foodcomanThis whole patent thing is going to be a real pain the way its going.  Just like the Case that was lost by the guys who reverse engineered Blizzard E's Battle net.  They lost because of the Elua.12:03
othernoobfoodcoman: Zeta is a BeOS derivative.. well, yellowtab bough BeOS and produced Zeta. costs around 100 euro. 12:03
foodcomanSad really. Corporate greed.12:03
foodcomanActually I hae never looked at it, but BeOS always sounded cool to me.12:03
foodcomanI was an Amiga consumer back in the day.  Amiga 1000!12:03
othernoobfoodcoman: it is..microkernel instead of monolithic kernel.12:04
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othernoobanyway, would you like windows any better if it was for free?12:04
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othernoobis that all that matters about software? whether it costs something or not? does that define its worth?12:05
foodcomanYes, provided it was an open source which could draw off the power of community support.12:05
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amuwindows on a ppc ? :D 12:06
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foodcomanThe whole thing is really an Intellectual Property(Patent) issue in my mind.12:07
othernoobamu: why not?12:07
foodcomanothernoob: Am I part of a survey, or are you advocating Windows to my in a Kubuntu forum?12:07
othernoobfoodcoman: you're part of the inquisition ;)12:08
foodcomanI was already hit with Mandriva earlier.  I must have something written on my forehead!12:08
othernoobyou may feel honored :p12:08
amuothernoob: hell, go away :) i like osx, nice unix based os, everythings works out of the box, thats cool      12:08
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foodcomanI love questions like this.  If you cant back your faith, then do you believe it yourself????12:09
othernoobdid you ask me?12:11
foodcomanJust a general statement to provoke thought.12:11
lonewolffamu: what mac to you run osx on?12:11
othernoobfoodcoman: you may ask any christian that and they'll say yes :p12:12
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foodcomanIt was a religious example but it has an OS preference spin intent.12:13
amulonewolff: i've all kind of *.books 12:13
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chromatehow do i install visualizers for amarok? the version installed with ubunt doesn't have any12:14
amulonewolff: which one? i think my next desktop will be also an iMac ;)  12:14
lonewolffiMac dv+12:14
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foodcomannikkia: 12:15
foodcoman1.  Confident belief in the truth, value, or trustworthiness of a person, idea, or thing.12:15
foodcoman2.  Belief that does not rest on logical proof or material evidence. See Synonyms at belief, trust.12:15
foodcoman3.  Loyalty to a person or thing; allegiance: keeping faith with one's supporters.12:15
foodcoman4.  often Faith Christianity The theological virtue defined as secure belief in God and a trusting acceptance of God's will.12:15
foodcoman5.  The body of dogma of a religion: the Muslim faith.12:15
foodcoman6.  A set of principles or beliefs.12:15
naliothhowdy nikkia12:15
naliothhowdy all12:15
nikkiafoodcoman: see definition '2', then compare that to your question about being able to 'back it'12:15
foodcomanSorry for the blast, but look at 3.12:15
foodcomanor 6.12:16
nikkiafoodcoman: definition 2 is the canonical meaning of 'faith' in a religious context12:16
foodcomanMany applications possible.   Up the the user of the word to choose which!12:16
chromateas the 'user of the word' you have the responsibility to use it accurately12:17
chromateto use an obscure meaning is irresponsible12:17
chromatein a religious context, the second definition is really the only applicable one12:17
nikkiafoodcoman:  does that argument follow if i write my own dictionary then ?12:17
foodcomanI am very irresponsible then, sorry!  I alway make obscure application.12:17
apokryphoshola nalioth =)12:18
naliothhow y'all doin today?12:18
foodcomanI have faith that the sun will set tonight.12:18
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apokryphosI'm pretty excellent; settling in.12:18
nikkiachromate: when religious folk talk about 'faith', if they're not using definition 5, then yes12:18
apokryphosfoodcoman: congratulations12:18
nikkia(definition 5 and 6 are identical, btw, bad dictionary!)12:18
foodcomanI have faith that this discussion will be more painful than I intended.12:18
nikkiaand its usually easy to tell between definition 2 and 512:19
chromate.... /nick pedantic12:19
foodcomanI love you all, dont pick on the messenger.12:19
othernoobnikkia: why are 5 and 6 identical? 12:19
apokryphospeople who say they "don't have faith for anything" are using meaningless talk12:19
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nikkiaothernoob: because when you say 'the muslim faith' the 'set of beliefs and principles' is implied12:19
foodcomanHave faith that I wont try and make strange use of words in the future.12:19
apokryphosyou can't use plain deductive reasoning for everyday12:19
nikkiaothernoob: ie, 'the muslim faith' means 'the set of religious beliefs and principles of the muslim religion'12:20
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othernoobnikkia: well yes, but that's not important. 5 only covers religions while 6 covers more than that..12:20
nikkiaothernoob: it doesn't really make much difference, tbh12:21
apokryphosIt does if you're technical. A belief system is quite different to a religion12:21
nikkianon-relgiious things can be a 'faith', if they adhere to definition 6, and thus produce a word pairing that adheres to definition 5 in the process12:21
othernoobnikkia: well, you can't use 5 for some sort of drinking faith, but 6 can be used ;)12:21
apokryphosthough defintions of the latter are, well, sketchy.12:21
ubotuothomas: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?12:22
nikkiaapokryphos: erm, no its not12:22
apokryphosnikkia: define it then12:22
nikkiaapokryphos: a religion IS a belief system12:22
naliothboy this is a fun channel12:22
apokryphosnikkia: of course12:22
foodcomanFunny crowd.  Enjoyable on let loose once in awhile eh?12:22
apokryphosnikkia: but the same is not true vice versa12:23
nikkiaapokryphos: i would argue that it is12:23
apokryphosnikkia: I only meant to imply that they're not identical, of course.12:23
apokryphosnikkia: you think atheism is a religion? I think you'll have problems.12:23
othomasatheism is a denial of religion, therefore faith that it exists12:23
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apokryphosNo, that's incorrect.12:24
apokryphosAtheism is merely the denial of the existence of god(s).12:24
apokryphosthe "a" prefix merely implies "not". Not-theist = atheist.12:24
othomasi rest my case..no need to fight for something to not exist12:24
apokryphosothomas: heh, of course there is. Just as much to argue for something to exist, in many cases.12:25
foodcomanYou can hold a person "in good faith"  Quote from The Prince by Machiavelli, Nicolo12:25
apokryphosfoodcoman: I'm sure the sentence would finish as something like "to deceive them", considering. ;-)12:26
nikkiafoodcoman: that's definition 1, and i fail to see how it is relevant12:26
othomasi have faith that a religous discussion degenerates to an arguement after a while12:26
othernoobone could also compare 5 and 6 by 5 being a religion and 6 being science....12:26
foodcomanNevertheless our experience has been that those princes who have done great things have held good faith of little account, and have known how to circumvent the intellect of men by craft, and in the end have overcome those who have relied on their word.12:26
nikkiaothernoob: science is in fact a religion, technically12:26
apokryphosnikkia: we'd just go around in circles unless you define it12:26
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nikkiaothernoob: it fits the 3rd classical definition of a religion - a set of beliefs or practices taught by a (spiritual) leader12:27
apokryphoswhat's a "spiritual leader"? 12:27
nikkiaapokryphos: someone that passes down the beliefs/practices, so your school science teacher counts :P12:27
othomassomeone you believe in12:27
apokryphosI doubt you'd get many to agree with that definition12:28
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nikkiathe 3rd definition of a religion is important, as without it, you'd have to say buddism isn't a religion :)12:28
apokryphosMost definitions tend to stress the supranatural or "organised worship"12:28
othomas*did someone change the "topic" yet?12:28
apokryphosthough you can have naturalistic religions12:28
apokryphosHeh. #kubuntu-offtopic does actually exist, too. 8)12:29
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nikkiaapokryphos: buddists believe in no supernatural entity per se, so would you say its not a religion ?12:29
afrosheenbuddhists believe in lots of supernatural entities actually12:29
apokryphosnikkia: there are many sects of Buddhism12:29
foodcomanSorry for the comment at the start... Didnt want this to happen....=)   I have to take my son for a hair cut. <--Or is that hairs cut.12:30
apokryphosStill, I don't really agree with the supranatural definition of religion. As I said, it's not easy to define.12:31
apokryphosI think it's pretty clear though that a definition of religion is faulty when it ascribes science (scientology -- a.o.k.) as a religion12:31
nikkiaapokryphos: i don't see why12:32
apokryphosnikkia: because no-one considers it one, partly, and in many cases a shared-understanding is more vital.12:33
apokryphosYour definition makes  almost any belief passed down an automatic religion. People simply don't think that.12:33
naliothyou guys are the cats pajamas!12:33
othernoobThey're what?12:34
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libbennalioth: wheres ur dog?12:37
naliothnikkia: not to derail the subject, but as an aside. how has your day been?12:37
naliothlibben: whois him12:37
nikkianalioth: lousy, end of discussion12:37
naliothnikkia: it'll get better12:37
libbennalioth: u had him helping me with java like a week ago. now i would need that help again. and not the bot help... 12:38
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libbennalioth: is it anyone u know?12:41
naliothlibben: is who anyone i know?12:41
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naliothlibben: nalioth_dog is my left hand12:42
apokryphosnalioth: how can you go anywhere without him then? ;-)12:43
libbencan U/he help me again with java? u typed a line before... it was really easy step... download a java file and then chmod 755 something and then it was allmost done12:45
naliothapokryphos: i havent brought him in here automajically lately12:45
libbenhave downloaded this from the site jre-1_5_0_04-linux-i586.bin 12:45
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nalioths_doglibben: for java: download the .bin file from java.sun.com, sudo apt-get install java-package, chmod +x [the .bin file] , fakeroot make-jpkg [the bin file] , sudo dpkg -i [the generated .deb file] 12:45
libbenthats the line u exactly typed earlier =)12:46
libbenany good place for getting these small easy steps for everything else i might wonder about.12:47
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nalioths_doglibben, ask12:48
libbenwhere can i find a allready made deb file of the newest bin? im on breezy now, and gets some errors while doing the fakeroot thingy12:51
libbenor is the error things normal12:51
nalioths_dogbreezy is broken until oct 1312:52
afrosheenwinter solstice?12:52
libbenwhat u mean by that ?12:52
libbenits comming out oct13 so much i understand.12:52
libbenbut what u mean its broken.12:52
libbenshould i go back to hooray? and play with that until breezy is out ?12:53
nalioths_doglibben, breezy is gonna be a disappointment and a jubilation each day until oct 1312:54
nalioths_doglibben, at which point it stabilizes 12:54
RogueJediXAnother month *sigh*12:55
nalioths_dogsome things that are "broken" today, may work tomorrow and vice versa12:55
nalioths_dogall the way til the 13th12:56
libbenit depends. u dont have to update with synaptic everyday =)12:56
libbenso u reccon i should satisfie with hooray? and wait for breezy?12:57
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naliothi suggest you stick with breezy, unless you like work12:57
froggy25i need help configuring my camera12:57
froggy25i have a creative webcam instant12:58
libbenwell, only things ive done is like installing firefox. and messed with the system alittle.12:58
naliothlibben: in the *nix world, you install once and never again12:58
libbenwell, times are changing =)12:59
naliothlibben: yes and no12:59
libbenas long i can run azerus at day times when im at work.. im satisfied12:59
naliothlibben: the userbase is changing (whose understanding is clouded by the big blue "e")12:59
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naliothlibben: the *nix world is seein a lot of new users formely using microsloth products01:00
naliothlibben: the only simliaritys in *nix and winduhs is that they both use the same hardware01:01
RogueJediXnalioth: Don't forget that *nixes actually work01:02
RogueJediXA lot of crashing goes on in Windows01:02
naliothRogueJediX: that falls outside of "the only similarity"01:02
RogueJediXWhoops, misread that01:04
RogueJediXLemme just get my dunce hat01:04
libbenhow tha fuck can azerus say i appear to run an outdated java version when im running the newest01:06
libbenfuck it, hooray gets back in tommorow01:06
RogueJediXlibben: Which java version are you using anyway?01:06
libbenlibben@burken:~/azureus$ java -version01:07
libbenjava version "1.4.2"01:07
libbengij (GNU libgcj) version 4.0.2 20050808 (prerelease) (Debian 4.0.1-4ubuntu6)01:07
libbensorry for the spam01:07
othernoobheh. 1.4.2 is outdated :p01:07
RogueJediXIsn't 1.5.x latest?01:07
RogueJediXYeah, exactly01:08
froggy25hey i need some help really bad01:08
froggy25does anybody here know anything about webcams01:08
froggy25creative webcams01:09
libbenthis one ive installed01:09
libbenbut dident help me much.01:09
libbenmust sleep... later.01:09
RogueJediXLater, libben 01:09
boogieeverybody loves anal01:09
libbenOooOok. im out =)01:10
othernoobboogie: you're weird...01:10
RogueJediXSomehow I have the feeling he installed 1.4.2 from java's site and then 1.5 from the repos01:10
naliothRogueJediX: yes, it looks like it01:10
boogieisn't it easier to install it from java, it's a piece of cake01:10
boogiefrom sun i mean01:11
naliothy'all let me know when libben comes back01:11
RogueJediXWhat's so hard about clicking on the package and then "apply"?01:11
naliothhe done run off when i was gonna fix him up01:11
boogiewhy do you have to agree to the sun license before installing java, a bit annoying in the installer01:12
RogueJediXProprietary software etc, etc01:12
RogueJediXI dunno01:12
othernoobboogie: what's annoying about it?01:12
boogieit's annoying having to agree to a license in a terminal rather than in a gui installer, just find it wierd01:13
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naliothboogie: yes, it's something out of windows, isn't it?01:14
RogueJediXGreat. I've compiled an app that doesn't work and now I can't make uninstall. Ideas?01:15
othernoobrm -rf * ? ;)01:16
RogueJediXFool me once, shame on me... ;)01:16
Ex-CyberRogueJediX: find the install entry in the Makefile and delete by hand?01:16
othernoobwas worth a try :)01:16
froggy25how in the hell do you configure webcams on here01:16
othernoobpeople still use webcams..interesting...01:17
RogueJediXDang. Is that the only way? I thought maybe there was something else like make remove (which also doesn't work, btw)01:17
jsubl2froggy25: search the wiki01:17
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RogueJediXAll done01:25
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boogsterwhat is better kubuntu or mepis?01:28
naliothboogie: whatever suits you01:29
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boogstermepis latest is newer than hoary01:29
afrosheenhoary just had a huge update recently01:30
afrosheenI apt-get upgraded my kubuntu install today and got like 93 megs of stuff01:30
froggy25where on kubuntu do you add a webcam 01:30
boogsterhmm interesting01:30
froggy25i have a creative webcam instant01:30
froggy25and i want to add it01:30
afrosheen froggy25 : what happened when you plugged it in01:31
froggy25the light came on01:31
RogueJediXfroggy25: Have you tried the kubuntu and ubuntu forums? Or the #ubuntu channel?01:31
froggy25but i wont work01:31
froggy25do what01:31
afrosheenfroggy25: you need to configure whatever software you're using with it then01:32
afrosheenfroggy25: what does dmesg tell you when you plug it in01:32
froggy25what am i susposed to look for afrosheen01:33
afrosheenfroggy25: the last entry01:33
froggy25usb 3-1: new full speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 501:33
froggy25this is what it says01:33
froggy25the light is on the webcam 01:34
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froggy25and thats it01:34
afrosheenfroggy25: ok well what software are you going to use with it01:34
froggy25im using it for instant messaging01:34
froggy25but dont you have to add and configure this webcam into kde first01:35
froggy25before you can use it with software01:35
afrosheennot really01:35
afrosheenfirst you make sure the system knows it's there and initializes it, which has already happened01:36
froggy25well by what you just saw 01:36
froggy25then what01:36
afrosheenthen you setup whatever software you're using with it, in this case you have no idea01:36
afrosheenI think gnomemeeting or something else works with cams01:36
afrosheenthere are a few clients out there01:36
froggy25are they on synaptic01:36
boogstermercury works, like shit01:36
froggy25i need one that does yahoo and aim01:37
froggy25any suggestions01:37
afrosheengood luck01:37
boogstergaim-vv does yahoo receive 01:37
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afrosheenthere's supposed to be a special gaim01:37
afrosheenand one other one...01:37
froggy25what is it01:37
boogstergaim-vv doesn't support msn or aol01:37
afrosheendid you try googling for linux webcam01:37
froggy25not yet01:38
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boogsterdevelopment is seriously slow on webcam support01:38
afrosheenyep it's depressingly slow, I gave up on that prospect last year01:38
froggy25well i need something to use with this01:39
froggy25i spent 30 dollars on this01:39
afrosheenhope you kept the receipt01:39
boogstertry mercury, it's the only one which claims to work01:39
afrosheenI guess that was discouraging01:39
bobbydgnomemeeting works with lots of webcams01:40
afrosheenyeah I mentioned that already but nobody uses it01:40
bobbydthere is no video yahoo and msn client though01:41
boogsterbut no one uses gnomemeeting01:41
afrosheenand he wants to get on LOL R U 4 WINDOZE chat rooms on aol/yahoo01:41
bobbydsomeone should write one :)01:41
bobbydit would be ok if there was a Jabber equivalent01:41
bobbydbut there isn't at the moment, so it's pretty poor01:41
afrosheenwell sip video will end up stomping all this stuff eventually01:42
bobbydof course you could just try to run MSN messenger or Yahoo under wine :)01:42
boogsteryeah but wine sucks01:43
boogsterReceiving Webcam is supported on all operating systems. This functionality is built into the program, so no extra files need to be downloaded or installed.01:43
boogsterSending webcam is supported in 1709 RC7 and later.01:43
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bobbydboogster, I think wine is really cool01:44
afrosheenwine is cool the 10% of the time I can get it to do something right01:44
boogsterit is, but wine is SLOW, native code is what everyone should be using01:45
ianI just got an asus wl-167g usb dongle for wifi, the kernel moduel (rt2500) is loaded and it dosn't show up in my networking config01:45
