[12:02] <gdh> :)
[12:03] <Foodcoman> Eye full of oil????  dont hear that every day.
[12:03] <nikki2> Foodcoman: you obviously don't know many (non-dumb) women :)
[12:03] <nikki2> Foodcoman: best makeup remover on the planet is..... baby oil
[12:03] <nikki2> (its also the cheapest)
[12:03] <Foodcoman> Hrmm not even sure what my wife uses.
[12:04] <nikki2> 6UKP for a box of 30 makeup wipes... or 30p for a 1L bottle of baby oil? hmmmm
[12:04] <Foodcoman> What a woman, Online and cleaning her makeup off....   Thats dedication!
[12:04] <nikki2> Foodcoman: erm, no, i cleaned it off a while ago :P
[12:05] <nalioth> Abdul_Mueid: messing with your glibc version is a sure way to mess up your box
[12:05] <crimsun> Abdul_Mueid: 50%
[12:05] <Abdul_Mueid> i guess I take a coin and let it decide :P
[12:05] <crimsun> don't say we didn't warn you.
[12:05] <crimsun> I _strongly_ recommend you don't do that.
[12:06] <nikki2> crimsun: i remember the old days when *running ldconfig* was a serious risk of screwing your PC :)
[12:06] <Abdul_Mueid> OK, you win
[12:06] <gdh> Abdul_Mueid:changing glibc is like pissing about with KERNEL32 in windows... :)
[12:06] <Abdul_Mueid> lol... ok
[12:06] <Abdul_Mueid> i already tried to get a mandrake RPM and make an alien deb... didn't work
[12:07] <crimsun> oh geez
[12:07] <Foodcoman> nikki2: Must be evening where you are at!  Here it is only 3:07pm
[12:07] <nikki2> Foodcoman: 23:06 here
[12:07] <crimsun> ok, let me break it down: there are two critical components of your system, the kernel and libc6. Do not mess with either unless you really know what you're doing.
[12:07] <Abdul_Mueid> crimsun, it aborted right at the beginning
[12:07] <Foodcoman> Europa?
[12:07] <Abdul_Mueid> ok sir, roger that
[12:07] <nikki2> Foodcoman: UK
[12:08] <Foodcoman> a Sarnie sounds good about now.
[12:08] <Foodcoman> Not sure how to spell it.
[12:08] <gdh> mm bacon in the fridge :)
[12:08] <gdh> ... tempted...
[12:08] <Abdul_Mueid> I actually installed kubuntu yesterday, and there isn't much installed on it anyway
[12:08] <nikki2> Foodcoman: i & t :P
[12:09] <Abdul_Mueid> that's y i was thinking about giving it a shot
[12:09] <Foodcoman> Today for lunch!  French rolls, halfed, buttered and toasted in a skillet.
[12:10] <gdh> we also have fresh bread from the breadmaker - so I'm doubly tempted.
[12:10] <Foodcoman> Then I cut some roasted turkey and Roast beef.  Lightly browned in the skillet.
[12:10] <elvirolo> hi all
[12:10] <Foodcoman> Yellow onions cooked enought to take the bite off.
[12:11] <gdh> but let's not descend to a 'my food is better than your food' discussion :)
[12:11] <elvirolo> many menu entries are missing here
[12:11] <Foodcoman> Then some sharp cheedar. Little mayo mustard.  
[12:11] <elvirolo> has anyone experienced that prob?
[12:11] <Foodcoman> My nick should speak to that a little bit eh?
[12:11] <Blissex> elvirolo: probably you :-).
[12:11] <Foodcoman> Food Company Man!
[12:11] <nikki2> elvirolo: yes, it happens when you update KDE some times
[12:12] <elvirolo> Blissex: indeed :)
[12:12] <nikki2> elvirolo: especially if you're running KDE when you update it
[12:12] <elvirolo> i did a fresh install
[12:12] <elvirolo> and deleted .kde
[12:12] <Blissex> elvirolo: run 'update-mus' (can't remember if it is in Ubuntu though).
[12:12] <Blissex> elvirolo: the global menus are in '/etc/xdg/...' something BTW
[12:13] <nikki2> (part of KDE monitors apps being removed, it sees the old ones going, and removes the menu items, but it takes it longer than it takes for the updated version to get inserted into the menus)
[12:13] <Blissex> elvirolo: and/or run the sycoca rebuild.
[12:13] <nikki2> elvirolo: if you run kappfinder, it may well find them all again
[12:13] <Blissex> ah 'kappfinder', nice to know.
[12:13] <elvirolo> but .....
[12:13] <elvirolo> i shouldn't have to bother about that!
[12:13] <elvirolo> it should be done automatically
[12:14] <elvirolo> (thanks, btw :)
[12:14] <nikki2> elvirolo: its 'automatically' that causes it :P
[12:14] <nikki2> this is what happens when people demand 'automatic' things, you get weird timing problems
[12:14] <elvirolo> well
[12:14] <elvirolo> simple :
[12:14] <_andreas> hi guys; any of you know how to make konqueror display images in their correct scale when browsing?
[12:14] <nikki2> if KDE didn't remove menu items for apps that have been deleted, automatically, you'd not have this problem :)
[12:15] <elvirolo> i did a fresh install, and many menu entries are missing *from the base install*
[12:15] <elvirolo> what can i do against that ?
[12:15] <nikki2> elvirolo: that is a bit more worrying
[12:15] <elvirolo> it is so irritating
[12:15] <nikki2> elvirolo: just run kappfinder, it doesn't happen often
[12:15] <elvirolo> nikki2: kappfinder can't find all the entries (like thunderbird)
[12:16] <BROKEN_LADDER> does kde include some daemon or something to automount usb hard drives and such?
[12:16] <BROKEN_LADDER> gnome had that..hal i think it was called
[12:17] <elvirolo> i'm so fed up with kubuntu
[12:17] <nikki2> elvirolo: are you sure you have reinstalled thunderbird ?
[12:17] <elvirolo> i fill in bug reports, but nobody cares about them
[12:17] <elvirolo> nikki2: yes
[12:17] <nikki2> elvirolo: well, this isn't likely to be a kubuntu bug, its a KDE bug
[12:18] <BROKEN_LADDER> i wish i could have the best of gnome and kde in one de
[12:18] <elvirolo> well it's even worse with kde bug reports
[12:18] <elvirolo> and qt-gtk engine doesn't work
[12:18] <anachronism> hi, does anybody know if it is possible to turn of the desktop-switching via CTRL+TAB ? I tried doing so in the system settings, but somehow the deactivated setting seems to be ignored. I wanted to use CTRL+TAB in Firefox for switching between tabs, but i can't use it with that destop-menu popping up everytime i press it
[12:18] <elvirolo> i'm so sick and tired of these buggy systems
[12:18] <nikki2> anachronism: yes
[12:19] <Blissex> anachronism: yes.
[12:19] <BROKEN_LADDER> can anyone help me mount my usb hard drive ?
[12:19] <BROKEN_LADDER> it is under /dev/sg1, but it says that's not a block device when i try to mount it.
[12:19] <anachronism> well cool, but how will i do this? edit some conf-file?
[12:19] <Blissex> elvirolo: they are not buggy, at least not at the n00b level. They are just incomplete.
[12:20] <nikki2> anachronism: no, its an option in the control center
[12:20] <nikki2> just trying to remember where :)
[12:20] <elvirolo> Blissex: buggy, incomplete what's the difference :-D ?
[12:20] <Blissex> BROKEN_LADDER: there are very nice ''USB and/or flash drive usage'' HOWTOs...
[12:20] <elvirolo> the apps which come from the base install don't come up in the menu, this is unacceptable, even a noob level:
[12:20] <Blissex> elvirolo: the main thing about UNIX/Linux is that it only supports cetrtain devices and configurations.
[12:21] <anachronism> thanks nikki2, i thought i tried that already and it was ignored by the control center, i'll check it again now
[12:21] <Blissex> elvirolo: with other OSes the manufacturer provides support. With UNIX/Linux the kernel developers provide it.
[12:21] <nikki2> anachronism: are you setting the right one ?
[12:21] <BROKEN_LADDER> lsusb Bus 005 Device 002: ID 0e21:0600 Cowon Systems, Inc.
[12:21] <BROKEN_LADDER> a howto?
[12:21] <Blissex> elvirolo: so the correct thing is to make sure something is supported before buying it.
[12:21] <nikki2> its under... Desktop/Window Behaviour/Navigation/Traverse Windows on All Desktops
[12:21] <BROKEN_LADDER> i just want to know the fs type 
[12:22] <Blissex> BROKEN_LADDER: yes, all usb-storage devices work on the same way.
[12:22] <anachronism> ?? well awesome it worked, thanks nikki
[12:22] <kinfo> No match for "well"
[12:22] <nikki2> anachronism: however, its possible that if you also have 'show windows from all desktops' enabled for the taskbar settings, tha tit will override the navigation option
[12:23] <Blissex> BROKEN_LADDER: consider this for example: http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_USB_Mass_Storage_Device
[12:23] <anachronism> i feel pretty silly now, i was 95% sure that i tried setting the key-combination of  that option to "none" several times. well but as long as it works now i am happy
[12:23] <BROKEN_LADDER> it was sd1
[12:23] <BROKEN_LADDER> doh
[12:23] <BROKEN_LADDER> found it
[12:23] <BROKEN_LADDER> thx
[12:23] <Blissex> BROKEN_LADDER: 'sda1' more likely. Also look here for the complete story: http://linuxusbguide.sourceforge.net/USB-guide-1.0.9/x485.html
[12:24] <BROKEN_LADDER> sda1 i meant
[12:24] <BROKEN_LADDER> complete story?
