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segfaulti suppose there's something wrong?12:35
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jjessewow and i thought the days Eastern time are slow, the nights are even slower here :)04:26
robotgeekheh04:28
Madpilotit's already midnight on the N. American eastern seaboard...04:44
jjessenot yet, 10:47pm04:45
Madpilotmeh - added an hour, sorry!04:45
jjessegrin np04:46
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jsgotangcosalut all06:27
robitaillehi jsgotangco 06:33
jsgotangcohey06:33
jsgotangcoim in linuxworld ph06:33
jsgotangcohehe06:33
jsgotangcoshitty wireless and all06:34
robitaillelucky you.   I'm at home contemplating the work still to be done tonight....06:35
robitaillework = real-life work as opposed to fun ubuntu work06:35
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rob^wow, a lot happens when one is away for a day..07:03
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rob^hmm..07:49
Madpilothttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/newbies  <-- this is a good page, but it should have a better title - redirect to ???? (need ideas here...)08:06
rob^bah. what happen to that UbuntuNewbies whatever it was group? I think it kind of fizzled out (surprise surprise).08:07
Madpilotheh08:07
Burgundavianun08:07
rob^yeah thats it, haven't heard much lately from it08:08
Madpilotwhat do nuns have to do with it? ;)08:08
rob^haha08:08
rob^keeping the newbies Ubuntu-faithful08:09
Madpilotgiving Burgundavia grief about his lousy typing is a hobby of mine08:09
Burgundaviaya ya08:09
Madpilotthis is because I never make mistooks08:09
Madpilotslightly more seriously: anyone got ideas on what to do with that newbies page? no links to anywhere, and it should be capital-N anyway...08:10
rob^does the content belong/is it already covered elsewhere?08:11
Madpilotthe content?08:11
Burgundavianot on the first twenty links on a search for "ubuntu newbies"08:11
rob^of the wiki page08:11
Burgundaviaredirect to UserDocumentation08:11
Madpilotshould, I guess. but I do like how the newbies page is written08:12
Burgundaviagarbage08:12
rob^yeah08:12
Madpilotexcept that it recommends the root terminal, and stuff08:12
Burgundavianewbies don't need stuff about speeding stuff up and other DE's08:12
Burgundaviaand FF themes08:12
Madpilotah well, good idea, badly done. I'll delete and redir to UserDoc08:12
Burgundaviaredirect to UserDoc, we will loose nothing08:12
Burgundaviahmm08:13
Burgundavias/loose/lose08:13
rob^mmm gnome mud..08:16
Madpilotdone08:16
Madpilotrob^: what?08:16
rob^buffy mud08:17
Madpilotbuffy the vampire fondler?08:17
BurgundaviaMadpilot, if you want something to do, merge https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NetworkmanagerHowto into  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NetworkManager08:22
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Madpilotwhich URL should have the actual content?08:24
BurgundaviaNetworkManager08:25
MadpilotOK. I'm just doing a straight cut-n-paste port, though. I'm still running Hoary, remember?08:25
Burgundaviathat is fine08:26
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Burgundaviait can be cleaned up later08:26
MadpilotOK08:26
Burgundaviagrr, fonts in FF change every bloody day it seems08:27
Madpilotheh08:27
Madpilothave I told you about my fun with fonts in Opera?08:27
Burgundaviano08:28
MadpilotBurgundavia: http://my.opera.com/community/forums/topic.dml?id=10155808:29
Burgundaviahmm, fun08:30
Madpilotit was messy, and the cause of four seperate bug reports filed with Opera...08:30
MadpilotOpera's bug database doesn't seem to be publicly searchable, though :(08:31
Burgundaviaouch08:31
Madpilotyeah08:32
MadpilotI know it's closed-source, etc etc, but a searchable bug database would certainly save duplication & staff time...08:32
MadpilotBurgundavia: NetworkManager stuff moved. There's still a lot of how-to-compile-your-own stuff there that'll have to be nuked by someone else08:36
BurgundaviaMadpilot, cheers08:37
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Madpilotjust fired off an email on the whole "how to organize UserDocumentation" thing... now off to blow people up in ET, back later08:51
