[01:39] <pitux> hello
[01:39] <pitux> any person speak spanish???
[01:39] <pitux> mi english is very bad, sorry
[01:43] <pitux> there are thought a mail list of edubuntu in spanish????
[02:39] <mpt> d'oh
[02:41] <ogra> mpt, ?
[02:49] <mpt> oh, just that I didn't see pitux in time, that's all
[03:55] <mpt_> ogra: Let me know when would be a good time to do the tweaks to the gnome-screensaver unlock dialog (sometime between 10 and 14 hours from now, or between 19 and 22 hours from now, would be ideal)
[03:55] <mpt_> otherwise I could just put a mockup on the wiki
[03:57] <ogra> or mail it :)
[04:05] <mpt_> ok :-)
[04:10] <ogra> i must admit that i havent even looked into the code yet, we dropped gnome-screensaver more than a month ago
[04:10] <ogra> (around UVF)
[07:44] <highvoltage> ogra: i did the rsync, but my md5sum doesn't match the one on the website, is it because my file is called "breezy", and the new one is called edubuntu?
[07:45] <shaga> good morning all
[07:45] <highvoltage> morning shaga 
[07:48] <shaga> are there still any good enough flash/java-plugins for amd64 platforum? can you tell straight out?
[07:49] <highvoltage> i don't know.
[07:54] <shaga> okay, I'll find out about it myself once I'm through here in work
[08:02] <highvoltage> okay, it's probably supposed to match these md5sums, but it doesn't either: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/cdimage/edubuntu/daily/current/MD5SUMS
[08:16] <Burgundavia> shaga, for amd64, there is no Macromedia flash plugin. There are 2 free versions, GPLflash and swfdec (LGPL). Neither work well enough to be replacements for flash
[08:16] <Burgundavia> shaga, as for java, the free java stuff has not produced a web plugin due to not yet having done the security stuff
[08:17] <shaga> okay, thanks very much.. so I'll stick with the x86-version for now still..
[08:20] <shaga> this is not about linux at all(still I'm trying to do this in linux, but it's not the point), but you might know about this. is it possible to go 'back' with firefox without refreshing the page? opera can do that but I just don't support it. ff is quite evil as it does the refresh and jumps on the top of the list you were browsing for example..
[08:21] <shaga> I'm trying to google about as I speak
[08:21] <Burgundavia> shaga, currently not implemented
[08:21] <Burgundavia> FF 1.5 will do that
[08:21] <shaga> as I thought
[08:50] <highvoltage> ogra: yay, my md5 sums match
[09:45] <shaga> could you briefly tell me whats LTSP? should I use "workstation" on a CD boot prompt for my own computer which I use just for fun and have a direct connection to web through dhcp..
[09:50] <Burgundavia> shaga, ltsp allows thin clients to connect to a central server. The thin clients don't do any of the heavy lifting
[09:51] <shaga> oh, that means I should use "workstation" on a prompt for my use
[10:17] <magnon> morning
[10:18] <shaga> good morning
[11:36] <highvoltage> ogra: i got a debconf screen telling me about how the ip address have been set in a preseed file, and that i need to file a bug if i see this dialog. is this a bug?
[01:31] <spacey> JaneW, just booked my flight to canada :>
[01:36] <ogra> spacey, yay !
[01:36] <spacey> :)
[01:44] <ogra> hey jinty  :)
[01:44] <jinty> should we move over here?
[01:44] <ogra> yup
[01:45] <ogra> currently i have some other (packaging) bugs to solve with moodle first...
[01:45] <jinty> as far as one of the moodle developers told me, moodle can authenticate off a web pace
[01:45] <ogra> ah...
[01:45] <jinty> s/pace/page
[01:46] <ogra> the problem is, that i want to leave it up to the user to make the moodle configuration, i only create a blank database and moodle has a 3 step webinterface to create the structure in there
[01:46] <jinty> basically post a form and grep the return HTML (ugh!)
