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[08:18] not bad i spoke at the local SFD event [08:20] not as flash as the celebration in capetown though [08:21] JaneW: you at home? [08:21] they're going to mention SFD on SABC2 before 9, apparently. [08:21] highvoltage: yes [08:22] ok, I'll go look... [08:22] i've seen the sfd pics in canal walk, they look more like a linuxworld booth than a volunteer event [08:22] and the pics in durbin [08:23] JaneW: I'd also like to talk to you when you're at the office this week, just some simple edubuntu website stuff (some things i'd like to show you). can you make a few minutes available for me? [08:23] ok, I'm in the lounge now... [08:23] gotta love wireless ;) [08:23] jsgotangco: it was pretty cool... [08:24] there was a laptop streaming a sabdfl video to a TV screen... [08:24] my kids yelled excitedly, look there's mommy's BOSS! [08:24] it was actually a dvd playing on hilton's laptop ;) [08:24] highvoltage: so far I am planning to come in tomorrow [08:25] if not def wed... can I give you a shout when I am there? [08:25] highvoltage: I loved the security guard just to watch Hilton's laptop ;) [08:25] and Hilton made the Go Open Show's cameraman film me being interviewed by Hilton *cringe* [08:26] I went bowling (read: tequila drinking) on friday night [08:26] so I was in no state to be interviewed ;) [08:26] hehe [08:26] i was gone by then. i left 2pm. [08:26] highvoltage: were you there at all? [08:26] yep, 9am-2pm. [08:27] i think i gave out more opencd's than anyone. [08:27] there was a stage where i gave out about 30 a minute. [08:27] i ran in a circle around the booth and gave cd's to anyone who would take them. [08:28] jsgotangco: where are the pics? [08:28] highvoltage, are you going to montreal? [08:28] JaneW, or canal walk? [08:28] at the sfd website [08:29] highvoltage: I got there before 1pm (or thereabouts) [08:29] oh no I got side tracked by some shops *blushe* it may already have been 2.... [08:29] jsgotangco: canal walk [08:30] hmm let me find that link [08:32] jsgotangco: i don't know. haven't contributed much to edubuntu at this stage, i'll be very lucky if i get sponsored :) [08:32] jsgotangco: you going? [08:35] highvoltage: watching SABC2 is painful.... are you sure something is still to be shown? [08:37] highvoltage, no [08:37] my sponsorship was declined [08:37] (not surprised a bit) [08:38] jsgotangco: I think it's mainly because they are trying to limit numbers (costs) this time... [08:39] we live too far away for sure [08:39] JaneW of edubuntu: my informant says they will mention it after the news (i'm in torture too here) [08:39] jsgotangco: so I think there are only 20 sponsored spots, and you were compeing against mako etc for them... [08:39] http://www.go-opensource.org/gallery/SFD2005_CapeTown [08:40] lol [08:40] lol? [08:40] compete against mako [08:40] hehe [08:40] that's now, they are talking about a telescope now, that's at least interesting... [08:40] hehe [08:41] ZA has this huge telescope atm [08:42] SALT [08:43] nice pics - pity the ninja tutle didn;t make it in (my son) ;) [08:44] i have pics myself but im not in the mood to show it because of a bad hair day [08:44] lol [08:45] we were in a sweaty public university [08:45] hehe [08:46] and like any 3rd world country we used sticks and twigs to burn cds === guim [n=glederer@104.241-200-80.adsl-fix.skynet.be] has joined #edubuntu [08:50] jsgotangco: hehe, and DVD's! [08:50] lol [08:50] jsgotangco: we have a toaster in this TWC [08:51] yes but you see, your sfd celebrations had a lot of money to begin with [08:53] it's on! [08:53] Go-Open source [08:54] some guy from CSIR [08:59] seems like they're going to send the pygmys some opencd's :) [08:59] nothing about shough :( [09:00] up [09:00] yup [09:00] nothing about sfd though (sorry, walking and typing) [09:01] yes, wasn't hugely exciting, but at least that guy could talk well and was able to