[12:15] <G|Patrick> gn8
[12:16] <PaloDeQueso> How do I use a plugin I installed for konqueror?
[12:16] <PaloDeQueso> a metabar plugin.
[12:19] <nick01> hi; if I install kubuntu is there somebody that can help me configure lirc ? I wanna use that feature in the kde control center to control apps with my tv tuner remote
[12:20] <douglas> Does anyone know how to utilize a konqueror plugin I installed as a plugin?
[12:28] <_stefan> hello again
[12:29] <_stefan> I solved the gpg
[12:29] <_stefan> problem
[12:29] <nalioth> _stefan: what was it?
[12:29] <_stefan> I just forgott to import secret keys in kgpg
[12:29] <nalioth> ok
[12:29] <_stefan> ohhh man..
[12:30] <_stefan> now all runs well
[12:30] <_stefan> I were a good to have a notice in that moment
[12:30] <_stefan> So you can "earn" time
[12:31] <_stefan> sorry in the moment I have not a better word
[12:35] <_stefan> I wish I could develop
[12:36] <nalioth> _stefan: why can't you ?
[12:50] <_stefan> I need  a teacher I think
[12:51] <_stefan> But have no money for study development
[12:51] <nalioth> _stefan: there are plenty of guides online
[12:52] <_stefan> ahh do have a good site for beginners?
[12:52] <_stefan> C/C++
[12:53] <nalioth> i'd ask uncle google, personally or in #ubuntu-offtopic
[12:53] <_stefan> okaay
[12:55] <kbob717> how do i get kubuntu?
[12:56] <nalioth> kbob717: use synaptic to install "kubuntu-desktop"
[12:56] <kbob717> koo
[12:58] <quilon> Anyone know of a fix to stop gamin_server eating up my cpu resources ?
[12:58] <nalioth> quilon: kill it?
[12:59] <quilon> it re-starts after the kill
[12:59] <nalioth> quilon: close nautilus or konqueror
[01:00] <quilon> k tries
[01:01] <quilon> nalioth: its still there
[01:02] <nalioth> quilon: unfortunately, gam_server is a necessary part of the system
[01:02] <nalioth> quilon: it is 'indexing' (smoething like that) your stuff
[01:03] <quilon> nalioth and unfortunately lots of people having same problem with no soultion found after more than 5 hours of googling
[01:05] <nalioth> quilon: yes, even i'm afflicted with it
[01:05] <quilon> nalioth: I would think nobody would want an indexing system if its taking more than 70% of CPU
[01:05] <quilon> lol there you go
[01:08] <nalioth> quilon: it should quit once it finds all the new files (mine does)
[01:09] <peanut> i alredy have a regular ubuntu installed on my machene however i dont have an internet connection todo apt-get can i download the packages needed to install kubuntu on it without having to reinstall the wholesystem?
[01:10] <nalioth> peanut: i'm afraid you'd need more dvd-r than currently exists
[01:10] <nalioth> peanut: you you could d/l a kubuntu disc
[01:11] <peanut> ?
[01:11] <peanut> what
[01:11] <nalioth> peanut: but i'd wait until breezy kubuntu is official
[01:11] <peanut> im sort ofa newby
[01:12] <peanut> what do you mean by d/l
[01:12] <peanut> i actually want it on a horry machine
[01:15] <nalioth> peanut: you can download a kubuntu install cd and add it from that
[01:15] <peanut> nalioth:how?
[01:17] <nalioth> peanut: once you get the cd, put it in your machine and open a terminal
[01:17] <nalioth> peanut: at that time, type "sudo apt-cdrom" and follow the directions
[01:18] <peanut> ok thanks
[01:22] <peanut> nalioth:sorry i closed the window by accedent what did you say
[01:23] <nalioth> peanut: after you run the 'apt-cdrom', run "sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop"
[01:23] <nalioth> peanut: you should have kubuntu
[01:23] <nalioth> peanut: if i were you, i'd wait for the breezy kubuntu release (oct 13)
[01:23] <peanut> ok thanks
[01:27] <peanut> after i runapt-cdrom should i run add
[01:29] <peanut> nalioth
[01:29] <nalioth> peanut: "sudo apt-cdrom add"
[01:29] <nalioth> follow the instructions
[01:29] <peanut> ok
[01:54] <ManLord> Operation not possible with broken packages.
[01:54] <ManLord> Please fix them first.
[01:54] <ManLord> i'm trying to upgrade xlibmesa-gl from 6.8.2-10 to 6.8.2-10.1, bur when I select upgrade and then commit changes then nothing gets downloaded. And because of that I can't "upgrade all packages" gets this error: 
[01:54] <ManLord> read above...
[02:00] <hussam> ManLord: try it from command line. do: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[02:02] <ManLord> xlibmesa-gl-dev: Depends: xlibmesa-gl (= 6.8.2-10.1) but 6.8.2-10 is installed
[02:03] <hussam> ManLord: try sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[02:04] <ManLord> hussam: same problem
[02:04] <ManLord> it suggests with an -f flag
[02:04] <nalioth> ManLord: try "apt-get -f install"
[02:04] <hussam> apt-get install xlibmesa-gl
[02:05] <ManLord> Pakker ut erstatningen xlibmesa-gl ...
[02:05] <ManLord> dpkg: Feil ved behandling av /var/cache/apt/archives/xlibmesa-gl_6.8.2-10.1_i386.deb (--unpack):
[02:05] <ManLord>  prver  skrive over /usr/X11R6/lib/libGL.so.1.2, som ogs finnes i pakken fglrx-6-8-0
[02:05] <ManLord> dpkg-deb: underprosessen paste drept med signal (Rret ble brutt)
[02:05] <ManLord> Det oppsto feil ved behandling av:
[02:05] <ManLord>  /var/cache/apt/archives/xlibmesa-gl_6.8.2-10.1_i386.deb
[02:05] <ManLord> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[02:05] <ManLord> some norwegian here...
[02:06] <ManLord> trying to overwrite /usr/X11R6/lib/libGL.so.1.2, that also is in the package fglrx-6-8-0
[02:06] <nalioth> ManLord: it looks like your xlibmesa pkg is incorrect
[02:06] <nalioth> failed to unpack
[02:07] <ManLord> nalioth.. so how to fix?
[02:07] <nalioth> ManLord: download it again
[02:08] <ManLord> how exactly?
[02:09] <nalioth> ManLord: hang on a minute
[02:09] <nalioth> ManLord: "man apt-get" can provide some info while i look
[02:10] <nalioth> ManLord: sudo apt-get -d xlibmesa-gl
[02:11] <ManLord> sudo apt-get install(?) -d xlibmesa-gl
[02:11] <nalioth> ManLord: sounds good
[02:12] <ManLord> nalioth: well i tried that, then what? sudo apt-get install xlibmesa-gl?
[02:12] <ManLord> nalioth: without -d
[02:12] <nalioth> ManLord: yes, try it
[02:14] <ManLord> this happens:
[02:14] <ManLord> dpkg: Error while unpacking /var/cache/apt/archives/xlibmesa-gl_6.8.2-10.1_i386.deb (--unpack):
[02:14] <ManLord>  trying to overwrite /usr/X11R6/lib/libGL.so.1.2, tat also exist in the package fglrx-6-8-0
[02:14] <ManLord> nalioth: had to translate the norwegian...
[02:15] <nalioth> ManLord: you have a choice here
[02:15] <nalioth> ManLord: there is a "force" option available, should you choose to take it
[02:18] <ManLord> nalioth: I tried: sudo apt-get install xlibmesa-gl -f   
[02:18] <ManLord> same error
[02:20] <nalioth> ManLord: you need this "dpkg --help" read about force options
[02:20] <nalioth> ManLord: your system is warning you, btw
[02:20] <koalah> i have no sound in gnome
[02:20] <ManLord> nalioth: I also tried sudo apt-get clean and then sudo apt-get install xlibmesa-gl
[02:21] <ManLord> same prob
[02:22] <nalioth> ManLord: if you HAVE to have it, you can use dpkg to force installation
[02:23] <ManLord> it's just that it's restricting me from doing other actions with apt-get...
[02:26] <|maddox|> hi
[02:27] <|maddox|> hi hussam, how was the upgrade to breezy?
[02:28] <ManLord> niloth: I did: sudo dpkg --force-all -i /var/cache/apt/archives/xlibmesa-gl_6.8.2-10.1_i386.deb
[02:28] <hussam> I haven't gone through with it yet. but I did apt-get -d dist-upgrade so the packages are downloaded
[02:28] <ManLord> niloth: that solved it... hopefully not on the cost of anything else :)
[02:29] <ManLord> niloth: because I had like 57 packages not fully installed, but now i could...
[02:29] <nalioth> ManLord: the better option would have been --force-overwrite
[02:29] <nalioth> ManLord: since that was the error it was giving you
[02:29] <ManLord> niloth: ok, big problem?
[02:30] <hussam> |maddox|: should I go for it?
[02:30] <nalioth> ManLord: dont know, but precision is better than --all
[02:30] <|maddox|> hussam you?re half way hehe
[02:31] <ManLord> niloth: you're right... well too late now...
[02:31] <|maddox|> hussam:  i would go for it
[02:31] <ManLord> :)
[02:31] <hussam> |maddox|: all the packages are downloaded. But I heard some people are having an error: Initializing modules
[02:32] <ManLord> niloth: Thanks for the help! Gotta go! :)
[02:33] <hussam> |maddox|: did you get an "initializing modules" error?
[02:33] <|maddox|> hussam: could be.... i got luck, everythink is runninge smooth here
[02:33] <|maddox|> nopes
[02:42] <hussam> |maddox|: I doing some work. I'll be done in like 10 minutes. After that, I'll do the upgrade
[02:57] <blackflag> hello all
[02:57] <blackflag> can someone tell me to get an own channel?
[02:58] <blackflag> is that expensive?
[02:58] <hussam> blackflag: costs like 10 million dollars a day.
[02:59] <hussam> blackflag: or just /join #channel name and it will be created
[03:00] <hussam> |maddox|: you there?
[03:00] <blackflag> ohh so easy?!! cool
[03:02] <hussam> |maddox|: I can't connect to security.ubuntu.com ( it won't reslove 82.211.81.151 )
[03:52] <JeffAMcGee> hussam: Here security.ubuntu.com resolves to 82.211.81.138
[03:53] <hussam> JeffAMcGee: yep thanks for noticing that, I'll replace security.archive.com by 82.211.81.138 in sources.list
[04:05] <yasser> hey im formatting home...but i want opera cookies/cache & gaim chat logs back....how do i back them up so I can reuse them?
[04:06] <nalioth> yasser: not sure about opera, but look in ~/.gaim for your logs
[04:59] <hussam> nalioth: you there?
[05:01] <hussam> nalioth: do you know if this is a good up2date mirror: http://mirrors.sunsite.dk/ubuntu/ ? if not, do you know any good one?
[05:04] <nalioth> hussam: stick with official mirrors
[05:05] <nalioth> hussam: the other ubuntu mirrors are not as up to date
[05:07] <hussam> nalioth: something's wrong with my network. I can't access security.archive.com 82.211.81.151 times out but 82.211.81.138 works
[05:11] <nalioth> hussam: not your network
[05:11] <nalioth> hussam: the archive at .151 appears to be having trouble
[05:12] <hussam> nalioth: it times out for you as well?
[05:13] <nalioth> hussam: it has been reported in here and #ubuntu for a few hours now
[05:13] <hussam> oh ok
[05:13] <hussam> thanks for that
[05:19] <hussam> nalioth: i had 2 people check and it works for them. could it be working only for some people?
[05:20] <nalioth> hussam: that is a possibility, the net is a great interconnected place
[06:04] <blake> hi
[06:04] <Bambi_BOFH> hi bla
[06:04] <Bambi_BOFH> ke
[06:06] <blake> i almost named my dog bambi
[06:06] <blake> we went with kiwi instead
[06:06] <Bambi_BOFH> lol.
[06:06] <Bambi_BOFH> its an in joke :D
[06:07] <blake> i must not be 'in'
[06:07] <Bambi_BOFH> no, only about 3 ppl are 
[06:57] <_nick01> test
[06:57] <_nick01> -nick nick01
[06:58] <_nick01> there is something wrong with the keyboard+ I just installed kubuntu
[06:59] <_nick01> works now
[06:59] <_nick01> :P
[06:59] <nalioth> tests out 
[07:00] <_nick01> now I can't set the screen resolution higher than 1024x768 :(
[07:00] <nick01> can somebody help ? I want 1280x1024
[07:01] <thoreauputic> !fixres
[07:01] <ubotu> [fixres]  http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[07:02] <nick01> I just installed 5.10 preview
[07:03] <nick01> run xorgconfig ?
