[12:06] <Lathiat> ugh, vlc sucks
[12:06] <Lathiat> it ftbfs on everything but i386
[12:06] <Lathiat> who has a ppc and can try compile the latest debian version?
[12:06] <Lathiat> also amd64 or ia64?
[12:07] <dholbach> amd64 here
[12:07] <dholbach> what shall i do? vlc source package build?
[12:07] <persia> Lathiat: I can compile for amd64.
[12:07] <dholbach> ok, persia, it's up to you :)
[12:07] <Lathiat> dholbach: from debian
[12:07] <chillywilly> I need beer
[12:08] <Lathiat> bah
[12:08] <Lathiat> debian tells me all i need to know
[12:08] <Lathiat> 0.8.4-svn20050823-2: hppa i386 mips mipsel s390 sparc
[12:08] <Lathiat> 0.8.2-1: ia64
[12:08] <Lathiat> 0.8.1.svn20050314-1: alpha amd64 arm m68k powerpc
[12:08] <persia> Lathiat: Do you want the debian package compiled in a debian environment, or under breezy?
[12:08] <Lathiat> persia: dont worry about it :)
[12:08] <Lathiat> i can tell its not going to work
[12:09] <Lathiat> wonder if makign it buidl with gcc-3.4 would make it happier
[12:26] <siretart> gn8
[12:26] <dholbach> good night everybody, i'll join you again, tomorrow
[12:27] <siretart> dholbach: gn8, sleep well
[01:13] <Lathiat> https://launchpad.net/malone/bugs/895 anybody disagree with me thats a bad idea?
[01:15] <\sh> Lathiat: why?
[01:17] <\sh> fvwm, fluxbox etc. are as well in the sessions dir
[01:17] <\sh> why not sawfish
[01:19] <Lathiat> hm, suppose
[01:19] <Lathiat> if someone submitted a gcc4 patch
[01:19] <Lathiat> and its now been fixed
[01:19] <Lathiat> so i mark it as "fixed" even tho im not using their patch
[01:20] <Lathiat> Riddell: about?
[01:23] <bddebian> Heya
[01:24] <\sh> re bddebian
[01:25] <bddebian> Heya \sh
[01:52] <bmonty_laptop> ajmitch: ping
[01:52] <bddebian> Heya bmonty
[01:52] <bmonty_laptop> hi bddebian
[01:54] <bmonty_laptop> how goes unmet deps?
[01:55] <bddebian> Slowly, like everything else :-)
[01:55] <bmonty_laptop> \sh: I have a patch for ace...
[01:56] <\sh> bmonty_laptop: do it :)
[01:56] <bmonty_laptop> \sh: I need someone to test it on amd64 and powerpc....can you do that?
[01:57] <\sh> bmonty_laptop: compiling?
[01:57] <bmonty_laptop> yes
[01:57] <\sh> bmonty_laptop: no problem...give me only a debdiff from last version to new version
[01:57] <bmonty_laptop> test the build on the two architectures that failed
[01:58] <\sh> brb...need to switch to kde
[01:58] <bmonty_laptop> http://www.montynet.org/ubuntu/debdiff/ace_5.4.7-3ubuntu1.debdiff
[01:58] <Lathiat> siretart: yo
[01:58] <Lathiat> siretart: better to comment rather than put things in "status notes" (a bit confusing i know, but status notes isn't very obvious on the bug page)
[02:02] <bmonty_laptop> \sh: debdiff is at http://www.montynet.org/ubuntu/debdiff/ace_5.4.7-3ubuntu1.debdiff
[02:03] <\sh> bmonty_laptop: thx
[02:03] <bmonty_laptop> \sh: thanks for testing it
[02:07] <ajmitch> bmonty_laptop: pong
[02:07] <ajmitch> bmonty_laptop: I haven't had access to the ppc box, sorry
[02:07] <bmonty_laptop> ajmitch: no worries
[02:07] <bddebian> ajmitch!!
[02:08] <ajmitch> hello
[02:08] <Lathiat> did someone say something about some bug fixing ddd earlier?
[02:12] <\sh> Lathiat: u have to update to new lesstif
[02:15] <Lathiat> \sh: is that the "movign window around bug" ?
[02:16] <\sh> Lathiat: no...that was the "segfaulting bug"
[02:16] <Lathiat> ah ok
[02:16] <Lathiat> \sh: err well
[02:16] <Lathiat> \sh: "moving window around causes segfault" :)
[02:16] <\sh> Lathiat: lesstiff updated?