[12:24] <nikki2> as long as its not uba1 you're ok :)
[12:24] <Blissex> BROKEN_LADDER: have a look :-)
[12:24] <BROKEN_LADDER> i bought a cowon iaudio u2 1gb music player.  it is sooo awesome
[12:24] <BROKEN_LADDER> plays vorbis
[12:24] <elvirolo> Blissex: i know
[12:24] <elvirolo> but this has nothing to do with what i'm talking about
[12:25] <BROKEN_LADDER> i've mounted it dude.  it's working fine
[12:25] <BROKEN_LADDER> doesn't kde have some sort of automounting system like gnome does?
[12:25] <nikki2> BROKEN_LADDER: i want a x5l...
[12:25] <BROKEN_LADDER> like hal
[12:25] <BROKEN_LADDER> nikki2 i won't get something like that until it has a flash drive.
[12:26] <BROKEN_LADDER> my u2 is just freakin sick.  it does voice recording to mp3 files.  it can record from the radio station, so if you're listening to some cool program, you can save it.
[12:26] <nikki2> BROKEN_LADDER: *shrug* i refuse to pay a premium for flash, when i've never had any problems with portable HDDs :)
[12:26] <BROKEN_LADDER> it's a usb mass storage device.
[12:26] <BROKEN_LADDER> well, they are heavy.
[12:26] <BROKEN_LADDER> my cowon u2 is about 1/10th the weight of my headphones
[12:26] <BROKEN_LADDER> did you guys see that triginometry thing on /. ??  crazy.
[12:27] <nikki2> BROKEN_LADDER: its nothing new... basically what the building trade already does, and has done for decades
[12:29] <nikki2> BROKEN_LADDER: the latest story is a bit more surprising :)
[12:30] <BROKEN_LADDER> wow!
[12:30] <BROKEN_LADDER> dell supporting a linux system
[12:31] <gdh> Dell support any flavour of Linux... as long as it's Red Hat :)
[12:31] <nikki2> gdh, pre-installing on a laptop is a different issue
[12:32] <noirequus> nikki2: you cloning today?
[12:32] <Abdul_Mueid> guys, do breezy repo's have packages for KDE?
[12:32] <nikki2> gdh, yes, they've 'supported' RHEL on their servers, they have to, because that's what most of them end up running probably...
[12:32] <noirequus> Abdul_Mueid: yes they do
[12:32] <Abdul_Mueid> thanks alot
[12:32] <nikki2> noirequus: other one is my desktop, this me is my laptop
[12:32] <Abdul_Mueid> much appreciated
[12:32] <noirequus> nikki2: this is me fixin to go to work
[12:32] <Abdul_Mueid> bye all
[12:32] <Abdul_Mueid>  :D
[12:32] <gdh> nikki2: Their support seems to run to 'have you tried the latest RH kernel with a billion shitty patches?'
[12:33] <noirequus> nikki2: i'm gonna be my other me when i get to work
[12:33] <noirequus> lol
[12:33] <nikki2> gdh, notice how i ''ed supported :)
[12:33] <noirequus> what language, my stars
[12:33] <gdh> Yis :)
[12:34] <nikki2> gdh, i think the difference is probably because, linux *is* starting to make serious inroads on the corporate desktop, in europe
[12:35] <gdh> RH kernels are fantastic - they'll say "2.4.9-EL3.69.smp" but it's patched so heavily that it bears next to nothing in common with a vanilla 2.6.9 codebase..
[12:35] <gdh> 2.4.9..
[12:35] <nikki2> gdh, i enjoyed the RHEL call i got the other week
[12:35] <nikki2> they'd bought a RHEL server 'to run J2EE', downloaded J2EE from sun, then watched as the RPM claimed libc and a million other libs weren't installed
[12:36] <BROKEN_LADDER> linux messes up its adoption when i have to struggle with /etc/fstab just to use  my freakin usb drive
[12:36] <BROKEN_LADDER> what fs type should i use for a mass storage device?
[12:36] <BROKEN_LADDER> i tried auto but that's not workin
[12:36] <nikki2> BROKEN_LADDER: whatever you want, vfat is probably a safe bet
[12:37] <Foodcoman> My 1gig Sandisk key came vfat and work fantastically.
[12:37] <Foodcoman> Funny though sync seems like its needed.
[12:37] <BROKEN_LADDER> what do you mean "whatever i want"?
[12:37] <BROKEN_LADDER> it's got an fs already
[12:38] <nikki2> BROKEN_LADDER: then its probably vfat
[12:38] <nikki2> BROKEN_LADDER: but nothing is stopping you from reformatting it :)
[12:39] <nikki2> some people may tell you that ext2/3 is a bad idea because of the inode update issues and flash life, but at the end of the day, fat is just as 'touch the disk' happy anyway, and modern flash usually does sector remapping and write spreading
[12:41] <nikki2> Foodcoman: sync just ensures that data is written immediately rather than cached, if you're happy to remember to umount before you pull it, sync shouldn't be needed
[12:41] <nikki2> personally, i use a 2s auto-umount on autofs, and it takes me more than 2 seconds to stop doing something and reach over to the card reader (integrated to my printer)
[12:41] <Foodcoman> nikki2  Great translation,  I have really noticed the cache time can be very lengthy.
[12:41] <nikki2> Foodcoman: 30 seconds, by default
[12:42] <Foodcoman> auto-mount and autofs set in fstab?
[12:42] <nikki2> Foodcoman: no, autofs is a seperate program that is a bit tricky to setup, that allows you to 'just use' a disk to mount it, and umount it when you stop using it
[12:43] <Foodcoman> Ah ok!
[12:44] <BROKEN_LADDER> nikki2 i want cross compatibility.  i want the player to work as well.
[12:44] <BROKEN_LADDER> nikki2 it probably wouldn't know how to read it's own data in another fs.
[12:44] <nikki2> coupled with some nice udev scripts, i have a system whereby *no matter what device nodes they get* i can access my ipod in /media/iPod, and my memory card reader in /media/memcard
[12:44] <BROKEN_LADDER> okay, i mounted it at /dev/sda1 then unplugged it and plugged it back in to try to mount it so that any user could edit the songs onit.
[12:45] <BROKEN_LADDER> now i don't see it showing up, although dmesg reports it.
[12:45] <nikki2> BROKEN_LADDER: did you umount it before unplugging it ?
[12:45] <BROKEN_LADDER> yeah, but why would that matter?
[12:46] <nikki2> because otherwise the system would still think it was in use, and allocate it a new device node, probably sdb1
[12:46] <nikki2> (it might have done that anyway, depending on how long you waited between unplugging and plugging)
[12:47] <BROKEN_LADDER> ttached scsi removable disk sda at scsi4, channel 0, id 0, lun 0
[12:47] <BROKEN_LADDER> Attached scsi generic sg1 at scsi4, channel 0, id 0, lun 0,  type 0
[12:48] <nikki2> BROKEN_LADDER: hmmm, that looks suspiciously like it didn't read the partition table
[12:49] <nikki2> anyway, i'm tired.. going to bed
[12:49] <Foodcoman> Good Night nikki2!
[12:50] <nikki2> night all
[12:51] <BROKEN_LADDER> doh!  i ketp typing "mount sd1" instead of sda1
[12:52] <BROKEN_LADDER> what do i need to put in fstab to give me write access to this bastaRD/
[12:55] <BROKEN_LADDER> can anyone suggest some umask to give me write access to this device?
[12:55] <Tm_T> 0111
[12:55] <Tm_T> =)
[12:55] <BROKEN_LADDER> thanks!
[12:56] <BROKEN_LADDER> or i can just mount it as myself..duh
[01:00] <Tm_T> "no you can't"
[01:00] <Tm_T> ;)
[01:08] <_andreas> kubuntu rocks ok
[01:10] <BROKEN_LADDER> oh my god.  i just put music on my flash music player using usb 2.0, and it took a second to transfer a whole album.
[01:18] <Tm_T> yup
[01:22] <Blissex> BROKEN_LADDER: a good flash device can write at around 10-15MB/s
[01:25] <BROKEN_LADDER> this is my cowon iaudio u2.
[01:25] <BROKEN_LADDER> it is bad arse
[02:07] <Delphinus> hello
[02:35] <musashi> hi everyone
[02:35] <jonorn> libdvdcss2 in breezy? what sources do I need to add?
[02:42] <Flying_Eagle> joker
[02:43] <Tm_T> AAAH!
[02:43] <Tm_T> jonorn fellow was surprisingly long here waiting answers
[02:44] <gdh> maybe he found google.
[02:44] <gdh> I doubt it, but that's how I justify it.
[02:44] <Tm_T> =)
[02:47] <Flying_Eagle> gdh, very optimistic way of thinking :)
[03:24] <moparfan90> hello
[03:25] <moparfan90> i need a program to burn CD's
[03:25] <moparfan90> .iso files
[03:25] <moparfan90> any one know one
[03:25] <Kamping_Kaiser> k3b?
[03:25] <moparfan90> i dont know is that good?
[03:26] <moparfan90> ok i have that thanks
[03:27] <apokryphos> Very good, yes.
