[02:08] <bddebian> Heya
[02:28] <mbreit> hi bddebian
[02:30] <rbelem-sun4u> hi bddebian
[02:35] <bddebian> Heya mbreit, rbelem-sun4u
[02:36] <mbreit> bddebian: what's the difference between the assigned and the in process sections on the unmet deps page?
[02:38] <bddebian> Well that's a good question. :-)  My original thought was In Process means you are actively working on it where assigned was more "I'll take care of this".  For example, slomo has offered to fix all the haskell stuff so I put them in assigned.
[02:39] <mbreit> okay, i see
[02:40] <bddebian> You are probably right though, it's probably overkill
[02:45] <bddebian> mbreit: You have upload rights don't you?
[02:46] <mbreit> yes, i have
[02:47] <mbreit> why do you ask=
[02:47] <mbreit> ?
[02:47] <bddebian> mbreit: ickle
[02:48] <mbreit> bddebian: that package is so much broken... my patch make it work again on breezy... but the fix is as ugly as the package is...
[02:48] <bddebian> Ahhh :-)
[02:56] <ajmitch> afternoon
[02:56] <bddebian> Heya ajmitch, how are you?
[02:56] <ajmitch> ok
[03:21] <bddebian> Heya slomo
[03:21] <slomo> hi bddebian :)
[03:21] <slomo> what's the time where you live? ;)
[03:21] <ajmitch> still fairly early, isn't it?
[03:21] <bddebian> 9:21pm
[03:21] <slomo> oh... that's really early :)
[03:22] <ajmitch> yeah
[03:22] <ajmitch> only 1:22pm here :)
[03:23] <mbreit> hehe... it's 3:22am here ;)
[03:23] <slomo> hmm... 3:22 am :)
[03:23] <slomo> bddebian: with assigning the stuff to me i meant putting it on my work in progress section :)
[03:25] <bddebian> slomo: Oh, sorry
[03:25] <ivoks> hi
[03:25] <ajmitch> hm, should I stay or should I go? :)
[03:26] <slomo> bddebian: no need to be sorry :)
[03:26] <ivoks> bddebian: ahm... it's 3:30AM? :)
[03:26] <slomo> ivoks: 3:26... you clock is wrong ;)
[03:26] <ivoks> slomo: and you?
[03:27] <ivoks> have you been to bed and woke up early or didn't see a bed at all? ;)
[03:27] <bddebian> ajmitch: Go, go, go
[03:28] <slomo> ivoks: last one :) i was with mbreit at our local lug... we two and a friend were the only ones there ;) and after that visited another friend
[03:28] <ajmitch> bddebian: it'd be at least a month's wage for a couple of weeks away
[03:28] <mbreit> but i really think its time for bed now ;) so good night everybody
[03:28] <ivoks> mbreit: 'night
[03:29] <bddebian> ajmitch: Youch
[03:29] <bddebian> ajmitch: Well if I come I'll split a room with ya ;-P
[03:29] <ajmitch> bddebian: yeah, I'm not talking about a cheap trip for me
[03:30] <ajmitch> bddebian: the place I might stay at, I'd be sleeping in a dorm anyway :P
[03:30] <bddebian> Oh, hehe
[03:30] <bddebian> Heya lamont
[03:30] <ajmitch> hello lamont
[03:31] <lamont> sup?
[03:31] <ajmitch> just thinking about UBZ
[03:32] <lamont> yeah - I need to manage to have an informal conversation or two in the hall tomorrow, and figure out if/how I'm going.
[03:34] <jsgotangco> hey all
[03:35] <jsgotangco> ajmitch, ping?
[03:35] <bddebian> OK, I have a dilemma.  MoM wants me to merge packagesearch 1.3 but it no longer exists in Debian it seems.  packagesearch 2.0 in Debian depends on libdebtags1-pic which only seems to exist on Alioth.  Any suggestions??
[03:35] <bddebian> Heya jsgotangco
[03:35] <jsgotangco> does anyone have an idea why the default setting for best is --no-tray?
[03:36] <ajmitch> jsgotangco: pong
[03:36] <ajmitch> jsgotangco: it is?
[03:36] <ajmitch> in the menu entry?
[03:36] <jsgotangco> yes
[03:36] <jsgotangco> i had to change it manually
[03:36] <ajmitch> does the menu entry not popup a best window?
[03:37] <ajmitch> or do you prefer to have the tray icon as well?
[03:37] <jsgotangco> the menu entry pops up the best window but it doesn't seem to work at all even if i start beagled manually
[03:37] <ajmitch> ok
[03:37] <ajmitch> file a bug in malone, assign to 'mono'
[03:37] <jsgotangco> however, when i edited the menu entry with the no tray option, it worked
[03:37] <jsgotangco> ok
[03:37] <jsgotangco> i was about to ask before filing
[03:37] <ajmitch> then if I don't get to it, tseng or slomo will :)
[03:38] <slomo> beagle?
[03:38] <slomo> ok, give me the bug when you created one :)
[03:39] <slomo> bddebian: ?
[03:40] <bddebian> OK, I have a dilemma.  MoM wants me to merge packagesearch 1.3 but it no longer exists in Debian it seems.  packagesearch 2.0 in Debian depends on libdebtags1-pic which only seems to exist on Alioth.  Any suggestions??
[03:40] <ajmitch> you asked that < 5 minutes ago :P
[03:40] <Lathiat> bddebian: doesnt mom have all the data you need for 1.3?
[03:40] <bddebian> Lathiat: Yes but why bring it in when 2.0 is out?  1.3 doesn't even show in Debian anymore
[03:40] <ajmitch> bddebian: it shows here
[03:40] <Lathiat> but it sounds like 2.0 isnt really out properly yet
[03:41] <bddebian> ajmitch: Where?
[03:41] <ajmitch> unstable
[03:41] <ajmitch> I just fetched the source
[03:41] <ajmitch> fun
[03:42] <ajmitch> so 2.0 *just* got into unstable
[03:42] <ajmitch> it might be still in incoming :)
[03:42] <bddebian> Weird, libdebtags1-pic is supposed to come from debtags
[03:42] <ajmitch> anyway, I have the source if you need it
[03:43] <bddebian> We just got debtags 1.4 in recently but no binary for libdebtags1-pic
[03:43] <ivoks> Lathiat: can you drag windows with tapping? on reverted synaptics...
[03:43] <Lathiat> ivoks: no, thats was part of the reason the new one was brought in
[03:43] <bddebian> ajmitch: I can get the source for packagesearch, it's libdebtags1-pic that screws me with 2.0
[03:43] <Lathiat> dthe whole double tpa thing
[03:43] <Lathiat> speciifcally with alps
[03:43] <ajmitch> aha
[03:43] <ivoks> ok
[03:43] <Lathiat> it works on synaptics synaptics
[03:44] <bddebian> Anyone have any sync or morgue requests while I'm writing another e-mail to elmo? :-)
[03:44] <ajmitch> sure
[03:45] <bddebian> Anyone bored?
[03:46] <Lathiat> bored? never! ;p
[03:46] <ajmitch> of course I am
[03:46] <ivoks> bddebian: yes
[03:47] <ivoks> bddebian: oleo, libxdb1c102, libxdn-dev
[03:47] <bddebian> To be more specific.  Anyone feel like checking out a merge for me?  synopsis on MoM includes a patch for python2.4 which applies cleanly and it seems to build fine, but it doesn't de-apply correctly :-(
[03:47] <ivoks> bddebian: oleo, libxdb1c102, libxdb-dev
[03:47] <bddebian> ivoks: Sync or morgue?
[03:47] <ivoks> morgue
[03:48] <bddebian> Can you give me a little rationale to pass along?
