[12:19] <Bubblefly> >.> I seem to have killed #edubuntu
[04:23] <shik45> anyone got screenshots
[04:23] <shik45> i wanna see what it looks like
[04:23] <shik45> i use Ubuntu
[04:23] <shik45> with KDE
[04:23] <shik45> not kubuntu
[04:23] <shik45> anyone have screenshots?
[04:37] <jsgotangco> hi
[04:37] <jsgotangco> its basically the same desktop
[04:37] <jsgotangco> except that it'll have a different icon set and backgrounds
[05:57] <geirix> hi all
[05:58] <KermitJr> Hello
[05:58] <geirix> so everybody excited about edubuntu?
[05:59] <KermitJr> What's it take to get edit priviledges on wiki?
[05:59] <KermitJr> I think i'm excited... its almost perfect
[06:00] <KermitJr> anyone have wiki access? I ahve a recommendation 
[06:00] <geirix> yeah...i'm actually gona try to get the school i'm teaching in to move from m$ win xp and active directory to edubuntu
[06:00] <KermitJr> I run a non-profit that has been making a custom morphix livecd
[06:00] <KermitJr> and setting up ltsp
[06:00] <geirix> ubuntu is excellent, but to be able to teach kids linux, that is more then great
[06:00] <KermitJr> but I've been mainly kde
[06:00] <KermitJr> Having to mess a bit for the gnome part
[06:00] <KermitJr> seems smooth though
[06:00] <KermitJr> but the LiveCD stinks... SSSLLLLOOOOWWWWW
[06:01] <geirix> well, gnome is still ahead in my books :-)
[06:01] <KermitJr> And you should be able to install from livecd... I know that was an original goal of Oct release, but not gonna happen now
[06:01] <geirix> live cd's , hmmm... slax seems to have quick boot
[06:02] <jsgotangco> hi
[06:02] <KermitJr> Hey, wiki-people.... ggradebook isn't being worked on, I see... check out Open Admin: http://richtech.ca/openadmin/
[06:02] <geirix> hi
[06:02] <KermitJr> slax?
[06:02] <geirix> yeah....find it on distrowatch.com
[06:02] <geirix> it's quite an excellent livecd
[06:02] <KermitJr> I just meant that the ubuntu livecd is super slow compared to every other livecd I've tried
[06:02] <jsgotangco> its a small lightweight livecd based on slackware
[06:03] <jsgotangco> KermitJr, because a lot of things are loaded from the CD
[06:03] <KermitJr> And...
[06:03] <geirix> yes...ubuntu is a bit slow on the livecd - but why use ubuntu live - it's much better installed :-)
[06:03] <KermitJr> how is that diff from morphix or knoppix?
[06:03] <KermitJr> hehe... Not everyone I show linux too wants it installed for the demo...
[06:05] <geirix> everybody I show ubuntu on my ibm a20 thinkpad wants ubuntu on their computers right away
[06:05] <geirix> :-)
[06:06] <geirix> kinda nice feeling seeing people dump old bills os for ubuntu
[06:07] <KermitJr> Well, I'm interested inworking with edubuntu, but lack of wiki access is a downer
[06:07] <KermitJr> The LTSP aspect is what I REALLY like
[06:08] <geirix> have you tryed edu?
[06:08] <jsgotangco> lack of wiki access?
[06:08] <jsgotangco> just create a launchpad account
[06:08] <KermitJr> I did
[06:08] <KermitJr> it says on one tab that I'm logged in
[06:08] <KermitJr> on the other... wrong password
[06:08] <jsgotangco> thats trange i was just editing...
[06:09] <KermitJr> I keep getting "Sorry, wrong password" and this is after two resets
[06:10] <geirix> what wiki system are they using?
