[12:02] <johlin> I can't change owner of /shared (which is mounted partition), and chmodding it 777 still only gives all other read and execute-aces to it. what's wrong?
[12:03] <johlin> *acess
[12:04] <florg> johlin: try the options rw,user,exec,gid=XXXX,uid=XXXX in fstab
[12:04] <johlin> where xxx is my user id?
[12:05] <florg> yes
[12:05] <florg> this works for me
[12:05] <johlin> gid=xxxx also
[12:05] <johlin> ?
[12:05] <florg> you may try without
[12:05] <johlin> okay
[12:05] <johlin> thanks
[12:06] <johlin> and what was the command to reload fstab now again?
[12:06] <florg> first sudo umount -a and then sudo mount -a is the easiest
[12:07] <johlin> doesn't that unmount / and /home and whatnot?
[12:07] <florg> not /
[12:07] <florg> it will show a message that / will not umounted
[12:07] <johlin> but /home (another partition)
[12:07] <johlin> ?
[12:07] <johlin> whatever
[12:07] <johlin> I'll try then
[12:07] <florg> yes
[12:08] <johlin> yeah. that worked
[12:08] <johlin> many thanks
[12:09] <florg> np
[12:09] <johlin> gotta go to bed now, it's late (0:11 to be exact)
[12:09] <johlin> I'll be back tomorrow
[12:09] <johlin> bye guys
[12:09] <_kg> bye
[12:12] <florg> that's so disappointing - nearly nothing runs decently in kde 3.4.2 :(
[12:12] <nalioth_zZz> florg: cutting edge hurts sometimes
[12:13] <florg> really... waht now?
[12:13] <florg> back to gnome ,)
[12:19] <snatch> Looking for a way to mount a fat32 drive.
[12:19] <lonewolff> snatch: mount -t vfat /dev/whatever /mnt/point
[12:19] <snatch> what about ntfs
[12:21] <nalioth> !tell snatch about ntfs
[12:21] <nalioth> snatch: the bot loves you
[12:43] <slow-motion> bye
[01:24] <blackflag> haello all :-)
[01:24] <blackflag> can some say me what is the kdepath ?
[01:25] <nalioth> kdepath?
[01:25] <blackflag> Is that correct /usr ?
[01:26] <blackflag> yes I want to compile a program
[01:26] <nalioth> type in your konsole echo $PATH
[01:26] <blackflag> and there is a need for a correct path 
[01:27] <blackflag> file or directory not found
[01:27] <blackflag> ?
[01:28] <nalioth> blackflag: that command works for me
[01:28] <blackflag> root@ubuntu:~# echo $PATH
[01:28] <blackflag> /usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/X11R6/bin
[01:28] <blackflag> root@ubuntu:~#                                                              
[01:28] <nalioth> open a console and type "echo $PATH
[01:28] <nalioth> there's your path
[01:29] <blackflag> but there a different pathes
[01:29] <chavo> blackflag, what are you compiling?
[01:30] <blackflag> ksirk, knights
[01:30] <nalioth> blackflag: type "which konqueror"
[01:30] <chavo> blackflag, do you have kde-devel package installed?
[01:30] <blackflag> yes
[01:33] <apokryphos> what's the actual problem?
[01:34] <apokryphos> The kde prefix is /usr, and doesn't really need to be in your PATH
[01:34] <apokryphos> you can have the KDEDIRS variable (KDEDIR is technically obsolete), but it's not *really* needed
[01:34] <apokryphos> on compiling kde programs, though, you should specify --prefix=/usr 
[01:35] <blackflag> ah okay, but when I comile "make" then there is an error and I get the message rerun ./configure or something like this
[01:35] <apokryphos> blackflag: can you pastebin the error then?
[01:35] <apokryphos> and, what is it you're trying to compile?
[01:35] <blackflag> and I tried it also with --prefix=/usr
[01:36] <blackflag> moment, runningconfigure again inthe moment
[01:36] <apokryphos> blackflag: what app?
[01:37] <blackflag> ksirc, its a game from kde-apps.org
[01:37] <apokryphos> ksirc is an irc-client, too; heh
[01:37] <apokryphos> blackflag: you'll need libx11-dev and kde-devel if you don't have them already
[01:38] <apokryphos> blackflag: are you sure that's the name? I don't see it.
[01:38] <nalioth> blackflag: you'll need the kde development librarys
[01:38] <blackflag> yes look here:
[01:38] <blackflag> http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=21450
[01:39] <apokryphos> that's ksirK :)
[01:39] <blackflag> I am the meaning that I have all these devel 's
[01:39] <blackflag> ups, liitle difference :)
[01:41] <apokryphos> blackflag: ok, well, let us know any errors you get (if you do)
[01:42] <blackflag> getting now new errors:
[01:42] <blackflag> http://pastebin.com/365987
[01:43] <nalioth> the code apparently wasnt written well
[01:44] <apokryphos> ok, Greek, but it's useless on IRC. :D
[01:44] <gdh> hehe, unicode!!??!? eh1?!? :)
[01:44] <gdh> bloody mirc + windows
[01:45] <apokryphos> yuck
[01:45] <blackflag> hmm ,but I have always errors with compiling
[01:46] <blackflag> all what I get from kde-apps.org gives me such errors
[01:46] <blackflag> so Im the meaning I do it wrong
[01:46] <blackflag> but what?
[01:46] <apokryphos> blackflag: looks like dodgy code to me (from my make), but I can't be sure.
[01:46] <apokryphos> blackflag: what else have you tried?
[01:47] <apokryphos> kde-apps is a repsitory generally of 3rd-party applications. Don't quite carry the weight of kde things (or others in extragear, often)
[01:47] <blackflag> kadventure
[01:47] <apokryphos> blackflag: doesn't kdegames have enough games? ;-)
[01:48] <blackflag> so I have to search for another kde source?
[01:48] <blackflag> no, need more action
[01:48] <apokryphos> another source -- no, not really
[01:48] <gdh> at least buy an Xbox and warez games for it like any decent human being :)
[01:48] <gdh> leave a computer for computing :)
[01:48] <blackflag> and I want some old arcade games
[01:48] <apokryphos> kde-apps is easily the best out there for 3rd-party kde applications
[01:49] <blackflag> but why I have such problems?
[01:49] <blackflag> is that an ubuntu issue?
[01:49] <apokryphos> blackflag: I don't know about others, but that one seems like dodgy code
[01:49] <apokryphos> again, as i said, I can't be sure.
[01:49] <blackflag> okay I try another
[01:50] <blackflag> moment...
[01:50] <nalioth> it does appear to be not well coded
[01:50] <apokryphos> kadventure doesn't provide proper compile source code pack, anyhow. Not sure what it's written in.
[01:56] <wildman> is there an easy way to 'transform' kubuntu in ubuntu?
[01:56] <apokryphos> wildman: remove kde or just add gnome?
[01:56] <wildman> apokryphos: both? :)
[01:56] <blackflag> trying kxmame, new package out since yesterday
[01:56] <wildman> just adding gnome will be a good start apokryphos 
[01:56] <apokryphos> wildman: you can add all ubuntu stuff by installing ubuntu-desktop
[01:57] <wildman> running synaptic
[01:57] <wildman> I'm asking cuz I'm having some apps (kicker included) segfaulting on me sporadically
[01:57] <apokryphos> removing kde stuff... you could use debfoster in conjugation with ubuntu/kubuntu desktop
[01:58] <apokryphos> ...which would in theory get rid of everything. Pretty much everything would be removed if you remove kdelibs etc
[01:58] <apokryphos> so you could do that
[01:58] <apokryphos> hm, weird.
[01:58] <apokryphos> wildman: what kde version?
[01:58] <wildman> euh.... kubuntu5.04 x86_64's default
[02:00] <apokryphos> wildman: install kde 3.4.2
[02:00] <wildman> 3.4.0-0ubuntu3
[02:00] <apokryphos> !kde342
[02:00] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, kde342 is at http://kubuntu.org/hoary-kde-342.php
[02:01] <wildman> ok...
[02:02] <wildman> installing kde3.4.2 from that site first... if I keep having pbs, I'll install ubuntu-desktop. thx.
[02:02] <apokryphos> wildman: yes, just add that repository there, sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[02:02] <apokryphos> and you're good to go
[02:03] <wildman> k
[02:03] <wildman> doin it
[02:04] <wildman> synaptic couldn't add one of the repos:
[02:04] <wildman> http://kubuntu.org/hoary-kde342/dists/deb/hoary-updates/binary-amd64/Packages.gz: 404 Not Found
[02:04] <wildman> http://kubuntu.org/hoary-kde342/dists/deb/main/binary-amd64/Packages.gz: 404 Not Found
[02:05] <nalioth> wildman: you are out of luck
[02:05] <apokryphos> wildman: ah, you didn't mention you were on 64-bit
[02:05] <wildman> yes, I did ;)
[02:05] <wildman> "euh.... kubuntu5.04 x86_64's default"
[02:05] <nalioth> wildman: pkgs dont exist yet for ppc and amd64
[02:05] <apokryphos> yeah, packages weren't made for it
[02:05] <wildman> see x86_64? ;)
[02:05] <apokryphos> wildman: heh, must've skipped over it =)
[02:05] <wildman> no pb
[02:05] <wildman> ok, installing ubuntu-desktop meanwhile anyway
[02:05] <apokryphos> alrighty
[02:09] <wildman> nalioth: any idea on when can I expect amd64 kde3.4.2 pkgs?
[02:10] <apokryphos> wildman: they probably won't be released at all -- breezy is just around the corner
[02:10] <apokryphos> (and that will come with them)
[02:10] <wildman> ok...
[02:10] <wildman> thx
[02:10] <apokryphos> 3.5 packs will be for 64-bit too, also, of course.
[02:10] <nalioth> wildman: i'm sure they are coming. i'm in the same boat (i run ppc)
[02:11] <wildman> ok
[02:11] <apokryphos> nalioth: I seriously doubt 3.4.2 packs will be made for hoary
[02:11] <nalioth> apokryphos: probably not, but i expect to update my array to breezy soon
[02:11] <gdh> yah, http://releases.ubuntu.com/5.10/ now then upgrade to final in 3 weeks =)
[02:11] <apokryphos> yah
[02:12] <apokryphos> No use using the preview now; that's fairly old
[02:12] <apokryphos> breezy pace is fast =)
[02:12] <gdh> I guessed as much :)
[02:12] <gdh> likely to be a 'preview 2' for the ISO-obsessed?
[02:13] <apokryphos> gdh: nah, straight onto RC, then final release
[02:13] <apokryphos> !breezyschedule
[02:13] <ubotu> I guess breezyschedule is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyReleaseSchedule
[02:13] <wildman> apokryphos: it's implicit in its name ;) (a breeze... ;))
[02:13] <apokryphos> 8)
[02:14] <apokryphos> just in case others don't know, 1.3.1 is in breezy now too btw
[02:14] <apokryphos> err, amarok 1.3.1 that is.
[02:15] <gdh> I guess the last minute 'can you pleaaaaaaase upload this new version please please please?' are flooding in now?
[02:15] <apokryphos> Kind of :D
[02:16] <gdh> ah the process is still young.. 
[02:16] <gdh> sure those were still pouring in on debian sarge's day of release..
[02:16] <gdh> :)
[02:16] <apokryphos> gdh: probably more because Mark wanted it in ;-)
[02:16] <wildman> ok ppl, cya tomorrow, or on Monday
[02:16] <wildman> have a nice WE !
[02:17] <gdh> apokryphos: haha, then again Mr. Shuttleworth does have a certain level of precedence :) 
[02:17] <gdh> He has the wallet and he's not afraid to use it.
[02:18] <apokryphos> hehe
[02:18] <apokryphos> gdh: he doesn't just have that; he develops too I believe =)
[02:18] <apokryphos> he is an experienced Linux user
[02:19] <apokryphos> started off with Slackware many years ago
[02:19] <gdh> apokryphos: while I'm on it then,.. any chance of getting libsynce0 in? 0.9.1 is in debian sid..
[02:19] <gdh> I know, he's been a Deb devel since $longtime :)
[02:19] <apokryphos> "got drunk one night and installed it", or something, he said. 8)
[02:19] <gdh> apokryphos: 0.9.0 is nearly a year old.. 0.9.1 has tons of fixes :)
[02:19] <txema> alguien habla castellano?
[02:20] <nalioth> !es
[02:20] <ubotu> Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #ubuntu-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda.
[02:20] <wildman> txema: s
[02:20] <nalioth> woops
[02:20] <gdh> txema: #kubuntu-es, por favor :)
[02:20] <nalioth> mi disculpa
[02:20] <wildman> ubotu: hispanoparlantes ;)
[02:20] <ubotu> wildman: I haven't a clue
[02:20] <txema> hola wildman
[02:20] <apokryphos> gdh: you should request it =)
[02:20] <gdh> apokryphos: Am I likely to be laughed at and 'yeh right' at this point?
[02:20] <wildman> txema: hola, pero mejor que la sigas en kubuntu-es, si no sera una falta de respeto al resto.
[02:21] <txema> acabo de instalar linux y no se como va nada... me he bajado el amule pero no se como intalarlo... una ayuda??
[02:21] <txema> ok, , how can I go there?
[02:22] <apokryphos> gdh: for breezy now? Probably, yes :D
[02:22] <apokryphos> txema: /join #kubuntu-es
[02:22] <txema> thanks
[02:22] <nalioth> apokryphos: there is a #kubuntu-es?
[02:23] <gdh> apokryphos: bah :)
[02:23] <nalioth> apokryphos: amule is platform independent, he may get better service in #ubuntu-es
[02:23] <apokryphos> nalioth: yup, there is.
[02:23] <apokryphos> nalioth: sorry, didn't see the actual question. Yeah, he probably would.
[02:24] <txema> thank you wild man; Ie gone there; but maybe there is nobody; I think Il ask for help to some mine friend
[02:24] <nalioth> txema: try #ubuntu-es
[02:25] <apokryphos> txema: you can also join ubuntu-es, as suggested. Just by typing /join #ubuntu-es
[02:25] <gdh> if using Konversation you can just click the channel name :)
[02:25] <txema> thank you
[02:26] <nalioth> txema: da nada
[02:28] <apokryphos> hm, new ff looks exactly the same but seems a lot faster -- cool stuff.
[02:32] <gdh> steps in the right direction :)
[02:33] <gdh> with people preferring IE because it opens *instantly* rather than a 1 second wait.. it's hardly surprising people prefer MS Office instant-Word than OpenOffice's 10-second+ wait
[02:34] <apokryphos> OO-wait is a shame, indeed.
[02:34] <apokryphos> IE is a bit of a joke
[02:34] <gdh> yeh, you're already running 80% of the code :)
[02:35] <apokryphos> Web development is just so frustrating for new users (and ones who knwo their stuff, even, of course), when they have to worry about the 3 different ways their site looks 
[02:35] <gdh> I'm a sysadmin not a coder so am naive about such things.. does XHTML and CSS not fix most of the old 'NS / IE' problems?
[02:36] <apokryphos> not at all
[02:36] <gdh> poor :/
[02:36] <apokryphos> it'll be slightly better in IE 7 hopefully
[02:36] <apokryphos> no support for PNGs for so long! Quite a joke.
[02:36] <apokryphos> gdh: it would be if it would comply more to the actual standards
[02:37] <gdh> Hm, I thought IE supported PNG since 5.5 ?
[02:37] <apokryphos> not transparent ones
[02:37] <gdh> ah yes :)
[02:37] <apokryphos> you'll get a horid grey/black image
[02:37] <apokryphos> it also doesn't support random other thing slike css image rollovers
[02:37] <hon> my inkscape seems to be broken under breezy :(
[02:38] <apokryphos> there's a few javascript hacks to get around it now, as far as I've seen, but that's annoying, itself.
[02:38] <apokryphos> hon: descriptive ;-)
[02:39] <hon> yeah ;) trying to figure out what's not included ;)
[02:39] <apokryphos> hon: you mean the actual package or the installation?
[02:39] <apokryphos> mine seems to run fine
[02:39] <hon> press Ctrl+Shift+A in inks
[02:41] <hon> ok I just found what's missing. it needs xml-xql parser from universe.
[02:42] <hon> did yours break?
[02:42] <hon> or you have xql parser installed?
[02:43] <apokryphos> I don't have it, but no break
[02:43] <apokryphos> I doubt it'd break if you didn't have something (and that would be a bug, anyhow)
[02:43] <apokryphos> it should depend on things it needs
[02:46] <hon> seems that like someone has removed xql parser from breezy very recently (after the preview release, because I installed breezy from a dvd image dated 12 Sept)
[02:47] <hon> (or at least from inkscape's dependencies
[02:48] <apokryphos> yup, not in the repos; at least, not under that name
[02:48] <apokryphos> but evidently it doesn't seem to need it (I don't have it, and it works)
[02:49] <blackflag> okay, kxmame compilation gives me new errors
[02:50] <blackflag> no successfull compillation possible
[02:50] <blackflag> going to bed now
[02:50] <blackflag> new try tommorrow
[02:50] <blackflag> good night
[02:51] <apokryphos> blackflag: what error?
[03:31] <Foodcoman> Good evening.
[03:31] <nettilus> naunsa
[03:32] <Fonzi> hi all
[03:33] <rEn^tAw> halOW
[03:34] <Fonzi> what is adept?
[03:35] <apokryphos> !adept
[03:35] <ubotu> Adept (successor of Kapture) is a package manager for Kubuntu. See http://web.ekhis.org/adept.html
[03:35] <Fonzi> ahh
[03:35] <apokryphos> Fonzi: it's going to be default in Breezy
[03:39] <rEn^tAw> naunsa mani iost
[03:39] <_nyn_> hi all. does anyone know of windows way to 'cat' together a file that has been split using gnu 'split'?
[03:40] <_nyn_> i'm rescuing a windows friend...
[03:40] <_nyn_> and come on, i can't believe i'm gonna have to install cygwin just to do that...
[03:40] <nalioth> _nyn_: cygwin?
[03:40] <_nyn_> other ideas?
[03:40] <nalioth> _nyn_: search www.freewarehome.com   or www.gnu.org for a windows build of cat
[03:41] <_nyn_> thanks!
[03:41] <Foodcoman> did you try  'cat source.file > Dest.file'    ?
[03:41] <nalioth> Foodcoman: _nyn_ is on a windows box
[03:41] <_nyn_> well, do they have 'cat' in windows?
[03:41] <nalioth> _nyn_: no they dont
[03:41] <_nyn_> i'm not, my friend is :)
[03:41] <_nyn_> poor, cute french girl
[03:41] <_nyn_> :)
[03:42] <Foodcoman> I have put text from bat files appended to logs. How did I do that?
[03:42] <Foodcoman> Binary would be a problem.
[03:43] <Foodcoman> type test.txt > dest.txt  works.
[03:43] <_nyn_> type! that's it!
[03:43] <Foodcoman> type is like cat, but limited
[03:43] <_nyn_> but isn't there a problem with binary files... different line endings...
[03:43] <_nyn_> hmm...
[03:44] <_nyn_> but yes, i just remembered, unixutls.zip has cat!
[03:44] <Foodcoman> Yeah that what I was thinking.
[03:44] <_nyn_> oh, it's 3:44 here in paris, i'm so sleepy... that explains something
[03:44] <Foodcoman> Unix always has the true powertoys.
[03:44] <_nyn_> thanks anyway!
[03:44] <_nyn_> :)
[03:44] <_nyn_> good night!
