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mdzdoko: the hplip /etc/default change seems to trigger a conffile prompt12:02
mdzctw: apparently?12:03
mdzctw: if you can confirm that it worked in hoary, then it's almost surely a bug, and you should file it in Bugzilla12:03
mvomjg59: is it a bug or a features that usplash exits if the vt is switched? 12:03
ctwmdz: I haven't tried it myself, but several users have posed in the forums that it worked out of the box and the following site has a wiki entry that suggests that it did work: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HoaryPMResults12:06
mdzctw: it's difficult to confirm that you have exactly the same components; it would help if you could test it12:06
mjg59mvo: Feature12:07
ctwmdz: it wouldn't work with a live-cd, would it?12:07
mdzctw: suspend-to-ram ought to, but certainly not hibernate12:07
ctwit seems that the components in the dv1000 are very similar12:08
ctwnot much room to customize ...12:08
ctwI'll give the live cd & suspend to ram a shot12:08
ctwmdz: I've never filed a bug-report before, but found what looks like a very similar bug: http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1514112:08
mdzthanks12:08
ctwalbeit for a different computer12:08
ctwcomputer - model12:09
elmoFINALLY12:10
elmoempty breezy_probs.html12:10
mvomjg59: thanks12:11
mjg59elmo: Want to take my bugs?12:12
elmomjg59: dude, distro isn't even my job, I'm just ADD12:13
mjg59Damnit.12:14
mjg59You're quite happy to take part in prank calls, but will you accept the consequences? Nooooooooooooooo.12:14
elmofor versions of "take part in" meaning "be in the same room as"? :P12:15
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emilei filed my first 2 bugs tonight, one of them has a comment added. I'm not exactly sure if i should respond or give any more info (http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=15427)12:17
mdzemile: that comment was not directed at you12:18
emileok thanks12:19
mjg59elmo: Bah. You're entirely in on it.12:19
mdzelmo: there is blood on your hands12:19
elmolamont/infinity: around ?12:25
mdzmjg59: do you already have the fix for #6108 queued?12:26
mdzs/fix/workaround/12:26
mjg59mdz: Nope - sorry, when you suggest a fix that's not in a package I've ever touched, I tend to assume that means you'll upload it :)12:27
mdzmjg59: I suggested  a workaround in acpi-support, actually12:27
mjg59Oh, argh, is it in there? I thought it was in the laptop-mode script.12:28
mdzanyway I've done it and will mail you a diff12:28
mjg59The bug is against linux. Hm.12:28
mjg59Ok, thanks12:28
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mdzmjg59: our best guess at present is that there is a bug in linux, but meanwhile we can do something about it in acpi-support12:30
elmomdz: is it okay to use "touched it last" in assigning FTBFS or shall I leave bugzilla's defaults alone?12:30
mdzelmo: trust your judgement12:31
mjg59mdz: Yeah, ok12:31
mjg59Sorry, I'm dealing with an absolutely huge number of bugs at the moment12:31
elmomdz: you realise if you say "use the force" or call me "luke" I'll never talk to you again, right?12:31
mdzmjg59: is there anyone in the laptop team community who we might be able to recruit to help with those?12:33
mdzelmo: ok, young jedi12:33
mdzreach out with your feelings12:33
mjg59mdz: Not that I could pick out now, not really I'm afraid12:33
elmoconfigure: error: Your system is not supporting pthreads12:34
elmoautoconf owns12:34
mdzsupporting pthreads your system is not12:34
elmogrr, I wish people would check their uploads freakin build12:39
mbreitelmo: if i want you to sync something, can i tell you here or should i write you an email?12:45
elmombreit: tell me here - mail me if I don't acknowledge it here12:45
elmodo we still need tla in main? :)12:45
ogramjg59, does usplash react on log_failure_msg ? or what do i need to do in the init script to make sure it switches back to console ? 12:46
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mbreitokay... so could you sync ardour from debian unstable? should be version 0.9beta29-5... thanks!12:47
slomoelmo: did you already read my mails? ffmpeg and removal requests? ;)12:47
mjg59ogra: usplash_write "QUITQ12:47
ogramjg59, thanks12:47
ograi assume thats "QUIT" ?12:48
mjg59Yup12:48
ogra:)12:48
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elmomjg59: should hotkey-setup work on amd64?12:48
elmoslomo: not yet12:48
Evasombreit: i think that ardour-0.0beta30 is quite more usable12:49
mbreitEvaso: i would prefer not breaking UVF if there is no good reason ;)12:50
mbreitEvaso: and upgrading, testing and so on would take much time... so i would like to concentrate on fixing bugs first... and we have so much bugs to fix in universe....12:51
mjg59elmo: Uhm. Ought to.12:51
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Evasombreit: ok but i doesn't know if beta29 is quite usable12:52
Evasombreit: there a quite impressive upstream changelog fix12:52
mbreitEvaso: but we have so many packages that are not even installable... and i would like to deal with them first...12:54
Evasoseems also that gstreamer-ffmpeg doesn't work on amd64 it crash totem when it require this  backend to play files12:54
mbreitEvaso: and beta30 is not in unstable yet12:56
Evasombreit: i know..12:58
mbreitEvaso: is it okay for you if i let elmo sync beta29 for now so it gets installable again? i will have a look at beta 30 when we have our unmet deps list empty?12:58
Evasombreit: ok, if it could be help you later this is the quite impressive list of fix of beta 30 http://ardour.org/news.php12:59
mbreitelmo: so could you sync it?01:00
mbreitthanks elmo!!01:03
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lamontelmo: sup?01:32
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jdubGOOD MORNING FREEDOM LOVERS!02:03
tsengjdub: you keep leaving me out.02:04
Robot101jdub: moin02:04
tsenghey robot02:04
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whiprushyay freedom!02:05
tsengwhiprush: jdub doesnt include us, dude02:05
tsengwhiprush: we own ipods02:05
Robot101and he's been bitching about me on other IRC channels for "breaking the network for the 2nd night in a row". sigh.02:05
danielsmy iaudio has non-free firmware on it.02:05
danielsRobot101: so you're bitching on IRC about him bitching about you on IRC.02:05
tsengdaniels: you are a terrible person02:05
jdubtseng: GOOD MORNING DELUDED RIGHT WING CONSERVATIVES!02:05
whiprushheh02:05
Robot101daniels: yes, but none of you know him, so it's fine :)02:05
jduboh.02:05
tsengjdub: thanks.02:06
jdubthe ipod thing!02:06
whiprushCONFIRMED: Breezy64 on Ultra 20 = works.02:08
tsengwhiprush: elite02:08
tsengwhiprush: now get the 1u x64 box02:08
whiprushI got the hp 1u instead, with dual dual cores. It's metal.02:08
tsengwhiprush: im using breezy64 on the dell pe2850 (the box they claim be totally blow away)02:08
tsengthey just hate my freedom02:09
whiprushheh.02:09
HrdwrBoBthe DL14502:10
whiprushyep, gen2.02:10
tsengi dont think i have any of those02:10
tsengi have some older 1u compaqs02:10
tseng(proliant)02:11
HrdwrBoBwe're going with the DL345s02:11
HrdwrBoBdo the 145s have ilo?02:11
whiprushyeah02:11
whiprushthe entire line comes with ilo. If you call your hp guy they'll even put debian on it for you.02:11
HrdwrBoByeah02:11
HrdwrBoBthought so02:11
elmono they don't02:11
elmoDL140's don't have management hardware by default02:12
HrdwrBoBelmo: that was the impression I got from the website02:12
HrdwrBoBthe 345's have ilo02:12
HrdwrBoBthe 145's don't02:12
elmoand the management stuff on the 145 isn't anything like the stuff on the real HP hardware02:12
elmo(140 and 145 are basically not real proliant hardware)02:12
elmoHrdwrBoB: what's a 345?02:12
tseng\sh_away: your jabber server kicks me off constantly02:12
HrdwrBoBeer 38502:12
danielselmo: i think he meant 38502:12
danielsyeah02:12
whiprushhmm, well, my stuff came with ilo and I didn't ask for anything.02:13
whiprushthe webstore says the dl140 comes with ilo.02:15
whiprushor is lights out 100i remote management something else?02:15
elmo100i remote management is nothing like a proper ilo, no02:15
whiprushah.02:15
elmobut yeah, apparently DL140 G2's now have the 100i RM02:15
elmoG1 didn't02:16
jdubmjg59: ha ha ha ha02:16
jdubwhiprush: are one or both of us not registered?02:16
whiprushprobably me02:17
whiprushI registered before02:17
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jdubelmo: did you get my /msg too?02:19
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jdubgawd feenode is offensive02:19
tsengjdub: i noticed you didnt set umode +E yet02:20
tsengjdub: have 6 global messages about it.02:20
jdubwhat's +E?02:20
tsengjdub: AND THANKS FOR USING FREENODE02:20
whiprush+Ediocy02:20
tsengthat was the no-msgs-from-unauth-users tag02:21
tsenguntil in his infinite wisdom02:21
tsengit became server enforced default02:21
jdubwhiprush, elmo: so neither of you got my /msg in the last few minutes?02:21
whiprushI just got yours02:21
jduboh02:21
whiprushI see you're not getting mine.02:21
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jdubnup02:21
whiprushtseng: lilo's frozen corpse.02:22
jdubtseng: ;)02:22
tsengwhiprush: r0x0rz!!!1eleventy02:22
tsengwhiprush: oh dude02:26
tsengwhiprush: are you rocking out to slomo 's banshee package?02:26
whiprushyessir02:26
tsengrad02:26
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tsengmdz: that hdparm -B thing doesnt fix my dell very hard02:41
tsengmdz: let me find that bug again.02:41
mdz6061 I think02:42
mdzno 610802:42
tsenghm oh @ comment #5502:45
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mdztseng: are you absolutely sure your drive isn't operating in APM mode?03:35
tsengmdz: i absolutely have no idea03:36
tsengmdz: could it get this way on a week old install with no intervention?03:36
mdztseng: try leaving laptop-mode enabled and doing an explicit hdparm -B 255 after switching to battery03:36
tsengmdz: sure03:36
jdahlinI'm not sure if this is the right place to ask, but is there a way to upload custom acpi DSDT images on recent breezy kernels?03:37
mdzjdahlin: no, it isn't, but yes, there is ;-)03:37
tsengmdz: done, we'll see03:38
mdzjdahlin: /etc/mkinitramfs/DSDT.aml03:38
jdahlinmdz: does that involve creating a custom initrd image?03:38
jdahlinor is just dropping the file there enough?03:39
mdzjdahlin: just drop the file there03:40
jdahlinok, thanks!03:40
mdzjdahlin: then sudo dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-`uname -r`03:40
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tsengmdz: locking after hdparm -B 25504:03
mdztseng: stumped04:04
tsengmdz: i still point an angry finger at laptop-mode04:04
tsengmdz: i can look more another day if you post ideas via the bug04:05
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fabbionemorning guys04:43
jdubFetched 158MB in 22s (7041kB/s)05:03
jdubXlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server05:03
jdubXlib: No protocol specified05:03
jdub05:03
jdub^ after an apt-get upgrade, just before templates/apt-listchanges05:04
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jdubhttp://www.gizmodo.com/gadgets/laptops/index.php#lenibmovo-widescreens-launched-12547706:30
jdub^ interesting new ibm lappies06:30
Lathiatjdub: Z series thinkpad?06:33
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Lathiatfabbione: ?06:42
fabbioneLathiat: i can't get my ws to work06:43
fabbioneand i don't understand what is wrong06:43
Lathiatws?06:44
fabbioneworkstation06:48
fabbionekeeps powering off by itself of do random crashes06:48
Lathiatah06:48
fabbioneram has been tested06:48
fabbioneall possible hw other than mobo/cpu swapped06:48
fabbioneif i leave only CPU/MOBO and ram it works06:48
fabbioneeach single card works06:49
fabbionei really don't get it06:49
Lathiatcould be a MB issue06:49
Lathiatinteracting badly with more than 1 card etc06:49
Lathiator perhaps it just hates you!06:49
Lathiati hate problems like that06:49
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fabbioneso do i06:51
fabbionebut the mobo had the same hw mounted on for 4 years06:51
fabbionemore or less...06:51
Lathiatthings do just die06:51
fabbioneno shit06:51
Lathiatsound slike your situation is sucky tho06:52
Lathiatfabbione: can you get a certain combination of cards to work?06:52
fabbioneno06:52
Lathiatso any 1 card works, any 2 doesn't?06:52
Lathiator all cards work in another machine?06:52
fabbionesomtimes it does, sometimes it doesnt...06:52
Lathiatheh06:53
fabbionei can't plug all the same cards in other machines06:53
fabbionenot all together at least06:53
fabbionebut it's the poweroff that's scary06:53
fabbionewhy should it power off?06:53
Lathiatif you get a chance try swapping the m/b i guess, i've had similar problems as a result of the m/b sucking06:53
Lathiatfabbione: what it powers itself off if its not working?06:53
danielsi'd be looking at the power supply, myself06:55
Lathiatmmm yeh thats likely too06:56
fabbionedaniels: changed that too06:56
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fabbioneLathiat: well but it's not powering off always at the same point06:56
fabbioneyesterday it lasted 11 hours06:56
fabbionethis morning 10 minutes06:56
Lathiatwas fixing this old computer for someone once.. was freezing.. then i *moved* it.. stopped workign all together, swapped all manner of cpu/mobo configurations etc nothing woudl work.. after messing around for a few days i managed to find a combination that worked and left it, hope i never touch that again :)06:57
Lathiatfabbione: mmm06:57
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schweebgood work guys... I can suspend-to-disk on my ibm x41, and that rules07:06
dokomdz: the hplip prompt is only triggered, when upgrading from the preview/colony cd. how to avoid it?07:16
mdzdoko: what caused it?07:17
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dokomdz: when derootifying, I introduced a RUN_AS_ROOT variable, which I dropped again, when syncing with unstable, with the new upload I was introducing an "empty" conf file again, with a comment section, how to disable hplip on boot07:19
mdzdoko: you dropped the conffile entirely?07:20
poningrucan someone help with bugzilla queries?07:20
poningruI wanna see what bugs are blocking 5.1007:20
dokomdz: it's introduced again with the current version07:20
mdzdoko: argh07:21
mdzdoko: you can fix it in the maintainer scripts, but probably not worth it if it was only breezy07:21
dokomdz: I'll recheck with a next upgrade from hoary, but I'm pretty sure, that I'm not asked any question07:22
poningruso no one?07:24
mdzponingru: anything severity blocker, critical or major is a good target07:26
fabbionemdz: you broke hplip on sparc with your last upload...07:33
fabbionehttp://bld-3.mmjgroup.com/buildLogs/h/hplip/0.9.4-3ubuntu3/hplip_0.9.4-3ubuntu3_20050915-0626-sparc-failed.gz <- pretty interesting error07:34
mdzfabbione: how did I do that with a one-line change to a status message in the init script?07:34
Lathiatwith great ease apparently07:34
fabbionemdz: no idea :) but you did touch it last rule owns :)07:35
mdzthat rule doesn't apply when sparc loses its mind07:35
mdzthen the "fabbione loves sparc" rule applies07:35
mdzmizar:[/tmp]  debdiff hplip_0.9.4-3ubuntu2.dsc hplip_0.9.4-3ubuntu3.dsc |diffstat07:36
mdz changelog       |    6 ++++++07:36
mdz hplip-base.init |    2 +-07:36
fabbione-checking for icon directory... using /usr/lib/menu/hplip07:39
fabbione+checking for icon directory... none07:39
fabbione updating cache config.cache07:39
fabbioneinteresting07:39
mdzsparc = insane07:40
fabbionemdz: that's not the only intersting difference...07:41
bob2Processing was halted because there were too many errors.07:44
bob2go breezy!07:44
mdzbreezy 0wns j0007:44
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rob^bob2, the story of every breezy users life over the last couple of weeks :)07:57
schweebrob^: or months, depending on how much you've been tracking breezy07:59
rob^schweeb, true, but there have been a lot since the last freeze 08:01
schweebI'm just happy that I can finally suspend my IBM X41 to disk <308:01
tepsipakkihow come openssh is not built with kerberos-support?08:01
bob2it's a seperate package08:01
bob2schweeb: it didn't work in hoary?08:02
tepsipakkiyeah, and the version is 3.8.108:02
bob2'sudo dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-2.6.12-8-686 -plow' should ask me about usplash, right?08:02
schweebbob2: no, I have a SATA hard drive... didn't work at all08:02
bob2ah08:02
rob^there is a usplash package08:02
schweebthe ubuntu splash on boot is frigging sweet.08:03
tepsipakkibob2: let me rephrase; why there is no openssh-krb5?-)08:03
schweebway better than the initial one08:03
rob^schweeb, it is, but the font keeps fcking up for me08:03
schweebthat sucks08:03
schweebI always get "failed" when setting console font... but it still works for me08:04
rob^same, are your fonts during boot bold and ugly though?08:04
bob2haha08:04
bob2that splash screen is surreal08:04
tepsipakkibob2: nevermind, #1272508:04
schweebyea... not sure that's an issue... framebuffer can only do so much08:04
bob2and stops well before gdm starts08:04
schweebat least they're the right color08:04
rob^heh yeah08:05
bob2and X is broken08:07
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schweebX works perfectly for me08:07
bob2oh, the gdm login is the same08:10
bob2and all my nautilus icons are gone08:11
dokodo we have minimun hardware requirements documented for breezy?08:14
fabbioneelmo, Znarl: ping?08:16
bob2oh, heh, network-manager is uninstallable08:18
Burgundaviabob2, j^'s might make universe RSN08:20
bob2?08:20
Burgundaviabob2, the current version in universe is borked, a new version is sitting in REVU08:20
bob2is that the same as queue/NEW?08:21
Burgundaviabob2, no REVU is the tool for MOTU's to look at packages from non-MOTU's for upload08:21
torkelbob2: http://bootlab.org/~j/NetworkManager-breezy/08:21
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pefhello08:34
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dokofabbione: please could you build poppler on sparc? anastacia is currently fooled, that poppler-utils is not available on all archs08:44
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fabbionedoko: it's 4th in the queue already08:46
pittiHi folks08:46
fabbioneand afaik anastacia doesn't care about SSC08:46
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dokofabbione: thanks, but apparently it did, see the backlog from yesterday08:54
fabbionedoko: i have no irc backlogs08:54
sivangmorning all08:55
fabbionei am having a lot of problems with my workstation.. and i am on and off.. randomically08:55