[03:48] <Lathiat> bddebian: ask for morgue of kde*
[03:48] <ivoks> bddebian: oleo depends on libxdb... oleo isn't being developed any more
[03:48] <bddebian> Lathiat: Heh
[03:48] <ivoks> bddebian: libdb is replaced with libxbase, iirc
[03:49] <ajmitch> Lathiat: sounds fair
[03:49] <Lathiat> ajmitch: i thought so
[03:49] <ivoks> bddebian: libxdb, not libdb, sorry
[03:49] <jsgotangco> slomo, #2243 malone
[03:49] <Lathiat> bddebian doesn't seeb to agree
[03:49] <Lathiat> perhaps we can beat him into submission
[03:49] <ajmitch> Lathiat: as long as you morgue avahi also ;)
[03:49] <ivoks> and network-manager :)
[03:49] <ajmitch> haha
[03:49] <Lathiat> yeh if network-manager isnt going to be udpated with j's totally cool and wowrkign packages
[03:49] <Lathiat> as its useles
[03:49] <Lathiat> s
[03:50] <Lathiat> it should be trashed
[03:50] <ajmitch> we wouldn't harm your precious avahi
[03:50] <Lathiat> monkeys bite back you know
[03:50] <ajmitch> tseng(irrc) tried uploading the updated packages
[03:50] <ajmitch> but they seemed to disappear
[03:50] <ajmitch> so someone has to retry
[03:50] <Lathiat> perhaps elmo ate them or something
[03:50] <Lathiat> cus there was some dispute last check
[03:50] <Lathiat> did that get resolved?
[03:51] <bddebian> ivoks: Got them, thanks
[03:52] <ajmitch> Lathiat: no idea, that's why I haven't touched them
[03:52] <ivoks> stopid dell keyboard
[03:52] <Lathiat> ivoks: what about it?
[03:52] <Lathiat> apart from the W key on this one
[03:53] <ivoks> after only 7 months of use
[03:53] <Lathiat> which i only have to rest my finger on to count as a key tap
[03:53] <ivoks> it started to ring on pressing some keys
[03:53] <Lathiat> ring?
[03:53] <ivoks> yeah
[03:53] <ivoks> stopid sound
[03:53] <ivoks> it's not click
[03:53] <ivoks> it's... well, ring :)
[03:53] <bddebian> Heya tritium
[03:54] <Lathiat> maybe your keyboard is trying to talk to you ;p
[03:54] <ivoks> :)
[03:54] <ivoks> maybe
[03:54] <ivoks> don't hit ctrl! :)
[03:54] <tritium> hey bddebian
[03:54] <ivoks> it rings when i press ctrl
[03:54] <Lathiat> oh
[03:54] <Lathiat> heh
[03:55] <ivoks> it's not a joke
[03:55] <ivoks> it acctually rings
[03:56] <ivoks> UBZ?
[03:57] <Lathiat> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBelowZero
[03:57] <ivoks> i didn't know that mako left canonical...
[03:57] <Lathiat> yeh
[03:57] <Lathiat> a bit back
[03:57] <ajmitch> ivoks: yep
[03:57] <Lathiat> i think hes still sitting on the CC tho
[03:57] <ajmitch> he's now the proprietor of The Acetarium ;)
[03:57] <ivoks> and ubuntu too?
[03:57] <ajmitch> yes
[03:58] <ajmitch> ivoks: not at all
[03:58] <ajmitch> he wants to be part of the community
[03:58] <Lathiat> acetarium?
[03:58] <ivoks> ah, ok
[03:58] <Lathiat> what happened with thom?
[03:58] <ajmitch> and sees non-canonical representation onthe CC as a good thing
[03:58] <Lathiat> i knew mako was leaving, but thom seemed to just disappear
[03:58] <ajmitch> Lathiat: no idea about thom
[03:58] <ajmitch> Lathiat: the acetarium is mako's place in boston, you need to read his blog :)
[03:58] <Lathiat> ah
[03:59] <ajmitch> http://mako.cc/copyrighteous/
[03:59] <ivoks> ubz is 10 days?
[04:00] <ivoks> uh, that's quite... expensive for me :/
[04:00] <ajmitch> ivoks: shorter for the ubuntu stuff
[04:00] <ajmitch> it's only a week of ubuntu
[04:01] <ivoks> i see
[04:01] <ajmitch> flights would be the most expensive part for you, I guess
[04:01] <ajmitch> as it is for me
[04:01] <ivoks> yeah...
[04:01] <ivoks> and in october i have to pay my colledge
[04:01] <ajmitch> or would you just fly to somewhere else in europe & catch a cheap flight to canada?
[04:01] <ajmitch> ah
[04:02] <ivoks> like 1000 euros
[04:02] <ajmitch> Lathiat: mako has this amazing skill to write crap & make it sound good ;)
[04:03] <Lathiat> heh
[04:03] <jsgotangco> lol
[04:04] <ajmitch> yeah, he just stopped appearing on irc & uploading, from what we can see
[04:04] <Lathiat> and i heard at some point when asking that he left
[04:04] <ajmitch> no doubt some people know where he is
[04:04] <Lathiat> as such im curious as to the nature of his departure
[04:05] <ajmitch> well he was alive at jdub's wedding, judging by the photos :)
[04:06] <jsgotangco> that was a long time ago
[04:06] <ajmitch> I know
[04:07] <ajmitch> before UDU
[04:07] <Lathiat> heh i was supposed to goto his afterparty
[04:07] <Lathiat> but i was so tired i fell asleep
[04:07] <Lathiat> and slept through it
[04:07] <Lathiat> cus i hadnt slept for 35 hours or so
[04:07] <ajmitch> the shame
[04:07] <Lathiat> wawke up
[04:07] <Lathiat> dont sleep that night
[04:07] <Lathiat> on plane at 9am
[04:07] <Lathiat> canberra by 4 or so
[04:07] <ajmitch> I'll probably be like that if I get to montreal :)
[04:07] <Lathiat> mm, or 2, or something
[04:08] <Lathiat> feel asleep at 4 or so
[04:08] <Lathiat> slept through till midnight or so
[04:08] <Lathiat> bus left at 6 to go to jdubs :)
[04:08] <Lathiat> apparently they filled my spot so it was ok ;p
[04:08] <jsgotangco> how does launchpad karma work anyways?
[04:08] <Lathiat> jsgotangco: i think its based on your involvement
[04:08] <Lathiat> bugs filed, etc
[04:09] <Lathiat> whether you hacked the source to give you extra karma
[04:09] <Lathiat> that sorta thing
[04:09] <ajmitch> I've just got karma for bugs fixed, commented on & filed
[04:09] <jsgotangco> and karma points can be exchanged for?
[04:09] <ajmitch> nothing
[04:09] <ajmitch> they're just a way fo feeling 1337
[04:09] <Lathiat> it just gives an idea of what your activity is like i guess
[04:10] <ajmitch> I'm surprised they don't have activity graphs on there yet :)
[04:10] <jsgotangco> just like in /. i guess
[04:12] <hypatia> ajmitch: were you going to follow up the attempt to get a freeze exception for python-nevow, should I do it, or is there no point?
[04:12] <ajmitch> hypatia: I followed up today, mdz approved
[04:12] <hypatia> oh great
[04:12] <hypatia> where do you live, I want to give you a cookie :)
[04:13] <ajmitch> NZ, sorry :)
[04:13] <hypatia> hey, it's only a four hour flight
[04:14] <ajmitch> Lathiat: you'll find out in january, hopefully
[04:15] <Lathiat> hopefully
[04:17] <slomo> gn8 everybody
[04:17] <ajmitch> night slomo
[04:21] <ivoks> night
[04:21] <LaserJock> do you guys now if bmonty is around?
