[12:00] <Fanskapet> hmm anyone here running ndiswrapper on a amd64 laptop?
[12:01] !christel:*! : Happy 16th birthday to HauntedUnix! He'd be most thrilled if you congratulated him in ##trivia 
[12:01] <cevizoglu> !tell Fanskapet about anyone
[12:01] <Fanskapet> :)
[12:01] <Seveas> Fred|Fr3d,
[12:01] <delire> ctw: no problem, filing bugs is integral to the development of open source software. that's how and why users are really important in OSS software development.
[12:01] <Seveas> sup?
[12:01] <erUSUL> AdmiralSenn: normally cdroms are iso9660
[12:02] <AdmiralSenn> k
[12:02] <Fanskapet> still.. i have enountered a strange problem probably due a kernel update.
[12:02] <Fred|Fr3d> Seveas: added another user to nxserver, but cannot login... you don't remember how we fixed this last time by any chance?
[12:02] <Fanskapet> seems like ndiswrapper fetches a ip from my dhcp server but i can't send any data at all.
[12:02] <erUSUL> AdmiralSenn: mount -t 9660 ... You should do a man mount
[12:02] <Seveas> sudo nxserver --passwd the_username
[12:02] <AdmiralSenn> hahahaahaha
[12:02] <AdmiralSenn> thanks
[12:02] <AdmiralSenn> well I knew -t
[12:02] <Fred|Fr3d> Seveas: yup done that
[12:02] <AdmiralSenn> man mount didn't tell me a whole lot
[12:02] <AdmiralSenn> but thanks
[12:02] <Seveas> Fred|Fr3d, is it a user that can login locally on your system?
[12:02] <Fred|Fr3d> Seveas: i ged "server not installed or access disabled", and yes
[12:03] <Fred|Fr3d> get*
[12:03] <Seveas> that message usually means you did not do nxserver --passwd
[12:03] <Fred|Fr3d> it gets past the authentication bit
[12:03] <Seveas> I'm a bit busy now, try to skim through the nxserv log and auth.log for more clues...
[12:04] <Fred|Fr3d> ok thanks, i will
[12:06] <LasseL> any program that isn't gtkpod that can update an iPod ?
[12:06] <dw7> LasseL: amaroK
[12:07] <cevizoglu> LasseL, gnupod-tools
[12:07] <blersk> how can i install wxpython 2.6 on ubuntu hoary ?
[12:07] <pestilence> what does "md: bind<hdb1>" in my dmesg output mean?
[12:07] <LasseL> thanks
[12:09] <[t0rc] > a problem I have. I'm using the ATI xorg drivers, and the control panel for dual-monitor support. I want to change the mode to extended desktop, but everytime I hit apply and/or okay, it says I need to restart X. So I reboot, or log in/log out and then the settings are back to cloning the screens. I didn't download any of the mysql or other database packages, do I need to? or is it something else? is there a way to restart X from a shell? thnx.
[12:10] <LasseL> dw7, do you know which amaroK engine is the best fit for ubuntu (gnome) ?
[12:12] <apokryphos> LasseL: depends on how you use things; a lot of kde users prefer arts, or other optimisations. Default in amaroK is gstreamer, but many tend to use xine, it seems
[12:12] <CookedGryphon> can anybody help me with my laptop's power management? please?
[12:12] <apokryphos> LasseL: I tend to generally use xine
[12:12] <erUSUL> [t0rc] : Crtl + Alt + <backspace> or maybe /etc/init.d/gdm restart
[12:12] <Seveas> Fred|Fr3d, any luck yet?
[12:13] <LasseL> grumble, iPod Shuffle is only supported in the latest release and ubuntu has som prehistoric version :/
[12:14] <mickskyvitch> I have just installed breezy having been using ubuntu for a few months and now have no sound,though the tracks seem to be playing any ideas?
[12:14] <kevogod> mickskyvitch, Is your sound muted?
[12:14] <mickskyvitch> no checked that
[12:14] <xom> Hello,  i cannot suspend to disk or to RAM could be because my laptop does no support these features?
[12:15] <Fred|Fr3d> Seveas: i dont think it likes the home directory for my username, so the permissions are screwed. and its owned by me too. i'll move some folders around 2moro.
[12:15] <cevizoglu> LasseL, why?  are you running warty?
[12:15] <CookedGryphon> i'm having trouble with my laptop's powermanagement too
[12:15] <lewiz> Is there any way I can forcibly start the main installation process manually?  I've bungled together a network install of Breezy but I think a few steps might have been missed out.
[12:15] <mickskyvitch> have checked the obvious I think kevogod
[12:15] <erUSUL> xom: more likely the linux kernel doesnot support your combination of hardware
[12:15] <Fred|Fr3d> Seveas: the home directory for the new user is in my home directory, so it doesnt like that. *
[12:16] <LasseL> cevizoglu, hoary, gtkpod is in the mirrormax repo
[12:16] <kevogod> mickskyvitch, Go to the terminal and enter "alsamixer"
[12:16] <xom> erUSUL thanks, anyways to addreess this problem?
[12:16] <CookedGryphon> mickskyvitch, have u tried killall esd, that quite often causes problems
[12:17] <mickskyvitch> okay got that kevogod
[12:17] <nybble> hey..
[12:17] <erUSUL> xom: :( try a diferent kernel maybe 2.6.11 can
[12:17] <xom> erUSUL thanks
[12:17] <erUSUL> xom: in universe
[12:17] <nybble> anyone know much about running a remote X server?
[12:18] <LasseL> nybble, it just works (TM)
[12:18] <nybble> pfft.
[12:18] <nybble> yes, it does.
[12:19] <[t0rc] > erUSUL: thnx.
[12:19] <xom> thanks erUSUL... will try that
[12:19] <mickskyvitch> no good CookedGryphon but ty
[12:19] <[t0rc] > are the xfree86 ati drivers better or the xorg ones?
[12:19] <LasseL> nybble, I have a ubuntu workstation and a ubuntu server
[12:19] <erUSUL> [t0rc] : you are wellcome
[12:19] <nybble> BUT. i would like X to start connected to the remote server, instead of local gdm
[12:19] <nybble> LasseL: i have it working
[12:19] <CookedGryphon> mickskyvitch, nvm, start it again with esd -nobeeps
[12:19] <LasseL> ok, don't know about that
[12:20] <nybble> LasseL: well how do you have it working?
[12:20] <CookedGryphon> mickskyvitch, actually jsut esd, tell us if u hear beeps...
[12:20] <LasseL> nybble, I run azureus on my fileserver, with the gui showing locally :)
[12:20] <LasseL> nybble, spares my desktop a lot of resources
[12:21] <pestilence> how do i un-associate my hard drive with a raid device?
[12:21] <LasseL> ssh myserver -X azureus
[12:21] <nybble> LasseL: ah, well I'm doing it because the other compy is underpowered..and my desktop is overpowered...so im just sharing the resources
[12:21] <pestilence> i can't mount /dev/hdb1 because md is picking it up on boot....apparently this drive was used as a raid drive in a different machine
[12:22] <pestilence> i get "md: bind<hdb1>" in my dmesg output
[12:22] <AdmiralSenn> gaaahh
[12:22] <pestilence> and then mount: /dev/hdb1 already mounted ... error
[12:22] <AdmiralSenn> I had to reboot into..... WINDOWS XP
[12:22] <AdmiralSenn> damn 'official nvidia drivers' keep screwing up my system
[12:23] <AdmiralSenn> every time I reboot I have to reinstall them
[12:23] <mickskyvitch> still the same CookedGryphon music apparently playing but just a buzz from the speakers,checked all cable and switched speakers
[12:23] <AdmiralSenn> and now when I go to reinstall them it says it couldn't find the kernel source when it's worked dozens of times before
[12:23] <AdmiralSenn> any ideas?
[12:24] <iratsu> I have the exact same problem as this one: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/history/353340 does anyone know of a solution?
[12:24] <CookedGryphon> mickskyvitch, do u not get any of the ubuntu login sounds or anything/
[12:24] <mickskyvitch> no I didn't all was well untill I installed Breezy
[12:24] <lsuactiafner> AdmiralSenn : uname -a check that the headers in /usr/src/linux/ is the same as the kernel version currently running
[12:25] <AdmiralSenn> it should be
[12:25] <Spudchat> hi everyone
[12:25] <AdmiralSenn> since it was working before
[12:25] <neighborlee> where does one get devel priviledges for example to upload .deb's ?
[12:25] <Spudchat> i was wondering what the difference between apt-get update and at-get upgrade were
[12:25] <lsuactiafner> neighborlee : look in ubuntu-devel
[12:25] <nybble> update will refresh the package list
[12:26] <[useless] > hello guys
[12:26] <nybble> upgrade will actually upgrade packages
[12:26] <lsuactiafner> Spudchat : upgrade the packages
[12:26] <Spudchat> oooo ok...thanks
[12:26] <neighborlee> lsuactiafner, ok
[12:26] <cevizoglu> LasseL, actually, gnupod-tools and gtkpod are both in universe
[12:26] <AdmiralSenn> is there anything else to try?
[12:26] <Spudchat> i used upgrade first then update and was wonderin why it found some more packages hehe
[12:27] <lsuactiafner> AdmiralSenn : compile your own kernel, get the source drivers from nvidia and be assuered it will always work
[12:27] <AdmiralSenn> heh
[12:27] <lsuactiafner> else depend on apt-get
[12:27] <cevizoglu> LasseL, and if you're feeling daring, you can try to upgrade those components to the ones in breezy.  but be sure you know what you're doing first
[12:27] <AdmiralSenn> well
[12:27] <AdmiralSenn> I'm using the nvidia run package
[12:27] <MatrixOwnsYou> hi
[12:28] <Lethal-Rocks> Can I ask a question and get a respone for once?
[12:28] <cevizoglu> Lethal-Rocks, you just did ask a question
[12:28] <nybble> Lethal-Rocks: possibly. ask away, i'm listenin'
[12:28] <lsuactiafner> Lethal-Rocks : maybe....
[12:28] <MatrixOwnsYou> hi
[12:28] <darkheart> Lethal-Rocks It's too bad you just used your 'once' hehe
[12:28] <[useless] > is there any screen reader for ubuntu (or linux OS)?
[12:28] <lewiz> How can I make Ubuntu re-run the X config?
[12:28] <nybble> oh!
[12:28] <nybble> Oh!
[12:28] <MatrixOwnsYou> anyone has experience with rsync?
[12:28] <cevizoglu> LasseL, I think there's a howto in the ubuntu wikis on doing it, but be very careful
[12:29] <Lethal-Rocks> I have Ubuntu installed twice. I want to upgrade my other install to breezy, so I chroot into it but I can't connect it to the net
[12:29] <mickskyvitch> Housework calls,I'll work on the sound later thanks for your help CookedGryphon
[12:29] <nybble> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[12:29] <lsuactiafner> apt-config xorgserver
[12:29] <lsuactiafner> or something like that
[12:29] <MatrixOwnsYou> i want to copy changed files between 2 dirs to a third one
[12:29] <nybble> lewiz: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[12:29] <CookedGryphon> mickskyvitch, s'ok, not that i did much
[12:29] <AdmiralSenn> bah I'm going to reboot and try it.... damn drivers
[12:29] <lsuactiafner> greppign for the xommand.
[12:30] <lsuactiafner> Lethal-Rocks : a chroot connects to the net, i run firefox in slackware chroot
[12:30] <lsuactiafner> Lethal-Rocks : maybe apt-get ect is blocked somehow from using the network?
[12:30] <Spudchat> ok thanks guys
[12:30] <nybble> lewiz: did that work?
[12:30] <lsuactiafner> whilest browsing and irc might still work?
[12:30] <moparfan90> hello
[12:30] <CookedGryphon> hi
[12:31] <Lethal-Rocks> ping comes up with unknown host
[12:31] <lsuactiafner> Lethal-Rocks : its not a chroot problem, its a network problem.
[12:31] <Lethal-Rocks> rofl @ nybble
[12:31] <lsuactiafner> can you ping from your normal ubuntu?
[12:31] <erUSUL> :D
[12:32] <crb> Q> say the company has doamin.co.nz
[12:32] <crb> 10:31 <AlphaQ> I would made
[12:32] <crb> 10:31 <AlphaQ> make
[12:32] <crb> (oops)
[12:32] <Lethal-Rocks> Yeah
[12:32] <moparfan90> Fear of living on     natives getting restless now      Mutiny in the air      got some death to do      Mirror stares back hard     Kill, it's such a friendly word      seems the only way     for reaching out again.
[12:32] <moparfan90> -metallica
[12:32] <Spudchat> allright so i lied...one more question
[12:32] <lsuactiafner> strange, maybe your /etc/resolv.conf is incorrect in the chroot
[12:33] <Lethal-Rocks> lsuactiafner, nailed it, it is dns
[12:33] <nybble> hehe
[12:33] <lewiz> nybble: Thanks.
[12:33] <moparfan90> !xorg
[12:33] <ubotu> xorg is, like, sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[12:33] <nybble> lewiz: no problem. i frequently hvae to do that...
[12:33] <Spudchat> why is it that ubuntu only recognizes 885 MBs of ram when i have 2024?
[12:34] <lsuactiafner> Spudchat : free -m
[12:34] <Spudchat> lol thats what i did
[12:34] <lsuactiafner> oh hmm
[12:34] <erUSUL> Spudchat: you need to use a kernel with highmem suport if you run 32 bit
[12:34] <lsuactiafner> hymen?
[12:34] <lewiz> nybble: Yeah, me too.  Just a real pain.  I'm really struggling to get my fonts at 75dpi.  I could use the GNOME font config but I want it set in my xorg.conf.
[12:34] <Spudchat> kernel = core of linux right?
[12:34] <apow> dist-upgrading to breezy *crosses fingers*
[12:34] <lsuactiafner> Spudchat : yeh
[12:34] <Spudchat> hmm what could i use?
[12:35] <Spudchat> i have a p4 mobile
[12:35] <lsuactiafner> apow : how much MB you need to download?
[12:35] <nybble> lewiz: yes, i prefer setting as much as posible in xorg. since stuff like DPMS doesnt seem to work right on my laptop
[12:35] <floppyears> hi does anybody know how to get the cursor blinking in rxvt ?
[12:35] <apow> some 600MB worth of packages i believe
[12:35] <Spudchat> oh yeah and it is 32 bit
[12:35] <lsuactiafner> Spudchat : i make my own kernels, no idea what apt kernels are about
[12:35] <Spudchat> hmmm
[12:35] <lsuactiafner> apow : would be like 1.4G on my pc then
[12:36] <apow> why?
[12:36] <lsuactiafner> got development tools installed ect
[12:36] <Spudchat> ok...im gonna try and learn from the web then
[12:36] <apow> so do i +_+
[12:36] <lsuactiafner> apow 850mb of development tools
[12:36] <apow> oh
[12:36] <apow> why that much lol
[12:36] <nybble> anyone here have an inspiron?
[12:37] <mdz> Spudchat: in 5.04, only the -686* and -k7* kernels support more memory; in 5.10 it will work with the default kernel
[12:37] <apow> Spudchat: if you install the i686 line of kernels you get highmem support if I'm not mistaken
[12:37] <apow> oops
[12:37] <apow> mdz :D
[12:38] <apow> -k7 borked for me though... i had to compile my own
[12:38] <moparfan90> http://www.rotorway.com      all visit this site a buy one
[12:38] <nybble> moparfan90: yoy
[12:38] <lsuactiafner> moparfan90 : go to hell.
[12:39] <moparfan90> nybble, whats?
[12:39] <mdz> neighborlee: http://www.ubuntu.com/community/participate#code
[12:39] <moparfan90> lsuactiafner, your just jelus
[12:39] <Spudchat> ok thanks :)
[12:39] <pestilence> does anybody know how to keep md from binding to a partition?
[12:39] <lsuactiafner> moparfan90 : and i hope you get ddosed and pwned in general
[12:39] <lsuactiafner> and i'm sure ppl on this server has the means.
[12:39] <nybble> moparfan90: heli kit
[12:39] <lsuactiafner> dont atvertise here.
[12:39] <moparfan90> best one :-)
[12:40] <moparfan90> im not its not my company
[12:40] <mdz> moparfan90: please stay on topic
[12:40] <moparfan90> sorry
[12:40] <AdmiralSenn> ah, back to good 'ol ubuntu
[12:40] <lsuactiafner> apow : slackware user also, used to compiling my own programs, especially since i prefer critical apps to run @ blazing speeds
[12:40] <moparfan90> see if you just ask and not say go to hell then i will
[12:40] <nybble> well, i could build one, and then remote control it with a ubuntu box
[12:40] <nybble> hmm
[12:40] <nybble> some relays are needed
[12:40] <AdmiralSenn> now
[12:41] <nybble> anyway
[12:41] <AdmiralSenn> to learn how to compile my own kernel with the nvidia crap preinstalled
[12:41] <erUSUL> Spudchat: see here http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/helpcenterfaq.2004-09-21.1496455883/view?searchterm=686)
[12:41] <CookedGryphon> can i apt-get source and have it compile automatically? and if i do will it make a noticeable speed difference?
[12:41] <apow> lsuactiafner: i haven't seen performance problems with shipped apps for a long time... the most common issue for me is that distros hardly keep up with new versions
[12:41] <BlueEagle> pestilence: What does /proc/mdstat say?
[12:42] <lsuactiafner> apow : same, i cvs mplayer every night.
[12:42] <spanish> im using ndiswrapper for my wireless card... its detected and everything but i cant connect to a router
[12:42] <apow> lsuactiafner: i'm not that horny :P
[12:42] <johan> anyone has trouble with firefox 64
[12:42] <lsuactiafner> things like gqview, blackbox and firefox i prefer to compile @ -O3 with only features i use
[12:42] <erUSUL> CookedGryphon: yes in gentoo ;)
[12:42] <lsuactiafner> lol
[12:43] <lsuactiafner> johan : what trouble/
[12:43] <nybble> ok.wtf. why are we in '#ubuntu-unregged'
[12:43] <CookedGryphon> erUSUL, yeah thanks 4 that
[12:43] <johan> my firefox is slow and unstable
[12:43] <BlueEagle> apow: nybble because you haven't registered?
[12:43] <pestilence> BlueEagle: i rmmod'd md, so it doesn't say anything
[12:43] <johan> will close on website using
[12:43] <BlueEagle> apow: sorry about that. :)
[12:43] <apow> what do you mean?
[12:43] <apow> lol
[12:43] <nybble> BlueEagle: our nicknames? or what?
[12:43] <lsuactiafner> johan : my fix is too complicated for you...
[12:43] <johan> slow with the tabs
[12:43] <apow> [19:43]  [Whois]  apow is an identified user
[12:43] <moparfan90> METALLICA
[12:43] <moparfan90> #1
[12:44] <johan> ok thanks anyway
[12:44] <spanish> for some reason i did it in breezy and it works but in hoary its broken
[12:44] <pestilence> BlueEagle: i don't have any raid, but md hijacks a partition on boot...i could blacklist md, but that doesn't seem like the right solution
[12:44] <apow> here is my id card mister.
[12:44] <neighborlee> mdz, np I found through hunting ;-)..thx...
[12:44] <lsuactiafner> but i made a slackware 32bit chroot to run firefox binaries from mozilla in.. incase you have any idea what that means.
[12:44] <pestilence> BlueEagle: the drive was a part of a RAID5 previously...
[12:44] <BlueEagle> pestilence: Do you have a raidtab?
[12:44] <pestilence> but i have since repartioned...but md wants to bind to it anyways
[12:44] <pestilence> BlueEagle: nope
[12:44] <nybble> interesting
[12:44] <johan> i dont know much
[12:45] <pestilence> BlueEagle: but, i get this on boot:  md: bind<hdb1>
[12:45] <lsuactiafner> bleh night all
[12:45] <lsuactiafner> Thu Sep 15 00:44:28 SAST 2005
[12:45] <CookedGryphon> what kernel version does breezy have?
[12:45] <pestilence> BlueEagle: what do i do to prevent this from happening
[12:45] <nybble> 2.6.12.?
[12:45] <BlueEagle> pestilence: Most peculiar. What does fdisk -l <device> say about the partition?
[12:45] <pestilence> BlueEagle: it says it's fine.  i can mount it just fine after i rmmod md
[12:45] <nybble> CookedGryphon: 2.6.12-8-
[12:45] <CookedGryphon> nybble, ta. anyone know if that has beter acpi support?
[12:46] <nybble> uhm
[12:46] <CookedGryphon> better*
[12:46] <nybble> ive yet to test.. i hear it does..
[12:46] <BlueEagle> admiralsenn: does he have to re-install or would it be enough to modprobe it (or even add nvidia to /etc/modules)?
[12:46] <pestilence> BlueEagle: i believe when you set up a raid, there is a superblock written to that needs to be overwritten, but i don't know how to do that.
[12:46] <P0S3R> hei all
[12:46] <nybble> CookedGryphon: i'm running it on my laptop
[12:46] <AdmiralSenn> I don't know, but each time if I fail to reinstall it sound doesn't work
[12:46] <CookedGryphon> cos i'm still on hoary and i can just about get a reading for battery level but that's it
[12:46] <nybble> CookedGryphon: what laptop are you using?
[12:46] <AdmiralSenn> and anything requiring openGL doesn't work either
[12:46] <Alos> hi, does anybody have seen this error
[12:46] <BlueEagle> pestilence: mk*fs should overwrite that superblock.
[12:46] <CookedGryphon> IPC Powernote A535
[12:46] <Alos> Error activating XKB configuration
[12:47] <nybble> hmmm.
[12:47] <CookedGryphon> nybble, its got an amd mobile athlon 4
[12:47] <CookedGryphon> which ubuntu says is known to not support cpu frequency scaling
[12:47] <Will^Draven> is there a way i can download the ubunu install iso to my home partition and install from there?
[12:47] <pestilence> BlueEagle: but, it didn't
[12:47] <pestilence> BlueEagle: i ran mkreiserfs on it.
[12:48] <nybble> CookedGryphon: hmm. that is odd
[12:48] <apokryphos> Will^Draven: there's many ways to install (you can even install from just windows). See...
[12:48] <apokryphos> ubotu: tell Will^Draven about install
[12:48] <nybble> CookedGryphon: i dont have much exp. with mobile athlons, i'm a centrino kinda guy
[12:48] <Will^Draven> thanks
[12:48] <CookedGryphon> nybble, and the fan is always running at full so its really noisy and also get quite warm, n the battery lasts for like an hour, cos the screen's always full brightness etc.
[12:48] <moro> Where can I found kernel 2.6.12 in breezy?
[12:48] <AdmiralSenn> BlueEagle: nvidia is already in /etc/modules
[12:49] <apokryphos> moro: in the repositories. It should be installed when you upgrade
[12:49] <BlueEagle> pestilence: what does /etc/init.d/mdadm-raid status tell you?
[12:49] <nybble> CookedGryphon: well, i can adjust my brightness with hotkeys... like Fn-Up or Fn-Down...
[12:49] <BlueEagle> admiralsenn: make that /etc/init.d/mdadm-raid stop
[12:49] <pestilence> BlueEagle: mdadm: /dev/md0 assembled from 1 drive - not enough to start the array.
[12:49] <nybble> CookedGryphon: out of the box i get like 2-3 hours.. and my fans are always running too
[12:50] <AdmiralSenn> erm?
[12:50] <AdmiralSenn> that's pestilence you want, not me
[12:50] <BlueEagle> pestilence: Well, mdadm-raid should really not be started anymore.
[12:50] <moro> apokryphos, I think but there isn't...
[12:50] <BlueEagle> admiralsenn: Sorry. :)
[12:50] <spanish> my wireless card is installed using ndiswrapper but i cant connect to any routers
[12:50] <CookedGryphon> nybble, maybe my battery's jsut screwed then
[12:50] <spanish> im using hoary
[12:50] <pestilence> BlueEagle: i guess that is one solution.  but it seems the correct solution is getting whatever flag is set on the drive to "raid" set to "not raid"
[12:51] <apokryphos> !info linux-386 breezy
[12:51] <ubotu> linux-386: (Complete Linux kernel on 386.), section restricted/base, is optional. Version: 2.6.12.12 (breezy), Packaged size: 21 kB, Installed size: 48 kB
[12:51] <apokryphos> moro: it's there
[12:51] <nybble> CookedGryphon: might be, have you optimized any options in the bios?
[12:51] <CookedGryphon> nybble, there don't seem to be any power saving options in the bios
[12:51] <Alos> hi, does anybody have seen this error:Error activating XKB configuration
[12:51] <CookedGryphon> i have said use optimal settings
[12:51] <CookedGryphon> but there dunt seem to b much to set
[12:52] <moro> apokryphos, where i put main restricted and universe but there isn't...
[12:52] <CookedGryphon> jstu the graphics mem share
[12:52] <nybble> CookedGryphon: hmm
[12:52] <CookedGryphon> and hdds n stuff
[12:52] <apokryphos> moro: are you sure you're running breezy? What does cat /etc/issue give?
[12:52] <[t0rc] > anyone using ati control panel?
[12:52] <buddy> i'm looking for a site that has tutorials on how to network ubutu/linux machines
[12:53] <BlueEagle> pestilence: did you try dpgk-reconfigure mdadm ?
[12:53] <mkyb14> sdfsd
[12:53] <moro> apokryphos, I'm not rynning breezy but I want to dist-upgrade to it! I already change the responsity...
[12:53] <lewiz> nybble: Is it possible to make Ubuntu automatically reconfigure the xorg.conf file, as it did at installtime?  i.e. not use dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg?
[12:53] <nybble> CookedGryphon: I would try breezy. But if you can wait, wawit. since there are updates almost daily
[12:53] <AdmiralSenn> hmm
[12:54] <CookedGryphon> nybble, also i think it might be overheating or something cos once it jstu froze completely and i had to reset
[12:54] <apokryphos> moro: oh, so you're trying to upgrade to breezy now?
[12:54] <nybble> lewiz: i dont think so...its easy enough to run the wizard
[12:54] <CookedGryphon> nybble, i'll wait til i get breezy, which will b at uni, cos it would take a while over my 2kb/s connection
[12:54] <BlueEagle> admiralsenn: What happens when you reboot?
[12:54] <CookedGryphon> it was hell getting ubuntu in the first place lol,. 6 days of downlaoding
[12:54] <nybble> CookedGryphon: yea, recommended.
[12:54] <AdmiralSenn> BlueEagle: when I reboot anything requiring openGL is borked
[12:54] <AdmiralSenn> xmms won't start, blender won't start, basically nothing starts
[12:55] <moro> apokryphos, yes but I wan't the 2.6.12 kernel
[12:55] <AdmiralSenn> reinstalling the drivers fixes it
[12:55] <BlueEagle> admiralsenn: what does glxinfo|grep OpenGL tell you before you re-install nvidia-glx?
[12:55] <apokryphos> moro: upgrade and you'll get it
[12:55] <apokryphos> ubotu: tell moro about upgrade2breezy
[12:55] <CookedGryphon> nybble, also, it was quite good at 3d in windows, but i dunno if the drivers are supported in linux and 3d is sloooow
[12:55] <AdmiralSenn> BlueEagle: uhhh I'm not using the ubuntu packace
[12:55] <mkyb14> can someone help me with a video card problem? on resloution
[12:55] <CookedGryphon> got the winmodem sorted tho
[12:55] <Spudchat> ok thanks for the link...so that command should do the trick?
[12:55] <AdmiralSenn> BlueEagle: I'm using nvidia's official linux package
[12:55] <Spudchat> well ill find out :)
[12:56] <nybble> CookedGryphon: what card do you have?
[12:56] <erUSUL> AdmiralSenn: then you should contact nvidia for support :P ;)
[12:56] <AdmiralSenn> great
[12:56] <AdmiralSenn> now to see if I can fit ut2k4 on my drive
[12:57] <CookedGryphon> nybble, i think its an SiS onboard one
[12:57] <mkyb14> anyone?
[12:57] <Will^Draven> hmm, the wiki dosent really cover what im looking to do, im running slackware 10.1, and want to change over to ubuntu, but i dont have any blank cds, and am too impatient to wait for shipit, so i'd like to download the iso to my /home partition and install from there, leaving the data on my home partition intact if possible
[12:57] <moro> apokryphos, I change the responsity I run apt-get update and I don't have kernel 2.6.12
[12:57] <popey> AdmiralSenn: i had *exactly* the same problem as you
[12:57] <AdmiralSenn> popey: oh good... how'd ya fix it?
[12:57] <nybble> CookedGryphon: ah, well it probably had good DirectX support, but horrible OpenGL support
[12:57] <popey> AdmiralSenn: i used to use the binary drivers from nvidia.com. now I dont. I use the packaged nvidia-glx driver
[12:57] <AdmiralSenn> >_<
[12:57] <AdmiralSenn> dammit
[12:57] <popey> and it works 100%
[12:58] <apokryphos> moro: you changed the repo and did: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade ?
[12:58] <AdmiralSenn> bah
[12:58] <popey> AdmiralSenn: also.. on my gorgeous new laptop :D http://popey.com/gallery/Nokia/Image403
[12:58] <CookedGryphon> nybble, that's all well and good, but surely i can speed it up a bit, its got 128 mb vidoe ram and can only get 140fps in glxgears for chrissake
[12:58] <BlueEagle> admiralsenn: Well, what does glxinfo|grep OpenGL tell you when you reboot?
[12:58] <AdmiralSenn> BlueEagle: I don't know..... I've never done that
[12:58] <CookedGryphon> i think it has a seperate graphics processor
[12:58] <Spudchat> so i installed the kernel...now reboot for the changes to take effect?
[12:58] <mkyb14> anyone here know about setting pu graphic cards ?
[12:58] <nybble> CookedGryphon: hmm, unusual amount of VRAM for an onboard... shared isnt it?
[12:58] <AdmiralSenn> I had to reboot into a separate kernel for it to reinstall
[12:59] <BlueEagle> admiralsenn: Well it would be a good idea to check which glx-driver is installed when it's causing your troubles. :)
[12:59] <BlueEagle> s/installed/started/
[12:59] <CookedGryphon> nybble, yeah, i can set it anywhere from 32mb -> 128
[12:59] <moro> apokryphos, not yet apt-get dist-upgrade because I see the kernel is 2.6.11
[12:59] <selinium> hi all, any wine users about? I am looking to install IE as i need to test websites on cr@ppy browsers
[12:59] <AdmiralSenn> I know very little about linux commands, really
[12:59] <erUSUL> Spudchat: yes you need to boot the other kernel
[12:59] <Will^Draven> :-\
[12:59] <popey> AdmiralSenn: I'd seriously recommend using the ubuntu packaged nvidia-glx driver. it saved me from throwing my pc out the window
[12:59] <CookedGryphon> nybble, it has 256mb overall, so i set the win share to 8mb and the shared video ram to 32mb
[12:59] <Spudchat> will it boot by default or do i need to make a change somewhere?
[12:59] <apokryphos> moro: I just showed you that it's not
[01:00] <mkyb14> anyone here know about setting pu graphic cards ?
[01:00] <Spudchat> sorry im still a n00b
[01:00] <nybble> popey: Its the model down from mine.. I have the 9300
[01:00] <CookedGryphon> mkyb14, depends on the graphics card
[01:00] <popey> 9300?
[01:00] <mkyb14> Vision Tek NV996.0
[01:00] <mkyb14> 32mb
[01:00] <erUSUL> mkyb14: pu?? graphic
[01:00] <nybble> popey: inspiron 9300
[01:00] <mkyb14> up
[01:00] <popey> nybble: this is an xps gen 2
[01:01] <nybble> sweet
[01:01] <cr4sh_xp> hey guyz
[01:01] <popey> :D
[01:01] <Spudchat> thats the machine im using popeye
[01:01] <popey> it runs absolutely perfectly :)
[01:01] <nybble> popey: mine looks exactly the same, but its got a 17in screen and white trim
[01:01] <Spudchat> hell yeah
[01:01] <popey> this is 17" 1920x1200
[01:01] <cr4sh_xp> can anyone tell me, how come not all aded software in my Applicayion menu is visible?????
[01:01] <nybble> sweeeeeet
[01:01] <popey> weighs a tonne :D
[01:02] <nybble> whats with the glowing blue?
[01:02] <darkheart> cr4sh_xp Try typing 'killall gnome-panel' to restart your menu.
[01:02] <popey> configurable coloured LEDs
[01:02] <nalioth> cr4sh_xp: some of it is console only (not a gui app)
[01:02] <nybble> !
[01:02] <ubotu> nybble: Did you get hit by a windmill?
[01:02] <nybble> FFS
[01:02] <popey> in the bios
[01:02] <BlueEagle> cr4sh_xp: Not all software makes entries in the gnome menu.
[01:02] <mkyb14> ?
[01:02] <nybble> I should have gotten it!
[01:02] <popey> it's nutty
[01:02] <nybble> ubotu: a windmill? perhaps!
[01:02] <ubotu> nybble: No idea
[01:02] <cr4sh_xp> yea tryed that already.. no but if i go to Edit Menu the software is there but is not visible
[01:02] <popey> I'd love to see if it's possible to confugure it in linux
[01:02] <popey> have the LEDs change colour through the day or something
[01:02] <popey> or go red when it's at high CPU :D
[01:02] <mkyb14> it's "Vision Tek NV996.0 Gateway Part #6001674 "
[01:02] <nybble> popey: possibly.. maybe with i8k?
[01:02] <Nikopol> popey, I hope that day never comes ;)
[01:03] <popey> heheh
[01:03] <popey> ooo i8k
[01:03] <popey> never thought of that
[01:03] <popey> had a poke about with acpi
[01:03] <Nikopol> you messed around witht he bios popey ?
[01:03] <mkyb14> anyone
[01:03] <popey> nothing there
[01:03] <moro> apokryphos, ok sorry but if I do apt-cache search kernel 2.6.12 I see it but if I use synaptic I don't see it... thanks by
[01:03] <popey> not yet
[01:03] <BlueEagle> cr4sh_xp: Which piece of software are we talking about?
[01:03] <mik3> Cannot find mozilla runtime directory. Exiting. <--i get this when i run nvu, i can't find any relivant posts on google or nvu's home page, any suggestions?
[01:03] <nybble> popey: well i8k doesnt work with mine
[01:04] <popey> :(
[01:04] <cr4sh_xp> for example >Applications>Accesories>Virus Scan is vislble in Edit Menu but not in the Menu!! L:D
[01:04] <AdmiralSenn> oh well
[01:04] <AdmiralSenn> thanks anyway guys
[01:04] <dooglus> does anyone know how to clear evolution's cache?
[01:04] <nybble> i love this laptop!
[01:04] <ubuntu> hola alguien me dice como puedo ver la configuracion de las x en un cd?!?! un live cd digo
[01:04] <popey> ditto
[01:05] <BlueEagle> cr4sh_xp: Which application does "Virus Scan" start?
[01:05] <Mago_de_Oz> configuracion de que??
[01:05] <cr4sh_xp> aegis-virus-scanner
[01:05] <BlueEagle> ...and wasn't the name of the menueditor smeg?
[01:05] <lui> hello
[01:05] <nalioth> dooglus: do you have a ~/.evolution?
[01:05] <nybble> ubotu: what windmill?
[01:05] <ubotu> nybble: Bugger all, i dunno
[01:05] <nybble> ubotu: *ish scared*
[01:05] <ubotu> nybble: Do they come in packets of five?
[01:06] <nybble> ubotu: the windmills? i beleive
[01:06] <ubotu> nybble: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
[01:06] <nybble> ubotu: yes, it tis
[01:06] <ubotu> nybble: Do they come in packets of five?
[01:06] <nybble> ubotu: and yes, they do
[01:06] <ubotu> Not a clue, nybble
[01:06] <cr4sh_xp> BlueEagle:aegis-virus-scanner si the software that it runs
[01:06] <cevizoglu> nybble: feel free to private message ubotu all you wish
[01:06] <cevizoglu> nybble: but don't do it here
[01:07] <nybble> lol
[01:07] <Spudchat> allright it worked
[01:07] <nybble> stupid me
[01:07] <nybble> lol
[01:07] <Spudchat> but it made my fonts all tiny
[01:07] <Spudchat> but it sees all my ram :)
[01:07] <nybble> ahoy, nalioth
[01:07] <mkyb14> anyone know how to install a nvidia graphics card drivers....?
[01:07] <mkyb14> the wiki isn't helping
[01:07] <BlueEagle> cr4sh_xp: and which menu editor are you using?
[01:08] <nalioth> nybble: howdy
[01:08] <CookedGryphon> i don't use a menu editor, its easy enough to edit the .desktop filels manually
[01:08] <nybble> nalioth: not a bot, right?
[01:08] <nalioth> nybble: who? me?
[01:08] <cr4sh_xp> BlueEagle: not sure I'm in gnome jsut right click on the Application button the chose Edit
[01:09] <nybble> nalioth: right
[01:09] <BlueEagle> cr4sh_xp: downloading and installign aegis now
[01:09] <nybble> nalioth: scared me
[01:09] <cr4sh_xp> BlueEagle: Ok
[01:09] <Will^Draven> hah! i found a cdrw i can use to burn the install media
[01:10] <BlueEagle> cr4sh_xp: When I right-click menu folders nothing appears to happen.
[01:11] <cr4sh_xp> click on Accessories: thats wher it is!
[01:11] <nybble> anyway, i'm off for a while
[01:11] <nybble> bbl
[01:11] <BlueEagle> cr4sh_xp: You running hoary or breezy?
[01:12] <cr4sh_xp> not sure how do i check ??
[01:12] <BlueEagle> cr4sh_xp: /etc/issue I guess
[01:12] <apow> ok
[01:12] <apow> dist-upgraded successfully it seems
[01:12] <apow> i'll reboot and test it
[01:12] <apow> :D
[01:12] <nalioth> cr4sh_xp: open a terminal and type "uname -a"
[01:12] <apow> brb i hope :)
[01:12] <nalioth> apow: have an install cd handy?
[01:13] <cr4sh_xp> brezze
[01:13] <cr4sh_xp> breezy!
[01:13] <apow> uh yes i think
[01:13] <apow> why? :D
[01:13] <apow> something i should know? :P
[01:13] <nalioth> apow: never know when you'll need one to get your arse out of a crack (like me when i upgraded to breezy)
[01:14] <apow> what happened?
[01:14] <nalioth> apow: i run PPC and when i rebooted from an apparent clean dist-upgrade, it had not quite completed
[01:14] <apow> wow i just upgraded and now there are five new packages
[01:14] <apow> upgrading again
[01:14] <apow> oooh i see
[01:14] <nalioth> apow: i had a terminal. no network, no X, nothing but an install CD
[01:15] <apow> :(
[01:15] <BlueEagle> cr4sh_xp: Might be some packages that escaped me. Installed from a borked CD, so I had to install the server system and go from there. :)
[01:15] <apow> lets see if I'll need mine, wish me luck :D
[01:17] <cr4sh_xp> so what do i Do
[01:19] <windmill> good evening all
[01:19] <CookedGryphon> good evening
[01:19] <windmill> Hi I am after some help ;)
[01:19] <Codeus> Well so first I was on the install cd for 5.10, and it would not let me resize my NTFS partition, so then I used the livecd hoping that I could just load up gparted to resize the NTFS partition, but when I loaded up gparted the system froze up!
[01:19] <CookedGryphon> oh no wait, its morning for me now
[01:19] <Codeus> how should I go about resizing ntfs!
[01:20] <windmill> well yeah it's morning for me too :D
[01:20] <funkyHat> Codeus, use the install CD for 5.04
[01:20] <nalioth> Codeus: in the install cd, hit "ctrl-alt-f3" for a new login and use regular parted
[01:20] <windmill> but who can be bothered to keep track of time
[01:20] <funkyHat> 5.10 is only a preview release
[01:20] <cevizoglu> Codeus: you've made a backup, right?
[01:20] <nalioth> Codeus: read up on parted before use and *disclaimer: back up all the data you want to keep b4 doing any disc operations*
[01:21] <CookedGryphon> i'm worried bout upgrading cos i'm jstu gna have one chance and if it screw up then i'm back to windows
[01:21] <Codeus> yes, yes, I backed up all data and whatnot, I just want to resize a friggin NTFS partition
[01:21] <tepus6> is the wma codec for xmms in synaptic? if so whats it called?
[01:21] <windmill> I wanted to ask about the Go Open programs from the shuttleworth foundation, any one watched them?
[01:21] <dooglus> the help in breezy still says "quick tour of 5.04 hoary hedgehog".  any idea what package I should report that against?
[01:21] <funkyHat> tepus6, no, it's not in any of the official ubuntu repositories. you can get the package though. google for xmms-wma
[01:21] <tepus6> k thanks
[01:21] <dooglus> Codeus: I used http://www.terabyteunlimited.com/bootitng.html to resize my NTFS partition.  worked a treat.
[01:22] <nalioth> tepus6: download the codecs at www.mplayerhq.hu on the downloads page
[01:22] <nalioth> funkyHat: see what i just wrote to tepus6
[01:23] <funkyHat> nalioth, read. :)
[01:23] <BlueEagle> cr4sh_xp: check to see if you can find it in /usr/share/applications
[01:23] <windmill> can I ask why my mplayer won't play back mpeg4 video with AAC sound?
[01:23] <AdmiralSenn> BlueEagle: hey
[01:23] <windmill> it'll do the video
[01:23] <AdmiralSenn> what's the command you gave me earlier? glx something|grep OpenGL?
[01:23] <windmill> but not sound
[01:23] <cevizoglu> windmill: I thought aac is apple's audio compression format
[01:23] <nalioth> windmill: have you installed your mp4 libraries?
[01:23] <mkyb14> ok anyone know how to make it so that i can edit files say for /var/www ..... i'm a sudoer and it won't let me make a index.html file!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[01:23] <Seveas> windmill, you might need w32codecs
[01:24] <nalioth> cevizoglu: it's also a video codec
[01:24] <Seveas> mkyb14, screaming won't help...
[01:24] <erUSUL> AdmiralSenn: glxinfo
[01:24] <AdmiralSenn> thanks
[01:24] <cevizoglu> nalioth, ic
[01:24] <mkyb14> not screaming, just me caressing hte irc channel
[01:24] <apokryphos> mkyb14: excessive exclamation-marks/punctuation is seriously unnecessary
[01:24] <windmill> cevizoglu, I thought so too
[01:24] <AdmiralSenn> nothing happened!
[01:24] <windmill> nalioth, I think I already have them installed
[01:24] <Seveas> mkyb14, as your normal user: sudo chown -R $USER:USER /var/www
[01:24] <AdmiralSenn> O_o
[01:24] <nalioth> cevizoglu: sometimes called h264
[01:24] <BlueEagle> admiralsenn: glxinfo|grep OpenGL
[01:24] <Seveas> that will make you owner of all files in there
[01:24] <AdmiralSenn> running just glxinfo segfaults
[01:24] <windmill> Seveas, the video plays back fine but with no sound
[01:25] <net_benjo> can somebody please help me with setting up wireless using WEP encryption
[01:25] <AdmiralSenn> BlueEagle: it doesn't display anything
[01:25] <mkyb14> why would i have to do suck a command if i'm a sudoer.... shouldn't i have access to write to these folders reguardless
[01:25] <BlueEagle> admiralsenn: And if you prefix every line you write to me I might read them faster. Also don't use enter instead of punctuation marks.
[01:25] <AdmiralSenn> sorrt
[01:25] <AdmiralSenn> *sorry
[01:25] <windmill> cevizoglu, nalioth, Seveas I wanted to play this : http://www.go-opensource.org/go_open/news/download_go_open/
[01:25] <BlueEagle> admiralsenn: are you loading glx in xorg.conf?
[01:25] <AdmiralSenn> not used to fast IRC channels
[01:25] <Seveas> mkyb14, only with sudo...
[01:25] <windmill> you would think it would be encoded in an open format
[01:25] <AdmiralSenn> BlueEagle: good question
[01:26] <nalioth> windmill: do you have all your repos enabled?
[01:26] <BlueEagle> admiralsenn: cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf|grep glx
[01:26] <mkyb14> so it's  sudo chown -R $mkyb14:USER /var/www
[01:26] <windmill> nal yes
[01:26] <kewlman> hi everyone!
[01:26] <mkyb14> ? if i do it as user user it says sudo : cannot get working directory
[01:26] <net_benjo> hi guys, I need help restoring my wireless to work like out of the box...is there a way to do that??
[01:26] <windmill> nalioth, what packages should I have installed?
[01:26] <AdmiralSenn> BlueEagle: load "glx" is in there
[01:27] <nalioth> windmill: look for mp4 in synaptic
[01:27] <Seveas> chanserv messages tend to get lost here :S
[01:27] <BlueEagle> admiralsenn: cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log|grep glx
[01:27] <AdmiralSenn> no such file or dir
[01:28] <kewlman> how do i erase the configuration file for gnomemeeting? i keep getting a "program ended unexpectedly error when i start it" want to erase the config file and start from scratch
[01:28] <BlueEagle> admiralsenn: no /var/log/Xorg.0.log?
[01:28] <AdmiralSenn> BlueEagle: it shows it in the directory.. let me try it again
[01:28] <AdmiralSenn> BlueEagle: (II) LoadModule: "glx"
[01:28] <AdmiralSenn> (II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions/libglx.so
[01:28] <AdmiralSenn> (II) Module glx: vendor="NVIDIA Corporation"
[01:28] <BlueEagle> admiralsenn: that's .ZERO. not .OH.
[01:28] <AdmiralSenn> I know how to spell it...
[01:29] <BlueEagle> admiralsenn: ...so it sais that it's loading but it's not loading anyways... :/
[01:29] <mkyb14> ok now when i try and access the file it says that i don't have access to /var/www   ....what just happened
[01:29] <AdmiralSenn> forgot a /
[01:29] <erUSUL> kewlman: ~/.gnome2/gnomemeeting
[01:29] <nalioth> windmill: also look for aac
[01:29] <AdmiralSenn> BlueEagle: yeah... something's gone wrong here
[01:29] <BlueEagle> admiralsenn: does /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions/libglx.so appear to be sane (ie. permissions set right and so on)?
[01:30] <AdmiralSenn> BlueEagle: I don't know.. how would I check?
[01:30] <net_benjo> can anybody help me recover my wireless settings to what are out of the box
[01:30] <AdmiralSenn> and yes I know I'm a frustrating user
[01:30] <wyvernmonarch7> [4294671.255000]  ohci_hcd 0000:00:1c.2: Unlink after no-IRQ? Controller is probabl using the wrong IRQ.
[01:30] <mkyb14> seavas: that command made it so that now my browwer can't see the page
[01:30] <wyvernmonarch7> thats what i get when i try to install ubuntu
[01:30] <djm62> net_benjo: iwconfig ethX essid any
[01:30] <mkyb14> Seveas:
[01:30] <BlueEagle> admiralsenn: also how does ls -l /dev/nvidia* appear to have their permissions set?
[01:31] <djm62> net_benjo: where X is whatever your wireless card is... 0, 1, 2
[01:31] <bobbyd> hi
[01:31] <BlueEagle> admiralsenn: how about cat /etc/group/video shows your username?
[01:31] <net_benjo> djm62:  sorry i didn't understand that
[01:31] <BlueEagle> s/how about/does/
[01:31] <djm62> net_benjo: what's changed since it was working?
[01:31] <Seveas> mkyb14, chmod -R a+r /var/www
[01:31] <bobbyd> what's the name of the tool that lets you install something compiled from source as a .deb? You use it like: "tool make install".
[01:32] <AdmiralSenn> BlueEagle: crw-rw-rw-  1 root root 195,   0 2005-09-14 19:22 /dev/nvidia0 and crw-rw-rw-  1 root root 195, 255 2005-09-14 19:22 /dev/nvidiactl
[01:32] <Seveas> bobbyd, checkinstall
[01:32] <Spudchat> hi everyone...something went wrong with the way my system looks....everything looks much smaller now
[01:32] <bobbyd> Seveas, thanks :)
[01:32] <Spudchat> any suggestions?
[01:32] <mkyb14> cannot get working directory "
[01:32] <AdmiralSenn> BlueEagle: and cat /etc/group/video says it's not a directory
[01:32] <bobbyd> Spudchat, move closer to the monitor
[01:32] <cevizoglu> Spudchat: change your screen resolution to a lesser number?
[01:32] <bipolar> does breezy have support for dropshaddows and such in X?
[01:32] <Spudchat> lol
[01:32] <BlueEagle> admiralsenn: Those permissions should allow all to use the video device regardless of group. It should (in my opinion be) crw-rw---- root video
[01:32] <Spudchat> then it doesnt fill the screen
[01:32] <net_benjo> djm62: ok..i was trying to set up WPA encryption..so I followed some directions from ubuntu forums...but I got stuck half way doing that....now my WPA doesnt work..but neither does WEP
[01:33] <BlueEagle> admiralsenn: cat /etc/group|grep video
[01:33] <Spudchat> are there any other settings that can affect that? like dpi?
[01:33] <BlueEagle> admiralsenn: get your /-s and |-s right. :)
[01:33] <djm62> !wep
[01:33] <ubotu> somebody said wep was http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/helpcenterfaq.2004-10-07.0031507315
[01:33] <BlueEagle> admiralsenn: oh, my bad. I mis-spelt it :)
[01:33] <AdmiralSenn> yes.. I noticed...
[01:33] <mkyb14> ???
[01:33] <apow> i live.
[01:33] <AdmiralSenn> BlueEagle: video:x:44:adam
[01:33] <mkyb14> seveas that didn't work
[01:34] <djm62> net_benjo: is the link from ubotu what you've been doing?
[01:34] <djm62> to get wep
[01:34] <sockpuppe1> anyone have the intel i915 grafix chip
[01:34] <BlueEagle> admiralsenn: Well, since your /dev/nvidia* are root:root it doesn't really matter. Have you tried installing the ubuntu packaged glx drivers before installing the custon glx-drivers?
[01:34] <popey> AdmiralSenn: have you reverted to the ubuntu package for nvidia yet?
[01:34] <BlueEagle> custom*
[01:34] <wyvernmonarch7> does ubuntu 32 bit work on amd 64?
[01:35] <AdmiralSenn> popey and BlueEagle, no I haven't, but I haven't heard of anyone else having this problem
[01:35] <popey> i have
[01:35] <BlueEagle> wyvernmonarch7: short answer: no. Long answer: yes, but it requires a spesific setup.
[01:35] <popey> i had exactly this problem
[01:35] <SuperQ> wyvernmonarch7: if you mean does ubnutu x86 work on opteron/athlon64, yes
[01:35] <popey> seriously
[01:35] <AdmiralSenn> there was some reason I'm using the nvidia problem
[01:35] <popey> use the nvidia-glx package
[01:35] <wyvernmonarch7> yes thats what i mean
[01:35] <AdmiralSenn> popey: besides you :P
[01:35] <wyvernmonarch7> i dl the x86 ubuntu for amd 64 system
[01:35] <popey> how many people do you need to convince you?
[01:35] <popey> exactly?
[01:35] <SuperQ> wyvernmonarch7: yes.. that will work just fine
[01:35] <wyvernmonarch7> cuz ppl told me there wasnt a real advantage to the 64 one
[01:35] <popey> i had been having this problem for some time, and I'm no beginner
[01:35] <wyvernmonarch7> [4294671.255000]  ohci_hcd 0000:00:1c.2: Unlink after no-IRQ? Controller is probabl using the wrong IRQ.
[01:35] <wyvernmonarch7> thats what i get when i try to install
[01:35] <sockpuppe1> i have the intel i915 grafix card and my opengl games suck
[01:35] <net_benjo> djm62: NO this link is something different..but it looks like it might help me...I was following another thread which was about settinp up WPA wireless..but i'll look at this link now...
[01:36] <BlueEagle> admiralsenn: Well, using the ubuntu package might set up something that you and I might have over-looked and make the upgrade work.
[01:36] <sockpuppe1> anyone know why
[01:36] <nalioth> wyvernmonarch7: you'll get more use out of a x86 kernel on your box
[01:36] <AdmiralSenn> popey: I believe you... for crying out loud
[01:36] <SuperQ> wyvernmonarch7: hrmmm.. sounds like a hardware support problem
[01:36] <popey> so why not just fix it then?
[01:36] <AdmiralSenn> BlueEagle: so just reinstall the ubuntu package and then try it again?
[01:36] <BlueEagle> admiralsenn: but the fact that glxinfo doesn't show any glx drivers at all worries me. Especially since there's no entry in the error log of the x-server about glx failing.
[01:36] <wyvernmonarch7> the only linux i can \get to work is redhatenterprise 5
[01:36] <wyvernmonarch7> 5
[01:36] <wyvernmonarch7> 43
[01:36] <SuperQ> wyvernmonarch7: are you using 05.04?
[01:36] <wyvernmonarch7> 4 i mean
[01:36] <BlueEagle> admiralsenn: That might fix it.
[01:36] <AdmiralSenn> okay
[01:36] <popey> get nvidia-glx and the linux-restricted packagefor your kernel
[01:37] <AdmiralSenn> uh oh
[01:37] <wyvernmonarch7> all i have installed is windiows xp pro
[01:37] <popey> i now have two machines running side by side like this
[01:37] <sockpuppe1> can anyone help
[01:37] <sockpuppe1> ???
[01:37] <SuperQ> wyvernmonarch7: which ubuntu release are you trying?
[01:37] <AdmiralSenn> nvidia-glx and nvidia-glx-dev are already installed
[01:37] <wyvernmonarch7> the latest
[01:37] <AdmiralSenn> >_<
[01:37] <wyvernmonarch7> i just dl it
[01:37] <koneng> how do i access network shares on my school's network?
[01:37] <AdmiralSenn> this is probably my problem
[01:37] <wyvernmonarch7> 1 hour ago
[01:37] <popey> AdmiralSenn: doesn't mean you're using them
[01:37] <popey> AdmiralSenn: that's what i had
[01:37] <SuperQ> wyvernmonarch7: yes.. "the latest" as in the preview?
[01:37] <popey> AdmiralSenn: I'd remove them and reinstall them
[01:37] <AdmiralSenn> okay
[01:38] <wyvernmonarch7> lemme see
[01:38] <koneng> i know the IP address of the computer that I want to access, but I just dont know how to do it
[01:38] <BlueEagle> admiralsenn: Which version is your custom nvidia-glx driver btw?
[01:38] <wyvernmonarch7> http://us.releases.ubuntu.com/releases/5.10/ubuntu-5.10-preview-install-i386.iso
[01:38] <wyvernmonarch7> 5.1
[01:38] <SuperQ> wyvernmonarch7: yea.. that's the preview
[01:38] <AdmiralSenn> BlueEagle: custom? I'm using the nvidia official driver, and it's 1.0-7667
[01:38] <SuperQ> wyvernmonarch7: well.. 5.10
[01:38] <SuperQ> wyvernmonarch7: (year.month)
[01:38] <wyvernmonarch7> so
[01:38] <wyvernmonarch7> ok
[01:38] <wyvernmonarch7> well
[01:38] <DaMi3n> i have a problem with running java applets in ubuntu. when evr i run an applet it crashes
[01:38] <DaMi3n> Problematic frame:
[01:38] <DaMi3n> # C  [libfontmanager.so+0x34ada] 
[01:38] <wyvernmonarch7> why the fuckf do they have that there
[01:39] <DaMi3n> is there a solutio to this
[01:39] <wyvernmonarch7> so i have to dl another kind
[01:39] <cevizoglu> wyvernmonarch7, try hoary
[01:39] <BlueEagle> admiralsenn: It's not an ubuntu package, hence it's custom.
[01:39] <BlueEagle> or thus
[01:39] <d2dchat> hey i just got a bunch of update notices in my update list
[01:39] <cevizoglu> wyvernmonarch7, all OS vendors hand out prereleases
[01:39] <AdmiralSenn> well, now to reboot... again
[01:39] <d2dchat> is this because ubuntu has come out with 5.10 now?
[01:40] <net_benjo> djm62: when I type:  iwconfig eth0   I get the following:  no wirless extension
[01:40] <SuperQ> 5.10 is not out yet
[01:40] <SuperQ> it's a beta preview
[01:40] <wyvernmonarch7> omg
[01:40] <wyvernmonarch7> so its not supposed to work
[01:40] <d2dchat> ah, then why do i have all this ne wsutff to update?
[01:40] <wyvernmonarch7> ?
[01:40] <SuperQ> wyvernmonarch7: it's _supposed_ to work
[01:40] <d2dchat> should i update it all?
[01:40] <SuperQ> wyvernmonarch7: but in your case, it's not ;)
[01:40] <SuperQ> wyvernmonarch7: it sounds like you have a very new system
[01:40] <DaMi3n> i have a problem with running java applets in ubuntu. when evr i run an applet it crashes Problematic frame: # C  [libfontmanager.so+0x34ada] . is there a solution to this?
[01:40] <wyvernmonarch7> yes i do
[01:41] <SuperQ> wyvernmonarch7: can you tell me what motherboard you have?
[01:41] <cevizoglu> wyvernmonarch7, apple handed out their last pre-release eight months before ship date, when it was still kernel panicking on an hourly basis
[01:41] <BlueEagle> Anyone know where nVidia keep the changelogs for their drivers?
[01:41] <d2dchat> like, xserver and all that junk went from 6.8.2 to 10.1
[01:41] <d2dchat> and apache upgraded
[01:41] <wyvernmonarch7> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E16813153031
[01:41] <SuperQ> wyvernmonarch7: awsome.. thanks
[01:41] <SuperQ> wyvernmonarch7: one sec
[01:41] <wyvernmonarch7> sure
[01:41] <djm62> net_benjo: what if you just type iwconfig
[01:41] <d2dchat> actually i was wrong about the versions but all this stuff has a new version, is it safe to upgrade?
[01:42] <net_benjo> i get no wirless extension on all 3:  lo , eth0, eth1
[01:42] <djm62> oh bugger
[01:42] <d2dchat> will it break my distro to upgrade after i changed the universe settings or whatever
[01:42] <net_benjo> lol
[01:43] <net_benjo> i knew I messed it up good..
[01:43] <djm62> net_benjo: can you link me to the page with the instructions you were following?
[01:43] <apow> anyone here on breezy and has a nvidia video card?
[01:43] <net_benjo> djm62: yeah..i think so ..give me a sec
[01:43] <novatux> hi
[01:44] <novatux> when ubuntu breezy is freezed?
[01:44] <ashcraft> wireless cards should show up under wlan0...atleast   mine does
[01:44] <Zodiac> hello all
[01:44] <Zodiac> DVD question...
[01:44] <net_benjo> djm62:  http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=26623&highlight=wpa
[01:44] <crb> Zodiac: the answer is 'multiple angles'
[01:44] <DaMi3n> i have a problem with running java applets in ubuntu. when evr i run an applet it crashes with the message Problematic frame: # C  [libfontmanager.so+0x34ada] . is there a solution to this?
[01:45] <Zodiac> I am getting the libdvdcss2 error message even though I have it installed
[01:45] <Zodiac> I am running breezy what is the dillio?
[01:45] <ryanarp> hi
[01:45] <Zodiac> Oh, and DMA is enabled
[01:45] <koneng> how would i access shared files from xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx ip (computer on my local network)?
[01:45] <Zodiac> Totem Xine
[01:45] <Zodiac> Any idears?
[01:45] <SuperQ> koneng: what is the other computer?
[01:46] <ryanarp> this is my problem ubuntu installs great except at the login screen the sound plays video is great but after a while it locks up
[01:46] <net_benjo> djm62:  did you see the page? i can tell you how far I've done
[01:46] <Quinthius> koneng: open up nautilus and go to smb://ip-address/ i think
[01:46] <djm62> I'm reading it now...might not be too bad
[01:46] <ryanarp> i can never make it to the kde desktop environment
[01:46] <net_benjo> ok...just have this in mind...
[01:46] <SuperQ> wyvernmonarch7: *poke*
[01:47] <wyvernmonarch7> hi
[01:47] <SuperQ> wyvernmonarch7: see /msg
[01:47] <Zodiac> The source seems encrypted, and can't be read. Are you trying to play an encrypted DVD without libdvdcss?
[01:47] <wyvernmonarch7> see /msg
[01:47] <Zodiac> No....
[01:47] <Zodiac> I have it installed
[01:47] <Zodiac> :(
[01:47] <geekchic9> hi
[01:47] <wyvernmonarch7> whwat>
[01:47] <SuperQ> wyvernmonarch7: you did not respond to my message
[01:47] <wyvernmonarch7> ya i did
[01:47] <koneng> SuperQ, what do you mean by "what is it?"
[01:47] <SuperQ> koneng: what OS is the remote computer running
[01:48] <wyvernmonarch7> superq see my msesg
[01:48] <Zodiac> Does Breezy have a problem with DVDs?
[01:48] <SuperQ> wyvernmonarch7: you're not sending me any ;)
[01:48] <net_benjo> the instructions say to do:  sudo sh  remove-old in 2 places....well I was having problem with those..basically i could NOT remove old files...but I tried to make ieee80211-1.0.3 anyways...that was stupid I know....
[01:48] <Quinthius> koneng: smb://xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx/
[01:48] <koneng> i assume windows XP.. it's on my university's network
[01:48] <mkyb14> i have a program that requires  GTK v2.0  . and apt-get install gtk doens't work..... anyone know how to obtain this?
[01:48] <SuperQ> koneng: ahh
[01:48] <koneng> do i need to install anything for smb to work?
[01:48] <SuperQ> koneng: no
[01:48] <djm62> net_benjo: this is kind of messy, I'm trying to guess what files you have and what ones have been edited
[01:48] <Quinthius> koneng: no, just open up nautilus and type that in the location. it also appears to work in firefox i just found out...
[01:48] <apow> apt-get install gtk+
[01:49] <SuperQ> koneng: there is also a network file browser in Places menu
[01:49] <BlueEagle> where did the admiral go?
[01:49] <koneng> Hmm, i keep getting "Sorry cannot display all the contents of "windows network: xxxx"
[01:49] <mkyb14> neg that doens't owrk
[01:49] <mkyb14> work*
[01:49] <DaMi3n> i have a problem with running java applets in ubuntu. when evr i run an applet it crashes with the message Problematic frame: # C  [libfontmanager.so+0x34ada] . is there a solution to this?
[01:49] <koneng> i tried going to the speciic IP and random computers from Network places
[01:50] <DaMi3n> soemone help me
[01:50] <nalioth> DaMi3n: be patient
[01:50] <mkyb14> i have a program that requires  GTK v2.0  . and apt-get install gtk doens't work..... anyone know how to obtain this?
[01:51] <mkyb14> the program is bluefish, and apt-get intall bluefish  ... doesn't work either even though their website says it does
[01:51] <Zodiac> this stinks :(
[01:51] <Zodiac> Did the updates today break DVD playback??
[01:51] <djm62> net_benjo: did your card work out-of-the-box with wep?
[01:51] <BlueEagle> mkyb14: libgtk2.0-0 or something
[01:52] <net_benjo> djm62: yes
[01:52] <cafuego_> mkyb14: "doesn't work" is not a highly useful bug report. Can you paste the actual error on the pastebin?
[01:52] <BlueEagle> mkyb14: just apt-cache search libgtk2 or search for libgtk2 in synaptic
[01:52] <mkyb14> mkyb14@ubuntu:/$ sudo apt-get install bluefish
[01:52] <mkyb14> package doesn't exist
[01:53] <cafuego_> !info bluefish
[01:53] <ubotu> bluefish: (gtk+ HTML editor), section universe/web, is optional. Version: 1.0+cvs2005021601-0ubuntu1 (hoary), Packaged size: 1350 kB, Installed size: 5984 kB
[01:53] <BlueEagle> !tell mkyb14 about repos
[01:53] <cafuego_> mkyb14: You need to enable the 'universe' repository.
[01:53] <mkyb14> how
[01:53] <cafuego_> See the message ubotu sent you
[01:54] <net_benjo> djm62: you have any idea how to restore it?   or am I stuck with reinstall
[01:54] <putz_kinhu> there is a msn for linux that accept pictures?
[01:54] <djm62> net_benjo: I'm at a loss, because I'm not familiar with the drivers for that card
[01:55] <koneng> SuperQ, Quinthius: is there anything I would need to configure in order to access network shares? I've tried several different once and I keep getting "Sorry cannot display all the contents of "windows network: <ip>"
[01:55] <net_benjo> thanks anyway man....i appreciate it
[01:55] <koneng> once = ones
[01:55] <djm62> net_benjo: how long has it been installed for? will it take less time to reinstall than to debug?
[01:55] <BlueEagle> putz_kinhu: gaim accepts pictures, doesn't it? Maybe amsn does?
[01:55] <putz_kinhu> i will try
[01:55] <putz_kinhu> thanks
[01:55] <net_benjo> well I've had it for about a month....
[01:56] <BlueEagle> putz_kinhu: If all else fails you could try kopete, but that uses QT, and will bring some overhead to gnome iirc.
[01:56] <mik3> putz_kinhu : you mean video?
[01:56] <net_benjo> but i don't really feel like a reinstall...but I might have to
[01:56] <putz_kinhu> i'm using kopete
[01:56] <putz_kinhu> didid accept pics
[01:56] <BlueEagle> putz_kinhu: didid?
[01:56] <putz_kinhu> did not
[01:56] <putz_kinhu> ^^
[01:56] <BlueEagle> ahh
[01:56] <mik3> haha
[01:56] <BlueEagle> I was about to try /whois didid
[01:56] <putz_kinhu> ^^
[01:56] <BlueEagle> :o
[01:57] <putz_kinhu> =p
[01:57] <djm62> net_benjo: " You can frequently find people on IRC channel #ipw2100 on  irc.freenode.org"
[01:57] <mkyb14> ok i enabled it but i don't know what i'm supposed to do now??
[01:57] <djm62> net_benjo: just checked the sf.net website for the ipw2200 driver
[01:58] <djm62> net_benjo: that room's probably full of people who know what your problem is
[01:58] <net_benjo> sorry which room....#ipw2100??
[01:58] <putz_kinhu> BlueEagle, wich msn client do u use?
[01:58] <[t0rc] > whats the line to reconfigure xorg? i forgot...
[01:58] <mkyb14> ok i enabled it but i don't know what i'm supposed to do now??
[01:59] <djm62> net_benjo: yeah, 2100 not 2200
[01:59] <djm62> net_benjo: it said on ipw2200.sf.net to go there
[01:59] <LazloFruvous> i just installed nvidia-glx, and restarted my xserver with "nvidia" instead of "nv" -- now my screen is all dim (like as if it had somehow gotten the backlight turned down to about 10% normal brightness) -- anyone have any ideas?
[01:59] <BlueEagle> putz_kinhu: I don't use msn.
[01:59] <nathan__> Hi. I want an advice. I'm wanting to buy a HP Notebook and install Linux in it. Will I have some compatibility problem?
[01:59] <LazloFruvous> when i revert to "nv" it works fine, but obviously no hardware accel
[01:59] <mkyb14> ha i jsut did that nvidia install, works!
[02:00] <nalioth> nathan__: some HP notebooks/desktops come with linux preinstalled
[02:00] <net_benjo> cool thanks again buddy
[02:00] <djm62> nathan__: my nx9020 worked out of the box
[02:00] <cafuego_> nathan__: Depends on the laptop. mine works fine, provided I tweak the pcmcia config file (other wise it locks up on boot). Check www.linux-laptops.net
[02:00] <mkyb14> ok i enabled it but i don't know what i'm supposed to do now??  BLUEEAGLE:
[02:00] <djm62> do not some hp notebooks come with ubuntu preinstalled?
[02:01] <BlueEagle> mkyb14: You enabled the repository?
[02:01] <mkyb14> yes
[02:01] <nathan__> Great! Thanks everybody
[02:01] <BlueEagle> mkyb14: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install bluefish
[02:02] <mkyb14> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[02:02] <BlueEagle> mkyb14: close synaptic first
[02:02] <mkyb14> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[02:02] <cvt> ok
[02:02] <cvt> hi
[02:02] <cvt> thx
[02:02] <nalioth> mkyb14: you can only run one instance of apt at a time
[02:02] <nalioth> mkyb14: close all your synaptic windows
[02:02] <BlueEagle> mkyb14: or use synaptic to update the repositories and search for and install bluefish from there.
[02:02] <mkyb14> ok it's downloading ... so essentially what did i just do by enableing the repos
[02:03] <BlueEagle> mkyb14: You added a library of programs that were previously unavailible to you.
[02:04] <BlueEagle> mkyb14: I think that was described in the url ubotu handed you
[02:04] <Madeye> BlueEagle, actually bluefish is not a stable application, I would recommend Nvu over it, and maybe quanta
[02:04] <BlueEagle> madeye: I never recomended it. I just told him how to install it.
[02:04] <nalioth> Madeye: not stable?
[02:04] <mkyb14> so what's the best editor comprable to dreamweaver
[02:04] <nalioth> Madeye: not wysiwyg, you mean?
[02:04] <mkyb14> for linux
[02:04] <Madeye> nalioth, no I mean not stable.
[02:04] <BlueEagle> madeye: I think bluefish is pure horesedroppings, but that doesn't keep me from helping other people test it.
[02:05] <sdali> I want to install a C and/or C++ compiler (gcc, g++) to do some programming (school stuff) but I'm not sure which version I should install. I want to install a version that will be useful if I decide to build/install some apps from scratch that aren't available in any of the repositories. Any advice?
[02:05] <nalioth> Madeye: hmph. i've never had any trouble with it
[02:05] <nalioth> sdali: install "build-essential" and have fun
[02:05] <sdali> I'll check that out. Thanks.
[02:05] <BlueEagle> mkyb14: asking personal opinion or a feature per feature comparison?
[02:05] <Madeye> nalioth,  run it, ctrl F , write a word in search box, hit enter three times (HIT enter)
[02:05] <kwilcox> Does anyone know of any documentation of getting 3D acceleration to work on a SiS card
[02:06] <mkyb14> just a good html editor for webdesign, php etc
[02:06] <mkyb14> i use dreamweaver on my windows machine
[02:06] <nalioth> mkyb14: then use nvu, it's the closest thing
[02:06] <Madeye> mkyb14,  there is nothing like dreamweaver under linux
[02:06] <BlueEagle> mkyb14: quanta is the one I use in linux. It uses QT, and might bring an extra overhead in gnome (vs. in kde where this overhead already exists)
[02:06] <mkyb14> so ... sudo apt-get install nvu
[02:06] <mkyb14> ?
[02:06] <Madeye> nalioth, it's not even close, Dreamweaver is huge!
[02:06] <occy> If I follow these instructions:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SetupNdiswrapperHowto   And I upgrade my kernel when I go to Breezy next month.... will it all just work?
[02:07] <Bicchi> Can anyone explain all menu options of grub during bootup. Like one says generic the other (recovery mode)
[02:07] <Madeye> nalioth, however I prefer gedit for such work
[02:07] <mkyb14> i got over trying to use a ndiswrapper and just bought a WET54G
[02:07] <DaMi3n> nalioth, no replies yet
[02:07] <mkyb14> linksys
[02:07] <nalioth> Madeye: i used to use arachnophilia back in the way back
[02:07] <occy> mkyb14, yeah?
[02:07] <mkyb14> yea, so easyt
[02:07] <mkyb14> i haded the ndiswrapper
[02:07] <nalioth> DaMi3n: ask you question. wait a few minutes. ask your question again
[02:07] <occy> mkyb14, this thing was on sale for $29bucks.
[02:07] <occy> heh
[02:07] <mkyb14> but you have to be willing to shell out 140 on newegg with shipping
[02:08] <mkyb14> but all my other computers connect through it with a hub
[02:08] <kwilcox> Does anyone know of any documentation of getting 3D acceleration to work on a SiS card?
[02:08] <mkyb14> not i
[02:08] <occy> :(
[02:08] <occy> mkyb14, it seems very "loose" in the USB slot too
[02:08] <occy> it doesn't fit snuggly.
[02:08] <delire> mkyb14: my gf enjoys quanta for web development very much.
[02:09] <occy> heh, I use vim for doing CSS :)
[02:09] <occy> it rox
[02:09] <mkyb14> i just plug in the linux box and this windows one i'm on right now to the WET54G and it just thinks it's plugged into good o'l ethernet
[02:09] <will__> Whats up?
[02:09] <mkyb14> no ndiswrapper bs etc ... works like a charm
[02:09] <occy> :/
[02:09] <djm62> vim is a bit heavy for me...cat and sed
[02:10] <occy> I should have gotten the pcmcia card
[02:10] <occy> djm62, hehe
[02:10] <BlueEagle> nalioth: What is the package name (and repository) for nvu?
[02:10] <cafuego_> Just keep in mind ndiswrapper is an abomination and if you have the choice of REAL hardware, use that instead.
[02:10] <mkyb14> oh laptop ... google various ones... they have more support
[02:10] <kwilcox> BlueEagle: I suggest quanta
[02:10] <Madeye> nalioth,  actually I prefer to use any simple text editor, the only thing I need is text highlighting, but you know, sometimes something like dreamweaver is needed, I consider myself XHTML geek, and today I had to design a newsletter, they sent me a PSD file, and I had to make everything identical in pixels, 6 hours and it's not done, maybe if I were using dreamweaver i would be able to finish it in 30 minutes
[02:10] <occy> :/
[02:10] <BlueEagle> kwilcox: I suggest you follow the conversation. :)
[02:10] <occy> ok...
[02:10] <occy> so this is a lose it seems.
[02:10] <mkyb14> i was trying to get a linksys 54g card in my tower to work, and i gave up after loosing my hair at 21 to figureing that out
[02:10] <djm62> Madeye: have you tried py-slice?
[02:11] <cafuego_> Madeye: html newsletters in email? Why didn't you tell the client they're idots? I would ;-)
[02:11] <Madeye> djm62, never heard of it
[02:11] <apokryphos> Madeye: gedit does highlighting, doesn't it?
[02:11] <nalioth> Madeye: i like syntax highlighting text things for my web/doc work
[02:11] <Madeye> cafuego,  you cant tell someone paying $$$ you are an idiot :p
[02:11] <Madeye> apokryphos,  yeah, and I love it
[02:11] <DaMi3n> i have a problem with running java applets in ubuntu. when evr i run an applet it crashes with the message Problematic frame: # C  [libfontmanager.so+0x34ada] . is there a solution to this?
[02:11] <cafuego_> Madeye: In my experience you can, provided you explain why in clear terms.
[02:11] <BlueEagle> kwilcox: [log entry]  mkyb14: quanta is the one I use in linux. It uses QT, and might bring an extra overhead in gnome (vs. in kde where this overhead already exists)
[02:11] <delire> djm62: cat and sed are a bit heavy for me also. i just use pipes and /proc.
[02:12] <mkyb14> quanta works just fine, :)
[02:12] <Madeye> cafuego,  go ahead please, explain how I can do that without getting fired!
[02:12] <djm62> Madeye: gimp plug-in, take a template image, slice it into an html table, is the idea.  I'm going to give it a shot
[02:12] <Madeye> mkyb14, yeah quanta is fine, but I hate QT smell
[02:12] <mkyb14> so if i wanted to remove bluefish ... # sudo apt-remove bluefish?
[02:13] <mkyb14> qt?
[02:13] <Madeye> djm62, does gimp have such thing?
[02:13] <cafuego_> Madeye: Tell them at least half their target audience 1) Cannot view HTML email at all or 2) Is so paranoid about viruses that HTML email gets trashed before they even see it.
[02:13] <BlueEagle> mkyb14: apt-get remove bluefish
[02:13] <mkyb14> ah
[02:13] <djm62> Madeye: I have just read an article on it in a reasonably reliable magazine
[02:13] <BlueEagle> mkyb14: with sudo, ofcourse.
[02:13] <cafuego_> Madeye: That doesn't yet incldue people who CAN see html email, but have images turned off, so it'll look like crap anyway.
[02:14] <djm62> Madeye: I can't recommend it personally, and was kind of hoping you could ;)
[02:14] <Madeye> cafuego,  they send two versions, plain text and html, and their reader can choose
[02:14] <cafuego_> Madeye: When I explain that, the client normally thinks text email is a a great idea.
[02:14] <Madeye> djm62, heh
[02:14] <sdali> nalioth: That was the ticket. Thanks again.
[02:14] <cafuego_> Madeye: That's assuming the read knows how <heh>
[02:14] <cafuego_> reader
[02:14] <kwilcox> BlueEagle: did you find the repository
[02:15] <Madeye> cafuego,  my company deal with well educated people, unfortunatly we cannot lie
[02:15] <nalioth> sdali: np, anytime
[02:15] <mkyb14> in ubuntu i've noticed that there is no trashcan ... so when i take files and say move to trash.... are they deleted or do i have to sudo a command
[02:15] <BlueEagle> kwilcox: which repository? For nvu?
[02:15] <Bicchi> Can anyone explain all menu options of grub during bootup. Like one says generic the other says (recovery mode) ?
[02:15] <Madeye> loll
[02:15] <BlueEagle> !tell kwilcox about nvu
[02:15] <cafuego_> Madeye: Nothing to do with lying and everything with understanding the customer's customer.
[02:15] <DaMi3n> i have a problem with running java applets in ubuntu. when evr i run an applet it crashes with the message Problematic frame: # C  [libfontmanager.so+0x34ada] . is there a solution to this?
[02:15] <geekchic9> mkyb14, there is a trashcan in the lower right-hand corner of the screen. It's blue.
[02:16] <mkyb14> thus....you gentlemen are gods :)
[02:16] <Madeye> cafuego,  well, I've managed to send CSS/XHTML based newsletter before, with and without images, but this layout was damn hard, a lot of rounded corners and curves
[02:16] <geekchic9> I prefer the term lady, but your thanks is accepted, mkyb14.
[02:16] <BlueEagle> kwilcox: nalioth had ubotu tell me about it. :)
[02:17] <mkyb14> ehy you could be the hottest chick that knows linux that i'll ever know!  hows that?
[02:17] <geekchic9> mkyb14: I'm flattered. Unfortunately, if you are looking for a girlfriend, I'm taken.
[02:17] <reiki> heheh
[02:17] <cafuego_> Madeye: Yeah, and for probably no gain whatsoever, that's my point.
[02:18] <mkyb14> hahaha, no no honey bun.  i was just being nice/considerate for your help
[02:18] <geekchic9> mkyb14. You're welcome. But don't call me honey bun. :)
[02:18] <Madeye> cafuego,  but you know what, CSS/xhtml but image free are elegant and easy to manage
[02:18] <mkyb14> though if you feel like stalking me mypsace>mkyb14
[02:18] <cafuego_> Madeye: Does the client want to spend $500 to reach ALL of their customers or $2000 to reach 25%. normally it's an easy choice.
[02:19] <BlueEagle> geekchic9: aww.. Who's the lucky bastard? :p
[02:19] <Madeye> cafuego, I understand you, but the thing is, i'm not a decision maker, and on the other hand the cheapest contract we got was about 25.000$
[02:19] <geekchic9> BlueEagle: His name is Matt and he's studying for a math Ph.D.
[02:19] <Madeye> cafuego,  in others words, the manager canNOT say no
[02:20] <cafuego_> Madeye: Of course the manager can.
[02:20] <Madeye> cafuego,  I wish
[02:20] <cafuego_> Madeye: He may not _want_ to, but that's another issue
[02:20] <mkyb14> ew math, your breaking my heart
[02:21] <Madeye> cafuego, not all people takes their work as religion, sometimes we have to compromise
[02:21] <mkyb14> ;) Morgan Landry
[02:21] <geekchic9> mkyb14: math and CS are closely related in some areas.
[02:21] <reiki> my work IS religion! hehehe.... I'm clergy! :)
[02:21] <mkyb14> cs?
[02:22] <cafuego_> Madeye: Not all people have the dollar as religion either. if you can't tell a client about alternatives because they pay you  alot, that's the case I reckon.
[02:22] <delire> computer science mkyb14
[02:22] <jims> Can anyone help me with an 'interfaces' issue?  I am new to Linux and Ubuntu.  I loaded it on my laptop, and configured my wireless card & WEP key.  However, after a few minutes, the connection halts & DNS stops working.
[02:22] <mkyb14> yea, cs wasn't fun.  management information systems is better for me
[02:22] <Blissex> jims: if you are using 'ndiswrapper' thats not unusual.
[02:22] <Madeye> reiki,  lol
[02:22] <BlueEagle> nalioth: Thankyou for showing me nvu. :)
[02:22] <delire> jims: hmm you may want to stop it 'auto associating'. man iwconfig, there's an option in there.
[02:22] <nalioth> jims: which ubuntu are you using?
[02:23] <nalioth> BlueEagle: np, anytime
[02:23] <reiki> Madeye, :) .... not kidding actually... I'm working on a wedding ceremony I'm doing in August right now... heheh
[02:23] <mkyb14> so nvm is better than quanta?
[02:23] <BlueEagle> nalioth: I've been looking for something that handles ftp-sites like html-kit does for ages, and oops! There it is!
[02:23] <Madeye> cafuego,  they are aware of the alternative, and they already use it, but they want to offer their readers more options.
[02:23] <jims> How do I know if I am using madwifi or ndiswrapper?
[02:23] <reiki> in August? ... make that "in October"
[02:23] <DaMi3n> i have a problem with running java applets in ubuntu. when evr i run an applet it crashes with the message Problematic frame: # C  [libfontmanager.so+0x34ada] . is there a solution to this?
[02:23] <nalioth> BlueEagle: yes, nvu does have some nice features
[02:23] <BlueEagle> ..now I just need to get it docked on the right side of the editor window :p
[02:23] <Madeye> reiki,  you can kiss the BITCH now
[02:23] <Madeye> heh
[02:24] <jims> I got the UBUNTU CD last week...
[02:24] <reiki> Madeye, I can do that... I do alternative weddings :)
[02:24] <kevogod> I got them 4-5 months ago.
[02:25] <nalioth> DaMi3n: have you tried www.ubuntuforums.com and/or the mailing lists?
[02:25] <Madeye> jims, lucky you, I got 50CD last month and they costumes dep labeled it as *EXPENSIVE PRODUCT* and they wanted me to pay 250$ but i refused, and asked them to take it/trash it/ or send it back
[02:25] <Madeye> and they send it back
[02:25] <furic> After upgrading in apt, all of my kde applications aren't putting their system tray icons in the gnome-panel notification panel on hoary, they put them in a little seperate window, any way to fix?
[02:26] <funkyHat> can anyone help me with X11 Forwarding? i get a Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display:
[02:26] <mkyb14> is there a sudo phpinstaller that will auto config apache too??  like php-apache?
[02:26] <DaMi3n> nalioth, yes
[02:26] <reiki> BlueEagle, does the app you're using handle CSS properly? I'd give my eye teeth for an editor that knew more about CSS positioning than me :)
[02:26] <delire> funkyHat: you have the option for X forwarding set to true in the relevant config?
[02:26] <DaMi3n> nalioth, i tried ubuntuforums but cant find a solution
[02:26] <jims> Is there a procedure or forum that will tell me how to use something other than ndiswrappers?
[02:27] <DaMi3n> nalioth, though many people have faced the problem
[02:27] <nalioth> funkyHat: have you read the google-found howtos on "x forwarding"?
[02:27] <BlueEagle> reiki: Well, it doesn't appear to highlight PHP properly. :/
[02:27] <funkyHat> that's what i'm doing, and following it doesn't seem to be working
[02:27] <mkyb14> is there a sudo phpinstaller that will auto config apache too??  like php-apache?
[02:27] <jcarr_> hey
[02:28] <reiki> BlueEagle, is that Quanta?
[02:28] <jcarr_> what package creates a my computer type link with the devices?
[02:28] <delire> jims: ndiswrapper can be a truly annoying pest.. there are few alternatives sadly for that 'hardware'.
[02:28] <jcarr_> on debian an apt-get upgrade did it in kde and gnome
[02:28] <funkyHat> delire, i haven't set any options, the tutorial i was reading didn't mention that :$
[02:28] <AdmiralSenn> hohoho - http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/Official_nVidia
[02:28] <jcarr_> it just says computer, and has a floppy, hard drive, and cd drive devices listed
[02:29] <jims> delire: Aren't there any drivers for a Netgear WiFi card?
[02:29] <BlueEagle> reiki: No, nvu. Quanta has got excellenet syntax highlighting.
[02:29] <delire> funkyHat: see /etc/ssh/ssh_config. look at the line "#   ForwardX11 no". you are better however working with a local '~/' config. like ~/.ssh/config
[02:29] <funkyHat> thanks :)
[02:29] <funkyHat> i'll have a read of the ssh man page too ;)
[02:30] <delire> funkyHat: that's the spirit!
[02:30] <jcarr_> is there some package that does that?
[02:30] <reiki> BlueEagle, I have Bluefish installed but haven't really had time to mess with it. My sites are all database driven now so once I make a template and style sheet, I don't really have to design pages any more. I go into an administrative backend, add content, and poof it's all formatted
[02:30] <delire> jims: it's not a good choice of card for Linux, many other are however and work very well. see the ubuntu forums..
[02:31] <michael> hi channel
[02:31] <reiki> BlueEagle, but I'd LOVE an app that simply helps me make the templates faster
[02:31] <jcarr_> hello room
[02:31] <funkyHat> delire, which machine does the ForwardX11 variable have to be set? the man page isn't very clear on that
[02:31] <nalioth> funkyHat: read the simple howtos google will point you to for "x forwarding"
[02:32] <BlueEagle> reiki: Well, I coded my backend system and editor myself. The design is, however, hardwired.
[02:32] <delire> funkyHat: the host
[02:32] <delire> funkyHat: eg the machine you are connecting *to*
[02:32] <funkyHat> thanks :)
[02:32] <delire> np
[02:32] <cvt> can't dl attachments from emails in firefox
[02:32] <cvt> error message: malformed address
[02:32] <BlueEagle> reiki: Attempting to install quanta now, as linspire is KDE-based and nvu might be utilizing those libs for highlighting php. (I can hope, atleast)
[02:33] <reiki> hehe
[02:34] <Bicchi> i just want to know the difference between: "Ubuntu, kernel 2.6.10-5-amd64-generic Default"   and    "Ubuntu, kernel 2.6.10-5-amd64-generic" in the grub bootloader?
[02:34] <delire> cvt: strange..
[02:34] <delire> Bicchi: these are both in the line marked 'Label'?
[02:35] <Bicchi> delire: no inside the file menu.lst   title
[02:35] <Bicchi> delire: they are actually bootup options
[02:35] <delire> Bicchi: ah yes, i meant title (sorry from my Lilo days).
[02:36] <cevizoglu> why does my backspace key behave like my delete key in zsh, instead of behaving normally?  how would I fix this?
[02:36] <BlueEagle> Well, it's 1.0 software, so perhaps when it gets more mature it will make me switch. Atleast it's something to keep my eyes on. :)
[02:36] <BlueEagle> ..but now... it's night.
[02:37] <HrdwrBoB> cevizoglu: http://mundy.yazzy.org/unix/zsh.php
[02:37] <delire> Bicchi: they are not boot options, they are simply strings to be passed to the screen for you to make a visible distinction between kernels you are booting as listed in the link 'kernel [...] ' below.
[02:37] <delire> s/link/line
[02:37] <Bicchi> delire: yes but whats the difference between each one
[02:37] <delire> Bicchi: very little ;)
[02:37] <Bicchi> delire: for example ?
[02:38] <delire> Bicchi: are the entries for 'kernel' and 'root' underneath the same?
[02:38] <cvt> error message dl'ing attachments: xml parsing error: not well-formed Location: chrome://mozapps/content/downloads/unkowncontenttype.xul Line number 1, column2:
[02:38] <cvt> help with downloading in firefox?
[02:38] <cvt> how can i dl legit attachments from my email??
[02:38] <Bicchi> delire: no each has a different set of parameters
[02:38] <ripgut> where can i go to post errors?
[02:39] <furic> kopete is suddenly refusing to connect after i upgraded everything in hoary (gnome) last night, its also putting its system tray icon in a little window instead of the notification area of gnome-panel now, but that seems to be affecting all kde apps. any known fix's?
[02:39] <delire> Bicchi: right, but you do have two blocks of lines i can assume, one with each of the titles you wrote above.
[02:39] <reiki> has anyone found how to get Thunderbird reading mail from /var/mail ?
[02:39] <Bicchi> delire: yes
[02:39] <delire> Bicchi: which one do you use when you boot up?
[02:40] <mkyb14> OK, anyone know of a program that sits in the task bar and tells the CPU and RAM clocks............... not grkrellum
[02:40] <ripgut> can someone pm me
[02:40] <ripgut> please
[02:40] <Bicchi> delire: Ubuntu, kernel 2.6.10-5-amd64-generic Default
[02:40] <delire> Bicchi: then you can safely comment out the entire other block. i don't know how it ended up there.
[02:40] <nalioth> mkyb14: not a task bar proggy, but conky.sourceforge.net or #conky
[02:40] <cafuego_> mkyb: The gnome applet; Frequence Scaling Monitor. Doesn't mention ram speed though,a s that never changes.
[02:41] <delire> Bicchi: you also have a block for a kernel 2.6.8? or 2.4.27?
[02:41] <Bicchi> delire: its been like that since i installed kubuntu
[02:41] <mkyb14> no ram speed persay but amount used etc
[02:41] <Bicchi> delire: nope
[02:41] <Xorlev> What's a good BitTorrent client for Linux, preferably native, not java. Azureus makes Xorg leak memory on my system and eventually all of my memory and swap are used, even once Azureus crashes.
[02:41] <nalioth> Xorlev: bittornado, or bittorrent
[02:41] <delire> Bicchi: strange.. well if you like, just change the titles themselves and leave the rest. one probably offers some sort of fallback safe acpi boot.
[02:41] <cafuego_> mkyb14: Right click on the panel, click Add to panel ... scroll to find what you need.
[02:42] <vanberge> any ideas of what to do if my rythmbox all the sudden doesnt play mp3's
[02:42] <zorba64> Xorlev: gnome bittorrent client?
[02:42] <bimberi> mkyb14: there is also a System Monitor applet which can be configured to show RAM usage
[02:42] <kwilcox> BlueEagle: Any luck with the php and nvu? I cannot get it to open a php file
[02:42] <ripgut> ok, can anyone help?
[02:43] <Bicchi> delire: i guess, its just that everytime i upgrade the menu goes back to having 6 options anyways. so i just deside never to change it
[02:43] <kwilcox> ripgut: i did pm you
[02:43] <nalioth> ripgut: ask in channel
[02:43] <bimberi> ubotu tell ripgut about pastebin
[02:43] <ripgut> i need to know what this error means
[02:43] <zorba64> !pastebin
[02:43] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, pastebin is a site where you can post large texts and screenshots so you don't flood the channel. You can find it at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl
[02:44] <mkyb14> yea like that system monitor but for ram......
[02:44] <meko_> i cant install wine in my ubuntu my synamptic gives me an error failed to fetch http://wine.sourceforge.net/apt/
[02:44] <mkyb14> like 505/786
[02:44] <delire> Bicchi: it is strange and you are rightly asking why this occurs. i would post about it in the forums. it's a good thing to address. one shouldn't have so many near duplicate kernel entries and not know why they are there.
[02:44] <meko_> what should i do ?
[02:44] <LootBeer> i cannot get my ipaq to be detected... by activesync.. pls help!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[02:44] <Bicchi> delire: do you also have so many boot options?
[02:45] <Bicchi> delire: entries i mean
[02:45] <bimberi> mkyb14: Right Click on the applet, select preferences, unselect Processor, select Memory
[02:45] <delire> Bicchi: i'm on debian here to be honest, but on my Ubuntu machine at work i have very few.
[02:45] <BlueEagle> kwilcox: I get it to open the .php file, but it doesn't highlight it, and it appears to add <html><head><title.. at the top of the file if it's not already there. :(
[02:45] <delire> Bicchi: eg 2
[02:45] <kwilcox> BlueEagle: Yeah, that is how far I have gotten.  Not real impressed with the app so far
[02:45] <mkyb14> oh i was looking for something numerical not colors
[02:45] <Bicchi> did you modify your menu.lst file or it just comes like that from the distro
[02:45] <delire> Bicchi: laptops tend to have more boot options themselves, and perhaps entries in some circumstances, i cannot say.
[02:46] <BlueEagle> kwilcox: Not me either. Still it's a 1.0 version, and it looks like it has got potential.
[02:46] <delire> Bicchi: it's a tower machine and came with three menu.lst entries if i recall correctly.
[02:46] <kwilcox> BlueEagle: If Quanta didn't show up so funny in Gnome i would use that for default
[02:46] <bimberi> mkyb14: ah, k - don't know sorry
[02:46] <mkyb14> cool whell thanks for the info though
[02:46] <Bicchi> deliver: so we are back to square one. not sure why so many entries
[02:46] <delire> kwilcox: i agree it needs better gnome integration. post that on the quanta forums.
[02:46] <bimberi> mkyb14: yw :)
[02:47] <mkyb14> ubuntu i'm liking way way wayyyy more than fedora, pos
[02:47] <kwilcox> BlueEagle: Don't want to stare at size 20 font on my menu bars heh
[02:47] <superpollo> Hola gente
[02:47] <delire> Bicchi: well your original question was the difference between two grub title entries ;)
[02:47] <rigel> i dislike gnome
[02:47] <bur[n] er> rigel: use xfce ;)
[02:47] <rigel> and kubuntu is treated like a redheaded stepchild
[02:47] <rigel> the default gui package manager doesnt even let you add sources
[02:47] <kevogod> redheaded? Don't you mean rented?
[02:48] <rigel> no, idiom
[02:48] <rigel> i meant what i said
[02:48] <Bicchi> delire: yeah but now its also about why so many options when i just dual boot
[02:48] <mkyb14> if i'm getting a permissions denied when i add'd a wordpress theme... does tha mean that i have to change the chmod # of the /var/www/wordpress folder and all -R files?
[02:48] <delire> Bicchi: you can fairly safely remove duplicates. just ensure you do not remove the working menu block with. i don't know why they are re-entered in an upgrade.
[02:48] <Bicchi> delire: :-) lets see what happens during breezy
[02:48] <rigel> i cant get a straight answer from the vorbis people
[02:48] <djm62> kwilcox: if you can run kcontrol you can give qt apps a more humane look
[02:49] <rigel> does anyone know of an ncurses or commandline mp3 player that also does flac?
[02:49] <delire> Bicchi: yes, that's a good way of looking at it ;)
[02:49] <mkyb14> Warning: main(/var/www/wordpress/wp-content/themes/ffussed/index.php): failed to open stream: Permission denied in /var/www/wordpress/wp-blog-header.php on line 221
[02:49] <djm62> skype was bugging the hell out of me until I did that
[02:49] <bur[n] er> does cplay do flac?  i forget
[02:49] <rigel> cplay?
[02:49] <delire> rigel: hmm pytone may do flac now.
[02:49] <rigel> pytone?
[02:49] <rigel> how resource intensive is it?
[02:49] <rigel> im running this shit off a p3-450
[02:49] <rigel> so if theres a lot of python overhead....
[02:50] <delire> rigel: it is when first building the db. after that it is excellent. the players it uses are libmad,xmms,mpg321/123
[02:50] <rigel> wait, what?
[02:50] <rigel> i just want a media player
[02:50] <rigel> that does mp3 and flac
[02:50] <rigel> because xmms-flac breaks xmms at the moment
[02:51] <rigel> well, that and i cant use xmms on the commandline
[02:51] <bur[n] er> rigel: bmp?
[02:51] <bur[n] er> cplay != python based... cplay == curses
[02:51] <rigel> burner, beep? yeah, thats what i have installed now, but thats gui-only innit?
[02:51] <bur[n] er> it is
[02:52] <bur[n] er> you said xmms though
[02:52] <rigel> yeah
[02:52] <rigel> well, xmms has assloads of plugins
[02:52] <bur[n] er> and most work with bmp
[02:52] <rigel> so when i do (rarely) use the gui, i default to xmms
[02:53] <bur[n] er> to each their own, I use beep
[02:53] <rigel> but i want to be able to play flac's from the commandline
[02:53] <delire> rigel: pytone is a jukebox with playlist support.
[02:53] <nalioth> rigel: cplay
[02:53] <rigel> hmm
[02:53] <bur[n] er> i said that :)
[02:53] <delire> rigel: apt-cache search flac player
[02:53] <rigel> i installed beep while i was at work
[02:53] <bur[n] er> does mpd/mpc do flac?
[02:53] <rigel> im gonna check it out
[02:53] <bur[n] er> flac blows ;)
[02:53] <shinu> is it better to compile eggdrop or apt-get it?
[02:53] <bur[n] er> long live shn!
[02:54] <johnnybezak> its better to apt-get everything
[02:54] <johnnybezak> unless you need the latest and greatest
[02:54] <shinu> well
[02:54] <johnnybezak> (not to mention less of a pain in the arse)
[02:55] <shinu> i dont know where to get the modules for eggdrop then...
[02:55] <shinu> i think normally it would just compile them...
[02:55] <nalioth> shinu: either way is fine
[02:55] <joy>  i have a problem how to use webcam in gaim internet explorer there was no wedcam buttom so how can find them plz help
[02:55] <nalioth> shinu: but the more things you put in your system NOT using the repos, the more your upgrades can be hosed
[02:56] <rigel> shit
[02:56] <rigel> how do i start bmp
[02:56] <mik3> applications - sound and video
[02:57] <rigel> oh, i just didnt see it under multimedia
[02:57] <rigel> my bad
[02:57] <shinu> nalioth: i see
[02:58] <rigel> is there a plugin i need for bmp to play flac's?
[02:59] <nalioth> rigel: use synaptic and search for "flac"
[03:00] <rigel> i already have flac libs installed
[03:01] <Ether7> how can I safely re-install windows if ubuntu is located on the first section of the drive? (free fat32 part for win on the second part of the drive)
[03:01] <michael> sigh- i'e researched in forums, but i'm still having sudo problems- any ideas?
[03:02] <Orunitia> a friend's ntfs drive just showed up as corrupt and unusable. Would he be able to do anything with the files on that harddrive with an ubuntu live cd?
[03:02] <Ether7> (without harming my ubuntu partition)
[03:03] <rigel> yeah, so the appropriate flac libraries are installed, but bmp isnt recognizing them as playable
[03:03] <misterdiff> alright, not to start yet another microsoft bash but have any of you seen the screenies for vistas
[03:03] <misterdiff> *vista
[03:03] <nalioth> Orunitia: if he has networking and/or an extra cd burning drive, he might recover some data
[03:04] <rigel> or an extra drive
[03:04] <nalioth> misterdiff: you are welcome to start any bash you like in #ubuntu-offtopic
[03:04] <Orunitia> would he be able to move data between ntfs drives?
