[12:50] <Riddell> golly
[12:50] <Riddell> who was it that wanted to make 3.5 packages?
[12:59] <Riddell> Verwilst
[09:03] <pef> hello
[11:18] <Riddell> hello pef 
[11:18] <Riddell> hello froud 
[11:19] <pef> Riddell: hello :)
[11:47] <froud> Riddell: HI
[01:25] <Riddell> dapper drake
[01:25] <Riddell> so there you go :)
[01:41] <tvo> o_O KubuntuBreezyPLusOneGoals-->KubuntuDapperGoals:)
[02:02] <tvo> i could try but i doubt i'm enough experienced packager;) and i don't have a compilefarm for quick testing:(
[02:02] <tvo> wasn't verwilst already doing this?
[02:03] <Riddell> havn't seen verwilst for a few days
[02:03] <Riddell> and the only e-mail address I can find for him is bouncing
[02:11] <Riddell> what changes have there been to katapult since the version that's currently in kubuntu?
[02:19] <tvo> mostly buildsys changes
[02:19] <tvo> docs, and a small bit of code
[02:21] <tvo> * added the ability to deactivate the systray-icon
[02:21] <tvo> * created shortcut for the context-menu (ctrl+c)
[02:21] <tvo>         * added us to the authors
[02:21] <tvo> * katapult.cpp: made katapult not to crash if your query can not be found
[02:21] <tvo> ^^ that's everything in Changelog
[02:43] <Riddell> tvo: fancy makin\g a katapult package using tyhe current ubuntu one  with a branch_changes patch and with systray off by default?
[02:45] <tvo> you mean same .orig and all enhancements in .diff ?
[02:46] <Riddell> yes
[02:46] <Riddell> in debian/patches
[02:47] <tvo> ok, will try (packaging skillz++)
[04:12] <JRe> Riddell: I think i'll help you on 3.5 packages
[04:12] <JRe> Riddell: tonight I have my new computer
[04:13] <JRe> Riddell: and I have builded KDE many times, since I am involved in the development of some KDE parts
[04:18] <Riddell> I'm uploading kdelibs and kdebase packages
[04:19] <Riddell> taking a long time to upload
[04:19] <hunger> Will 3.5 make it into breezy?
[04:19] <Riddell> then people can start making other packages
[04:19] <Riddell> hu	no
[04:19] <Riddell> hunger: no
[04:20] <hunger> Riddell: So where can I grab the packages to test?
[04:21] <Riddell> freshly uploaded:  deb http://kubuntu.org/~jr/kde35beta1/ breezy main
[04:27] <allee> Riddel: No consensus yet to use pkg-kde/branch/ubuntu-3.5 (or so)?
[04:33] <Riddell> allee: I'd like to but these packages have been made in such a hurry I'm not sure it's a good diea to commit them
[04:39] <allee> Riddell: well, work would be done on a branch. Nothing is perfect can one can polish them later, but of course it's your choice
[04:42] <hunger> Riddell: I think the Package file is corrupt (or not bzip2ed).
[04:43] <hunger> Riddell: My bat-file generator is not really intelligent, so maybe this is a non-issue for anyone with a internet connection on their ubuntu box;-)
[04:53] <hunger> Hmmm... it is a gz file... need to fix my bat-file generator:-(
[04:56] <Riddell> hunger: working fine for me here
[04:57] <hunger> Riddell: It is a .gz file... that caused some havok for me.
[04:57] <hunger> Riddell: It should be fine now...
[04:57] <Riddell> hunger: why would .gz cause you havok?
[04:57] <hunger> Riddell: My problem is that I use apt-get to generate DOS .bat files to download all the apt-get stuff for me.
[04:58] <hunger> RiddellOnly a windows maschine has network here... and I may not changhe that... so I had to hack together some scripts.. and those assumed the Releases files to be bzip2ed.
[05:01] <hunger> Riddell: Oh, actually apt-get tries to grab Packages.bz2
[05:02] <hunger> Riddell: My scripts are OK, it is apt that is misguided (better: Using bz2 by default).
[05:03] <Riddell> hunger: try now
[05:03] <hunger> Riddell: I owe you a drink!
[05:04] <hunger> Riddell: Well, I think I owe you several considering the quality of the debs you are generating for me and others!
[05:05] <Riddell> these debs arn't very high quality, be warned :)
[05:06] <hunger> Riddell: No worries: I'll blame any bugs I find on the KDE developers:-)
[05:09] <Riddell> yeah, it's all beta :)
[05:10] <hunger> Riddell: Works fine now!
[05:12] <hunger> Riddell: Lets find out how long the network guys will take to find out that I am downloading stuff to a workstation that can not access the net ;-)
[05:28] <hunger> Riddell: Seems to work...
[05:31] <hunger> Riddell: The bookmark search still sucks:-(
[05:42] <hunger> ksysguard applet is still broken.
[05:43] <Riddell> ksysguard applet works here
[05:44] <hunger> Riddell: It pops up a window asking for a way to contact its daemon here.
[05:44] <Riddell> sounds like a broken ksysguiardd
[05:44] <hunger> Riddell: I already removed everything called *sysguard* in ~/.kde. Didn't help.
[05:45] <Riddell> does ksysguard proper work?
[05:46] <hunger> Riddell: The "big" app works fine.
[05:48] <hunger> Riddell: Automounting of USB disks works again!
[06:07] <hunger> Riddell: The ksysguard issue is a local misconfiguration... works fine if I remove my .kde
[06:07] <hunger> Riddell: I just wonder why that stupid think keeps breaking all every couple of month.
