| mdke | but the docs are built and you can see them previewed on our server at http://doc.ubuntu.com | 12:02 |
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| segfault | i know, i was just playing around with the docs after translated | 12:07 |
| mdke | --> bed | 12:09 |
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| Madpilot | hi robitaille | 02:25 |
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| robitaille | hello Madpilot | 02:25 |
| Madpilot | who's in charge of the actual Ubuntu.com website? | 02:25 |
| Madpilot | it was just mentioned over on #ubuntu that the Download page puts Breezy first, and Hoary right off the bottom of the screen | 02:26 |
| Madpilot | (even on a 1280x1024 screen like mine...) which is not very cool. | 02:26 |
| Madpilot | http://www.ubuntu.com/download/ | 02:26 |
| _tshah | Lol, most people will probably end up downloading the "preview" by mistake | 02:28 |
| Madpilot | exactly | 02:29 |
| _tshah | On that note, http://www.kubuntu.org/ has some issues too | 02:33 |
| _tshah | First of all, the "Download" link is at the bottom | 02:33 |
| Madpilot | what do you expect from a bunch of KDE users? :) | 02:33 |
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| _tshah | Second of all, the "Install CD" and the "Live CD" are the same link | 02:34 |
| Madpilot | _tshah: that's because they're all on the same mirrors together | 02:35 |
| _tshah | Yeah, so why give the user two links? | 02:35 |
| Madpilot | to point out that they're different things, I guess | 02:36 |
| _tshah | Yeah, but then the user has to "decide" again after they click on it | 02:36 |
| Madpilot | true | 02:36 |
| Madpilot | re-organizing the servers & mirrors is going to be a post-Breezy thing, though... | 02:37 |
| _tshah | based on this: http://releases.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/ I don't know if there will be any large re-structuing | 02:39 |
| Madpilot | yeah | 02:39 |
| Madpilot | I have no idea if there is a server/mirror re-org planned - I rather doubt it - but there is the LiveCD vs InstallCD thing you've noticed | 02:40 |
| Riddell | _tshah: if you want to play around with the layout of kubuntu.org that would be great, been on my TODO list for ages | 02:40 |
| _tshah | ok, gg; see ya | 02:47 |
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| robitaille | Madpilot, in the past I have filled bug reports against the web site in the bugzilla | 02:51 |
| robitaille | Henrik Nilsen Omma was involved for a while with the web site...not sure if that's still the case | 02:53 |
| Madpilot | robitaille: OK, thanks | 02:53 |
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| jsgotangco | hey all | 04:26 |
| Madpilot | hi | 04:26 |
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| jsgotangco | hey Burgundavia | 04:27 |
| Burgundavia | salut jsgotangco | 04:28 |
| Madpilot | hi Burgundavia | 04:30 |
| Burgundavia | salut Madpilot | 04:30 |
| Madpilot | all ready for your VLUG talk on Tuesday evening? | 04:30 |
| Burgundavia | nope | 04:31 |
| Burgundavia | need to write my talk tonight | 04:31 |
| Madpilot | ! | 04:32 |
| Burgundavia | I already know what I am going to talk about, just need to write it down | 04:32 |
| Madpilot | doing Powerpointy stuff to? | 04:32 |
| Burgundavia | ya | 04:32 |
| Madpilot | so you're swearing about Impress all over again, I bet... | 04:33 |
| jsgotangco | Impress 2.0 is actually good | 04:33 |
| Burgundavia | indeec | 04:33 |
| Burgundavia | d | 04:33 |
| jsgotangco | the problem is that it still cannot handle transparencies well | 04:33 |
| jsgotangco | but that is an evince issue | 04:34 |
| Burgundavia | well, looks like I have tomorrow night as well | 04:34 |
| Burgundavia | as gaming just got cancelled | 04:34 |
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| jsgotangco | Burgundavia, have you seen the draft release notes | 04:38 |
