[12:47] night all [12:48] night [01:15] kiko? [01:16] nite me too [01:24] night sabdfl [01:24] sabdfl: see you tomorrow === camilotelles [n=Camilo@20132139198.user.veloxzone.com.br] has joined #launchpad [01:43] jordi, darn. wanted to talk to you === bradb [n=bradb@modemcable033.209-70-69.mc.videotron.ca] has left #launchpad [] === stub [n=stub@203-214-4-72.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #launchpad === Nafallo_ [i=nafallo@unaffiliated/nafallo] has joined #launchpad === salgado [n=salgado@201-1-132-73.dsl.telesp.net.br] has joined #launchpad === Nafallo_ is now known as Nafallo [04:25] spiv: I've added a branch to your queue, If you can, I'd appreciate a first review of the two so-far unreviewed branches I have in your queue [04:26] Ok. [04:26] spiv: thanks dude, you're a star [04:26] it's now 03:26 and I need to be up at 06:45 so I'm off to bed [04:26] ciao [04:26] Ouch. [04:26] Sleep well (and fast!) [04:26] thanks dude [04:26] ciao === stub [n=stub@203-214-4-72.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #launchpad [05:16] Merge to rocketfuel@canonical.com/launchpad--devel--0: Lots of small fixes suggested by people who tried shipit since it reached staging. r=kiko (patch-2413: guilherme.salgado@canonical.com) === robitaille [n=robitail@d154-5-117-228.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #launchpad === tiago_ [n=TiagoBug@201008224067.user.veloxzone.com.br] has joined #launchpad [06:45] hello people. i have just joined launchpad.net to help with brazilian portuguese translation. but how can i do this gpg thing?? can someone help me? [06:46] tiago_: You don't need to worry about gpg to do the translation; if you've got that far you've signed up. [06:47] well, ok then. I will start some work by now. [06:47] thanks spiv! :) === Znarl [i=karl@bb-82-108-14-161.ukonline.co.uk] has joined #launchpad === interalia [n=interali@adsl-60-232.swiftdsl.com.au] has joined #launchpad [08:33] Merge to rocketfuel@canonical.com/launchpad--production--1.32: Cherry pick patch-2413 into production (patch-4: guilherme.salgado@canonical.com, stuart.bishop@canonical.com, rocketfuel@canonical.com) [08:40] morning [08:41] yo [08:54] did you try out the new servertest code? [08:55] Morning all [08:58] Nope [09:00] if it doesn't work this time, i'll have to actually stop the socket from listening altogether when there's too many tasks pending. [09:00] right now, it accepts then immediately rejects before any writes or reads [09:00] that might be not good enough [09:06] Server value [09:06] Specify for how long Pound will wait for a server response. [09:06] After this long has passed without the server sending any data [09:06] Pound will consider the response finished and abort the connec [09:06] tion. A value of 0 (default) implies waiting forever. Set it [09:06] higher if your server(s) occasionally time-out on a slow network [09:06] or are over-loaded. [09:07] hmmm... but will launchpad still try to do the work? [09:07] perhaps not, if pound's end of the connection is broken [09:07] I suspect it will - Z3 won't notice the connection was dropped until it tries to send the reply. [09:08] Argh - you are distracting me! [09:08] from? === sabdfl [n=mark@217.205.109.249] has joined #launchpad [09:20] howdy all [09:21] hey [09:21] jamesh: ping [09:22] SteveA: Research on table statistics [09:22] morning [09:24] sabdfl: pong. [09:24] I'm looking at your branch (among other things) [09:24] jamesh: cool, thanks, am hoping to land today with your comments === Keybuk [n=scott@217.205.109.249] has joined #launchpad [10:07] SteveA: With the server test, Pound reports a (customizable) 500 error to the client when your server drops the connection. [10:08] is that good enough? [10:08] SteveA: Which is exactly the same as your first test server ;) [10:08] oh [10:08] darn [10:08] so, i think i'll have to make it actually stop the socket listening. [10:08] i'll do some more experimentation later on today. [10:09] Yes. Otherwise Pound