| judax | are there reppositories to pull the kubuntu preview down with apt? | 12:06 |
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| Madpilot | judax: best ask on either #kubuntu or #ubuntu if you want the Breezy preview for Kubuntu | 12:07 |
| judax | ok, was going to work on preview notes and didn't want to do the cd thing | 12:08 |
| Madpilot | judax: ah... did you want the Breezy documentation, or the actual OS? | 12:08 |
| judax | Madpilot: I wanted the actual os, I know the base is the ubuntu breezy repos, but am not figuring out how to grab kubuntu breezy addtions, like the new apt front-end, tec | 12:11 |
| judax | s/tec/etc | 12:11 |
| judax | Madpilot: I will ask over in kubuntu, just thought maybe jjesse or froud might have done it | 12:12 |
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| duncan_nz1 | Brian, are you reading this just now? | 01:03 |
| ajmitch | hello duncan_nz1 | 01:09 |
| ajmitch | Madpilot: ping | 01:10 |
| Madpilot | ajmitch: pong | 01:10 |
| Madpilot | hi duncan_nz1 | 01:10 |
| ajmitch | Madpilot: just pinging to tell you duncan is here :) | 01:11 |
| Madpilot | thank | 01:11 |
| Madpilot | duncan_nz1: I'm Brian Burger | 01:11 |
| Madpilot | duncan_nz1: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WikiSandBox <-- instead of the Test pages you were using | 01:19 |
| mdke | hi all | 01:30 |
| Madpilot | hi mdke | 01:30 |
| jeffsch | mdke: did the makefile fix work? | 01:30 |
| segfault | are db2html running cleanly in about-ubuntu.xml? | 01:35 |
| segfault | is | 01:35 |
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| mdke | jeffsch, not sure, i haven't checked yet | 01:39 |
| mdke | jeffsch, but looks good, thanks | 01:39 |
| mdke | welcome duncan_nz1 | 01:40 |
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| mdke | gah | 01:42 |
| mdke | my screen crashed | 01:42 |
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| Burgundavia | Madpilot, I am waiting for the art work freeze or near then | 02:29 |
| Madpilot | Burgundavia: you talking about Water7's question above? | 02:30 |
| Burgundavia | Madpilot, yes | 02:31 |
| Madpilot | OK | 02:31 |
| Burgundavia | and text is not yet done and might not be translatable | 02:31 |
| Madpilot | because it's not in XML? | 02:32 |
| Burgundavia | jeffsch, where is the doc now? | 02:32 |
| Burgundavia | Madpilot, yes | 02:32 |
| jeffsch | Burgundavia: ? | 02:33 |
| jeffsch | Madpilot: xhtml is xml | 02:34 |
| jeffsch | if the pot file can be made from any old xml, then it should work | 02:34 |
| Burgundavia | jeffsch, the quicktour. Is the built version still here --> http://doc.ubuntu.com/gnome/quicktour/quicktour.html | 02:35 |
| jeffsch | as mdke :). That's where the makefile should be putting it now | 02:36 |
| jeffsch | Madpilot: my understanding is that the pot file consists of nothing more than strings that need to be translated | 02:38 |
| jeffsch | the translators create a po file from the pot file, and fill in the blanks with their particular language | 02:38 |
| jeffsch | pot = Portable Object Template | 02:38 |
| jeffsch | po = Portable Object | 02:38 |
| Madpilot | cool | 02:38 |
| jeffsch | this is pure speculation on my part, but i suspect that when a the po file is complete, the tools do a search and replace | 02:41 |
| jeffsch | they search for the original string, replace it with the translation, and output it all to a new file | 02:41 |
| jeffsch | keeping all the stuff between '<' and '>' intact | 02:42 |
| Madpilot | makes sense - tag-detection isn't a difficult trick usually. still pretty cool | 02:44 |
| duncan_nz1 | hi, um, sorry i got burried in geneology stuff. And now it's 3am in denmark | 02:50 |
| duncan_nz1 | I'm a kiwi (new zealander) in denmark | 02:51 |
| duncan_nz1 | We'll talk another day. | 02:51 |
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| Burgundavia | jeffsch, in that case, it still is not being updated | 03:01 |
| Burgundavia | jeffsch, I have to run, but I may be on later | 03:01 |
| jeffsch | you will have to talk to mdke about it. I only changed the one in trunk, as I haven't co'd the other branch | 03:02 |
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| jsgotangco | hiya | 03:34 |
| Madpilot | hi jsgotangco | 03:34 |
| jbailey | jsgotangco: Heya. | 03:39 |
| jbailey | I didn't manage to catch pitti today, but I need to get an updated ubuntu-docs uploaded. | 03:40 |
