[12:04] <Mez> Riddell, you already do have access to katapult svn
[12:04] <Riddell> Mez: berlios svn+ssh doesn't like my password
[12:04] <Mez> lol
[12:05] <Riddell> ?
[12:05] <Mez> I cant do anything if that's the case
[12:05] <Mez> you should have access it's all set up this end
[12:08] <Riddell> hmm, suspect it's a ssh key issue then
[12:08] <Riddell> refreshed.  6 hours to see if it'll work
[12:12] <Mez> lol
[12:12] <Mez> just upload your key through the wenbsite
[12:12] <Mez> or something
[12:12] <Mez> or use your berlios password
[12:12] <Mez> if your berlios and your ssh key are different, try both
[12:12] <Mez> I can never teell the sdifference between ther prompts for them
[12:19] <Riddell> Mez: could you apt-get install kde-guidance and see if the modules appear in systemsettings?
[12:19] <Riddell> or anyone else who is still awake
[12:20] <Riddell> do an apt-get update first
[12:23] <Tm_T> :/
[12:23] <Tm_T> I wish I could
[12:24] <Riddell> Tm_T: why can't you?
[12:25] <Tm_T> lack of proper connection
[12:25] <Riddell> what's improper about it?
[12:25] <Tm_T> gprs in windows machine
[12:26] <Mez> Riddell: breezy ok?
[12:26] <Tm_T> meaning, 3kt/s laggy unstable connection, and I can't get this working in linux :/
[12:26] <Mez> kt ?
[12:26] <Tm_T> kb
[12:27] <Tm_T> I hope I get my adsl soon
[12:27] <Mez> what am i looking for in system settings riddell?
[12:31] <Riddell> Mez: three extra (pixelated) icons in the bottom row
[12:31] <Mez> The following extra packages will be installed:
[12:31] <Mez>   python-kde3 python2.4-kde3 python2.4-qt3 python2.4-sip4-qt3
[12:31] <Mez> Suggested packages:
[12:31] <Mez>   python-qt3-doc
[12:31] <Mez> The following NEW packages will be installed:
[12:31] <Mez>   python-kde3 python2.4-kde3 python2.4-qt3 python2.4-sip4-qt3
[12:31] <Mez> The following packages will be upgraded:
[12:31] <Mez>   kde-guidance
[12:31] <Mez> 1 upgraded, 4 newly installed, 0 to remove and 2 not upgraded.
[12:32] <Riddell> mm hmm
[12:33] <Mez> Riddell: I dont know if they're extra, buyt I have 2 pixelated icons on the bottom row
[12:33] <Mez> actually
[12:33] <Mez> 3
[12:33] <Mez> disk and filesystemes, users and groups, and system services
[12:33] <Riddell> groovy
[12:33] <Riddell> thanks
[12:33] <Mez> though
[12:33] <Riddell> actually try clicking on one, see if it complains
[12:33] <Mez> "the module systemservices could not be loaded"
[12:33] <Riddell> gah
[12:34] <Mez> "library files for libpython2.4.so" not in path
[12:35] <Riddell> what happens when you run serviceconfig from the command line?
[12:35] <Mez> one sec
[12:36] <Mez> you just need a Depends: python2.4-dev
[12:36] <Mez> i installed it and it works now
[12:36] <Riddell> huh?
[12:36] <Mez> I just ran
[12:36] <Riddell> weird, what does that add?
[12:36] <Mez> /usr/lib/libpython2.4.so
[12:37] <Mez> :P
[12:38] <Mez> mez@apathy:~$ dpkg -L python2.4-dev | grep so
[12:38] <Mez> /usr/lib/python2.4/doc/tools/mksourcepkg
[12:38] <Mez> /usr/include/python2.4/classobject.h
[12:38] <Mez> /usr/lib/python2.4/config/libpython2.4.so
[12:38] <Mez> /usr/lib/libpython2.4.so
[12:38] <Mez> mez@apathy:~$        
[12:38] <Mez> I'm really confused as to how I knew that would work ....