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sivangah man, elmo looked for me and I wasn't here...08:56
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dholbachgood morning09:01
mvogood morning dholbach 09:02
dholbachmvo: morning michael :)09:02
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pittiHey dholbach 09:06
dholbachpitti: morning martin :)09:06
dholbachhow are you all?09:06
sivangpitti: good to see that cups bug is fixed, not I can again see all the printer on my network09:12
sivangpitti: morning, btw09:12
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pittiHi sivang 09:16
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dholbachsabdfl: morning mark09:20
sabdflmoin moin09:20
dholbachhehe :)09:20
dokomdz, Kamion: I'm going to seed libdb4.2++-dev, db4.3-util and libdb4.3-java. we shouldn't make any difference in db4.2 and db4.3 support at the moment09:21
dholbachmorning doko09:22
dokodholbach: morning. did you finish your presentation for berlinux? ;-P09:23
dholbachdoko: not finished yet, working on it09:23
jdubmdz: reping09:27
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mvomdz: are you still awake?09:30
fabbionemdz: ping?09:32
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dholbachi HATE different orig.tar.gz in ubuntu and debian *GRR*09:34
bob2spank people for that09:34
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dholbachi feel that spanking just is not enough09:35
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dholbachseb128: good morning sbastien :)09:47
seb128hello daniel!09:48
dokopitti: did you look at belocs, if it's ok to support it in main?09:51
sivangmornig dholbach 09:51
sivangBo Jour seb128 09:51
dholbachsivang: good morning :)09:51
sivangerr, Bon , even09:51
pittidoko: belocs? no, not yet - I did not even see that; my work plans yesterday got disturbed (see my activity report), will catch up today09:51
dokopitti: no, it's not mentioned in any report, just looking at it, because it adds support for km rw tn ss nso ts ve09:52
pittidoko: it's not yet fully compatible with our language packs; I'm just typing a mail about it, I CC you09:53
pittidoko: doko@u.c?09:54
seb128hi sivang09:54
seb128hi pitti09:54
pittiHey seb12809:54
dokopitti: yes09:54
sivanganybody know the method/module to get files from HTTP like wget does?09:55
sivang(in python , that is)09:55
pittisivang: urllib09:55
sivangpitti: k, thanks09:55
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sivangpitti: hmm, I wonder how it doesn't have a class like FetchFiles(filenames_list) or something, although it's easy to implement10:11
pittiyep, simple for loop10:11
sivangs/class/method/10:13
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Keybukseb128: got an evo bug for you10:28
Keybukthe "Sent Folder" button is disabled unless you set up an incoming mail server type10:28
Keybukwhich is ironic, given it's for _outgoing_ mail10:28
seb128Keybuk: right, I've that here too10:29
sivangKeybuk: nice =) 10:29
KamionKeybuk: is anyone working on getting grepmap into Debian? the d-i team are cautiously interested in switching to hotplug, but without grepmap the performance difference will probably be such that they'll give up10:30
KeybukKamion: a few people have asked me about it over the last year, but I've not seen anyone actually upload it10:30
Kamionmind if I take a look at it then?10:30
Keybuksure10:31
seb128Keybuk: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=31550610:31
KamionKeybuk: how do you want versioning handled? it's currently just 0.1.0-3 in Ubuntu - shall I just bump to 0.1.0-4 and make sure the packaging is such that we can sync it next time round?10:31
KeybukI think people have been put off because it's theoretically obsolete in the face of going-away-hotplug10:31
Keybukyup, seems sane to me10:32
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Mithrandirhmm, today's daily blows up spectacularly on this compaq nc823010:58
Mithrandiras in, the initrd seems busted.10:59
lifelesswhere is the daily installer ?11:00
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Mithrandirhttp://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/current/ has isos11:00
lifelessdanke11:01
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KamionMithrandir: hmm, haven't changed anything dramatic lately11:02
MithrandirKamion: it complains about partial reads and stuff, before it gets to d-i itself.11:03
Mithrandir(sorry for vague error message, I rebooted with preview instead)11:03
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Kamionwell *that* sounds like a bad burn11:03
Treenaksor a bad drive11:04
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Mithrandirit's repeated across burns11:04
jdubMark in South Africa recently... 'With his crew, Ubuntu, he's won the national "Battle of the Year" for the last five years. "This is my dream. I only want to dance," he said.'11:06
Treenaksjdub: ...11:07
jduburl on sounder ;)11:07
sivangjdub: nice, 'sup btw? what about us and ibm? (I am downloaindg db2 validations scripts as we speak)11:07
jdubnothing to report11:08
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jdubKamion: ping11:10
Burgundaviajdub, what is planned for Ubuntu Love Day at UBZ?11:14
jdubBurgundavia: cool presentations, marketing/loco bofs, stuff like that - should have schedule up next week11:15
pittiinfinity: can you please give-back affix?11:16
Burgundaviajdub, ok, just chatting with Mark about involving the Canadian loco team and contacting the local LUG11:16
jdubBurgundavia: and ubuntutoronto.org!11:16
Burgundaviajdub, bah, TO can eat their donuts11:16
jdubthey're nearby11:16
Burgundaviayes, they are11:17
Treenaksisn't Ottawa closer?11:17
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BurgundaviaTreenaks, yes11:17
BurgundaviaQC is only about 2 hours drive as well, if I remember correctly11:25
TreenaksBurgundavia: hmm.. good thing I planned an extra day off for myself then :)11:25
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Burgundaviajdub, how are you travelling on the BBB tour?11:25
Kamionjdub: pong11:25
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jdubBurgundavia: parachute.11:25
Burgundaviajdub, I was hoping for steam-powered dirigible, but parachute is still pretty cool11:25
jdubKamion: was just thinking, perhaps we should see how the usplash logo works for the ISOLINUX image?11:25
Kamionjdub: sure, could d11:25
Kamiondo11:25
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jdubthanks 8)11:25
MithrandirKamion: I see the boot problem with current daily, md5sum matches and I've tried with multiple different media.11:31
Kamionmeh, ok, I'll rsync and have a look11:31
Mithrandirit complains about trying to access beyond end of device, then dies because it can't open initial console and init dies.11:31
Mithrandirit also says RAMDISK: incomplete write (-28 != 32768) 1258291211:31
Kamionhmm, that sounds like initrd bigger than boot args say11:31
Kamioni386?11:31
Mithrandiryeah11:32
Mithrandirdoes the boot args say anything about initrd size there?11:32
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Kamionoh, huh, we have the initrd size hardcoded in debian-cd11:32
Mithrandiruhm11:32
Mithrandirthat sounds bad11:32
Kamion'zcat /cdrom/install/initrd.gz | wc -c' please?11:33
Mithrandir$ zcat /cdrom/install/initrd.gz | wc --bytes11:33
Mithrandir1379123211:33
Mithrandir(I think you want --bytes, not -c; this is an utf8 locale)11:33
Kamiontrue11:33
Kamionnow why did it grow so much?11:34
Mithrandirthey happen to give the same answer this time, though.11:34
Mithrandir13 megs sounds a bit excessive11:34
Kamiondebian-cd's current value for i386 is 12288 (*1024)11:34
Kamionso that's like a megabyte growth all of a sudden. what happened?11:35
Kamionone good thing about having it hardcoded is that you get to find out about this sort of thing :)11:35
Kamionhmm, perhaps I have the numbers wrong; it's grown by a few tens of KB lately, but not hugely11:36
KamionI'll bump it to 16384 for now11:38
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Mithrandirthanks11:39
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Kamionrebuilding CDs now11:45
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seb128elmo: libglib-perl and libgtk2-perl syncs please. These are new stable versions base on the current unstable we have and will fix #15447 11:55
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sladenjdub: rocking idea12:00
sladenjdub: I was also trying to work out whether it could be stuck in the middle of the black X display, as soon as X is started and for the 5-10 seconds before gdm starts doing-its-thing12:01
sivangguys, since about 2 days ago when I updated my laptop, the USPlash appears but dropps on the "Setting up console font" msg, any idea?12:02
sivangit goes back to the old console messages screen12:03
mjg59sivang: Bug in console-tools12:03
mvosivang: yes, a bad console-tools upload12:03
mvosivang: fixed in todays upload12:03
mvobtw, would anyone hate me if console-fonts can't be changed if usplash is used?12:22
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sivangmvo: cool ;)12:22
sivangmvo: what do you mean?12:22
sivangmvo: (re your last statmnt)12:22
mvosivang: while usplash is running the text-console fonts can't be set to something other than the default 12:22
Lathiatis it possible to change it between usplash ending and gdm starting12:22
mvoLathiat: that may work, runing it right before gdm /me tests12:22
Lathiatwho cares anyway? ;)12:22
KamionLathiat: I've got bugs from Polish console users12:22
Lathiatoh12:22
Lathiatblah12:22
Lathiatnon english people12:22
mvoKamion: so polish console users that use usplash would hate me ?12:22
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jdubor are you changing sides after the ashes?12:22
jdubsoft.12:22
Lathiatnon english language people12:22
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Lathiatenglish alphabet, really. :)12:22
jdubmvo: is usplash explicitely killed pre-gdm?12:22
MithrandirKamion: do you know the real reason for parted to be strict about msdos partitions being aligned on cylinder boundaries and such?12:22
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sivangmvo: fix working , now testing it on poweroff12:22
mvojdub: no, apparently it kills itself if the vt is switched. fortunately gdm switches the vt and usplash goes away 12:22
mvosivang: thanks12:22
Kamionmvo: probably :-/12:22
KamionMithrandir: no12:22
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KamionMithrandir: although I suspect it's because Windows barfs if the partition table isn't just how it likes it12:22
sivangmvo: seems I didn't get the USPlash on poweroff, and I used to get it before the crucial update - known?12:22
MithrandirKamion: well, fdisk and windows is happy on this laptop, but parted refuses to touch the drive because "Unable to satisfy all constraints on the partition."12:22
ogradoko_, looking at 15330 i think we can just remove the 2.3 dependency safely... all apps call #!/usr/bin/env python, nothing is in 2.3's site-packages12:22
seb128mvo: do you have this issue with german too: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=14094 ?12:22
ograseb128, does it go away if you run unicode_start ?12:22
seb128it doesn't bug the same way12:22
mvosivang: no, but it shouldn't change that behaviour12:22
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seb128without it  does an A@ by example12:22
seb128with ie,  does a 12:22
ograhmm12:22
seb128which seems to be a font issue12:22
ograwrong console font  ?12:22
mvoseb128: I can type all german umlauts with the default font, but a  does not work12:22
seb128mvo: I can type a 12:22
seb128but not q 12:22
seb128s/q/a/12:22
seb128neither a 12:22
mvoI can type 012:22
ogradoes runnung /etc/init.d/console-screen.sh help ? its the one that fails due to usplash12:22
ograrunning even12:22
Mithrandircan ubuntu-meta have versioned depends?12:22
Kamionno infrastructure for that12:22
Mithrandirhmm12:22
Kamiontheoretically yes, but I think it's a bad idea - better put the versioned depends elsewhere12:23
Mithrandirthe readahead -> readahead-list -> readahead transition didn't really work.12:23
Mithrandirsince both provides each other.12:23
Kamionsince the stricter ubuntu-meta gets, the more likely it is that people will deinstall it, and the more diminished its already diminished utility gets12:23
Mithrandirmhm12:24
seb128ogra: I don't have usplash on my box12:24
Kamionbut there's no readahead-list.deb anywhere any more, so that problem should go away?12:24
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MithrandirKamion: nope, since readahead-list provides readahead.12:25
seb128no, no change with the console init12:25
KamionMithrandir: but readahead-list isn't in Packages any more12:25
Kamionso surely it should be counted as unavailable12:26
MithrandirKamion: that doesn't matter if people have it installed already.12:26
KamionI hate apt12:26
MithrandirKamion: I'll have readahead-list (which now produces readahead) produce an empty readahead-list package which just has a versioned depends on readahead.12:26
Kamionit should see that readahead conflicts/replaces readahead-list and install readahead-list instead12:26
Kamioner, "install readahead instead"12:26
Mithrandiryes, the original meaning of replaces.12:26
Kamionthe original meaning of conflicts+replaces12:27
KamionI guess that readahead-list transitional solution is the best you're going to get12:27
Kamionit can go away in dapper since readahead-list only existed during breezy development12:27
Mithrandiryup12:27
dokoogra: yes, I'm still hoping to update to the final release ... waiting for jinti12:31
sladenseb128: dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-$(uname -r)12:32
ogradoko, err, thats the freshest release they have, released about 4 weeks ago, i dont think we'll se any update before releas12:32
ograe12:33
seb128what will that change?12:33
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ograsladen, tht fixes the console font ? 12:34
sladennope.  I suspect the console font isn't loading because the VT has been shoved into framebuffer mode12:37
seb128I don't use any framebuffer or splash12:39
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dokoKamion: did you see my question about db4.2/db4.3 ?12:42
terrexhi. Anybody knows why wine Replaces: winesetuptk if actually it doesn't?12:43
terrexI've renamed that second package to avoid conflict in dpkg database but both wine and winesetuptk works well at the same time.12:44
dokowas: mdz, Kamion: I'm going to seed libdb4.2++-dev, db4.3-util and libdb4.3-java. we shouldn't make any difference in db4.2 and db4.3 support at the moment12:46
MithrandirKamion: should we put readahead-list into the supported seed or something, then?12:48
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Kamiondoko: I didn't realise that was a question; it seemed to be a statement of intent, and I had no objections12:48
Kamionterrex: that's not what Replaces means12:49
Kamionterrex: it means that wine ships some files that used to be shipped by winesetuptk12:49
KamionMithrandir: yes12:49
seb128ogra: do you change gnome-system-tools for edubuntu: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=15428 ?12:49
Kamionseb128: how could he? same archive12:50
seb128Kamion: dunno how Edubuntu works and if they can divert some packages12:50
dokoKamion: ok12:50
seb128Kamion: thanks12:50
terrexKamion, and why am I not be able to install both?12:51
terrexwhen i select one, synaptic deselect the another.12:51
ograseb128, nope, i didnt touch it...12:52
bob2terrex: it Conflicts with winesetuptk12:52
terrexe$ apt-cache show wine | grep winesetuptk12:53
terrexReplaces: winesetuptk, wine-doc, wine-utils, libwine-alsa, libwine-arts, libwine-capi, libwine-jack, libwine-nas, libwine-print, libwine-twain, libwine, libwine-dev12:53
terrexConflicts: binfmt-support (<< 1.1.2), winesetuptk, wine-doc, wine-utils, libwine-alsa, libwine-arts, libwine-capi, libwine-jack, libwine-nas, libwine-print, libwine-twain12:53
terrexsorry for the paste.12:53
bob2yes, it Conflicts12:54
terrexbut i think that it should conflict with12:54
bob2(as well as Replacing)12:54
terrexbut i think that it should'nt conflict with12:54
ograterrex, winesetuptk is unmaintained and breaks the config, its not compatible with the packages from winehq, thats why it is replaced by the new wine packages (they are from winehq, not debian)12:56
terrexor well, wine provides winesetuptk12:56
Kamionterrex: Replaces is irrelevant, in any case12:56
Kamionwell, er, not really, Conflicts+Replaces has a special meaning of "this package totally replaces the other"12:56
ograterrex, there must be a new tool thats shipped with the winehq packages (dunno its name though)12:56
terrexaha okey, i'll try to look for it.01:00
terrexth01:00
terrexthx.01:00
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Mithrandirmaswan: would you mind making sure that the ubuntu-releases module exists on all of releases.ubuntu.com?01:04
Mithrandirmaswan: (rsync)01:04
jordipitti: did ubuntu get mailutils from incoming?01:05
pittijordi: mailutils | 1:0.6.90-1 | http://archive.ubuntu.com breezy/universe Packages01:06
pittijordi: so I guess not?01:06
jordipitti: is it frozen for that kind of updates'01:06
jordiboth -2 and -3 have important stuff01:07
pittijordi: please mail elmo about a sync request01:07
pittijordi: for hoary and warty we need proper uploads, though01:07
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MithrandirRiddell: I'll chuck 14690 in your direction so you can follow up on it.01:08
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fabbionemeh01:11
fabbione /usr/bin/ldd: line 171: /lib/ld-linux.so.2: No such file or directory01:11
fabbioneldd: /lib/ld-linux.so.2 exited with unknown exit code (127)01:11
fabbionewho is that?01:11
fabbionehow even01:11
RiddellMithrandir: sure (although currently it's in elmo's direction to sync ttf-dejavu)01:12
fabbioneMithrandir: isn't ia32-libs supposed to be installed everywhere on amd64?01:17
fabbioneMithrandir: or do i need to B-D on it?01:17
fabbionehttp://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/l/linux-restricted-modules-2.6.12/2.6.12.3-2/ <- see amd64 FTBFS01:17
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Mithrandirfabbione: it's priority: optional and not build-essential, no.01:18
fabbioneso what could cause that error?01:18
Mithrandirprobably a missing build-dep on ia32-libs, as you noted.01:19
fabbionefabbione Mithrandir: or do i need to B-D on it?01:20
fabbione.. not build-essential, no.01:20
fabbionei got the last "no" as referred to my B-D question01:20
fabbioneMithrandir: so is it ok to add it as B-D?01:21