[06:10] <KermitJr> launchpad or something
[06:10] <geirix> don't get them.....would use e107 with wiki addon instead
[06:10] <geirix> much faster
[06:11] <geirix> and just a single password
[06:11] <geirix> and if you forget it, you get it e-mailed right away
[06:15] <KermitJr> ok, figured it out... had to use my email address for the wiki login the first time
[06:15] <KermitJr> weird... that instead of wiki name
[06:15] <geirix> hehehe
[06:15] <geirix> happens
[06:15] <KermitJr> the gpg verification was a total pain
[06:20] <KermitJr> gnight all. I'll be back
[06:35] <shik45> anyone have screenshots
[06:39] <shik45> come on guys
[06:39] <shik45> Burgundavia:  cyphase danjules highvoltage  JaneW jsgotangco 
[06:39] <shik45> screenshots?
[06:47] <jsgotangco> hi
[06:48] <jsgotangco> shik45, its basically ubuntu with a different icon set, background and extra apps
[06:48] <shik45> lol like wut
[06:49] <shik45> no special apps made by ubuntu
[06:49] <jsgotangco> kde edu apps, blender
[06:49] <shik45> like child controls
[06:49] <jsgotangco> it was deferred
[06:49] <shik45> kde or gnome
[06:49] <jsgotangco> its gnome by default
[06:49] <jsgotangco> we can't promise everything
[06:50] <jsgotangco> we currently have a stable base and we'll build upon it
[06:53] <shik45> ur part of project?
[06:53] <jsgotangco> i contribute yes
[06:53] <shik45> cool
[06:53] <shik45> as a student i use gimp a lot
[06:53] <shik45> kshutdown
[06:53] <shik45> as well
[06:54] <jsgotangco> what does kshutdown do?
[06:54] <shik45> shutdown timer and task closing timer
[06:54] <shik45> and some other stuff
[06:54] <shik45> it is great
[06:55] <shik45> kde is better for student
[06:55] <jsgotangco> ahhh
[06:55] <shik45> with klipper kompose
[06:55] <shik45> u guys have all edutainment packages?
[06:56] <jsgotangco> ogra packaged the basics
[06:56] <shik45> and abiword is better and openoffice.org editort
[06:56] <jsgotangco> because the focus at the moment is ltsp
[06:56] <shik45> itsp?
[06:57] <jsgotangco> edubuntu is a network-oriented system
[06:57] <jsgotangco> although it can be installed as a stand alone system
[06:57] <shik45> for schools 
[06:57] <shik45> i c
[06:57] <shik45> u know any one that is gonna use it
[06:57] <shik45> wisconsin is opensource
[06:57] <jsgotangco> we have testers yes
[06:57] <shik45> talk to them
[06:58] <shik45> thoose fucks use Linspire
[06:58] <shik45> who tests?
[06:58] <jsgotangco> not sure where they are located
[06:58] <shik45> k
[06:58] <jsgotangco> but we have it on the lists
[06:58] <shik45> international support?
[06:58] <shik45> thoose peeps are the easy ones to convert
[06:58] <jsgotangco> sure edubuntu is basically ubuntu with extended features
[06:58] <shik45> poor and smart
[06:58] <shik45> India baby
[06:59] <shik45> where i am from
[06:59] <jsgotangco> i see
[06:59] <shik45> get kshutdown in there tho
[06:59] <jsgotangco> too late
[06:59] <jsgotangco> we're already in preview
[06:59] <jsgotangco> maybe next release in april
[06:59] <jsgotangco> you can just install it though
[06:59] <shik45> for next release then
[06:59] <shik45> it is great
[07:00] <shik45> i think it KDE compatible 2
[07:02] <shik45> jsgotangco: would people care if i dropped in one next meeting
[07:02] <shik45> not to contribute but listen
[07:02] <jsgotangco> sure
[07:02] <jsgotangco> its always open
[07:02] <shik45> nice
[07:02] <shik45> could u email me chatlog
[07:02] <shik45> in case i have school
[07:03] <shik45> u know with school and bball it is hard
[07:03] <shik45> ?