[04:50] <jsgotangco> ooohh i didnt know gajim was already in
[04:50] <crimsun> someone doesn't read breezy-changes :p
[04:50] <jsgotangco> heh
[04:51] <ajmitch> at least I was crazy enough to do it while breezy was still autosyncing from sid
[04:51] <Lathiat> heh
[04:51] <ajmitch> it's just that debian packagers don't usually take downgrades into account, for good reasons
[04:51] <Lathiat> ajmitch: i've given up talkign to them now
[04:52] <ajmitch> I believe there's a goal to make breezy upgradeable from sarge
[04:52] <ajmitch> but not sid, afaik
[04:54] <Lathiat> mmm
[04:54] <Lathiat> xorg HEAD, and a mix of debian and ubuntu
[04:54] <Lathiat> fun
[04:54] <ajmitch> yay
[04:55] <Lathiat> im tempted to try some xorg cvs and stuff tho
[04:55] <Lathiat> on a separate install
[04:55] <Lathiat> try get 3d on this ati working
[04:55] <Lathiat> thatd be rad
[04:57] <ajmitch> gentoo
[04:57] <ajmitch> or grumpy when it's available ;)
[04:57] <Lathiat> well i was seriously thinking that
[04:57] <Lathiat> maybe i can just build a copy
[04:57] <Lathiat> off the default path
[04:59] <Lathiat> Xorg actually owns x.org? wow cool
[04:59] <ajmitch> well yeah
[04:59] <ajmitch> it wasn't named that for no reason :)
[05:00] <Lathiat> heh
[05:02] <ivoks> eh... no UBZ fo me :/
[05:03] <ivoks> just to get to the paris, i need 220euros
[05:03] <bddebian> Chicken feed money ;-P
[05:03] <Lathiat> hah
[05:03] <Lathiat> i wish it cost me that much
[05:03] <Lathiat> 2700 euros for a flight from here
[05:04] <ivoks> that's just to paris
[05:04] <Lathiat> might be able to get it cheaper, maybe 1500, minimum
[05:04] <ivoks> one way
[05:04] <ivoks> from paris to montreal... ah...
[05:04] <Lathiat> mm probably not 1500
[05:04] <Lathiat> maybe 2000
[05:04] <Lathiat> :)
[05:05] <ivoks> i'll wait for breezy+2 meeting :)
[05:05] <Lathiat> heh
[05:05] <ivoks> maybe it will be in europe :)
[05:06] <ivoks> bddebian: will you go?
[05:06] <hypatia> there have been two europe meetings already: Oxford and Mataro
[05:06] <ivoks> oh
[05:06] <Lathiat> *australian
[05:06] <bddebian> ivoks: I want to but dunno yet.
[05:06] <Lathiat> i was in a city fairly close the week after
[05:06] <Lathiat> for linux.conf.au
[05:06] <hypatia> Asia and South America seem to be the big missing links so far.
[05:07] <Lathiat> s/after/before
[05:07] <ivoks> bddebian: is there any german wings flight to montreal?
[05:07] <jsgotangco> hypatia, because of the lack of visible contribs from Asia *sigh*
[05:07] <hypatia> But I don't know if Canonical has any employees in Asia, and I suspect that factors in.
[05:07] <bddebian> ivoks: How would I know, I'm in the US. :-)
[05:07] <ivoks> oh
[05:08] <ivoks> bddebian: sorry, i tought you are german :)
[05:08] <hypatia> Oh, and Africa: there's been a Launchpad conference there, but not an Ubuntu one.
[05:08] <hypatia> So really, they have a chunk of the world to cover yet.
[05:09] <Lathiat> perth, australia sounds good to me
[05:10] <bddebian> ivoks: NP, but you probably just offended all the Germans here.. ;-P
[05:13] <ivoks> :))
[05:14] <ivoks> http://www.paris-cdg.com/air.html
[05:14] <ivoks> only idiot can design something like this
[05:17] <ivoks> 700euros to canada and back
[05:17] <ivoks> hm...
[05:17] <ivoks> so, i would sleep in a bag :)
[05:19] <bddebian> Be mighty cold if it's Below Zero ;-)
[05:19] <ivoks> KLM guys are funny
[05:19] <ivoks> 2000$ from paris to montreal :)
[05:20] <sladen> ivoks: should be able to do it for less than that... I'm currently trying to bet the 220 GBP figure...
[05:20] <ivoks> sladen: i found 600$ round trip
[05:21] <ivoks> but that's from paris...
[05:21] <sladen> ivoks: feel free to add it to  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBelowZero/TravelHints
[05:21] <sladen> ivoks: where are you?
[05:21] <ivoks> and i need 200euros from zagreb to paris roundtrip
[05:21] <ivoks> zagreb, croatia
[05:21] <sladen> ah, right
[05:22] <sladen> try getting a cheap airline from croatia to UK/Netherlands/France
[05:22] <ivoks> right
[05:23] <sladen> if I go, I might do the opposite and take the train from New York/Boston since the distances in America turn out to be pitifully small (500km Boston->Montreal)
[05:24] <ivoks> 500km?
[05:24] <ivoks> i would go with car on your place :)
[05:24] <ivoks> i did 1000km this summer in one day :)
[05:26] <ivoks> i'm afraid this is to expensive for me... since i have to pay for coledge and i'm going with g/f on trip for few days
[05:32] <bddebian> Heya seth_k
[05:32] <seth_k> hi bddebian :)
[05:40] <bddebian> ajmitch: You are watching bug 1827 on Malone?  Afaict, ptyhon2.4-ctypes works??
[05:48] <ajmitch> bddebian: no I haven't been watching closely
[05:49] <ajmitch> since watches are broken on malone
[05:49] <ajmitch> iirc, I uploaded
[05:49] <bddebian> ajmitch: I thought so too.  You wanna close that bug?
[05:49] <ajmitch> ok
[05:51] <LaserJock> do you use dpatch to make changes to files in the original source?
[05:51] <ajmitch> many people do
[05:53] <LaserJock> so do you make a copy of the source directory and make your changes and then do a diff?
[05:56] <ajmitch> no, dpatch-edit-patch
[05:56] <ajmitch> but you have to setup debian/rules for dpatch first
[05:56] <LaserJock> hmm, ok. I was looking at the Debian new maintainers guide and they had an example at the end that used dpatch
[05:57] <ajmitch> bddebian: did you seriously request a libdv sync?
[05:57] <bddebian> ajmitch: It's on my list, why?
[05:57] <ajmitch> bddebian: it's in main :P
[05:58] <bddebian> Eeks.  I'll take that off.. :-)
[05:58] <ajmitch> and update the bugreport
[05:58] <ajmitch> you could ask mdz for a freeze exception
[06:01] <bddebian> I have got to remember that there are main bugs on here too... :-(
[06:01] <jsgotangco> hmmm
[06:01] <jsgotangco> muine doesn't use the esc key anymore?
[06:05] <ajmitch> bddebian: yeah, it's annoying
[06:06] <ajmitch> I should have left a comment about it being in main when I originally saw the bug
[06:06] <bddebian> It does build clean though. ;-P
[06:07] <ajmitch> sure
[06:07] <ajmitch> but it has a number of reverse depends
[06:07] <ajmitch> you'd need to closely check for regressions
[06:07] <ajmitch> changed symbols, etc
[06:07] <bddebian> I'd need to?  I'm not in main.. ;-)
[06:07] <ajmitch> if you were going to take responsibility for it
[06:08] <ajmitch> bbiab
[06:12] <jtan325> hi, so i finally got my first package into debian (i think), and now i'd like to request a MOTU to request a sync. how do i do this?
