[12:04] my goals for revu2 is to make it really usable for fixes and other changes of packages.... by creating debdiffs to other versions and even make it possible to upload debdiffs... let's see if that is compatible to what sisterpoty and the others plan for revu2 ;) [12:05] full ack from me ;) [12:06] btw.: it's not _sister_poty :P [12:06] who said that? =) [12:06] mbreit just did *g* [12:06] oh... lol [12:07] hahaha === sistpoty feels quite male :) [12:07] lol... sorry sistpoty!!!! [12:07] no problem [12:07] (but that explains why my nick completion did not work *g*) [12:08] we should write up a MOTU Quotes page [12:08] uh oh... [12:08] >:) [12:08] omg [12:08] just make sure you ghost ajmitch before you say anything remotely questionable ;) [12:09] haha [12:11] is breezy usable right now? [12:11] jtan325: yes === sistpoty has no major problems with breezy === ajmitch finds it nice & stable === slomo too [12:14] iirc are there still reports about issues with xorg when upgrading from hoary... but other than that it's very stable and real fun to use [12:15] bddebian: the wiki looks good...just need the note about adding a comment if everyone agrees (it gets my vote) [12:15] upgrade worked for my girlfriend :-) [12:15] bddebian: might want to consider moving the done list to the bottom of the page and have the broken list at the top (for usability) [12:16] bddebian: there are two different styles for section headings... shall i fix that? [12:17] bddebian: can i edit the page now or are you doing something atm? [12:18] hrmmm [12:18] i am upgrading from hoary [12:18] or would be [12:18] what kind of issues with xorg? [12:18] or could they be fixed with "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg"? [12:18] jtan325: starting does not work with a message "cannot find default font: fixed"... but a dpkg-reconfigure should fix that [12:19] so that's really all i need to worry about? [12:19] and some people have issues with the keyboard module still [12:19] bddebian: what is the command line you are using to build the list in the NOBODY part of the Broken table? [12:23] ack...the mysql-admin package in universe needs an update [12:23] bmonty_laptop: i am fixing the table atm [12:23] mbreit: ok [12:24] bmonty_laptop: is it severely broken, or...? [12:24] fixed now [12:24] crimsun: not severely broken, but a lot of functions don't seem to work and MySQL recommends not using the version universe has [12:24] Sorry afk, bbib [12:25] bmonty_laptop: hmm, "a lot of functions don't seem to work and MySQL recommends not using the version universe has" sounds like a suitable reason for breaking UVF [12:26] crimsun: you could sync in the version from debian unstable [12:27] test it, then ask elmo for a sync [12:27] crimsun: ok, it is going to involve a lot more packages than just mysql-admin [12:27] uh oh [12:27] can we backport any of the fixes? [12:27] "a lot more" = "a few more"....like 3 or so [12:29] such as? [12:29] are there _any_ in main? === JRe [n=Bond@pai34-2-82-226-199-36.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:30] sivang: ? [12:30] ajmitch: hold on a sec [12:31] ok [12:31] I did have a work meeting in 1min [12:31] but no longer [12:34] in addition to mysql-admin, we would need to sync mysql-common, mysql-admin-common, and libmysqlclient15 [12:35] oh no [12:35] mysql-common at least is in main [12:36] and you'd be dragging a NEW lib into main too, I'd say === Nafallo agrees with ajmitch, fwiw [12:36] in fact it'd require an upgrade of the whole mysql package [12:36] what are you doing tto mysql? [12:36] fat chance of that :) [12:36] youd better not break it [12:37] ill come after you [12:37] mdz would have a fit [12:37] the best thing to do would be to backport the fixes [12:38] eww thats ugly [12:38] does it really have _that_ serious problems? [12:38] well in debian, libmysqlclient15 is provided by mysql-dfsg-5.0 === jorgp2 [n=jorgp@bnet-dial2-253.bartnet.