[12:03] <PASIKAT> hey
[12:03] <PASIKAT> Pc22
[12:03] <nalioth> pc22: i'm sure you are not
[12:04] <PASIKAT> i cant send private msg. toe you
[12:04] <pc22> why not
[12:05] <nalioth> no unidentified users can send private messages on freenode
[12:17] <pc22> will be back
[12:17] <pc22> brb
[12:37] <_hippie> how to install kde 3.4.2 in amd64?
[12:38] <apokryphos> _hippie: you'd have to compile; there's no repo with it
[12:39] <_hippie> apokryphos: how to install packages for amd64?
[12:40] <_hippie> compile?
[12:40] <apokryphos> You'd have to compile if you really wanted 3.4.2, yes
[12:40] <apokryphos> though, you could just wait till breezy is out
[12:40] <_hippie> and for other apps?
[12:41] <apokryphos> what other apps?
[12:41] <_hippie> apps non-kde
[12:42] <apokryphos> What's your question?
[12:44] <_hippie> i want know how to install apps amd64 in kubuntu
[12:44] <apokryphos> _hippie: most cases you'll be able to get them from the repositories
[12:45] <apokryphos> for most kde versions you'd be able to, too, but currently only 3.4.0 is available for 64-bit
[12:45] <_hippie> ok, thanks apokryphos 
[12:54] <jdef> what is katapult
[12:54] <jdef> how exactly is it used
[12:55] <blackflag> hello all
[12:56] <blackflag> I have a problem with an od box
[12:56] <blackflag> dual protz, scsi
[12:56] <blackflag> 7years old
[12:56] <blackflag> Im not able to boot the machine
[12:57] <blackflag> post is running and they than Bios is installed 
[12:57] <blackflag> and then go noting
[12:57] <nalioth> blackflag: neither floppy or bootable cdrom works?
[12:57] <blackflag> no disc, cdrom or HD
[12:57] <blackflag> The machine stand for a half year
[12:58] <blackflag> and there was a debian installed
[12:58] <nalioth> have you checked the bios battery?
[12:58] <blackflag> I put a pci Video card in, no agp support on board
[12:59] <blackflag> the battery? how can I check ?
[12:59] <lui> hello hello
[12:59] <nalioth> blackflag: on the motherboard is a battery the size of an american/canadian quarter
[01:00] <lui> anyone who wants dreamweaver mx in linux talk to me
[01:00] <nalioth> blackflag: if the box is 7 years old, the battery probably needs changing
[01:00] <blackflag> yes I know, and then?
[01:00] <blackflag> change it or what should I do?
[01:01] <nalioth> blackflag: a new battery may fix your problem
[01:01] <jdef> lui how?
[01:01] <nalioth> one step at a time
[01:01] <blackflag> hmm okay I will try
[01:01] <nalioth> lui: we don't discuss warez and such here, take it to #kubuntu-offtopic, please
[01:02] <lui> ok
[01:03] <lui> lets go there jdef
[01:09] <Spudchat> hi everyone
[01:09] <paul1> Hi Spudchat
[01:09] <Spudchat> i just installed the 686 kernel for higher mem support and my resolution became tiny
[01:09] <Spudchat> where would i go to fix that?
[01:09] <Spudchat> and hi paul1 
[01:10] <paul1> I can't see how one would effect the other.
[01:10] <Spudchat> me neither but it did
[01:11] <paul1> Resolutions are usually set in your /etc/X11/Xorg file
[01:11] <nalioth> Spudchat: you using kubuntu or ubuntu?
[01:11] <Spudchat> kubuntu
[01:12] <nalioth> Spudchat: i'm not up to speed on resolution setting in kde, have you tried the control panel?
[01:13] <Spudchat> hmm
[01:13] <apokryphos> jdef: a pretty application launcher, inspired by Quicksilver on OS X
[01:14] <Spudchat> ok it looks like it isnt the resolution that is the problem
[01:14] <Spudchat> but everything looks so damn tiny i can barely read it
[01:14] <paul1> Spudchat: Maybe just your font sizes changed.
[01:15] <paul1> Spudchat: Or your dots per inch
[01:17] <Spudchat> well i just changed some of the font sizes and he still looks tiniy
[01:20] <jdef> apokryphos how exactly do I use it
[01:20] <apokryphos> jdef: alt+f2 -> katapult
[01:20] <apokryphos> alt+f2 for perhaps the last time, that is ;-)
[01:25] <jdef> ok and how do u configure it 
[01:25] <apokryphos> jdef: what do you want to change about it?
[01:26] <jdef> let's say I want to launch firefox with it
[01:26] <apokryphos> jdef: then go for it
[01:26] <apokryphos> alt+space -> fire
[01:27] <apokryphos> ah, it tries to launch firefox central
[01:27] <apokryphos> that's because it's trying to use bookmarks, I guess
[01:27] <apokryphos> right-click on the tray icon to configure that
[01:29] <jdef> really cool!
[01:29] <op> i have a second drive on me computer which i am trying to mount and i am trying to type in "mkdir /mnt/seccond_hdd" but it is saying permission denied. anyone know why?
[01:29] <apokryphos> jdef: it's nice, eh? ;-)
[01:30] <jdef> excellent!
[01:30] <apokryphos> =)
[01:31] <Blissex> op: we are sorry, all our telepathic advisors are busy on other lines... :-)
[01:32] <nalioth> Blissex: did you let Miss Cleo go for coffee again?
[01:32] <op> okay then can anyone point me in the direction of a site that explains how to mount a drive i have never done it before
[01:33] <apokryphos> op: what filesystem? ntfs? fat?
[01:33] <op> i think one is ntfs and one is fat
[01:33] <op> i am trying to mount both of them
[01:34] <apokryphos> !windowsdrives
[01:34] <ubotu> somebody said windowsdrives was Download and run http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/files/winmac_fstab to make your windows partions mount automatically
[01:34] <op> okay thanks
[01:34] <apokryphos> op: you can use that handy lil' script; it'll do it automagically for you. 
[01:43] <blackflag> back again
[01:43] <blackflag> :-)
[01:43] <blackflag> I changed the battery but this is not the raeson
[01:44] <blackflag> why I cant boot the system
[01:44] <blackflag> what could it be?
[01:45] <blackflag> The scsi drives are all to see during post
[01:45] <blackflag> also that there is a bootable cdrom inserted
[01:45] <blackflag> but nothing goes
[01:46] <blackflag> and t5here is a debian on the box
[01:46] <Blissex> blackflag: you haven't pur CDROMs before  hard discs in the boot order perhaps?
[01:47] <blackflag> no
[01:47] <blackflag> I have 2 bios's
[01:47] <blackflag> the normal and the scsi
[01:47] <blackflag> under the normal there is no choice to boot from cdrom only under the scsi bios
[01:48] <jdef> how do I autoconnect witha registered nick in konversation
[01:48] <blackflag> ANd under the scsi bios I can only say from which ID I want to boot
[01:49] <blackflag> for a half year I installed the system and do nothing then with that
[01:49] <blackflag> now I want and nothing goes:-(
[01:49] <blackflag> what is happened?
[01:51] <apokryphos> jdef: edit the default identity and under Auto identify, put Service: nickserv
[01:51] <apokryphos> and of course your pass, after that
[01:53] <apokryphos> speaking of katapult, Riddell: are you going to be developing/maintaining katapult now, then? 
[01:53] <apokryphos> rubberband seems to be working faster as of late; I saw somewhere that slow rubberband was generally down to not having some Qt patch; I guess it would be going slower if it didn't have that, but anyhow...
[01:54] <Riddell> apokryphos: there's a project on berlios, jre and me and others would like to work on it if there's e
[01:54] <Riddell> ever time
[01:55] <apokryphos> Really like it; wondering why this hasn't hit the masses; been out for some time
[01:55] <nalioth> apokryphos: what is that?
[01:56] <apokryphos> nalioth: primarily an application launcher for kde
[01:56] <nalioth> apokryphos: aside from the "run" menu option?
[01:57] <apokryphos> It's meant to work a lot with plugins, though. By default also handles documents and bookmarks
[01:57] <apokryphos> nalioth: yes, similar to that.
[01:59] <jdef> apokryphos : using it I like it shouldn't be hidden though
[02:00] <apokryphos> jdef: hidden?
[02:01] <jdef> apokryphos: only found it by chance reading on website no menu entry 
[02:02] <apokryphos> Yup; as I said, it doesn't seem to be well-known
[02:02] <Bicchi> can anyone explain all the options during bootup in grub. I have: "Ubuntu, kernel 2.6.10-5-amd64-generic Default"  "Ubuntu, kernel 2.6.10-5-amd64-generic Default (recovery mode)" "Ubuntu, kernel 2.6.10-5-amd64-generic" "Ubuntu, kernel 2.6.10-5-amd64-generic (recovery mode)"
[02:03] <apokryphos> not sure if/how Kubuntu is going to rectify it. I guess replacing Run Command... is an option, but not sure if it'll happen. You'd have to ask Riddell here :)
[02:04] <Riddell> hmm?
[02:04] <apokryphos> while it's pretty/speedy, it lacks the options (and perhaps integration of kde) that alt+f2 has; probably an issue.
[02:04] <apokryphos> Riddell: how will people know of katapult? :D
[02:04] <Riddell> apokryphos: same way they know of alt-f2 I guess
[02:04] <Riddell> alt-space is the new alt-f2
[02:05] <apokryphos> Most know that from K Menu -> Run Command, I think.
[02:05] <apokryphos> Riddell: originally, I reckon, at least.
[02:05] <jdef> apokryphos: really useful for me I hat navigating menus
[02:07] <jdef> Riddell: great job on this version of Kubuntu really noticeable differences stability wise on my system
[02:08] <Riddell> jdef: what was unstable before?
[02:09] <jdef> Riddell: first version of Kubuntu crashed regularly on my system
[02:10] <jdef> Riddell: eventually switched to Ubuntu but KDE my preferred desktop this Breezy preview rocks
[02:10] <Riddell> random crashes are evil, especially when only some people get them, just plain spooky
[02:12] <jdef> Riddell: this one runs like the wind on my system 
[02:12] <apokryphos> apart from that, only other real issue was admin mode in kcontrol
[02:13] <jdef> apokryphos: that was a KDE related problem wasn't it?
[02:13] <nalioth> apokryphos: quality over quantity
[02:13] <apokryphos> jdef: pretty much. I think it might have had something to do with su -> sudo change in kdesu, too
[02:14] <apokryphos> nalioth: SuSE have some pretty amazing coders in the world of KDE, though. ;-)
[02:14] <jdef> anyone here using adept? what are your impressions
[02:14] <apokryphos> jdef: better than Kynaptic, but I'm still preferring KPackage. Split view gives me a bad recollection of HTML frames
[02:14] <nalioth> apokryphos: with Novell handing out the $$$, why wouldnt they?
[02:14] <apokryphos> 8)
[02:15] <jdef> pretty much the first thing I did was install synaptic
[02:15] <Riddell> apokryphos: which reminds me, volunteers needed for making KDE 3.5 packages :)
[02:15] <Riddell> beta 1
[02:16] <apokryphos> Heh. Now, if only I could package properly :)
[02:16] <chavo> Riddell, when is beta 1 coming out?
[02:16] <jdef> would like to help but pretty much zero knowledge of any type of programming
[02:16] <Riddell> chavo: yesterday I think it was scheduled for
[02:16] <apokryphos> doubt I'd even be able to do enough packaging to even get into the world of packaging some big like kde (within, say, a year :P)
[02:16] <nalioth> jdef: there are more ways to help than programming knowledge
[02:17] <jdef> nalioth: for instance?
[02:17] <apokryphos> jdef: Kubuntu is in need of documentation, as it is.
[02:17] <chavo> aha, Release 3.4.91 (beta1, >20050910)
[02:17] <chavo> already running it
[02:17] <nalioth> jdef: using the latest builds to test for bugs, docs, as apokryphos points out
[02:17] <chavo> I upgraded from svn yesterday
[02:17] <nalioth> jdef: hangin in here and helping new users
[02:18] <chavo> Riddell, is 3.5 going into breezy?
[02:19] <apokryphos> chavo: nope
[02:19] <apokryphos> Riddell: hm, just saw the kubuntu 3.5 wiki pack process. Looks like something I could go through. :)
[02:20] <Flying_Eagle> in this point ubuntu sucks... the chaining to gnome-releases
[02:21] <jdef> where can I get more info on helping with Docs
[02:21] <nalioth> jdef: #ubuntu-doc
[02:22] <nalioth> jdef: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocteamGettingStarted
[02:25] <Bicchi> Can anyone explain all menu options of grub during bootup. Like one says generic the other says (recovery mode) ?