[12:38] <Mez> o_O
[12:55] <Mez> Riddell, gpg --export-key --armor keyid | apt-key add -
[12:58] <Riddell> Mez: mmm, now I just need to work out how to correcly sign these things
[12:58] <Mez> Apt-repos?
[12:59] <Mez> I can help with that
[12:59] <Mez> It's not that hard
[12:59] <Mez> but it's a shame you dont have my old one
[01:00] <Mez> do you have your old Packages.gz thing?
[01:00] <Mez> I used that as my base script :D
[01:01] <Riddell> old Packages.gz thing?
[01:01] <Mez> the thing that for hoary-341 used to generate the packages.gz for you
[01:02] <Riddell> http://kubuntu.org/kde35beta1/ARCHIVE
[01:04] <Mez> Ridell: thats near enough right...
[01:05] <Mez> except you just need a couple of things at the top to set the distro and stuff right for the Release files
[01:05] <Tm_T> Mez: you're some kind of wizard? :o
[01:06] <Tm_T> ;p
[01:06] <Mez> Tm_T ???
[01:06] <Tm_T> joking :p
[01:06] <Mez> yeah, i know, I just didnt get it
[01:07] <Mez> Origin: Ubuntu
[01:07] <Mez> Label: Ubuntu
[01:07] <Mez> Suite: hoary-backports
[01:07] <Mez> Version: 5.04
[01:07] <Mez> Codename: hoary
[01:07] <Mez> Architectures: i386 amd64 powerpc
[01:07] <Mez> Components: main restricted universe multiverse
[01:07] <Mez> Description: Ubuntu Hoary Backports
[01:07] <Mez> that sort of thing
[01:07] <Tm_T> never saw riddell asking help before, I think you are precious to us, very good :)
[01:08] <Mez> lol - Riddell asks for help a lot of the times
[01:09] <Riddell> I always ask Mez for help, he's my saviour
[01:09] <Mez> but, usually it's just on those little annoyi9ng things that you cant learn unless somone tells you, or you've done it before
[01:09] <Mez> lol
[01:09] <Mez> and usually, I've done it before
[01:09] <Tm_T> good to have you here :)
[01:09] <Mez> Riddell, you trying to get me to buy your drinks at UBZ?  :P
[01:11] <Mez> Riddell: I'm actually going to have a shufty through the apt-ftparchive man page- do you have anywhere I can rsync that archive?
[01:13] <Riddell> http://kubuntu.org/~jr/kde35beta1.tar.gz
[01:13] <Riddell> 363MB
[01:14] <Mez> Length: 419,154,234 (400M) [application/x-tar] 
[01:14] <Riddell> mm, yes
[01:15] <Riddell> Failed to fetch http://kubuntu.org/kde35beta1/dists/breezy/Release  Unable to find expected entry  main/binary-i386/Packages in Meta-index file (malformed Release file?)
[01:15] <Riddell> that's not good
[01:16] <Mez> yeah
[01:16] <Mez> one sec
[01:16] <Tm_T> uh, that's not good
[01:16] <Tm_T> I mean, when Riddell says "that's not good" ;p
[01:17] <Tm_T> like "you never wanna hear your sysadmin saying 'nice smoke'"
[01:18] <Mez> Ridell: if you have packages.bz2/packages.gz - you still need your regular packages aswell
[01:18] <Riddell> well, I'm sure worse things could happen
[01:18] <Riddell> Mez: don't see why, I've never had to have a Packages file before it was signed
[01:19] <Mez> ridell: have you just added it in?
[01:19] <Mez> or was it there before?
[01:20] <Riddell> W: Conflicting distribution: http://kubuntu.org breezy Release (expected breezy but got )
[01:20] <Riddell> I just added it
[01:20] <Riddell> now I get an all new error
[01:22] <Mez> one sec
[01:22] <Mez> did you manually generate that RElease file?
