=== remik [n=remik@xdsl-3144.wroclaw.dialog.net.pl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ryanthiessen [n=ryan@168-103-148-90.tukw.qwest.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === plugwash [i=plugwash@p10link.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === lakin [n=lakin@dsl-hill-66-18-228-60-cgy.nucleus.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === remik is now known as remi === womble [n=mpalmer@syd1.wwf.org.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:57] bradb: the new team page makes more sense, thanks. [02:00] tseng: don't thank me for that, it was probably mpt or salgado. ;) i've got some major treats for you guys currently in the code review phase [02:00] :) [02:00] elite [02:00] bradb: good to hear === ajmitch looks for what's different about teams [02:04] interesting, tickets? [02:04] the item says Edit Team vs View Team or something [02:04] right [02:04] which is part of what pissed me off [02:05] man, the actions menu when I look at my page on LP is busy === ajmitch will bbl === necdot [n=sordic@201009096123.user.veloxzone.com.br] has joined #ubuntu-motu === necdot [n=sordic@201009096123.user.veloxzone.com.br] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Fui] === bddebian [n=bddebian@pcp08717033pcs.phnixv01.pa.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:00] Anyone know if the tinyurl.com/btwff link in the top is still valid/important? [03:02] sh would [03:02] OK, thx tseng [03:02] crimsun: ping? === jaldhar [n=jaldhar@pcp09354977pcs.jersyc01.nj.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:03] Heya jaldhar [03:03] jaldhar: You're in Jersey? === slomo_ [n=slomo@p5487F9A2.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:24] Anyone have a problem with me syncing libnjb 2-2.1 from Debian? [03:29] good night everyone [03:29] bye [03:29] Later mbr... whoops [03:36] Ice cream time.. [03:47] bddebian: still there? In reference to your question, yes I'm still in NJ, Jersey City to be precise === LaserJock [n=LaserJoc@ppp-69-239-137-157.dsl.renocs.pacbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:56] jaldhar: Ah cool, I'm in Philly area [03:58] is there a way to list all of the packages installed on a system that belong to a certian group (Graphics, Mathematics, Editors, etc)? [03:59] bddebian: yes [03:59] bddebian: don't sync it [04:01] slomo_: OK [04:01] do you want a reason? ;) [04:02] Nope, I'll take your word. I gotta go watch "Lost" :-) [04:02] well... you get the reason anyway :P [04:02] it will break everything depending on it.. [04:02] because of different package name === jtan325 [n=jtan325@c-24-19-241-133.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:02] libnjb5 vs libnjb4 (what we have now) [04:03] probably just a rebuild for everything but i don't want to mess with it for breezy... maybe someone else wants ;) === LaserJock [n=LaserJoc@ppp-69-239-137-157.dsl.renocs.pacbell.net] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === Nafallo_ [i=nafallo@unaffiliated/nafallo] has joined #ubuntu-motu === punkrockguy318 [n=lukas@pcp02403042pcs.brdgtn01.nj.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === seth_k|lappy [n=seth@asmallorange.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:39] hrm... still no moritorium on uploads, right? [04:47] LaserJock: ping === lakin [n=lakin@dsl-hill-66-18-228-60-cgy.nucleus.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Marce [n=marce@2001:6f8:929:0:0:0:0:9] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:37] bddebian: pong [05:44] crimsun: Have you tried vlc 8.4 from unstable ? [05:45] bddebian: I'm still merging it [05:45] it will only compile on i386, which does no good for ppc and amd64 [05:50] crimsun: That's 8.2 [05:52] bddebian: sid is 8.4+svn [05:53] Aye, but the one on MoM is 8.2 [05:53] So you are working with the 8.4? [05:53] yes :) [05:53] OK [05:53] remember I asked elmo for an 8.4+svn sync mistakenly ;) [05:54] Oh, I didn't know that :-) [05:54] back in a bit :) === abarbaccia_ [n=abarbacc@69-162-20-65.stcgpa.adelphia.