[07:03] <jsgotangco> the log is always avaialble at people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione
[07:03] <shik45> thanks
[07:06] <jsgotangco> ogra, building LTSP chroot on stage 2? im impressed =)
[07:07] <jsgotangco> s/stage 2/stage 1
[07:31] <jsgotangco> shik45, i forgot to tellyou, edubuntu can be installed as standalone
[07:31] <shik45> nice
[07:31] <shik45> i am petitioning to get a linux box at school
[07:31] <shik45> maybe an eduknoppix or edubuntu
[07:31] <jsgotangco> just type workstation at the cd boot prompt
[07:32] <shik45> k
[07:33] <shik45> thnx
[07:33] <shik45> i am interested in getting an Ubuntu box
[07:33] <shik45> r techies r noobs\
[07:33] <shik45> use microsuck server
[07:33] <shik45> i wanna em to run Gentoo or Ubuntu
[07:33] <shik45> or Slack
[07:33] <shik45> Kanotix or buntu for desktops
[07:34] <shik45> but they are stubborn
[07:34] <shik45> lots of macs and windows boxes
[07:34] <shik45> no LInux which is bull
[07:34] <shik45> because last years valedivtorian used Debian
[08:21] <JaneW> morning
[08:30] <highvoltage> morning
[08:30] <highvoltage> JaneW: i uploaded my ct photos: http://jonathancarter.co.za/photies/sfdza2005
[08:31] <JaneW> highvoltage: hello, I'll take a look....
[08:32] <JaneW> nice pics
[08:39] <JaneW> nice pics :)
[08:47] <jsgotangco> agghhh i envy ZA SFD celebrations...
[08:47] <highvoltage> :)
[08:48] <jsgotangco> hrmmm why is that our workstation default doesn't have a wallpaper
[08:50] <jsgotangco> hmmm it seems i like our workstation version compared to ubuntu default....
[09:27] <highvoltage> i've installed edubuntu with another ip address than in EdubuntuTesting
[09:27] <highvoltage> should it work if i just chance it in /etc/network/interfaces?
[09:28] <highvoltage> esh, i'll just re-install.
[09:29] <jsgotangco> gaaah die tuxmath
[09:30] <jsgotangco> you make me show my weaknesss
[09:49] <highvoltage> ogra: wow. thanks for the mention in the announce. i'm ecstatic! and i feel completely motivated :)
[10:00] <jsgotangco> yeah
[10:04] <jsgotangco> for some reason some of the apps have no sound...
[10:04] <jsgotangco> gcompris for example
[10:04] <jsgotangco> and tuxmath
[10:11] <JaneW> highvoltage: that was me :)
[10:11] <JaneW> jsgotangco: ditto
[10:12] <JaneW> ogra told me to put ppl like Matt and Mark in... I put the imporatnt ppl in ;)
[10:12] <highvoltage> JaneW: then thanks to you, JaneW of Edubuntu!
[10:12] <JaneW> ogra: ping - when you are around
[10:12] <JaneW> lol
[10:13] <jsgotangco> im important?
[10:13] <JaneW> flint is a character...
[10:13] <JaneW> jsgotangco: yep, documentation is a big deal...
[10:13] <jsgotangco> have you seen the wiki?
[10:13] <jsgotangco> i can do more work in the wiki than in docbook
[10:15] <jsgotangco> just let me finish putting the cookbook stuff before i announce it to list for more volunteers
[10:15] <JaneW> jsgotangco: cool, I haven't had a chance to read the deatil but yesterday it was looking much better and I saw the 'about' doc appear there ;)
[10:15] <JaneW> jsgotangco: great, that will be awesome.
[10:15] <jsgotangco> its quite easy from now on
[10:15] <JaneW> highvoltage: did you troubleshooting guide get finished?
[10:15] <jsgotangco> i have a visible edubuntu workstation
[10:15] <JaneW> yippee
[10:15] <jsgotangco> even if i dont ltsp it, its workable
[10:16] <JaneW> jsgotangco: so you don;t have to be 'diificult' anymore *duck*
[10:16] <JaneW> JOKE!!!!!
