[07:23] <shaga> greetings all
[07:24] <shaga> anyone has problems with a source-list in installing edubuntu? it asked ip, dns and all from me but didn't use dhcp so the network didn't work. and the sources.list is now empty
[07:26] <shaga> network worked fine after I enabled dhcp after installation, I'm now at my work computer and trying to install edubuntu on this machine. I will copy the source.list from this to my computer then(this uses ips, dns and all custom)
[08:34] <JaneW> hello highvoltage 
[08:35] <JaneW> highvoltage: I am here today ... (and looking for my office keys, which I gave HIlton)
[08:41] <highvoltage> now why would you do something like that :)
[08:44] <JaneW> highvoltage: dunno ;)
[08:45] <shaga> JaneW: good morning, do you know why edubuntu doesn't do dhcp-configuration during the first install phase? only asks ip/dns/gateway..
[08:46] <shaga> just thought I might ask now that I'm here :)
[08:49] <JaneW> shaga: there wasa discussion on the mailing list recently...
[08:50] <JaneW> flood alert...
[08:50] <JaneW> > I'm trying to install Edubuntu Preview 5.10.
[08:50] <JaneW> > 
[08:50] <JaneW> > I know Ubuntu try to autoconfigure ethernet connection using DHCP during
[08:50] <JaneW> > installation. But Edubuntu doesn't try to find out a DHCP server to
[08:50] <JaneW> > autoconfigure. Instead, it ask me to enter the IP address manually.
[08:50] <JaneW> > 
[08:50] <JaneW> > Is it intentional?
[08:50] <JaneW> yes, since the default install is a stadalone server install, we cant
[08:50] <JaneW> assume that a dhcp server is around. 
[08:50] <JaneW> the installer should provide a deault value for the IP address, but due
[08:50] <JaneW> to a bug we found building the preview CD we needed to disable this
[08:50] <JaneW> feature... its solved now and will be enabled in tonights build again.
[08:50] <JaneW> the standalone workstation install behaves like a normal ubuntu install
[08:50] <JaneW> wrt IP adresses/dhcp.
[08:50] <JaneW> does that answer your question?
[08:50] <shaga> yeah, totally.. thanks :)
[09:09] <shaga> hmm, have to look how flash is being supported now on a amd64-platform..
[09:11] <shaga> btw, /usr/share/ubuntu-artwork/home/index.html still says hoary, but I think it has been spotted already
[10:14] <shaga> strange, apt-get dist-upgrade updated the ff's ubuntu welcome page.. nice one
[10:46] <highvoltage> and i was just on the virge of askin jeremy something :)
[10:46] <highvoltage> guys, what's the status on the gdm themes, splash screens, etc?
[11:36] <JaneW> highvoltage: welcome to the mailing list ;)
[11:37] <shaga> does it spam much? :)
[11:44] <JaneW> shaga: I get LOADS of spam, which I discard (and ban the sender) before it hits the list...
[11:44] <JaneW> shaga: aren't I nice? ;)
[11:44] <shaga> yes, so cute ;)
[12:22] <highvoltage> JaneW: i just subscribed under another address as well, we have people arguing with us that TSF is involved because of my e-mail address, so i changed it ;)
[12:22] <highvoltage> ogra: hi
[12:22] <highvoltage> ogra: do you know what we'll have for gdm themes / splash screens in edubuntu?
[12:22] <ogra> hey
[12:22] <JaneW> highvoltage: good call
[12:22] <ogra> bad DSL today :/
[12:22] <ogra> highvoltage, currently only the ones we have in the artwork-package
[12:22] <JaneW> NOTICE to all Canonical is NOT TSF and vice versa ;)
[12:22] <ogra> and as i said in the meeting, we cant offer much choice due to space issues, we can only replace whats there to save space...
[12:22] <JaneW> Burgundavia: thanks for fixing my typo fix ;)
[12:22] <Burgundavia> JaneW, hey, np
[12:22] <JaneW> Burgundavia: I kick myself many times a day over typos ;)
[12:22] <ogra> from #ubuntu-artwork tonight:
 hey
 will the default theme change for breezy?
 for instance something like edubuntu's
[12:22] <ogra> hehe
[12:22] <JaneW> LOL
[12:22] <JaneW> ogra: cool
[12:22] <ogra> :)
[12:22] <ogra> good tha we have a artwork package thats also installable in ubuntu ;)
[12:33] <JaneW> highvoltage: ping
[12:33] <JaneW> highvoltage: can ogra see the http stuff you have - even a screenshot will be fine?