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:38] and mysql-common is now provided by that as well [12:39] good luck getting that into main ;) [12:39] hah [12:39] if its really screwed tho [12:39] hence my question [12:39] I just installed the debian versions on my laptop and they didn't fix the problem I was having, so maybe it isn't a mysql-admin version issue [12:39] bmonty_laptop: ok.. [12:40] i need to hack up dch [12:40] make it do ubuntu version numbers [12:40] why? [12:40] so i can stop manually changing 2s to 1ubuntu1 === ajmitch already has a script to do the equivalent of dch -i properly [12:41] ajmitch: oh, gimme :) [12:41] Lathiat: yes please [12:41] same here [12:41] Lathiat: you already have it [12:41] oh? [12:41] whats it called? [12:41] part of my transition crack [12:41] yeh yeh [12:41] but whats it called [12:41] ;p [12:41] look for the increment function [12:41] buildList.sh [12:42] ajmitch: branch dch for us please :-) [12:42] dch already handles -xbuild1 -> -xbuild2 [12:42] and -xubuntu1 -> -xubuntu2 [12:42] I just special cased -x to -xubuntu1 [12:42] but not -x -> -xubuntu1 [12:42] Nafallo: sure, why not? [12:42] Lathiat: that's what I did in my script [12:43] Nafallo: how annoying, devscripts isn't on arch.ubuntu.com [12:44] ajmitch: file a bug or something ;-) [12:44] I will [12:45] http://alioth.debian.org/scm/?group_id=30465 [12:45] hm, not there [12:45] OK folks, take a look at UniverseUnmetDeps now and let me know what you think?? [12:45] bddebian: wiki is much better :) [12:46] aha, it's on svn.debian.org [12:46] it sucks it sucks! [12:46] you suck! [12:46] :'-( [12:46] now now dont get all uspet on me [12:46] bddebian: an improvement [12:46] :-) [12:47] hah [12:47] ajmitch: [12:47] bddebian: it's ok, you're allowed to suck ;) [12:47] thats so cold === ajmitch is still waiting for debian NEW queue beofre syncing gnue-designer & gnue-forms, btw [12:48] so they're mine, all mine! [12:48] How do I make a cr/lf inside the table cell? I'd like to have more readability between all the broken stuff? [12:48] bddebian: I don't think you can [12:48] bddebian: [[BR] ] ? === comadreja [n=comadrej@pdpc/supporter/active/comadreja] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:52] good work bddebian! === ajmitch wonders what that guy's ipv6 issue is on u-d [12:54] Heh, that didn't work [12:54] looks odd to me [12:54] checking how to run the C++ preprocessor... /lib/cpp [12:54] configure: error: C++ preprocessor "/lib/cpp" fails sanity check [12:54] what the heck is that? [12:54] do you have build-essential installed? [12:54] HiddenWolf: do you have g++ installed? [12:54] wtf, build-essential was gone. :( === HiddenWolf has aha moment [12:54] I reinstalled python earlier [12:55] bddebian: good work!! (but there are still too many packages in the nobody list that do not belong there...) [12:55] mbreit: I'm working on it man.. Sheesh :-) [12:55] bddebian: since you're editing, can you take gnue-* & stick them under my name? [12:55] well, Mithrandir is more precise. You can still have cpp installed without having build-essential installed. [12:55] bddebian: i did not want to annoy you, sorry ;) [12:56] ajmitch: Sure [12:56] mbreit: I'm only kidding :-) [12:56] thx [12:56] bddebian: no you're not [12:56] you secretly hate us all [12:57] pitti said he was fixing pgadmin3 [01:03] bddebian: the non-free stuff line in the broken section should be moved to the incoming section [01:10] mm, stuff on 'Incoming section' that should be morgue [01:10] like pcmcia-modules-* [01:11] cynthiune.app synced today [01:11] lhs2tex recently uploaded [01:11] Yeah, who did that? ;-P [01:11] selinux-policy-default is unfixable, and is my area [01:12] gn8 everyone [01:12] night sistpoty [01:13] sigh [01:14] ajmitch? [01:14] so that guy with supposed ipv6 troubles just doesn't know how to use ssh :) [01:14] and it has nothing whatsoever to do with ipv6 [01:14] Lathiat: politely beat him around the head ;) === bmonty_laptop [n=bmontgom@wsip-68-15-230-31.om.om.