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| robotgeek | hi..question. what do i do with stuff like this. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BrianWiese | 04:38 |
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| robotgeek | found it in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/VimSyntaxHighlighting/talk | 04:40 |
| ajmitch | looks like a personal page | 04:40 |
| ajmitch | so leave it | 04:40 |
| robotgeek | okay. looking to make a vim page with all vim links in it | 04:40 |
| ajmitch | I guess it shouldn't be a subpage of that | 04:41 |
| ajmitch | so reparent? | 04:41 |
| robotgeek | i dunno why it's there in the first place. | 04:42 |
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| Burglaptop | mpt, ping | 06:52 |
| Madpilot | hi Burglaptop | 06:54 |
| Burglaptop | salut Madpilot | 06:58 |
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| Burglaptop | bonsoir robitaille | 07:33 |
| robitaille | hey Burglaptop! | 07:34 |
| === robitaille is scanning the hundred of bug report changes that have occured in the last 24 hours... | ||
| ajmitch | robitaille: quite a few, aren't there? :) | 07:35 |
| robitaille | it's a good thing | 07:35 |
| ajmitch | yep | 07:40 |
| ajmitch | thanks for writing up that announcement to make it possible :) | 07:40 |
| robitaille | no problem. | 07:40 |
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| Burglaptop | rob^, can I suggest a quick change to the faqguide? we can remove totem-xine for the list of things to install. Gstreamer appears to work. | 08:01 |
| Burglaptop | rob^, and totem-xine simply means that they have to get w32codecs | 08:02 |
| robitaille | I discovered this week that installing gstreamer0.8-plugins gstreamer0.8-plugins-multiverse allowed me to play some things in totem that I could play previously using w32codecs | 08:04 |
| Burglaptop | yes, I just discovered that too | 08:05 |
| Burglaptop | .mpg and the trailers from trailers.apple | 08:05 |
| Burglaptop | I think gstreamer is now as complete as xine | 08:05 |
| Burglaptop | but I have no sound with the totem plugin | 08:06 |
| robitaille | haven't tried the plugins; I was testing it using a the stand-alone client. let me try one | 08:07 |
| robitaille | same here; no sounds on one of the apple trailer using the plugin | 08:09 |
| Burglaptop | hmm | 08:10 |
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| robitaille | Burglaptop, using totem-xine results in no image and no sounds using the plugin inb the trailers.apple site. So I guess gstreamer is 50% better; but not perfect. | 08:22 |
| Burglaptop | robitaille, you need w32codecs | 08:35 |
| robitaille | yeah I guess. the point of the exercise in my mind was to try to find a way away from installing w32codecs. for the amount of multimedia I do, I'll stick with gstreamer. But for users in general, I guess you still have to suggest using totem-xine since it still works better | 08:37 |
| Burglaptop | yes, but we also tell the user to install all the gstreamer stuff | 08:40 |
| rob^ | hi, whats that? | 08:43 |
| rob^ | at the moment the list is: | 08:45 |
| rob^ | Libraries (multiverse) > gstreamer0.8-plugins-multiverse | 08:45 |
| rob^ | Libraries (universe) > gstreamer0.8-plugins | 08:45 |
| rob^ | Libraries (universe) > gstreamer0.8-ffmpeg | 08:45 |
| rob^ | Libraries (universe) > gstreamer0.8-mad | 08:45 |
| rob^ | Multimedia > vorbis-tools | 08:45 |
| rob^ | Multimedia (multiverse) > lame | 08:45 |
| rob^ | Multimedia (multiverse) > faad | 08:45 |
| rob^ | Multimedia (multiverse) > gstreamer0.8-lame | 08:46 |