[03:04] <NoUse> Ether7 windows will always wipe out the mbr, but you can fix that by re running grub, if you just tell Windows install to use the second partition you should be ok
[03:04] <nalioth> Orunitia: not with the livecd
[03:04] <rigel> oru: no, no writing on ntfs
[03:04] <rigel> if you wanted to reformat as fat32
[03:04] <nalioth> Orunitia: you might also look at "bart pe builder" on google
[03:05] <djm62> Orunitia: but you could back it up onto CD/DVD
[03:05] <Orunitia> not 160gb
[03:05] <nalioth> Orunitia: network?
[03:05] <rigel> thats less than a 50 pack of dvdr's
[03:05] <Orunitia> well his computer just got messed up and a bunch of stuff died
[03:05] <rigel> if you got an 8x or 16x burner 160gbs is doable
[03:05] <Orunitia> thanks for the suggestions though
[03:06] <djm62> Orunitia: also, you only need to back up data...not applications or OS
[03:06] <Ether7> nouse: okay, but the windows wont install for some reason unless it gets at the beginning of the drive?
[03:06] <Orunitia> yeah he has 160gb in files he needs to backup
[03:06] <djm62> 0.0
[03:06] <mik3> what's that program that will take an image and output it into a bunch of text
[03:06] <rigel> so can anyone help me with this bmp-flac issue?
[03:06] <Orunitia> yeah haha
[03:06] <nalioth> Orunitia: hope he's got a network and another box
[03:06] <djm62> and a couple of days
[03:07] <Orunitia> would he be able to format it as fat32 without losing files?
[03:07] <rigel> no
[03:07] <rigel> the fat32 format thing would be if you had a spare drive
[03:07] <nalioth> Orunitia: only using Partition Magic
[03:07] <rigel> since you cant write to ntfs
[03:07] <NoUse> Ether7 hmm you might have to move the partition
[03:07] <delire> Orunitia: perhaps get this person online here.
[03:08] <Ether7> nouse: can do if it wont harm my ubuntu
[03:08] <Orunitia> okay he has spare drives he can format
[03:08] <Orunitia> thanks
[03:08] <meko__> how do i install wine?
[03:08] <jtan325> anyone here use breezy? my mouse "lags" occassionally...
[03:08] <djm62> !wine
[03:08] <Ether7> nouse: what tool would be best?
[03:08] <NoUse> gparted or partition magic should be able to do that, but I've never do it before
[03:09] <nalioth> NoUse: Partition magic is the only program known to convert filesystems w/o destruction
[03:09] <buddy> are there anysites that have tutorials or anything to linux/ubuntu networking
[03:09] <nalioth> buddy: wiki.ubuntu.com
[03:10] <IceDragon> Hye
[03:10] <IceDragon> *hey
[03:10] <michael> hi
[03:10] <NoUse> nalioth not convert, move
[03:10] <fujie> hello
[03:10] <IceDragon> I'm trying to get a SoundBlaster audigy driver
[03:10] <nalioth> NoUse: it'd get sticky
[03:11] <IceDragon> wanted to get it running,  the device manager recognizes my soundcard
[03:11] <meko__> !help
[03:11] <michael> have you set the multimedia to alsa?
[03:11] <IceDragon> but no sound
[03:11] <IceDragon> <-- utter n00b
[03:11] <zblach> anyone here use flashgot?
[03:11] <IceDragon> just installed ubuntu 3 days ago
[03:11] <NoUse> Ether7 so use partition magic
[03:11] <michael> ok- we all are :)
[03:11] <zblach> IceDragon, go to a console, type alsamixer
[03:11] <zblach> browse across
[03:11] <IceDragon> ok
[03:11] <IceDragon> hold on
[03:12] <IceDragon> nice
[03:12] <michael> wait for it
[03:12] <IceDragon> yep
[03:12] <IceDragon> shows my soundcard name at the top
[03:12] <zblach> yup
[03:12] <IceDragon> couple of bars
[03:12] <zblach> now, scroll across
[03:12] <zblach> you should see groups of 'MM'
[03:12] <Versed> how hard would it be to install the kde from kubuntu onto ubuntu?
[03:12] <zblach> in little boxe
[03:12] <zblach> s
[03:12] <Versed> just grab kde?
[03:12] <IceDragon> yep
[03:12] <benkong2> anybody know how to turn synclient on for synaptics touchpad?  synclient -h gives me the error "Can't access shared memory area. SHMConfig disabled?"
[03:12] <IceDragon> 2 little boxes
[03:12] <zblach> at everyone of those boxes, hit 'M'
[03:12] <zblach> to un-mute
[03:13] <zblach> scroll all the way left, unmuting every box
[03:13] <IceDragon> I dont think it'll let me edit anything
[03:13] <zblach> did you sudo alsamixer?
[03:13] <IceDragon> yes
[03:13] <mkyb14> if ubuntu freezes when loading gaim ... how do i kill it
[03:13] <IceDragon> went into the terminal and typed " alsamixer " and this popped up
[03:14] <chavo> mkyb14, pull the power cord
[03:14] <zblach> you're in the right thing
[03:14] <mkyb14> lol no
[03:14] <chavo> :)
[03:14] <mkyb14> is there a command to kill the process
[03:14] <pestilence> anybody here use dual-head displays on their laptop?
[03:14] <chavo> mkyb14, you can try xkill
[03:14] <IceDragon> brb
[03:14] <NoUse> mkyb14 killall gaim
[03:14] <chavo> or kill from a console
[03:14] <michael> mkyb14- have you tried console login, the apt-get remove gaim?
[03:14] <Riddell> Versed: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[03:15] <Versed> thanks riddell.
[03:15] <mkyb14> i don't want to remove it just kill the process... i'm ssh'd into thebox
[03:15] <zblach> IceDragon, you un mute everything yet?
[03:15] <NoUse> mkyb14 yeah you want killall
[03:15] <mkyb14> so #killall gaim
[03:15] <jtan325> anyone here use breezy and found that they couldn't play some video formats after upgrading?
[03:15] <zblach> IceDragon, actually, you only have to unmute 'Audigy Analog/Digital Output Jack"
[03:16] <michael> he brb'd zblach
[03:16] <NoUse> mkyb14 yeah
[03:16] <zblach> ok
[03:16] <mkyb14> didn't work
[03:16] <mkyb14> heh
[03:16] <zblach> in the mean while, anyone here use flashgot?
[03:16] <michael> no how to fix sudo problems?
[03:16] <NoUse> mkyb14 killall -9 gaim
[03:16] <nybble> back
[03:16] <Urban2040> Could someone help me with the Ubuntu install?
[03:16] <nybble> Urban2040: yes
[03:16] <michael> how help?
[03:16] <nalioth> Urban2040: ask your question
[03:16] <mkyb14> nope
[03:16] <mkyb14> still frozen
[03:16] <nybble> Urban2040: what seems to bhe the problem
[03:16] <mkyb14> i'm looking at a messed up buddy list
[03:17] <mkyb14> all the doors are open ahhhh
[03:17] <NoUse> mkyb14 does that command return anything?
[03:17] <mkyb14> nope
[03:17] <nybble> mkyb14: but so am i, but thats my choice of contacts LOL
[03:17] <mkyb14> but i can list dir's and stuff
[03:17] <Urban2040> I have went through and install everything, my sytem rebooted and it started installing the packages, when it's done, my monitor comes up saying "out of range"
[03:17] <nybble> Urban204
[03:17] <NoUse> mkyb14 probably need to restart X
[03:17] <mkyb14> how?
[03:17] <nybble> *Urban2040: ok. that means that the wrong "frequencies' were chosen by the installer for your monitor
[03:17] <NoUse> if you're at the X session - Ctrl + Atl + Backspace
[03:17] <mkyb14> # /etc/init.d/gdm
[03:18] <mkyb14> from console?
[03:18] <IceDragon> zblach,  how
[03:18] <zblach> how what?
[03:18] <IceDragon> ?
[03:18] <mkyb14> x session is frozen
[03:18] <Urban2040> nybble: How can I change it?
[03:18] <zblach> go to a console and type> sudo alsamixer
[03:18] <NoUse> mkyb14 no while in X
[03:18] <IceDragon> How do I unmute, it seems as if the characters are just text
[03:18] <mkyb14> can't
[03:18] <zblach> IceDragon,
[03:18] <IceDragon> console == terminal?
[03:18] <Urban2040> I am not too knowledgable with Linux
[03:18] <zblach> yes
[03:18] <mkyb14> yea
[03:18] <NoUse> mkyb14 why?
[03:18] <nybble> Urban2040: ok. Press and hold Ctrl, Alt, and then press F1
[03:18] <zblach> close the other one
[03:18] <nybble> while holding Ctrl and Alt
[03:19] <mkyb14> the only way i can access the computer is ssh.... if i try it on the keyboard it doen'st do anything
[03:19] <nybble> Urban2040: does that bring up a login prompt?
[03:19] <fujie> can anyone help me out with my Asus A8N-SLI Premium?
[03:19] <NoUse> mkyb14 have you tried Ctrl + Alt + Backspace? its a kernel level thing
[03:19] <mkyb14> yea, no go
[03:19] <IceDragon> ahh
[03:19] <IceDragon> I see
[03:19] <IceDragon> thanks
[03:20] <zblach> just worry about the Audigy Analog/Digital Jack
[03:20] <zblach> everything else is worthless
[03:20] <mkyb14> ftp and stuff works
[03:20] <michael> worthless?
[03:20] <mkyb14> so how do you restart the x session from console on ssh
[03:20] <NoUse> mkyb14 reboot hehe
[03:20] <mkyb14> terminal sorry
[03:20] <nybble> Urban2040: anything?
[03:21] <Urban2040> Sorry, do I hit ctrl + alt at the bootloader or after I choose Ubuntu
[03:21] <zblach> what is the command to restart X?
[03:22] <nybble> you hit Ctrl + alt +f1 while the monitor says "out of range"
[03:22] <cevizoglu> zblach: I think it's startx, but I can't remember
[03:22] <zblach> the only way i know is Ctrl+Alt+F2, then Ctrl+C
[03:22] <Urban2040> Oh ok, well it's a dual boot system so I have to get off windows to go try it. What should I do if it does bring up the login
[03:22] <zblach> brb. gotta restart X
[03:23] <mkyb14> haha it is totally all messed up colors now after rebooting, lol.  uhhh ok.  is there a way to make it so that when my computer restarts that apache and ftp etc startup auto
[03:23] <NoUse> mkyb14 install bum
[03:23] <NoUse> mkyb14 its a boot up manager
[03:24] <bimberi> !bun
[03:24] <ubotu> bimberi: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
[03:24] <bimberi> !bum
[03:24] <ubotu> bum is, like, totally, a graphical BootUp Manager; see http://www.marzocca.net/linux/bum.html
[03:24] <bimberi> D'Oh
[03:24] <nybble> Urban2040: ok. log in, then
[03:24] <nybble> run
[03:24] <alek> i've been having problems with firefox and java wanting to die...gives this error /lib/i386/libawt.so: libXp.so.6: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[03:24] <neighborlee> do I set ext3 as 'm' or '*' in kernel config ? ( ive got m atm)
[03:25] <neighborlee> wanna be sure before I start compiling
[03:25] <nybble> Urban2040: how familiar are you with the command line?
[03:26] <pestilence> neighborlee: i believe that if your partition on which the kernel resides is ext3, you need "Y" for that.
[03:26] <Urban2040> not too familiar
[03:26] <nybble> Urban2040: actually, this Wiki page should help you... https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingXAutoconfiguration
[03:26] <neighborlee> pestilence, ok
[03:26] <pestilence> neighborlee: otherwise, you have to use a initrd
[03:26] <alek> anyone have an idea why firefox and java are clashing on breezy?
[03:27] <IceDragon> Is there any good theme software out for linux?
[03:27] <nybble> Urban2040: use the second set of instructions
[03:27] <neighborlee> pestilence, gotcha
[03:27] <IceDragon> Somthing like stardock?
[03:27] <uber_spaced> what's the easiest way to get sshd to accept remote connections?
[03:27] <nybble> Urban2040: Follow the instructions under "Information for Ubuntu 5.04 (Hoary)"
[03:27] <uber_spaced> (off of a base install of ubuntu)
[03:27] <HrdwrBoB> uber_spaced: sudo apt-get install ssh
[03:27] <HrdwrBoB> uber_spaced: then you're done
[03:27] <alek> IceDragon: most window managers for linux contain their own theme system.
[03:27] <uber_spaced> HrdwrBoB: thanks!
[03:28] <neighborlee> pestilence, k thx
[03:28] <devonst17> How do you switch X from your :0 display to a :1 display, or share your :0 with both your monitor and VNCServer?
[03:28] <devonst17> (btw, switching the :0 to :1 needs to be done in bash over ssh... if possible)
[03:28] <alek> devonst17: i believe vnc runs it's own X session, so i'm not sure it's possible to have both at the same time
[03:29] <uber_spaced> Ubuntu is looking pretty sweet; I'm still using RH9
[03:29] <Orunitia> does breezy's live cd include gnomebaker or k3b?
[03:29] <IceDragon> eh?
[03:29] <devonst17> alek: how do I switch my xsession over ssh then?
[03:29] <alek> Orunitia: no
[03:29] <buddy> where/how do i get/use new themes?
[03:29] <devonst17> alek: that is equally acceptable
[03:29] <Orunitia> wow....great
[03:29] <alek> devonst17: not sure, because i have no experience with x apps over ssh tunnel
[03:29] <devonst17> oic
[03:29] <alek> Orunitia: they are easily installable by apt-get
[03:29] <nalioth> buddy: gnome-look.org, deviantart.com
[03:29] <jdahlin> Is there a howto for customizing acpi dsdt images for ubuntu?
[03:30] <buddy> how do i use them
[03:30] <Orunitia> alek: can you install stuff on a live cd though?
[03:30] <alek> Orunitia: sorry didn't see Live Cd in there...
[03:30] <alek> hah
[03:30] <Orunitia> what I figured :P
[03:30] <alek> not sure haven't used the breezy live cd
[03:30] <alek> i'm having troubles with the install of breezy as it is :-/
[03:30] <Orunitia> ah
[03:30] <nalioth> Orunitia: yes you can
[03:30] <IceDragon> hmm
[03:30] <Orunitia> nalioth: how exactly?
[03:31] <IceDragon> I guess I should ask, is there a way to modify the GUI of ubuntu to look differently?
[03:31] <alek> apt-get install <package> ?
[03:31] <IceDragon> preferrably somthing thats already been done
[03:31] <nalioth> Orunitia: the same way as on the install. use apt-get or synaptic
[03:31] <alek> IceDragon: you need to be more specific...
[03:31] <alek> IceDragon: there are many window managers, all of which look differently and act differently.
[03:31] <Zaacc> could someone maybe help me out with the Debootstrap Error? it would be much appreciated
[03:31] <H4zn> i cant seem to be able to log on to the net
[03:31] <nybble> Urban2040: did that help?
[03:31] <Orunitia> nalioth: I guess you just need to enable the repositories?
[03:31] <nybble> Urban2040 *did you get the link?
[03:32] <H4zn> says my etho is not configured
[03:32] <IceDragon> I mean, like the central look... where the look as a whole is changed, not just individual windows
[03:32] <alek> IceDragon: it's not like windows, where you change the way it looks...a window manager runs on top of Xorg and that denotes the way it looks
[03:32] <IceDragon> Xorg?
[03:32] <alek> IceDragon: do some research on the differences between Gnome and KDE, they are two very different window managers
[03:32] <IceDragon> hmm...
[03:32] <nalioth> Orunitia: correct. just like an install (you lose everything upon restart, tho)
[03:33] <Orunitia> nalioth: thanks
[03:33] <alek> IceDragon: Xorg is the "windows" of linux
[03:33] <IceDragon> Just want somthing that looks cool, this default look seems to be very plain
[03:33] <sybariten> think i just managed to fcuk up my ubuntu install
[03:33] <sybariten> and i mean bad
[03:33] <reiki> What are the implecations of making permissions on /var/spool/mail directory set to 01777? This is what Thunderbird wants in order to read local mail spool.
[03:33] <reiki> this is a single user machine
[03:33] <alek> reiki: a pretty big security hole, i'd say...
[03:34] <H4zn> xan anyone help me?
[03:34] <H4zn> *can
[03:34] <IceDragon> hm
[03:34] <IceDragon> freshmeat looks interesting
[03:34] <alek> IceDragon: do you have ubuntu installed?
[03:34] <alek> IceDragon: try themes at freshmeat
[03:34] <reiki> alek: that's what it looks like to me as well. But in order to use a Unix Movemail account it has to create a lock file
[03:34] <IceDragon> alek, yes
[03:34] <IceDragon> went over smoothly
[03:34] <IceDragon> looking there now
[03:35] <alek> IceDragon: yeah check out the gnome themes, the default brown is kinda boring, but the glory of window managers in linux are that you can change the look completely, but it still functions the same.
[03:35] <Zaacc> :'( doesn't anyone here know anything about the debootstrap error that appears at 6% of the installation?
[03:35] <IceDragon> Can I also change the look of the logon screen?
[03:35] <reiki> anyone else using Thunderbird to read from local mail spool?
[03:36] <alek> reiki: i can't see why it would have any other repricussions other than allowing anyone to read the mail spool
[03:36] <alek> sp
[03:36] <sybariten> i had an accidental shutdown of my computer (a mac!) and upong the next reboot, gnome wouldnt completely load. plain ubuntu. there was a message about "the bonobo-activation server", and after reading some cases (too sloppy!!) on the web, i decided to try and replace gnome-panel
[03:36] <sybariten> soneone else had had similar problem due to a broken gnome-panel
[03:36] <Octane> `/topic
[03:36] <reiki> alek: well... as I said... this is just my own home machine... everyone here at home has their own computer. Not like this is at work in an office environment
[03:36] <alek> sybariten: was it during install?
[03:36] <Octane> is there a breezy channel?
[03:37] <alek> reiki: then i'd say do it at your own risk...i'm no expert
[03:37] <sybariten> so an apt-get install didnt do much, so i removed it ... apt-get remove gnome-panel. Well, turns out now, the machine appearently has no net connection so a simple apt-get install gnome-panel wasnt such a simple task as i believed
[03:37] <sybariten> alek: no, during usage
[03:37] <IceDragon> I know I must sound like a huge noob, but I cant get BitchX working
[03:38] <alek> sybariten: do you have the ubuntu install cd handy?
[03:38] <reiki> sybariten, you still have the CD? You should be able to use the CD as repository
[03:38] <sybariten> the biggest problem right now is that i cant tab-commands in the bash ... which is odd ... hehe .. but anyhow, is there any easy way i can get the NIC up and running ?
[03:38] <IceDragon> I have the tar.gz file, but it wont let me do anything after I extract it
[03:38] <alek> sybariten: ifconfig eth0 up
[03:38] <Orunitia> icedragon: why not just install it with apt-get?
[03:38] <alek> sybariten: then type ifconfig and see if it shows anything
[03:38] <IceDragon> I do not know what that is
[03:38] <H4zn> Can anyone help me please?...:)
[03:38] <IceDragon> I'd like a manual way of doing it to get the hang of it though
[03:38] <sybariten> alek: frankly i dont....  i could burn one, but i'm too tired ATM. I installed PPC Ubuntu over at a friends house on two iMacs, one for him and one for me .. and then i moved the iMac here
[03:38] <IceDragon> :-(
[03:38] <Urban2040> nybble: What was that website again?
[03:38] <sybariten> its been rock solid until now
[03:38] <nalioth> !tell IceDragon about synaptic
[03:39] <nalioth> IceDragon: the manual way can botch your system
[03:39] <NoUse> H4zn have you asked a question?
[03:39] <alek> IceDragon: there is a guide for starting on linux...specifically ubuntu..check out http://ubuntuguide.org, but be aware it's not updated for breezy
[03:39] <nalioth> IceDragon: read what ubotu sent you
[03:39] <IceDragon> ah
[03:39] <Octane> anyone here get sk98lin to work in breezy? Its the Marvell 88E8053 NIC
[03:39] <nybble> Urban2040: actually, this Wiki page should help you... https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingXAutoconfiguration
[03:39] <nalioth> alek: please dont do that
[03:39] <nalioth> !tell alek about ubuntuguide
[03:39] <H4zn> NoUse: yes
[03:39] <Urban2040> OK thanks
[03:39] <nalioth> !tell IceDragon about ubuntuguide
[03:40] <sybariten> what the HECK??!!  anyone seen this error msg (approximately) : "SIOCCSIFLAGS: Permission denied"
[03:40] <dabar> !tell nalioth about msg the bot
[03:40] <NoUse> H4zn what is your problem?
[03:40] <dabar> :P
[03:40] <H4zn> i cant go online or use any type of messanger
[03:40] <IceDragon> ...
[03:40] <IceDragon> I can read heh
[03:40] <nalioth> dabar: i was making a point, ty
[03:40] <sybariten> ifconfig doesnt normally require root does it ?
[03:40] <NoUse> H4zn are you getting an IP address?
[03:40] <H4zn> no...
[03:40] <IceDragon> !faq
[03:40] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, faq is The Ubuntu FAQ Guide: select System -> Help (in Breezy)
[03:40] <dabar> wish me luck for tomorrow when I try to animate students at my university that are taking the Unix class to try ubuntu.
[03:40] <sybariten> i'd like to reboot now, but then again i wouldnt because ubuntu will try and go into gnome ....
[03:41] <linuxpoet> dabar it is easy
[03:41] <alek> sybariten: it does if you try to change settings
[03:41] <reiki> nalioth, expert opinion? In order to get Thunderbird to read local mail spool it wants to create a lock file while readin ... and it asks me to set /var/spool/mail to permissions 01777. You think that's ok on a single user machine or is it a bad idea?
[03:41] <linuxpoet> Tell them it is Debian, but good
[03:41] <alek> sybariten: you should be able to type 'ifconfig' as any user and see the settings
[03:41] <dabar> nono, they never heard of linux mostly.
[03:41] <NoUse> H4zn do you use DHCP?
[03:41] <nybble> hey...anyone know what this "HP Linux Printing and Imaging System" package is?
[03:41] <nalioth> reiki: 01777?
[03:41] <dabar> almost, at least, maybe the name.
[03:41] <reiki> nalioth, I'm sure that's extended notation of some kind. I can do 777
[03:42] <nalioth> dabar: this is the time to have a bag o' ubuntu discs
[03:42] <H4zn> NoUse: no..i dont know what that means
[03:42] <linuxpoet> 01777 I have never seen... I have seen 1777
[03:42] <nalioth> reiki: is your box secure?
[03:42] <nalioth> reiki: ultimately it is your box
[03:42] <NoUse> H4zn how do you configure Windows for the internet?
[03:42] <sybariten> alek : ok
[03:42] <reiki> nalioth: it's a single user box in my home behind a router
[03:42] <dabar> I said, wish me luck, noone says nothing...that kinda sucks.
[03:42] <johnnybe1ak> guys somehow my mono install has gotten all f*cked up
[03:42] <nalioth> reiki: i have some things 0777d, but that is me and i dont recommend it . i have had 0 problems tho
[03:43] <nybble> !hp
[03:43] <ubotu> Wish i knew, nybble
[03:43] <nalioth> dabar: i DID say something
[03:43] <johnnybe1ak> what way would you recommend to reinstall it all?
[03:43] <dabar> I mean, noone says good luck.
[03:43] <dabar> Oh.
[03:43] <dabar> I said wish, right.
[03:43] <sybariten> this is odd, i typed ifconfig but cant see a regular IP adress on eth0 ... it jsut has some ip6 adress in hex or something
[03:43] <H4zn> NoUse: it already does it...
[03:43] <reiki> nalioth,  ok thanks. I'll do a little more research.
[03:43] <buddy> is there a networking wizard kind of like windows? I have a bunch of problems and have no idea where to start
[03:43] <sybariten> "lo" has an adress but its localhost 127.0.0.1
[03:43] <nybble> !hplip
[03:43] <ubotu> No idea, nybble
[03:43] <Octane> can someone please tell me how i could reinstall the nvidia drivers in breezy? the package that is
[03:43] <alek> sybariten: do you have root privs?
[03:43] <NoUse> H4zn what kind of internet access do you have?
[03:43] <sybariten> alek: yeah
[03:43] <D1> finally! got a linux compatible scanner!
[03:43] <alek> sybariten: dhcp server running on your network?
[03:44] <nybble> Octane: sudo apt-get remove nvidia-glx
[03:44] <Octane> nybble that also removes the kernel
[03:44] <sybariten> i'm on DHCP too, this computer is normally 192.168.1.255 i believe
[03:44] <nybble> Octane: and then sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx
[03:44] <Octane> i mean kernel-modules-whatever it is also removes the kernel
[03:44] <sybariten> alek: yup :)
[03:44] <nybble> huh?
[03:44] <alek> sybariten: to grab an IP, as root, try 'dhclient eth0'
[03:44] <H4zn>   cable
[03:44] <nalioth> reiki: i dont publicly recommend it, because it is a security flag. that doesnt mean it wont work just fine
[03:45] <sybariten> alek: that was a new one .... ok
[03:45] <NoUse> H4zn you have to figure out how Windows is configured and configure Ubuntu in the same manner
[03:45] <reiki> nalioth,  understood
[03:45] <buddy> is there a networking channel on this server?
[03:45] <Kico> Hi, can I install ubuntu on my computer using the Live CD?
[03:45] <johnnybe1ak> buddy: whats the matter?
[03:45] <johnnybe1ak> Kico: nope you need the install cd
[03:45] <alek> buddy: what seems to be your prob?
[03:45] <linuxpoet> buddy: what do you mean a networking channel
[03:46] <Kico> too bad :(
[03:46] <johnnybe1ak> don't worry about that mono question i just reinstalled all my mono crap and it works again
[03:46] <buddy> johnnybelak: I have two computers here i set up the excat same way except for the host name, One can see both win and linux shares, the other cant see either. Both ask for login and when i login it dosnt give an error just flashes the login screen over and over
[03:46] <johnnybe1ak> Kico: do you have broadband? you can just download the install cd
[03:46] <alek> buddy: that's a samba problem...
[03:47] <johnnybe1ak> buddy: so you can't connect the linux machine to the windows machine or the other way around
[03:47] <buddy> linuxpoet: #networking or somthing
[03:47] <buddy> one can the other cant
[03:47] <alek> buddy: the network isn't your problem, it's your Samba configuration
[03:47] <johnnybe1ak> buddy: so you've got two linux machines wanting to connect to a windows machine is that right?
[03:47] <buddy> johnnybelak: One can the other cant, and i have no idea about the password, i changed the share to 777 and ionly have one password
[03:47] <sybariten> alek: i guess this is something that normally goes rather instantly
[03:48] <alek> sybariten: yes.
[03:48] <buddy> johnnybelak: two linux machines to eaachother
[03:48] <buddy> alek: #samba right?
[03:48] <H4zn> okay...thanks
[03:48] <alek> sybariten: if it doesn't work, try looking at your hardware layer.  see if you have a link and all that.
[03:48] <alek> buddy: you'd be better off on google...they would probably flame.
[03:48] <ravious> im trying to mount a samba share from fstab, the problem is that the share name has a space in it, anyone know how to set that adjust the format to allow for a space?
[03:48] <johnnybe1ak> buddy: ok so you've got no windows machines
[03:48] <johnnybe1ak> buddy: i don't mind trying to help
[03:48] <alek> buddy: wait...you have no windows machines?
[03:48] <michael> hi again- anyone know where to find the w32codecs?
[03:48] <alek> i thought you said 1 linux, 1 windows
[03:48] <alek> michael: mplayerhq.hu
[03:49] <sybariten> alek: but now it just tries and tries ...  it repeats a line something like "DHCPDISCOVER on eth0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval 3" ...
[03:49] <buddy> johnnybelak and alex: I have one windows machine, but it's not important right now, i want my linux boxes to connect
[03:49] <nybble> well
[03:49] <nybble> off to bed i go
[03:49] <sybariten> changing the interval
[03:49] <nybble> bye
[03:49] <nalioth> michael: www.mplayerhq.hu on the download page
[03:49] <buddy> 2 linux, 2 windows, 1 linux can see both windows and itself, other linux cant see anything
[03:49] <grger> hello
[03:49] <grger> i have some issues i ned help with when you get a chane
[03:49] <buddy> both have samba and nfs on
[03:50] <johnnybe1ak> buddy: ok can it see it? can you ping the machine you're trying to connect to?
[03:50] <buddy> johnnybelak: i can ssh to it
[03:50] <grger> my issue is
[03:50] <ravious> michael: http://ubuntuguide.org/
[03:50] <johnnybe1ak> buddy: ok so it's not a networking problem
[03:50] <alek> haha
[03:50] <alek> another ubuntuguide
[03:50] <grger> i changed the home or whatever of my account... in attemtps to login as root.. to root
[03:50] <sybariten> so, i guess i'm giving this up for now ....
[03:50] <grger> from  home..
[03:50] <grger> now it crashes at log in
[03:51] <ravious> He asked where to get the codecs..
[03:51] <alek> sybariten: did you check the network cable?
[03:51] <Cheetahfoot> has anyone seen the bill gates/napoleon dynamite movie?
[03:51] <nalioth> chreeps
[03:51] <sybariten> is there a way to start up ubuntu without having it go into gnome ?
[03:51] <buddy> johnnybelak: no both have ip's and show up in my dhcp list, i can surf on both and ssh/ vnc on both
[03:51] <nalioth> !ubuntuguide
[03:51] <ubotu> hmm... ubuntuguide is out of date, breaks PCs and doesn't explain anything. The official FAQ Guide, which is based on ubuntuguide will soon be the help menu in Breezy. For more information see !faq.
[03:51] <ravious> They are on the the website
[03:51] <johnnybe1ak> buddy: now you are trying to connect with samba from a linux machine onto you're other machines
[03:51] <sybariten> alek: yeah but the problem is that it looks allright ... i have a LED lighting in my router
[03:51] <buddy> johnnybelak: it has to do with the filesharing and permissions i think
[03:51] <nalioth> michael: ravious: read the ubuntuguide factoid, please
[03:51] <buddy> johnnybelak: yes
[03:52] <alek> sybariten: as root try ifconfig eth0 down then ifconfig eth0 up...then try your dhclient eth0 again
[03:52] <alek> sybariten: man ifconfig may also help you immensely in setting your IP to static and trying it that way....it may be a communication problem with the dhcp server
[03:52] <masterLoki> /server irc.freenode.net
[03:53] <alek> sybariten: ubuntu has a gui network setup tool as well...
[03:53] <alek> it could come in handy
[03:53] <sybariten> trhe ifconfig up and down, respectively, normally doesnt say much do they ?
[03:53] <buddy> Is there a gui filesharing tool?
[03:53] <grger> any one have any ideas on my issue?
[03:53] <alek> they don't say anything
[03:54] <nalioth> buddy: many of them
[03:54] <alek> grger: repeat?
[03:54] <grger> well
[03:54] <grger> in an attempt to give myself root privelege
[03:54] <grger> i know nothing btw
[03:54] <michael> thanks nalioth, but as said, this doesn't work for breezy- unless you point it at hoary repositories
[03:54] <dabar> buddy: know how to search in synaptic? I use gtk-gnutella
[03:54] <grger> i changed the home or whatever of my account, liek the home ocation, roots is root, so i changed mine to root
[03:54] <nalioth> michael: www.mplayerhq.hu  on the download page
[03:54] <grger> and it wont log in anymoe
[03:54] <sybariten> ok, thats cool then ... the dhclient says the same things though. it gives a complaint in the beginning too, although i dont know if its normal
[03:54] <sybariten> "sit0: unknown hardware adress type"
[03:54] <buddy> dabar: i do, what should i look for
[03:55] <alek> grger: that's because the /root directory is owned by root
[03:55] <grger> how do i change mine back?
[03:55] <alek> grger: you should probably keep your home directory as /home/X/
[03:55] <grger> from the terminal
[03:55] <dabar> buddy: I even gave you a package name in the post...
[03:55] <sybariten> does the network setup tool run in console ?
[03:55] <grger> i can get a command pomt but thats it
[03:55] <alek> grger: that's a tough one...lemme see
[03:55] <H4zn> how do i get root access?
[03:55] <buddy> dabar: sorry, i thought that was a apt-get gui you used
[03:55] <grger> yeah its a tough on e lol
[03:55] <H4zn> i out in su but my pass did not work
[03:55] <michael> configure the login manager to allow root login
[03:55] <grger> i also would like to kno how to login as root once i fix this
[03:55] <alek> H4zn: you can use sudo to run applications as root, or you can get a root shell by typing sudo bash, or similar
[03:55] <dabar> buddy: I see.
[03:56] <LootBeer> how do u find where acertain directory is instaled? the path of directory??
[03:56] <grger> i did that and it says the root user cannot login form the login screen
[03:56] <alek> to log in as root, you need to change root's password, as it is set randomly by ubuntu
[03:56] <grger> i did
[03:56] <grger> but thats no the main issue riht now i cant log in at all
[03:56] <alek> to do that, you need to log in as a user with sudo privs and run something like sudo passwd root
[03:56] <michael> unless you do an expert install- then you set it
[03:56] <johnnybe1ak> buddy: are you using gnome?
[03:56] <grger> i would like to simply get back to where iw as before i kiled i
[03:56] <reiki> nalioth, permissions 01777 just means sticky bit set. Anyone can read/write but only own can delete their own files.
[03:56] <dabar> !tell H4zn about root
[03:57] <buddy> johnnybleak: yes
[03:57] <lukins> !faq
[03:57] <ubotu> hmm... faq is The Ubuntu FAQ Guide: select System -> Help (in Breezy)
[03:57] <michael> grger- i just had this problem! check to see if you are in the sudoers file!
[03:57] <grger> the issue is
[03:57] <grger> i changed my hoem or whatever to root
[03:57] <alek> michael: different problem
[03:57] <linuxpoet> Hey how soon is the lovely new release?
[03:57] <nalioth> reiki: sounds good.
[03:57] <michael> oh...
[03:57] <alek> he changed his home folder to /root, and permissions on it won't let him read it
[03:57] <nalioth> linuxpoet: oct 13
[03:57] <nickrud> grger, you can try sudo usermod -h /home/<the user name> <the user name>; that will reset the home directory
[03:57] <alek> so now he can't log to change his /home
[03:57] <michael> ewww
[03:57] <alek> nickrud: not valid if he can't log in
[03:57] <nalioth> nickrud: back for more abuse, are ya?
[03:58] <linuxpoet> excellent
[03:58] <linuxpoet> thanks
[03:58] <sybariten> is there a really good way to reboot the computer withouyt having it trying to run gnome ?
[03:58] <linuxpoet> sudo reboot
[03:58] <grger> i can get to the dos looking thing
[03:58] <grger> the prompt
[03:58] <nickrud> grger, and, it has a major typo, and I thought he said he had a root login
[03:58] <sybariten> alek: ok i'll have to try some other things tomorrow, or something ....   thanks for trying to help!
[03:58] <johnnybe1ak> how good is f-spot? dammit some of these new mono apps are sweet
[03:58] <H4zn> how do i get my ip ad.?
[03:58] <alek> sybariten: np sorry i couldn't help more
[03:58] <nickrud> grger, are you logged in as root?
[03:59] <nalioth> johnnybe1ak: it is free to use, go get it
[03:59] <felipe_> Hi grger, do you have the root password?
[03:59] <nickrud> when you say the 'prompt', what exactly is that?
[03:59] <grger> i can get to the thing where it asks you to type in commands
[03:59] <junk11341> a
[03:59] <grger> will what that one guy says work?
[04:00] <grger> terminal type thing
[04:00] <alek> grger: yes
[04:00] <grger> ok groovy
[04:00] <johnnybe1ak> nalioth: yeah I know, I just started playing around with it. it's awesome. i can't wait till it becomes a bit more stable
[04:00] <foomanchew> hello
[04:00] <johnnybe1ak> mono + gstreamer = sweet new gnome apps :)
[04:00] <nickrud> grger, it's actually usermod -d /home/<the name> <the name>
[04:00] <foomanchew> anyone using SB live for sound with warty ?
[04:00] <foomanchew> I cannot get sound to work
[04:00] <HrdwrBoB> warty?
[04:01] <HrdwrBoB> why are you using warty
[04:01] <HrdwrBoB> though it should work
[04:01] <nickrud> nalioth, you handing out the abuse this evening ;)
[04:01] <IceDragon> I get an error while trying to create a folder in my file:/// directory
[04:01] <alek> IceDragon: have you read the manual yet?
[04:01] <foomanchew> sorry hedgehog
[04:01] <grger> nickrud
[04:01] <H4zn> how do i get my ip address?
[04:01] <foomanchew> ifconfig
[04:01] <alek> IceDragon: cuz you ask the weirdest vaguest questions
[04:01] <grger> whatsmyip.com
[04:01] <H4zn> what is the command?
[04:01] <alek> H4zn: ifconfig
[04:01] <IceDragon> I typed !faq but nothing happened
[04:01] <H4zn> thankyou
[04:02] <nalioth> nickrud: take a number and stand in line, lol
[04:02] <IceDragon> heh I'm good at that
[04:02] <alek> IceDragon: try ubuntulinux.com
[04:02] <foomanchew> sound issues in Hoary
[04:02] <foomanchew> help
[04:02] <Christian> HrdwrBoB: why are you using warty <--- something wrong with that ?
[04:02] <neighborlee> k well I could use some more kernel help ;( ie: kernel panic : not syncing: VFS : unable to mount root fs on unknown-block (0,0),,,using ext3 and its set as 'y' in kernel config so that not it...any idears ? ;(
[04:02] <grger> alek.. so what goes in the  areas he labeled the name?
[04:02] <grger> are they suposed to be there tswice?
[04:02] <lordrigo> hello
[04:02] <alek> grger: your username
[04:02] <michael> ahh warty... hardly knew ye
[04:02] <lordrigo> como cambio esta aplicacion a espaol??
[04:02] <robotgeek> !es
[04:02] <ubotu> Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #ubuntu-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda.
[04:03] <michael> wow
[04:03] <alek> grger: yes one is the directory, one is the actual user
[04:03] <grger> groovy
[04:03] <junk11341> yea
[04:03] <grger> ill be back shortly with succes or failrue info
[04:03] <zblach> hey, is there something like windows slideshow viewer for ubuntu?
[04:03] <alek> grger: so if your username is grger, it would be usermod -d /home/grger grger
[04:04] <grger> ok
[04:04] <alek> with a sudo in front
[04:04] <grger> will it work no matter what priveleges i habve?
[04:04] <grger> cause i dont knwow aht i may or mmay not have form that prompt
[04:04] <alek> no, you must run it as root, so make sure you sudo it
[04:04] <grger> i dont get that part
[04:04] <alek> sudo usermod -d /home/grger grger
[04:04] <alek> that's the command
[04:04] <grger> putting sudo in front makes it root?
[04:04] <alek> grger: yes
[04:05] <Octane> has anyone here managed to fix the problem with fonts when starting X in breezy where it says font "fixed' not found
[04:05] <grger> ill be back to ask about nvidia drivers in a bit
[04:05] <alek> grger: sudo executes the following command with root priviledges
[04:05] <grger> nifty
[04:05] <grger> learn somethin new every day
[04:05] <zblach> ?
[04:05] <alek> k i'm done breaking people, gonna go comatose for a few mins
[04:05] <grger> no
[04:05] <grger> we need you mr guy
[04:06] <junk11341> baldwin
[04:06] <alek> i'm no expert, i actually came here with a problem about java and firefox in breezy
[04:06] <alek> heh
[04:06] <junk11341> he's gone
[04:06] <anthony> I've been having trouble changing the permissions and owner of files.  I have an interchange partition for working with things in both Linux and windows, but I've found that when I make a file in Windows, put it in that partition, and boot Linux, it will only allow root to access the file with write permissions.  I've tried actually logging in as root (beyond just sudo and su -), and when I try to change permissions from the command
[04:06] <anthony> line, it seems to work, but does not actually, and chown replies that it is unable to do that.
[04:06] <steveO_Office> Hello all ? Do I need to make modifications to to the kernel to get ndiswrapper working? I apt-get the ndiswrapper and that should have been all that was needed correct?
[04:06] <LootBeer> i need to find where my mutlisync header is located, multisync.h..... pls hrelp, im installling synce!!??
[04:06] <anthony> Any ideas?
[04:07] <junk11341> what are the positives of running this over windows
[04:07] <alek> anthony: is this on an NTFS?
[04:07] <anthony> No, the partition is a FAT.
[04:07] <durt> steve0_Office: you can only apt-get the source: now you have to compile it
[04:07] <nalioth> junk11341: hmmm 'no virus danger'
[04:07] <johnnybe1ak> steveO_Office: nope, there is a howto in the wiki for getting ndiswrapper to work, it tells you step by step how to do everything
[04:07] <anthony> However, the main drive of Windows is NTFS.  Would that matter?
[04:08] <steveO_Office> johnnybe1ak, Thanks
[04:08] <johnnybe1ak> steveO_Office: google ubuntu wiki ndiswrapper howto or something like that
[04:08] <johnnybe1ak> steveO_Office: np
[04:08] <durt> steve0_Office: http://ndiswrapper.sourceforge.net/mediawiki/index.php/Ubuntu
[04:08] <foomanchew> ok any one help with sound issues
[04:08] <intelikey> anthony: it sounds like a mount issue.   rather than a file permissions issue.
[04:08] <anthony> I can open and edit everything just fine if I login as root from the login screen, but nothing else works.
[04:08] <oranged> turning up the volume worked for me
[04:08] <steveO_Office> GREAT HELP HERE!!! Thanks
[04:08] <anthony> Okay, so what would I have to do about that?
[04:09] <intelikey> anthony: what fs is the interchange partition
[04:09] <anthony> If possible I would like to mount that entire interchange partition with all files automatically set to full permissions for all users.
[04:10] <lukins> foomanchew are you on warty or hoary?
[04:10] <anthony> FAT.
[04:10] <IceDragon> E: Could not open lock file /var/lib/apt/lists/lock - open (13 Permission denied)
[04:10] <IceDragon> E: Unable to lock the list directory
[04:10] <IceDragon> ?
[04:10] <ryanarp> if anyone could help me that would be great please im me i am having trouble with ubuntu freezing  after logging in will not show desktop
[04:10] <anthony> Hoary.
[04:10] <alek> IceDragon: it's because you aren't running apt-get as root
[04:10] <Octane> anyone else here get the error of missing font "fixed" when starting X?
[04:10] <Octane> in breezy
[04:10] <alek> IceDragon: i suggest you read the FAQ
[04:10] <IceDragon> hmm k
[04:10] <Madpilot> IceDragon: do you have Synaptic open as well?
[04:10] <intelikey> anthony: add umask=000 to the line in /etc/fstab  that discribes that partition
[04:10] <alek> Madpilot: that's a different error
[04:11] <foomanchew> ok sound help needed
[04:11] <IceDragon> I know I'm being a dunderhead, but where is the faq
[04:11] <foomanchew> pleeeez
[04:11] <Madpilot> !tell IceDragon about docs
[04:11] <IceDragon> !faq does not do... much...
[04:11] <ubotu> IceDragon: I give up, what is it?
[04:11] <intelikey> anthony: you should "man fstab "  first.
[04:11] <alek> haha
[04:11] <oranged> foomanchew, whats wrong with your sound
[04:11] <IceDragon> oh mmm.... I'm a dunderhead
[04:11] <foomanchew> I have NForce 2 with onbaord sound
[04:11] <foomanchew> also SB Live
[04:11] <foomanchew> oranged, no sound
[04:11] <foomanchew> dead
[04:11] <Madpilot> IceDragon: did you get ubotu's msg?
[04:12] <anthony> intelikey: Where on the line should that go?
[04:12] <IceDragon> yes Madpilot
[04:12] <intelikey> anthony: you should "man fstab "  first.
[04:12] <intelikey> that will explain it
[04:12] <foomanchew> oranged, tried alot to get to work
[04:12] <foomanchew> worked under warty
[04:12] <foomanchew> but no in hoary
[04:12] <anthony> All right, I'll take a look.
[04:12] <foomanchew> weird
[04:13] <oranged> foomanchew, what did you try?
[04:13] <foomanchew> oranged, alsa utils
[04:14] <foomanchew> should I be using ALSA or ESD ?
[04:14] <foomanchew> or OSS
[04:14] <foomanchew> dang
[04:14] <oranged> foomanchew; alsa for the sblive
[04:14] <foomanchew> ok
[04:14] <foomanchew> is see /usr/bin/esd -nobeeps running
[04:15] <foomanchew> I have used alsamixer to check levels
[04:15] <whyameye> anybody here know anything about MIDI for ubuntu?
[04:15] <snausages> i want to add the command "sudo shutdown -h now" to my desktop as a shortcut with my user password implemented, so i don't have to enter it every time i launch the shortcut
[04:15] <snausages> how can i do that
[04:15] <lundner> hey
[04:16] <oranged> foomanchew; try turning all all the pcm channels? or was anything muted?
[04:16] <neighborlee> where do I get the 'config' file for my current running kernel, so I can use it as reference for compiling new one ???
[04:16] <intelikey> snausages: we kinda hope you can't
[04:16] <foomanchew> oranged, weird thing is alsa is showing my Nvidia nForce 2 as the card
[04:16] <Octane> i should hvae installed breezy by doing install ubuntu-desktop/base not by doing dist upgrade
[04:16] <snausages> intelikey, why not?
[04:16] <jdef> seveas: nalioth told me to talk to you about a java problem
[04:16] <lundner> i want to get the irc running under gdesklets but it doesn't work can someone help me?!
[04:16] <foomanchew> oranged, i expect to see SB Live ?
[04:17] <snausages> i think it would be useful if i could, to shut down on the fly
[04:17] <oranged> foomanchew, use alsamixer -c 1
[04:17] <intelikey> snausages: cause if you can then there is no security in sudo at all......
[04:17] <foomanchew> oranged, how do I change it to use SB ?
[04:17] <snausages> intelikey, right, but how could i add the password to the shortcut?
[04:17] <snausages> i'm the only person using this computer
[04:17] <oranged> foomanchew, you can specify which card alsamixer controls
[04:17] <foomanchew> oranged, yes
[04:17] <foomanchew> cool
[04:18] <IceDragon> cool
[04:19] <lundner> nobody able to help me?!
[04:19] <alek> snausages: gksudo shutdown
[04:19] <intelikey> snausages: like i said you probably can not.   but you might try something like "echo <your_passwd> | sudo <command>  "    but i hope that that doesn't work either.   though i've never tried it.
[04:19] <intelikey> too late.
[04:19] <nalioth> lundner: whining isnt gettin your question answered
[04:19] <intelikey> lag is bad.....
[04:19] <alek> didn't want gksudo?
[04:19] <neon> hola
[04:19] <vigis> Anyone have time for a question? Justinstalled Ubuntu...
[04:20] <alek> oh haha he left
[04:20] <foomanchew> oranged, still no sound do I need to reset ?
[04:20] <neon> quien conose al danonex
[04:20] <alek> vigis: shoot
[04:20] <oranged> foomanchew; no need to reset
[04:20] <gt> hello?
[04:20] <lundner> you're right nalioth i'm going eating lots of chocolate
[04:20] <gt> does it show me as gt?
[04:20] <lukins> !es
[04:20] <ubotu> Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #ubuntu-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda.
[04:20] <alek> gt: we are all bots.
[04:20] <junk11341> ye
[04:20] <apokryphos> hi gt -- it sure does.
[04:20] <foomanchew> him all is quiet
[04:20] <nalioth> lundner: chocolate?
[04:20] <gt> alek you arent a boyt are you?
[04:20] <alek> gt: DOES NOT COMPUTE
[04:20] <reiki> what's this I'm reading about Evolution becoming NOVELL Evolution and no longer being free? Is there concern?
[04:20] <gt> bot*
[04:21] <gt> i cant beleive you are a bot
[04:21] <gt> btw
[04:21] <junk11341> me bot 2
[04:21] <gt> this si greg
[04:21] <apokryphos> gt: he's not =)
[04:21] <anthony> intelikey: I looked in the man page, and unfortunately I don't really understand it, nor did I see any mention of "umask".  I'm guessing this information is all in there, but I'm missing it somehow.
[04:21] <buddy> is there a way to run everything as root for a session, I an using shared folders and i get error: failed to run shares-admin as user root child terminated with 207 status
[04:21] <ryanarp> hi
[04:21] <gt> good lol
[04:21] <intelikey>  x -gt y
[04:21] <intelikey> ! x -gt y
[04:21] <alek> buddy: you could log on as root.
[04:21] <ubotu> intelikey: Syntax error in line 1
[04:21] <intelikey> lol
[04:21] <gt> hwo do i log in s root?
[04:21] <buddy> i thought ubuntu didnt have a root accout or somthing
[04:21] <oranged> foomanchew, did alsamixer display the levels for a sblive card with the -c 1 switch?
[04:21] <gt> it tells me that root cant log in from the lolgin screen
[04:21] <vigis> I just went through the installation procedure and realised that i never got to set a root password during it?
[04:21] <apokryphos> gt: there should be no need to ever login as root. Why do you want to?
[04:21] <alek> gt: you must first change the root password.
[04:21] <foomanchew> oranged, yes
[04:22] <intelikey> gt you will have to set the root passwd first.
[04:22] <anthony> Ubuntu does have a root, it can just be tricky to get at it.
[04:22] <alek> gt: but it can be dangerous.
[04:22] <nalioth> !tell gt about sudo
[04:22] <oranged> foomanchew; do you have a pcm digital channel?
[04:22] <intelikey> sudo passwd
[04:22] <lukins> vigis congratulations you've installed ubuntu correctly, read ubuntuguide.org
[04:22] <alek> ut oh
[04:22] <vigis> thanks
[04:22] <nalioth> lukins: please dont do that
[04:22] <foomanchew> oranged, I see a PCM channel
[04:22] <alek> haha
[04:22] <ryanarp> ubuntu boots to the login screen and lets me log in but right after i log in and it is in the process of loading the desktop it freezes my sound is working but my touchpad mouse is not working on my laptop please help
[04:23] <gt> get windows
[04:23] <alek> ryanarp: is this an athlon 64 laptop?
[04:23] <foomanchew> oranged, the PCM level is 68
[04:23] <apokryphos> gt: eh?
[04:23] <junk11341> gt with tech support right out from a one walled garage
[04:23] <ryanarp> ues
[04:23] <ryanarp> yes
[04:23] <oranged> foomanchew; you know that you can use the right arrow to scroll through the channels?
[04:23] <johnnybe1ak> ryanarp: do you have any other wm's installed
[04:23] <foomanchew> oranged, I did and I set all to mid point
[04:23] <gt> llol
[04:23] <alek> ryanarp: there are known issues with several compaq and hq laptops running the new ATI chipset.  you're pretty much out of luck at this point.
[04:23] <foomanchew> then esacpoed
[04:23] <G2> Hello!
[04:23] <gt> inside inside
[04:23] <apokryphos> hi there
[04:24] <oranged> foomanchew, try muting the pcm channel
[04:24] <anthony> intelikey: Any more suggestions if I don't understand the man?
[04:24] <gt> go away g2.... your name is too similer to my own
[04:24] <alek> ryanarp: i believe FC4 is running smoothly, but i have yet to find anything else that runs...including gentoo.
[04:24] <junk11341>  lol
[04:24] <ryanarp> ok
[04:24] <junk11341>  IF YA GET PAID TO GIVE TECH SUPPORT HERE< GIMME A HELL YA
[04:24] <ryanarp> how do you install gentoo
[04:24] <ryanarp> i have so many problems
[04:25] <alek> haha
[04:25] <intelikey> anthony: put "umask=000" next to the last entry in the line in fstab
[04:25] <G2> I want remove the realplayer ,could you tell me how to do it? thank U
[04:25] <reiki> nalioth, final update (I promise). To get file lock working for Thunderbird to read local /var/mail I did sudo chmod o+wt /var/mail ... this just set the sticky bit and left the permissions alone otherwise. It works! :)
[04:25] <apokryphos> junk11341: what are you talking about? Please don't shout.
[04:25] <alek> ryanarp: gentoo doesn't work...have a look at Fedora Core 4
[04:25] <rukuartic> I'm gonna get paid for wiping drives =D
[04:25] <nalioth> reiki: thank you for the info
[04:25] <durt> ryanarp: i would try booting into recovery mode and running dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[04:25] <nickrud> junk11341, I don't believe so; paid support is done somewhere else, I think
[04:25] <rukuartic> dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hda1
[04:25] <apokryphos> nickrud: correct
[04:25] <ryanarp> is there anyone who has a easy how to on installing gentoo
[04:25] <alek> ryanarp: http://fedora.redhat.com/
[04:25] <alek> ryanarp: http://www.gentoo.org/
[04:26] <apokryphos> ryanarp: erm, you're in #ubuntu
[04:26] <ricbit> hello, I'm a n00b, first time using ubuntu, can anyone help me configure a nat?
[04:26] <buddy> when i tried to login as root, it said system administrator cannot log in from this screen
[04:26] <nalioth> ryanarp: try #gentoo
[04:26] <robotgeek> ryanarp: the guides are pretty detailed, should be easy to follow thru if u can print them out
[04:26] <intelikey> anthony: /dev/hdc1 /mnt/disk vfat  defaults,umaks=000 0 0  <--- something along that line.
[04:26] <alek> ricbit: as in network address translation?
[04:26] <foomanchew> oranged, there used to be a sblive config
[04:26] <ricbit> yes, nat for sharing my internet connection to my mom's machine
[04:26] <robotgeek> !tell buddy about sudo
[04:26] <alek> ricbit: do you ahve 2 network cards?
[04:26] <buddy> does sudo work only for one command
[04:27] <buddy> or does it keep you as root?
[04:27] <apokryphos> buddy: you can use sudo -s
[04:27] <intelikey> only the one command
[04:27] <apokryphos> buddy: ...for the equivalent of a root shell
[04:27] <rukuartic> Question: Anyone want to help me set up ttyS4? My modem's on it and I can't use it because it only supports up to ttyS3...
[04:27] <ricbit> yes I do
[04:27] <nickrud> buddy, a sudo session lasts about 15 minutes, I think
[04:27] <ricbit> but I tried a lot of scripts with iptables and none worked. I can ping my mom's machine and she can ping me, but that's all, only pings in the internat network
[04:27] <buddy> what if i wanted it to stay root while i worked in the gui
[04:27] <intelikey> if the command is something interactive then that is running as root
[04:27] <rob_p> ricbit:  Here's a NAT how-to for Ubuntu:  http://rob.pectol.com/content/view/28/76/
[04:27] <lukins> foomanchew, when u righclick on the volume icon and choose pref, do you see both soundcards listed?
[04:27] <buddy> awesome
[04:27] <oranged> foomanchew, http://www.ubuntuforums.org/  search the forums for sblive.. theres mutiple how-tos for solving sound problems
[04:28] <alek> ricbit: try googleing for ubuntu internet gateway
[04:28] <nalioth> buddy: not a good idea to log into a gui as root. it can munge your userspace
[04:28] <alek> ricbit: there is a page that details it pretty well
[04:28] <durt> buddy: you could do sudo whatever-you-want-to-run
[04:28] <intelikey> sudo bash   is a poor mans root access.
[04:28] <robotgeek> buddy: there's probably not much u can do logged in as root
[04:28] <ricbit> thanks people, I'm going to follow the guidelines, if I find some trouble I guess I'll be back
[04:28] <alek> i bet he could do alot logged in as root
[04:28] <johnnybe1ak> intelikey: or just sudo -s :)
[04:28] <alek> like break stuff
[04:29] <alek> ricbit: good luck.
[04:29] <anthony> intelikey: Okay, I've done that and saved it.
[04:29] <intelikey> -s == shell
[04:29] <robotgeek> buddy: i meant like the gui
[04:29] <alek> intelikey: not if you don't want to use bash!
[04:29] <alek> :D
[04:29] <alek> sudo zsh!
[04:29] <intelikey> anthony: umount <mount_point_of_that_partition>
[04:29] <intelikey> anthony: then      mount <mount_point_of_that_partition>
[04:30] <buddy> durt: when i use shared folders, and i click ok it says failed to run shares-admin as user root:child terminated with 207 status
[04:30] <oranged> foomanchew, http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=44753&highlight=sblive+sound
[04:30] <johnnybe1ak> intelikey: yeah :)
[04:30] <foomanchew> oranged, thx
[04:31] <anthony> intelikey: [mntent] : line 7 in /etc/fstab is bad
[04:31] <anthony> mount: can't find /interchange in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab
[04:31] <rukuartic> Anyone got info about how to make ttyS4 work?
[04:32] <anthony> That didn't look good; what did I do?
[04:32] <buddy> has anyone else had the error while using the shared folders "filed to run shares-admin as user root: child terminated with 207 status
[04:32] <intelikey> msg me the content of /etc/fstab  line 7  anthony:
[04:33] <anthony> intelikey: /dev/sda5       /interchange    vfat    defaults        umask=000       0       0
[04:33] <anthony> Wait a minute, I was supposed to put defaults-comma-umask, wasn't I?
[04:33] <hou5ton> Is there an easy way to upgrade from Hedgehog to Badger without a reinstall?
[04:34] <nalioth> !tell hou5ton about upgrade2breezy
[04:34] <zdennis> Does anyone know what the "V" the "+"  and other symbols mean when running abcde ?
[04:34] <sportman> hey
[04:35] <sportman> i love ubuntu, but i feel so limited by its packages
[04:35] <sportman> n e suggestions
[04:35] <dabar> sportman: how so limited?
[04:35] <hou5ton> ok .... now ... if I haven't installed yet, should I go ahead and just put Badger on my laptop?
[04:35] <apokryphos> sportman: there are 16000+ packs. Limited?
[04:35] <sportman> or restricted
[04:35] <durt> buddy, you might want to put your user name after root in /etc/groups, but i dont know what im talking about
[04:35] <zdennis> like what?
[04:35] <alek> hou5ton: be aware breezy is still in development
[04:36] <hou5ton> how much longer?
[04:36] <rukuartic> hoary hedgehog sounds so wrong...
[04:36] <rukuartic> my mind's been in the gutter far too l ong.
[04:36] <alek> as long as it takes
[04:36] <buddy> durt, i have no idea how to get around this error, it looks like i have to log in as root, but ubuntu dosnt have root and i dont know how to run this as root
[04:36] <H4zn> i need serious help with ubuntu
[04:36] <apokryphos> and think it would take quite some time to warm to Dapper. Hah.
[04:37] <intelikey> gray heared porcupine = hoary hedgehog
[04:37] <Octane> anyone else here get the error of missing font "fixed" when starting X?
[04:37] <zdennis> sportman, portage [04:37] <sportman> yea
[04:37] <intelikey> err haired ^
[04:37] <sportman> lol
[04:37] <sportman> but is there a way to set something similar up
[04:37] <sportman> so i can compile everything from source?
[04:37] <zdennis> download debian source packages
[04:37] <nalioth> sportman: if you desire, yes
[04:37] <zdennis> and compile your own
[04:38] <sportman> wow this sux :( my external dvd drive can boot the unbuntu live cd
[04:38] <dabar> sportman: I dont often find that packages are not available. are you sure you have universe, and multiverse enabled?
[04:38] <sportman> but wont boot the unbuntu installer
[04:38] <yellowrose> Hi! How can i have a permission like this srwxrwxrwx? What parameters will I use with chmod?
[04:38] <sportman> anyone find that odd?
[04:38] <alek> yellowrose: 777
[04:39] <zdennis> intelikey, download them and burn them to disc?
[04:39] <gt> what the heck does alll that mean?
[04:39] <dabar> yellowrose: that is very bad, at least looks very bad. why have that?
[04:39] <gt> srxsrcsrx
[04:39] <intelikey> zdennis: on dialup ?????   lol
[04:39] <alek> means global read write execute
[04:39] <zdennis> intelikey, oh wow
[04:39] <yellowrose> alek: that would only give me rwxrwxrwx no s
[04:39] <zdennis> intelikey, that woudl suck
[04:39] <gt> i see
[04:39] <alek> yellowrose: is the s important?
[04:39] <pepsi> theres a dot on my display.. 4x4 pixels.. if i right click on the dot, i get no contextual menu, otherwise i get the desktop's context menu
[04:39] <dabar> yellowrose: why have a command with superuser powers, and rwx by all?
[04:40] <yellowrose> s is important. i am duplicating the permission in one file
[04:40] <dabar> pepsi: did you switch to ubuntu from debian?
[04:40] <alek> yellowrose: 1777
[04:40] <pepsi> no
[04:40] <bob2> yellowrose: what are you setting?
[04:40] <dabar> later.
[04:40] <pepsi> breezy though
[04:40] <gt> isnt ubuntu debian?
[04:40] <bob2> yellowrose: you're opening a very serious security hole there
[04:40] <gt> based or soemthing?
[04:40] <bob2> gt: no
[04:40] <zdennis> sportman, yes that is kind of odd
[04:40] <bob2> gt: it is based on it, indeed
[04:40] <yellowrose> alek: thanks, i'll try it now.
[04:40] <gt> so is dsl righ?
[04:40] <bob2> gt: apparently
[04:40] <alek> yellowrose: come back when you break it.   cya.
[04:40] <sportman> and they are the ones u get free from the ubuntu website
[04:40] <zdennis> you dont have an internal cd or dvd drive?
[04:40] <sportman> so i dunno wtf is up
[04:41] <sportman> no i dont
[04:41] <ricbit> people, I managed to get the nat to work, thanks for the help!
[04:41] <bob2> yellowrose: this is a very very bad idea
[04:41] <sportman> only one ide socket on my mobo
[04:41] <gt> ok so how do i instal drivers for my fx5200 guys?
[04:41] <bob2> sportman: did you see if it's ok or not?
[04:41] <gt> ive got them dled
[04:41] <robotgeek> gt: i am on dsl!
[04:41] <bob2> gt: wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[04:41] <gt> you are?
[04:41] <bob2> gt: this is in the FAQ
[04:41] <zdennis> sportman, that seems really weird, because it is your BIOS that is in charge of allowing you to boot from external devices
[04:41] <sportman> bob2 if what is ok?
[04:41] <zdennis> the boot loader on the cd doesn't care
[04:41] <robotgeek> gt: yup
[04:41] <theblue> Hi all.
[04:41] <robotgeek> hi
[04:41] <zdennis> as long as it gets called properly
[04:41] <bob2> sportman: the CD
[04:41] <theblue> Is there a specific release date for Breezy yet?
[04:41] <yellowrose> alek: 1777 did not do it rwxrwxrwt
[04:41] <sportman> and zdennis
[04:42] <intelikey> let him go let him go.... it's his box.   if he/she don't want any security on it.  that's not our problem.
[04:42] <sportman> it shows the dvd rom drive
[04:42] <bob2> theblue: there has been for 12 months
[04:42] <zdennis> did you check the md5 sum when you downloaded the iso?
[04:42] <sportman> i have booted installers through it b4
[04:42] <theblue> bob2: I mean an exact day.
[04:42] <theblue> bob2: I know its in early october.
[04:42] <sportman> like i installed gentoo yesterday
[04:42] <apokryphos> theblue: see /topic
[04:42] <sportman> using the external dvd rom drive
[04:42] <theblue> Oh.
[04:42] <zdennis> sportman, it *isn't * the installer
[04:42] <alek> yellowrose: i'm not gonna open this door...
[04:42] <bob2> intelikey: advising people who don't really know what they are doing that something is dangerous is important
[04:42] <theblue> Thank you, bob2.
[04:42] <alek> yellowrose: maybe someone else can help you
[04:43] <sportman> what isnt the installer dennis?
[04:43] <sportman> its one of the cd's that are shipped
[04:43] <sportman> its not like a bad iso file
[04:43] <bob2> sportman: it could still be damaged; check the md5sum
[04:43] <zdennis> sportman, what you are saying doesn't make any logical sense.
[04:43] <yellowrose> tried everything from 0-7 but no success
[04:43] <rukuartic> bob2: Or you could just let the problem fix it self... ;D bash...
[04:44] <zdennis> sportman, the cd is either bootable or not, if you're BIOS can boot from the device, the cd will boot
[04:44] <sportman> lol
[04:44] <sportman> dude
[04:44] <zdennis> sportman, it's not like the cd gets an option
[04:44] <sportman> simple as this
[04:44] <zdennis> sportman and decides not to boot
[04:44] <sportman> its just fucked up
[04:44] <bz0b> hey all
[04:44] <zdennis> sportman, download another iso
[04:44] <sportman> look bios sees the drive
[04:44] <apokryphos> hi
[04:44] <sportman> i have booted off the external usb drive
[04:44] <zdennis> sportman, i got that part. i think your disk is messed
[04:45] <intelikey> yes bob2 but it was said several times already, and some poeple just don't care.    me for one.  i've heard the security speaches so many times i now set my ircuser name to root just to laugh at the people that try to force me to logout of root.....   you never know what the other guy is thinking.
[04:45] <theblue> XD.
[04:45] <sportman> lol, then the website shipped me bad disks
[04:45] <theblue> intelikey: I agree with you wholly.
[04:45] <bob2> yellowrose: what are you trying to do?
[04:45] <sportman> cause it boots the live cd fine
[04:45] <bob2> sportman: so, go check the CD
[04:45] <theblue> As long as the person knows that they are doing something insecure, you should let them do it.
[04:45] <bob2> sportman: and see if that is the problem or not
[04:45] <zdennis> sportman, do you have any other computer nearby to where you could boot the cd?
[04:45] <zdennis> sportman,  just to see if it boots
[04:45] <sportman> nope
[04:45] <sportman> :(
[04:46] <sportman> stupid dvd drive on my laptop is busted
[04:46] <bob2> sportman: do you have an existing linux installation you can boot?
[04:46] <sportman> and the bios on my laptop dont support booting external usb cd drives
[04:46] <sportman> umm i did :(
[04:46] <zdennis> sportman, so you have access to 1 machine whereve you are? There is no person within a 100 yards that owns a computer that you could ask if you could see if a disk worked?
[04:46] <sportman> there is
[04:46] <sportman> but id have to leave my room
[04:46] <theblue> oy.
[04:46] <sportman> which means getting grounded
[04:47] <theblue> oy vey.
[04:47] <bz0b> argh
[04:47] <rukuartic> O_o;
[04:47] <sportman> cause im not supposed to be up past 10:00
[04:47] <sportman> lol
[04:47] <sportman> even though im 16
[04:47] <theblue> oy gevalt.
[04:47] <HrdwrBoB> past 10? damn
[04:47] <sportman> hmm
[04:47] <sportman> yea
[04:47] <rukuartic> sportman: so you're eastern?
[04:47] <sportman> yes
[04:47] <HrdwrBoB> sportman: your problem is not a technical one
[04:47] <sportman> what is it?
[04:47] <bob2> sportman: then tommorow you can check if the CD is ok or not
[04:48] <HrdwrBoB> sportman: a logistical one
[04:48] <sportman> y so?
[04:49] <johnnybe1ak> sportman: life's a bitch hey :)
[04:49] <theblue> johnnybe1ak: Language, plizz.
[04:49] <othernoob> for some reason i believe it's not just logistical...
[04:49] <johnnybe1ak> theblue: sorry mate :)
[04:50] <sportman> damn id kick u
[04:50] <sportman> im used to being op[
[04:50] <sportman> ;-P
[04:50] <sportman> lol
[04:50] <theblue> johnnybe1ak: S'ok.
[04:50] <alek> night all
[04:50] <sportman> not on freenode though
[04:50] <sportman> lol
[04:50] <johnnybe1ak> sportman: i was only mucking round :)
[04:50] <sportman> ;)
[04:50] <gt> could someone walk em through installign the linux drivers from nvidia.com
[04:50] <theblue> Isn't that in multiverse?
[04:50] <vladuz976> how can i get rid of gdm and use startx to log in?
[04:51] <bob2> gt: please just read the wiki page I pointed you at
[04:51] <zdennis> sportman, you would kick him from the room because he said life's a bit?
[04:51] <rukuartic> Anywho... does anyone have advice about switching from windows to linux? I'm doing it... and the biggest problem i'm having is not being able to access the net.
[04:51] <bob2> vladuz976: sudo rm /etc/rc2.d/S*gdm ; sudo invoke-rc.d gdm stop
[04:51] <gt> then dont switch
[04:51] <gt> use both
[04:51] <theblue> rukuartic: Hang on.
[04:51] <vladuz976> bob2, that leaves it on the system but doesn't use it?
[04:51] <wmknox> If possible, could someone help me with some issues I'm having with sound?
[04:52] <rukuartic> gt: I wanna learn linux... its gonna come to the point where I don't want to run the nasty crap MS is putting out.
[04:52] <bob2> vladuz976: yes
[04:52] <bob2> wmknox: it's easier if you just ask your question straight up
[04:52] <apokryphos> vladuz976: you can just manually remove the package, if you really have to.
[04:52] <johnnybe1ak> zdennis: he was only mucking round i think
[04:52] <sportman> guess what it was the cd that they sent me
[04:52] <theblue> rukuartic: /msg me and I'll give you lots of info.
[04:52] <vladuz976> apokryphos, i can keep it if bob2 's method works
[04:52] <apokryphos> sure
[04:52] <sportman> i found another copy in my 3 spindles of 50 cd;s
[04:52] <sportman> it works
[04:52] <Orunitia> How can I mount a ntfs drive from a live cd?
[04:53] <intelikey> invoke-rc.d  hmmmmm when was that added ?   or is it a deb config script ?
[04:53] <h0sl3r> Anyone know of any good sock 5 proxy?
[04:53] <Orunitia> sportman: well I just need to read it, not write
[04:53] <wmknox> I have a sound card, an Audiotrak Maya 7.1 that isn't detected or supported apparently, as device manager displays it as unknown. So I switched to internal sound, which I can hear output, but many applications won't give any sound at all.
[04:53] <sportman> hmm
[04:53] <sportman> are u booted now?
[04:54] <Orunitia> yes. well, I'm trying to help a friend
[04:54] <intelikey> did you "man mount " ?
[04:54] <rukuartic> theblue: can you see my /msg?
[04:54] <bob2> intelikey: maybe 6 years ago?
[04:54] <theblue> rukuartic: You didn't say anything.
[04:55] <theblue> rukuartic: You need to do /msg TheBlue and then your message.
[04:55] <rukuartic> theblue: ... gah.
[04:55] <johnnybe1ak> does anyone know the syntax for imagemagick's resize off the top of their head im struggling with the (inadequate) man page
[04:55] <johnnybe1ak> does anyone know the syntax for imagemagick's resize off the top of their head im struggling with the (inadequate) man page
[04:55] <intelikey> bob2: ah then it is a deb config script.
[04:55] <rukuartic> theblue: GAIM isn't the best for IRC. But its all I've got.
[04:55] <sportman> hmm
[04:55] <sportman> lets see
[04:55] <theblue> rukuartic: I see.
[04:55] <bob2> wtf
[04:55] <robotgeek> rukuartic: what abt irssi or schat?
[04:55] <theblue> ruku is on Windoze.
[04:55] <rukuartic> robotgeek: dialup on windows.
[04:55] <theblue> He wants to switch.
[04:55] <theblue> OY!
[04:55] <theblue> Dialup?
[04:55] <rukuartic> T_T;
[04:55] <theblue> rukuartic: Please tell me its not AOHell.
[04:56] <rukuartic> theblue: I'm not that unl33t.
[04:56] <theblue> rukuartic: Whew.
[04:56] <nickrud> intelikey, more like a generally accepted tool for debian to use
[04:56] <pr0tocol> whats going on people
[04:56] <robotgeek> rukuartic: :)
[04:56] <pr0tocol> :)
[04:56] <theblue> rukuartic: Got AIM?
[04:56] <theblue> rukuartic: or ICQ?
[04:56] <theblue> rukuartic: Or any of those fun things?
[04:56] <geyzer> ls
[04:56] <rob_> where can i find an FAQ for evolution?
[04:56] <rukuartic> theblue: Running w2k sp4... 8th reformat so far... my HD keeps on failing.
[04:56] <rukuartic> theblue: AIM me at RukuArtic
[04:56] <theblue> rukuartic: Ok.
[04:56] <pr0tocol> listen, guys, I have a question.  I ALMOST got X working on Breezy but I'm still getting one error
[04:57] <pr0tocol> its telling me /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/libfb.a:fbmmx.o  NO SYMBOLS FOUND (what does this mean?)
[04:57] <intelikey> nickrud: that's what i said.   like mcc is a mdk config script   and  anaconda is a rh install script.    it is distro specific.
[04:58] <pr0tocol> and that /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions/libdri.a is unresolved
[04:58] <robotgeek> pr0tocol: it's better to paste the whole /var/log/xorg.log to pastebin
[04:58] <pr0tocol> any ideas?
[04:58] <robotgeek> pr0tocol: disable dri and try again
[04:58] <pr0tocol> hmm
[04:58] <pr0tocol> ok
[04:58] <nickrud> intelikey, more like a tool one of those would use. So that anyone making a config script knows everyone else is using the same tool.
[04:58] <Kytten> hi
[04:59] <Kytten> can anybody helps me to find my modem chipset
[04:59] <pr0tocol> robotgeek: nope
[04:59] <intelikey> semantics.
[04:59] <nevyn> Kytten: run lspci using the livecd?
[04:59] <vladuz976> bob2: can you explain the command you gaveto me to stop gdm real fast?
[04:59] <pr0tocol> robotgeek: think I should disable GLCore too?
[04:59] <Kytten> i tried the scanmodem script and it gave me this smartlinck dirvers support this modem 10B9:545A  ALI545A SL1801
[05:00] <jjazz> I would like to use a key combo other than alt-tab to switch windows.  Is this possible in Gnome?
[05:00] <Kytten> does that's helps
[05:00] <cyphase> why is it that for some wmv files, totem plays only video and VLC plays only audio?
[05:00] <robotgeek> johnnybe1ak: try convert --help | less
[05:00] <wmknox> I don't suppouse anyone can help me then?
[05:00] <bob2> vladuz976: it didn't work?
[05:00] <robotgeek> pr0tocol: keep that on there, and if it fails, remove it too :)
[05:00] <intelikey> vladuz976: /etc/init.d/gdm stop    will stop gdm too.
[05:00] <vladuz976> bob2: it did, but i just wanna know what it did, to understand
[05:01] <pr0tocol> robotgeek: well I tried both...and no luck... I'm wondering what could be the problem.  I'm seeing the NVIDIA logo with a quick flash but then it just dies.
[05:01] <bimberi> jjazz: sure, System -> Prefs -> Keyboard Shortcuts
[05:01] <bob2> vladuz976: first bit removed gdm fro mthe boot system, second stopped the currently running copy
[05:01] <cef> well, apart from Xorg being confused with my video setup, breezy upgrade went well
[05:01] <robotgeek> pr0tocol: can u post the xorg.log?
[05:02] <pr0tocol> robotgeek: how do I do that?
[05:02] <vladuz976> bob2: thanks, cool, how is that different from what intelikey told me?
[05:02] <putnamehere>  I dont understand. When i click on network, it asks me to log in, what am i supposed to login to, i tried root/pass and user/pass and it just keeps bringing up the log in any ideas?
[05:03] <intelikey> in the actually stopping of the running gdm it isn't different vladuz976
[05:03] <bob2> vladuz976: I don't know what intelikey said
[05:03] <bob2> putnamehere: "click on network"?
[05:03] <jjazz> bimberi, ok... I'm seriously stupid.  I looked through the list of things I could change and didn't see it.  Then you told me to look there, so I looked again and found it.  Thanks.
[05:03] <intelikey> vladuz976: /etc/init.d/gdm stop    will stop gdm too.
[05:03] <intelikey> ^
[05:03] <SymGeosis> putnamehere, try your password for your current account.
[05:03] <Kytten> guys anybody help me pls
[05:04] <putnamehere> bob2, i click on places-network servers
[05:04] <bimberi> jjazz: sometimes you just need to know that it *is* there :)
[05:04] <robotgeek> pr0tocol: one moment
[05:04] <putnamehere> symgosis, i tired both current accout and root
[05:04] <bob2> Kytten: so install the smartlink drivers
[05:04] <Kytten> i don't know it
[05:04] <bob2> Kytten: then say that
[05:04] <bob2> instead of making vague comments
[05:04] <Kytten> and i don't from where to get it
[05:04] <jjazz> bimberi, yep.  I'm coming into this box via FreeNX from a Windows machine, and every time I hit alt-tab, it pops me out to Windows.  Now I can alt-grave between windows.  And I thank you for that.
[05:04] <Kytten> i tried the scanmodem script and it gave me this smartlinck dirvers support this modem 10B9:545A  ALI545A SL1801
[05:04] <SymGeosis> putnamehere, unless you changed your sudo password it should be your current password.
[05:05] <bob2> ignore scanmodem, whatever that is
[05:05] <bimberi> jjazz: hp :)
[05:05] <Kytten> that's what i got , and i can't figure out what is that
[05:05] <bimberi> jjazz: *np :)
[05:05] <SymGeosis> putnamehere, just your password.
[05:05] <jjazz> :)
[05:05] <mazeman> hi, I am looking for a VPN client (IPSEC,PSK) is there any for ubuntu?
[05:05] <putnamehere> symgosis, i changed my sudo password, but it is the same as my current user, would that make a diffrent
[05:05] <bob2> Kytten: http://ubuntuguide.org/#installsmartlinkdriver
[05:05] <bob2> you can't change your "sudo password"
[05:05] <vladuz976> is ubuntu pretty good about recognizing hardware of soundcards. coz my microphone thing doesn't work
[05:05] <putnamehere> symgeosis, i used my pas and it comes up agian and agian
[05:05] <gt> how do i turn of x windows?
[05:05] <gt> so i can instal the nvidia drivers?
[05:05] <bob2> gt: dude
[05:06] <Madpilot> !nvidia
[05:06] <ubotu> nvidia is, like, totally, at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia
[05:06] <gt> does it say there?
[05:06] <bob2> gt: wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[05:06] <pr0tocol> gt, just hit ctrl-alt-F2
[05:06] <bob2> gt: you do not need to stop X
[05:06] <jjazz> mazeman, I believe ipsec is available, as I have a colleague at work who uses it with Ubuntu and I don't think he built it himself or anything like that.
[05:06] <gt> the drivers tell em i do
[05:06] <bob2> gt: read that page already, you could have been done by now
[05:06] <jjazz> mazeman, Try apt-cache search ipse
[05:06] <SymGeosis> putnamehere, that's odd then.
[05:06] <bob2> gt: wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[05:06] <durt> do the nvidia binaries work better than nvidia-glx?
[05:06] <jjazz> mazeman: *ipsec even
[05:06] <bob2> durt: no
[05:06] <durt> k
[05:06] <putnamehere> symgeosis, it does it with both of my ubuntu machines
[05:06] <vladuz976> bob2: what is the command to start gnome?
[05:06] <bob2> durt: sometimes they're needed for newer hardware, but not often
[05:06] <bob2> vladuz976: startx...
[05:07] <cef> anyone got any hints on getting generic chipset tv cards that don't have a card ID going?
 you can't change your "sudo password" <---- are you saying that there is no way to change the password of the primary users account ?
[05:07] <vladuz976> bob2: no, i have englightenment in my .xinitrc
[05:07] <pr0tocol> geez...this one little problem...almost have it fixed and something is fscking me up..
[05:07] <mazeman> jjazz: thx , but I was looking for a GUI ... ubuntu has OpenSwan available but the setup is hard
[05:07] <vladuz976> bob2: i just don't know the executable for gnome
[05:07] <cyphase> why is it that for some wmv files, totem plays only video and VLC plays only audio?
[05:07] <SymGeosis> putnamehere, all dialogue boxes for passwords are an extension of sudo. So whatever your password is for sudo, it should be the same.
[05:07] <bob2> vladuz976: a) don't use .xinitrc, b) startx gnome-session
[05:07] <bob2> intelikey: of course you can, but "sudo password" makes no sense
[05:07] <nalioth> vladuz976: gnome-session, i believe
[05:07] <vladuz976> bob2: oh wait it should say in my /usr/share/xsession/gnome.desktop file
[05:08] <jjazz> mazeman, Depending on what you're trying to accomplish, freenx might be what you need.  (I'm using it now to remotely get into a box across town)
[05:08] <putnamehere> symgeois, thas what i thought, but it dosnt work, sudo from the command line works fine, andi can log in as root, but from the network popup it dosnt work
[05:08] <intelikey> sudo passwd  makes sense  :)
[05:08] <jjazz> mazeman, It's not VNC, though.
[05:08] <jjazz> mazeman, It's a different protocol.
[05:08] <steveO_Office> Thanks alot for the links on the ndiswrapper got it working I was missing the correct drivers grrrrr realtek WTF google is are friend....
[05:08] <wmknox> I have a sound card, an Audiotrak Maya 7.1 that isn't detected or supported apparently, as device manager displays it as unknown. So I switched to internal sound, which I can hear output, but many applications won't give any sound at all. - Can anyone help me at all?
[05:09] <bob2> Kytten: do not /msg me
[05:09] <mazeman> jjazz, i'll check it out thx
[05:09] <pr0tocol> I have the worst luck in history, I tell ya..
[05:09] <bob2> Kytten: if you have a problem understanding those instructions, explain which bit is cofusing, in here
[05:09] <Kytten> i couldent find smartlink driver on that page u gave me
[05:10] <Kytten> can u give me the plug
[05:10] <SymGeosis> putnamehere, try starting it from the command line. Only first use the command sudo -s
[05:10] <Kytten> do download that driver
[05:10] <jjazz> mazeman, if you want to apt-get it, you'll need to add deb http://ubuntulinux.nl/ / to your sources.  And then on the client side, you'll need to download the .deb client from the nomachine website.
[05:10] <bob2> Kytten: no, read that page again
[05:10] <pr0tocol> bob2: you know anything about a "/usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions/libdri.a is unresolved" error?
[05:10] <bob2> Kytten: it goes to EXACTLY the right section of the page
[05:10] <bob2> pr0tocol: that sounds like someone installed broken stuff from outside ubuntu
[05:11] <steveO_Office> Now that we got this working on my test laptop we will load Ubuntu on my production laptop hehe the ? is will I end up having THurs. off lol
[05:11] <pr0tocol> outside ubuntu?
[05:11] <drfunk> real quick - anyone know a good walkthrew of using ndiswrapper or an easier way of running my wifi broadcom setup on my zd7000 pavilion?
[05:11] <steveO_Office> drfunk, yes just got it going
[05:12] <bob2> drfunk: is it too late to get a refund?
[05:12] <SymGeosis> drfunk, the ubunti wiki is pretty good.
[05:12] <bob2> if so, read the wiki
[05:12] <bimberi> ubotu tell drfunk about ndiswrapper
[05:12] <pr0tocol> bob2: when you say 'outside ubuntu', are you referring to the possibity of a manual install of some sort?
[05:12] <jjazz> drfunk, the man page is pretty good, btw
[05:12] <bob2> pr0tocol: or non-main packages
[05:12] <Yawgmoth7> Im having trouble installing something called flex, im trying to install it because something called libpcap said it needed it
[05:12] <intelikey> wiki == ?
[05:12] <bob2> drfunk: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SetupNdiswrapperHowto
[05:12] <Yawgmoth7> Here is the error that libpcap gave me
[05:12] <steveO_Office> drfunk, if you wish pm me and I can walk you though it
[05:12] <bob2> Yawgmoth7: why are you compiling libpcap?
[05:13] <bob2> Yawgmoth7: do not paste in here
[05:13] <pr0tocol> bob2: I just did an "apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade" and I got that error
[05:13] <pr0tocol> right after I tried to start X
[05:13] <bob2> pr0tocol: on breezy? using binary X drivers?
[05:13] <Yawgmoth7> o_O
[05:13] <Yawgmoth7> What
[05:13] <bob2> Yawgmoth7: why on earth are you compiling libpcap?
[05:13] <drfunk> does ubuntu have the kernel source already installed   thats my main question because if not then its like fedora and suse and needs it installed - the reason I thought it would be better is because I thought it came with the source installed
[05:13] <bob2> Yawgmoth7: it's in ubuntu already, as is flex, as is probably whatever thing you're really trying to compile
[05:14] <bob2> Yawgmoth7: so, take a step back and tell us what you're trying to do
[05:14] <mik3> wooooot
[05:14] <pr0tocol> bob2: yup on breezy.  I removed the nvidia-glx drivers and installed them again.  I get the NVIDIA logo when I startx, but it just flashes and goes bye-bye
[05:14] <Yawgmoth7> Ok hold on real quick
[05:14] <bob2> pr0tocol: file a bug if no on else has
[05:14] <bob2> drfunk: no, it does not have it installed, since it would be pointless
[05:14] <bob2> drfunk: why would you want the kernel source?
[05:14] <steveO_Office> drfunk, just apt-get ndisrwapper thin install your winshit drivers
[05:14] <ch3o> _)
[05:15] <pr0tocol> hmm...what to do, what to do
[05:15] <Toma-> is there a weird permissions thing with sudo and /proc? i get a permission denied when i try to change a /proc file
[05:15] <pr0tocol> I'm screwed...
[05:15] <jjazz> pr0tocol, do you have nonstandard repositories in your /etc/apt/sources.list?
[05:15] <bob2> pr0tocol: file a bug, or breezy will be release and not be usable
[05:15] <bob2> Toma-: and the name of the file is...
[05:15] <Toma-> /proc/asound/card0/pcm0p/oss
[05:15] <bob2> Toma-: let me guess, 'sudo echo something >  /proc/asound/card0/pcm0p/oss'?
[05:15] <pr0tocol> jjazz: nope.  All I have are ubuntu reps including ubuntu backports
[05:15] <Toma-> thats the one
[05:16] <pr0tocol> from hoary, though.
[05:16] <Kytten> i have another broblem bob2 once i start ubuntu it's dosent fit whol screen it's gives me half the desktop and somtimes works good and and my desktop shaking (my desktop not fitting the whol screen just half)
[05:16] <bob2> Toma-: that runs echo with root priveleges, but it's your shell that does the actual redirection
[05:16] <bob2> Toma-: echo something | sudo tee /proc/asound/blah
[05:16] <Kiwi__> Anybody here ever made any klik cmgs?
[05:16] <bob2> is "lkik cgs" really a phrase?
[05:16] <Toma-> thanks bob2
[05:16] <Yawgmoth7> Ok
[05:16] <steveO_Office> ubuntu blow the Fuck out of suse wow How sweet it is....
[05:16] <Yawgmoth7> Im trying to install ethereal
[05:16] <jjazz> pr0tocol, I don't know much about backports (I'm a long-time Debian user whose been using Ubuntu for a few weeks).  Could using backports packages cause incompatibilities?
[05:16] <Kiwi__> bob2 - i like to think it is
[05:17] <bob2> steveO_Office: language, please
[05:17] <steveO_Office> :)
[05:17] <bob2> Yawgmoth7: ethereal is in ubuntu, you don't need to compile it
[05:17] <Yawgmoth7> >:(
[05:17] <pr0tocol> jjazz: I really doubt it, being that it's backports from the actual distro.
[05:17] <bob2> Yawgmoth7: remove all the source just got, then run 'sudo aptitude install ethereal'
[05:17] <pr0tocol> jjazz: had it been from another distro, maybe
[05:17] <bob2> Yawgmoth7: basically everything is in ubuntu, you very rarely need to compile anything
[05:17] <Yawgmoth7> Thank you, i really dont know much about linux
[05:17] <kosha> Anyone know how I can speed up the DNS lookup in Ubuntu? It is incredibly slow
[05:17] <kosha> I can go to sites quickly if I know the ip
[05:17] <jjazz> pr0tocol, ok.  Like I said, I'm not fully clear on what the backports repository is for.
[05:17] <Toma-> works great... bob2, u tha man ;)
[05:17] <kosha> but it takes forever if i have to type in the domain name
[05:17] <thewayofzen> anyone able to help me get  artwiz fonts working
[05:18] <thewayofzen> i did sudo apt-get install xfonts-artwiz
[05:18] <nullman_> noob question... i just installed ubuntu for the first time; i don't remember entering a root password; is there a default one? do i need to boot from a cd and chroot to set it?
[05:18] <thewayofzen> they are installed just not showing up anywhere
[05:18] <bob2> kosha: about:config, try disabling ipv6 lookups
[05:18] <pr0tocol> jjazz: just extrax 'stuff'.
[05:18] <bob2> nullman_: wuki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo
[05:18] <bob2> nullman_: the installer explained it as part of the install
[05:18] <jjazz> bob2, One thing that's apparently not in Ubuntu is SWAT.  I know there's a file-sharing dialog in the GUI, but I can't find a printer-sharing option.  Am I missing something or do I need to edit the smb.conf by hand?
[05:18] <sambagirl> how do you make a  channel private i foget now
[05:19] <ubuntu> i'm a new user
[05:19] <sambagirl> forgot how
[05:19] <bob2> jjazz: swat is in ubuntu
[05:19] <bob2> sambagirl: /mode #channel +s
[05:19] <Yawgmoth7> Thanks for the help bob2
[05:19] <kosha> bob2, well in every app the dns lookup is slow, such as when I loaded up xchat it took a long time to connect to irc.freenode.net whereas usually its like a 2 or 3 second time
[05:19] <glyn> Is there anyone out there who can help me install captive?
[05:19] <intelikey> nullman_: if you want a root password you can "sudo passwd " and set one.
[05:19] <glyn> it's a program for writing on NTFS
[05:19] <sambagirl> i is for invite, no?
[05:19] <pr0tocol> why?!?!?!?!?!?
[05:20] <poyie> hi
[05:20] <jjazz> bob2, well, then, I must be doing something else wrong.  Thanks for the info.
[05:20] <nullman_> bob2: thanks, i'm reading now; i was pretty tired when i installed, so i'm not surprised i missed it; also you mean wiki... not wuki... ;-)
[05:20] <nalioth> glyn: we dont recommend it
[05:20] <bob2> sambagirl: http://freenode.net/using_the_network.shtml
[05:20] <nullman_> intelikey: ok, thx
[05:20] <poyie> bob
[05:20] <glyn> nailoth:My NTFS drive is already down, I'm trying to get it back up by deleting unnecessary files
[05:20] <intelikey> np
[05:20] <bob2> pr0tocol: file a bug!
[05:20] <poyie> can i as \k u smthing
[05:20] <ubuntu> sambagirl?
[05:20] <pr0tocol> bob2: It's already filed
[05:20] <pr0tocol> :P
[05:20] <bob2> pr0tocol: and not fixed yet?
[05:20] <sambagirl> yes ubunty?
[05:20] <bob2> poyie: if you have a question, just ask it
[05:20] <nalioth> glyn: writing to NTFS (even with captive) can kill the rest off
[05:20] <sambagirl> '/mode #channel +1
[05:20] <sambagirl> right?
[05:21] <sambagirl> for invite?
[05:21] <sambagirl> +i
[05:21] <sambagirl> ii mean
[05:21] <nalioth> sambagirl: /msg chanserv help
[05:21] <ubuntu> who know a spanish channel
[05:21] <sambagirl> ok
[05:21] <bimberi> !es
[05:21] <ubotu> Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #ubuntu-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda.
[05:21] <poyie> how to view webcam in ubuntu?
[05:21] <intelikey> nullman_: the server install option does ask for a root password, but most of these guys don't seem to know that....
[05:21] <pr0tocol> bob2: well, If I can report a bug and get instant response to the problem...Ubuntu would be Gods amongst Gods
[05:21] <apokryphos> sambagirl: for invite-onlly, yes.
[05:21] <pr0tocol> I don't think anyone works THAT fast, now. ;)
[05:21] <sambagirl> gracias
[05:21] <sambagirl> chao
[05:22] <nalioth> sambagirl: chao?
[05:22] <windex> pr0tocol, please name a list of commercial vendors who provide that service, because i am going to break into their offices and steal their time machine
[05:22] <jjazz> Is there generally one-to-one correspondence between Debian packages and Ubuntu packages?  I mean if Debian has a package called swat, should I expect Ubuntu to have it?
[05:22] <bob2> jjazz: yes
[05:22] <bob2> jjazz: /msg dpkg repositories
[05:22] <bob2> jjazz: that may be your problem
[05:22] <nullman_> intelikey: got ya; i'm a long time debian user, first time ubuntu user, and i've got to admit it deserves all the praise i've heard about it
[05:22] <sambagirl> sorry ubuntu no messages are going thru
[05:22] <apokryphos> bob2: ubot ;-)
[05:22] <pr0tocol> windex: lol wish I knew
[05:22] <nullman_> it just needs more packages
[05:22] <apokryphos> *ubotu
[05:22] <sambagirl> i not registered or something.
[05:22] <bob2> bah
[05:23] <glyn> Nailoth:I'm willing to accept the risks
[05:23] <robotgeek> nullman_: more packages??
[05:23] <jjazz> bob2, ok.  apt-cache search swat on my debian box shows me a package called swat.  On my ubuntu box, it doesn't.  I can't figure out what I'm missing here.
[05:23] <sambagirl> chao
[05:23] <nalioth> sambagirl: exactly, you're not identified
[05:23] <bob2> nullman_: I'd be surprised if ubuntu is missing any package from debian
[05:23] <bob2> jjazz: /msg ubotu repositories
[05:23] <nalioth> sambagirl: chao?
[05:23] <sambagirl> i knowing who i am nalith
[05:23] <bob2> jjazz: unsupported packages from debian are in the universe section
[05:23] <sambagirl> nalioth
[05:23] <intelikey> nullman_: cool,   i wasn't impressed, but i'm glad you like it.
[05:23] <sambagirl> brb
[05:23] <poyie> where i can find different linux command?
[05:24] <nullman_> robotgeek, bob2: well, then i must not have enough sources listed, or maybe i need to use apt-cache
[05:24] <jjazz> bob2, thanks
[05:24] <intelikey> poyie: ls /*bin
[05:24] <Yawgmoth7> bob2, typing sudo aptitude install ethereal dosent work it says that it Couldn't find any package whose name or description matched "ethereal"
[05:24] <nalioth> !tell poyie about cli
[05:24] <robotgeek> !tell nullman about repos
[05:24] <HrdwrBoB> !tell Yawgmoth7 about repos
[05:24] <apokryphos> ubotu: tell poyie about commands
[05:24] <pr0tocol> hey
[05:24] <rukuartic> !tell rukuartic about commands
[05:24] <rukuartic> doh...
[05:24] <rukuartic> !tell rukuartic about tell
[05:25] <robotgeek> :)
[05:25] <sambagirl> -s remove secret thingy no?
[05:25] <pr0tocol> is it necessary to have OPTION "UseFBDev"   "true" there?
[05:25] <apokryphos> sambagirl: yes
[05:25] <kosha> Yeah, my ping time to google is 97ms, its usually 20-30 under Windows....anyone have a solution?
[05:25] <flodine> hows breezy yall
[05:25] <pr0tocol> bob2: know anything about that
[05:25] <pr0tocol> flodine: giving me hell ;) but fixable
[05:26] <flodine> lol
[05:26] <cef> flodine: seems fine.. had to reconfig xorg once installed, but otherwise ok
[05:26] <nullman_> !tell nullman_ about repos
[05:26] <robotgeek> pr0tocol: did u try 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg'
[05:26] <durt> pr0tocol: try posting at nvnews
[05:26] <sambagirl> so if i do /whois sambagirl i can see i am in this thing or not?
[05:26] <sambagirl> oh nevermind i do review
[05:26] <intelikey> nullman_: if you don't mind my asking, what exactly about ub do you like so well ?    just curious.
[05:27] <pr0tocol> robotgeek: I prefer just editing the /etc/X11/xorg.conf :P
[05:27] <cef> robotgeek: if only xorg could get my laptop screen res/sync/refresh correct
[05:27] <pr0tocol> same crap different toilet
[05:27] <robotgeek> pr0tocol: :)
[05:27] <whyameye> I'm can't get Pd to work with MIDI. Anybody have an experience with either?
[05:27] <robotgeek> cef: if you set it, does it not respect it?
[05:27] <poyie> how about the differnt function?
[05:27] <kosha> How do I install a .deb package that I downloaded?
[05:28] <bob2> Yawgmoth7: the bot just told you how to fix that
[05:28] <robotgeek> kosha: dpkg -i <file.deb> ,
[05:28] <intelikey> poyie: functions ?
[05:28] <robotgeek> kosha: but, see if it is there in the ubuntu repos first
[05:28] <TraceGreen> Hello, does Ubuntu liveCd contain backup tool such as partimage?
[05:28] <cef> robotgeek: yeah but I shouldn't have to set it here
[05:28] <durt> pr0tocol: did you comment out load "dri" and load "GLcore"?
[05:28] <bob2> TraceGreen: you can install anything you like on it, if you have enough ram
[05:28] <robotgeek> cef: your laptop sync, the defaults don't work?
[05:29] <Kytten> i have another broblem bob2 once i start ubuntu it's dosent fit whol screen it's gives me half the desktop and somtimes works good and and my desktop shaking (my desktop not fitting the whol screen just half)
[05:29] <TraceGreen> bob2, Do you mean i can apt-get install in liveCD?
[05:29] <cef> robotgeek: had to set.. Option "IgnoreEDID"; HorizSync 29-57; VertRefresh 43-60
[05:29] <pr0tocol> durt: yup
[05:29] <cef>  .. before it works
[05:29] <nalioth> TraceGreen: yes you can
[05:29] <TraceGreen> thanks all!
[05:29] <thewayofzen> ok try again.. did everything in the ubuntuguide.org  .. still not able to get xfonts-artwiz to work.
[05:29] <cef> robotgeek: nvidia driver though.. not nv
[05:29] <pr0tocol> durt: nothing to do with it, though.  Even before all that the NVIDIA logo was appearing.
[05:29] <bob2> TraceGreen: yes
[05:29] <zdennis> does symlinks and NFS not play well together?
[05:29] <durt> pr0tocol: what model card do you have?
[05:29] <bob2> thewayofzen: define "work"
[05:29] <pr0tocol> durt: it is saying something about the libfb.a
[05:30] <robotgeek> cef: dunno anything about nvidia, sorry!
