[12:02] but the docs are built and you can see them previewed on our server at http://doc.ubuntu.com [12:07] i know, i was just playing around with the docs after translated [12:09] --> bed === enrico [n=enrico@debian/developer/enrico] has joined #ubuntu-doc === WaterSevenUb [n=WaterSev@bl5-44-46.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #ubuntu-doc === HrdwrBoB [n=matt@bob.is.teh.admin.at.vicnet.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-doc === _tshah [n=tshah@KOSHISH.RES.cmu.edu] has joined #ubuntu-doc === robitaille [n=robitail@d154-5-117-228.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [02:25] hi robitaille === Riddell [i=jr@kde/jriddell] has joined #ubuntu-doc [02:25] hello Madpilot [02:25] who's in charge of the actual Ubuntu.com website? [02:26] it was just mentioned over on #ubuntu that the Download page puts Breezy first, and Hoary right off the bottom of the screen [02:26] (even on a 1280x1024 screen like mine...) which is not very cool. [02:26] http://www.ubuntu.com/download/ [02:28] <_tshah> Lol, most people will probably end up downloading the "preview" by mistake [02:29] exactly [02:33] <_tshah> On that note, http://www.kubuntu.org/ has some issues too [02:33] <_tshah> First of all, the "Download" link is at the bottom [02:33] what do you expect from a bunch of KDE users? :) === Madpilot ducks, quickly... [02:34] <_tshah> Second of all, the "Install CD" and the "Live CD" are the same link [02:35] _tshah: that's because they're all on the same mirrors together [02:35] <_tshah> Yeah, so why give the user two links? [02:36] to point out that they're different things, I guess [02:36] <_tshah> Yeah, but then the user has to "decide" again after they click on it [02:36] true [02:37] re-organizing the servers & mirrors is going to be a post-Breezy thing, though... [02:39] <_tshah> based on this: http://releases.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/ I don't know if there will be any large re-structuing [02:39] yeah [02:40] I have no idea if there is a server/mirror re-org planned - I rather doubt it - but there is the LiveCD vs InstallCD thing you've noticed [02:40] _tshah: if you want to play around with the layout of kubuntu.org that would be great, been on my TODO list for ages [02:47] <_tshah> ok, gg; see ya === _tshah [n=tshah@KOSHISH.RES.cmu.edu] has left #ubuntu-doc ["Konversation] [02:51] Madpilot, in the past I have filled bug reports against the web site in the bugzilla [02:53] Henrik Nilsen Omma was involved for a while with the web site...not sure if that's still the case [02:53] robitaille: OK, thanks === robitaille [n=robitail@d154-5-117-228.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jsgotangco [n=jsg@202.57.71.235] has joined #ubuntu-doc [04:26] hey all [04:26] hi === Burgundavia [n=corey@S0106000000cc07fc.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [04:27] hey Burgundavia [04:28] salut jsgotangco [04:30] hi Burgundavia [04:30] salut Madpilot [04:30] all ready for your VLUG talk on Tuesday evening? [04:31] nope [04:31] need to write my talk tonight [04:32] ! [04:32] I already know what I am going to talk about, just need to write it down [04:32] doing Powerpointy stuff to? [04:32] ya [04:33] so you're swearing about Impress all over again, I bet... [04:33] Impress 2.0 is actually good [04:33] indeec [04:33] d [04:33] the problem is that it still cannot handle transparencies well [04:34] but that is an evince issue [04:34] well, looks like I have tomorrow night as well [04:34] as gaming just got cancelled === Burgundavia decides he has no brain space for ubuntu-users [04:38] Burgundavia, have you seen the draft release notes [04:38] jsgotangco, haven't had time to look at them [05:22] ah yes [05:23] jsgotangco, ? [05:26] you've been busy [05:27] work is eating a huge amount of my time [05:27] but I have three days off later this week [05:28] I hate to delay the quicktour until then, but I don't see any other optin [05:30] im gonna make sure these release notes get done by this week [05:31] cool === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mvirkkil [n=mvirkkil@vipunen.hut.fi] has left #ubuntu-doc [] === robitaille [n=robitail@d154-5-117-228.