[03:27] <Kamping_Kaiser> its suppsed to be the best app out there, but i havent used it
[03:27] <gdh> 'cdrecord' ? :)
[03:28] <Kamping_Kaiser> :P
[03:28] <moparfan90> ok i have a .iso file there and its a linux install file how do i burn it so it works? with k3b?
[03:30] <moparfan90> anyone ...please
[03:30] <apokryphos> moparfan90: yup, with K3b
[03:31] <apokryphos> moparfan90: Tools -> Burn CD Image
[03:31] <moparfan90> i know i can    how
[03:31] <moparfan90> oo
[03:31] <moparfan90> thats all
[03:31] <moparfan90> ?
[03:32] <moparfan90> then it will work?
[03:32] <moparfan90> ok
[03:32] <moparfan90> i hope
[03:33] <apokryphos> moparfan90: yes
[03:33] <apokryphos> moparfan90: select burn CD Image and select the ISO from there
[03:33] <moparfan90> ok
[03:34] <moparfan90> i did and it burning
[03:34] <Foodcoman> apokryphos: My DVD's are playing a little jerky.
[03:34] <Budda> hi.
[03:34] <Foodcoman> Improved with a sudo hdparm -d 1 /dev/hdc
[03:34] <johndarkhorse> marcin_ant: i know you dont, i was just remarking that nautilus is bad about changing user permissions when started as root
[03:34] <Budda> how can i enable java support for konqueror?
[03:34] <Foodcoman> Anything else I can do?
[03:34] <johndarkhorse> damn i'm busy
[03:34] <apokryphos> Foodcoman: interesting. Tried changing your video viewer? What are you using there?
[03:34] <apokryphos> ubotu: tell Budda about java
[03:35] <Foodcoman> Xine seems to work better than kaffine with Xine engine.
[03:35] <Foodcoman> gstreamer nothin shows.
[03:35] <apokryphos> Budda: once you've installed the j2re pack that the page tells you about, set the path to the java executable in Konqueror's Settings -> Configure Konqueror
[03:35] <apokryphos> Foodcoman: tried VLC? That's meant to do it too
[03:35] <apokryphos> can't remember the engine it uses, though
[03:36] <Foodcoman> Just installed it I will give it a spin with tonights showing!    =)
[03:36] <Budda> apokryphos, hm apt can't find the j2re pkg do i have to install it manuelly?
[03:36] <Foodcoman> Thanks for the help!
[03:36] <apokryphos> Budda: check the link Ubotu sent you via /msg
[03:37] <apokryphos> Foodcoman: np
[03:38] <Budda> ah..ok thank you
[03:40] <othomas> hi all
[03:40] <ndazza> does anyone know what the process gam_server is? it's been hogging 99% of my cpu for about 12hours now
[03:41] <apokryphos> ndazza: a known Linux bug. You should killall gam_server when that happens
[03:41] <othomas> ndazza, do a kill on it and see who complains..<grin>
[03:41] <apokryphos> ndazza: if you Google you can find a fix for it, too.
[03:42] <ndazza> ahh thanks
[03:44] <ndazza> i killed it, and amarok started working again :)
[03:45] <ndazza> innteresting...
[03:46] <apokryphos> ndazza: whenever your CPU is running up, things running slow, you should go for a 'top' straight away
[03:46] <Budda> arg...i've added the following line to my apt-sources list and i've done an apt-get update but i still can't find the: "sun-j2re1.5" pkg
[03:46] <Budda> deb http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net/ hoary-extras main universe multiverse restricted
[03:46] <gonza> manga de pijas!!!!!
[03:47] <Mez> Budda: It's been removed for legal reasons
[03:47] <ndazza> apokryphos: i was running a compile of xen, i had top running but just assumed the process was part of the compile
[03:47] <gonza> que hacen putos del culo
[03:47] <apokryphos> Mez: even from hoary-extras!?
[03:47] <gonza> !!!!!
[03:47] <Mez> and gonza: this is an english speaking channel
[03:47] <ubotu> Wish i knew, gonza
[03:47] <gonza> no entienden un pito de lo que estoy escribiendo putos jajajaja
[03:47] <Mez> apokryphos, yes... for legal reasons we had to remove it
[03:47] <Mez> gonza, - try #ubuntu-es
[03:47] <apokryphos> gonza: English only in here. Spanish in #kubuntu-es
[03:47] <gonza> ok
[03:47] <gdh> the big bad Sun Says No!
[03:47] <apokryphos> Mez: is seveas' repo still up and running?
[03:48] <ndazza> pfft @ sun
[03:48] <gonza> putos
[03:48] <Mez> apokryphos, no idea ...
[03:48] <gdh> Budda: Lazy? http://bum.net/sun-j2re1.5_1.5.0+update03_i386.deb
[03:48] <Mez> gonza, you're on your final warning - once more and you'll be kickbanned
[03:48] <gdh> not the absolute latest - but it'll run your applets :)
[03:48] <apokryphos> Budda: I recommend using seveas' repo
[03:48] <gonza> putos vallan a hacerse cojer por el pinguino puto ese
[03:49] <apokryphos> ahh, the cowards
[03:49] <gdh> tsk so much for the thrill of the fight :)
[03:50] <Mez> :D
[03:50] <gdh> bloody foreigners =)
[03:50] <apokryphos> Mez: a +q would be funnier to see :D
[03:50] <Mez> gdh: remember, we have to abide by the code of conduct ...
[03:50] <Mez> +q? owner?
[03:50] <Delphinus> hi peeps
[03:51] <gdh> one nation, under Mez :)
[03:51] <apokryphos> Mez: eh?
[03:51] <Mez> gdh: many nations under one philospophy ;D
[03:51] <gdh> =)
[03:51] <Mez> apokryphos, +q normally means channel owner
[03:51] <apokryphos> Mez: +q mode is quiet
[03:52] <apokryphos> can join, but can't talk to channel
[03:52] <Mez> http://www.ubuntu.com/community/conduct/document_view
[03:52] <Mez> hehe
[03:52] <apokryphos> I do it sometimes if I want to tell them something
[03:52] <Mez> anyways
[03:52] <Mez> night
[03:52] <Delphinus> cya Mez
[03:52] <Mez> ah, apokryphos I'm used to +b q:*!*@bla
[03:52] <Kamping_Kaiser> night mez
[03:52] <Mez> night Kamping_Kaiser (havent heard from you in a long time)
[03:52] <apokryphos> Mez: it's more standard, yes
[03:53] <apokryphos> Mez: read the CoC and signed it, remember :D
[03:53] <Mez> apokryphos, wouldnt know :D
[03:53] <apokryphos> Mez: you did approve me as part of that ubuntu group, no?
[03:53] <apokryphos> the new members helpers one
[03:53] <Foodcoman> All anyone asks is a little respect in the channel, I have had my knuckles smacked, and I learned.
[03:53] <Mez> apokryphos, that was a different guidelines
[03:53] <apokryphos> Mez: I did gpg the CoC before that though, anyhow
[03:53] <johndarkhorse> Mez: is this gonna be a weekend thing now?
[03:54] <Mez> johndarkhorse, ?
[03:54] <Kamping_Kaiser> o_0
[03:54] <othomas> lol
[03:54] <Mez> hey nalioth, it really depends.... I'll be online when I'm not working
[03:55] <Mez> for example... i'm off till tuesday now
[03:55] <Foodcoman> Hello, Mr. Nalioth
[03:55] <Mez> anways
[03:55] <Mez> sleep :D
[03:55] <Mez> night all
[03:55] <apokryphos> 'night
[03:55] <othomas> niters
[03:55] <johndarkhorse> fyi: i am at my paying job. that is why i'm using another nick
[03:56] <othomas> tis good to have fun at work..:)
[03:58] <gdh> haha :) don't bother they're already way out of date
[03:58] <gdh> isn't it great being with the in-crowd? ;)
[03:58] <Kamping_Kaiser> im tracking breezy, anounceing a preview means nothing to me ;)
[03:58] <apokryphos> :P
[03:58] <gdh> apokryphos: oh god yes :) search on it for 'nonsensepedia'
[03:59] <gdh> had me in shakes of laughter for ages :)
[03:59] <apokryphos> I was on holiday during the preview, as I recall
[03:59] <gdh> a parody of a parody...
[03:59] <ThisGuy> Hey everyone.
[03:59] <apokryphos> gdh: I haven't seen one properly written article on that where I didn't crack up inside
[03:59] <apokryphos> beautiful
[03:59] <othomas> hi ThhisGuy
[03:59] <ThisGuy> What's everyone up to?
[04:00] <apokryphos> ThisGuy: reading uncyclopedia.org
[04:00] <gdh> and all the Oscar Wilde quotes ;)
[04:00] <othomas> heh
[04:00] <apokryphos> yes!
[04:00] <gdh> "Those curtains are fucking hideous" - Oscar Wilde
[04:00] <apokryphos> Kamping_Kaiser: you won't regret it :D
[04:00] <apokryphos> Kamping_Kaiser: http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/Bill_gates
[04:00] <gdh> too funny :))))
[04:00] <apokryphos> gdh: he's quoted on every other page. Their hero ;-)
[04:00] <gdh> yes =)
[04:00] <Kamping_Kaiser> :DDD lol
[04:02] <ThisGuy> So, who in here is using the Kubuntu 5.10 Preview?