won't flag the server as down and will keep sending requests to it. [10:09] ok [10:09] jamesh: how's the max request length thing going? [10:09] I'm not sure if it is really worth spending too much time on - so far, if one of our servers has locked like this the otherone does the same shortly afterwards. So the 500 could be fine for the time being. [10:13] i think i know where to hook this in now [10:13] so, let's have one more try, and then use the best approach so far === dand [n=dand@gw.datagroup.ro] has joined #launchpad [10:43] jordi, ping === mdke [n=matt@unaffiliated/mdke] has joined #launchpad [10:48] Burgundavia: pong [10:49] jordi, do you have any ideas about translating screenshots and how to make that easy? [10:50] Burgundavia: yeah [10:50] http://live.gnome.org/ReleaseNotes_2fTranslating [10:55] Morning all [10:56] jordi, I have another quick question for you if you dont mind :/ sorry to bug you all the time [10:56] mdke: no probs [10:57] jordi, i've had an email from a persian guy who says in order to translate his language properly he needs to set the document as "rtl" [10:57] jordi, he wants to have the document as html directly so that he can do this, do you know if there is another solution so that he can translate in rosetta and we can still get xml back at the end of it? [10:58] mdke: I can't see why he'd need to do this. Why can't he do po->xml and then let xml renderers do the rtl thing? [10:58] i don't know how it works [10:58] jordi, is it ok if I cc: you into the email correspondence? [10:58] he basically wants text to flow from right to left, like in hebrew, arabic... [10:58] mdke: sure [11:00] Kinnison: hey daniel , 'sup? [11:00] hey sivang. Not much, working hard on 2h30m of sleep :-) [11:01] jordi, thanks yet again === WaterSevenUb [n=WaterSev@azevedo.astro.up.pt] has joined #launchpad [11:02] spiv: What is the rationale for __metaclass__ = type vs. inherit-from-object ? [11:06] Kinnison: One is consistency with all our other code. The other is that this way you can't accidentally forget to inherit from object, then spend an hour wondering why @property silently doesn't work. [11:06] hmm [11:06] doesn't forgetting that __metaclass__ declaration have the same problem? [11:06] spiv: I see [11:07] spiv: It's just the most confusing of the coding requirements we have from my PoV :-) [11:08] bob2: Yes, but that shouldn't happen, because all new python files should start their life with the contents of standard_template.py ;) [11:08] bob2: And it's only one line to remember, rather than on every single class declaration. [11:08] ah, heh [11:08] true [11:09] Kinnison: There are arguments the other way, but the main thing at this stage is that we've made that decision, it's worked well for us so far, and consistency is important :) === Kinnison nods === Kinnison will try and remember it [11:10] is there a test for this? ;) [11:10] I'm just an object-pascal programmer at heart, so the idea that you always need something to inherit from makes sense to me, and that if you have nothing better you inherit from object makes sense to me [11:10] Just try to get in the habit of doing :r standard_template.py when you start a new python file ;) [11:10] spiv: -ESYNTAX [11:11] Or whatever the elisp equivalent may be. [11:11] Kinnison: read a file into the current buffer [11:11] lifeless: aah, gotcha [11:11] without changing the buffers identity [11:12] :help :r ;) [11:12] M-x insert-file RET /path/to/standard_template.py RET [11:12] :-) [11:12] Or C-x i /path/to/standard_template.py RET [11:12] see, emacs is easier [11:12] honest [11:12] kiko-zzz: whenever you're up, I'm around === lifeless uncrosses his fingers === Kinnison slowly uncrosses his eyes === Virtuall[BZA] [n=virtuall@off.lv] has joined #launchpad [12:22] lifeless: ipython is love , I'm now using it solely to workout and self explore the core api and selected sysprogramming modules :=) === Kinnison sighs === Kinnison can no longer type 'slave' without typing 