bobbydafrosheen, cedega is nice if you'd like to pay for it01:45
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afrosheenif I'm going that route I'll buy crossover office01:45
bobbydian, can you see it with lsusb ?01:45
ianbobbyd - cedega is cheap from torrentreactor.net01:46
afrosheenand I have paid for cedega in the past01:46
bobbydian, yeah, I prefer to pay them for it01:46
boogsteri prefer to pirate it, arrrrrr01:46
ianthats good too, I never made it work well01:46
ianyeah, the device shoes \\] ] 01:46
afrosheenfor that matter just download from cvs and build it, why pirate what's free01:46
iangah, shows up in lsusb01:46
bobbydI get a lot of use out of cedega, I think it's a good product01:46
ianall I ever tried with it was cs 1.6 and it was too tweaky for good cs ownage01:47
ianwell, it ran starcraft fine, but I don't play that anymore01:47
bobbydafrosheen, don't you think the guys doing the work deserve some money? it's not exactly expensive01:47
bobbydit think it's funny that whenever poeple try to make money out of free software, people just steal it01:47
afrosheenbobbyd: scroll up and read01:47
ianso, the device is in lsusb, module is loaded, why can't I configure it?01:48
RogueJediXbobbyd: People would pay for it, if they knew if their games actually worked01:48
apokryphosbobbyd: I think it's funnier when it's non-free ;-)01:48
ianI also just rebooted01:48
boogsteri'm going to watch some pr0n, see you later01:48
ianboogster: yeah, have fun buddy01:48
bobbydafrosheen, I reallise you said you'd paid for it, but you were just saying people shouldn't01:48
bobbydRogueJediX, they have a list of games that work01:48
afrosheenwell they offer it for free via cvs, HOWEVER you don't get full functionality due to things they build into the for-sale version01:49
afrosheenso it's a tradeoff anyway01:49
bobbydRogueJediX, for things like Source Engine based games, it's very difficult to keep them working because valve patch it all the time01:49
RogueJediXbobbyd: They have a list of games that are rated on how well they work, but no instructions01:49
bobbydRogueJediX, I've found that the games they rate as workign usually work, but YMMV :)01:49
bobbydand just for the record, I think it's better when developers and publishers can release games for linux, but it's not really commercially viable.01:50
RogueJediXbobbyd: I know mine did. never did get NFS: Road Challenge working01:50
bobbydand when there were native ports (from loki) lots of people just copied them01:50
afrosheenwe can always count on Id to give us unpopular games now ;)01:50
bobbydyeah, doom3 was a bit of a mess on linux01:51
RogueJediXLinux - the abandonware OS :P01:51
afrosheendoom3 sucked period01:51
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ianbobbyd : doom3 ran better on linux than on windows for me01:51
bobbydRogueJediX, quite often it's silly things like the installers that stop games working01:51
ianhowever that works01:51
bobbydian, but not at all on ATI cards...01:51
locomortoa little tip: use loki installers over all else01:51
locomortotheres one for doom 301:51
ianoh, I'm on nvidia01:51
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bobbydyeah, the loci installers are great01:52
afrosheenyep, I third that01:52
locomortoAnd a whole heap of cedega/wine(x) games01:52
RogueJediXbobbyd: In that case, you can always copy it from a windows install if you have one available, but my game got stuck when I tried to run it01:52
bobbydhowever i think the doom3 problems were mainly crappy drivers from ATI01:52
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locomortowhat vid card do you have?01:52
bobbydRogueJediX, things like people useing quicktime for the intro movies, loads of things can go wrong01:52
locomortoAnd what version of the ATi drivers01:52
RogueJediXI think I saw some work on a new Linux installer on happypenguin. BitRock or something01:52
afrosheenI kinda feel sorry for ati owners01:52
Pyfhow do i setup shared folders so ppl on windows computers can copy all my music?01:53
bobbydlocomorto, radeon 9800 and the latest drivers. There was a know bug where D3 would just lock up01:53
locomortoactually my ATi mobility radeon 9600 works very well under the 8.14.13 drivers01:53
RogueJediXbobbyd: That's true01:53
bobbydPyf, you need NFS01:53
afrosheenPyf: click on your konqueror icon, select network shares, follow the yellow brick road01:53
locomortopfs, samba01:53
bobbydlocomorto, oops, yeah :)01:54
bobbydafrosheen, does that 'just work' ?01:54
afrosheenbobbyd: try it, looks viable01:54
locomortoAnyway, has anyone seen the new kubuntu login screens in breezy?01:54
bobbydI'm working on a home project that I hope to relelase on linux.01:54
locomortoI just got them after unborking xorg01:54
bobbydI hope that the company I work for will release the game I'm working on for linux, but it's a difficult sell.01:55
afrosheenbobbyd: the samba scripts in knoppmyth are unbelievably perfect01:55
bobbydafrosheen, cool :)01:55
afrosheenrun one command and all the proper folders are mounted r/w for your workgroup01:55
locomortoRogueJediX: i'm not in the mood to set qemu up01:55
Pyfafrosheen: where is "network shares"?01:55
RogueJediXlocomorto: Alright then, no prob01:56
locomortoInternet & Networking -> Samba01:56
afrosheenPyf: should say 'network folders' when you open konqueror from the taskbar01:56
Pyfafrosheen: yeah i get that, then what do i do, to share a folder on this machine?01:57
afrosheenunless I have mine setup some crazy way, I get a few links after clicking konq01:57
afrosheenPyf: what icons do you get next01:57
Pyfsamba and add a network folder01:57
afrosheenhmmm which one could it be...01:57
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afrosheensurvey says? add a network folder01:57
Pyfadd a network folder seems to be adding a link to a remtooe folder though?01:57
afrosheenyeah..uh..hang on :)01:58
Pyf"select the type of folder u wish to connect to"01:58
Pyfi wanna share not connect...01:58
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Pyfok thx :)01:58
afrosheenok let's try it this way, open your home folder, right click, select properties, then the sharing tab01:59
RogueJediXPyf: Right clicking on a folder in konqueror and then clicking on the share tab works form e01:59
RogueJediX*for me01:59
bobbydPyf, right click a directory, click properties, then share01:59
bobbydafrosheen, oops, i was a little behind there02:00
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Pyfso how would the person on the windows machine go about acceessing the newly shared folder?02:01
RogueJediXPyf: My sis sees my shared folders in Network Places02:02
locomortoPyf: The same way as if it was another windows machine02:02
bobbydPyf, I think you give it the name when you share it02:02
jsubl2Pyf: if you try it the dialog boxes are real easy to follow.  and it tells you the share name02:03
RogueJediXHeh. Supportspam02:03
Pyfhmmm, maybe im being dumb then...02:03
bobbydPyf, tell me your root password and I'll help you out :)02:04
Pyfnot that stupid02:04
afrosheenpyf: just remember that by default you will be in a different workgroup, windows defaults to the mshome group02:05
afrosheenso you may have to do a \\ubuntu\pyfbox\whateverfolder in her browser window then map the share02:05
afrosheennot sure what that path should read02:05
Pyfi think thats where im having problems, i cant work out what that path should be02:06
afrosheenPyf: you already shared the folder right02:06
Pyfi think so02:06
afrosheenwho knows kubuntu's default workgroup02:06
afrosheenor even easier, \\workgroup\yourmachine'shostname02:07
Pyfthats not it02:07
afrosheensearch entire network on the windows box then02:08
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Pyfvery strange02:11
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locomortopersonally, I could not network with my winblows box either02:18
locomortobut that wasa while ago02:18
bobbydPyf, try restarting samba and also checking using 'sudo netstat -tuap' that it's actually listening02:19
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Pyfbobbyd: what would i be looking for in the netstat?02:21
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bobbydPyf, that samba is running and has ports open02:34
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kluihello people03:55
kluianyone have knights in kubuntu?03:55
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apokryphosklui: what is it?04:00
peter_servoHello- I'm running the latest Breezy Badger release and cannot seem to make kmenu changes stick.. anyone else have that problem?04:00
naliothyes explain "knights" please04:01
kluiknights is a chess game for kde04:02
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jesusfishwhat would cause me to not be able to set DMA to 'on' on a hard drive using hdparm?04:06
jesusfishthe driver supports it, and it's set in the BIOS04:06
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sproingiegetting any errors?04:10
jesusfishsproingie: operation not permitted04:11
sproingieare you root?04:12
jesusfishsproingie: yup04:12
sproingiebeats me ...04:12
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jesusfishI didn't have SATA when I bought this drive04:13
apokryphosklui: interesting, but nope -- doesn't seem to have it.04:13
apokryphosklui: erm, ignore me, it does exist04:15
apokryphos!info knights04:15
apokryphoshm, perhaps only in breezy04:16
apokryphos!info knights breezy04:16
ubotuknights: (A chess interface for the K Desktop Environment), section universe/games, is optional. Version: 0.6-3build1 (breezy), Packaged size: 771 kB, Installed size: 1740 kB04:16
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othomashi all04:17
othomasapok, you ever settle the "faith" issue..<grin>04:19
naliothnot again, please04:19
apokryphosothomas: not really; as I said, "religion" isn't an easy word to define. Our common usage leads us to problems when trying to proffer a strict definition for it.04:20
naliothand there is #kubuntu-offtopic for further religious discussions04:20
naliothgo there and let the flames begin04:20
othomasnalioth: just teasing..04:20
apokryphosnalioth: there weren't actually any flames before ;-)04:20
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othomasgood to see you all again..hope things are well..:)04:21
naliothhad us a purty good session on -offtopic earlier04:21
apokryphosit's getting much more popular lately I see04:21
apokryphosused to have around 6 people max some time ago04:22
othomaslot of ppl with issues..SIGH04:22
othomasthink I will UG to breezy04:23
naliothothomas: have fun, it's still rough04:23
othomasyes, is my joy to work with os's04:24
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othomaskubuntu/ubuntu is a lot of BG's stuff, but is needed..you cn get around it if your puter savvy04:25
Kamping_Kaiserlater mate04:27
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othomasactually, if you buy my tokens you can toss them in the pool and then i will sell it to you on the morrow too.04:34
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othomashi fonzi04:41
Fonzii just install kuduntu a couple of days ago..still trying to get aclamated04:41
othomas<smile> quite a change04:42
Fonziyes..especially for the wife and kids :)04:42
Kamping_Kaisergood luck :)04:42
Fonzitux racer is all the kids care about and as long as email is downloading the wife seems to be happy04:42
othomasok, that works..haha04:43
Kamping_Kaiserlol. classic04:43
othomashow do you like it?04:43
Fonzii have had quite a few calls at work though with stuff like "umm how do i get on the internet now.." :)04:43
Fonzii love it..im having little problems here and there but its working ok..04:43
othomassame here..04:44
Fonzifirst problem is that i keep double clicking everything04:44
othomashi KK04:44
Kamping_Kaiserhi ot04:44
othomas :)04:44
Fonzii need to spend some time getting the multimedia stuff to work..i cant do anything with amarok04:45
Fonzisays no engine found when i try to play something04:45
othomaswhat you trying to play?04:45
Fonzibut xmms seems to work ok..04:45
Fonzian internet station04:45
othomasohh. stick with xmms04:46
Fonzixmms is great i just miss the ability to have bookmarks04:46
Fonzifrom winamp04:46
apokryphosFonzi: xmms is pretty bad, considering the competition04:46
othomasit's called favorites with xmms04:46
Fonzibut where do i set a favorite?04:47
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othomasLOL apok04:47
Fonziapokryphose what do you suggest instead?04:47
apokryphosubotu: tell Fonzi about players04:48
apokryphosFonzi: my personal favourites are easily amaroK and JuK04:48
Fonzibut i cant get amarok to play a radiop station..04:48
Fonzisays no engine found04:48
apokryphosnot sure how it is exactly with streams; you can ask in #amarok04:49
apokryphosbut, install the amarok-engine (or something) pack to get the other engines04:49
Fonziok..ill check overthere later on04:49
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Fonzihmm..looks like amarok engines is what i need..04:49
Fonziamazing what find and kynaptic can do for you :)04:50
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Fonzihmm..oh well that didnt work either..xmms may be old but it works ;)04:54
jesusfishanyone here using breezy + nvidia?04:55
Fonzinot me04:56
Kamping_Kaiserjesusfish: yeh, i try now and then04:58
jesusfishKamping_Kaiser: have any issues with 2.6.12 and the nvidia driver from breezy?05:00
Kamping_Kaiserjesusfish: i could never get it to run, but it seems that could be because i (have an smp kernel)05:02
Kamping_Kaiserhm. no idea what the () was for05:03
jesusfishKamping_Kaiser: ah05:03
Kamping_Kaiserbut my mobo just died... so i cant test the theory :(05:03
naliothKamping_Kaiser: watch those rocks05:03
jesusfishKamping_Kaiser: mine runs, but freezes if I use RenderAccel05:03
Kamping_Kaiserah ok.smp kernel? i havent tried accel things05:04
jesusfishKamping_Kaiser: no smp05:04
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Kamping_Kaiserhm. ok. you almost gave me hope ;)05:05
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[Relic] is there a java package for use with mozilla or should I DL the one it tries to call up when it asks for java?05:06
nalioth[Relic] : ask seveas for his pkg05:10
jesusfishdarn, looks like the nvidia issue is common05:11
[Relic] what nvidia issue?05:12
jesusfish[Relic] : screen freeze if renderaccel is on05:12
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[Relic] is that with nvidias drivers latest drivers?05:13
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[Relic] since I have nvidia and installed that :)05:14
jesusfish[Relic] : with whatever breezy provides05:14
[Relic] ok, haven't gotten breezy yet05:14
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jesusfish[Relic] : it hard to install drivers striaght from nvidia?05:16
[Relic] not sure if I did or found it in the package manager, I know I had to update something, and I know I went to their site to see what was available05:18
[Relic] maybe it was that glx wasn't installed when I was trying to use something that had it, not really sure I have done a lot of things I don't really remember since it was simply follwing instructions to get everything working  :)05:20
[Relic] javaj2-common?05:21
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troycool, new fglrx drivers in breezy should finally support my chipset!05:24
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[Relic] I have an old serial port scanner and printer and I didn't have them on when I installed, how do I determine what I need for setup drivers?05:33
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jesusfish[Relic] : looks like the newest version from nVidia doesn't work anyways05:39
[Relic] ah05:39
[Relic] you just have to quit breaking things  :)05:39
jesusfish[Relic] : it's a know issue anyways05:40
jesusfish[Relic] : according to Ubuntu forums05:40
[Relic] then I am sure I don't have that on :)05:43
jesusfish[Relic] : well, it's not for everyone05:44
jesusfish[Relic] : but for enough that it's known05:44
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[Relic] I only use blender to render :)05:47
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nocanybody know how to upgrade kubuntu libc ?06:40
naliothnoc: what version are you running now? warty, hoary or breezy?06:41
noci cannot install jre1.4 with 2.3.2.ds1-20ubuntu13 version06:41
noci need libc higher than 2.3.2.ds1-2106:41
naliothnoc: breezy kubuntu will be out oct 1306:42
nocits too long06:42
crimsunnoc: you should use 'java-package' (in multiverse) to create a deb from Sun's/IBM's JRE06:42
nocis there another solution ?06:42
naliothif you upgrade your libc, you'll break your machine06:43
nocmy application always crash with sun-jre1.506:43
nocits stable in 1.4 or 1.306:43
crimsunso create a deb of 1.4.206:43
crimsunthat's precisely what I did06:43
crimsunClassic VM (build 1.4.2, J2RE 1.4.2 IBM build cxia32142-20050609 (JIT enabled: jitc))06:43
nocyou mean like downloading the tar.ball and create the .deb ?06:44
crimsunyep, it's automatic06:44
nochmm.. im trying with tar ball also, but it's show a depedency with libc06:44
noc# ./bin/java06:44
noc/home/noc/jre1.3.1_02/bin/i386/native_threads/java: error while loading shared libraries: libstdc++-libc6.1-1.so.2: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory06:44
nocim not sure if i compile into .deb it can fix the problem06:45
nocbtw crimsun, can you show me url how to compile from source tar ball to .deb ?06:45
crimsunyou don't compile the _source_06:45
crimsunyou download the jre tgz06:46
crimsunthen you use make-jpkg06:46
noc.tgz mean slackware / bsd package ? 06:46
crimsunno, I mean the tarball of the binary that Sun or IBM provides06:46
crimsun(as opposed to the RPM)06:46
nocoh i c06:47
noc# whereis make-jpkg06:47
crimsuninstall java-package (in multiverse) like I said06:47
nocsorry make-jpkg is a command line or what ?06:47
crimsunit's a script, just like kernel-package's make-kpkg06:48
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noco i c06:49
nocdescribe in http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-23592.html ? right ?06:49
nocoh ok, thanks crimsun 06:50
nocE: Couldn't find package java-package06:52
crimsunyou must enable the multiverse repository.06:53
nocwhere can i find an available mirror site for java-package ? sun ?06:54
nocblackport ?06:54
nocdeb http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net/ hoary-backports main universe multiverse restricted ??06:54
crimsunjava-package is in multiverse06:55
nocoke thanks06:55
crimsunit's in Ubuntu's repository, not an external one06:55
noci found it06:55
noc fakeroot make-jpkg j2re-1_3_1_02-linux-i386.bin06:59
nocCreating temporary directory: /tmp/make-jpkg.XXXXwIiclj06:59
nocLoading plugins: blackdown-j2re.sh blackdown-j2sdk.sh common.sh ibm-j2re.sh ibm-j2sdk.sh j2re.sh j2sdk.sh j2se.sh sun-j2re.sh sun-j2sdk.sh06:59
nocNo matching plugin was found.06:59
nocRemoving temporary directory: done06:59
crimsunwhy not use Sun's or IBM's 1.4.2?06:59
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nocit's more compatible with 1.307:00
Bicchii gnome and kde installed. how do i completly remove gnome?07:00
nocok sorry got to go, see ya later crimsun 07:01
nocthanks for advice07:01
sproingieshould be a gnome package you can remove07:01
sproingieremoving ubuntu-desktop might do it, depends how it was installed07:01
Bicchiyeap that does it07:02
Bicchii used synaptic. i wasn't sure what name was under07:02
Bicchii was looking for gnome-desktop07:02
Bicchibut thatt did not remove gnome07:03
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lwellsHi everyone07:59
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Black_Monkeyoh crap, iTunes doesn't work on Linux...08:02
crimsunit runs under a special fork of WINE08:02
crimsunsee Codeweaver's Crossover08:02
crimsunon the other hand, you can use pymusique08:03
crimsunor you can use Windows or Mac OS to download the songs, then use a program like iOpener or jHymn to strip the DRM, then use gstreamer-faad to play the m4as08:03