[02:25] <blackflag> I found the boot problem
[02:25] <blackflag> it is the pci vidio card
[02:25] <blackflag> removing all pci's and I can boot again
[02:26] <nalioth> Bicchi: recovery mode drops you into a root shell
[02:26] <blackflag> but plugin the pci vidio card nothing goes
[02:26] <blackflag> there is vidiocontroller on board
[02:26] <nalioth> blackflag: try another pci slot?
[02:26] <blackflag> hmm no
[02:26] <blackflag> good idea
[02:26] <blackflag> moment
[02:27] <Bicchi> nalioth: yeah but one says "Default" and the other does not?
[02:27] <nalioth> default should boot you into (k)ubuntu
[02:27] <Bicchi> and the other?
[02:27] <nalioth> Bicchi: i dont have grub, i run yaboot
[02:27] <Bicchi> so what is: Ubuntu, kernel memtest86+
[02:27] <hon> "make" is not installed by default in kubuntu breezy. is there an important reson behind this?
[02:28] <nalioth> hon: kubuntu is aimed at desktop users, not developers
[02:29] <blackflag> hmm nothing goes
[02:29] <hon> but gcc 4 is installed, and also imake
[02:29] <blackflag> it seems there is conflict between the 2 vidio's
[02:29] <nalioth> hon: install "build-essential"
[02:30] <blackflag> and cant find a bio setting to turn off theonboard vidio
[02:30] <jdef> Bicchi: basically a diagnostic tool and benchmark for RAM
[02:30] <blackflag> what can I do?
[02:30] <Bicchi> jdef: so its not a boot option? why would it be there ?
[02:31] <hon> nalioth: thanks.
[02:31] <blackflag> Its important to me cause with the onboard vidio controller I get only a resolution 800x600
[02:31] <blackflag> not good for wrk
[02:31] <hon> I just was curious why it wasn't installed :)
[02:31] <nalioth> Bicchi: to test your ram for proper function
[02:31] <nalioth> hon: see reason above
[02:31] <hon> yeah :)
[02:32] <blackflag> Is it possible wit such old hardware to have 2 vidiocontrollers?
[02:32] <Spudchat> does anyone know of a program so i can stream music from archive.org ?
[02:33] <Bicchi> so i just want to know the difference between: "Ubuntu, kernel 2.6.10-5-amd64-generic Default"   and    "Ubuntu, kernel 2.6.10-5-amd64-generic"
[02:36] <jdef> Bicchi: looks to be the same entry
[02:37] <jdef> Bicchi: best way to determine boot each option
[02:38] <Bicchi> jdef: and then what type uname -a
[02:39] <jdef> Bicchi: yes I believe both entries are the same
[02:39] <Bicchi> jdef: funny how i am dual booting yet have 6 boot options
[02:40] <nalioth> Bicchi: have you upgraded your box?
[02:40] <Bicchi> nalioth: yes
[02:40] <jdef> Bicchi: yeah that seems to be a little prob with GRUB detection but fairly easy to rectify
[02:41] <nalioth> Bicchi: then you're probably lookin at older kernels
[02:42] <Bicchi> nalioth: but upgrading should modify my grub menu to include the new kernel?
[02:42] <nalioth> Bicchi: whenever you upgrade to a new kernel, it should upgrade your menu.lst, also
[02:43] <Bicchi> it does. but i have been using the same kernel version. not sure why it does not change
[02:43] <Bicchi> what version do you have now?
[02:44] <nalioth> i have Linux dualg5 2.6.10-5-power4-smp #1 SMP Thu Sep 8 08:15:52 UTC 2005 ppc GNU/Linux
[02:45] <hydrogen> Linux dilsexic 2.6.12-8-386 #1 Tue Aug 30 22:41:30 BST 2005 i686 GNU/Linux
[02:45] <nalioth> hydrogen: you living in the past?
[02:45] <hydrogen> wtf
[02:45] <hydrogen> yes
[02:45] <hydrogen> I guess I am
[02:45] <hydrogen> hrm
[02:46] <hydrogen> interesting
[02:46] <Bicchi> i guess
[02:46] <hydrogen> thats odd
[02:46] <hydrogen> because date shows it right
[02:46] <Bicchi> maybe cause i have a 64 bit machine?
[02:46] <hydrogen> Wed Sep 14 20:48:36 EDT 2005
[02:46] <hydrogen> from date
[02:47] <hydrogen> oh
[02:47] <hydrogen> no, thats not current time
[02:47] <Bicchi> maybe each architecture carrries different kernel and they are not necesarily sinchonized.
[02:47] <hydrogen> well
[02:47] <hydrogen> I'm using 2.6.12 and you are using 2.6.10
[02:48] <Bicchi> yeap
[02:49] <Bicchi> here is my uname -a
[02:49] <Bicchi> Linux ubuntu 2.6.10-5-amd64-generic #1 Thu Sep 8 07:06:01 UTC 2005 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[02:49] <Bicchi> i just upgraded
[02:53] <wa_wa> whose from phil here
[02:53] <wa_wa> any one here
[02:56] <benford> question? has anyone else noticed that linuxquestions.org has been down or is this just me?
[02:57] <benford> sorry if it is a bit off topic
[03:20] <jdef> does the kubuntu breezy preview come with java installed
[03:20] <nalioth> jdef: no it does not
[03:20] <chavo> jdef, yes
[03:20] <chavo> it did here
[03:21] <chavo> or I got an iso that came out just before the preview
[03:21] <jdef> I know I haven't installed it but java -version gives 1.4.2
[03:21] <nalioth> chavo: you sure? it's not legally allowed
[03:21] <jdef> nalioth: it seems it did
[03:22] <nalioth> (k)ubuntu can't include anything patented or copyrighted (that's what multiverse and extras are for)
[03:22] <chavo> nalioth, yes it's in there
[03:22] <jdef> anybody else notice java included
[03:22] <narg> it is
[03:23] <blackflag> maybe someone can help with my hardware issue
[03:23] <narg> for me at least ;)
[03:23] <chavo> I have it running in a vmware right now
[03:23] <blackflag> when iplug in apci card than Im not able to boot
[03:23] <jdef> Riddell: is java included in the Breezy preview
[03:23] <narg> Apperently even with Suns wierd licensing it is.
[03:23] <blackflag> different ports , different cards
[03:23] <Riddell> jdef: gcj does seem to be yes
[03:24] <blackflag> not able to boot then
[03:24] <Riddell> no idea how well that works
[03:24] <chavo> java version "1.4.2"
[03:24] <blackflag> Has somewone an idea??
[03:24] <jdef> ok I have the latest version how do I uninstall current version
[03:25] <Riddell> nalioth: almost everything in kubuntu is copyrighted (just a technicality :)
[03:25] <nalioth> Riddell: that must be the difference tween ubuntu and (k)ubuntu
[03:25] <Riddell> nalioth: no, almost everything in ubuntu is copyrighted as well
[03:27] <JRe> I have troubles with ivman on breezy
[03:27] <nalioth> Riddell: then i'm confused as to why 'extras' 
[03:27] <nalioth> i have a lot to learn
[03:28] <Riddell> nalioth: free software like KDE is copyrighted but with a licence to allow free (liberal) copying.  proprietry software like acrobat reader etc etc is copyrighted with a licence restricting copying
[03:30] <jdef> so it's restrictive licences that are avoided
[03:36] <jdef> java plugins not configured 
[03:49] <jsrockervox> hello
[03:49] <nalioth> howdy
[03:50] <jsrockervox> pretty cool
[03:50] <jsrockervox> I just put Kubuntu onmy dell laptop
[03:50] <nalioth> welcome!
[03:51] <jsrockervox> I've tried several linux distros, but havent had much luck
[03:51] <jsrockervox> I kind of a novice when it comes to the linux world
[03:52] <nalioth> you've picked a well supported distro with kubuntu
[03:53] <Riddell> jsrockervox: kubuntu working?
[04:01] <jdef> I don't seem to be able to remove current java environment w/out uninstalling Oo anyway around this?
[04:02] <nalioth> jdef: if you dont get any other answers, let me know
[04:03] <narg> jdef: OO.o depends on it, so I doubt it :/
[04:03] <jdef> narg: looking to install latest java environ webplugins in the included version don't seem to work
[04:04] <jsrockervox> yeah it's working
[04:06] <jsrockervox> It seems ok, it just so far k3b is getting an error about cddao
[04:06] <nalioth> jsrockervox: for some reason, k3b doesnt install cdrdao
[04:06] <jsrockervox> and I can't watch dvd's on it yet because of the css encryption
[04:06] <nalioth> jsrockervox: you can install it
[04:06] <narg> jdef: it should work, but its not nessessarly configured.
[04:06] <nalioth> !tell jsrockervox about restricted
[04:07] <narg> jdef: In konq, you need to enter its path, and in firefox, I've never actually gotten java to work :p
[04:07] <hon> are we going to be depended on gstreamer in breezy?
[04:07] <jdef> narg: I installed and configured the plugin and confirmed presence but not working properly browser hanging
[04:07] <narg> jdef: oh :\
[04:07] <narg> jdef: never seen that one before
[04:08] <narg> jdef: All apps, or just a certain one?
[04:08] <jdef> narg: I have always configured for firefox and konq
[04:08] <jdef> narg: firefox in this case
[04:08] <narg> jdef: No, I mean for all java applets, or just a certain one
[04:09] <jsrockervox> cool
[04:09] <jsrockervox> I am actually trying to switch to linux instead of ms windows
[04:10] <jdef> narg: at javatester which is where i usually confirm it works properly
[04:10] <jsrockervox> this kubuntu seems pretty fast
[04:10] <jdef> jsrockervox: yeah it glides doesn't it
[04:10] <hon> Riddell: are we going to depend on gstreamer in kubuntu breezy?
[04:10] <narg> jdef: I have no idea :/ sorry.
[04:11] <narg> jdef: I assume you can't apt-get upgrade it, possibly with backports?
[04:11] <jsrockervox> sure does
[04:11] <jsrockervox> looks nice too
[04:12] <jdef> narg:  no backports yet 
[04:12] <jsrockervox> i have a P4 laptop w/2 mb cache - 512 mb DDR and a widescreen xga screen
[04:12] <jsrockervox> 1.5 ghz
[04:13] <jdef> jsrockervox: what model dell
[04:13] <jsrockervox> I was able to get the speedstepping turned off in ms windows by turning off all the power saving but cant find where to turn it off in linux
[04:13] <jsrockervox> it's a Inspiron 6000\
[04:13] <jsrockervox> it's not bad
[04:14] <jsrockervox> not the best but not bad
[04:14] <jsrockervox> It has a DVD burner so the DVD thing pretty important
[04:14] <jdef> nalioth: suggestions on my java problem
[04:15] <chavo> jdef, have you tried installing both? You can pick a specific location for the java binary in knoq prefs.
[04:15] <nalioth> jdef: talk to seveas in #ubuntu. he has a deb that might work
[04:15] <chavo> konq that is ^
[04:16] <jdef> chavo: wouldn't that cause problems to java environs
[04:17] <jsrockervox> sorry, i closed the window
[04:20] <marndt> Hi everyone...I finally got my wifi card working!  I believe what fixed it was using the bcmwl5a.inf dirve
[04:22] <jsrockervox> so hows life in linux
[04:24] <nalioth> jsrockervox: you tell us, you are the newly virus-free computer user
[04:24] <marndt> I don't need to shell out my money to Bill for software that only works sometimes
[04:24] <apokryphos> but he's such a nice guy!
[04:25] <nalioth> jsrockervox: marndt brings up another good point about your new linux box
[04:25] <hydrogen> he looks like a goon.
[04:25] <jdef> god knows he needs the money
[04:25] <jsrockervox> yeah microsoft sucks
[04:26] <jsrockervox> I work part time in a computer shop and microsuck keeps us in work
[04:26] <jsrockervox> haha
[04:26] <marndt> believe me, I deal with their software everyday...it's not good
[04:26] <nalioth> jsrockervox: oh yes, not a problem. but that doesnt mean you have to like them
[04:26] <marndt> for all of their money, you would think that they would test it better
[04:26] <jsrockervox> I do alot of virus removal and reloads
[04:26] <jsrockervox> sound familiar?
[04:26] <jsrockervox> lmao
[04:27] <nalioth> jsrockervox: not on your kubuntu box anymore
[04:27] <marndt> No, acutally, I don't need to remove viruses
[04:27] <jsrockervox> I think i know the windows registry better than bill does by now
[04:27] <apokryphos> that's the "Microsoft tries to recruit me by Eric S. Raymond."
