[12:06] are there reppositories to pull the kubuntu preview down with apt? [12:07] judax: best ask on either #kubuntu or #ubuntu if you want the Breezy preview for Kubuntu [12:08] ok, was going to work on preview notes and didn't want to do the cd thing [12:08] judax: ah... did you want the Breezy documentation, or the actual OS? [12:11] Madpilot: I wanted the actual os, I know the base is the ubuntu breezy repos, but am not figuring out how to grab kubuntu breezy addtions, like the new apt front-end, tec [12:11] s/tec/etc [12:12] Madpilot: I will ask over in kubuntu, just thought maybe jjesse or froud might have done it === jeffsch [n=jeffsch@fatwire-201-134.uniserve.ca] has joined #ubuntu-doc === duncan_nz1 [n=dulithgo@3E6B27C8.rev.stofanet.dk] has joined #ubuntu-doc === avanspronsen [n=andrewv@London-HSE-ppp3543971.sympatico.ca] has joined #ubuntu-doc [01:03] Brian, are you reading this just now? [01:09] hello duncan_nz1 [01:10] Madpilot: ping [01:10] ajmitch: pong [01:10] hi duncan_nz1 [01:11] Madpilot: just pinging to tell you duncan is here :) [01:11] thank [01:11] duncan_nz1: I'm Brian Burger [01:19] duncan_nz1: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WikiSandBox <-- instead of the Test pages you were using [01:30] hi all [01:30] hi mdke [01:30] mdke: did the makefile fix work? [01:35] are db2html running cleanly in about-ubuntu.xml? [01:35] is === Seveas [n=seveas@seveas.demon.nl] has joined #ubuntu-doc [01:39] jeffsch, not sure, i haven't checked yet [01:39] jeffsch, but looks good, thanks [01:40] welcome duncan_nz1 === mdke [n=matt@unaffiliated/mdke] has joined #ubuntu-doc [01:42] gah [01:42] my screen crashed === Seveas [n=seveas@seveas.demon.nl] has joined #ubuntu-doc [02:29] Madpilot, I am waiting for the art work freeze or near then [02:30] Burgundavia: you talking about Water7's question above? [02:31] Madpilot, yes [02:31] OK [02:31] and text is not yet done and might not be translatable [02:32] because it's not in XML? [02:32] jeffsch, where is the doc now? [02:32] Madpilot, yes [02:33] Burgundavia: ? [02:34] Madpilot: xhtml is xml [02:34] if the pot file can be made from any old xml, then it should work [02:35] jeffsch, the quicktour. Is the built version still here --> http://doc.ubuntu.com/gnome/quicktour/quicktour.html [02:36] as mdke :). That's where the makefile should be putting it now [02:38] Madpilot: my understanding is that the pot file consists of nothing more than strings that need to be translated [02:38] the translators create a po file from the pot file, and fill in the blanks with their particular language [02:38] pot = Portable Object Template [02:38] po = Portable Object [02:38] cool [02:41] this is pure speculation on my part, but i suspect that when a the po file is complete, the tools do a search and replace [02:41] they search for the original string, replace it with the translation, and output it all to a new file [02:42] keeping all the stuff between '<' and '>' intact [02:44] makes sense - tag-detection isn't a difficult trick usually. still pretty cool [02:50] hi, um, sorry i got burried in geneology stuff. And now it's 3am in denmark [02:51] I'm a kiwi (new zealander) in denmark [02:51] We'll talk another day. === rob^ [n=rob@pdpc/supporter/student/rob-ubuntu] has joined #ubuntu-doc [03:01] jeffsch, in that case, it still is not being updated [03:01] jeffsch, I have to run, but I may be on later [03:02] you will have to talk to mdke about it. I only changed the one in trunk, as I haven't co'd the other branch === mdke [n=matt@unaffiliated/mdke] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Belutz [n=Belutz@202.155.150.76] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Riddell [i=jr@kde/jriddell] has joined #ubuntu-doc === sivang [n=sivang@box79162.elkhouse.de] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Madpilot [n=yh728@S0106000d88b9f3db.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === sladen [i=paul@starsky.19inch.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jblack [i=jblack@static-209-158-45-74.scr.east.