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:07] Man this shit is sooo frustrating === robitaille [n=robitail@d154-5-117-228.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jsgotangco [n=jsg@61.9.48.34] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:30] hi all [06:36] hello jsgotangco === rob^ [n=rob@pdpc/supporter/student/rob-ubuntu] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:07] ajmitch: omg you awake [07:08] schweeb: yes, and? [07:09] ajmitch: just making sure [07:09] what's up [07:10] since I missed about all of Breezy's development.... I need to be more active in the next release [07:10] I blame my complacence on my job [07:14] meh [07:14] I'm still at work at the moment [07:14] I've hardly done anything on breezy [07:15] yea... work cut all my access [07:15] ouch [07:15] no AIM even.... through chrysler [07:15] once EDS gives me the proper accounts, I get AIM back [07:16] no ip over dns? :) [07:16] I haven't tried DNS [07:16] but https will be blocked, I guess [07:17] I tried SSH over HTTPS... but SSH sends a version in its first packet [07:17] and they block SSh [07:17] it sends opensshx.xx or some shit [07:17] and the app layer proxy sees it [07:17] and says fuck you [07:18] we have no public DNS access w/o the proxy anyways [07:18] only internal DNS [07:18] corkscrew.. [07:18] which kinda ends the DNS option [07:18] the proxy resolves all addys [07:19] you should be able to use corkscrew to ssh out on port 443 [07:19] as thats needed for SSL so allowed on nearly all proxies [07:19] I'll have to check out corkscrew... [07:19] try telnet to yoru proxy [07:19] and go [07:20] CONNECT yourhost.com:443 HTTP/1.1 [07:20] but I used to use a tunneling script before... [07:20] and they killed it [07:20] if that works [07:20] you can open ssh on port 443 [07:20] then ssh through it [07:20] corkscrew is great, actually :) [07:20] tunnel to whatever [07:20] with corkscrew [07:20] ppp over ssh over https ;) [07:20] ssh -o "ProxyCommand corkscrew proxyhost proxyport %h %p" [07:20] ajmitch: haha [07:20] I used to use similar, Lathiat [07:21] you'd be lucky to get 4 K/sec with that combo [07:21] I forget the script's name [07:21] but it tunneled over SSl [07:21] and is fairly well known [07:21] httptunnel? [07:21] yea [07:21] think so maybe [07:22] the problem is that SSH sends the identifier in its header, which normal SSL apps don't [07:33] wah? === Lathiat used to do 150K/s + with that setup [07:35] Lathiat: ppp on top as well? :) [07:35] uh no [07:35] ssh over https is quick enough [07:36] but even with ppp itd work fine [07:36] nah [07:36] i used to use openvpn [07:36] rather than ppp [07:36] tcp over tcp is never healthy [07:36] it worked fine ;) [07:36] it wasnt a really lossy link or anyhthing [07:36] slowdowns in the bottom tcp layer cause greater slowdowns further up [07:36] so it wasnt totally killing it [07:45] gar, can't close a bug in malone, where has the edit link gone? [07:46] I see, they put it on the distro/product name [07:46] how irritating === abarbaccia [n=abarbacc@69-162-20-65.stcgpa.adelphia.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === thoreauputic [n=prospero@wolax6-164.dialup.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-motu === pef [n=loic@lns-vlq-39f-81-56-130-224.adsl.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:34] hello === susus_ [n=sz@p5089F521.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === thoreauputic [n=prospero@wolax6-164.dialup.optusnet.com.au] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Leaving"] === elbi [n=elbi@cpe.atm4-0-1301006.0x50a0824e.vgnxx6.customer.tele.dk] has joined #ubuntu-motu === dholbach [i=foobar@dyn224-130.dsl.ligado.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:01] good morning === shawarma [i=shawarma@dolomit-ext.tnb.aau.dk] has joined #ubuntu-motu === mornfall [n=mornfall@kde/developer/mornfall] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === susus__ [n=sz@p5089ED64.