[04:38] <robotgeek> hi..question. what do i do with stuff like this. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BrianWiese
[04:40] <robotgeek> found it in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/VimSyntaxHighlighting/talk
[04:40] <ajmitch> looks like a personal page
[04:40] <ajmitch> so leave it
[04:40] <robotgeek> okay. looking to make a vim page with all vim links in it
[04:41] <ajmitch> I guess it shouldn't be a subpage of that
[04:41] <ajmitch> so reparent?
[04:42] <robotgeek> i dunno why it's there in the first place. 
[06:52] <Burglaptop> mpt, ping
[06:54] <Madpilot> hi Burglaptop
[06:58] <Burglaptop> salut Madpilot 
[07:33] <Burglaptop> bonsoir robitaille 
[07:34] <robitaille> hey Burglaptop!
[07:35] <ajmitch> robitaille: quite a few, aren't there? :)
[07:35] <robitaille> it's a good thing
[07:40] <ajmitch> yep
[07:40] <ajmitch> thanks for writing up that announcement to make it possible :)
[07:40] <robitaille> no problem.    
[08:01] <Burglaptop> rob^, can I suggest a quick change to the faqguide? we can remove totem-xine for the list of things to install. Gstreamer appears to work.
[08:02] <Burglaptop> rob^, and totem-xine simply means that they have to get w32codecs
[08:04] <robitaille> I discovered this week that installing gstreamer0.8-plugins gstreamer0.8-plugins-multiverse allowed me to play some things in totem that I could play previously using w32codecs
[08:05] <Burglaptop> yes, I just discovered that too
[08:05] <Burglaptop> .mpg and the trailers from trailers.apple
[08:05] <Burglaptop> I think gstreamer is now as complete as xine
[08:06] <Burglaptop> but I have no sound with the totem plugin
[08:07] <robitaille> haven't tried the plugins;  I was testing it using a the stand-alone client.  let me try one
[08:09] <robitaille> same here; no sounds on one of the apple trailer using the plugin
[08:10] <Burglaptop> hmm
[08:22] <robitaille> Burglaptop,  using totem-xine results in no image and no sounds using the plugin inb the trailers.apple site.  So I guess gstreamer is 50% better; but not perfect.
[08:35] <Burglaptop> robitaille, you need w32codecs
[08:37] <robitaille> yeah I guess.  the point of the exercise in my mind was to try to find a way  away from installing w32codecs.   for the amount of multimedia I do, I'll stick with gstreamer.  But for users in general, I guess you still have to suggest using totem-xine since it still works better
[08:40] <Burglaptop> yes, but we also tell the user to install all the gstreamer stuff
[08:43] <rob^> hi, whats that?
[08:45] <rob^> at the moment the list is:
[08:45] <rob^> Libraries (multiverse) > gstreamer0.8-plugins-multiverse
[08:45] <rob^> Libraries (universe) > gstreamer0.8-plugins
[08:45] <rob^> Libraries (universe) > gstreamer0.8-ffmpeg
[08:45] <rob^> Libraries (universe) > gstreamer0.8-mad
[08:45] <rob^> Multimedia > vorbis-tools
[08:45] <rob^> Multimedia (multiverse) > lame
[08:45] <rob^> Multimedia (multiverse) > faad
[08:46] <rob^> Multimedia (multiverse) > gstreamer0.8-lame
[08:46] <rob^> Multimedia (universe) > sox
[08:46] <rob^> Graphics (multiverse) > mjpegtools
[08:46] <rob^> Graphics (universe) > ffmpeg 
[08:46] <rob^> GNOME Desktop Enviroment (universe) > totem-xine
[08:46] <rob^> (sorry for the paste!)
[08:47] <rob^> so you want to remove totem-xine? does video now play smoothly without it?
[08:49] <rob^> brb
[08:54] <Burglaptop> rob^, we install totem-xine, which doesn't use all the gstreamer plugins we just installed
[08:54] <Burglaptop> let me get you a patch
[08:55] <Burglaptop> rob^, I forgot to review it
[08:55] <Burglaptop> we should only need to install 3 things
[08:55] <rob^> true, but one day we will use all the gstreamer stuff, it just doesn't work all that well yet
[08:55] <Burglaptop> rob^, it actually does on fresh installs
[08:55] <rob^> unless something has changed again lately
[08:55] <Burglaptop> rob^, robitaille and I were just testing it
[08:56] <rob^> what about totem-gstreamer?