| Burgundavia | jsgotangco, haven't had time to look at them | 04:38 |
| jsgotangco | ah yes | 05:22 |
| Burgundavia | jsgotangco, ? | 05:23 |
| jsgotangco | you've been busy | 05:26 |
| Burgundavia | work is eating a huge amount of my time | 05:27 |
| Burgundavia | but I have three days off later this week | 05:27 |
| Burgundavia | I hate to delay the quicktour until then, but I don't see any other optin | 05:28 |
| jsgotangco | im gonna make sure these release notes get done by this week | 05:30 |
| Burgundavia | cool | 05:31 |
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| jeffsch | jsgotangco: ping | 08:01 |
| Burgundavia | salut jeffsch | 08:02 |
| Burgundavia | jeffsch, you going to UBZ? | 08:02 |
| jsgotangco | jeffsch, hi | 08:02 |
| jeffsch | Burgundavia: nope. no time. no money. | 08:02 |
| jeffsch | :( | 08:02 |
| Burgundavia | ah | 08:03 |
| jsgotangco | jeffsch, pong? | 08:03 |
| jeffsch | jsgotangco: i didn't get a chance to look at the makefile for edubuntu | 08:03 |
| jeffsch | actually, that's not exactly true... | 08:03 |
| jsgotangco | jeffsch, no worries i'm trying to hack up something similar to our giant makefile | 08:03 |
| jeffsch | I looked into it, but decided that with the upcoming switch to baz, and the probable pruning of our repos, that it would be a waste of time right now | 08:04 |
| jsgotangco | hmm yelp doesn't do footnotes | 08:05 |
| jsgotangco | grrr | 08:05 |
| Burgundavia | mdke, ping | 08:07 |
| jeffsch | Burgundavia: are you the only one from docteam going to ubz? | 08:08 |
| Burgundavia | jeffsch, currently yes | 08:08 |
| jeffsch | did you get sponsored because you are on docteam, or because you are on laptop testing? | 08:08 |
| Burgundavia | everything I have done, docteam, laptop, bugstuff, etc. | 08:10 |
| Burgundavia | and I live close to the location | 08:11 |
| jeffsch | if you call "on the other side of the country" close :) | 08:12 |
| Burgundavia | hey, closer than just about everybody else on the docteam | 08:12 |
| Madpilot | close by the standards of, say, jsgotangco or all you Australians & Kiwis... ;) | 08:13 |
| jeffsch | london-montreal is prolly the same travel time as victoria-montreal | 08:13 |
| jeffsch | i'm in vancouver | 08:13 |
| Madpilot | probably | 08:13 |
| Madpilot | ah, OK, cool. we should organize a Left-Coast-Ubuntu-Meet at some point... | 08:14 |
| jsgotangco | for some reason beagle in preview doesn't work | 08:16 |
| jeffsch | i installed breezy the other day | 08:16 |
| jeffsch | everything is nice, except the fonts are weird | 08:17 |
| jdub | Madpilot: and pitch for a BBB Tour visit! | 08:17 |
| jeffsch | and open office help doesn't work | 08:17 |
| Burgundavia | jdub, would you fly into Victoria? | 08:17 |
| robitaille | the planes are small, but fly quite often between Victoria-Vancouver and Victoria-Seattle | 08:19 |
| jsgotangco | jeffsch, strange mine works fine | 08:19 |
| robitaille | jsgotangco, beagle? I was going to try to install it later tonight on my laptop. | 08:19 |
| jsgotangco | robitaille, it must be because i missedsomething | 08:20 |
| jsgotangco | let me check | 08:20 |
| jsgotangco | it used to work in previous builds | 08:20 |
| robitaille | do you get any error? | 08:21 |
| jsgotangco | nope let me run best in a terminal | 08:21 |
| jsgotangco | wonder if beagle still require mono-assemblies-base | 08:21 |
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| jsgotangco | hmmm it still doesn'r run | 08:26 |
| jsgotangco | it seems my beagled is looping something | 08:26 |
| Burgundavia | jdub, does the BBB tour need ubuntu members? | 08:27 |
| robitaille | jsgotangco, is this something like this? https://launchpad.net/malone/bugs/2176 | 08:27 |
| jsgotangco | yeah | 08:28 |
| jsgotangco | exactly | 08:28 |
| jsgotangco | let me check if i need to update | 08:29 |
| robitaille | jsgotangco, I have updated to 0.13, and now I get: "Unhandled Exception: System.DllNotFoundException: glib-2.0" | 08:30 |
