[12:03] <foodcoman> This whole patent thing is going to be a real pain the way its going.  Just like the Case that was lost by the guys who reverse engineered Blizzard E's Battle net.  They lost because of the Elua.
[12:03] <othernoob> foodcoman: Zeta is a BeOS derivative.. well, yellowtab bough BeOS and produced Zeta. costs around 100 euro. 
[12:03] <foodcoman> Sad really. Corporate greed.
[12:03] <foodcoman> Actually I hae never looked at it, but BeOS always sounded cool to me.
[12:03] <foodcoman> I was an Amiga consumer back in the day.  Amiga 1000!
[12:04] <othernoob> foodcoman: it is..microkernel instead of monolithic kernel.
[12:04] <othernoob> anyway, would you like windows any better if it was for free?
[12:05] <othernoob> is that all that matters about software? whether it costs something or not? does that define its worth?
[12:05] <foodcoman> Yes, provided it was an open source which could draw off the power of community support.
[12:06] <amu> windows on a ppc ? :D 
[12:07] <foodcoman> The whole thing is really an Intellectual Property(Patent) issue in my mind.
[12:07] <othernoob> amu: why not?
[12:07] <foodcoman> othernoob: Am I part of a survey, or are you advocating Windows to my in a Kubuntu forum?
[12:08] <othernoob> foodcoman: you're part of the inquisition ;)
[12:08] <foodcoman> I was already hit with Mandriva earlier.  I must have something written on my forehead!
[12:08] <foodcoman> =)
[12:08] <othernoob> you may feel honored :p
[12:08] <amu> othernoob: hell, go away :) i like osx, nice unix based os, everythings works out of the box, thats cool      
[12:09] <foodcoman> I love questions like this.  If you cant back your faith, then do you believe it yourself????
[12:11] <othernoob> did you ask me?
[12:11] <foodcoman> Just a general statement to provoke thought.
[12:11] <lonewolff> amu: what mac to you run osx on?
[12:12] <othernoob> foodcoman: you may ask any christian that and they'll say yes :p
[12:13] <foodcoman> It was a religious example but it has an OS preference spin intent.
[12:13] <amu> lonewolff: i've all kind of *.books 
[12:13] <lonewolff> aha
[12:14] <chromate> how do i install visualizers for amarok? the version installed with ubunt doesn't have any
[12:14] <amu> lonewolff: which one? i think my next desktop will be also an iMac ;)  
[12:14] <lonewolff> iMac dv+
[12:15] <foodcoman> nikkia: 
[12:15] <foodcoman> 1.  Confident belief in the truth, value, or trustworthiness of a person, idea, or thing.
[12:15] <foodcoman> 2.  Belief that does not rest on logical proof or material evidence. See Synonyms at belief, trust.
[12:15] <foodcoman> 3.  Loyalty to a person or thing; allegiance: keeping faith with one's supporters.
[12:15] <foodcoman> 4.  often Faith Christianity The theological virtue defined as secure belief in God and a trusting acceptance of God's will.
[12:15] <foodcoman> 5.  The body of dogma of a religion: the Muslim faith.
[12:15] <foodcoman> 6.  A set of principles or beliefs.
[12:15] <nalioth> howdy nikkia
[12:15] <nalioth> howdy all
[12:15] <nikkia> foodcoman: see definition '2', then compare that to your question about being able to 'back it'
[12:15] <foodcoman> Sorry for the blast, but look at 3.
[12:16] <foodcoman> or 6.
[12:16] <nikkia> foodcoman: definition 2 is the canonical meaning of 'faith' in a religious context
[12:16] <foodcoman> Many applications possible.   Up the the user of the word to choose which!
[12:16] <chromate> eh
[12:17] <chromate> as the 'user of the word' you have the responsibility to use it accurately
[12:17] <chromate> to use an obscure meaning is irresponsible
[12:17] <chromate> in a religious context, the second definition is really the only applicable one
[12:17] <nikkia> foodcoman:  does that argument follow if i write my own dictionary then ?
[12:17] <foodcoman> I am very irresponsible then, sorry!  I alway make obscure application.
[12:18] <apokryphos> hola nalioth =)
[12:18] <nalioth> how y'all doin today?
[12:18] <foodcoman> I have faith that the sun will set tonight.
[12:18] <apokryphos> I'm pretty excellent; settling in.
[12:18] <nikkia> chromate: when religious folk talk about 'faith', if they're not using definition 5, then yes
[12:18] <apokryphos> foodcoman: congratulations
[12:18] <nikkia> (definition 5 and 6 are identical, btw, bad dictionary!)
[12:18] <foodcoman> I have faith that this discussion will be more painful than I intended.
[12:18] <chromate> hehe
[12:19] <foodcoman> heheh.
[12:19] <nikkia> and its usually easy to tell between definition 2 and 5
[12:19] <chromate> .... /nick pedantic
[12:19] <foodcoman> I love you all, dont pick on the messenger.
[12:19] <othernoob> nikkia: why are 5 and 6 identical? 
[12:19] <apokryphos> people who say they "don't have faith for anything" are using meaningless talk
[12:19] <nikkia> othernoob: because when you say 'the muslim faith' the 'set of beliefs and principles' is implied
[12:19] <foodcoman> Have faith that I wont try and make strange use of words in the future.
[12:19] <apokryphos> you can't use plain deductive reasoning for everyday
[12:20] <nikkia> othernoob: ie, 'the muslim faith' means 'the set of religious beliefs and principles of the muslim religion'
[12:20] <othernoob> nikkia: well yes, but that's not important. 5 only covers religions while 6 covers more than that..
[12:21] <nikkia> othernoob: it doesn't really make much difference, tbh
[12:21] <apokryphos> It does if you're technical. A belief system is quite different to a religion
[12:21] <nikkia> non-relgiious things can be a 'faith', if they adhere to definition 6, and thus produce a word pairing that adheres to definition 5 in the process
[12:21] <othernoob> nikkia: well, you can't use 5 for some sort of drinking faith, but 6 can be used ;)
[12:21] <apokryphos> though defintions of the latter are, well, sketchy.
[12:22] <othomas> !BEER!
[12:22] <ubotu> othomas: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
[12:22] <nikkia> apokryphos: erm, no its not
[12:22] <othomas> lol
[12:22] <foodcoman> heheh
[12:22] <apokryphos> nikkia: define it then
[12:22] <nikkia> apokryphos: a religion IS a belief system
[12:22] <nalioth> boy this is a fun channel
[12:22] <apokryphos> nikkia: of course
[12:22] <foodcoman> Funny crowd.  Enjoyable on let loose once in awhile eh?
[12:23] <apokryphos> nikkia: but the same is not true vice versa
[12:23] <nikkia> apokryphos: i would argue that it is
[12:23] <apokryphos> nikkia: I only meant to imply that they're not identical, of course.
[12:23] <apokryphos> nikkia: you think atheism is a religion? I think you'll have problems.
[12:23] <othomas> atheism is a denial of religion, therefore faith that it exists
[12:24] <othomas> heh
[12:24] <apokryphos> No, that's incorrect.
[12:24] <apokryphos> Atheism is merely the denial of the existence of god(s).
[12:24] <apokryphos> the "a" prefix merely implies "not". Not-theist = atheist.
[12:24] <othomas> i rest my case..no need to fight for something to not exist
[12:25] <apokryphos> othomas: heh, of course there is. Just as much to argue for something to exist, in many cases.
[12:25] <foodcoman> You can hold a person "in good faith"  Quote from The Prince by Machiavelli, Nicolo
[12:25] <othomas> lol
[12:26] <apokryphos> foodcoman: I'm sure the sentence would finish as something like "to deceive them", considering. ;-)
[12:26] <nikkia> foodcoman: that's definition 1, and i fail to see how it is relevant
[12:26] <othomas> i have faith that a religous discussion degenerates to an arguement after a while
[12:26] <othernoob> one could also compare 5 and 6 by 5 being a religion and 6 being science....
[12:26] <foodcoman> Nevertheless our experience has been that those princes who have done great things have held good faith of little account, and have known how to circumvent the intellect of men by craft, and in the end have overcome those who have relied on their word.
[12:26] <foodcoman> Unquote.
[12:26] <nikkia> othernoob: science is in fact a religion, technically
[12:26] <apokryphos> nikkia: we'd just go around in circles unless you define it
[12:27] <nikkia> othernoob: it fits the 3rd classical definition of a religion - a set of beliefs or practices taught by a (spiritual) leader
[12:27] <apokryphos> what's a "spiritual leader"? 
[12:27] <nikkia> apokryphos: someone that passes down the beliefs/practices, so your school science teacher counts :P
[12:27] <othomas> someone you believe in
[12:28] <apokryphos> I doubt you'd get many to agree with that definition
[12:28] <nikkia> the 3rd definition of a religion is important, as without it, you'd have to say buddism isn't a religion :)
[12:28] <apokryphos> Most definitions tend to stress the supranatural or "organised worship"
[12:28] <othomas> *did someone change the "topic" yet?
[12:28] <apokryphos> though you can have naturalistic religions
[12:29] <apokryphos> Heh. #kubuntu-offtopic does actually exist, too. 8)
[12:29] <othomas> LOL
[12:29] <nikkia> apokryphos: buddists believe in no supernatural entity per se, so would you say its not a religion ?
[12:29] <afrosheen> buddhists believe in lots of supernatural entities actually
[12:29] <apokryphos> nikkia: there are many sects of Buddhism
[12:30] <foodcoman> Sorry for the comment at the start... Didnt want this to happen....=)   I have to take my son for a hair cut. <--Or is that hairs cut.
[12:30] <othomas> heh
[12:31] <apokryphos> Still, I don't really agree with the supranatural definition of religion. As I said, it's not easy to define.
[12:31] <apokryphos> I think it's pretty clear though that a definition of religion is faulty when it ascribes science (scientology -- a.o.k.) as a religion
[12:32] <nikkia> apokryphos: i don't see why
[12:33] <apokryphos> nikkia: because no-one considers it one, partly, and in many cases a shared-understanding is more vital.
[12:33] <apokryphos> Your definition makes  almost any belief passed down an automatic religion. People simply don't think that.
[12:33] <nalioth> you guys are the cats pajamas!
[12:34] <othernoob> They're what?
[12:34] <othomas> lol
[12:37] <libben> nalioth: wheres ur dog?
[12:37] <nalioth> nikkia: not to derail the subject, but as an aside. how has your day been?
[12:37] <nalioth> libben: whois him
[12:37] <nikkia> nalioth: lousy, end of discussion
[12:37] <nalioth> nikkia: it'll get better
[12:38] <libben> nalioth: u had him helping me with java like a week ago. now i would need that help again. and not the bot help... 
[12:41] <libben> nalioth: is it anyone u know?
[12:41] <nalioth> libben: is who anyone i know?
[12:42] <libben> nalioths_dog
[12:42] <nalioth> libben: nalioth_dog is my left hand
[12:43] <apokryphos> nalioth: how can you go anywhere without him then? ;-)
[12:45] <libben> can U/he help me again with java? u typed a line before... it was really easy step... download a java file and then chmod 755 something and then it was allmost done
[12:45] <nalioth> apokryphos: i havent brought him in here automajically lately
[12:45] <libben> have downloaded this from the site jre-1_5_0_04-linux-i586.bin 
[12:45] <nalioths_dog> libben: for java: download the .bin file from java.sun.com, sudo apt-get install java-package, chmod +x [the .bin file] , fakeroot make-jpkg [the bin file] , sudo dpkg -i [the generated .deb file] 
[12:46] <libben> thats the line u exactly typed earlier =)
[12:47] <libben> any good place for getting these small easy steps for everything else i might wonder about.
[12:48] <nalioths_dog> libben, ask
[12:51] <libben> where can i find a allready made deb file of the newest bin? im on breezy now, and gets some errors while doing the fakeroot thingy
[12:51] <libben> or is the error things normal
[12:52] <nalioths_dog> breezy is broken until oct 13
[12:52] <afrosheen> winter solstice?
[12:52] <libben> ?
[12:52] <libben> what u mean by that ?
[12:52] <libben> its comming out oct13 so much i understand.
[12:52] <libben> but what u mean its broken.
[12:53] <libben> should i go back to hooray? and play with that until breezy is out ?
[12:54] <nalioths_dog> libben, breezy is gonna be a disappointment and a jubilation each day until oct 13
[12:54] <nalioths_dog> libben, at which point it stabilizes 
[12:55] <RogueJediX> Another month *sigh*
[12:55] <nalioths_dog> some things that are "broken" today, may work tomorrow and vice versa
[12:56] <nalioths_dog> all the way til the 13th
[12:56] <libben> it depends. u dont have to update with synaptic everyday =)
[12:57] <libben> so u reccon i should satisfie with hooray? and wait for breezy?
[12:57] <nalioth> i suggest you stick with breezy, unless you like work
[12:57] <froggy25> i need help configuring my camera
[12:58] <froggy25> i have a creative webcam instant
[12:58] <libben> well, only things ive done is like installing firefox. and messed with the system alittle.
[12:58] <nalioth> libben: in the *nix world, you install once and never again
[12:59] <libben> well, times are changing =)
[12:59] <nalioth> libben: yes and no
[12:59] <libben> as long i can run azerus at day times when im at work.. im satisfied
[12:59] <nalioth> libben: the userbase is changing (whose understanding is clouded by the big blue "e")
[01:00] <libben> ?
[01:00] <nalioth> libben: the *nix world is seein a lot of new users formely using microsloth products
[01:01] <nalioth> libben: the only simliaritys in *nix and winduhs is that they both use the same hardware
[01:02] <RogueJediX> nalioth: Don't forget that *nixes actually work
[01:02] <RogueJediX> A lot of crashing goes on in Windows
[01:02] <nalioth> RogueJediX: that falls outside of "the only similarity"
[01:04] <RogueJediX> Whoops, misread that
[01:04] <RogueJediX> Lemme just get my dunce hat
[01:06] <libben> how tha fuck can azerus say i appear to run an outdated java version when im running the newest
[01:06] <libben> fuck it, hooray gets back in tommorow
[01:06] <RogueJediX> libben: Which java version are you using anyway?
[01:07] <libben> libben@burken:~/azureus$ java -version
[01:07] <libben> java version "1.4.2"
[01:07] <libben> gij (GNU libgcj) version 4.0.2 20050808 (prerelease) (Debian 4.0.1-4ubuntu6)
[01:07] <libben> sorry for the spam
[01:07] <othernoob> heh. 1.4.2 is outdated :p
[01:07] <RogueJediX> Isn't 1.5.x latest?
[01:08] <othernoob> yes
[01:08] <RogueJediX> Yeah, exactly
[01:08] <froggy25> hey i need some help really bad
[01:08] <froggy25> does anybody here know anything about webcams
[01:09] <froggy25> creative webcams
[01:09] <libben> sun-j2re1.5_1.5.0+update04_i386.deb
[01:09] <libben> this one ive installed
[01:09] <libben> but dident help me much.
[01:09] <libben> must sleep... later.
[01:09] <RogueJediX> Later, libben 
[01:09] <boogie> everybody loves anal
[01:10] <libben> OooOok. im out =)
[01:10] <othernoob> boogie: you're weird...
[01:10] <RogueJediX> Somehow I have the feeling he installed 1.4.2 from java's site and then 1.5 from the repos
[01:10] <nalioth> RogueJediX: yes, it looks like it
[01:10] <boogie> isn't it easier to install it from java, it's a piece of cake
[01:11] <boogie> from sun i mean
[01:11] <nalioth> SOB!
[01:11] <nalioth> y'all let me know when libben comes back
[01:11] <RogueJediX> What's so hard about clicking on the package and then "apply"?
[01:11] <nalioth> he done run off when i was gonna fix him up
[01:12] <boogie> why do you have to agree to the sun license before installing java, a bit annoying in the installer
[01:12] <RogueJediX> Proprietary software etc, etc
[01:12] <RogueJediX> I dunno
[01:12] <othernoob> boogie: what's annoying about it?
[01:13] <boogie> it's annoying having to agree to a license in a terminal rather than in a gui installer, just find it wierd
[01:13] <othernoob> uhu..
[01:14] <nalioth> boogie: yes, it's something out of windows, isn't it?
[01:15] <othernoob> heh?
[01:15] <boogie> bah?
[01:15] <RogueJediX> Great. I've compiled an app that doesn't work and now I can't make uninstall. Ideas?
[01:16] <othernoob> rm -rf * ? ;)
[01:16] <RogueJediX> Fool me once, shame on me... ;)
[01:16] <Ex-Cyber> RogueJediX: find the install entry in the Makefile and delete by hand?
[01:16] <othernoob> was worth a try :)
[01:16] <froggy25> how in the hell do you configure webcams on here
[01:17] <othernoob> people still use webcams..interesting...
[01:17] <RogueJediX> Dang. Is that the only way? I thought maybe there was something else like make remove (which also doesn't work, btw)
[01:17] <jsubl2> froggy25: search the wiki
[01:25] <RogueJediX> All done
[01:28] <boogster> what is better kubuntu or mepis?
[01:29] <nalioth> boogie: whatever suits you
[01:29] <boogster> mepis latest is newer than hoary
[01:30] <afrosheen> hoary just had a huge update recently
[01:30] <afrosheen> I apt-get upgraded my kubuntu install today and got like 93 megs of stuff
[01:30] <froggy25> where on kubuntu do you add a webcam 
[01:30] <boogster> hmm interesting
[01:30] <froggy25> i have a creative webcam instant
[01:30] <froggy25> and i want to add it
[01:31] <afrosheen>  froggy25 : what happened when you plugged it in
[01:31] <froggy25> the light came on
[01:31] <RogueJediX> froggy25: Have you tried the kubuntu and ubuntu forums? Or the #ubuntu channel?
[01:31] <froggy25> but i wont work
[01:31] <froggy25> do what
[01:32] <afrosheen> froggy25: you need to configure whatever software you're using with it then
[01:32] <froggy25> how
[01:32] <afrosheen> froggy25: what does dmesg tell you when you plug it in
[01:33] <froggy25> what am i susposed to look for afrosheen
[01:33] <afrosheen> froggy25: the last entry
[01:33] <froggy25> usb 3-1: new full speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 5
[01:33] <froggy25> this is what it says
[01:34] <froggy25> the light is on the webcam 
[01:34] <froggy25> and thats it
[01:34] <afrosheen> froggy25: ok well what software are you going to use with it
[01:34] <froggy25> software?
[01:34] <froggy25> im using it for instant messaging
[01:35] <froggy25> but dont you have to add and configure this webcam into kde first
[01:35] <froggy25> before you can use it with software
[01:35] <afrosheen> not really
[01:36] <afrosheen> first you make sure the system knows it's there and initializes it, which has already happened
[01:36] <froggy25> well by what you just saw 
[01:36] <froggy25> ok
[01:36] <froggy25> then what
[01:36] <afrosheen> then you setup whatever software you're using with it, in this case you have no idea
[01:36] <froggy25> ok
[01:36] <afrosheen> I think gnomemeeting or something else works with cams
[01:36] <afrosheen> there are a few clients out there
[01:36] <froggy25> are they on synaptic
[01:36] <boogster> mercury works, like shit
[01:37] <froggy25> i need one that does yahoo and aim
[01:37] <froggy25> any suggestions
[01:37] <afrosheen> good luck
[01:37] <boogster> gaim-vv does yahoo receive 
[01:37] <RogueJediX> Ouch
[01:37] <afrosheen> there's supposed to be a special gaim
[01:37] <afrosheen> and one other one...
[01:37] <froggy25> ok
[01:37] <froggy25> what is it
[01:37] <boogster> gaim-vv doesn't support msn or aol
[01:37] <afrosheen> did you try googling for linux webcam
[01:38] <froggy25> not yet
[01:38] <boogster> development is seriously slow on webcam support
[01:38] <afrosheen> yep it's depressingly slow, I gave up on that prospect last year
[01:39] <froggy25> well i need something to use with this
[01:39] <froggy25> i spent 30 dollars on this
[01:39] <afrosheen> hope you kept the receipt
[01:39] <boogster> try mercury, it's the only one which claims to work
[01:39] <afrosheen> lol
[01:39] <afrosheen> I guess that was discouraging
[01:40] <bobbyd> gnomemeeting works with lots of webcams
[01:40] <afrosheen> yeah I mentioned that already but nobody uses it
[01:41] <bobbyd> there is no video yahoo and msn client though
[01:41] <boogster> but no one uses gnomemeeting
[01:41] <afrosheen> and he wants to get on LOL R U 4 WINDOZE chat rooms on aol/yahoo
[01:41] <bobbyd> someone should write one :)
[01:41] <bobbyd> it would be ok if there was a Jabber equivalent
[01:41] <bobbyd> but there isn't at the moment, so it's pretty poor
[01:41] <boogster> http://www.mercury.to/
[01:42] <afrosheen> well sip video will end up stomping all this stuff eventually
[01:42] <bobbyd> of course you could just try to run MSN messenger or Yahoo under wine :)
[01:43] <boogster> yeah but wine sucks
[01:43] <boogster> Receiving Webcam is supported on all operating systems. This functionality is built into the program, so no extra files need to be downloaded or installed.
[01:43] <boogster> Sending webcam is supported in 1709 RC7 and later.
[01:44] <bobbyd> boogster, I think wine is really cool
[01:44] <afrosheen> wine is cool the 10% of the time I can get it to do something right
[01:45] <boogster> it is, but wine is SLOW, native code is what everyone should be using
[01:45] <ian> I just got an asus wl-167g usb dongle for wifi, the kernel moduel (rt2500) is loaded and it dosn't show up in my networking config
[01:45] <ian> suggestions?
[01:45] <bobbyd> afrosheen, cedega is nice if you'd like to pay for it
[01:45] <afrosheen> if I'm going that route I'll buy crossover office
[01:45] <bobbyd> ian, can you see it with lsusb ?
[01:46] <ian> bobbyd - cedega is cheap from torrentreactor.net
[01:46] <afrosheen> and I have paid for cedega in the past
[01:46] <bobbyd> ian, yeah, I prefer to pay them for it
[01:46] <boogster> i prefer to pirate it, arrrrrr
[01:46] <ian> thats good too, I never made it work well
[01:46] <ian> yeah, the device shoes \\] ] 
[01:46] <afrosheen> for that matter just download from cvs and build it, why pirate what's free
[01:46] <ian> gah, shows up in lsusb
[01:46] <bobbyd> I get a lot of use out of cedega, I think it's a good product
[01:47] <ian> all I ever tried with it was cs 1.6 and it was too tweaky for good cs ownage
[01:47] <ian> well, it ran starcraft fine, but I don't play that anymore
[01:47] <bobbyd> afrosheen, don't you think the guys doing the work deserve some money? it's not exactly expensive
[01:47] <bobbyd> it think it's funny that whenever poeple try to make money out of free software, people just steal it
[01:47] <afrosheen> bobbyd: scroll up and read
[01:48] <ian> so, the device is in lsusb, module is loaded, why can't I configure it?