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Black_Monkeywell I only want it to put songs on my iPod...08:04
Black_Monkeyand by WINE, you mean a windows emulator or something, not the alcohol, right?08:05
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ndazzahi! how can i stop konqueror editing wiki pages on double click?08:15
lwellshi all08:16
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satafterhwhen is Breezy due to come out08:20
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ndazzasatafterh: i think 13th Oct08:25
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_lucianis there anybody awake?08:39
_luciancan you help with a thing nVidia & X related?08:40
ndazzamaybe, just ask and someone will reply though08:41
_luciani have installed nvidia drivers, and i have modified xorg.conf as they say08:41
_lucianbut when i reboot it goes blank and says it couldn't find GLX08:42
_lucianwhat can i do to make it work08:42
ndazzamake sure you have the nvidia-glx package installed, and make sure the line Load "glx" appears in your xorg.conf08:42
_lucianit appears08:43
ndazzaand the package?08:43
_lucianand nvidia glx is installed08:43
ndazzatype: less /var/log/Xorg.0.log08:43
ndazzalook down near the bottom of the file, see if there's any lines that start with (EE)08:44
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_lucianin the Xorg.0.log says, but without the (EE) in front of it, that:08:45
_lucian(--) PCI:*(2:0:0) nVidia Corporation unknown chipset (0x0045) rev 161, Mem @ 0xe0000000/24, 0xd0000000/28, 0xe1000000/2408:45
_lucianbut in the readme file that came with the driver it says it works with chipset 0x0045, which is Geforce 6800GT08:46
ndazza_lucian: the nvidia binary driver is generic, it should work ok with any nvidia graphics card08:48
_luciani have many warnings about generic monitor and the following (EE) message:08:48
_lucian(EE) Failed to initialize GLX extension (NVIDIA X driver not found)08:48
_lucianwhat is that?08:48
ndazzatry sudo modprobe nvidia08:48
chavo_lucian, is nvidia-glx installed?08:49
ndazzameans the nvidia driver isn't loaded into memory08:49
_lucianwhat it is supposed to do?08:49
ndazzatype lsmod | grep nvidia08:49
ndazzaif there's no output your nvidia kernel module hasn't been loaded08:49
_luciansudo modprobe nvidia - doesn't do anything08:50
ndazzathat has to be done before X starts or you won't get an accelerated X server08:50
_luciani'm in kde right now08:51
_lucianfor that i have to reboot but not load x?08:51
ndazzano, you can load the module now08:51
ndazzaand test to see if it works by typing startx -- :108:52
_lucianhow do i do that08:52
ndazzafirst check if it is loaded - lsmod | grep nvidia08:52
_luciani did that, but i don't know what the result means...08:53
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ndazzais there any result?08:53
_luciani have 3 output lines08:53
_luciannvidia               3708296  008:53
_luciannvidia_agp              7452  108:53
_lucianagpgart                31784  2 nvidia,nvidia_agp08:53
ndazzaok, the modules are loaded then08:53
ndazzatry startx -- :108:54
ndazzayou should get a new window08:54
ndazzato switch between them you will need to use Ctrl+Alt+F7 and Ctrl+Alt+F808:54
_luciannvidia               3708296  008:54
_luciannvidia_agp              7452  108:54
_lucianagpgart                31784  2 nvidia,nvidia_agp08:54
ndazzaby window i mean a fullscreen X session thingy... hehe technical term you see :p08:54
_lucianwhen i typed startx.... and look what it said:08:55
_lucianX: user not authorized to run the X server, aborting.08:55
_luciangiving up.08:55
_lucianxinit:  Connection refused (errno 111):  unable to connect to X server08:55
_lucianxinit:  No such process (errno 3):  unexpected signal 2.08:55
_lucianCouldnt get a file descriptor referring to the console08:55
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ndazzahmm ok08:55
ndazzait will probably be easier to restart X then08:55
_lucianyou mean right now?08:56
ndazzayeah, to see if loading that module fixes the problem08:56
_lucianwith the xorg.conf modified or not?08:56
ndazzayes, modified08:56
_lucianbut how do i load the module?08:56
ndazzait is loaded08:56
ndazzait should have loaded when you typed modprobe nvidia08:57
_lucianbut when i restart x it won't unload the module?08:57
ndazzano, the kernel module will stay loaded until it is unloaded or until the system restarts08:57
_luciani'll do that, and then come back08:58
_lucianbye for  now08:58
ndazzayou need to make sure the X server is shut down, not just log out then back in08:58
ndazzagood luck :008:58
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_luciani'm back09:21
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_lucianndazza are you still there?09:23
ndazzai'm around, afk mostly though09:26
ndazzadid you have any luck?09:26
ndazzawhat happened?09:27
_lucianit went completely blank and i couldn't do anything, but push reset button09:27
_luciani could see for an instance an nvidia logo and then went blank09:27
_lucianwhen i rebooted, it went again blank, but when i pressed a key, i could login into console and consulted Xorg.0.log file09:28
_lucianwhere it said only good things, but many warnings, about generic monitor09:29
_luciancould it be from the monitor?09:29
_lucianhow can i change it?09:29
after8_lucian> using nvidia ??09:30
after8with hoary or breezy?09:30
_lucianwhat is that?09:30
after8the version of (k)ubuntu .... ;)09:30
_lucian5.04, i think hoary09:31
_lucianwhat can i do?09:32
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mornfallre aftertaf :)09:36
aftertafre :)09:36
aftertafadept seems quite happily stable09:36
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ndazza_lucian: i don't think it is the monitor... but i'm not sure what it could be. ask in #ubuntu, that channel is alot more active :)09:39
_lucianbut how can i change the monitor?09:39
_luciani'm walking through the menus and i can't find it09:40
aftertaf_lucian> i missed your reply to nv/nvidia.....09:40
_lucianit is nvidia09:40
_lucianand it doesn't work09:40
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aftertafhave you tried 'nv'?09:40
aftertafdoes X work with nv?09:40
_lucianright now i'm in x with 'nv' but i want 'nvidia'09:41
aftertafok.... i understand you do ;)  but making sure where the pb can be.....09:41
aftertafdo you have the nvidia stuff from ubuntu installed too?09:41
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aftertaf_lucian> by that i mean nvidia-glx, linux-restricted ... ?09:42
othomashi all09:42
_lucianwhat do you mean from ubuntu?09:43
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aftertaf_lucian> run synaptic and see if those packages are installed09:43
_luciannvidia-glx is09:43
pedri2in kopete, how do you get the list of chat rooms in yahoo?09:44
aftertaf_lucian> ok.....09:44
aftertaf_lucian> now, i got the nvidia binary working only when i removed those packages09:45
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aftertaf_lucian> there may be a better way to use it, with these packages, but i dont know it man;)09:45
_lucianand linux-restricted-modules-2.6.10-5-386 and linux-restricted-modules-386 also09:45
aftertaf_lucian> her's a checklist before removing things......  have you commented out the "dri" module in xorg.conf?09:46
_luciani have installed nvidia binary, but when i changed xorg.conf it didn't work09:46
_lucianyes i did that, exactly like in the readme file that came with the drivers09:47
aftertafremove the packages then....09:48
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aftertafand try with "nvidia"..09:48
aftertafif that fails, reinstall the NVIDIA.run driver09:48
_lucianlet me try it and i'll come back09:49
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pedri2is there a way to get the chat room list on yahoo using kopete?09:50
pedri2or do i have to install gaim instead?09:51
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aftertafmornfall> funny thing......09:52
aftertafim running adept on a 2nd breezy PC. i term via ssh the export display The app... ok?09:53
aftertafI did CTL+Z to interrupt, to check sth in console, and adept remained active...09:53
aftertafi then bg'ed to bring it back and it seems just as happy....09:53
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_luciani'm back09:56
_luciani think it worked!!!09:57
aftertafyou think?09:57
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aftertafgot glxgears installed?09:57
_luciani don't know09:57
_lucianhow do i find out09:57
aftertafsudo apt-get install glx-gears09:58
naliothaftertaf: that is ONE way to find out09:58
naliothaftertaf: the preferred method is opening a terminal and typing "glxgears"09:58
naliothaftertaf: or "which glxgears"09:58
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aftertafyou're right, i didnt know the which thingy<;...09:59
aftertafbut most times it aint installed....09:59
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_lucianit is installed, because some wheels started running10:00
_lucianwhat does it do?10:00
naliothaftertaf: not "superior" just more of a nerd10:00
_lucianand they are not stopping!!!10:01
naliothaftertaf: if you have openGL installed, [GL] xgears usually is, too10:01
nalioth_lucian: you can close the window10:01
_lucianwhat does it do?10:01
aftertaflooool :)10:01
aftertafomg theyre unstoppable :D10:01
_lucianwhy are you laughing???10:01
naliothaftertaf: explain glxgears to _lucian, sil vous plait10:02
aftertafcos i really need a piss, actually :)10:02
_lucianlook what appeared in the shell!!!10:03
_lucian46933 frames in 5.0 seconds = 9386.600 FPS10:03
_lucian50108 frames in 5.0 seconds = 10021.600 FPS10:03
_lucian48564 frames in 5.0 seconds = 9712.800 FPS10:03
_lucian48881 frames in 5.0 seconds = 9776.200 FPS10:03
_lucian49920 frames in 5.0 seconds = 9984.000 FPS10:03
_lucian49973 frames in 5.0 seconds = 9994.600 FPS10:04
_lucian49594 frames in 5.0 seconds = 9918.800 FPS10:04
_lucian50073 frames in 5.0 seconds = 10014.600 FPS10:04
ndazzai think it's working10:04
_lucianwhat is that???10:04
ndazzaglxgears is used as a sort of standard benchmark10:04
_lucianand is it good?10:04
ndazzato see if 1) OpenGL apps work and 2) you are getting the performance you expect from an openGL application10:04
nikkia_lucian: its not 'good' or 'bad', its just a way to tell if GL is accelerated or not10:05
ndazzaif your fps is less than about a thousand something is probably broken10:05
ndazzaand if it doesn't start it's definately broken10:05
_luciannow can i try some games?10:05
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nikkia_lucian: sure10:05
nikkia10k FPS is definitely accelerated :)10:06
ndazza_lucian: no, games are evil and rot your brain. but if you really want to we can't stop you... :p10:06
mornfallaftertaf: are you sure it was running in foreground? :)10:06
ndazzanikkia: it could be minimised or hidden by a window10:06
nikkiandazza: it would still be lower if it was running in software, IME10:06
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nikkiandazza: i think my non-accelerated laptop gets about 1200fps if its minimised, and about 400fps if its a normal non-obscured window10:07
ndazzanikkia: not if....... he has recompiled glxgears to skip the actual drawing of the graphics. or if he's running on a cell cpu. or if......... i dunno i suppose you're right10:07
_lucianwhat are you talking about???10:08
ndazzai can't check cos breezy's glxgears doesn't give you an fps10:08
nikkiandazza: you're in to the realms of 'not trusting ANY glxgears output with those tho :)10:08
nikkiandazza: and i doubt that it running on a cell would change it much, tbh10:08
nikkiandazza: about all that could be offloaded on a SPE would be the T&L, but thats not usually where software GL is bottlenecked anyway10:09
_luciando you have some more time to axplain me another problem that i have encounterd?10:09
ndazzanikkia: cells are optimised for parallel work... much like gfx cards10:09
naliothnikkia: howdy10:09
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nikkiandazza: yes, but the SPEs in a cell aren't magic CPUs10:09
ndazza_lucian: if we don't someone else will probably pick it up10:09
ndazza_lucian: so ask away10:09
nikkiandazza: they have a very finite set of things they are good for, software OpenGL wouldn't map very well10:09
ndazzanikkia: ok ok so there's no way he doesn't have acceleration :D10:09
nikkiamorning nalioth10:10
_lucianafter i installed the nforce drivers (audio and network) when booting, alsa reports no souncard!10:10
_lucianshoul i uninstall alsa?10:10
naliothi suck. my glxgears shows 10.30410:10
ndazzai wonder... is the software gl multithreaded..10:10
nikkiandazza: mesa? i don't think so10:11
ndazzanalioth: at least it says something10:11
ndazzanalioth: mine doesn't :'(10:11
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_lucianno one answers my question10:13
nikkiandazza: i'll tell you one place where you WILL see better mesa (software GL) performance - on a PPC - its very register heavy10:13
nalioth_lucian: no need to uninstall10:13
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_lucianbut what about that problem?10:13
naliothnikkia: that's funny. i AM on a ppc10:13
ndazzaPPC has more registers?10:13
nikkiandazza: yes10:14
nikkiandazza: 32 full width registers + 32 floating point registers10:14
naliothand my glxgears score barely registers10:14
ndazzai didn't know that. you seem to know alot about cpus10:14
nikkianalioth: what PPC? G3?10:14
naliothnikkia: knows a lot about everything10:14
Tm_Thi kids10:14
naliothnikkia: dual G5 powermac10:14
nikkianalioth: odd10:15
nikkianalioth: the G5 should be reasonably good at software GL, all considered10:15
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nikkianalioth: might just be that its terribly optimised, or a sign that the X driver stinks10:15
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nikkia(terribly as in 'badly' not 'a lot')10:16
ndazzanikkia: so terribly unoptimised? :p10:16
naliothnikkia: i understand how you meant it10:16
nikkiandazza: the meaning flips still, depending on how you interpret 'terribly', lousy english language and its overridden words :)10:16
naliothndazza: plus nikkia speaks english-gb and i speak english-us10:17
ndazzanalioth: i speak english-au, could be an interesting conversation10:17
mornfallnikkia: software gl is very slow on any cpu i know of10:18
mornfallnikkia: the problem is not computing power but fillrate10:18
naliothndazza: perhaps i should join #ubuntu-de or -fr10:18
nikkiamornfall: compared to hw, yes10:18
mornfallnikkia: even a cheap gpu has many times higher fill rate than any consumer cpu10:18
nikkiamornfall: but in theory, software GL on a decent CPU like a G5, should approach the level of hw GL on oldish hw10:18
ndazzanalioth: start your own, then you get to make up your own language10:19
mornfallnikkia: nah, that doesn't work like that10:19
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ndazzamornfall: he's getting 10fps...10:19
nikkiamornfall: see, fillrate is one reason i'd have expected the G5 to fair better...10:19
nikkiamornfall: a 1GHz FSB counts for a lot10:19
mornfallndazza: i get usually 410:19
ndazzahmm, is that even useful for anything/10:20
mornfallnikkia: FSB is fine, but your memory is slow anyway :)10:20
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nikkiamornfall: relatively speaking, compared to a modern GPU, yes10:21
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mornfallnikkia: not to mention that the memory and fsb are both busy transferring normal data/code around10:21
naliothis the 'nv' driver supposed to be hardware accellerative?10:21
nikkianalioth: no10:21
mornfallnalioth: not for 3d10:21
nikkianalioth: you want 'nvidia' for that, but afaik, they've never released linux PPC binaries10:22
mornfallnikkia: compared to my mga g450 from several years ago, too :)10:22
Gmpdoes anyone know how to get a usb drive working in kubuntu10:22
nikkiagmp, generally 'plug it in' :)10:22
Gmpwon't work10:22
Gmpsays "media:/sda110:22
Tm_Tplug in and use konqi to browse it ;)10:22
mornfallnikkia: (before the dri/drm stuff got broken on mga, i got some 25 FPS on tuxracer 1024x768, which is hell lot more than you get with software)10:22
Gmp"says "media:/sda1 does not exist5"10:22
ndazzaGmp: try sudo mount /dev/sda1 /media/sda110:23
Gmpwithout the 510:23
ndazzayou will probably need to create the directory /media/sda1 first10:23
mornfallnikkia: considering nontrivial portion of the gl api is emulated in software for mga, i just guess it boils down to the fillrate10:23
nikkiagmp, its possible you might have the crappy usb-storage driver loaded, in which case it'll be uba1 and likely not work (as the ub* driver is designed for memory cards, and doesn't handle a lot else)10:23
naliothi take it nvidia is a binary only x86 driver?10:23
nikkianalioth: unless nvidia has released a PPC version recently, yes10:24
ndazzanalioth: yes10:24
ndazzai think there's an AMD64 driver out now too10:24
nikkiaand no, they haven't :/10:24
mornfallndazza: when it was new, it was hell slower than x86... no idea if it's fixed already10:25
mornfallanyway, food time10:25
naliothi have this available. what is it? >> nvidia-kernel-common10:25
Gmpit worked fine in ubuntu10:25
ndazzamornfall: i could try it... but i'd have to install a 64bit distro first10:25
Gmpbut not in kubuntu10:25
nikkianalioth: surprising :)10:25
aftertafnalioth> i cant get the ubuntu nvidia stuff to work. i have to use nvidia.run binary10:25
nikkianalioth: the mind boggles as to what that actually does on PPC10:25
naliothi installed hoary on this when i got it10:26
naliothhoary chose nv for the driver10:26
naliothi've got a really nice nvidia card in it, and (in my testosterone driven fashion) would like to have more use out of it10:26
nikkianalioth: there's not much you can do, apart from petition nvidia, like most other linux ppc users10:27
nikkianvidia haven't listened so far, tho10:27
aftertafnalioth> we're getting a lot of bots in ubuntu chan...10:28
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naliothaftertaf: "lot of bots" means you need windshield wipers to see the actual chat going on10:28
aftertafoki :)10:28
naliothanyway, i havent seen anthing in Tiger with its "quartz rendering" that makes me drool10:31
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ndazzadoes anyone here use kopete as their irc client?10:31
nikkianow, that... is...a...first10:31
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nikkiaspam, trying to sell me.... monkeys10:31
naliothnikkia: as opposed to monkeys trying to see you spam?10:31
naliother sell you spam?10:32
Gmpmount: /dev/sda1 is already mounted or /media/sda1 is busy10:32
nikkianalioth: i've never had spam selling monkeys before tho, very unusual10:32
ndazzaGmp: type mount | grep sda110:32
naliothnikkia: you're not set +CE ?10:33
nikkianalioth: i mean email spam10:33
naliothnikkia: alrighty then10:34
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icehow can i active the daemon of telnetd? 10:38
klermi dont know10:38
klermhow r u?10:39
icewithout modify of the services file from kde10:39
icefine but with problems10:39
klermme too10:39
klermwere u now?10:39
icein spain10:40
klermgrr u!10:40
Gmpit won't let me past thingy10:41
iceyes klerm i am sure i am spanish :D10:41
icegmp you know how active telnet daemon in kubuntu?10:41
ndazzaice: i think you need to put a line in /etc/inetd.conf10:41
Gmp:      /dev/sda1 on /media/sda1 type vfat (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev,quiet,shortname=winnt,vid=1000,gid=1000,vmask=077,locharset=ctfs)10:42
ndazzayay! looks like that was done automatically too10:42
icei go to try10:42
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icendazza dont have the /etc/inetd.conf10:43
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icendazz i found it what line i need add?10:44