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Gervystar [n=gervysta@62.94.208.119] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:09] dholbach: good morning daniel [09:10] hey loic! how's it going? [09:12] dholbach: seeking for a job, not very easy :/ and I try to fix remaining GL transitions packages, some of them have weird diff.gz, with autotools-dev stuff inside :/ have to delete stuff from them to have .diff smaller than 20k :) [09:13] check what they did to Makefile.am or configure.ac to be sure to know WHAT they changed - the rest is just generated stuff [09:13] i hope the best for you... hope you find a nice job soon [09:14] pef: bon courage! :) [09:14] dholbach: merci :] [09:14] Good morning everybody. [09:14] hey hunger [09:15] Question: Can new packages be added to the archive now? Just because they can't be included in Breezy, they can still be in the archive waiting for the next release... Or do we want to keep the archive clean until after the release? [09:16] the archive is warty, hoary, breezy, there is nothing else [09:16] elmo's NEW queue is not the archive :) [09:16] but we may still get stuff in, although our priorities are clear: fix existing stuff [09:17] but if there's something out there that will change the users world, there is still time to get it in good shape for release [09:18] Well, this involves a adding a package to universe, having it moved to main, and applying a patch to main... I don't really see that happening, although being able to play mms:// urls out of the box would be nice for the users. [09:18] are you sure it positively needs to be in main? [09:19] dholbach: How about scribus 1.3? It is supposed to be a huge step forwartd. [09:19] dholbach: Yes. [09:19] dholbach: gstreamer is going to depend on it. [09:20] hunger: if you kindly investigate, if it 1) builds with our build-dependencies, 2) not introduces millions of untested features, 3) has no major other problems, 4) hopefully fixes old stuff, we may consider it [09:20] shawarma: not the other way round? [09:20] dholbach: Nope. [09:20] i suggest you talk about that to the gstreamer maintainer [09:20] dholbach: I can try... within the limits of the non-network world my ubuntu has to live in:-( [09:20] dholbach: It's libmms, which provides mms:// functionality. gstreamer needs it to provide that functionality in its framework. [09:21] what about a mms package, which provides libmms and gstreamer-plugin0.8-mms? [09:21] dholbach: I will. Could we rush it into universe so I could move it along to main, if they say go? [09:21] dholbach: It COULD be done, but it's really stupid to have the same source package in both main and universe just with different makefiles.. [09:21] shawarma: i'm not the gstreamer maintainer, so my answer might be ... erm ... misleading :) [09:22] dholbach: I mean libmms. [09:22] dholbach: It's in REVU. [09:22] dholbach: Uploaded yesterday. [09:22] dholbach: can you try to build poker3d with my debdiff in pbuilder ? [09:22] pef: erm, why? :) [09:22] pef: does it build for you? [09:22] pef: i'm currently on i386 only [09:22] shawarma: you could file a wishlist bug [09:23] dholbach: Oh, just noticed that scribus 1.3 is a development version. [09:23] hunger: ah ok [09:23] dholbach: I'll have a quick chat with the gstreamer maintainer.. [09:23] dholbach: But a new 1.2 minor release is out... [09:23] dholbach: Nafallo has an error I can't get :) [09:23] shawarma: super [09:23] dholbach: and yes, it builds for me [09:23] pef: which architecture is he on? [09:24] Hmmm... debian does not have that one yet. [09:24] dholbach: I haven't asked to him, good idea :) [09:24] But then it was released only yesterday:-) [09:24] dholbach: Oh, just a thought... I haven't tested in on neither amd64 nor ppc, and I don't have access to either.. [09:27] dholbach: I'd feel stupid asking to have somthing moved to main that doesn't even work on amd64. [09:27] shawarma: i suppose we will get it tested beforehand [09:29] dholbach: Do we (MOTU) have the infrastructure to test it? I'd like it to be as polished as possible before submitting it to main.. [09:30] shawarma: if you ask guys to kindly test it, we have some guys with ppc and amd64 [09:31] pef_aw: where is your debdiff? i'll give it a spin [09:31] dholbach: Makefile.in is generated stuff, isn't it ? [09:31] dholbach: http://dev.erodia.net/ubuntu/MOTUGLUTransition/poker3d_0.2.12-1ubuntu3.debdiff [09:31] pef_aw: only if there's a Makefile.am or Makefile.in.in or osmething [09:31] mm ok, thanks [09:32] dholbach: the diff's size is 1.2M oO [09:32] dholbach: Oh,right. [09:32] nice === herzi [n=herzi@d014125.adsl.hansenet.