[07:05] <nick01> now I have a passwword problem ...
[07:15] <nick01> I wanna install mc and apt-get sais it can't find it ?
[07:15] <crimsun> it's in universe.
[07:16] <nick01> so how do I install it ?
[07:16] <crimsun> Candidate: 1:4.6.0-4.6.1-pre1-3ubuntu1
[07:16] <crimsun> enable the universe repo and install it
[07:16] <nick01> k
[07:17] <nick01> how do I enable that repo in kynaptic ?
[07:18] <crimsun> I don't use Kynaptic, sorry
[07:18] <nick01> that's what I found in the menu
[07:19] <crimsun> (I use Ubuntu generally)
[07:19] <nick01> k- so how do I enable that repo ?
[07:19] <crimsun> you can edit /etc/apt/sources.list manually
[07:19] <nick01> k
[07:20] <crimsun> uncomment the deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary universe
[07:20] <crimsun> line
[07:20] <nick01> done
[07:20] <crimsun> then save and sudo aptitude update && sudo aptitude install mc
[07:21] <nick01> why did they disable root by default ? 
[07:21] <crimsun> it's good practice to use the lowest privilege level necessary by default
[07:22] <nick01> anyway- I enabled it
[07:22] <crimsun> additionally, sudo provides an audit trail in the system logs
[07:25] <nick01> crimsun: do u have any experience with lirc ?
[07:26] <crimsun> only maintenance-wise, so no
[07:26] <nick01> k tks :|
[07:27] <nalioth> what is lirc?
[07:27] <kalenedrael> Linux Infrared Remote Control system.
[07:28] <Kamping_Kaiser> or light irc
[07:28] <nick01> kalenedrael: yay- so u know how to make it work ? I compiled it configured it for my tv tuner remote and installed it; but kcontrol still sais lirc is not configured correctly :(
[07:28] <kalenedrael> I do not know how to make it work.
[07:29] <nalioth> living up to your nick, Kamping_Kaiser ? lol
[07:29] <nick01> k :(
[07:29] <kalenedrael> Sorry...
[07:29] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol nalioth
[07:32] <nick01> xorgconfig doesn't work
[07:32] <nick01> how do I configure the screen resolution ?
[07:33] <nalioth> nick01: in a terminal, type "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" and have fun
[07:37] <nick01> how do I install that xorgconfig ? I hate this config tool
[07:40] <nick01> testing time
[07:48] <nick01> how do I install the nvidia drivers ?
[07:49] <nick01> I searched kynaptic and nvidia-common I think it was was already installed - I'm installing all the nvidia packages remaining
[07:50] <nick01> how do I configure it 
[07:50] <nick01> ?
[07:54] <nick01> hmm- it's already installed
[08:20] <blake> hi
[08:35] <WMCoolmon> hey, i'm trying to DVD playback working, but the extra repos on ubuntuguide.org aren't working
[08:35] <nalioth> WMCoolmon: dont use ubuntuguide, ask ubotu why
[08:36] <nalioth> !tell WMCoolmon about restricted
[08:39] <WMCoolmon> the backports URL isn't working either
[08:40] <WMCoolmon> "deb http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net/ hoary-extras main universe multiverse restricted" is the line i want to add, right?
[08:40] <nalioth> WMCoolmon: are you using hoary or breezy?
[08:40] <WMCoolmon> hoary
[08:41] <WMCoolmon> i tried upgrading ubuntu to breezy and my system bombed
[08:42] <WMCoolmon> hence, i figured i'd try instally hoary kubuntu
[08:43] <nalioth> the URL you posted above looks correct
[08:43] <nalioth> you can compare with this
[08:43] <nalioth> !tell WMCoolmon about sources
[08:44] <WMCoolmon> gah
[08:56] <WMCoolmon> !tell WMCoolmon about AMD64
[08:56] <WMCoolmon> bah :P
[08:56] <March-RX8> hello
[08:57] <nalioth> howdy March-RX8 
[08:57] <aftertaf> cheers nalioth ... thought crossed my mind too.
[08:58] <aftertaf> its a work PC, so i'll stick it back in the stock and try another... (don't buy HP!!!)
[08:58] <nalioth> aftertaf: why are you answering me in here?
[08:59] <aftertaf> i dont know......
[08:59] <aftertaf> :)
[08:59] <WMCoolmon> !tell WMCoolmon about restricted
[09:50] <March-RX8> hei
[09:50] <March-RX8> i hav a kubuntu 5.04 installed on a pc
[09:50] <March-RX8> what should i do to update it to the last release?
[09:51] <nalioth> March-RX8: i'd advise waiting til oct 13
[09:51] <nalioth> the official release date
[09:51] <March-RX8> cant i through apt-get?
[09:52] <March-RX8> or synaptic?
[09:52] <nalioth> if you wish to do it now
[09:53] <nalioth> !tell March-RX8 about upgrade2breezy
[09:54] <mornfall> morning
[09:54] <aftertaf> yop mornfall  :)
[09:55] <zorba64> !upgrade2breezy
[09:55] <ubotu> The guide to upgrading to breezy (5.10) is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyUpgrade
[09:56] <mornfall> aftertaf: you on hoary right?
[09:56] <mornfall> aftertaf: could you try apt-get source adept?
[09:56] <aftertaf> yes and no ;)
[09:56] <mornfall> hmm
[09:56] <aftertaf> ok
[09:56] <aftertaf> on this one yeah...
[09:56] <aftertaf> i havent yet chrooted this morning ;)
[09:56] <aftertaf> E: Unable to find a source package for ept
[09:57] <aftertaf> i said ept.... 
[09:57] <mornfall> hmm right
[09:57] <aftertaf> i typed adept.
[09:57] <mornfall> that's ok
[09:57] <mornfall> you don't have the -src line anyway, i guess ;p
[09:58] <mornfall> anyway, it works
[09:59] <mornfall> some duncan hill was asking about the sources
[10:06] <aftertaf> duncan hill ?
[10:14] <mornfall> aftertaf: no idea, mailed me about it
[10:14] <aftertaf> dpkg-source: extracting ept in ept-0.4.1~hoary1
[10:15] <mornfall> yes i know, i already tried on my system
[10:15] <aftertaf> hehe
[10:39] <epiloc> has anyone here ever played around with linux on a toshiba libretto?
[11:22] <yhann> hi to all!
[11:23] <yhann> I am a newby in Ubuntu world and need help.
[11:23] <Kamping_Kaiser> ask away. someone might be able to help
[11:23] <yhann> I usually using Mandrake where root can log in in GUI as everyone.
[11:23] <nalioth> said the Kamping_Kaiser 
[11:24] <yhann> What about Ubuntu?
[11:24] <Kamping_Kaiser> ubuntu no, kubuntu can if poked hard enough
[11:25] <Kamping_Kaiser> yhann: for a start you need to reneable the root user account
[11:25] <Kamping_Kaiser> after that im not so sure, i can check the mailing list though and see
[11:25] <nalioth> it is not advisable to log into a gui as root. it can damage your userspace
[11:25] <Kamping_Kaiser> i saw this come up in the last few days
[11:25] <Kamping_Kaiser> and yes, what nalioth said :/
[11:26] <yhann> I try Sudo -i  through a terminal but nothing after
[11:26] <yhann> I need to setup my Samba server...
[11:26] <nalioth> yhann: no caps in sudo
[11:26] <yhann> ok...
[11:27] <mornfall> Riddell: hi, hmm, sanekonsole still stuck?
[11:27] <yhann> But caps or not, I can sign as root on terminal but need set Samba on GUI screen...
[11:28] <yhann> How this root thing work?
[11:28] <yhann> What is sanekonsole?
[11:28] <mornfall> yhann: forget root, just use kdesu
[11:29] <yhann> mornfail, please be more clear..
[11:29] <Kamping_Kaiser> yhann: surely kde has  a utitily to do samba shares in one of its controll centers?
[11:29] <mornfall> yhann: kdesu <program> in your terminal
[11:29] <yhann> ok let try
[11:30] <mornfall> Kamping_Kaiser: better don't run around telling poor newbies how to log in as root :p
[11:30] <zorba64> !units
[11:30] <ubotu> zorba64: I don't know, could you explain it?
[11:30] <Kamping_Kaiser> mornfall: he asked ;)
[11:30] <yhann> command samba not found.....
[11:30] <mornfall> Kamping_Kaiser: if he asked to be shot, would you? ;)
[11:30] <mornfall> yhann: what program are you trying to run dude?
[11:30] <Kamping_Kaiser> mornfall: well, that depends if he uses gentoo ;D
[11:30] <mornfall> Kamping_Kaiser: heh
[11:30] <yhann> samba 
[11:31] <yhann> samba config
[11:31] <mornfall> yhann: but what program you use to configure samba
[11:31] <Kamping_Kaiser> and for the record, i have some good friends who dev on gentoo ;O
[11:31] <mornfall> gentoo is lame
[11:31] <mornfall> listening to In Flames - System
[11:32] <yhann> mornfall, into KDE there is controle center where you can choose samba in admin mode to config...
[11:32] <mornfall> yhann: so what?
[11:32] <Kamping_Kaiser> use it ;)
[11:32] <yhann> He does not let me go in root mode...
[11:33] <yhann> Everytime I put root password it just not let me change anything...
[11:33] <mornfall> yhann: that's a problem yes... do you want to speak about it?
[11:33] <mornfall> *hides*
[11:33] <mornfall> yhann: anyway, tried kdesu kcontrol?
[11:34] <Kamping_Kaiser> yhann: in a terminal run "sudo kcontroll"
[11:34] <Kamping_Kaiser> heh. 
[11:34] <Kamping_Kaiser> what mornfall quoth
[11:34] <yhann> i used sudo passwd to set root password
[11:34] <Riddell> mornfall: yeah, seems to be
[11:35] <mornfall> Riddell: damn
[11:35] <yhann> wow...mornfall you are geek! Thanks
[11:35] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[11:36] <mornfall> O.o
[11:36] <mornfall> hey aftertaf 
[11:36] <mornfall> s/hey/re/
[11:36] <aftertaf> rehey :)
[11:37] <aftertaf> poxy proxy
[11:37] <aftertaf> all i'm doing is a dist-upgrade to breezy on a new box :D
[11:37] <yhann> mornfall: I spent days to understand how this sudo command works...I
[11:49] <Kamping_Kaiser> :) 
[11:50] <yhann> thoreauputic: is that e-book or what????? :))
[11:50] <thoreauputic> yhann: dead tree :)
[11:51] <yhann> Please theeauputic, I was Windows fan until few months....
[11:51] <yhann> Actually, linux world is brand new to me and try to learn and read!
[11:51] <Kamping_Kaiser> heh. things a bit busy in #ubuntu atm thoreauputic?
[11:51] <thoreauputic> yhann: yes, well we all have dark secrets we would prefer not to admit ot ;)
[11:51] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol.
[11:52] <Kamping_Kaiser> like being bsd and system Vs bitch?
[11:52] <thoreauputic> Kamping_Kaiser: the Return of the Bots
[11:52] <Kamping_Kaiser> ahh.....
[11:52] <yhann> cool....
[11:53] <thoreauputic> Kamping_Kaiser: actually #ubuntu is now +r again :/
[11:53] <Kamping_Kaiser> :/ ouch
[11:53] <mornfall> thoreauputic: +r as in registered?
[11:53] <thoreauputic> right
[11:53] <Kamping_Kaiser> +right ;)
[11:53] <mornfall> well, probably anti-spam measure
[11:53] <thoreauputic> yes, anti bot
[11:53] <mornfall> #ubuntu is a bit more frequented than this one
[11:53] <nalioth> blasted bots
[11:54] <mornfall> my bot is registered with nickserv ;-)
[11:54] <nalioth> lucky they've not found us yet
[11:54] <aftertaf> screen & ssh is awesome
[11:54] <Kamping_Kaiser> heh.
[11:54] <mornfall> aftertaf: i must be too used to unix ways... what's unusual about ssh or screen? ;-)
[11:54] <yhann> by the way, I have another question..
[11:54] <aftertaf> run sth remotely, and kill the terminal window. then come back to it later:)
[11:55] <aftertaf> mornfall:  i come from a m$ way of life dude... computers just dont DO that type of thing
[11:55] <mornfall> aftertaf: i can barely recall it working differently :p
[11:55] <mornfall> m$... what's that? :)
[11:55] <yhann> I have an old cyrix pc and I try /to load Kubuntu ann did'nt work. Any suggestion?
[11:56] <aftertaf> cyrix..... hmm debian?
[11:56] <Kamping_Kaiser> openbsd?