| jsgotangco | gahhh this thing used to work | 08:31 |
| jsgotangco | now it doesnt even have the notification icon of best | 08:31 |
| robitaille | I do have the icon, but beagled doesn't run which makes it pretty useless | 08:33 |
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| jsgotangco | http://www.flickr.com/photos/jsgotangco/ | 09:24 |
| jsgotangco | some local sfd pics | 09:24 |
| Burgundavia | jsgotangco, yours photos are copyrighted. Going to free them? | 09:25 |
| jsgotangco | hmm | 09:25 |
| jsgotangco | i didnt notice | 09:25 |
| jsgotangco | i just upload stuff | 09:26 |
| Burgundavia | Madpilot, ping | 09:29 |
| Madpilot | Burgundavia: pong? | 09:30 |
| Burgundavia | Madpilot, can you send me your /etc/xdg/menus/applications.menu | 09:30 |
| Madpilot | huh? | 09:30 |
| Burgundavia | I need a hoary version | 09:30 |
| Burgundavia | that is a file | 09:30 |
| Madpilot | I know, just a sec, digging for it | 09:30 |
| Madpilot | cool, it's actually an XML file of some sort... | 09:31 |
| Burgundavia | is the freedesktop standard | 09:32 |
| Madpilot | yeah, saw the DTD | 09:32 |
| Madpilot | coming via gmail now | 09:33 |
| Madpilot | gone | 09:33 |
| Madpilot | what do you want a Hoary menu config for? | 09:33 |
| Burgundavia | playing with menus, but it turns out the issue is deeper than that | 09:34 |
| Madpilot | thought you weren't running Hoary on either machine? | 09:35 |
| Burgundavia | I wiped hoary when I reinstalled Breezy preview | 09:38 |
| jsgotangco | yeah i loved the moment i did that as well | 09:38 |
| Madpilot | thought so. so why do you need a Hoary menu file? | 09:38 |
| Burgundavia | basically I wanted to add a seperator between the last submenu and add programs | 09:38 |
| Burgundavia | turns out that is not in the .menu file | 09:38 |
| Burgundavia | it is a code change | 09:38 |
| Madpilot | a seperator like Hoary has between the apps & the Run Apps entry? | 09:39 |
| Burgundavia | yes | 09:39 |
| Madpilot | seperators are treated differently by Gnome? too bad... | 09:40 |
| Burgundavia | no, it is there is no support in the spec for it | 09:40 |
| jsgotangco | http://doc.ubuntu.com/gnome/about-ubuntu/C/ | 09:49 |
| jsgotangco | what the heck is this | 09:49 |
| jsgotangco | it has <subtitle> visible | 09:49 |
| jsgotangco | guys | 10:06 |
| Burgundavia | yes' | 10:06 |
| Burgundavia | no idea | 10:06 |
| jsgotangco | is the po file already given out | 10:06 |
| jsgotangco | mdke nested it inside <title> | 10:07 |
| jsgotangco | that's the problem | 10:07 |
| jsgotangco | now the problem is that if the pot files are already out | 10:07 |
| jsgotangco | we have a borked document | 10:07 |
| jsgotangco | and there are still some typos | 10:08 |
| jsgotangco | oh well | 10:08 |
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| jsgotangco | i'm going to fix this | 10:08 |
| Burgundavia | night all | 10:16 |
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| jsgotangco | mdke, alive? | 10:49 |
| Madpilot | damn, I just realized that commenting stuff out in the wiki still leaves gaps in the regular text... | 10:50 |
| Madpilot | stuff doesn't just vanish entirely like with HTML comments... | 10:50 |
| jsgotangco | oh it still eats up white space | 10:50 |
| Madpilot | yup | 10:51 |
| Madpilot | commenting out a line between two existing lines will leave a line of white space behind :( | 10:51 |
| Madpilot | DuncanLithgow has done a nice re-org of parts of UserDocumentation | 10:53 |
| jsgotangco | ive noticed that with the wiki reports | 10:54 |
| jsgotangco | heh | 10:54 |
| jsgotangco | he did some stuff over the weekend | 10:55 |
| Madpilot | a lot of stuff, actually | 10:55 |
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| mdke | jsgotangco, here? | 11:36 |
| jsgotangco | mdke, hi did the pots got sent already? | 11:37 |
| mdke | yes | 11:38 |
| jsgotangco | oh well | 11:38 |