[01:46] <jinty> ok no worries, just passing info along which might be usefull
[01:46] <ogra> i'll investigate if i can set defaults for that interface that point to the schooltool auth
[01:47] <ogra> jinty, i'll come back to you about that, be sure :)
[01:47] <ogra> just let me fix the essential bugs first :)
[01:47] <jinty> he;) I understand
[01:48] <ogra> sabdfl decided yesterday that we want to go with gnome-screensaver, so now i have to fix that one first ... wasnt planned :)
[01:48] <ogra> heh
[01:49] <jinty> how much time to release
[01:49] <ogra> oct 13th
[01:49] <ogra> 4 weeks
[01:49] <jinty> ouch
[01:50] <jinty> good luck then
[01:50] <ogra> its in good condition already, i just have to split out all the screensavers from xscreensaver to make them available for gnome-screensaver
[01:51] <ogra> will you be at UBZ ?
[01:51] <jinty> depends if I am sponsored or not
[01:51] <jinty> though I havn't asked
[01:52] <jinty> but it could be really usefull for me.
[01:52] <ogra> yes, as well as for me...
[01:52] <ogra> since i build a distro around your baby :)
[01:52] <JaneW> spacey: cool
[01:52] <spacey> :)
[01:55] <jinty> ogra: hope you don't do too much building on, as the recent changes in the schooltool unstable branch are, er, extreeme
[01:56] <ogra> jinty, currently we just want to show it to the world... since we target only one classroom for now, its perfect as a scheduling tool :)
[01:57] <spacey> bbl!
[02:16] <jinty> ogra: I am busy building new schooltool packages. Don't you want to send the patch?
[02:18] <ogra> jinty, is during the day enough ? 
[02:19] <jinty> perhaps, doko really wants these new packages
[02:21] <ogra> ok, give me 1h
[02:48] <ogra> jinty, mail sent :)
[02:49] <jinty> thanks!, I'll get it in.
[02:57] <JaneW> er how the hell does flint have post right to Ubuntu Announce and I don't?...
[02:58] <ogra> JaneW, nobody has
[02:58] <ogra> JaneW, all posts to announce are moderated
[02:58] <JaneW> but howcome flints message went through and mine didn't :(
[02:59] <ogra> poke jdub :)
[03:03] <JaneW> ogra: omg... read this...
[03:03] <JaneW> At an Edubuntu Summit in July in Australia, educators from every continent came together. Reports from the summit indicate that Edubuntu will soon be found in hundreds of schools across Europe from Sweden to Spain -- in the state of Andalusia the government has chosen Ubuntu Linux for its schools, libraries and all public facilities. In Brazil, Elkner says, more than a million pupils will be using Edubuntu.
[03:04] <ogra> phew
[03:04] <ogra> but any press is good press ;)
[03:05] <JaneW> flint and elkner are like 'pinky and the brain'
[03:05] <ogra> even if its a bit strange what he tells 
[03:05] <JaneW> 'What are we going to do tongiht Brain?'
[03:05] <JaneW> 'Same thing we do everynight Pinky....
[03:05] <JaneW> Try to take over the WORLD!'
[03:05] <ogra> hehe
[03:16] <jinty> :)
[03:28] <doko> do I have to know pinky?
[03:29] <doko> hmm, s/pinky/flint/
[03:29] <ogra> doko, nope
[03:29] <ogra> but i'm pretty sure you'll meet him at UBZ
[03:58] <JaneW> ogra: oh yes!
[03:58] <JaneW> doko: he's hard to miss ;)
[03:58] <ogra> hehe
[03:59] <ogra> yes, he takes over every room he is in
[03:59] <ogra> and not only because he's big
[04:05] <highvoltage> JaneW: hi there
[04:05] <JaneW> hello highvoltage 
[04:07] <highvoltage> JaneW: get my private messages?
[04:25] <bip> hello ...
[04:26] <bip> is anybody involved with ltsp deployement here ?