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jsgotangco [n=jsg@202.57.71.235] has joined #ubuntu-doc [03:34] hiya [03:34] hi jsgotangco [03:39] jsgotangco: Heya. [03:40] I didn't manage to catch pitti today, but I need to get an updated ubuntu-docs uploaded. [03:40] hey [03:40] Might wind up doing it tomorrow morning, though, I'm quite tied. [03:40] +r [03:40] np [03:40] you're getting it from branch right [03:40] Yup [03:41] I'm assuming that anythiung that's approved to be in will either get put in the branch by you guys, or I'll get poked to sync (either is fine) [03:41] IIRC, I need to unify the various FAQs into one, and do the scrollkeeper bits to do the XML. [03:42] they're just docs..probably the the last package or to be included in our package is the release notes [03:42] Was the quicktour redone in docbook? [03:42] no [03:42] its just html [03:42] hold on [03:42] 'k. Should I just ship what I've got then> [03:42] ? === jbailey holds [03:42] unify the faq? [03:42] make it one massive docbook? [03:42] In the meeting or just before it, someone said that all the faqs were the same for each arch [03:42] So it should be one faq, not faqi386, faqppc, faqamd64 [03:43] oh i thought the doc itself [03:43] No, nothing insane like that. [03:43] Just that instead of shipping 3, I only need to ship one of them since it's generic. [03:44] sounds reasonable, why would there be different faqs per arch? [03:44] because the authors did so [03:44] ajmitch: bootloader stuff or dualboot config, etc? [03:44] all 3 arches had different authors [03:44] ajmitch: I can think of a number of things that would go per-arch. [03:44] i always thought it was merged [03:45] jbailey: right [03:50] errmm why am i assigned a malone bug about docs [03:50] heh [03:52] jsgotangco: because you're docmaster? [03:52] Docteam needs a cool acronym like MOTU [03:52] Perhaps we can be the homeys. [03:52] heh [03:52] Because we have the power of the WORD! [03:53] hmm seems to be a rosetta issue [03:53] or must be the pot [03:53] DUDE .. Documentation of Ubuntu by Dudes on the internEt [03:53] jsgotangco: I've had several friends say that lately. =) [03:54] haha [03:56] hmm launchpad seems to be primed up for UBZ [03:57] the spec stuff looks like it needs work on there [03:57] jsgotangco: where's the draft of the admin guide you talked about? [03:57] in svn at the moment? [03:57] yes [04:10] So I think I'll go pass out now and wake up early and do this. [04:10] It's 27 degrees here still, and that's outside. [04:10] that's in F i guess [04:10] What? [04:10] alright, see you later [04:10] No, civilised measurements. [04:11] K then :) [04:11] ajmitch: What civilisatoin do you know of that uses K? =) [04:11] jbailey: only scientists, and they're a bit on the edge [04:11] we use the same scale, of course [04:11] Right. That's like claiming free software hackers as a civilisation. [04:11] the base is just shifted 273.15 :) [04:12] Can you think of a more miserable society? [04:12] (iirc) [04:12] Somewhere in there. [04:12] one made up of middle management & telephone sanitisers? [04:12] Nah. Middle managment at least knows how to party. [04:12] They can eat and drink with the best of them. [04:13] And I'd hate to be wiped out by a virulent diesease caused by a dirty telephone... [04:14] the committees & the meetings, though.. [04:14] that's why i quit my job as being one === sivang_ [n=sivang@box79162.elkhouse.de] has joined #ubuntu-doc === robitaille [n=robitail@d154-5-117-228.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Burglaptop [n=corey@S010600400555133c.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Madpilot [n=yh728@S0106000d88b9f3db.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Burglaptop [n=corey@S010600400555133c.gv.shawcable.net] has left #ubuntu-doc ["Leaving"] === Burglaptop [n=corey@S010600400555133c.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Burglaptop commences grumbling about OO2 impress [06:10] ok, how do I set the background colour on these bloody slides? === Burglaptop grumbles [06:11] lol [06:11] master slide? [06:12] yes [06:12] I don't get this [06:12] hmm whatever happened to muine's minimize function via esc key? [06:13] found it [06:13] under format-->page, 2nd tab is background [06:14] impress 2 has some serious navigation issues [06:14] its just way too different from the 1.x series [06:14] impress needs to die, period [06:14] it took 55 seconds to boot OO2 on my laptop [06:14] wow [06:14] with epiphany and xchat running [06:14] and epip is lighter than FF [06:14] mine doesn't take that long really probably around 8 secs [06:14] 40 secs to get to the splash [06:15] cracking [06:15] ok, here is another really dumb thing [06:15] I