ndazzaice: try this: telnet stream tcp nowait root /usr/bin/telnetd10:44
ndazzaice: you have installed the telnetd package?10:45
icei installed telnetd10:45
ndazzaice: i just installed telnetd then and i'm able to connect without configuring it10:45
icei cant 10:46
icei will test with the line10:46
ndazzaice: installing the package added this line to my inetd.conf:10:46
ndazzatelnet          stream  tcp     nowait  telnetd.telnetd /usr/sbin/tcpd  /usr/sbin/in.telnetd10:46
icenot to me :D10:46
ndazzabad luck :) you obviously didn't insert a 20c piece first10:47
ndazzaoh... that's probably an australianism10:47
icei will write the lines10:47
iceto test10:47
ndazzaice: you should really use ssh for most things these days...10:48
Tm_Tssh & sshfs <310:48
icendazza it works very thanks ;)10:50
ndazzaice: no probs10:50
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Gmpso how do i get it working10:55
ndazzaGmp: the usb stick?10:58
ndazzaGmp: just fire up konqueror and enter /media/sda1 and there it is10:58
Gmpum, k10:59
GmpCool, it works now, thanks =D11:00
ndazzano probs. when ur done, it will be safest to use umount /media/sda111:01
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Gmpif i do that, will i have to re mount it every time i plug it in11:02
aftertafGmp> is it in fstab?11:03
ndazzayou shouldn't have had to in the first place, i'm not sure what the problem was11:03
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Spermitehe following packages have unmet dependencies:11:08
Spermite  kaffeine: Depends: kdelibs4 (>= 4:3.3.2-4.0.2) but it is not going to be installed11:08
Spermite            Depends: libqt3c102-mt (>= 3:3.3.4) but it is not going to be installed11:08
SpermiteE: Broken packages11:08
Tm_Tkaffeine :/11:09
Spermite=0( theres aloy of things i cant get11:10
ndazzai had the same with hoary the other weekend, on about 3 machines - installing ubuntu-desktop and kubuntu-desktop11:12
othomaskaffeine installed on hoary for me11:12
aftertafSpermite> you are on Sid.... it is like that a lot11:12
Gmphow do i install wine11:13
ndazzaGmp: apt-get install wine winesetuptk winetools11:14
ndazzai think11:14
ndazzaoh with sudo11:14
ndazzaat the start11:14
Gmpi've got it11:14
Gmpi just downloaded it and extracted it11:14
Gmpit's just thousands of files11:14
ndazzaGmp: you probably have the source. use the package manager instead, it will save you some pain11:15
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Gmpi am veeery linux noob11:15
Gmpi don't know how to compile it =(11:15
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ndazzaopen up synaptic11:16
ndazzasearch for wine11:16
ndazzaand install all the packages you see11:16
GmpWhat is synaptic?11:17
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ndazzathe package manager that comes with ubuntu...11:17
ndazzaanyone here know what the kde one is?11:17
ndazzawell, just hit alt+f2 and type 'synaptic'11:18
naliothndazza: kynaptic or adept11:18
ndazzanalioth: installed by default?11:18
naliothndazza: kynaptic is the more common one11:18
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ndazzaok thanks11:18
ndazzaGmp: k menu->system->package manager (whichever one is there)11:19
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ndazzaew! kynaptic is crap11:20
pointwooduse adebt11:20
after8ndazza> i agree.... so go adept or synaptic11:20
after8adept is kde compliant11:20
ndazzapointwood: adept uninstallable in breezy11:21
after8ndazza> update and try again11:21
after8i am breezing with it now :D11:21
pointwoodwell, then use synaptic11:21
ndazzaafter8: hehe.. ohh.. i actualyl have my own mirror. i will have to rsync the updates11:21
mornfallerk-sync? :)11:21
ndazzai suppose it's not for me anyway. Gmp, looks like you should try adept11:21
Gmpwhere is adept?11:22
after8your own mirror. wow thats posh ;p11:22
ndazzaafter8: i set it up for software freedom day11:22
ndazzaGmp: you will probably need to install it. go to a console and type sudo apt-get install adept11:22
ndazzaGmp: after that you can use a GUI for all your package management stuff11:23
Gmpthe computer that has it doesn't have internet11:23
ndazzaoh. i see11:23
Gmpwhich makes things really difficult>:{11:23
ndazzai bet11:23
after8deb http://pdx.freedesktop.org/~mornfall/adept/breezy/ ./ 11:23
after8Gmp> ^^^^^^^11:23
mornfallafter8: is that still needed?11:23
Gmpwhats that11:23
after8mornfall> i have no idea :D11:23
ndazzaohhhhh so that's why you downloaded the wine source11:23
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GmpDOes kynaptic still work?11:24
ndazzaGmp: not without internet no :)11:24
Gmpbut i have wine11:25
Gmpit's on the desktiop11:25
ndazzaGmp: well, it will work with the cds11:25
Gmpargh, where is setup.exe11:25
ndazzaGmp: hehehe that's what the package manager is for11:25
ndazzaGmp: the easiest way to get wine would be to get the .deb files you need onto the computer and install them with a package manager11:26
Gmpi have hundreds of files11:26
ndazzaGmp: the other thing you can do is try to build it with the source you have there11:26
Gmpbut i don't know how to use them11:26
Gmphow do i build it11:26
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ndazzaGmp: open up a console, change to the directory and type ./configure && make && make install11:26
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after8Gmp> sudo make install at the end is needed :)11:27
naliothndazza: the easiest way is to install wine from the repos (unless i've missed something)11:28
ndazzanalioth: indeed you have. no internet on the box in question11:28
Gmpin wine there is lots of folders11:28
Gmpwhich one do i cd to11:28
naliothndazza: use apt-zip11:28
ndazzawhere you are shold be ok11:28
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ndazzanalioth: never heard of it. u wanna tell him how to do it?11:28
Gmpi unzipped wine to /home/nick/desktop/wine11:29
ndazzaoh i have to leave now anyway. Gmp you should run those commands from that directory then11:29
ndazzagtg sorry!11:29
naliothopen a term and type "man apt-zip" or google "manpage apt-zip"11:29
Gmpbye ndazza11:29
_pedri2i have setup kubuntu on a public computer and want to disable kwallet, how do i do it?11:29
_pedri2the computer should not be able to store passwords11:30
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after8_pedri2> have you consulted the kwallet doc anywhere?11:32
_pedri2after8: gee that was easy. thanks 11:33
after8was it in there?11:34
_pedri2yes in control center11:34
_pedri2i just disabled the kde wallet subsystem11:34
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after8hehe :D nice one.11:36
Gmpi have no C compiler 11:38
_pedri2sudo apt-get install gcc11:38
Gmpno internet11:39
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_pedri2Gmp: how are you able to chat with us now?11:40
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Gmpno internet on my computer with linux11:40
naliothGmp: you'll need more than gcc11:40
_pedri2if i recall you don't have to connect to the internet to install gcc11:40
Gmphow then11:40
Gmpit just comes out of no where?11:40
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Gmpor install cd?11:40
after8cant you setup connection sharing?11:41
after8Kamping_Kaiser> back to Kamping_Kaiser today then ?? :D11:41
Kamping_Kaiserafter8: if you insist ;)11:41
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after8prefer kk though.. it tabs better :D11:42
_pedri2Gmp: after i installed kubuntu i just tried sudo apt-get install gcc without any internet connection and it worked11:42
`6ogyeh, i do as well for most purposes :)11:42
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after8Gmp> install cd, yes.11:43
after8the cd is an apt source too :D11:43
mornfallKamping_Kaiser: where'd you camp, emperor? :)11:44
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Kamping_Kaisermornfall:i dont camp. i got the camping bit from a flash animation called 'counterstick'11:45
Kamping_Kaiserits a long story in full ;) but basicly a character in the animation is called carl, and he camps. im also called Karl ::)11:46
kakaltoanyone running opera under kubuntu here?11:46
Kamping_Kaiserhi kakalto11:46
kakaltoheya kaiser11:46
Kamping_Kaiser:) not bad. self?11:47
kakaltonot good :)11:47
Kamping_Kaiserso should that be :) or :( ?11:48
kakaltoor perhaps :'(11:48
after8or even $%={()11:49
after8but that looks painfu11:49
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setitehey how do i control kde11:51
Kamping_Kaiserdark magic :)11:51
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setitelike when i go to settings in konqueror... how do i run those apps in sudo11:51
setitethey always have the options greyed out due to not running sudo/root11:51
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kakaltoif you just run kcontrol, isn't there a button to go sudo?11:52
Kamping_Kaiserhi fluffybunny_ 11:52
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setitei dunno what kcontrol is11:52
fluffybunny_Kamping_Kaiser: hello11:52
after8setite> looooool dark magic11:52
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fluffybunny_anyone here using konversation?11:53
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`6o1not me sorry fluffybunny_11:53
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fluffybunny_all gaim users?11:54
setitexchat here11:54
setitebut xchat doens tso what i want11:54
setitei want one that smart auto identifies11:54
kakaltoI get annoyed with the gaim irc interface11:54
setiteor i need a way to delay my autojoin until after identifying...11:54
kakalto'cause it's too.... IM11:54
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setitebut i dont like scripts...11:54
setiteno one know how to edit stuff in kde?11:55
setitei need to configure my netgear ma11111:55
kakaltodid you try kcontrol?11:55
setitewhat is that11:55
setiteoh that thing11:55
setitegrrr.... but ok11:55
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nidanick reine11:56
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setiteok it wont go into admin mode...11:56
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setitedo i have to set a root password11:57
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fluffybunny_setite: what do you mean by smart auto identify?11:57
setiteill just sudo it.. duh... i feel stupid11:57
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GmpError C compiler cannot create executable11:57
setitefluffybunny_, xchat automatically sends the nick identify... and it doenst always work in time to join the chatroom... 11:57
fluffybunny_i autoidentify using konversation - works fine by me... (no problems btw identify, join)11:58
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fluffybunny_setite: ^^^11:58
ubotuwifi is probably https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WiFiHowto11:58
setitehow do i11:58
setitethe people in ubuntu wouldnt help me with konversation11:58
fluffybunny_i found that the gaim interface is very limited in the commands you can use11:58
setiteand that day this room was dead11:58
ndazzaGmp: did you get wine running?11:58
setitei agree about the gaim11:58
ndazzasetite: yeah they wouldn't...11:59
setiteif you require a minimal amount of apps then its ok... but thats all11:59
fluffybunny_setite: i can probably help with konversation... what help do you need?11:59
setitendazza, yes i get the k-haters in there11:59
ndazzaone day they will realise the power of the K11:59
fluffybunny_what is this schism between k and non-k?11:59
setitefluffybunny_, auto nickserv identifying so that when i auto join ubuntu it wont send me to ubuntu-unregged11:59
naliothi dont hate "k"12:00
Kamping_Kaisernalioth: niether, my name starts with it ;)12:00
setitenalioth some people in there reply " i wont use anythign with a k in front of it"12:00
Kamping_Kaiseri just dont like kde :)12:00
fluffybunny_setite: yep, konversation works great for that - i have only tried konversation and gaim (dunno what you are using), but I got it working in both12:00
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ndazzakopete is okay...12:00
fluffybunny_we should be like "i won't use anything with g in front"12:00
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naliothrox-filer, anyone?12:01
ndazzafluffybunny_: unfortunately that cuts out gtk, which lots of stuff depends on hehe12:01
mornfallnalioth: that's not open-minded that's pragmatic :)12:01
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fluffybunny_hmm, didn't think about that nalioth 12:01
setiteit only works if the server pauses during the logon12:01
ndazzai'm open-minded, as long as it's open-source12:01
naliothsetite: i can fix you up12:02
fluffybunny_setite: i can help you with gaim and konversation... never used xchat (sorry)12:02
naliothsetite: in your server settings, put your password in "server password" NOT nickserv password12:02
ndazzaand patent-free, trademarks aren't used aggressively and copyright is cared for.. not so much to ask!12:02
setitenalioth, for x?12:02
naliothsetite: x what?12:03
naliothsetite: you said you used xchat12:03
fluffybunny_in gaim: under Accounts, add your NickServ password (enclosed in <> so <yourpassword>) ==> that works for me12:03
fluffybunny_setite: ^^^12:03
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naliothsetite: ?12:05
setiteok that worked fine12:05
setiteok now onto working my wifi12:05
ubotuI guess wifi is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WiFiHowto12:05
fluffybunny_setite: in xchat?12:05
setitenah it konversation now12:05
setitei wasnt sure what nalioth meant when he was telling me about server password12:05
fluffybunny_konversation is kool - all the IRC commands work 12:06
setitebut i found the option for it in conversation12:06
setitedo they12:06
fluffybunny_like /hop #channelname etc etc12:06
setitewe'll test that12:06
setitedoes /server -m work12:06
naliothsetite: so you are fixed up now?12:06
fluffybunny_try it?12:06
setitenope it doesnt12:06
fluffybunny_what does it do?12:06
setitemust be a mIRC specific thing12:06
setiteit goes to server -m12:07
setiteon mirc it stands for multipe12:07
Gmpno wine not work12:07
setiteso you can join another server and stay connected to current one12:07
fluffybunny_sorry - must be mIRC... konversation at least supports more /commands than gaim though...12:07
setiteoh yea gaim is a joke12:07
Chousukeany of the /commands are just aliases.12:07
Kamping_Kaisergaim is a jack of all trades12:07
Kamping_Kaisermaster of none ;)12:07
Chousukeirc itself has only a few. 12:08
fluffybunny_setite: gaim is great for IM, not so great for IRC12:08
setitemaster of none.. exactl12:08
Chousukeirssi for the win!12:08
setitei think it finally transfers files over aim12:08
Kamping_Kaiseri use it for eveything12:08
setitewhen i used it on warty it didnt12:08
setiteirssi pfft12:08
fluffybunny_i like gaim for IM - mostly cause I can log in to all of my accounts (unlike, eg, yahoo, vs msn messenger)12:08
setiteim sorry but i have no need for irssi or vi or all that old school12:08
setitei use kopete12:08
Chousukedoes any other irc client have anything like recode?12:08
setitei like the customization of the chat12:08
mornfallirssi > *12:09
Chousukeirssi is customisable. :)12:09
Gmpgcc doesn't work12:09
setitei hate how the wikis are always for ubuntu/gnome12:09
setitethey need a kde version12:09
mornfallbecause ubuntu is a gnome distribution12:09
setiteim aware of that12:09
fluffybunny_ok, i take it all back about the commands in konversation (/hop doesn't work)12:10
setitemy point remains12:10
mornfallwhat did you expect then?12:10
ndazzafluffybunny_: try kopete12:10
naliothirssi is not "old school"12:10
setiteyay my ma111 is a prism12:10
Chousukefluffybunny_: which /hop? P12:10
setiteits text based is it not?12:10
fluffybunny_ndazza: what is kopete?12:10
ndazzakde's gaim12:10
naliothsetite: yes it is12:10
fluffybunny_Chousuke: /hop #kubuntu12:10
setitefluffybunny_: kde gaim type app12:10
Chousukeit can mean hallf-opiing something or leaving the channel and joining it.12:10
mornfallsetite: dude, people are using irssi on winders and osx...12:10
setitemsn, aim, yahoo, bla bla12:10
setiteit may not be old... but it is old school12:11
mornfallsetite: msn, jabber, icq here (on irssi)12:11
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setiteok the only thing i miss on gnome is the network app12:11
Chousukethe thing with irssi is that you can access it from anywhere.12:11
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Chousukeno gui client can do that.12:11
fluffybunny_setite: comes with kde by default?12:12
ndazzasetite: you can use it under kde i think12:12
setitefluffybunny_: yes12:12
mornfallChousuke: irssi 2 in theory can :)12:12
mornfallChousuke: not seen it in practice yet12:12
ndazzais irssi much different from centericq?12:12
fluffybunny_setite: run it from the CL: kopete?12:12
Chousukeirssi2 is not an irc client :P12:12
setitendazza: i just need to find something lik eit... dmesg shows my ma111 loaded...12:12
setitefluffybunny_: probably... also under the internet apps12:12
Chousukeit's a multi-protocol client proxy thingamajig12:12
ndazzasetite: i have no idea what that is!12:12
mornfallChousuke: well, i'm currently using irssi-proxy anyway :)12:12
setitendazza: usb wifi adaptor... i need to configure it... but im just gonna start with the ifconfigs12:13
fluffybunny_setite: i have xchat, gaim and konverstaion... no kopete12:13
ChousukeIrssi is THE irc client. ;/12:13
setiteyou should12:14
Chousukerecode only makes it vastly superior to any other. :)12:14
setiteit came with my kde default12:14
mornfallChousuke: recode is available in almost any irc client out there, eh?12:15
mornfall(definitely in konvi)12:15
ChousukeI haven't found it then12:15
ChousukeAnd I don't use KDE anyway. :/12:16
setitebrb.. maybe restarting x will help12:16
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setiteok still not working12:18
setitetime to check the forum12:18
ndazzasetite: forums should really be the first place you check :)12:19
ndazzawell, google then forums12:19
setitethey are the second...12:19
setitei check the wiki first12:19
ml--anyone experienced problems with nic broadcom bcm4401-b0 (not wireless)12:19
setitebut less and less as im starting to dislike it12:19
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ml--(in kubuntu 5.10 preview)12:20
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setitedude if i have to use ndiswrapper im going back to windoze... because someoen in ubuntu suggested this as a fully functional adapter12:25
GmpHow do i make gcc work12:25
fluffybunny_where are the forums?12:25
setiteubuntuforums dot org12:25
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serpieDoes Kubuntu automatically login as root!?12:35
serpieSo I will still need to type in su and pass to install something?12:36
naliothserpie: use "kdesu <command>" for kde stuff12:36
naliothserpie: use "sudo <command>" for console apps12:37
naliothserpie: using sudo on kde stuff can ravage your userspace12:37
naliothserpie: change your homedir permissions and such12:37
nalioth!tell serpie about root12:37
serpieOkay, thanks.12:38
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Gmpsomeone talk plz12:47
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fluffybunny_um, i saved something to my desktop (like I would normally in gnome), and its there in my ~/Desktop (if I browse there in konqueror) but I can't see it?12:48
fluffybunny_on the desktop, i mean ^^^12:48
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darkwaveSomeone already tried Kubuntu 5.10?12:49
darkwaveI have problems  with Java...12:50
Kamping_Kaiserfluffybunny_: has the desktop crashed? (konqueror is kdes equivilant to gnomes nautilus?)12:50
fluffybunny_Kamping_Kaiser: i don't think so? (you mean the nice background with icons and stuff? <--- no, its still there)12:50
Gmpgcc still doesn't work >:{12:50
Kamping_Kaiserfluffybunny_: bugger, that would have been a quick fix ;)12:51