| jsgotangco | hey | 03:40 |
| jbailey | Might wind up doing it tomorrow morning, though, I'm quite tied. | 03:40 |
| jbailey | +r | 03:40 |
| jsgotangco | np | 03:40 |
| jsgotangco | you're getting it from branch right | 03:40 |
| jbailey | Yup | 03:40 |
| jbailey | I'm assuming that anythiung that's approved to be in will either get put in the branch by you guys, or I'll get poked to sync (either is fine) | 03:41 |
| jbailey | IIRC, I need to unify the various FAQs into one, and do the scrollkeeper bits to do the XML. | 03:41 |
| jsgotangco | they're just docs..probably the the last package or to be included in our package is the release notes | 03:42 |
| jbailey | Was the quicktour redone in docbook? | 03:42 |
| jsgotangco | no | 03:42 |
| jsgotangco | its just html | 03:42 |
| jsgotangco | hold on | 03:42 |
| jbailey | 'k. Should I just ship what I've got then> | 03:42 |
| jbailey | ? | 03:42 |
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| jsgotangco | unify the faq? | 03:42 |
| jsgotangco | make it one massive docbook? | 03:42 |
| jbailey | In the meeting or just before it, someone said that all the faqs were the same for each arch | 03:42 |
| jbailey | So it should be one faq, not faqi386, faqppc, faqamd64 | 03:42 |
| jsgotangco | oh i thought the doc itself | 03:43 |
| jbailey | No, nothing insane like that. | 03:43 |
| jbailey | Just that instead of shipping 3, I only need to ship one of them since it's generic. | 03:43 |
| ajmitch | sounds reasonable, why would there be different faqs per arch? | 03:44 |
| jsgotangco | because the authors did so | 03:44 |
| jbailey | ajmitch: bootloader stuff or dualboot config, etc? | 03:44 |
| jsgotangco | all 3 arches had different authors | 03:44 |
| jbailey | ajmitch: I can think of a number of things that would go per-arch. | 03:44 |
| jsgotangco | i always thought it was merged | 03:44 |
| ajmitch | jbailey: right | 03:45 |
| jsgotangco | errmm why am i assigned a malone bug about docs | 03:50 |
| jsgotangco | heh | 03:50 |
| ajmitch | jsgotangco: because you're docmaster? | 03:52 |
| jbailey | Docteam needs a cool acronym like MOTU | 03:52 |
| jbailey | Perhaps we can be the homeys. | 03:52 |
| ajmitch | heh | 03:52 |
| jbailey | Because we have the power of the WORD! | 03:52 |
| jsgotangco | hmm seems to be a rosetta issue | 03:53 |
| jsgotangco | or must be the pot | 03:53 |
| HrdwrBoB | DUDE .. Documentation of Ubuntu by Dudes on the internEt | 03:53 |
| jbailey | jsgotangco: I've had several friends say that lately. =) | 03:53 |
| jsgotangco | haha | 03:54 |
| jsgotangco | hmm launchpad seems to be primed up for UBZ | 03:56 |
| ajmitch | the spec stuff looks like it needs work on there | 03:57 |
| ajmitch | jsgotangco: where's the draft of the admin guide you talked about? | 03:57 |
| ajmitch | in svn at the moment? | 03:57 |
| jsgotangco | yes | 03:57 |
| jbailey | So I think I'll go pass out now and wake up early and do this. | 04:10 |
| jbailey | It's 27 degrees here still, and that's outside. | 04:10 |
| jsgotangco | that's in F i guess | 04:10 |
| jbailey | What? | 04:10 |
| ajmitch | alright, see you later | 04:10 |
| jbailey | No, civilised measurements. | 04:10 |
| ajmitch | K then :) | 04:11 |
| jbailey | ajmitch: What civilisatoin do you know of that uses K? =) | 04:11 |
| ajmitch | jbailey: only scientists, and they're a bit on the edge | 04:11 |
| ajmitch | we use the same scale, of course | 04:11 |
| jbailey | Right. That's like claiming free software hackers as a civilisation. | 04:11 |
| ajmitch | the base is just shifted 273.15 :) | 04:11 |
| jbailey | Can you think of a more miserable society? | 04:12 |
| ajmitch | (iirc) | 04:12 |
| jbailey | Somewhere in there. | 04:12 |
| ajmitch | one made up of middle management & telephone sanitisers? | 04:12 |
| jbailey | Nah. Middle managment at least knows how to party. | 04:12 |
| jbailey | They can eat and drink with the best of them. | 04:12 |
| jbailey | And I'd hate to be wiped out by a virulent diesease caused by a dirty telephone... | 04:13 |
| ajmitch | the committees & the meetings, though.. | 04:14 |
| jsgotangco | that's why i quit my job as being one | 04:14 |
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| Burglaptop | ok, how do I set the background colour on these bloody slides? | 06:10 |
