[12:34] <segfault> validate.sh about-ubuntu.xml
[12:34] <segfault> about-ubuntu.xml:16: element inlinemediaobject: validity error : Element inlinemediaobject content does not follow the DTD, expecting (objectinfo? , (videoobject | audioobject | imageobject) , (videoobject | audioobject | imageobject | textobject)*), got (imageobject caption )
[12:34] <segfault> about-ubuntu.xml:20: element caption: validity error : Element caption content does not follow the DTD, expecting (calloutlist | glosslist | itemizedlist | orderedlist | segmentedlist | simplelist | variablelist | caution | important | note | tip | warning | literallayout | programlisting | programlistingco | screen | screenco | screenshot | formalpara | para | simpara | blockquote)*, got (CDATA)
[12:34] <segfault> Document about-ubuntu.xml does not validate
[12:35] <segfault> i suppose there's something wrong?
[04:26] <jjesse> wow and i thought the days Eastern time are slow, the nights are even slower here :)
[04:28] <robotgeek> heh
[04:44] <Madpilot> it's already midnight on the N. American eastern seaboard...
[04:45] <jjesse> not yet, 10:47pm
[04:45] <Madpilot> meh - added an hour, sorry!
[04:46] <jjesse> grin np
[06:27] <jsgotangco> salut all
[06:33] <robitaille> hi jsgotangco 
[06:33] <jsgotangco> hey
[06:33] <jsgotangco> im in linuxworld ph
[06:33] <jsgotangco> hehe
[06:34] <jsgotangco> shitty wireless and all
[06:35] <robitaille> lucky you.   I'm at home contemplating the work still to be done tonight....
[06:35] <robitaille> work = real-life work as opposed to fun ubuntu work
[07:03] <rob^> wow, a lot happens when one is away for a day..
[07:49] <rob^> hmm..
[08:06] <Madpilot> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/newbies  <-- this is a good page, but it should have a better title - redirect to ???? (need ideas here...)
[08:07] <rob^> bah. what happen to that UbuntuNewbies whatever it was group? I think it kind of fizzled out (surprise surprise).
[08:07] <Madpilot> heh
[08:07] <Burgundavia> nun
[08:08] <rob^> yeah thats it, haven't heard much lately from it
[08:08] <Madpilot> what do nuns have to do with it? ;)
[08:08] <rob^> haha
[08:09] <rob^> keeping the newbies Ubuntu-faithful
[08:09] <Madpilot> giving Burgundavia grief about his lousy typing is a hobby of mine
[08:09] <Burgundavia> ya ya
[08:09] <Madpilot> this is because I never make mistooks
[08:10] <Madpilot> slightly more seriously: anyone got ideas on what to do with that newbies page? no links to anywhere, and it should be capital-N anyway...
[08:11] <rob^> does the content belong/is it already covered elsewhere?
[08:11] <Madpilot> the content?
[08:11] <Burgundavia> not on the first twenty links on a search for "ubuntu newbies"
[08:11] <rob^> of the wiki page
[08:11] <Burgundavia> redirect to UserDocumentation
[08:12] <Madpilot> should, I guess. but I do like how the newbies page is written
[08:12] <Burgundavia> garbage
[08:12] <rob^> yeah
[08:12] <Madpilot> except that it recommends the root terminal, and stuff
[08:12] <Burgundavia> newbies don't need stuff about speeding stuff up and other DE's
[08:12] <Burgundavia> and FF themes
[08:12] <Madpilot> ah well, good idea, badly done. I'll delete and redir to UserDoc
[08:12] <Burgundavia> redirect to UserDoc, we will loose nothing
[08:13] <Burgundavia> hmm
[08:13] <Burgundavia> s/loose/lose
[08:16] <rob^> mmm gnome mud..
[08:16] <Madpilot> done
[08:16] <Madpilot> rob^: what?
[08:17] <rob^> buffy mud
[08:17] <Madpilot> buffy the vampire fondler?
[08:22] <Burgundavia> Madpilot, if you want something to do, merge https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NetworkmanagerHowto into  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NetworkManager
[08:24] <Madpilot> which URL should have the actual content?