[10:16] <jsgotangco> JaneW, better prepare for our release notes
[10:16] <jsgotangco> there will be issues for sure out of the box
[10:16] <JaneW> nod
[10:16] <jsgotangco> but basically ubuntu issues are edubuntu issues
[10:17] <JaneW> yes, sadly
[10:17] <jsgotangco> unfortunately we don't have time to call for translations
[10:17] <JaneW> but conversely ubuntu improvements are edubuntu improvements
[10:17] <jsgotangco> so during UBZ if you get an edubuntu track, don't forget the translations
[10:17] <JaneW> jsgotangco: no, we'll translate after the realse and for the next round...
[10:18] <jsgotangco> yup
[10:18] <jsgotangco> we'll feed them to the rosetta system as well
[10:18] <JaneW> we had community offers to help for French and Spenaish at least already...
[10:18] <jsgotangco> im not surprised
[10:18] <JaneW> jsgotangco: do you know how to do that?
[10:18] <jsgotangco> they're just waiting for the pot
[10:18] <jsgotangco> sure
[10:18] <JaneW> Spanish I meant
[10:18] <jsgotangco> we fed the pot to rosetta
[10:18] <spacey> what kind of stuff need translation that is not already done for ubuntu?
[10:18] <jsgotangco> ubuntu-doc and faq-guide are already in rosetta
[10:19] <jsgotangco> those docs will go into edubuntu for sure
[10:19] <rejden> re
[10:20] <spacey> i installed edubuntu preview yesterday on future terminal server and the result was quite nice. really cute to say the least:)
[10:20] <jsgotangco> sure
[10:20] <jsgotangco> i love gartoon
[10:20] <jsgotangco> too bad we don't have all icons in gartoon
[10:21] <spacey> too bad that administrative icons still visible for non admin users
[10:21] <jsgotangco> JaneW, what happened to the other wallpapers?
[10:21] <jsgotangco> spacey, maybe when we get an app like sabayon next time, we'll be able to ditch them
[10:22] <highvoltage> JaneW: yes
[10:22] <spacey> jsgotangco, sabayon is in right?
[10:23] <spacey> i already tested it
[10:23] <jsgotangco> spacey, i haven't tried it
[10:23] <jsgotangco> its not a feature atm
[10:23] <spacey> but you can't change places/system menu with it
[10:23] <spacey> jsgotangco, it is in ;) you should try. it actually works
[10:24] <spacey> but not possible to change the menu with that
[10:24] <spacey> it is possible to change it with smeg
[10:24] <spacey> but only the applications panel it seemed
[10:24] <jsgotangco> the problem on my side is that i couldn't make my system too personalized it makes writing hard
[10:24] <spacey> not the system menu
[10:25] <jsgotangco> if i had enough resources i'd just chroot
[10:25] <spacey> jsgotangco, for doc you mean?
[10:25] <jsgotangco> yes
[10:25] <spacey> jsgotangco, just add an extra user
[10:25] <spacey> you can edit just that user in sabayon, same for the menu
[10:25] <jsgotangco> well that's one thing
[10:25] <jsgotangco> i can try that later
[10:25] <spacey> ;)
[10:25] <jsgotangco> im just updating the edubuntu desktop atm
[10:26] <jsgotangco> 2 ba talaga cpu mo?
[10:26] <jsgotangco> heh
[10:26] <jsgotangco> baka naman asa lang
[10:26] <spacey> we were gonna deploy ubuntu terminal server on a school in a while, but after i tried edubuntu yesterday, i guess it will be edubuntu :) it is a primary school after all
[10:26] <jsgotangco> oopss wrong channel
[10:26] <JaneW> jsgotangco: I think there's no space for them :(
[10:27] <spacey> what language was that? :P
[10:27] <JaneW> jsgotangco, highvoltage see http://art.ubuntu.com/backgrounds/edubuntu/ for them all. New ones too...
[10:29] <JaneW> the edubuntu girl has 5 stars and is on the favorites list :)
[10:30] <jsgotangco> can i make my angst-ridden edubuntu wallpaper? =)
[10:30] <highvoltage> edubuntu girl is cool.
