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[02:20] <Riddell> apokryphos: dude
[02:20] <apokryphos> hola
[02:20] <Riddell> grab 3.5 from  deb http://kubuntu.org/~jr/kde35beta1/ breezy main
[02:21] <Riddell> pick a module from http://kubuntu.org/~jr/3.5-src/
[02:21] <Riddell> package!
[02:21] <Riddell> you might want to start with something easy, kdetoys for example
[02:22] <apokryphos> Riddell: ok :), I'll try to follow those instructions. =)
[02:23] <Riddell> start with the chroot
[02:23] <apokryphos> right
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[03:26] <Riddell> morning JRe 
[03:28] <JRe> morning
[03:30] <JRe> there is a known problem with ivman and media refreshing on usb device plugging ?
[03:34] <Riddell> JRe: hal stuff seems to be generally broken in kubuntu
[03:35] <JRe> Riddell: it's strange because with dmesg everything seems fine but media:/ don't refresh :(
[03:35] <JRe> I can even mount it manually
[03:36] <Riddell> media isn't using HAL, that's the problem
[03:36] <Riddell> it's using the fstab fallback, no idea why
[03:36] <Riddell> it's a priority to fix obviously
[03:36] <JRe> Riddell: ok yeah I have always trouble to enable the HAL backend when compiling KDE
[03:37] <JRe> even using --with-hal and installing libhal-dev
[03:44] <JRe> Apart from thath, breezy is really really nice on amd 64 =)
[03:44] <Riddell> JRe: ooh, you have an amd64?
[03:44] <apokryphos> Riddell: stuck on the patches part; not quite sure what's going on there. How do I check that the patches were applied?
[03:44] <JRe> Riddell: yeah :)
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[03:45] <Riddell> "checking for the HAL 0.4... searched but not found"  that'll be the problem then
[03:45] <Riddell> apokryphos: patch -p1 < debian/patches/foo
[03:45] <JRe> yes it seems
[03:45] <Riddell> where foo is each patch in that directory
[03:45] <Riddell> apokryphos: if it complains about hunks then it's not applied
[03:47] <apokryphos> Riddell: I got nuthin' in there except a common/ 
[03:47] <Riddell> apokryphos: make sure to reverse the patches before building  patch -p1 -R < debian/patches/foo
[03:47] <Riddell> apokryphos: ah, no patches, sorted then :)
[03:48] <apokryphos> I'll have to tackle the patching with another one some time, then (presuming I get passed this one! :)
[03:51] <apokryphos> Riddell: DEB_MAKE_INVOKE := $(DEB_MAKE_ENVVARS) unsermake -p -C $(DEB_BUILDDIR) <-- should I just remove that whole line?
[03:51] <Riddell> apokryphos: yep
[03:51] <Riddell> apokryphos: and remove the unsermake build-dep in debian/control
[03:51] <apokryphos> yup
[03:51] <Riddell> unsermake is nice but not worth the hassle
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[04:04] <apokryphos> Got a damned error, but I'll tell ya tomorrow :)
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[04:21] <JRe> mmm adept is nice
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[08:34] <pef> hello
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[10:52] <verwilst> hm, can it be that the fonts in breezy are nicer than in hoary?
[10:52] <verwilst> :d
[10:59] <Tm_T> progress
=== ..[topic/#kubuntu-devel:Riddell] : Make packages https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KDE35Packages || apt-get install adept kde-guidance || Breezy Preview http://www.kubuntu.org/breezy-preview.php || https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Kubuntu
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[01:21] <verwilst> kde-guidance ?
[01:21] <verwilst> what's that?
[01:22] <sebas> system administration tools
[01:22] <sebas> kcontrol modules, actually.
[01:22] <verwilst> oh
[01:23] <Riddell> verwilst: install them and see if they work
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[01:24] <verwilst> i installed em
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[01:24] <Riddell> verwilst: did they turn up in systemsettings?
[01:24] <verwilst> that users and group thing says something about a python so not being found
[01:24] <Riddell> verwilst: does running userconfig  on the command line work?