relate OSS to the pygmy insert ;) [09:01] the more OSS messages that get out there the better [09:05] the weather is AWESOME here today === JaneW is moving edubuntu to GREEN on BreezyGoals ;) [09:05] finally === guim [n=glederer@104.241-200-80.adsl-fix.skynet.be] has joined #edubuntu === guim [n=glederer@104.241-200-80.adsl-fix.skynet.be] has joined #edubuntu [09:23] http://www.flickr.com/photos/jsgotangco/ [09:23] some local sfd photos [09:37] jsgotangco: your wife/partner and daughter are gorgeous :) [09:37] ahh thanks [09:38] maybe its time for me to get a haircut [09:39] JaneW, i'm moving all edubuntu docs to the wiki === pere_Zzzzz is now known as pere [09:42] jsgotangco: cool thanks [09:43] jsgotangco: the hair has grown a lot ;) [09:44] yes i need to have it cut or else no sane employer will get me [09:46] i may have to edit again about edubuntu to make it similar to sabdfl's edit [09:52] huh? [09:53] sabdfl edited our About Ubuntu in the last minute [09:54] jsgotangco: oic, I didn't know that... [09:54] jsgotangco: in fact I haven't even seen it yet... [09:55] http://doc.ubuntu.com/gnome/about-ubuntu/C/ [09:56] ta [10:02] jsgotangco: the first subtitle tag seems to be wrong... [10:02] in that it's displayed...? [10:04] that's wrong [10:13] JaneW, it should look something similar to that page [10:13] let me fix this === guim [n=glederer@104.241-200-80.adsl-fix.skynet.be] has joined #edubuntu [10:19] jsgotangco: it there an on-line edubuntu version? [10:19] yes im fixing it atm [10:19] the server generates it automagically [10:19] but i want to put it in our wiki [10:19] hence i edited EdubuntuDocumentation [10:49] okie [10:51] rebuilding.. [10:51] wow the rain here is terrible atm [10:51] it can probably fill up a pitcher in 10 minutes [11:12] jsgotangco: the EdubuntuDocumentation page looks much more organised now, thanks [11:13] JaneW, sure i have yet to move the docs though [11:13] and our wiki doesn't have talk pages :( === guim [n=glederer@104.241-200-80.adsl-fix.skynet.be] has joined #edubuntu === yvesC [n=yves@81.56.207.189] has joined #edubuntu === pere_gone is now known as pere [12:12] JaneW, http://www.edubuntu.org/AboutEdubuntu [12:12] JaneW, its not yet done but readable/reviewable [12:14] yay thanks :) [12:14] if we only had talk pages, the cookbook would be easily moved [12:17] what are talk pages? [12:17] and why dont we have them ` [12:17] ? [12:17] :) [12:17] no idea [12:17] i tried it last night [12:18] oh wait [12:18] we have them [12:18] hmm [12:18] i just left out something === guim [n=glederer@104.241-200-80.adsl-fix.skynet.be] has joined #edubuntu [12:18] let me fix this then [12:21] there [12:22] this will make this more organized [12:27] there [12:27] i'll work more in the wiki from now on and just move to docbook when necessary [12:29] im now going to add ogra's email announcement as a draft of release notes [12:34] done [12:35] i'll just clean it up later [12:37] http://www.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuDocumentation is already clean [12:37] edit away as needed =) [12:38] (only the cookbook needs to be orgnized atm) [12:58] brb [01:02] yay [01:02] montreal tickets booked :) [01:04] yay === guim [n=glederer@104.241-200-80.adsl-fix.skynet.be] has joined #edubuntu === JaneW hugs ogra [01:17] hello and thank-you :)) === ogra hugs JaneW [01:17] :) [01:17] *group hug* [01:17] we're not done yet :) [01:17] its just a milestone [01:17] I know, but at least we have progress [01:17] \and a real milestone [01:18] and some acknowledgement from matt [01:18] we had progress all the time... it just wasnt visible enough it seems [01:18] thanks for getting the release announcement out [01:18] yes, we had some long chats with each other :) [01:18] yes I know you were working throughout, but now it's public [01:18] np... i still made mistakes :) [01:19] it did look better [01:19] i'm happy that jelkner made it with his SFD installation :) [01:19] should bring us some publicity [01:47] ogra: what does this mean? [01:47] ogra: I got a German e-mail and can't tell if it is spam or not... [01:47] Besttigen Sie den Empfang [01:47] forward it ? [01:48] "Besttigen Sie den Empfang" means they want a a return reciept [01:52] JaneW, lol [01:53] i didnt know they translate the spam to german now :) [01:53] I'll send it to you [01:53] he wants to transfer some billion rand to your account ... i just got te same mail [01:54] ;) [01:55] JaneW, safe to delete :) [01:56] thought so ;) === guim [n=glederer@104.241-200-80.adsl-fix.skynet.be] has joined #edubuntu [02:05] and thereby I have done my democratic duty and voted. [02:06] hooray for election day [02:10] hmmm... non of the openCD's we received can boot. [03:03] highvoltage: !!! [03:04] highvoltage: like ALL those you handed out? *gasp* === JaneW will be biab === guim [n=glederer@104.241-200-80.adsl-fix.skynet.be] has joined #edubuntu === ogra [n=ogra@p5089D39B.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #edubuntu === petter_ [n=petter@h6510a.sb.bostream.se] has joined #edubuntu [03:31] anyone around? === Log-OS [n=Log-OS@194.84.5.222] has left #edubuntu [] [03:43] yes [03:43] by all means ;) === P3L|C4N0 [n=gcamposm@200.121.196.115] has joined #edubuntu [03:43] Ooh. nice [03:44] I have a question ;) [03:44] go ahead [03:44] as long as it's not about norwegian politics [03:44] haha, no. not at all [03:44] JaneW: yes :( [03:44] goddamn elections :P [03:44] i'm just wondering when I can begin to translate edubuntu ;) [03:45] and how that's gonna work and all [03:46] I'll leave that answer to ogra/jane, but I assume that can be done through rosetta as usual with breezy [03:46] except documentation I guess [03:46] yup [03:46] petter_: which in turn means, register at launchpad.net and translate away [03:46] there is not much edubuntu specific to translate except the edubuntu docs... [03:47] the rest we inherit from ubuntu. so the translation work for apps can be done in rosetta... [03:48] okey. cool. So the translation is merged with ubuntu? [03:48] no, rosetta translates ubuntu and is then merged with everything else ;) [03:49] petter_, yup... ubuntu and edubuntu are identical, except the artwork, docs and default apps [03:51] and the default apps for edubuntu are placed togheter with the default apps for ubuntu in rosetta? [03:51] that was what I wanted to know ;) [03:51] is there such a selection ? [03:52] ? [03:52] i dont know... but all apps in main are certainly in rosetta... and all apps we ship are in main ;) [03:55] hehe [03:55] let's say, I want to translate atomix. [03:57] Is atomix in the same place as the rest of the ubuntu default apps? [03:57] should be... [03:57] i have to go afk for a bit ... brb [03:57] k === Aragorn_Guardian [n=Aragorn_@200.166.232.10] has joined #edubuntu [03:58] hi all [03:58] edubuntu is stable? [03:58] 8) [03:59] not yet. The first stable release will be at october 10th I believe [04:02] nice [04:02] i will install ubuntu in a college. [04:02] You don't wan't to wait for edubuntu then? [04:02] edubuntu is better for that? i said, there are especific programs for that? [04:02] i wanna edubuntu... i think... [04:03] 8) [04:03] more specific, people will love it [04:04] Edubuntu comes with numerous educational and teacher applications [04:04] i am seeing now in site... [04:04] nice job... [04:04] gonna install ubuntu and after edubuntu... 