| rob^ | Multimedia (universe) > sox | 08:46 |
| rob^ | Graphics (multiverse) > mjpegtools | 08:46 |
| rob^ | Graphics (universe) > ffmpeg | 08:46 |
| rob^ | GNOME Desktop Enviroment (universe) > totem-xine | 08:46 |
| rob^ | (sorry for the paste!) | 08:46 |
| rob^ | so you want to remove totem-xine? does video now play smoothly without it? | 08:47 |
| rob^ | brb | 08:49 |
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| Burglaptop | rob^, we install totem-xine, which doesn't use all the gstreamer plugins we just installed | 08:54 |
| Burglaptop | let me get you a patch | 08:54 |
| Burglaptop | rob^, I forgot to review it | 08:55 |
| Burglaptop | we should only need to install 3 things | 08:55 |
| rob^ | true, but one day we will use all the gstreamer stuff, it just doesn't work all that well yet | 08:55 |
| Burglaptop | rob^, it actually does on fresh installs | 08:55 |
| rob^ | unless something has changed again lately | 08:55 |
| Burglaptop | rob^, robitaille and I were just testing it | 08:55 |
| rob^ | what about totem-gstreamer? | 08:56 |
| Burglaptop | that is what we were just testing | 08:56 |
| rob^ | thats the default right? does it work well/smooth? | 08:56 |
| robotgeek | i tried both totem-gstreamer/totem-xine. totem-xine works better | 08:56 |
| rob^ | I wonder how that will affect translations though | 08:56 |
| Burglaptop | rob^, yes, gstreamer is the default | 08:56 |
| rob^ | last time I checked it was painfully slow | 08:57 |
| Burglaptop | robotgeek, -gstreamer has made great strides in breezy | 08:57 |
| robotgeek | Burglaptop: doesn't rhythmbox use gstreamer? it skips while playing an mp3 :( | 08:57 |
| robitaille | personally I findgstreamer is still a bit on the slow side on my laptop | 08:57 |
| Burglaptop | robotgeek, yes it does | 08:58 |
| rob^ | yeah, I get a bit of choppyness with rhythmbox when my system is under a little bit of load | 08:58 |
| Burglaptop | yes, but gstreamer is only patent illegal, not copyright illegal as well, ala w32codecs | 08:58 |
| Burglaptop | and multiverse is easier to add than hoary-extras | 08:59 |
| rob^ | I wish there was a better way then w32codecs, but I fail to see one | 08:59 |
| Burglaptop | it appears to me that there is | 09:00 |
| rob^ | does gstreamer support everything that w32codecs does? | 09:00 |
| Burglaptop | should, with multiverse plugins | 09:00 |
| robitaille | Burglaptop, I'm all for suggesting to use gstreamer, but my test earlier on trailers.apple didn't produce any sounds for the trailer I was looking at using only stuff from multiverse | 09:00 |
| === rob^ can see some translators getting really pissy if we go and change things though | ||
| robitaille | it's a bit late in the game to make that switch, isn't it? | 09:01 |
| Burglaptop | robitaille, that is likely a totem bug, not a specific gstreamer one | 09:01 |
| Burglaptop | rob^, that is my bad, I forgot to review it throughly for saneness | 09:01 |
| robitaille | Burglaptop, or a missing codec in multiverse for the audio track of these trailers | 09:02 |
| Burglaptop | unlikely | 09:03 |
| Burglaptop | let me test by downloading | 09:04 |
| robotgeek | unfortunately, can't help u guys here..i am on ppc | 09:04 |
| robitaille | I have faced very recently 2 videos that were only video, no audio, due to codecs issues. one was solved by using vlc, the other by using w32codecs | 09:04 |
| rob^ | got a url for that apple movie that was causing problems? | 09:04 |
| robitaille | http://trailers.apple.com/trailers/newline/the_man/theMan240.html | 09:05 |
| rob^ | yeah it runs ok with w32codecs and totem-xine | 09:06 |
