[12:02] <thesaltydog> #469
[12:03] <crimsun> yep, see it. Stick around for a few minutes; I need to move wifi points.
[12:03] <thesaltydog> ipw2100?
[12:17] <crimsun> thesaltydog: ipw2200
[12:18] <thesaltydog> crimsun, is ipw2100 working now with kernel 2-6-12?
[12:18] <crimsun> thesaltydog: works fine in Breezy
[12:18] <crimsun> (so, yes)
[12:18] <thesaltydog> crimsun, not on my laptop... I had to reboot 2.6.10
[12:19] <crimsun> 1.0.6?
[12:19] <thesaltydog> what 1.0.6?
[12:20] <crimsun> of the ipw2x00 driver
[12:21] <thesaltydog> how can I get the version?
[12:22] <thesaltydog> 1.0.2
[12:22] <crimsun> you're on Hoary, no?
[12:22] <crimsun> try the Breezy Preview live cd
[12:22] <thesaltydog> I am on breezy, but I had to boot with 2.6.10 in order to have my wireless working..
[12:23] <crimsun> hmm, I haven't heard of 1.0.6 being broken for ipw2100
[12:23] <thesaltydog> With 2.6.12 I don't have eth0 detected.
[12:24] <bmonty> I had all kinds of problems with my wifi card until I upgraded to ipw2200 on a thinkpad T42
[12:24] <thesaltydog> It is working fine with kernel 2.6.10..
[12:26] <crimsun> bmonty: http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/breezy-changes/2005-September/011059.html
[12:26] <bmonty> crimsun: thanks
[12:26] <crimsun> np
[12:26] <bmonty> you got time for a couple more....just gotta make some debdiffs
[12:26] <crimsun> thesaltydog: ok, let me look at 469
[12:26] <crimsun> bmonty: sure, just point me at them and I'll get to them
[12:27] <thesaltydog> I'm going to reboot on 2.6.12 and see what happens..
[12:28] <bmonty> isn't that what people have been asking him to do?
[12:28] <crimsun> (yeah, pretty much)
[12:34] <bmonty> crimsun: kmatplot (https://www.montynet.org/ubuntu/debdiff/kmatplot_0.4-7ubuntu2.debdiff) and knet (https://www.montynet.org/ubuntu/debdiff/knet_0.6beta1-1ubuntu4.debdiff) are ready for upload
[12:37] <crimsun> [hmm, it'll be easier for me to sync sl-modem from Sid] 
[12:37] <crimsun> bmonty: k
[12:42] <thesaltydog> crimsun, I had a look at dmesg output
[12:47] <crimsun> thesaltydog: k
[12:52] <thesaltydog> [4294715.746000]  ipw2100: Detected Intel PRO/Wireless 2100 Network Connection
[12:52] <thesaltydog> [4294716.746000]  ipw2100: eth1: Firmware 'ipw2100-1.3.fw' not available or load failed.
[12:52] <thesaltydog> [4294716.746000]  ipw2100: eth1: ipw2100_get_firmware failed: -2
[12:52] <thesaltydog> [4294716.746000]  ipw2100: eth1: Failed to power on the adapter.
[12:52] <thesaltydog> [4294716.746000]  ipw2100: eth1: Failed to start the firmware.
[12:52] <thesaltydog> [4294716.746000]  ipw2100Error calling register_netdev.
[12:52] <thesaltydog> [4294716.746000]  ipw2100: probe of 0000:02:02.0 failed with error -5
[12:53] <thesaltydog> the driver version is 1.1.2
[12:56] <bmonty> thesaltydog: you sure the firmware file isn't in multiverse?
[12:56] <bmonty> or you have to download it yourself?
[12:57] <crimsun> thesaltydog: there is no ipw2100-1.3.fw
[12:57] <thesaltydog> the file is in /lib/hotplug/firmware !! It is on the pc
[12:57] <crimsun> I see: /lib/hotplug/firmware/ipw2100-1.3.fw-2.6.12-8-686
[12:57] <thesaltydog> yes
[12:58] <crimsun> ipw2100-1.3.fw != ipw2100-1.3.fw-2.6.12-8-686
[12:58] <thesaltydog> crimsun, ok, that's true..
[12:59] <crimsun> thesaltydog: I'm looking a sl-modem 2.9.10
[12:59] <crimsun> s/a/at/
[12:59] <thesaltydog> crimsun, what to do ? rename the file?
[12:59] <thesaltydog> crimsun, ok, thanks
[12:59] <bddebian> crimsun: I asked elmo to sync sl-modem from Debian
[12:59] <crimsun> thesaltydog: first check if there's a bug filed on linux for ipw2100
[01:00] <thesaltydog> no bugs on ubuntu bugzilla
[01:00] <crimsun> bddebian: we'd better shove 2.9.10 in there for more fixes
[01:01] <crimsun> bddebian: I'll need to set up pbuilder on my laptop, since the build obviously fails on amd64
[01:01] <bmonty> crimsun: what package, I'll build it on mine
[01:02] <bddebian> crimsun: Where is 2.9.10, upstream?
[01:03] <bmonty> debian is 2.9.9d-6
[01:03] <bddebian> I know, I asked for the sync :-)
[01:03] <crimsun> bmonty: http://sh.nu/~crimsun/sl-modem/
[01:04] <crimsun> bddebian: yes
[01:04] <bddebian> ajmitch: You up yet?
[01:04] <bmonty> k, I'll grab it and let you know what happends
[01:04] <crimsun> bmonty: thanks.
[01:05] <crimsun> thesaltydog: it'd be filed against the 'linux' package
[01:06] <bddebian> crimsun: You gonna build lrm into it?
[01:07] <crimsun> bddebian: err? it goes into multiverse
[01:08] <bmonty> crimsun: sl-modem built no problem, you need me to test the install?
[01:08] <bddebian> crimsun: I think there was a wishlist bug on Malone about it.  I know hunger was asking asking in #u-d about it yesterday
[01:10] <crimsun> bmonty: yes please
[01:11] <crimsun> bddebian: hmm, meaning build sl-modem's binary fu into l-r-m?
[01:12] <crimsun> (can't find the malone bug for it)
[01:12] <crimsun> bddebian: if so, I'm fairly certain it's not even a remote possibility for breezy, but maybe breezy+1...
[01:12] <bddebian> Well don't quote me, I might be on crack about Malone.  I do know that hunger was asking yesterday.
[01:12] <bddebian> No worries, just mentioning it
[01:13] <BurgLaptop> crimsun, there is a bugzilla bug for it and it has been deferred to breezy+1
[01:13] <Mez> BurgLaptop, you mean dapper?
[01:14] <BurgLaptop> Mez, I believe that is the name, but I cannot comment on it
[01:14] <Mez> :P
[01:14] <Mez> Burg - why not ?
[01:14] <Mez>  :P
[01:14] <bmonty> crimsun: did install and remove for both sl-modem packages, no problems
[01:14] <BurgLaptop> Mez, not officially announced yet?
[01:14] <Mez> I'm just trying to work out whether it be dingo, dolphin, or donkey :D
[01:14] <Mez> lol
[01:14] <bddebian> crimsun: Did you already sync vlc?
[01:14] <Mez> BurgLaptop, not officially - but things are being tagged as "dapper" in bugzilla
[01:15] <BurgLaptop> Mez, ya, and there has been a few loose tongues
[01:15] <Mez> :P
[01:15] <Mez> I just wanna know the animal
[01:16] <bddebian> Mez: btw, I had elmo bring over libdebtags1 1.4 from experimental and it's sitting in NEW, then you should be able to build debtags-edit.  Although I seem to recall a version issue.
[01:17] <crimsun> bddebian: I can't, it needs to be merged because it ftbfs on amd64 and ppc.
[01:17] <crimsun> bddebian: I'm working on the merge on amd64.
[01:17] <Mez> bddebian, er.... cool
[01:18] <crimsun> BurgLaptop: ah, thanks
[01:18] <bddebian> crimsun: Ah, OK
[01:18] <Mez> bddebian, er - you should speak to tollef for access to ravel
[01:26] <crimsun> back tonight.
[01:27] <bddebian> Mez: I dunno if I trust myself on other's machines :-)
[01:27] <Mez> bddebian, It's gonna be restricted so you cant break it
[01:34] <bddebian> Is closing a bug on Malone reason enough to sync/merge a package from Debian?
[01:43] <LaserJock> Hi all!
[01:44] <bddebian> Heya LaserJock
[01:44] <bmonty> hi LaserJock
[01:44] <bmonty> bddebian: can you upload the two packages under my rebuild list in the wiki please?
[01:45] <bddebian> bmonty: I did knet earlier.  Are these new ones?
[01:45] <LaserJock> I got an email from the Debian maintainer of ghemical today. He made Debian unstable and Breezy packages for ghemical-1.9
[01:46] <bmonty> bddebian: yeah kmatplot and kbedic
[01:46] <bmonty> and thanks for the upload of knet
[01:46] <bddebian> I just uploaded kmatplot the other day
[01:46] <LaserJock> including the libghemical packages, which will fix the unmet deps for ghemical.
[01:46] <bmonty> oh well, it was still in the list
[01:47] <bmonty> LaserJock: cool
[01:47] <bddebian> LaserJock: Cool
[01:47] <bmonty> almost done with all the k's :)
[01:49] <LaserJock> would someone mind testing the Breezy packages for ghemical, I won't have access to my Breezy machine until Monday?
[01:49] <bmonty> LaserJock: I can if you want, send me the debdiff
[01:49] <bmonty> bmontgom@montynet.org
[01:50] <bddebian> bmonty: kbedic is just a rebuild?
[01:50] <bmonty> bddebian: yes
[01:50] <LaserJock> well, hmm, I he gave me a repo to use. would that work? I haven't made and debdiffs yet.
[01:51] <bmonty> LaserJock: yeah, forward me the email
[01:52] <LaserJock> bmonty: done
[01:53] <bmonty> bddebian: now that ghc6 is fixed, is it safe to work on other packages that use haskell?
[01:53] <bddebian> bmonty: Should be
[01:53] <slomo> bmonty: probably... test if they work :)
[01:53] <bmonty> LaserJock: I'll let you know how it works out
[01:53] <LaserJock> what about ghc5?
[01:53] <bddebian> bmonty: I have built a couple already.
[01:53] <bddebian> No, I don't think ghc5 is up
[01:55] <LaserJock> I have been working through some of the unmet deps and alex and c2hs should be fixed with ghc5
[01:56] <bddebian> alex is screwed
[01:56] <LaserJock> but bnfc should be good with ghc6
[01:57] <LaserJock> bddebian: All I know is that I have been trying to do rebuilds with pbuilder and alex had a problem with ghc5. Beyond that I haven't a clue ;-)
[01:57] <bddebian> LaserJock: I pulled newer alex from Debian and it's a little better but still has problems.  I posted the Debian bugs on UnmetDeps
[01:58] <bddebian> bmonty: kbedic is up
[01:58] <bddebian> bmonty: Oh and I did kmatplot as part of GL/GLU transitions, that's why I missed updating the UnmetDeps page, sorry
[01:59] <bddebian> LaserJock: And in case you haven't already tried them, babytrans and bayonne are messed up too
[01:59] <LaserJock> been there, done that ;-)
[01:59] <bmonty> bddebian: you sure?  I fixed a depend on kdelibs.
[02:00] <LaserJock> i've just been going through the Nobody list with pbuilder and making a list of what worked and where other's have borked
[02:01] <bmonty> bddebian: actually, nevermind....
[02:01] <LaserJock> I don't know if it is helpful, but I am learning more about packaging doing it
[02:01] <bddebian> LaserJock: Are you updating the wiki?
[02:01] <LaserJock> well, I have been updating the wiki with the ones that worked
[02:01] <LaserJock> I make sure that they build and install ok
[02:03] <LaserJock> bddebian: why didn't bayonne work for you. I got a dependecy on libcapi20-2 but we have libcapi20-3
[02:03] <bddebian> Fix that and try it again ;-P
[02:03] <LaserJock> wouldn't that be simple to fix? or is that too simplistic?
[02:04] <bddebian> Try it, it will be a good learning exercise. :-)
[02:04] <LaserJock> ok, question time:-) If i change something in the rules file or something and then run pbuilder again will the changes be built or do I have to do more?
