[12:02] <mdke> but the docs are built and you can see them previewed on our server at http://doc.ubuntu.com
[12:07] <segfault> i know, i was just playing around with the docs after translated
[12:09] <mdke> --> bed
[02:25] <Madpilot> hi robitaille
[02:25] <robitaille> hello Madpilot 
[02:25] <Madpilot> who's in charge of the actual Ubuntu.com website?
[02:26] <Madpilot> it was just mentioned over on #ubuntu that the Download page puts Breezy first, and Hoary right off the bottom of the screen
[02:26] <Madpilot> (even on a 1280x1024 screen like mine...) which is not very cool.
[02:26] <Madpilot> http://www.ubuntu.com/download/
[02:28] <_tshah> Lol, most people will probably end up downloading the "preview" by mistake
[02:29] <Madpilot> exactly
[02:33] <_tshah> On that note, http://www.kubuntu.org/ has some issues too
[02:33] <_tshah> First of all, the "Download" link is at the bottom
[02:33] <Madpilot> what do you expect from a bunch of KDE users? :)
[02:34] <_tshah> Second of all, the "Install CD" and the "Live CD" are the same link
[02:35] <Madpilot> _tshah: that's because they're all on the same mirrors together
[02:35] <_tshah> Yeah, so why give the user two links?
[02:36] <Madpilot> to point out that they're different things, I guess
[02:36] <_tshah> Yeah, but then the user has to "decide" again after they click on it
[02:36] <Madpilot> true
[02:37] <Madpilot> re-organizing the servers & mirrors is going to be a post-Breezy thing, though...
[02:39] <_tshah> based on this: http://releases.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/   I don't know if there will be any large re-structuing
[02:39] <Madpilot> yeah
[02:40] <Madpilot> I have no idea if there is a server/mirror re-org planned - I rather doubt it - but there is the LiveCD vs InstallCD thing you've noticed
[02:40] <Riddell> _tshah: if you want to play around with the layout of kubuntu.org that would be great, been on my TODO list for ages
[02:47] <_tshah> ok, gg; see ya
[02:51] <robitaille> Madpilot,  in the past I have filled bug reports against the web site in the bugzilla
[02:53] <robitaille> Henrik Nilsen Omma was involved for a while with the web site...not sure if that's still the case
[02:53] <Madpilot> robitaille: OK, thanks
[04:26] <jsgotangco> hey all
[04:26] <Madpilot> hi
[04:27] <jsgotangco> hey Burgundavia 
[04:28] <Burgundavia> salut jsgotangco 
[04:30] <Madpilot> hi Burgundavia
[04:30] <Burgundavia> salut Madpilot 
[04:30] <Madpilot> all ready for your VLUG talk on Tuesday evening?
[04:31] <Burgundavia> nope
[04:31] <Burgundavia> need to write my talk tonight
[04:32] <Madpilot> !
[04:32] <Burgundavia> I already know what I am going to talk about, just need to write it down
[04:32] <Madpilot> doing Powerpointy stuff to?
[04:32] <Burgundavia> ya
[04:33] <Madpilot> so you're swearing about Impress all over again, I bet...
[04:33] <jsgotangco> Impress 2.0 is actually good
[04:33] <Burgundavia> indeec
[04:33] <Burgundavia> d
[04:33] <jsgotangco> the problem is that it still cannot handle transparencies well
[04:34] <jsgotangco> but that is an evince issue
[04:34] <Burgundavia> well, looks like I have tomorrow night as well
[04:34] <Burgundavia> as gaming just got cancelled
[04:38] <jsgotangco> Burgundavia, have you seen the draft release notes
[04:38] <Burgundavia> jsgotangco, haven't had time to look at them
[05:22] <jsgotangco> ah yes
[05:23] <Burgundavia> jsgotangco, ?