[04:27] <marndt> I have a helper of mine make sure every month to go and check each host to make sure that Windows Updates and antivirus is current
[04:27] <jsrockervox> It's like a breeding grounds for crap
[04:28] <marndt> But it's ridiculous that you need to pay money for antivirus!
[04:28] <jsrockervox> windows me and windows nt got together and had a horrible baby...windows XP
[04:28] <jsrockervox> haha
[04:29] <marndt> Think about it...people exploit flaws in Windows...Microsoft should release free software that prevents and removes malware
[04:29] <jsrockervox> yeah
[04:29] <jsrockervox> they have an anti spyware but it sucks too
[04:29] <jdef> apokryphos: I see a lot of people reacted negatively to his response
[04:29] <jsrockervox> i guess cause if it was a good one they'd get sued
[04:30] <jdef> jsrockervox: spyware becoming really frustrating to remove
[04:30] <apokryphos> jdef: I hadn't noticed; skimmed a few and they were more "lol" responses
[04:30] <jsrockervox> yeah
[04:30] <marndt> Then, another whole situation is Microsoft Business Solutions....what a fricken joke!
[04:30] <jsrockervox> it getting to the point where it just corrupt files
[04:30] <jsrockervox> corrupt winsocks2
[04:31] <marndt> Microsoft Business Solutions = "Top 10 Ways to Ruin Your Business While We Laugh All The Way To The Bank"
[04:31] <jsrockervox> It's the biggest reason why im trying to move over to linux
[04:31] <jsrockervox> I'm gettign real tired of cleaning this thing out
[04:32] <jdef> jsrockervox: all my years in windows I never got a virus/spyware 
[04:32] <jdef> jsrockervox: but then I'm pretty paranoid
[04:32] <jsrockervox> lmao
[04:32] <marndt> I got viruses on the network at work...Usually it was my fault for not keeping the Windows Updates current
[04:32] <jsrockervox> lol
[04:33] <jdef> jsrockervox: cleaned a hell of alot on other machines
[04:34] <jsrockervox> same here
[04:34] <jdef> did a little experiment the other day surfed the internet w/out protection picked up a virus in 30 secs thk god for vmware
[04:34] <jsrockervox> and the stinking blue screen and illegal operaqtion
[04:34] <marndt> Microsoft is gay
[04:34] <jdef> illegal operation is my favorite
[04:34] <jsrockervox> I loaded a ME machine down in 30 minutes
[04:35] <jsrockervox> 256 mb Ram
[04:35] <jdef> once went on a job interview where the asked for the solution to illega operation message
[04:35] <jsrockervox> down to 6% recourses free in 30 minutes
[04:35] <marndt> Does anyone know if you can download vpnc on Kubuntu?
[04:36] <jsrockervox> basically you could go on the internet and get a few neat toolbars, hotbar, smiley central, wintools and be stuck in 30 minutes
[04:36] <True_Chaos|Lapto> how do I edit my profile file?
[04:37] <jsrockervox> I know the solution to illegal operations
[04:37] <jsrockervox> some napalm and a match
[04:38] <kalenedrael> Or a Linux bootable CD.
[04:38] <jsrockervox> haha
[04:48] <marndt> does anyone know the repo for vpnc?
[04:48] <othernoob> marndt: universe, pretty sure
[04:48] <nalioth> !info vpnc
[04:48] <ubotu> vpnc: (Cisco-compatible VPN client), section universe/net, is extra. Version: 0.3.2+SVN20041123-1 (hoary), Packaged size: 41 kB, Installed size: 188 kB
[04:49] <marndt> What's strange is that I have universe activated but I get an error when I attempt to download it
[04:50] <marndt> nalioth: I type "!info vpnc" into shell but it errors-out
[04:51] <apokryphos> marndt: you're not meant to type that into a shell
[04:51] <apokryphos> marndt: if universe is enabled, what does sudo apt-get install vpnc give?
[04:52] <True_Chaos|Lapto> Hey, im trying to add a path to my bash_profile file and I cant seem to find the file.  Theres nothing about bash_profile listed in my /etc/profile
[04:53] <marndt> apokryphos: I get: http://pastebin.com/364170
[04:53] <apokryphos> marndt: did you not do apt-get update after you added universe?
[04:54] <jdef> goodnight all
[04:54] <marndt> Yes, that errors out on me too
[04:54] <apokryphos> marndt: can you pastebin those errors too, then?
[04:55] <marndt> apokryphos: http://pastebin.com/364171
[04:56] <apokryphos> your sources.list is incorrect. Use this example one:
[04:56] <apokryphos> !sources
[04:56] <ubotu> sources are at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto A list of official repositories can be found at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969
[04:56] <claydoh> True_Chaos|Lapto: there is one in your home directory, though obviously this is only good for that one user
[04:56] <apokryphos> marndt: just uncomment the ones you want, from there.
[04:57] <marndt> apokryphos: I don't understand what you mean by "uncomment the ones you want"
[04:57] <apokryphos> marndt: on http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969 there's an example sources.list
[04:57] <apokryphos> the ones prefixed w/ith a "#" are ones that are commented out -- ones that would be ignored by apt.
[04:58] <marndt> apokryphos: Here is my repo list: http://pastebin.com/364174
[04:59] <nalioth> marndt: !info (pkg name) is a trigger for ubotu to tell us things
[04:59] <claydoh> True_Chaos|Lapto: there is also one in /etc/skel, but files in that folder are only used when creating new users
[04:59] <True_Chaos|Lapto> ah kk
[04:59] <nalioth> marndt: you should "sudo apt-get intall vpnc"
[04:59] <apokryphos> Could be a case of problems with the dang us. mirror -- I really don't know why it's been having so many problems
[04:59] <True_Chaos|Lapto> now i just need to open the file so i can edit it
[05:00] <marndt> apokryphos: should I just use the repo that you've sent me?
[05:00] <claydoh> True_Chaos|Lapto: any text editor will do :)
[05:00] <apokryphos> marndt: try:  sudo sed -i s/us.archive/archive/ /etc/apt/sources.list
[05:01] <claydoh> just don't forget tosave a copy so you can replace it if needed :)
[05:01] <apokryphos> marndt: then sudo apt-get update
[05:02] <marndt> ok I will try it
[05:03] <apokryphos> marndt: in general, it's not a good idea to try installing packs when apt-get update fails
[05:04] <marndt> apokryphos: that seemed to be the problem
[05:04] <marndt> apokryphos: I was starting to think that
[05:04] <marndt> apokryphos: what did the "sed" command do?
[05:05] <apokryphos> marndt: it's a stream editor; I generally use it just for bulk-changing patterns in files
[05:06] <apokryphos> marndt: it replaced all occurences of "us.archive" with "archive" in your /etc/apt/sources.list -- making you to no longer have the US mirror.
[05:06] <marndt> Ok, I saw that command when I was attempting to config my wifi card
[05:07] <marndt> apokryphos: here's my latest pastebin: http://pastebin.com/364179 
[05:07] <marndt> apokryphos: will I be ok?
[05:08] <apokryphos> hm, weird.
[05:08] <nalioth> marndt: that is one big ol' sources.list
[05:09] <nalioth> marndt: have you seen the one here?
[05:09] <apokryphos> nalioth: it's a fairly standard one
[05:09] <apokryphos> looks larger there from the mirrormax gets
[05:09] <nalioth> apokryphos: really?
[05:09] <marndt> nalioth: I retrieved that sources list from: www.ubuntuguide.org
[05:09] <apokryphos> nalioth: yeah; http://pastebin.com/364174
[05:10] <nalioth> apokryphos: i have mirrormax (as much good as it does a ppc user) and mine aint that long
[05:10] <apokryphos> marndt: don't use that. ubuntuguide = evil =)
[05:10] <nalioth> marndt: ubuntuguide is not the right place to get repo addresses
[05:10] <marndt> Where's a good source for repos?
[05:11] <apokryphos> marndt: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969
[05:11] <apokryphos> They recommended marillat until very recently, as I recall.
[05:12] <marndt> Should I just simply replace my repo list with the one you've listed?
[05:12] <apokryphos> marndt: good idea to, yes. See if you get problems then
[05:12] <apokryphos> marndt: you'll want to uncomment the ones you want to use
[05:13] <marndt> apokryphos: I will try it...
[05:13] <nalioth> marndt: the address(es) ubotu sent you are good
[05:41] <NamShub> 'top' always show gam_server using 86%+ of my CPU. what is it, and why is that working so hard (it makes mythtv unusable)
[05:42] <apokryphos> NamShub: it's a known Linux bug; google for it.
[05:42] <apokryphos> when it runs up cpu it's good to kill it, at least
[05:42] <NamShub> ok
[05:42] <NamShub> thanks
[05:47] <NamShub> fixed all my problem, thanks :)
[05:48] <apokryphos> excellent 8)
[05:56] <laszlok> ok thanks it works now!
[05:59] <ztonzy> apokryphos, morning, up late or early ;) ?
[05:59] <apokryphos> ztonzy: very late :). Still used to holiday times
[06:00] <ztonzy> apokryphos, ah, I am about to head for my work(internship)
[06:00] <apokryphos> ohh
[06:00] <apokryphos> so early?
[06:00] <ztonzy> 06.00 here
[06:00] <ztonzy> in an hour it start
[06:01] <ztonzy> plumbing :)
[06:01] <ztonzy> apokryphos, I also saw your ban in the other channel 
[06:02] <apokryphos> sounds really early :-O
[06:02] <apokryphos> ztonzy: yup, frivolous members about. :)
[06:02] <ztonzy> workhours 7-16
[06:02] <apokryphos> right
[06:03] <ztonzy> what word is that ? "frivolous"
[06:05] <apokryphos> just means silly, pretty much
[06:05] <ztonzy> ah
[06:06] <nalioth> apokryphos was gone so long cuz he was gettin his brain put in a jar so he can be here 24/7
[06:07] <apokryphos> no rest for the wicked
[06:09] <lwells> HI all
[06:10] <nalioth> howdy
[06:10] <lwells> i cannot find the apacheectl on kubuntu
[06:10] <lwells> sorry that is apachectl
[06:10] <nalioth> !info apacheectl
[06:10] <nalioth> crap
[06:10] <nalioth> !info apachectl
[06:11] <nalioth> not in the repos, lwells 
[06:12] <lwells> repos?
[06:12] <nalioth> lwells: repositories
[06:12] <nalioth> where ubuntu software comes from
[06:13] <lwells> not sure really
[06:13] <lwells> i have apache2 installed and it seems to work properly
[06:14] <lwells> just need to find that executable to restart the server
[06:14] <nalioth> !tell lwells about repos
[07:29] <dell500> is it possible to have Evolution seperate your mail from mailbox to mailbox?  like assign different folders for different addresses to keep it sorted
[08:02] <aftertaf> ok... still having a breezy kde update problem.
[08:02] <aftertaf> imagemagick not downloading
[08:03] <nalioth> aftertaf: turn off your RTIOW(#UY#$R#@(# client when you're gone
[08:03] <nalioth> aftertaf: your client has been dropping off/reconnecting SINCE YOU left!
[08:08] <aftertaf> imagemagick not downloading correctly
[08:09] <_ian> so, is the super karamba icon supposed to look like the kde crash handler? because that seems to be a pretty good connection
[08:09] <aftertaf> lol its a blue blob
[08:09] <_ian> super karamba........ BLAM!
[08:10] <nalioth> aftertaf: are you here?
[08:12] <chavo> _ian, there's a new icon in .37 
[08:16] <nalioth> aftertaf: are you here?
[08:16] <aftertaf> nalioth:  barely, man...
[08:16] <aftertaf> and you? :D
[08:17] <nalioth> aftertaf: you got problems dude
[08:18] <nalioth> aftertaf: your client has been dropping/reconnecting all day long
[08:18] <aftertaf> i know man..... the proxy at work is awful at times
[08:18] <nalioth> aftertaf: you should reset your modem/box/client
[08:18] <nalioth> reset the proxy 
[08:18] <nalioth> or shoot it
[08:18] <aftertaf> shit really?     i should disconnect when i go home.
[08:18] <_ian> go office space on it
[08:18] <aftertaf> i'd love to, but its in holland...
[08:19] <_ian> well, mail them instructions
[08:19] <aftertaf> its all centrally managed bullshit by AT&T
[08:19] <aftertaf> lool gonna tell them we have problems....
[08:19] <_ian> "please kill your system hostname _______ ip address ______. thank you.  you will not be reimbursed"
[08:20] <aftertaf> :)
[08:20] <aftertaf> anyway, i cannot get imagemagick to download from breezy repos
[08:21] <nalioth> i can see why with that shite proxy you have
[08:23] <aftertaf> hehe.... but i dont think its the proxy... cos it keeps stopping at the same byte, 76%
[08:24] <_ian> vlc won't install for breezy, anyone found a work arround or just wait for it to get fixed?
