[12:34] validate.sh about-ubuntu.xml [12:34] about-ubuntu.xml:16: element inlinemediaobject: validity error : Element inlinemediaobject content does not follow the DTD, expecting (objectinfo? , (videoobject | audioobject | imageobject) , (videoobject | audioobject | imageobject | textobject)*), got (imageobject caption ) [12:34] about-ubuntu.xml:20: element caption: validity error : Element caption content does not follow the DTD, expecting (calloutlist | glosslist | itemizedlist | orderedlist | segmentedlist | simplelist | variablelist | caution | important | note | tip | warning | literallayout | programlisting | programlistingco | screen | screenco | screenshot | formalpara | para | simpara | blockquote)*, got (CDATA) [12:34] Document about-ubuntu.xml does not validate [12:35] i suppose there's something wrong? === avanspronsen [n=andrewv@London-HSE-ppp3543971.sympatico.ca] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jdef [n=jdef@cuscon3465.tstt.net.tt] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jjesse [n=trillian@69-87-139-215.async.iserv.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Madpilot [n=yh728@S0106000d88b9f3db.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === enchanter [n=chiez@219.235.231.32] has joined #ubuntu-doc === enchanter [n=chiez@219.235.231.32] has left #ubuntu-doc [""] [04:26] wow and i thought the days Eastern time are slow, the nights are even slower here :) [04:28] heh [04:44] it's already midnight on the N. American eastern seaboard... [04:45] not yet, 10:47pm [04:45] meh - added an hour, sorry! [04:46] grin np === squinn [n=squinn@69.203.205.68.cfl.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === robitaille [n=robitail@d154-5-117-228.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jsgotangco [n=jsg@61.9.48.34] has joined #ubuntu-doc [06:27] salut all [06:33] hi jsgotangco [06:33] hey [06:33] im in linuxworld ph [06:33] hehe [06:34] shitty wireless and all [06:35] lucky you. I'm at home contemplating the work still to be done tonight.... [06:35] work = real-life work as opposed to fun ubuntu work === rob^ [n=rob@pdpc/supporter/student/rob-ubuntu] has joined #ubuntu-doc [07:03] wow, a lot happens when one is away for a day.. === HrdwrBoB [n=matt@bob.is.teh.admin.at.vicnet.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-doc [07:49] hmm.. [08:06] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/newbies <-- this is a good page, but it should have a better title - redirect to ???? (need ideas here...) [08:07] bah. what happen to that UbuntuNewbies whatever it was group? I think it kind of fizzled out (surprise surprise). [08:07] heh [08:07] nun [08:08] yeah thats it, haven't heard much lately from it [08:08] what do nuns have to do with it? ;) [08:08] haha [08:09] keeping the newbies Ubuntu-faithful [08:09] giving Burgundavia grief about his lousy typing is a hobby of mine [08:09] ya ya [08:09] this is because I never make mistooks [08:10] slightly more seriously: anyone got ideas on what to do with that newbies page? no links to anywhere, and it should be capital-N anyway... [08:11] does the content belong/is it already covered elsewhere? [08:11] the content? [08:11] not on the first twenty links on a search for "ubuntu newbies" [08:11] of the wiki page [08:11] redirect to UserDocumentation [08:12] should, I guess. but I do like how the newbies page is written [08:12] garbage [08:12] yeah [08:12] except that it recommends the root terminal, and stuff [08:12] newbies don't need stuff about speeding stuff up and other DE's [08:12] and FF themes [08:12] ah well, good idea, badly done. I'll delete and redir to UserDoc [08:12] redirect to UserDoc, we will loose nothing [08:13] hmm [08:13] s/loose/lose [08:16] mmm gnome mud.. [08:16] done [08:16] rob^: what? [08:17] buffy mud [08:17] buffy the vampire fondler? [08:22] Madpilot, if you want something to do, merge https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NetworkmanagerHowto into https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NetworkManager === thoreauputic [n=prospero@wolax6-164.dialup.