[05:26] <jsgotangco> you've been busy
[05:27] <Burgundavia> work is eating a huge amount of my time
[05:27] <Burgundavia> but I have three days off later this week
[05:28] <Burgundavia> I hate to delay the quicktour until then, but I don't see any other optin
[05:30] <jsgotangco> im gonna make sure these release notes get done by this week
[05:31] <Burgundavia> cool
[08:01] <jeffsch> jsgotangco: ping
[08:02] <Burgundavia> salut jeffsch 
[08:02] <Burgundavia> jeffsch, you going to UBZ?
[08:02] <jsgotangco> jeffsch, hi
[08:02] <jeffsch> Burgundavia: nope. no time. no money.
[08:02] <jeffsch> :(
[08:03] <Burgundavia> ah
[08:03] <jsgotangco> jeffsch, pong?
[08:03] <jeffsch> jsgotangco: i didn't get a chance to look at the makefile for edubuntu
[08:03] <jeffsch> actually, that's not exactly true...
[08:03] <jsgotangco> jeffsch, no worries i'm trying to hack up something similar to our giant makefile
[08:04] <jeffsch> I looked into it, but decided that with the upcoming switch to baz, and the probable pruning of our repos, that it would be a waste of time right now
[08:05] <jsgotangco> hmm yelp doesn't do footnotes
[08:05] <jsgotangco> grrr
[08:07] <Burgundavia> mdke, ping
[08:08] <jeffsch> Burgundavia: are you the only one from docteam going to ubz?
[08:08] <Burgundavia> jeffsch, currently yes
[08:08] <jeffsch> did you get sponsored because you are on docteam, or because you are on laptop testing?
[08:10] <Burgundavia> everything I have done, docteam, laptop, bugstuff, etc.
[08:11] <Burgundavia> and I live close to the location
[08:12] <jeffsch> if you call "on the other side of the country" close :)
[08:12] <Burgundavia> hey, closer than just about everybody else on the docteam
[08:13] <Madpilot> close by the standards of, say, jsgotangco or all you Australians & Kiwis... ;)
[08:13] <jeffsch> london-montreal is prolly the same travel time as victoria-montreal
[08:13] <jeffsch> i'm in vancouver
[08:13] <Madpilot> probably
[08:14] <Madpilot> ah, OK, cool. we should organize a Left-Coast-Ubuntu-Meet at some point...
[08:16] <jsgotangco> for some reason beagle in preview doesn't work
[08:16] <jeffsch> i installed breezy the other day
[08:17] <jeffsch> everything is nice, except the fonts are weird
[08:17] <jdub> Madpilot: and pitch for a BBB Tour visit!
[08:17] <jeffsch> and open office help doesn't work
[08:17] <Burgundavia> jdub, would you fly into Victoria?
[08:19] <robitaille> the planes are small, but fly quite often between Victoria-Vancouver and Victoria-Seattle
[08:19] <jsgotangco> jeffsch, strange mine works fine
[08:19] <robitaille> jsgotangco,  beagle?  I was going to try to install it later tonight on my laptop.  
[08:20] <jsgotangco> robitaille, it must be because i missedsomething
[08:20] <jsgotangco> let me check
[08:20] <jsgotangco> it used to work in previous builds
[08:21] <robitaille> do you get any error?
[08:21] <jsgotangco> nope let me run best in a terminal
[08:21] <jsgotangco> wonder if beagle still require mono-assemblies-base
[08:26] <jsgotangco> hmmm it still doesn'r run
[08:26] <jsgotangco> it seems my beagled is looping something
[08:27] <Burgundavia> jdub, does the BBB tour need ubuntu members?