[01:25] <verwilst> ImportError: No module named qt
[01:25] <verwilst> you need pyqt for it to run?
[01:26] <sebas> Missing dependency on pyqt then.
[01:26] <verwilst> that's a hefty dependency :)
[01:26] <verwilst> i would like to start coding too again
[01:26] <verwilst> don't know on what yet though :d
[01:26] <verwilst> Riddell: oh, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KDE35Packages ?
[01:26] <verwilst> are you making 3.5beta debs?
[01:27] <sebas> Hm, guidance depends on python-kde3 which depends on python2.4-kde3 which depends on python2.4-qt3
[01:27] <sebas> That should actually not be a problem then.
[01:28] <verwilst> python2.4-qt3 isn't installed here :)
[01:28] <Riddell> verwilst: only made kdelibs and kdebase so far, if you want to help make more that would be great
[01:29] <Riddell> verwilst: install python-kde3 and see if it works
[01:29] <sebas> verwilst: Hm, strange, guidance should have it installed as a dep ... :?
[01:29] <Riddell> sebas: it doesn't seem to be a dep of guidance
[01:29] <sebas> [13:27:50] <sebas> Hm, guidance depends on python-kde3 which depends on python2.4-kde3 which depends on python2.4-qt3
[01:30] <sebas> (I just checked that, though.)
[01:30] <verwilst> Riddell: yeah, would like to
[01:31] <Riddell> verwilst: start by making a chroot
[01:32] <Riddell> sebas: guidance in breezy archive doesn't depend on python-kde3
[01:32] <verwilst> Riddell: hehe i know ;)
[01:32] <Riddell> but that's easily fixed, I think there's other problems
[01:34] <sebas> Riddell: Hm, what's the reason for it not depending on pykde?
[01:34] <sebas> (In my checkout of trunk/ it does.)
[01:35] <Riddell> sebas: that's a build-dep, there's no install dep on pykde
[01:35] <sebas> Ah.
[01:36] <sebas> I might aswell read the control file, instead of just skimming it. ;-)
[01:36] <Riddell> but that's easy to fix, it's other stuff that's the problem
[01:36] <Riddell> verwilst: does userconfig work now?
[01:38] <verwilst> Riddell: didn't use it yet
[01:38] <verwilst> coworkers bugging me with problems i have to solve :d
[01:39] <verwilst> Microsoft is nagging again that our antispam/virus servers are blocking their mails
[01:39] <verwilst> yesterday they said the same
[01:39] <verwilst> but it was their own servers :|
[01:39] <verwilst> fucking retards
[01:39] <verwilst> hm, no knoda in breezy?
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[01:44] <verwilst> any idea about knoda? :$
[01:44] <verwilst> i need it :p
[01:44] <verwilst> since mysqlcc isn't available either anymore
[01:44] <verwilst> need to do queries on remote mysql servers
[01:44] <verwilst> unless somebody else knows a tool? :d
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[01:45] <sebas> Gives you encryption for free.
[01:46] <sebas> You could also install a local apache and use phpmyadmin (either with tunneling or with remote SQL).
[01:47] <Riddell> verwilst: failed to compile http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/k/knoda/0.7.3-2/
[01:49] <verwilst> sebas: well normally i use phpmyadmin on the remote servers
[01:49] <verwilst> but this server can resolve hostnames, but make no connections anymore :p
[01:49] <verwilst> strange stuffs happen with it :p
[01:50] <verwilst> Riddell: aha okido
[01:50] <verwilst> Riddell: on the 3.5 beta's, is full debugging enabled?
[01:50] <verwilst> would be great to have it enabled
[01:50] <Riddell> verwilst: no, no space on CDs
[01:51] <Riddell> or anywhere else, debugging symbols take up muchos space
[01:53] <verwilst> cd's?