[06:12] <jtan325> the package name is "conky"
[06:13] <bddebian> Shiite, I'd better check on lirc too then
[06:13] <bddebian> jtan325: You can put in on the UniverseCandidates wiki page.
[06:15] <LaserJock> conky, cool
[06:16] <jtan325> ok i'll do that. i just remember siretart/ajmitch saying something else
[06:16] <jtan325> but i should talk to them after conky is actually in debian and out of NEW queue
[06:19] <ajmitch> jtan325: yeah, you can't request a sync until it's cleared NEW in debian
[06:21] <jtan325> ok. i think it's cleared NEW.... http://packages.qa.debian.org/c/conky.html
[06:21] <jtan325> yes/no? sorry i am still pretty new to all of this
[06:22] <ajmitch> you got the ACCEPTED email?
[06:23] <ajmitch> right, it's not on the NEW queue
[06:23] <ajmitch> so we can sync it
[06:23] <jsgotangco> aye
[06:23] <jtan325> "conky_1.3.1-1_i386.changes ACCEPTED"
[06:23] <jtan325> is the header of one of the emails
[06:23] <ajmitch> bddebian: add it to your list, request sync of conky from incoming
[06:24] <jtan325> i don't know why http://packages.debian.org/unstable/utils/conky doesn't have 1.3.1-1
[06:24] <jtan325> but if possible, could you guys please sync 1.3.1-1, and not 1.3.0-1
[06:24] <ajmitch> although the incoming queue might be processed before elmo syncs
[06:24] <ajmitch> jtan325: we will, don't worry
[06:24] <bddebian> ajmitch: On what grounds? ;-P
[06:24] <Lathiat> bddebian: cus we said so!
[06:24] <jtan325> ok cool. thanks
[06:25] <jtan325> is that all i do?
[06:25] <ajmitch> bddebian: because it's a NEW package that we have already approved, so jump to it
[06:25] <bddebian> ajmitch: OK
[06:26] <jtan325> any idea when http://packages.debian.org/unstable/utils/conky will be updated to 1.3.1-1?
[06:26] <Lathiat> jtan325: one would assume the site stuff is updated a couple times a day or something
[06:27] <ajmitch> jtan325: when it's processed
[06:27] <ajmitch> debian is slower than ubuntu in processing packages
[06:27] <bddebian> Jesus, gclcvs is taking FOREVER to build.. :-(
[06:27] <jtan325> ok, cool
[06:28] <jtan325> so will conky show up on UniverseCandidates?
[06:28] <jtan325> or is there a page that tracks its progress?
[06:28] <jtan325> i don't really care, but it'd be nice to know if such things existed
[06:29] <ajmitch> UniverseCandidates is a wiki page
[06:29] <ajmitch> there's no progress tracking of syncs
[06:29] <ajmitch> because we email someone
[06:31] <jtan325> sounds good. thanks all
[06:31] <bddebian> libffi2... wtf, am I on crack??
[06:32] <ajmitch> bddebian: sorry?
[06:32] <ajmitch> bddebian: the answer to that question is fairly obvious, btw ;)
[06:37] <bddebian> Thx man, I appreciate it.. :-)
[06:37] <bddebian> Wow, I am on crack.. Yeesh
[06:38] <bddebian> And now I'm going to bed.  Later gang
[06:57] <ajmitch> meh, XP is running like a dead pig with its legs cut off
[06:59] <[Chameleon] > so, better than normal?
[07:00] <ajmitch> I wish
[07:10] <seth_k> are they doing @ubuntu.com addresses for members yet?
[07:11] <Lathiat> seth_k: yeh
[07:12] <seth_k> Lathiat, procedure?
[07:12] <Lathiat> have to be approved as a member on launchpad
[07:12] <ajmitch> seth_k: no procedure, just have a signed CoC on launchpad
[07:12] <ajmitch> yeah, and possibly be approved as member :)
[07:12] <seth_k> ajmitch, but how do I request one then?
[07:13] <seth_k> I've got a signed CoC and have been approved
[07:13] <Lathiat> seth_k: it happens automagically
[07:13] <ajmitch> you don't
[07:13] <Lathiat> seth_k: and gets forwarded to yoru launchpad launchpad
[07:13] <ajmitch> to your preferred email address on launchpad, that is ;)
[07:14] <seth_k> so I should automagically have one if I'm approved in Launchpad? (which I am not, for some reason... I'll e-mail mako on it)
[07:14] <seth_k> word
[07:14] <seth_k> thanks
[07:15] <ajmitch> your email address is your launchpad id @ ubuntu.com
[07:43] <lamont> btw - I gave everything back around 02:50 data-center time (UK)
[07:44] <ajmitch> thanks
[08:29] <robitaille> Anyone else has problem with Beagle in Breezy.  Or am I the only one having problem with it?  (bug #2222 in malone)
[08:34] <ajmitch> robitaille: the bug has ben forwarded on to tseng, but I haven't seen that problem yet
[08:35] <robitaille> ajmitch,  he can't reproduce it
[08:35] <ajmitch> great
[08:36] <robitaille> strange since that laptop was a reinstall from a few days ago.  The install should be pretty standard and clean
[08:36] <robitaille> ajmitch,  do you still need a bug day announcement?
[08:37] <ajmitch> yes
[08:37] <ajmitch> haven't had time to finish writing it up, it needs sent out ASAP :)
[08:37] <robitaille> do you want serious, or slightly silly?
[08:37] <ajmitch> dholbach was going to help but real work cut in :)
[08:37] <ajmitch> slightly silly is fine
[08:38] <ajmitch> we don't take ourselves seriously here
[08:39] <robitaille> ok;  I had a somewhat weird idea earlier tonight while watching TV.   give me a few minutes.  Not sure yet how good or bad it will be
[08:39] <ajmitch> ok
[08:40] <ajmitch> darcs is almost as slow to grab a checkout as bzr is :)
[08:41] <ajmitch> although bzr should see some rapid improvements in that area in the next week or 3, I'd say
[08:52] <robitaille> ajmitch,  a first draft of the bug day announcement is done
[08:53] <ajmitch> great! thanks
[08:53] <robitaille> a bit short still...
[08:54] <ajmitch> oh no, that is great!
[08:54] <ajmitch> I'm impressed :)
[11:39] <\sh> moins
[11:49] <pef> hi
[11:49] <mbreit> moin \sh, hi pef ;)
[11:51] <\sh> moins pef mbreit :)
[11:52] <pef> hello mbreit \sh  :)
[11:52] <pef> sorry for being less present here, but I have to find a job
[11:53] <\sh> pef: that has always high prio
[11:53] <pef> yes, and in France, not very much opportunities in computer sciences
[12:10] <StrikeForce> quick question
[12:10] <StrikeForce> does a man page need to be created if its only gui?
[12:11] <\sh> StrikeForce: for any app there must be a man page
[12:11] <StrikeForce> ahh k :(
[12:12] <ajmitch> hi \sh
[12:12] <\sh> morning ajmitch  :)
[12:13] <StrikeForce> evening ajmitch  and morning \sh :)
[12:14] <StrikeForce> is archive.ubuntu.com down?
[12:16] <\sh> no
[12:16] <StrikeForce> nm my resolv in my breezy chroot was wrong :(
[12:44] <StrikeForce> if the package doesn't come with a package.desktop file or a manpage do I place them inside the debian directory and install them from there?
[12:45] <\sh> yes
[12:45] <StrikeForce> kk sweet no worries
[01:39] <onkarshinde> How can I propose any software for universe?
[02:11] <\sh> mbreit: cc meeting...u r not a ubuntu member?
[02:12] <mbreit> \sh: i am a member
[02:12] <mbreit> i even got my upload rights ;)
[02:12] <\sh> mbreit: oh...why u are onthe agenda
[02:12] <Nafallo> hehe, the ultimate argument ;-)
[02:13] <mbreit> \sh: i am on the agenda???