fluffybunny_Kamping_Kaiser: i saved a tarball to the desktop (firefox) and the icon has not appeared. I've refreshed - no luck12:51
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Kamping_Kaiserfluffybunny_: has it 'hidden' behind another icon?12:53
Gmppress f512:53
fluffybunny_Kamping_Kaiser: nope12:54
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fluffybunny_Gmp: I've refreshed...12:55
icecya and thanks12:55
Gmpman iom browe12:56
Gmpman im broed12:56
fluffybunny_weirderer and weirderer12:56
fluffybunny_oh well... 12:57
fluffybunny_next question: how do I open a frame in konqueror to show folders (kind of like in WinXP)12:57
Gmpi dunno12:59
Kamping_Kaiserfluffybunny_: look for an option like 'tree view' or similar iirc01:00
fluffybunny_Kamping_Kaiser: is good, but not quite what I am looking for...01:01
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Kamping_Kaisermm ok..01:01
GuERoHi, When change the properties of source and color of the clock of the KDE bar is created a file clock_panelapplet_kubuntu_rc..  Single in that file keep the properties from the clock?  because I copy in /usr/share... kubuntu/..config/ so that it puts all the users equal who are created and he does not work, it remains with the clock by default without color neither special font nor nothing.01:02
othomasfluffy, open a new window and click "home"01:02
fluffybunny_aha! i got it --> show the "navigation bar"01:03
GuERowhen I can see de process make off "exec kdestart" ?01:04
after8fluffybunny_> hit F9 :)01:04
fluffybunny_after8: for what?01:05
fluffybunny_after8: which problem, i mean :)01:05
fluffybunny_after8: ah, the navigation panel --> thanks01:06
after8yep, hotkey :D01:06
fluffybunny_kde is so much prettier than gnome! i'm really glad I switched01:12
after8!start a desktop war01:12
ubotue is much better than xfce!01:12
after8i agree so much fluffybunny_ 01:13
naliothfluffybunny_: try enlightenment on breezy01:13
after8nalioth> really?01:13
naliothyes, enlightenment 0.17 aka e1701:13
nalioththe one everyone has been waiting for01:14
fluffybunny_nalioth: i haven't upgraded yet (not enough bandwith)01:14
fluffybunny_nalioth: does enlightenment come as default?01:14
naliothfluffybunny_: patience01:14
fluffybunny_nalioth: :)01:14
after8nalioth> like for years and years? cooooool01:15
naliothfluffybunny_: i dont have breezy on all my machines01:15
after8even i had heard of that one :D01:15
naliothfluffybunny_: and it's still very rough01:15
fluffybunny_after8: like for October 1001:15
fluffybunny_nalioth: as in, not quite stable?01:15
nalioth!info enlightenment breezy01:15
ubotuenlightenment: (The Enlightenment Window Manager), section universe/x11, is optional. Version: 1:0.16.6-3ubuntu2 (breezy), Packaged size: 436 kB, Installed size: 1160 kB01:15
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naliothfluffybunny_: as in rough around the edges01:15
naliothfluffybunny_: this is the 'report bugs' period01:15
fluffybunny_nalioth: ah01:16
fluffybunny_nalioth: i see01:16
naliothfluffybunny_: 100s of updates daily. some break things, some fix things, some break things that were fixed01:17
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after8lu spiral 01:19
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spiralafter8: :-)01:19
spiralcongratulations for the new kdm splash01:20
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after8breezy nice huh? :D01:21
spiralafter8: yeah, really :-)01:21
spiraleverything's doing fine for the moment01:22
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naliothexcept fluffybunny|AWAY has gone plumb loony01:23
after8totally :)01:23
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after8blowing in the breeze01:23
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tucozHi, I just updated my xorg and kde installation using synaptic. Now, I need to find out what resolution I am running at. How do I do this?01:25
tucozusing hoary01:25
naliothvisit a wallpaper site?01:26
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tucozHmm, that will not work01:26
spiraltucoz: hmmm, xdpyinfo in shell01:26
tucozIt just seems as if I am running at a lower resolution than before. But, I am not sure01:26
tucozspiral, thanks I'll try that01:27
tucoz...that is if I had that01:27
spiraltucoz: don't have the command xdpyinfo ?01:27
tucozi'll apt-get it01:27
othomasjust go into "adjust display" it will say current resolution01:27
tucozothomas, ok. Where do I find that?01:28
spiraltucoz: kcontrol01:28
tucozI found it. Hmm, it was the same resolution. Something happend to my fonts. They are _huge_ atm01:28
othomaskinfo center..X-Server01:29
spiraltucoz: have this problem with nvidia too...01:29
spiraltucoz: I had to decrease my fonts size in apps01:29
tucozspiral: yes, that is what I am doing right now. Wonder what happened. Anyway, thanks for the help spiral and othomas01:30
othomasur welcome01:30
spiraltucoz: 're welcome01:30
spiralgotta eat now... 'bye01:30
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`Nomadhi..   What's the feeling on upgrading to Breezy? 01:36
CaiN_SAits l33t01:36
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`NomadAnd I read it's better to do it from CD rather than through apt-get01:37
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CaiN_SAwell i use kde01:37
CaiN_SAand 01:37
CaiN_SAall is 120%01:37
`Nomadgood, I'll be considering it then :)01:39
Kamping_Kaisersame with this install, but my main desktop has had the odd issue :)01:39
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kakaltoyou know what? I need to return to kubuntu.01:41
kakaltoEver since I broke up with her, all has not been well.01:41
kakaltoSUSE is too skanky01:41
kakaltonot everything works01:41
kakaltoon kubuntu, everything worked, granted, with a bit of messing around01:41
nikkiakakalto: don't anthropromorphize distributions, they don't like it01:42
kakaltoI dunno what that means, but sorry?01:42
nikkiakakalto: anthropromorphize - the act of treating an inanimate object as a living creature01:43
kakaltooh right01:43
nikkiaand its an old joke... 'don't anthropromorphize rocks, they don't like it'01:43
kakaltowho says they don't like it? have you ever asked them? :X01:43
Kamping_Kaiserlol. 01:43
nikkiasee, the second half of the sentance 'they don't like it' is anthropromorphizing the item in the first half of the sentance01:44
kakaltoI'm a little slow tonight, k guys?01:44
wildmanthey is also used for objects01:44
nikkia(inanimate objects, such as rocks or distributions, cannot 'like' or 'dislike' something, as that is an emotion, something inanimate objects don't have)01:44
kakaltoyeah :)01:45
nikkiawildman, its the 'like' that is the anthropromorphism01:45
wildmannikkia: yeah, gotcha01:45
kakaltoI am looking forward to kubuntu.01:45
wildmanBTW, just installed kubuntu5.04 here. I leave my machine on all day long, and I've noticed (now it's stopped) hard disk activity (intense activity) even when there wasn't anything (apparently) running. ideas?01:46
nikkiawildman, probably swapping01:46
wildman(FYI, it's 8:46AM here, so I just woke up, this happened during the night, or early morning)01:46
after8wildman> benchpressing and stopping from being bored?01:46
wildmanI was thinking more about some automatic check or something like that, any ideas?01:47
nikkiawildman, however, if the activity is just after you started using the machine, that is vaguely normal01:47
wildmanlike a cronjob running a script to check something01:47
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kakaltowildman, you'd get pretty bored just sitting there too, wouldn't ya?01:47
fluffybunny_nalioth: why did I go loony?01:47
nikkiawildman, it could be, but most of those run in the dark hours like 4am01:47
wildmannikkia: didn't power off my machine01:47
kakaltogotta do something to pass time :)01:47
naliothfluffybunny_: rapid nick changes are a sign01:47
nikkiawildman: no, i mean, if you come to a machine that has been idle for 3 hours, and wiggle the mouse, disk activity for a few seconds is normal01:48
wildmannikkia: well... maybe it did start at 4am, or 5, 6, 7 and just finished around 8AM :P01:48
fluffybunny_nalioth: sorry - I was experimenting with settings in konversation01:48
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wildmannikkia: didn't move anything, it was like that before I touched the keyboard/mouse01:48
nikkiawildman: see, when you're not using the machine, memory 'in use' will get paged out, and when you 'wake the machine/apps' up again, that memory will be paged back in again01:48
after8fluffybunny_> /nick fluffy_madProfessor     :D01:48
naliothfluffybunny_: rapid nick changes are also a sign of impending channel attack from that user (on some networks)(keep that in mind)01:48
wildmannikkia: I know, I know ;-) I'm not a noobie ;)01:49
fluffybunny_nalioth: omg, i feel like such a n00b01:49
nikkiawildman: its possible, the locate database gets updated on an anacron task, and that can take a few hours if you're unlucky01:49
wildmannikkia: this sounded to me a bit more like some auto-check... but I dunno which one01:49
wildmannikkia: oh, maybe it was that one, indeed... thx. I'll keep an eye anyway ;)01:49
fluffybunny_nalioth: i usually frequent channels like this, which have very little but text --> as opposed to, say #beginner in Undernet01:49
naliothfluffybunny_: we are all new users at something01:49
fluffybunny_nalioth: :)01:50
naliothfluffybunny_: i dont frequent anything but freenode01:50
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nikkiawildman: doing a ps -aux should indicate if 'find' is running anywhere, that'd be a sign that either the locate db is getting updated, or that one of the security checks (the permisions/dead-links check usually) is running01:50
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nikkiamorning apokryphos01:50
apokryphoswell, I only ever went in once, but still.01:50
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tizonhow can i update my kubuntu to Kubuntu Breezy Preview with apt?01:51
wildmannikkia: yeah, will run it next time, disk activity stoppped a few mins ago, when I "started using" the computer (maybe it's just coincidence)01:51
ubotuThe guide to upgrading to breezy (5.10) is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyUpgrade01:51
tizonok, thx01:51
apokryphostizon: you'll want to update to the latest breezy; check that link provided. You also don't need any more kubuntu.org links in your sources.list01:51
kakaltobut it's not released stable yet, is it?01:51
apokryphoskakalto: correct01:52
apokryphosYou could run into problems01:52
nikkiawildman, are you using beagle ?01:52
wildmanno that I know of :)01:52
wildmanKubuntu here, not Ubuntu, so little gnome stuff01:52
nikkiafair enough, just that can use lots of disk activity when the machine is idle, then stop when the machine isn't idle anymore01:52
nikkiawildman: beagle itself isn't gnome, just the main beagle UI is01:53
wildmannikkia: and appart from a few games, NVidia drivers, and DocBook/XML stuff, it's a fairly standard install01:53
nikkiabut yeah, beagle isn't a standard install, so you'd know if you'd installed, and were using, it01:53
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wildmanfabman@linuxbox64:~$ ps aux | grep beagle01:53
wildmanfabman   11912  0.0  0.1   5480   848 pts/2    S+   08:53   0:00 grep beagle01:53
wildmanlooks no beagle here01:54
after8for kubuntu.... when going breezy you install kubuntu-desktop and ubuntu-base?01:54
wildmanI'll just keep an eye on such 'strange' activities. thx nikkia.01:54
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naliothafter8: installing "kubuntu-desktop" is sufficient01:54
apokryphosafter8: no, just change your sources, sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade01:54
nikkiawildman: maybe leave a task manager window open when you leave the machine tonight, then you might see what is consuming cpu/memory when you come back to it ?01:54
apokryphosafter8: but make sure you have kubuntu-desktop installed before you dist-upgrade.01:54
apokryphosafter8: well, before you change your sources, that is.01:55
wildmannikkia: good idea. thx.01:55
after8normally it was, cos it was kubuntu iso i installed with.01:55
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nikkiawildman: (ctrl-escape to open a KDE task manager, if you're not aware of the keyboard shortcut (a surprising number of non-newbies aren't)01:55
after8thx all...01:55
apokryphosno problem01:56
wildmanthe only process eating my cpu is seti@home, which does very little I/O01:56
nikkiawildman: hmmm, but seti DOES use memory, it could have been paging due to seti01:57
wildman512MB RAM were always more than enough nikkia ....01:57
nikkiaand seti would fit the 'it stopped when i started using the machine' profile01:57
wildmanif that was the pb, I'm going back to Mandriva in less than 1 minute ;)01:57
after8i have a qu...  i have 512 mb sdram and 1Gb swap...... sysmonitor shows i barely ever use any swap... 01:58
nikkiaafter8, congrats :)01:58
after8did i give it too much swap?01:58
nikkiaafter8, not unless you are short of disk space elsewhere01:58
after8hehe ok...01:59
nikkiahaving 'too much' swap, up to a point, is harmless, its a nice safety net in case you ever need it tho01:59
after8same on laptop... 256 Mb & 620mb swap, only ever uses 6% max01:59
nikkiaotoh, my memory usage is: 744MB of 1GB physical memory used, 910MB of 2GB swap used01:59
wildmannikkia: you do stress your machine :)01:59
nikkiawildman: i do, yes02:00
after8whats the command again?02:00
after8for mem free?02:00
Kamping_Kaisermmm. i can operate for several weeks at a time without hitting my 512 mb of ram, let alone swap02:00
wildmanfree IIRC02:00
after8free yeah...02:00
Kamping_Kaiser(but then i hit swap and crash ;O)02:01
after8like when i asked for the uptime one.. uptime :D02:01
wildmanafter8: well... asking for the copy or move one would have had a different effect ;)02:01
after8true :D02:01
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apokryphosnikkia: have you tried katapult? What do you think of it?02:02
apokryphosthoreauputic: hola02:02
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thoreauputichi :)02:03
nikkiaapokryphos: no02:03
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apokryphosthoreauputic: how you doin'?02:03
apokryphosnikkia: you should try it out; pretty cool.02:03
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thoreauputicnot bad... :)02:03
pedri2which package to i need to install to have zlib02:03
apokryphoscool =)02:03
nalioththoreauputic has been directing traffic in the ubuntu triangle02:04
pedri2i already did apt-get install zlibc 02:04
nalioth_zZznight fellas02:05
thoreauputicand summarily kicked a guy who was sending spam /msg es on join to #ubuntu02:05
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apokryphospedri2: you'd probably need the dev files, if you need it for compiling or something02:05
apokryphosnalioth_zZz: 'night02:05
thoreauputicapokryphos: #ubuntu is currently +r , so there are confused people in #ubuntu-unregged02:06
aftertafnight nalioth_zZz 02:06
apokryphosthoreauputic: more spambots?02:06
thoreauputicnight nalioth_zZz 02:06
thoreauputicapokryphos: sadly, yes02:06
apokryphosand I was just saying to nalioth that yesterday was relatively quiet, and we had it off.02:06
aftertafhmmm. no replies02:07
apokryphoswe should say anyone stuck /j #kubuntu :P02:08
aftertaftrue :D02:08
pedri2apokryphos: indeed, i just installed the dev files and worked02:08
nikkiaapokryphos: btw, another bulldog DSL modem arrived this morning02:08
nikkiaapokryphos: tiny little package small enough to fit thru the letterbox!02:09
apokryphosnikkia: so far I've killed IRC twice by pressing close -- so used to the old behavior. Counting down till it happens again 8)02:09
apokryphosnikkia: oh, how come?02:09
apokryphosThe other one was working out, no?02:09
apokryphospedri2: good to hear :)02:09
thoreauputicapokryphos: or #proselytisers *grin*02:09
nikkiaapokryphos: yeah, i dunno, i just got an email telling me that they'd sent me another modem *shrug*02:09
aftertafdecided to get my modem binned too.....02:09
aftertafgoodbye usb, hello bewan ethernet02:10
apokryphosnikkia: more complimentary gifts. Watch out -- they're on to you.02:10
nikkiaapokryphos: as a result, i now have 3 DSL modems :O02:11
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aftertafnikkia> where u live?? :D02:11
apokryphosnikkia: you using the new one at all?02:11
nikkiaapokryphos: not planning on it02:11
nikkiaapokryphos: haven't even opened the box, in case i need to send it back (if they charge me again)02:12
nikkiaas i said, its a tiny little box, about the size of a DVD case02:12
nikkiathere's not even room in the box for a UK power plug, which is kind of confusing02:13
wildmanbye, bbl02:13
nikkiaoh i see, its not even the modem i requested when i joined, it appears to be USB-only, probably USB powered02:14
apokryphosnikkia: what make is it?02:14
nikkiaapokryphos: alcatel, speedtouch 33002:14
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apokryphosLooks exactly like my old one, but ours wasn't that small, certainly.02:15
nikkiaafterat, the speedtouch 330 is the manta-ray :)02:15
apokryphoswell, and it wasn't usb-only too of course.02:15
apokryphosjust similar alcatel design02:16
nikkiaapokryphos: even if my actiontec busybox modem dies, i'd probably pick up the zoom ethernet modem before even contemplating the USB one :)02:16
nalioth_zZznikkia: you probably drop the whole pkg in a bucket of water and it inflates to operating size02:16
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vern401good morning02:29
kakaltodid anyone ever notice...02:30
kakaltothat if you click "no" to "did this help?" on any m$ website page, it comes up with "sorry, there's a problem with your answer"02:31
kakaltoor basically the same02:31
Kamping_Kaiserlol. never tried02:31
Kamping_Kaiserbut thats funn02:32
kakaltoI always click "no", whenever I stumble across the m$ website, for one reason or another02:32
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kakaltobut they haven't fixed it for months02:32
Kamping_Kaiserhave you tried 'yes'?02:33
kakaltoof course not02:33
kakaltoI wouldn't lie02:33
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Kamping_Kaisergive it a shot, ill work ;002:33
kakaltoM$ have never helped me02:33
thoreauputickakalto: they meant for the "no" answer to ask you "Are you *sure* ? " ;-)02:34
kakaltoyou'd think atleast the "yes" answer would work, but no02:34
kakalto"experiencing technical difficulties"02:35
kakaltohttp://www.microsoft.com/athome/security/children/kidtalk.mspx <--- |_075 0|= |_4|=|=5!!1!!1oneone!!02:35
ChousukeMS makes crappy software.02:35
Kamping_Kaiserkakalto: yeh, love it :)02:36
thoreauputic"Sorry, but we don't take no for an answer, especially since you aren't running IE and seem to be using a linux box"02:36
Chousukekakalto: You have offended my eyes.02:36
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kakaltoChousuke, the link should help. LOL02:37
kakaltothoreauputic, sounds like the error it meant to give, but was so buggy it couldn't give the right error :P02:37
Chousukeit starts with www.microsoft.com02:38
Chousukethus it's not capable of being useful to me.02:38
kakaltoChousuke, wise, you are02:38
thoreauputickakalto: indeed :P02:38
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kakaltobut it's lots of laffs to look at M$ site once in a while02:38
kakaltoI remember one time it was hacked02:39
kakaltoand for a few days, it sat with some chinese hacker's message o02:39
ChousukeThough If I ever get myself that crappy windows box like I've been intending to, then it's likely I will have some use for MS's site.02:39
Kamping_Kaiserwtf? its been hacked?02:39
kakaltono, it was, a few years ago02:40
kakaltoI was just recalling02:40
kakaltogood times :)02:40
Kamping_Kaiseri thought it was one of the few unhacked IIS boxes :o02:40
Riddellmornfall: did you package amarok 1.3 for breezy?02:40