[01:48] <RogueJediX> bobbyd: People would pay for it, if they knew if their games actually worked
[01:48] <apokryphos> bobbyd: I think it's funnier when it's non-free ;-)
[01:48] <ian> I also just rebooted
[01:48] <boogster> i'm going to watch some pr0n, see you later
[01:48] <ian> boogster: yeah, have fun buddy
[01:48] <bobbyd> afrosheen, I reallise you said you'd paid for it, but you were just saying people shouldn't
[01:48] <bobbyd> RogueJediX, they have a list of games that work
[01:49] <afrosheen> well they offer it for free via cvs, HOWEVER you don't get full functionality due to things they build into the for-sale version
[01:49] <afrosheen> so it's a tradeoff anyway
[01:49] <bobbyd> RogueJediX, for things like Source Engine based games, it's very difficult to keep them working because valve patch it all the time
[01:49] <RogueJediX> bobbyd: They have a list of games that are rated on how well they work, but no instructions
[01:49] <bobbyd> RogueJediX, I've found that the games they rate as workign usually work, but YMMV :)
[01:50] <bobbyd> and just for the record, I think it's better when developers and publishers can release games for linux, but it's not really commercially viable.
[01:50] <RogueJediX> bobbyd: I know mine did. never did get NFS: Road Challenge working
[01:50] <bobbyd> and when there were native ports (from loki) lots of people just copied them
[01:50] <afrosheen> we can always count on Id to give us unpopular games now ;)
[01:51] <bobbyd> yeah, doom3 was a bit of a mess on linux
[01:51] <RogueJediX> Linux - the abandonware OS :P
[01:51] <afrosheen> doom3 sucked period
[01:51] <ian> bobbyd : doom3 ran better on linux than on windows for me
[01:51] <bobbyd> RogueJediX, quite often it's silly things like the installers that stop games working
[01:51] <ian> however that works
[01:51] <bobbyd> ian, but not at all on ATI cards...
[01:51] <locomorto> a little tip: use loki installers over all else
[01:51] <locomorto> theres one for doom 3
[01:51] <ian> oh, I'm on nvidia
[01:52] <ian> :)
[01:52] <bobbyd> yeah, the loci installers are great
[01:52] <afrosheen> yep, I third that
[01:52] <locomorto> And a whole heap of cedega/wine(x) games
[01:52] <RogueJediX> bobbyd: In that case, you can always copy it from a windows install if you have one available, but my game got stuck when I tried to run it
[01:52] <bobbyd> however i think the doom3 problems were mainly crappy drivers from ATI
[01:52] <locomorto> what vid card do you have?
[01:52] <bobbyd> RogueJediX, things like people useing quicktime for the intro movies, loads of things can go wrong
[01:52] <locomorto> And what version of the ATi drivers
[01:52] <RogueJediX> I think I saw some work on a new Linux installer on happypenguin. BitRock or something
[01:52] <afrosheen> I kinda feel sorry for ati owners
[01:53] <Pyf> how do i setup shared folders so ppl on windows computers can copy all my music?
[01:53] <bobbyd> locomorto, radeon 9800 and the latest drivers. There was a know bug where D3 would just lock up
[01:53] <locomorto> actually my ATi mobility radeon 9600 works very well under the 8.14.13 drivers
[01:53] <RogueJediX> bobbyd: That's true
[01:53] <bobbyd> Pyf, you need NFS
[01:53] <afrosheen> Pyf: click on your konqueror icon, select network shares, follow the yellow brick road
[01:53] <locomorto> pfs, samba
[01:54] <bobbyd> locomorto, oops, yeah :)
[01:54] <bobbyd> afrosheen, does that 'just work' ?
[01:54] <afrosheen> bobbyd: try it, looks viable
[01:54] <locomorto> Anyway, has anyone seen the new kubuntu login screens in breezy?
[01:54] <bobbyd> I'm working on a home project that I hope to relelase on linux.
[01:54] <locomorto> I just got them after unborking xorg
[01:55] <bobbyd> I hope that the company I work for will release the game I'm working on for linux, but it's a difficult sell.
[01:55] <RogueJediX> Screenshots?
[01:55] <afrosheen> bobbyd: the samba scripts in knoppmyth are unbelievably perfect
[01:55] <bobbyd> afrosheen, cool :)
[01:55] <afrosheen> run one command and all the proper folders are mounted r/w for your workgroup
[01:55] <locomorto> RogueJediX: i'm not in the mood to set qemu up
[01:55] <Pyf> afrosheen: where is "network shares"?
[01:56] <RogueJediX> locomorto: Alright then, no prob
[01:56] <locomorto> Internet & Networking -> Samba
[01:56] <afrosheen> Pyf: should say 'network folders' when you open konqueror from the taskbar
[01:57] <Pyf> afrosheen: yeah i get that, then what do i do, to share a folder on this machine?
[01:57] <afrosheen> unless I have mine setup some crazy way, I get a few links after clicking konq
[01:57] <afrosheen> Pyf: what icons do you get next
[01:57] <Pyf> samba and add a network folder
[01:57] <afrosheen> hmmm which one could it be...
[01:57] <afrosheen> survey says? add a network folder
[01:57] <Pyf> add a network folder seems to be adding a link to a remtooe folder though?
[01:58] <afrosheen> doh!
[01:58] <afrosheen> yeah..uh..hang on :)
[01:58] <Pyf> "select the type of folder u wish to connect to"
[01:58] <Pyf> i wanna share not connect...
[01:58] <Pyf> ok thx :)
[01:59] <afrosheen> ok let's try it this way, open your home folder, right click, select properties, then the sharing tab
[01:59] <RogueJediX> Pyf: Right clicking on a folder in konqueror and then clicking on the share tab works form e
[01:59] <RogueJediX> *for me
[01:59] <bobbyd> Pyf, right click a directory, click properties, then share
[02:00] <bobbyd> afrosheen, oops, i was a little behind there
[02:00] <afrosheen> ;)
[02:01] <Pyf> so how would the person on the windows machine go about acceessing the newly shared folder?
[02:02] <RogueJediX> Pyf: My sis sees my shared folders in Network Places
[02:02] <locomorto> Pyf: The same way as if it was another windows machine
[02:02] <bobbyd> Pyf, I think you give it the name when you share it
[02:03] <jsubl2> Pyf: if you try it the dialog boxes are real easy to follow.  and it tells you the share name
[02:03] <afrosheen> yessir
[02:03] <RogueJediX> Heh. Supportspam
[02:03] <Pyf> hmmm, maybe im being dumb then...
[02:04] <bobbyd> Pyf, tell me your root password and I'll help you out :)
[02:04] <Pyf> not that stupid
[02:04] <Pyf> :)
[02:05] <afrosheen> pyf: just remember that by default you will be in a different workgroup, windows defaults to the mshome group
[02:05] <afrosheen> so you may have to do a \\ubuntu\pyfbox\whateverfolder in her browser window then map the share
[02:05] <afrosheen> not sure what that path should read
[02:06] <Pyf> i think thats where im having problems, i cant work out what that path should be
[02:06] <afrosheen> Pyf: you already shared the folder right
[02:06] <Pyf> i think so
[02:06] <afrosheen> who knows kubuntu's default workgroup
[02:07] <afrosheen> maybe...workgroup
[02:07] <afrosheen> \\workgroup\yourmachine'shostname\foldername
[02:07] <afrosheen> or even easier, \\workgroup\yourmachine'shostname
[02:07] <Pyf> thats not it
[02:08] <afrosheen> search entire network on the windows box then
[02:11] <Pyf> very strange
[02:18] <locomorto> personally, I could not network with my winblows box either
[02:18] <locomorto> but that wasa while ago
[02:18] <locomorto> was*
[02:19] <bobbyd> Pyf, try restarting samba and also checking using 'sudo netstat -tuap' that it's actually listening
[02:21] <Pyf> bobbyd: what would i be looking for in the netstat?
[02:34] <bobbyd> Pyf, that samba is running and has ports open
[03:55] <klui> hello people
[03:55] <klui> anyone have knights in kubuntu?
[04:00] <apokryphos> klui: what is it?
[04:00] <peter_servo> Hello- I'm running the latest Breezy Badger release and cannot seem to make kmenu changes stick.. anyone else have that problem?
[04:01] <nalioth> yes explain "knights" please
[04:02] <klui> knights is a chess game for kde
[04:03] <klui> http://knights.sourceforge.net/
[04:06] <jesusfish> what would cause me to not be able to set DMA to 'on' on a hard drive using hdparm?
[04:06] <jesusfish> the driver supports it, and it's set in the BIOS
[04:10] <sproingie> getting any errors?
[04:11] <jesusfish> sproingie: operation not permitted
[04:12] <sproingie> are you root?
[04:12] <jesusfish> sproingie: yup
[04:12] <sproingie> beats me ...
[04:13] <jesusfish> I didn't have SATA when I bought this drive
[04:13] <apokryphos> klui: interesting, but nope -- doesn't seem to have it.
[04:15] <apokryphos> klui: erm, ignore me, it does exist
[04:15] <apokryphos> !info knights
[04:16] <apokryphos> hm, perhaps only in breezy
[04:16] <apokryphos> !info knights breezy
[04:16] <ubotu> knights: (A chess interface for the K Desktop Environment), section universe/games, is optional. Version: 0.6-3build1 (breezy), Packaged size: 771 kB, Installed size: 1740 kB
[04:17] <othomas> hi all
[04:17] <apokryphos> aloha
[04:18] <othomas> hoyy
[04:19] <othomas> apok, you ever settle the "faith" issue..<grin>
[04:19] <nalioth> not again, please
[04:20] <apokryphos> othomas: not really; as I said, "religion" isn't an easy word to define. Our common usage leads us to problems when trying to proffer a strict definition for it.
[04:20] <othomas> LOL
[04:20] <nalioth> and there is #kubuntu-offtopic for further religious discussions
[04:20] <nalioth> go there and let the flames begin
[04:20] <othomas> nalioth: just teasing..
[04:20] <apokryphos> nalioth: there weren't actually any flames before ;-)
[04:21] <othomas> good to see you all again..hope things are well..:)
[04:21] <nalioth> had us a purty good session on -offtopic earlier
[04:21] <othomas> LOL
[04:21] <apokryphos> it's getting much more popular lately I see
[04:22] <apokryphos> used to have around 6 people max some time ago
[04:22] <othomas> lot of ppl with issues..SIGH
[04:23] <othomas> think I will UG to breezy
[04:23] <nalioth> othomas: have fun, it's still rough
[04:24] <othomas> yes, is my joy to work with os's
[04:25] <othomas> kubuntu/ubuntu is a lot of BG's stuff, but is needed..you cn get around it if your puter savvy
[04:27] <othomas> bye..waves
[04:27] <Kamping_Kaiser> later mate
[04:28] <othomas> later's
[04:34] <othomas> actually, if you buy my tokens you can toss them in the pool and then i will sell it to you on the morrow too.
[04:40] <Fonzi> hi
[04:41] <othomas> hi fonzi
[04:41] <Fonzi> i just install kuduntu a couple of days ago..still trying to get aclamated
[04:41] <Fonzi> kubuntu*
 quite a change
[04:42] <Fonzi> yes..especially for the wife and kids :)
[04:42] <othomas> eek..lol
[04:42] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[04:42] <Kamping_Kaiser> good luck :)
[04:42] <othomas> uh-huh
[04:42] <Fonzi> tux racer is all the kids care about and as long as email is downloading the wife seems to be happy
[04:43] <othomas> ok, that works..haha
[04:43] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol. classic
[04:43] <othomas> yup
[04:43] <othomas> how do you like it?
[04:43] <Fonzi> i have had quite a few calls at work though with stuff like "umm how do i get on the internet now.." :)
[04:43] <othomas> acckkk
[04:43] <Fonzi> i love it..im having little problems here and there but its working ok..
[04:44] <othomas> same here..
[04:44] <Fonzi> first problem is that i keep double clicking everything
[04:44] <Kamping_Kaiser> mmmm....
[04:44] <Fonzi> hehe..
[04:44] <othomas> LOL
[04:44] <othomas> hi KK
[04:44] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi ot
[04:44] <othomas>  :)
[04:45] <Fonzi> i need to spend some time getting the multimedia stuff to work..i cant do anything with amarok
[04:45] <Fonzi> says no engine found when i try to play something
[04:45] <othomas> what you trying to play?
[04:45] <Fonzi> but xmms seems to work ok..
[04:45] <Fonzi> an internet station
[04:46] <othomas> ohh. stick with xmms
[04:46] <Fonzi> xmms is great i just miss the ability to have bookmarks
[04:46] <Fonzi> from winamp
[04:46] <apokryphos> Fonzi: xmms is pretty bad, considering the competition
[04:46] <othomas> it's called favorites with xmms
[04:47] <Fonzi> but where do i set a favorite?
[04:47] <othomas> LOL apok
[04:47] <Fonzi> apokryphose what do you suggest instead?
[04:48] <apokryphos> ubotu: tell Fonzi about players
[04:48] <apokryphos> Fonzi: my personal favourites are easily amaroK and JuK
[04:48] <Fonzi> but i cant get amarok to play a radiop station..
[04:48] <Fonzi> says no engine found
[04:48] <Fonzi> radio*
[04:49] <apokryphos> not sure how it is exactly with streams; you can ask in #amarok
[04:49] <apokryphos> but, install the amarok-engine (or something) pack to get the other engines
[04:49] <Fonzi> ok..ill check overthere later on
[04:49] <Fonzi> hmm..looks like amarok engines is what i need..
[04:50] <Fonzi> amazing what find and kynaptic can do for you :)
[04:52] <othomas> lol
[04:54] <Fonzi> hmm..oh well that didnt work either..xmms may be old but it works ;)
[04:55] <jesusfish> anyone here using breezy + nvidia?
[04:56] <Fonzi> not me
[04:58] <Kamping_Kaiser> jesusfish: yeh, i try now and then
[05:00] <jesusfish> Kamping_Kaiser: have any issues with 2.6.12 and the nvidia driver from breezy?
[05:02] <Kamping_Kaiser> jesusfish: i could never get it to run, but it seems that could be because i (have an smp kernel)
[05:03] <Kamping_Kaiser> hm. no idea what the () was for
[05:03] <jesusfish> Kamping_Kaiser: ah
[05:03] <Kamping_Kaiser> but my mobo just died... so i cant test the theory :(
[05:03] <nalioth> Kamping_Kaiser: watch those rocks
[05:03] <jesusfish> Kamping_Kaiser: mine runs, but freezes if I use RenderAccel
[05:04] <Kamping_Kaiser> ah ok.smp kernel? i havent tried accel things
[05:04] <jesusfish> Kamping_Kaiser: no smp
[05:05] <Kamping_Kaiser> hm. ok. you almost gave me hope ;)
[05:06] <[Relic] > is there a java package for use with mozilla or should I DL the one it tries to call up when it asks for java?
[05:10] <nalioth> [Relic] : ask seveas for his pkg
[05:11] <jesusfish> darn, looks like the nvidia issue is common
[05:12] <[Relic] > what nvidia issue?
[05:12] <jesusfish> [Relic] : screen freeze if renderaccel is on
[05:13] <[Relic] > is that with nvidias drivers latest drivers?
[05:14] <[Relic] > since I have nvidia and installed that :)
[05:14] <jesusfish> [Relic] : with whatever breezy provides
[05:14] <[Relic] > ok, haven't gotten breezy yet
[05:16] <jesusfish> [Relic] : it hard to install drivers striaght from nvidia?
[05:18] <[Relic] > not sure if I did or found it in the package manager, I know I had to update something, and I know I went to their site to see what was available
[05:20] <[Relic] > maybe it was that glx wasn't installed when I was trying to use something that had it, not really sure I have done a lot of things I don't really remember since it was simply follwing instructions to get everything working  :)
[05:20] <jesusfish> lol
[05:21] <[Relic] > javaj2-common?
[05:24] <troy> cool, new fglrx drivers in breezy should finally support my chipset!
[05:33] <[Relic] > I have an old serial port scanner and printer and I didn't have them on when I installed, how do I determine what I need for setup drivers?
[05:39] <jesusfish> [Relic] : looks like the newest version from nVidia doesn't work anyways
[05:39] <[Relic] > ah
[05:39] <[Relic] > you just have to quit breaking things  :)
[05:40] <jesusfish> [Relic] : it's a know issue anyways
[05:40] <jesusfish> [Relic] : according to Ubuntu forums
[05:43] <[Relic] > then I am sure I don't have that on :)
[05:44] <jesusfish> [Relic] : well, it's not for everyone
[05:44] <jesusfish> [Relic] : but for enough that it's known
[05:47] <[Relic] > I only use blender to render :)
[06:40] <noc> alo
[06:40] <noc> anybody know how to upgrade kubuntu libc ?
[06:41] <nalioth> noc: what version are you running now? warty, hoary or breezy?
[06:41] <noc> i cannot install jre1.4 with 2.3.2.ds1-20ubuntu13 version
[06:41] <noc> hoary
[06:41] <noc> i need libc higher than 2.3.2.ds1-21
[06:42] <nalioth> noc: breezy kubuntu will be out oct 13
[06:42] <noc> omg
[06:42] <noc> its too long
[06:42] <crimsun> noc: you should use 'java-package' (in multiverse) to create a deb from Sun's/IBM's JRE
[06:42] <noc> is there another solution ?
[06:43] <nalioth> if you upgrade your libc, you'll break your machine
[06:43] <noc> my application always crash with sun-jre1.5
[06:43] <noc> its stable in 1.4 or 1.3
[06:43] <crimsun> so create a deb of 1.4.2
[06:43] <crimsun> that's precisely what I did
[06:43] <crimsun> Classic VM (build 1.4.2, J2RE 1.4.2 IBM build cxia32142-20050609 (JIT enabled: jitc))
[06:44] <noc> you mean like downloading the tar.ball and create the .deb ?
[06:44] <crimsun> yep, it's automatic
[06:44] <noc> hmm.. im trying with tar ball also, but it's show a depedency with libc
[06:44] <noc> # ./bin/java
[06:44] <noc> /home/noc/jre1.3.1_02/bin/i386/native_threads/java: error while loading shared libraries: libstdc++-libc6.1-1.so.2: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[06:45] <noc> im not sure if i compile into .deb it can fix the problem
[06:45] <noc> btw crimsun, can you show me url how to compile from source tar ball to .deb ?
[06:45] <crimsun> you don't compile the _source_
[06:46] <crimsun> you download the jre tgz
[06:46] <crimsun> then you use make-jpkg
[06:46] <noc> .tgz mean slackware / bsd package ? 
[06:46] <crimsun> no, I mean the tarball of the binary that Sun or IBM provides
[06:46] <crimsun> (as opposed to the RPM)
[06:47] <noc> oh i c
[06:47] <noc> # whereis make-jpkg
[06:47] <noc> make-jpkg:
[06:47] <crimsun> install java-package (in multiverse) like I said
[06:47] <noc> sorry make-jpkg is a command line or what ?
[06:48] <crimsun> it's a script, just like kernel-package's make-kpkg
[06:49] <noc> o i c
[06:49] <noc> describe in http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-23592.html ? right ?
[06:50] <crimsun> essentially.
[06:50] <noc> oh ok, thanks crimsun 
[06:52] <noc> E: Couldn't find package java-package
[06:53] <crimsun> you must enable the multiverse repository.
[06:54] <noc> where can i find an available mirror site for java-package ? sun ?
[06:54] <noc> blackport ?
[06:54] <noc> deb http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net/ hoary-backports main universe multiverse restricted ??
[06:55] <crimsun> java-package is in multiverse
[06:55] <noc> oke thanks
[06:55] <crimsun> it's in Ubuntu's repository, not an external one
[06:55] <noc> i found it
[06:59] <noc>  fakeroot make-jpkg j2re-1_3_1_02-linux-i386.bin
[06:59] <noc> Creating temporary directory: /tmp/make-jpkg.XXXXwIiclj
[06:59] <noc> Loading plugins: blackdown-j2re.sh blackdown-j2sdk.sh common.sh ibm-j2re.sh ibm-j2sdk.sh j2re.sh j2sdk.sh j2se.sh sun-j2re.sh sun-j2sdk.sh
[06:59] <noc> No matching plugin was found.
[06:59] <noc> Removing temporary directory: done
[06:59] <crimsun> why not use Sun's or IBM's 1.4.2?
[07:00] <noc> it's more compatible with 1.3
[07:00] <Bicchi> i gnome and kde installed. how do i completly remove gnome?
[07:01] <noc> ok sorry got to go, see ya later crimsun 
[07:01] <noc> thanks for advice
[07:01] <sproingie> should be a gnome package you can remove
[07:01] <sproingie> removing ubuntu-desktop might do it, depends how it was installed
[07:02] <Bicchi> yeap that does it
[07:02] <Bicchi> thanks
[07:02] <Bicchi> i used synaptic. i wasn't sure what name was under
[07:02] <Bicchi> i was looking for gnome-desktop
[07:03] <Bicchi> but thatt did not remove gnome
[07:59] <lwells> Hi everyone
[08:02] <Black_Monkey> oh crap, iTunes doesn't work on Linux...
[08:02] <crimsun> it runs under a special fork of WINE
[08:02] <crimsun> see Codeweaver's Crossover
[08:03] <crimsun> on the other hand, you can use pymusique
[08:03] <crimsun> or you can use Windows or Mac OS to download the songs, then use a program like iOpener or jHymn to strip the DRM, then use gstreamer-faad to play the m4as
[08:04] <Black_Monkey> well I only want it to put songs on my iPod...
[08:05] <Black_Monkey> and by WINE, you mean a windows emulator or something, not the alcohol, right?
[08:15] <ndazza> hi! how can i stop konqueror editing wiki pages on double click?
[08:16] <lwells> hi all
[08:20] <satafterh> when is Breezy due to come out
[08:25] <ndazza> satafterh: i think 13th Oct
[08:25] <satafterh> thanks
[08:39] <_lucian> echo!!!
[08:39] <_lucian> is there anybody awake?
[08:40] <ndazza> yes
[08:40] <_lucian> hello
[08:40] <ndazza> hi
[08:40] <_lucian> can you help with a thing nVidia & X related?
[08:41] <ndazza> maybe, just ask and someone will reply though
[08:41] <_lucian> i have installed nvidia drivers, and i have modified xorg.conf as they say
[08:42] <_lucian> but when i reboot it goes blank and says it couldn't find GLX
[08:42] <_lucian> what can i do to make it work
[08:42] <_lucian> ?
[08:42] <ndazza> make sure you have the nvidia-glx package installed, and make sure the line Load "glx" appears in your xorg.conf
[08:43] <_lucian> it appears
[08:43] <ndazza> and the package?