[10:30] <spacey> i really like the edubuntugirl wall paper
[10:31] <highvoltage> i think i'll call her little jane of edubuntu from now on :)
[10:31] <spacey> hehe
[10:31] <jsgotangco> i like it too
[10:32] <jsgotangco> Back to nature looks too ZA =P
[10:35] <jsgotangco> hrmmm so multiverse now has acrobat as well
[10:36] <jsgotangco> ahhh ill probably use edubuntu in my presentation pc
[10:36] <jsgotangco> in linuxworld
[10:36] <jsgotangco> hehe
[10:38] <JaneW> LOL
[10:38] <jsgotangco> sure
[10:38] <jsgotangco> its pretty stable
[10:38] <jsgotangco> it has bling
[10:41] <JaneW> Sebastein Loss: said we were welcome to use his work for edubuntu too... he is/was doing some edubunut  stuff for us, but is a little busy...
[10:41] <JaneW> can anybody edit the logo on some of these for us?
[10:41] <jsgotangco> what a Loss
[10:41] <JaneW> http://ubuntu.tux.com.au/gallery/albums.php
[10:41] <JaneW> heh
[10:42] <JaneW> they are very crisp, and will appeal tp kids...
[10:42] <jsgotangco> ah yes the badger mock-ups
[10:42] <jsgotangco> they remind me of ice age
[10:42] <JaneW> also - http://sloss.free.fr/CCPapers.html
[10:42] <JaneW> yes it is quite Ice Age-like
[10:43] <JaneW> I like http://sloss.free.fr/breezy/BB_nerd.png for edubuntu as well
[10:43] <jsgotangco> they look more like cd sleeves hmmm
[10:45] <JaneW> the gnome splash at the bottom of http://sloss.free.fr/CCPapers.html could make nice wall papers too...
[10:46] <JaneW> jsgotangco: then you're probably looking in the CD Civers section, look in the Breezy gallery
[10:46] <jsgotangco> hrmmm i think they look better as splash images
[10:50] <spacey> http://sloss.free.fr/documents/ShavyBreezy.swf <- hehe
[10:51] <JaneW> we need a splash screen and icons etc uploaded to http://art.ubuntu.com/
[10:52] <JaneW> chuckle...
[10:53] <ogra> JaneW, pong
[10:53] <JaneW> ogra: hello
[10:54] <jsgotangco> ogra!
[11:00] <jsgotangco> wtf "Add Applications" is pretty solid
[11:02] <ogra> did you want it softer ? 
[11:03] <jsgotangco> hmm
[11:03] <jsgotangco> there's something odd
[11:03] <jsgotangco> the first thing a user would probably do is add all the apps he wants to install
[11:04] <ogra> you mean it shoudnt be there ? 
[11:07] <jsgotangco> im trying to reproduce something...
[11:07] <jsgotangco> but everything is smooth at the moment
[11:08] <ogra> fine...
[11:08] <jsgotangco> you seem upset...
[11:08] <ogra> we have an odd bug about the education menu and all other KDE apps disappearing from themenu unintentionally... keep an eye on that
[11:08] <ogra> nope, im not upset at all :)
[11:09] <jsgotangco> ogra, what happened to the sound of the other apps?
[11:09] <jsgotangco> i seem to need to install another sound device for them?
[11:09] <ogra> which other apps ? 
[11:09] <jsgotangco> gcompris, tuxmath, tuxtyping
[11:11] <ogra> they should work... gcompris is mising the non english sounds on the cd, you nedd to install them additionally... its a installer regression that needs to be solved, they should get installed with the langpacks
[11:21] <jsgotangco> ogra, alsa mixer should work right?
[11:21] <ogra> jsgotangco, depends, i think it wont if the user isnt in the audio group
[11:24] <jsgotangco> sudo user? =) hmmm something is missing perhaps
[11:49] <jsgotangco> brb
[11:58] <rehdon> Hi all
[01:14] <JaneW> ogra: ping
[01:30] <JaneW> what's happened to ogra...?