[02:05] <bmonty> LaserJock: you have to rebuild the source package
[02:05] <bmonty> dpkg-buildpackage -S -rfakeroot
[02:05] <LaserJock> bmonty: and then run pbuilder?
[02:06] <bmonty> LaserJock: yes, if you change the version you will get a new source package that you use pbuilder to build
[02:06] <bmonty> I run debchange before dpkg-buildpackage
[02:07] <LaserJock> ok, so I see a lot of mentions of gpg keys and such in the maintainer documentation but if I'm just fooling around trying to see if things work do I need to worry about those things?
[02:09] <bmonty> LaserJock: no
[02:09] <LaserJock> for instance, do I need to put stuff in the changelog if I'm really not going to be the person who is going to be the Ubuntu maintainer
[02:11] <bmonty> you can't change the package version without updating the changelog
[02:11] <LaserJock> but, should I be changing the package version? or is that just for pbuilder
[02:12] <Lathiat> LaserJock: making a changelog entry is a standard part of updating/changing a package, it in no way means you are the designated maintainer
[02:12] <Lathiat> (that fact is less true in debian than ubuntu)
[02:14] <LaserJock> ok, thanks guys. I gotta go now but I will try work on some of the UniverseUnmetDeps and update the wiki with what I get
[02:15] <LaserJock> thanks, for all info and putting up with my newbie questions
[02:16] <bmonty> cya LaserJock
[02:18] <ajmitch> bddebian: yes I am up, why do you keep asking every couple of hours?
[02:18] <bddebian> ajmitch: Because I miss you honey
[02:24] <bmonty> bddebian: thanks again for your help....I'll be back in a while
[02:24] <bddebian> NP bmonty, thank you
[02:25] <ajmitch> bddebian: yeah, sure
[02:26] <bddebian> ajmitch: You don't believe me?
[02:26] <ajmitch> nope
[02:26] <bddebian> ajmitch: Why?
[02:26] <bddebian> ajmitch: One thing was that I asked for a sync of oregano which was assigned to you on bugzilla, I hope you don't mind??
[02:27] <ajmitch> because I know you just want me to answer a qustion or upload something :)
[02:27] <ajmitch> and you dropped the ubuntu changes?
[02:47] <bddebian> ajmitch: Straight sync, why is that bad?
[02:48] <ajmitch> bddebian: I'm just asking if you looked at the changes before you dropped them
[02:49] <bddebian> ajmitch: Yes
[02:56] <bddebian> Gotta run for a bit, bbl
[02:56] <slomo_> hf :)
[03:18] <hypatia> Hi everyone.
[03:18] <hypatia> I'm after a build of python-nevow based on Nevow 0.4 rather than 0.3 in universe
[03:19] <hypatia> I'm willing to at least attempt to build it myself and to pass it onto you guys
[03:19] <hypatia> who should I talk to?
[03:19] <hypatia> (there's 0.4.1 in debian too, should I base it on that?)
[03:20] <ajmitch> if there's 0.4.1 in debian, we can just sync it from there if it needs no changes
[03:20] <hypatia> I don't know if it does.
[03:20] <hypatia> It would need to have a 2.4 version built at least
[03:21] <ajmitch> 0.4 has a python 2.4 version now
[03:21] <hypatia> ah, I didn't see it.
[03:21] <hypatia> I just tried to install python-nevow from Debian, and it wanted python2.3-nevow
[03:21] <hypatia> I'll install it now and evaluate if it needs changes
[03:22] <ajmitch> right, it just needs the default python version changed to 2.4
[03:23] <ajmitch> so we can skip the sync & upload the fixed version
[03:23] <hypatia> ajmitch: yeah I just installed Debian's one and it works fine with my nevow application
[03:23] <ajmitch> yep
[03:23] <ajmitch> python-nevow still wants python 2.3 though, which we'll have to change
[03:24] <hypatia> should I lodge a request somewhere?
[03:24] <ajmitch> I can do it now, it'll only take a minute
[03:24] <hypatia> thanks a lot
[03:24] <hypatia> (nevow 0.3 doesn't work so amazingly well with twisted 2.0.1)
[03:28] <slomo> ok, gn8 everybody :)
[03:28] <ajmitch> night slomo
[03:29] <ajmitch> well nevow didn't build cleanly in pbuilder
[03:29] <ajmitch> so more fixes to look at :)
[03:30] <hypatia> :(
[03:31] <ajmitch> the debian package looks a bit odd, not having an .orig.tar.gz
[03:33] <ajmitch> ok, might have been something I did, as it worked this time
[03:37] <ajmitch> hypatia: uploaded
[03:40] <hypatia> thanks very much
[04:08] <ajmitch> hypatia: ok, upload rejected, I'm not in the main uploaders keyring yet
[04:15] <hypatia> ajmitch: ouch. are you meant to be?
[04:16] <ajmitch> yeah, I was approved last week
[04:16] <ajmitch> I really should have checked this
[04:17] <ajmitch> hypatia: how important is it that you get 0.4 in? :)
[04:18] <hypatia> reasonably.
[04:18] <ajmitch> hm
[04:18] <hypatia> at least, by release
[04:18] <ajmitch> we'll have to ask mdz for a freeze exception
[04:18] <ajmitch> since it's main
[04:18] <hypatia> oh I didn't realise that.
[04:18] <ajmitch> I can't just put it in without approval from him
[04:18] <ajmitch> if it were in universe, I could
[04:19] <hypatia> the justificiation would be something like "nevow 0.3 uses the Twisted 1.3 style component architecture, and while technically compatible with Twisted 2.0.1, requires application developers to do a lot of compatibility wrapping"
[04:21] <bmonty> ajmitch: can you do an upload for me please?
[04:22] <Lathiat> * ajmitch is now known as upload-bitch
[04:22] <bmonty> lol
[04:22] <bmonty> https://www.montynet.org/ubuntu/debdiff/kaptain_0.71-1.1ubuntu1.debdiff
[04:23] <bmonty> I'll give the courtesy reach-around if requested :-P
[04:33] <ajmitch> bmonty: I'll do the upload & pass on the other, thanks :P
[04:33] <tseng> tough love
[04:35] <bmonty> ajmitch: thanks :)
[04:35] <ajmitch> sigh, why https?
[04:36] <ajmitch> mm, messy config.* stuff in debdiff
[04:36] <bmonty> http will work also
[04:36] <bmonty> ajmitch: I know, I tried to get rid of it, but the rules file is copying them in
[04:37] <ajmitch> didn't mention added build-dep in changelog..
[04:37] <bmonty> part of the patch
[04:37] <ajmitch> it's sometimes nice to see the changes in the changelog rather than having to go to the debian BTS
[04:38] <bmonty> I'll change it real quick
[04:41] <bmonty> new debdiff at the same URL
[04:41] <ajmitch> ok
[04:50] <bddebian> So what have I missed?:-)
[04:50] <ajmitch> bddebian: nothing
[04:50] <bddebian> I see you're the upload bitch now ;-P
[04:50] <ajmitch> bddebian: I've always been your upload bitch :P
[04:50] <ajmitch> at least that's how I've been treated ;)
[04:50] <bddebian> Heh
[04:51] <bddebian> Ohh come on.  I was gonna send you a laptop for your troubles :-)
[04:51] <ajmitch> sure
[04:51] <ajmitch> instead canonical had to do so ;)
[04:52] <bddebian> Shit kmymoney2 0.8 needs a newer kdelibs4-dev :-(
[04:52] <bddebian> ajmitch: I'm sure you got the better end of that deal :-)
[04:52] <ajmitch> bddebian: probably
[04:55] <ajmitch> joy, failed to grab build-deps in pbuilder
[04:55] <ajmitch> that's got to be good
[04:58] <bmonty> it built fine in my pbuilder
[04:58] <bddebian> bmonty: ajmitch has a "special" pbuilder. ;-P
[05:00] <bddebian> Heya tritium
[05:00] <tritium> Hi bddebian
[05:01] <ajmitch> bmonty: I have to do pbuilder update, since I haven't done it for a couple of days at least
[05:03] <jblack> kj/win 11
[05:03] <tseng> jblack: alt+q :)
[05:04] <ajmitch> afternoon jblack
[05:04] <tseng> yes, greetings
[05:05] <bddebian> Damn I hate packages that depend on themselves
[05:05] <ajmitch> bddebian: but they're fun
[05:06] <ajmitch> looks like bmonty & bddebian have been hitting the unmet deps crackpipe hard
[05:06] <ajmitch> bmonty: when are you going before the TB for MOTU?
[05:06] <bddebian> ajmitch: :-)
[05:06] <tseng> ajmitch: unmet deps are teh suck
[05:06] <bmonty> ajmitch: no clue
[05:06] <tseng> ajmitch: pretty embarrasing stuff
[05:06] <ajmitch> bmonty: do it asap pls kthx
[05:08] <bddebian> tseng: Why is it embarrasing?
[05:08] <tseng> bddebian: if we were to release with all this stuff totally uninstallable?
[05:08] <tseng> bddebian: yay for fixing it.
[05:08] <bddebian> tseng: Oh, agreed
[05:09] <bddebian> Can any of you think of a problem build-depping libjpeg62-dev for steghide to close two Malone bugs?
[05:09] <tseng> if they are both in universe
[05:09] <tseng> no.
[05:10] <ajmitch> bddebian: why would it be a problem?
[05:10] <ajmitch> tseng: libjpeg62-dev is in main
[05:10] <tseng> thats fine too
[05:10] <bddebian> ajmitch: I don't know, I'm stupid remember :-)
[05:10] <ajmitch> bddebian: oh shut up :P
[05:11] <bddebian> How about an update to gnustep-gui-common?  Not a lot of rdepends but there are a couple of packages already built with the existing version?
[05:12] <ajmitch> then upload rebuilds of those packages
[05:12] <bddebian> I just want to be safe :-)
[05:14] <bddebian> Oh, what a fscking surprise, steghide ftbfss
[05:14] <bddebian> Jesus, does anything in the archive actually build?? ;-P
[05:14] <ajmitch> no
[05:14] <ajmitch> it's all a conspiracy to annoy you
[05:14] <bddebian> That's what I thought :-)
[05:21] <ajmitch> bddebian: umm
[09:15] <ivoks> kme
[09:21] <pef> ivoks: hello
[09:21] <ivoks> morning
[09:22] <pef> ivoks: have you some time to help me ?
[09:28] <Unfrgiven> hi all
[09:30] <ivoks> pef: sure
[09:31] <pef> ivoks: can you try to build poker3d using this debdiff in pbuilder http://dev.erodia.net/ubuntu/MOTUGLUTransition/poker3d_0.2.12-1ubuntu3.debdiff ? nafallo gets errors, and I can't reproduce them
[09:33] <ivoks> pef: where's naffalo? :)
[09:34] <pef> ivoks: sleeping ? (This doesn't build for me, can't find poker-eval. 2005-09-09) on wikipage
[09:34] <ivoks> pef: this will take a while
[09:35] <ivoks> since i'm on a slow adsl
[09:35] <pef> no pb
[09:36] <ajmitch> evening
[09:37] <ivoks> ajmitch: hi
[09:39] <Unfrgiven> ajmitch: hey how u goin
[09:41] <ajmitch> good, how are you?
[09:41] <ajmitch> good to see you round, Unfrgiven
[09:41] <Unfrgiven> good good. its good to be around once again :)
[09:43] <ajmitch> yeah, so shall we be seeing some uploads from you soon? :)
[09:44] <Unfrgiven> im hoping so. im trying to finish of the intro dev docs first thing
[09:44] <Unfrgiven> and doing laptop testing simultaneously....
[09:45] <ajmitch> yeah
[09:45] <ajmitch> not much for me to test :)
[09:45] <Unfrgiven> ajmitch: everything worked?
[09:46] <ajmitch> yeah, and not many features
[09:46] <Unfrgiven> ajmitch: suspend doesnt seem to work on the XPS, but works fine on the Inspiron
[09:46] <Unfrgiven> i find that odd....
[09:46] <Unfrgiven> yeah i was hoping that the laptop would include bluetooth support so i could test out breezy's bluetooth support with my phone...