cannot seem to get a custom colour dialog up [06:15] so I can choose one of the Ubuntu palettes [06:15] and the default colours look like shite [06:18] brb lunch === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-doc [06:49] ok, screw impress, I am going to do with pointless [06:51] pointless? [06:52] a very basic presentation app [06:52] http://pointless.dk/examples/viewme.pll/ [06:52] i prefer magicpoint [06:52] with that wonderful name? ;) [06:53] pointless works ok in breezy now? :) [06:54] "A Pointless Presentation" [06:54] ajmitch, yes it looks great, thanks === Burglaptop loves pointless [06:54] someone needs to write a simply gui to it [06:55] ok, since it was only updated a couple of days ago to install [06:55] http://www.edwardtufte.com/tufte/powerpoint [06:55] ajmitch, thank god [06:55] Burglaptop: a lot of these programs we never use & only hear rumours about afterwards [06:57] ajmitch, it works a charm here [06:57] ajmitch, yes that must be difficult. Look at the ruby mess in Hoary === poningru [n=poningru@n128-227-48-193.xlate.ufl.edu] has joined #ubuntu-doc === segfault [i=carlos@prognus.com.br] has joined #ubuntu-doc === robitaille [n=robitail@d154-5-117-228.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [08:23] salut robitaille [08:23] Hello Burglaptop [08:23] Burglaptop: hows the presentation for tomorrow night going? [08:25] robitaille, Madpilot the Ubuntu one is almost dne, just need to write up the Google SoC one [08:26] two presentations? [08:26] I am doing my main one on Ubuntu [08:26] but doing a short presenation on SoC [08:27] I now have a date for my own ubuntu talk at work; Oct 6th. How is OOo impress? Last time I tried to use it 3-4 years ago, I got so mad at it, I ended up connverting my talk in html 2 days before the talk, and presenting it using a web browser. [08:30] robitaille, I am using pointless. Does that answer your question? [08:31] does FF or Epiph do full-screen like Opera does? You can actually do pretty cool presentations that way... [08:32] yes it does. That is what I used for my last couple of talks. I was hoping for better with OOo v2 [08:32] Madpilot, yes FF can doing full screen [08:32] but usually I convert to pdf, then use acroread of xpdf in full screen mode. Or now, evince [08:33] s/of/or [08:33] point is opengl driven, so you get pretty slides [08:33] robitaille, you going to be there? [08:35] maybe; I really hope to. But it's a very busy week; busier than usual if you can believe it. [08:35] robitaille, is this correct? http://img296.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ubuntuvsdebian6zn.png === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-doc [09:08] guys i received a malone bug regarding rosetta [09:08] https://launchpad.net/malone/bugs/2242 [09:08] what to do with this? [09:08] i can't seem to replicate it [09:09] can you reassign to rosetta? [09:09] Burglaptop, for your figure. I thought debian non-free didn't exist anymore. I'm really not a debian expert... [09:10] it does [09:10] non-US is the one that was obsoleted [09:10] i can reassign it to rosetta [09:11] rosetta-admins? [09:11] ajmitch, ah. I knew there was a non-something that was gone :) [09:11] not reassign the bug, since it's not assigned yet [09:12] I mean change that the bug is in ubuntu-doc [09:12] i believe the package is assigned to UDP as maintainer [09:13] rosetta-admins sound like the good one to assign to; if it is a rosetta problem [09:13] ok [09:13] but if you cvan't reproduce...it's probably not our problem [09:13] i can't unless someone in pt or other languages can do it as well [09:13] its most likely rosetta [09:16] i'll say i can't seem to reproduce it and ask the help of rosetta-admins [09:17] that good? [09:18] sounds good === dand [n=dand@gw.datagroup.ro] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Seveas [n=seveas@dyn127.roaming.few.vu.nl] has joined #ubuntu-doc === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Seveas [n=seveas@dyn127.roaming.few.vu.nl] has joined #ubuntu-doc === WaterSevenUb [n=WaterSev@azevedo.astro.up.pt] has joined #ubuntu-doc [11:53] anyone home? [11:54] yo [11:55] the translators are picking up typos in about-ubuntu [11:55] you think it's ok to keep making corrections even after string freeze [11:55] ? [11:56] typos should be fine though [11:56] the main reason for freeze is for translation anyway [11:56] yeah [12:05] guys, please take a look at #15017 and tell me if it deserves a release note :) [12:07] doesn't it default to grub? === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-doc [12:18] hey ... I'm translating about-ubuntu [12:18] translator-credits [12:18] Developer note: Put one translator per line, in the form of NAME , YEAR1, YEAR2. [12:18] appears this... How can I put one translator per line if Rosetta only allows one line? [12:19] I thought translator were automatically added. [12:22] no idea [01:05] Located in: applications.xml:44(para) [01:05] What happened in the .PO file in this particular point? [01:06] It's SOOOOO LONG. [01:06] can somebody check? [01:06] oops... I'm refering to FAQ GUIDE. === duncan_nz1 [n=dulithgo@3E6B0531.rev.stofanet.dk] has joined #ubuntu-doc === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-doc [01:43] WaterSevenUb, you'll have to give me a link to demonstrate what you are talking about === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mpt [n=mpt@200-171-140-32.dsl.telesp.net.br] has joined #ubuntu-doc [02:22] rob^: around? === ajmitch_ [n=ajmitch@port162-121.ubs.maxnet.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-doc === ajmitch [n=ajmitch@2001:388:c004:1:0:0:0:12] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jsgotangco [n=jsg@info1-226.info.com.ph] has joined #ubuntu-doc === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.7.130.247] has joined #ubuntu-doc === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.7.130.247] has joined #ubuntu-doc === pitti [n=pitti@195.227.105.180] has joined #ubuntu-doc [05:36] Hi [05:37] Heya [05:37] salut pitti [05:37] (For thsoe follwoing along, pitti and I are just talking about updating translations for the docbook files automatically like langpacks and what our options for breezy are) [05:37] jsgotangco: T'es franco? =) [05:37] ok, can someone please shortly describe the current translation process? [05:38] basically we have our docbook xml, we make a po file and give it to rosetta [05:38] right now translators are doing it in rosetta [05:38] so you have to manually import the PO into Rosetta? [05:39] or, rather, you generate a POT file automatically [05:39] and import existing PO files into Rosetta? [05:40] roughly yes, its our first time to do it with rosetta [05:41] ok, so we should automate this process first [05:41] are the documentation files packaged somewhere? [05:41] if they are, we can do the Rosetta import automatically [05:41] or are the files maintained separately? [05:41] none, we only have docbook source what jbailey did was package it himself [05:42] he made a branch of the current svn to make it package friendly in the future [05:42] pitti: I will also be doing weekly updates through the breezy+1 cycle [05:42] pitti: So there's a reasonable possibility of doing the usual langpack slurping. [05:42] hm, so as long as there is no ubuntu-docs source package of some kind, automating something is difficult [05:43] yes it should be seeded for every milestone [05:44] AFAICS, the easiest option at the moment would be to write a script that slurps translations from Rosetta and generates translated db-xml files [05:44] pitti: Is a source package. [05:44] this script can then be integrated into the source package [05:44] pitti: That's what I'm saying will be uploaded weekly in the new release. [05:44] ah, cool [05:44] And can be done now for my spot uploads. [05:45] so a mere debian/rules rosetta-update would update everything [05:45] the problem is, translated documentation does not fit well into the current langpack concept [05:45] will all translations be shipped in one package, or is there something like ubuntu-doc-de and so on? [05:46] hrmm [05:46] no [05:46] it used to be all ubuntu-doc [05:46] everything is in there [05:46] ideally though to save space, it makes sense to add them with the langpacks i guess [05:47] pitti: Having them in the langpacks also makes sense to for post-breezy updating. [05:47] however, those docs point to global entities in the source [05:47] jsgotangco: Even the translations? [05:47] indeed [05:48] I thought they just got their own subdirectories and were noticed if they were available? [05:48] that's why they are all in one folder [05:48] Feh [05:48] that method would end up all the translations having their own copy of the entities [05:48] instead of just one [05:48] well, either