[08:24] <_ian> I'm running ppc on a g4
[08:25] <nalioth> _ian: report it to bugzilla.ubuntu.com (or see if it has been reported)
[08:25] <nalioth> and wait
[08:25] <_ian> :(
[08:27] <_ian> its allready in there
[08:29] <aftertaf> ahh crap!
[08:29] <nalioth> aftertaf: please do us the favor
[08:29] <aftertaf> and on this PC, i changed the dist-upgrade to just upgrade and it downloads more stuff.....
[08:29] <aftertaf> yeah?
[08:30] <aftertaf> wazzat?
[08:31] <_ian> if its your proxy, can you just bypass it?
[08:31] <aftertaf> nope...
[08:31] <_ian> NICE
[08:31] <aftertaf> no path to outside except http proxy...
[08:32] <_ian> why not just delete it?
[08:32] <aftertaf> afaik.... scure corporate (bullshit) network
[08:32] <aftertaf> i'm not a sysadmin here, i have no rights on anything...... and the proxy is the other side of an MPLS cloud, i'm in france and it is in holland.
[08:33] <nalioth> simply turning off your client would suffice
[08:34] <aftertaf> nalioth:  thought that was gonna be your favour.
[08:34] <_ian> so, see if you can convince france to invade holland and fix your proxy
[08:35] <nalioth> aftertaf: you've filled my logs in 4 channels today
[08:35] <nalioth> in.out.in.out.in.out.in.out
[08:45] <_ian> wow, learned that the hard way, never type /list on a server this big
[08:57] <hussam> Anybody knows if nvidia 3d acceleration is working in breezy?
[09:03] <_ian> anyone know how to get a temperature sensor reading on an ibook g4?
[09:08] <pc6> \nick Viper
[09:08] <hussam> ||maddox|: you there?
[09:08] <pc6> \barry_oil2000q
[09:09] <pc6> \nick barry_oil2000q
[09:11] <barry_oil2000q> anyone here?
[09:12] <barry_oil2000q> hello mendred
[09:20] <barry_oil2000q> <!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Strict//EN" "DTD/xhtml1-strict.dtd">
       /msg nickserv set unfilt</I></B></body>
[09:25] <_pc6> hello redeyes
[09:25] <_pc6> r u der
[09:25] <redeyes> hi
[09:25] <_pc6> hello
[09:25] <_pc6> from wer u r?
[09:25] <redeyes> I speak english
[09:25] <barskie> ok anyway from wer u r my frnd
[09:26] <barskie> yah i knw dat
[09:26] <barskie> what s ur name
[09:27] <barskie> hello anyone here
[09:28] <barskie> hello troy
[09:28] <barskie> can we talk
[09:28] <barskie> hello ben 
[09:28] <barskie> can we talk?
[09:31] <barskie> hello jeezis
[09:31] <barskie> can we talk?
[09:31] <Jeezis> umm sure, what's up?
[09:31] <barskie> from wer u r
[09:31] <Jeezis> usa
[09:31] <barskie> ok
[09:31] <Jeezis> pennsylvania
[09:31] <barskie> can u teach me how to use this
[09:31] <barskie> i
[09:31] <barskie> i find it difficult
[09:32] <Jeezis> what are you trying to use?
[09:32] <_ian> wow, learned that the hard way, never type /list on a server this big
[09:32] <Jeezis> _ian: indeed :-p
[09:32] <barskie> coz evrytime i ask for private conversation i alwys blocked
[09:33] <barskie> r u der
[09:33] <nalioth> barskie: you are unidentified
[09:33] <barskie> but how can be identified
[09:33] <barskie> but how can i be identified
[09:34] <barskie> can u help me frnd
[09:35] <Jeezis> barskie: "/msg nickserv identify help
[09:35] <Jeezis> without the " of course
[09:37] <barskie> where i type that
[09:37] <aftertaf> for info, seems to be the fr. breezy repos that is suffering
[09:38] <barskie> hello jeeziz
[09:40] <barskie> anyone could help me 
[09:41] <barskie> wincide
[09:41] <barskie> r u der
[09:41] <thoreauputic> barskie:  /msg nickserv register <password>
[09:41] <aftertaf> too late dude ;)
[09:42] <thoreauputic> hah
[09:42] <thoreauputic> how often that happens...
[09:42] <thoreauputic> barskie:   /msg nickserv register <password>
[09:42] <barskie> hello thoreaputic
[09:42] <thoreauputic> hello
[09:42] <barskie> can u help mw
[09:43] <barskie> can u help me?
[09:43] <thoreauputic> barskie: btw . hit <tab. to complete nicks
[09:43] <thoreauputic> barskie: I just did ^^^
[09:43] <barskie> but how
[09:43] <barskie> i cnt register i find it hard
[09:43] <thoreauputic> how what?
[09:43] <thoreauputic>  /msg nickserv register <password>
[09:44] <barskie> everytime i ask private conversation i'm blocked
[09:44] <thoreauputic> where <paasword> is your password...
[09:44] <thoreauputic> *sigh*
[09:45] <barskie> tam i register now
[09:45] <barskie> am i register now thoreaputic?
[09:46] <barskie> r u der
[09:49] <wincide> barskie: sure
[09:49] <barskie> from wer u r?
[09:50] <barskie> wincide can u invite me to a private conversation?
[09:51] <barskie> hello wincide
[09:53] <barskie> barskie /msg nickserv register
[09:57] <mendred> barskie: what client r u using?
[09:58] <mendred> u should have some sort of a command area where u can type ur commands
[09:58] <mendred> try registering as per the instructions given above
[09:58] <barskie> why
[09:59] <barskie> freenode
[09:59] <mendred> no i mean the application
[10:05] <aftertaf> after upgdare to breezy, no session possible cos no write access to .ICEauthority.....
[10:05] <nalioth> aftertaf: thats a common problem
[10:05] <nalioth> just open a terminal and rm your .ICEauthority
[10:05] <aftertaf> rm it? ok...
[10:05] <aftertaf> i chmodded it
[10:06] <nalioth> aftertaf: what happens is: nautilus gets root powers and locks the ICE file
[10:06] <nalioth> aftertaf: just rm it
[10:06] <nalioth> aftertaf: it's made new each session, anyway
[10:08] <wincide> barskie: why do you want a private??
[10:11] <aftertaf> respnse time from ping 250-320 ms.....
[10:11] <aftertaf> explains it.
[10:18] <ice> hi i have some problems
[10:18] <ice> can anyone help me?
[10:18] <nalioth> if you ask a question, perhaps
[10:19] <ice> :)
[10:19] <ice> i am searching ettercap and telnet server and how to install them
[10:20] <nalioth> telnet is inherently insecure, i'd use a ssh server
[10:20] <ice> i know but i need them for my linux learn proccess 
[10:21] <nalioth> ice: then fire up your synaptic and search for them.
[10:21] <ice> i tried but didnt know the name in kynaptic
[10:22] <nalioth> ice: you cant put "ettercap" in the search blank?
[10:23] <ice> let me try
[10:23] <ice> didnt appear
[10:24] <nalioth> ice: do you have all your repos enabled?
[10:25] <ice> repos
[10:25] <ice> ?
[10:25] <ice> only have 4 days using kubuntu :D
[10:25] <nalioth> !tell ice about sources
[10:25] <nalioth> ubotu is sending some info, please read it
[10:25] <ubotu> Bugger all, i dunno, nalioth
[10:26] <nalioth> !botsnack
[10:26] <ubotu> thanks nalioth :)
[10:30] <aftertaf> mornfall:  a pause or stop button when d/ling in adept would be handy ;)
[10:33] <aftertaf> btw, kde breezy is lovely looking ;)
[10:35] <ice> done thanks to all :D
[10:36] <nalioth> how bout that? thanks and run.
[10:37] <mornfall> aftertaf: see b.k.o, it's already filed :)
[10:37] <aftertaf> bko?
[10:42] <derFlo> kontakt tells me, that KWallet is not available, but I can start kwalletmanager and enter new briefcases...
[10:43] <derFlo> I searched in google, but until now, i didn't find any hint
[10:53] <pointwood> anyone played around with postgresql and phppgadmin?
[10:53] <pointwood> ups that question belongs to #ubuntu
[11:31] <mongo> Hello, Can anyone help me troubleshoot a kubuntu install? I am unable to enable cookie handler. Th error message appears when I attempt to configure konquer 
[11:48] <Tm_T> Kamping_Kaiser: o/
[11:48] <Kamping_Kaiser> Tm_T:  :D
[11:49] <kairu0> hey all
[11:49] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi kairu0
[11:51] <kairu0> yo Kamping_Kaiser 
[11:51] <Kamping_Kaiser> :)] 
[11:51] <Tm_T> \o/
[11:51] <Tm_T> Kamping_Kaiser: what's up, pal
[11:51] <kairu0> thats disgusting
[11:51] <Kamping_Kaiser> kairu0: lmao
[11:52] <Kamping_Kaiser> Tm_T: not a lot. (thats different ;D) what about you mate?
[11:52] <Tm_T> well, still waiting my adsl connection
[11:52] <Tm_T> frustration!
[11:52] <Kamping_Kaiser> sif still waiting :(
[11:54] <kairu0> how many of you are running breezy?
[11:54] <Kamping_Kaiser> kairu0: yup. but ubuntu breezy, not kubuntu breezy
[11:55] <kairu0> oh
[11:56] <Kamping_Kaiser> kairu0: why do you ask?
[12:02] <aftertaf> kairu0:  1 breezy & 1 hoary
[12:22] <Tm_T> fooooooood ->
[12:22] <aftertaf> ^^---------- yeah :D
[12:22] <Kamping_Kaiser> heh
[12:22] <Tm_T> "no I'm not hungry at all"
[12:22] <aftertaf> i am....
[12:22] <aftertaf> could eat a lifesize m&m
[12:22] <aftertaf> till we get a /me burp ;D
[12:22] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[12:22] <kairu0> aftertaf: you run two different ubuntus at once?
[12:22] <aftertaf> yep.
[12:22] <aftertaf> i wanna get networking on linux.....
[12:22] <aftertaf> in fact, 3 ubuntus for 2 pcs (debootstrap :D)
[12:22] <kairu0> how do y'all find the speed of ubuntu and kubuntu compare?
[12:22] <aftertaf> kairu0:  both kubuntu....
[12:22] <aftertaf> i had an allergy to gnomes ;)
[12:22] <aftertaf> but seeing as they are the same system with different packages, may as well have both and choose ;)
[12:22] <Kamping_Kaiser> heh
[12:22] <aftertaf> tho i prefer kdm to gdm
[12:22] <kairu0> i like gnome better visually, but for some reason i get more work done in kde
[12:22] <kairu0> maybe its the brightness
[12:22] <onesandzeros> do any of you guys have experience with gentoo/portage?
[12:22] <onesandzeros> kairu0: you in Japan?
[12:22] <fluffybunny_> onesandzeros: try the gentoo forum? #gentoo
[12:22] <kairu0> onesandzeros: ey
[12:22] <kairu0> onesandzeros: yes
[12:22] <onesandzeros> fluffybunny_: yeah, I know, but I'm thinking about switching over when the next kubuntu is released.  next month?
[12:23] <onesandzeros> are there any linux user groups in your area?
[12:23] <Kamping_Kaiser> onesandzeros: 13th oct. 
[12:23] <fluffybunny_> can I view folders in konqueror (like in windows? you know, the left hand panel thingy with a tree view of folders? ) if so, how?
[12:24] <onesandzeros> fluffybunny_: well, what I don't like about gentoo is sitting through builds.  What I do like is all the stuff in portage and the ability to emerge testing packges, or lock a package at one particular version, etc.  Can I do that with ubuntu as well?
[12:24] <Kamping_Kaiser> onesandzeros: yes, you can
[12:24] <Kamping_Kaiser> using apt and dpkg
[12:24] <Kamping_Kaiser> if your a build junky you can use apt-build to do all that still :D
[12:24] <onesandzeros> and ubuntu has more up-to-date stuff than debian, right?
[12:24] <Kamping_Kaiser> yes
[12:24] <onesandzeros> heh, ok thanks
[12:24] <Kamping_Kaiser> then debian stable
[12:25] <kairu0> onesandzeros: i dont know of any. i hear that fedora is quite popular here though
[12:25] <onesandzeros> kairu0: where you are you in the country, if you don't mind me asking?
[12:25] <kairu0> onesandzeros: saitama prefecture
[12:25] <onesandzeros> really?  