[08:27] <robitaille> jsgotangco,  is this something like this?  https://launchpad.net/malone/bugs/2176
[08:28] <jsgotangco> yeah
[08:28] <jsgotangco> exactly
[08:29] <jsgotangco> let me check if i need to update
[08:30] <robitaille> jsgotangco,  I have updated to 0.13, and now I get: "Unhandled Exception: System.DllNotFoundException: glib-2.0"
[08:31] <jsgotangco> gahhh this thing used to work
[08:31] <jsgotangco> now it doesnt even have the notification icon of best
[08:33] <robitaille> I do have the icon, but beagled doesn't run which makes it pretty useless
[09:24] <jsgotangco> http://www.flickr.com/photos/jsgotangco/
[09:24] <jsgotangco> some local sfd pics
[09:25] <Burgundavia> jsgotangco, yours photos are copyrighted. Going to free them?
[09:25] <jsgotangco> hmm
[09:25] <jsgotangco> i didnt notice
[09:26] <jsgotangco> i just upload stuff
[09:29] <Burgundavia> Madpilot, ping
[09:30] <Madpilot> Burgundavia: pong?
[09:30] <Burgundavia> Madpilot, can you send me your /etc/xdg/menus/applications.menu
[09:30] <Madpilot> huh?
[09:30] <Burgundavia> I need a hoary version
[09:30] <Burgundavia> that is a file
[09:30] <Madpilot> I know, just a sec, digging for it
[09:31] <Madpilot> cool, it's actually an XML file of some sort...
[09:32] <Burgundavia> is the freedesktop standard
[09:32] <Madpilot> yeah, saw the DTD
[09:33] <Madpilot> coming via gmail now
[09:33] <Madpilot> gone
[09:33] <Madpilot> what do you want a Hoary menu config for?
[09:34] <Burgundavia> playing with menus, but it turns out the issue is deeper than that
[09:35] <Madpilot> thought you weren't running Hoary on either machine?
[09:38] <Burgundavia> I wiped hoary when I reinstalled Breezy preview
[09:38] <jsgotangco> yeah i loved the moment i did that as well
[09:38] <Madpilot> thought so. so why do you need a Hoary menu file?
[09:38] <Burgundavia> basically I wanted to add a seperator between the last submenu and add programs
[09:38] <Burgundavia> turns out that is not in the .menu file
[09:38] <Burgundavia> it is a code change
[09:39] <Madpilot> a seperator like Hoary has between the apps & the Run Apps entry?
[09:39] <Burgundavia> yes
[09:40] <Madpilot> seperators are treated differently by Gnome? too bad...
[09:40] <Burgundavia> no, it is there is no support in the spec for it
[09:49] <jsgotangco> http://doc.ubuntu.com/gnome/about-ubuntu/C/
[09:49] <jsgotangco> what the heck is this
[09:49] <jsgotangco> it has <subtitle> visible
[10:06] <jsgotangco> guys
[10:06] <Burgundavia> yes'
[10:06] <Burgundavia> no idea
[10:06] <jsgotangco> is the po file already given out
[10:07] <jsgotangco> mdke nested it inside <title>
[10:07] <jsgotangco> that's the problem
[10:07] <jsgotangco> now the problem is that if the pot files are already out
[10:07] <jsgotangco> we have a borked document
[10:08] <jsgotangco> and there are still some typos
[10:08] <jsgotangco> oh well
[10:08] <jsgotangco> i'm going to fix this
[10:16] <Burgundavia> night all
[10:49] <jsgotangco> mdke, alive?
[10:50] <Madpilot> damn, I just realized that commenting stuff out in the wiki still leaves gaps in the regular text...
[10:50] <Madpilot> stuff doesn't just vanish entirely like with HTML comments...
[10:50] <jsgotangco> oh it still eats up white space
[10:51] <Madpilot> yup
[10:51] <Madpilot> commenting out a line between two existing lines will leave a line of white space behind :(
[10:53] <Madpilot> DuncanLithgow has done a nice re-org of parts of UserDocumentation
[10:54] <jsgotangco> ive noticed that with the wiki reports
[10:54] <jsgotangco> heh
[10:55] <jsgotangco> he did some stuff over the weekend
[10:55] <Madpilot> a lot of stuff, actually
[11:36] <mdke> jsgotangco, here?