[02:02] <verwilst> hmmmm breezy is sweet :$
[02:02] <verwilst> only the default fonts are too big, and that background image doesn't look very professional
[02:02] <verwilst> but after some tweaking, wooooohooooow
[02:02] <verwilst> :d
[02:03] <verwilst> also, the rounded selections in konqueror and all are sweet ;)
[02:03] <verwilst> glad to see that patch getting incorporated finally ;)
[02:04] <sebas> Jep, if it only were AA'ed :-)
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[02:06] <verwilst> trou
[02:06] <verwilst> true
[02:06] <verwilst> me too
[02:06] <verwilst> the selections could get some work
[02:06] <verwilst> but it looks a lot less win3.11 already :d
[02:06] <Riddell> blue selection background?
[02:06] <verwilst> when you drag your mouse
[02:07] <sebas> Don't tell me that slipped in by accident, Riddell :D
[02:08] <verwilst> hehe
[02:10] <Riddell> drag mouse where?
[02:10] <verwilst> lol :p
[02:10] <verwilst> in konqueror
[02:10] <verwilst> on desktop
[02:10] <sebas> Just select a part of your desktop background by dragging the mouse
[02:10] <sebas> Or in konqi, yeah.
[02:11] <sebas> The selected area becomes a blue frame then
[02:12] <Riddell> ah yes, rubber band
[02:19] <verwilst> yip
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[05:16] <apokryphos> Riddell: hey, you here?
[05:46] <Riddell> apokryphos: hi
[05:47] <apokryphos> Riddell: on the debuild, I get this error: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2199
[05:47] <Riddell> apokryphos: that means it's all compiled and you just have to work out which files have been added and which removed since last release
[05:48] <Riddell> apokryphos: amor.png will have been moved to hicolor (from crystalsvg)
[05:48] <Riddell> apokryphos: you need to edit debian/*install
[05:48] <apokryphos> Riddell: so to the next step? It says it failed though :D
[05:50] <Riddell> apokryphos: ?
[05:50] <Riddell> apokryphos: it failed because it's trying to install a file which has been moved
[05:50] <apokryphos> right
[05:50] <Riddell> you need to edit debian/*install
[05:50] <apokryphos> takin' a look now
[05:50] <Riddell> various application icons have been moved from crystalsvg to hicolour
[05:51] <Riddell> once you've moved all the files that have been moved and removed all the files that have been removed (from .install) doing dh_install --list-missing will tell you which have been added
[05:56] <Riddell> people running breezy: does sound work?
[06:01] <apokryphos> Riddell: sorry about that -- annoying flooders in #ubuntu. Right, so I should change the path in those files to the new ones?
[06:02] <apokryphos> (not move to old crystalsvg folder)
[06:03] <\sh> Riddell: yes..sound works..
[06:03] <\sh> Riddell: what's up with knoda? I saw it depends on python2.3
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[06:07] <Riddell> must just be me then
[06:09] <Riddell> \sh: knoda needs libhk-classes7-dev
[06:09] <Riddell> which doesn't seem to have been synced
[06:09] <\sh> Riddell: hmmm....
[06:10] <\sh> Riddell: but can we upgrade python2.3 to 2.4 as build-depends?
[06:11] <Riddell> \sh: well it won't make any difference if libhk-classes7-dev still isn't there
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[06:11] <Riddell> apokryphos: only app icons have moved, not others
[06:12] <apokryphos> yup, just going to use crystalsvg/hicolor
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[06:15] <winsux> can somebody guide me with instructions how to configure apt
[06:20] <apokryphos> Riddell: this time complains about man page location, but the man is nowhere to be found inside debian/
[06:20] <apokryphos> dh_install -- so many handy debian tools. =)
[06:21] <Riddell> apokryphos: unsermake installs some man pages that automake doesn't.  you can either edit the debian/rules to cp them yourself, or just remove them from the .install
[06:21] <apokryphos> ok, I'll remove them
[06:21] <Riddell> cool
[06:21] <Riddell> winsux: ask in #kubuntu
[06:24] <apokryphos> Riddell: replace references to locolor/ icons with hicolor/, right?