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| jsgotangco | lol | 06:11 |
| jsgotangco | master slide? | 06:11 |
| Burglaptop | yes | 06:12 |
| Burglaptop | I don't get this | 06:12 |
| jsgotangco | hmm whatever happened to muine's minimize function via esc key? | 06:12 |
| Burglaptop | found it | 06:13 |
| Burglaptop | under format-->page, 2nd tab is background | 06:13 |
| jsgotangco | impress 2 has some serious navigation issues | 06:14 |
| jsgotangco | its just way too different from the 1.x series | 06:14 |
| Burglaptop | impress needs to die, period | 06:14 |
| Burglaptop | it took 55 seconds to boot OO2 on my laptop | 06:14 |
| jsgotangco | wow | 06:14 |
| Burglaptop | with epiphany and xchat running | 06:14 |
| Burglaptop | and epip is lighter than FF | 06:14 |
| jsgotangco | mine doesn't take that long really probably around 8 secs | 06:14 |
| Burglaptop | 40 secs to get to the splash | 06:14 |
| jsgotangco | cracking | 06:15 |
| Burglaptop | ok, here is another really dumb thing | 06:15 |
| Burglaptop | I cannot seem to get a custom colour dialog up | 06:15 |
| Burglaptop | so I can choose one of the Ubuntu palettes | 06:15 |
| Burglaptop | and the default colours look like shite | 06:15 |
| jsgotangco | brb lunch | 06:18 |
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| Burglaptop | ok, screw impress, I am going to do with pointless | 06:49 |
| Madpilot | pointless? | 06:51 |
| Burglaptop | a very basic presentation app | 06:52 |
| Burglaptop | http://pointless.dk/examples/viewme.pll/ | 06:52 |
| jsgotangco | i prefer magicpoint | 06:52 |
| Madpilot | with that wonderful name? ;) | 06:52 |
| ajmitch | pointless works ok in breezy now? :) | 06:53 |
| jsgotangco | "A Pointless Presentation" | 06:54 |
| Burglaptop | ajmitch, yes it looks great, thanks | 06:54 |
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| Burglaptop | someone needs to write a simply gui to it | 06:54 |
| ajmitch | ok, since it was only updated a couple of days ago to install | 06:55 |
| Madpilot | http://www.edwardtufte.com/tufte/powerpoint | 06:55 |
| Burglaptop | ajmitch, thank god | 06:55 |
| ajmitch | Burglaptop: a lot of these programs we never use & only hear rumours about afterwards | 06:55 |
| Burglaptop | ajmitch, it works a charm here | 06:57 |
| Burglaptop | ajmitch, yes that must be difficult. Look at the ruby mess in Hoary | 06:57 |
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| Burglaptop | salut robitaille | 08:23 |
| robitaille | Hello Burglaptop | 08:23 |
| Madpilot | Burglaptop: hows the presentation for tomorrow night going? | 08:23 |
| Burglaptop | robitaille, Madpilot the Ubuntu one is almost dne, just need to write up the Google SoC one | 08:25 |
| Madpilot | two presentations? | 08:26 |
| Burglaptop | I am doing my main one on Ubuntu | 08:26 |
| Burglaptop | but doing a short presenation on SoC | 08:26 |
| robitaille | I now have a date for my own ubuntu talk at work; Oct 6th. How is OOo impress? Last time I tried to use it 3-4 years ago, I got so mad at it, I ended up connverting my talk in html 2 days before the talk, and presenting it using a web browser. | 08:27 |
| Burglaptop | robitaille, I am using pointless. Does that answer your question? | 08:30 |
| Madpilot | does FF or Epiph do full-screen like Opera does? You can actually do pretty cool presentations that way... | 08:31 |
| robitaille | yes it does. That is what I used for my last couple of talks. I was hoping for better with OOo v2 | 08:32 |
| robitaille | Madpilot, yes FF can doing full screen | 08:32 |
| robitaille | but usually I convert to pdf, then use acroread of xpdf in full screen mode. Or now, evince | 08:32 |
| robitaille | s/of/or | 08:33 |
| Burglaptop | point is opengl driven, so you get pretty slides | 08:33 |
| Burglaptop | robitaille, you going to be there? | 08:33 |
| robitaille | maybe; I really hope to. But it's a very busy week; busier than usual if you can believe it. | 08:35 |
| Burglaptop | robitaille, is this correct? http://img296.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ubuntuvsdebian6zn.png | 08:35 |
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| jsgotangco | guys i received a malone bug regarding rosetta | 09:08 |
| jsgotangco | https://launchpad.net/malone/bugs/2242 | 09:08 |
| jsgotangco | what to do with this? | 09:08 |
| jsgotangco | i can't seem to replicate it | 09:08 |
| ajmitch | can you reassign to rosetta? | 09:09 |