'shave^Wsha^H^Hlave' :-( [12:22] my body is rebelling against my unruly facial hair === camilotelles [n=Camilo@20132139198.user.veloxzone.com.br] has joined #launchpad [12:22] what time is today's meeting? [12:22] /topic | espgrep meeting [12:22] Developers' meeting, Thursday 15 Sep, 12:00 UTC [12:24] err, woops. Thanks === Seveas [n=seveas@ksl403-uva-132.wireless.uva.nl] has joined #launchpad === terrex [n=terrex@84-122-83-29.onocable.ono.com] has joined #launchpad [01:00] spiv: Any word on the Release stuff? === ddaa [n=ddaa@marvin.xlii.org] has joined #launchpad === Kinnison hopes it was an easy review to do === Kinnison even remembered to under_scrot his variables [01:00] Kinnison: Just got back from dinner, doing it now. [01:01] spiv: oh right, sorry, didn't mean to interrupt your food === Kinnison reliably forgets timezones :-) [01:06] is LP completely written in python? [01:07] The main app is, yes [01:07] Some bits of the subsystems are in shell [01:08] Plus a makefile ;) [01:08] If you want to be really complete. [01:09] segfault: LP uses various libraries and infrastructure that is mostly python. there is some C. === niemeyer [n=niemeyer@217.205.109.249] has joined #launchpad === stub [n=stub@203-214-4-72.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #launchpad === stub [n=stub@203-214-4-72.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #launchpad [01:27] for making the web interface, what does it use? i mean, what python libs [01:28] lots of them really [01:28] Erm, pytz, pyme, zope, pygettextpo, and more [01:28] Bom dia! :) [01:28] oi niemeyer. [01:31] SteveA: should I post my time notes as separate days, or all in one? [01:31] activity reporting? [01:31] separate days [01:31] aye [01:31] okies [01:31] launchpad meeting in about half an hour [01:31] /msg me items [01:32] so, it mainly uses zope for presentation stuff. [01:33] it uses zope3 for the web application [01:33] the security infrastructure, and the component architecture === jinty [n=jinty@205.134.224.215] has joined #launchpad [01:36] Kinnison: do you use the Zope auto presentation capabilites or control yourselfs how LP displays data, fields, classes ? [01:36] I don't have a clue === Kinnison is a backend person [01:36] we use the zope widget and forms stuff quite a bit [01:36] Publisher Release file support, spotted and fixed Source related bug [01:36] so that Release files build properly. Successfully build an archive [01:36] with proper Source and Release files (alongside correct Packages and [01:36] correct d-i files) against the entire dogfood archive. [01:36] 8h + 3h after pub [01:36] oh pants [01:36] sorry === Kinnison kicks shift+insert [01:36] hehe [01:37] pity it wasn't 3h at pub [01:37] bob2: pub didn't have wireless [01:37] bob2: plus, pub had beer, which was infinitely more inviting than three hours of coding in python [01:37] true, true [01:37] There was a beer called "Holy Bones" [01:38] so I had a half-pint of it and the barman handed me the drink and said "One holy metatarsal" === Kinnison hugs geeky pubs [01:38] haha [01:38] ely or cambridge? [01:38] Kinnison: are you sure? =) [01:38] bob2: cambridge [01:39] sivang: sure about what? [01:39] Kinnison: 13:37 < Kinnison> bob2: plus, pub had beer, which was infinitely more inviting than three hours of coding in python [01:39] sivang: quite sure. Beer == nice comfortable mental state. Python == headaches [01:40] Kinnison: hehe [01:40] python + beer = fun [01:40] lua vs beer would be a tougher one, i'd bet [01:40] segfault: https://wiki.launchpad.canonical.com/LaunchpadTechnologyOverview <== maybe this will help you [01:40] SteveA: python + beer = System error :) [01:40] jordi: AH AH [01:41] you need to get some eggs in there somehow [01:41] launchpad meeting in 20 mins, /msg me special agenda items. [01:41] maybe floating in the beer [01:41] bob2: what a repellant thought [01:41] Merge to rocketfuel@canonical.com/launchpad--devel--0: Buildd slave chroot tool. r=spiv (patch-2414: daniel.silverstone@canonical.com) [01:42] bob2: why eggs? [01:42] sivang: nice, thanks. [01:42] eggs have a long and fabled history [01:42] as well as being zope hacking fuel [01:43] bob2: couldn't be worse than a pie floater [01:43] bob2: the way I was feeling last night, beer won over lua [01:43] http://www.lard.net/pie1.jpg [01:43] Kinnison: ah :/ [01:43] bob2: Of course, my idea of beer is one half-pint over three hours [01:44] bob2: and then some ginger beer afterwards === Kinnison isn't a big drinker [01:44] jamesh: I've always said WA should just secede [01:44] Kinnison: yummay [01:44] bob2: pie floaters aren't western australian [01:44] quokka floater! [01:44] I think they're south australian [01:49] T-10 minutes. take a workrave now. [01:49] jamesh: what is this pie floater? what is it made of? === mpt [n=mpt@201-1-132-73.dsl.telesp.net.br] has joined #launchpad === cprov [n=cprov@200-171-140-32.dsl.telesp.net.br] has joined #launchpad [01:57] hi mpt, cprov. /msg me agenda items. === bradb [n=bradb@modemcable033.209-70-69.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #launchpad [01:57] sivang: (1) take a bowl of green pea soup, (2) float a meat pie in it and (3) add tomato sauce [01:58] SteveA: ok === salgado [n=salgado@200-171-140-32.dsl.telesp.net.br] has joined #launchpad === kiko-zzz knocks off some zs [02:00] Whoop! Meeting time! [02:00] he said it [02:00] how is everyone? [02:01] kiko! [02:01] it is time indeed [02:01] awake [02:01] let's go === Kinnison waves his hands in the air like he just don't care [02:01] I've had 8 cups of coffee in the last hour. [02:01] kiko: How're you doing? [02:01] MEETING STARTED [02:01] i.e., same old smae old. [02:01] who's present? [02:01] hey gustavo [02:01] not too bad [02:01] me [02:01] me [02:01] me [02:01] me [02:01] me [02:01] my present! [02:01] me === Kinnison is present [02:01] I'm not [02:01] awl [02:01] me [02:01] Keybuk: bloody induhviduals [02:01] me [02:01] me [02:02] apologies / absences: [02:02] morgs on vacation [02:02] daf, sick leave [02:02] Yo [02:02] debonzi, at university [02:02] carlos, on vacation [02:02] coucou [02:02] did i miss anyone? [02:03] == Agenda == [02:03] - roll call [02:03] - agenda [02:03] - next meeting [02:03] - activity reports [02:03] - morgs, debonzi (steve, kiko) [02:03] - jordi's rosetta advocacy meeting (jordi) [02:03] - production / staging (stub) [02:03] - switching to breezy (steve) [02:03] - shipit (salgado, kiko) [02:03] - rosetta / breezy language packs (kiko) [02:03] - launchpad on bazng pie status (lifeless) [02:03] - sysadmin requests outstanding (steve) [02:03] - three sentences [02:03] [02:03] same time next week? [02:03] ouais [02:03] Aye [02:03] Sure. [02:03] anyone who won't be here on the 22nd, say now [02:03] sr [02:03] ok === ..[topic/#launchpad:SteveA] : Discussion with Launchpad users and developers. || https://launchpad.net/ || Includes Rosetta and Malone. || Developers' meeting, Thursday 22 Sep, 12:00 UTC [02:04] great [02:04] i won't [02:04] yer [02:04] I will [02:04] sabdfl: we can have a call beforehand, if necessary [02:04] next, morgs and debonzi [02:05] morgs has decided to stop working on launchpad, and to persue other things. he said to me: [02:05] I have really enjoyed working with you guys and the whole team, and I've [02:05] learned a lot about a lot of things. Thanks for the opportunity! [02:05] [02:06] he also mentioned the company he's starting, www.penguinlabs.net, offering Ubuntu hardware compatibility testing [02:06] to the South African IT channel for distributers and retailers interested in offering Ubuntu preloaded on PCs but lacking the skills to [02:06] sorry, I'm present [02:06] was called by boss at office [02:06] manage the testing / certification themselves [02:06] [02:06] i hope he'll pop in on irc once he's back from vacation. [02:06] to say hi and stuff. [02:06] and debonzi's decided to move on to university, waves bye to us, and also said great things about the team. he's been on IRC on and off