[06:25] <Riddell> apokryphos: yes, I moved some locolour icons too
[06:25] <apokryphos> right
[06:26] <Riddell> curious how my artwork fixes end up being the biggest pain when it comes to packaging stuff
[06:26] <apokryphos> This stuff would be easy if I knew it -- later changes'll be easy.
[06:27] <tvo> Riddell: http://home.casema.nl/vollebregt/junk/with_systray/katapult_0.2-0ubuntu3.{diff.gz,dsc}
[06:27] <tvo> systray not yet disabled but i won't have time for that until sat/sun (probably)
[06:28] <tvo> for the rest, it's all code+docs changes backported (not buildsys) 
[06:34] <Riddell> tvo: cool, thanks
[06:34] <tvo> np
[06:35] <\sh> Riddell: libhk7-classes didn't exist neither in debian nor ubuntu...who packaged it?
[06:36] <Riddell> \sh: spooky, no idea
[06:37] <Riddell> http://packages.debian.org/unstable/libs/libhk-classes7
[06:38] <Riddell> renamed
[06:39] <\sh> Riddell: I'll have a look on this...and requesting eventually a sync
[06:45] <\sh> Riddell:  g++ -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I.. -DHKCLASSES=\"/usr/lib/hk_classes\" -Wall -I/usr/include/python2.3 -g -O2 -MT libhk_classes_la-hk_actionquery.lo -MD -MP -MF .deps/libhk_classes_la-hk_actionquery.Tpo -c hk_actionquery.cpp  -fPIC -DPIC -o .libs/libhk_classes_la-hk_actionquery.o
[06:45] <\sh> hk_dsvisible.h:36: error: 'hk_datasource' has not been declared
[06:45] <\sh> hk_dsvisible.h:39: error: ISO C++ forbids declaration of 'hk_datasource' with no type
[06:45] <\sh> u really want it?
[06:46] <Riddell> \sh: gcc 4 error?  I'm not that fussed but it has been requested more than once
[06:47] <\sh> Riddell: I don't know...but this was my first try
[06:47] <\sh> Riddell: it's not even in the second compile line ;)
[06:48] <Riddell> \sh: what's that?
[06:49] <\sh> Riddell: the first sourcefile is ftbfsing ;)
[06:49] <Riddell> hah, always a bad sign that :)
[06:49] <\sh> Riddell: it sucks ;)
[06:52] <\sh> Riddell: found a patch :)
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[06:55] <Riddell> OculusAquilae: is there a patch to not display the systray icon for katapult?
[06:55] <OculusAquilae> Riddell: we have one in svn
[06:56] <Riddell> OculusAquilae: what's the revision number?
[06:57] <OculusAquilae> Riddel: hm, I think it was before our svn
[06:58] <OculusAquilae> Riddell: I have this patch on my harddisk and Revision 8 and 13 are related with this
[06:59] <OculusAquilae> Riddell: OK 8 is a very little correction
[06:59] <apokryphos> What's "packaging without cleaning" (as in, what's the cleaning?)
[06:59] <Riddell> OculusAquilae: could you send me the patch?
[06:59] <Riddell> apokryphos: what's the context?
[06:59] <apokryphos> Riddell: debuild -nc to repackage without cleaning
[06:59] <OculusAquilae> Riddell: ok, but first I will integrate Revision 8 in it
[07:01] <Riddell> apokryphos: debuild (without -nc) will run the clean target which will remove any generated files.  it will also take the opportunity to remake the .diff.  means you have to do a complete compile afterwards if you want new .debs
[07:03] <apokryphos> Riddell: I did several debuilds in the process (got errors, fixed them, and redid). debuild seems to be fine now (did gpg key etc); the .debs are generated; should I run with the -nc or is that not necessary?
[07:03] <Riddell> OculusAquilae: what does 8 do?  "small bugfix" isn't a very helpful log comment :)
[07:03] <Riddell> apokryphos: that's not necessary, -nc is just while you're making changes to the packaging and don't want to wait for a complete new recompile every time
[07:03] <\sh> Riddell: should we request a sync and fix it later, or do the universe standard via revu?