| robitaille | Burglaptop, for your figure. I thought debian non-free didn't exist anymore. I'm really not a debian expert... | 09:09 |
| ajmitch | it does | 09:10 |
| ajmitch | non-US is the one that was obsoleted | 09:10 |
| jsgotangco | i can reassign it to rosetta | 09:10 |
| jsgotangco | rosetta-admins? | 09:11 |
| robitaille | ajmitch, ah. I knew there was a non-something that was gone :) | 09:11 |
| ajmitch | not reassign the bug, since it's not assigned yet | 09:11 |
| ajmitch | I mean change that the bug is in ubuntu-doc | 09:12 |
| jsgotangco | i believe the package is assigned to UDP as maintainer | 09:12 |
| robitaille | rosetta-admins sound like the good one to assign to; if it is a rosetta problem | 09:13 |
| ajmitch | ok | 09:13 |
| robitaille | but if you cvan't reproduce...it's probably not our problem | 09:13 |
| jsgotangco | i can't unless someone in pt or other languages can do it as well | 09:13 |
| jsgotangco | its most likely rosetta | 09:13 |
| jsgotangco | i'll say i can't seem to reproduce it and ask the help of rosetta-admins | 09:16 |
| jsgotangco | that good? | 09:17 |
| robitaille | sounds good | 09:18 |
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| mdke | anyone home? | 11:53 |
| HrdwrBoB | yo | 11:54 |
| mdke | the translators are picking up typos in about-ubuntu | 11:55 |
| mdke | you think it's ok to keep making corrections even after string freeze | 11:55 |
| mdke | ? | 11:55 |
| HrdwrBoB | typos should be fine though | 11:56 |
| HrdwrBoB | the main reason for freeze is for translation anyway | 11:56 |
| mdke | yeah | 11:56 |
| sivang | guys, please take a look at #15017 and tell me if it deserves a release note :) | 12:05 |
| rob^ | doesn't it default to grub? | 12:07 |
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| WaterSevenUb | hey ... I'm translating about-ubuntu | 12:18 |
| WaterSevenUb | translator-credits | 12:18 |
| WaterSevenUb | Developer note: Put one translator per line, in the form of NAME <EMAIL>, YEAR1, YEAR2. | 12:18 |
| WaterSevenUb | appears this... How can I put one translator per line if Rosetta only allows one line? | 12:18 |
| WaterSevenUb | I thought translator were automatically added. | 12:19 |
| mdke | no idea | 12:22 |
| WaterSevenUb | Located in: applications.xml:44(para) | 01:05 |
| WaterSevenUb | What happened in the .PO file in this particular point? | 01:05 |
| WaterSevenUb | It's SOOOOO LONG. | 01:06 |
| WaterSevenUb | can somebody check? | 01:06 |
| WaterSevenUb | oops... I'm refering to FAQ GUIDE. | 01:06 |
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| mdke | WaterSevenUb, you'll have to give me a link to demonstrate what you are talking about | 01:43 |
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| ajmitch | rob^: around? | 02:22 |
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| pitti | Hi | 05:36 |
| jbailey | Heya | 05:37 |
| jsgotangco | salut pitti | 05:37 |
| jbailey | (For thsoe follwoing along, pitti and I are just talking about updating translations for the docbook files automatically like langpacks and what our options for breezy are) | 05:37 |
| jbailey | jsgotangco: T'es franco? =) | 05:37 |
| pitti | ok, can someone please shortly describe the current translation process? | 05:37 |
| jsgotangco | basically we have our docbook xml, we make a po file and give it to rosetta | 05:38 |
| jsgotangco | right now translators are doing it in rosetta | 05:38 |
| pitti | so you have to manually import the PO into Rosetta? | 05:38 |
| pitti | or, rather, you generate a POT file automatically | 05:39 |
| pitti | and import existing PO files into Rosetta? | 05:39 |
| jsgotangco | roughly yes, its our first time to do it with rosetta | 05:40 |
| pitti | ok, so we should automate this process first | 05:41 |
| pitti | are the documentation files packaged somewhere? | 05:41 |
| pitti | if they are, we can do the Rosetta import automatically | 05:41 |
| pitti | or are the files maintained separately? | 05:41 |
| jsgotangco | none, we only have docbook source what jbailey did was package it himself | 05:41 |
| jsgotangco | he made a branch of the current svn to make it package friendly in the future | 05:42 |
| jbailey | pitti: I will also be doing weekly updates through the breezy+1 cycle | 05:42 |
| jbailey | pitti: So there's a reasonable possibility of doing the usual langpack slurping. | 05:42 |