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:38] I have to leave to find a job :) later ! [09:39] pef_aw: got my /query? [09:40] yes [09:40] super === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jsgotangco [n=jsg@61.9.48.122] has joined #ubuntu-motu === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-motu === pitti [n=pitti@195.227.105.180] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:50] Hi folks [10:50] could anybody please have a look at the affix FTBFS? the new version fixes a security hole === jorgp3 [n=jorgp@bnet-dial2-228.bartnet.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:03] mmm [11:05] hey Lathiat, pitti === koke [n=koke@169.Red-217-127-113.pooles.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:12] pitti: weird [11:12] pitti: it built fine here [11:13] Lathiat: http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/a/affix/2.1.2-3/ [11:13] hi ajmitch [11:13] oh [11:13] oh yes [11:13] built fine [11:13] pitti: yeh i read it [11:13] but it builds so... === Lathiat puzzles [11:13] perhaps affix-kernel wasnt built first? [11:13] try a give-back? === tvelocity [n=tony@ipa251.6.tellas.gr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:15] Lathiat: we can do this, yes [11:25] hrm affix-kernel is old tho, weird === thesaltydog [n=yoshi@host194-61.pool8023.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-motu === mbreit [n=mo@p54876C07.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === pef [n=pef@lns-vlq-39f-81-56-130-224.adsl.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jorgp3 [n=jorgp@bnet-dial2-228.bartnet.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === TMM [n=hp@c51471f2c.cable.wanadoo.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ogra [n=ogra@p5089ED64.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Gervystar [n=gervysta@62.94.208.119] has joined #ubuntu-motu === doko_ [n=doko@dsl-084-059-089-127.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:22] gah, \sh uploaded the python-imdbpy *crack* === xerxas [n=xerxas@25.31.98-84.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Seveas [n=seveas@ksl403-uva-132.wireless.uva.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === pitti [n=pitti@195.227.105.180] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === plugwash [i=plugwash@p10link.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === trulux [n=lorenzo@unaffiliated/trulux] has joined #ubuntu-motu === shawarma [i=shawarma@dolomit-ext.tnb.aau.dk] has joined #ubuntu-motu === terrex [n=terrex@84-122-83-29.onocable.ono.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:04] tseng: ping === jorgp3 [n=jorgp@bnet-dial2-228.bartnet.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jorgp3 [n=jorgp@bnet-dial2-228.bartnet.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jinty [n=jinty@205.134.224.215] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Hirion [n=Hirion@p5487F9A2.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:41] dholbach: ping [01:41] herzi: pong [01:41] who do i ask to sync a package with debian? [01:42] James Troup (aka elmo) does syncs [01:42] <\sh> moins [01:42] hey \sh [01:43] is launchpad terribly slow atm? [01:43] <\sh> got up too late...damn [01:45] i'm out for lunch [01:45] see you [01:45] <\sh> cu dholbach [01:58] <\sh> Nafallo: ping what was the page for dotUbuntu proposal ? === Valandil [n=chrys@dsl-084-056-124-048.