[04:39] <_martin> help!
[04:39] <sproingie> cause i need somebody!
[04:39] <_martin> how i add ksinaptyc sources????
[04:40] <sproingie> you edit sources.list
[04:40] <_martin> ok
[04:40] <_martin> but where are the urls for upgrades?
[04:40] <sproingie> for kubuntu?
[04:41] <_martin> yes
[04:41] <_martin> 2.6.10-5-386
[04:41] <sproingie> deb http://kubuntu.org/hoary-kde341 breezy-updates main
[04:41] <_martin> join #kubuntu-es
[04:41] <_martin> sorry :)
[04:41] <sproingie> no habla
[04:42] <_martin> thanks aproingie
[04:42] <_martin> thanks sproingie :P
[04:42] <sproingie> np
[04:47] <Foodcoman> sproingie: Would you know what breezy repo would have dvd:rip and transcode?
[04:48] <Foodcoman> I have added some and uncommented all the unsupported to no avail....
[04:48] <sproingie> i don't know any breezy repos other than the official ones
[04:48] <Foodcoman> Patients will work as well, I just happen to be able to ditch the wife for the weekend and getting a little quality computer time you know.
[04:49] <Foodcoman> I suppose as the final arrives the repo's will start to manifest themselves.
[04:49] <sproingie> i'm never any good at finding third party repos.  people point me at them when i have problems is all
[04:50] <Foodcoman> I know what you mean, but its either a repo, or I become good at compiling and that is a pain with Breezy.
[04:51] <sproingie> i find myself compiling everything i can't get from official
[04:51] <Foodcoman> Lots of older Gcc G++ and libc stuff.
[04:51] <sproingie> life's too short to waste it fighting the package manager
[04:51] <sproingie> yack, having to compile old g++ code is bad tho
[04:51] <Foodcoman> hahaha, guess I need to learn configure make make install better and where everything goes eh?
[04:52] <sproingie> that in itself is tolerable, until you get into version skew with libstdc++
[04:52] <nida> reg nick
[04:54] <nida> <!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Strict//EN" "DTD/xhtml1-strict.dtd">
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[04:55] <Foodcoman> nida: Need some help?
[04:55] <nida> helllo
[04:55] <nida> yes???
[04:55] <Foodcoman> sproingie: Is great at helping.
[04:55] <Foodcoman> =)
[04:55] <nida> helllooo
[04:55] <nida> i need help
[04:56] <sproingie> !ask
[04:56] <sproingie> foo
[04:56] <sproingie> ubotu, tell nida about ask
[04:56] <nida> ano
[04:56] <nida> pataka lng k dinha
[04:56] <s2> hi
[04:57] <nida> dont know how to use this IRC
[04:57] <apokryphos> Ouch, direct opposition (cold feelings) from Murdoch to Ubuntu -- never knew that was the case.
[04:57] <nida> ??????????
[04:57] <nida> help!!!!!!!!!
[04:57] <sproingie> nida: JUST ASK
[04:57] <Foodcoman> We see you.
[04:57] <nida> nick mitch
[04:57] <s2> nick jeck
[04:58] <Foodcoman> Type your question in the little box you typed hello.
[04:58] <sproingie> nick nack paddywack
[04:58] <apokryphos> as _s1_: please don't be annoying.
[04:58] <Foodcoman> all server commands start with a  slash      /
[04:58] <_s1_> then?
[04:58] <Foodcoman> like    /help
[04:58] <_s1_> i c
[04:58] <apokryphos> _s1_: if you have a question, ask and be patient.
[04:58] <jecar> nick jecar
[04:59] <_s1_> ok
[04:59] <_s1_> nick nida
[04:59] <Foodcoman> http://freenode.net/faq.shtml
[04:59] <jecar> hi
[04:59] <apokryphos> hi jecar
[04:59] <nida> how to registerd the nick?
[05:00] <jecar> hello
[05:00] <jecar> asl pls.
[05:00] <apokryphos> nida: /msg nickserv register <password>
[05:00] <nida> thank u
[05:01] <apokryphos> jecar: err
[05:01] <lascar> here's my problem: sound is fine in day-to-day linux, but when I play games under cedega, i get no sound
[05:01] <Foodcoman> May I message you directly sproingie?
[05:01] <lascar> any takers?
[05:02] <sproingie> Foodcoman: i'm sort of distracted at the moment
[05:02] <Foodcoman> sproingie: 10-4
[05:03] <jecar> nick jeck
[05:03] <apokryphos> jecar: what are you trying to do?
[05:03] <Foodcoman> try /nick nickyouwant
[05:03] <jecar> im trying to rigestr in nick
[05:04] <apokryphos> jecar: /msg nickserv register <password>
[05:04] <jecar> cn u tech me
[05:04] <jecar> thanks
[05:04] <jelai> saba dha jecar
[05:04] <jelai> samok kaau ka
[05:04] <jelai> tae ka
[05:05] <apokryphos> jelai: English only here please.
[05:05] <jelai> ok
[05:05] <jelai> jecar known to me bisaya
[05:06] <jecar> ya im speaking
[05:06] <jecar> enlish
[05:06] <seth_k|lappy> meh, after latest breezy upgrade I'm stuck at 1280x1024
[05:06] <seth_k|lappy> odd
[05:06] <jelai> mitchang
[05:06] <apokryphos> seth_k|lappy: reconfigure your x
[05:06] <s19> awtssssssssss
[05:06] <seth_k|lappy> apokryphos, already did
[05:06] <s19> naku
[05:06] <jelai> hahahha
[05:07] <jelai> hay nalang
[05:07] <seth_k|lappy> apokryphos, then tried editing by hand; my 1400 x 1050 mode was already there but it won't go up to it
[05:07] <jelai> ausss
[05:07] <jelai> hearty ka jan
[05:07] <seth_k|lappy> I call X hax
[05:07] <apokryphos> jelai: English only in here please, as I said.
[05:10] <jelai> helllo
[05:10] <jelai> people of the philippines
[05:10] <jelai> kapoy oi
[05:10] <nalioth> jelai: en #ubuntu-ph, please
[05:11] <seth_k|lappy> anyways apokryphos, methinks just X bug
[05:12] <jeck> hello
[05:12] <jeck> to all of you
[05:12] <jeck> hi
[05:12] <jeck> jesusfish
[05:14] <jeck> helo
[05:14] <jeck> to all of you
[05:15] <hearty> tae nimo
[05:15] <jeck> baho
[05:15] <hearty> dili masbtan
[05:15] <apokryphos> jeck: you've said hi many times; please don't flood the channel =)
[05:15] <hearty> asa mn ni gikan na planet oi
[05:15] <apokryphos> And guys, I don't really want to say it again -- this channel is English only.
[05:15] <jeck> im trying to register the nick
[05:15] <seth_k|lappy> they're the same person
[05:15] <apokryphos> gah, indeed
[05:16] <jeck> can u tech me
[05:16] <apokryphos> jeck: I already told you
[05:16] <jeck> but its not workin
[05:16] <apokryphos> jeck: /msg nickserv register <password>
[05:17] <jeck> but i cannot enter to the private room
[05:18] <seth_k|lappy> you're still not registered
[05:18] <jeck> i try already
[05:18] <apokryphos> jeck: which room?
[05:18] <jeck> here
[05:19] <jeck> in the kubunto channel
[05:19] <apokryphos> jeck: this is not a secret channel
[05:19] <seth_k|lappy> i'm reallllly close to muting him; he's just toying with you
[05:19] <jeck> i cannot sent private meseges 
[05:19] <apokryphos> jeck: because you're not registered.
[05:19] <jeck> ya
[05:19] <jeck> can u teach me
[05:20] <seth_k|lappy> like I said; toying with you
[05:20] <apokryphos> jeck: read this: www.freenode.net/faq.shtml#nicksetup
[05:20] <jeck> the corect procedure of registration
[05:22] <seth_k|lappy> hmmm, the ati driver works, but not the fglrx driver, and it just got upgraded. fglrx issue. bugzilla time.
[05:22] <apokryphos> seth_k|lappy: flgrx has had issues for quite some time there, no?
[05:23] <apokryphos> here on NVidia I've generally been ok, though many report just broken Xs still
[05:23] <seth_k|lappy> apokryphos, not until today. I just upgraded and then when i restarted, wrong resolution
[05:23] <seth_k|lappy> apokryphos, my nvidia machine is still happy too
[05:24] <s2> jeck:/msg nickserv register<lariba>
[05:24] <apokryphos> hm, annoying
[05:25] <apokryphos> s2: lose the jeck: prefix, type exactly this (without the quotes):   /msg nickserv register password
[05:25] <apokryphos> where password is obviously the password you want. You might not want to have lariba anymore ;-)
[05:26] <jakedahn> hi all
[05:26] <irvin> hello kubuntu!
[05:26] <irvin> nice day it is
[05:27] <jakedahn> can someone point me to a link  that will explain the apt-get system
[05:27] <jakedahn> or just explain it in here?
[05:27] <irvin> jakedahn: in debian docs
[05:27] <jakedahn> link?
[05:27] <seth_k|lappy> jakedahn, http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ch-apt-get.en.html
[05:27] <jakedahn> thankyou
[05:27] <seth_k|lappy> synaptic and kynaptic are two front-ends for the apt package management system
[05:27] <irvin> seth_k|lappy: gee that was fast
[05:28] <seth_k|lappy> irvin, I actually was going for the link before you said anything :P
[05:28] <irvin> you beat me to it
[05:28] <irvin> :-)
[05:28] <jakedahn> lol
[05:28] <irvin> i'm so happy. i just finished migrating an internet shop to kubuntu
[05:28] <seth_k|lappy> sweet
[05:28] <apokryphos> =)
[05:28] <apokryphos> nice
[05:28] <jakedahn> nice
[05:29] <seth_k|lappy> what are you using for billing management
[05:29] <seth_k|lappy> that was always my barrier
[05:29] <irvin> openkiosk
[05:29] <irvin> openkiosk.sourceforge.net
[05:29] <jakedahn> well ya gotta love linux for things like that
[05:29] <jakedahn> lol
[05:29] <irvin> where can i find docs about adept?
[05:30] <seth_k|lappy> irvin, not management, billing management... like invoices and stuff ;)
[05:30] <seth_k|lappy> http://web.ekhis.org/adept.html is about all there is, irvin 
[05:31] <apokryphos> Not much to know, really, at the moment.
[05:31] <jeck> hello
[05:31] <jeck> hello
[05:31] <jeck> hello
[05:31] <seth_k|lappy> hm, apokryphos, is this my relevant line?
[05:31] <seth_k|lappy> (WW) fglrx(0): Specified desktop setup not supported: 8
[05:32] <jeck> how
[05:32] <apokryphos> jeck: please stop being annoying
[05:32] <apokryphos> last warning
[05:32] <apokryphos> seth_k|lappy: yup, looks like it
[05:33] <jeck> second waring
[05:33] <apokryphos> oO
[05:33] <apokryphos> seth_k|lappy: not entirely sure if bug reports are always worth it
[05:33] <apokryphos> they change X like three times a day :D
[05:34] <seth_k|lappy> apokryphos, according to mdz this was a major version increment during freeze, hence yay for problems
[05:34] <apokryphos> ohh
[05:34] <seth_k|lappy> it's the fglrx driver that had version++, not X
[05:34] <seth_k|lappy> so it's all good =)
[05:34] <seth_k|lappy> s2 = jeck btw
[05:35] <apokryphos> yah
[05:35] <seth_k|lappy> if you don't mute him i'm about to :P
[05:35] <s2> nick jeck
[05:35] <s2> nickserv jeck
[05:35] <apokryphos> seth_k|lappy: hovering over it 8)
[05:35] <seth_k|lappy> hehe
[05:35] <s2> nick jeck
[05:36] <irvin> adept is just a front end for apt?
[05:36] <seth_k|lappy> yep
[05:36] <apokryphos> irvin: pretty much
[05:36] <seth_k|lappy> it will hopefully supplant kynaptic
[05:36] <seth_k|lappy> iirc
[05:36] <apokryphos> Still preferring KPackage if I have to venture into GUI atm
[05:37] <apokryphos> None of them are really ideal
[05:38] <apokryphos> adept is in feature freeze now, as I recall :/
[05:38] <apokryphos> seems pretty lacking feature-wise :(
[05:38] <compfreak221> hey can someone help me with this issue? http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v615/jakedahn/sounderror.png
[05:38] <irvin> i see. but its not really for me. i prefer the konsole
[05:38] <irvin> :-)
[05:38] <apokryphos> irvin: for packages, same here =)
[05:39] <compfreak221> anyone?
[05:39] <seth_k|lappy> compfreak221, get rid of esd
[05:40] <seth_k|lappy> compfreak221, it was less than 1 minute between your replies, someone will help you if you give it a few minutes ;)
[05:40] <seth_k|lappy> compfreak221, then sudo apt-get install libesd-alsa0
[05:40] <seth_k|lappy> libesd-alsa0 will create the /dev/dsp link you need, methinks
[05:41] <apokryphos> Still actually a bug if that comes up, I should think.
[05:41] <seth_k|lappy> apokryphos, I think it comes up when you don't have kubuntu-desktop installed. otherwise dependencies fall into place
[05:42] <seth_k|lappy> yep apokryphos, it's definitely an ATI upstream problem. ATI confirms it on their bugzilla. now just waiting time =)
[05:42] <apokryphos> ah
[05:42] <apokryphos> cool
[05:42] <seth_k|lappy> shame too b/c these new drivers look really good
[05:42] <seth_k|lappy> lots of fixes
[05:42] <apokryphos> They're apparently better with bugs now
[05:42] <apokryphos> In the past took *ages* (if it wasn't ignored completely)
[05:43] <apokryphos> got a response today about them fixing PyKDE dependency problems (around 5 months after I reported it)
[05:43] <seth_k|lappy> haha
[05:43] <apokryphos> the more annoying one is an Nvidia bug I get
[05:43] <apokryphos> the binaries apparently aren't completely compatible with the way they have their X
[05:44] <apokryphos> I think one of the devs tried to blame it on nvidia, which is patently not the case. It's annoying, since it means I have to remove nvidia-glx every time I recompile kde svn (and some other kde stuff)
[05:45] <seth_k|lappy> compfreak221, please do not query me. Just post your questions in the general channel :)
[05:45] <seth_k|lappy> that way everyone can help
[05:45] <compfreak221> ok sorry
[05:45] <seth_k|lappy> no problem
[05:45] <compfreak221> im new here :D
[05:45] <seth_k|lappy> yep :D no worries
[05:45] <seth_k|lappy> okay, so you installed libesd-alsa0?
[05:45] <compfreak221> so what did you mean by get rid of esd?
[05:45] <compfreak221> no i didnt
[05:45] <seth_k|lappy> "sudo killall esd"
[05:46] <seth_k|lappy> ok, kill esd, then install libesd-alsa0
[05:46] <seth_k|lappy> then I forget if that will start esd back up for you or not
[05:46] <compfreak221> like apt-get install libesd-alsa0 ?
[05:47] <seth_k|lappy> yes, with a "sudo"
[05:47] <compfreak221> if i am in a root shell in the console do i need to sudo?
[05:47] <apokryphos> compfreak221: nope
[05:47] <compfreak221> okie
[05:47] <Angel-SL> is it ok to install GNOME on KUbuntu
[05:48] <seth_k|lappy> sure
[05:48] <compfreak221> got another question about sudo, what does it do? just give you root permissions for the command?
[05:48] <seth_k|lappy> I installed KDE on ubuntu, Angel-SL 
[05:48] <crimsun> you can do anything you wish, Angel-SL, it's your distro
[05:48] <seth_k|lappy> compfreak221, yes, it escalates your user to root for that command only
[05:48] <apokryphos> Angel-SL: of course
[05:48] <Angel-SL> seth_k|lappy: so you installed KDE on GNOME?
[05:48] <compfreak221> ok, im still kinda new to the command line thing
[05:48] <apokryphos> compfreak221: you should only use sudo for commands that *need* to be run with root perms
[05:48] <compfreak221> and im trying to get out of the flow of my mac
[05:48] <apokryphos> Angel-SL: I have them both here too
[05:49] <compfreak221> ok
[05:49] <Angel-SL> ok
[05:49] <seth_k|lappy> Angel-SL, you don't install KDE "on" Gnome, you just install both window managers.
[05:49] <seth_k|lappy> Angel-SL, I just happened to have gnome first
[05:49] <apokryphos> seth_k|lappy: more than just WMs :P
[05:49] <seth_k|lappy> apokryphos, word :P
[05:49] <seth_k|lappy> but for purposes of illustration
[05:49] <seth_k|lappy> rawr
[05:50] <apokryphos> full-blown powerful desktop environments :D
[05:50] <seth_k|lappy> hehe
[05:50] <Angel-SL> some gnome files are 404'ed
[05:51] <apokryphos> ?
[05:51] <compfreak221> ?
[05:51] <compfreak221> i dont get it
[05:51] <apokryphos> Angel-SL: make sure you sudo apt-get update before you install them
[05:51] <compfreak221> ill be back in a bit im gonna reboot
[05:52] <seth_k|lappy> here's a lesson kids, you never have to reboot unless you're swapping kernels
[05:56] <jakedahn> im back
[06:03] <irvin> nite apokryphos 
[06:03] <irvin> i'm on another shop doing this migration thingy
[06:04] <irvin> afterwards i'll be more happier
[06:04] <irvin> :-)
[06:08] <jakedahn> sooo....
[06:08] <jakedahn> does anyone prefer gnome over kde?
[06:13] <irvin> no
[06:13] <irvin> i'm more comfortable with kde
[06:14] <irvin> but that's a matter of personal choice
[06:42] <lascar> what's the best bang-for-your-buck soundcard that someone would recommend?
[06:54] <stang> anyone know where I can browse the packages for apt-get?
[06:55] <nalioth> stang: packages.ubuntu.com
[06:57] <stang> nalioth: thx
[07:00] <stang> anyway to install ndiswrapper via apt-get?
[07:00] <nalioth> stang: yes
[07:00] <nalioth> !tell stang about sources
[07:02] <stang> nalioth: again, thank you 
[07:02] <nalioth> np
[07:16] <stang> looks like I was only able to get the ndiswrapper-tools from the source and not the ndiswrappersystem itself
[07:18] <nalioth> !ndiswrapper
[07:18] <ubotu> ndiswrapper is, like, totally, a way to support Windows wirless drivers, but it is buggy compared to native support. More info at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HowToSetUpNdiswrapper
[07:19] <musashi> hi everybody
[07:19] <stang> one of these days I'm going to make a !noob script for myself! ;) thx again
[07:20] <musashi> is anyone available to help me out ATM?
[07:21] <nalioth> musashi: ask and someone can wake up
[07:22] <musashi> k, i have 2 harddrives installed in my box, is kubuntu able to read to hard drives at once?
[07:23] <stang> naliioth: thx for the help, if I win a million dollarss you'de gete 200,000 and Kubuntu would get 200,000
[07:23] <musashi> because i have been searching for hours my second HD now, and i cant seem to find it anywhere
[07:25] <musashi> a little help here?..