[02:17] <Lathiat> uh ddd needsa  rebuild anyway
[02:17] <Lathiat> libXp
[02:17] <ajmitch> yeah
[02:25] <\sh> bmonty_laptop: I need mithrandir first to install one depend
[02:25] <bmonty_laptop> \sh: ok, no problem
[02:25] <\sh> bmonty_laptop: so latest monday :(
[02:26] <bmonty_laptop> \sh: hopefully that patch works :)
[02:31] <\sh> bmonty_laptop: yeah...but I will bug infinity tomorrow he wanted to have a look over it...
[02:31] <\sh> so actually he could test the patch as well
[02:31] <bmonty_laptop> cool
[02:31] <\sh> time to go to bed for me...my eyes are close to closed by themselves
[02:31] <bmonty_laptop> gnight \sh
[02:32] <\sh> shermann@shermann-laptop:~/pbuilder/result/breezy$ du -m
[02:32] <\sh> 77      .
[02:32] <\sh> 20MB more then yesterday
[02:32] <\sh> good
[02:33] <ajmitch> heh
[02:34] <bddebian> heh
[02:34] <ajmitch> ah, my mailbox for universe-bugs is getting a good hammering today ;)
[02:35] <\sh> ajmitch: hehe...this is only the stuff i compiled today...the uploads I'm not counting...only the packages I build ;)
[02:35] <ajmitch> heh
[02:35] <\sh> ajmitch: this is normally more then I upload ;)
[03:36] <Riddell> Lathiat: hi
[03:36] <ajmitch> hey Riddell
[03:37] <Riddell> morning ajmitch
[03:39] <bddebian> Heya Riddell
[03:46] <Riddell> morning bddebian
[03:46] <Riddell> everyone is very friendly here today :0
[03:46] <bddebian> Everyone is always friendly here in MOTU land ;-)
[03:56] <ajmitch> Riddell: there's something in the water here
[03:56] <ajmitch> I try & be a bit more critical than others ;)
[04:00] <ajmitch> oh joy
[04:00] <ajmitch> someone proposed an autopackage BOF for UBZ
[04:26] <bddebian> ajmitch: Did it come in broken?
[04:28] <ajmitch> bddebian: yes
[04:28] <ajmitch> pls don't sync brokennes kthx :)
[04:28] <bddebian> ajmitch: It built fine for me??
[04:28] <ajmitch> it's not a build problem??
[04:29] <ajmitch> why did you sync it, anyway?
[04:29] <bddebian> Ohh
[04:29] <bddebian> It was missing so I wanted to try to fix the Malone bug :-)
[04:29] <ajmitch> well it needs debian/rules fixed
[04:29] <bddebian> :-(  Sorry
[04:29] <ajmitch> more phpapi crack
[04:30] <bddebian> Oh fuXXor.  I didn't look at that. :-(
[04:30] <LaserJock> oh, man. GPIB drivers. That would be very cool
[04:30] <ajmitch> bddebian: fixing it now
[04:30] <bddebian> Is gnomeappdir in Makefile where the .desktop stuff ends up?
[04:30] <bmonty_laptop> LaserJock: they aren't talking about test instrument control :)
[04:31] <LaserJock> bmonty: ?
[04:31] <ajmitch> bddebian: rebuild gpib, will upload :P
[04:32] <bddebian> ajmitch: Me?
[04:32] <ajmitch> bddebian: no, I am
[04:32] <ajmitch> I meant rebuilding
[04:32] <bddebian> Oh, sorry d00d.  Your always fixing my stupid stuff huh? :-(
[04:32] <bmonty_laptop> so anyone know how to prevent ${shlibs:Depends} from pulling in a package?
[04:32] <ajmitch> bddebian: don't let me make it a habit ;)
[04:33] <ajmitch> bmonty_laptop: why do you want to do that?
[04:33] <bmonty_laptop> ajmitch: it makes mplayer depends on xmms
[04:33] <bddebian> ajmitch: :'-(
[04:33] <ajmitch> bmonty_laptop: shlibs:Depends is because some binary is depending on xmms stuff then
[04:34] <ajmitch> is it in build depends?
[04:34] <ajmitch> bddebian: cheer up ;)
[04:34] <bmonty_laptop> xmms-dev is
[04:34] <ajmitch> bmonty_laptop: so disable the xmms stuff there?
[04:34] <bddebian> So what about the .desktop stuff?
[04:35] <bmonty_laptop> ajmitch: I could, but I'm not smart enough on mplayer to know what that will do to how the program runs
[04:35] <ajmitch> bddebian: go forth & fix them
[04:35] <bddebian> ajmitch: I meant my question about the path
[04:35] <LaserJock> heah bmonty: have you had a chance to look at getting libghemical in universe?
[04:35] <ajmitch> bddebian: I didn't see a question about the path
[04:36] <bmonty_laptop> LaserJock: no, not yet
[04:36] <bmonty_laptop> I need to get the debian source package for libghemical and check it
[04:36] <bddebian> ajmitch:   Is gnomeappdir in Makefile where the .desktop stuff ends up?