[01:23] <Riddell> no
[01:23] <Riddell> used the command in that ARCHIVE script
[01:23] <Riddell> along with the apt.conf file
[01:24] <Riddell> aah, hang on
[01:25] <Mez> ah, you've managed to get an apt.conf working
[01:25] <Mez> you should just have that in seperate bits though
[01:26] <Riddell> think it's all sorted now
[01:26] <Riddell> at least for breezy
[01:27] <Riddell> hello m-fox 
[01:27] <Mez> W: Conflicting distribution: http://kubuntu.org breezy Release (expected breezy but got )
[01:27] <m-fox> hi
[01:27] <Mez> W: GPG error: http://kubuntu.org breezy Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG A506E6D4DD4D5088 Jonathan Riddell <jriddell@ubuntu.com>
[01:28] <Riddell> Mez: try and apt-get update
[01:28] <Mez> I'm getting that error
[01:28] <Mez> W: GPG error: http://kubuntu.org breezy Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG A506E6D4DD4D5088 Jonathan Riddell <jriddell@ubuntu.com>
[01:28] <Riddell> you probably need my key
[01:29] <Mez> I do have it
[01:29] <Riddell> in apt?
[01:29] <Mez> mez@apathy:~$ sudo apt-key list
[01:29] <Mez> /etc/apt/trusted.gpg
[01:29] <Mez> --------------------
[01:29] <Mez> pub   1024D/437D05B5 2004-09-12
[01:29] <Mez> uid                  Ubuntu Archive Automatic Signing Key <ftpmaster@ubuntu.com>
[01:29] <Mez> sub   2048g/79164387 2004-09-12
[01:29] <Mez> pub   1024D/FBB75451 2004-12-30
[01:30] <Mez> uid                  Ubuntu CD Image Automatic Signing Key <cdimage@ubuntu.com>
[01:30] <Mez> pub   1024D/496242EC 2005-08-05
[01:30] <Mez> uid                  Martin Meredith (Archive Signing Key) <martin@sourceguru.net>
[01:30] <Mez> pub   1024D/DD4D5088 2001-10-09
[01:30] <Mez> uid                  Jonathan Riddell <jriddell@ubuntu.com>
[01:30] <Mez> uid                  Jonathan Riddell <jr@jriddell.org>
[01:30] <Mez> uid                  Jonathan Riddell (University Address) <jri@jriddell.org>
[01:30] <Mez> sub   1024g/D9F04547 2001-10-09
[01:30] <Mez> fixed now
[01:30] <Mez> but your deb-src is still ballsed
[01:31] <Mez> Failed to fetch http://kubuntu.org/kde35beta1/dists/breezy/Release  Unable to find expected entry  main/source/Sources in Meta-index file (malformed Release file?)
[01:31] <Mez> isa it safe to update to 3.5 in breezy?
[01:32] <Riddell> or right, need to do the Sources as well (and hoary)
[01:32] <Riddell> s/or/oh/
[01:32] <Riddell> yes, 3.5 seems pretty safe
[01:32] <Mez> wehats now?
[01:32] <Mez> new *
[01:33] <Mez> it's officially betya now?
[01:33] <Riddell> it's not been released yet
[01:34] <Mez> but, thats the beta?
[01:34] <Riddell> yes
[01:35] <Riddell> unless the beta stuff is changed for the qt 3.3.5 brokenness
[01:35] <Mez> tsk tsk
[01:35] <Mez> lol
[01:35] <Riddell> why tsk?
[01:35] <Mez> you shouldnt be giving it out
[01:35] <Mez> dont you have an NDA? :P
[01:35] <Riddell> it's not linked from anywhere
[01:36] <Mez> lol
[01:36] <Mez> I bet you I can find somewhere
[01:37] <Mez> http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs/kubuntu-devel-current.html
[01:37] <Mez> :P
[01:41] <Mez> I thought september 13th was the beta release date?
[01:41] <Mez> brb
[01:41] <Tm_T> friday 13th ...
[01:44] <Mez> a few noticeable changes
[01:45] <Mez> KDE 3.4.91? 
[01:45] <Riddell> yep
[01:45] <Mez> lol
[01:45] <Mez> the task manager is gonna take a little getting used to
[01:45] <Mez> what with like... no borders around the window
[01:45] <Mez> but, it does look sleek
[01:47] <Riddell> task manager?
[01:48] <Mez> yeah
[01:49] <Mez> ah yes
[01:49] <Tm_T> Ksysguard
[01:49] <Mez> I can see the thing
[01:49] <Tm_T> ?