[08:25] <Burgundavia> NetworkManager
[08:25] <Madpilot> OK. I'm just doing a straight cut-n-paste port, though. I'm still running Hoary, remember?
[08:26] <Burgundavia> that is fine
[08:26] <Burgundavia> it can be cleaned up later
[08:26] <Madpilot> OK
[08:27] <Burgundavia> grr, fonts in FF change every bloody day it seems
[08:27] <Madpilot> heh
[08:27] <Madpilot> have I told you about my fun with fonts in Opera?
[08:28] <Burgundavia> no
[08:29] <Madpilot> Burgundavia: http://my.opera.com/community/forums/topic.dml?id=101558
[08:30] <Burgundavia> hmm, fun
[08:30] <Madpilot> it was messy, and the cause of four seperate bug reports filed with Opera...
[08:31] <Madpilot> Opera's bug database doesn't seem to be publicly searchable, though :(
[08:31] <Burgundavia> ouch
[08:32] <Madpilot> yeah
[08:32] <Madpilot> I know it's closed-source, etc etc, but a searchable bug database would certainly save duplication & staff time...
[08:36] <Madpilot> Burgundavia: NetworkManager stuff moved. There's still a lot of how-to-compile-your-own stuff there that'll have to be nuked by someone else
[08:37] <Burgundavia> Madpilot, cheers
[08:51] <Madpilot> just fired off an email on the whole "how to organize UserDocumentation" thing... now off to blow people up in ET, back later
[09:34] <robotgeek> hi, i was away...by i wrote the NetworkmanagerHowto
[09:36] <robotgeek> is there a wiki for how to organise UserDocumentation...since i am not a member of the doc-team
[09:51] <mdke> hi robotgeek 
[09:52] <mdke> what do you have in mind?
[09:52] <robotgeek> i am also working on a bluetooth howto, and a multisync howto
[09:52] <mdke> that's great
[09:52] <mdke> you can add links to your guides to the UserDocumentation page
[09:52] <robotgeek> the only reason i havent joined the doc-team is right now i don't know how much time i can devote
[09:53] <robotgeek> they are still drafts, so they are there...but not quite what i would like. mostly incomplete
[09:54] <mdke> that's great anyway
[09:55] <mdke> if you want you can mark them in CategoryCleanup
[09:55] <mdke> that way, someone who is looking for something to do can take a look at them to complete them
[09:55] <robotgeek> hmm..did not know that..i just marked them as drafts and left them without linking
[09:56] <mdke> :)
[09:56] <mdke> thanks for your work in any case
[09:56] <mdke> robotgeek, did you join our mailing list?
[09:56] <robotgeek> nope...
[09:56] <robotgeek> should i just join on launchpad?
[09:56] <robotgeek> i am a member of nun
[09:59] <robotgeek> i added both those to category cleanup
[10:01] <mdke> the launchpad group is currently really for members of the docteam who have upload rights to our repository
[10:01] <mdke> robotgeek, the best thing is to join the mailing list
[10:01] <mdke> and you can join the wiki team in LP if you like
[10:01] <robotgeek> good idea...
[10:02] <mdke> if you are interested in helping to cleanup and organise the wiki
[10:02] <robotgeek> yeah, i will join up
[10:02] <robotgeek> i just wanted the easier approach :) i'm lazy!
[10:03] <mdke> easier approach?