[09:46] <ajmitch> so was I
[09:47] <ajmitch> flatmate had a usb dongle tho
[09:47] <ivoks> pef: error
[09:47] <ajmitch> which I've misplaced since
[09:47] <ivoks> pef: error in configure!
[09:47] <pef> ivoks: about profiling code ?
[09:48] <ivoks> configure: error: lacking proper OpenGL support
[09:48] <ivoks> why didn't it install missing deps? khm...
[09:50] <ajmitch> Unfrgiven: going to be online next weekend?
[09:50] <Unfrgiven> ajmitch: not sure, what time?
[09:51] <ajmitch> Unfrgiven: we're having a bug 'day', all timezones on saturday
[09:51] <ajmitch> so effectively all saturday & sunday we need people to cover #ubuntu-bugs
[09:51] <ajmitch> if possible
[09:52] <ajmitch> and I'd rather do that than listen to NZ election crap ;)
[09:52] <Unfrgiven> it will be tough saturday but i can try and be online in the morning... my in laws are coming in this week and on sat i've got a friend's wedding. but ill try in the morning
[09:52] <ajmitch> great
[09:52] <ajmitch> I've still got to send out the announcement to the lists
[09:56] <pef> ivoks: checking activation of profile code... ./configure: line 21402: : command not found  this error ?
[09:56] <ivoks> pef: wait a sec...
[09:58] <ivoks> pef: i get that too
[09:58] <ivoks> pef: but also this one:
[09:58] <ivoks> configure: error: lacking proper OpenGL support
[10:01] <ivoks> time to go...
[10:18] <ivoks> it's a bug day?
[10:18] <pef> http://www.alvasoft.net/blog/pics/2005_09/09b.jpg what can you do to save yourself ? :] 
[10:19] <spacey> pef, blow out the candle
[10:19] <ivoks> :)
[10:19] <pef> spacey: you are too far from the candle
[10:20] <ivoks> pef: i don't think so :)
[10:20] <spacey> hope that rope won't start burning :)
[10:21] <pef> solution http://www.alvasoft.net/blog/pics/2005_09/09c.jpg
[10:21] <pef> :] 
[10:21] <spacey> haha :)
[10:21] <ivoks> lol
[10:21] <spacey> omg i have to blog this :P
[10:24] <ivoks> do you know any page that has some fancy sms templates?
[10:33] <spacey> sms?
[11:43] <ajmitch> morning \sh, koke
[11:52] <\sh> ajmitch: morning
[11:55] <ivoks> hi
[11:56] <\sh> i need wlan at home...this is absolutley nice to lay in bed and using the laptop from bed ;)
[11:56] <ogra> \sh, want a coffee in bed ?
[11:56] <ivoks> \sh: :)
[11:56] <\sh> ogra: wow...i didn't hear u .. no just getting up
[11:56] <ivoks> \sh: i agree, since i have wlan
[11:57] <\sh> ogra: will join u in a minute :)
[11:57] <ogra> ok, cup of coffee is ready here :)
[11:57] <\sh> .oO(thought ogra + suse are still sleeping)
[11:58] <ogra> suse is ;)
[11:58] <\sh> hehe
[11:59] <\sh> k coming
[12:01] <\sh> ogra thx for the coffee :)
[12:05] <ajmitch> hey ogra
[12:05] <ogra> hey ajmitch
[12:10] <\sh> ajmitch: let say it like this...i had luck ,)
[12:10] <ajmitch> yeah
[12:17] <\sh> hu mitsuhiko
[12:17] <mitsuhiko> \sh: moin :)
[12:22] <ivoks> argh... is there anything better then ldap? :/
[12:23] <pkern_> Could I just sign up for REVU by sending my GPG key id to the maintainer to get started with MOTU?
[12:24] <ivoks> revu is just a tool...
[12:24] <ivoks> non-motu people can upload there...
[12:25] <pkern_> ivoks: Yep, and in the end a valid MOTU might upload it to the distribution?
[12:25] <ivoks> yes
[12:25] <pkern_> Just like mentors.d.n?
[12:25] <pkern_> So it should be a good place to get started?
[12:25] <ivoks> yes
[12:27] <ivoks> lol
[12:27] <ivoks> http://mentors.debian.net/ - powered by Ubuntu
[12:29] <ogra> ivoks, chrisH was working with ubuntu since warty... he wanted to lead MOTU back then, but had not enough time left to do both (MOTU and mentors) so he stepped back
[12:29] <\sh> ivoks: this is old
[12:29] <ivoks> ogra: ah, ok
[12:30] <\sh> ivoks: they discussed it on d-d
[12:30] <ivoks> i bet there was seriuos flaming :/
[12:30] <pkern_> \sh: But the discussion itself was a bit ridiculous and they didn't really hit the right point.
[12:34] <ajmitch> d-d is just serious flaming ;)
[12:35] <\sh> pkern_: the discussion was absolutley not nescessary
[12:35] <pkern_> \sh: Yep.
[12:35] <\sh> it was unprofessional and childish
[12:35] <ajmitch> \sh: of course
[12:35] <ogra> \sh, hey, thats debian :)
[12:35] <ajmitch> *if* it were a debian.org box rather than debian.net, they might have a case
[12:35] <ajmitch> ogra: pff
[12:35] <ajmitch> you know not all DDs are like that
[12:36] <\sh> ogra: thats why i'm reading d-d only when i have time...so 740 unread mails now ,)
[12:36] <ogra> ajmitch, i know...
[12:36] <ogra> heh
[12:36] <ajmitch> \sh: only 740?
[12:36] <ajmitch> impressive
[12:37] <\sh> ajmitch: well sometimes i do also a mark all as read
[12:37] <ajmitch> it's the best way sometimes
[12:51] <pkern_> ogra: Please stop the "hey, that's Debian", that's equally childish.
[12:52] <ogra> pkern, i'm joking, sorry if you misunderstood
[12:52] <ajmitch> I think most of the ubuntu developers are DDs
[12:52] <ajmitch> though that balance is probably shifting as more MOTUs join
[12:52] <pkern> MOTUs are the main reason why we had to create Utnubu...
[12:53] <\sh> pkern: hmmm?
[12:53] <pkern> \sh: http://utnubu.alioth.debian.org/
[12:53] <ogra> pkern, if you are in utnubu you will probably know that i was the first MOTU who joined :)
[12:54] <ajmitch> pkern: various groups of packages have very good cooperation between debian & ubuntu
[12:54] <\sh> pkern: i know what utnubu is :) but why it was because of the MOTUs?
[12:54] <ajmitch> mono is a good example of this
[12:54] <pkern> ajmitch: Yep and that's nice.
[12:54] <\sh> pkern: with many maintainers of debian i have a good realtionship and they're incorporating the patches when they are useful for them or if they need some
[12:55] <pkern> \sh: Because it seems that many just feeded the new packages into Ubuntu, and Debian lacks them instead of the other way 'round and syncing it back.
[12:55] <ajmitch> pkern: I think it's because of the easier procedures we have here
[12:55] <pkern> For at least the quarter of the list of packages not in Debian but in Ubuntu universe, WNPP bugs were filed.
[12:55] <ajmitch> having a group of people together who can upload & will sponsor gladly
[12:55] <ogra> pkern, debian is free to grab them, it always was, all our stuff is public
[12:56] <pkern> ogra: Yep, and you know that this is what utnubu is about.
[12:56] <ogra> pkern, but if we want something in ubuntu, we'll package it
[12:56] <ajmitch> pkern: we encouraged everyone who got packages into ubuntu to file RFP bugs (or ITP)
[12:56] <ajmitch> not everyone did, obviously :)
[12:57] <\sh> ajmitch: for me it has a reason
[12:57] <ogra> pkern, its just that most of the time the debian processes are to slow for our development cycle.... so its up to debian to care themselves... i'm happy that utnubu formed themselves (even if i dont like the name)
[12:57] <\sh> ajmitch: 1. i don't want to produce more bts corpse
[12:58] <\sh> ajmitch: 2. i don't have the time to discuss why and if it should hit debian...
[12:58] <pkern> ajmitch: 251 packages not filed, ~45 packages filed. ;)
[12:58] <pkern> ajmitch: The latter is the WNPP bug statistic, not the "Ubuntu MOTU did file bugs" one. ;)
[12:58] <ogra> i dont see it as our job to file ITPs
[12:58] <\sh> ajmitch: and yes I know...this is arrogant ;)
[12:58] <ajmitch> pkern: I know
[12:59] <pkern> ogra: ajmitch said that you would encourage it.
[12:59] <\sh> pkern: we have different oppinions on it...
[01:00] <pkern> ajmitch: Oh ok (=
[01:00] <\sh> pkern: and the middleway was: if you want to file itp/rfp , then do it...if not..utnubu...dholbach is announcing many packages to utnubu ml
[01:00] <ajmitch> pkern: I also made a list of packages that may have needed bugs filed
[01:01] <ajmitch> some apps like banshee we have in ubuntu, but not debian
[01:01] <ajmitch> but the packaging is on svn.debian.org
[01:02] <ogra> pkern, we have enough work (caring with 30 ppl for 16000 pkgs), we offer all our stuff public, imho its our job to care for our packages but its not our job to care for debian to get them in... i always wanted a team like utnubu to care for the debian side
[01:02] <ogra> so its great to have it :)
[01:03] <pkern> \sh: I am mainly about the "Ubuntu will feed back" thing. I personally like Ubuntu, it's a great distribution. It's just that there is a lot of antipathy within Debian against Ubuntu because Canonical hired DDs who might now neglect their Debian duties. ;)
[01:03] <ajmitch> pkern: and some of us who weren't hired now do more in debian than before ;)
[01:04] <pkern> ajmitch: :D
[01:05] <\sh> pkern: actually I really don't care who is hired by whom and why...I heard a lot of FUD from other distros against Ubuntu and Canonical and mixing the two together...
[01:05] <ajmitch> mako pointed out some of the problems well in his talk on paying volunteers & free software
[01:05] <\sh> pkern: so i can't understand that childish behaviour sometimes...I'll work most of the time with upstream and debian upstream if there is the need to do that...
[01:07] <\sh> pkern: i'll send important patches even to gentoo bugzilla and redhat...because this is where i was coming from...so I, for my person, am really in this "Support OpenSource" and not "hey, this guy who flew to space is giving away laptops and sponsorings bla..he is hiring developers from other distris"...
[01:08] <ajmitch> although meeting mark is good :)
[01:08] <\sh> pkern: and this is most of the time the criticism
[01:08] <\sh> pkern: not that we're doing bad work or good work...they see only the money around...not the work people are doing in ubuntu..
[01:09] <\sh> and we have a damn good rocking team here at MOTU i must say..u will see
[01:10] <\sh> and this is now enough for the sunday about this issue ;)
[01:10] <ajmitch> hehe
[01:10] <ogra> :)
[01:11] <ajmitch> pkern: we're not trying to irritate debian, of course :)
[01:14] <Mez> lmao @ the "scottish" folder
[01:15] <ajmitch> Mez: ?
[01:15] <Mez> http://utnubu.alioth.debian.org/
[01:15] <Mez> the folder called scottish
[01:15] <Mez> aka mom
[01:15] <ajmitch> ah
[01:15] <ajmitch> yeah :)
[01:15] <ogra> i'm always wondering why this issue doesnt come up with linspire or xandros
[01:15] <ajmitch> ogra: because they separate themselves enough from debian
[01:16] <ajmitch> and don't claim to be working to send stuff back
[01:16] <ogra> nobody moaned at linspire that nvu wasnt available in debian ... they just packaged it after we had it in...
[01:16] <ajmitch> linspire & xandros are opaque enough
[01:16] <ajmitch> and don't run with any community structure
[01:17] <\sh> and what about progeny?
[01:17] <ogra> lol
[01:17] <ajmitch> \sh: well ian murdock claims binary compatibility with debian :)
[01:18] <ogra> espeacially for anaconda *g*
[01:18] <\sh> ogra: anaconda is redhat ,)
[01:18] <ajmitch> \sh: which progeny ported for debian
[01:19] <ogra> which was their only big move...
[01:19] <ogra> :)
[01:19] <ajmitch> nah, componentized linux is bigger
[01:19] <ajmitch> there is potential for big stuff there
[01:20] <ogra> does anyone use it yet ?
