=== karlheg [n=karlheg@host-250-237.resnet.pdx.edu] has joined #ubuntu-motu === thierry [n=thierry@modemcable163.142-201-24.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:10] ajmitch: would you mind when i upload a f-spot rebuild? gphoto2 is finally fixed ;) [12:10] ajmitch: GO GO GO [12:10] it shouldn't need it [12:11] a give-back should be enough [12:11] ok, then order a give-back :) [12:11] lamont: can you arrange that? === ryanthiessen [n=ryan@168-103-148-90.tukw.qwest.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:20] ajmitch: already given back [12:20] ok, thanks [12:21] not quite 2 hours ago. :-) [12:21] so it FTBFS for other reasons, will check it out :) [12:22] builds here [12:22] latest build log still has the libgphoto2-2 install issue [12:22] http://hwdb.ubuntu.com/buildlogs/?show=http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/f/f-spot/0.1.2-0ubuntu1/f-spot_0.1.2-0ubuntu1_20050913-2201-powerpc-failed.gz [12:23] i can only say that it works here in an updated pbuilder ;) [12:23] yeah, it's trying with the older package [12:23] slomo: nah - I just gave it back too soon [12:24] given-back again [12:24] thanks === dereks_ [n=dereks@66.9.7.66] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === jtan325_ [n=jtan325@c-24-19-241-133.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:05] <\sh> argl...cyphesis-cpp is completly b0rked === bddebian [n=bddebian@pcp08717033pcs.phnixv01.pa.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:07] Heya gang [01:07] <\sh> bddebian: good to see u [01:07] <\sh> argl...cyphesis-cpp is completly b0rked [01:07] <\sh> bddebian: the python2.4 patch was easy ;) [01:07] Nice, you DA MAN :-) [01:08] <\sh> bddebian: no..it has g++3.4/4.0 issues which is not solvable so easy...and new upstream is even more borked [01:08] Ohh.. [01:09] \sh: that was something i could tell you too ;) [01:09] <\sh> bddebian: and new upstream has python2.4 in it...but all this crappy c++ code inside is a mess...as all of the worldforge stuff [01:09] \sh: i tried fixing this thing almost a day [01:09] Eeks [01:09] <\sh> slomo: argl...and I'm compiling me the hell out of my ass,) === ryanthiessen [n=ryan@168-103-148-90.tukw.qwest.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:11] <\sh> slomo: solution? forget about it and morgue it? ,-) [01:12] probably... but elmo doesn't want to delete stuff lately it seems :P i and bddebian said him to delete some stuff ;) [01:12] Uhm, did I get in trouble again? [01:12] bddebian: nope :) [01:13] bddebian: well.. [01:13] ?? [01:14] I asked him to bring stuff in ;-) [01:14] you're not in a *lot* of trouble ;) [01:14] Oh well, that's nothing new :-) === \sh too...gtk-gnutella debian sync ;) i [01:14] we're having a mini hurricane here in WI [01:15] \sh: is that NEW? :-) [01:15] All those lakes overflowing? :-) [01:15] 70+mph winds, lot o' lightening [01:15] lightning [01:15] blowing rain like craay [01:15] crazy* [01:15] sounds fun. === robitaille [n=robitail@p235-083.public.uvic.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:15] Yeah, imagine all that cheese flying around.. ;-P [01:15] never happens anything here :-P [01:16] it's just a severe thunder storm === chillywilly goes to look at the radar [01:17] <\sh> Nafallo: no...only new upstream to fix all issues with gcc4 [01:17] http://intellicast.com/Local/USLocalWide.asp?loc=uswict25126&seg=LocalWeather&prodgrp=RadarImagery&product=RadarLoop&prodnav=none [01:17] robitaille: ping [01:17] tseng, pong [01:17] robitaille: please reinstall libglib2.0-cil and try to reproduce this phantom bug [01:17] \sh: I asked for sbackup :-) [01:18] robitaille: if you have a moment. [01:18] tseng, ok [01:18] <\sh> Nafallo: we have enough time ;) [01:18] <\sh> well..I hope so [01:18] hehe [01:18] the gnome-terminal in breezy works crappily with screen [01:18] crappily? :-) [01:18] has refresh issues [01:19] yes :) [01:19] crappily [01:19] <\sh> works for me [01:19] :) [01:19] turn off the terminal bell helps [01:19] ok [01:19] unchecked it [01:19] vbell off [01:19] it's wiggin out right now [01:20] chillywilly: screen repaint not right, especially with irssi? [01:20] Ctrl+L unwigs momentarily [01:20] ajmitch: yea [01:21] so you can read. [01:21] it's driven me to other terminals [01:21] :( [01:21] what do you use? [01:21] cause this is annoying [01:21] as soon as someone typed another line I'd have to hit ctrl+l [01:21] im making do with gnome-term atm [01:21] pterm [01:21] rxvt-unicode is the best [01:21] ajmitch: Ia m having to do that as we type here === thinkle [n=Tom@c-24-218-179-18.