=== robitaille [n=robitail@p235-083.public.uvic.ca] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === Dre [n=Dre@cm3.sigma14.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === BenC [n=bcollins@216.144.233.50] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === rob^ [n=rob@pdpc/supporter/student/rob-ubuntu] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === fabbione [i=fabbione@195.22.207.162] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === robitaille [n=robitail@d154-5-117-228.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === fabbione_ [i=fabbione@195.22.207.163] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === Ivarix [i=ivarix@62.84.27.108] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === ogra [n=ogra@p5089D3BA.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === fabbione [i=fabbione@195.22.207.166] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === fabbione [n=fabbione@port49.ds1-van.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === joolz [n=joolz@kiar.xs4all.nl] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === mvo [n=egon@ip181.135.1511I-CUD12K-01.ish.de] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === Simira [n=rpGirl@214.84-48-74.nextgentel.com] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === dholbach [i=foobar@dyn228-239.dsl.ligado.de] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === dholbach [i=foobar@dyn228-239.dsl.ligado.de] has left #ubuntu-meeting ["Ex-Chat"] === ogra [n=ogra@p5089CDEA.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === kwak [n=kwak@210.1.27.242] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === Seveas [n=seveas@seveas.demon.nl] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === kwak [n=kwak@210.1.27.242] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === JaneW [n=JaneW@wbs-146-153-31.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === ..[topic/#ubuntu-meeting:JaneW] : Agendas: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingAgendas | Calendar: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Calendar | Logs: http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs/ | 14 Sept 12:00 UTC: Edubuntu | 22 Sep 12:00 UTC: MOTU | 27 Sep 20:00 UTC: Community Council === doko_ [n=doko@dsl-084-059-081-166.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === klepas [n=klepas@203-213-31-142.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [12:24] moin === shawarma [i=shawarma@dolomit-ext.tnb.aau.dk] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === joolz is now known as JoolzBush === JoolzBush is now known as joolz === EricV[aw] [i=EricV@AFontenayssB-152-1-24-203.w83-114.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [12:30] Hello ! [12:30] ni hao [12:31] in other word, hi. :-) [12:31] my chinese isnt very good ;) thanks ! [12:32] you have a french name with an australian host, am i wrong ? [12:34] yep [12:35] I'm German, living in Aussie land (Canberra to be precise), got a French name, can speak a wee bit of Chinese and use Linux. [12:35] how's that mate? [12:37] :D [12:37] How about you? [12:42] I'have a french name, living near Paris ! I have to keep learning German ! And i use Hoary & Windows... I'm here to see what they are to say about Edubuntu, because i work for a humanitarian association, and we will bring computers to African schools. Maybe we will install edubuntu for them, because we aren't really happy of Windows... [12:44] And you what do you in Canberra ? do you work for ubuntu ? [12:46] Not as of yet [12:47] But I certainly am interested in offering my skills to the rather large and awesome repetoire of skills and abilities available within the Ubuntu community [12:47] :-) [12:48] Other than that, I've only got one accepted piece of work so far - a splash screen for JuK 2.3 which will be released with KDE 3.5 and maybe 4 [12:48] and I do a lot of other art for myself and anyone else who happens to like it :-) [12:49] http://wombat.nuxified.com/about and http://wombat.nuxified.com/work [12:49] brb [12:50] back [12:53] ('m reading your websites) === sh_warma [i=shawarma@dolomit-ext.tnb.aau.dk] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [12:54] :-) thank you [12:56] your splash screen for gimp is nice! do u use gimp for creating all your picts ? === sh_warma is now known as shawarma [12:59] yes [12:59] The GIMP and sometimes a little Inkscape [12:59] but otherwise, I am all for using open source apps [01:01] :-) [01:01] as powerful as apps like Photoshop ? [01:02] klepas, do you know art.ubuntu.com ? [01:02] yes [01:02] I co-admin that :-) [01:02] fine :) [01:02] that I suppose is my only little contribution so far. [01:02] :-) [01:04] will you add new themes, soonly ? [01:04] *checks [01:04] (that's empty for the moment...) [01:05] one item [01:05] well that's a very new web site, i understand why it's not full... [01:05] Breezy Login Mockup 01 gdm_greeter [01:05] yea [01:05] and it is still missing a lot of functionality [01:05] anyway there are some nice background [01:06] but, alas I look forward to what it could mean! [01:06] i've done this one: http://art.ubuntu.com/backgrounds/ubuntu/6 [01:06] :) [01:07] brb - need to take out the trash === spacey [n=spacey@flits101-191.flits.rug.nl] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [01:07] i've seen it on your blog ! [01:08] :-) [01:09] well i'll be back in 40minutes === kwak [n=kwak@210.1.27.242] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === ivoks [n=ivoks@backup.grad.hr] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === ivoks [n=ivoks@backup.grad.hr] has left #ubuntu-meeting [] [01:15] I can't u/l to http://art.ubuntu.com/ anymore... where's u/l link gone? [01:26] JaneW, probably depending on the launchpad maintenance ? or is that over already ? [01:26] it's over... [01:26] i.e. no login, no upload... [01:27] ah, ok [01:27] I can login, but there's no link (anymore) which says upload a new wallpaper... [01:27] hmm, and hno is on holiday [01:28] nod [01:28] I am wondering if anyone else can u/l [01:28] Javacide added some yesterday... [01:28] W00t! [01:28] Ubuntu 6.04 ~ will be named Dapper Drake [01:28] awesome [01:29] ahhh, I found something... ogra I think I worked it out, it's changed. [01:29] yes [01:29] :) [01:29] sounds a bit mandrakey [01:29] ;P [01:29] heh [01:30] I was expecting it to be Daper Dassie [01:30] hehe [01:30] Dassie souns nicer, imho [01:30] but Dapper Drake has a nice ring to it. [01:30] dassie is also native to SA [01:30] yea [01:31] both dapper and drake have nice meanings and work well together === Juz_visiting [n=user@ip70-185-137-149.lu.dl.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [01:37] what does Dapper mean? [01:37] sounds like a dutch word :) [01:37] spacey: dict ;) [01:38] oh its the same as in dutch [01:38] spacey: it is? [01:38] dapper means: Little and active; spruce; trim; smart; neat in dress or [01:38] appearance; lively. [01:38] brave/dapper [01:38] means brave etc [01:39] :-) [01:40] and a drake is the male of the duck kind [01:40] dappere eend :o) [01:41] spacey: woerd [01:41] spacey: (male duck :)) [01:42] :p [01:42] Dapper: [01:42] 1. [01:42] 1. Neatly dressed; trim. [01:42] 2. Very stylish in dress. [01:42] 2. Lively and alert. [01:42] [Middle English daper, elegant, probably from Middle Dutch dapper, quick, strong.] === fabbione [n=fabbione@195.22.207.163] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === fabbione [i=fabbione@195.22.207.163] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [01:54] (re gentlemen) === klepas [n=klepas@203-213-31-142.static.tpgi.com.au] has left #ubuntu-meeting ["Cheerio!"] [01:58] **REMINDER** Edubuntu meeting her in 2 mins [01:59] her ? [01:59] whom ? [01:59] does she look good ? [01:59] :) [02:00] ogra: I thought you already had a "her"? :-) [02:00] i do... i was just courious :) [02:00] herE, i suppose... [02:01] no it's ME [02:01] (i'm disapointed too..) [02:01] TA DA! [02:01] ;) [02:01] ok, so she looks good ;) [02:01] :P === jelkner [n=jelkner@158.59.193.86] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [02:02] good morning all! [02:02] ok I am ready [02:02] ok:) [02:02] hi jelkner [02:02] where's flint? [02:03] JaneW: hi, i only have 10 minutes before my students arrive [02:03] oh right he;s moving