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robotgeekhi, i was away...by i wrote the NetworkmanagerHowto09:34
robotgeekis there a wiki for how to organise UserDocumentation...since i am not a member of the doc-team09:36
mdkehi robotgeek 09:51
mdkewhat do you have in mind?09:52
robotgeeki am also working on a bluetooth howto, and a multisync howto09:52
mdkethat's great09:52
mdkeyou can add links to your guides to the UserDocumentation page09:52
robotgeekthe only reason i havent joined the doc-team is right now i don't know how much time i can devote09:52
robotgeekthey are still drafts, so they are there...but not quite what i would like. mostly incomplete09:53
mdkethat's great anyway09:54
mdkeif you want you can mark them in CategoryCleanup09:55
mdkethat way, someone who is looking for something to do can take a look at them to complete them09:55
robotgeekhmm..did not know that..i just marked them as drafts and left them without linking09:55
mdke:)09:56
mdkethanks for your work in any case09:56
mdkerobotgeek, did you join our mailing list?09:56
robotgeeknope...09:56
robotgeekshould i just join on launchpad?09:56
robotgeeki am a member of nun09:56
robotgeeki added both those to category cleanup09:59
mdkethe launchpad group is currently really for members of the docteam who have upload rights to our repository10:01
mdkerobotgeek, the best thing is to join the mailing list10:01
mdkeand you can join the wiki team in LP if you like10:01
robotgeekgood idea...10:01
mdkeif you are interested in helping to cleanup and organise the wiki10:02
robotgeekyeah, i will join up10:02
robotgeeki just wanted the easier approach :) i'm lazy!10:02
mdkeeasier approach?10:03
robotgeekwithout much work on my side :)10:04
robotgeeki subscribed to the mailing list10:05
robotgeeki guess i'll hang in there, and then when i am sure about the amount of time i can spend, join the wiki team10:06
mdkecool10:06
mdkethanks for your work10:06
robotgeekno problem10:06
robotgeekwere the articles good? :)10:07
robotgeekmdke: alrite, i guess i'll hang in here and on the list more often. gnite10:11
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klepasmoin10:27
mdkehi10:28
klepas:-)10:29
jsgotangcohi10:29
mdkehey jsgotangco 10:29
jsgotangcowhats up im in linuxworld10:29
jsgotangcoheh10:29
klepasoh, nice10:30
jsgotangcoi think i've become quite a celebrity locally10:30
mdkecool10:30
jsgotangcoim surprised10:30
mdkeme too10:31
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klepasgotta grab that for Saturday's bug day10:32
klepas:)10:32
jsgotangcohaha10:32
jsgotangcomdke, its silly, someone actually asked for a picture with me10:33
mdkeawesome10:33
Burgundaviamdke, the quicktour should be finished tomorrow10:37
mdkegood news10:37
jsgotangconice10:38
jsgotangcowith images?10:38
mdkewhat are we going to do about translating images?10:38
jsgotangcoi don't think we have localised screenshots yet10:39
Burgundaviajsgotangco, text only for now, images I will do over the next three days (I have them off)10:39
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jsgotangcobrb our wireless will have to reboot10:41
mdkek10:41
jsgotangcoill come back later10:41
jsgotangcolet's discuss further10:41
mdkeyes10:41
mdkeBurgundavia, what did you have in mind for localising screenshots? any ideas?10:41
Burgundaviamdke, not currently10:42
mdkeperhaps we can ask a few people with more experience of i18n10:42
mdkejordi, translating groups etc10:42
Burgundaviaya10:42
Burgundaviajust pinged jordi10:43
mdkeok10:44
mdkewe had a lot of fun yesterday with the faqguide10:44
mdkeNOT!10:44
Burgundaviaoh?10:45
mdkesee the list10:45
mdkesome huge problems with the pot10:45
Madpiloti18n screenshots basically means re-shotting most of them, I'd think...10:46
mdkesure10:47
Madpilotre-shooting, even...10:47
mdkeit's just a question of who does it10:47
mdkeand where they put them10:47
mdkei don't really think we can do them10:47
mdketoo much time required10:47
Madpilotthe translator teams are going to have to do them, along with their text translations10:48
Burgundaviamdke, oh ya, that10:48