[01:20] <ajmitch> no idea
[01:20] <ajmitch> I haven't heard :)
[01:20] <ogra> me neither :)
[01:20] <ajmitch> which is where this can turn to :P
[01:20] <ajmitch> sunday night here
[01:20] <ogra> i think userlinux once wanted to... but looking at their packages they failed...
[01:21] <ajmitch> and I've still got to email out the MOTU meeting minutes & the bug day announcement
[01:21] <Mez> to be quite honest, the way I see it.... is... http://patches.ubuntu.com/patches/
[01:21] <ajmitch> Mez: is broken
[01:21] <ajmitch> producing bad patches at the moment
[01:21] <ajmitch> see topic in #u-d
[01:21] <ogra> ajmitch, not our fault...
[01:21] <ajmitch> ogra: no, blame keybuk :)
[01:21] <Mez> ajmitch, hasnt had any pathces for a while... but ... I thin it should be updated etc etc to use MOM properly
[01:21] <ogra> ajmitch, nope, blame debian
[01:22] <ajmitch> ogra: how so?
[01:22] <ogra> ajmitch, the debian side is broken
[01:22] <ogra> ajmitch, they lost a HD on the server and have no backup apparently
[01:22] <ajmitch> which server?
[01:22] <ajmitch> snapshot.debian.net?
[01:22] <ogra> the one MOM merges the debian side from... no idea about the name
[01:23] <ogra> might be snapshot
[01:23] <ajmitch> it'd have to be, since there's no other debian archive that keeps a historical record of so many packages
[01:23] <ajmitch> I don't think morgue.ubuntu.com comes close for us
[01:23] <ogra> its broken as well... (or does it run again, i havent looked)
[01:24] <Unfrgiven> howdy all
[01:24] <ajmitch> broken last I heard
[01:24] <ajmitch> hey
[01:24] <ogra> hi Unfrgiven
[01:24] <\sh> Unfrgiven: long time no see ;)
[01:24] <Unfrgiven> ogra: ajmitch: hi :)
[01:24] <ajmitch> ogra: I realised that the bug day we planned can't just be a Malone Bug Love Day like I suggested :)
[01:24] <Mez> thing is though - if Ubuntu can do MOm merges from debain
[01:24] <Unfrgiven> \sh: hey dude! yeah its been quite a while
[01:24] <Mez> cant debian do the same from us?
[01:24] <ajmitch> ogra: unless we limit it to bug triage & fixups
[01:24] <ogra> ajmitch, nope, it should contain both
[01:25] <ajmitch> ogra: so we need to rally the troops for this coming weekend
[01:25] <Unfrgiven> \sh: lifes been VERY busy. im trying to get some time for ubuntu again... :)
[01:25] <\sh> Unfrgiven: i know i know...happens to me for some time as well
[01:26] <Unfrgiven> \sh: so how you been?
[01:28] <\sh> Unfrgiven: ok for a time...some things changed again...but regarding ubuntu..everything is quite normal :)
[01:30] <ajmitch> some of us are as lazy as ever with ubuntu ;)
[01:31] <\sh> ajmitch: bddebian is compensating and slomo as well ,-)
[01:31] <ajmitch> yeah
[01:31] <ajmitch> and bmonty
[01:31] <ajmitch> so I can slack off as I do
[01:32] <\sh> ajmitch: no ,)
[01:32] <Unfrgiven> ive been the very definition of slack the last two months with regards to ubuntu
[01:32] <ajmitch> \sh: trust me, you wouldn't notice the difference ;)
[01:34] <ajmitch> I don't think I've even uploaded anything today
[01:34] <ajmitch> hm, I may have done 1 or 2 for bmonty
[01:34] <\sh> ah come on...
[01:35] <\sh> wow...fred is very funny...yesterday he barked at me..and now he's following me
[01:35] <ajmitch> fred?
[01:35] <\sh> ogras and suses dog :)
[01:35] <ajmitch> aha
[01:39] <ajmitch> once I find the power cord :)
[01:44] <ajmitch> mm, laptops are very useful kitchen appliances ;_
[02:07] <ivoks> grrr
[02:07] <ivoks> Mithrandir: ping
[02:07] <ivoks> Nafallo: ping
[02:08] <ivoks> :/
[02:12] <j^> \sh do you know if someone is looking into makeing gajim work better with suspend/changing networks
[02:13] <j^> right now i get an error dialog that the connection is lost
[02:18] <ajmitch> ok, meeting minutes finally polished up for sending to mailing list :)
[02:18] <ajmitch> sorry to all for the delay
[03:22] <herzi> jbailey: ping
[03:23] <jbailey> herzi: Pong, but I'm oonly here for 2mins.
[03:23] <ajmitch> hi jeff, herzi
[03:24] <jbailey> g'm Andrew
[03:24] <herzi> jbailey: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1287758&group_id=53614&atid=470969 << this is a better patch
[03:25] <herzi> as it solves the problem the way it should be
[03:26] <jbailey> herzi: I do't understand the patch.  You're replacing a function pointer with a symbolic constant that just has the function pointer in it?
[03:26] <jbailey> Oh
[03:26] <jbailey> I see
[03:26] <jbailey> I shouldn't read patches when I've just woken up.
[03:26] <jbailey> Cool, I'll apply this when I get back from church.
[03:27] <jbailey> herzi: Thanks for following up!
[03:28] <jbailey> herzi: BTW, Does this represent an ABI break in the Gnome libraries that should be reported to them?
[03:28] <jbailey> My understanding was that these libraries were supposed to be ABI compatible.
[03:29] <herzi> jbailey: no
[03:29] <herzi> this is "not following naming conventions"
[03:30] <herzi> as ruby/gnomecanvas registered a type with a name that belongs into the gnomecanvas namespace
[03:30] <jbailey> Ah, okay.
[03:30] <jbailey> So they just collided.
[03:30] <herzi> yes, that's what happened
[03:30] <herzi> and that's why renaming worked too
[03:30] <jbailey> Right, that makes sense,
[03:31] <jbailey> Lovely, thank you again for this!
[03:31] <herzi> np
[03:32] <tseng> ogra: your mediawiki packages rock
[03:32] <tseng> ogra: its so easy
[03:35] <slomo> Mez: you said you sent patches for bittorrent to infinity? it is still broken :(
[03:36] <Mez> yes
[03:36] <Mez> I sent them aaaages ago
[03:36] <Mez> It's just a rebuild but it's in main
[03:36] <slomo> yes... hm, ok... then lets wait until monday or something ;)
[03:40] <bddebian> Heya gang
[03:40] <ajmitch> hello
[03:41] <bddebian> Heya ajmitch, how's things?
[03:41] <ajmitch> ok
[03:41] <ajmitch> meh, I should have looked up my subscription address for ubuntu-devel when sending the MOTU minutes
[03:46] <xerxas> slomo,  ?
[03:46] <slomo> yes?
[03:46] <xerxas> hi
[03:47] <xerxas> I don't have anymore any binary called ipython
[03:47] <slomo> hehe hi :)
[03:47] <xerxas> /usr/bin/python2.4-ipython
[03:47] <slomo> wonderfull... i'll take a look ;)
[03:47] <xerxas> yesterday I was calling ipython , not python2.4-ipython
[03:47] <xerxas> don't remember if it was the ipython package providing the binary
[03:47] <xerxas> or a wrapper ...
[03:48] <ajmitch> slomo: was that one you fixed? :)
[03:48] <slomo> ajmitch: yes :P i wonder how this happened ;)
[03:48] <xerxas> :)
[03:48] <xerxas> that one you fixed in 20 seconds :)
[03:48] <xerxas> that didn't got really fixed :)
[03:49] <slomo> was the ipython binary the 2.2 version before?
[03:49] <ivoks> damn!
[03:51] <xerxas> don't know
[03:51] <xerxas> not sure I got the question
[03:51] <slomo> yes... ok, i'll fix it ;)
[03:53] <slomo> wait... ls -al /usr/bin/ipython
[03:53] <slomo> for me it exists
[03:53] <slomo> /usr/bin/ipython -> /etc/alternatives/ipython
[03:55] <sivang> hmm, what's ipython?
[03:55] <lifeless> interactive python
[03:55] <slomo> xerxas?
[03:55] <xerxas> xerxas@kisa:~/musicbrainz/picard$ ls -l /usr/bin/ipython
[03:55] <xerxas> lrwxrwxrwx  1 root root 25 2005-08-29 15:20 /usr/bin/ipython -> /etc/alternatives/ipython
[03:55] <xerxas> right
[03:56] <xerxas> sorry
[03:56] <slomo> ok... wait
[03:56] <slomo> ls -al /etc/alternatives/ipython
[03:56] <xerxas> xerxas@kisa:~/musicbrainz/picard$ ls -l /etc/alternatives/ipython
[03:56] <xerxas> lrwxrwxrwx  1 root root 26 2005-09-10 14:28 /etc/alternatives/ipython -> /usr/bin/python2.3-ipython
[03:56] <xerxas> xerxas@kisa:~/musicbrainz/picard$
[03:56] <xerxas> so the package should update the alternative stuff , right ?
[03:56] <xerxas> or maybe no
[03:56] <xerxas> don't know :)
[03:56] <slomo> and you don't have python2.3-ipython stuff anymore?
[03:56] <xerxas> or a dialog ?
[03:56] <xerxas> slomo, no, i removed it
[03:56] <xerxas> ipython was the last package which made me use python2.3
[03:56] <slomo> ok... try apt-get --reinstall install python2.4-ipython
[03:59] <sivang> lifeless: I thought you get interactive python by just running python, no ? :)
[03:59] <xerxas> slomo, still linked to python2.3-ipython after a reinstall
[04:00] <xerxas> slomo, sure, I can do an update-alternative
[04:00] <xerxas> but don't know if the package does its work
[04:00] <slomo> xerxas: ok, try it
[04:01] <lifeless> sivang: not with tab completion and colour
[04:01] <lifeless> sivang: try it :)
[04:01] <xerxas> try it what ?
[04:01] <xerxas> try the update-alternatiev ?
[04:01] <lifeless> I was speaking to sivang :)
[04:01] <slomo> xerxas: yes
[04:06] <ivoks> feels
[04:06] <slomo> ivoks: why?
[04:06] <xerxas> root@kisa:/home/xerxas/musicbrainz/picard # update-alternatives --verbose --config ipython
[04:06] <xerxas> There is only 1 program which provides ipython
[04:06] <xerxas> (/usr/bin/python2.4-ipython). Nothing to configure.
[04:06] <xerxas> Checking available versions of ipython, updating links in /etc/alternatives ...
[04:06] <xerxas> (You may modify the symlinks there yourself if desired - see `man ln'.)
[04:06] <xerxas> Automatic updates of /etc/alternatives/ipython are disabled, leaving it alone.
[04:06] <ivoks> my flightgear and xine-ui didn't apply dpatch patches
[04:06] <xerxas> To return to automatic updates use `update-alternatives --auto ipython'.
[04:06] <xerxas> sorry, didn't ask if I should use a pastebin
[04:07] <ivoks> reason was that i forgot to put configure: patch in rules :/
[04:07] <xerxas> should I , next time ?
[04:07] <slomo> xerxas: would be better ;) but don't worry :)
[04:07] <ivoks> isn't that dumb?! :)
[04:07] <slomo> xerxas: does it work now?
[04:07] <ajmitch> ivoks: oops :)
[04:07] <slomo> ivoks: hmm... why don't you test your stuff in pbuilder before? ;)
[04:07] <ivoks> slomo: i did
[04:07] <ivoks> slomo: patch stayed patched
[04:08] <ivoks> didn't get unpatch
[04:08] <ajmitch> always use pbuilder build on the /
[04:08] <slomo> hmm... when i upload something and katie gets it at :05... it will be build after :33, right?
[04:08] <ajmitch> .dsc!
[04:08] <ivoks> eh... i used pdebuild
[04:08] <xerxas> slomo, no
[04:08] <xerxas> slomo, sure , i can make it easly work if I want to
[04:09] <xerxas> but a lamda user won't
[04:09] <ivoks> dumb dumb...
