[12:10] <slomo> ajmitch: would you mind when i upload a f-spot rebuild? gphoto2 is finally fixed ;)
[12:10] <tseng> ajmitch: GO GO GO
[12:10] <ajmitch> it shouldn't need it
[12:11] <ajmitch> a give-back should be enough
[12:11] <slomo> ok, then order a give-back :)
[12:11] <ajmitch> lamont: can you arrange that?
[12:20] <lamont> ajmitch: already given back
[12:20] <ajmitch> ok, thanks
[12:21] <lamont> not quite 2 hours ago. :-)
[12:21] <ajmitch> so it FTBFS for other reasons, will check it out :)
[12:22] <slomo> builds here
[12:22] <ajmitch> latest build log still has the libgphoto2-2 install issue
[12:22] <ajmitch> http://hwdb.ubuntu.com/buildlogs/?show=http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/f/f-spot/0.1.2-0ubuntu1/f-spot_0.1.2-0ubuntu1_20050913-2201-powerpc-failed.gz
[12:23] <slomo> i can only say that it works here in an updated pbuilder ;)
[12:23] <ajmitch> yeah, it's trying with the older package
[12:23] <lamont> slomo: nah - I just gave it back too soon
[12:24] <lamont> given-back again
[12:24] <ajmitch> thanks
[01:05] <\sh> argl...cyphesis-cpp is completly b0rked
[01:07] <bddebian> Heya gang
[01:07] <\sh> bddebian: good to see u
[01:07] <\sh> argl...cyphesis-cpp is completly b0rked
[01:07] <\sh> bddebian: the python2.4 patch was easy ;)
[01:07] <bddebian> Nice, you DA MAN :-)
[01:08] <\sh> bddebian: no..it has g++3.4/4.0 issues which is not solvable so easy...and new upstream is even more borked
[01:08] <bddebian> Ohh..
[01:09] <slomo> \sh: that was something i could tell you too ;)
[01:09] <\sh> bddebian: and new upstream has python2.4 in it...but all this crappy c++ code inside is a mess...as all of the worldforge stuff
[01:09] <slomo> \sh: i tried fixing this thing almost a day
[01:09] <bddebian> Eeks
[01:09] <\sh> slomo: argl...and I'm compiling me the hell out of my ass,)
[01:11] <\sh> slomo: solution? forget about it and morgue it? ,-)
[01:12] <slomo> probably... but elmo doesn't want to delete stuff lately it seems :P i and bddebian said him to delete some stuff ;)
[01:12] <bddebian> Uhm, did I get in trouble again?
[01:12] <slomo> bddebian: nope :)
[01:13] <ajmitch> bddebian: well..
[01:13] <bddebian> ??
[01:14] <Nafallo> I asked him to bring stuff in ;-)
[01:14] <ajmitch> you're not in a *lot* of trouble ;)
[01:14] <bddebian> Oh well, that's nothing new :-)
[01:14] <chillywilly> we're having a mini hurricane here in WI
[01:15] <Nafallo> \sh: is that NEW? :-)
[01:15] <bddebian> All those lakes overflowing? :-)
[01:15] <chillywilly> 70+mph winds, lot o' lightening
[01:15] <chillywilly> lightning
[01:15] <chillywilly> blowing rain like craay
[01:15] <chillywilly> crazy*
[01:15] <Nafallo> sounds fun.
[01:15] <bddebian> Yeah, imagine all that cheese flying around.. ;-P
[01:15] <Nafallo> never happens anything here :-P
[01:16] <chillywilly> it's just a severe thunder storm
[01:17] <\sh> Nafallo: no...only new upstream to fix all issues with gcc4
[01:17] <chillywilly> http://intellicast.com/Local/USLocalWide.asp?loc=uswict25126&seg=LocalWeather&prodgrp=RadarImagery&product=RadarLoop&prodnav=none
[01:17] <tseng> robitaille: ping
[01:17] <robitaille> tseng,  pong
[01:17] <tseng> robitaille: please reinstall libglib2.0-cil and try to reproduce this phantom bug
[01:17] <Nafallo> \sh: I asked for sbackup :-)
[01:18] <tseng> robitaille: if you have a moment.
[01:18] <robitaille> tseng,  ok
[01:18] <\sh> Nafallo: we have enough time ;)
[01:18] <\sh> well..I hope so
[01:18] <Nafallo> hehe
[01:18] <chillywilly> the gnome-terminal in breezy works crappily with screen
[01:18] <bddebian> crappily? :-)
[01:18] <chillywilly> has refresh issues
[01:19] <chillywilly> yes :)
[01:19] <chillywilly> crappily
[01:19] <\sh> works for me
[01:19] <chillywilly> :)
[01:19] <tseng> turn off the terminal bell helps
[01:19] <chillywilly> ok
[01:19] <chillywilly> unchecked it
[01:19] <tseng>  vbell           off
[01:19] <chillywilly> it's wiggin out right now
[01:20] <ajmitch> chillywilly: screen repaint not right, especially with irssi?
[01:20] <tseng> Ctrl+L unwigs momentarily
[01:20] <chillywilly> ajmitch: yea
[01:21] <tseng> so you can read.
[01:21] <ajmitch> it's driven me to other terminals
[01:21] <chillywilly> :(
[01:21] <chillywilly> what do you use?
[01:21] <chillywilly> cause this is annoying
[01:21] <ajmitch> as soon as someone typed another line I'd have to hit ctrl+l
[01:21] <tseng> im making do with gnome-term atm
[01:21] <ajmitch> pterm
[01:21] <tseng> rxvt-unicode is the best
[01:21] <chillywilly> ajmitch: Ia m having to do that as we type here
[01:21] <chillywilly> k
[01:22] <chillywilly> brb
[01:22] <chillywilly> with a new terminal
[01:23] <chillywilly> hmmm, fonts are very ugly :)
[01:23] <tseng> thats what ~/.Xdefaults is for
[01:24] <chillywilly> I haven't had to play with that file in a long long time
[01:24] <thinkle> hi all -- I'm in the midst of packaging up an app of mine for ubuntu & I got some feedback that my package didn't have the license (oops). I have a copyright file in my debian/ directory -- does anyone know what part of the rules file controls whether/when this should get installed? (let me know if this is the wrong place for this sort of question!)
[01:25] <chillywilly> ajmitch: didn't you use to use aterm or eterm?
[01:25] <chillywilly> used to use
[01:25] <tseng> thinkle: you should copy the lisence info into debian/copyright
[01:25] <tseng> thinkle: and have it in COPYING or so in the top of your source tree
[01:26] <tseng> thinkle: look at another package for the format of d/c
[01:26] <thinkle> tseng: Right -- I've got it there now but don't see that it's being included in the package.
[01:26] <tseng> its not supposed to be
[01:26] <tseng> well, debian/copyright is
[01:26] <tseng> but that should just work afaik
[01:26] <tseng> maybe cdbs does it.
[01:27] <chillywilly> so is this a bug in gnome-term, screen, or irssi?
[01:27] <thinkle> tseng: Okay -- I'm not using cdbs currently though I did start reading up on it a while ago.
[01:27] <tseng> ajmitch: quick
[01:27] <ajmitch> dh_installdocs is what does it,
[01:27] <tseng> ajmitch: save the day.
[01:27] <ajmitch> if you're using debhelper
[01:28] <tseng> ajmitch: botsnack
[01:28] <chillywilly> ajmitch is not a bot! :)
[01:29] <chillywilly> Leinenkugels, a WI native :)
[01:30] <chillywilly> http://www.leinie.com/home.asp
[01:30] <tseng> i thought you guys only ate schnitzel
[01:30] <tseng> and bratwurst
[01:31] <chillywilly> this is the land of beer and cheese
[01:31] <thinkle> ajmitch: Thanks
[01:32] <tseng> so dudes
[01:32] <chillywilly> tseng: get it right ;)
[01:32] <tseng> the next windows might not suck
[01:32] <chillywilly> and it only took them how long to get it right?
[01:32] <slomo> tseng: but the next office does... saw some screenshots today and it's a usability catastrophe ;)
[01:32] <Lathiat> tseng: what gives you that idea
[01:33] <Lathiat> slomo: yeh i agree
[01:33] <Lathiat> it looks ugly
[01:33] <tseng> Lathiat: PDC stuff
[01:33] <Lathiat> tseng: what about it?
[01:33] <tseng> Lathiat: did you see their f-spot app?
[01:33] <Lathiat> tseng: nope
[01:33] <bddebian> slomo: Did elmo really say something about me asking to morgue stuff?
[01:33] <tseng> Lathiat: http://www.betanews.com/article/Second_Beta_of_Monad_Arrives/1126583267
[01:34] <ajmitch> bddebian: nothing printable
[01:34] <slomo> bddebian: no... but you've written him a mail afaik and he didn't delete anything yet afaik
[01:34] <tseng> Lathiat: http://www.microsoft.com/max/
[01:34] <bddebian> slomo: Ahh, yes, I have been keeping him quite busy :-)
[01:34] <bddebian> ajmitch: :-P
[01:34] <Lathiat> tseng: mmm, piping data around processes in xml
[01:35] <chillywilly> did you hear about them setting users up as restricted users by detault too?
[01:35] <tseng> yes
[01:35] <chillywilly> you have to be Administrator to install software
[01:35] <chillywilly> where have I seen this before? ;)
[01:35] <tseng> in every os ever
[01:35] <tseng> that isnt windows home edition
[01:35] <Lathiat> pro does the same thing
[01:36] <chillywilly> pro can be setup like that
[01:36] <tseng> not when you join a domain
[01:36] <tseng> which is the entire point of having pro
[01:36] <chillywilly> but it's not that way by default
[01:36] <\sh> guys...what about phpapi?
[01:36] <ajmitch> \sh: what about it?
[01:36] <Lathiat> tseng: i dunno, i found pro generally performs better
[01:36] <ajmitch> \sh: it's an easy fix for those packages
[01:36] <Lathiat> weird, but true
[01:36] <\sh> ajmitch: which is the replacement?
[01:36] <ajmitch> \sh: there is no replacement - php4 used to provide the older phpapi
[01:36] <ajmitch> now it provides a newer one
[01:37] <ajmitch> the debian/rules of those packages that depend on it need fixed though
[01:37] <tseng> Lathiat: so this monad thing is supposed to have parts of unix tools for windows
[01:37] <tseng> Lathiat: like.. grep
[01:37] <ajmitch> a 5 minute job once I learnt how
[01:37] <\sh> ok..so install-dep to what package name? php4-cli/libapache-mod-php4 ?
[01:37] <tseng> i need to fix phpmyadmin
[01:37] <tseng> to use php4
[01:38] <tseng> php5
[01:38] <tseng> removing your old install is ass
[01:38] <ajmitch> \sh: no, bad!
[01:38] <\sh> ajmitch: so..tell me ;)
[01:38] <ajmitch> phpapi-20050606
[01:38] <ajmitch> if you read the php4 changelog :P
[01:39] <\sh> ajmitch: ok...I see how it's done with php4-auth-pam stuff
[01:39] <ajmitch> how is it done there?