[05:30] <nalioth> thewayofzen: ubuntuguide is not the preferred tome
[05:30] <bob2> zdennis: they're resolved on the client
[05:30] <zdennis> I have a nfs share with a symlink in it, but on my nfs client it tries to intrepret the symlink locally
[05:30] <pr0tocol> durt: GeForce 5600 FX
[05:30] <zdennis> bah! that sucks
[05:30] <bob2> zdennis: that's how nfs works
[05:30] <zdennis> bob2, any ideas how to get around that?
[05:30] <thewayofzen> bob2,  they dont show up in any of the font selection menus.. nor are they recognised in styles
[05:30] <zdennis> hardlink?
[05:30] <zdennis> lol
[05:30] <cef> robotgeek: and it screwed up an upgrade of the previous config (which worked, and had the same options)
[05:30] <bob2> zdennis: this is how filesystems work
[05:30] <bob2> zdennis: what are yo utrying to do?
[05:30] <zdennis> it is not how all filesystems work
[05:30] <thewayofzen> !faq
[05:30] <ubotu> faq is, like, totally, The Ubuntu FAQ Guide: select System -> Help (in Breezy)
[05:31] <bob2> thewayofzen: then you need to edit /etc/fonts/local.conf and enable bitmap fonts
[05:31] <zdennis> ln -s /var/www/website /home/zdennis/nfs-share/website
[05:31] <robotgeek> cef: the older xorg.conf should be backed up in the same directory with xorg.conf.mmddyyyy
[05:31] <bob2> zdennis: which unix network filesystems don't work like that?
[05:31] <zdennis> and then i share /home/zdennis/nfs-share
[05:31] <thewayofzen> bob2, that sounds complicated?
[05:31] <bob2> thewayofzen: not really
[05:31] <durt> pr0tocol: you might find help at http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/forumdisplay.php?f=14 since i have no clue :)
[05:31] <intelikey> zdennis: might alter the symlink to reletive path
[05:31] <bz0b> so bob2 when the final release comes out, and i get all the new updates, when i ctrl alt f2 or something, instead of saying breezy development, will it change to like breezy final release or something?
[05:31] <nullman_> intelikey: well, i like it's simplicity and easy install; i like that it uses apt and so in theory i can always easily upgrade it; i liked how easy it was to config
[05:31] <cute_bettong> is it safe to use hoary repos with breezy?
[05:31] <thewayofzen> bob2,  im guessing google "enable bitmap fonts linux"
[05:32] <bob2> zdennis: point the symlink at the location it's mounted at then
[05:32] <cef> robotgeek: basically EDID on this laptop doesn't seem to return the right values, so it assumes the refresh rate is wrong
[05:32] <bob2> thewayofzen: no, read the file
[05:32] <bob2> cute_bettong: why would you do that?
[05:32] <robotgeek> cute_bettong: why would u do that? i don't think that is possible
[05:32] <bob2> bz0b: yeah
[05:32] <glyn> when I'm downloading packages how do I get rid of the Ubuntu 5.04 _Hoary Hedgehog_ - Release i386 (20050407)
[05:32] <cute_bettong> i want mplayer and gkrellm
[05:32] <glyn> in drive /cdrom/?
[05:32] <intelikey> k ty for replying nullman_   :)
[05:32] <nalioth> cute_bettong: why would you want to?
[05:32] <cute_bettong> and for some reason they arn't in my repos
[05:32] <cef> robotgeek: I've restored the config (the only change was adding those values)
[05:32] <robotgeek> cute_bettong: mplayer is in breezy
[05:32] <zdennis> bob2, iirc samba doesn't act this way with symlinks
[05:32] <glyn> please insert the CD rom thing
[05:32] <nalioth> cute_bettong: patience
[05:32] <glyn> how do I get rid of that?
[05:32] <zdennis> but i may be wrong, i will double check
[05:32] <cute_bettong> not in mine
[05:32] <robotgeek> cef: hmm. no clue!
[05:33] <jjazz> glyn, is the cd in your /etc/apt/sources.list?
[05:33] <robotgeek> cute_bettong: hey, i am on powerpc and mplayer is installed :)
[05:33] <cute_bettong> theres alot of stuff missing from my repos with breezy that i can't get
[05:33] <cute_bettong> O_o
[05:33] <zdennis> ah, darnit.... it isn't nfs's fault
[05:33] <cute_bettong> then something is wrong here
[05:33] <zdennis> crap...it's samba fault
[05:33] <zdennis> i had things bassackwards
[05:33] <cute_bettong> when i first instsalled breezy
[05:33] <zdennis> will try nfs =)
[05:33] <cute_bettong> something commented out all of the repos
[05:33] <cute_bettong> i had to manually uncomment them
[05:33] <nalioth> cute_bettong: breezy is broken until oct 13
[05:33] <glyn> yes, thanks I'll get rid of it
[05:33] <bob2> zdennis: samba doesn't do symlinks at all
[05:34] <robotgeek> cute_bettong: guess u gotta wait!
[05:34] <jjazz> glyn, then do apt-get update
[05:34] <bob2> cute_bettong: what do you think is missing?
[05:34] <cef> robotgeek: meh.. just wish someone would add more 1440 x 900 modes with lower refresh rates
[05:34] <pr0tocol> brb guys
[05:34] <pr0tocol> think I found a solution >:)
[05:34] <cute_bettong> oh um ok so let me see if i have this right the repo's for all the good stuff are busted as well?
[05:34] <bob2> cute_bettong: "good stuff"?
[05:34] <apokryphos> cute_bettong: what exactly are you having a problem with?
[05:34] <robotgeek> cute_bettong: nope, a few packages won't build...
[05:34] <bob2> you mean random unsupported illegally distributed binary junk?
[05:34] <bob2> quite possibly
[05:35] <cute_bettong> yea like mplayer and gkrellm?
[05:35] <bob2> cute_bettong: both of them are in ubuntu
[05:35] <bob2> I wish people would stop pointing apt at random crap
[05:35] <cute_bettong> i know this
[05:35] <HrdwrBoB> mplayer is in the repository
[05:35] <nalioth> bob2: it makes life interesting, no?
[05:35] <apokryphos> cute_bettong: so what's the problem?
[05:36] <cute_bettong> but when i search for mplayer i get "mga-vid-source" as the pacage
[05:36] <cute_bettong> not mplayer
[05:36] <bob2> cute_bettong: perhaps you didn't enable nmulitverse for breezy then?
[05:36] <apokryphos> ubotu: tell cute_bettong about mplayer
[05:36] <cute_bettong> no i did
[05:36] <bob2> cute_bettong: then paste your /etvc/apt/sources.list to #flood
[05:36] <bob2> since mplayer is absolutely in breezy
[05:36] <cute_bettong> kk
[05:37] <leouan_m18> hi everyone.
[05:37] <apokryphos> hi
[05:37] <leouan_m18> how to activate footwork icon in open office 1.1.3
[05:38] <cute_bettong> ok done
[05:38] <leouan_m18> i see a footwork icon but not active
[05:38] <apokryphos> cute_bettong: no Multiverse there
[05:38] <cute_bettong> so i have to manually install multiverse?
[05:39] <jdermer> hey guys
[05:39] <apokryphos> cute_bettong: multiverse is a repository; you don't install it, you add it.
[05:39] <jdermer> wuts the best bittorrent client for linux
[05:39] <leouan_m18> teach me the openoffice 1.1.3 footwork icon to activate\
[05:39] <apokryphos> ubotu: tell cute_bettong about repositories
[05:39] <cute_bettong> well thats what i mean
[05:39] <bob2> cute_bettong: no, you need to "manually" remove the # sign from your sources.list
[05:39] <bob2> cute_bettong: then yes
[05:39] <apokryphos> cute_bettong: check the link ubotu gave you
[05:39] <bob2> leouan_m18: doesn't sound like anyone knows
[05:39] <MrStone> whats a good link for setting up samba?
[05:39] <cute_bettong> ok
[05:39] <bob2> leouan_m18: try #ubuntu-ph
[05:39] <cute_bettong> thank you
[05:39] <apokryphos> bob2: default sources.list doesn't have multiverse (even as uncommented), I believe.
[05:39] <cute_bettong> ^_^
[05:40] <apokryphos> ubotu: tell MrStone about samba
[05:40] <jdermer> any1
[05:41] <glyn> How do I get my webcam to work on Ubuntu?
[05:41] <robotgeek> glyn: not many apps support webcam on linux yet :(
[05:41] <bob2> jdermer: this is an english-speaking channel...
[05:41] <bob2> jdermer: bittornado is nice, and you can run azerus if you like
[05:41] <bob2> glyn: depends on the webcam
[05:41] <robotgeek> glyn: though there is a gaim-vv program
[05:41] <bob2> glyn: I'd be very surprised if google really had no hits
[05:41] <jdermer> azureus is eh
[05:42] <jdermer> doesnt rly do it for me
[05:42] <jdermer> i dunno seems slow
[05:42] <glyn> Does the gaim-vv program work with users on Windows?
[05:42] <robotgeek> jdermer: screen + bittorrent
[05:42] <glyn> say I want to use gaim to use my cam to show a windows peep
[05:42] <robotgeek> glyn: i dunno, i havent used it :(
[05:42] <bob2> "really"
[05:42] <glyn> oh
[05:43] <codomaniac> Is breezy stable now ? :-)
[05:43] <bob2> no
[05:43] <codomaniac> bob2: ah. when is it expected to be stable ?
[05:43] <jdermer> robotgeek, wuts that ?
[05:43] <bob2> when it releases
[05:43] <bob2> early october
[05:43] <nalioth> codomaniac: oct 13
[05:43] <codomaniac> I see.
[05:44] <robotgeek> jdermer: screen is a terminal emulation program, (man screen :) ) and you can run several instances of the ncurses based bittornado (?) in a single term
[05:44] <apokryphos> Azureus is good, but quite CPU-intensive (particularly with many torrents).
[05:44] <isym> ok i need help installing AIM in linux
[05:45] <apokryphos> isym: you can use gaim
[05:45] <isym> it keeps telling me that it the LIB Binaries are missing
[05:45] <codomaniac> isym: use gaim.
[05:45] <kosha> Anyone know how to get Opera working on Ubuntu?
[05:45] <isym> im trying to learn linux by installign a little program
[05:45] <codomaniac> isym: what distro you using ?
[05:45] <nalioth> jdermer: you can read about screen here http://www.macdevcenter.com/pub/a/mac/2004/07/06/unix_gems.html
[05:45] <apokryphos> kosha: download and install the deb from the Opera site
[05:45] <isym> yours
[05:45] <jdermer> how come when i try to remove some packages it says it needs to uninstall ubuntu-desktop
[05:45] <isym> :)
[05:45] <isym> ubuntu
[05:45] <intelikey> i always uninstall screen when i first setup a system.
[05:45] <bob2> kosha: get static version. install. run.
[05:45] <intelikey> and sudl
[05:45] <intelikey> sudo
[05:45] <kosha> yeh, it doesn't work
[05:45] <kosha> i'll try restarting
[05:45] <codomaniac> isym: apt-get install gaim
[05:45] <Agrajag> you... UNINSTALL screen?
[05:45] <kosha> to see if my dns will work
[05:45] <nalioth> intelikey: ?
[05:45] <apokryphos> jdermer: it's likely trying to remove a pack that ubuntu-desktop depends on
[05:46] <bob2> jdermer: because ubuntu-desktop's entire job is to stop you uninstalling useful things
[05:46] <intelikey> yes
[05:46] <apokryphos> kosha: what's the error?
[05:46] <Agrajag> you're mad, that's what you are
[05:46] <isym> ok
[05:46] <jdermer> well i got a broken package
[05:46] <bz0b> hehe
[05:46] <jdermer> and i need to uninstall it
[05:46] <intelikey> quite happy  actually
[05:46] <bz0b> the madness needs to stop
[05:46] <isym> cus i wanted to install QUAKEWORLD w/e and what not but everytime i try to run anything it tells me that the LIB BINARIES Are missing
[05:46] <jdermer> also im trying to install bittornado
[05:46] <bz0b> isym, just get the .exe and cedega ;-)
[05:46] <jdermer> and it says it needs to remove some firefox package and ubuntu-desktop
[05:46] <transgress> sudo aptitude install bittornado jdermer
[05:46] <bob2> jdermer: and the name of the package is?
[05:46] <isym> cedegA?
[05:47] <transgress> i use gnome-bittorrent myself...
[05:47] <bob2> jdermer: no. bittornado will not cause the removal of ubuntu-desktop
[05:47] <robotgeek> jdermer: i also recommend using the official bittorrent client, works well for me www.bittorrent.org
[05:47] <transgress> the newest official client is nice
[05:47] <transgress> but not in apt
[05:47] <intelikey> no i really do i always uninstall any automaticly installed "screen & sudo"  no matter what distro.
[05:47] <nalioth> volvoguy: howdy. my ppc breezy is gettin better with each update
[05:47] <bob2> intelikey: why?
[05:47] <jdermer> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[05:47] <jdermer> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[05:48] <jdermer> thats wut i get when i run that command bob2
[05:48] <intelikey> cause i just don't like them.
[05:48] <bob2> jdermer: then run it as root and close whatever other packagemanegement tool you have open
[05:48] <apokryphos> jdermer: you shouldn't paste in here, but the error is evidently pretty self-explanatory there
[05:48] <transgress> jdermer: you are already running it in something
[05:48] <volvoguy> nalioth, ditto! i'm hoping to get me a wireless thingie this week and my creation will be complete! mwahahaa.
[05:48] <jdermer> k
[05:48] <jdermer> well i did aptitude
[05:48] <jdermer> and it wants to remove: mozilla-firefox-gnome-support ubuntu-desktop
[05:48] <transgress> what does?
[05:48] <transgress> bittornado?
[05:48] <jdermer> yea
[05:49] <transgress> umm
[05:49] <transgress> it didn't for me
[05:49] <transgress> you pissed the magic cow off eh?
[05:49] <bob2> jdermer: then paste your /etc/apt/sources.list to #flood
[05:49] <apokryphos> jdermer: can you pastebin the full output of the apt command?
[05:49] <isym> i dont wanna pay for Cedega
[05:49] <isym> i just wanna play quakeworld it has a linux part to it
[05:49] <jerry> you should, it rocks
[05:49] <isym> but i dunno how to install it or run it
[05:49] <jdermer> see i think i got a broken firefox package
[05:49] <jdermer> and since then its been sorta wierd
[05:49] <cyphase> is breezy+1 going to have a central download manager?
[05:50] <bob2> "central download manager"?
[05:50] <cyphase> one download manager for all downloads
[05:50] <cyphase> within reason
[05:50] <jerry> anyone know how to boot to command line? I cant ionstall nvidia driver in x
[05:50] <bob2> what's the point?
[05:50] <bob2> jerry: wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[05:50] <theblue> jerry: At X, press Ctrl-Alt-F1.
[05:50] <theblue> jerry: to get back, press Ctrl-Alt-F7.
[05:50] <cyphase> codomania, apt-get is for software
[05:50] <cyphase> codomaniac*
[05:51] <jerry> ok, thanks a million
[05:51] <jdermer> ill paste my sources.list in #flood
[05:51] <transgress> aptitude instead of apt-get
[05:51] <codomaniac> what will you download with that manager then cyphase ?
[05:51] <theblue> jerry: No prob. :-)
[05:51] <intelikey> or [alt]  [f7]     no [ctrl]  needed in console mode.
[05:51] <apokryphos> cyphase: Dapper; but, there is a download manager -- one GUI one, by default. Synaptic.
[05:51] <theblue> Yes, but I like consistency.
[05:51] <intelikey> :)
[05:51] <cyphase> codomaniac, software is not the only thing people download
[05:51] <cyphase> apokryphos, Synaptic is for software
[05:51] <cyphase> lol
[05:51] <apokryphos> A real question is if the package manager will begin to sort things by applications etc instead of actual packages
[05:52] <apokryphos> cyphase: and you want a download manager for......?
[05:52] <volvoguy> cyphase, gnome-art is good for things graphic related.
[05:52] <codomaniac> cyphase: umm. okay.
[05:52] <cyphase> volvoguy, what does that have to do with a download manager?
[05:52] <cyphase> lol
[05:52] <jdermer> k
[05:52] <jdermer> i pasted it
[05:53] <gt> how do i change the directory imn working in?
[05:53] <gt> like if i want to instal mame
[05:53] <gt> do i have to be working from that directory instad of home?
[05:53] <jedi> is it by design that no hard drive device nodes were created when i booted up with the hoary livecd?
[05:53] <volvoguy> cyphase, it manages (previews/downloads/installs) artwork for you.
[05:53] <cyphase> ah
[05:53] <gt> how do i instal stuff?
[05:53] <gt> is there an easy way?
[05:54] <apokryphos> jdermer: it's the hoary-backports which is likely causing the problem
[05:54] <cyphase> gt, synaptic
[05:54] <jdermer> wait
[05:54] <jdermer> i seemed to have fixed it
[05:54] <cyphase> System -> Administration -> Synaptic Package Manager
[05:54] <apokryphos> jdermer: as in, the one that wants to remove ubuntu-desktop
[05:54] <volvoguy> will there be a Canonical sanctioned app to dowload warez/porn/tv/dvd's... i doubt it.
[05:54] <intelikey> gt i hesitate to answer,  that sounds to noobish to be a valid question.    to change dirs "cd <dir> " .....
[05:54] <gt> thanks
[05:54] <gt> nice insult by the way
[05:54] <gt> ass face
[05:54] <apokryphos> ubotu: tell gt about commands
[05:55] <mik3> haha
[05:55] <gt> i never denied being new
[05:55] <nalioth> gentlemen. manners, please
[05:55] <scx> damn damn damn
[05:55] <apokryphos> gt: language
[05:55] <gt> apologies
[05:55] <mik3> intelikey : take your pseudo-intellect and die
[05:55] <gt> i thinkits sudo lol
[05:55] <gt> hahahahaha
[05:55] <geyzer> mik3: sudo
[05:55] <mik3> WAKAKAK
[05:55] <apokryphos> mik3: please be civil.
[05:55] <mik3> it's pseudo-
[05:55] <gt> i agree with mik3 though
[05:56] <mik3> ohhh big bad ops
[05:56] <intelikey> "how do i change directories ? "        can you own a computer and not know that ?
[05:56] <mik3> yes
[05:56] <scx> I can't get this IRC to let me send personal chats
[05:56] <apokryphos> mik3: stay on topic or go to #ubuntu-offtopic
[05:56] <scx> damn
[05:56] <nalioth> gentlemen, if we remember our manners.. .. ..
[05:56] <gt> i can shit in a toilet and own you
[05:56] <Knelix> Intelikey, be nice...
[05:56] <mik3> i love nalioth, and Seveas . they make my world go round
[05:56] <gt> that is, you are shit
[05:56] <jedi> i smell a bannin' coming on
[05:56] <transgress> ah i'm noticing definite improvements in this upgrade to breezy
[05:56] <mik3> i wasn't being facetious either
[05:56] <AGRAV8> Need help with network install.
[05:57] <scx> Hey guys..
[05:57] <nalioth> !tell gt about conduct
[05:57] <jdermer> bittornado looks exactly like the regular bittorent client
[05:57] <jdermer> wuts the diff
[05:57] <scx> someone you did an install of java runtime ?
[05:57] <scx> trought apt ?
[05:57] <mik3> scx : yes
[05:57] <nalioth> jdermer: rewritten for efficiency
[05:58] <intelikey> Knelix: i wasn't being mean...  i was being honest.   i didn't know that anyone didn't know how to  cd   it is the same for ibm-dos  ms-dos linux ....  i just didn't know.
[05:58] <jdermer> o
[05:58] <scx> what source didi u used ?
[05:58] <jdermer> is there any BT client where the upload and download speeds arent locked together
[05:58] <mik3> scx : i got better results by downloading the java package from sun.com a
[05:58] <jdermer> or where u dont have to seed in order to DL and stuff
[05:58] <scx> yes...
[05:58] <scx> I did that
[05:58] <scx> but I wanted to do it trough apt
[05:59] <AGRAV8> Which files should i download to do a network install. I have a running ubuntu desktop and a tablet pc that i want to place ubuntu on.
[05:59] <scx> anyway.... it's legal if I pack it into a .deb ???
[05:59] <Knelix> intelikey, I know it sounds noobie.. but, I for example, am reading and learning how to do more advanced things and sometimes forget silly things like that, because I'm more used to the Mac, etc.
[05:59] <^reapser> hi guys is there any files that tell u how to install UBUNTU...??
[06:00] <transgress> ^reapser: eh one or two
[06:00] <transgress> did you look at the site?
[06:00] <^reapser> yep..
[06:00] <AGRAV8> problem i am having is finding documentation that is not written for "experts"
[06:00] <^reapser> do u have a notepad or something....
[06:00] <jdermer> is it just me or does bittornado take a while for the downloading to start
[06:00] <^reapser> with instructions
[06:01] <str8edge> jdermer: it will start slowly, but gain speed as the download progresses
[06:01] <scx> I'll put a java runtime on my repository soon:  deb http://axanteam.com ./
[06:01] <jdermer> hey stre8edge, im sXe too
[06:01] <scx> it is down now..... but..
[06:01] <str8edge> jdermer: cool
[06:02] <jdermer> yea
[06:02] <scx> ohhh err:  http://axanteam/debian ./
[06:02] <jdermer> and damn proud of it
[06:02] <jdermer> where u live ?
[06:02] <str8edge> regina, sask, canada
[06:02] <jdermer> o
[06:02] <str8edge> u?
[06:02] <jdermer> Georgia, USA
[06:02] <sambagirl> i in georgia usa too
[06:03] <jdermer> o
[06:03] <sambagirl> ciao
[06:03] <jdermer> where in ga
[06:03] <mik3> I get this when i try to run NVU : Cannot find mozilla runtime directory. Exiting. <----i checked google and the home page, no relivant facts. any takers?
[06:03] <cfh_dev> Where can I find an amarok-xine package for breezy?
[06:03] <sambagirl> powder spring
[06:03] <jdermer> o wow
[06:03] <sambagirl> ?
[06:03] <jdermer> not far rly
[06:03] <jdermer> im in east cobb
[06:03] <sambagirl> ahh
[06:03] <jdermer> marietta
[06:03] <sambagirl> is is poor side ;)
[06:03] <sambagirl> haha
[06:03] <cfh_dev> funny, I'm in Stockbridge
[06:03] <sambagirl> marietta
[06:03] <sambagirl> yesi knowing big chickens
[06:03] <jdermer> heheh
[06:03] <sambagirl> stockbridge is of georgia too?
[06:04] <kevin06> I see Breezy is out. Do you guys notice a difference?
[06:04] <jdermer> sambagirl is english ure first language /
[06:04] <cfh_dev> sambagirl: yeah, south of the airport
[06:04] <sambagirl> yes big chicken they telling me this all along aobut this big chicken.
[06:04] <str8edge> kevin06: lots of minor enhancements, plus proper support for mono.
[06:04] <sambagirl> maybe, why? ;0
[06:04] <jdermer> lol
[06:04] <sambagirl> i need cooking brb
[06:04] <sambagirl> ; )
[06:04] <cfh_dev> kevin06: things look a little nicer but that could be the video driver update
[06:05] <kevin06> cfh_dev, You sure it's not the GNOME update?
[06:05] <jdermer> bittornado seems to take longer connecting to peers and stuff that azureus did
[06:05] <cfh_dev> kevin06: I use KDE so it could be that update as well.  Things seem to run a little smoother
[06:05] <transgress> hmm so far i'm impressed... the upgrade went rather well
[06:05] <nybble> hmm
[06:05] <kevin06> cfh_dev, Ah. Well, I used the vidia drivers, mupen runs pretty bad without them.
[06:05] <nybble> hello
[06:06] <transgress> rather well... now... i have to decide if i should do it on the desktop
[06:06] <cfh_dev> kevin06: I'm on the nvidia driver as well.  Good things so far.
[06:06] <nybble> anyone have issues when trying to run "sudo echo -n mem > /sys/power/state"
[06:06] <henafi> chat.terra.cl 7000
[06:06] <kevin06> Nifty
[06:06] <nybble> this is to sleep an ACPI notebook
[06:06] <Kiwi__> Will mono be in breezy?
[06:06] <AGRAV8> no one here can help me with a network install?
[06:07] <nalioth> AGRAV8: we've helped you with your tablet yesterday
[06:07] <jdermer> bittornado doesnt require any ports open to work does it ?
[06:07] <AGRAV8> nalioth, it doesn't work . so i am looking for help
[06:08] <nalioth> AGRAV8: i believe we've been thru all well known alternetives.
[06:08] <transgress> jdermer: well the internet requires open ports to work, but it will need some ports available to work well...
[06:08] <transgress> 6881-6889 to be exact
[06:08] <AGRAV8> nalioth, can you tell me which files i need to grab to do anetwork install?
[06:08] <jdermer> transgress, wut exactly do those ports do
[06:08] <jdermer> does that effect incoming and outgoing ?
[06:09] <nalioth> AGRAV8: i'd search debians site and find the "woody" netinst iso image
[06:09] <transgress> jdermer: incoming... it'll cut your speed in half a big chunk of the time if those ports aren't open
[06:09] <AGRAV8> nalioth, thanks
[06:09] <LootBeer> i canoot find my multisync haeder dir...i need it to compile synCE
[06:09] <jdermer> o wow
[06:09] <cef> nalioth: he can't boot cd's though
[06:09] <jdermer> bittornado looks like it randomizes ports
[06:09] <nalioth> AGRAV8: if you can get it booted, once it restarts, change it's sources.list for an ubuntu sources.list
[06:09] <jdermer> 10,000 to 60,000
[06:09] <jdermer> should i set it to the ports u mentioned
[06:09] <nalioth> Agrajag: they also have woody netinst floppy images
[06:09] <codomaniac> bye guys.
[06:10] <gt> hello?
[06:11] <transgress> hi
[06:11] <nalioth> gt hello
[06:11] <gt> thank god
[06:11] <gt> i think i was banned
[06:11] <nalioth> gt: yes, we mind our manners in here
[06:11] <gt> ill spare you me ranting about how he should have been baned too, but anyways
[06:12] <gt> i need some help wiht installing things
[06:12] <gt> i dont know how the heck to do it
[06:12] <gt> like at all
[06:12] <gt> ive got a folder with mame in it
[06:12] <gt> and i dont know what to do with any of it
[06:12] <mik3> gt: let it go pimp juice, this network is full of petulant people, hell Rob Levin is an irc nazi , you won't win
[06:12] <mik3> i used to run an ircd here
[06:12] <mik3> trust me.
[06:12] <azahid> any one of you want to comment on adding debian apt source for programs like Opera, Avidemux. Is it safe?
[06:13] <mik3> this place is a righteous source of info that's about it
[06:13] <apokryphos> azahid: there is a deb on the ubuntu site for Ubuntu
[06:13] <nalioth> mik3: you and gt can rant all you like in #ubuntu-offtopic
[06:13] <apokryphos> azahid: adding marillat is not recommended; you can cause problems.
[06:13] <mik3> nalioth: i still love you
[06:13] <mik3> your dog is fucking up my nick completion
[06:13] <mik3> how un-convenient
[06:14] <nalioth> mik3: language, please
[06:14] <mik3> sorry
[06:14] <mik3> =/
[06:14] <azahid> is there a debian source for opera in ubuntu ?
[06:14] <gt> is there any easy way to instal things in ubuntu?
[06:14] <azahid> what repository I have to add?
[06:14] <apokryphos> azahid: you can just get the .deb from their site.
[06:14] <nalioth> azahid: no, you have to see opera.com, i believe
[06:15] <azahid> I have done that. I was just wondering
[06:15] <ADRnLn> Hi, I just ran the live cd for PPC on a powerbook G4 1.5 12", I am having trouble getting the touch pad to work. it works fine with a usb mouse connected, but otherwise mousing capabilities are nonexistant...
[06:15] <ADRnLn> is this a known issue?
[06:16] <Sonny_Wertzik> can anyone tell me if which is better...Limewire or Azureus?
[06:16] <ADRnLn> Azureus is great for torrents
[06:16] <Knelix> Stay away from Limewire, in my opinion.
[06:16] <azahid> I am using version 5.10 now. Do you know what's coming in the next (6.04) version or where can I find the information?
[06:16] <nalioth> ADRnLn: you have a newer PB with the new apple touchpad
[06:16] <transgress> herm
[06:16] <transgress> damn it
[06:16] <ADRnLn> i suppose i do
[06:16] <ADRnLn> lol
[06:16] <transgress> sound died in the upgrade
[06:17] <ADRnLn> i just got it in June
[06:17] <Sonny_Wertzik> thanks for the input ;-)
[06:17] <nalioth> ADRnLn: support for it is gonna be flaky for a while, i would think
[06:17] <factotum> so anyone notice any X nvidia problems before that big batch of updates a few days ago?
[06:17] <ADRnLn> everything seems to work except the touch pad and airport extreme, but i realize that broadcom hasnt released the specs for it
[06:17] <Sonny_Wertzik> what kinda problems?
[06:18] <ADRnLn> TY nalioth...
[06:18] <transgress> i got my boradcom working with ndiswrapper... but i don't know about on ppc
[06:18] <factotum> for some reason i had to change "nvidia" back to "nv" for a while to get an x session
[06:18] <nalioth> ADRnLn: yours is the newest PB i've heard about with ubuntu on it
[06:18] <gt> ok... so is there a easy way to install things in ubuntu?
[06:18] <gt> anyone?
[06:18] <factotum> then yesterday on a whim i did an apt-upgrade and switched back to "nvidia" works again. Kinda wierd
[06:19] <Sonny_Wertzik> ya synaptic
[06:19] <azahid> gt what you want to install?
[06:19] <nalioth> !tell gt about synaptic
[06:19] <gt> but what if its not in that list?
[06:19] <gt> i wanna get mame on this
[06:19] <ADRnLn> nalioth, like i said everything, including sound which for some reason seems to be a big deal on yellowdog at the moment, works
[06:19] <FR500> hi
[06:19] <factotum> i was reading on a support forum a thread of a few people who had the same issue
[06:20] <nalioth> ADRnLn: yes, all my macs work with ubuntu except my G5 imac
[06:20] <transgress> aha
[06:20] <factotum> its come and gone, but just curious if i was the only one
[06:20] <transgress> fixed the sound
[06:20] <ADRnLn> Problems with imacs
[06:20] <ADRnLn> ?
[06:20] <ADRnLn> that was my next stop
[06:20] <ADRnLn> lol
[06:20] <Sonny_Wertzik> install....auto apt-get and checkinstall
[06:20] <nalioth> ADRnLn: just the very brand newest ones
[06:20] <ADRnLn> argh...
[06:20] <ADRnLn> well i suppose thats what i get for upgrading
[06:20] <ADRnLn> :-\
[06:20] <nalioth> ADRnLn: and when breezy finals, it will run on it, w/o a problem (or as well or better than ydl runs on it)
[06:21] <ADRnLn> im not impressed with ydl
[06:21] <ADRnLn> sound is non-existant and it doesnt detect my display
[06:21] <ADRnLn> not to mention i had to look REALLY hard to find the free downloads
[06:21] <nalioth> ADRnLn: we can take this to #ubuntu-offtopic
[06:21] <factotum> neither did slackware, but i ran it for years :P heh
[06:21] <Sonny_Wertzik> gt,  have you installed....auto apt-get and checkinstall
[06:21] <gt> what is a reposotory in synaptiic??
[06:21] <ADRnLn> ahh...sorry
[06:22] <nalioth> welcome to botsville
[06:22] <nalioth> !tell gt about repos
[06:22] <gt> no i havent
[06:22] <Xorlev> Question: What character is used to seperate two variables in Bash Scripting, like in PHP it would be $1.$2 or $1 . $2
[06:22] <nalioth> gt: read what ubotu is sending you
[06:22] <factotum> is there an apt-whatever command to get a description of a package?
[06:22] <FR500> !tell me about repos
[06:22] <nalioth> ADRnLn: not at all, we're just gettin a little OT
[06:23] <FR500> do you know if breezy's default theme will be different from hoary's
[06:23] <nalioth> transgress: dont waste any money
[06:23] <transgress> well there's always backports eh nalioth?
[06:23] <ADRnLn> So, back on topic, does hoary support the touch pad?
[06:23] <Sonny_Wertzik> gt, first try to change ur repository...but look at this page too https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CheckInstall?highlight=%28checkinstall%29
[06:23] <gt> so how do i get apt get?
[06:23] <transgress> hoary supports my touchpad quite well.
[06:23] <nickrud> backports already?
[06:23] <gt> its not in the synaptic thingy
[06:24] <nalioth> ADRnLn: not sure on the new models
[06:24] <transgress> hahahaha
[06:24] <transgress> gt, you make me smile buddy
[06:24] <Agrajag> laffo
[06:24] <Sonny_Wertzik> gt,  check that link i jst thru out
[06:24] <ADRnLn> ok...im downloading the latest hoary release now...ill check on it and see what happens
[06:24] <ADRnLn> thx for the help
[06:24] <nalioth> gt: apt is built into your system
[06:24] <bz0b> i am trying to comiple something, that i know is correct, but whenever i try and gcc -o it, it gives me a bunch of errors, like error wrong syntax DWORD and stuff like that, do I need a language installed?
[06:24] <Sonny_Wertzik> gt, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CheckInstall?highlight=%28checkinstall%29
[06:24] <nalioth> !tell gt about apt
[06:24] <ADRnLn> O, one more thing, is there any word on getting Airport Extreme drivers any time soon?
[06:25] <bz0b> ADRnLn, what model?
[06:25] <nalioth> bz0b: you do have gcc installed, right?
[06:25] <bz0b> nalioth, yes
[06:25] <nalioth> ADRnLn: dont hold your breath
[06:25] <ADRnLn> PB G4 1.5 12"
[06:25] <nalioth> ADRnLn: ralink chips are supported ootb, i hear
[06:25] <bz0b> ADRnLn, I thought you meant the Airport Extreme Dlink Cards
[06:26] <ADRnLn> bz0b, no but thanx for the info
[06:27] <bz0b> is the airport extreme in the apples a railink driver?
[06:27] <bz0b> cause if so, i can get it
[06:27] <bz0b> nalioth, want to compile it for me?
[06:27] <nalioth> bz0b: no, i was telling him to get a usb wifi dongle with a ralink chip in it
[06:27] <bz0b> oh
[06:27] <bz0b> o
[06:27] <bz0b> ok
[06:27] <ADRnLn> nalioth, seems i keep getting off topic, apologies...
[06:28] <nalioth> ADRnLn: offtopic? wifi under ubuntu?
[06:28] <ADRnLn> lol...
[06:28] <mik3> dude my bandwidth = my neighbors bandwidth, totally on topic
[06:29] <ADRnLn> nalioth, how can i run an ralink card in my powerbookw with AX built-in?
[06:29] <gteppel> Does Gnome and Xorg still run really slow? I have a AMD 1800XP, Geforce4 Ti4200 128MB, 768 MB ram. And Ubuntu (and any linux distro) has always ran slow. Actually let me rephrase that, Gnome and Xorg have been incredibly slow compared to how responsive WinXP is or MacOSX.
[06:29] <nalioth> ADRnLn: buy a usb wifi dongle with a ralink chip in it
[06:29] <HrdwrBoB> gteppel: that's odd
[06:30] <transgress> gnome hasn't run slow for me at all
[06:30] <transgress> and that should be plenty of power for xorg and gnome
[06:30] <gteppel> and I've gone through the forums and tweaked everything I could and enabled acceleration, etc.. but its never helped
[06:30] <da_bon_bon> gnome is N times faster than winX :) for me
[06:30] <jakelo> I'm getting the error "Cannot assign requested address" with running apt-get update and with wget.  Does anyone know how to fix this?
[06:30] <transgress> with wget?
[06:30] <transgress> wtf are you trying to do jakelo?
[06:31] <Dr_Willis> Moo?
[06:31] <Dr_Willis> :P
[06:31] <jakelo> transgress, Fix a problem upgrading with apt-get.
[06:31] <gteppel> transgress: i'm talking about aesthetic things like resizing a window, minimizing/maximizing  windows, etc... The animations are just horribly slow and/or ugly
[06:31] <hajiki> is it possible to use the other mouse buttons on ubuntu? (the forward and back buttons, usually on the browser, they are located near the thumb)
[06:31] <_admin> hi guys, I'm a bit of a linux newbie.  I have a strange problem.  I edited a kernel module, ir-kbd-gpo, recompiled the kernel..  I noticed that my module's ko file size changed from the original version, so it must have compiled OK.  However, when I boot the new kernel, or even if I copy over the module file into the stock kernel module's directory, the module still behaves as if it was the stock original module, and not my modified one..  any ideas what migh
[06:32] <Dr_Willis> gteppel,  ive not noticed X being that much slower.. you could try out a lighter window manager. or it could be your hard drives DMA is disabled or somthing else is slowing down the system,
[06:32] <Dr_Willis> hajiki,  i hear they can be used.. i never use them under windows,. so i never bothered
[06:32] <gteppel> Dr_Willis: i've checked the DMA settings before too
[06:33] <factotum> _admin: shot in the dark here, might the module be already compiled into the kernel somehow therfor using original setup?
[06:33] <Dr_Willis> only use i find for the buttions is for the Grenades/Medpack when i Play RTCW:ET
[06:33] <Dr_Willis> :P
[06:33] <hajiki> heeh, i use them for that too!
[06:33] <gteppel> Dr_Willis: I'm not sure how to describe what I'm experiencing, its kind of frustrating :-P
[06:33] <factotum> _admin: as if something compiled in is over riding your customizations?
[06:34] <Uchiha> does ubuntu install well on mac mini?
[06:34] <nybble> hey, is popey still on?
[06:34] <Dr_Willis> Uchiha,  ive used the PPC ubuntu on my imacdv - it ran ok.
[06:34] <factotum> _admin: or maybe the order of which its loaded through the rc*.d's?
[06:35] <Uchiha> One more quesion
[06:35] <Uchiha> tion
[06:35] <Uchiha> ok
[06:35] <nalioth> Uchiha: it will be fine on the mini
[06:35] <Uchiha> will it work with the dial up modem in the mini?
[06:35] <factotum> _admin: sorry, random ideas, sorry if they dont help at all
[06:36] <Dr_Willis> Dial up! *eww* :P
[06:36] <nalioth> Uchiha: on that i'm not sure (modem)
[06:36] <gt> dial up is still used? *vomits*
[06:36] <_admin> facorum:  maybe, but it is compiled as a module..  I'm not sure how it would get overriden
[06:37] <_admin> the kernel is compiled with initrd, would that do it?
[06:37] <jakelo> Can anyone help me with my error?
[06:37] <gt> whats your major malfunction boy?
[06:37] <nalioth> gt: please be civil
[06:38] <gt> i was nt being mean
[06:38] <gt> i was asking him what his issue was in a comical manor
[06:38] <gt> to stop the monotony
[06:38] <nalioth> gt: "boy" is considered derogatory to some people/cultures
[06:38] <gt> didnt know that
[06:38] <factotum> _admin: whether it has initrd, I dont know, but you may be in the right direction there, may have something to do with what is going on. Maybe not necisarily what, but how its all working together as a process
[06:38] <nybble> Hey, anyone have a Dell Laptop?
[06:38] <gt> i have three
[06:38] <gt> what kinds>?
[06:38] <nybble> Inspiron 9300 to be exact
[06:39] <nybble> i need acpi help
[06:39] <gt> nope
[06:39] <factotum> _admin: which brings you right back to where your started i suppose...
[06:39] <nybble> dang
[06:39] <gt> none of imne ae that new i beleive
[06:39] <nybble> ah dang
[06:39] <gt> installing updats takes time
[06:39] <gt> losts
[06:39] <gt> lots
[06:39] <nybble> dang...popey has an XPS Gen 2!
[06:39] <nybble> errr
[06:39] <nybble> lol
[06:39] <nybble> i'm glad i'm on highspeed.
[06:39] <gt> even dling at 566k a second
[06:39] <_admin> factotum:  yeah, I really have no idea
[06:39] <nybble> login: new update
[06:39] <nybble> login
[06:40] <nybble> new e
[06:40] <jakelo> I'm getting the error "Cannot assign requested address" with running apt-get update and with wget.  Does anyone know how to fix this?
[06:40] <nybble> update!
[06:40] <nybble> *new update!
[06:40] <jakelo> no offense taken.. :D
[06:40] <nalioth> jakelo: is that exactly what it says?
[06:40] <XoBelLoX> CAN SOME1 HELP ME W/ A PROBLEM?
[06:40] <XoBelLoX> ????????????
[06:40] <nybble> XoBelox: If you calm down, yes!
[06:40] <factotum> _admin: what module is this again?
[06:40] <jakelo> I can get the whole line, but that is the error that is common with the two apps.
[06:41] <nalioth> XoBelLoX: if you'll quit using caps, and ask a question
[06:41] <nybble> XoBelLox: please do not use al capitals!
[06:41] <nalioth> jakelo: does it say anythin about 'hostname' ?
[06:41] <nybble> ooo.. i better charge my other battery!
[06:41] <jakelo> Cannot initiate the connection to ca.archive.ubuntu.com:80 (82.211.81.151). -
[06:42] <jakelo> connect (99 Cannot assign requested address) [IP: 82.211.81.151 80] 
[06:42] <XoBelLoX> evertime i try to get on a chat room it always says that i have the wrong username or page not found but i am doing everything right
[06:42] <XoBelLoX> wt do i do?
[06:42] <nalioth> jakelo: ah. a common problem. remove the "ca" and leave it "archive.ubu-ble"
[06:42] <XoBelLoX> ?????????????????????
[06:42] <nalioth> XoBelLoX: dont repeat like that
[06:43] <apokryphos> XoBelLoX: excessive punctuation is annoying; please do not do it.
[06:43] <XoBelLoX> is any1 there
[06:43] <_admin> it's an infra-red module for my tv tuner card
[06:43] <XoBelLoX> i dont know wt 2 do?
[06:43] <Agrajag> no, nobody's here
[06:43] <factotum> XoBelLoX: while waiting for an answer, develop a trouble shooting strategy of your own
[06:43] <nalioths_dog> XoBelLoX: please stop repeating the same question. If someone knows, (s)he will answer. You can try posting on the mailing list too.
[06:43] <gt> i have one for him, its called " knife to throat"
[06:43] <gt> jk
[06:43] <_admin> factotum: well thanks for you help anyways!  I'm going to experiment some more
[06:43] <jakelo> nalioth, I also tried wget http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/a/apt/apt_0.5.27.1_i386.deb
[06:44] <nalioth> XoBelLoX: whining isnt gonna get an answer for you any quicker
[06:44] <factotum> _admin: good luck
[06:44] <nalioth> jakelo: and got the same error?
[06:44] <jakelo> with wget >>> Connecting to archive.ubuntu.com|82.211.81.151|:80... failed: Cannot assign requested address.
[06:44] <XoBelLoX> i wasnt whining
[06:44] <XoBelLoX> !!!!!!!!!!
[06:44] <ubotu> XoBelLoX: I haven't a clue
[06:44] <gt> yes you were
[06:44] <nybble> yay! 6354 hours left to charge!
[06:44] <mkyb14> if i get a permission denied from a php program, does that mean that i have to give access to the folder? chmod?
[06:44] <nalioth> XoBelLoX: no more excessive puntuation, please
[06:44] <XoBelLoX> no i wasnt
[06:45] <nybble> mkyb14: i beleive so
[06:45] <factotum> mkyb14: sure do
[06:45] <gt> we think you were
[06:46] <XoBelLoX> well i dont
[06:46] <jjazz> I have a printer attached to my ubuntu box.  I want to let a Win2K box on my LAN print to it.  Googling tells me IPP is the way to go and that I don't need Samba at all.  But when I try to add the printer from Windows, the printer is not found.  Nobody has any info on trouble-shooting-- all the docs say "and then it should work" without saying what to do if it fails. So... what do I do now that it's failed?
[06:46] <nalioth> !tell gt about conduct
[06:46] <XoBelLoX> i was just asking if any 1 new
[06:46] <nalioth> XoBelLoX: ask and wait. read what nalioths_dog said to you
[06:46] <jakelo> Anyone have any ideas?
[06:47] <nalioth> gt: read the CoC, please
[06:47] <nybble> !tell nybble about hamsters
[06:47] <factotum> jjazz: you MIGHT have to look into permissions from the linux side to get to the printer, that a big maybe though
[06:47] <nybble> !tell nybble about acpi
[06:47] <nybble> lol
[06:47] <nybble> worth a shot
[06:48] <jjazz> factotum, I have cupsd.conf set to let anybody and their mama in, so I don't think that's it.
[06:48] <factotum> hmmm..
[06:48] <nybble> ok, stupid me again
[06:48] <factotum> jjazz: you have the unix printing etc etc installed on the win box?
[06:49] <snausages> can gnomebaker verify md5sums ?
[06:49] <jjazz> factotum, I have nothing on the win box except Windows.  I was under the impression I could just add this as a network printer from the add-printer dialog.
[06:49] <XoBelLoX> how old r u all
[06:50] <factotum> jjazz: there is something under network protocals I beleiver, that you might have to install from the win cd, having to do with Unix printing
[06:50] <XoBelLoX> ?
[06:50] <nalioth> XoBelLoX: you should ask those questions in #ubuntu-offtopic
[06:50] <nalioth> XoBelLoX: this is a help channel, not a socializing one
[06:50] <XoBelLoX> how do i get thier/
[06:50] <Sonny_Wertzik> Does anyone know of a program like Nero Linux but that has support the AMD64 version of Ubuntu?
[06:50] <jjazz> factotum, hmm... I'll look into it.  Thanks for the pointer.
[06:51] <Dr_Willis> Sonny_Wertzik,  i find k3b to better then nerolinux in many ways
[06:51] <Sonny_Wertzik> K3b sounds good...im looking it up now
[06:51] <jdermer> wow the torrent im downloading... a lot of the pieces are failing the hash check
[06:51] <nybble> XoBelLox: /join #ubuntu-offtopic
[06:51] <jdermer> think the file is bad ?
[06:51] <nomasteryoda> k3b is soo cool
[06:52] <jjazz> jdermer, sometimes pieces fail.
[06:52] <jdermer> yea
[06:52] <mik3> alllllllllll i goitta say is yellow tail merlot rocks
[06:52] <jdermer> seems like a couple of em are tho
[06:52] <jdermer> not like 1 or 2
[06:52] <Sonny_Wertzik> Dr_Willis, K3b ...will it work with gnome?
[06:53] <transgress> umm yes
[06:53] <Dr_Willis> Sonny_Wertzik,  of course
[06:53] <jjazz> jdermer, That happens sometimes.  Hasn't got much to do with the contents of the file.
[06:53] <Dr_Willis> i run kde and gnome apps all the time togehter.
[06:53] <Dr_Willis> :P
[06:53] <bytefoo_> dude yellow tail pwnz
[06:53] <factotum> jjazz: anytime
[06:53] <Sonny_Wertzik> cool...thanks...it looks good
[06:53] <bytefoo_> those aussies can make some wine :|
[06:53] <jjazz> mik3, You, sir, are a philistine.
[06:53] <transgress> yellow tail?
[06:53] <jdermer> k jjaz
[06:53] <jdermer> thanx
[06:53] <jjazz> jdermer, np
[06:53] <jjazz> transgress, It's a brand of crappy wine
[06:53] <bytefoo_> Davey
[06:53] <jdermer> im dlin mac osx x86 lol
[06:54] <jdermer> to run along side ubuntu
[06:54] <nalioth> can y'all take the wine talk into the wine cellar? #ubuntu-offtopic
[06:54] <jdermer> no windows on this machine... never!
[06:54] <transgress> jdermer: runs slow as piss
[06:54] <jdermer> um
[06:54] <jdermer> it shouldnt
[06:54] <transgress> it will
[06:54] <jdermer> nope
[06:54] <drummer101|afk> Okay I've got a quick question... anyone care to take a crack at it?
[06:54] <jdermer> not with native
[06:55] <jdermer> and not with the right hardware
[06:55] <delp> is there a way to set it so when you restart your computer it will select windows instead of linux for the os to start if you do not select the other....like when  then boot loader comes up you can choose which one, is there a way to make windows default?
[06:55] <transgress> i've seen it run on multiple machines
[06:55] <transgress> it's gonna run slow as piss
[06:55] <jdermer> i got a sse3 enabled intel celeron
[06:55] <transgress> you wanna cookie?
[06:55] <drummer101|afk> I cannot change the permissions on my HD....any suggestions..?
[06:55] <jdermer> a nice aopen 915g mobo
[06:55] <transgress> it's gonna run slow as piss
[06:55] <nalioth> jdermer: transgress osx/x86 in the wine cellar, too please
[06:55] <bytefoo_> yes, edit /boot/grub/menu.lst
[06:55] <jdermer> ure absolutely wrong
[06:55] <bytefoo_> and make windows partition the default
[06:55] <nalioth> drummer101|afk: what are you trying to do?
[06:55] <Davey> transgress, do you know this for fact? Because Apple has been building OS on x86 since before its *original* release
[06:55] <drummer101|afk> give write access to a user
[06:56] <transgress> Davey: yes they have, but they aren't using a cracked up image now are they?
[06:56] <nalioth> jakelo: your apt is not broken. the network is having diffecultys atm
[06:56] <drummer101|afk> (myself)
[06:56] <Sonny_Wertzik> Dr_Willis, K3b 0.12.2 Debian Sarge Package (i386 only)
[06:56] <XoBelLoX> my internet messenger isnt working wat do i do?
[06:56] <nalioth> gentlemen! ! apple/osx/intel talk to the -offtopic room please
[06:56] <bytefoo_> it runs faster than on ppc dude :|
[06:56] <Dr_Willis> Sonny_Wertzik,  huh?  that means nothing to me.
[06:57] <nalioth> jakelo: it's not YOUR networking, it is beyond your control (and mine, and everyone elses in here)
[06:57] <Sonny_Wertzik> Dr_Willis,  no amd64.. im running ubuntu 64 bit.  Kb3 is i386 version only
[06:57] <Sonny_Wertzik> unfourtuatly
[06:58] <jakelo> I know it's not the network because I can still use apt-get on another machine on the same network.
[06:58] <Sonny_Wertzik> dang that Kb3 looked good too
[06:58] <Dr_Willis> Sonny_Wertzik,  that seems odd.. but i gave up on 64bit distros a while back.
[06:59] <transgress> umm Sonny_Wertzik i recall using k3b on 64bit
[06:59] <Dr_Willis> but i did think i had k3b working on the 64bit disrto i was testing out.
[06:59] <drummer101|afk> apt-get
[06:59] <drummer101|afk> er... sorry gents.. :)
[06:59] <transgress> in fact... i just ran k3b on 64bit
[06:59] <Sonny_Wertzik> really...cool ill try it anyways then
[07:01] <drummer101|afk> okay I've got a small prob here
[07:01] <nybble> ah.... arguing in ##linux is fun
[07:01] <drummer101|afk> I've got two errors during the samba install
[07:02] <delp> im at the menu.lst file, but i can't change it, what am i doing wrong?
[07:02] <drummer101|afk> both I/O failed to write to pipe
[07:02] <XoBelLoX> naloith~ it seems like u always have something 2 talk about and kinda MEAN!!!!!!!!!!
[07:02] <sambagirl> what is command to make yourself invixible on irc? i forgetting sorry to asking this.
[07:02] <jtan325> gahhh i am just fresh off a colony 4 install
[07:03] <jtan325> i am having this weird mouse lagging problem
[07:03] <factotum> its called not typing har har har... sorry, bad joke
[07:03] <nalioth> XoBelLoX: is that on topic in here?
[07:03] <apokryphos> XoBelLoX: please don't be silly; and if you don't have something relevant to say, then you should be in #ubuntu-offtopic
[07:03] <snausages> sambagirl, /mode sambagirl +i
[07:03] <jtan325> it was occurring when i upgraded from hoary to breezy
[07:03] <sambagirl> thanks
[07:03] <factotum> honestly i dont know
[07:03] <jtan325> so i thought a fresh install might fix it
[07:03] <jtan325> but it still happens
[07:03] <XoBelLoX> i dont no how 2 get thier or i  would
[07:04] <jtan325> basically my mouse seems to "pause" occassionally
[07:04] <jtan325> and then scurries across to where it should be...
[07:04] <nalioth> XoBelLoX: at your text entry line, put "j/ #ubuntu-offtopic"
[07:04] <Tomcat_> jtan325: I have no solution, but did you check if other people with your mouse type / mainboard type might have the same problem (Google)?
[07:05] <jtan325> ummm i've tried searching the forums
[07:05] <XoBelLoX> its not workin
[07:05] <sambagirl> no it not work snausages
[07:05] <transgress> hey for breezy would i still get libdvdcss from backports?
[07:05] <jtan325> i don't know my mouse/mainboard type
[07:05] <jtan325> i mean, it was fine in hoary
[07:05] <jtan325> so...
[07:05] <nybble> transgress: yes, i installed it
[07:05] <drummer101|afk> are I/O errors usually because of a failing HD?
[07:05] <delp> can someone help me with changing my default OS
[07:05] <Tomcat_> jtan325: I highly doubt you're the only one having that problem...
[07:05] <snausages> sambagirl, i'm sorry... which irc client are you using?
[07:05] <XoBelLoX> never mind bye
[07:05] <snausages> sambagirl, it should work
[07:06] <XoBelLoX> thanx
[07:06] <sambagirl> x-chat for ubuntu
[07:06] <transgress> nybble: k thanks
[07:06] <jtan325> is there a way to see what your mouse type/mainboard is, Tomcat_
[07:06] <jtan325> ?
[07:06] <mik3> bz
[07:06] <snausages> sambagirl, same here... and it works.
[07:06] <sambagirl> 2.4.2
[07:06] <transgress> !dvd
[07:06] <ubotu> DVD playing is possible in ubuntu, some dvd's require libdvdcss2, which can be found in !hoary-extras
[07:06] <mik3> bx > *
[07:06] <sambagirl> umm
[07:06] <transgress> !backports
[07:06] <ubotu> Add "deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-backports main universe multiverse restricted" to /etc/apt/sources.list.  More info @ https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBackports
[07:06] <nybble> no problem, transgress
[07:06] <Tomcat_> jtan325: Mouse type is usually on the bottom of the mouse... mainboard type... that's difficult. :\
[07:06] <sambagirl> it is on amiganet and i having issues with them they might being doing this on purpose.
[07:06] <soonf00> how is the Breezy preview for everyone on a fresh install?
[07:06] <snausages> not sure ;\
[07:07] <michel> First time Linux user here
[07:07] <jtan325> this isn't even just my external usb mouse that's having the problem
[07:07] <transgress> i'm not on a fresh install myself... i upgraded... and it's working grand
[07:07] <soonf00> any major Breezy issues?
[07:07] <sambagirl> they entering into an invite private channel i setup and op'ing each other. grr
[07:07] <jtan325> breezy preview?
[07:07] <nybble> transgress, as am i
[07:07] <sambagirl> chao
[07:07] <geekchic9> michel: How do you like Ubuntu so far?
[07:07] <soonf00> jtan325, yea, the new version of Ubuntu
[07:07] <transgress> nybble: did you do hoary-extras still?
[07:07] <jtan325> oooooh man
[07:07] <jtan325> i should've installed that
[07:08] <jtan325> i just burned colony 4
[07:08] <jtan325> crap
[07:08] <soonf00> jtan325, well it is a preview release
[07:08] <sambagirl> i think linspire or lindows is beter ;)
[07:08] <michel> Iam liking, Primarly a MAC user
[07:08] <transgress> sambagirl: don't troll
[07:08] <snausages> heheh
[07:08] <sambagirl> troll?
[07:08] <soonf00> how are opinions trolling ... lol
[07:08] <nalioth> michel: welcome to linux
[07:08] <transgress> !hoary-extras
[07:08] <ubotu> somebody said hoary-extras was see  http://backports.ubuntuforums.org ; example hoary repo: deb http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net/ hoary-extras main universe multiverse restricted
[07:08] <michel> Thank you
[07:08] <sambagirl> what you meaning troll?
[07:08] <transgress> soonf00: coming into #ubuntu to say you like lindows better is pretty well trolling...
[07:09] <soonf00> well, has anyone install Breezy?
[07:09] <apokryphos> soonf00: of course stating an opinion can be a troll
[07:09] <geekchic9> michel: I was a Mac user till I tried Debian and Ubuntu.
[07:09] <nalioth> sambagirl: starting heated discussions over what is best
[07:09] <michel> How do I change the sound themes?
[07:09] <sambagirl> bah is just typing noise sheesh.
[07:09] <sambagirl> now i a troll
[07:09] <nalioth> sambagirl: you can discuss to your hearts content the virtues of anything you like in #ubuntu-offtopic
[07:09] <sambagirl> bah
[07:09] <transgress> nybble: so did you answer... did you use hoary extras for libdvdcss still or is there a breezy section?
[07:10] <michel> Well it was either Wntel on my PC or Ubuntu, I still use my PB as well
[07:10] <drummer101|afk> erhm.. anyone have any ideas for my samba problems...?
[07:10] <bob2> drummer101|afk: yes, I/O errors from a hard disk device are usually failing disks
[07:10] <michel> What is Breezy?
[07:10] <bob2> drummer101|afk: sometimes kernel bugs
[07:10] <bob2> michel: the upcoming Ubuntu release
[07:10] <michel> ah
[07:10] <soonf00> michel, the next release of Ubuntu
[07:10] <dbzdeath> yeah its pretty sad when someone comes into a channel full of ppl who like ubuntu and say i don't like it etc. i mean do you have nothing better to do than start a flame war?
[07:10] <soonf00> !breezy
[07:10] <sambagirl> what is the musical channel for ubuntu?
[07:11] <sambagirl> for musicians software discussion and things
[07:11] <transgress> !dvd
[07:11] <ubotu> DVD playing is possible in ubuntu, some dvd's require libdvdcss2, which can be found in !hoary-extras
[07:11] <michel> Is Breezy in Beta release, or Fll
[07:11] <drummer101|afk> bob2 okay... so how would one correct that?
[07:11] <transgress> herm
[07:11] <transgress> i put in hoary-extras but no libdvdcss2
[07:11] <nalioth> michel: official breezy release is oct 13
[07:12] <sambagirl> whatever is breezy?
[07:12] <michel> Cool.  Is it difficult to upgrade?
[07:12] <transgress> it's the newest version of ubuntu
[07:12] <apokryphos> ubotu: tell sambagirl about breezy
[07:12] <transgress> it's in a preview release atm
[07:12] <nalioth> michel: not at all. apt-get will do it easily
[07:12] <sambagirl> automatic teller machine?
[07:13] <michel> Are there significant upgrades with Breezy
[07:13] <dbzdeath> breezy isn't stable yet... right? so probably not a good idea to be using it IMO
[07:13] <geekchic9> !tell geekchic9 about breezy
[07:13] <apokryphos> michel: yes
[07:13] <sambagirl> !tell sambagirl about breezy
[07:13] <dbzdeath> at least it wasn't stable last time i checked
[07:14] <michel> Cool, well I must finish the install, see you all later.  THanks for the info and brief chat.
[07:14] <transgress> it's pretty stable atm dbzdeath
[07:14] <transgress> it's a preview release... full release is due out next month i believe
[07:15] <transgress> !hoary-extras
[07:15] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, hoary-extras is see  http://backports.ubuntuforums.org ; example hoary repo: deb http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net/ hoary-extras main universe multiverse restricted
[07:15] <snausages> it's in the topic, geez
[07:15] <snausages> oct. 13
[07:15] <bob2> drummer101|afk: replacing it
[07:15] <bob2> dbzdeath: it's ok to use if you're willing to deal with potential bugs, and report them so they can be fixed
[07:15] <transgress> damn it all... where is libdvdcss2 hiding...
[07:16] <dbzdeath> bob2: yeah ... well i'd rather not have bugs :)
[07:16] <dbzdeath> transgress: you on amd64?
[07:16] <bob2> otoh, if no one tests it before release, the release itself will be screwed
[07:16] <dbzdeath> otoh?
[07:16] <transgress> dbzdeath: yes
[07:17] <nickrud> ahuman01, but the question is, who's doing the testing
[07:17] <dbzdeath> transgress: thats why.. can't get it on amd64 yet afaik
[07:17] <nickrud> ah!
[07:17] <dbzdeath> not sure if its a ubuntu issue or just doesn't run yet
[07:17] <nickrud> ahuman01, sorry
[07:17] <transgress> i grabbed the marillat package before... that worked fine ... perhaps i'll do that again
[07:17] <bob2> if you're not using i386, you do need to mention that in your question
[07:17] <drummer101|afk> bob2 I've reinstalled ubuntu 5 times
[07:17] <bob2> (generally)
[07:17] <bob2> drummer101|afk: how would that fix your disk?
[07:18] <drummer101|afk> bob2 I thought you were talking about the kernel :)
[07:18] <mkyb14> anyone here know anything about the BUM boot manager????
[07:18] <bob2> I/O error = broken disk, generally
[07:18] <bob2> reinstalling the identical bersion of ubuntu is not going to fix a kernel bug, either, if that is the problem
[07:18] <drummer101|afk> great... well I guess I'll go buy a new HD then :-P
[07:18] <arkey> hola
[07:18] <arkey> hablan espaol?
[07:19] <nalioth> !es
[07:19] <ubotu> Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #ubuntu-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda.
[07:19] <arkey> ok
[07:19] <drummer101|afk> well it worked before... so i'll wager it's a bad disk
[07:19] <mkyb14> anyone here know anything about the BUM boot manager????
[07:19] <thenuke> arkey: you may also want to ask your question in here in english too
[07:19] <poningru> can someone help with bugzilla searching?
[07:19] <mkyb14> !info bum
[07:19] <poningru> !bum
[07:19] <ubotu> from memory, bum is a graphical BootUp Manager; see http://www.marzocca.net/linux/bum.html
[07:19] <dbzdeath> thenuke: assuming he can speak english
[07:19] <enchanter> there is a topic in ubuntuforum
[07:20] <bob2> mkyb14: it's way easier if you ask your question
[07:20] <bob2> and not use so many question marks; one is plenty
[07:20] <thenuke> dbzdeath: I said .."you may.." or may not :)
[07:20] <mkyb14> ok. sudo apt-get install bum doens't owrk
[07:20] <SuperQ> has anyone tried dist-upgrade from sarge to breezy?
[07:20] <mkyb14> work
[07:20] <dbzdeath> thenuke: true :)
[07:21] <poningru> mkyb14: do you have the repository that has it checked?
[07:21] <transgress> SuperQ: i wouldn't suggest it
[07:21] <bob2> mkyb14: you need to define "doesn't work".  it's not in any of the regular hoary repositories, perhaps that is your problem?
[07:21] <mkyb14> i dunno
[07:21] <mkyb14> so how do i get it then
[07:21] <SuperQ> transgress: hrm
[07:21] <SuperQ> transgress: any specific reason?
[07:22] <dbzdeath> mkyb14: create your own .deb or just grab the source and compile it
[07:22] <SuperQ> <- not a noob
[07:22] <mkyb14> hmm
[07:22] <SuperQ> just for the record :)
[07:22] <bob2> or just instal lbum fro mthe available package
[07:22] <dbzdeath> mkyb14: the latter isn't hard ... just download the source package and follow the instructions in the README or INSTALL file
[07:23] <mkyb14> yea i'm donwloading it now
[07:23] <poningru> mkyb14: you also may wanna try the backports
[07:23] <transgress> SuperQ: well i haven't seen sarge-breezy, but i did see sarge-hoary
[07:23] <dbzdeath> bob2: does the package exist?
[07:23] <transgress> SuperQ: and it wasn't pretty
[07:23] <mkyb14> ?
[07:23] <bob2> yes
[07:23] <dbzdeath> hmm not in amd64 then
[07:23] <bob2> I wish backports weren't mixed in with "new, Free software"
[07:23] <SuperQ> transgress: yea.. but there is a greater difference between the two transitions
[07:23] <SuperQ> 647 upgraded, 219 newly installed, 42 to remove and 4 not upgraded.
[07:23] <SuperQ> haha
[07:23] <SuperQ> woof!
[07:23] <bob2> sarge hoary is a downgrade
[07:24] <dbzdeath> mkyb14: you using amd64 by any chance/
[07:24] <bob2> in many cases
[07:24] <dbzdeath> ?
[07:24] <bob2> e.g. libc6
[07:24] <SuperQ> bob2: exactly
[07:24] <mik3> hoary is a stable downgrade =P
[07:24] <mik3> don't lie to the folk
[07:24] <bob2> sarge breezy is probably less hassle
[07:24] <bob2> mik3: ?
[07:24] <drummer101|afk> what would "error in buffer_read(stream)" mean...?
[07:24] <mik3> i've heard nothing but bitching about the people who have upgraded to breezy
[07:24] <tga> hey. is there a nice Gnome/GTK2 frontend to gpg?
[07:24] <mkyb14> heh my windows machine is a amd 64 4000+ ... and hte box is a amd 2000+
[07:25] <nalioth> tga: you can try seahorse. i use kgpg when i want a gui (use the terminal mostly)
[07:25] <dbzdeath> mkyb14: i386 then? because there is a ubuntu package for i386 apparantly
[07:25] <dbzdeath> bob2: is it in backports?
[07:25] <dbzdeath> bum that is
[07:25] <mkyb14> it installs i686 and 386
[07:25] <bob2> dbzdeath: so it seems
[07:25] <dbzdeath> bob2: whats the repositories bot command thingy?
[07:26] <lastnode> i finally got my wifi usb to work with the rt2570 driver
[07:26] <lastnode> i run dhclient
[07:26] <lastnode> and it finds the gateway etc
[07:26] <bob2> !+repositories
[07:26] <ubotu> somebody said repositories was probably at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto A list of official repositories can be found at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969
[07:26] <dbzdeath> yeah
[07:26] <lastnode> and aquiires an ip
[07:26] <lastnode> but then it times out
[07:26] <dbzdeath> mkyb14: read the above and add in the backports repository
[07:26] <lastnode> any fixes?
[07:27] <cafuego> tga: seahorse
[07:27] <lastnode> strengthening wifi, anyone?
[07:28] <cafuego> lastnode: Move closer to the AP.
[07:28] <mik3> lastnode : yagi antenna
[07:28] <mik3> cafuego : haha
[07:28] <transgress> lastnode: is it a wireless b/g router?
[07:28] <lastnode> cafuego, its fine on windows
[07:28] <lastnode> im using it now
[07:28] <nalioth> lastnode: use a cat5 antenna
[07:28] <lastnode> transgress, yeah
[07:28] <nalioth> bob2: have a nice time
[07:28] <mkyb14> how do i know which reposotory for the backports
[07:28] <mkyb14> whatever that is
[07:28] <nalioth> (it'll havta be better than my breezy upgrade)
[07:28] <dbzdeath> nalioth: cat5 antenna? ...
[07:28] <transgress> lastnode: is it on wireless g?
[07:29] <lastnode> also, the back of the laptop has a socket hole with the ((-))--> logo
[07:29] <transgress> lastnode: if you drop it to b it'll probably double the strength, but lower the speed of course
[07:29] <nalioth> dbzdeath: a joke. ditch the wireless and plug in
[07:29] <lastnode> but it doesnt find awifi card without the usb
[07:29] <lastnode> transgress, how come it works alright in windows?
[07:29] <lastnode> but dies under ubuntu?
[07:29] <lastnode> ?driver probs"
[07:29] <dbzdeath> nalioth: i figured... just was making sure there wasn't some crazy thing about using a cat5 cable to boost the signal somehow :/
[07:29] <jakelo> Hmm... it seems I can ssh and http into the machine but I can't seem to get out other than ping.  Anyone know what might be wrong?
[07:29] <transgress> lastnode: linux god hates you?
[07:30] <dell500> is it possible to have Evolution seperate your mail from mailbox to mailbox?  like assign different folders for different addresses to keep it sorted
[07:30] <lastnode> transgress, that's a possibility, yes
[07:30] <mkyb14> ??
[07:30] <bob2> usb wireless things tend to be undocumented and to be terrible hardware
[07:30] <mkyb14> how do i know which reposotory for the backports
[07:30] <thenuke> jakelo: problems with name servers propablt
[07:30] <dbzdeath> mkyb14: down the very bottom
[07:30] <nalioth> dbzdeath: boosts it quite nicely, lol
[07:30] <dbzdeath> mkyb14: Specific Non Ubuntu Repositories
[07:30] <transgress> hmm
[07:31] <jakelo> thenuke, how would I resolve this?
[07:31] <transgress> anyone know why vlc won't install in breezy?
[07:31] <bob2> thenuke: how would nameserver problems cause that?
[07:31] <transgress> has unmet deps...
[07:31] <mkyb14> i don't have that one
[07:31] <dbzdeath> mkyb14: yeah add that one in :)
[07:31] <nalioth> mkyb14: the lines with the word "backport" in them are the ones
[07:31] <bob2> jakelo: your problem is just that you can't get out fro ma machine aside from ping?
[07:31] <bob2> transgress: paste your /etc/apt/sources.list to #flood
[07:31] <bob2> Debian never had half as many apt problems as Ubuntu
[07:31] <jakelo> bob2, that seems to be the issue
[07:31] <Ice9> how can I delete a directory in the terminal?
[07:31] <transgress> bob2: one sec and i will... gotta get on irc on my lappy
[07:32] <dbzdeath> bob2: i haven't seen in apt problems so far? on either to be honest
[07:32] <nickrud> bob2, that's cuz debian never made sources.list difficult
[07:32] <mkyb14> still not added?
[07:32] <bob2> all these people using non-ubuntu repositories without having any idea what they're doing will be the death of us
[07:32] <bob2> nickrud: in what way is it "difficult" in ubuntu?
[07:32] <lastnode> transgress, anything i can do to as a keep alive?
[07:32] <lastnode> apart from ping?
[07:32] <bob2> jakelo: is it an ubuntu machine?
[07:32] <bob2> dbzdeath: you're not adding silly things to your sources.list :)
[07:32] <dbzdeath> mkyb14: add that resource into /etc/apt/sources.list then run the command sudo apt-get update
[07:32] <nickrud> bob2, the thing I was thinking of, pales, next to backports and such
[07:32] <thenuke> bob2: I just thought that could ping ip addresses but could not surf the web for example
[07:32] <bob2> nickrud: yes, backports is a huge problem
[07:33] <dbzdeath> bob2: ahh i see... yes i'm a well behaved ubuntu + debian user ;)
[07:33] <bob2> the root seems to be that the people who want backports are not generally people with the skills to reliabily do so
[07:33] <mkyb14> form the terminal or the gui synaptic
[07:33] <bob2> dbzdeath: hehe
[07:33] <bimberi> Ice9: rmdir <dirname> (if it's empty), rm -rf <dirname> (if it's not, and you're sure)
[07:33] <nickrud> already, I've heard of people talking about firefox 1.5 in a breezy backport ;)
[07:33] <soonf00> Anyone name the major issues cith Breezy Badger preview CD install release yet?
[07:33] <jakelo> bob2, yup
[07:33] <bob2> thenuke: how could dns do that? once the name is resolved (as ping working demonstrates), dns does not enter into it
[07:33] <nalioth> soonf00: it's a preview release?
[07:33] <bob2> jakelo: default settings? ie, no manually setup firewall?
[07:34] <soonf00> nalioth, @chan title
[07:34] <jakelo> bob2,  there was no firewall that was set up that I know of.
[07:34] <transgress> bob2: it's pasted in #flood
[07:34] <transgress_> bob2: it's in #flood
[07:34] <nalioth> soonf00: what?
[07:34] <transgress> wow lag
[07:35] <bob2> jakelo: can you ssh to other machines on the same lane?
[07:35] <soonf00> nalioth, look at the channel title
[07:35] <jakelo> nope
[07:35] <soonf00> topic
[07:35] <jakelo> nothing out it seems
[07:36] <bob2> transgress: something ate some newlines there
[07:36] <bob2> transgress: what does "apt-cache policy vlc" say?
[07:36] <soonf00> bob2, you running Breezy or installed it anywhere?
[07:36] <bob2> jakelo: but you can ping other machines on the lan, and on the interweb?
[07:36] <bob2> soonf00: upgrading atm, actually
[07:36] <nalioth> !tell soonf00 about breezy
[07:36] <jakelo> bob2, yup
[07:36] <Christian> hmmm i found a bug in the installer on gray hair    but i don't know exactly what it is.   it fell into a loop    the cd boots ok but the installer loops infinitle   i rebooted and tried server and low mem but it always loops
[07:37] <soonf00> nalioth, yes i know this -- i want actual user experience!
[07:37] <transgress_> bob2: again it's in #flood
[07:37] <tga> thanks nalioth, seahorse seems alright
[07:37] <nalioth> soonf00: if you run ppc, i advise waiting until official release
[07:38] <soonf00> bob2, upgrading to Breezy from Hoary borked me -- so im trying a fresh install
[07:38] <bob2> soonf00: please do file bugs
[07:38] <soonf00> i was running AMD64
[07:38] <jakelo> bob2, ideas?
[07:38] <bob2> nalioth: have you reported all the issues you had?
[07:38] <nalioth> soonf00: i've not heard of any major problems from the x86 or amd64 users (unless they want some exotic package)
[07:38] <transgress> i am running amd64 and the upgrade has worked grandly for me thus far... how odd
[07:38] <bob2> jakelo: did it used to work?
[07:38] <soonf00> im going back to i386, because packages are much more available
[07:38] <nalioth> bob2: at bugzilla?
[07:38] <bob2> nalioth: yes
[07:38] <jakelo> yup
[07:38] <soonf00> i needed drscheme and sdk1.5
[07:39] <soonf00> both were much trouble
[07:39] <dbzdeath> soonf00: yeah... sometimes i'm tempted to switch to i386 myself... such a pain
[07:39] <nalioth> bob2: i wouldnt know where to start (my ubuntu was riddled with those darned user installed files)
[07:39] <nalioth> soonf00: dbzdeath: you'll not see any major differences using 686
[07:39] <scott1967> hey everyone- we are new to linux, but have had a smooth ride so far using ubuntu.
[07:40] <soonf00> transgress, X died on me after the upgrade
[07:40] <soonf00> transgress, and for some reason libc was mangled too
[07:40] <dbzdeath> nalioth: more packages...  and no flash codec issues etc.
[07:40] <bob2> nalioth: if people don't use ppc until release, the release will be just as broken as preview
[07:41] <nalioth> bob2: ah. now it's my turn to smack my head
[07:41] <bob2> jakelo: what did you change since it last worked?
[07:41] <bob2> nalioth: someone has to go through the rough ride and file all the bigs
[07:41] <soonf00> i just tried vanilla debian, but it sucks -- back to ubuntu @ breezy
[07:41] <bob2> er, bugs
[07:41] <bob2> soonf00: "sucks"?
[07:42] <nalioth> bob2: most of my problem was a blankety-blank lib i compiled (from source ubuntu repos) didnt want to upgrade properly
[07:42] <jakelo> nothing that I know of...but I'm not the only one with access to it.
[07:42] <soonf00> bob2, the problem is that it asked me too many questions that I didnt want to answer
[07:42] <abarbaccia> hey all - i need totem to play .mid files - how do i go about that
[07:42] <bob2> soonf00: e.g.?
[07:42] <abarbaccia> ?
[07:42] <soonf00> bob2, im lazy
[07:42] <soonf00> bob2, what is my default locale?
[07:42] <dbzdeath> hahaha yeah the questions can be a pain
[07:42] <dbzdeath> soonf00: most of the time you can just hit enter :P
[07:42] <dbzdeath> defaults are fine
[07:42] <soonf00> bob2, what message severity do i need to see?
[07:42] <bob2> soonf00: it should just ask you for a lanuage
[07:42] <bob2> soonf00: high
[07:43] <bob2> or critical if you're really lazy
[07:43] <lastnode> ok this time it just hung on me
[07:43] <jjazz> I have cups printing to my printer just fine.  How do I see whether its broadcasting it's ipp info properly?
[07:43] <soonf00> bob2, no it asks for many things -- and in the default config things did not work -- like my CPU frequency scaling for my laptop
[07:43] <lastnode> btw how can i avoid doing insmod everytime i boot up
[07:43] <soonf00> Hoary worked just fine with CPU freq scaling
[07:43] <bob2> soonf00: yes, that would require you to install cpufreqd
[07:43] <bob2> lastnode: don't ever use insmod
[07:43] <dbzdeath> has anyone here successfully debootstrapped a ubuntu system?
[07:44] <bob2> lastnode: you can add module names to /etc/modules if they need to be manually loaded at boot
[07:44] <bob2> dbzdeath: yes
[07:44] <soonf00> bob2, i dont care, what laziness comes down to is "does it work out of the box with minimal config"
[07:44] <lastnode> bob2, i use the rt2750 driver
[07:44] <bob2> indeed
[07:44] <transgress> bob2: did you get any clues what was up with vlc?
[07:44] <lastnode> and i have to load that using insmod
[07:44] <lastnode> but what's wrong with it?
[07:44] <steveO_Office> Quick ? on gtkwifi how do I go about setting the ESSID ?
[07:44] <dbzdeath> bob2: hmmm i ran into problems with initrd when i tried... i've previously done debian but not ubuntu
[07:44] <cevizoglu> aside from bc, what's the equivalent of the command-line calculator "calc" for ubuntu?
[07:44] <lastnode> the machine hangs though when i use dhclient after that
[07:44] <soonf00> bob2, if someone tells me that "all you have to do is..." well it is just one more thing that is not automated that should be
[07:45] <cevizoglu> calc in the packages list is something entirely different, for emacs
[07:45] <bob2> soonf00: did you file a bug asking that cpufreqd be installed by the laptop metapackage?
[07:45] <dbzdeath> haha soonf00 you sound like someone i know... ppl these days so lazy
[07:45] <transgress> ah well i got ogle to work... that should do for the moment
[07:45] <abarbaccia> anybody know a gstreamer plugin to play midi files?
[07:45] <CaiN_SA> its just dandy im using all my cap cos every day i have to update 80 mb , atleast i know lots of stuffs are getting fixed
[07:45] <bob2> abarbaccia: I'd just timidity
[07:45] <lastnode> bob2, how do i load something in to /etc/modules?
[07:46] <CaiN_SA> edit it
[07:46] <bob2> lastnode: as I said, add the module name
[07:46] <CaiN_SA> as root
[07:46] <lastnode> bob2, syntax?
[07:46] <dbzdeath> LasseL: what CaiN_SA said.. but it is /etc/modules.conf
[07:46] <soonf00> bob2, for Debian?
[07:46] <bob2> lastnode: same as every other file that has a list of things in it
[07:46] <transgress> lastnode: just put it on a blank line by itself
[07:46] <bob2> lastnode: one module name per line
[07:46] <bob2> soonf00: yes
[07:46] <soonf00> bob2, i asked in the chan and someone said "all you have to do is ..."
[07:46] <bob2> if not, I revoke your right to bitch on IRC about it
[07:46] <CaiN_SA> bob2, but initramfs scans hardware and modules itself ?
[07:46] <bob2> soonf00: bitching on irc != fileing bug
[07:46] <lastnode> so vi /etc/modules.conf?
[07:46] <CaiN_SA> lol bob2
[07:46] <bob2> lastnode: no, /etc/modules
[07:46] <jakelo> bob2, do you have any other ideas or at least point me in a direction?  I'm out of ideas, (other than reinstall.)
[07:47] <bob2> CaiN_SA: no
[07:47] <tga> every time I start Evolution evolution-data-server eats up all my cpu
[07:47] <soonf00> bob2, the thing is, i dont even know if it is a bug or intentional
[07:47] <lastnode> vi /etc/modules?
[07:47] <bob2> jakelo: if someone else had root, it could be anything
[07:47] <CaiN_SA> modules.conf = linux 2.4 kernels
[07:47] <lastnode> and add rt2570.ko
[07:47] <lastnode> ?
[07:47] <bob2> lastnode: however you edit files
[07:47] <bob2> lastnode: no
[07:47] <dbzdeath> lastnode: sorry my mistake yeah /etc/modules
[07:47] <lastnode> sorry about this
[07:47] <bob2> lastnode: the module name is rt570
[07:47] <lastnode> never done this ebfore
[07:47] <bob2> CaiN_SA: initramfs is just like initrd, it just holds modulesd needed for boot
[07:47] <lastnode> ok thanks
[07:48] <lastnode> so /etc/modules will just open as a list of modules in vi?
[07:48] <bob2> CaiN_SA: I thin kthe kernel uses hotplug to look up the pci id or whatever to find the module
[07:48] <soonf00> bob2, ok fine can you link me to the right place for Debian laptop bugs/issues?
[07:48] <bob2> it's just a text file
[07:48] <abarbaccia> what program should i use to play midi files?
[07:48] <bob2> open it already
[07:48] <bob2> abarbaccia: timidity
[07:48] <jakelo> bob2,  I figure it might be bind with what I've read... but I don't knwo what bind does.
[07:48] <bob2> soonf00: bugs.debian.org or the debian-laptop list
[07:48] <lastnode> bob2, also curious - why did you say to never use insmod?
[07:48] <bz0b> can someone tell me why my gcc wont compile this? http://downloads.securityfocus.com/vulnerabilities/exploits/HOD-ms05039-pnp-expl.c
[07:48] <transgress> ah the sid package for amd64 libdvdcss2 works grandly.  yay
[07:48] <bob2> jakelo: no, bind does not have the ability to randomly drop packets
[07:48] <CaiN_SA> bob2, ah ok. on distrowatch they said ubuntu uses initramfs for hardware detection
[07:48] <soonf00> bz0b, lol
[07:48] <Christian> any way to circumvent this installer loop    suggestions ?
[07:49] <shirotsume> hi all.
[07:49] <jakelo> bob2,  not random.... happening each time.
[07:49] <bob2> lastnode: use modprobe instead; insmod is dumber and doesn't know how to load dependencies
[07:49] <soonf00> bz0b, you need to cast a few things there
[07:49] <bimberi> lastnode: modprobe is safer (handles module dependencies)
[07:49] <bob2> jakelo: bind does not have that ability
[07:49] <lastnode> great
[07:49] <lastnode> so maybe that's why im dying
[07:49] <bob2> CaiN_SA: that sounds like distrowatch being crap
[07:49] <lastnode> what's the modprobe syntax?
[07:49] <lastnode> modprobe rt570
[07:49] <lastnode> ?
[07:49] <CaiN_SA> bob2, ok ok
[07:49] <bob2> lastnode: yes
[07:49] <soonf00> bz0b, why dont you just use Metasploit?
[07:49] <vitriol> is it possible to migrate all mail and settings from thunderbird to evolution?
[07:49] <nickrud> transgress, I think I'd be afraid to look at your package list :)
[07:49] <shirotsume> anyone with an idea how i can change the time settings loaded at bootup and saving change from gmt to local?
[07:49] <bz0b> soonf00, where can I get that?
[07:49] <lastnode> thanks guys, try and brb
[07:49] <CaiN_SA> lastnode, rtfm :P
[07:50] <soonf00> google@metasploit
[07:50] <vitriol> i'm having a heck of a time figuring this out
[07:50] <bob2> bz0b: you'd need to give gcc the correct arguments, and that would need to be source suitable for unix
[07:50] <soonf00> bz0b, think its metasploit.org
[07:50] <bob2> shirotsume: sudo base-config
[07:50] <soonf00> bob2, it is
[07:50] <bob2> vitriol: mail, yes
[07:50] <shirotsume> ty!
[07:51] <vitriol> bob2: how?
[07:51] <bob2> vitriol: thunderbid doesn't have an import function?
[07:51] <vitriol> bob2: using evolutions import feature i'm not having much luck :(
[07:51] <vitriol> bob2: i'm trying to import into evolution
[07:51] <bob2> vitriol: breezy?
[07:51] <vitriol> bob2: yes
[07:51] <bob2> vitriol: please file a bug
[07:52] <vitriol> bob2: a bug?!
[07:52] <vitriol> there's no bug
[07:52] <benplaut> is there a way to make desktop icons without text, so it blends well into the background?
[07:52] <vitriol> i just don't know how to import mail
[07:52] <TraceGreen> hello, Does anyone try to use partimage in liveCD?
[07:52] <benplaut> TraceGreen, many try, few survive
[07:52] <benplaut> j/k :P
[07:53] <benplaut> nickrud, anything involving beurocracy?
[07:54] <TraceGreen> benplaut, i tried partimage in knoppix, but find some problems.
[07:54] <nickrud> benplaut, nah, just find the right person. (easier said than done :)
[07:54] <benplaut> TraceGreen, i can't quite help you... i just hang around here and make witty comments :P
[07:55] <TraceGreen> benplaut, anyway, thanks very much.
[07:55] <CaiN_SA> TraceGreen, well this aint knoppix
[07:55] <TraceGreen> CaiN_SA, yeah, i know. sorry.
[07:56] <tga> did anyone else experience evolution causing high cpu load?
[07:56] <Kytten> hi
[07:57] <nickrud> tga, often, less so over the years. I just killed it. I've never lost any mail over it.
[07:57] <tga> nickrud, evolution-data-server-1.2 hangs every time I start gaim with evo integration and now evo by itself.. 100% cpu load
[07:58] <Kytten> i need help with fixing my modom , i did install it but it's not working , anyone can help me
[07:58] <shirotsume> ah at least. worked fine. thanks bob2 and have a nice day all
[07:59] <nickrud> tga, please tell me you've abstracted your mail store from your mail client.
[07:59] <tga> imap all the way
[07:59] <bob2> hah
[07:59] <Kytten> i wanna post something
[07:59] <Kytten> so u can help me
[08:00] <cafuego> gaim with evo integration?
[08:00] <nickrud> whew. Wipe out .evolution, and restart. It's roundabout, but works
[08:00] <Kytten>  myself@Home:/media/floppy$ sudo dpkg -i sl-mod~1.deb(Reading database ... 58610 files and directories currently installed.)Preparing to replace sl-modem-daemon 2.9.9a-1ubuntu4 (using sl-mod~1.deb) ...Shutting down SmartLink Modem driver normally ... no slmodemd daemon running.Unpacking replacement sl-modem-daemon ...Setting up sl-modem-daemon (2.9.9a-1ubuntu4) ...Loading ALSA modem driver into kernel ... done.Starting SmartLink Modem driver for: .Creating 
[08:00] <cafuego> Is that something new I didn't get a memo for?
[08:00] <tga> cafuego, there's a plugin for gaim that allows you to select an evo contact when you add a new buddy
[08:00] <cafuego> tga: Ah ok, not for me then.
[08:01] <tga> I like my toys to talk to each other
[08:01] <Kytten> it's pointing to: /dev/ttySL0 but once i go to configure it dosent work
[08:01] <Kytten> anyone can help me
[08:01] <cafuego> Kytten: Can they?
[08:02] <Kytten> i installed that chipset software
[08:02] <tga> nickrud, now the question is how do you abstract your contact list from evo
[08:02] <Kytten> and pointing to: /dev/ttySL0
[08:02] <nickrud> tga, ldap
[08:02] <Kytten> it's pointing to: /dev/ttySL0 but once i go to configure it dosent work
[08:02] <tga> nickrud, using ldap to store an address book seems like overkill to me
[08:02] <bob2> Kytten: " go to configure"?
[08:02] <Kytten> k
[08:02] <lastnode> bob2, i cant do modprobe
[08:03] <nickrud> tga, absraction from things that break is not overkill
[08:03] <lastnode> it says no module found] 
[08:03] <Kytten> what do u there bob2
[08:03] <Kytten> cuz i tried it
[08:03] <Kytten> not working
[08:03] <CaiN_SA> eish
[08:03] <CaiN_SA> grammer :(
[08:03] <Kytten> my modem in com 3
[08:03] <bimberi> spelling :(
[08:04] <Kytten> and that install pointing to: /dev/ttySL0
[08:04] <nickrud> but, I just backup the contact list regularly, it's less over head :)
[08:04] <CaiN_SA> why ttySL0 ?
[08:04] <CaiN_SA> what modem is that ? analog or isdn ?
[08:04] <Kytten> my modem analog
[08:05] <bob2> Kytten: you're being too vague
[08:05] <CaiN_SA> ah
[08:05] <lastnode> bob2?
[08:05] <bob2> Kytten: how on earth are you trying to configure it?
[08:05] <CaiN_SA> then make it to : /dev/ttyS0
[08:05] <bob2> lastnode: then you didn't install the module properly
[08:05] <CaiN_SA> bob2, her com port is wrong
[08:05] <lastnode> it asked me to untar
[08:05] <Kytten> yes it's installed
[08:05] <lastnode> and run make inside /Module/
[08:05] <Kytten> i will show u
[08:05] <lastnode> i did
[08:05] <bob2> CaiN_SA: no, it will be a bizarro port, since it's using a binary driver
[08:05] <bimberi> CaiN_SA: I think we're talking smartlink here
[08:05] <bob2> Kytten: no, stop
[08:05] <bob2> Kytten: tell us what tool you're trying to use to configure it
[08:05] <Kytten> k
[08:05] <lastnode> insmod takes the .ko extension
[08:06] <lastnode> but modprobe doesnt
[08:06] <CaiN_SA> lastnode, ya
[08:06] <lastnode> hey Lethal-Rocks
[08:06] <Lethal-Rocks> Hey lastnode
[08:06] <cafuego> *wow*
[08:06] <lastnode> i got the driver untarred
[08:06] <Kytten> sl-modem-modules-2.6.10-5-386_2.9.9a-1ubuntu2+2.6.10-34_i386
[08:06] <Lethal-Rocks> Ya and compiled?
[08:06] <lastnode> and it works with insmod
[08:06] <Kytten> the one u pointed me for
[08:06] <lastnode> yeah
[08:06] <bob2> lastnode: then you haven't installed it properly
[08:06] <lastnode> i did make in /Module/
[08:06] <bob2> Kytten: that has nothign to do with configuring it
[08:07] <Kytten> yup
[08:07] <Lethal-Rocks> Oh, I think mine went somewhere else
[08:07] <bob2> Kytten: now run 'sudo pppconfig'
[08:07] <lastnode> bob2, i dont follow at all :(
[08:07] <Kytten> i congfigure it with ppp
[08:07] <Kytten> dailaup configration
[08:07] <lastnode> Lethal-Rocks, after i do insmod and run dhclient, it works for a little
[08:07] <lastnode> and then times out
[08:07] <lastnode> or alternatively, the system just hands
[08:07] <lastnode> *hangs
[08:08] <bob2> lastnode: if it doesn't work, why are you bothering to make it load automatically?
[08:08] <Lethal-Rocks> lastnode, did you doo the alias command?
[08:08] <CaiN_SA> erm i still think it might be what i said but ok
[08:08] <bob2> Kytten: ignore that and run the command I gave you
[08:08] <furic> How would i go about getting the sun java plugin in firefox?
[08:08] <aftertaf> !info imagemagick
[08:08] <ubotu> imagemagick: (Image manipulation programs), section graphics, is optional. Version: 6:6.0.6.2-2.1ubuntu1 (hoary), Packaged size: 1430 kB, Installed size: 5200 kB
[08:08] <bob2> furic: wiki.ubuntu.com/Java
[08:08] <lastnode> Lethal-Rocks, as in?
[08:08] <Kytten> once i installed that moudles told me everything installed and pointed me to: /dev/ttySL0 but once i tried that configration tool dosent work
[08:08] <cafuego> furic: wiki.ubuntu.com/Java
[08:08] <lastnode> iwconfig finds rausb0
[08:08] <furic> ty
[08:09] <Lethal-Rocks> something like echo "alias rausb0 rt2570" | <can'tremember>
[08:09] <Kytten> what command bob2
[08:09] <cafuego> Lethal-Rocks: /etc/modutils/rausb
[08:09] <bob2> Kytten: sudo pppconfig
[08:09] <cafuego> Lethal-Rocks: But with '>' and not '|'.
[08:09] <Kytten> i should type that in terminal
[08:10] <Lethal-Rocks> cafuego, it's on the wiki, so I beleive it :P
[08:10] <bob2> Kytten: yes
[08:10] <Kytten> but the file which i installed from floppy , should i go to floppy again
[08:10] <cafuego> Lethal-Rocks: No, the wiki doesn't say to echo that into a pipe. Or if it does, it's wrong.
[08:10] <Kytten> or it's over
[08:11] <bob2> Kytten: ignore all that
[08:11] <Lethal-Rocks> cafuego, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Rt2500WirelessCardsHowTo Under "And what if I don't need RaConfig"
[08:11] <lastnode> Lethal-Rocks, is that after insmod?
[08:11] <Kytten> k
[08:11] <Kytten> i will try it now
[08:11] <Lethal-Rocks> insmod was a test
[08:11] <Kytten> and ty for helping  me
[08:11] <Lethal-Rocks> This is supposedly to start the driver automatically
[08:12] <cafuego> Lethal-Rocks: Ah, to tee.
[08:12] <cafuego> Lethal-Rocks: yeah, '>' is the same as '| tee'
[08:12] <Lethal-Rocks> Yeah, I couldn't remember until I went there :P
[08:13] <Cryptid> i am having trouble playing .avi files the video keeps skiping i am sure that there is no problem with the files so i removed the gstram and w32codes, will it help if i just install the w32codecs, i mean will the codecs help to play other file formats
[08:13] <tga> nalioth, seahorse doesn't know about key servers :\
[08:14] <cafuego> tga: It does on breezy
[08:14] <nalioth> tga: seahorse isnt the greatest frontend, try kgpg
[08:14] <nalioth> tga: also read up on gpg settings, you can add keyservers in your gpg settings
[08:14] <tga> I don't want any kde apps
[08:14] <hume> is there a way to get the standard debian menu to be included in the KDE and Gnome menus in ubuntu? having trouble navigating the menus
[08:15] <bob2> hm, my nautilus icons are gone
[08:15] <bob2> hume: install menu
[08:15] <tga> I'm mostly using gpg in the console
[08:15] <nalioth> tga: then read up on using gpg
[08:15] <bitje> anyone knows when 5.10 will be out ?
[08:15] <Lethal-Rocks> bitje, Oct 13
[08:16] <nalioth> tga http://www.linuxgazette.com/node/8746
[08:16] <LootBeer> how do i know what cd burners i have in my box???
[08:16] <bitje> hmm.. and I thought that we where living in October.. hmm.. it is September now.. ;)
[08:16] <bimberi> bob2: file a bug (sorry, couldn't resist) :)
[08:17] <GrannyTux> can anyone help with an install question
[08:17] <thenuke> GrannyTux: propably, just ask :)
[08:17] <bob2> bimberi: hah
[08:17] <GrannyTux> i have two 4 gig hard drive would like to install ubuntu
[08:18] <Dr_Willis> 4 gb?
[08:18] <GrannyTux> and need suggestions on what should be on each
[08:18] <Dr_Willis> or do ya mean 40gb? I hope...
[08:18] <thenuke> gig = gb
[08:18] <GrannyTux> no this is an old p3
[08:18] <tga> thanks nalioth, I know about console gpg, I was just curious about a nice front end
[08:18] <Dr_Willis> ewwwwww
[08:18] <thenuke> ubuntu fits into 4gb perfectly
[08:18] <Dr_Willis> :P
[08:18] <GrannyTux> using up spare part for a give away
[08:18] <nickrud> GrannyTux, make one root, and one home
[08:18] <nalioth> tga: i've used seahorse and prefer kgpg (i usually use the console)
[08:18] <nickrud> enough to play with
[08:19] <chesty> hello, how do I automate the installation of a single package that uses debconf?
[08:19] <GrannyTux> ya but i would like to separte the home and mabye var i don't know
[08:19] <Madpilot> GrannyTux: Ubuntu takes up about 1.7Gb on install, so a 4GB drive is fine...
[08:19] <hume> bob2, after install of menus, i can run update-menus, but that doesn't give me the debian submenu - is there a way to do that?
[08:19] <ptlria001> is this a tech chat room or just normal chat?
[08:19] <Madpilot> ptlria001: tech, except when it isn't ;)
[08:19] <thenuke> ptlria001: official help channel
[08:20] <hume> bob2, sorry, now it just did appear.....
[08:20] <nickrud> GrannyTux, forget about /var and such on other partitions, unless you want to make it a server
[08:20] <h4zn> do any of you know how to install Linux on my Palm 31?
[08:20] <soonf00> Anyone else notice Right-click "Laucnh Terminal" missing on the Gnome desktop in Breezy?
[08:20] <thenuke> h4zn: try google
[08:20] <lastnode_> Lethal-Rocks, ok rebooting
[08:20] <lastnode_> followed the wiki tutorial step by step
[08:20] <blastradius> Hi people
[08:20] <nickrud> hume, I needed to get menu-xdg to get the debian menu
[08:20] <GrannyTux> thx nic
[08:21] <Cryptid> plz help ,i am having trouble playing .avi files the video keeps skiping i am sure that there is no problem with the files so i removed the gstram and w32codes, will it help if i just install the w32codecs, i mean will the codecs help to play other file formats
[08:21] <blastradius> Cryptid, can't hurt can it.
[08:22] <soonf00> Anyone have Breezy installed?
[08:22] <ubuntu> hello all
[08:22] <lastnode_> oh
[08:22] <ubuntu> how the heck do i enable sound in hoary?
[08:22] <bob2> ubuntu: it's already enabled
[08:22] <ubuntu> how?
[08:22] <bob2> perhaps you could elaborate?
[08:22] <ubuntu> well i can't hear anything
[08:22] <blastradius> it just worked for me
[08:22] <lastnode_> bob2, does ubuntu take long to configure network interfaces
[08:22] <Cryptid> blastradius, are u suggesting me to use only w32codecs
[08:22] <lastnode_> or is it just me?
[08:22] <ubuntu> ?
[08:23] <soonf00> bob2, you done upgrading yet?  seems like you can't right click the desktop in the new gnome 2.12 to get a new terminal
[08:23] <bob2> lastnode_: no
[08:23] <ubuntu> well, will someone tell me how to enable sound?
[08:23] <lastnode_> bob2, any idea why that is?
[08:23] <bob2> soonf00: yes, but I don't use gnome-terminal, anyway
[08:23] <drummer101|afk> what does "short read in buffer_copy(backend dpkg-deb ... ) mean?
[08:23] <ubuntu> PLEASE?
[08:23] <bob2> ubuntu: please stop it
[08:23] <bob2> ubuntu: stop be irritating
[08:23] <lastnode_> ubuntu, are your speakers on?
[08:23] <bob2> ubuntu: explain exactly what isn't working
[08:23] <ubuntu> yes
[08:23] <lastnode_> is the volume turned up? system volume?