[07:27] <nalioth> musashi: open a terminal
[07:27] <nalioth> musashi: bemoaning your lack of answers from the channel is counterproductive
[07:27] <nalioth> musashi: type in the terminal 'sudo fdisk -l'
[07:30] <stang> brb, switching to wireless
[07:30] <seth_k|lappy> meh, Breezy X is definitely MIA today... there went my NVidia desktop as well
[07:30] <seth_k|lappy> so now we're down to bad resolution on the laptop and no X on the desktop :)
[07:32] <musashi> hmmm, i finally see it, but i cant open it. it says: "Could not mount device. The reported error was: mount: cantfind /dev/hdb in /ect/mtab"
[07:38] <hussam> seth_k|lappy: X is working for me on breezy, what build of xorg are you using? 6.8.2-67 ?
[07:42] <nalioth> musashi: what is it formated as?
[07:45] <musashi> you mean the file system?
[07:45] <musashi> well i just moved from windows XP, so i guess its ntfs
[07:46] <nalioth> !tell musashi about ntfs
[07:47] <seth_k|lappy> hussam, yeah, -67
[07:47] <seth_k|lappy> hussam, I just wait for the next update I think, no worries :)
[07:47] <Angel-SL> how do i uninstall a program that was installed by root using make install
[07:47] <seth_k|lappy> Angel-SL, you can't, easily. That's why compiling from source is bad (unless you use checkinstall, sometimes)
[07:48] <hussam> seth_k|lappy: could it be you just need to dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg ?
[07:48] <Angel-SL> seth_k|lappy: wel, how?
[07:48] <seth_k|lappy> hussam, nah. Already did that... I've been fixing X by hand all the way through breezy so I'm pretty versed in it :P
[07:48] <musashi> i am suppose to run that aplication with the terminal right
[07:49] <seth_k|lappy> hussam, i get some xinit errors about failure starting session
[07:49] <musashi> cause if iam, iam getting "permission denied"
[07:49] <Angel-SL> seth_k|lappy: how do i?
[07:49] <Angel-SL> do i delete it from usr/bin
[07:49] <nalioth> musashi: you'll need to run it using sudo
[07:49] <hussam> Angel-SL: some programs provide a make uninstall option
[07:50] <nalioth> musashi: there are instructions in it, if you read it in a text editor
[07:50] <seth_k|lappy> Angel-SL, but if not (which is likely), it's installed itself all over your filesystem
[07:50] <seth_k|lappy> Angel-SL, if you really want to delete, it'll be more then just removing it from usr bin
[07:50] <Angel-SL> well it was a program i created
[07:51] <Angel-SL> hrm
[07:51] <Angel-SL> i only want to re-create it
[07:52] <musashi> sudo eh? does it comes with kubuntu r do i have to download it?
[07:52] <musashi> or*
[07:52] <Angel-SL> musashi: comes with all distros i might say
[07:54] <nalioth> !tell musashi about sudo
[07:55] <hussam> seth_k|lappy: is kaffeine working for you on Breezy?
[07:56] <seth_k|lappy> hussam, yep
[07:56] <seth_k|lappy> as is amarok
[07:57] <hussam> seth_k|lappy: it's crashing a lot and it runs the install check everytime I start kaffeine
[08:07] <hussam> seth_k|lappy: I got it ~/.kde/share/apps/kaffeine/wizard_stamp_v0.5 is not being created when you run kaffeine for the first time
[08:08] <hussam> seth_k|lappy: and it crashes way too much
[08:18] <Angel-SL> uh
[08:45] <hater2win> anybody program in java here?
[09:06] <nikkia> hater2win: yes
[09:09] <nalioth> nikkia: you're up early (or online early)
[09:09] <hater2win> nikkia: what IDE do you use in nix?
[09:09] <nikkia> nalioth: been up an hour, went to bed early and hence woke up early
[09:09] <nikkia> hater2win: eclipse
[09:09] <nikkia> altho, i don't use it as an IDE per se
[09:10] <nalioth> nikkia: ah, welcome to saturday
[09:10] <nikkia> i do all my editing in emacs, then save, hit 'refresh' in eclipse, then run in eclipse
[09:10] <hater2win> ooo
[09:10] <nikkia> eclipse's text editor widget is just too memory hungry
[09:10] <hater2win> nikkia: i have eclipse on win, but which of these JREs do i need to linux:http://java.sun.com/j2ee/1.4/download.html#sdk
[09:11] <nikkia> hater2win: are you sure you need J2EE ?
[09:11] <nikkia> anyway, J2EE will only install properly on selected versions of redhat
[09:11] <hater2win> *Shrug* im not sure WHAT i need, i followed some links, ended up there and got stuck
[09:11] <nikkia> hater2win: well, *what* are you trying to develop ?
[09:11] <hater2win> java, just some basic java stuff involving classes, etc
[09:12] <nikkia> hater2win: then go to java.sun.com, and follow the links for J2SE 5.0
[09:12] <hater2win> kk, ty
[09:12] <nikkia> and get the JDK for that
[09:12] <nikkia> then install it per :
[09:12] <nikkia> !java
[09:12] <ubotu> java is probably to install Java please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java
[09:12] <hater2win> i wish NetBeans supported the freaking scanner class, cuz then id just download the pack
[09:13] <nikkia> hater2win: the page you were at, J2EE, is for the enterprise edition, which is for developing server side java stuff
[09:13] <nikkia> ie, its like ASP
[09:13] <hater2win> ah, my bad
[09:14] <nikkia> and if you really want to do that, you're better off using eclipse and eclipse's built in tomcat server, probably, anyway, unless you NEED J2EE (ie, you're doing corporate J2EE work)
[09:14] <hater2win> ah, nope, nothing like that yet lol
[09:14] <nikkia> as i said, J2EE will only work on selected versions of redhat (selected versions of RHEL even)
[09:15] <nikkia> you could perhaps shoe-horn it into an ubuntu system somehow, but it'd be tricky, it depends on a lot of specific library/apache version stuff
[09:15] <hater2win> yeh, i dun wanna mess with that crap right now
[09:16] <nikkia> from my experience, it won't even install on the latest RHEL :)
[09:17] <hater2win> lol
[09:17] <hater2win> how much java do you know
[09:18] <nikkia> a fair bit
[09:18] <nikkia> but i don't do much with the built in UI stuff
[09:19] <hater2win> nice
[09:19] <nikkia> so its mostly 'language' knowledge
[09:19] <hater2win> do you know c++?
[09:19] <nikkia> yes
[09:19] <hater2win> well
[09:19] <hater2win> yeah you would
[09:19] <hater2win> theyre alot alike
[09:19] <hater2win> well
[09:19] <hater2win> "language" is what differes
[09:19] <nikkia> hater2win: i've been programming C++ since 1990ish
[09:19] <hater2win> heh
[09:19] <hater2win> you know how
[09:19] <hater2win> in C++
[09:19] <hater2win> you can dynamically allocate?
[09:19] <hater2win> so like
[09:19] <nikkia> new/delete
[09:19] <hater2win> yeah
[09:19] <hater2win> what does java use for that kind of thing?
[09:20] <nikkia> 'new'
[09:20] <nikkia> you don't delete in java, you just stop using the object, and it gets garbage collected
[09:20] <hater2win> ah, same thing then
[09:20] <hater2win> ooo i see
[09:20] <hater2win> well thats good
[09:20] <hater2win> no seg faults then :)
[09:20] <nikkia> so you'd do something like...
[09:20] <nikkia> String blah = new String(); // do something with blah...        blah = null;
[09:21] <hater2win> i see i see
[09:21] <nikkia> (or you can just stop using the reference if the scope of 'blah' is limited)
[09:21] <hater2win> i was wanting to write this application that manages my bank accounts
[09:22] <hater2win> not that i couldnt use online banking, but sometimes my payments lag behind and i need up to date stuff that i can enter as soon as i get home and KNOW how much i have in the bank etc
[09:22] <hater2win> not that i couldnt use quicken (for win) or some linux equal, but ya know... itd be fun to program something for myself, ya know?
[09:23] <nikkia> yeah, the problem there is going to be getting the data from the online banking site
[09:23] <nalioth> program it not to eat memory if left running more than 5 minutes
[09:24] <hater2win> nikkia: well i figure if i start using it, i wont ever have to look at it, i will always know what it is that i have because i just just choose to update my data, key in all my transactions (which usually isn't more than 4 or 5 per day) and then let it update itself
[09:25] <hater2win> whoa... wouldnt it be awesome to make it use like a mySQL DB? is that possible?
[09:26] <hater2win> so i could access it from anywhere
[09:27] <nikkia> hater2win: yes, very possible
[09:27] <hater2win> Is programming Java for the web same as clientside java?
[09:27] <Lichte> I'm getting an error with KAudioCreator that says "Malformed URL . "
[09:28] <Lichte> anyone seen this ?
[09:28] <nikkia> hater2win: there are some major differences, but some of it is similar
[09:28] <hater2win> Lichte: ive never seen it
[09:29] <hater2win> nikkia: you like java or c++ better?
[09:30] <nikkia> *shrug* doesn't matter much for me
[09:30] <nikkia> so it depends really on what i'm doing :)
[09:30] <hater2win> ah i see
[09:32] <nikkia> hater2win: i wouldn't write my soft-synths in Java, for example
[09:35] <hater2win> nikkia: soft-synths?
[09:35] <nalioth> hater2win: nikkia writes musical instruments
[09:36] <hater2win> nice
[09:36] <hater2win> nikkia2win
[09:38] <spiral> hi
[09:39] <hater2win> yo
[09:41] <hater2win> nikkia:  whats the diff between j2re and jre?
[09:42] <nikkia> hater2win: '2' :)
[09:42] <hater2win> lol
[09:42] <nikkia> hater2win: JRE = Java Runtime Environment
[09:43] <nikkia> J2RE = The Java 2 Runtime Environment
[09:43] <nikkia> since Java2 has been standard for a long time now, any JRE you get will be for Java 2, most likely
[09:43] <hater2win> ah isee
[09:44] <nikkia> you do not want the JRE itself tho
[09:44] <nikkia> you want the JDK, which includes the JRE, if you're going to write java programs
[09:44] <hater2win> ah ok
[09:44] <hater2win> thanks for clearing that up
[09:54] <hater2win> nikkia:  best place to install JDK?
[09:54] <nikkia> hater2win: best thing to do, is use the instructions for ubuntu...
[09:54] <nikkia> !java
[09:54] <ubotu> it has been said that java is to install Java please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java
[09:55] <nikkia> follow the bit there about  building new versions
[09:55] <hater2win> ah ok
[09:55] <nikkia> that way, you can easily remove/upgrade the jdk later
[09:56] <hater2win> yeah, checkinstall2win
[09:56] <nalioth> checkinstall is quite handy in a quick and dirty sort of way
[09:57] <nikkia> yeah, but make-jpkg isn't quite so quick and dirty :)
[09:57] <nalioth> they both have their place
[09:59] <hater2win> nalioth: how so?
[10:00] <nikkia> gah, why is kcharselect such a big pile o crap ?
[10:01] <hater2win> lol
[10:02] <nikkia> hater2win: having to change the unicode 'page' is a pain in the arse
[10:03] <nikkia> it also lacks the character-name display that i believe OSX's character selector has
[10:03] <hater2win> hmm
[10:03] <hater2win> interesting
[10:04] <nikkia> i mean, i can remember that page 80 is slap-bang in the middle of the japanese characters....
[10:04] <nikkia> but then i have to page up or down looking for the character i want
[10:04] <hater2win> lol
[10:05] <nalioth> make-jpkg iirc is for making java packages
[10:05] <nikkia> it'd also be nice to have a nice side-page that displayed JDIC like info about the character
[10:05] <nalioth> checkinstall is for use instead of "make install" on regular source pkgs
[10:05] <hater2win> nalioth: ah, duh =/
[10:06] <nikkia> eg:   3D77 [2987:8f97]  U5973 B38 G1 S3 F151 N1185 V1173 H3418 DK2135 L98 K178 O114 DO62 MN6036 MP3.0612 E35 IN102 DS32 DH41 DT19 DC60 DJ68 DB2.13 DG423 P4-3-4 I3e0.1 Q4040.0 DR1769 Ynu:3 Yru3 Wnyeo Wyeo      T1     woman; female SOD
[10:06] <hater2win> that would be nice
[10:06] <hater2win> holy crap that first symbol looks like the blair witch project symbol
[10:06] <Chousuke> Heh.
[10:06] <Chousuke> Interesting nanori.
[10:06] <nikkia> hater2win: heh, yeah, but its the chinese (root) character for 'woman'
[10:07] <ztonzy> sorry to bother with a simple question, but where can I find HOWTO Pages for creating *.deb from *.tar.gz ?
[10:07] <Chousuke> from sources?
[10:07] <Chousuke> google for debian new maintainer's guide
[10:08] <hater2win> ztonzy: you can compile from source and use checkinstall to create a .deb
[10:08] <Chousuke> nikkia: character selector probably isn't the best way to look up info for a kanji.
[10:08] <nikkia> ztonzy: its a complicated situation... if the .tar.gz is a slackware style package, you can use alien, otherwise you can *maybe* use checkinstall, or it might involve more detailed hacking
[10:08] <ztonzy> oops
[10:08] <nikkia> Chousuke: i know, i'm saying it SHOULD be :)
[10:08] <ztonzy> I used scons to compile it
[10:08] <nikkia> Chousuke: what i'm saying is, 1) its UI sucks
[10:08] <Chousuke> It's meant for selecting characters : 
[10:08] <ztonzy> and to pack it with 'scons release'
[10:09] <nikkia> Chousuke: 2) it would be nice if it could show a) a large form of the character, b) detailed info (if available) on the character
[10:09] <ztonzy> hater2win, "checkinstall"  how ?
[10:09] <nikkia> Chousuke: well, i'd see the 'detailed info' as an option
[10:09] <nikkia> Chousuke: ie, the base UI would be similar to how it is now, without the silly 'table' control....
[10:10] <hater2win> ztony: you ./configure, then you make, and instead of make install you do          sudo check install
[10:10] <hater2win> err
[10:10] <hater2win> sudo checkinstall
[10:10] <nikkia> Chousuke: and there would be an option (menu/button) to open a pane with a large (say 70pt) representation of the char + detailed info
[10:10] <Chousuke> hmm
[10:10] <ztonzy> hater2win, well I use scons as buildsystem
[10:10] <Chousuke> like in OS X? :P
[10:10] <nikkia> Chousuke: see, for some of the more complex pictographs, the image in the chooser is too small
[10:10] <nikkia> Chousuke: yes, exactly :)
[10:10] <ztonzy> hater2win, however I could try build with make as well, make a fresg cvs :)
[10:11] <hater2win> heh
[10:11] <nikkia> Chousuke: character palette is a good example of what kcharselect *should* function like, IMO
[10:11] <hater2win> ztonzy: its the only way i know how to make a .deb
[10:11] <Chousuke> heh. :P
[10:12] <Chousuke> making .debs from sources isn't that difficult with simple packages.
[10:12] <nikkia> Chousuke: its quite obvious, looking at it, that kcharselect is a hacked ASCII chooser
[10:12] <nikkia> Chousuke: ie, the unicode stuff is a blatent afterthought
[10:12] <Chousuke> :/
[10:12] <nikkia> and for the basic ASCII, even the ISO-8859-1 stuff, it works reasonably well
[10:12] <Chousuke> I love the "related characters" view in Character palette
[10:13] <nikkia> but switch to, say, unicode table 102, and tell me you could use that for selecting a character in there
[10:13] <nikkia> at that font size, they all look pretty much the same
[10:13] <Chousuke> haha
[10:14] <Chousuke> all I'm missing is instructions on how to input those characters with a keyboard.
[10:14] <nikkia> Chousuke: you can't :(
[10:14] <Chousuke> nikkia: sure you can. :P
[10:14] <Chousuke> wtf.
[10:14] <nikkia> Chousuke: as far as i know, X has no standard method for entering unicode numbers directly
[10:14] <nikkia> you could switch to a japanese keyboard layout, but that is still limited
[10:15] <Chousuke> I mean, with an input method?
[10:15] <nikkia> its one of the reasons why X has traditionally had a hard time in asia
[10:15] <Chousuke> unicode Japanese has characters for ?! and !?
[10:15] <Chousuke> I mean, not separate ? an !
[10:15] <Chousuke> but their own characters.
[10:16] <Chousuke> also for !! and ??
[10:21] <johan> How do I find out if kubuntu has got alsa built into kernel, or uses the alsa-driver?
[10:22] <crimsun> johan: it uses whatever ALSA modules are present. By default, these are the modules distributed with the kernel.
[10:22] <crimsun> johan: alsa-source is available in universe.
[10:23] <crimsun> note that Breezy will ship with the in-kernel ALSA slightly newer than what's available in alsa-source.
[10:23] <nalioth> crimsun: where is amaranth?
[10:23] <crimsun> nalioth: I think he was moving for university, but don't quote me on it
[10:24] <nalioth> crimsun: ah, ty
[10:24] <johan> so..this is my problem basicly. I need the jack plugin for alsa-lib
[10:24] <johan> and jack
[10:25] <johan> also, to use jesusonic, this is one of the instructions: "Make damn sure your kernel is compiled with the preemptable configuration option (CONFIG_PREEMPT) set to "Y""
[10:30] <johan> when configuring jack-audio-connection-kit, latest version, I can't compile it with alsa-support, why?
[10:30] <hater2win> why is it telling me make-jpkg command not found?
[10:30] <hater2win> wtf
[10:32] <irvin> hello
[10:32] <irvin> how do i upgrade the kernel via apt-get?
[10:32] <johan> if there are kernel update, as  far as I know, then it will install the latest.
[10:33] <nalioth> hater2win: did you install "java-package"
[10:33] <nalioth> irvin: did you mean "change the existing kernel"?
[10:33] <hater2win> nalioth: yes
[10:33] <hater2win> nalioth: its in multiverse right?
[10:33] <nalioth> !info java-package
[10:33] <ubotu> java-package: (utility for building Java(TM) 2 related Debian packages), section multiverse/misc, is optional. Version: 0.23 (hoary), Packaged size: 18 kB, Installed size: 264 kB
[10:34] <irvin> nalioth: yes
[10:35] <irvin> currently i have 2.6.10-5-386
[10:35] <nalioth> irvin: and you want what?
[10:35] <irvin> 2.6.11x
[10:36] <nalioth> irvin: on that. you're on your own
[10:36] <nalioth> .11 is unstable
[10:36] <nalioth> irvin: oct 13 you can update to breezy badger and 2.6.12X
[10:36] <irvin> cedega recommends 2.6.11 or higher because of the ptrace bug
[10:39] <irvin> would i get 2.6.12 on dist-upgrade to breezy ?
[10:41] <hater2win> nalioth: what is the repo to the multiverse?
[10:44] <hater2win> !info multiverse
[10:45] <libben> http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/366178
[10:45] <libben> hater2win: thats my resource.list for breezy
[10:45] <libben> if ur on hooray, u can add one that is named "extra" also
[10:46] <hater2win> deb http://en.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ hoary extra?
[10:46] <libben> dont know actually,... dont remember wich it is.
[10:46] <irvin> i use the sources.list on the unofficial kubuntu guide, if i change every instance of hoary to breezy would i get breezy?
[10:47] <libben> irvin: prolly.
[10:47] <libben> after u updating it.
[10:47] <nalioth> !tell hater2win about sources
[10:48] <nalioth> irvin: yes
[10:48] <libben> !tell libben about java
[10:49] <kakalto> !tell kakalto about females
[10:49] <kakalto> ...
[10:49] <libben> =)
[10:50] <kakalto> >.<"
[10:50] <libben> !tell kakalto about privatesecretaryonline.net
[10:51] <kakalto> why doesn't ubotu know what "females" is?