[02:14] <sivang> \sh: when is CC ?
[02:14] <sivang> (meeting)
[02:15] <\sh> sivang: now
[02:16] <mbreit> \sh: i can't find myself on the agenda, so what do you mean?
[02:17] <\sh> mbreit: the last entries...but it's ok...it only say that you're member and should go to launchpad blabla
[02:17] <mbreit> i know that..
[02:21] <ajmitch> ooh, CC meeting that I'm missing
[02:22] <slomo> why is it this early today? i'm almost still asleep ;)
[02:22] <ajmitch> they rotate the meeting times
[02:25] <slomo> ajmitch: i read you're also doing the haskell stuff? (in #debian-mono)
[02:26] <ajmitch> slomo: ah, 'doing' would be a loose term
[02:26] <ajmitch> 'screaming at' would be closer
[02:26] <ajmitch> I'm sure that a kitten dies every time I build this package
[02:27] <slomo> ajmitch: lol ok :) also got problems with libghc6-cabal-dev? ;)
[02:27] <ajmitch> that's the one I'm beating on
[02:27] <ajmitch> it's one that works when I run debuild
[02:27] <slomo> ok forget it
[02:27] <ajmitch> but not if I put it through pbuilder
[02:27] <slomo> libghc6-cabal-dev is obsolete
[02:27] <ajmitch> I'm using the latest code out of darcs, btw
[02:27] <slomo> ghc6 replaces it
[02:27] <ajmitch> still actively hacked on
[02:28] <slomo> it is included with ghc6
[02:28] <ajmitch> well that's good to know :P
[02:28] <slomo> look at the provides of ghc6 ;P
[02:28] <ajmitch> who do I apply to for reimbursement of those hours of my life?
[02:28] <\sh> ah..what about ghc6 ? is it ready to use?
[02:28] <ajmitch> \sh: yes
[02:28] <ajmitch> darcs is installable again
[02:28] <slomo> \sh: it is... but currently we have a completely broken cabal package which wants to be installed everytime i want to build something with haskell
[02:29] <\sh> wow...so we can take the rest from the unmet deps list
[02:29] <slomo> elmo has to delete it :P
[02:29] <ajmitch> slomo: not only that
[02:29] <ajmitch> it's also screwing up the buildd chroots
[02:29] <slomo> cabal?
[02:29] <ajmitch> yes
[02:29] <slomo> that's why i say it has to be deleted :P
[02:29] <ajmitch> which is why infinity asked me to look at it
[02:30] <slomo> it gets pulled in by haskell-devscripts (or similar) currently with every haskell package
[02:30] <slomo> and fails in postinst
[02:30] <slomo> but haskell-devscripts could also use ghc6 instead of cabal
[02:30] <slomo> so we have another option... just remove the cabal depend from haskell-devscripts...
[02:31] <ajmitch> slomo: the postinst issue is what I was trying to fox - now that I know there's no reason, I'll gladly rm -rf the lot ;)
[02:31] <ajmitch> s/fox/fix/
[02:31] <slomo> or we could depend cabal on ghc6 (<< 6.4)
[02:32] <ajmitch> that's what it had
[02:32] <ajmitch> before you uploaded it recently, iirc
[02:32] <slomo> yes... my fault ;) but inow mho it just has to be deleted :P
[02:32] <slomo> argh
[02:32] <slomo> can't type anymore ;)
[02:33] <slomo> do you want to "fix" cabal by making it uninstallable again? :P
[02:33] <ajmitch> hehe
[02:33] <ajmitch> I don't think that'll help the situation
[02:33] <ajmitch> I think morgue it
[02:33] <ajmitch> since we don't have a ghc6 binary << 6.4
[02:34] <slomo> it will help until elmo answers... i told him 24 hours ago in irc and sent him a mail 16 hours ago
[02:35] <ajmitch> ok
[02:37] <slomo> and when you want to take some haskell stuff... it's currently all behind my name on the unmet deps page... but you can take some of the stuff :) but haskelldb, haskell-hsql and haskell-http are finished... i just waited for elmo to remove this crap
[02:37] <slomo> (this crap == cabal)
[02:37] <ajmitch> I don't want to take it from you... I'll gladly let you have the fame & glory of haskell ;)
[02:38] <\sh> Nafallo: ping
[02:38] <Nafallo> \sh: ping
[02:38] <Nafallo> s/i/o/
[02:38] <ajmitch> Nafallo: #ubuntu-meeting, now
[02:38] <\sh> Nafallo: u r on :)
[02:38] <ogra> Nafallo, mako calls for you in -meeting
[02:38] <slomo> ajmitch: but you can :P that was just to get all the haskell stuff together ;)
[02:39] <slomo> i wonder what we will do when elmo is on vacation... nothing will work anymore ;)
[02:40] <ajmitch> he's not allowed to take vacations, I'm sure ;)
[02:40] <slomo> ah elmo is there... do you want to poke him again for cabal?
[02:41] <ogra> ajmitch, he has Znarl now...
[02:41] <ajmitch> ogra: uh?
[02:42] <ogra> Znarl is a new DC admin, he's just learning all the stuff... dunno if he will also take archive responsibilitys though
[02:42] <ajmitch> ah cool
[02:42] <ajmitch> real name?
[02:42] <ogra> no idea
[02:42] <ajmitch> heh
[02:42] <ogra> Karl Tilbury
[02:42] <ajmitch> typical, that you don't even know the names of the others in the project ;)
[02:42] <ajmitch> ok
[02:43] <ogra> i know the nicks ;)
[02:43] <ajmitch> right, so he's UK based
[02:43] <ajmitch> makes sense
[02:44] <ogra> yup
[02:45] <ajmitch> I'd say it'd take someone with deep knowledge of dak & all the bits to do the archive work
[02:47] <ogra> he also needs 50% lawyer and be *very* familiar with packaging to check NEW etc
[02:47] <ajmitch> yeah
[02:47] <ajmitch> so that's a very small group of people
[02:50] <ajmitch> ogra:  http://www.snorp.net/daap-mirror.png
[02:50] <ajmitch> ugh
[02:50] <tseng> haha
[02:50] <ajmitch> wrong URL
[02:50] <tseng> i was just looking at that
[02:50] <slomo> ajmitch: but daap is also nice ;)
[02:50] <ajmitch> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay was what I wanted :)
[02:50] <ajmitch> slomo: sure  ;)
[02:51] <ajmitch> robitaille was great & wrote up that (2nd) announcement for us
[02:51] <ogra> ajmitch, add a link to HelpingWithBugs ?
[02:51] <ajmitch> ogra: sure, this is what's going to go out in email in a few minutes
[02:52] <ogra> looks good :)
[02:52] <ajmitch> ok :)
[02:52] <ajmitch> I'll put in a link to that wiki page in the email, with resources linked from there
[02:53] <ajmitch> ouch, pitti's cdrtool upload :)
[02:54] <ajmitch> cdrtools build system is such crack
[02:57] <slomo> ajmitch: sure... as everything by schily ;)
[02:57] <ajmitch> heh
[03:20] <\sh> bah....it's getting hot again...here
[04:01] <bddebian> Heya gang
[04:02] <sivang> yo bddebian
[04:02] <bddebian> Hello sivang
[04:21] <ajmitch> something seriously screwy with my ISP
[04:21] <ajmitch> since the only way i could reconnect to freenode was via the ipv6 tunnel :)
[04:26] <ajmitch> hi koke
[04:27] <bddebian> ajmitchie!!!