[12:49] <highvoltage> ogra: i have the iso i downloaded on august 28, would i be able to dist-upgrade to the latest edubuntu from there?
[12:50] <highvoltage> JaneW: pong
[12:52] <ogra> highvoltage, if it installs ...
[12:53] <ogra> i'd suggest to rsync to the latest daily
[12:54] <ogra> takes only some minutes, therewere not much but essential changes... i guess the download would be around 10MB only but you get a far better iso
[12:55] <JaneW> highvoltage: can ogra see the http stuff you have - even a screenshot will be fine?
[12:59] <spacey> JaneW, can I mail you the document of stuff i want to do for ubuntu/school project. And see if you approve of it/if its possible to mentor me with it?
[01:00] <highvoltage> JaneW: there's not much to show currently, but i'll send it
[01:04] <highvoltage> JaneW: sent
[01:08] <JaneW> ta
[01:08] <JaneW> got it
[01:13] <highvoltage> ogra: ok, i'll download the latest iso image (i don't thing i have rsync access to that server)
[01:13] <ogra> highvoltage, everybody has
[01:13] <ogra> rsync rsync://cdimage.ubuntu.com/cdimage/
[01:13] <ogra> try that ^^
[01:14] <ogra> it should give you directory a listing
[01:16] <shaga> ssh: rysync: Name or service not known
[01:16] <shaga> rsync: connection unexpectedly closed (0 bytes received so far) [receiver] 
[01:16] <shaga> rsync error: error in rsync protocol data stream (code 12) at io.c(434)
[01:16] <shaga> it gives me that at least
[01:16] <ogra> if so, go into the dir containing the breezy-install-i386.iso and just run the following (copy n paste)
[01:16] <ogra> rsync -a --progress rsync://cdimage.ubuntu.com/cdimage/edubuntu/daily/current/breezy-install-i386.iso breezy-install-i386.iso breezy-install-i386.iso
[01:17] <ogra> shaga, rsync, not rysync
[01:17] <shaga> hehe, typo
[01:17] <shaga> much better now
[01:19] <ogra> the changes between two dailies are about 1-2 MB regulary.... i download it in ~10min over 768K DSL here... its the quickest way to get the latest iso
[01:20] <shaga> are there updates to dhcp automatic configuration in latest iso?(so is it enabled for the first install phase)
[01:21] <ogra> there are updates to the dhcp server, but the corresponding autogeneration of the dhcp.conf for ltsp isnt in place yet... so if you change the defalt ip you have to adjust the ltsp dehp config afterwards...
[01:22] <ogra> s/dehp/dhcp
[01:22] <shaga> okay, thanks
[01:23] <ogra> if you dont want togo with the default ip for now, run a "dpkg --configure -a" after install...
[01:24] <ogra> (and after the changes indeed)
[01:24] <shaga> I enabled dhcp through graphic interface on my computer(this is just my work computer), but the problem was source.list being empty..
[01:25] <shaga> I'm gonna transfer that file from this machine to mine, because this has ip/dns-based network configuration so the file was generated as should
[01:28] <ogra> there is no graphical UI for the dhcp server
[01:30] <shaga> I just switched from manual ip configuration to dhcp
[01:31] <ogra> shaga, i was talking about the dhcp server .... in the default edubuntu install you will always have to set a IP manually, else ltsp wont work right
[01:31] <shaga> I'm not very familiar with the ltsp, yet.. I'll find out more about it once I'm through with this work
[01:42] <JaneW> shaga, is your surname delic?
[01:42] <JaneW> *efg*
[01:44] <shaga> I 'invented' shagadelic 6 years ago, I've been using just shaga for 4 years now
[01:44] <shaga> so yes I'm :)
[01:44] <JaneW> lol
[01:44] <JaneW> ok
[01:45] <JaneW> ogra: do we have any real assesibility suport in edubuntu 1.0? Specifically for vision impaired assistance?
[01:46] <ogra> JaneW, only the stuff we get from ubuntu, nothing additionally...
[01:46] <ogra> JaneW, do you know if TheMuso will be at UBZ ?