Mithrandiryeah, except running dpkg-shlibdeps on 32 bit binaries doesn't really give you anything meaningful on amd64.01:21
fabbioneMithrandir: except that nothing meaningfull will come out anyway, because it's nvidia01:23
MithrandirI thought it was fglrx?01:23
fabbioneMithrandir: they both suffer of the same lameness01:24
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Mithrandir;-)01:24
danielsthey both install lib32 stuff on amd6401:24
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fabbioneok..01:25
fabbionelet's prepare yet another upload..01:25
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Mithrandirdaniels: that doesn't mean the dependencies will be in any way meaningful01:25
danielsthey don't really have to be01:25
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HiddenWolfdaniels, is the nvidia-glx version bumped as well with the new l-r-m?01:30
maswanMithrandir: just checked, yes, it's there.01:30
Mithrandir: tfheen@xoog ~ > rsync releases.ubuntu.com::ubuntu-releases01:31
Mithrandir@ERROR: Unknown module 'ubuntu-releases'01:31
Mithrandirrsync error: error starting client-server protocol (code 5) at main.c(1171)01:31
Mithrandirmaswan: hmm, it might be one of the DC servers.01:32
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maswanMithrandir: ah, fun, they are only called "releases" on the DC servers01:34
maswanMithrandir: ftp.acc.umu.se have more releases than just ubuntu though..01:35
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Mithrandirmaswan: can you talk to elmo or Znarl about it and work something out?01:35
ograsladen, stop filing this weird bugs !!01:36
ogra:)01:36
maswanMithrandir: I guess. Just putting up the same tree under the module ubuntu-releases on the DC servers seems the easiest way to go. I'll try and talk to them. I'm a bit backlogged right now though, so I might not be too active in hunting them down01:37
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Mithrandirmaswan: sure01:37
fabbioneHiddenWolf: ????01:38
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fabbioneHiddenWolf: i did the last l-r-m uploads...01:38
fabbioneHiddenWolf: what do you mean by bumping nvidia versions?01:38
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HiddenWolffabbione, is the nvidia driver version newer now? The old one breaks quite horribly for me.01:40
Znarlmaswan : Hello!01:40
fabbioneHiddenWolf: 766701:42
fabbioneand 7114 (legacy)01:42
HiddenWolflegacy? they broke it up?01:43
fabbioneno daniels did it01:43
fabbioneanyway it01:43
fabbioneanyway it's not the latest one01:43
HiddenWolfbah. :( I need to buy a serial cable then.01:44
HiddenWolfnvidia guy wants me to debug my problem, but I'll need to pull the data off it.01:44
fabbioneHiddenWolf: you can still install the latest one from their site and see if it works01:44
HiddenWolfYup, i'll have to try that too.01:44
infinitynvidia has stopped supporting the older cards in newer drivers, it has nothing to do with daniels.01:45
HiddenWolfMy system hardlocks whenever I try to start x with the nvidia drivers for some reason.01:45
poningruso why the gay duck?01:45
poningruerr sorry wrong window01:45
HiddenWolfponingru, dapper drake != gay duck!01:46
fabbioneinfinity: daniels did the job.. do you want to take away credits from him? ;)01:46
infinityHe did the job of fixing LRM, but it's nvidia that forced it on him.01:46
infinityHence "they broke it up" was an accurate representation.01:46
Lathiat++ on the new lrm01:47
fabbionewell i read it as Nvidia did break it in 201:47
fabbioneLathiat: ??01:47
Lathiati thought legacy was 6629 tho01:47
Lathiatdid they update it?01:47
infinityThe "legacy" driver is for everything from the TNT to the GeForce2, and the other driver is for GeForce3 and up.01:47
Lathiatya01:48
herzielmo: can you sync alleyoop to fix 2039, please?01:48
poningruHiddenWolf: it is so dapper drake == gay duck01:48
fabbioneinfinity: can you please push your lazy buildd's to munge lrm again? ;)01:48
infinityfabbione : Read your email.01:48
Lathiatponingru: Do you have a problem with the concept of homosexuality01:48
poningruLathiat: rofl no01:49
poningruI meant gay as in happy01:49
Lathiatscapegoat01:49
poningruhahahaha01:49
poningruno but what I am worried about is mandrake01:49
poningrumandrake used drake back in the day01:49
poningrudid our dev team know about this?01:50
fabbioneinfinity: i miss something...01:50
maswanZnarl: Greetings. Did you see the issue about rsync module name for releases.ubuntu.com?01:51
fabbione6.8.0-8.14.13-0ubuntu9 and 6.8.0-8.16.2001:52
fabbioneinfinity: how can the first one be >= of the second one?01:52
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Kamionponingru: The Hearst trademark that caused Mandrake to change its name was on the whole word "Mandrake" (as in "Mandrake the Magician"), not on the "drake" bit.01:53
Kamionso that's not a problem01:54
infinityif dpkg --compare-versions 6.8.0-8.14.13-0ubuntu9 gt 6.8.0-8.16.20; then echo "Ugh"; fi01:55
fabbioneinfinity: yes i can see that.. 01:55
infinityfabbione : I assume because one has two "debian revisions", and the other has one, and dpkg is confused beyond believe about that.01:55
Kamionfabbione: because the upstream_version and debian_revision parts are compared separately01:55
infinitys/believe/belief/01:55
Znarlmaswan : Yes, I'll get back to you about it?01:56
fabbioneKamion: bah01:56
Kamionfabbione: dpkg compares 6.8.0-8.14.13 with 6.8.001:56
fabbioneit's a dpkg bug01:56
Kamionno01:56
infinityNo it's not.01:56
maswanZnarl: Sure01:56
Kamionpolicy specifies it to work that way01:56
infinityPolicy specifies how versoins work.01:56
fabbioneKamion: shhh! let me push this crap to Keybuk :P01:56
Kamionand it makes sense, because the first of your two versions has foo_6.8.0-8.14.13.orig.tar.gz and the second has foo_6.8.0.orig.tar.gz01:57
Kamionthe first is clearly newer01:57
Kamioneither add a -0ubuntu1, or add an epoch01:57
fabbionedaniels: how did you manage to break it in this way?01:57
fabbioneKamion: all the vars are there01:58
fabbionejust not used01:58
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terrexaha, the wine package from winehq.com brings wincfg command instead of obsolete winsetuptk;02:03
fabbioneinfinity: did you block the build of -3 ?02:04
infinityNo.02:04
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seb128brb02:06
mbreitinfinity: could you please remove dep-wait on ardour?02:06
infinitymbreit : Already done.02:06
infinitymbreit : No need to repeat yourself.02:06
mbreitinfinity: thanks... i thought you did not read the query because i got no feedback... so sorry for repeating..02:07
fabbionedpkg-deb: building package `xorg-driver-fglrx' in `../xorg-driver-fglrx_6.8.0-8.16.20-0ubuntu4_i386.deb'.02:10
fabbionethis should do02:10
infinityCertainly sounds less broken.02:11
fabbioneit was lost in on of daniels changes02:12
fabbioneanyway i am off for a whilw02:13
fabbionewhile02:13
fabbionebbl02:13
\shmvo: ping02:14
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Frafraexist a version of ubuntu for sparc processor?02:17
ograFrafra, ports.ubuntu.com02:17
Frafraogra: thanks02:18
lifelessah, I know whhg02:19
Frafraexist an iso image of ubuntu for sparc?02:21
Kamionnot yet no02:22
jdubKamion: what do you think about putting version number symlinks (5.04->breezy) in the archive?02:22
Kamionpresumably correct symlinks would be a start? ;-)02:22
infinity<snicker>02:23
Kamionit's fine by me; I already do that on releases.ubuntu.com02:23
jdubyeah, that'd help!02:23
jdubahya02:23
jdubok02:23
Kamionjdub: dude, you made the same 5.04 mistake on sounder as well :-P02:26
lifelesswhere can I check the status of sfs  ? still lamonts home dir ?02:26
jdubseriously?02:26
jdubwtf02:26
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dokoMithrandir: what did happen to the proposal to update valgrind to 3.0?02:31
Mithrandirdoko: I think it's sane, but somebody needs to check that it doesn't break kcachegrind or whatever is depending on it02:32
dokomaybe Riddell could do that?02:32
MithrandirRiddell: ^^^ ?02:33
dokoMithrandir: do you have binary packages availabe at some place?02:33
Mithrandirdoko: no, but just rebuilding the ones from Debian works fine.02:34
dokook02:34
Mithrandirdoko: that is, I've got amd64 packages, but that doesn't help you when you want to test i386.02:34
KamionI thought Riddell already checked that out some time back02:35
\shcan sombody tell me where to find GLwMDrawA.h? 02:35
doko\sh: -> packages.ubuntu.com02:35
Kamionubuntu-devel-2005-09-01.html:<tr bgcolor="#eeeeee"><td>07:52</td><td><font color="#6e6ed1"><tt>Riddell</tt></font></td><td><tt>jdub: new valgrind looks fine, kcachegrind uses callgrind which doesn't like valgrind 3 but debian doesn't pacakge callgrind so it's no loss.&nbsp;&nbsp;and the kdesdk-scripts rdepend is fine</tt></td></tr>02:35
ogra\sh, apt-file ?02:35
\shogra: gave me the wrong answer..but it should be somewhere in the libgl* area...but I don't see it02:36
infinitymbreit : ardour is FTBFS.02:36
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mbreitinfinity: i see it... but it really worked in pbuilder yesterday02:36
MithrandirKamion: ok; i'll ask for a sync from elmo then, since I'm writing him a mail already02:36
\shapt-file after update: nothing ;)02:36
KamionMithrandir: yep, go ahead02:36
Kamionsomebody will need to keep a careful eye on it, though, since it's a late big version increase02:38
lifelesshmm, several things wnt camel1.2-3, others wnat 1.2-6.02:38
lifelesswhy is libcamel versioned by named and not version number ?02:38
\shgnarf...old location was xlibmesa-gl-dev...02:39
Mithrandirlifeless: because some people think that the version number of the package should be in the soname, rather than having a soname which is a single integer.02:39
Kamionlifeless: presumably because that's when the ABI changes?02:39
lifelessKamion: I have this sinking feeling that they bump ABI without bumping soname. 02:40
lifelessMithrandir: sounds dubious02:40
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lifelesswhere should I go to check on the status of sfs-client ?02:41
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Mithrandirlifeless: hmm, they're actually doing that too.02:41
Frafraexist a package for libgplflash2 for amd6402:41
lifelessMithrandir: well that explains why they conflict with each other. eek.02:41
Frafra?02:41
ograFrafra, libflash0c202:42
Frafraogra: thanks!02:43
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Frafracan i use this lib for play flash animation on firefox?02:44
ograFrafra, rather libflash-mozplugin02:45
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ograFrafra, but you dont want that ... it crashes every now and ten02:45
Frafraok02:45
Kamionogra: re #15244, what bit of ltsp-server actually starts sshd? I can't find it02:46
Kamionltsp-server only Recommends: openssh-server02:46
ograKamion, the ligon manager ldm02:46
ograheh, login indeed02:46
Kamionthat starts ssh, not sshd02:46
ograerr, yes...02:46
Frafrayes, it crash :D i've try macromedia test flash and it crash :)02:47
ograwait a sec02:47
Frafrabut libflash-mozplugin use libflash0c2 or the old gplflash (that support flash 4)?02:48
ograKamion, none atm... sshd is just a dependency, looks like mdz just relies on the fact that it gets started if installed02:48
ograKamion, so i guess some postinst magic in ltsp-server.postinst or ltsp-server-standalone.postionst is needed02:49
Kamionugh, I'd rather it shut down ssh properly really02:49
Kamionsurely kill -HUP'ing the client would suffice02:50
ograKamion, thats done in ldm... 02:52
dholbachpitti: did you ask for a centericq sync already?02:52
Kamionhmm, oh yeah, there's that ghastly kill -1 $PPID hack on the other end02:52
pittidholbach: no02:52
Kamionit obviously does not work properly02:52
dholbachpitti: i will do so02:52
herzidholbach: can you ask for alleyoop too?02:54
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Kamionogra: what way are you closing the ltsp session?02:56
Kamionit must not be by exiting the session manager02:56
Kamionbecause it doesn't matter that the ssh session stays open - it's the session manager you want to kill really02:56
ograKamion, i guess it is by closing the session manager...02:56
ograKamion, ldm starts a normal gnome-session... you log out there and X restarts on the client...02:57
Kamionbut then there would be no problem, because the session would not be running any more02:57
Kamionsurely?02:57
Kamionin what way does the relogin attempt fail?02:57
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ograi cant get any login... i'll have to try it to give you exact data... but looking on the server the ssh session persists even without any trace of gnome-session02:58
Kamionthat doesn't matter02:59
ograafter ~30 sec it disappears02:59
Kamionthe ssh session is innocuous by itself; it must be something else02:59
\shdefault tcp timeout02:59
Kamion\sh: yes we know02:59
Kamionthat was where the bug started ;)02:59
\shKamion: I discussed the bug with ogra ;)02:59
ogra\sh, if you force the quitting it shouldnt hang the 30 sec... thats the prob03:00
Kamion\sh: it's still irrelevant; it doesn't matter when sshd exits, unless there's something else it's taking down with it03:00
Kamionperhaps a forwarded X session03:00
ograwe only forward the desktop session, X runs on the client...03:01
MithrandirKamion: 7694 seems to be invalid/fixed already?03:01
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ograso it can only be gnome-session or something related to it03:01
Kamionogra: yes, that's how X forwarding normally works ;-)03:02
KamionMithrandir: not fixed because nothing has changed03:02
ograKamion, but i think mdz assume that 'kill -1 $PPID' cleans that up... probably the right replacement would do it already...03:03
KamionMithrandir: maybe invalid, but I can sort of see the submitter's point03:03
MithrandirKamion: well it's intended behaviour.03:03
Kamionwell, not necessarily03:03
Mithrandirit should bump the priority back up again, though03:03
Kamionif you encounter an error during partitioning and subsequently fix up your partitioning to be right, maybe the debconf priority shouldn't remain as low as it currently does03:03
Kamionogra: there's some other fundamental issue though I think03:04
Kamionperhaps an sshd bug03:04
ograKamion, i guess $PPID might be wrong... and the wrong process is killed...03:04
Kamionor maybe the greeter does not exit properly03:04
Kamionogra: $PPID looks OK when I try it out here03:04
ograhmm, it restarts the whole X server...03:05
Kamionbut in any case you really should not have to kill the sshd child to make logout work right03:05
ograso there shoudlnt be reaminings03:05
KamionX server runs on the client, has nothing direct to do with what's running on the LTSP server03:05
Kamiononly via ssh03:05
mjg59Hmm.03:05
Kamionthis is why I need to know what's running on the server and what the error is03:05
mjg59jbailey: Are network card drivers loaded before swsusp resume?03:06
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ograKamion, i'll do some tests and follow up on the bug03:06
jbaileymjg59: Yes.  Any driver present in the initramfs is currently loaded.03:06
jbaileymjg59: That would need to be the case for *puke* suspend over *puke* nbd anyway.03:07
Kamionogra: thanks03:07
jbailey(Not that it's a supported case right now)03:07
mjg59jbailey: We can absolutely and entirely ignore that case03:07
jbaileymjg59: Promise? =)03:07
mjg59jbailey: I worry that 14790 may be an issue03:07
jbaileymjg59: feh.03:09
jbaileymjg59: So what keeps HDD drivers from sucking on resume, since everything else clearly does?03:09
mjg59No idea03:10
Mithrandirjdub: what's the status of 7514?03:10
mjg59Hm. Well, not strictly true. The PCI controller is in the same state either side of the suspend/resume03:10
jdubMithrandir: was just talking to Kamion about that before - he's going to try the usplash image to see if it rocks on ISOLINUX03:12
jbaileymjg59: I'm more wondering if there's some sort of a reset that ought to happen *anyway* to make sure that the HDD controller is actually in a good state.03:12
jbaileyLike, are we just hiding the problem in this case?03:13
jdubSep 15 07:38:59 ubuntu kernel: [4923491.447000]  init_special_inode: bogus i_mode (177777)03:13
jdub^ what does that mean?03:13
Mithrandirjdub: ook03:13
jdubSep 12 11:37:49 ubuntu kernel: [4678575.291000]  hda: dma_timer_expiry: dma statu03:13
jdubs == 0x2103:13
jdubSep 12 11:37:55 ubuntu kernel: [4678585.291000]  hda: DMA timeout error03:13
jdubSep 12 11:37:55 ubuntu kernel: [4678585.291000]  hda: dma timeout error: status=003:13
jdubxd0 { Busy }03:14
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jdubSep 12 11:37:55 ubuntu kernel: [4678585.291000] 03:14
jdubSep 12 11:37:55 ubuntu kernel: [4678585.291000]  ide: failed opcode was: unknown03:14
jdubSep 12 11:37:55 ubuntu kernel: [4678585.291000]  hda: DMA disabled03:14
jdubSep 12 11:37:55 ubuntu kernel: [4678585.341000]  ide0: reset: success03:14
jdub03:14
jduband that?03:14
jdubis it megabackup time? :)03:14
zuli would say yes03:14
jdubber.03:14
jdubi should probably replace the drive before my trip, then, too03:14
mbreitinfinity: ping03:15
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Kamionwhat part of '-background black' do you not understand?03:21
TreenaksKamion: the imagick manpages are notoriously bad03:21
KamionI know, I'm using its HTML documentation03:22
Kamionthe man pages used to be much better before they were (for some reason) eviscerated03:22
HiddenWolflol, malone bug #1 is _the best bug ever_03:28
jbaileyKamion: Just use mogrify instead.03:28
jbaileyKamion: Convert I think is just one format to another.03:28
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sivangHiddenWolf: that the MS market share one?03:31
HiddenWolfsivang, yup03:31
sivanghehe03:31
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bddebianHello03:49
Whistlerhi03:50
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elmomeh, nvidia-legacy?!03:52
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bddebianHi elmo :-)03:52
bob2haha03:52
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WaterSevenUbmvo, thanks for correcting the problem in g-s-t with the POTFILE. But now... how to make the regenerated POT reach Rosetta?03:59
mvoWaterSevenUb: it looks like the rosetta people are all on vacation, g-s-t is not yet imported :/03:59
Kamionjbailey: mogrify is convert but in-place.04:00
Kamion(and seems to have the same overwrites-the-background-colour problem)04:00
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KamionHiddenWolf: that used to be bug #1 in our old disused Canonical-internal Bugzilla, too. :-)04:00
sivangKamion: lol04:00
sivangKamion: back on the no-name-yet.com days?04:01
