[12:06] <judax> are there reppositories to pull the kubuntu preview down with apt?
[12:07] <Madpilot> judax: best ask on either #kubuntu or #ubuntu if you want the Breezy preview for Kubuntu
[12:08] <judax> ok, was going to work on preview notes and didn't want to do the cd thing
[12:08] <Madpilot> judax: ah... did you want the Breezy documentation, or the actual OS?
[12:11] <judax> Madpilot: I wanted the actual os, I know the base is the ubuntu breezy repos, but am not figuring out how to grab kubuntu breezy addtions, like the new apt front-end, tec
[12:11] <judax> s/tec/etc
[12:12] <judax> Madpilot: I will ask over in kubuntu, just thought maybe jjesse or froud might have done it
[01:03] <duncan_nz1> Brian, are you reading this just now?
[01:09] <ajmitch> hello duncan_nz1 
[01:10] <ajmitch> Madpilot: ping
[01:10] <Madpilot> ajmitch: pong
[01:10] <Madpilot> hi duncan_nz1
[01:11] <ajmitch> Madpilot: just pinging to tell you duncan is here :)
[01:11] <Madpilot> thank
[01:11] <Madpilot> duncan_nz1: I'm Brian Burger
[01:19] <Madpilot> duncan_nz1: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WikiSandBox <-- instead of the Test pages you were using
[01:30] <mdke> hi all
[01:30] <Madpilot> hi mdke
[01:30] <jeffsch> mdke: did the makefile fix work?
[01:35] <segfault> are db2html running cleanly in about-ubuntu.xml?
[01:35] <segfault> is
[01:39] <mdke> jeffsch, not sure, i haven't checked yet
[01:39] <mdke> jeffsch, but looks good, thanks
[01:40] <mdke> welcome duncan_nz1 
[01:42] <mdke> gah
[01:42] <mdke> my screen crashed
[02:29] <Burgundavia> Madpilot, I am waiting for the art work freeze or near then
[02:30] <Madpilot> Burgundavia: you talking about Water7's question above?
[02:31] <Burgundavia> Madpilot, yes
[02:31] <Madpilot> OK
[02:31] <Burgundavia> and text is not yet done and might not be translatable
[02:32] <Madpilot> because it's not in XML?
[02:32] <Burgundavia> jeffsch, where is the doc now?
[02:32] <Burgundavia> Madpilot, yes
[02:33] <jeffsch> Burgundavia: ?
[02:34] <jeffsch> Madpilot: xhtml is xml
[02:34] <jeffsch> if the pot file can be made from any old xml, then it should work
[02:35] <Burgundavia> jeffsch, the quicktour. Is the built version still here --> http://doc.ubuntu.com/gnome/quicktour/quicktour.html
[02:36] <jeffsch> as mdke :). That's where the makefile should be putting it now
[02:38] <jeffsch> Madpilot: my understanding is that the pot file consists of nothing more than strings that need to be translated
[02:38] <jeffsch> the translators create a po file from the pot file, and fill in the blanks with their particular language
[02:38] <jeffsch> pot = Portable Object Template
[02:38] <jeffsch> po = Portable Object
[02:38] <Madpilot> cool
[02:41] <jeffsch> this is pure speculation on my part, but i suspect that when a the po file is complete, the tools do a search and replace
[02:41] <jeffsch> they search for the original string, replace it with the translation, and output it all to a new file
[02:42] <jeffsch> keeping all the stuff between '<' and '>' intact
[02:44] <Madpilot> makes sense - tag-detection isn't a difficult trick usually. still pretty cool
[02:50] <duncan_nz1> hi, um, sorry i got burried in geneology stuff. And now it's 3am in denmark
[02:51] <duncan_nz1> I'm a kiwi (new zealander) in denmark
[02:51] <duncan_nz1> We'll talk another day.
[03:01] <Burgundavia> jeffsch, in that case, it still is not being updated
[03:01] <Burgundavia> jeffsch, I have to run, but I may be on later
[03:02] <jeffsch> you will have to talk to mdke about it. I only changed the one in trunk, as I haven't co'd the other branch
[03:34] <jsgotangco> hiya
[03:34] <Madpilot> hi jsgotangco
[03:39] <jbailey> jsgotangco: Heya.
[03:40] <jbailey> I didn't manage to catch pitti today, but I need to get an updated ubuntu-docs uploaded.
[03:40] <jsgotangco> hey
[03:40] <jbailey> Might wind up doing it tomorrow morning, though, I'm quite tied.