[04:02] <apokryphos> gdh: erm, just noticed a lot more Steve Balmer quotations on the page :D
[04:02] <apokryphos> ThisGuy: not that many; that came out some time ago. :P
[04:03] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[04:03] <ThisGuy> It only came out about a week or so ago...
[04:03] <ThisGuy> At least, I thought so.
[04:03] <ThisGuy> haha
[04:03] <apokryphos> all Star Wars, LoTR, Harry Potter etc etc are funny too
[04:03] <ndazza> ThisGuy: yes, yes it did. i think i've updated twice since then though...
[04:04] <apokryphos> ThisGuy: the 5th wasn't it? That's 13 days ago. Done at least 4/5 upgrades since then.
[04:04] <apokryphos> admittedly not full upgrades a couple of the times (no need).
[04:04] <apokryphos> ThisGuy: still, a lot of people are still running Hoary
[04:04] <gdh> apokryphos: http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/Flying_Spaghetti_Monster - noodles, pirates, parrots,  physics, politics - what more could you want?
[04:04] <gdh> s/noodles/pasta/
[04:04] <apokryphos> Breezy is still a little shaky with  X for some (and with ATI/flrx drivers)
[04:05] <Kamping_Kaiser> apokryphos: lots of people are running warty :/
[04:05] <apokryphos> Kamping_Kaiser: really? On their desktop PC?
[04:05] <apokryphos> they must not venture into IRC much :D
[04:05] <ThisGuy> I'm excited for the Breezy release.  I thought Hoary seemed a little unstable when I tried it out.
[04:05] <othomas> Breezy hangs checking the usb drives on the install here
[04:05] <gdh> lots of people still use win95.. :)
[04:05] <Kamping_Kaiser> apokryphos: yes, on their desktops, and if they could get online i expect they would not be running it ;)
[04:05] <apokryphos> gdh: can't look at too many of these, it hurts :P
[04:05] <apokryphos> hehe
[04:06] <gdh> although generally they're just seccretaries in churches printing letters...
[04:06] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[04:06] <gdh> I see the 'smbfs mount from fstab on boot' bug was fixed in breezy recently:) woo! go you!
[04:07] <apokryphos> gdh: ah, a flaw. The Windows articles aren't as good as last time I checked in :P
[04:07] <ThisGuy> I'm thinking about doing an install of Kubuntu tonight.  I'm sure there have been plenty of updates to make it more stable since the last time I tried it.
[04:07] <apokryphos> Hm, my current breezy doesn't seem to have hal running properly
[04:07] <apokryphos> detects USBs being plugged in, but they're not actually available in media ioslave
[04:08] <apokryphos> ThisGuy: indeed; what problems did you have last time?
[04:08] <othomas> *don't do that Dave..
[04:08] <gdh> apokryphos: Pfff, removable media is for philistines - everything is the network, and vice versa. Ask Sun. they invented networks, apparently.
[04:08] <othomas> all hail sun
[04:08] <gdh> This should be a single for the Polyphonic Spree.
[04:09] <ThisGuy> It was mostly with KDE I suppose.  A few errors here and there.  Konqueror really didn't like me.
[04:09] <ThisGuy> haha
[04:09] <othomas> lol
[04:09] <apokryphos> :-O
[04:09] <apokryphos> ThisGuy: should be better now; some had Konqueror crashing issues
[04:09] <Foodcoman> (Java)Collection when ever it feels like it is a bad idea!
[04:10] <apokryphos> annoyingly, they seemed to be entirely random/sporadic occurences -- hard to debug.
[04:10] <gdh> KDE's web media support is fairly awful in hoary- am hoping for great things in breezy :)
[04:10] <ThisGuy> Yeah, that's basically what I was experiencing.
[04:10] <gdh> e.g. kaffeine embedded crashing konq as soon as you navigate away from a page
[04:11] <apokryphos> gdh: feature freeze has come and gone; what you see now is what yo' gettin' 
[04:11] <apokryphos> Kaffeine seems good (perfectly usable) now in Breezy
[04:11] <gdh> apokryphos: am not upgrading my work machine until breezy stable is gold :)
[04:11] <apokryphos> Latest one too, I believe, with +gstreamer support
[04:11] <apokryphos> =)
[04:11] <gdh> my home desktop can come and go :)
[04:12] <ndazza> konqueror media:/ no longer shows my usb drive
[04:12] <othomas> kaffeine works well, so does XMMS for playing cd's with no audio connection to the machine
[04:12] <apokryphos> ndazza: breezy?
[04:12] <ndazza> apokryphos: yes. mount doesn't show the drive either
[04:12] <apokryphos> ndazza: same problem here, actually. Might be worth compiling a bug report.
[04:13] <ndazza> i wonder if the #ubuntu guys have the same prob
[04:13] <apokryphos> gdh: cool
[04:13] <Kamping_Kaiser> http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/Windows rofl " This key is replaced by the Meta key on Sun keyboards. Not that anyone cares."
[04:13] <apokryphos> ndazza: I suspect it's a HAL issue
[04:13] <othomas> usb is the hangup here as well..the live CD worked, but install hates usb drives
[04:13] <apokryphos> does Ubuntu have automounting?
[04:13] <Kamping_Kaiser> usb? yeh
[04:13] <apokryphos> Kamping_Kaiser: :D
[04:13] <apokryphos> Kamping_Kaiser: yes, usb.
[04:14] <Kamping_Kaiser> :D *hugs gnome 2.12*
[04:14] <othomas> lol K_K
[04:14] <gdh> hey hey :) mine works fine! :)
[04:14] <Foodcoman> Working with my USB key very nicely!
[04:14] <gdh> boy does that make a change
[04:14] <apokryphos> gdh: last upgrade?
[04:14] <Foodcoman> Sandisk 1 gig.
[04:14] <gdh> apokryphos: about an hour ago
[04:14] <apokryphos> Foodcoman: last ugprade?
[04:14] <gdh> upgrade AND reboot
[04:14] <othomas> Foodcoman: my usb is an 81G drive
[04:14] <apokryphos> gdh: hm, might do one now.
[04:15] <apokryphos> gdh: did a reboot today for the first time in at least a week, actually; realised the Ubuntu splash is finally actually working
[04:15] <apokryphos> it's not too bad, but still kinda ugly
[04:15] <apokryphos> Looks like an embedded colourful terminal in some ways
[04:15] <gdh> It is? I didn't see that.. 
[04:15] <Foodcoman> othomas: Bit of the difference there for sure!   =)
[04:15] <othomas> heh
[04:15] <gdh> needs any special video card? I have an old ATI mach64 thing...
[04:15] <jsubl2> apokryphos, yeah i don't understand their obsession with brown
[04:16] <apokryphos> jsubl2: they're probably trying to be "different". KDE got all the good colours... blue. :D
[04:16] <ThisGuy> *Contemplates whether or not to install Kubuntu...*
[04:16] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol apokryphos
[04:16] <jsubl2> apokryphos, yeah i like the new kdm screen
[04:16] <othomas> heh apok
[04:16] <apokryphos> jsubl2: oop, haven't seen it. Might check it out
[04:17] <apokryphos> I'm using some random one from kdelook, but haven't seen it in weeks -- I'm set to autologin
[04:17] <apokryphos> my splashscreen is great though. Called "LoveKDE"; really quite like it. Smooth/clean.
[04:18] <jsubl2> well i will have to look it up
[04:18] <othomas> apokryphos: is that the blonde with wet lips?
[04:18] <apokryphos> That's the second person who's said that, I'm wondering if another one called that actually exists. 
[04:18] <jsubl2> apokryphos, yeah i like that too.
[04:18] <othomas> hehe..got ya all
[04:19] <jsubl2> http://kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=25945
[04:19] <apokryphos> That's it.
[04:19] <ndazza> i'm not sure if the 'wet lips' detail is suitable for a channel like this... :p
[04:19] <apokryphos> Looks great full-screen. The little hearts go up as the splashscreen loads
[04:19] <apokryphos> The splash-screen actually demonstrates the flexibility of the Moodin engine -- great stuff.
[04:20] <othomas> ndazza: sorry if I caused offense, i apoligize
[04:20] <ndazza> othomas: no probs, i was joking :)
[04:20] <jsubl2> i just checked.. my blondes lips are moist not wet
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[04:21] <othomas> ewww...some of that gloss stuff eh?
[04:21] <jsubl2> prolly
[04:21] <ndazza> 'moist' - so much information in one little word
[04:21] <othomas> hahahahaha
[04:21] <jsubl2> yeah that is a great word
[04:22] <othomas> LOL..:()
[04:23] <gdh> 'mumblepants' - when her knickers are so tight that you can see the lips moving but you can't quite make out what they're saying :)
[04:23] <apokryphos> alright alright!
[04:23] <apokryphos> Definitely too much info :D
[04:23] <gdh> tee hee :)
[04:23] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[04:23] <Kamping_Kaiser> that should be marked off topic ;)
[04:23] <ndazza> hahahaha
[04:23] <apokryphos> we have #kubuntu-offtopic for the gratuitously off-topicness :P
[04:23] <othomas> lol
[04:23] <ndazza> does anyone actually attend there?
[04:23] <apokryphos> Though /me ventures to offtopic reasonably often in here. </blush>
[04:24] <apokryphos> ndazza: me!
[04:24] <Kamping_Kaiser> i didnt know about that :o
[04:24] <Kamping_Kaiser> -offtopic
[04:24] <ndazza> i'd better join then!!!