[04:36] <LaserJock> well, I was able to build libghemical from the tarball with MOPAC7 support by changeing an include in one src file and using gcc 3.4
[04:37] <ajmitch> bddebian: no idea
[04:37] <ajmitch> bddebian: /usr/share/applications is where most of them go, iirc
[04:37] <bmonty_laptop> LaserJock: can you make a patch of it
[04:38] <LaserJock> I think so
[04:38] <bmonty_laptop> I think all of the .desktop files are in /usr/share/applications
[04:38] <bddebian> ajmitch: I know, that's what the bug report says but I'm trying to figure out what determines where that path is.. ;-)
[04:38] <bmonty_laptop> gnome menu figures out a new one is there almost instantly
[04:38] <ajmitch> bddebian: why?
[04:38] <bddebian> ajmitch: So I can fix #1177
[04:38] <ajmitch> it  might be interesting & all, but I don't see why you need to do it
[04:38] <bmonty_laptop> bddebian: just copy it to /usr/share/applications in the rules file
[04:39] <ajmitch> bmonty_laptop's suggestion is the simplest way
[04:39] <ajmitch> and use dh_installdesktop
[04:39] <bddebian> fscking lame
[04:39] <ajmitch> bah, don't give up on it :P
[04:39] <ajmitch> it means one of us has to start on it
[04:40] <LaserJock> bmonty: Should I make an ubuntu version of the Debian source ( i.e.  1.90-1ubuntu1) and send it to you?
[04:40] <bddebian> Anyone know another package I can look at as an example?
[04:41] <bmonty_laptop> LaserJock: if you have a working package you should send it to one of the folks with upload rights (which isn't me) :)
[04:41] <ajmitch> send to the master MOTU bddebian
[04:41] <bmonty_laptop> if your libghemical package works, then I think you should ask elmo for a sync of ghemical
[04:41] <bddebian> Well guess it's time to go
[04:41] <bddebian> ;-)
[04:43] <bmonty_laptop> by bddebian
[04:43] <bmonty_laptop> er..bye
[04:43] <ajmitch> he's not leaving yet..
[04:43] <ajmitch> he's still got bugs to fix
[04:44] <LaserJock> well, I have a question. The Debian package of libghemical has a patch that is doing a lot of things that I don't know are neccessary. Is it ok to get rid of the patch?
[04:45] <ajmitch> could be.. ask the debian maintainer
[04:45] <bmonty_laptop> I would say yes as long as the software still builds and run correctly....can you look in the debian BTS and see why they applied the patch?
[04:46] <bmonty_laptop> or the changelog
[04:46] <Lathiat> he was in -devel earlier
[04:47] <ajmitch> he's probably long asleep by now
[04:47] <ajmitch> LaserJock: what is the patch?
[04:47] <LaserJock> well, the changelog doesn't have anything
[04:48] <ajmitch> is it the autotools patch?
[04:48] <LaserJock> yes
[04:48] <ajmitch> keep it, please
[04:48] <ajmitch> just because you don't understand it, doesn't make it any less necessary :)
[04:48] <LaserJock> well, I understand. I just want to know why?
[04:48] <LaserJock> I think I must be missing something
[04:48] <ajmitch> and I know azeem understands autotools far better than I
[04:49] <ajmitch> it's an update to the package build system, to make it build properly
[04:49] <ajmitch> especially on certain architectures
[04:49] <LaserJock> hmm, ok then. No problem. I just wondered why it built ok for me without it
[04:50] <ajmitch> it'll build fine on the common architectures
[04:50] <ajmitch> but don't drop patches like that randomly
[04:51] <LaserJock> yeah, that makes sense. I am just starting with this packageing thing :-P
[04:52] <LaserJock> Is it the usual thing to wait for Debian to fix things so we don't have to do any more work than is necessary?
[04:52] <ajmitch> depends on how responsive debian might be
[04:52] <ajmitch> in this case, we know the maintainer, and he is willing to do stuff with ubuntu as well
[04:53] <LaserJock> how willing are you guys to allow a package to depend on gcc 3.4?
[04:54] <bddebian> LaserJock: In some cases we don't have a choice.  But also, depending gcc 3.4 isn't always enough because you can still have gcc4 installed and the "default"
[04:55] <LaserJock> well, I ask because I had to set CC=gcc-3.4 CXX=g++3.4 to get libghemical to build with MOPAC7 support, which is my goal
[04:55] <bddebian> Ah yes, now that is different :-)
[04:59] <LaserJock> OK, here is my dillema. I think it is relatively easy for me to make a libghemical package. I email my changes to Michael Banck but haven't gotten a response. Should I wait for him, or make my own Breezy .deb and send it to you?