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-MOTU [01:21] k [01:22] brb [01:22] with a new terminal [01:23] hmmm, fonts are very ugly :) [01:23] thats what ~/.Xdefaults is for [01:24] I haven't had to play with that file in a long long time [01:24] hi all -- I'm in the midst of packaging up an app of mine for ubuntu & I got some feedback that my package didn't have the license (oops). I have a copyright file in my debian/ directory -- does anyone know what part of the rules file controls whether/when this should get installed? (let me know if this is the wrong place for this sort of question!) [01:25] ajmitch: didn't you use to use aterm or eterm? [01:25] used to use [01:25] thinkle: you should copy the lisence info into debian/copyright [01:25] thinkle: and have it in COPYING or so in the top of your source tree [01:26] thinkle: look at another package for the format of d/c [01:26] tseng: Right -- I've got it there now but don't see that it's being included in the package. [01:26] its not supposed to be [01:26] well, debian/copyright is [01:26] but that should just work afaik [01:26] maybe cdbs does it. [01:27] so is this a bug in gnome-term, screen, or irssi? [01:27] tseng: Okay -- I'm not using cdbs currently though I did start reading up on it a while ago. [01:27] ajmitch: quick [01:27] dh_installdocs is what does it, [01:27] ajmitch: save the day. [01:27] if you're using debhelper [01:28] ajmitch: botsnack [01:28] ajmitch is not a bot! :) === ajmitch munches his snack === chillywilly hands ajmitch a beer === ajmitch drinks the beer [01:29] Leinenkugels, a WI native :) === slomo eats a pizza :) [01:30] http://www.leinie.com/home.asp [01:30] i thought you guys only ate schnitzel [01:30] and bratwurst === tseng hides [01:31] this is the land of beer and cheese [01:31] ajmitch: Thanks === ajmitch lives to serve [01:32] so dudes [01:32] tseng: get it right ;) [01:32] the next windows might not suck [01:32] and it only took them how long to get it right? [01:32] tseng: but the next office does... saw some screenshots today and it's a usability catastrophe ;) [01:32] tseng: what gives you that idea [01:33] slomo: yeh i agree [01:33] it looks ugly [01:33] Lathiat: PDC stuff [01:33] tseng: what about it? [01:33] Lathiat: did you see their f-spot app? [01:33] tseng: nope [01:33] slomo: Did elmo really say something about me asking to morgue stuff? [01:33] Lathiat: http://www.betanews.com/article/Second_Beta_of_Monad_Arrives/1126583267 [01:34] bddebian: nothing printable [01:34] bddebian: no... but you've written him a mail afaik and he didn't delete anything yet afaik [01:34] Lathiat: http://www.microsoft.com/max/ [01:34] slomo: Ahh, yes, I have been keeping him quite busy :-) [01:34] ajmitch: :-P [01:34] tseng: mmm, piping data around processes in xml [01:35] did you hear about them setting users up as restricted users by detault too? [01:35] yes [01:35] you have to be Administrator to install software [01:35] where have I seen this before? ;) [01:35] in every os ever [01:35] that isnt windows home edition [01:35] pro does the same thing [01:36] pro can be setup like that [01:36] not when you join a domain [01:36] which is the entire point of having pro [01:36] but it's not that way by default [01:36] <\sh> guys...what about phpapi? [01:36] \sh: what about it? [01:36] tseng: i dunno, i found pro generally performs better [01:36] \sh: it's an easy fix for those packages [01:36] weird, but true [01:36] <\sh> ajmitch: which is the