[01:46] <JaneW> there a msg on the mailing list asking aout this...
[01:46] <ogra> (Luke Yelavic)
[01:46] <JaneW> who is he/she again?
[01:46] <JaneW> oh right
[01:46] <ogra> he did the accessibility live CD
[01:47] <ogra> would be cool if we could talk to him and incorporate some of his work into dapper
[01:49] <JaneW> I don't see him on the list
[01:50] <ogra> hmm, ok...
[01:50] <ogra> so probably something we need to solve via IRC
[01:51] <JaneW> ogra: I hope my response to jelkner wasn't too rude...
[01:52] <ogra> nah
[01:52] <ogra> you pointed it out several times now...
[01:53] <JaneW> but how many times is he going to ask the same question....?
[01:53] <shaga> :)
[01:53] <ogra> JaneW, btw, did you see we are in the press... 
[01:53] <JaneW> no, where?
[01:54] <ogra>  It is also being used at Yorktown High School in Arlington, Virginia, and is being championed by Jeff Elkner, a computer science teacher at the school. Mr. Elkner is one of the developers of Edubuntu, an Ubuntu variant specialized for use in schools.
[01:54] <ogra> http://www.redherring.com/Article.aspx?a=13538
[01:56] <JaneW> nice
[02:00] <JaneW> ogra: what the word on the edubuntu Live CD? will we have on, or not at all?
[02:01] <ogra> id have to talk that over with mdz.... but i think i can imagine waht he'll say...
[02:02] <ogra> so its rather a dapper thing... lets see, probably i can get a workstation liveCD without the server stuff...
[02:04] <JaneW> ogra: so answer this mail q... "Wondering if a Live CD is planned for desktop use."
[02:05] <JaneW> ogra: Not yet, but in future yes...?
[02:06] <ogra> yup...
[02:12] <JaneW> ok
[02:13] <highvoltage> ogra: thanks, that works.
[02:13] <ogra> :)
[02:14] <ogra> highvoltage, i have a cron job doing that for me every night... including wiping and burning a CDRW ... this way i have always the newest crack to test if i get up in the morning ;)
[02:18] <highvoltage> ogra: good idea, i'm going to set that up at home :)
[02:18] <ogra> ;)
[02:29] <JaneW> we now have 211 mailing list members
[02:30] <ogra> cool
[02:30] <shaga> I don't even know what mailing list is, but I believe I'm more updated by being on it :)
[02:33] <shaga> I actually know what it is usually, but now I'm not sure how it works when I'm actually in it..
[02:34] <shaga> :)
[02:36] <JaneW> lol
[02:37] <JaneW> when you are actually in it you GET the messages ;)
[02:39] <shaga> hehe
[02:40] <highvoltage> JaneW: i think once edubuntu launches, membership will rocket
[02:40] <JaneW> :)
[02:40] <shaga> you bet
[04:27] <jsgotangco> hi
[04:29] <shaga> hello hello
[04:46] <highvoltage> hi there
[04:46] <jsgotangco> hey highvoltage
[04:47] <highvoltage> hi jeremy
[04:47] <highvoltage> how are things looking on the doc side?
[04:47] <jsgotangco> i've been moving stuff to the wiki
[04:47] <jsgotangco> ogra just used About Ubuntu in our preview
[04:48] <jsgotangco> but i haven't given him the xml for yelp yet
[04:48] <jsgotangco> (its actually LinuxWorld over here i discussed about Ubuntu today and Edubuntu tommorow)
[04:48] <highvoltage> ok. who's responsible for the art, for edubuntu and ubuntu.
[04:48] <highvoltage> cool!
[04:49] <jsgotangco> highvoltage: artwork? its a different team (no idea if we have our own artwork contribs atm)
[04:49] <highvoltage> that's what i'm a bit worried about :{
[04:49] <highvoltage> :P
[04:49] <jsgotangco> highvoltage: i actually did my whole presentation in edubuntu workstation
[04:51] <jsgotangco> highvoltage: our icons and fonts look really good atm
[04:52] <highvoltage> yep.
[04:53] <highvoltage> i haven't seen the gdm or splash screens yet, so i'm just a bit nervous about that.