[05:00] <LaserJock> He is obviously the maintainer but this package is the only packaging project I am working on at the moment so I can spend (waste) more time on it
[05:01] <ajmitch> you can send them to me - I'm not sure how busy he is at the moment
[05:01] <ajmitch> send source packages, rather than debs :)
[05:02] <LaserJock> ok
[05:04] <LaserJock> Well, I'm trying trying not to be rude or step on any toes. I know that I am a newbie at this, but I just want to help if I can.
[05:04] <ajmitch> azeem won't bite (much)
[05:05] <bddebian> Heh
[05:11] <LaserJock> Ok, so I was able to build the Debian libghemical source package in pbuilder without problems. However, it doesn't have MOPAC7 support. To do that we would need to also get mopac7 from Debian. Is that OK?
[05:11] <ajmitch> I guess so
[05:11] <bmonty_laptop> goodnight everyone
[05:12] <ajmitch> night bmonty_laptop
[05:13] <bddebian> Gnight bmonty_laptop
[05:16] <persia> bddebian: I've installed vpnc 0.3.3 for testing on #241.  What's the best way to exchange the deails for testing?  I have the IP, but not the other parameters.
[05:17] <persia> Oops.  Sorry.  Wrong list.  Ignore me.
[07:50] <LaserJock> does anybody know how to set CC and CXX in debian/rules with CDBS?
[07:53] <LaserJock> nvm
[08:11] <hub__> ajmitch: is that you the Mono pacakaging guru?
[08:12] <ajmitch> not avguru, but i do some :)
[08:12] <hub__> libgtk-cil or libgtk-2.0-cil ?
[08:13] <ajmitch> depends what your app is written for
[08:13] <ajmitch> different APIs
[08:13] <hub__> ah ok
[08:13] <hub__> so if they say libgtk-cil
[08:13] <hub__> I must use that one
[08:13] <robitaille> blam uses libgtk-cil  and beagle libgtk-2.0-cil  for example
[08:13] <ajmitch> yeah
[08:13] <hub__> ok
[08:14] <hub__> gah
[08:14] <hub__> it crashes
[08:14] <hub__> crap
[08:17] <hub__> is that uncmmon to use libgdiplus?
[08:18] <hub__> I repackage due to lack of conformance to Debian Policy for CLI
[08:18] <ajmitch> don't think it's that common
[08:18] <ajmitch> ok
[08:18] <hub__> and it require that lib
[08:18] <hub__> obviously
[08:18] <ajmitch> aha
[08:18] <hub__> maybe because it runs on Windows too
[08:20] <hub__> I know nothing about C# and Mono
[08:20] <ajmitch> so you're using cli-common >= 0.2.0 now?
[08:20] <hub__> yep
[08:20] <ajmitch> I thought you were packaging a C# app?
[08:21] <hub__> I am
[08:21] <hub__> because I'm interested by the app not by the language
[08:21] <hub__> I know a little about Mono in fact
[08:21] <hub__> and what CLI is, etc.
[08:22] <hub__> just I never learned C# and when I get crashes, I don't know wy
[08:22] <ajmitch> ah
[08:22] <ajmitch> usually it's best if you have a reasonable understanding of the language of an app you're packaging :)
[08:23] <hub__> yeah I know
[08:23] <hub__> that gives a good reason to learn
[08:24] <hub__> I'm and experienced C C++ programmer
[08:24] <ajmitch> the app is hugin?
[08:24] <hub__> (not counting other languages)
[08:24] <hub__> no hugin is C++
[08:24] <hub__> autopano-sift
[08:24] <hub__> that should go in multiverse
[08:24] <hub__> (because it runs on Multivac, sorry for the bad joke)
[08:24] <ajmitch> right..
[08:25] <ajmitch> the debian mono team is a joint debian/ubuntu effort, btw :)
[08:27] <hub__> dcc?
[08:27] <hub__> better go to bed
[08:27] <ajmitch> no, dcc is neither debian nor ubuntu :P
[08:27] <hub__> I'll have better idea tomorrow
[08:28] <ajmitch> do you want to maintain your package in debian as well?
[08:28] <hub__> why not
[08:28] <ajmitch> possibly in the debian mono team's svn repository?