| robitaille | but I got no sounds using totem-gstreamer will all the multiverse plugins installed. | 09:07 |
| Burglaptop | ok, fails to play | 09:08 |
| Burglaptop | hmm | 09:08 |
| Burglaptop | but we should cleanup the installation stuff | 09:08 |
| rob^ | yeah, same looks like its no good | 09:08 |
| Burglaptop | we only need to install 3 things | 09:08 |
| Burglaptop | sox and the non gstreamer stuff can die | 09:09 |
| rob^ | nah | 09:09 |
| rob^ | you still need lame, faad and others for stuff | 09:10 |
| rob^ | ffmpeg | 09:10 |
| Burglaptop | you do, but gstreamer0.8-plugins-multiverse will get all that for you | 09:10 |
| rob^ | about the only one that could die is sox | 09:10 |
| Burglaptop | and -plugins will get the stuff from universe | 09:10 |
| rob^ | not everything uses gstreamer that needs those packages though | 09:10 |
| Burglaptop | and -ffmpeg, because that isn | 09:10 |
| Burglaptop | 't in the other three | 09:11 |
| rob^ | Multimedia (multiverse) > lame | 09:11 |
| rob^ | Multimedia (multiverse) > faad | 09:11 |
| rob^ | these ones I mean | 09:11 |
| Burglaptop | those ones will come with -plugins-multiverse | 09:11 |
| Burglaptop | trust me | 09:11 |
| rob^ | I know there are gstreamer ones, but they suck | 09:11 |
| Burglaptop | the gstreamer ones use lame and fadd | 09:11 |
| Burglaptop | they are just wrappers around the existing code | 09:12 |
| rob^ | grr multimedia sucks on linux doesn't it? | 09:12 |
| Burglaptop | yes | 09:12 |
| robotgeek | on ppc, very much :( | 09:12 |
| rob^ | it would be nice if you could just install a package called "codecs" and everything is done for you | 09:12 |
| robitaille | Burglaptop, gstreamer0.8-ffmpeg is not included in gstreamer0.8-plugins ... | 09:13 |
| Burglaptop | rob^, you almost can | 09:13 |
| Burglaptop | robitaille, yes I know | 09:13 |
| Burglaptop | rob^, you only need 3 meta packages | 09:13 |
| rob^ | hang on, let me try removing w32codecs and just using gstreamer | 09:14 |
| rob^ | I removed everything without gstreamer next to it except totem-xine | 09:18 |
| Burglaptop | you need totem-gstreamer and those plugin packages, plug ffmpeg | 09:19 |
| rob^ | Ok, so I removed lame faad ffmpeg sox mjpegtools vorbis-tools and w32codecs, but not totem-xine | 09:20 |
| rob^ | that apple trailer plays but without sound | 09:20 |
| Burglaptop | ok | 09:21 |
| rob^ | if I remove totem-xine and install totem-gstreamer, it doesn't play at all | 09:21 |
| rob^ | so we at least need w32codecs for quicktime | 09:22 |
| rob^ | and totem-xine because the gstreamer one sucks | 09:23 |
| robitaille | did you noticed a difference in speed between totem-xine and totem-gstreamer? | 09:23 |
| rob^ | robitaille, yes, one works one doesnt | 09:24 |
| rob^ | :) | 09:24 |
| rob^ | does dvdrip use gstreamer yet? | 09:25 |
| === rob^ takes a look, it doesn't depend on any of that anyway | ||
| robitaille | rob^, totem-gstreamer worked for me but no sounds; and video seemed a bit slow. | 09:26 |
| rob^ | it does suggest mjpegtools though | 09:26 |
| rob^ | well, I say we leave it, currently its the best working option if the user installs w32codecs and even if they dont | 09:27 |
| rob^ | we just need to make sure RestrictedFormats on the wiki is up to scratch and easy to follow | 09:28 |
| rob^ | for w32codecs anywya | 09:28 |
| rob^ | s/anywya/anyway | 09:28 |
| rob^ | ok, bbl | 09:30 |
| rob^ | grr downloader for X still isn't working | 09:35 |
| ajmitch | rob^: can you give more info on malone #2340? | 09:40 |
| ajmitch | since it looks like it was apache that failed, rather than anything in your report :) | 09:40 |