[12:25] <onesandzeros> ah
[12:25] <onesandzeros> how is it up there?  I've always lived in the west
[12:27] <kairu0> onesandzeros: its ..very hot right now hehehe. are you in japan now?
[12:27] <onesandzeros> yeah, kansai had its first cool day today.
[12:28] <kairu0> onesandzeros: cool. what do you do in japan?
[12:28] <onesandzeros> work at a jhs
[12:29] <kairu0> lol i worked at a jhs today too
[12:29] <onesandzeros> well organized or a zoo?
[12:30] <kairu0> well organized
[12:31] <onesandzeros> I prefer the other, heh.  The more chaotic, the better.
[12:32] <kairu0> lol
[12:32] <kairu0> zoo jhs is more interesting
[12:33] <onesandzeros> yeah.  sorry, gotta go for a bit, the curry is ready...
[12:33] <kairu0> lol cya
[12:55] <nalioth> Kamping_Kaiser: watch out for that stone
[12:56] <Kamping_Kaiser> bit sooner would have helped ;D
[12:56] <nalioth> Kamping_Kaiser: why? y'all left it laying their yesterday
[12:57] <Kamping_Kaiser> its a *big* rock remember :/
[01:20] <spiral> hi
[01:20] <`6og> hi
[01:27] <aftertaf_> breezy bug?   Can't run X. Could not read network connection list /home/david/.DCOPserver_portal_0 . Check if DCopserver program is running
[01:28] <aftertaf_> Hangs on interprocess communitations for KDE.
[01:30] <ubuntu> yuhoooooooooooo
[01:31] <aftertaf_> Riddell:  is there an issue with DCOP at the moment in breezy?
[01:31] <kane> this is great
[01:31] <Riddell> aftertaf_: not that I know of, what's the problem?
[01:31] <kane> 1st time in here
[01:35] <aftertaf_> Riddell:  I went breezy, and now i can't open KDE.
[01:35] <aftertaf_> I get this message:
[01:35] <aftertaf_> breezy bug?   Can't run X. Could not read network connection list /home/david/.DCOPserver_portal_0 . Check if DCopserver program is running
[01:35] <aftertaf_> less the rbeezy bug bit ;)
[01:36] <aftertaf_> and in console i kill dcopserver and start it again, i get ICE authentification pbs...
[01:36] <aftertaf_>   /usr/bin/iceauth:  timeout in locking authority file /home/david/.ICEauthority / ICE Connection rejected!
[01:37] <fluffybunny_> how do I access kde wallet?
[01:37] <fluffybunny_> and, is kde wallet safe?
[01:40] <`6og> afaik kde wallet is safe, dont know how you access it
[01:41] <nalioth> perhaps in the kde pocket   :)
[01:41] <`6og> :P
[01:42] <fluffybunny_> nalioth: kde pocket?
[01:43] <fluffybunny_> nalioth: oh, i get geddit... doh! lol
[01:43] <`6og> Gedit? whats that got todo with it ;P
[01:45] <fluffybunny_> knothing, i suppose ... lol
[01:45] <fluffybunny_> nice that this is not a no -lol- zone :D
[01:45] <`6og> lol. in no shape or form :)
[02:14] <|exec|> ;/j2eesdk-1_4_02_2005Q2-linux-ml.bin: error while loading shared libraries: libstdc++-libc6.2-2.so.3: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory; what to i need to install java dk ?
[02:15] <`6og_away> c libraries isnt it?
[02:15] <|exec|> well but i think i have installed the c libraries... libc
[02:15] <|exec|> whats the name of the package?
[02:16] <`6og_away> *shrug*
[02:18] <|exec|> hm =(
[02:40] <pl_ice> hi
[02:45] <after8> bye
[02:45] <after8> :)
[02:45] <after8> Riddell> i think it was a package thing.. i RE updated and upgraded and it loads ok now....
[02:46] <after8> we are in unstable times :D
[03:09] <avd> hello
[03:10] <avd> nice distro :)
[03:10] <avd> make life simplier
[03:11] <after8> avd> yep, totally.......
[03:11] <after8> avd> but one thing, you are root... not advised!!
[03:12] <avd> hehehe i c
[03:12] <avd> i'm root without sudoers lol
[03:13] <`6og> how did you manage? you must *tried* to log in as root
[03:13] <avd> i hate being a normal user :">
[03:14] <avd> is there any security bug if i use this Konv. with root login ? 
[03:14] <avd> btw, i still access my java application
[03:15] <avd> java.security.AccessControlException: access denied (java.awt.AWTPermission accessClipboard)
[03:15] <avd> always appears like that
[03:15] <avd> but running well in windows o/s before i tried this kubuntu
[03:15] <jjesse> why does openoffice always take so long to load?
[03:15] <`6og> jjesse: its big?
[03:16] <avd> jjesse: it's testing your temp bro :)
[03:16] <`6og> avd. and yes, chatting (well, running anything) as root is a security risc
[03:17] <avd> `6og: even i just try this distro, but i trust 1000% 
[03:18] <avd> btw, anybody have same problem like me  with jre ?
[03:18] <avd> AWTPermission, i think this application trying to get something from my hdd but kubuntu reject it. cmiiw
[03:19] <`6og> avd. i trust my toaster not to kill me, because i dont stick a knife in it... get in danger and you willl get screwed :)
[03:19] <mornfall> avd: more like X11
[03:19] <mornfall> avd: running as same user as you are logged in?
[03:19] <avd> `6og: that why i trust 1000% :) 
[03:19] <avd> mornfall: yup
[03:20] <mornfall> avd: weird then
[03:20] <avd> ps axu | grep kdm
[03:20] <avd> root      5993  0.0  0.1   2592   796 ?        Ss   17:02   0:00 /usr/bin/kdm
[03:20] <`6og> avd nice to see such trust :) my you not get screwed over ! :)
[03:20] <mornfall> avd: kdm doesn't matter here
[03:20] <avd> `6og: hehehe i wish also :)
[03:20] <`6og> :)
[03:21] <mornfall> anyone working as root deserves to be screwed badly
[03:21] <mornfall> avd: if you are using sudo to run the java app, it probably is why it doesn't work
[03:21] <athlon> Ive lost the CD icon in my kubuntu desktop (prolly removed it accidentally), how do I re-enable it ? I am talking about the icon that will show up in the desktop if you insert a cd into your puter
[03:22] <avd> mornfall: no, im using konqueror with jre pluggin
[03:22] <avd> `6og: iptables -A INPUT -s 0/0 -d 0/0 -p tcp --dport 6000:6500 -j DROP :)
[03:23] <mornfall> avd: okey, no idea then... it's probably broken :)
[03:23] <mornfall> (no idea what you mean with jre plugin, but *shrug*)
[03:23] <avd> mornfall: yup, im still tryin with uncle google.com :) many people face same problem like me
[03:24] <`6og> avd, i know someone who has to try and fix a debian server... he has managed to extract 6 *MB*  of viruses and trojans from it :o... i have learned not to trust anything more then 75% ;D
[03:24] <avd> mornfall: -- hehehe.. i c
[03:24] <avd> `6og: how come ? but i already put my trust over 999% :)
[03:25] <`6og> avd how come what? :S
[03:25] <avd> # apt-get install mozilla-firefox # uh life so easy
[03:26] <`6og> lol.
[03:26] <`6og> dont you wish you had to go and search for packages ;)
[03:27] <`6og> its so much better */sarcasm*
[03:27] <avd> hehehe
[03:27] <avd> im so pricky today
[03:27] <avd> # apt-get install frozen-bubble # my sis game uh uh
[03:29] <`6og> avd: she has good taste :)
[03:30] <avd> hahaha i will call you my damn bear too if you play that game too :d
[03:30] <`6og> lol. i do when i remember and im not playing gnometriss. i just have problems with the colours, so i cant realy play it :(
[03:31] <rdfm> kubuntu breezy installed right away, worked out of the box, adept installed right away also and has not crashed once on me yet....
[03:31] <rdfm> and I upgraded everything with it
[03:32] <avd> i think you better consult to your doctor `6og :))
[03:32] <mornfall> good boy, rdfm :-)
[03:32] <rdfm> great job kubuntu team :-)
[03:32] <avd> rdfm: that why i put my trust 1000% :)
[03:33] <`6og> avd. im colour blind.. i dont need another visit to tell me ;)
[03:34] <mornfall> what the
[03:34] <after8> what the what mornfall ??
[03:35] <mornfall> after8: that was directed at `6og 
[03:35] <`6og> mornfall: your notthe only one who can throw large stones around :PD
[03:35] <after8> hehe
[03:36] <mornfall> ubotu: lart `6og for blasphemy
[03:36] <mornfall> ubotu: botsnack
[03:36] <ubotu> thanks mornfall :)
[03:36] <mornfall> :-)
[03:36] <`6og> wooo!
[03:37] <mornfall> `6og: i usually have a rationale for dropping stones on people
[03:37] <`6og> lol. yeh....
[03:38] <mornfall> i can't recall that
[03:38] <after8> *stoned*? some ppl are lucky ;)
[03:38] <`6og> i was Kamping_Kaiser yesterday
[03:38] <`6og> after8: :P
[03:38] <after8> earlier today too
[03:38] <avd> sorry guyz got to go
[03:38] <mornfall> `6og: you were giving silly advice
[03:38] <avd> nice 2 meet you 
[03:38] <avd> bye all
[03:38] <`6og> later avd
[03:38] <mornfall> bye bye
[03:39] <avd> heheh forget something
[03:39] <avd> firefox better than konqueror
[03:39] <avd> my java running well in firefox :)
[03:39] <avd> caww
[03:40] <`6og> lol. joined to start a flame war then buggered off
[03:40] <after8> avd w00000t
[03:40] <after8> hehe `6og totally !!!!
[03:40] <`6og> :)
[03:41] <after8> he SO did too...
[03:48] <`6og> !backports
[03:48] <ubotu> Add "deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-backports main universe multiverse restricted" to /etc/apt/sources.list.  More info @ https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBackports
[04:24] <ztonzy> uh
[04:24] <ztonzy> the /umode +CE against irc spam doesn't work
[04:25] <ztonzy> how to deal with it ?
[04:34] <_lucian> hello
[04:34] <`6og> hi
[04:35] <_lucian> all people that chat in this chanel use KUBUNTU?
[04:35] <`6og> nope
[04:35] <apokryphos> _lucian: most probably do
[04:36] <_lucian> so if they do, they can help me if i have problems?
[04:37] <apokryphos> _lucian: they will probably try to, yes :). This is the Kubuntu Help Channel.
[04:37] <`6og> they will help or laugh you out of the chan ;) 
[04:38] <_lucian> i'm pretty sure if i ask the "wrong" question they'll laugh
[04:38] <apokryphos> _lucian: probably  not; we're here to help. =)
[04:38] <_lucian> can you help me install opera?
[04:38] <apokryphos> _lucian: you can download the .deb from their website
[04:39] <laszlok> how do i get kde to update the menus and display newly install programs
[04:39] <apokryphos> they have one for [K] ubuntu
[04:39] <_lucian> when i try to download it, it opens with kate
[04:39] <laszlok> without having to logout
[04:39] <apokryphos> _lucian: heh, it didn't properly detect that it was a deb. Just copy the URL and put  wget http://someurl.com/opera.deb  in Konsole
[04:40] <`6og> konqueror has a right click save as thing doesnt it?
[04:41] <apokryphos> yup
[04:41] <`6og> try that rather then wget :)
[04:43] <_lucian> when i right-click on "Download Opera now" button it doesn't do anythiing
[04:43] <`6og> :(
[04:43] <_lucian> and i don't know the someurl.com/opera.deb
[04:43] <_lucian> to do as you said
[04:44] <apokryphos> one sec
[04:44] <_lucian> I DID IT
[04:45] <apokryphos> oh ok, cool.
[04:45] <_lucian> i don't know how, but this time Konqueror asked me what to do with it: save it or open it!!!
[04:45] <_lucian> so now i have to install it
[04:45] <sproingie> it might be partly their webserver
[04:45] <_lucian> how do i do it
[04:45] <_lucian> ?
[04:45] <sproingie> they might not have a consistent config across their download cluster
[04:45] <sproingie> that or cosmic rays or heat noise in the wire or something ;)
[04:46] <apokryphos> _lucian: dpkg -i opera.deb
[04:46] <_lucian> and i have to be in  the directory that it has been downloaded
[04:47] <apokryphos> yes
[04:47] <_lucian> what's the command to delete a file?
[04:47] <_lucian> i don't wanna look in the book
[04:48] <ndazza> right-click->delete :)
[04:48] <_lucian> ok i'll try that
[04:48] <apokryphos> _lucian: man rm
[04:49] <yrjo> allways use man
[04:49] <_lucian> so rm is what i was looking for???