| mdke | jsgotangco, where did you fix those things? in trunk? | 11:38 |
| jsgotangco | yes | 11:38 |
| mdke | gah | 11:38 |
| jsgotangco | oops? | 11:39 |
| mdke | jsgotangco, the gnu/linux was fixed in the breezy branch already | 11:39 |
| mdke | can you do the other fix in the branch please? | 11:39 |
| jsgotangco | the branch is where we work now? | 11:39 |
| mdke | jsgotangco, it is where to do post-freeze fixes yes | 11:39 |
| jsgotangco | you'll still have unfixed tags from the pots | 11:40 |
| mdke | eh? | 11:40 |
| jsgotangco | although that is just a minor edit | 11:40 |
| jsgotangco | <subtitle> is supposed to be after <title> | 11:40 |
| mdke | can you fix it in the branch please? | 11:41 |
| jsgotangco | sure | 11:41 |
| jsgotangco | but like i said | 11:41 |
| jsgotangco | you'll still be fixing pots after | 11:41 |
| jsgotangco | (cant do anything about it anymore) | 11:41 |
| mdke | i don't have a problem with making a new pot | 11:42 |
| mdke | just this once ;) | 11:42 |
| jsgotangco | i thought you sent it already? | 11:42 |
| jsgotangco | where is your branch? | 11:43 |
| mdke | it is in branches/breezy | 11:43 |
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| mdke | there are some emails about it on the mailing list | 11:46 |
| rob^ | hi mdke | 11:47 |
| mdke | hi rob^ | 11:47 |
| jsgotangco | its ok i got it now | 11:48 |
| rob^ | are we waiting now for translations to be done before the package is released | 11:48 |
| jsgotangco | yes | 11:48 |
| rob^ | ah, thought so | 11:48 |
| jsgotangco | just some cleanup | 11:48 |
| jsgotangco | hmm i thought the branch was small | 11:49 |
| jsgotangco | it seems jbailey added everything? | 11:49 |
| mdke | jsgotangco, yes, i think he will remove some things later | 11:49 |
| rob^ | all 200mb? | 11:50 |
| jsgotangco | nice | 11:50 |
| rob^ | ok, bye again, got to get ready for work tomorrow (and get some sleep) | 11:50 |
| jsgotangco | night | 11:51 |
| jsgotangco | its so dark here already | 11:51 |
| rob^ | night jsgotangco, mdke | 11:51 |
| mdke | good night | 11:51 |
| jsgotangco | kde upstream? | 11:58 |
| jsgotangco | gahh | 11:58 |
| jsgotangco | no wonder our svn is so big | 11:59 |
| mdke | is that duncan chap on irc? | 12:19 |
| jsgotangco | no idea he's been doing a lot of editing... | 12:20 |
| mdke | yeah | 12:21 |
| mdke | jsgotangco, did you do the fix yet? | 12:22 |
| jsgotangco | dude im still downloading the branch | 12:22 |
| jsgotangco | im bandwidth challenged :) | 12:22 |
| mdke | ah | 12:23 |
| mdke | i'll do it | 12:23 |
| jsgotangco | thanks | 12:24 |
| mdke | done | 12:25 |
| jsgotangco | is the duncan dude adding crack? | 12:28 |
| mdke | not sure | 12:31 |
| mdke | he makes quite major changes without commenting them though | 12:32 |
| mdke | i'm off for a while | 12:36 |
| jsgotangco | man he seems to be updating 3 pages at the same time | 12:36 |
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| segfault | so, lets translate! | 03:58 |
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| poningru | anyone around? | 06:26 |
| poningru | suggestion for quick tour | 06:26 |
| segfault | about-ubuntu.xml:43(title) | 06:26 |
| segfault | Partipate in Ubuntu | 06:26 |
| poningru | under Great Software and under software update | 06:26 |
| segfault | shouldn't it be "Participate"? | 06:26 |
| poningru | err Automatic Update | 06:27 |
| poningru | Ubuntu will display, review and install them easily, ensuring all your software is up to date and secure. | 06:27 |
| poningru | in the current version there is no 'all' | 06:28 |
| poningru | Ubuntu will display, review and install them easily, ensuring your software is up to date and secure. | 06:28 |
| mdke | segfault, we have fixed that bug | 07:02 |
| mdke | poningru, better speak to Burgundavia and/or mail a patch to the list | 07:02 |
| poningru | mdke: k | 07:18 |
| segfault | mdke: nice. | 07:33 |