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-doc [08:24] which URL should have the actual content? [08:25] NetworkManager [08:25] OK. I'm just doing a straight cut-n-paste port, though. I'm still running Hoary, remember? [08:26] that is fine === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-doc [08:26] it can be cleaned up later [08:26] OK [08:27] grr, fonts in FF change every bloody day it seems [08:27] heh [08:27] have I told you about my fun with fonts in Opera? [08:28] no [08:29] Burgundavia: http://my.opera.com/community/forums/topic.dml?id=101558 [08:30] hmm, fun [08:30] it was messy, and the cause of four seperate bug reports filed with Opera... [08:31] Opera's bug database doesn't seem to be publicly searchable, though :( [08:31] ouch [08:32] yeah [08:32] I know it's closed-source, etc etc, but a searchable bug database would certainly save duplication & staff time... [08:36] Burgundavia: NetworkManager stuff moved. There's still a lot of how-to-compile-your-own stuff there that'll have to be nuked by someone else [08:37] Madpilot, cheers === enrico [n=enrico@debian/developer/enrico] has joined #ubuntu-doc [08:51] just fired off an email on the whole "how to organize UserDocumentation" thing... now off to blow people up in ET, back later === thoreauputic [n=prospero@wolax6-164.dialup.optusnet.com.au] has left #ubuntu-doc ["Leaving"] [09:34] hi, i was away...by i wrote the NetworkmanagerHowto [09:36] is there a wiki for how to organise UserDocumentation...since i am not a member of the doc-team [09:51] hi robotgeek [09:52] what do you have in mind? [09:52] i am also working on a bluetooth howto, and a multisync howto [09:52] that's great [09:52] you can add links to your guides to the UserDocumentation page [09:52] the only reason i havent joined the doc-team is right now i don't know how much time i can devote [09:53] they are still drafts, so they are there...but not quite what i would like. mostly incomplete [09:54] that's great anyway [09:55] if you want you can mark them in CategoryCleanup [09:55] that way, someone who is looking for something to do can take a look at them to complete them [09:55] hmm..did not know that..i just marked them as drafts and left them without linking [09:56] :) [09:56] thanks for your work in any case [09:56] robotgeek, did you join our mailing list? [09:56] nope... [09:56] should i just join on launchpad? [09:56] i am a member of nun [09:59] i added both those to category cleanup [10:01] the launchpad group is currently really for members of the docteam who have upload rights to our repository [10:01] robotgeek, the best thing is to join the mailing list [10:01] and you can join the wiki team in LP if you like [10:01] good idea... [10:02] if you are interested in helping to cleanup and organise the wiki [10:02] yeah, i will join up [10:02] i just wanted the easier approach :) i'm lazy! [10:03] easier approach? [10:04] without much work on my side :) [10:05] i subscribed to the mailing list [10:06] i guess i'll hang in there, and then when i am sure about the amount of time i can spend, join the wiki team [10:06] cool [10:06] thanks for your work [10:06] no problem [10:07] were the articles good? :) [10:11] mdke: alrite, i guess i'll hang in here and on the list more often. gnite === dand [n=dand@gw.datagroup.ro] has joined #ubuntu-doc === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-doc === klepas [n=klepas@203-213-31-142.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jsgotangco [n=jsg@61.9.48.122] has joined #ubuntu-doc [10:27] moin [10:28] hi [10:29] :-) [10:29] hi [10:29] hey jsgotangco [10:29] whats up im in linuxworld [10:29] heh [10:30] oh, nice [10:30] i think i've become quite a celebrity locally [10:30] cool [10:30] im surprised [10:31] me too === mdke runs off === klepas executes wget http://downloads.planetmirror.com/pub/ubuntu/releases/breezy/ubuntu-5.10-preview-install-i386.iso -c [10:32] gotta grab that for Saturday's bug day [10:32] :) [10:32] haha [10:33] mdke, its silly, someone actually asked for a picture with me [10:33] awesome [10:37] mdke, the quicktour should be finished tomorrow [10:37] good news [10:38] nice [10:38] with images? [10:38] what are we going to do about translating images? [10:39] i don't think we have localised screenshots yet [10:39] jsgotangco, text only for now, images I will do over the next three days (I have them off) === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-doc === bojicas [n=bojicas@217.164.200.33] has joined #ubuntu-doc [10:41] brb our wireless will have to reboot [10:41] k [10:41] ill come back later [10:41] let's discuss further [10:41] yes [10:41] Burgundavia, what did you have in mind for localising screenshots? any ideas? [10:42] mdke, not currently [10:42] perhaps we can ask a few people with more experience of i18n [10:42] jordi, translating groups etc [10:42] ya [10:43] just pinged jordi [10:44] ok [10:44] we had a lot of fun yesterday with the faqguide [10:44] NOT! [10:45] oh? [10:45] see