[08:56] <Burglaptop> that is what we were just testing
[08:56] <rob^> thats the default right? does it work well/smooth?
[08:56] <robotgeek> i tried both totem-gstreamer/totem-xine. totem-xine works better
[08:56] <rob^> I wonder how that will affect translations though
[08:56] <Burglaptop> rob^, yes, gstreamer is the default
[08:57] <rob^> last time I checked it was painfully slow
[08:57] <Burglaptop> robotgeek, -gstreamer has made great strides in breezy
[08:57] <robotgeek> Burglaptop: doesn't rhythmbox use gstreamer? it skips while playing an mp3 :(
[08:57] <robitaille> personally I findgstreamer is still a bit on the slow side on my laptop
[08:58] <Burglaptop> robotgeek, yes it does
[08:58] <rob^> yeah, I get a bit of choppyness with rhythmbox when my system is under a little bit of load
[08:58] <Burglaptop> yes, but gstreamer is only patent illegal, not copyright illegal as well, ala w32codecs
[08:59] <Burglaptop> and multiverse is easier to add than hoary-extras
[08:59] <rob^> I wish there was a better way then w32codecs, but I fail to see one
[09:00] <Burglaptop> it appears to me that there is
[09:00] <rob^> does gstreamer support everything that w32codecs does?
[09:00] <Burglaptop> should, with multiverse plugins
[09:00] <robitaille> Burglaptop,  I'm all for suggesting to use gstreamer, but my test earlier on trailers.apple didn't produce any sounds for the trailer I was looking at using only stuff from multiverse
[09:01] <robitaille> it's a bit late  in the game to make that switch, isn't it?
[09:01] <Burglaptop> robitaille, that is likely a totem bug, not a specific gstreamer one
[09:01] <Burglaptop> rob^, that is my bad, I forgot to review it throughly for saneness
[09:02] <robitaille> Burglaptop,  or a missing codec in multiverse for the audio track of these trailers
[09:03] <Burglaptop> unlikely
[09:04] <Burglaptop> let me test by downloading
[09:04] <robotgeek> unfortunately, can't help u guys here..i am on ppc
[09:04] <robitaille> I have faced very recently 2 videos that were only video, no audio, due to codecs issues.  one was solved by using vlc, the other by using w32codecs
[09:04] <rob^> got a url for that apple movie that was causing problems?
[09:05] <robitaille> http://trailers.apple.com/trailers/newline/the_man/theMan240.html
[09:06] <rob^> yeah it runs ok with w32codecs and totem-xine
[09:07] <robitaille> but I got no sounds using totem-gstreamer will all the multiverse plugins installed.
[09:08] <Burglaptop> ok, fails to play
[09:08] <Burglaptop> hmm
[09:08] <Burglaptop> but we should cleanup the installation stuff
[09:08] <rob^> yeah, same looks like its no good
[09:08] <Burglaptop> we only need to install 3 things
[09:09] <Burglaptop> sox and the non gstreamer stuff can die
[09:09] <rob^> nah
[09:10] <rob^> you still need lame, faad and others for stuff
[09:10] <rob^> ffmpeg
[09:10] <Burglaptop> you do, but gstreamer0.8-plugins-multiverse will get all that for you
[09:10] <rob^> about the only one that could die is sox
[09:10] <Burglaptop> and -plugins will get the stuff from universe
[09:10] <rob^> not everything uses gstreamer that needs those packages though
[09:10] <Burglaptop> and -ffmpeg, because that isn
[09:11] <Burglaptop> 't in the other three
[09:11] <rob^>  Multimedia (multiverse) > lame
[09:11] <rob^> Multimedia (multiverse) > faad
[09:11] <rob^> these ones I mean
[09:11] <Burglaptop> those ones will come with -plugins-multiverse
[09:11] <Burglaptop> trust me
[09:11] <rob^> I know there are gstreamer ones, but they suck
[09:11] <Burglaptop> the gstreamer ones use lame and fadd
[09:12] <Burglaptop> they are just wrappers around the existing code
[09:12] <rob^> grr multimedia sucks on linux doesn't it?