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:24] <\sh> checking for GL/GLwMDrawA.h... no [02:24] <\sh> checking for X11/GLw/GLwMDrawA.h... no [02:24] <\sh> configure: error: *** Unable to locate GLwM includes. [02:24] <\sh> argl [02:24] \sh: was python-imdbpy put back in the unmet deps list at some point? [02:25] <\sh> ajmitch: not that I know off...but i can check === ajmitch was redoing those packages to be somewhat closer to sane [02:25] <\sh> no [02:25] <\sh> not there anymore [02:26] that's because you uploaded them :P [02:26] the packages were a mess, to put it gently ;) [02:27] <\sh> many packages are messy ;) [02:28] <\sh> we have to take a look to those python packages with 2.1/2.2 binary packages..that's why they come back to unmet deps [02:28] I know [02:28] these were imported from apt-get.org [02:32] <\sh> grmpf === dholbach [i=foobar@dyn224-130.dsl.ligado.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:42] <\sh> ok guys I need this file GLwMDrawA.h [02:42] <\sh> but it's not in any libgl* package anymore [02:43] what are you trying to build? [02:43] <\sh> grass [02:43] grass is broken ? [02:43] damned [02:43] !!! [02:43] <\sh> yes [02:43] <\sh> the includes are missing === shawarma [i=shawarma@dolomit-ext.tnb.aau.dk] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:44] \sh, i promised uli it would be there...grmpf... [02:44] <\sh> and they were in xlibmesa-gl-dev [02:44] \sh, he wants to use it at the office [02:44] \sh, best to ask daniels i guess [02:44] <\sh> think so [02:45] <\sh> which TZ? === pef [n=pef@lns-vlq-39f-81-56-130-224.adsl.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:45] \sh, melbourne [02:46] hmm, indeeed it should be in libgl1-mesa-dev as it was in xlibmesa-gl-dev [02:46] <\sh> I'm writing an email === jamessan|work [n=jamessan@c-24-218-220-129.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:50] <\sh> mail send to daniels [02:54] <\sh> ogra: I make sure it will be there in time ;) [02:54] \sh, i'll tell uli, so he can pay you in coffee ;) [02:55] <\sh> ogra: hehe :) coffee is free anyways ;) [02:56] ok, beer then [02:56] <\sh> no beer during work ;) [02:57] heh === astharot [n=whitehat@pdpc/supporter/monthly-silver/astharot] has joined #ubuntu-motu === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:04] okay guys, i have a problem which i can't solve... so i need your help.... [03:04] yes? [03:05] i fixed the ardour package... it builds fine on my pbuilder [03:05] but it does not on the buildds... [03:05] <\sh> log? [03:05] the problem is "Checking for C header file alsa/asoundlib.h... no" [03:05] http://hwdb.ubuntu.com/buildlogs/?show=http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/a/ardour/0.9beta29-5ubuntu1/ardour_0.9beta29-5ubuntu1_20050915-1312-i386-failed.gz [03:06] that header is in libasound2-dev, which the buildd installed correctly before building [03:06] in my pbuilder, it says "Checking for C header file alsa/asoundlib.h... yes", same libasound2-dev version [03:08] <\sh> broken scons ? [03:08] i have no idea.. [03:08] <\sh> scons is evil [03:08] the line in SConstruct says "if conf.CheckCHeader('alsa/asoundlib.h'): [03:08] " [03:09] that sounds right to me (and works well here) [03:10] <\sh> grmpf..i need to go shopping [03:11] any idea for my problem? [03:11] <\sh> checking [03:14] <\sh> hmm... [03:14] <\sh> ask lamont/infinity what could be wrong with the buildd [03:14] hmm... okay... thanks anyway \sh! [03:15] <\sh> I don't see anything wrong [03:16] let's see what infinity will have to say [03:22] <\sh> going shopping [03:22] <\sh> bbl [03:22] \sh_away: have fun ;) === Whistler [n=admin@85.206.161.78] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Whistler [n=admin@85.206.161.78] has left #ubuntu-motu ["www.mad-boy.info"] === dereks_ [n=dereks@66.9.7.66] has joined #ubuntu-motu === thesaltydog [n=yoshi@host194-61.pool8023.