HiddenWolfKamion, great attitude. :)04:01
\shmvo: what's up with g-a-i and psi?04:01
bob2sivang: yes04:02
bob2before no-name-yet, even04:02
mvo\sh: it is installable again it seems?04:02
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\shmvo: sure since yesterday 04:02
Kamionsivang: as bob2 says, before that - bugzilla.warthogs.hbd.com04:02
mvo\sh: then there is nothing up with g-a-i and psi (except you tell me about a new problem :)04:03
Kamionwe still have some services that live in /srv/<blah>.no-name-yet.com/04:03
\shmvo: not that I know of :) I resynced with debian and adjusted the desktop file to use no-gpg-agent04:03
mvo\sh: great, the motus did a wonderfull job in cleaning up the unmetDepends list. psi can be removed from the wiki page04:04
\shmvo: we're fighting against the time and broken sources04:05
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WaterSevenUbmvo, the synaptic updated pt_PT.po I sent you was not good for inclusion? It isn't in your last upload of synaptic.04:05
mvo\sh: yeah, I know. I really mean it, you are all doing a great job 04:06
WaterSevenUbmvo, hhmm... wait a minute... apt-get source synaptic downloaded ....5 not. .... 604:06
mvoWaterSevenUb: I think I included it?04:06
mvoWaterSevenUb: please beat me if I haven't (but not too hard)04:06
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WaterSevenUbmvo, I think my mirror or something is not updated yet ;) 04:07
\shhmm...looks like I have to prepare some text for the BOFs04:09
mvoWaterSevenUb: my changelog says pt_PT is included, but if you double check it when it hits your mirror that would be nice04:09
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\shseb128: ping libmms should hit universe and then main? 04:16
\shseb128: _before_ breezy release?04:17
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fabbioneelmo: yes04:26
fabbioneelmo: can you please new it?04:26
pablofhow can i set default values for question boot ? 04:31
Kamionpablof: please expand; that question doesn't make sense to me04:32
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pablofi want set default language and keyboard on boot04:33
Kamionand ideally don't ask the same question in #debian-boot and #ubuntu-devel near-simultaneously without clarifying which distribution you're actually using :-)04:34
Kamion'd-i debian-installer/locale string en_US', 'd-i kbd-chooser/method select us' in a preseed file04:34
Kamion(for instance)04:34
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HWolfGuys, I just dist-upgraded, then rebooted, and my system is now almost unworkably slow/jitterish.04:35
pablofok, i am using ubuntu.04:35
HWolf*reboot*04:36
pablofwhere i find out this docs ?04:37
Kamionhttp://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/breezy/main/installer-i386/current/doc/manual/en/apcs01.html except that it's a bit out of date, unfortunately in particular for the two things you're asking about :)04:38
Kamioner :( not :)04:38
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HWolfseb128, ping04:39
HWolfdaniels, ping04:40
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mjg59No04:43
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HiddenWolfIs any of you aware of an update today that could result in mouse events being treated as doubleclicks / turn gnome into something skitterish?04:45
slomo_seb128: ping04:46
sladenHiddenWolf: what laptop---I have that onthe R31 without i8042.nomux04:47
HiddenWolfsladen, desktop04:47
sladenHiddenWolf: originally there was also a problem with events appearing twice;  once via dev/input and once directly04:47
HiddenWolfsladen, how do I check if this is the case for me?04:48
sladenHiddenWolf: try commenting out one of the pointer entries in your xorg.conf and file a bug if that fixes it04:48
HiddenWolfsladen, pionter entries?04:48
pablofKamion: I added those parameters in the archive server.seed, but they had not effect04:48
Kamionpablof: oh, sorry, you can't put those two in a preseed file because the preseed file is only read later04:49
Kamionpablof: just boot with 'debian-installer/locale=en_US kbd-chooser/method=us' or whatever on the kernel command line04:50
sladenHiddenWolf: in /etc/X11/xorg.conf  comment out          InputDevice     "Synaptics Touchpad"04:50
HiddenWolfsladen, I'm using a _desktop_ system. ImPS/2 mouse04:50
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sladenHiddenWolf: I know.  You did say that before.04:50
zygahello :)04:51
slomo_elmo: ping? my ubuntu.com email address was a loopback before... now i corrected this but it seems the cronjob doesn't update it to the correct email address now04:51
sladenHiddenWolf: then try commenting out the 'Generic' entry on the line above and see if either of those help04:51
KamionBenC: is the nls_utf8 addition to fs-common-modules on powerpc queued for the next kernel upload? I'd like to revert the temporary installer hack I applied to work around that.04:51
sladenHiddenWolf: is the pointer you're using  USB or PS/2 or ADB?04:51
HiddenWolfThere are 2 imput devices in my xorg.conf. "Generic Keyboard" and "Configured Mouse"04:51
HiddenWolfsladen, USB04:51
pablofok04:52
sladenHiddenWolf: is your BIOS doing USB->PS/2 emulation04:52
HiddenWolfsladen: not aware of that; xorg.conf -> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/220404:53
elmoslomo_: slomo@ubuntu.com should work AFAICS?04:53
sladenHiddenWolf: intersting, we can discount those then04:54
HiddenWolfsladen, single clicking on gaim icon in tray results in it popping open/closed 3 times, that kind of behavior.04:55
slomo_elmo: i had this as my LP address until yesterday... someone told me that this is bad ;) and i want it to forward to another address now so i set another address as my default LP address and nothing happened yet04:55
bddebianslomo_: Don't feel bad, I can't get any @ubuntu.com e-mail addresses to work. ;'-(04:55
KamionBenC: hmm, actually if you could just put it into hfs-modules then that should work04:55
KamionBenC: echo nls_utf8 >> debian/d-i/powerpc/modules/powerpc/hfs-modules04:55
sladenHiddenWolf: 6 clicks?04:56
elmoslomo@ubuntu.com mail@slomosnail.de04:56
bddebianelmo: Would you mind looking at mine if you get a second?04:57
HiddenWolfsladen, can't really be sure, ot04:57
HiddenWolfsladen, it's erratic04:57
slomo_elmo: yes... then it's correct now, thanks :)04:57
sladenHiddenWolf: do you have any other USB mice you could try (from another computer perhaps)04:57
sladenHiddenWolf: what happens if you unplug + replug the mouse?04:57
danielsHiddenWolf: no, it isn't04:58
HiddenWolfsladen, no other mice, no effect04:58
\shah daniels 04:58
\shgood to see u...04:58
\shdaniels: got my mail? :)04:58
danielsyeah04:59
danielsi don't think we build libglw at all anymore04:59
\shdaniels: but we need it...for grass e.g.04:59
danielsyou're the first person to notice04:59
HiddenWolfdaniels, all I know is that my desktop just turned to randomly twitching on mouse clicks04:59
\shdaniels: i know..;) 04:59
danielsHiddenWolf: 'randomly twitching'?05:00
zygadaniels: I've got a question about libdps1 in breezy (it's gone)05:00
HiddenWolfdaniels, sometimes a click is just a click, sometimes it is 2/3 clicks.05:00
bddebianzyga: Yes05:00
\shdaniels: any solution for it? 05:00
zygabddebian: why is it gone?05:01
sladenHiddenWolf: always a left click---or allows the key you clicked?05:02
HiddenWolfsladen, happens only on left clicks.05:02
danielsHiddenWolf: uhm.  what sort of mouse?05:02
danielszyga: because it never, ever worked05:03
HiddenWolfdaniels, MS explorer. imPS/205:03
danielsHiddenWolf: *shrug*, either kernel bug or hardware bug; nothing in xorg has changed like that recently.05:03
danielszyga: there has never been any freely-licensed server implementation of DPS05:03
danielszyga: so if you app uses DPS, it either would've refused to start (in the case of texteroids, e.g.), or not enabled DPS support.  so it's no loss.05:03
HiddenWolfsladen, any idea?05:03
mvoDiziet: could you please have a look at #13750?05:04
HiddenWolfdaniels, what info would be needed to debug?05:05
sladenHiddenWolf: if you can't find another mouse.  take apart the one you have a blow any crap away from the left microswitch05:05
danielsHiddenWolf: uhm, I guess the output from cat /dev/input/mice when licking05:06
danielsclicking, whatever05:06
sladenHiddenWolf: and/or stick that mouse in another machine and is if it happens on tha tmachine?05:06
HiddenWolfdaniels, I can't see any intelligable data coming out of /dev/input/mice.05:07
danielsHiddenWolf: right.  it's more volume of data, I suppose.05:08
sladenHiddenWolf: sudo hexdump -C /dev/input/muce05:08
sladenHiddenWolf: sudo hexdump -C /dev/input/mice05:08
HiddenWolfsladen, daniels, should I pastebin that?05:09
bddebianzyga: I think it was dropped in Debian iirc. But don't quote me05:09
sladenHiddenWolf: sudo head -c 18 /dev/input/mice  | hexdump -C05:10
sladenHiddenWolf: and then press the mouse *once*.  0x09 == left down;  0x08 == left up  how many do you see?05:11
HiddenWolfsladen, 3 down, 3 up, some 0005:11
sladenHiddenWolf: so by that time there's already 3 clicks.  I suspect your mouse isn't debouncing...05:12
bob2firefox 1.5 seems snappier05:12
HiddenWolfsladen, now I only see 1 and one. :(05:13
=== HiddenWolf puzzled.
HiddenWolfIf I monitor /dev/input/mice I get perfect behavior. when i'm not, it messes up.05:14
sladenHiddenWolf: do   -c 6  if you only want to see the first two events (down + up).  -c 18  is the first 6 events05:14
HiddenWolfsladen, that's ok, down, up05:15
HiddenWolfsladen, it behaves a few clicks, then goes random again.05:15
seb128HiddenWolf, slomo_: pong05:17
HiddenWolfseb128, nm05:17
sladenHiddenWolf: IMHO, I alledge that your mouse is fubared.  Can you visit/borrow another one to tell whether this is the case05:17
seb128\sh: ? I've said that it needs to be moved to build gst-plugins0.8 with it, who said before 5.10?05:17
HiddenWolfsladen, I'll reboot to the other OS, check it out.05:18
HiddenWolfthat should prove it.05:18
slomo_seb128: shawarma told me you probably want libmms in main for breezy because of gst-plugins? if it's too much hassle i could add it the gst-plugins-multiverse and we can leave it in universe for breezy05:18
mjg59pitti: Around?05:19
pittimjg59: yes05:19
mjg59pitti: alsa-utils query05:19
mjg59pitti: the sanify routine in the init script mutes "Headphone jack sense"05:19
\shseb128: I quote in query05:20
seb128slomo_: I thought to that, but I would avoid to have to fork for Debian to put some Replaces on gst-plugins-multiverse05:20
pittimjg59: no idea what that is05:20
mjg59pitti: Looking at 2.6.12, that'll be off by default except for whitelisted hardware05:20
seb128\sh: maybe you are not registred?05:20
seb128\sh: no query 05:20
mjg59pitti: Some hardware can tell when you've plugged in headphones05:20
mjg59pitti: We want it enabled on HP laptops. I'm doing the kernel changes that are necessary for that, but we'd have to lose the unconditional muting of it05:20
pittimjg59: that sounds sane05:21
slomo_seb128: would we need replaces when debian has it? debian's version would always be higher than the multiverse one (-0ubuntuX vs -1 or something)05:21
mjg59pitti: Any objections to just removing that? Should be safe on 2.6.11 and higher05:21
pittimjg59: no, that's fine05:22
seb128slomo_: if a file move from one package to an another you have to replaces the previous container05:22
mjg59(I've just spent ages wondering why it didn't work by default after my kernel changes, and then found that alsa-utils is run by udev...)05:22
mjg59pitti: Ok. Do you want to do that, or shall I?05:22
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seb128slomo_: gstreamer0.8-misc would have to replaces the multiverse package05:22
pittimjg59: if you have time for it, go ahead05:22
pittimjg59: if not, I put it on my list (bit busy right now)05:22
slomo_seb128: ah sure... sorry, didn't really thought about it :/ hmm... so no support for it currently? or what do you suggest?05:22
Dizietmvo: Reading 13750 now.05:23
mjg59pitti: I can do that now05:23
\shdaniels: any solution for GLw stuff?05:23
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seb128slomo_: I suggest to package it, make a wiki page, get it moved to main and then make gst-plugins0.8 using it05:23
HWolfsladen, right, mouse is messed up05:24
slomo_seb128: ok... but that won't happen for breezy probably :( libmms will probably be voted for universe this evening05:24
seb128slomo_: why not? 05:24
seb128slomo_: moving a package to main is not that many work05:25
Dizietmvo: When they say the Debian package includes this embedding support, does that mean that one of our (Debian or Ubuntu) patches to 1.0.6 is to do that ?  That seems unlikely.05:25
sladenHWolf: dude.  now take it apart with a screw-driver and give it a good blow.05:25
slomo_seb128: it's only a half month until release and i thought main is frozen for everything except bugfixes ;) but well, when you say it could be done... let's try it :)05:25
HWolfsladen, I would, but there are no screws.05:25
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niemeyerhi, lifeless here.05:26
daniels\sh: not really at the moment sorry, aside from 'don't05:26
daniels'05:26
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niemeyerI need a hand, after upgrade, X hates me, at the ont-start level of hate05:26
niemeyerdaniels: good timing, you being up and all05:26
danielsalso me going to sleep about now and all ...05:26
seb128slomo_: that not a change to any current feature or a new apps ... that just an extra file to support mms, could be considered imho05:26
sladenHWolf: I'm out of ideas.  Try a sledgehammer.05:26
mvoDiziet: I'm not really familar with the ff package, but we definitly include the  gtkmozembed stuff 05:26
zygadaniels: Maya 7.0 uses that library and works correctly05:27
niemeyerdaniels: erk. can I bribe you ?05:27
zygamvo: hey :)05:27
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danielsniemeyer: not at the moment, sorry.  you could bribe me to not go to bed, but the only difference there is that I'll be passed out on the couch instead, with my laptop open.05:27
zygamvo: I'll talk to you later - lot's of work ATM05:27
niemeyerdaniels: can you at least point me at likely issues ?05:27
slomo_seb128: ok... i'll tell him to write a main inclusion report later ;)05:28
danielszyga: okay, then it's not actually using DPS, it's just linking against the library.  trust me when I say that it's utterly useless.05:28
niemeyerdaniels: I am completely fucked right now05:28
mvozyga: sure05:28
Dizietmvo: heh, I'm not that familiar with it either :-).05:28
danielsniemeyer: um, Xorg.0.log should tell you what's up.  i fixed this a while ago, but if your keyboard driver is "keyboard", try changing it to "kbd"; shouldn't still be an issue but whatever.05:28
mvoDiziet: aren't you the new maintainer ;) ?05:28
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zygadaniels: that's good to know, I'll try to build a dummy library and see if maya works in breezy, thanks05:28
danielsniemeyer: other than that, I don't know of any upgrade issues offhand, sorry05:28
DizietWhat's that got to do with it ? :-)05:28
bob2niemeyer: a 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg' magically unfucked my X this afternoon after upgrade05:29
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DizietDo we have any users (including Ubuntu-using developers) who want this embeddable mozilla ?05:29
niemeyerdaniels: thanks, if I can get at the console to try stuff, Ill check that05:29
niemeyerbob2: thanks05:29
DizietI mean, if it's just a question of shipping some config file that doesn't sound too hard.  But we ought to be able to check to see whether we've done it right.05:30
niemeyerright now, Ive just got a corrupt-looking gdm failure screen that will not react, with ctrl-alt-f1 etc broken too05:30
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slomo_seb128: btw... gst-plugins-multiverse currently ships two plugins which could probably be in debian in the future... dirac and wavpack. i'm just waiting for the stuff to stabilize and then wanted to search some DD05:30
zygax.org just got upgraded in hoary, wow :)05:30
danielszyga: not so great.  security update.05:31
mvoDiziet: yeah, checking now 05:31
seb128slomo_: they could be built from gst-plugins0.8?05:31
DizietTa.05:31
DizietIf you have more info, add it to the bug report.  Or we could chat to the submitter by email or something.  (Bugzilla is such a sucky messaging system.)05:31
slomo_seb128: when i get someone to upload the dirac and wavpack libraries to debian... yes. there seems to be nothing suspect with the libraries, no ugly patents, good licenses etc05:32
mjg59elmo: Hm. I don't seem to be able to reach upload.ubuntu.com05:33
mjg59Oh, no, sorry - this is because I'm suffering massive packet loss05:33
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mjg59Oh, FFS.05:35
mjg59I've been slashdotted.05:35
HiddenWolfmjg59, enjoy. ;)05:36
pittimdz: I fixed some pmount bugs and did a new upstream microrelease for that; any objections to just uploading it?05:36
jdubmjg59: you hosted it locally?05:36
mjg59jdub: Yes05:36
jdub*d'oh*05:36
jdubbuh bye! :-)05:37
pittiKamion: see pmount question above - can you approve this as well?05:37
mjg59jdub: If this is your fault, I'm going to beat you to death with your shoes05:37
=== mjg59 can't actually get enough packets through to open new connections
Dizietmjg: Can I help ?  I mean, I could cycle over, collect the data, upload it to chiark, and you could switch the DNS somehow.05:38
HiddenWolfmjg59, what are you hosting?05:39
mjg59Diziet: Not a bad idea - there's only 304K, though05:39
mjg59Hang on, I'll see if I can scp it to chiark05:39
HiddenWolfsladen, ping05:39
mjg59I've disabled apache for now, that seems to have made things better05:39
Kamionpitti: if they fit within feature freeze criteria, that's fine05:40
pittiKamion: it fixes a major bug, a normal one, and has updated translations05:40
Dizietmjg: Let me know what you want me to do to chiark's setup, at the appropriate point.05:40
pittiKamion: no new features05:40
mjg59Diziet: dcc.tar.bz2 in ~mgarrett05:40
mjg59Which ought to be www.dccalliance.biz05:40
pittiKamion: erm, two normal ones actually05:40
Dizietmjg: Right.  Mind if I become you with su to set it up in your filespace ?05:41
DizietAnd, you can change the DNS right away.  This'll only take a minute or two.05:41
mjg59Diziet: No problem05:41
Dizietls: /u2/mgarrett/dcc.tar.bz2: No such file or directory05:42
jsgotangcooh yeah you've been slashdotted alright05:42
mjg59Oops - /tmp (force of habit)05:42
Diziet/tmp ?!05:43
=== Diziet hacks mjg59's account with a symlink attack.