| pitti | hm, so as long as there is no ubuntu-docs source package of some kind, automating something is difficult | 05:42 |
| jsgotangco | yes it should be seeded for every milestone | 05:43 |
| pitti | AFAICS, the easiest option at the moment would be to write a script that slurps translations from Rosetta and generates translated db-xml files | 05:44 |
| jbailey | pitti: Is a source package. | 05:44 |
| pitti | this script can then be integrated into the source package | 05:44 |
| jbailey | pitti: That's what I'm saying will be uploaded weekly in the new release. | 05:44 |
| pitti | ah, cool | 05:44 |
| jbailey | And can be done now for my spot uploads. | 05:44 |
| pitti | so a mere debian/rules rosetta-update would update everything | 05:45 |
| pitti | the problem is, translated documentation does not fit well into the current langpack concept | 05:45 |
| pitti | will all translations be shipped in one package, or is there something like ubuntu-doc-de and so on? | 05:45 |
| jsgotangco | hrmm | 05:46 |
| jsgotangco | no | 05:46 |
| jsgotangco | it used to be all ubuntu-doc | 05:46 |
| jsgotangco | everything is in there | 05:46 |
| jsgotangco | ideally though to save space, it makes sense to add them with the langpacks i guess | 05:46 |
| jbailey | pitti: Having them in the langpacks also makes sense to for post-breezy updating. | 05:47 |
| jsgotangco | however, those docs point to global entities in the source | 05:47 |
| jbailey | jsgotangco: Even the translations? | 05:47 |
| jsgotangco | indeed | 05:47 |
| jbailey | I thought they just got their own subdirectories and were noticed if they were available? | 05:48 |
| jsgotangco | that's why they are all in one folder | 05:48 |
| jbailey | Feh | 05:48 |
| jsgotangco | that method would end up all the translations having their own copy of the entities | 05:48 |
| jsgotangco | instead of just one | 05:48 |
| pitti | well, either way, the package can certainly be updated in langpack-o-matic in the end | 05:48 |
| pitti | but for now, having the script in the source package is the best solution IMHO | 05:49 |
| pitti | later we can call the script from langpack-o-matic, so it's not wasted | 05:49 |
| pitti | package-specific logic should be kept in the particular package anyway | 05:49 |
| pitti | jsgotangco: what about a ubuntu-doc-common package with all the entities and pictures, and so on? | 05:50 |
| jbailey | pitti: I can do that. So far the docs are arch:all | 05:50 |
| jbailey | So there wasn't much point. | 05:50 |
| pitti | well, as long as the size of one translation is small compared to the size of images, having just one package probably makes sense anyway | 05:51 |
| jsgotangco | pitti: that is ideal since we'll just have all the docs from langpacks refer to a single location | 05:51 |
| jsgotangco | we'll just have to fix the svn to make it friendly to that | 05:51 |
| pitti | and the packge split is pretty orthogonal to the automatic translation anyway | 05:51 |
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| jsgotangco | hey jjesse | 06:16 |
| jjesse | hey jsgotangco | 06:16 |
| jjesse | note from sean (froud) to keep working in trunk for docs | 06:17 |
| jsgotangco | he sent you? | 06:17 |
| jjesse | i asked him directly | 06:17 |
| jjesse | if i was to be making changesw in /branches/breezy and he said to keep working in trunk | 06:18 |
| jjesse | On Tuesday 13 September 2005 04:16, Jonathan Jesse wrote: | 06:18 |
| jjesse | > I don't know how much doc work you still are doing for Kubuntu (ubuntu) but | 06:18 |
| jjesse | > do I start making changes to branches/breezy or keep working in trunk? | 06:18 |
| jjesse | 06:18 | |
| jjesse | jj you just keep working in trunk | 06:18 |
| jsgotangco | branches/breezy is frozen | 06:18 |
| jjesse | that's what i thought | 06:18 |
| jsgotangco | it will eventually get merged back | 06:19 |
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| mdke | jsgotangco, can you push my mails through to the mailing list from last night? sorry | 06:44 |
| jsgotangco | sure | 06:44 |
| jsgotangco | sorry i wasnt checking the mod list | 06:44 |
| jsgotangco | (was busy spamming the edubuntu wiki atm) | 06:44 |
| mdke | heh | 06:44 |
| jsgotangco | i seem to like the gartoon icons | 06:45 |
| jsgotangco | errr | 06:45 |
| jsgotangco | mdke: i don't have anything to approve here | 06:45 |