[01:39] <ajmitch> if it's the ugly mess of grep & friends, it needs changed
[01:40] <\sh> build-dep to php4-dev and in debian/rules         echo "php:Depends=phpapi-$(phpapiver)" >> debian/php4-auth-pam.substvars
[01:40] <tseng> 4:4.3.10-10
[01:40] <robitaille> tseng,  removed libglib2.0-cil (which removed beagle and a few other packages as well), reinstalled all of them; and I still get bug 2222
[01:40] <tseng> robitaille: i didnt mean to remove it all, but ok
[01:40] <ajmitch> \sh: yes, and you need to set phpapiver to something sane
[01:40] <ajmitch> see the top of debian/rules
[01:40] <tseng> robitaille: in the future.. apt-get install --reinstall
[01:41] <\sh> ajmitch: phpapiver=$(shell grep '\#define PHP_API_VERSION ' /usr/include/php4/main/php.h |sed 's/\#define PHP_API_VERSION //')
[01:41] <ajmitch> that mess needs ripped out & burnt
[01:41] <robitaille> tseng,   I wanted to be sure I was starting with a clean state of beagle and friends
[01:41] <ogra> phew
[01:41] <ajmitch> then shot
[01:41] <\sh> ajmitch: so setting it directly to 20050606? ,-)
[01:41] <ajmitch> \sh: phpapiver=$(shell php-config --phpapi)
[01:41] <\sh> ok
[01:41] <tseng> robitaille: can you then verify that all the files are there
[01:41] <ajmitch> as documented well in the changelog :)
[01:42] <bddebian> Heh
[01:42] <\sh> ajmitch: yes...I know RTFM \sh ,-)
[01:43] <tseng> wow
[01:43] <ajmitch> \sh: sorry, it just took me awhile to get this right, for some reason ;)
[01:43] <tseng> so are we leaving all this stuff with a hard dep on php4?
[01:43] <chillywilly> Eterm is interesting...but the colors need to be tweaked
[01:43] <tseng> because the user experience totally blows if i install php5
[01:43] <tseng> half stuff wants to remove it
[01:43] <\sh> ajmitch: no..it's ok...I'm just to lazy right now ;)
[01:43] <ajmitch> tseng: good question
[01:44] <ajmitch> we should probably be testing stuff with php5
[01:44] <tseng> infinity said change what I care to to php5
[01:44] <tseng> after testing
[01:44] <ajmitch> seeing just how much of it breaks
[01:44] <ajmitch> testing is a real pain though
[01:44] <tseng> i have an assload of code at work running on 5
[01:44] <bddebian> An assload eh?
[01:44] <tseng> yes
[01:44] <ajmitch> bddebian: yes
[01:44] <tseng> i just wrote more today
[01:45] <\sh> tseng: u want another transition right now? ,-)
[01:45] <ajmitch> bddebian: slightly larger than a metric shitload, ok?
[01:45] <tseng> assload += 300 lines
[01:45] <tseng> \sh: YES PLEASE.
[01:45] <bddebian> ajmitch: metric?  WTF is that? ;-P
[01:45] <\sh> tseng: GO AWAY !
[01:45] <\sh> *eg*
[01:45] <ajmitch> bddebian: something the civilised world uses
[01:45] <tseng> \sh: when else would we do it
[01:45] <ajmitch> tseng: november
[01:46] <\sh> tseng: breezy+1 when php5 is well tested...so we have time to change all modules as well to php5 (if there is a new upstream which supportes php5)
[01:46] <bddebian> tseng: Keep it down, you're talking too much
[01:46] <tseng> \sh: well then php will suck in breezy
[01:46] <tseng> \sh: because 4 is not supported
[01:46] <tseng> 5 is
[01:47] <tseng> all the stuff in main depends on 5
[01:47] <ajmitch> yes
[01:47] <\sh> tseng: those modules in universe is also unsupported...
[01:47] <\sh> s/is/are/
[01:47] <ajmitch> if we were given some more time, perhaps we could test everything in universe
[01:47] <tseng> unsupported <> unusable
[01:47] <\sh> tseng: and we can always backport them to breezy
[01:47] <ajmitch> so I guess we can at best dep on php4 | php5
[01:47] <tseng> i will be moving stuff i use to php5
[01:47] <ajmitch> and test them later
[01:48] <tseng> let me see what ogra did with mediawiki
[01:48] <\sh> ajmitch: or do two binary packages out of one source
[01:48] <tseng> \sh: no reason, its the same code
[01:48] <ajmitch> \sh: yes, that gets ugly to hack up
[01:48] <tseng> Depends: apache2 | httpd, php5 (>= 5.0.4), php5-mysql, debconf (>= 0.2.26)
[01:48] <tseng> Recommends: mysql-server
[01:48] <tseng> im doing the same thing
[01:48] <tseng> php5 or bust
[01:48] <ajmitch> you can't have php4 & php5 modules loaded at once in apache either
[01:49] <\sh> tseng: some people wants to use php4
[01:49] <tseng> i think depends on stuff in universe would be bad
[01:49] <tseng> are we smart with the | ?
[01:49] <tseng> \sh: tough cookies, i say
[01:50] <Lathiat> cant you php5 | php4
[01:50] <Lathiat> or php and have php4,5 provide: php and conflicts each other
[01:50] <Lathiat> or something
[01:50] <tseng> 1) maybe
[01:50] <tseng> 2) no
[01:50] <tseng> some stuff could (is?) known not to work with one of the two
[01:51] <\sh> Lathiat: we have both...5 in main 4 in universe
[01:51] <Lathiat> is all php4 apps guaranteed to work in php5?
[01:51] <tseng> no.
[01:51] <ajmitch> Lathiat: certainly not
[01:51] <\sh> Lathiat: so it will mostly pull 5 in and if we have bad luck it ftbfs because of php5
[01:51] <tseng> dude
[01:51] <Lathiat> bit harsh *forcing* people to use 5 then
[01:51] <ajmitch> \sh: php stuff hardly ftbfs :)
[01:51] <tseng> php doesnt build anyting
[01:51] <tseng> there is no FTBFS
[01:51] <tseng> its JIT
[01:52] <ajmitch> it's like VB for the web
[01:52] <\sh> ajmitch: well...I had some nice pitfalls at lycos with switching from 4.1 to 4.2 :(
[01:52] <tseng> or you could consider it interpreted
[01:52] <\sh> ajmitch: so I don't trust php at all
[01:52] <ajmitch> \sh: yeah, but that's running it, not building packages
[01:52] <tseng> ajmitch: ugh
[01:52] <tseng> ajmitch: dont say that again.
[01:52] <tseng> :)
[01:52] <\sh> ajmitch: I'm speaking of loadable modules for php not source for php
[01:52] <tseng> eh
[01:53] <tseng> no one is talking about loadable modules
[01:53] <tseng> thats a whole other can of worms
[01:53] <\sh> php-auth-pam is not php source .. it's plain C ,-)
[01:53] <ajmitch> \sh: well the php4 modules are all built - we don't care about them
[01:53] <ajmitch> I see..
[01:53] <ajmitch> those packages are just slightly different :P
[01:53] <\sh> hahaha
[01:53] <bddebian> Well shiite, the newer version of gaikachu doesn't build either..
[01:53] <ajmitch> \sh: we're talking about the mass of packages that run on php
[01:53] <chillywilly> rubyonrails is bad ass though :)
[01:54] <ajmitch> rather than the small number of extensions
[01:54] <tseng> chillywilly: yeah yeah
[01:54] <tseng> chillywilly: my code doesnt up and port itself to ruby, though.
[01:54] <ajmitch> \sh: php4 extensions would need to be ported to 5,
[01:54] <\sh> ajmitch: this is really something else..I was pointing to modules for php...not php sources like mediawiki or wordpress ,)
[01:54] <robitaille> tseng,   all the files in  libglib2.0-cil appears to have been installed
[01:54] <\sh> ajmitch: yes..and right now I'm not willing to do it
[01:54] <ajmitch> chillywilly: pls rewrite all php apps in universe for RoR then kthx
[01:54] <tseng> robitaille: ok.
[01:54] <chillywilly> ajmitch: no, you do it
[01:54] <ajmitch> \sh: there's absolutely no point in doing it
[01:54] <tseng> robitaille: well, i cant find anything wrong here
[01:55] <ajmitch> chillywilly: no, I'm not the RoR fan
[01:55] <tseng> robitaille: please beat me with a cluebat when you find one
[01:55] <ajmitch> I've actually got aother MOTU stuff to do :)
[01:55] <chillywilly> ajmitch: I find most web applications disgutingly violate the principles of the web :)
[01:55] <bddebian> WTF is rubyonrails anyway?
[01:55] <tseng> bddebian: ...
[01:55] <Lathiat> bddebian: www.rubyonrails.org
[01:55] <Lathiat> RoR ftw
[01:56] <ajmitch> bddebian: you obviously haven't been tuned in to the hype
[01:56] <bddebian> Hmm
[01:56] <bddebian> ajmitch: You know I'm st00pid :-)
[01:56] <tseng> ajmitch: dude i so showed you the code, its not hype
[01:56] <chillywilly> ajmitch: I think the *hype* is warranted
[01:56] <tseng> ajmitch: GET ON BOARD
[01:56] <ajmitch> bddebian: you know that's asking for a smart comment in return
[01:56] <thinkle> I'm getting an error at the following on dpkg-buildpackage (within dh_installdocs): cp -a \# debian/gnome-sudoku/usr/share/doc/gnome-sudoku -- seems obvious enough what the typo is, but grepping about debian/ isn't finding anything matching .*#.*doc.* Any pointers?
[01:57] <ajmitch> tseng: is it required to love RoR to be a tseng fanboy then?
[01:57] <bddebian> Heh
[01:57] <tseng> ajmitch: aboslutely
[01:58] <ajmitch> that's just not fair
[01:58] <tseng> ajmitch: you must conform.
[01:58] <robitaille> tseng,  question: is the fact that I have both libglib-cil and libglib2.0-cil installed could be a factor here?
[01:58] <chillywilly> time to feed my child
[01:58] <chillywilly> cya l8
[01:58] <chillywilly> r
[01:58] <tseng> robitaille: no
[01:58] <bddebian> l8r chillywilly
[01:58] <ajmitch> chillywilly: why isn't he helping with MOTU work yet?
[01:58] <tseng> robitaille: compare dpkg -L libglib{,2.0}-cil
[01:58] <tseng> robitaille: they are happily seperated
[02:00] <robitaille> tseng,  ok; I was just looking in /usr/lib/mono/gac/glib-sharp/ and noticed that I had 2 directories in there, only one coming from libglib2
[02:00] <tseng> robitaille: yes.
[02:00] <tseng> at least a better guess than "multisync ate my evo files and made glib disappear"
[02:00] <tseng> :)
[02:01] <tseng> that guy removing evo and it not removing beagle is a bug, though
[02:01] <tseng> evo-sharp needs to depend on evo stuff
[02:02] <slomo> i wonder why it doesn't
[02:04] <tseng> i dunno, but lets file it away in our list of things to fix
[02:05] <chillywilly> back
[02:07] <chillywilly> ajmitch: because he's only 8
[02:07] <\sh> I'm doing now all this shitty php4 extentions...
[02:07] <bddebian> ajmitch: Why isn't chillywilly helping with MOTU stuff? ;-)
[02:07] <ajmitch> chillywilly: that's more than old enough
[02:07] <bddebian> \sh: I repeat.  You DA MAN :-)
[02:08] <ajmitch> bddebian: because he's too good for us mere mortals :P
[02:08] <\sh> bddebian: no...
[02:08] <\sh> bddebian: I'm just bored
[02:08] <ajmitch> \sh: 5 minutes per package then? :)
[02:08] <\sh> ajmitch: less
[02:08] <ajmitch> yeah
[02:08] <chillywilly> bah
[02:10] <\sh> ajmitch: I hope everything is building as well on amd64/ppc/ia64
[02:11] <chillywilly> amd64 rules
[02:11] <bddebian> So what replaces just xlibmesa-dev, when it's not gl or glu ?