[10:51] <kakalto> strange, unknown concept, I suppose
[10:52] <johlin> what do I need to make jackd work with alsa?
[10:52] <crimsun> johlin: it works with ALSA already
[10:52] <johlin> not for me, wait
[10:53] <johlin> this time it did, but it can't find hw:0, what should I do? Sorry I'm such a linux-audio-noob
[10:54] <hater2win> im out for hte night
[10:54] <hater2win> thanks for all the help nalioth and nikkia 
[10:54] <crimsun> johlin: that's probably because artsd is hogging hw:0 via /dev/dsp
[10:54] <johlin> okay, so how do I stop arts?
[10:55] <johlin> the only audio-application running is xmms, and its using oss
[10:55] <crimsun> johlin: close XMMS
[10:56] <crimsun> johlin: you can list the processes using your sound device by ''lsof /dev/dsp* /dev/snd/*''
[10:56] <bbcs02> can i ask something 
[10:56] <nalioth> hater2win: np, anytime
[10:56] <nalioth> bbcs02: ask away
[10:56] <johlin> lsof: WARNING: can't stat() ext3 file system /dev/.static/dev
[10:56] <johlin>       Output information may be incomplete.
[10:56] <bbcs02> i can't seem to install the ym messenger
[10:56] <nalioth> bbcs02: use gaim
[10:57] <bbcs02> hehehehhee out of curiousity i want to use the ym messenger 
[10:57] <bbcs02> i'm currently usin kopete
[10:57] <crimsun> johlin: note that the actual pcm plugin for jack is distributed in libasound2-plugins, which is not currently in Ubuntu
[10:57] <johlin> okay, I'll try get it
[10:57] <johlin> thanks
[10:58] <johlin> I can see /dev/dsp with ls from /dev, but I can't cd to it'
[10:58] <crimsun> (src:alsa-plugins, see http://http.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/a/alsa-plugins/)
[10:58] <crimsun> johlin: you can't cd to it; it's not a directory
[10:58] <johlin> okay
[10:58] <johlin> I'll get those packages then
[10:59] <crimsun> you'll probably need to rebuild it
[10:59] <crimsun> judging from the date, there's probably libc6 and gcc version skew
[11:00] <johlin> so...I'll need to download the source?
[11:01] <crimsun> http://http.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/a/alsa-plugins/alsa-plugins_1.0.9.orig.tar.gz http://http.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/a/alsa-plugins/alsa-plugins_1.0.9-2.dsc http://http.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/a/alsa-plugins/alsa-plugins_1.0.9-2.diff.gz
[11:01] <crimsun> it's best to build it using pbuilder
[11:04] <johlin> checking for alsa >= 1.0.8... Package alsa was not found in the pkg-config search path. Perhaps you should add the directory containing `alsa.pc' to the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable No package 'alsa' found
[11:05] <crimsun> you need libasound2-dev installed
[11:06] <johlin> installed now, hold o
[11:06] <johlin> n
[11:07] <johlin> okay, that worked, just gotta do the same thing with jack
[11:09] <libben> hmm
[11:09] <crimsun> johlin: jackd should work fine
[11:10] <libben> damit.
[11:10] <crimsun> there's really no reason to have to compile it manually
[11:10] <libben> time to install hooray again
[11:10] <crimsun> libben: no luck w/ breezy preview?
[11:10] <johlin> crimson: no, I didn't recompile jack, just get the libjack something -dev -package
[11:11] <crimsun> oh, I see what you meant
[11:11] <libben> well, it works and all.. but have some pain with getting java correctly and well... hard to find easy help. hooray just works and has the "extra" repo.
[11:11] <crimsun> libben: which "java" were you [trying to]  using?
[11:12] <johlin> now something else is using alsa as it seems, I'll try a restart
[11:12] <johlin> brb
[11:12] <crimsun> libben: to use the Web browser plugin, you'll need the libxp6 package if you're using Sun's.
[11:12] <crimsun> libben: if you're using IBM's, you'll need libxp6 and libgtk1.2
[11:13] <crimsun> libben: but "java" itself works fine under Breezy
[11:13] <libben> im trying to get newest java 1.5 and have done that. made a deb of the bin from their site. by fakeroot and make-jpkg and all that.
[11:13] <libben> but when i type java -version it says 1.4.2
[11:13] <crimsun> libben: I do my development on both Sun's 1.5.0 and IBM's 1.4.2 on Breezy
[11:14] <crimsun> what's the output from ''java -version''?
[11:14] <libben> also removed my installed deb with synaptic and then installed the sun-jre.bin with just doing it executable and made ./installing
[11:14] <irvin> which is advisable dist-upgrade to breezy or fresh install of breezy preview release?
[11:14] <crimsun> irvin: whichever is easier for you
[11:14] <libben> java version "1.4.2"
[11:14] <libben> gij (GNU libgcj) version 4.0.2 20050808 (prerelease) (Ubuntu 4.0.1-4ubuntu8)
[11:15] <crimsun> libben: ah, that's gcj
[11:15] <crimsun> libben: you don't have the external java in your $PATH
[11:15] <libben> k. and whys that?
[11:15] <libben> done the proper step i was told in here
[11:15] <crimsun> libben: because you didn't set it?
[11:15] <crimsun> crimsun@garnish:~$ echo $PATH
[11:15] <crimsun> /usr/lib/j2sdk1.4-ibm/bin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/local/sbin:/sbin:/usr/sbin:/bin:/usr/bin:/usr/bin/X11:/usr/games
[11:15] <libben> why dont it adds itself to the path?
[11:16] <libben> ive installed it from my own homemade deb and even with just installing the .bin file itself..
[11:16] <libben> none of those options fix itself to the path? 
[11:16] <crimsun> well if you install it from the .bin, you'd definitely have to set $PATH manualy
[11:16] <crimsun> manually^
[11:17] <crimsun> it says as much in the documentation distributed with the .bin
[11:17] <libben> k
[11:17] <libben> but the deb part then?
[11:17] <crimsun> you could file a bug about java-package
[11:17] <libben> allthou i have some errors in the beggining when im building the deb file.
[11:17] <crimsun> s/about/against/
[11:18] <johlin> crimsun: jackd seems to work now. thanks ^_^
[11:18] <crimsun> johlin: np
[11:18] <libben> crimsun: how do i check what i have installed right now ? by looking in certain folders?
[11:18] <libben> dont want alot of duplicates laying aaround
[11:18] <crimsun> libben: I have no idea where you chose to install them
[11:19] <libben> i dident choose anything.
[11:19] <libben> just ran the deb file... and same with the bin
[11:21] <libben> crimsun: isnt there a place for homemade debs that is properly working ?
[11:21] <johlin> now I have another plugin, maybe jackd-related. I am trying to run jesusonic (effect processor), (that's why I needed jackd), but when running it, I get this error:
[11:21] <johlin> johan@johan:~/Jesusonic$ ./jesusonic -mode ALSA -in jesusplug -out jesusplug -s 48000 -high
[11:21] <johlin> Jesusonic v0.991 - Copyright (C) 2004-2005 Cockos Incorporated
[11:21] <johlin> Error setting scheduler to mode
[11:21] <libben> so i can get myself a good sun-j2.deb
[11:21] <crimsun> libben: I don't know, check multiverse or hoary-extras
[11:22] <libben> crimsun: dont have the line for horay extras..
[11:22] <libben> can u paste it ?
[11:22] <libben> !tell libben about resources.list
[11:22] <libben> !tell libben about repos
[11:23] <johlin> !tell johlin about repos
[11:23] <johlin> cool
[11:23] <libben> crimsun: wich one on this do i need ? http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969
[11:24] <libben> the one that is at the bottom only?
[11:24] <crimsun> libben: I don't use hoary-extras, sorry
[11:24] <libben> why not ?
[11:25] <apokryphos> libben: please /msg the bot for when you want him to tell you factoids
[11:25] <libben> ?
[11:26] <apokryphos> libben: /msg ubotu <factoid>
[11:26] <kakalto> how does that work?
[11:26] <apokryphos> Just realised that you actually only told yourself once :D. Still waking up.
[11:27] <apokryphos> kakalto: of course.
[11:27] <kakalto> ahh
[11:27] <andreas___> hi guys!
[11:27] <andreas___> I'm using kubuntu 5.10 now and I'm very impressed and happy with it
[11:27] <libben> good
[11:27] <libben> =)
[11:28] <andreas___> however, it seems that kcontrol doesn't work anymore :s
[11:28] <andreas___> of course I can use the new "System Settings"
[11:28] <andreas___> but I'm so used to kcontrol
[11:28] <andreas___> what happens is, it doesn't seem to apply the changes I make
[11:28] <andreas___> it saves them, but they're not applied
[11:29] <andreas___> what do I do :s
[11:29] <SlackedIRC> is kubuntu better than ubuntu
[11:29] <nalioth> SlackedIRC: is a buick better then a chevy?
[11:29] <johlin> If you like kde better than gnome, yes.
[11:29] <nalioth> SlackedIRC: it's just the interface
[11:30] <libben> tell him that its still ubuntu=)
[11:30] <libben> its just kde instead of gnome
[11:30] <SlackedIRC> ?
[11:30] <SlackedIRC> difference?
[11:30] <SlackedIRC> whats it like
[11:30] <SlackedIRC> there screenshots?
[11:30] <fatejudger> just tell him KDE is better
[11:30] <libben> KDE is bette 
[11:30] <nalioth> tell him nothin
[11:31] <SlackedIRC> haha
[11:31] <SlackedIRC> so i guess u dont want users using kubuntu?
[11:31] <apokryphos> SlackedIRC: there are
[11:31] <nalioth> SlackedIRC: you can install more than a dozen window manglers into your ubuntu and use the one you like the most
[11:31] <apokryphos> ubotu: tell SlackedIRC about screenshots
[11:31] <fatejudger> ubotu: tell fatejudger about screenshots
[11:32] <fatejudger> wtf, that doesn't work
[11:32] <fatejudger> that's crap
[11:32] <hussam> In Kdm, When I try to login using session type failsafe, I get this error:
[11:32] <hussam> Xsession: unable to launch failsafe x session ---x-terminal-emulator not found; aborting
[11:32] <hussam> anybody knows how to fix this?
[11:32] <apokryphos> fatejudger: yes it does. Register your nick, if you haven't done so already.
[11:32] <fatejudger> I did
[11:32] <fatejudger> apokryphos: I just saw the message
[11:32] <apokryphos> fatejudger: /msg ubotu screenshots
[11:33] <apokryphos> ok
[11:33] <fatejudger> apokryphos: I had too many windows open
[11:33] <SlackedIRC> is there a program for ubuntu too burn things to disks?
[11:33] <apokryphos> SlackedIRC: of course. K3b
[11:33] <nalioth> SlackedIRC: many.
[11:33] <fatejudger> I was just in the #linux irc channel and asked people why open source projects don't have internships
[11:33] <fatejudger> and no one could give a good answer
[11:33] <SlackedIRC> sudo apt-get install k3b
[11:33] <fatejudger> does anyone here have a good answer?
[11:33] <nalioth> SlackedIRC: yep
[11:33] <SlackedIRC> k
[11:34] <SlackedIRC> so i get kubuntu
[11:34] <SlackedIRC> its like suse
[11:34] <SlackedIRC> saught of desktop
[11:34] <SlackedIRC> correct?
[11:34] <apokryphos> SlackedIRC: same desktop, not the same system-base
[11:34] <apokryphos> better :D
[11:35] <SlackedIRC> ok
[11:35] <SlackedIRC> mite do that one day
[11:35] <fatejudger> apokryphos: what is your purpose here in this irc channel, do you work for Kubuntu?
[11:35] <fatejudger> apokryphos: you always seem to be on here answering questions
[11:36] <apokryphos> fatejudger: work? Not really. I've done tidbits but nothing proper/dedicated, really. 
[11:36] <apokryphos> I'm just on here to help/chat
[11:36] <fatejudger> apokryphos: ah, I see
[11:36] <fatejudger> apokryphos: do you code or something?
[11:37] <apokryphos> nope
[11:37] <fatejudger> apokryphos: I need to do some kind of coding project
[11:37] <apokryphos> fatejudger: go for it
[11:37] <apokryphos> fatejudger: what language?
[11:37] <fatejudger> apokryphos: I'm not experienced enough with the techonologies required for today's applications though
[11:38] <fatejudger> apokryphos: in C++
[11:38] <fatejudger> apokryphos: that's generally what apps are written in for KDE
[11:38] <apokryphos> fatejudger: I recommend working with the DE rather than going in for the actual OS/Distro
[11:38] <fatejudger> apokryphos: DE?
[11:38] <apokryphos> fatejudger: desktop environment. In this case, KDE, yes.
[11:38] <fatejudger> apokryphos: oh, I'm not good enough to help out Kubuntu
[11:38] <apokryphos> fatejudger: how experienced are you?
[11:38] <fatejudger> apokryphos: I have never worked on an open source project
[11:39] <fatejudger> apokryphos: I don't really know how to answer that
[11:39] <fatejudger> apokryphos: since, like I said, I've never worked on an open source project
[11:39] <apokryphos> fatejudger: the best way to get your feet wet in kde is to go over to bugs.kde.org, and check out some JJs. Read through a couple of the kde programming docs, then go for one of them.
[11:39] <fatejudger> apokryphos: and it's all in C++?
[11:40] <apokryphos> fatejudger: KDE uses C++ with the Q-Toolkit
[11:40] <fatejudger> yeah, I've used QT
[11:40] <apokryphos> that's what's at its base, and practically every app is that (though, in theory, they of course don't have to be)
[11:40] <apokryphos> Excellent
[11:40] <apokryphos> fatejudger: http://bugs.kde.org/buglist.cgi?short_desc_type=allwordssubstr&short_desc=JJ%3A&bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED
[11:40] <apokryphos> That's a list of current JJs
[11:41] <fatejudger> apokryphos: junior jobs
[11:41] <fatejudger> apokryphos: I see
[11:41] <apokryphos> fatejudger: another useful one: http://developer.kde.org/documentation/tutorials/
[11:42] <fatejudger> apokryphos: wow, I'd have to get the KDE source for all of this bug fixing wouldn't I
[11:42] <fatejudger> isn't that really big?
[11:42] <libben> crimsun: http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/366199
[11:42] <libben> ive added the horay extras. but still getting 1.4.2
[11:43] <crimsun> libben: did you update? did you check that 1.5.0 is actually available as a package?
[11:43] <apokryphos> fatejudger: get the kde source code for all the bug fixing? 
[11:43] <fatejudger> apokryphos: yeah
[11:43] <apokryphos> Nope; just get it for the module you'd want/need it for.
[11:43] <fatejudger> apokryphos: these bugs seem really old
[11:44] <fatejudger> apokryphos: I'm surprised people haven't fixed them already...
[11:44] <libben> crimsun:  i did sudo apt-get update
[11:44] <fatejudger> apokryphos: you can just get modules?
[11:44] <libben> and then sudo apt-get install thepackage
[11:44] <libben> bash: /usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/bin/X11:/usr/games: No such file or directory
[11:44] <libben> my path
[11:44] <apokryphos> fatejudger: Yes
[11:45] <nalioth> libben: what are you on about?
[11:45] <crimsun> libben: how did you check if a 1.5.0 package is available?
[11:45] <johlin> hopefully, this is my last jackd\jesusonic problem. I've setup using a plug names jesusplug, defined in ~/.asoundrc. The inputs are alsa pcm:capture, and outputs are alsa:pcm playback. I have my guitar plugged to line in, but I don't hear it in the program. But I hear for example drum sequenses added in that program. What do I need to change pcm:capture to to feed the program with line in?
[11:45] <kasim> Hi KLIKers, just found out about KLIK. It seems to work nicely on my latest Kubuntu breezy.
[11:45] <libben> apt-cache search sun-j2
[11:46] <libben> sun-j2re1.5 - Java(TM) 2 RE, Standard Edition, Sun Microsystems(TM)
[11:46] <libben> and then sudo installing it
[11:47] <fatejudger> apokryphos: I have no idea where to get the source
[11:47] <fatejudger> apokryphos: there aren't any links
[11:48] <apokryphos> fatejudger: You check it out via SVN. Have a look at those tutorials, they show you how
[11:48] <libben> crimsun: did i do wrong ?
[11:48] <crimsun> libben: so did you install sun-j2re1.5?
[11:49] <fatejudger> apokryphos: you mean CVS right?
[11:49] <libben> http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/366199
[11:49] <libben> crimsun: look there
[11:49] <libben> and ull see it
[11:50] <libben> line 6 tells it
[11:50] <apokryphos> fatejudger: No, SVN. CVS is the old grandaddy
[11:51] <crimsun> libben: you'll find the location of the java executable with ''dpkg -L sun-j2re1.5''
[11:51] <crimsun> libben: then make sure you add that location prefix to the beginning of your $PATH
[11:51] <apokryphos> fatejudger: first doc/description is apparently a little dated. The next article tells you how to use subversion.
[11:52] <fatejudger> apokryphos: yeah... I was going to say
[11:52] <kasim> Naive question: where do the klik-packages come from? It would make the most sense if the developers of the code could create that immediately after the compile.
[11:52] <libben> crimsun: wich one to choose?
[11:52] <libben> it listed all of java folder
[11:52] <crimsun> libben: well, what is the java folder?
[11:52] <libben> /usr/lib/j2re1.5-sun
[11:52] <crimsun> libben: so /usr/lib/j2re1.5-sun/java exists?
[11:52] <libben> . /usr/lib/j2re1.5-sun/bin/java
[11:53] <fatejudger> apokryphos: it says I needed to have created a few patches before I can apply for an account
[11:53] <crimsun> libben: so you need to prepend /usr/lib/j2re1.5-sun/bin/ to your $PATH
[11:53] <apokryphos> fatejudger: of course. They're not going to provide a commiters account to just anyone :)
[11:54] <apokryphos> fatejudger: you can still of course always grab the source for *any* module through anon svn
[11:54] <libben> how do i do that? and dont tell me the quick line... tell me how i do it so i can learn from it =)
[11:54] <fatejudger> apokryphos: it would be nice if they said that in their howto
[11:55] <fatejudger> apokryphos: I guess documentation isn't #1 on their priority list
[11:55] <crimsun> libben: you'd place the path at the beginning of your $PATH and export PATH
[11:55] <apokryphos> fatejudger: the "using subversion" is more for how to commit etc
[11:55] <apokryphos> fatejudger: there is an anon svn tutorial too
[11:55] <libben> crimsun: how do i export it ?
[11:55] <crimsun> libben: if you don't want to make it system-wide, then just add it to your user's ~/.bashrc
[11:55] <crimsun> libben: with the export keyword
[11:56] <libben> is it good to has it system-wide?
[11:56] <kasim> sorry, did post on the wrong list. Anyway, "KLIK" could become a very interessting way of trying latest SW, with one KLIK in konqueror, without installing.
[11:56] <libben> im the only user
[11:56] <crimsun> libben: your call
[11:56] <johlin> if alsa_pcm:capture is capture, what do I write to get line in?
[11:56] <apokryphos> fatejudger: http://developer.kde.org/source/anonsvn.html
[11:57] <libben> cant read any on export with man
[11:57] <apokryphos> fatejudger: I'm heading out for now, but feel free to ask questions in #kde and developing-related questions in #kde-devel -- they'll likely be quite helpful. :)
[11:57] <libben> so what would be the line for it crimsun 
[11:57] <libben> export $PATH andyadayada?