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:15] ajmitch: ive actually seen something similar tot his ipv6 ssh stuff [01:15] ajmitch: at work, i run putty to open an ssh tunnel through the http proxy [01:16] ajmitch: it only comes up on ::1 (ipv6localhost [01:16] fun === ajmitch has never seen such things [01:16] he's trying to 'ssh 127.0.0.1:33333' [01:17] the problem is that an ipv6 socket accepts ivp4 too [01:17] which tends not to work [01:17] so many applications lazily open 1 [01:17] and netstat only says ipv6 [01:17] and users get confused [01:17] also the port thing [01:17] yeh [01:17] they should move to an ipv6 network [01:17] bddebian: i think you can't use lists (* ...) in tables in the wiki... [01:17] Lathiat: know if squid has proper ipv6 support yet? [01:17] ajmitch: nfi [01:18] did we decide on comments for moving packages between the lists? === ajmitch might ask lifeless then [01:18] yeh [01:18] i rememebnrr reading about it on the projects page [01:18] so the answer is probably 'no' [01:18] oops [01:18] ran out of disk space [01:18] heh [01:18] need to make my pbuilder build on /home [01:19] not / with limited space === ajmitch has his pbuilder on /home [01:19] so /home is running out [01:19] heh === Nafallo has his pbuilder on /, and his /home to ;-) [01:20] i separated it so i could reformat without backing everything up off-disk [01:20] since my 200GB is dead in the water that means burning to DVDs [01:20] guys, how do I add a manpage to a .deb? [01:20] HiddenWolf: black magic [01:20] well, I run backuppc on the server ;-) [01:20] saved me today :-P [01:20] package.manpages works [01:20] heh [01:21] well [01:21] list the filename in debian/package.manpages [01:21] my server has like 500M free [01:21] HiddenWolf: for an easy example look at the gnomeradio source package [01:21] put the manpage in debian/ [01:21] HiddenWolf: or do you want to add an _existing_ manpage? [01:21] mbreit: Nope, tried that :-) [01:21] I put a manpage in debian/ and added a line to debian/control, but it doesn't seem to work. [01:22] HiddenWolf: err, whats control got to do with it? [01:22] docbook-to-man lines [01:22] Lathiat: 4.5G take backup for 2 clients and the server here. just have to find the sensible excludes ;-) [01:22] Nafallo: heh [01:22] HiddenWolf: if you want to add an existing manpage, forget my hint ;) [01:22] I copied the manpage of another binary, renamed it and edited a bit. [01:22] Should we have like an "In Process" or "Assigned" section for people already working on something that isn't necessarily "broken" ? [01:23] Lathiat, there is a load of manpage.*.sgml files in /debian/ [01:24] bddebian: only if people keep it up to date :) [01:24] bmonty: Well I can't do much about that :-) [01:26] yay, janew is quoted on an article linked off /. :) [01:27] bddebian: you could make a table for the FIXME stuff... that would look much better [01:28] (and make a === FIXME === instead of = FIXME =) === macgyver2 [n=eric@unaffiliated/macgyver2] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:30] mbreit: You mean an entry for every package? I was thinking about that. [01:31] bddebian: yes [01:36] Does anyone here know how to turn an sgml docbook file into a manpage when building? [01:36] docbook2man [01:36] stick it in deban/rules [01:36] debian/rules, that is [01:37] there are a few packages that use it [01:37] HiddenWolf: then i can recommend my example again ;) look in the gnomeradio source package.. [01:37] ajmitch, I copied another sgml page, changed it a bit, and added a line to debian/rules, but I keep getting a lintian error