[04:09] <slomo> xerxas: really weird... hm, then do it by hand :/ hopefully for other users this gets done automatically :(
[04:10] <xerxas> I don't think so
[04:10] <ajmitch> ivoks: I don't like pdebuild for that reason
[04:10] <ajmitch> ivoks: pbuilder build is closest to what the buildds do
[04:10] <ivoks> ajmitch: now i don't like it either..
[04:10] <xerxas> i have done a "apt-get --purge remove ipython ipython-common python2.3-ipython python2.4-ipython"
[04:10] <ajmitch> :)
[04:10] <xerxas> slomo, it won't work for anybody
[04:11] <slomo> xerxas: and even that didn't get the alternative link right?
[04:11] <xerxas> yep
[04:11] <xerxas> it didn't
[04:11] <slomo> hmmm...
[04:11] <slomo> ajmitch: that's just some evil alternatives stuff :(
[04:11] <sivang> lifeless: ok, sounds awuful nice :)
[04:11] <xerxas> I think you should add an update-alternative call in the postinst script
[04:11] <slomo> xerxas: it is there ;)
[04:11] <ajmitch> slomo: I know, I've used alternatives in my package before
[04:12] <xerxas> slomo, "update-alternatives --auto ipython"
[04:12] <slomo> xerxas: and i think it will work for everybody who installs ipython the first time... but anyway, maybe ajmitch can fix that ;)
[04:12] <xerxas> just turn the ipython alternative system back to auto
[04:13] <xerxas> I don't know howcome my ipython alternative wasn't in auto , but surely I havn't done this manually
[04:17] <slomo> \sh_away: did you fix gwydion-dylan?
[04:20] <slomo> ajmitch: found the problem?
[04:20] <ajmitch> slomo: no, update-alternatives shouldn't be other than auto on his box
[04:21] <ajmitch> it works just fine for a fresh install for me
[04:21] <slomo> ajmitch: yes, same for me too :/
[04:22] <\sh> slomo: u build gtkglextmm?
[04:22] <slomo> \sh: yes
[04:22] <slomo> \sh: did i take again something from you? :(
[04:23] <xerxas> ajmitch,  you're talking about me ?
[04:23] <slomo> \sh: oh no... i took 2 packages from you :/
[04:23] <slomo> \sh: sorry
[04:23] <\sh> slomo: well..i tried it yesterday and it failed because of some pango errors during configuration
[04:23] <\sh> slomo: doesn't matter
[04:24] <slomo> \sh: yes, i fixed those... these errors were in gtkglext (without mm)
[04:24] <\sh> aha
[04:24] <\sh> missed that :(
[04:24] <slomo> \sh: and you worked on gwydion-dylan iirc?
[04:25] <bddebian> Why is freeswan showing up in unmet deps, I thought it was replaced by openswan?
[04:25] <\sh> i tried
[04:26] <slomo> \sh: ok, i'm currently looking at it... what failed?
[04:26] <\sh> slomo: well...i could tell u if i would have access to my hp laptop...but my dyndns client didn't work properly
[04:26] <bddebian> slomo is ROCKIN' :-)
[04:27] <\sh> bddebian: u too :)
[04:27] <bddebian> Bah
[04:27] <slomo> \sh: ok, i'll try fixing it when you don't want it ;)
[04:27] <slomo> bddebian: he's right :P
[04:27] <\sh> slomo: i'll going back to work when i'm back home :)
[04:27] <\sh> slomo: so take it :)
[04:28] <slomo> \sh: ok... looks fine atm ;) the C stuff built and now it's only dylan code that gets compiled... maybe just a rebuild does it now
[04:28] <slomo> \sh: whatever this package is ;)
[04:30] <\sh>  This package contains the libraries and other files needed to
[04:30] <\sh>  run programs compiled with the Gwydion Dylan compiler (d2c).
[04:30] <ivoks> Mithrandir: ping
[04:30] <\sh> ,)
[04:30] <bddebian> Eeks
[04:30] <bddebian> Heya ivoks
[04:30] <slomo> \sh: yes i read that too :) but what is gwydion dylan? ;)
[04:30] <ivoks> bddebian: hi
[04:30] <Mithrandir> ivoks: yes?
[04:31] <ivoks> Mithrandir: is it possible to get some libs installed on ravels breezy chroot?
[04:31] <Mithrandir> yes
[04:32] <ivoks_> khm.. sorry about that...
[04:33] <Mithrandir> ivoks: but you have to tell me which you want.
[04:33] <ivoks> i know... sec..
[04:33] <bddebian> ivoks: Did you already fix/upload flightgear?
[04:33] <sivang> lifeless: wowa, that's cool :)
[04:34] <sivang> lifeless: has those magic functions, what can I do with customizing them?
[04:34] <ivoks> Mithrandir: libglut3-dev plib1.8.4-dev libopenal-dev simgear-dev
[04:34] <ivoks> bddebian: it's ftbs on amd64, so i'm working on it as we speek
[04:34] <Mithrandir> ivoks: done
[04:34] <ivoks> Mithrandir: thanks
[04:34] <bddebian> ivoks: Cool, thanks
[04:40] <bddebian> OK damnit, there has to be a better way in malone to get back to the list of bugs I was using.. Grr
[04:41] <bddebian> Of course if I was smarter, I'd remember to open the bug in a new tab eh? ;-)
[04:42] <ivoks> hm, looking good, looking good :)
[04:42] <bmonty> I agree, I like malone, but the navigation needs a little work
[04:46] <ivoks> niverse/games/flightgear_0.9.8-1ubuntu3: Building by buildd+terranova
[04:46] <ivoks> in the process...
[04:48] <ivoks> no...
[04:50] <HiddenWolf> herzi, ?
[05:04] <herzi> HiddenWolf?
[05:05] <HiddenWolf> herzi, I understand you packaged hula for hoary?
[05:05] <herzi> yes
[05:06] <HiddenWolf> what would it take for me to roll new packages (new svn checkout)?
[05:06] <HiddenWolf> Yours are kind of ancient, and upstream moved on quite quickly.
[05:07] <herzi> build the ones from: deb-src http://www.eurobob.eclipse.co.uk/hula debs/
[05:11] <HiddenWolf> got a quick rundown? I've only rarely built packages.
[05:16] <slomo> \sh: this dylan thing is evil... it needs ages to compile :(
[05:17] <bddebian> Hmm, gnustep-qui-common package shows version 0.9.4-4 but the source package is 0.9.5-1
[05:19] <bddebian> Ahh, maybe because it all failed to build.. :-)
[05:19] <ogra> herzi, why havent we fresh packages in breezy ?
[05:20] <HiddenWolf> ogra, I'm willing to make them, if you can tell me how.
[05:20] <herzi> because i have had no time to maintain my own /debian directory
[05:20] <herzi> and i'm using alex' packages now
[05:21] <herzi> HiddenWolf: seach the wiki for "set up pbuilder" and then just "apt-get source hula && cd hula && pdebuild"
[05:21] <HiddenWolf> herzi, reading it now.
[05:22] <herzi> HiddenWolf: then patch the debian dir to make the package pass lots of linda/lintian checks and give those patches to me, i'll ask alex to include them den
[05:22] <herzi> s/den/then/
[05:23] <\sh> slomo: yeah i know
[05:23] <slomo> \sh: i'll probably update the package to 2.4.0... that should fix the ppc build failure
[05:23] <slomo> \sh: how long did it take to compile for you?
[05:24] <\sh> slomo: 3 hours
[05:24] <\sh> or more
[05:24] <slomo> wonderfull :)
[05:24] <\sh> i was sitting in the company while i was compiling...i think 2 times i managed to compile during one shift
[05:24] <slomo> can you give me access to some 4-way smp ppc machine? ;)
[05:28] <slomo> \sh: argh... 2.4.0RC3 is higher than 2.4.0 for dpkg... what do you suggest? 2.4.0RC3+2.4.0?
[05:30] <slomo> \sh: or increasing the epoch? we are already at 1: ;)
[05:34] <ajmitch> not unless you want to be incompatible with debian if they do it different
[05:34] <ajmitch> epochs are forever
[05:35] <\sh> slomo: what about new?
[05:35] <slomo> \sh: 2.4.0new?
[05:35] <\sh> slomo: or interaction from elmo,infinity or lamont
[05:36] <slomo> n comes before r so it won't be newer
[05:36] <jamessan|laptop> 2.3.9+2.4.0RC3 (or whatever the current packaged version is)
[05:36] <slomo> jamessan: so 2.4.0RC3+2.4.0?
[05:36] <ajmitch> oh that sounds evil
[05:36] <ajmitch> but it might be the only way
[05:37] <jamessan|laptop> slomo: the current packaged version is 2.4.0? then why is the next version an RC for the current package?
[05:37] <\sh> can't we remove 2.4.0rc3 from the archives and do a source upload
[05:37] <ajmitch> jamessan|laptop: the current version is an RC
[05:37] <slomo> jamessan: the current version is 2.4.0RC3... and we want 2.4.0
[05:37] <ajmitch> \sh: no
[05:37] <jamessan|laptop> oh
[05:37] <ajmitch> \sh: unless there were no binaries built from RC3
[05:37] <slomo> ajmitch: they were built... last year ;)
[05:37] <\sh> sh*t
[05:38] <\sh> ok...what about this
[05:38] <ajmitch> then an upgrade wouldn't work for those users
[05:38] <\sh> 2.4.0RC3+2.4.0
[05:38] <\sh> and for breezy+1 2.4.0 or higher
[05:38] <slomo> and whoever packaged this should be shot... :/
[05:38] <jamessan|laptop> yeah
[05:38] <ajmitch> 2.4.1, you mean?
[05:38] <slomo> \sh: ok, i'll go that road
[05:38] <jamessan|laptop> they should've done the + thing when they packaged the RC
[05:38] <\sh> ajmitch: after breezy release we remove the RC3 from the archives
[05:39] <\sh> ajmitch: and have a real 2.4.0 release
[05:39] <\sh> or eventually with new upstream the problem is solved a la 2.4.1
[05:39] <\sh> but who named this package with RC3...
[05:40] <slomo> \sh: debian maintainer
[05:40] <\sh> shoot him
[05:40] <jamessan|laptop> what package?
[05:40] <slomo> \sh: that's not the only reason to shoot him :P
[05:40] <\sh> gwydion-dylan
[05:41] <ajmitch> \sh: you cannot just remove the package & expect upgrades from 2.4.0RC3 to work
[05:41] <ajmitch> the only version that would work properly would be 2.4.1
[05:41] <\sh> ajmitch: as i said: we do it now with 2.4.0RC3+2.4.0 as version
[05:41] <\sh> ajmitch: and after the release with new cycles...we will sort out this problem
[05:42] <ajmitch> depends if there's a new upstream version or not
[05:42] <\sh> gwydion-dylan
[05:42] <\sh> ,)
[05:42] <ajmitch> k
[05:42] <\sh> something really strange
[05:43] <ajmitch> looks like the maintainer has a history of versioning like this
[05:43] <slomo> well i fix this ugly thing now... grmpf =)
[05:44] <ajmitch> 3 open RC bugs in debian...
[05:44] <jamessan|laptop> yeah. the package didn't make it into Sarge
[05:44] <ajmitch> sounds like an evil package that noone actually uses ;)
[05:45] <\sh>   mindy
[05:45] <\sh>   libpng-dylan
[05:45] <\sh>   libopengl-dylan
[05:45] <\sh>   gwydion-dylan-dev
[05:45] <\sh> ,)
[05:45] <jamessan|laptop> ajmitch: popcon agrees with you
[05:46] <ajmitch> sounds very obscure
[05:46] <ajmitch> jamessan|laptop: yeah, I was just looking there
[05:46] <slomo> it _is_ oscure ;)
[05:46] <ajmitch> jamessan|laptop: although some of my packages have less users
[05:47] <jamessan|laptop> yours are probably properly packaged, though  ;)
[05:47] <ajmitch> nah ;)
[05:49] <jamessan|laptop> cool.  that definitely improved my packages
[05:51] <slomo> ok, building now =) let's wait for the results tomorrow...
[05:51] <\sh> hehe
[05:53] <\sh> hmm...
[05:53] <\sh> I think I'll have to leave ogra tomorrow...he looks very happy now..and I don't want him to change his smiling face
[05:57] <ajmitch> heheh
[05:58] <\sh> well...I think after my second beer I'll look somekind of happy as well ,)
[05:59] <ajmitch> only 2?