[09:12] <Burglaptop> yes
[09:12] <robotgeek> on ppc, very much :(
[09:12] <rob^> it would be nice if you could just install a package called "codecs" and everything is done for you
[09:13] <robitaille> Burglaptop,  gstreamer0.8-ffmpeg is not included in gstreamer0.8-plugins ...
[09:13] <Burglaptop> rob^, you almost can
[09:13] <Burglaptop> robitaille, yes I know
[09:13] <Burglaptop> rob^, you only need 3 meta packages
[09:14] <rob^> hang on, let me try removing w32codecs and just using gstreamer
[09:18] <rob^> I removed everything without gstreamer next to it except totem-xine
[09:19] <Burglaptop> you need totem-gstreamer and those plugin packages, plug ffmpeg
[09:20] <rob^> Ok, so I removed lame faad ffmpeg sox mjpegtools vorbis-tools and w32codecs, but not totem-xine
[09:20] <rob^> that apple trailer plays but without sound
[09:21] <Burglaptop> ok
[09:21] <rob^> if I remove totem-xine and install totem-gstreamer, it doesn't play at all
[09:22] <rob^> so we at least need w32codecs for quicktime
[09:23] <rob^> and totem-xine because the gstreamer one sucks
[09:23] <robitaille> did you noticed a difference in speed between totem-xine and totem-gstreamer?
[09:24] <rob^> robitaille, yes, one works one doesnt
[09:24] <rob^> :)
[09:25] <rob^> does dvdrip use gstreamer yet?
[09:26] <robitaille> rob^,  totem-gstreamer worked for me but no sounds;  and video seemed a bit slow.
[09:26] <rob^> it does suggest mjpegtools though
[09:27] <rob^> well, I say we leave it, currently its the best working option if the user installs w32codecs and even if they dont
[09:28] <rob^> we just need to make sure RestrictedFormats on the wiki is up to scratch and easy to follow
[09:28] <rob^> for w32codecs anywya
[09:28] <rob^> s/anywya/anyway
[09:30] <rob^> ok, bbl
[09:35] <rob^> grr downloader for X still isn't working
[09:40] <ajmitch> rob^: can you give more info on malone #2340?
[09:40] <ajmitch> since it looks like it was apache that failed, rather than anything in your report :)
[09:41] <Burglaptop> rob^, hopefully dapper will solve much of this
[09:41] <Burglaptop> night all
[09:41] <rob^> http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2340
[09:41] <rob^> ajmitch, on that one?
[09:42] <ajmitch> malone
[09:43] <rob^> grr I wish we just used one bts
[09:43] <ajmitch> we will
[09:43] <robitaille> rob^,  I have tried 2340, and it works fine now.
[09:43] <rob^> I did it yesterday
[09:45] <rob^> I ended up getting it working by just running the apt-get again
[09:45] <ajmitch> ok
[09:45] <rob^> I think its just because things are not configured in the right order
[09:45] <robitaille> humm...but I have apache2 already installed on my machine.  installing usermin worked for me on the 1st try
[09:58] <rob^> anyone know where I can find some information on yelp?
[09:58] <robitaille> yelp yelp    :)
[10:00] <robitaille> http://directory.fsf.org/text/doc/yelp.html points to some urls, but notihng obvious documentation-wise
[10:01] <rob^> there is a couple of bounties on the gnome web site at the bottom of this page: http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2340
[10:01] <rob^> grr
[10:01] <rob^> http://www.gnome.org/bounties/Documentation.html
[10:01] <rob^> that page
[10:12] <rob^> :-*
[10:12] <rob^> hmm, gaim and irc..
[10:43] <mdke> morning all
[10:43] <Madpilot> hi mdke
[10:43] <robotgeek> hi mdke Madpilot 
[10:44] <rob^> hello
[10:44] <mdke> hi there
[10:44] <mdke> rob^, how is your translation of the faqguide going?
[10:45] <rob^> well, I've kind of come to the conclusion that seeing as I'm an aussie and I understand everything there, it doesn't really need translating into AU english
[10:45] <robotgeek> makes sense to me
[10:45] <rob^> I noticed the same thing on evolution also
[10:45] <Madpilot> rob^: so you'll just add "G'day, mate!" to the top, and call it translated into AU_en? ;)
[10:46] <rob^> heh yeah, I was thinking of pulling out an aussie slang dictionary out..