[06:34] <OculusAquilae> JRe: You are the maintainer of katapult in kubuntu, right?
[06:57] <Riddell> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KDE35Packages
[06:57] <Riddell> go package!
[06:57] <Riddell> each package is worth 4 hugs in the new Kubuntu Partner Program
[06:57] <Tm_T> \o/
[06:58] <Tm_T> can I have advance? ;p
[06:58] <Tm_T> ..
[06:58] <Riddell> no advances I'm afraid
[06:58] <Tm_T> KDE!
[06:58] <Tm_T> I'm slow...
[06:58] <allee> Riddell: FWIW: tar's z option does not use gzip --best
[06:58] <Tm_T> \o/ (o/ \o)
[06:59] <Riddell> allee: hmm, that's a pain
[06:59] <allee> afair there a gzip env var
[07:03] <Tm_T> maybe I can do few packages with this windows pc
[07:03] <Riddell> Tm_T: that would be impressive
[07:04] <Tm_T> =)
[07:05] <Tm_T> damn!
[07:06] <tvo> oops erased my todo list :s
[07:07] <Tm_T> use mine: 1) wait internet connection
[07:07] <Tm_T> 2) wait more
[07:08] <Riddell> OculusAquilae: you are Bastian Holst yes?
[07:09] <Riddell> tvo: make 3.5 beta packages! :)
[07:09] <tvo> haha :)
[07:10] <tvo> i probably won't forget development stuff though - hope i don't forget some boring real life things which were on it :)
[07:11] <OculusAquilae> Riddell: yes
[07:11] <Riddell> thought so
[07:12] <allee> Riddel: btw channel title adept is at beta 2
[07:13] <Riddell> allee: even better than that it's dependencies have just passed NEW so it should be installable in an hour
[07:13] <allee> great news!
[07:29] <tvo> Riddell: i don't think it makes sense to turn the katapult icon off by default: there's no easy way to turn it back on (not yet)
[07:31] <Riddell> tvo: there's minimal reason to turn it on
[07:31] <Riddell> and excessive systray icons are evil
[07:31] <tvo> true, well ok then, i'll turn it off by default (if i figure out how)
[07:33] <Riddell> tvo: the patch is in there
[07:33] <Riddell> tvo: I think OculusAquilae is already looking it up
[07:33] <Riddell> oh right, off by default, yeah
[07:33] <tvo> in where?
[07:33] <OculusAquilae> tvo: it isn't really easy to turn it on again
[07:34] <tvo> no, the "enter config from main screen" is still in TODO :)
[07:34] <OculusAquilae> tvo: ok, I forgot to delete this line :-)
[07:36] <tvo> OculusAquilae: huh, so it is possible to enter the config from the main screen?
[07:36] <tvo> if you svn commit then I'll svn co again
[07:43] <OculusAquilae> tvo: without a button, with a Shortcut
[07:45] <OculusAquilae> tvo: it is possible, but not very easy
[07:50] <tvo> so how do you do it?
[07:58] <froud> Riddell: ping
[07:59] <Riddell> froud: hi
[07:59] <froud> did you have a peak at irc logs yester
[07:59] <Riddell> had a quick look at scrollback yes
[08:00] <froud> do you think it is worth moving kubuntu docs to a place of greater love
[08:00] <Riddell> froud: what's wrong with them as they are?
[08:00] <froud> and where would that place be
[08:01] <froud> I just feel like they get no attention because of the GNOME/Ubuntu shadow
[08:01] <froud> I cant do kubuntu all alone, but where they are we are not getting enough contributors
[08:01] <Riddell> will moving them elsewhere get any more contributors?
[08:01] <OculusAquilae> tvo: what?
[08:02] <tvo> OculusAquilae: what's the shortcut?
[08:02] <OculusAquilae> CTRL+C (i know, bad shortcut :-))
[08:02] <froud> and recently had kubuntu stripped from one of the profiles docs because not caring waht appens to kubuntu
[08:03] <froud> Dunno, if the place is right I think we might get more people
[08:03] <tvo> OculusAquilae: haha :) thx
[08:03] <Riddell> sorry, need to go out
[08:03] <froud> Riddell:  you see when people gather at ubuntu-doc they gather for ubuntu/gnome
[08:04] <froud> Riddell: ok
[08:04] <Riddell> froud: yeah, kubuntu docs people should gather here more and boss me about
[08:04] <froud> ha ha
[08:04] <froud> at present that would just be me
[08:04] <Riddell> poke me into proofreading and reviewing and stuff
[08:05] <Riddell> jjesse?
[08:05] <froud> Riddell: first people must write something, then we can prod you
[08:05] <OculusAquilae> tvo: Riddell made the suggestion of a button in the main-surface, but Mez didn't wan't to have this :-)
[08:05] <froud> jjesse is making small changes, once is a blue moon
[08:06] <OculusAquilae> tvo: because it's destroying the look
[08:06] <Riddell> froud: is there an updated package that I can upload?
[08:06] <Riddell> OculusAquilae: not a button button, just a small arrow you can click on to bring up the menu
[08:06] <froud> I will post here when there is
[08:06] <froud> Riddell: OK man, go out, catch this later. 
[08:07] <OculusAquilae> Riddell: hm, i think that could be nice (if good made)
[08:08] <OculusAquilae> Riddell: could show the context menu too
[09:15] <allee> froud, Riddell:  IMVHO we should somehow try to the the kde profile back, before thinking about move
[09:16] <allee> s/the the/get the/
[09:17] <froud> allee: can I, will I, when? Already have :-)
[09:17] <allee> froud: was more for Riddell