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === karlheg [n=karlheg@host-250-237.resnet.pdx.edu] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jeffsch [n=jeffsch@fatwire-201-134.uniserve.ca] has joined #ubuntu-doc [08:01] jsgotangco: ping [08:02] salut jeffsch [08:02] jeffsch, you going to UBZ? [08:02] jeffsch, hi [08:02] Burgundavia: nope. no time. no money. [08:02] :( [08:03] ah [08:03] jeffsch, pong? [08:03] jsgotangco: i didn't get a chance to look at the makefile for edubuntu [08:03] actually, that's not exactly true... [08:03] jeffsch, no worries i'm trying to hack up something similar to our giant makefile [08:04] I looked into it, but decided that with the upcoming switch to baz, and the probable pruning of our repos, that it would be a waste of time right now [08:05] hmm yelp doesn't do footnotes [08:05] grrr [08:07] mdke, ping [08:08] Burgundavia: are you the only one from docteam going to ubz? [08:08] jeffsch, currently yes [08:08] did you get sponsored because you are on docteam, or because you are on laptop testing? [08:10] everything I have done, docteam, laptop, bugstuff, etc. [08:11] and I live close to the location [08:12] if you call "on the other side of the country" close :) [08:12] hey, closer than just about everybody else on the docteam [08:13] close by the standards of, say, jsgotangco or all you Australians & Kiwis... ;) [08:13] london-montreal is prolly the same travel time as victoria-montreal [08:13] i'm in vancouver [08:13] probably [08:14] ah, OK, cool. we should organize a Left-Coast-Ubuntu-Meet at some point... [08:16] for some reason beagle in preview doesn't work [08:16] i installed breezy the other day [08:17] everything is nice, except the fonts are weird [08:17] Madpilot: and pitch for a BBB Tour visit! [08:17] and open office help doesn't work [08:17] jdub, would you fly into Victoria? [08:19] the planes are small, but fly quite often between Victoria-Vancouver and Victoria-Seattle [08:19] jeffsch, strange mine works fine [08:19] jsgotangco, beagle? I was going to try to install it later tonight on my laptop. [08:20] robitaille, it must be because i missedsomething [08:20] let me check [08:20] it used to work in previous builds [08:21] do you get any error? [08:21] nope let me run best in a terminal [08:21] wonder if beagle still require mono-assemblies-base === robitaille is installing beagle === robitaille has just noticed that Breezy is his first ever unix/linux in 15 years that doesn't come with /bin/mail installed by default [08:26] hmmm it still doesn'r run [08:26] it seems my beagled is looping something [08:27] jdub, does the BBB tour need ubuntu members? [08:27] jsgotangco, is this something like this? https://launchpad.net/malone/bugs/2176 [08:28] yeah [08:28] exactly [08:29] let me check if i need to update [08:30] jsgotangco, I have updated to 0.13, and now I get: "Unhandled Exception: System.DllNotFoundException: glib-2.0" [08:31] gahhh this thing used to work [08:31] now it doesnt even have the notification icon of best [08:33] I do have the icon, but beagled doesn't run which makes it pretty useless === jeffsch [n=jeffsch@fatwire-201-134.uniserve.ca] has left #ubuntu-doc ["gone] [09:24] http://www.flickr.com/photos/jsgotangco/ [09:24] some local sfd pics [09:25] jsgotangco, yours photos are copyrighted. Going to free them? [09:25] hmm [09:25] i didnt notice [09:26] i just upload stuff [09:29] Madpilot, ping [09:30] Burgundavia: pong? [09:30] Madpilot, can you send me your /etc/xdg/menus/applications.menu [09:30] huh? [09:30] I need a hoary version [09:30] that is a file [09:30] I