isn't he? [02:03] i can't speak for flint [02:03] jelkner: well then SHOOT [02:03] is there any way to narrow down which days are edubutu related at ubuntu below zero? [02:04] btw. Edubuntu rocks! [02:04] jelkner: I discussed this with mdz last night [02:04] jelkner: RAD! [02:04] and...? [02:04] yay jelkner, thanks ;) [02:04] I was hoping we could plan as per my mail to you yesterday... [02:04] but that is a whole week [02:05] jelkner: I still think we can actually, but mdz doesn't want us to strictly limit ourselves to that... [02:05] ok so the distro team is busy from Mon 31 Oct to Sat 6 Nov... [02:05] we'll have a dedicated edubuntu summit again later i guess [02:05] wait, maybe i didn't see your mail from yesterday... [02:05] The LTSP crew arrive on Thu 3 Nov [02:06] what should i do? [02:06] so I am thinking we should focus most of our edubuntu sessions in the overlap [02:06] Thurs- Sat [02:06] the dostro team stays until 7th, that makes 4 days [02:06] distro even [02:06] we may do some prelim talks in the days before that, but the meat will be near the end of the week, and in collaboration with the LTSP guys... [02:06] does everyone agree? [02:07] ogra: but so far the 7th is an 'off' day... we don;t want to take that away already! [02:07] (note: Sunday 6th is a day off now) [02:07] can i do nov. 1 to 6 then? [02:07] JaneW, i thik all we do there will be very ltsp specific, since we'll have our normal edubuntu summit too [02:07] ogra: sides some of us will be there close to 3 weeks.... [02:07] JaneW: the 8th is the off day? === macgyver2 [n=eric@unaffiliated/macgyver2] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [02:07] JaneW: uh, 7th? [02:07] sorry I am confussed re dates and days... Sun 6th is the day off [02:08] thanks Treenaks [02:08] JaneW, so app selection etc will happen on the edubuntu summit... [02:08] jelkner: can you be there in that time? [02:08] but we can collect input in montreal indeed === rickfitz [n=chatzill@82.152.83.141] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [02:08] jelkner: 1-6th? [02:08] JaneW: i can attend any 2 to 3 weekdays plus a weekend [02:09] i just need to know now so i can apply for leave [02:09] jelkner: since ogra and I have other comitments (Ubuntu, LP, scheduling etc etc) would you be willing to help us to lead, as you did so ably at UDU? [02:09] sure [02:09] cool [02:09] just tell me the days, and i'm there [02:09] jelkner: you can beat the content filtering drum again.... ;) [02:10] i will! [02:10] mdz reckons we have enough for a full edubuntu track... [02:10] there are a lot of issues [02:10] local access to usb devices [02:10] so if I can get us a dedicated room (not sure what infrastructure we have yet), we can go made and schedule accordingly... [02:10] sound [02:10] etc. [02:10] jelkner, sound out of the box ;) [02:10] s/made/mad [02:10] java... [02:11] JaneW, we cant ship java [02:11] JaneW, we have it in multiverse, thats enough [02:11] we can ship gnu java [02:11] just thinking of the norwegian flash/java requirement for exams... [02:11] and it is getting better all the time [02:11] jelkner, we do already... gcj is in [02:11] anyway shall I try to get us a dedicated room? [02:11] ogra: yes, i know [02:12] jelkner, thats why we cant ship java ;) [02:12] I have created a wiki page to start listing BOF topics... [02:12] http://www.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuBelowZero [02:12] JaneW, good idea [02:12] for edubuntu specifics... [02:12] (the room) [02:12] JaneW: i still need a final decision on days [02:12] here's another one, for general Ubuntu BOFs [02:12] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBelowZero/BOFs [02:12] you pick em, and i'll be there [02:12] but i need to know [02:12] now.. [02:13] and i need to go in 4 minutes... [02:13] Well if we get our own room, and a complete edubuntu track, we can start on the Monday 31 Oct and end on Saturday 5 Nov [02:13] not sure how wall to wall we'll be though [02:13] we really need that BOF list, start filling that [02:14] if you can be there at least Wed-Sat it would be great [02:14] more would be a bonus... [02:14] how does that sound? [02:14] JaneW: ah, the BOFs page is up for suggestions (for general ubuntu work)? [02:14] more? [02:14] i'm trying to minimize the number of days i'm away from students [02:14] i don't mind working on sunday [02:14] ajmitch: yes. [02:14] that is better for me [02:15] but i'd like to limit my weekdays to 3 [02:15] jelkner: yes but it's scheduled as an off/recreational day for everybody... [02:15] ok [02:15] but please note while filling that we'll have an additional edubutnu summit thats less technical, we should concentrate onthe technical stuff at UBZ === flint1 [n=flint@static-66-160-92-78.dsl.cavtel.