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bradbkiko: yeah, don't make me guess :P12:03
kikoI don't know, maybe it's because of the orderBy bug we had in BugTaskSet, but it was minimal12:04
kikoand unrelated12:04
kikodid you make lint?12:05
kiko-        result = list(BugTracker.select())12:05
kiko+        btset = getUtility(IBugTrackerSet)12:05
kiko+        result = list(btset)12:05
kikowhy not add a select() there too?12:05
bradbI could have, yeah.12:06
kikofor consistency's sake12:06
kikoother than that r=kiko12:06
bradbkiko: re: make lint, no I often skip make lint because of two main things: 1. it doesn't work the way I want it to. make lint'ing between every commit just Takes Too Long (on top of all the software that already slows us down) and 2. it doesn't seem to understand interfaces. and a third one: I forget.12:08
kikohow can make lint be slow my god12:08
kikoit takes like 8s12:08
kikohow does it not understand interfaces?12:09
bradbmake lint'ing between every commit takes longer than 8 secs for me. it also implies that I've actually got to have lint-free code with *every* *local* *commit*. that's a pretty serious burden for me to assume.12:09
kikoit's actually good practice12:10
bradbkiko: it gives warnings about things that it wouldn't warn about if it understood what interfaces were12:10
kikosuch as?12:10
kikoI've fixed most of these12:10
bradbi don't recall, i don't run make lint usually :)12:10
kikoso stop strawmanning and RUN IT12:10
bradbkiko: seriously, it might sound nice to always local commit lint free code, but in practice, it's pain. pain pain pain.12:10
kikofunny 12:11
bradbstuart agree12:11
bradbs12:11
kikothat's not surprising12:11
kikobut you are not honestly giving it a shot12:11
kikoI'll explain12:11
kikoit usually catches programming errors in untested codepaths12:12
kikomore than once I've had it surprise me and I said "wow"12:12
kikoand unless you don't run baz status before committing (which is good practice)12:12
kikoit shouldn't take more than 8s12:12
kikoand if it does12:12
kikoyour next merge will take less Xs where X is T-8s12:12
bradbkiko: notice, i didn't complain about how long it takes to run make lint.12:13
bradbkiko: i may make local commits whenever i feel like it, e.g.12:13
kikoyou may, but it's not necessarily a good idea12:13
bradbstart of the day, i'm working on a somewhat biggish feature, i want to make sure there's no conflicts outstanding that might make my life even worse12:13
bradbso, i commit and then --star-merge to sort things out12:14
kikosure12:14
kikomake lint there won't hurt12:14
kikoand it particularly doesn't hurt before generating a diff for review12:15
kikoso when you send me a diff for review12:15
kikomake lint beforehand12:15
bradbargh. i'm running make lint on the branch you just reviewed right now and i'm WAITING.12:17
bradbi know why, baz status, etc. but that doesn't make it any sweeter12:17
bradbi know that i haven't forgotten to add any files, etc. on this branch. i'm willing to take the risk of committing without status'ing, in this particular case.12:17
bradbkiko: that's why i'd rather see make lint work after commits. that way i'll wait a long time, but at least it's just once, at the end, rather than for every single commit.12:18
bradband, i have to wait for that diff at the end anyway12:19
bradbsince we both make sure to read a diff before sending for code review, etc.12:19
bradb4m later, Ctrl-C time12:20
mptkiko: It might be worth having make lint run on the files changed from upstream, rather than the files changed from last commit12:20
mptand then bundling it with make check12:20
kikompt, yeah, stub wants me to do that12:21
kikobradb, baz status takes 4m on your box?12:21
bradbkiko: yeah, like a lot of people, baz is unbearably slow for me12:21
mptonly 4m!12:21
bradbmpt: I Ctrl-C'd :P12:21
mptah, cheater12:22
Lathiatis it possible to get a list of bugs i am subscribed to12:25
bradbLathiat: not yet, but i was about to do something like that last week12:25
bradbjbailey had mentioned something similar12:25
bradbneed to do some thinking about it though12:26
Lathiatalso https://launchpad.net/malone/bugs/1696/ shows the same person subscribed twice12:26