Kamping_Kaisernice to hear its not ;)02:40
mornfallRiddell: oh, uh, well, yes... don't shoot me02:41
mornfallRiddell: the guy was begging :p02:41
kakaltoI need three things. kubuntu 5.10. Sleep. and gentoo02:41
kakaltooh, and time02:42
kakaltoanyways, I think I'll satisfy the second of what I need02:42
Kamping_Kaiserour 4 main weapons are.... ;)02:43
Kamping_Kaiserlater kakalto :) have a good one02:43
kakaltoyou too ;)02:43
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aftertafLeet words of concern or indicating possible illegal activity: pwn   lol m$02:44
Chousukeomg lol m$ pwned.02:45
apokryphosmornfall: but it's not in yet?02:46
aftertafapokryphos> seems not.02:47
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eazel7hi ppl02:48
eazel7will breezy have kde3.5?02:49
eazel7or that will be past-breezy?02:49
Kamping_Kaiserpast breezy02:49
eazel7hello apokryphos 02:49
apokryphosNope, but a repository with it will be released as soon as it's out02:49
eazel7apokryphos: nice nickname02:49
apokryphosthanks :). no worries02:50
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vern401when I activate the wireless console I get an unsupported platform error02:51
vern401can anyone help point me in the right direction to fix it?02:51
pedri2is there a way to store my kde settings and preferences in a compressed file?02:55
mornfallamarok 1.3 is a clear backport, not intended for upload02:59
mornfallanyway, am off02:59
mornfallbye till monday02:59
Kamping_Kaiserlater mornfall02:59
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_antonio A quien preguntar sobre un fallo en kcontrol ?????03:14
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apokryphos_antonio: #kubuntu-es03:16
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_davidanyone there?03:33
Kamping_Kaisernot a lot03:33
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DocTomoeCan someone tell me which kubuntu-breezy package contains the audiocd-KIOSlave?04:00
apokryphosDocTomoe: kdemultimedia-kio-plugins probably04:03
JReyes it's that one04:03
ndazzadpkg -S /usr/lib/kde3/kio_audiocd.so04:04
ndazzakdemultimedia-kio-plugins: /usr/lib/kde3/kio_audiocd.so04:04
DocTomoemerci ... 04:06
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jjessemornfall: can i just say that adept looks a lot better and works nicer then the alpha i installed and ran04:44
jjessemornfall: its a sweet program04:44
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othomashi all05:09
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othomashow are you Kaiser?05:10
Kamping_Kaisernot bad. yourself?05:11
Kamping_Kaiseryou just got up? 05:11
othomasgood ty05:11
othomasgot up at 3am05:11
Kamping_Kaiserlol. worse then me05:11
Kamping_Kaisermind you , thats not today :)05:11
othomasit's 11 am here now05:11
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Kamping_Kaiserits 00:40~ here now ;)(05:13
othomasahhh ur on nitelite saving time eh?05:14
othomassorry, had to do it..:))05:14
othomasjust sitting here deciding if I should continue to customize Hoary to want I want or upgrade to breezy..:()05:17
Kamping_Kaiserits almost here :)05:18
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othomasyep..maybe just sit here and wait for the release..lol..decisions; decisions05:19
Kamping_Kaiserim running breezy, so i keep all my customisations :)05:20
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othomasif you don't format does breezy keep a lot of your changes to hoary?05:21
Kamping_Kaisershould keep almost all, if not all05:22
draschothomas: yep05:22
Kamping_Kaisersome things might change because the software changes (like OO.o1.3 and OO.o2)05:22
honhave you guys ever uploaded anything to kde-look? do you know how can I upload two files to be downloaded?05:22
othomassmile..guess i'll take the plunge..thanks K_K and drasch05:23
Kamping_Kaiserthats ok othomas :) good luck05:23
Kamping_Kaiserhon, sorry, i havent used it05:23
honanybody else?05:24
othomassorry, no joy here hon05:24
nikkiaKamping_Kaiser: is OOo v2 likely to be done in time ?05:24
nikkiaKamping_Kaiser: or are we just talking about one optional v2 beta vs another optional v2 beta ?05:24
othomasnikkia: good question05:25
Kamping_Kaisernikkia: breezy uses openoffice2 beta05:25
Kamping_Kaiserlabled as openoffice205:25
Kamping_Kaiserit replaces openoffice as part of the upgrade05:25
nikkiaKamping_Kaiser: urgh, bad practice :)05:25
Kamping_Kaiser(as long as you have the ubuntu/kubutu-desktop meta package installed)05:26
nikkianow, i use a v2 beta, but i wouldn't like to tell anyone its stable enough to rely on :)05:26
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Kamping_Kaiser:) i dont use it because its openoffice, but i dont recomend it either :)05:27
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Abdul_MueidHello everyone!05:29
othomashi Abdul05:29
foodcomanGood morning all.05:29
Abdul_Mueidhow are you othomas and foodcoman?05:29
othomashi Foodcoman05:29
foodcomanPutting the first cup of coffee down.05:29
othomasgood tnx Abdul05:30
foodcomanLO othomas 05:30
Abdul_MueidI am kind of new to Kubuntu, just wanted to ask some basic Q's. Anyone willing?05:30
Kamping_Kaiserhi Abdul_Mueid05:30
foodcomanBreezy has a few issues, but I like it compaired to hoary.05:30
Abdul_Mueidhello Kamping_Kaiser05:30
Abdul_MueidI have Hoary at the moment05:31
Kamping_KaiserAbdul_Mueid: ask away, and you might get a responce :)05:31
Abdul_Mueiddidn't download breezy05:31
othomasi am just decideing to make the upgrade as we speak05:31
Abdul_Mueidfirst of all, If I want to add KDE to my already installed Ubuntu Hoary using apt, how many megs is it?05:31
foodcomanI did a fresh install this morning.05:31
foodcomanI had enough Junk in hoary thought it was wise to start fresh.05:32
Kamping_KaiserAbdul_Mueid: a couple of hundred05:32
foodcomanAbdul_Mueid: I havent a clue, but fairly large.05:32
othomasAbdul: I don't know, but I am a KDE fan sp it's worth it05:32
Abdul_Mueidor less?05:32
Kamping_Kaiserless. much less05:33
Abdul_MueidI am living in Africa and my bandwidth is very limited :(05:33
Abdul_MueidI recieved my Ubuntu Hoary CDs this morning05:33
Kamping_Kaiser:/ i live an australia and my bandwidth is limited05:33
Kamping_Kaiserand wd on the cds :)05:33
foodcomanI have comcast and it smokes!  =/05:34
Abdul_MueidCDs were supposed to come about 2 months ago, bad corrier service here05:34
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othomasi live in US and disk space is limited05:34
Abdul_Mueidothomas: that's still OK05:34
Kamping_Kaiserothomas: dont belive you ;P05:34
Abdul_MueidCan I use regular .deb packages to install apps for KDE? eg. I get something off freshmeat or sourceforge05:35
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foodcomanAbdul_Mueid: Yes05:35
othomashahaha foodco05:36
Abdul_MueidCoz right now I am backing up the data on my other PC as I type05:36
Kamping_KaiserAbdul_Mueid: most of them will be fine05:36
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Kamping_Kaisersome will not be happy . just so you know05:36
Abdul_MueidCan I install KDE packages over Ubuntu Hoary with Kubuntu CD?05:37
Abdul_Mueidso I dont download05:37
Kamping_Kaiseri *expect* so. 05:37
othomasi installed KDE onto hoary..works fine05:38
Abdul_Mueidso, if I add the Kubuntu CD to synaptic sources and apt it, technically it should work, right?05:38
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Abdul_Mueidothomas: did u install off a kubuntu CD?05:38
Kamping_Kaiserothomas: from cd?05:38
othomasi installed useing apt-get05:38
Kamping_Kaiserfrom the internet?05:38
othomasKDE and KDM05:39
Abdul_MueidI am willing to format more than once... I think i will give it a shot05:39
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Kamping_KaiserAbdul_Mueid: i expect you can from the cd. use 'sudo apt-cdrom' to add the cd to your sources, then 'sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop'05:39
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Kamping_Kaisergood luck mate. ill see you around05:40
Abdul_Mueidi'll definately share the results05:40
othomassleep? K_K05:40
foodcomanOnly if they are good!   ;-)05:40
Kamping_Kaiserothomas: its 1.10 am here05:40
Abdul_MueidGood Night05:41
Kamping_Kaisernight foodcoman :)05:41
Abdul_MueidSleep Tight05:41
Abdul_MueidTake Care05:41
Kamping_Kaiserwilll do . later all05:41
foodcomanCup (2) Coffee run!  brb05:41
Abdul_Mueidothomas and foodcoman: do u think Ubuntu will grab KDE packages off Kubuntu CD?05:41
othomasyes it will05:42
Abdul_Mueidalright, I guess I am all inspired now :D05:42
othomasme3 Abdul05:42
Abdul_Mueid35 minutes to burn 4.7G DVD at 4x05:43
Abdul_Mueidthat's slow05:43
honI just put a kubuntu wall on kde-look. can someone check one of the links (the sencond, third or fourth) to see if it is broken or not?05:43
othomasi have had the kubuntu install disk for days kicking it around..:)05:43
Abdul_Mueiddo u think shipit will have kubuntu soon?05:43
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othomashon:appears to be working05:44
Abdul_Mueidyep, works05:44
othomasur welcome05:44
othomasdon't know about shipping..is odd they stopped orders even05:45
Abdul_MueidHave you heard of Freedom Toaster?05:45
foodcomanVery nice subtle map of the conti.... with a swoosh over the Logo!  Very nice!05:45
othomashope she saw that foodcoman05:46
othomasabdul: no sure haven't05:46
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opwhich one is better to use kontact or thunderbird for email as far as security and features05:46
foodcomanI dont think as quick as he dropped.  I tried.05:46
othomas :)05:47
othomasop: no idea05:47
thoreauputicop: matter of personal taste really05:47
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opso there are no other issues with one being better than the other that i should be concerned about?05:48
foodcomanI wonder how many gigs I will have pulled with apt to keep breezy updated till the Gold release?  (Tons)05:48
othomasop: not that i know of05:48
thoreauputicop: mail apps in linux are all pretty secure05:48
othomasLOL foodcoman05:48
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thoreauputicop: and "better" is subjective05:48
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Head_Fianybody knows about acpi and powernowd?05:49
othomashi HeadF105:49
Head_FiI like to ask you a few questions05:49
foodcomanOp:  I noticed I could paste from klipper (Screenshots) directly into Kontact with a filename, but not Tbird.05:49
opsweet thanks also i used this nice little script to mount my ntfs harddrives but they are all read only is there a way i can change that so i can keep adding stuff to them05:49
opas you can see i am completly new at this05:49
=== foodcoman is a newbie also.
thoreauputicop: ntfs is read only in linuxthank the folks at MS for keeping specs secret)05:50
opdammit so is there a way i can convert them to somthing else?05:50
foodcomanI saw on Slash.... a company has a R/W product now that works well.05:50
Head_Fiwell anybody willing to answer a couple of questions about powernowd and cpufreq modules?05:50
thoreauputicop: there is an experimental thing called "captive" for writing to ntfs, but risky05:51
opmmmm don't like those odds i have like 200 gigs of stuff on here and 100gigs left i dont want to loose that05:51
thoreauputicop: most people make a shared partition with vfat to share stuff with windows XP etc05:51
othomasHead_F1: sorry not real familiar with those modules05:52
Head_Fiits just that Id like to run a different daemon than powernowd05:52
Head_Fibecause Id just want my laptop to run at the lowest freq available when on battery05:52
Head_Finot dynamic05:53
othomasoic what you want..but can't help there05:53
Head_Fianyone here knows about this subject?05:54
foodcomanNTFS for Linux from Paragon.05:54
othomasF1: did you check the laptops settup? Does it offer power conserve settings?05:54
foodcomanCorrection the article about the NTFS for Linux was from Eweek!05:54
Head_Fiwell the issue is with the powernowd daemon05:54
Head_Fiif its running just theres no way u can avoid it switching to a higher freq 05:55
Head_Fibecause it does it automatically05:55
Head_FiI could use another daemon05:55
Head_Fibut the problem is that in ubuntu powernowd is the default and it has some scripts that load the kernel modules necessary to run any other daemons05:55
Head_Fiknow what I mean?05:56
foodcomanhttp://www.ntfs-linux.com/  Not Open Source.05:56
othomasi get it..you might do a search and see if someone has fixed that05:56
Head_Fiso if I disable powernowd these modules arent loaded05:56
Head_Fiwell Ive been doing that on ubuntuforums, google and such05:56
Head_Fibut just everybody seems to like the dynamic frequency scaling05:56
othomasFi: <smile> ur the one in the crowd eh?05:57
Head_Fihehe looks like so05:57
Head_Fithe thing is that there are ubuntu packages with the other daemons05:57
Head_Fibut I dont know if they include also their own scripts to load the neccesary modules05:58
Abdul_Mueidi'm back, Nature calls u know :P05:58
othomaswb Abdul05:58
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foodcomanWow, but have been a long call!   =D05:58
Abdul_Mueidyeah :P05:58
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Abdul_Mueidothomas: Freedom Toaster is an Opensource kiosk where u insert your blank CD/DVD and choose an opensource distro or software to burn on the CD05:59
othomasFi: sorry I can't help..did you try searching apt-get for a diff module?05:59
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othomasty Abdul05:59
Head_Fiwhat that othomas?06:00
foodcomanHas anyone tried the ntfstools package, and can speak to the reliability?06:00
Abdul_MueidI will be checking one out when I go to South Africa... that's where you find them the most06:00
dechHmm this isnt really kubuntu related but anyone know anything much about rescuing routers from failed firmware updates ? >_<06:00
Head_FiI come from mandrake and Im not really familiar with apt06:00
Head_FiI used urpmi06:00
Head_Fibut I think I like apt better06:00
Head_Fijust seems more clever06:01
Abdul_Mueidsure it does06:01
othomasok, apt has a search function..06:01
foodcomanGo get em othomas!06:01
othomasit searches ubuntu file repositories06:01
Head_Fiapt-get search maybe lol06:03
foodcomanhttp://kudos.berlios.de/kf/kisimlar/swmgmt.html#swmgmt  pkg mgmt for dummies.  I use it.  =)06:03
othomasare you running X?06:03
thoreauputicapt-cache search <--- is the search command06:04
othomasty thoreauputic06:04
Head_Fiyeah there are both packages06:05
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Head_Ficpufreqd and cpudyn06:05
othomasFi: pick one...lol06:05
Head_Fibut I still dont know if these load their own needed kernel modules at startup also06:05
Head_FiI mean if they have scripts to do so06:05
Head_Fiwhich is what Im trying to findo out on google now06:05
othomasFi: no idea here..:(06:05
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Head_Fiok Im on the track anyway06:06
Head_Fiappart from that stuff (I reckon its a lil picky on my side)06:06
othomas*crowd applauds!!06:06
Head_Fiand acpi suspend problems06:06
othomasnp Fi06:06
foodcomanothomas: Pick one for me, mean looser!  Murphy's law is hard at work in my life.06:06
Head_Fithe rest of the distribution works flawlessly06:06
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Head_FiI couldnt get my laptop to resume from suspend with mandrake either06:07
foodcomanAnyone know what the peek nick # has been in the channel?  100?06:07
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Head_Fibut now with kubuntu at least I can hibernate it06:07
othomasfoodcoman:same here..has been my buddy for 10 years now, didn't know you knew him..<grin>06:07
othomasno idea foodco06:08
foodcomanI am going to sit here all day to see if it breaks 101 nicks in the channel.06:09
othomas*OT thought foodco was gonna tell us06:09
nikkiamost nicks i've seen on irc....06:09
foodcomanlo nikkia!06:10
nikkiawas the day the G5 was released, and macosrumors had their irc up and running, 1200+ people in one channel06:10
laszlokhow do you stop kde from opening media:/hdc when a cd is inserted?06:10
foodcomanWow, much lag?06:10
nikkiafoodcoman: lots of it06:10
foodcomanHrmm rumors = popularity.............06:11
othomaslaszlok: no idea, let me know when you have an answer06:11
nikkiafoodcoman: i think by the time the announcements were made, it was lagging by about 5 minutes :)06:11
nikkiathe worst LAG i've seen, however, dates back to the days when ircd's didn't do active ping/pong checks06:11
foodcomanDid you guys hear whats up with foodcoman??????06:11
nikkiaand you could get disconnected, and not timeout for ages, some days, back then, you'd see people lag by 3-4 hours06:11
othomas:othomas hates lag06:12
nikkiait didn't help, ofc ourse, that some people were on irc with really poor connections, 9600 baud and so on06:12
foodcomanIm an former EFnet boy... Left it behind, had nice bouncers, and little lag back in the day.... Avoid like the plague now.06:13
othomasheck i went years at 1200 baud cuz phone lines wouldn't do 240006:13
nikkiafoodcoman: yeah, this was efnet, but efnet in the old days before the (first) split of the net06:13
nikkiaie, 1993ish06:13
othomasheck nikkia: you must know about bbs's..lol06:14
foodcomanI was in around 98 - 0106:14
nikkiafoodcoman: that was after the first round of efnet splits, i think06:14
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nikkiacan't remember if the efnet->efnet+ircnet  or efnet->efnet+newnet was the first major split, although of course, there was a year or two where efnet was split into efnet(us) and efnet(eu)06:15
foodcomanAnyone here go back far enough to play on a TRS-80 Model 1 with Cassette Tape and 300 baud?06:17
foodcomanI used to play an ASCII startrek game.  It was so good I would play it today.06:18
othomaslol, it was good06:18
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nikkiafoodcoman: not the one in bsdgames is it ?06:19
_robwhat is the deb source I need for adept?06:19
foodcomanDont know _rob !!!!06:19
_robI tried the Hoary one listed on the website, but it didn't work06:19
Abdul_Mueidothomas: Found a way to install KDE packages on top of Ubuntu with Kubuntu CD :D06:19
Abdul_Mueidsee this: http://www.mrbass.org/linux/ubuntu/06:19
foodcomanAll your bases are belong to us!06:20
othomaswb abdul..:)06:20
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nikkiafoodcoman: try the 'trek' game in bsdgames, it might be the game you're remembering06:21
foodcomannikkia: Awesome, I will check it out for sure.06:22
nikkiapersonally, i feel the best game in bsdgames, has to be 'sail'06:22
othomas_rob: is this the software analysis program you mean by Adept?06:22
Head_FiYEAH Im a dumbass06:23
Head_FiI figured it all06:23
Head_Fiabout the powernowd issue06:23
othomashi DuMB..:)06:23
foodcomanQuestion: Do you run apt-get  1) update 2) upgrade 3) dist-upgrade for normal update process or is this excessive?06:23
Head_FiI could explain if somebody is confused about it too06:23
_robothomas: I'm not sure what you mean.  What I think it is, is the KDE answer to Synaptic06:23
nikkiafoodcoman: for normal process, 1 and 206:23
_rootHi. I've got a problem with the color depth in KDM/KDE after the latest x-server updates from Kubuntu ...06:24
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nikkiafoodcoman: 'update' updates the packages available list, 'upgrade' upgrades the packages you have that have newer versions (unless the distribution is marked as different, which is where 'dist-upgrade' comes in)06:24
othomas_rob: ohh ok..can't help you then..sorry06:24
foodcomannikkia: Gotcha!06:25
_rootdoes anyone know what I can do to set depth to 24 bit again ?06:26
Head_Fithanks for the help anyway fellas06:26
_rootI've already commented all lines out but the mode w/ 24 bit06:27
_rootand there's no error in Xorg.0..... 06:27
othomascya Fi06:28
_rootthe guys on ubuntuusers.de couldn't help me so far06:28
_rootgnome has the same problem06:29