[04:53] <jsgotangco> our gdm is still the same (with the edubuntu logo)
[04:53] <jsgotangco> as well as the splash
[04:54] <jsgotangco> unfortunately our boot splash is still ubuntu
[04:54] <jsgotangco> (not sure if it was designed to be easily replaced)
[06:10] <magnon> woah
[06:11] <magnon> I got my montreal plane tickets
[06:11] <magnon> and I havent paid for them yet
[06:11] <jsgotangco> nice
[06:11] <magnon> well
[06:11] <magnon> their reg system was weird
[06:12] <magnon> I filled in my card (without coverage) as preferred payment method
[06:12] <magnon> I hit register the trip, assuming to get a payment method choice
[06:12] <magnon> nah, registered, non-refundable :P
[06:13] <jsgotangco> enjoy UBZ =)
[06:13] <magnon> ubz?
[06:13] <jsgotangco> ubuntu below zero =)
[06:13] <magnon> oh right
[06:13] <magnon> :P
[06:14] <magnon> I keep saying ubuntuconf or something to that extent
[06:14] <magnon> knowing that its totally wrong
[06:14] <jsgotangco> you'll enjoy it
[06:14] <jsgotangco> ogra and janew are fun people
[06:14] <magnon> hehe
[06:14] <magnon> I hope so
[06:14] <jsgotangco> oh i guarantee it
[06:15] <jsgotangco> there's a chance i might catch up
[06:15] <jsgotangco> but no guarantees
[06:15] <magnon> I just hope I get time for edubuntu before the conf
[06:15] <magnon> and before release
[06:16] <magnon> we kinda got assignments for other stuff with considerable economic value... right now that needs to come first
[06:16] <magnon> like, I want to keep my apartment and stuff like that :P
[06:16] <jsgotangco> the conferences are meant for people to just brain dump on ideas and write specs for it and work it out afte rthe conf
[06:16] <jsgotangco> so its quite long term
[06:16] <magnon> yeah, good
[06:16] <magnon> that's what we think we will work on
[06:16] <magnon> long term, like deployment summer 2006 stuff
[06:16] <jsgotangco> the conference gives a chance for people speared across the globe to at least meet up
[06:18] <magnon> 40 minutes to party meeting
[06:18] <magnon> election on monday... time to get to work in opposition
[06:19] <jsgotangco> and if you have a gpg key make sure it gets signed
[06:19] <magnon> right, after using Mac for so long on my laptop I almost forgot that I have a gpg key to use :P
[06:20] <jsgotangco> the sheer number of DDs during an ubuntu conference will make your stats jump
[06:20] <magnon> :D
[06:20] <magnon> maybe I should get around and just make a new one
[06:20] <jsgotangco> sure as long as you have your secret key
[06:21] <magnon> it's not like I ever used it for external things
[06:21] <jsgotangco> it'll come in handy in the future
[06:21] <magnon> and I haven't been completely careful with the secret key :S
[06:21] <magnon> and I changed email addies since last using it I think too :po
[06:22] <jsgotangco> you can add/delete addies from an existing key
[06:22] <magnon> I know, it's just another argument to making a new one since noone who emails me at my current addy has the key
[06:23] <jsgotangco> bottom line is: don't miss it especially if mako is organizing it
[06:23] <magnon> and since I created it without revokation keys etc. etc. the most secure thing would probably be to forget that one
[06:24] <magnon> 35 minutes to meeting :P
[06:25] <magnon> brb, have to get dressed properly
[06:26] <magnon> although our coalition didnt win the election, we went from 2 to 10 mandates in the parliament \o/
[06:26] <magnon> so it's halfways meeting halfways party :)
[06:26] <jsgotangco> hehe
[06:28] <jsgotangco> see you later i gotta sleep =)
[06:28] <magnon> tomorrow then I guess
[06:28] <magnon> probably having the day off to move things to my new place
[06:43] <mpt> magnon: There's a nice GPG plug-in for Apple Mail, I use it
[06:44] <mpt> and a decent "GPG Keychain Access" utility, too
[08:00] <linescann> ogra: Hi, you got a minute
[08:00] <ogra> sure
[08:00] <linescann> you well ?
[08:00] <ogra> yup
[08:00] <ogra> a bit under pressure, release is near :)
[08:01] <linescann> good.  What state is the 64bit version at
[08:01] <ogra> should be good...