[01:49] <Mez> change from elegant to classic to get it back
[01:52] <Mez> brb
[01:54] <Mez> nice fix on the systemsettings bug btw
[01:54] <Riddell> Mez: which bug?
[01:55] <Mez> the maximised window thing
[01:57] <Mez> sweet
[01:57] <Mez> amarok 1.3
[01:57] <crimsun> 1.3.1.
[01:57] <Mez> I've been looking forward to this
[01:58] <Mez> when does KDE move away from arts btw
[01:58] <crimsun> has already begun afaik
[01:58] <Mez> just wondering cause it's still using arts for me
[01:58] <crimsun> amarok 1.3.1 works fine with gstreamer
[01:59] <Tm_T> gst is teh engine :)
[01:59] <Mez> so why is arts still in kcontrol
[01:59] <Tm_T> just waiting alsasink-comeback
[02:03] <Riddell> Mez: KDE 3.4 still has arts, I've heard rumours that for 3.5 you can just use akode, no idea if that's true or not
[02:03] <Riddell> otherwise KDE 4
[02:04] <Riddell> SuSE allegedly have backported the KDE 4 kdemm stuff to KDE 3 too
[02:04] <Tm_T> akode ...
[02:04] <Tm_T> never tried that
[02:09] <Riddell> Mez: why don't you like arts?
[02:09] <Mez> arts breaks a lot
[02:09] <Mez> well
[02:09] <Riddell> and gstreamer dosen't :)
[02:09] <Mez> I dislike artsdsp
[02:09] <Mez> :D
[02:09] <Mez> it segfaults on me way too much
[02:27] <Riddell> sebas: is pykde extentions going to go into SVN?
[02:33] <_tonio> I there ;)
[02:33] <_tonio> I need help of a specialist ;)
[02:33] <_tonio> I have a package that compiles perfectly with ./ configure && make && make install
[02:34] <_tonio> but it fails with pbuilder.... It is the third package that has this kind of problem in 3 days and I start wondering if it is not a pbuilder bug, or I don't know ;)
[02:36] <Riddell> _tonio: what's the failure?
[02:36] <Riddell> what happens if you just use debuild ?
[02:36] <_tonio> the failure is a non found file
[02:37] <_tonio> let me try with debuild :)
[02:38] <_tonio> Riddell: I just discovered the amazing possibilities of aptitude, but why on earth is it the only dpkg frontend that manages correctly with deps ?
[02:38] <_tonio> will adept manage package removal correctly ?
[02:42] <Riddell> _tonio: aptitude saves what an install brings in doesn't it?  adept doesn't currently do that but bugs.kde.org is your friend
[02:45] <_tonio> yes that is a real pleasure to use this.... I discovered that today, and I was thinking tat aptitude was just a kind of shortcut to apt ;)
[02:46] <_tonio> I'll ask that with the exporting/importing function :) Synaptic should perform this too, amazing that only aptitude does that
[02:46] <_tonio> Riddell: same problem with debuild
[02:46] <Riddell> _tonio: it's probably the package not liking build-directory != source directory
[02:47] <_tonio> Riddell: I have seen this twice before.... what to do in this case ?
[02:48] <Riddell> _tonio: moan to upstream
[02:48] <_tonio> new version of klibido has the problem also, and briquolo (great 3d breakout) also...
[02:49] <_tonio> okay, so I have to ask to the upstream to check for this ;)
[02:49] <Riddell> _tonio: it's probably faily easy to fix if you can play with the code
[02:49] <Riddell> fairly
[02:49] <_tonio> of course ;)
[02:49] <Riddell> _tonio: send me a source package and I'll take a look
[02:50] <_tonio> courtesy, fairly, polite and respectfull ^^
[02:50] <_tonio> okay
[02:51] <Riddell> anyone got breezy able to try the new knetworkconf?
[02:54] <_tonio> I may if you want ;)
[02:54] <_tonio> Riddell:  do you want to talk about the network mask bug ?