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nikkiaroot, are you sure your video chipset supports 24bit ?06:32
nikkiaout of 24 and 32 bit options, some only support one or the other06:32
_rootbefore the update all worked fine06:33
nikkiatry 32bit anyway06:33
nikkiait might be the driver changed in the latest Xorg update06:33
_rootand this is what i tried before ...06:33
nikkiafailing that, check you're using the right driver in Xorg06:33
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_rootit's not working in 32 bit either06:34
nikkiathe update may have rolled you back to the vesa driver, for example06:34
_rootwhere can I check this ?06:34
nikkiaand the vesa code in recent video cards is often 'the bare minimum needed for old DOS games'06:34
nikkia_root, /etc/X11/xorg.conf06:34
_rootI'm using a laptop (HP) with S3 Savage ...06:34
nikkiaoh dear06:34
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_rootwell, it's working fine in windows and before the update in KDE ;)06:35
nikkiamy laptop has a S3 savage too, lousy drivers06:35
foodcomannikkia: That is the very game as best I can remember it. 7th or 8th grade, so thats 26-27 years ago... Ugh! talk about memory pain.06:35
_root3D support is missing but not necessary06:35
nikkiafoodcoman: yeah, that game is ancient, i suspect it was ported from a PDP version at that :)06:35
_rootI just want to have support for 24 bit (or 32 bit) again :) ;)06:35
othomasnikkia: yep it was on a PDP-1106:36
foodcomanYeah I dont know if the old CPM's had it, but I had all the fun on a Z-80!   =)06:36
nikkiaothomas: and i wouldn't be surprised if THAT was ported from a -8 :)06:36
othomaslol nikkia06:36
_rootVIA Technologies VT8605 ProSavage PM13306:36
_rootDriver = savage06:36
nikkiaothomas: istr that trek dates back to 1970 or so06:36
othomasit was around in email in 196806:37
_rootDefault depth is also set to 2406:37
nikkiayep, it was on a -8 originally06:38
nikkiacan't find a date for it tho, but looks like mid 60s06:38
_rootis it possibly to make all changes undone with apt-get ?06:39
foodcomanThats a true Classic.. Make my heart leap for joy...Those were some fun times.06:39
_rootso that I'd get the older packages06:39
nikkiawell, i say 'originally' i bet if you dig deeper it goes back almost as far as the pdp-1, though its certainly not as old as spacewar  :)06:39
othomas_root: i have done that; but; soemtimes the results are unexpected..06:40
_rootbad as now ;)06:40
othomas_root: that is due to the different version levels of the overall install06:41
_rooti think, I'm seeing all pictures with 16 bit now ...06:41
nikkiaothomas: most technically impressive 'old' game i've seen, was a defender clone on our VMS cluster, that used regis for graphics :)06:41
othomasnikkia: we must be from the same generation...LOL06:41
_rootso what can I do now to get more colors ? :(06:42
nikkia_root, buy a laptop with a decent video chipset :P06:42
_rooteverything worked so fine 'til Monday night06:42
_root:P :D06:42
nikkiaothomas: i have a S3 savage/IX, i know JUST how crappy it is06:42
nikkiaothomas: no amount of tweaking is going to make it 'decent' :)06:43
othomascorrect assesment06:43
_rootwell, but that's not changing the situation, that it worked before :D06:43
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othomas_root: have you done a lot of tweaking?06:43
foodcomanDefender Arcade version took much money from me.06:43
nikkia_root, you could try and change it to vesa06:43
_roothow do I do that ?06:44
nikkiai use my laptop with the vesa driver, as the savage driver causes screen corruption :)06:44
othomas_root: try reinstall and select the 32 bit option then06:44
_rootsorry, but I'm very new to that (again)06:44
nikkia_root, change the 'savage' in /etc/X11/xorg.conf to 'vesa'06:44
_rootlast time I used Slackware 1.xxx :D06:44
othomasnikkia: good idea..:)06:44
_rootmany things have changed06:44
nikkiavesa is quite a bit slower tho06:45
_rootthat's all ?06:45
nikkiabut then, the savage driver isn't much of a speed daemon either :)06:45
hussamcan somebody check for me if  http://fr.archive.ubuntu.com opens?06:45
nikkia_root, yes06:45
hussamin a browser windows06:45
_rootcool :)06:45
_rootdone, it's working (directors listing)06:45
_roots = y06:45
othomashussam: it opens to a directory06:46
thoreauputichussam: opens here too06:46
hussamit times out here06:46
nikkiaothomas: btw, when you said it was working in windows, what version?06:47
othomasit needs an index.html and then will have your page06:47
_rootwell, now I'm going to restart ...06:47
nikkiai've never been able to track down real XP drivers for my savage06:47
nikkia(as when via bought S3, the first thing they did, was killed the drivers download page, and the last driver for the /IX i have was for 2k)06:47
_rootIn windows xp it's working with 32 bit @ 1024x768 (32 MB shared memory)06:47
nikkia_root, not an /IX then ?06:48
othomassay, how do you talk private to someone..I know it's in the man pages, but think one of you could tell me quicker06:48
nikkiaothomas: /msg nickname message06:48
_rootyou should explain what I/X means :D06:48
nikkiaothomas: or /query nickname06:48
nikkiawhich will open a chat window to them (or some equivalent thereof if you're running a text mode client)06:49
nikkia_root: the 'S3 Savage' is a family of video chips06:49
nikkiathere is a 'S3 Savage/IX' a 'S3 Savage/MX' etc06:49
_rootProSavage PM133 says lspci06:49
nikkiathe /IX was the second savage released, i think (after the plain 'S3 Savage')06:50
nikkiaah, ProSavage is Via era S306:50
_rootdon't know more about that06:50
nikkiaie, somewhere after about 2000-200106:50
_rootwell, my laptop is ~ 2,5 y old06:50
nikkiain your case, its probably integrated into the Via PM133 chipset06:50
othomasS3 used to be the cat's meow of chips..06:50
nikkiaothomas: they did????06:50
nikkiaothomas: they've always sucked, just mention the Virge to any gamer :)06:51
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othomasgood lord Frank!06:52
nikkiaothomas: if you're not aware of how much of a reputation the S3 Virge had.... it was *slower* at h/w accelerated 3D, than using Software 3D, for Quake06:52
_rootwhat is the fastest why to restart x-server ?06:52
nikkia_root, ctrl-alt-backspace06:52
_rootthat I can see the changes made bevore06:52
_rootc u soon06:53
othomasdang it's raining here06:55
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othomaswb _root06:55
_rootback again ;)06:55
_rootwell, everything looks fine again :D06:55
ubotuothomas: I give up, what is it?06:55
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_rootanother stupid question: does vesa work with 32 bit, too ?06:56
nikkia_root, perhaps06:56
nikkia_root, depends on the vesa implementation in the video chip/card's rom06:57
othomas_root: and ur memory06:57
_rootso I've to change DefaultDepth to 32 and to add another Subsection of Display with Depth 32 ?06:57
nikkia_root: bear  in mind, tho, that 32bit will use a bit more ram, and be slower, because you're pretty much using software video routines completely with vesa06:57
nikkia(yes, i know, vesa accelerator architecture, but i don't think the S3 stuff supports it, so its not relevant :)06:58
_rootwell, 32 MB of memory will work fine I think - like Windows does ;)06:58
nikkiaroot, there is also, absolutely no difference in image quality06:58
_rootyes, for sure06:58
nikkiaas 24/32 just affects the byte packing in the frame buffer06:58
_rootbut I just want to test it06:58
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_rootthe windows drivers only support 16 and 32 bit06:59
othomaswe all nod and smile06:59
_rootonly the byte packing in the frame buffer ?06:59
_rootwell, I can easily see a difference between pictures with 16 and 24 bits ;)06:59
_rootone more test ...07:00
foodcomannikkia: Just sent a screenshot to the buddy that had the TRS-80 Model 1 that I first played the game on.  He is a windows person.  I love to rub their noses in Linux.07:01
othomas*glutton for punishment..lol..one of us07:01
othomashahaha foodcoman07:01
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nikkiafoodcoman: tbh, i'd be surprised if there isn't a windows version too07:02
nikkiaand trek should certainly be present on cygwin :)07:02
foodcomanYeah buy you/I found it first....  The 27 year flashback will be overwhelming!07:03
foodcomanbuy = but.07:03
othomas:i see a trek group in the future07:04
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othomas :) #kubuntu-trek07:04
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othomasyou two aren't seriously considering that!07:08
nikkiaroot, btw07:08
foodcomanNetwork version, OOOOooooo.07:08
_rootback again07:08
othomaswb root07:08
_rootwell, 32 bits are not working with vesa07:08
nikkiaroot, if you want to try a little harder to get accelerated savage stuff working, http://www.probo.com/timr/savage40.html has some good info07:08
_rootbut everything here is to slow to run 3D ;)07:08
nikkiadon't honestly know if there is anything there that'll enable 24/32 bit stuff if its not working, tho07:09
othomasyep root, always will be with your system07:09
nikkia_root, i really meant 'accelerated 2D'07:09
_roothmm, ok07:09
nikkiarunning 3d anything on a savage is an exercise in futility :)07:09
_rootI tried Doom 3 just for fun ;)07:09
othomas:not to mention frustration07:09
nikkia'current framerate, 1 frame per year'07:09
_rootit doesn't start :D07:10
nikkiayou can probably see each pixel being drawn :P07:10
othomasroot: doom 1 will work in single player mode..good as it gets07:10
_rootI've got 2 more problems07:10
nikkiaif i was buying a laptop today, i'd go out of my way to find something nvidia07:11
_rootbut they are not really important07:11
apokryphos_root: are you logged on as root?07:11
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_rootkubuntu has got a disable root accoutn07:11
apokryphosor running your irc client as root07:11
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_rootwhy do you think that ?07:12
othomasme me me..i get to format his disk07:12
_rootonly of the name root ?07:12
apokryphos_root: yes. Type a whois _root07:13
_rootroot as name is cool07:14
_rootdoes anyone know something about "pivot_root" directory not found" message from grub (?) ?07:15
_rootthere's no problem at all, but it's just saying that07:16
_rootand during boot, I got "setting up general console font" (fail)07:16
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othomaswell, gonna burn a CD..BBS..take care07:21
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_rootalt+print+s u b is working :D07:23
_rooteverybody gone ?07:27
foodcoman_root: Console font failed is because gdm is not display manager... Kubuntu Breezy is using KDM True?07:27
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_rooti'm using hoary07:29
_rootwith kdm07:29
_rootkdm is standard07:30
kingconfessorhas anyone been having problems with booting lately, I should say, after installing the recent updates?07:30
_rootnot with booting ...07:30
kingconfessormy pc boots and crashes midboot07:30
kingconfessori have to hard reboot, and then it usually completes booting07:30
kingconfessorand i've noticed sometimes my mouse will randomly stop working, its a microsoft optical, corded mouse07:31
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kingconfessorso then i have to navigate via keyboard, and usually i just reboot07:31
foodcomanMine has been clean with clean breezy installs.07:31
kingconfessori'm almost wondering if its a hardware failure, because when i boot windows, it sometimes freezes in the boot process, but then again, thats what m$ is good for07:32
_rootwhere does it freeze ?07:33
_rootduring the first MS logo ?07:33
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kingconfessorwell with ms, yeah, during the ms logo, as the status bar is moving back and forth, but sometimes it freezes before that07:33
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foodcomankingconfessor: Definately suspect behavior.07:34
kingconfessorwith kubuntu, it freezes as its going down the list, initializing services and such07:34
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lonewolffkingconfessor: does it always do it at the same serivce, or is it random?07:34
foodcomanThere was a recent Grub update within the last 2 days.07:35
kingconfessorit seems to be occuring at certain spots, as far as i can tell07:35
foodcomanSeems odd both OS's would hiccup.07:35
kingconfessorthats what i was thinking foodcoman07:35
_rootwell, sometimes my windows boot freezes to right after loading the logo07:35
_rootbut this must be grub, before grub there was no problem07:36
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kingconfessori don't know though, windows freezing doesn't make me a believer though, i mean thats standard M$ behavior07:37
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foodcomankingconfessor: What version of XP?07:37
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foodcomankingconfessor: What version of 2k?07:37
kingconfessori think maybe its the updates i've been downloading, because it was running fine until a few weeks ago when i dled some updates07:38
kingconfessorservice pack 1 i think07:38
lonewolffkingconfessor: do you know if one of them was a grub update?07:38
foodcomanThe HAL in XP is not that poor.07:38
kingconfessori'm not sure, can i check through synaptic?07:38
foodcomanUnless you are running some wild Hardware, you typically dont seem machine dying on XP boot unless they have had the OS rooted by Adware or Spyware of Virus.07:39
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kingconfessornone of that crap on my machine07:39
foodcomanNTFS is fairly solid.07:39
kingconfessorthe xp failure isn't very often07:39
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kingconfessorbut the kubuntu failure is every time i start my machine07:40
Noriegahow many CDs are kubuntu on?07:40
foodcomanRandom hangs on boot seem suspect to hardware I think if it spans 2 OS's.  But who knows.07:40
lonewolffNoriega: 1 disc07:40
kingconfessorgrub .95 + cvs2004062407:41
laser_tkNo, Windows is not a virus. Here's what viruses do:07:41
laser_tk   1. They replicate quickly - okay, Windows does that.07:41
laser_tk   2. Viruses use up valuable system resources, slowing down the system as they do so - okay, Windows does that.07:41
laser_tk   3. Viruses will, from time to time, trash your hard disk - okay, Windows does that too.07:41
laser_tk   4. Viruses are usually carried, unknown to the user, along with valuable programs and systems. Sigh... Windows does that, too.07:41
laser_tk   5. Viruses will occasionally make the user suspect their system is too slow (see 2) and the user will buy new hardware. Yup, that's with Windows, too.07:41
kingconfessori don't think thats the new grub07:41
laser_tkUntil now it seems Windows is a virus but there are fundamental differences:Viruses are well supported by their authors, are running on most systems, their program code is fast, compact and efficient and they tend to become more sophisticated as they mature. So Windows is not a virus. It's a bug.07:41
Noriegabut I can install it on its own, right? I don't need to install ubuntu first, then upgrade?07:41
foodcomanNoriega: Yes07:42
Noriegaat which part of the question? :)07:42
foodcomanKubuntu = Ubuntu Core with KDE (Not Gnome)07:42
kingconfessori don't think its a grub problem though, as it makes it past grub, but it fails as kubuntu is booting07:43
foodcomanYou can run both if you choose however.07:43
Noriegabut the difference between Gnome and KDE is mainly graphical, or?07:43
foodcomanNoriega: True07:43
NoriegaI see07:43
kingconfessori'm thinking i should just wait for the new official release, and delete partition then install the new release07:44
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kingconfessorits just really annoying, having my pc crash everytime i boot07:45
foodcomankingconfessor: Might have been a hiccup in a patch and your machine???07:45
kingconfessori think the hiccup is in some patch i recently downloaded07:45
foodcomanI did 2 fresh installs of Breezy preview and been Apt updating them.07:45
foodcomanVery minor issues.07:45
kingconfessordid you delete the old os and do a fresh install, or install right over the old?07:46
foodcoman2 seperate machines, with totaly seperate hardware specs.  1) 500mhz 2) 2.8 ghz.07:46
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kingconfessorare you using the i386 or i686 kernel07:47
foodcomankingconfessor: I booted the cd and had the Partition mangler replace the partions, I upgrade from EXT to reiser.07:47
Noriegaah, one more thing: if I have two hard drives, and I use one for Windows and one for Linux, can I gain access to the other hd's files?07:47
foodcomanSo I guess from scratch.  Got important stuff from ~07:47
ChousukeNoriega: yes.07:48
foodcomanNoriega: what Windows file system??07:48
Noriegabecause I read that Linux can read ntfs but not write07:48
Noriegaor at least someone told me07:48
foodcomanFat32 R/W,  NTFS Read only.07:48
foodcomanI am toooo slow.07:48
Noriegaand then there are a whole bunch of unix-only file systems?07:48
kingconfessorso if you want to file swap, make sure you create a fat partition07:48
foodcomanNoriega: yes07:48
foodcomanEXT3 and reiser are the common + a swap.07:49
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Noriegakingconfessor: a fat partition for windows to use?07:49
kingconfessorand linux07:49
kingconfessorlinux can read and write to fat07:49
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foodcomanIf you create at Fat32 you can get to files from both OS's07:50
foodcomanHowever install your linux to something else.  Linux will mount many partions.07:50
kingconfessorthats what i do noriega07:50
Noriegabut windows cannot read nor write the unix-only file systems?07:50
NoriegaI'm thinking of a dual boot, just to learn some more on how linux works07:51
kingconfessorthats what i do07:51
Noriegabut I couldn't remove windows because the rest of the family need it ;)07:51
Noriegaaha, so you have 2 partitions?07:51
kingconfessori use linux as much as i can, and then when i have to i switch back to windows07:51
foodcomanSame here Noriega 07:51
kingconfessori have numerous partitions07:51
kingconfessorseveral ntfs partitions07:51
kingconfessora fat3207:51
kingconfessorand then my linux and swap07:52
foodcomanNoriega: Backup07:52
foodcomanIts not important till its gone!07:52
kingconfessorif you care about anything you have, back it up before you play around07:52
Noriegaif I have one physical hd with data on it, do I need to format before I make a partition?07:53
kingconfessorwell you very helpful people, thanks for all assistance, i gotta get back to the books07:54
foodcomanReason, not necessarily the software install, but also human error.  when you start seeing HDA1 HDA2 and Blah blah, it can get confusing.07:54
kingconfessornoriega, linux can resize your windows partition, to make room for itself, so you don't have to neccisarily format07:55
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Noriegafoodcoman: yeah, afa I've understood, there is no such thing as c: d: etc in linux07:55
Noriegait's all /root07:56
othomasno sugar tonight in my coffee, no sugar in my tea..07:56
foodcomanKubuntu will mount most stuff under /media07:56
kingconfessorwell you can edit the fstab so that the partitions read as you want them to, ie c, d, g07:56
foodcomanYou can mount anywhere, but I think /media is the convention.07:56
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foodcomanMy usb key and stuff all populate there nicely.07:57
Noriegadamn, I need to learn this stuff ;)07:57
foodcomanalso one last think... http://kudos.berlios.de and like on the kubuntu faq.07:57
Noriegasure, I could read in books, but I'd learn it 100 times faster if I could use it.07:57
kingconfessordon't think i'm an expert noriega, i just started using linux a few months ago07:57
foodcomanGood noob reading.07:57
Noriegakingconfessor :)07:58