bradbLathiat: what were you trying to do right now?12:26
Lathiatbradb: well im subscribing to bugs im interested in, woudl be nice to be able to get a list 12:26
Lathiatalso if someone is assigned a bug, does the implictly make them "subscribed" or not?12:26
kikobradb, just a matter of exposing API to the person's bug page?12:26
bradbLathiat: would that include bugs for which you receive mail, but aren't "explicitly" subscribed to them?12:27
bradbLathiat: reporters are explicitly subscribed12:27
jbaileybradb: Of what do you accuse me now?12:27
bradbjbailey: just mentioned the "bugs i'm interested in report" again12:27
Lathiatbradb: well, it'd be nice to have a list of all bugs im related too12:28
Lathiatbradb: perhaps split up12:28
LathiatSubscribed12:28
Lathiat==12:28
LathiatReported12:28
LathiatAssigned12:28
Lathiatobviously we already have assigned12:28
Lathiatalso a view of all bugs accepted/assigned to a team your a member would be nice12:28
jbaileybradb: Cool. =)12:29
bradbLathiat: sure, i see what you mean; those kinds of goals are useful. i'll continue thinking about it while fixing other things.12:29
Lathiatalso, showing people on a bug who are "subscribed" (reporter, assigned to you?) in the subscribed bit would be nice, perhaps separated from the list of otherwise subscribed people12:30
Lathiatoh i see the reporter does show up12:30
Lathiatif your assigned to the bug does that implicitly subscribe you?12:31
bradbLathiat: yes12:32
Lathiatperhaps you shoudl show up in the list then too12:32
bradbi agree12:32
mptLathiat: That's what I meant before when I was talking about /people/yourself/+bugs -- a general list of "bugs you're involved with", linking to the more specialized lists12:34
Lathiatmpt: yep, that would be nice12:35
kikompt, that's a grand idea12:35
bradbright, i'll try and seek that in in the next few days12:36
Lathiatthanks! :)12:36
bradbsneak, even12:36
kikoyou sneaker12:36
kikobradb, so, are we set for the bike?12:37
kikothis is great news12:37
kikoI have a race 2005-11-2012:37
bradbi'll have to look into rentals, but i'm assuming it shouldn't be hard for me to find them in my 'hood12:37
bradbthe plateau is all bikes12:37
mptok, I'm going home to torture gnome-screensaver12:38
jbaileyTher'es a bike rental place down Mont Royale12:38
kikoroxor12:38
kikojbailey, and good bikes? I don't want no steenken huffy12:38
jbaileykiko: No idea.12:38
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bradbjbailey: there must be lots. i just picked up a sweet Rocky Mountain from pignon sur roues12:38
kikopignon sur roues!12:38
bradb(which is on Mont Royal)12:38
kikompt, if you run it on anthem with a nohup..12:39
kikoah, too late12:39
kikowhy should I download gaim?12:39
kikomy computer came with it pre-installed!12:39
bradbheh12:39
bradbjbailey: btw, there are two major linux events on both sides of UBZ. Expo TI and SQIL (i.e. Expo "IT" and la semaine qubcoise d'information libre)12:42
bradbi was being asked last night if Canonical (or something "Ubuntu", anyway) would be interested in representin' at expo ti12:43
Lathiatalso, is there a reason we dont have a 'needinfo' state ?12:43
Lathiatalso some method of marking something "confirmed"12:43
bradber, de l'info, not d'info, 'tous cas...12:44
bradbLathiat: i haven't yet been able to sell those to the sab12:44
Lathiati'll annoy him then ;)12:45
bradbLathiat: like you, we recognize how useful that state can be though12:45
Lathiatbecause there should be a way to say12:45
bradbLathiat: that might help :)12:45
Lathiata) 'yeh this is a bug, but im not accepting it yet'12:45
Lathiatand b) differentiate between 'no one has looked at this yet' and 'waiting for some more info'12:45
Lathiata 'confirmed' state might be better as some way of marking somethign as 'is a bug for me too' without makign a comment to that effect12:46
Lathiatbut needinfo should be a state imho12:46
bradbLathiat: yep, the goal is clearly useful, IMHO12:46
kikoand PQM rejects me too12:50
kikoFUCK YOU PQM12:50
bradbheh12:50
kikoin caps because I'm a manager12:51
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bradbkiko: are you going to review this From/Reply-To patch?12:59