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [02:15] hey li [02:15] flint1, even [02:15] ogra: is another edubunut summit confirmed yet? [02:15] hi flint1 [02:15] hey ollie, sorry I am late... [02:15] so perhaps you don't need me for all those days [02:16] Hi there jane... [02:16] i gotta run [02:16] let's follow up by email [02:16] thanks! [02:16] JaneW, we committed to have one every 6 months, i dont know if sabdfl's commitment still stands [02:16] hi jeff bye jeff... [02:16] jelkner: if you can be there at least Wed-Sat it would be great (I can only reitterate that) === Treenaks will be there [02:16] ogra: we'll need to confirm before relying on it... [02:17] JaneW, yup... but t was the wording even before we started the last one... [02:17] sun/mon are planned for Ottawa, tue is travel back [02:17] did jeff go into the need for the "snow white" filter system? [02:17] YES [02:17] *cough* Bloody Americans *cough* [02:17] anyone interested in the technical status we're at ? [02:17] ogra: yes please [02:17] absolutely [02:18] beware my paste ! [02:18] Serious blocker bugs we have: [02:18] - #14967 - disappearing KDE menu items in the GNOME menu [02:18] - #12942 - NFS timeout causing second boot for thin clients [02:18] Normal bugs being resolved during development: [02:18] - ltsp-client-builder.udeb progress reporting is missing (time consuming to fix, every test needs a manual CD build) [02:18] - ltsp-server postinst needs to generate the dhcp.conf file dynamically according to the selected IP adress [02:18] Package bugs being resolved during development (to be solved this week): [02:18] - moodle www-config-common bug [02:18] - moodle security bug needs upgrade to v1.5.1 [02:18] Improvements since preview: [02:18] - Missing default IP adress in the installer fixed [02:18] - the dhcp server doesnt ask questions anymore during install (big improvement, but needs the above ltsp-server fix too to work fully automatic) [02:18] - edubuntu-artwork now built to be used easily by all custom ubuntu distros [02:18] - schooltool fixed and in the default install now [02:18] - "Chicken Install" now possible :) [02:18] Things that "could" come (no promises, depending on amount of bugs and time): [02:18] - Probably a usplash pic reading edubuntu instead of ubuntu (if jbailey add the feature to usplash to be themeable) [02:18] - rebranding of the installer (ubuntu/edubuntu) [02:18] Note that we are at the very edge of CD space now (powerpc: 699MB, amd64: 647MB, i386: 635MB), [02:18] all further additions will require to remove something ! [02:19] ogra: remove ppc ;) [02:19] its tempting :) [02:19] ogra: the themeable bits need to go in for kubuntu too [02:19] but we had one user installing on a mac mini today :/ [02:20] sladen, you mean usplash ? [02:20] thats a nice to have, but no must... [02:20] sladen: they need a blue usplash? :) [02:20] we dont need to hide our inheritance [02:20] ogra: I think riddell is keen ;-) [02:21] sladen, depends if jbaileys fix gets accepted before release... so i dont bet on it now [02:21] who did the artwork, it's probably almost scriptable to render the logo, add a gradient and select the appropriate colour palette [02:22] ogra: and if not, usplash can be split into a usplash andan usplash-artwork which differnet packages can provide [02:22] ogra: how's #14967 going? [02:22] sladen: yeah, get it in a vector format and use kdrive + cairo to get the image up 8) [02:23] JaneW, slow, its not easily reproducable... i hope i can build an alliance wit riddel, since he's