[08:28] <hub__> I'm not a debian dev
[08:28] <hub__> and the only debian I have now is at work
[08:28] <ajmitch> doesn't stop you
[08:29] <ajmitch> right
[08:29] <hub__> or my real old debian box
[08:29] <ajmitch> makes it a bit harder to maintain there
[08:29] <hub__> I can arrange that
[08:29] <hub__> like a chroot debian
[08:29] <hub__> :-)
[08:29] <ajmitch> like I have
[08:29] <hub__> I do that already to build our crap for debian-woody
[08:30] <hub__> good night
[08:30] <hub__> off to bed
[08:30] <ajmitch> night
[08:30] <hub__> c-ya later
[08:35] <ajmitch> hi Mithrandir
[09:38] <pef> hello
[09:43] <ajmitch> pef: I took malone #995, the user wanted it fixed :)
[09:44] <dholbach> good morning
[09:44] <jtan325> is there a place that keeps track of package stats, i.e. number of downloads?
[09:45] <jtan325> similiar to debian's popularity contest
[09:45] <dholbach> jtan325: popcon.ubuntu.com?
[09:46] <jtan325> oh cool
[09:46] <dholbach> :)
[09:46] <jtan325> os is there a way to see it for a specific package though?
[09:47] <jtan325> instead of just top 10
[09:48] <dholbach> the lists a VERY long
[09:48] <jtan325> hehe
[09:48] <ivoks> ok
[09:48] <dholbach> where did you find that top 10 thing?
[09:48] <jtan325> my first package has made it into breezy, so i just wanted to check out how it was doing
[09:48] <ivoks> i'm trying to fix java packages
[09:48] <ivoks> but i can't put assigned on bug
[09:49] <ivoks> in what group i should be to be able to mark packages fixed or edit them?
[09:49] <jtan325> http://popcon.ubuntu.com/multiverse/utils/by_inst
[09:49] <jtan325> (example of top 10)
[09:50] <dholbach> jtan325: yes, multiverse is not that big, maybe? only those were installed on people's systems?
[09:50] <dholbach> dunno
[09:50] <dholbach> it's top 16 for me
[09:50] <jtan325> hehe
[09:51] <jtan325> if you're running breezy, check out "conky"
[09:54] <ivoks> dholbach: ping :)
[09:55] <dholbach> ivoks: pong
[09:55] <ivoks> dholbach: never mind :)
[09:55] <dholbach> ok
[09:56] <siretart> morning
[09:56] <ajmitch> I'll take a look on malone for it
[09:56] <siretart> Lathiat: allright, didn't know there was a difference
[09:56] <siretart> hi ajmitch! :)
[09:57] <ajmitch> hi siretart
[09:57] <ivoks> morning (day)
[09:57] <jtan325> ajmitch, what?
[09:57] <siretart> huhu ivoks, hi *
[09:57] <jtan325> i'm gonna try it right now
[09:57] <ivoks> yay! /me is fixing java :)
[09:58] <dholbach> mornign siretart
[09:58] <ajmitch> jtan325: can't find it on malone, I could be mistaken
[09:58] <jtan325> sorry, what is malone?
[09:58] <jtan325> but that's good to hear :-)
[09:58] <ivoks> :/
[09:58] <jtan325> i just did a fresh install, seems fine
[09:58] <jtan325> and i just did an install of breezy preview like a few hours ago
[10:00] <ajmitch> launchpad.net/malone
[10:00] <ivoks> sbackup is nice, isn't it?
[10:01] <siretart> sbackup?
[10:01] <ivoks> yeah
[10:03] <ivoks> one question..
[10:03] <ivoks> if package has Depends: ${shlibs:Depends}, ${misc:Depends}
[10:03] <ivoks> where should I put lib that he's depending on?
[10:04] <crimsun> append it
[10:04] <ivoks> ok
[10:07] <siretart> ivoks: do you know why the lib does not appear in ${shlibs:Depends}?
[10:08] <ivoks> it's not budiled against it
[10:08] <ivoks> or?
[10:09] <ivoks> siretart: this is j2re, we don't build it, just install it, but it doesn't work without libxp6
[10:10] <ivoks> siretart: so, i just wanted to add that lib to dependency
[10:10] <siretart> ivoks: aaah. ok. then that should be ok
[10:11] <crimsun> that would be fine. Note that if the jre/jdk is ibm (instead of sun or blackdown), libgtk1.2 is also a Depends
[10:12] <crimsun> (see my note at the bottom of https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JavaPackageBuildNewVersions(
[10:12] <crimsun> ) rather
[10:13] <ivoks> crimsun: this is sun java in multiverse
[10:13] <crimsun> ivoks: k
[10:18] <ivoks> hm... build fails...
[10:18] <ivoks> acctually, it stops
[10:20] <ivoks> damn scripts
[10:22] <ivoks> doko: ping
[10:25] <doko> ivoks: pong
[10:25] <dholbach> morning doko
[10:26] <ivoks> doko: j2se1.4 has bug
[10:26] <ivoks> doko: package, not java
[10:26] <ivoks> doko: it should depend on libxp6
[10:26] <ivoks> doko: i uploaded -ubuntu1 witch depends on libxp6
[10:27] <ivoks> doko: just wanted you to know, sinc you are maintainer...