[08:43] <_lucian> and nvidia glx is installed
[08:43] <_lucian> yes
[08:43] <ndazza> type: less /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[08:44] <ndazza> look down near the bottom of the file, see if there's any lines that start with (EE)
[08:45] <_lucian> in the Xorg.0.log says, but without the (EE) in front of it, that:
[08:45] <_lucian> (--) PCI:*(2:0:0) nVidia Corporation unknown chipset (0x0045) rev 161, Mem @ 0xe0000000/24, 0xd0000000/28, 0xe1000000/24
[08:46] <_lucian> but in the readme file that came with the driver it says it works with chipset 0x0045, which is Geforce 6800GT
[08:48] <ndazza> _lucian: the nvidia binary driver is generic, it should work ok with any nvidia graphics card
[08:48] <_lucian> i have many warnings about generic monitor and the following (EE) message:
[08:48] <_lucian> (EE) Failed to initialize GLX extension (NVIDIA X driver not found)
[08:48] <ndazza> ahh
[08:48] <_lucian> what is that?
[08:48] <ndazza> try sudo modprobe nvidia
[08:49] <chavo> _lucian, is nvidia-glx installed?
[08:49] <ndazza> means the nvidia driver isn't loaded into memory
[08:49] <_lucian> what it is supposed to do?
[08:49] <ndazza> type lsmod | grep nvidia
[08:49] <ndazza> if there's no output your nvidia kernel module hasn't been loaded
[08:50] <_lucian> sudo modprobe nvidia - doesn't do anything
[08:50] <ndazza> that has to be done before X starts or you won't get an accelerated X server
[08:51] <_lucian> i'm in kde right now
[08:51] <_lucian> for that i have to reboot but not load x?
[08:51] <ndazza> no, you can load the module now
[08:52] <ndazza> and test to see if it works by typing startx -- :1
[08:52] <_lucian> how do i do that
[08:52] <_lucian> ?
[08:52] <ndazza> first check if it is loaded - lsmod | grep nvidia
[08:53] <_lucian> i did that, but i don't know what the result means...
[08:53] <ndazza> is there any result?
[08:53] <_lucian> i have 3 output lines
[08:53] <_lucian> nvidia               3708296  0
[08:53] <_lucian> nvidia_agp              7452  1
[08:53] <_lucian> agpgart                31784  2 nvidia,nvidia_agp
[08:53] <ndazza> ok, the modules are loaded then
[08:54] <ndazza> try startx -- :1
[08:54] <ndazza> you should get a new window
[08:54] <ndazza> to switch between them you will need to use Ctrl+Alt+F7 and Ctrl+Alt+F8
[08:54] <_lucian> nvidia               3708296  0
[08:54] <_lucian> nvidia_agp              7452  1
[08:54] <_lucian> agpgart                31784  2 nvidia,nvidia_agp
[08:54] <ndazza> by window i mean a fullscreen X session thingy... hehe technical term you see :p
[08:55] <_lucian> when i typed startx.... and look what it said:
[08:55] <_lucian> X: user not authorized to run the X server, aborting.
[08:55] <_lucian> giving up.
[08:55] <_lucian> xinit:  Connection refused (errno 111):  unable to connect to X server
[08:55] <_lucian> xinit:  No such process (errno 3):  unexpected signal 2.
[08:55] <_lucian> Couldnt get a file descriptor referring to the console
[08:55] <ndazza> hmm ok
[08:55] <ndazza> it will probably be easier to restart X then
[08:56] <_lucian> you mean right now?
[08:56] <ndazza> yeah, to see if loading that module fixes the problem
[08:56] <_lucian> with the xorg.conf modified or not?
[08:56] <ndazza> yes, modified
[08:56] <_lucian> but how do i load the module?
[08:56] <ndazza> it is loaded
[08:57] <ndazza> it should have loaded when you typed modprobe nvidia
[08:57] <_lucian> but when i restart x it won't unload the module?
[08:57] <ndazza> no, the kernel module will stay loaded until it is unloaded or until the system restarts
[08:58] <_lucian> ok
[08:58] <_lucian> i'll do that, and then come back
[08:58] <ndazza> okay
[08:58] <_lucian> bye for  now
[08:58] <ndazza> you need to make sure the X server is shut down, not just log out then back in
[08:58] <ndazza> good luck :0
[09:11] <kane> yo!
[09:12] <kane> elo
[09:21] <_lucian> i'm back
[09:23] <_lucian> ndazza are you still there?
[09:26] <ndazza> i'm around, afk mostly though
[09:26] <ndazza> did you have any luck?
[09:26] <_lucian> no
[09:27] <ndazza> what happened?
[09:27] <_lucian> it went completely blank and i couldn't do anything, but push reset button
[09:27] <_lucian> i could see for an instance an nvidia logo and then went blank
[09:28] <_lucian> when i rebooted, it went again blank, but when i pressed a key, i could login into console and consulted Xorg.0.log file
[09:29] <_lucian> where it said only good things, but many warnings, about generic monitor
[09:29] <_lucian> could it be from the monitor?
[09:29] <_lucian> how can i change it?
[09:30] <after8> _lucian> using nvidia ??
[09:30] <_lucian> yes!
[09:30] <after8> with hoary or breezy?
[09:30] <_lucian> what is that?
[09:30] <after8> the version of (k)ubuntu .... ;)
[09:31] <_lucian> 5.04, i think hoary
[09:32] <after8> oki.
[09:32] <_lucian> what can i do?
[09:34] <mornfall> wobble
[09:36] <mornfall> re aftertaf :)
[09:36] <aftertaf> re :)
[09:36] <aftertaf> adept seems quite happily stable
[09:37] <nalioth> adept?
[09:38] <aftertaf> yep
[09:39] <ndazza> _lucian: i don't think it is the monitor... but i'm not sure what it could be. ask in #ubuntu, that channel is alot more active :)
[09:39] <_lucian> but how can i change the monitor?
[09:40] <_lucian> i'm walking through the menus and i can't find it
[09:40] <aftertaf> _lucian> i missed your reply to nv/nvidia.....
[09:40] <_lucian> it is nvidia
[09:40] <_lucian> and it doesn't work
[09:40] <aftertaf> have you tried 'nv'?
[09:40] <aftertaf> does X work with nv?
[09:41] <_lucian> right now i'm in x with 'nv' but i want 'nvidia'
[09:41] <aftertaf> ok.... i understand you do ;)  but making sure where the pb can be.....
[09:41] <aftertaf> do you have the nvidia stuff from ubuntu installed too?
[09:42] <aftertaf> _lucian> by that i mean nvidia-glx, linux-restricted ... ?
[09:42] <othomas> hi all
[09:43] <_lucian> what do you mean from ubuntu?
[09:43] <aftertaf> _lucian> run synaptic and see if those packages are installed
[09:43] <pedri2> hello
[09:43] <_lucian> nvidia-glx is
[09:44] <pedri2> in kopete, how do you get the list of chat rooms in yahoo?
[09:44] <aftertaf> _lucian> ok.....
[09:45] <aftertaf> _lucian> now, i got the nvidia binary working only when i removed those packages
[09:45] <aftertaf> _lucian> there may be a better way to use it, with these packages, but i dont know it man;)
[09:45] <_lucian> and linux-restricted-modules-2.6.10-5-386 and linux-restricted-modules-386 also
[09:46] <aftertaf> _lucian> her's a checklist before removing things......  have you commented out the "dri" module in xorg.conf?
[09:46] <_lucian> i have installed nvidia binary, but when i changed xorg.conf it didn't work
[09:47] <_lucian> yes i did that, exactly like in the readme file that came with the drivers
[09:48] <aftertaf> ok
[09:48] <aftertaf> remove the packages then....
[09:48] <aftertaf> and try with "nvidia"..
[09:48] <_lucian> ok
[09:48] <aftertaf> if that fails, reinstall the NVIDIA.run driver
[09:49] <_lucian> let me try it and i'll come back
[09:50] <pedri2> is there a way to get the chat room list on yahoo using kopete?
[09:51] <pedri2> or do i have to install gaim instead?
[09:52] <aftertaf> mornfall> funny thing......
[09:53] <aftertaf> im running adept on a 2nd breezy PC. i term via ssh the export display The app... ok?
[09:53] <aftertaf> I did CTL+Z to interrupt, to check sth in console, and adept remained active...
[09:53] <aftertaf> i then bg'ed to bring it back and it seems just as happy....
[09:56] <_lucian> i'm back
[09:57] <_lucian> i think it worked!!!
[09:57] <aftertaf> :)
[09:57] <aftertaf> you think?
[09:57] <aftertaf> got glxgears installed?
[09:57] <_lucian> i don't know
[09:57] <_lucian> how do i find out
[09:58] <_lucian> ?
[09:58] <aftertaf> sudo apt-get install glx-gears
[09:58] <nalioth> aftertaf: that is ONE way to find out
[09:58] <nalioth> aftertaf: the preferred method is opening a terminal and typing "glxgears"
[09:58] <nalioth> aftertaf: or "which glxgears"
[09:59] <aftertaf> you're right, i didnt know the which thingy<;...
[09:59] <aftertaf> but most times it aint installed....
[10:00] <_lucian> it is installed, because some wheels started running
[10:00] <_lucian> what does it do?
[10:00] <nalioth> aftertaf: not "superior" just more of a nerd
[10:01] <_lucian> and they are not stopping!!!
[10:01] <nalioth> aftertaf: if you have openGL installed, [GL] xgears usually is, too
[10:01] <nalioth> _lucian: you can close the window
[10:01] <_lucian> what does it do?
[10:01] <aftertaf> looool :)
[10:01] <aftertaf> omg theyre unstoppable :D
[10:01] <_lucian> why are you laughing???
[10:02] <nalioth> aftertaf: explain glxgears to _lucian, sil vous plait
[10:02] <aftertaf> cos i really need a piss, actually :)
[10:03] <_lucian> look what appeared in the shell!!!
[10:03] <_lucian> 46933 frames in 5.0 seconds = 9386.600 FPS
[10:03] <_lucian> 50108 frames in 5.0 seconds = 10021.600 FPS
[10:03] <_lucian> 48564 frames in 5.0 seconds = 9712.800 FPS
[10:03] <_lucian> 48881 frames in 5.0 seconds = 9776.200 FPS
[10:03] <_lucian> 49920 frames in 5.0 seconds = 9984.000 FPS
[10:04] <_lucian> 49973 frames in 5.0 seconds = 9994.600 FPS
[10:04] <_lucian> 49594 frames in 5.0 seconds = 9918.800 FPS
[10:04] <_lucian> 50073 frames in 5.0 seconds = 10014.600 FPS
[10:04] <ndazza> i think it's working
[10:04] <_lucian> what is that???
[10:04] <ndazza> glxgears is used as a sort of standard benchmark
[10:04] <_lucian> and is it good?
[10:04] <ndazza> to see if 1) OpenGL apps work and 2) you are getting the performance you expect from an openGL application
[10:05] <nikkia> _lucian: its not 'good' or 'bad', its just a way to tell if GL is accelerated or not
[10:05] <ndazza> if your fps is less than about a thousand something is probably broken
[10:05] <ndazza> and if it doesn't start it's definately broken
[10:05] <_lucian> now can i try some games?
[10:05] <nikkia> _lucian: sure
[10:06] <nikkia> 10k FPS is definitely accelerated :)
[10:06] <ndazza> _lucian: no, games are evil and rot your brain. but if you really want to we can't stop you... :p
[10:06] <mornfall> aftertaf: are you sure it was running in foreground? :)
[10:06] <ndazza> nikkia: it could be minimised or hidden by a window
[10:06] <nikkia> ndazza: it would still be lower if it was running in software, IME
[10:07] <nikkia> ndazza: i think my non-accelerated laptop gets about 1200fps if its minimised, and about 400fps if its a normal non-obscured window
[10:07] <ndazza> nikkia: not if....... he has recompiled glxgears to skip the actual drawing of the graphics. or if he's running on a cell cpu. or if......... i dunno i suppose you're right
[10:08] <_lucian> what are you talking about???
[10:08] <ndazza> i can't check cos breezy's glxgears doesn't give you an fps
[10:08] <ndazza> hehe
[10:08] <nikkia> ndazza: you're in to the realms of 'not trusting ANY glxgears output with those tho :)
[10:08] <nikkia> ndazza: and i doubt that it running on a cell would change it much, tbh
[10:09] <nikkia> ndazza: about all that could be offloaded on a SPE would be the T&L, but thats not usually where software GL is bottlenecked anyway
[10:09] <_lucian> do you have some more time to axplain me another problem that i have encounterd?
[10:09] <ndazza> nikkia: cells are optimised for parallel work... much like gfx cards
[10:09] <nalioth> nikkia: howdy
[10:09] <nikkia> ndazza: yes, but the SPEs in a cell aren't magic CPUs
[10:09] <ndazza> _lucian: if we don't someone else will probably pick it up
[10:09] <ndazza> _lucian: so ask away
[10:09] <_lucian> ok
[10:09] <nikkia> ndazza: they have a very finite set of things they are good for, software OpenGL wouldn't map very well
[10:09] <ndazza> nikkia: ok ok so there's no way he doesn't have acceleration :D
[10:10] <nikkia> morning nalioth
[10:10] <_lucian> after i installed the nforce drivers (audio and network) when booting, alsa reports no souncard!
[10:10] <_lucian> shoul i uninstall alsa?
[10:10] <nalioth> i suck. my glxgears shows 10.304
[10:10] <ndazza> i wonder... is the software gl multithreaded..
[10:11] <nikkia> ndazza: mesa? i don't think so
[10:11] <ndazza> nalioth: at least it says something
[10:11] <ndazza> nalioth: mine doesn't :'(
[10:13] <_lucian> no one answers my question
[10:13] <_lucian> ?
[10:13] <nikkia> ndazza: i'll tell you one place where you WILL see better mesa (software GL) performance - on a PPC - its very register heavy
[10:13] <nalioth> _lucian: no need to uninstall
[10:13] <_lucian> but what about that problem?
[10:13] <nalioth> nikkia: that's funny. i AM on a ppc
[10:13] <ndazza> PPC has more registers?
[10:14] <nikkia> ndazza: yes
[10:14] <nikkia> ndazza: 32 full width registers + 32 floating point registers
[10:14] <nalioth> and my glxgears score barely registers
[10:14] <ndazza> i didn't know that. you seem to know alot about cpus
[10:14] <nikkia> nalioth: what PPC? G3?
[10:14] <nalioth> nikkia: knows a lot about everything
[10:14] <Tm_T> hi kids
[10:14] <nalioth> nikkia: dual G5 powermac
[10:15] <nikkia> nalioth: odd
[10:15] <nikkia> nalioth: the G5 should be reasonably good at software GL, all considered
[10:15] <nikkia> nalioth: might just be that its terribly optimised, or a sign that the X driver stinks
[10:16] <nikkia> (terribly as in 'badly' not 'a lot')
[10:16] <ndazza> nikkia: so terribly unoptimised? :p
[10:16] <nalioth> nikkia: i understand how you meant it
[10:16] <nikkia> ndazza: the meaning flips still, depending on how you interpret 'terribly', lousy english language and its overridden words :)
[10:17] <nalioth> ndazza: plus nikkia speaks english-gb and i speak english-us
[10:17] <othomas> lol
[10:17] <ndazza> nalioth: i speak english-au, could be an interesting conversation
[10:18] <mornfall> nikkia: software gl is very slow on any cpu i know of
[10:18] <mornfall> nikkia: the problem is not computing power but fillrate
[10:18] <nalioth> ndazza: perhaps i should join #ubuntu-de or -fr
[10:18] <nikkia> mornfall: compared to hw, yes
[10:18] <mornfall> nikkia: even a cheap gpu has many times higher fill rate than any consumer cpu
[10:18] <nikkia> mornfall: but in theory, software GL on a decent CPU like a G5, should approach the level of hw GL on oldish hw
[10:19] <ndazza> nalioth: start your own, then you get to make up your own language
[10:19] <mornfall> nikkia: nah, that doesn't work like that
[10:19] <Gmp> hey
[10:19] <ndazza> mornfall: he's getting 10fps...
[10:19] <nikkia> mornfall: see, fillrate is one reason i'd have expected the G5 to fair better...
[10:19] <nikkia> mornfall: a 1GHz FSB counts for a lot
[10:19] <mornfall> ndazza: i get usually 4
[10:20] <ndazza> hmm, is that even useful for anything/
[10:20] <mornfall> nikkia: FSB is fine, but your memory is slow anyway :)
[10:21] <nikkia> mornfall: relatively speaking, compared to a modern GPU, yes
[10:21] <mornfall> nikkia: not to mention that the memory and fsb are both busy transferring normal data/code around
[10:21] <nalioth> is the 'nv' driver supposed to be hardware accellerative?
[10:21] <nikkia> nalioth: no
[10:21] <mornfall> nalioth: not for 3d
[10:22] <nikkia> nalioth: you want 'nvidia' for that, but afaik, they've never released linux PPC binaries
[10:22] <mornfall> nikkia: compared to my mga g450 from several years ago, too :)
[10:22] <Gmp> does anyone know how to get a usb drive working in kubuntu
[10:22] <nikkia> gmp, generally 'plug it in' :)
[10:22] <Gmp> won't work
[10:22] <Gmp> says "media:/sda1
[10:22] <Tm_T> plug in and use konqi to browse it ;)
[10:22] <Tm_T> :o
[10:22] <mornfall> nikkia: (before the dri/drm stuff got broken on mga, i got some 25 FPS on tuxracer 1024x768, which is hell lot more than you get with software)
[10:22] <Gmp> "says "media:/sda1 does not exist5"
[10:23] <ndazza> Gmp: try sudo mount /dev/sda1 /media/sda1
[10:23] <Gmp> without the 5
[10:23] <Gmp> okay
[10:23] <ndazza> you will probably need to create the directory /media/sda1 first
[10:23] <mornfall> nikkia: considering nontrivial portion of the gl api is emulated in software for mga, i just guess it boils down to the fillrate
[10:23] <nikkia> gmp, its possible you might have the crappy usb-storage driver loaded, in which case it'll be uba1 and likely not work (as the ub* driver is designed for memory cards, and doesn't handle a lot else)
[10:23] <nalioth> i take it nvidia is a binary only x86 driver?
[10:24] <nikkia> nalioth: unless nvidia has released a PPC version recently, yes
[10:24] <ndazza> nalioth: yes
[10:24] <ndazza> i think there's an AMD64 driver out now too
[10:24] <nikkia> and no, they haven't :/
[10:25] <mornfall> ndazza: when it was new, it was hell slower than x86... no idea if it's fixed already
[10:25] <mornfall> anyway, food time
[10:25] <nalioth> i have this available. what is it? >> nvidia-kernel-common
[10:25] <Gmp> it worked fine in ubuntu
[10:25] <ndazza> mornfall: i could try it... but i'd have to install a 64bit distro first
[10:25] <Gmp> but not in kubuntu
[10:25] <nikkia> nalioth: surprising :)
[10:25] <aftertaf> nalioth> i cant get the ubuntu nvidia stuff to work. i have to use nvidia.run binary
[10:25] <nikkia> nalioth: the mind boggles as to what that actually does on PPC
[10:26] <nalioth> i installed hoary on this when i got it
[10:26] <nalioth> hoary chose nv for the driver
[10:26] <nalioth> i've got a really nice nvidia card in it, and (in my testosterone driven fashion) would like to have more use out of it
[10:27] <nikkia> nalioth: there's not much you can do, apart from petition nvidia, like most other linux ppc users
[10:27] <nikkia> nvidia haven't listened so far, tho
[10:28] <aftertaf> nalioth> we're getting a lot of bots in ubuntu chan...
[10:28] <nalioth> aftertaf: "lot of bots" means you need windshield wipers to see the actual chat going on
[10:28] <aftertaf> oki :)
[10:31] <nalioth> anyway, i havent seen anthing in Tiger with its "quartz rendering" that makes me drool
[10:31] <ndazza> does anyone here use kopete as their irc client?
[10:31] <nikkia> now, that... is...a...first
[10:31] <nikkia> spam, trying to sell me.... monkeys
[10:31] <nalioth> nikkia: as opposed to monkeys trying to see you spam?
[10:32] <nalioth> er sell you spam?
[10:32] <Gmp> mount: /dev/sda1 is already mounted or /media/sda1 is busy
[10:32] <nikkia> nalioth: i've never had spam selling monkeys before tho, very unusual
[10:32] <ndazza> Gmp: type mount | grep sda1
[10:33] <nalioth> nikkia: you're not set +CE ?
[10:33] <nikkia> nalioth: i mean email spam
[10:34] <nalioth> nikkia: alrighty then
[10:38] <klerm> hi
[10:38] <ice> how can i active the daemon of telnetd? 
[10:38] <klerm> i dont know
[10:39] <klerm> how r u?
[10:39] <ice> without modify of the services file from kde
[10:39] <klerm> 
[10:39] <ice> fine but with problems
[10:39] <ice> :D
[10:39] <klerm> me too
[10:39] <klerm> were u now?
[10:40] <ice> in spain
[10:40] <ice> :D
[10:40] <klerm> sure?
[10:40] <Gmp> m
[10:40] <Gmp> grr
[10:40] <klerm> grr u!
[10:41] <Gmp> it won't let me past thingy
[10:41] <ice> yes klerm i am sure i am spanish :D
[10:41] <Gmp> ahh
[10:41] <ice> gmp you know how active telnet daemon in kubuntu?
[10:41] <ndazza> ice: i think you need to put a line in /etc/inetd.conf
[10:42] <Gmp> :      /dev/sda1 on /media/sda1 type vfat (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev,quiet,shortname=winnt,vid=1000,gid=1000,vmask=077,locharset=ctfs)
[10:42] <ndazza> yay! looks like that was done automatically too
[10:42] <ice> i go to try
[10:43] <ice> ndazza dont have the /etc/inetd.conf
[10:44] <ice> ndazz i found it what line i need add?
[10:44] <ndazza> ice: try this: telnet stream tcp nowait root /usr/bin/telnetd
[10:45] <ndazza> ice: you have installed the telnetd package?
[10:45] <ice> yes
[10:45] <ice> i installed telnetd
[10:45] <ndazza> ice: i just installed telnetd then and i'm able to connect without configuring it
[10:46] <ice> i cant 
[10:46] <ice> i will test with the line
[10:46] <ndazza> ice: installing the package added this line to my inetd.conf:
[10:46] <ndazza> telnet          stream  tcp     nowait  telnetd.telnetd /usr/sbin/tcpd  /usr/sbin/in.telnetd
[10:46] <ice> not to me :D
[10:47] <ndazza> bad luck :) you obviously didn't insert a 20c piece first
[10:47] <ndazza> oh... that's probably an australianism
[10:47] <ice> :D
[10:47] <ice> i will write the lines
[10:47] <ice> to test
[10:48] <ndazza> ice: you should really use ssh for most things these days...
[10:48] <Tm_T> ssh & sshfs <3
[10:50] <ice> ndazza it works very thanks ;)
[10:50] <ndazza> ice: no probs
[10:55] <Gmp> so how do i get it working
[10:58] <ndazza> Gmp: the usb stick?