[04:49] <ndazza> yes
[04:50] <_lucian> how could i use the man pages if i didn't remember what to look for???
[04:50] <ndazza> _lucian: man -k <keyword> will do a keyword search
[04:50] <_lucian> oh, OK
[04:51] <_lucian> i have installed opera, but now i want to put it in the menu. How do i do it?
[04:51] <ndazza> _lucian: did you install it from a .deb?
[04:51] <_lucian> yes
[04:52] <ndazza> hrm it should appear i think
[04:52] <`6og> quick question - does someone know a non graphical way to display memory (real and virual) used by applications?
[04:52] <_lucian> with "dpkg -i opera*.deb"
[04:52] <ndazza> `6og: cat /proc/meminfo
[04:52] <`6og> ndazza: on a per application basis? is it possible?
[04:53] <ndazza> _lucian: menu entries should be updated automatically, i think...
[04:53] <ndazza> `6og: try top
[04:53] <`6og> you may have to log out dont you?
[04:53] <`6og> ndazza: ok thiank
[04:53] <apokryphos> They should, but seems like the current Opera deb doesn't put one in -- nevermind, it's easy to create one
[04:53] <apokryphos> just right-click on the K Menu and go to Menu Editor
[04:53] <ndazza> and he may be right... you used to have to log off, and run update-menus, and some other things
[04:54] <ndazza> grr kaffeine is a stupid stupid program
[05:03] <bayabas> hallo people!
[05:03] <bayabas> nice to be here
[05:03] <bayabas> my first time here
[05:03] <`6og> welcome :)
[05:04] <_lucian> i, finally did it
[05:04] <apokryphos> ndazza: is it running up cpu for you?
[05:04] <_lucian> i never knew what is "Menu Editor"
[05:04] <apokryphos> hi bayabas, good to have you here :)
[05:04] <bayabas> anyway can someone here help me how to connect to undernet
[05:04] <bayabas> thanks
[05:04] <bayabas> :) im lorena
[05:04] <bayabas> :D bayabas is guava
[05:04] <`6og> o_0
[05:05] <_GoRDoN_> Hi
[05:05] <`6og> hi _GoRDoN_
[05:05] <apokryphos> bayabas: the undernet irc server?
[05:05] <bayabas> yup
[05:05] <apokryphos> bayabas: /server irc.undernet.org
[05:06] <ndazza> apokryphos: yeah in the background after i'd closed the window. it doesn't die like a good program
[05:06] <apokryphos> !kaffeineprob
[05:06] <ubotu> I heard kaffeineprob is at http://kudos.berlios.de/kf/kf1.html#probkaffeine
[05:06] <apokryphos> ndazza: that fix seems to generally work
[05:06] <ndazza> apokryphos: thanks
[05:06] <bayabas> wow im connecting now
[05:06] <bayabas> thanks apokyphos
[05:06] <bayabas> :D
[05:07] <apokryphos> np
[05:07] <_GoRDoN_> I'm new with linux so need i internet connection to install programs with atp?
[05:07] <_GoRDoN_> apt
[05:08] <`6og> _GoRDoN_: its recomended
[05:08] <ndazza> _GoRDoN_: yes, unless you have the files locally (for example on the install cd)
[05:10] <_GoRDoN_> Ok. Thanks!
[05:10] <`6og> ndazza: may the force be with you o_0
[05:10] <ndazza> ooh now comes the fun part where i cross my fingers and restart :D
[05:11] <`6og> lol.
[05:13] <apokryphos> ndazza: for kaffeine? You only need to killall kaffeine then restart that
[05:13] <ndazza> apokryphos: nooo for the update to breezy :) i killed kaffeine a while back
[05:13] <ndazza> once i finally realised my load average was almost 2...
[05:13] <apokryphos> oh, right
[05:14] <`6og> only 2 ;)
[05:15] <ndazza> i like it to be under 0.2 hehe
[05:15] <`6og> lol.
[05:15] <`6og> i have only hit 3.
[05:15] <`6og> i head of.....
[05:15] <`6og> ;)
[05:15] <ndazza> i hit 300 once
[05:16] <`6og> heh. yeh. i heard that sort of thing ;)
[05:16] <ndazza> i was playing with forkbombs
[05:16] <`6og> i havent ever tried to force it up that high. maybei should :/
[05:16] <ndazza> load avg 300 was the last thing i saw before my comp froze heh
[05:16] <`6og> lmao
[05:16] <`6og> lol
[05:17] <ndazza> try creating a new account, then run ulimit 200, then type :(){ :|:& };:
[05:17] <ndazza> just remember to save your work first... if u do it wrong you'll be restarting :)
[05:18] <`6og> i have seen that one before :)
[05:18] <ndazza> there's also no real reason you would want to do that of course... unless you enjoy thrashing your poor computer
[05:18] <`6og> and my boxes crashes fast, not slowly
[05:18] <`6og> especialy this one *looks at it*
[05:18] <ndazza> with the ulimit set, it won't take the box down
[05:19] <ndazza> (in theory anyway)
[05:19] <_GoRDoN_> Does anybody know where I can download TeleWell modem drivers?
[05:21] <ndazza> do you know if it's compatible? i'd check the hardware compatibility lists
[05:30] <bayabas> can anyone please help me
[05:30] <bayabas> i have a problem with my printer
[05:30] <danaya> can anyone please help me
[05:30] <danaya> i have a problem with my printer
[05:31] <`6og> danaya: *what* is the problem?
[05:32] <`6og> people cant answer if they dont know what they are up against
[05:32] <danaya> see, my printer is sharp ar-123e
[05:32] <danaya> i cant find a driver for it
[05:32] <danaya> my server is kubuntu
[05:32] <danaya> :(
[05:33] <`6og> try linuxprinting.org and see if its listed
[05:33] <`6og> im avoiding fireing up a browser before i g t bed, or i never will :/
[05:34] <christian> ive a AMD64 an breezy64. But i cant run Skye on it. Problems with libxcursor or whatsoever Who will help me?
[05:35] <christian> skype
[05:35] <`6og> can skype run on 64 bit systems?
[05:35] <christian> Thats the major-question ;-)
[05:35] <christian> Can 32-Bit Software run onto a 64-Bit System?
[05:35] <`6og> :) sorry, i cant answer )
[05:36] <`6og> some of it, usualy not though :D
[05:36] <`6og> not without chroots
[05:36] <christian> chroots?
[05:36] <christian> i am qite new on LINUX ;-)
[05:37] <sproingie> Linux
[05:37] <christian> Skype (32-Soft) on a 64 System. How?
[05:37] <sproingie> it's not an acronym
[05:37] <`6og> i have only been using it properly this year, but have never had to use it (chroots) so i dont know about them
[05:37] <christian> My question is actually another...
[05:38] <`6og> i know. and i cant answer it ;)
[05:38] <`6og> so im going to just chat
[05:38] <christian> ok, thx
[05:41] <lonewolff> hmm, i just upgraded to breezy on my iMac and everyting went well, but when i did it on my laptop i now have a link to /dev/sda on my desktop (like i have a usb device plugged in) but i have nothing plugged in :S
[05:42] <`6og> did you ahve something plugged in?
[05:43] <lonewolff> not since yesterday
[05:43] <lonewolff> there was nothing showing on the desktop before the upgrade
[05:43] <lonewolff> and there is now
[05:43] <lonewolff> (and there is nothing in dmesg about sda)
[05:44] <Budda^windoze> my kde doesn't start, i just get an error msg that tells me that dhcopserver isn#t running,some ideas?
[05:44] <ndazza> lonewolff: plug something in and see what happens? :)
[05:44] <`6og> lonewolff: was there something plugged in while you did the upgrade? IE has something random got into your fstab or similar?
[05:44] <lonewolff> `6og: im looking in fstab now, but nothing was plugged in when i did the upgraqde
[05:44] <`6og> Budda^windoze: no i dont storry
[05:45] <lonewolff> hmm there is an extra entry in the fstab, i shall be deleting that
[05:45] <lonewolff> wonder how that got there
[05:45] <Budda^windoze> is it possible to reinstall just kde?
[05:46] <`6og> Budda^windoze: try 'sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop' or 'sudo apt-get install kde'
[05:47] <Budda^windoze> k
[06:00] <`6og> night all
[06:00] <ndazza> night
[06:01] <yrjo> bye
[06:03] <libben> how do i know if i have something to update. on a easy way?
[06:03] <althea> gensan
[06:04] <alessandra> alessandra
[06:12] <winsux> i 've just  kubuntu but on startx it is giving an error message xinit not found.  please help me
[06:12] <winsux> : i 've just  installed kubuntu but on startx it is giving an error message xinit not found.  please help me
[06:17] <deinde> Hi everyone,I need help
[06:17] <ndazza> deinde: ask, and you may recieve
[06:18] <ndazza> winsux: something's wrong with your installation. xinit is a critical X binary, check to see if it exists in /usr/bin
[06:18] <Budda^windoze> hm reinstalling kde didn't helped
[06:19] <ndazza> Budda^windoze: what's the output of: which xinit
[06:19] <deinde> i don't know how to launch a root prg inserting passw directly from command line
[06:20] <ndazza> deinde: yeah that can't be done, for security
[06:20] <ndazza> deinde: if you need the root account you can try sudo su
[06:21] <deinde> so I have to launch pon, but I'd like to launch it from an icon on desktop, how can i do?
[06:22] <Budda^windoze> ndazza, /usr/bin/X11/xinit
[06:22] <deinde> and why I must be root to connect to my modem?
[06:23] <deinde> ethernet adsl modem
[06:24] <ndazza> deinde: you must be root to connect to your modem because only the administrator account has direct access to the hardware. you should add your user account to the group modem, then change the ownership of the modem device to user root, group modem, then change the permissions to 775
[06:24] <ndazza> something like sudo adduser <user> modem; sudo chown root.modem /dev/<devicefile>; chmod 775 /dev/<devicefile>
[06:24] <ndazza> but i have to go now
[06:24] <ndazza> good luck
[06:24] <ndazza> bye!
[06:26] <deinde> i have not the group modem, could be dialout ?
[06:32] <Black_Monkey> hi, I downloaded the live cd, and I can't get my internet working. I have ntl broadband, and I have an Ethernet->USB cable from my digital box...
[06:42] <froggy25> i have a question
[06:43] <winsux> is there anybody outthere
[06:43] <froggy25> i have a webcam from micro innovations 
[06:43] <froggy25> and i need to configure it 
[06:43] <froggy25> how do i do that
[06:46] <libben> where can i find ircops on freenode?
[07:12] <nael> Salut les gens
[07:12] <m0ns00n> what's adept?
[07:13] <m0ns00n> I think that's good for you :-)
[07:13] <mornfall> not at all
[07:14] <m0ns00n> Then keep it down
[07:21] <nikkia> apokryphos: nope, dead and buried :P
[07:32] <froggy25> can someone please help me
[07:32] <froggy25> i have a really big problem
[07:33] <froggy25> and i need help
[07:35] <BlankB> froggy25: there might be someone here who can help you. You need to ask a question or state your problem. If someone here has any expertise wih what you ask they will respond.
[07:35] <BlankB> If nobody responds it is because they do not know how to help you.
[07:36] <froggy25> i have a micro innovations webcam and i need to know how to configure the webcam onto kubuntu 
[07:37] <froggy25> it is a model IC50C camera
[07:37] <oxus1906> how do i add repositories to my kynaptic
[07:38] <froggy25> but i dont see it listed on the camera peripherals list on kcontrol
[07:38] <oxus1906> aparently my kynaptic is rubbish
[07:38] <froggy25> so i need to configure my webcam
[07:38] <froggy25> someone plz help me
[07:39] <oxus1906> is anyone over here?!
[07:39] <BlankB> !repositories
[07:39] <ubotu> repositories is, like, probably at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto A list of official repositories can be found at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969
[07:41] <oxus1906> but thats for ubuntu (synaptic) and i have kynaptic :S
[07:42] <froggy25> why dont u just use synaptic oxus
[07:42] <froggy25> i use it 
[07:42] <froggy25> and it works fine
[07:42] <oxus1906> i cant get it
[07:42] <BlankB> the list is stored in: /etc/apt/sources.list
[07:42] <oxus1906> well i dont know how to get it
[07:43] <oxus1906> so how do i get synaptic  without using kynaptic
[07:43] <oxus1906> i tried sudo apt-get install synaptic
[07:44] <oxus1906> and i get some libraries errors aparently because thy are stable
[07:45] <oxus1906> in fact my sudo apt-get doesnt work 
[07:45] <oxus1906> i tried it for gaim, synaptic, superkaramba and neither of them works
[07:49] <oxus1906> in fact my sudo apt-get doesnt work 
[07:53] <froggy25> oxus1906:  one word, dude---reinstall 
[07:53] <froggy25> youre system is screwed
[07:53] <froggy25> just reinstall ubuntu and start over
[07:54] <Chousuke> wtf.