[11:57] <crimsun> sure
[11:58] <crimsun> (you just told me not to tell you the quick line)
[11:58] <fatejudger> apokryphos: ok, thanks
[11:58] <libben> well, i thought i could understand it =) but the info aint enough =) so know i need to see a quickline... i assumed correctly ?
[12:00] <hussam> I get this error when I try to log in to failsafe session in kdm: Xsession: unable to launch failsafe xsession
[12:00] <hussam> I reinstalled xterm but that didn't help
[12:03] <libben> http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/366210
[12:03] <libben> crimsun: what is it that is wrong ?
[12:04] <libben> thought i had it right
[12:06] <crimsun> libben: first, it's export PATH=
[12:07] <crimsun> libben: second, you're prepending the wrong path for java.
[12:07] <crimsun> libben: You should use /usr/lib/j2re1.5-sun/bin/ not /usr/lib/j2re1.5-sun/bin/java
[12:08] <libben> k
[12:08] <libben> other then that i did right +
[12:09] <libben> export PATH=/usr/lib/j2re1.5-sun/bin/:/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/bin/X11:/usr/games:
[12:09] <libben> in other words
[12:09] <libben> horay =)
[12:09] <libben> or ... breezay =)
[12:09] <libben> it worked.
[12:10] <crimsun> it's much easier to use: export PATH=/usr/lib/j2re1.5-sun/bin:"${PATH}"
[12:10] <libben> hmm... but what was that 1.4.2 java thigy?
[12:10] <CellarDoor> hi folks
[12:10] <crimsun> libben: a different compiler.
[12:10] <CellarDoor> I have a question thats not exactly kubntu specific but I think somebody should be able to help
[12:10] <libben> can i remove it ?
[12:11] <libben> i saw it was from another compiled
[12:11] <libben> gjc something 
[12:11] <libben> well... i let it be there =)
[12:11] <crimsun> no, don't remove it.
[12:12] <CellarDoor> I have a friend who is using linspire and cant access their windows ntfs partition because he doesn't have permission... here is what his fstab looks like:  /dev/hda1 /mnt/hda1 ntfs noatime,user,exec,dev,suid 0 0  Could someone tell me what it should look like so he can use it ?
[12:13] <johlin> change the user to user=1000 (or whatever his user id is9
[12:13] <crimsun> CellarDoor: all he needs is umask=022
[12:14] <CellarDoor> sorry iyam a noob here, 
[12:14] <CellarDoor> crimsun, so just add umask=022 to the end of the line ?
[12:14] <nalioth> CellarDoor: writing to ntfs from linux can blow up your ntfs partition
[12:14] <nalioth> CellarDoor: not a good idea
[12:14] <_StarScream> aseigo: hey Aaron, heard a podcast interview with you last night
[12:14] <CellarDoor> I'll let him know that ;)
[12:15] <crimsun> CellarDoor: replace "noatime,user,exec,dev,suid" with "umask=022"
[12:15] <nalioth> CellarDoor: however ubotu has sent you some info
[12:15] <CellarDoor> yes ty ubotu
[12:15] <_StarScream> aseigo: where you were talking about plasma and how widgets are used. I thought it was really really good
[12:16] <_StarScream> aseigo: you brought up some excelent points about the desktop and i found my self thinking about how i use the desktop now
[12:16] <_StarScream> aseigo: and then going "Yeh, i do make a whole bunch of extra steps to do stuff"
[12:18] <CellarDoor> thanks folks
[12:19] <CellarDoor> crimsun, so thats all he has to do ?
[12:21] <libben> crimsun:  it all works out better now. needed to install azureus from synaptic. to get some other things that azureus depended on. and since azureus is java only... it now works flawless and upgrades itself thru its own application. so hooray for not needing to wait for new debs for it
[12:21] <libben> thxs for learning me export.
[12:21] <nalioth> libben: you'll grow tired of azureus after it eats your computer
[12:23] <libben> nalioth: how can i check what its eating. top ?
[12:24] <nalioth> libben: among other things, yes top will do it
[12:24] <nalioth> libben: i like "gnu screen" + console bittorrent
[12:24] <libben> console bittorrent is allready in as default ? 
[12:24] <libben> if not misstaking
[12:25] <nalioth> libben: yes
[12:26] <johlin> last try, what is line ins equalivent of alsa_pcm:capture_1?
[12:26] <CellarDoor> D'oh !
[12:27] <crimsun> johlin: just use the hw:X,Y equiv
[12:27] <crimsun> johlin: see /proc/asound/devices
[12:27] <libben> nalioth: wanna paste a command line for how u using it ? 
[12:27] <nalioth> libben: i'll do better than that
[12:28] <mianos> hey guys... fresh (k)ubuntu install right here- how can i disable opening links in new tabs. i want a new window,no new tab....
[12:28] <mianos> ^^konqueror 3.4.0
[12:29] <nalioth> mianos: in the preferences
[12:30] <CellarDoor> mianos, argh why would you wan't to do that ?
[12:30] <nalioth> libben: the terminal command is "btdownloadcurses.py file.torrent"
[12:30] <nalioth> CellarDoor: to each their own, friend
[12:30] <CellarDoor> :p
[12:30] <CellarDoor> I suppose :p
[12:30] <libben> can u use a url instead of file.torrent ? like http://yada.com/file.torrent
[12:31] <johlin> crimsun: so...I have a plug names jesusplug in ~/.asoundrc, where the input refers to alsa_pcm:capture_1, what should I enter instead? hw:0,0?
[12:31] <nalioth> libben: yes
[12:31] <nalioth> libben: read those links, they will give you much freedom 
[12:39] <othomas> hi all
[12:40] <johlin> hello
[12:40] <johlin> you're a member on neowin..right?
[12:40] <othomas> hello again johlin
[12:40] <johlin> you know anything about jack and it's config-file?
[12:40] <othomas> no, but i was just there reading
[12:41] <johlin> okay
[12:42] <othomas> no on jack as well
[12:43] <mianos> CellarDoor: Example: I surf on a page with a lot of preview-pics (like kde-look.org) on klicking a preview picture, there's a java script - with the kubuntu default settings u cannot press ctrl + left klick an open a lot of previews because it does allways open in the same tab - not a lot of tabs
[12:44] <CellarDoor> why not right-click and choose open in new window ?
[12:44] <SlackedIRC> i just downloaded that k3 something program
[12:44] <SlackedIRC> for cd burning
[12:45] <SlackedIRC> but i need another one now
[12:45] <othomas> k3b
[12:45] <mianos> cause i don't want a new window -  but i wanna say - hey konqi - do now a new tab
[12:45] <libben> k3b
[12:45] <kakalto> why?
[12:45] <SlackedIRC> thats it
[12:45] <SlackedIRC> but now i need another one
[12:45] <SlackedIRC> for the actual burning
[12:45] <SlackedIRC> what one should i get
[12:45] <othomas> k3b works great for me
[12:45] <SlackedIRC> caroab
[12:45] <SlackedIRC> or something
[12:45] <kakalto> err, k3b burns for me ):
[12:45] <kakalto> *:)
[12:45] <nalioth> SlackedIRC: dont use the enter key for puncuation, please
[12:45] <libben> anyone installed azuerus from the horay extras and went thru the internal updating process it has? every time i restart azuereus. it wont get the updated jar file.
[12:46] <nalioth> libben: i've only had luck with the az you get from azureus.sourceforge.net
[12:46] <CellarDoor> mianos: ah rite
[12:46] <SlackedIRC> nalioth what u mean
[12:47] <nalioth> SlackedIRC: please compose your thoughts and commuicate them in complete sentences
[12:47] <CellarDoor> Ok, apparrently replacing "noatime,user,exec,dev,suid" with "umask=022" didn't work
[12:47] <mianos> No damn konqi - it does not what i want
[12:47] <libben> nalioth: well. ive done like 1 update allready. but when it wanna do it again, to next version.. it wont get it.. its downloaded and all, but when i press restart, ... its still the version before the new updated is downloaded
[12:47] <libben> how can i search for files in the system?
[12:47] <libben> wanna see where the jar file is
[12:47] <nalioth> libben: apt-cache search
[12:47] <nalioth> libben: ah, in that case: locate <file>
[12:48] <SlackedIRC> can someone help me
[12:48] <CellarDoor> crimsun, apparrently that didn't work
[12:50] <libben> locate Azureus2.3.0.4.jar
[12:50] <libben> kewl.
[12:50] <libben> i do this at root
[12:50] <libben> and no files are found =(
[12:50] <libben> hmm
[12:50] <libben> wonder where it is =)
[12:50] <libben> cause im seeding that file from azuerus
[12:51] <libben> hmm... maybe its from a tmpfile that is not named that
[12:51] <nalioth> libben: do this: "sudo updatedb"
[12:51] <nalioth> libben: when the update finishes, try locate again
[12:52] <libben> ok, updatedb is database ?
[12:52] <libben> rehashing all files to speak of =
[12:52] <libben> ?
[12:53] <nalioth> libben: updatedb is usually run by the system crontab in the middle of the night
[12:53] <libben> and boyah, there it was.
[12:53] <libben> but under another name
[12:54] <libben> but why aint the azerus getting itself updated
[12:54] <libben> lol
[12:54] <libben> read the install act file
[12:55] <libben> move,/home/libben/.Azureus/updates/inst_1/Azureus2_2.3.0.4.jar,/home/libben/.Azureus/Azureus2.jar
[12:55] <libben> hmm
[12:55] <libben> does move command also renames it in the same process ?
[12:56] <libben> why do i ask these dumb questions?
[12:56] <libben> let me fire up a terminal and just try with a dummy file
[12:56] <CellarDoor> Sorry to be a pain folks but trying to help a friend who is using linspire change permissions so he can read his ntfs partition without having to log in as root... apparrently replacing "noatime,user,exec,dev,suid" with "umask=022" didn't work for him
[12:57] <libben> lol
[12:57] <libben> move isnt reccon in the system
[12:57] <libben> but mv is
[12:57] <libben> let me just edit the install file
[12:59] <mianos> i have a pcmcia -tv-analog, dvb-t and radio analog (ukw-fm) card
[12:59] <xxenon> I have a laptop with 1gig of ram. At kernel bootup, I get : "Warning only 896MB will be used". Any clue ? I even tried to recompile with high memory support
[01:00] <mianos> what tools/programms - must have is available for radio?
[01:00] <libben> and for radio u mean internet radio. like just normal shoutcasting ?
[01:02] <mianos> libben... no
[01:02] <mianos> just oldschool FM - UKW radio
[01:03] <nalioth> libben: you can alias "move" to mv, if you wish
[01:04] <libben> true =)
[01:04] <libben> hmm
[01:04] <libben> it seems that i shouldent edited that install.act
[01:05] <mustafu> Just wondering...after following all the instructions for installing NVidia card drivers from the Ubuntu Wiki, the logo still doesn't show up at any time....am I overlooking something?
[01:08] <johlin> If I open home from the desktop, it opens in a new tab in konqueror, how do I make it open all local files in a new windows
[01:10] <johlin> ?
[01:12] <nalioth> bar the door, wildman is back
[01:13] <wildman> nalioth: >-] 
[01:14] <libben> nalioth: u forgot to add *trailer voice* Bar the DOOR, wildman is BACK!
[01:14] <nalioth> libben: yer too funny! :0
[01:16] <wildman> at least I've discovered which is the process eating my disk for so long at so early hours... updatedb from slocate command
[01:16] <wildman> sudo crontab -e to change it to run, say at 5AM?
[01:16] <wildman> cuz it cannot take that long to run on A64 3200 with SATA disk (200GB)
[01:17] <nalioth> wildman: what time does it run now?
[01:17] <libben> wildman: w00t? how can u run that sh*t? nah nah nah, waste it. Ur hardware is to oold
[01:18] <wildman> nalioth: haven't a fkn clue
[01:18] <wildman> libben: lol
[01:18] <nikkia> wildman, updatedb takes ages here too
[01:18] <wildman> nikkia: that's not nice at all...
[01:18] <nikkia> wildman, i knocked it back to a cron.weekly
[01:18] <libben> what does updatedb does ?
[01:19] <libben> i mean, i understand what it does.
[01:19] <libben> but is it cruecial for the system if its not have a updateddb ?
[01:19] <wildman> no crontab for root
[01:19] <johlin> how do I get opengl working with my nvidia-card?
[01:19] <nikkia> libben, it rebuilds the locate database, which is a list of all files on the system
[01:19] <wildman> where do I find those system-run tasks?
[01:19] <nalioth> libben: it keeps all the files on your box catalogued
[01:19] <nikkia> wildman, updatedb will be in /etc/cron.daily
[01:19] <libben> k, but is it important for the system to has it catalogued ?
[01:19] <wildman> johlin: by removing nvidia debs and installing the NVidia drivers as told in some Ubuntu wiki which I don't have handy now. works here
[01:20] <nikkia> libben, no
[01:20] <nalioth> libben: no. but important for those who seek jar files
[01:20] <nikkia> libben, its purely a user conveinence thing
[01:20] <johlin> wildman: nvidia debs in kynaptic?
[01:20] <wildman> nikkia: so, I just mv /etc/cron.daily /etc/cron.weekly ?
[01:20] <wildman> sorry
[01:20] <libben> ok. so its ok to deactivate it and then do it manually 
[01:20] <nikkia> libbden, i doubt there are any system scripts that rely on locate
[01:20] <wildman> nikkia: so, I just mv /etc/cron.daily/slocate /etc/cron.weekly ?
[01:20] <nikkia> wildman, yes
[01:20] <wildman> k
[01:21] <nikkia> wildman: and accept that its possible now for locate's output to be up to 7 days out of date :)
[01:21] <wildman> johlin: yes, if u follow the unnoficial howto that tells u how to add universe/multiverse repos
[01:21] <wildman> nikkia: I don't mind, I don't use it that much :)
[01:21] <wildman> I prefer find ;)
[01:21] <nikkia> wildman: a small price to pay, IMO, and if i'm looking for something i KNOW i've installed in the last couple of days, i either 'know where to look, roughly', or i run updatedb manually
[01:22] <wildman> nikkia: moved. thx.
[01:22] <libben> find == updatedb with locate? in other words, it goes thru all files like the updatedb does, and pick it out?
[01:22] <nikkia> libben, its sort of a time shifted find
[01:22] <nikkia> libben, updatedb just does a find and stores the output, so its 'instant' to 'locate' something...
[01:22] <nalioth> find always crashes on me
[01:22] <nikkia> if you don't use it much, you might be fine with waiting on find, depends on circumstances, really
[01:23] <libben> and find goes thru all files and look for it.
[01:23] <wildman> nikkia: then, I could even rm -f /etc/cron.weekly/slocate ?
[01:23] <nikkia> wildman: yeah, if you want
[01:23] <nikkia> wildman, as i said, i don't think any system scripts depend on locate working anyway
[01:24] <nalioth> cue deep announcer voice "wildman goes on a slash and burn spree"
[01:24] <wildman> ok, I'll rename it to slocate.foo
[01:24] <nikkia> 'wow, i don't need any of those things in /sbin!!' :)
[01:24] <wildman> and next week I'll know if it's run or not ;)
[01:24] <nikkia> wildman, no, it'll still run in that situation
[01:24] <othomas> lol
[01:24] <nikkia> wildman, anacron runs *all* files in the corresponding /etc/cron.* directory
[01:24] <othomas> !poof!
[01:24] <ubotu> othomas: I give up, what is it?
[01:24] <wildman> nikkia: oh. ok.
[01:25] <nikkia> wildman, you'd want to put it in /etc/cron.backup/ or something (after creating the dir, of course)
[01:25] <wildman> nikkia: ok
[01:27] <wildman> nikkia: dun. thx.
[01:29] <libben> why dident they want the debian style ? whats the pros and cons?
[01:29] <nalioth> libben: dont go there
[01:29] <nalioth> lol
[01:30] <othomas> heh
[01:30] <nikkia> libben, i have no idea
[01:30] <libben> k
[01:30] <nikkia> i suppose its *slightly* slower to find and run multiple scripts
[01:30] <nikkia> but on the other hand, its a lot cleaner than a monolithic /etc/profile
[01:32] <reiki> I was told that this is the place to ask about a tuner (musical instrument tuner...chromatic) ... is this a readily available package?
[01:33] <nikkia> reiki: there are probably a million and one tuners for linux
[01:33] <nalioth> nikkia knows her tuners
[01:33] <nikkia> nalioth: actually, as far as software ones go, no, i don't
[01:33] <johlin> anyone knows if wine can handle asio-drivers and cubase?
[01:34] <nikkia> nalioth: i have tuners in my rack gear, and a handheld one, so never needed a software tuner
[01:34] <nikkia> johlin: i don't believe so
[01:34] <reiki> nikkia: I'm looking for a chromatic tuner... display frequency of a note played through mic... and ideally having a meter showing sharp or flat in cents
[01:34] <nikkia> reiki, as i said, there are probably a million and one of them
[01:34] <nalioth> nikkia: can you point reiki in the general direction?
[01:34] <reiki> nikkia: I build flutes... I use a Korg c30 quite happily out in the workshop
[01:35] <johlin> reki: if you are willing to go one step further, jesusonic is a full fx-processor for guitar, and has build in tuner, and it's free
[01:35] <johlin> you'll need jackd, jack-plugin for alsa and a little tweaking, but it's good
[01:36] <nikkia> reiki, gtkguitune looks like it might be chromatic
[01:36] <reiki> johlin, appreciate the lead and I'll look at that, but I'm primarily interested in getting the flutes concert tuned rather than recording with effects.. at least for now
[01:36] <reiki> nikkia: thanks... :)
[01:37] <nalioth> nikkia: thanks
[01:37] <johlin> reki: okay. I am looking for the same, so I am cunsulting google, I'll tell you if I find anything
[01:37] <libben> wich one of these two are runned if u start with just azureus?
[01:37] <libben> /home/libben/.Azureus/Azureus2.jar
[01:37] <libben> /usr/share/java/Azureus2.jar
[01:38] <nalioth> libben: the /usr/ one
[01:38] <nalioth> libben: anything in your homedir is settings
[01:38] <nikkia> there is also a jack tuner, but i don't see it in the repos. unless its part of another package
[01:39] <libben> nalioth: so why would the install.act script wanna put the jar file into my homedir ?
[01:39] <libben> if its gonna start the jar from usr
[01:39] <nikkia> reiki: http://www.geocities.com/harpin_floh/kguitune_page.html
[01:39] <nalioth> libben: b/c that's where azureus downloads temp files to
[01:40] <nikkia> that's the homepage for gtkguitune/kguitune/qtguitune
[01:40] <nikkia> as i say, looks chromatic to me, but i haven't tried it
[01:40] <irvin> is gaim-vv available in the repo?
[01:40] <johlin> nikkia: that seems like a good one. thanks!
[01:40] <reiki> nikkia: much appreciated. With a million and one of them out there I appreciate your help narrowing it down :)
[01:40] <nikkia> reiki, surprisingly, most of them don't seem to be in the repos.
[01:41] <nikkia> i know for a fact there is more than the one in there
[01:41] <libben> nalioth: well, the path tells the jar file to be copied to my homedirs ~/.Azureus/Azureus2.jar
[01:41] <libben> and thats why i dont understand the install.act script
[01:41] <reiki> nikkia: kinda specialized maybe? I would think guitar tuners had made their way in but chromatic tuners maybe less needed?