[10:28] <doko> ivoks: that's bad, we didn't want to modify the package
[10:28] <doko> dholbach: finally awake? ;-)
[10:29] <dholbach> doko: hahaha, had only 4h of sleep :)
[10:29] <\sh> moins
[10:29] <siretart> doko: well, that change is really minimal, and upstream couldn't think that ubuntu would drop/seperate libxp
[10:29] <siretart> huhu \sh!
[10:29] <ajmitch> hi doko
[10:29] <ivoks> doko: why you didn't want to modify it?
[10:29] <ajmitch> morning \sh
[10:30] <\sh> outch...u guys spammed my mailbox ;)
[10:32] <ajmitch> \sh: it'll recover ;)
[10:32] <ajmitch> \sh: we're only just starting to get into bug day ;)
[10:32] <ivoks> \sh: universe-bugs? :)
[10:32] <\sh> ivoks: sure
[10:38] <ivoks> ajmitch: did you vote? :)
[10:38] <ajmitch> ivoks: of course
[10:38] <ivoks> :)
[10:38] <ajmitch> voting turnout is generally very high in NZ
[10:39] <ivoks> that's nice
[10:40] <siretart> wah, now I see what \sh meant with 'spamming' :)
[10:40] <\sh> siretart: hehe
[10:41] <ajmitch> siretart: good, isn't it? :)
[10:41] <ajmitch> one of our best organised cleanups yet :)
[10:42] <ivoks> if not the best
[10:43] <ivoks> bye all
[10:43] <\sh> ajmitch: were more people helping, or just persia? ,-)
[10:43] <ivoks> time to study
[10:44] <siretart> hehe
[10:45] <ajmitch> \sh: persia has done a lot
[10:46] <\sh> ajmitch: I know..but were more people (!persia && !MOTU) helping since I went to bed?
[10:47] <persia> \sh robotgeek was very helpful testing against powerpc
[10:47] <\sh> cool
[10:47] <\sh> this means the announcement was read and we had/have/will have a good bug day all over the TZs .... great job ajmitch :)
[10:51] <ajmitch> don't thank me :)
[11:12] <\sh> kewl..I changed my LP name to shermann, now shermann@ubuntu.com is working ;)
[11:16] <Nafallo> \sh: :-)
[11:17] <Nafallo> hmm
[11:17] <Nafallo> remind me to unsubscribe from universe-bugs next bugday or something ;-)
[11:18] <\sh> no way ,)
[11:19] <dholbach> hehe :)
[11:28] <ajmitch> hey Nafallo
[11:31] <Nafallo> morning ajmitch :-)
[11:50] <deeyas> can anyone tell me how much similarity exists between ubuntu and debian?
[12:31] <StrikeForce> Is anyone here?
[12:38] <\sh> yepp...but working
[12:40] <StrikeForce> fair enough
[12:42] <siretart> yay, buildscript seems to work..
[12:43] <StrikeForce> erm I've installed a python program and its been byte compiled however should I erase all the other instances of it?
[12:43] <StrikeForce> e.g. there are 3 files being .py .pyc and .pyo
[12:44] <StrikeForce> 3 instances of each file I should say :(
[12:56] <siretart> who is anthony marcatante?
[01:11] <\sh> time to have a shower....
[01:14] <tseng> dudes, do i need to do anything special to make me@ubuntu.com work?
[01:14] <tseng> it doesnt.
[01:16] <siretart> tseng: are you in the ubuntu members lp group?
[01:17] <tseng> i am
[01:17] <tseng> well
[01:17] <tseng> im in developers and motu
[01:17] <tseng> it says i never signed CoC
[01:17] <siretart> you need to be in Ubuntu members group
[01:17] <tseng> yeah..
[01:17] <tseng> nice
[01:17] <tseng> #
[01:17] <tseng> # Ubuntu Core Development Team (Approved)
[01:18] <tseng> you think that would count for something.
[01:18] <tseng> :P
[01:18] <siretart> ;)
[01:21] <slomo_> siretart: toni in irc... but he isn't here very often ;)
[01:21] <ajmitch> tseng: so sign & upload a CoC
[01:21] <tseng> ajmitch:  i just did.
[01:22] <tseng> ajmitch: but, ive done this before
[01:22] <ajmitch> and it failed?
[01:22] <siretart> huhu slomo_
[01:22] <tseng> i mailed it to mako
[01:22] <tseng> i guess it failed in the sense that it didnt do any good
[01:22] <tseng> in the LP juggernaut sense anyway
[01:22] <ajmitch> tseng: so brandon
[01:23] <tseng> ajmitch: yes?