8) [04:04] very good job... [04:05] Is it the first time you try ubuntu? [04:06] i installed one in a server here... [04:06] very nice... [04:06] edubuntu will be the first time... [04:06] Yeah. Ubuntu is nice! [04:09] thanks...gonna out! === Seveas [n=seveas@seveas.demon.nl] has joined #edubuntu === mpt [n=mpt@200-171-140-32.dsl.telesp.net.br] has joined #edubuntu [05:03] ogra: can you give me the link to your edubuntu screenshot pls? [05:03] JaneW, sure... http://www.grawert.net/edubuntu/ [05:04] i can put it on people.ubuntu.com if you want it a bit more official [05:04] ta [05:06] ogra: any chance you can redo shot 3 with an edubuntu wall paper? [05:06] i can do it with the default one ;) [05:15] JaneW, http://www.grawert.net/edubuntu/default_bg.png === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.7.130.247] has joined #edubuntu === Seveas [n=seveas@seveas.demon.nl] has joined #edubuntu [05:23] find me some model released kids for montreal and I'll take pictures of them for edubuntu === magnon does freelance photography [05:23] ;) === ogra [n=ogra@p5089D39B.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #edubuntu === mpt [n=mpt@200-171-140-32.dsl.telesp.net.br] has joined #edubuntu [06:10] what is claire's nick on irc? === poningru [n=poningru@n128-227-146-198.xlate.ufl.edu] has joined #edubuntu === Burgundavia [n=corey@S0106000000cc07fc.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #edubuntu === yvesC [n=yves@81.56.207.189] has joined #edubuntu === bdoin [n=coudoin@bla31-1-82-228-70-121.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #edubuntu === Ivarix [i=ivarix@62.84.27.108] has joined #edubuntu === Ivarix back === Ivarix [i=ivarix@62.84.27.108] has left #edubuntu [] === Belutz [n=Belutz@202.155.150.76] has joined #edubuntu === spacey [n=spacey@flits101-191.flits.rug.nl] has joined #edubuntu === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.7.130.247] has joined #edubuntu [07:40] anyone experience with software raid here? [07:40] trying to install edubuntu with it [07:41] but somehow its only possible to get one really big partition [07:42] i'll try again in half an hour, time for break, bbl === DerRobin [i=Robin@p5489FCD4.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #edubuntu === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.7.130.247] has joined #edubuntu [08:04] noooo [08:04] elections leaning towards no edubuntu in norwegian schools in near future :P [08:13] Ohhh ;-/ sorry for that :( === ddaa [n=ddaa@ordo.xlii.org] has joined #edubuntu [08:23] hi ogra === talat [n=talat@81.213.180.227] has joined #edubuntu [08:31] hi can i ask a quesiton [08:31] ? [08:33] You can ask everytime, just state your question, in the most times someone can answer it ;) [08:34] i see a applicaiton in app list name istanbul and i want to learn istanbul have a project page ? [08:35] I don't know if this is what you want, but please have a look on: http://live.gnome.org/Istanbul perhaps this solves your problem!n [08:38] thx [08:38] :) === bdoin [n=coudoin@bla31-1-82-228-70-121.fbx.proxad.net] has left #edubuntu ["Client] [08:39] You'r welcome [08:39] istanbul name is my living city :) [08:40] Oh i see, I was there few years ago in summer time, well pretty hot there ;-) [08:40] ... I've just tested edubuntu and well: I like this project ... [08:41] same as you i like edubuntu and maybe i can try to a school [08:45] My informatics teacher told me to try following: we were using windows as multiuser-system and well, windows as multiuser-system is like telling a elephant to be a mice... so he thought about putting some linux computer beside these windows systems to give the pupil the possibility to try editing there text documents and so on with linux and he told me to search for the perfect distribution for this project and I think I found it here ;) [08:45] hey ddaa [08:45] hi all [08:46] i want to help this project but i dont do anything [08:46] ohhh the ogra is back again... I think I've to go now... [08:46] hey ogra, seen any of freeduc/ofset recently? === ddaa -> dinner [08:47] ddaa, not to my particular knowledge, i speak to many people in here though, nobody hat specifically pointed out to be from freeduc/ofset [08:48] had even [08:49] hi ogra i want to write documention how can i start ? === pere is now known as pere_gone [08:50] talat, try to gethold of jsgotango, he and Burgundavia are our docteam :) [08:50] ok ogra [08:54] talat: #ubuntu-doc is the channel for organizing documentation [09:00] [I just found out: "Cats In The Cradle" is not made by "Cat Stevens". "Harry Chapin" wrote the song...] [09:02] lots of filesystem choices these days,... what would be most suitable for a terminal server.. === Belutz [n=Belutz@202.155.150.76] has left #edubuntu ["Leaving"] [09:24] installer has a lot of moments when you have no clue what is going on and you just hope it is still working [09:24] no status information whatsoever [09:25] spacey, in the ltsp chroot building ? [09:25] ogra, i think it should be formatting now [09:25] anyway it is right after writing partition stuff away === mpt [n=mpt@200-171-140-32.dsl.telesp.net.br] has joined #edubuntu === Petaris [n=Petaris@FredericSD-162.nat.wiscnet.net] has joined #edubuntu [09:46] ogra, well at least it didn't hang. but no info on screen for half an hour i think. but it continued now [09:47] while partitioning ??? [09:51] Does someone have a few minutes to take a gander at a script for me? I need to know if there is any major flaws in it before I test it? [09:52] Its pretty short [09:56] ogra, thats my guess [09:56] now it hangs on validating base-config [09:56] spacey, the installer tells you eactly what its doing [09:56] ogra only had blue screen, nothing on it [09:57] but it shouldnt hang or be this slow.. what kind of hardware is that ? [09:57] i'll give it some time, gonna watch a movie and check if its went on [09:57] ogra, p4 3.2ghz, 4gb ram [09:57] two 200gb sata hd's in software raid1 [09:58] hmm... forammting so much space can take its time :) ... but if the rest (except the ltsp install) goes this slow, there is something wrong [09:59] ogra, could be, dma off? [09:59] shouldnt... [10:00] ogra, when i do ps aux i see different kind of packages being installed [10:00] so maybe the screen is just not updating [10:01] whats written on the screen, where does it hang ? [10:01] oh now i switched back it the installer also reports another package [10:01] well its at 6% now [10:01] and have seen validating base-install for 15 min, and it just hopped to bin-utils and now libc6 [10:02] being validated [10:04] if thats tty1 you are talking about, then it looks like your DMA is off... :/ === |LnX| [n=LnX@lns-vlq-39f-81-56-143-132.adsl.proxad.net] has joined #edubuntu [10:09] <|LnX|> hi [10:11] If someone has a minute could they take a look at this and see if there are any obvious problems with it? http://phpfi.com/78179 === LinuxJones [n=willy@blk-222-89-108.eastlink.ca] has joined #edubuntu [10:13] ogra, that is quite bad [10:13] any idea's on that? besides waiting for 2 days to finish install [10:15] Petaris, that doesnt work, you have to put the users array above the for loop [10:15] would be bad if we couldn't deploy this server because linux can't do dma ;x [10:16] spacey, the CD has several special boot options, look if one applies for you [10:17] any known problems with intel boards? [10:17] nope [10:18] bugzilla.ubuntu.com might have something... [10:19] Petaris, and you wnat to chown the current dir 25 times ? [10:20] ogra: I want to chown the copied contents in each of the user directories to that user [10:21] Petaris, then you should either cd into that dir or give the patchhe chown/chgrp commands [10:21] grrr [10:21] s/patchhe/path to the/ [10:22] so chown /home/$user ? [10:22] yup, smoething like that... else you chown the dir you run the script in [10:23] will the chown/chgrp commands change hidden files/directories with just the * specified? [10:24] try it ? [10:24] http://phpfi.com/78183 [10:24] like that [10:24] but it should work with the -R switch [10:25] rather chown -R $user /home/$user/* [10:25] and i think you can even make it chown -R $user /home/$user [10:26] -R means recursive [10:26] hrm [10:27] well already at 10% [10:27] hehe [10:27] might as well wait === spacey afraid that boot parameters wont help and he has to do it all over