replacement? [01:36] \sh: there is no replacement - php4 used to provide the older phpapi [01:36] now it provides a newer one [01:37] the debian/rules of those packages that depend on it need fixed though [01:37] Lathiat: so this monad thing is supposed to have parts of unix tools for windows [01:37] Lathiat: like.. grep [01:37] a 5 minute job once I learnt how [01:37] <\sh> ok..so install-dep to what package name? php4-cli/libapache-mod-php4 ? [01:37] i need to fix phpmyadmin [01:37] to use php4 [01:38] php5 [01:38] removing your old install is ass [01:38] \sh: no, bad! [01:38] <\sh> ajmitch: so..tell me ;) [01:38] phpapi-20050606 [01:38] if you read the php4 changelog :P [01:39] <\sh> ajmitch: ok...I see how it's done with php4-auth-pam stuff [01:39] how is it done there? [01:39] if it's the ugly mess of grep & friends, it needs changed [01:40] <\sh> build-dep to php4-dev and in debian/rules echo "php:Depends=phpapi-$(phpapiver)" >> debian/php4-auth-pam.substvars [01:40] 4:4.3.10-10 [01:40] tseng, removed libglib2.0-cil (which removed beagle and a few other packages as well), reinstalled all of them; and I still get bug 2222 [01:40] robitaille: i didnt mean to remove it all, but ok [01:40] \sh: yes, and you need to set phpapiver to something sane [01:40] see the top of debian/rules [01:40] robitaille: in the future.. apt-get install --reinstall [01:41] <\sh> ajmitch: phpapiver=$(shell grep '\#define PHP_API_VERSION ' /usr/include/php4/main/php.h |sed 's/\#define PHP_API_VERSION //') [01:41] that mess needs ripped out & burnt [01:41] tseng, I wanted to be sure I was starting with a clean state of beagle and friends [01:41] phew [01:41] then shot [01:41] <\sh> ajmitch: so setting it directly to 20050606? ,-) [01:41] \sh: phpapiver=$(shell php-config --phpapi) [01:41] <\sh> ok [01:41] robitaille: can you then verify that all the files are there [01:41] as documented well in the changelog :) [01:42] Heh [01:42] <\sh> ajmitch: yes...I know RTFM \sh ,-) === ajmitch tones down his RTFMness ;) [01:43] wow [01:43] \sh: sorry, it just took me awhile to get this right, for some reason ;) [01:43] so are we leaving all this stuff with a hard dep on php4? [01:43] Eterm is interesting...but the colors need to be tweaked [01:43] because the user experience totally blows if i install php5 [01:43] half stuff wants to remove it [01:43] <\sh> ajmitch: no..it's ok...I'm just to lazy right now ;) [01:43] tseng: good question [01:44] we should probably be testing stuff with php5 [01:44] infinity said change what I care to to php5 [01:44] after testing [01:44] seeing just how much of it breaks [01:44] testing is a real pain though [01:44] i have an assload of code at work running on 5 [01:44] An assload eh? [01:44] yes [01:44] bddebian: yes [01:44] i just wrote more today [01:45] <\sh> tseng: u want another transition right now? ,-) [01:45] bddebian: slightly larger than a metric shitload, ok? [01:45] assload += 300 lines [01:45] \sh: YES PLEASE. [01:45] ajmitch: metric? WTF is that? ;-P [01:45] <\sh> tseng: GO AWAY ! [01:45] <\sh> *eg* [01:45] bddebian: something the civilised world uses [01:45] \sh: when else would we do it [01:45] tseng: november [01:46] <\sh> tseng: breezy+1 when php5 is well tested...so we have time to change all modules as well to php5 (if there is a new upstream which supportes php5) [01:46] tseng: Keep it down, you're talking too much === bddebian ducks [01:46] \sh: well then php will suck in breezy [01:46] \sh: because 4 is not supported [01:46] 5 is [01:47] all the stuff in main depends on 5 [01:47] yes [01:47] <\sh> tseng: those modules in universe is also unsupported... [01:47] <\sh> s/is/are/ [01:47] if we were given some more time, perhaps we could test everything in universe [01:47] unsupported <> unusable [01:47] <\sh> tseng: and we can always backport them to breezy [01:47] so I guess we can at best dep on php4 | php5 [01:47] i will be moving stuff i use to php5 [01:47] and test them later [01:48] let me see what ogra did with mediawiki [01:48] <\sh> ajmitch: or do two