[10:04] <robotgeek> without much work on my side :)
[10:05] <robotgeek> i subscribed to the mailing list
[10:06] <robotgeek> i guess i'll hang in there, and then when i am sure about the amount of time i can spend, join the wiki team
[10:06] <mdke> cool
[10:06] <mdke> thanks for your work
[10:06] <robotgeek> no problem
[10:07] <robotgeek> were the articles good? :)
[10:11] <robotgeek> mdke: alrite, i guess i'll hang in here and on the list more often. gnite
[10:27] <klepas> moin
[10:28] <mdke> hi
[10:29] <klepas> :-)
[10:29] <jsgotangco> hi
[10:29] <mdke> hey jsgotangco 
[10:29] <jsgotangco> whats up im in linuxworld
[10:29] <jsgotangco> heh
[10:30] <klepas> oh, nice
[10:30] <jsgotangco> i think i've become quite a celebrity locally
[10:30] <mdke> cool
[10:30] <jsgotangco> im surprised
[10:31] <mdke> me too
[10:32] <klepas> gotta grab that for Saturday's bug day
[10:32] <klepas> :)
[10:32] <jsgotangco> haha
[10:33] <jsgotangco> mdke, its silly, someone actually asked for a picture with me
[10:33] <mdke> awesome
[10:37] <Burgundavia> mdke, the quicktour should be finished tomorrow
[10:37] <mdke> good news
[10:38] <jsgotangco> nice
[10:38] <jsgotangco> with images?
[10:38] <mdke> what are we going to do about translating images?
[10:39] <jsgotangco> i don't think we have localised screenshots yet
[10:39] <Burgundavia> jsgotangco, text only for now, images I will do over the next three days (I have them off)
[10:41] <jsgotangco> brb our wireless will have to reboot
[10:41] <mdke> k
[10:41] <jsgotangco> ill come back later
[10:41] <jsgotangco> let's discuss further
[10:41] <mdke> yes
[10:41] <mdke> Burgundavia, what did you have in mind for localising screenshots? any ideas?
[10:42] <Burgundavia> mdke, not currently
[10:42] <mdke> perhaps we can ask a few people with more experience of i18n
[10:42] <mdke> jordi, translating groups etc
[10:42] <Burgundavia> ya
[10:43] <Burgundavia> just pinged jordi
[10:44] <mdke> ok
[10:44] <mdke> we had a lot of fun yesterday with the faqguide
[10:44] <mdke> NOT!
[10:45] <Burgundavia> oh?
[10:45] <mdke> see the list
[10:45] <mdke> some huge problems with the pot
[10:46] <Madpilot> i18n screenshots basically means re-shotting most of them, I'd think...
[10:47] <mdke> sure
[10:47] <Madpilot> re-shooting, even...
[10:47] <mdke> it's just a question of who does it
[10:47] <mdke> and where they put them
[10:47] <mdke> i don't really think we can do them
[10:47] <mdke> too much time required
[10:48] <Madpilot> the translator teams are going to have to do them, along with their text translations
[10:48] <Burgundavia> mdke, oh ya, that
[10:49] <Madpilot> Burgundavia: just a thought, maybe you should figure out what screenshots you want, and produce a spec sheet for them to go along with the text?
[10:50] <Burgundavia> Madpilot, the spec would be "duplicate the english screenshot", with instructions for the tricky ones
[10:51] <Madpilot> Burgundavia: so you're going to produce 'draft' screenshots to go out with the translation packs, and do final ones after whatever relevant late freeze is past?
[10:51] <Burgundavia> sweet, gnome already has a guide
[10:51] <Burgundavia> http://live.gnome.org/ReleaseNotes_2fTranslating
[10:51] <mdke> yeah it should only be necessary for the shots that are not obviously self explanatory
[10:51] <Burgundavia> Madpilot, I am not worried about translations for the quicktour, to be honest
[10:52] <Madpilot> fair enough...
[10:52] <mdke> why?
[10:52] <Burgundavia> it would be nice, but it is not a mission critical piece of docs
[10:52] <mdke> i think it would be very nice indeed
[10:52] <mdke> locoteams can put the doc on their websites
[10:52] <Burgundavia> it is a marketing doc, nobody is going to not be able to do $foo if it doesn't get translated for release
[10:53] <mdke> marketing should be done in more languages than english though IMO
[10:53] <Burgundavia> yes it should, but the primary translating focus should be the faqguide
[10:55] <mdke> I'm sure the quicktour will not take up a lot of translators time
[10:55] <mdke> about-ubuntu was translated in about a day for many languages
[11:05] <Burgundavia> Madpilot, do you see adds on cbc.ca?
