[01:57] <tseng> bradb: the new team page makes more sense, thanks.
[02:00] <bradb> tseng: don't thank me for that, it was probably mpt or salgado. ;) i've got some major treats for you guys currently in the code review phase
[02:00] <tseng> :)
[02:00] <tseng> elite
[02:00] <ajmitch> bradb: good to hear
[02:04] <ajmitch> interesting, tickets?
[02:04] <tseng> the item says Edit Team vs View Team or something
[02:04] <ajmitch> right
[02:04] <tseng> which is part of what pissed me off
[02:05] <ajmitch> man, the actions menu when I look at my page on LP is busy
[03:00] <bddebian> Anyone know if the tinyurl.com/btwff link in the top is still valid/important?
[03:02] <tseng> sh would
[03:02] <bddebian> OK, thx tseng
[03:02] <bddebian> crimsun: ping?
[03:03] <bddebian> Heya jaldhar
[03:03] <bddebian> jaldhar: You're in Jersey?
[03:24] <bddebian> Anyone have a problem with me syncing libnjb 2-2.1 from Debian?
[03:29] <mbreit> good night everyone
[03:29] <tseng> bye
[03:29] <bddebian> Later mbr... whoops
[03:36] <bddebian> Ice cream time..
[03:47] <jaldhar> bddebian: still there?  In reference to your question, yes I'm still in NJ, Jersey City to be precise
[03:56] <bddebian> jaldhar: Ah cool, I'm in Philly area
[03:58] <LaserJock> is there a way to list all of the packages installed on a system that belong to a certian group (Graphics, Mathematics, Editors, etc)?
[03:59] <slomo_> bddebian: yes
[03:59] <slomo_> bddebian: don't sync it
[04:01] <bddebian> slomo_: OK
[04:01] <slomo_> do you want a reason? ;)
[04:02] <bddebian> Nope, I'll take your word.  I gotta go watch "Lost" :-)
[04:02] <slomo_> well... you get the reason anyway :P
[04:02] <slomo_> it will break everything depending on it..
[04:02] <slomo_> because of different package name
[04:02] <slomo_> libnjb5 vs libnjb4 (what we have now)
[04:03] <slomo_> probably just a rebuild for everything but i don't want to mess with it for breezy... maybe someone else wants ;)
[04:39] <lamont> hrm... still no moritorium on uploads, right?
[04:47] <bmonty> LaserJock: ping
[05:37] <crimsun> bddebian: pong
[05:44] <bddebian> crimsun: Have you tried vlc 8.4 from unstable ?
[05:45] <crimsun> bddebian: I'm still merging it
[05:45] <crimsun> it will only compile on i386, which does no good for ppc and amd64
[05:50] <bddebian> crimsun: That's 8.2
[05:52] <crimsun> bddebian: sid is 8.4+svn
[05:53] <bddebian> Aye, but the one on MoM is 8.2
[05:53] <bddebian> So you are working with the 8.4?
[05:53] <crimsun> yes :)
[05:53] <bddebian> OK
[05:53] <crimsun> remember I asked elmo for an 8.4+svn sync mistakenly ;)
[05:54] <bddebian> Oh, I didn't know that :-)
[05:54] <crimsun> back in a bit :)
[06:07] <bddebian> Man this shit is sooo frustrating
[06:30] <jsgotangco> hi all
[06:36] <ajmitch> hello jsgotangco
[07:07] <schweeb> ajmitch: omg you awake
[07:08] <ajmitch> schweeb: yes, and?
[07:09] <schweeb> ajmitch: just making sure
[07:09] <schweeb> what's up
[07:10] <schweeb> since I missed about all of Breezy's development.... I need to be more active in the next release
[07:10] <schweeb> I blame my complacence on my job
[07:14] <ajmitch> meh
[07:14] <ajmitch> I'm still at work at the moment
[07:14] <ajmitch> I've hardly done anything on breezy
[07:15] <schweeb> yea... work cut all my access
[07:15] <ajmitch> ouch
[07:15] <schweeb> no AIM even.... through chrysler
[07:15] <schweeb> once EDS gives me the proper accounts, I get AIM back
[07:16] <ajmitch> no ip over dns? :)
[07:16] <schweeb> I haven't tried DNS
[07:16] <ajmitch> but https will be blocked, I guess
[07:17] <schweeb> I tried SSH over HTTPS... but SSH sends a version in its first packet
[07:17] <schweeb> and they block SSh
[07:17] <schweeb> it sends opensshx.xx or some shit
[07:17] <schweeb> and the app layer proxy sees it
[07:17] <schweeb> and says fuck you
[07:18] <schweeb> we have no public DNS access w/o the proxy anyways
[07:18] <schweeb> only internal DNS
[07:18] <ajmitch> corkscrew..
[07:18] <schweeb> which kinda ends the DNS option
[07:18] <schweeb> the proxy resolves all addys
[07:19] <Lathiat> you should be able to use corkscrew to ssh out on port 443
[07:19] <Lathiat> as thats needed for SSL so allowed on nearly all proxies
[07:19] <schweeb> I'll have to check out corkscrew...
[07:19] <Lathiat> try telnet to yoru proxy
[07:19] <Lathiat> and go
[07:20] <Lathiat> CONNECT yourhost.com:443 HTTP/1.1
[07:20] <schweeb> but I used to use a tunneling script before...
[07:20] <schweeb> and they killed it
[07:20] <Lathiat> if that works
[07:20] <Lathiat> you can open ssh on port 443
[07:20] <Lathiat> then ssh through it
[07:20] <ajmitch> corkscrew is great, actually :)
[07:20] <Lathiat> tunnel to whatever
[07:20] <Lathiat> with corkscrew
[07:20] <ajmitch> ppp over ssh over https ;)
[07:20] <Lathiat> ssh -o "ProxyCommand corkscrew proxyhost proxyport %h %p"
[07:20] <Lathiat> ajmitch: haha
[07:20] <schweeb> I used to use similar, Lathiat
[07:21] <ajmitch> you'd be lucky to get 4 K/sec with that combo
[07:21] <schweeb> I forget the script's name
[07:21] <schweeb> but it tunneled over SSl
[07:21] <schweeb> and is fairly well known
[07:21] <ajmitch> httptunnel?
[07:21] <schweeb> yea
[07:21] <schweeb> think so maybe
[07:22] <schweeb> the problem is that SSH sends the identifier in its header, which normal SSL apps don't
[07:33] <Lathiat> wah?
[07:35] <ajmitch> Lathiat: ppp on top as well? :)
[07:35] <Lathiat> uh no
[07:35] <ajmitch> ssh over https is quick enough
[07:36] <Lathiat> but even with ppp itd work fine
[07:36] <ajmitch> nah
[07:36] <Lathiat> i used to use openvpn
[07:36] <Lathiat> rather than ppp
[07:36] <ajmitch> tcp over tcp is never healthy
[07:36] <Lathiat> it worked fine ;)
[07:36] <Lathiat> it wasnt a really lossy link or anyhthing
[07:36] <ajmitch> slowdowns in the bottom tcp layer cause greater slowdowns further up
[07:36] <Lathiat> so it wasnt totally killing it
[07:45] <ajmitch> gar, can't close a bug in malone, where has the edit link gone?
[07:46] <ajmitch> I see, they put it on the distro/product name
[07:46] <ajmitch> how irritating
[08:34] <pef> hello
[09:01] <dholbach> good morning
[09:09] <pef> dholbach: good morning daniel
[09:10] <dholbach> hey loic! how's it going?
[09:12] <pef> dholbach: seeking for a job, not very easy :/ and  I try to fix remaining GL transitions packages, some of them have weird diff.gz, with autotools-dev stuff inside :/ have to delete stuff from them to have .diff smaller than 20k :)
[09:13] <dholbach> check what they did to Makefile.am or configure.ac to be sure to know WHAT they changed - the rest is just generated stuff
[09:13] <dholbach> i hope the best for you... hope you find a nice job soon
[09:14] <dholbach> pef: bon courage! :)
[09:14] <pef> dholbach: merci :] 
[09:14] <hunger> Good morning everybody.
[09:14] <dholbach> hey hunger
[09:15] <shawarma> Question:  Can new packages be added to the archive now? Just because they can't be included in Breezy, they can still be in the archive waiting for the next release... Or do we want to keep the archive clean until after the release?
[09:16] <dholbach> the archive is warty, hoary, breezy, there is nothing else
[09:16] <dholbach> elmo's NEW queue is not the archive :)
[09:16] <dholbach> but we may still get stuff in, although our priorities are clear: fix existing stuff
[09:17] <dholbach> but if there's something out there that will change the users world, there is still time to get it in good shape for release
[09:18] <shawarma> Well, this involves a adding a package to universe, having it moved to main, and applying a patch to main... I don't really see that happening, although being able to play mms:// urls out of the box would be nice for the users.
[09:18] <dholbach> are you sure it positively needs to be in main?
[09:19] <hunger> dholbach: How about scribus 1.3? It is supposed to be a huge step forwartd.
[09:19] <shawarma> dholbach: Yes.
[09:19] <shawarma> dholbach: gstreamer is going to depend on it.
[09:20] <dholbach> hunger: if you kindly investigate, if it 1) builds with our build-dependencies, 2) not introduces millions of untested features, 3) has no major other problems, 4) hopefully fixes old stuff, we may consider it
[09:20] <dholbach> shawarma: not the other way round?
[09:20] <shawarma> dholbach: Nope.
[09:20] <dholbach> i suggest you talk about that to the gstreamer maintainer
[09:20] <hunger> dholbach: I can try... within the limits of the non-network world my ubuntu has to live in:-(
[09:20] <shawarma> dholbach: It's libmms, which provides mms:// functionality. gstreamer needs it to provide that functionality in its framework.
[09:21] <dholbach> what about a mms package, which provides libmms and gstreamer-plugin0.8-mms?
[09:21] <shawarma> dholbach: I will. Could we rush it into universe so I could move it along to main, if they say go?
[09:21] <shawarma> dholbach: It COULD be done, but it's really stupid to have the same source package in both main and universe just with different makefiles..
[09:21] <dholbach> shawarma: i'm not the gstreamer maintainer, so my answer might be ... erm ... misleading :)
[09:22] <shawarma> dholbach: I mean libmms.