[01:30] <ogra> i'm here, sorry, i was in the other room for a while
[01:31] <JaneW> ok.
[01:31] <JaneW> ogra: just need to know if you;ve submitted your eval forms for your 2 Google guys yet...
[01:31] <JaneW> they need to be in.
[01:32] <ogra> ouch... i missed it through all the preview trouble... is it to late already ? 
[01:40] <JaneW> ogra: no but must be done asap
[01:40] <ogra> oki.... 
[01:40] <ogra> sorry...
[01:40] <JaneW> ogra: also did Vedran do anything useful wrt Lightweight Desktop in the end?
[01:41] <JaneW> must I send you mail again re Google evals?
[01:41] <ogra> he submitted a applist from his testing...
[01:41] <ogra> nope, i should have everything
[01:42] <JaneW> http://code.google.com/grants/survey-m.html
[01:43] <JaneW> ogra: I have someone wanting to work on Lightweight desktop
[01:43] <JaneW> can I forward mail to you for evaluation/comment?
[01:43] <ogra> yup
[01:44] <JaneW> ta
[01:53] <ogra> hrm...
[01:53] <ogra> he doesnt get what schooltool is it seems
[01:54] <ogra> JaneW, all his stuff looks to me liek a commercial to promote his school management tool... he seems not to get that this isnt our target at all currently
[01:56] <ogra> JaneW, and he talks about "pages" there is only the schooltool flaming page where he says that schooltool isnt sufficient to manage a whole school...
[01:58] <ogra> (which is true and which nobody opposes)
[01:59] <ogra> i really dont know what to tell him ...
[01:59] <JaneW> ogra: next e-mail...
[01:59] <ogra> yup
[02:00] <JaneW> ogra: re dominic I don;t think we need to address that right now...
[02:00] <ogra> nope
[02:00] <JaneW> other stuff to focus on - the release for instance right now ;)
[02:00] <ogra> heh, waht do you think i'm doig *g*
[02:15] <JaneW> 1 month today... till release.
[02:15] <ogra> yup
[02:21] <magnon> I wonder how canada is
[02:21] <ogra> cod ?
[02:21] <ogra> cold even
[02:22] <magnon> Norway is cold already, I can handle that
[02:22] <magnon> This election mostly ass-drove my business :P
[03:18] <JaneW> ogra: can you let me know when your Google eval forms are in, I need to send a notification to them.
[03:18] <JaneW> thanks
[03:23] <spacey> JaneW, lots of work to do on edubuntu btw? or not known until after UBZ?
[03:25] <JaneW> spacey: yes we have  lots to do, but our main problem is resource limitations, although we draw on all the ubuntu developmeent we only have 1 dedicated developer, 
[03:25] <JaneW> aqnd even then he has loads of other responsibilites
[03:27] <spacey> JaneW, for the school assignment i might be able to assist in this (what we discussed on ubuntu-devel)?
[03:27] <JaneW> spacey: yes possibly...
[03:27] <spacey> trying to figure out if its possible to attend on UBZ as well now. 
[03:27] <JaneW> spacey: we just need to make sure you don't need to much hand holding from ogra, cos like I said he's quite over extended already...
[03:28] <spacey> at least when i get the school assignment i would really like to go there
[03:28] <JaneW> spacey: where are you based?
[03:28] <spacey> the netherlands
[03:29] <spacey> JaneW, would depend on nature of work i guess, but i can also get some guidance from other people i guess (from ubuntu-nl for example). 
[03:29] <spacey> at least one MOTU there
[03:30] <ogra> spacey, Treenaks is a good help ;)
[03:30] <spacey> ogra, yeah i know :)
[03:32] <spacey> JaneW, as soon as i know more i will let you know. at least i'm happy that there are possibilities
[03:34] <ogra> JaneW, seb128 and \sh deserve a huge goldstar for tracking the worst edubuntu bug we have (disappearing education menu)
[03:41] <JaneW> ogra: sounds bad!