binary packages out of one source [01:48] \sh: no reason, its the same code [01:48] \sh: yes, that gets ugly to hack up [01:48] Depends: apache2 | httpd, php5 (>= 5.0.4), php5-mysql, debconf (>= 0.2.26) [01:48] Recommends: mysql-server [01:48] im doing the same thing [01:48] php5 or bust [01:48] you can't have php4 & php5 modules loaded at once in apache either [01:49] <\sh> tseng: some people wants to use php4 [01:49] i think depends on stuff in universe would be bad [01:49] are we smart with the | ? [01:49] \sh: tough cookies, i say [01:50] cant you php5 | php4 [01:50] or php and have php4,5 provide: php and conflicts each other [01:50] or something [01:50] 1) maybe [01:50] 2) no [01:50] some stuff could (is?) known not to work with one of the two [01:51] <\sh> Lathiat: we have both...5 in main 4 in universe [01:51] is all php4 apps guaranteed to work in php5? [01:51] no. [01:51] Lathiat: certainly not [01:51] <\sh> Lathiat: so it will mostly pull 5 in and if we have bad luck it ftbfs because of php5 [01:51] dude [01:51] bit harsh *forcing* people to use 5 then [01:51] \sh: php stuff hardly ftbfs :) [01:51] php doesnt build anyting [01:51] there is no FTBFS [01:51] its JIT [01:52] it's like VB for the web [01:52] <\sh> ajmitch: well...I had some nice pitfalls at lycos with switching from 4.1 to 4.2 :( [01:52] or you could consider it interpreted [01:52] <\sh> ajmitch: so I don't trust php at all [01:52] \sh: yeah, but that's running it, not building packages [01:52] ajmitch: ugh [01:52] ajmitch: dont say that again. [01:52] :) [01:52] <\sh> ajmitch: I'm speaking of loadable modules for php not source for php [01:52] eh [01:53] no one is talking about loadable modules [01:53] thats a whole other can of worms [01:53] <\sh> php-auth-pam is not php source .. it's plain C ,-) [01:53] \sh: well the php4 modules are all built - we don't care about them [01:53] I see.. [01:53] those packages are just slightly different :P [01:53] <\sh> hahaha [01:53] Well shiite, the newer version of gaikachu doesn't build either.. [01:53] \sh: we're talking about the mass of packages that run on php [01:53] rubyonrails is bad ass though :) [01:54] rather than the small number of extensions [01:54] chillywilly: yeah yeah [01:54] chillywilly: my code doesnt up and port itself to ruby, though. [01:54] \sh: php4 extensions would need to be ported to 5, [01:54] <\sh> ajmitch: this is really something else..I was pointing to modules for php...not php sources like mediawiki or wordpress ,) [01:54] tseng, all the files in libglib2.0-cil appears to have been installed [01:54] <\sh> ajmitch: yes..and right now I'm not willing to do it [01:54] chillywilly: pls rewrite all php apps in universe for RoR then kthx [01:54] robitaille: ok. [01:54] ajmitch: no, you do it [01:54] \sh: there's absolutely no point in doing it [01:54] robitaille: well, i cant find anything wrong here [01:55] chillywilly: no, I'm not the RoR fan [01:55] robitaille: please beat me with a cluebat when you find one [01:55] I've actually got aother MOTU stuff to do :) [01:55] ajmitch: I find most web applications disgutingly violate the principles of the web :) === tseng fanboys RoR [01:55] WTF is rubyonrails anyway? [01:55] bddebian: ... [01:55] bddebian: www.rubyonrails.org [01:55] RoR ftw [01:56] bddebian: you obviously haven't been tuned in to the hype [01:56] Hmm [01:56] ajmitch: You know I'm st00pid :-) [01:56] ajmitch: dude i so showed you the code, its not hype [01:56] ajmitch: I think the *hype* is warranted [01:56] ajmitch: GET ON BOARD [01:56] bddebian: you know that's asking for a smart comment in return [01:56] I'm getting an error at the following on dpkg-buildpackage (within dh_installdocs): cp -a \# debian/gnome-sudoku/usr/share/doc/gnome-sudoku -- seems obvious enough what the typo is, but grepping about debian/ isn't finding anything matching .*#.*doc.* Any pointers? === sfvt_ [n=sfeehan@pool-71-241-137-217.burl.east.