[03:40] <jbailey> +r
[03:40] <jsgotangco> np
[03:40] <jsgotangco> you're getting it from branch right
[03:40] <jbailey> Yup
[03:41] <jbailey> I'm assuming that anythiung that's approved to be in will either get put in the branch by you guys, or I'll get poked to sync (either is fine)
[03:41] <jbailey> IIRC, I need to unify the various FAQs into one, and do the scrollkeeper bits to do the XML.
[03:42] <jsgotangco> they're just docs..probably the the last package or to be included in our package is the release notes
[03:42] <jbailey> Was the quicktour redone in docbook?
[03:42] <jsgotangco> no
[03:42] <jsgotangco> its just html
[03:42] <jsgotangco> hold on
[03:42] <jbailey> 'k.  Should I just ship what I've got then>
[03:42] <jbailey> ?
[03:42] <jsgotangco> unify the faq?
[03:42] <jsgotangco> make it one massive docbook?
[03:42] <jbailey> In the meeting or just before it, someone said that all the faqs were the same for each arch
[03:42] <jbailey> So it should be one faq, not faqi386, faqppc, faqamd64
[03:43] <jsgotangco> oh i thought the doc itself
[03:43] <jbailey> No, nothing insane like that.
[03:43] <jbailey> Just that instead of shipping 3, I only need to ship one of them since it's generic.
[03:44] <ajmitch> sounds reasonable, why would there be different faqs per arch?
[03:44] <jsgotangco> because the authors did so
[03:44] <jbailey> ajmitch: bootloader stuff or dualboot config, etc?
[03:44] <jsgotangco> all 3 arches had different authors
[03:44] <jbailey> ajmitch: I can think of a number of things that would go per-arch.
[03:44] <jsgotangco> i always thought it was merged
[03:45] <ajmitch> jbailey: right
[03:50] <jsgotangco> errmm why am i assigned a malone bug about docs
[03:50] <jsgotangco> heh
[03:52] <ajmitch> jsgotangco: because you're docmaster?
[03:52] <jbailey> Docteam needs a cool acronym like MOTU
[03:52] <jbailey> Perhaps we can be the homeys.
[03:52] <ajmitch> heh
[03:52] <jbailey> Because we have the power of the WORD!
[03:53] <jsgotangco> hmm seems to be a rosetta issue 
[03:53] <jsgotangco> or must be the pot
[03:53] <HrdwrBoB> DUDE .. Documentation of Ubuntu by Dudes on the internEt
[03:53] <jbailey> jsgotangco: I've had several friends say that lately. =)
[03:54] <jsgotangco> haha
[03:56] <jsgotangco> hmm launchpad seems to be primed up for UBZ
[03:57] <ajmitch> the spec stuff looks like it needs work on there
[03:57] <ajmitch> jsgotangco: where's the draft of the admin guide you talked about?
[03:57] <ajmitch> in svn at the moment?
[03:57] <jsgotangco> yes
[04:10] <jbailey> So I think I'll go pass out now and wake up early and do this.
[04:10] <jbailey> It's 27 degrees here still, and that's outside.
[04:10] <jsgotangco> that's in F i guess
[04:10] <jbailey> What?
[04:10] <ajmitch> alright, see you later
[04:10] <jbailey> No, civilised measurements.
[04:11] <ajmitch> K then :)
[04:11] <jbailey> ajmitch: What civilisatoin do you know of that uses K? =)
[04:11] <ajmitch> jbailey: only scientists, and they're a bit on the edge
[04:11] <ajmitch> we use the same scale, of course
[04:11] <jbailey> Right.  That's like claiming free software hackers as a civilisation.
[04:11] <ajmitch> the base is just shifted 273.15 :)
[04:12] <jbailey> Can you think of a more miserable society?
[04:12] <ajmitch> (iirc)
[04:12] <jbailey> Somewhere in there.
[04:12] <ajmitch> one made up of middle management & telephone sanitisers?
[04:12] <jbailey> Nah.  Middle managment at least knows how to party.
[04:12] <jbailey> They can eat and drink with the best of them.
[04:13] <jbailey> And I'd hate to be wiped out by a virulent diesease caused by a dirty telephone...
[04:14] <ajmitch> the committees & the meetings, though..
[04:14] <jsgotangco> that's why i quit my job as being one
[06:10] <Burglaptop> ok, how do I set the background colour on these bloody slides?