[01:41] <nikkia> reiki, no, i didn't see any tuners but that one
[01:41] <nikkia> reiki, chromatic or not *shrug*
[01:41] <nalioth> libben: then change it in the settings
[01:42] <libben> wich settings ? u mean editing the install.act file ?
[01:42] <libben> i was thinking of just cp the file over to the right place
[01:42] <nikkia> reiki, the only reservation i'd have with THAT tuner, is that it is schmidtt based, but that shouldn't be an issue with flute, as you're talking about pretty pure tones
[01:42] <nalioth> libben: no. after your az updates itself, it should clear that dir
[01:43] <nikkia> (schmidtt based tuners are faster, but less accurate when you are tuning a complex waveform instrument)
[01:43] <libben> yes it does clear the updates/inst100 dir
[01:43] <libben> but it never gets updated..
[01:43] <libben> cause the jar file is in my homedir.
[01:45] <kakalto> election coverage programs are funny.
[01:45] <kakalto> ^_^"
[01:45] <nalioth> libben: i've put my opinion in on azuerus. i use gnu screen + console bittorrent
[01:46] <kakalto> "and the leader of <> has just left his house"
[01:46] <kakalto> "and what you're seeing right now is the leader of <>'s front door"
[01:46] <kakalto> "and this ugly guy is the leader of <>"
[01:46] <ml--> anyone who can suggest a bittorrent client?
[01:47] <kakalto> azureus?
[01:47] <nalioth> ml--: console bittorrent + gnu screen
[01:47] <ml--> thats the only one these days?
[01:47] <nalioth> or btdownloadgui
[01:47] <ml--> ok. no apt packages?
[01:48] <ml--> "azureus: Depends: libswt2.1-java but it is not installable"
[01:48] <libben> nalioth: nothing pops out when i start to type btdown and hit tab
[01:49] <nalioth> libben: it's btdownloadcurses.py file.torrent
[01:50] <libben> yeah. but shouldent it be tabbable ? =)
[01:50] <nalioth> libben: maybe
[01:51] <nalioth> libben: there are about 12 commands that start with btdown
[01:51] <libben> not here
[01:51] <libben> nothing pops up
[01:51] <nalioth> libben: if you hit the tab key hard enough, they'll all shake out into your terminal
[01:51] <libben> but im on a fresh install of breezy
[01:54] <Sith_Tux> i keep getting a on screen display: display changed: lcd off ....... what is the problem?
[01:57] <Sith_Tux> anyone had this problem?
[02:02] <Sith_Tux> no one can help me with this???
[02:03] <libben> why did my path went away
[02:03] <nalioth> Sith_Tux: is your monitor plugged in? it sounds like a hardware issue
[02:04] <libben> who helped me with export ?
[02:04] <libben> crimsun: u here ?
[02:05] <Sith_Tux> nalioth: it's on my laptop. 
[02:05] <nalioth> Sith_Tux: it sounds like a hardware issue
[02:05] <Sith_Tux> nalioth: any idea where i can find it?
[02:06] <nalioth> Sith_Tux: if its a laptop, i'd try booting a livecd and see if it works
[02:07] <Sith_Tux> well it works, cause i'm using it now, but every minute i get this message
[02:09] <nalioth> sounds like hardware
[02:14] <libben> can path get changed by other packages ?
[02:14] <libben> cause all the sudden, my exported path is gone =(
[02:15] <nalioth> libben: if you dont put export blah blah into your .bashrc, it can be removed by logging out, restarting, etc
[02:16] <Flying_Eagle> or simply starting a new bash
[02:20] <libben> ok
[02:20] <libben> so how do i make it to a perm path ?
[02:22] <ManLord> this is actually a kaffeine problem, but since that channel is almost empty, maby someone here knows: I accidentally selected properties -> player engine -> netscape plugin, and now I can't get it back to xine, so no media will open.. please help
[03:09] <othomas> HIIII..wves
[03:09] <othomas> waves too
[03:10] <othomas> xmms - will play CD'S not audio connected to your puter..to cool
[03:14] <othomas> had a GRUNT of a time gettong it right..have to be logged as root to install the drvrs
[03:16] <othomas> gettong=getting
[03:17] <othomas> lag is a grunt too..bad fingers make it more effective...LOL
[03:18] <othomas> sorryu, I find this as good news
[03:41] <spine55> does anyone know how to change the translucency refresh rate on konsole?
[04:23] <pedri2> i have a usb web cam, what application do i need to view it?
[04:34] <pedri2> anyone here?
[04:35] <Kamping_Kaiser> yes, but i cant help you with that :/
[04:39] <othomas> hey K_KK
[04:39] <othomas> k_k too
[04:40] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi othomas :) how are you?
[04:41] <othomas> ghood ty..:)
[04:47] <pedri2> what's the kubuntu alternative for gnome meeting?
[04:54] <onesandzeros> pedri2: hold on a sec
[04:56] <onesandzeros> pedri2: surprisingly, google isn't turning up anything, neither is yahoo.  You could try asking in #kde
[04:57] <pedri2> thanks
[05:02] <pedri2> is konference included in the repo?
[05:02] <_robert> is there any quivalence for http://packages.qa.debian.org/ in the ubuntu world?
[05:03] <pedri2> packages.ubuntu.com
[05:03] <_robert> hehe no
[05:04] <_robert> packages,QA.debian.org
[05:05] <buz> is it normal that adept wants to remove kubuntu-desktop on hoary?
[05:05] <buz> i'm not crazy enough to install something like that
[05:06] <lonewolff> kubuntu-desktop is only a metapackage
[05:06] <buz> yes but last time something messed with it the result was a broken ~.kde
[05:07] <buz> so i'm wary now ;)
[05:07] <lonewolff> are you sure it wasnt something else you removed along with kubuntu-desktop, as it doesnt actually do anything but depend on a lot of packages to make installation easier
[05:08] <buz> that was the rc to final update disaster in march
[05:08] <buz> iirc it was related to kubuntu-desktop breakage
[05:08] <buz> ah well next weekend i'll update to breezy so it should be a non issue anyay
[05:08] <lonewolff> brezzy has lots of nice new stuff
[05:08] <Kamping_Kaiser> buz: the k-desktop package would ahve been removed as a result of something else, it doesnt hurt anything itself
[05:08] <lonewolff> and more arriving daily, which is nice
[05:09] <lonewolff> Kamping_Kaiser: exactly what i was trying to say, hehe
[05:09] <buz> i'm fine with synaptic for the time being ;)
[05:09] <Kamping_Kaiser> lonewolff: yeh, but i dont think it got through :)
[05:10] <buz> it did, i think its kinda weird though
[05:46] <bonzai10> hello
[05:46] <bonzai10> i have question
[05:47] <bonzai10> can i install amarok package from Breezy on Hoary??
[05:47] <Blissex> bonzai10: almost surely not.
[05:47] <Kamping_Kaiser> backports?
[05:47] <Kamping_Kaiser> Blissex: and thats quite sure.... i would have thought you could
[05:47] <bonzai10> so i have to distro-upgrade right??
[05:47] <musashi> hello everyone, i have 2 questions here since its my first time with kubuntu and stuff
[05:48] <musashi> 1. why is it taking so much RAM? its some process called Xorg, but if i close it, my system crashes. anyting i can do to make it use less ram?
[05:48] <Blissex> bonzai10: I would suggest waiting until Breezy is released officially, only a few weeks now.
[05:49] <kingconfesso1> anyone know how to log the boot
[05:49] <Kamping_Kaiser> musashi: xorg is your windowing system
[05:49] <Kamping_Kaiser> kingconfesso1: sudo
[05:49] <Blissex> musashi: Xorg actually takes a lot less memory than you think.
[05:49] <musashi> but its taking a lot of memory...
[05:49] <bonzai10> i know i just wondered if i can install new amarok on Horay, unfortunetly it fails to compile :(
[05:49] <Blissex> musashi: Xorg is the X server, or in other words the ''graphics library'' on which your GUI is based
[05:49] <kingconfesso1> kaiser: sudo what?
[05:49] <Kamping_Kaiser> musashi: its like xfree86 (if you ahve used older distros)
[05:50] <Kamping_Kaiser> sudo -s or sudo -i
[05:50] <Kamping_Kaiser> (shell or login)
[05:50] <Blissex> musashi: Xorg maps into its address space the whole framebuffer on must cards, but that does not mean it is using that much memory.
[05:50] <kingconfesso1> i'm a noob, not gonna lie, so i may need a little more help than that
[05:51] <kingconfesso1> whats the difference
[05:51] <Blissex> musashi: so if your graphics card has a 128MB of onboard RAM, the memory really used byu Xorg will be 128MB smaller than what is reported.
[05:51] <musashi> Blissex: but is there anything i can do to make it use a lil bit less memory? cause i have 512RAM and my system is lagging
[05:51] <Kamping_Kaiser> kingconfesso1: sudo -s will give a root shell. 
[05:52] <Blissex> kingconfesso1: what do you mean with  log the boot
[05:52] <kingconfesso1> i need to log what occurs when my machine boots
[05:52] <Blissex> musashi: I have 512MB too and with some care one can save memory...
[05:52] <kingconfesso1> because it keeps freezing during the boot
[05:52] <kingconfesso1> so i want to see if there is any patterns
[05:52] <Blissex> kingconfesso1: thats a difficult subject... wait
[05:53] <kingconfesso1> and also to post them in the forums
[05:53] <kingconfesso1> maybe someone will know whats going on
[05:53] <Blissex> kingconfesso1: actually quick answer: does 'dmesg' print what you need? (it is the very beginning of the boot)
[05:53] <Blissex> musashi: well, I have written a little unfinished document on how to save memory under KDE
[05:54] <Blissex> musashi: so you are lucky. Look at http://WWW.sabi.co.UK/Notes/linuxKDE.html there is an appropriate section.
[05:54] <kingconfesso1> well, when i boot, it runs through this text script, listing off that its decompressing the kernel, starting kubuntu, and then initializing services, however, it crashes at random points
[05:54] <musashi> Blissex: you think itll make my system faster?
[05:54] <Blissex> musashi: your system may also be lagging  because of many other reasons than lack of RAM. 512MB is pretty OK.
[05:54] <Blissex> musashi: yes, if you understand the underlying message...
[05:55] <Blissex> musashi: I have found that regularly restarting Konqueror is the single greatest iprovement.
[05:55] <Blissex> musashi: dont worry about the Xorg server, it is not the worst and in any you can do little about it.
[05:56] <kingconfesso1> so i need to get some kind of log of my boot
[05:56] <kingconfesso1> so i can try and get some help
[05:56] <Blissex> kingconfesso1: well 'dmesg' is the log of the _kernel_ side of the boot process.
[05:56] <musashi> Blissex: thank you very much for the help, i really appreciate it
[05:57] <kingconfesso1> do i just type that command in the terminal?
[05:57] <Blissex> kingconfesso1: the problem is really how to log the demons side of the boot, and for that there are special tools, but IIRC they are not available under Ubuntiu
[05:58] <Blissex> kingconfesso1: however, virtually all dmons log their errors to 'syslog', so have a look for signs of trouble for example in '/var/log/messages'
[05:58] <Blissex> kingconfesso1: yes, just type 'dmesg' at a 'root' terminal. Or perhaps just have a look at '/var/log/dmesg'
[05:58] <kingconfesso1> it seems like this all started a few updates back
[05:59] <kingconfesso1> konqueror and synaptic have been buggy also, konqueror crashes and synaptic crashes the machine occasionally
[05:59] <musashi> ok, now i  need help with one more thing. i justdownloaded the latest version of kopete, but i kinda dont understand what i have to do. do i have to compile it?
[06:01] <bonzai10> i have another question
[06:01] <Blissex> kingconfesso1: those are sumptoms like you tried to upgrade to Breezy or some other mixed thing like that...
[06:01] <mcscruff> how do i install install-crossover-standard-demo-4.2.sh
[06:02] <kingconfesso1> crap, i don't think i've tried to upgrade to breezy, all my repositories are hoary, i think
[06:02] <bonzai10> can anyone explain this command "./configure --prefix=`kde-config --prefix`"
[06:02] <Blissex> musashi: if possible, never ever download source packages, because compiling and installing them can require advanced developer skills.
[06:02] <bonzai10> what i have to type for prefix??
[06:02] <musashi> Blissex: but thats all iam able to find, the tarballs
[06:03] <Blissex> musashi: just install everything using APT ('apt-get', 'aptitudee', 'synaptic'). Almost everything you need is ready-made.
[06:03] <Blissex> musashi: I am pretty sure that Kopete is part of Kubuntu...
[06:03] <hydrogen> bonzai10: its saying the prefix is the return value of kde-config --prefix
[06:03] <bonzai10> i dont get it :/
[06:04] <bonzai10> where is it in kubuntu?
[06:04] <hydrogen>  /usr
[06:04] <musashi> yah, it has kopete, but i need the latest version, because this version keeps saying my password is wrong, but iam really sure is not wrong. so it must be a bug of this kopete version
[06:04] <kingconfesso1>         Sep 14 19:46:32 localhost kernel: ** PCI interrupts are no longer routed automatically.  If this Sep 14 19:46:32 localhost kernel: ** causes a device to stop working, it is probably because the Sep 14 19:46:32 localhost kernel: ** driver failed to call pci_enable_device().  As a temporary Sep 14 19:46:32 localhost kernel: ** workaround, the "pci=routeirq" argument restores the old Sep 14 19:46:32 localhost kernel: ** beh
[06:05] <kingconfesso1> is that normal?
[06:05] <bonzai10> ok thanx :)
[06:05] <Blissex> kingconfesso1: follow the advice contained therein.
[06:05] <kingconfesso1> haha
[06:05] <kingconfesso1> yeah, sorry i didn't see that until i just messaged it
[06:06] <Blissex> kingconfesso1: but that probably is a fairly harmless thing. I get it too and causes me no trouble.
[06:06] <kingconfesso1> theres all kinds of messages in here that i'm not sure are normal, and look kinda bad
[06:06] <Blissex> kingconfesso1: look more deeply into the 'dmesg' and '/var/log/messages'.
[06:06] <kingconfesso1>         Sep 14 19:46:32 localhost kernel:  Strange, kseriod not stopped  Q
[06:10] <kingconfesso1> maybe i'll just wait for breezy official, then format and clean install
[06:10] <kingconfesso1> its just really annoying having your machine crash nearly every cold boot
[06:12] <Blissex> musashi: I see. IIRC Kopete indeed has to be updated for a change in which some IM systems handled password, so indeed you need a newer version.
[06:12] <kingconfesso1> thanks anyways guys
[06:12] <Blissex> musashi: but installing from source is a pain. Look on the Ubuntu Wiki to see if someone has made an updated version  of Kopete you can just install from .deb
[06:13] <Blissex> musashi: also, I think that KDE 3.4.2, which is available for Hoary, has got a more recent version of Kopete.
[06:16] <musashi> Blissex: i c
[06:16] <Octane> anyone else experiencing this problem: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?s=01113878fab2f62eb4fc3e9fa26073be&p=356118
[06:17] <ndazza> Octane: no. but  i have the 3.4.2 packages installed
[06:18] <Blissex> musashi: if you have 3.4.1 it is in any case a good idea to upgrade to 3.4.2 which has a few bug fixes.
[06:19] <Octane> ndazza: I'm talking about breezy as well
[06:19] <musashi> Blissex: iam using KDE 3.4.0, is that REALLY old?
[06:20] <Blissex> musashi: not really old, it is OK, many still use 3.3.2, but it surely does not have the updated Kopete.
[06:20] <pedri2> are the blackdown sites available for breezy update of java?
[06:21] <lonewolff> musashi: kopete works again in 3.4.2, but not in the 3.4.0 version
[06:21] <ndazza> Octane: well no i haven't noticed anything unusual, though it could just be those problems haven't turned up yet
[06:21] <musashi> i see
[06:22] <ndazza> musashi: msn changed their authentication mechanism and it broke kopete. the 3.4.2 version works fine, as does most versions of gaim
[06:22] <musashi> well, can anyone hook me up with a link of were can i download the new packages?
[06:23] <ndazza> musashi: you could update to breezy, or you could download the .deb files by browsing an ubuntu repository (but that might cause dependency problems)
[06:23] <lonewolff> musashi: you could upgrade to breezy, or wait a few week untill the release and update then
[06:23] <musashi> ok then, iam going to wait for breezy
[06:24] <musashi> how many weeks until it comes out?
[06:24] <pipegeek> Hi, folks.  Just a quick question-- I'm trying to connect to an SMB share using konqueror, but it doesn't want to accept my password.  I'm able to connect to it (using the same un/pw) via smbmount and smbclient.  However, when I enter my un/pw, the authorization dialog box immediately pops up again.
[06:24] <Blissex> musashi: just upgrade to 3.4.2 for now.
[06:25] <pipegeek> That last message may have been garbled--it should start "I'm trying"
[06:25] <musashi> Blissex: but how?
[06:26] <pipegeek> Is there a log somewhere I could check?
[06:26] <Blissex> musashi: I am fairly sure that there is some HOWTO on the Kubuntu Wiki as to that.
[06:26] <Blissex> musashi: wait that I have a look... As I use the Hoary 3.4.2 myself.
[06:27] <pipegeek> I'm using hoary, btw
[06:27] <Pyf> im trying to change some samba settings in control center but whenever i click to go into admin modde, it doesnt seem to let me, is there a way to open sudo open control center?
[06:32] <ndazza> Pyf: try sudo kcontrol
[06:32] <Blissex> musashi: deb http://kubuntu.org/hoary-kde342 hoary-updates main
[06:33] <Blissex> musashi: and there are several mirrors of that
[06:34] <Blissex> musashi: for example:deb http://mirror.cc.columbia.edu/pub/software/kde/stable/3.4.2/kubuntu hoary-updates main
[06:34] <Blissex> add one of those two lines to your '/etc/apt/sources.lst'
[06:34] <jakedahn> hi all. Does anyone here know how to mount a HFS+ filesystem from kubuntu?
[06:35] <Blissex> musashi: this explains how: http://ilc.geektyme.org/viewtopic.php?p=2571
[06:35] <Blissex> jakedahn: most likely.
[06:35] <jakedahn> ok cool
[06:37] <musashi> Blissex: i do all of those commands in a terminal window?
[06:37] <jakedahn> and can anyone tell me how to fix my sound error? here is a screenshot http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v615/jakedahn/sounderror.png
[06:37] <jakedahn> and i am on a Mac Mini
[06:38] <Blissex> musashi: add the lines at the beginning to '/etc/apt/sources.list' and the one command from a terminal window.
[06:39] <Blissex> musashi: you should really read  http://www.debian.org/doc/user-manuals#apt-howto to see how all this package update stuff works. It is very important...
[06:39] <musashi> blissex: will do
[06:44] <Spudchat> hi everyone...i was wondering about upgrading to breezy
[06:44] <Spudchat> would i lose all the settings i allready have on here if i did?
[06:47] <pipegeek> Any ideas?  Where should I be looking to find out why konqueror isn't able to connect to smb servers?  Is there a log somewhere?  
[06:50] <Blissex> Spudchat: you will probably lose nothing. But don't upgrade until Breezy is released.
[06:50] <Blissex> pipegeek: start Konqueror from a terminal, it should print then error messages to it.
[06:51] <Spudchat> allright...i was just wonderin :)
[06:51] <Spudchat> anxious to try it out
[06:51] <musashi> hmm, how do i make sources.list writeable
[06:51] <musashi> because it wont let me write anything in it
[06:51] <Blissex> musashi: you must be 'root' to do any activity with installing or managing packages...