[10:46] <Madpilot> ... and I'll add "eh?" to the end of every 2nd sentance, and call it translated into CA_en... ;)
[10:46] <rob^> might of been humourous
[10:46] <rob^> haha
[10:46] <mdke> has anyone noticed that there is no option in nautilus to have the address bar there for browser mode?
[10:47] <mdke> i hate the way that gnome always have to bugger something up for every release
[10:47] <rob^> there is a "places" bar
[10:47] <Madpilot> actually, maybe I'll thrash out a "Canadian translation" for the UBZ folks...
[10:47] <rob^> haha
[10:47] <rob^> I wish I was going :(
[10:48] <mdke> rob^, yes, and you can get the address with go->location but you can't set it to always show up like that, unless you edit a gconf key
[10:48] <rob^> mdke, ah yeah I see
[10:48] <rob^> I tend to use the xterm for everything, so never really noticed
[10:49] <mdke> i use nautilus a lot
[10:49] <rob^> why the heck did they remove it?
[10:50] <Madpilot> the Gnome "Open File" dialogue box already used buttons, so Nautilus has been changed to match, I think
[10:50] <mdke> rob^, cos they suck
[10:50] <rob^> Madpilot, pretty much
[10:50] <rob^> mdke, yep
[10:51] <rob^> I think I've found a solution to having svn access at work
[10:51] <mdke> use linux?
[10:51] <rob^> hehe apart from that
[10:51] <Madpilot> I sort of like the buttons; fastest way to move up a directory tree. Not sure how I'm going to like them in Naut, though... (not running Breezy yet...)
[10:51] <rob^> I'm talking a solution that uses an nt4 box without installing anything
[10:52] <rob^> I got webmin going on my home box and pointed a domain name I own at it
[10:53] <rob^> It was a bit painful, but I now have buttons in webmin that do "svn up", "svn commit" and stuff
[10:53] <mdke> heh cool
[10:53] <mdke> i guess you could just use putty dude
[10:53] <rob^> nah, basted firewall
[10:53] <mdke> run an ssh server on a different port?
[10:54] <rob^> I was thinking of using some tunneling software to get out, but this method doesn't break any work IT policies
[10:54] <mdke> ah
[10:54] <rob^> nah, all ports are ssh/telnet blocked
[10:54] <mdke> jeez
[10:54] <mdke> i'm starting a new job next week
[10:55] <mdke> i ran em up, to ask about computer compatibility and the guy was chuffed when he heard that I ran linux
[10:55] <mdke> i was worried I might have to install windows :)
[10:55] <rob^> I was going to tunnel over ICMP or DNS, but I don't know how I would explain all that traffic
[10:55] <mdke> heh
[10:55] <Madpilot> rob^: where do you work that's so locked down?
[10:56] <rob^> err
[10:56] <mdke> that's classified
[10:56] <mdke> he'd have to kill you
[10:56] <rob^> hehe
[10:56] <Madpilot> heh. never mind, then... 
[10:56] <mdke> he works for microsoft
[10:56] <rob^> yeah, thats it
[10:56] <rob^> we still use nt4
[10:57] <mdke> man that faqguide is gonna take a while to translate
[10:57] <rob^> we distribute xp for all the suckers
[10:57] <rob^> yeah
[10:58] <Madpilot> a friend figures NT4 is the only stable OS Redmond ever managed to produce... :|
[10:58] <rob^> Burgundavia wanted to make some changes before, I was like: I dunno about that
[10:58] <mdke> to XP?
[10:59] <rob^> yeah nt4 is so secure, only because of it so old and new worms etc don't work on it :)
[10:59] <rob^> umm great english that
[10:59] <Madpilot> like Win98 is "secure" these days...
[11:00] <rob^> check out the list of breezy badger translations https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/breezy/+translations
[11:00] <rob^> a while to go yet!
[11:00] <rob^> hehe: Release Date:
[11:00] <rob^> When it's done. 