[04:27] <ajmitch> hello
[04:27] <bddebian> :'-(
[04:27] <ajmitch> I suspect they may have had a router failure or one of the international links gone haywire
[04:28] <ajmitch> since a *lot* of stuff seems broken
[04:28] <ajmitch> hence the ipv6 tunnel to get on here
[04:29] <StrikeForce> lol ajmitch are you's using Telstra?
[04:29] <ajmitch> StrikeForce: uh no
[04:29] <ajmitch> hey jsgotangco
[04:30] <jsgotangco> morning to you ajmitch :)
[04:30] <ajmitch> at least most dns resolving seems broken at the moment, can't ping a lot of stuff either :)
[04:31] <StrikeForce> ajmitch, We've had that issue on and off for the last few weeks.  I think its the international links though that have been causing it for us.
[04:31] <ajmitch> StrikeForce: that's no surprise
[04:31] <ajmitch> NZ is even more isolated for physical links
[04:31] <StrikeForce> yeah
[04:31] <StrikeForce> It was on whirlpool where they've found one router in the usa thats causing it for iinet for instance
[04:32] <StrikeForce> yet cause we are so small they won't do anything about it :(
[04:32] <StrikeForce> anyways gnight all
[04:32] <bddebian> Later StrikeForce
[04:34] <ajmitch> night StrikeForce
[04:36] <bddebian> ajmitch: d00d
[04:38] <ajmitch> yes?
[04:39] <bddebian> ajmitch: Can't send that bug day announcement.. :-(   :-)
[04:39] <ajmitch> ok..
[04:40] <ajmitch> and that required a d00d comment? :)
[04:40] <bddebian> ajmitch: Yes.  I just can't shut up. :-)
[04:41] <bddebian> Heh
[04:46] <bddebian> Heya tseng
[04:46] <tseng> hi
[04:47] <ajmitch> good day tseng
[04:47] <tseng> ajmitch: are you a mysql guy?
[04:47] <ajmitch> tseng: I use it
[04:48] <tseng> ah never mind
[04:48] <tseng> mysql_insert_id is what i need
[04:48] <ajmitch> ok
[04:48] <tseng> mysql_insert_id -- Get the ID generated from the previous INSERT operation
[04:48] <ajmitch> been awhile since I used that
[04:49] <bddebian> Sounds like a unique transaction number of the previous insert?
[04:49] <ajmitch> bddebian: dude, when the gcc-snapshot bug was reported, we didn't have that version synced with debian :P
[04:49] <bddebian> ajmitch: That's why I asked
[04:50] <ajmitch> bddebian: "Is this not new enough?" sounds a little rude..
[04:50] <ajmitch> it was only synced last week
[04:50] <marcin_ant> hi all
[04:50] <tseng> bddebian: yes.
[04:50] <ajmitch> but I forgot to close the bug
[04:50] <marcin_ant> I got a problem when trying to create package....
[04:51] <bddebian> ajmitch: Well I didn't mean it that way, I was just asking for clarification.
[04:51] <ajmitch> I know
[04:51] <ajmitch> but it can be read in other ways
[04:51] <marcin_ant> the problem is that Makefiles in software I want to package are designed in this way that they crawl through some directories and compiles all libraries recursively
[04:51] <marcin_ant> my problem is that I don't want to recompile all files in these directories - only selected
[04:52] <bddebian> ajmitch: Well then close it and increase your karma.. ;-P
[04:52] <marcin_ant> so I added few lines of bash to my rules file
[04:52] <ajmitch> bddebian: karma isn't everything
[04:52] <bddebian> :-)
[04:53] <marcin_ant> and I wanted to move all libraries to some temporary directory - then recreate original directory and copy back only files I really need and want to recompile
[04:53] <marcin_ant> it works but I got a problem with this solution
[04:54] <marcin_ant> when I'm trying to rebuild this package then I get 'dpkg-source: unrepresentable changes to source
[04:54] <marcin_ant> ' error message
[04:54] <marcin_ant> could someone help me with this and tell how to avoid this problem?
[04:58] <marcin_ant> any ideas?
[05:02] <ajmitch> you're changing binary files, which diff doesn't like
[05:02] <ajmitch> why do you need to do such contortions?
[05:04] <marcin_ant> ajmitch, beacuse I got two solutions
[05:04] <marcin_ant> ajmitch, I can patch Makefiles to work 'my way'
[05:05] <marcin_ant> ajmitch, or use existing Makefiles but then I just need to reduce files it wants to compile
[05:05] <ajmitch> why don't you want to compile them all?
[05:05] <marcin_ant> ajmitch, because it takes a lot of time and these files are not needed at all
[05:06] <ajmitch> hm
[05:06] <marcin_ant> ajmitch, just some lazy guy wrote simple 'recursive' scripts that compile everyting - and while it's working - it's not logical at all
[05:08] <ajmitch> well you can spend even more time trying to unbreak the upstream build system if you want
[05:09] <bddebian> Gnight ajmitch
[05:10] <marcin_ant> ajmitch, night
[05:15] <bddebian> Heya ivoks
[05:15] <ivoks> hey all
[05:15] <ivoks> bddebian: get some sleep man :)
[05:15] <bddebian> Heh
[06:19] <\sh> re
[06:19] <bddebian> wb \sh
[06:27] <\sh> bddebian: pyorbit reoccurs because of missing python2.2 and it has one package python2.2-bla
[06:27] <\sh> bddebian: I'll remove pyorbit from "NOBDOY" ,-)
[06:28] <bddebian> \sh: Sweet, thanks
[06:29] <\sh> bddebian: gfccore is also fixed uploaded and compiled
[06:29] <\sh> bddebian: moved it to your DONE section
[06:30] <bddebian> \sh: Ah, cool, thx
[06:31] <bddebian> You ROCK as always :-)
[06:31] <pkern> Could you please either remove net6, obby and their corresponding binary packages before the release or sync the newer version from Debian unstable? The current versions are not used by any program and might suggest that it's possible to compile the sole application which uses these libraries against them.
[06:38] <bddebian> pkern: I'll take a look at them
[06:38] <pkern> bddebian: Thanks.
[06:39] <\sh> bddebian will be our elmo2 ,-)
[06:41] <ivoks> bye all
[06:41] <bddebian> Later ivo
[06:41] <bddebian> ks
[06:41] <bddebian> \sh: I think elmo is going to want to kill me before this is all over :-)
[06:42] <\sh> bddebian: ah come on...go to UBZ and drink a beer with him ;)
[06:46] <bddebian> \sh: I want to
[06:46] <bddebian> OK net6 builds fine.
[06:53] <pkern> bddebian: :D
[06:56] <bddebian> pkern: OK, I've asked elmo to sync both
[06:56] <pkern> bddebian: Thanks a lot.
[06:57] <\sh> hmm..why is plucker not in the archives (binary i mean)
[06:57] <bddebian> \sh: I've been noticing a few binaries that aren't there but we have source for.  I wonder if we could run a script to see what we have source for but don't have all the corresponding binaries??
[06:59] <\sh> bddebian: lemme check whats up with this..and then I will ping infinity or lamont to check
[07:03] <bddebian> wb seth_k, now get to work. ;-P
[07:04] <seth_k> class soon
[07:04] <seth_k> so nurr
[07:04] <\sh> bddebian: normal behaviour when python2.3 is needed but 2.4 is installed ,-) and debian/rules not touched
[07:04] <\sh> bddebian: plucker that is
[07:04] <bddebian> Oh aye
[07:04] <\sh> fixing
[07:10] <\sh> Mithrandir: can u please apt-get install debmake glade-2 bison and apt-get build-dep ace includeing gcc/g++ 3.4? in ravel breezy chroot? thx :)
[07:12] <Mithrandir> \sh: done, except gcc-3.4/g++-3.4, as they are uninstallable
[07:13] <\sh> Mithrandir: why? I need them *gnarf*
[07:14] <Yagisan> G'day guys, a bit off topic, but can anyone point me in the direction of a howto to rebuild linux-restricted-modules for a custom kernel ?