mjg59Ok, DNS is good05:44
Diziet/u2/mgarrett/dcc.tar.bz2: gzip compressed data, deflated, last modified: Thu Sep 15 16:39:36 2005, os: Unix05:44
dilingerpitti: hey, do you know anything about CAN-2005-1761?05:44
mjg59Yup05:44
pittidilinger: yes05:44
dilingerpitti: has its details been made public yet?05:44
Dizietmjg: Is there a webmaster@ ?05:45
dilingerpitti: i can't message you because i'm not registered05:45
pittidilinger: did you get my /msg?05:45
Kamionpitti: sounds reasonable; go ahead05:45
mjg59Diziet: @dccalliance.biz? Yup.05:45
dilingerpitti: yep05:45
pittidilinger: I did not find the corresponding 2.6 patch yet05:45
dilingerpitti: alright, thanks05:46
=== dilinger pokes around a bit
Dizietmjg: Now seems to be serving that.05:47
DizietDo you need it on http://dccalliance.biz too ?05:48
mjg59Nope, that's fine05:48
mjg59Thanks!05:48
DizietNP05:48
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dilingerpitti: http://kernel.org/git/?p=linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux-2.6.git;a=commit;h=0a65800243742480b4b594b619b759749a3cfef405:49
dilingeri suspect the fix is in there05:49
jsgotangcohrmm you actually got linked from zdnet too05:49
DizietWhat's the TTL on the old RRs ?05:50
DizietLooks like 86400 on the new ones.05:50
DizietYou could get your apache to redirect; that might help.05:50
pittidilinger: omg, compared to the 2.4 fix, this is huuuge...05:50
dilingerpitti: i think "rewrite" in the description accurately describes it :)05:51
DizietAlthough it would mean spoiling the URLs.05:51
DizietWhy oh why oh why do we have _two_ gnomeish vim packages, which _conflict_ with each other (unlike every other kind of bizarre vi variant) ?05:52
highvoltagehi guys. i asked other channels, but couldn't find an answer. where can I find a copy of the ubuntu manifesto?05:53
DizietAnd they conflict with vim too.  Bizarre.05:53
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netstarAnyone working on breezy ppc32/64?05:55
mdzpitti: no objection05:55
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pittimdz: ok, thanks05:56
dilingerpitti: how about CAN-2005-0757?05:56
pittimdz: Good morning! :-)05:56
jdubhighvoltage: look at ubuntu.com front page (which itself is the first hit in google)05:56
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netstarI'm having serious issues with X, and I'm not sure if it's a problem with the xorg packages, my kernel or x nv drivers...CPU load for simple window movements is unbelievable...05:56
mdzKamion: the PPID hack works for me; what happens for you?05:56
Kamionmdz: -> ogra05:57
mdzjdub,mvo,fabbione: pong05:57
Kamionmdz: (I don't have an LTSP setup yet; it's ogra who's having problems)05:57
mdzoh05:57
Kamionnamely #1524405:57
mvomdz: already send you a mail05:57
Kamionnetstar: what's the problem?05:57
mvogood morning btw05:57
jbaileynetstar: I'm using the stock ati drivers with my two ppc systems and I'm not seeing a problem.05:57
lifelesswow, that was a tough upgrade05:58
lifelessjdub: up ?05:58
mdzKamion: it should work fine on a normal logout; I guess he's talking about killing the X server?05:58
pittidilinger: hm, it's on my ignore list05:58
jdublifeless: stupidly, yes.05:58
jbaileynetstar: It's probably worth filing a bug.05:58
jdublifeless: have a really horrible cold.05:58
Kamionmdz: I don't know; I couldn't get exact details from him05:58
netstarExtremely high cpu load for simple window movements.  For example when gdm loads I can literally watch it paint the background image onto the screen.05:58
lifelessjdub: ouch05:58
Kamioncairo, perhaps?05:59
lifelessjdub: why does the stiky note applet not let me hide its notes anymore ?05:59
netstarThis is not an issue I have had when using earlier yellowdog releases.05:59
Kamiondoes non-gtk stuff exhibit the same problem?05:59
jdublifeless: no idea05:59
Amaranthgtg05:59
lifelessmdz: do you want upgrade reports to ubuntu-devel, or is there some other place ?05:59
lamont__pitti: it says I don't have permission to view the CVE report (launchpad).  fix that.  kthxbye05:59
dilingerpitti: ok.  downloading the RHEL kernel sources now, i'll see whether it's 2.4-only06:00
netstarKamion, I havene't tried.  Are newer gtk+2's really much more CPU intensive than say gnome 2.6 and the gtk at that time?06:00
Kamionnetstar: gtk 2.8 uses cairo as a backend, which is a vector graphics library06:00
mdzlifeless: ubuntu-devel is fine06:00
Kamionsome people have reported slowdowns with that, although I think not as dramatic as yours06:00
lifelessmdz: ok. I have a few things that are likely me-being newbish. documetning now06:00
pittilamont__: hmm?06:01
netstarperhaps I should try a non-gtk window manager and environment06:01
sladencairo is slightly slower that treacle on a cold morning06:01
netstarlol06:01
lamont__pitti: I was assuming that the CVE report is security-team stuff...06:01
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lamont__https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+cve06:02
jdubKamion: unlikely this stuff (which is coming up a fair bit) is cairo06:02
netstarjdub, you been hearing the same regarding X on ppc32/64?06:02
jdubit has been coming up generally06:03
sladenIt takes about a second for GDM to draw the background on these laptops---very noticeable top-to-bottom blitting06:03
netstarsladen, that's the same I am getting06:03
pittilamont__: I don't have permission to change members06:03
sladennetstar: I think that's just the alpha-blending+scaling gdm is using being slow06:04
sladennetstar: pretend it's a feature.06:04
netstarIt shouldn't be THAT slow though.  What is the spec of your machines?06:04
pittidilinger: nothing in my email archives either06:05
lamont__pitti: sigh06:05
netstarI'm running imac G5 1.8ghz with 768MB ram.06:05
seb128slomo_: but they are uploaded to ubuntu? universe or main? did you do a wiki package to move them from universe?06:05
slomo_seb128: universe... and no, i want them to be more stable and mature first06:05
bddebianelmo: ping?06:06
jdubsladen: that's not a particularly useful comment - this is a regression from previous releases. make it clear.06:06
seb128slomo_: k06:06
dilingerpitti: heh, have you ever looked at a RHEL srpm package?  they do awful things..06:07
pittidilinger: no, I didn't06:07
dilingerthey've backported xattr stuff.  instead of including the fix in a separate patch, they've simply rediffed the entire backport patch06:07
pittidilinger: maybe they just did an error when backporting06:07
dilingerthat's what i'm guessing06:07
seb128lifeless: you need to click out of the notes somewhere06:08
lifelessseb128: oh, so its magic now ?06:09
pittidilinger: hey, I found something: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=31116406:09
pittidilinger: patch is in a Debian kernel package, that should make it much easier06:09
sladenjdub: good point, I had it in my mind it was happening before, but thinking about it now---it's only showed up since since breezy.. mmm06:09
seb128lifeless: yeah06:09
lifelessseb128: any idea how I get my terminal windows (uxterm) to be black again ?06:09
netstarAny idea when fluxbox will enter breezy universe?06:09
=== Treenaks is reading the changelogs incorrectly, or sees a problem
seb128lifeless: how did you do to have it black?06:10
lifelessseb128: before upgrade, it looked lilke a normal xterm06:10
lifelessseb128: after upgrade its got blue background06:10
seb128netstar: pool/universe/f/fluxbox/fluxbox_0.9.12-1build1_i386.deb ?06:10
seb128lifeless: it has a grey background here06:10
dilingerpitti: nice, thanks06:10
Treenaksdaniels: xorg: Revert to DRI 4.x!     l-r-m: Switch to DRI06:10
Treenaksdaniels: or am I stupid?06:11
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lifelessghmm scp is bust too06:11
\shMithrandir: please apt-get build-dep grass, thx06:11
lifelessseb128: what else on your desktop is grey ?06:12
lifelessseb128: and are you looking at uxterm, or at gnome-terminal ?06:12
Mithrandir\sh: done06:12
seb128lifeless: nothing else is grey, I use GNOME stuff on my destkop ... I just entered "uxterm" from a g-t command line06:13
lifelessseb128: thanks06:13
seb128np06:13
lifelesshttp://people.ubuntu.com/~robertc/blue-help-Screenshot.png06:14
seb128right06:14
seb128that's the same grey than my GTK widgets :)06:14
lifelessso, uxterm is using gtk now ?!06:15
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\shlifeless: no06:15
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seb128lifeless: maybe that's due to xrdb06:16
\shlifeless: can u check your /etc/X11/app-defaults/XTerm ?06:16
lifelesssure06:17
dholbachmdz, Kamion: can i have permission to upload new librsvg? according to upstream, it makes nautilus more stable, while the API stayed 100% the same06:17
dholbachelmo: thanks for the syncs06:18
lifeless\sh: what should I look for ?06:18
bddebiandholbach: You can't thank him. ;-P06:18
\shlifeless: background 06:18
seb128lifeless: echo 'XTerm*background: black' > color && xrdb -merge color06:18
lifeless\sh: not present06:18
\shhmpf06:18
\shit should default to white, at least the old ones..06:18
\shI can change it 06:18
\shbut should I ?06:19
lifelessseb128: echo 'XTerm*background: black' > xterm-colour06:19
lifelessrobertc@lifelesslap:~/t$ xrdb -merge xterm-colour 06:19
lifelessseb128: no change on existing or new terminals06:19
seb128lifeless: try with UXTerm rather06:19
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\shargl06:19
EvasoBenC: ping06:19
\shmoment06:19
lifelessseb128: fantastric. halfway there06:19
seb128cool06:19
lifelessI'm guessing white and foreground ?06:20
\shyes06:20
Evasowhois actually managing wifi card in ubuntu?06:20
\shseb128: do u think it's worth to default it to the old defaults? white background, black foreground?06:20
lifelessseb128: I owe you a beer. collect in montreal06:20
seb128lifeless: gnome use xrdb on /etc/gnome/config/ files at startup, you maybe want to hack or comment stuff here06:20
seb128lifeless: cool :)06:21
bddebianSpeaking of UBZ.  I assume week1 is the better of the two if I have to choose?06:21
lifelessbddebian: week 1 is distro, week 2 lp06:21
lifelessbddebian: neither better nor worse, just what is interesting to you06:21
bddebianFuXX0r. Week 1 is over Halloween and my children will disown me :'-(06:21
seb128\sh: yeah, but I'm not sure of what changed ... GNOME xrdb stuff didn't, that's probably xorg06:21
Evasowhois managing hotplug?06:22
dokojdub, mdz: ok to demote mozilla-openoffice.org to universe? it doesn't work06:22
\shseb128: nothing... I think it's from new upstream I *censored* introduced 06:22
\shseb128: I'll have a look06:23
seb128k06:23
\shlifeless: btw...can u check if double-clicking on emails and/or ip address highlights them in a correct way?06:24
bddebianAre we gonna morgue Yehia?  Didn't sound like elmo thought we should?06:24
\shlifeless: (in xterm/uxterm that is ;))06:24
lifeless\sh: what is 'correct way' ?06:24
lifeless\sh: they've always acted like words for me06:24
\shlifeless: without any holes in it, i think ;)06:24
lifelessseems fine.06:24
\shlifeless: ok..thx06:25
lifelesshmm06:25
lifelessmy high colour stuff is hard to read06:25
lifelesswhats the xrdb thing to set fonts to 'default' ?06:25
\shbddebian: I don't want this lib anymore...because there is no upstream work anymore06:25
lifelessor better yet, how do I turn the xrdb stuff off?06:25
highvoltagejdub: sorry, is that on the frontpage the manifesto? from how i understand it, it sounds like it's refering to a bigger document.06:25
highvoltageperhaps i just misunderstood.06:25
\shbddebian: what elmo said about yehia?06:27
bddebian\sh: I don't disagree but it seems elmo might.  It also affects gql?06:28
mdzdholbach: it's a GNOME package and a strict bugfix-only release?06:28
mdzdoko: it doesn't work or it has no chance of working?06:28
\shbddebian: yes..but I don't care...morgue both ;)06:28
jsgotangcogood night =)06:28
bddebian\sh: I agree but I can't make that decision :-)  Looks like he was worried about the qgl rdepends06:29
bddebianGnight jsgotangco06:29
dokomdz: I remember it did work for some snapshot, but at least since 121 it doesn't work anymore (same in unstable), and I see no chance to get it working in breezy.06:29
mdzdoko: ok06:30
mdzdoko: what are we doing about a python IDE for main?06:30
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\shelmo: we can morgue as well gql...An app which depends on a lib, where upstream doesn't work anymore since a couple of years, it's not worth it to have it in the archives...06:30
\shand now I'm going into lag mode...06:31
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\shseb128: btw...what is the purpose to put Emacs.ad into /etc/gnome/config and not into /etc/X11/app-defaults ?06:32
dholbachmdz: according to the changelog it fixes loads of bugs and there were no new big features going in since the last release; apart from gnome, pike uses it06:33
mdzdholbach: please send the changelog excerpt06:33
dholbachmdz: will do06:33
dokomdz: we have no good one, see UbuntuMainInclusionQueueIdle. I'd like to see idle in main independent of a decision, because that's the one which comes with the core package. We can add spe or boa-constructor, but both are based on wxwidgets, which looks a bit unstable. I'm still trying to get eclipse-pydev built from source, but eclipse is universe ...06:35
mdzdoko: jelkner mentioned idle and drpython06:35
seb128\sh: this file is installed here by gnome-control-center06:35
\shseb128: *grmpf*06:35
seb128\sh: and xrdb is called by gnome-settings-daemon06:35
\shseb128: and emacs21 itself doesn't install app-defaults/Emacs06:36
dholbachmdz: http://ubuntu.gplan.info/librsvg2-ChangeLog.excerpt.txt06:36
mdz\sh: gql or qgl?06:36
dokomdz: drpython is wxwidgets as well. I'll try to contact jelkner about his reasons for drpython06:36
seb128\sh: that's a "let's convert X apps to a GTK look"06:36
\shqgl ;)06:36
\shmdz: qgl sry06:36
mdzdholbach: oh, this is a late 2.12.0 release?06:36
\shmdz: damnit...now u confused me06:37
\shmdz: gql dep-wait libyehia0.5-0c206:37
\shthis is correct ;)06:37
seb128mdz: they are not really in sync with the GNOME desktop, but according to upstream that's their best version ever06:37
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mdzseb128: but everything uses it, right?06:38
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mdzour version is older than 2005-05-15?06:38
dholbachmdz: that's when the "new upstream release" appeared in the debian package06:39
KeybukKamion: Coooooollllllin, how do I delete a bad key out of .ssh/known_hosts now? :p06:39
dilingerKeybuk: guess! ;p06:39
seb128mdz: we have the same version as hoary had atm06:39
dholbachmdz: nautilus uses it, an image-viewer, a game and pike, (ok and the ruby bindings) 06:40
seb128mdz: abiword-plugins-gnome gdm libgnome-cil nautilus use it06:40
seb128mdz: that's all from main06:40
mdzdoko: let's get idle in; go ahead and seed it to supported. it's built from python2.4 and so already the source is in main, no06:40
mdzdoko: ?06:40
mdzseb128: oh, that's not so much06:41
mdzdholbach,seb128: let's do it06:41
seb128mdz: new version fixes quite a bunch of nautilus/svg crashers06:41
\shgrmpf06:41
seb128mdz: thanks06:41
dholbachmdz: the biggest impact will be on nautilus, which will work better - YAY! :)06:41
dokomdz: the source is in main, yes. will seed it06:41
\shcan someone remove a *censored* mistake of mine? grass-6.0.1-0ubunu1?06:42
KamionKeybuk: ssh-keygen -R06:43
elmo\sh: no,it's already been accepted06:43
\shelmo: sry about that...uploading ubuntu1 overrides it?06:44
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elmo\sh: dunno off hand, check with dpkg --compare-versions06:44
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\shelmo: k06:44
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slomo_\sh: ubuntu1 should be lower than ubunu1... t comes before u06:46
lifelessseb128: so any suggestion to remove xrdb stuff during startup ?06:46
lifelessseb128: i.e. stop it happening at all06:46
seb128lifeless: rm /etc/gnome/config/*06:46
lifelessthanks06:47
seb128lifeless: these are conffiles, if you remove them they will not be reinstalled on upgrades06:47
Kamion\sh: just leave it and sort it out at next sync from Debian06:47
\shKamion: k..I hope they're removing --with-glw as I did06:48
ograKamion, looks like 15244 is a problem with the DISPLAY variable not being unset fast enough ...06:49
lifelessis thomboy known broken06:49
slomo_lifeless: tomboy? it works for me and there are no bugreports afaik06:50
ograKamion, i get a clean ssh connection but x-session-manager threows a "cannot open display" in .xsession-errors ...06:50
DizietDammitttt, I have a bouncy tttt key.06:51
lifelessslomo_: hmm. the panel encountered a problem while loading "OAFIID:TomboyApplet"06:51
lifelessclick dont delete06:51
lifelesscomes back :[06:51
slomo_lifeless: it is no panel applet anymore... it is in the notification area now06:51
slomo_lifeless: so just delete it ;)06:51
lifelessok.06:51
slomo_lifeless: and then start tomboy or better add it to your session06:52
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Kamionogra: hmm06:53
lifelessslomo_: would be nie to migrate it for users06:53
ograKamion, it happens even if i ran a slay for the user directly after logout to make sure there are no leftovers from the session06:54
slomo_lifeless: i don't know how this could be done :(06:54
pittielmo: can you please sync pmount from Debian incoming? Matt and Colin approved06:54
lifelessslomo_: so, any hints on sfs-client ?06:54
ogras/ran/run/06:54
lifelessI'm not sure where to look for failure results about it06:54
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slomo_lifeless: sfs-client?06:54
jdubdoko: please. it really shouldn't ship by defauilt anyway. :)06:55
bddebiansfs is broken afaik06:55
mdkewhat does /part mean in the installer when it says "resize /part and use free space"?06:55
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mdkei choose that and it crashed06:55
Kamionmdke: it means there's a bug06:56
dokojdub: already done06:56
mdkeKamion, known?06:56
Kamionsend me /var/log/partman06:56
Kamionmdke: seen it mentioned but haven't diagnosed it; log files good06:56
jdubdoko: rawk.06:56
Kamionthere's meant to be a device name for a partition there06:56
mdkeKamion, how can I capture the log?06:56
Kamionmdke: switch to tty2, 'anna-install openssh-client-udeb', scp it somewher06:56
Kamione06:56
lifelessbddebian: ah, is anyone caring about it ?06:57
mdkeKamion, ok i have to go out now but I think I should be able to do that, will file a bug report06:57
mdkeKamion, it's preview release btw, not daily06:57
bddebianlifeless: It's on the MOTU UniverseUnmetDeps wiki page I think06:57
lifelessdbthanks, I'll have a look06:57