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:38] dholbach, Hi ! [03:40] hi fabio [03:40] things are going weel? What about your thesis? [03:40] s/weel/well/ [03:42] argh, people bringing up autopackage again [03:42] @ wiki [03:43] yay [03:43] ajmitch: the /BOFs page [03:43] even [03:43] thesaltydog: i finished it, thanks :) [03:43] Treenaks: oh no [03:44] dholbach, ok. Well done! [03:44] ajmitch: exactly [03:44] I know that will get rejected long before UBZ starts [03:44] thesaltydog: thank you :) [03:44] dholbach, did you get my mail? [03:45] thesaltydog: about baobab? [03:45] yes [03:45] thesaltydog: sorry, if i didn't answer, if i daresay, i was way to busy the last days [03:45] dholbach, I imagine. I am following all the busy things you and the others are doing.. [03:46] thanks for understanding [03:46] dholbach, maybe for the future can I be of any help? [03:47] thesaltydog, become a MOTU ;) [03:47] thesaltydog: sure... this channel is exactly where you need to ask :-) [03:47] ciao Oliver.. [03:47] :) [03:47] ogra, will you then send me a medal? [03:47] thesaltydog: if you're free this weekend, we have a bug day on saturday [03:48] thesaltydog, sure ;) [03:48] ajmitch, I will be there. Time? [03:48] all day [03:48] 48 hours ;) [03:48] ogra, ahh. oh, I'm feeling better...:-) [03:48] ajmitch, I'll be there === ajmitch will be the first to be in saturday [03:49] great, thanks === bddebian [n=bddebian@user216-178-65-218.netcarrier.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:49] :) [03:49] Heya gang [03:49] hey BARRY [03:49] hello bddebian [03:49] hey bddebian [03:50] oh, and hi daniel ;) [03:50] hey moritz === HiddenWolf [n=HiddenWo@136.83.dynamic.phpg.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:50] ciao everybody. see you all on sat'day. [03:50] dholbach: did you read about my ardour-problem? [03:50] ardour? [03:51] dholbach: scroll up a bit ;) [03:51] Hello Daniel, Andrew, Moritz [03:51] hrm [03:53] mbreit: sorry, no idea, try in #ubuntu-devel [03:53] dholbach: i will do that, i wait for infinity to talk to him... sounds like a buildd issue for me [03:54] i just hoped that you have any idea ;) [03:54] sorry :-/ [03:54] np... thanks for looking at it ;) [03:55] OK gang, I need a general strategy direction here. For neutrino, there are a ton of gcc errors in the current version. The new version works fine but needs a newer libnjb which has several rdepends. Do I try to force build with gcc-3.4 or the cflags for less strict checks, what??? [03:56] any patches in bugs.debian.org? [03:56] any patches upstream? [03:56] nope, i also looked at that package ;) [03:57] seems like we should sync libnjb, recompile all rdepends and sync neutrino [03:57] a/win 18 === ajmitch needs sleep, see you all tomorrow (or later today :) ) [04:00] <\sh> cu ajmitch [04:00] <\sh> back from shopping *phew* === lamont__ [n=lamont@15.238.5.82] has joined #ubuntu-motu === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.7.130.247] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:13] Could I pursuade a couple of MOTUs to take a peek at http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=574 ? There is a chance (although slim) that it might make it into main in time for Breezy, but it kind of needs to be in universe before that.. [04:13] <\sh> shawarma: in main? u joking :) [04:13] \sh: Nope. [04:14] shawarma, main is locked down tight, and has been for weeks. [04:14] \sh: seb128 told me it MIGHT. [04:14] <\sh> into universe yes...but main? [04:15] \sh: Yes. Because gstreamer will depend on it. [04:15] shawarma, not even new upstream versions, let alone new packages... [04:15] siretart, you around? [04:15] HiddenWolf: Don't shoot the messenger. :-) [04:16] shawarma, just restating some quite factual information. [04:16] HiddenWolf: Hey, I was just as surprised as you. [04:16] We're in both upstreamversion- and feature/stringfreeze at the moment... [04:16] <\sh> getting the infos directly from source ,-) [04:17] I asked seb128 quite directly if it was out of the question and he wasn't sure. No offense, but I'll trust him more than any of you when it comes to this. [04:17] He is - after all - the gstreamer maintainer. [04:17] <\sh> shawarma: but he's not mdz [04:17] <\sh> and mdz decides [04:17] Ok.. [04:17] shawarma, he maintains a lot more than that. The ones who decide are mdz and sabdfl tho. [04:18] Yesyes. === GazerWork [n=gazer@mail.aktiv-assekuranz.