and this month has helped celso with some soyuz UI work, but that was his last month [02:06] :'( [02:07] really? oh :/ === mpool [n=mbp@cor6-ppp1537.for.dsl.connect.net.au] has joined #launchpad [02:07] hi martin [02:07] moving on... [02:07] - jordi's rosetta advocacy meeting (jordi) [02:07] on a more positive note we have one QA intern who started this monday, and a new full-timer starting next week -- Steve, you have a phone call with him today or tomorrow [02:07] jordi wants to organize a meeting to talk about rosetta advocacy for upstreams [02:08] kiko: sure, tomorrow is best for me [02:08] sounds good [02:08] jordi: want to say a few words? [02:08] ok, so I want to see when to have a short meeting to discuss how to promote lp/rosetta. I'm going to start mailing people about the existance of rosetta and inviting them to join [02:08] spam! :) [02:08] anyone interested or with ideas on how to do this/who to focus on first welcom [02:08] niemeyer: TOTALLY [02:08] jordi: When & where? [02:09] niemeyer: see, that's one of my concerns. That it doesn't look like spam :) [02:09] jordi, question for you: how have the current upstreams been enjoying rosetta? [02:09] jordi: I think it might be a good idea to contact translators with recent contributions.. [02:09] are you going to target individuals or existing translation groups? [02:09] are there any showstoppers we might want to address before doing this, to avoid any bad PR (I tried Rosetta nad it sukced!1!) [02:09] jblack: any weekday evening (for europe) would suit me. [02:09] jordi: So that you're 100% sure that the person is interested. [02:09] jordi: Rosetta handles translation teams really well [02:09] as carlos might be good to have in, that needs to be starting next week [02:09] for example, we could create a team for "Arabeyes" [02:10] Ok. any day but lp meeting day can work for me. [02:10] jordi: Even if he's not the upstream, he'll pursue the adoption. [02:10] then they can be added to specific projects very easily [02:10] kiko: that's the kind of stuff we need to talk about too [02:10] right [02:10] even if just one or two translators from the team are using it, the others will then become familiar with it [02:10] right, agree with mark [02:10] kiko: there maybe be a few rough edges here and there, most involving perms stuff. [02:10] we have lots of items in this meeting. this item is about organising a rosetta advocacy meeting, rather than discussing rosetta advocacy right now. [02:10] however, I want to make sure it's a positive experience for the majority [02:10] jordi: i wrote most of the tgroups and perms stuff, so you can sent those issues to me [02:11] sabdfl: great [02:11] exports should improve a lot over this next week === sivang is also here , btw [02:11] improve? or happen at all *duck* [02:11] hi sivang [02:11] heh [02:11] so, jordi, when's the meeting? [02:11] ok, so say tuesday 20:00 UTC? [02:11] sabdfl, well, it's really a ratio thing -- we used to fail 6 out of 10, we now fail 1 or 2 [02:12] (which isn't beautiful but.. better) [02:12] SteveA, move on [02:12] sounds good jordi [02:12] I'll be around [02:12] - activity reports [02:12] k, Sept 20, 20.00 UTC [02:12] I AM THE DUDE [02:12] who is up to date, and who's living in the past ? [02:12] up to date === SteveA slips in a jethro tull reference... === BjornT is up to date === SteveA is up to date all this week [02:13] kiko: we should explore the idea of generating a base langpack from the package tarballs themselves [02:13] I'm missing the last few days.. I'm planning a single "sprint" entry. [02:13] uptodate [02:13] I'm in the past, and probably need to reset :( [02:13] up to date [02:13] I think I'm err, totally living in the past wrt activity reports === salgado 's living in the past (for the first time) === jamesh restarted, but hasn't sent in ones for this week [02:13] up to date === Kinnison is the dude [02:13] kiko: congrats [02:13] Kinnison, just because you chided me [02:13] up todate [02:13] event