[07:15] <Mithrandir> Package libc6-dev-i386 is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[07:15] <\sh> uh
[07:16] <\sh> not nice
[07:16] <\sh> but then ace has to wait
[07:19] <\sh> but gtk-gnutella is nice with a sync from debian
[07:25] <bddebian> Is anyone else missing openmosix also?
[07:26] <\sh> bddebian: why?
[07:26] <\sh> ok...one more cigarette...then shower and going to buy some drinks
[07:26] <bddebian> I'm trying to build openmosix view but it depends openmosix and the binary isn't there
[07:27] <\sh> bddebian: then the source was ftbfsing
[07:27] <bddebian> Joy
[07:27] <\sh> bddebian: rebuild openmosix
[07:27] <Nafallo> yay! Nafallo the usplash-slayer :-P.
[07:27] <bddebian> Heh
[07:28] <bddebian> Egads, openmosix includes a kernel patch.  Fsck that. :-)
[07:28] <\sh> uh..new gcc-3.4/g++-3.4
[07:29] <Yagisan> I used to use openmosix on 2.4.x, but since they haven released a 2.6 patch, I stopped using it
[07:39] <doko> Mithrandir: what's uninstallable with gcc-3.4/g++-3.4?
[07:50] <\sh> doko: 19:15 < Mithrandir> Package libc6-dev-i386 is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[07:50] <\sh> doko: on amd64 that is
[07:51] <bddebian> Heya lamont
[07:53] <doko> yes, but that's libc6-dev-i386 | ia32-libs
[08:24] <bddebian> WTF is xcontrib?
[08:41] <ivoks> hi
[08:41] <\sh> re ivoks
[08:41] <ivoks> \sh: wassup?
[08:42] <\sh> ivoks: working :) as always
[08:43] <ivoks> nice :)
[08:44] <ivoks> oh, just few more packages for GLU transition..
[08:44] <ivoks> let's finish taht
[08:44] <ivoks> that
[08:44] <bddebian> ivoks: Which ones?
[08:44] <ivoks> i see problems with poker3d
[08:45] <bddebian> poker3d is just plain fsck'd :-)
[08:45] <ivoks> we will see...
[08:45] <ivoks> fgfs was too, remember? :)
[08:46] <bddebian> fgfs?
[08:46] <ivoks> flightgear
[08:47] <ivoks> 27MB for poker3d?!
[08:47] <ivoks> oh...
[08:48] <bddebian> ivoks: Aye :-)
[08:48] <bddebian> ivoks: Oh, I thought you fixed flightgear already.. ;-)
[08:50] <ivoks> i did
[08:51] <ivoks> ubuntu is really nice operating system
[08:52] <bddebian> What's the best way to find out if a package has been replaced/supersceded?
[08:53] <ivoks> ;-\
[08:54] <ivoks> there, there...
[08:54] <ivoks> poker3d has broken deps
[08:54] <ivoks> now what...
[08:55] <ivoks> let's try with python2.3 :)
[08:55] <\sh> what's with 2.4?
[08:55] <ivoks> everything is fine
[08:55] <ivoks> my mistake
[08:57] <ivoks> we should search for sources that build-dep on libxml2-python2.4
[08:57] <ivoks> and replace it with python2.4-libxml2
[08:57] <ivoks> or create metapackage
[08:58] <bddebian> :-)
[09:01] <\sh> wtf is jnethack?
[09:01] <bddebian> I was wondering that too.  Maybe a Java Nethack?
[09:01] <Lathiat> nethack in japanese
[09:01] <bddebian> Ahh
[09:02] <ivoks> :>
[09:03] <ivoks> ah...
[09:03] <ivoks> debian droper poker3d
[09:03] <ivoks> droped
[09:03] <ivoks> acctually, they don't have it in any of stable/testing/unstable
[09:04] <bddebian> Nice
[09:04] <ivoks> where did that package come from?
[09:05] <ivoks> http://download.gna.org/underware/debian/unstable/
[09:05] <ivoks> here?!
[09:05] <Nafallo> probably apt-get.org?
[09:05] <ivoks> but, it's FTBS on breezy
[09:05] <ivoks> and this is not cause of GLU transition
[09:06] <ivoks> this is problem with libGL
[09:06] <ivoks> gl.h doesn't have function it needs
[09:06] <ivoks> or it's configure script is broken
[09:07] <ivoks> what's that tool that lists functions in .h?
[09:08] <bddebian> You can try objdump -T /usr/lib/libGL |grep <function>
[09:08] <bddebian> s/libGL/libGL.so
[09:08] <\sh> listen listen
[09:08] <\sh> bddebian knows what he's doing ;)
[09:09] <ivoks> hm...
[09:09] <bddebian> I do?
[09:09] <\sh> sure u do
[09:12] <ivoks> ah...
[09:12] <ivoks> morgue this app
[09:12] <bddebian> poker3d?
[09:12] <ivoks> one look at their devel list gives you all you need :)
[09:12] <ivoks> yes
[09:13] <ivoks> new openscenegraph brakes it
[09:13] <bddebian> breaks ;-)
[09:13] <ivoks> But there are aslo trivial errors in the source of underware itself.
[09:13] <ivoks> It fixed what i could fix, i commited these correction directly in the
[09:13] <ivoks> CVS since I dont think it might break anything.
[09:14] <ivoks> i give up...
[09:27] <ivoks> are translations on rosetta being forwared to upstream?
[09:32] <\sh> no...they can download
[09:32] <\sh> the .po files
[09:32] <\sh> if they want
[09:33] <ivoks> but they don't know about launchpad
[09:33] <ivoks> maybe they should get some notification, at least...
[09:35] <\sh> ivoks: who?
[09:35] <ivoks> upstream authors
[09:36] <ivoks> time for bed...
[09:36] <bddebian> Gnight ivoks
[09:36] <ivoks> getting up at 3AM :/
[09:36] <ivoks> night night
[09:40] <\sh> if anyone wants to help: http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=14967
[09:41] <bddebian> \sh: Bah, looks like main stuff to me.. ;-)
[09:41] <\sh> bddebian: yes...but it's important
[09:42] <\sh> bddebian: it's a really strange thing...and I need some "confirmation"...
[09:42] <\sh> ok..jnethack fixed I think
[09:48] <ogra> \sh, what was the bug you filed about the disappearing menus when you were here ? i think thats a duplicate of 14967
[09:48] <\sh> ogra: yes...:)
[09:49] <\sh> ogra: mdz filed it already as duplicate
[09:49] <ogra> do you still remember the bug # ? i have forgotten it..
[09:49] <ogra> oh, ok
[09:49] <ogra> i didnt see it..
[09:49] <\sh> 15239
[09:49] <\sh> ah it wasn't mdz it was seb128
[09:50] <ogra> ah... yes :)
[09:50] <\sh> ogra: I debugged today a bit..and strange thing is, seb128 doesn't see this issue...but I and also in a different way with gamin 0.1.6
[09:51] <\sh> ogra: u can have a look in the attachments I made
[09:51] <ogra> i even see it on a fresh install, as well as on my crappy laptop install
[09:51] <ogra> and lots of edubuntu testers reported it
[09:52] <\sh> I know...
[10:24] <\sh> ogra: u have a clue where to look into this inotify crap?
[10:24] <ogra> nope, i'm staring at the logs since we last spoke...
[10:25] <\sh> ogra: ok...
[10:27] <\sh> hmm...now I'm catching up with all my cxx trans libs ;)
[10:27] <bddebian> Heh
[10:27] <ogra> i'm wondering why the KDE stuff reappears after a panel restart...