bradbi'd rather not change the bugmail address tonight though, because it's going to break bugmail for people. can we revisit what the bugmail address should be next week?01:00
kikoyeah,sure01:00
kikoto both01:00
kikoyou've done lots of good work this month01:00
kikocongrats01:00
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kikowell, training our QA intern01:00
kikoto hack all over the tree01:00
bradbdirty little hacker01:02
kikoN *  49 Sep 16 Tommie Langley      ( 2.0K) increased organ mass01:02
kikoit says I will need to buy new pairs of pants01:02
bradbhm, worth pursuing01:03
bradb:P01:03
kikoyeah, apparently all-natural and even vegan-safe, jbailey 01:04
bradbkiko: for Reply-To: Foo Bar <bugaddress>, what value should "Foo Bar" be?01:06
kikocould be the person via Malone, perhaps01:06
bradbok, i was thinking the same01:06
kikojohan and I are thinking of starting a spam business01:09
kikowe have a good idea01:09
kikobasically we clean out spam lists of people who report spam to NANAE and spamcop and etc.01:09
kikothat way we can target only people who are safe to spa01:09
kikom01:09
kikocarlos is around!01:21
dilysMerge to rocketfuel@canonical.com/launchpad--devel--0: [r=kiko]  remove more dirty database imports (patch-2428: brad.bollenbach@canonical.com)01:25
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bradbkiko: you've got patchmail.01:44
bradbi have to step out for a while. bbl.01:44
bradber, maybe bbl, that is01:44
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dilysMerge to rocketfuel@canonical.com/launchpad--devel--0: [trivial]  Fix for bug 2296: Broken LInk (system error); the problem was that browser.pofile.POFileView.getPluralFormExpression was fragile. I moved the code to POHeader(), added tests and added an XXX to ensure we keep track of bugs (patch-2429: christian.reis@canonical.com)02:03
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sladenkiko-zzz: not sure how I got there.  It seems that /malone/projects should be a redirect to /projects since the some output appears there05:40
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jordikiko-zzz?12:34
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Luna-TickHello?01:37
Luna-TickWell... Just to get my suggestion out to some people who may care, I think it would be a huge advance to the Bounty system if one could 'piggy-back' onto a bounty and add more money to an existing donation. 01:39
Luna-TickWell done with Launchpad; I'm off.01:40
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mdkegood idea01:48
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SteveAhi02:37
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nkourhi guys03:02
nkouraccidentally I saw https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/breezy/+sources/gajim/+pots/gajim03:02
nkournow this is translators for 0.8. 0.8 has French 100% and all the rest of the langugaes there (apart from swedish)03:03
nkourFrench   253   253 66.36 percent new, 33.64 percent untranslated    2005-09-16   Nicolas Velin03:03
nkournow that guy is just wasting his time as Fr is 100%. can you fix that please?03:04
nkourand import the pos from the tarball of 0.8.2 ?03:04
nkourOR at least https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/breezy/+sources/gajim/+pots/gajim/+edit set text as DO NOT TRANSLATE03:04
nkourit's your community but who would like to be in the position of Nicolas?03:05
SteveAhi nkour 03:05
SteveAi'll forward what you said to the rosetta guys03:05
nkourhi SteveA  at last03:05
SteveAthey'll probably be relaxing at the weekend03:05
nkouryes also  Ricardo Prez Lpez wasted 8 hours of his time I guess03:06
nkourhe could also relax03:06
nkouror spent his time and efforst in a project that needed spanish03:06
nkourwe laready have spanish03:06
nkourSteveA, can you set DO NOT TRANLSATE in desc?03:07
mdkenkour, the best idea would be to send an email describing the problem to the rosetta mailing list, it is rosetta-users@lists.ubuntu.com03:07
mdkethey can help03:08
SteveAthat's a good idea.  it is good to make these issues known on the mailing list. i'll also forward this directly to the rosetta developers.03:08