[06:11] <jsgotangco> lol
[06:11] <jsgotangco> master slide?
[06:12] <Burglaptop> yes
[06:12] <Burglaptop> I don't get this
[06:12] <jsgotangco> hmm whatever happened to muine's minimize function via esc key?
[06:13] <Burglaptop> found it
[06:13] <Burglaptop> under format-->page, 2nd tab is background
[06:14] <jsgotangco> impress 2 has some serious navigation issues
[06:14] <jsgotangco> its just way too different from the 1.x series
[06:14] <Burglaptop> impress needs to die, period
[06:14] <Burglaptop> it took 55 seconds to boot OO2 on my laptop
[06:14] <jsgotangco> wow
[06:14] <Burglaptop> with epiphany and xchat running
[06:14] <Burglaptop> and epip is lighter than FF
[06:14] <jsgotangco> mine doesn't take that long really probably around 8 secs
[06:14] <Burglaptop> 40 secs to get to the splash
[06:15] <jsgotangco> cracking
[06:15] <Burglaptop> ok, here is another really dumb thing
[06:15] <Burglaptop> I cannot seem to get a custom colour dialog up
[06:15] <Burglaptop> so I can choose one of the Ubuntu palettes
[06:15] <Burglaptop> and the default colours look like shite
[06:18] <jsgotangco> brb lunch
[06:49] <Burglaptop> ok, screw impress, I am going to do with pointless
[06:51] <Madpilot> pointless?
[06:52] <Burglaptop> a very basic presentation app
[06:52] <Burglaptop> http://pointless.dk/examples/viewme.pll/
[06:52] <jsgotangco> i prefer magicpoint
[06:52] <Madpilot> with that wonderful name? ;)
[06:53] <ajmitch> pointless works ok in breezy now? :)
[06:54] <jsgotangco> "A Pointless Presentation"
[06:54] <Burglaptop> ajmitch, yes it looks great, thanks
[06:54] <Burglaptop> someone needs to write a simply gui to it
[06:55] <ajmitch> ok, since it was only updated a couple of days ago to install
[06:55] <Madpilot> http://www.edwardtufte.com/tufte/powerpoint
[06:55] <Burglaptop> ajmitch, thank god
[06:55] <ajmitch> Burglaptop: a lot of these programs we never use & only hear rumours about afterwards
[06:57] <Burglaptop> ajmitch, it works a charm here
[06:57] <Burglaptop> ajmitch, yes that must be difficult. Look at the ruby mess in Hoary
[08:23] <Burglaptop> salut robitaille 
[08:23] <robitaille> Hello Burglaptop 
[08:23] <Madpilot> Burglaptop: hows the presentation for tomorrow night going?
[08:25] <Burglaptop> robitaille, Madpilot the Ubuntu one is almost dne, just need to write up the Google SoC one
[08:26] <Madpilot> two presentations?
[08:26] <Burglaptop> I am doing my main one on Ubuntu
[08:26] <Burglaptop> but doing a short presenation on SoC
[08:27] <robitaille> I now have a date for my own ubuntu talk at work; Oct 6th.   How is OOo impress? Last time I tried to use it 3-4 years ago, I got so mad at it, I ended up connverting my talk in html 2 days before the talk, and presenting it using a web browser.  
[08:30] <Burglaptop> robitaille, I am using pointless. Does that answer your question?
[08:31] <Madpilot> does FF or Epiph do full-screen like Opera does? You can actually do pretty cool presentations that way...
[08:32] <robitaille> yes it does.  That is what I used for my last couple of talks.  I was hoping for better with OOo v2
[08:32] <robitaille> Madpilot,   yes FF can doing full screen
[08:32] <robitaille> but usually I convert to pdf, then use acroread of xpdf in full screen mode.  Or now, evince
[08:33] <robitaille> s/of/or
[08:33] <Burglaptop> point is opengl driven, so you get pretty slides
[08:33] <Burglaptop> robitaille, you going to be there?
[08:35] <robitaille> maybe;  I really hope to.  But it's a very busy week; busier than usual if you can believe it.  
[08:35] <Burglaptop> robitaille, is this correct? http://img296.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ubuntuvsdebian6zn.png
[09:08] <jsgotangco> guys i received a malone bug regarding rosetta
[09:08] <jsgotangco> https://launchpad.net/malone/bugs/2242
[09:08] <jsgotangco> what to do with this?