[10:58] <ndazza> Gmp: just fire up konqueror and enter /media/sda1 and there it is
[10:59] <Gmp> um, k
[11:00] <Gmp> Cool, it works now, thanks =D
[11:01] <ndazza> no probs. when ur done, it will be safest to use umount /media/sda1
[11:02] <Gmp> if i do that, will i have to re mount it every time i plug it in
[11:03] <aftertaf> Gmp> is it in fstab?
[11:03] <ndazza> you shouldn't have had to in the first place, i'm not sure what the problem was
[11:08] <Spermite> he following packages have unmet dependencies:
[11:08] <Spermite>   kaffeine: Depends: kdelibs4 (>= 4:3.3.2-4.0.2) but it is not going to be installed
[11:08] <Spermite>             Depends: libqt3c102-mt (>= 3:3.3.4) but it is not going to be installed
[11:08] <Spermite> E: Broken packages
[11:09] <Tm_T> kaffeine :/
[11:10] <Spermite> =0( theres aloy of things i cant get
[11:11] <Tm_T> breezy?
[11:12] <ndazza> i had the same with hoary the other weekend, on about 3 machines - installing ubuntu-desktop and kubuntu-desktop
[11:12] <Tm_T> strange
[11:12] <othomas> kaffeine installed on hoary for me
[11:12] <aftertaf> Spermite> you are on Sid.... it is like that a lot
[11:13] <Spermite> sid?
[11:13] <Gmp> how do i install wine
[11:14] <ndazza> Gmp: apt-get install wine winesetuptk winetools
[11:14] <ndazza> i think
[11:14] <ndazza> oh with sudo
[11:14] <ndazza> at the start
[11:14] <Gmp> i've got it
[11:14] <Gmp> i just downloaded it and extracted it
[11:14] <Gmp> it's just thousands of files
[11:15] <ndazza> Gmp: you probably have the source. use the package manager instead, it will save you some pain
[11:15] <Gmp> i am veeery linux noob
[11:15] <Gmp> i don't know how to compile it =(
[11:16] <ndazza> open up synaptic
[11:16] <ndazza> search for wine
[11:16] <ndazza> and install all the packages you see
[11:17] <Gmp> What is synaptic?
[11:17] <ndazza> the package manager that comes with ubuntu...
[11:17] <ndazza> anyone here know what the kde one is?
[11:18] <ndazza> well, just hit alt+f2 and type 'synaptic'
[11:18] <nalioth> ndazza: kynaptic or adept
[11:18] <ndazza> nalioth: installed by default?
[11:18] <nalioth> ndazza: kynaptic is the more common one
[11:18] <ndazza> ok thanks
[11:19] <Gmp> so...
[11:19] <Gmp> kynaptic?
[11:19] <ndazza> Gmp: k menu->system->package manager (whichever one is there)
[11:19] <Gmp> okay
[11:20] <ndazza> ew! kynaptic is crap
[11:20] <pointwood> use adebt
[11:20] <after8> ndazza> i agree.... so go adept or synaptic
[11:20] <after8> adept is kde compliant
[11:20] <after8> :D
[11:21] <ndazza> pointwood: adept uninstallable in breezy
[11:21] <mornfall> damn?
[11:21] <after8> ndazza> update and try again
[11:21] <after8> i am breezing with it now :D
[11:21] <pointwood> well, then use synaptic
[11:21] <ndazza> after8: hehe.. ohh.. i actualyl have my own mirror. i will have to rsync the updates
[11:21] <mornfall> erk-sync? :)
[11:21] <ndazza> i suppose it's not for me anyway. Gmp, looks like you should try adept
[11:22] <Gmp> where is adept?
[11:22] <after8> your own mirror. wow thats posh ;p
[11:22] <ndazza> after8: i set it up for software freedom day
[11:22] <ndazza> Gmp: you will probably need to install it. go to a console and type sudo apt-get install adept
[11:23] <ndazza> Gmp: after that you can use a GUI for all your package management stuff
[11:23] <Gmp> the computer that has it doesn't have internet
[11:23] <ndazza> oh. i see
[11:23] <Gmp> which makes things really difficult>:{
[11:23] <ndazza> i bet
[11:23] <after8> deb http://pdx.freedesktop.org/~mornfall/adept/breezy/ ./ 
[11:23] <after8> Gmp> ^^^^^^^
[11:23] <mornfall> after8: is that still needed?
[11:23] <Gmp> whats that
[11:23] <after8> mornfall> i have no idea :D
[11:23] <ndazza> ohhhhh so that's why you downloaded the wine source
[11:24] <Gmp> DOes kynaptic still work?
[11:24] <ndazza> Gmp: not without internet no :)
[11:25] <Gmp> but i have wine
[11:25] <Gmp> it's on the desktiop
[11:25] <ndazza> Gmp: well, it will work with the cds
[11:25] <Gmp> argh, where is setup.exe
[11:25] <ndazza> Gmp: hehehe that's what the package manager is for
[11:26] <ndazza> Gmp: the easiest way to get wine would be to get the .deb files you need onto the computer and install them with a package manager
[11:26] <Gmp> i have hundreds of files
[11:26] <ndazza> Gmp: the other thing you can do is try to build it with the source you have there
[11:26] <Gmp> but i don't know how to use them
[11:26] <Gmp> how do i build it
[11:26] <ndazza> Gmp: open up a console, change to the directory and type ./configure && make && make install
[11:27] <Gmp> okay
[11:27] <after8> Gmp> sudo make install at the end is needed :)
[11:28] <nalioth> ndazza: the easiest way is to install wine from the repos (unless i've missed something)
[11:28] <Gmp> ..
[11:28] <ndazza> nalioth: indeed you have. no internet on the box in question
[11:28] <Gmp> in wine there is lots of folders
[11:28] <Gmp> which one do i cd to
[11:28] <nalioth> ndazza: use apt-zip
[11:28] <ndazza> where you are shold be ok
[11:28] <ndazza> nalioth: never heard of it. u wanna tell him how to do it?
[11:29] <Gmp> i unzipped wine to /home/nick/desktop/wine
[11:29] <ndazza> oh i have to leave now anyway. Gmp you should run those commands from that directory then
[11:29] <ndazza> gtg sorry!
[11:29] <nalioth> open a term and type "man apt-zip" or google "manpage apt-zip"
[11:29] <Gmp> bye ndazza
[11:29] <_pedri2> i have setup kubuntu on a public computer and want to disable kwallet, how do i do it?
[11:30] <_pedri2> the computer should not be able to store passwords
[11:32] <after8> _pedri2> have you consulted the kwallet doc anywhere?
[11:33] <_pedri2> after8: gee that was easy. thanks 
[11:34] <after8> was it in there?
[11:34] <_pedri2> yes in control center
[11:34] <_pedri2> i just disabled the kde wallet subsystem
[11:36] <after8> hehe :D nice one.
[11:38] <Gmp> i have no C compiler 
[11:38] <_pedri2> sudo apt-get install gcc
[11:39] <Gmp> no internet
[11:40] <_pedri2> Gmp: how are you able to chat with us now?
[11:40] <Gmp> no internet on my computer with linux
[11:40] <nalioth> Gmp: you'll need more than gcc
[11:40] <_pedri2> if i recall you don't have to connect to the internet to install gcc
[11:40] <Gmp> how then
[11:40] <Gmp> it just comes out of no where?
[11:40] <Gmp> or install cd?
[11:41] <after8> cant you setup connection sharing?
[11:41] <after8> Kamping_Kaiser> back to Kamping_Kaiser today then ?? :D
[11:41] <Kamping_Kaiser> after8: if you insist ;)
[11:42] <after8> prefer kk though.. it tabs better :D
[11:42] <`6og> lol.
[11:42] <_pedri2> Gmp: after i installed kubuntu i just tried sudo apt-get install gcc without any internet connection and it worked
[11:42] <`6og> yeh, i do as well for most purposes :)
[11:43] <after8> Gmp> install cd, yes.
[11:43] <after8> the cd is an apt source too :D
[11:44] <mornfall> Kamping_Kaiser: where'd you camp, emperor? :)
[11:45] <Kamping_Kaiser> mornfall:i dont camp. i got the camping bit from a flash animation called 'counterstick'
[11:46] <Kamping_Kaiser> its a long story in full ;) but basicly a character in the animation is called carl, and he camps. im also called Karl ::)
[11:46] <kakalto> anyone running opera under kubuntu here?
[11:46] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi kakalto
[11:46] <kakalto> heya kaiser
[11:47] <Kamping_Kaiser> :) not bad. self?
[11:47] <kakalto> not good :)
[11:48] <Kamping_Kaiser> so should that be :) or :( ?
[11:48] <Kamping_Kaiser> ;)
[11:48] <kakalto> or perhaps :'(
[11:48] <Kamping_Kaiser> :-/
[11:49] <after8> or even $%={()
[11:49] <after8> but that looks painfu
[11:49] <after8> l
[11:49] <kakalto> >.<"
[11:49] <Kamping_Kaiser> *}{*
[11:51] <setite> hey how do i control kde
[11:51] <Kamping_Kaiser> dark magic :)
[11:51] <setite> like when i go to settings in konqueror... how do i run those apps in sudo
[11:51] <setite> they always have the options greyed out due to not running sudo/root
[11:52] <kakalto> if you just run kcontrol, isn't there a button to go sudo?
[11:52] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi fluffybunny_ 
[11:52] <setite> i dunno what kcontrol is
[11:52] <fluffybunny_> Kamping_Kaiser: hello
[11:52] <Kamping_Kaiser> :)
[11:52] <after8> setite> looooool dark magic
[11:53] <fluffybunny_> anyone here using konversation?
[11:53] <`6o1> not me sorry fluffybunny_
[11:54] <`60g> better
[11:54] <fluffybunny_> all gaim users?
[11:54] <setite> xchat here
[11:54] <setite> but xchat doens tso what i want
[11:54] <setite> i want one that smart auto identifies
[11:54] <kakalto> I get annoyed with the gaim irc interface
[11:54] <setite> or i need a way to delay my autojoin until after identifying...
[11:54] <kakalto> 'cause it's too.... IM
[11:54] <setite> but i dont like scripts...
[11:55] <setite> no one know how to edit stuff in kde?
[11:55] <setite> i need to configure my netgear ma111
[11:55] <kakalto> did you try kcontrol?
[11:55] <setite> what is that
[11:55] <setite> oh that thing
[11:55] <setite> grrr.... but ok
[11:56] <nida> nick reine
[11:56] <setite> ok it wont go into admin mode...
[11:57] <setite> do i have to set a root password
[11:57] <fluffybunny_> setite: what do you mean by smart auto identify?
[11:57] <setite> ill just sudo it.. duh... i feel stupid
[11:57] <Gmp> Error C compiler cannot create executable
[11:57] <setite> fluffybunny_, xchat automatically sends the nick identify... and it doenst always work in time to join the chatroom... 
[11:58] <fluffybunny_> i autoidentify using konversation - works fine by me... (no problems btw identify, join)
[11:58] <fluffybunny_> setite: ^^^
[11:58] <setite> !wifi
[11:58] <ubotu> wifi is probably https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WiFiHowto
[11:58] <setite> how do i
[11:58] <setite> the people in ubuntu wouldnt help me with konversation
[11:58] <fluffybunny_> i found that the gaim interface is very limited in the commands you can use
[11:58] <setite> and that day this room was dead
[11:58] <ndazza> Gmp: did you get wine running?
[11:58] <setite> i agree about the gaim
[11:59] <ndazza> setite: yeah they wouldn't...
[11:59] <setite> if you require a minimal amount of apps then its ok... but thats all
[11:59] <fluffybunny_> setite: i can probably help with konversation... what help do you need?
[11:59] <setite> ndazza, yes i get the k-haters in there
[11:59] <nalioth> k-haters?
[11:59] <ndazza> one day they will realise the power of the K
[11:59] <fluffybunny_> what is this schism between k and non-k?
[11:59] <setite> fluffybunny_, auto nickserv identifying so that when i auto join ubuntu it wont send me to ubuntu-unregged
[12:00] <nalioth> i dont hate "k"
[12:00] <Kamping_Kaiser> nalioth: niether, my name starts with it ;)
[12:00] <setite> nalioth some people in there reply " i wont use anythign with a k in front of it"
[12:00] <Kamping_Kaiser> i just dont like kde :)
[12:00] <fluffybunny_> setite: yep, konversation works great for that - i have only tried konversation and gaim (dunno what you are using), but I got it working in both
[12:00] <ndazza> kopete is okay...
[12:00] <fluffybunny_> we should be like "i won't use anything with g in front"
[12:00] <fluffybunny_> ;p
[12:01] <nalioth> rox-filer, anyone?
[12:01] <ndazza> fluffybunny_: unfortunately that cuts out gtk, which lots of stuff depends on hehe
[12:01] <mornfall> nalioth: that's not open-minded that's pragmatic :)
[12:01] <setite> xchat
[12:01] <fluffybunny_> hmm, didn't think about that nalioth 
[12:01] <setite> it only works if the server pauses during the logon
[12:01] <ndazza> i'm open-minded, as long as it's open-source
[12:02] <nalioth> setite: i can fix you up
[12:02] <fluffybunny_> setite: i can help you with gaim and konversation... never used xchat (sorry)
[12:02] <nalioth> setite: in your server settings, put your password in "server password" NOT nickserv password
[12:02] <ndazza> and patent-free, trademarks aren't used aggressively and copyright is cared for.. not so much to ask!
[12:02] <setite> nalioth, for x?
[12:03] <nalioth> setite: x what?
[12:03] <setite> brb
[12:03] <nalioth> setite: you said you used xchat
[12:03] <fluffybunny_> in gaim: under Accounts, add your NickServ password (enclosed in <> so <yourpassword>) ==> that works for me
[12:03] <fluffybunny_> setite: ^^^
[12:05] <nalioth> setite: ?
[12:05] <setite> ok that worked fine
[12:05] <setite> ok now onto working my wifi
[12:05] <setite> !wifi
[12:05] <ubotu> I guess wifi is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WiFiHowto
[12:05] <fluffybunny_> setite: in xchat?
[12:05] <setite> nah it konversation now
[12:05] <setite> i wasnt sure what nalioth meant when he was telling me about server password
[12:06] <fluffybunny_> konversation is kool - all the IRC commands work 
[12:06] <setite> but i found the option for it in conversation
[12:06] <setite> do they
[12:06] <fluffybunny_> like /hop #channelname etc etc
[12:06] <setite> we'll test that
[12:06] <setite> does /server -m work
[12:06] <nalioth> setite: so you are fixed up now?
[12:06] <fluffybunny_> try it?
[12:06] <setite> nope it doesnt
[12:06] <fluffybunny_> lol
[12:06] <fluffybunny_> what does it do?
[12:06] <setite> must be a mIRC specific thing
[12:07] <setite> it goes to server -m
[12:07] <setite> on mirc it stands for multipe
[12:07] <setite> multiple
[12:07] <Gmp> no wine not work
[12:07] <setite> so you can join another server and stay connected to current one
[12:07] <fluffybunny_> sorry - must be mIRC... konversation at least supports more /commands than gaim though...
[12:07] <setite> oh yea gaim is a joke
[12:07] <Chousuke> any of the /commands are just aliases.
[12:07] <Kamping_Kaiser> gaim is a jack of all trades
[12:07] <Kamping_Kaiser> master of none ;)
[12:08] <Chousuke> irc itself has only a few. 
[12:08] <fluffybunny_> setite: gaim is great for IM, not so great for IRC
[12:08] <setite> master of none.. exactl
[12:08] <setite> y
[12:08] <Chousuke> irssi for the win!
[12:08] <setite> i think it finally transfers files over aim
[12:08] <Kamping_Kaiser> i use it for eveything
[12:08] <setite> when i used it on warty it didnt
[12:08] <setite> irssi pfft
[12:08] <fluffybunny_> i like gaim for IM - mostly cause I can log in to all of my accounts (unlike, eg, yahoo, vs msn messenger)
[12:08] <setite> im sorry but i have no need for irssi or vi or all that old school
[12:08] <setite> i use kopete
[12:08] <Chousuke> does any other irc client have anything like recode?
[12:08] <setite> i like the customization of the chat
[12:09] <mornfall> irssi > *
[12:09] <Chousuke> irssi is customisable. :)
[12:09] <Gmp> gcc doesn't work
[12:09] <setite> i hate how the wikis are always for ubuntu/gnome
[12:09] <setite> they need a kde version
[12:09] <mornfall> because ubuntu is a gnome distribution
[12:09] <setite> im aware of that
[12:10] <fluffybunny_> ok, i take it all back about the commands in konversation (/hop doesn't work)
[12:10] <setite> my point remains
[12:10] <mornfall> what did you expect then?
[12:10] <ndazza> fluffybunny_: try kopete
[12:10] <nalioth> irssi is not "old school"
[12:10] <setite> yay my ma111 is a prism
[12:10] <Chousuke> fluffybunny_: which /hop? P
[12:10] <setite> its text based is it not?
[12:10] <fluffybunny_> ndazza: what is kopete?
[12:10] <ndazza> kde's gaim
[12:10] <nalioth> setite: yes it is
[12:10] <fluffybunny_> Chousuke: /hop #kubuntu
[12:10] <setite> fluffybunny_: kde gaim type app
[12:10] <Chousuke> it can mean hallf-opiing something or leaving the channel and joining it.
[12:10] <mornfall> setite: dude, people are using irssi on winders and osx...
[12:10] <setite> msn, aim, yahoo, bla bla
[12:11] <setite> it may not be old... but it is old school
[12:11] <mornfall> setite: msn, jabber, icq here (on irssi)
[12:11] <setite> ok the only thing i miss on gnome is the network app
[12:11] <Chousuke> the thing with irssi is that you can access it from anywhere.
[12:11] <Chousuke> no gui client can do that.
[12:12] <fluffybunny_> setite: comes with kde by default?
[12:12] <ndazza> setite: you can use it under kde i think
[12:12] <setite> fluffybunny_: yes
[12:12] <mornfall> Chousuke: irssi 2 in theory can :)
[12:12] <mornfall> Chousuke: not seen it in practice yet
[12:12] <ndazza> is irssi much different from centericq?
[12:12] <fluffybunny_> setite: run it from the CL: kopete?
[12:12] <Chousuke> irssi2 is not an irc client :P
[12:12] <setite> ndazza: i just need to find something lik eit... dmesg shows my ma111 loaded...
[12:12] <setite> fluffybunny_: probably... also under the internet apps
[12:12] <Chousuke> it's a multi-protocol client proxy thingamajig
[12:12] <ndazza> setite: i have no idea what that is!
[12:12] <mornfall> Chousuke: well, i'm currently using irssi-proxy anyway :)
[12:13] <Chousuke> heh.
[12:13] <setite> ndazza: usb wifi adaptor... i need to configure it... but im just gonna start with the ifconfigs
[12:13] <fluffybunny_> setite: i have xchat, gaim and konverstaion... no kopete
[12:13] <Chousuke> Irssi is THE irc client. ;/
[12:14] <setite> you should
[12:14] <Chousuke> recode only makes it vastly superior to any other. :)
[12:14] <setite> it came with my kde default
[12:15] <mornfall> Chousuke: recode is available in almost any irc client out there, eh?
[12:15] <mornfall> (definitely in konvi)
[12:15] <Chousuke> I haven't found it then
[12:16] <Chousuke> And I don't use KDE anyway. :/
[12:16] <setite> brb.. maybe restarting x will help
[12:18] <setite> ok still not working
[12:18] <setite> time to check the forum
[12:19] <ndazza> setite: forums should really be the first place you check :)
[12:19] <ndazza> well, google then forums
[12:19] <setite> they are the second...
[12:19] <setite> i check the wiki first
[12:19] <ml--> anyone experienced problems with nic broadcom bcm4401-b0 (not wireless)
[12:19] <setite> but less and less as im starting to dislike it
[12:20] <ml--> (in kubuntu 5.10 preview)
[12:25] <setite> dude if i have to use ndiswrapper im going back to windoze... because someoen in ubuntu suggested this as a fully functional adapter
[12:25] <Gmp> How do i make gcc work
[12:25] <fluffybunny_> where are the forums?
[12:25] <setite> ubuntuforums dot org
[12:26] <fluffybunny_> cool
[12:35] <serpie> Does Kubuntu automatically login as root!?
[12:35] <Kamping_Kaiser> no
[12:36] <serpie> So I will still need to type in su and pass to install something?
[12:36] <nalioth> serpie: use "kdesu <command>" for kde stuff
[12:37] <nalioth> serpie: use "sudo <command>" for console apps
[12:37] <nalioth> serpie: using sudo on kde stuff can ravage your userspace
[12:37] <nalioth> serpie: change your homedir permissions and such
[12:37] <nalioth> !tell serpie about root
[12:38] <serpie> Okay, thanks.
[12:47] <Gmp> someone talk plz
[12:47] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol.
[12:47] <after8> boing
[12:48] <fluffybunny_> um, i saved something to my desktop (like I would normally in gnome), and its there in my ~/Desktop (if I browse there in konqueror) but I can't see it?
[12:48] <fluffybunny_> on the desktop, i mean ^^^
[12:49] <darkwave> Hi
[12:49] <darkwave> Someone already tried Kubuntu 5.10?
[12:50] <darkwave> I have problems  with Java...
[12:50] <Kamping_Kaiser> fluffybunny_: has the desktop crashed? (konqueror is kdes equivilant to gnomes nautilus?)
[12:50] <fluffybunny_> Kamping_Kaiser: i don't think so? (you mean the nice background with icons and stuff? <--- no, its still there)
[12:50] <Gmp> gcc still doesn't work >:{
[12:51] <Kamping_Kaiser> fluffybunny_: bugger, that would have been a quick fix ;)
[12:51] <fluffybunny_> Kamping_Kaiser: i saved a tarball to the desktop (firefox) and the icon has not appeared. I've refreshed - no luck
[12:53] <Kamping_Kaiser> fluffybunny_: has it 'hidden' behind another icon?
[12:53] <Gmp> press f5
[12:54] <fluffybunny_> Kamping_Kaiser: nope
[12:55] <fluffybunny_> Gmp: I've refreshed...
[12:55] <ice> cya and thanks
[12:56] <Gmp> man iom browe
[12:56] <Gmp> man im broed
[12:56] <fluffybunny_> weirderer and weirderer
[12:57] <fluffybunny_> oh well... 
[12:57] <fluffybunny_> next question: how do I open a frame in konqueror to show folders (kind of like in WinXP)
[12:59] <Gmp> i dunno
[01:00] <Kamping_Kaiser> fluffybunny_: look for an option like 'tree view' or similar iirc
[01:01] <fluffybunny_> Kamping_Kaiser: is good, but not quite what I am looking for...
[01:01] <Kamping_Kaiser> mm ok..
[01:02] <GuERo> Hi, When change the properties of source and color of the clock of the KDE bar is created a file clock_panelapplet_kubuntu_rc..  Single in that file keep the properties from the clock?  because I copy in /usr/share... kubuntu/..config/ so that it puts all the users equal who are created and he does not work, it remains with the clock by default without color neither special font nor nothing.
[01:02] <othomas> fluffy, open a new window and click "home"
[01:03] <fluffybunny_> aha! i got it --> show the "navigation bar"
[01:04] <othomas> kk
[01:04] <fluffybunny_> thanks
[01:04] <GuERo> when I can see de process make off "exec kdestart" ?
[01:04] <after8> fluffybunny_> hit F9 :)
[01:05] <fluffybunny_> after8: for what?
[01:05] <fluffybunny_> after8: which problem, i mean :)
[01:06] <fluffybunny_> after8: ah, the navigation panel --> thanks
[01:06] <after8> yep, hotkey :D
[01:12] <fluffybunny_> kde is so much prettier than gnome! i'm really glad I switched
[01:12] <after8> !start a desktop war
[01:12] <ubotu> e is much better than xfce!
[01:13] <after8> i agree so much fluffybunny_ 
[01:13] <nalioth> fluffybunny_: try enlightenment on breezy
[01:13] <after8> nalioth> really?
[01:13] <nalioth> yes, enlightenment 0.17 aka e17
[01:14] <nalioth> the one everyone has been waiting for
[01:14] <fluffybunny_> nalioth: i haven't upgraded yet (not enough bandwith)
[01:14] <fluffybunny_> nalioth: does enlightenment come as default?
[01:14] <nalioth> fluffybunny_: patience
[01:14] <fluffybunny_> nalioth: :)
[01:15] <after8> nalioth> like for years and years? cooooool
[01:15] <nalioth> fluffybunny_: i dont have breezy on all my machines
[01:15] <after8> even i had heard of that one :D
[01:15] <nalioth> fluffybunny_: and it's still very rough
[01:15] <fluffybunny_> after8: like for October 10
[01:15] <fluffybunny_> nalioth: as in, not quite stable?
[01:15] <nalioth> !info enlightenment breezy
[01:15] <ubotu> enlightenment: (The Enlightenment Window Manager), section universe/x11, is optional. Version: 1:0.16.6-3ubuntu2 (breezy), Packaged size: 436 kB, Installed size: 1160 kB
[01:15] <nalioth> fluffybunny_: as in rough around the edges
[01:15] <nalioth> fluffybunny_: this is the 'report bugs' period
[01:16] <fluffybunny_> nalioth: ah
[01:16] <fluffybunny_> nalioth: i see
[01:17] <nalioth> fluffybunny_: 100s of updates daily. some break things, some fix things, some break things that were fixed
[01:17] <fluffybunny_> bbs
[01:18] <spiral> hi
[01:19] <after8> lu spiral 
[01:19] <spiral> after8: :-)
[01:20] <spiral> congratulations for the new kdm splash
[01:21] <after8> breezy nice huh? :D
[01:21] <spiral> after8: yeah, really :-)
[01:22] <spiral> everything's doing fine for the moment
[01:23] <nalioth> except fluffybunny|AWAY has gone plumb loony
[01:23] <after8> totally :)
[01:23] <after8> blowing in the breeze
[01:25] <tucoz> Hi, I just updated my xorg and kde installation using synaptic. Now, I need to find out what resolution I am running at. How do I do this?
[01:25] <tucoz> using hoary
[01:26] <nalioth> visit a wallpaper site?
[01:26] <tucoz> Hmm, that will not work
[01:26] <spiral> tucoz: hmmm, xdpyinfo in shell
[01:26] <tucoz> It just seems as if I am running at a lower resolution than before. But, I am not sure
[01:27] <tucoz> spiral, thanks I'll try that
[01:27] <tucoz> ...that is if I had that
[01:27] <spiral> tucoz: don't have the command xdpyinfo ?
[01:27] <tucoz> i'll apt-get it
[01:27] <othomas> just go into "adjust display" it will say current resolution
[01:28] <tucoz> othomas, ok. Where do I find that?
[01:28] <spiral> tucoz: kcontrol
[01:28] <othomas> sec
[01:28] <tucoz> thanks
[01:28] <tucoz> I found it. Hmm, it was the same resolution. Something happend to my fonts. They are _huge_ atm
[01:29] <othomas> kinfo center..X-Server
[01:29] <spiral> tucoz: have this problem with nvidia too...
[01:29] <spiral> tucoz: I had to decrease my fonts size in apps
[01:30] <tucoz> spiral: yes, that is what I am doing right now. Wonder what happened. Anyway, thanks for the help spiral and othomas
[01:30] <othomas> ur welcome
[01:30] <spiral> tucoz: 're welcome
[01:30] <spiral> gotta eat now... 'bye
[01:31] <othomas> cya
[01:31] <tucoz> byt
[01:31] <tucoz> bye
[01:31] <tucoz> :)
[01:36] <`Nomad> hi..   What's the feeling on upgrading to Breezy? 
[01:36] <CaiN_SA> good
[01:36] <CaiN_SA> its l33t
[01:36] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[01:36] <`Nomad> :)
[01:37] <`Nomad> And I read it's better to do it from CD rather than through apt-get
[01:37] <Kamping_Kaiser> o_0
[01:37] <CaiN_SA> well i use kde
[01:37] <CaiN_SA> and 
[01:37] <CaiN_SA> all is 120%
[01:39] <`Nomad> good, I'll be considering it then :)
[01:39] <`Nomad> thanks
[01:39] <Kamping_Kaiser> same with this install, but my main desktop has had the odd issue :)
[01:41] <kakalto> you know what? I need to return to kubuntu.
[01:41] <kakalto> Ever since I broke up with her, all has not been well.
[01:41] <kakalto> SUSE is too skanky
[01:41] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol.
[01:41] <kakalto> not everything works
[01:41] <kakalto> on kubuntu, everything worked, granted, with a bit of messing around
[01:42] <nikkia> kakalto: don't anthropromorphize distributions, they don't like it
[01:42] <kakalto> I dunno what that means, but sorry?
[01:43] <nikkia> kakalto: anthropromorphize - the act of treating an inanimate object as a living creature
[01:43] <kakalto> oh right
[01:43] <nikkia> and its an old joke... 'don't anthropromorphize rocks, they don't like it'
[01:43] <kakalto> who says they don't like it? have you ever asked them? :X
[01:43] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol. 
[01:44] <nikkia> see, the second half of the sentance 'they don't like it' is anthropromorphizing the item in the first half of the sentance
[01:44] <kakalto> hehe
[01:44] <kakalto> *CLICK*
[01:44] <kakalto> I'm a little slow tonight, k guys?
[01:44] <wildman> they is also used for objects
[01:44] <nikkia> (inanimate objects, such as rocks or distributions, cannot 'like' or 'dislike' something, as that is an emotion, something inanimate objects don't have)
[01:45] <kakalto> yeah :)
[01:45] <nikkia> wildman, its the 'like' that is the anthropromorphism
[01:45] <wildman> nikkia: yeah, gotcha
[01:45] <kakalto> I am looking forward to kubuntu.
[01:45] <kakalto> err
[01:45] <kakalto> breezy
[01:46] <wildman> BTW, just installed kubuntu5.04 here. I leave my machine on all day long, and I've noticed (now it's stopped) hard disk activity (intense activity) even when there wasn't anything (apparently) running. ideas?
[01:46] <nikkia> wildman, probably swapping
[01:46] <wildman> (FYI, it's 8:46AM here, so I just woke up, this happened during the night, or early morning)
[01:46] <after8> wildman> benchpressing and stopping from being bored?
[01:47] <wildman> I was thinking more about some automatic check or something like that, any ideas?
[01:47] <nikkia> wildman, however, if the activity is just after you started using the machine, that is vaguely normal
[01:47] <wildman> like a cronjob running a script to check something
[01:47] <kakalto> wildman, you'd get pretty bored just sitting there too, wouldn't ya?
[01:47] <fluffybunny_> nalioth: why did I go loony?
[01:47] <nikkia> wildman, it could be, but most of those run in the dark hours like 4am
[01:47] <wildman> nikkia: didn't power off my machine
[01:47] <kakalto> gotta do something to pass time :)
[01:47] <nalioth> fluffybunny_: rapid nick changes are a sign
[01:48] <nikkia> wildman: no, i mean, if you come to a machine that has been idle for 3 hours, and wiggle the mouse, disk activity for a few seconds is normal
[01:48] <wildman> nikkia: well... maybe it did start at 4am, or 5, 6, 7 and just finished around 8AM :P
[01:48] <fluffybunny_> nalioth: sorry - I was experimenting with settings in konversation
[01:48] <wildman> nikkia: didn't move anything, it was like that before I touched the keyboard/mouse
[01:48] <nikkia> wildman: see, when you're not using the machine, memory 'in use' will get paged out, and when you 'wake the machine/apps' up again, that memory will be paged back in again
[01:48] <after8> fluffybunny_> /nick fluffy_madProfessor     :D
[01:48] <nalioth> fluffybunny_: rapid nick changes are also a sign of impending channel attack from that user (on some networks)(keep that in mind)
[01:49] <wildman> nikkia: I know, I know ;-) I'm not a noobie ;)
[01:49] <fluffybunny_> nalioth: omg, i feel like such a n00b
[01:49] <nikkia> wildman: its possible, the locate database gets updated on an anacron task, and that can take a few hours if you're unlucky
[01:49] <wildman> nikkia: this sounded to me a bit more like some auto-check... but I dunno which one
[01:49] <wildman> nikkia: oh, maybe it was that one, indeed... thx. I'll keep an eye anyway ;)
[01:49] <fluffybunny_> nalioth: i usually frequent channels like this, which have very little but text --> as opposed to, say #beginner in Undernet
[01:49] <nalioth> fluffybunny_: we are all new users at something
[01:50] <fluffybunny_> nalioth: :)
[01:50] <nalioth> fluffybunny_: i dont frequent anything but freenode
[01:50] <nikkia> wildman: doing a ps -aux should indicate if 'find' is running anywhere, that'd be a sign that either the locate db is getting updated, or that one of the security checks (the permisions/dead-links check usually) is running
[01:50] <nikkia> morning apokryphos
[01:50] <apokryphos> well, I only ever went in once, but still.
[01:50] <apokryphos> mownin'
[01:51] <tizon> how can i update my kubuntu to Kubuntu Breezy Preview with apt?
[01:51] <apokryphos> hehe
[01:51] <wildman> nikkia: yeah, will run it next time, disk activity stoppped a few mins ago, when I "started using" the computer (maybe it's just coincidence)
[01:51] <after8> !upgrade2breezy
[01:51] <ubotu> The guide to upgrading to breezy (5.10) is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyUpgrade
[01:51] <tizon> ok, thx
[01:51] <apokryphos> tizon: you'll want to update to the latest breezy; check that link provided. You also don't need any more kubuntu.org links in your sources.list
[01:51] <kakalto> but it's not released stable yet, is it?
[01:52] <apokryphos> kakalto: correct
[01:52] <apokryphos> You could run into problems
[01:52] <nikkia> wildman, are you using beagle ?
[01:52] <wildman> no that I know of :)
[01:52] <wildman> Kubuntu here, not Ubuntu, so little gnome stuff
[01:52] <nikkia> fair enough, just that can use lots of disk activity when the machine is idle, then stop when the machine isn't idle anymore
[01:53] <nikkia> wildman: beagle itself isn't gnome, just the main beagle UI is
[01:53] <wildman> nikkia: and appart from a few games, NVidia drivers, and DocBook/XML stuff, it's a fairly standard install
[01:53] <nikkia> but yeah, beagle isn't a standard install, so you'd know if you'd installed, and were using, it
[01:53] <wildman> fabman@linuxbox64:~$ ps aux | grep beagle
[01:53] <wildman> fabman   11912  0.0  0.1   5480   848 pts/2    S+   08:53   0:00 grep beagle
[01:53] <wildman> fabman@linuxbox64:~$
[01:54] <wildman> looks no beagle here
[01:54] <after8> for kubuntu.... when going breezy you install kubuntu-desktop and ubuntu-base?
[01:54] <wildman> I'll just keep an eye on such 'strange' activities. thx nikkia.
[01:54] <nalioth> after8: installing "kubuntu-desktop" is sufficient
[01:54] <apokryphos> after8: no, just change your sources, sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[01:54] <nikkia> wildman: maybe leave a task manager window open when you leave the machine tonight, then you might see what is consuming cpu/memory when you come back to it ?
[01:54] <apokryphos> after8: but make sure you have kubuntu-desktop installed before you dist-upgrade.
[01:55] <apokryphos> after8: well, before you change your sources, that is.
[01:55] <after8> oki
[01:55] <wildman> nikkia: good idea. thx.
[01:55] <after8> normally it was, cos it was kubuntu iso i installed with.
[01:55] <nikkia> wildman: (ctrl-escape to open a KDE task manager, if you're not aware of the keyboard shortcut (a surprising number of non-newbies aren't)
[01:55] <after8> thx all...
[01:56] <apokryphos> no problem
[01:56] <wildman> the only process eating my cpu is seti@home, which does very little I/O
[01:57] <nikkia> wildman: hmmm, but seti DOES use memory, it could have been paging due to seti
[01:57] <wildman> 512MB RAM were always more than enough nikkia ....
[01:57] <nikkia> and seti would fit the 'it stopped when i started using the machine' profile
[01:57] <wildman> if that was the pb, I'm going back to Mandriva in less than 1 minute ;)
[01:58] <after8> i have a qu...  i have 512 mb sdram and 1Gb swap...... sysmonitor shows i barely ever use any swap... 
[01:58] <nikkia> after8, congrats :)
[01:58] <after8> did i give it too much swap?
[01:58] <nikkia> after8, not unless you are short of disk space elsewhere
[01:59] <after8> hehe ok...
[01:59] <nikkia> having 'too much' swap, up to a point, is harmless, its a nice safety net in case you ever need it tho
[01:59] <after8> same on laptop... 256 Mb & 620mb swap, only ever uses 6% max
[01:59] <nikkia> otoh, my memory usage is: 744MB of 1GB physical memory used, 910MB of 2GB swap used
[01:59] <wildman> nikkia: you do stress your machine :)
[02:00] <nikkia> wildman: i do, yes
[02:00] <after8> whats the command again?
[02:00] <after8> for mem free?
[02:00] <Kamping_Kaiser> mmm. i can operate for several weeks at a time without hitting my 512 mb of ram, let alone swap
[02:00] <wildman> free IIRC
[02:00] <after8> free yeah...
[02:01] <Kamping_Kaiser> (but then i hit swap and crash ;O)
[02:01] <after8> like when i asked for the uptime one.. uptime :D
[02:01] <wildman> after8: well... asking for the copy or move one would have had a different effect ;)
[02:01] <after8> true :D
[02:02] <apokryphos> nikkia: have you tried katapult? What do you think of it?
[02:02] <apokryphos> thoreauputic: hola
[02:03] <thoreauputic> hi :)
[02:03] <nikkia> apokryphos: no
[02:03] <apokryphos> thoreauputic: how you doin'?
[02:03] <apokryphos> nikkia: you should try it out; pretty cool.
[02:03] <thoreauputic> not bad... :)
[02:03] <pedri2> which package to i need to install to have zlib
[02:03] <apokryphos> cool =)
[02:04] <nalioth> thoreauputic has been directing traffic in the ubuntu triangle
[02:04] <thoreauputic> heheh
[02:04] <pedri2> i already did apt-get install zlibc 
[02:04] <apokryphos> oh?
[02:05] <nalioth_zZz> night fellas
[02:05] <thoreauputic> and summarily kicked a guy who was sending spam /msg es on join to #ubuntu
[02:05] <apokryphos> pedri2: you'd probably need the dev files, if you need it for compiling or something
[02:05] <apokryphos> nalioth_zZz: 'night
[02:06] <thoreauputic> apokryphos: #ubuntu is currently +r , so there are confused people in #ubuntu-unregged
[02:06] <aftertaf> night nalioth_zZz 
[02:06] <apokryphos> thoreauputic: more spambots?
[02:06] <thoreauputic> night nalioth_zZz 
[02:06] <thoreauputic> apokryphos: sadly, yes
[02:06] <apokryphos> and I was just saying to nalioth that yesterday was relatively quiet, and we had it off.
[02:07] <aftertaf> hmmm. no replies
[02:08] <apokryphos> we should say anyone stuck /j #kubuntu :P
[02:08] <aftertaf> hehe
[02:08] <aftertaf> true :D
[02:08] <pedri2> apokryphos: indeed, i just installed the dev files and worked
[02:08] <nikkia> apokryphos: btw, another bulldog DSL modem arrived this morning
[02:09] <nikkia> apokryphos: tiny little package small enough to fit thru the letterbox!
[02:09] <apokryphos> nikkia: so far I've killed IRC twice by pressing close -- so used to the old behavior. Counting down till it happens again 8)
[02:09] <apokryphos> nikkia: oh, how come?
[02:09] <apokryphos> The other one was working out, no?
[02:09] <apokryphos> pedri2: good to hear :)
[02:09] <thoreauputic> apokryphos: or #proselytisers *grin*
[02:09] <nikkia> apokryphos: yeah, i dunno, i just got an email telling me that they'd sent me another modem *shrug*
[02:09] <aftertaf> decided to get my modem binned too.....
[02:09] <apokryphos> hahaha
[02:10] <aftertaf> goodbye usb, hello bewan ethernet
[02:10] <apokryphos> nikkia: more complimentary gifts. Watch out -- they're on to you.
[02:11] <nikkia> apokryphos: as a result, i now have 3 DSL modems :O
[02:11] <aftertaf> nikkia> where u live?? :D
[02:11] <apokryphos> nikkia: you using the new one at all?
[02:11] <nikkia> apokryphos: not planning on it
[02:12] <nikkia> apokryphos: haven't even opened the box, in case i need to send it back (if they charge me again)
[02:12] <nikkia> as i said, its a tiny little box, about the size of a DVD case
[02:13] <apokryphos> heh
[02:13] <nikkia> there's not even room in the box for a UK power plug, which is kind of confusing
[02:13] <wildman> bye, bbl
[02:14] <nikkia> oh i see, its not even the modem i requested when i joined, it appears to be USB-only, probably USB powered
[02:14] <apokryphos> nikkia: what make is it?
[02:14] <nikkia> apokryphos: alcatel, speedtouch 330
[02:15] <apokryphos> Looks exactly like my old one, but ours wasn't that small, certainly.
[02:15] <nikkia> afterat, the speedtouch 330 is the manta-ray :)
[02:15] <apokryphos> well, and it wasn't usb-only too of course.
[02:16] <apokryphos> just similar alcatel design
[02:16] <nikkia> apokryphos: even if my actiontec busybox modem dies, i'd probably pick up the zoom ethernet modem before even contemplating the USB one :)
[02:16] <nalioth_zZz> nikkia: you probably drop the whole pkg in a bucket of water and it inflates to operating size
[02:17] <aftertaf> loool
[02:29] <vern401> good morning
[02:30] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi
[02:30] <kakalto> did anyone ever notice...
[02:31] <Kamping_Kaiser> ?
[02:31] <kakalto> that if you click "no" to "did this help?" on any m$ website page, it comes up with "sorry, there's a problem with your answer"
[02:31] <kakalto> or basically the same
[02:31] <Chousuke> D:
[02:31] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol. never tried
[02:32] <Kamping_Kaiser> but thats funn
[02:32] <Kamping_Kaiser> y
[02:32] <kakalto> I always click "no", whenever I stumble across the m$ website, for one reason or another
[02:32] <kakalto> but they haven't fixed it for months
[02:33] <Kamping_Kaiser> have you tried 'yes'?
[02:33] <kakalto> no
[02:33] <kakalto> of course not
[02:33] <kakalto> I wouldn't lie
[02:33] <Kamping_Kaiser> give it a shot, ill work ;0
[02:33] <kakalto> M$ have never helped me
[02:33] <kakalto> :D
[02:34] <Kamping_Kaiser> ;D
[02:34] <thoreauputic> kakalto: they meant for the "no" answer to ask you "Are you *sure* ? " ;-)
[02:34] <kakalto> you'd think atleast the "yes" answer would work, but no
[02:35] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[02:35] <kakalto> "experiencing technical difficulties"
[02:35] <kakalto> http://www.microsoft.com/athome/security/children/kidtalk.mspx <--- |_075 0|= |_4|=|=5!!1!!1oneone!!
[02:35] <Chousuke> MS makes crappy software.
[02:36] <Kamping_Kaiser> kakalto: yeh, love it :)
[02:36] <thoreauputic> "Sorry, but we don't take no for an answer, especially since you aren't running IE and seem to be using a linux box"
[02:36] <Chousuke> kakalto: You have offended my eyes.
[02:37] <kakalto> Chousuke, the link should help. LOL
[02:37] <Chousuke> No.
[02:37] <kakalto> thoreauputic, sounds like the error it meant to give, but was so buggy it couldn't give the right error :P
[02:38] <Chousuke> it starts with www.microsoft.com
[02:38] <Chousuke> thus it's not capable of being useful to me.
[02:38] <kakalto> Chousuke, wise, you are
[02:38] <thoreauputic> kakalto: indeed :P
[02:38] <kakalto> but it's lots of laffs to look at M$ site once in a while
[02:39] <kakalto> I remember one time it was hacked
[02:39] <kakalto> and for a few days, it sat with some chinese hacker's message o
[02:39] <kakalto> instead***
[02:39] <Chousuke> Though If I ever get myself that crappy windows box like I've been intending to, then it's likely I will have some use for MS's site.
[02:39] <Kamping_Kaiser> wtf? its been hacked?
[02:40] <kakalto> no, it was, a few years ago
[02:40] <kakalto> I was just recalling
[02:40] <kakalto> good times :)
[02:40] <Kamping_Kaiser> i thought it was one of the few unhacked IIS boxes :o
[02:40] <Riddell> mornfall: did you package amarok 1.3 for breezy?
[02:40] <Kamping_Kaiser> nice to hear its not ;)
[02:41] <mornfall> Riddell: oh, uh, well, yes... don't shoot me
[02:41] <mornfall> Riddell: the guy was begging :p
[02:41] <kakalto> I need three things. kubuntu 5.10. Sleep. and gentoo
[02:42] <kakalto> oh, and time
[02:42] <kakalto> anyways, I think I'll satisfy the second of what I need
[02:43] <Kamping_Kaiser> our 4 main weapons are.... ;)
[02:43] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[02:43] <Kamping_Kaiser> later kakalto :) have a good one
[02:43] <kakalto> you too ;)
[02:43] <Kamping_Kaiser> :D
[02:44] <aftertaf> Leet words of concern or indicating possible illegal activity: pwn   lol m$
[02:45] <Chousuke> :D
[02:45] <Chousuke> omg lol m$ pwned.
[02:46] <apokryphos> mornfall: but it's not in yet?
[02:47] <aftertaf> apokryphos> seems not.
[02:48] <eazel7> hi ppl
[02:49] <eazel7> will breezy have kde3.5?
[02:49] <apokryphos> Hello.
[02:49] <eazel7> or that will be past-breezy?
[02:49] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi
[02:49] <Kamping_Kaiser> past breezy
[02:49] <eazel7> hello apokryphos 
[02:49] <apokryphos> Nope, but a repository with it will be released as soon as it's out
[02:49] <Kamping_Kaiser> Drake
[02:49] <eazel7> apokryphos: nice nickname
[02:49] <eazel7> thanks
[02:50] <apokryphos> thanks :). no worries
[02:51] <vern401> when I activate the wireless console I get an unsupported platform error
[02:51] <vern401> can anyone help point me in the right direction to fix it?
[02:55] <pedri2> is there a way to store my kde settings and preferences in a compressed file?
[02:59] <mornfall> amarok 1.3 is a clear backport, not intended for upload
[02:59] <mornfall> anyway, am off
[02:59] <mornfall> bye till monday
[02:59] <Kamping_Kaiser> later mornfall
[03:07] <activex> halerrr
[03:12] <_antonio> Hola
[03:14] <_antonio>  A quien preguntar sobre un fallo en kcontrol ?????
[03:16] <apokryphos> _antonio: #kubuntu-es
[03:33] <_david> anyone there?
[03:33] <Kamping_Kaiser> not a lot
[04:00] <DocTomoe> Can someone tell me which kubuntu-breezy package contains the audiocd-KIOSlave?
[04:03] <apokryphos> DocTomoe: kdemultimedia-kio-plugins probably
[04:03] <JRe> yes it's that one
[04:04] <ndazza> dpkg -S /usr/lib/kde3/kio_audiocd.so
[04:04] <ndazza> kdemultimedia-kio-plugins: /usr/lib/kde3/kio_audiocd.so
[04:06] <DocTomoe> merci ... 
[04:44] <jjesse> mornfall: can i just say that adept looks a lot better and works nicer then the alpha i installed and ran
[04:44] <jjesse> mornfall: its a sweet program
[05:09] <othomas> hi all
[05:09] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi
[05:10] <othomas> how are you Kaiser?
[05:11] <Kamping_Kaiser> not bad. yourself?
[05:11] <Kamping_Kaiser> you just got up? 
[05:11] <othomas> good ty
[05:11] <othomas> got up at 3am
[05:11] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol. worse then me
[05:11] <Kamping_Kaiser> mind you , thats not today :)
[05:11] <othomas> it's 11 am here now
[05:12] <othomas> lol
[05:12] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol.
[05:13] <Kamping_Kaiser> its 00:40~ here now ;)(
[05:14] <othomas> ahhh ur on nitelite saving time eh?
[05:14] <othomas> sorry, had to do it..:))
[05:15] <Kamping_Kaiser> :P
[05:17] <othomas> just sitting here deciding if I should continue to customize Hoary to want I want or upgrade to breezy..:()
[05:17] <othomas> want=what
[05:18] <Kamping_Kaiser> its almost here :)
[05:19] <othomas> yep..maybe just sit here and wait for the release..lol..decisions; decisions
[05:20] <Kamping_Kaiser> im running breezy, so i keep all my customisations :)
[05:21] <othomas> if you don't format does breezy keep a lot of your changes to hoary?
[05:22] <Kamping_Kaiser> should keep almost all, if not all
[05:22] <drasch> othomas: yep
[05:22] <Kamping_Kaiser> some things might change because the software changes (like OO.o1.3 and OO.o2)
[05:22] <hon> have you guys ever uploaded anything to kde-look? do you know how can I upload two files to be downloaded?
[05:23] <othomas> smile..guess i'll take the plunge..thanks K_K and drasch
[05:23] <Kamping_Kaiser> thats ok othomas :) good luck
[05:23] <Kamping_Kaiser> hon, sorry, i havent used it
[05:24] <hon> anybody else?
[05:24] <othomas> sorry, no joy here hon
[05:24] <nikkia> Kamping_Kaiser: is OOo v2 likely to be done in time ?
[05:24] <nikkia> Kamping_Kaiser: or are we just talking about one optional v2 beta vs another optional v2 beta ?
[05:25] <othomas> nikkia: good question
[05:25] <Kamping_Kaiser> nikkia: breezy uses openoffice2 beta
[05:25] <Kamping_Kaiser> labled as openoffice2
[05:25] <Kamping_Kaiser> it replaces openoffice as part of the upgrade
[05:25] <nikkia> Kamping_Kaiser: urgh, bad practice :)
[05:26] <Kamping_Kaiser> (as long as you have the ubuntu/kubutu-desktop meta package installed)
[05:26] <nikkia> now, i use a v2 beta, but i wouldn't like to tell anyone its stable enough to rely on :)
[05:27] <Kamping_Kaiser> :) i dont use it because its openoffice, but i dont recomend it either :)
[05:29] <Abdul_Mueid> Hello everyone!
[05:29] <othomas> hi Abdul
[05:29] <foodcoman> Good morning all.
[05:29] <Abdul_Mueid> how are you othomas and foodcoman?
[05:29] <othomas> hi Foodcoman
[05:29] <foodcoman> Putting the first cup of coffee down.
[05:30] <othomas> good tnx Abdul
[05:30] <foodcoman> LO othomas 
[05:30] <foodcoman> Thx
[05:30] <Abdul_Mueid> I am kind of new to Kubuntu, just wanted to ask some basic Q's. Anyone willing?
[05:30] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi Abdul_Mueid
[05:30] <foodcoman> Breezy has a few issues, but I like it compaired to hoary.
[05:30] <Abdul_Mueid> hello Kamping_Kaiser
[05:31] <Abdul_Mueid> I have Hoary at the moment
[05:31] <Kamping_Kaiser> Abdul_Mueid: ask away, and you might get a responce :)
[05:31] <Abdul_Mueid> didn't download breezy
[05:31] <othomas> i am just decideing to make the upgrade as we speak
[05:31] <Abdul_Mueid> first of all, If I want to add KDE to my already installed Ubuntu Hoary using apt, how many megs is it?
[05:31] <foodcoman> I did a fresh install this morning.
[05:32] <foodcoman> I had enough Junk in hoary thought it was wise to start fresh.
[05:32] <Kamping_Kaiser> Abdul_Mueid: a couple of hundred
[05:32] <foodcoman> Abdul_Mueid: I havent a clue, but fairly large.
[05:32] <othomas> Abdul: I don't know, but I am a KDE fan sp it's worth it
[05:32] <Abdul_Mueid> ~500?
[05:32] <Abdul_Mueid> or less?
[05:33] <Kamping_Kaiser> less. much less
[05:33] <Kamping_Kaiser> ~200
[05:33] <Abdul_Mueid> ohk...
[05:33] <Abdul_Mueid> I am living in Africa and my bandwidth is very limited :(
[05:33] <Abdul_Mueid> I recieved my Ubuntu Hoary CDs this morning
[05:33] <othomas> woohoo
[05:33] <Kamping_Kaiser> :/ i live an australia and my bandwidth is limited
[05:33] <Kamping_Kaiser> and wd on the cds :)
[05:34] <foodcoman> I have comcast and it smokes!  =/
[05:34] <Abdul_Mueid> CDs were supposed to come about 2 months ago, bad corrier service here
[05:34] <othomas> i live in US and disk space is limited
[05:34] <Abdul_Mueid> othomas: that's still OK
[05:34] <Kamping_Kaiser> othomas: dont belive you ;P
[05:34] <othomas> smile
[05:34] <Abdul_Mueid> :)
[05:34] <Kamping_Kaiser> :)
[05:35] <Abdul_Mueid> Can I use regular .deb packages to install apps for KDE? eg. I get something off freshmeat or sourceforge
[05:35] <foodcoman> Abdul_Mueid: Yes
[05:36] <othomas> hahaha foodco
[05:36] <Abdul_Mueid> ok...
[05:36] <Abdul_Mueid> Coz right now I am backing up the data on my other PC as I type
[05:36] <Kamping_Kaiser> Abdul_Mueid: most of them will be fine
[05:36] <Kamping_Kaiser> some will not be happy . just so you know
[05:37] <Abdul_Mueid> Can I install KDE packages over Ubuntu Hoary with Kubuntu CD?
[05:37] <Abdul_Mueid> so I dont download
[05:37] <Kamping_Kaiser> i *expect* so. 
[05:38] <othomas> i installed KDE onto hoary..works fine
[05:38] <Abdul_Mueid> so, if I add the Kubuntu CD to synaptic sources and apt it, technically it should work, right?
[05:38] <Kamping_Kaiser> yes
[05:38] <othomas> yup
[05:38] <Abdul_Mueid> othomas: did u install off a kubuntu CD?
[05:38] <Kamping_Kaiser> othomas: from cd?
[05:38] <othomas> i installed useing apt-get
[05:38] <Kamping_Kaiser> from the internet?
[05:38] <othomas> yes
[05:39] <othomas> KDE and KDM
[05:39] <Abdul_Mueid> I am willing to format more than once... I think i will give it a shot
[05:39] <Kamping_Kaiser> Abdul_Mueid: i expect you can from the cd. use 'sudo apt-cdrom' to add the cd to your sources, then 'sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop'
[05:40] <Abdul_Mueid> hehe
[05:40] <Kamping_Kaiser> good luck mate. ill see you around
[05:40] <Abdul_Mueid> alright
[05:40] <Abdul_Mueid> i'll definately share the results
[05:40] <othomas> sleep? K_K
[05:40] <foodcoman> Only if they are good!   ;-)
[05:40] <foodcoman> gday!
[05:40] <Kamping_Kaiser> othomas: its 1.10 am here
[05:40] <foodcoman> gnight
[05:41] <othomas> ahhhh..
[05:41] <Abdul_Mueid> Good Night
[05:41] <Kamping_Kaiser> night foodcoman :)
[05:41] <Abdul_Mueid> Sleep Tight
[05:41] <Abdul_Mueid> Take Care
[05:41] <othomas> niters
[05:41] <Kamping_Kaiser> willl do . later all
[05:41] <foodcoman> Cup (2) Coffee run!  brb
[05:41] <othomas> k
[05:41] <Abdul_Mueid> othomas and foodcoman: do u think Ubuntu will grab KDE packages off Kubuntu CD?
[05:42] <othomas> yes it will
[05:42] <Abdul_Mueid> alright, I guess I am all inspired now :D
[05:42] <othomas> me3 Abdul
[05:42] <othomas> haha
[05:42] <Abdul_Mueid> hehe
[05:43] <Abdul_Mueid> 35 minutes to burn 4.7G DVD at 4x
[05:43] <Abdul_Mueid> that's slow
[05:43] <hon> I just put a kubuntu wall on kde-look. can someone check one of the links (the sencond, third or fourth) to see if it is broken or not?
[05:43] <hon> http://kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=29175
[05:43] <othomas> i have had the kubuntu install disk for days kicking it around..:)
[05:43] <Abdul_Mueid> do u think shipit will have kubuntu soon?
[05:44] <othomas> hon:appears to be working
[05:44] <hon> thanks
[05:44] <Abdul_Mueid> yep, works
[05:44] <othomas> ur welcome
[05:45] <othomas> don't know about shipping..is odd they stopped orders even
[05:45] <Abdul_Mueid> yeha
[05:45] <Abdul_Mueid> yeah
[05:45] <Abdul_Mueid> Have you heard of Freedom Toaster?
[05:45] <foodcoman> Very nice subtle map of the conti.... with a swoosh over the Logo!  Very nice!
[05:46] <othomas> hope she saw that foodcoman
[05:46] <othomas> abdul: no sure haven't
[05:46] <op> which one is better to use kontact or thunderbird for email as far as security and features
[05:46] <foodcoman> I dont think as quick as he dropped.  I tried.
[05:47] <othomas>  :)
[05:47] <othomas> op: no idea
[05:47] <thoreauputic> op: matter of personal taste really
[05:48] <op> so there are no other issues with one being better than the other that i should be concerned about?
[05:48] <foodcoman> I wonder how many gigs I will have pulled with apt to keep breezy updated till the Gold release?  (Tons)
[05:48] <othomas> op: not that i know of
[05:48] <thoreauputic> op: mail apps in linux are all pretty secure
[05:48] <othomas> LOL foodcoman
[05:48] <thoreauputic> op: and "better" is subjective
[05:49] <Head_Fi> hello
[05:49] <Head_Fi> anybody knows about acpi and powernowd?
[05:49] <othomas> hi HeadF1
[05:49] <Head_Fi> I like to ask you a few questions
[05:49] <foodcoman> Op:  I noticed I could paste from klipper (Screenshots) directly into Kontact with a filename, but not Tbird.
[05:49] <op> sweet thanks also i used this nice little script to mount my ntfs harddrives but they are all read only is there a way i can change that so i can keep adding stuff to them
[05:49] <op> as you can see i am completly new at this
[05:50] <thoreauputic> op: ntfs is read only in linuxthank the folks at MS for keeping specs secret)
[05:50] <op> dammit so is there a way i can convert them to somthing else?
[05:50] <foodcoman> I saw on Slash.... a company has a R/W product now that works well.
[05:50] <foodcoman> $$$$
[05:50] <Head_Fi> well anybody willing to answer a couple of questions about powernowd and cpufreq modules?
[05:50] <Head_Fi> plz
[05:51] <thoreauputic> op: there is an experimental thing called "captive" for writing to ntfs, but risky
[05:51] <op> mmmm don't like those odds i have like 200 gigs of stuff on here and 100gigs left i dont want to loose that
[05:51] <thoreauputic> op: most people make a shared partition with vfat to share stuff with windows XP etc
[05:52] <othomas> Head_F1: sorry not real familiar with those modules
[05:52] <op> okay
[05:52] <Head_Fi> ok
[05:52] <Head_Fi> its just that Id like to run a different daemon than powernowd
[05:52] <Head_Fi> because Id just want my laptop to run at the lowest freq available when on battery
[05:53] <Head_Fi> not dynamic
[05:53] <othomas> oic what you want..but can't help there
[05:53] <Head_Fi> ok
[05:54] <Head_Fi> anyone here knows about this subject?
[05:54] <foodcoman> NTFS for Linux from Paragon.
[05:54] <othomas> F1: did you check the laptops settup? Does it offer power conserve settings?
[05:54] <foodcoman> Correction the article about the NTFS for Linux was from Eweek!
[05:54] <Head_Fi> well the issue is with the powernowd daemon
[05:55] <othomas> ok
[05:55] <Head_Fi> if its running just theres no way u can avoid it switching to a higher freq 
[05:55] <Head_Fi> because it does it automatically
[05:55] <Head_Fi> I could use another daemon
[05:55] <Head_Fi> but the problem is that in ubuntu powernowd is the default and it has some scripts that load the kernel modules necessary to run any other daemons
[05:56] <Head_Fi> know what I mean?
[05:56] <foodcoman> http://www.ntfs-linux.com/  Not Open Source.
[05:56] <othomas> i get it..you might do a search and see if someone has fixed that
[05:56] <Head_Fi> so if I disable powernowd these modules arent loaded
[05:56] <Head_Fi> well Ive been doing that on ubuntuforums, google and such
[05:56] <Head_Fi> but just everybody seems to like the dynamic frequency scaling
[05:57] <othomas> Fi: <smile> ur the one in the crowd eh?
[05:57] <Head_Fi> hehe looks like so
[05:57] <Head_Fi> the thing is that there are ubuntu packages with the other daemons
[05:58] <Head_Fi> but I dont know if they include also their own scripts to load the neccesary modules
[05:58] <Abdul_Mueid> i'm back, Nature calls u know :P
[05:58] <othomas> wb Abdul
[05:58] <foodcoman> Wow, but have been a long call!   =D
[05:58] <Abdul_Mueid> yeah :P
[05:59] <Abdul_Mueid> othomas: Freedom Toaster is an Opensource kiosk where u insert your blank CD/DVD and choose an opensource distro or software to burn on the CD
[05:59] <othomas> Fi: sorry I can't help..did you try searching apt-get for a diff module?
[05:59] <othomas> ty Abdul
[06:00] <Head_Fi> what that othomas?
[06:00] <foodcoman> Has anyone tried the ntfstools package, and can speak to the reliability?
[06:00] <Abdul_Mueid> I will be checking one out when I go to South Africa... that's where you find them the most
[06:00] <dech> Hmm this isnt really kubuntu related but anyone know anything much about rescuing routers from failed firmware updates ? >_<
[06:00] <Head_Fi> I come from mandrake and Im not really familiar with apt
[06:00] <Head_Fi> I used urpmi
[06:00] <Head_Fi> but I think I like apt better
[06:01] <Head_Fi> just seems more clever
[06:01] <Abdul_Mueid> sure it does
[06:01] <othomas> ok, apt has a search function..
[06:01] <foodcoman> Go get em othomas!
[06:01] <othomas> it searches ubuntu file repositories
[06:02] <foodcoman> http://kudos.berlios.de/kf/kf.html
[06:03] <Head_Fi> apt-get search maybe lol
[06:03] <othomas> lol
[06:03] <foodcoman> http://kudos.berlios.de/kf/kisimlar/swmgmt.html#swmgmt  pkg mgmt for dummies.  I use it.  =)
[06:03] <othomas> are you running X?
[06:03] <Head_Fi> who
[06:03] <othomas> Fi..:)
[06:04] <thoreauputic> apt-cache search <--- is the search command
[06:04] <Head_Fi> ok
[06:04] <othomas> ty thoreauputic
[06:04] <thoreauputic> :)
[06:05] <Head_Fi> yeah there are both packages
[06:05] <Head_Fi> cpufreqd and cpudyn
[06:05] <othomas> Fi: pick one...lol
[06:05] <Head_Fi> but I still dont know if these load their own needed kernel modules at startup also
[06:05] <Head_Fi> I mean if they have scripts to do so
[06:05] <Head_Fi> which is what Im trying to findo out on google now
[06:05] <Head_Fi> ;)
[06:05] <othomas> Fi: no idea here..:(
[06:06] <Head_Fi> ok Im on the track anyway
[06:06] <Head_Fi> appart from that stuff (I reckon its a lil picky on my side)
[06:06] <othomas> *crowd applauds!!
[06:06] <Head_Fi> and acpi suspend problems
[06:06] <othomas> np Fi
[06:06] <foodcoman> othomas: Pick one for me, mean looser!  Murphy's law is hard at work in my life.
[06:06] <Head_Fi> the rest of the distribution works flawlessly
[06:07] <Head_Fi> I couldnt get my laptop to resume from suspend with mandrake either
[06:07] <foodcoman> Anyone know what the peek nick # has been in the channel?  100?
[06:07] <Head_Fi> but now with kubuntu at least I can hibernate it
[06:07] <othomas> foodcoman:same here..has been my buddy for 10 years now, didn't know you knew him..<grin>
[06:08] <othomas> no idea foodco
[06:09] <foodcoman> I am going to sit here all day to see if it breaks 101 nicks in the channel.
[06:09] <othomas> *OT thought foodco was gonna tell us
[06:09] <nikkia> most nicks i've seen on irc....
[06:10] <foodcoman> lo nikkia!
[06:10] <nikkia> was the day the G5 was released, and macosrumors had their irc up and running, 1200+ people in one channel
[06:10] <laszlok> how do you stop kde from opening media:/hdc when a cd is inserted?
[06:10] <othomas> whoa!!
[06:10] <foodcoman> Wow, much lag?
[06:10] <nikkia> foodcoman: lots of it
[06:11] <foodcoman> Hrmm rumors = popularity.............
[06:11] <othomas> laszlok: no idea, let me know when you have an answer
[06:11] <nikkia> foodcoman: i think by the time the announcements were made, it was lagging by about 5 minutes :)
[06:11] <nikkia> the worst LAG i've seen, however, dates back to the days when ircd's didn't do active ping/pong checks
[06:11] <foodcoman> Did you guys hear whats up with foodcoman??????
[06:11] <nikkia> and you could get disconnected, and not timeout for ages, some days, back then, you'd see people lag by 3-4 hours
[06:12] <othomas> :othomas hates lag
[06:12] <nikkia> it didn't help, ofc ourse, that some people were on irc with really poor connections, 9600 baud and so on
[06:13] <foodcoman> Im an former EFnet boy... Left it behind, had nice bouncers, and little lag back in the day.... Avoid like the plague now.
[06:13] <othomas> heck i went years at 1200 baud cuz phone lines wouldn't do 2400
[06:13] <nikkia> foodcoman: yeah, this was efnet, but efnet in the old days before the (first) split of the net
[06:13] <nikkia> ie, 1993ish
[06:14] <othomas> heck nikkia: you must know about bbs's..lol
[06:14] <foodcoman> I was in around 98 - 01
[06:14] <nikkia> foodcoman: that was after the first round of efnet splits, i think
[06:15] <nikkia> can't remember if the efnet->efnet+ircnet  or efnet->efnet+newnet was the first major split, although of course, there was a year or two where efnet was split into efnet(us) and efnet(eu)
[06:17] <foodcoman> Anyone here go back far enough to play on a TRS-80 Model 1 with Cassette Tape and 300 baud?
[06:17] <othomas> yep
[06:18] <foodcoman> I used to play an ASCII startrek game.  It was so good I would play it today.
[06:18] <othomas> lol, it was good
[06:19] <nikkia> foodcoman: not the one in bsdgames is it ?
[06:19] <_rob> what is the deb source I need for adept?
[06:19] <foodcoman> Dont know _rob !!!!
[06:19] <_rob> I tried the Hoary one listed on the website, but it didn't work
[06:19] <Abdul_Mueid> othomas: Found a way to install KDE packages on top of Ubuntu with Kubuntu CD :D
[06:19] <Abdul_Mueid> see this: http://www.mrbass.org/linux/ubuntu/
[06:20] <foodcoman> All your bases are belong to us!
[06:20] <othomas> wb abdul..:)
[06:21] <nikkia> foodcoman: try the 'trek' game in bsdgames, it might be the game you're remembering
[06:22] <foodcoman> nikkia: Awesome, I will check it out for sure.
[06:22] <nikkia> personally, i feel the best game in bsdgames, has to be 'sail'
[06:22] <othomas> _rob: is this the software analysis program you mean by Adept?
[06:23] <Head_Fi> YEAH Im a dumbass
[06:23] <Head_Fi> lol
[06:23] <Head_Fi> I figured it all
[06:23] <Head_Fi> now
[06:23] <Head_Fi> about the powernowd issue
[06:23] <othomas> hi DuMB..:)
[06:23] <Head_Fi> :D
[06:23] <foodcoman> Question: Do you run apt-get  1) update 2) upgrade 3) dist-upgrade for normal update process or is this excessive?
[06:23] <Head_Fi> I could explain if somebody is confused about it too
[06:23] <_rob> othomas: I'm not sure what you mean.  What I think it is, is the KDE answer to Synaptic
[06:23] <nikkia> foodcoman: for normal process, 1 and 2
[06:24] <_root> Hi. I've got a problem with the color depth in KDM/KDE after the latest x-server updates from Kubuntu ...
[06:24] <nikkia> foodcoman: 'update' updates the packages available list, 'upgrade' upgrades the packages you have that have newer versions (unless the distribution is marked as different, which is where 'dist-upgrade' comes in)
[06:24] <othomas> _rob: ohh ok..can't help you then..sorry
[06:25] <foodcoman> nikkia: Gotcha!
[06:26] <_root> does anyone know what I can do to set depth to 24 bit again ?
[06:26] <Head_Fi> thanks for the help anyway fellas
[06:26] <Head_Fi> bye
[06:27] <_root> I've already commented all lines out but the mode w/ 24 bit
[06:27] <_root> and there's no error in Xorg.0..... 
[06:28] <othomas> cya Fi
[06:28] <_root> the guys on ubuntuusers.de couldn't help me so far
[06:29] <_root> gnome has the same problem
[06:32] <nikkia> root, are you sure your video chipset supports 24bit ?
[06:32] <nikkia> out of 24 and 32 bit options, some only support one or the other
[06:33] <_root> yes
[06:33] <_root> before the update all worked fine
[06:33] <nikkia> try 32bit anyway
[06:33] <_root> and
[06:33] <nikkia> it might be the driver changed in the latest Xorg update
[06:33] <_root> and this is what i tried before ...
[06:33] <nikkia> failing that, check you're using the right driver in Xorg
[06:34] <_root> it's not working in 32 bit either
[06:34] <nikkia> the update may have rolled you back to the vesa driver, for example
[06:34] <_root> where can I check this ?
[06:34] <nikkia> and the vesa code in recent video cards is often 'the bare minimum needed for old DOS games'
[06:34] <nikkia> _root, /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[06:34] <_root> I'm using a laptop (HP) with S3 Savage ...
[06:34] <nikkia> oh dear
[06:35] <_root> well, it's working fine in windows and before the update in KDE ;)
[06:35] <nikkia> my laptop has a S3 savage too, lousy drivers
[06:35] <foodcoman> nikkia: That is the very game as best I can remember it. 7th or 8th grade, so thats 26-27 years ago... Ugh! talk about memory pain.
[06:35] <_root> 3D support is missing but not necessary
[06:35] <nikkia> foodcoman: yeah, that game is ancient, i suspect it was ported from a PDP version at that :)
[06:35] <_root> I just want to have support for 24 bit (or 32 bit) again :) ;)
[06:36] <othomas> nikkia: yep it was on a PDP-11
[06:36] <foodcoman> Yeah I dont know if the old CPM's had it, but I had all the fun on a Z-80!   =)
[06:36] <nikkia> othomas: and i wouldn't be surprised if THAT was ported from a -8 :)
[06:36] <othomas> lol nikkia
[06:36] <_root> VIA Technologies VT8605 ProSavage PM133
[06:36] <_root> Driver = savage
[06:36] <nikkia> othomas: istr that trek dates back to 1970 or so
[06:37] <othomas> it was around in email in 1968
[06:37] <_root> Default depth is also set to 24
[06:38] <nikkia> yep, it was on a -8 originally
[06:38] <nikkia> can't find a date for it tho, but looks like mid 60s
[06:39] <_root> is it possibly to make all changes undone with apt-get ?
[06:39] <foodcoman> Thats a true Classic.. Make my heart leap for joy...Those were some fun times.
[06:39] <_root> so that I'd get the older packages
[06:39] <nikkia> well, i say 'originally' i bet if you dig deeper it goes back almost as far as the pdp-1, though its certainly not as old as spacewar  :)
[06:40] <othomas> _root: i have done that; but; soemtimes the results are unexpected..
[06:40] <_root> ok
[06:40] <_root> bad as now ;)
[06:41] <othomas> _root: that is due to the different version levels of the overall install
[06:41] <othomas> yes
[06:41] <_root> i think, I'm seeing all pictures with 16 bit now ...
[06:41] <nikkia> othomas: most technically impressive 'old' game i've seen, was a defender clone on our VMS cluster, that used regis for graphics :)
[06:41] <othomas> nikkia: we must be from the same generation...LOL
[06:42] <_root> so what can I do now to get more colors ? :(
[06:42] <nikkia> _root, buy a laptop with a decent video chipset :P
[06:42] <_root> everything worked so fine 'til Monday night
[06:42] <othomas> :cruel
[06:42] <_root> :P :D
[06:42] <nikkia> othomas: i have a S3 savage/IX, i know JUST how crappy it is
[06:43] <nikkia> othomas: no amount of tweaking is going to make it 'decent' :)
[06:43] <othomas> correct assesment
[06:43] <_root> well, but that's not changing the situation, that it worked before :D
[06:43] <othomas> _root: have you done a lot of tweaking?
[06:43] <_root> nothing
[06:43] <foodcoman> Defender Arcade version took much money from me.
[06:43] <nikkia> _root, you could try and change it to vesa
[06:44] <_root> how do I do that ?
[06:44] <nikkia> i use my laptop with the vesa driver, as the savage driver causes screen corruption :)
[06:44] <othomas> _root: try reinstall and select the 32 bit option then
[06:44] <_root> sorry, but I'm very new to that (again)
[06:44] <nikkia> _root, change the 'savage' in /etc/X11/xorg.conf to 'vesa'
[06:44] <_root> last time I used Slackware 1.xxx :D
[06:44] <othomas> nikkia: good idea..:)
[06:44] <_root> many things have changed
[06:45] <nikkia> vesa is quite a bit slower tho
[06:45] <_root> that's all ?
[06:45] <nikkia> but then, the savage driver isn't much of a speed daemon either :)
[06:45] <hussam> can somebody check for me if  http://fr.archive.ubuntu.com opens?
[06:45] <nikkia> _root, yes
[06:45] <hussam> in a browser windows
[06:45] <_root> cool :)
[06:45] <_root> done, it's working (directors listing)
[06:45] <_root> s = y
[06:46] <othomas> hussam: it opens to a directory
[06:46] <thoreauputic> hussam: opens here too
[06:46] <hussam> it times out here
[06:47] <nikkia> othomas: btw, when you said it was working in windows, what version?
[06:47] <othomas> it needs an index.html and then will have your page
[06:47] <_root> well, now I'm going to restart ...
[06:47] <nikkia> i've never been able to track down real XP drivers for my savage
[06:47] <_root> ehm
[06:47] <nikkia> (as when via bought S3, the first thing they did, was killed the drivers download page, and the last driver for the /IX i have was for 2k)
[06:47] <_root> In windows xp it's working with 32 bit @ 1024x768 (32 MB shared memory)
[06:48] <nikkia> _root, not an /IX then ?
[06:48] <othomas> say, how do you talk private to someone..I know it's in the man pages, but think one of you could tell me quicker
[06:48] <nikkia> othomas: /msg nickname message
[06:48] <_root> you should explain what I/X means :D
[06:48] <othomas> ty
[06:48] <nikkia> othomas: or /query nickname
[06:49] <nikkia> which will open a chat window to them (or some equivalent thereof if you're running a text mode client)
[06:49] <nikkia> _root: the 'S3 Savage' is a family of video chips
[06:49] <_root> ok
[06:49] <nikkia> there is a 'S3 Savage/IX' a 'S3 Savage/MX' etc
[06:49] <_root> ProSavage PM133 says lspci
[06:50] <nikkia> the /IX was the second savage released, i think (after the plain 'S3 Savage')
[06:50] <nikkia> ah, ProSavage is Via era S3
[06:50] <_root> don't know more about that
[06:50] <nikkia> ie, somewhere after about 2000-2001
[06:50] <_root> well, my laptop is ~ 2,5 y old
[06:50] <nikkia> in your case, its probably integrated into the Via PM133 chipset
[06:50] <othomas> S3 used to be the cat's meow of chips..
[06:50] <nikkia> othomas: they did????
[06:51] <nikkia> othomas: they've always sucked, just mention the Virge to any gamer :)
[06:52] <othomas> good lord Frank!
[06:52] <nikkia> othomas: if you're not aware of how much of a reputation the S3 Virge had.... it was *slower* at h/w accelerated 3D, than using Software 3D, for Quake
[06:52] <_root> what is the fastest why to restart x-server ?
[06:52] <nikkia> _root, ctrl-alt-backspace
[06:52] <_root> that I can see the changes made bevore
[06:52] <_root> ok
[06:53] <_root> c u soon
[06:55] <othomas> dang it's raining here
[06:55] <othomas> wb _root
[06:55] <_root> back again ;)
[06:55] <_root> well, everything looks fine again :D
[06:55] <othomas> !GREAT!
[06:55] <ubotu> othomas: I give up, what is it?
[06:56] <_root> another stupid question: does vesa work with 32 bit, too ?
[06:56] <nikkia> _root, perhaps
[06:57] <_root> ok
[06:57] <nikkia> _root, depends on the vesa implementation in the video chip/card's rom
[06:57] <othomas> _root: and ur memory
[06:57] <_root> so I've to change DefaultDepth to 32 and to add another Subsection of Display with Depth 32 ?
[06:57] <nikkia> _root: bear  in mind, tho, that 32bit will use a bit more ram, and be slower, because you're pretty much using software video routines completely with vesa
[06:58] <nikkia> (yes, i know, vesa accelerator architecture, but i don't think the S3 stuff supports it, so its not relevant :)
[06:58] <_root> well, 32 MB of memory will work fine I think - like Windows does ;)
[06:58] <nikkia> root, there is also, absolutely no difference in image quality
[06:58] <_root> yes, for sure
[06:58] <nikkia> as 24/32 just affects the byte packing in the frame buffer
[06:58] <_root> but I just want to test it
[06:59] <_root> the windows drivers only support 16 and 32 bit
[06:59] <othomas> we all nod and smile
[06:59] <_root> only the byte packing in the frame buffer ?
[06:59] <_root> well, I can easily see a difference between pictures with 16 and 24 bits ;)
[07:00] <othomas> yep
[07:00] <_root> one more test ...
[07:01] <foodcoman> nikkia: Just sent a screenshot to the buddy that had the TRS-80 Model 1 that I first played the game on.  He is a windows person.  I love to rub their noses in Linux.
[07:01] <othomas> *glutton for punishment..lol..one of us
[07:01] <othomas> hahaha foodcoman
[07:02] <nikkia> foodcoman: tbh, i'd be surprised if there isn't a windows version too
[07:02] <nikkia> and trek should certainly be present on cygwin :)
[07:03] <foodcoman> Yeah buy you/I found it first....  The 27 year flashback will be overwhelming!
[07:03] <foodcoman> buy = but.
[07:04] <othomas> :i see a trek group in the future
[07:04] <othomas>  :) #kubuntu-trek
[07:05] <othomas> heh
[07:08] <othomas> you two aren't seriously considering that!
[07:08] <nikkia> root, btw
[07:08] <foodcoman> Network version, OOOOooooo.
[07:08] <_root> back again
[07:08] <othomas> wb root
[07:08] <_root> well, 32 bits are not working with vesa
[07:08] <nikkia> root, if you want to try a little harder to get accelerated savage stuff working, http://www.probo.com/timr/savage40.html has some good info
[07:08] <othomas> lol
[07:08] <_root> thanks
[07:08] <_root> but everything here is to slow to run 3D ;)
[07:09] <nikkia> don't honestly know if there is anything there that'll enable 24/32 bit stuff if its not working, tho
[07:09] <othomas> yep root, always will be with your system
[07:09] <nikkia> _root, i really meant 'accelerated 2D'
[07:09] <_root> hmm, ok
[07:09] <nikkia> running 3d anything on a savage is an exercise in futility :)
[07:09] <_root> I tried Doom 3 just for fun ;)
[07:09] <othomas> :not to mention frustration
[07:09] <nikkia> 'current framerate, 1 frame per year'
[07:10] <_root> it doesn't start :D
[07:10] <nikkia> you can probably see each pixel being drawn :P
[07:10] <othomas> root: doom 1 will work in single player mode..good as it gets
[07:10] <_root> hehehe
[07:10] <othomas> heh
[07:10] <_root> I've got 2 more problems
[07:11] <nikkia> if i was buying a laptop today, i'd go out of my way to find something nvidia
[07:11] <_root> but they are not really important
[07:11] <apokryphos> _root: are you logged on as root?
[07:11] <_root> no
[07:11] <othomas> lol
[07:11] <_root> kubuntu has got a disable root accoutn
[07:11] <apokryphos> or running your irc client as root
[07:12] <_root> why do you think that ?
[07:12] <othomas> me me me..i get to format his disk
[07:12] <_root> only of the name root ?
[07:12] <othomas> :jokingt
[07:13] <apokryphos> _root: yes. Type a whois _root
[07:14] <_root> root as name is cool
[07:14] <_root> ;)
[07:15] <_root> does anyone know something about "pivot_root" directory not found" message from grub (?) ?
[07:16] <_root> there's no problem at all, but it's just saying that
[07:16] <_root> and during boot, I got "setting up general console font" (fail)
[07:21] <othomas> well, gonna burn a CD..BBS..take care
[07:23] <_root> oops
[07:23] <_root> alt+print+s u b is working :D
[07:27] <_root> everybody gone ?
[07:27] <foodcoman> _root: Console font failed is because gdm is not display manager... Kubuntu Breezy is using KDM True?
[07:29] <_root> i'm using hoary
[07:29] <_root> with kdm
[07:30] <_root> kdm is standard
[07:30] <kingconfessor> has anyone been having problems with booting lately, I should say, after installing the recent updates?
[07:30] <_root> not with booting ...
[07:30] <kingconfessor> my pc boots and crashes midboot
[07:30] <kingconfessor> i have to hard reboot, and then it usually completes booting
[07:31] <kingconfessor> and i've noticed sometimes my mouse will randomly stop working, its a microsoft optical, corded mouse
[07:31] <kingconfessor> so then i have to navigate via keyboard, and usually i just reboot
[07:31] <foodcoman> Mine has been clean with clean breezy installs.
[07:32] <kingconfessor> i'm almost wondering if its a hardware failure, because when i boot windows, it sometimes freezes in the boot process, but then again, thats what m$ is good for
[07:33] <_root> where does it freeze ?
[07:33] <_root> during the first MS logo ?
[07:33] <kingconfessor> well with ms, yeah, during the ms logo, as the status bar is moving back and forth, but sometimes it freezes before that
[07:34] <foodcoman> kingconfessor: Definately suspect behavior.
[07:34] <kingconfessor> with kubuntu, it freezes as its going down the list, initializing services and such
[07:34] <lonewolff> kingconfessor: does it always do it at the same serivce, or is it random?
[07:35] <foodcoman> There was a recent Grub update within the last 2 days.
[07:35] <kingconfessor> it seems to be occuring at certain spots, as far as i can tell
[07:35] <foodcoman> Seems odd both OS's would hiccup.
[07:35] <kingconfessor> thats what i was thinking foodcoman
[07:35] <_root> well, sometimes my windows boot freezes to right after loading the logo
[07:36] <_root> but this must be grub, before grub there was no problem
[07:37] <kingconfessor> i don't know though, windows freezing doesn't make me a believer though, i mean thats standard M$ behavior
[07:37] <foodcoman> kingconfessor: What version of XP?
[07:37] <foodcoman> kingconfessor: What version of 2k?
[07:38] <kingconfessor> i think maybe its the updates i've been downloading, because it was running fine until a few weeks ago when i dled some updates
[07:38] <kingconfessor> xp
[07:38] <kingconfessor> service pack 1 i think
[07:38] <lonewolff> kingconfessor: do you know if one of them was a grub update?
[07:38] <foodcoman> The HAL in XP is not that poor.
[07:38] <kingconfessor> i'm not sure, can i check through synaptic?
[07:39] <foodcoman> Unless you are running some wild Hardware, you typically dont seem machine dying on XP boot unless they have had the OS rooted by Adware or Spyware of Virus.
[07:39] <kingconfessor> none of that crap on my machine
[07:39] <foodcoman> NTFS is fairly solid.
[07:39] <kingconfessor> the xp failure isn't very often
[07:40] <kingconfessor> but the kubuntu failure is every time i start my machine
[07:40] <Noriega> how many CDs are kubuntu on?
[07:40] <foodcoman> Random hangs on boot seem suspect to hardware I think if it spans 2 OS's.  But who knows.
[07:40] <lonewolff> Noriega: 1 disc
[07:40] <Noriega> oh
[07:41] <kingconfessor> grub .95 + cvs20040624
[07:41] <laser_tk> No, Windows is not a virus. Here's what viruses do:
[07:41] <laser_tk>    1. They replicate quickly - okay, Windows does that.
[07:41] <laser_tk>    2. Viruses use up valuable system resources, slowing down the system as they do so - okay, Windows does that.
[07:41] <laser_tk>    3. Viruses will, from time to time, trash your hard disk - okay, Windows does that too.
[07:41] <laser_tk>    4. Viruses are usually carried, unknown to the user, along with valuable programs and systems. Sigh... Windows does that, too.
[07:41] <laser_tk>    5. Viruses will occasionally make the user suspect their system is too slow (see 2) and the user will buy new hardware. Yup, that's with Windows, too.
[07:41] <kingconfessor> i don't think thats the new grub
[07:41] <laser_tk> Until now it seems Windows is a virus but there are fundamental differences:Viruses are well supported by their authors, are running on most systems, their program code is fast, compact and efficient and they tend to become more sophisticated as they mature. So Windows is not a virus. It's a bug.
[07:41] <Noriega> but I can install it on its own, right? I don't need to install ubuntu first, then upgrade?
[07:41] <laser_tk> :P
[07:42] <foodcoman> Noriega: Yes
[07:42] <Noriega> at which part of the question? :)
[07:42] <foodcoman> Kubuntu = Ubuntu Core with KDE (Not Gnome)
[07:43] <kingconfessor> i don't think its a grub problem though, as it makes it past grub, but it fails as kubuntu is booting
[07:43] <foodcoman> You can run both if you choose however.
[07:43] <Noriega> aha
[07:43] <Noriega> but the difference between Gnome and KDE is mainly graphical, or?
[07:43] <foodcoman> Noriega: True
[07:43] <Noriega> I see
[07:44] <Noriega> thanks
[07:44] <kingconfessor> i'm thinking i should just wait for the new official release, and delete partition then install the new release
[07:45] <kingconfessor> its just really annoying, having my pc crash everytime i boot
[07:45] <foodcoman> kingconfessor: Might have been a hiccup in a patch and your machine???
[07:45] <kingconfessor> i think the hiccup is in some patch i recently downloaded
[07:45] <foodcoman> I did 2 fresh installs of Breezy preview and been Apt updating them.
[07:45] <foodcoman> Very minor issues.
[07:46] <kingconfessor> did you delete the old os and do a fresh install, or install right over the old?
[07:46] <foodcoman> 2 seperate machines, with totaly seperate hardware specs.  1) 500mhz 2) 2.8 ghz.
[07:47] <kingconfessor> are you using the i386 or i686 kernel
[07:47] <foodcoman> kingconfessor: I booted the cd and had the Partition mangler replace the partions, I upgrade from EXT to reiser.
[07:47] <Noriega> ah, one more thing: if I have two hard drives, and I use one for Windows and one for Linux, can I gain access to the other hd's files?
[07:47] <foodcoman> So I guess from scratch.  Got important stuff from ~
[07:48] <Chousuke> Noriega: yes.
[07:48] <foodcoman> Noriega: what Windows file system??
[07:48] <Noriega> because I read that Linux can read ntfs but not write
[07:48] <Noriega> or at least someone told me
[07:48] <kingconfessor> exactly
[07:48] <foodcoman> Fat32 R/W,  NTFS Read only.
[07:48] <Noriega> ok
[07:48] <foodcoman> I am toooo slow.
[07:48] <Noriega> and then there are a whole bunch of unix-only file systems?
[07:48] <kingconfessor> so if you want to file swap, make sure you create a fat partition
[07:48] <foodcoman> Noriega: yes
[07:49] <foodcoman> EXT3 and reiser are the common + a swap.
[07:49] <Noriega> kingconfessor: a fat partition for windows to use?
[07:49] <kingconfessor> yeah
[07:49] <kingconfessor> and linux
[07:49] <kingconfessor> linux can read and write to fat
[07:50] <foodcoman> If you create at Fat32 you can get to files from both OS's
[07:50] <kingconfessor> exactly
[07:50] <foodcoman> However install your linux to something else.  Linux will mount many partions.
[07:50] <kingconfessor> thats what i do noriega
[07:50] <Noriega> but windows cannot read nor write the unix-only file systems?
[07:50] <kingconfessor> correct
[07:50] <Noriega> ok
[07:51] <Noriega> I'm thinking of a dual boot, just to learn some more on how linux works
[07:51] <kingconfessor> thats what i do
[07:51] <Noriega> but I couldn't remove windows because the rest of the family need it ;)
[07:51] <Noriega> aha, so you have 2 partitions?
[07:51] <kingconfessor> i use linux as much as i can, and then when i have to i switch back to windows
[07:51] <foodcoman> Same here Noriega 
[07:51] <Noriega> hehe
[07:51] <kingconfessor> i have numerous partitions
[07:51] <kingconfessor> several ntfs partitions
[07:51] <kingconfessor> a fat32
[07:52] <Noriega> ok
[07:52] <kingconfessor> and then my linux and swap
[07:52] <foodcoman> Noriega: Backup
[07:52] <Noriega> backup?
[07:52] <foodcoman> Its not important till its gone!
[07:52] <kingconfessor> exactly
[07:52] <Noriega> hehe
[07:52] <kingconfessor> if you care about anything you have, back it up before you play around
[07:53] <Noriega> if I have one physical hd with data on it, do I need to format before I make a partition?
[07:54] <kingconfessor> well you very helpful people, thanks for all assistance, i gotta get back to the books
[07:54] <foodcoman> Reason, not necessarily the software install, but also human error.  when you start seeing HDA1 HDA2 and Blah blah, it can get confusing.
[07:55] <kingconfessor> noriega, linux can resize your windows partition, to make room for itself, so you don't have to neccisarily format
[07:55] <Noriega> aha
[07:55] <Noriega> foodcoman: yeah, afa I've understood, there is no such thing as c: d: etc in linux
[07:56] <Noriega> it's all /root
[07:56] <othomas> no sugar tonight in my coffee, no sugar in my tea..
[07:56] <foodcoman> Kubuntu will mount most stuff under /media
[07:56] <kingconfessor> well you can edit the fstab so that the partitions read as you want them to, ie c, d, g
[07:56] <foodcoman> You can mount anywhere, but I think /media is the convention.
[07:57] <Noriega> ok...
[07:57] <foodcoman> My usb key and stuff all populate there nicely.
[07:57] <Noriega> damn, I need to learn this stuff ;)
[07:57] <foodcoman> also one last think... http://kudos.berlios.de and like on the kubuntu faq.
[07:57] <Noriega> sure, I could read in books, but I'd learn it 100 times faster if I could use it.
[07:57] <kingconfessor> don't think i'm an expert noriega, i just started using linux a few months ago
[07:57] <foodcoman> Good noob reading.
[07:58] <Noriega> kingconfessor :)
[07:58] <kingconfessor> but you learn as you go
[07:58] <Noriega> hope so
[07:58] <Noriega> oh, a faq
[07:58] <Noriega> anyway, some guy recommended kubuntu
[07:58] <kingconfessor> yeah noriega, faqs are critical, then look through forums, and then hit people up
[07:59] <Noriega> kingconfessor: whom should I hit first? :)
[07:59] <othomas> lol
[07:59] <kingconfessor> well like you're doing, hitting the chat rooms, and stuff
[07:59] <kingconfessor> but that should be your last resort
[07:59] <Noriega> yeah, forum searching is always good
[07:59] <kingconfessor> because a lot of the information is already out there for you
[07:59] <kingconfessor> you just have to look for it
[08:00] <Noriega> whatever problem I get, there's always someone else who has already gone through it
[08:00] <kingconfessor> not always, but yeah, usually
[08:00] <Noriega> so, is kubuntu more n00b-friendly than ... Gentoo
[08:00] <kingconfessor> well i gotta bounce, time to get back to homework
[08:00] <Noriega> or debian or etc
[08:04] <othomas> Noriega: Gentoo is a GRUNT to get going but a lot of ppl love it
[08:05] <Noriega> yeah, I've heard that you need to like to get annoyed if you want to install it ;)
[08:05] <othomas> hahaha yup
[08:06] <Noriega> but all these ubuntu, kubuntu, debian, mandrake etc etc are different configurations to the linux kernel (updated every now and then) which in its turn is based on unix.
[08:06] <Noriega> am I right so far?
[08:07] <foodcoman> That description works for me.
[08:07] <Noriega> I see
[08:07] <Noriega> whoa, there's a live CD version of kubuntu!?
[08:08] <othomas> yeah ur right, the new debian release does not work on these old pc parts
[08:08] <othomas> yep there is
[08:08] <Noriega> "The live CD allows you to try Kubuntu without changing your computer at all." so it's like Knoppix?
[08:08] <Noriega> boot cd
[08:08] <othomas> uhhuh
[08:08] <foodcoman> slow, but a good test drive.
[08:08] <Noriega> far out, I'll download it right away :)
[08:08] <Noriega> aha
[08:09] <othomas> the live CD worked fine but the install hangs on my puter
[08:09] <foodcoman> I like the concept, if you saved all your configuration on a usb key, you basically could take your limited OS with you anywhere, BootCD and USB Key.
[08:10] <Noriega> othomas :/
[08:10] <foodcoman> That is what Mandrake Move was trying to accomplish.
[08:10] <Noriega> foodcoman: good idea, can it be done?
[08:10] <Noriega> aha
[08:10] <foodcoman> Sure it can!
[08:10] <foodcoman> Once again......Slow and limitations.
[08:10] <Noriega> can I mount my hd in it?
[08:11] <Noriega> btw are there any good desktop publishing program for Linux?
[08:11] <othomas> actually, it is a great idea as long as your not into fine tuning to your taste
[08:11] <foodcoman> True that othomas!
[08:11] <Noriega> I saw one... PageStream
[08:12] <foodcoman> Do you need fancy or just advance Word processing?
[08:12] <othomas> ewww fancy or advanced...LOL
[08:12] <foodcoman> Kubuntu Live with come with OpenOffice 2 Beta.  Writer, Draw, Impression, Calc, blah suite.
[08:13] <othomas> *passes a cigar
[08:13] <Noriega> prferably fancier ;)
[08:13] <Noriega> to make pdfs and whatnot
[08:14] <foodcoman> OOo will export to PDF, but may not have the bells you need.
[08:14] <Noriega> and with more freedom for layout
[08:14] <Noriega> bells?
[08:14] <foodcoman> More freedom for layout = Nude beach.
[08:14] <Spudchat> lol
[08:14] <foodcoman> bells = bling bling
[08:14] <foodcoman> Fancy options.
[08:14] <foodcoman> Advanced features
[08:14] <othomas> OMG..such filth on IRC!! shame!
[08:14] <foodcoman> hehehe
[08:15] <othomas> heh
[08:15] <foodcoman> I am drawing a picture like and artist.
[08:15] <Noriega> where are you guys from?
[08:15] <othomas> SC, US here
[08:15] <foodcoman> "Men are from Mars"
[08:16] <Noriega> SC = South Carolina?
[08:16] <Spudchat> chicago
[08:16] <Noriega> had any hurricane yet?
[08:16] <othomas> women from venus
[08:16] <foodcoman> Oregon
[08:16] <Noriega> Sweden here
[08:16] <othomas> i used to live in oregon, what part foodco?
[08:17] <foodcoman> Eugene
[08:17] <othomas> ahhh college town
[08:17] <libben> anyone knows in wich package the "Saab" font resides in?
[08:17] <foodcoman> I am only telling you this because I have payed for my crimes and am a lawful person now.
[08:17] <foodcoman> =)
[08:18] <othomas> LOL
[08:18] <othomas> sorry libbon, not me
[08:18] <othomas> *libben
[08:18] <foodcoman> No clue here.
[08:19] <othomas> !ALARM !ALARM!
[08:19] <ubotu> othomas: Do they come in packets of five?
[08:19] <Noriega> libben: a font used by the car's commercials??
[08:19] <Noriega> *in
[08:20] <Noriega> then it might be specially made for them, and it's not available for others
[08:21] <foodcoman> I saw a great commercial, I think VW... Suicide Bomber tried to blow up car and it just blows up inside car only!  Windows go black.
[08:21] <libben> well, 
[08:21] <libben> i had a font earlier, thats named saab
[08:21] <libben> and it was stylish,.
[08:21] <Noriega> oh
[08:21] <Noriega> foodcoman: not red?
[08:22] <libben> i installed two font packages at that time,.. one was msstcorefonts and the other i cant remember, it was a popular i think
[08:22] <Noriega> I guess they lost terrorists as a consumer group then
[08:23] <foodcoman> Here it is.
[08:23] <foodcoman> http://falsepositives.blogspot.com/vw-suicide-bomber.mov
[08:23] <othomas> libben: start here.. http://guca.sourceforge.net/typography/fonts/saab/
[08:23] <othomas> wb _root
[08:24] <_root> hi
[08:25] <foodcoman> What repo has the MS codecs?
[08:26] <_root> dunno
[08:29] <foodcoman> hrmmm.
[08:31] <libben> foodcoman: enable all repos on synaptic
[08:32] <foodcoman> libben: You think breezy will have the line?
[08:32] <johlin> I have got a iso with my unattended windows xp sp2 installation cd. I've heard that instead of burning it, you can mount it, copy to a hd-parttition and then tell grub to boot from it. How would I do this?
[08:32] <johlin> I know how to mount an iso-image, but not the rest
[08:33] <foodcoman> I saw a website once on this.
[08:34] <foodcoman> mkisofs is one of the commands
[08:34] <foodcoman> I think then its a mount command after that.
[08:34] <othomas> i thought you just pushed "play"
[08:34] <johlin> play?
[08:34] <foodcoman> Google with that info and you should get a hit.
[08:34] <foodcoman> mount iso mkisofs
[08:34] <johlin> yeah, I'll try
[08:34] <foodcoman> =)
[08:35] <johlin> and after that, I think just copy it to the root of an emtpy partiton and then tell grub to boot from it
[08:35] <johlin> but I'll tell you what google tells me
[08:35] <othomas> if you have an empty partition, why not install it?
[08:35] <foodcoman> Sorry I dont have more.  Its been awhile since I read it.
[08:36] <Noriega> well, I'll try the Kubuntu Live CD later then, bye!
[08:36] <foodcoman> I was looking at it from the crypto loopback aspect.
[08:36] <johlin> first hit tells me it's not possible, but I've read a thread on neowin somewhere that said it is indeed possible :-/
[08:37] <othomas> yes it is, but i don't remember how to do it..
[08:37] <foodcoman> Ok, I gotta go get lunch for me and my boy!  Then I will get online from home.  1/2 day saweet.
[08:37] <johlin> okay
[08:37] <johlin> bye
[08:37] <johlin> http://www.neowin.net/forum/index.php?s=3a995bc559876ad3ed0f3f8c361b1585&showtopic=305843
[08:37] <othomas> lol, bye
[08:37] <johlin> that is the thread by the way
[08:40] <othomas> it doesn't open johlin
[08:40] <johlin> what doesn't open?
[08:40] <johlin> othomas
[08:40] <othomas> ur web addy
[08:41] <johlin> the link?
[08:41] <othomas> uhhuh
[08:41] <johlin> or what? sorry. what web addy?
[08:41] <othomas> http://www.neowin.net/forum/index.php?s=3a995bc559876ad3ed0f3f8c361b1585&showtopic=305843
[08:42] <johlin> what about that doesn't work?
[08:42] <othomas> it doesn't open when i click it
[08:43] <johlin> try copying and pasting, does that work?
[08:43] <othomas> sec
[08:44] <johlin> othomas: if not, try this: http://tinyurl.com/a8947
[08:44] <othomas> yep..:) that works
[08:44] <johlin> what irc-client do you use?
[08:44] <johlin> the link opens fine in Konversation
[08:44] <othomas> right now is X-chat
[08:44] <libben> anyone has a deb file or place to get some homemade deb files that work? i need a deb file of the newest java. 1.5.04
[08:45] <johlin> isn't that on apt-get then?
[08:45] <libben> not the newest.
[08:45] <johlin> updated the list? added universe respository?
[08:46] <othomas> if you dl it from sun, you get a bin file..then make it executable and then type ./java***.bin and it installs, you need to be root when you do this
[08:47] <laszlok> does anyone have the newest firefox installed from apt-get?
[08:48] <othomas> i have 1.06
[08:48] <johlin> I have it too
[08:48] <johlin> anyone knows what qt to install to make firefox look good, as it does in gnome?
[08:49] <libben> made this step, download the .bin file from java.sun.com, sudo apt-get install java-package, chmod +x [the .bin file] , fakeroot make-jpkg [the bin file] , sudo dpkg -i [the generated .deb file] 
[08:49] <othomas> gnome?.. lol
[08:49] <johlin> yes?
[08:50] <othomas> it looks the same in gnome or kde to me
[08:50] <johlin> ok, could you please look in kynaptic, use the find-thing, type qt and tell me what qt-packages you have?
[08:50] <johlin> that would be nice
[08:51] <othomas> sec
[08:51] <johlin> thanks
[08:52] <libben> hmm
[08:52] <libben> when i type java -version
[08:52] <othomas> 3.3.3.3-7
[08:52] <johlin> or...othomas, sorry. I meant gtk
[08:52] <libben> i get java version "1.4.2"
[08:52] <johlin> I think
[08:52] <johlin> hmm
[08:54] <laszlok> actually the .bin just extracts to the current directory
[08:54] <laszlok> you can install it in your home or in /usr/
[08:54] <laszlok> if you want it to be recognized as installed, you have to change /usr/bin/java to point to the new jre
[08:55] <libben> how
[08:55] <libben> im a noob
[08:55] <libben> so im asking u how.
[08:55] <libben> and i wanna know what i have on my system
[09:02] <othomas> !OMG! it's beer time in Berlin!
[09:02] <ubotu> Syntax error in line 1, othomas
[09:02] <othomas>  !OMG! it's beer time in Berlin!
[09:03] <othomas> hi gdh
[09:04] <othomas> hi kalen
[09:04] <gdh> =)
[09:04] <othomas> another great day..:)
[09:05] <kalenedrael> Hello.
[09:06] <othomas>  :)
[09:06] <laszlok> johlin: make firefox look like kde?
[09:07] <libben> laszlok: ive installed my own made deb package.
[09:07] <othomas> gads, i hate that..lol
[09:07] <libben> but it still says 1.4.2 on java --version
[09:08] <othomas> i installed the sun package and it works fine
[09:08] <libben> http://pastebin.com/365762
[09:08] <laszlok> johlin: you can use a theme or the gtk-qt engine to make firefox look like a kde app
[09:10] <Tm_T> I thought to buy Ubuntu-mug
[09:10] <Tm_T> but can't :/
[09:11] <othomas> sorry TM
[09:12] <libben> anyone has any help for me on the java thingy from my pastebin?
[09:14] <laszlok> libben: there is a symbolic link pointing to java 1.4.2 in /etc/alternatives
[09:14] <laszlok> when you type java -version
[09:14] <laszlok> it goes to /usr/bin/java which links to /etc/alternatives/java which links to /usr/lib/j2se/1.4
[09:15] <othomas> libben: http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.5.0/download.jsp
[09:16] <libben> jre-1_5_0_04-linux-i586.bin othomas allready downloaded this bin and made a deb of it with fakeroot and make-jpkg
[09:16] <libben> laszlok: how can i deinstall the j2se/1.4 ?
[09:18] <othomas> no quotes thought
[09:18] <othomas> though
[09:18] <othomas> too
[09:19] <libben> no quotes ?
[09:19] <libben> http://pastebin.com/365779
[09:19] <libben> i have the folder
[09:19] <libben> but why does java-version says 1.4.2 ?
[09:19] <libben> where is this existing and how can i remove it and get the new java in
[09:20] <othomas> just do the new one, it will remove the old one..
[09:20] <othomas> forget makeing it a deb package
[09:21] <libben> hmm... i get some errors in the beggining when im doing the deb file from a bin file. can be that... anyone has a good deb file?
[09:22] <othomas> forget that..just do the make executable and then do the ./<filename> thing
[09:23] <libben> well, problem is i dont know that step =)
[09:25] <othomas> ok, open konqueror as root..find the file and right click..select properties, select executable, close konqueror.. open root window.. type ./<filename> and then say yes to license prompt
[09:27] <fabbio> hey
[09:27] <othomas> hi fabbio
[09:27] <fabbio> is any kubuntu expert here ?
[09:27] <fabbio> Helle othomas
[09:27] <othomas> lol nmot me
[09:28] <fabbio> :(
[09:28] <othomas> not too
[09:29] <libben> othomas: is that all?
[09:29] <othomas> apokyphos is pretty good but he is away..:(
[09:29] <fabbio> bah ..
[09:29] <fabbio> i'll get a solution alone
[09:29] <fabbio> thanks
[09:30] <othomas> sorry
[09:30] <fabbio> :)
[09:30] <othomas> what's the question?
[09:30] <fabbio> mmhh ... usb problem
[09:30] <othomas> eckk..what's the error?
[09:31] <laszlok> ok find out where the deb installed the java 1.5
[09:31] <fabbio> is it for me ?
[09:31] <fabbio> What the point with java ???
[09:31] <libben> no
[09:31] <libben> its for me
[09:31] <fabbio> ok :d
[09:31] <fabbio> :)
[09:32] <libben> laszlok: im doing the ./filename.bin now
[09:32] <othomas> fabbio: what's the error
[09:32] <fabbio>  <othomas> sorry
[09:32] <fabbio> well
[09:32] <othomas>  :)
[09:32] <fabbio> i don't succeed in getting my usb flash memory visible from the "media center" of Kde
[09:32] <libben> othomas: still says 1.4.2 when i do a java -version
[09:33] <fabbio> I can browse it
[09:33] <fabbio> with a console
[09:33] <fabbio> in /media/sda1
[09:33] <fabbio> but it remains invisible in the "media:/" in nautilus
[09:33] <othomas> fabbio: now that's weird
[09:34] <fabbio> I was wondering where to configure this ...
[09:34] <mendred> fabbio: u using breezy>
[09:34] <mendred> ?
[09:34] <fabbio> yes
[09:34] <mendred> see i had the problem today morning
[09:34] <mendred> then i did an upgrade
[09:34] <mendred> and it started working
[09:34] <libben> laszlok: wanna remote my box ? and check in it for a sec... ? i really wanna know what the problem is.
[09:35] <fabbio> well i did an upgrade yesterday
[09:35] <othomas> ewww, provocative
[09:35] <fabbio> but i 'm gonna try afgain
[09:35] <mendred> othomas : ??
[09:36] <othomas> just an outside comment..
[09:36] <othomas>  :)
[09:36] <mendred> fabbio: breezy is changing real fast..i am like upgrading nearly every 8 to 9 hours
[09:36] <mendred> :)
[09:36] <fabbio> ok
[09:36] <othomas> breezy install hung when it hit my USB drives
[09:36] <fabbio> thantks
[09:36] <mendred> othomas: ?
[09:37] <mendred> othomas: u are doing a fresh install?
[09:37] <mendred> othomas: i upgraded it from hoary so no issues here
 I'm not very familiar with kynaptic, but it says that my system is uptodate and doesn't need to be upgraded
[09:39] <fabbio> maybe have i a bad source list ?
[09:39] <fabbio> for the repositories ...
[09:40] <libben> othomas: 
[09:40] <libben> now what'
[09:40] <libben> done the part
[09:40] <_mendred> try reloading 
[09:41] <_mendred> the package list
[09:41] <libben> ./file.bin
[09:41] <_mendred> nah doubt u have a bad source list
[09:43] <othomas> lot of lag today...whew
[09:44] <othomas> cya blowjob
[09:45] <othomas> waves at remaining crowd.. :)
[09:45] <laszlok> sudo apt-get remove j2se1.4
[09:45] <laszlok> but it look closely at what is says to make sure it doesnt try to reinstall
[09:45] <laszlok> another java
[09:45] <laszlok> it might not recongzine the deb you installed as satisfying java requirments for openoffice
[09:45] <laszlok> it might be better just to leave j2se1.4 installed, and change the /usr/bin/java link to java1.5
[09:47] <johlin> I have a problem. When I restart or shut down the computer, first kicker crashes, and then kubuntu can't acess klauncher
[09:47] <johlin> is this know problem?
[09:48] <othomas> not that i know of
[09:48] <fabbio> neither I am
[09:55] <libben> I dont get it, why cant i get a simple help from anyone ? how to make my java working in breezy?
[09:57] <othomas> libben: maybe it is because you don't know what the real problem is
[09:58] <libben> well, im trying to figure it out? =)
[09:58] <libben> why does java -version spits out that i have 1.4.2
[09:58] <libben> when i even done the step u said.
[09:59] <othomas> libben: we understand that, did not mean to seem rude..but it is hard to diagnose without the symptoms
[10:00] <libben> well, someone wanna point me to a addy that has handmade debs that works?
[10:00] <libben> i know debian has a place like that.
[10:00] <libben> any luck for something like that for this.
[10:01] <othomas> libben: what is the problem? is it just office ur haveing trouble with? does the web say your not up to date?
[10:03] <libben> azureus wont work. says something about gzip header wrong.... and i have the newest azuerus that needs the newest java
[10:03] <libben> well, azureus will start and all that...
[10:04] <libben> but when i download a .torrent and start it in azureus, it tells me about the gzip header.
[10:04] <othomas> ohhhh
[10:04] <othomas> dl the new torrent then
[10:05] <libben> well it happends even on the update part of azureus. so its not the torrent files. its something else
[10:05] <libben> update part is the tracker plugin to start with
[10:05] <libben> then ill try to download something else. and those will also generate this output.
[10:06] <othomas> the problem might be the lawsuits hitting torrent servers..
[10:10] <libben> othomas: well it never appeared on *caugh*cauXP*caugh
[10:16] <johlin> I have a small problem. Before doing this stupid thing, I could apt-get as myself. But after executing a apt-get command from the "run command"-thing on the menu, it just says that it can't lock /var/lib/apt/lists/lock - acess denied, but it works fine as root, and I can run kynaptic as myself
[10:18] <slow-motion> hello
[10:29] <Chousuke> Heh.
[10:29] <Chousuke> I guess this Megahal doesn't like KDE: 23:28 <@SeppoBot> Chousuke: Ok this "corset" fits much better than kde.
[10:29] <Chousuke> Everyone's entitled to their own opinion, ;P
[10:47] <laszlok> johlin: see if any processess are running that lock the file
[10:47] <laszlok> kill any dpkg or kynaptic
[10:47] <laszlok> libben: i have time now to do a remote desktop if you want me to check it out
[10:50] <libben> laszlok: what is it supposed to say if u have installed the newest?
[10:50] <libben> what does ur java -version say?
[11:23] <libben> laszlok: what did u do?
[11:23] <libben> sry, was away... needed to cook for my gf, shes lazy
[11:27] <laszlok> java version "1.5.0_05"
[11:27] <laszlok> Java(TM) 2 Runtime Environment, Standard Edition (build 1.5.0_05-b05)
[11:27] <laszlok> Java HotSpot(TM) Client VM (build 1.5.0_05-b05, mixed mode, sharing)
[11:28] <libben> ur on breezy?
[11:29] <libben> getting tired.... thinking of wrestling this problem tomorrow... nn all
[11:30] <libben> laszlok: ill hook up later.
[11:32] <_robert> is there any ubuntu equivalence to http://packages.qa.debian.org?
[11:33] <johlin> this is probloby a really simple question, but anyway. I have a partiton that only root has got rw permissions to, my user has only got read-acess. what exactly do I change to give myself write-acess to that partiton?
[11:37] <_robert> johlin: sudo su to root and change permissions on the folder you wanny write to
[11:40] <_hippie> johlin: edited fstab for change?
[11:41] <laszlok> libben: you still there?
[11:45] <johlin> _robert: with chmod...right? what flags should I feed it? _hippie: I did, when I couldn't write files to that partition
[11:46] <seth_k|lappy> Amarok 1.3 is in Breezy; my life is complete
[11:46] <johlin> amarok won't start for my any longer :(
[11:46] <johlin> great player though
[11:47] <johlin> it's bouncing at the mouse-pointer for a few secs, and then just disappears
[11:52] <florg> amarok doesn't play anything for me :(
[11:53] <seth_k|lappy> works fine for me
[11:53] <seth_k|lappy> plays everything
[11:53] <seth_k|lappy> except protected wmas
[11:53] <florg> in Breezy?
[11:53] <seth_k|lappy> yeah
[11:54] <laszlok> did anyone else notice the breezy repositories are going a lot faster now, or is it just me?
[11:54] <seth_k|lappy> just you methinks
[11:54] <seth_k|lappy> or at least not me :P
[11:55] <seth_k|lappy> I always get really fast speeds
[11:55] <seth_k|lappy> which repo do you use?
[11:56] <lonewolff> yeah same here, usually max out my connection no bother when updating
[11:58] <abbas_sahbaz>  m using kubuntu ppc 5.10 but cd isn't eject
[11:58] <abbas_sahbaz> on keyboard
[11:59] <florg> has anyone observed the fact that the kde desktop will not update the symbols when extracting a file on it?
[12:00] <lonewolff> abbas_sahbaz: you should be able to set that up with hotkeys in the kde setting dialogue, but i've never bother trying