managed to tell the whole world torday [02:14] uptodate [02:14] and for lifeless' next magical spelling trip of doom... [02:14] up to date (if I didn't bounce my mails -- again) [02:14] anyone didn't say yet? [02:14] i'll follow up on people who are not up to date after the meeting [02:14] sabdfl, can you elaborate? [02:14] ot up [02:14] - production / staging (stub) [02:15] next production rollout, status of staging please [02:15] Staging is getting code updates daily as usual, but db syncs are disabled for whitespace fixup testing [02:16] Production will be tagged from soon (I have something I want to land this time ;)), and rolled out Tuesday unless someone requests otherwise [02:16] All producction systems are now running on Gangotri [02:16] erm, moduo import [02:16] Although Gina will need to still run on Macquarie when we switch her on (because that is where the archive mirror is) [02:16] importd [02:17] erm... and librarian and authserver... [02:17] has the authserver moved ? [02:17] but apart from that! [02:17] haha [02:17] so what you mean is 'the web ui is on gangotri' :) [02:17] is there a doc somewhere that says where things are running? [02:17] All the stuff runing as launchpad@macquarie has moved to launchpad@gangotri [02:17] yeah, there are wikipages on the servers [02:17] anybody tried to shut down macquarie will have to justify breaking 3 days of python import processing... [02:17] ddaa: wheres it t ? [02:18] up to I mean === SteveA plans to move on... [02:18] - switching to breezy (steve) [02:18] lifeless: I told in the baz meeting, not yet quite at 50% === stub is on breezy now [02:18] i'm going to be switching my workstation to breezy over the weekend [02:18] I'll switch monday, no earlier === jblack breezy since the beginning [02:18] i strongly urge all of you to switch soon [02:18] to help out the distro team on testing, and to make sure that breezy works well on your hardware [02:18] Blergh, okay === cprov will switch tomorrow or over the weekend [02:19] I switched on the weekend, no major dramas. === Kinnison ponders when he next has free time to switch [02:19] November? === niemeyer is on breezy.. [02:19] - shipit (salgado, kiko) [02:19] if you switch to breezy, install the "python2.4-dbg" package [02:19] detached symbols? [02:20] jamesh: Oh, that actually has useful debug symbols? [02:20] yeah [02:20] Nice. [02:20] ok, will switch tomorrow [02:20] shipit is ready. we should be opening it today [02:20] fun [02:20] i asked stephane to test it [02:20] spiv: yeah. both a debug interpreter and debug symbols for the standard interpreter [02:20] salgado, you need the latest sexiness cherry-picked [02:20] kiko, stub already did that [02:20] so, as i understand it, the idea is to get shipit running on shipitng.ubuntu.com (production database) [02:20] salgado: Is shipit giving an estimated shipdate a reasonable possibility? [02:21] test it out a bit, and then get elmo to switch over the old shipit holding page for the real shipit [02:21] stub is the dead kennedy [02:21] jblack, not yet [02:21] kiko, salgado, stub: am i right? [02:22] do we need to get elmo more closely involved in making this happen? [02:22] jblack, it will be possible to inform people when their orders are sent to the shipping companies. but from there it's not easy to predict the shipdate, AIUI [02:22] we need to make sure it happens [02:22] you requested it from elmo, SteveA, but... it's our funeral [02:22] more importantly, though [02:22] sabdfl, is tomorrow a good public launch day for shipit? [02:23] or mdz the undead [02:23] kiko: make sure production has the shipit code, and i'll deal with the elmo side of it. [02:23] SteveA, production has all the necessary code [02:24] SteveA, production is shiny [02:24] cool. so, i'll call elmo after the meeting. [02:24] - rosetta / breezy language packs (kiko) [02:24] I generated a new set of language packs with stub's excellent help [02:25] they are in pitti's hands for testing and diff-generation [02:25]