[09:22] <shawarma> dholbach: It's in REVU.
[09:22] <shawarma> dholbach: Uploaded yesterday.
[09:22] <pef> dholbach: can you try to build poker3d with my debdiff in pbuilder ?
[09:22] <dholbach> pef: erm, why? :)
[09:22] <dholbach> pef: does it build for you?
[09:22] <dholbach> pef: i'm currently on i386 only
[09:22] <dholbach> shawarma: you could file a wishlist bug
[09:23] <hunger> dholbach: Oh, just noticed that scribus 1.3 is a development version.
[09:23] <dholbach> hunger: ah ok
[09:23] <shawarma> dholbach: I'll have a quick chat with the gstreamer maintainer..
[09:23] <hunger> dholbach: But a new 1.2 minor release is out...
[09:23] <pef> dholbach: Nafallo has an error I can't get :)
[09:23] <dholbach> shawarma: super
[09:23] <pef> dholbach: and yes, it builds for me
[09:23] <dholbach> pef: which architecture is he on?
[09:24] <hunger> Hmmm... debian does not have that one yet.
[09:24] <pef> dholbach: I haven't asked to him, good idea :)
[09:24] <hunger> But then it was released only yesterday:-)
[09:24] <shawarma> dholbach: Oh, just a thought... I haven't tested in on neither amd64 nor ppc, and I don't have access to either..
[09:27] <shawarma> dholbach: I'd feel stupid asking to have somthing moved to main that doesn't even work on amd64.
[09:27] <dholbach> shawarma: i suppose we will get it tested beforehand
[09:29] <shawarma> dholbach: Do we (MOTU) have the infrastructure to test it? I'd like it to be as polished as possible before submitting it to main..
[09:30] <dholbach> shawarma: if you ask guys to kindly test it, we have some guys with ppc and amd64
[09:31] <dholbach> pef_aw: where is your debdiff? i'll give it a spin
[09:31] <pef_aw> dholbach: Makefile.in is generated stuff, isn't it ?
[09:31] <pef_aw> dholbach: http://dev.erodia.net/ubuntu/MOTUGLUTransition/poker3d_0.2.12-1ubuntu3.debdiff
[09:31] <dholbach> pef_aw: only if there's a Makefile.am or Makefile.in.in or osmething
[09:31] <pef_aw> mm ok, thanks
[09:32] <pef_aw> dholbach: the diff's size is 1.2M oO
[09:32] <shawarma> dholbach: Oh,right.
[09:32] <dholbach> nice
[09:38] <pef_aw> I have to leave to find a job :) later !
[09:39] <dholbach> pef_aw: got my /query?
[09:40] <pef_aw> yes
[09:40] <dholbach> super
[10:50] <pitti> Hi folks
[10:50] <pitti> could anybody please have a look at the affix FTBFS? the new version fixes a security hole
[11:03] <Lathiat> mmm
[11:05] <ajmitch> hey Lathiat, pitti
[11:12] <Lathiat> pitti: weird
[11:12] <Lathiat> pitti: it built fine here
[11:13] <pitti> Lathiat: http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/a/affix/2.1.2-3/
[11:13] <pitti> hi ajmitch
[11:13] <Lathiat> oh
[11:13] <Lathiat> oh yes
[11:13] <Lathiat> built fine
[11:13] <Lathiat> pitti: yeh i read it
[11:13] <Lathiat> but it builds so...
[11:13] <Lathiat> perhaps affix-kernel wasnt built first?
[11:13] <Lathiat> try a give-back?
[11:15] <pitti> Lathiat: we can do this, yes
[11:25] <Lathiat> hrm affix-kernel is old tho, weird
[12:22] <ajmitch> gah, \sh uploaded the python-imdbpy *crack*
[01:04] <Lathiat> tseng: ping
[01:41] <herzi> dholbach: ping
[01:41] <dholbach> herzi: pong
[01:41] <herzi> who do i ask to sync a package with debian?
[01:42] <dholbach> James Troup (aka elmo) does syncs
[01:42] <\sh> moins
[01:42] <dholbach> hey \sh
[01:43] <herzi> is launchpad terribly slow atm?
[01:43] <\sh> got up too late...damn
[01:45] <dholbach> i'm out for lunch
[01:45] <dholbach> see you
[01:45] <\sh> cu dholbach
[01:58] <\sh> Nafallo: ping what was the page for dotUbuntu proposal ?
[02:24] <\sh> checking for GL/GLwMDrawA.h... no
[02:24] <\sh> checking for X11/GLw/GLwMDrawA.h... no
[02:24] <\sh> configure: error: *** Unable to locate GLwM includes.
[02:24] <\sh> argl
[02:24] <ajmitch> \sh: was python-imdbpy put back in the unmet deps list at some point?
[02:25] <\sh> ajmitch: not that I know off...but i can check
[02:25] <\sh> no
[02:25] <\sh> not there anymore
[02:26] <ajmitch> that's because you uploaded them :P
[02:26] <ajmitch> the packages were a mess, to put it gently ;)
[02:27] <\sh> many packages are messy ;)
[02:28] <\sh> we have to take a look to those python packages with 2.1/2.2 binary packages..that's why they come back to unmet deps
[02:28] <ajmitch> I know
[02:28] <ajmitch> these were imported from apt-get.org
[02:32] <\sh> grmpf
[02:42] <\sh> ok guys I need this file GLwMDrawA.h
[02:42] <\sh> but it's not in any libgl* package anymore
[02:43] <ajmitch> what are you trying to build?
[02:43] <\sh> grass
[02:43] <ogra> grass is broken ?
[02:43] <ogra> damned
[02:43] <ogra> !!!
[02:43] <\sh> yes
[02:43] <\sh> the includes are missing
[02:44] <ogra> \sh, i promised uli it would be there...grmpf...
[02:44] <\sh> and they were in xlibmesa-gl-dev
[02:44] <ogra> \sh, he wants to use it at the office
[02:44] <ogra> \sh, best to ask daniels i guess
[02:44] <\sh> think so
[02:45] <\sh> which TZ?
[02:45] <ogra> \sh, melbourne
[02:46] <Lathiat> hmm, indeeed it should be in libgl1-mesa-dev as it was in xlibmesa-gl-dev
[02:46] <\sh> I'm writing an email
[02:50] <\sh> mail send to daniels
[02:54] <\sh> ogra: I make sure it will be there in time ;)
[02:54] <ogra> \sh, i'll tell uli, so he can pay you in coffee ;)
[02:55] <\sh> ogra: hehe :) coffee is free anyways ;)
[02:56] <ogra> ok, beer then
[02:56] <\sh> no beer during work ;)
[02:57] <Lathiat> heh
[03:04] <mbreit> okay guys, i have a problem which i can't solve... so i need your help....
[03:04] <ajmitch> yes?
[03:05] <mbreit> i fixed the ardour package... it builds fine on my pbuilder
[03:05] <mbreit> but it does not on the buildds...
[03:05] <\sh> log?
[03:05] <mbreit> the problem is "Checking for C header file alsa/asoundlib.h... no"
[03:05] <mbreit> http://hwdb.ubuntu.com/buildlogs/?show=http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/a/ardour/0.9beta29-5ubuntu1/ardour_0.9beta29-5ubuntu1_20050915-1312-i386-failed.gz
[03:06] <mbreit> that header is in libasound2-dev, which the buildd installed correctly before building
[03:06] <mbreit> in my pbuilder, it says "Checking for C header file alsa/asoundlib.h... yes", same libasound2-dev version
[03:08] <\sh> broken scons ?
[03:08] <mbreit> i have no idea..
[03:08] <\sh> scons is evil
[03:08] <mbreit> the line in SConstruct says "if conf.CheckCHeader('alsa/asoundlib.h'):
[03:08] <mbreit> "
[03:09] <mbreit> that sounds right to me (and works well here)
[03:10] <\sh> grmpf..i need to go shopping
[03:11] <mbreit> any idea for my problem?
[03:11] <\sh> checking
[03:14] <\sh> hmm...
[03:14] <\sh> ask lamont/infinity what could be wrong with the buildd
[03:14] <mbreit> hmm... okay... thanks anyway \sh!
[03:15] <\sh> I don't see anything wrong
[03:16] <mbreit> let's see what infinity will have to say
[03:22] <\sh> going shopping
[03:22] <\sh> bbl
[03:22] <mbreit> \sh_away: have fun ;)
[03:38] <thesaltydog> dholbach, Hi !
[03:40] <dholbach> hi fabio
[03:40] <thesaltydog> things are going weel? What about your thesis?
[03:40] <thesaltydog> s/weel/well/
[03:42] <Treenaks> argh, people bringing up autopackage again
[03:42] <Treenaks> @ wiki
[03:43] <ajmitch> yay
[03:43] <Treenaks> ajmitch: the /BOFs page
[03:43] <Treenaks> even
[03:43] <dholbach> thesaltydog: i finished it, thanks :)
[03:43] <ajmitch> Treenaks: oh no
[03:44] <thesaltydog> dholbach, ok. Well done!
[03:44] <Treenaks> ajmitch: exactly
[03:44] <ajmitch> I know that will get rejected long before UBZ starts
[03:44] <dholbach> thesaltydog: thank you :)
[03:44] <thesaltydog> dholbach, did you get my mail?
[03:45] <dholbach> thesaltydog: about baobab?
[03:45] <thesaltydog> yes
[03:45] <dholbach> thesaltydog: sorry, if i didn't answer, if i daresay, i was way to busy the last days
[03:45] <thesaltydog> dholbach, I imagine. I am following all the busy things you and the others are doing..
[03:46] <dholbach> thanks for understanding
[03:46] <thesaltydog> dholbach, maybe for the future can I be of any help?
[03:47] <ogra> thesaltydog, become a MOTU ;)
[03:47] <dholbach> thesaltydog: sure... this channel is exactly where you need to ask :-)
[03:47] <thesaltydog> ciao Oliver..
[03:47] <ogra> :)
[03:47] <thesaltydog> ogra, will you then send me a medal?
[03:47] <ajmitch> thesaltydog: if you're free this weekend, we have a bug day on saturday
[03:48] <ogra> thesaltydog, sure ;)
[03:48] <thesaltydog> ajmitch, I will be there. Time?