way, the package can certainly be updated in langpack-o-matic in the end [05:49] but for now, having the script in the source package is the best solution IMHO [05:49] later we can call the script from langpack-o-matic, so it's not wasted [05:49] package-specific logic should be kept in the particular package anyway [05:50] jsgotangco: what about a ubuntu-doc-common package with all the entities and pictures, and so on? [05:50] pitti: I can do that. So far the docs are arch:all [05:50] So there wasn't much point. [05:51] well, as long as the size of one translation is small compared to the size of images, having just one package probably makes sense anyway [05:51] pitti: that is ideal since we'll just have all the docs from langpacks refer to a single location [05:51] we'll just have to fix the svn to make it friendly to that [05:51] and the packge split is pretty orthogonal to the automatic translation anyway === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.25.192.196] has joined #ubuntu-doc === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.25.192.196] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jsgotangco [n=jsg@info1-226.info.com.ph] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Belutz [n=Belutz@202.155.150.76] has left #ubuntu-doc ["Leaving"] === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.7.130.247] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jjesse [n=jjesse@mail.ftpb.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc [06:16] hey jjesse [06:16] hey jsgotangco [06:17] note from sean (froud) to keep working in trunk for docs [06:17] he sent you? [06:17] i asked him directly [06:18] if i was to be making changesw in /branches/breezy and he said to keep working in trunk [06:18] On Tuesday 13 September 2005 04:16, Jonathan Jesse wrote: [06:18] > I don't know how much doc work you still are doing for Kubuntu (ubuntu) but [06:18] > do I start making changes to branches/breezy or keep working in trunk? [06:18] [06:18] jj you just keep working in trunk [06:18] branches/breezy is frozen [06:18] that's what i thought [06:19] it will eventually get merged back === poningru [n=poningru@n128-227-5-82.xlate.ufl.edu] has joined #ubuntu-doc [06:44] jsgotangco, can you push my mails through to the mailing list from last night? sorry [06:44] sure [06:44] sorry i wasnt checking the mod list [06:44] (was busy spamming the edubuntu wiki atm) [06:44] heh [06:45] i seem to like the gartoon icons [06:45] errr [06:45] mdke: i don't have anything to approve here [06:45] just spam === jjesse [n=jjesse@mail.ftpb.com] has left #ubuntu-doc [] [06:46] jsgotangco, hmm [06:46] i had three emails to be moderated from yesterday [06:46] maybe liz approved them [06:46] don't worry then [06:46] nope [06:46] (or probably deleted them without reading) === mdke nods [06:46] the other thing i was just thinking [06:46] sorry about that Liz usually does the cleaning in the morning [06:47] she's 2 hours ahead of me so [06:47] do you think we should tidy up the LP team? [06:47] ubuntu-doc? [06:47] there are a few people in there who are not doc contributors [06:47] i don't know these people asking for membership === squinn [n=squinn@69.203.205.68.cfl.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc [06:48] i mean there are a few approved people who are not contributors [06:48] hi everybody. [06:48] hi squinn [06:48] mdke, ironic you said that as i walked in? [06:48] hah [06:48] heh [06:48] no, seriously, i'm sorry. i've been more inactive then GNU/Hurd [06:50] np [06:51] But, I'll see what I can do in regards to patches. [06:51] I just try to experiment too much with Breezy. Now it seems like I'm stable, with the Preview Release. [06:52] squinn, the documentation has been frozen now, we will just be working on the release notes and then for Breezy +1 [06:52] ah, ok. [06:52] out of curiousity, did we get that new gnome-doc-utils we were pushing for? [06:53] well, how can i help on the release notes or Breezy+1? [06:54] squinn, i think there is a wiki page you can contribute to [06:54] BreezyReleaseNotes [06:54] yes [06:54] no idea about gnome-doc-utils [06:54] please check on that page [06:54] we'll pass it to -devel soon [06:55] squinn: did you use your commit account even once? [06:57] jsgotangco, did i get one? [06:57] gahhhh [06:57] to my knowledge, there was a holdup [06:57] yes [06:57] and i never