nkourok is there a global i18n ML?03:10
nkourwhere  I could provide the po so the guys that have rights (I do not have rights in my own project!!!) upload the po?03:10
SteveArosetta-users@lists.ubuntu.com03:10
SteveAthat's the place to talk about these issues.  you can also talk to carlos or jordi here03:11
nkourjordi, ping03:11
SteveAcarlos is just returning from vacation, so i don't think he'll be around until monday03:11
nkourSteveA, ok03:11
SteveAhttp://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/rosetta-users03:11
mdkenkour, they both check that mailing list, so just email there and you will get a response03:13
nkourmdke, k03:16
nkourmdke, SteveA can I post without sub?03:16
mdkeno03:16
jordinkour: hello03:17
jordinkour: strange, the guy who gave us gajim files said those were the latest.03:17
SteveAhiya jordi03:17
jordinkour: there's a few things we can do (besides uploading your new files):03:18
jordiyou can tell gajim translators that the files are in rosetta now and welcome them to use it03:18
jordiie, taking over the product and taking care of uploading up to date po files everytime you do a release or whatever03:19
jordior you can tell the rosetta translators to do their translators wherever you want03:19
jordiwe don't want to force upstreams into using rosetta03:19
nkourjordi, they are from svn, but 0.8 is another link03:19
nkourjordi, ok the problem is this. 0.8 lacks pos we have in tarball03:20
jordinkour: do you have a 0.8 branch at all in CVS?03:21
jordiSteveA: can we easily get rid of branches?03:22
nkourjordi, yes 0.8.2 branch but I thought you get it from tarball03:22
nkourhttps://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/breezy/+sources/gajim/+pots/gajim IS BAAAD03:22
nkourand https://launchpad.net/products/gajim/+series/main/+pots/gajim is better but I would like to press a button and to upload which po I like when we strings freeze svn03:23
nkoursvn trunk*03:23
jordinkour: I see. Are you the author of gajim?03:24
nkoureg. upload manually /only/ the pos I like etc.. atm it seems to get from svn POT/po (or at least I hope that it does so)03:24
nkourjordi, yes I'm one of the devs03:24
jordinkour: would you like to become the owner or gajim in launchpad so you can manage this stuff yourself?03:24
nkourjordi, the problem is this. I cannot force all ppl to use rosetta03:24
nkourjordi, yessssssss!03:24
jordiyou'd be able to upload updated files whenever you think it's convenient03:24
nkouryes exactly03:24
jordiSteveA: can you help me with that?03:24
SteveAjordi: i'll take a look03:26
jordinkour: wait, I see gajim is already owned by "gajim-devs", which is owned by Christian Bjalevik03:26
nkourjordi, yes Nufallo, can he pass me ownership?03:26
nkourI'm in that team but not as owner03:26
nkourjordi, if that happens it's great. so I can put desc WHAT languages are mantaing outside of rossetta (I cannot force all ppl to use that) and upload the POT and po that need update and accept new langs normally03:27
jordiSteveA: so the product is owned by the team, and the team owned by this other guy, but nkour is in the team as an admin. Shouldn't he be able to modify the gajim product at will?03:27
SteveAif you're in the team that is the owner, then you can do all sorts of stuff03:28
SteveAyou don't need to be an admin of that team even03:28
jordiSteveA: and can this product be assigned to a gajim-devs for translation? ie, only people in that team can translate?03:29
jordiat least, ubuntu translators should be assigned.03:29
jordiright now it's completely open03:30
nkourjordi, yes we wnat that03:30
nkourhttps://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/breezy/+sources/gajim/+pots/gajim/+edit I'm owner but I get perm denied03:30
SteveAi don't know how this part of rosetta teams works.  i'd rather get carlos to sort that out, then try to guess how it is supposed to be.03:30
jordiSteveA: ok03:31
jordinkour: can you wait until monday for this?03:31
jordiit seems christian did something wrong when registering gajim and added that rogue 0.8 series.03:31
nkourjordi, can you remove gajim project from LP?03:34
nkourso I can readd03:34