| Burglaptop | rob^, hopefully dapper will solve much of this | 09:41 |
| Burglaptop | night all | 09:41 |
| rob^ | http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2340 | 09:41 |
| rob^ | ajmitch, on that one? | 09:41 |
| ajmitch | malone | 09:42 |
| rob^ | grr I wish we just used one bts | 09:43 |
| ajmitch | we will | 09:43 |
| robitaille | rob^, I have tried 2340, and it works fine now. | 09:43 |
| rob^ | I did it yesterday | 09:43 |
| rob^ | I ended up getting it working by just running the apt-get again | 09:45 |
| ajmitch | ok | 09:45 |
| rob^ | I think its just because things are not configured in the right order | 09:45 |
| robitaille | humm...but I have apache2 already installed on my machine. installing usermin worked for me on the 1st try | 09:45 |
| rob^ | anyone know where I can find some information on yelp? | 09:58 |
| robitaille | yelp yelp :) | 09:58 |
| === robitaille is tired and making bad jokes... | ||
| robitaille | http://directory.fsf.org/text/doc/yelp.html points to some urls, but notihng obvious documentation-wise | 10:00 |
| rob^ | there is a couple of bounties on the gnome web site at the bottom of this page: http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2340 | 10:01 |
| rob^ | grr | 10:01 |
| rob^ | http://www.gnome.org/bounties/Documentation.html | 10:01 |
| rob^ | that page | 10:01 |
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| rob^ | :-* | 10:12 |
| rob^ | hmm, gaim and irc.. | 10:12 |
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| mdke | morning all | 10:43 |
| Madpilot | hi mdke | 10:43 |
| robotgeek | hi mdke Madpilot | 10:43 |
| rob^ | hello | 10:44 |
| mdke | hi there | 10:44 |
| mdke | rob^, how is your translation of the faqguide going? | 10:44 |
| rob^ | well, I've kind of come to the conclusion that seeing as I'm an aussie and I understand everything there, it doesn't really need translating into AU english | 10:45 |
| robotgeek | makes sense to me | 10:45 |
| rob^ | I noticed the same thing on evolution also | 10:45 |
| Madpilot | rob^: so you'll just add "G'day, mate!" to the top, and call it translated into AU_en? ;) | 10:45 |
| === mdke nods | ||
| rob^ | heh yeah, I was thinking of pulling out an aussie slang dictionary out.. | 10:46 |
| Madpilot | ... and I'll add "eh?" to the end of every 2nd sentance, and call it translated into CA_en... ;) | 10:46 |
| rob^ | might of been humourous | 10:46 |
| rob^ | haha | 10:46 |
| mdke | has anyone noticed that there is no option in nautilus to have the address bar there for browser mode? | 10:46 |
| mdke | i hate the way that gnome always have to bugger something up for every release | 10:47 |
| rob^ | there is a "places" bar | 10:47 |
| Madpilot | actually, maybe I'll thrash out a "Canadian translation" for the UBZ folks... | 10:47 |
| rob^ | haha | 10:47 |
| rob^ | I wish I was going :( | 10:47 |
| mdke | rob^, yes, and you can get the address with go->location but you can't set it to always show up like that, unless you edit a gconf key | 10:48 |
| rob^ | mdke, ah yeah I see | 10:48 |
| rob^ | I tend to use the xterm for everything, so never really noticed | 10:48 |
| mdke | i use nautilus a lot | 10:49 |
| rob^ | why the heck did they remove it? | 10:49 |
| Madpilot | the Gnome "Open File" dialogue box already used buttons, so Nautilus has been changed to match, I think | 10:50 |
| mdke | rob^, cos they suck | 10:50 |
| rob^ | Madpilot, pretty much | 10:50 |
| rob^ | mdke, yep | 10:50 |
| rob^ | I think I've found a solution to having svn access at work | 10:51 |
| mdke | use linux? | 10:51 |