[06:52] <musashi> k
[06:52] <Blissex> musashi: you must be 'root' to do any activity with installing or managing packages...
[06:52] <Blissex> musashi: oops
[06:53] <Blissex> musashi: use a 'root' Konsole from the menu, or a 'root' tab within an existing Konsole, or 'sudo bash --login' from an existing tab.
[06:53] <pipegeek> Blissex: I have.  It doesn't.
[06:54] <Blissex> pipegeek: that's rather unlikely, unless you haveset the KDE verbosity level pretty low. There is a way to change the KDE message verbosity level, cannot remember how, ask in #KDE.
[07:00] <musashi> finally! the new packages are installing
[07:00] <musashi> thank you for all your help Blissex, it is much really appreciated
[07:00] <Blissex> musashi: good good. Thanks for the appreciation!
[07:01] <_tonio> hi all
[07:01] <_tonio> stupid question but do you have a gpg.conf file in your profile ?
[07:01] <_tonio> I can generate keys but I don't have this file......
[07:02] <_tonio> sounds crazy
[07:04] <DarkAtmiral> hab gerade ubuntu installiert
[07:04] <DarkAtmiral> macht nen guten eindruch
[07:04] <DarkAtmiral> nur mein sound geht hier auch nicht
[07:05] <DarkAtmiral> seit kernel 2.6.12 gehts nicht mehr
[07:06] <Chousuke> Speak English.
[07:23] <libben> crimsun: u here now?
[07:57] <apokryphos> ubotu: tell nmorse about upgrade2breezy
[07:57] <nmorse> Thanks apokryphos
[07:57] <buz> !upgrade2breezy
[07:57] <ubotu> The guide to upgrading to breezy (5.10) is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyUpgrade
[07:59] <buz> shouldnt that wiki entry have some warning about maybe doing backups?
[07:59] <buz> just in case?
[07:59] <buz> ah https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyUpgradeNotes does
[08:00] <buz> yes but not very prominently
[08:00] <apokryphos> buz: good idea to fix it then =)
[08:00] <buz> granted, it's at the top, but not in bold or anything
[08:01] <buz> i rather dont write anything important today
[08:01] <buz> half feverish
[08:05] <ztonzy> apokryphos, hey
[08:05] <apokryphos> ztonzy: hi there =)
[08:05] <apokryphos> buz: ouch, sorry to hear that buz. Hope you get better :)
[08:05] <buz> i wouldnt mind it so much if it wasnt for my exams on tuesday :(
[08:06] <buz> as long as i'm healthy again until then i'm ok with it ;)
[08:06] <ztonzy> apokryphos, the only difference from breezy preview and current latest update in kubuntu/hoary is openoffice, kernel , and that's it ?
[08:07] <apokryphos> ztonzy: a few other little things too (some other kde patches), but the KDE version is the same
[08:07] <ztonzy> apokryphos, I guessed
[08:08] <buz> is there a chance to get kde 3.5 from some other approved source like we did with hoary?
[08:08] <apokryphos> ztonzy: it's a lot faster though :)
[08:08] <ztonzy> apokryphos, it is ? :)
[08:08] <ztonzy> :D :O
[08:08] <ztonzy> maybe time to upgrade 
[08:08] <apokryphos> buz: oh, kubuntu will of course be again the first to package 3.5 =)
[08:08] <buz> yeah
[08:08] <apokryphos> buz: I think it'll go in backports this time
[08:08] <ztonzy> what is best...to upgrade as is, or do it from start ?
[08:09] <buz> sure pissed gentoo using friend of mine off  ;)
[08:09] <ztonzy> buz, hehe
[08:09] <apokryphos> ztonzy: upgrade as is should be fine, but mind you -- breezy official isn't out yet. It's still technically unstable.
[08:09] <ztonzy> apokryphos, yes I know
[08:09] <buz> "buuuuttt.... " i can still hear it ;)
[08:09] <buz> ... "it's still compiling!!! no fair"
[08:09] <ztonzy> some folks I know already done it, have you yet ?
[08:09] <apokryphos> buz: "Gentoo are once again the first to package KDE, and will be the last to use it" *g*
[08:09] <buz> yes
[08:10] <buz> and its probably still masked
[08:10] <nikkia2> apokryphos: the amazing thing is, most of them only just finished compiling 3.2 :P
[08:10] <apokryphos> you have to first figure out which of the 250 mini-kde-packages you want, then glue them together somehow
[08:12] <genjix> hello, i have got flash working with firefox. i was wondering how I can get it working with konqueror
[08:13] <buz> then figure out what use flags you need
[08:13] <buz> and finally hope gcc doesnt choke
[08:13] <genjix> i have added the /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox to the plugins folders
[08:13] <genjix> and scanned for the flash plugin, but it doesn't show up on the plugins list.
[08:14] <apokryphos> genjix: do you have flashplayer-mozilla installed?
[08:14] <genjix> libflash-mozplugin? yes.
[08:15] <apokryphos> !info flashplayer-mozilla
[08:15] <ubotu> flashplayer-mozilla: (Macromedia Flash Player), section multiverse/web, is optional. Version: 7.0.25-0.0 (hoary), Packaged size: 956 kB, Installed size: 2136 kB
[08:15] <apokryphos> genjix: nope, this one.
[08:16] <buz> has anyone ever gotten the free flashlib to work?
[08:17] <apokryphos> nope
[08:17] <genjix> apokryphos: all my apt repositories are uncommented but it doesn't exist
[08:17] <apokryphos> genjix: it's in Multiverse
[08:17] <apokryphos> genjix: any lines that have "Universe", add "Multiverse" to them
[08:19] <genjix> no way! i knew there was more than this :)
[08:19] <apokryphos> =)
[08:22] <genjix> nope. no plugins found still.
[08:24] <genjix> but there is a lot more in /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox now
[08:25] <apokryphos> genjix: do a full restart of Konqueror
[08:25] <apokryphos> genjix: close it, then in Terminal -> killall konqueror
[08:25] <genjix> ok
[08:25] <apokryphos> restart it, then scan for plugins. It should work.
[08:26] <genjix> ok im going to kill x
[08:28] <genjix> :(
[08:28] <genjix> i have the path /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/plugins
[08:28] <genjix> and underneath that path are the 3 plugin files (including the dynamic library)
[08:29] <apokryphos> hm
[08:29] <apokryphos> genjix: what do you have in ~/.mozilla/plugins ?
[08:29] <slicslak> gentoo has rc-update to control which init.d apps start on startup.  what's the equivilent in ubuntu?
[08:30] <genjix> flashplayer.xpt and libflashplayer.so
[08:30] <genjix> slicslak just make dynamic links in
[08:30] <apokryphos> genjix: and Konqueror is definitely set to scan it?
[08:30] <NamShub>  slicslak update-rc.d
[08:30] <genjix> rcX.d
[08:30] <apokryphos> libflashplayer.so is what Konqueror needs. It really should work if it scans that directory
[08:30] <genjix> no...
[08:31] <slicslak> thanks!
[08:31] <apokryphos> genjix: add it, then.
[08:31] <genjix> just have
[08:32] <genjix> nothing
[08:32] <genjix> going to restart konq and read the help files a bit
[08:32] <genjix> brb
[08:33] <apokryphos> Odd
[08:33] <apokryphos> genjix: you have kde 3.4.2?
[08:34] <genjix> yes
[08:34] <genjix> no kde 3.4.0
[08:34] <apokryphos> !kde342
[08:34] <ubotu> kde342 is, like, totally, at http://kubuntu.org/hoary-kde-342.php
[08:35] <genjix> really? will kynaptic update it for me?
[08:36] <genjix> ok thank you. i do really appreciate your help and time.
[08:38] <apokryphos> genjix: oh, yes
[08:39] <buz> did the filter freeze issue in kmail get fixed in the past few months?
[08:39] <apokryphos> genjix: kynaptic/apt. Just add   deb http://kubuntu.org/hoary-kde342 hoary-updates main  to your /etc/apt/sources.list
[08:39] <buz> i'd like to ditch thunderbird ;)=
[08:40] <apokryphos> buz: what was the bug?
[08:40] <buz> external filtering of a lot of messages freezes it as it's done in the main thread
[08:41] <genjix> apokryphos: doing that right now
[08:41] <buz> say you hand 1000 mails to spamassassin, it will freeze until spamassassin processed every single one of them
[08:41] <buz> instead of starting a new thread, to communicate with spamassassin
[08:41] <buz> and let me continue work
[08:42] <buz> other than that, kmail would be a decent client
[08:44] <Leshrac> hello, I'm trying to get a wireless card working using ndiswrapper but the first step says: Launch synaptic or whatever package management tool you prefer, and I don't know hot to start synaptic or any other package manager.
[08:45] <apokryphos> buz: gmail does all my filtering for me (luckily), so haven't experienced
[08:45] <apokryphos> Yup, I do love KMail.
[08:45] <buz> i dont trust gmail
[08:45] <buz> did weird stuff to me more than once
[08:45] <apokryphos> Leshrac: run Kynaptic. alt+f2 -> kdesu kynaptic
[08:45] <apokryphos> buz: I checked the spam for about a month; never got one in there I didn't want.
[08:45] <Leshrac> thanks, btw, what des that rogram do?
[08:45] <apokryphos> still check it on rare occassions.
[08:46] <buz> no really spam checking related
[08:46] <apokryphos> Leshrac: it's the Kubuntu Package Manager.
[08:46] <buz> more like not delivering mails for hours at times
[08:46] <Leshrac> ok thanks
[08:46] <apokryphos> buz: hasn't happened here :D
[08:46] <buz> (to servers I control myself, so i know its googles fault ;(
[08:47] <apokryphos> oO
[08:47] <nikkia2> buz, i've seen that too
[08:48] <buz> so you might agree on my wariness ;)
[08:48] <nikkia2> buz, i also get the 'sorry, gmail is not available at the moment' a fair bit
[08:48] <buz> mhh that i havent seen
[08:48] <buz> but i rarely ever use it
[08:48] <buz> i dont think it's all that good it's made out to be anyway
[08:48] <buz> the new yahoo interface looks gorgeous though
[08:48] <buz> just like a normal client should look ;)
[08:49] <buz> nooow, something like that in open source i want ;)
[08:49] <nikkia2> i use it for emails i don't want connecting me to my, umm, private things, that my personal email might give away :)
[08:49] <nikkia2> ie, most co-workers know my gmail address, a select few know my real address
[08:50] <nikkia2> apokryphos: i have a total of somewhere in the neighbourhood of 100-120 email addresses :)
[08:51] <nikkia2> most of which get checked once or twice a year :)
[08:51] <apokryphos> nikkia: but not ones you use? ;-)
[08:51] <buz> i have about 40
[08:51] <nikkia2> apokryphos: no, i use, umm, 8 routinely
[08:51] <buz> 5 i read
[08:51] <buz> 2 i sometimes check
[08:51] <buz> the rest i dont even bother anymore
[08:51] <apokryphos> yup, we're all around the same.
[08:51] <musashi> hello again everybody
[08:52] <musashi> is it possible to run a exe file in kubuntu?
[08:53] <musashi> because iam trying to install a game that i played on windows
[08:53] <uc50_ic4more> Musashi - Do you currently have any type of Windows(tm) emulation installed, like WINE or QEMU or anything like that?
[08:54] <apokryphos> nikkia2: where else would kvirc save identity etc setttings? In settings -> identity I have apokryphos and my real name, but it insists on always connecting me as apokryp:apokryp
[08:54] <nikkia2> apokryphos: there are two sets of settings
[08:54] <nikkia2> one 'global', and one per-server
[08:55] <apokryphos> gah
[08:56] <laszlok> musashi: what kind of game? Simple or lots of graphics?
[08:56] <apokryphos> and there seems to be a Settings -> Registered users
[08:56] <apokryphos> confusing
[08:57] <nikkia2> laszlok: actually, the effectiveness of wine/cedega seems to have little real bearing on how complex the game is...
[08:58] <Foodcoman> Is cedega necessary to play many current games or can wine do it on it own?
[08:58] <nikkia2> Foodcoman: you can get winex, which is basically cedega without copy protection support
[08:58] <apokryphos> nikkia: sorry, where's the per-server setting? Can't seem to find it.
[08:58] <nikkia2> apokryphos: under the servers list in the settings
[08:59] <nikkia2> find a server, and there should be a tab for user settings
[08:59] <nikkia2> normally, the checkbox for overridding the global settings should be unchecked, but you might have checked it by mistake
[08:59] <Foodcoman> nikkia2: I dont want to copy anything, would that allow my boy to play his games?  Jurrassic Park Operation Genesis?
[08:59] <Foodcoman> Without rebooting to windows?
[08:59] <nikkia2> Foodcoman: no, thats not what i mean
[09:00] <apokryphos> d'oh. Thanks. 8)
[09:00] <nikkia2> Foodcoman: if the game uses copy protection, cedega has code to allow that to work, winex doesn't, and in most cases, will fail because it thinks the game is a pirated copy
[09:02] <musashi> um
[09:03] <musashi> laslok: its a MMORPG with 3D graphics
[09:03] <apokryphos> Half way there :D
[09:03] <Foodcoman> nikkia2: I track with you now!  Gotcha.
[09:03] <musashi> uc50_ic4more: erm..nope?
[09:03] <nikkia2> musashi, which one?
[09:05] <musashi> nikkia2: ragnarok online
[09:05] <nikkia2> ragnarok is 3d now ?
[09:05] <Foodcoman> nikkia2: Cedega is Subscription correct?
[09:05] <nikkia2> Foodcoman: yes
[09:06] <apokryphos> nikkia2: do you get the auto-identify to work with the settings -> irc -> nickserv?
[09:06] <apokryphos> seems like there's many ways to do it, apparently.
[09:06] <nikkia2> apokryphos: no point, on freenode
[09:06] <nikkia2> apokryphos: just send your nickserv password as the irc server password, and you get auto-id'ed
[09:07] <buz> oh really? nice feature ;)
[09:08] <Leshrac> I have a question, I am trying to get hold of the .inf file to make ndiswrapper work, but the windows drivers come in a .exe windows installer
[09:08] <Leshrac> what should I do?
[09:11] <musashi> nikia2: it is 2d
[09:11] <musashi> 3d*
[09:12] <musashi> Ragnarok Online backgrounds are fully 3d, while the characters are 2d
[09:12] <musashi> thats what makes that game so addictive :P
[09:13] <apokryphos> nikkia2: server pass isn't set in settings -> connectiong -> servers -> freenode?
[09:14] <nikkia2> apokryphos: it is.... 
[09:14] <nikkia2> apokryphos: there should be an advanced button, iirc, that opens the username/password settings for the server
[09:15] <apokryphos> nikkia2: entered all that, with autojoin channels etc etc; password is in there, but no autoidentification
[09:15] <Foodcoman> My son is hook on Battle for Wesnoth.
[09:15] <Foodcoman> =)
[09:15] <Foodcoman> Installed yesterday.
[09:15] <nikkia2> apokryphos: strange
[09:16] <cb68> Hello, I am installing kubuntu 5 10
[09:17] <cb68> And after my computer restart I have a blue screen with installing package
[09:17] <cb68> Preparing for installation 
[09:17] <cb68> But it stay at 0%
[09:17] <cb68> Is it normal ?
[09:18] <cb68> I presse cnt alt del
[09:18] <Foodcoman> Hrmmm CD drive not detected to extract packages after reboot?
[09:18] <Foodcoman> Laptop?
[09:19] <cb68> I took the DVD away after the fist installation
[09:20] <cb68> Now I am a black screen in root 
[09:20] <jakedahn> hey, can someone help me get sound on my mac mini running kubuntu?
[09:21] <cb68> i start again 
[09:22] <cb68> I explain : I just install a new Kubuntu 5 10
[09:23] <cb68> And It does not work I still have ubuntu configuration Installing package 
[09:23] <cb68> 0%
[09:23] <cb68> Shall I reinstall all ?
[09:23] <Pyf> whats the command to change permissions of a folder in terminal?
[09:23] <Leshrac> chmod
[09:24] <Pyf> so "sudo chmod sam:sam folder
[09:24] <Pyf> to change to sam
[09:24] <cb68> Where can I get support in an installation
[09:24] <nikkia2> pyf, erm, no :)
[09:24] <Leshrac> no, that's chown
[09:24] <nikkia2> pyf, that'd be chown you're thinking of
[09:24] <Leshrac> to change owner
[09:25] <Pyf> but the format is right?
[09:25] <cb68> Question I want to install Kubuntu on a partition 
[09:25] <nikkia2> pyf, chmod takes either octal permissions (755, etc), or a string in the form of u+rx, u=rw, u-w, etc
[09:25] <cb68> The partition already exist at least I should format it 
[09:25] <jakedahn> hey, can someone help me get sound on my mac mini running kubuntu? anyone at all?
[09:25] <nikkia2> eg, sudo chmod 755 folder
[09:26] <Leshrac> try in the ubuntu channel jake, maybe you have more luck
[09:26] <cb68> How easy is it to install Kubuntu ?
[09:26] <jakedahn> ok, is it just #ubuntu?
[09:26] <Leshrac> yes
[09:26] <jakedahn> ok 
[09:27] <cb68> OK now My screen is in the partitionning 
[09:27] <Leshrac> cb64 as easy as plugging the cd in you drive
[09:27] <insanekane> cb68: do you have some "free space" which u plan to use for kubuntu ?
[09:28] <cb68> no I have a whole partition for that 
[09:28] <insanekane> cb68: you mean a windows partition ?
[09:28] <cb68> or yes the free space is hda5
[09:28] <insanekane> cb68: ok, move cursor to it, press enter ... and delete the partition
[09:29] <insanekane> cb68: then, go back to the main menu (ie, partitioning menu) and select "automatically partition"
[09:29] <cb68> Can I keep the partition and format it simply
[09:29] <insanekane> cb68: no
[09:29] <cb68> OK I delete the partition 
[09:30] <cb68> And how to delete a partition with the installation tool, I click on the hda5 ?
[09:31] <cb68> Yes I found it
[09:31] <apokryphos> sorry for the spam, finally done :D
[09:31] <Leshrac> it's pretty straightforward cb64
[09:31] <cb68> hda5 is deleted now and how to create it again ?
[09:31] <eljefe> anyone knows how to change the new usplash theme?
[09:32] <apokryphos> nikkia: thanks
[09:32] <Leshrac> I'd use the automatic option cb64
[09:32] <insanekane> cb68: no need to create it ... just select the "automatically partition" menu item .. and you partition+swap is created
[09:32] <cb68> Sorry I have an french version if I choose partitionnement assist is it ok?
[09:33] <cb68> In english it means assisted partitionning not automatic
[09:33] <Leshrac> it should do it
[09:33] <cb68> Or should I go back 
[09:33] <Leshrac> it's probably just a bad translation
[09:33] <slow-motion> hallo
[09:34] <cb68> OK option number 3 after  RAID (n1) and LVM n2
[09:34] <insanekane> cb68: i don't know the position of the menu item, or the french translation ..
[09:35] <cb68> I don't want to loose all my disk !
[09:35] <insanekane> cb68: but one think i can tell ... until you "commit" the changes to the partition table, it wont be changed ... in other words, (afaict) hda5 hasn';t been deleted *yet*
[09:36] <insanekane> cb68: don't worry ... try the assisted partitioning (if there is nothing closer to the meaning of automatic) ... btw, it is quite easy to see it, since there are only few menu entries
[09:37] <cb68> OK i did it my hda5 now has the number 9 and is LVM ?