[11:01] <mdke> hmm
[11:01] <mdke> my touchpad is crazy
[11:01] <mdke> i turned the sensitivity down to minimum in the mouse preferences, and it is still flying around the screen
[11:02] <robotgeek> mdke: maybe u need to do some think in your xorg
[11:02] <mdke> robotgeek, i don't play with configuration
[11:02] <mdke> if it doesn't work out of the box, it's a bug
[11:02] <robotgeek> mdke: :)
[11:03] <robotgeek> makes sense
[11:03] <Madpilot> there's a translation project into Old English? um... OK... 
[11:03] <rob^> hehe
[11:03] <rob^> ouch
[11:03] <mdke> awesome!
[11:04] <Madpilot> Esperanto, too...
[11:04] <rob^> and ye click ye olde OK button
[11:05] <robotgeek> klingon?
[11:05] <rob^> robotgeek, yes
[11:05] <robotgeek> i know it's there...crazy!
[11:05] <Madpilot> yeah, Klingon too...
[11:06] <rob^> only for tuxpaint though
[11:06] <rob^> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/breezy/+lang/tlh
[11:06] <Madpilot> no Tolkien Elvish languages, though...
[11:06] <Madpilot> artist Klingons, evidently...
[11:06] <rob^> yes
[11:07] <mdke> lol
[11:07] <mdke> the sensitive klingons
[11:07] <rob^> dam I have never even heard of half of thouse languages
[11:08] <rob^> those*
[11:08] <rob^> dam rsi
[11:08] <Madpilot> 6 varieties of Spanish; 4 of Chinese; 3 of Arabic; 5 of English (plus Old English)... wow.
[11:09] <mdke> Madpilot, i have to say, i think it's a waste of people's time to translate into variations of English
[11:09] <Madpilot> yeah. Even Australians can be understood, with a bit of effort! ;)
[11:09] <mdke> i've never had a problem understanding US or AU or whatever
[11:10] <mdke> omg
[11:10] <mdke> i forgot to gloat about the Ashes to rob^ 
[11:10] <rob^> omg someone has translated the bible into klingon too
[11:10] <rob^> yeah.. go to hell :P
[11:10] <mdke> :)
[11:11] <Madpilot> rob^: Shakespeare, too, I've heard
[11:12] <Madpilot> what is "Interlingua"? Another artificial lang. like Esperanto?
[11:15] <Madpilot> it's a constructed language - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interlingua
[11:15] <Madpilot> interesting
[11:16] <rob^> grr the klingons have no word for "pink"
[11:17] <Madpilot> why am I not surprised? It's just not a very Klingon colour...
[11:17] <ajmitch> rob^: that matters? :)
[11:18] <Madpilot> night all - it's 0215 here, need sleep - working Saturdays bites....
[02:48] <jsgotangco> Burgundavia: are you already awake?
[03:27] <mdke> hi jsgotangco 
[03:27] <rob^> mdke, do you know whats going on with the xincludes in the faq guide?
[03:27] <mdke> no idea
[03:28] <rob^> the faq guide doesn't build properly using the scripts
[03:28] <jsgotangco> hi
[03:28] <rob^> it just puts the tags in
[03:35] <jsgotangco> darn im so tired
[03:35] <jsgotangco> i hvaen't been doing anything productive for the docteam
[03:35] <jsgotangco> these talks are just punishing to the health
[03:36] <jsgotangco> im going to take a rest first
[03:36] <jsgotangco> brb
[04:11] <rob^> jbailey, is it too early to get a docs package released in Breezy that works properly (registed in) in yelp? 
[04:12] <rob^> registered.. brr its cold here tonight!
[04:13] <rob^> umm even if it only contains the english version of the FAQ guide for now?
[04:23] <jbailey> rob^: No, I've just been lagged.  It's on my todo for this weekend.
[04:23] <jbailey> I'm just trying to motivate myself to do work things right now.
[04:23] <rob^> ah ok sounds good, I just wanted to see it in action (how exciting!)
[04:58] <rob^> Burgundavia, you there?
[07:40] <dholbach> hellas
[07:40] <dholbach> is gnome-bittorrent featured somewhere?
[07:40] <dholbach> in the docs?
[07:40] <dholbach> i'd like to change the menu entry for it
[07:41] <dholbach> to say "BitTorrent" instead of "GNOME BitTorrent"
[07:41] <dholbach> you think that 'll be a problem?
[10:36] <dholbach> i'm off - see you guys