[08:01] <linescann> not good about under pressure :)
[08:01] <linescann> cool.  I have got a Sun V20z here that I want to put into a local school
[08:01] <ogra> at least it was during preview tests... but i'd suggest a recent daily, there were some improvements
[08:02] <linescann> whens release ?
[08:02] <ogra> the dynamic dhcp.conf generation isnt included yet, so best is to run through the install with the offered default IP and adjust the values post install
[08:03] <ogra> oct 13th
[08:03] <linescann> cool.  I am just downloading it now.  I just want to do a proof of concept on the Sunfire.
[08:03] <ogra> currently i'm fighting with things like http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=15244
[08:04] <linescann> just looking now
[08:06] <ogra> 14967 and 12942 are also release critical...
[08:06] <linescann> You having issues with other stuff not clearing out
[08:06] <ogra> nope
[08:07] <linescann> hmmm
[08:07] <ogra> its only the ssh session that cant be established for 30-45 sec
[08:07] <ogra> and there only the X forwarding...
[08:07] <linescann> you just using ssh for admin control
[08:07] <ogra> so i suspect there is a sshd bug, but thats up to our ssh admin
[08:08] <ogra> nope, ssh is the core of our ltsp 
[08:08] <ogra> we dont use X at all in the network...
[08:08] <linescann> ah.  I need to have a good look at the specs.
[08:08] <ogra> its all shh tunneling
[08:09] <ogra> so you have a encrypted connection by default
[08:09] <linescann> benefits other than that ?
[08:09] <ogra> you dont need X on the server ;) 
[08:10] <linescann> obvious really :)
[08:10] <ogra> its easy to connect to simply any machine on the net that has a ssh server running :)
[08:10] <linescann> blond moment
[08:10] <ogra> no need to configure anything there :)
[08:11] <linescann> I am really interested to see how you have done things and see how it would scale for what we do
[08:11] <ogra> and even better i can work with default settings on the dubuntu CD, i dont need any -config package... thats a guarantee for upgradeability
[08:12] <ogra> and you can mix edu/ubuntu without probs :)
[08:12] <linescann> re bug 14967 kde user here.  Zero gnome experience
[08:12] <ogra> its kernel related...
[08:12] <linescann> mixing would make long term support so much easier for all 
[08:12] <ogra> inotify triggers non existing events
[08:13] <linescann> helps if I read down further
[08:13] <linescann> saw gnome and went cold :)
[08:13] <ogra> edubuntu is in principle only a collection of 3 meta packages, the single parts of it are all ubuntu parts
[08:13] <ogra> (plus some installer tweakage)
[08:14] <linescann> spoken to a few guys over here in Schoolforge that have started using it.  Verdict is good :)
[08:15] <linescann> will kubuntu drop in over edu as it does ove ubuntu ?
[08:20] <linescann> re 12942 is it happening on pxe or etherboot or both
[08:21] <ogra> PXE
[08:21] <linescann> I did an upgrade of my ltsp server over the summer and one classroom (pxe) started doing similar stuff
[08:22] <ogra> hmm, so mdz's idea about the NIC not being initialized fast enough might be right...
[08:24] <linescann> wasnt there something on the ltsp wiki about this ?
[08:25] <linescann> is it a specific make/model of card or pxe in general
[08:25] <ogra> it happens for all users it seems... so its not NIC specific...
[08:29] <linescann> I am just trying to find my notes but they are at the office.  I have a feeling one of my guys tweaked the pxecfg/defaults file
[08:29] <linescann> and all was well :)
[08:29] <ogra> hmm
[08:30] <ogra> would be nice to know what he did :)
[08:31] <linescann> I think the answer was on the ltsp wiki but I cannot find it at the moment
[08:32] <ogra> there is a link in the bugreport... but that doesnt work, i tried already
[08:33] <linescann> it is something to do with block sizes I think.  Just loops on not responding ? yes
[08:33] <ogra> yup
[08:34] <linescann> have you tried this MOPTS=nolock,ro,wsize=2048,rsize=2048 in the pxelinux.cfg/default ?
[08:35] <ogra> yup
[08:36] <linescann> hmmm. 
[08:36] <ogra> i thonk our initrd doesnt accept the MOPTS option... 
[08:36] <ogra> i already notified our initramfs maintainer
[08:37] <linescann> ah.  I think this might be the issue.  You using your own client kernel ?