[03:48] <ajmitch> all day
[03:48] <ajmitch> 48 hours ;)
[03:48] <thesaltydog> ogra, ahh. oh, I'm feeling better...:-)
[03:48] <thesaltydog> ajmitch, I'll be there
[03:49] <ajmitch> great, thanks
[03:49] <dholbach> :)
[03:49] <bddebian> Heya gang
[03:49] <dholbach> hey BARRY
[03:49] <ajmitch> hello bddebian
[03:49] <mbreit> hey bddebian
[03:50] <mbreit> oh, and hi daniel ;)
[03:50] <dholbach> hey moritz
[03:50] <thesaltydog> ciao everybody. see you all on sat'day.
[03:50] <mbreit> dholbach: did you read about my ardour-problem?
[03:50] <dholbach> ardour?
[03:51] <mbreit> dholbach: scroll up a bit ;)
[03:51] <bddebian> Hello Daniel, Andrew, Moritz
[03:51] <dholbach> hrm
[03:53] <dholbach> mbreit: sorry, no idea, try in #ubuntu-devel
[03:53] <mbreit> dholbach: i will do that, i wait for infinity to talk to him... sounds like a buildd issue for me
[03:54] <mbreit> i just hoped that you have any idea ;)
[03:54] <dholbach> sorry :-/
[03:54] <mbreit> np... thanks for looking at it ;)
[03:55] <bddebian> OK gang, I need a general strategy direction here.  For neutrino, there are a ton of gcc errors in the current version.  The new version works fine but needs a newer libnjb which has several rdepends.  Do I try to force build with gcc-3.4 or the cflags for less strict checks, what???
[03:56] <dholbach> any patches in bugs.debian.org?
[03:56] <dholbach> any patches upstream?
[03:56] <slomo_> nope, i also looked at that package ;)
[03:57] <slomo_> seems like we should sync libnjb, recompile all rdepends and sync neutrino
[03:57] <lifeless> a/win 18
[04:00] <\sh> cu ajmitch
[04:00] <\sh> back from shopping *phew*
[04:13] <shawarma> Could I pursuade a couple of MOTUs to take a peek at http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=574  ?  There is a chance (although slim) that it might make it into main in time for Breezy, but it kind of needs to be in universe before that..
[04:13] <\sh> shawarma: in main? u joking :)
[04:13] <shawarma> \sh: Nope.
[04:14] <HiddenWolf> shawarma, main is locked down tight, and has been for weeks.
[04:14] <shawarma> \sh: seb128 told me it MIGHT.
[04:14] <\sh> into universe yes...but main?
[04:15] <shawarma> \sh: Yes. Because gstreamer will depend on it.
[04:15] <HiddenWolf> shawarma, not even new upstream versions, let alone new packages...
[04:15] <HiddenWolf> siretart, you around?
[04:15] <shawarma> HiddenWolf: Don't shoot the messenger. :-)
[04:16] <HiddenWolf> shawarma, just restating some quite factual information.
[04:16] <shawarma> HiddenWolf: Hey, I was just as surprised as you.
[04:16] <HiddenWolf> We're in both upstreamversion- and feature/stringfreeze at the moment...
[04:16] <\sh> getting the infos directly from source ,-)
[04:17] <shawarma> I asked seb128 quite directly if it was out of the question and he wasn't sure. No offense, but I'll trust him more than any of you when it comes to this.
[04:17] <shawarma> He is - after all - the gstreamer maintainer.
[04:17] <\sh> shawarma: but he's not mdz
[04:17] <\sh> and mdz decides
[04:17] <shawarma> Ok..
[04:17] <HiddenWolf> shawarma, he maintains a lot more than that. The ones who decide are mdz and sabdfl tho.
[04:18] <shawarma> Yesyes.
[04:18] <shawarma> anyhow, never mind that. The only thing that is 100% certain is that it won't go into main if it isn't in universe..
[04:18] <\sh> but if he needs it he could push it directly into universe without us
[04:19] <shawarma> \sh: Hmm... I suppose.
[04:21] <\sh> shawarma: I will discuss this issue with him :)
[04:21] <shawarma> \sh: Cool.
[04:25] <lamont__> dpkg --contents hebcal_3.4-2build1_i386.deb | grep dir.gz
[04:25] <lamont__> -rw-r--r-- root/root      1432 2005-07-08 19:49:29 ./usr/share/info/dir.gz
[04:25] <lamont__> *thwap*
[04:25] <slomo_> shawarma: thanks for packaging libmms :) i had this on my todo list for dapper
[04:26] <\sh> lamont__: what's dir.gz? ,-)
[04:27] <lamont__> a file that should not be delivered (iz RC bug)
[04:27] <lamont__> autocrap droppings
[04:27] <slomo_> shawarma: i'll take a look at it
[04:27] <shawarma> slomo_: No problem. I helped develop the damn thing, so it's only fair that I package it, too. :-)
[04:28] <\sh> lamont__: but u tried to move it away ;)
[04:28] <slomo_> shawarma: please remove README.Debian or put content in it... and in changelog remove the ITP stuff, we have no ITP ;)
[04:29] <slomo_> shawarma: raise standards-version to 3.6.2
[04:29] <bddebian> slomo_, dholbach: Sorry, I had to step out for a minute but I don't see a decision ;-)
[04:29] <bddebian> Heya \sh
[04:29] <\sh> bddebian: 15:57 < slomo_> seems like we should sync libnjb, recompile all rdepends and sync neutrino
[04:29] <bddebian> \sh: seems like <> Let's do ;-)
[04:30] <slomo_> shawarma: use the original tarball... this one has at least a different md5sum
[04:30] <\sh> bddebian: libnjb4 ?
[04:31] <slomo_> \sh: yes... and it's libnjb5 now ;) that's part of the problem
[04:31] <bddebian> Where is libnjb5 coming from?
[04:31] <slomo_> shawarma: include the full 3 paragraphs of the LGPL like in the source files in debian/copyright
[04:32] <slomo_> bddebian: renamed binary package... so it is probably incompatible to the old one
[04:32] <bddebian> Oh, nm
[04:32] <slomo_> bddebian: please test if it works ;)
[04:32] <bddebian> slomo_: Have you happened to look at the rdepends for libnjb?  Are any of them in main?
[04:32] <\sh> only 3
[04:33] <slomo_> bddebian: none is... because libnjb is in universe and main stuff must not depend on universe
[04:33] <\sh> and if libnjb4 is in universe, nothing in main can depend on universe stuff
[04:33] <bddebian> Well that doesn't seem to be the case for lirc :-)
[04:33] <\sh> bddebian: where do u see lirc ?
[04:33] <slomo_> shawarma: please add something like upstream author to the copyright file... best with contact address ;)
[04:33] <\sh> shermann@shermann-laptop:~/packages/breezy/hebcal/hebcal-3.4/debian$ apt-cache rdepends libnjb4
[04:33] <\sh> libnjb4
[04:33] <\sh> Reverse Depends: libnjb-dev kzenexplorer gnomad2
[04:33] <bddebian> Aye
[04:34] <\sh> so only two packages
[04:34] <shawarma> slomo_: Argh, I reran dh_make at one point.. that must have overwritten some stuff it shouldn't have..
[04:34] <shawarma> slomo_: I'll fix those things right away. gimme 5 minutes.
[04:34] <\sh> bddebian: or is your package using libnjb1?
[04:34] <bddebian> \sh: My package? ;-)
[04:35] <\sh> bddebian: neutrino ;)
[04:35] <slomo_> shawarma: ok... notify me then :) i'll wait for you ;)
[04:35] <slomo_> \sh: nope... it needs the newest one ;)
[04:35] <bddebian> \sh: libnjb-dev (>> 2.2)
[04:35] <\sh> so 4 .. well...
[04:35] <\sh> bddebian: check libnjb5 with neutrino ;)
[04:35] <\sh> and the rest ,-)
[04:35] <slomo_> \sh: and the fixed version in debian needs 5 ;)
[04:35] <bddebian> Oh aye
[04:36] <\sh> slomo_: ok...we have 1+4 why not 5 as add package
[04:36] <\sh> and if kzenexplorer and gnomad2 are running with 5 as well, drop 4
[04:36] <bddebian> \sh: I was thinking that too.  But all of them have libnjb-dev right?  Would we have to have libnjb5-dev?
[04:36] <slomo_> \sh: 4 will be dropped automatically ;) that's the problem...
[04:37] <\sh> slomo_: conflicts/replaces?
[04:37] <slomo_> \sh: the source package that generated 4 generates now 5
[04:37] <\sh> argl
[04:37] <slomo_> \sh: well, it will stay but without source package for it...
[04:37] <bddebian> I'll test them
[04:37] <\sh> what crap is it ...
[04:38] <slomo_> bddebian: most probably all will work with 5... it's just a jump from 2.1 to 2.2 iirc
[04:39] <bddebian> Yes
[04:41] <slomo_> \sh: i think libmss in main would be fine for breezy... but when it doesn't get in main i'll add the plugin to gst-plugins-multiverse so nothing is lost ;)
[04:43] <\sh> slomo_: this is out of question...the thing is...if sebastian _needs_ it for breezy he could push it without questioning us
[04:43] <slomo_> he doesn't _need_ it... it would just be nice to have it ;)
[04:43] <slomo_> and it doesn't create problems
[04:44] <\sh> ok...so lets push it into universe and into multiverse plugins :)
[04:45] <slomo_> and if someone really wants... we can ask elmo to put the binary package in universe ;)
[04:46] <sh_warma> \slomo The new version has been uploaded..
[04:46] <slomo_> sh_warma: thanks... i'll take a look
[04:46] <\sh> lamont__: dir.gz is `info` stuff hmmm....
[04:47] <lamont__> \sh: and built on the final install, not delivered with 40+ packages......
[04:47] <lamont__> since files can only be delivered by one package (unless it conficts and/or replaces the other)
[04:48] <\sh> lamont__: yes...because the package does something wrong
[04:48] <\sh> lamont__: dh_installinfo is not called e.g.
[04:48] <lamont__> \sh: could be... likewise, it could just be autocrap movement under it...