lifelessbddebian: ^^06:57
bddebian:-)06:58
Kamionmdke: right, should be no difference06:58
Kamionthanks06:58
mdkenp, got the log06:59
mdkelater06:59
mdkeKamion, which package?07:05
Kamionmdke: 'partman' to start with07:05
\shelmo: please sync hk-classes-0.7.3-1 from unstable, thx (universe, new package, needed for knoda)07:09
elmo\sh: nothing to sync07:10
elmohk-classes |    0.7.3-1 | breezy/universe | source07:10
\shargl...07:11
\shelmo: thx07:11
Mithrandirelmo: can you sync earth3d 1.0.3-1 from unstable?  It's a new package.07:12
elmodone07:12
Mithrandirthanks07:12
lifelessmdke: my disks got faster in breezy07:14
lifelessbah07:14
lifelessmdz: ^^^07:14
mdzdoko: no inclusion report for zope-plonelanguagetool (seeded to supported)07:14
Mithrandirmdz: can you verify that the new readahead fixes the upgrade problem for you?07:15
dokomdz: hmpf, will add one, yes, that was the one package, which is only recommended by plone07:16
mdzdoko: linguaplone also07:16
mdzdoko: everything else is promoted to main now07:17
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dokomdz: cool07:19
mdzMithrandir: ia32-libs-kde is going to universe unless you say something; it's not used by anything in main07:19
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dokomdz: ia32-libs-kde needs to be added as a dependency to openoffice.org2-kde07:19
doko(on amd64)07:19
mdzMithrandir: The following NEW packages will be installed:07:20
mdz  readahead07:20
mdzMithrandir: readahead looks good, thanks07:20
dokomdz: but you did prompte poppler-utils, not xpdf-utils?07:21
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mdzdoko: yes07:21
Mithrandirmdz: yay, good.07:21
mdzdoko: the builds or whatever are sorted now; germinate is no longer confused07:22
mdzMithrandir: and regarding ia32-libs-kde?07:22
Mithrandirdoko: are you handling the addition of ia32-libs-kde to ooo2-amd64?07:22
Mithrandirdoko: or should I?07:22
dokoMithrandir: I would appreciate, if you could do. (and adding lib32gcj6 addtionally to all places where you find java-gcj-compat)07:23
Mithrandirdoko: adding lib32gcj6 should have been done already, iirc.07:23
Mithrandirdoko: I'll do an upload tomorrow, since it'll take forever from here.07:23
dokoMithrandir: any chance to get openoffice.org-amd64 (1.1.4) for amd64? I'd like to see it in universe, it much more lean than OOo2 and does support languages not yet found in OOo207:24
dokohmm, lib32gcj6 is still in universe07:24
Mithrandirdoko: if ooo 1.1.4 is in universe, sure, I can do that tomorrow.07:25
dokoMithrandir: that would be nice. I'm trying to get 1.1.5 to universe later (having the ability to import docs saved with OOo2), but that's not sure, if I can make it for breezy07:26
lifelessslomo_: tomboy is still a panel app07:27
lifelessslomo_: this is the real cause:07:27
lifelessrobertc@lifelesslap:~$ tomboy 07:27
lifeless** (/usr/lib/tomboy/Tomboy.exe:9717): WARNING **: The following assembly referenced from /usr/lib/tomboy/Tomboy.exe could not be loaded:07:27
lifeless     Assembly:   Mono.Posix    (assemblyref_index=1)07:27
lifeless     Version:    1.0.5000.007:27
lifeless     Public Key: 0738eb9f132ed75607:27
lifelessThe assembly was not found in the Global Assembly Cache, a path listed in the MONO_PATH environment variable, or in the location of the executing assembly (/usr/lib/tomboy).07:27
slomo_lifeless: apt-get --reinstall mono-classlib-1.007:27
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lifelessmm, well sudo aptitude reinstall :)07:28
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mdzdoko: no report for aspell-de-alt07:30
mdzdoko: otoh, myspell-de-de-oldspell has a report but is not germinated07:30
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emilei'm following a bug i commited, it now had the status upstream. Is there somewhere i can find information on bug status and their meaning?07:31
Kamionmdz: can I merge newt to 0.51.6-31? fixes missing bidi support in installer07:31
dokomdz: hmm, yes. these packages are built from the same source as aspell-de and myspell-de-de, which already are in main. really need a report?07:31
jdublifeless: so your bonnie++ results are breezy-positive?07:31
DizietI wonder what happened to that dpkg upload.07:31
mdzKamion: sure; what's our ubuntu-specific delta in newt anyway?07:31
Kamionand apparently improves BIDI support otherwise07:31
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mdzdoko: no, aspell-de-alt is a separate source package: http://people.ubuntu.com/~mdz/anastacia.txt07:32
KamionDiziet: it reached breezy-changes, but you uploaded with iwj@debian.org in changed-by: which isn't on the whitelist so you didn't get notified07:32
Kamionmdz: Xhosa translation (merged in Debian now); python2.407:32
DizietI've just found that by rereading the source.changes.  How did that get there ?07:32
mdzoh, forgot it had a python module07:32
lifelessjdub: yes07:32
lifelessjdub: breezy love++07:33
Mithrandirdoko: if you'd care to file a bug for ooo and ooo2 just asking for an update and assigning them to me, that'd be good.07:33
mdzDiziet: are you not tracking breezy?  you should have seen the binaries appear and be upgraded by now07:33
Kamiongood cjwatson@rookery:~/ubuntu/pool/main/d/dpkg$ tar xzOf dpkg_1.13.10ubuntu3.tar.gz dpkg-1.13.10ubuntu2/debian/changelog | head -n6 | tail -n107:33
Kamion -- Ian Jackson <iwj@debian.org>  Tue, 13 Sep 2005 19:32:44 +010007:33
jdublifeless: ha ha, you wrote 'thomboy' in your email :)07:33
mdzDiziet: iwj@debian.org got there because you used that in changelog07:33
Kamions/^good //07:33
mdzlifeless: if you could follow up to the disk performance thread on ubuntu-devel with your results, that'd be grand07:34
DizietYes, I know it came from the changelog.  I meant which neurons it came from.  I never use that address and who knows where mail to it goes.07:34
Kamionoh07:34
mdzbetter than all the hdparm -T posts07:34
Kamionconfused emacs changelog mode?07:34
DizietPossibly.  I'll have to check.  I should fix my uploading scripts to check for obvious brainos like that.07:34
Kamionsome DEB_* variable07:34
DizietI keep uploading things to `unstable' too.07:34
MithrandirDEBEMAIL, iirc07:35
dokoMithrandir: ok07:35
DizietMaybe I could have it figure it out by looking up the parent directories to find out which hat I was wearing.07:35
lamont__export DEBEMAIL="lamont@ubuntu.com"07:35
lamont__export DEBFULLNAME="LaMont Jones"07:35
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lamont__Mithrandir++07:35
Diziet(setq 'user-mail-address ...)  but of course that affects everything.07:36
lamont__Diziet: I finally just cobbled together a script (uch) which I use for dealing with changelogs - it handles adding the ubuntu version number as needed, etc.07:36
DizietI think for now I'll just put a check in my dpkg-buildpackage wrapper which barfs.07:36
MithrandirDiziet: debian-changelog-mailing-address is what you're looking for.07:36
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Dizietmith: No, because when I mean `everything' I don't mean `every major mode in Emacs' (which would be fine) I mean `every time I edit a changelog in this Emacs' which is too broad.  I edit changelogs with a Debian hat on too.  I suppose I could have different emacsen but that just makes life harder.07:38
Diziet(Debian hat has ian@davenant as the address.)07:38
mdzMithrandir: I think readahead should not invoke its init script in postinst07:39
Mithrandirmdz: heh, it does?  I'll fix that.07:39
mdzSetting up readahead (0.20050328.0142-0ubuntu2) ...07:39
mdz * Reading desktop files...                                              [ ok ] 07:39
mdzMithrandir: thanks07:39
Kamionmdz: did you see the other stuff Edward Trager posted about i18n? various questions of font legality there that we certainly ought to check07:39
mdzKamion: posted where? I'm only just starting in on ubuntu-*07:40
emilei'm following a bug i commited, it now had the status upstream. Is there somewhere i can find information on bug status and their meaning?07:40
emileplease ;-)07:40
Kamionmdz: -devel07:40
Kamionemile: upstream typically means either that it's upstream's responsibility to fix (i.e. "somebody else's problem") or that it's been explicitly forwarded to upstream07:42
jduband when seb marks a bug upstream, you know that there'll be blood to clean up07:42
emileKamion: ok thnx for explaining.07:43
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dokomdz: inclusion reports for aspell-de-old and the two missing zope products done07:52
pittimdz: thanks for catching up with the main inclusion queue07:53
mdzdoko: thanks. Please use the name of the source package to avoid confusion07:54
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dholbachKamion: have fun :)07:54
ogradoko, spe in main ??07:55
mdzdoko: MainInclusionReportOldGermanOrthography is supposed to be for hkgerman, right?07:55
dokomdz: yes, will change it07:55
mdzdoko: I don't see an aspell-de-old package anywhere, neither binary nor source07:55
mdzdoko: and myspell-de-de-oldspell isn't seeded yet07:55
dokomdz: aspell-de-alt ... ohh crap, that's a germish name07:56
Dizietmdz: re 15336: No, the 16bpp bug was gs.08:01
DizietI haven't tried our firefox on 16bpp but I can easily do so.08:02
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dholbachhave a nice evening08:09
pittibye dholbach 08:09
dokohmm, who did drop aspell-de ?08:10
dokosorry, s/de/es/08:10
dokomdz: aspell-de-alt report done08:11
pitti aspell-es |      1.8-4 |        breezy | all08:11
pittidoko: ?08:11
pitti aspell-es | 0.50-2-4ubuntu1 |        breezy | source08:11
pittihmm, odd08:11
dokopitti: anastacia output08:11
pittidoko: l-s-es still depends on it08:12
pittidoko: but the version looks like as if aspell-es was built from another source now08:12
dokomdz: severe bug, you have to shrink the browser window to have the anastacia output scrollable again ;-p08:12
pittidoko: ah, aspell-es is built from espa-nol08:13
dokopitti: ok, then adding it to the seeds should be enough08:13
pittidoko: still odd, why is aspell-es built from two different sources? 08:14
dokomaybe old source, which elmo just removed?08:15
pittidoko: in any case, espa-nol has a higher version, so I guess that source package wins for building aspell-es08:16
pittihmm - I can't baz update the breezy seeds. It complains about a missing gpg key C62AC3F4, but that is not on the key servers08:17
pittiah, Ian08:18
ograpitti, yup08:18
pittiDiziet: can you please upload your gpg key to somewhere so that we can import it?08:18
pittiDiziet: otherwise we can't update the seeds baz archive08:18
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ogramdz, is idle worth to be included in edubuntu ? 08:24
mdzogra: you mean in the default install? I don't think so, no08:27
mdzogra: I think there is too much in the default install already08:27
ograok08:27
ograyup, it is08:27
mdzwe cannot try to provide for everything that someone might teach somewhere08:28
ogra699MB on powerpc... i'm pondering to drop edubuntu-server there...08:28
ogramdz, 15244 starts looking ery odd...08:28
ogravery even08:29
Dizietpitti: I sent it to pgp-public-keys@the.earth.li a day or two ago.08:30
DizietHas it not propagated yet ?08:31
DizietHmm.  No answer from the.08:31
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ograDiziet, doesnt look like http://the.earth.li:11371/pks/lookup?op=vindex&search=C62AC3F408:31
netstarX11 is configured with prefix /usr right?08:32
DizietAs in, no ack from the keyserver.  Indeed.08:32
DizietShould I add it there through the web ui or would you like me to email it somewhere convenient for you ?08:33
DizietI'll have to chase it up with Noodles too.08:33
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ograDiziet, web ui will surely work ...08:33
ograand its up immediately08:33
Diziet`Storing 1 keys' it says.08:34
ogra:)08:35
ograhttp://the.earth.li:11371/pks/lookup?op=vindex&search=C62AC3F408:35
ograthere it is ;)08:35
DizietGood-oh.08:35
mdzogra: I cannot reproduce 1524408:38
mdzogra: logout works perfectly for me08:39
ogramdz, relogin within 10 seconds doesnt08:39
mdzogra: oh, I see08:39
ograit takes between 30 and 50 sec if the connection can be established again after logout08:40
Evasohi guys any hotplug maintainer here?08:40
mdzogra: can we fix it in ldm so that pressing enter logs you in, without having to use the mouse?08:40
ograalso the switch to Xsession pulled a session dbus startup in that doesnt get killed on logout08:40
ogramdz, yes, i just didnt do any work on the old ui... i'll add it, its trivial...08:41
mdzogra: that will happen in a local login, too, then08:41
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ogramdz, hmm, i'll go trying08:41
mdzogra: what causes the second login to fail?08:42
mdzogra: ssh X forwarding fails?08:42
mdzogra: change the ldm ssh command line to include "env;" or something to dump the environment08:43
jbaileyAnyone here have an evms root and/or jfs root system that's failing to work?  I have an initramfs-tools that ought to solve your problems.08:43
ogramdz, i'll do08:43
ogramdz, local login works perfectly08:44
dokomdz: did you make a decision about the rrdtool stuff?08:46
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pvanhoofMy fresh install (on another machine) of Breezy from a testing cd installed a graphical boot thing08:52
pvanhoofhow can I enable this feature on my from-hoary upgraded breezy?08:53
pvanhoofalso note that the update-notifier package has serious dependency problems08:53
mdzdoko: yes, did I not reply?  it's OK with me08:53
pvanhooflike .. it doesn't depend on HAL, but without HAL .. it crashes08:53
pvanhoofand it doesn't depend on the notification-daemon08:53
pvanhoofbut without it .. it won't start (d-bus errors)08:54
pvanhoofand a hoary to breezy upgrade didn't activate it for my user .. perhaps it should have asked for this08:54
dokomdz: cannot find an answer, will request syncs from elmo08:56
pvanhoofhttp://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1552608:58
pvanhoofhf08:58
pablofdebian-installer/locale=pt_BR not works09:00
jordijbailey?09:00
Lathiatpvanhoof: dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-`uname -r`09:01
jbaileyjordi?09:01
Lathiatpvanhoof: make sure you have ubuntu-desktop installed, else you wont have installed the package09:01
pvanhoofwhy reconfigure my kernel Lathiat ?09:01
Lathiatpvanhoof: it regenerates the initramfs to include usplash (graphical boot)09:01
pvanhoofaha09:02
pvanhoofI just installed ubuntu-desktop09:02
pvanhoofand usplash09:02
pvanhoofdid it do the reconfigure for me? or do I need to enforce it?09:02
jbaileyusplash doesn't at the moment.09:03
pvanhoofoh and .. the upgrades installed a new kernel for me09:03
pvanhoofso the `uname -r` trick wont work right?09:03
jbaileyDepends if the ABI changed.09:03
jbaileySo if uname -r gives you the same as the new kernel name.09:04
pvanhoof2.6.12-8-38609:04
jbaileyThen you'll be fine.09:04
jbaileyin fact, it may have alreayd happened for you, then.09:04
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jordijbailey: we need a new locale in breezy's glibc09:04
jbaileyjordi: The khurdish one?09:04
jordijbailey: if you could grab ku_TR from belocs and stick it in, that would be more than enough09:05
jordiyup09:05
pvanhoofalways funny :). I just installed a new system with breezy .. and it looked way cooler than this laptop on which I upgraded from hoary09:05
jordipvanhoof: that's what new GNOME defaults do :)09:05
jbaileyjordi: I still want to convince you to just feed me all of these from Rosetta.. =)09:05
pvanhoofI guess, yes09:05
jordijbailey: of course that's a medium term goa.09:05
jordijbailey: and we need to talk to denis about this stuff :)09:06
jbaileyjordi: 'kay.  I'm going to put in for a UBZ BoF around "Generating locales from Rosetta".  I wonder if we could get him on an irc chat during a session for that?09:06
jordijbailey: should be doable, if he sets date & time09:07
jordithat's a good idea09:07
jbaileyDo you know what timezone he's in?09:07
jordijbailey: make sure you lead, I'm second or whatever09:07
jordiCET/CEST09:07
jbaileyYup, And I suspect Martin Pitt interested.09:07
jordiheh, surely :)09:08
maeWhy the rabid componentization of xorg?09:08
jbaileyI'd just love to see us not import Belochs but strip locales out of glibc completely and have it updated by the langpacks mechanism.09:08
jbaileyHave belochs seed and update rosetta where it can.09:08
pittijbailey: yes, I'd like to join the locales BoF of course; Colin should, too09:09
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lamont__Rejected: gtk2-engines-xfce_2.2.7-1_amd64.deb: old version (2.3.0cvs20050306-2) in breezy-autotest >= new version (2.2.7-1) targeted at breezy-autotest.09:15
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pittiDiziet: got your key now, thanks09:23
fabbionemdz: unping.. don't worry thanks09:24
mdzfabbione: ok, going for lunch now, sms if needed09:24
pittimdz: about ocaml-native-compilers: we had the discussion recently, and there is not really a compelling reason to not support it; can I just seed it?09:24
fabbionemdz: enjoy :) i will be around a bit more 09:24
mdzpitti: yes09:24
ografabbione, have you seen how 14967 evolved ? 09:25
fabbioneogra: no09:26
ografabbione, its definately inotify sending wrong events... it seems09:27
fabbioneogra: it seems or it does?09:27
ograaccording to seb128's tests it does09:28
\shfabbione: it does...09:28
ografor all directorys except /usr/share/applications09:28
ograand according to the last comment also for singel files09:29
ograsingle even09:29
fabbioneogra: you mean that it sends wrong notifications for all dirs except /usr/share/applications ?09:29
fabbionethan you should try to see what makes /usr/share/applications special.. is perhaps the first in the list or the last in the list?09:30
fabbioneif so, is the test case reproducible using another dir as first/last?09:30
ografabbione, i think /usr/share/applications is hardcoded as default anywhere... everything monitored dynamically seems to break09:30
\shfabbione: u can use the test suite and set something else..put your machine under load and wait09:30
fabbioneogra: the kernel doesn't have any hardcoded path09:31
\shogra: it has nothing to do with /usr/share/applications09:31
ografabbione, gnome-menus probably...09:31
ogra\sh, butits contents dont disappear09:31
fabbione\sh: i don't have a machine. i have been without workstation for 3 days by now. so no i can't test.. if i could, i would have done it days ago09:31
fabbioneogra: what happen if you use the test tool outside X/gnome?09:31
fabbioneogra: like in init 1 ?09:32
fabbioneor just don't run anything X related or that uses gamin09:32
\shfabbione: the same...the dir which is watched as default stays...but all other subdirs disappear09:32