[02:11] <\sh> gnome-launch-box is PITA
[02:11] <ajmitch> \sh: nobody cares about those archs ;)
[02:11] <bddebian> hehe
[02:11] <ajmitch> bddebian: both, iirc
[02:11] <bddebian> ajmitch: OK, thx
[02:11] <ajmitch> bddebian: or you can check to see which one a package uses
[02:12] <chillywilly> I have 2 amd64 Ubuntu servers in production right now
[02:12] <slomo> \sh: you look at the packages as me ;)
[02:12] <\sh> bddebian: libgl1-mesa
[02:12] <chillywilly> I care
[02:12] <slomo> \sh: gnome-launch-box must be ported to the new gnome-menus api... good luck ;)
[02:12] <\sh> bddebian: libglu1-mesa
[02:12] <\sh> slomo: I know
[02:12] <\sh> slomo: but this is upstream work...
[02:13] <bddebian> \sh: OK, thx
[02:13] <\sh> slomo: and upstream stopped somehow...I checked svn
[02:13] <slomo> \sh: sure... but upstream seems to be dead :(
[02:13] <\sh> slomo: so morgue ,-)
[02:16] <\sh> ok...time for the third bottle of coke
[02:27] <ajmitch> coke, that's what i haven't had today...
[02:28] <bddebian> OK, what is libgl1-dev ?
[02:28] <ajmitch> hey jsgotangco
[02:28] <\sh> opengl
[02:28] <jsgotangco> hi
[02:28] <bddebian> \sh: I don't see the package, is there a replacement?
[02:28] <bddebian> Heya jsgotangco
[02:28] <\sh> libgl1-mesa-dev
[02:29] <Lathiat> bddebian: what you want
[02:29] <Lathiat> bddebian: is
[02:29] <Lathiat> libgl1-mesa-dev | libgl-dev
[02:29] <bddebian> I changed that for the build depends but it also depends libgl1-dev ?
[02:29] <Lathiat> also for glu
[02:29] <Lathiat> libglu1-mesa-dev | libglu-dev
[02:29] <Lathiat> bddebian: it *depends* on -dev ?
[02:29] <bddebian> Err libgl1, sorry
[02:30] <\sh> hmmm...
[02:30] <Lathiat> oh
[02:30] <Lathiat> so
[02:30] <\sh> phpize is broken
[02:30] <Lathiat> libgl1-mesa | libgl1
[02:30] <Lathiat> libglu1-mesa | libglu1
[02:30] <Lathiat> bddebian: they should be using shlibs tho
[02:30] <bddebian> Well it isnt :-)
[02:30] <bddebian> Should I "fix" it?
[02:30] <Lathiat> it sucks
[02:30] <Lathiat> :)
[02:30] <Lathiat> bddebian: nah dw
[02:30] <Lathiat> just make it as i said
[02:31] <\sh> ajmitch: u saw the output of phpize?
[02:33] <ajmitch> \sh: nope
[02:33] <bddebian>  /bin/bash: rebuild: command not found  ??  WTF is rebuild?
[02:33] <ajmitch> bddebian: magic
[02:33] <\sh> ajmitch: it says: phpapiver == 2002nnnn
[02:33] <\sh> but php-config --phpapi is telling the truth
[02:34] <\sh> /usr/bin/phpize
[02:34] <\sh> Configuring for:
[02:34] <\sh> PHP Api Version:         20020918
[02:34] <\sh> Zend Module Api No:      20020429
[02:34] <\sh> Zend Extension Api No:   20050606
[02:35] <ajmitch> \sh: I'll look
[02:35] <\sh> ajmitch: thx
[02:35] <\sh> anyways all packages uploaded
[02:36] <ajmitch> \sh: might be something to ask infinity
[02:36] <ajmitch> it's doing the  PHP_API_VERSION=`grep '#define PHP_API_VERSION' $includedir/main/php.h|sed 's/#define PHP_API_VERSION//'`
[02:36] <\sh> strange
[02:37] <\sh> lets see the output later when it's compiled
[02:38] <ajmitch> well php.h still has that old version
[02:42] <slomo> ajmitch: i think i'll make cabal uninstallable again for fixing the other stuff finally ;) or do you suggest something else?
[02:43] <ajmitch> slomo: ok, you can try that :)
[02:44] <ajmitch> break it so hard that elmo cries & has no choice but to remove it? ;)
[02:44] <slomo> lol
[02:44] <slomo> no
[02:44] <slomo> he will kill me :P
[02:44] <slomo> ok, i have one alternative... change haskell-devscripts to not depend on cabal
[02:47] <bddebian> ajmitch: Seriously, I'm getting that from debuild but dpkg-buildpackage works fine?
[02:49] <ajmitch> bddebian: and pbuilder build does what?
[02:49] <ajmitch> bddebian: grep over the package source tree
[02:50] <bddebian> ajmitch: I can't get that far but I might have fixed it, hang on
[02:50] <crimsun> \sh: you use snd_hda_intel on Breezy, correct?
[02:51] <\sh> crimsun: what I'm using? snd_hda_intel? u mean i915?
[02:51] <crimsun> \sh: what's the output from ''tail -2 /proc/asound/oss/sndstat''?
[02:51] <bddebian> Hmm  $(shell which yada) rebuild packages  ??
[02:51] <\sh> crimsun: on what laptop? portege or hp?
[02:51] <slomo> bddebian: yada is evil :(
[02:51] <crimsun> \sh: well, the Intel High Def Audio sound chipset
[02:51] <ajmitch> eww, yada
[02:51] <\sh> Mixers:
[02:51] <\sh> 0: Analog Devices AD1981B
[02:51] <\sh> this is nc6000
[02:51] <\sh> from hp
[02:51] <bddebian> This package pretty much sucks :-)
[02:52] <\sh> crimsun: the portege i have to switch on ... give me 2 mins
[02:52] <crimsun> \sh: ok
[02:52] <crimsun> those blasted ALC880 codecs :(
[02:54] <\sh> crimsun: 0: Analog Devices AD1981B
[02:54] <crimsun> \sh: all right, thanks.
[02:54] <\sh> portege r200 that is
[02:55] <crimsun> so far I've seen two critical reports of ALSA in Breezy's kernel OOPSing on boot because the AC'97 codec is blatantly misrecognized
[02:56] <crimsun> sigh, gonna be a long night of register dumps
[02:56] <slomo> are the ppc buildds dead?
[02:57] <Nafallo> crimsun: you seem to be a person that might know what I should do about my damn alsa-config ;-).
[02:57] <Nafallo> crimsun: headphones uses the headphonelevel and ignores master.
[02:57] <Nafallo> crimsun: annoying as I can't use my hotkeys for volume up and down while on headphones ;-)
[02:59] <crimsun> Nafallo: believe there's a bug open on mantis about it, but I don't have the details in front of me atm
[02:59] <Nafallo> mantis?
[02:59] <crimsun> ALSA's bugtracker linked from alsa-project.org
[03:00] <crimsun> unfortunately atm there's no convenient way to override mixer elements in a conffile
[03:00] <Nafallo> dang :-P
[03:01] <Nafallo> right now I have changed the applet to headphones and use the hotkeys for masterlevel ;-)
[03:05] <crimsun> yeah, the applet can be handy
[03:05] <crimsun> the entire control layer needs to be rewritten, though
[03:09] <Nafallo> crimsun: https://bugtrack.alsa-project.org/alsa-bug/view.php?id=1051
[03:09] <Nafallo> found it! :-)
[03:09] <Nafallo> that's my laptop to :-P
[03:11] <crimsun> line _in_?
[03:12] <Nafallo> hmm, no headphone. he have got it wrong ;-)
[03:12] <Nafallo> and it would be better to bind master and headphone than master and pcm
[03:13] <crimsun> god, this is gonna be special-case hell
[03:13] <Nafallo> :-P
[03:14] <bddebian> Uh-oh did someone pick off qglviewer?
[03:14] <bddebian> Oh nm
[03:16] <crimsun> Nafallo: what's the output from ''tail -2 /proc/asound/oss/sndstat''?
[03:16] <Nafallo> *sigh* can't we just drop this "you need a name and password on bugtrackers" shit? ;-)
[03:16] <Nafallo> 0: Realtek ALC250 rev 2
[03:16] <Nafallo> 1: Silicon Laboratory Si3036,8 rev
[03:20] <crimsun> hmm
[03:22] <crimsun> Nafallo: what happens when you modprobe snd-via82xx ac97_quirk=hp_only ?
[03:22] <crimsun> (after unloading snd-via82xx)
[03:23] <Nafallo> is there a quick way to unload it all? :-)
[03:23] <crimsun> invoke-rc.d alsa force-unload
[03:25] <Nafallo> hmm, I'll have to reboot. I forgot I switched kernel ;-)
[03:25] <Nafallo> brb
[03:29] <Nafallo> back
[03:29] <Nafallo> modprobe snd_via82xx ac97_quirk=hp_only
[03:29] <Nafallo> right?
[03:29] <crimsun> yep
[03:31] <Nafallo> turned off my right headphone
[03:31] <Nafallo> and that's all
[03:31] <crimsun> grr
[03:32] <bddebian> Yeah grr
[03:32] <crimsun> do you have a 'Headphone Jack Sense'?
[03:32] <crimsun> if so, is it enabled/unmuted?
[03:32] <Nafallo> nope, not that I can see.
[03:33] <crimsun> ok, one down.
[03:33] <crimsun> welp, no hp_only for you
[03:33] <Nafallo> any other quirks? :-)
[03:36] <crimsun> not for your codec (yet)
[03:37] <slomo_> ok, silly question... dh_shlibdeps -a -Lpostgresql-dev.... this makes the package depend on postgresql-dev, correct?
[03:41] <bddebian> Sounds right but seems weird to depend on a -dev package
[03:41] <slomo_> ok... so i'll remove this crap and make it right ;)
[03:42] <bddebian> Don't quote me though, I'm not the brightest star in the sky :-)
[03:42] <Lathiat> yo tseng
[03:45] <slomo_> Lathiat: do you use sebest's panel applet? since the 0.4 update i sometimes get workstation disappeared notifications directly followed by a workstation discovered notification
[03:45] <Lathiat> slomo_: yes we're aware of that, unsure of the problem
[03:45] <Lathiat> i need to talk to lennart morre
[03:46] <slomo_> ok... hope we get this fixed for breezy ;)
[03:46] <bddebian> Heya LaserJock
[03:46] <Lathiat> slomo_: mm not so hopeful
[03:46] <Lathiat> maybe
[03:46] <LaserJock> Hi! bddebian
[03:48] <\sh> ok..enough for toda
[03:48] <\sh> y
[03:49] <bddebian> Gnight \sh :-)
[03:50] <slomo_> gn8 \sh :) when do you sleep normally? or can you sleep long tomorrow?
[03:53] <\sh> moment...
[03:53] <\sh> i'm not finished
[03:53] <\sh> grmpf
[03:53] <\sh> php-imlib
[03:53] <\sh> slomo_: I have holidays :)
[03:53] <bddebian> \sh: infinity just asked elmo for a sync
[03:54] <bddebian> Sheesh, mozart it taking forver to build..
[03:55] <ajmitch> bddebian: get a faster box
[03:56] <bddebian> Heh, no shix
[03:56] <slomo_> bddebian: build gwydion-dylan... that takes forever :P
[03:56] <\sh> bddebian: it won't work without xlibs-dev or libx11-dev
[03:56] <bddebian> ajmitch: I'm just gonna have to convert all my Hurd boxes to Ubuntu machines.. ;-)
[03:56] <ajmitch> bddebian: might as well
[03:57] <\sh> slomo_: and normally I sleep around 10 UTC ;)
[03:57] <ajmitch> by the time breezy+24 comes around, the hurd might be usable ;)
[03:57] <\sh> 10pm UTC ;)
[03:57] <LaserJock> bddebian: try running Gentoo ;-) That takes a while to compile
[03:57] <bddebian> LaserJock: Uhm, no thanks :-)
[03:57] <bddebian> ajmitch: Heh
[04:00] <LaserJock> have you guys heard from bmonty in a while?