the list [10:45] some huge problems with the pot [10:46] i18n screenshots basically means re-shotting most of them, I'd think... [10:47] sure [10:47] re-shooting, even... [10:47] it's just a question of who does it [10:47] and where they put them [10:47] i don't really think we can do them [10:47] too much time required [10:48] the translator teams are going to have to do them, along with their text translations [10:48] mdke, oh ya, that [10:49] Burgundavia: just a thought, maybe you should figure out what screenshots you want, and produce a spec sheet for them to go along with the text? [10:50] Madpilot, the spec would be "duplicate the english screenshot", with instructions for the tricky ones [10:51] Burgundavia: so you're going to produce 'draft' screenshots to go out with the translation packs, and do final ones after whatever relevant late freeze is past? [10:51] sweet, gnome already has a guide [10:51] http://live.gnome.org/ReleaseNotes_2fTranslating [10:51] yeah it should only be necessary for the shots that are not obviously self explanatory [10:51] Madpilot, I am not worried about translations for the quicktour, to be honest [10:52] fair enough... [10:52] why? [10:52] it would be nice, but it is not a mission critical piece of docs [10:52] i think it would be very nice indeed [10:52] locoteams can put the doc on their websites [10:52] it is a marketing doc, nobody is going to not be able to do $foo if it doesn't get translated for release [10:53] marketing should be done in more languages than english though IMO [10:53] yes it should, but the primary translating focus should be the faqguide [10:55] I'm sure the quicktour will not take up a lot of translators time [10:55] about-ubuntu was translated in about a day for many languages === WaterSevenUb [n=WaterSev@azevedo.astro.up.pt] has joined #ubuntu-doc [11:05] Madpilot, do you see adds on cbc.ca? [11:05] s/adds/ads [11:10] nope === klepas [n=klepas@203-213-31-142.static.tpgi.com.au] has left #ubuntu-doc ["Cheerio!"] [11:11] got an adblocker working in Opera now - it's a bit of a hack, but it's usually cool [11:14] mdke, you got adblocking enabled? [11:16] Burgundavia: ewww, Dell ads... (just started FF, haven't been to CBC with it yet...) [11:16] Madpilot, ok, they are still there [11:25] Burgundavia: across the top on the main page; down the right side on article pages, it seems. Ick. [11:25] I wrote a very strongly worded letter to CBC and the the MP's about it [11:25] ...and the ads remain... ah well. at least when you adblock the top ad, it collapses neatly rather than leaving a blank rectangle... [11:25] anyway, I need sleep. Later, all. [11:46] Burgundavia, no [11:46] night Madpilot [11:48] mdke, never mind [11:48] mdke, the CBC is undergoing a major labour dispute and has apparently decides ads on its webpage is kosher === Burgundavia wishes the CBC would emulate the beeb more [11:49] :D [12:22] night all === Seveas [n=seveas@ksl403-uva-132.wireless.uva.nl] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mpt [n=mpt@201-1-132-73.dsl.telesp.net.br] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jjesse [n=jjesse@mail.ftpb.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc [02:54] mdke, hey... in what context appears these strings to translate in the FAQ guide? : "Split this FAQ Guide into multiple files to make it easier to edit. Also put this revision history in the correct order." [02:54] mdke, " Align with Unofficial Ubuntu Guide 3.04".... [02:54] those are strings that will not appear to the user right? === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-doc === judax [n=troy@ppp-70-129-201-39.dsl.austtx.swbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [03:45] WaterSevenUb, correct, they are just revisions === WaterSevenUb_ [n=WaterSev@azevedo.astro.up.pt] has joined #ubuntu-doc === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.7.130.247] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jsgotangco [n=jsg@info1-74.info.com.ph] has joined #ubuntu-doc [04:27] hi === mpt [n=mpt@200-171-140-32.dsl.telesp.net.br] has joined #ubuntu-doc [05:02] jsgotangco: hi [05:03] jsgotangco: You're up late. =) [05:03] hey [05:03] its only 11pm [05:03] heh [05:03] i've been busy pimping at linuxworld [05:03] so i haven't been around that much [05:06] linuxworld? [05:06] Where's that this year? [05:06] nahh its the local linux world event [05:06] we always have a linuxworld here too [05:06] jbailey: i think its going to be in San francisco next year [05:07] i have a cool pic i'll post it when i get