fabbione\sh: in console?09:32
\shfabbione: yes09:32
fabbionewithout X running?09:32
\shyes09:32
\shand only when load is bashing the machine09:33
\shso load raising to 1 and it starts09:33
fabbione\sh: what comment is that in the bug report?09:33
\shfabbione: I have to fill that it...09:33
\shfabbione: I checked it yesterday and forgot to make a copy'n'paste..09:34
\shgive me 2 hours more :)09:34
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\shwell...I can do it now...let me shutdown everything...brb09:38
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\shre from console09:51
\shfabbione: disabled now all X stuff...09:52
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jordipitti: what about different langpacks for universe, not in the same one?10:00
pittijordi: that's of course an option10:01
seb128no language packs for universe10:01
pittijordi: but it would bloat the archive even further10:01
seb128pitti: are you kidding me?10:01
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ograjordi, found a MOTUi18n team ;)10:01
seb128pitti: that would mean to install the .mo from the whole universe to get 1 translation?10:01
pittiseb128: mark asked for universe translation _updates_10:01
pittiseb128: we won't strip universe packages10:02
\shgrmpf10:02
pittiseb128: but mark wanted rosetta updates to actually appear somewhere10:02
\shmy / ran out of space *gnarf*10:02
stoseb128: what about a hook for apt to get individual package translations?10:03
seb128pitti: k, I guess nobody will them :)10:03
seb128sto: an evol hack? no thanks10:03
seb128evol/evil/10:03
stoit does not need to be evil10:04
seb128you are welcome to send a non-evil hack10:04
seb128I doubt you will get one10:04
pittisto: we discussed that to death at the last conference10:05
pittisto: (and at the one before that)10:05
stopitti: maybe I'm wrong, but something like putting the translations on a new language can do it10:05
pittisto: in the end we found that inventing a second archive structure is evil10:05
stopitti: no need of second archive10:05
stoLANGUAGES="es_ES@updated:es_ES"10:06
stoYou put updates on the non standard local10:06
stoe10:06
seb128that is evil10:06
stoseb128: why?10:06
seb128because creating new language creates issues and is ugly10:06
stougly, yes10:06
stosure10:06
zygahello :)10:07
zygatranslations on the table as I see :)10:07
stobut if the programs use gettext it should work10:07
stoyou are not creating a new language10:07
stoonly an updated catalog10:08
stoLANG should be left as usual10:08
pittisto: what should be the benefit of that?10:08
stopitti: updated translations without touching 10.000 packages10:08
stoAnd the user can easily turn it on/off10:08
pittisto: hm? we don't touch 10.000 packages when we update translations - just the langpacks10:08
seb128sto and you would have no translation for non-updated packages10:09
stoseb128: wrong10:09
zygawhat is the issue with simply generating a new langpack for each language every week or so?10:09
seb128sto: you use 1 locale, es_ES@updated or es_ES10:09
stoif the messages are not in es_ES@updated, the ones on es_ES are used10:09
seb128sto: you are reinventing what language-packs are10:09
seb1282 differents dirs10:10
seb128one with updates10:10
stoseb128: yes10:10
stobut the apt hook should only get the translations I want, not everything10:10
jordiah, I opened a can of worms when I have to leave the house10:10
seb128that doesn't work10:11
jordisorry. :)10:11
ogra*giggle*10:11
seb128apt manages packages10:11
stosure10:11
seb128so you need a zillion of packages10:11
stoand the hook gets only .mo files10:11
jordiogra: this archive bloat might be worth to not bloat the main package langpacks10:11
stoNot packages10:12
stoAnd it i s *optional*10:12
stoNo need to use it if you don't want10:12
seb128apt installing something different of .deb packages is what I call an evil hack10:12
pittisto: hm, so exactly what are you trying to solve?10:12
seb128pitti: getting the .mo just for the apps installed10:13
ograjordi, yup10:13
seb128pitti: and not installing a language pack with a ton of translations you'll not use10:13
stoseb128: right, just that10:13
pittisto: ah, I see. Please let me assure to you that we discussed that at least 5 times10:13
seb128sto: we have discussed that for months10:13
pittisto: every other way is much more broken than our current one10:14
stopitti: I'm sure I'm not original10:14
pittisto: we can't produce a language pack for every application and every language - that would make the archive explode10:14
pittisto: and the Packages.gz file alone would use half of your hd10:14
stopitti: no need for packages10:14
pittisto: without packages you create even more problems10:15
mjg59mdz: You missed the -B 1 in the init script10:15
mjg59I'll remove that now10:15
pittisto: you can't put them on CDs, you lose the mirror network, you are reinventing apt10:15
stopitti: you can put them on CD, using a tarfile and a mapping package->.mo files10:15
seb128pitti: you need to know if there is an update, etc ... as pitti said you are reinventing a packaging system10:16
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stopitti: it's almost the same as the langpacks on that case10:16
stoseb128: sure, but a specialized one10:16
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pittisto: yes, but apt and the deb structure already solve that for us, we would only duplicate it10:16
stopitti: well, the solution can be implemented with apt10:17
seb128sto: you can make a zillions of deb, right .. that would make the package index and the mirror and the users unhappy10:17
pittisto: we even discussed crazy ideas like generating debs on the fly10:17
stoseb128: no, you can get langpacks and only install the files needed, not all10:18
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seb128sto: to install them you have to list all the files, to handle version, to get them by a way, etc10:18
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stoseb128: well, maybe a langpack can be an index of the files and to get them you can use a different method10:19
mjg59elmo: The conversation with Ian started almost identically to the one with "Bruce"10:19
stoseb128: how big are your langpacks?10:20
seb128sto: now think about the different method, how it would work, etc ... you will probably conclude that apt is already here and does this job and use an existant structure with mirrors, etc instead of redoing that from scratch10:20
seb128sto:would be for the whole archive ? 15000 packages ,50 locales ? 750 000 mo files 10:20
stoseb128: yes, for the whole archive10:21
stoseb128: only one language, of course10:21
seb128sto: why only one? the structure has to host all the languages10:21
seb128sto: and I use several locales here10:21
stoseb128: then you install one langpack per language10:22
stoseb128: I'm only trying to know how big is a langpack update10:22
stofor one language10:22
seb128pitti: question for you10:22
stoIf I want 10, I know I need 10*size_of_langpack10:23
stoEach time it gets updated10:23
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seb128depending of the update10:23
seb128how many translations changed, etc10:23
pittisto: for a well translated language like french or german, a langpack deb is about 4 MB10:23
Nafallojbailey: ping10:24
stopitti: for all the archive?10:24
jbaileyNafallo: Pong10:24
pittisto: that is the sum of base and update and gnome and main10:24
Nafallojbailey: hi! are anything soundisch loaded already in the initramfs? :-)10:24
pittisto: for main10:24
jbaileyNafallo: *sound*10:24
jbaileyIs this so that the Ubuntu logo can sing at you, too? =)10:24
stopitti: how many packages?10:25
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pittisto: in the magnitude of 40010:25
Nafallohehe, no. trying to figure out why my module argument doesn't do what upstream says it should do ;-).10:25
Nafallonice idea though :-P10:25
stopitti: so for everithing it can be 10 times that?10:26
seb128sto: no, 400 to 1500010:26
jbaileyNafallo: There generally ought not to be.  If you do a modules=dep in /etc/mkinitramfs/initramfs.conf, I suppose it might but it in, though.10:26
pittisto: what is "everything"?10:26
seb128sto: everything doesn't ship an mo though ...10:26
stopitti: all the components of the archive, including universe10:26
stoseb128: sure10:27
seb128sto: what are you trying to argue?10:27
seb128sto: let's do the implementation and come with a patch, then we will discuss about it10:27
pittisto: if we would create language-pack-universe update packages, you would get another 20010:27
Nafallojbailey: haven't touched the file :-). I touched /etc/hotplug/pci/snd-via82xx though :-P10:27
pittisto: if we put the universe updates into the existing update packages, we would not get any new package at all10:27
jbaileyNafallo: Eh?  What are you trying to do?10:27
Nafallojbailey: tell whatever load the module to load it with ac97_quirk=hp_only10:28
stoseb128: ok, I was simply trying to know if it made sense in the first place10:28
stoseb128: if the update is small it makes no sense, langpacks are ok10:28
jbaileyNafallo: The simplest thing to do is either just put your file and the options in /etc/modules10:28
seb128sto: we discussed that for several meeting with everybody from the distro team, we have mails about that for weeks, we had real discussions about that10:29
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Nafallojbailey: ah. wasn't sure that file was deprecated or not ;-).10:29
Nafallojbailey: thanx :-)10:29
seb128sto: we didn't take the first random b0rked idea to use it10:29
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stoseb128: ok, forget about it, I don't want to convince any of you of anything10:30
Nafallojbailey: personally I suggest upstream is wrong though :-P10:30
seb128sto: no, you just want to say we are all stupid and you will come with a better system with 10 min of discussion :)10:31
jbaileyNafallo: Sorry, what are they wrong about? =)10:31
stoseb128: no, I'm not saying you are stupid10:31
seb128sto: was a joke, don't worry10:31
Nafallojbailey: my Headphones volumething does _not_ merge with Master and disappear :-P10:31
stoseb128: I simply would like to have a good solution to the problem10:32
Nafalloanyway, reboot :-)10:33
stoseb128: but I have not seen a really good one (I don't belive what I say is a good idea, I'm sure it would have a lot of problems)10:33
seb128sto: everybody wants that, languagepack is the best we found after weeks of discussions10:33
stoseb128: yes, we are doing something similar, but they also seem a hack to me10:33
pittisto: feel free to add some ideas to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LanguagePacks10:34
stoI'll take a look, thanks10:34
stoHave to go, bye10:34
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karlhegjbailey, You there?10:36
jbaileykarlheg: Yup, /msg'd you as soon as you logged in. =)10:36
karlhegI see it.10:36
karlhegI've got the patch in front of me.  What do you want to know?10:37
jbaileyYour patch redoes the move-/dev code without any explanation as to why.10:37
karlhegIt follows the same steps that the /etc/init.d/udev does; I thought that would be better.10:38
ajmitchmorning10:38
bddebianHeya ajmitch10:38
karlhegAlso, it's moving things to ${rootmnt}; it looks like the other one does not.10:39
karlhegAh... /root/dev  ... but shouldn't it use the variable ${rootmnt}?10:39
Nafallohmm, didn't help10:39
jbaileyYes, that's probably true. =)10:40
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karlhegI have not solved the problem with file names that have '-' in them.  The manual should probably simply document that, and a loud README ought to go in /etc/mkinitramfs telling of it... or perhaps mkinitramfs should check the file name syntax as a fail-safe.10:41
jbaileyI had avoided the move to /etc/udev since it didn't make any sense, I could just move it directly onto the already existing /dev directory.10:42
bmontyelmo: ping10:42
jbaileyThe mount -n usage, and the ${rootdev} are certainly right, though.10:43
jbaileyYeah, I need to document that "-" is a sucky character for hooks.10:43
jbaileyI couldn't think of any sane way around it.10:43
karlhegnomeata, it's moving ${rootmnt}/dev to ${rootmnt}/etc/udev.10:43
\shhmm....10:43
karlhegThat's to preserve a static /dev, right?10:44
jbaileyIt's to make sure you can still access it if you need.  I think MAKEDEV is hacked somehow to drop device files there still or something.10:44
\shfabbione: I can't reproduce it *grmpf* what did do yesterday to get it10:44
karlhegThen in the tmpfs dev that we move to ${rootmnt}, a mount point is created and it's move there.10:44
karlhegSure, so it needs to be put where it will be expected.10:45
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\shseb128 / ogra: on the console with nothing then 2 pbuilder and mp3blaster running no inotify bug..load is actually at 310:45
seb128is it fixed?10:46
\shseb128: no10:46
ograseb128, fabbione asked to test without X10:46
\shseb128: yesterday I reproduced it also on the console...but I think I missed X stuff10:46
karlhegAnyone else have trash applet leave up a progress window after dumping trash?10:46
jbaileykarlheg: I'm still too squirmy about changing the version variable for now.  I'd really rather look at that post-breezy.10:46
jbaileykarlheg: It's not an interesting enough change to be worth risking that some crazy part of LTSP that's not in the usual archive needs it.10:47
karlhegNo package that requires 'mkinitramfs' uses it.10:47
karlhegCan we email the ltsp people and clear it with them?10:47
jbaileyogra might now.10:48
karlhegOR: export both 'version' and 'VERSION' for now, deprecating 'version'.10:48
jbaileyogra: ^^/10:48
jbailey?10:48
ograjbailey, rather mdz10:48
\shseb128 / ogra: so something else is playing a really nasty game...if inotify is running cleanly on the console (without X running), then how can we find a better test case?10:48
karlhegIt would be better to just have everyone use VERSION.10:48
karlhegThat's the name that 'mkinitrd' uses, IIRC.10:48
jbaileyogra: Yeah, but he's insanely busy, I try to ask anyone else first. =)10:48
jbaileyogra: Thanks, though. =)10:48
karlhegIIRC, that's what prompted me to change it.10:48
seb128how can xorg have an influence on the linux code?10:48
jbaileykarlheg: Fair 'nuff.10:48
\shseb128: xorg? or gnome10:49
ograjbailey, i just cant give an immediate answer10:49
seb128how can this impact on linux?10:49
karlhegI should have been working on this more earlier on..10:49
seb128I mean it's not supposed to have any userland stuff breaking it10:49
\shseb128: I don't know...we need a kernel hacker ,-)10:49
karlhegmdz is insanely busy.  He replies to EVERY email in the list... ;-)10:49
\shI'm not able to debug the kernel side of the game10:49
seb128that's like an app crahshing xorg, that's xorg's fault usually10:49
seb128whatever an app do xorg should not crash10:49
ograjbailey, but i have enough worrying bugs to care for with ltsp, i wouldnt like to risk anything here10:50
seb128whatever xorg do inotify should be robust10:50
\shseb128: this is not so easy...10:50
seb128it is10:51
karlhegogra, do you maintain the initramfs support for LTSP?10:51
seb128if inotify got broken that's inotify bog10:51
ograkarlheg, nope10:51
ograkarlheg, but i work on the code from time to time...10:51
jbaileykarlheg: When you're doing patches, can you do them with diff -up, btw?  It'll include the name of the shell function in the header.10:51
karlhegogra, The specific question is whether it, or any part of LTSP that runs from the hooks that are called by 'mkinitramfs', uses the ${version} variable exported by mkinitramfs?10:52
\shseb128: or it's playing a bad game with us...and the bug is somewhere else10:52
karlhegjbailey, Ok; I'll try and remember that.  I just used 'bzr diff'.10:52
jbaileykarlheg: Ah, thanks.  I'll ask them to consider using that as a default.10:53
seb128\sh: between inotify-utils and inotify ? I doubt so10:53
\shseb128: what was the bug number again?10:53
\shseb128: I'm trying to reproduce this with kde10:53
karlhegogra, I've dl the ltsp package source, and could not find any use of that variable.  The thing is that we want to change it from ${version} to ${VERSION}.10:53
seb1281496710:53
Riddell\sh: KDE doesn't have any such problems10:53
\shRiddell: it has nothing to do with the menu10:53
ograRiddell, all KDE apps have ...10:54
seb128Riddell: sure, KDE fixes inotify linux code ...10:54
\shRiddell: it's a common gamin/inotify bug10:54
\sheven if seb128 doesn't want to hear gamin ;)10:54
seb128\sh: it happens with inotify-utils10:54
\sh but if something is there in relation between kernel-inotify and X/gnome/kde/bla 10:54
Riddellby which I mean KDE does not display the same menu problem as gnome is displaying.  you're a protectionist bunch10:54
Nafallogamin, gajim, gaim: stupid packages! :-P10:55
\shseb128: yes...but in X environment, in the moment speaking of gnome10:55
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\shRiddell: forget the menu10:55
\shRiddell: this is only the user display of the bug10:55
\shRiddell: try the inotify-utils10:55
seb128Riddell: does KDE use inotify to update its menus?10:55
ograkarlheg, i dont see such reference either, but i build edubuntu on top of the ltsp package and i'm late with the ditro, i cant risk any additional breakage at this time of the development cycle10:55
Riddellseb128: yes but I suspect not so tightly coupled10:55
\shok...I'll enter the kde horizon..brb10:56
seb128weird that it doesn't react to inotify events so10:56
Riddellis there a way to see what inotify watches are active?10:56
ograRiddell, 1496710:57
ograthere is a tgz with tools10:57
karlhegogra, I'm 99.9% certain that it won't break anything since there is no reference to a variable named ${VERSION} from anything called from the initramfs/*/hooks/* script.10:57
jbaileykarlheg: It really sounds like a depreceate-and-remove-after breezy.10:57
karlhegjbailey, Nobody's using that variable at all yet.10:57
jbaileyThe problem is that your 99.9% keeps us up all night hunting bugs if you're wrong. =)10:57
ograkarlheg, whats the benefit of changing it now ? 10:58
karlhegogra, Not having anything using it by the old name.10:58
karlheg'usplash' will use ${VERSION} if they take my patch.10:58
karlheg... so we need both if anything at all uses ${version} unless 'usplash' is set up with the lower-case name.10:59
HiddenWolfcrimsun, can you please learn alsa to respect my mixer settings while upgrading...10:59
karlhegI wanted it upper case for consistency with other variable names exported by 'mkinitramfs' for use by the hooks.10:59
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crimsunHiddenWolf: upgrading or dist-upgrading?10:59