know, just a sec, digging for it [09:31] cool, it's actually an XML file of some sort... [09:32] is the freedesktop standard [09:32] yeah, saw the DTD [09:33] coming via gmail now [09:33] gone [09:33] what do you want a Hoary menu config for? [09:34] playing with menus, but it turns out the issue is deeper than that [09:35] thought you weren't running Hoary on either machine? [09:38] I wiped hoary when I reinstalled Breezy preview [09:38] yeah i loved the moment i did that as well [09:38] thought so. so why do you need a Hoary menu file? [09:38] basically I wanted to add a seperator between the last submenu and add programs [09:38] turns out that is not in the .menu file [09:38] it is a code change [09:39] a seperator like Hoary has between the apps & the Run Apps entry? [09:39] yes [09:40] seperators are treated differently by Gnome? too bad... [09:40] no, it is there is no support in the spec for it [09:49] http://doc.ubuntu.com/gnome/about-ubuntu/C/ [09:49] what the heck is this [09:49] it has visible [10:06] guys [10:06] yes' [10:06] no idea [10:06] is the po file already given out [10:07] mdke nested it inside [10:07] <jsgotangco> that's the problem [10:07] <jsgotangco> now the problem is that if the pot files are already out [10:07] <jsgotangco> we have a borked document [10:08] <jsgotangco> and there are still some typos [10:08] <jsgotangco> oh well === dand [n=dand@gw.datagroup.ro] has joined #ubuntu-doc [10:08] <jsgotangco> i'm going to fix this [10:16] <Burgundavia> night all === thoreauputic [n=prospero@wolax7-032.dialup.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-doc === WaterSevenUb [n=WaterSev@bl5-220-198.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #ubuntu-doc [10:49] <jsgotangco> mdke, alive? [10:50] <Madpilot> damn, I just realized that commenting stuff out in the wiki still leaves gaps in the regular text... [10:50] <Madpilot> stuff doesn't just vanish entirely like with HTML comments... [10:50] <jsgotangco> oh it still eats up white space [10:51] <Madpilot> yup [10:51] <Madpilot> commenting out a line between two existing lines will leave a line of white space behind :( [10:53] <Madpilot> DuncanLithgow has done a nice re-org of parts of UserDocumentation [10:54] <jsgotangco> ive noticed that with the wiki reports [10:54] <jsgotangco> heh [10:55] <jsgotangco> he did some stuff over the weekend [10:55] <Madpilot> a lot of stuff, actually === enrico [n=enrico@debian/developer/enrico] has joined #ubuntu-doc [11:36] <mdke> jsgotangco, here? [11:37] <jsgotangco> mdke, hi did the pots got sent already? [11:38] <mdke> yes [11:38] <jsgotangco> oh well [11:38] <mdke> jsgotangco, where did you fix those things? in trunk? [11:38] <jsgotangco> yes [11:38] <mdke> gah [11:39] <jsgotangco> oops? [11:39] <mdke> jsgotangco, the gnu/linux was fixed in the breezy branch already [11:39] <mdke> can you do the other fix in the branch please? [11:39] <jsgotangco> the branch is where we work now? [11:39] <mdke> jsgotangco, it is where to do post-freeze fixes yes [11:40] <jsgotangco> you'll still have unfixed tags from the pots [11:40] <mdke> eh? [11:40] <jsgotangco> although that is just a minor edit [11:40] <jsgotangco> <subtitle> is supposed to be after <title> [11:41] <mdke> can you fix it in the branch please? [11:41] <jsgotangco> sure [11:41] <jsgotangco> but like i said [11:41] <jsgotangco> you'll still be fixing pots after [11:41] <jsgotangco> (cant do anything about it anymore) [11:42] <mdke> i don't have a problem with making a new pot [11:42] <mdke> just this once ;) [11:42] <jsgotangco> i thought you sent it already? [11:43] <jsgotangco> where is your branch? [11:43] <mdke> it is in branches/breezy === rob^ [n=rob@pdpc/supporter/student/rob-ubuntu] has joined #ubuntu-doc === ajmitch [n=ajmitch@port163-187.ubs.maxnet.