[11:56] <aftertaf> thoreauputic:  heh only use it for one thing, resume detached process execution. ive known about screen for a week
[11:56] <mornfall> aftertaf: actually, i can't recall using MS winders... last time i used them i run fluxbox on it i think ;-)
[11:57] <mornfall> aftertaf: was @ school, stupid c++ classes in a room with winders installed
[11:57] <thoreauputic> aftertaf: right - just commenting on the "man page" that was more like a copy of War and Peace ;)
[11:57] <Kamping_Kaiser> thoreauputic: tried squid? ;S
[11:58] <mornfall> aftertaf: (still, we were supposed to putty/ssh into a MIPS machine with SGI IRIX on it to do the work ;p)
[11:58] <aftertaf> mornfall:  never done IT at school, i'm a languages person.
[11:58] <yhann> Yes or there is any linux distro can work with cyrix?
[11:58] <nalioth> cyrix processors?
[11:58] <mornfall> aftertaf: i'm not IT person either, more like CS
[11:59] <Kamping_Kaiser> yhann: its more that they are so slow afaik
[11:59] <yhann> Yes, cyrix processors
[11:59] <yhann> Yes, but I will use that Pc for downloading or test..
[12:00] <aftertaf> mornfall:  i did french ;)
[12:00] <mornfall> aftertaf: :-)
[12:00] <mornfall> aftertaf: i was wondering if i should start a second school :-)
[12:00] <mornfall> but i'm sorta short on time, with all those things going on
[12:01] <nalioth> yhann: ubuntu will work on cyrix processors (use a lightweight window manager)
[12:01] <aftertaf> as a teacher or a learner?
[12:01] <mornfall> aftertaf: i'm an undergrad student, man
[12:01] <aftertaf> i got my Ba in french by the skin of my [beep] 
[12:02] <mornfall> i'd want to teach at some point, but suspect i'm a bit young for that :)
[12:02] <yhann> nalioth, which version because I had Kernel panic error with the latest version 
[12:02] <nalioth> yhann: hmmm, breezy is coming out in 4 weeks
[12:03] <mornfall> panic = male virgin in .cz (or .sk) :D
[12:04] <mornfall> (read as if n was &ncaron; though)
[12:04] <mornfall> (slightly OT)
[12:04] <yhann> mornfall, you still cool aftr all! ;)
[12:05] <mornfall> yhann: yeah, one could cool his beer on me ;-)
[12:05] <aftertaf> you how old mornfall ? 
[12:05] <yhann> nalioth, Are you sure? How you know it will work? Did you test it?
[12:05] <mornfall> aftertaf: *counting* about 20 i think
[12:05] <aftertaf> where you guys at anyway?
[12:06] <yhann> Thank you Kamping_Kaiser!!! :))
[12:06] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol mornfall
[12:06] <aftertaf> $mornfall+10>aftertaf
[12:06] <mornfall> aftertaf: Brno, Czech Republic
[12:06] <Kamping_Kaiser> yhann:  ;)
[12:06] <nalioth> yhann: no i have not, i have never owned a cyrix box
[12:06] <mornfall> aftertaf: so you are somewhere in 0-30 range eh? ;-)
[12:06] <aftertaf> top end of range ;)
[12:06] <aftertaf> 30 2B exact
[12:06] <mornfall> aftertaf: given you have a degree, yeah
[12:06] <Kamping_Kaiser> ouch :D
[12:06] <mornfall> ah
[12:07] <yhann> nalioth: but how you know it will work?
[12:07] <mornfall> aftertaf: at least you don't make me feel old ;)
[12:07] <aftertaf> i have acertain degree of knowledge, thats all....
[12:07] <aftertaf> Kamping_Kaiser:  you a sprog too?
[12:07] <nalioth> yhann: i dont know if it will or not
[12:07] <yhann> ok
[12:07] <Kamping_Kaiser> 19, Australia
[12:07] <nalioth> yhann: you have a schroedingers cat on your hands
[12:07] <mornfall> Kamping_Kaiser: kid ;P
[12:07] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[12:08] <mornfall> yhann: try different kernels, btw
[12:08] <mornfall> yhann: maybe a 2.4 one, too
[12:08] <mornfall> yhann: (it could as well be mobo not cpu that's the problem, etc)
[12:08] <mornfall> Kamping_Kaiser: (not that i'm much older ;p)
[12:09] <Kamping_Kaiser> yeh, i noticed :D
[12:09] <aftertaf> install, see if the processor is dead or not, the act of installing will either kill or not kill the cyrix.
[12:09] <mornfall> aftertaf: installs shouldn't kill cpu :p
[12:09] <aftertaf> the cyrix is in a superstate of both smoking and functional :D
[12:10] <aftertaf> mornfall:  but you dont know until you install... thats the thing with schrdlinger's CPU
[12:11] <yhann> ok, ok guys I will try!
[12:11] <aftertaf> old timer needs to get sustenance.....
[12:11] <mornfall> FOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOD
[12:11] <mornfall> good idea
[12:11] <Kamping_Kaiser> :o
[12:11] <aftertaf> pffff old timer christ!     30 y/o
[12:11] <aftertaf> :/
[12:11] <Kamping_Kaiser> lmao
[12:12] <mornfall> Kamping_Kaiser: interesting discovery... and since you have had an ass? ;-)
[12:12] <mornfall> +when
[12:12] <mornfall> (you obviously don't have anymore)
[12:12] <mornfall> (given't it is now "laughed off")
[12:13] <Kamping_Kaiser> :/
[12:13] <Kamping_Kaiser> im reading ubuntu-devel. im not quick enought for those jokes atm ;S
[12:13] <mornfall> sorry... ubuntu-devel is serious matter indeed :p
[12:14] <Kamping_Kaiser> mornfall: its not funny, htats for sure :P
[12:14] <mornfall> keyboards don't like water too much
[12:14] <mornfall> |lart Kamping_Kaiser 
[12:14] <mornfall> ubotu: lart Kamping_Kaiser 
[12:15] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[12:15] <mornfall> http://rafb.net/paste/results/J9ffHC23.html
[12:16] <mornfall> listening to In Flames - Metaphor
[12:16] <mornfall> and, time to really get the groceries or i faint from hunger and WHAT WOULD YOU DO THEN?! :-)
[12:16] <Kamping_Kaiser> ignore you?
[12:18] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol@ link as well ;D
[12:24] <yhann> sorry, I will be back!
[12:33] <_yhann> hello nalioth!
[12:33] <nalioth> _yhann: howdy
[12:33] <mornfall> back
[12:33] <_yhann> Yes and no..
[12:33] <_yhann> This is strange...
[12:34] <mornfall> everything is strange
[12:34] <_yhann> Actually I tried to switch Irc software (Konversation to X-irc)
[12:34] <mornfall> why would anyone switch to anything that's not irssi
[12:35] <mornfall> _yhann: something you don't like about konvi?
[12:35] <nalioth> _yhann: you shouldnt stay in -unregged
[12:35] <_yhann> On X-irc they need me to register my nick but nothing with konversation..
[12:35] <mornfall> _yhann: maybe konvi registers you by itself? :)
[12:35] <mornfall> _yhann: or you don't have your nick registered at all?
[12:36] <_yhann> Yes, I tried to see channel list but I can not fetch chanel with more than 99 users..
[12:36] <mornfall> _yhann: oh, also, note your nick now starts with underscore
[12:36] <nalioth> _yhann: you need to register your nick
[12:37] <_yhann> Start with underscore because is alternative if the nick is used
[12:37] <_yhann> I am also connect under yhann but directed somewhere else..
[12:38] <nalioth> _yhann: you may join as yhann when you register
[12:40] <_yhann> nalioth: why you are so rude? I told you I am newbies in this world....can you be more friendly and polite?
[12:40] <nalioth> rude?
[12:41] <Kamping_Kaiser> er?
[12:41] <Kamping_Kaiser> hyper sensitive yhann? :S
[12:41] <nalioth> guess so
[12:41] <RogueJediX> That was amusing
[12:44] <mornfall> RogueJediX: not quite
[12:49] <mornfall> Kamping_Kaiser: it's not obsession, it's a obsessive-compulsive disorder! /me runs to find another large stone
[12:49] <Kamping_Kaiser> *runs the other way*
[12:49] <mornfall> don't you see you insensitive clod!
[12:50] <Kamping_Kaiser> :|
[12:50] <mornfall> hmm, on Kamping_Kaiser too ;-)
[12:51] <mornfall> Kamping_Kaiser: no worries, joking (all the time)
[12:51] <mornfall> RogueJediX: is the allergy serious?
[12:51] <mornfall> i think i've heard of lethal cases
[12:52] <mornfall> Kamping_Kaiser: DUDE, stop it! i almost sprayed my monitor with water i had in mouth
[12:52] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[12:53] <RogueJediX> A bit offtopic: Does anyone know of a good game reviews site that's not loaded with flash content?
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[12:53] <mornfall> RogueJediX: yeah, try microsoft.com
[12:54] <mornfall> big entertainment site
[12:54] <RogueJediX> I sincerely doubt they have PS2 games reviews
[12:54] <mornfall> you are probably right
[12:55] <RogueJediX> I'm already on it actually. All I get is stores even if I filter out words like store, buy, etc.
[12:56] <Kamping_Kaiser> *installs supertux, and hopes he can run it*
[12:56] <RogueJediX> I've been using Gamespot to read reviews, but I got sick of all the flash and java content
[12:56] <mornfall> don't play games, save time!
[12:57] <aftertaf> Kamping_Kaiser:  go tux gooooooo
[12:57] <mornfall> beneath a steel sky!
[12:57] <Kamping_Kaiser> :)
[12:58] <RogueJediX> All work and no play makes RogueJediX a very nervous dude
[12:58] <Kamping_Kaiser> i havent played an fps for 9 months :'(
[12:58] <Kamping_Kaiser> and i havent played anything but gnometriss for 6 :S
[12:59] <mornfall> i think i spent about an hour playing diablo 2 in the last 6 months
[12:59] <RogueJediX> I spend at least 10 hours weekly playing my PS2
[12:59] <Kamping_Kaiser> eeek. console!
[01:00] <RogueJediX> That, or playing Scourge or Atlantik on my Kubuntu box
[01:00] <RogueJediX> Angband is good too
[01:01] <mornfall> angaband is cool
[01:01] <mornfall> but i never beat it :-)
[01:01] <mornfall> i mean, not even in wizard mode :p
[01:02] <aftertaf> whatis angaband
[01:02] <CaiN_SA> aftertaf, 
[01:02] <CaiN_SA> tell me quick
[01:02] <CaiN_SA> why does updatedb run on my pc
[01:03] <CaiN_SA> every bloody morning
[01:03] <aftertaf> cron task? do you reboot?
[01:04] <Kamping_Kaiser> it runs because its told to ;)
[01:04] <CaiN_SA> ya
[01:04] <CaiN_SA> i turn laptop of every evening
[01:04] <CaiN_SA> and put it in server room
[01:05] <thoreauputic> CaiN_SA: anacron actually
[01:08] <aftertaf> i like the way i appear to be an expert at certain things........ :D
[01:09] <thoreauputic> aftertaf: shhhh - someone might hear you ;-)
[01:09] <Kamping_Kaiser> *unplugs ears*
[01:10] <aftertaf> hehe  thoreauputic :)
[01:11] <thoreauputic> aftertaf: I now *know* I'm an arrogant clueless n00b because our friend from earlier *told* me so ;-)
[01:11] <Kamping_Kaiser> aftertaf: top score?
[01:11] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol. yeh thoreauputic you suck ;)
[01:11] <thoreauputic> :D
[01:12] <aftertaf> sucky sucksy.
[01:12] <March-RX8> hello
[01:12] <aftertaf> youz all up yo' ass. 
[01:12] <aftertaf> er.... sorry :)
[01:12] <March-RX8> i updated kubuntu to breezy
[01:12] <aftertaf> hello March-RX8 :)
[01:12] <nalioth> thoreauputic: "I" was the arrogant one
[01:12] <March-RX8> but, where is Mozilla firefox??
[01:13] <thoreauputic> nalioth: heheh - lets have a competition ;)
[01:13] <March-RX8> i cant find it in package list
[01:13] <zorba64> March-RX8: now just called firefox
[01:14] <aftertaf> betchoo R a n00b thoreauputic !!!!!!! not h4x0r like m3 !!
[01:15] <aftertaf> bring out the gimp!
[01:15] <Kamping_Kaiser> lmao
[01:16] <March-RX8> havent found anyway
[01:17] <n01> hi to all
[01:17] <March-RX8> hi n01 
[01:17] <n01> it's good!
[01:17] <n01> someone answered me
[01:18] <n01> ubuntu is good!
[01:18] <aftertaf> hi n01 
[01:18] <n01> and cool
[01:18] <n01> another one
[01:18] <aftertaf> it SO is ;)
[01:18] <n01> ;)
[01:18] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi  :)
[01:18] <n01> why u use ubuntu?