[04:00] <bddebian> I think he was here last night
[04:01] <LaserJock> hmm, I was going to talk to him about ghemical but I keep missing him
[04:03] <bddebian> Is the mozilla-locale-* crap even worth looking at?
[04:04] <LaserJock> what's the deal with the myth* stuff?
[04:05] <bddebian> What do you mean,what's the deal with it?
[04:05] <slomo> LaserJock: it's evil ;)
[04:05] <LaserJock> is there a reason why there is a bunch of myth stuff in the Nobody section?
[04:06] <ajmitch> LaserJock: we're going to try & get 0.18 in
[04:06] <bddebian> LaserJock: Just means that it has an unmet dep and no-one has looked at it yet
[04:06] <ajmitch> it just requires some fixes first
[04:06] <bddebian> ajmitch: It's in
[04:06] <ajmitch> bddebian: not the plugins
[04:06] <bddebian> Oh
[04:06] <Nafallo> crimsun: hp_only wasn't the cause for only left speaker. I accidently put the plug in to far ;-).
[04:06] <Nafallo> didn't fix anything either :-P
[04:07] <bddebian> ajmitch: What about the mozilla-locale-* crap?
[04:07] <LaserJock> I've never had to deal with it. I've heard some horror stories :-) . I just wondered if there was something that they where having a problem with. Like gcc or something
[04:07] <ajmitch> bddebian: dunno
[04:07] <ajmitch> LaserJock: yes, mythtv stuff isn't compiling right with g++ 4.0
[04:08] <bddebian> I pulled an update from CVS that worked
[04:08] <LaserJock> ajmitch: is it OK to use g++-3.4 if 4.0 doesn't work ? Or is that no good?
[04:08] <ajmitch> LaserJock: yes
[04:09] <ajmitch> LaserJock: but we have to use packages from elsewhere for 0.18
[04:09] <bddebian> LaserJock: It's not preferred but in some cases (openswan for example) we may not have a choice
[04:10] <LaserJock> OK, I sent the Debian maintainer some fixes for libghemical and one of them was using 3.4 instead of 4.0
[04:10] <LaserJock> I don't know if it could be fixed, I just saw something on the CVS and tried it and it worked
[04:11] <bddebian> ajmitch: Are there any phpapi-* packages that actually exist?
[04:14] <bddebian> ajmitch: nm, I'll try the newer version using php4-dev
[04:14] <slomo> bddebian: <ajmitch> phpapi-20050606
[04:15] <ajmitch> that's a virtual package
[04:19] <bddebian> Hello jaldhar
[04:19] <xerxas> hi
[04:19] <jaldhar> bddebian: hello
[04:19] <bddebian> Hello xerxas
[04:20] <slomo> ok, good night everybody ;)
[04:20] <Nafallo> slomo: gnight :-)
[04:20] <bddebian> Gnight slomo, good stuff as always :-)
[04:21] <xerxas> would it make sense to add "ForwardX11 yes" to /etc/ssh/ssh_config in the openssh-client package ?
[04:21] <\sh> no
[04:21] <Nafallo> no
[04:21] <bddebian> no
[04:22] <xerxas> :)
[04:22] <LaserJock> aw heck, me too. no ;-)
[04:22] <xerxas> why ?
[04:22] <Nafallo> hehe
[04:23] <Nafallo> people that needs it know how to turn it on themselves?
[04:24] <ajmitch> because people should have that in ~/.ssh if they want it?
[04:24] <ajmitch> it can be a security hole in itself?
[04:24] <xerxas> X11 forwarding should be enabled with caution. (from the manpage)
[04:24] <xerxas> ajmitch, I think I spoke too fast
[04:24] <Nafallo> bddebian: ofcourse you do ;-)
[04:25] <ajmitch> if you don't trust the system you're logging into, well..
[04:25] <LaserJock> I think you can also use ssh -X instead of changing the ssh_config file
[04:25] <ajmitch> programs on that system can spy on your whole desktop session, record keystrokes, etc :)
[04:27] <bddebian> I thought libdps1 was a goner?
[04:27] <ajmitch> bddebian: yep
[04:28] <ajmitch> gone, kaput, vanished
[04:28] <bddebian> OK, so remove dep in tclmagick? ;-)
[04:28] <ajmitch> hm, it should have been done already?
[04:28] <ajmitch> or did I not upload that?
[04:28] <bddebian> Still shows in my local unmet deps
[04:28] <bddebian> When did you do it?
[04:29] <ajmitch> ok, will upload
[04:29] <bddebian> awesome, thanks
[04:29] <Nafallo> wasn't on my breezy-changes ;-)
[04:29] <ajmitch> I did most of the other magicks :)
[04:33] <bddebian> "Always, always, I tell you.  Be what you is, not what you is not..."
[04:33] <\sh> ajmitch: go for libgda2 ;)
[04:36] <Nafallo> yay!
[04:36] <Nafallo> gnome-screensaver speaks swedish.
[04:36] <Nafallo> and I haven't noticed :-P
[04:42] <LaserJock> you guys don't happen to know why man pages have weird characters? This is driving me nuts
[04:43] <\sh> weired characters?
[04:43] <LaserJock> like a different encoding or something
[04:44] <\sh> utf-8?
[04:44] <LaserJock> should I have utf-8 or no?
[04:44] <\sh> utf-8 is standard normally
[04:46] <\sh> g'night guys...finished for this morning :)
[04:50] <LaserJock> I am trying to rebuild quick-lounge-applet but I get "menu-tree.h: No such file or directory"  and I can't find it anywhere. Do you guys happen to know?
[04:55] <bddebian> LaserJock: Not offhand but hang on, I'm looking
[04:57] <bddebian> Hmm, libgnome-menu-dev has a gmenu-tree.h but I don't see just a menu-tree.h
[05:01] <LaserJock> hmm, well I think that Debian must have it because it builds ok there
[05:01] <Lathiat> bddebian: its api/namespace changed
[05:01] <Lathiat> LaserJock: are you looking at quick-lounge-applet?
[05:01] <Lathiat> i ported it to the new api
[05:01] <Lathiat> however it didnt quite work right
[05:01] <Lathiat> hadnt had time to figure out why
[05:02] <Lathiat> (the api port wasnt 100% trivial, a few names changed to less obvious things, etc)
[05:02] <LaserJock> hmm, I tried to build the Debian source and got the same error
[05:03] <Lathiat> yes
[05:03] <Lathiat> it hasnt been ported upstream
[05:03] <Lathiat> i checked their cvs
[05:05] <LaserJock> so as far as UniverseUnmetDeps is concerned, should it go in the FixMe section?
[05:05] <Lathiat> i guess so
[05:05] <bddebian> LaserJock: Yes, please
[05:42] <lamont> Rejected: php4-imap_4.3.10-2ubuntu2_hppa.deb: old version (4:5.0.4-1) in breezy >= new version (4:4.3.10-2ubuntu2) targeted at breezy.
[05:42] <lamont> so who uploaded php4-imap, I wonder...
[05:43] <ajmitch> infinity synced, iirc
[05:43] <bddebian> Wasn't me :-)
[05:43] <lamont> with a -ubuntu version number, I'm having a hard time believing in 'synced'......
[05:44] <bddebian> I think \sh was working on some build issues with it
[05:44] <ajmitch> you're right..
[05:44] <ajmitch>  Accepted php-imap 5.0.5-1
[05:44] <ajmitch> on breezy-changes though
[05:44] <ajmitch> ignore me
[05:44] <ajmitch> that's php-imap
[05:44] <ajmitch> not php4-imap
[05:45] <bddebian> Oh heh, whoops
[05:45] <lamont> but php-imap delivered (in 4:5.0.4-1) a binary package named 'php4-imap', and so you're hosed.
[05:45] <ajmitch> I see nothing on breezy-changes about it
[05:45] <lamont> but adding an epoch is something you really really really really want to avoid.
[05:46] <lamont> me neither.
[05:46] <Lathiat> lamont: why is that, btw
[05:46] <lamont> Lathiat: because being out of sync with debian on epoch numbers would be a royal pain in the rear.
[05:46] <bddebian> OK, stalin sucks
[05:46] <lamont> Lathiat: because there's no going back once you bump the epoch...
[05:47] <Lathiat> lamont: just it seems to be a debian thing not to put an epoch too
[05:47] <Lathiat> lamont: wondering why
[05:47] <lamont> at the same time, php4-imap_4:5.0.4.99-really-4.3.10-2ubuntu2 looks pretty ugly too....
[05:48] <lamont> adding an epoch is really just saying "I screwed up, kthxbye"
[05:49] <Lathiat> right
[06:02] <bddebian> Gnight folks
[09:03] <pef> hello
[09:26] <dholbach> good morning
[09:28] <ajmitch> morning dholbach
[09:29] <dholbach> hey andrew :)
[09:29] <ajmitch> what's up?
[09:30] <dholbach> good question :)
[09:30] <dholbach> still no internet access :-(((
[09:30] <dholbach> i had to travel for internet again
[09:31] <dholbach> *GRRRR*
[09:33] <Treenaks> dholbach: not enough wifi'ing neighbors?
[09:34] <dholbach> 3, but all encrypted and poor signal
[09:34] <dholbach> yesterday i took a day off just to wait for a never-arriving technician
[09:34] <dholbach> i was ready to kill after 5h of waiting and 39m in the hotline listening to justing timberlake and the like
[09:38] <Treenaks> dholbach: yay ex-monopolies?
[09:38] <dholbach> i moved away from telekom, but actually it got worse
[10:02] <\sh> morning
[10:02] <\sh> *yawn*
[10:06] <dholbach> where on the wiki is the bug day draft?
[10:08] <robitaille> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay
[10:08] <\sh> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay
[10:09] <\sh> oops
[10:09] <robitaille> :)
[10:09] <robitaille> there is some echo in this room :)
[10:09] <robitaille> wiki auth seems to be down right now...
[10:10] <Burgundavia> robitaille, they pulled down lp for an upgrade
[10:10] <\sh> robitaille: I go back to bed just now...:
[10:10] <dholbach> we need to get the announcement out
[10:11] <\sh> ajmitch: wanted to do it :(
[10:27] <pef> launchpad is down too
[10:42] <\sh> trying libgda2-1.2.2 (new upstream) but I need to go bed
[10:50] <\sh> also here the same ftbfs error
[11:04] <\sh> grmpf
[11:05] <\sh> the script to determine the unmet deps is wrong
[11:52] <ajmitch> hm
[11:56] <\sh> ajmitch: did u send out the announcement of the bug day? ;)
[11:56] <ajmitch> \sh: nope
[11:59] <\sh> i need to sleep at least 2 more hours
[12:02] <\sh> going to bed again...cu later
[12:10] <dholbach> are  #11093,  #11096  and  #11097  already fixed?
[12:10] <ivoks> hello
[12:31] <siretart> hi folks!
[12:31] <dholbach> hi siretart
[12:31] <siretart> dholbach!! :)
[12:32] <siretart> how's it going?
[12:32] <dholbach> fine... thank you :)
[12:32] <dholbach> how it .at?
[12:32] <dholbach> where are you exactly?
[12:32] <siretart> in Spittal, near Villach
[12:33] <dholbach> ah :)
[12:33] <dholbach> my sister will move to vienna soon :)
[12:45] <siretart> cool :)
[12:45] <siretart> how's berlin?