karlheg${DESTDIR}, etc.10:59
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\shback 11:00
HiddenWolfcrimsun, dist-upgrading11:00
karlhegAlso: Is there any other information that mkinitramfs knows that a hook script might need?11:00
karlheg(for next cycle)11:00
crimsunHiddenWolf: audigy 1, correct?11:00
LaschWAnyone noticed system hangs due to xorg-driver-fglrx and linux-restricted-modules-2.6.12_6.8.0-8.16.20-0ubuntu4?11:01
karlhegSo far, nothing uses 'initramfs-tools' except for 'usplash', 'ltsp-client', and 'linux-image-*'.11:02
spaynethe Human icon theme seems to be broken11:03
spayneknown issue?11:03
ograkarlheg, i think you should write a mail to -devel to have a bit broader discussion11:03
karlhegThat's such a small set, it seems managable.  I've looked at all of their mkinitramfs hook scripts... 'usplash' and 'ltsp-client' as source, and the 'linux-image-2.6.12-8-686' as installed.11:03
\shok...load is 311:03
karlhegogra, Ok.11:04
\shinotify test is running on /usr/share/applications/11:04
karlhegjbailey, Before I write, are there any other issues with the patch?11:04
karlhegWhat about the move from /etc/mkinitramfs/*-top ... to /etc/mkinitramfs/scripts?11:05
karlhegThat cannot affect any known package either, since none of them install conffiles there; none could have, since there was not previously any code in mkinitramfs that actually copied scripts from there.  That code is added by this patch.11:05
jbaileykarlheg: As you said, nothing could've been using them so far.  I just have to lookup how to move scripts that people might have put in there.11:05
jbaileyRight, I'm not worried about packages, those should all use /usr/sharea.11:06
jbaileyBut I need to make sure anything a user thinkgs (s)he put in there gets moved.11:06
karlhegjbailey, If they did, they must have had to write a hook for /etc/mkinitramfs/hooks.  That's what I did at first.11:06
jbaileyNothing big, just work to do.11:06
karlhegHow about a NEWS entry, and call it good, since this is devel cycle?11:07
\shhmmm....11:07
karlhegIt's a minor change, given that the old scripts did not get copied anyhow.11:07
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jbaileyNo, I think where it's possible to do the right thing, it's still a good idea.11:08
karlhegHow about a test in preinst that looks for any files in the old location, and warns?  But that's bad on non-interactive install... though it will be the rare case that message is ever printed.11:08
karlhegMy bet is that less than 50 people have any kind of custom script so far...  (start a pool?  5 point spread.)11:09
jbaileykarlheg: Looks like bzr uses internal difflib.  It's not worth the hassle of customising it just for this,11:10
\shseb128: there is nothing happening...not so much as in gnome environment 11:10
karlhegIs that the difflib from python2.1-difflib that is part of python now?11:12
karlhegPerhaps it has a conffile?11:12
jbaileyYup11:12
jbaileyIt just doesn't support that option.11:12
jbaileyNo worries.  bzr can use an external diff if you need, but it's not worth it.11:12
jbaileyI was hoping to ask them to change it to use -up as a sane default if they were using an external diff anyway.11:12
jbaileyI'll poke bob2 to see what he thinks of this as a default for the .deb, but I'm not fussed.11:13
ograRiddell, does KDE use gamin ?11:13
\shogra: yes shermann 30365     1  0 22:57 ?        00:00:00 /usr/lib/gamin/gam_server11:13
ograhmm11:13
\shogra: but the output from inotify stuff is different then in gnome11:13
karlhegjbailey, Ok, so two issues:  version --> VERSION, and /etc/mkinitramfs/*-top ... --> /etc/mkinitramfs/scripts/11:14
karlhegAnything else?11:14
\shogra: with gnome I have more events happening, now with kde only sometimes...not every minute at least one app pulling something11:14
jbaileyJust not being sure how much of the rework you did for moving /dev is necessary.  I'll make it use ${rootmnt} and mount -n, though.11:14
jbaileyYou don't need to resend for that, I'll do it myself easily enough.11:14
\shogra: and I have the same load as yesterday...and on the console with nothing running then 2 pbuilder and mp3 player + irssi and inotify stuff == nothing11:15
karlhegjbailey, Please show that portion of the diff to the 'udev' maintainer for a second opinion.  I think that it's necessary to do it the way I have it written.  Let's mull it over, step by step:11:15
\shno delete event, no "going away"11:15
karlhegAh, wait...11:16
jbaileykarlheg: It can't be completely necessary, it's working in production now. =)11:16
karlhegOk, you may be right; I see now.11:16
\shogra: I'm going nuts with this11:17
karlhegYou make the directory inside the tmpfs first, then bind mount the static ${rootmnt}/dev onto it before move mounting the tmpfs onto the ${rootmnt}/dev.11:17
karlhegThat's the same thing with fewer steps.11:17
ogra\sh, me too11:17
karlhegSo unless that bind mount breaks when you move the parent directory, it ought to work fine.11:17
karlhegI bet it does not break since the entire tree is moved.11:18
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karlhegI'll take your version when I 'bzr pull' next time around.11:18
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karlhegAnything from the 'usplash' people wrt log_*_msg etc?11:19
HiddenWolfcrimsun, sorry, internet connection is flaky. did you respond?11:19
jbaileykarlheg: Right.  The kernel rearranges all that internally.11:20
crimsun14:00 < crimsun> HiddenWolf: audigy 1, correct?11:20
jbaileyLemme look at your usplash stuff again.  I've only reviewed the insmod bits so far.11:20
HiddenWolfcrimsun, audigy 2, since I've gotten it to work.11:20
Riddellmdz: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MainInclusionReportAdept11:20
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karlhegjbailey, Do you think that all the 'local _varname' stuff is overkill?11:21
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HiddenWolfseb128, my gtkfilechooser dialog is showing me 2 non-existant files....11:21
\shogra: updated 1496711:21
jbaileykarlheg: "local" isn't posix, I don't even know if busybox supports it.11:21
karlhegjbailey, I'm just trying to keep namespaces clean;11:21
crimsunHiddenWolf: bug? I remember reading it, but I'm trying to fix a more critical one atm (kernel oops)11:21
sladenogra: where do Edubuntu bugs go?11:22
karlhegIt's overkill anyhow, I guess.11:22
jbaileyRight.  I've been trying to move to where local variables are prepended with their functionname.11:22
HiddenWolfcrimsun, I'll check for a bug number, or post one.11:22
jbaileyor an abbreviation of it.11:22
jbaileyEspecially since I like using 'x' for loops. =)11:22
sladenogra: malone or bugzilla/product=Ubuntu ?11:22
seb128HiddenWolf: what files?11:22
HiddenWolfcrimsun, I just spent half an hour searching for the problem when an alsa upgrade closed my line-in11:22
karlhegI always use the first letter of the name of the thing I'm looping over, like f for file, or m for module.11:23
HiddenWolfseb128, a folder and a .torrent file that I deleted. Nautilus doesn't show them, they're in trash.11:23
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ograsladen, everything in edubuntu is in main ;)11:23
ograso bugzilla11:23
jbaileyFor the initramfs modules, the modules.d/usplash can't contain fbconf and vga16b.  IIRC, there was some case where they shouldn't be auto-loaderd.11:23
karlhegI like the edubuntu art work.  I installed it to see and it looks very nice.11:23
jbaileyAnything in modules is forcably loaded, it's just a shortcut that behaves the same as /etc/mkinitrd/modules11:23
\shhmmm..11:23
karlhegjbailey, Right.  The patch I sent to them removes that file.11:24
jbaileyogra: Thinking of which, Will you have edubuntu usplash artwork? =)11:24
sladenogra: as is everything in Kubuntu ...but that as a separate product11:24
\shseb128 / ogra: I'm running now a debug session on the gam_server11:24
karlhegThey cannot be force loaded in case the user boots with vesafb.11:24
jbaileykarlheg: Whups, I was looking at the first patch in 1512911:24
jbaileykarlheg: Might be better to upload patches to bugzilla rather than posting them inline.  Bugzilla includes the ability to say that a newer patch obsoletes the old one.11:24
karlhegjbailey, Ah.  Ok.11:25
karlhegI'll remember that.  Should I repost it?11:25
karlhegIf you have writes, perhaps you can remove the patches from the comment text?11:25
ograjbailey, i'll try to donate some hours on the weekend to that11:25
karlhegIs anyone else having trouble with the trashapplet?11:26
jbaileyogra: I can supply you the one I did, but I used a paintbrush to draw an "E D" over the Ubuntu logo for my testing. =)11:26
karlhegWhen you empty trash, does it leave the progress meter on screen?11:26
ograheh11:26
HiddenWolfseb128, illustrating: http://www.geocities.com/hiddenwolfsof/screenshot.png11:27
jbaileykarlheg: Nope, not important.  It's just convenient if you're posting patches in the future.  BZ's support for patches as attachments is surprisingly good.11:27
ograjbailey, mail it, probably some cleaning is enough ;)11:27
jbaileykarlheg: I tend to apply patches by hand, but in-body, this would lose all of the tabs, etc.  and attached patch file preserves it.11:28
seb128HiddenWolf: which one is wrong?11:28
jbaileyogra: dude, no, not at all.  I didn't even use my tablet for it, I used my mouse. =)11:28
karlhegjbailey, I will repost it there the right way.11:28
seb128HiddenWolf: hum, I've deleted them before opening the fileselector?11:28
jbaileykarlheg: Totally no worries.  This is small enough to not bother.11:28
ograjbailey, i do all my artwork with my touchpad... nobody complained yet ;)11:28
jbaileyAhaha, serious?11:28
ograyup11:28
jbaileyI bought a Wacom tablet for my wife ages ago.11:29
HiddenWolfseb128, filechooser is wrong11:29
\shjbailey: he's serious ;)11:29
jbaileyMostly we use it for better freecell games now.11:29
HiddenWolfseb128, those files have been deleted for days.11:29
seb128HiddenWolf: how weird11:29
ograjbailey, i have a stac of wacoms, but i didnt use them since ages11:29
jbaileyI cut about 10% off my score with a pen. =)11:29
ograstack even11:29
jbaileys/score/time/11:29
\shogra: and u didn't tell me ;)11:30
Lathiatfabbione: did the new kernel benc uploaded include that fix11:30
jbaileyogra: http://people.ubuntu.com/~jbailey/edubuntu.png11:30
HiddenWolfseb128, trash cleaned out, doesn't change it. :P11:30
ogra\sh, 2 are in hannover, 2 are in some moving box and not even unpacked11:31
jbaileyI have a Kubuntu one in a similar style. =)11:31
ograjbailey, hmm, that needs *some* cleanup *g*11:31
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jbaileyYeah, not enough colour depths to put a horse on there. =)11:32
ogralol11:32
seb128HiddenWolf: weird11:32
jbaileyHmm, I should decruft my homedir sometime after breezy releases.11:32
karlhegjbailey, the usplash patch is uploaded to https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1512911:33
HiddenWolfseb128, ls actually shows that nautilus is wrong...11:33
seb128ah ah11:33
seb128less weird now :)11:33
seb128\sh: EVENT ON WD=111:33
seb128DELETE_SELF (file) 0x0000040011:33
jbaileykarlheg: Nice, thanks.11:34
seb128\sh: that's from GNOME without using gnome-panel11:34
karlhegI used 'smeg' a while ago, when I was running Hoary, to edit the menus.  I want to revert to default Breezy menus, but smeg does not seem to have an option for that.11:34
\shseb128: check my last logfiles...I updated just now running KDE11:34
\shseb128: inotify and gamin debug11:34
HiddenWolfseb128, does it make any sense?11:34
\shseb128: nothing..no no no DELETE_SELF stuff11:34
seb128\sh: I don't have KDE to try from it11:35
\shseb128: but I have :) and just now a load of 3 11:35
seb128HiddenWolf: not really ... do you have a .hidden ?11:35
\shsince 45 mins actually11:35
seb128\sh: you said the other day it's not load dependend for you11:35
HiddenWolfseb128, no11:36
\shseb128: yes....but I didn't realize that my load was 1 when I was running rhythmbox :(11:36
\shseb128: since I started with debugging I had quite a closer look on my system...11:36
seb128\sh: I've it without nautilus or gnome-panel running11:37
\shseb128: what is it...11:37
seb128let me try from wmaker :)11:37
\shand now...11:38
\shlet me start evolution11:38
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\shhmmm11:42
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seb128happens from wmaker with no GNOMish stuff used11:44
Burgundaviajbailey, that is quite the well polished edubuntu boot splash there11:44
jbaileyBurgundavia: It's a new artstyle.  I'm trying to bring the joy of fingerpainting to the digital world.11:44
jbaileyIt *is* supposed to be a distro for schools, after all. =)11:45
Lathiatjbailey: haha11:45
\shseb128: nothing at my place...11:45
Lathiatnice image11:45
\shseb128: even with evolution gnome-panel started on kde;)11:45
seb128\sh: you are under KDE? nothing happens even with some load?11:45
HiddenWolfseb128, Attachment #3830  to Bug #15545 Created11:46
seb128\sh: do you use esd?11:46
\shseb128: nothing as i said11:46
\shseb128: no11:46
seb128could you try with it ?11:46
\shseb128: on gnome yes11:46
\shseb128: sure11:46
seb128HiddenWolf: thanks but this bug is useless as it and I don't get the issue11:47
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HiddenWolfseb128, hm, issue is that the files seem to exist but nautilus thinks they are deleted.11:47
HiddenWolfseb128, or the files are deleted but ls and gtkfilechooser are wrong, that's an option too.11:48
seb128ls beeing wrong is not an option11:48
\shseb128: ok...esd started...rhythmbox started ....11:48
karlhegHiddenWolf, 'ls' cannot be wrong.11:48
HiddenWolfThen it's nautilus.11:48
seb128ctrl-R changes something?11:48
karlhegHiddenWolf, Of course.11:48
karlhegHiddenWolf, Do they go away when you click its refresh button?11:49
HiddenWolfseb128, no. files have been 'deleted' in nautilus a few days ago.11:49
seb128and nautilus is running for a few days ?11:49
seb128or have you restarted it ?11:49
HiddenWolfseb128, rebooted 4 times today alone.11:49
seb128xfiles11:49
HiddenWolfseb128, ?11:49
seb128that makes no sense11:50
seb128files are here11:50
seb128you have rebooted11:50
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HiddenWolfseb128, I'm not messing with you, nautilus does not show them.11:50
seb128and nautilus doesn't list them11:50
\shseb128: have itt11:50
seb128\sh: since you use esd? :)11:50
Lathiatcan you get build logs for packages from debian?11:50
\shseb128: yes...but not in the inotify11:50
seb128\sh: how "not in the inotify"?11:51
karlhegHiddenWolf, What are the permissions of the directories on the path and of the files you cannot see?11:51
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\shseb128: not in the inotify output of the test suite...only in the gamin server11:52
\shseb128: inotify: resource /home/shermann/.kde/share/apps/kicker/psi.desktop went away. Adding it to missing list11:52
\shinotify: Emitting Deleted on /home/shermann/.kde/share/apps/kicker/psi.desktop11:52
seb128karlheg: good question, if there is an issue that's probably something like that :)11:52
\shinotify: got an event for unknown wd 85711:52
\shinotify: resource /home/shermann/.kde/share/apps/kicker/konqbrowser.desktop went away. Adding it to missing list11:52
\shinotify: Emitting Deleted on /home/shermann/.kde/share/apps/kicker/konqbrowser.desktop11:52
\shseb128: and no sign of kde involvement11:52
seb128KDE doesn't react to events11:52
HiddenWolfkarlheg, just plain permissions, how do I check it from the command line?11:52
seb128it's KDE bog :p11:52
seb128HiddenWolf: ls -l <folder>11:53
\shseb128: *lol* 11:53
karlhegHmmm... Gimmee a minute.11:53
\shseb128: but I got them first when I started esd and rhythmbox11:53
HiddenWolfseb128, karlheg drwxr-xr-x  2 hidde hidde  4096 2005-09-13 07:31 for one11:53
\shseb128: before that, not "went away"11:53
HiddenWolf-rw-r--r--  1 hidde hidde     0 2005-09-12 18:29 - for the other11:53
\shseb128: and nothing in /usr/share/applications/*11:53
karlhegfor d in home myname subdir; do ls -lh $d; done; ls -lh /home/myname/subdir/filename11:54
marcin_anthi sorry to bother but could someone tell me how can I get what are default gcc flags in ubuntu breezy?11:54
seb128\sh: I got some of then when starting epiphany which blocked on esound, and another one when stopping esd ... I would blame esd11:54
karlhegHiddenWolf, is the file a .file?11:54
HiddenWolfkarlheg, check the screenshot, no.11:54
HiddenWolfkarlheg, no .hidden file either.11:54
\shseb128: ok..now we have more patients then before...from gnome-panel to gamin to inotify back to something else ;)11:55
seb128\sh: I still blame inotify, should be robust11:55
seb128\sh: and I never blamed gnome-panel :)11:55
\shseb128: inotify: resource /usr/share/applications/defaults.list went away. Adding it to missing list11:55
\shinotify: resource /usr/share/applications/mimeinfo.cache went away. Adding it to missing list11:55
seb128\sh: I guess now you can try to move esound away and run GNOME again11:55
\shseb128: I'll stop the debug session now and provide the logfiles11:56
ograseb128, esd sounds like a good candidate, but how should it influence inotify ? 11:56
seb128\sh: but that makes no sense11:56
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seb128maybe it uses some signal that confuse inotify11:56
ograhmm11:56
ograi dont even need it with ltsp ...11:56
seb128we are not sure it's that11:57
\shgnome-vfs?11:57
seb128try to get it without esound11:57
seb128\sh: I had no gnome-vfs-daemon running and got the issue, I doubt a lib does that11:57
\shseb128: I have a headache now11:57
seb128HiddenWolf: is this issue new? is that specific to your user?11:58
seb128HiddenWolf: maybe that's could be due to your "hidde" username11:58
HiddenWolfseb128, I've never seen it before.11:58
HiddenWolfseb128, I've used this name for more than a year on ubuntu now.11:59
HiddenWolfIt's my first name.11:59
seb128HiddenWolf: what does gnomevfs-ls /folder says11:59
HiddenWolfseb128, a lot, but it shows the files.12:00
seb128can you paste the lines about the files not listed by nautilus12:00
\shseb128: but which lib can it be12:00
seb128to a query if you want12:00
seb128\sh: not a lib, esd 12:00
seb128HiddenWolf: NOTABUG12:01
seb128the filename is useful here12:01
seb128file~ is a backup file12:01
\shseb128: ok...I'll disable esd now when I'm back in gnome12:01
seb128it's due to the ~12:01
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HiddenWolfseb128, weird.12:01
\shbrb12:01
seb128HiddenWolf: go to the nautilus preference and click on the option to list hidden and backup files12:01

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