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yvesCC'est commit12:40
yvesCsorry12:40
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pituxhello06:24
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Burgundaviasalut JaneW 08:00
jsgotangcohey JaneW 08:04
JaneWhi Burgundavia and jsg08:17
JaneWjsgotangco:  even08:17
JaneWgood w/e?08:18
jsgotangconot bad i spoke at the local SFD event08:18
jsgotangconot as flash as the celebration in capetown though08:20
highvoltageJaneW: you at home?08:21
highvoltagethey're going to mention SFD on SABC2 before 9, apparently.08:21
JaneWhighvoltage: yes08:21
JaneWok, I'll go look...08:22
jsgotangcoi've seen the sfd pics in canal walk, they look more like a linuxworld booth than a volunteer event08:22
jsgotangcoand the pics in durbin08:22
highvoltageJaneW: I'd also like to talk to you when you're at the office this week, just some simple edubuntu website stuff (some things i'd like to show you). can you make a few minutes available for me?08:23
JaneWok, I'm in the lounge now...08:23
JaneWgotta love wireless ;)08:23
JaneWjsgotangco: it was pretty cool...08:23
JaneWthere was a laptop streaming a sabdfl video to a TV screen...08:24
JaneWmy kids yelled excitedly, look there's mommy's BOSS!08:24
highvoltageit was actually a dvd playing on hilton's laptop ;)08:24
JaneWhighvoltage: so far I am planning to come in tomorrow08:24
JaneWif not def wed... can I give you a shout when I am there?08:25
JaneWhighvoltage: I loved the security guard just to watch Hilton's laptop ;)08:25
JaneWand Hilton made the Go Open Show's cameraman film me being interviewed by Hilton *cringe*08:25
JaneWI went bowling (read: tequila drinking) on friday night08:26
JaneWso I was in no state to be interviewed ;)08:26
highvoltagehehe08:26
highvoltagei was gone by then. i left 2pm.08:26
JaneWhighvoltage: were you there at all?08:26
highvoltageyep, 9am-2pm.08:26
highvoltagei think i gave out more opencd's than anyone.08:27
highvoltagethere was a stage where i gave out about 30 a minute.08:27
highvoltagei ran in a circle around the booth and gave cd's to anyone who would take them.08:27
JaneWjsgotangco: where are the pics?08:28
jsgotangcohighvoltage, are you going to montreal?08:28
jsgotangcoJaneW, or canal walk?08:28
jsgotangcoat the sfd website08:28
JaneWhighvoltage: I got there before 1pm (or thereabouts)08:29
JaneWoh no I got side tracked by some shops *blushe* it may already have been 2....08:29
JaneWjsgotangco: canal walk08:29
jsgotangcohmm let me find that link08:30
highvoltagejsgotangco: i don't know. haven't contributed much to edubuntu at this stage, i'll be very lucky if i get sponsored :)08:32
highvoltagejsgotangco: you going?08:32
JaneWhighvoltage: watching SABC2 is painful.... are you sure something is still to be shown?08:35
jsgotangcohighvoltage, no08:37
jsgotangcomy sponsorship was declined08:37
jsgotangco(not surprised a bit)08:37
JaneWjsgotangco: I think it's mainly because they are trying to limit numbers (costs) this time...08:38
jsgotangcowe live too far away for sure08:39
highvoltageJaneW of edubuntu: my informant says they will mention it after the news (i'm in torture too here)08:39
JaneWjsgotangco: so I think there are only 20 sponsored spots, and you were compeing against mako etc for them...08:39
jsgotangcohttp://www.go-opensource.org/gallery/SFD2005_CapeTown08:39
jsgotangcolol08:40
highvoltagelol?08:40
jsgotangcocompete against mako08:40
jsgotangcohehe08:40
JaneWthat's now, they are talking about a telescope now, that's at least interesting...08:40
highvoltagehehe08:40
jsgotangcoZA has this huge telescope atm08:41
JaneWSALT08:42
JaneWnice pics - pity the ninja tutle didn;t make it in (my son) ;)08:43
jsgotangcoi have pics myself but im not in the mood to show it because of a bad hair day08:44
JaneWlol08:44
jsgotangcowe were in a sweaty public university08:45
highvoltagehehe08:45
jsgotangcoand like any 3rd world country we used sticks and twigs to burn cds08:46
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highvoltagejsgotangco: hehe, and DVD's!08:50
JaneWlol08:50
JaneWjsgotangco: we have a toaster in this TWC08:50