[04:24] <apokryphos> Party time :D
[04:27] <musashiden> hey everybody, can i get a little help with KPackage?
[04:27] <musashiden> it keeps saying my root password is wrong
[04:27] <Delphinus> i'll try.. but i not a guru
[04:27] <Delphinus> what password are you using?
[04:27] <kalenedrael> Yeah, kubuntu doesn't allow root logins.
[04:27] <othomas> lol
[04:27] <kalenedrael> You use sudo.
[04:27] <musashiden> ROOT password
[04:28] <ndazza> musashiden: type sudo kpackage
[04:28] <ndazza> from a command prompt
[04:28] <musashiden> ok, let me try
[04:28] <kalenedrael> Then, when it asks for a password, type your own password.
[04:28] <jsubl2> alias su='sudo -s'
[04:29] <Delphinus> or you can in console just do 'sudo su' to get a root console
[04:29] <musashiden> it says "Sudo: Kpackage: command not found"
[04:29] <_hydrogen> wow
[04:29] <_hydrogen> the new breezy splash screen rocks
[04:29] <_hydrogen> it++
[04:30] <apokryphos> musashiden: the package isn't packaged properly, unfortunately.
[04:30] <apokryphos> musashiden: you need to have an actual root account to use it.
[04:30] <musashiden> so um, what do i do then?
[04:31] <othomas> musashiden: do you have kubuntu installed?
[04:31] <Delphinus> what do you want kpackage for?
[04:32] <musashiden> othomas: yes
[04:32] <musashiden> Delphinos: to install cedega
[04:32] <apokryphos> musashiden: set a root account, if you really wanna use KPackage
[04:32] <apokryphos> musashiden: sudo passwd
[04:32] <Delphinus> synaptic doesn't have it :(
[04:33] <gdh> musashiden: UNIX is case-sensitive. Kpackage is not the same as kpackage ... Sudo is not the same as sudo
[04:33] <apokryphos> Delphinus: doesn't have what? KPackage?
[04:33] <apokryphos> It's in Universe.
[04:33] <Delphinus> cedega
[04:33] <apokryphos> !cedega
[04:33] <ubotu> it has been said that cedega is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Cedega
[04:35] <jsubl2> brb
[04:36] <musashiden> gdh: i have triple checked spelling
[04:36] <musashiden> and have changed the case
[04:36] <Delphinus> sorry, didn't know what cedega was
[04:36] <apokryphos> musashiden: are you in KPackage, and talking about this error?
[04:36] <apokryphos> musashiden: I told you, you have to set a root account.
[04:37] <musashiden> apo: i already have
[04:37] <apokryphos> musashiden: then enter the pass you have for the *root* account
[04:38] <musashiden> apo: i already have
[04:38] <apokryphos> I might actually create a bug report for that
[04:38] <apokryphos> musashiden: oh ok, link?
[04:38] <apokryphos> (or bug number)
[04:38] <apokryphos> oh, I take it you mean you made the root account
[04:39] <apokryphos> musashiden: ok, so putting in the root pass, does it not work?
[04:39] <musashiden> oh wait, it worked..
[04:39] <musashiden> you were right, i had to make a real ROOT acccount
[04:40] <musashiden> is kubuntu in anyway delivered from deviant?
[04:40] <apokryphos> musashiden: eh?
[04:40] <gdh> what's deviant?
[04:40] <apokryphos> I take it you mean Debian
[04:40] <musashiden> Debian*
[04:40] <gdh> (take that to be the answer of "no")
[04:40] <musashiden> sorry :P
[04:40] <apokryphos> Yes, it's debian-based
[04:41] <apokryphos> ubotu: tell musashiden about debian
[04:41] <musashiden> ooh, then iam getting this error in KPackage
[04:42] <musashiden> cedega-4.4.1-1.i386.rpm';echo RESULT=$?
[04:42] <musashiden> rpm: To install rpm packages on Debian systems, use alien. See README.Debian.
[04:42] <musashiden> error: cannot open Packages index using db3 - No such file or directory (2)
[04:42] <musashiden> error: cannot open Packages database in /var/lib/rpm
[04:42] <musashiden> RESULT=1
[04:42] <musashiden> so i take it i must download this alien thing huh?
[04:43] <apokryphos> musashiden: please don't paste directly in the channels
[04:43] <apokryphos> !paste
[04:43] <ubotu> [paste]  please use http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/ or #flood to paste large amounts of text
[04:43] <othomas> heh] 
[04:44] <musashiden> apoko: sorry >.<
[04:44] <apokryphos> that's alright =)
[04:44] <musashiden> :)
[04:44] <apokryphos> musashiden: if instructions tell you to alien it, then you probably should, yes.
[04:45] <apokryphos> Weird, launchpad doesn't find kpackage
[04:45] <musashiden> try KPackage
[04:46] <othomas> names , names..sounds like a song
[04:50] <apokryphos> musashiden: nah :), it asks for the sourcepackage name
[04:52] <musashiden> oh, lol
[04:53] <musashiden> hmmm, how exactly do i install this alien thingy
[04:54] <apokryphos> musashiden: same way most things are installed -- apt/package manager =)
[04:56] <musashiden> but where exactly do i get the deb lines?
[04:57] <musashiden> or the packages
[04:57] <musashiden> cause i cant seem to find them
[04:57] <musashiden> lol, all i see is a bunch of alien/ufo related stuff
[04:57] <apokryphos> musashiden: are you following the instructions from the wiki?
[04:58] <apokryphos> not that I've ever seen them...
[04:59] <musashiden> apo: err, nopw
[04:59] <musashiden> nope*
[04:59] <Phily> Phily: !!Loves kubuntu,  I've tried lots of distro and find this one the most polished, I've been a user for 7 months now.
[04:59] <triggerfist> i love it too
[04:59] <Phily> No redhat 7 cd dowloads 
[04:59] <triggerfist> its fast too
[04:59] <apokryphos> musashiden: you're trying to install cedega, correct?
[04:59] <Phily> No SUSE ancient kernel
[04:59] <apokryphos> Then check the   Wiki
[05:00] <apokryphos> Phily: good to hear!
[05:00] <triggerfist> i install mepis today and then kubuntu and kubuntu was flying in my computer :)
[05:00] <musashiden> !wiki
[05:00] <musashiden> err
[05:01] <musashiden> what was the link to the wiki?
[05:01] <ThisGuy> Phily: I think Ubuntu is more polished than Kubunut...
[05:01] <triggerfist> but kde rocks
[05:01] <apokryphos> ubotu: tell musashiden about cedega
[05:01] <apokryphos> musashiden: it's good to learn to use the wki, really. :)
[05:01] <Phily> musashiden: Why not try to build Cedega from source?
[05:02] <apokryphos> triggerfist: indeed it does 8)
[05:02] <apokryphos> ThisGuy: I disagree =)
[05:02] <triggerfist> bye everyone que viva Kubuntu
[05:02] <triggerfist> :)
[05:02] <musashiden> can anyone give me the website of the wiki?
[05:02] <triggerfist> good night
[05:02] <apokryphos> musashiden: wiki.ubuntu.com
[05:02] <apokryphos> musashiden: ubotu already gave you the link for Cedega though
[05:02] <Phily> ThisGuy: I've never tried Unbuntu, I thought they where the same distro (base is bases on unbuntu(
[05:02] <apokryphos> triggerfist: 'night
[05:03] <apokryphos> Phily: They are
[05:03] <othomas> niters
[05:03] <apokryphos> Phily: Kubuntu is Ubuntu+KDE (and minus GNOME)
[05:03] <triggerfist> good night apokryphos, nice name btw
[05:03] <triggerfist> :)
[05:03] <Phily> apokryphos That what I tought
[05:04] <Phily> How come there are so many users bu so litle questions and chat
[05:04] <apokryphos> Phily: in here?
[05:05] <apokryphos> There's not that many
[05:05] <othomas> we all whisper <grin>
[05:05] <Phily> at least 30 litle kubuntu users
[05:06] <Phily> lets have a pole:  how many kubuntu here how many kubuntuettes in here?
[05:06] <Phily> kunbuntuettes (being female linux users)
[05:06] <othomas> lol
[05:06] <gdh> That's a really fuqn cheap way to 'pick up chicks' :)
[05:07] <gdh> Grade: D- ... must try harder.
[05:07] <apokryphos> 88 users in the chan, but never does everyone speak at the same time of course, and many just idle for most of the time.
[05:07] <apokryphos> aseigo: stop it, you're making me blush 8)
[05:07] <Phily> whats the irc command to show total users in channel
[05:07] <aseigo> it was nice to see how many more women were at akademy this year
[05:07] <aseigo> every year we get more =)
[05:07] <othomas> apok: we just sit and watch Holmes solve the case..:)
[05:07] <apokryphos> aseigo: 17 registered wasn't it?
[05:07] <apokryphos> Good stuff.
[05:08] <apokryphos> othomas: ah, good ol' Holmes
[05:08] <Phily> what akademy
[05:08] <gdh> Holmes does not concern himself with trifles.
[05:08] <gdh> mmmm, trifle... :)
[05:08] <aseigo> hopefully the trend continues... i'd actually like to see some more female management of the project... women tend to have skills that are fairly rare amongst men that are really great when it comes to management
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[05:08] <aseigo> that's "truffle"
[05:08] <Phily> anyone in here actually involved working on kubuntu or ubuntu
[05:08] <gdh> no, not truffle, he was more interested inopium, really :)
[05:09] <apokryphos> ubotu: akademy is <reply> aKademy is a big KDE conference where developers meet, code, and conspire together.