[01:19] <n01> what's the meaning of it?
[01:19] <Kamping_Kaiser> it r0x0rz :)
[01:19] <zorba64> n01: can u spell apt
[01:19] <March-RX8> cause is the only linux who run on my ppc
[01:19] <n01> what's apt?
[01:19] <n01> ok March-RX8 
[01:20] <zorba64> !apt
[01:20] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, apt is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AptGetHowTo/ or http://www.debian.org/doc/user-manuals#apt-howto
[01:20] <n01> hi Chameleon22 !
[01:20] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi Chameleon22
[01:20] <aftertaf> n01:  have you been to the ubuntu website? a lot of good info and background
[01:21] <n01> yes it'true!
[01:21] <aftertaf> March-RX8:  only linux 'that' runs.... 'who' is for people ;)
[01:22] <n01> someone tried to install Eclipse?
[01:22] <n01> thax ubotu !
[01:23] <aftertaf> #j eci
[01:23] <March-RX8> aftertaf i forgot
[01:23] <aftertaf> oooops...
[01:23] <March-RX8> i'am not english native
[01:23] <aftertaf> doesnt matter March-RX8 ... i gathered... it was a friendly grammar tip. :D
[01:24] <n01> don't worry who's a native english?!
[01:25] <aftertaf> a lot of people 'have' to speak english and I thinnk you guys do a very good job of it ;)
[01:25] <n01> ooohhh!
[01:25] <n01> He is lucky, but we too!
[01:25] <aftertaf> I find that people never want to correct language errors, they worry about upsetting the other person.... but its a way to help you progress in english at the same time, if you are kindly corrected. 
[01:25] <thoreauputic> aftertaf: congratulations, old boy - the ashes are once again yours . Jolly good show!
[01:26] <Kamping_Kaiser> does australian count as english
[01:26] <Kamping_Kaiser> ?
[01:26] <aftertaf> thoreauputic:  yep.... was a good set of matches
[01:26] <thoreauputic> Kamping_Kaiser: never!
[01:26] <aftertaf> Kamping_Kaiser:  not in cricket mate ;)
[01:26] <n01> i think so!
[01:26] <thoreauputic> aftertaf: yes - a good series indeed
[01:26] <Kamping_Kaiser> aftertaf: shut up pig :(
[01:26] <n01> if u speak usually english
[01:26] <n01> ...
[01:26] <zorba64> Kamping_Kaiser: you bewdy mate!
[01:26] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol. g'day ;)
[01:27] <cricket_pig> la la la la la :)
[01:27] <Kamping_Kaiser> bah. poms all over :S
[01:27] <zorba64> Kamping_Kaiser: howsitgoin?
[01:27] <Chameleon22> hello all 
[01:27] <Kamping_Kaiser> orritemate'yself?
[01:27] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi Chameleon22
[01:27] <zorba64> Kamping_Kaiser: notbadadall thanks
[01:27] <Chameleon22> whats up Kamping_Kaiser ?
[01:28] <after8> naaaH;
[01:28] <Kamping_Kaiser> Chameleon22: not a lot. spinning a beatles cd (blasted poms ;D)
[01:28] <after8> 18 years and we win it once..... have to wait to see if this is consistent
[01:28] <Kamping_Kaiser> and discovering someone ehre just won hte ashes :S
[01:28] <after8> March-RX8:  you're running on a PPC? how are you finding breezy ?
[01:29] <Chameleon22> we lost!
[01:29] <Chameleon22> hell is oficially frozen!
[01:29] <n01> bye guys I must leave!
[01:29] <Kamping_Kaiser> Chameleon22: yeh :S
[01:29] <n01> see ya
[01:30] <Kamping_Kaiser> n01: later mate
[01:30] <nalioth> after8: you dont want to ask me how i find breezy?
[01:30] <after8> yeah, but guys...... it was a very good series... even if Oz beat Eng it would have been a stormer for both teams.
[01:30] <March-RX8> what do u mean after8 ?
[01:30] <Chameleon22> where you from Kamping_Kaiser ?
[01:30] <after8> nalioth:  U R l33t l1nux u$3r :D
[01:30] <Kamping_Kaiser> from Tas, in SA (both aust )
[01:30] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[01:30] <Chameleon22> me in VIC
[01:30] <nalioth> after8: so you only pick on unknown users?
[01:30] <after8> March-RX8:  cos nalioth uses it too, and is happy with each step closer to the stable version.....
[01:30] <Kamping_Kaiser> *gasp* 
[01:31] <March-RX8> i dont mind it
[01:31] <Chameleon22> Kamping_Kaiser, dont gasp, its not your fault you from tazzy 
[01:31] <Chameleon22> ;)
[01:31] <March-RX8> i actually prefer mandriva based systems
[01:31] <Kamping_Kaiser> Chameleon22: you share a phone code with the inbreds.... i remember now :P
[01:31] <Kamping_Kaiser> ;)
[01:31] <Chameleon22> lol
[01:31] <March-RX8> but i havent found one working properly on a ppc
[01:32] <March-RX8> what should i install to move pic from camera to pc?
[01:32] <nalioth> March-RX8: yellowdog linux is the furthest you're gonna get to "working properly" on ppc
[01:32] <Kamping_Kaiser> yellowdog still maintained?
[01:32] <March-RX8> too many cds to burn
[01:32] <nalioth> March-RX8: if you can stand the redhat hell, that is
[01:33] <nalioth> March-RX8: there is a dvd image
[01:33] <March-RX8> yes
[01:33] <March-RX8> but ibook g3 dont read dvds
[01:33] <March-RX8> *doesnt
[01:33] <nalioth> Kamping_Kaiser: still maintained? hell yes, and they're fixin to start manufacturing their own hardware since apple is abandoning them
[01:33] <nalioth> March-RX8: my ibook g3 does
[01:33] <Kamping_Kaiser> jeees ok.
[01:33] <March-RX8> really?
[01:33] <Kamping_Kaiser> i thought it died :$
[01:33] <March-RX8> my one hav just cd reader
[01:34] <March-RX8> no dvd drive
[01:34] <nalioth> March-RX8: find a friend with a f/w dvd drive
[01:35] <March-RX8> i'll keep kubuntu :)
[01:38] <after8> damn proxy de merde!
[01:44] <after8> nalioth:  arent you usually in bed at this time??
[01:44] <Kamping_Kaiser> !backports
[01:44] <ubotu> Add "deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-backports main universe multiverse restricted" to /etc/apt/sources.list.  More info @ https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBackports
[01:45] <Kamping_Kaiser> ta
[01:45] <thoreauputic> after8: the war against bots knows no night!
[01:48] <Kamping_Kaiser> are other ppl having problems with backports?
[01:49] <nalioth> after8: are you trying to get rid of me?
[01:50] <after8> hehehe
[01:50] <after8> not at all...
[01:51] <nalioth> after8: btw, even tho my nick says _zZz, that doesnt mean anything
[01:51] <G|Patrick> hi
[01:52] <G|Patrick> are there reposotories for amarok 1.3.1?
[01:52] <G|Patrick> !amarok
[01:52] <ubotu> I guess amarok is a music player for Linux and Unix with an intuitive interface. See http://amarok.kde.org ; amaroK's features: http://amarok.kde.org/content/view/51/1/
[01:52] <nalioth> grsstig!
[01:52] <nalioth> apokryphos: howdy stranger
[01:52] <apokryphos> Hey, how's it going?
[01:54] <nalioth> apokryphos: are you saying breezy whupped ya?
[01:54] <apokryphos> nalioth: nope -- been on holiday. Just came back; I'm behind. 8)
[01:54] <nalioth> apokryphos: ah
[01:55] <apokryphos> Barcelona. Really amazing time. :)
[01:56] <nalioth> apokryphos: what happens in Vegas, stays in Vegas
[01:56] <nalioth> lol
[01:56] <apokryphos> 8)
[01:56] <apokryphos> nalioth: what else has been 'appening here?
[01:56] <nalioth> apokryphos: bot swarms
[01:57] <nalioth> trolls
[01:57] <apokryphos> :/
[01:57] <nalioth> usual stuff
[01:57] <apokryphos> Didn't miss to much then, cool.
[01:58] <thoreauputic> hey, apokryphos ! welcome back :)
[01:59] <apokryphos> thoreauputic: aloha! How've ya been?
[01:59] <thoreauputic> apokryphos: oh, same ol' same ol' ;-)
[02:00] <nalioth> apokryphos: thoreauputic has been terrible while you were gone
[02:00] <nalioth> apokryphos: he's been repressing folks right and left
[02:01] <apokryphos> That dark horse!
[02:02] <apokryphos> thoreauputic: definitely works ;-)
[02:03] <thoreauputic> apokryphos: actually of course , I'm innocent as a lamb 
[02:13] <mendred> hi i upgraded to breezy a couple of days back..
[02:13] <mendred> feels good and snappy
[02:13] <mendred> but a couple of problems
[02:13] <mendred> when i plugin my ipod
[02:13] <mendred> it doesn't appear on the desktop
[02:13] <mendred> nemore
[02:13] <mendred> it used to work with hoary
[02:14] <nalioth_zZz> mendred: breezy is broken until oct 13
[02:14] <mendred> hokay
[02:16] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[02:16] <Kamping_Kaiser> i love the acceptance
[02:16] <mendred> well..this isn't that big a deal since i can still mount my ipod manually
[02:17] <mendred> Kamping_Kaiser: So i am not protesting :)
[02:17] <Kamping_Kaiser> :) cool
[02:26] <after8> mendr
[02:26] <after8> oops
[02:29] <dominik> hi
[02:32] <apokryphos> hi
[02:46] <hiasl> hi! somebody know a program for kde similar to the update-notifier?
[02:47] <G|Patrick> bye... :(
[02:54] <blackflag> new day, new "hello all :-)"
[02:54] <Kamping_Kaiser> dapper drake :o this will own
[02:55] <blackflag> I have a question about TCP/IP
[02:55] <blackflag> When I send packages than there are timestamps in it
[02:55] <blackflag> What this timestamps mean?
[02:56] <blackflag> ARE there GMT Or what?
[02:56] <Kamping_Kaiser> not sure. local time i expect
[02:56] <blackflag> Or is it about synchronisation
[02:56] <blackflag> between to nodes
[02:57] <Kamping_Kaiser> *shrug*
[02:57] <helpme> anyone knows how to use scrapbook ext in firefox?
[02:58] <blackflag> and /or time to live?
[03:01] <blackflag> no TCP/IP eperts here? Can someone give me a good address to ask such question?
[03:01] <Kamping_Kaiser> try looking for orialys book ;) thats probably able to explain all
[03:01] <blackflag> hmm, good idea!
[03:02] <drasch> oreilly 
[03:03] <Kamping_Kaiser> thanks drasch :)
[03:03] <drasch> Kamping_Kaiser: i realize spelling is optional in IRC, but it makes it much easier to google :)
[03:04] <Kamping_Kaiser> yeh, i couldnt remember how it was spelled :)
[03:08] <blackflag> here to the one who is interessting in:
[03:08] <blackflag> http://www.networksorcery.com/enp/protocol/tcp/option008.htm
[03:16] <blackflag> but I dont understand where the timestamps comming from
[03:16] <blackflag> there must be a source
[03:17] <setite> what are the repos to update kde or kubuntu desktop
[03:17] <apokryphos> !kde342
[03:17] <ubotu> from memory, kde342 is at http://kubuntu.org/hoary-kde-342.php
[03:19] <setite> are those only 32bit?
[03:19] <setite> W: Couldn't stat source package list http://kubuntu.org hoary-updates/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/kubuntu.org_hoary-kde342_dists_hoary-updates_main_binary-amd64_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
[03:19] <setite> W: Couldn't stat source package list ftp://bolugftp.uni-bonn.de hoary-updates/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/bolugftp.uni-bonn.de_pub_kde_stable_3.4.2_kubuntu_dists_hoary-updates_main_binary-amd64_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
[03:19] <setite> W: Couldn't stat source package list http://www.mirrorservice.org hoary-updates/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/www.mirrorservice.org_sites_ftp.kde.org_pub_kde_stable_3.4.2_kubuntu_dists_hoary-updates_main_binary-amd64_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
[03:19] <setite> W: Couldn't stat source package list http://mirror.cc.columbia.edu hoary-updates/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/mirror.cc.columbia.edu_pub_software_kde_stable_3.4.2_kubuntu_dists_hoary-updates_main_binary-amd64_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
[03:19] <Kamping_Kaiser> dont do that again setite
[03:20] <apokryphos> dam these commands ;-)
[03:21] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol.
[03:21] <Kamping_Kaiser> setite: when pasting use pastebin
[03:27] <Kamping_Kaiser> !gmplayer
[03:27] <ubotu> Wish i knew, Kamping_Kaiser
[03:27] <Kamping_Kaiser> m.