jsgotangcoyes but you see, your sfd celebrations had a lot of money to begin with08:51
JaneWit's on!08:53
JaneWGo-Open source08:53
JaneWsome guy from CSIR08:54
highvoltageseems like they're going to send the pygmys some opencd's :)08:59
highvoltagenothing about shough :(08:59
JaneWup09:00
JaneWyup09:00
highvoltagenothing about sfd though (sorry, walking and typing)09:00
JaneWyes, wasn't hugely exciting, but at least that guy could talk well and was able to relate OSS to the pygmy insert ;)09:01
JaneWthe more OSS messages that get out there the better09:01
JaneWthe weather is AWESOME here today09:05
=== JaneW is moving edubuntu to GREEN on BreezyGoals ;)
JaneWfinally09:05
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jsgotangcohttp://www.flickr.com/photos/jsgotangco/09:23
jsgotangcosome local sfd photos09:23
JaneWjsgotangco: your wife/partner and daughter are gorgeous :)09:37
jsgotangcoahh thanks09:37
jsgotangcomaybe its time for me to get a haircut09:38
jsgotangcoJaneW, i'm moving all edubuntu docs to the wiki09:39
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JaneWjsgotangco: cool thanks09:42
JaneWjsgotangco: the hair has grown a lot ;)09:43
jsgotangcoyes i need to have it cut or else no sane employer will get me09:44
jsgotangcoi may have to edit again about edubuntu to make it similar to sabdfl's edit09:46
JaneWhuh?09:52
jsgotangcosabdfl edited our About Ubuntu in the last minute09:53
JaneWjsgotangco: oic, I didn't know that...09:54
JaneWjsgotangco: in fact I haven't even seen it yet... 09:54
jsgotangcohttp://doc.ubuntu.com/gnome/about-ubuntu/C/09:55
JaneWta09:56
JaneWjsgotangco: the first subtitle tag seems to be wrong...10:02
JaneWin that it's displayed...?10:02
jsgotangcothat's wrong10:04
jsgotangcoJaneW, it should look something similar to that page10:13
jsgotangcolet me fix this10:13
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JaneWjsgotangco: it there an on-line edubuntu version?10:19
jsgotangcoyes im fixing it atm10:19
jsgotangcothe server generates it automagically10:19
jsgotangcobut i want to put it in our wiki10:19
jsgotangcohence i edited EdubuntuDocumentation10:19
JaneWokie10:49
jsgotangcorebuilding..10:51
jsgotangcowow the rain here is terrible atm10:51
jsgotangcoit can probably fill up a pitcher in 10 minutes10:51
JaneWjsgotangco: the EdubuntuDocumentation page looks much more organised now, thanks11:12
jsgotangcoJaneW, sure i have yet to move the docs though11:13
jsgotangcoand our  wiki doesn't have talk pages :(11:13
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jsgotangcoJaneW, http://www.edubuntu.org/AboutEdubuntu12:12
jsgotangcoJaneW, its not yet done but readable/reviewable12:12
JaneWyay thanks :)12:14
jsgotangcoif we only had talk pages, the cookbook would be easily moved12:14
JaneWwhat are talk pages?12:17
ograand why dont we have them ` 12:17
ogra?12:17
ogra:)12:17
jsgotangcono idea12:17
jsgotangcoi tried it last night12:17
jsgotangcooh wait12:18
jsgotangcowe have them12:18
jsgotangcohmm12:18
jsgotangcoi just left out something12:18
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jsgotangcolet me fix this then12:18
jsgotangcothere12:21
jsgotangcothis will make this more organized12:22
jsgotangcothere12:27
jsgotangcoi'll work more in the wiki from now on and just move to docbook when necessary12:27
jsgotangcoim now going to add ogra's email announcement as a draft of release notes12:29
jsgotangcodone12:34
jsgotangcoi'll just clean it up later12:35
jsgotangcohttp://www.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuDocumentation is already clean12:37
jsgotangcoedit away as needed =)12:37
jsgotangco(only the cookbook needs to be orgnized atm)12:38
jsgotangcobrb12:58
magnonyay01:02
magnonmontreal tickets booked :)01:02
ograyay01:04
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=== JaneW hugs ogra
JaneWhello and thank-you :))01:17
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ogra:)01:17
JaneW*group hug*01:17
ograwe're not done yet :)01:17
ograits just a milestone01:17
JaneWI know, but at least we have progress01:17
JaneW\and a real milestone01:17