| rob^ | hehe apart from that | 10:51 |
| Madpilot | I sort of like the buttons; fastest way to move up a directory tree. Not sure how I'm going to like them in Naut, though... (not running Breezy yet...) | 10:51 |
| rob^ | I'm talking a solution that uses an nt4 box without installing anything | 10:51 |
| rob^ | I got webmin going on my home box and pointed a domain name I own at it | 10:52 |
| rob^ | It was a bit painful, but I now have buttons in webmin that do "svn up", "svn commit" and stuff | 10:53 |
| mdke | heh cool | 10:53 |
| mdke | i guess you could just use putty dude | 10:53 |
| rob^ | nah, basted firewall | 10:53 |
| mdke | run an ssh server on a different port? | 10:53 |
| rob^ | I was thinking of using some tunneling software to get out, but this method doesn't break any work IT policies | 10:54 |
| mdke | ah | 10:54 |
| rob^ | nah, all ports are ssh/telnet blocked | 10:54 |
| mdke | jeez | 10:54 |
| mdke | i'm starting a new job next week | 10:54 |
| mdke | i ran em up, to ask about computer compatibility and the guy was chuffed when he heard that I ran linux | 10:55 |
| mdke | i was worried I might have to install windows :) | 10:55 |
| rob^ | I was going to tunnel over ICMP or DNS, but I don't know how I would explain all that traffic | 10:55 |
| mdke | heh | 10:55 |
| Madpilot | rob^: where do you work that's so locked down? | 10:55 |
| rob^ | err | 10:56 |
| mdke | that's classified | 10:56 |
| mdke | he'd have to kill you | 10:56 |
| rob^ | hehe | 10:56 |
| === rob^ tippytoes around that one | ||
| Madpilot | heh. never mind, then... | 10:56 |
| mdke | he works for microsoft | 10:56 |
| rob^ | yeah, thats it | 10:56 |
| rob^ | we still use nt4 | 10:56 |
| mdke | man that faqguide is gonna take a while to translate | 10:57 |
| rob^ | we distribute xp for all the suckers | 10:57 |
| rob^ | yeah | 10:57 |
| Madpilot | a friend figures NT4 is the only stable OS Redmond ever managed to produce... :| | 10:58 |
| rob^ | Burgundavia wanted to make some changes before, I was like: I dunno about that | 10:58 |
| mdke | to XP? | 10:58 |
| rob^ | yeah nt4 is so secure, only because of it so old and new worms etc don't work on it :) | 10:59 |
| rob^ | umm great english that | 10:59 |
| Madpilot | like Win98 is "secure" these days... | 10:59 |
| rob^ | check out the list of breezy badger translations https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/breezy/+translations | 11:00 |
| rob^ | a while to go yet! | 11:00 |
| rob^ | hehe: Release Date: | 11:00 |
| rob^ | When it's done. | 11:00 |
| mdke | hmm | 11:01 |
| mdke | my touchpad is crazy | 11:01 |
| mdke | i turned the sensitivity down to minimum in the mouse preferences, and it is still flying around the screen | 11:01 |
| === mdke goes off to bugzilla | ||
| robotgeek | mdke: maybe u need to do some think in your xorg | 11:02 |
| mdke | robotgeek, i don't play with configuration | 11:02 |
| mdke | if it doesn't work out of the box, it's a bug | 11:02 |
| robotgeek | mdke: :) | 11:02 |
| robotgeek | makes sense | 11:03 |
| Madpilot | there's a translation project into Old English? um... OK... | 11:03 |
| rob^ | hehe | 11:03 |
| rob^ | ouch | 11:03 |
| mdke | awesome! | 11:03 |
| Madpilot | Esperanto, too... | 11:04 |
| rob^ | and ye click ye olde OK button | 11:04 |
| robotgeek | klingon? | 11:05 |
| rob^ | robotgeek, yes | 11:05 |
| robotgeek | i know it's there...crazy! | 11:05 |
| Madpilot | yeah, Klingon too... | 11:05 |
| rob^ | only for tuxpaint though | 11:06 |
| rob^ | https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/breezy/+lang/tlh | 11:06 |