[04:32] <jinty> doko: ping (deb-src ftp://69.60.114.114/pub/schooltool/archives/debian sid main)
[04:32] <jinty> for a new schoolbell package
[04:34] <jinty> could you sponsor it to sid? (needs dpkg-buildpackage options -sa -v1.2.0-2)
[04:45] <doko> jinty: thanks
[04:46] <jinty> schooltool is still coming
[04:49] <doko> jinty: the source still contains the Zope3 source?
[04:49] <jinty> yes, the tarball contains it, but it is not used at all by the packages
[04:50] <jinty> removing it from the tarball was too much of a step for upstream
[04:51] <doko> ok
[04:51] <jinty> see the dirty hack in rules
[04:55] <shaga> oh, seems that it's already time for a beer
[05:04] <JaneW> yep, that's what I am about to do... bye
[05:04] <JaneW> *wave*
[05:09] <shaga> *waves back*
[05:31] <mpt> ogra: Is uninstalling xscreensaver the easiest way of using gnome-screensaver?
[05:32] <ogra> mpt, sorry, the package has an error... just testbuilding the fixed version
[05:32] <ogra> but you should uninstall xscreensaver anyway... and install gnome-screensaver and xscreensaver-data
[05:34] <mpt> ok, ta
[05:43] <mpt> ... and then what? :-)
[05:44] <ogra> then logout and in again to make sure gnome-screensaver is in your session
[05:44] <ogra> now all should work..
[05:45] <mpt> wahaa
[05:45] <ogra> ?
[05:47] <mpt> The "New updates available" balloon appears on top of the screensaver
[05:47] <ogra> yup
[05:47] <mpt> Is that reported?
[05:47] <ogra> i think thats an X error
[05:48] <ogra> yup, there is a bug anywhere for xscreensaver, since it also happens in gnome-screensaver id think its rather X 
[05:48] <mpt> a bug somewhere?
[05:48] <ogra> i have to look it up
[05:49] <mpt> sorry, I just wasn't sure whether you meant "there is a bug filed somewhere" or "there isn't a bug filed anywhere"
[05:49] <mpt> English sucks
[05:50] <mpt> if you know it's already reported, then never mind, I won't report it :-)
[05:50] <jsgotangco> JaneW_we: we?
[05:51] <ogra> jsgotangco, she's out...
[05:51] <gand> hello
[05:51] <ogra> mpt, hmm, i cant find the bug...
[05:51] <jsgotangco> ogra: dude, people over here are hyped over edubuntu
[05:51] <jsgotangco> my last presentation was jam packed
[05:52] <ogra> mpt, http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=14944
[05:52] <mpt> thanks ogra
[05:52] <jsgotangco> ogra: i actually won an RHCE training and exam voucher
[05:53] <ogra> WOW
[05:53] <jsgotangco> yeah i was like WTF
[05:54] <jsgotangco> i have till december to use it =)
[05:54] <ogra> cool
[05:55] <jsgotangco> ogra: people love our theme
[05:55] <gand> I've read edubuntu program list with  "Istanbul" (screen session recorder) listed. May I suggest instead "xvidcap" that have also audio recording?
[05:55] <ogra> gand, we have neither in this release and istanbul will have audion in our next one :)
[05:57] <gand> I mean that xvidcap record video and audio in the same time, so you can create a screen tutorial with audio in it
[05:58] <ogra> gand, you will be able to do that with istanbul too, but without using the commandline
[06:00] <gand> Will istanbul have a GUI and audio recording too? (gvidcap has a GUI too) Sorry I'm not update on istanbul.
[06:02] <gand> By the moment Istambul has no audio, will it have audio on next release? I'm looking desperately a screen recorder tool
[06:02] <ogra> istanbul just adds a red button to your notification area, you click it once, it becomes a play button and records your session, you click a second time and the movie appears on your desktop. the author is working on audion recording, it will be ready for dapper (our next release) i think
[06:03] <ogra> gand, gvidcap and xvidcap are in universe you can always install them
[06:03] <gand> nice thank, http://www.freesmug.org/idojo/
[06:03] <gand> yes but I'm on PPC 
[06:04] <gand> I've compiled last release of xvidcap from source yesterday, but there are still some problems
[06:05] <gand> I've used "wink" for some screentutorial, but wink is not freesoftware :(
[06:06] <jinty> doko: I have to patch and re-build schoolbell to fix a problem running the schooltool build time tests. Probably by monday.