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:18] anyhow, never mind that. The only thing that is 100% certain is that it won't go into main if it isn't in universe.. [04:18] <\sh> but if he needs it he could push it directly into universe without us [04:19] \sh: Hmm... I suppose. [04:21] <\sh> shawarma: I will discuss this issue with him :) [04:21] \sh: Cool. [04:25] dpkg --contents hebcal_3.4-2build1_i386.deb | grep dir.gz [04:25] -rw-r--r-- root/root 1432 2005-07-08 19:49:29 ./usr/share/info/dir.gz [04:25] *thwap* [04:25] shawarma: thanks for packaging libmms :) i had this on my todo list for dapper === jsgotangco [n=jsg@info1-74.info.com.ph] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:26] <\sh> lamont__: what's dir.gz? ,-) [04:27] a file that should not be delivered (iz RC bug) [04:27] autocrap droppings [04:27] shawarma: i'll take a look at it [04:27] slomo_: No problem. I helped develop the damn thing, so it's only fair that I package it, too. :-) [04:28] <\sh> lamont__: but u tried to move it away ;) [04:28] shawarma: please remove README.Debian or put content in it... and in changelog remove the ITP stuff, we have no ITP ;) [04:29] shawarma: raise standards-version to 3.6.2 [04:29] slomo_, dholbach: Sorry, I had to step out for a minute but I don't see a decision ;-) [04:29] Heya \sh [04:29] <\sh> bddebian: 15:57 < slomo_> seems like we should sync libnjb, recompile all rdepends and sync neutrino [04:29] \sh: seems like <> Let's do ;-) [04:30] shawarma: use the original tarball... this one has at least a different md5sum [04:30] <\sh> bddebian: libnjb4 ? [04:31] \sh: yes... and it's libnjb5 now ;) that's part of the problem [04:31] Where is libnjb5 coming from? [04:31] shawarma: include the full 3 paragraphs of the LGPL like in the source files in debian/copyright [04:32] bddebian: renamed binary package... so it is probably incompatible to the old one [04:32] Oh, nm [04:32] bddebian: please test if it works ;) [04:32] slomo_: Have you happened to look at the rdepends for libnjb? Are any of them in main? [04:32] <\sh> only 3 [04:33] bddebian: none is... because libnjb is in universe and main stuff must not depend on universe [04:33] <\sh> and if libnjb4 is in universe, nothing in main can depend on universe stuff [04:33] Well that doesn't seem to be the case for lirc :-) === HWolf [n=HiddenWo@136.202.dynamic.phpg.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:33] <\sh> bddebian: where do u see lirc ? [04:33] shawarma: please add something like upstream author to the copyright file... best with contact address ;) [04:33] <\sh> shermann@shermann-laptop:~/packages/breezy/hebcal/hebcal-3.4/debian$ apt-cache rdepends libnjb4 [04:33] <\sh> libnjb4 [04:33] <\sh> Reverse Depends: libnjb-dev kzenexplorer gnomad2 [04:33] Aye [04:34] <\sh> so only two packages [04:34] slomo_: Argh, I reran dh_make at one point.. that must have overwritten some stuff it shouldn't have.. [04:34] slomo_: I'll fix those things right away. gimme 5 minutes. [04:34] <\sh> bddebian: or is your package using libnjb1? [04:34] \sh: My package? ;-) [04:35] <\sh> bddebian: neutrino ;) [04:35] shawarma: ok... notify me then :) i'll wait for you ;) [04:35] \sh: nope... it needs the newest one ;) [04:35] \sh: libnjb-dev (>> 2.2) [04:35] <\sh> so 4 .. well... [04:35] <\sh> bddebian: check libnjb5 with neutrino ;) [04:35] <\sh> and the rest ,-) [04:35] \sh: and the fixed version in debian needs 5 ;) [04:35] Oh aye === bddebian is getting confused ;-) [04:36] <\sh> slomo_: ok...we have 1+4 why not 5 as add package [04:36] <\sh> and if kzenexplorer and gnomad2 are running with 5 as well, drop 4 [04:36] \sh: I was thinking that too. But all of them have libnjb-dev right? Would we have to have libnjb5-dev? [04:36] \sh: 4 will be dropped automatically ;) that's the problem... [04:37] <\sh> slomo_: conflicts/replaces? [04:37] \sh: the source package that generated 4 generates now 5 [04:37] <\sh> argl [04:37] \sh: well, it will stay but without source package for it... [04:37] I'll test them [04:37] <\sh> what crap is it ... [04:38] bddebian: most probably all will work with 5... it's just a jump from 2.1 to 2.2 iirc [04:39] Yes === pef [n=pef@lns-vlq-39f-81-56-130-224.adsl.