[11:37] <jsgotangco> mdke, hi did the pots got sent already?
[11:38] <mdke> yes
[11:38] <jsgotangco> oh well
[11:38] <mdke> jsgotangco, where did you fix those things? in trunk?
[11:38] <jsgotangco> yes
[11:38] <mdke> gah
[11:39] <jsgotangco> oops?
[11:39] <mdke> jsgotangco, the gnu/linux was fixed in the breezy branch already
[11:39] <mdke> can you do the other fix in the branch please?
[11:39] <jsgotangco> the branch is where we work now?
[11:39] <mdke> jsgotangco, it is where to do post-freeze fixes yes
[11:40] <jsgotangco> you'll still have unfixed tags from the pots
[11:40] <mdke> eh?
[11:40] <jsgotangco> although that is just a minor edit
 is supposed to be after <title>
[11:41] <mdke> can you fix it in the branch please?
[11:41] <jsgotangco> sure
[11:41] <jsgotangco> but like i said
[11:41] <jsgotangco> you'll still be fixing pots after
[11:41] <jsgotangco> (cant do anything about it anymore)
[11:42] <mdke> i don't have a problem with making a new pot
[11:42] <mdke> just this once ;)
[11:42] <jsgotangco> i thought you sent it already?
[11:43] <jsgotangco> where is your branch?
[11:43] <mdke> it is in branches/breezy
[11:46] <mdke> there are some emails about it on the mailing list
[11:47] <rob^> hi mdke 
[11:47] <mdke> hi rob^ 
[11:48] <jsgotangco> its ok i got it now
[11:48] <rob^> are we waiting now for translations to be done before the package is released
[11:48] <jsgotangco> yes
[11:48] <rob^> ah, thought so
[11:48] <jsgotangco> just some cleanup
[11:49] <jsgotangco> hmm i thought the branch was small
[11:49] <jsgotangco> it seems jbailey added everything?
[11:49] <mdke> jsgotangco, yes, i think he will remove some things later
[11:50] <rob^> all 200mb?
[11:50] <jsgotangco> nice
[11:50] <rob^> ok, bye again, got to get ready for work tomorrow (and get some sleep)
[11:51] <jsgotangco> night
[11:51] <jsgotangco> its so dark here already
[11:51] <rob^> night jsgotangco, mdke 
[11:51] <mdke> good night
[11:58] <jsgotangco> kde upstream?
[11:58] <jsgotangco> gahh
[11:59] <jsgotangco> no wonder our svn is so big
[12:19] <mdke> is that duncan chap on irc?
[12:20] <jsgotangco> no idea he's been doing a lot of editing...
[12:21] <mdke> yeah
[12:22] <mdke> jsgotangco, did you do the fix yet?
[12:22] <jsgotangco> dude im still downloading the branch
[12:22] <jsgotangco> im bandwidth challenged :)
[12:23] <mdke> ah
[12:23] <mdke> i'll do it
[12:24] <jsgotangco> thanks
[12:25] <mdke> done
[12:28] <jsgotangco> is the duncan dude adding crack?
[12:31] <mdke> not sure
[12:32] <mdke> he makes quite major changes without commenting them though
[12:36] <mdke> i'm off for a while
[12:36] <jsgotangco> man he seems to be updating 3 pages at the same time
[03:58] <segfault> so, lets translate!
[06:26] <poningru> anyone around?
[06:26] <poningru> suggestion for quick tour
[06:26] <segfault> about-ubuntu.xml:43(title)
[06:26] <segfault> Partipate in Ubuntu
[06:26] <poningru> under Great Software and under software update
[06:26] <segfault> shouldn't it be "Participate"?
[06:27] <poningru> err Automatic Update
[06:27] <poningru> Ubuntu will display, review and install them easily, ensuring all your software is up to date and secure.
[06:28] <poningru> in the current version there is no 'all'
[06:28] <poningru> Ubuntu will display, review and install them easily, ensuring your software is up to date and secure.