JaneWand some acknowledgement from matt01:18
ograwe had progress all the time... it just wasnt visible enough it seems01:18
JaneWthanks for getting the release announcement out01:18
ograyes, we had some long chats with each other :)01:18
JaneWyes I know you were working throughout, but now it's public01:18
ogranp... i still made mistakes :)01:18
JaneWit did look better01:19
ograi'm happy that jelkner made it with his SFD installation :)01:19
ograshould bring us some publicity01:19
JaneWogra: what does this mean?01:47
JaneWogra: I got a German e-mail and can't tell if it is spam or not...01:47
JaneWBesttigen Sie den Empfang01:47
ograforward it ?01:47
ogra"Besttigen Sie den Empfang" means they want a a return reciept01:48
ograJaneW, lol01:52
ograi didnt know they translate the spam to german now :)01:53
JaneWI'll send it to you01:53
ograhe wants to transfer some billion rand to your account ... i just got te same mail01:53
ogra;)01:54
ograJaneW, safe to delete :)01:55
JaneWthought so ;)01:56
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magnonand thereby I have done my democratic duty and voted. 02:05
magnonhooray for election day02:06
highvoltagehmmm... non of the openCD's we received can boot.02:10
JaneWhighvoltage: !!!03:03
JaneWhighvoltage: like ALL those you handed out? *gasp*03:04
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petter_anyone around?03:31
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magnonyes03:43
magnonby all means ;)03:43
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petter_Ooh. nice03:43
petter_I have a question ;)03:44
magnongo ahead03:44
magnonas long as it's not about norwegian politics03:44
petter_haha, no. not at all03:44
highvoltageJaneW: yes :(03:44
magnongoddamn elections :P03:44
petter_i'm just wondering when I can begin to translate edubuntu ;)03:44
petter_and how that's gonna work and all03:45
magnonI'll leave that answer to ogra/jane, but I assume that can be done through rosetta as usual with breezy03:46
magnonexcept documentation I guess03:46
ograyup03:46
magnonpetter_: which in turn means, register at launchpad.net and translate away03:46
ograthere is not much edubuntu specific to translate except the edubuntu docs...03:46
ograthe rest we inherit from ubuntu. so the translation work for apps can be done in rosetta...03:47
petter_okey. cool. So the translation is merged with ubuntu?03:48
magnonno, rosetta translates ubuntu and is then merged with everything else ;)03:48
ograpetter_, yup... ubuntu and edubuntu are identical, except the artwork, docs and default apps03:49
petter_and the default apps for edubuntu are placed togheter with the default apps for ubuntu in rosetta?03:51
petter_that was what I wanted to know ;)03:51
ograis there such a selection ? 03:51
petter_?03:52
ograi dont know... but all apps in main are certainly in rosetta... and all apps we ship are in main ;)03:52
petter_hehe03:55
petter_let's say, I want to translate atomix. 03:55
petter_Is atomix in the same place as the rest of the ubuntu default apps?03:57
ograshould be...03:57
ograi have to go afk for a bit ... brb03:57
petter_k03:57
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Aragorn_Guardianhi all03:58
Aragorn_Guardianedubuntu is stable?03:58
Aragorn_Guardian8)03:58
petter_not yet. The first stable release will be at october 10th I believe03:59
Aragorn_Guardiannice04:02
Aragorn_Guardiani will install ubuntu in a college.04:02
petter_You don't wan't to wait for edubuntu then?04:02
Aragorn_Guardianedubuntu is better for that? i said, there are especific programs for that?04:02
Aragorn_Guardiani wanna edubuntu... i think...04:02
Aragorn_Guardian8)04:03
Aragorn_Guardianmore specific, people will love it04:03
petter_Edubuntu comes with numerous educational and teacher applications04:04
Aragorn_Guardiani am seeing now in site...04:04
Aragorn_Guardiannice job...04:04
Aragorn_Guardiangonna install ubuntu and after edubuntu... 8)04:04
Aragorn_Guardianvery good job...04:04
petter_Is it the first time you try ubuntu?04:05
Aragorn_Guardiani installed one in a server here...04:06
Aragorn_Guardianvery nice...04:06