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-doc [11:46] <mdke> there are some emails about it on the mailing list [11:47] <rob^> hi mdke [11:47] <mdke> hi rob^ [11:48] <jsgotangco> its ok i got it now [11:48] <rob^> are we waiting now for translations to be done before the package is released [11:48] <jsgotangco> yes [11:48] <rob^> ah, thought so [11:48] <jsgotangco> just some cleanup [11:49] <jsgotangco> hmm i thought the branch was small [11:49] <jsgotangco> it seems jbailey added everything? [11:49] <mdke> jsgotangco, yes, i think he will remove some things later [11:50] <rob^> all 200mb? [11:50] <jsgotangco> nice [11:50] <rob^> ok, bye again, got to get ready for work tomorrow (and get some sleep) [11:51] <jsgotangco> night [11:51] <jsgotangco> its so dark here already [11:51] <rob^> night jsgotangco, mdke [11:51] <mdke> good night [11:58] <jsgotangco> kde upstream? [11:58] <jsgotangco> gahh [11:59] <jsgotangco> no wonder our svn is so big [12:19] <mdke> is that duncan chap on irc? [12:20] <jsgotangco> no idea he's been doing a lot of editing... [12:21] <mdke> yeah [12:22] <mdke> jsgotangco, did you do the fix yet? [12:22] <jsgotangco> dude im still downloading the branch [12:22] <jsgotangco> im bandwidth challenged :) [12:23] <mdke> ah [12:23] <mdke> i'll do it [12:24] <jsgotangco> thanks [12:25] <mdke> done [12:28] <jsgotangco> is the duncan dude adding crack? [12:31] <mdke> not sure [12:32] <mdke> he makes quite major changes without commenting them though [12:36] <mdke> i'm off for a while [12:36] <jsgotangco> man he seems to be updating 3 pages at the same time === avanspronsen [n=andrewv@London-HSE-ppp3543971.sympatico.ca] has left #ubuntu-doc [] === jjesse [n=jjesse@mail.ftpb.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mdke [n=matt@unaffiliated/mdke] has joined #ubuntu-doc [03:58] <segfault> so, lets translate! === WaterSevenUb [n=WaterSev@azevedo.astro.up.pt] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Seveas [n=seveas@seveas.demon.nl] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mpt [n=mpt@200-171-140-32.dsl.telesp.net.br] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@host-66-202-95-170.spr.choiceone.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.7.130.247] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Seveas [n=seveas@seveas.demon.nl] has joined #ubuntu-doc === karlheg [n=karlheg@host-250-237.resnet.pdx.edu] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mpt [n=mpt@200-171-140-32.dsl.telesp.net.br] has joined #ubuntu-doc === poningru [n=poningru@n128-227-146-198.xlate.ufl.edu] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Burgundavia [n=corey@S0106000000cc07fc.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [06:26] <poningru> anyone around? [06:26] <poningru> suggestion for quick tour [06:26] <segfault> about-ubuntu.xml:43(title) [06:26] <segfault> Partipate in Ubuntu [06:26] <poningru> under Great Software and under software update [06:26] <segfault> shouldn't it be "Participate"? [06:27] <poningru> err Automatic Update [06:27] <poningru> Ubuntu will display, review and install them easily, ensuring all your software is up to date and secure. [06:28] <poningru> in the current version there is no 'all' [06:28] <poningru> Ubuntu will display, review and install them easily, ensuring your software is up to date and secure. [07:02] <mdke> segfault, we have fixed that bug [07:02] <mdke> poningru, better speak to Burgundavia and/or mail a patch to the list [07:18] <poningru> mdke: k [07:33] <segfault> mdke: nice. [07:34] <jjesse> just to refresh my memory i should be making changes to kubuntu docs in branches/breezy? or in trunk? === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.7.130.247] has joined #ubuntu-doc === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.7.130.247] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jjesse [n=jjesse@mail.ftpb.