[03:27] <Kamping_Kaiser> !mplayer
[03:27] <ubotu> I guess mplayer is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MplayerInstallHowto.  For compiling, see: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=31061
[04:01] <apokryphos> mornfall: hey, you here?
[04:02] <mornfall> apokryphos: here
[04:02] <mornfall> sup?
[04:02] <apokryphos> mornfall: Hi :). Just checked adept beta2.. first thing I noticed: should package info etc expand upon click? Doesn't seem like the expected behaviour
[04:02] <after8> apokryphos:  i bet they updated the packet once i started d/ling
[04:03] <apokryphos> could be
[04:03] <mornfall> apokryphos: yeah, too many people cried they want it
[04:03] <apokryphos> oh :/
[04:03] <after8> one thing mornfall .... can't you have it showing list of files and where it installs, like synaptic (sorry for swearing!!)
[04:09] <mornfall> after8: file a wishlist, but not in 1.0
[04:10] <mornfall> apokryphos: i'll think about the default behaviour, but most users seem to be happy about open-on-click
[04:10] <apokryphos> mornfall: it's better to please the masses, if that's what they want, probably.
[04:11] <after8> but masses suck, all the same
[04:11] <after8> bye all
[04:18] <ubuntu> lu*
[04:18] <Kamping_Kaiser> o_0
[04:29] <drasch> anyone have suggestions on where to look for the two OSD's showing up when changing volume on my thinkpad in Kubuntu Breezy (wasn't happening in Hoary)
[04:30] <Borg^Queen> Hi people I'm trying to find the faq url for ubuntu. Does anyone know it? I've been to the site but I can't find a link.
[04:31] <apokryphos> Borg^Queen: did you even google?
[04:32] <Borg^Queen> apokryphos: I think we have been through this before. I always google before I ask.
[04:32] <Borg^Queen> You have a short memory don't you.
[04:33] <apokryphos> I'm sorry if I don't reach the presumption of Google not working
[04:33] <apokryphos> my memory is generally ok, but if you hanged around in IRC at all you'd know hundreds pass through everyday; evidently, I'm not going to remember every conversation with each person
[04:34] <fluffybunny_> i hav ejust installed KDE, and am playing with all the new applets, etc --> the removable media applet has no option for usb drives, and nothing pops up when I plug my drive in... help?
[04:34] <Borg^Queen> I think you would remember that one. You were very rude.
[04:34] <Borg^Queen> I certainly remember it.
[04:34] <apokryphos> fluffybunny_: does it work if you mount it manually?
[04:34] <apokryphos> Borg^Queen: I remember your name, but no recollection of any conversation we had. Don't take it personally.
[04:35] <Borg^Queen> I don't. I just don't like repeating steps. 
[04:35] <apokryphos> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/faqfolder_view
[04:36] <fluffybunny_> apokryphos: i can mount in in a terminal window... if thats what you mean
[04:38] <apokryphos> Kind of wondering how you'd miss that if you "googled". You're meant to type keywords in a search engine; hence, ubuntu faq in this scenario. And alas! First link.
[04:38] <Borg^Queen> That's not the faq I was looking for.
[04:39] <Borg^Queen> It if had been the simple, I wouldn't have asked.
[04:39] <Borg^Queen> My time is being wasted here.
[04:39] <Kamping_Kaiser> Borg^Queen: yes it is
[04:39] <Kamping_Kaiser> i wonder why 
[04:39] <thoreauputic> Borg^Queen: you aren't being terribly clear then, sorry
[04:39] <Kamping_Kaiser> because you cant ask the question right
[04:39] <Borg^Queen> Nah, its the day people
[04:39] <thoreauputic> Borg^Queen: what did you *actually* mean ?
[04:40] <fluffybunny_> she left
[04:40] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol. you think fluffybunny_ ? ;)
[04:40] <thoreauputic> heh - another one who blames others for their own vagueness
[04:41] <fluffybunny_> i know what its like to get frustrated, but bite your tongue, in my opinion, when you are asking for help, don't you think?
[04:41] <fluffybunny_> Kamping_Kaiser: ;)
[04:41] <apokryphos> Some people have the preconception that they can demand help in some way
[04:41] <thoreauputic> apokryphos: "I want the FAQ - but not *that* FAQ!" <---- telepathy failure on our part I guess
[04:41] <apokryphos> and that if you fail to please them, then you should be damned! =)
[04:41] <fluffybunny_> so... cheesy grin, can anyone help with my issues? usb automounting, that is ...
[04:42] <Kamping_Kaiser> apokryphos: its more that people think they asked the right question and dont understand why these idiots cant find it for them ;)
[04:42] <apokryphos> thoreauputic: gotta adjust my telepathic antennas, definitely.
[04:42] <Kamping_Kaiser> fluffybunny_: lol
[04:42] <apokryphos> heh
[04:43] <Kamping_Kaiser> fluffybunny_: im afraid i cant. i dont use kde
[04:43] <fluffybunny_> i'm thinking of a problem.... guess...
[04:43] <thoreauputic> apokryphos: dpkg-reconfigure psychic-bot-recall
[04:43] <thoreauputic> ;)
[04:43] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[04:43] <apokryphos> fluffybunny_: apologies, I know little about HAL and how media ioslave works in general. :/
[04:43] <apokryphos> thoreauputic: doesn't work...
[04:43] <eolo> hallo all!
[04:43] <ubuntu> hello
[04:43] <apokryphos> Ah, I need to sudo :P
[04:44] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi
[04:44] <thoreauputic> fluffybunny_: I don't know the problem, but the answer is 42
[04:44] <fluffybunny_> apokryphos: no more HAL errors since I switched to KDE this morning, just that my usb doesn't automount
[04:44] <thoreauputic> ;)
[04:44] <apokryphos> fluffybunny_: what kde version are you on?
[04:44] <fluffybunny_> thoreauputic: yellow...
[04:44] <eolo> Someone can tell me how to add fluxbox to kdm session options?
[04:44] <papercarbon> Hi folks, I need help
[04:44] <fluffybunny_> apokryphos: how would I check version?
[04:44] <Kamping_Kaiser> eolo: have you installed fluxbox?
[04:45] <eolo> yes kamping
[04:45] <Kamping_Kaiser> papercarbon: ask then, dont just anounce it :D
[04:45] <apokryphos> fluffybunny_: if you're in konversation, type something like /exec kdeversion  now :P, if not: kde-config --version   ...in konsole
[04:46] <eolo> Kamping???
[04:46] <apokryphos> eolo: thoreauputic is probably the one you want to ask, but I'd guess you need to add a fluxbox.desktop entry
[04:47] <thoreauputic> problem is I use gdm, so the entries for kdm I don't know...
[04:47] <Kamping_Kaiser> mmm. all i know is you have to hack something :/
[04:47] <fluffybunny_> apokryphos: KDE 3.4.0
[04:47] <eolo> but .desktop is not only a "show icon" matter
[04:47] <thoreauputic> eolo: if it's the ubuntu package of fluxbox, it should add an entry
[04:47] <apokryphos> fluffybunny_: are you on i386?
[04:47] <eolo> ??
[04:47] <kinfo> what?
[04:48] <apokryphos> eolo: what?
[04:48] <eolo> it's not the ubuntu package, it' 0.9.13 the last stable
[04:48] <fluffybunny_> apokryphos: i586 (I think: Pentium Celeron 2.6 Ghz)
[04:48] <apokryphos> eolo: did you restart X? Not sure if you'd have to. If not, we can just create a .desktop entry easily
[04:48] <eolo> how
[04:48] <apokryphos> fluffybunny_: ok -- go for kde 3.4.2
[04:49] <thoreauputic> eolo: so you compiled it, right? And you want an entry - what about using ~/,xsession and choosing the default system session ?
[04:49] <fluffybunny_> apokryphos: but i just downloaded the latest available version from the package manager?
[04:49] <apokryphos> !kde342
[04:49] <ubotu> well, kde342 is at http://kubuntu.org/hoary-kde-342.php
[04:49] <apokryphos> check that =)
[04:50] <apokryphos> eolo: one sec
[04:50] <fluffybunny_> apokryphos: I am worried that it may not be KDE - I may have broken something (I was playin around with my boot sequences... i think i messed up)
[04:50] <eolo> i opened xsession but i'm not shure of what to do
[04:50] <apokryphos> fluffybunny_: :/
[04:50] <thoreauputic> eolo: for gdm the directory for entries is /usr/share/xsessions, but for kdm I don't know...
[04:50] <thoreauputic> eolo: dot xsession ( ~/.xsession)
[04:51] <apokryphos> thoreauputic: I don't think you can use that, actually. KDM is systemwide
[04:51] <eolo> ok found kde.desktop
[04:51] <thoreauputic> eolo: all you actually need in .xsession is the word "startfluxbox" (without quotes)
[04:51] <eolo> it's enough i add fluxbox.desktop?
[04:51] <thoreauputic> apokryphos: it doesn't respect .xsession?
[04:51] <thoreauputic> eolo: no that doesn't do it
[04:51] <apokryphos> thoreauputic: I mean, that wouldn't put it in the kdm listing, I don't think.
[04:52] <apokryphos> oh, that other way, it could work. Not sure.
[04:52] <thoreauputic> apokryphos: right - but the default session doesn't exist? I think it does
[04:52] <eolo> ok i found /usr/share/xsessions
[04:52] <thoreauputic> eolo: If that works for kdm, use an existing file as a temlate
[04:53] <thoreauputic> *template
[04:53] <fluffybunny_> are kubuntu repositories different from the standard?
[04:53] <Kamping_Kaiser> fluffybunny_: generaly no
[04:53] <Kamping_Kaiser> exept theres a few extras
[04:53] <thoreauputic> and call startfluxbox from the exec line
[04:53] <eolo> ok i'll try for some minutes and be back, thanks thoreauputic
[04:53] <Kamping_Kaiser> for that recent one (x.x.2)
[04:53] <apokryphos> fluffybunny_: nope, but the kde 3.4.2 was. In future I think kde updates will be in backports
[04:53] <thoreauputic> eolo: OK - good luck then
[04:54] <fluffybunny_> apokryphos: cool, thanks - updating now
[04:55] <fluffybunny_> !i386
[04:55] <ubotu> fluffybunny_: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
[04:57] <fluffybunny_> this room is konsiderably quieter than #ubuntu
[04:57] <thoreauputic> fluffybunny_: 95 here, 400 in #ubuntu
[04:57] <fluffybunny_> thoreauputic: yes, i see...
[04:58] <fluffybunny_> so, while i am waiting for KDE to update - how do I small my desktop icons smaller?
[04:58] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[04:58] <apokryphos> fluffybunny_: indeed. There's several reasons :P
[04:58] <thoreauputic> this is a nice place to get one's sanity back after hours of battling bots and trolls ;)
[04:58] <apokryphos> fluffybunny_: small your desktop icons?
[04:58] <fluffybunny_> apokryphos: doh! too ... much.... computer.... 
[04:59] <fluffybunny_> apokryphos: make my icon smaller, i meant ;)
[04:59] <apokryphos> fluffybunny_: kcontrol  -- can alter icon-size from there
[04:59] <fluffybunny_> apokryphos: aha!
[04:59] <thoreauputic> * News flash! New verb -- "to small" ! nice coinage ! :D
[05:01] <fluffybunny_> thoreauputic: thanks... i pride myself on the misuse and abuse of the english language
[05:01] <thoreauputic> fluffybunny_: you are a true believer! " konsiderably " is clearly the KDE version <j/k>
[05:02] <thoreauputic> :)
[05:03] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[05:03] <Kamping_Kaiser> "i pride myself on the misuse and abuse of the english language" your on irc damit ;)
[05:04] <Chousuke> You know, verbing nouns and the like.
[05:04] <Chousuke> thoreauputic: I could actually do that :P
[05:05] <thoreauputic> :))
[05:05] <fluffybunny_> kwite 
[05:05] <fluffybunny_> ;)
[05:05] <Chousuke> every mac application is able to use the built-in spell checker.
[05:05] <thoreauputic> fluffybunny_ is kwik and kunning
[05:05] <Chousuke> which is slightly annoying if I'm talking colloquial Finnish :P
[05:06] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[05:06] <Kamping_Kaiser> the iKnow ;)
[05:06] <Chousuke> colloquial English doesn't really break spell checkers, but with finnish the spell checker fails every time :(
[05:07] <Kamping_Kaiser> use a real language :P
[05:07] <Kamping_Kaiser> assembly :D
[05:07] <thoreauputic> Chousuke: English spell checkers break English, in my experience :)
[05:08] <Chousuke> Perhaps.