[12:48] <ivoks> hi
[12:48] <siretart> hi ivoks
[12:48] <ivoks> totem can't play mms?
[12:49] <siretart> if you have w32codecs installed, it should work via totem-xine
[12:51] <shawarma> ivoks: Is the gstreamer-mms plugin packaged?
[12:52] <shawarma> ivoks: AFAICS it isn't.
[12:53] <ivoks> ok
[12:53] <ivoks> then gxine is my prefered app :)
[12:54] <ivoks> (and i don't have w32codecs)
[12:56] <ivoks> shawarma: problems? :)
[12:57] <shawarma> ivoks: Freakin' wireless network at university.
[12:57] <ivoks> :/
[12:57] <shawarma> If you ever replied to the gstreamer-mms question, I didn't receive it..
[12:58] <ivoks> 12:53 < ivoks> ok
[12:58] <ivoks> 12:54 < ivoks> then gxine is my prefered app :)
[12:58] <ivoks> 12:54 < ivoks> (and i don't have w32codecs)
[12:58] <shawarma> Ok... maybe my message didn't get through.. I asked if gstreamer-mms was packaged?
[12:58] <ivoks> no
[12:59] <ivoks> response to that was "ok"
[12:59] <shawarma> Maybe someone should do that. gstreamer is in main, isn't it?
[12:59] <shawarma> ivoks: Oh, right.
[01:00] <ivoks> maybe we could package that?
[01:00] <shawarma> My point exactly.
[01:00] <shawarma> The other gstreamer stuff is in main, right?
[01:00] <ivoks> except multiverse plugins
[01:01] <shawarma> right. gstreamer-mms could go into universe, but I guess it ought to be in main.
[01:02] <shawarma> It's part of the gstreamer core now a days, I think.
[01:03] <ivoks> universe? hm... isn't it non-free?
[01:04] <shawarma> I don't remember. I was actually part of the dev team on that plugin for a while.
[01:04] <ivoks> could you provide source? :)
[01:05] <shawarma> I think it's on sourceforge. Gimme a sec.
[01:05] <shawarma> http://sourceforge.net/projects/libmms/    geez, I'm still listed as a developer. LOL.
[01:06] <shawarma> I haven't touched the thing in years.
[01:06] <shawarma> Well, if it's on sourceforge it can't be non-free.
[01:07] <ivoks> doesn't look alive :)
[01:07] <shawarma> http://cvs.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.py/libmms/libmms/gst-mms/
[01:07] <shawarma> if it works, don't fix it. :-D
[01:08] <shawarma> Oh, it seems (from the CVS log) that the gstreamer plugin has been removed from sourceforge because it's in the gstreamer cvs now.
[01:08] <ivoks> hm
[01:08] <shawarma> that's why I don't get why it's not already packaged...
[01:08] <shawarma> http://cvs.freedesktop.org/gstreamer/gst-plugins/ext/libmms/
[01:08] <shawarma> right there.
[01:10] <dholbach> does anybody know what happened to 11694  ? and the other bugs i mentioned some minutes ago?
[01:10] <ivoks> shawarma: would you like to package it?
[01:10] <shawarma> Maybe... I'd like to first find out why it isn't in main already.. But sure, why not?
[01:11] <ivoks> we should have this
[01:11] <shawarma> Hehe! It's even in the source package for gstreamer0.8
[01:11] <ivoks> it works on debian, tough...
[01:11] <shawarma> I'll probably submit a patch to that package then. Hold on.
[01:11] <ivoks> ok
[01:19] <ogra> dholbach, they hide from you and dont wannabe fixed ?
[01:20] <dholbach> ogra: they might be fixed already, that's why i asked :)
[01:20] <ogra> :)
[01:21] <ogra> if someone wants a really hard bug, try 14967 :)
[01:23] <shawarma> ogra: Wow... That looks fscked up. Have you reproduced it?
[01:24] <ogra> shawarma, it reproduces itself here, several times a day :(
[01:24] <shawarma> ogra: Weirdness.
[01:24] <ogra> yup
[01:25] <ogra> i'll look for a inotify specialist after the edubuntu meeting today i think...
[01:28] <shawarma> Is it only Pan?
[01:28] <ogra> all KDE apps
[01:28] <ogra> which is very odd for edubuntu, since it provides apps from both worlds
[01:30] <shawarma> Pan isn't a KDE app..
[01:30] <ogra> nope
[01:30] <shawarma> So Pan and all KDE apps.
[01:31] <ogra> i'm not particulary interested in pan... pan registers its .desktop file in a gnome1 dir thats wrong anyway
[01:31] <ajmitch> ah, sabdfl has officially announced dapper
[01:31] <shawarma> dapper?
[01:31] <ajmitch> good to see :)
[01:31] <ajmitch> breezy+1
[01:31] <shawarma> Oh!
[01:31] <ogra> you can boil it down to "all apps that dont put their .desktop files in /usr/share/applications"
[01:31] <shawarma> dodgy dapper? Or?
[01:32] <shawarma> ogra: Oh. Hmm, I see.
[01:32] <ajmitch> dapper drake
[01:32] <shawarma> I see.
[01:32] <shawarma> coolness.
[01:32] <ogra> the friendly dragon :)
[01:34] <Treenaks> ogra: dragon is too KDEish ;)
[01:35] <ogra> drake not ?
[01:35] <ogra> dholbach, diff ?
[01:35] <dholbach> please check: http://tinyurl.com/btwff
[01:35] <ogra> ah, thanks
[01:36] <shawarma> The first one is fixed.
[01:36] <shawarma> It's in REVU.
[01:36] <ogra> yehia, libsigc tulip ?  these were done months ago ...
[01:37] <ogra> even tyvis ...
[01:37] <shawarma> poker3d, that is.
[01:38] <ogra> why are the above not closed, they should be done since ages ?
[01:38] <mvo> dholbach: to fix babytrans we need babytrans-common from ftp.nerim.net, what's the usual way to get stuff from a apt-get.org repo? can it just be synced?
[01:39] <dholbach> mvo: why is it on marillat's repo? non-free-ness?
[01:39] <dholbach> mvo: maybe it's a case like libdvdcss?
[01:39] <dholbach> mvo then we can't pull it in at all
[01:40] <ogra> dholbach, its free...
[01:40] <ogra> its just not imported
[01:40] <dholbach> if it really is, put it on the AptGetOrg wiki page - i'll take care of it
[01:40] <dholbach> thanks for that.
[01:42] <mvo> dholbach: it looks like it's missing a license (also the debian/copyright file claims that it's free)
[01:42] <dholbach> hrm
[01:42] <dholbach> elmo won't like that
[01:42] <mvo> if so, it's probably easier to remove babytrans (because it's useless without babytrans-common
[01:43] <dholbach> does it have lots of rdepends?
[01:44] <shawarma> ivoks: I'm behind this stupid proxy... Could you test the mms-package for me?
[01:45] <mvo> dholbach: none
[01:46] <dholbach> well :)
[01:46] <shawarma> ivoks: http://www.warma.dk/gstreamer0.8-mms_0.8.11-0ubuntu4_i386.deb
[01:46] <dholbach> wiki.ubuntu.com/MorgueCandidates :-)
[01:48] <mvo> dholbach: asked elmo for removal, thanks
[01:48] <dholbach> super
[01:51] <shawarma> Why am I writing to people who aren't here? Argh..
[01:54] <dholbach> drakes have nothing to do with dragons :)
[01:54] <ogra> nop
[01:54] <ogra> e
[01:54] <slomo> dholbach: that was my first thought too... until i looked in the dictionary ;)
[01:55] <dholbach> hey slomo :)
[01:56] <shawarma> Could someone please test a mms plugin for gstreamer for me? I'm behind this stupid proxy so i can't test it..
[01:56] <shawarma> http://www.warma.dk/gstreamer0.8-mms_0.8.11-0ubuntu4_i386.deb
[01:58] <slomo> hi dholbach :) wish me luck with the haskell stuff ;) i have a feeling that most of this stuff will fail :P
[01:58] <dholbach> *fingers crossed* :)
[02:00] <slomo> Nafallo: ping?
[02:15] <\sh_away> ogra: yehia is not cxx transitioned..because it's ftbfsing too much and upstream doesn't do anything since 3 years..
[02:16] <ogra> oh, ok
[02:17] <\sh> ogra: I think I'll put it on morgue..yes..I will
[02:17] <mvo> what do I have to do if I fix universe broken stuff? update some list or something?
[02:17] <\sh> move it from "fixme" or "nobody" to "mvo" ;)
[02:17] <ogra> \sh, DOIT !
[02:19] <ajmitch> mvo: great! another universe fixer! :)
[02:20] <mvo> \sh: I assume "Incoming" means it has no owner yet?
[02:20] <\sh> mvo: yes but it's tagged with "Nobody" ;)
[02:20] <mvo> ajmitch: heh :) just the stuff in gnome-app-install
[02:21] <ajmitch> \sh, ogra: fyi I did get the bug day announce sent out
[02:21] <\sh> ajmitch: thx and g'night :)
[02:22] <\sh> btw...I need a list with all morgue candidates..so that I can send elmo all the packages in one mail ;)
[02:23] <slomo> \sh: you'll get some haskell stuff later ;)
[02:23] <slomo> btw... what is with the ghc5-only stuff? ghc5 is still broken...
[02:24] <\sh> ogra: and aqsis the same...https://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1225058&group_id=25264&atid=383970
[02:27] <\sh> slomo: k
[02:46] <slomo> hmm... i wonder why all debian maintainers for haskell packages are dead or don't work...
[03:09] <slomo> \sh: ping?
[03:09] <\sh> slomo: pong
[03:09] <slomo>  dpkg-source -b c2hs-0.13.6
[03:09] <slomo> dpkg-source: building c2hs using existing c2hs_0.13.6.orig.tar.gz
[03:09] <slomo> tar: c2hs-0.13.6/c2hs/mk/c2hs.pck.mk: Cannot open: File exists
[03:09] <slomo> tar: c2hs-0.13.6/c2hs/mk/config.mk.in: Cannot open: File exists
[03:09] <slomo> tar: Error exit delayed from previous errors
[03:09] <slomo> can you help me? ;)
[03:10] <\sh> dpkg-source -x *.dsc?
[03:10] <slomo> no... pdebuild
[03:10] <slomo> i had to use a new upstream version of this and now it fails that way ;)
[03:10] <\sh> hmmm....what is debuild -S saying?
[03:10] <\sh> uupdate?
[03:10] <slomo> yes
[03:11] <\sh> do a debuild -S and check the output
[03:11] <slomo> it says the same ;)
[03:12] <\sh> grmpf
[03:12] <slomo> i can make a native package out of it and it works... but that can't be the solution...
[03:12] <\sh> slomo: can u send me the .dsc,.diff.gz and .tar.gz?
[03:13] <slomo> there is no diff.gz... the failure is while creating this one
[03:13] <\sh> slomo: link to upstream?
[03:14] <slomo> http://www.cse.unsw.edu.au/~chak/haskell/c2hs/c2hs-0.13.6.tar.gz
[03:14] <slomo> just use the old packaging we have and substitute ghc5 with ghc6 in rules and control
[03:16] <\sh> slomo: hmmm
[03:16] <\sh> same here...
[03:16] <\sh> strange
[03:17] <slomo> any suggestions? ;)
[03:18] <\sh> nope
[03:18] <slomo> hrm
[03:18] <\sh> I never seen this behaviour
[03:18] <\sh> who is our dpkg guru?