[09:08] <jsgotangco> i can't seem to replicate it
[09:09] <ajmitch> can you reassign to rosetta?
[09:09] <robitaille> Burglaptop,   for your figure.  I thought debian non-free didn't exist anymore.  I'm really not a debian expert...
[09:10] <ajmitch> it does
[09:10] <ajmitch> non-US is the one that was obsoleted
[09:10] <jsgotangco> i can reassign it to rosetta
[09:11] <jsgotangco> rosetta-admins?
[09:11] <robitaille> ajmitch,  ah.  I knew there was a non-something that was  gone :)
[09:11] <ajmitch> not reassign the bug, since it's not assigned yet
[09:12] <ajmitch> I mean change that the bug is in ubuntu-doc
[09:12] <jsgotangco> i believe the package is assigned to UDP as maintainer
[09:13] <robitaille> rosetta-admins sound like the good one to assign to; if it is a rosetta problem
[09:13] <ajmitch> ok
[09:13] <robitaille> but if you cvan't reproduce...it's probably not our problem
[09:13] <jsgotangco> i can't unless someone in pt or other languages can do it as well
[09:13] <jsgotangco> its most likely rosetta
[09:16] <jsgotangco> i'll say i can't seem to reproduce it and ask the help of rosetta-admins
[09:17] <jsgotangco> that good?
[09:18] <robitaille> sounds good
[11:53] <mdke> anyone home?
[11:54] <HrdwrBoB> yo
[11:55] <mdke> the translators are picking up typos in about-ubuntu
[11:55] <mdke> you think it's ok to keep making corrections even after string freeze
[11:55] <mdke> ?
[11:56] <HrdwrBoB> typos should be fine though
[11:56] <HrdwrBoB> the main reason for freeze is for translation anyway
[11:56] <mdke> yeah
[12:05] <sivang> guys, please take a look at #15017 and tell me if it deserves a release note :)
[12:07] <rob^> doesn't it default to grub?
[12:18] <WaterSevenUb> hey ... I'm translating about-ubuntu
[12:18] <WaterSevenUb>   	translator-credits
[12:18] <WaterSevenUb> 		Developer note: Put one translator per line, in the form of NAME <EMAIL>, YEAR1, YEAR2.
[12:18] <WaterSevenUb> appears this... How can I put one translator per line if Rosetta only allows one line?
[12:19] <WaterSevenUb> I thought translator were automatically added.
[12:22] <mdke> no idea
[01:05] <WaterSevenUb>  Located in:  	  	applications.xml:44(para)
[01:05] <WaterSevenUb> What happened in the .PO file in this particular point?
[01:06] <WaterSevenUb> It's SOOOOO LONG.
[01:06] <WaterSevenUb> can somebody check?
[01:06] <WaterSevenUb> oops... I'm refering to FAQ GUIDE.
[01:43] <mdke> WaterSevenUb, you'll have to give me a link to demonstrate what you are talking about
[02:22] <ajmitch> rob^: around?
[05:36] <pitti> Hi
[05:37] <jbailey> Heya
[05:37] <jsgotangco> salut pitti
[05:37] <jbailey> (For thsoe follwoing along, pitti and I are just talking about updating translations for the docbook files automatically like langpacks and what our options for breezy are)
[05:37] <jbailey> jsgotangco: T'es franco? =)
[05:37] <pitti> ok, can someone please shortly describe the current translation process?
[05:38] <jsgotangco> basically we have our docbook xml, we make a po file and give it to rosetta
[05:38] <jsgotangco> right now translators are doing it in rosetta
[05:38] <pitti> so you have to manually import the PO into Rosetta?
[05:39] <pitti> or, rather, you generate a POT file automatically
[05:39] <pitti> and import existing PO files into Rosetta?
[05:40] <jsgotangco> roughly yes, its our first time to do it with rosetta
[05:41] <pitti> ok, so we should automate this process first
[05:41] <pitti> are the documentation files packaged somewhere?
[05:41] <pitti> if they are, we can do the Rosetta import automatically
[05:41] <pitti> or are the files maintained separately?
[05:41] <jsgotangco> none, we only have docbook source what jbailey did was package it himself
[05:42] <jsgotangco> he made a branch of the current svn to make it package friendly in the future
[05:42] <jbailey> pitti: I will also be doing weekly updates through the breezy+1 cycle
[05:42] <jbailey> pitti: So there's a reasonable possibility of doing the usual langpack slurping.