[05:08] <Kamping_Kaiser> thoreauputic: thats because your always using the wrong english for the job :)
[05:08] <thoreauputic> Grammar checkers are hilarious...
[05:08] <Kamping_Kaiser> thats the problem with it
[05:08] <Chousuke> thoreauputic: grammar checkers fail i.
[05:09] <Chousuke> it* even
[05:09] <thoreauputic> Kamping_Kaiser: Sir, I have an Honour Degree in English Literature :)
[05:09] <thoreauputic> Honours even... *G*
[05:09] <fluffybunny_> thoreauputic: isn't that Honours?
[05:09] <Kamping_Kaiser> i just finished school ;P
[05:09] <thoreauputic> indeed
[05:09] <apokryphos> hehe
[05:09] <thoreauputic> I also have the worst typing technique in the known Universe
[05:09] <Kamping_Kaiser> Chousuke: niether :P
[05:10] <Chousuke> Still it feels like I use English more than Finnish.
[05:10] <Chousuke> Weird, considering I live in Finland.
[05:12] <thoreauputic> apokryphos: Even Middle English, as I know :)
[05:12] <apokryphos> thoreauputic: haven't for some time =)
[05:12] <thoreauputic> fluffybunny_: a kute kliche with fluffy bits ?
[05:14] <Chousuke> Old English is fuxed.
[05:15] <fluffybunny_> thoreauputic: yea and verily
[05:15] <Chousuke> It has some things in common with Finnish.
[05:15] <Chousuke> Except its pronunciation seems to be nicely inconsistent.
[05:16] <eolo> back again!
[05:16] <thoreauputic> eolo: any luck?
[05:16] <eolo> Didn't worked
[05:16] <thoreauputic> hmm
[05:16] <thoreauputic> eolo: you used /usr/share/xsessions ?
[05:17] <thoreauputic> eolo: I think the kdm config must use something else
[05:17] <eolo> i've to understand the architecture: where kdm go to look for xsessions type to display them on graphical login options?
[05:17] <eolo> sorry for my english
[05:18] <thoreauputic> eolo: you'll have to dig I fear - I know only gdm for this
[05:18] <eolo> tell me about gdm
[05:18] <thoreauputic> eolo: I found out the hard way
[05:18] <eolo> hard!!
[05:18] <eolo> ??
[05:18] <kinfo> i don't understand.
[05:18] <thoreauputic> eolo: gdm uses the directory I mentioned
[05:18] <thoreauputic> eolo: hard = difficult
[05:19] <eolo> and what he does?
[05:19] <eolo> tell me the hard way
[05:19] <thoreauputic> eolo: gdm? It's the gnome login screen 
[05:20] <fluffybunny_> noooooooo...... my kustom panel disappeared with my upgrade... oh well, more fun playing with applets
[05:20] <thoreauputic> if you want to use kdm you'll have to find the directory where it hides its config for logins
[05:20] <eolo> i try surfing web....
[05:26] <fluffybunny_> ooo, not good: klicked on konqueror, klicked removable media: An error occurred while loading media:/: ---> Could not start process Unable to create io-slave: --->  klauncher said: Error loading 'kio_media'.
[05:28] <zAo^> where is the Kmenu icon located?
[05:29] <fluffybunny_> zAo^: who, me?
[05:30] <zAo^> ehh, to everyone :)
[05:30] <fluffybunny_> uhm... bottom left?
[05:30] <fluffybunny_> i am going to reboot, see if that fixes m y removable storage issues
[05:30] <zAo^> duhh :) I mean the icon itself; need to replace it :)
[05:31] <Kamping_Kaiser> i expect /usr/ somewhere, but ask a geek wehre exactly :(
[05:31] <spiral> hi
[05:31] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi
[05:31] <Sputn1k> how to fix this error? http://img374.imageshack.us/img374/524/nuotrauka38xh.png
[05:32] <thoreauputic> zAo^: somewhere like /usr/share/icons I expect
[05:32] <Kamping_Kaiser> thanks thoreauputic ;)
[05:32] <thoreauputic> Kamping_Kaiser: not that I'm a geek ;-)
[05:33] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol. of course not :)
[05:33] <thoreauputic> :D
[05:33] <zAo^> :)
[05:34] <blackflag> ha someone an idea how I can do websites migration from IIS to apache?
[05:34] <blackflag> with php and mysql?
[05:34] <Kamping_Kaiser> scp should do the pages :)
[05:34] <thoreauputic> Kamping_Kaiser: too late - my therapist says I'm nuts ;-)
[05:34] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol. 
[05:35] <Kamping_Kaiser> blackflag: i dont know about the details of MySQL and IIS, so i cant give any good help
[05:35] <thoreauputic> Kamping_Kaiser: of course, he has a severe perceptual disorder ;)
[05:36] <blackflag> but you have an idea between IIS and apache?
[05:36] <Kamping_Kaiser> ;) of course. but i hate to break it to you -  the walls realy are not purple
[05:36] <Kamping_Kaiser> blackflag: yeh, ones opensource. what do you need to know as such? what are you moving? how many sites? pages?
[05:37] <fluffybunny_> ok, so i've rebooted, and I can klick on removable storage in konqueror but alas, woe is me - no usb drive...
[05:37] <blackflag> only 10 websites including forums (phpbb)
[05:38] <fluffybunny_> :(
[05:38] <Kamping_Kaiser> blackflag: i have no deep undertanding of the stuff involved, but i dont see why it cant be done with a few striat forward steps... then some panic when it breaks :)
[05:38] <blackflag> :-)
[05:38] <Kamping_Kaiser> :D
[05:39] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol. your nto a geek, and niether is thoreauputic :P
[05:39] <Kamping_Kaiser>  lmao
[05:40] <Kamping_Kaiser> you can go back to sucking satans cock fi you want ;D
[05:40] <thoreauputic> fluffybunny_: hahah - ah, but you will be a learned guru before you know it!
[05:40] <Kamping_Kaiser> learn to realy hate :)
[05:41] <Kamping_Kaiser> use gnome ;)
[05:41] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol. fluffybunny_
[05:41] <Kamping_Kaiser> no, lfs is worse
[05:41] <fluffybunny_> Kamping_Kaiser: i broke gnome
[05:41] <Kamping_Kaiser> no package management at all :D
[05:41] <Kamping_Kaiser> :o your evil
[05:43] <Kamping_Kaiser> thoreauputic: where does one edit the logout system so when you exit a sudo -s it runs sudo -k?
[05:43] <Kamping_Kaiser> :/ duct tape?
[05:43] <fluffybunny_> say, what is an "average geek" anyway?
[05:43] <thoreauputic> Kamping_Kaiser: I haven't the faintest idea 
[05:43] <Kamping_Kaiser> male 
[05:43] <Kamping_Kaiser> thoreauputic:  :/ useless :P
[05:43] <fluffybunny_> Kamping_Kaiser: ah... yes, there is a dearth of geekesses...
[05:44] <Kamping_Kaiser> heh
[05:44] <thoreauputic> Kamping_Kaiser: I wouldn't want anyone thinking I was a geek ;-0
[05:44] <Kamping_Kaiser> :)
[05:45] <fluffybunny_> so... no takers on the usb problem? no-one out there up for a challenge? where are all the hardcore linux power users to help a fluffy bunny?
[05:45] <Kamping_Kaiser> fluffybunny_: i havent *used* kde for about 18 months.
[05:45] <Kamping_Kaiser> that was mandrake 9.2
[05:46] <thoreauputic> fluffybunny_: *real* hardcore powerusers don't use USB - they use punch cards and teletypes ;)
[05:46] <Kamping_Kaiser> becaues they dont need more help in #ubuntu. and im usualy kamping there as well :)
[05:46] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[05:47] <fluffybunny_> :)
[05:47] <Kamping_Kaiser> oh crap. another 113m of updates :/
[05:47] <fluffybunny_> i'm going to nip into #ubuntu and see if they can help there...
[05:47] <Kamping_Kaiser> *shuts down mirror and goes to bed*
[05:47] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[05:47] <Kamping_Kaiser> fluffybunny_: good luck , but warning
[05:48] <fluffybunny_> ?
[05:48] <Kamping_Kaiser> you may be flamed for using kde in #ubuntu
[05:48] <fluffybunny_> hmmm, how to get help without mentioning kde...
[05:48] <Kamping_Kaiser> fluffybunny_: give it a try. 
[05:48] <Kamping_Kaiser> its just sometimes people are having a bad day :/
[05:48] <apokryphos> Heh, nah, you'll be alright. Easy to combat them ;-)
[05:48] <thoreauputic> Kamping_Kaiser: no just the revolving door *ask in #kubuntu*
[05:49] <Kamping_Kaiser> just as im having a bad 1:20 am
[05:49] <Kamping_Kaiser> thoreauputic: yeh, that as well
[05:49] <fluffybunny_> yes, thats how i wound up here in the first place...
[05:49] <apokryphos> fluffybunny_: which problem? 
[05:49] <fluffybunny_> apokryphos: no automount
[05:49] <apokryphos> if you're talking about the autodetection, #kde is probably better
[05:50] <apokryphos> #kubuntu is the best of course, in theory; but if no-one here can help..
[05:50] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol. revolving door anyone ;)
[05:50] <fluffybunny_> ok...
[05:51] <Kamping_Kaiser> night loves ;P
[05:57] <Budda^windoze> does someone know if its possible to change the kdm background from the console?
[06:00] <apokryphos> fluffybunny_: is the HAL daemon running?
[06:05] <fluffybunny_> apokryphos: i'm not sure --> i keep getting HAL! failed to initialise when I log into Gnome, no such error on kde...
[06:05] <apokryphos> hm
[06:05] <apokryphos> fluffybunny_: can you pastebin the output of ps aux|grep hal ?
[06:06] <thoreauputic> Question: who was the greater genius, BAch or Mozart ?
[06:07] <thanish> hi frens
[06:08] <fluffybunny_> apokryphos: hal       8186  0.1  2.4   7360  5860 ?        Ss   17:34   0:02 /usr/sbin/hald --drop-privileges
[06:08] <fluffybunny_> apokryphos: amanda    9741  0.0  0.2   2952   588 pts/1    S+   18:07   0:00 grep hal
[06:08] <thanish> current;y using kubuntu.... but want to switch to gnome... how to do it frens??
[06:08] <fluffybunny_> hey~! it was only two lines!!
[06:08] <thoreauputic> fluffybunny_: hey - Ihave to use my custom lart now and again! *grin*
[06:09] <thanish> current;y using kubuntu.... but want to switch to gnome... how to do it frens??
[06:09] <fluffybunny_> :)
[06:09] <apokryphos> fluffybunny_: nothing else?
[06:09] <fluffybunny_> offtopic: can you create custom commands like that in gaim?
[06:10] <fluffybunny_> apokryphos: nothing else - unless I should have sudo'ed it?
[06:10] <apokryphos> nope
[06:10] <apokryphos> Still, looks like it is running. Are you on hoary?
[06:10] <fluffybunny_> apokryphos: yes
[06:21] <Budda^windoze> argh....everytime i try to start kde it says that dcopserver isnt running even when i run it before starting kdm its closed after the error msg
[06:21] <Budda^windoze> anyone got a solution?
[06:33] <eolo> OK guys i did it!!!
[06:33] <eolo> and it was very easy
[06:34] <apokryphos> cool =)
[06:34] <apokryphos> seems to me like GNOME are quite involved with producing bounties for things
[06:34] <eolo> you want to know?
[06:34] <apokryphos> some real interesting ones for SoC
[06:35] <apokryphos> eolo: sure
[06:36] <eolo> kde3 has a list of available sessions in /usr/share/apps/kdm/sessions
[06:37] <eolo> you have just to check your wm exists and modify the exec path in (your_win_manager).desktop
[06:37] <eolo> kdm checks for availability of that executable and if it exists it put an entry in session menu of kdm
[06:38] <eolo> not so clear?
[06:38] <apokryphos> ok, I see.
[06:39] <eolo> my problem was that my executable was in /usr/local/bin
[06:39] <eolo> not in /usr/share/bin
[06:39] <eolo> now I FLUX
[06:40] <foca> nassss
[06:40] <jjesse> any idea on why i can't authenticate correctly to my exchange server w/ evolution since i did an apt-get dist-upgrade from hoary to breezy?
[06:42] <jdef> I just installed kubuntu preview works beautifully how different will the final version be. 
[06:43] <Tm_T> jdef: bugfixes and polishing
[06:43] <Tm_T> I think
[06:44] <fluffybunny_> how do I open the control panel again?
[06:44] <thoreauputic> fluffybunny_: kcontrol
[06:44] <thoreauputic> fluffybunny_: from  a terminal that is...