affected too [02:23] ogra: you saw that Petter found it too... [02:23] 14967 is one of those that jeff was whining about... [02:23] ogra: hmmm [02:23] JaneW, as i said yesterday, i'm trying to find a inotify specialist to help there...its not solvable by us alone i think [02:24] ogra: do you know anyone who fits the bill? [02:24] mdz reckoned such a person was not easy to find... [02:24] JaneW, nope, probably BenC has enough kernel insight or fabbione ... [02:24] i'll run around and poke several people after the meeting [02:25] ogra: ok thanks [02:25] what about Johnathan? [02:25] ogra: what did you think of the feedback from the mac mini guy today? [02:25] He seemed to have some valid points [02:26] JaneW, no idea what he did, thats all normal distro stuff that fails, not edubuntu specific... i tend to poit him to bugzilla [02:26] JaneW, but nothing we can solve in edubuntu specifically [02:26] we have not tested using the mac as a client, does this actually work? [02:27] flint1, ltsp-server is missing the feature to build the chroot for a different arch yet, mdz promised it would come before release... then it should work [02:27] thanks for the update my man. Fantastic! [02:28] i think its a bit tricky to implement, will take time for him [02:28] which is rare onhisside) [02:28] bah,whereismyspacekeygone? [02:28] how many mdz clock ticks is edubuntu eating? like half? [02:29] lol@ogra [02:29] i doubt it...except the sleepless nights probably [02:29] flint1: something like that [02:29] (space works again :)) [02:29] he really hates getting my 08:00 PST calls... [02:29] heh [02:29] flint1: that's NOT a good idea! [02:29] understandable [02:29] space....the final frontier [02:30] don't phone prga at that time (UTC) either [02:30] ah, if i cannot piss off mdz then what use am i? [02:30] flint1: that's actually pretty easilly achievable atm - we can all do it well ;) [02:30] ok what's next, orga any more to report? [02:31] nope, the above is my final list [02:31] Has everybody seen the cool artwork in http://art.ubuntu.com/ ? [02:31] if we have solved this, we are release ready [02:31] I am very impressed with our community artwork [02:31] esp Steve Torrefranca - he is very good. [02:31] ogra: np then ' [02:31] ) [02:31] i'm not really impressed by the badger backgrounds... [02:32] the badger is neat but i the background hurts my eyes afetr some time [02:33] the angle here is the saturation in these graphics will appeal to younger children [02:33] to coulored, to wild to use as a real background... the icons will disappear in the coulorfullness... [02:33] you wont be able to distinguish the icons from the background easily... [02:34] as you appeal to older and still older students, you will want to change the style. [02:34] i'm not talking about taste [02:35] with luck we can start an amusement park called "badger world" and make a packet. [02:35] its simply not usable, try to clutter your desktop with icons and use this background... go away over the weekend and try to find a particular icon again [02:35] they get swallowed, its to colorful [02:35] there is a great deal to be said for human brown. [02:35] from a kids point of view they are great i.e. I love them :) [02:36] I am using one right now :) [02:36] they are cheerful [02:36] Ollie, you see these through the eyes of a grown man. Go find a child and do a test. [02:36] ogra: ah but you keep a cluttered desktop ;) [02:36] JaneW, i'm talking about usability... not taste, i know kids like it colorful, but we shouldnt provide defaults that are hardly working with usablility requirtments [02:36] this is the same reason that kids love comic sans... prettiness and I'm sure they're young eyes can cope with the strain [02:37] s/they're/their/ [02:37] sladen: I agree [02:37] I swear Ollie, as we get older our sensitivity to color saturation dramaticallly increases... [02:37] flint1, again, its not about taste... [02:37] esp when alcohol is involved.... [02:37] another color would probably sole it already [02:37] lol [02:37] solve [02:38] ogra: atm I have one icon in each of the quilted squares, it's funky ;) [02:38] and note, we wont be able