| jsgotangco | just spam | 06:45 |
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| mdke | jsgotangco, hmm | 06:46 |
| mdke | i had three emails to be moderated from yesterday | 06:46 |
| jsgotangco | maybe liz approved them | 06:46 |
| mdke | don't worry then | 06:46 |
| mdke | nope | 06:46 |
| jsgotangco | (or probably deleted them without reading) | 06:46 |
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| mdke | the other thing i was just thinking | 06:46 |
| jsgotangco | sorry about that Liz usually does the cleaning in the morning | 06:46 |
| jsgotangco | she's 2 hours ahead of me so | 06:47 |
| mdke | do you think we should tidy up the LP team? | 06:47 |
| jsgotangco | ubuntu-doc? | 06:47 |
| mdke | there are a few people in there who are not doc contributors | 06:47 |
| jsgotangco | i don't know these people asking for membership | 06:47 |
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| mdke | i mean there are a few approved people who are not contributors | 06:48 |
| squinn | hi everybody. | 06:48 |
| mdke | hi squinn | 06:48 |
| squinn | mdke, ironic you said that as i walked in? | 06:48 |
| jsgotangco | hah | 06:48 |
| mdke | heh | 06:48 |
| squinn | no, seriously, i'm sorry. i've been more inactive then GNU/Hurd | 06:48 |
| mdke | np | 06:50 |
| squinn | But, I'll see what I can do in regards to patches. | 06:51 |
| squinn | I just try to experiment too much with Breezy. Now it seems like I'm stable, with the Preview Release. | 06:51 |
| mdke | squinn, the documentation has been frozen now, we will just be working on the release notes and then for Breezy +1 | 06:52 |
| squinn | ah, ok. | 06:52 |
| squinn | out of curiousity, did we get that new gnome-doc-utils we were pushing for? | 06:52 |
| squinn | well, how can i help on the release notes or Breezy+1? | 06:53 |
| mdke | squinn, i think there is a wiki page you can contribute to | 06:54 |
| mdke | BreezyReleaseNotes | 06:54 |
| jsgotangco | yes | 06:54 |
| mdke | no idea about gnome-doc-utils | 06:54 |
| jsgotangco | please check on that page | 06:54 |
| jsgotangco | we'll pass it to -devel soon | 06:54 |
| jsgotangco | squinn: did you use your commit account even once? | 06:55 |
| squinn | jsgotangco, did i get one? | 06:57 |
| jsgotangco | gahhhh | 06:57 |
| squinn | to my knowledge, there was a holdup | 06:57 |
| mdke | yes | 06:57 |
| squinn | and i never received it. | 06:57 |
| squinn | oh. | 06:57 |
| squinn | ok. | 06:57 |
| jsgotangco | didn't elmo email you about it? | 06:57 |
| mdke | iirc | 06:57 |
| squinn | nope | 06:57 |
| jsgotangco | hrmrmmm | 06:57 |
| squinn | got one email from canonical about it | 06:57 |
| jsgotangco | about? | 06:57 |
| jsgotangco | hmm | 06:57 |
| jsgotangco | i think your key wasn't in the public key servers? | 06:58 |
| jsgotangco | and elmo said submit it somewhere? | 06:58 |
| squinn | yes. that's it. | 06:58 |
| squinn | and i lost my key various times | 06:58 |
| jsgotangco | yikes | 06:58 |
| squinn | and i heard Burgundavia's story about he lost his key. | 06:58 |
| squinn | so i finally just emailed it to myself | 06:58 |
| squinn | and whenever i reinstall, i have it there | 06:58 |
| jsgotangco | squinn: do you still have it then? | 07:00 |
| jsgotangco | squinn: are you going to help out again soon? | 07:00 |
| squinn | jsgotangco, yes and yes. | 07:00 |
| jsgotangco | cool | 07:00 |
| jsgotangco | we're frozen at the moment, but after translations come in, we'll brainstorm a few weeks before UBZ | 07:01 |
| jsgotangco | so that we'll make Corey's stay in montreal miserable (heh) | 07:01 |
| Kinnison | poor corey | 07:01 |
| mdke | translation activity has been high btw | 07:01 |
| mdke | it's lookin good | 07:01 |
| jsgotangco | mdke: yeah im impressed, most of it is almost done | 07:01 |
| mdke | well i wouldn't go that far ;) | 07:02 |
| mdke | argh | 07:02 |
| jsgotangco | well About Ubuntu has been quite done for most | 07:02 |
| mdke | rob^ is translating it into Australian | 07:02 |
| jsgotangco | lol | 07:02 |
| mdke | faqguide i mean | 07:02 |
| jsgotangco | ahh | 07:02 |
| jsgotangco | hrmm | 07:02 |
| jsgotangco | how will he translate that | 07:02 |
| squinn | pubring.gpg pubring.gpg random_seed | 07:02 |
| squinn | secring.gpg | 07:02 |
| squinn | trustdb.gpg | 07:02 |
| squinn | [these all go in .gnupg right?] | 07:02 |