[06:44] <fluffybunny_> thoreauputic: thanks
[06:45] <thoreauputic> fluffybunny_: that's kwite alright ;)
[06:45] <fluffybunny_> thoreauputic: 'kay...
[06:45] <thoreauputic> kwah?
[07:01] <Aapzak> aseigo: I was wondering if you use Skype over artsd and if you experience lots of delay?
[07:02] <Tm_T> oh, aseigo hi o/
[07:02] <buz> i there got a question
[07:03] <buz> why do i see the following in top: Mem:    906660k total, 
[07:03] <buz> when i have 1024mb and NOT shared video?
[07:03] <Aapzak> maybe mB/MB conversion?
[07:04] <buz> cant be it
[07:04] <Aapzak> maybe some memory is in use by kernel?
[07:04] <thoreauputic> buz: because you are using a 386 kernel
[07:04] <buz> ram, unlike hd, uses real MB
[07:04] <buz> thoreauputic: so using a 686 should help?
[07:04] <thoreauputic> buz: you need a 686 kernel or amd equivakent
[07:04] <buz> aaaaaaaaaaaah
[07:04] <thoreauputic> yes
[07:04] <buz> interesting :)
[07:04] <buz> i'll go install a k7 one then ;)
[07:04] <buz> (theorteitcally, this is amd64 anyhow but i dont want that trouble right now)
[07:05] <thoreauputic> 386 has a limit of ~~ 900MB
[07:05] <buz> ok
[07:05] <buz> that would explain it then
[07:05] <thoreauputic> apt-cache serch linux-image
[07:05] <thoreauputic> *search
[07:05] <buz> i know how to use synaptic thanks ;)
[07:05] <thoreauputic> but *don't* use 2.6.11
[07:05] <thoreauputic> OK
[07:05] <buz> i hope we get .14 in breezy
[07:05] <buz> i wanna use fuse
[07:06] <thoreauputic> 2.6.12 in breezy I think
[07:07] <hon> I am going to try breezy guys. do you suggest the latest snapshot dvd or the preview live cd?
[07:07] <buz> but no fuse in .12 right?
[07:08] <apokryphos> hon: you're on hoary currently?
[07:08] <apokryphos> dvd will give you the option to install, as well; so if you want that...
[07:08] <hon> I am using hoary now
[07:08] <apokryphos> you can do a straight apt-get to upgrade, but if you want to take a look at things then the LiveCD is great for that, sure.
[07:10] <hon> which one is better at this moment: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/dvd/
[07:10] <hon> or the preview?
[07:10] <hon> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/dvd/current/ is for Sept 12
[07:11] <hon> and the preview is a few days older
[07:11] <hon> now I am not sure which one to try
[07:14] <Tm_T> hon: preview would be my pick
[07:14] <hon> why?
[07:15] <hon> I mean did they break anything after the preview? ;)
[07:15] <buz> mhh 1gb ram now
[07:15] <buz> still need more
[07:15] <buz> *digsthruhardwarepile*
[07:16] <buz> damn no pc3200 ddr left
[07:16] <buz> only pc2700
[07:32] <Sith_Tux> how can i reconfigure my lcd screen?
[07:37] <author_psi> hi guys
[07:37] <zAo^> lo
[07:39] <apokryphos> Sith_Tux: you probably mean reconfigure your x -- you can use sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[07:48] <christian> habe Frage zu Operainstallation
[07:48] <OculusAquilae> christian: german irc-channel: #kubuntu-de
[07:50] <thomas> hello
[07:52] <thomas> can I use my own splashscreen in breezy?
[08:05] <libben> have u tried?
[08:06] <thomas> the splashscreen?
[08:06] <libben> yeah
[08:07] <thomas> it is in breezy, the package usplash
[08:15] <RogueJediX> Is anyone running breezy yet?
[08:15] <OculusAquilae> thomas: already tried Kfind
[08:15] <OculusAquilae> RogueJediX: yes
[08:15] <RogueJediX> How's Kaffeine? Is it fixed?
[08:16] <OculusAquilae> RogueJediX: hm don't know, haven't tried yet
[08:16] <johlin> hey guys! got kubuntu installed now
[08:16] <johlin> one problem though
[08:16] <OculusAquilae> RogueJediX: but there was a fixed package for hoary too
[08:17] <johlin> I can't open package manager, it says wrong password, but I enter the right one (I can do root commands via su with that password)
[08:17] <RogueJediX> Really? Must've missed it
[08:17] <johlin> and when starting kynaptic, I get this error:
[08:18] <johlin> root@johan:/home/johan # kynaptic
[08:18] <johlin> Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server
[08:18] <johlin> Xlib: No protocol specified
[08:18] <johlin> kynaptic: cannot connect to X server :0.0
[08:18] <OculusAquilae> RogueJediX: it was part of the kde 3.4.2 or 3.4.1 backports
[08:18] <RogueJediX> It must be 3.4.1 backports then, because I'm running 3.4.2 and it's still giving me lip
[08:19] <RogueJediX> Noatun isn't bad, though I really prefer Kaffeine
[08:26] <NetSkier> johlin: Your problem is with the X server.
[08:27] <NetSkier> You can work around this by opening up your x security before you su to root.
[08:27] <NetSkier> johlin:  'xhost local:root'  BEFORE you su or sudo to root.
[08:29] <NetSkier> oh well; guess you are gone.
[08:42] <johlin> NetSkier: Why should I do that? Just curious. Will that command make the package manager always work, or just temporary?
[08:46] <johlin> update on the problem, I cant
[08:46] <johlin> do any root-programs
[08:47] <johlin> for example, when running the control panel, I can't change the login.-stuff, when asked for password, I enter the right one, that works in a konsole, but it says that it is wrong
[09:03] <NetSkier> johlin: You do what I said to prevent what you said happened, namely: 
 Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server
 Xlib: No protocol specified
 kynaptic: cannot connect to X server :0.0
[09:04] <NetSkier> Root can not connect because you have not given root permission to connect yet.
 Root can not connect because you have not given root permission to connect yet.
[09:06] <johlin> okay
[09:07] <johlin> what do I do?
[09:07] <hydrogen> It's only g3etting worse..
[09:07] <hydrogen> 31748 hydrogen  15   0 1023m 854m  608 S  0.0 84.4  43:10.94 gam_server
[09:07] <NetSkier> johlin: do what I said above.  Exit out of root, run that command as your non-root user,then become root, and do whatever.
[09:09] <NetSkier> johlin: That command gives root permission to use the x-server owned by your non-root user.
[09:09] <johlin> still doesn't work :(
[09:10] <NetSkier> what error?
[09:10] <johlin> johan@johan:~$ xhost local:root
[09:10] <johlin> non-network local connections being added to access control list
[09:10] <NetSkier> that is not an error.
[09:10] <johlin> it does work from terminal window, as root, but not when executed from the menu
[09:11] <johlin> then it still says wrong password
[09:11] <NetSkier> what is 'it'?
[09:11] <johlin> what the password is?
[09:11] <NetSkier> Use complete sentences.
[09:12] <johlin> If I execute kynaptic from the kde-menu, then kde tells me that the password is incorrect, but if I execute kynaptic as root from konsole, then it works, with lots of warnings though (warnings in the konsole window)
[09:12] <johlin> (where the "it" is kynaptic)
[09:13] <hydrogen> johlin: its _your_ password, not roots
[09:13] <pc22> how do i add repositories in kubuntu?
[09:13] <hydrogen> in the kdialog
[09:13] <NetSkier> So, ok, this is a new error.  The X-server error went away.
[09:13] <pc22> where is it
[09:14] <johlin> Netskier: The passwords are the same for root and for my account, this worked in ubuntu. Is that what I am doing wrong?
[09:14] <NetSkier> I can not tell from what you have written.
[09:14] <johlin> so...what do you want me to write?
[09:15] <johlin> Sorry if I am not writing correctly. English is not my main language
[09:16] <NetSkier> Don't be concerned about the grammar; just be crystal clear.
[09:17] <NetSkier> johlin: what problem do you want to solve now?
[09:17] <johlin> okay. what info do you need? I can open kynaptic from a konsole-window, but then I get lots of warnings (but it's working correctly), but if I execute from the kde-menu, then my correct root-password seems to be wrong
[09:18] <NetSkier> johlin: I don't user package managers, so I am not the best person to help you with them.  I just use the underlying apt-get commands.  Tell me what you want to install,and I will tell you how to do it.
[09:19] <johlin> okay. thanks. I will try the kubuntu forum and see if someone can help me.
[09:19] <johlin> thanks for the effort anyway
[09:19] <NetSkier> I have a hunch about this.
[09:19] <johlin> huch means?
[09:19] <NetSkier> welcome.
[09:19] <NetSkier> hunch means a guess.
[09:20] <johlin> okay. guess?
[09:20] <NetSkier> I am a Debian guy, and new to Kubuntu.  I was shocked to find that root logins were not allowed from the x-login window.
[09:20] <NetSkier> and that I had no root password assigned.
[09:21] <johlin> yeah, that's wierd. but it's really meant as a beginner distro, but at least an option to disable this would be nice
[09:21] <NetSkier> So I fixed this by booting from the 'recovery mode' kernel, and then set the root password there.
[09:21] <johlin> and then root logins should be allowed+
[09:22] <NetSkier> Now I can create a console window, and then su to root from there, when I need to do sys admin work.
[09:22] <johlin> that's what I do when I need to root stuff. Isn't logging in as root kind of insecure anyway?
[09:22] <NetSkier> Perhaps this might be related to your problem trying to do root related things from the menu.  Just a guess.
[09:23] <johlin> maybe. I'll try the kubuntu forum
[09:23] <NetSkier> Depends on a lot of things.
[09:23] <johlin> but if you do wrong, you can mess things up, as root
[09:24] <NetSkier> Just don't run any vulnerable services, and stay behind a firewall, and you will be fairly safe, and don't insult anyone online,or they might hurt your system.
[09:24] <johlin> Do I need a firewall when running as non-root?
[09:24] <NetSkier> root is like driving a car; you can crash your car.
[09:24] <NetSkier> Firewall is always a good idea.
 root is like driving a car; you can crash your car. 
[09:24] <johlin> haha
[09:25] <NetSkier> Glad you laughed, but it is quite true.
[09:25] <NetSkier> But a lot cheaper to fix than your car.
[09:25] <johlin> yeah, I know. But I guess I will go for normal account for now. I don't need to do lost of root-things, and when I do, su will do
[09:26] <NetSkier> sudo is even better for that.
[09:26] <NetSkier> Keeps you from forgetting to log back out of root when you are done with it.
[09:26] <johlin> I always close down the terminal when I'm finished though. Guess it's a windows-thing
[09:27] <pc22> is kde good for new user of linux?
[09:27] <NetSkier> kde looks like windows, so I guess so.
[09:27] <johlin> when I began using linux, on slax then (a live cd), I really felt comfortable with kde
[09:28] <NetSkier> good for windows users; gnome might be better for mac users.
[09:28] <johlin> if you are a former windows\mac-user, then kde should be easy to use
[09:28] <apokryphos> I find it odd when people come to Linux and think it looks like windows. Some things, i.e. windows, are fairly standard. What did they expect?
[09:28] <NetSkier> windowmaker looks different than windows.
[09:28] <johlin> I expected just terminal windows everywhere, like dos, until I found out that time was moving forward
[09:29] <apokryphos> johlin: progress!
[09:29] <pc22> im moving from windows
[09:30] <johlin> yep. I felt stupid when I saw some really nice linux screenshots, always though it was like dos
[09:30] <pc22> i hate to go back. so i need all the support to stay ;)
[09:30] <johlin> me too, there is really good support for linux though, friendly people everywhere
[09:31] <pc22> johlin. youre new to linux?
[09:31] <johlin> I was using slax (live-cd) in the beginning of this year, but due to lilo-problems, I have been using windows until now, when I felt like I needed linux in some way
[09:32] <johlin> I've been using regular ubuntu for a month also
[09:32] <johlin> Windows will always be windows, and never changes much, but with linux, you can make it look the way you like
[09:32] <pc22> u have a network?
[09:32] <johlin> I do, but I haven't tried to acess it yet, I installed kubuntu one hour ago, so
[09:33] <pc22> i wanted to install printer from another ubuntu box
[09:33] <pc22> i dont know how to do it :(
[09:34] <johlin> another ubuntu box. I though you meant a windows-network.
[09:34] <johlin> But I think kubuntu should have network support, if you don't have firewalls on them, it should work
[09:34] <johlin> maybe you miss some packages
[09:35] <pc22> yeah im in a windows network but i started replacing them all with ubuntu box
[09:35] <johlin> you need the samba-packages as far as I know
[09:36] <johlin> they should be in the package manager, and apt-get install samba should work as well
[09:42] <stefano> hey does anyone of you guys speak french?