received it. [06:57] oh. [06:57] ok. [06:57] didn't elmo email you about it? [06:57] iirc [06:57] nope [06:57] hrmrmmm [06:57] got one email from canonical about it [06:57] about? [06:57] hmm [06:58] i think your key wasn't in the public key servers? [06:58] and elmo said submit it somewhere? [06:58] yes. that's it. [06:58] and i lost my key various times [06:58] yikes [06:58] and i heard Burgundavia's story about he lost his key. [06:58] so i finally just emailed it to myself [06:58] and whenever i reinstall, i have it there [07:00] squinn: do you still have it then? [07:00] squinn: are you going to help out again soon? [07:00] jsgotangco, yes and yes. [07:00] cool [07:01] we're frozen at the moment, but after translations come in, we'll brainstorm a few weeks before UBZ [07:01] so that we'll make Corey's stay in montreal miserable (heh) [07:01] poor corey [07:01] translation activity has been high btw [07:01] it's lookin good [07:01] mdke: yeah im impressed, most of it is almost done [07:02] well i wouldn't go that far ;) [07:02] argh [07:02] well About Ubuntu has been quite done for most [07:02] rob^ is translating it into Australian [07:02] lol [07:02] faqguide i mean [07:02] ahh [07:02] hrmm [07:02] how will he translate that [07:02] pubring.gpg pubring.gpg random_seed [07:02] secring.gpg [07:02] trustdb.gpg [07:02] [these all go in .gnupg right?] [07:02] "command not found wanker?" [07:03] LOL [07:03] squinn: that's your keys alright [07:03] ok [07:03] those all go in .gnupg, the folder though, right? [07:03] and revoke.asc goes in my ~ === CWiesen [n=chris@p508857A3.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [07:04] mdke: i dont get this i need to be in a team to translate? [07:04] yeah [07:04] you can make suggestions if you're not [07:04] but they will have to be approved by a team member [07:04] who makes the team? [07:04] jsgotangco, carlos/daf/jordi [07:04] ahh [07:04] now i see how interwined they are now [07:05] if the team exists already, just apply to join [07:05] there is non [07:05] k [07:05] i request via email? [07:05] yeah [07:05] rosetta-users@lists or rosetta@ubuntu.com [07:05] ahhh [07:06] nice, we now have slovak and serbian [07:06] ok, i'm putting my pgp key in launchpad [07:07] hi there, got a question; [07:07] indonesian! wow [07:07] can someone tell me about the state of the Kubuntu docs? I offered to help with the german translation some time ago and was told that it would be a good time to start when it's in rosetta. Is it? Didn't see anything yet. [07:07] we'll have bahasa... [07:07] CWiesen, they are not ready yet unfortunately [07:07] gtg [07:07] CWiesen: we didn't include kubuntu they are incomplete [07:08] unfortunately, there was only 1 guy doing it all at the end... [07:08] ah. so they are beeing worked on in svn then? [07:08] yes [07:08] Sean Wheller, I know. Could someone remind me of his irc nick? :-/ [07:09] no not Sean [07:09] no? [07:09] Jonathan Jesse [07:09] Sean hasn't been active for months [07:09] oh, that's a shame. He seemed very enthusiastic at that time [07:09] he just sort of dropped out [07:09] CWiesen: Sean Wheller is bantu, I think [07:09] or venda [07:10] jsgotangco: Sean is just very busy, he's on jabber regularly: seanwhe@jabberafrica.org [07:10] ah yes, venda. [07:10] well, sometimes reallife just stops you from doing some things I guess. [07:11] he sometimes responds to the list [07:12] ubuntu-doc? somehow (wrongly) expected to see something on kubuntu-devel, stupid me [07:13] CWiesen: yes [07:13] jeffsch, mdke the quicktour is working now, thanks [07:15] Burgundavia: script? [07:18] jsgotangco, the build script is now working [07:20] Burgundavia: so, do I bring uno to UBZ? [07:21] Kinnison, I shall be there === Kinnison nods. I read on p.u.c [07:29] oh well good night all [07:29] night jsgotangco === CWiesen [n=chris@p508857A3.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #ubuntu-doc ["Kopete] [07:44] squinn: GNU/Hurd is remarkably active.. =) === jjesse [n=jjesse@mail.ftpb.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === boglot [i=chaas@gw.workaround.org] has joined #ubuntu-doc [08:44] mdke, for example https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/breezy/+sources/ubuntu-docs/+pots/faqguide/pt/+translate [08:44] mdke look to 207 ... it seems weird .... [08:44] mdke, the example you asked for this morning :) [08:45] mdke, https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/breezy/+sources/ubuntu-docs/+pots/faqguide/pt/+translate?offset=200 [08:48] or someone... === dand [n=dand@83.103.205.67] has joined #ubuntu-doc [08:58] ugh, that's broken === froud [n=froud@ndn-165-128-88.