Aragorn_Guardianedubuntu will be the first time...04:06
petter_Yeah. Ubuntu is nice!04:06
Aragorn_Guardianthanks...gonna out!04:09
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JaneWogra: can you give me the link to your edubuntu screenshot pls?05:03
ograJaneW, sure... http://www.grawert.net/edubuntu/05:03
ograi can put it on people.ubuntu.com if you want it a bit more official05:04
JaneWta05:04
JaneWogra: any chance you can redo shot 3 with an edubuntu wall paper?05:06
ograi can do it with the default one ;)05:06
ograJaneW, http://www.grawert.net/edubuntu/default_bg.png05:15
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magnonfind me some model released kids for montreal and I'll take pictures of them for edubuntu05:23
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magnon;)05:23
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magnonwhat is claire's nick on irc?06:10
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spaceyanyone experience with software raid here?07:40
spaceytrying to install edubuntu with it07:40
spaceybut somehow its only possible to get one really big partition07:41
spaceyi'll try again in half an hour, time for break, bbl07:42
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magnonnoooo08:04
magnonelections leaning towards no edubuntu in norwegian schools in near future :P08:04
DerRobinOhhh ;-/ sorry for that :(08:13
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ddaahi ogra08:23
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talathi can i ask a quesiton 08:31
talat?08:31
DerRobinYou can ask everytime, just state your question, in the most times someone can answer it ;)08:33
talati see a applicaiton in app list name istanbul and i want to learn istanbul have a project page ? 08:34
DerRobinI don't know if this is what you want, but please have a look on: http://live.gnome.org/Istanbul perhaps this solves your problem!n08:35
talatthx08:38
talat:)08:38
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DerRobinYou'r welcome08:39
talatistanbul name is my living city :)08:39
DerRobinOh i see, I was there few years ago in summer time, well pretty hot there ;-)08:40
DerRobin... I've just tested edubuntu and well: I like this project ...08:40
talatsame as you i like edubuntu and maybe i can try to a school08:41
DerRobinMy informatics teacher told me to try following: we were using windows as multiuser-system and well, windows as multiuser-system is like telling a elephant to be a mice... so he thought about putting some linux computer beside these windows systems to give the pupil the possibility to try editing there text documents and so on with linux and he told me to search for the perfect distribution for this project and I think I found it here ;)08:45
ograhey ddaa08:45
ograhi all08:45
talati want to help this project but i dont do anything 08:46
DerRobinohhh the ogra is back again... I think I've to go now...08:46
ddaahey ogra, seen any of freeduc/ofset recently?08:46
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ograddaa, not to my particular knowledge, i speak to many people in here though, nobody hat specifically pointed out to be from freeduc/ofset08:47
ograhad even08:48
talathi ogra i want to write documention how can i start ?08:49
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ogratalat, try to gethold of jsgotango, he and Burgundavia are our docteam :)08:50
talatok ogra 08:50
mpttalat: #ubuntu-doc is the channel for organizing documentation08:54
DerRobin[I just found out: "Cats In The Cradle" is not made by "Cat Stevens". "Harry Chapin" wrote the song...] 09:00
spaceylots of filesystem choices these days,... what would be most suitable for a terminal server..09:02
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spaceyinstaller has a lot of moments when you have no clue what is going on and you just hope it is still working09:24
spaceyno status information whatsoever09:24
ograspacey, in the ltsp chroot building ? 09:25
spaceyogra, i think it should be formatting now09:25
spaceyanyway it is right after writing partition stuff away09:25