[07:04] <apokryphos> gah! Knew there was that simpler way. No worries. 8)
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[07:04] <OculusAquilae> Riddell: correct .ui file
[07:05] <Riddell> \sh: sync may be faster, means no NEW
[07:05] <\sh> Riddell: k..
[07:07] <apokryphos> Everything installed just fine =). Will go on to making a hoary chroot
[07:09] <\sh> Riddell: request done.
[07:09] <\sh> Riddell: and with patch hk-classes builds clean
[07:10] <OculusAquilae> Riddell: un the way via e-mail
[07:10] <OculusAquilae> s/un/on
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[07:14] <\sh> Riddell: it's already in the archive..fixing it now
[07:17] <Riddell> \sh: whuh?  a sync that quick?
[07:17] <Riddell> or it was already synced?
[07:17] <\sh> Riddell: no...it was already synced
[07:17] <\sh> Riddell: I'm applying the patch now...and uploading new version
[07:18] <\sh> Riddell: adjusting the build-deps to python2.4
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[07:28] <AnHu> hello, I found a bug with Gaim and KDE: After rebooting Gaim isn't in the KDE system treay again 
[07:28] <AnHu> I mean tray
[07:31] <Riddell> AnHu: what happens when you then start gaim?
[07:42] <AnHu> well, when I start Gaim normally, it's in the system tray
[07:42] <\sh> grmp
[07:42] <\sh> why debian applied an python2.3 shit
[07:42] <AnHu> but if I reboot, it's not in the systemtray but it starts
[07:43] <AnHu> I have the problem with Kubuntu Hoary and an snapshot of Breezy (20050903)
[07:45] <Riddell> AnHu: so gaim is started but doesn't appear in the systray?
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[07:50] <JRe> Riddell: what module i have to recompile to enable hal backend? only kdebase, now ?
[07:50] <JRe> s/now/no/
[07:51] <Riddell> JRe: yes, kdebase
[07:51] <Riddell> that's on my TODO list for this evening
[07:51] <JRe> Riddell: ok I'll do a try also
[07:52] <Riddell> JRe: good luck, let me know how it goes
[07:52] <Riddell> OculusAquilae: new katapult uploaded, thanks for the patches
[07:53] <OculusAquilae> Riddell: nice, np
[07:53] <\sh> hk-classes build with gcc4 + python2.4
[07:53] <\sh> uploading
[07:54] <\sh> Riddell: u take care about knoda then?
[07:54] <Riddell> \sh: you rock
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[07:56] <\sh> or at least her drugs ;)
[08:00] <AnHu> Riddell: Yes, so it is
[08:00] <AnHu> I think it's an kubuntu problem, because on other distros there isn't this problem
[08:01] <Riddell> AnHu: can you file a report on bugzilla.ubuntu.com, I'll look into it
[08:02] <AnHu> good.
[08:02] <AnHu> thanks a lot, jonathan
[08:03] <Riddell> AnHu: well, I can't promise it'll be fixed :)
[08:03] <AnHu> of course I cannot but I think you will fix it ;-)
[08:04] <AnHu> you cannot I mean
[08:11] <AnHu> ok, I entered the bug on bugzilla
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[08:13] <AnHu> thanks. Will I get a email, if the satus of the bugzilla entry will be changed?
[08:24] <JRe> Riddell: It's may be a HAL version trouble
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[08:26] <Riddell> JRe: what sort of trouble?
[08:26] <JRe> Riddell: checking for the HAL 0.4... searched but not found (and we have HAL 0.5)
[08:26] <Riddell> hmm
[08:26] <JRe> => checking if the HAL backend for media:/ sould be compiled... no
[08:27] <JRe> Riddell: http://wiki.kde.org/tiki-index.php?page=DBUS
[08:27] <Riddell> there should be a patch to update it to 0.5
[08:27] <Riddell> I think
[08:27] <Riddell> unless I'm getting my HAL versions confused
[08:28] <\sh> Riddell: somebody can work on knoda...i386/amd64 hk-classes are build ;)
[08:28] <Riddell> \sh: I'll let you know if I have some spare time :)
[08:28] <Riddell> maybe AnHu could be a new MOTU :)
[08:28] <\sh> Riddell: hint on the package? or is anyone working on it ? ;)
[08:29] <\sh> AnHu: please join #ubuntu-motu and help u ;)
[08:29] <\sh> s
[08:29] <Riddell> OculusAquilae: fancy seeing if knoda builds with the new hk-classes?