[10:28] <\sh> ogra: because all the inits are requested again
[10:28] <\sh> ogra: and kde/* is a special patch in gnome-panel
[10:29] <\sh> ogra: but all debian/* menus are disappearing as well...so it's something more destroyable
[10:30] <ogra> yes :(
[10:30] <\sh> but...
[10:30] <\sh>   <LegacyDir>/etc/X11/applnk</LegacyDir>
[10:30] <\sh>   <LegacyDir>/usr/share/gnome/apps</LegacyDir>
[10:30] <\sh>   <LegacyDir>/usr/share/control-center-2.0/capplets</LegacyDir>
[10:31] <\sh> in /etc/xdg/menus/applications.menu
[10:33] <ogra> hmm...
[10:33] <\sh> I wonder why the debian menu is included by applications.menu
[10:33] <\sh> and not the kde-applications.menu
[10:33] <bddebian> Gotta run home gang, catch you all in a few
[10:33] <\sh> cu later bddebian
[10:35] <Lathiat> doesn't menu-xdg make the debian menus
[10:35] <Lathiat> and i thought kde was excluded specifically
[10:36] <\sh> Lathiat: there is a kde menu patch inside gnome-panel...but anyways..kde menus and debian menus are disappearing from time to time...
[10:37] <Lathiat> ah
[10:40] <\sh> damn..why are the apps which I uploaded today in the unmet deps list again..
[10:40] <\sh> there are no unmet deps anymore for them
[10:42] <shawarma> I've been wondering: Are the Debian-folks doing all the CXX transition stuff too and also adding the same suffixes? If not, what do we do when we're going to sync with sid again?
[10:43] <ogra> shawarma, they have to, they switch to gcc4 too
[10:44] <shawarma> ogra: Ok, cool.. So most of the changes we've made will go "upstream" too?
[10:44] <ogra> yup
[10:53] <\sh> patching configure.ac *gnarf*
[10:53] <Nafallo> \sh: gnarf? evil.gnarf.org :-)
[10:55] <\sh> gnarf == byting my teeth into the desk
[10:55] <Nafallo> \sh: oh
[10:56] <\sh> bddebian wrote on the unmet deps: need python2.4 patch..and I grabbed it...and now I have the pain
[10:57] <\sh> ogra: send me some hardcore tekkno now ,-)
[10:57] <\sh> good hardcore tekkno ;)
[10:57] <ogra> heh
[10:58] <\sh> I hope cdbs just dances the auto* dance...when it recognizes that configure.ac is updated
[10:59] <thierry> I just aded a patch to ubuntu bug 14744. Simple and should apply on breezy so anyone to apply it?
[11:00] <doko> shawarma: they will only go "upstream", if you submit a bug report in the Debian BTS ;-P
[11:00] <\sh> thierry: it's main...
[11:00] <\sh> doko: lazy thing ,->
[11:01] <shawarma> doko: I guess.
[11:06] <thierry> \sh : what do you mean by it's main?
[11:07] <\sh> thierry: it's in the official supported tree...so #ubuntu-devel...and someone who is/was responsible for xsane will have a look
[11:07] <herzi> jbailey: ping
[11:07] <thierry> \sh : k so I ask in #ubuntu-devel?
[11:08] <\sh> thierry: yep
[11:17] <ajmitch> morning
[11:18] <Lathiat> moin ajmitch
[11:18] <Lathiat> on this lovely dark and javary morning
[11:18] <ajmitch> Lathiat: you're up late ;)
[11:18] <\sh> re ajmitch
[11:18] <Lathiat> ajmitch: surprise!
[11:18] <ajmitch> Lathiat: what? you're still doing uni? :)
[11:18] <Lathiat> just started actually ;p
[11:18] <\sh> two times a day I can see ajmitch ... in the morning and during the night ;)
[11:18] <Lathiat> yeh me too
[11:19] <Lathiat> cus i sleep during the day
[11:19] <Lathiat> ;)
[11:19] <ajmitch> \sh: well we'll try & meet up in the same timezone then, shall we?
[11:19] <Lathiat> hehe
[11:20] <\sh> ajmitch: I have a room left...u can move to germany ;) and before that montreal ;)
[11:20] <ajmitch> hehe
[11:21] <\sh> did I mention today: I hate cdbs
[11:21] <ajmitch> probably just montreal then
[11:21] <\sh> ajmitch: me neither ;)
[11:21] <ajmitch> haha
[11:21] <ogra> ajmitch, nobody does
[11:22] <ajmitch> ogra: I'm sure even what you speak is better than me :)
[11:23] <ajmitch> did anyone send out the bug day announcement?
[11:24] <jbailey> herzi: pong
[11:25] <ajmitch> jeff!
[11:25] <jbailey> Andrew!
[11:25] <jbailey> How's my favourite stalker today?
[11:25] <ajmitch> jbailey: I'm more seriously thinking about stalking you in montreal now
[11:25] <jbailey> Ooo!
[11:26] <jbailey> Just for a couple weeks, or are you moving here?
[11:26] <ajmitch> couple of weeks
[11:26] <ajmitch> I don't think I'd move there just yet :)
[11:26] <herzi> jbailey: did you follow https://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1287758&group_id=53614&atid=470969 ?
[11:26] <herzi> this is the clean version of what we had before
[11:26] <herzi> it's also upstream now (read: HEAD)
[11:27] <\sh> ajmitch: where is it? i can send it out
[11:27] <ajmitch> \sh: it's ok now
[11:27] <ajmitch> I'll send out asap
[11:28] <jbailey> herzi: Cool, I have the patch here to commit it, and just haven't had time yet.
[11:28] <jbailey> ajmitch: Kind of you to look for it. ;)
[11:29] <ajmitch> jbailey: yeah, spotted on planet.gnome.org :)
[11:29] <ajmitch> http://xana.scru.org/ranticore/stalkeretiquette.html
[11:29] <ajmitch> sorry, planet.debian.org
[11:29] <ajmitch> http://linux.org.ph/events/linuxworld2005
[11:30] <ajmitch> yay, jsgotangco is speaking on friday
[11:30] <jbailey> ajmitch: Right, although the excuse could be timezone miscalculuation.
[11:30] <jbailey> speaking where/
[11:31] <ajmitch> linuxworld phillipines
[11:32] <jbailey> Cool.
[11:39] <\sh> grmpf
[11:39] <slomo> *yawn*
[11:40] <slomo> ajmitch: did elmo finally delete this cabal stuff?
[11:40] <ajmitch> dunno
[11:41] <slomo> when he didn't i refuse to do the haskell stuff :P
[11:41] <ajmitch> hehe
[11:42] <slomo> ok, he didn't... not my problem :P something else to fix?
[11:43] <ajmitch> the universe?
[11:45] <tseng> hi
[11:46] <Nafallo> morning tseng :-)
[11:46] <Nafallo> what happened to muine inotify? seems to be non-working?
[11:46] <slomo> tseng: why aren't you in -mono anymore? but Nafallo said me to ask you about the inotify support in muine ;)
[11:46] <tseng> i removed it
[11:46] <tseng> due to being non-working
[11:47] <tseng> i have a parch with a ton of other stuffin it
[11:47] <tseng> and against CVS
[11:47] <tseng> it was a mjor pain to backport the last one
[11:47] <tseng> after breezyi think i will make a cvs snapshot
[11:48] <Nafallo> does that patch need testing on amd64? ;-)
[11:54] <\sh> *grmpf*
[11:54] <\sh> I made a faupas now
[11:55] <\sh> I put all my patches inside the diff.gz...
[11:55] <\sh> but the other guy did it too...so who cares
[11:57] <\sh> and now it's ftbfsing heavily