[03:41] <ogra> JaneW, nope
[03:42] <ogra> they seem to solve it... it affects all KDE menu entrys in the gnome menu... but it was only discovered through edubuntu...
[03:43] <ogra> so its quite cool they track and solve it... since this is a very hard one
[03:45] <JaneW> wow
[03:45] <ogra> yup
[03:46] <ogra> its not triggered by anything, not reproducable but the menu just disappears magically once in a while nothing to track easily.... 
[04:04] <JaneW> weird
[04:17] <spacey> if i would help on edubuntu what kind of work would be suitable?
[04:30] <jsgotangco> heya
[04:33] <mpt> spacey: Have you seen http://edubuntu.org/#head-7f43d70c22cfd4ca7a9e43611783561f426f59c1 ?
[04:34] <spacey> mpt, you mean "how can i help" part?
[04:35] <mpt> yes
[04:51] <spacey> mpt, that doesn't help
[04:51] <spacey> but thanks
[05:01] <mpt> spacey: Then your next step is pestering ogra until he gives you something to do
[05:01] <mpt> What sort of things are you good at?
[05:02] <spacey> mpt, i think i will have to wait for UBZ
[05:02] <spacey> won't start before november anyway
[05:04] <jsgotangco> ??
[05:05] <mpt> spacey: You mean you won't have time to start helping before UBZ?
[05:05] <jsgotangco> spacey: if you want to help out, you can start by contributing to the Cookbook =)
[05:07] <spacey> mpt, yeah
[05:07] <spacey> correct
[05:09] <mpt> spacey: What are you good at? Programming? QA? Writing? Graphic design?
[05:09] <jsgotangco> hrmmm how can one make a blocked quote in moin
[05:10] <spacey> mpt, i was thinking more about packagestuff and bug solving
[05:10] <mpt> ogra, are the Edubuntu-specific packages registered in Launchpad?
[05:11] <spacey> but i don't think its nessecary to specify it at this point. i already found a way to describe it
[05:11] <spacey> because i will do other stuff as well.
[05:11] <jsgotangco> spacey: solving ubuntu bugs helps edubuntu
[05:11] <jsgotangco> as well as packaging
[05:12] <spacey> yes yes, i will see what happens, i'm trying to get free from school to go to UBZ
[05:12] <spacey> 25% chance
[05:12] <spacey> hehe
[05:12] <jsgotangco> ah
[05:12] <spacey> jsgotangco, it will be for school anyway
[05:13] <spacey> but then i can work few months almost fulltime on ubuntu so ;)
[05:13] <jsgotangco> if its just a short trip, take time, its worth it
[05:13] <jsgotangco> wow
[05:16] <jsgotangco> mpt: how is UbuntuHelp going?
[05:17] <mpt> jsgotangco: ok -- the hardest parts are where there is *no* existing documentation, whatever the quality
[05:19] <jsgotangco> hrmmm...i've been dumping some stuff in gnome itself for 2.12
[05:20] <jsgotangco> it'll probably come its way in the next version
[05:20] <jsgotangco> so hopefully our next gnome won't have a 2.6 user doc
[05:24] <ogra> mpt, i dont think so (i havent have time to think about it yet, to be honest)
[05:24] <ogra> s/have/had/
[05:36] <jsgotangco> gahh wiki work can be a bore sometimes
[10:29] <Mewm> hey
[10:29] <Mewm> Anyone know when the new Ubuntu will be released?
[10:48] <ogra> JaneW, its unlikely that we can support SWM in main, its 100% webmin based, which suffers from security and upgradeability issues ... (it similar to mediawiki), but i'll happily package it for universe breezy+1...
[11:01] <JaneW> ogra: hi, on phone...
[11:01] <ogra> yup, recognized, no need to answer :)
[11:08] <mhiggins> hi everyone this is my first time to use irc so if i do it worng sorry. looking at the edubuntu project & wondering if it could be run over a wan / web conection rather than lan if the clients had enough bandwith, most of the clients (80%) & the server have 100mbps web connections with the balance (20%) on 30-50 mbps connections
[11:11] <ogra> mhiggins, i guess you'll have a problem booting over the internet
[11:12] <mhiggins> can't i point the boot rom to a fixed ip instead of dhcp?