[05:59] <\sh> hmm..I just got up some minutes before 10 utc
[05:59] <\sh> so...now it's 16 utc and yes..only 2
[06:02] <ajmitch> ah ok
[06:02] <ajmitch> reasonable then :)
[06:03] <ajmitch> 4am here
[06:03] <ajmitch> time for me to sleep
[06:03] <ajmitch> night all :)
[06:04] <slomo> gn8 ajmitch :)
[06:05] <\sh> ajmitch: night dude :)
[06:05] <slomo> \sh: and started the build on my ibook... i wonder how long this will take ;)
[06:05] <slomo> \sh: btw, the upstream buildsystem is broken too =)
[06:07] <\sh> upstream buildsystem? u mean the debian/dir?
[06:07] <\sh> or debian upstream
[06:08] <slomo> upstream upstream :)
[06:08] <slomo> the autotools stuff
[06:09] <slomo> i wonder why it works ;)
[06:10] <slomo> yay... it builds better now for ppc ;) at least something...
[06:20] <\sh> slomo: u rock man :)
[06:29] <bddebian> OK my install is hosed.  I can't upgrade.  It has a problem with libgl1-mesa-dev when installing, says trying to overwrite /usr/include/GL/glu.h which is also in package x11proto-gl-dev ??
[06:29] <\sh> dpkg -i --force-override all?
[06:32] <bddebian> As usualy, you rock \sh :-)
[06:32] <bddebian> Err usual even :-)
[06:33] <\sh> no..right now i'm dreaming about los angeles venice beach
[06:33] <\sh> but ogra and i are sitting here and smiling
[06:34] <\sh> and suse rocks now
[06:34] <bddebian> Venice beach?  Ugh
[06:34] <ogra> food !
[06:36] <\sh> ogra: u have to tell me what can I do for good for suse :) and don't talk now
[06:38] <bddebian> Hmm, lets see if I get in trouble for this one :-)
[06:39] <\sh> which one?
[06:46] <HiddenWolf> siretart, ping
[06:47] <bddebian> \sh: Upgrade of gnustep-common :-)
[06:48] <bddebian> Err gnustep-base I mean
[06:56] <\sh> bddebian: have fun with it :)
[06:59] <bddebian> \sh: It's already uploaded ;-)
[06:59] <\sh> bddebian: u won't get any trouble
[07:07] <sistpoty> hi folks
[07:07] <bddebian> Heya sistpoty
[07:12] <sistpoty> bddebian: could you please check/upload http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=565? (\sh uploaded the last version, but a build-dep was only available for i386... this is fixed now)?
[07:12] <bddebian> sistpoty: I should be able to in a bit, I'm upgrading my machine atm.  685 packages needed an upgrade (guess it's been awhile? :-) )
[07:13] <sistpoty> ok... good luck ;)
[07:14] <bddebian> Thanks, I'll probably need it :-)
[07:14] <sistpoty> damn... 276 here *g*
[07:21] <genbie> is multiverse working plz?
[07:22] <slomo> genbie: what do you mean?
[07:23] <genbie> slomo i tried to add it to my repos. but only universe is showing
[07:23] <genbie> do i have to clean up my cache?
[07:23] <slomo> in synaptic? you have to update your package lists
[07:24] <genbie> yes
[07:24] <genbie> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[07:24] <genbie> multiverse didnt show
[07:25] <slomo> can you paste the content of /etc/apt/sources.list to some pastebin?
[07:25] <genbie> whats pastebin?
[07:26] <genbie> someone said that i may have to clean up the cache, but how?
[07:26] <slomo> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/ for example... you can paste text there and give us a link... this prevents spamming the channel ;)
[07:26] <slomo> but before try "sudo apt-get update"
[07:26] <slomo> but close synaptic before you try
[07:27] <bddebian> Kick-ass, gnustep-base built successful
[07:27] <slomo> bddebian: and gwydion-dylan is still compiling =)
[07:27] <genbie> OK i did and multiverse is not showing, also looked at the apt.sources file and there is no multiverse entry
[07:27] <bddebian> slomo: W00t :-)
[07:28] <slomo> genbie: then add it in your sources.list ;) should be the easiest way then
[07:28] <genbie> slomo do you know how to clean up  my cache please?
[07:29] <genbie> sudo apt-get clean?
[07:29] <slomo> genbie: i don't know what you mean with cleaning up your cache
[07:29] <genbie> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=64485&highlight=multiverse
[07:30] <genbie> that guy had the same problem too today
[07:31] <slomo> genbie: ok... your sources.list looks like his? and apt-get update really doesn't show something about multiverse?
[07:32] <genbie> yeh
[07:32] <genbie> except there is no multiverse
[07:33] <genbie> OK I guess the wiki got it wrong
[07:33] <slomo> genbie: so it says that it can't find multiverse?
[07:33] <bddebian> Copy the universe line and change the word universe to multiverse
[07:33] <genbie> because it says that multiverse should show
[07:33] <genbie> no multiverse simply does not show in synaptic
[07:34] <genbie> OK never mind, i may have to do it the manual way :-)
[07:41] <bddebian> sistpoty: Your changelog still says ubuntu1.  Is it going to be ubuntu2 now?
[07:44] <genbie> OK thanx slomo and bddebian.. got working now by manually updating sources.list and doing apt-get update :-)
[07:45] <slomo> genbie: ok, fine :)
[07:46] <genbie> but maybe someone should inform the breezy developers about this.. i am only a newbie
[07:46] <bddebian> genbie: Great
[07:51] <bddebian> slomo or \sh:  Could either one of you try pef's patch for poker3d on MOTUGLUTransitions?  Originally I couldn't get it to build, now it fails for me just running debuild -S -sa..
[07:54] <slomo> bddebian: where are they?
[07:54] <bddebian> slomo: It's posted on the GLUTransition wiki page
[07:56] <slomo> bddebian: ok, found it
[07:56] <slomo> bddebian: what a big package...
[07:57] <slomo> how long does it take to compile?
[07:57] <slomo> one day? ;)
[07:57] <bddebian> Depends on your machine ;-P  But yes, it does take awhile
[07:58] <slomo> up to a day like gwydion-dylan? :P
[08:00] <bddebian> No, shouldn't
[08:00] <slomo> ok :)
[08:01] <slomo> wtf
[08:01] <slomo> why does it run configure on clean?
[08:01] <bddebian> ??
[08:02] <slomo> that was the error you got ;) i'll fix that for him :)
[08:03] <Lathiat> that usually happens when you change one of the automake files
[08:03] <slomo> Lathiat: i know... but this time it's something else... broken rules =)
[08:03] <bddebian> Something about a parse error on the c pre-processor
[08:03] <Lathiat> ah
[08:04] <slomo> Lathiat: and you can prevent the configure rerun when patching automake stuff
[08:04] <Lathiat> yeh i know
[08:04] <Lathiat> someone taught me how wto do that
[08:04] <slomo> hehe we should stop telling us things we already know :)
[08:04] <slomo> was it infinity who taught you that?
[08:05] <Lathiat> no
[08:05] <Lathiat> someone in here
[08:05] <slomo> hm, probably me ;)
[08:05] <Lathiat> ajmitch possibly
[08:05] <Lathiat> or you
[08:05] <Lathiat> probably you ;p
[08:06] <slomo> Lathiat: avahi didn't build on ia64... is this normal?
[08:07] <Lathiat> slomo: hrm
[08:07] <Lathiat> slomo: ive never actually tried to build it on ia64
[08:07] <Lathiat> slomo: i think it worked last time tho, i'll take a look
[08:07] <slomo> Lathiat: yes... built there before
[08:08] <slomo> Lathiat: no qt4 on ia64
[08:08] <Lathiat> E: Package libqt4-dev has no installation candidate
[08:08] <Lathiat> slomo: right
[08:08] <Lathiat> slomo: is it possible to make a certain package build only on certain archs?
[08:09] <tseng> yes
[08:09] <Lathiat> or
[08:09] <Lathiat> is qt4 on ia64 going to be fixed anytime soon?
[08:09] <tseng> Architecture: x86 amd64
[08:09] <tseng> say
[08:09] <slomo> don't forget powerpc :P
[08:09] <sistpoty> bddebian: sorry, was afk (eating pizza)...
[08:09] <slomo> and no idea about qt4
[08:09] <tseng> ppc is irrelevant
[08:09] <tseng> :P
[08:09] <slomo> tseng: it isn't :P
[08:09] <bddebian> sistpoty: NP
[08:10] <slomo> Lathiat: but don't worry about that... the ia64 port isn't official
[08:10] <sistpoty> bddebian: you should take the ubuntu2 version (the one one revu... the link on unmetdeps is old *g*)
[08:10] <Lathiat> slomo: i realise, i'd like it to be working tho :)
[08:10] <Lathiat> but it sound slike effort and munging
[08:10] <slomo> bddebian: building poker3d... *wait*
[08:10] <slomo> Lathiat: yes... and it's uneccessary imho... ;) just wait until ia64 gets qt4 :)
[08:10] <sistpoty> bddebian: i just exchanged the build-dep to virtual package by the right one, so lamont won't have to start kicking at the package ;)
[08:11] <bddebian> sistpoty: Ahh
[08:11] <bddebian> slomo: You ROCk as always
[08:11] <slomo> bddebian: you too :)
[08:12] <bddebian> So can anyone guide me as to where the fsck libdps-dev is supposed to come from?  I can't find it anywhere on Ubuntu or Debian exept a vague reference to xorg-x11 in Debian?? :-(
[08:12] <Lathiat> libdps is gone
[08:12] <Lathiat> remove the build-dep
[08:12] <tseng> so when do we get bdubuntu, anyway
[08:12] <Lathiat> tseng: hehe
[08:12] <slomo> tseng: bdubuntu would be the hurd port :)
[08:12] <Lathiat> haha
[08:13] <sistpoty> bddebian: perhaps from xorg? (libdps1 has source package xorg)
[08:13] <Lathiat> sistpoty: it no longer exists
[08:13] <slomo> or wasn't that you who wanted to do a hurd port, bddebian?
[08:13] <Lathiat> you can just remove the build-dep and the package should build fine
[08:13] <\sh> bdubuntu?
[08:14] <bddebian> Lathiat: OK, thx
[08:14] <bddebian> slomo: Yes it was
[08:14] <slomo> \sh: dylan is still compiling on ppc and x86 =)
[08:14] <bddebian> tseng: I really do need to change my nick but it's so pervasive now.. :-(
[08:15] <sistpoty> hehe
[08:15] <\sh> slomo: so it needs more time then 5h ;)
[08:15] <slomo> \sh: probably... but it seems to work =) how did they get so much work in 3 mb compressed sources?
[08:16] <\sh> slomo: it's compiling dylan code to asm or whatever
[08:16] <sistpoty> dirty h4ck3r tricks or static meta template programming? *g*
[08:16] <slomo> \sh: but 5 hours? for 3 mb?
[08:16] <\sh> sistpoty: r u coming to ubz or siretart?
[08:16] <Lathiat> slomo: is it c++?
[08:16] <\sh> slomo: yes...why not
[08:17] <\sh> Lathiat: no...it's dylan
[08:17] <Lathiat> whats dylan?
[08:17] <slomo> und plain C
[08:17] <sistpoty> siretart is considering ubz afaik
[08:17] <slomo> Lathiat: google for it ;) really weird language
[08:19] <bddebian> sistpoty: http://pastebin.ubuntulinux.nl/2087  :-(
[08:20] <slomo_> bddebian: poker3d ftbfs
[08:20] <sistpoty> bddebian: gna... this is strange... I'
[08:20] <sistpoty> +ll recheck
[08:22] <slomo> pef: check poker3d in pbuilder... doesn't work
[08:24] <\sh> good...njam networking game between i386 and amd64 does work
[08:24] <slomo> \sh: want to try i386 and ppc? ;)
[08:25] <\sh> slomo: lets try
[08:25] <\sh> slomo: u host the game..and give me the ip
[08:25] <bddebian> slomo: :-(
[08:25] <slomo> \sh: i can't... i'm behind a router and have no port forwarded to my laptop ;)
[08:25] <\sh> slomo: *gg*
[08:36] <sistpoty> bddebian: i put a newer version to revu, but the only strange thing i noticed was a sole ", " in the control file... (which is there even in the debian version *g*)... i removed that one, could you please try again?