[06:08] <jinty> still have to do my food money work...
[06:11] <doko> jinty: is there anything I can do?
[06:14] <jinty> the issue is that the schoolbell setup.py does not install the tests/ftests sub-modules by default
[06:15] <jinty> no, I dont think there is much you can do
[06:15] <doko> ok, so installing them by hand should work?
[06:16] <jinty> personally I would just patch setup.py
[06:18] <jinty> actually, I'll give it a try today
[06:18] <jinty> by hand?
[06:21] <doko> just use cp in the rules file
[06:22] <jinty> already made the patch:)
[06:23] <jinty> now to put it upstream
[06:25] <gand> I've dowloaded instanbul source, how can I compile it on PPC, readme is empty!
[06:27] <ogra> err, its in univers, you only need to install it
[06:27] <ogra> universe even
[06:28] <gand> not in PCC universe :(
[06:30] <ogra> oh,m i was assiming you run edubuntu breezy, in hoary it isnt there...
[06:31] <jsgotangco> istanbul is awesome
[06:31] <ogra> yup
[06:32] <gand> is instambul in edubuntu breezy PPC?
[06:32] <ogra> sure
[06:36] <gand> Only install, no live, I've to clear my hoary :)
[06:36] <ogra> just change your sources.list 
[06:37] <ogra> after the upgrade install edubuntu-desktop and you got a edubuntu workstation install
[06:39] <gand> sorry, how can I change my sourc.list?
[06:43] <gand>  I just have to add APT line to the repository?
[06:43] <ogra> just change all occurences of hoary to breezy
[06:43] <ogra> then run apt-get update 
[06:44] <ogra> then apt-get dist-upgrade
[06:46] <gand> thank, I'm using synaptic package manager, no breezy occurences listed, how can I change currences from hoary to breezy
[06:48] <ogra> you can change the repositorys in the settings menu of synaptic...
[06:49] <gand> Yes I know, I can add a custom repos.; which APT line I've to add?
[06:50] <gand> or also editing file: etc/apt/sources.list
[06:50] <ogra> you dont add anything, edit the ones that are there
[06:50] <ogra> either one
[06:50] <ogra> its the same, synaptic is just the gui fo it...
[06:54] <gand> Sorry but I've only 5.04 repos. listed, no 5.10 listed in the "add" window.
[06:54] <ogra> edit the 5.04 repos
[06:57] <gand> I've to substitute "hoary" word with "breezy" ?
[06:58] <ogra> yes :)
[06:58] <ogra> that makes it a 5.10 repo
[06:59] <gand> thank :)
[07:36] <jinty> doko: ping
[07:37] <doko> pong
[07:38] <jinty> in the reproitory i mentioned earlier there are new schooltool and schoolbell packages
[07:38] <jinty> probably schoolbell needs the same dpkg opts, buit I'm not sure
[07:39] <jinty> I guess I leave it to you from here. But could you ping me as soon as they hit ubuntu?
[07:40] <doko> will do, thanks a lot!
[07:40] <jinty> there is an out of tree schooltool dependency (cando) I need to update then
[07:41] <jinty> ah yes, schooltool -> sid would be nice;)
[07:43] <doko> ? cando ?
[07:44] <jinty> yeah, a grade tracking system built on schooltool;)
[07:45] <jinty> still have to file an ITP
[07:46] <doko> dpkg-genchanges: warning: missing Section for source files
[07:47] <doko> schooltool
[07:47] <doko> just added that to the control file
[07:49] <jinty> which section?
[08:44] <gand> thanks bye, have to reboot.