[07:54] <froggy25> do what chousuke
[07:55] <Chousuke> Reinstall is very rarely a real solution
[07:55] <Chousuke> if his sudo didn't work, he can just boot into single user mode to fix it.
[07:55] <Chousuke> I once removed my root account ffs. I managed to fix it still.
[07:55] <BlankB> fdisk ...format...reinstall. seems to work for other OS. 8)
[07:56] <Chousuke> BlankB: of course it works.
[07:56] <Chousuke> but it's not a solution at all. :)
[07:56] <BlankB> Really he just needs to fix his /etc/apt/sources.list
[07:56] <Chousuke> ah, it's not even sudo not working?
[07:56] <froggy25> i have reinstalled ubuntu like a dozen time 
[07:56] <Chousuke> hah.
[07:56] <Chousuke> I thought it was something serious :D
[07:56] <froggy25> whatever
[07:57] <Chousuke> froggy25: for no real reason, I bet.
[07:57] <froggy25> yeah
[07:57] <BlankB> is there a url to get a sources.list where we can just havesome do: cd /etc/apt ; wget http://www/sources.list
[07:57] <froggy25> can someone help me with my webcam problem please
[07:57] <Chousuke> Well, it's your choice.
[07:57] <Chousuke> BlankB: not really.
[07:58] <BlankB> froggy25: its a usb webcam right? what does lsusb show.
[07:58] <froggy25> yes its a usb webcam
[07:58] <Chousuke> someone could make a sources.list construction script.
[07:58] <froggy25> what is lsusb
[07:58] <Chousuke> in fact, it's so simple I could do it, but I don't think I will :p
[07:58] <BlankB> chousuke: hmm...I may set one up.
[07:59] <BlankB> froggy25: from a shell type: lsusb
[07:59] <froggy25> ok
[07:59] <BlankB> it will show you which devices are connect via usb.
[07:59] <Chousuke> BlankB: make it handle local mirrors and different repos. :)
[07:59] <froggy25> bus 004 says Alcor micro corp.
[07:59] <BlankB> If you are compelled to paste do it here: http://blankb.pastebin.com/
[07:59] <BlankB> what are the hex #s for that line?
[08:00] <froggy25> 058f:9360
[08:00] <froggy25> and the other says Sunplus Technology Co., Ltd
[08:01] <froggy25> and the hex #s for that is: 04fc:0561 
[08:01] <SpudULike> Hi room. Can anyone help by telling me how to manually add a nameserver address to resolv.conf using the resolver utility?
[08:01] <BlankB> I dont see those anywhere under hotplug. the 58f:9360
[08:01] <froggy25> so is it hooked up right or what blankb
[08:01] <froggy25> so its not hooked up right 
[08:01] <froggy25> what about 4fc
[08:02] <froggy25> thats on the other bus
[08:02] <froggy25> BlankB:  thats not it
[08:03] <froggy25> Bus 002 Device 002: ID 04fc:0561 Sunplus Technology Co., Ltd
[08:03] <froggy25> this is what the bus 002 for the camera says
[08:04] <froggy25> so am i hooked up right, BlankB
[08:04] <BlankB> grep -riB1 "04fc" /etc/hotplug/*
[08:04] <BlankB> yes you are hooked up right but hotplug does not recognize it as a valid device.
[08:05] <froggy25> so im susposed to input that line to get it to work
[08:05] <BlankB> nope....that was just to show you how I was looking for it.
[08:05] <froggy25> ok
[08:05] <froggy25> what should i do
[08:05] <froggy25> then
[08:05] <froggy25> to make it work
[08:06] <BlankB> dunno...It is possible that here is no support for it. I would have to google to find that out.
[08:07] <BlankB> here is the google search i am using: (ubuntu | kubuntu) 04fc:0561
[08:08] <rem_> spud dunno with the utility. But otherwise open terminal and add ure server in the /etc/resolv.conf file with vi or any other editor .. (sudo or su of course..)
[08:08] <froggy25> i input that line you typed 
[08:08] <froggy25> the grep line
[08:08] <froggy25> and this is what i got
[08:08] <froggy25> can i paste it here
[08:08] <froggy25> or what
[08:08] <BlankB> nope. use 
[08:08] <BlankB> http://blankb.pastebin.com/
[08:09] <froggy25> did you get that
[08:10] <BlankB> yep...i dont see your camera in there..plus the google search i did was un-fruitful.
[08:11] <froggy25> try this link: http://mxhaard.free.fr/spca5xx.html
[08:11] <froggy25> and search the list
[08:11] <froggy25> my camera is in there
[08:12] <froggy25> which one of those drivers would i need
[08:13] <BlankB> according to that chart you need: spca5xx 
[08:14] <froggy25> ok
[08:14] <froggy25> after i install that would it pick my camera up 
[08:14] <BlankB> locate -i spca5
[08:15] <froggy25> i have it on here already
[08:15] <froggy25> /usr/lib/gphoto2/2.1.5/libgphoto2_spca50x.so
[08:16] <BlankB> great now the next step I dont know what to do. I have never used a webcam. I assume if you added the right lines to the hotplug config it would work.
[08:16] <froggy25> hotplug config
[08:16] <froggy25> where is that at
[08:17] <BlankB> not sure.. I need to run but hopefully ive given you enough info to look it up. I should be back in a few hours. If I see you let me know how it went.
[08:17] <froggy25> ok
[08:17] <froggy25> thanks
[08:24] <mcp_dk> hey all
[08:25] <mcp_dk> i seem to have some problems using my Compact Flash disk in a Usb 8-in-1 cardreader in Kubuntu.
[08:25] <mcp_dk> it simple doesn't recognise it when i plug it in
[08:25] <MarcC-away> funny, my 8-in-1 works fine with CF
[08:25] <MarcC-away> which version of KDE?
[08:25] <mcp_dk> i have no problem with other usb falsh disk
[08:26] <mcp_dk> odd. Du you plug it in directly or use an extenstion
[08:26] <MarcC-away> I plug it directly into the faceplate
[08:26] <MarcC-away> which KDE version? 3.4.2?
[08:26] <mcp_dk> maybe that could be it. How do i see which version of KDE i use ?
[08:27] <MarcC-away> open the control center, it will tell you on the opening page
[08:27] <mcp_dk> 3.4.0
[08:27] <MarcC-away> ah.
[08:27] <MarcC-away> try upgrading to 3.4.2
[08:28] <MarcC-away> http://kubuntu.org/hoary-kde-342.php
[08:28] <mcp_dk> cool i will check it out.
[08:52] <foodcoman> Anyone having luck browsing Windows Domain in Breezy?
[08:52] <foodcoman> I can Browse machines I specify but not any workgroups.
[08:53] <foodcoman> Seems like the Domain does not want to stick on the system settings manager for network
[09:15] <MikeStyle> Hi, I'm trying to install something from source, but it says i need Glib 2.0+. I check Synaptic and i have 1.2 and 2.0 installed, but Im afraid to remove 1.2 because of all it says it will get rid of...
[09:18] <Tm_T> you do have Glib devel package?
[09:18] <JeffAMcGee> You need to install libglib2.0-dev
[09:18] <MikeStyle> It's already there...
[09:20] <Tm_T> err
[09:20] <Tm_T> what wqas that?!
[09:22] <JeffAMcGee> hmm...
[09:28] <Tm_T> "help me" and /part
[09:28] <Tm_T> \o/
[09:32] <Lichte> Will amarok 1.3.x make it into breezy, or are we stuck with 1.2.x for 6 months ?
[09:35] <douglas> I'm having a problem with a share that I have set up. I have a server with an extra drive that I want everyone on the network to be able to read and write to without trouble and without a user and pass. And right now on my regular box I have to use sudo konqueror to be able to write to it. How do I fix this so that anyone can write to it from any machine at any time?
[09:35] <apokryphos> Lichte: it will make it in, most likely.
[09:35] <Lichte> apokryphos: that's good
[09:35] <transgress> douglas: chmod 777 /drive maybe?
[09:36] <douglas> from the server?
[09:36] <transgress> i suppose so yes
[09:36] <douglas> should I do the folder it's mounted to, or the physical device?
[09:37] <transgress> folder it's mounted to... i think that'll work... i am not good with nfs though so i could be wrong
[09:38] <douglas> k
[09:38] <douglas> thanks
[09:38] <douglas> is there any way to do it from smb.conf or fstab?
[09:42] <Lichte> every day there is a new version of xorg and fonts in breezy
[09:45] <Lichte> I won't update today ;)
[09:50] <Aapzak> good evening room
[09:51] <Aapzak> who was the guy advising me to buy Ralink ? :)
[09:59] <libben> anyone can help me install the newest java from their site? 
[10:07] <libben> lol
[10:07] <libben> 192 mb of updates
[10:07] <libben> =)
[10:07] <libben> nice
[10:07] <libben> synaptic roxs
[10:09] <JRe> adept rocks =)
[10:11] <foodcoman> Adept have some good courses?
[10:12] <apokryphos> foodcoman: courses?
[10:13] <foodcoman> http://sourceforge.net/projects/adept/  <-- Must be something different.
[10:13] <foodcoman> "<JRe> adept rocks =)"
[10:14] <foodcoman> Seems like a dead project, 2001
[10:14] <apokryphos> foodcoman: hah, that is something different indeed
[10:14] <JRe> this one:http://web.ekhis.org/adept.html
[10:14] <apokryphos> that's it
[10:14] <apokryphos> !adept
[10:14] <ubotu> Adept (successor of Kapture) is a package manager for Kubuntu. See http://web.ekhis.org/adept.html
[10:15] <foodcoman> Good stuff.  Worth leaving Apt-get behind?
[10:16] <JRe> foodcoman: it worth testing without doubts
[10:16] <apokryphos> Depends. GUI front-ends have many advantages, of course. A distro pretty much *has* to have one; necessity, especially for new users.
[10:17] <mornfall> and then bedtime, night folks :)
[10:18] <apokryphos> 'night mornfall
[10:20] <foodcoman> apokryphos: I assume that you can use both. Adept and Apt.
[10:21] <apokryphos> Why, of course. =) I have five packagers here (including apt, that is). 
[10:22] <foodcoman> Just added the rep... to sources.
[10:22] <Futal> Hello folks! I'm testing Breezy, is it the right place to report some problematic or less problematic points?
[10:22] <JRe> Futal: yes
[10:23] <JRe> Futal: even more if you use Kubuntu =)
[10:23] <foodcoman> True that!
[10:23] <Futal> ok, I'll try to resume cause I've 2 pages of notes (oh yeah, I use Kubuntu)
[10:25] <Futal> 1) Some prgs have no icons (KThesaurus), some are only in small version (especially Koffice)
[10:25] <Futal> is it worth bugs report?
[10:27] <Futal> 2) after (French) translation, amaroK become AmaroK!
[10:27] <JRe> =)
[10:27] <JRe> right!
[10:28] <Futal> 3) I have a 1280x800 screen, the KSplash screen is ugly (already in Hoary) whereas the Kdm background is nicely reasterized (it is the same)
[10:28] <foodcoman> Adept has an interesting/refreshing interface.
[10:30] <foodcoman> Its faster at parsing the list of applications also it seems.
[10:30] <JRe> Futal: in fact KThesaurus does not have already an official icon
[10:31] <JRe> so it has default one
[10:31] <JRe> foodcoman: yeah Adept interface is really neat
[10:33] <foodcoman> Yeah I see some quirks, based on useability, but really some potential.
[10:33] <froggy25> i cant configure my webcam
[10:34] <froggy25> help
[10:34] <Tm_T> froggy25: what kind of configuration you need?
[10:35] <froggy25> i have a micro innovations IC50C webcam and its not on the list of webcams on the cameras section in kcontrol
[10:35] <froggy25> how do i add that to the list
[10:35] <Tm_T> humm
[10:36] <Futal> 4) System Settings (great that it now works): in Fonts installer, file size is sorted by alphabetic order and not smaller to greater; Network settings: the platform is not supported, I have to choose Ubuntu manually in a list
[10:36] <Tm_T> you know, there's one reason why I thought to buy Logitech or Creative webcam: support
[10:36] <froggy25> ok
[10:36] <froggy25> so this webcam isnt gonna work on here
[10:36] <Tm_T> well, I can't help, maybe someone can
[10:39] <wildman> hello kubuntuers
[10:39] <wildman> just testing kubuntu and its pgms here, might switch to it... so far, so good
[10:40] <Tm_T> wildman: good?!