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-doc [09:00] WaterSevenUb: Don't use the and symbols in your translations [09:01] e.g. item 212 shouldn't have all those s in them [09:16] mdke: evening [09:17] Will ppl be merging the breezy branch enhancements to back trunk === CWiesen [n=chris@p508857A3.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [10:20] mpt, Well... I don't use them for sure, someone else did! [10:20] mpt, but is not only this that is broken... there are more! [10:21] mpt, what should I do? [10:22] mpt, item 214 is even worse! [10:23] is this happening in every language? [10:23] FAQ GUIDE 207 and 214 items seem to be broken? [10:28] WaterSevenUb: Yes, it's a bug in Rosetta that it misleads you into using them [10:28] WaterSevenUb: You can delete those characters when you see them [10:28] WaterSevenUb: As for items 207 and 214, I suggest reporting a bug [10:28] mpt, Hum? What characters? :))) yeah... I know :) I didn't use them :) [10:29] mpt, where? against rosetta or ubuntu-docs in bugzilla? === CWiesen [n=chris@p508857A3.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #ubuntu-doc ["Kopete] [10:41] mpt, I mean.... in malone (rosetta) or ubuntu-docs in bugzilla?:) I don't know what the problem is :) === froud [n=froud@ndn-165-128-88.telkomadsl.co.za] has left #ubuntu-doc ["Konversation] [10:50] WaterSevenUb: in Malone against Rosetta [10:55] mpt, is there a problem with the pot? [10:56] or just rosetta you think? [10:58] i'm terrified that when we come to transform the po's back into xml they will not work... [10:59] https://launchpad.net/malone/bugs/2270 [10:59] mdke: Well, check the XML then [10:59] See if there's anything that could possibly be wrong [10:59] but you're a bit unlucky because the Rosetta developer is on holiday at the moment [10:59] yes i know [10:59] i'm not 100% confident in the xml2po process :/ [11:00] mpt, enough?:) [11:00] WaterSevenUb: yup, and next time you could even leave out the "cheers, Rui" part ;-) [11:01] mpt, aaaargh... now I feel embarrassed and want to delete that :) [11:01] Well if you really want to, you can -- click "Edit Description" [11:02] but it's no big deal [11:02] mpt, done :) uff... [11:02] mpt, now appears two times!!!! [11:02] That's intentional [11:02] eheheh [11:02] don't worry about it WaterSevenUb [11:02] If anyone changes the description, the original description is shown as a comment [11:03] to preserve the history of the bug [11:03] :) [11:03] right I'm going to try converting the portugese translation back to xml [11:04] fingers crossed === mdke waits for the email from LP [11:07] damn [11:07] no email [11:10] :/ [11:13] hmm [11:13] just 23 fatal errors [11:14] not great though === Seveas [n=seveas@seveas.demon.nl] has joined #ubuntu-doc [11:18] mdke, I'm wondering...to solve the problem will the translations done meanwhile be lost? [11:18] mdke, the 207,214 thing? That can be frustrating to some of the guys that have helped us so far... [11:26] WaterSevenUb, i understand, I do not know what is causing the problems [11:27] seems to be some /n missing from the translations [11:28] pt.po:4967: `msgid' and `msgstr' entries do not both end with '\n' [11:29] i have absolutely no idea about the 207, 214 thing, we'll have to wait for carlos to get back from holiday [11:30] mark the bug as major if you can [11:31] and cc me [11:32] --> gone [11:39] is there any link with the essentials of documentation tools? xsltproc, docbook, xml2pot, etc. === froud [n=froud@ndn-165-128-88.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-doc [11:51] http://www.cluetrain.org for those interested in marketing concepts [11:51] hey sean. [11:52] squinn: hi [11:53] # Eric S. Raymond, President, Open Source Initiative - "The cluetrain is to marketing and communications what the open-source movement is to software development -- anarchic, messy, rude, and vastly more powerful than the doomed bullshit that conventionally passes for wisdom." [11:54] Far out Eric! === mpt [n=mpt@201-1-132-73.dsl.telesp.net.br] has joined #ubuntu-doc === ypw [n=mpt@201-1-132-73.dsl.telesp.net.br] has left #ubuntu-doc []