to include any background we have, there is not enough space... we are on the very edge [02:38] the angle I see is that you could tell what grade or form a classroom was just through the graphic displayed [02:39] the space issue sucks... I believe kubuntu is battling too... [02:39] (except we drop ppc) [02:39] can we shave anything anywhere? [02:39] ogra: doit! [02:39] ;) [02:39] if we'd rop ppc we'd have 50MB on amd64 and 70 on x86 :) [02:40] JaneW, so you'll answer all the complaints from mac users ? [02:40] ogra, sounds fair enough ;) [02:40] they should have at least the standalone workstation install... [02:40] sure, dear mac user, get a proer PC *hide* [02:40] heh [02:41] ogra: just make the ppc CD bigger eg. 700MB and keep the other two at 650MB [02:41] sladen, it *is* 700MB [02:41] sladen, all images of edubuntu are [02:41] we are at 699MB on ppc [02:42] bling! [02:42] so the graphics are limited on the power pc. big deal! [02:42] how is the i386 loading? [02:42] flint1, ? [02:43] I thought that you had cd load problems on the power pc distro. did i get this right? [02:43] by load i mean size [02:43] nope, we have space probs on ppc [02:43] ah, yes [02:44] x86 is around 640MB [02:44] ppc is power pc yes? [02:44] a bit less... [02:44] yp [02:44] yup even [02:44] ok then - i also mislabled x386 as i386, my bad. [02:44] ppc is traditionally bigger... an i dont want to drop it if possible [02:45] flint1, call it sa you like ... i386 is the right technical term... [02:45] i'm just to lazy to type powerpc :) [02:45] interesting, when I took assembler i always thought motorola code was more compact... [02:46] I remain a motorola bigot! [02:46] ppc has some tools and kernels the others dont have [02:46] thus it comes down to balance, now your build script for ppc is out of whack from amd and i386. [02:47] the size difference isnt avoidable... [02:47] I honestly have never booted ppc ubuntu. [02:47] flint1, i have no influence on build scripts [02:47] gotcha, you just control what is in the build tree. [02:48] thast all automated... i only can influence the app selection... i could drop some apps from ppc, but we already are down to the bare minimum [02:48] so the user experience wouldnt be the same... i' like to avoid that [02:49] we have all apps in by realease and have still a good Cd for all arches, we just wont be able to provide a ton of artwork [02:49] as I am in the process of moving from DC to Vermont, my mac stuff is packed and in a quarry near Montpelior. I cannot test or investigate ppc matters until later this month. [02:50] i doubt there will be problems with ppc... it works in ubuntu, so it should work for us as well [02:50] seems to me we are either killing artwork or language overlays. Language overlays always win. [02:51] mdz already said he cant imagine MACs in school environment, he wouldnt object to drop ppc... but i do... [02:51] I assume this only affects the server. Could still use mac clients on an i386 server? [02:51] flint1, we only have one language packa left on the CD , there is nothing you cold drop... [02:52] rickfitz, if the missing --arch feature is added to ltsp-build-client, yes [02:52] as servers macs are not so popular in these parts. As clients mdz is wrong. [02:52] rickfitz, but that doesnt affect the ppc CD [02:52] rickfitz, since you will build it on a i386 server [02:52] (which requires the i386 CD) [02:53] on another topic not related to edubuntu, ...Elkner and I had a big fight over printer drivers... [02:53] ppc is only interesting for ppc servers and ppc standlone workstations... [02:53] does anybody know how the docs are loking, jsgotngco has been owrking on them... [02:54] flint1, thats something we inherit 100% from ubuntu... if you find bugs, please file them in ubuntu [02:54] very impressive typos accompanying your discussion of docs jane... [02:54] http://www.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuDocumentation [02:54] gotcha ollie. [02:54] flint1: I tent to hit the right keys, just not in the right order... can you tell I have a wonderful musical ability too? ;) [02:55] is Colin's stuff updated to current release? [02:55]