[05:09] <ubotu> apokryphos: okay
[05:09] <Phily> aseigo: Now you ar e the one triyng to pick up with all the complements
[05:09] <othomas> (conspire) is the word..heh
[05:09] <gdh> nna! :)
[05:10] <aseigo> Phily: dude, i don't pick up =)
[05:10] <aseigo> Phily: like a worm on a hook i just wait =)
[05:10] <Phily> I work in the engineering world (actually nuclear) and I find most female engineers have VERY strong personnality,  I think female have to stand out in the engineering buinness to get half the respect a man gets
[05:10] <aseigo> apokryphos: yeah, we've got some really great people
[05:11] <aseigo> Phily: did you see that MIT lecture that was posted on planet.gnome.org a couple days back?
[05:11] <aseigo> Phily: really intersting shit
[05:11] <aseigo> http://mitworld.mit.edu/video/80/
[05:13] <Phily> Sorry french spelling nuclear (power generating station)
[05:13] <othomas>  :)
[05:13] <aseigo> hehe.. "unclear engineering"
[05:13] <othomas> lol
[05:13] <aseigo> i think that's also known as "MSFT"
[05:14] <othomas> omg..hah
[05:14] <Phily> aseigo where is the link on planet gnome
[05:14] <aseigo> ooooh yeah.. hamncheez update!
[05:14] <apokryphos> looks like you guys had a heck of a time =)
[05:14] <apokryphos> must be like New Years' for KDE devs :P
[05:15] <aseigo> hahaha.. yeah
[05:15] <aseigo> well, i'd just had 4 very loooong days at that point
[05:15] <Phily> aseigo: found it way at the bottom
[05:15] <aseigo> 1 day of travel, 1 day was an 11 hour long e.V. meeting, 2 days of speaking tracks and hardcore design meetings
[05:15] <apokryphos> aseigo: work hard -> play hard.
[05:16] <othomas> woohoo
[05:16] <aseigo> and that night novell rented out a really hot club for us... until 01:00 it was open bar and free tapas
[05:16] <aseigo> so .. i got pretty ripped ... ended up going off bar hopping with some local girl sometime after 1
[05:16] <apokryphos> wow
[05:16] <aseigo> got home at like 5 or something
[05:16] <apokryphos> hehe
[05:16] <aseigo> maybe later. i don't really know what time =)
[05:16] <aseigo> slept until noon. felt better for it
[05:16] <apokryphos> Spain is great (I went Barcelona myself this summer)
[05:17] <Phily> aseigo: no article just a table of content
[05:17] <apokryphos> night-life ended for us an hour or so after sunrise 8)
[05:17] <Phily> here in Canada  Quebec bars close at 3:00 
[05:17] <aseigo> Phily: which link?
[05:18] <aseigo> Phily: yeah, same here in calgary
[05:18] <aseigo> Phily: though there are a few after hours bars
[05:18] <Phily> aseigo: Why So Slow: The Advancement of Womrn
[05:18] <aseigo> Phily: http://mitworld.mit.edu/video/80/ <-- that link?
[05:18] <aseigo> Phily: click on the "Play now" link
[05:18] <aseigo> Phily: it's a streaming video
[05:18] <Phily> aseigo: In Ontario it sucks even worst they close at 1:00
[05:18] <aseigo> well, we all know ontario is weak ass ;)
[05:19] <apokryphos> ah, new Seigo interview on the dot?
[05:19] <othomas> lol
[05:19] <Phily> aseigo: I'm not pressing play on a real video stream its against my principales
[05:19] <hussam> how do I know with which package was a certain file installed?
[05:19] <aseigo> apokryphos: ahahaha.. i dunno. i hardly have the stomach for them ;)
[05:20] <aseigo> apokryphos: which one, the TLLTS one?
[05:20] <apokryphos> hussam: do you mean, "how do I know which package installed a certain file"? dpkg -S likely
[05:20] <apokryphos> Yup
[05:20] <hussam> apokryphos: ok
[05:20] <othomas> i still enjoyed the strippers
[05:20] <aseigo> Phily: heh .. sure =)
[05:21] <apokryphos> hussam: heh, sorry, dpkg -L
[05:21] <apokryphos> apokryphos: place, place?
[05:21] <othomas> heh
[05:21] <othomas> apok, speaks to him self
[05:21] <othomas> lol
[05:22] <apokryphos> aseigo: as in, where have you seen me before? 
[05:22] <Phily> what the heck is a tab competion
[05:22] <apokryphos> probably only on IRC channels, here, kde, and docs 8)
[05:22] <aseigo> apokryphos: i've seen your nick here on irc before. and as you says "strength for another one" i'm considering who you might be ;)
[05:22] <apokryphos> !tab
[05:22] <ubotu> You can use <tab> for autocompletion of nicknames in IRC.
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[05:23] <hussam> apokryphos: i'm missing this file /usr/X11R6/bin/lxterm but I don't know what I should reisntall to get it back.
[05:23] <apokryphos> aseigo: I'm sure you talk to many people a day, I barel yremember myself from the people on IRC. Pretty bad sometimes oO
[05:23] <apokryphos> aseigo: I spoke to you once about another interview you had some time ago, no real recollection. Was about Plasma
[05:24] <apokryphos> hussam: what do you need it for? I don't have it
[05:24] <apokryphos> hussam: apparently xterm provides it though
[05:25] <apokryphos> Must be taken out of breezy (warty xterm didn't provide it, neither)
[05:25] <othomas> apokryphos, it does in hoary
[05:26] <hussam> apokryphos: I can't get to failsafe session because /etc/alternatives/x-terminal-emulator links to /usr/X11R6/bin/lxterm 
[05:26] <apokryphos> othomas: yup, that's what I said :P
[05:26] <othomas> ty aseigo 
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[05:26] <apokryphos> hussam: ack
[05:26] <hussam> apokryphos: that's failsafe session in kdm
[05:26] <othomas> lol
[05:26] <apokryphos> hussam: you're on hoary?
[05:26] <hussam> no breezy
[05:26] <othomas> i am
[05:26] <apokryphos> hussam: just ctrl+alt+f1-6 then
[05:27] <apokryphos> oh oO
[05:27] <othomas> breezy hangs on the usb's
[05:27] <apokryphos> hussam: it doesn't exist in breezy
[05:27] <hussam> but it's working brilliantly apart from this bug
[05:27] <apokryphos> hussam: you should report it
[05:27] <apokryphos> hussam: drop a mention in #ubuntu-bugs
[05:27] <Phily> aseigo: You seem to be well known I just googled you and found out you work for trolltech
[05:27] <hussam> should I make /etc/alternatives/x-terminal-emulator link to something else?
[05:27] <apokryphos> bug activity is coordinated in that channel today
[05:27] <apokryphos> hussam: nah; best to report
[05:27] <aseigo> Phily: more well known than unknown i suppose =)
[05:28] <aseigo> Phily: and yeah, TT pays my bills
[05:28] <Phily> aseigo:  By the way your blogspot blog is down
[05:28] <aseigo> Phily: all of blogspot is down
[05:29] <othomas> ekk
[05:29] <Phily> aseigo: Blogspot works from here, the main site, but not your blog
[05:30] <aseigo> Phily: yeah, the individual blogs are down..
[05:30] <aseigo> Phily: the composing site is up
[05:30] <othomas> what happened?
[05:32] <Phily> aseigo:  I don't think this downtime is affecting every single blog here is a random blog that works: http://lookathisbutt.blogspot.com/
[05:33] <othomas> *aseigo is marked for "no access"..omg
[05:33] <othomas> heh..sorry..just playing
[05:34] <Phily> aseigo: R u working on porting kde apps to qt4
[05:35] <aseigo> Phily: yes
[05:36] <Phily> aseigo: we here very litle on current time frame when kde4 will be released can you give me the scope
[05:36] <Phily> ooops scoop
[05:36] <aseigo> who's "we"?
[05:36] <aseigo> and the time frame for kde4 is next fall
[05:36] <othomas> hope he saw that
[05:37] <othomas> wb Phily
[05:38] <aseigo> Phily:  the time frame for kde4 is next fall
[05:38] <Phily> aseigo: What next fall like tommorow or next fall like in a year
[05:39] <aseigo> ahahahhahaa http://www.modestapparelchristianclothinglydiaofpurpledressescustomsewing.com/
[05:39] <aseigo> Phily: in a year
[05:39] <Phily> aseigo: HEre it is already fall lol
[05:39] <othomas> eck
[05:39] <aseigo> that has got to be the longest domain name for the most shite website ever
[05:39] <othomas> almost here
[05:40] <othomas> lol
[05:41] <Phily> I bet they get tons of orders for such sexy cloth
[05:43] <Phily> look at the prices pretty cheap for custom clothing,  I might actually order something for halloween for my kids
[05:45] <musashiden> hey um
[05:45] <musashiden> the CVS thingy is asking me for a password
[05:45] <musashiden> and is not my root password
[05:45] <ThisGuy> Has anyone in here used EasyKubuntu?
[05:46] <musashiden> anyone here knows what password is it asking for?
[05:47] <apokryphos> ThisGuy: er, what's that?