again [10:27] as long as it works when installed [10:28] if one of my collegues messed up this install i'll beat them to death >:D [10:28] hrrmmm [10:29] chgrp groupname * doesn't work on hidden files and folders [10:29] make it the same as the chown command... [10:31] chown doesn't work either [10:32] without the wildcard ? [10:33] Hey, that worked [10:34] woohoo [10:34] :) [10:36] rgh. === magnon curses [10:36] I hate elections [10:38] By golly, I think I've got it [10:39] Now I just have to see if the array works [10:41] ogra: do you see anything that might make the array not work? [10:42] Did I setup the for users in ${users[@] } correctly for it to cycle through each one? [10:43] and to stop at the end === Petaris has written a few scripts that looped for ever (by accident of course) === spacey building ltsp chroot now [10:45] spacey, great... [10:46] didn't take that long [10:46] Petaris, just comment the normal commands, add an echo "$user" and see if it works :) [10:47] right [10:47] maybe it was my crappy old cdrom drive which made it slow === Seveas [n=seveas@seveas.demon.nl] has joined #edubuntu [10:49] ogra: do I need every instance of $user to be inside quotes? [10:49] echo worked BTW [10:50] it should work without quotes [10:51] ok [10:52] http://phpfi.com/78189 [10:52] So that is the script then [10:52] with the actuall commands uncommented of course [10:52] looks ok [10:53] right then [10:53] off to try it on the real server now === ddaa [n=ddaa@ordo.xlii.org] has left #edubuntu [] [11:05] ogra, besides some error at the end of the installation about some problems (with no further) info everything seems to work perfectly. edubuntu is really cute btw :) [11:05] thanks :) what was the error ? there shouldnt have been one [11:09] well the one in the last part of the installation didn't specify but when i updated ltsp-standalone gave some errors [11:11] hmm, did you use the suggested default ip from EdubuntuTesting ? [11:11] i'm working on generating the dhcp.conf file from the IP but currently the default ip from the doc should be used... [11:12] else ltsp-server-standalone will have a problem starting the dhcpd for the thin clients [11:14] no i didn't read Edubuntu testing, just popped in the cd [11:14] but i can't take that ip anyway because i have another ip range on this location [11:15] and there is already another dhcp server here as well [11:15] too bad that the patch that won't show administrative tasks for normal users didn't get in :( [11:16] i think it is in already, but app apps have to get adjusted .desktop files for it [11:17] well anyway a nonsudo user has all the admin stuff still in his panel [11:17] and it can also access the cd [11:17] the patch just reads a field from that file... is it set (i.e. is it a admin tool) the entry isnt shown to normal users [11:17] even though i said it couldn't when adding the user [11:17] ogra, ah [11:17] ogra, will that get fixed in the upcoming weeks? [11:18] (i hope so) [11:18] thats a a bug then, file it in bugzilla... (the cdrom thing) [11:18] could you do a ls -l /dev/cdrom ? [11:19] /dev/hda had root:plugdev rw-r--- [11:20] has [11:20] and the account is not in the group plugdev :S [11:23] wierd? because of hal? i have no clue, from what i understand the different privilegdes just add users to the groups corresponding [11:24] ah, thats an udev bug then [11:25] it should be in the grop cdrom [11:25] i think i saw the fix on the changes mailing list yesterday, upgrade your udev and it should work [11:27] guess it should already be upgraded [11:27] i'll check after reboot, needs to load new kernel anyway [11:32] ogra, not fixed [11:32] not yet at least [11:33] could you dpkg -l udev ? [11:33] 0.060-1ubuntu12 : extra/permissions.rules: Reorder change from previous version so that [11:33] CD-ROMs keep cdrom/0660 instead of plugdev/0640. (Ubuntu #15098) === TimM [n=non@mail.wlpl.org] has joined #edubuntu [11:43]