[05:42] <pitti> hm, so as long as there is no ubuntu-docs source package of some kind, automating something is difficult
[05:43] <jsgotangco> yes it should be seeded for every milestone
[05:44] <pitti> AFAICS, the easiest option at the moment would be to write a script that slurps translations from Rosetta and generates translated db-xml files
[05:44] <jbailey> pitti: Is a source package.
[05:44] <pitti> this script can then be integrated into the source package
[05:44] <jbailey> pitti: That's what I'm saying will be uploaded weekly in the new release.
[05:44] <pitti> ah, cool
[05:44] <jbailey> And can be done now for my spot uploads.
[05:45] <pitti> so a mere debian/rules rosetta-update would update everything
[05:45] <pitti> the problem is, translated documentation does not fit well into the current langpack concept
[05:45] <pitti> will all translations be shipped in one package, or is there something like ubuntu-doc-de and so on?
[05:46] <jsgotangco> hrmm
[05:46] <jsgotangco> no
[05:46] <jsgotangco> it used to be all ubuntu-doc
[05:46] <jsgotangco> everything is in there
[05:46] <jsgotangco> ideally though to save space, it makes sense to add them with the langpacks i guess
[05:47] <jbailey> pitti: Having them in the langpacks also makes sense to for post-breezy updating.
[05:47] <jsgotangco> however, those docs point to global entities in the source
[05:47] <jbailey> jsgotangco: Even the translations?
[05:47] <jsgotangco> indeed
[05:48] <jbailey> I thought they just got their own subdirectories and were noticed if they were available?
[05:48] <jsgotangco> that's why they are all in one folder
[05:48] <jbailey> Feh
[05:48] <jsgotangco> that method would end up all the translations having their own copy of the entities
[05:48] <jsgotangco> instead of just one
[05:48] <pitti> well, either way, the package can certainly be updated in langpack-o-matic in the end
[05:49] <pitti> but for now, having the script in the source package is the best solution IMHO
[05:49] <pitti> later we can call the script from langpack-o-matic, so it's not wasted
[05:49] <pitti> package-specific logic should be kept in the particular package anyway
[05:50] <pitti> jsgotangco: what about a ubuntu-doc-common package with all the entities and pictures, and so on?
[05:50] <jbailey> pitti: I can do that.  So far the docs are arch:all
[05:50] <jbailey> So there wasn't much point.
[05:51] <pitti> well, as long as the size of one translation is small compared to the size of images, having just one package probably makes sense anyway
[05:51] <jsgotangco> pitti: that is ideal since we'll just have all the docs from langpacks refer to a single location
[05:51] <jsgotangco> we'll just have to fix the svn to make it friendly to that
[05:51] <pitti> and the packge split is pretty orthogonal to the automatic translation anyway
[06:16] <jsgotangco> hey jjesse
[06:16] <jjesse> hey jsgotangco
[06:17] <jjesse> note from sean (froud) to keep working in trunk for docs
[06:17] <jsgotangco> he sent you?
[06:17] <jjesse> i asked him directly
[06:18] <jjesse> if i was to be making changesw in /branches/breezy and he said to keep working in trunk
[06:18] <jjesse> On Tuesday 13 September 2005 04:16, Jonathan Jesse wrote: 
[06:18] <jjesse> > I don't know how much doc work you still are doing for Kubuntu (ubuntu) but 
[06:18] <jjesse> > do I start making changes to branches/breezy or keep working in trunk? 
[06:18] <jjesse> 
[06:18] <jjesse> jj you just keep working in trunk
[06:18] <jsgotangco> branches/breezy is frozen
[06:18] <jjesse> that's what i thought
[06:19] <jsgotangco> it will eventually get merged back
[06:44] <mdke> jsgotangco, can you push my mails through to the mailing list from last night? sorry
[06:44] <jsgotangco> sure
[06:44] <jsgotangco> sorry i wasnt checking the mod list
[06:44] <jsgotangco> (was busy spamming the edubuntu wiki atm)
[06:44] <mdke> heh
[06:45] <jsgotangco> i seem to like the gartoon icons
[06:45] <jsgotangco> errr
[06:45] <jsgotangco> mdke: i don't have anything to approve here
[06:45] <jsgotangco> just spam
[06:46] <mdke> jsgotangco, hmm
[06:46] <mdke> i had three emails to be moderated from yesterday
[06:46] <jsgotangco> maybe liz approved them
[06:46] <mdke> don't worry then
[06:46] <mdke> nope
[06:46] <jsgotangco> (or probably deleted them without reading)
[06:46] <mdke> the other thing i was just thinking
[06:46] <jsgotangco> sorry about that Liz usually does the cleaning in the morning
[06:47] <jsgotangco> she's 2 hours ahead of me so
[06:47] <mdke> do you think we should tidy up the LP team?