[03:19] <slomo> no idea... we really need one ;)
[03:19] <\sh> slomo: ask on -devel ;)
[03:27] <bddebian> Heya gang
[03:28] <Nafallo> morning bddebian
[03:28] <slomo> \sh: no answer :(
[03:28] <bddebian> Heya Nafallo
[03:29] <bddebian> Welcome dholbach
[03:29] <dholbach> re :)
[03:29] <slomo> wb dholbach :) can you help me? ;) i get this while creation of the diff.gz: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2182
[03:29] <\sh> dholbach <- is now our dpkg guru ;)
[03:30] <\sh> and I'm helping ogra in managing children ;)
[03:31] <bddebian> Heh
[03:31] <dholbach> slomo: does untarring and applying the patch work?
[03:31] <slomo> dholbach: there is no patch... new upstream version ;) but uupdate worked without problems
[03:31] <slomo> \sh: children?
[03:32] <\sh> slomo: edubuntu stuff ,)
[03:32] <dholbach> slomo: permissions?
[03:32] <slomo> \sh: ah... nothing for me ;)
[03:32] <\sh> slomo: how to provide responsibilty to small children in working with computers and usernames/password
[03:32] <slomo> dholbach: what do you suggest? chmod -R 777 *? ;)
[03:33] <dholbach> slomo: have a look if it tried to replace something, which it wasnt able to
[03:33] <slomo> dholbach: but i could run it with sudo to test...
[03:34] <slomo> dholbach: doesn't work with sudo... and afaik it doesn't replace anything... the only changes are the debian directory and config.sub/guess
[03:34] <slomo> dholbach: when i make it a native package everything works ;)
[03:34] <\sh> slomo: sam
[03:34] <\sh> e
[03:35] <dholbach> slomo  debuild -S -sa  it again
[03:35] <slomo> dholbach: same ;)
[03:35] <dholbach> *grumpf*
[03:36] <slomo> debuild needs a force-all option where it can kill everything ;)
[03:37] <Yagisan> edbuntu suitable for toddlers ?
[03:38] <bddebian> slomo: Aye :-)
[03:40] <slomo> dholbach: no idea? hmm... uploading it as a native package is no solution i think ;)
[03:41] <dholbach> hhehe
[03:41] <dholbach> could you upload it somewhere, so i could have a look?
[03:41] <bddebian> slomo: Don't do it.. ;-)
[03:42] <slomo> dholbach: get http://www.cse.unsw.edu.au/~chak/haskell/c2hs/c2hs-0.13.6.tar.gz && apt-get source c2hs && uupdate && s/ghc5/ghc6/ in control and rules ;)
[03:47] <dholbach> that's funny :)
[03:49] <dholbach> sorry no idea
[03:49] <slomo> no it is not :P i just wanted to fix this package in a few minutes and learn maths after that... but now that error which doesn't make sense ;)
[03:51] <slomo> hm ok
[04:04] <slomo> dholbach: and how do i fix this crappy package now? :(
[04:05] <dholbach> i added some high-priority stuff to UniverseUnmetDeps :)
[04:05] <dholbach> slomo did you try a manual update?
[04:05] <dholbach> without uupdate?
[04:05] <slomo> sure... same problem
[04:06] <slomo> what's the high priority stuff?
[04:06] <dholbach> on top of the page
[04:06] <dholbach> gnome-app-install wants it
[04:06] <slomo> i don't want to see any haskell stuff for the next few hours ;) dead debian maintainers and everything... brrr
[04:07] <mbreit> dholbach: i'll have a look at the psi package...
[04:07] <dholbach> mbreit: super and hi by the way :)
[04:07] <slomo> haha... xmule ;)
[04:07] <mbreit> oh, hi there as well ;)
[04:07] <slomo> i take this :)
[04:08] <slomo> dholbach: this man == mvo?
[04:08] <dholbach> yep :)
[04:09] <slomo> "his is yet another stable xMule release. Version 1.10.1 mainly focuses on fixing compilation and compatibility bugs. Please note that this version is the first version to include the xMule Acceptable Use License"
[04:09] <slomo> hmm
[04:11] <mbreit> hmm... looks like psi could be synced against debian... the only change there is gcc-4 fixes
[04:13] <slomo> "* Removed Audio+Video search categories to further hinder illegal downloads."
[04:13] <slomo> all insane ;)
[04:14] <Yagisan> xmule has gone nuts. See the comments on the front page
[04:14] <Yagisan> anyone actually use it ?
[04:14] <hunger> slomo: Cool! A technical "solution" to a legal problem!
[04:14] <Yagisan> is there a popcon for ubuntu ?
[04:15] <ogra> Yagisan, yes
[04:15] <ogra> popcon.ubuntu.com
[04:17] <\sh> mbreit: what about psi?
[04:17] <mbreit> \sh: needs to be synced to debian
[04:17] <Yagisan> ogra: thanks - ubuntu's (hoary)  popcon use http, or email ?
[04:18] <mbreit> i'll write elmo a mail
[04:18] <\sh> mbreit: to or from?
[04:18] <mbreit> from
[04:18] <ogra> Yagisan, http...
[04:18] <ogra> Yagisan, but you need to enable it by running dpkg-reconfigure popcon
[04:19] <\sh> mbreit: there is another issue with psi
[04:20] <\sh> lemme check the source from debian
[04:20] <mbreit> \sh: what issue?
[04:20] <bddebian> dholbach: High priority stuff?? :-)
[04:20] <\sh> mbreit: gpg-agent
[04:20] <dholbach> bddebian: yes, to make mvo happy
[04:20] <Yagisan> thanks ogra.
[04:20] <\sh> mbreit: per default it's enabled to use gpg-agent
[04:21] <\sh> mbreit: but we don't start gpg-agent by default ... so it must be disabled in the desktop file
[04:21] <bddebian> dholbach: mvo?  Who's that? ;-)
[04:22] <\sh> bddebian: it's _the_ man who brings u the update-manager ,-)
[04:22] <dholbach> bddebian: michael vogt, a delightful man, taking care of apt, synaptic, gnome-app-install, update-{notifi,manag}er :)
[04:23] <bddebian> dholbach: I was joking :-)
[04:23] <ogra> dholbach, he's kidding you ;)
[04:23] <dholbach> :)
[04:23] <\sh> mbreit: i will take care about it
[04:23] <ogra> lol
[04:23] <mbreit> \sh: okay
[04:23] <slomo> aclocal: configure.ac: 26: macro `AM_OPTIONS_WXCONFIG' not found in library
[04:23] <slomo> any ideas?
[04:24] <Lathiat> slomo: wxwiwndows?
[04:24] <bddebian> Neutrino should be fairly easy, just needs a sync and a newer libnjb-dev
[04:24] <Lathiat> need the automake foo installed?
[04:24] <slomo> Lathiat: is installed ;)
[04:24] <\sh> which version?
[04:24] <slomo> \sh: automake 1.7... and this one gets called
[04:25] <\sh> hmmm...
[04:25] <\sh> check what am_options_wxconfig does and add it ,-)
[04:26] <slomo> first i need to find out where it is ;)
[04:26] <slomo> that's exactly the problem :P
[04:27] <bddebian> Someone already looking at gnunet?  Thierry has it on his list?
[04:27] <slomo> wx-common... hmm
[04:28] <slomo> bddebian: fix it when you want ;)
[04:29] <bddebian> slomo: Well it's on dholbach's new "priority" list ;-)
[04:29] <slomo> bddebian: i know... so fix it ;)
[04:30] <bddebian> slomo: OK, I just didn't want to step on any toes :-)
[04:34] <slomo> oh no
[04:34] <bddebian> No?
[04:35] <slomo> xmule doesn't like me ;)
[04:37] <dholbach> ogra: couldn't gcompris coerced into running with python2.4? (12280) - you spent some time struggling with it... didn't that work?
[04:38] <bddebian> slomo: xmule is ugly.  I looked at it early on
[04:38] <ogra> dholbach, nope...
[04:38] <ogra> dholbach, it needs an upgrade before release anyway, i'll look into it...
[04:39] <ogra> just put it aside, its my issue :)
[04:39] <slomo> bddebian: but i think i fixed it now...
[04:39] <Yagisan> with that new clause, xmule would be moving to multiverse right ?
[04:39] <bddebian> slomo: You ROCK
[04:39] <bddebian> shit, newer gnunet wants a newer version of libextractor-dev
[04:40] <slomo> Yagisan: no idea... but i just fixed the old version ;) i don't want to mess with licenses
[04:44] <slomo> xmule uploaded
[04:46] <slomo> stopmotion is mine ;)
[04:48] <\sh> ogra: what about gcompris?
[04:50] <ogra> \sh,  i'll care for it...
[04:50] <ogra> i have to backport a lot 7.0 fixes...
[04:50] <\sh> gnarf :(
[04:50] <bddebian> Not that anyone cares ;-)
[04:50] <ogra> no, its ok... thats for my last week before release :)
[04:51] <dholbach> \sh: and python2.3 -> python2.4 (#12280)
[04:51] <\sh> dholbach: the actual source in archive has 2.4 build-deps--
[04:52] <\sh> ah
[04:52] <\sh> guys
[04:53] <\sh> please...there are some python packages which are providing python2.1/2.2 packages...
[04:53] <\sh> I had one and removed the 2.1/2.2 packages from control and adjusted at least the rules file and the *.install files
[04:53] <slomo> stopmotion fixed... sync from debian ;)
[04:53] <dholbach> thanks \sh
[04:54] <\sh> we should do it with those packages who are listed on unmet deps (because those are the unmet deps)
[04:55] <\sh_away> grmpf
[04:55] <\sh_away> daily dsl crap
[04:55] <bddebian> Heh
[04:57] <\sh> mbreit: psi merged from debian and uploaded ;)
[04:57] <ogra> \sh, dholbach if you stumpble across any gcompris bugs, feel free to assign them to me
[04:57] <\sh> I don't even know what gcompris is ;)
[04:57] <dholbach> ogra: right
[04:58] <ogra> \sh, then dont care, it will cause sleepless nights ...
[04:59] <ogra> \sh, gcompris is as nice as nvu... just not as insecure
[04:59] <\sh> ogra: hey man...I don't even know 90% of the sourcecode I touched ;)
[05:00] <ogra> \sh, be sure you *dont want to know* gcompris' source code (53MB source package)
[05:00] <bddebian> \sh: Joine the club ;-)
[05:00] <\sh> ogra: I just downloaded the stuff on my hd ;)
[05:01] <ogra> \sh, nah... leave it, its as bad as ace... and i think i'l ask for a freeze breakage anyway for it to get 7.0 in...
[05:02] <slomo> \sh: imagine how long it would take if _this_ was gwydion-dylan ;)
[05:02] <\sh> ogra: ace is much more crap
[05:02] <ogra> \sh, just leave it alone please...
[05:02] <\sh> slomo: hehe
[05:03] <\sh> ogra: I leave it :)
[05:03] <ogra> thanks :)
[05:04] <\sh> argl..lag
[05:04] <\sh> somethign is wrong
[05:04] <\sh> brb
[05:06] <dholbach> could i have your opinion please: i'm maintaining glom and it needs a postgres server to operate on - now it's not needed locally. how would you deal with that "problem"?
[05:07] <dholbach> i have a bug report telling me to have a metapackage "glom-local"
[05:07] <dholbach> in my eyes that doesnt make much sense - any opinions on that?
[05:11] <Lathiat> dholbach: thats silly
[05:11] <Lathiat> dholbach: if they want to use it on a local postgres server they can install it themselves ?
[05:11] <dholbach> hm well, that's what i thought
[05:11] <dholbach> i wrote  "It's like having a <mail-client>-local package which required a fully-fledged mail server. We should better have a 110% rocking documentation on how to get it working."