[04:49] <\sh> lamont__: I'm investigating in my chroot ,)
[04:49] <lamont__> danke
[04:50] <\sh> install-info(/home/shermann/packages/breezy/hebcal/hebcal-3.4/debian/hebcal/usr/share/info/hebcal.info): no  file /home/shermann/packages/breezy/hebcal/hebcal-3.4/debian/hebcal/usr/share/info/dir, retrieving backup file /var/backups/infodir.bak.
[04:50] <\sh> in the Makefile stuff...grmpf..
[04:50] <shawarma> slomo_: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=575
[04:51] <slomo_> shawarma: already have it on my hdd ;)
[04:51] <shawarma> slomo_: Huh?
[04:51] <shawarma> slomo_: How? It only just showed up?
[04:52] <slomo_> shawarma: got it from incoming ;) ok, another problem... is this already in debian/unstable?
[04:52] <shawarma> slomo_: Don't think so.
[04:52] <shawarma> slomo_: I actually didn't check.
[04:52] <slomo_> shawarma: then use -0ubuntu1 as version and breezy as distribution (not unstable)
[04:53] <\sh> lamont__: I could disable the doc/ creation stuff in Makefile.am and prevent it from building...and installing the info file from rules file...
[04:53] <lamont__> or just remove dir.gz after the install step finishes...
[04:53] <\sh> lamont__: I tried it already...didn't help
[04:53] <\sh> dir.gz dir.old.gz
[04:54] <slomo_> shawarma: isn't in debian yet... so when you want to keep maintainership fill an debian ITP later and search someone to sponsor it... otherwise it can happen that someone else packages it for debian and we just sync his version
[04:54] <\sh> una momenta
[04:54] <lamont__> \sh: both files. :-)
[04:54] <shawarma> slomo_: Hmm... Should I just change the version or should I add an 1: epoch?
[04:54] <\sh> lamont__: I deleted dir.gz, but it appeared in the package
[04:55] <shawarma> slomo_: As long as it's just in REVU it shouldn't matter, should it?
[04:55] <lamont__> \sh: suckage.
[04:55] <slomo_> shawarma: no epoch
[04:55] <slomo_> shawarma: epochs are evil ;)
[04:55] <\sh> lamont__: yes..
[04:55] <shawarma> slomo_: Right. but if it had already been in the archive I would have had to add and epoch, wouldn't I?
[04:55] <slomo_> shawarma: just change the version to -0ubuntu1... revu can handle uploads of the same version over and over again, even older versions... it just takes the upload time
[04:56] <\sh> grmpf moment
[04:56] <slomo_> shawarma: yes... probably
[04:56] <mbreit> lamont__: perhaps you can help me with my ardour problem?
[04:57] <shawarma> slomo_: There. Uploaded. I have to run. Catch you later!
[04:57] <slomo_> shawarma: ok, i'll post comments on the revu page :)
[04:58] <lamont__> mbreit: perhaps... what's the issue?
[05:00] <\sh> lamont__: it's gone ;) after install it's called dir/dir.old not dir.gz/dir.old.gz ;)
[05:00] <\sh> lamont__: uploading
[05:00] <lamont__> \sh: heh
[05:00] <lamont__> thanks
[05:00] <mbreit> lamont__: FTBFS on all buildds, but builds fine in pbuilder... the error is that scons can't find alsa/asoundlib.h although the right libasound2-dev is installed
[05:01] <lamont__> mbreit: at the time of the build, 'SYSMIDI' did not exist in the environment
[05:01] <\sh> lamont__: np
[05:01] <lamont__> ah, ok
[05:01] <mbreit> lamont__: that's because it did not find alsa/asoundlib.h
[05:01] <lamont__> mbreit: and what does config.log say there.
[05:01] <lamont__> mbreit: and since it works for you in pbuilder, you can't answer that... got it.
[05:02] <mbreit> lamont__: right ;)
[05:02] <mbreit> lamont__: the file /usr/include/alsa/asoundlib.h is in package libasound2-dev and it seems that buildd installed the same version as my pbuilder
[05:02] <lamont__> mbreit: kinda burried for the next few hours, but I can put it on my list for tonight and see what I can find.
[05:03] <mbreit> lamont__: that would be nice! thanks!
[05:03] <lamont__> alternatively, you could poke infinity and see how his schedule looks for the next several hours...
[05:03] <mbreit> lamont__: i tried to ping him, but he did not answer
[05:04] <lamont__> np
[05:04] <lamont__> mbreit: --> busy, I expect
[05:04] <lamont__> or asleep
[05:04] <lamont__> given that it's 0-dark-04 there.
[05:05] <mbreit> yes, i expected something like that ;)
[05:06] <\sh> lamont__: on amd64 buildd The following packages have unmet dependencies: glade-2: Depends: glade-common-2 (= 2.12.0-0ubuntu1) but it is not going to be installed
[05:07] <\sh> lamont__: from yesterday...I don't know if this is resolved but if so..please give-back gtk-gnutella on amd64/ia64/ppc
[05:07] <\sh> lamont__: thx :)
[05:08] <\sh>  /addtodo couple of beers for lamont+infinity for their great work
[05:08] <lamont__> \sh: if it fails again, I can look at _why_ they're unresolved later (like several hours)
[05:08] <lamont__> that is, given-back, need to go heads down and ignore irc for a few hours.
[05:09] <\sh> lamont__: np :) I know that it has to build on amd64 et all...:)
[05:09] <\sh> lamont__: thx :)
[05:10] <\sh> now I have to bribe daniels to build GLw stuff again for grass ... so I can hold on to my word towards ogra and ogra can hold on his word towards uli
[05:10] <bddebian> Heh
[05:10] <jsgotangco> hi \sh you seem to be the gajim guru, does it only do jabber?
[05:11] <\sh> bddebian: this is mafia style ;-)
[05:11] <\sh> jsgotangco: yes..which is good :)
[05:11] <jsgotangco> \sh: ah thought i can do y!m as well...its really nice...
[05:11] <\sh> jsgotangco: but jabber can do icq,msn,aim,yahoo,irc,muc,jud,rss etc.pp. depends which services are provided by the jabber server
[05:11] <slomo_> \sh: libmms is almost perfect ;)
[05:12] <jsgotangco> ohhh so its server dependent
[05:12] <\sh> jsgotangco: yes...
[05:12] <\sh> jsgotangco: http://www.jabber.org/network/ <- a list of jabber servers worldwide with all the services
[05:13] <\sh> jsgotangco: actually I don't have yahoo messenger...because it's a bit tricky to install the software...not that I don't want it, but I didn't have the time to build it for hoary/breezy...but it will come
[05:13] <jsgotangco> hrmmm
[05:13] <jsgotangco> ok will check thanks
[05:13] <\sh> jsgotangco: my jabber server I'm talking about ;)
[05:13] <jsgotangco> ahhh
[05:14] <jsgotangco> i have a demo at linuxworld tommorow, might pimp it
[05:14] <jsgotangco> i actually like it
[05:14] <bddebian> \sh: Mafia style? :-)
[05:14] <slomo_> \sh: did you already update the icq transport?
[05:14] <\sh> jsgotangco: would be nice :) please right a blog entry with some pictures :)
[05:14] <\sh> slomo_: argl ;)
[05:14] <\sh> bddebian: cosanostra ;) italian family ;) the godfather style ,-)
[05:15] <slomo_> \sh: hehe i know... no time ;) i don't get to anything currently too =)
[05:15] <bddebian> \sh: I know whay you mean, I just didn't get the context :-)
[05:15] <\sh> bddebian: bribing ;)
[05:15] <jsgotangco> \sh: of course thanks
[05:15] <bddebian> Ahhh ;-)
[05:15] <\sh> aeh
[05:15] <\sh> s/right/write/ ,-)
[05:16] <\sh> my thoughts are faster then my fingers ,-)
[05:19] <\sh> slomo_: http://modevia.com/pipermail/py-transports/2005-March/000323.html <- i think i have no luck
[05:20] <slomo_> \sh: why? it's from Thu Mar 17 14:43:51 GMT 2005
[05:20] <bddebian> Hmm, kzenexplorer doesn't show up in Debian
[05:22] <\sh> slomo_: yes...but no new version available...I'll have to test svn
[05:23] <slomo_> \sh: hm ok... when will you test it? i can be your versuchskaninchen for testing it ;)
[05:24] <\sh> slomo_: I have to setup a new transport for this...and enable it in ejabberd...
[05:24] <\sh> slomo_: i don't want to screw the running transport
[05:25] <\sh> brb
[05:25] <slomo_> ok
[05:25] <slomo_> bddebian: ?
[05:26] <slomo_> bddebian: err... have you tested it already? ;)
[05:26] <bddebian> slomo_: libnjb and neutrino are fine
[05:26] <bddebian> Getting ready to test the rdepends
[05:26] <slomo_> bddebian: ok fine :) sounds good
[05:30] <tseng> Lathiat: pong
[05:51] <\sh> lamont__: gtk-gnutella...amd64/ia64 OK, but PPC failed with a strange error message...(http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/g/gtk-gnutella/0.95.4-1/gtk-gnutella_0.95.4-1_20050915-1635-powerpc-given-back.gz)
[05:52] <\sh> and now...building grass without glw
[05:52] <\sh> and trying out an upstream bugfix
[05:52] <Gervystar> is there still something blocking the upload of the fixed network-manager package (the one in revu)?
[05:55] <bddebian> w00t kznetexplorer builds
[05:58] <sistpoty> hi folks
[05:58] <slomo_> hi sistpoty
[05:59] <sistpoty> yipieeh! i ha my last computer science exam today :)
[05:59] <Amaranth> gtg
[05:59] <sistpoty> 1.7 :)))
[05:59] <\sh> sistpoty: congrats :)
[05:59] <sistpoty> thx
[06:00] <\sh> sistpoty: now for the real work ;)
[06:00] <slomo_> sistpoty: congrats :)
[06:00] <slomo_> sistpoty: so now you can do the haskell stuff while i'm learning for my exams ;)
[06:00] <dholbach> WOW, ROCK! :)
[06:00] <sistpoty> thx
[06:01] <sistpoty> well i still got "nebenfach" todo
[06:02] <sistpoty> slomo_: hm... is ghc6 there for all arches? i can't see a successful buildlog for ia64...