| jsgotangco | "command not found wanker?" | 07:02 |
| mdke | LOL | 07:03 |
| jsgotangco | squinn: that's your keys alright | 07:03 |
| squinn | ok | 07:03 |
| squinn | those all go in .gnupg, the folder though, right? | 07:03 |
| squinn | and revoke.asc goes in my ~ | 07:03 |
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| jsgotangco | mdke: i dont get this i need to be in a team to translate? | 07:04 |
| mdke | yeah | 07:04 |
| mdke | you can make suggestions if you're not | 07:04 |
| mdke | but they will have to be approved by a team member | 07:04 |
| jsgotangco | who makes the team? | 07:04 |
| mdke | jsgotangco, carlos/daf/jordi | 07:04 |
| jsgotangco | ahh | 07:04 |
| jsgotangco | now i see how interwined they are now | 07:04 |
| mdke | if the team exists already, just apply to join | 07:05 |
| jsgotangco | there is non | 07:05 |
| mdke | k | 07:05 |
| jsgotangco | i request via email? | 07:05 |
| mdke | yeah | 07:05 |
| mdke | rosetta-users@lists or rosetta@ubuntu.com | 07:05 |
| jsgotangco | ahhh | 07:05 |
| jsgotangco | nice, we now have slovak and serbian | 07:06 |
| squinn | ok, i'm putting my pgp key in launchpad | 07:06 |
| CWiesen | hi there, got a question; | 07:07 |
| jsgotangco | indonesian! wow | 07:07 |
| CWiesen | can someone tell me about the state of the Kubuntu docs? I offered to help with the german translation some time ago and was told that it would be a good time to start when it's in rosetta. Is it? Didn't see anything yet. | 07:07 |
| jsgotangco | we'll have bahasa... | 07:07 |
| mdke | CWiesen, they are not ready yet unfortunately | 07:07 |
| mdke | gtg | 07:07 |
| jsgotangco | CWiesen: we didn't include kubuntu they are incomplete | 07:07 |
| jsgotangco | unfortunately, there was only 1 guy doing it all at the end... | 07:08 |
| CWiesen | ah. so they are beeing worked on in svn then? | 07:08 |
| jsgotangco | yes | 07:08 |
| CWiesen | Sean Wheller, I know. Could someone remind me of his irc nick? :-/ | 07:08 |
| jsgotangco | no not Sean | 07:09 |
| CWiesen | no? | 07:09 |
| jsgotangco | Jonathan Jesse | 07:09 |
| jsgotangco | Sean hasn't been active for months | 07:09 |
| CWiesen | oh, that's a shame. He seemed very enthusiastic at that time | 07:09 |
| jsgotangco | he just sort of dropped out | 07:09 |
| highvoltage | CWiesen: Sean Wheller is bantu, I think | 07:09 |
| jsgotangco | or venda | 07:09 |
| highvoltage | jsgotangco: Sean is just very busy, he's on jabber regularly: seanwhe@jabberafrica.org | 07:10 |
| highvoltage | ah yes, venda. | 07:10 |
| CWiesen | well, sometimes reallife just stops you from doing some things I guess. | 07:10 |
| jsgotangco | he sometimes responds to the list | 07:11 |
| CWiesen | ubuntu-doc? somehow (wrongly) expected to see something on kubuntu-devel, stupid me | 07:12 |
| jsgotangco | CWiesen: yes | 07:13 |
| Burgundavia | jeffsch, mdke the quicktour is working now, thanks | 07:13 |
| jsgotangco | Burgundavia: script? | 07:15 |
| Burgundavia | jsgotangco, the build script is now working | 07:18 |
| Kinnison | Burgundavia: so, do I bring uno to UBZ? | 07:20 |
| Burgundavia | Kinnison, I shall be there | 07:21 |
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| jsgotangco | oh well good night all | 07:29 |
| Burgundavia | night jsgotangco | 07:29 |
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| jbailey | squinn: GNU/Hurd is remarkably active.. =) | 07:44 |
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| WaterSevenUb | mdke, for example https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/breezy/+sources/ubuntu-docs/+pots/faqguide/pt/+translate | 08:44 |
| WaterSevenUb | mdke look to 207 ... it seems weird .... | 08:44 |
| WaterSevenUb | mdke, the example you asked for this morning :) | 08:44 |
| WaterSevenUb | mdke, https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/breezy/+sources/ubuntu-docs/+pots/faqguide/pt/+translate?offset=200 | 08:45 |
| WaterSevenUb | or someone... | 08:48 |
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| mpt | ugh, that's broken | 08:58 |
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| mpt | WaterSevenUb: Don't use the and symbols in your translations | 09:00 |
| mpt | e.g. item 212 shouldn't have all those s in them | 09:01 |
| froud | mdke: evening | 09:16 |
| froud | Will ppl be merging the breezy branch enhancements to back trunk | 09:17 |