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spaceyogra, well at least it didn't hang. but no info on screen for half an hour i think. but it continued now09:46
ograwhile partitioning ???09:47
PetarisDoes someone have a few minutes to take a gander at a script for me?  I need to know if there is any major flaws in it before I test it?09:51
PetarisIts pretty short09:52
spaceyogra, thats my guess09:56
spaceynow it hangs on validating base-config09:56
ograspacey, the installer tells you eactly what its doing09:56
spaceyogra only had blue screen, nothing on it09:56
ograbut it shouldnt hang or be this slow.. what kind of hardware is that ?09:57
spaceyi'll give it some time, gonna watch a movie and check if its went on09:57
spaceyogra, p4 3.2ghz, 4gb ram09:57
spaceytwo 200gb sata hd's in software raid109:57
ograhmm... forammting so much space can take its time :) ... but if the rest (except the ltsp install) goes this slow, there is something wrong09:58
spaceyogra, could be, dma off?09:59
ograshouldnt...09:59
spaceyogra, when i do ps aux i see different kind of packages being installed10:00
spaceyso maybe the screen is just not updating10:00
ograwhats written on the screen, where does it hang ?10:01
spaceyoh now i switched back it the installer also reports another package10:01
spaceywell its at 6% now10:01
spaceyand have seen validating base-install for 15 min, and it just hopped to bin-utils and now libc610:01
spaceybeing validated10:02
ograif thats tty1 you are talking about, then it looks like your DMA is off... :/10:04
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|LnX|hi10:09
PetarisIf someone has a minute could they take a look at this and see if there are any obvious problems with it?  http://phpfi.com/7817910:11
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spaceyogra, that is quite bad 10:13
spaceyany idea's on that? besides waiting for 2 days to finish install10:13
ograPetaris, that doesnt work, you have to put the users array above the for loop10:15
spaceywould be bad if we couldn't deploy this server because linux can't do dma ;x10:15
ograspacey, the CD has several special boot options, look if one applies for you10:16
spaceyany known problems with intel boards?10:17
ogranope10:17
ograbugzilla.ubuntu.com might have something...10:18
ograPetaris, and you wnat to chown the current dir 25 times ? 10:19
Petarisogra: I want to chown the copied contents in each of the user directories to that user10:20
ograPetaris, then you should either cd into that dir or give the patchhe chown/chgrp commands10:21
ogragrrr10:21
ogras/patchhe/path to the/10:21
Petarisso chown /home/$user ?10:22
ograyup, smoething like that... else you chown the dir you run the script in10:22
Petariswill the chown/chgrp commands change hidden files/directories with just the * specified?10:23
ogratry it ? 10:24
Petarishttp://phpfi.com/7818310:24
Petarislike that10:24
ograbut it should work with the -R switch10:24
ograrather chown -R $user /home/$user/*10:25
ograand i think you can even make it chown -R $user /home/$user10:25
ogra-R means recursive10:26
Petarishrm10:26
spaceywell already at 10%10:27
spaceyhehe10:27
spaceymight as well wait10:27
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spaceyas long as it works when installed10:27
spaceyif one of my collegues messed up this install i'll beat them to death >:D10:28
Petarishrrmmm10:28
Petarischgrp groupname * doesn't work on hidden files and folders10:29
ogramake it the same as the chown command...10:29
Petarischown doesn't work either10:31
ograwithout the wildcard ? 10:32
PetarisHey, that worked10:33
Petariswoohoo10:34
ogra:)10:34
magnonrgh.10:36
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magnonI hate elections10:36
PetarisBy golly, I think I've got it10:38
PetarisNow I just have to see if the array works10:39
Petarisogra: do you see anything that might make the array not work?10:41
PetarisDid I setup the for users in ${users[@] } correctly for it to cycle through each one?10:42
Petarisand to stop at the end10:43
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ograspacey, great...10:45