[08:23] <ubuntu> it's on
[08:23] <bob2> DaouMei: that your disk is broken
[08:23] <kasz> I get the message "The X Server does not support the XRandR extension.  Runtime resolution changes to the display size are not available." How can i fix this? Or how can i manually change the refresh rate when i start X?
[08:23] <ubuntu> it's on full volume
[08:23] <blastradius> cryptid, i just ran the zip file you'll find if you google mrbass ubuntu. Now i can run anything
[08:23] <soonf00> bob2, is there a place to report this -- is it a bug or feature?
[08:23] <bob2> drummer101|afk: that your disk is broken
[08:23] <GrannyTux> whats the latest scoop on 64 bit media plugins for firefox
[08:23] <lastnode_> does the sound work in any other os you have installed?
[08:23] <michel> Question for all, I am trying to find a firewall software from tucows.  is uBuntu a platform, or just a theme thing.  I am very new to linux.
[08:24] <ubuntu> yes in all other os
[08:24] <lastnode_> look in the ubuntu device manager, does it see your soundcard?
[08:24] <ubuntu> it works just fine
[08:24] <bob2> soonf00: apt-cahce search nautilus terminal, you have to install some other thing
[08:24] <bob2> michel: don't use tucows
[08:24] <ubuntu> yes it does see my sound card
[08:24] <cevizoglu> ubuntu: all other os meaning what?
[08:24] <bob2> michel: and you almost certainly don't need a firewall
[08:24] <nickrud> soonf00, try apt-get'ing nautilus-open-terminal
[08:24] <michel> What should I use?
[08:24] <ubuntu> 98, 2000 they work fine
[08:24] <ippiraman> hello all!
[08:24] <michel> K
[08:24] <ubuntu> only in ubuntu i doesn't work
[08:24] <nybble> hey! ijust got a Tucows Cow...
[08:24] <nybble> lol
[08:24] <cevizoglu> ubuntu: lol
[08:24] <michel> For other utility apps, what site should I use
[08:24] <henk> hi i stalled ati drivers for my card hoping for some better performace with translucensy etc (i have a radeon 9100 which should be capable of the cool stuff) but that did not do much. However the guys at ati were kind enough te replace the control center in the startmenu with an ati conrol option. Where do i get the normal apllication for controlling the system ?
[08:24] <Cryptid> blastradius, what all files does it support
[08:24] <Madpilot> michel: Firestarter is in Ubuntu's repos, if you really need a firewall
[08:25] <ippiraman> we have a huge problem
[08:25] <ippiraman> the gov
[08:25] <ippiraman> the gov't has a nationwide crackdown of pirated software
[08:25] <soonf00> bob2, nickrud, there is nothign in the breezy repos for this
[08:25] <ubuntu> i had to uninstall my ubuntu
[08:25] <bob2> michel: wiki.ubuntu.com/SynapticHowto
[08:25] <ubuntu> sine it refused to play sounds
[08:25] <michel> repos?
[08:25] <soonf00> also is Aptitude now preferred over apt-get?
[08:25] <ubuntu> i m currently running the live version
[08:25] <ippiraman> so i'm migrating all to ubuntu
[08:25] <bob2> henk: I'm pretty sure firegl does not do anything on your card
[08:25] <ubuntu> :(
[08:25] <bob2> ippiraman: that's not really a huge problem
[08:26] <bob2> soonf00: yeha
[08:26] <thoreauputic> michel: you don't need to search the web for apps - ubuntu does it for you
[08:26] <ubuntu> :(
[08:26] <michel> ah
[08:26] <mkyb14> ok there are no setup instructions for BUM boot manager...... anyone know how to install the damn thing
[08:26] <ubuntu> i m currently running the live version
[08:26] <nickrud> soonf00, apt-cache policy tells me it's in universe
[08:26] <ubuntu> still can't hear a damn thing
[08:26] <thoreauputic> michel: read the synaptic howto bob2 ponted you to
[08:26] <GrannyTux> everone seen the new * window authentication * no more updates
[08:26] <ubuntu> y is linux still so hard to just freaking install and run?
[08:26] <soonf00> nickrud, ok -- havent added that yet -- whoops
[08:26] <bob2> I really don't like this whiney attitude
[08:26] <bob2> ubuntu: oh, stop it
[08:26] <ippiraman> bob2: one problem is obtaining cedega freely and webcam support in gaim
[08:27] <ubuntu> y?
[08:27] <bob2> ubuntu: it works for the vast majority of people; if it doesn't work on your particular hardware, file a bug so it can be fixed
[08:27] <Madpilot> ubuntu: that depends on your hardware; my sound worked right out of the install
[08:27] <bob2> ippiraman: that's not a problem, you just pay transgaming and they give you cedega
[08:27] <soonf00> ubuntu, I think breezy was the simplest of any distro out there
[08:27] <HrdwrBoB> ippiraman: how on earth is not obtaining cedega freely an ubuntu problem
[08:27] <ubuntu> how can i get breezy?
[08:27] <ippiraman> don't have credit card
[08:27] <ippiraman> :-(
[08:27] <cevizoglu> ubuntu: download it and burn it to a cd
[08:27] <soonf00> ubuntu, ubuntulinux.org -> download -> Breezy
[08:28] <ubuntu> ok, is that an old version of ubuntu?
[08:28] <bob2> ippiraman: then email them and offer to post a cheque or something
[08:28] <tga> huh? breezy shouldn't be out
[08:28] <ubuntu> is it better than hoary?
[08:28] <soonf00> ubuntu, no it is the newest
[08:28] <bob2> ippiraman: this is not an ubuntu problem
[08:28] <ubuntu> ok, tx
[08:28] <henk> bob2 the ati driver manual stated that my card was supported, and it did do "something" .. *slow* translucency is now replaced by *bad* translucency meaning that i get windows that are hardly visible because other windows and artifacts are renderend on top of it etc. So it messes up pretty good. I'm not using translucency now and it works. However there is the issue of ati replacing the control panel
[08:28] <thenuke> ubuntu: but you might want to consider that if you really should use breezy if you dont know how to get it ;) it's not stable yet
[08:28] <soonf00> tga, the preview CD ISO is
[08:28] <bob2> pointing whingey windows users at breezy does not seem like a hot idea
[08:28] <tga> ah, the preview, nm
[08:28] <ubuntu> i want to see the live CD
[08:28] <nickrud> rofl
[08:28] <ubuntu> before i install anything this time
[08:28] <soonf00> tga, actually, it seems surprisingly well groomed for a preview
[08:29] <cevizoglu> ubuntu: you should wait until it's final then
[08:29] <ubuntu> question: does an inbuilt soundcard have problems with most distros?
[08:29] <nalioth> aftertaf: please do us the favor
[08:29] <GrannyTux> anybody get 3d working on a voodoo 2000
[08:29] <bob2> ubuntu: if your sound does not work out of the box, you need to file a coherenet and compleyte bug report so it can be fixed
[08:29] <cevizoglu> ubuntu: it sounds like you're very put off by technical problems, you should wait until it's done
[08:29] <soonf00> tga, run Debian stable then :-)
[08:29] <blastradius> hi people
[08:29] <ubuntu> yes, i'm pissed off by a silly sound problem
[08:29] <soonf00> tga, and then cry all day because your software is out of date
[08:29] <ubuntu> everything else is just fine...
[08:29] <mahangu> woo
[08:30] <cevizoglu> ubuntu: did you look to see if your sound card is supported?
[08:30] <mahangu> im on from ubuntu
[08:30] <tga> soonf00, all software was current at some point
[08:30] <soonf00> ubuntu, try using the Hardware Device Databade to report your problem
[08:30] <ubuntu> i've reported, but i'm just impatient
[08:30] <ubuntu> :|
[08:30] <soonf00> ubuntu, Applications -> System Tools -> Ubuntu Device Database
[08:30] <henk> bob2, you don't by any chance know what the normal control panel in kde is called ?
[08:30] <soonf00> henk, kcontrol
[08:31] <Burgundavia> soonf00, that data is currently awaiting a use, and does not consistitute a bug report
[08:31] <bob2> henk: don't use kde, sorry
[08:31] <blastradius> ok, i'm using XChat, is there a better gui client or have i picked the right one?
[08:31] <ubuntu> the reason for my impatience is that i didn't want my local school to install windows
[08:31] <mahangu> xchat rocks
[08:31] <soonf00> Burgundavia, im using it
[08:31] <cafuego> bob2: Don't be sorry, it's good advice.
[08:31] <ubuntu> instead i gave them ubuntu... but the sound doesn't work
[08:31] <soonf00> ubuntu, why not install edubuntu instead?
[08:31] <cevizoglu> blastradius: I like xchat
[08:31] <ubuntu> is that another distro?
[08:31] <nalioth> gt: remember your manners
[08:32] <ubuntu> subdistro?
[08:32] <ubuntu> perhaps...
[08:32] <henk> soonf00, yes thnx!
[08:32] <Burgundavia> soonf00, I am talking about taking the data out and doing something with it
[08:32] <ubuntu> hey burgundavia....
[08:32] <cafuego> henk: The application and package name are 'kcontrol'
[08:32] <ubuntu> hey burgundavia....
[08:32] <blastradius> cevizoglu, good, i tried KVirc but things don't seem to work as i expect. (i am running Kubuntu)
[08:32] <ubuntu> r u the same guy from wikipedia?
[08:32] <Burgundavia> ubuntu, what do you need help with?
[08:32] <Burgundavia> ubuntu, yes
[08:32] <mkyb14> ok there are no setup instructions for BUM boot manager...... anyone know how to install the damn thing
[08:33] <ubuntu> ok cool
[08:33] <bob2> mkyb14: it really has no documentation at all?
[08:33] <mkyb14> i'm proly dislexic
[08:33] <ubuntu> the world is a small place after all..
[08:33] <mkyb14> but no steps that i can find
[08:33] <aftertaf> is the imagemagick package broken and unobtainable in breezy for anyone else but me?
[08:34] <nybble> aftertaf: *checks*
[08:34] <tga> mkyb14, just use grub
[08:34] <aftertaf> k nybble cheers.
[08:34] <pef> hello
[08:34] <cafuego> imagemagick is already the newest version.
[08:34] <cafuego> sorry :-)
[08:34] <mkyb14> notto edit my boot sequemnce of programs
[08:34] <ubuntu> so guys, is edubuntu good enough?
[08:34] <smurf> Uhm, I hate asking for help, but does anyone know why my firefox would keep locking the ENTIRE X system up?
[08:34] <nybble> aftertaf: imagemagick is already the newest version.
[08:34] <ubuntu> does it have sound problems etc.?
[08:34] <cafuego> ubuntu: for what?
[08:34] <nybble> sorry
[08:35] <ippiraman> is it safe to upgrade to breezy now?
[08:35] <cevizoglu> smurf: are you on PPC by any chance?
[08:35] <ubuntu> for educational purposes
[08:35] <ubuntu> like schools, colleges etc...
[08:35] <cafuego> aftertaf: I just did 'dpkg -P' and reinstalled it via apt-get, works fine.
[08:35] <aftertaf>  nybble : imagemagick 6:6.2.3.4-1ubuntu1?
[08:35] <nybble> ippiraman: i have no problem with it
[08:35] <ompaul> ippiraman, if you are willing to have a couple of hundred megs a day upgrades it seems good enough
[08:35] <smurf> no, I'm on x86, athlon xp.   I'm thinking it may be a theme I'm using
[08:35] <cafuego> aftertaf: 6.2.3.4-1ubuntu1
[08:35] <aftertaf> ok its my distro/proxy/
[08:36] <nybble> aftertaf: 6:6.2.3.4-1ubuntu1
[08:36] <cafuego> could be a broken x86 apckage; mine's x86_64
[08:36] <nybble> i'm x86
[08:36] <nybble> no problems here
[08:36] <aftertaf> no panic then, its local (to me!!)
[08:36] <aftertaf> !repos
[08:36] <ubotu> [repos]  at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto A list of official repositories can be found at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969
[08:37] <cevizoglu> smurf: when my system was relatively new running warty, I got four or five kp's with firefox.  they went away with hoary
[08:37] <leopard> can I remove ~/.gnome and have it reappear fresh on relogin?
[08:37] <ubuntu> Is it possible to make my own live CD based on ubuntu distro?
[08:37] <bob2> leopard: yeah
[08:37] <bob2> ubuntu: yes
[08:37] <nybble> off to sleep i go
[08:38] <nybble> ttyl
[08:38] <leopard> thanks...problem with the taskbar
[08:38] <ubuntu> i want to add yahoo and skype along with it, can u tell me how?
[08:38] <ompaul> ippiraman, in fact that was unfair - there was 334 packages since colony four ~ 255 megs ... and there are 105 megs since about 12 hours ago -
[08:38] <smurf> cevizoglu: well, I'm running hoary too
[08:38] <ubuntu> if i'm not being a PITA
[08:38] <nickrud> leopard, you may need to remove .gconfd as well
[08:38] <mkyb14> ok there are no setup instructions for BUM boot manager...... anyone know how to install the damn thing
[08:38] <leopard> nickrud: thanks
[08:38] <ompaul> ippiraman,  that 255 was up to 7 hours ago - different box
[08:38] <[Wiebel] > moin
[08:39] <ompaul> mkyb14, apt-get install ?
[08:39] <mkyb14> doens't owrk
[08:39] <mkyb14> work
[08:39] <ubuntu> is it possible to add yahoo messenger and skype to my live CD distro?
[08:39] <nalioth> grsstig
[08:39] <[Wiebel] > since upgrading to breezy it seems that I don't have sound anymore with flash
[08:39] <mkyb14> i'm using hoary not breezy
[08:39] <[Wiebel] > starting firefox with esddsp wount work
[08:39] <ompaul> mkyb14, have you the package?
[08:39] <[Wiebel] > with artsdsp will, but hey, who wants that ;)
[08:39] <danz0r> Hi im newb
[08:39] <mkyb14> i downloaded it manually
[08:40] <mkyb14> but i don't see a readme file etc
[08:40] <cafuego> Ugh, dtsche
[08:40] <smurf> hi newb
[08:40] <ompaul> mkyb14,  sudo dpkg -i blah.deb
[08:40] <danz0r> how do i join different channels
[08:40] <bob2> ubuntu: it's not trivial
[08:40] <bimberi> danz0r: /j #channel
[08:40] <bob2> ubuntu: and will require you to learn a lot about how ubuntu works
[08:40] <thoreauputic> danz0r: /join #foo
[08:40] <ubuntu> ok
[08:40] <cafuego> mh
[08:40] <GrannyTux> dumb question is it possible to get gaim to do vidoe and audio like msn
[08:40] <ubuntu> it's not just drag and drop, eh? :)
[08:41] <bob2> if you're at the stage of complaining that your sound doesn't work, I'd think you'd have to be willing to put in a lot of work
[08:41] <danz0r> where do i see a list of channels
[08:41] <mkyb14> is it installed now?
[08:41] <cevizoglu> ubuntu: do you want to make the livecd for just one kind of hardware, or several?
[08:41] <ubuntu> maybe there should be a modular live Cd
[08:41] <kasz> I get the message "The X Server does not support the XRandR extension.  Runtime resolution changes to the display size are not available." How can i fix this? Or how can i manually change the refresh rate when i start X?
[08:41] <[Wiebel] > anyone who has sound with firefox+flash? :)
[08:41] <ompaul> mkyb14, sudo bum<< will tell
[08:41] <bob2> ubuntu: it is modular
[08:41] <bob2> [Wiebel] : pkill esd, try reloading
[08:42] <ubuntu> just one kind of hardware
[08:42] <bob2> kasz: someone broke your X config
[08:42] <[Wiebel] > bob2: no go
[08:42] <[Wiebel] > tried that allready
[08:42] <[Wiebel] > on hoary i used to do AOSS
[08:42] <bimberi> danz0r: http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#channellist
[08:42] <kasz> bob2, apparently, but how do i fix it?
[08:42] <gerger> thank you
[08:42] <nickrud> danz0r, I found http://searchirc.com/ useful for finding channels
[08:42] <[Wiebel] > that worked fine :)
[08:42] <ubuntu> the motherboard manufacturers should also give drivers for linux
[08:43] <ubuntu> they only give for windows assuming e1 uses windows...
[08:43] <pclu> jtyytj
[08:43] <mkyb14> awsome
[08:43] <mkyb14> thanks
[08:43] <bob2> [Wiebel] : "no go"?  you restarted firewfox and it didn't work?
[08:43] <gerger> ok os i asked ewarlier and someone, cant recall who, kept telling me to go to a link they gave... but the link for installing nvidia drivers really doesnt make sense to me
[08:43] <ompaul> ubuntu, write to yours and say I want open source drivers for my mobo
[08:43] <bob2> ubuntu: no, manufacturers are not where you should get drivers from
[08:43] <bob2> ubuntu: since they will be crap, binary and distro-specific
[08:43] <jollyroger> Can anybody tell me whether or not the breezy preview supports ADM8211 wifi cards out of the box?
[08:43] <cevizoglu> ubuntu: it's much easier to find howto's on making a livecd than it actually is making one.  just my $0.2
[08:43] <[Wiebel] > bob2: indeed
[08:43] <bob2> ubuntu: ubuntu already supports more types of hardware than windows, out of the box
[08:44] <[Wiebel] > i've tried all sorts of things
[08:44] <bob2> jollyroger: does that have a Free driver?
[08:44] <[Wiebel] > the only way to get it working is with artsdsp
[08:44] <bob2> [Wiebel] : nothing else is using /dev/dsp?
[08:44] <bob2> [Wiebel] : then kill arts
[08:44] <smurf> bob2: really????
[08:44] <[Wiebel] > bob2: nop
[08:44] <lastnode> bob2: got it working, thanks
[08:44] <bob2> smurf: yes
[08:44] <[Wiebel] > bob2: i did
[08:44] <ubuntu> ok, but isn't all these distros out there actually making it difficult?
[08:44] <bob2> ubuntu: no
[08:44] <bob2> ubuntu: of course not
[08:44] <cevizoglu> bob2: given that ubuntu works on my powerbook, I agree  :)
[08:44] <jollyroger> bob2: there is a GPL driver for ADM8211 at aluminum.sourmilk.net
[08:44] <lastnode> bob2: now just wondering why it takes so long on configuring network devices?
[08:44] <[Wiebel] > bob2: firefox should do esd though and that won't work :)
[08:44] <[Wiebel] > or AOSS
[08:44] <bob2> jollyroger: then it will probably work
[08:44] <ubuntu> i mean it's not like windows where i have a simple program and it works
[08:44] <ubuntu> on any windows
[08:44] <bob2> ubuntu: sure it is
[08:45] <gerger> if anyone would bother ot explain the methods for removing the current drivers, i think i can handle the rest... it doesnt quite seem to excplain removal at the faqs
[08:45] <ubuntu> but in linux it's all mixed up
[08:45] <bob2> ubuntu: no, because your distribution will package it for you, and you can install it with one click
[08:45] <bob2> ubuntu: only if you make it hard for yourself
[08:45] <jollyroger> bob2: that's not what I'm asking.  I'm asking if it does work...
[08:45] <bob2> gerger: "current drivers" of what?
[08:45] <ompaul> ubuntu, you are thinking like someone in windows world ... have a look at theLinux world because every restriction you know is most likely wrong
[08:45] <bimberi> lastnode: it can take a while if, for example, you're configured for DHCP and you're not on a DHCP network
[08:45] <gerger> i just need drivers with soem kind of 3d acceleration
[08:45] <ubuntu> no what i mean is u go to a shop get a games Cd
[08:45] <lastnode> bimberi: oh that must be reason
[08:45] <ubuntu> and run it on any dumb windows machine
[08:45] <gerger> seems like even the screen savers cant be run at speed on the current ones
[08:45] <ompaul> ubuntu, complain to the makers
[08:45] <cafuego> gerger: What card?
[08:46] <gerger> fx5200
[08:46] <bob2> ubuntu: and that happens on linux, too
[08:46] <gerger> seems there torouble with this one i guess?
[08:46] <lastnode> bimberi: also, are there any wifi tools i can apt-get?
[08:46] <bimberi> lastnode: in which case you can <CTRL>C it
[08:46] <bob2> lastnode: configuring? you mean running dhcp?
[08:46] <ubuntu> but in linux i have to see if they run on my distro etc...
[08:46] <bob2> ubuntu: no you don't
[08:46] <cafuego> gerger: install the restricted modules and nvidia-glx
[08:46] <lastnode> bob2: at bootup mate
[08:46] <ubuntu> how?
[08:46] <gerger> i dont know how though
[08:46] <lastnode> it says "configuring network devices" for ages
[08:46] <cafuego> !nvidia
[08:46] <ubotu> nvidia is, like, totally, at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia
[08:46] <bob2> ubuntu: have you ever bought a proprietary game for linux?
[08:46] <gerger> mine too
[08:46] <cafuego> gerger: there's a HOWTO :-)
[08:46] <gerger> about the network config it says for like a minute
[08:46] <ubuntu> i tried to, but they don't sell here
[08:46] <bob2> lastnode: did you tell it to use dhcp, but when it boots it's not connected to a dhcp server?
[08:47] <bob2> ubuntu: there you go
[08:47] <gerger> !nvidia
[08:47] <bob2> ubuntu: if you do buy it, it works just like on windows
[08:47] <bob2> ubuntu: you read the side of the box to see if your OS is vaguely modern enough, then you install it
[08:47] <bimberi> lastnode: lots, search in synaptic, and have a look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WiFiHowto
[08:47] <enchanter> What does DSDT mean? " ACPI: Looking for DSDT in initrd... not found!"
[08:48] <ubuntu> no, what i mean is if i create an application in windows, it works on all windows
[08:48] <bob2> enchanter: it's some code stored in your bios that's used by the ACPI system in the kernel
[08:48] <gerger> brb
[08:48] <GrannyTux> fte many hows of tweeking i would like to back up my unbuntu install to a bootable dvd can anyone point me to a good faq on this
[08:48] <bob2> ubuntu: and it's the same in linux
[08:48] <rawi_> I try to activate gui but it says not supported
[08:48] <drunken-wallaby> join #python-de
[08:48] <ubuntu> but in linux i have to create individually for rpm
[08:48] <bob2> enchanter: some machine have buggy versions in the bios, so it's possible to replace it at boot time
[08:48] <ubuntu> etc.
[08:48] <bob2> ubuntu: no, you don't
[08:48] <enchanter> bob2, does that mean I do not use ACPI well?
[08:48] <thoreauputic> ubuntu: not so
[08:48] <cevizoglu> ubuntu: that's not true.  if you make an application in winxp, there is very little chance it will work right on win98
[08:48] <bob2> ubuntu: you can make shitty generic binaries just like you can on windows
[08:48] <[Wiebel] > bob2: nvm
[08:49] <Cryptid> When is Breezy final version going to be out and can i upgrade my present version of ubuntu to it with out having to format and reinstall my com i mean can i just pop the cd in and just upgrade from the breezy cd
[08:49] <[Wiebel] > bob2: after dist-upgrade it works
[08:49] <bob2> ubuntu: or you can properly integfrate it into the OS with .debs
[08:49] <ubuntu> i tried that with my technie friend
[08:49] <enchanter> bob2, Would you like to let me know who to do it?
[08:49] <[Wiebel] > or at least so it seems
[08:49] <on1009> hi all, has anybody had dhcp problems after std ubuntu install or did it work out of the box?
[08:49] <lastnode> did anyone say anything to me? im using irssi and dunno how to scroll up :)
[08:49] <ubuntu> but there are lots of compatibility problems when working across varied distros
[08:49] <ubuntu> especially with simple users
[08:49] <[Wiebel] > hmm no
[08:49] <bob2> enchanter: what? it's fine, it's just saying that you didn't tell it to load a new dsdt
[08:49] <[Wiebel] > not via esd
[08:49] <ubuntu> who operate linux found it difficult
[08:49] <thoreauputic> ubuntu: look, bob2 actually knows - you are just setting up straw man arguments here
[08:49] <cevizoglu> on1009: it worked right out of the, uh, cd
[08:50] <Cryptid> When is Breezy final version going to be out and can i upgrade my present version of ubuntu to it with out having to format and reinstall my com i mean can i just pop the cd in and just upgrade from the breezy cd
[08:50] <bob2> ubuntu: if your friend wanted to make a binary work on lots of different distributions, they could
[08:50] <on1009> cevizoglu, no box thats true, lol
[08:50] <bob2> Cryptid: no need to repeat
[08:50] <Orunitia> okay...
[08:50] <Orunitia> I'm turning my pc off for a bit
[08:50] <Orunitia> my power just went on and off
[08:50] <ubuntu> ok, i'll tell him to do like that then bob2
[08:50] <bob2> Cryptid: and yes, popping in the cd is enough
[08:50] <bob2> ubuntu: it's not often very useful, tho
[08:50] <Cryptid> bob2, thanx
[08:50] <bob2> windows users have an odd view of software development
[08:50] <ubuntu> why?
[08:50] <bob2> it doesn't matter tha making rpms and debs is more work, since other people do it for you
[08:51] <bob2> you release good free software and dozens of people just package it for their distro immediately
[08:51] <bob2> it doesn't cost you anything
[08:51] <thoreauputic> ubuntu: if the source code is available, anyone can make packages
[08:51] <bob2> it doesn't cost the world any extra effort
[08:51] <ubuntu> it's not free software
[08:51] <bob2> then it's your problem
[08:51] <on1009> cevizoglu, heard so much about dhcp probs that the rumour went its a broken pkg in ubuntu, but my testinstall worked of the plastic as well
[08:51] <ubuntu> its proprietary one, basically with limited budget
[08:51] <ubuntu> and my friend doesn't work entirely free
[08:52] <gerger> i hope it works thanks guiys
[08:52] <ubuntu> we've made a program for windows
[08:52] <bob2> then tell your friend to make annoying static binaries
[08:52] <ompaul> bob2, would this be a good time to mention the  cathedral & the bazaar ?
[08:52] <bob2> ompaul: hah
[08:52] <ubuntu> why annoying?
[08:52] <thoreauputic> ubuntu: then that's not a linux problem, it's a business problem
[08:52] <bob2> ubuntu: because it will require peopel to install other things manually
[08:52] <smott> what's with the little popup informing me that there are updates in 5.10? why does linux look more and more like windows?
[08:52] <bob2> ubuntu: and you have to deal with making it remove itself, etc
[08:52] <[Wiebel] > ALSA lib pcm_dmix.c:802:(snd_pcm_dmix_open) unable to open slave
[08:52] <[Wiebel] > hmzz
[08:52] <bob2> ubuntu: and you have to deal with all bug reports
[08:52] <[Wiebel] > there is my issue
[08:53] <ubuntu> rats
[08:53] <Cryptid> is there a Quick Time player for ubuntu
[08:53] <Cryptid> ?
[08:53] <cevizoglu> smott: that feature came originally from Mac, not windows
[08:53] <on1009> well then thanks
[08:53] <lastnode> Cryptid: mplayer plays everything
[08:53] <bob2> Cryptid: wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[08:53] <Madpilot> Cryptid: w32codecs + player-of-choice - Totem for me
[08:53] <bob2> ubuntu: the same problems you have on windows, in fact
[08:53] <lastnode> where can i get a list of packages i can apt-get
[08:53] <lastnode> ?
[08:53] <bob2> making something Free saves you yourself effort
[08:53] <CaiN_SA> bob2, i wanted to ask how do i get mplayer in ubuntu ?
[08:53] <bob2> lastnode: that's not useful, it would be 16 000 lines long
[08:54] <cevizoglu> lastnode: apt-cache search
[08:54] <ubuntu> windows doesn't have distros
[08:54] <bob2> CaiN_SA: it's in multiverse, /msg ubuntu repositories
[08:54] <Madpilot> lastnode: use Synaptic's Search button...
[08:54] <bob2> ubuntu: what does that have to do with anything at all?
[08:54] <ubuntu> so one setup file works from 95 to XP
[08:54] <cevizoglu> ubuntu: and that's a bad thing
[08:54] <bob2> ubuntu: and the same on linux, if you want to do it poorly like that that
[08:54] <Cryptid> Madpilot do u know how many file formats are supported by w32codecs?or is there a site where it is listed
[08:54] <aftertaf> ubuntu:  are you sure on that?
[08:54] <bob2> anyway, this is stupid and off-topic
[08:54] <Madpilot> Cryptid: can I /msg you?
[08:54] <ubuntu> what i'm saying is it involves a lot of work in linux
[08:54] <bob2> #ubuntu-offtopic or not at all
[08:54] <cevizoglu> ubuntu: can you stop talking about windows please?  I'm about to claw my eyeballs out
[08:54] <bob2> ubuntu: #ubuntu-offtopic
[08:54] <Cryptid> madpilot, yes
[08:54] <lastnode> Madpilot: link to that?
[08:54] <CaiN_SA> bob2, and what is better xine or mplayer ?
[08:55] <lastnode> im looking for a graphical wifi config util
[08:55] <nalioth> Cryptid: www.mplayerhq.hu
[08:55] <lastnode> something that'l tell me wavestrength etc
[08:55] <Madpilot> lastnode: just a moment...
[08:55] <nalioth> Cryptid: for w32codecs (on the download page)
[08:55] <hussam> anybody knows if nvidia 3d acceleration is working in breezy?
[08:55] <lastnode> b/c im having trouble when i move away from the AP
[08:55] <smurf> Hey, just curious, how many of you have gotten Guild Wars to run?  My friend did, but it runs badly right now
[08:55] <bob2> CaiN_SA: I like mplayer because it's easier to control from the terminal
[08:55] <cevizoglu> lastnode: you use apt-cache search the same way you would search with google
[08:55] <bignose> I have a notebook computer with external CD-ROM connected via PCMCIA card.
[08:55] <gt> ok guys
[08:55] <cevizoglu> lastnode: plus or minus a few minor differences
[08:55] <ubuntu> i agree windows is shitty, but there r some business issues with linux
[08:56] <gt> now i dont have any three
[08:56] <gt> three d
[08:56] <bignose> with Debian (sarge) I can boot from a few floppy diskettes, then install from CD.
[08:56] <Madpilot> !tell lastnode about synaptic
[08:56] <cevizoglu> ubuntu: tell that to google
[08:56] <aftertaf> lastnode: type apt-cache search wifi (as an example)
[08:56] <bob2> gt: please use english, on single lines, in coherent sentences
[08:56] <bignose> I can't seem to find such images for Ubuntu.
[08:56] <bob2> ubuntu: #ubuntu-offtopic
[08:56] <ubuntu> what will google do?
[08:56] <bob2> bignose: don't believe they exist
[08:56] <thoreauputic> ubuntu: free software has nothing to do with business models
[08:56] <gt> ...bob 2 i siad i dont have any 3d
[08:56] <bignose> (no, SBM doesn't help; the BIOS can't see the CD-ROM as a boot device)
[08:56] <smurf> google uses unix based systems
[08:56] <bob2> gt: and that is a useless question
[08:56] <cevizoglu> google runs their servers with linux
[08:56] <bignose> bob2: so what are my options?
[08:56] <ippiraman> the default install of ubuntu has mozilla firefox 1.02, how do I update it to 1.06?
[08:57] <bob2> gt: perhaps you mean "I installed the binary nvidia drivers like bob2 suggested, and now I have problem blah"
[08:57] <ubuntu> lol, google has lots of unix guys
[08:57] <bob2> ippiraman: it's in the security repository
[08:57] <gt> yes thats what i ment
[08:57] <CaiN_SA> bob2, i got universe repos but it has no mplayer
[08:57] <ubuntu> in india linux programmers r far lower
[08:57] <bob2> gt: then go back and follow the instructions again
[08:57] <bob2> CaiN_SA: multiverse, not universe
[08:57] <lastnode> is libiw27 a gui tool?
[08:57] <lastnode> it doesnt say
[08:57] <CaiN_SA> hmmmk
[08:57] <lastnode> i did apt-cache search wireless
[08:57] <bob2> lastnode: it's a library
[08:57] <CaiN_SA> !repos
[08:57] <ubotu> methinks repos is at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto A list of official repositories can be found at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969
[08:57] <bob2> lastnode: that's not useful
[08:57] <lastnode> mmm
[08:57] <lastnode> yeah i figured
[08:57] <dell500> is it possible to have Evolution seperate your mail from mailbox to mailbox?  like assign different folders for different addresses to keep it sorted
[08:57] <lastnode> anybody reccommend a wireless gui tool?
[08:58] <gt> you know bob2, you know alot about this stuff, but your a consistant jerk, and im not getting banned again, so thank you but please dot respond to me anymore
[08:58] <smurf> A LOT of companies use linux, actually
[08:58] <gt> all the non student pcs at my school back in the day were linux
[08:58] <bob2> gt: follow the instructions again
[08:58] <bob2> gt: if it continues to not work, come back
[08:58] <ubuntu> well some companies use linux, not a lot...
[08:58] <gt> i had to log out so i dont have them perhaps this time i will book mark them
[08:58] <CaiN_SA> bob2, i know xine doesnt play all broken vids, but mplayer does
[08:58] <bob2> and stop being obnoxious
[08:58] <cevizoglu> lastnode: does wireless work for you?
[08:58] <smurf> I work on laser printers, and my company uses sparc (sun) systems to program the laser printers
[08:59] <bob2> gt: wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[08:59] <bob2> gt: it is linekd from the FAQ
[08:59] <lastnode> cevizoglu: yeah im on wifi right now
[08:59] <lastnode> i just want a tool that'l give me info
[08:59] <lastnode> like signal range etc
[08:59] <lastnode> sorta like netstumbler for windows?
[08:59] <bob2> and I'm not being a jerk, I'm annoyed at stupid questions and people who are too lazy to even ask for help using complete words
[08:59] <Cryptid> Does ne body know what codecs i need to play .m4a files
[08:59] <CaiN_SA> wtf is mutliverse ? like super unsupported software ?
[08:59] <smurf> bob2: yes
[09:00] <bob2> CaiN_SA: non-free unsupported software
[09:00] <CaiN_SA> ah
[09:00] <cevizoglu> lastnode: did you try kwavecontrol?
[09:00] <bob2> Cryptid: wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[09:00] <CaiN_SA> ok so i cant put it in my live cd
[09:00] <CaiN_SA> :P
[09:00] <lastnode> cevizoglu: nope
[09:00] <lastnode> can i apt-get that?
[09:00] <lastnode> also im running gnome, not kde
[09:00] <lastnode> :S
[09:00] <cevizoglu> lastnode: wavemon?  yes, you can apt-get both of them
[09:00] <cevizoglu> lastnode: gnome runs kde apps ok
[09:00] <ubuntu> ok tx 4 the info guys
[09:00] <lastnode> apt-get wavemon
[09:00] <cevizoglu> lastnode: and vice-versa
[09:01] <lastnode> oh hehe
[09:01] <lastnode> :S
[09:01] <ubuntu> got 2 go, bye
[09:01] <lastnode> is that correct syntax?
[09:02] <cevizoglu> lastnode: sudo apt-get install wavemon
[09:03] <lastnode> couldnt find package
[09:03] <cevizoglu> lastnode: do you have universe and multiverse in your package list?
[09:03] <lastnode> mm
[09:03] <Log-OS> hi all! i can't back to X after ctr-alt-F2
[09:03] <lastnode> thats greek to me man :(
[09:04] <gt> was i suposed to uninstal something before i installed the enw drivers? anyone?
[09:04] <thoreauputic> Log-OS: alt-F7 ?
[09:04] <bob2> gt: define "new"?  did you install drivers from nvidia.com?
[09:04] <cevizoglu> lastnode: your package list is at /etc/apt/sources.list, take a look at it and see if it includes universe and multiverse
[09:04] <hussam> Is nvidia 3d acceleration working in breezy?
[09:04] <gt> no from the synaptic thing
[09:04] <Cryptid> which is better Beep-Media-player or XMMS?
[09:04] <dducko> Im looking for an FTP server, preferably with a gui... any suggestions?
[09:04] <cevizoglu> lastnode: wavemon is in universe
[09:05] <Seveas> Cryptid, beep :)
[09:05] <gt> also, i would like to know....what are the shortcut commanss for leaving x, and then for returning? anyone?
[09:05] <thoreauputic> Cryptid: beep is prettier, xmms has more plugins
[09:05] <Seveas> dducko, there's a gui available for proftpd and webmin modules for others...
[09:05] <thoreauputic> Cryptid: they sound the same ;)
[09:05] <Log-OS> thoreauputic: thanks, i try that
[09:05] <dducko> thank you Seveas
[09:06] <lastnode> # deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-security universe
[09:06] <chavo> hussam, works for me, but I haven't updated since the preview
[09:06] <lastnode> # deb-src http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-security universe
[09:06] <bob2> gt: you don't need to leave X to install nvidia drivers
[09:06] <henk> can ubuntu play realmedia files ?
[09:06] <bob2> gt: you do not need to remove them to upgarde to a new version
[09:06] <cevizoglu> lastnode: remove the #
[09:06] <gt> the official ones told me i did
[09:06] <bob2> henk: wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[09:06] <cevizoglu> lastnode: and then you need to sudo apt-get update
[09:06] <cevizoglu> lastnode:  then try the install command again
[09:06] <bob2> gt: they are wrong, you do not need to leave X to install the ubuntu nvidia drivers
[09:06] <gt> first i couldnt use them ebcause it siad i didnt have root.. then i learned about sudo... then it said i couldnt run the installer inside x  windows
[09:06] <hussam> chavo: so you have no idea if they are still working?
[09:07] <gt> ok im just saying the ones from nvidia .com did
[09:07] <deFrysk> Dapper Drake wtf ?
[09:07] <bob2> gt: yes, don't use them
[09:07] <gt> im not now that you told em another way
[09:07] <bob2> deFrysk: ask mark
[09:07] <chavo> hussam, well from what I've heard breezy is broken lately, so I haven't upgraded
[09:07] <gt> i also heard they break things
[09:08] <lastnode> it asked me to to do apt get update
[09:08] <lastnode> oh sorry, didnt see that
[09:08] <nalioth> gt: the best way is the ubuntu way. other methods can break your ubuntu box
[09:08] <ompaul> deFrysk, better that than some others
[09:09] <deFrysk> ompaul, for me +1 wil be 06.04 , no name
[09:09] <lastnode> cevizoglu: same problem
[09:09] <lastnode> couldnt find package
[09:09] <cevizoglu> lastnode: comment out the lines which contain "cdrom".  you do that by placing # at the start of the line
[09:09] <deFrysk> mark has been in space too long.. :D
[09:10] <lastnode> cevizoglu: there is no cd rom line
[09:11] <cevizoglu> so, apt-get update didn't report any errors?
[09:11] <thoreauputic> keikoz: /join #ubuntu-fr  :)
[09:11] <keikoz> grrrrrrrrrr
[09:12] <lastnode> cevizoglu: doing it again
[09:12] <keikoz> i'm just telling hi ...
[09:12] <lastnode> reading package lists.. done
[09:12] <thoreauputic> keikoz: I was kidding :)
[09:12] <[Wiebel] > hmmz
[09:12] <[Wiebel] > firefox seems to ignore .asoundrc
[09:12] <lastnode> restricted is commented though
[09:13] <cevizoglu> lastnode: you need to add another line like this:  deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary universe multiverse
[09:14] <DanielHolth> hello
[09:14] <cevizoglu> lastnode: whether you use multiverse is up to you, though
[09:14] <No1Viking> !tell lastnode about repos
[09:14] <DanielHolth> anyone know anything about limiting bandwidth to certain users on a network?
[09:14] <DanielHolth> as in I want my desktop to get higer priority than wireless
[09:15] <lastnode> ok i messed around
[09:15] <lastnode> uncommented a few more lines
[09:15] <lastnode> lets hope this works
[09:15] <lastnode> its 14%, and download a lotta packages :S
[09:17] <Ashen> yo... anyone know what repos have eclipse on them?
[09:17] <smott> what's the "This version is for your own machine :-)" at the end of the mplayer-custom description supposed to mean?
[09:17] <bimberi> !eclipse
[09:17] <ubotu> to install eclipse please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EclipseIDE
[09:17] <_ian> can anyone tell me how to get the temperature readings from my ibook g4?
[09:18] <cafuego> _ian: Anything in /proc/cpuinfo ?
[09:18] <Ashen> cheers ubotu
[09:18] <_ian> yeah
[09:18] <bimberi> Ashen: ubotu would say "you're welcome" but it's a bot :)
[09:18] <_ian> cafuego: lots of good stuff, but no temp stuff
[09:19] <Ashen> or bimberi if you activated the bot
[09:19] <Ashen> :p
[09:19] <Ashen> haha
[09:19] <Ashen> yeh
[09:19] <Ashen> I didn't see you activate it :p
[09:19] <_ian> the fan is running like crazy, but I'm not doing much
[09:19] <lastnode> bimberi: someone should write that in ;-)
[09:19] <bimberi> !thanks
[09:19] <ubotu> bimberi: graag gedaan
[09:19] <cafuego> _ian: You can _try_ the sensors modules, but I expect they won't support the chip in the iBook.
[09:19] <lastnode> _ian: check for system procesess
[09:19] <lastnode> _ian: probably running something in the bg
[09:19] <Ashen> is breezy stable enough to run?
[09:20] <_ian> nope, top is using 75% when I run it
[09:20] <cafuego> Ashen: Seems to be at the moment, but may change in between now and next month.
[09:20] <_ian> is it scaling the cpu or something that makes it look like its using all the power?
[09:20] <Ashen> hrmmm... thinking of trying it out...
[09:20] <_ian> does the ibook even support cpu scaling?
[09:20] <thoreauputic> _ian: yes it does
[09:20] <cafuego> thoreauputic: via powernowd?
[09:20] <tombalablomba> Good morning all
[09:21] <thoreauputic> _ian: mine seems to use 2 levels afaics
[09:21] <thoreauputic> cafuego: dunno :)
[09:21] <cafuego> _ian: Install 'sensord' and run 'sudo sensors-detect' (provided you're running an Ubuntu kernel)
[09:21] <_ian> thoreauputic: so, if its scaled down, could that make top look like its using 75% or the cpu, and because it thinks cpu is at 82% its running the fan like crazy?
[09:21] <thoreauputic> _ian: interesting question - I don't know
[09:21] <cafuego> _ian: The fan shouldn't run like crazy... unless something else is maybe generating heat.
[09:21] <Ashen> is the new/latest gnome in breezy? and if so, are the new features and things noticable??/
[09:22] <cafuego> Ashen: yes
[09:22] <Ashen> kewls :)
[09:22] <cafuego> Ashen: I particularly like 'beagle'.
[09:22] <tombalablomba> small question, does anybody have running openldap?
[09:22] <_ian> the fan is running like mad, feels hot, but I'm just running amarok and irc
[09:22] <Ashen> guess its upgrade time then :p
[09:23] <_ian> I installed sensord
[09:23] <_ian> but sensor-detect : command not found
[09:23] <ippiraman> any success on running a webcam on gaim or other im clients?
[09:23] <thoreauputic> _ian: what does "top" say is using your cpu up?
[09:23] <cafuego> _ian: Note I had an extra 's' in my command.
[09:23] <_ian> top: 67%
[09:24] <_ian> xorg:8%
[09:24] <_ian> and then smaller stuff
[09:24] <_ian> why is top using 67% of my cpu?????!?
[09:24] <tombalablomba> can u use a webcam with gaim?
[09:24] <thoreauputic> _ian: weird for top to use 67% :/
[09:24] <_ian> go it
[09:24] <cevizoglu> _ian: try without amarok for a while  :)
[09:25] <fredforfaen> amarok can use a lot of cpu sometimes
[09:25] <pvt19> hi\
[09:25] <_ian> w/o amarok, same thing
[09:25] <thoreauputic> _ian: sounds like top is on crack for some reason
[09:25] <_ian> yeah, but how?
[09:26] <_ian> the fan runs like crazy when top isn't running too
[09:26] <_ian> and kde task manager shows top using 35% right now
[09:26] <nalioth> _ian: does it do so with OSX?
[09:26] <nalioth> _ian: what generation ibook is it?
[09:26] <cevizoglu> _ian: what speed is your ibook?
[09:26] <_ian> ibook g4
[09:27] <_ian> bought it new in june
[09:27] <cevizoglu> ian: what is your ibook sitting on?
[09:27] <nalioth> _ian: you have a relatively new hardware type for a mac
[09:27] <kasz> Hi guys, i just installed a IDE extension PCI card, and lspci detects it as: 0000:00:09.0 Unknown mass storage controller: Integrated Technology Express, Inc. IT/ITE8212 Dual channel ATA RAID controller (PCI version seems to be IT8212, embedded seems (rev 13)
[09:27] <resty> 555
[09:27] <kasz> where do i need to install the drivers to for it?
[09:27] <cevizoglu> ian: what's the temp of the room you're in?  is the laptop charging?
[09:27] <_ian> my lap, nothing really blocking vents
[09:27] <resty> yup
[09:27] <lastnode> cevizoglu: got it
[09:27] <cevizoglu> ian: try sitting it on a wood board
[09:27] <lastnode> how do i use it?
[09:28] <Ashen> ooh... are the nvidia drivers working well in breezy?
[09:28] <_ian> its pluged in, not chargin, the room is prolly about 60 F
[09:28] <resty> [09:28] <tombalablomba> anybody got openldap working on ubuntu?
[09:28] <selinium> hi all, i am just installing wine to run IE for testing Websites. Am I setting myself up for viruses? Should I install it as a user not root?
[09:28] <cevizoglu> lastnode: I've never used it, I only saw 3-4 possible tools which would do what you were asking for
[09:28] <nalioth> cevizoglu: the ibook has no bottom vents
[09:28] <keikoz> you should use it as not root
[09:28] <bob2> selinium: you should certainly not be running wine as root
[09:29] <lastnode> cevizoglu: great, thanks
[09:29] <lastnode> what are the other two?
[09:29] <keikoz> but install it as root
[09:29] <_ian> ok, sensors_probe ran
[09:29] <Ashen> wine isn't always running, if you're just installing it for ie, then you can prevent anything from accessing any system files by removing wines emulation of your root... methinks
[09:29] <cevizoglu> nalioth: if the ibook is sitting on something with on air inbetween, it gets much hotter
[09:29] <_ian> the only thing it wants to add to /etc/modules is eeprom
[09:29] <bob2> kasz: lspci has nothing to do with whether the kernel supports it or not
[09:29] <cevizoglu> nalioth: er, with no air inbetween
[09:29] <_ian> does it do anything besides prob and output to /etc/modules?
[09:29] <cevizoglu> nalioth, especially when it sits on people  :)
[09:30] <selinium> keikoz bob2: So install as root, but never run it from inside root, yes?
[09:30] <keikoz> yes
[09:30] <bob2> selinium: you install IE as a normal user, too
[09:30] <selinium> keikoz bob2: Cheers guys
[09:31] <_ian> so, I ran the sensors_probe thing, where would I read the values if it worked?
[09:33] <selinium> bob2: Is it possible/worth creating a new group wine, and run things through that?
[09:33] <selinium> bob2: not that i'm paranoid or anything!
[09:33] <bob2> selinium: sure, you could create a whole new user if you like
[09:33] <Ashen> Ubuntu got support in the installer for reiser4 yet?
[09:34] <_ian> ok, wtf??
[09:34] <bob2> Ashen: reiser4 is not even in the upstream kernel yet
[09:34] <[Wiebel] > hmmz ok
[09:34] <Ashen> bob2: oh... *Cries* I wanna play with it ^_^
[09:34] <_ian> I've been holding the ibook up at an angle so its totaly off my lap for several mins, and the fan is still blasting
[09:35] <[Wiebel] > firefox + esddsp won't work, firefox + alsa ignores .asoundrc
[09:35] <resty> sfd
[09:35] <[Wiebel] > anoying ;)
[09:35] <bob2> Ashen: then build a new kernel, patch it, and use the reiser4 tools which are in ubuntu to make a scratch partition
[09:35] <cevizoglu> ian: are you still running amarok?
[09:36] <_ian> nope, amarock is closed
[09:36] <selinium> bob2: You make it sound soooo easy :0
[09:36] <_ian> top still uses 80
[09:36] <_ian> actually, I'm gonna reboot
[09:36] <_ian> I did a dist-upgrade
[09:37] <_ian> could that mess stuff up?
[09:37] <cevizoglu> ian: yes, it will make your laptop hot
[09:37] <_ian> no, the dist-upgrade is over, like 30 mins ago
[09:37] <cevizoglu> ian: I've seen it take a good 20 mins for a laptop to cool down
[09:37] <_ian> but having packages changed while they're running, could that mess something up?
[09:37] <_ian> well, thanks guys, I'll see what happens
[09:37] <cevizoglu> ian: how much memory / swap space?
[09:38] <Ashen> bob2: Maybe one day ^_^, despite it being tempting I really dont have the time *shrug*
[09:38] <_ian> 700 something ram, whatever ubuntu does default for swap
[09:38] <_ian> 733 mb used ram, 0 used swap
[09:38] <_ian> not sure about totals
[09:38] <cevizoglu> ian: seems ok for ram, not sure what you mean about swap
[09:39] <_ian> it says 0mb swap used, I'm not sure how big the partition is, ubuntu auto partitioned it
[09:39] <ippiraman> when i install new programs, will it be automatically included on the applications menu
[09:39] <aftertaf> for info, seems to be the fr. breezy repos that is suffering
[09:39] <bob2> ippiraman: depends on what it is
[09:39] <cevizoglu> ian: I'm running 10 different apps right now, including bittorrent which usually makes my laptop overheat, and I can barely hear the fan
[09:40] <_ian> mine isn't super loud, but running constantly and full blast
[09:40] <cevizoglu> ian: but then again, with the laptop sitting on my lap it overheats in a second.  right now it's on a thick board
[09:40] <cevizoglu> ian: sitting on my lap
[09:40] <cevizoglu> ian s/second/five minutes  :P
[09:42] <cevizoglu> ian: top should use less than 1% of your cpu, unless you've upscaled it
[09:42] <_ian> upscaled it?
[09:42] <selinium> any ideas why soundjuicer is ripping at 1.8x when my drive is 8x4x32? Can i speed it up?
[09:43] <cevizoglu> ian: not sure how to do it on linux.  on mac you would hit the up arrow key
[09:43] <_ian> what does it do?
[09:43] <cevizoglu> ian: it polls the cpu usage much more frequently
[09:44] <_ian> ah, its going about ever second
[09:44] <cevizoglu> ian: top could use 99% cpu that way
[09:44] <ColonelKernel> selinium, what kind of CPU?
[09:44] <_ian> thanks for the help, I'm going to sleep
[09:45] <cevizoglu> ian: ah, top -d 0.01 will make top use 99% of the cpu on linux
[09:45] <_ian> I'll keep that in mind next time I have too much cpu time
[09:46] <jblack> Does anybody know of a magic trick to get suspend to memory to work well?
[09:48] <FruityLoop> help
[09:48] <FruityLoop> upsi
[09:49] <FruityLoop> hallo da bin ich wieder
[09:49] <nalioth> !de
[09:49] <ubotu> I guess de is #ubuntu-de bitte.
[09:50] <tombalablomba> small question, anybody running openldap on ubuntu?
[09:51] <FruityLoop> <--- not me
[09:51] <FruityLoop> i like windows =D
[09:51] <tombalablomba> I also like windows, because else it gets to cold in my home
[09:51] <punkrockmcduck> good morning
[09:51] <toonX> can i use a command like , ls -R than pipe the output to something like cat (to search the content's of all the files ls -R finds , than pipe the output some a command like grep "word" to list on the standart output just my query ?
[09:53] <toonX> my problem is that i don't know how to make cat work just for files, because it tries to work on dirs too for wich i get an error
[09:53] <punkrockmcduck> just wanted to put in my two cents. Breezy kicks ass.
[09:53] <cevizoglu> toonX: are you using bash, zsh, ?
[09:53] <toonX> cevizoglu, bash
[09:53] <cevizoglu> toonX: you could get a faster, on-topic response at #bash (hint hint)
[09:53] <toonX> cevizoglu, yes thanks
[09:54] <gt> bob2 you there?
[09:54] <bob2> ?
[09:54] <gt> anyone?
[09:54] <gt> ok heres the thing
[09:55] <gt> can you link em to the site you gave earlier?
[09:55] <gt> i must be doing soemthing wtrong
[09:55] <gt> i installed them again....
[09:55] <bob2> it's linked from the FAQ
[09:55] <gt> and got it working i think
[09:55] <bob2> wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[09:55] <gt> well i dont know where thats at
[09:55] <gt> thanks
[09:55] <gt> except that isnt a link
[09:55] <gt> look im pathtic
[09:55] <gt> i know it
[09:55] <gt> you know it
[09:55] <gt> i suck
[09:55] <cevizoglu> gt: add http:// to it
[09:56] <cevizoglu> gt: and stop flooding
[09:56] <pipoun> lol
[09:56] <toonX> cevizoglu, did get an answer or two on bash , thanks
[09:56] <gt> ....
[09:56] <pipoun> where can I find help on xorg?
[09:56] <bob2> that is the link
[09:56] <bob2> pipoun: here
[09:56] <pipoun> Tu modify the xorg.conf file
[09:56] <pipoun> To*
[09:56] <bob2> why would you modify it?
[09:57] <Kezza> i am running an NFS share between two ubuntu machines and it seems to take aaaages (like 2-3 minutes) for the NFS share to be mounted, any suggestions?
[09:57] <pipoun> because when I use the fglrxconfig scrit, it doesn't modify xorg.conf
[09:57] <bob2> so
[09:57] <bob2> don't use that script
[09:57] <gt> i did everythign it said to
[09:57] <bob2> instead, read wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[09:57] <pipoun> but it creates X86smthing-4 instead
[09:57] <gt> but i see no nvidia splash screen
[09:58] <bob2> pipoun: ignore that, undo whatever yo udid, then read the above link
[09:58] <bob2> gt: rerun the nvidia-glx-enable ocmmand
[09:58] <kasz> I have a binary driver as a .o file, where do i need to copy it to?
[09:58] <gt> and i get like 6 frames per second with the stupid ant screen saver
[09:58] <gt> ok
[09:58] <bob2> kasz: what is it?
[09:58] <gt> just from the terminal?
[09:58] <Kezza> anyone?
[09:58] <gt> or what
[09:59] <bob2> gt: read the page again
[09:59] <kasz> bob2, a driver for a IDE extension pci card
[09:59] <bob2> kasz: and the card is?
[10:00] <pipoun> bob2, it's what I did
[10:00] <kasz> lspci says: 0000:00:09.0 Unknown mass storage controller: Integrated Technology Express, Inc. IT/ITE8212 Dual channel ATA RAID controller (PCI version seems to be IT8212, embedded seems (rev 13)
[10:00] <bob2> pipoun: no, it's not
[10:01] <pipoun> but when U use dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg I don't have all the options that I want
[10:01] <bob2> indeed
[10:01] <bob2> so
[10:01] <bob2> undo whatever yo udid
[10:01] <bob2> then follow the page I poitned you at
[10:01] <pipoun> because I also installed fglrx-control
[10:01] <bob2> yes
[10:01] <pipoun> after that
[10:01] <bob2> ignore that
[10:01] <bob2> if it odified your X config, undo whatever it did
[10:02] <pipoun> why I would undo something which is working, I jt want to add some more options
[10:03] <brownie17> can somebody please explain the linux sound sitiatuoin to me?
[10:03] <kasz> bob2, so what do i need to do?
[10:03] <bob2> it works fine if your apps are Free and modern
[10:03] <bob2> kasz: find out what driver it needs
[10:03] <pipoun> I want a dual head, so I installed fglrx-control which doesn't work, so I've decided to modify handly the file
[10:03] <bob2> kasz: if it needs a binary-only driver, you're probably boned
[10:03] <kasz> bob2, i have the driver on the cd
[10:04] <bob2> kasz: and the name of the driver is?
[10:04] <bob2> kasz: randdom binary only drivers are unlikely to work
[10:04] <aftertaf> is there a better way of upping to breezy than apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade ?
[10:04] <aftertaf> it doent seem to install all needed packages in one go that way.
[10:04] <bob2> aftertaf: wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyUpgradeNotes
[10:04] <cyphase> is there an open source package that offers you a customizable home page, kind of like www.google.com/ig ?
[10:04] <bob2> aftertaf: if things don't upgrade cleanly, first time, pleae file bugs
[10:05] <cyphase> hmm, that wasn't worded right
[10:05] <aftertaf> ok bob2 :)
[10:05] <kasz> bob2, its not exactly random, its the debian3 driver from the cd that came with the card
[10:05] <bob2> kasz: 3.0?
[10:06] <kasz> bob2, presumably
[10:06] <bob2> then it's unlikely to work
[10:06] <bob2> 3.0's default kernel was 2.0
[10:06] <bob2> er, 2.2
[10:07] <kasz> bob2, there are mandrake 9.2 and redhat 9.0 drivers here as well, but i thought it would be better to use the debian one?
[10:07] <bob2> those are both old, too
[10:07] <bob2> and predate 2.6, iirc
[10:08] <kasz> im going to check their website, see if they have updated drivers available
[10:08] <bob2> what is the name of the driver?
[10:08] <Toolah> how do I load a dpt_i2o mod with a livecd so that I can access my hard drives please?
[10:09] <clem_yeats> The Drapper Drake ?
[10:09] <bob2> your harddrive needs an i2o module?
[10:09] <bob2> are you sure?
[10:09] <clem_yeats> lol
[10:09] <kasz> bob2, the filename is iteraid.o
[10:11] <Toolah> no ideas?
[10:11] <Toolah> apt-get update returns Get:1 http://archive.ubuntu.com warty/main Packages [483kB] 
[10:12] <Toolah> E: Method http has died unexpectedly!
[10:12] <bob2> sounds like bad ram or something
[10:12] <Toolah> apt-get update apt
[10:12] <bob2> that's not how the update command works
[10:12] <bob2> kasz: is it too late to return it?
[10:12] <gt> ok
[10:13] <gt> still arent working
[10:13] <gt> but ive got bigger fish to fry... if youll help that is
[10:13] <gt> the biggest issue now is... grubb
[10:13] <Toolah> googled error msg and a page said it was a bug in apt
[10:13] <kasz> bob2, probably not, but iv found the source code for the driver on their website
[10:13] <gt> when i updated ubuntu... again i know nothing, it now has a list of ubuntus, and my windows xp is not there any more
[10:14] <gt> any way of getting it back there?
[10:14] <gt> any ideas bob?
[10:15] <bob2> kasz: that's still going to be a pain in the arse
[10:15] <bob2> gt: add it in /boot/grub/menu.lst
[10:15] <nalioth> gt: open a terminal and type "man grub"
[10:15] <poyie> ei
[10:15] <gt> thanks man you really area  ilife saver, though sometimes not the nicest, but definetly know your stuff
[10:15] <cevizoglu> gt: make a backup of menu.lst too
[10:15] <aftertaf> lol gt :D
[10:15] <poyie> how to see ubunto in winxp?
[10:15] <bob2> you can pay me to be nice
[10:16] <gt> wait sorry
[10:16] <bob2> for free, all you get is "right"
[10:16] <bob2> ;p
[10:16] <gt> naolith... that wasnt to you lol
[10:16] <aftertaf> poyie:  access the partitions?
[10:16] <poyie> ok
[10:16] <cevizoglu> poyie: yeah, from winxp, vnc to an ubuntu box
[10:16] <cevizoglu> poyie: oh, is that not what you meant by "seeing"?  :P
[10:16] <poyie> i allready shared my ubunto but  my windows is always asking for user and psswd
[10:17] <aftertaf> poyie:  you can get an ext2fs file viewer... but can't (iirc) write to it
[10:17] <aftertaf> poyie:  ok. i'm off track...
[10:18] <kasz> bob2, what directory is the kernel source in?
[10:18] <tga> kasz, /usr/src/
[10:18] <bob2> kasz: nowhere
[10:19] <bob2> kasz: please tell me it does't actually require the source to build
[10:19] <gt> how do i find out what to place in the list? the windows part is gone
[10:20] <gt> so i dont have anything to look at /cut and paste
[10:20] <Toolah> if I wanted to search my HD for a dpt_i2o module, what would the syntax be?
[10:20] <bob2> Toolah: sudo modprobe dpt_i20
[10:20] <bob2> or whatever
[10:20] <Toolah> FATAL: Module dpt_i2o not found.
[10:20] <Kytten> hey bob2
[10:20] <cevizoglu> gt: fdisk will show you the layout, but don't modify anything
[10:21] <tga> gt, http://www.google.ca/search?q=menu.lst
[10:21] <Kytten> still not working like u told me earlier
[10:21] <nalioth> gt: google for "menu.lst  windows  linux"  perhaps ubuntu
[10:21] <bob2> it's there in the install cd
[10:21] <bob2> perhaps the live cd doesn't include it
[10:21] <Toolah> bob2 how would I be able to get the module for the livecd?
[10:21] <bob2> Toolah: file a bug
[10:21] <kasz> bob2, it would atleast need the headers wouldnt it?
[10:21] <Kytten> when i do query modem it can't detect my modem
[10:22] <mdke> hi all, how does fglrx work in Breezy? indypende has upgraded and his 3d 9600 radeon doesn't work any more
[10:22] <mdke> any ideas?
[10:22] <bob2> kasz: sudo aptitude install linux-headers-$(uname -r), yeah
[10:22] <bob2> Kytten: so just tell it where it is
[10:22] <DaOne> is there someone here who can help me?  im trying to install ubuntu on another computer & everything went fine until i restarted & got an error saying that the CD i put in isnt a ubuntu CD.
[10:22] <bob2> mdke: if it doesn't work, file a bug if no one else has
[10:22] <mdke> bob2, i was wondering if the drivers were maybe included in x.org already, and fglrx was blocking em?
[10:23] <jo_e> I just got a geforce 4 mx.  After putting it in, my X didn't work, so I ran xorgconfig, and chose "NVIDIA Geforce" as my graphics card.  X starts with good resolution, but anything involving glx crashes.  after downloading nvidia drivers and tools, I ran "nvidia-glx-config enable" which told me "Error: your X configuration has been altered." I ran the command it recommended to update an md5 sum, which I did.  it seemed to complete success
[10:23] <jo_e> fully, but when I restarted X, it threw out error messages about not being able to open the display.
[10:23] <bob2> there's no package called "fglrx" in ubuntu
[10:23] <bob2> and never has been
[10:23] <bob2> only people who used alien without thinking have it
[10:23] <Kytten> bob2 if u please i need to talk to for 2 mins
[10:23] <bob2> Kytten: ...
[10:23] <Kytten> still not working and i did like u told me earlier
[10:23] <mdke> bob2, you know the one I mean though
[10:23] <bob2> Kytten: I told you what to do
[10:23] <Kytten> when i do query modem it can't detect my modem
[10:23] <mdke> bob2, xorg-driver-fglrx
[10:24] <Kytten> yup it can't detect it , it's installed and everything that chipset
[10:24] <lastnode> cant i get ubuntu to mount my hdds on bootup?
[10:24] <Determinist> my X seems to not work anymore :/
[10:24] <tga> lastnode, yes, you have to edit /etc/fstab
[10:24] <Kytten> but i can't detect it , i tried all those modems non of those works
[10:24] <bob2> Kytten: so, stop doing that
[10:24] <indypende> mdke, xorg...fglrx...quello li!
[10:24] <bob2> Kytten: I told you to just tell it to use the device directly
[10:25] <benplaut> what's the fastest mirror for breezy preview install & live? need the ISO to spread ubuntu goodness around my LUG :P
[10:25] <lastnode> tga, add sudo mount /dev/hda1 /mnt/hda1
[10:25] <lastnode> ?
[10:25] <bob2> lastnode: of course you can, edit /etc/fstab
[10:25] <Determinist> loads up till it displays the nvidia logo, then goes back to text mode, then back to the nvidia logo about 3 times till it announces it cant load X and freezes the system :/
[10:25] <Determinist> anything i could do to fix this problem?
[10:25] <bob2> lastnode: no, actually look at the file and see what the format is
[10:25] <Kytten> yes i did
[10:25] <Kytten> i didn't fix it my self
[10:25] <DaOne> can someone help me with installing ubuntu?
[10:25] <tga> lastnode, man fstab for information on the fields
[10:25] <aftertaf> Determinist:  try using the nv driver, or vesa driver
[10:25] <Kytten> but i think that detecting thing didn't find it
[10:25] <Gavrila> hi people, is it normal by now that I can't shutdown X from gnome?
[10:25] <Gavrila> in breezy I mean
[10:25] <Determinist> aftertaf, how, pray tell?
[10:26] <mdke> Gavrila, explain further
[10:26] <bob2> Kytten: stop it
[10:26] <bob2> Kytten: and read what I'm saying
[10:26] <Kytten> do i need to buy new modem and what u suggest
[10:26] <bob2> Kytten: just tell pppconfig where the modem is, don't let it guess at all
[10:26] <Kytten> com3
[10:26] <bob2> DaOne: get cd. burn cd. boot cd. if you have specific issues, ask.
[10:26] <bob2> Kytten: no, not com3
[10:26] <Kytten> id id
[10:27] <Kytten> what do u think
[10:27] <Gavrila> mdke, I'm with current breezy upgraded form hoary and I deleteled all my .gnome files... when I click oon log out or shut down it seems like the gnome-panel get stuck and I can't select anything on it... while I can still click on the desktop...
[10:27] <tga> methinks there should be two support channels for ubuntu stable and unstable.. there seems to be a world of problems with breezy
[10:27] <Kytten> it's works for my xp on com 3
[10:27] <Gavrila> then I have to kill mnanually X to let the shutdown (or the log out9 complete
[10:27] <mdke> Gavrila, no that is not normal
[10:27] <Kezza> it is unstable, it isn't supposed to work perfectly.
[10:27] <bob2> Kytten: stop it
[10:27] <bob2> Kytten: be quiet and read again what I said
[10:27] <Kezza> Kytten, , you need to start paying attention
[10:28] <Gavrila> Kezza, there are bugs which are "normal" in unstable things and other which are not
[10:28] <[Wiebel] > hmm
[10:28] <[Wiebel] > what happend to xorgcfg in breezy? :)
[10:28] <DaOne> bob2: iv got a specific issue.  iv managed 2 install it everything fine until i have 2 restart.  then when i do it askes for the ubuntu CD.  then when i put it in it says its not a ubuntu CD.
[10:28] <bob2> DaOne: perhaps the cd is damaged or it can't read it
[10:28] <bob2> DaOne: did you validate the CD?
[10:28] <Gavrila> BTW upgrading to breezy broke my snaptics touchpad... I can't drag icons anymore.. :(
[10:29] <mdke> Gavrila, check bugzilla and file a bug if there isn't one already
[10:29] <mdke> but it is likely to be there
[10:29] <Gavrila> ok
[10:29] <tga> that's what you get for using the unstable version.. file a bug or something
[10:29] <mdke> and fixed too iirc
[10:29] <Gavrila> mdke, thenit's "normal" :D
[10:29] <Determinist> bob2, any idea how to solve my problem mate?
[10:29] <mdke> Gavrila, there have been lots of problems with touchpads, if you upgrade I think they have been fixed by now
[10:30] <DaOne> bob2: no i didnt validate the CD...  but its the 1 i ordered of shipit.  what could be wrong?
[10:30] <aftertaf> Determinist:  what nvidia driver are you using?
[10:30] <bob2> DaOne: the cd could be broken; try validating it (boot into expert mode and select "validate cd" or whatever from the menu)
[10:31] <bob2> Determinist: sounds like X is misconfigured
[10:31] <tga> Determinist, take a look at /var/log/Xorg.0.log and check for errors
[10:31] <Determinist> aftertaf, erm, 7676 if i'm not mistaken
[10:31] <awormus> how is ubuntu with dual booting?
[10:31] <bob2> awormus: fine
[10:31] <awormus> I want to test it on my laptop
[10:31] <nalioth> awormus: just fine
[10:31] <mdke> awormus, it is not bad
[10:31] <awormus> is it pretty easy to install?
[10:31] <Determinist> tga, will do, thanks
[10:31] <nalioth> awormus: have at it
[10:31] <aftertaf> ok. NVidia binary...   have you removed the nvidia ubuntu packages?
[10:31] <mdke> awormus, choose the stable version
[10:31] <nalioth> awormus: like fallin off a log
[10:31] <aftertaf> Determinist:  both together causes a mess on my system
[10:31] <mdke> i lost my windows partition with the unstable version recently
[10:31] <awormus> nalioth: lol :)
[10:32] <nalioth> awormus: if you wait til oct 13, you can have the freshest ubuntu around
[10:32] <awormus> so it will resize my NTFS partition
[10:32] <mdke> awormus, yes it should
[10:32] <mdke> 8 times out of 10
[10:32] <nalioth> mdke: so ubuntu did you a favor?
[10:32] <mdke> nalioth, nope
[10:32] <aftertaf> lol nalioth
[10:32] <tga> awormus, be warned though that resizing partitions might break everything and eat your data
[10:32] <Determinist> aftertaf, by no means no. nothing has changed, just came back home at night from work after i left the machine on and unlogged as any user, it was frozen, after a reboot this problem appeared
[10:32] <awormus> nalioth: I'll wait, been playing with Linux for the last 5 years, can wait another mnoth
[10:32] <mdke> awormus, backup everything before you install
[10:32] <awormus> tga: new laptop, will backup everything
[10:32] <awormus> thanks
[10:32] <gt> how do i open menu.lst in readable writable? it says read only
[10:33] <tga> gt, use sudo
[10:33] <gt> ok
[10:33] <mdke> gt, with sudo gedit /boot/grub/menu.lst
[10:33] <awormus> does the new one have gnome 2.12?
[10:33] <DaOne> bob2:  i had another small problem which i got around by running in expert mode: when it went to configure adp (or something like that) it came to a network test & wouldnt go any further.  any ideas?
[10:33] <nalioth> awormus: if you've 5 years exp, you shouldn't have any problems whenever you decide to install
[10:33] <mdke> awormus, yes
[10:33] <aftertaf> Determinist:  hmm...  change your driver in xorg.conf to "nv" and try again, if no joy change to 'vesa'
[10:33] <nalioth> awormus: yes it will
[10:33] <awormus> nalioth: never committed to anything though... still perfer windows on my workstation
[10:33] <Determinist> aftertaf, k, gotta reboot, bbiab
[10:33] <aftertaf> ok.
[10:33] <bob2> DaOne: I don't know adp is
[10:33] <mdke> awormus, Ubuntu will convince you to move
[10:34] <Kezza> what is the best way to troubleshoot NFS mounting?
[10:34] <nalioth> awormus: you'll have extra time with linux (wont be chasing viruses, or waiting for "terrible tuesday")
[10:34] <awormus> mdke: well, I fired up the liveCD on my laptop and was very impressed
[10:34] <mdke> cool
[10:34] <tga> there's nothing on the livecd that you don't get with other distro livecds
[10:34] <Kezza> awormus, just use hoary and upgrade to breezy later
[10:34] <tga> the fun is in the packages and community
[10:34] <Somada141> i've been battling to play divx/xvid in ubuntu for really long. is there a codec for all formats similar to ffdshow or not?
[10:35] <awormus> Kezza: so I guess upgrading is easy as well..
[10:35] <nalioth> Somada141: there are xvid/divx libraries available
[10:35] <awormus> that was the bane of all other Linux versions I've used
[10:35] <Somada141> i got some but the perfomance was terrible
[10:35] <cevizoglu> tga: the fun is in using an obscure cryptic system that no one else can figure out how to use..
[10:35] <Kezza> awormus,  Yeah.  as easy as running a command.
[10:35] <DaOne> bob2: i probably havent got it right.  :S
[10:35] <nalioth> awormus: yes, ubuntu is based on debian which begat "apt-get"
[10:35] <cevizoglu> tga: oh wait, that was linux 1997
[10:35] <tga> cevizoglu, there are better choices than linux for that
[10:35] <selinium> bob2: I have just built wine from cvs, what would you do about installing ie?
[10:35] <Somada141> then i got totem-xine but the quality went bad
[10:36] <tga> qnx comes to mind from my recent experiences
[10:36] <selinium> bob2: Security wise?
[10:36] <cevizoglu> tga: I'm joking, ubuntu is the opposite of that
[10:36] <Somada141> please someone i need help with that
[10:36] <tombalablomba> did anybody install openldap on ubuntu?
[10:36] <tga> !tell Somada141 about restrictedformats
[10:36] <nalioth> Somada141: do you have all your repos enabled?
[10:36] <thoreauputic> Somada141: have you enabled dma on your drives?
[10:36] <cevizoglu> tga: no, I said hard to install.  qnx is insanely easy to install
[10:36] <tombalablomba> as i always run into the same SASL problems with it
[10:36] <bob2> DaOne: if you found out the exact name I might be able to help
[10:37] <Somada141> why?
[10:37] <bob2> selinium: install it to /usr/local/wine or whatever
[10:37] <Tzi> Hi!  Anyone else got problems with gdm on Breezy?  I fixed it by adding "|| true" in /etc/init.d/gdm, line 33...
[10:37] <Somada141> i don't play from discs but from the hard drive
[10:37] <bob2> selinium: installing IE as root is the issue, not wine
[10:37] <cevizoglu> tga: er, I guess I didn't mention installing.. time for sleep
[10:37] <selinium> hi nalioth thoreauputic! Fanct meeting you here! lol
[10:37] <nalioth> selinium: do i know you? :)
[10:37] <tga> cevizoglu, solaris is fun to install.. not hard but takes forever
[10:37] <DaOne> bob2: also, how do i log in as root?
[10:38] <thoreauputic> selinium: vaguely familiar nick... seen you somewhere...
[10:38] <Kezza> DaOne, sudo su - then set a password
[10:38] <Kezza> using paswd
[10:38] <Kezza> er, passwd
[10:39] <bob2> DaOne: wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo
[10:39] <benplaut> how can i tell the compter to shut off after 2 hours?
[10:39] <Bateau_> hey!, i just installed apache, php and mysql (going to make som homepages). but when i try to do mysql_connect(); it says its an undefined function. what have i forgot?
[10:39] <bob2> benplaut: sleep 2h ; sudo shutdown -h now
[10:39] <bob2> benplaut: if you have passwordless sudo, anyway
[10:39] <benplaut> so
[10:39] <thoreauputic> benplaut: speak sternly to it and tell it to shape up ;)
[10:39] <selinium> bob2: THat is ok, i have installed wine as root. But how would you go about installing IE security wise? Would you create a new user and only use that for windows type stuff?
[10:39] <benplaut> just do it in a root term, anywy?
[10:40] <tga> benplaut, no need for the root term if you use sudo
[10:40] <bob2> benplaut: yes
[10:40] <bob2> tga: there is-ish in this case
[10:40] <benplaut> thanks
[10:40] <bob2> well, without doing more complicated shell things
[10:40] <bob2> selinium: Ideally, yeah, but I'd probably be too lazy
[10:41] <tga> bob2, shutdown gets ran as root anyway
[10:41] <Kezza> Bateau_, php4-mysql installed?
[10:41] <Bateau_> yupp
[10:41] <Bateau_> try uninstall, and reinstall?
[10:41] <selinium> bob2: Cheers for the pointers. One assumes then it can only mess up that user?
[10:42] <Kezza> Bateau_, nah..  I think there is something in httpd.conf you need to change.
[10:42] <Bateau_> mkay, what?
[10:42] <Kezza> if I knew that I would tell you :)
[10:42] <Bateau_> hehe, oki
[10:42] <Kezza> i haven't installed php, apache, mysql in a long time..
[10:42] <bob2> selinium: yes, tho it could theoretically spwe spam across the interweb, etc
[10:42] <bob2> you don't need to change any config files for that to work
[10:43] <Kezza> installing apache now..
[10:43] <Kezza> and php and mysql
[10:43] <lastnode> /dev/hda5 /media/fat fat defaults 0 0
[10:43] <lastnode> should work in fstab right?
[10:43] <tga> lastnode, vfat
[10:44] <tga> lastnode, also you need defaults,umask=0 if you want all users to be able to access that drive
[10:44] <CaiN_SA> bob2, when i do Xorg -configure it said : missing output drivers. How do i fix it ?
[10:44] <selinium> bob2: thanks for all your help, one of the main reasons for switching to *nix was to be rid of malware
[10:45] <bob2> CaiN_SA: don't run that
[10:45] <bob2> CaiN_SA: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[10:45] <tga> lastnode, http://ubuntuguide.org/#mountunmountfat
[10:45] <lastnode> tga, it's just me
[10:46] <nalioth> tga: i cant believe you did that
[10:46] <tga> huh? did what?
[10:46] <tga> lastnode, even so, your user will not have access to the mounted drive if you don't use umask=0
[10:47] <tga> nalioth, ubuntuguide is not much worse than irc.. at least it's a form of written reference
[10:48] <nalioth> tga reference needing a disclaimer not to wander from the destination
[10:48] <tga> same goes for irc
[10:49] <tga> I'm not saying it's great.. an official faq would be much appreciated
[10:49] <bob2> there is an official FAQ
[10:49] <bob2> and a doc team
[10:49] <nalioth> tga: more folks 'trust' web pages than irc (on irc you have a buncha folks going NONONONO when an arshole tries to pull a fast one)
[10:49] <bob2> tho I don't know what they're doing
[10:49] <bob2> Burgundavia: where can I find the official ubuntu guide for breezy these days?
[10:49] <nalioth> bob2: they're sittin around with beers, cigars and playin cards
[10:50] <nalioth> oh hi Burgundavia
[10:50] <nalioth> heh heh
[10:50] <Burgundavia> bob2, the faqguide http://doc.ubuntu.com/gnome/faqi386/C/
[10:50] <bob2> neat, thanks
[10:50] <cevizoglu> tga: listen to the 'bot
[10:51] <lastnode> how do i run some bash commands i create and save in a file?
[10:52] <pipoun> type the name of the file in a console
[10:52] <tga> lastnode, either execute the file with `bash yourfile` or put #!/bin/bash as the first line and make it executable with chmod +x yourfile
[10:53] <nalioth> tga: nicely put (i was busy typing)
[10:54] <pointwood> anyone played around with postgresql and phppgadmin? I've just installed it (and apache2), but I'm unsure how to get phppgadmin to work?
[10:56] <tombalablomba> anybody experience with openldap?
[10:56] <tga> afaict the phppgadmin package doesn't configure apache2
[10:56] <tombalablomba> you could also try to manage it using webmin
[10:57] <phoenix_atlantis> Im using breezy and Im affected by the problem that my X is not anymore able to handle the swiss german keyboard layout - Is anybody aware if the layout problems should be fixed? So I might figure if it is just a swiss german problem or a wider problem - the german keyboard works though....
[10:57] <lastnode> tga, thanks
[10:57] <danst> Hi I am having a small problem with my session management (dont know if this is the right term for it) in ubuntu: last time I shut my computer down I wanted to try the "save session" checkbox. now I am having the problem that everytime I log in a terminal and some other windows open up. How can I prevent them from opening? I dont know how to make them not autostart!
[10:57] <tga> lastnode, np
[10:58] <tga> danst, close everything before you shut down and save the session
[10:59] <lastnode> tga that fstab edit didnt go too well
[10:59] <lastnode> does load up
[10:59] <lastnode> i have /dev/hda5 /media/hda5 defaults,umask=0 0 0
[10:59] <lastnode> oh and vfat in the middle
[10:59] <danst> tga, and how can i add some other programms to this autostart folder/script/?. I would like to have gaim startup everytime i login...
[11:00] <tga> lastnode: assuming hda5 is the right partition and /media/hda5 exists your fstab line looks good to me
[11:00] <Myrtti> pointwood: try sudo dpkg-reconfigure phppgadmin
[11:01] <nalioth> danst: do you use gnome?
[11:01] <Myrtti> I just installed it and it did ask whether to reconfigure what webservers
[11:01] <tga> danst, one way would be to manually add your commands to .xsession in your home dir
[11:01] <tga> I don't know where gnome saves its session info
[11:02] <nalioth> danst if you use gnome, try the system menu > preferences > sessions
[11:02] <danst> nalioth, yes i forgot to say i am using gnome
[11:02] <tga> hmm.. I never used that.. what file do the startup apps go in?
[11:02] <nalioth> tga: ~/.gnome somewhere
[11:03] <tga> ~/.gnome2/session
[11:03] <nalioth> tga: using the menu method is easier than editing files
[11:03] <tga> it looks nasty though
[11:03] <tga> true, but editing .xsession will work across window managers
[11:04] <danst> but right now there is nothing in the sys-menu >pref>sessions and nontheless it is starting up my terminal...
[11:04] <cbb> my system doesnt detect soundcard. what should i do?
[11:04] <tga> cbb, what sound card do you have?
[11:05] <cbb> old genius sound maker
[11:05] <tga> old as in isa?
[11:05] <cbb> yup
[11:06] <ippiraman> is cedega.deb available on the repositories?
[11:06] <tga> what does modprobe snd-card-fm801 say?
[11:06] <aftertaf> ippiraman:  cedega is $$$ware
[11:06] <thoreauputic> ippiraman: cedega you pay for
[11:06] <aftertaf> you have to pay
[11:06] <cbb> FATAL: Module snd_card_fm801 not found.
[11:06] <hettar> anyone here had problems with the intel wireless cards ??
[11:07] <hettar> I keep getting errors like [4378400.006000]  ipw2200: Firmware error detected.  Restarting.
[11:07] <toxicle> hello guys
[11:07] <nalioth> ippiraman: if you feel lucky, you can approach "cedega-cvs"
[11:07] <gt> how do i get into run level 3?
[11:07] <toxicle> can you recommend a good console based bittorent client?
[11:07] <ippiraman> i see. i installed cvscedega but no games worked
[11:07] <gt> so as to close x windows?
[11:07] <bob2> hettar: it seems the hardware itself is shit
[11:07] <gt> if that correct
[11:07] <thoreauputic> gt: that won't close X
[11:07] <bob2> gt: you don't need to shutdown X
[11:08] <gt> how so
[11:08] <hettar> bob2, I never had any problems on hoary
[11:08] <tga> toxicle, btdownloadcurses
[11:08] <thoreauputic> gt: to stop X do :  sudo invoke-rc.d gdm stop
[11:08] <gt> and how will i get back?
[11:08] <toxicle> tga: apt-get install btdownloadcurses
[11:08] <nalioth> toxicle: either standard bittorent from bram, or bittornado
[11:08] <thoreauputic> gt: umm - same command, start
[11:08] <gt> figures
[11:08] <gt> thanks
[11:09] <nalioth> toxicle: you should have it already on your box
[11:09] <bob2> hettar: I've seen that error the whole time I've had a centrino laptop
[11:09] <gt> this channel is truely wonderful
[11:09] <toxicle> nalioths_dog: how to run it ?
[11:09] <toxicle> nalioth: bittorrent ?
[11:09] <tga> cbb, modprobe snd-fm801 maybe?
[11:09] <nalioth> toxicle: open a terminal and type "btdownloadcurses.py file.torrnt>
[11:09] <Determinist> ok, changed driver to nv and now X works...
[11:09] <Kytten> hey bob 2 i think i found the problem , once i click on the dialup to connect it's gives me this note ( /etc/resolv.conf is missing or can't be read ask ur administrator to creatue this file with approriate read and write premission
[11:10] <Myrtti> btdownloadgui
[11:10] <henk> if i want to run the translucency stuff smoothly.. what kind of card do you need? whould and simple nvidia card do? or does it use a power gpu ?
[11:10] <Determinist> now i wanna find out how to get my nvidia drivers working again
[11:10] <toxicle> thanks i'll tryok thanks i'll try
[11:10] <tga> henk, I don't think translucency works smoothly on any card yet
[11:10] <Determinist> henk: i've seen very strong nvidia cards failing with that thing. it's still buggy.
[11:10] <lastnode> tga, it mounts fine
[11:10] <nalioth> Myrtti: he wants a console bt client
[11:10] <tga> lastnode, great
[11:11] <Kytten> guys anybody can helps me with that
[11:11] <Determinist> henk: but since nvidia still offer better drivers than ATI i'd say you should be alright with anything 6XXX
[11:11] <Kytten> to create a file
[11:11] <henk> i'm not talking about buggy, i'm talking about what whould run it once its mautre
[11:11] <bob2> Kytten: so, I'm pretty sure I told you to ignore that like 12 hours ago
[11:11] <Determinist> henk: definately nvidia 6XXX then
[11:11] <Kytten> hey bob 2 i think i found the problem , once i click on the dialup to connect it's gives me this note ( /etc/resolv.conf is missing or can't be read ask ur administrator to creatue this file with approriate read and write premission )
[11:11] <cbb> tga: no output
[11:12] <Kytten> what can i do bob2 i need to fix it i am not plyaing here
[11:12] <tga> cbb, that's good, unmute all the channels with alsamixer and try making some noise
[11:12] <selinium> Hi all, i have just installed wine fom cvs, but as it is the first time I have used cvs, I am not sure if it is installed. typing wine in a term does nothing. Butthere was no failure in the cvs build?>
[11:12] <tga> cbb, you can also try to look at the last lines in dmesg to see what that module is doing
[11:12] <thoreauputic> Kytten: does /etc/resolv.conf contain nameservers?  cat /etc/resolv.conf to see
[11:12] <bob2> Kytten: ignore whatever gui crap you're using
[11:12] <bob2> Kytten: use 'sudo pppconfig' to set it up
[11:13] <bob2> Kytten: then 'sudo pon' to dial
[11:13] <tga> selinium, did you do a cvs build or did you just get the sources through cvs?
[11:13] <tga> wvdial should be alright too.. or the gnome thing
[11:13] <thoreauputic> Kytten: I agree with bob2 - sudo pppconfig is the way to go
[11:13] <Determinist> bob2: would upgrading to breezy from hoary require anything more than changing sources.list?
[11:13] <selinium> tga: both I believe! Following this tutorial.  http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=29996
[11:14] <bob2> Determinist: wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyUpgradeNotes
[11:14] <Bateau_> how do i recompile apache2 to go with mysql?
[11:14] <bob2> Bateau_: you don't
[11:14] <Bateau_> uhm.. ok?
[11:14] <Kytten> thoreauputic : even if there is a file missing like that file /etc/resolv.conf
[11:14] <bob2> this is not redhat or gentoo
[11:14] <cbb> tga: output alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device
[11:14] <bob2> Bateau_: libapache2-mod-auth-mysql - Apache 2 module for MySQL authentication
[11:14] <Bateau_> but i want mysql :(
[11:14] <Bateau_> huh?
[11:14] <thoreauputic> Kytten: just run sudo pppconfig and answer the questions
[11:15] <tga> cbb, I guess that wasn't the driver for your card
[11:15] <thoreauputic> Kytten: it should set up your dialup for you just fine
[11:15] <tga> cbb, sorry, I can't help much with ISA stuff
[11:15] <selinium> Bateau_, there is a walk through here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ApacheMySQLPHP?action=show&redirect=LAMPForHoary
[11:15] <Kytten> k
[11:15] <cbb> ok thanx anyway
[11:15] <tga> cbb, http://xlife.zuavra.net/columns/20040418/ take a look at this though
[11:15] <Bateau_> oki, thanks selinium :)
[11:15] <selinium> Bateau_, np
[11:15] <bob2> Bateau_: install that package
[11:15] <emdeex> mplayer crashes with a singal 11 on loading DVD's, anyone fixed this?
[11:16] <Bateau_> i allready have that package :x
[11:16] <selinium> bob2: I sent him to the LAMP on ubuntu wiki
[11:16] <toxicle> hi i'm back again .. installed bittornado .. but the command don't work
[11:16] <pointwood> Myrtti: thanks, but shouldn't I be able to access it at localhost/phppgadmin ?
[11:16] <toxicle> i'm on base install
[11:16] <toxicle> so that's why i want a console client
[11:16] <thoreauputic> Kytten: note that eg com 1 is  ttyS0, com 2 is ttyS1 and so on ( and don't give your provider a name unless you want extra typing beyong "pon")
[11:16] <toxicle> i don't have X
[11:16] <bob2> selinium: that's not what he/she was asking about
[11:17] <bob2> toxicle: sure it does
[11:17] <bob2> toxicle: dpkg -L bittornado | grep bin
[11:17] <thoreauputic> s/beyong/beyond
[11:17] <bob2> toxicle: that shows the executables it includes
[11:25] <toxicle> bobbyd: thanks
[11:25] <selinium> bob2: but they should be able to find what there after there tho?
[11:25] <toxicle> bob2: thanks
[11:25] <lorenzod> Anybody using Gnome with openbox?
[11:25] <nalioth> toxicle: is the bittornado python scripts in your $PATH?
[11:25] <Determinist> bob2: any idea where i could find a good gnome alarm clock?
[11:25] <bob2> it's way less soul-crushing if you just ask your question
[11:25] <toxicle> bob2: root@blackbawx:~# dpkg -L bittornado | grep bin
[11:25] <toxicle> root@blackbawx:~#
[11:25] <toxicle> nothing
[11:25] <gt> ok so i used that command you huys suguested
[11:25] <thoreauputic> Determinist:  sleep 8h && cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp   ;-)
[11:25] <gt> it stopped at a thjing saying it was checking the battery status
[11:25] <gt> and wouldnt do anything
[11:25] <toxicle> nalioth: i do't know i just apt-get install bittornado
[11:25] <bob2> toxicle: a) don't use root, b) "dpkg -l bittornado|tail -n1"
[11:25] <selinium> Any one used cvs to build stuff before?
[11:25] <gt> waited and waited and nothign, so i restated
[11:25] <toxicle> bob2: ok i'll try and will be back :)
[11:25] <bob2> selinium: best to be a lot more specific
[11:25] <pointwood> anyone played around with postgresql and phppgadmin? I've just installed it (and apache2), but I'm unsure how to get phppgadmin to work? I've run "sudo dpkg-reconfigure phppgadmin" but that doesn
[11:25] <gt> bob, ya know, i think im starting o like your cut to the point ass attitude, and i mean that in the most sincere way
[11:25] <pointwood> * that doesn't seem to change much?
[11:25] <toxicle> back
[11:25] <toxicle> bob2:
[11:25] <toxicle> bob2:
[11:25] <toxicle> toxicle@blackbawx:~$ dpkg -l bittornado|tail -n1
[11:25] <toxicle> rc  bittornado     0.3.12-4~5.04u bittorrent client with enhanced curses inter
[11:25] <bob2> toxicle: then you don't have bittornado installed
[11:25] <toxicle> hrrm
[11:25] <toxicle> bbl
[11:25] <gt> any ideas whats wrong bob?
[11:25] <bob2> I can't see your question on my screen
[11:25] <gt> ok
[11:25] <gt> i tried the commond you guys offered
[11:25] <gt> and it left windows...x that is... and went to a dos looking screen.. and then nothing
[11:25] <gt> no prompt
[11:25] <gt> just stopped at something saying it was checking the battery
[11:25] <bob2> I don't know what command you're talking about
[11:25] <gt> desktop pc btw lol
[11:25] <gt> the one to close x ,let me get it
[11:25] <selinium> sorry,  i have just followed the wiki for installing wine. it said build complete, but in the wiki it says it will continue and do the install, but that does not appear to have happened for me!  :)
[11:25] <selinium> wine wki at http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=29996
[11:25] <selinium> *wiki
[11:25] <gt> sudo invoke rc d gdm stop
[11:25] <gt> puntuation removed
[11:25] <bob2> that will stop gdm, yes
[11:25] <bob2> and leave you at a login
[11:25] <aftertaf> gt:  you can try /etc/init.d/gdm stop too
[11:25] <thoreauputic> aftertaf: does the same thing
[11:25] <gt> what i need... is a way to stop gdm...and leave me witha  promp
[11:25] <thoreauputic> gt: so you login
[11:25] <gt> theres no promprt to login
[11:25] <toxicle> bob2: sorry no go ... after i install bittornado .. issue dpkg -l ... i get the same thing
[11:25] <thoreauputic> gt: name <enter>, pass <enter>
[11:25] <gt> its just sitting there with some thing about batterys
[11:25] <aftertaf> gt: do CTL+ALT+F1
[11:25] <bob2> toxicle: then you don't have it installed
[11:25] <gt> no im serious, theres no prompt, and no text shows when i type
[11:25] <gt> ok
[11:25] <bob2> toxicle: the first two letters will be ii when it's installed
[11:25] <aftertaf> just black, with a _ top left ?
[11:31] <toxicle> bob2: but i alreday have it installed ..apt-get install bittornado
[11:31] <bob2> toxicle: no, you don't
[11:31] <bob2> toxicle: show us the full output from apt, including the command you enetered, in #flood
[11:31] <toxicle> bob2: i tried install bittorrent also the same thing happened
[11:31] <bob2> it sounds very much like you're ignoring the error from apt
[11:31] <toxicle> paste on channel #flood?
[11:31] <bob2> yes
[11:31] <toxicle> ok hold
[11:31] <aftertaf> gt: reboot, and when it switches from console to X on startup, revert to console with ctl-alt_F1
[11:31] <bob2> toxicle: bittorrent != bittornado
[11:31] <toxicle> bob2: did you see that?
[11:31] <bob2> dpkg -L bittorrent
[11:31] <toxicle> bob2: ok
[11:31] <toxicle> bob2: I can't paste ... there's / before the line
[11:31] <toxicle> it shows list of files
[11:32] <cbb> toxicle put a symbol in front then
[11:32] <bob2> or use a less bad irc client
[11:32] <bob2> irssi handles it fine
[11:33] <toxicle> i'm on bitchx
[11:33] <bob2> anything is less bad, then
[11:33] <toxicle> cbb: many lines ... i can't tried already
[11:33] <bob2> sure you can
[11:33] <toxicle> how?
[11:33] <bob2> dpkg -L blah | sed -e 's/^/,/'
[11:33] <toxicle> u leet
[11:33] <toxicle> :)
[11:33] <toxicle> brb
[11:35] <toxicle> bah flooded
[11:35] <bob2> use irssi
[11:36] <toxicle> bob2: perhaps tell me how to use bittorrent ?
[11:36] <toxicle> just run the commandline right?
[11:36] <bob2> yes
[11:36] <crtr> Where I can see more repositories for my kubuntu ?
[11:36] <toxicle> the problem is i can't find it
[11:36] <bob2> crtr: what are you looking for?
[11:36] <bob2> toxicle: yes you can, dpkg -L prints it out for you
[11:36] <bob2> btdownloadcurses is perhaps what you want
[11:36] <toxicle> ok
[11:37] <crtr> repositories ..  more urls ?
[11:37] <toxicle> errr
[11:37] <thoreauputic> toxicle: dpkg -L bittorent | grep bin
[11:37] <tga> !tell crtr about repositories
[11:37] <toxicle> thanks
[11:37] <crtr> 10x
[11:38] <thoreauputic> s/bittorent/bittorrent
[11:39] <bob2> adding random other repositories is a terrible idea
[11:39] <toxicle> is it btdownloadcurses.bittorrent?
[11:39] <toxicle> mypapit: hi fellow malaysian :)
[11:40] <thoreauputic> toxicle: just tab-complete the command
[11:40] <mypapit> toxicle, hye
[11:40] <toxicle> ahh got it at last
[11:40] <toxicle> btdownloadcurses.bittorrent
[11:40] <toxicle> thoreauputic: thanks
[11:40] <thoreauputic> toxicle: if you hit tab twice you get a list of matches
[11:41] <toxicle> mypapit: what brings you here?
[11:41] <selinium> ok the install of wine is hanging on Can't create temporary cache file /etc/ld.so.cache~: Permission denied    it does not matter if I chmod 777 this file either? any ideas?
[11:41] <bob2> wtf
[11:41] <toxicle> thoreauputic: got that ... don't even know the first letter so i can't inittially
[11:41] <onkarshinde> Can anyone tell me if there is any major speed difference between hoary & breezy? What about performance on a 128 RAM machine?
[11:41] <selinium> bob2: that aimed at me? :)
[11:42] <mypapit> toxicle, i always hang around here
[11:42] <tga> onkarshinde, if there happens to be a speed difference it's surely not major
[11:42] <mjr> onkarshinde, probably not that major differences on either count; 128 is a bit low, but should be doable
[11:42] <pazzesco> can someone point me in the right directions? Im needing some docs on how to turn Ubuntu into a web/email server.
[11:42] <toxicle> mypapit: oh ok ... didn't see u earlier
[11:42] <toxicle> mypapit: are you going to HITB?
[11:42] <tga> onkarshinde, you don't want to run gnome on 128M of ram.. try using a lightweight window manager like openbox
[11:42] <onkarshinde> mjr: I am currently running HOARY on 128 RAM. That is why I wanted to know.
[11:43] <mypapit> toxicle, no, i'm occupied with work in alor star
[11:43] <mjr> onkarshinde, right, well, expect mostly the same performance
[11:43] <toxicle> mypapit: allright .. if you come penang look me up :)
[11:44] <_van_> what about gnome 2.10 and gnome 2.12 performance?
[11:44] <toxicle> allright guys .. i'm off work ;P
[11:44] <_van_> is 2.12 faster?
[11:44] <onkarshinde> mjr: Ok. And how about if I make XFCE4 as my desktop environment? Is that faster than GNOME?
[11:44] <mypapit> toxicle, sure.. ;)
[11:44] <thoreauputic> onkarshinde: yes
[11:44] <lorenzod> _van_: it feels so, as long as you avoid metacity.
[11:44] <mjr> onkarshinde, yes it is, though also less featured; you may want to experiment and make up your mind after
[11:45] <pluffsy> hello. I was here yesterday and had weird problems with dhcp (it just couldn't find my dhcp server). anyway, I tried to solve the problem with reinstalling ubuntu. I tried to reinstall two times, but at different places under the installation of ubuntu-base the installer displayed a red background and said the CD was broken. I didn't get any errors of that kind the first time I installed, but do you think the cd might have been broken at that tim
[11:45] <Sionide> onkarshinde, just go to synaptic and install it - then log out, choose Sessions and it should be there
[11:45] <bob2> gnome on 128mb is always going to suck
[11:45] <selinium> pazzesco, try http://ubuntu.wordpress.com/2005/09/08/how-to-setup-a-mailserver-on-a-ubuntu-system/
[11:45] <bob2> pluffsy: why don't you just check?
[11:45] <onkarshinde> Sionide: I am not asking how to install it. I was just wondering if breezy is worth the wait?
[11:46] <pluffsy> bob2: because my cd-burner is broken, so I need to go over to a friend with my firewire disk and I wonder if I should burn a new ubuntu copy or try another dist.