to scan it later [05:07] heh [05:07] Ah, a bit far to trek to for me. [05:07] Although I love the bay area. [05:07] the linuxworld here is silly though [05:07] it had microsoft as a major sponsor [05:08] !!! =) [05:08] argh [05:08] i might put some translations in branches/breezy [05:08] there are quite a lot of about-ubuntu done already [05:08] yeah they had 3 booth babes, good thing i got my ubuntu shirt from udu today they were actually giving out pics [05:09] i have me a pic in my udu shirt with 3 MS booth babes wearing their MS halters [05:10] mdke: you can probably overwrite the existing ones it is a breezy branch anyways [05:10] yes i will [05:10] jbailey, do you fancy seeing if you can get them into the package? [05:11] i haven't checked the status of about ubuntu in rosetta === jsgotangco checks now [05:11] it's good [05:11] loads of languages [05:13] mdke: how come some still have 1 todo? [05:13] jsgotangco, because they do [05:14] wonder what string is that [05:14] even dutch has 1 todo [05:14] it varies [05:14] portugues [05:15] spanish has left out "translator-credits" [05:15] pt_BR has left out a large paragraph about gnome [05:15] w00t we have hebrew now! [05:15] serbian! romanian! [05:15] etc [05:15] yep === mdke waits for his exported po files [05:19] mdke: thanks for fixing the typo i made i kuserguide :) [05:20] np [05:20] what country code is fa? [05:21] fa as language? [05:21] must be persian [05:21] farsi [05:21] most probably [05:22] mdke: Sorry, I hadn't noticed this window, lemme scroll back. === karlheg [n=karlheg@host-250-237.resnet.pdx.edu] has joined #ubuntu-doc [05:22] mdke: Sure. How do I get them out of Rosetta? [05:22] =) [05:23] mdke will pull it out and transform it back to xml and commit? [05:23] jbailey, i'm getting them [05:23] me me me [05:23] w00h00 [05:23] I still need to upload ubuntu-docs [05:23] Sorry I'm behind on this, guys. [05:23] np [05:23] np [05:23] how about the scrollkeeper bit? [05:23] i'm going to limit my role to getting them from rosetta and making xml [05:24] heh [05:24] ok i can probably do the omf files [05:24] some of them are there already so you should be able to copy [05:25] mdke: sure but it'll still be edited/reviewed for correctness in the install path [05:25] and probably generate a new id [05:26] shit [05:26] there is a bug in about-ubuntu.xml still [05:26] eh? [05:26] if you open it in yelp, and go to the participate page, the icon that should only be on the first page is at the bottom [05:27] its like that in hoary [05:27] i never had the chance to tweak it [05:28] should have been there instead [05:28] can you sort it? [05:29] well not at this time but its trivial for one doc... [05:29] let me check the correct syntax for it [05:29] k [05:29] we'll probably end up editing the xml for even the translated doc for 1 or 2 lines [05:35] if you fix it in the original, we'll be ok [05:36] upload a new pot then? [05:36] ok gimme till tommorow when you wake up [05:41] i find lots of references on the wiki and site to the ubuntu manifesto, but i can't find the actual manifesto. does anyone have a link for me? [05:44] now that you mention it... [05:51] now that i mention it? [05:53] i dont know either... [05:59] jbailey, ok I've uploaded some xml files for some of the finished translations to the branch [05:59] mdke: Cool, thanks! [06:00] jbailey: you still have that blue highlight in your hair? [06:01] jsgotangco: Most of them have fallen out now. I think I have 2 or 3 left. [06:01] jsgotangco: I'll be getting them redone in October, probably. [06:01] heh [06:02] Since it was my first set, I didn't know how to take care of them terribly well. I lost 2 in the first two weeks, and a few others shortly after that from general abuse. [06:03] im thinking of getting something done with my hair it has grown since udu [06:14] Nice. [06:15] Getting the blue streaks wsa the first time I'd done anything fun with my hair. [06:15] I figure it's the end of my quarter-life crisis or so. [06:15] haha [06:15] heh [06:28] good night everyone =) === Seveas [n=seveas@seveas.demon.nl] has joined #ubuntu-doc === highvolt1ge [n=Jono@196.7.130.247] has joined #ubuntu-doc === poningru [n=poningru@n128-227-27-38.xlate.ufl.edu] has joined #ubuntu-doc === karlheg [n=karlheg@host-250-237.resnet.pdx.edu] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Burgundavia [n=corey@S0106000000cc07fc.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === HrdwrBoB [n=matt@bob.is.teh.admin.at.vicnet.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-doc