[06:03] <slomo_> sistpoty: no idea... for x86, amd64 and ppc it is there... and i fixed some haskell stuff already, some other needs more work and time i don't have currently ;)
[06:04] <\sh> sistpoty: forget about ia64 right now ;)
[06:04] <sistpoty> ok, then I'll update the transition page ;)
[06:05] <\sh> fixing grass now...
[06:05] <bddebian> Heya sistpoty
[06:05] <\sh> grass-6.0.1 build cleanly on i386..now for amd64
[06:05] <bddebian> \sh: Awesome
[06:05] <bddebian> Cool, I can sync gnomad2 also.
[06:06] <sistpoty> hi bddebian
[06:07] <\sh> bddebian: all libnjb4 works with libnjb5? ,-)
[06:07] <\sh> bddebian: u rock
[06:08] <bddebian> \sh: Yep
[06:08] <bddebian> No, I suck :'-(
[06:08] <slomo_> bddebian: don't think that bad about you... your work is great :)
[06:09] <\sh> dholbach: ping how do u do the syncs e.g. alleypoop...or is elmo doing this?
[06:10] <dholbach> \sh: i wrote mails to elmo
[06:10] <bddebian> \sh: You have to request from elmo if its a straight sync
[06:11] <bddebian> I got in trouble for asking for syncs for others ;-)
[06:11] <\sh> bddebian: I know :)
[06:11] <\sh> dholbach: ah ok..what about those apt-get.org stuff?
[06:11] <dholbach> \sh: i will collect them on the page
[06:11] <dholbach> didn't come round to it yet
[06:16] <bddebian> slomo_: You are on crack. ;-)
[06:17] <slomo_> bddebian: normally not ;)
[06:17] <slomo_> bddebian: i'm tired... but that's it :P
[06:17] <bddebian> slomo_: I meant your comment about my work. ;-)
[06:38] <bddebian> dholbach: Is that tinrul in the topic still a valid concern?
[06:38] <bddebian> s/tinrul/tinyurl/
[06:39] <slomo_> bddebian: please wait for the libnjb rebuilds until the stuff is in the archives...
[06:39] <dholbach> bddebian: that was CXX stuff - i put it there yesterday
[06:39] <slomo_> i.e... upload them in one hour when there are no build failures ;)
[06:39] <bddebian> slomo_: Aye
[06:40] <bddebian> slomo_: They just came over :-)
[06:40] <Nafallo> \sh: ubuno1 will get synced, no?
[06:40] <\sh> ubuno1?
[06:40] <Nafallo> just like build1 ;-)
[06:40] <Nafallo> yea, you made a typo dude :-)
[06:40] <\sh> argl
[06:40] <\sh> where?
[06:40] <bddebian> dholbach: Is it still something that should be on our radar?
[06:40] <Nafallo> \sh: grass
[06:40] <\sh> FUCK
[06:40] <\sh> sorry
[06:41] <dholbach> just to have a look and close the bugs, if they are to be closed
[06:41] <Nafallo> no problem, I'm just glad I spotted it now :-)
[06:41] <bddebian> OK
[06:42] <bddebian> Anyone bored and want a simple task? :-)
[06:42] <\sh> no I'm stressed ;-)
[06:42] <slomo_> bddebian: the rebuilds? and no, i'm busy M;)
[06:42] <bddebian> slomo_: No I need someone to check up on all my uploads and see if the unmetdeps are fixed :-)
[06:42] <bddebian> I was thinking more a LaserJock or someone :-)
[06:43] <slomo_> bddebian: just look if they disappeared from the "unmet deps" command after they hit the archives ;)
[06:43] <bddebian> slomo_: I know. I'm being lazy as I want to "fix" the harder stuff :-)
[06:44] <slomo_> hm ;)
[06:44] <slomo_> just regenerate the list in 2 hours or something and look at it :P
[06:44] <bddebian> Not that I can.. :-)
[06:45] <bddebian> Heya ogra
[06:45] <bddebian> What's the status of psi folks?
[06:49] <\sh> psi is done
[06:49] <\sh> yesterday
[06:49] <\sh> merged from debian
[06:50] <\sh> no sync because I had to adjust the .desktop file
[06:53] <\sh> ogra: grass-6.0.1 is in the archives (it's building right now)
[06:53] <bddebian> \sh: OK, NP, just trying to keep the wiki page updated :-)
[06:53] <\sh> ogra: but it's *censored* 6.0.1-0ubunu1 ,-)
[06:53] <doko> slomo_: ping do you care about the drpython package?
[06:54] <\sh> bddebian: if you're editing it right now: move php-imdb from my position to my "finished" position ;)
[06:54] <slomo_> doko: no... why do you ask? is it broken again? ;)
[06:54] <bddebian> \sh: OK
[06:54] <doko> because you did the last upload
[06:54] <\sh> bddebian: thx :)
[06:55] <slomo_> doko: but what is wrong with the package? i'm busy currently but i could fix it later
[06:56] <doko> slomo_: starting a python interpreter freezes the application
[06:57] <bddebian> \sh: Man, I just can't keep up with you.. ;-)
[06:57] <slomo_> doko: uh... nice :/ i'll take a look later... that is when you don't want to look at it now ;)
[06:58] <doko> slomo_: and please locate the doc links in help to the locally installed packages (and maybe package the regexp tutorial)
[06:59] <slomo_> doko: ok, later
[06:59] <\sh> bddebian: u do actually...but I won't tell u ;)
[07:00] <bddebian> \sh: I just hit all the "easy" ones ;-)
[07:01] <chillywilly> hey, any DRI/3D stuff that I run on this breezy box freeze up my system hard
[07:02] <chillywilly> so when I go away from my desk for a while the damn xscreensavees hose my system
[07:02] <chillywilly> even glxgears locks things up hard...at first it runs real slow then if I move my mouse it locks hard
[07:03] <slomo_> doko: is there a bugreport in bugzilla/malone?
[07:04] <doko> slomo_: it's http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=311936, but it looks like it's not fixed
[07:05] <slomo_> doko: the version in unstable has the python interpreter bug fixed
[07:05] <slomo_> doko: at least the changelog says so... i'll test it
[07:06] <slomo_> doko: where can i start the python interpreter?
[07:06] <sistpoty> cya
[07:06] <bddebian> Later sistpoty
[07:06] <slomo_> doko: ah... nevermind... found it :)
[07:06] <ogra> dholbach, hey, thanks for spottong the gcompris bug :)
[07:06] <dholbach> ogra: de rien :)
[07:06] <doko> slomo_: then please sync it, but add the local links before (and sensible-browser, if possible).
[07:07] <ogra> dholbach, its in fact ltsp-client, not gcompris .... games are missing in the path :)
[07:07] <dholbach> oh, i see
[07:07] <slomo_> doko: ok
[07:10] <slomo_> doko: the local stuff is already there... and sensible browser also
[07:11] <slomo_> doko: or it uses the BROWSER env variable
[07:12] <doko> slomo_: yes, but if that's not set, it would be nice to use sensible-browser
[07:20] <rbelem> hello folks
[07:21] <slomo_> doko: i can fix all of those ;) you'll get an upload later :)
[07:21] <doko> slomo_: cool
[07:23] <slomo_> doko: what documentations do you want local? python and wx?
[07:25] <doko> slomo_: yes, maybe a recommends of the doc packages would be appropriate.
[07:25] <doko> and the regexp docs could be added to the package
[07:26] <slomo_> doko: ok, recommends on python and wx docs... and i'll check what i can do with the regexp stuff
[07:26] <\sh> ogra: grass is ready for testing on i386 and amd64 ;)
[07:27] <\sh> ogra: I told you that it will hit the archive in time
[07:27] <ogra> \sh, yay, thanks...
[07:27] <ogra> \sh, 15244 :(
[07:27] <ogra> its not the tcp timeout
[07:28] <\sh> ogra: eek...what is it?
[07:28] <bddebian> Heya tritium
[07:28] <ogra> \sh, i have not the slightest idea
[07:28] <tritium> Hi bddebian.  What's up?
[07:28] <ogra> \sh, somehow DISPLAY is still set from the fromer session or something..
[07:29] <bddebian> tritium: Just slaving away ;-)  You?
[07:29] <\sh> ogra: hmmm....
[07:29] <tritium> bddebian, same thing here
[07:29] <slomo_> what's the simplest way to check whether a file exists in python?
[07:29] <\sh> ogra: but then there must be something glitching with the X11 forward stuff
[07:29] <ogra> \sh, i added a lot inof to the bug...
[07:29] <ogra> info even
[07:30] <slomo_> os.access?
[07:30] <ogra> yup, looks like
[07:30] <ogra> slomo_, just run python from the commandline type help() and see if os.access is there ?
[07:31] <slomo_> ogra: it is there... i just wanted to know if this is the easiest/preferred way to do it ;)
[07:31] <ogra> ah
[07:33] <\sh> ogra: but the display envvar should be written over
[07:33] <ogra> hmm, yes, indeed
[07:33] <\sh> or something is really b0rked in sshd
[07:34] <\sh> or if you have something like this scenario:
[07:34] <ogra> either that or the X server on the client
[07:34] <\sh> client 192.168.0.2 is connecting to the server,it sets DISPLAY=192.168.0.2:0.0
[07:34] <ogra> err, nope
[07:34] <ogra> 192.168.0.2 is the server
[07:35] <\sh> ok...doesn't matter now ;)
[07:35] <ogra> DISPLAY should be localhost:10.0
[07:35] <\sh> or this yes
[07:35] <\sh> it's ssh ;) forgot ;)
[07:35] <ogra> sshd handles it like that
[07:35] <\sh> but internally it's mapped to a tcp session
[07:35] <ivoks> hi
[07:35] <\sh> s/session/connection/
[07:36] <\sh> but what if the first connection is not closed properly...
[07:36] <ogra> hmm, yes
[07:36] <ogra> that might be it
[07:38] <\sh> ogra: but then we're back to a tcp/connection issue
[07:38] <\sh> ogra: somewhere in sshd it seems
[07:40] <bddebian> Heya siretart
[07:41] <slomo_> hi siretart :)
[07:43] <slomo_> doko: ok, done... i'll test it and then upload ;) when you want the regexp docs please package them and i'll add them to drpython
[07:44] <doko> slomo_: could you add the regexp stuff to the drpython package?