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:57] tseng: is it required to love RoR to be a tseng fanboy then? [01:57] Heh [01:57] ajmitch: aboslutely [01:58] that's just not fair [01:58] ajmitch: you must conform. [01:58] tseng, question: is the fact that I have both libglib-cil and libglib2.0-cil installed could be a factor here? [01:58] time to feed my child [01:58] cya l8 [01:58] r [01:58] robitaille: no [01:58] l8r chillywilly [01:58] chillywilly: why isn't he helping with MOTU work yet? [01:58] robitaille: compare dpkg -L libglib{,2.0}-cil [01:58] robitaille: they are happily seperated [02:00] tseng, ok; I was just looking in /usr/lib/mono/gac/glib-sharp/ and noticed that I had 2 directories in there, only one coming from libglib2 === robitaille simply throwing wild guesses in the air... [02:00] robitaille: yes. [02:00] at least a better guess than "multisync ate my evo files and made glib disappear" [02:00] :) [02:01] that guy removing evo and it not removing beagle is a bug, though [02:01] evo-sharp needs to depend on evo stuff [02:02] i wonder why it doesn't [02:04] i dunno, but lets file it away in our list of things to fix [02:05] back [02:07] ajmitch: because he's only 8 [02:07] <\sh> I'm doing now all this shitty php4 extentions... [02:07] ajmitch: Why isn't chillywilly helping with MOTU stuff? ;-) [02:07] chillywilly: that's more than old enough [02:07] \sh: I repeat. You DA MAN :-) [02:08] bddebian: because he's too good for us mere mortals :P [02:08] <\sh> bddebian: no... [02:08] <\sh> bddebian: I'm just bored [02:08] \sh: 5 minutes per package then? :) [02:08] <\sh> ajmitch: less [02:08] yeah [02:08] bah [02:10] <\sh> ajmitch: I hope everything is building as well on amd64/ppc/ia64 [02:11] amd64 rules [02:11] So what replaces just xlibmesa-dev, when it's not gl or glu ? [02:11] <\sh> gnome-launch-box is PITA [02:11] \sh: nobody cares about those archs ;) [02:11] hehe [02:11] bddebian: both, iirc [02:11] ajmitch: OK, thx [02:11] bddebian: or you can check to see which one a package uses [02:12] I have 2 amd64 Ubuntu servers in production right now [02:12] \sh: you look at the packages as me ;) [02:12] <\sh> bddebian: libgl1-mesa [02:12] I care [02:12] \sh: gnome-launch-box must be ported to the new gnome-menus api... good luck ;) [02:12] <\sh> bddebian: libglu1-mesa [02:12] <\sh> slomo: I know [02:12] <\sh> slomo: but this is upstream work... [02:13] \sh: OK, thx [02:13] <\sh> slomo: and upstream stopped somehow...I checked svn [02:13] \sh: sure... but upstream seems to be dead :( [02:13] <\sh> slomo: so morgue ,-) [02:16] <\sh> ok...time for the third bottle of coke === StrikeForce [n=marc@203-59-81-180.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:27] coke, that's what i haven't had today... [02:28] OK, what is libgl1-dev ? === jsgotangco [n=jsg@info1-11.info.com.ph] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:28] hey jsgotangco [02:28] <\sh> opengl [02:28] hi [02:28] \sh: I don't see the package, is there a replacement? [02:28] Heya jsgotangco [02:28] <\sh> libgl1-mesa-dev [02:29] bddebian: what you want [02:29] bddebian: is [02:29] libgl1-mesa-dev | libgl-dev [02:29] I changed that for the build depends but it also depends libgl1-dev ? [02:29] also for glu [02:29] libglu1-mesa-dev | libglu-dev [02:29] bddebian: it *depends* on -dev ? [02:29] Err libgl1, sorry [02:30] <\sh> hmmm... [02:30] oh [02:30] so [02:30] <\sh> phpize is broken [02:30] libgl1-mesa | libgl1 [02:30] libglu1-mesa | libglu1 [02:30] bddebian: they should be using shlibs tho [02:30] Well it isnt :-) [02:30] Should I "fix" it? [02:30] it sucks [02:30] :) [02:30] bddebian: nah dw [02:30] just make it as i said [02:31] <\sh> ajmitch: u saw the output of phpize? [02:33] \sh: nope [02:33] /bin/bash: rebuild: command not found ?? WTF is rebuild? [02:33] bddebian: magic [02:33] <\sh> ajmitch: it says: phpapiver == 2002nnnn [02:33] <\sh> but php-config --phpapi is telling the truth [02:34] <\sh> /usr/bin/phpize [02:34] <\sh> Configuring for: [02:34] <\sh> PHP Api Version: 20020918 [02:34] <\sh> Zend Module Api No: 20020429 [02:34] <\sh> Zend Extension Api No: 20050606 === jsgotangco