spaceydidn't take that long10:46
ograPetaris, just comment the normal commands, add an echo "$user" and see if it works :)10:46
Petarisright10:47
spaceymaybe it was my crappy old cdrom drive which made it slow10:47
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Petarisogra: do I need every instance of $user to be inside quotes?10:49
Petarisecho worked BTW10:49
ograit should work without quotes10:50
Petarisok10:51
Petarishttp://phpfi.com/7818910:52
PetarisSo that is the script then10:52
Petariswith the actuall commands uncommented of course10:52
ogralooks ok10:52
Petarisright then10:53
Petarisoff to try it on the real server now10:53
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spaceyogra, besides some error at the end of the installation about some problems (with no further) info everything seems to work perfectly. edubuntu is really cute btw :)11:05
ograthanks :) what was the error ? there shouldnt have been one11:05
spaceywell the one in the last part of the installation didn't specify but when i updated ltsp-standalone gave some errors11:09
ograhmm, did you use the suggested default ip from EdubuntuTesting ?11:11
ograi'm working on generating the dhcp.conf file from the IP but currently the default ip from the doc should be used...11:11
ograelse ltsp-server-standalone will have a problem starting the dhcpd for the thin clients11:12
spaceyno i didn't read Edubuntu testing, just popped in the cd11:14
spaceybut i can't take that ip anyway because i have another ip range on this location11:14
spaceyand there is already another dhcp server here as well11:15
spaceytoo bad that the patch that won't show administrative tasks for normal users didn't get in :(11:15
ograi think it is in already, but app apps have to get adjusted .desktop files for it11:16
spaceywell anyway a nonsudo user has all the admin stuff still in his panel11:17
spaceyand it can also access the cd11:17
ograthe patch just reads a field from that file... is it set (i.e. is it a admin tool) the entry isnt shown to normal users11:17
spaceyeven though i said it couldn't when adding the user11:17
spaceyogra, ah 11:17
spaceyogra, will that get fixed in the upcoming weeks?11:17
spacey(i hope so)11:18
ograthats a a  bug then, file it in bugzilla... (the cdrom thing) 11:18
ogracould you do a ls -l /dev/cdrom ?11:18
spacey /dev/hda had root:plugdev rw-r---11:19
spaceyhas11:20
spaceyand the account is not in the group plugdev :S11:20
spaceywierd? because of hal? i have no clue, from what i understand the different privilegdes just add users to the groups corresponding 11:23
ograah, thats an udev bug then11:24
ograit should be in the grop cdrom11:25
ograi think i saw the fix on the changes mailing list yesterday, upgrade your udev and it should work11:25
spaceyguess it should already be upgraded11:27
spaceyi'll check after reboot, needs to load new kernel anyway11:27
spaceyogra, not fixed11:32
spaceynot yet at least11:32
ogracould you dpkg -l udev ?11:33
ogra0.060-1ubuntu12 :  extra/permissions.rules: Reorder change from previous version so that11:33
ogra     CD-ROMs keep cdrom/0660 instead of plugdev/0640. (Ubuntu #15098)11:33
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Petariswoohoo!  It worked on the server11:43
ogra:)11:43
PetarisThanks for your help ogra11:43
ograyoure welcome :)11:43
PetarisI'm off11:43
PetarisBye all11:43
spaceyogra, udev           0.060-1ubuntu111:55
ogra-1ubuntu1 ??11:55
ograthat cant be...11:55
spaceyresized window now11:56
spacey1ubuntu1211:56
ograhmm, then it doesn fix it... is it still plugdev ? 11:56
spaceynope cdrom11:57
spaceybrw-rw----  1 root cdrom 11:57
ograthat looks ok11:57
spaceyyeah but i can still access the cdrom11:58
ograhmm, our udev guy is already gone for today, i cant ask him about it :/12:00
ograthe user isnt in the cdrom group ? 12:00
spaceyits not12:01
ograbut he can mount/umount the CD ?12:02
ograthats really strange12:02
spaceylet me check12:02
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spaceythe usr can't eject12:03
BubbleflyHi, kids~12:03

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