[07:45] <slomo_> doko: sure... but that feels wrong for me ;) it doesn't really belong in that package imho...
[07:48] <bddebian> Oh and Hi ivoks :-)
[07:50] <ivoks> eh, hi
[07:50] <ivoks> :)
[07:50] <\sh> woot?
[07:50] <dholbach> WOW :)
[07:51] <\sh> writing a blog, or developing a blog? ,-)
[07:51] <doko> slomo_: mind adding a new package?
[07:51] <ivoks> \sh: be reasonable :)
[07:52] <\sh> ivoks: *eg*
[07:52] <slomo_> doko: when you package it and find another motu to vote for it, no problem ;)
[07:52] <bddebian> Doh
[07:52] <\sh> bddebian: http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/n/neutrino/0.8.4-4/neutrino_0.8.4-4_20050915-1831-powerpc-failed.gz ;)
[07:52] <doko> slomo_: no, I did ask if _you_ want to package it
[07:52] <bddebian> \sh: ppc, wtf is that? ;-)
[07:53] <ivoks> hm...
[07:53] <slomo_> doko: no... i'm too busy with other stuff currently... hm, bddebian? maybe you want to create your first package? :)
[07:53] <ivoks> linux-source-2.6.12 package should depend on gcc-3.4
[07:55] <bddebian> doko: It's already packaged?
[07:55] <slomo_> bddebian: ope
[07:55] <slomo_> nope
[07:55] <slomo_> bddebian: http://www.amk.ca/python/howto/regex/
[07:57] <\sh> doko: what is it?
[07:57] <doko> bddebian: no, you could start with it, it's documentation on python-regexp's. maybe a bit tricky to build.
[07:58] <bddebian> Oh great
[07:58] <doko> bddebian: you have to use latex2html for building the docs, and include the pregenerated docs into the package (because latex2html is in universe)
[07:59] <bddebian> ivoks: w00t
[07:59] <Lathiat> ivoks: for bonus points did you preseed it?
[07:59] <ivoks> preseed? :) if that's creating local mirror - no :)
[08:00] <ivoks> but i was very angry cause kickstart didn't work out well
[08:00] <Lathiat> no
[08:00] <Lathiat> presetting the
[08:00] <Lathiat> right
[08:00] <Lathiat> its like kickstart
[08:00] <Lathiat> but direct that d-i uses
[08:00] <Lathiat> rather than a layer over d-i
[08:00] <slomo_> doko: what's the problem with latex2html in universe? do you want to regexp doc in main? ;)
[08:00] <ivoks> i tried kickstart - installation freezed on partitionig
[08:00] <ivoks> Lathiat: i'm open for other suggestions :)
[08:01] <ivoks> Lathiat: i have 50 more computers to install :)
[08:01] <ivoks> Lathiat: problem is that breezy's kernel doesn't support their ethernet :/
[08:01] <Lathiat> ivoks: ah suck
[08:01] <Lathiat> ivoks: what ethernet?
[08:02] <doko> slomo_: sorry, latex2html is in multiverse
[08:02] <ivoks> sk98lin
[08:02] <ivoks> Lathiat: marvell yukon
[08:02] <Lathiat> ivoks: oh the new one
[08:02] <Lathiat> yeh i think that was being worked on
[08:02] <ivoks> Lathiat: not really... it works with 2.4.27 kernel :/
[08:02] <Lathiat> not sure on the status
[08:02] <Lathiat> ivoks: *really*? perhaps a different problerm then
[08:03] <Lathiat> that driver has some new cards out, notably in laptops, that is not supported by the kernel driver
[08:03] <ivoks> Lathiat: there is no modul in kernel
[08:03] <ivoks> installation kernel
[08:03] <ivoks> i tried to create my own, but damn thing didn't want to compile then :)
[08:04] <Lathiat> ask uh..
[08:04] <ivoks> (sk98lin)
[08:04] <Lathiat> i think it was \sh
[08:04] <Lathiat> had a moduled compiled but had to -f it
[08:04] <ivoks> i talked with \sh allready
[08:05] <ivoks> Lathiat: there are options, don't worry...
[08:05] <doko> slomo_: another thing: could you add a gnome desktop icon for drpython?
[08:05] <ivoks> Lathiat: i can allways run install with 2.4 kernel :)
[08:05] <\sh> ivoks: only via kernel patch compilable...as module directly no chance.
[08:05] <dholbach> are all those entries on REVU really recent?
[08:06] <ivoks> \sh: i'll figure out something tomorrow
[08:06] <ivoks> today i was to tired to try again :)
[08:06] <slomo_> doko: sure... one second later and i would have uploaded it ;)
[08:07] <\sh> ivoks: when u use the package from syskonnect...you can choose between module compile or patch generation..choose: patch and apply it to a 2.6.12 kernel source..make menuconfig and enable it as module...compiles fin
[08:07] <\sh> e
[08:09] <ivoks> \sh: YES!
[08:09] <ivoks> \sh: i recall now doing that with 2.4 kernel
[08:09] <ivoks> doh...
[08:09] <ivoks> totally forgot about that...
[08:09] <dholbach> have a nice evening
[08:09] <ivoks> \sh: what would I do without you? :)
[08:09] <\sh> slomo_: do u know why in lighthttpd (revu) a Makefile.am is in debian/?
[08:10] <ivoks> dholbach: visit ivoks.blogspot.com when you have time :)
[08:10] <slomo_> \sh: no idea :) can you give me the url?
[08:10] <\sh> slomo_: I put my comment already on
[08:11] <\sh> slomo_: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=379
[08:11] <\sh> ivoks: bah...u need a real blog ;)
[08:11] <\sh> ivoks: want to have a ivoks.blogweb.de with serendipity? ,-)
[08:12] <dholbach> cool ivoks :)
[08:12] <slomo_> \sh: it's there to install all the files in the debian directory... how ugly
[08:12] <ivoks> \sh: wait, maybe later
[08:12] <\sh> slomo_: yes
[08:13] <ivoks> of course, there would be blog server :)
[08:16] <slomo_> hmm... is there a jabber blog bot? ;)
[08:17] <\sh> slomo_: yes...I have to install it ;)
[08:17] <slomo_> doko: drpython uploaded with every wish you had except the regexp stuff ;)
[08:18] <doko> slomo_: thanks!
[08:19] <ogra> doko, why has spe a blender icon ?
[08:20] <doko> ogra: they write, it can be called from blender, but I couldn't get this working ...
[08:20] <ogra> oh, cool
[08:20] <doko> ogra: if you want to try that ...
[08:21] <ogra> doko, if i have solved 15244, 12942 and 14967, i'll probably try it :)
[08:23] <ogra> doko, you should disable the dot files in the filebrowser....
[08:23] <ogra> (spe that is)
[08:23] <ivoks> did anyone watch go-open serial?
[08:24] <\sh> i didn't watch any of the go-open videos...when I have time
[08:24] <doko> ogra: there are more things to do in spe ... like cleaning up all the advertisements and the links to other distributions. maybe slomo_ got used to it by doing the same for drpython?
[08:24] <ivoks> i saw them all :)
[08:25] <slomo_> ivoks: so they work now for you? wonderfull :)
[08:26] <ivoks> slomo_: sort of...
[08:26] <\sh> but some packages are waiting for me
[08:27] <slomo_> doko: i can write it on my todo list... maybe i can do it tomorrow... just write me a mail with everything that needs to be done to slomo@ubuntu.com
[08:27] <slomo_> ivoks: sort of?
[08:27] <ogra> \me too... but odd bugs are waiting
[08:27] <ivoks> slomo_: audio and video aren't synced...
[08:27] <slomo_> ivoks: ah ok... but that's nothing we can fix :(
[08:27] <\sh> ogra: it's dark outside...wow so fast ;)
[08:27] <ivoks> slomo_: i don't know if that's fixable :)
[08:32] <slomo_> doko: and you can write me similar stuff too... but better via email ;) otherwise i probably forget it
[08:34] <\sh> grmpf..who requested a sync of centericq?
[08:34] <ogra> \sh, dholbach
[08:34] <\sh> i see...
[08:34] <\sh> fixing it
[08:35] <doko> slomo_: want a bug report?
[08:35] <\sh> after rezound
[08:35] <bddebian> rezound is screwed.  Also GL/GLU transition needed :-)
[08:36] <\sh> done already
[08:36] <\sh> it's building here
[08:36] <slomo> doko: for that kind of stuff?
[08:36] <\sh> bddebian: as well as ctsim ;) which needed a rebuild because of libwxgtk-2.4-1
[08:36] <bddebian> \sh: Didn't I already fix ctsim?
[08:36] <\sh> bddebian: no :)
[08:36] <\sh> bddebian: new unmet dep
[08:37] <bddebian> \sh: See, told you I suck ;-P
[08:37] <\sh> bddebian: the list is sucking on the wiki
[08:37] <\sh> bddebian: I'm working now on fresh LC_ALL=C apt-cache -i unmet
[08:38] <zyga> hello
[08:38] <bddebian> Hello zyga
[08:39] <\sh> building centericq
[08:40] <doko> slomo: sure, so I can reopen it, if I don't like it ;-P
[08:41] <zyga> bddebian: I'd like to contribute pygame-1.7.1 for universe if that's possible
[08:41] <slomo> doko: ok, just assign it to me and give me the url
[08:42] <slomo> doko: but only universe/multiverse stuff ;)
[08:45] <doko> slomo: done
[08:46] <\sh> ah AnHu
[08:47] <\sh> guys..welcome our new "motu to be" AnHu...KDE fan ;)
[08:47] <\sh> bddebian: do u want to guide him? ,-)
[08:47] <AnHu> stop, \sh is a little bit crazy.
[08:47] <AnHu> ;-)
[08:47] <\sh> no...riddell told me u will be our next motu ;)
[08:47] <slomo> hi AnHu :)
[08:48] <\sh> and what riddell is telling me, it's fact ,)
[08:48] <AnHu> I'm only a 16 year old student with 3 foreign languages ;-)
[08:48] <\sh> AnHu: that's good...