[01:23] <ajmitch> @ubuntu.com shoujld work
[01:23] <StrikeForce> can you make dh_install make all files it transfers +x ? like install
[01:23] <tseng> after mdz adds me to members
[01:23] <ajmitch> you're not in there yet?
[01:23] <tseng> no.
[01:24] <siretart> tseng: you need to upload your signed CoC to launchpad
[01:24] <tseng> I DID ROFLZ
[01:24] <siretart> tseng: then you become Ubuntite
[01:24] <siretart> perhaps your sig was disabled (that was my problem)
[01:25] <tseng> siretart: the problem is that ive done all this maybe 6 months ago
[01:25] <tseng> we didnt use launchpad then
[01:25] <tseng> which is fine, ill do it again in the name of progress
[01:25] <tseng> except there is none yet
[01:26] <tseng> launchpad so far just gets in my way
[01:26] <siretart> well, I see your point. Had the same problems..
[01:28] <tseng> i get them instantly using gmail
[01:51] <ajmitch> mm, nz election is rather evenly split
[01:52] <sivang> can you guys help me out? the package is gnome-panel, and I'm trying to cdbs-edit-patch 12_autotools,
[01:52] <sivang> Applying already existing patch to edit directory at level 0 1 2 failure
[01:52] <sivang> does happen with any of the patches before that one
[01:52] <sivang> (for instance, 09_lpi_src)
[01:53] <tseng> dpatch has a --before-patch or something
[01:53] <\sh> sivang: what do u want to do with autotools patch?
[01:53] <sivang> \sh: I just need to update it
[01:54] <sivang> \sh: (which worked before, in the same exact wayt)
[01:54] <tseng>    Create a new patch to be applied after an existing patch.
[01:54] <tseng>        $ dpatch-edit-patch patch 95_newupstreamfix 90_ctrlkeyfix
[01:56] <sivang> tseng: ut's using dpatch??
[01:56] <tseng> no
[01:56] <tseng> but cdbs-edit-patch is based on dpatch
[01:56] <tseng> i was suggesting you look for a similar feature
[01:56] <sivang> so, I need to invoke it the same as dpatch ?
[01:56] <sivang> (provide the last patch I want applied)
[01:56] <tseng> "maybe"/
[01:57] <sivang> I see
[01:57] <tseng> it would be nice if it had a manpage
[01:57] <sivang> Weird, this has never happened to me before - plus I am trying to keep all the configure result changes inside the same 12_autotools.patch , seb128 doesn't like several patches for confiugre cahnges..
[01:57] <sivang> sure would
[01:58] <sivang> maybe we can make one?
[01:58] <\sh> sivang: why not removing 12_autotools and make a newone ;)
[01:59] <sivang> \sh: hrm, could work, but I don't want to loose other's changes int here..
[01:59] <sivang> s/here/there/
[01:59] <\sh> sivang: this is the autogenerated stuff..
[01:59] <\sh> sivang: all serious changes are normally Makefile.am and configure.in/configure.ac
[02:00] <sivang> \sh: ok, I'll give it a try
[02:00] <\sh> so u have to dpatch-edit-patch 12_newautotools 11_panel_addto_dialog
[02:00] <\sh> which means last patch is 11
[02:01] <sivang> but it doesn't use dpatch...
[02:01] <sivang> simple-patchsys
[02:01] <\sh> a
[02:02] <\sh> ah
[02:02] <\sh> more easy
[02:02] <\sh> do something like this
[02:02] <\sh> untar orig.tar.gz -> mv orig.dir orig.dir.patch
[02:02] <\sh> untar orig.tar.gz
[02:02] <\sh> apply patches up to 11 to orig.dir and orig.dir.patch
[02:02] <\sh> patch orig.dir.patch
[02:03] <\sh> with your stuff, regenerate autocrap
[02:03] <\sh> diff -ur orig.dir orig.dir.patch
[02:03] <\sh> this cdbs-edit-patch thing never worked correctly for me ;)
[02:05] <sivang> I see, well , it worked so good for me that I got too used to working with it =)
[02:06] <nickm_> #ubuntu-motu
[02:13] <persia> I've stopped chasing Malone, and am working on .desktop files.  Not hearing anything in #ubuntu-bugs, I thought I'd ask here if anyone has any objections to using the output of the menu-xdg menu-method to autogenerate these?  Also, does anyone have any suggestions as to the best way to attach these to the apps that need them?
[02:18] <cogumbreiro> lo all
[02:31] <ajmitch> still people around to handle #ubuntu-bugs? new people showing up, and I'm going off to sleep :)
[02:32] <persia> ajmitch: sleep well.