for my binary. [01:37] & put it in build-depends, iirc [01:37] HiddenWolf: sgml? better use docbook xml ;) [01:37] mbreit, thanks, i'll check it out [01:38] slomo, there was a bunch of sgmls in debian/ already, so I just copied one, edited a bit, and added a line to /rules [01:38] bddebian: if you're still editing, place gnue-* under my name in Assigned [01:38] wikis aren't too good for concurrent edits :) [01:38] HiddenWolf: ok... your choose :) [01:38] slomo, not my package, yet. In fact it's my first ever try. [01:39] i am going to bed now... good night everybody [01:39] you need yarrr [01:39] where you can collbaritvely edit the same wiki page [01:39] gn8 mbreit [01:39] slomo, I just figured adding an sgml file and a rules line should do the trick... [01:40] ajmitch: Where are gnue stuff? I don't see them? [01:40] ajmitch, any clue? [01:41] ajmitch: NM [01:41] bddebian: http://bur.st/~lathiat/zhcon.debdiff [01:42] Lathiat: shall i upload? [01:42] i have nothing todo atm =) [01:42] oh the table is screwed at the moment :) [01:42] slomo: if you like :) [01:42] bddebian: nm, slomo will do it ;p [01:42] ajmitch: Ya think? ;-) [01:42] arrr fuck [01:42] pbuilder wants to hard link the aptcache archives [01:43] Lathiat: so tell it not to [01:43] how about making the instructions at the top a sub page? I'd like to be able to see the packages under NOBODY without scrolling down [01:43] that doesnt work so well when i set the cache to /var/cache/apt and /home is a separate fs [01:43] How the hell did I become Wiki bitch too?? ;-P [01:43] :) [01:43] it's just an option in the pbuilderrc [01:43] bddebian: you started editing [01:43] ajmitch: sure but wont symlinking it mean it cant get to them? [01:43] APTCACHE="/home/ajmitch/debian/pbuilder/aptcache/" [01:43] APTCACHEHARDLINK="yes" [01:43] change the HARDLINK to "no" [01:44] and it'll copy them [01:44] err [01:44] yeh [01:44] it's a lot slower, but it works [01:44] and take 3 years to do so === Lathiat ponders [01:44] that's why I have my APTCACHE on /home as well :) [01:44] i'll bindmount it in there *g* [01:44] does bind mount work across fs? [01:44] ajmitch: howw do i set that [01:44] ajmitch: of course [01:45] Lathiat: in your pbuilderrc :P [01:45] ajmitch: i mean my system-wide one ;p [01:45] eh, why? [01:45] so they can share the cache of course [01:45] ah [01:46] look up the manpage :) [01:46] i'll just maintain a second cache ;p [01:47] lazy [01:47] it's not a huge problem when you're using apt-proxy anyway [01:47] apt-proxy is the coolest === jorgp3 [n=jorgp@bnet-dial2-234.bartnet.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:47] except im not usingt hat [01:47] if i had room on my server i wouwld [01:47] it gets old downloading everything 3 times [01:47] i did have a local mirror [01:47] except i rm -rf *d it [01:47] yesterday [01:48] along with the rest of /home/lathiat [01:48] so [01:48] haha [01:48] ouch [01:48] wewll [01:48] i lie [01:48] /home/lathiat/* [01:48] theres a subtle difference :) [01:48] Why a special fscking Wiki syntax anyway, why not just HTML? [01:49] bddebian: arbitrary html is a) bad and b) bad for random people [01:49] i.e. fine for you but its a) ugly b) useless to my mother [01:49] for the record, my mother contributes to the ubuntu wiki often === Lathiat coughs [01:49] oh man you are freaking kidding [01:49] can you imagine writing all the wiki over in html? [01:50] html takes 10x as much effort for the same thing [01:50] Lathiat: And the wiki syntax is so much more sensical? [01:50] bddebian: yes [01:50] i have [01:50] ill take " * foo" [01:50] = headings= [01:50] and [01:50] * lists [01:50] * list2 [01:50] fuck typing [01:50]