[11:05] <Burgundavia> s/adds/ads
[11:10] <Madpilot> nope
[11:11] <Madpilot> got an adblocker working in Opera now - it's a bit of a hack, but it's usually cool
[11:14] <Burgundavia> mdke, you got adblocking enabled?
[11:16] <Madpilot> Burgundavia: ewww, Dell ads... (just started FF, haven't been to CBC with it yet...)
[11:16] <Burgundavia> Madpilot, ok, they are still there
[11:25] <Madpilot> Burgundavia: across the top on the main page; down the right side on article pages, it seems. Ick.
[11:25] <Burgundavia> I wrote a very strongly worded letter to CBC and the the MP's about it
[11:25] <Madpilot> ...and the ads remain... ah well. at least when you adblock the top ad, it collapses neatly rather than leaving a blank rectangle...
[11:25] <Madpilot> anyway, I need sleep. Later, all.
[11:46] <mdke> Burgundavia, no
[11:46] <mdke> night Madpilot 
[11:48] <Burgundavia> mdke, never mind
[11:48] <Burgundavia> mdke, the CBC is undergoing a major labour dispute and has apparently decides ads on its webpage is kosher
[11:49] <mdke> :D
[12:22] <Burgundavia> night all
[02:54] <WaterSevenUb> mdke, hey... in what context appears these strings to translate in the FAQ guide?   : "Split this FAQ Guide into multiple files to make it easier to edit. Also put this revision history in the correct order."
[02:54] <WaterSevenUb> mdke, "   	  	Align with Unofficial Ubuntu Guide 3.04"....
[02:54] <WaterSevenUb> those are strings that will not appear to the user right?
[03:45] <mdke> WaterSevenUb, correct, they are just revisions
[04:27] <jsgotangco> hi
[05:02] <jbailey> jsgotangco: hi
[05:03] <jbailey> jsgotangco: You're up late. =)
[05:03] <jsgotangco> hey
[05:03] <jsgotangco> its only 11pm
[05:03] <jsgotangco> heh
[05:03] <jsgotangco> i've been busy pimping at linuxworld
[05:03] <jsgotangco> so i haven't been around that much
[05:06] <jbailey> linuxworld?
[05:06] <jbailey> Where's that this year?
[05:06] <jsgotangco> nahh its the local linux world event
[05:06] <jsgotangco> we always have a linuxworld here too
[05:06] <jsgotangco> jbailey: i think its going to be in San francisco next year
[05:07] <jsgotangco> i have a cool pic i'll post it when i get to scan it later
[05:07] <jsgotangco> heh
[05:07] <jbailey> Ah, a bit far to trek to for me.
[05:07] <jbailey> Although I love the bay area.
[05:07] <jsgotangco> the linuxworld here is silly though
[05:07] <jsgotangco> it had microsoft as a major sponsor
[05:08] <jbailey> !!! =)
[05:08] <mdke> argh
[05:08] <mdke> i might put some translations in branches/breezy
[05:08] <mdke> there are quite a lot of about-ubuntu done already
[05:08] <jsgotangco> yeah they had 3 booth babes, good thing i got my ubuntu shirt from udu today they were actually  giving out pics
[05:09] <jsgotangco> i have me a pic in my udu shirt with 3 MS booth babes wearing their MS halters
[05:10] <jsgotangco> mdke: you can probably overwrite the existing ones it is a breezy branch anyways
[05:10] <mdke> yes i will
[05:10] <mdke> jbailey, do you fancy seeing if you can get them into the package?
[05:11] <jsgotangco> i haven't checked the status of about ubuntu in rosetta
[05:11] <mdke> it's good
[05:11] <mdke> loads of languages
[05:13] <jsgotangco> mdke: how come some still have 1 todo?
[05:13] <mdke> jsgotangco, because they do
[05:14] <jsgotangco> wonder what string is that
[05:14] <jsgotangco> even dutch has 1 todo
[05:14] <mdke> it varies
[05:14] <jsgotangco> portugues
[05:15] <mdke> spanish has left out "translator-credits"
[05:15] <mdke> pt_BR has left out a large paragraph about gnome
[05:15] <jsgotangco> w00t we have hebrew now!