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:41] \sh: i think libmss in main would be fine for breezy... but when it doesn't get in main i'll add the plugin to gst-plugins-multiverse so nothing is lost ;) [04:43] <\sh> slomo_: this is out of question...the thing is...if sebastian _needs_ it for breezy he could push it without questioning us [04:43] he doesn't _need_ it... it would just be nice to have it ;) [04:43] and it doesn't create problems [04:44] <\sh> ok...so lets push it into universe and into multiverse plugins :) [04:45] and if someone really wants... we can ask elmo to put the binary package in universe ;) === sh_warma [i=shawarma@dolomit-ext.tnb.aau.dk] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:46] \slomo The new version has been uploaded.. [04:46] sh_warma: thanks... i'll take a look [04:46] <\sh> lamont__: dir.gz is `info` stuff hmmm.... [04:47] \sh: and built on the final install, not delivered with 40+ packages...... [04:47] since files can only be delivered by one package (unless it conficts and/or replaces the other) [04:48] <\sh> lamont__: yes...because the package does something wrong [04:48] <\sh> lamont__: dh_installinfo is not called e.g. [04:48] \sh: could be... likewise, it could just be autocrap movement under it... [04:49] <\sh> lamont__: I'm investigating in my chroot ,) [04:49] danke [04:50] <\sh> install-info(/home/shermann/packages/breezy/hebcal/hebcal-3.4/debian/hebcal/usr/share/info/hebcal.info): no file /home/shermann/packages/breezy/hebcal/hebcal-3.4/debian/hebcal/usr/share/info/dir, retrieving backup file /var/backups/infodir.bak. [04:50] <\sh> in the Makefile stuff...grmpf.. [04:50] slomo_: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=575 [04:51] shawarma: already have it on my hdd ;) [04:51] slomo_: Huh? [04:51] slomo_: How? It only just showed up? [04:52] shawarma: got it from incoming ;) ok, another problem... is this already in debian/unstable? [04:52] slomo_: Don't think so. [04:52] slomo_: I actually didn't check. [04:52] shawarma: then use -0ubuntu1 as version and breezy as distribution (not unstable) [04:53] <\sh> lamont__: I could disable the doc/ creation stuff in Makefile.am and prevent it from building...and installing the info file from rules file... [04:53] or just remove dir.gz after the install step finishes... [04:53] <\sh> lamont__: I tried it already...didn't help [04:53] <\sh> dir.gz dir.old.gz [04:54] shawarma: isn't in debian yet... so when you want to keep maintainership fill an debian ITP later and search someone to sponsor it... otherwise it can happen that someone else packages it for debian and we just sync his version [04:54] <\sh> una momenta [04:54] \sh: both files. :-) [04:54] slomo_: Hmm... Should I just change the version or should I add an 1: epoch? [04:54] <\sh> lamont__: I deleted dir.gz, but it appeared in the package [04:55] slomo_: As long as it's just in REVU it shouldn't matter, should it? [04:55] \sh: suckage. [04:55] shawarma: no epoch [04:55] shawarma: epochs are evil ;) [04:55] <\sh> lamont__: yes.. [04:55] slomo_: Right. but if it had already been in the archive I would have had to add and epoch, wouldn't I? [04:55] shawarma: just change the version to -0ubuntu1... revu can handle uploads of the same version over and over again, even older versions... it just takes the upload time [04:56] <\sh> grmpf moment [04:56] shawarma: yes... probably [04:56] lamont__: perhaps you can help me with my ardour problem? [04:57] slomo_: There. Uploaded. I have to run. Catch you later! [04:57] shawarma: ok, i'll post comments on the revu page :) [04:58] mbreit: perhaps... what's the issue? [05:00] <\sh> lamont__: it's gone ;) after install it's called dir/dir.old not dir.gz/dir.old.gz ;) [05:00] <\sh> lamont__: uploading [05:00] \sh: heh [05:00] thanks [05:00]