| jjesse | just to refresh my memory i should be making changes to kubuntu docs in branches/breezy? or in trunk? | 07:34 |
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| talat | hi all | 08:58 |
| talat | i want to help edubuntu documention | 08:58 |
| talat | how can i start ? | 08:58 |
| segfault | the changes made in rosetta are automatically synced with docteam's svn? | 09:00 |
| mdke | segfault, no | 09:00 |
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| mdke | talat, on the wiki, UserDocumentation page. Feel free to email our mailing list, or the edubuntu mailing list too | 09:12 |
| talat | ok bthnx | 09:16 |
| mdke | jjesse, branches/breezy i think | 09:27 |
| mdke | i don't know how froud wants to play the kubuntu thing | 09:28 |
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| segfault | when talking about microsoft products, shouldn't it include that trademark (tm) stuff? | 09:33 |
| mdke | no idea | 09:37 |
| jjesse | froud hasn't done any doc work in awhilethat i know of | 09:37 |
| jjesse | so i'll just go after branches/breezy and since i'm the only one writing kubuntu docs now :( | 09:38 |
| mdke | well froud set up the packaging... | 09:40 |
| mdke | i'm sure he'll respond if you mail him | 09:40 |
| jjesse | ok i'll take care of it when i get home | 09:47 |
| jjesse | if i want to make changes to a doc that should ship in breezy i should do it in the branch then, sorry for asking stupid questions but tyring to learn and do things correctly | 09:48 |
| mdke | in theory yeah | 09:49 |
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| WaterSevenUb | hhhm.... why isn't the quicktour in launchpad? https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/breezy/+sources/ubuntu-docs/+translations | 10:49 |
| WaterSevenUb | does anyone know? | 10:49 |
| Madpilot | It just hasn't been added yet, is my guess... | 10:50 |
| WaterSevenUb | madpilot, strange... the announcemente was only directed towards about ubuntu and faqguide and quicktour wasn't mentioned. | 10:52 |
| Madpilot | QT isn't finished | 10:52 |
| Madpilot | all the screenshots for it have to wait until one of the other freeze dates - but I think the text is done now | 10:53 |
| WaterSevenUb | mapilot, aaah, ok :) | 10:57 |
| Madpilot | Burgundavia is the one doing QT - I'm not sure which freeze date he's waiting for before doing the screenshots | 10:58 |
| Madpilot | does anyone know if "DuncanLithgow" has ever appeared on IRC? he's making some very large changes to UserDocumentation, and frankly breaking some things... | 11:23 |
| ajmitch | quite a number of changes, too | 11:25 |
| ajmitch | ah, looks like he's from NZ? I thought I might have recognised the name from a LUG list or similar | 11:27 |
| Madpilot | he makes no comments in the actual comments box, but does comment inside the text using ## | 11:28 |
| Madpilot | and he seems to be removing stuff from UserDocs, then not creating the new pages that will supposedly hold the removed content | 11:29 |
| Madpilot | all the external links that were at the bottom of UserDocs seem to have vanished, for instance | 11:30 |
| ajmitch | so he missed out the 'team' part of documentationteam when reading | 11:31 |
| mpt | Madpilot: He introduced himself on the mailing list yesterday | 11:32 |
| Madpilot | mpt: I noticed that, and the replies he got, too | 11:32 |
| mdke | Madpilot, feel free to post to the list on this topic, afaik he hasn't been on irc yet | 11:45 |
| Madpilot | mdke: I will later today, I think. Right now I'm digging thru UserDocs history to recover the external links that were deleted | 11:46 |
| Madpilot | "## == Other Resources == has been merged with UbuntuSupport" | 11:49 |
| Madpilot | except that UbuntuSupport doesn't exist | 11:49 |
| Madpilot | I'm moving Other Resources back into UserDocs now, from the history | 11:50 |
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