[08:38] <ogra> its the default ubuntu kernel... with some additional options for mkinitramfs
[08:38] <ogra> as i said, we're working with default ubuntu packages as much as we can :)
[08:39] <linescann> I have a feeling that this is where your issue may be.  
[08:39] <linescann> Does it happen in all switch speed environments ?
[08:41] <linescann> re default kernel, I meant what is sat in the tftp server for the clients to load ?
[08:44] <ogra> DEFAULT vmlinuz ro initrd=initrd.img
[08:44] <ogra> the rest is done in initramfs
[08:46] <linescann> I think that is were to look.  It does sound like a block size issue
[08:47] <ogra> i'll try it after dinner... now i'll take a short break, working since 12h in a row already :)
[08:48] <linescann> I know the feeling.  I am off to put the kids in their box for the night and kick the wife :)
[08:49] <linescann> have a good night :)
[08:53] <ogra> night linescann 
[09:18] <linescann> ogra:  just found some notes on our wiki.  The issue was with the stock ltsp 2.4.26 kernel that comes with ltsp 4.1.  The 2.6.9 one worked on this side but had issues in other areas.
[09:19] <linescann> We used the MOPTS option to fix it.
[09:20] <ogra> i'll try again later, i'll have to work on 15244 anyway today
[09:23] <linescann> good luck :)
[09:23] <ogra> thanks :)
[10:33] <rickfitz> Anyone know if there's a problem with edubuntu-devel list?
[10:33] <rickfitz> I posted 7 hours ago, and seen nothing from anyone since then.
[10:37] <ogra> rickfitz, i dont see anything in the queue from you
[10:38] <rickfitz> I posted at 13:29 UTC. Just noticed there's nothing there from anyone (unless I'm not receiving them)
[10:39] <ogra> hmm, the last mail from today is form 17:22 here
[10:39] <ogra> so it sounds like a problem on your side...
[10:40] <ogra> btw, i could reproduce your screensaver bug....
[10:40] <ogra> after half an hour of staring at my blank screen :)
[10:40] <rickfitz> So at least my mail did get through.
[10:41] <rickfitz> I set my timeout to 2 mins to save my sanity.
[10:41] <ogra> looks like i missed to set the blank only option for the random function :( i'll try to fix it on the weekend
[10:42] <rickfitz> Just realised - I'm thinking of the wrong posting. The later one was about a missing path in the thin client environment.
[10:43] <rickfitz> It's missing /usr/games.
[10:43] <ogra> yup
[10:43] <ogra> https://launchpad.net/malone/bugs/2274/
[10:44] <ogra> its on my list for ltsp... but i have some other stuff to fix before iu can touch it again
[10:45] <rickfitz> OK
[10:45] <mpt> ogra: Are you going to UBZ?
[10:45] <rickfitz> I'm confused. Where are bugs meant to be posted? I looked on bugzilla.
[10:45] <ogra> http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=12942 , 15244  and 14967 are my worst nightmares currently
[10:46] <ogra> rickfitz, yes, this one was misplaced
[10:46] <ogra> mpt, what a question :)
[10:47] <ogra> mpt, didnt i promise you to bring hoary CDs ?
[10:47] <mpt> ogra: True, but your travel details aren't on the wiki page, and nor are you in the Canonical IRC channel
[10:49] <mpt> which made me wonder :-)
[10:50] <ogra> whoops
[11:15] <linescann> ogra: you still arround
[11:16] <ogra> yup
[11:18] <linescann> just to let you know. Breezy does not like LSI SCSI controllers on Sun V20z
[11:18] <linescann> mptscsi errors
[11:19] <ogra> linescann, jbailey is in #ubuntu-devel ;) 
[11:19] <linescann> I shall pass it on
[11:20] <linescann> don't seem to have much luck install ubuntu on any of my hardware.  doesnt like blades or sunfires :(
[11:21] <ogra> hmm, i have no such HW available to test :/
[11:21] <linescann> I got stacks, but cant use them to help you guys.......F**"& frustrating
[11:21] <ogra> we have a sparc guy, but that wont help much with a sun fire
[11:22] <linescann> nah.  Opteron units.  Damn nice too
[11:22] <linescann> go a bit with Solaris 10 on them :)
[11:28] <linescann> night :)
[11:30] <ogra> night :)
[11:49] <swab79> hello