[11:46] <bitje> hi Sionide.. what will you do do otherwise ?
[11:46] <Sionide> onkarshinde, oh, mis-read your question - i'd stick with hoary for now..
[11:46] <aftertaf> pluffsy:  burn another copy or download again....
[11:47] <pluffsy> aftertaf: I have checked the image file with md5 so it seems to be correct.
[11:47] <jo_e> how do I start the samba daemon? invoke-rc.d samba responds with "invoke-rc.d: initscript samba, action "start" failed."
[11:47] <aftertaf> pluffsy:  reburnage then dude ;)
[11:47] <pazzesco> selinium: thanx for that
[11:47] <pluffsy> aftertaf: yeah :)
[11:47] <tga> jo_e, /etc/init.d/samba start
[11:47] <bob2> pluffsy: so, why don't you just check?
[11:47] <bob2> pluffsy: boot expert mode and select "verify disk" or whatever
[11:47] <tga> jo_e, with sudo obviously
[11:47] <pazzesco> wich ver. of linux is Ubuntu based from if any?
[11:47] <bob2> verifying the .iso is of no use
[11:47] <tga> pazzesco, debian
[11:47] <jo_e> tga, "* Starting Samba daemons [fail] "
[11:48] <tga> jo_e, /etc/init.d/samba restart
[11:48] <selinium> pazzesco, no problem!
[11:48] <pazzesco> tga: thanx
[11:48] <jo_e> tga,  * Stopping Samba daemons...                                             [ ok ] 
[11:48] <jo_e>  * Starting Samba daemons..                                              [fail] 
[11:48] <pluffsy> bob2: didn't you read what I typed? when I installed it the second and third time it said the disk was broken. but when I first tried it didn't say anything like that, but dhcp was all weird. so I wondered if it was a far fetched idea that the dhcp problem was related to an unstable cd.
[11:48] <onkarshinde> Sionide: I don't have any net connection at present. So I will have to wait till breezy is final and I obtain my opy from somewhere.
[11:48] <tga> jo_e, sounds like your /etc/samba/smb.conf is bad
[11:49] <Sionide> onkarshinde, seems fair enough to me
[11:49] <jo_e> tga, I don't have one!
[11:49] <tga> jo_e, what exactly are you expecting samba to do then?
[11:49] <jo_e> tga, oh, yes I do
[11:49] <jo_e> tga, how do I know what is wrong with it?
[11:50] <tga> jo_e, take a look at the logs in /var/log/samba/
[11:50] <bob2> pluffsy: so, check it and find out?
[11:50] <pluffsy> bob2: oh you mean I should check the installed version?
[11:51] <bob2> pluffsy: I mean, verify the CD already
[11:51] <pluffsy> bob2: but the installer did it twice and failed.
[11:51] <Sionide> http://ubuntu.wordpress.com/2005/09/14/ubuntu-dapper-drake/
[11:51] <bob2> if the installer failed to verify it, the cd is broken
[11:52] <hadi57> hi every one, how do i burn CD's in ubuntu?
[11:52] <pluffsy> bob2: still for some reason it didn't find the error the first time. and it installed without errors, though with broken dhcp.
[11:52] <bob2> hadi57: insert a blank cd
[11:53] <jo_e> the samba log has "[2005/09/15 19:36:21, 0]  param/params.c:Section(280)
[11:53] <jo_e>   params.c:Section() - Badly formed line in configuration file: ] "
[11:53] <selinium> i cant finish the install of wine it hangs on Can't create temporary cache file /etc/ld.so.cache~: Permission denied If i set perms to 777 it still fails. Any ideas people?
[11:53] <bob2> don't set it to 777
[11:53] <bob2> that's just asking for trouble
[11:53] <bob2> the problem is it can't write to /etc/
[11:53] <bob2> which is fine
[11:53] <hadi57> what if i want to erase the CD and burn new image
[11:53] <intelikey> hmmm on the install cd  what is the name of the partition tool  i don't see fdisk or cfdisk ?
[11:53] <bob2> but means you need to either fix $prefix or install it as root
[11:53] <bob2> intelikey: partman, part of d-i
[11:53] <gt> ok
[11:53] <hadi57> how to start the CD burning program what is it called?
[11:54] <gt> soi did everything the psge says about 5 times
[11:54] <Sionide> hadi57, apt-get install gnomebaker
[11:54] <bob2> hadi57: right click on the cd icon and select "erase"
[11:54] <nalioth> hadi57: when you insert a blank cd, a burning dialog will appear
[11:54] <gt> and no invidia splash screen
[11:54] <intelikey> bob2 there is no partman ???
[11:54] <hadi57> ah ok, thnx
[11:54] <gt> and no prewiew available for the 3d screen savers
[11:55] <intelikey> i need to partition a disk before i can install and i can't find any way to do that.
[11:55] <bob2> intelikey: yes there is !!!
[11:55] <bob2> intelikey: the installer prompts you to partition the disk
[11:55] <intelikey> no it didn't
[11:55] <gt> it did me
[11:55] <bob2> yes, it does
[11:55] <icc14> hello guys
[11:55] <intelikey> no it didn't
[11:55] <gt> ...
[11:55] <bob2> intelikey: so, stop arguing and tell us what steps your magic version of ubuntu had
[11:56] <thoreauputic> intelikey: *cough* seems you are in a minority of one
[11:56] <gt> any reason the ubuntu nvidia drivers arent working for me?
[11:56] <icc14> anyone up to the task of helping a noob set up his pc??
[11:56] <gt> yes
[11:56] <bob2> it's almost certainly because it's misconfigured
[11:56] <intelikey> when it gets to the part where it is trying to install the base system it turns red and says you must first partition ...
[11:56] <gt> go to isohunt.org
[11:56] <bob2> but guessing what's wrong is very hard fro ma distance
[11:56] <icc14> PM me pls
[11:56] <gt> download windows xp sp2
[11:56] <gt> burn iso to cd
[11:56] <gt> install
[11:56] <bob2> this is not a warez channel
[11:57] <gt> i know
[11:57] <nalioth> icc14: i see no noobs, but you may get help if you ask a question
[11:57] <gt> that wasnt a warez
[11:57] <bob2> also this is highly off-topic
[11:57] <icc14> pm me to help me
[11:57] <bob2> icc14: ask a question in here, or leave
[11:57] <intelikey> thoreauputic i am the one looking at the thing and it never offered to partition anything....  it is just erroring out on me.
[11:57] <nalioth> icc14: ask your question in here, please
[11:57] <brownie17> bob2 service pack 2 is completely free
[11:57] <icc14> ok
[11:57] <bob2> ok
[11:58] <icc14> how do i get my ubuntu to run windows apps and games
[11:58] <gt> brownie wsa confused
[11:58] <gt> wine
[11:58] <gt> or whatever
[11:58] <bob2> icc14: if you care a lot about windows applications and games, ubuntu is probably not for you
[11:58] <icc14> is there a util for ubuntu besides wine??
[11:58] <thoreauputic> intelikey: the default install gives options for partitioning like "guided" etc, from memory
[11:58] <tombalablomba> anybody experience with openldap on ubuntu?
[11:58] <bob2> icc14: you can buy cedega, www.transgaming.com
[11:58] <bob2> tombalablomba: just ask your question already
[11:58] <gt> in said case windows might be the best most performance biased option
[11:59] <icc14> windows cost more than ubuntu
[11:59] <bob2> icc14: and codeweaver's wine can be bought, too; www.codeweavers.com
[11:59] <gt> true
[11:59] <bob2> icc14: yes, so you need to make your own decision
[11:59] <gt> get windows 98 from somewhere, msoft doesnt care about it anymore
[11:59] <bob2> 19:56:57           bob2 | this is not a warez channel
[11:59] <icc14> thats y i need your help coz i cant afford windows
[11:59] <gt> hmmmm
[11:59] <hadi57> how to list all irc servers with x-chat so i can choose with channel to join?
[11:59] <gt> what games you wanna play?
[12:00] <tombalablomba> I've got good experience with codeweavers stuf
[12:00] <icc14> starcraft online, counter-strike online
[12:00] <intelikey> steps chose lang, chose keyb, sel&mount cd, load debconf files, load installer from cd, detect net, load installer components, detect hardware, install base system ERROR !!!!!
[12:00] <guillem101> icc14, try to find alternatives to your win programs in ubuntu (execpt for games)
[12:00] <bob2> hadi57: /list
[12:00] <thoreauputic> gt, icc14  off topic
[12:00] <hadi57> thx bob2
[12:00] <bob2> hadi57: which is useless, since most servers have thousands
[12:00] <_van_> how to update gnome to version 2.12?
[12:00] <bob2> _van_: wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyUpgradeNotes
[12:00] <icc14> pls help
[12:00] <bob2> _van_: note that it is pretty rocky
[12:00] <_van_> THNX
[12:01] <icc14> this channel is for ubuntu users right??
[12:01] <nalioth> _van_: install breezy when it releases
[12:01] <intelikey> ERROR = disk must be partitioned...
[12:01] <bob2> icc14: if you care about windows games, www.transgaming.com
[12:01] <bob2> icc14: you can purchase cedega to play games
[12:01] <geyzer> how can i change the text that appears when a users ssh's into my ubuntu server?
[12:01] <bob2> geyzer: /etc/issue.net, /etc/issue or /etc/motd, I forget
[12:01] <aftertaf> !equivalents
[12:01] <ubotu> methinks equivalents is A decent list of linux equivalents and analogues can be found here: http://linuxshop.ru/linuxbegin/win-lin-soft-en/table.shtml#1
[12:01] <thoreauputic> geyzer: /etc/motd I think
[12:01] <nalioth> intelikey: have you tried running a partitioner from another terminal?
[12:01] <geyzer> bob2: ok i thought it was a motd ta
[12:01] <gydagm001> cool >> something useful on this piece of crap!!!
[12:01] <geyzer> thanks
[12:02] <bob2> gydagm001: awesome attitude
[12:02] <gt> i concur
[12:02] <intelikey> nalioth i was asking what the command is and all i can get out of this channel so far is it did it for me....
[12:02] <gydagm001> managed to download a gameboy emulator tho!
[12:02] <intelikey> but it didn't
[12:02] <bob2> intelikey: there's no command
[12:03] <bob2> intelikey: I think you missed a prompt, but boot expert mode and select the partitioning stage yourself
[12:03] <nalioth> intelikey: open another terminal from your installer (or use a livecd)
[12:03] <vijay> hello i have an acer laptop TM2312 and loaded hoary on it
[12:03] <guillem101> gydagm001, cout << "what happens to you?" << endl;
[12:03] <nalioth> intelikey: in the new terminal, run your favorite disk partitioner
[12:03] <vijay> that has an atheroscard
[12:03] <vijay> the people at the #madwifi say there is something wrong with my acpi
[12:03] <nalioth> intelikey: when finished, return to the login window with the installation running in it
[12:03] <intelikey> bob2 i booted server-expert.   there is no selecting "partition *"
[12:03] <nalioth> intelikey: finish your install
[12:04] <bob2> intelikey: then go get a hoary cd
[12:04] <gydagm001> try the ftp site leg.uct.ac.za : has emulators!
[12:04] <intelikey> nalioth that assumes a linux system on the box in question.   there is none.
[12:22] <nalioth> intelikey: you can do what i am telling you from the installer disk
[12:22] <gt> put the hard drive in a windows box, and format it there
[12:22] <intelikey> bob2 this is a hoary hedghog cd  duh
[12:22] <vijay> my dmesg is put up at http://rafb.net/paste/results/FmR2RF44.html
[12:22] <bob2> intelikey: then boot the default installer
[12:22] <bob2> intelikey: if that works, file a bug
[12:22] <nalioth> intelikey: i had to do the same exact process on my mac the other day
[12:22] <bob2> and lose the attitude
[12:22] <intelikey> it will not boot default bob2 !
[12:22] <gt> use whatever os you used to make the cd... that whould work, to partition the cd
[12:22] <intelikey> i told you that hours ago
[12:22] <geyzer> is there a command that will show the cpu speed and amount of ram etc?
[12:22] <ghostdog> how do i find a broken link in the synaptic repository?
[12:22] <intelikey> it falls into a loop
[12:22] <gydagm001> ??? y is every1 here disscussing boring things?!!!
[12:22] <gt> ...
[12:22] <gydagm001> ...
[12:22] <aftertaf> gydagm001:  type /topic ;)
[12:22] <gt> this wasnt intended to be an "interesting" channel i dont think
[12:22] <thoreauputic> geyzer: cat /proc/cpuinfo  ; free -m
[12:22] <geyzer> thanks thoreauputic
[12:22] <gydagm001> o
[12:22] <gydagm001> soz
[12:22] <vijay> need help
[12:22] <aftertaf> u can go to ubuntu-offtopic for more chatty type chan..
[12:22] <vijay> i have an acer TM2312 with ubuntu loaded
[12:22] <gydagm001> join #madwifi
[12:22] <gt> anyone here know how to instal the nvidia drivrs?
[12:22] <gt> i tried the wiki method
[12:22] <vijay> it has a atheros card and i loaded madwifi
[12:22] <thoreauputic> gydagm001: this is a help channel - #ubuntu-offtopic for general discussions
[12:22] <gt> it aint working so far
[12:22] <aftertaf> gt:  dpends which ones...
[12:22] <gt> how do i cnfigure it if somethings configured wrong?
[12:22] <vijay> the madwifi guys say something is wrong with my dmesg
[12:22] <aftertaf> gt:  i used the nvidia binaries. the ubuntu ones did no good to me.
[12:22] <vijay> it is pasted at http://rafb.net/paste/results/FmR2RF44.html
[12:22] <gt> how do i use them?
[12:22] <gt> i want accelrated 3d
[12:22] <gt> that is most importnat
[12:22] <aftertaf> i cant help you for the ubuntu ones, they crashed my system
[12:22] <gt> i want official then
[12:22] <gt> i can get them working till they say i need to not be in x
[12:22] <mjr> hmm, are there hoary acroread 7 packages somewhere, or do the breezy packages install on hoary?
[12:22] <gt> then i dont knwo what to do
[12:22] <intelikey> nalioth the live cd wont boot in 32m ram  so it looks like this box can not run ubuntu.....  it can't run mdk either if that is any conciliation
[12:22] <gt> 32 mb wont run ubuntu i thought it required 128
[12:22] <intelikey> different reason. tho
[12:22] <intelikey> the install cd says 24m
[12:22] <nalioth> intelikey: you can partition with the install disk
[12:22] <concept10> Anyone here had success updating to breezy? (without many problems, bugs are expected) ...
[12:22] <nalioth> intelikey: i can walk you through it (in another channel) if you like
[12:22] <intelikey> ok nalioth walk me through it.
[12:22] <nalioth> concept10: yes, it's a rocky road
[12:22] <concept10> nalioth: are you on it yet?
[12:22] <guillem101> intelikey, 32m RAM? that is so '95... I guess RH4.2 or RH5.2 would be better for that box
[12:22] <aftertaf> concept10:  yep... but hair pulling and muchas apt-getting
[12:22] <gt> i would like to know how to get into a console, without x running, other than pressing alt cntrol f2 or whatever
[12:22] <nalioths_dog> concept10, i am on breezy. woof
[12:22] <gt> that seems to crash my pc
[12:22] <concept10> aftertaf: hair pulling for ?  im not worried about the package grab
[12:22] <aftertaf> gt:  nope, but its the nvidia ubuntu drivers that did the same on my setup.
[12:22] <guillem101> gt, don't run gdm. /etc/init.d/gdm stop
[12:22] <gt> i can get them installed i think if i can jsut get x turened off, and havea prompt
[12:22] <aftertaf> concept10:  ill let you know tomorrow, my home PC is currently on Broary ;)
[12:22] <gt> what should i run then?
[12:22] <aftertaf> or Heezy :D
[12:22] <guillem101> gt, also, you may chmod -x /etc/init.d/gdm so it is not started
[12:22] <vijay> acpi setting help
[12:22] <galorin> I'm using the latest kubuntu.  Is there anything that I need to do in orer to get cd recording to work?
[12:22] <nalioth> gt: you can use the VESA driver for now
[12:22] <aftertaf> gt:  ^^^^---- yep
[12:22] <gt> i need performance
[12:22] <aftertaf> and remove the ubuntu nvidia driver packages
[12:22] <gt> rraw, unadulterated perfromance
[12:22] <aftertaf> gt:
[12:22] <aftertaf> give us a chance!
[12:22] <guillem101> galorin, use k3b (or install it if not yet available)
[12:22] <gt> so i  uninstall the unbuntu drivers....
[12:22] <ghostdog> how can i change my display settings its kinda locked to 640x800 and has 60Hzs ? how can i change it ?
[12:22] <gt> run the chmod commmand so x wont start...
[12:22] <aftertaf> choose between a broken nvidia without acceleration, or vesa... you won't have "rraw, unadulterated perfromance" yet
[12:22] <thoreauputic> !fixres
[12:22] <ubotu> somebody said fixres was http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[12:22] <nalioth> gt: you dont have to uninstall anything, just choose the VESA drivers
[12:22] <snorks> ls
[12:22] <gt> they will do three 2 well?
[12:22] <thoreauputic> ghostdog: see ubotu above
[12:22] <fortnox> Guys i am having a slight problem i use the fglrx drivers. When i run glxgears i get this error (Xlib:  extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":0.0".) why is it looking for xfree i am using xorg. this happend after i updated to breezy.
[12:22] <galorin> guillem101, it complained about not having cdrdao, I installed that, but k3b can't see the drive.
[12:22] <aftertaf> nalioth:  not sure..... the ubuntu =nvidia packages mess things up (imhe)
[12:22] <gt> ow do the official ones run?
[12:22] <aftertaf> better with the official nvidia.run file
[12:22] <aftertaf> gt:  go on the nvidia site and read... i learned that way ;)
[12:22] <gt> afteraf, what steps did you have to complete to run it sucesfully?
[12:22] <gt> ok...
[12:22] <snorks> man shell
[12:22] <aftertaf> gt:  they have a good step by step... but first you'll need to go VESA and remove the apt packages for nvidia.
[12:22] <aftertaf> try it... it worked for me.
[12:22] <ubuntu> hello
[12:22] <gt> f it this is too complicated
[12:22] <gt> i dont even care this much
[12:22] <gt> i give up on video drivers
[12:22] <selinium> bob2: the command I am using is sudo make install;echo /usr/local/lib>>/etc/ld.so.conf;/sbin/ldconfig i cant see why it wont write to the file?
[12:22] <gt> ok there is one last issue in my instal
[12:22] <gt> whneever i reboot...
[12:22] <ubuntu> i just want to know if linux is better than windows
[12:22] <gt> i have to deactivate and reactivate the eth0 card
[12:22] <bob2> selinium: haha
[12:22] <selinium> bob2: go on! :)
[12:22] <gt> better? get ready for an argument wr
[12:22] <yang> is it universal?
[12:22] <bob2> selinium: because the writing to that file is done by your shell, not sudo
[12:22] <bob2> selinium: er, not echo
[12:22] <bob2> selinium: so even if it was sudo echo, it wouldn't work
[12:22] <gt> windows would seem the more compatible and suer freindly choice
[12:22] <bob2> selinium: echo /usr/local/lib | sudo tee -a /etc/ld.s.conf
[12:22] <aftertaf> gt:  your choice.... or wait in vesa/nv drives till breeezy comes out....
[12:22] <galorin> guillem101, cdrecord also fails.  I'm calling it by cdrecord dev=/dev/hdc and it seems like cdrecord locks up
[12:22] <bob2> ubotu: neither is better or worse
[12:22] <ubotu> bob2: okay
[12:22] <bob2> bah
[12:22] <yang> i dont like this room
[12:22] <bob2> ubotu: forget neither
[12:22] <gt> arent i on breezy?
[12:22] <ubotu> i forgot neither, bob2
[12:22] <aftertaf> gt:  and read the nvidia faq, it helps a lot
[12:22] <gt> im on breezy
[12:22] <bob2> nvidia on breezy seems kinda broken
[12:22] <_van_> =] ] ] 
[12:22] <aftertaf> gt:  it isnt stable yet......
[12:22] <aftertaf> bob2:  hehe
[12:22] <gt> so they will mkae drivers for breezy that are faster?
[12:22] <Determinist> ok, got my system back to working the way i like it :D
[12:22] <gt> cause when they actually work, and show the 3d screen savers... the ubuntu ones are just slow, not bad
[12:22] <selinium> bob2: so sudo make install;echo /usr/local/lib | sudo tee -a /etc/ld.s.conf;/sbin/ldconfig   then?
[12:22] <bob2> selinium: yes
[12:22] <aftertaf> gt:  i dont know.... i use the nvidia drivers from nvidia, only way i can have accelerated X
[12:22] <gt> so they do work?
[12:22] <gt> jesus i just cant figure out how to instal them
[12:22] <gt> this is enraging
[12:22] <thoreauputic> gt: I suggest you use hoary until breezy is released
[12:22] <aftertaf> gt: my advice, to leave or to follow, is this:
[12:22] <selinium> yang: wgat up?
[12:22] <thoreauputic> gt: you are just making your life harder
[12:22] <selinium> yang: whats up?
[12:22] <aftertaf> gt:  remove the nvidia packages with synaptic, then modify xorg.conf to use vesa, then go to nvidia website and download the driver (read the howTo), then install it.
[12:22] <gt> ok gravy
[12:22] <gt> how do i modify xorg?
[12:22] <nalioth> anyone know what sort of fdisk comes on the installer?
[12:22] <Belutz> gt: /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[12:22] <aftertaf> thx Belutz ;)
[12:23] <Determinist> is there a way to make sudo not ask for a password, as in supply one for it using cmdline from a shortcut? there are afew tools i use often and am tired to keep typing the password all the time
[12:23] <Belutz> aftertaf: no worries mate :)
[12:23] <aftertaf> late for food as it is ;)
[12:23] <thoreauputic> intelikey: why are you on IRC as root?
[12:23] <galorin> Determinist, visudo and edit the definitions there
[12:23] <nalioth> pretty weird, the installer not having a fdisk on it
[12:24] <Determinist> galorin: thanks
[12:24] <gt> ok so when i restart in vesa mode.
[12:24] <gt> will x still be running?
[12:24] <bob2> nalioth: it's a debian-installer module called partman
[12:24] <nalioth> bob2: thanks
[12:24] <intelikey> ok i'm back and i still want to hear it one more time.   is there any way to manually invoke the partitioner on the ub install cd hoary ?
[12:24] <intelikey> thoreauputic i'm not.
[12:24] <gt> is there any way to instal the nvidia drivers while x is on still?
[12:25] <Determinist> intelikey: your host suggests you are...
[12:25] <_van_> is breezy stable enough now to use it on a desktop PC?
[12:25] <bob2> intelikey: boot expert mode, choose the partition option
[12:25] <Determinist> gt: nope, at least not that i know of. what's the issue with closing X tho?
[12:25] <bob2> _van_: apparently not if you care about the nvidia modules
[12:25] <gt> it seems to hang
[12:25] <intelikey> no my irc client suggests i am, because i told it to.
[12:25] <gt> at the screen that looks like dos
[12:25] <thoreauputic> intelikey: could have fooled me... /whois intelikey says you are
[12:25] <Determinist> Seveas: lo mate
[12:25] <gt> shows lots of text and stops at detecting the battery
[12:26] <thoreauputic> intelikey: but whatever
[12:26] <nalioth> intelikey: please return to school
[12:26] <nalioth> intelikey: i can help you now
[12:26] <intelikey> bob2 is there a differance in expert and server-expert ?
[12:26] <smott> okay i have a tangentially related question... where is the backslash on the US keymap?
[12:26] <intelikey> nalioth ?
[12:26] <_van_> bob2, ye i care..but i want to try gnome 2.12, how to install it without upgrading to breezy then?
[12:26] <Determinist> smott: near the right shift button?
[12:26] <Seveas> oi
[12:27] <gt> under the back space key?
[12:27] <nalioth> intelikey: i have the information necessary to help you. return to school please
[12:27] <bob2> intelikey: why don't you try and see?
[12:27] <Determinist> _van_: garnome... and alot of headache
[12:27] <holy_cow> _van_, downlod the live cd
[12:27] <bob2> _van_: just wait
[12:27] <holy_cow> why intall it at all?
[12:27] <bob2> come on folks, no need to get snippy
[12:27] <galorin> hmm looks like it's a HW prob with my cd-burner.  Sometimes it's there, sometimes it's not...   fun
[12:27] <LaserLine> Hello all, I have a slight problem - I have an HP NX9030 laptop that came preinstalled with Windows XP PRO (I have the original cd came with the laptop).
[12:27] <LaserLine> I wiped the drive, and Installed only linux. Now before breezy comes, I want to dual boot XP and Breezy, So I wiped the drive again (killdisc) and when I try to install XP - I recieve a cd key error - because I have 2 letters/numbers wiped from the sticker.... and I can't read them - What can I do ?
[12:27] <intelikey> nalioth ?
[12:27] <holy_cow> *oops* sorry!
[12:27] <_van_> ok, then i i'll just have to wait...
[12:27] <holy_cow> didn't mean for that to be interpreted as sinppy :)
[12:28] <holy_cow> _van_, why wait, download the live cd bro :)
[12:28] <gt> lasere line
[12:28] <gt> call msoft
[12:28] <galorin> LaserLine, guess?
[12:28] <gt> or guess
[12:28] <gt> or get a hammer
[12:28] <gt> and apply it to the cd
[12:28] <_van_> holy_cow,  no :]  it'll be more interesting to wait :)))
[12:28] <holy_cow> _van_, hehe :)
[12:29] <galorin> I prefer gt's last idea.  Very practical.
[12:29] <holy_cow> _van_, indeedy it well, breezy is looking really really great!
[12:29] <smott> Determinist: how am i supposed to produce it though :/
[12:29] <holy_cow> i'm running it on a spare p400 believe it or not
[12:29] <_van_> holy_cow, and there'll be no problems with nvidia on the stable release?
[12:29] <LaserLine> galorin I tried, but It locks up every time.... Isn't there a utility that I can extract the cdkey from the CD itself ?? I know you can extract the cdkey from the registry... but from the CD itself I Can't find any..
[12:29] <holy_cow> its actually very very usable
[12:29] <gt> the hammer application to the cd of course is likelt because someone who comes to an irc chanel knows exactly what to do whena cd key is lost...
[12:30] <holy_cow> van that drives get recompiled for  you, if they don't get recompiled you can always use the debian method of installing them
[12:30] <Determinist> smott: hmm?
[12:31] <smott> Determinist: which keys to press to get the backslash character (this is related to ubuntu in that i cant get it to use my own keymap heh)
[12:31] <holy_cow> bob2, you work for canonical, correct?
[12:31] <Determinist> smott: erm, not sure really...
[12:31] <chickboiec> need help
[12:31] <galorin> LaserLine, to the best of my knowledge, XP uses funky math to come up with the cd keys, so any valid cd key would work.. but I don't know, seeing as I haven't used XP
[12:31] <chickboiec> pm me ? anyone
[12:31] <holy_cow> LaserLine, call ms, they will help you out
[12:31] <galorin> chickboiec, just post it in here
[12:32] <nalioth> chickboiec: ask in channel here where the group mind can think
[12:32] <chickboiec> u see i have the cedega 4.3 and winex how can i use it
[12:32] <gt> i hear applying a handgrenade to any oen who comes to a linux channel to ask about xp helps
[12:32] <holy_cow> LaserLine, that is the correct way of dealing with that
[12:32] <chickboiec> actually i havent install it yet
[12:32] <Seveas> nalioth of borg has spoken :D
[12:32] <chickboiec> couse i loose my root password
[12:32] <bob2> holy_cow: no
[12:32] <nalioth> Seveas: we ARE a collective mind in here
[12:32] <holy_cow> LaserLine, their customer service for that situation is actually quite decent, they usually believe anything you say as long as you say you bought it or whatever
[12:32] <nalioth> Seveas: just not to friendly at times, lol
[12:32] <Belutz> LaserLine: why don't you contact Microsoft?
[12:32] <galorin> chickboiec, that sounds like fun..
[12:32] <LaserLine> Holy_cow, because Thee laptop is HP (I have a balck HP Windows CD) they say HP supports me... but HP says microsoft - I'm in the middle !!!!!! I hate this.
[12:33] <intelikey> and i guess im root......   not.
[12:33] <jeanre> hi all
[12:33] <Seveas> We are the ubuntu, prepare to be assimilated, resistance is futile :D
[12:33] <gt> he wants us to tell him a crack/srial site
[12:33] <gt> thats what this is all about
[12:33] <jeanre> when I try to install php4 on warty I get an error
[12:33] <holy_cow> LaserLine, call back, don't tell them what laptop it is
[12:33] <chickboiec> ask? can i still play ragnarok, warcraft and gunbound using ubuntu?
[12:33] <jeanre>   php4: Depends: libmm13 but it is not installable
[12:33] <holy_cow> LaserLine, oh wait, oem winxp then?
[12:33] <gt> call them and say you are bill gates daughter, and you cant turn your pc on
[12:33] <galorin> Quick question, Anyone in here running the ipw2200 chipset?
[12:33] <holy_cow> LaserLine, well welcome to linux, you wont get that type of runaround here
[12:33] <chickboiec> ask? can i still play ragnarok, warcraft and gunbound using ubuntu?
[12:34] <jeanre> can anyone help me?
[12:34] <LaserLine> Holy_Cow Yes. Black XP CD. "support for this cd provided by XP"
[12:34] <holy_cow> bob2, ah k.  i'll ask my q in a more generic way then
[12:34] <gt> he ment hp i think
[12:34] <jo_e> where are packages cached when apt-get downloads them?
[12:34] <LaserLine> holy_cow I know, I love linux - it's great ! (I don't play so I don't care about 3D graphics)
[12:34] <bob2> holy_cow: (used to)
[12:34] <jeanre> apache installed fine
[12:34] <bob2> jo_e: /var/cache/apt/archives/
[12:34] <LaserLine> holy_cow Is there a way ? HP Support sucks !
[12:34] <thoreauputic> jo_e: /var/cache/apt/archives
[12:35] <holy_cow> LaserLine, if thats the case, buy vmware and run win in that
[12:35] <holy_cow> i do
[12:35] <gt> laser line
[12:35] <jeanre> bob2: any ideas on my issue
[12:35] <gt> heres waht you do
[12:35] <gt> you go to a computer store
[12:35] <bob2> jeanre: you're using broken packages
[12:35] <LaserLine> holy_cow But I bought windows with the laptop
[12:35] <gt> a used pc store
[12:35] <bob2> jeanre: paste /etc/apt/sources.list to #flood
[12:35] <holy_cow> LaserLine, so what?
[12:35] <gt> ask them if youi can look at a copy of xp
[12:35] <gt> and then memorize the key
[12:35] <jo_e> bob2, thoreauputic, thanks
[12:35] <holy_cow> oh wait, you won't be able to run it in vmware either, you still have the same reg problem
[12:36] <chickboiec> i need help help me pls
[12:36] <holy_cow> LaserLine, there is one other alternative
[12:36] <jeanre> bob2: can I pm
[12:36] <jeanre> not going to paste tho
[12:36] <gt> google crackspider
[12:36] <bob2> jeanre: no
[12:36] <gt> they will tell all\
[12:36] <gt> thanks for getting me booted likely
[12:36] <Belutz> chickboiec: you could use wine or cadega to run those games
[12:36] <Gorgonzola> can someone give me a quick outline of what i need to do in ubuntu to swap from one video card to another (swapping from gf2 to gf3) ... do you have to uninstall the old one and then reinstall the new one  somehow like in windows?
[12:36] <bob2> if you want help, you ask in the channel
[12:36] <LaserLine> how_cow and it is ?
[12:36] <chickboiec> wat are the requirements so i can run my onligames here at ubuntu
[12:36] <bob2> if you want private help, my rates are very reasonable
[12:36] <jeanre> bob2: ok The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[12:36] <jeanre>   php4: Depends: libmm13 but it is not installable
[12:36] <jeanre>         Depends: apache-common (>= 1.3.31) but it is not installable
[12:36] <jeanre> E: Broken packages
[12:36] <Seveas> jeanre, DO NOT paste in here
[12:36] <jeanre> but I want apache 2
[12:36] <galorin> chickboiec, in ubuntu, type in sudo su, then type in your normal user password, then type in passwd, which will allow you to change the root password.
[12:36] <bob2> jeanre: stop pasting shit in here
[12:37] <bob2> jeanre: paste your /etc/apt/sources.list to #flood
[12:37] <jeanre> sorry guys
[12:37] <Seveas> jeanre, get libapache2-mod-php4
[12:37] <bob2> Gorgonzola: power down. swap cards. power up.
[12:37] <Gorgonzola> bob2, is it that easy?
[12:37] <holy_cow> LaserLine, there are serial generators for winxp ... the problem is they run in winders.  if you can get access to a winxp install you should be able to generate a new activation code and use that
[12:37] <gt> why is pasteing bad?
[12:37] <bob2> Gorgonzola: yes
[12:37] <Belutz> chickboiec: i don't know about the requiremenst, you could check at http://www.transgaming.com or http://winehq.com
[12:37] <Gorgonzola> bob2, is it because they both use the same nvidia drivers?
[12:37] <bob2> gt: because it makes my screen scroll by, and disrupts everyone else's conversation
[12:37] <bob2> Gorgonzola: yes
[12:37] <LaserLine> holw_cow didn't understand......
[12:37] <Gorgonzola> bob2, sweet! thanks
[12:37] <bob2> Gorgonzola: if they used different drivers, there'd be an extra step
[12:37] <LaserLine> holy_cow I can't install the XP Cd
[12:38] <gt> laser line
[12:38] <Gorgonzola> bob2, for my learning... what step would that be?
[12:38] <gt> im gonn say it one last time cause its what you want to hear
[12:38] <gt> go to liabrary
[12:38] <holy_cow> for any ubuntu devs: i keep on running into debian dd's.  the usualy complaints mostly fall in the 'philosophy differences' category or something along those lines
[12:38] <nalioth> LaserLine: this is not the place for XP troubles
[12:38] <gt> use their pc, or anyones
[12:38] <Belutz> LaserLine: go find a serial key on google, there are plenty
[12:38] <gt> go to google
[12:38] <gt> and google crackspider
[12:38] <holy_cow> the only concern i run into occasionally is about ubuntu devs not submitting patches back to debian
[12:38] <gt> type in xp serial
[12:38] <gt> voila
[12:38] <thoreauputic> gt: this is totally off topic
[12:38] <bob2> Gorgonzola: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg, pick the correct driver
[12:38] <gt> i know
[12:38] <bob2> gt: enough
[12:38] <gt> he wont stop asking
[12:39] <LaserLine> gt, I don't want to hack the CD !!
[12:39] <bob2> LaserLine: we don't care, talk to HP or MS or no one
[12:39] <Seveas> gt, you won't stop avoiding bans
[12:39] <shinu> do all orinoco cards work find with linux?
[12:39] <holy_cow> i have a sneaky suspicion that ubuntu devs do, but its not accepted by debian or something in between the two positions
[12:39] <Gorgonzola> bob2, oh, yes i should have figured that out myself, thanks again :)
[12:39] <bob2> shinu: should do
[12:39] <gt> why if i say something but belutz says i fistrst, i get whined at?
[12:39] <holy_cow> anyone care to editorialize on that?
[12:39] <Seveas> gt, so leave now or be banned again
[12:39] <bob2> holy_cow: "the usualy complaints"?
[12:39] <csirkefog> sziasztok
[12:39] <bob2> gt: drop it
[12:39] <gt> done
[12:39] <holy_cow> LaserLine, *hmmm* hp is y our only source of help then :/
[12:39] <bob2> Gorgonzola: np
[12:40] <holy_cow> bob2, the usual complaints are about ubuntu 'stealing' manpower, and the like, which are unfair critiques
[12:40] <chickboiec> @gorgonzola ?? where im going to put it? on the login?
[12:40] <bob2> holy_cow: I've never heard anyone from Debian say that
[12:40] <bob2> holy_cow: #ubuntu-offtopic, tho
[12:40] <shinu> bob2: alright, cause i saw this orinoco silver on ebay and thought of buying
[12:40] <shinu> :)
[12:41] <gt> ...
[12:41] <nalioth> gt: please be civil
[12:41] <holy_cow> oh ther eis a chan for such things
[12:41] <holy_cow> heh
[12:41] <holy_cow> thx didn't know
[12:41] <chickboiec> gorgonzola can i pm u for a while?
[12:41] <gt> i havent even been talking
[12:41] <bob2> come on folks
[12:41] <Bateau_> any know how i can change the mysql password for cacti?
[12:41] <gt> just listening
[12:41] <bob2> no need to raise the level of annoyingnes
[12:41] <csirkefog> valaki tud magyarul?
[12:41] <mustafu> ........?
[12:41] <nalioth> gt: you've been sent the Code of Conduct, have you read it?
[12:41] <mustafu> I missed something, I s'pose
[12:41] <Seveas> csirkefog, stick to english in here please
[12:41] <osfameron> !hu
[12:41] <ubotu> Not a clue, osfameron
[12:41] <bob2> csirkefog: this is an English-only channel, sorry
[12:41] <csirkefog> ok
[12:41] <osfameron> no hungarian then?
[12:42] <gt> im smart enough to figure it out, its basic internet etiquet im sure
[12:42] <Seveas> osfameron, #ubuntu-hu perhaps
[12:42] <chickboiec> in ubuntu, type in sudo su, then type in your normal user password, then type in passwd, which will allow you to change the root password. where am going 2 type this?
[12:42] <gt> hense me not tlaking anymore
[12:42] <deFrysk> !hu
[12:42] <csirkefog>  /etc/fonts/fonts.conf
[12:42] <csirkefog>  ?????
[12:42] <bob2> osfameron: no
[12:42] <Seveas> chickboiec, nowhere
[12:42] <galorin> chickboiec, launch konsole
[12:42] <Seveas> you'd better not set a root password
[12:42] <chickboiec> launch console
[12:42] <bob2> chickboiec: if you don't know what it means, don't do it
[12:42] <chickboiec> ?
[12:42] <chickboiec> where is it?
[12:42] <galorin> chickboiec, but under ubuntu you don't need the root password
[12:42] <intelikey> bob2 i sure wish you had to see what i'm looking at.       rebooted    typed "expert [return] "   and guess what.     there has not been any change what so ever.   still no chance to partition anything.
[12:42] <galorin> chickboiec, that's what sudo is for
[12:43] <chickboiec> no actually im saving all the things ur saying sa i could give to my brother
[12:43] <bob2> intelikey: awesome
[12:43] <bob2> intelikey: file a bug, ranting on irc will not fix it
[12:43] <intelikey> yeah tell me about it  :)
[12:43] <gt> did anyone have any idea why i had to deactivate then activate my etho each time i reboot?
[12:43] <galorin> chickboiec, better to put him on than try to explain..
[12:44] <messiahs> i've a question
[12:44] <chickboiec> ah ok
[12:44] <Seveas> messiahs, then you're at the right place
[12:44] <Red_Bullet> please help me
[12:44] <galorin> chickboiec, that way he can try things as we're talking
[12:44] <intelikey> ok but let me finnish my rant first.      any install/boot disk should have fdisk on it.    there now i'm finnished.
[12:44] <chickboiec> anyway > youll be seeing me for a while
[12:44] <bob2> Red_Bullet: you need to actually ask a question first
[12:44] <nalioth> Red_Bullet: dont start whining already. ask your question
[12:44] <Red_Bullet> when i start eggdrop it tell not found config file
[12:44] <chickboiec> i have 2 fix dis 1 >> theres a raid going here at our country and im avoiding it
[12:44] <Red_Bullet> Eggdrop v1.6.17 (C) 1997 Robey Pointer (C) 2004 Eggheads
[12:44] <Red_Bullet> [13:27]  --- Loading eggdrop v1.6.17 (Thu Sep 15 2005)
[12:44] <Red_Bullet> [13:27]  * CONFIG FILE NOT LOADED (NOT FOUND, OR ERROR)
[12:45] <nalioth> intelikey: your disc is non standard
[12:45] <Seveas> Red_Bullet, then create the config
[12:45] <nalioth> Red_Bullet: please dont paste in here
[12:45] <deFrysk> Red_Bullet, stop flooding please
[12:45] <Red_Bullet> sorry
[12:45] <Seveas> read the manual to find out how, this is not an eggdrop support channel
[12:45] <Red_Bullet> sorry mans
[12:45] <thoreauputic> Red_Bullet: you have been here long enough to know better than to paste
[12:45] <intelikey> it was mailed from the ub site nalioth
[12:45] <gt> maybe he has some kind of laptop specific type thing, like its specific for one purpose, and its non standard due to this
[12:45] <gt> where did he get the cd?
[12:45] <gt> burn a new one
[12:45] <gt> if you can
[12:45] <nalioth> intelikey: a lot of those discs were not pressed correctly
[12:46] <Red_Bullet> how to create conf file
[12:46] <Red_Bullet> for eggdrop
[12:46] <Seveas> read the manual to find out how, this is not an eggdrop support channel
[12:46] <intelikey> gt dialup
[12:46] <Red_Bullet> where is eggdrop chanel
[12:46] <bob2> Red_Bullet: #eggdrop
[12:47] <chickboiec> how can i install Irc at ubuntu anyone know how? im using xp2 right now and dont know how 2 add new software at ubuntu?
[12:47] <robzon> hey
[12:47] <intelikey> let me ask one thing more does anyone know which step the partitioner is supposed to start in ?
[12:47] <deFrysk> chickboiec, irc is already available in ubuntu
[12:47] <Belutz> chickboiec: XChat is installed by default
[12:47] <chickboiec> i have here 2 cd
[12:47] <Seveas> chickboiec, there's an irc client installed by default
[12:47] <chickboiec> ok
[12:48] <chickboiec> ill change 2 ubuntu brb
[12:48] <Red_Bullet> ima li bulgari
[12:48] <chicken-man> Hi every one :-P
[12:48] <bitje> funny name ;)
[12:48] <deFrysk> Red_Bullet, english please
[12:48] <Red_Bullet> sorry i ask for Bulgarians
[12:48] <robzon> I've inserted Ubuntu 5.10 CD and it asked me if I want to upgrade.. I've chosen open package manager, but later decided I want Ubuntu to do the dirty work.. the problem is that, when I re-insert CD it deosn't ask me what I wanna do anymore... is there a way to make Ubuntu forget that I've already answered his question?
[12:48] <bob2> Red_Bullet: this is not a social channel, sorry
[12:52] <[psycho] DD> Hi
[12:52] <robzon> ok, nevermind, I've got it :) (just remove the 5.10 CDs from /var/lib/apt/cdroms.list in case anyone wants to know...)
[12:52] <ghostdog> where can i get themes for ubunto
[12:52] <ghostdog> ?
[12:52] <intelikey> can someone that has a "good" install cd, please boot it in something and start expert and tell me when it asks about partitioning ?   so i can be more specific about the bug.
[12:52] <nalioth> ghostdog: www.deviantart.com www.gnome-look.org
[12:52] <intelikey> you don't have to install....
[12:53] <thoreauputic> ghostdog: sudo apt-get install gnome-themes-extras
[12:53] <[psycho] DD> Can some help me with this error? Isolinux: Disk error 01, AX + 42DB,9
[12:53] <bob2> sounds like the disk is broken
[12:53] <ghostdog> can thanks man
[12:53] <[psycho] DD> Disk is working on this pc but not on the one i want to install
[12:54] <mdke> i need a new version of ndiswrapper. does anyone know if it is backported?
[12:54] <bob2> perhaps the cd drive is broken
[12:54] <mdke> if so, where can I download a deb?
[12:54] <thoreauputic> ghostdog: that package is in "universe" BTW
[12:57] <[psycho] DD> Cd drive is working with windows install cd
[12:57] <dmoyne> Hello ! ; can we safely try to upgrage to "Breezy" ?
[12:57] <deFrysk> dmoyne, about oct13 for sure
[12:58] <dmoyne>  deFrysk : thanks I'll be waiting for final release !
[12:58] <shinu> do ipod work fine under ubuntu?
[12:58] <dmoyne> Has anybody installed all users under LDAP ?
[12:58] <shinu> are they just like an sda device?
[12:59] <deFrysk> shinu, ipodder you mean ? works fine in breezy
[12:59] <mjr> shinu, should be, but I haven't tried one personally
[12:59] <shinu> deFrysk: ippoder?
[12:59] <shinu> mjr: alright cool
[12:59] <deFrysk> shinu, the podcast receiver
[12:59] <shinu> deFrysk: oh... ^^'
[01:00] <intelikey> so where is it on the site that you can report a bug ?
[01:00] <deFrysk> intelikey, /topic
[01:00] <mdke> intelikey, bugzilla.ubuntu.com
[01:00] <thoreauputic> intelikey:  /topic
[01:00] <intelikey> ty
[01:01] <intelikey> i didn't think about it being in the topic.    and this is not xchat.
[01:02] <thoreauputic> intelikey: umm - just type /topic in irssi - what are you using?
[01:02] <intelikey> ~~bx
[01:02] <f00li5h> so where does one have to look for a mysql package? i've tried universe and multiverse
[01:02] <thoreauputic> ah of course :/
[01:02] <f00li5h> thoreauputic: meow
[01:03] <intelikey> that command works i was just stating that it is not stairing me in the face like it would be in xchat.
[01:04] <deFrysk> intelikey, you asked we answered
[01:04] <deFrysk> the answer was correct
[01:04] <Belutz> f00li5h: mysql is in hoary repo i guess
[01:04] <f00li5h> repo?
[01:04] <Belutz> f00li5h: repositories
[01:04] <mjr> are there hoary acroread 7 packages somewhere, or do the breezy packages install on hoary?
[01:04] <reiki> I've been reading stuff about Evolution now being NOVELL Evolution and will no longer be free. Should I be looking for a new email client?
[01:05] <mjr> reiki, you shouldn't
[01:05] <brownie17> can someone help me with this? i have a very meagre guide on how to compile a program i want, but i do not understand. http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2202
[01:05] <mjr> it is Novell Evolution nowadays, but Novell has actually made it _more_ free
[01:05] <deFrysk> mjr, try evince iso acroread , you might like it :)
[01:05] <f00li5h> Belutz: which ones?
[01:05] <[psycho] DD> Disk error 01, AX = 42DB,9F <----- somebody an idea? CD is working on other pc and de cdrom drive works fine with windows boot cd
[01:05] <mjr> (before Novell, the exchange plugin was non-free, but novell released that as free software also)
[01:05] <reiki> mjr: more free than... free?  interesting :)
[01:06] <mjr> reiki, see above :)
[01:06] <thoreauputic> reiki: novell are pretty enthusiastic about OSS AFAICS
[01:06] <_van_> mozilla's thunderbird is a very nice email client :)
[01:06] <Belutz> f00li5h: hoary main restricted
[01:06] <f00li5h> Belutz: got them.
[01:06] <mjr> deFrysk, yah, for my use I do so like Evince, but I'm putting together an ubuntu-based distro for my work, and we, sadly, need acroread to be in it
[01:07] <Belutz> f00li5h: great :)
[01:07] <wordyfellow> greetings all
[01:07] <reiki> thoreauputic, mjr, ok... I'll keep Evolution. I had thought of switching to Thunderbird but I kinda like Evolution
[01:07] <pipoun> hi
[01:07] <f00li5h> but no mysql
[01:07] <Determinist> _van_: indeed it is. very soothing and simple. no excessive features nobody needs :)
[01:07] <f00li5h> is it called somethign silly?
[01:07] <Belutz> mjr: you could find acroread in multiverse repositories i guess
[01:07] <_van_> yep :)
[01:07] <Hoxzer> is it possible to run Word 2003 with wine in linux?
[01:07] <brownie17> does anybody know how to compile a basic program? hlep would be very much appreciated
[01:07] <Hoxzer> just want to spell check things
[01:07] <selinium> sorry bob2 had to pop out, did you answer?
[01:07] <pipoun> there's smhting that I can't understand. I've just installed gcc, but when I type gcc in a shell there a command not found error
[01:07] <aftertaf> Hoxzer:  hehe yeah apt-get install openoffice ;)
[01:07] <mjr> Belutz, indeed, but for hoary only 5.x. I could probably repackage the breezy one, was just wondering if anyone'd done it already
[01:07] <selinium> bob2: so sudo make install;echo /usr/local/lib | sudo tee -a /etc/ld.s.conf;/sbin/ldconfig   then?
[01:07] <brownie17> hoxzer openoffice has .doc support and spellcheckers
[01:07] <deFrysk> mjr, /me thinks its in extras
[01:08] <thoreauputic> Hoxzer: OO.0 has spell check
[01:08] <pipoun> and above all I used to think that gcc were install with ubuntu
[01:08] <reiki> _van_: I used Thunderbird in XP.. but I pull mail to local spool for filtering reasns and Thunderbird wants you to stand on your head to read from local spool
[01:08] <deFrysk> extras of hoary that is
[01:08] <reiki> :)
[01:08] <Belutz> mjr: try form the backports, i got acroread 7 installed
[01:08] <mjr> deFrysk, Belutz, thanks, I'll check it out
[01:08] <_van_> ahh, didn't knew that :)
[01:08] <Determinist> too bad debian doesnt have the same services structure redhat does... e.g. service <name> on/off/restart etc...
[01:08] <wordyfellow> has anyone had experience with getting a wireless card to run under Ubuntu?  I am using latest Ubuntu release and the card is lynksyswmp54gs.
[01:08] <aftertaf> Determinist:  it does....
[01:08] <deFrysk> Determinist, other way around ;)
[01:09] <Determinist> aftertaf: /etc/init.d/... i know of :)
[01:09] <thoreauputic> Determinist: invoke-rc.d <service> start|stop etc
[01:09] <Determinist> and a list of running services?
[01:09] <brownie17> does anybody know how to compile a basic program? Help would be very much appreciated
[01:09] <f00li5h> Belutz: it is there, but it complains that it needs perl dbi
[01:10] <aftertaf> brownie17:  tarball you downloaded?
[01:10] <nalioth> brownie17: lets go to #ubuntu-offtopic
[01:10] <brownie17> aftertaf: um.. it was a .zip
[01:10] <brownie17> nalioth: ok
[01:10] <jonphilpott> anyone here running ubuntu on a centrino laptop?
[01:10] <deFrysk> brownie17, ./configure ; make ; sudo make install
[01:10] <Determinist> thoreauputic: see, back when i used fedora i had that little services tool that i could use to see what my system loads by default and i remmember it used to load alot of stuff i didnt need or want loaded. i dont have that kind of tool under ubuntu
[01:10] <Hoxzer> Browniel7: in openoffice finnish spell check isn't that good :D
[01:10] <Belutz> f00li5h: are you using synaptics or console?
[01:10] <Hoxzer> and it doesn't correct full sentences
[01:10] <thoreauputic> !bum
[01:10] <ubotu> rumour has it, bum is a graphical BootUp Manager; see http://www.marzocca.net/linux/bum.html
[01:10] <thoreauputic> Determinist: ^^^
[01:11] <selinium> thoreauputic, cant get this 'sudo make install;echo /usr/local/lib | sudo tee -a /etc/ld.s.conf;/sbin/ldconfig' to work cant write the file. any ideas?
[01:11] <f00li5h> Belutz: console
[01:11] <jonphilpott> im running it on one, i booted up running on battery so cpu went down to 600mhz, now im plugged in and its still running at 600mhz, any idea how i get it to go back to 1.6ghz?
[01:11] <Belutz> jonphilpott: i'm running ubuntu on centrino laptop
[01:11] <Determinist> thoreauputic: again, i'm talking about something that'll show me all available services and allow me to pick which ones are to be loaded.
[01:11] <Belutz> f00li5h: are you going to install the mysql server?
[01:11] <jonphilpott> i figured it was supposed to do it automagicly
[01:11] <thoreauputic> Determinist: that's what BUM appears to be
[01:12] <Determinist> thoreauputic: alright, gonna check, thanks
[01:12] <f00li5h> Belutz: yes, that was my hope
[01:12] <Belutz> jonphilpott: it will go back to 1.6ghz when needed :)
[01:12] <thoreauputic> OK :)
[01:12] <jonphilpott> Belutz: its not doing so, and its spinning down the hard disk, etc
[01:12] <Belutz> f00li5h: try this: sudo apt-get install mysql-server
[01:12] <Belutz> f00li5h: it will automatically installed all the dependencies
[01:12] <jonphilpott> Belutz: i'd prefer it to run full speed when plugged in, any idea where this is configured?
[01:13] <selinium> I get '/sbin/ldconfig: Can't create temporary cache file /etc/ld.so.cache~: Permission denied' when i try and run 'sudo make install;echo /usr/local/lib>>/etc/ld.so.conf;/sbin/ldconfig' Can anyone help?
[01:13] <f00li5h> Belutz: nope
[01:13] <f00li5h>   mysql-server: Depends: mysql-client (>= 4.0.23-3ubuntu2.1)
[01:13] <f00li5h>                 Depends: libdbi-perl but it is not installable
[01:13] <Belutz> jonphilpott: hmm, i don't know about that, but i prefer my laptop not running full speed to reduce heat
[01:13] <er4z0r> re
[01:13] <thoreauputic> Determinist: btw I believe gnome 2.12 includes a boot up manager
[01:13] <f00li5h> Belutz: would it help if i pm-spammed you with my sources.list?
[01:14] <er4z0r> can anybody help me with clamav under Breezy?
[01:14] <Belutz> f00li5h: paste your sources.list to me in pm
[01:14] <er4z0r> I just can't figure out how to start clamd
[01:15] <nubeeUserofLinux> to all, can somebody help me, i want to have a manual of ubuntu, where can i download one in pdf form?
[01:15] <Determinist> thoreauputic: that's very nice actually... thanks
[01:16] <thoreauputic> Determinist: no worries :)
[01:16] <Determinist> :)
[01:16] <intelikey> well i'm not in the mood to regester with ub. so no bug report.    good night guys.
[01:17] <selinium> Cananyone help, I am installing wine from the cvs and losing the will to live!
[01:17] <wordyfellow> exit
[01:18] <er4z0r> not anybody using clamav here?
[01:20] <nalioth> wtf is goin on here
[01:20] <selinium> nalioth, ?
[01:20] <spiral> hi
[01:20] <crtr> What was the command to see kernel version..?
[01:20] <nalioth> blasted bot swarm
[01:21] <Belutz> f00li5h: :)
[01:23] <Determinist> i do have to admit, openoffice is a very nice suite of office applications. i really didnt expect it to be that good. it can actually read .doc and .xls files. just hope MS opens up their fileformats so that oo can read them better
[01:23] <f00li5h> Determinist: open office is more compatible with microsoft documents than microsoft is!
[01:24] <Determinist> lol
[01:24] <Determinist> backwards compatible, i'm sure.
[01:24] <f00li5h> yes, it is that
[01:24] <Determinist> that doesnt surprise me.
[01:25] <Belutz> i just hope there's an app that can open vsd files
[01:25] <Determinist> http://www.microsuck.com , give that a read
[01:25] <f00li5h_|> hrm
[01:25] <Determinist> vsd?
[01:25] <Belutz> visio files
[01:25] <Determinist> never used visio... is that some project manager thing?
[01:26] <Belutz> its a program to draw diagram
[01:26] <Belutz> like Dia in linux
[01:26] <selinium> thoreauputic, has you ever compiled form cvs?
[01:26] <Determinist> i see
[01:26] <selinium> *fron
[01:26] <selinium> *from doh!
[01:27] <Determinist> i'm hungry
[01:27] <Determinist> gonna go hunt
[01:27] <thoreauputic> selinium: no sorry
[01:27] <Determinist> in the fridge
[01:28] <Belutz> Determinist: could pass me one?
[01:28] <intelikey> for future reference, i think i have found it.    ub seems to not be able to load all the installer componants in 32m of ram.   it claims to be able to run on 24 but the installer does not load propperly.
[01:28] <intelikey> though someone might want to know.
[01:29] <aftertaf_> after you Belutz  ;)
[01:29] <Determinist> toke?
[01:29] <othomas> lol
[01:30] <Determinist> i think i'm gonna write my own gdesklets applet :P
[01:30] <Determinist> just gotta learn what python is like tho , heh
[01:31] <Gorgonzola> I have a MS Explorer mouse (or whatever its called) which has one button on each SIDE of the mouse as well as the standard 2buttons+wheel on top... how do i activate the side buttons (im used to using them in firefox as forward/back buttons in windows)
[01:31] <Belutz> Determinist: could you hack the apt-get so i could apt-get pizza ? :D
[01:31] <Determinist> i keep hearing about the thing, just never managed to get to it
[01:31] <Determinist> Gorgonzola: just a sec, i'll get you a link
[01:31] <Gorgonzola> Determinist, thanks mate
[01:32] <yahalom> anyone using fglrx on breezy?
[01:32] <Determinist> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=36653 <--- very simple tweak, worked for my microsoft wireless mouse
[01:32] <Determinist> Gorgonzola: and you're most welcome mate :)
[01:32] <Gorgonzola> Determinist, thanks again
[01:33] <Gorgonzola> I never realised how much I used these buttons while browsing the web untill they weren't there :)
[01:33] <yahalom> u guys must be aussies
[01:33] <ompaul> yahalom, who are you calling an ozzie?
[01:33] <ompaul> :-)
[01:34] <yahalom> ;)
[01:34] <Gorgonzola> sure am :)
[01:34] <Determinist> actually, i'm from israel, just been around too many brits and aussies the last couple of years lol
[01:34] <Gorgonzola> hehe
[01:34] <bimberi> er4z0r: probably "sudo etc/init.d/clamav-daemon start" (if you're still there :P)
[01:34] <Determinist> still havent figured out what sod means tho :/
[01:35] <selinium> bob2: sudo make install;echo /usr/local/lib | sudo tee -a /etc/ld.s.conf;/sbin/ldconfig failed with the same error
[01:35] <yahalom> Determinist: ZAxisMapping" is that  the option for the side buttons
[01:35] <bob2> selinium: so don't do it
[01:35] <bob2> duh
[01:35] <yahalom> Determinist: sod=dafuk
[01:36] <Determinist> yahalom: :)
[01:36] <selinium> bob2: lol, it still cant write to the file. Do you have any further suggestions?
[01:36] <Determinist> yahalom: erm, actually, buttons "7" is the option for the extra buttons
[01:36] <bob2> selinium: "it" = "sudo make install"?
[01:36] <yahalom> =:)
[01:37] <yahalom> Determinist: so what's ZAxisMapping?
[01:37] <Determinist> yahalom: something to do with the scrollwheel i'll assume
[01:37] <selinium> bob2: what not install wine or not do the sudo make bit?
[01:37] <bob2> selinium: so
[01:37] <bob2> selinium: you have a whole line of commands
[01:38] <bob2> selinium: which one is actully failing?
[01:38] <tryto> hello everybody
[01:38] <Determinist> yahalom: an israeli i take it, but not using a local ISP, where you at mate?
[01:38] <wordyfellow> hi
[01:39] <tryto> can some onne help me
[01:39] <tryto> I'm new to ubuntu and Linux
[01:39] <Determinist> tryto: can try... ask a question
[01:39] <carthik> ask, unless it is about asking
[01:39] <tryto> thanks... I already installed ubuntu at my pc
[01:39] <hussam> I upgraded my kubuntu to breezy today. It's working brilliantly. but I get this error at boot:
[01:39] <hussam> 8139cp: pci dev 0000:02:02.0 (id 10ec:8139 rev 10) is not an 8139C+ compatible chip
[01:39] <hussam> 8139cp: Try the "8139too" driver instead.
[01:39] <ompaul> !tell tryto about ask
[01:39] <tryto> no problem on d installation process
[01:40] <Determinist> hussam: realtek NIC?
[01:40] <tryto> but after restart my pc hangs
[01:40] <hussam> Determinist: yes
[01:40] <sunyata> :-D
[01:40] <spola> rhtymbox segfaults when i start it ! what should i do? i can get juk to work either, i need a jukebox!
[01:40] <Determinist> hussam: i think i saw something about that on the ubuntuforums
[01:40] <selinium> bob2: Sorry, i keyed them all as is. in one line.
[01:40] <tryto> its says... starting hotplug subsystem....
[01:40] <bob2> selinium: ...
[01:40] <bob2> selinium: so see which one actually fails
[01:41] <hussam> Determinist: can I have a link to it?
[01:41] <carthik> tryto, use ctrl+c to have it not start hotplug
[01:41] <carthik> when it says starting hotplug... use ctrl+c to get out
[01:41] <tryto> k... try it now...
[01:41] <selinium> bob2: now the sudo make install is failing because mkdir: cannot create directory `/usr/local/man': File exists
[01:41] <bob2> selinium: there you go
[01:41] <bob2> the install script is broken then
[01:41] <Determinist> hussam: www.ubuntuforums.org , use the search function with realtek 8139 , it should find you enough threads or look at the customization tips and tricks ... it has good howtos
[01:42] <hussam> Determinist: this error wasn't in hoary
[01:42] <Determinist> hussam: erm, you using breezy?
[01:43] <hussam> Determinist: just upgraded an hour ago
[01:43] <carthik> tryto: looks like there is some reason why hotplug load is failing, search the forums, and the ubuntu-users mailing list archives for leads to start figuring out why... also for support over email from other users, use the ubuntu-users mailing list
[01:43] <Gorgonzola> Control+ALT+Backspace restarts  X doesn't it?
[01:43] <carthik> Gorgonzola, yes
[01:43] <[psycho] DD> Can someone tell me how to boot from scsi cd-rom drive?
[01:43] <Determinist> hussam: not sure then. perhaps some driver getting fubared on the upgrade process... still, should be the same alltogether as the driver is hardly new
[01:43] <Gorgonzola> hmm, might restart it later when i don't have so much work open :)
[01:44] <tryto> when do i need to press crtl+c???
[01:44] <carthik> [psycho] DD, update the system bios to boot from that drive
[01:44] <[psycho] DD> ill have a look @ it thx
[01:44] <Determinist> tryto: when it says stuff about hotplug
[01:44] <selinium> bob2: I think I have messed it all up myself running and re-running make install. If i just delete the folder I can start again right?
[01:45] <tryto> buy may pc hangs during that time
[01:45] <hussam> Determinist: the error says I should use "8139too" driver instead, how do I do that?
[01:45] <tryto> i cannot use my kaeyboard
[01:45] <bob2> selinium: ok
[01:46] <nalioth> selinium: i wouldnt delete your man directory
[01:46] <nalioth> selinium: you'll lose all your man pages
[01:46] <selinium> cheers nalioth
[01:46] <bob2> wtf
[01:46] <bob2> that's crap
[01:47] <bob2> lrwxrwxrwx  1 root staff 9 2004-12-05 16:55 /usr/local/man -> share/man
[01:47] <bob2> a) symlink
[01:47] <Determinist> hussam: i'm not really sure, perhaps should ask bob or seveas
[01:47] <bob2> b) ubuntu packages don't put manpages in /usr/local/ anyway
[01:47] <nalioth> i'm not as smart as you bob2. just tryin to look out for folks
[01:47] <carthik> tryto: http://lists.ubuntulinux.org/archives/ubuntu-users/2005-March/028076.html should help - a simple google search lead me to that and many other pages
[01:48] <Bateau_> is there a way to run the crontab without waiting for the timeinterval thingy?
[01:48] <[psycho] DD> Not gonna work its controlled by a scsi card from isa slot
[01:48] <selinium> bob2: so do i or dont i? :) Sorry for being such a pain, I am really grateful!
[01:48] <carthik> Bateau_, just run the command from the terminal!
[01:48] <bob2> nalioth: I'm not ripping on you, sorry
[01:48] <nalioth> selinium: do a "file /usr/local/man" and see what it is
[01:49] <nalioth> selinium: if its a link, trash it
[01:49] <Bateau_> carthik: no i cant :P
[01:49] <tryto> carthik: thanks man
[01:49] <carthik> Bateau_, why cant you, what command is it?
[01:49] <[psycho] DD> Are there ubuntu boot floppys?
[01:49] <carthik> try cd to the dir that contains the executable and then sh ./name-of-exeutable ?
[01:49] <Pyf> my ps2 keyboard keeps on just randomly stopping working..... is there a way to reset it to get it work again, its becoming annoying rebooting all the time.....
[01:50] <chicken-man> Pyf, get a USB keyboard :-)
[01:50] <carthik> Pyf does restarting x fix it - ctrl+alt+backspace ? or maybe the keybd is broken?
[01:50] <hussam> bob2: I'm getting this error when I boot to breezy: 8139cp: pci dev 0000:02:02.0 (id 10ec:8139 rev 10) is not an 8139C+ compatible chip , 8139cp: Try the "8139too" driver instead. how would I fix that?
[01:50] <bob2> [psycho] DD: no
[01:50] <bob2> hussam: file a bug
[01:50] <bob2> hussam: including the error and the output of lspci
[01:51] <hussam> bob2: ok
[01:51] <Bateau_> carthik:  oki, i installed cacti. a status thingy to watch servers. and i want it to run the status query right away, instead of waiting the 10 mins for it :P
[01:51] <tryto> carthik: but i'm not using live cd
[01:51] <Bateau_> carthik: it is a web based thing
[01:51] <[psycho] DD> well then ill need to boot using floppy and then activating scsi cd-rom drive might work
[01:51] <carthik> Bateau_, so whatever the command is, as it is in the crontab, run it from the command line...
[01:52] <Pyf> carthik the lights and everything have turned off, like caps lock.... ive tried unplugging it and plugging it in again, to no effect.... i dont think its broken, its worked find up to now....
[01:52] <carthik> tryto, does it not help at all, in any way? i found a a few other results too, when i search for "hangs on hotplug startup ubuntuforums"
[01:52] <Determinist> bob2: how does one replace a driver for a network card really? i mean, with GFX it's just altering xorg.conf, but where would the driver for a network card be configured?
[01:52] <Bateau_> how can i see the crontab of other users?
[01:53] <bob2> Determinist: it's not, really
[01:53] <bob2> Determinist: the kernel more or less looks up the pci ID at boot and then loads the right module for it
[01:53] <tryto> okay i just search d web...
[01:53] <Determinist> bob2: ok, so altering the modules file should do it?
[01:53] <harrytuttle> Determinist: you put it in /etc/modules so it is loaded before hotplug, then you blacklist the wrong module in /etc/otplug/blacklist.d/
[01:54] <bob2> Determinist: no
[01:54] <bob2> hussam: in the short term, adding "8139too" to /etc/modules would fix it
[01:54] <bob2> Determinist: oh, you mean for hussam? yes.
[01:55] <Determinist> bob2: yes, of course, but was wondering for general knowledge. i realize i have no understanding of the way the system manages hardware drivers
[01:55] <bob2> ah
[01:55] <bob2> Determinist: hot plug basically does all of it by looking at the hardware ids and then finding it in a big list the maps id to module name
[01:56] <hussam> bob2: won't adding this to /etc/modules load both drivers?
[01:56] <Determinist> bob2: so basically a pool of available drivers VS the hardware IDs pulled by hotplug which then loads the driver?
[01:56] <Determinist> hussam: not sure mate, but my common sense says that you need to comment out the other driver
[01:57] <bob2> hussam: the wrong one will fail
[01:57] <bob2> Determinist: right
[01:57] <hussam> Determinist: the other on isn't listed in /etc/modules
[01:57] <Determinist> bob2: shouldnt he be able to see something in dmesg about a failing network card driver?
[01:57] <hussam> Determinist I mean te old one
[01:57] <Determinist> hussam: see what harrytuttle said afew lines ago
[01:57] <bob2> Determinist: he/she did
[01:58] <Determinist> ok, i think i understand at least something now :)
[01:58] <Determinist> thanks bob
[01:59] <jeanre> hi again all
[01:59] <jeanre> sorry bout earlier
[01:59] <jeanre> I just installed k3b
[01:59] <jeanre> it runs and says creating GUI
[01:59] <jeanre> then stalls
[01:59] <hussam> bob2: how is the old driver loading? is hotplug detecting the hardware on every boot and loading the driver?
[01:59] <Determinist> bob2: another question. i know it may not be the right place and still... why doesnt linux support hardware in a more user visible way, somewhat like the infamous device manager under windows?
[02:00] <TMM> hey all
[02:00] <bob2> hussam: yes, it seems to be using the wrong driver
[02:00] <Determinist> lo TMM
[02:00] <bob2> Determinist: no one implemented it
[02:00] <njan> Determinist, good question, but it's a distribution question, and not a question about linux - the short answer is, some distributions do, but it's always as a front end to what's actually going on in userspace and the kernel.
[02:00] <TMM> is it semi-safe to upgrade to breezy? I'm bored and I want to see what's new and shiny :) but I also need my laptop to keep working afterwards :)
[02:00] <jeanre> anyone got Idead
[02:00] <Determinist> bob2 and njan: thanks
[02:00] <njan> Determinist, and if ubuntu doesn't do it, like bob2 says, that's because no-one implemented it, there's no reason there can't be a GUI for it like there is (to some extent) in SuSE/mandrake.
[02:00] <aftertaf> TMM:  lol
[02:00] <bob2> Determinist: and because linux tends to have centralised hardware support; the vast majority of hardware (module wirless, I guess) is supposrted by the mainline kernel
[02:01] <njan> Determinist, part of the probelm is, generally (again, as bob2's just said), stuff is supported in the kernel, so either hardware works or it doesn't and you need to dig under the hood anyway - an interface wouldn't really do much aside look pretty
[02:01] <poffy0> Hello everyone. I have a question. When I load up Hoary and from the Live CD will it mount the harddrive in my computer?
[02:01] <aftertaf> TMM:  depends on whether you're lucky... and if you aren't, you can file a bug ;)
[02:01] <TMM> ah, it's one of those deals
[02:01] <TMM> :)
[02:01] <njan> poffy0, no,it'll create entries for it in /etc/fstab, but you'll have to manually mount it yourself.
[02:01] <TMM> I just hoped someone would say something along the lines of "probably"
[02:02] <aftertaf> TMM:  no guarantees till 5.10 :D
[02:02] <poffy0> Once I mount it, can I write to it and execute from it?
[02:02] <bob2> if you don't us proprietary display drivers, you should be fine
[02:02] <jeanre> everything hangs on my machine
[02:02] <bob2> if you care about nvidia, you may be boned
[02:02] <aftertaf> TMM:  but i'm praying it is stable enough to let me boot my pc at home tonight ;)
[02:02] <njan> poffy0, depends on the filing system
[02:02] <TMM> aftertaf, ghehehe
[02:02] <Determinist> bob2: as far as i understand it, with windows the hardware drivers are loaded very low together with the kernel, does linux work the same?
[02:02] <njan> poffy0, if it's fat32 or something linux supports (ext2/3, jfs, xfs, etc), then yes.
[02:02] <bob2> Determinist: yes
[02:02] <poffy0> njan: +HFS?
[02:02] <TMM> a well, I have a sperate /home anyway... might as well try it and reinstall if it fails
[02:02] <njan> poffy0, if it's ntfs, you can read from it, but write support isn't safe.
[02:03] <TMM> but, I doubt it will if there's a pre release out
[02:03] <aftertaf> bob2:  is that the nvidia own drivers or the ones in repos ?
[02:03] <njan> Determinist, yes and no. THe drivers fundamentally do the same thing, but the way in which they're treated and distributed are fundamentally different.
[02:03] <bob2> Determinist: the issue is more that for windows, random manufacturers distribute their own kernels, for linux, it's almost always linus
[02:03] <bob2> aftertaf: either, it seems
[02:03] <harrytuttle> Determinist: depends on the driver. printer drivers and scanner drivers are very far from the kernel
[02:03] <Determinist> njan: so the hardware drivers management system needs to become more modular and be seperated from the kernel, if i understand what you just said correctly.
[02:03] <aftertaf> bob2:  oh crap :D
[02:03] <njan> Determinist, as bob2 points out, drivers in iwndows are much more commonly distributed by vendors
[02:03] <bob2> Determinist: another interesting point is that linux distributions tend to come out a lot more often than windows releases
[02:03] <njan> Determinist, not really; the linux driver model is great, but because there are fewer poor-quality third-party drivers for it, there's less need for an interface to manage all those drivers.
[02:03] <jeanre> any ideas guys?
[02:03] <bob2> Determinist: so it's more feasible to just dsitribute new drivers with a new version of the OS
[02:04] <njan> Determinist, third party drivers in windows are a serious problem, and they're a major cause of crashes and instability.
[02:04] <jeanre> even when I want to change my desktop background the applet crashes
[02:04] <Determinist> i never thought about it that way, actually :)
[02:04] <bob2> that sounds like your hardware is screwed
[02:04] <bob2> Linux is pretty strict about what goes in the kernel
[02:05] <TMM> well, linus is :)
[02:05] <bob2> new drivers don't go in unless thy're actually written properly
[02:05] <njan> Determinist, windows 2000 DataCenter does 99.999% uptime vs. 99.9% for windows 2000 advanced server
[02:05] <bob2> er, yeah
[02:05] <njan> Determinist, and the prime reason for that is that it doesn't allow unsigned device drivers.
[02:05] <jeanre> bob2: I doubt it its only some apps that crash
[02:05] <njan> Determinist, and generally unsigned device drivers are unsigned because:
[02:05] <TMM> bob2, that's not exactly true... as linus once put it: "Crappy hardware will have crappy drivers"
[02:05] <Determinist> njan: i see
[02:05] <njan> 1) they're shit and microsoft rejected them (in which case you don't want them)
[02:05] <njan> or
[02:05] <njan> 2) they were never submitted for testing in the first place (in which case you don't want them)
[02:05] <njan> the microsoft driver testing process is actually quite thorough.
[02:05] <selinium> bob2:I got it to work! Thankyou so much for all your help. I really wish i didn't have to install it in the first place.  Your a star!
[02:06] <ColonelKernel> jeanre, you need to run memtest, and if you pass you need to check out your CPU temperatures
[02:06] <nalioth_zZz> selinium: what was it?
[02:06] <harrytuttle> njan: doesn't signing the driver from microsoft cost quite a bit? there could be a decently written driver but no cash to sign it
[02:06] <TMM> njan, the only testing that goes at microsoft for the drivers is that there are no DRM holes when they stamp on their cryptographic seal of approval, it has nothing to do with stability at all
[02:06] <njan> harrytuttle, there could, but in practice, most of the unsigned drivers are terrible.
[02:06] <jeanre> ColonelKernel: its only certain apps I can not open I think my gnome is broken
[02:06] <njan> TMM, that's just not correct.
[02:07] <yahalom> any plans to update xfce4 in the repos?
[02:07] <ColonelKernel> jeanre, ubuntu hoary gnome?
[02:07] <jeanre> mplayer fails
[02:07] <jeanre> and so does k3b
[02:07] <jeanre> warty
[02:07] <jeanre> firefox opens fine
[02:07] <selinium> nalioth_zZz, the man link was fubar, and i was trying to key three commands at once, badly!
[02:07] <ompaul> yahalom, are you looking at breezy?
[02:08] <TMM> njan, I've had plenty of trouble with earlier versions of SBlive drivers with microsofts seal of approval, they just plain sucked, frequent crashes on multiple output streams etc. that is not proper testing, the only thing that did work was that the optical out didn't work for drm'd wma.
[02:08] <yahalom> ompaul: yes
[02:08] <TMM> njan, perhaps their practice has changed, but this is something I actually experienced with a friend's desktop system
[02:08] <yahalom> ompaul: is that the latest? cos xffm still isnt. maybe they didnt officially release it.
[02:08] <njan> TMM, I'm not talking about multimedia drivers, I'm talking about actual, serious enterprise drivers.
[02:09] <TMM> njan, perhaps... still, serious enterprise systems and microsoft servers is a joke anyway
[02:09] <njan> TMM, and for something like SBlive drivers, a large proportion of the software making the hardware work is userspace software, not the driver - all the sblive gunk that's bundled with the driver. I can't speculate on how well that works either way.
[02:09] <TMM> njan, ms's hot failover isn't all that hot
[02:09] <njan> TMM, not really.
[02:09] <njan> TMM, really? I was working in a bank datacenter two weeks ago full of clustered windows servers which would beg to disagree with you. :P
[02:09] <ompaul> yahalom, well it will not change before breezy
[02:09] <ColonelKernel> my sblive uses alsa in the kernel
[02:10] <njan> TMM, http://www.microsoft.com/whdc/whql/default.mspx <= go, read, be enlightened, know your enemy. :P
[02:10] <TMM> njan, perhaps, if you run only one service per phisical server and you are lucky.. then, perhaps
[02:10] <njan> TMM, any serious enterprise only runs one service per physical server; that goes for linux as much as windows.
[02:10] <TMM> njan, but, they only do that on linux because that's what they are used to by using windows :)
[02:10] <njan> TMM, that's the entire point of mainframe computing - even with one physical unit, you run one service per operating system image, and mainframe computing precedes linux and windows.
[02:11] <njan> TMM, um.. no, not really.
[02:12] <njan> TMM, it's time for my lunch and you're obviously more interested in just ranting about something you don't really know much about rather than actually having an intelligent conversation about another operating system and taking it seriously (and #ubuntu isn't really the place for this anyway), so I'm going to go get some food; have a nice afternoon :)
[02:12] <TMM> njan, come on... having a service put a load of 0.1 on a server and not using it for something else is just plain silly. The only reason for that is because big name software providers don't support their junk if you run multiple applications on one server
[02:12] <njan> TMM, if you want to discuss it outside the channel, give me a shout and I'll get back to you later.
[02:12] <TMM> which is because they can't predict what the other service is doing to the registry mostly :P
[02:12] <TMM> but, I'd like a nice discussion anyway, and I'm not as uninformed as you might think :)
[02:13] <ompaul> njan, of course you can run many images on one server - mainframes brought us that
 TMM, that's the entire point of mainframe computing - even with one physical unit, you run one service per operating system image <+ ompaul quite, that's what I meant. :P
[02:13] <TMM> njan, one more thing for you to think about on your lunch, ok?
[02:13] <jeanre> everything on my machine opens slow
[02:13] <njan> TMM, you separate services onto different operating system images for *security* and *stability*, not for convenience.
[02:14] <TMM> njan, explain to me why oracle does not support an oracle install on win32 if it's used for more than just that, but DOES for certified linux distros? :)
[02:14] <njan> TMM, most enterprise deployments follow the 2n+X rule, where N is the number of servers you actually need for your app, and N is an arbitrary number of spares, usually 2 for a small cluster, so if you need 3 servers, you actually deploy 8.
[02:14] <njan> TMM, no clue, I'm not a DBA and I've never touched oracle.
[02:14] <ompaul> xen or uml <-- are good for that on the x86  version of that - but services are not desktops :)
[02:14] <njan> Anyway, greasy chips call. Later!
[02:14] <jeanre> like opening the home icon takes like 30 minutes
[02:14] <TMM> njan, later :)
[02:14] <BasK> Hi, I'm trying to modify the breezy livecd to include a different kernel. I'm using livecd customization howto (which works) perfectly, but I have a problem. mkinitrd cannot determine the root device, since I'm in a chroot and the fstab is empty. Any suggestions?
[02:15] <jeanre> brb
[02:15] <TMM> anyway, are there any special hoary to breezy upgrade things or a page on the wiki or anything?
[02:15] <orangey> heya ll!
[02:15] <TMM> I know how to do it, but warty to breezy had some special things with the language support stuff
[02:15] <orangey> I'm having trouble with my synaptics touchpad..
[02:15] <orangey> it won't recognize as synaptics, and I keep getting: I'm having a problem with my synaptics touchpad..
[02:15] <athlon> where can I get libavcodec2 that is needed to install mplayer-custom ?
[02:15] <orangey> I even added the "alps" patch, but to no avail
[02:16] <|exec|> /j2eesdk-1_4_02_2005Q2-linux-ml.bin: error while loading shared libraries: libstdc++-libc6.2-2.so.3: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[02:17] <|exec|> what do i need to install jdk?
[02:17] <orangey> I just get: input: PS/2 Generic Mouse on isa0060/serio4
[02:17] <TMM> hmmmm... no breezy-extras yet ;)
[02:18] <onkarshinde> Can anyone tell me top brands in graphics cards?
[02:19] <dazvid> umm what card are you looking at?
[02:19] <TMM> 1045 upgraded, 355 newly installed, 79 to remove and 6 not upgraded.
[02:19] <TMM> weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeellll
[02:19] <TMM> this is going to suck
[02:19] <TMM> :)
[02:19] <onkarshinde> dazvid: For home use normally. Perhaps AGP.
[02:20] <dazvid> So you dont want anything super hardcore gaming?
[02:20] <TMM> onesandzeros, for easiest installation and not too bad 3d grapics got for an ati 9200
[02:20] <onkarshinde> dazvid: Actually it is my colleague who has asked question and I am not sure of his purpose.
[02:21] <Determinist> orangey: ubuntuforums.org, customization for hoary... there's a howto there
[02:21] <TMM> onesandzeros, no mucking about with fglrx drivers, ati 9200 installs and works 100% automagically
[02:21] <dazvid> ah fair enough
[02:21] <w-the-c> I've got a question about fglrx drivers =)
[02:21] <onkarshinde> What is the opinion about nVidia?
[02:21] <onkarshinde> and SiS?
[02:22] <w-the-c> I'm having big issues with dri and the custom fglrx kernel module/driver at the website: http://xoomer.virgilio.it/flavio.stanchina/debian/fglrx-installer.html
[02:22] <TMM> onesandzeros, same really. sis is nice for cheap 2d
[02:22] <Determinist> GF6600GT for the win :P
[02:22] <TMM> onesandzeros, binary only drivers pretty much always lag in X features. although, it is said that nvidias GL implementation is more compete than the one at DRI
[02:23] <Belutz> w-the-c: don;t use that
[02:23] <dazvid> Determinist: yeh, but if you aren't gaming, whats the point?
[02:23] <w-the-c> Belutz, ok, is there a better alternative that gives me GL and dri?
[02:23] <Determinist> dazvid: no point, but i do play games :)
[02:23] <Belutz> w-the-c: read form here instead http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=32495
[02:23] <dazvid> I do too ;)
[02:23] <Determinist> dazvid: besides, XFX ship in cool boxes lol
[02:23] <TMM> onesandzeros, if you just need pretty 2d, go for matrox, matrox gives VERY nice 2d grapics and acceleration, if you don't game much
[02:23] <dazvid> lol
[02:23] <dazvid> too true
[02:24] <dazvid> Dont sell them out in Australia that I have seen :/
[02:24] <dmoyne> I see people talking about 3D graphic cards ; surprinsingly whrn installing Ubuntu there are no questions about CRT monitor ; I had to customize manualy xorg.conf to make my 3Dfx works ok !
[02:24] <w-the-c> Belutz, thank you very much I'll check that out
[02:24] <Belutz> w-the-c: you're very welcome
[02:24] <Determinist> dazvid: ummm, i'm sure they do in japan or something, surely you could have one shipped over?
[02:24] <TMM> dmoyne, 3dfx is always a pain in the buttocks to set up :) always has been, on any os :)
[02:24] <dazvid> Yeh, probably
[02:24] <Determinist> dazvid: that, or BFG, either are excellent
[02:25] <pl_ice> hi
[02:25] <D13GU__> hi all! how to install ubuntu on ethernet?
[02:25] <dazvid> I have read up on them, they sure rate nicely
[02:25] <TMM> onesandzeros, did that answer your question?
[02:25] <Determinist> dazvid: too bad i gotta keep winxp for my games :/
[02:25] <onkarshinde> Pretty much.
[02:25] <TMM> crap
[02:25] <TMM> I was talking to the wrong guy :0
[02:25] <dazvid> ditto... Determinist if you want to talk games.. join #linux-gamers.net instead :)
[02:26] <pl_ice> guys, anyone know how can i read(as view) pdf/ & doc documents without X server ?? ...
[02:26] <TMM> sorry onesandzeros , it was intended for onkarshinde
[02:26] <Determinist> dazvid: kk
[02:26] <TMM> onkarshinde, all that stuff was intended for you... stupid tab completion
[02:26] <dmoyne> Nope because it is recognbized by the Ubuntu installer but if your screen has typical default frequencies for horizontal and vertical refreshing not up to what your 3D graphics cards needs noway to get it working !
[02:26] <pipoun> Hox can I use the browser mode of nautilus?
[02:26] <TMM> Determinist, I solved that by buying a playstation 2, much nicer anyway to play on a big ass tv and with a proper controller :)
[02:27] <razonesdudar> hi all
[02:27] <D13GU__> hi
[02:27] <D13GU__> hi all! how to install ubuntu on ethernet?
[02:27] <Determinist> TMM: simple math, big ass TV > 19" LCD $$$
[02:27] <TMM> D13GU__, euh.... that's a pretty ambigious question :)
[02:27] <Whistler> hello
[02:27] <Whistler> :)
[02:27] <cusco> hello!
[02:28] <D13GU__> TMM :)  over local network :)
[02:28] <TMM> Determinist, na'h big ass crt TV isn't very expensive :)
[02:28] <dmoyne> last question : has anybody installed his users under LDAP ?
[02:28] <Determinist> TMM: depends on where you're at in the world :)
[02:28] <TMM> D13GU__, you'd need some sort of bootdisk, but, what are you trying to accomplish?
[02:28] <othomas> D13GU : download the install disk instead of the live cd disk..hoary works well, haven't try'd breezy yet
[02:28] <Lord_nikon> oy LL
[02:28] <TMM> Determinist, I can't imagine that there's any place in the world where a good 19" LCD is cheaper than a big ass CRT tv
[02:28] <TMM> Determinist, :)
[02:29] <Lord_nikon> i am runningbreezy
[02:29] <TMM> I never knew I had this much CRAP installed
[02:29] <GhosthacK> hello is somebody here who can help me out? im trying to start fluxbox with gkrellm2 but nothing happens only fluxbox is starting
[02:29] <Determinist> TMM: hmm... my 19" LCD cost about 400$. a decent 30" TV here would cost about twice that
[02:29] <harrytuttle> D13GU__: there's quite a bit of documentation on doing an intall with pxe boot
[02:29] <Whistler> Lord_nikon so what?
[02:29] <D13GU__> othomas ok, download?
[02:29] <Lord_nikon> bloody americans
[02:29] <TMM> Determinist, nasty, for $400 you'd get a pretty damn nice philips big ass wide-screen tv
[02:30] <othomas> D13GU: yes go to their web page and select downloads
[02:30] <TMM> Determinist, which I did buy along with a PS2 :)
[02:30] <TMM> :P
[02:31] <dmoyne>  Lord_nikon : how did you upgrade from hoary to breezy ?
[02:31] <D13GU__> othomas, ok
[02:31] <Lord_nikon> u download breezy install
[02:31] <Determinist> TMM: that's not bad
[02:31] <othomas> D13GU: the addy is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/download/
[02:32] <D13GU__> the breezy?
[02:32] <dmoyne>  Lord_nikon : where do you get this and is your Breezy version working fine ?
[02:32] <dbzdeath> can anyone here help me with cups? for some reason cups just does nothing when i try to print a test page... i do get the error  WARNING **: connect = 'epson:/dev/lp0' though
[02:33] <D13GU__> othomas, live cd ?
[02:33] <TMM> Determinist, I once installed winxp for one game I just had to buy and play... and I got rather fed up of the crashes that happened after occasionally booting it up for 3 weeks, then I bought a PS2 with that game, and now, I'm happy :)
[02:33] <othomas> D13GU: no the install CD, they are listed before the live cd lists
[02:33] <TMM> winXP really seems to deteriorate over time, for no apparent reason... I wonder if they count the number of boots or something
[02:34] <dbzdeath> TMM: its the registry
[02:34] <Lord_nikon> it works just fine
[02:34] <D13GU__> othomas but my cdrom drive damaged
[02:35] <Lord_nikon> dmoyne:just go to ubuntu.com and download breezy instead of hoary
[02:35] <Determinist> TMM: i dunno, i dont like playing games staring at TVs, a computer is much nicer to me for that purpose
[02:35] <TMM> Determinist, each to his own I suppose :)
[02:35] <D13GU__> i can to create a disk boot, for remote boot?
[02:36] <Determinist> TMM: aye
[02:36] <Determinist> :)
[02:36] <dmoyne>  Lord_nikon : you are talking about CD image or upgrade ?
[02:36] <TMM> Determinist, I also found that not using my PC for games got me less distracted with work when I was playing :)
[02:36] <Determinist> TMM: lol, that could be a problem tho.
[02:37] <Whistler> why i am experiencing lags when updating breezy?
[02:38] <othomas> D13GU: oohhhh...that does create a problem...I don't know of any floppy boot disks to do net install of ubuntu..sorry
[02:38] <Whistler> with hoary performance was fine
[02:38] <Whistler> and updates are only donloading
[02:38] <D13GU__> :(
[02:38] <Lord_nikon> cd image.u can't upgrade
[02:39] <Whistler> ?
[02:39] <Lord_nikon> but kubuntu is better
[02:39] <robzon> hey, anyone knows how to make nautilus burn CDs? it just won't see that I DO have a blank CD in the recorder
[02:39] <Determinist> Lord_nikon: i dont like KDE
[02:39] <pipoun> is it simple to uninstall gnome et install kde after?
[02:39] <Lord_nikon> i Do Like KDE
[02:40] <Lord_nikon> debian is not too great
[02:40] <Determinist> Lord_nikon: fine, figure out for me how to play with my network settings... because there seems to be a bug which wont let you do that in kubuntu
[02:40] <jack-> robzon: use gnomebaker, gtoaster, arson, k3b, graveman, anything else
[02:40] <Whistler> pipoun its not hard
[02:40] <Determinist> actually, debian is fine if you use a normal DE with it, like Gnome :D
[02:40] <Whistler> but i reccomend you to use kubuntu istead
[02:40] <Lord_nikon> ur,right about that,but kubuntu isn't the only KDE available m8
[02:41] <pipoun> but I've just installed ubuntu, I spend time configuring some appz, and I dont wan't to do that again
[02:41] <robzon> jack-: well, I will, but you know, there are some users that find right-click/burn ISO to CD much easier than opening separate app for this... so it would be nice to get it to work :)
[02:41] <Determinist> Lord_nikon: ohh, i've used kde with fedora as well... i just couldnt shake the feeling that it's a half done work which keeps going splat in your face every time you want something done that it isnt really ready to do
[02:41] <Whistler> pipoun so you can install kde, but kubuntu is a better soliution
[02:42] <pipoun> Or perhaps I'm too dumb. But for example I don't know how to change the wallpaper pour each virtual desktop in gnome
[02:42] <jack-> robzon: mmh..good luck :)
[02:42] <Lord_nikon> determinist:u have a point
[02:42] <Determinist> pipoun: i dont know if you can do that
[02:42] <Entvex> what is best gnome or kde ???
[02:42] <chicken-man> KDE
[02:42] <dazvid> Entvex: its preference
[02:42] <pipoun> Determinist, that's a pity (for me)
[02:42] <TMM> pipoun, you can't in gnome 2.10 anyway, perhaps 2.12
[02:42] <Entvex> why ?chicken-man
[02:43] <D13GU__> how to remove a clock remote sync. ?
[02:43] <robzon> jack-: thanks ;)
[02:43] <pipoun> Entvex, gnome is simpler
[02:43] <jack-> entvex: which question is more stupid, 1+1 or 2+2?
[02:43] <pipoun> kde is flashier
[02:43] <Determinist> Lord_nikon: that, and the fact that there really isnt any sense of general direction when it comes to KDE. not to mention it takes 2 years to memorize which Kblah does what you need lol
[02:43] <chicken-man> Entvex, i think it looks better
[02:43] <bimberi> pipoun: you can have both installed, or is space an issue?
[02:43] <onkarshinde> Entvex: It is just matter of choice.
[02:43] <Entvex> li think gnome looks cool ?
[02:43] <jack-> kde is 10x more bloated
[02:43] <jack-> but both are "pretty"
[02:43] <Determinist> yeah, it's prettier tho, i'll give it that.
[02:44] <onkarshinde> Entvex: KDE resembles more to Windows
[02:44] <pipoun> bimberi, no space is not an issue
[02:44] <TMM> meh, there's nothing wrong with KDE
[02:44] <Lord_nikon> ubuntu's multimedia is bolocs\
[02:44] <TMM> i've used it quite happely for years
[02:44] <after8> !start a desktop war
[02:44] <ubotu> fvwm is much better than xfce!
[02:44] <Determinist> erm, i dont like kde. :P
[02:44] <Lord_nikon> TMM:i agree
[02:44] <onkarshinde> TMM: I sometimes think that KDE has too many menus/ programs which may frighten new user.
[02:44] <bimberi> pipoun: you can install the kubuntu-desktop package then
[02:44] <TMM> since 3.0 anyway, gnome 1.4 before that and now back to gnome since hoary
[02:44] <jack-> twm is much better than fluxbox!
[02:44] <Entvex> i have only use gnome 1 try kde ons and kde i feel kde was a mess
[02:44] <pipoun> bimberi, but if I install KDE too, won't it be affected by the soft of gnome?
[02:44] <Lord_nikon> KDE is not for new users
[02:45] <jack-> sawfish rocks the socks of enlightenment!
[02:45] <jack-> (d'oh!)
[02:45] <Entvex> do kde have more skins ?
[02:46] <Determinist> Lord_nikon: i'm not that much of a novice, but with kde i find myself having to dig through loads of menus to find stuff and there's too many things unimplemented. sometimes i think they went ahead too fast with concern of how it looks rather than what it's supposed to function like
[02:46] <TMM> onkarshinde, perhaps, but, on the other hand, gnome's method of not exposing everything to the user but through the config-editor leaves a lot to be desired too... it's both not ideal
[02:46] <pipoun> Determinist, but si gnome les configurable?
[02:46] <pipoun> *is
[02:46] <Lord_nikon> Determinist:indeed
[02:46] <after8> reiki_work> XP is better than Silicon Graphics
[02:47] <Determinist> pipoun: gnome is fine for whatever uses you have, as long as you can accept a certain amount of defaults.
[02:47] <Lord_nikon> AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGH BILLY GATES
[02:47] <after8> Determinist> there are defaults, i agree.....
[02:47] <bimberi> pipoun: yes, to some extent, i get some extra files put in interesting places sometimes but it's been OK otherwise
[02:47] <TMM> after8, ghehehe... well, XP's interface is a lot better than 4dwm :)
[02:47] <reiki_work> after8: did I ask?
[02:47] <after8> reiki_work> nope ;) HSZSN
[02:48] <Determinist> ???
[02:48] <reiki_work> after8: Dai Ko Myo
[02:48] <TMM> but then again, so is fvwm or pretty much anything but twm, which actually is able to suck even more then 4dwm, which is quite a feat really
[02:48] <Lord_nikon> do all of u lads still run windows
[02:48] <jack-> i never did
[02:48] <Answer> Hello W0rld
[02:48] <jack-> hello user
[02:48] <reiki_work> Lord_nikon: I haven't booted to windows in over 4 weeks now
[02:48] <Lord_nikon> great
[02:48] <onkarshinde> Lord_nikon: I have to, at work.
[02:48] <TMM> nope, not since win95 OSR 2 (well, except for that small thing with the XP for the game)
[02:48] <onkarshinde> Answer: Hello
[02:49] <after8> reiki_work> what level are you at? i'm lev2
[02:49] <Answer> Question: When I unplug my laptop, the battery meter says "System is running on ac power, no battery present"  but it is clearly running on the battery and not ac power ?
[02:49] <reiki_work> after8: master/teacher
[02:49] <TMM> supported a lot of 98-xp systems for friends and relatives though, untill hoary, when I moved pretty much everyone over
[02:49] <Determinist> Answer: your laptop is drunk.
[02:49] <after8> reiki_work> nice one man... one day ;)
[02:50] <TMM> Answer, compaq laptop is it? :)
[02:50] <Determinist> gonna have shipit ship over afew breezy CDs... the hoary ones i got went away like hot buns
[02:50] <Answer> TMM: IT is a Dell Inspiron 4150 laptop
[02:50] <Question> Answer, then I wouldn't know
[02:50] <reiki_work> after8: stay with it... I did treatments at an HIV clinic every Friday (burned a vacation day from regular job each time) for 4 months. After 4 months there was a clinically documentable difference in teh patients that received treatments. Made me feel good. :)
[02:50] <after8> Determinist> true its a bit heavy n ressources but my cranky laptop manages oK. Dell latitude PIII w/ 256 mb
[02:50] <Answer> Question: Pretend I said "Yes, it's a compaq laptop"
[02:51] <Lord_nikon> riiiiiiiiiight
[02:51] <Question> Answer, but, I get it too sometimes with my compaq, need to reload the battery module then, rmmod battery && modprobe battery
[02:51] <Determinist> after8: i found XFCE to be nicest on my laptop, just kinda like gnome better.
[02:51] <Question> Answer, that usually does the trick
[02:51] <Answer> Question:  which is the battery module to reload?
[02:51] <after8> reiki_work> nice... that's dedication..... wouldlike to do more of that...
[02:51] <Lord_nikon> any one know of a good media player
[02:51] <Answer> xmms
[02:51] <after8> Determinist> long live personal preferences :D
[02:51] <Answer> !xmms
[02:51] <ubotu> I heard xmms is to get xmms to work in Ubuntu Hoary, set the output plugin to eSound (right-click on the XMMS window, then choose Options -> Preferences)
[02:52] <reiki_work> if I haven't received my CDs from shipit yet... is there a chance I'll just get Breezy CDs instead if the delay is that long?
[02:52] <Determinist> after8: amen mate :)
[02:52] <Lord_nikon> except for xmms
[02:52] <after8> mate... hehe
[02:52] <TMM> Answer, type "sudo rmmod battery && sudo modprobe battery" in a terminal window
[02:52] <Answer> Lord_nikon:  rythmbox
[02:52] <Determinist> after8: at least we get to have a choice.
[02:52] <Stalwart> does breezy-multiverse has multiverse-security?
[02:52] <TMM> Answer, then wait a bit untill the battery monitor adjusts itself :)
[02:52] <after8> Determinist> instead of having green vs blue..... ;)
[02:52] <Determinist> after8: you forgot silver and classic...
[02:53] <da_bon_bon> reiki_work: no.. i got my warty cds after hoary was released, and got my hoary cds yesterday
[02:53] <TMM> after8, that's a stupid question, blue is CLEARLY better than green
[02:53] <Stalwart> :DDDDDDDDD
[02:53] <reiki_work> da_bon_bon: hmmm....