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| WaterSevenUb | mpt, Well... I don't use them for sure, someone else did! | 10:20 |
| WaterSevenUb | mpt, but is not only this that is broken... there are more! | 10:20 |
| WaterSevenUb | mpt, what should I do? | 10:21 |
| WaterSevenUb | mpt, item 214 is even worse! | 10:22 |
| WaterSevenUb | is this happening in every language? | 10:23 |
| WaterSevenUb | FAQ GUIDE 207 and 214 items seem to be broken? | 10:23 |
| mpt | WaterSevenUb: Yes, it's a bug in Rosetta that it misleads you into using them | 10:28 |
| mpt | WaterSevenUb: You can delete those characters when you see them | 10:28 |
| mpt | WaterSevenUb: As for items 207 and 214, I suggest reporting a bug | 10:28 |
| WaterSevenUb | mpt, Hum? What characters? :))) yeah... I know :) I didn't use them :) | 10:28 |
| WaterSevenUb | mpt, where? against rosetta or ubuntu-docs in bugzilla? | 10:29 |
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| WaterSevenUb | mpt, I mean.... in malone (rosetta) or ubuntu-docs in bugzilla?:) I don't know what the problem is :) | 10:41 |
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| mpt | WaterSevenUb: in Malone against Rosetta | 10:50 |
| mdke | mpt, is there a problem with the pot? | 10:55 |
| mdke | or just rosetta you think? | 10:56 |
| mdke | i'm terrified that when we come to transform the po's back into xml they will not work... | 10:58 |
| WaterSevenUb | https://launchpad.net/malone/bugs/2270 | 10:59 |
| mpt | mdke: Well, check the XML then | 10:59 |
| mpt | See if there's anything that could possibly be wrong | 10:59 |
| mpt | but you're a bit unlucky because the Rosetta developer is on holiday at the moment | 10:59 |
| mdke | yes i know | 10:59 |
| mdke | i'm not 100% confident in the xml2po process :/ | 10:59 |
| WaterSevenUb | mpt, enough?:) | 11:00 |
| mpt | WaterSevenUb: yup, and next time you could even leave out the "cheers, Rui" part ;-) | 11:00 |
| WaterSevenUb | mpt, aaaargh... now I feel embarrassed and want to delete that :) | 11:01 |
| mpt | Well if you really want to, you can -- click "Edit Description" | 11:01 |
| mpt | but it's no big deal | 11:02 |
| WaterSevenUb | mpt, done :) uff... | 11:02 |
| WaterSevenUb | mpt, now appears two times!!!! | 11:02 |
| mpt | That's intentional | 11:02 |
| WaterSevenUb | eheheh | 11:02 |
| mdke | don't worry about it WaterSevenUb | 11:02 |
| mpt | If anyone changes the description, the original description is shown as a comment | 11:02 |
| mpt | to preserve the history of the bug | 11:03 |
| WaterSevenUb | :) | 11:03 |
| mdke | right I'm going to try converting the portugese translation back to xml | 11:03 |
| mdke | fingers crossed | 11:04 |
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| mdke | damn | 11:07 |
| mdke | no email | 11:07 |
| WaterSevenUb | :/ | 11:10 |
| mdke | hmm | 11:13 |
| mdke | just 23 fatal errors | 11:13 |
| mdke | not great though | 11:14 |
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| WaterSevenUb | mdke, I'm wondering...to solve the problem will the translations done meanwhile be lost? | 11:18 |
| WaterSevenUb | mdke, the 207,214 thing? That can be frustrating to some of the guys that have helped us so far... | 11:18 |
| mdke | WaterSevenUb, i understand, I do not know what is causing the problems | 11:26 |
| mdke | seems to be some /n missing from the translations | 11:27 |
| mdke | pt.po:4967: `msgid' and `msgstr' entries do not both end with '\n' | 11:28 |
| mdke | i have absolutely no idea about the 207, 214 thing, we'll have to wait for carlos to get back from holiday | 11:29 |
| mdke | mark the bug as major if you can | 11:30 |
| mdke | and cc me | 11:31 |
| mdke | --> gone | 11:32 |
| segfault | is there any link with the essentials of documentation tools? xsltproc, docbook, xml2pot, etc. | 11:39 |
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| froud | http://www.cluetrain.org for those interested in marketing concepts | 11:51 |
| squinn | hey sean. | 11:51 |
| froud | squinn: hi | 11:52 |
| froud | # Eric S. Raymond, President, Open Source Initiative - "The cluetrain is to marketing and communications what the open-source movement is to software development -- anarchic, messy, rude, and vastly more powerful than the doomed bullshit that conventionally passes for wisdom." | 11:53 |
| froud | Far out Eric! | 11:54 |
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