| Madpilot | no Tolkien Elvish languages, though... | 11:06 |
| Madpilot | artist Klingons, evidently... | 11:06 |
| rob^ | yes | 11:06 |
| mdke | lol | 11:07 |
| mdke | the sensitive klingons | 11:07 |
| rob^ | dam I have never even heard of half of thouse languages | 11:07 |
| rob^ | those* | 11:08 |
| rob^ | dam rsi | 11:08 |
| Madpilot | 6 varieties of Spanish; 4 of Chinese; 3 of Arabic; 5 of English (plus Old English)... wow. | 11:08 |
| mdke | Madpilot, i have to say, i think it's a waste of people's time to translate into variations of English | 11:09 |
| Madpilot | yeah. Even Australians can be understood, with a bit of effort! ;) | 11:09 |
| mdke | i've never had a problem understanding US or AU or whatever | 11:09 |
| mdke | omg | 11:10 |
| mdke | i forgot to gloat about the Ashes to rob^ | 11:10 |
| === mdke gloats | ||
| rob^ | omg someone has translated the bible into klingon too | 11:10 |
| rob^ | yeah.. go to hell :P | 11:10 |
| mdke | :) | 11:10 |
| Madpilot | rob^: Shakespeare, too, I've heard | 11:11 |
| Madpilot | what is "Interlingua"? Another artificial lang. like Esperanto? | 11:12 |
| Madpilot | it's a constructed language - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interlingua | 11:15 |
| Madpilot | interesting | 11:15 |
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| rob^ | grr the klingons have no word for "pink" | 11:16 |
| Madpilot | why am I not surprised? It's just not a very Klingon colour... | 11:17 |
| ajmitch | rob^: that matters? :) | 11:17 |
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| Madpilot | night all - it's 0215 here, need sleep - working Saturdays bites.... | 11:18 |
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| jsgotangco | Burgundavia: are you already awake? | 02:48 |
| mdke | hi jsgotangco | 03:27 |
| rob^ | mdke, do you know whats going on with the xincludes in the faq guide? | 03:27 |
| mdke | no idea | 03:27 |
| rob^ | the faq guide doesn't build properly using the scripts | 03:28 |
| jsgotangco | hi | 03:28 |
| rob^ | it just puts the tags in | 03:28 |
| jsgotangco | darn im so tired | 03:35 |
| jsgotangco | i hvaen't been doing anything productive for the docteam | 03:35 |
| jsgotangco | these talks are just punishing to the health | 03:35 |
| jsgotangco | im going to take a rest first | 03:36 |
| jsgotangco | brb | 03:36 |
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| rob^ | jbailey, is it too early to get a docs package released in Breezy that works properly (registed in) in yelp? | 04:11 |
| rob^ | registered.. brr its cold here tonight! | 04:12 |
| rob^ | umm even if it only contains the english version of the FAQ guide for now? | 04:13 |
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| jbailey | rob^: No, I've just been lagged. It's on my todo for this weekend. | 04:23 |
| jbailey | I'm just trying to motivate myself to do work things right now. | 04:23 |
| rob^ | ah ok sounds good, I just wanted to see it in action (how exciting!) | 04:23 |
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| rob^ | Burgundavia, you there? | 04:58 |
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| dholbach | hellas | 07:40 |
| dholbach | is gnome-bittorrent featured somewhere? | 07:40 |
| dholbach | in the docs? | 07:40 |
| dholbach | i'd like to change the menu entry for it | 07:40 |
| dholbach | to say "BitTorrent" instead of "GNOME BitTorrent" | 07:41 |
| dholbach | you think that 'll be a problem? | 07:41 |
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| dholbach | i'm off - see you guys | 10:36 |
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