[08:48] <bddebian> Welcome AnHu
[08:48] <\sh> AnHu: the younger the better
[08:48] <bddebian> Hey
[08:49] <AnHu> welcome, you make a great job
[08:49] <\sh> bddebian: he can do a lot of workload ,-)
[08:49] <bddebian> \sh: You want ME to guide someone?  You are nuts. ;-P
[08:49] <\sh> bddebian: no...serious
[08:49] <\sh> bddebian: no joke now :)
[08:50] <bddebian> I'll do what I can. :-)
[08:51] <\sh> AnHu: bddebian is your mentor now :)
[08:51] <bddebian> Scary
[08:51] <slomo> doko: malone or bugzilla?
[08:51] <doko> slomo: malone 2326, you should have mail
[08:53] <slomo> doko: ok, got it :) where is the assign and other stuff in malone now? :(
[08:54] <slomo> ah found it...
[08:54] <AnHu> bddebian: How should I start?
[08:55] <ogra> wohoo, bddebian congrats to your new mentor job :)
[08:55] <bddebian> AnHu: What do you know?  What do you like?
[08:56] <bddebian> AnHu: Do you know anything about Debian/Ubuntu packaging at all yet?
[08:56] <bddebian> ogra: Heh, thx. (I think) :-)
[08:57] <AnHu> bddebian: No, nothing. I only know chekcinstall
[08:57] <AnHu> but that's not good, I know
[08:57] <bddebian> :-)
[08:57] <ogra> :)
[08:57] <bddebian> It's all good.  I don't know anything. ;-)
[08:57] <bddebian> AnHu: You could do me a big favor.
[08:58] <AnHu> what?
[08:58] <bddebian> AnHu: Do you have a breezy install or a breezy pbuilder set up?
[08:59] <AnHu> well, yes
[08:59] <AnHu> now I'm under Hoary
[08:59] <AnHu> but I have Breezy, too.
[08:59] <bddebian> AnHu: Do you know how to set up pbuilder?
[09:00] <Tonio-> hi
[09:00] <bddebian> Hello Tonio-
[09:00] <AnHu> bddebian: no
[09:00] <Tonio-> I have a little question concerning the version number for a package
[09:00] <Tonio-> I packaged klibido for breezy, already uploaded, and here is a new version
[09:00] <Tonio-> do I have to start with 0ubuntu1 also, or 1ubuntu1 ?
[09:00] <AnHu> bddbebian: I install the pbuilder package now
[09:01] <bddebian> AnHu: OK, good, first task. :-)  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PbuilderHowto  Set up pbuilder with Hoary first, then upgrade it to breezy, following the instructions.  If you get stuck, ask.
[09:02] <Tonio-> nobody know ?, bddebian maybe ?
[09:02] <bddebian> Tonio-: I'm confused, this is a new package or already in Ubuntu?
[09:02] <Lathiat> Tonio-: if this is a ubuntu-specific package, 0ubuntu1
[09:02] <Lathiat> Tonio-: 1ubuntu1 is when syncing from debian
[09:02] <Lathiat> Tonio-: or specifically when the debian version is 1 and you sync
[09:03] <AnHu> bddebian: ok
[09:03] <Tonio-> version 0.6 is already in breezy
[09:03] <\sh> x.y.z-<debrev>ubuntu<ubunturev>
[09:03] <Tonio-> version 0.7 has been released
[09:03] <Tonio-> and if there is no debian package ?
[09:03] <\sh> Tonio-: 0ubuntu1
[09:03] <Tonio-> okay ;)
[09:03] <\sh> even then
[09:03] <Tonio-> I'm gonna update it so ;)
[09:04] <Tonio-> is the usage of uupdate better than restarting from scrach ?
[09:04] <\sh> if uupdate is working
[09:04] <\sh> use uupdate
[09:04] <\sh> and check the diffs for installed files between 0.6 and 0.7
[09:05] <\sh> (after the build)
[09:07] <\sh> argl
[09:07] <Tonio-> okay thanks \sh ;)
[09:07] <\sh> dch: fatal error at line 647:
[09:07] <\sh> New version specified (0beta1-2ubuntu1) is less than
[09:07] <\sh> the current version number (0.beta1-2)!  Use -b to force.
[09:07] <\sh> grmpf
[09:07] <\sh> i need definitly new glasses
[09:08] <doko> slomo: please forward your drpython changes to the debian maintainer
[09:10] <Tonio-> \sh: last question, how to get the sources for uupdate ?
[09:11] <Tonio-> I tried apt-get source but I don't get the folder with the debian subfolder inside
[09:12] <Tonio-> ah forget, fu***ng screen refresh...........
[09:12] <slomo> doko: is this really needed anymore? he just has to look at packages.qa.debian.org and sees our changes to his package...
[09:12] <\sh> Tonio-: well...easy
[09:12] <\sh> Tonio-: u use the old 0.6 debianized source and do a uupdate ../klibido-0.7.tar.gz
[09:14] <doko> slomo: yes please. we say we feed back all changes to Debian, so please submit a bug report pointing to the changes
[09:17] <slomo> doko: hrm... i hate filling bugs by mail... i'll do later
[09:20] <\sh> grmpf
[09:20] <slomo> \sh: ?
[09:20] <\sh> how can I say cdbs to compile two binary packages for 2.3 and 2.4?
[09:20] <\sh> DEB_PYTHON_COMPILE_VERSION := 2.3 2.4 ?
[09:20] <\sh> did I mention today, that I hate cdbs? ,-)
[09:21] <AnHu> is this message correct when I make sudo pbuilder update --distribution hoary --override-config: I: Retrieving debootstrap.invalid_dists_hoary_Release
[09:21] <AnHu> I: Retrieving debootstrap.invalid_dists_hoary_main_binary-i386_Packages
[09:21] <AnHu> I: Validating debootstrap.invalid_dists_hoary_main_binary-i386_Packages
[09:22] <AnHu> then it follow checking many packages
[09:24] <\sh> bddebian: konq-shellhere can be morgued as well...
[09:28] <shawarma> slomo: Hi! I've uploaded a new version of libmms that fixes the last two issues.
[09:29] <slomo> shawarma: ok, i'll take a look
[09:29] <shawarma> slomo: Thank you very much for your quick and constructive help.
[09:30] <slomo> shawarma: you can begin to write a main inclusion report for that ;)
[09:32] <shawarma> slomo: Hehe. Excellent.
[09:33] <Tonio-> groupWidget.h: No such file -> third time I get this error with pbuilder
[09:33] <Tonio-> any idea ?
[09:33] <slomo> Tonio-: ask apt-file where this file is
[09:34] <Tonio-> k
[09:38] <Tonio-> damn this file doesn't seem to exist with breezy:/
[09:38] <slomo> Tonio-: is it in the package your currently compile?
[09:39] <Tonio-> yep, the new version of klibido
[09:40] <Tonio-> sudo apt-file search groupWidget.h gives me no result
[09:40] <slomo> but is this file in the package?
[09:40] <slomo> i.e. in the tarball?
[09:41] <Tonio-> ahhhhhhhh yes, it is
[09:41] <Tonio-> but it isn't found during the compilation....
[09:41] <Tonio-> okay
[09:41] <slomo> maybe broken buildsystem ;)
[09:41] <Tonio-> maybe yes
[09:41] <Lathiat>  hey Amaranth
[09:42] <Tonio-> that sound strange.......
[09:42] <Amaranth> hi
[09:42] <Amaranth> finished a math test in 20 minutes, got to leave early ;)
[09:42] <Lathiat> haha
[09:42] <Amaranth> we had 2 hours to do it
[09:42] <Lathiat> i've been known to finsih 3 hour exams in 55 minutes, had to wait 5 minutes till the hour was up before theyd let me go
[09:43] <Lathiat> Amaranth: question is, was it a good finish or a bad finish? ;)
[09:43] <slomo> Lathiat: about what was the exam? ;)
[09:43] <Lathiat> slomo: information systems
[09:43] <Amaranth> as long as the pages didn't have a front and a back i got at least a 90% :)
[09:43] <Lathiat> Amaranth: hehe
[09:43] <Lathiat> Amaranth: nice
[09:43] <Lathiat> i always feel guilty walking out so early
[09:44] <Lathiat> everyone probably thinks i did really bad
[09:44] <Lathiat> when i got like 80% or whatever :)
[09:46] <Amaranth> oh shit, i forgot to turn in the assignments for the unit with the test
[09:54] <Tonio-> little question..... again ;)
[09:54] <Tonio-> http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=553
[09:55] <Tonio-> what does this meen ? is it a problem if the package installs libraries ?
[09:55] <Tonio-> if so what to do ?
[09:57] <Surak> Hello
[09:57] <Tonio-> hi
[09:57] <Surak> I need help with the creation of a package. It's the first time I'm doing this the right way (R) reading the debian new mantainers' guide.
[09:59] <Surak> I've got help to be able to port the conexant hsf winmodem module to 2.6. It now works. I need to package this source to present it to ubuntu in the future.
[09:59] <Tonio-> I am not a specialist in packaing kernel modules ;)
[10:00] <Surak> my problem is when I do a dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot, the following happens:
[10:00] <Tonio-> I think it is a bit different from standard packages but not sure....
[10:00] <Surak> dpkg-source: building conexant using existing conexant_192.orig.tar.gz
[10:00] <Surak> dpkg-source: building conexant in conexant_192.diff.gz
[10:00] <Surak> dpkg-source: cannot represent change to modules/imported/hsfali.O: binary file contents changed
[10:00] <Surak> (...)
[10:00] <Surak> dpkg-source: building conexant in conexant_192.dsc
[10:00] <Surak> dpkg-source: unrepresentable changes to source
[10:00] <Tonio-> first use pbuilder and debuild instead of dpkg-buildpackage
[10:00] <Tonio-> this is the best advice I can give ;)
[10:01] <Surak> hum... is there any good howto on doing this? this guide says nothing about it.
[10:01] <Lathiat> Surak: you might want to look at existing packages
[10:02] <Tonio-> I must say I don't know ;)
[10:02] <Tonio-> I learn from scratch (pain in the ass !!)
[10:02] <Tonio-> but once you know these toold, it is a pleasure !
[10:02] <Tonio-> lokk at ubuntu wiki for pbuilder
[10:03] <Surak> right.