[02:53] <after8> Determinist> hehe, i obfuscated them to the back of my hard drive/mind
[02:53] <reiki_work> :)
[02:53] <TMM> after8, blue is so much more userfriendly and less bloated then green
[02:53] <Answer> TMM: I typed those commands and there was no output and the battery meter didnt change at all ?
[02:53] <Determinist> after8: i wish i could obfuscate the entire damned thing off of my harddrive and get it over with.
[02:53] <Gorgonzola> if i ordered cds in shipit about a month ago.. which have apparently already been sent, when breezy is released will i receive some of those too, or will i have to re-order?
[02:53] <TMM> Answer, you are not supposed to get output, just wait a little bit
[02:53] <Stalwart> does breezy-multiverse has multiverse-security?? =(
[02:54] <after8> Determinist> liberation is a format c:\
[02:54] <after8> Stalwart> i don't know... checking...
[02:54] <TMM> Answer, and past the LAST LINE ONLY of the output of dmesg|tail here
[02:54] <Determinist> Gorgonzola: i suppose that since breezy isnt out yet, you wont get the CDs before it's out lol
[02:54] <reiki_work> oops... I typed ubuntu.org instead of Ubuntu.com and got a site toally unrelated to the Ubuntu I was expecting :)
[02:54] <Answer> TMM: But then I wont get warned about #flood and pastebin hhehehe
[02:54] <Stalwart> reiki, ubuntu.com = ubuntulinux.org != ubuntu.org
[02:54] <TMM> Answer, not if you only put in one line
[02:54] <selinium> OK then, I have installed wine via cvs, how would I remove it?
[02:54] <Determinist> reiki_work: isnt it annoying how those "search" sites buy domains?
[02:55] <after8> Stalwart> breezy-security yep... main restricted uni multi
[02:55] <TMM> Answer, LAST LINE ONLY :) get it? ;)
[02:55] <Stalwart> after8, thank you
[02:55] <reiki_work> Determinist: indeed
[02:55] <imnes> I've got a bug in Evolution - Gnome date+time integration, should I report it to the ubuntu team or straight to evolution?
[02:55] <after8> hehe s'ok. i just used all the same repos from hoary but changed them to breezy
[02:55] <Gorgonzola> Determinist, what i mean is, once you are in the system, do you automatically receive each new major release?
[02:55] <Answer> TMM: the second to last line says ACPI: [BAT0]  present,  the last line sayd [BAT1]  absent
[02:55] <Determinist> at least they all look like shite so you can distinguish them from the actual sites you need to get to lol
[02:55] <Gorgonzola> oh yeh i hate those damn sites too
[02:56] <Determinist> Gorgonzola: dont think so mate
[02:56] <Gorgonzola> doesn't matter, i'll download it anyway (much faster than waiting a month for post!)
[02:56] <Gorgonzola> would be nice to have some 'proper' cds though :)
[02:56] <pybe> Gorgonzola: where are you?
[02:56] <Determinist> Gorgonzola: aye, gonna have afew sent over, but the burned CD should do for now
[02:56] <TMM> Answer, I get that too sometimes, nothing much that you can do but chech the linux acpi projects (acpi.sf.net) webpage and hope that there's a fixed DSDT for you laptop... or read the docs on fixing it yourself
[02:57] <Gorgonzola> pybe, Australia
[02:57] <Entvex> im gogin to install ubumtu agen Hmm do ubuntu take usb auto ?
[02:57] <TMM> Answer, rebooting without the ac adapter plugged in seems to cure it for my laptop though
[02:57] <Gorgonzola> it says cds were sent to me on 8/8/2005 .... it's now 15/9/2005, no sign yet
[02:57] <pybe> Gorgonzola: paypal me the postage and I can send you a 5.04 cd set
[02:57] <TMM> Answer, even if I plug it back in later... but it's somewhat sub-optimal
[02:57] <T-One> fellas, I need a hand with a minimal box install..
[02:57] <Entvex> im gogin to install ubumtu agen Hmm do ubuntu take usb auto ?
[02:57] <Gorgonzola> pybe, i dont have a paypal account
[02:57] <Answer> TMM: It does not hinder the functionality other than I don't know when the battery will run out.  It's good in some ways since the screen doesnt darken
[02:57] <pybe> Gorgonzola: nm
[02:58] <Entvex> do ubuntu take usb auto ?
[02:58] <T-One> ...specificall I need help with vncserver and XDMCP
[02:58] <TMM> Answer, well, that's the answer then :) if you care about it, check acpi.sf.net, if you don't you can either boot without ac plugged in (might work) or just ignore it completly then :)
[02:58] <Gorgonzola> one more question... once i d/l the breezy disc, what's the best way to update from Hoary? do you just select "upgrade" or something from the install menu?
[02:58] <Smegzor> I have a simple? problem.  I have a dual booting pc with ubuntu first then windows xp in a 2nd partition.  I went through the procedure to restore the grub boot loader and now when I boot, all I get is the grub prompt.  I am able to boot into ubuntu by manually typing the lines from grub's menu.lst.  Now that I am in ubuntu.  How can I fix my boot problem?
[02:58] <Determinist> T-One: wanna have gdm over VNC?
[02:58] <TMM> Answer, I choose for the last option, I know how much time I have on a battery :)
[02:59] <T-One> that's EXACTLY what I'm tryin to do
[02:59] <Entvex> do ubuntu take usb auto ?
[02:59] <Determinist> T-One: you're not the first :) gimme a sec, i'll get you a link
[02:59] <T-One> either that, or just push XFCE4 session back over X11 forwarding (ssh)
[02:59] <Gorgonzola> Entvex, what do you mean?
[02:59] <Gorgonzola> Entvex, do you mean will it detect a USB device automatically?
[02:59] <Determinist> T-One: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=42941
[02:59] <Answer> TMM: Is there any command line battery level tool ?
[02:59] <Entvex> Gorgonzola if i have a usb disk can ubuntu take it auto ?
[03:00] <T-One> okay, here's the thing: that guide assumes you had Gnome installed (to change the xdcmp setting)
[03:00] <TMM> Answer, that won't work either, the problem is with the DSDT of your bios, not with gnome, all tools will give the same result
[03:00] <Determinist> Entvex: it should be able to recognize it, yes. worst case scenario you'd have to mount it
[03:00] <T-One> I'm using a "server" install
[03:00] <TMM> T-One, consider using NX instead of vncserver, VNC pretty much sucks compared to NX
[03:00] <Gorgonzola> Entvex, should do as Determinist  said
[03:00] <T-One> really?
[03:01] <TMM> T-One, yes, really :) google for freenx
[03:01] <Entvex> Thx!
[03:01] <Determinist> TMM: freenx rocks :D
[03:01] <eros> after inatallation , " sudo apt-get install beep-media-player totem-xine w32codecs gstreamer0.8-plugins"toetm player works but bmp doesn't work. why and what's the problom?
[03:01] <T-One> can I tunnel that over SSH?
[03:01] <TMM> T-One, I haven't used VNC ever since I discovered freeNX, only to connect to less-fortunate systems :)
[03:02] <TMM> T-One, does that automagicallty
[03:02] <Lord_nikon> bloody americans
[03:02] <Determinist> TMM: any idea how to change the port freenx server listens to from 22 to 443 tho?
[03:02] <Determinist> Lord_nikon: what they done now? lol
[03:02] <T-One> is there a Windows client needed?
[03:02] <Lord_nikon> They have T1 at low prices
[03:02] <TMM> Determinist, some SSH helper config thing... but I think you'd need to change the port of all your SSH traffic then, wouldn't know
[03:02] <Gorgonzola> Determinist, what haven't they done... hehe :)
[03:02] <Determinist> T-One: there are win32, linux and mac OSX clients for NX
[03:02] <TMM> T-One, if you want to use it on windows, then yes :)
[03:03] <TMM> T-One, just as with VNC :P
[03:03] <Determinist> Gorgonzola: lol
[03:03] <Smegzor> *bump* I need a little help getting my hands Grubby :) Just a shove in the right direction.  I need to rebuild my grub boot loader.
[03:03] <T-One> yeah, I'm on a Win box behind a corporate firewall...only way to get in my home box is SSH
[03:03] <Determinist> T-One: the admin at your place hasnt blocked port 22?
[03:03] <TMM> T-One, then NX is pretty much ideal for you
[03:04] <T-One> they have, but not 443, so I'm port-forwarding at my home router
[03:04] <TMM> T-One, zero set up for tunnels etc, ssh support build right into the client, and amazing compression
[03:04] <Entvex> can you play ut2004 on ubuntu ??????????
[03:04] <Entvex> :)
[03:04] <Digis> Entvex, yes
[03:04] <bur[n] er> anyone know why gnome-panel always wants to access my keyring for old evolution mail accounts??  I've removed them from evolution, yet the panel still prompts me for their passwords on every login  :(
[03:04] <TMM> hmm... halfway through setting up the packages for breezy.... and still no nasty surprises... that's good :)
[03:04] <Entvex> Digis :) nice
[03:05] <cafuego> But if you have an ATI video card, you may not want to.
[03:05] <Digis> yup, ATI sucks ass in linux
[03:05] <TMM> cafuego, hey, didn't you used to hang out in #debian? :)
[03:05] <T-One> okay, now: here's what I'm trying to do:
[03:05] <Whistler> anybody managed to get ati radeon drives to run on breezy?
[03:05] <cafuego> TMM: Still do, eloped to Ubuntu (for the desktop)
[03:05] <T-One> the server is headless, so I don't need X on the primary display, only on remote sessions...
[03:05] <Digis> but it is possible to play ut2004, even with ATI, in linux
[03:05] <TMM> cafuego, same here :)
[03:06] <Lord_nikon> Smegzor:i am going to pm u
[03:06] <Entvex> Digis i got a nvidia ? is ok ?
[03:06] <Smegzor> thanks
[03:06] <Whistler> anybody got luck with breezy+ati?
[03:06] <Digis> Entvex, its perfect :)
[03:06] <Lord_nikon> ummm
[03:07] <T-One> whisler: that's another problem I have as well...
[03:07] <TMM> T-One, how often do I need to shout :"NX" at your ass? :) it'll manage creation and destruction of login sessions, detachment/attachment
[03:07] <Smegzor> i'm a windows user :O and I just want to be sure that I'm doing the right thing.. so I don't kill my chances of rebooting :)
[03:07] <TMM> T-One, you want freeNX
[03:07] <T-One> TMM: OKAY, I get it!
[03:07] <TMM> T-One, feel it, learn it, love it :P
[03:07] <Entvex> Digis :) nice
[03:07] <T-One> apt-getting now...
[03:07] <Lord_nikon> AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGH BILLLY GATES
[03:07] <Determinist> i gotta admit, part of the joy about linux is the way you can always upgrade and update the stuff you use even if only for the idiotic joy of seeing a greater version number. not sure if that's the stuff an OS meant for an avrage user should be made of :)
[03:07] <Entvex> brb
[03:08] <TMM> T-One, you'll like it, trust me :)
[03:08] <Lord_nikon> Smegzor:TAKE BILLY GATES'S OS OFF UR SYSTEm
[03:08] <Smegzor> heh  but I make a living from fixing his bugs
[03:08] <TMM> Lord_nikon, don't shout stuff like that :) It's soooo childish
[03:09] <TMM> Smegzor, you mean "working around them" since there is no way you can fix them
[03:09] <Lord_nikon> indeed
[03:09] <Smegzor> precisely
[03:09] <after8> Determinist> i agree on the upgrade obsession :D
[03:09] <TMM> Smegzor, linux admins fix problems, windows admins work around them ;)
[03:09] <bimberi> T-One: But just in case you still want to use intangible's setup (from the forums), edit /etc/gdm/gdm.conf to enable xdmcp :)
[03:09] <TMM> o dear...
[03:09] <TMM> locales screwed up
[03:09] <TMM> again
[03:10] <TMM> seems to be a reoccuring theme with ubuntu upgrades...
[03:10] <deFrysk> dpkg-reconfigure locales
[03:10] <TMM> it's still upgrading the packages
[03:10] <cafuego> Determinist: Well, an average user doesn't HAVE to upgrade.
[03:10] <Smegzor> well all I need is someone to say, rebuild your grub.. run this command..  or read this howto.  I have run through the official way to do it twice with no joy.
[03:10] <deFrysk> TMM, from hoary/breezy ?
[03:10] <T-One> big problem with freenx...I just happen to be behind an HTTPS proxy...
[03:10] <cafuego> Determinist: My slackware 3.0 box is still running just fine & dandy.
[03:10] <TMM> deFrysk, getting a whole lot of perl errors because of it, seems rather harmless, and yes, hoary->breezy
[03:10] <after8> TMM> breezy did that for me yesterday
[03:10] <holy_cow> what is audio output on ubuntu? /dev/dsp?  /dev/dsp1?
[03:11] <after8> TMM> itll be ok once it gets to the locales package ;)
[03:11] <deFrysk> TMM, not to worry, will be fixed during upgrade
[03:11] <TMM> I've once had an upgrade fail because perl couldn't load ANY locales or something... don't know the details anymore, but I had to manually download a locales deb and install it using some arcane method
[03:12] <after8> TMM> installShield ? :D
[03:12] <T-One> what's the default command to start an XFCE session?
[03:12] <TMM> but I think that was debian sid...
[03:12] <bur[n] er> T-One: pick it from gdm ;)
[03:12] <Determinist> cafuego: i suppose not
[03:12] <deFrysk> T-One, stratxfce4
[03:12] <deFrysk> sartxfce4
[03:12] <T-One> I can start GDM over freeNX?
[03:12] <deFrysk> startxfce4
[03:12] <TMM> T-One, corkscrew :)
[03:12] <deFrysk> geez :s
[03:13] <yahalom> lol
[03:13] <TMM> T-One, no, you log into the system and choose the session from the nx client, not GDM
[03:13] <T-One> lighten up...I'm used to KDE/Gnome.
[03:13] <deFrysk> now u know why i use gnome ;p
[03:13] <Lord_nikon> use thunderbird
[03:13] <jeanre> anyone here still on warty
[03:13] <deFrysk> its easyer to spell
[03:13] <Smegzor> brb  looking for howto's or any info on grub..
[03:14] <TMM> deFrysk, not to mention pronounce :)
[03:14] <pybe> Smegzor: man grub
[03:14] <deFrysk> TMM, not to mention indeed :D
[03:14] <avalost> hmm, so whats the word on breezy preview?
[03:14] <bur[n] er> for the record, it's guh-nome
[03:14] <jeanre> cause I can not find w32codecs in the repositry
[03:14] <Lord_nikon> Smegzor:go to system,administrator,boot
[03:14] <pybe> Smegzor: www.google.com search for grub howto
[03:14] <bimberi> avalost: quite good today, who knows tomorrow
[03:14] <yahalom> avalost: good
[03:14] <bur[n] er> jeanre: get hoary? :)
[03:14] <TMM> T-One, and, with NX there's really no reason why you wouldn't use GNOME or KDE, client side caching makes even having a pretty wallpaper doable :)
[03:15] <avalost> any major differences from hoary?
[03:15] <T-One> yeah, big prob with the freenx client. It can't traverse my HTTP proxy...
[03:15] <TMM> T-One, doable being "no slowdown" :)
[03:15] <TMM> T-One, corkscrew
[03:15] <deFrysk> avalost, most things are newer
[03:15] <avalost> deFrysk: right on, hows gnome *.12?
[03:15] <deFrysk> avalente, fine
[03:15] <Smegzor> thanks
[03:15] <deFrysk> happy
[03:16] <TMM> deFrysk, heheh, locales are indeed automagically fixed
[03:16] <jeanre> bur[n] er: I can not its my dev machine
[03:16] <bur[n] e1> fine except for prompting for passwords on every boot :\
[03:16] <Determinist> TMM: how do you run the NX client once it has been installed from a .deb? it doesnt appear to have any executable
[03:16] <avalost> whats the projected release date, 13th?
[03:16] <deFrysk> avalente, correct , also see /topic
[03:16] <bur[n] e1> !tell jeanre about repositories
[03:16] <T-One> TMM...thanks a heap...
[03:16] <TMM> Determinist, it's somewhere in /usr/NX
[03:16] <TMM> T-One, that wasn't helpful? :(
[03:16] <bimberi> ubotu tell avalost about breezy
[03:16] <deFrysk> avalost, I mean
[03:16] <Determinist> TMM: k
[03:16] <avalost> right on
[03:16] <icc14> hello everyone
[03:17] <deFrysk> hello someone
[03:17] <icc14> LOL
[03:17] <avalost> thanks bimberi
[03:17] <bimberi> avalost: yw :)
[03:17] <TMM> T-One, corkscrew should allow you to tunnel SSH traffic over HTTP, and thus NX as well, since it all travels over SSH
[03:17] <T-One> does it really matter, since I already have Putty?
[03:18] <Smegzor> can't find system/administrator/boot in my desktop menu.  its the boot part I didn't find.  umm..
[03:18] <TMM> T-One, if putty works without corkscrew magic, then so will the nx client. putty can't tunnel over a http proxy either
[03:18] <T-One> TMM: Umm...yes it can. That's how I've BEEN using it for a year now...
[03:18] <TMM> T-One, socks proxy is it?
[03:19] <T-One> nope. HTTP (connect)
[03:19] <TMM> ?
[03:19] <TMM> hmmm
[03:19] <Smegzor> where in the ubuntu gnome desktop will I find a spot to edit the boot?
[03:19] <|apokryp|> apokry
[03:19] <TMM> for NX you'd have to use corkscrew then...
[03:19] <T-One> what ports do I need to forward?
[03:19] <Determinist> TMM: what nx client are you using mate? the one from nomachine?
[03:19] <TMM> Determinist, yes
[03:19] <TMM> Determinist, but on linux, haven't used the win32 version much
[03:20] <deFrysk> Smegzor, edit the boot ?
[03:20] <reiki_work> wow... I just now learned about edubuntu. I've emailed my wife the link. She's a teacher/media specialist and on the school's technology team. edubuntu is very interesting.
[03:20] <Determinist> TMM: did you download the .deb or using synaptic?
[03:20] <TMM> Determinist, the devb
[03:20] <icc14> is there a built-in cedega in ubuntu??
[03:20] <holy_cow> anyone here setup mythtv on ubuntu successfully with sound?
[03:20] <jdermer> hey guys
[03:20] <Smegzor> yes.  I currently can't boot unless I do a lot of typing
[03:20] <TMM> icc14, you have to pay for cedega
[03:20] <jdermer> i got two question
[03:20] <Determinist> TMM: doesnt work then, keep spitting out errors about missing libs etc
[03:20] <Smegzor> something is broken in my grub
[03:20] <jdermer> how come sometimes when i open apps in ubuntu they open minimized
[03:20] <deFrysk> Smegzor, you mean autologin ?
[03:20] <Entvex> do som one in here use cedega ??
[03:20] <dazvid> TMM: you can also get a free version
[03:20] <dazvid> cvscedega I believe
[03:20] <Smegzor> if I reboot, I get GRUB>
[03:20] <jdermer> also, i just added an extra hard drive to my pc... how do i mount it in ubuntu
[03:21] <Lord_nikon> go to storage media
[03:21] <TMM> Determinist, try this
[03:21] <Entvex> do som one in here use cedega ??? :) li need to ask
[03:21] <yahalom> or just ask for those who paid for cedega and dont care to share it
[03:21] <dazvid> Entvex: perhaps #cedega ?
[03:21] <TMM> Determinist, LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/NX/lib /usr/NX/bin/<whatever the binary is called>
[03:21] <deFrysk> Smegzor, sudo nano -w /boot/grub/menu.lst
[03:21] <Smegzor> I have a menu.lst but it is not being used for some reason.
[03:21] <reiki_work> jdermer: I think AddingAHardDrive is in the wiki... I could swear I saw it yesterday while browsing around
[03:21] <deFrysk> Smegzor, i see
[03:21] <icc14> is there a free cedega??
[03:21] <TMM> dazvid, pretty useless :)
[03:21] <T-One> looks like NX connect port is 4000 or 40001. I'll brb
[03:21] <Smegzor> my menu.lst is at that location
[03:22] <deFrysk> yes
[03:22] <TMM> icc14, not one that is any good, you'd be better off using normal wine in that case, they have been making heaps of progress with directX work
[03:22] <Smegzor> the lst itself is correct.  I am unsure why/how to make it get used at boot time
[03:22] <icc14> what wine can you suggest??
[03:22] <Smegzor> windows xp broke it
[03:22] <deFrysk> Smegzor, did you install grub in mbr ?
[03:23] <jeanre> bur[n] er: I use warty
[03:23] <Lord_nikon> sodding xp
[03:23] <jeanre> :)(
[03:23] <apokryphos> !grub
[03:23] <ubotu> grub is, like, totally, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/GrubHowto or https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows
[03:23] <deFrysk> Smegzor, you have to reinstall grub
[03:23] <Snusmumriken> Anyone who can help me? When I istalled Ubuntu and run it it can't load gdm.. :S
[03:23] <deFrysk> apokryphos, thanks :)
[03:23] <Smegzor> i followed the instructions in that 2nd url twice
[03:23] <apokryphos> Snusmumriken: what's the error message?
[03:23] <bytefoo> yo, anyone know why breezy would not detect a network card but hoary would?
[03:23] <Smegzor> yes deFrysk..  how?
[03:23] <TMM> icc14, the one from winehq.com
[03:24] <apokryphos> Smegzor: check the latter link provided by ubotu
[03:24] <jdermer> reiki_work, i dont see it in the wiki'
[03:24] <icc14> hello anyone can give me a good wine and a site to download it??
[03:24] <icc14> TNX
[03:24] <apokryphos> !wine
[03:24] <Bateau_> i got this extra buttons on my mouse. how can i get them to be back- and forward-history?
[03:24] <deFrysk> Smegzor, you are in ubuntu now ?
[03:24] <reiki_work> jdermer: I'm trying to find it again too...
[03:24] <apokryphos> ubotu: tell icc14 about wine
[03:24] <Whistler> i just dowloaded a bunch of xorg updates, will ati drivers work on breezy now?
[03:24] <Snusmumriken> It wasnt really a error message, a menu poped up with some strange symbols and told me that there was some kind of error and that gdm would be inactivated
[03:25] <Smegzor> yes.  I wrote down what is in menu.lst and typed it at the GRUB> prompt :)
[03:25] <apokryphos> Snusmumriken: if we don't know the error then we can't really help
[03:25] <Lord_nikon> yes yes
[03:25] <Smegzor> this is the 2nd time I have installed Windows as a 2nd OS.  The last one XP 64 was pants and had to go.
[03:25] <deFrysk> menu.list does not go in the GRUB> prompt
[03:26] <apokryphos> Smegzor: have you checked that link I said?
[03:26] <reiki_work> jdermer: if nothing else, this should get you in the right direction...  http://www.linuxplanet.com/linuxplanet/tutorials/4232/1/
[03:26] <Smegzor> I know, but typing what it contains = booting into linux :)
[03:26] <Snusmumriken> k.. Guess i have to reinstall again then..
[03:26] <Smegzor> doing that now.
[03:26] <deFrysk> Smegzor, where is your / ?
[03:26] <Smegzor> the 2nd url didn't help
[03:26] <apokryphos> Snusmumriken: or you could just get the error for us
[03:26] <chiisai> My computer has a total of 1.5 GB RAM, and BIOS reports this correctly. However, top says I have "906660k total" memory, and p2p/cedega still says I got 512 MB (as I just put in the additional 1 GB). Err, what's wrong?
[03:27] <apokryphos> Snusmumriken: when you're at the command prompt have you tried typing "startx"?
[03:27] <othomas> smegzor: try editing the list and then running grub while in linux..then reboot and see if it picks up the list
[03:27] <chiisai> oh, now p2p/cedega reports 1024 MB, too.
[03:27] <Smegzor> um..  hda1  (hd0,0)
[03:27] <deFrysk> correct
[03:27] <lastnode> how can i get ubuntu to suspend when i close my notebook?
[03:28] <deFrysk> so you did all that ?
[03:28] <Snusmumriken> It only popped up once and i didn't memorize it.. but it was some x-server error..
[03:28] <lastnode> i mean when i fold it
[03:28] <deFrysk> wierd
[03:28] <Smegzor> the list is correct.  nothing to change there.
[03:28] <apokryphos> Snusmumriken: try typing startx next time, and check what the error is
[03:28] <deFrysk> Smegzor, so your menu.lst corresponds with uname -r ?
[03:28] <Smegzor> going to backup my menu.lst :)
[03:28] <othomas> smegzor, just change a couple of char. then put them back so grub thinks the list has changed
[03:29] <Smegzor> ok
[03:29] <lastnode> anyone? suspending on laptop close?
[03:29] <Answer> Question: How do I add proftpd to my init.d so it will run on startup ?
[03:29] <othomas> you have to manually run grub before you reboot
[03:29] <Smegzor> what us uname -r?  sorry <-- windows idiot here
[03:29] <clem_yeats> lastnode : no, works fine for me.
[03:29] <deFrysk> Smegzor, it tells you what kernelversion you are running
[03:29] <andalucia> howdy
[03:29] <apokryphos> hi there
[03:29] <clem_yeats> Smegzor : it gives you the version number of your linux kernel
[03:30] <andalucia> I need from you guys the GDM theme that is used in 5.10 please
[03:30] <andalucia> can someone tar it and send it to me please ?
[03:30] <_xxx_> [17:29:32]  _xxx_: fuck !
[03:30] <_xxx_> [17:29:50]  _xxx_: you shit in my ass
[03:30] <lastnode> clem_yeats, it goes to a blank screen with a blinking "_"
[03:30] <Snusmumriken> now i got the pop up again.. It's in swedish but i will try to translate..
[03:30] <lastnode> and just wont wake up from there
[03:30] <_xxx_> russia
[03:30] <Smegzor> they match
[03:30] <_xxx_> i rusia
[03:30] <clem_yeats> lastnode : I get that as well, but it comes back to X after a sec or 2..
[03:31] <deFrysk> Smegzor, then do what othomas suggested
[03:31] <bimberi> tks apokryphos, just about to !ops
[03:31] <Smegzor> roger
[03:31] <Gobbla> lol
[03:31] <lastnode> clem_yeats, maybe i should just wait?
[03:31] <lastnode> but ive already tried for ages
[03:32] <lastnode> lol
[03:32] <clem_yeats> lol
[03:32] <lastnode> who was that?
[03:32] <Snusmumriken> "I can't start the x-server (your graphic <something>). probabli it isn't configured right. do you wanna se the data from the x-server to analyze the problem_
[03:32] <lastnode> :D
[03:32] <Answer> Question: How do I add proftpd to my init.d so it will run on startup ?
[03:33] <deFrysk> if i could Answer that question Answer I would Answer it
[03:33] <clem_yeats> Answer : doesn't apt take care of that when you install proftpd ?
[03:33] <Smegzor> ok edited.  and I just run grub by itself?  doing that now..  being probed :O
[03:33] <pybe-lappy> Answer: doesnt it do that anyway?
[03:33] <Whistler> i just dowloaded a bunch of xorg updates, will ati drivers work on breezy now?
[03:33] <Snusmumriken> When i the data i just get some info about the kernel
[03:33] <pybe-lappy> Answer: did you install through apt?
[03:33] <Answer> apt-get does not prompt to add to the init.d  on reinstall
[03:34] <Answer> apt-get only prompts to add to the init.d on the first install (which was many moons ago)
[03:34] <Lord_nikon> Whisler:mine doesn't work yet
[03:34] <cusco> Answer: apt-get remove --purge proftpd
[03:34] <cusco> then reinstall it
[03:34] <cusco> it will prompt again
[03:34] <Answer> ahhh
[03:34] <cusco> Im sure there is a easyer way to just add it to the init.d tho
[03:35] <Answer> cusco: Thanks  "apt-get remove --purge proftpd"
[03:35] <clem_yeats> Answer : you need to have a SSR script in init.d and a link to it in your rc2.d folder (you're running runlevel 2 right ?)
[03:35] <after8> u can use update-rc.d
[03:35] <cusco> Answer: you're welcome
[03:35] <Smegzor> yay!  this looks promising..  ran update-grub.  rebooting now.  brb (I hope)
[03:35] <Answer> clem_yeats: everything you just said is over my head.  I think i'll try --purge and reinstall
[03:35] <clem_yeats> Answer : otherwise you can use update-rc.d as after8 mentioned.
[03:36] <clem_yeats> yes, or reinstall...
[03:36] <Answer> after8 clem_yeats:  Tell me more about update-rc.d
[03:36] <clem_yeats> man it
[03:36] <clem_yeats> or read the debian reference and FAQ, it covers the Debian init procedure very well.
[03:36] <after8> sudo update-rc.d proftpd defaults..... but man to be more informed ;)
[03:36] <chipmunk> hi.
[03:37] <lastnode_> btw
[03:37] <lastnode_> this nick is not regged
[03:37] <chipmunk> is there a program for this ubuntu to view webcams from yahoo messenger?
[03:37] <lastnode_> and it didnt push me to #ubuntu-unregged
[03:37] <lastnode_> :s
[03:37] <Snusmumriken> when i type startx i det this : XIO: fatal IO error 104 (connection reset by peer) on x server":0.0" after 0 requests (oknown processed) with 0 events remaining.
[03:37] <apokryphos> lastnode_: channel mode is not set to +r currently, yes.
[03:37] <lastnode_> oh :)
[03:37] <lastnode_> my bad
[03:37] <lastnode_> apokryphos, any idea why my notebook wont wake up from suspend?
[03:37] <chipmunk> is there?please help..
[03:38] <apokryphos> lastnode_: nope, sorry.
[03:38] <Lord_nikon> no
[03:38] <after8> lastnode> they do that sometimes, quite annoying...
[03:38] <lastnode_> after8, any fixes
[03:38] <lastnode_> ?
[03:38] <chipmunk> problem=> program that can view webcam from yahoo messenger, is there please?help
[03:39] <pybe-lappy> chipmunk: im pretty sure not
[03:39] <Snusmumriken> apokryphos can u help me?
[03:39] <apokryphos> Snusmumriken: with?
[03:39] <after8> chipmunk> its gonna happen soonish with gaim i think..... cutting edge for now though
[03:39] <bur[n] er> bah... gnome-panel is crap
[03:39] <after8> or was it aMSN ?
[03:39] <chipmunk> wat do u mean pybe-lapp?
[03:39] <chipmunk> oh =(
[03:40] <after8> bur[n] er> i have to agree...
[03:40] <othomas> burner: install KDE..and KDM..problem solved..:)
[03:40] <wordyfellow> greetings all
[03:40] <bur[n] er> heh... that's worse othomas ;)
[03:40] <Smegzor> :(  no joy.  It still stops at the GRUB> prompt
[03:40] <Snusmumriken> XOI: fatal IO erreor 104 (connection reset by peer) on x server ":0.0" after 0 requests (0known processed= with 0 events remaining
[03:40] <othomas> lol burner
[03:41] <apokryphos> Snusmumriken: this is on startx?
[03:41] <Snusmumriken> yep
[03:41] <topyli> ahh. gotta love putty
[03:41] <after8> Smegzor> what does?
[03:41] <Smegzor> maybe if I bang my head on a brick wall it will work? :)
[03:41] <topyli> certainly
[03:41] <lastnode_> after8, sorry to ask again but - know any fixes for the notebook problem?
[03:41] <Smegzor> I can't boot my pc automatically atm.  I have to get typing at the grub prompt
[03:41] <wordyfellow> I just did a fresh installl of Ubuntu.  Does anyone know if there is a default password for the root account?
[03:41] <thenuke> wordyfellow: nope
[03:41] <thenuke> wordyfellow: use sudo
[03:42] <topyli> nobody knows
[03:42] <lastnode_> wordyfellow, it's your pass
[03:42] <bur[n] er> !tell wordyfellow about sudo
[03:42] <lastnode_> use sudo -s
[03:42] <lastnode_> and your pass
[03:42] <apokryphos> Snusmumriken: that's not really enough infos. Could you pastebin anything else you get?
[03:42] <Blazint> Hi all, adobe acrobat reader 7.0 crashes in breezy... any clue to fix this?
[03:42] <othomas> smegzor..wb..sorry, i guess reinstall is all that is left
[03:42] <thenuke> lastnode_: it is not his pass. there is no pass for root account
[03:42] <apokryphos> Snusmumriken: have you tried configuring your X?
[03:42] <bimberi> asking that question is instant popularity :)
[03:42] <bur[n] er> Blazint: use evnice?
[03:42] <lastnode_> thenuke, isnt it his user account password?
[03:42] <sriauto> kkk
[03:42] <bur[n] er> Blazint: evince even
[03:42] <iqbala> anyone know how to make the laptop button work to switch between external and internal monitor?
[03:42] <bob2> Blazint: complain to Adobe
[03:42] <Smegzor> :O  not reinstalling the whole OS.  I hope you mean grub?
[03:43] <bob2> iqbala: it's not simple
[03:43] <deFrysk> evince is nice :)
[03:43] <thenuke> lastnode_: root account is disabled in ubuntu.  sudo uses users password
[03:43] <bur[n] er> lastnode_: no... there is no root password
[03:43] <othomas> smeghzor..YES, just grub
[03:43] <thenuke> lastnode_: and sudo is different thing than a root account
[03:43] <iqbala> bob2 i am listening
[03:43] <bob2> lastnode_: wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo
[03:43] <lastnode_> yeah sorry semantic error
[03:43] <sriauto> hgai
[03:43] <bob2> iqbala: no, it's really not simple
[03:43] <Blazint> ok. i will try evince . but it's a bit slow on my machine
[03:43] <Snusmumriken> hmm.. it also said: fatal server error: no screens found
[03:43] <Smegzor> :)  brb  off to do that
[03:43] <bob2> iqbala: if you're not a kernel hacker...
[03:43] <lastnode_> what i meant was that you can do root@hostname$: with sudo -s
[03:43] <lastnode_> ?
[03:43] <lastnode_> cant you?
[03:43] <iqbala> any link or idea
[03:43] <apokryphos> Snusmumriken: try reconfiguring your X; sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[03:43] <sorush20> has anyone here managed to fix the thunderbird default user access problem..
[03:44] <topyli> lastnode_: sure
[03:44] <iqbala> xmodemap or something to use against the keycode?
[03:44] <bur[n] er> sorush20: killall mozilla-thunderbird and start it again
[03:44] <bob2> lastnode_: yes...
[03:44] <pybe> exit
[03:44] <pybe> ha ha
[03:44] <deFrysk>  /
[03:45] <Snusmumriken> it asks for a password
[03:45] <pybe-lappy> heh I know to many things happening
[03:45] <Smegzor> um..  where does x-chat keep logs of this chat?
[03:45] <deFrysk> use username passwd
[03:45] <apokryphos> Snusmumriken: well, it is a command requiring root perms, hence it's prefixed with sudo
[03:45] <deFrysk> Smegzor, ubuntu keeps logs
[03:45] <Blazint> Snusmumriken, it's your own password
[03:45] <topyli> what was the irssi "change window" command again?
[03:46] <bimberi> Smegzor: see /topic
[03:46] <Smegzor> failing that.  I need the 2 urls I was given not long ago, repasted.
[03:46] <Answer> Settings -> Preferneces -> Logging
[03:46] <iqbala> bob2 I am using HP nc6220
[03:46] <Snusmumriken> but i don't know what the default root password is..
[03:46] <bob2> iqbala: great.  all you can do is file a bug and hope someone fixes it, or pay someone to fix it for you.
[03:46] <bob2> or learn how to hack the acpi code.
[03:46] <bob2> Snusmumriken: wiki.ubuntu.com/Rootsudo
[03:46] <Puff-n-Stuff> SyaZaLoveNabiL, please do not send me spam when I join the channel.
[03:46] <iqbala> bob2 thnx
[03:47] <Puff-n-Stuff> SyaZaLoveNabiL, I do not need the porn spam, thank you very much.
[03:47] <sriauto> anybody want joint me?
[03:47] <Puff-n-Stuff> ok...quicky question...how would one go about figuring out what /dev/ device a usb to serial adapter sets up when it connects?
[03:47] <sox> hi, can anyone tell me where can I copy my truefonts to use them with openoffice?
[03:47] <bur[n] er> Puff-n-Stuff: lsusb ?
[03:48] <bur[n] er> sox: open nautilus fonts:/// and drop them
[03:48] <othomas> P&S: mine uses sda1
[03:48] <topyli> Puff-n-Stuff: you think you're talking to a person?
[03:48] <Puff-n-Stuff> bur[n] er, that shows the usb devices...Im trying to figure out what the /dev/ entry is for the virtual serial port..
[03:48] <Puff-n-Stuff> topyli, one can hope...but apparently its a bot.
[03:49] <bur[n] er> oh , i dunno then Puff-n-Stuff ;)
[03:49] <topyli> probly
[03:49] <sriauto> anybody want joint me?
[03:49] <sriauto> anybody want joint me?
[03:49] <sriauto> anybody want joint me?
[03:49] <apokryphos> sriauto: do not flood the channel
[03:49] <pybe-lappy> no
[03:49] <deFrysk> joint ? I dont smoke
[03:49] <sox> thanks :D
[03:50] <Answer> Please do not encourage the trolls!
[03:50] <deFrysk> Smegzor, plz no privating
[03:51] <Smegzor> ok.  but I didn't want to spam for that in here
[03:52] <topyli> this damn keybd is not exactly irssi- certified :(
[03:52] <Smegzor> i've lost the 2 urls I was given, no logging, no history, nadda.  I had to reboot.  Could someone throw them at me please?
[03:52] <apokryphos> ubotu: tell Smegzor about logs
[03:52] <deFrysk> Smegzor, if  sudo /sbin/grub-install /dev/hda does not work you might have to reinstall ubuntu
[03:52] <Whistler> anybody got breezy+ ati working ?
[03:53] <Smegzor> hmm..  that has failed twice so far.
[03:53] <Smegzor> I'll keep trying
[03:53] <topyli> deFrysk: that won't work. grub would call it hd(0,0)
[03:53] <deFrysk> topyli, what would you do ?
[03:54] <topyli> deFrysk: grub-install hd(0,0)
[03:54] <Answer> Smegzor : I have all the urls, which are u looking for ?
[03:54] <deFrysk> Smegzor, try what topyli just said
[03:55] <Snusmumriken> i have configured it twice but i stil get the same error
[03:55] <sox> fonts:/// doesn't works....
[03:55] <bur[n] er> fonts:/
[03:55] <Smegzor> i'll try anything at the moment :)  I may not need the urls..
[03:55] <sox> oh :D
[03:55] <Snusmumriken> apokryphos: i have configured it twice but still get the same error
[03:55] <sox> ... no, not works
[03:55] <deFrysk> Smegzor, and bookmark the urls ;p
[03:55] <bur[n] er> although, both work for me sox
[03:56] <sox> invalid protocol
[03:56] <bur[n] er> "nautilus fonts:///" :P
[03:56] <sox> really?
[03:56] <Smegzor> :P
[03:56] <sox> :S
[03:56] <jeanre> how big is the upgrade from warty to hoary?
[03:56] <bob2> hundreds of megs
[03:56] <deFrysk> jeanre, about 600 megs
[03:56] <sox> oops
[03:56] <jeanre> damn
[03:56] <jeanre> I can not do that
[03:56] <sox> I was tiping fontz :D
[03:56] <topyli> Smegzor: firs chroot to your root partition so that you actally have grub to install :)
[03:56] <sox> ok
[03:56] <sox> right :D
[03:57] <apokryphos> Snusmumriken: you should generally be getting that error if your xorg.conf isn't set up currectly. What type ofcard do you have?
[03:57] <apokryphos> Snusmumriken: and, is this breezy?
[03:57] <Snusmumriken> ofcard?
[03:57] <apokryphos> Snusmumriken: graphics card. NVidia? ATI?
[03:57] <Snusmumriken> ati
[03:57] <deFrysk> coffee :)
[03:57] <apokryphos> ubotu: tell Snusmumriken about ati
[03:58] <topyli> Tough
[03:58] <lastnode_> this suspend thing bothers me
[03:58] <lastnode_> isn't there a list of fixes i can try?
[04:00] <icc14> anyone give me a link on the steps to setup yahoo messenger
[04:00] <lastnode_> icc14, use gaim
[04:00] <lastnode_> comes with ubuntu default install
[04:00] <lastnode_> look under applications > internet
[04:00] <Smegzor> ok.  rebooting again :|
[04:00] <deFrysk> icc14, yahoo messenger howto is on yahoo.com
[04:00] <lastnode_> you can setup your yahoo account in that
[04:00] <dbzdeath> [21:59]  <SyaZaLoveNabiL> http://www.geocities.com/malaybitchvids/malaybitch.zip <--- Download Now Free For Preview!! We Have Malay Bitch On Action!! <--- user is spamming
[04:00] <Answer> icc14: nicotine is another alternative im program (but gaim is default)
[04:00] <icc14> no explanation re: dependencies
[04:01] <mjr> isn't nicotine mostly for p2p file sharing with chat added? :)
[04:01] <lastnode_> Answer, dude, like don't advocate smoking. :D
[04:01] <deFrysk> Answer, nicotine ?
[04:01] <freshmint> where do i get a list of ubuntu's main component?
[04:01] <freewoody> How do I remove my Squid Cache ?
[04:01] <deFrysk> nicotine is a p2p program (pyslsk)
[04:01] <apokryphos> bur[n] er: what's the problem?
[04:01] <freewoody> Squid's Cache is getting full so I need to delete all the contents of my Cache
[04:02] <icc14> pls
[04:02] <icc14> anyone??
[04:02] <iqbala> bob2 I just realized the ubuntu I downloaded is customized for HP laptop and my fn key does work now
[04:02] <iqbala> thanks for the help
[04:02] <lastnode_> iqbala, function key works on mine too
[04:02] <Earthen> could someone tell me what the miicrosoft-dn service is?
[04:02] <lastnode_> and it's unbranded :)
[04:02] <iqbala> lastnode_ kewl
[04:02] <bur[n] er> apokryphos: SyaZaLoveNabiL is a nasty porn spamme
[04:03] <dbzdeath> hmmm shall i take the breezy plunge...
[04:03] <deFrysk> dbzdeath, looking at your name.... I wouldnt
[04:03] <iqbala> i got my old logitech cam workin too
[04:03] <icc14> anyone show me the steps to install yahoo messenger including dependencies
[04:03] <reiki_work> I should probably shut my machine off when I go to work... I wonder if leaving it on is eating batteries in my wireless mouse and keyboard :)
[04:03] <iqbala> ubuntu seems lot easier that fedora core 4..
[04:03] <xukun> anybody using Beezy? ist still very unstable to try?
[04:03] <dbzdeath> deFrysk: um?... why?
[04:03] <[Wiebel] > it's running fine here
[04:03] <othomas> lol, apok
[04:03] <iqbala> i used to use that and have some difficulties to make things work
[04:04] <bob2> xukun: it still has some issues, especially with nvidia binary modules
[04:04] <apokryphos> geh
[04:04] <Smegzor> IT WORKED! :)  You guys are awesome :D
[04:04] <xukun> bob2, so that is no go yet?
[04:04] <reiki_work> apokryphos: I've done that before... I used to be opper on a windows channel in efnet :)
[04:04] <othomas> good deal smegzor
[04:05] <deFrysk> Smegzor, great :)
[04:05] <icc14> help
[04:05] <Smegzor> now I can boot into Windows ;)  jk
[04:05] <iqbala> Smegzor what worked ..sorry I missed it.. i am new in ubuntu too.. may be something i sh'd know too :-)
[04:05] <apokryphos> reiki: I've just changed my irc client (using kvirc now) -- taking some getting used to =)
[04:05] <deFrysk> icc14, good question :D
[04:05] <reiki_work> hehehe
[04:06] <Smegzor> nothing earth shattering.  I dual boot,  Windows craps on other OS's boot loaders.  And the official guide to restoring grub doesn't (in my case) restore it.
[04:06] <iqbala> Smegzor gotcha.. thnx
[04:07] <bob2> xukun: you should be fine unless you care about the nvidia binary drivers
[04:07] <Smegzor> thanks again guys.  I'm out of your hair now..  till I break it next time :)
[04:08] <sriauto> 3
[04:08] <Marconian> hello, ppl
[04:08] <reiki_work> Smegzor: I bought a dataport cage and 2 carriers (removeable drives!) I lovk in Ubuntu drive and I am an Ubuntu machine. *IF* I need XP for something (hasn't happened in about a month now) I can shut down, slide out the ubuntu drive, insert XP drive and boot to XP
[04:08] <Marconian> could anyone please help me? :D
[04:08] <sambagirl> wow 66 updates applied
[04:08] <emanuelez> hello
[04:09] <icc14> help me with my yahoo messenger pls
[04:09] <deFrysk> icc14, yahoo messenger howto is on yahoo.com
[04:09] <Answer> icc14: Do Not Use Yahoo Messenger.  Use GAIM
[04:09] <Smegzor> heh  that would be nice.  they have that at work.  I am jealous :)
[04:09] <Marconian> i want to install thunderbird in my language, but i couldn't
[04:09] <emanuelez> on boot my system spends A LOT of time installing network devices... any hint?
[04:10] <sambagirl> maybe is translating from espanol to ingles? :)
[04:10] <sambagirl> takes time
[04:10] <Impiiii> hi all
[04:10] <highvoltage> hi Impiiii
[04:10] <Impiiii> :D
[04:10] <Marconian> any Brazilian here?
[04:11] <sambagirl> transplanted brazilians counting?
[04:11] <sambagirl> bbl chao
[04:11] <Impiiii> hmm happy that I found the irc client in ubuntu =D
[04:11] <Gorgonzola> hmm, gotta get up for work in 6 hours... better go to bed, night all
[04:11] <sambagirl> marcnian private message
[04:11] <sambagirl> fala portugese?
[04:12] <Marconian> i do
[04:12] <sambagirl> bbl chao
[04:12] <Impiiii> hm so there is anything like a perform in xchat?
[04:12] <dbzdeath> is there still the option for server install for breezy?
[04:12] <reiki_work> perform?
[04:12] <Impiiii> hmm
[04:13] <Impiiii> an option that you not always have to type in the channels on every startup
[04:13] <apokryphos> dbzdeath: yes, of course.
[04:13] <dbzdeath> good
[04:13] <deFrysk> Impiiii, yes
[04:13] <reiki_work> Impiiii: yes
[04:13] <Impiiii> so where is it ^
[04:13] <Impiiii> ^
[04:13] <deFrysk> xlick xchat button in xchat and check it out
[04:14] <deFrysk> xchat serverlist edit
[04:14] <Impiiii> ah k
[04:14] <reiki_work> I was happy with Chatzilla, but when firefox crashes it takes out the chatzilla client too :)
[04:14] <Impiiii> thx :)
[04:14] <nanomad> can i ask here a question regarding breezy?
[04:15] <deFrysk> asking to ask is not done here nanomad
[04:15] <wordyfellow> I just re-installed ubuntu - it never prompted me for the root password, i did give me a prompt for a user account.  So I am trying to figure out how to get to an account with administrative privilages.
[04:16] <deFrysk> wordyfellow, ubuntu uses sudo
[04:16] <apokryphos> ubotu: tell wordyfellow about root
[04:16] <deFrysk> !sudo
[04:16] <ubotu> rumour has it, sudo is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[04:16] <deFrysk> bust bot
[04:16] <deFrysk> busy
[04:16] <nanomad> ok...so, i have a problem with my scanner. if i run xsane as root, all's ok. if i run it as normal user, no go
[04:16] <Snusmumriken> apokryphos: Now i got it almost running.. But my keyboard aren't working.. only numbers and special symbols :S
[04:16] <nanomad> ive searched under /dev/usb, but i cant find device scanner
[04:16] <apokryphos> Snusmumriken: are you sure you specified the correct keyboard type?
[04:17] <wordyfellow> thanks, I am looking up info on wiki
[04:17] <othomas> wordy: the pther way is to go into user manager and then click show all users then change roots password..then you need to go into GDM manager and select "allow root login locally"
[04:17] <Earthen> I just installed fire starter and i am getting alot if inbound traffic but no outbound traffic, is this right?
[04:17] <Snusmumriken> apokryphos: no, and i have no idea how to do that
[04:18] <apokryphos> Snusmumriken: when you were configuring your X, it asked what type. Generic keyboard should generally work
[04:18] <Snusmumriken> but i doesnt
[04:19] <apokryphos> it really does
[04:19] <apokryphos> Snusmumriken: though, you can just take a look at your xorg.conf
[04:19] <Marconian> i want to install thunderbird in my language, but i couldn't
[04:19] <Snusmumriken> And how do i do that? The same way as before?
[04:19] <Marconian> any help?
[04:20] <apokryphos> Snusmumriken: xorg.conf is a file -- /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[04:20] <Snusmumriken> ok..
[04:20] <nanomad> no one can help?
[04:20] <wordyfellow> lol - i see, root is disabled initially.  That answers my question.  Now I am trying to figure out how to configure my wireless linkys card under ubutu.
[04:21] <Marconian> sambagirl, are you there?
[04:21] <Snusmumriken> ok.. I have opened the file and found the keyboard drivers.. but i don't understand anything..
[04:22] <Earthen_> can someone help with firestarter setup?
[04:23] <Snusmumriken> apokryphos: what shall i cahnge then?
[04:23] <apokryphos> Snusmumriken: what Identifier does your keyboard have? Is it Generic?
[04:24] <Snusmumriken> yep
[04:25] <Snusmumriken> maybe it's this.. XkbVariant "se" and MkbOptions "se"
[04:25] <emanuelez> on boot my system spends A LOT of time installing network devices... any hint?
[04:26] <nanomad> emanuelez, do u have dhcp on your lan?
[04:26] <apokryphos> Snusmumriken: you want a Swedish keyboard, no?
[04:26] <sorush20> guys I keep trying to log onto ubuntu as default it not working.. I have tried deleting the default lock, shutting down thunderbird completely, but its no use.. any help
[04:26] <ds[de] > if I want to install ubuntu and winxp on the same harddrive, would it matter which OS I'd install first? maybe it's easier if I install one of these two first?
[04:27] <emanuelez> nanomad: i have a laptop so i often change network settings.. somtimes i use wireless, sometimes i use cables...
[04:27] <Renski> ds[de] : yes it does
[04:27] <Snusmumriken> i am swedish..
[04:27] <ds[de] > Renski: what would you recommend to install first?
[04:27] <Renski> ds[de] : install winxp first, as it has a habit of wiping the MBR, which wipes the bootloader.
[04:27] <apokryphos> Snusmumriken: that's a yes, then. XkbRules is xorg?
[04:27] <Snusmumriken> yep.
[04:27] <othomas> ds{de}: i would do XP first..windows tends to load it's own mbr
[04:28] <apokryphos> Snusmumriken: what driver?
[04:28] <nanomad> emanuelez, you should try to configure your eth card with a static ip
[04:28] <ds[de] > Renski/othomas: ok, thanks for your answer
[04:28] <Snusmumriken> keybord..
[04:28] <othomas> ur welcome ds
[04:28] <emanuelez> i think that the gnome networg configuration utility has done the mess
[04:28] <apokryphos> Snusmumriken: do you have "kbd"?
[04:28] <emanuelez> i wish i could have a virgin network setup everytime i boot my comp
[04:29] <Snusmumriken> dunno..
[04:29] <emanuelez> nanomad: ops... forgot to write your name to solor highlight my previous 2 messages
[04:29] <Snusmumriken> What's that?
[04:29] <apokryphos> Snusmumriken: well, what does the xorg.conf say?
[04:29] <nanomad> emanuelez, np, i read them
[04:29] <apokryphos> Snusmumriken: it's probably easier if you just pastebin that whole section
[04:30] <Snusmumriken> Identifier "Generic Keyboard"
[04:30] <apokryphos> Snusmumriken: no, don't paste in here.
[04:30] <apokryphos> ubotu: tell Snusmumriken about paste
[04:30] <nanomad> emanuelez, on my laptop, i takes a huge time 'cause it tries to initialize both wlan and lan
[04:30] <boman_> !paste
[04:30] <ubotu> I heard paste is please use http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/ or #flood to paste large amounts of text
[04:31] <nanomad> emanuelez, so ive configured the lan with a static ip and disabled the wlan at boot time
[04:31] <nanomad> emanuelez, now it is better
[04:32] <chipmunk> any program that i can use my webcam in this ubuntu?
[04:32] <oam> I just installed a software raid, and rebooted after it was done building the raid and after the cration of a filesystem on it(xfs). Ubuntu no crashes during boot. I saw a similar post last night, anyone got any ideas on why on earth it would crash?
[04:32] <Snusmumriken> Can i paste in PM?
[04:32] <oam> Snusmumriken: use the url, code/configs on irc is awfull
[04:32] <apokryphos> Snusmumriken: ok, go for it. Generally you should use a pastebin service though.
[04:32] <nanomad> chipmunk, gnomemeeting should
[04:33] <chipmunk> oh
[04:33] <chipmunk> il try
[04:33] <chipmunk> thanks nanomad
[04:33] <nanomad> np
[04:33] <chipmunk> =)
[04:35] <emanuelez> nanomad: how did u disable wlan? if i disable it from gnome it keeps loading it on the next boot
[04:35] <oam> Made a software raid1 a year ago with gentoo,no problems, but something borked here :(
[04:35] <yahalom> is the new gnome editor actually smeg?
[04:35] <emanuelez> nanomad: it would be cool if i could background the dhcl search
[04:35] <oam> yahalom: all gui editors are besides visual studio and eclipse ;)
[04:36] <emanuelez> dhcp* as in knoppix boot
[04:37] <Snusmumriken> apokryphos: u got it?
[04:37] <apokryphos> Snusmumriken: nope. You apparently didn't send it.
[04:37] <Keizer> Hey guys, what's the PDF reader that Ubuntu uses?
[04:38] <oam> Keizer: err?
[04:38] <oam> Keizer: isn't there one ad the adobe webpage?
[04:38] <cmatheson> ok so i got a new isp... and now for some reason all my linux boxen are unable to connect w/ gaim, irc, most websites w/ firefox, etc.  everything works fine on my family's windows box(es).  the strangest thing is that i can connect to Yahoo! M$N etc using centercicq, and links is able to browse all pages.... if i connect to other networks everything works fine (as normal), this is blowing my mind and i don't get it.  any clues?
[04:39] <oam> ad at
[04:39] <Keizer> oam: What are you talking about?
[04:39] <oam> pdf reader
[04:40] <dcraven> cmatheson: Are you using a router? If so, try logging into that and releasing/renewing your lease. I've had strange behaviour like that when my IP changes.
[04:40] <Whistler> cmatheson take a look at your dns maybe they are set up in wrong way
[04:41] <cmatheson> dcraven: rad, i'll check that out... (have to do it at later, i was forced to wait til work to ask since i can't get on irc at home heh)
[04:41] <dcraven> cmatheson: rad ;-)
[04:41] <cmatheson> Whistler: i was thinking that too, but everthing resolves, i'm just having problems connecting... that rules out the possibility of dns does it not? (i may not understand these things completely)
[04:42] <Whistler> cmatheson maybe your linux and windows ips are different and router blocks it
[04:42] <Whistler> or smt with router
[04:42] <Snusmumriken> apokryphos: Driver Keyboard, CoreKeyboard, rules xorg, model pc105, layout se, variant se, options se
[04:42] <sproingie> Whistler's theory is a good one
[04:42] <sproingie> that's exactly what happens to me
[04:43] <Whistler> :)
[04:43] <Whistler> i had a lot of trouble with router
[04:43] <apokryphos> Snusmumriken: try changing Driver Keyboard to Driver "kbd", and then xkbmodel to pc104. Then restart your X. If that doesn't work, then I don't know...
[04:43] <Whistler> i figured them out
[04:43] <sproingie> my router is smart enough to run a dns proxy so i never need to worry about the other stuff dhcp sets
[04:44] <randomuser123343> hello
[04:44] <cmatheson> Whistler: hmm, so the dhcp might assign faulty information to me?
[04:44] <Whistler> exept port forwarding
[04:44] <Whistler> cmatheson may be
[04:44] <Whistler> try to set the static ip
[04:44] <cmatheson> Whistler: i thought i compared my stuff w/  the windoze boxes, but i'll check again when i get home thanks
[04:44] <Whistler> np :
[04:44] <Whistler> :)
[04:45] <hmrocha> i have a cups server exporting some printers
[04:45] <oam> oh joy, building a raid today to, weee
[04:45] <randomuser123343> could anyone tell me what libraries do i need in order to play avi files with totem?
[04:45] <hmrocha> i want students to only see one printer, how can I do that?
[04:45] <apokryphos> randomuser123343: it depends on how they're encoded; avi is just a placeholder, really.
[04:45] <apokryphos> ubotu: tell randomuser123343 about w32codecs
[04:46] <randomuser123343> xvid
[04:46] <othomas> randomuser: yes, get kaffeine
[04:46] <Snusmumriken> apokryphos: problem is.. i can't change my x when i can't type :S'
[04:46] <apokryphos> Snusmumriken: when you're out of X your keyboard is fine? That's weird.
[04:47] <Snusmumriken> no.. i'm sitting with my laptog right now..'
[04:47] <Jlorn> d
[04:47] <Snusmumriken> laptop*
[04:47] <StarScream> Xbroken in  breezy again?
[04:47] <StarScream> or am i just broken?
[04:48] <indypende> someone had 3d acceleration in breezy with ati 9*** series?
[04:48] <dcraven> Snusmumriken: Maybe you can ssh in from where you are and change the file? (I'm only seeing the last bit of the whole conversation, so I may be talkin' out my butt)
[04:48] <Snusmumriken> apokryphos: my keyboard on the computer with linux doesn't work, this is my laptop..
[04:49] <apokryphos> Snusmumriken: yes. On your laptop, when you're not in X, you say that it works fine
[04:49] <apokryphos> works fine?
[04:49] <Snusmumriken> oh.. now i got it :P Yes then it works
[04:50] <indypende> i install newest ati drivers. all ok but i can't use hardware 3d acceleration!
[04:50] <indypende> in hoary all was ok with fglrx!
[04:51] <apokryphos> Snusmumriken: if you don't get a reply here from anyone else, I recommend posting to the mailing list/forum, telling them that (that it works when you're not in X), and paste them that part of the file
[04:51] <evanpro> apt-get install ia32-libs
[04:51] <evanpro> unable to create `./usr/lib32/libGL.so.1.2': No such file or directory
[04:51] <evanpro> Sucks
[04:51] <apokryphos> Snusmumriken: you can try doing what I said, though -- altering your xorg.conf. Just go out of X and use nano -- should be alright.
[04:51] <Snusmumriken> and how to i exit x?
[04:51] <othomas> snusmumriken: use apt-get to install mc..the command is apt-get install mc ..then type "mc" at the prompt..you should be able to edit the X config file then
[04:52] <evanpro> Snusmumriken, Ctl + Alt + Backspace
[04:52] <[Wiebel] > what happend to xorgcfg anyway? :)
[04:52] <Whistler> does male mean girl?
[04:52] <Whistler> :D
[04:52] <apokryphos> evanpro: nah, that'll restart X in most cases.
[04:52] <[Wiebel] > it's no longer in breezy
[04:52] <apokryphos> Snusmumriken: you can change to a terminal session by typing ctrl+alt+f1-6
[04:53] <Whistler> does male mean girl?
[04:53] <Whistler> anybody?
[04:53] <Whistler> i forgot :D
[04:53] <othomas> male means boy
[04:53] <Snusmumriken> it works with ctrl + ALT + backspace
[04:54] <apokryphos> ok, cool.
[04:55] <indypende> someone had 3d acceleration in breezy with ati 9*** series?
[04:55] <indypende> i install newest ati drivers. all ok but i can't use hardware 3d acceleration!
[04:55] <Snusmumriken> it couldn't find mc
[04:55] <indypende> in hoary all was ok with fglrx!
[04:55] <Whistler> indypende i have same prob
[04:55] <liran_> sk
[04:55] <liran_> eek, damn keyboard
[04:55] <liran_> :p
[04:55] <Whistler> indypende you are on breezy wright?
[04:56] <indypende> Whistler, yes
[04:56] <indypende> Whistler, bad problem
[04:56] <Snusmumriken> apokryphos: it coldn't find mc
[04:56] <vieirar> Can someone help me I don ot remember what i had to put in my fstab to allow users to view files on NTFS partitions
[04:56] <indypende> Whistler, i launch also a bug tracking
[04:57] <indypende> Whistler, because i got this error from an update from hoary to breezy!
[04:58] <indypende> Whistler, sorry for my bad english!
[04:58] <Whistler> indypende	
[04:58] <Whistler> i updated from hoary too :)
[04:59] <indypende> i want to solve this problem before start a brand new installation of breezy (fantastic_breezy) when become official!
[04:59] <Jlorn> how does hoary compare with FC4
[04:59] <othomas> snusmumriken: you have to go into the repository list and add the support and international lists..
[05:00] <heartEye> what do I do with a .BIN file?  I want to install java for my browser
[05:00] <pr0tocol> helloooo everyone :)
[05:01] <indypende> Whistler, have you see this thread http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=64234&page=1&pp=10
[05:01] <orospakr> heartEye, chmod +x java-installer.bin
[05:01] <Snusmumriken> It uses the gnome config rather than the x config..
[05:01] <indypende> i find no solution... but you maybe can...
[05:01] <othomas> heart: you make it executable and then type ./java*** etc.bin
[05:01] <orospakr> heartEye, also, you should consider using the blackdown java packages for debian instead
[05:01] <funkyHat> heartEye, orospakr there is a package in the ubuntu repositories for installing java
[05:01] <jameswfrost> hello
[05:01] <orospakr> funkyHat, oh
[05:02] <entvex> i need help :-/
[05:02] <pr0tocol> can anyone help me right quick.  I'm getting an X server error talking about "Caught Signal 11", anyone know what this is?
[05:02] <orospakr> funkyHat, I thought I just had to add blackdown for that.
[05:02] <entvex> agen
[05:02] <Snusmumriken> apokryphos: It uses the GNOME settings
[05:02] <pr0tocol> entvex: ask your question
[05:02] <AVR_GR> where can i download tha vmware?
[05:02] <heartEye> funkyHat, I have java-common installed and java does not work on webpages
[05:02] <funkyHat> orospakr, you still use the .bin from the sun website, you just use the package to extract and created a .deb from the .bin
[05:02] <jameswfrost> does anyone have experience with the Netgear WG311 or WG311T wireless adaptor on ubuntu? I've read in some places that it's supposed to work out of the box. can anyone confirm this, please?
[05:02] <entvex> i cant finet /etc/asound.conf
[05:02] <orospakr> funkyHat, aah
[05:02] <heartEye> mozilla says the plug-in is called x-java-wm
[05:02] <heartEye> vm
[05:03] <entvex> do you have /etc/asound.conf ????
[05:03] <ompaul> Jlorn, for one it is not a model of how an operating system may look, it is the release - debian in origin it relies on a different format for package management, but get this, if you try it you'll like it :-)  [seriously what did you expect, but funny enough it is in a word, great] 
[05:03] <pr0tocol> anyone know about that "Caught signal 11" error in xorg?
[05:03] <entvex> do you have /etc/asound.conf ????
[05:03] <pr0tocol> I get to see the NVIDIA logo, but then it dies
[05:03] <funkyHat> heartEye, heartEye install java-package
[05:03] <pr0tocol> entvex: do  slocate asound.conf
[05:03] <funkyHat> * orospakr
[05:04] <pr0tocol> entvex: that will tell you everywhere it is at
[05:04] <entvex> do som one have /etc/asound.conf ?
[05:04] <apokryphos> Snusmumriken: why are you trying to use mc? And, what uses the gnome settings?
[05:04] <pr0tocol> entvex: dude, I just told you what to do...
[05:04] <Snusmumriken> apokryohos: I got it running now.. some changes in GNOME that I did fixed it.. Thanks for all the help
[05:04] <pr0tocol> hmm..
[05:04] <heartEye> I see no java-package, just java-common and a few other java-related things
[05:04] <pr0tocol> can anyone here lend me a hand with this X server problem?
[05:04] <jameswfrost> Is anyone able to help with what I asked?
[05:04] <entvex> do som one have /etc/asound.conf ?
[05:04] <apokryphos> Snusmumriken: ok, excellent :)
[05:05] <apokryphos> ubotu: tell Snusmumriken about tab
[05:05] <entvex> do som one have /etc/asound.conf ? ? i need it http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=44753&page=1&pp=10&highlight=Add+Sound+Card and i cant finne it
[05:06] <pr0tocol> entvex: look man, for the last time, open console and do a slocate asound.conf
[05:06] <pr0tocol> entvex: and to make things easier for you, no there isn't one
[05:06] <pr0tocol> you can make one yourself, though.  There are examples
[05:06] <rnz> i think there are problems with flash/firefox in breezy. anyone can confirm?
[05:06] <entvex> pr0tocol Thx :) mate
[05:07] <entvex> im in ubuntu now :)
[05:07] <pr0tocol> apokryphos: you know anything about fixing this x server prob I'm having?
[05:07] <ompaul> rnz, no, I watched badger badger badger last night for 10 minutes while I was falling out of my chair lauging
[05:07] <funkyHat> heartEye, do you have universe and multiverse enabled?
[05:07] <apokryphos> pr0tocol: on Breezy? What's the error message?
[05:08] <funkyHat> :/ 167MB more updates
[05:08] <heartEye> yes
[05:08] <Answer> wow
[05:08] <heartEye> well how do I check funkyHat ?
[05:08] <pr0tocol> apokryphos: "Caught signal 11"
[05:08] <Earthen> ompaul: hi
[05:08] <funkyHat> heartEye, if you haven't added them yourself, then you don't have them, follow the tutorial ubotu is about to tell you about to enable the extra repositories, then you should see java-package
[05:08] <ompaul> Earthen, hello
[05:08] <pr0tocol> apokryphos: tells me something about libfb.a:fbmmx.o too, but it tells me that that might not be causing the problem
[05:09] <pr0tocol> saying "No symbols found"
[05:09] <vieirar> Can someone help me I don ot remember what i had to put in my fstab to allow users to view files on NTFS partitions
[05:09] <vieirar> Sorry if this was answered already lost connection
[05:09] <ompaul> !tell vieirar about ntfs
[05:09] <apokryphos> pr0tocol: sig 11 is generally a seg fault. Vague. I probably won't be able to help, but could you pastebin the whole output?
[05:09] <apokryphos> pr0tocol: no luck on the bug report then?
[05:09] <TMM> can I take a minute to express my love for the following message? :"Please restart any running Firefoxes, or you will experience problems.
[05:09] <TMM> "
[05:09] <TMM> cool :)
[05:09] <pr0tocol> apokryphos: one was already filed
[05:10] <pr0tocol> apokryphos: how would I go about pastebinning the thing?
[05:10] <TMM> it has a sense of forboding
[05:10] <TMM> I like it
[05:10] <funkyHat> !pastebin
[05:10] <ubotu> [pastebin]  a site where you can post large texts and screenshots so you don't flood the channel. You can find it at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl
[05:10] <funkyHat> pr0tocol, ^
[05:10] <pr0tocol> thx
[05:11] <TMM> I happen to have a running firefox
[05:11] <icc14> help me with my yahoo messenger pls
[05:11] <funkyHat> np :)
[05:11] <jameswfrost> Does anyone have experience with the Netgear WG311 or WG311T wireless adaptor on ubuntu? I've read in some places that it's supposed to work out of the box. can anyone confirm this, please?
[05:11] <Answer> icc14: Do not use yahoo messenger.  Use GAIM.  Do not continue to ask about yahoo messenger.
[05:11] <jameswfrost> Or with the Linksys WUSB54G? That's what I've got at the moment - I had troubles setting it up with other distros. Anyone?
[05:11] <funkyHat> TMM, updating to breezy?
[05:12] <TMM> funkyHat, yep
[05:12] <Answer> jameswfrost: I cannot get the linksys wireless usb to be recognized in any linux.  linksys's official stance is that they do not support linux
[05:12] <TMM> still no problems
[05:12] <jameswfrost> yeah, that's what I was thinking
[05:12] <rnz> ompaul: http://www.motelsoigne.it/ ?
[05:12] <icc14> whats wrong with YM??
[05:12] <jameswfrost> thanks Answer. That's why I was looking at the Netgear WG311 or 311T
[05:12] <TMM> ahhhh
[05:12] <jameswfrost> I've read in some places that it's supposed to just work
[05:12] <funkyHat> TMM, yeah, i got that message, i wasn't at home at the time though :P
[05:12] <TMM> I'm experiencing problems
[05:12] <jameswfrost> and other places where it doesn't :D
[05:12] <rnz> ompaul: some freeze with motorola.com sometimes
[05:12] <TMM> stupid ubuntu!
[05:12] <jameswfrost> so I was just wondering if anyone could confirm whether it does or not
[05:13] <TMM> I'm having trouble with my firefox
[05:13] <TMM> it could have at least warned me
[05:13] <TMM> :P
[05:13] <wordyfellow> Is there a vendor of wireless cards that recognizes Linux?
[05:13] <jameswfrost> What's wrong with Firefox ,TMM?
[05:13] <jameswfrost> good question wordyfellow :D
[05:13] <wordyfellow> and writes drivers for linux
[05:13] <icc14> what wrong with yahoo messenger?? y dont you support it??
[05:13] <Answer> jameswfrost: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsWirelessNetworkCards
[05:13] <funkyHat> jameswfrost, he's upgrading to breezy, and he's kept it running
[05:13] <_GoRDoN_> Does anybody know where I can download TeleWell modem drivers?
[05:13] <ompaul> rnz, that is that site - not flash
[05:13] <vieirar> ompaul, Thanks
[05:13] <jameswfrost> ah, funkyHat :)
[05:14] <TMM> jameswfrost, dpkg told me to restart any running firefoxes or else I would get trouble, so, naturally, I kept poking at it untill I got trouble :)
[05:14] <jameswfrost> thanks Answer - it does say on there that it should work :D
[05:14] <wordyfellow> lol - ok, thats too easy, i should have looked it up first, before asking.
[05:14] <entvex> im going to reboot now :)
[05:14] <jameswfrost> but some people have said that other things on there were wrong
[05:14] <dcraven> icc14: I think Yahoo supports it no?
[05:14] <ompaul> rnz, so they have a bad web site tell them about being able to talk to any browser they are turning people away
[05:15] <StarScream> hi guys, anyone else having problems with breezy and X ?
[05:15] <bob2> StarScream: are you using the nvidia drivers?
[05:15] <StarScream> bob2: nah, its an ATI card...
[05:15] <bob2> StarScream: using binary drivers?
[05:15] <StarScream> nope
[05:15] <StarScream> OS ones
[05:16] <jameswfrost> Answer - I think the problem with this netgear card is that (as is usually the case!) there are two versions
[05:16] <TMM> and that concludes my breezy update
[05:16] <jameswfrost> one version has an atheros chip and works fine
[05:16] <TMM> time for a reboot :)
[05:16] <TMM> wish me luck
[05:16] <jameswfrost> the other has a different chip
[05:16] <StarScream> bob2: binary interface broken ?
[05:16] <sproingie> speaking of OS drivers, are the r300 drivers in apt anywhere?
[05:16] <pr0tocol> ok guys
[05:17] <pr0tocol> apokryphos: I posted in pastebin already
[05:17] <wordyfellow> hmmmm looks like I am going to have to use ndiswrapper
[05:17] <pr0tocol> so you can check it out
[05:17] <bob2> StarScream: I dunno yet
[05:17] <apokryphos> pr0tocol: link?
[05:17] <bob2> sproingie: the binary ones are
[05:17] <jameswfrost> I think one version works with madwifi, and the other version you have to use ndiswrapper
[05:17] <sproingie> bob2: yah i use those now.  wanted to give the opensource ones a try
[05:17] <bob2> sproingie: have to build from cvs, I gather
[05:17] <pr0tocol> pastebin.ubuntulinux.nl/2208
[05:18] <pr0tocol> oops
[05:18] <pr0tocol> paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2208
[05:18] <Answer> jameswfrost: If you're looking to buy a new wireless card, we have had sucess with Orinoco from Proxim http://www.proxim.com/products/wifi/client/
[05:18] <pr0tocol> apokryphos: it's paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2208
[05:18] <sproingie> bob2: tch.  hope they have a release for them sometime soon
[05:19] <FhaeTon> excuse me good morning, question: does Ubuntu support SLI rigs?
[05:19] <pluffsy> hello. what are special about ubuntu which makes it a great dist? I've been trying to install ubuntu for a few days now with lots of problems I never had with other dists, and I'm thinking of switching to something like debian.
[05:19] <Gobbla> debian is almost the same thing..
[05:19] <bob2> FhaeTon: does X?
[05:19] <pr0tocol> yup
[05:19] <bob2> pluffsy: are you using breezy?
[05:19] <Gobbla> pluffsy, whats the problems then?
[05:19] <FhaeTon> ?
[05:19] <Gnonthgol> How do I change the ip table on my computer?
[05:19] <FhaeTon> X
[05:20] <apokryphos> pr0tocol: I'm not sure I'm afraid, sorry.
[05:20] <Kagome_006> EHLP!
[05:20] <jameswfrost> Answer - thanks! how easy are they to get working?
[05:20] <pr0tocol> apokryphos: no problem... :(
[05:20] <Kagome_006> help! im en
[05:20] <pr0tocol> apokryphos: thanks though,
[05:20] <pr0tocol> hmmm
[05:20] <pr0tocol> anyone else wanna give it a whirl?
[05:20] <pluffsy> bob2: No I'm using 5.04
[05:21] <jameswfrost> pluffsy - that problems are you having?
[05:21] <Kagome_006> i need sum help!
[05:21] <sproingie> Kagome_006: try dc
[05:21] <Kagome_006> how do i get ubuntu to use dial up networking?
[05:21] <dcraven> Kagome_006: I fear you are going about it all wrong.
[05:21] <pluffsy> Gobbla: I can't get dhcp clienting to work (I've tried dhclient, pump and dhcpcd), and nautlius and that menu bobo-whatever won't start they just give unknown error on start.
[05:21] <pluffsy> so I feel quite lost.
[05:21] <Gobbla> :(
[05:21] <Kagome_006> dc: help me pls
[05:22] <sproingie> dc does sums
[05:22] <pluffsy> Gobbla: Default installation :(
[05:22] <Answer> jameswfrost: I have an orinoco classic gold pc card and it works automatically.  we have stacks of proxim cards here and htey have all wokred
[05:22] <Kagome_006> how do i get ubuntu to use dial up networking?
[05:22] <jameswfrost> Answer: PC card as in PCMCIA?
[05:22] <Gnonthgol> pluffsy: does the dhce server work?
[05:22] <Gobbla> pluffsy, even though I havent used debian i dont think you should have much luck there either..
[05:22] <Kagome_006> i have a modem i cant configre it
[05:23] <Answer> jameswfrost:  yes pcmcia,  I have not been able to make any usb wireless card work with any linux distro
[05:23] <bob2> pluffsy: dhcp didn't work?  it's not you who had that weird usb wireless thing, is it?
[05:23] <pluffsy> Gnonthgol: yep, I've used it on YDL and on my mac right now.
[05:23] <w-the-c> is it normal for standby to not work when DRI is enabled?
[05:23] <bob2> w-the-c: depends on your hardware
[05:23] <w-the-c> well, specifically restarting x doesn't work
[05:23] <bob2> w-the-c: and your drivers. if you use binary-only drivers, you generally lose.
[05:23] <w-the-c> I've got and ATI FireGL
[05:23] <pluffsy> bob2: no, just a ethernet card and adsl modem.
[05:23] <pr0tocol> so no one else wants to give it a whirl
[05:24] <w-the-c> it's a Thinkpad...  and I'm trying the fglrx drivers
[05:24] <sproingie> fglrx tends to work better on the desktop cards ... ymmv with laptops
[05:24] <pluffsy> Gobbla: Darn, I really like apt-get and the free software spirit of debian and ubuntu. don't wanna go back to rpm-hell.
[05:24] <apokryphos> pr0tocol: it might be a good idea to post to the mailing-list/forum if you don't get a response here
[05:24] <Kagome_006> [Kagome (Beta)]  Edited By - B|ueFire - Created by Kagome.
[05:25] <Kagome_006> can anyone help me
[05:25] <pr0tocol> synic: you son of a b..
[05:25] <synic> !!
[05:25] <ubotu> I heard ! is what you add before a sentence to talk to me
[05:25] <pr0tocol> synic: WHAT is going on?
[05:25] <Gnonthgol> pluffsy: try use tcpdump or ethereal to find out what might be wrong
[05:25] <w-the-c> ymmv?  ok, I'll check that out
[05:25] <sproingie> i actually like rpm, especially with apt.  i dont like how poorly managed the rpm repos typically are
[05:25] <synic> pr0tocol: dunno, was gonna see if there was any news about the latest breezy updates breaking things.
[05:25] <sproingie> conflicting repos, gack
[05:25] <w-the-c> hmm, I haven't heard anything about ymmv so I'll just search the ubuntu forums...
[05:25] <pr0tocol> synic: dude...lol...yea.  I'm having a slight problem with X myself.  Thats why I'm here
[05:26] <synic> pr0tocol: just upgraded to breezy, or just an update?
[05:26] <w-the-c> thanks for the help
[05:26] <pr0tocol> synic: I'm forced to use console... till I can get X up and running again
[05:26] <sproingie> w-the-c: ymmv == Your Mileage May Vary
[05:26] <pr0tocol> synic: upgraded
[05:26] <synic> pr0tocol: you changed keyboard to kbd in /etc/X11/xorg.conf and installed xfs ?
[05:26] <pluffsy> Gnonthgol: What kind of info could those give me? I have tried typing in the ip info I get from the dhcp server on my mac into ubuntu and then the connection works for a while but then stops and I have to plug-in the mac to get the connection back.
[05:26] <Kagome_006> ......................
[05:26] <Kagome_006> GOD!
[05:26] <Kagome_006> I HAM|VE BEEN WAITING
[05:26] <Kagome_006> NOW IT NEED HELP!
[05:26] <Kagome_006> PLS
[05:27] <Kagome_006> IT A SIMPLE Q
[05:27] <synic> Kagome_006: settle down.
[05:27] <sproingie> Kagome_006: no one will help you if you shout at us
[05:27] <apokryphos> Kagome_006: quit shouting; drop the caps.
[05:27] <Kagome_006> fine
[05:27] <pr0tocol> synic: umm keyboard is set to xorg I think... and I'm not sure about xfs
[05:27] <pr0tocol> lets have a look
[05:27] <ndazza> Kagome_006: just ask, we will answer
[05:27] <synic> no, change keyboard to kbd
[05:27] <bob2> Kagome_006: do not ever do that again
[05:27] <pr0tocol> synic: okee dokee
[05:27] <netgrabber> damn ich brauch avidemux :(
[05:27] <Gnonthgol> pluffsy: it it tools for sniffing your network trafic
[05:27] <funkyHat_> ndazza, he wanted help setting up dial-up networking
[05:27] <Kagome_006> How do i use dial up on ubuntu
[05:27] <ndazza> oh
[05:27] <bob2> Kagome_006: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DialupModemHowto
[05:28] <Kagome_006> .
[05:28] <Kagome_006> ty
[05:28] <sproingie> Kagome_006: if you are having a problem with dialup, describe the problem
[05:28] <bob2> Kagome_006: which is linked from the FAQ, and the first hit when searching the wiki for "dialup"
[05:28] <pr0tocol> synic: didn't do a damn thing
[05:28] <Gnonthgol> !dialup
[05:28] <ubotu> rumour has it, dialup is https://wiki.ubuntu.com//DialupModemHowto
[05:28] <pluffsy> Gnonthgol: Yeah I know. I've used it to debug network apps. But what should I look for? I mean the dhcp clients just say they can't find a server.
[05:28] <synic> pr0tocol: install xfs ?  What error are you getting?
[05:28] <pr0tocol> synic: same problem.  The thing is, I am able to see the nvidia sign for like 1 second and then it just dies
[05:28] <er4z0r> hmm do ubuntuusers use console-stuff like wvdial?
[05:28] <pr0tocol> synic: paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2208
[05:29] <er4z0r> that could give detailed info on Kagome_006's problem, or am i wrong?
[05:29] <TMM> a warm welcome from ubuntu breezy :)
[05:29] <synic> pr0tocol: the error is farther up.
[05:29] <synic> pr0tocol: those errors are fine
[05:29] <funkyHat_> er4z0r, he shouldn't need to use anything like that
[05:29] <TMM> that was surprisingly and slightly dissapointingly painless
[05:29] <pr0tocol> synic: I know they are
[05:29] <Gnonthgol> pluffsy: try find any abnormality to the dhcp things?
[05:29] <er4z0r> TMM: a warm wb, from another breezy
[05:29] <sproingie> TMM: i'm on amd64 ... i expect pain.  i'll let ya know :)
[05:29] <pr0tocol> synic: thats what I'm saying...I don't understand why X won't start this bastard
[05:29] <w-the-c> sproingie, doh...  I thought when you said ymmv with laptops you meant ymmv was some name of a driver ;) hmm...  any suggestions for 3d acceleration or dri for an ATI FireGL Mobility card?
[05:29] <synic> pr0tocol: paste the whole thing.
[05:30] <TMM> sproingie, I KNEW I should have bought some weird arch
[05:30] <funkyHat_> er4z0r, probably just needed to know where the controls for it were in the GUI
[05:30] <sproingie> w-the-c: your best bet is the fglrx driver ... it just might need some tweaking.  check the wiki, is my best advice
[05:30] <TMM> although it might be worth mentioning somewhere on the wiki that the bloody X font paths have changed
[05:30] <pr0tocol> synic: how do you scroll up in console again? lol
[05:30] <synic> shift+pageup
[05:30] <Gnonthgol> how do you change the gateway?
[05:30] <er4z0r> funkyHat_: dont want to scare people of from ubuntu, do you? ;)
[05:30] <sproingie> pr0tocol: or hit scroll lock and use pgup/pgdown
[05:30] <beeryourself> excuse me everyone
[05:30] <pluffsy> Gnonthgol: But I don't have a clue what to look for. Should I check out the rfc:s for the dhcp protocol? :(
[05:30] <funkyHat_> er4z0r, exactly :)
[05:31] <beeryourself> is there a floppy boot for ubuntu???
[05:31] <jameswfrost> i'm off- thanks for the help! :)
[05:31] <er4z0r> funkyHat_: funky klicky bunty *g*
[05:31] <pr0tocol> yea thats not working guys
[05:31] <funkyHat_> :)
[05:31] <sproingie> i bet the dhcp rfc's would be awful edifying but not much help to a user
[05:31] <TMM> do I get to kill whoever thought that the terminal icon should move to accesoires and remove the 'root terminal' option? please?
[05:31] <funkyHat_> breezy is nice. i like the tooltip 'you have updates' thing :P
[05:31] <er4z0r> this is a really living channel
[05:31] <indypende> someone had 3d acceleration in breezy with ati 9*** series?
[05:32] <er4z0r> jap
[05:32] <yahalom> wow
[05:32] <indypende> i install newest ati drivers. all ok but i can't use hardware 3d acceleration!
[05:32] <indypende> in hoary all was ok with fglrx!
[05:32] <pr0tocol> synic: any other methods of scrolling in console?
[05:32] <TMM> and glxgears don't report fps anymore? what's up with that?
[05:32] <TMM> lol
[05:32] <TMM> so many new things to bitch about
[05:32] <er4z0r> is the bootsplash patch new in breezy or didn't it just not occur to me in kubuntu
[05:32] <TMM> that I'll probably start to love in about... well, 2 days :)
[05:32] <bob2> TMM: it's to stop people using it as a benchmarking tool
[05:32] <bob2> er4z0r: new, it's usplash
[05:32] <TMM> it's somewhat valid as a benchmarking tool
[05:32] <Gnonthgol> pluffsy: I should be 4 packeges, one to request, one to awnser, one to acept, and one to send the ip
[05:32] <TMM> because it's the same everywhere
[05:33] <TMM> and a pretty decent indication if something is wrong
[05:33] <TMM> :)
[05:33] <synic> pr0tocol: just scroll lock and pageup
[05:33] <er4z0r> bob2: will be supported back to debian?
[05:33] <sproingie> glxgears is useful as a benchmark when you compare it against the previous numbers on the same machine
[05:33] <pluffsy> Gnonthgol: Alright. I'll take a look. Thanks.
[05:33] <synic> pr0tocol: you could just check the Xorg.0.log
[05:33] <pr0tocol> synic: the crap aint workin either. keyboard logs
[05:33] <TMM> there's the whole geometry that's coded in ofcourse...
[05:33] <Drazic> hi
[05:33] <TMM> I see the point
[05:33] <bob2> er4z0r: I doubt it
[05:33] <bob2> not by default, anyway
[05:34] <pluffsy> Gnonthgol: that's port 67 I should sniff, right?
[05:34] <pr0tocol> bag
[05:34] <TMM> BUT if direct rendering is: yes and you still get like 100fps in glxgears you know somewhat where to look
[05:34] <pr0tocol> I'll just use vim
[05:34] <StarScream> bob2: are you getting errors relating to your fixed fonts ?
[05:34] <TMM> I'll have to revise my whole troubleshooting scheme here
[05:34] <er4z0r> bob2: those guys are a lil conservative in Debian-Project ;)
[05:34] <Drazic> someone can help me? i burned ubuntu on a cd but when i start it it comes in dr-dos or something. how do i install it?
[05:34] <Gnonthgol> pluffsy: somthing like that
[05:34] <andalucia> hello, I need from you guys the GDM theme that is used in ubuntu please , can you tar it and send it to me ?
[05:34] <TMM> /usr/lib to /usr/share ... really, shoot the guy that dreamt that up too
[05:34] <er4z0r> Drazic: hi
[05:35] <TMM> ESPECIALLY since it didn't update the xorg.conf file
[05:35] <bob2> StarScream: no
[05:35] <TMM> we are going to have SOOOO much trouble here if that's not fixed before breezy launches
[05:35] <funkyHat_> TMM, you must have told it not to then...
[05:35] <T-One> I just realized I have a REAL problem...
[05:35] <funkyHat_> TMM, although it defaults not to if you've modified it
[05:35] <TMM> funkyHat_, I don't think it asked me
[05:35] <T-One> can't see anything on my LAN.
[05:35] <bob2> er4z0r: well, another view is just a little less tolerant of pointless fluff
[05:35] <chrissturm> hmm, if i run an app that outputs really a lot of text to the terminal, my whole system hangs
[05:35] <T-One> no ping, nothing
[05:35] <funkyHat_> odd, it asked me TMM
[05:35] <pr0tocol> I have a few warnings, synic, from what I see...thats about it
[05:35] <chrissturm> what can i do about that?
[05:35] <ndazza> andalucia: try fetching the gdm package off the ubuntu repositories
[05:35] <synic> pr0tocol: can you paste it?
[05:35] <StarScream> bob2: hmm crap...the new bootsplash in ubuntu is quite nice though :)
[05:35] <TMM> funkyHat_, it just put the fonts somewhere else and didn't update my xorg.conf file
[05:36] <T-One> I'm USING the router and the Internet (right now, remotely, over SSH, and port forwarding for IRC)
[05:36] <T-One> but can't see anything on the local LAN.
[05:36] <pr0tocol> synic: lmao...tell me how to copy text in console and paste it
[05:36] <T-One> any ideas?
[05:36] <synic> pr0tocol: gotta install gpm, and then it's just the same as in X
[05:36] <StarScream> TMM: you having X problems as well ?
[05:36] <TMM> funkyHat_, luckely I've been fixing X errors since the dawn of time (so it feels) so it was no biggie, but still, for less experienced users... this is going to be a bit of a problem, *I* didn't even spot it
[05:37] <TMM> StarScream, not anymore, but if you are still having them, let's hear 'em, I might be able to help :)
[05:37] <T-One> oh, btw TMM...freenx does work well...I had to do some funky stuff to make it work from behind my firewall, though
[05:37] <TMM> T-One, it's fast, isn't it? :)
[05:37] <Gnonthgol> Anyone know how to change the routing tables on a computer?
[05:37] <TMM> Gnonthgol, euh... through the 'route' command? :)
[05:37] <ndazza> Gnonthgol: you mean on a linux computer i presume
[05:37] <pr0tocol> synic: gimme one sec
[05:37] <T-One> TMM: I can't tell...upload speed from LAN is 384, and the server is a P1 233
[05:37] <TMM> Gnonthgol, what are you trying to accomplis?
[05:37] <funkyHat_> TMM, it's odd, yeah and could be pretty serious, but had you edited your xorg.conf? because mine was updated fine (i believe it asked me in fact)
[05:38] <StarScream> TMM: ok, using breezy, just did an apt-get update apt-get upgrade apt-get dist-upgrade...now i'm getting the following erros in the X logs
[05:38] <TMM> funkyHat_, I had to edit it manually
[05:38] <TMM> StarScream, "can't find font 'fixed'"?
[05:38] <StarScream> yeh
[05:38] <funkyHat_> i know, but i mean had you edited it before upgrading?
[05:38] <TMM> funkyHat_, probably :)
[05:38] <TMM> StarScream, easy! :)
[05:38] <T-One> I wonder why my system can't see my LAN...
[05:38] <Gnonthgol> TMM: I am on a computer that sudanly lost internet at boot (dhcp)
[05:39] <StarScream> TMM: would you care to enlighten me  please ?
[05:39] <funkyHat> TMM, it's still odd though, as i know i'd edited mine, and it did ask me)
[05:39] <ndazza> hehe poor TMM, you are popular today
[05:39] <funkyHat> hehehe
[05:39] <TMM> StarScream, fire up a text editor, and open up /etc/X11/xorg.conf and I was already typing this when you started moaning so know you'll have waited for a lot longer for the reply because I wanted to type this :P
[05:39] <ndazza> Gnonthgol: try sudo ifconfig eth0 down; sudo ifconfig eth0 up
[05:40] <TMM> ndazza, I get that, charismatic
[05:40] <netstar> Is it possible to upgrade from breezy preview to breezy release?
[05:40] <pr0tocol> synic: it's 499 lines, dude.  Where am I supposed to paste it?
[05:40] <ndazza> Gnonthgol: if that doesn't work: route add default gw <gateway IP address>
[05:40] <synic> http://rafb.net/paste
[05:40] <StarScream> TMM: hehe i shall pipe down then :)
[05:40] <ndazza> netstar: not just now :)
[05:40] <ndazza> netstar: try again when breezy is released
[05:40] <ndazza> :p
[05:40] <TMM> Gnonthgol, is your dhcp server configed correctly? you can add a default gateway manually with the following command: sudo route add default gw <ip address of gw>
[05:41] <TMM> StarScream, did you open up the file in your favorite text editor?
[05:41] <ndazza> oh yeah... add sudo to what i wrote too
[05:41] <StarScream> TMM: yep
[05:41] <netstar> :)
[05:41] <TMM> StarScream, ok then, see at the top those "FontPath" lines?
[05:41] <netstar> How do I change keyboard layouts?
[05:41] <StarScream> TMM: uhuh
[05:41] <netstar> not in X, but in the console?
[05:42] <TMM> StarScream, good, now I keep you waiting for a bit while I am typing this
[05:42] <TMM> StarScream, you'll see that it all starts with /usr/lib/X11
[05:42] <pr0tocol> synic: you think those warning could be causing the error?
[05:42] <TMM> StarScream, change those lines, and only those lines (not the defoma ones) to start with /usr/share/X11
[05:42] <synic> pr0tocol: no
[05:42] <pr0tocol> synic: so then...nothing
[05:43] <StarScream> TMM: hmm mine has that already
[05:43] <pr0tocol> synic: and I'm not about to paste 499 lines your dirty bastard
[05:43] <StarScream> TMM:  FontPath        "/usr/share/X11/fonts/75dpi"
[05:43] <TMM> StarScream, ok, that's good
[05:43] <ndazza> what does this file control the config of? /etc/X11/Xsession.d/30xorg-common_xresources
[05:43] <synic> pr0tocol: ok, send me the log :)
[05:43] <TMM> StarScream, do they end with :unscaled?
[05:43] <Kagome_006> tysfm
[05:43] <StarScream> TMM a few do
[05:44] <TMM> StarScream, 100dpi and 75dpi?
[05:44] <StarScream> yep
[05:44] <TMM> StarScream, ok then
[05:44] <Kagome_006> WINDOWS SUCK!
[05:44] <pr0tocol> synic: lol. sending the log through irssi?
[05:44] <synic> pr0tocol: dcc
[05:44] <TMM> StarScream, try to sudo apt-get install x-window-system
[05:44] <yahalom> Kagome_006: welcome to our tribe
[05:44] <Kagome_006> lol
[05:44] <ndazza> hehe synic that was ironic
[05:44] <synic>  /dcc send synic /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[05:44] <yahalom> Kagome_006: u picked the right pill, the red one i s the right one.
[05:44] <Kagome_006> im only 17 and i say windows sux
[05:44] <pr0tocol> synic: get it yet?
[05:45] <heartEye> im only 19 and I say windows sucks except when you need it
[05:45] <synic> no
[05:45] <bob2> try to stay on-topic
[05:45] <synic> ndazza: hrmm?
[05:45] <pr0tocol> synic: how about now?
[05:45] <TMM> Kagome_006, good for you, I was 12 and got redhat 4.1
[05:45] <StarScream> TMM: erm...it says Package x-window-system is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[05:45] <synic> nope.
[05:45] <yahalom> i'm a 109, what is windows?
[05:45] <Kagome_006> lol
[05:45] <er4z0r> heartEye: jupp, when playing solitair, eh? *g*
[05:45] <ndazza> synic: pr0tocol: dcc <-- ironic
[05:45] <StarScream> TMM: or did you mean to do xserver-xorg ?
[05:45] <TMM> StarScream, that's right, x-window-system-core
[05:45] <synic> ndazza: lol
[05:45] <Kagome_006> WINDOWS THE 8MB VIRUS!
[05:45] <synic> pr0tocol: got it
[05:45] <pr0tocol> finally
[05:45] <StarScream> TMM: ok, thats already the newest version
[05:45] <yahalom> man
[05:46] <pr0tocol> ndazza: hehehe
[05:46] <Kagome_006> wb tester
[05:46] <TMM> StarScream, ok...
[05:46] <yahalom> u should created a windows bashing channel
[05:46] <TMM> StarScream, one more
[05:46] <highvoltage> anybody know where i can get a copy of the ubuntu manifesto? i can't find it on the website/wiki.
[05:46] <pr0tocol> My crotch smells like bird food
[05:46] <pr0tocol> wondering if thats healthy...
[05:46] <TMM> StarScream, sudo apt-get install xfonts-base xfonts-100dpi xfonts-75dpi
[05:46] <ndazza> pr0tocol: not if you have a bird
[05:47] <synic> pr0tocol: you didn't install xfs fool
[05:47] <bob2> come on folks
[05:47] <pr0tocol> ndazza: what if I have a yorky?
[05:47] <TMM> pr0tocol, I'd say you just have a very unheatly fascination for birds
[05:47] <StarScream> TMM: yep, all newest versions
[05:47] <Kagome_006> join #ihatewin
[05:47] <pr0tocol> synic: you omish princess, yes I did. I just did sudo apt-get install xfs not too long ago
[05:47] <TMM> Stalwart, ok then
[05:47] <Toba> how would you guys suggest installling wpa_supplicant and ndiswrapper from hard files?
[05:47] <Toba> I can't use synaptic
[05:47] <yahalom> lol
[05:47] <TMM> Stalwart, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[05:48] <Toba> since the laptop has no wireless until I install this
[05:48] <Toba> any ideas?
[05:48] <pr0tocol> TMM: or it could be that my crotch just smells like bird food :P  Better than Canadian bacon, eh?
[05:48] <Kagome_006> ?
[05:48] <synic> pr0tocol: d'oh.
[05:48] <Kagome_006> XD
[05:48] <Stalwart> TMM, don't ned it anymore, VIM rules ;)
[05:48] <Stalwart> thanks anyway
[05:48] <synic> pr0tocol: byarg
[05:48] <pr0tocol> synic: what was that? I don't understand stupid too much
[05:48] <Kagome_006> EVRYONE JOIN #ihatewin
[05:48] <TMM> pr0tocol, well, if I had a choice I'd rather have my crotch smell like meat than of dried vegetables
[05:48] <synic> pr0tocol: stfu :P
[05:49] <pr0tocol> synic: :>
[05:49] <StarScream> Kagome_006: what the heck are you on (about) ?
[05:49] <TMM> Stalwart, that was intented for StarScream
[05:49] <danst> hi I wanted to add flightgear to my App>Games menu! How do I do That?
[05:49] <StarScream> TMM: ah ok
[05:49] <TMM> StarScream, sudo  dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[05:49] <TMM> Stalwart, sorry :) damn tab completion
[05:49] <Kagome_006> EVRYONE JOIN #ihatewin
[05:49] <ndazza> Kagome_006: no
[05:49] <TMM> Kagome_006, how about : NO scotty?
[05:49] <pr0tocol> TMM: *weighs meat and dried vegetables* I think dried vegetables, dude.  I wouldn't want my crotch smelling like some animal parts
[05:50] <TMM> pr0tocol, your crotch IS an animal part
[05:50] <pr0tocol> synic: seriously, what is that byarg thing about?
[05:50] <oam> I enabled and set up a software raid5 during the install of ubuntu 5.10, it booted fine the first time. Then I did a apt-get upgrade world and it crashed during the boot after. Any ideas?
[05:50] <pr0tocol> TMM: ...
[05:50] <TMM> pr0tocol, or does yours more resemble dried vegetables? :)
[05:50] <pr0tocol> TMM: they say I'm hung like bull :P
[05:50] <pr0tocol> so I would say animal
[05:50] <ndazza> oam: got gentoo? hehehe
[05:50] <synic> pr0tocol: sucks.  I dunno - looks like everyone else in here is having the same problem
[05:50] <pr0tocol> TMM: I don't think I've heard anyone say "You're hung like a cabbage."
[05:50] <Stalwart> TMM, anyway, vim owns ;)
[05:51] <pr0tocol> synic: I know... it's sooooooooo gat
[05:51] <oam> ndazza:Gues I should go back to gentoo, but I had to try ubuntu...
[05:51] <TMM> pr0tocol, I think you are a bit too late with that remark, we already established that it looks like dried vegetables, you said so
[05:51] <pr0tocol> Stalwart: of course vim owns.. You know whats better?