[05:15] <jsgotangco> serbian! romanian!
[05:15] <mdke> etc
[05:15] <mdke> yep
[05:19] <jjesse> mdke:  thanks for fixing the typo i made i kuserguide :)
[05:20] <mdke> np
[05:20] <mdke> what country code is fa?
[05:21] <jsgotangco> fa as language?
[05:21] <mdke> must be persian
[05:21] <jsgotangco> farsi
[05:21] <jsgotangco> most probably
[05:22] <jbailey> mdke: Sorry, I hadn't noticed this window, lemme scroll back.
[05:22] <jbailey> mdke: Sure.  How do I get them out of Rosetta?
[05:22] <jbailey> =)
[05:23] <jsgotangco> mdke will pull it out and transform it back to xml and commit?
[05:23] <mdke> jbailey, i'm getting them
[05:23] <mdke> me me me
[05:23] <jbailey> w00h00
[05:23] <jbailey> I still need to upload ubuntu-docs
[05:23] <jbailey> Sorry I'm behind on this, guys.
[05:23] <mdke> np
[05:23] <jsgotangco> np
[05:23] <jsgotangco> how about the scrollkeeper bit?
[05:23] <mdke> i'm going to limit my role to getting them from rosetta and making xml
[05:24] <jsgotangco> heh
[05:24] <jsgotangco> ok i can probably do the omf files
[05:24] <mdke> some of them are there already so you should be able to copy
[05:25] <jsgotangco> mdke: sure but it'll still be edited/reviewed for correctness in the install path
[05:25] <jsgotangco> and probably generate a new id
[05:26] <mdke> shit
[05:26] <mdke> there is a bug in about-ubuntu.xml still
[05:26] <jsgotangco> eh?
[05:26] <mdke> if you open it in yelp, and go to the participate page, the icon that should only be on the first page is at the bottom
[05:27] <jsgotangco> its like that in hoary
[05:27] <jsgotangco> i never had the chance to tweak it
 should have been there instead
[05:28] <mdke> can you sort it?
[05:29] <jsgotangco> well not at this time but its trivial for one doc...
[05:29] <jsgotangco> let me check the correct syntax for it
[05:29] <mdke> k
[05:29] <jsgotangco> we'll probably end up editing the xml for even the translated doc for 1 or 2 lines
[05:35] <mdke> if you fix it in the original, we'll be ok
[05:36] <jsgotangco> upload a new pot then?
[05:36] <jsgotangco> ok gimme till tommorow when you wake up
[05:41] <highvoltage> i find lots of references on the wiki and site to the ubuntu manifesto, but i can't find the actual manifesto. does anyone have a link for me?
[05:44] <jsgotangco> now that you mention it...
[05:51] <highvoltage> now that i mention it?
[05:53] <jsgotangco> i dont know either...
[05:59] <mdke> jbailey, ok I've uploaded some xml files for some of the finished translations to the branch
[05:59] <jbailey> mdke: Cool, thanks!
[06:00] <jsgotangco> jbailey: you still have that blue highlight in your hair?
[06:01] <jbailey> jsgotangco: Most of them have fallen out now.  I think I have 2 or 3 left.
[06:01] <jbailey> jsgotangco: I'll be getting them redone in October, probably.
[06:01] <jsgotangco> heh
[06:02] <jbailey> Since it was my first set, I didn't know how to take care of them terribly well.  I lost 2 in the first two weeks, and a few others shortly after that from general abuse.
[06:03] <jsgotangco> im thinking of getting something done with my hair it has grown since udu
[06:14] <jbailey> Nice.
[06:15] <jbailey> Getting the blue streaks wsa the first time I'd done anything fun with my hair.
[06:15] <jbailey> I figure it's the end of my quarter-life crisis or so.
[06:15] <jsgotangco> haha
[06:15] <mdke> heh
[06:28] <jsgotangco> good night everyone =)