succumbs to *. [02:35] \sh: I'll look [02:35] <\sh> ajmitch: thx [02:35] <\sh> anyways all packages uploaded [02:36] \sh: might be something to ask infinity [02:36] it's doing the PHP_API_VERSION=`grep '#define PHP_API_VERSION' $includedir/main/php.h|sed 's/#define PHP_API_VERSION//'` [02:36] <\sh> strange [02:37] <\sh> lets see the output later when it's compiled [02:38] well php.h still has that old version [02:42] ajmitch: i think i'll make cabal uninstallable again for fixing the other stuff finally ;) or do you suggest something else? [02:43] slomo: ok, you can try that :) [02:44] break it so hard that elmo cries & has no choice but to remove it? ;) [02:44] lol [02:44] no [02:44] he will kill me :P === thinkle [n=Tom@c-24-218-179-18.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has left #ubuntu-MOTU [] [02:44] ok, i have one alternative... change haskell-devscripts to not depend on cabal [02:47] ajmitch: Seriously, I'm getting that from debuild but dpkg-buildpackage works fine? [02:49] bddebian: and pbuilder build does what? [02:49] bddebian: grep over the package source tree [02:50] ajmitch: I can't get that far but I might have fixed it, hang on [02:50] \sh: you use snd_hda_intel on Breezy, correct? [02:51] <\sh> crimsun: what I'm using? snd_hda_intel? u mean i915? [02:51] \sh: what's the output from ''tail -2 /proc/asound/oss/sndstat''? [02:51] Hmm $(shell which yada) rebuild packages ?? [02:51] <\sh> crimsun: on what laptop? portege or hp? [02:51] bddebian: yada is evil :( [02:51] \sh: well, the Intel High Def Audio sound chipset [02:51] eww, yada [02:51] <\sh> Mixers: [02:51] <\sh> 0: Analog Devices AD1981B [02:51] <\sh> this is nc6000 [02:51] <\sh> from hp [02:51] This package pretty much sucks :-) [02:52] <\sh> crimsun: the portege i have to switch on ... give me 2 mins [02:52] \sh: ok [02:52] those blasted ALC880 codecs :( [02:54] <\sh> crimsun: 0: Analog Devices AD1981B [02:54] \sh: all right, thanks. [02:54] <\sh> portege r200 that is === jtan325 [n=jtan325@c-24-19-241-133.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:55] so far I've seen two critical reports of ALSA in Breezy's kernel OOPSing on boot because the AC'97 codec is blatantly misrecognized [02:56] sigh, gonna be a long night of register dumps [02:56] are the ppc buildds dead? [02:57] crimsun: you seem to be a person that might know what I should do about my damn alsa-config ;-). [02:57] crimsun: headphones uses the headphonelevel and ignores master. === rob^ [n=rob@pdpc/supporter/student/rob-ubuntu] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:57] crimsun: annoying as I can't use my hotkeys for volume up and down while on headphones ;-) [02:59] Nafallo: believe there's a bug open on mantis about it, but I don't have the details in front of me atm [02:59] mantis? [02:59] ALSA's bugtracker linked from alsa-project.org [03:00] unfortunately atm there's no convenient way to override mixer elements in a conffile [03:00] dang :-P [03:01] right now I have changed the applet to headphones and use the hotkeys for masterlevel ;-) === slomo_ [n=slomo@p5487F13E.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:05] yeah, the applet can be handy [03:05] the entire control layer needs to be rewritten, though [03:09] crimsun: https://bugtrack.alsa-project.org/alsa-bug/view.php?id=1051 [03:09] found it! :-) [03:09] that's my laptop to :-P [03:11] line _in_? [03:12] hmm, no headphone. he have got it wrong ;-) [03:12] and it would be better to bind master and headphone than master and pcm [03:13] god, this is gonna be special-case hell [03:13] :-P [03:14] Uh-oh did someone pick off qglviewer? [03:14] Oh nm [03:16] Nafallo: what's the output from ''tail -2 /proc/asound/oss/sndstat''? [03:16] *sigh* can't we just drop this "you need a name and password on bugtrackers" shit? ;-) [03:16] 0: Realtek ALC250 rev 2 [03:16] 1: Silicon Laboratory Si3036,8 rev [03:20] hmm [03:22] Nafallo: what happens when you modprobe snd-via82xx ac97_quirk=hp_only ? [03:22] (after unloading snd-via82xx) [03:23]