kingconfessorbut you learn as you go07:58
Noriegahope so07:58
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Noriegaoh, a faq07:58
Noriegaanyway, some guy recommended kubuntu07:58
kingconfessoryeah noriega, faqs are critical, then look through forums, and then hit people up07:58
Noriegakingconfessor: whom should I hit first? :)07:59
kingconfessorwell like you're doing, hitting the chat rooms, and stuff07:59
kingconfessorbut that should be your last resort07:59
Noriegayeah, forum searching is always good07:59
kingconfessorbecause a lot of the information is already out there for you07:59
kingconfessoryou just have to look for it07:59
Noriegawhatever problem I get, there's always someone else who has already gone through it08:00
kingconfessornot always, but yeah, usually08:00
Noriegaso, is kubuntu more n00b-friendly than ... Gentoo08:00
kingconfessorwell i gotta bounce, time to get back to homework08:00
Noriegaor debian or etc08:00
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othomasNoriega: Gentoo is a GRUNT to get going but a lot of ppl love it08:04
Noriegayeah, I've heard that you need to like to get annoyed if you want to install it ;)08:05
othomashahaha yup08:05
Noriegabut all these ubuntu, kubuntu, debian, mandrake etc etc are different configurations to the linux kernel (updated every now and then) which in its turn is based on unix.08:06
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Noriegaam I right so far?08:06
foodcomanThat description works for me.08:07
NoriegaI see08:07
Noriegawhoa, there's a live CD version of kubuntu!?08:07
othomasyeah ur right, the new debian release does not work on these old pc parts08:08
othomasyep there is08:08
Noriega"The live CD allows you to try Kubuntu without changing your computer at all." so it's like Knoppix?08:08
Noriegaboot cd08:08
foodcomanslow, but a good test drive.08:08
Noriegafar out, I'll download it right away :)08:08
othomasthe live CD worked fine but the install hangs on my puter08:09
foodcomanI like the concept, if you saved all your configuration on a usb key, you basically could take your limited OS with you anywhere, BootCD and USB Key.08:09
Noriegaothomas :/08:10
foodcomanThat is what Mandrake Move was trying to accomplish.08:10
Noriegafoodcoman: good idea, can it be done?08:10
foodcomanSure it can!08:10
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foodcomanOnce again......Slow and limitations.08:10
Noriegacan I mount my hd in it?08:10
Noriegabtw are there any good desktop publishing program for Linux?08:11
othomasactually, it is a great idea as long as your not into fine tuning to your taste08:11
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foodcomanTrue that othomas!08:11
NoriegaI saw one... PageStream08:11
foodcomanDo you need fancy or just advance Word processing?08:12
othomasewww fancy or advanced...LOL08:12
foodcomanKubuntu Live with come with OpenOffice 2 Beta.  Writer, Draw, Impression, Calc, blah suite.08:12
othomas*passes a cigar08:13
Noriegaprferably fancier ;)08:13
Noriegato make pdfs and whatnot08:13
foodcomanOOo will export to PDF, but may not have the bells you need.08:14
Noriegaand with more freedom for layout08:14
foodcomanMore freedom for layout = Nude beach.08:14
foodcomanbells = bling bling08:14
foodcomanFancy options.08:14
foodcomanAdvanced features08:14
othomasOMG..such filth on IRC!! shame!08:14
foodcomanI am drawing a picture like and artist.08:15
Noriegawhere are you guys from?08:15
othomasSC, US here08:15
foodcoman"Men are from Mars"08:15
NoriegaSC = South Carolina?08:16
Noriegahad any hurricane yet?08:16
othomaswomen from venus08:16
NoriegaSweden here08:16
othomasi used to live in oregon, what part foodco?08:16
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othomasahhh college town08:17
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libbenanyone knows in wich package the "Saab" font resides in?08:17
foodcomanI am only telling you this because I have payed for my crimes and am a lawful person now.08:17
othomassorry libbon, not me08:18
foodcomanNo clue here.08:18
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othomas!ALARM !ALARM!08:19
ubotuothomas: Do they come in packets of five?08:19
Noriegalibben: a font used by the car's commercials??08:19
Noriegathen it might be specially made for them, and it's not available for others08:20
foodcomanI saw a great commercial, I think VW... Suicide Bomber tried to blow up car and it just blows up inside car only!  Windows go black.08:21
libbenwell, 08:21
libbeni had a font earlier, thats named saab08:21
libbenand it was stylish,.08:21
Noriegafoodcoman: not red?08:21
libbeni installed two font packages at that time,.. one was msstcorefonts and the other i cant remember, it was a popular i think08:22
NoriegaI guess they lost terrorists as a consumer group then08:22
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foodcomanHere it is.08:23
othomaslibben: start here.. http://guca.sourceforge.net/typography/fonts/saab/08:23
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othomaswb _root08:23
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foodcomanWhat repo has the MS codecs?08:25
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libbenfoodcoman: enable all repos on synaptic08:31
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foodcomanlibben: You think breezy will have the line?08:32
johlinI have got a iso with my unattended windows xp sp2 installation cd. I've heard that instead of burning it, you can mount it, copy to a hd-parttition and then tell grub to boot from it. How would I do this?08:32
johlinI know how to mount an iso-image, but not the rest08:32
foodcomanI saw a website once on this.08:33
foodcomanmkisofs is one of the commands08:34
foodcomanI think then its a mount command after that.08:34
othomasi thought you just pushed "play"08:34
foodcomanGoogle with that info and you should get a hit.08:34
foodcomanmount iso mkisofs08:34
johlinyeah, I'll try08:34
johlinand after that, I think just copy it to the root of an emtpy partiton and then tell grub to boot from it08:35
johlinbut I'll tell you what google tells me08:35
othomasif you have an empty partition, why not install it?08:35
foodcomanSorry I dont have more.  Its been awhile since I read it.08:35
Noriegawell, I'll try the Kubuntu Live CD later then, bye!08:36
foodcomanI was looking at it from the crypto loopback aspect.08:36
johlinfirst hit tells me it's not possible, but I've read a thread on neowin somewhere that said it is indeed possible :-/08:36
othomasyes it is, but i don't remember how to do it..08:37
foodcomanOk, I gotta go get lunch for me and my boy!  Then I will get online from home.  1/2 day saweet.08:37
othomaslol, bye08:37
johlinthat is the thread by the way08:37
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othomasit doesn't open johlin08:40
johlinwhat doesn't open?08:40
othomasur web addy08:40
johlinthe link?08:41
johlinor what? sorry. what web addy?08:41
johlinwhat about that doesn't work?08:42
othomasit doesn't open when i click it08:42
johlintry copying and pasting, does that work?08:43
johlinothomas: if not, try this: http://tinyurl.com/a894708:44
othomasyep..:) that works08:44
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johlinwhat irc-client do you use?08:44
johlinthe link opens fine in Konversation08:44
othomasright now is X-chat08:44
libbenanyone has a deb file or place to get some homemade deb files that work? i need a deb file of the newest java. 1.5.0408:44
johlinisn't that on apt-get then?08:45
libbennot the newest.08:45
johlinupdated the list? added universe respository?08:45
othomasif you dl it from sun, you get a bin file..then make it executable and then type ./java***.bin and it installs, you need to be root when you do this08:46
laszlokdoes anyone have the newest firefox installed from apt-get?08:47
othomasi have 1.0608:48
johlinI have it too08:48
johlinanyone knows what qt to install to make firefox look good, as it does in gnome?08:48
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libbenmade this step, download the .bin file from java.sun.com, sudo apt-get install java-package, chmod +x [the .bin file] , fakeroot make-jpkg [the bin file] , sudo dpkg -i [the generated .deb file] 08:49
othomasgnome?.. lol08:49
othomasit looks the same in gnome or kde to me08:50
johlinok, could you please look in kynaptic, use the find-thing, type qt and tell me what qt-packages you have?08:50
johlinthat would be nice08:50
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libbenwhen i type java -version08:52
johlinor...othomas, sorry. I meant gtk08:52
libbeni get java version "1.4.2"08:52
johlinI think08:52
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laszlokactually the .bin just extracts to the current directory08:54
laszlokyou can install it in your home or in /usr/08:54
laszlokif you want it to be recognized as installed, you have to change /usr/bin/java to point to the new jre08:54
libbenim a noob08:55
libbenso im asking u how.08:55
libbenand i wanna know what i have on my system08:55
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othomas!OMG! it's beer time in Berlin!09:02
ubotuSyntax error in line 1, othomas09:02
othomas !OMG! it's beer time in Berlin!09:02
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othomashi gdh09:03
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othomashi kalen09:04
othomasanother great day..:)09:04
othomas :)09:06
laszlokjohlin: make firefox look like kde?09:06
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libbenlaszlok: ive installed my own made deb package.09:07
othomasgads, i hate that..lol09:07
libbenbut it still says 1.4.2 on java --version09:07
othomasi installed the sun package and it works fine09:08
laszlokjohlin: you can use a theme or the gtk-qt engine to make firefox look like a kde app09:08
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Tm_TI thought to buy Ubuntu-mug09:10
Tm_Tbut can't :/09:10
othomassorry TM09:11
libbenanyone has any help for me on the java thingy from my pastebin?09:12
laszloklibben: there is a symbolic link pointing to java 1.4.2 in /etc/alternatives09:14
laszlokwhen you type java -version09:14
laszlokit goes to /usr/bin/java which links to /etc/alternatives/java which links to /usr/lib/j2se/1.409:14
othomaslibben: http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.5.0/download.jsp09:15
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libbenjre-1_5_0_04-linux-i586.bin othomas allready downloaded this bin and made a deb of it with fakeroot and make-jpkg09:16
libbenlaszlok: how can i deinstall the j2se/1.4 ?09:16
othomasno quotes thought09:18
libbenno quotes ?09:19
libbeni have the folder09:19
libbenbut why does java-version says 1.4.2 ?09:19
libbenwhere is this existing and how can i remove it and get the new java in09:19
othomasjust do the new one, it will remove the old one..09:20
othomasforget makeing it a deb package09:20
libbenhmm... i get some errors in the beggining when im doing the deb file from a bin file. can be that... anyone has a good deb file?09:21
othomasforget that..just do the make executable and then do the ./<filename> thing09:22
libbenwell, problem is i dont know that step =)09:23
othomasok, open konqueror as root..find the file and right click..select properties, select executable, close konqueror.. open root window.. type ./<filename> and then say yes to license prompt09:25
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othomashi fabbio09:27
fabbiois any kubuntu expert here ?09:27
fabbioHelle othomas09:27
othomaslol nmot me09:27
othomasnot too09:28
libbenothomas: is that all?09:29
othomasapokyphos is pretty good but he is away..:(09:29
fabbiobah ..09:29
fabbioi'll get a solution alone09:29
othomaswhat's the question?09:30
fabbiommhh ... usb problem09:30
othomaseckk..what's the error?09:30
laszlokok find out where the deb installed the java 1.509:31
fabbiois it for me ?09:31
fabbioWhat the point with java ???09:31
libbenits for me09:31
fabbiook :d09:31
libbenlaszlok: im doing the ./filename.bin now09:32
othomasfabbio: what's the error09:32
fabbio <othomas> sorry09:32
othomas :)09:32
fabbioi don't succeed in getting my usb flash memory visible from the "media center" of Kde09:32
libbenothomas: still says 1.4.2 when i do a java -version09:32
fabbioI can browse it09:33
fabbiowith a console09:33
fabbioin /media/sda109:33
fabbiobut it remains invisible in the "media:/" in nautilus09:33
othomasfabbio: now that's weird09:33
fabbioI was wondering where to configure this ...09:34
mendredfabbio: u using breezy>09:34
mendredsee i had the problem today morning09:34
mendredthen i did an upgrade09:34
mendredand it started working09:34
libbenlaszlok: wanna remote my box ? and check in it for a sec... ? i really wanna know what the problem is.09:34
fabbiowell i did an upgrade yesterday09:35
othomasewww, provocative09:35
fabbiobut i 'm gonna try afgain09:35
mendredothomas : ??09:35
othomasjust an outside comment..09:36
othomas :)09:36
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mendredfabbio: breezy is changing real fast..i am like upgrading nearly every 8 to 9 hours09:36
othomasbreezy install hung when it hit my USB drives09:36
mendredothomas: ?09:36
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mendredothomas: u are doing a fresh install?09:37
mendredothomas: i upgraded it from hoary so no issues here09:37
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fabbio<mendred> I'm not very familiar with kynaptic, but it says that my system is uptodate and doesn't need to be upgraded09:39
fabbiomaybe have i a bad source list ?09:39
fabbiofor the repositories ...09:39
libbenothomas: 09:40
libbennow what'09:40
libbendone the part09:40
_mendredtry reloading 09:40
_mendredthe package list09:41
_mendrednah doubt u have a bad source list09:41
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othomaslot of lag today...whew09:43
othomascya blowjob09:44
othomaswaves at remaining crowd.. :)09:45
laszloksudo apt-get remove j2se1.409:45
laszlokbut it look closely at what is says to make sure it doesnt try to reinstall09:45
laszlokanother java09:45
laszlokit might not recongzine the deb you installed as satisfying java requirments for openoffice09:45
laszlokit might be better just to leave j2se1.4 installed, and change the /usr/bin/java link to java1.509:45
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johlinI have a problem. When I restart or shut down the computer, first kicker crashes, and then kubuntu can't acess klauncher09:47
johlinis this know problem?09:47
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othomasnot that i know of09:48
fabbioneither I am09:48
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libbenI dont get it, why cant i get a simple help from anyone ? how to make my java working in breezy?09:55
othomaslibben: maybe it is because you don't know what the real problem is09:57
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libbenwell, im trying to figure it out? =)09:58
libbenwhy does java -version spits out that i have 1.4.209:58
libbenwhen i even done the step u said.09:58
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othomaslibben: we understand that, did not mean to seem rude..but it is hard to diagnose without the symptoms09:59
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libbenwell, someone wanna point me to a addy that has handmade debs that works?10:00
libbeni know debian has a place like that.10:00
libbenany luck for something like that for this.10:00
othomaslibben: what is the problem? is it just office ur haveing trouble with? does the web say your not up to date?10:01
libbenazureus wont work. says something about gzip header wrong.... and i have the newest azuerus that needs the newest java10:03
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libbenwell, azureus will start and all that...10:03
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libbenbut when i download a .torrent and start it in azureus, it tells me about the gzip header.10:04
othomasdl the new torrent then10:04
libbenwell it happends even on the update part of azureus. so its not the torrent files. its something else10:05
libbenupdate part is the tracker plugin to start with10:05
libbenthen ill try to download something else. and those will also generate this output.10:05
othomasthe problem might be the lawsuits hitting torrent servers..10:06
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libbenothomas: well it never appeared on *caugh*cauXP*caugh10:10
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johlinI have a small problem. Before doing this stupid thing, I could apt-get as myself. But after executing a apt-get command from the "run command"-thing on the menu, it just says that it can't lock /var/lib/apt/lists/lock - acess denied, but it works fine as root, and I can run kynaptic as myself10:16
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ChousukeI guess this Megahal doesn't like KDE: 23:28 <@SeppoBot> Chousuke: Ok this "corset" fits much better than kde.10:29
ChousukeEveryone's entitled to their own opinion, ;P10:29
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laszlokjohlin: see if any processess are running that lock the file10:47
laszlokkill any dpkg or kynaptic10:47
laszloklibben: i have time now to do a remote desktop if you want me to check it out10:47
libbenlaszlok: what is it supposed to say if u have installed the newest?10:50
libbenwhat does ur java -version say?10:50
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libbenlaszlok: what did u do?11:23
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libbensry, was away... needed to cook for my gf, shes lazy11:23
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laszlokjava version "1.5.0_05"11:27
laszlokJava(TM) 2 Runtime Environment, Standard Edition (build 1.5.0_05-b05)11:27
laszlokJava HotSpot(TM) Client VM (build 1.5.0_05-b05, mixed mode, sharing)11:27
libbenur on breezy?11:28
libbengetting tired.... thinking of wrestling this problem tomorrow... nn all11:29
libbenlaszlok: ill hook up later.11:30
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_robertis there any ubuntu equivalence to http://packages.qa.debian.org?11:32
johlinthis is probloby a really simple question, but anyway. I have a partiton that only root has got rw permissions to, my user has only got read-acess. what exactly do I change to give myself write-acess to that partiton?11:33
_robertjohlin: sudo su to root and change permissions on the folder you wanny write to11:37
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_hippiejohlin: edited fstab for change?11:40
laszloklibben: you still there?11:41
johlin_robert: with chmod...right? what flags should I feed it? _hippie: I did, when I couldn't write files to that partition11:45
seth_k|lappyAmarok 1.3 is in Breezy; my life is complete11:46
johlinamarok won't start for my any longer :(11:46
johlingreat player though11:46
johlinit's bouncing at the mouse-pointer for a few secs, and then just disappears11:47
florgamarok doesn't play anything for me :(11:52
seth_k|lappyworks fine for me11:53
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seth_k|lappyplays everything11:53
seth_k|lappyexcept protected wmas11:53
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florgin Breezy?11:53
laszlokdid anyone else notice the breezy repositories are going a lot faster now, or is it just me?11:54
seth_k|lappyjust you methinks11:54
seth_k|lappyor at least not me :P11:54
seth_k|lappyI always get really fast speeds11:55
seth_k|lappywhich repo do you use?11:55
lonewolffyeah same here, usually max out my connection no bother when updating11:56
abbas_sahbaz m using kubuntu ppc 5.10 but cd isn't eject11:58
abbas_sahbazon keyboard11:58
florghas anyone observed the fact that the kde desktop will not update the symbols when extracting a file on it?11:59
lonewolffabbas_sahbaz: you should be able to set that up with hotkeys in the kde setting dialogue, but i've never bother trying12:00

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