[11:14] <ogra> hmm, try it, thats nothing that has been tested with edubuntu
[11:16] <ogra> and if it works will very much depend on the interconnect routing... you dont have guaranteed speeds in the internet...
[11:16] <ogra> so these may vary ...
[11:17] <mhiggins> yes this is my concern, the guys with fiber should be ok but the guys on vdsl are slower ie ping the server locally .4ms ping it over vdsl & its up to 6~7ms wondering what rendering will be like with this kind of speed drop
[11:17] <ogra> to test if this works at all, you could just open ssh on a server, and run on the client "ssh -X user@serverip gnome-session"
[11:19] <ogra> indeed you need a running xserver on the client for that
[11:19] <mhiggins> very smart simple test, will try it out later today
[11:19] <mhiggins> can you have a safe nfs web connection?
[11:20] <ogra> hmm, no idea if you can tunnel that somehow...
[11:23] <mhiggins> the other alternative was to try & do it with freenx server but this would mean you have client software, hardisks that are remote etc  to support
[11:33] <mhiggins> ogra thanks for your input, have to go to work now will try it out tonight
[11:33] <ogra> youre welcome :) tell me if it works :)
[11:35] <JaneW> ogra: ping
[11:35] <ogra> JaneW, pong
[11:35] <JaneW> do you have a bug number for that menu bug?
[11:35] <mhiggins> damb if i can get it to work i will tell the world, anyway it opens up a lot of remote learning solutions
[11:35] <ogra> JaneW, 14967
[11:35] <ogra> JaneW, worst bug ever
[11:36] <ogra> JaneW, i'll try to find a inotify specialist tomorrow
[11:37] <JaneW> mdz is looking at it ;)
[11:37] <ogra> yup, i saw it...
[11:38] <ogra> he already added some duplicates...
[11:39] <ogra> he sadly didnt answer my question before... i have a fixed dhcp server package here, but dont wantto upload it with his approval
[11:39] <ogra> err s/with/without
[11:41] <JaneW> ogra: just got off the phone with him...
[11:41] <JaneW> so you can grab him now...
[11:41] <JaneW> was on the phone for over an hour...
[11:43] <ogra> i saw the start in the other channel
[11:46] <JaneW> heh
[11:46] <JaneW> ogra: cockroach and all ;)
[11:46] <ogra> yes :)
[11:47] <ogra> yippie, fix approved :) 
[11:47] <JaneW> ogra: last ping re the Google evl forms - in yet?
[11:47] <ogra> one bug less
[11:47] <JaneW> s/evl/eval
[11:47] <JaneW> ogra: yay, well done
[11:47] <ogra> JaneW, before i go to sleep today, promised
[11:48] <JaneW> ogra: it's not too hard to fill in - promise
[11:48] <ogra> heh :)
[11:48] <JaneW> plus you'll get a special limited edition t-shirt if you do
[11:48] <JaneW> just what all IT ppl need - more T-shirts....
[11:49] <JaneW> some comic relief for you...http://windward.nodalpoint.net/doc/media/liikenne.swf (needs sound)
[11:49] <ogra> needs flash ... no flash for me on amd64
[11:50] <JaneW> runs for me... I don't have flash...
[11:50] <JaneW> do I?
[11:50] <JaneW> I get 'install missing plugin' notices all the time...
[11:50] <ogra> obviously :) its a swf (shockwave flash) file
[11:51] <ogra> thats more likely java thats missing
[11:52] <JaneW> oic d'oh
[11:52] <JaneW> although a flash page wouldn't load yesterday...
[11:52] <JaneW> whatever
[11:53] <JaneW> cool, new edubuntu wall papers - I think Sebastein Loss u/led them....
[11:54] <JaneW> http://art.ubuntu.com/backgrounds/edubuntu/
[11:55] <JaneW> ypw: confussed?