MadpilotBurgundavia: just a thought, maybe you should figure out what screenshots you want, and produce a spec sheet for them to go along with the text?10:49
BurgundaviaMadpilot, the spec would be "duplicate the english screenshot", with instructions for the tricky ones10:50
MadpilotBurgundavia: so you're going to produce 'draft' screenshots to go out with the translation packs, and do final ones after whatever relevant late freeze is past?10:51
Burgundaviasweet, gnome already has a guide10:51
Burgundaviahttp://live.gnome.org/ReleaseNotes_2fTranslating10:51
mdkeyeah it should only be necessary for the shots that are not obviously self explanatory10:51
BurgundaviaMadpilot, I am not worried about translations for the quicktour, to be honest10:51
Madpilotfair enough...10:52
mdkewhy?10:52
Burgundaviait would be nice, but it is not a mission critical piece of docs10:52
mdkei think it would be very nice indeed10:52
mdkelocoteams can put the doc on their websites10:52
Burgundaviait is a marketing doc, nobody is going to not be able to do $foo if it doesn't get translated for release10:52
mdkemarketing should be done in more languages than english though IMO10:53
Burgundaviayes it should, but the primary translating focus should be the faqguide10:53
mdkeI'm sure the quicktour will not take up a lot of translators time10:55
mdkeabout-ubuntu was translated in about a day for many languages10:55
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BurgundaviaMadpilot, do you see adds on cbc.ca?11:05
Burgundavias/adds/ads11:05
Madpilotnope11:10
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Madpilotgot an adblocker working in Opera now - it's a bit of a hack, but it's usually cool11:11
Burgundaviamdke, you got adblocking enabled?11:14
MadpilotBurgundavia: ewww, Dell ads... (just started FF, haven't been to CBC with it yet...)11:16
BurgundaviaMadpilot, ok, they are still there11:16
MadpilotBurgundavia: across the top on the main page; down the right side on article pages, it seems. Ick.11:25
BurgundaviaI wrote a very strongly worded letter to CBC and the the MP's about it11:25
Madpilot...and the ads remain... ah well. at least when you adblock the top ad, it collapses neatly rather than leaving a blank rectangle...11:25
Madpilotanyway, I need sleep. Later, all.11:25
mdkeBurgundavia, no11:46
mdkenight Madpilot 11:46
Burgundaviamdke, never mind11:48
Burgundaviamdke, the CBC is undergoing a major labour dispute and has apparently decides ads on its webpage is kosher11:48
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mdke:D11:49
Burgundavianight all12:22
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WaterSevenUbmdke, hey... in what context appears these strings to translate in the FAQ guide?   : "Split this FAQ Guide into multiple files to make it easier to edit. Also put this revision history in the correct order."02:54
WaterSevenUbmdke, "     Align with Unofficial Ubuntu Guide 3.04"....02:54
WaterSevenUbthose are strings that will not appear to the user right?02:54
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mdkeWaterSevenUb, correct, they are just revisions03:45
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jsgotangcohi04:27
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jbaileyjsgotangco: hi05:02
jbaileyjsgotangco: You're up late. =)05:03
jsgotangcohey05:03
jsgotangcoits only 11pm05:03
jsgotangcoheh05:03
jsgotangcoi've been busy pimping at linuxworld05:03
jsgotangcoso i haven't been around that much05:03
jbaileylinuxworld?05:06
jbaileyWhere's that this year?05:06
jsgotangconahh its the local linux world event05:06
jsgotangcowe always have a linuxworld here too05:06
jsgotangcojbailey: i think its going to be in San francisco next year05:06
jsgotangcoi have a cool pic i'll post it when i get to scan it later05:07
jsgotangcoheh05:07
jbaileyAh, a bit far to trek to for me.05:07
jbaileyAlthough I love the bay area.05:07
jsgotangcothe linuxworld here is silly though05:07
jsgotangcoit had microsoft as a major sponsor05:07
jbailey!!! =)05:08
mdkeargh05:08
mdkei might put some translations in branches/breezy05:08
mdkethere are quite a lot of about-ubuntu done already05:08