[05:48] <Phily> aseigo: Domaine names are resticted to 255 caracters (I think) lets find a longer one which is as crappy
[05:48] <Phily> musashiden; CVS for what software
[05:48] <ThisGuy> Hold on, let me find the fourm link to EasyUbuntu (obviously the Ubuntu version, haha)
[05:49] <ThisGuy> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=64629&page=1&pp=10&highlight=EasyKubuntu
[05:50] <musashiden> phily: Kubuntu
[05:50] <Phily> aseigo: Oops domaine names cant have more than 63 chaaracters
[05:53] <apokryphos> ThisGuy: looks like another idea along the lines of SimpleKDE
[05:54] <apokryphos> once again, the flaw in the plan is that Kubuntu is perfect, thus any modification can't possibly improve on perfection :D
[05:56] <Phily> apokryphos:  I agree with you that Kubuntu is great but what I fing compare to other "commercial" distro is for newby and I know a lot Kubuntu is missing general documentation on how to start things off.
[05:56] <musashiden> any help with CVS please?
[05:58] <apokryphos> Phily: I of course go ta little carried away (I'm actually not *that* patriotic to it); considering switching when I get my new PC up-and-running; well, at least going to try out a few others
[05:58] <apokryphos> Phily: Documentation was very much lacking in Hoary; this issue has been addressed (to some extent) in Breezy, however.
[05:58] <ThisGuy> EasyUbuntu and EasyKubuntu are just there as tools to help install things such as media codecs, that may be a little to much for the begginer.
[05:58] <apokryphos> excellent
[06:02] <musashiden> ok...it seems iam being ignored...
[06:04] <Phily> musashiden: I'll try to help if u will be more specific on what you are trying to do
[06:11] <musashiden> phily, thank you
[06:11] <musashiden> ok, iam following the wiki guide on how to install cedega
[06:12] <musashiden> and it tells me i need CVS
[06:12] <musashiden> so i installed CVS
[06:12] <musashiden> now, when iam trying to start CVS on, it asks me for a password
[06:12] <Phily> musashiden: first musashiden r u installing cedega to play a particular game
[06:12] <musashiden> yes
[06:13] <musashiden> and for other games aswell
[06:13] <Phily> musashiden: r u a new to linux
[06:14] <musashiden> phily: yes, but i have average acknowladge on it. because i own dedicated servers with linux
[06:15] <sna7ch> How do I delete programs?
[06:15] <Phily> musashiden: depending on the game u running this solution can be slow
[06:16] <musashiden> philiy: iam following this guide https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Cedega
[06:16] <Phily> musashiden: have a look at this one if it helps http://www.linux-gamers.net/modules/wfsection/article.php?articleid=45
[06:17] <musashiden> yah, iam there
[06:17] <musashiden> in the step 3
[06:17] <musashiden> thats were iam stuck
[06:17] <musashiden> it keeps asking me fore a CVS password
[06:17] <musashiden> but i dont have one
[06:18] <Phily> musashiden: did you try just "enter" has the password
[06:18] <Phily> oopss has as
[06:18] <musashiden> yes
[06:21] <Phily> musashiden: To checkout a new CVS respository:
[06:21] <Phily>    1. cvs -d:pserver:cvs@cvs.transgaming.org:/cvsroot login
[06:21] <Phily>    2. When prompted for the password enter "cvs"
[06:21] <Phily>    3. cvs -z3 -d:pserver:cvs@cvs.transgaming.org:/cvsroot co winex
[06:21] <Phily> sorry for the flooding lazy
[06:22] <Phily> musashiden: is password working now
[06:23] <musashiden> um
[06:23] <Phily> musashiden: um?
[06:24] <musashiden> let me try it
[06:24] <Phily> musashiden: the pasword is "cvs"
[06:24] <musashiden> wow
[06:24] <musashiden> it is working!
[06:24] <musashiden> thank you!
[06:25] <johndarkhorse> wow 733t haX0rz
[06:25] <johndarkhorse> lol
[06:25] <Phily> musashiden: why are not using deb package
[06:26] <Phily> musashiden: I bet you want play the drug game stonger that solitaire at work i.e.:WoW
[06:27] <musashiden> phily: nope, i want to play Ragnarok Online :P
[06:27] <musashiden> the most addictive game ever
[06:27] <Phily> musashiden: have you verified first if the game is supported 
[06:29] <musashiden> Phily: err..no..but there is a friend of mine playing ragnarok online on debian
[06:30] <musashiden> so since kubuntu is kinda related to debian, it must work in kubuntu
[06:31] <Phily> have you gotten 3d acceleration in x working first
[06:32] <musashiden> phily: what?...
[06:32] <Kaiser_essen> lol
[06:32] <Foodcoman> The brave fencer.......
[06:33] <musashiden> Foodcoman: thats me fool, you better recognise :P
[06:34] <Phily> because ragnarok uses direct x which are translated to opengl in linux when using cedefa
[06:35] <Phily> musashiden: type in a console glxgears and tell me the results in fps
[06:35] <musashiden> k
[06:36] <musashiden> 369 frames in 5.0 seconds = 73.800 FPS
[06:37] <Phily> musashiden: that is very slow I get over 1400 fps what harware are you running
[06:37] <musashiden> is that the answer you are looking for?
[06:38] <musashiden> its slow because iam listening to music and compiling
[06:38] <Phily> musashiden:  I don't think you are using accelerated 3d (opengl) x
[06:39] <musashiden> well, there is a reason why is so slow
[06:39] <musashiden> i dont know why but, kubuntu is using way more system resources than windows did
[06:39] <Phily> musashiden: I hope  you have a nvidia card 
[06:39] <kalenedrael> Ok, there is a serious problem with kubuntu here.
[06:40] <musashiden> phily: iam using a nvidia card
[06:40] <kalenedrael> Certain packages are complaining when they are not supposed to.
[06:40] <Phily> musashiden:  have you installed the nvidia driver they are not on the cd
[06:40] <musashiden> kalenedrael: a process called Xorg is the one sucking up my RAM
[06:40] <kalenedrael> When I try to apt-get upgrade, it says I have to run apt-get -f upgrade.
[06:41] <kalenedrael> musashiden, ok. That would be the nice graphics you're seeing. :P
[06:41] <musashiden> phily: i havent install a specific driver yet, and i dont have a cd
[06:41] <musashiden> kalenedrael: i know, but still :P
[06:41] <Phily> musashiden: use apt-get to install them
[06:41] <kalenedrael> Anyway, apt won't let me install anything. It is seriously stupid.
[06:41] <kalenedrael> More specifically, xlibmesa-gl is complaining that a certain file or directory does not exist.
[06:42] <Phily> musashiden: or install them directly from nvidia a follow instructions it a shell script that will do all the work.
[06:42] <musashiden> phily: get whay?
[06:42] <kalenedrael> When it in fact does.
[06:42] <musashiden> what*
[06:42] <Phily> musashiden: nvidia drivers
[06:42] <musashiden> phily: i know, but what is the complete apt-get line?
[06:43] <musashiden> nvm..
[06:43] <Phily> musashiden: sudo apt-get install nvidia*
[06:44] <kalenedrael> Errors were encountered while processing:
[06:44] <kalenedrael>  /var/cache/apt/archives/xserver-xorg_6.8.2-10.1_amd64.deb
[06:44] <kalenedrael>  /var/cache/apt/archives/xlibmesa-gl_6.8.2-10.1_amd64.deb
[06:44] <kalenedrael> These simply will not install.
[06:44] <kalenedrael> That's because of:
[06:44] <kalenedrael> dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/xlibmesa-gl_6.8.2-10.1_amd64.deb (--unpack):
[06:44] <kalenedrael>  unable to create `./usr/X11R6/lib/libGL.so.1.2': No such file or directory
[06:44] <kalenedrael> And...
[06:45] <kalenedrael> dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/xserver-xorg_6.8.2-10.1_amd64.deb (--unpack):
[06:45] <kalenedrael>  unable to create `./usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions/libGLcore.a': No such file or directory
[06:45] <Phily> kalenedrael: use http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/
[06:45] <johndarkhorse> kalenedrael: please do not paste
[06:45] <kalenedrael> Yeah, I know I should. :P I was lazy...
[06:45] <kalenedrael> It's fine if it was a few lines. I avoided pasting all of them at once for that very reason.
[06:45] <Phily> kalenedrael: do you have an nvidia card
[06:45] <kalenedrael> Yes.
[06:46] <kalenedrael> I strongly suspect that nvidia's installed fucked with things.
[06:46] <kalenedrael> Installer, even.
[06:46] <Phily> kalenedrael: goto http://www.nvidia.com/object/linux_display_amd64_1.0-7664.html and follow directions don't use apt-get
[06:47] <kalenedrael> Um, I did.
[06:47] <kalenedrael> The problem is that certain other packages depend on these two packages which I can't seem to be able to install.
[06:47] <Phily> kalenedrael: get rid of mesa with nvidia drivers
[06:47] <kalenedrael> That eliminates everything.
[06:47] <kalenedrael> I mean, you wouldn't believe the number of packages that fucks with...
[06:48] <kalenedrael> I don't use mesa, but apt complains if you don't have it.
[06:48] <kalenedrael> apt is really stupid about this. It won't let me install anything right now, because it says I have broken packages.
[06:49] <kalenedrael> E: Unmet dependencies. Try 'apt-get -f install' with no packages (or specify a solution).