[02:55] <_tonio> Riddell: http://www.planetemu.net/temp/tellico_riddell.tar.gz -> the package not building correctly
[02:57] <apokryphos> Admin mode switch a.o.k. -- the icon on that kdesu(type) looks pretty bad. Small icon made huge.
[02:57] <apokryphos> could be because I don't have latest (as in, last few days kde packs). Might as well install now actually.
[02:58] <Riddell> apokryphos: knetworkconf?
[02:58] <apokryphos> yes
[02:58] <apokryphos> systemsettings -> network settings
[02:58] <Riddell> apokryphos: that's known.  but it doesn't pop up a nasty box saying disto not supported?
[02:58] <apokryphos> Riddell: not anymore, nope (I remember that happening)
[02:59] <_tonio> Riddell: admin switching works, trying to go with fixed parameters
[02:59] <Riddell> apokryphos: excellent, thanks
[03:01] <apokryphos> Hm, doesn't detect my network again, but app is working (used to crash/refuse to go away, as I recall)
[03:01] <Riddell> _tonio: why do you capitalise your last name?
[03:01] <_tonio> still here ?
[03:01] <_tonio> Riddell: still that old bug.....
[03:02] <_tonio> broascast invalid when you swtich to manual config
[03:02] <Riddell> _tonio: which?
[03:02] <Riddell> _tonio: grr
[03:02] <_tonio> you can put what you want you always get a /8
[03:02] <_tonio> here is the ifconfig result when in dhcp
[03:03] <_tonio> eth0      Lien encap:Ethernet  HWaddr 00:30:1B:AD:3D:E4
[03:03] <_tonio>           inet adr:82.226.229.51  Bcast:82.255.255.255  Masque:255.255.255.0
[03:03] <_tonio> here is the problem, I should get a 82.x.x.255 with a /24 mask right ?
[03:04] <_tonio> and that's what I get with dhcp and exactly the same config appart from that:
[03:04] <_tonio> eth0      Lien encap:Ethernet  HWaddr 00:30:1B:AD:3D:E4
[03:04] <_tonio>           inet adr:82.226.229.51  Bcast:82.226.229.255  Masque:255.255.255.0
[03:04] <_tonio> which is correct
[03:05] <_tonio> the problem is well known and has been reported with a fix build by another distribution maintainers... I think it is a problem with all debian based distros (mepis etc...)
[03:05] <_tonio> Riddell: never eared about that issue ?
[03:08] <_tonio> Riddell: <_tonio> here is the ifconfig result when in dhcp -> read "not in dhcp" for the first case ;)
[03:09] <_tonio> Riddell: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=39098&highlight=knetworkconf+fixed ----> link with ASLinux fixed package repporting that problem ;)
[03:16] <_tonio> Riddell: in fact there are 2 bugs, 1 -> default gateway is not saved, 2 - > broadcast is invalid (reguarding to the network mask
[03:27] <_tonio> hi JRe 
[03:27] <JRe> hi _tonio !!!
[03:28] <_tonio> franais ?
[03:28] <JRe> oui :)
[03:28] <_tonio> JRe: j'ai comme un doute sur le pseudo la;) c'est avec toi que j'ai discutt une bonne heure sur active directory non ?
[03:28] <JRe> oui c moi
[03:29] <_tonio> oki bon aller une minute en francais, j'ai une question et la flemme de causer en anglais ;)
[03:29] <_tonio> comment on peut compiler un package pour REVU qui a des dependences en multiverse ?
[03:29] <_tonio> le serveur ne pourra pas packager..... j'ai pas encore trouv de soluce  ca
[03:30] <JRe> effectivement tu peux pas je pense
[03:30] <_tonio> bah voui, mais c'est relou quoi ;) les motus sont pas trop dispos pour m'expliker quoi faire en ce moment ;)
[03:31] <_tonio> ca existe pas master of the multiverse ? ;)
[03:32] <JRe> :)
[03:32] <JRe> non
[03:33] <_tonio> rah, fait chier ^^
[03:33] <_tonio> quoi de neuf ? moi ca package dur la ce WE, j'en ai au moins 23 sur le feu la ;) je blance la sauce avant breezy quoi ;)
[10:31] <pef> hello
[10:32] <author_> hello
[01:05] <elvirolo> hi all
[01:05] <elvirolo> anyone around?