[09:42] <stefano> really important %)
[09:48] <froggy25> i need help plz
[09:49] <apokryphos> !helpme
[09:49] <ubotu> If you don't actually ask a question, we can not actually help you.
[09:49] <froggy25> i need to know how i can adjust my clock to show the time in 12 hr. mode
[09:49] <froggy25> not 24 hr. mode
[09:49] <froggy25> in the right timezone
[09:49] <froggy25> which is central
[09:49] <froggy25> how do you do this
[09:50] <froggy25> !clock
[09:50] <ubotu> Syntax error in line 1, froggy25
[09:50] <froggy25> !info clock
[09:50] <apokryphos> configure clock will give you option to change timezon
[09:50] <froggy25> ive done that
[09:50] <apokryphos> froggy25: please don't flood; to investigate with the bot you should be in /msg
[09:50] <froggy25> do what
[09:51] <froggy25> im not flooding
[09:51] <froggy25> im not a bot either
[09:51] <froggy25> and i dont use bots
[09:51] <froggy25> oh you mean ubotu
[09:51] <froggy25> sorry
[09:51] <froggy25> ok
[09:51] <froggy25> help me
[09:51] <apokryphos> froggy25: you *were* flooding. You made 7 posts in a row, without any reason.
[09:51] <apokryphos> !enter
[09:51] <ubotu> don't use the "enter" key as punctuation! It's annoying and spams the channel. Write in complete sentences and keep your replies and questions on one line if possible. Thanks!
[09:51] <froggy25> help me
[09:51] <froggy25> then
[09:52] <apokryphos> froggy25: you're giving practically zero information. 
[09:52] <apokryphos> did you change to the correct timezone?
[09:52] <froggy25> im using chicago timezone'
[09:52] <froggy25> but it says 13:52:53
[09:53] <froggy25> i want it to say 2:54:00
[09:53] <apokryphos> just change it, then 
[09:53] <froggy25> how
[09:53] <apokryphos> right click -> adjust date/time
[09:53] <froggy25> that doesnt work
[09:53] <apokryphos> it doesn't bring it up?
[09:53] <froggy25> i does
[09:53] <froggy25> i dont know how to use it
[09:54] <apokryphos> change the time it provides there
[09:54] <froggy25> but its in 24 hr. mode
[09:54] <froggy25> i want 12 hr. mode
[09:54] <apokryphos> I don't think you can switch to 12 hr. mode without getting an analog clock display
[09:55] <aseigo> sure you can
[09:55] <aseigo> go into the localization control panel and change the time representation
[09:57] <aseigo> oh, and if you need to know what the special characters are there, use the WhatsThis help
[10:00] <xuserx> I'm impressed
[10:00] <xuserx> The end.
[10:20] <Flying_Eagle> hi
[10:21] <nalioth_zZz> howdy
[10:21] <JeffAMcGee> howdy
[10:23] <pc12> hi
[10:23] <nalioth> howdy
[10:23] <pc12> any filipinos here??
[10:25] <manyakis> hi pepz
[10:27] <osh> Perhaps a stupid question, but why is firefox(browser) so dependant on gnome? 50% of the packages I see when I try to install it are gnome packages.
[10:28] <apokryphos> osh: the one in the repositories was built with gnome libs
[10:28] <froggy25> im trying to locate the system fonts for kubuntu
[10:28] <froggy25> where are they located
[10:28] <apokryphos> though it doesn't in theory need them -- they probably did it for a few extra gnome goodies
[10:28] <froggy25> apokryphos
[10:28] <froggy25> can you help me again
[10:28] <nalioth> froggy25: try /usr/share/ and look for fonts
[10:29] <froggy25> ok
[10:29] <froggy25> thanks nalioth
[10:29] <nalioth> froggy25: also, you can open a terminal and "locate *.ttf"
[10:29] <froggy25> oh yeah nalioth, has anyone else asked about baghira lately
[10:29] <froggy25> ok i will
[10:30] <nalioth> baghira?
[10:30] <froggy25> the mac os x theme for kde
[10:30] <osh> apokryphos: Ah. I think I see some gnome-stuff in firefox though. Lots of menus and stuff look very gnome-ish.
[10:30] <froggy25> oh ok
[10:31] <osh> I know I can theme it away (mostly) but I was curious about the reason why it is like this.
[10:31] <apokryphos> osh: You can get the one from the website which requires only gtk stuff
[10:31] <nalioth> osh: dont use ff, use galeon or epiphany or kazehakase instead
[10:33] <osh> apokryphos: the www.mozilla.org website? But don't I want a qt only ff?
[10:33] <apokryphos> there isn't a properly working one
[10:33] <osh> nalioth: Does the ff plugins work with those browsers? I know they are related but are they compatible?
[10:33] <nalioth> osh: the 3 browsers i mentioned ARE written with gtk, for gnome desktop use
[10:34] <nalioth> osh: yes, the plugins should work fine. you may need to manually install them
[10:34] <osh> nalioth: Actually what I was looking for was a qt-ff. I was curious why I needed all those gnome-libs when trying to install ff.
[10:35] <osh> nalioth: Sorry if I was unclear.
[10:35] <nalioth> osh: 3 words. "compile it yourself"
[10:37] <osh> nalioth: Well, yes, I've done that but it still requires gnome-libs. And compiling it is quite a feat actually. Not something you just do "./configure && make all" if I remember correctly.
[10:38] <jdef> Is there anyway to make gnome apps a more kde compatible look
[10:40] <Flying_Eagle> jdef, you mean the gtk-qt-engine?
[10:41] <jdef> flying_eagle, yes thx 
[10:41] <Flying_Eagle> np :)
[10:43] <nalioth> osh: nother reason to leave ff alone
[10:51] <jdef> flying_eagle, can I find it in the repositories
[10:51] <Flying_Eagle> yes
[10:51] <Flying_Eagle> apt-cache search qt gtk engine
[10:52] <farfa> lu
[11:03] <_robert> hi all
[11:05] <pogi> hi
[11:05] <_robert> I upgraded the libc6 from breezy because i needed the 2.6.12 kernel (for dvb-t - previous modules didn't work). Now in konsole no command prompt comes up. What can I do now? Is doing an apt-get dist-upgrade my only option?
[11:08] <osh> nalioth: But I like ff. I just wish it was a bit more qt-friendly.
[11:11] <RogueJediX> From what I gather there is a project going on to make Firefox a KDE app. Or was it integrating Gecko support into Konqueror? Can't remember
[11:11] <osh> RogueJediX: I think it was the latter...
[11:12] <apokryphos> RogueJediX: both, kind of.
[11:12] <apokryphos> Gecko as a possible html rendering engine in Konqueror is being worked on
[11:12] <apokryphos> but I think a little work is being still done on firefox-qt
[11:12] <RogueJediX> Nice
[11:13] <RogueJediX> Either is good
[11:13] <AMIGrAve> is it possible to use an audio CD iso image as if it was a cdrom device ? I tried to use the file path as the cdrom device in kaudiocreator but it doesn't work
[11:16] <smokencrack> hello all
[11:25] <carlos> oi
[11:26] <carlos> how to connect a hp printer kubuntu breezy?
[11:28] <jdef> carlos, settings and printers and follow the wizard my hp was set up in no time
[11:28] <smokencrack> how do you get cups started?
[11:28] <jdef> carlos, system settings and printers 
[11:29] <jdef> carlos, add printer
[11:30] <carlos> i have tried but no works (hp photosmart 1218)
[11:31] <ctw> hi! Is anybody here running the breezy preview on a HP Pavilon dv1000 laptop (or any other laptop) and has gotten suspend to disk and/or suspend to ram to work?
[11:31] <ctw> it looks like it worked in Hoary, but it's very buggy for me (will wake up briefly and immediately shut down again, or not wake up at all).
[11:33] <carlos> ctw: i have the same problem with a toshiba satellite pro, i think the problem is a bug in breezy 
[11:34] <ctw> thanks carlos ... do you know if a bug report has been filed?
[11:34] <ctw> any idea if that'll be fixed for the final version?
[11:35] <jdef> carlos,I see the printer in the wizard list
[11:35] <smokencrack> speaking of printers how do I get the print daemon running in kubuntu. I cannot get cups started. 
[11:36] <nalioth> ctw: suspend-to-disk, wakeup, etc are still kinda out there
[11:36] <carlos> i think no bug report but i hope the guys in final version fixed it):
[11:37] <ctw> nalioth, it worked on my old laptop (at least suspend to disk) and I've read reports that it worked out of the box with the dv1000 and Hoary
[11:37] <carlos> ctw:tks, i don t know the problem but the printer don t work...and they upgrade today hp printers
[11:38] <nalioth> ctw: i've personally never seen it work on any laptop
[11:38] <ctw> it's really usefull, I've seen it for the first time when I installed Hoary on a Compaq Presario 2700 ... I was very surprised and happy.
[11:39] <ctw> its such a useful feature
[11:39] <nalioth> yes it is
[11:41] <pc22> how do i add repository in kubuntu?
[11:41] <pc12> hi
[11:42] <carlos> pc 22:change hoary for breezy in sources.list it works with me
[11:42] <pc22> hi manyak
[11:42] <manyak> hilow
[11:42] <manyak> asl pls
[11:42] <pc22> where from?
[11:42] <manyak> phil
[11:42] <manyak> u?
[11:43] <manyak> hey
[11:43] <manyak> stil der?
[11:43] <pc22> yeah im here
[11:43] <pc22> phil
[11:44] <manyak> tlga 
[11:44] <manyak> san..
[11:44] <pc22> sa qc
[11:44] <pc22> u?>
[11:44] <manyak> ah
[11:44] <manyak> gensan
[11:44] <manyak> e
[11:44] <manyak> male po kau
[11:44] <manyak> 
[11:45] <pc22> 3 kami share sa isang comp
[11:45] <manyak> ok
[11:45] <manyak> bgo lng ako 
[11:45] <manyak> la ko
[11:45] <manyak> lam neto e
[11:45] <manyak> d pde cam d2 ano??
[11:45] <apokryphos> English only in here please.
[11:46] <smokencrack> racism
[11:46] <apokryphos> smokencrack: where?
[11:47] <pc22> how do i add repository in kubuntu?
[11:47] <manyak> pc22
[11:47] <smokencrack> "english only in here please". dont take it personal
[11:47] <manyak> san ka na
[11:47] <apokryphos> ubotu: tell pc22 about repositories
[11:47] <apokryphos> smokencrack: I think you need to get your terms sorted out ;-)
[11:48] <apokryphos> persons who speak a language is quite different to a race
[11:48] <smokencrack> I am not exactly a scholar, excuse prof.
[11:48] <manyak> sowe
[11:48] <smokencrack> excuse me prof. 
[11:48] <manyak> nka blocke ako e
[11:49] <apokryphos> smokencrack: though it's not like we're trying to supress other languages. There are other kubuntu channels -- see /topic
[11:49] <pc22> apokryphos: im using kde
[11:49] <apokryphos> manyak: I've already told you -- English only in here.
[11:49] <pc22> the instructions there is for gnome
[11:49] <manyak> ok
[11:49] <manyak> sorry sir
[11:49] <apokryphos> pc22: edit your /etc/apt/sources.list and add the new ones there
[11:49] <pc22> manyak pls speak englssih
[11:50] <manyak> small only
[11:50] <manyak> hihihih
[11:50] <jdef> pc22 get it here http://kudos.berlios.de/kf/vesaire/sources.list
[11:50] <jdef> pc22 change hoary to breezy where it occurs
[11:52] <pc22> jdef: you using breezy now?
[11:52] <jdef> pc22 yes
[11:53] <pc22> what could be the difference tothe brreezy that will be released on otober?
[11:54] <apokryphos> pc22: a few differences listed here: http://cs.georgefox.edu/~jdodson/breezy_preview/
[11:54] <jdef> pc22 this is the preview release main difference would be bugfixes and final touches nothing major
[11:54] <pc22> ahhh so we can update it
[11:55] <apokryphos> mind you, a lot of that is just gnome stuff =)
[11:55] <apokryphos> kde changes aren't *that* significant as it will unfortunately only have 3.4.2 
[11:56] <jdef> apokryphos 3.4.2 works great for me
[11:56] <pc22> what will be the difference if i use hoary and then just update it with synaptic
[11:56] <apokryphos> jdef: sure, but it's not 3.5 =)
[11:56] <apokryphos> pc22: officially, it's recommended that  you don't upgrade yet
[11:57] <jdef> apokryphos yeah I suppose 
[11:57] <pc22> tnx
[11:57] <jdef> pc22 I didn't update hoary I d/l kubuntu breezy preview
[11:59] <pc22> my exboyfriend is anxious to find out whats new.
[12:00] <pc22> i wonder if im the only girl here in this room