jsgotangcoyeah they had 3 booth babes, good thing i got my ubuntu shirt from udu today they were actually  giving out pics05:08
jsgotangcoi have me a pic in my udu shirt with 3 MS booth babes wearing their MS halters05:09
jsgotangcomdke: you can probably overwrite the existing ones it is a breezy branch anyways05:10
mdkeyes i will05:10
mdkejbailey, do you fancy seeing if you can get them into the package?05:10
jsgotangcoi haven't checked the status of about ubuntu in rosetta05:11
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mdkeit's good05:11
mdkeloads of languages05:11
jsgotangcomdke: how come some still have 1 todo?05:13
mdkejsgotangco, because they do05:13
jsgotangcowonder what string is that05:14
jsgotangcoeven dutch has 1 todo05:14
mdkeit varies05:14
jsgotangcoportugues05:14
mdkespanish has left out "translator-credits"05:15
mdkept_BR has left out a large paragraph about gnome05:15
jsgotangcow00t we have hebrew now!05:15
jsgotangcoserbian! romanian!05:15
mdkeetc05:15
mdkeyep05:15
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jjessemdke:  thanks for fixing the typo i made i kuserguide :)05:19
mdkenp05:20
mdkewhat country code is fa?05:20
jsgotangcofa as language?05:21
mdkemust be persian05:21
jsgotangcofarsi05:21
jsgotangcomost probably05:21
jbaileymdke: Sorry, I hadn't noticed this window, lemme scroll back.05:22
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jbaileymdke: Sure.  How do I get them out of Rosetta?05:22
jbailey=)05:22
jsgotangcomdke will pull it out and transform it back to xml and commit?05:23
mdkejbailey, i'm getting them05:23
mdkeme me me05:23
jbaileyw00h0005:23
jbaileyI still need to upload ubuntu-docs05:23
jbaileySorry I'm behind on this, guys.05:23
mdkenp05:23
jsgotangconp05:23
jsgotangcohow about the scrollkeeper bit?05:23
mdkei'm going to limit my role to getting them from rosetta and making xml05:23
jsgotangcoheh05:24
jsgotangcook i can probably do the omf files05:24
mdkesome of them are there already so you should be able to copy05:24
jsgotangcomdke: sure but it'll still be edited/reviewed for correctness in the install path05:25
jsgotangcoand probably generate a new id05:25
mdkeshit05:26
mdkethere is a bug in about-ubuntu.xml still05:26
jsgotangcoeh?05:26
mdkeif you open it in yelp, and go to the participate page, the icon that should only be on the first page is at the bottom05:26
jsgotangcoits like that in hoary05:27
jsgotangcoi never had the chance to tweak it05:27
jsgotangco<caption> should have been there instead05:28
mdkecan you sort it?05:28
jsgotangcowell not at this time but its trivial for one doc...05:29
jsgotangcolet me check the correct syntax for it05:29
mdkek05:29
jsgotangcowe'll probably end up editing the xml for even the translated doc for 1 or 2 lines05:29
mdkeif you fix it in the original, we'll be ok05:35
jsgotangcoupload a new pot then?05:36
jsgotangcook gimme till tommorow when you wake up05:36
highvoltagei find lots of references on the wiki and site to the ubuntu manifesto, but i can't find the actual manifesto. does anyone have a link for me?05:41
jsgotangconow that you mention it...05:44
highvoltagenow that i mention it?05:51
jsgotangcoi dont know either...05:53
mdkejbailey, ok I've uploaded some xml files for some of the finished translations to the branch05:59
jbaileymdke: Cool, thanks!05:59
jsgotangcojbailey: you still have that blue highlight in your hair?06:00
jbaileyjsgotangco: Most of them have fallen out now.  I think I have 2 or 3 left.06:01
jbaileyjsgotangco: I'll be getting them redone in October, probably.06:01
jsgotangcoheh06:01
jbaileySince it was my first set, I didn't know how to take care of them terribly well.  I lost 2 in the first two weeks, and a few others shortly after that from general abuse.06:02
jsgotangcoim thinking of getting something done with my hair it has grown since udu06:03
jbaileyNice.06:14
jbaileyGetting the blue streaks wsa the first time I'd done anything fun with my hair.06:15
jbaileyI figure it's the end of my quarter-life crisis or so.06:15
jsgotangcohaha06:15
mdkeheh06:15
jsgotangcogood night everyone =)06:28
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