[09:37] <cb68> and not ext3 ?
[09:37] <insanekane> no matter ...
[09:37] <insanekane> err ..
[09:37] <insanekane> didn't you select assisted partitioning ?
[09:37] <insanekane> cb68: ^^^
[09:38] <insanekane> cb68: did you get the new swap space as well ?
[09:38] <cb68> OK now I understant The lvm of 10 giga is divided in 9.6 ext3 for the installation and 444 Mega for the swap !
[09:38] <insanekane> cb68: yep :)
[09:38] <cb68> I think this sould be new ?
[09:39] <insanekane> yep
[09:39] <insanekane> so now continue with the installation :)
[09:39] <cb68> OK I did it ! 
[09:39] <cb68> I have a message
[09:40] <insanekane> like ?
[09:40] <cb68> Partitionner les disques avec l'outils partman not yet implemented!
[09:40] <insanekane> ?
[09:40] <cb68> Thsi ext2 filessystem has a rather strange layout ! Parted cant resise this yet
[09:40] <cb68> I did not to resize 
[09:41] <insanekane> cb68: oh ... u are resizing the lvm partition .. hmm ..
[09:41] <cb68> I press continue anyway
[09:41] <insanekane> cb68: hda5 was originally LVM ?
[09:41] <troy> is adept going to become kynaptic replacement?
[09:41] <laszlok> musashi: 3d graphics won't work on kubuntu
[09:41] <cb68> non I had hda1 windows
[09:41] <laszlok> Lechrac: use wine to run the drivers, see if you can get them to extract the inf for you
[09:42] <insanekane> cb68: no, what abt hda5 ?
[09:42] <cb68> and on my logical parti hda5 lin1 hda6 swap etc..
[09:42] <insanekane> cb68: i think win xp uses LVM afaik
[09:43] <cb68> I did not understant this message : but the installation continue
[09:43] <insanekane> cb68: so hda5 was originally ext3 ?
[09:43] <insanekane> ok
[09:43] <cb68> Probably a wrong message !
[09:43] <cb68> It is still a beta distri 
[09:43] <insanekane> hmm, i doubt it ... i do remember partman not supporting LVM ... wonder if it does know though
[09:44] <cb68> Do you know if on the old distri the partitionin was lvm ?
[09:46] <insanekane> cb68: i have not used LVM so far ... but i do wish it was available :)
[09:47] <cb68> I only did a first test 6 month ago but I install it on a totaly blank disk.
[09:47] <cb68> But now I install it on a specified partition
[09:48] <musashi> laslok: 3d graphics wont work on kubuntu!?!?
[09:49] <musashi> what if i use a winodws emulator like wine?
[09:49] <cb68> i have a red screen
[09:49] <haim> welcom
[09:49] <cb68> I should check /var/log/syslog
[09:50] <cb68> it says that the partition var do not have enough space !
[09:50] <cb68> What is the var partition ? I wanted all in one partiton !
[09:51] <cb68> I press continue
[09:53] <haim> how i can play  game
[09:53] <haim> ?
[09:54] <Leshrac> what game?
[09:54] <cb68> I have one more red screen ! 
[09:54] <cb68> apt configuration failed
[09:54] <haim> 0verkill-0.16
[09:55] <cb68> installation lilo failed !
[09:55] <cb68> This version does not work well !!! 
[09:55] <insanekane> cb68: damnit, you probably need to remove lvm ... or something ...
[09:55] <insanekane> cb68: btw, the "damnit" was not aimed at you, but the installer :)
[09:56] <cb68> I hope I will find my data for the other partitions
[09:57] <cb68> Now I have the choise to put lili on /dev/hdb or /dev/hda9 ???
[09:58] <insanekane> cb68: why lilo ? why not grub ?
[09:59] <cb68> My installer write lilo
[09:59] <insanekane> oh right
[09:59] <cb68> OK I remove my lvm partion and start again !
[09:59] <insanekane> hmm, last time i installed, the default was grub ... or so it seemed
[09:59] <Leshrac> yes, default is grub
[10:03] <Leshrac> now that we speak of grub, I have just noticed that it has broken my WinXP installation
[10:03] <Leshrac> does anyone know how can I fix it?
[10:04] <Kyaneos> has nobody problems connecting to the msn network with kopete??
[10:05] <Slike> hello, which package do I need to install to have the html/php/...-help available in quanta?
[10:05] <insanekane> Leshrac: what do you mean ?
[10:05] <Leshrac> I get an error message when trying to load winxp
[10:05] <Leshrac> it's says it lacks a file
[10:06] <mustafu> I wish that's all my WinXP lacked ;)
[10:06] <troy> not sure, but is kynaptic supposed to take 45 minutes updates for only two days (breezy)
[10:07] <cb68> I stop my installation  and now my other partion is not usable !
[10:07] <cb68> I distroy all my disk because of lvm
[10:07] <insanekane> cb68: you probably didnt, you can use the livecd to check properly
[10:08] <cb68> It is too late 
[10:08] <cb68> And I had a partition specialy to test  distribution
[10:09] <insanekane> hmm
[10:09] <cb68> I have a distri for my daily work and I want to test new distri in order to adopt it and I wanted to change for kubuntu
[10:09] <cb68> Now I have kernel panic
[10:09] <cb68> with my old mandriva distri
[10:10] <Leshrac> when loading windows from grub it tells me it lacks this file: <windows root>\system32\hal.dll, and it doesn't load. does anyone know what can I do to fix it?
[10:10] <slow-motion> thats clear that the kernel gets panic.
[10:10] <cb68> OK windows xp works for me
[10:11] <insanekane> Leshrac: yes, that happens very often to me ... don't know how to fix, but i suggest extracting it from the windows installer disk cab files, and replacing it in the right place
[10:11] <cb68> How to delete lvm partition ?
[10:12] <Leshrac> insane, has it worked for you?
[10:12] <insanekane> Leshrac: i haven't tried ... XP is not dear to me ;)
[10:12] <cb68> OK I try to install again 
[10:12] <insanekane> (or to the people I have converted over to Kubuntu ;) )
[10:13] <cb68> But I am tired it is 22:12 here
[10:13] <Leshrac> I would be happy to use it if I could get my wireless card to work
[10:13] <Leshrac> but without it is totally useless
[10:16] <insanekane> Leshrac: iwconfig stuff doesnt work ?
[10:17] <Leshrac> problem is I can't get ndiswrapper to work
[10:20] <Kyaneos> has nobody problems connecting to the msn network with kopete?? please
[10:20] <cb68> no
[10:21] <lonewolff> Kyaneos: 3.4.0 wont connect to msn. 3.4.2 will, msn updated their auth stuff so it broke kopete
[10:24] <Kyaneos> ok lonewolff , thank you very much
[10:24] <nikkia2> lonewolff, the kopete in the standard hoary repos works too
[10:24] <Kyaneos> lonewolff: can i install kopete 3.4.2 without installing all the 3.4.2 KDE environment??
[10:24] <Kyaneos> lonewolff: not for me
[10:24] <lonewolff> nikkia2: what version is that?
[10:25] <lonewolff> nikkia2: it didnt work for me when i was on hoary
[10:25] <nikkia2> lonewolff just waiting for aptitude to load to check
[10:25] <nikkia2> 3.4.0ubuntu2.1
[10:25] <lonewolff> hmmm, i could never get that to work
[10:25] <lonewolff> and neither can lots of other people
[10:25] <Kyaneos> nikkia2: it does not work for me
[10:25] <nikkia2> i'm on msn with it right now
[10:25] <lascar> does anyone remember the name of the package that enables gnome apps to look right in kde?
[10:26] <Kyaneos> gtk-qt-engine
[10:26] <Kyaneos> is not it?
[10:26] <insanekane> yep
[10:26] <nikkia2> 'kopete 0.10 using KDE 3.4.0'
[10:26] <Pyf> i have a  aweird problem where my screen seems to kind of lock up ever  20seconds for about half a second, its really annoying when typing, (its doing it now!) and watching videos....
[10:26] <gsuveg> anyone use klik?
[10:26] <lonewolff> nikkia2: you are one of the lucky ones then
[10:27] <gsuveg> on hoary ?
[10:27] <nikkia2> lonewolff, bear in mind that the version on the hoary CD was 3.4.0ubuntu2
[10:27] <Kyaneos> nikkia2: so i can not connect
[10:27] <nikkia2> lonewolff, so it was updated since april
[10:27] <lascar> Kyaneos: that's not it
[10:28] <lonewolff> nikkia2: ah ok, i've not been using hoary recently, i shall have to change my recomendation then
[10:28] <nikkia2> Kyaneos: you want gtk2-engines-gtk-qt btw
[10:28] <nikkia2> the other one is for gtk 1
[10:29] <lascar> nikkia2: thanx
[10:29] <Kyaneos> nikkia2: then you are using Kopete 3.4.0, are not you?
[10:29] <nikkia2> Kyaneos: yes, but the patched version that was released to the kubuntu repos in about june iirc
[10:30] <nikkia2> ie, about 1 week after MSN changed their protocols
[10:30] <Kyaneos> what iirc means?
[10:31] <nikkia2> iirc=if i remember correctly
[10:31] <Kyaneos> nikkia2: yes, i remember the problem, i was affected, it was fixed
[10:31] <Kyaneos> nikkia2: but now, it is the same problem
[10:31] <nikkia2> kyaneos, *shrug* as i said, works here
[10:31] <Kyaneos> nikkia2: it says to me i give it a wrong password
[10:32] <nikkia2> kyaneos, maybe you have the wrong password :)
[10:32] <Kyaneos> no
[10:32] <Kyaneos> i am sure i have the good passwd
[10:33] <Kyaneos> x(
[10:33] <nikkia2> well, let me disconnect and try reconnecting, but i imagine it'll still work
[10:34] <fatejudger> is there a way to run a script or some command on bootup?
[10:34] <nikkia2> yep, 'online'
[10:34] <nikkia2> Kyaneos: you sure you're using 3.4.0ubuntu2.1 ?
[10:38] <Kyaneos> nikkia2: i think so
[10:38] <Kyaneos> nikkia2: 3.4.0 sure
[10:38] <Kyaneos> kdebase        3.4.0-0ubuntu1
[10:39] <Kyaneos> nikkia2: that is the problem, from what repository have you download the ubuntu2.1 version??
[10:39] <nikkia2> kyaneos, only look at kopete
[10:39] <nikkia2> it was updated seperate to kde
[10:40] <nikkia2> Kyaneos: i'm 99% sure its from the official repos.
[10:40] <Kyaneos> 4:3.4.0-0ubuntu2
[10:40] <nikkia2> and it doesn't have a multiverse or universe tag
[10:40] <Kyaneos> this is my version
[10:40] <nikkia2> Kyaneos: thats why then
[10:40] <nikkia2> thats the old april version
[10:40] <Kyaneos> nikkia2: and how can it upgrade it?
[10:40] <Kyaneos> nikkia2: i have the official repos and the bakcports repos
[10:41] <nikkia2> kyaneos, it should be listed as a choice in aptitude
[10:41] <nikkia2> !info kopete
[10:41] <ubotu> kopete: (Instant messenger program), section kde, is optional. Version: 4:3.4.0-0ubuntu2 (hoary), Packaged size: 4258 kB, Installed size: 14384 kB
[10:41] <nikkia2> hmmm
[10:41] <nikkia2> i wonder if its tagged wrong somehow
[10:42] <Kyaneos> nikkia2: where is the choice in aptitude?
[10:43] <nikkia2> Kyaneos: press 'v' while pointing at kopete
[10:43] <nikkia2> it should present a list of versions to choose from
[10:43] <Kyaneos> 4.3.4.0-0ubuntu2
[10:44] <nikkia2> i wonder if this is a 'us.archive is lousy' issue
[10:44] <Kyaneos> this is the only version
[10:44] <Kyaneos> nikkia2: i do not understand lousy
[10:45] <nikkia2> Kyaneos: ok, there's another way around this
[10:45] <nikkia2> http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/k/kdenetwork/
[10:45] <Kyaneos> nikkia2: should i change my 'es' repos to 'us' repos
[10:45] <nikkia2> go there, download the .deb, and install it with dpkg -i
[10:45] <troy> phew!
[10:46] <nikkia2> Kyaneos: its possible the es mirror is 3+ months out of date, but i find it hard to believe
[10:46] <troy> didn't know changing hostname would be so risky - had to reboot into recovery mode and update /etc/hosts as well
[10:46] <Kyaneos> nikkia2: i am now testing with us
[10:46] <nikkia2> and indeed, 2.1 is on the es archive
[10:48] <Kyaneos> i have changed to us repo, and it is the same problem
[10:48] <Kyaneos> i can not download from apt the 2.1 version
[10:49] <nikkia2> Kyaneos: i wonder if you've somehow lost hoary-updates from your sources list
[10:49] <Kyaneos> nikkia2: what is your sources.list?
[10:50] <Kyaneos> http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-security
[10:50] <Kyaneos> and main restricted universe and multiverse sections
[10:50] <Kyaneos> is it wrong?
[10:50] <nikkia2> Kyaneos: its hoary-updates that is important
[10:50] <Kyaneos> ah
[10:51] <Kyaneos> o xDD
[10:51] <Kyaneos> sorry
[10:51] <Kyaneos> i read hoary-security
[10:51] <Kyaneos> i am sorry
[10:52] <Kyaneos> nikkia2: what is the server?
[10:52] <Kyaneos> please
[10:52] <nikkia2> and indeed, 2.1 is listed in the packages file for hoary-updates
[10:52] <Kyaneos> ok ok
[10:52] <Kyaneos> you are right
[10:52] <Kyaneos> nikkia2: thank you very very very much
[10:54] <nikkia2> god darn it!
[10:54] <nikkia2> its **&*@(ing ubuntuguide, telling people to comment out hoary-updates
[10:54] <Kyaneos> i am so stupid
[10:54] <nikkia2> Kyaneos: no, you followed the recommendations of ubuntuguide
[10:54] <Kyaneos> and sorry for my English
[10:54] <Kyaneos> i though i have all the repos
[10:55] <nikkia2> Kyaneos: no, ubuntuguide makes some very very bad changes to sources
[10:55] <lonewolff> whats with ubuntugide anyway? it seems to be causing a lot of bother recently
[10:55] <nikkia2> lonewolff: retards
[10:55] <nikkia2> or one, probably
[10:55] <nikkia2> lonewolff: most of his info is utter BS
[10:55] <nikkia2> including disabling hoary-updates
[10:56] <lonewolff> yeah i noticed last time i looked over there
[10:56] <lonewolff> a bit of a pain, because people will use the advice on there
[10:56] <nikkia2> lonewolff: that's why regulars/ops here are supposed to never recommend it
[10:56] <nikkia2> lonewolff: unfortunately, some people do still
[10:58] <nikkia2> Kyaneos: anyway, did getting 2.1 allow you back on MSN ?
[10:59] <Kyaneos> nikkia2: i am downloading it now
[10:59] <nikkia2> ok
[10:59] <Kyaneos> when i used Kubuntu for the last time, i get support for MSN
[10:59] <nikkia2> Kyaneos: perhaps last time you didn't modify sources.list ? who knows
[11:00] <Kyaneos> nikkia2: now it does not connect to any protocol
[11:00] <Kyaneos> nikkia2: i go to restart KDE
[11:00] <nikkia2> Kyaneos: yeah, might be necessary
[11:00] <Kyaneos> but thank you very very much
[11:01] <nikkia2> kopete uses shared libs for its protocols, and they can 'hang around' a bit
[11:01] <Kyaneos> i will back now
[11:04] <Kyaneos> nikkia2: now it works perfectly
[11:04] <nikkia2> good to know
[11:05] <nikkia2> you'll probably find there's other stuff that's been updated in hoary-updates you might want to update too
[11:09] <Kyaneos> yes
[11:10] <Kyaneos> nikkia2: glib and some other things...
[11:46] <lonewolff> hmmm, does anyone know how to make speakers on the imac mute when you plug in headphones?
[11:47] <slow-motion_> n8
[11:48] <Abdul_Mueid> hello everyone
[11:51] <Abdul_Mueid> hello Foodcoman 
[11:52] <Foodcoman> Hello
[11:52] <Abdul_Mueid> how are you foodcoman?
[11:52] <Foodcoman> Good, fighting a bit of a cold.
[11:53] <Foodcoman> Resting before flying out to Texas Sunday for a seminar.
[11:53] <Abdul_Mueid> same here... weather is changing constantly here these days
[11:53] <Abdul_Mueid> ohk
[11:53] <Foodcoman> Fall is always good from some change.
[11:53] <Abdul_Mueid> yeah
[11:53] <Abdul_Mueid> tell me something, have u tried GimpShop yet?
[11:54] <Foodcoman> Is that the Lookalike interface for Gimp to look like photoshop?
[11:54] <Abdul_Mueid> yep
[11:54] <Abdul_Mueid> glibc is the only thing giving me trouble
[11:54] <Foodcoman> I tried once on windows, I thought it was neat, but thought why not just learn Gimp interface.
[11:55] <Foodcoman> I dont know Photoshop that well, so no loss for me.
[11:56] <Foodcoman> Ive noticed with Breezy I had to install older compiler and Libraries a bit.
[11:56] <Abdul_Mueid> where can I find deb packages for glibc?
[11:56] <crimsun> Abdul_Mueid: err...they're installed already.
[11:56] <Abdul_Mueid> I tried google with every possible query I can make up
[11:56] <crimsun> your system won't even function without libc6 installed
[11:57] <Abdul_Mueid> the installed libraries are 2.3.2
[11:57] <Abdul_Mueid> gimpshop requires 2.3.4
[11:57] <Abdul_Mueid> and I cant find debs for that
[11:57] <Abdul_Mueid> downloading source tar atm
[11:57] <crimsun> then dist-upgrade to breezy
[11:58] <Abdul_Mueid> I am OK with hoary at the moment, will wait for the final before I update
[11:58] <crimsun> I do _not_ recommend compiling glibc on your own
[11:58] <crimsun> you are liable to break stuff horribly if you use vanilla upstream, since we ship so many patches in our libc6
[11:58] <Abdul_Mueid> hmm...
[11:58] <Abdul_Mueid> so, what do u suggest?
[11:59] <crimsun> if you _must_ use gimpshop, dist-upgrade to breezy
[11:59] <crimsun> it's stable for daily use
[11:59] <crimsun> we're essentially in freeze mode
[11:59] <Foodcoman> Breezy has been pretty good to me so far!  Should improve each day right?
[11:59] <gdh> breezy is released in 3 weeks - very little changing now but translations and docs :)
[12:00] <nikki2> its a bit like choosing a windec that exactly mimics windows, IMO, it might look the same, but underneath, it still isn't remotely the same thing :)
[12:00] <gdh> and last minute 'please please please!' bigfuxes
[12:00] <gdh> haha, bugfuxes - Mr. Freud? :)
[12:00] <nikki2> gdh, worse, you said 'bigfuxes' !! :P
[12:01] <gdh> oh so I did! :D
[12:01] <gdh> oh dear =)
[12:01] <Foodcoman> MS would just call a bug a feature to make it OK!
[12:01] <nikki2> saturday night getting to you ? :)
[12:01] <Abdul_Mueid> crimsun: if I compile glibc, how many percent chances that it will work?
[12:01] <nikki2> gdh, i'm surprised i saw it, tbh, my eyesight is messed up - got an eye full of oil :/