[05:51] <StarScream> TMM: ok done, should i try and restart x?
[05:51] <TMM> StarScream, that would be an extremely good idea
[05:51] <pr0tocol> TMM: I said it smells like one. *cough*
[05:51] <ndazza> oam: the apt-get upgrade world gave it away. there's no 'world' in apt-get
[05:51] <kuru> is there any chance I can get a linksys wireless card (Model No. WMP54G-EU) working on ubuntu hoary ?
[05:51] <pr0tocol> Stalwart: JEdit *looks over to synic*
[05:51] <Kagome_006> EVRYONE JOIN #ihatewin
[05:51] <Kagome_006> EVRYONE JOIN #ihatewin
[05:51] <Kagome_006> EVRYONE JOIN #ihatewin
[05:51] <Kagome_006> EVRYONE JOIN #ihatewin
[05:51] <Kagome_006> pls
[05:51] <TMM> pr0tocol, AND you said you'd rather have it resemble dried vegetables than animalparts
[05:51] <kuru> or should I just grab breezy? or what?
[05:52] <TMM> Kagome_006, we are quite happy here discussing genitals thank you :)
[05:52] <synic> Kagome_006: you're really getting irritating.
[05:52] <pr0tocol> TMM: lmao...you weren't specifying which animal parts
[05:52] <sss_lr> when i do apt-get install postgresql it says do apt-get -f install to coorect
[05:52] <StarScream> TMM: k...sorry just i've done techsupport and i know it can be annoying when people pre-empt your step by step instructions
[05:52] <pitti> sss_lr: hoary or breezy?
[05:52] <ndazza> oam: what went wrong? did you check dmsg to see what errors got thrown?
[05:52] <Kagome_006> grrrrrrrrrrr
[05:52] <Kagome_006> pls
[05:52] <Kagome_006> pls
[05:52] <Kagome_006> grrrrrrrrrrr
[05:52] <Kagome_006> grrrrrrrrrrr
[05:52] <Kagome_006> grrrrrrrrrrr
[05:52] <Kagome_006> pls
[05:52] <sss_lr> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[05:52] <sss_lr>   MySQL-shared-compat: Obsoletes: MySQL-shared
[05:52] <Kagome_006> pls
[05:52] <Kagome_006> EVRYONE JOIN #ihatewin
[05:52] <pr0tocol> synic: oh well, guess I'll be stuck on console for the next month or so.
[05:52] <Kagome_006> EVRYONE JOIN #ihatewin
[05:52] <TMM> StarScream, don't worry, I'm regularly helping annoying people like you ;) (you aren't annoying)
[05:52] <funkyHat> Kagome_006, this isn't really the place for that, #1, not all of us hate windows, #2, joining a channel about it won't break windows, #3, shut up
[05:52] <Kagome_006> EVRYONE JOIN #ihatewin
[05:52] <Kagome_006> EVRYONE JOIN #ihatewin
[05:52] <Kagome_006> EVRYONE JOIN #ihatewin
[05:52] <Kagome_006> EVRYONE JOIN #ihatewin
[05:52] <TMM> ok
[05:52] <Kagome_006> EVRYONE JOIN #ihatewin
[05:53] <Kagome_006> EVRYONE JOIN #ihatewin
[05:53] <funkyHat> !ops
[05:53] <pr0tocol> Kagome_006: umm
[05:53] <ubotu> well, ops is Help! seb128, bob2, fabbione, lamont, thom, Keybuk, fooishbar, jdub, mdz, Amaranth, tritium, ajmich, crimsun, ogra, CarlK, Seveas, Burgundavia, apokryphos, thoreauputic, and Nalioth
[05:53] <Kagome_006> EVRYONE JOIN #ihatewin
[05:53] <Kagome_006> EVRYONE JOIN #ihatewin
[05:53] <othomas> well, breezy seems to work on Gateway Profile 3 computer..sure is different
[05:53] <Kagome_006> EVRYONE JOIN #ihatewin
[05:53] <pr0tocol> Kagome_006: stop SPAMMING!
[05:53] <Kagome_006> ah/!
[05:53] <TMM> *ANYONE* here got op?
[05:53] <pitti> sss_lr: oh, then you indeed have to fix your packages first; just do the -f command
[05:53] <Kagome_006> kk
[05:53] <gigaclon> STOP: IT
[05:53] <firestorm> Howdy. I can't seem to install the 2.6.13 kernel image...is it in packages yet?
[05:53] <TMM> bob2, DO SOMETHING please
[05:53] <funkyHat> lol
[05:53] <jdub> TMM: chill please :-)
[05:53] <Kagome_006> :/
[05:53] <TMM> CRAP
[05:53] <thenuke> kagome needs some k-line or something
[05:53] <pr0tocol> uh oh... everyone has morphed into opers
[05:53] <Kagome_006> I SAID SRY
[05:53] <TMM> na' no k-line
[05:54] <sss_lr> when i do apt-get install postgresql it says do apt-get -f install to coorect
[05:54] <TMM> he's just 13 or something
[05:54] <StarScream> TMM: i think i might have just gotten more annoying..it doesn't seem to have worked
[05:54] <jdub> Kagome_006: that's inappropriate here, please keep it nice.
[05:54] <sss_lr>   MySQL-shared-compat: Obsoletes: MySQL-shared
[05:54] <synic> Kagome_006: no, actually you didn't.
[05:54] <funkyHat> TMM, he shut up now, leave him be ;)
[05:54] <sss_lr> if i do apt-get -f install
[05:54] <pitti> sss_lr: yes, just do so
[05:54] <sss_lr> it says
[05:54] <netstar> Anyone here running breezy?
[05:54] <TMM> StarScream, ok, now I'm going to be annoying, I am going to eat now
[05:54] <ndazza> sss_lr: whatever package is stopping the install, try dpkg --remove <that package>
[05:54] <sss_lr> The following packages will be REMOVED:
[05:54] <sss_lr>   MySQL-shared bandmin
[05:54] <TMM> StarScream, sorry... back in about 20 I'd say, if you still have trouble I'll resume my helping, ok?
[05:54] <StarScream> TMM: ok, thanks for your  help anyways
[05:54] <othomas> netstar: i am
[05:54] <sss_lr> i dodnot want to remove how to avoid this
[05:54] <StarScream> TMM: i will try and stay
[05:54] <netstar> On ppc?
[05:55] <pr0tocol> Kagome_006: dude, you know...if this were a actual person-to-person live group thingy, you would have gotten jumped by every single person in here :P
[05:55] <StarScream> thanks
[05:55] <TMM> StarScream, sorry
[05:55] <TMM> later
[05:55] <StarScream> TMM: cheers for your time
[05:55] <ndazza> sss_lr: probably something that's being installed conflicts with that package
[05:55] <pr0tocol> synic: you upgraded to Breezy too?
[05:56] <sss_lr> ndazza : yes i guess but how to come out of it without removing?
[05:56] <pr0tocol> synic: what would happen if I put the the BusID to "0:0:0"?
[05:56] <Amaranth> hi
[05:56] <ndazza> sss_lr: i would try removing and putting it back later... maybe someone else has a more technical solution
[05:57] <sss_lr> ndazza: thx
[05:57] <sss_lr> ndazza: *.* solution please
[05:57] <dean> Krneki
[05:57] <sss_lr> *.* solution please
[05:58] <Krneki> hay
[05:58] <oam> ndazza: not that simple to get to the logs, i'd have to boot.. gentoo :P
[05:58] <Kagome_006> sry guys
[05:58] <Krneki> i have question is there possible on ubuntu port forwarding on one other pc in home network
[05:58] <oam> ndazza: it just freezes, then after some time, it shuts down
[05:58] <Kagome_006> hey
[05:59] <pr0tocol> synic: ?
[05:59] <Kagome_006> does anyone have a copy of wine?
[05:59] <Gnonthgol> TMM: I have taken a look into the problem and found out that I can send the SYN and gets the SYN, ACK but then nothing happens
[05:59] <synic> pr0tocol: yes I have, and had problems with X booting on all three machines.  All 3 times it was the kbd or the xfs thing.
[05:59] <apokryphos> Kagome_006: please don't do that again; flooding can be very irritating.
[05:59] <Kagome_006> kk
[05:59] <Kagome_006> but.
[05:59] <Kagome_006> does anyone have a copy of wine?
[05:59] <oam> ndazza: there's apparently something borked.
[05:59] <synic> Kagome_006: apt-get install wine.
[05:59] <Amaranth> gtg
[05:59] <Kagome_006> \/me has no internet
[05:59] <pr0tocol> synic: no I'm saying that what if I change the BusID to "0:0:0"?
[05:59] <ndazza> oam: without logs or error messages it's hard to know what's going on...
[05:59] <synic> pr0tocol: oh, I dnno about that.
[05:59] <ndazza> oam: i think that's a pretty good analysis yes :)
[05:59] <synic> Kagome_006: obviously you have no internet.
[06:00] <funkyHat> Kagome_006, get wine from wine.sourceforge.org
[06:00] <pr0tocol> synic: lol... you mean that it's a bad idea...or more like you don't know
[06:00] <Kagome_006> no cd burner
[06:00] <synic> pr0tocol: I don't know
[06:00] <pr0tocol> synic: gonna try it
[06:00] <Kagome_006> .:mp3:. !Kagome_006 TLC - Girl Talk .mp3 :3m 40s::stereo::128kbps::3.34mb: sonica
[06:00] <pr0tocol> lets see what happenes
[06:00] <__Caleb__> damn tons of peeps in here
[06:00] <pr0tocol> happens**
[06:00] <__Caleb__> ummm ok
[06:00] <funkyHat> oh dear...
[06:00] <Gnonthgol> I can send the SYN and gets the SYN, ACK but then nothing happens, anyone?
[06:00] <__Caleb__> i have a small problem
[06:00] <dcraven> I smell mirc
[06:00] <Kagome_006> yes
[06:00] <funkyHat> Kagome_006, we don't need to know what you're listening to thanks :)
[06:01] <synic> Kagome_006: you're very new to this whole.... linux thing, aren't you?
[06:01] <Kagome_006> [Kagome (Beta)]  Edited By - B|ueFire - Created by Kagome.
[06:01] <Kagome_006> yes
[06:01] <__Caleb__> when i use the ubuntu install cd i get an error trying to install binutils
[06:01] <dcraven> Funny how the cultures differ eh?
[06:01] <pr0tocol> heh
[06:01] <__Caleb__> im thinking its cause the cdrom on it is crap
[06:01] <Kagome_006> i love mirc
[06:01] <pr0tocol> linux thing
[06:01] <Kagome_006> thats why i need wine
[06:01] <pr0tocol> Kagome_006: mirc? lmao
[06:01] <__Caleb__> mirc blows balls
[06:02] <__Caleb__> learn to use xchat
[06:02] <Kagome_006> O_O\
[06:02] <synic> Kagome_006: I suggest you learn a little IRC etiquettte
[06:02] <pr0tocol> Kagome_006: are you on Winblowz right now?
[06:02] <Kagome_006> xchat sux
[06:02] <Cryptid> Videos Keep lagging when i play them in Totem Video player this only happens with .avi and DVDs what do i do to fix the problem
[06:02] <ndazza> __Caleb__: if it pauses at the same time every time, it's probably not the drive
[06:02] <Kagome_006> yes
[06:02] <__Caleb__> no
[06:02] <pr0tocol> Mirc does indeed blow much balls
[06:02] <__Caleb__> its gives me an error
[06:02] <Gnonthgol> Kagome_006: I have tryed mirc in wine and it works
[06:02] <Kagome_006> :P
[06:02] <Kagome_006> so
[06:02] <__Caleb__> saying its the install cd
[06:02] <Kagome_006> mine doesn't
[06:02] <__Caleb__> and that i might need to lower my burn speeds
[06:02] <pr0tocol> as a matter of fact *looks over to TMM* it blows MY vegetable balls
[06:02] <ndazza> wow that explains a lot
[06:02] <synic> Kagome_006: ok... so you need wine so you can run mirc at home where you have no internet?
[06:02] <Kagome_006> no
[06:02] <funkyHat> Kagome_006, you don't have the internet, so what good is mIRC?
[06:02] <Kagome_006> i have internet now
[06:02] <__Caleb__> but
[06:03] <Kagome_006> i need dail up setup
[06:03] <Kagome_006> i got it
[06:03] <Kagome_006> now i need wine
[06:03] <Gnonthgol> I can send the SYN and gets the SYN, ACK but then nothing happens, anyone?
[06:03] <__Caleb__> im on the livecd now lol
[06:03] <ndazza> Kagome_006: if you have internet, then apt-get install wine
[06:03] <Gnonthgol> Kagome_006: www.winehq.com
[06:03] <Kagome_006> no phone
[06:03] <__Caleb__> all i want is the server setup like the one thats on the install cd
[06:03] <ndazza> Gnonthgol: ACK <-- there you go :)
[06:03] <__Caleb__> the base system
[06:03] <Kagome_006> lol
[06:03] <ndazza> Gnonthgol: what sends the SYN where?
[06:04] <Kagome_006> ^phone
[06:04] <Kagome_006> .:mp3:. !Kagome_006 Tommy Tutone - 8675309 Jenny.mp3 :3m 50s::joint stereo::160kbps::4.38mb: sonica
[06:04] <__Caleb__> stip that please
[06:04] <__Caleb__> stop
[06:04] <funkyHat> Kagome_006, you are clearly connected to the internet right now, so why do you need to set up dial up?
[06:04] <Gnonthgol> ndazza: My ubuntu on the internet (not on the lan)
[06:04] <Kagome_006> 216-867-5309 is my celly
[06:04] <__Caleb__> someone might bring out the ban
[06:04] <ndazza> __Caleb__: check the cd is ok
[06:04] <funkyHat> and PLEASE turn that script off
[06:04] <Kagome_006> @ home
[06:04] <synic> Kagome_006: ID10T
[06:04] <Belutz> Kagome_006: could you turn off the mp3 script please?
[06:04] <apokryphos> Kagome_006: what are you doing?
[06:05] <Kagome_006> w/e
[06:05] <ndazza> Gnonthgol: that's sending the SYN? to where?
[06:05] <Kagome_006>  \ineed wine @ home
[06:05] <__Caleb__> the cd is fine
[06:05] <Kagome_006> bbl;
[06:05] <dcraven> Hurry back.
[06:05] <seethru> anyone in here running Breezy w/ a SB Live! Value?
[06:05] <seethru> driving me nuts trying to get it to work
[06:05] <Gnonthgol> ndazza: its sending the SYN to anyware on the internet
[06:05] <synic> seethru: getting repeated sounds?
[06:05] <pr0tocol> synic: do me a favor, look at your xorg.conf file and tell me what you have for your local font server path (i.e. unix/:7100)
[06:06] <__Caleb__> brb
[06:06] <synic> pr0tocol: same
[06:06] <Cryptid> Some 1 PLZ HELP ME! Videos Keep lagging when i play them in Totem Video player this only happens with .avi and DVDs what do i do to fix the problem
[06:06] <ndazza> Gnonthgol: and then anywhere sends back a SYN,ACK and your machine doesn't send an ACK?
[06:06] <pr0tocol> god damn it
[06:06] <pr0tocol> I need to FIX this crap otherwise I'm going to go NUTS!
[06:06] <Gnonthgol> ndazza: I have tryed any ips on servers I know is up
[06:07] <Gnonthgol> ndazza: yes
[06:07] <ndazza> Cryptid: make sure you aren't using the vesa driver in X
[06:07] <Gnonthgol> ndazza: I just dissapears
[06:07] <ndazza> Gnonthgol: erm. something's wrong with TCP or something...
[06:07] <ndazza> so does the ACK leave the machine?
[06:07] <ndazza> does DNS work?
[06:07] <ndazza> or any other UDP-based app?
[06:07] <Gnonthgol> ndazza: yes, yes
[06:08] <dazjorz> Heya :)
[06:08] <dazjorz> anyone knows if there are drivers and programs for Creative webcams ?
[06:08] <sambagirl> ubuntu has the most beautifully screen savers! wow!
[06:08] <pr0tocol> synic: do you need to have "dri" enabled in the modules section?
[06:08] <dazjorz> heh
[06:08] <dazjorz> sambagirl: I like the The Matrix one ;)
[06:08] <Gnonthgol> ndazza: but I have to network cards & dhcp = same ip
[06:08] <ndazza> Gnonthgol: well there u go problem solved: just layer TCP over UDP! :p
[06:08] <sambagirl> i just look up and seeing spider web tunnel
[06:08] <ndazza> ohhhhhhhhh
[06:09] <ndazza> well that might do strange things
[06:09] <dazjorz> who is the currently working dev here ?
[06:09] <ndazza> could be confusing switches or things on the network path
[06:09] <dazjorz> I mean, now ?
[06:09] <ndazza> change the IP of one of the machines
[06:09] <seethru> synic: sent you a message so it doesn't get lost in all this text
[06:10] <Gnonthgol> ndazza: but I would like using dhcp on both at the same time
[06:10] <dazjorz> ok, as usually, nobody's answering the first time you ask a question...
[06:10] <ndazza> dazjorz: you gave it 55 seconds
[06:10] <Gnonthgol> ndazza: It works
[06:11] <pr0tocol> how do I disable the nvidia logo again?
[06:11] <ndazza> Gnonthgol: that's great
[06:11] <dazjorz> ndazza: you know the answer ?
[06:11] <seethru> pr0tocol: Option "NoLogo"
[06:11] <ndazza> pr0tocol: don't remember, it's in the nvidia readme tho
[06:11] <Gnonthgol> ndazza: but I would like to use dhcp on both
[06:11] <ndazza> dazjorz: nope
[06:11] <ndazza> Gnonthgol: sudo dhclient
[06:12] <dazjorz> uhm, gonna ask it again then.
[06:12] <Pit> OpenGL just went from hardware rendering to software rendering after an apt-get upgrade on hoary, without even restarting the X server
[06:12] <Pit> Anyone had a similar problem?
[06:12] <ndazza> Gnonthgol: dhcp will assign a different IP
[06:12] <dazjorz> anyone here knows if there are drivers for Creative webcams ?/
[06:12] <Gnonthgol> ndazza: but my dhcp server wont
[06:12] <Pit> (I'm using an ATi card)
[06:12] <dazjorz> Pit: why is that a problem .?
[06:12] <seethru> dazjorz: http://opensource.creative.com/webcam.html
[06:13] <Pit> dazjorz: Because it's rather hard to play modern games with software rendering?
[06:13] <oam> ndazza: beer time, I'll have another look at it tomorrow.
[06:13] <dazjorz> seethru: ah thanks dude :)
[06:13] <ndazza> Gnonthgol: you will probably need to work around the limitations of your DHCP server then
[06:13] <ndazza> oam: good luck
[06:13] <dazjorz> Pit: That explains :)
[06:13] <oam> luck has nothing to do with it, it's how many beers you get down that counts :P
[06:13] <ndazza> Gnonthgol: you could try configuring your DHCP server to give out a specific IP address for a given mac address
[06:13] <ndazza> Gnonthgol: or turn the damn thing off and run a proper one from the linux box
[06:14] <dazjorz> Pit: OK, just wanted to know that. Hardware rendering is btw causing few problems with my NVidia FX card
[06:14] <dazjorz> Pit: when using several settings...
[06:14] <ndazza> oam: happy drinking then :)
[06:14] <Pit> yeah, but my hardware rendering had been working for a long time
[06:14] <Cryptid> ndazza, i am new to linux will please explain what is vesa driver and how to check if i have it and if i dont how do i get it
[06:14] <Pit> just suddenly stopped
[06:14] <Gnonthgol> ndazza: I already got one up, but my dad wont let me use it
[06:15] <seethru> pit: did you check your xorg.conf to make sure nothing mysteriously changed? ;)
[06:15] <sambagirl> can there anyone who can help me sometime to install Freemed? it is medical practice open source thing.
[06:15] <ndazza> Cryptid: examine the file /etc/X11/xorg.conf and look for a line that says driver="vesa"
[06:15] <sambagirl> not today but sometime
[06:15] <ndazza> Cryptid: if you see that line you're gonna need to replace "vesa" with the right driver for your hardware
[06:15] <sambagirl> anyone here in medical field?
[06:15] <Pit> seethru: this happened without a restart of the X server
[06:16] <Pit> so I don't see how xorg.conf could affect it
[06:16] <ndazza> Gnonthgol: ok, so why do you need DHCP? it seems like it's been configured to only dish out one IP address or something else strange
[06:17] <pr0tocol> damn...damn
[06:17] <Gnonthgol> ndazza: It probably goes after the hostname
[06:17] <seethru> synic: you here?
[06:17] <pr0tocol> has anyone got their Nvidia cards working in Breezy?
[06:18] <pr0tocol> ?
[06:18] <seethru> pr0tocol: yes
[06:18] <pr0tocol> seethru: what kind of card do you have?
[06:18] <seethru> 6800gt
[06:18] <pr0tocol> oh damn
[06:18] <netstar> pr0tocol, yes but X sucks
[06:18] <pr0tocol> I have a 5200 FX
[06:18] <Bateau_> hey! i installed ubuntu on my laptop... and i worsk greate :D but, i want to connect this other monitor to it. and it wont start when i press FN+"the other screen button". it just stays black, but the power button keeps shining green. how can i get it to work?
[06:18] <pr0tocol> netstar: X sucks why?
[06:18] <netstar> pr0tocol, me too
[06:18] <sambagirl> i am going to download Freemed it has listed types of .deb .rpm .bzw .gz which one suggested i downloaded? i running ubuntu. this is medical practice open source software
[06:18] <StarScream> pr0tocol: i think X is b0rked at the mo
[06:19] <pr0tocol> StarScream: lmao
[06:19] <seethru> sambagirl: always .deb
[06:19] <netstar> CPU load is WAY too excessive
[06:19] <sambagirl> okie dokie
[06:19] <sktrdie> hello all
[06:19] <sambagirl> thank you
[06:19] <sktrdie> I'm having trouble apt-get installing VLC
[06:19] <pr0tocol> netstar: ah, so you don't have it working either huh?
[06:19] <sktrdie> it says that there are unmet depndencies: and  some packages
[06:19] <seethru> sambagirl: then run sudo dpkg -i filename.deb wherever you downloaded it to
[06:19] <sktrdie> broken packages
[06:19] <Cronic> How do I reconfigure X?
[06:19] <Cronic> Using dpkg
[06:20] <pr0tocol> Cronic: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[06:20] <_van_> netstar you have FX5200 and you got it working with breezy?
[06:20] <seethru> pr0tocol beat me!
[06:20] <skwashd-laptop> hi all
[06:20] <pr0tocol> seethru: um? lmao ok
[06:20] <seethru> ok now seriously...anyone here with a SBLive! Value and Breezy?
[06:20] <Cryptid> ndazza, i found driver under the section Devices and it says "Driver i810" no what do i do
[06:20] <skwashd-laptop> i have just switched a server from sarge to breezy beta ... everything is looking pretty good so far ... except ...
[06:21] <pr0tocol> seethru: I have SBlive Value
[06:21] <seethru> sound is working?
[06:21] <netstar> _van_, yes
[06:21] <StarScream> skwashd-laptop: why would you switch a server to breezy?
[06:21] <pr0tocol> seethru: working perfectly in console
[06:21] <seethru> lol
[06:21] <pr0tocol> netstar: you have it working seriously?
[06:21] <netstar> _van_, does this surprise you?
[06:21] <sktrdie> can anyone help me?
[06:21] <skwashd-laptop> cups doesn't allow me to do any admin functions thru the webgui ... which on the desktop is fine ... but i am not installing gnome just for the printer admin on the server
[06:21] <ndazza> Cryptid: ok you have the right driver then, you might need to update your w32codecs
[06:21] <netstar> let me just quadrouple check
[06:21] <pr0tocol> netstar: what the hell did you do?!? I have the same card and I CANNOT get X to work
[06:22] <_van_> no i'm just interested..coz i have F5200 also...and downloading breezy now
[06:22] <netstar> yep, that's the model
[06:22] <_van_> and it would be great if you told us what did you do
[06:22] <skwashd-laptop> StarScream: cos ldap in hoary is useless ... record uptime for me over the last 4 weeks has been 52hrs
[06:22] <netstar> However, X is slow with it.  I'm not happy with the performance.
[06:22] <StarScream> skwashd-laptop: couldn't just apt-pin ldap?
[06:23] <synic> seethru: yes
[06:23] <pr0tocol> netstar: yea ok great. what did you do to get it to work?
[06:23] <Cryptid> ndazza, i just downlaoded w32codecs 2day so i think they are the latest, :-( now what do i do. i dont want my frndz to laugh at me for switching from Windows to linux
[06:23] <Cronic> Thanks guys.
[06:23] <Cronic> Now how can I fix my resolution?
[06:23] <Cronic> It's only showing up at 640x480
[06:23] <skwashd-laptop> StarScream: well the 3 desktop machines i have running breezy are working fine
[06:23] <Cronic> Under X I see the screen res option, but it only gas 640 as an option
[06:23] <skwashd-laptop> StarScream: i once ran samba on sid in production for about 12mths ... that was fun :)
[06:24] <seethru> synic: sent you a pm to avoid adding more text to the channel
[06:24] <netstar> just use the stock nv driver
[06:24] <pr0tocol> netstar: not the nvidia?
[06:24] <synic> seethru: I didn't get one
[06:24] <dazjorz> hey what's the device name of my webcam ? It's a Creative NX Pro
[06:24] <skwashd-laptop> anyway ... back to the real problem ... how do i get around the no admin thru the webgui problem?
[06:24] <_van_> but then there'll be no 3d acceleration, or am i wrong?
[06:24] <netstar> there are no nvidia drivers for this model on ppc64
[06:24] <netstar> right
[06:24] <pr0tocol> ppc64
[06:25] <StarScream> haha
[06:25] <StarScream> that was amusing i was waiting for something like that
[06:25] <pr0tocol> see, when I try to use the nv module  it gives me a fatal server error indicating that no screens were found...
[06:25] <StarScream> netstar: nice g5!
[06:25] <seethru> synic: alright, will add text then. Not getting repeating sounds, not getting any sound, or any errors when trying to play any sounds. Modules are loaded correctly, and the Analog/Digital Output on alsamixer is turned on :)
[06:25] <ndazza> Cryptid: hehe oh i see. get the ones from mplayer.org and see if they're any better
[06:26] <synic> seethru: I had the same thing happen... had to go through all the channels and make sure they weren't muted - even if I didn't think one of them mattered.
[06:26] <synic> seethru: dunno which one fixed it... but it works now.
[06:26] <netstar> It's alright, problem is that X has high CPU load which means the fan control I only recently got working for this imac is useless because it's up HIGH
[06:26] <Bateau_> I want to connect this other monitor to my laptop. so i press FN+"the other screen button", but nothing happens. it just stays black, but the power button keeps shining green, indicating it got som sort of signal. how can i get it to work? help me please :)
[06:26] <seethru> synic: weird, so unmute everything?
[06:26] <dazjorz> how to look at what my webcam (Creative NX Pro) shows me?
[06:26] <mim> i've windows xp installed on hda1, if I install breezy preview, will it configure a boot loader, that lets me choose which OS to run when booting
[06:26] <dazjorz> I already installed the drivers.
[06:26] <synic> seethru: yeah
[06:27] <pr0tocol> ...
[06:27] <funkyHat> dazjorz, where did you find the drivers for it?
[06:27] <pr0tocol> I do not wanna go back to windows...
[06:27] <Cryptid> ndazza, are they ne diffrent from the w32codecs that are present in synaptic
[06:28] <dazjorz> funkyHat: Link on Creative's website, pointing to: http://zc0302.sourceforge.net/
[06:28] <seethru> synic: alright, will play with that, ty
[06:28] <synic> np
[06:28] <holycow> guys, anyone know how to tell samba that it's not the master browser for the domain?  this is on a workstation and it seems to be on by default which it shouldn't
[06:28] <seethru> synic: you using analog output or the digital one? (last question)
[06:28] <funkyHat> thanks dazjorz :). i searched loads but didn't think to check creative's website lol
[06:29] <synic> seethru: analog
[06:29] <dazjorz> funkyHat: Check this: http://opensource.creative.com (A)
[06:29] <pr0tocol> yo synic, you said you havent upgraded yet, right?
[06:30] <synic> pr0tocol: I have, on all three machines
[06:30] <Cryptid> i Have a Acer S2W 3300V Scanner, It does not get detected by Ubuntu What do i do
[06:30] <dazjorz> search drivers :)
[06:30] <pr0tocol> synic: gonna restart...see if THAT does anything
[06:30] <pr0tocol> synic: you didn't see anything wrong with my log?
[06:31] <synic> pr0tocol: no
[06:31] <pr0tocol> hmm
[06:31] <manji> what is mplayer listed as in the apt repositories?
[06:31] <dazjorz> how to tell xawtv to listen to my webcam ?
[06:31] <DarkEagle> I tryed install upower but it got error that I have not correct version of libgcc1 , (my 1:4.0-0pre6ubuntu7 , needed: 1:4.0.0-7 -- For me it looks same, only thing is that my looks like for ubuntu) What should I do?
[06:32] <pr0tocol> manji: mplayer-x86 (x being your chipset)
[06:32] <pr0tocol> manji: for example mplayer-386
[06:32] <manji> okay, thanks
[06:32] <pr0tocol> np
[06:33] <sktrdie> guys
[06:33] <synic> girl
[06:33] <TMM> that 'someone else' thing in xscreensaver is a well... lifesaver :)
[06:33] <manji> pr0tocol: it seems to not be there, though
[06:33] <pr0tocol> synic: you know what I rhink ir is
[06:33] <TMM> I wonder if it works for multiple X sessions as well
[06:33] <sktrdie> I need to reinstall totem
[06:33] <sktrdie> but if I do apt-get remove totem it says that it will also download my desktop
[06:33] <sktrdie> synic: guys=ppl
[06:33] <pr0tocol> manji: are you using any backports?
[06:33] <synic> pr0tocol: ?
[06:33] <pr0tocol> synic: God and Linus Torvalds hate spics
[06:33] <w-the-c> is anyone familiar with dri or 3d hardware acceleration on a laptop with ati FireGL?
[06:33] <Bateau_> where is the file to edit monitor settings?
[06:34] <synic> lol
[06:34] <manji> pr0tocol: no, although i am not exactly clear as to what backports are
[06:34] <pr0tocol> manji: hmm
[06:34] <entvex> how to install a .deb :)
[06:34] <StarScream> TMM: heya, don't suppose i can trouble you for a little assistance again...i've still not had any luck with my X
[06:34] <Toba> is there an alternative to nautilus?
[06:34] <manji> pr0tocol: it just can't find the package
[06:34] <w-the-c> sudo dpkg -i <packagename>
[06:34] <pr0tocol> manji: search google for hoary backports (or whatever version of UBuntu you have now)
[06:34] <Toba> because it's been freezing on me
[06:34] <Toba> and I can't take it anymore
[06:34] <StarScream> Toba: xfe maybe
[06:34] <pr0tocol> manji: do   sudo apt-cache search mplayer
[06:35] <entvex> how to install a .deb :)
[06:35] <Cryptid> Please Help ME!!!!!, I Have a Acer S2W 3300V Scanner, It does not get detected by Ubuntu What do i do
[06:35] <Toba> StarScream: I'll try that
[06:35] <entvex> how to install a .deb :) pack
[06:35] <w-the-c> entvex, sudo dpkg -i <packagename>
[06:35] <StarScream> entvex: dpkg -i
[06:35] <Ulmi> hell
[06:35] <Ulmi> o
[06:35] <manji> pr0tocol: doesnt find any relevant returns
[06:35] <w-the-c> anyone have experience with fglrx?
[06:35] <pr0tocol> entvex: you know, not to be a jerky or anything, google IS your best friend you know ;)
[06:35] <entvex> w-the-c Thx :)
[06:35] <synic> manji: ubuntuguide.org
[06:35] <pr0tocol> manji, ok your using hoary?
[06:36] <w-the-c> I'm having trouble coming out of stanby...  x freezes and I can't even do a Alt+Ctrl+Backspace to restart x...
[06:36] <manji> pr0tocol: breezy
[06:36] <pr0tocol> and you got x working...
[06:36] <pr0tocol> YOU LUCKY BASTARD!!
[06:36] <pr0tocol> well anyways
[06:36] <TMM> StarScream, sure
[06:36] <Echelon-H> how can i make things run on startup with XFCE?
[06:36] <funkyHat> pr0tocol, X worked straight off for me :P
[06:36] <funkyHat> upgraded 2 days ago
[06:36] <TMM> StarScream, time to send over some stuff though, I'm going to need an lspci output, /var/log/Xorg.0.log and /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[06:37] <pr0tocol> funkyHat: what vid card do you have?
[06:37] <funkyHat> nVidia
[06:37] <funkyHat> geforce 4
[06:37] <pr0tocol> FX5200?
[06:37] <sambagirl> wow you should see this screen saver, it's awesome. but you cant now cause i interrupted it. btw is there a way to access your desktop remotely like with windows products?
[06:37] <funkyHat> oh, this was about a specific video card
[06:37] <funkyHat> ok lol
[06:37] <pr0tocol> oh...most people with GeForce 4(if not all) aren't having any problems
[06:37] <StarScream> TMM: ok hang on a sec
[06:37] <pr0tocol> I, on the other hand, am...for using a Fx5200
[06:38] <w-the-c> sambagirl, you can use VNC...
[06:38] <reiki_work> sambagirl: VNC
[06:38] <pr0tocol> damn the FX series...damn them to hell
[06:38] <sambagirl> ahh thanks
[06:38] <sambagirl> vnc
[06:38] <w-the-c> sambagirl, but you can connect to a windows machine (only tested xp) and do remote desktop...  but tha'ts online linux to windows
[06:38] <TMM> hmmm
[06:38] <pr0tocol> funkyHat: I was telling synic earlier, that I bet had I not been a spic, it would of worked
[06:38] <pr0tocol> funkyHat: I'm thinking the newer kernels have spic-detection
[06:39] <TMM> StarScream, just a sec, I'll be gone for a bit, want to test suspend to ram now
[06:39] <funkyHat> what's a spic?
[06:39] <manji> lol
[06:39] <pr0tocol> funkyHat: ...
[06:39] <pr0tocol> funkyHat: a hispanic/spanish person
[06:39] <funkyHat> oh right. lolz
[06:39] <pr0tocol> hehehe
[06:39] <Bateau_> where is the file to edit monitor settings?
[06:39] <w-the-c> funkyHat, just google or wiki it... it's a racial slur
[06:39] <J1nX> hullo folx
[06:39] <w-the-c> Bateau, you may be refering to /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[06:39] <pr0tocol> yes it is
[06:39] <pr0tocol> a racial slur for me
[06:40] <pr0tocol> damn kernels
[06:40] <funkyHat> i live in the UK, we don't call spanish/hispanic people that :P
[06:40] <entvex> pr0tocol is you in here and helping alle day :) ?
[06:40] <Bateau_> yes! thank you w-the-c :D
[06:40] <pr0tocol> entvex: realistically speaking -- no.  I'm in here waiting for someone to come up with a solution to my X problem
[06:40] <StarScream> TMM: k, just let me know when yer back
[06:41] <pr0tocol> entvex: but I help who I can..
[06:41] <athlon> Ive lost the CD icon in my kubuntu desktop, I mean the icon that will show up in the desktop if you insert a cd. how do I re-enable it ?
[06:41] <entvex> pr0tocol ;) you nice whats you problem =?
[06:41] <reiki_work> pr0tocol: if it's an X problem... doesn't that mean it no longer exists?  like an x-wife ?
[06:41] <DarkEagle> how do I install libgcc1 1:4.0.0-7 if I have libgcc1 1:4.0-0pre6ubuntu7 ?
[06:41] <Bateau_> hmm, there was this howto, to find your Horizsync and so on. but i cant find it again :/ any have the link
[06:41] <pr0tocol> reiki_work: ....why?
[06:41] <pr0tocol> reiki_work: why would you say that? lol
[06:42] <J1nX> does anyone know if the breezy badger has better wifi card support than hoary hedgehog??
[06:42] <reiki_work> pr0tocol: ok... maybe that was just another poor attempt at humor on my part :)
[06:42] <pr0tocol> reiki_work: hell no...as in X server problem...ya know "Can't get my card to work" sort-of-thing
[06:42] <Echelon-H> how can i make things run on startup with XFCE?
[06:42] <pr0tocol> lol @ reiki_work
[06:42] <neighborlee> since last update my sound on login is musted and alsamixer of course fixes it..what is causing this and what alsa command (  know its something about 'store' ) keesp the settings of subsequent boots ? ;-)
[06:42] <reiki_work> pr0tocol: actually I knew what you meant.... :)
[06:42] <apokryphos> Echelon-H: you might have more luck in #xfce
[06:43] <entvex> pr0tocol have you try ro re install X from init level 3 ?
[06:43] <pr0tocol> entvex: ?
[06:43] <DarkEagle> can somebody send me "libgcc1" version 1:4.0.0-7 ?
[06:43] <J1nX> I currently have hoary installed and its not even detecting my  netgear wireless card i was wondering if there is a better chance that breezy would
[06:44] <entvex> pr0tocol im new to Ubutu but not to x
[06:44] <TMM> ok
[06:44] <TMM> short answer: hibernating still doesn't work for me
[06:44] <TMM> I never had it working, ever
[06:44] <entvex> pr0tocol do you know init ?
[06:44] <TMM> so that is not a big surprise
[06:44] <StarScream> TMM: http://pastebin.com/364671
[06:44] <funkyHat> i wonder if it works here....
[06:44] <pr0tocol> entvex: well, the thing is, I get to see the nvidia logo for like 2 seconds and then X just dies
[06:44] <funkyHat> my machine would go down fine, but not come back up again
[06:44] <entvex> pr0tocol what kernel ?
[06:44] <pr0tocol> entvex: I don't get any errors...whatsoever either from the logs
[06:45] <entvex> pr0tocol have you try to kille the logo ?
[06:45] <Bateau_> bah! :( i cant get my screen to work
[06:45] <pr0tocol> entvex: 2.6.12-8-386
[06:45] <pr0tocol> entvex: yea I tried killing the logo, doesn't do much
[06:45] <TMM> StarScream, now for a /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[06:45] <ndazza> alright! breezy!
[06:45] <TMM> StarScream, please :)
[06:45] <entvex> pr0tocol :-/
[06:45] <izmaelis> hi there, is there some gmail checker for gnome?
[06:46] <Lethal-Rocks> izmaelis, use a pop3 checker and read the gmail FAQ on pop3
[06:46] <ndazza> dazjorz: for convenience you can use less /dev/cdrom and view it a page at a time
[06:46] <entvex> pr0tocol ok im only word so is to re install it From init level 3 (from comando pront non grafik
[06:46] <dazjorz> ndazza: haha, it's unreadable anyway sooo ;)
[06:46] <izmaelis> Lethal-Rocks, thnx for the tip, I totally forgot that gmail suport secure pop3 (-:
[06:46] <StarScream> TMM: tail -f -n 400  http://pastebin.com/364675
[06:47] <Lethal-Rocks> izmaelis, it's ok, they keep changed their spec anyway
[06:47] <StarScream> let me know if you need more
[06:47] <dazjorz> ndazza: only a lot of ^Q's
[06:47] <dazjorz> try it
[06:47] <pr0tocol> entvex: I can't enter the graphic mode regardless
[06:47] <ndazza> btw the hoary -> breezy upgrade broke my X (thanks to TMM for the X config tips) and grub.conf
[06:47] <entvex> pr0tocol ok is you doing a server install or normal
[06:47] <pr0tocol> ?
[06:47] <pr0tocol> normal
[06:48] <entvex> pr0tocol ok can you re configer X ?
[06:48] <pr0tocol> did that too
[06:48] <entvex> pr0tocol ok :-/ cant help you mate sorry
[06:48] <pr0tocol> Breezy...I hope you get hit with a Tonka truck and die of stupidity!
[06:49] <TMM> StarScream, I'd really like the whole thing if it's all the same to you
[06:50] <timmow> does anyone know if inotify is working in breezy?
[06:51] <Lunar_Lamp> i'm having issues with my wireless card on my pc - just tried setting it up - and installed the drivers etc - when i go to networking and fill in the options (network name, key, DHCP) ithe connection doesn't work
[06:51] <timmow> is it ndiswrapper?
[06:51] <robotgeek> !wireless
[06:51] <ubotu> [wireless]  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsWirelessNetworkCards
[06:52] <Lunar_Lamp> i'm having issues with my wireless card on my pc - just tried setting it up - and installed the drivers etc - when i go to networking and fill in the options (network name, key, DHCP) ithe connection doesn't work
[06:52] <StarScream> TMM: http://pastebin.com/364679
[06:52] <TMM> StarScream, thanks :)
[06:52] <robotgeek> Lunar_Lamp: if you want someone to help, u need to give details of the wireless card etc
[06:52] <StarScream> np
[06:52] <Lunar_Lamp> robotgeek, i am using ralink 2400 chipset
[06:53] <TMM> StarScream, finially :)
[06:53] <robotgeek> Lunar_Lamp: did u compile the drivers from source?
[06:53] <pr0tocol> anyone for the love of God...
[06:53] <TMM> StarScream, two things, first: check if there are actually any files in /usr/share/X11/fonts/misc
[06:53] <robotgeek> pr0tocol: patience :)
[06:53] <Lunar_Lamp> erm - i used tar files if that answers your question? i'm a total n00b
[06:53] <timmow> can anyone running breezy tell me if they have a /dev/inotify node?
[06:53] <StarScream> TMM: yep, loads of .pcf.gz
[06:53] <osfameron> Odd.  Lock Screen doesn't work anymore
[06:53] <pr0tocol> robotgeek: if you think using console for the last 4 days is patience lol then I don't know what is
[06:53] <TMM> StarScream, any fonts.dir file there?
[06:54] <pr0tocol> robotgeek: you know what it's like switching terminals to play a song?
[06:54] <pr0tocol> lol
[06:54] <dazjorz> can anyone help me with this question that has nothing to do with Ubuntu ? you know the song "Ginny gets high" by "Daniel Powder" (although it sounds like that) How to spell the name of the maker ?
[06:54] <StarScream> TMM: nope, but there is a misc dir in there
[06:54] <robotgeek> pr0tocol: hey...u don't need to do that..use screen
[06:54] <StarScream> TMM: which is quite odd
[06:54] <TMM> StarScream, there's WHAT?
[06:54] <dazjorz> Oooooooooh sorry its "Jimmy gets high" by "Daniel Powter" haha
[06:54] <TMM> StarScream, so you have a /usr/share/X11/fonts/misc/misc dir?
[06:54] <StarScream> TMM: yeh
[06:54] <dazjorz> woh00t
[06:54] <robotgeek> Lunar_Lamp: did u use drives from http://rt2x00.serialmonkey.com/wiki/index.php/Main_Page
[06:55] <TMM> StarScream, false alarm, so do I :)
[06:55] <StarScream> TMM: hehe
[06:55] <louis_> i just installed ubuntu !!! I love it I switched over from microsoft xp pro
[06:55] <TMM> StarScream, empty for you too?
[06:55] <StarScream> yeh
[06:55] <robotgeek> louis_: awesome!
[06:55] <louis_> I'm so glad its free cause I wanted a legal os so much
[06:55] <TMM> StarScream, ok, give me 2 minutes, and I know what you must do
[06:55] <StarScream> TMM: ok cheers
[06:55] <louis_> can anyone asist me in becomeing familar with this os
[06:55] <Bateau_> ok, HOW do i use my other monitor? I want dualscreen!
[06:56] <Lunar_Lamp> robotgeek, yes - i installed them just like https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Rt2500WirelessCardsHowTo?highlight=%28wireless%29 - but substituting 2500 for 2400
[06:56] <pr0tocol> robotgeek: you know anything about a Fatal Error "Caught signal 11"?
[06:56] <robotgeek> Lunar_Lamp: hmm...i was abt to suggest you to do that same thing...
[06:56] <louis_> how do I install my printer software
[06:56] <TMM> StarScream, HA
[06:56] <TMM> StarScream, GOT IT
[06:56] <robotgeek> pr0tocol: nope, it sounds bad
[06:56] <TMM> StarScream, stupid linux
[06:56] <sktrdie> guys
[06:56] <sktrdie> everybody
[06:57] <darkheart> pr0tocol What's in your /var/log/Xorg.0.log?
[06:57] <sktrdie> the packages for vlc on breezy are broken
[06:57] <Lunar_Lamp> robotgeek, i installed them ok - but when i tried to install raconfig - it didn't work
[06:57] <sktrdie> what should I do?
[06:57] <TMM> StarScream, in each subdir in /usr/share/X11/fonts (like misc/ but not misc/misc) do sudo mkfontdir
[06:57] <louis_> anybody in amerika?
[06:57] <robotgeek> Lunar_Lamp: okay...i am gonna /msg you. okay?
[06:57] <Lunar_Lamp> robotgeek, sure :-)
[06:57] <sktrdie> the packages for vlc on breezy are broken
[06:57] <sktrdie> what should I do?
[06:58] <TMM> StarScream, also do it for /var/lib/defoma/x-ttcidfont-conf.d/dirs/CID
[06:58] <pr0tocol> darkheart: I have NO errors there
[06:58] <pr0tocol> none at all
[06:58] <pr0tocol> a few warning, which is common...but no errors
[06:59] <pr0tocol> darkheart: I get to see the nvidia logo for a second, and then it just dies
[06:59] <TMM> StarScream, you won't get any output btw
[06:59] <TMM> StarScream, it's not supposed to give output
[06:59] <sktrdie> the packages for vlc on breezy are broken
[06:59] <sktrdie> what should I do?
[06:59] <StarScream> TMM: ok done, restart X ?
[07:00] <darkheart> pr0tocol Nice...something is fubar'd totally eh? That fatal error is the only output?
[07:00] <robotgeek> Lunar_Lamp: sorry abt that, got disconnected. is it okay for me to /msg you?
[07:00] <Madeye> Hola
[07:00] <Lunar_Lamp> robotgeek, sure :-)
[07:01] <pr0tocol> darkheart: yup and a fatal IO error (connection reset by peer) on X server ":0.0" thing
[07:01] <funkyHat> dazjorz, where did you find the drivers for it? it tells me to compile, but there doesn't seem to be a compile?:S
[07:01] <funkyHat> *not where did you find, how didy you install
[07:01] <dazjorz> funkyHat: Uhm.. When you click the Webcam Support, then NX Pro, then you go to a page with a Downloads button, then click DOwnload Beta Release...
[07:02] <funkyHat> yeah i got that
[07:02] <pr0tocol> I think xorg is broken...
[07:02] <darkheart> pr0tocol Sounds like you're gonna have to wait for the stable release to upgrade. Does nvidia have a .deb package for their latest driver? Maybe you can try uninstalling ubuntu's nvidia driver and installing that.
[07:02] <skwashd-laptop> for anyone who comes across my question in the logs via google ... see http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=20176 for the solution
[07:02] <StarScream> TMM: ok, still no joy sorry
[07:03] <darkheart> pr0tocol Another option may be to uninstall xorg and install xfree86
[07:03] <pr0tocol> darkheart: yuck xfree86?
[07:03] <darkheart> pr0tocol Might shed some light on the problem or at least give you X until stable comes out.
[07:03] <pr0tocol> darkheart: I'm getting the nvidia logo, indicating that the nvidia module is working fine.  xorg is the problem
[07:04] <darkheart> pr0tocol Well, I'm not saying you're wrong, but with such little error reporting, I don't know if you can assume that it's just xorg, though you are probably right.
[07:04] <pr0tocol> darkheart: whats the release for xorg in Breezy?
[07:05] <darkheart> pr0tocol But if it is xorg, then you might have a chance with xfree86...and if that does work, then we know for sure that it's xorg
[07:05] <darkheart> !info xorg
[07:05] <sktrdie> How do I reinstall Totem?
[07:05] <darkheart> pr0tocol I'll check, hold on.
[07:05] <darkheart> sktrdie 'sudo apt-get install totem'
[07:06] <TMM> StarScream, wtf...
[07:06] <sktrdie> darkheart: that says that t is already installed
[07:06] <TMM> StarScream, please, put up the log file again (new one)
[07:06] <StarScream> k
[07:06] <darkheart> sktrdie Okay, well, you could uninstall it then and install it...is that what you want?
[07:07] <sktrdie> darkheart: yea, but when  I do apt-get remove totem,  it says that it will remove even other packages instead of only totem
[07:07] <darkheart> pr0tocol Looks like 6.8.2
[07:07] <sktrdie> darkheart: I dont want those other packages to go
[07:07] <pr0tocol> hmm
[07:07] <Will^Draven> w00t, i am on the ubuntu
[07:08] <codomaniac> Will^Draven: congrats.
[07:08] <pr0tocol> darkheart: I know that a Signal 11 error is a "segmentation fault", indicating that the program accessed a memory location that was not assigned....but I don't know which program
[07:08] <pr0tocol> that's why I'm assuming it's xorg
[07:08] <darkheart> sktrdie I don't know of an option to force it to skip dependencies (basically breaking things), but why does it matter? You're gonna reinstall anyway right?
[07:08] <Will^Draven> seems to be running a bit laggy :-\
[07:09] <darkheart> !info xserver-xorg
[07:09] <ubotu> xserver-xorg: (the X.Org X server), section x11, is optional. Version: 6.8.2-10 (hoary), Packaged size: 5322 kB, Installed size: 15220 kB
[07:09] !lilo:*! added http://freenode.net/policy.shtml#channelforwarding to reflect the informal network policy up to this point
[07:09] <louis_> can someone help me install my printer
[07:09] <louis_> i did the obvious already
[07:09] <louis_> and the basics
[07:09] <louis_> i cant seem to find my model in the add printer
[07:09] <sktrdie> darkheart: it says that it will remove the ubuntu-desktop!
[07:10] <louis_> it shows up on add printer but my model # isnt there
[07:10] <StarScream> TMM: http://pastebin.com/364686
[07:10] <darkheart> pr0tocol Yeah, not easy to figure w/ no error-reporting, I suppose you could do a backtrace, but I don't know about that stuff =) the breezy xorg is 6.8.2-64
[07:10] <pr0tocol> hmm
[07:11] <darkheart> sktrdie I think there is an option in Synaptic to 'reinstall'
[07:11] <william_> has anyone tried using xorg 6.9 or 7.0RC0 in breezy preview?
[07:11] <Bateau_> how can i get dualscreen?
[07:12] <darkheart> Bateau_ Magically
[07:12] <darkheart> Bateau_ You need to give a little more info.
[07:12] <Mischa> can anyone tell me what command line I should use to start loadlin, have linux install from an ubuntu cd, and install it on a yet unformatted part of my harddrive (prim ide, master) ?
[07:13] <Bateau_> i have a laptop. its a fujitsu siemens Lifebook. i want to connect another screen (21" Nokia 445Xi) to the laptop.
[07:13] <pluffsy> hello
[07:13] <william_> hehe, siemen...  it sounds like semen...
[07:13] <darkheart> Mischa Doesn't the loadlin FAQ or documentation tell you?
[07:14] <Maynoth> what do you guys think about autopackage
[07:14] <pluffsy> how difficult is it to get gnome running from a server install in ubuntu? because when I made a server install dhcp clienting worked.
[07:14] <pluffsy> is it just apt-get gnome ?
[07:14] <Mischa> the loadlin faq doesn't say what I should fill in after root=/dev/
[07:14] <darkheart> pluffsy Just do an 'apt-cache search --names-only gnome' and it will list the gnome packages.
[07:15] <Mischa> I'm totally new to linux, so I don't know either
[07:15] <darkheart> Mischa Well, yeah...it looks like you have to specify what your root is, in other words, it's per-user.
[07:15] <darkheart> Mischa Why are you trying to install ubuntu that way?
[07:15] <Mischa> it's the only option left to me
[07:16] <TMM> StarScream, sorry, helping 2 people with X trouble now :)
[07:16] <pluffsy> darkheart: can I paginate that in some simple way?
[07:16] <StarScream> TMM: np
[07:16] <w-the-c> has anyone used Xorg 6.9 or 7 RC 0??
[07:16] <darkheart> pluffsy yeah 'apt-cache search --names-only gnome | less'
[07:16] <pluffsy> darkheart: thanks a lot :)
[07:17] <TMM> StarScream, we are actually getting somewhre
[07:17] <darkheart> pluffsy Np..I could have told you what package, but I figure this way you'll know how to get it yourself next time =)
[07:17] <darkheart> Mischa How do you mean?
[07:17] <Mischa> the only way I can get my last remaining (external, pcmcia) cd drive started is by loading it with an additional command in config.sys and autoexec.bat. that drive will not load itself at boot time
[07:18] <pluffsy> darkheart: great, but I don't know how to do the pipe symbol in terminal :( it's not alt-7 like on my mac :(
[07:18] <darkheart> Mischa LOL You are trying to boot from pcmcia CD-ROM?
[07:18] <NSK> will this work? mysqldump -uroot drupaldb | tar -jcf drupaldb.sql.tar.bz2
[07:18] <darkheart> pluffsy It's shift+\
[07:19] <Mischa> darkheart, I knew before I tried that booting from it wouldn't work
[07:19] <Mischa> but installing may be a different story
[07:19] <Mischa> I wanna install it to a yet unformatted part of my hdd
[07:19] <pr0tocol> bbiab
[07:19] <darkheart> Mischa Installing from pcmcia on an old computer is such a pain..I did that with an old IBM thinkpad and mandrake. You might try googling to see if ubuntu has any disk images to load the cd-rom for installation (mandrake did).
[07:20] <pluffsy> darkheart: hmm it seems to be only a semi working swedish keyboard in linux. darn... well I'll search packages.ubuntu.com then I guess.
[07:21] <Bateau_> i have a laptop. its a fujitsu siemens Lifebook. i want to connect another screen (21" Nokia 445Xi) to the laptop. when i connect the other screen, the screen is black. and when i press the "change screen" (FN+F10) buttons. i can se the screen flicker, and i see some of my desktop. i want to run dualscreen, og clone screen. please help
[07:21] <Mischa> to get the cd drive started, I must load the DOS shell kernel that the win98se bootdisk provides, and after that, loadlin is the only tool I could find so far that can be started from within a DOS prompt, to load a linux kernel
[07:21] <darkheart> pluffsy It is just 'gnome'
[07:21] <NSK> will the redirection work ?
[07:22] <darkheart> Mischa Well, what I was trying to say, is some distros provide a floppy image that you can write to disk and boot from that disk which will provide you with the drivers to load your cd-rom for the installation.
[07:22] <dbzdeath> hmmm i just installed amd64 ubuntu breezy and the /etc/init.d/networking script doesn't seem to work..it just freezes up i manually have to set my network cards up
[07:22] <pluffsy> darkheart: what I don't get is that when I search for gnome on packages.ubuntu.com it's in universe. shouldn't that be in the official packages?
[07:22] <mazeman> hi all .... is there an SQL manager tool to access MS SQL DBs ??  thx
[07:22] <dbzdeath> can someone help?
[07:22] <darkheart> pluffsy Hehe, I dunno..that's beyond me and sounds like bureaucratic crap.
[07:23] <pluffsy> darkheart: heh, alright. but after I sudo apt-get install gnome I could just type startx to get into gnome or will I have to make weird configs and stuff?
[07:23] <Mischa> darkheart, I did copy vmlinuz to my harddrive, and told loadlin that vmlinuz was the linux boot image
[07:24] <darkheart> pluffsy I'm not sure, come back and let me know and I'll see if I can help =)
[07:24] <Mischa> but every attempt so far ended in a "Kernel panic" message
[07:24] <darkheart> Mischa Yeah, that's not gonna work.
[07:24] <pluffsy> darkheart: thanks a lot
[07:25] <darkheart> Mischa http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-26710.html I dunno, just a shot in the dark.
[07:25] <darkheart> brb
[07:27] <Bateau_> is there no one that can help me? :(
[07:27] <dbzdeath> whats the problem Bateau_ ?
[07:28] <w-the-c> I'm running ubuntu breezy preview with ati's FireGL Mobility v3200 does anyone know if it might work better with 6.9 or 7.0 RC0??  I know it's unstable now...  but anyone tried it?
[07:28] <Bateau_> i want to connect another screen (21" Nokia 445Xi) to the laptop.
[07:28] <Bateau_> dbzdeath: ^^
[07:28] <dbzdeath> Bateau_: ummm twinview?
[07:28] <Bateau_> yes
[07:28] <Bateau_> ! :D
[07:28] <ubotu> Bateau_: Do they come in packets of five?
[07:29] <StarScream> TMM: sorry, i gotta cruise in a min. Thanks alot for your help though, it is really appreciated
[07:29] <peter_> Please  help, i have just compiled intels acpi tool, but when i want to use it i get this errorpeter@ubuntu:~/sbs-cm-20050328$ iasl -d dsdt.dat
[07:29] <peter_> bash: iasl: command not found
[07:29] <peter_> why is that??
[07:29] <Bateau_> ubotu: huh?
[07:29] <ubotu> Bateau_: NO SPEAKE ENLISH!
[07:29] <TMM> StarScream, I can't figure out what can possibly be wrong now... no obvious errors
[07:29] <dbzdeath> Bateau_: i think he wants one of the monitors... anyways... hmm twinview i have no idea sorry
[07:29] <Answer> ubotu: tell Bateau_ about ubotu
[07:29] <TMM> StarScream, not anymore anyway :) we elimated a couple during the last thing
[07:30] <dbzdeath> peter_: try ./iasl -d dsdt.dat
[07:30] <Bateau_> :P
[07:30] <StarScream> TMM: k, monitor refresh rates maybe?
[07:30] <peter_> bash: ./iasl: cannot execute binary file
[07:30] <peter_> no luck
[07:30] <darkheart> peter_ iasl isn't in your path
[07:31] <froggy25> how do you configure a micro innovations webcam on ubuntu
[07:31] <peter_> but it is in my folder
[07:31] <tritium> peter_, is it executable?  You might need to chmod +x it
[07:31] <TMM> StarScream, no, I think you are just really missing that font for some reason... let me check what the file is called
[07:31] <Bateau_> dbzdeath: so, i cant get dualscreen, og clonescreen? :(
[07:31] <StarScream> TMM: can i tell it to use a different one?
[07:31] <froggy25> can someone please help me
[07:32] <TMM> StarScream, do you have a fonts.alias file in /usr/share/X11/fonts/misc ?
[07:32] <dbzdeath> Bateau_: you can .. i'm just not sure how... at least you can with a nvidia card
[07:32] <peter_> tritium could u give me the exect command?
[07:32] <dbzdeath> there is a readme on nvidia.com
[07:32] <Bateau_> oh, i see. well, i dont have nvidia. i`v got intel :P
[07:32] <Answer> peter_:  chmod a+x <filename>
[07:32] <darkheart> tritium I don't think it has to do with being executable or not.
[07:33] <dbzdeath> Bateau_: oh... well... google is your friend
[07:33] <peter_> It tells me thatr there is no such file! Weird
[07:33] <StarScream> TMM: nope, fonts.dir but thats it
[07:33] <darkheart> Bateau_ You can't use twinview if you don't have nvidia, and I was asking you earlier about your setup and you never replied. No one can help if they don't know what you are running.
[07:33] <TMM> StarScream, ok, that's it
[07:34] <Madeye> darn, gaim wont run on breezy
[07:34] <Bateau_> i did reply darkheart!
[07:34] <darkheart> Bateau_ I'm sorry, I must have missed it.
[07:34] <peter_> anyone have en idea?
[07:34] <Bateau_> only, i didnt highlight you
[07:34] <StarScream> TMM: how do i make a fonts alias then ?
[07:34] <tritium> peter_, is that file in your current directory?  Where did you download it to?
[07:34] <holycow> fark
[07:35] <holycow> okay so anyone know how to set samba not to broadcast it self as the master dns server?
[07:35] <peter_> it is in my working directory. /home/peter/compiler
[07:35] <darkheart> Bateau_ Ah yeah, I see it in the log now. My co-worker has the same problem actually. I would suggest google, I'm sorry I don't have experience with the laptops, only dual monitors on a desktop.
[07:35] <tritium> peter_, and what does the command "pwd" return?
[07:36] <Bateau_> oh, oki. thanks anyway :)
[07:36] <darkheart> peter_ I know what you are experiencing. I have had that happen also and I'm not sure what causes it. Try opening up another console and trying to run it there.
[07:36] <TMM> StarScream, apt-get install --reinstall xfonts-100dpi xfonts-75dpi xfonts-base xfonts-scalable
[07:36] <TMM> StarScream, I *think* that would do it
[07:37] <peter_> im trying
[07:38] <rtcm> could someone running current breezy post their /etc/readahead/readahead file in http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/?
[07:38] <TMM> hey, cool... how can I test that usplash thing?
[07:38] <rtcm> and btw, does anyone know how is that file generated?
[07:38] <tritium> peter_, and what does the command "pwd" return?
[07:39] <tritium> TMM, you're running breezy?
[07:39] <TMM> tritium, yeah
[07:40] <tritium> TMM, sudo dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-2.6.12-8-386
[07:40] <StarScream> TMM: i love you!!
[07:40] <StarScream> TMM: works!
[07:40] <Will^Draven> hmm
[07:40] <darkheart> holycow What's happening?
[07:40] <peter_> /home/peter/compiler
[07:40] <Will^Draven> i just installed breezy, trying to setup cups, wont let me login...
[07:40] <TMM> tritium, ok, cool
[07:41] <TMM> tritium, 686 ok too?
[07:41] <peter_> no luck with terminal thing
[07:41] <TMM> tritium, pretty redundant question :) but still
[07:41] <peter_> why is it doing it!?
[07:41] <tritium> TMM, yes, that should do it
[07:42] <tritium> and then reboot, of course ;)
[07:42] <darkheart> peter_ I dunno man, but it drove me nuts too..When it happened to me, I didn't have the time to get it working.
[07:42] <TMM> tritium, o dear
[07:42] <peter_> could it be en error in the compilation?
[07:42] <TMM> tritium, cpio: ./for: Too many levels of symbolic links
[07:42] <TMM> tritium, don't tell me my initrd is hosed now...
[07:43] <peter_> anyone
[07:43] <darkheart> peter_ No, has nothing to do with that.
[07:44] <tritium> TMM, that's from dpkg-reconfiguring it?
[07:44] <TMM> tritium, yep
[07:44] <peter_> okay didnt think so
[07:44] <TMM> StarScream, it works? :) good
[07:45] <tritium> TMM, did that happen for the 386 kernel, or just the 686?
[07:45] <nightair> Breezy Preview; is there a way to get it to install smp kernel right from the initial install. seems to be a very hands-off install with lack of choices, which was fine but I'd like smp i686 from the start not plain 386
[07:45] <TMM> 386 in this case
[07:45] <TMM> turns out I hadn't installed the 686 afterall :)
[07:45] <rtcm> nightair: no
[07:45] <tritium> That definitely should not happen, TMM.  I don't know what might have caused that.
[07:45] <Nelo> Hello, I am trying to install ubuntu on la laptop without network access. the install hangs a 50% checking for repository connectiviy, could this be bypassed?
[07:45] <TMM> tritium, no kidding...
[07:45] <nightair> rtcm ok
[07:45] <tritium> nightair, but it's easy to install after the fact
[07:45] <TMM> tritium, I wonder if I have edited the mkinitrd stuff or something...
[07:46] <tritium> TMM, oh, really?
[07:46] <TMM> well, I was experimenting with some stuff a while back
[07:46] <nightair> tritium, hi yes I installed it afterwards
[07:46] <TMM> but I am pretty sure I put it back
[07:46] <darkheart> peter_ This probably won't do anything, but try 'sudo updatedb'
[07:46] <rtcm> Nelo: you are not connected to anything? are you sure?
[07:46] <darkheart> peter_ Then try running
[07:47] <Nelo> rtcm yeah...
[07:47] <rtcm> Nelo: in the dhcp step it should have asked you about not finding network...
[07:47] <Nelo> rtcm will try it again..
[07:48] <Bateau_> darkheart: i do get picture in bash! :D but not in X, that means there is just a refresh rate problem or something, right?
[07:49] <TMM> tritium, I'll try reinstalling grub...
[07:49] <darkheart> Bateau_ That sounds like it could be a possibility, yes =)
[07:49] <Bateau_> darkheart: indeed. but how do i sett that? :x
[07:49] <tritium> drobbins, Hello Daniel :)
[07:49] <drobbins> tritium: hiya :)
[07:50] <rtcm> Bateau_: bash doesn't get you a picture... the kernel framebuffer driver does :-)
[07:50] <darkheart> rtcm I think he just meant he could see the console.
[07:50] <Bateau_> rtcm: oki, mybad then :)
[07:50] <Bateau_> yeah, what darkheart said... :x
[07:50] <Bateau_> hihi
[07:51] <rtcm> Bateau_: check in your xorg.conf
[07:51] <Bateau_> rtcm: yes, there is a record there, Generic Monitor
[07:51] <TMM> tritium, same...
[07:52] <rtcm> Bateau_: 'man xorg.conf' check there for HorizSync and VertRefresh
[07:52] <TMM> tritium, it's probably got something to do with mkinitrd
[07:52] <tritium> TMM, yes, if you modified it, perhaps so.
[07:52] <darkheart> rtcm He's trying to set up dual displays on a laptop and a monitor
[07:52] <TMM> tritium, I checked, I haven't
[07:52] <rtcm> darkheart: oh, that depends on the driver then
[07:53] <tritium> TMM, can you please try reinstalling linux-386, then?
[07:53] <darkheart> rtcm =) Just thought I should fill you in. I'm not sure myself how to get what he wants working.
[07:54] <tritium> TMM, i.e., sudo aptitude install --reinstall linux-386
[07:54] <TMM> tritium, I tried with 686
[07:54] <TMM> fsck this, I'll try that too
[07:54] <tritium> TMM, ok
[07:54] <TMM> does it matter if I use apt or aptitude in this matter?
[07:54] <rtcm> Bateau_: what is your graphics card?
[07:54] <tritium> TMM, apt-get is fine.
[07:54] <darkheart> TMM No, they are all ways to manipulate libapt.
[07:55] <tritium> I'll be right back...
[07:55] <TMM> ok
[07:55] <neighborlee> since last update my sound on login is musted and alsamixer of course fixes it..what is causing this and what alsa command (  know its something about 'store' ) keeps the settings on subsequent boots ? ;-)
[07:55] <TMM> hmm
[07:55] <TMM> now it's installing more
[07:55] <TMM> it shouldn't have done that
[07:57] <darkheart> !tell neighborlee about alsa
[07:57] <darkheart> !alsamixer
[07:57] <ubotu> darkheart: I give up, what is it?
[07:57] <holycow> okay, tomboy rox
[07:57] <darkheart> neighborlee I forget exactly, but it's like 'alsamixer conf save' or something to save it. Try running 'man alsamixer' for info.
[07:57] <holycow> what a great way to store notes
[07:58] <neighborlee> darkheart, lol yeah I used to know but I've rarely  need to use it ;-)..ok thx
[07:58] <darkheart> neighborlee =)
[07:58] <tritium> TMM, I'm back.
[07:58] <TMM> good
[07:59] <TMM> :)
[07:59] <TMM> still no change
[07:59] <tritium> linux-386 should have pulled in other dependencies
[07:59] <TMM> tritium, it did, but -reconfigure still screws up
[08:00] <tritium> TMM, which package are you reconfiguring?
[08:01] <neighborlee> darkheart, well this doesn't really apply to me..I can hear sound 'after' I re-enable and turh off mutes in alsamixer,I just can't get them to stick after a reboot..NP though  I will investigate further
[08:01] <tritium> TMM, it may be necessary to file a bug report
[08:02] <nlindblad> hello
[08:02] <Lethal-Rocks> I have a question. If I move a ubuntu install from this PC onto another, will I be able to get it working? I know I'd have to change my fstab but I'm not sure if there's anything else
[08:02] <TMM> tritium, linux-image-2.6.12-8-386
[08:02] <TMM> tritium, I'm trying to reconfigure that...
[08:02] <tritium> TMM, if it fails, please file a bug report
[08:03] <CookedGryphon> hi, does anyone know y i can't download some of the updates, the linux image ones, the open office ones and the firefox ones just keep failing
[08:03] <SpudULike> Hi room. Can anyone help by telling me how to manually add a nameserver address to resolv.conf using the resolver utility?
[08:03] <jessy> #ubuntu.fr
[08:04] <dbzdeath> SpudULike: i'd just use a shell and type echo nameserver address >> /etc/resolv.conf
[08:04] <darkheart> neighborlee It's 'alsactl store' I think =)
[08:04] <jessy> hello
[08:04] <Zaacc> Hello :) I was wondering, Could anyone please help me out with a Debootstrap error that I get during installation?
[08:04] <SpudULike> dbzdeath: Well, I've editied it in vi, but it keeps being overwritten by resolver
[08:05] <jessy> can someone tel me the canal for french ubuntu pleaase..??
[08:05] <TMM> tritium, it fails...
[08:05] <darkheart> !fr
[08:05] <ubotu> somebody said fr was Va a #ubuntu-fr pour aide et discussion en francais
[08:05] <CookedGryphon> jessy, #ubuntu-fr
[08:05] <dbzdeath> SpudULike: thats because your using dhcp... which means your getting the info from a dhcp server on your network(usually your router)
[08:05] <segfault> !br
[08:05] <ubotu> Por favor use #ubuntu-br (/j #ubuntu-br) para ajuda em portugues. Obrigado.
[08:05] <TMM> tritium, I'll see what it tries to do then, might as well provide a fix
[08:05] <tritium> TMM, sorry.  I don't know the cause...
[08:05] <jessy> merci beaucoup a vous...
[08:06] <darkheart> jessy du rien =)
[08:06] <dbzdeath> thats better.. good ol xfterm4 :)
[08:07] <SpudULike> dbzdeath: This is true, bt the router 'apears' to be giving an incomplete set of nameservers.  I am having trouble resolving things like us.archive.ubuntu.com
[08:08] <tombs> hi ppl
[08:08] <dbzdeath> SpudULike: ok well your router is configured wrong..
[08:08] <Lethal-Rocks> Could anyone tell me how to use 3dwm as my wm?
[08:08] <dbzdeath> Lethal-Rocks: 3dwm? look any good?
[08:08] <SpudULike> Which is why I would like to force the nameserver address into resolv.conf
[08:09] <Lethal-Rocks> I dunno, I can't use it
[08:09] <Lethal-Rocks> 3ddesktop is though
[08:09] <dbzdeath> SpudULike: either fix your routers config or statically configure your network interface
[08:09] <tritium> TMM, how up-to-date is your breezy?
[08:09] <mindmedic> SpudULike, there is also a way to override your ns in dhcp3.conf
[08:09] <CookedGryphon> i thought 3ddesktop was a bit naff
[08:10] <Lethal-Rocks> Hehe
[08:10] <dbzdeath> naff?
[08:10] <Lethal-Rocks> But this is 3dwm I need help with now, not 3ddesktop
[08:10] <CookedGryphon> pointless, its easier to use the workspace switcher, and uses less resources
[08:10] <dbzdeath> mmmm
[08:10] <mindmedic> SpudULike, add this line to your network interface in /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf
[08:10] <CookedGryphon> oh yeah sry Lethal-Rocks lol
[08:10] <dbzdeath> what do you use CookedGryphon ?
[08:11] <mindmedic> supersede domain-name-servers <your dns ip>;
[08:11] <CookedGryphon> what for?
[08:11] <dbzdeath> CookedGryphon: wm?
[08:11] <Lethal-Rocks> A WM, I assume
[08:11] <CookedGryphon> i jsut have a standard desktop atm
[08:11] <SpudULike> Ah dhclient.conf
[08:11] <CookedGryphon> so metacity i think is the wm...
[08:11] <tritium> SpudULike, man dhclient.conf for lots of good info
[08:11] <dbzdeath> CookedGryphon: what do you normally use?
[08:12] <lundner> hey
[08:12] <Will^Draven> ive got a floppy .dsk image, how would i write it to a floppy?
[08:12] <dbzdeath> Will^Draven: man dd
[08:12] <CookedGryphon> dbzdeath, this, i tried the 3ddesktop and thought it was a waste of time, it was no easier to use, didn't even look impressive
[08:12] <SpudULike> dhclient.conf
[08:12] <Lethal-Rocks> lol
[08:13] <tritium> Will^Draven, use dd
[08:13] <Myrtti> <3 PostgreSQL
[08:13] <mindmedic> SpudULike, yes, after the "request" line for your network interface
[08:14] <pitti> Myrtti: I can only agree :-)
[08:14] <Will^Draven> i did "dd if=sbootmgr.dsk of=/dev/fd0" and all the files on it show up as having invalid encoding and are horrible garbled
[08:14] <Lethal-Rocks> So I take it no-one knows how to use 2wm as a wm
[08:14] <dbzdeath> http://www.cs.chalmers.se/~elm/projects/3dwm/ bah where are the screenies!
[08:14] <CookedGryphon> Lethal-Rocks, not really lol, dodes it come up as a different session type on ure login screen?
[08:15] <Lethal-Rocks> Nope
[08:15] <Lethal-Rocks> It it a window manager though...
[08:15] <CookedGryphon> i kno but they might have doe that neway
[08:15] <CookedGryphon> have u logged out n back in again since u installed it>?
[08:15] <Lethal-Rocks> Many times
[08:16] <CookedGryphon> have u tried running 3dwm --replace
[08:17] <Lethal-Rocks> I would, but I dunno where it's installed
[08:17] <CookedGryphon> is it not in ure path?
[08:17] <CookedGryphon> and if not go to search
[08:17] <CookedGryphon> and jsut search thru usr
[08:18] <Lethal-Rocks> there's docs in /usr/share/doc and dpkg stuff in /var/lib/dpkg and a init.d entry
[08:18] <Lethal-Rocks> I'll try the rtfm method
[08:18] <dbzdeath> anyone got any fast ubuntu repository mirrors handy? i think my mirror might be screwed
[08:18] <CookedGryphon> have u tried reading the doc?s
[08:21] <Seveas> hi
[08:21] <CookedGryphon> hi seveas
[08:21] <Seveas> not too busy in here :)
[08:21] <Lethal-Rocks> lol
[08:21] <darkheart> Seveas You missed it =)
[08:22] <CookedGryphon> hm, do u have any idea y certain updates feep failing? i'm tryign to get the firefox updates and the openoffice ones..
[08:22] <Seveas> guess so :)
[08:22] <Seveas> if jdub and tritium are showing their powrs, disasters must have happened...
[08:22] <darkheart> Seveas I had to single-handedly stave off the masses with a fork
[08:22] <nightswim> ?? root password
[08:22] <darkheart> Seveas Hehe..jk
[08:22] <nightswim> ?root
[08:22] <Seveas> nightswim, you might try and ask your question...
[08:23] <Seveas> CookedGryphon, what's the error?
[08:23] <CookedGryphon> bad IP headers i think it was.
[08:23] <Seveas> check your sources.list for bigus entries :)
[08:24] <CookedGryphon> well i'm using the sources.list that u posted on pastebin, so
[08:24] <Seveas> that should work
[08:24] <Seveas> try again and paste the complete error on the bin
[08:24] <darkheart> Seveas Oh..I did have a question...another user was in here with an error, but basically, he couldn't execute a file in the current directory. It would return with 'no such file or directory'. I've also had that happen. Do you know what causes it?
[08:24] <ramagaes> hi all
[08:25] <ramagaes> i've got a problem with the wireless connection. can anyone help?
[08:25] <Seveas> darkheart, chmod +x ./thefile && ./thefile
[08:25] <Seveas> ramagaes, no
[08:25] <CookedGryphon> Seveas, am doing
[08:25] <Seveas> you dod not tell us what the problem is
[08:25] <TMM> tritium, my breezy is only a couple of hours old
[08:25] <Seveas> so we cannot help :)
[08:25] <ramagaes> ok. it seems that it gets disconnected randomly from time to time
[08:26] <Seveas> that's the boogieman in your router ;)
[08:26] <darkheart> Seveas No, it wasn't a permissions error, it was like Ubuntu couldn't find the file even though the path was specified (./file)
[08:26] <ramagaes> Seveas, :) I don't think so
[08:26] <Seveas> darkheart, maybe a misspelling or forgot-to-escape-spaces error...
[08:27] <Lunar_Lamp> i am following this guide: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Rt2500WirelessCardsHowTo?highlight=%28wireless%29  but with the 2400 not the 2500 chipset driver.  when i come to installing raconfig section, i do cd ~/rt2500-cvs-daily/Utilitys  and it tells me the file was not found - when i navigate to what i think it means - i get a HUGE error message wheni try to sudo qmake -o Makefile raconfig2500.pro
[08:27] <Seveas> Lunar_Lamp, 2400 isn't 2500, find proper instructions for your card...
[08:27] <ramagaes> Seveas, I'm running ubuntu from a laptop
[08:28] <darkheart> Seveas Nope, I'm sorry I can't reproduce the error right now (at work), but it was typed correctly. Anyway, I just thought you might know.
[08:28] <Lunar_Lamp> Seveas, i was advised that the instructions would work
[08:28] <ramagaes> Seveas, I've wxp on another laptop. it does not loose connection. so it is not the router ;)
[08:28] <Seveas> darkheart, these are the only explanations that I can think of :)
[08:28] <thrush> ramagaes: if you shut the laptop it will often turn off your wifi card..
[08:28] <Seveas> ramagaes, check /var/log/daemon.log - that's where the dhcp client logs
[08:29] <Seveas> Lunar_Lamp, then ask the one who advised you that..
[08:29] <ramagaes> thrush, i don't use to close the laptop
[08:29] <ramagaes> Seveas, i'm checking it
[08:29] <lnxusr> hola alguien que pueda ayudarme'
[08:29] <lnxusr> ?
[08:29] <Seveas> !es
[08:29] <ubotu> Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #ubuntu-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda.
[08:30] <ZeMiKeY> Hello! I'm running Breezy and having difficulties playing sound with my Creative card. Never used linux before. Can anyone help me?
[08:30] <darkheart> ZeMiKeY Honestly, if you've never used Linux before, you should consider using a stable release.
[08:31] <Lethal-Rocks> ZeMiKeY, I agree with darkheart
[08:31] <thrush> ZeMiKeY: no sound at all?
[08:31] <Seveas> ZeMiKeY, breezy and 'never used linux before' don't match...
[08:31] <darkheart> ZeMiKeY Of course, if you are just in it for the learning, I suppose it doesn't matter, but if you want a working system, consider changing. Stable Breezy comes out in only a few weeks anyway.
[08:32] <dcraven> ZeMiKeY: Could be as simple as muted channels. Try the "alsamixer" command in a terminal to check.
[08:32] <ZeMiKeY> Hmm, okay, seems reasonable, darkheart. Yeah, only for testing out and learning
[08:32] <ZeMiKeY> thrush: No sound at all
[08:32] <CookedGryphon> Seveas, it wasn't just one type of error i was getting, here's the message for the ones that were failing to download (not quite all of them tho ) http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2218
[08:32] <alturigo> hi
[08:33] <ramagaes> Seveas, the only message i see that could be problematic is sit0: unknown hardware address type 776
[08:33] <ZeMiKeY> Hmm, dcraven, all channels seems to be unmuted
[08:33] <strat50s> hi!
[08:33] <Sonny_Wertzik> can someone tell me how to install smeg in hoarty?
[08:33] <HappyFool> !smeg
[08:33] <ubotu> [smeg]  a Simple Menu Editor for GNOME. Get it at http://www.realistanew.com/projects/smeg/ or from backports.
[08:33] <Seveas> CookedGryphon, apt-get update
[08:34] <HiddenFly> is there a program i can see how much every program on this system uses bandwith, for both directions, and if possible, limit it (kb/s)?
[08:34] <strat50s> just a question, I'd like to set some directories in the PATH when the computer starts... I've tried to add them in "PATH" variable in /etc/profile but this is not working...
[08:34] <Lunar_Lamp> i am trying to perform a make, but when i do so i get a huge output that is so large i cannot see the start of it - how can i do this?
[08:34] <strat50s> any clue?
[08:34] <Seveas> strat50s, /etc/bash.bashrc
[08:34] <strat50s> Lunar_Lamp, make > log_file.txt
[08:34] <HappyFool> strat50s: for one user only?
[08:34] <strat50s> no
[08:34] <strat50s> I want it for everybody
[08:34] <Sonny_Wertzik> i got it from http://www.realistanew.com/projects/smeg/ but i cant get it to install
[08:34] <Seveas> strat50s / Lunar_Lamp bad idea
[08:35] <Seveas> better do: make | tee nake_log
[08:35] <dbzdeath> is there any breezy backport mirrors that work???
[08:35] <Seveas> then you can see it on screen too :)
[08:35] <CookedGryphon> HiddenFly, yes there is, let me find the link
[08:35] <strat50s> Seveas, I think if I add this in bash.bashrc PATH will only be loaded when running bash
[08:35] <Seveas> there are no breezy backports yet...
[08:35] <Sonny_Wertzik> tried  apt get no dice
[08:35] <dbzdeath> ah nuts
[08:35] <Seveas> strat50s, gdm config then :)
[08:35] <strat50s> mmm
[08:35] <thrush> is there a way when I apt-cache search to tell the repo the package is from?
[08:35] <strat50s> Seveas, maybe when running gnome-session
[08:36] <alturigo> my wireless usb dongle won't work if it is plugged at boot (I have to unplug-plug), logs says "device descriptor read/64, error -110", is there any way to fix it?
[08:36] <HiddenFly> CookedGryphon: ok, thanks in advance :)
[08:36] <strat50s> I mean... there are some directories in the PATH by default
[08:36] <HappyFool> strat50s: you can add it to /etc/profile, and to /etc/X11/gdm/gdm.conf
[08:36] <strat50s> HappyFool, I've added it to /etc/profile and it's not working at all... I have to run /etc/profile and I don't want this
[08:36] <HappyFool> strat50s: /etc/profile for console/ssh users, and gdm.conf for gui login; look for 'DefaultPath' in gdm.conf
[08:36] <dcraven> dbzdeath: there is nothing to backport to breezy.. It's not even out yet.
[08:36] <telli> Hi, i'm trying to install Ubuntu on my desktop. When its trying to install the "Base system" or what its called it makes an error. "The debootstrap program exited witn an error (return value 32). Check /target/var/log/bootstrap.log for details.
[08:36] <telli> Anyone who can help me? :)
[08:37] <strat50s> ok
[08:37] <strat50s> I'll try gdm.conf
[08:37] <alturigo> telli, what does the log say?
[08:37] <telli> Well, im a novice at Linux, its my first time, so I dont even know how to see the log :S
[08:37] <Lunar_Lamp> strat50s, i did what you said - and all that is in the textfile is: g++ -c -pipe -w -O2  -DQT_NO_DEBUG -I/usr/share/qt3/mkspecs/default -I. -I. -I/usr/share/qt3/include -o raconfigform.o raconfigform.cpp
[08:38] <Sonny_Wertzik> i get this error...... Package smeg is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[08:38] <Sonny_Wertzik> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[08:38] <Sonny_Wertzik> is only available from another source
[08:38] <strat50s> mmmm
[08:38] <HappyFool> Lunar_Lamp: you might need to pipe stderr to the logfile as well
[08:38] <Lunar_Lamp> hmm
[08:38] <HappyFool> Lunar_Lamp: try     make &> makelog.txt
[08:39] <HappyFool> Lunar_Lamp: I'm not sure how to do what Seveas suggested if doing that; may 'make 2>&1 |tee makefile.log
[08:39] <Seveas> HappyFool, make 2>&1 | tee make_log
[08:39] <Seveas> lol :)
[08:39] <collusion> use >&
[08:39] <HappyFool> heh ;)
[08:39] <darkheart> Sonny_Wertzik You need to add a repository.
[08:39] <darkheart> !tell Sonny_Wertzik about repositories
[08:40] <CookedGryphon> HiddenFly, sorry, i can't seem to find it, somebody told me a bout it a few days ago
[08:40] <alturigo> telli, without the log is difficult to help, but I had also trouble installing base system, my problem was that CD was corrupt
[08:40] <CookedGryphon> HiddenFly, oh no wait, got it
[08:40] <HiddenFly> CookedGryphon: np, feel free to pm me about it when you happen to find something about it
[08:40] <Lunar_Lamp> HappyFool, the error message is about 700lines long - how do i go about working out what the problem is?
[08:40] <telli> alturigo, PM ? :)
[08:40] <HiddenFly> CookedGryphon: ok nice :)
[08:40] <HappyFool> Lunar_Lamp: look for the first one (i.e., start at the top)
[08:41] <Sonny_Wertzik> darkheart,  ok i look at those repositories
[08:41] <Sonny_Wertzik> thx
[08:41] <HappyFool> Lunar_Lamp: use 'less' or a text editor to view the file
[08:41] <CookedGryphon> HiddenFly, its not a native ubuntu app tho, its from the debian unstable, but i can't find a ubuntu specific one, so if ure careful it should b fine http://packages.debian.org/unstable/net/wondershaper
[08:41] <HiddenFly> k
[08:42] <HiddenFly> thx
[08:42] <telli> alturigo, what did you do then? :S
[08:42] <HappyFool> Lunar_Lamp: gcc errors should look like this:          <filename>:<line number>: error: <message here>
[08:42] <CookedGryphon> do u know how to install deb packages?
[08:42] <HiddenFly> nope :D
[08:42] <CookedGryphon> HiddenFly, sudo dpkg install (package name)
[08:42] <HiddenFly> ok thanks
[08:42] <HappyFool> dpkg --install i thought?
[08:42] <cevizoglu> how do I open multiple url's in firefox with one command?  " firefox www.ubuntu.com && firefox www.google.com &" will only take firefox to ubuntu.com
[08:43] <CookedGryphon> HappyFool, HiddenFly sry typo there
[08:43] <darkheart> Yeah it's dpkg --install or dpkg -i
[08:43] <alturigo> telli, first, check that the ISO was burned properly, and the the ISO you downloaded isn't corrupted either
[08:43] <Lethal-Rocks> cevizoglu, try ; instead
[08:43] <CookedGryphon> HappyFool, darkheart i've been apt-getting too much
[08:43] <HiddenFly> CookedGryphon: actually, i can see this software on my synaptic
[08:43] <CookedGryphon> Seveas, i'm still having the download problem
[08:44] <CookedGryphon> Hidden really? go 4 that one then
[08:44] <CookedGryphon> HiddenFly, *
[08:44] <pluffsy> I just installed server and wanted a gui. So I apt-get gnome. but startx doesn't work, no such file /usr/bin/X11/X so I guess it didn't install X11. I tried to search for x11 on packages.ubuntu.com but I didn't find anything called that. what should I search for and are there anything else I need to install to get gnome working?
[08:44] <HiddenFly> yea i do :)
[08:44] <telli> alturigo, okay i'll try
[08:44] <lizardking> hello
[08:44] <thrush> pluffsy: type gdm
[08:44] <lizardking> some help  form  me and my laptop?
[08:44] <telli> alturigo, can we write in PM ? :)
[08:44] <steven_Laptop> ? how do I stop the time scanning at boot up? I only want it to use the system set time...
[08:44] <alturigo> alturigo, I'm querying you ...
[08:45] <alturigo> telli, I'm queying you
[08:45] <lizardking> some help  form  me and my laptop?
[08:45] <telli> :)
[08:45] <AzMoo> How can I change the port that gnome bittorrent uses?
[08:45] <pluffsy> thrush: thanks
[08:45] <cevizoglu> Lethal-Rocks: this command will open firefox at ubuntu, and when I quit firefox will then open it again in google:  "firefox www.ubuntu.com;firefox www.google.com &"
[08:45] <nox_ghost> how to compile a package using apt ?
[08:45] <cevizoglu> Lethal-Rocks: but never mind, I will found out how to do it from firefox's gui
[08:45] <Lethal-Rocks> Try '& ;' then, which is what I meant ;)
[08:46] <lizardking> apt are already compiled
[08:46] <lizardking> U must install program with
[08:46] <Sonny_Wertzik> i have the smeg .deb file how do i install it....please/
[08:46] <kwilcox> you don't compile anything with apt
[08:46] <cevizoglu> Lethal-Rocks: er, I mean I found out how
[08:46] <Lethal-Rocks> lol
[08:46] <alturigo> telli, omg, I can't query because Im not registered...
[08:46] <lizardking> sudo apt-get install program
[08:46] <telli> :S
[08:46] <HappyFool> nox_ghost: maybe 'apt-get source --compile' ? read the apt-get man-page for more
[08:46] <CookedGryphon> Sonny_Wertzik, sudo dpkg -i (package name)
[08:46] <lizardking> sorry some help?
[08:46] <telli> #alturigo
[08:46] <lizardking> please
[08:47] <CookedGryphon> lizardking, what's the problem
[08:47] <lizardking> ok thnaks
[08:47] <lizardking> look this
[08:47] <CookedGryphon> then we'll tell u if we can help
[08:47] <nox_ghost> HappyFool, did it already. but how do i search the deb-src repos?
[08:47] <lizardking> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=65897
[08:47] <HappyFool> nox_ghost: i'm not sure how to search only those, sorry
[08:47] <lizardking> this is my and other problems
[08:48] <HappyFool> nox_ghost: maybe apt-cache showsrc ? (bit of a guess)
[08:48] <lizardking> a lot of people have this problem
[08:48] <lizardking> and no answer in the forum
[08:48] <lizardking> \name
[08:49] <cevizoglu> Lethal-Rocks, firefox www.ubuntu.com & ;firefox www.google.com &   - gives me a syntax error next to the semicolon
[08:49] <CookedGryphon> lizardking, sorry but i have no experience of this problem
[08:49] <Will^Draven> cevizoglu: what are you trying to do?
[08:49] <lizardking> ok why Urs messae are in red?
[08:49] <lizardking> message
[08:49] <cevizoglu> Will^Draven, I'm trying to open two url's in firefox simultaneously from command-line
[08:50] <Will^Draven> sec
[08:50] <CookedGryphon> lizardking, cos i'm talking to u, and saying ure name, so it goes red to bring ure attention to it
[08:50] <CookedGryphon> it doesn't go red if i don;'t say ure name
[08:50] <Lunar_Lamp> i am reading an FAQ trying to work out why i'm having problems - and it says: "Ensure that you have the sources in the expected locations (/usr/src/linux-2.x.x) and that you have a symlink from /lib/modules/2.x.x/build to that source folder)" - how do i check this?
[08:50] <lizardking> I must copy your name?
[08:50] <CookedGryphon> lizardking, eh?
[08:50] <Answer> lizardking: it highlights msgs containing your name in red, see ?
[08:50] <lizardking> CookedGryphon, i must copy your name with Control+c ora there is a tag
[08:50] <cevizoglu> don't listen to them, lizardking
[08:50] <lizardking> like \name
[08:50] <cevizoglu> j/k
[08:51] <Sonny_Wertzik> CookedGryphon,  ok got it in thank U!
[08:51] <lizardking> CookedGryphon, I see I see
[08:51] <CookedGryphon> lizardking, if u start typing Cookedgryphon then press tab it autcompleetes ion xchat
[08:51] <CookedGryphon> CookedGryphon,
[08:51] <CookedGryphon> intersting it dunt go red if u say ure own name
[08:51] <HappyFool> cevizoglu: over here      'firefox http://www.google.com & firefox http://www.yahoo.com&' opens two tabs with those two sites
[08:51] <lizardking> CookedGryphon, beautilfiul
[08:52] <lizardking> CookedGryphon, cool like terminal
[08:52] <CookedGryphon> exactly
[08:52] <bytefoo> anyone have acpi experience
[08:52] <lizardking> some other help form me?
[08:52] <CookedGryphon> bytefoo, i have experience of it not working ...
[08:52] <Lunar_Lamp> i am reading an FAQ trying to work out why i'm having problems - and it says: "Ensure that you have the sources in the expected locations (/usr/src/linux-2.x.x) and that you have a symlink from /lib/modules/2.x.x/build to that source folder)" - how do i check this?
[08:52] <bytefoo> my laptop just won't poweroff
[08:52] <lizardking> my problem is here http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=352571#post352571
[08:52] <bytefoo> it says it powers off, and quits and all but then hangs at "Powering Off."
[08:52] <bytefoo> but everything else works :D
[08:53] <bytefoo> even closing the lid :D
[08:53] <HappyFool> Lunar_Lamp: have you install linux-headers-386 (or similar) ?
[08:53] <lizardking> I have same problem with NO fullscreen and games (frozen bubble)
[08:53] <CookedGryphon> bytefoo, does it want u to press the power button>
[08:53] <Lunar_Lamp> HappyFool, i think so - but how do i check?
[08:53] <lizardking> caused by ati
[08:53] <bytefoo> CookedGryphon, I would think it would ask me  or tell me to press the butotn right?
[08:53] <HappyFool> Lunar_Lamp: use synaptic, it'll probably be easiest
[08:53] <darkheart> !tell lizardking about ati
[08:53] <bytefoo> perhaps not though
[08:53] <cevizoglu> HappyFool, got it, I turned on the tab loading in prefs and your script worked
[08:53] <HappyFool> Lunar_Lamp: otherwise try       dpkg -l "linux-headers-*"
[08:53] <lizardking> darkheart, ati works
[08:53] <CookedGryphon> bytefoo, not if it thought it had already switched itself off
[08:53] <lizardking> darkheart, ati only I have that problem
[08:54] <bytefoo> that makes no sense :-/
[08:54] <bytefoo> since acpi doesnt work  taht way ...
[08:54] <bytefoo> :|
[08:54] <Makee> hi! can anybody help me... Im trying to install ubuntu 5.10 for amd 64, but installation just halts when it gets to 25% complete. What is a problem?
[08:54] <Deep6> anyone have problems with the artwiz fonts in fluxbox?
[08:54] <CookedGryphon> bytefoo, bytefoo does ure laptop have al thermal management anf=d things set up?
[08:55] <Earthen> my auto mount died can someone tel me how I can mount the cd rom from command line
[08:55] <CookedGryphon> bytefoo, cos mine jsut tells me the battery percentage and that's it
[08:55] <CookedGryphon> Earthen, mount /dev/cdrom
[08:55] <bytefoo> yes i have all that set up
[08:55] <CookedGryphon> bytefoo, did it do it automatically or did u ahve to do somethign to get it to work?
[08:55] <bytefoo> automatically
[08:55] <Earthen> CookedGryphon: thank you
[08:56] <bytefoo> but before, when asus didn't fix the DSDT table i had to do it manually
[08:56] <bytefoo> configuring lmsensors and such
[08:56] <CookedGryphon> Earthen, np, did it work, sometimes u ahve to specify the filesystem
[08:56] <bytefoo> that was a while ago though
[08:56] <Lunar_Lamp> HappyFool, i have got them installe
[08:56] <HappyFool> Lunar_Lamp: what are you trying to install?
[08:56] <CookedGryphon> bytefoo, interesting.. i'm jsut ho[ping its gna jsut work with breezy lol
[08:57] <Earthen> we it was actully a friend who wrote me an E-mail so i don't really know
[08:57] <bytefoo> maybe
[08:57] <Earthen> :-/
[08:57] <bytefoo> breezy didnt detect oen of my desktops network cards
[08:57] <bytefoo> but hoary did
[08:57] <nox_ghost> when i do "checkinstall" - a .deb file is created. when i install it, will i be able to remove it in the future by "sudo apt-get remove <pkg>" ?
[08:57] <bytefoo> so it's a crapshoot :O
[08:57] <CookedGryphon> Earthen, well tell em to do man mount and read up on it
[08:58] <Lunar_Lamp> HappyFool, trying to configure wireless drivers for wireless card - trying to sort out installing the RaConfig
[08:58] <Whistler> hi
[08:58] <Earthen> CookedGryphon: all he told me was that he broke his auto mount
[08:58] <Whistler> is ati drivers still broken in breezy?
[08:58] <pvanhoof> what package contains the graphical boot in breezy?
[08:59] <funkyHat> usplash
[08:59] <Earthen> how do you type massage to me that make my X-Chat beep
[08:59] <HappyFool> Lunar_Lamp: ok, you should have a symoblic link at /lib/modules/2.6.10-5-386/build
[08:59] <funkyHat> it has your name in it Earthen
[08:59] <deFrysk> pvanhoof, asplash
[08:59] <deFrysk> I think
[08:59] <pvanhoof> asplash and usplash? :)
[08:59] <pvanhoof> well
[08:59] <deFrysk> usplash sorry ;s
[08:59] <pvanhoof> it's not installed when upgrading hoary to breezy
[08:59] <pvanhoof> that's a bug
[08:59] <deFrysk> geez
[08:59] <funkyHat> pvanhoof, it was for me
[08:59] <HappyFool> Lunar_Lamp: can you paste the first 10 or 20 lines of the make output to the pastebin ?
[08:59] <pvanhoof> adding it to bugzilla
[09:00] <Earthen> funkyHat, O ok
[09:00] <Lunar_Lamp> HappyFool, the error is huge - but i'll try
[09:00] <funkyHat> pvanhoof, it may be managed by ubuntu-desktop, have you removed that?
[09:00] <HappyFool> Lunar_Lamp: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl (just in case)
[09:00] <deFrysk> pvanhoof, did you install ubuntu-base after ?
[09:00] <Earthen> funkyHat, ty
[09:00] <HappyFool> Lunar_Lamp: try     head -20 makelog.txt
[09:00] <funkyHat> np :)
[09:00] <pvanhoof> deFrysk, dist-upgrade
[09:01] <deFrysk> pvanhoof, check if metapackage ubuntu-base is installed
[09:01] <pvanhoof> it wasn't installed
[09:01] <pvanhoof> installing it :)
[09:01] <deFrysk> pvanhoof, before you file bug
[09:01] <deFrysk> pvanhoof, usplash is part of ubuntu-base
[09:01] <pvanhoof> oik
[09:02] <Lunar_Lamp> HappyFool, http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2219
[09:02] <sorush20> anyone here been able to fix the profile lock on thunderbird I still haven't been able to fix it for a few months now..
[09:03] <Krneki> hay
[09:03] <HappyFool> Lunar_Lamp: at a guess, you need the qt development libraries
[09:03] <Krneki> how do i open sh files
[09:03] <lizardking> hello
[09:03] <lizardking> always me
[09:03] <cevizoglu> Krneki, with your favorite text editor
[09:03] <funkyHat> sorush20, delete the lockfile from your profile directory. (i'll just fire up tb so i can find the name of it)
[09:03] <HappyFool> Lunar_Lamp: install the libqt3-dev package
[09:03] <Krneki> yes
[09:03] <piyapong> vi
[09:03] <funkyHat> is that what you mean?