jordinkour: possibly not, as it's a package in ubuntu and I think it was created automatically.03:35
jordinkour: if you go to https://launchpad.net/products/gajim/+changetranslators can you do anything?03:35
nkourjordi, yes I can but only GNOME/PLONE/Ubu03:36
jordiok. that's a start. Can you for now set it to "ubuntu" and close it?03:37
jordihttps://launchpad.net/products/gajim/+edit can you do anything here?03:37
nkourjordi, yes I can but it seems i have to use GNOME/PLONE/UBu transla group03:39
jordinkour: yes, thats' for now, until we really fix this when carlos is back on Monday.03:40
nkourjordi, can you remove the svn version and 0.8 version from rosetta and let the ubu package recatch and recreate the entry?03:40
jordiThis will minimise damage.03:40
jordinkour: carlos has to do that, I have no perms03:40
nkourjordi, ok then I Have ubu and closed and at least I do not see ppl losing time for nothing03:41
nkourhopefully*03:41
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jordinkour: yeah03:41
nkourjordi, thanks a lot03:42
nkourI'll ping carlos03:42
nkourjordi, if both version are removed and deb gets it from 0.8.2 is it ok then? 0.9 deb will make 0.9 branch in rosetta too?03:43
jordinkour: can you access the https://launchpad.net/products/gajim/+edit ?03:43
nkourjordi, yes nothing useful there03:43
jordinope. The "package" pot is always what Ubuntu has. If you want to track newer CVS/SVN versions, you attach them to the series, and you can update that by hand whenever you like (ie, a week before a release, etc)03:44
nkourok03:44
nkourI will do that for 0.9 once we freeze strings. which is not the case so I'll ping caros. in that page you said I can edit but nothing importnat there03:45
jordihttps://launchpad.net/products/gajim03:45
jordihave a look now03:45
jordinkour: what you should do: change the description of the HEAD branch and make it clear people should translate from ther.e03:46
jordithen upload a tar.gz with the current po and pot files (if you don't know how or have problems, please tell me)03:46
jordinkour: see https://launchpad.net/products/gajim/+series/main/+pots/gajim/ I added a note.03:48
jordiYou can edit it if you want to make it better.03:48
jordiFor now, that should help.03:49
nkourok you did [DEPRECATED] 03:49
nkourjordi, I think there is a script that runs everyday to get POT/PO from svn. can you stop that?03:50
nkourbecause if such script runs it overwrites work in LP03:55
nkourI would prefer the scenario you said. update which pot/po I like whenever I like (eg. on strings freeze which is more logic)03:55
nkourjordi, https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/breezy/+sources/gajim/+pots/gajim/+edit add HERE that YOU SHOULD NOT TRANLSATE that03:57
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jordiI added another note.04:01
jordiregarding a script, I think you mean the stuff that updates what's in ubuntu into rosetta.04:01
jordiI can't stop that, we can promote the ranslation of HEAD over that one though.04:02
nkourjordi, no the desc you added is not good. because I do not know why but we have 11 pos IN the tarball and LP only lists 204:03
jordihmm, it must be outdated.04:04
nkourjordi, please say: "Do not work on this page at all. See HEAD"04:04
jordihttps://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/breezy/+sources/gajim/+pots/gajim/+upload04:04
nkourorry, you don't have permission to access this page.04:04
nkourYou are logged in as Nikos Kouremenos. 04:04
jordiif you upload a tar.gz with the updated files (including pot), you should be ok04:04
jordifuck04:04
nkourif you say fuck, imagine what I should say04:05
jordiif you can prepare me such a tarball, I'll do it for you04:05
nkour:)04:05
jordiheh04:05
nkouryou want pot and po listed how in the tar.gz?04:05
nkourI do not understand why I do not have perm there04:06
nkourjordi, http://trac.gajim.org/browser/branches/gajim_0.8.2/po/ /me goes to buy a pizza to eat04:07
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nkourjordi, any progress?06:06
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jordinkour: nope, I've been busy at home06:37
nkourjordi, k06:38
Kinnisonciao06:45
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jordinkour: I think it's done now.07:47
nkourjordi, wait to c07:47
nkourjordi, https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/breezy/+sources/gajim/+pots/gajim I see nothing new07:48
nkourapart from yet another guy who lost his time07:48
nkouradl (german)07:48
mdkejordi, that persian rtl problem seems to be real: i sent him the xml file and it doesn't work09:05
mdkesivang, you around by any chance?09:08
jordimdke: I have no experience with that :(09:22
jordihmm, danilo didn't reply.09:22
jordinkour: can't do anything about that German guy. Bad timing, he did his work at the same time as we were fixing it.09:28
jordinkour: if any file is missing please tell me. I think everything is correct though.09:29
jordiI'm leaving.09:30
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bob2can someone make an adobe acrobat product so I can file a critical bug asking for it to be removed from ubuntu?10:01
Nafallobob2: hilarious ;-)10:04
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KinnisonHey dudes10:20
bob2hey kinnison10:20
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cogumbreirolo all10:41
cogumbreiroi'm serpentine's upstream, I would like to know how can I edit its values on launchpad10:42
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Kinnisoncogumbreiro: which values were you meaning?10:56
KinnisonDo you mean the product entry?10:58
KinnisonIf so, what is your launchpad ID so I can reassign it to you?10:58
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cogumbreirocool, it's cogumbreiro@users.sf.net10:59
Kinnisonnaah, what comes in /people/<FOO> ?10:59
cogumbreiroah sorry10:59
cogumbreiroprolly cogumbreiro, let me check10:59
Kinnisonyep11:00
cogumbreiroyeah ;)11:00
KinnisonAny way to prove to me that you are the right person?11:00
Kinnison(and not someone masquerading as tiago)11:00
cogumbreirohttp://s1x.homelinux.net/projects/serpentine11:00
cogumbreirolol, how do i prove it? :)11:01
KinnisonCan you stuff some obvious message on there for a sec? E.g. "Hi Kinnison" or something11:01
cogumbreirook, on a comment :)11:02
cogumbreirowait a sec11:02
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cogumbreiroKinnison: i'm going to post an entry on my blog about launchpad, wait a few secs11:03
Kinnisonokay, say when you've done it11:05
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cogumbreiroKinnison: http://s1x.homelinux.net/node/129 if you view its source you'll notice that I've put a HTML comment saying <!--waves at Kinnison--> right on the end of the post11:08
Kinnisonlooks good to me11:08
Kinnisonassigned11:09
KinnisonI hope you enjoy your launchpad experience </marketing>11:09
Kinnison:-)11:09
cogumbreiroehehe11:11
sivangmdke: now I am, what's up?11:11
sivangKinnison: yo -)11:11
cogumbreirofirst I have to learn how to used it and how to benefit from it, the thing that's most appealling is rosetta11:12
Kinnisonheyhi sivan.11:12
sivangjordi: I see you and mdke looked for me?11:12
segfaultsystem error trying to open this url: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/hoary/+sources/update-notifier/+pots/update-notifier/pt_BR/+translate11:12
Kinnisoncogumbreiro: jordi is a rosetta dude. You should talk to him :-)11:13
Kinnisonsegfault: odd, looks like a double conversion issue. Dunno how to fix that without a rosetta developer, sorry :-(11:14
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HWolfGuys, can I offer a suggestion for Rosetta?11:15
KinnisonYes, although it might be better mailed to the rosetta mailing list11:18
Kinnison(Since the rosetta dev team aren't here right now :-)11:18
KinnisonOr you can file a bug on rosetta in malone11:18
Kinnison:-)11:18
HWolfKinnison, I need the searchengine to find a specific string in Rosetta, so that I can quickly adjust translations that honestly make me sick. :P11:19
Kinnisonfile a bug, detailing the functionality you want, how you'd see it fitting in, and why you think it's worthwhile11:20
Kinnisonthat's the best way11:20
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Kinnisonbut I'm not on rosetta :-)11:20
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