[08:36] <bddebian> sistpoty: Sure
[08:37] <sistpoty> but this doesn't explain the dpatch warnings (i don't get them...)
[08:41] <\sh> tv time
[08:42] <bddebian> sistpoty: Hmm, I may still have a b0rked system apparently.  Hang on
[08:43] <sistpoty> bddebian: ok ;)
[08:47] <bddebian> Damnit I am getting nothing done today
[08:48] <bddebian> Heya seth_k
[08:48] <seth_k> hi bddebian
[08:49] <seth_k> anything scarily new, bddebian?
[08:49] <HiddenWolf> Can anyone help me. I'm getting linda and lintian errors, but I'm not sure how to fix them
[08:49] <bddebian> Well I'm an MOTU now, is that scary enough? ;-)
[08:49] <bddebian> HiddenWolf: Paste them to a pastebin
[08:50] <seth_k> yeah that's scary enough ;)
[08:51] <bddebian> Sure is. :-)
[08:51] <HiddenWolf> bddebian, http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2091
[08:52] <bddebian> HiddenWolf: Well the lintian errors are just empty files in the directory tree I think
[08:53] <HiddenWolf> bddebian, remove them in the source package?
[08:53] <sistpoty> HiddenWolf: try lintian -i -v to get some more detailed messages
[08:53] <bddebian> To get rid of the errors you probably could but they may be placeholders for future releases so it's hard to say.
[08:55] <sistpoty> HiddenWolf: would be better a) not install them at all or remove them from the install before make the deb
[08:55] <HiddenWolf> sistpoty, I've put ##placeholder in it for now. :)
[08:55] <sistpoty> :)
[08:56] <HiddenWolf> It's not my package, I got the deb src from a mirror, and I'm just sniffing at my first ever packaging.
[08:56] <sistpoty> hehe, good luck then ;)
[08:57] <HiddenWolf> Ubuntu packages for hula are ancient, external repro's work without a problem tho.
[08:57] <HiddenWolf> but they don't use ubuntu version numbers.
[09:02] <seth_k> hmm, I think I finally have this kmobiletools package fixed to slomo's specs.
[09:03] <seth_k> oh great
[09:03] <seth_k> my uni blocks dput uploads
[09:03] <seth_k> anybody know what port dput uses? I'll have to SSH tunnel
[09:04] <bddebian> seth_k: I think it just uses ftp doesn't it?
[09:04] <seth_k> ohhh, revu changed addresses, that's right! :P
[09:05] <slomo> seth_k: yes... revu.tauware.de
[09:06] <seth_k> hum, I am still getting errors
[09:06] <seth_k> sorry, I've been out of the loop for a month... has anything else changed besides the address?
[09:07] <slomo> the path ;)
[09:07] <seth_k> yep, just looked at wikipage and saw :)
[09:08] <sistpoty> seth_k: what errors did you get? (if more than one line, can you post this to pastebin)?
[09:08] <seth_k> sistpoty, it was just b/c I had the wrong path, fixed now
[09:08] <seth_k> thanks though
[09:08] <sistpoty> ah, ok, thought you still had the errors ;)
[09:08] <sistpoty> phew... don't need to look at scary vsftpd incoming dir *g*
[09:08] <seth_k> hehe ^_^
[09:15] <Lathiat> slomo: http://bur.st/~lathiat/rubymagick.debdiff
[09:15] <Lathiat> slomo: http://bur.st/~lathiat/pgaccess.debdiff
[09:16] <slomo> Lathiat: ok
[09:16] <bddebian> Lathiat: How did you fix pgaccess without libpgtcl?
[09:17] <Lathiat> bddebian: s/libpgtcl/postgresql-pltl-7.4
[09:17] <Lathiat> bddebian: seems to work
[09:17] <Lathiat> pltcl
[09:17] <bddebian> Hmm, cool
[09:17] <Lathiat> it throws back an auth error anyway
[09:17] <Lathiat> so i can only assume its connecting and working
[09:17] <Lathiat> better than the state its in now at any rate
[09:18] <bddebian> Heh, aye
[09:19] <seth_k> slomo, I am practically positive kmobiletools is right this time ;)
[09:19] <HiddenWolf> bddebian, I'm still looking at finding those zero-byte files, any hints?
[09:20] <bddebian> zero-byte-file-in-doc-directory usr/share/doc/libhula0/changelog.gz
[09:20] <slomo> Lathiat: uploaded both
[09:20] <Lathiat> slomo: danke
[09:20] <slomo> sedak: ok, i'll look at it maybe tomorrow
[09:20] <slomo> Lathiat: kein problem ;) you speak german?
[09:20] <Lathiat> nope
[09:21] <Lathiat> just knew that and felt like saying it ;p
[09:21] <Lathiat> probably supposed to have an accented e or something id ont know :)
[09:21] <bddebian> Damn, I'm going to waste the whole day just updating my breezy install :-(
[09:21] <slomo> Lathiat: nope... that was correct :)
[09:21] <Lathiat> bddebian: haha
[09:21] <sedak> slomo, sedak != seth_k :'(
[09:22] <seth_k> bddebian, why the whole day?
[09:22] <slomo> sedak: sorry :(
[09:22] <bddebian> seth_k: I haven't upgraded in a couple months. :-(
[09:22] <sedak> sladen, that's fine :-)
[09:23] <seth_k> bddebian, ouch
[09:23] <sedak> oups, i made the same mistake ...
[09:23] <slomo> sedak: :P
[09:23] <seth_k> well you will be pleasantly surprised though, Breezy is looking good :)
[09:23] <seth_k> (/me loves having OC-3 access at his uni, Internet2 is a wonderful thing)
[09:24] <bddebian> seth_k: Heh, no kidding
[09:30] <sistpoty> hm... what's the right way, if I take a newer version from debian _and_ modify this one? Have a sync requested at first and then mod the synced one or just import, modify put somewhere?
[09:30] <slomo> Lathiat: i wonder why avahi 0.4 isn't in the archives yet... probably in NEW because of new binaries or something...
[09:30] <slomo> sistpoty: just upload the modified one
[09:30] <sistpoty> slomo: ok, thx... i just wondered if this would impact the merging (once breezy is out)
[09:31] <slomo> sistpoty: nope
[09:31] <sistpoty> cool
[09:32] <slomo> they can't be synced anyway because of your changes ;)
[09:32] <slomo> hum... gwydion-dylan is still compiling...
[09:33] <sistpoty> slomo: good point :)
[09:34] <slomo> i asked exactly the same some weeks ago :)
[09:35] <sistpoty> hehe
[09:39] <bddebian> Heya mbreit
[09:39] <mbreit> hi all...
[09:39] <mbreit> hey bddebian
[09:41] <bddebian> sistpoty: Hmm, OK, the debian/control file does have duplicate entries for libcreal-ocaml-dev
[09:44] <sistpoty> hm...?
[09:45] <Lathiat> .
[09:45] <Lathiat> ss
[09:45] <Lathiat> slomo: yeh new binaries
[09:46] <sistpoty> bddebian: we're talking about this: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=566?
[09:47] <bddebian> sistpoty: No, ocamlcreal
[09:47] <sistpoty> erm... this is ocamlcreal ;) at least the thing on which i've been working
[09:49] <bddebian> sistpoty: Is the debdiff you have posted there against the ubuntu1 version or the previous version?
[09:49] <slomo> and gwydion-dylan still compiling...
[09:49] <bddebian> Eeks
[09:50] <sistpoty> bddebian: i didn't post a debdiff anywhere ;) (revu always debdiffs to the very previous version)
[09:50] <sistpoty> hehe, this explains quite some things *g*
[09:50] <bddebian> Ooohhh.  So I should just be grabbing the .dsc and .gz files and building?
[09:51] <sistpoty> yep :)
[09:51] <sistpoty> sorry if was unclear on that *g*
[09:51] <bddebian> No, my fault, I haven't grabbed from revu before
[09:52] <sistpoty> hehe, no problem... note to self: revu2 should be smarter with debdiffs (like debdiff to latest ubuntu version)
[09:54] <bddebian> sistpoty: Hey, that's smooth as silk ;-)
[09:54] <sistpoty> cool :)
[09:55] <bddebian> note to self: Get a brain
[09:55] <bddebian> sistpoty: OK, uploaded, watch your buildlogs :-)
[09:57] <sistpoty> thx ;)
[09:59] <bddebian> It's kind of funny that the diff actually applied to itself. :-)
[10:19] <bddebian> Why would a patch apply successfully but fail to de-apply?
[10:21] <bddebian> Hmm, it plays with configure.  Could that do it?
[10:21] <sistpoty> might be... if configure is modified/generated after the patch is applied
[10:21] <slomo> which could be because of timestamps
[10:22] <slomo> bddebian: that won't help when you don't run autoreconf
[10:23] <bddebian> Oh, good point
[10:23] <bddebian> Hmm
[10:24] <slomo> read the autotools-dev doc... about the timestamps
[10:24] <bddebian> Bah, that sounds way too much like work ;-)
[10:28] <slomo> it is ;)
[10:30] <bddebian> gabber is fixed?
[10:36] <bddebian> Heya ivoks
[10:36] <ivoks> evening
[10:36] <slomo> hi ivoks :) thanks for fixing the amd64 stuff
[10:36] <ivoks> fgfs?
[10:37] <slomo> ivoks: flightgear
[10:37] <ivoks> wasn't so hard :)
[10:37] <slomo> but anyway :)
[10:37] <Lathiat> anyone using fglrx or nvidia-binary ?
[10:37] <ivoks> me
[10:37] <ivoks> nvidia
[10:37] <Lathiat> GL/DRI is fucked right?
[10:37] <Lathiat> it snot just me?
[10:38] <ivoks> hm...no
[10:38] <ivoks> works
[10:38] <Lathiat> works?
[10:38] <Lathiat> hrm
[10:38] <Lathiat> neither my fglrx nor nvidia works :\
[10:38] <PlanarPlatypus> Lathiat, it seems to be working for me
[10:38] <Lathiat> PlanarPlatypus: nv or fgl?
[10:38] <PlanarPlatypus> nv
[10:38] <tseng> nvidia works for me
[10:38] <Lathiat> anyone with fglrx?
[10:39] <Lathiat> i think maybe my nv is being messed up by a real old manual install
[10:39] <Lathiat> but my fglrx is clean and it whinges about some version mismatch in the dri
[10:39] <tseng> ive used "nv" and "nvidia" today
[10:39] <ivoks> omg, i'm really bad pilot :)
[10:39] <tseng> i also have "ati"
[10:39] <tseng> "fglrx" is bogus crap
[10:39] <tseng> i wont touch it with a stick
[10:39] <Lathiat> yeh well i want 3d :)
[10:40] <Lathiat> mesa just doesnt cut it for bzflag
[10:40] <PlanarPlatypus> heh
[10:41] <Lathiat> ive been rebooting to windows to play ;p
[10:41] <ivoks> :))
[10:41] <ivoks> anyone knows how to flight planes in filghtgear? :)
[10:41] <PlanarPlatypus> Lathiat, out of curiosity how did you install fglrx and what card do you have?
[10:41] <ivoks> i'm in f16 and have problems landing :) help needed :)
[10:42] <Lathiat> firegl v3100, with the packages
[10:43] <bddebian> Damnit, I did it again. :-(
[10:43] <Lathiat> bddebian: ?
[10:44] <bddebian> I rebuilt fbi and uploaded but the depends is still going to fail.
[10:44] <ivoks> i keep crashing my plains :)
[10:44] <PlanarPlatypus> Lathiat, you could try module-assistant if you are desparate for 3d support, one of my housemates has had success with that approach
[10:45] <Lathiat> bddebian: whwy dont you pbuilder beforehand
[10:46] <Lathiat> PlanarPlatypus: with fgl or nv?
[10:46] <bddebian> Nevermind, it should work.
[10:46] <PlanarPlatypus> fgl
[10:46] <bddebian> Lathiat: I do :-)
[10:46] <Lathiat> bddebian: ....
[10:46] <Lathiat> bddebian: then why does it fail?