[06:47] <jsgotangco> ubuntu-doc?
[06:47] <mdke> there are a few people in there who are not doc contributors
[06:47] <jsgotangco> i don't know these people asking for membership
[06:48] <mdke> i mean there are a few approved people who are not contributors
[06:48] <squinn> hi everybody.
[06:48] <mdke> hi squinn 
[06:48] <squinn> mdke, ironic you said that as i walked in?
[06:48] <jsgotangco> hah
[06:48] <mdke> heh
[06:48] <squinn> no, seriously, i'm sorry. i've been more inactive then GNU/Hurd
[06:50] <mdke> np
[06:51] <squinn> But, I'll see what I can do in regards to patches.
[06:51] <squinn> I just try to experiment too much with Breezy. Now it seems like I'm stable, with the Preview Release.
[06:52] <mdke> squinn, the documentation has been frozen now, we will just be working on the release notes and then for Breezy +1
[06:52] <squinn> ah, ok.
[06:52] <squinn> out of curiousity, did we get that new gnome-doc-utils we were pushing for?
[06:53] <squinn> well, how can i help on the release notes or Breezy+1?
[06:54] <mdke> squinn, i think there is a wiki page you can contribute to
[06:54] <mdke> BreezyReleaseNotes
[06:54] <jsgotangco> yes
[06:54] <mdke> no idea about gnome-doc-utils
[06:54] <jsgotangco> please check on that page
[06:54] <jsgotangco> we'll pass it to -devel soon
[06:55] <jsgotangco> squinn: did you use your commit account even once?
[06:57] <squinn> jsgotangco, did i get one?
[06:57] <jsgotangco> gahhhh
[06:57] <squinn> to my knowledge, there was a holdup
[06:57] <mdke> yes
[06:57] <squinn> and i never received it.
[06:57] <squinn> oh.
[06:57] <squinn> ok.
[06:57] <jsgotangco> didn't elmo email you about it?
[06:57] <mdke> iirc
[06:57] <squinn> nope
[06:57] <jsgotangco> hrmrmmm
[06:57] <squinn> got one email from canonical about it
[06:57] <jsgotangco> about?
[06:57] <jsgotangco> hmm
[06:58] <jsgotangco> i think your key wasn't in the public key servers?
[06:58] <jsgotangco> and elmo said submit it somewhere?
[06:58] <squinn> yes. that's it.
[06:58] <squinn> and i lost my key various times
[06:58] <jsgotangco> yikes
[06:58] <squinn> and i heard Burgundavia's story about he lost his key.
[06:58] <squinn> so i finally just emailed it to myself
[06:58] <squinn> and whenever i reinstall, i have it there
[07:00] <jsgotangco> squinn: do you still have it then?
[07:00] <jsgotangco> squinn: are you going to help out again soon?
[07:00] <squinn> jsgotangco, yes and yes.
[07:00] <jsgotangco> cool
[07:01] <jsgotangco> we're frozen at the moment, but after translations come in, we'll brainstorm a few weeks before UBZ
[07:01] <jsgotangco> so that we'll make Corey's stay in montreal miserable (heh)
[07:01] <Kinnison> poor corey
[07:01] <mdke> translation activity has been high btw
[07:01] <mdke> it's lookin good
[07:01] <jsgotangco> mdke: yeah im impressed, most of it is almost done
[07:02] <mdke> well i wouldn't go that far ;)
[07:02] <mdke> argh
[07:02] <jsgotangco> well About Ubuntu has been quite done for most
[07:02] <mdke> rob^ is translating it into Australian
[07:02] <jsgotangco> lol
[07:02] <mdke> faqguide i mean
[07:02] <jsgotangco> ahh
[07:02] <jsgotangco> hrmm
[07:02] <jsgotangco> how will he translate that
[07:02] <squinn> pubring.gpg pubring.gpg random_seed
[07:02] <squinn>  secring.gpg
[07:02] <squinn>  trustdb.gpg
[07:02] <squinn>  [these all go in .gnupg right?] 
[07:02] <jsgotangco> "command not found wanker?"