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === dand [n=dand@83.103.205.67] has joined #ubuntu-doc === talat [n=talat@81.213.180.227] has joined #ubuntu-doc [08:58] <talat> hi all [08:58] <talat> i want to help edubuntu documention [08:58] <talat> how can i start ? [09:00] <segfault> the changes made in rosetta are automatically synced with docteam's svn? [09:00] <mdke> segfault, no === Belutz [n=Belutz@202.155.150.76] has joined #ubuntu-doc [09:12] <mdke> talat, on the wiki, UserDocumentation page. Feel free to email our mailing list, or the edubuntu mailing list too [09:16] <talat> ok bthnx [09:27] <mdke> jjesse, branches/breezy i think [09:28] <mdke> i don't know how froud wants to play the kubuntu thing === mpt [n=mpt@200-171-140-32.dsl.telesp.net.br] has joined #ubuntu-doc [09:33] <segfault> when talking about microsoft products, shouldn't it include that trademark (tm) stuff? [09:37] <mdke> no idea [09:37] <jjesse> froud hasn't done any doc work in awhilethat i know of [09:38] <jjesse> so i'll just go after branches/breezy and since i'm the only one writing kubuntu docs now :( [09:40] <mdke> well froud set up the packaging... [09:40] <mdke> i'm sure he'll respond if you mail him [09:47] <jjesse> ok i'll take care of it when i get home [09:48] <jjesse> if i want to make changes to a doc that should ship in breezy i should do it in the branch then, sorry for asking stupid questions but tyring to learn and do things correctly [09:49] <mdke> in theory yeah === ajmitch_ [n=ajmitch@port161-97.ubs.maxnet.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Seveas [n=seveas@seveas.demon.nl] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jjesse [n=jjesse@mail.ftpb.com] has left #ubuntu-doc [] [10:49] <WaterSevenUb> hhhm.... why isn't the quicktour in launchpad? https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/breezy/+sources/ubuntu-docs/+translations [10:49] <WaterSevenUb> does anyone know? [10:50] <Madpilot> It just hasn't been added yet, is my guess... [10:52] <WaterSevenUb> madpilot, strange... the announcemente was only directed towards about ubuntu and faqguide and quicktour wasn't mentioned. [10:52] <Madpilot> QT isn't finished [10:53] <Madpilot> all the screenshots for it have to wait until one of the other freeze dates - but I think the text is done now [10:57] <WaterSevenUb> mapilot, aaah, ok :) [10:58] <Madpilot> Burgundavia is the one doing QT - I'm not sure which freeze date he's waiting for before doing the screenshots [11:23] <Madpilot> does anyone know if "DuncanLithgow" has ever appeared on IRC? he's making some very large changes to UserDocumentation, and frankly breaking some things... [11:25] <ajmitch> quite a number of changes, too [11:27] <ajmitch> ah, looks like he's from NZ? I thought I might have recognised the name from a LUG list or similar [11:28] <Madpilot> he makes no comments in the actual comments box, but does comment inside the text using ## [11:29] <Madpilot> and he seems to be removing stuff from UserDocs, then not creating the new pages that will supposedly hold the removed content [11:30] <Madpilot> all the external links that were at the bottom of UserDocs seem to have vanished, for instance [11:31] <ajmitch> so he missed out the 'team' part of documentationteam when reading [11:32] <mpt> Madpilot: He introduced himself on the mailing list yesterday [11:32] <Madpilot> mpt: I noticed that, and the replies he got, too [11:45] <mdke> Madpilot, feel free to post to the list on this topic, afaik he hasn't been on irc yet [11:46] <Madpilot> mdke: I will later today, I think. Right now I'm digging thru UserDocs history to recover the external links that were deleted [11:49] <Madpilot> "## == Other Resources == has been merged with UbuntuSupport" [11:49] <Madpilot> except that UbuntuSupport doesn't exist [11:50] <Madpilot> I'm moving Other Resources back into UserDocs now, from the history === judax [n=kvirc@adsl-66-143-164-112.dsl.austtx.swbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc