[12:30] <hunger> Riddell: The new 3.5 kdm theme has all messed up fonts here (130dpi display): They run over icons and everything.
[01:01] <apokryphos> \sh: how did the amaroking go?
[01:03] <crimsun> apokryphos: http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/a/amarok/2:1.3.1-0ubuntu1/
[01:04] <\sh> apokryphos: hit the archives long ago :)
[01:04] <apokryphos> heh, ok, great stuff.
[01:04] <\sh> apokryphos: say thx to mark and matt :)
[01:04] <apokryphos> crimsun: it's in breezy now
[01:04] <crimsun> apokryphos: I know
[01:04] <apokryphos> \sh: allowing it in? Cool. 8)
[01:04] <crimsun> we're more current than OpenSUSE ;)
[01:05] <\sh> apokryphos: yes..mark wanted it..and matt said yes..
[01:05] <apokryphos> Mark using kde apps? Perfect; will have to jump on him for the full conversion :D
[01:10] <apokryphos> he does seem to know quite a bit about kde though; saw his talk at the kde aKademy; good stuff
[01:11] <\sh> apokryphos: no...he is listening 
[01:11] <\sh> apokryphos: and reads MLs
[01:11] <\sh> apokryphos: he likes the community work :)
[01:11] <\sh> apokryphos: anyways..it was matt decision to break the freeze
[01:12] <apokryphos> good to hear
[01:12] <apokryphos> right
[02:01] <apokryphos> KGet integration with Konqueror seems to be completely bust
[02:02] <apokryphos> understandable to not have it as a default (though I think it would be cool for 3.5, since they've done the whole "make kget cool" project, and it actually looks nice now), but still 8)
[02:16] <\sh> apokryphos: do u see amaroks memory leak?
[02:17] <apokryphos> \sh: the one from your repo or one in breezy now?
[02:17] <\sh> the one in breezy 
[02:17] <apokryphos> Your one ran fine for the couple of hours I used it (as I mentioned). Just fired up breezy one now -- no problems yet
[02:18] <\sh> apokryphos: it's the same actually
[02:18] <\sh> because I have a bugreport about mem leak and it's true
[02:18] <apokryphos> no idiosyncrasies from amarok yet
[02:18] <\sh> but only when it plays mp3
[02:18] <apokryphos> I only ever play mp3s
[02:18] <\sh> gsrteamer0.8-mad
[02:19] <apokryphos> hm, I use xine engine
[02:20] <apokryphos> but wait, you're saying the problem's with -mad? Doesn't everyone in ubu-gnome use that for mp3s?
[02:20] <\sh> yes
[02:21] <\sh> I know it's there...but I'm not sure if it's amarok itself, or gstreamer...I guess it's gstreamer
[02:21] <apokryphos> I doubt it. Surely others would've noticed it (and previous versions of amarok would have had the problem, no?)
[02:22] <\sh> apokryphos: 1.2.4 had problems as well 
[02:23] <apokryphos> weird, never heard anyone report such things in IRC, and I used gstreamer engine myself for a few days
[02:23] <apokryphos> could be another annoying sporadic one
[02:23] <apokryphos> (like Konqueror crashes, gah)
[02:24] <\sh> apokryphos: if u see something please comment on http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=15617
[02:25] <apokryphos> will do
[02:25] <\sh> thx
[02:25] <apokryphos> will run gst engine too for the timebeing
[02:26] <apokryphos> bug so far looks, erm, helpful :D
[04:46] <mitsuhiko> moin all
[10:32] <author_> hi guys
[10:34] <\sh> hi author_ 
[10:35] <author_> hi \sh
[12:38] <hunger> Is it possible to move the kdm theme files into /etcc?
[12:38] <hunger> I need to adjust the font sizes and those settings keep getting overwritten on updates.
[01:36] <Riddell> hunger: adjust the sizes to something that works and I'll include that in the next update
[01:44] <\sh> Riddell: the mem leak in amarok is back...and I think it's the engines
[02:53] <mitsuhiko> \sh: amarok sucks :(
[02:53] <mitsuhiko> \sh: crashes while playing. for testing i compiled 1.3.1 also and i'm getting the same errors
[02:53] <mitsuhiko> \sh: maybe you should upload 1.3-beta3
[02:54] <\sh> too late
[02:55] <\sh> I had those crashes  too this morning after starting up my laptop...
[02:55] <\sh> but only with gstreamer
[02:55] <\sh> engine
[03:27] <Riddell> does kaffeine video work for people?
[03:30] <\sh> no
[03:30] <\sh> i have a funny colorful display..but no video...
[03:31] <\sh> gstreamer that is
[03:32] <mitsuhiko> strange. gstreamer worked everytime fine for me
[03:34] <\sh> lemme try xine engine
[03:35] <\sh> xine engine works correct
[04:50] <Mez> why has the whole of KDE been rebuilt?
[04:57] <mitsuhiko> \sh: you're right. xine seems to work
[04:58] <mitsuhiko> very strange
[05:37] <Mez> ooh, I like the new artwork
[05:38] <hunger> Mez: So do I... but the fonts are too big in the kdm theme here.
[05:38] <Mez> not for me, though my desktop icons seem bigger for some reason
[05:39] <mitsuhiko> new artwork?
[05:39] <mitsuhiko> anyone screenshots?
[05:43] <Mez> http://www.sourceguru.net/ubuntu/newartwork.png
[05:43] <Mez> just the desktop wallpper, but it's a start
[05:58] <mitsuhiko> Mez: nice
[05:58] <mitsuhiko> Mez: you should replace the crystal iconset with nouvaXT
[06:02] <Mez> .../
[06:04] <mitsuhiko> :)
[06:05] <Mez> what is that?
[06:05] <Mez> I cant find it anywhere
[06:10] <mitsuhiko> Mez: http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=26449
[06:16] <_tonio> hi
[06:17] <_tonio> I was discussing with DH concerning a package that gives :non-dev-pkg-with-shlib-symlink usr/lib/libkatalog.so.0.0.0 usr/lib/libkatalog.so with lintian
[06:17] <Riddell> _tonio: DH?
[06:17] <Riddell> oh, daniel
[06:17] <_tonio> is it really a problem if a package installs a lib if there is no corresponding dev package ?
[06:18] <_tonio> Daniel (dh@mailempfang.de)
[06:18] <_tonio> he is not sure of what to think of that error
[06:18] <Riddell> _tonio: if that package is the only package that's going to use that library I don't see a problem, but it shouldn't then install dev files like .h and unnecessary symlinks
[06:18] <_tonio> I have seen that your katapult package is built the same way
[06:18] <_tonio> so I can paste that to Daniel
[06:19] <Riddell> you can try, me and Daniel don't always agree on packaging best practice :)
[06:19] <_tonio> and because I have you, the is a change in breezy on katapult package, it seems to be configure not to display in the tray right ?
[06:20] <_tonio> yes I know Daniel is STRICT ! But that helps progressing lol
[06:20] <_tonio> I'm gonna package about 23 kde apps this week ;)
[06:20] <Riddell> _tonio: yes, unnecessary systray icons are evil
[06:20] <Riddell> _tonio: cool, what are you going to package?
[06:20] <_tonio> well the non displaying of katapult causes a problem if you change the global hotkeys to fit for example to windows one
[06:21] <_tonio> you loose the alt+space and have no possibility to change it 
[06:21] <_tonio> let me tell you.......
[06:21] <Riddell> _tonio: well why would you change it to that then 
[06:21] <_tonio> why ? because I unfortunatly have to work with both all the day and having the same shorcuts is better ;)
[06:22] <_tonio> so I generally change kde defaut hotkeys to fit to windows ones
[06:23] <Riddell> and you changed katapult to what?
[06:23] <_tonio> well that's specific I admit, but hidding the icon can cause a problem if you want to play with hotkeys.....
[06:23] <_tonio> I didn't change katapult to something
[06:23] <Riddell> you changed KDE to "windows shortcuts"?
[06:24] <_tonio> it was alt+space, like by default, but apparently changing the global hotkeys crashed that
[06:24] <_tonio> windows hotkeys excuse me
[06:24] <_tonio> that causes katapult's alt+space not to work
[06:25] <Riddell> I just changed KDE to "Windows Scheme with Win Key" and it's still there
[06:25] <Riddell> are you sure you have katapult running?
[06:26] <_tonio> yep
[06:27] <_tonio> Certainly a local problem, I'll check by myself, forget that ;)
[06:28] <_tonio> so here is the list of package i'm gonna add (of approved)
[06:28] <_tonio> scribus KleanSweep soundKonverter KDing Klear Keepass/L Tellico kxmame iList Qanava KDE DVD Authoring Wizard Wireless Assistant Smb4K kdetv  KCheckGmail KDM Theme Manager katalog klamav kbootsplash kinstaller
[06:29] <_tonio> KFTPGrabber (update to last beta more stable that 0.6)
[06:29] <_tonio> Qtparted (upgrade to 0.4.5)
[06:30] <_tonio> ahhhhhhhhh switching to windows hotkeys puts alt+space activate "window operations menu"
[06:56] <Riddell> _tonio: scribus has been packaged
[06:57] <Riddell> _tonio: I'm pretty sure smb4k has too
[06:59] <_tonio> ah ?
[06:59] <_tonio> okay, I didn't actually look at the package list
[06:59] <_tonio> I have a problem with gpg
[07:00] <_tonio> do you know if gpg.conf file has disapeared in the last version ?
[07:09] <Riddell> ~/.gnupg/options has always been the GPG configuration file
[07:11] <\sh> _tonio: kcheckgmail is packaged as well
[07:12] <\sh> katalog i saw somewhere
[07:15] <_tonio> Riddell: strangly it has dissapeared... I didn't touch at that for month, well I recreated it, bizarre............
[07:20] <_tonio> \sh: katalog isn't packaged, what you saw is probably my uploaded one no ?
[07:21] <\sh> _tonio: where? on revu?
[07:22] <_tonio> yep
[07:22] <\sh> this can be ;)
[07:22] <_tonio> still a problem with rpath actually, I'm correcting this
[07:22] <_tonio> the problem is that I lost my key during a HDD crash.........
[07:23] <_tonio> I have to wait for sirestart to validate my access with the new key
[07:34] <_tonio> \sh: concerning adept, if wy have suggestions can we email the dev ? Or is he too busy ?
[07:37] <\sh> _tonio: what? sorry...I'm watching go-open video right now ;)
[07:37] <_tonio> ah no pb
[07:38] <_tonio> well there is an important feature that is not in adept actually, and I didn't see anything concerning the addition of that in the future
[07:39] <_tonio> a function to system the system state, and import that on another machine, in order to reinstall al the packages easilly
[07:39] <_tonio> I always use that in synaptic, and even kynaptic has it...
[07:46] <Riddell> _tonio: how do you do that in kynaptic?
[08:15] <_tonio>  Riddell let me check
[08:19] <_tonio> Riddell: in fact I never use kynaptic, but there are 2 options "import marked changes" and "export marked changes"
[08:20] <_tonio> isn't thatexporting the selections ? or maybe just what you changed before applying ?
[08:27] <_tonio> okay I looked and it doesn't add already packages, just unapplyed changes... But the algo is about the same that synaptic, and the exported file is exactly the same synthax...
[08:29] <_tonio> Riddell: and to finish it is possible to import the synaptic export to install everything
[08:29] <Riddell> _tonio: how do you do it i synaptic?
[08:29] <_tonio> file
[08:29] <_tonio> export marked changes
[08:29] <_tonio> or import
[08:29] <_tonio> if you import an export done with synaptic is seems to work
[08:29] <Riddell> I don't have those options in synaptic
[08:30] <_tonio> hu ?
[08:30] <Riddell> File menu has Read Markings and Save Markings
[08:30] <_tonio> strange, I don't have that.....
[08:30] <Riddell> in breezy
[08:31] <_tonio> but in any case it is like kynaptic except that the export doesn't export the actuall selection...
[08:31] <_tonio> But hacking this part of code should be very easy I assume....
[08:31] <_tonio> Riddell: I have breezy lol ;)
[08:32] <Riddell> strange.  but file a wishlist for adept on bugs.kde.org asking for package selection import and export
[08:32] <_tonio> yep, that's a must have !
[08:33] <_tonio> you can try to import in kynaptic a synaptic selection, it'll work ;)
[08:33] <Riddell> well I could if my synaptic wanted to export its selecitons
[08:33] <_tonio> arf ;)
[08:35] <_tonio> Riddell: do you want a synaptic export to test ? with dcc
[08:36] <Riddell> _tonio: sure.  URL please
[08:38] <_tonio> Riddell: arf freenode dosn't allow... (i'm not registered)
[08:38] <_tonio> your email please ?
[08:39] <Riddell> jriddell@ubuntu.com
[08:43] <_tonio> Riddell: mail is sent
[08:44] <_tonio> sorry but my webserver is down at the moment and I don't have apache installed ;)
[08:45] <_tonio> so I didn't have any account for giving you an URL
[09:05] <Riddell> \sh: amarok was doing evil things to my computer this morning having left it on over night, which was me thinking that 1.3.1 is broken but I just relised I have 1.2.4 installed
[09:06] <\sh> Riddell: oops...
[09:19] <Riddell> _tonio: that KDM theme is cool
[09:19] <Riddell> opinions?  http://kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=29215
[09:21] <Tm_T> one moment...
[09:21] <\sh> Riddell: try it with 1.3.1 ;)
[09:22] <Tm_T> Riddell: uhm, are you serious?
[09:22] <Tm_T> TAKE IT TAKE IT!! =)
[09:22] <Tm_T> niiice
[09:22] <Tm_T> (too muvh coffee&chocolate, sorry)
[09:22] <Riddell> \sh: try what?
[09:23] <\sh> Riddell: amarok running the whole night
[09:24] <Riddell> \sh: will do tonight
[09:24] <\sh> Riddell: will do it as well...have enough mp3s for the night
[09:24] <Tm_T> \sh: ?
[09:25] <Tm_T> I do it every night (almost)
[09:25] <Tm_T> 1.3.1
[09:25] <Tm_T> so what's the problem?
[09:26] <\sh> Tm_T: 1.3.1 with gstreamer engine? and mad plugin?
[09:26] <\sh> Tm_T: http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=15617
[09:26] <Tm_T> gst yes, and mad... I think yes
[09:27] <\sh> no mem leak
[09:28] <Tm_T> haven't noticed yet
[09:28] <Tm_T> I'll test it
[09:29] <_tonio> Riddell: I love that kdm+wallpaper, really ;)
[09:30] <Riddell> I wonder if it's too Mac OS X
[09:30] <\sh> Riddell: woooo
[09:30] <\sh> nice
[09:32] <Riddell> hunger: could you try that theme on your display?
[09:33] <_tonio> for those who want to test here is the associated wallpaper : http://kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=29175
[09:34] <_tonio> I didn't found the icon theme the guy is using, which is beautifull too !!
[09:44] <mitsuhiko> hi KaiL
[09:51] <author_> re
[09:52] <mitsuhiko> wb author_
[09:52] <mitsuhiko> author_: you've got a underscore
[11:58] <Mez> Riddell: ping
[11:59] <Riddell> Mez: yo