[10:46] <bddebian> Sometimes I'm just stoned :-)
[10:46] <PlanarPlatypus> he has a 9800 of some kind
[10:46] <bddebian> Lathiat: It won't after the rebuild
[10:46] <Lathiat> bddebian: ??
[10:47] <bddebian> Lathiat: Just ignore me :-)
[10:48] <bddebian> tseng is good at that. ;-)
[10:53] <HiddenWolf> Guys, i'm trying to package hula 407 and fix some lintian warnings about zero-byte changelog.gz files.
[10:53] <HiddenWolf> I've commented out dh_installchangelogs
[10:54] <HiddenWolf> Still getting the errors
[10:55] <HiddenWolf> in debian/control
[10:55] <Lathiat> *control* ?
[10:56] <sistpoty> HiddenWolf: maybe the changelog.gz comes from dh_installdoc?
[10:56] <HiddenWolf> rules
[10:56] <ajmitch> morning
[10:56] <HiddenWolf> Lathiat, sorry, it's late, and I'm a noob. ;)
[10:56] <sistpoty> HiddenWolf: try to check [hula.] docs
[10:56] <sistpoty> hi ajmitch
[10:56] <Lathiat> ajmitch: heh
[10:56] <Lathiat> ajmitch: whys that
[10:56] <bddebian> Heya ajmitch
[10:56] <slomo> hi ajmitch :)
[10:56] <ivoks> bye all
[10:56] <ajmitch> Lathiat: < 4 hours sleep isn't quite doing it for an old guy like me
[10:57] <Lathiat> ajmitch: oh
[10:57] <Lathiat> ajmitch: hah
[10:57] <ajmitch> not when I do that consistently over a few nights ;)
[10:57] <ajmitch> I see avahi is uploaded
[10:57] <Lathiat> ajmitch: yup
[10:57] <Lathiat> ajmitch: failed to build on ia64
[10:57] <slomo> ajmitch: but the binaries are still in NEW ;)
[10:57] <Lathiat> ajmitch: due to qt4 not being on ia64
[10:57] <ajmitch> slomo: oh suck
[10:58] <ajmitch> we'll have to wait for elmo then, I guess
[10:58] <slomo> yeah... gwydion-dylan ftbfs after 4 hours =)
[10:58] <ajmitch> that's quite soon
[10:58] <Lathiat> http://bur.st/~lathiat/lhs2tex.debdiff
[10:58] <Lathiat> slomo: haha
[10:58] <ajmitch> I saw other people having it FTBFS after 30 hours or more
[10:59] <bddebian> sistpoty: gvr uploaded
[10:59] <Lathiat> hah
[10:59] <Lathiat> nice
[10:59] <slomo> ajmitch: lol... not bad :)
[10:59] <sistpoty> bddebian: cool :)
[10:59] <slomo> Lathiat: please ask ajmitch to upload :) i'm trying to fix dylan ;)
[10:59] <Lathiat>  haha
[10:59] <ajmitch> slomo: but you know I'm nothing special ;)
[10:59] <slomo> lol
[11:00] <Lathiat> i can be so harsh when im not trying
[11:00] <ajmitch> haha
[11:00] <Lathiat> when i try it usually ends up stupid
[11:00] <bddebian> slomo: Don't like, you ROCK d00d
[11:00] <Lathiat> s/slomo/ajmitch,s/like/lie ?
[11:01] <Lathiat> also the d00d requires a following !!!11one1 or else its invalid
[11:01] <bddebian> Uhm yes, s/like/lie/
[11:01] <ajmitch> & the KTHXBAI ?
[11:01] <Lathiat> ajmitch: you got it
[11:01] <Lathiat> wow all the packages i uploaded today all faile dto build on all achs
[11:02] <ajmitch> congrats
[11:02] <Lathiat> bddebian: its true, go put yourself in a hole now
[11:02] <bddebian> hehe
[11:02] <Lathiat> oh
[11:02] <Lathiat> i mean
[11:02] <Lathiat> all *didnt* fail to build
[11:02] <Lathiat> on all arches
[11:02] <Lathiat> i really cant type
[11:02] <bddebian> Lathiat: What do you need uploaded/tested?
[11:02] <Lathiat> lhs2tex, debdiff above
[11:02] <ajmitch> Lathiat: bddebian can be your upload bitch this morning
[11:03] <Lathiat> tssssss
[11:03] <bddebian> Lathiat: Wow, that's a big change ;-P
[11:03] <Lathiat> oh yeh
[11:04] <Lathiat> better get at least 10 MOTUsw to review that one
[11:04] <bddebian> hehe
[11:09] <ajmitch> cool, now I can officially retire :)
[11:09] <bddebian> Oh no, you're mains bitch now.. ;-P
[11:09] <sistpoty> hehe
[11:10] <ajmitch> bddebian: nah, I've still got to get hold of elmo to promote my key
[11:10] <bddebian> ajmitch: Well get on it homey :-)
[11:10] <bddebian> ajmitch: Oh and go clean up your merge bugs on bugzilla. ;-)
[11:11] <ajmitch> bddebian: why should I? :)
[11:11] <ajmitch> "You're not my parent!! you can't make me clean my room!"
[11:11] <bddebian> ajmitch: Because you love me?
[11:13] <bddebian> Who is Jordan Mantha?
[11:13] <ajmitch> nah I don't :P
[11:14] <bddebian> :'-(
[11:16] <bddebian> Lathiat: Uploading lhs2tex, check your buildlogs, etc. Thanks.
[11:17] <slomo> hm, i hate gwydion-dylan...
[11:17] <slomo> but maybe i can fix it :)
[11:18] <bddebian> Of course you can :-)
[11:21] <bmonty_laptop> bddebian: Jordan Mantha is LaserJock
[11:21] <bddebian> Ahhh, thanks bmonty
[11:31] <bddebian> The unmetdeps lists is unmanageable I swear.. :-(
[11:33] <slomo> bddebian: yes... that's why i don't look at it anymore... takes longer than fixing most stuff ;)
[11:33] <slomo> bddebian: we need to do something for that... at least everything that is finished should be removed...
[11:35] <bddebian> slomo: More keeps coming.  I just updated the list and it's bigger again.. :-(
[11:36] <slomo> bddebian: hmm... my own list was smaller :/
[11:36] <mbreit> bddebian: i don't think it's much better... you just did not remove all the packages mentioned somewhere else...
[11:36] <slomo> at least smaller than before
[11:36] <slomo> mbreit: and that stuff is the biggest problem on the wikipage
[11:37] <mbreit> then why is that list updated every day?
[11:37] <mbreit> iirc the list was just updated yesterday....
[11:37] <slomo> better delete everything and make just a page which lists everything broken... and everybody who wants to fix something takes it, fixes it and deletes it from the page
[11:38] <bmonty_laptop> slomo: how do we prevent people from working on the same package at the same time
[11:38] <bddebian> It would be better in a task tracker or bug tracker, that's for sure
[11:38] <mbreit> slomo: that list has been managable... i we are not doing the updates every day... that is just too much work
[11:38] <bmonty_laptop> I agree the wiki is getting out of control tough
[11:39] <slomo> bddebian: yes... that would be the best
[11:39] <slomo> bddebian: but something that is generated automatically
[11:39] <bddebian> Aye
[11:39] <Lathiat> if your working on something
[11:39] <Lathiat> you need to mark it down as being worked on
[11:40] <Lathiat> on my pages i had a status
[11:40] <bmonty_laptop> I could take the command that generates the list and have it auto update to a page on my server
[11:40] <Lathiat> Needing Help / Being worke don / DOne
[11:40] <mbreit> bddebian: will you remove all those double mentioned packages from the nobody list?
[11:41] <slomo> bmonty_laptop: hmm... best would be with something where people can "subscribe" that they're working on it atm
[11:41] <bmonty_laptop> slomo: problem is there isn't much time to start something like that and work on breezy
[11:41] <bddebian> mbreit: Yes
[11:41] <mbreit> bddebian: thanks
[11:42] <slomo> bmonty: yes... but when you do this you are working on breezy and breezy+x imho ;)
[11:42] <bmonty_laptop> true
[11:43] <mbreit> slomo: that page would be very easy to manage if everyone would keep his todo-list short... than updating it could be done in five minutes... (and i really think that updating once in a week is enought)
[11:43] <bmonty_laptop> it would be nice if malone has a module to help
[11:43] <slomo> mbreit: and less sections would help also...
[11:44] <slomo> just nobody and beeing worked on
[11:44] <bddebian> slomo: Well I have a few that are broken that are probably over my head to fix too :-(  So I have having them under my name. :-)
[11:45] <slomo> bddebian: but that makes everything more difficult :(
[11:45] <mbreit> bddebian: if you don't want (or don't know how to) fix a bug, then put it back to the nobody list, so someone else picks that up
[11:45] <bddebian> slomo: I know
[11:46] <bddebian> mbreit: I was doing that but then my "notes" got hammered when someone updated the list again :-)
[11:46] <mbreit> bddebian: that's true...
[11:46] <bmonty_laptop> hey all, would everyone agree that the unmet deps page needs some overhaul?
[11:46] <slomo> yay... gwydion-dylan fixed at least on x86... praise me =)
[11:47] <bddebian> bmonty_laptop: Yes
[11:47] <mbreit> bmonty: i don't see that it would be worth the work... the page works now....
[11:47] <slomo> how can i make a whole package x86/ppc only? without settings the architecture on every binary package...
[11:48] <bmonty_laptop> mbreit: I agree it works, but I think it could be better organized to make it easier to update the list
[11:48] <mbreit> but i think that for breezy+1 (after the breezy release), we should try to make a script on a server which automatically generates the list and allows people to assign some packages to him
[11:50] <bmonty_laptop> mbreit: maybe propose that it be a part of launchpad?
[11:51] <mbreit> hmm... i think what ubuntu really needs is something like packages.qa.debian.org...
[11:51] <mbreit> it could be integrated in that
[11:52] <slomo> mbreit: but that doesn't help with broken packages
[11:52] <mbreit> packages.qa.debian.org doesn't do it... but packages.qa.ubuntu.com could ;))
[11:52] <slomo> ok, who does it? :P
[11:52] <HiddenWolf> mbreit, we'll get there. :)
[11:53] <mbreit> HiddenWolf: is something like that already planned?
[11:54] <HiddenWolf> mbreit, no, but it's inevitable, if ubuntu keeps growing at this rate
[11:54] <HiddenWolf> it'll probably be launchpad tho.
[11:55] <mbreit> yes, launchpad already goes in that direction...
[11:56] <HiddenWolf> launchpad is a pretty nice piece of software, and we haven't seen half of it.
[11:56] <bmonty_laptop> one point on the unmetdeps wiki though....I think everyone should be adding a comment when they change the page to say what package they moved and to what category
[11:57] <mbreit> bmonty_laptop: full ack...
[11:57] <mbreit> if everybody agrees, we should make a note on the page...
[11:57] <bmonty_laptop> I also think we should make the names of the lists a little clearer
[11:58] <bmonty_laptop> i.e. "Done", "Rebuild Only", "Fixes", "Broken"
[11:58] <bmonty_laptop> something like that
[11:58] <mbreit> and "Need review"
[11:58] <mbreit> "Non-MOTU Fixes - Please review and upload" should be changed to that...
[11:58] <bddebian> bmonty_laptop: I am working on that :-)
[11:59] <bmonty_laptop> mbreit: I like that better instead of fixes
[11:59] <bmonty_laptop> if the package goes into the "Need Review" should it also be sent to REVU?
[11:59] <mbreit> because even motus have diffs which need review ;) (see my ickle fix for an example... i don't want to upload it before some other motus agree to it)
[12:00] <mbreit> bmonty_laptop: i don't agree
[12:00] <bddebian> Anyone have a problem with me whacking "External" ?
[12:00] <bmonty_laptop> what does the External list refer to?
[12:00] <bddebian> I don't know that anyone knows?
[12:00] <mbreit> revu does not make sense for fixes... i can NOT review a fix if i don't have a debdiff to see what has been changed
[12:01] <mbreit> revu is for reviews of whole packages.... not for reviewing changes
[12:01] <bmonty_laptop> mbreit: ok
[12:01] <mbreit> (i hope that we can change that with revu2)
[12:01] <bddebian> mbreit: I agree :-)