[10:04] <Lathiat> Surak: /query surak
[10:04] <Lathiat> bah
[10:04] <Surak> ok :-)
[10:07] <shawarma> Damn. It feels really good to finally have made a package that actually goes somewhere. Every other package I've ever made has never gotten any further than debian-mentors or REVU. :-)
[10:07] <Surak> this modem module may help a lot of people. there's no such a thing yet. I think ubuntu deserves to be the first place to have it :-)
[10:09] <\sh> grmpf
[10:09] <\sh> removing all pbuilder corpse
[10:14] <zyga> how can I upgrade a package in universe
[10:14] <zyga> blah - bad wording
[10:14] <zyga> I've upgraded a package currently in universe, it builds on hoary and should build on breezy too - how can I get it included?
[10:16] <\sh> zyga: via revu
[10:17] <Tonio-> if a package is a frontendend using for example xine, gstreamer or ffmpeg
[10:17] <Tonio-> should I put the three engines as dependancies ?
[10:17] <Tonio-> or maybe suggested ones ?
[10:18] <\sh> no.
[10:18] <\sh> 3 packages..
[10:18] <\sh> like totem-gstreamer
[10:18] <\sh> totem-xine
[10:18] <\sh> u need only to build them separatly out of one source
[10:19] <Tonio-> okay, that's logic yes
[10:19] <Tonio-> same package but with different dependancies in fact
[10:20] <Surak> Tonio: debuild says the same:
[10:20] <Surak> dpkg-source: cannot represent change to modules/imported/hsfyukon.O: binary file contents changed
[10:20] <Surak> dpkg-source: building conexant in conexant_192.dsc
[10:20] <Surak> dpkg-source: unrepresentable changes to source
[10:20] <Surak> debuild: fatal error at line 765:
[10:20] <Surak> dpkg-buildpackage failed!
[10:21] <\sh> Surak: u shouldn't have binary files at this stage...
[10:21] <\sh> Surak: if so, then u have a wrong clean target or clean target doesn't clean anything correctly
[10:22] <Surak> those are proprietary modules
[10:22] <\sh> Surak: but why is it changed then?
[10:23] <Surak> there's no source for them. Are the same which are used for the 2.2 and 2.4
[10:23] <Surak> that's a good question :-)
[10:25] <\sh> gnarf...from 100% hd full to less then 35% ,-)
[10:28] <bddebian> Sorry gang, got pulled into a meeting.  What have I missed? :-)
[10:28] <\sh> bddebian: konq-shellhere can be morgued ;)
[10:29] <bddebian> \sh: So why are you telling me?  Elmo keeps yelling at me. ;-)
[10:29] <\sh> bddebian: personal team assistant *lol*
[10:30] <\sh> trying to reproduce my "non X inotify bug"
[10:30] <j00bar> howdy.
[10:31] <j00bar> is this the right place to ask questions about pbuilder?
[10:32] <bddebian> \sh: :-)
[10:34] <j00bar> i'm trying to run pbuilder build in accordance with the instructions in the wiki, and on two different machines, the process errors out (for different reasons) when setting up dpkg-dev
[10:34] <j00bar> from the looks of the error messages, something is chroot'ing and then forgetting it is chrooted...
[10:34] <j00bar> one machine errors with:
[10:34] <j00bar> touch: cannot touch `/var/lib/update-notifier/dpkg-run-stamp': No such file or directory
[10:34] <j00bar> the other errors with:
[10:35] <j00bar> sh: dzhandle: command not found
[10:35] <j00bar> E: Problem executing scripts DPkg::Post-Invoke 'dzhandle restart-pending-instances'
[10:36] <\sh> j00bar: for puilder you should remove the update-notifier in /etc/pbuilder/apt.conf/
[10:36] <\sh> S99update-notifier
[10:37] <j00bar> d'oh.
[10:37] <j00bar> gracias para la ayuda
[10:38] <\sh> j00bar: it's written on the PbuilderHowto on the ubuntu wiki
[10:38] <bmonty> \sh: konqshellhere should be on the MorgueCandidates list already
[10:39] <\sh> bmonty: good :)
[10:39] <j00bar> it is? looking again.
[10:40] <bmonty> hmm...I just loaded the page and it isn't there.....but it will be in a sec :)
[10:41] <bddebian> So tell elmo you bums! ;-)
[10:41] <j00bar> it is there... i need to learn how to read better...
[10:41] <j00bar> thanks again...
[10:41] <bmonty> bddebian: tell him what?
[10:41] <crimsun> gar. much weeping and gnashing teeth.
[10:41] <bddebian> To morgue konq-shellhere
[10:41] <bddebian> Heya crimsun
[10:42] <crimsun> heya bddebian
[10:42] <bddebian> Done with that vlc yet? ;-P
[10:42] <bmonty> bddebian: oh yeah, I forgot he doesn't monitor those pages
[10:42] <crimsun> sorry, my highest priority is fixing ALSA for Breezy for the snd-hda-intel users
[10:43] <bddebian> Bah, who the hell uses ALSA? ;-)
[10:43] <crimsun> directsound all the way!
[10:43] <\sh> crimsun: are u involved as well in the python alsa stuff
[10:44] <crimsun> \sh: nope
[10:49] <Nafallo> crimsun: tiwai tells me hp_only should work. do we have an alsa version with that stuff in it? :-)
[10:49] <Nafallo> crimsun: hi btw :-)
[10:49] <crimsun> Nafallo: it's shipped in Breezy's kernel
[10:50] <Nafallo> crimsun: ha! then he is wrong :-).
[10:50] <crimsun> Nafallo: otherwise I have a test deb of a cvs snapshot from a couple nights ago at http://sh.nu/~crimsun/alsa-modules-2.6.12-8-686_1.0.9b-3ubuntu1~2_i386.deb
[10:50] <crimsun> (note the uname -r)
[10:50] <Nafallo> amd64-k8 :-)
[10:51] <crimsun> I'll install that kernel and make a deb
[10:51] <Nafallo> :-)
[10:53] <crimsun> eek, will take a while (slow dist-upgrade)
[10:53] <Nafallo> hehe :-)
[10:54] <Nafallo> either that or tell me the way to do it ;-)
[10:55] <crimsun> you can cheat by copying the debian/ dir from an untarred /usr/src/alsa-driver.tar.bz2 (from 'alsa-source') to a cvs checkout of alsa-driver (you'll need the alsa-kernel cvs module, too)
[10:56] <Nafallo> oki :-)
[11:02] <Nafallo> hehe
[11:03] <chillywilly> tseng: fix my X
[11:03] <bddebian> chillywilly: No one can fix your X honey.. ;-P
[11:03] <chillywilly> tseng: all 3D/DRI shit makes my X lock up hard
[11:03] <tseng> uh
[11:03] <chillywilly> :)
[11:03] <tseng> fix it yourself
[11:03] <bddebian> 3D/DRI makes you hard?
[11:03] <tseng> i dont like your attitude
[11:03] <chillywilly> I don't know wtf is wrong with it
[11:03] <chillywilly> tseng: sucks to be you then
[11:04] <chillywilly> bddebian: in your dreams
[11:04] <bddebian> heh
[11:04] <tseng> its great to be me.
[11:04] <bddebian> Uh oh
[11:04] <tseng> it could suck to be you.
[11:04] <tseng> :)
[11:05] <chillywilly> :(
[11:06] <rbelem> Nafallo:
[11:06] <rbelem> ops...
[11:06] <chillywilly> tseng: it still sucks to be you ;)
[11:06] <rbelem> sorry
[11:08] <bddebian> chillywilly: Don't worry, tseng doesn't like anyone. :-)
[11:08] <chillywilly> I don't care really :)
[11:09] <chillywilly> I just want to know why X is so fscked
[11:09] <chillywilly> I blame him :)
[11:09] <ajmitch> morning
[11:09] <\sh> re ajmitch  ;)
[11:09] <bddebian> Hello again ajmitch :-)
[11:10] <chillywilly> hi ajmitchie
[11:11] <tseng> if the above display didnt sink in, it was meant to be a playful hint to please behave
[11:11] <tseng> and not try to provoke people.
[11:13] <chillywilly> hmmm, /ignore is fun
[11:13] <tseng> good.
[11:13] <ajmitch> :)
[11:14] <tseng> bddebian: can you please explain the point to your friend that while we highly value contributors, i dont tolerate excessive screwing around?
[11:14] <tseng> bddebian: i think youve found the right balance yourself now :)
[11:15] <bddebian> Heh, thx.
[11:15] <bddebian> You're just saying that from my overload in breezy-changes
[11:16] <tseng> for every upload you get to make a one smartass comment
[11:16] <bddebian> Hehe, fair enough :-)
[11:17] <Nafallo> hehe
[11:21] <Surak> can I ask something about pbuilder here? is this the correct place?
[11:22] <bddebian> You can ask, dunno if we can answer :-)
[11:22] <Surak> I did a $ sudo pbuilder create --distribution hoary - but it takes forever on the following line: I: Checking component main on http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu...
[11:23] <\sh> Surak: it takes time
[11:23] <Surak> hum,... I've been looking at my screen for about one and a half hour. Better go home and get a beer then :-)
[11:25] <ajmitch> usually it doesn't take quite that long :)
[11:27] <Nafallo> crimsun: baah, packaged the latest devel release. nothing it diffrent :-P
[11:27] <bmonty> how do I get build logs for a particular package?
[11:28] <\sh> bmonty: http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/byDate/today.html
[11:28] <\sh> or 2 dirs up for single packages
[11:28] <bmonty> \sh: thanks
[11:32] <crimsun> Nafallo: sorry, which driver? I'm juggling several similar bugs.
[11:33] <Nafallo> crimsun: snd_via82xx, upstream bug 1051 :-)
[11:34] <Nafallo> crimsun: I handle it upstream. thanx for helping me prove upstream to be wrong ;-).
[11:40] <crimsun> Nafallo: erm, you wouldn't put ac97_quirk=hp_only in /etc/modules, you'd append "options snd-via82xx ac97_quirk=hp_only" to /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base
[11:41] <crimsun> please ''sudo invoke-rc.d alsa force-reload''
[11:47] <bddebian> OK gang, gotta run, catch you on the flipside :-)
[11:47] <crimsun> l8r