[05:12] <dholbach> although i'd like to hear other views on it
[05:12] <Lathiat> theyre gonna need to configure postgres at any case right
[05:12] <Lathiat> so it snot like its a just work sscenario
[05:12] <Lathiat> and randomly installing servers is dodge
[05:12] <Lathiat> :)
[05:16] <\sh> hmm
[05:16] <\sh> Vorbereiten zum Ersetzen von gnome-games 1:2.12.0-0ubuntu1 (durch .../gnome-games_1%3a2.12.0-0ubuntu2_i386.deb) ...
[05:17] <\sh> WARNUNG: Der Vorgabewert {} fr das Schema (/schemas/apps/gtali/PlayerNames) konnte nicht verarbeitet werden
[05:17] <\sh> what the hell is this? arabic ?
[05:17] <dholbach> seems to
[05:17] <\sh> strange, isn't it?
[05:17] <dholbach> at least no persian letters i can see
[05:18] <\sh> funny is , that those letters are multicolored ;)
[05:18] <dholbach> really?
[05:18] <\sh> yes
[05:18] <dholbach> they look nice at my place
[05:18] <\sh> red blue a bit of cyan white
[05:19] <dholbach> no, not for me
[05:19] <slomo> for me they're also multicolored :)
[05:19] <Gervystar> i see them correctly
[05:20] <Yagisan> I see arabic
[05:20] <ogra> dholbach, gah, i missed seb's b-day... just recognized
[05:20] <dholbach> http://ubuntu.gplan.info/Bildschirmfoto.png - that's how i see it
[05:20] <dholbach> ogra: congratulate him now
[05:20] <dholbach> :)
[05:21] <\sh> http://linux.blogweb.de/uploads/screenshot-20050914.png <- for me
[05:21] <dholbach> ogra: he'll be happy to have party today too
[05:21] <\sh> dholbach: not found
[05:22] <ogra> \sh, woo, heavy music :)
[05:22] <\sh> ;)
[05:22] <bddebian> grr, building libextractor is taking FOREVER
[05:22] <\sh> top 100 charts of germany
[05:22] <ogra> \sh, yes, and top charts 20 yrs ago...
[05:23] <\sh> ogra: yes ;)
[05:24] <\sh> how can I use dpkg not to install but doing a test drive, just like apt-get -s install?
[05:24] <dholbach> --dry-run?
[05:24] <\sh> ah yes...man is my friend ,)
[05:26] <\sh> ogra: gcompris_6.5.3-2+7.0.0PRE1cvs.20050803ubuntu3 build cleanly with 2.4
[05:26] <ogra> \sh, build is not the question
[05:26] <\sh> running?
[05:26] <ogra> i already built it with 2.4
[05:27] <ogra> but it has 2.3 pieces in the 6.5 version and 2.4 pieces in the 7.0 one...
[05:28] <\sh> so it doesn't run properly
[05:41] <slomo> hmm... sarge has 21 unmet deps... we have to be better than them ;)
[05:42] <slomo> universe/net/xmule_1.10.0b-1ubuntu1: Not-For-Us [optional:out-of-date] 
[05:42] <slomo> what does this tell me?
[05:43] <dholbach> what distribution does the upload have?
[05:43] <slomo> breezy... it even was on breezy-changes ;)
[05:43] <dholbach> hrm
[05:45] <slomo> seems like nothing i do today works ;)
[05:45] <\sh> hmm...
[05:46] <\sh> i like gcompris
[05:46] <\sh> funny stuff for small children :) nice
[05:50] <bddebian> slomo: Amen to that :-(
[05:51] <bddebian> pkern: Hey, elmo synced your obby and net6
[05:51] <bddebian> But ignored my other 2000 requests :'-(
[05:52] <pkern> bddebian: And obby failed because net6 wasn't installed yet. ):
[05:52] <pkern> bddebian: Just checked the build logs.
[05:52] <bddebian> Heh
[05:52] <Lathiat> hmm, i thought ubuntu-devel<->ubuntuforums was fread only
[05:52] <pkern> bddebian: But I really appreciate your help. (o:
[05:53] <bddebian> pkern: Glad to be of SOME use ;-)
[05:53] <pkern> bddebian: Can't someone create a database for elmo to check?
[05:53] <pkern> bddebian: Or automate him? (o:
[05:53] <bddebian> pkern: Well I had an option but he didn't like it ;-)
[05:53] <pkern> bddebian: IRC highlights aren't the best choice?
[05:53] <bddebian> pkern: Actually I've been e-mailing him :-)
[05:54] <pkern> bddebian: Adding you with the necessary privileges? ;) Why are the syncs restricted like that anyway?
[05:55] <pkern> elmo is busy at any job he's assigned to. And it seems that in most cases he's the only one with the privileges. (Like Debian Account Creation, but ok that's somewhat sensible anyway.)
[05:56] <pkern> bddebian: Are uploads to universe directly installed there or do they need to get some sort of approval? (Either by a script or manually..)
[06:00] <pkern> bddebian: "incriminate"? Why?
[06:01] <slomo> pkern: NEW packages need approval by elmo, other stuff gets checked by a script (i.e. correct signature, what distribution, all files there with correct md5sums)
[06:02] <pkern> slomo: Normal dak mechanisms then.
[06:02] <pkern> slomo: Ok, that's normal then.
[06:02] <slomo> yes
[06:02] <pkern> slomo: But syncs are somewhat special?
[06:03] <slomo> yes... they are pulled directly from debian, distrubtion is changed and it gets a new field "Origin: Debian/unstable"
[06:04] <slomo> this field is there to allow automatic syncs in the future when debian gets a new version afaik
[06:05] <pkern> slomo: But that's automated by a script anyway? Why can't developers just sign a request and send it as a command to the server? (Either via FTP or via mail)
[06:06] <slomo> because nobody implemented it yet probably ;)
[06:06] <ogra> pkern, because we want to keep some control, we have different freezez through a release cycle and not all packages come from debian
[06:07] <ogra> i.e. currently there shouldnt be syncs or NEW packages without someone approving it, we are in preview freeze
[06:07] <pkern> ogra: Does this affect universe already?
[06:07] <ogra> its to make sure a second pait of eyes looks over it...
[06:07] <ogra> pkern, yes
[06:07] <pkern> ogra: NEW package judging is reasonably easy, but sync approval is somewhat time-consuming?
[06:08] <pkern> ogra: Hm ok.
[06:08] <ogra> but its handled very loosely by us
[06:08] <pkern> ogra: I thought the buildds would FTBFS in most cases anyway when there's a problem. ;)
[06:08] <ogra> normally everything gets approved... but the second look/asking for the common stuff is important
[06:09] <ogra> yes, but if some user requests a newer version we try to react on this if it doesnt generate to much extra work or any extra breakage...
[06:10] <ogra> its not always a buildd problem that causes a sync ;)
[06:10] <ogra> s/buildd/build/
[06:11] <ogra> has someone looked into xdm yet ? it seems not to work
[06:11] <\sh> work?
[06:12] <ogra> yes, some users mailed -users...
[06:12] <ogra> i tried it, but had no time to look deeper into it... it starts an X server and crashes before the greeter comes up
[06:13] <\sh> hmm...
[06:18] <\sh> bddebian: wth is this mail for?
[06:18] <\sh> How about Dastardly Dingo for our Aussie friends? ;-)
[06:18] <\sh> Barry deFreese (aka bddebian)
[06:18] <\sh> Shiny New MOTU
[06:18] <pkern> slomo: Still nothing new at the kernel front, right?
[06:18] <\sh> lol
[06:18] <\sh> I'm always surprised about barry *rotfl*
[06:18] <slomo> pkern: nope :(
[06:19] <pkern> slomo: *sigh*
[06:19] <bddebian> \sh: :-)
[06:19] <pkern> slomo: linux-source-2.6.12 then |:
[06:19] <pkern> slomo: And a plain ol' own build.
[06:19] <slomo> \sh: hehe, i was puzzled too :)
[06:19] <slomo> pkern: we currently use linux-source-2.6.12... that's the kernel that fails ;)
[06:20] <pkern> slomo: I mean the binary package (o:
[06:20] <bddebian> \sh: Are you saying I'm a wierdo? ;-)
[06:20] <Yagisan> Dingo ? I miss something ?
[06:21] <\sh> bddebian: well...if I'm saying "you are a wierdo!" then, what I am?
[06:23] <dholbach> ogra: you have atomix in edubuntu?
[06:23] <ogra> yup
[06:24] <ogra> why ? did you plan to break it ?
[06:24] <bddebian> \sh: :-)
[06:24] <bddebian> Yagisan: I sent another one of my goofy/useless e-mails to u-d mailing list
[06:24] <dholbach> ogra: i just saw there was a new upstream version - and i didn't want to argue to get it in main ;)
[06:25] <ogra> the current one is fine and stale... i'm not goig to risk my CD for a version numbering upgrade :)
[06:25] <ogra> s/stale/stable/
[06:27] <\sh> hmmm...
[06:27] <\sh> I should get some tobacco and some crunching cracker
[06:27] <bddebian> ??
[06:27] <\sh> s/cracker/salty cookies/
[06:28] <bddebian> Ahh  :-)
[06:28] <\sh> and take my laptop go to bed and watch some "Lost"
[06:28] <bddebian> \sh: Nice.  I have been trying to catch up on Season 1 :-)
[06:29] <\sh> bddebian: I have it completly on DVD;)
[06:29] <bddebian> Me too
[06:31] <Mitario> hi everyone
[06:31] <bddebian> Heya Mitario
[06:32] <dholbach> mitario!
[06:36] <\sh> brb
[06:38] <slomo> bbl
[06:39] <bddebian> Gang, should I try to build gnunet against our libextractor (0.4.2-2) or sync libextractor (0.5.4) from Debian and build the new gnunet against that?
[06:40] <dholbach> what does configure.{ac,in} want?
[06:40] <slomo> first try the first and when it doesn't work look at everything that depends on libextractor and which may fail with the new version ;)
[06:41] <bddebian> dholbach: libextractor only has 1 rdepend
[06:41] <bddebian> err s/dholbach/slomo/
[06:41] <bddebian> dholbach: It wants libextractor 0.4.2-4
[06:41] <slomo> bddebian: and gnunet is this 1 rdepend?
[06:42] <bddebian> slomo: No
[06:42] <slomo> ok, anyway... dholbach can help you :)
[06:42] <slomo> bbl
[06:42] <dholbach> so what's going wrong?
[06:42] <bddebian> libdoodle1-dev is the only rdepend for libextractor1-dev
[06:43] <ivoks> hi
[06:43] <ivoks> \sh: i see you did libxdb
[06:43] <dholbach> hey ivoks
[06:43] <\sh> yes
[06:43] <bddebian> Heya ivoks
[06:43] <ivoks> \sh: i recall having problems with that lib
[06:44] <\sh> ivoks: worked ;)
[06:44] <ivoks> \sh: it compiled cleanly with gcc4?
[06:44] <\sh> yes
[06:44] <ivoks> hm...
[06:44] <ivoks> hi dholbach bddebian
[06:44] <\sh> finger training
[06:44] <bddebian> dholbach: The current version has some build problems.  There is a -5 version in debian but it build-depends libextractor1-dev (>= 0.4.2-4) which we don't have :-)
[06:44] <ivoks> \sh: anyway, that's obsolete lib :))
[06:44] <\sh> oleo is depending on it
[06:45] <ivoks> oleo is obsolete app :)
[06:45] <dholbach> ah i see
[06:45] <\sh> not for infinity ,-)
[06:45] <dholbach> well if the stuff from debian just works, ...