[09:03] <lizardking> I habe no problem installin ati but post ati
[09:03] <Krneki> but i it write that is installer
[09:03] <lizardking> The screen that I get is black and a box 640x480 with the game inside.Works all well but not this thing. Which Option in Xorg I must write?
[09:03] <lizardking> Moreover when I change resoultion Ubuntu says that i have no Xrandr extension enable..How can do to enable?
[09:03] <Makee> hi! can anybody help me... Im trying to install ubuntu 5.10 for amd 64, but installation just halts when it gets to 25% complete. What is a problem?
[09:04] <cevizoglu> Krneki: huh?
[09:04] <sorush20> funkyHat: I have a hundred times
[09:04] <Lunar_Lamp> HappyFool, ok
[09:04] <piyapong> hey, anyone have prob with firefox????
[09:04] <lizardking> jdub, some help?
[09:04] <Makee> aaregh
[09:04] <khermans> I dont see the kernel source for 2.6.12 in the beezy repos -- therfore I cannot build ndiswrapper
[09:04] <khermans> any ideas?
[09:04] <Lunar_Lamp> HappyFool, ok - i'm trying that now
[09:04] <lizardking> some help with XrandR extension?
[09:05] <piyapong> I install new kernel, then after my browser doesn't work anymore???
[09:05] <lizardking> Lunar_Lamp, some help with XrandR?
[09:05] <Krneki> actuall i want to have firewall on ubuntu and i want that some port are reforwarded to one other pc
[09:05] <deFrysk> khermans, I believe its linux-source
[09:05] <piyapong> any idea?
[09:05] <lizardking> ubotu, not soleved before
[09:05] <ubotu> lizardking: Are you on ritalin?
[09:05] <lizardking> what's ritalin?
[09:05] <khermans> deFrysk, ahh thanks dude
[09:05] <lizardking> ubotu, what is ritalin?
[09:05] <ubotu> lizardking: what are you talking about?
[09:06] <HappyFool> a drug. ubotu is a bot, just ignore him ;)
[09:06] <deFrysk> lizardking, something to slow you down
[09:06] <lizardking> ubotu, listen
[09:06] <cevizoglu> lizardking: don't talk to the bot
[09:06] <lizardking> ubotu, sorry
[09:06] <Krneki> is there possible to have firewall on ubuntu
[09:06] <ubotu> lizardking: I give up, what is it?
[09:06] <Lunar_Lamp> lizardking: Lunar_Lamp, some help with XrandR? <-- i have no idea what that means, lol
[09:06] <cevizoglu> lizardking: stop
[09:06] <HappyFool> !firewall
[09:06] <ubotu> it has been said that firewall is Ubuntu has, like every other linux distribution, firewalling built into the kernel. A simple frontend to this firewall is firestarter.
[09:06] <lizardking> ubotu, Xrandr is a Extension for Xorg
[09:06] <ubotu> lizardking: okay
[09:07] <lizardking> ubotu, if I presso change screen resolution Ubuntu say I have no Xrandr
[09:07] <ubotu> I haven't a clue, lizardking
[09:07] <cevizoglu> !botabuse
[09:07] <ubotu> You can play with me on #debian-bots without being banned.
[09:07] <lizardking> ubotu, what's clue?
[09:07] <ubotu> lizardking: What?
[09:07] <HappyFool> lizardking: you can't really talk to ubotu -- he's just a computer program
[09:07] <lizardking> HappyFool, ooooooooops
[09:07] <deFrysk> HappyFool, he knows that I'm sure
[09:07] <lizardking> HappyFool, I did not know
[09:07] <JeffAMcGee> it looks like ubotu passed the turing test
[09:08] <lizardking> HappyFool, Can U read my post?
[09:08] <lizardking> HappyFool, http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=352571#post352571
[09:08] <cevizoglu> JeffAMcGee: he convinced you he was a girl?
[09:08] <Krneki> HELP me
[09:08] <Earthen> ubotu, I installed firestarter today and it killed my internet sharing
[09:08] <ubotu> Earthen: I don't know, could you explain it?
[09:08] <JeffAMcGee> no, but he convinced lizardking he was a person
[09:08] <lizardking> yes really
[09:08] <lizardking> :(
[09:08] <lizardking> stupid
[09:09] <lizardking> eheh
[09:09] <lizardking> :D
[09:09] <cevizoglu> that's funny, two minutes ago I told lizardking we was a bot
[09:09] <lizardking> I did'n understand
[09:09] <lizardking> some help for my post?
[09:09] <lizardking> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=352571#post352571
[09:09] <HappyFool> lizardking: sorry, i'm not sure what the problem is. does ati work with xrandr ?
[09:09] <Earthen> ubotu, well I have internet sharing going through Dansguardian to filter the kids, and squid for proxy, and when i installed firestarted Ino one could get internet access even though i told it to allow all access from that network interface
[09:09] <ubotu> Earthen: I'm sorry, i don't know what you're talking about
[09:10] <lizardking> it is no a big problem
[09:10] <HappyFool> Earthen: ubotu is just a computer program...
[09:10] <lizardking> I have to go
[09:10] <lizardking> sorry
[09:10] <lizardking> answer at my post if U have answer
[09:10] <lizardking> bye
[09:10] <lizardking> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=352571#post352571
[09:10] <Earthen> HappyFool, DOH!
[09:10] <ebf> elo
[09:11] <rob_p> Krneki:  Try Ubuntu-firewall if you can live without a fancy firewall configuration gui.  It's a startup script that provides a nice firewall along with NAT and port forwarding capabilities. The Website is here: http://rob.pectol.com/content/view/27/1/
[09:11] <cevizoglu> he didn't know ubotu was a bot, but he created an entry in ubotu for xrandr
[09:11] <cevizoglu> !xrandr
[09:11] <ubotu> well, xrandr is a Extension for Xorg
[09:11] <ebf> can i ask here about redhat?
[09:11] <cevizoglu> ebf: no
[09:11] <Earthen> HappyFool, *bows head in shame*
[09:11] <Krneki> thanks
[09:11] <hoodman> Anyone here that doesent mind me asking alot of questions?
[09:11] <HappyFool> i think lizardking's first language may not be english
[09:11] <HappyFool> ubotu, forget xrandr
[09:11] <ubotu> i forgot xrandr, HappyFool
[09:11] <ebf> why not?
[09:12] <HappyFool> ebf: you can ask, but we are unlikely to know the answer
[09:12] <fabiorizzo> hi
[09:12] <cevizoglu> ebf: ask
[09:12] <thewayofzen> if installed openbox and obconf with apt-get .. anyone able to tell me the location of where i should put styles/themes
[09:12] <hoodman> Will ubuntu work with my hardware?, mobo, sound, display ect?
[09:12] <fabiorizzo> how i discovery what is the 0xbc key in my keyboard?
[09:12] <sorush20> how do i start thunderbird in extension less mode.
[09:13] <thrush> hoodman: try the livecd and see =)
[09:13] <HappyFool> hoodman: if you can, try the live cd first to test all that (i.e., run ubuntu without installing)
[09:13] <hoodman> ok...
[09:13] <ebf> its just simple? i went to the redhat channel and it told me to change to Federo core, my question is why do i have to change to federa?
[09:13] <HappyFool> hoodman: otherwise, take a look at wiki.ubuntu.com/TitleIndex -- look for the Hardware* pages, maybe your hardware is listed
[09:13] <hoodman> will any aplications im using now work with ubuntu?
[09:13] <transgress> damn the real world sucks... a beagle in the real world will not hunt down my glasses
[09:14] <HappyFool> ebf: fedora core is the 'free' version of redhat; redhat proper is pay-for software
[09:14] <fabiorizzo> i can made questions here?
[09:14] <ds[de] > fabiorizzo: just ask
[09:14] <cevizoglu> ebf: if you're going to switch to fedora, you might as well switch to ubuntu instead
[09:14] <fabiorizzo> ds[de] : how i find the 0xbc key in my keyboard ?
[09:15] <MikeStyle> Hi, I'm trying to install something from source, but it says i need Glib 2.0+. I check Synaptic and i have 1.2 and 2.0 installed, but Im afraid to remove 1.2 because of all it says it will get rid of...
[09:15] <fabiorizzo> ds[de] : i don't know what is this key
[09:15] <cevizoglu> ebf: fedora is the newer free version of red hat
[09:15] <thrush> MikeStyle: apt-get install build-essential yet?
[09:15] <ebf> i already have a cd of ubuntu 5.10 but its giving me a hard time because im a first time user of linux
[09:15] <HappyFool> MikeStyle: at a guess you need the libglib2.0-dev package
[09:15] <hoodman> will any of my windows aplications work with ubuntu?
[09:15] <cevizoglu> ebf: when you upgrade, if you want to stick with red hat, you would upgrade to fedora
[09:15] <transgress> cevizoglu: how do you figure if you are gonna switch to fedora you should switch to ubuntu?  there are differences...
[09:16] <cevizoglu> ebf: you should use hoary instead
[09:16] <ds[de] > fabiorizzo: I don't know which key you mean, what do you need it for?
[09:16] <cevizoglu> transgress: because I think fedora's no good
[09:16] <HappyFool> hoodman: you might be lucky with wine (a windows compatibility layer); it depends what software it is
[09:16] <cevizoglu> ebf: that's version 5.04
[09:16] <transgress> ...
[09:16] <ebf> ok
[09:16] <hoodman> i see
[09:16] <transgress> ah on that note... i need to upgrade to breezy
[09:16] <transgress> yay for dist-upgrade
[09:17] <hoodman> what about networking a winXP computer with a Ubuntu computer?
[09:17] <fabiorizzo> ds[de] : look at the keyboad shotcurts in system
[09:17] <MikeStyle> HappyFool, i have that already
[09:17] <HappyFool> "need" or "can't-put-off-the-compulsion-anymore" ? ;)
[09:17] <fabiorizzo> ds[de] : there, has some shotcurts keyboards
[09:17] <cevizoglu> transgress: I've had increasing difficulty with red hat since version 7 came out
[09:17] <CrTr> Need more urls for /etc/apt/sources.list
[09:17] <MikeStyle> thrush, i installed Build-essential, now what?
[09:17] <cevizoglu> transgress: but I'm off-topic, I'll be quiet
[09:17] <fabiorizzo> ds[de] : like <alt> + <f5>
[09:17] <sanketmedhi> hello
[09:17] <HappyFool> MikeStyle: what error do you get when compiling (don't paste here! use http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl )
[09:18] <fabiorizzo> ds[de] : but, has some keys like, oxbc, thas i don't know what the keys is this?
[09:18] <ds[de] > fabiorizzo: ok hold on
[09:18] <sanketmedhi> I am facing problems allowing my normal user write stuff to a mounted windoze partition
[09:18] <fabiorizzo> ds[de] : ok.
[09:18] <transgress> cevizoglu: ah i see... well i like fedora quite a bit... but it doesn't suit my needs as well as ubuntu...
[09:18] <sanketmedhi> can anyone help?
[09:18] <dcraven> hoodman: Linux can network with anything.
[09:18] <thrush> MikeStyle: can you compile now?
[09:18] <MikeStyle> Ill check
[09:18] <hoodman> ok
[09:18] <dbzdeath> hey how do you set the cc environment variable to a different gcc version?
[09:18] <grass> hoodman: xp and ubuntu --- no problems via network
[09:19] <HappyFool> CC=gcc-4.0 <stuff>
[09:19] <cevizoglu> transgress: ubuntu is the only distro which works perfectly for me on all my hardware, which includes a powerbook
[09:19] <cevizoglu> transgress: and being based off debian makes it even better
[09:19] <hoodman> where can i find software that will work with ubuntu, like antivirus and such
[09:19] <dcraven> hoodman: My opinion is that you should not count on your Windows applications to work, generally.
[09:19] <dbzdeath> HappyFool: so... CC=gcc-3.4.5 would work?
[09:19] <MikeStyle> HappyFool and Thrush, http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2220
[09:19] <HappyFool> dbzdeath: something like '  CC=gcc-3.4.5 make' should work
[09:20] <HappyFool> dbzdeath: also    make CC=gcc-3.4.5   (i think)
[09:20] <hoodman> dcreven-is there a place to find software that will work?
[09:20] <grass> hoodman: try clamav or bitdefender
[09:20] <dcraven> hoodman: No need for av software for Linux just yet, but something like ClamAV will filter windows viruses from emails and such.
[09:20] <HappyFool> hoodman: ubuntu has 'software repositories' providing about 15000 different pieces of software (all gratis), including clamav
[09:21] <ds[de] > fabiorizzo: which action does this key "belong to"?
[09:21] <hoodman> grass....what are those clamav, and bitdefender?
[09:21] <hoodman> wow
[09:21] <transgress> here goes nothing... upgrading to breezy on the main machine... went over like a gentle breeze (pun!) on the laptop last night
[09:21] <dbzdeath> Your kernel was built with "gcc" version "3.4.5", while you are trying to use
[09:21] <dbzdeath> "/usr/bin/gcc" version "4.0.2". This configuration is not supported and VMware
[09:21] <dbzdeath> Workstation cannot work in such configuration. Please either recompile your
[09:21] <dbzdeath> kernel with "/usr/bin/gcc" version "4.0.2", or restart /usr/bin/vmware-config.pl
[09:21] <dbzdeath> with CC environment variable pointing to the "gcc" version "3.4.5".   hmmm CC=gcc-3.4.5 doesn't work
[09:21] <dcraven> hoodman: No Windows only software will work with Linux without a compatibility layer like wine. www.winehq.org will give more details if you like I think.
[09:21] <grass> hoodman: what kind of sw do u need: av, browser, mailclient, games,
[09:21] <dbzdeath> oops
[09:21] <ds[de] > fabiorizzo: because it can't find it here
[09:22] <hoodman> Yes...lol
[09:22] <HappyFool> dbzdeath: you need to have CC=... on the same line as the command, or use export CC=...
[09:22] <hoodman> im thinking about installing it for the first time
[09:22] <grass> hoodman: clamav and bitdefender are antivirus software
[09:22] <CrTr> Need more urls(repositories)  for /etc/apt/sources.list
[09:22] <hoodman> ok
[09:22] <MikeStyle> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2220
[09:22] <dcraven> hoodman: If you are serious about the switch, I'd suggest searching for Linux alternatives for your software if possible.
[09:22] <grass> hoodman: but there are many other av software for linux
[09:22] <HappyFool> MikeStyle: hoary comes with glib 2.6.3
[09:22] <hoodman> ok
[09:22] <dbzdeath> HappyFool: ok i just did that and it still doesn't work
[09:22] <Cryptid> Does any body know how amny Softwares are present in synaptec (a approx num.) i was told 16000 is that true
[09:23] <hoodman> ya i really need to start looking
[09:23] <HappyFool> MikeStyle: that message is a bit unclear, but I think you might need 2.8.1
[09:23] <FlyingSquirrel32> what open source software can I use to open, edit and resave a pdf?
[09:23] <HappyFool> dbzdeath: what command are you running? make? configure?
[09:23] <dbzdeath> HappyFool: running the vmware configure program
[09:23] <cevizoglu> Cryptid: that's about right
[09:23] <HappyFool> dbzdeath: this is a standard 'configure' script ?
[09:23] <dbzdeath> HappyFool: uh.. not standard
[09:24] <neiras> Hey everyone - usplash is cool but I'd like it to run at my native resolution (1280x1024). Is there a way to tell it to use vesafb at that res? I can't seem to find any configuration info
[09:24] <HappyFool> dbzdeath: do you have gcc-3.4.5 ?
[09:24] <MikeStyle> Synaptic only has 2.0 and 1.2
[09:24] <dbzdeath> HappyFool: uh not sure i'm running breezy
[09:24] <HappyFool> MikeStyle: they're just called 2.0, version is actually 2.6.3
[09:24] <HappyFool> dbzdeath: you probably need to install the appropriate gcc package first
[09:24] <dcraven> Cryptid: "apt-cache search .* | grep wc" says 17549.
[09:25] <grass> hoodman: try http://wiki.ubuntu.com for first contact
[09:25] <HappyFool> dbzdeath: then try    CC=gcc-3.4.5 /usr/bin/vmware-config.pl    again
[09:25] <MikeStyle> HappyFool, oh, well in that case its allready installed, so is 1.2, should i remove 1.2? im not sure if itll remove everything it says it will (KDE, ect.)
[09:25] <grass> hoodman: or similar webpages, simply google them
[09:25] <HappyFool> MikeStyle: that is, the package is just called 2.0
[09:25] <dbzdeath> HappyFool: gcc-3.4 isn't on... installing now
[09:25] <HappyFool> MikeStyle: no, the problem seems to be that you need a later version
[09:26] <MikeStyle> I have the laterversion happyfool
[09:26] <HappyFool> MikeStyle: can you not use the version of gaim that comes with hoary?
[09:26] <HappyFool> MikeStyle: you installed glib from source too ?
[09:26] <MikeStyle> I am trying to install PhoneGaim
[09:26] <MikeStyle> and Glib from soure? it asks me for a bunch of other stuff to install and then i get errors
[09:27] <dcraven> hoodman: www.google.com/linux is a good resource.
[09:27] <funkyHat> neiras, i'm posing a bug about that right now in fact :P
[09:27] <funkyHat> or even, did a while ago, i forgot i finished it lolz
[09:27] <funkyHat> 15507
[09:27] <juanfe> hello all
[09:27] <fabiorizzo> ds[de] : so, i can't find this key too
[09:28] <neiras> funkyHat: cool
[09:28] <dbzdeath> dammit stupid gcc 3.4.4
[09:28] <MikeStyle> HappyFool, i have no idea whats going on.
[09:28] <HappyFool> MikeStyle: i don't understand line 201 in that configure output
[09:28] <topyli> i got a pdf again which is garbage in evince but ok with acroread
[09:28] <HappyFool> MikeStyle: ok, you are running ubuntu 5.04 (hoary), yes?
[09:28] <MikeStyle> Uhm
[09:28] <grass> bye guys
[09:29] <HappyFool> MikeStyle: cat /etc/lsb-release will tell you
[09:29] <MikeStyle> HappyFool, 4.10
[09:29] <dcraven> topyli: Is that pdf public? I'd like to try it. I haven't had problems with evince yet, but I've heard of others having them.
[09:29] <HappyFool> MikeStyle: erk
[09:29] <MikeStyle> HappyFool, i got ubuntu a while ago :)
[09:29] <topyli> dcraven: it's a conference invitation, but i don't think it's very secret. i'll upload it to my site, hold on
[09:30] <Myrtti> *yawn*
[09:30] <Myrtti> my brain is segfaulting
[09:30] <HappyFool> MikeStyle: ok, well, what I *guess* is going on is you have glib version 2.6.3, but this app needs glib 2.8.1 -- i.e., a newer glib
[09:30] <MikeStyle> How would i get the newer glib HappyFool,
[09:30] <juanfe> do you know a screen capture utility for linux?
[09:30] <HappyFool> MikeStyle: install from source would be my guess
[09:30] <deFrysk> juanfe, print screen button in gnome
[09:31] <dbzdeath> HappyFool: do you know how i can get gcc 3.4.5 on and not 3.4.4?
[09:31] <topyli> dcraven: http://siltala.net/flyer7.pdf
[09:31] <MikeStyle> I tryed installing The latest GTK from GTK.org and it wouldnt let me
[09:31] <Will^Draven> what command would i use to erase a floppy disk? i somehow ended up with a bunch of garbage on one
[09:32] <dalamar> mount /dev/fd0 somewherre and rm the contents
[09:32] <Cryptid> My DVD which have multiple movies do not run i guess it due to the menu present in it, so what do i do to solve this problem
[09:32] <HappyFool> MikeStyle: you may be about to enter a dependency nightmare, especially if you've not done much compiling etc. before
[09:32] <deFrysk> Will^Draven, applications systemtools floppyformatter
[09:32] <neiras> Aha, it's a framebuffer issue - my laptop's chipset doesn't like vga16fb
[09:32] <neiras> crappy
[09:32] <dcraven> topyli: Woah.. Yeah there are some font rendering issues there it seems.
[09:32] <topyli> something like that
[09:32] <juanfe> an screen capture utility that permit select a part of screen?
[09:32] <MikeStyle> HappyFool, I'm fine with compiling, but every time i compile something i usually get something like "this needs this to install" then i try to install that and "this needs this to install" grr
[09:33] <froggy25> how do you configure webcams on ubuntu
[09:33] <Will^Draven> thanks deFrysk
[09:33] <thrush> Will^Draven: you could always fdformat ;)
[09:33] <HappyFool> dbzdeath: i don't see a gcc-3.4.5 here: http://packages.ubuntu.com/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=gcc&searchon=names&subword=1&version=breezy&release=all
[09:33] <topyli> dcraven: this is bad. we should get rid of acroread but cannot while this happens
[09:33] <HappyFool> MikeStyle: hence 'dependency nightmare' ;)
[09:33] <froggy25> i have a micro innovations IC50C camera
[09:33] <froggy25> i need to configure it for ubuntu and its not in my list
[09:33] <HappyFool> MikeStyle: maybe read the glib or gtk 'INSTALL' or 'README' file -- do they not have a comprehensive list of dependencies, with version?
[09:34] <dcraven> topyli: Well poppler is a pretty recent fork. It's come a long way in the short time since Evince was announced. It'll get there eventually :)
[09:34] <dbzdeath> HappyFool: yeah well i kinda need it... even if i have to install it from a hoary repository
[09:34] <MikeStyle> happyfool: ah. Is there a way to do all this through synaptic? i searched glib and it says the latest version is 2.6.3
[09:34] <topyli> dcraven: of course, i could write to the organizers and say, "you are nice people and i'd love to come, but cannot read your flier. so you'll get a rubbish talk from me" :)
[09:35] <HappyFool> MikeStyle: well, ubuntu doesn't really upgrade within a release, so i don't know if there's any easy way
[09:35] <AzMoo> How can I play mp3's in the gnome music player?
[09:35] <MikeStyle> HappyFool, sigh, okay...
[09:35] <HappyFool> MikeStyle: however, the new (still in testing) ubuntu comes with glib 2.8.1
[09:35] <HappyFool> MikkelK: ... doh
[09:35] <HappyFool> oops, sorry
[09:35] <dcraven> topyli: I'd suggest keeping acroread around for the time being :)
[09:35] <hoodman> to preview umbuntu live, i just unrar the file and burn it to cd?
[09:36] <topyli> dcraven: poppler is very cool anyways, it will get there
[09:36] <deFrysk> AzMoo, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[09:36] <dcraven> topyli: But maybe attach the pdf to a bug against the poppler lib? --> http://poppler.freedesktop.org/
[09:36] <AzMoo> deFrysk, cheres
[09:36] <AzMoo> cheers, even
[09:36] <deFrysk> ;)
[09:36] <dbzdeath> dammit why was the kernel compiled with gcc 3.4.5
[09:36] <topyli> dcraven: i'll do that
[09:36] <dcraven> topyli: Cool.
[09:36] <HappyFool> dbzdeath: hoary appears to have 3.4.3
[09:37] <dbzdeath> yeah... i kinda need 3.4.5 :(
[09:37] <HappyFool> dbzdeath: well, if you're willing to go to all this effort, why not compile the kernel?
[09:37] <dbzdeath> because i can't be bothered waiting that long
[09:37] <dcraven> topyli: When loading that pdf, this is the error given: some font thing failed
[09:37] <dcraven> lol
[09:38] <needsambahelp> question: samba asks for a password when i view the network, how do i turn this off, the network is open for everyone in the hosue
[09:38] <neiras> needsambahelp: I have the same issue - clicking cancel on the auth box lets me see the shares, it's weird
[09:38] <needsambahelp> neiras, can i wisper you
[09:38] <neiras> needsambahelp: didn't do that in hoary
[09:38] <neiras> needsambahelp: sure
[09:39] <GhostFreeman> How soon can I reset my system after updating the kernel
[09:39] <dbzdeath> needsambahelp: setup a guest user?
[09:39] <djm62> GhostFreeman: as soon as it's finished updating it
[09:39] <hoodman> to preview umbuntu live, i just unrar the file and burn it to cd? (i have been watching closly, but i dont think we talked about it)
[09:39] <GhostFreeman> will it force me too, is what i'm asking
[09:39] <djm62> nope
[09:40] <needsambahelp> dbzdeath, neiras I hit cancle and my shares arent there, not even the computer i'm on
[09:40] <GhostFreeman> oh ok
[09:40] <neiras> whoops, phone
[09:40] <dcraven> hoodman: Did you download a .iso file?
[09:40] <hoodman> shit...i think winrar snags isos
[09:40] <hoodman> i was wondering
[09:41] <dbzdeath> needsambahelp: because you were denied when you clicked cancel perhaps
[09:41] <woodwizzle> whenever I open my home dir in nautilus, my CPU goes to 100% and when I kill nautilus the CPU doesn't come back down
[09:41] <dcraven> hoodman: I know nothing of "winrar".
[09:41] <robzon> hmm any ubuntu developers around? ;)
[09:41] <nybble> bonjour, people
[09:41] <needsambahelp> dbzdeath, so if i add a guest account, everything should work out? i'll try it
[09:41] <taku> hi there =)
[09:41] <nybble> why hello, taku
[09:42] <topyli> dcraven: ok, i'll launch the pdf from a terminal and attach the error messages too
[09:42] <hmrocha> hello
[09:42] <hmrocha> just a question...
[09:42] <hmrocha> i have a cups server, exporting some printers...
[09:42] <hoodman> dcraven: its a compression program
[09:42] <dbzdeath> needsambahelp: lol it isn't windows 98 :P
[09:42] <hmrocha> i have ubuntu configured to get that server's printers, but i only want students to see one printer
[09:42] <Answer> hmrocha: try to form your question in one entry please so people can try to answer it
[09:42] <hmrocha> is that possible?
[09:42] <theblue> This is gonna sound like a dumb question, but how do I mount a floppy drive from the command line?
[09:43] <dcraven> hoodman: If it's a .iso file, you can just write it to a CD. Windows can do it through a context menu can it not?
[09:43] <hmrocha> Answer, ok
[09:43] <dcraven> hoodman: Or "nero"
[09:43] <dalamar> mount /dev/fd0 /wherever
[09:43] <needsambahelp> dbzdeath, lol yeah
[09:43] <theblue> Ok thanks.
[09:43] <taku> people, I'm looking for a music creator that runs under linux ( like "Music 2000" or "E-jay music maker" ), can someone tell me if such a thing exists
[09:43] <taku> ?
[09:43] <hoodman> ya...its going now...it was my own sillyness that i couldnt do it
[09:43] <robzon> hmrocha: yes, it's possible you have to give access to the printer to a specific group of users (here students)
[09:44] <dcraven> hoodman: Just make sure you don't just copy the ISO to a CD though.. You need to burn the image.
[09:44] <hmrocha> is is possible to set a cups server that is exporting a lot of printers, and all users of group "students" only see one printer?
[09:44] <djm62> taku: terminatorX ?
[09:44] <hmrocha> robzon, cool
[09:44] <robzon> taku: check out hydrogen, terminatorX, audacity and soundtracker
[09:44] <hoodman> dcraven....thanks its burning now
[09:44] <thrush> taku I know there is a knoppix livecd just for music stuff you might see what they have running on it..
[09:44] <dcraven> hoodman: Cool. Good luck with it :)
[09:44] <hmrocha> robzon, easy to do that?
[09:44] <djm62> I think there are other ones
[09:44] <transgress> doesn't breezy use OO.o 2?
[09:44] <taku> thanks, I'll take take a look at all of this =) thanks djm62 robzon and thrush
[09:45] <hoodman> dcraven: im hoping it works well, i have an extra computer and am hoping to use it for storage and downloading
[09:45] <dcraven> hoodman: And don't bother trying to run Windows .exe files on it, they won't work :P
[09:45] <hoodman> hehehe
[09:45] <hoodman> k
[09:45] <djm62> none of the tools are particularly "pro" except maybe ardour and audacity
[09:45] <ui> rosegarden
[09:45] <robzon> hmrocha: I can't give you the config file, because I just can't remember how it went, but google for samba howto... it should be pretty easy, it's something like "allow from @students" and defining a group of students
[09:46] <djm62> ui: not that this is the place, but, compared to Cakewalk?
[09:46] <hmrocha> robzon, why do i need samba?
[09:46] <taku> ok djm62, I'll take a look, not bad if it isn't very professional, I'm not pro :p
[09:46] <topyli> here's a real question for you: how do you talk to the nokia 9300 communicator with a linux box?
[09:46] <needsambahelp> dbzdeath, so $su useradd guest right?
[09:46] <robzon> hmrocha: uhh sorry, I meant cups :)
[09:46] <djm62> taku: there are some nice demo scratches from terminatorX
[09:47] <taku> I'm looking terminatorX, it seems to be very nice
[09:47] <dcraven> topyli: Assuming that's a mobile device, maybe bluetooth?
[09:47] <dbzdeath> needsambahelp: um... i'm not too cluey on samba... but you would need to add it as a smb user ... ie. smbpasswd -a user
[09:47] <robzon> taku: yes, terminatorX is great for scratches :)
[09:47] <Daemonic> what must I apt-get for a SMP enabled kernel?
[09:47] <dcraven> topyli: I used bluetooth to pass code back and forth to a Nokia 3600 a while back until I threw it against the wall.
[09:48] <Will^Draven> ok, im having problems installing breezy on a compaq armada e500 laptop, ive pasted what i beleive to be the relevant info: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2221
[09:48] <transgress> Daemonic: apt-cache search linux-image | grep SMP
[09:48] <Will^Draven> any ideas?
[09:48] <topyli> dcraven: maybe, and infrared too. that could work with file transfer. that's what i managed with the earlier 9210 and p3nfs
[09:48] <Will^Draven> seems to be crapping out when trying to write the partitions
[09:48] <Daemonic> transgress: ok, found it.. now, one more quick thing if you will, how can I tell apt to fetch the kernel but not install it?
[09:49] <bushk> how can i get a wireless network device (wlan0) to send a dhclient request by default?
[09:49] <topyli> dcraven: of course, i'd like to sync my calendar and other stuff with evolution too, but oh well...
[09:49] <tear> !wne
[09:49] <ubotu> tear: Do they come in packets of five?
[09:49] <tear> !wine
[09:49] <robzon> taku: what kind of music do you want to create?
[09:49] <needsambahelp> dbzdeath, you sir are the man, i've been working with this for 3 days and couldnt get it to work. thank you thank you!
[09:50] <djm62> bushk: in System->Administration->Networking
[09:50] <dbzdeath> needsambahelp: *shrugs* i'm surprised it worked... but your welcome
[09:50] <Lethal-Rocks> Could someone remind be how to burn an ISO?
[09:50] <dbzdeath> Lethal-Rocks: using..?
[09:50] <shawarma> Lethal-Rocks: From commandline?
[09:50] <venzen> 'sup everybody
[09:50] <djm62> Lethal-Rocks: a normal ISO? just right click in nautilus
[09:50] <taku> robzon:  ambiance-music
[09:50] <robzon> LeeColleton: lots of ways... gnomebaker, k3b, even nautilus
[09:50] <Lethal-Rocks> preferably a gui
[09:51] <bushk> djm62, manual way?  not running gnome
[09:51] <Fred|Fr3d> hey, how do i make a program auto-start on boot?
[09:51] <dbzdeath> k3b i recommend Lethal-Rocks :)
[09:51] <deFrysk> Lethal-Rocks, just right click it in nautilus and choose burn
[09:51] <taku> some stuff to get prepared in programming an "audio experience" application =)
[09:51] <dcraven> topyli: You might pull that off with Multisync and the SyncML plugin. Nokia device still use SyncML AFAIK.
[09:51] <bushk> djm62, i got this in my /etc/network/interface: iface wlan0 inet dhcp
[09:51] <Lethal-Rocks> I have synaptic downloading about 300 packacges, install new ones isn't an option ;)
[09:51] <Lethal-Rocks> Will try right-clicking ;)
[09:51] <shawarma> Fred|Fr3d: Which program?
[09:51] <dbzdeath> fuck .... 300..
[09:52] <dcraven> Lethal-Rocks: In GNOME, you just right-click on it.
[09:52] <venzen> |Fr3d: you gotta 'save this session' when logging out (leave application open) and it will start on next login
[09:52] <djm62> bushk: and it doesn't do it? if you do ifdown wlan0&&ifup wlan0 ?
[09:52] <robzon> taku: ambience... Hmm i think some kind of tracker would be good for that (soundtracker, cheesetracker).. what's that "audio experience" application?
[09:52] <Fred|Fr3d> shawarma: like psybnc
[09:52] <Lethal-Rocks> I know, I've been told twice :P
[09:52] <Omarkj> I have a laptop here..wiress working and so on. Does anybody know of a good wireless solution since I'm on the move a lot ?
[09:52] <topyli> dcraven: they do. multisync itself is not very stable yet. also, it works only over tcp/ip connections, which i'd have to hack to work over bluetooth. it's scary
[09:52] <deFrysk> Lethal-Rocks, right click it ! (3x)
[09:52] <bushk> djm62, yes, that works. :)  the problem is it doesn't do that on boot.
[09:52] <Omarkj> That is a profiling program of some sort?
[09:52] <Spermite> how would i update from kde 3.3 to 3.4 of debian??
[09:53] <djm62> bushk: is it a pcmcia card?
[09:53] <taku> robzon: some ... how can I say ...
[09:53] <Daemonic> how do I tell apt to only download a package but not install it? apt-get -d <pacakge>?
[09:53] <robzon> by the way, anyone had a problem with burning in nautilus that it just wasn't able to detect a blank CD in the drive and kept asking for it?
[09:53] <deFrysk> Daemonic, man apt will tell you
[09:53] <bushk> djm62 yes
[09:53] <taku> something to make user humor matching with a music
[09:53] <Lethal-Rocks> robzon, yes
[09:53] <venzen> man apt-get
[09:53] <taku> can you understand?
[09:53] <deFrysk> man apt-get yes , sorry
[09:53] <Fred|Fr3d> shawarma: i just wanna start 2 processes on boot... no gui login is used so that wont work
[09:53] <robzon> Lethal-Rocks: did you get to fix the problem?
[09:53] <Daemonic> deFrysk: I just did that and it says the -d flag but it keeps saying that five packages are marked for install...?
[09:54] <djm62> bushk: have you done anything unusual in init.d?
[09:54] <robzon> taku: yes, I think so :)
[09:54] <Lethal-Rocks> robzon, No, I've only just got it
[09:54] <yahalom> what is the app that turns on number lock at boot?
[09:54] <shawarma> Fred|Fr3d: Standard procedure is to put a startup script into /etc/init.d and put a link to it in /etc/rc2.d
[09:54] <venzen> numlockx
[09:54] <deFrysk> Daemonic, install fakeroot and do fakeroot apt-get -d package
[09:54] <robzon> Lethal-Rocks: ok, so let me know if you find a solution to this :)
[09:54] <yahalom> venzen, thanx
[09:54] <Lethal-Rocks> robzon, Mine is slightly different though
[09:54] <Fred|Fr3d> shawarma: how do i create a startup script?
[09:54] <bushk> djm62, havn't modified it at all.  hotplug devices are pulled up, wlan0 find's most suitable AP, just doesn't send dhcp request.
[09:55] <Lethal-Rocks> robzon, It thinks the file is too big :/
[09:55] <djm62> bushk: in the boot sequence, you get "starting card services" before "configuring network interfaces"?
[09:55] <Will^Draven> can somebody knowledgeable about partitioning issues have a look at this? http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2221
[09:55] <venzen> Fred - depends: there are lots in /etc/rc2.d
[09:55] <bushk> djm62, that i'd have to check..what's the cmd?  dmesg?
[09:55] <robzon> Lethal-Rocks: yeah, it says something like "insert CD with at least X MB free", right?
[09:55] <Lethal-Rocks> Yeah
[09:56] <Lethal-Rocks> Although putting a blank in both drives seems to have solved it :S
[09:56] <Fred|Fr3d> venzen: i mean like, whats the format for the file? all the ones i looked in are really long as they have all this extra stuff like rehash or reload etc
[09:56] <djm62> bushk: cd /etc/rc2.d &&ls
[09:56] <malex> Hi. Is there a doc on flash drive automounting set up in hoary/breezy?
[09:56] <robzon> Lethal-Rocks: you have 2 recorders?
[09:56] <Lethal-Rocks> Yeah
[09:56] <robzon> taku: is it going to be open-source? ;)
[09:56] <Daemonic> deFrysk: ok, just tried that.. it's giving me an invalid operation error
[09:56] <Lethal-Rocks> I could put another ROM in as well :P
[09:57] <taku> hydrogen seems funny
[09:57] <deFrysk> Daemonic, waht gave you that ?
[09:57] <robzon> Lethal-Rocks: well, I have a DVD and a CD recorder.. maybe if I'll switch them, it'll work
[09:57] <bushk> djm62, finding a start (S20)pcmcia, but nothing about networking besides inetd (also S20)
[09:57] <deFrysk> Daemonic, dit you install fakeroot ?
[09:57] <Lethal-Rocks> robzon, Good idea :P
[09:57] <deFrysk> did*
[09:58] <venzen> Will: maybe you can first rewrite the part. table by booting from Ubuntu LiveCD : use cfdisk and then use e2fschk
[09:58] <djm62> bushk: in my rcS.d (startup, my bad) hotplug is S40, same as networking
[09:58] <Daemonic> deFrysk: ~ # fakeroot apt-get -d linux-image-686-smp
[09:58] <Daemonic> E: Invalid operation linux-image-686-smp
[09:58] <djm62> bushk: this seems to be ok for most things, but maybe your card is a bit odd on timing?
[09:58] <Daemonic> deFrysk: ~ # apt-get -d linux-image-686-smp
[09:58] <Daemonic> E: Invalid operation linux-image-686-smp
[09:58] <deFrysk> Daemonic, is synaptic open ?
[09:58] <transgress> umm can you not aptitude install linux-image-686-smp ?
[09:58] <Daemonic> deFrysk: no. I don't use synaptic..
[09:59] <bushk> djm62, same for mine.
[09:59] <Daemonic> never had a problem using apt-get before.. why on this kernel image would it fail?
[09:59] <IIdarkstarII> re to all
[09:59] <IIdarkstarII> i've a problem with apt-get, when i try to download some packages, after some minutes it disconnects my dialup connection
[09:59] <IIdarkstarII> i'm using breezy preview
[09:59] <IIdarkstarII> ops on amd64
[09:59] <bushk> djm62, so should i do a mv S40hotplug s39hotplug or something?
[09:59] <markuman> hi is lirc modules only for kernel 2.4? and what is with kernel 2.6? is it inclued?
[10:00] <Daemonic> transgress: I don't want to install the smp image.. I want apt to retrieve it without installing
[10:00] <djm62> bushk: it's a guess...but move it behind some other stuff to give it time to initialise
[10:00] <transgress> Daemonic: oh okay
[10:00] <Will^Draven> venzen: i guess i can try.. going to be a long and painful process considering i only have one CDRW to work with and anytime i want to change what cd im using i have to reburn it, lol
[10:00] <bushk> djm62, aight thanx, i'll fiddle.
[10:00] <venzen> markuman: i think ir support is compiled into 2.6
[10:00] <deFrysk> Daemonic fakeroot apt-get install -d blah sorry
[10:00] <pipoun> using kde, how is it possible to keep the focus under the mouse?
[10:00] <GhostFreeman> Anyone here using mail-notification with a Gmail account
[10:01] <venzen> Will: do you have Knoppix or any other live cd?
[10:01] <psy|ubu> heya
[10:01] <venzen> heya
[10:01] <Will^Draven> nope :(
[10:01] <robzon> eh yeah, nautilus definitely tries to detect an empty CD in my DVD instead of recorder :/
[10:01] <dbzdeath> yay.... go go ubuntu kernel compile
[10:01] <psy|ubu> i've got trouble in ubuntu land :)
[10:01] <IIdarkstarII> somebody has the same problem?
[10:01] <Daemonic> deFrysk: ok. that seems to have worked but it says.. The following NEW packages will be installed:
[10:01] <Daemonic>   linux-image-2.6.10-5-686-smp linux-image-686-smp
[10:02] <Daemonic> deFrysk: I don't want to /install/ it.. I want to retrieve it.
[10:02] <markuman> ok venzen
[10:02] <dcraven> GhostFreeman: Still doesn't work eh? ;P
[10:02] <GhostFreeman> no
[10:02] <dcraven> GhostFreeman: I gave up on it a while ago too.
[10:02] <GhostFreeman>  it works for POP3 but it won't check my Gmail account (login failed errors)
[10:02] <venzen> Will : download and burn a small distro which includes cfdisk and e2fschk - it seems your drive is messed up at the partition table level, so have to check its integrity and correct before u will be able to repartition
[10:02] <dcraven> GhostFreeman: Same.
[10:03] <bytefoo> same :|
[10:03] <transgress> GhostFreeman: did you make sure pop3 was enabled on gmail?
[10:03] <GhostFreeman> yeah, it is
[10:03] <GregAsche> what's the easiest way to make it so that I can double click on links in my terminal and have them open in firefox?
[10:03] <Will^Draven> ok, i'll poke around and see what i can find
[10:03] <GhostFreeman> should I just make another pop3 and check Gmail through that
[10:03] <djm62> GregAsche: rather than right-click?
[10:03] <transgress> GregAsche: can't really... that's a terminal thing... gnome-terminal allows you to right click and do it
[10:04] <taku> sorry, little problem
[10:04] <GregAsche> transgress: I use Gnome terminal, but is there a plugin or extension or something so that I can double click?
[10:04] <transgress> GregAsche: umm not that i've ever seen.
[10:04] <topyli> dcraven: bugzilla is so bureaucratic. i only now got the bug committed :)
[10:05] <GregAsche> by the way, highlighting and right clicking doesn't work for me
[10:05] <libben> fuck
[10:06] <libben> 192 mb to be downloaded... and thats just one day ive left it on not to upgrade =)
[10:06] <topyli> GregAsche: to copy and paste? you paste with the middle button
[10:06] <maximaus> just right click w/o hilighting and choose "open in browser"
[10:06] <maximaus> the link will open in your default Gnome browser.
[10:06] <GregAsche> no, highlight the url and right click, open link so that it opens in foirefox
[10:06] <GregAsche> it doesn't work
[10:06] <GregAsche> oh
[10:06] <djm62> GregAsche: you don't need to hightlight, or you shouldn't...if it's a real url "http://address.suf"
[10:07] <sambagirl> should i getting tightvcn or just vcn?
[10:07] <topyli> GregAsche: gnome-terminal should not need any higlighting, it recognizes urls
[10:07] <sambagirl> they dont having the deb thingy on end but rmp
[10:07] <maximaus> System/Preferences/Preferred Applications--make sure Firefox is set to default.
[10:07] <GregAsche> topyli: it recognizes the url, but what do I do to get it to open?
[10:07] <funkyHat> sambagirl, there is already a VNC server and client built in to ubuntu
[10:08] <goo> Hi. I upgraded to Ubuntu Breezy from Hoary some days ago, and my keyboard doesn't work anymore. The AltGr key doesn't work as it is supposed to, so the "at" sign and all the bracket signs is impossible to get to. Does anyone know how to fix this?
[10:08] <topyli> GregAsche: like you say, right click and choose open. is it b0rken?
[10:08] <lilricky> goo, do a fresh install
[10:08] <goo> lilricky: a fresh install of anyting?
[10:08] <lilricky> breezy
[10:09] <GregAsche> topyli: yep
[10:09] <lilricky> upgrading from hoary breaks alot
[10:09] <sambagirl> oh!
[10:09] <lilricky> they recommend doing a clean install
[10:09] <topyli> GregAsche: have you defined a default gnome browser in the preferences menu?
[10:09] <goo> lilricky: If I am going to do an fresh install I will install something else than Ubuntu, that's for sure.
[10:09] <sambagirl> but is it the tightvcn?
[10:09] <topyli> GregAsche: never mind, something should be default anyway
[10:09] <lilricky> you do know that breezy is an alpha release, right?
[10:10] <lilricky> its for testing, not for using
[10:10] <djm62> sambagirl: tightvnc is available for ubuntu, via aptitude
[10:10] <topyli> lilricky: that's hogwash
[10:10] <djm62> lilricky: it's beta
[10:10] <lilricky> topyli, you want to read the release notes?
[10:10] <topyli> lilricky: upgrades always work, the system might be broken of course
[10:10] <goo> lilricky: would doing an fresh install be the recommended thing to do also after Breezy is considered stable? Or is that something they just say while it's "alpha" ?
[10:10] <GregAsche> topyli: I don't see anything in gnome terminal prefs about a default browser
[10:11] <lilricky> god, no one reads TFM anymore :(
[10:11] <topyli> GregAsche: in the menu: system - prefs - preferred apps
[10:11] <topyli> GregAsche: the gnome menu that is
[10:12] <CrTr> Do I need to reboot after dist-upgrade ?
[10:12] <GregAsche> okay, done that
[10:12] <goo> As an complete reinstall is out of the question - does anyone know how to give me an Norwegian keyboard with the AltGr key working on Breezy? Any help would be greatly appreciated!
[10:12] <GregAsche> yay, looks like it works now
[10:12] <GregAsche> thnaks
[10:12] <GregAsche> *thanks
[10:12] <venzen> CrTr: sometimes
[10:12] <dcraven> CrTr: You do if you want to use your new kernel.
[10:12] <lilricky> goo, have you tried changing the keymap?
[10:12] <CrTr> 10x
[10:12] <taku> robzon: could you gime the adress of this knoppix audio, I can't succed to get the page
[10:12] <topyli> GregAsche: strange, there should always be a default, "sensible-browser" in debian language
[10:13] <timmow> I reckon upgrading the system as installed would be fine, its when you add to it yourself that problems happen
[10:13] <goo> lilricky: as in setting Option          "XkbLayout"     "no" to something else?
[10:13] <jip> how can i backup a dvd? both, cpvts and dvdbackup complain about read errors
[10:14] <robzon> taku: knoppix audio? never heard of it :)
[10:14] <travioso> is there an easy way to play wmv9 (vc1) files?  vlc is giving me hell on breezy..  windoze pissed me off for the last time.. :)
[10:14] <lilricky> exactly
[10:15] <npfet> hmm hey does anyone of something (perhaps an IDS or like an IDS) which would passively monitor a network say for traffic like worms/exploits/etc...
[10:15] <test34> how can I autorun a program as root when I start the computer (ie firestarter)? I tried to add "sudo /etc/init.d/firestarter start" in System - PReferences - Sessions - Startup Programs but it doesnt work
[10:15] <taku> erf robzon excuse me, It must be djm62 that told me about knoppix audio : /
[10:15] <venzen> npnet : snort
[10:15] <taku> djm62:  do you have any adress ? : /
[10:15] <test34> I mean when X windows starts after you log in
[10:16] <Lethal-Rocks> test34, "update-rc.d firestarter defaults" should work, not sure if it needs sudo
[10:16] <djm62> taku: wasn't I, but ISTR a couple of audio liveCDs
[10:16] <concept10> test34: add this to your sessions: sudo firestarter --start-hidden
[10:16] <taku> oh ok
[10:16] <djm62> taku: dyne:bolic from http://rastasoft.org/
[10:16] <djm62> might be up your street
[10:16] <timmow> anyone using muine on breezy? does it crash?
[10:17] <taku> thanks a lot djm62
[10:17] <test34> thanks Lethal-Rocks and concept10  I will try that
[10:17] <venzen> concept10: cool
[10:17] <thrush> taku i saw the knoppix musician livecd on distrowatch
[10:17] <Jowi> hi all, anyone got "sketch" working? After a fresh install of it it spews out script errors...
[10:18] <taku>  thanks a lot thrush, I run to take a look at this
[10:18] <djm62> taku: also agnula/demudi seems to have a livecd available
[10:18] <thrush> taku: =)
[10:18] <concept10> test34: although it gives you a warning on start, it still works... that is from the firestarter documentation. Add that to your startup programs tab under System > Prefs > Session
[10:18] <venzen> demudi is the bizniz
[10:19] <taku> thanks a lot too djm62 =)
[10:19] <test34> concept10, ok I had the warning already.. but it was hidden even if I didnt give the --start-hidden parameter
[10:20] <test34> concept10, I don't really want it to be hidden though
[10:20] <concept10> test34: im not sure how to get rid of the warning. (it requires root access) - Hidden means that it will not popup everytime you login, it will still be in the notification panel.
[10:21] <test34> concept10, ahhh ok thanks
[10:21] <topyli> ahh. rastasoft. i almost want to use dynebolic because or the name of the project
[10:21] <topyli> suits well for a free software project
[10:21] <test34> restarting gnome to test it..
[10:22] <djm62> topyli: dynebolic is pretty technically good too
[10:22] <Omarkj> What's the thing with always-on fans..
[10:22] <djm62> man united
[10:22] <venzen> what thing
[10:22] <dreumah> whats a good juke box to install, i dont like rhythmbox or juk
[10:22] <Omarkj> Well, the fan is always on. ;)
[10:22] <topyli> djm62: how could it not be? it's nature, not babylon
[10:22] <dbzdeath> hmmm anyone got vlc installed on breezy?
[10:22] <Omarkj> Even if it's blowing out cold air. (a laptop)
[10:23] <topyli> djm62: so that's what i'll install when i finally set up my music workstation?
[10:23] <Answer> Question: What's that easy command to see the system memory?   Like df for disk usage
[10:23] <dbzdeath> Answer: cat /etc/meminfo
[10:23] <djm62> topyli: depends what you want...if you were doing live streaming radio it's pretty good
[10:23] <harrytuttle> Answer: free -m
[10:23] <dbzdeath> erm
[10:23] <taku> damn ... there isn't any app as simple as a e-jay or "music 2000" ...
[10:24] <djm62> or DJ-ing
[10:24] <eliUbuntu> hello people
[10:24] <dbzdeath> i mean cat /proc/meminfo
[10:24] <dbzdeath> but free -m works
[10:24] <venzen> topyli:don't judge a book by its cover - also try demudi
[10:24] <test34> concept10, I have sudo firestarter --start-hidden  in my startup programs and I still get the warning and firestarter doesnt get started..
[10:24] <eliUbuntu> anyone know how to copy a file into multiple directories at once using the command line?
[10:24] <topyli> djm62: oh, i'm thinking more about making music. demudi might be a good choice venzen
[10:24] <Answer> dbzdeath: correct answer was free -m given by harrytuttle :)
[10:24] <Omarkj> Anyway, does anybody know a good network profiling progam ?
[10:24] <djm62> topyli: vive la difference
[10:24] <Omarkj> That actually works?
[10:25] <dbzdeath> wtf is that bot?
[10:25] <topyli> or perhaps ubuntu, with a demudi-like package collection
[10:25] <venzen> Omarkj: noderunner - but no .deb package
[10:25] <Omarkj> venzen: Thanks, I'll check it out. I ought to be able to compile something all by myself.
[10:25] <harrytuttle> eliUbuntu: for i in /dir1/ /dir2/ /dir3/ ; do cp /file "%i" ; done
[10:25] <kido> i forgothow to launch vnc, where's it located?
[10:25] <venzen> sure
[10:26] <Answer> kido: whereis vnc    locate vnc
[10:26] <Omarkj> venzen: I'm unable to find it quickly on Google, can you give me any more information about it ?
[10:27] <djm62> venzen: is demudi optimised for latency?
[10:27] <Jowi> is "sketch" broken?
[10:27] <topyli> djm62: yeah, they've got kernels tuned for that
[10:27] <Jowi> !info sketch
[10:27] <ubotu> sketch: (Interactive vector drawing program for X11), section universe/graphics, is optional. Version: 0.6.15-1ubuntu1 (hoary), Packaged size: 1355 kB, Installed size: 6352 kB
[10:28] <Will^Draven> how can i blank a cdrw?
[10:28] <topyli> djm62: it's also very insecure, you don't want to make a demudi server or something
[10:28] <theblue> Hi all.
[10:28] <j00bar> howdy.
[10:28] <djm62> I'm waiting for the day I can recommend Free to my brother for pro audio
[10:28] <theblue> When I boot my other computer, GRUB tries to load, but gives me Error 17, what does that mean?
[10:28] <Jowi> Will^Draven: easiest to do it with "graveman". my fav burner
[10:29] <j00bar> theblue: what does google say?
[10:29] <dcraven> GhostFreeman: fetchmail can get your gmail quite easily. I just set it up now.
[10:29] <theblue> j00bar: Good idea.
[10:29] <GhostFreeman> ok
[10:29] <topyli> Will^Draven: cdrecord -v -dev=YOUR-DEVICE -blank=fast
[10:29] <GhostFreeman> i'll assume its on repo
[10:29] <j00bar> anybody have experience with pbuilder?
[10:30] <Jowi> Will^Draven: ...or go the topyli way. anyhow, your cdrw should not be mounted.
[10:30] <shawarma> j00bar: Try in #ubuntu-motu
[10:30] <j00bar> grashus.
[10:30] <dcraven> GhostFreeman: fetchmail? I think it might be installed already, but given your question, it is probably not what you want.
[10:30] <topyli> Will^Draven: of course, you'll have to know the name of the device
[10:30] <Will^Draven> topyli: how do i determine my device, cdrecord -scanbus hates me, lol
[10:31] <Joxer> Can anyone help me to get "transparecy" to work with ubuntu ? ^_^
[10:31] <j00bar> Will^Draven: iirc, the cdrecord -scanbus is now obsolete...
[10:31] <topyli> Will^Draven: if you have a regular IDE cd drive, try cdrecord -scanbus -dev=ATAPI
[10:31] <apokryphos> Joxer: do you have an nvidia card?
[10:31] <Will^Draven> ok
[10:31] <Joxer> apokryphos, yes
[10:31] <funkyHat> ubotu, zc030x
[10:31] <ubotu> funkyHat: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
[10:31] <apokryphos> ok
[10:31] <Flying_Eagle> Joxer, why dont you help yourself?
[10:31] <funkyHat> :(
[10:31] <apokryphos> ubotu: tell Joxer about composite
[10:32] <Joxer> ty ^_^
[10:32] <apokryphos> np
[10:32] <selinium> Hi all, faux pas of the day! I installed wine via cvs as per wiki instructions. It isn't working properly. How do I uninstall it?
[10:32] <topyli> Will^Draven: i guess your device will be -dev=ATAPI:/dev/hdc or some such
[10:32] <selinium> hi apokryphos :)
[10:32] <Jowi> has anyone had luck with sketch?
[10:32] <apokryphos> hola 8)
[10:32] <j00bar> selinium: assuming you made is from source, try "make uninstall" in the source tree
[10:33] <selinium> j00bar: Cool I'll have a go! :)
[10:33] <Joxer> i think i found my problem XD im using warty
[10:34] <selinium> j00bar: The source tree? As in the same folder I make install'ed
[10:35] <djm62> j00bar: yeah
[10:35] <djm62> selinium: yeah
[10:35] <djm62> d'oh
[10:35] <Joxer> anybody want to tell me a little about how to get hoary ? :/
[10:35] <topyli> Will^Draven: sorry, you'll dev will be someting like ATAPI:0,0,0 or whatever scanbus tells you
[10:35] <topyli> Will^Draven: your, not you'll :)
[10:36] <j00bar> topyli: iirc, that's deprecated since 2.4
[10:36] <funkyHat> Joxer, edit the file /etc/apt/sources.list
[10:36] <topyli> j00bar: so you say :)
[10:36] <j00bar> topyli: there doesn't have to be scsi emulation of ide cd burners anymore.
[10:36] <Joxer> funkyHat, just change warty to hoary ?
[10:36] <funkyHat> replace every time it says warty to hoary
[10:36] <topyli> j00bar: there's no emulation, but cdrecord still wants to know if it's dealing with ATAPI devices
[10:36] <Joxer> ok, i've done that allready ^_^ thanks
[10:36] <funkyHat> and comment out/delete the line for your CD
[10:36] <eliUbuntu> harrytuttle: thanks for the help but that did not work. i am trying to do the following "cp file %/file" is that right? I also tried "cp file */file"
[10:37] <Will^Draven> scanbus dosent work, but i figured it out "sudo cdrecord -dev=ATAPI:/dev/hdd -blank=fast" worked
[10:37] <selinium> djm62, Cheers, only i deleted it! as per wiki instructions! lol
[10:37] <selinium> !wine
[10:37] <funkyHat> Joxer, then do sudo apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade
[10:37] <funkyHat> XD
[10:38] <topyli> Will^Draven: ok then. make an alias like "alias blank='sudo cdrecord -dev=ATAPI:/dev/hdd -blank=fast' in your bashrc :)
[10:38] <Joxer> funkyHat, done it ;)
[10:38] <harrytuttle> eliUbuntu: ummm why that didn't work? however cp can copy multiple files to a single dir, not the other way around at least i think
[10:39] <Joxer> urm, just a question, is XF86Config.4 the same as xorg.conf ?
[10:39] <topyli> Will^Draven: then you can always just give the "blank" command in the future :)
[10:39] <chiddy> Joxer, no
[10:39] <eliUbuntu> harrytuttle: i did it once before, but i forgot how i did it =(
[10:39] <eliUbuntu> it was about a year ago now
[10:39] <Joxer> thats strange, i dont seem to have xorg.conf :/
[10:39] <j00bar> Joxer: XF86Config.4 sounds like a manual page
[10:39] <Will^Draven> where do i put the alias?
[10:39] <harrytuttle> eliUbuntu: ok sorry, don't know
[10:39] <Joxer> so if i dont have a xorg.conf ill jsut make one ?
[10:39] <j00bar> Joxer: most linux distros used to package XFree86, but since a license change awhile back, they switched to X.org
[10:40] <j00bar> Joxer: XFree86's config file was XF86Config, while X.org's is xorg.conf
[10:40] <chiddy> Joxer, are you using Warty by any chance?
[10:40] <eliUbuntu> bot problem harrytuttle, thanks for the effort nonetheless =)
[10:40] <Joxer> chiddy, yes
[10:40] <topyli> Will^Draven: .bashrc in your home directory. note the dot, it's a hidden file
[10:40] <Jowi> Joxer: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg is the best way to create a new xorg.conf file
[10:40] <j00bar> Joxer: if you're using Warty, it uses XFree86, not X.org
[10:40] <Will^Draven> kk, thanks topyli
[10:40] <Joxer> :/
[10:40] <chiddy> Joxer, you might want to upgrade to hoary, that will give you all new stuff including xorg
[10:41] <Joxer> oh, cool
[10:41] <robzon> how do I enable overburning in nautilus-cd-burner?
[10:41] <selinium> djm62 j00bar , make uninstall running, cheers guys!
[10:41] <Joxer> this can be done with apt-get ? or is it hard ? Lol
[10:41] <chiddy> Joxer, yeah you can use apt-get its really easy
[10:41] <djm62> Joxer: use apt-get, and it's pretty automatic
[10:41] <Joxer> k
[10:41] <nlindblad> nite
[10:42] <j00bar> Joxer: is there something X.org has that you need?
[10:42] <robzon> eh ok, I've got it
[10:42] <topyli> Will^Draven: see my bashrc for alias examples, they are mighty handy: http://siltala.net/comp/dot-bashrc
[10:42] <Jowi> robzon: in gconf-editor - go to apps -> nautilus-cd-burner. there is an option there to turn it on
[10:42] <chiddy> Joxer, here are some directions if you want to upgrade: http://ubuntuguide.org/4.10/index.html#upgradewartytohoary  (it says that hoary is beta on there, but its a little old thats why)
[10:42] <topyli> Will^Draven: yours would be like "blankcd='cdrecord -whateveryouroptionsare'
[10:42] <Joxer> ok, thanks man :)
[10:43] <Joxer> brb /reading)
[10:43] <Will^Draven> if i already have gedit open how can i open a hidden file in a tab?
[10:43] <robzon> Jowi: yeah, I've found it, thx :) but I thought that there might be some more easy-accessible place to turn it on.
[10:43] <selinium> any idea on how to speed up ripping in sound juicer?
[10:43] <chiddy> Joxer, seriously though, these upgrades can go wrong though they haven't for me or anyone i know, good luck with it... i have to get going
[10:43] <topyli> Will^Draven: easier to open a terminal and command: gedit .bashrc
[10:43] <j00bar> Will^Draven: execute gedit with the --new-document argument, methinks.
[10:44] <sorush20> how do I open port 110
[10:44] <Jowi> sorush20: there is no firewall enabled as default.
[10:44] <topyli> Will^Draven: also, look at the first lines of my file. you need the "source global environment first" part
[10:45] <sorush20> Jowi: I have bestilli I don't know how to remove it..
[10:45] <Jowi> sorush20: if you haven't installed firestarter or some other firewall, it is not your computer that is blocking the traffic.
[10:45] <Jowi> sorush20: oh
[10:45] <topyli> Will^Draven: every line that begins with a # is a comment, and not code
[10:45] <Jowi> sorush20: i have never configured that one
[10:46] <selinium> sorush20, your not from southend, england are you, Your nick is a bit familiar! :)
[10:46] <Will^Draven> topyli: i understand comments and code, i started programming when i was 11, i just moved to linux however, lol
[10:46] <topyli> hehe
[10:46] <topyli> Will^Draven: ok, you're home
[10:46] <sorush20> selinium: No..
[10:47] <selinium> sorush20, np :)
[10:47] <sorush20> is anyone here using webmail extension on TB
[10:48] <sorush20> is there a mass extension installer for TB
[10:48] <Will^Draven> hmm, the blank=fast failed, i'll try again with a blank=all
[10:49] <sorush20> I keep getting these errors in the Terminal when I start Thunderbird
[10:49] <sorush20> TB
[10:49] <sorush20> (Gecko:18374): GdkPixbuf-CRITICAL **: gdk_pixbuf_get_rowstride: assertion `pixbuf != NULL' failed
[10:49] <topyli> Will^Draven: i just looked at my bashrc and see that my path is screwed. i have to fix it :)
[10:52] <k3p7> hello
[10:52] <basilon> hi
[10:52] <sorush20> come on guys work together
[10:52] <travioso> anyone get vlc with vc1 to work?
[10:52] <k3p7> i just installed ubuntu and installed the mysql-server and php4 and apache
[10:53] <k3p7> my question is, why doesn't php want to use mysql commands? (mysql_connect, mysql_query, ect)
[10:53] <k3p7> is there a module i need to get?
[10:53] <goo> k3p7: apt-get install php4-mysql
[10:53] <goo> k3p7: everything in Ubuntu's php4 system is modularized.
[10:54] <k3p7> all i got was that it couldn't find php4-mysql
[10:55] <k3p7> any ideas?
[10:55] <goo> k3p7: I bet you have some missing sources. And I don't want to help you with that. Sorry :)
[10:55] <k3p7> so, is there any place on the web i can get that?
[10:56] <ompaul> k3p7, wrong question
[10:56] <cevizoglu> !tell k3p7 about sources
[10:57] <Krille> ok so i screwed up my ubuntu install yesterday
[10:57] <Krille> its ubuntu PPC on an iMac DV
[10:57] <test34> I can't change my root password...
[10:58] <Krille> needless to say, its the wors piece of utter shite that ever left a hempsmoking computer designers drawing board, but if we forget that for a while i would like some coaching
[10:58] <apokryphos> ubotu: tell test34 about root
[10:58] <test34> in a root console, I type passwd, change the password, close the console, reopen root console and I have to enter the old password
[10:58] <fanskapet> hmm anyone here running breezy and got a mobility 9700 chipset?
[10:58] <selinium> k3p7, There is a walk through at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ApacheMySQLPHP?action=show&redirect=LAMPForHoary
[10:58] <Krille> the thing is, i had problems starting up gnome and by doing some sloppy web search, i thought i needed to reinstall gnome panel
[10:59] <Jowi> Zaacc: you can also try DSL (damn small linux) it is also a live-cd that doesn't have all the stuff but is great to use as a resque-cd.
[10:59] <Krille> i removed it, and was gonna install it, and realized i have no net connection
[10:59] <Krille> anyhow, i do have some PPC install cds here ... can i get the gnome panel back in there so that ubuntu doesnt complain every time i start up?  before i try to solve the net problems
[10:59] <adapt> fanskapet: i have before - on my powerbook
[11:00] <fanskapet> adapt, succeded in getting hardware ogl acceleration working?
[11:00] <test34> apokryphos, my root is enabled.. but I can't change my password
[11:00] <adapt> didnt try actually
[11:00] <apokryphos> test34: sudo passwd
[11:00] <test34> apokryphos, even though it says it did change it successfully
[11:00] <apokryphos> test34: there shouldn't be a reason to use it, though.
[11:00] <zyga> does the live cd support SMP systems?
[11:00] <harrytuttle> fanopanic: no way on a powerpc, no proprietary drivers available and no opensource drivers either
[11:01] <dupondje> hi guys, got a question, i have tft screen, and if i boot i can't see anything, what boot option should i use ?
[11:01] <test34> apokryphos, why would you need to use sudo passwd when I'm in a root console
[11:01] <k3p7> woooo!
[11:01] <k3p7> i found it, thanks for the help
[11:01] <pybe> test34: you shouldnt need to
[11:01] <apokryphos> test34: you didn't mention that
[11:01] <apokryphos> test34: plain passwd should do it
[11:01] <Jowi> dupondje: you can try turning off the framebuffer at boot. don't ask me how though, should be a boot option for it...
[11:02] <zblach> hi
[11:02] <harrytuttle> zyga: no
[11:02] <zblach> i forget. how to install a .tar.gz?
[11:02] <mattes> hallo!
[11:02] <mattes> spricht hier jemand deutsch?
[11:02] <zblach> !dk
[11:02] <ubotu> NO SPEAKE ENLISH!, zblach
[11:02] <selinium> !de
[11:02] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, de is #ubuntu-de bitte.
[11:02] <zblach> ah. thats it
[11:02] <zyga> harrytuttle: darn :/
[11:03] <zyga> any live cd that can test a low mem dual cpu i386 box?
[11:03] <zblach> anyone? .tar.gz
[11:03] <timmow> wahooo!! I just got muine working with inotify, aac and working album cover fetching.  I am pleased.
[11:03] <Jowi> zyga, you can try DSL, Bonzai, Slax.
[11:04] <test34> apokryphos, I use passwd in a root console, change the password, but then I can't use the new password it doesnt work, I have to use the old password
[11:04] <Krille> and feather
[11:04] <timmow> zblach: tar -xzvf file.tar.gz; ./configure; make; sudo checkinstall
[11:04] <pybe> zyga: damnsmalllinux or featherlinux might
[11:04] <timmow> assuming you have checkinstall installed
[11:04] <timmow> if not sudo apt-get install checkinstall
[11:05] <Jowi> Zaacc: i know how to turn coredumps off, but not on. On other linux systems except Ubuntu, core files are created automatically in the home-directory and are HUGE.
[11:05] <strife> I know that the Breezy Preview isn't supported, but I'm having trouble installing it.
[11:05] <strife> The installer gets to "Partition Disks" and won't allow me to continue
[11:05] <Krille> can someone give me an IP that leads to a web page ?
[11:05] <Krille> i want to see if my DNS is fishy
[11:05] <strife> is this a known problem, or is it just my disc image/pc?
[11:05] <Jowi> Krille: 216.239.59.99 (gooogle)
[11:06] <test34> apokryphos, nevermind, I know why.. sudo doesnt use root, it uses the admin user
[11:06] <Krille> thanks
[11:06] <Joxer> does ubuntu 5.10 use xorg ? ^_^
[11:06] <zyga> pybe: can they boot from a scsi cd? that's all I've got
[11:06] <holycow> Joxer, yes
[11:06] <apokryphos> test34: erm, of course... you said you were in a *root* console. Ubuntu uses sudo, of course.
[11:06] <Krille> no i cant reach that either .... how normal is it that you can chat on IRC but not surf ?
[11:06] <strife> My only option on the "Partition Disk" dialog is "??? ???"
[11:06] <Joxer> ok, ill just dl 5.10 then, my update failed
[11:06] <goo> I have a problem with setxkbmap - when trying to do setxkbmap no it only replies: Error loading new keyboard description  - Anyone has a clue? :)
[11:06] <strife> and hitting continue does nothing
[11:06] <Lethal-Rocks> Krille, It's very odd ;)
[11:07] <pybe> zyga: should be able to check their sites
[11:07] <Krille> Lethal-Rocks: yeah ...
[11:07] <Jowi> Krille: when did it stop working?
[11:07] <test34> apokryphos, yes I was in root console.. but after changing the password I was trying to open a new root console, but it didnt even ask for a password, so I tried sudo... I'm not used that sudo doesnt use the root account
[11:07] <zyga> pybe: true
[11:08] <Krille> ok appearently it was just google i had trouble with .. hmm
[11:08] <apokryphos> test34: yes. Check the link ubotu sent you.
[11:08] <pybe> Krille: could be a routing issue that you have no controll over try  212.58.224.89 (www.bbc.co.uk)
[11:08] <Krille> Jowi: seems i cant connect to google, thats it
[11:08] <djm62> Krille: are you in the UK?
[11:08] <test34> apok, ok
[11:08] <Jowi> Krille: lol
[11:08] <Krille> djm62: sweden
[11:08] <djm62> Krille: I've had a similar problem in the UK recently
[11:08] <djm62> just Google
[11:08] <Krille> ok
[11:09] <Krille> no big deal
[11:09] <djm62> I can even do google.ru
[11:09] <Krille> bigger problem is that the net is very dead on my ubuntu machine
[11:09] <cevizoglu> whoah, ubuntu's purple haze theme is excellent for black backgrounds
[11:09] <Jowi> Krille: you can't even ping local machines (if you're behind a router)?
[11:10] <djm62> or ping the router
[11:11] <cevizoglu> Krille: have you checked to see if you need proxy settings?
[11:11] <chillywilly> my X on breezy freezes whenever there's any DRI/3D action going on...also I cannot turn xscreensaver off without it locking things up either, anyone know of a fix?
[11:11] <Krille> Jowi: the google-thing and the ubuntu-thing are two different things really
[11:11] <chillywilly> I have an ATI Radeon
[11:11] <Jowi> Krille: yeah, i understood that :-)
[11:11] <Krille> the google thing was on my main computer ... laptop, XP .. and it was just google. i can talk to you guys
[11:11] <Krille> as for the ubuntu ...  phew. well let me take it from the beginning
[11:12] <Krille> i have this iMac, threw ubuntu onto it and it has been running nicely for a month or so, doing some seeeerious torrent piracy as a headless box more or less
[11:12] <topyli> cevizoglu: purple haze?
[11:12] <Krille> well, yesterday i think i accidently touched the power cord so it was shut off
[11:13] <Krille> rebooted it, and i had problems when gnome starts up. Googled that error message (too quickly), and saw that it could be "gnome panel" needing to be replaced.
[11:13] <Krille> someone else had done that and solved their problems. which might not have been exactly as mine. :-/
[11:13] <Jowi> Krille: well, run sudo network-admin. if your NIC can be seen there try to deactivate + activate. if your NIC is not there maybe you had an overload on the mobo....?
[11:13] <Krille> well, i apt-removed gnome panel, understanding that gnome would have serious problems starting up now
[11:14] <Krille> then i was gonna apt-install it again and realized i had no NIC conenction either  :-)
[11:14] <Hergiswi> Ubuntu decided to randomly stop reading my NIC connection
[11:14] <Krille> so i'm thinkging, should i start with this gnome-panel thing?  now that i have CDs, theres got to be some way to install locally ?
[11:15] <Jowi> Krille: just try sudo network-admin first. see what happens.
[11:15] <Krille> Jowi: ok hang on
[11:15] <topyli> Hergiswi: i suspect there are other problems. ubuntu doesn't randomly decide things, it's a computer program :)
[11:16] <Krille> ehm the problem is actually getting a decent console ... gnome wants me to log on, ctrl alt backspace often restarts that gnome-thang ... hehe
[11:16] <shrike__> Ever since I removed firestarter from this computer it is not responding to pings cant ssh into it etc what do I need to do to set everyting back to Ubuntu's defaults?  Firestarter entry still showing up in init.d after apt-get remove is that normal?
[11:16] <k3p7> hello... i installed the php4-mysql module, but how to i get it to actually restart?
[11:16] <Jowi> Krille: ctrl-alt-backspace always restart X.
[11:17] <Krille> ok .. i wanna shutdown X ... coz i wont be able to start up gnome correctly now. i'm at the login prmopt, graphical that is
[11:17] <zblach_> hi
[11:17] <zblach_> how to set default applications?
[11:18] <Jowi> Krille: ...so gnome hangs when you try to log in now?
[11:18] <k3p7> hello... i installed the php4-mysql module, but how to i get it to actually restart?
[11:18] <Jowi> anyone got SKETCH to work?
[11:18] <topyli> Krille: do ctrl-alt-f2 to get a prompt, then login and do 'sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop' and you have no X
[11:18] <Krille> jowi: i end up at an empty brown screen... :)
[11:19] <topyli> Krille: then fix gnome :)
[11:19] <zblach_> how to set default applications for file extensions?
[11:19] <Krille> topyli: thanks! wgats the "gdm" that i stop? the gnome daemon that makes it restart all the time ?
[11:19] <zblach_> i.e. .jpg
[11:19] <zblach_> Krille, Graphical Desktop Manager
[11:20] <sorush20> how do you remove something you installed form source
[11:20] <Krille> ok
[11:20] <k3p7> where is php.ini?
[11:20] <topyli> Krille: the Gnome Display Manager that gives you the login screen and offers you your X session
[11:20] <deFrysk> sorush20, with patience
[11:20] <Jowi> sorush20: make uninstall usually
[11:20] <Krille> nice facts about ubuntu on iMac: you cant tab-complete commands on the keyboard
[11:20] <k3p7> where is php.ini on ubuntu?
[11:20] <rob_p> shrike__:  If you removed it using apt, I'd have thought it would have removed the startup script and applicable sym links in the various run levels, etc.  However, if it didn't, you can manually remove them.
[11:20] <sorush20> deFrysk: patience is a command..
[11:20] <sorush20> make uninstall <application name>
[11:21] <holycow> k31th, do sudo updatedb then locate php.ini
[11:21] <sorush20> ?
[11:21] <Krille> ok i stopped gdm .. i am at a normal console login thing now
[11:21] <Jowi> sorush20: no, only: make uninstall, in the directory where you typed ./configure + make + make install
[11:21] <Krille> i will do the net-command
[11:22] <khermans> after I install linux-source from apt, shouldnt the tar.bz be extracted somewhere?
[11:22] <Jowi> Krille: network-admin only works graphically :-/
[11:22] <Krille> wtf ?
[11:22] <khermans> it seems that apt only puts it in /usr/src and now i cant build ndiswrapper
[11:22] <sorush20> Jowi: I have removed the directory that I used to install it form is there another way..
[11:22] <Krille> jowi: ok then thats not an alternative really
[11:22] <Jowi> sorush20: then you're screwed.
[11:23] <shrike__> rob_p, any idea what it would have done to prevent icmp echo etc. even when its not running?
[11:23] <topyli> Krille: what exactly was it that you want to do?
[11:23] <rob_p> shrike__:  No.  But it's easy to fix!
[11:23] <cevizoglu> topyli: yeah, purple haze: http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=26632
[11:23] <Krille> topyli: well i want to reinstall a gnome compononent i removed (gnome panel) but it seems the NIC gave up on me the same moment as i got the gnome problems ...
[11:23] <Jowi> Krille: if you want to remove ALL your gnome-settings and have nothing to loose you can do it like this: log in where you are (not graphically) and type rm -rf .gnome* (note the period before gnome)
[11:23] <Krille> so i cant apt-get it
[11:24] <cevizoglu> topyli: it's good for black backgrounds, like in terminal
[11:24] <Peps> can I leave a message to someone who is not online?
[11:24] <sorush20> Jowi: that seemes a little bad..
[11:24] <cevizoglu> topyli: at least, I like it
[11:24] <Krille> isnt there a way to apt-get instal gnome panel from the cd i have ?
[11:24] <Jowi> Krille: then do ALT-F7 and log in normally, that will re-create all gnome settings as if you logged in for the first time
[11:24] <topyli> Krille: so you cannot ping any hosts, like google.com?
[11:24] <cevizoglu> topyli: been looking for a theme like this for months
[11:25] <Jowi> topyli: he can't even log into gnome :-)
[11:25] <Krille> topyli: nah. and mind you, i had everything working allright and didnt touch any settings, i rarely root thigs box ... it just ran its own race and BAM
[11:25] <shrike__> rob_p, im guessing its not as simple as say 'net start server'...
[11:25] <topyli> Jowi: ping doesn't actually depend on gnome :)
[11:25] <P0S3R> hei all
[11:25] <cevizoglu> Krille: huh?  race exception?
[11:26] <topyli> Krille: hrm. let's debug :)
[11:26] <rob_p> shrike__:  Just use iptables to set the default policies back to ACCEPT and flush all the chains.
[11:26] <Krille> cevizoglu: huh ?`
[11:26] <Peps> is it possible to leave a message on IRC to someone who is not online????
[11:26] <topyli> cevizoglu: looks pretty cool. it's kinda dark though isn't it :)
[11:26] <topyli> cevizoglu: i'll download it and try it on sometime :)
[11:26] <malky> Krille : are you using a ppp connexion (modem) or LAN ?
[11:26] <Krille> peps: it is, or at least it was, yes . cant remember the syntax but you could perhaps try #irchelp on one of the bigger networks ?
[11:27] <Jowi> topyli: but network-admin does. and his gnome crash. and his network is down. and i thought that easiest way to see if his nic is recognised at all was to go through network-admin... hehe
[11:27] <Krille> malky: small network at home, a router, a switch. computers behind the switch can have static IPs or be DHCP'd. This ubuntu box had DHCP settings
[11:27] <topyli> cevizoglu: i've liked this one for a long time: http://siltala.net/comp/Hoary-desktop.jpg
[11:28] <rob_p> shrike__:  ...as in, "sudo iptables -F" and, "sudo iptables --policy INPUT ACCEPT" and, "sudo iptables --policy OUTPUT ACCEPT" and, "sudo iptables --policy FORWARD ACCEPT"
[11:28] <topyli> Jowi: we'll do it on the console now i guess :)
[11:28] <Jowi> Peps: it's called "leaving a memo". /msg nickserv help
[11:28] <topyli> Krille: what does ifconfig tell you?
[11:28] <malky> aye, ifconfig before :)
[11:28] <Krille> topyli: no normal IP at eth0
[11:29] <malky> type 'dhclient eth0'
[11:29] <topyli> no ip. rhm
[11:29] <malky> hmm
[11:29] <malky> sudo dhclient eth0
[11:29] <malky> would be better
[11:29] <topyli> yes
[11:29] <rob_p> shrike__:  That will set things back to defaults and nothing will be blocked any longer.
[11:29] <Krille> yeah it would :)   got some errors there
[11:29] <Krille> i'll just su from now on
[11:29] <shrike__> rob_p, well that was pretty painless =) always been afraid of messing with iptables
[11:30] <topyli> Krille: if you've enabled root, you might as well be root now
[11:30] <Peps> jowi: I still dont understant how to leave a message. can you tell me the exact syntax?
[11:30] <Krille> yeah i'm root ... and dhclient really struggles, i tells ya
[11:31] <Krille> there is a lot of output and i'm not sure i need to quote it all ..but basicly it iterates something and tries and tries and .... hmmm   now it gave up
[11:31] <malky> what sort of error messages ?
[11:31] <Krille> i think my mac cant see my NIC
[11:31] <Krille> uhm lets see
[11:31] <topyli> Krille: is this a breezy box? i have dhcp problems on my work breezy box, but not at home for some reason
[11:31] <Krille> sit0: unknown hardware adress type 776
[11:31] <Krille> for example
[11:32] <Krille> and then a few lines later
[11:32] <Krille> DHCPDISCOVER on eth0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval 5
[11:32] <Krille> DHCPDISCOVER on eth0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval 11
[11:32] <Krille> DHCPDISCOVER on eth0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval 10
[11:32] <Krille> etc
[11:32] <ompaul> Krille, do not paste
[11:32] <Krille> topylin breezy is the new one right ?
[11:32] <Krille> topyli
[11:32] <Logtime> hi
[11:32] <ompaul> Krille, do not paste here use paste.ubuntulinux.nl
[11:33] <rob_p> shrike__:  Don't forget to use update-rc.d to remove the symlinks from the runlevels otherwise when you reboot, you'll have to do it all over again :-)
[11:33] <pdk> I have a problem, I am unable to get any files, when I do an apt-get
[11:33] <topyli> Krille: yeah well, the future one actually :)
[11:33] <Logtime> anyone know how to use gftp with SSL?
[11:33] <Krille> ompaul: i cant paste ...  i can "quote" but thats it
[11:33] <Logtime> or some other ftp client?
[11:33] <pdk> Logtime: its really called SFTP
[11:33] <Krille> topyli: ok now its the one thats been out a couple of months ... hoary
[11:33] <ompaul> Krille, if you have web access you can use that pastebin
[11:34] <IceDragon> I'm looking for a free harddrive partitioner, and qtpart looks good... how does it compare to Partition Magic?
[11:34] <malky> Krille : francais ?
[11:34] <topyli> Krille: and there's always #flood
[11:34] <Logtime> pdk,  but i'.ve an error
[11:34] <Peps> jowi: I am not registered. I think you can't see my replies
[11:34] <Krille> ompaul: yeah well i'm not sure theres any point in typing it all ....   i mean, i cant copy and paste this and theres a bit of text to type. i think the machine doesnt see the NIC.
[11:34] <taku> see you later all =)
[11:34] <Krille> malky: non, suedois
[11:35] <othernoob> IceDragon: it's better than partition magic
[11:35] <Krille> malky: depuis naissance
[11:35] <ompaul> Krille, what kind of nic is in it?
[11:35] <IceDragon> I mean, as in ease to use
[11:35] <IceDragon> Is it dependable
[11:35] <cyberwarrior> hi
[11:35] <Krille> ompaul: well, its actually very very built in
[11:35] <Krille> its an iMac
[11:35] <cyberwarrior> i need help on ubuntu
[11:35] <topyli> ompaul: we're on a real console here. how exactly do ou copy and paste in there? it must be possible
[11:35] <BluR> I'm trying to get GRUB back into the mbr and none of the directions i can find are working.  my boot drive is /dev/sda and i have another /dev/hda drive.  how can I restore GRUB to the mbr?
[11:35] <BluR> in the ubuntu cd's rescue mode, i'm running grub-install /dev/sda but it gives me errors about not using an xfs file system
[11:35] <Krille> but i do have a USB NIC here that might come in handy, i dont know
[11:35] <Jowi> Peps: ah, you're right. anyway. type /memoserv help. that should be all you need to know. /memoserv help <command> also works. not a topic for the #ubuntu channel. and i don't think unregged can leave memos
[11:35] <rob_p> shrike__:  You can do a, "update-rc.d -f firestarter remove" to purge the symlinks.  Then you can manually remove the firestarter startup script from /etc/init.d.  But I still find it odd that apt didn't do all that for you when you removed firestarter.
[11:35] <malky> curious, this error seems to happen a lot with the LiveBox (france telecom dsl router)
[11:36] <othernoob> IceDragon: same difficulty level as parition magic
[11:36] <ompaul> topyli, hmm
[11:36] <cyberwarrior> hello???
[11:36] <topyli> surely it must be
[11:36] <topyli> :)
[11:36] <ompaul> topyli, don't know - will test
[11:36] <ompaul> topyli, I can think of ways
[11:36] <topyli> emacs!
[11:36] <IceDragon> heh, partition magic wasnt hard at all
[11:36] <cyberwarrior> ompaul: my ubuntu doesn't starts on my comp. what should i do?
[11:36] <topyli> ompaul: emacs has a shell, and you can copy/paste :)
[11:37] <othernoob> IceDragon: exactly
[11:37] <ompaul> topyli, this is true, what is the irc client in it again?
[11:37] <cyberwarrior> ????
[11:37] <topyli> ompaul: doesn't matter. just eshell, and run your favorite client
[11:37] <cyberwarrior> ompaul: ...
[11:37] <shrike__> rob_p, seemed to remove fine no errors or anything
[11:38] <rob_p> shrike__:  Oh, ok.  Then you're all set :-)
[11:38] <ompaul> topyli, I never got into emacs (yeah and the fsf and ifso  are on my case about it :))
[11:38] <pybe> cyberwarrior: do you get an error message? be more specific.
[11:38] <topyli> ompaul: anyway, i don't think we're helping Krille much. he's a newbie stuck in a console
[11:38] <k3p7> okay, i got php to include the mysql module
[11:39] <ompaul> topyli, I was under the impression that the macs did the I am a ubuntu box quite well
[11:39] <Krille> topyli: actually, i'm not a newbie ... and a console isnt anything that scares me. but i dont know where to go from here, when the machine doesnt seem to like the nic suddenly ... and when there is a similar problem with a live CD ....
[11:39] <cyberwarrior> pybe: ubuntu boots, it installs stuff then i get an error on line 18.. some debian thing error.. then everything goes ok and then *ror fails (dunno what it is).. and then a black screen comes and that's it
[11:39] <k3p7> now, after i create the database in mysqladmin
[11:39] <k3p7> i can't seem to login
[11:39] <ompaul> Krille, hoary / breezy ?
[11:39] <k3p7> what username would i use?
[11:39] <topyli> Krille: so, if you ifdown and ifup eth0, all you get is dhcp errors?
[11:39] <pybe> cyberwarrior: you get errors during install?
[11:40] <cyberwarrior> i am running a liveCD
[11:40] <ompaul> cyberwarrior, first put together a question for the channel, second in that give specific facts hang on and I will get the bot to help you
[11:40] <ompaul> !tell cyberwarrior about ask
[11:40] <IceDragon> I was looking through google, and I was wondering.... wth do I download qtpart from?!
[11:40] <cevizoglu> Krille: which version of iMac?
[11:40] <k3p7> anyone know?
[11:41] <k3p7> please, i need this asap
[11:41] <Jowi> IceDragon: sudo apt-get install qtparted
[11:41] <ompaul> Krille, emm possible silly question it is the wired nic or the wireless you are trying to use ?
[11:41] <pybe> cyberwarrior: 1st check the media, if thats ok then write down the error and google it.
[11:41] <IceDragon> I'm getting it for someone else
[11:41] <cevizoglu> k3p7: the same username you use when you installed mysql
[11:41] <cyberwarrior> ok
[11:41] <k3p7> uhmmm
[11:41] <topyli> k3p7: try root, with no password
[11:41] <k3p7> ok
[11:41] <IceDragon> Might I find a way to get it to him
[11:42] <Krille> heres a funny anecdote from real life, kids ...    i installed this machine togehter with an identical iMac over at a friends house. i left the (burnt) ubuntu CD there.
[11:42] <k3p7> thank you!
[11:42] <Krille> Well,now when i started having these problems i was kinda lazy and though "aarghh, shoot... now i am gonna have to walk over to his place (one kilometer) and get the CD.... and i wish there were any live CDs for mac"
[11:42] <k3p7> that's unsafe :S
[11:42] <topyli> k3p7: now, set a password for root :)
[11:42] <malky> Krille : do you have a line like this in dhclient output ? : 'execve (/sbin/dhclient-script, ...): No such file or directory'
[11:42] <Krille> Well, turns out i am gonna go to an expo at a neighbour city today, an expo about a lot of technical companies in this region. This was in a totally different matter ofcourse. Whats one of the first things i see, if not a coupple of guys demonstrating ubuntu! And handing out the very PPC install CD i need, plus live CDs...! hehe
[11:43] <pybe> Krille: have you tried to give it a manual ip to prove it works
[11:43] <k3p7> can you tell me how to do that?
[11:43] <k3p7> oh wait
[11:43] <k3p7> nvm
[11:43] <IceDragon> Does Damn Small Linux come with it?
[11:43] <Krille> malky: nope it doesnt complain about that script
[11:43] <topyli> k3p7: oh i don't remember, i always use all those graphical or web-based thingies for myslql
[11:43] <Krille> ompaul: its the built in wired nic
[11:43] <Krille> pybe: no not yet
[11:44] <sorush20> I've typed sudo hdparm /dev/hdc, and added the line mentioned onthe ubuntu wiki about dma but I still don't get the message that says that dma is enabled what the hell is going on..
[11:44] <astronut> !java
[11:44] <ubotu> it has been said that java is to install Java please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java
[11:44] <BluR> argh, no ideas on helping me restore GRUB to MBR?
[11:44] <ompaul> Krille, I'm very surprised at that
[11:44] <Krille> cevizoglu: its the grey/greenish iMac DV (G3)
[11:44] <Krille> ompaul: i believe its hoary.
[11:44] <Quinthius> sorush20: doesn't "sudo hdparm /dev/hdc" list "using_dma" ?
[11:45] <sorush20> Quinthius: it does and it is off
[11:45] <Logtime> FTPS Support unavailable since SSL support was not compiled in. Aborting connection.
[11:45] <Quinthius> sorush20: so do: sudo hdparm -d1 /dev/hdc
[11:45] <Quinthius> sorush20: that 1 is a one, not an L
[11:45] <Jowi> Krille: since the live-cd's produce the same faults I would consider the posibility that the mobo is faulty after you kicked the powercord... just a pessimistic though :-/
[11:45] <malky> Krille: then try 'sudo iptables -F' and 'sudo dhclient eth0' (without sudo if root of course)
[11:45] <sorush20> Quinthius: I want it to be set as default on the configfile..
[11:46] <Krille> topyli : uhm well actually ifdown eth0 gives an error too, yes.  5-6 lines ... first ones are "sit0: unknown hardware adress type 776"
[11:46] <gabaug> where does apxs for apache2 get installed on Ubuntu?
[11:46] <pybe> Krille: i suppose you checked the cable?
[11:46] <Krille> pybe: IP cable?
[11:46] <Krille> uh, i mean "internet" cable
[11:46] <shrike__> BluR, are you able boot ubuntu at all right now?
[11:46] <Quinthius> sorush20: have you changed /etc/hdparm.conf?
[11:47] <pybe> Krille: ethernet (cat5) cable
[11:47] <khermans> Anyone have ndiswrapper working in Breezy Badger?
[11:47] <Jowi> getting tired... night all.
[11:47] <Krille> pybe: yeah well the LED lights up at the switch when i install it.
[11:48] <pybe> Krille: still might be dodgey
[11:48] <sorush20> Quinthius: I'll post on the paste bin.. could you take a look please..
[11:48] <Quinthius> sorush20: put this at the end of /etc/hdparm.conf (if you havent already): http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2223
[11:48] <malky> that's not a proof of functionality
[11:48] <Jowi> Krille: ah, before I leave just a thing you can test: set a static IP
[11:48] <ompaul> Krille, if it is not the cable, if your happy with the console I do have one suggestion that might help - but I am far from sure with this (being an x86 user) , YMMV etc - however as the machine boots, it offers the chance to install a server version - if this is acceptable to you then may I suggest you give it a shot, when it is finished you do >> sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop << and start from there
[11:48] <Logtime> FTPS Support unavailable since SSL support was not compiled in. Aborting connection.
[11:48] <Krille> Jowi: its not unrealistic actually. I dont know how the electrical system behaves for you yanks, but here you can sometimes have 220v connections (the one without any power supply, just that cable) that sort of ... hmm makes a "crackling" noise when you insert it and its not totally "straight" or "in" ....
[11:49] <ompaul> Krille, that sound - unsafe -
[11:49] <Krille> .... and its like .. well, it can produce very small sparks in the entrance of the equipment. this was the case with this mac i think. its possible that that behaviour can burn the NIC or something
[11:49] <topyli> Krille: tell me about it :\
[11:49] <Krille> hard to explain this in text and in english ...!
[11:49] <sorush20> Quinthius: here is what I have in the file http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2224
[11:50] <Krille> but if there are any swedes here, det knastrar satan nr man stter in vissa kontakter ibland ....
[11:50] <malky> sparks when you plug the power cord in are quite usual
[11:50] <pybe> Krille: heres an interesting one http://www.linuxelectrons.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=435
[11:50] <evandro> oie
[11:50] <evandro> alguma garota ae?
[11:50] <ompaul> it saved me a computer 15 years ago when they cost a lot of money :)
[11:50] <Jowi> Krille: a yank like me lives in France, but i am Swedish! haha. my powersupply crackles a bit as well when i put it in. no worries about that. anyway. I would try to set a static IP on the NiC before giving up on it :-) g'night all!
[11:50] <topyli> Krille: din locale r frn den arsehole
[11:50] <Quinthius> sorush20: put commends back on the /dev/cdroms ones
[11:50] <kicolobo> Hi, how can I configure the refresh rate of my monitor?
[11:50] <Quinthius> sorush20: comments
[11:51] <fanskapet> agh.. damn fglrx
[11:51] <kicolobo> The refresh rate that I want is not listed.
[11:51] <ompaul> I had got it after a couple of brownouts
[11:51] <Quinthius> fanopanic: what's the problem?
[11:51] <topyli> Krille: freenode is happily utf-8 AFAIK :)
[11:51] <malky> Krille: so you know the ip of your router ?
[11:51] <fanskapet> so there\s noone running breezy with a mobility 9700 radeon chip_
[11:51] <fanskapet> ?
[11:51] <evandro> join foz
[11:51] <kicolobo> I had just installed the ubuntu 5.12
[11:52] <Fraeon> 5.12?
[11:52] <malky> wow
[11:52] <ompaul> kicolobo, 5.10 ?
[11:52] <kicolobo> yeap
[11:52] <sorush20> Quinthius: did you see the hda, what is the wirte cache off
[11:52] <thrush> kicolobo: you have your monitors manual handy?
[11:52] <kicolobo> but my refresh rate is not listed
[11:52] <kicolobo> yes
[11:52] <Quinthius> sorush20: if you dont know what it is you shouldnt have it uncommented :)
[11:52] <topyli> kicolobo: you can set it manually
[11:52] <kicolobo> how?
[11:52] <malky> fanskaet: no but i'm running gentoo on my laptop (mobility 9700 too=)
[11:52] <Quinthius> sorush20: put comments (# makrs) back in front of the first 3 sections... /dev/cdroms/cdrom0, cdrom1, and hda
[11:53] <pp_> Hi . I have installed pkgs php4-mysql apache2 mysqlserver and php4. I can't connet to mysql from php. The phpinfo(); command show not mysql. this command show the --whitout-mysql option for the apache compilation. Must I recompile apache with 'with-mysql' option? Exist another pkg? I have pkg apache2.0.53-5ubuntu5.3
[11:53] <Quinthius> sorush20: you dont have to specify a line for turning dma on for hard drives, it should be on for them by default
[11:53] <Logtime> FTPS Support unavailable since SSL support was not compiled in. Aborting connection.
[11:53] <topyli> kicolobo: do "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" and answer the relevant questions as they come. otherwise, keep hitting Enter
[11:53] <malky> and i've got no problems since beginning, what's yours ?
[11:53] <Quinthius> sorush20: there is also an error in your file
[11:53] <angryfix> When creating a new user in Ubuntu, how do you limit that user to a specific directory?
[11:53] <angryfix> If they use ssh for example.
[11:53] <sorush20> Quinthius: okay
[11:53] <Quinthius> sorush20: under #command_line ... you didnt comment out the closing bracket }
[11:54] <topyli> kicolobo: use sudo when running that command of course
[11:54] <Quinthius> sorush20: all you should really have is the /dev/hdc and /dev/hdd sections... everything else there can be commented out
[11:54] <Krille> pybe: that was indeed an interesting link ... will look into it tomorrow. will sleep now i think
[11:55] <pybe> Krille: good luck
[11:55] <Logtime> anyone know a client FTP with SSL?
[11:55] <Logtime> tnx
[11:55] <crimsun> lftp
[11:55] <mkyb14> to anyone that knows.  is there a program like 'geek-tool' on osx, for linux that displays the apache.log as tranparent on the desktop??????
[11:55] <Logtime> gui?
[11:55] <topyli> Krille: happy hacking!
[11:55] <Krille> topyli: that sounded like a "learned" phrase :)))
[11:55] <crimsun> Logtime: cli
[11:55] <malky> aye, good luck viking guy =)
[11:55] <Krille> and not coming from a native swedish speaker ?
[11:55] <Logtime> crimsun,  i want a gui
[11:55] <topyli> Krille: i guess :)
[11:56] <Krille> malky: yeah i know the IP of the router
[11:56] <crimsun> Logtime: did you use gftp?
[11:56] <malky> 192.168.0.1 ?
[11:56] <Logtime> but i got an error im newbie
[11:56] <Quinthius> mkyb14: i dont know what geek-tool is, but it sounds like you want to watch a logfile in realtime on the desktop?
[11:56] <Logtime> crimsun, FTPS Support unavailable since SSL support was not compiled in. Aborting connection.
[11:56] <mkyb14> yes, but transparent
[11:56] <Krille> malky: uhm.. yeah that should be it .. or 192.168.1.1   ... can never remember  :)
[11:57] <Quinthius> mkyb14: check out root-tail
[11:57] <angryfix> How can you lock a newly created user in their home directory (A default user) so they can only view that directory?
[11:57] <mkyb14> ok
[11:57] <Quinthius> mkyb14: i'm not sure if it will display properly with nautilus handling the desktop... but worth a try
[11:57] <mkyb14> ok
[11:57] <pybe> mkyb14: you can get an terminal like aterm/eterm and set options so it has no boarders & is trans etc
[11:58] <malky> Krille : then you can try 'ifconfig eth0 192.168.1.199 netmask 255.255.255.0 up'
[11:58] <Peps> I would like to have my laptop get it's IP address from a server running dhcp. Both laptop and server run hoary
[11:58] <topyli> angryfix: what's the harm of read-only access? i can think of some use cases though
[11:58] <malky> and try to ping the router
[11:58] <Peps> I have something called udhcpd, but it is not working???
[11:59] <angryfix> I just don't want the extra users reading certain files for privacy's sake.
[11:59] <Logtime> crimsun,  have u seen?
[11:59] <crimsun> Logtime: I use cli ftp clients.
[11:59] <malky> angryfix : it's do-able but not very easy
[11:59] <angryfix> i have a friend working on a project with me, but i dno't want him to see my other projects i have going in other folders
[11:59] <topyli> angryfix: there must be a way, this is unix after all. but damn if i know :(