[10:40] <Tm_T> best ;)
[10:41] <foodcoman> Lots of momentum behind K/ubuntu.  I like what I am seeing.  Was a Mandrake user prior to Mandrivel.
[10:41] <foodcoman> Package management is awesome in comparison.
[10:41] <wildman> Tm_T: well... I hope so :)
[10:41] <wildman> foodcoman: u didn't like urpmi?
[10:41] <Futal> Well well, quite stupid this froggy25, asking a question and living 2 minutes after! and his webcam is listed in the webcam howto as early development...
[10:42] <wildman> foodcoman: urpmi --auto pkg_nameis VERY automatic
[10:42] <wildman> foodcoman: urpmi --auto pkg_name is VERY automatic (sorry, forgot the space)
[10:42] <Tm_T> Futal: typical, sad though :/
[10:42] <foodcoman> I think Apt does a nice job.
[10:42] <foodcoman> Especially with fixing pkg problems.
[10:44] <foodcoman> I have had better luck with the Repositories over the mandrake ones also!
[10:45] <wildman> foodcoman: well... it usually depends on one's experience... I've never, ever had pbs with urpmi/rpmdrake
[10:46] <wildman> foodcoman: but I won't make more Mandriva propaganda... cuz it's not ethic ;)
[10:46] <foodcoman> True that, I wont tear it down.  They are all better than I could program!    =)
[10:47] <wildman> tip: I'm a former Mandriva (when it was Mandrakesoft) employee and now I'm a Mandriva provider. Won't tip more ;)
[10:47] <foodcoman> That explains it!  (wink) (Nod)
[10:47] <wildman> evaluating Kubuntu cuz I'm getting more and more pissed off with every Mandriva release... (so far, all my evaluations 'failed' and I went back to Mandriva)
[10:47] <foodcoman> Hope you enjoy your Kubuntu experience.  I have.
[10:47] <wildman> so far, so good ;)
[10:47] <crimsun> heh, there's always SUSE 10 ;)
[10:48] <wildman> not yet :)
[10:48] <foodcoman> MD has some strong point like any distro. Wont knock that.
[10:48] <nikkia> foodcoman: even linspire has some strong points :O
[10:48] <foodcoman> I sure like the community with the Deb underpinings.
[10:48] <foodcoman> hahahaha
[10:48] <wildman> they all do, bottom line: use the best tool for the job, at least we have diversity... not available on other 'well-known' OS
[10:49] <foodcoman> Amen Brother.
[10:49] <apokryphos> nikkia: hi :)
[10:50] <foodcoman> Page hit http://distrowatch.com/
[10:50] <nikkia> foodcoman: seriously, linspire is taking audio seriously, which gives them a step up above the rest of the mainstreams (discounting demudi, ccrma  as they're not mainstream) atm
[10:50] <foodcoman> Ubuntu on the top for frequency.
[10:51] <Futal> I have a few other small pbs such as round corners of selected names are not rasterized... and a few questions
[10:51] <wildman> see you later ppl, enjoy!
[10:51] <Futal> do I have to fill bug reports for such small pbs?
[10:52] <nikkia> futal, getting the font AA settings just right, can be tricky
[10:52] <nikkia> and not all fonts take equally well to being AA'ed
[10:52] <nikkia> its a bit of trial and error, really
[10:52] <haui> hallo
[10:52] <Futal> seem not related to fonts
[10:52] <foodcoman> There are niches that I think each target.....Games, Audio, video, administration, server platform........   I love that kind of diversity!
[10:52] <Futal> it is the square corners
[10:53] <nikkia> foodcoman: audio is a particular bugbear for most distros
[10:53] <nikkia> foodcoman: the linspire approach is the 'right' approach, but its going to take time for everyone else to wake up :/
[10:54] <foodcoman> Arts has been a bit of an issue eh?
[10:54] <foodcoman> =)
[10:54] <dumb> how can I ssh to my machine?
[10:54] <Futal> another question: why keeping konversation while kopete handle also irc?
[10:54] <dumb> I installed breezy
[10:55] <dumb> is ssh is disabled by default
[10:55] <nikkia> futal, because kopete handles irc badly :)
[10:55] <foodcoman> I like the page hits rating for ubuntu on distrowatch.org
[10:55] <nikkia> futal, although i personally prefer kvirc over the other options anyway
[10:55] <Futal> dumb: ssh localhost
[10:55] <dumb> ssh: connect to host localhost port 22: Connection refused
[10:56] <dumb> what's wrong with me?!!
[10:56] <Futal> dumb: sorry, I misunderstood your first sentence
[10:56] <nikkia> dumb, by default, only the ssh *client* is installed
[10:56] <nikkia> dumb, find 'openssh-server' in the package manager
[10:56] <gambix> hi
[10:56] <gambix> where can i find the kdmrc file ?
[10:56] <nikkia> !info openssh-server
[10:56] <ubotu> openssh-server: (Secure shell server, an rshd replacement), section net, is optional. Version: 1:3.9p1-1ubuntu2 (hoary), Packaged size: 253 kB, Installed size: 608 kB
[10:57] <apokryphos> gambix: /etc/kde3/kdm/
[10:58] <nikkia> apokryphos: your msgs aren't working, because private messages are blocked from unregged users by default now
[10:58] <nikkia> or, perhaps its my messages
[10:58] <apokryphos> was just about to ask
[10:59] <apokryphos> I'm identified
[10:59] <nikkia> did either of those privs get thru ?
[11:05] <dumb> thanks
[11:06] <dumb> btw I prefer to have it installed by default ;)
[11:08] <foodcoman> I sure would like to seen this channel catch up with ubuntu as to how many people are in it.  Gnome must be more popular.
[11:08] <foodcoman> Dont hate me.  I am a KDE user.
[11:09] <Tm_T> it's just "default", not more popular ;)
[11:09] <nikkia> foodcoman: the issue is, ubuntu is a superset of gnome and kde users
[11:09] <nikkia> foodcoman: so its only natural that it has more users, some of whom may be using kubuntu and not know of this channel, some that are using KDE without installing kubuntu, etc
[11:10] <foodcoman> nikkia: I could see that always ubuntu would have more users then!  Fair enough.  Its the core.
[11:10] <lonewolff> and some may be there as suggested for help with issues realting to the base system instead of gnome or kde
[11:10] <lonewolff> as it suggests on the kubuntu website
[11:10] <nikkia> lonewolff: exactly
[11:10] <foodcoman> You guys are all over it.
[11:11] <foodcoman> Thats why I try and listen to the Leet.
[11:11] <foodcoman> =)
[11:11] <hon> btw can we as users be sure that ubuntu doesn't turn into another redhat (gnome head quarters)?
[11:11] <hon> (k)ubuntu, that is
[11:13] <foodcoman> Any of you play with PPTPconfig for VPN to Winblows PPTP?
[11:13] <foodcoman> I thought the Kubuntu Kernel had MPPE support compiled in.
[11:14] <hon> I have liked the pace of (k)ubuntu, but the only issue that makes me worried is the possibility of turning into another gnome-hq distro after a while
[11:15] <hon> is there any thing we can sure of in this matter?
[11:15] <foodcoman> Well it seems that the KDE team has been faster at the releases of late, so hopefully that wont happen.
[11:16] <foodcoman> Someone was saying breezy preview (Kubuntu) was ready before the Gnome!
[11:17] <Tm_T> =)
[11:17] <apokryphos> Kubu Hoary was ready before Ubuntu as I recall. :)
[11:17] <hon> yeah I know that. but what happens if the ubuntu decision makers stop hiring Riddell after a while?
[11:18] <apokryphos> hon: we trash their houses. :)
[11:18] <apokryphos> and raise hell 8)
[11:18] <foodcoman> Bwuahahaha!
[11:18] <Tm_T> we hire riddell ;)
[11:18] <hon> no, seriously
[11:18] <Riddell> hon: same thing as before they hired me, I do it anyway
[11:19] <amu> we all use debian-sid in this case :)
[11:19] <Tm_T> Riddell: :)
[11:19] <hon> Thank Riddell. Very happy to hear that :)
[11:20] <foodcoman> I wish wildman didnt leave.  I would like to see him become a convert.
[11:20] <foodcoman> I came from Mandriva to Kubuntu and I have really enjoyed it.
[11:21] <hon> I really enjoy kubuntu now. I am just trying to make my decisions for the future
[11:23] <hon> question: how are the kubuntu artworks being made?
[11:24] <Futal> I also came from Mandriva: I like the look, the only kde|needed progs, but hoary was far behind mandriva for installation and config
[11:24] <foodcoman> Did the Wiki of the artwork speak at all about it?
[11:25] <Futal> foodman: havent read about anything like that
[11:25] <Futal> only collection of official pictures
[11:26] <Futal> but you should take a look to vector graphic prgs
[11:26] <foodcoman> Riddle/KDE are the tag for the page.  Must be mostly user contribution with a little Default package stuff.
[11:27] <amu> ARG /me tried SuSE 10.0 RC1 on ppc their installation is broken, breezy never was :)
[11:27] <foodcoman> Mandriva wanted subscription for their security patches for thier automated update server (Mandrake Club)
[11:28] <foodcoman> They started down the old Value added services and the Forums where funky.
[11:28] <hon> doesn't "katapult" have an option not to be shown in the system tray?!!
[11:30] <hon> I think having katapult run is a good thing only when it doesn't occupy any space in the systray. it should behave like minicli (yeah I know minicli is already embedded in the desktop)
[11:35] <_ubuntu> hi all
[11:35] <hon> oh! sorry! silly me didn't read the bug/wish lists for katapult
[11:37] <othomas> well, breezy live works fine..will it work if i do the install as well?
[11:38] <othernoob> othomas: why shouldn't it?
[11:39] <othomas> lol, i have had that happen is all...not with ubuntu or kubuntu..
[11:40] <othomas> this is live breezy, i have hoary installed
[11:41] <lonewolff> othomas: so far today i have dist-upgraded 3 boxes to breezy from hoary without any problems
[11:41] <othernoob> I'd imagine that it'd work installed just as good as live..
[11:41] <lonewolff> 2 x86 and one ppc
[11:41] <othernoob> btw, when can one order ubuntu breezy cds again?
[11:42] <lonewolff> othernoob: i think they are available to order now, but wont be shipped untill after the release
[11:42] <othomas> tnx lonewolf
[11:42] <othernoob> well, not quite, on shipit.ubuntu.com it says that it's closed at the moment..
[11:46] <_root> hello
[11:46] <_root> hello
[11:48] <darksoul> were do i get new games for ubuntu KDE
[11:49] <foodcoman> Make sure you have an updated rep list.
[11:50] <foodcoman> Also.... sec.
[11:50] <darksoul> k
[11:50] <foodcoman> Check out this thread.
[11:50] <foodcoman> http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=53
[11:51] <darksoul> thks
[11:51] <foodcoman> Sure!
[11:51] <foodcoman> You can also play Winblows games with Wine or Wine or variants like Cedega(subscription).
[11:52] <foodcoman> Guess he wont see the latter.
[11:53] <othernoob> foodcoman: why do you hate windows?
[11:56] <foodcoman> othernoob: I know windows better than linux by far.
[11:57] <foodcoman> othernoob: I prefer a world community colaberation rather than corporate greed!
[11:58] <othomas> foodcoman: after 20 years of doing windows stuff, it is so NICE to be away from it
[11:58] <othernoob> foodcoman: mmh, so you also hate Zeta then?
[11:58] <foodcoman> othernoob: I came through all windows versions and still do administration on it.  I administrate 5 windows servers and 75 workstations
[11:58] <libben> I think the other way around, i know everything of windows. now its linux turn.
[11:59] <othernoob> foodcoman: and in fact, pretty much any unix flavour..
[11:59] <libben> Done win 1.0 , win 1.1, 3.1, 95, 98, me, 2000, xp.
[11:59] <libben> anyone here wanna go thru the steps of getting java working ?
[12:00] <foodcoman> othernoob: I dont know what Zeta is.... I however like the benefits of the unix platforms that have manifest and proved themselves over the years.
[12:00] <Futal> personally, I hate Microsoft because they achieve to have the manufacturer breaking the law in France at the expense of consumers and the government to watch this passively
[12:00] <foodcoman> libben: I havent tweeked from the base breezy install.
[12:01] <foodcoman> Windows is easy, linux is my next challenge, and I like the idea of the whole open source approach.  Its not greed based.  It doesnt suppress innovation like IP is.