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[01:50] Oh yeah, that's tough :-) [01:50] bddebian: dude [01:50] bddebian: do it a few hundred times and youll be sorry [01:51] I have done it a few hundred times === Lathiat would be sorry doing it once [01:51] yeah me too [01:51] i know! [01:51] lets do all our docs in sgml [01:51] and transform it [01:51] not that your bitter of anything [01:51] right, tseng? [01:52] right. [01:52] i learned my lesson [01:52] maybe you just need daniels pony [01:52] Can you do sections or hyperlinks within the same page? [01:52] im sure you can === Lathiat has no idea how [01:53] Lathiat: Well come on mr "wiki syntax is so special".. ;-P [01:53] it is special [01:53] doesnt mean i dont know it all [01:53] thats part of the goodness [01:53] ajmitch: Better? [01:53] tseng: sgml? sgml is soooooo last century :P [01:53] APTCACHE="/home/ajmitch/debian/pbuilder/aptcache/" [01:53] APTCACHEHARDLINK="yes" [01:53] in fact i am 100% unversed in wiki syntax [01:53] ergh [01:53] you only have to know afew things to make something decent on the wiki [01:53] * [#anchorname Link to anchor on this page] [01:53] slomo: i know [01:53] from HelpOnEditing [01:53] slomo: it was called sarcasm [01:54] its all xml2man now [01:54] xmltoman, i should sa [01:54] y [01:54] anything is better than man === Lathiat is waiting for wiki2man [01:54] tseng: i know... just wanted to tease you :P [01:54] bddebian: 'Incoming' list is still far too long [01:55] ajmitch: I'm working on it... [01:55] bddebian: chuck out some of the morgue packages that are in that section [01:55] I mean too long in that there are entries on there which are in another page section [01:55] I know, I know.. :-( [01:56] ok :) [01:56] ajmitch: how do we get morgue smaller? just tell elmo about it? [01:56] slomo: well it won't happen any other way [01:56] slomo: I've already had him morgue a couple [01:56] rubymagick has been removed from debian [01:56] so it should probably be fried [01:56] altho its in a working state [01:56] elmo doesn't look over the wiki pages [01:56] bddebian: can you get him to kill mine? ;) he seems to ignore me ;) [01:56] slomo: http://bur.st/~lathiat/lineak-kdeplugins.debdiff [01:56] he said he'll point & laugh if people complain that something hasn't been done, and it's only on the wiki === Lathiat washses his hands of kde [01:57] Lathiat: good, you don't need to feel so dirty now ;) === Lathiat wouldn't read the wiki if he was elmo [01:57] unfortunately my hands are stained [01:57] permanantly [01:57] since avahi grew a qt dependancy [01:57] did you implement the kde bindings? [01:57] slomo: hrm? [01:58] Lathiat: oh sick [01:58] oh, no [01:58] s/kde/qt [01:58] jakubS did [01:58] ajmitch: I think we should open a bug for each package that we want to morgue [01:58] ah... i can't type anymore :( [01:58] bmonty_laptop: i dunno, i think asking elmo to do them is easier [01:58] bmonty_laptop: sure, but open bug where? [01:58] just mail him a list ? [01:58] malone? or does elmo not look at that as well? [01:58] he does not [01:58] hmmm... [01:59] I thought elmo didn't like those things? [01:59] Nafallo: which things? [01:59] bugs, wikis etcetera... [01:59] Cheesetracker.. That package name cracks me up.. :-) [01:59] you're right [01:59] irc and mail seems to be his way :-) [01:59] is anyone from MOTU reviewing the morgue candidates list? I put a few on there over the past couple days [01:59] he wants us to send him mail [01:59] ajmitch: did you tell your pal to build myth-plugins with gcc 3.4? [01:59] tseng: yes [01:59] tseng: don't think he's done so yet [02:00] ajmitch: yay [02:00] since it was 2AM I told him [02:01] slomo: Well I'm not sure he likes me much. I have been buggint the shit out of him lately with syncs and morgues :-( [02:01] bddebian: don't worry, I'll do that next week === ajmitch will have about 10 packages to sync at once [02:03] ajmitch: hm, can we do "syncs"? just getting a debian package, sign it with our key and upload? or will that break something? [02:03]