[02:33] <nickm_> ajmitch, what needs 'handleing' ?
[02:34] <ajmitch> persia: if you want to introduce the new people to what to do? :)
[02:34] <nickm_> me = new people :)
[02:34] <persia> ajmitch: Sure.  I'm not far behind you, but I can send out another freindly note.
[02:35] <persia> nickm_: Today, you could help best on #ubuntu-bugs
[02:35] <nickm_> im there
[03:08] <bddebian> Heya gang
[03:08] <persia> bddebian: Good morning!  About #1519; it still depends on xmms :(  Looks like something with $(shlibs)
[03:09] <bddebian> Hmm
[03:10] <bddebian> So if bmp is there it still wants xmms?
[03:11] <persia> bddebian: Something like that.  No worries: no rush.  Just wanted to let you know before I went to sleep.
[03:12] <bddebian> Hmm, OK, thx
[03:46] <sivang> tseng: meh, wiping 12_autotools and creating it from scratch won't work
[03:47] <sivang> tseng: it's screws some of the panel-addto foo
[04:03] <\sh> laying down for an hour
[04:08] <ogra> is anyone in here using a xinerama setup ?
[05:23] <dcraven> Hey dholbach
[05:24] <bddebian> Later gang
[05:26] <dholbach> hey dcraven
[06:14] <zyga> ogra: yes, me
[06:21] <zyga> okay could someone remind me who can sign me up as REVU uploader?
[06:22] <dholbach> zyga: siretart, wiki.ubuntu.com/REVU has the details
[06:23] <zyga> dholbach: he's gone ATM
[06:27] <ivoks> hi
[06:27] <ivoks> in our migrationtools every perl script has require 'migrate_common.ph';
[06:27] <ivoks> but that file isn't in @INC
[06:28] <ivoks> so, should we change every script and requier absoluth path or copy that file somewhere else? :)
[06:30] <ivoks> ok... :)
[07:13] <\sh> re
[07:19] <\sh> hmmm...didn't someone say he can watch the go-open-movies with totem and gstreamer?
[07:21] <dholbach> yeah
[07:21] <dholbach> i can
[07:22] <dholbach> gstreamer-plugins-multiverse
[07:22] <dholbach> :)
[07:22] <\sh> i can't installed all plugins
[07:22] <tseng> slomo_++
[07:22] <dholbach> \sh: what exactly goes wrong?
[07:23] <\sh> dholbach: ** Message: don't know how to handle video/mpeg, mpegversion=(int)4, systemstream=(boolean)false, codec_data=(buffer)000001b001000001b58913000001000000012000c4f9616d8800cd0f042c1443000001b246466d706567302e342e392d707265316234373336, width=(int)480, height=(int)352, framerate=(double)25
[07:24] <dholbach> you said you couldn't install all plugins?
[07:25] <\sh> argl
[07:25] <\sh> i installed all plugins
[07:25] <\sh> with xine i can see the pictures but no sound ;)
[07:28] <dholbach> mplayer?
[07:28] <\sh> mplayer works...watching now ;)
[07:29] <dholbach> hehe
[07:29] <dholbach> see you in 6 hours or something
[07:29] <dholbach> ;)
[07:29] <\sh> the host is gay right ? ,-)
[07:29] <tseng> wow
[07:32] <dholbach> the host is SO funny :)
[07:32] <\sh> yes :)
[07:44] <\sh> really good show..we need this show in germany as well
[07:52] <\sh> wow
[07:59] <siretart> \sh: what show are you watching again?
[08:00] <\sh> go-open
[08:00] <\sh> www.go-opensource.org
[08:01] <siretart> ah
[08:44] <\sh> bmonty_laptop: ping
[09:27] <ivoks> ok, anyone did printing recently on ubuntu?
[09:43] <\sh> serpentine crash
[09:44] <\sh> when accessing the menue
[09:44] <\sh> menu even
[09:45] <ivoks> evince's print dialog doesn't look good :/
[09:45] <ivoks> one can't choose pages for printing... it's all or nothing
[09:47] <ivoks> serpentine works ok here
[09:50] <\sh> new version from today? dholbachs upload from today?
[09:52] <\sh> hey dholbach
[09:53] <dholbach> re :)
[09:54] <\sh> *yawn* I think I will go early to bed today....watching the rest of go-open ;)
[09:55] <dholbach> :)
[10:01] <\sh> http://www.adobe.com/products/acrobat/distribute.html
[10:01] <\sh> what I said yesterday
[10:36] <dholbach> i'm off - see you guys
[10:37] <ivoks> by
[11:17] <sistpoty> hi folks
[11:17] <bddebian> Heya sistpoty