[01:05] <\sh> yes ;)
[01:06] <\sh> Riddell: ping french translation?
[01:08] <elvirolo> :)
[01:47] <mitsuhiko> \sh: ping
[01:52] <\sh> mitsuhiko: pong
[01:53] <mitsuhiko> \sh: kann es sein, dass libdvcdcss vor einem monat in multiverse war?
[01:53] <\sh> nein
[01:53] <\sh> argl..no i mean
[01:53] <mitsuhiko> \sh: it's installed in one of my breezy machines
[01:53] <mitsuhiko> and there is only restricted, main, universe and multiverse
[01:56] <\sh> mitsuhiko: there is no upload of libdvdcss
[01:56] <mitsuhiko> strange
[04:31] <OculusAquilae> Riddell: about katapult: Am I right, that you don't have integrated the patch of Revision 8 (svn) "small bugfix" in the breezy package?
[04:37] <Mez> OculusAquilae, katapult is working nicely here :d
[04:37] <OculusAquilae> Mez: at my box, too, but I have a little bug in the config dialog
[04:38] <Mez> oh yeah, that needs integrating too
[04:38] <OculusAquilae> and Revision 8 is the solution for this problem :-)
[04:39] <OculusAquilae> I have also a modified systray_optional.diff 
[04:45] <jpatrick> Katapult rocks :D
[04:45] <OculusAquilae> jpatrick: it does
[04:46] <\sh> I don't see the damn memleak in amarok1.3.1
[05:43] <JRe> is it normal that superkaramba depends on xmms ?
[05:44] <OculusAquilae> JRe: i didn't know why
[05:44] <JRe> strange
[05:45] <JRe> OculusAquilae: how can i access to the config window of katapult ?
[05:45] <OculusAquilae> CTRL+C
[06:00] <jpatrick> doesn't Ctrl-C == copy ?
[06:02] <author_> jpatrick: run katapult with alt+space then spress crtl+c
[06:04] <OculusAquilae> jpatrick: yes, CTRL+C does many things
[06:14] <author_> Display blocked JavaScript popups in kde 3.5 konqueror O_O
[06:15] <author_> http://developer.kde.org/development-versions/kde-3.5-features.html
[06:18] <Tm_T> hey Mez &co :)
[06:26] <Mez> hi
[08:05] <Verwilst> hi Riddell 
[08:05] <Verwilst> what's the status on the 3.5 debs?
[08:11] <apokryphos> Verwilst: he may respond with an update later, but so far kdebase, kdelibs, kdeutils, and kdetoys are in
[08:14] <Verwilst> apokryphos: url?
[08:14] <Verwilst> i can compile too tomorrow
[08:15] <jpatrick> my computer's too slow for compiling
[08:15] <apokryphos> Verwilst:  http://kubuntu.org/~jr/kde35beta1/
[08:16] <jpatrick> arts is in too
[08:18] <apokryphos> well, yeah. :)
[08:18] <Verwilst> http://kubuntu.org/~jr/kde35beta1/pool-hoary/kdelibs/ is empty?
[08:18] <Verwilst> kdebase only has 3 apps
[08:18] <jpatrick> Verwilst: yep
[08:19] <jpatrick> same for breezy
[08:19] <Verwilst> how come? ;)
[08:19] <apokryphos> Only the packs required for building other kde parts have been put in
[08:20] <Verwilst> oh :
[08:20] <apokryphos> Verwilst: and you can help build, too. Ask Riddell when he comes, if you like.
[08:20] <apokryphos> =)
[08:21] <Verwilst> well, i started building it a couple of weeks ago
[08:21] <Verwilst> i had arts built
[08:21] <Verwilst> but kdelibs didn't feel like building :$
[08:21] <apokryphos> Verwilst: there's plenty others to do, of course :P
[08:21] <Verwilst> oh
[08:21] <Verwilst> but that was the alpha!
[08:22] <apokryphos> Oh. Beta1 now :)
[08:23] <Verwilst> ;)