[08:34] <JRe> Riddell: http://lists.kde.org/?l=kde-devel&m=111205990319427&w=2
[08:34] <Riddell> JRe: that's just JRT :)
[08:35] <JRe> =) =)
[08:35] <JRe> Riddell: http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=101075
[08:39] <JRe> Riddell: i think we have to patch kdebase/kioslave/media
[08:41] <AnHu> I, a new MOTU???
[08:42] <AnHu> I'm not a developer
[08:42] <\sh> AnHu: but packager ;)
[08:44] <Riddell> AnHu: plenty room for improvement then :)
[08:44] <AnHu> \sh: Is there now a german documentation for packaging ?;-)
[08:44] <Riddell> JRe: I'm sure I already made a patch for it
[08:44] <JRe> Riddell: mmm ok
[08:44] <Riddell> JRe: unless I'm getting my HAL versions muddled up
[08:44] <\sh> AnHu: come on ;)
[08:44] <Riddell> JRe: look through the changelog
[08:45] <\sh> AnHu: packaging is easy...fixing bugs is the sport ;)
[08:45] <JRe> Riddell: ok i am exploring /debian
[08:45] <\sh> AnHu: and I think the debian new maintainer guide is also translated in german ;)
[08:46] <\sh> AnHu: u know bad boys with w. smitch and m. lawrence? I'm as well a "donknonothing"
[08:46] <JRe> Riddell: it was  kubuntu_23_hal_api.diff but it's no more in kdebase/debian/patches
[08:53] <Riddell> JRe: can you track down a copy?
[08:54] <Riddell> I wonder where it went to
[08:54] <JRe> Riddell: I don't have older version of kdebase diff
[08:54] <JRe> the mistery of the missing patch =)
[08:55] <JRe> Riddell: on google i find it in http://dev.kubuntu.org.uk/~jr/kubuntu/ but the website is down
[08:56] <JRe> Riddell: and on unstable they're still with hal 0.4.8 so they don't have made a patch ATM
[09:08] <Riddell> hmmm
[09:16] <JRe> Riddell: I am trying to made such a patch using svn diff with the commits which fixed the bugs
[09:17] <\sh> Riddell: do we need konq-shellhere anymore?
[09:18] <Riddell> JRe: I suspect I must have removed it since it wouldn't have applied and maybe I thought it had been backported
[09:18] <Riddell> or maybe I just went mad
[09:20] <JRe> Riddell: i am exploring the log of configure.in.in of the 3.4 branche and it seems that it has not been backported
[09:21] <Riddell> and I don't have access to dev.kubuntu.org.uk now, and I can't find it in morgue
[09:21] <Riddell> \sh: what's that?
[09:21] <\sh> Riddell:  "Open shell here" extension for Konqueror
[09:22] <\sh> but depends on konquere << 3.1.0-0 ,-)
[09:22] <Riddell> \sh: there's a separate package for that?
[09:23] <\sh> yes
[09:23] <Riddell> \sh: well Konqueror already has a Open Terminal Here action so it can be move to morgue
[09:23] <\sh> Riddell: merci :) 
[09:24] <Riddell> JRe: try stealing the archlinux one http://cvs.archlinux.org/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/kde/kdebase/hal-0.5x.patch?cvsroot=Extra&only_with_tag=TESTING
[09:25] <JRe> Riddell: ok :)
[09:25] <Riddell> JRe: the patch was actually a joint effort between me and him so he won't mind :)
[09:26] <JRe> =)
[09:36] <JRe> Riddell: on configure.in.in patching, it's necessary to re run autoconf, no ?