[06:45] <ivoks> \sh: there is no development for few years
[06:45] <ivoks> infinity uses it? :)
[06:45] <bddebian> SO I can either try to build the newer gnunet with our libextractor or ask for a sync of libextractor too :-)
[06:46] <\sh> ivoks: it was on the frozenapps
[06:46] <\sh> list
[06:46] <ivoks> ah, ok
[06:46] <\sh> and yehia and qpl will go away
[06:46] <\sh> and infinity wants to have a look over ace
[06:46] <ivoks> i proposed it for morgue in may, iirc :)
[06:47] <ivoks> anyway, \sh great job!
[06:47] <ivoks> if libxdb compiles :)
[06:47] <bddebian> dholbach: Well libextractor 0.5.4 from Debian is taking FOREVER to build on my machine :-(
[06:47] <\sh> ivoks: i386 for sure
[06:47] <ogra> bddebian, as long as it stops before oct 13
[06:47] <ivoks> bddebian: maybe it's doing buil, clean, buil, clean
[06:47] <\sh> xdb on ia64 build
[06:48] <ivoks> i had problems on amd64
[06:48] <ivoks> big problems
[06:48] <ivoks> anyway, great if it works
[06:48] <\sh> ivoks: u know who the maintainer is?
[06:49] <ivoks> don't recall
[06:49] <ivoks> i just know that lib isn't developed any more under that name
[06:49] <\sh> ivoks: our mvo ;)
[06:49] <bddebian> Damn I have to put up another build machine at home.  1 just ain't enough :)
[06:49] <ivoks> :))
[06:50] <\sh> bddebian: a big fat one...and give me an account ,-)
[06:50] <ivoks> hm...
[06:50] <bddebian> \sh: I'm REALLY considering search for an amd64 box on sleaze-bay, then you got it ;-)
[06:50] <\sh> bddebian: amd64? ravel is amd64 ,-)
[06:50] <ivoks> hm...
[06:51] <ivoks> we could use ppc, right?
[06:51] <\sh> yes
[06:51] <ivoks> maybe i could manage something
[06:51] <bddebian> ivoks: I'm looking at old Blue and White G3's too ;-)
[06:51] <ivoks> but that would be g3 or g4
[06:51] <ivoks> bddebian: would you? :)
[06:51] <ivoks> i have 10 G5s here :)
[06:51] <bddebian> \sh: Yeah but I don't want to break someone elses machines ;-)
[06:51] <bddebian> ivoks: REALLY??
[06:51] <bddebian> bastage
[06:51] <ivoks> bddebian: yup, we sell them
[06:52] <\sh> bddebian: u can't break anything on ravel :) working only in a chroot ...which is nice :)
[06:52] <\sh> ivoks: u r selling 7 G5s?
[06:52] <ivoks> chroot will brake you, most of the time :)
[06:53] <ivoks> \sh: not me, company in wich i work
[06:53] <ivoks> \sh: more than 7 :)
[06:53] <\sh> ivoks: no only 7 ;) 1 for bddebian, 1 for slomo and 1 for me ,-) the rest u can sell ,-)
[06:53] <ivoks> :)
[06:53] <bddebian> Well I guess I'm tying up my machine with libextractor for the rest of the day.. :'-(
[06:53] <bddebian> \sh: lol
[06:53] <ivoks> then 5 for me :)
[06:54] <ogra> edubuntu could really need a ppc test machine :)
[06:54] <ivoks> lol
[06:54] <\sh> makes only 6 to sell
[06:54] <ivoks> what was i thinking
[06:54] <ivoks> ante, shut up :)
[06:54] <bddebian> \sh: I guess no one likes my Dingo idea ;-)
[06:54] <\sh> bddebian: dapper drake +1 ,-)
[06:54] <ivoks> \sh: these are ordered
[06:55] <\sh> ivoks: no excuses ,-)
[06:55] <ivoks> macs are crappt things
[06:55] <ogra> bddebian, argue with sabdfl about it :)
[06:55] <ivoks> crappy
[06:55] <bddebian> ogra: Uhm, no thanks :)
[06:55] <ivoks> bddebian: ?
[06:55] <ivoks> bddebian: why not?
[06:55] <bddebian> ivoks: I used to run Debian on a blue and white G3 and it was nice
[06:55] <ivoks> bddebian: me too
[06:55] <\sh> ogra: u think mark will change the name to Barry DeFreese ? ,-)
[06:55] <bddebian> ivoks: Because I really don't care that much about the name :-)
[06:56] <bddebian> \sh: Heh
[06:56] <Yagisan> I imagine a small dragon in a suit when I hear dapper drake, but that's just me
[06:56] <ivoks> then i sold it as mail server :)
[06:56] <ogra> \sh, lol
[06:56] <bddebian> Yagisan: hehe
[06:57] <ogra> Yagisan, drake != dragon
[06:57] <ogra> a drake is a male duck, isnt it ?
[06:57] <ivoks> well...
[06:57] <\sh> yes
[06:57] <ivoks> i camed, i said hello, now i have to go study...
[06:58] <ivoks> bye folks
[06:58] <Yagisan> ogra: drake - middle english = dragon
[06:58] <ogra> aha... my dictionary doesnt speak middle english it seems :)
[07:00] <\sh> ogra: dict.leo.org says also erpel
[07:00] <\sh> or Bordwandgeschuetz
[07:00] <ogra> lol
[07:01] <ogra> \sh, so a dapper drake is a cannon on a ship shooting friendly fire ??
[07:01] <\sh> ogra: I would translate dapper drake as "lebhaftes bordwandgeschuetz" ,-)
[07:02] <ogra> lol
[07:02] <\sh> or "Eleganter Erpel/Enterich"
[07:02] <ogra> boring
[07:02] <Yagisan> intresting, I just checked my wife's dictionary, drake is also a duck. I prefer my dragon in a suit
[07:02] <\sh> depends what u see in "Dapper Drake" ,-)
[07:03] <Yagisan> with cufflinks
[07:03] <Yagisan> and bow tie
[07:03] <Yagisan> and top hat etc etc
[07:03] <\sh> but the best mail was "Dapper sounds in english like diaper" ,->
[07:04] <Yagisan> north american accent ?
[07:04] <\sh> dunno...
[07:04] <\sh> but even with my bad english it doesn't sound like "diaper"
[07:05] <\sh> or i'm to oxfored or cambridge
[07:05] <\sh> oxford
[07:05] <\sh> even
[07:05] <Yagisan> if you stretch out the a into a long sound you might sound like diaper
[07:05] <Yagisan> but you'd need a north american accent
[07:06] <\sh> but this is more like "The Rain In Spain Stays Mainly On The Plaine" or something like this..Pygmalion/My Fair Lady quoting
[07:06] <\sh> ogra: hehe
[07:08] <\sh> ogra: btw...u have a irc client on edubuntu?
[07:08] <\sh> ogra: u see that #ubuntu-motu is also education ;)
[07:08] <ogra> \sh, we have a default ubuntu desktop
[07:08] <ogra> with all apps included
[07:10] <Yagisan> what age group is ebubuntu targeted at ?
[07:10] <\sh> 90 -> 5/6?
[07:11] <ogra> 6-16
[07:12] <\sh> ogra: bug gcompris is also something for 34 ,-)
[07:12] <ogra> heh
[07:13] <\sh> ah and xdb build on all archs ;-9
[07:13] <Yagisan> ok. it's for a bit older then my little girl then
[07:14] <\sh> how old?
[07:14] <ogra> Yagisan, we also have younger kids playing with it...
[07:14] <Yagisan> 18 months
[07:14] <ogra> ok, thats a bit young still :)
[07:14] <Yagisan> I have been teacher her to use the computer
[07:14] <\sh> oh that's really young ;)
[07:14] <Yagisan> teaching
[07:14] <ogra> but she can benefit form y future release at least ;)
[07:15] <ogra> s/y/a
[07:15] <Yagisan> she can "play" deng with doom2.wad level one
[07:26] <ivoks> there is no gnome-printer-add any more?
[07:35] <\sh> ok gentlemen...I'm lazy today...will go and watch some movies :)
[07:35] <\sh> g'night or eventually laters :)
[07:39] <bddebian> Later \sh
[07:54] <Yagisan> goodnight
[08:06] <dholbach> have a nice evening everybody, see you tomorrow
[08:07] <tseng> bye dholbach
[08:07] <bddebian> Later dholbach
[08:21] <shawarma> ivoks: I'm working on the mms plugin.. it's kind of annoying... Well, it involves enabled a plugin in the gstreamer package which is in main and also adding a new package (libmms).
[08:21] <shawarma> ivoks: I'll have it ready in half an hour or so.
[08:21] <shawarma> Arh, I did it again. Why does he always log off before I have a chance to write him?
[09:05] <ogra> http://www.i-r-genius.com/badger.gif
[09:05] <tseng> ogra: yes.
[09:05] <ogra> :)
[09:06] <bddebian> ogra: :-)
[09:07] <bddebian> Holy shit, libextractor compile is finally moving...
[09:43] <shawarma> Can someone give me a crash course in what to do with debian/shlibs ?
[09:43] <bddebian> Fix them? ;-)
[09:43] <shawarma> Heh.... What is it for exactly? Is that where the info that links the -dev packages to the lib-packages?
[09:44] <bddebian> shawarma: Somewhat.  It helps with depends
[09:45] <shawarma> Ok... I have an idea about it providing the info needed for dh_shlibs to figure out that if you build-depends on something-dev, you need libsomething..
[09:45] <shawarma> Is that just about right?
[09:47] <abarbaccia> hey all - who maintains the mythtv packages?
[09:48] <shawarma> abarbaccia: mdz, i think.
[09:48] <abarbaccia> mythtv is the new version but hte plugins are not - they need to be packaged for breezy
[09:52] <shawarma> bddebian: I'm still not sure how to use it, though.
[09:54] <bddebian> abarbaccia: We are waiting for the 0.18 plugins afaik
[09:54] <bddebian> shawarma: What are you trying to do?
[10:00] <abarbaccia> gotcha - thanks bddebian
[10:00] <bddebian> abarbaccia: NP
[10:03] <shawarma> bddebian: Well... I've created a new library package, and another package is going to build-depends on the -dev package, and I want the !-dev package to automatically be added to the depends...
[10:04] <abarbaccia> bddebian, im just waiting anxiously to upgrade my myth boxes and update my website on how to do that
[10:05] <bddebian> shawarma: Then yes, afaiui build dep the -dev and shlibs should make it a depends.  I think :-)
[10:05] <shawarma> But what should the shlibs file contain?
[10:06] <shawarma> Never mind, I'll just copy one from some other package.. That should do the trick.
[11:01] <ajmitch> morning
[11:01] <bddebian> Heya ajmitch
[11:01] <bddebian> ajmitch: conky got synced
[11:02] <ajmitch> good
[11:02] <bddebian> Loser ;-)
[11:03] <ajmitch> yes, I am
[11:05] <chillywilly> hi
[11:05] <chillywilly> be nice bddebian
[11:11] <bddebian> Heya chillywilly
[11:24] <Burgundavia> ajmitch, any idea why we have libobby and not gobby yet?
[11:24] <ajmitch> because I've been too busy to get gobby build-deps fixed & upload it?
[11:27] <bddebian> Later gents, gotta head home
[11:30] <Burgundavia> ajmitch, ah, ok.
[11:31] <ajmitch> I've been told by work to cut back on my outside activities for at least a couple of weeks while I get stuff finished :)
[11:32] <Burgundavia> ajmitch, ouch
[11:32] <Burgundavia> ajmitch, where do you work?
[11:34] <ajmitch> I work as a php coder
[11:34] <ajmitch> got deadlines looming
[11:43] <bmonty_laptop> ajmitch: you haven't been procrastinating have you ?? :)
[11:49] <slomo> ree