[07:03] <mdke> LOL
[07:03] <jsgotangco> squinn: that's your keys alright
[07:03] <squinn> ok
[07:03] <squinn> those all go in .gnupg, the folder though, right?
[07:03] <squinn> and revoke.asc goes in my ~
[07:04] <jsgotangco> mdke: i dont get this i need to be in a team to translate?
[07:04] <mdke> yeah
[07:04] <mdke> you can make suggestions if you're not
[07:04] <mdke> but they will have to be approved by a team member
[07:04] <jsgotangco> who makes the team?
[07:04] <mdke> jsgotangco, carlos/daf/jordi
[07:04] <jsgotangco> ahh
[07:04] <jsgotangco> now i see how interwined they are now
[07:05] <mdke> if the team exists already, just apply to join
[07:05] <jsgotangco> there is non
[07:05] <mdke> k
[07:05] <jsgotangco> i request via email?
[07:05] <mdke> yeah
[07:05] <mdke> rosetta-users@lists or rosetta@ubuntu.com
[07:05] <jsgotangco> ahhh
[07:06] <jsgotangco> nice, we now have slovak and serbian
[07:06] <squinn> ok, i'm putting my pgp key in launchpad
[07:07] <CWiesen> hi there, got a question;
[07:07] <jsgotangco> indonesian! wow
[07:07] <CWiesen> can someone tell me about the state of the Kubuntu docs? I offered to help with the german translation some time ago and was told that it would be a good time to start when it's in rosetta. Is it? Didn't see anything yet.
[07:07] <jsgotangco> we'll have bahasa...
[07:07] <mdke> CWiesen, they are not ready yet unfortunately
[07:07] <mdke> gtg
[07:07] <jsgotangco> CWiesen: we didn't include kubuntu they are incomplete
[07:08] <jsgotangco> unfortunately, there was only 1 guy doing it all at the end...
[07:08] <CWiesen> ah. so they are beeing worked on in svn then?
[07:08] <jsgotangco> yes
[07:08] <CWiesen> Sean Wheller, I know. Could someone remind me of his irc nick? :-/
[07:09] <jsgotangco> no not Sean
[07:09] <CWiesen> no?
[07:09] <jsgotangco> Jonathan Jesse
[07:09] <jsgotangco> Sean hasn't been active for months
[07:09] <CWiesen> oh, that's a shame. He seemed very enthusiastic at that time
[07:09] <jsgotangco> he just sort of dropped out
[07:09] <highvoltage> CWiesen: Sean Wheller is bantu, I think
[07:09] <jsgotangco> or venda
[07:10] <highvoltage> jsgotangco: Sean is just very busy, he's on jabber regularly: seanwhe@jabberafrica.org
[07:10] <highvoltage> ah yes, venda.
[07:10] <CWiesen> well, sometimes reallife just stops you from doing some things I guess.
[07:11] <jsgotangco> he sometimes responds to the list
[07:12] <CWiesen> ubuntu-doc? somehow (wrongly) expected to see something on kubuntu-devel, stupid me
[07:13] <jsgotangco> CWiesen: yes
[07:13] <Burgundavia> jeffsch, mdke the quicktour is working now, thanks
[07:15] <jsgotangco> Burgundavia: script?
[07:18] <Burgundavia> jsgotangco, the build script is now working
[07:20] <Kinnison> Burgundavia: so, do I bring uno to UBZ?
[07:21] <Burgundavia> Kinnison, I shall be there
[07:29] <jsgotangco> oh well good night all
[07:29] <Burgundavia> night jsgotangco 
[07:44] <jbailey> squinn: GNU/Hurd is remarkably active.. =)
[08:44] <WaterSevenUb> mdke, for example https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/breezy/+sources/ubuntu-docs/+pots/faqguide/pt/+translate
[08:44] <WaterSevenUb> mdke look to 207 ... it seems weird ....
[08:44] <WaterSevenUb> mdke, the example you asked for this morning :)
[08:45] <WaterSevenUb> mdke, https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/breezy/+sources/ubuntu-docs/+pots/faqguide/pt/+translate?offset=200
[08:48] <WaterSevenUb> or someone...
[08:58] <mpt> ugh, that's broken
[09:00] <mpt> WaterSevenUb: Don't use the  and  symbols in your translations
[09:01] <mpt> e.g. item 212 shouldn't have all those s in them
[09:16] <froud> mdke: evening
[09:17] <froud> Will ppl be merging the breezy branch enhancements to back trunk
[10:20] <WaterSevenUb> mpt, Well... I don't use them for sure, someone else did!