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[09:47] <JRe> Riddell: this patch seems to be the good one but i put it in the debian/patches dir but when i build the package the configure script has not been updated
[09:47] <Riddell> JRe: hmm, that's always evil
[09:47] <Riddell> run   make -f debian/rules buildprep
[09:47] <Riddell> see if that fixes it
[09:49] <JRe> Riddell: /j #cdbs
[09:49] <JRe> Riddell: sorry mistake
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[09:54] <JRe> Riddell: yeah! checking for the HAL... headers /usr/include/hal  libraries /usr/lib
[09:55] <JRe> Riddell: checking if the HAL backend for media:/ sould be compiled... yes
[09:55] <Riddell> JRe: awooga
[09:56] <JRe> Riddell: so it seems that this patch resolve the problem. I am building right now and will test
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[09:58] <Riddell> JRe: have you thought about extending your media plugin stuff to be a general HAL listener?
[09:59] <Riddell> I don't know if that's a good idea or not but it would be cool to have graphical feedback when you plug in a network cable or whatever
[09:59] <JRe> Riddell: yeah i have thinked about it
[10:00] <JRe> Riddell: it could be a cool feature and is not hard to implement,since medianotifier listen dcop signals from hal backend
[10:00] <JRe> Riddell: but i wonder if the user would not be over sollicited
[10:02] <Riddell> it could be discreet, doesn't have to be the same big popup window, just a bubble or something
[10:02] <Riddell> JRe: something else that seems to have been lost in kdebase is not adding icons on the desktop of a new user
[10:03] <JRe> Riddell: yes, right. I think with Plasma, we will have the usefull widgets to do such a thing
[10:03] <JRe> Riddell: so I'll think on it for KDE 4
[10:04] <JRe> Riddell: I am going to work also on KFloppy to have a decent drive format application in KDE
[10:04] <Riddell> JRe: so it will work with more than floppies?
[10:04] <JRe> (it will work also with usb drives, ...)
[10:05] <JRe> Riddell: yeah and it will integrated in the services menus
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[10:35] <JRe> Riddell: ok tested now HAL backend is working
[10:36] <Riddell> JRe: awooga
[10:36] <Riddell> JRe: can you send me that patch?
[10:36] <JRe> Riddell: I took the one you give me the URL
[10:37] <Riddell> ok, groovy
[10:37] <JRe> Riddell: and runned buildprep, nothing more =)
[10:39] <JRe> great, the "normal" hard drive are hidden
[10:39] <JRe> =)
[10:48] <apokryphos> Riddell: so when there are patches, do I do a patch -p1 < debian/patches/common/foo for each individual file in there (as in, is that it?)
[10:48] <apokryphos> Since, I get a lot of "FAILED"
[10:49] <apokryphos> i.e. http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2222
[10:51] <\sh> Riddell: is kde using gamin/inotify?
[10:52] <Riddell> \sh: gamin yes
[10:53] <Riddell> which I guess uses inotify in the backend
[10:53] <\sh> yes
[10:53] <\sh> we have a serious issue with it
[10:53] <Riddell> the menu stuff?
[10:53] <\sh> yes
[10:53] <\sh> did u ever see it with kde?
[10:55] <Riddell> nope
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[11:27] <apokryphos> Riddell: what should I do? :)
[11:28] <Riddell> apokryphos: yes, that's what you do
[11:28] <Riddell> apokryphos: if it fails you have to fix the patch
[11:29] <Riddell> which is the nasty bit
[11:29] <Riddell> apokryphos: what are you packaging?
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[11:29] <apokryphos> Riddell: kdetoys for hoary
[11:29] <apokryphos> there are quite a few of them
[11:42] <Riddell> apokryphos: I thought you said kdetoys had no patches
[11:42] <apokryphos> Riddell: the breezy source I got for it had none
[11:42] <apokryphos> the hoary source seems to have quite a few
[11:42] <Riddell> apokryphos: just use the breezy source
[11:42] <apokryphos> ok
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