[07:02] <mdke> segfault, we have fixed that bug
[07:02] <mdke> poningru, better speak to Burgundavia and/or mail a patch to the list
[07:18] <poningru> mdke: k
[07:33] <segfault> mdke: nice.
[07:34] <jjesse> just to refresh my memory i should be making changes to kubuntu docs in branches/breezy? or in trunk?
[08:58] <talat> hi all
[08:58] <talat> i want to help edubuntu documention 
[08:58] <talat> how can i start ?
[09:00] <segfault> the changes made in rosetta are automatically synced with docteam's svn?
[09:00] <mdke> segfault, no
[09:12] <mdke> talat, on the wiki, UserDocumentation page. Feel free to email our mailing list, or the edubuntu mailing list too
[09:16] <talat> ok bthnx
[09:27] <mdke> jjesse, branches/breezy i think
[09:28] <mdke> i don't know how froud wants to play the kubuntu thing
[09:33] <segfault> when talking about microsoft products, shouldn't it include that trademark (tm) stuff?
[09:37] <mdke> no idea
[09:37] <jjesse> froud hasn't done any doc work in awhilethat i know of
[09:38] <jjesse> so i'll just go after branches/breezy and since i'm the only one writing kubuntu docs now :(
[09:40] <mdke> well froud set up the packaging...
[09:40] <mdke> i'm sure he'll respond if you mail him
[09:47] <jjesse> ok i'll take care of it when i get home
[09:48] <jjesse> if i want to make changes to a doc that should ship in breezy i should do it in the branch then, sorry for asking stupid questions but tyring to learn and do things correctly
[09:49] <mdke> in theory yeah
[10:49] <WaterSevenUb> hhhm.... why isn't the quicktour in launchpad? https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/breezy/+sources/ubuntu-docs/+translations
[10:49] <WaterSevenUb> does anyone know?
[10:50] <Madpilot> It just hasn't been added yet, is my guess...
[10:52] <WaterSevenUb> madpilot, strange... the announcemente was only directed towards about ubuntu and faqguide and quicktour wasn't mentioned.
[10:52] <Madpilot> QT isn't finished
[10:53] <Madpilot> all the screenshots for it have to wait until one of the other freeze dates - but I think the text is done now
[10:57] <WaterSevenUb> mapilot, aaah, ok :)
[10:58] <Madpilot> Burgundavia is the one doing QT - I'm not sure which freeze date he's waiting for before doing the screenshots
[11:23] <Madpilot> does anyone know if "DuncanLithgow" has ever appeared on IRC? he's making some very large changes to UserDocumentation, and frankly breaking some things...
[11:25] <ajmitch> quite a number of changes, too
[11:27] <ajmitch> ah, looks like he's from NZ? I thought I might have recognised the name from a LUG list or similar
[11:28] <Madpilot> he makes no comments in the actual comments box, but does comment inside the text using ##
[11:29] <Madpilot> and he seems to be removing stuff from UserDocs, then not creating the new pages that will supposedly hold the removed content
[11:30] <Madpilot> all the external links that were at the bottom of UserDocs seem to have vanished, for instance
[11:31] <ajmitch> so he missed out the 'team' part of documentationteam when reading
[11:32] <mpt> Madpilot: He introduced himself on the mailing list yesterday
[11:32] <Madpilot> mpt: I noticed that, and the replies he got, too
[11:45] <mdke> Madpilot, feel free to post to the list on this topic, afaik he hasn't been on irc yet
[11:46] <Madpilot> mdke: I will later today, I think. Right now I'm digging thru UserDocs history to recover the external links that were deleted
[11:49] <Madpilot> "## == Other Resources == has been merged with UbuntuSupport"
[11:49] <Madpilot> except that UbuntuSupport doesn't exist
[11:50] <Madpilot> I'm moving Other Resources back into UserDocs now, from the history