[10:20] <WaterSevenUb> mpt, but is not only this that is broken... there are more!
[10:21] <WaterSevenUb> mpt, what should I do?
[10:22] <WaterSevenUb> mpt, item 214 is even worse!
[10:23] <WaterSevenUb> is this happening in every language?
[10:23] <WaterSevenUb> FAQ GUIDE 207 and 214 items seem to be broken?
[10:28] <mpt> WaterSevenUb: Yes, it's a bug in Rosetta that it misleads you into using them
[10:28] <mpt> WaterSevenUb: You can delete those characters when you see them
[10:28] <mpt> WaterSevenUb: As for items 207 and 214, I suggest reporting a bug
[10:28] <WaterSevenUb> mpt, Hum? What characters? :))) yeah... I know :) I didn't use them :)
[10:29] <WaterSevenUb> mpt, where? against rosetta or ubuntu-docs in bugzilla?
[10:41] <WaterSevenUb> mpt, I mean.... in malone (rosetta) or ubuntu-docs in bugzilla?:) I don't know what the problem is :)
[10:50] <mpt> WaterSevenUb: in Malone against Rosetta
[10:55] <mdke> mpt, is there a problem with the pot?
[10:56] <mdke> or just rosetta you think?
[10:58] <mdke> i'm terrified that when we come to transform the po's back into xml they will not work...
[10:59] <WaterSevenUb> https://launchpad.net/malone/bugs/2270
[10:59] <mpt> mdke: Well, check the XML then
[10:59] <mpt> See if there's anything that could possibly be wrong
[10:59] <mpt> but you're a bit unlucky because the Rosetta developer is on holiday at the moment
[10:59] <mdke> yes i know
[10:59] <mdke> i'm not 100% confident in the xml2po process :/
[11:00] <WaterSevenUb> mpt, enough?:)
[11:00] <mpt> WaterSevenUb: yup, and next time you could even leave out the "cheers, Rui" part ;-)
[11:01] <WaterSevenUb> mpt, aaaargh... now I feel embarrassed and want to delete that :)
[11:01] <mpt> Well if you really want to, you can -- click "Edit Description"
[11:02] <mpt> but it's no big deal
[11:02] <WaterSevenUb> mpt, done :) uff...
[11:02] <WaterSevenUb> mpt, now appears two times!!!! 
[11:02] <mpt> That's intentional
[11:02] <WaterSevenUb> eheheh
[11:02] <mdke> don't worry about it WaterSevenUb 
[11:02] <mpt> If anyone changes the description, the original description is shown as a comment
[11:03] <mpt> to preserve the history of the bug
[11:03] <WaterSevenUb> :)
[11:03] <mdke> right I'm going to try converting the portugese translation back to xml
[11:04] <mdke> fingers crossed
[11:07] <mdke> damn
[11:07] <mdke> no email
[11:10] <WaterSevenUb> :/
[11:13] <mdke> hmm
[11:13] <mdke> just 23 fatal errors
[11:14] <mdke> not great though
[11:18] <WaterSevenUb> mdke, I'm wondering...to solve the problem will the translations done meanwhile be lost?
[11:18] <WaterSevenUb> mdke, the 207,214 thing? That can be frustrating to some of the guys that have helped us so far...
[11:26] <mdke> WaterSevenUb, i understand, I do not know what is causing the problems
[11:27] <mdke> seems to be some /n missing from the translations
[11:28] <mdke> pt.po:4967: `msgid' and `msgstr' entries do not both end with '\n'
[11:29] <mdke> i have absolutely no idea about the 207, 214 thing, we'll have to wait for carlos to get back from holiday
[11:30] <mdke> mark the bug as major if you can
[11:31] <mdke> and cc me
[11:32] <mdke> --> gone
[11:39] <segfault> is there any link with the essentials of documentation tools? xsltproc, docbook, xml2pot, etc.
[11:51] <froud> http://www.cluetrain.org for those interested in marketing concepts
[11:51] <squinn> hey sean.
[11:52] <froud> squinn: hi
[11:53] <froud> # Eric S. Raymond, President, Open Source Initiative  - "The cluetrain is to marketing and communications what the open-source movement is to software development -- anarchic, messy, rude, and vastly more powerful than the doomed bullshit that conventionally passes for wisdom."
[11:54] <froud> Far out Eric!