[06:50] <Phily> musashiden: have u finished compiling
[06:50] <musashiden> hey um, is cedega suppose to take so long compiling?
[06:50] <Phily> musashiden: yep
[06:52] <musashiden> ok :P
[06:52] <Phily> musashiden: go install nvidia driver berfore attempting to run cedega
[06:52] <musashiden> phily: already did :)
[06:53] <Phily> musashiden: run glxgears x needs to be rebooted for the extention to work
[06:53] <musashiden> so um, what do i do?
[06:53] <musashiden> btw, cedega isnt done compiling yet
[06:54] <Phily> musashiden: ctrl-c to stop compiling and restart later 
[06:55] <Phily> musashiden: what  is your hardware anywaay
[06:55] <musashiden> um...
[06:55] <musashiden> the hell i know
[06:55] <musashiden> :P
[06:55] <musashiden> i know is a nvidia tough
[06:55] <musashiden> 32mb
[06:56] <Phily> musashiden: ok its quite old
[06:56] <Phily> i dont think cedega is going to work for you
[06:56] <musashiden> T.T
[06:56] <ThisGuy> *Goes off to finally install Kubuntu*
[06:56] <Phily> musashiden: so the drivers are installed than
[06:56] <musashiden> phily: yes
[07:00] <musashiden> btw phily. i really appreciate all the help
[07:02] <Phily> musashiden your wlc
[07:02] <musashiden> hmm, an off topic question
[07:03] <musashiden> lets say i have windows installed on my laptop, and kubuntu in my desktop
[07:03] <musashiden> is it possible to use that remote desktop feature of windows, in kubuntu?
[07:04] <musashiden> connect to the desktop of kubuntu using windows?
[07:04] <Phily> musashiden: actually look for vnc and read on the subject
[07:04] <musashiden> vnc?
[07:04] <Phily> musashiden: you can use a vnc server and an http server to log from your laptop machine using a webroweser
[07:05] <musashiden> lets say i just wanna the remote desktop connection windows has instead of installing a server and stuff
[07:06] <Phily> musashiden; look at desktop sharing in kde but i use vnc
[07:08] <Foodcoman> glxgears wont run in my console....nvidia-glx installed....grrrrrrr.
[07:09] <Phily> Foodcoman console you mean when x is started
[07:10] <Foodcoman> Yes.
[07:10] <Foodcoman> I get and xlib error
[07:10] <Phily> what does glxgear spit out
[07:10] <Foodcoman> 2 lines.
[07:10] <musashiden> god, cedega is sure taking its time compiling..
[07:11] <Foodcoman> Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".
[07:11] <Foodcoman> Error: couldn't get an RGB, Double-buffered visual
[07:11] <Phily> Foodcoman how did you install
[07:11] <Foodcoman> Thats it.
[07:11] <Foodcoman> Apt
[07:11] <Phily> did you modify xorg.conf to use nvidia driver
[07:11] <Foodcoman> This is a breezy install
[07:12] <Foodcoman> I am X stupid.....So no I did not...
[07:12] <Foodcoman> Let me find it and look
[07:13] <Phily> paste you xorg.conf at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/
[07:13] <Foodcoman> This path right?   /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[07:14] <Phily> yep
[07:14] <karl_> anyone know how to get rid of the Dummy sound card in alsa? I think since it is card 0 programs are using it instead of my real card, number 1
[07:15] <Foodcoman> Its there as foodcoman
[07:15] <Phily> Foodcoman got it give me  sec
[07:15] <Foodcoman> Phily: NP and thank you.
[07:16] <Foodcoman> Everything should be vanilla.
[07:17] <Phily> Foodcoman: i dont think you posted it all
[07:17] <Foodcoman> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2283
[07:18] <Phily> Foodcoman: no i can see it but you did not paste the whole file
[07:19] <Foodcoman> Sorry!
[07:20] <triggerfist> hi everyone, i need help big time. I installed kubuntu 3 hours ago, and now i did a restart and its not going anywhere
[07:20] <triggerfist> i get a message something like kernel panic
[07:20] <Foodcoman> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2284  <--This should be the whole thing.
[07:21] <Phily> Foodcoman at line069 change nv for nvidia and you should be good to go
[07:21] <triggerfist> umm, i got an ati
[07:22] <Phily> triggerfist I was writing to Foodcoman
[07:22] <Foodcoman> Thanks Phily, You rock!   =)
[07:22] <triggerfist> oh
[07:22] <triggerfist> :)
[07:22] <triggerfist> does anyone knows how to fix it
[07:22] <Phily> Foodcoman: you need to restart x or reboot computer
[07:23] <triggerfist> i cant even get into the recovery mode
[07:23] <triggerfist> i get the same error
[07:23] <Phily> triggerfist: can you get to the console
[07:23] <Foodcoman> Phily will the ctrl+alt+bkspc work?
[07:23] <Phily> Foodcoman: to restart x?
[07:24] <Foodcoman> Yeah
[07:24] <triggerfist> i did not try foodcoman, because i did not know what to do?
[07:24] <triggerfist> can that be fixed?
[07:24] <Phily> Foodcoman: type in console "init 3"
[07:24] <Phily> than "after "init 5"
[07:24] <Foodcoman> Phily: Will do!
[07:24] <Phily> or start x
[07:24] <Phily> or start x
[07:24] <Phily> or "startx"
[07:24] <Phily> or just reboot comp
[07:25] <triggerfist> i mean phily
[07:25] <triggerfist> what can i check in the console phily? thank you 
[07:25] <Phily> triggerfist: please explain your prob
[07:25] <triggerfist> after grub loads
[07:26] <triggerfist> i goes on for 3 seconds then i get something like kernel panic
[07:26] <Phily> triggerfist: not good
[07:26] <triggerfist> and it stays like that
[07:27] <Phily> triggerfist: this is from a frech install
[07:27] <triggerfist> i just installed today :(
[07:27] <triggerfist> yes
[07:27] <Phily> triggerfist: you said that the kernel did load before did you update the kernel
[07:27] <triggerfist> no
[07:28] <triggerfist> i just did the upgrade in synaptic
[07:28] <triggerfist> it also says something like trying to kill init
[07:28] <musashiden> finally!
[07:28] <triggerfist> i just panic too :)
[07:28] <musashiden> it finished compiling!
[07:28] <triggerfist> i know this is not good
[07:29] <Phily> triggerfist: if this is a fresh install I would try to reinstall instead of fixing it
[07:29] <Phily> triggerfist: but does the computer log to the console?
[07:29] <triggerfist> do i lose all my settings?
[07:29] <triggerfist> i think i can
[07:29] <Phily> triggerfist: yep
[07:30] <musashiden> phily: what do i do now?
[07:30] <Phily> musashiden: for what cedega
[07:30] <triggerfist> umm
[07:30] <triggerfist> can i check anything in the console before i reisntall
[07:30] <triggerfist> at this point i dont lose anything
[07:31] <Phily> triggerfist: you have not answered my question does the computer boot in the console
[07:31] <triggerfist> yes
[07:31] <Phily> triggerfist: then it must be a video driver issue
[07:31] <musashiden> phily: yes, cedega finished compiling
[07:31] <triggerfist> i have ati
[07:32] <triggerfist> 9600
[07:32] <triggerfist> and the it was not working fine
[07:32] <triggerfist> it was indirect rendering
[07:32] <hussam> I'm using KDM with kdm theme from breezy. How do I make kdm NOT remember the last login name?
[07:32] <triggerfist> but i did not mess up with that 
[07:33] <Phily> triggerfist: ok do you have a bacup of your xorg.conf
[07:33] <triggerfist> write now im on a live cd so i have access to the original
[07:33] <triggerfist> i dont know if there is a backup
[07:33] <triggerfist> let me check
[07:34] <Phily> triggerfist: are you sure the live cd mounts your harddirve
[07:34] <triggerfist> yes
[07:34] <Phily> ok than send me your xorg.conf
[07:35] <Phily> triggerfist: r you running a laptop
[07:35] <triggerfist> no, regular pc
[07:36] <triggerfist> do you want me to send you the xorg.conf?
[07:36] <Phily> triggerfist: send me your boot.log
[07:37] <Phily> triggerfist: send me your boot.log
[07:37] <musashiden> phily: it didnt made a .cedega folder like it was supposed to...
[07:37] <triggerfist> ok, where is that file loca?ted
[07:39] <Phily> triggerfist: send me your xorg.log also
[07:39] <triggerfist> ok
[07:39] <musashiden> phily: a little help please?
[07:40] <Phily> musashiden: you followed all instructions on the wiki
[07:40] <musashiden> yes, and it didnt made that .cedega folder
[07:41] <musashiden> that cvscedega command doesnt work
[07:42] <Phily> musashiden wha does it output
[07:42] <Phily> the .cvscede
[07:42] <musashiden> bash: cvscedega: command not found
[07:43] <Phily> try putting ./ in front of it
[07:43] <musashiden> bash: ./cvscedega: No such file or directory
[07:44] <triggerfist> phily did you get it?
[07:44] <Phily> did you do sh WineCVS.sh
[07:46] <musashiden> phily: if by that you mean, compiled it, then yes
[07:46] <Phily> triggerfist: did you try to dcc the logs
[07:46] <musashiden> and yes, i did used that command
[07:46] <Phily> are you in the cvs directory
[07:46] <triggerfist> yes
[07:47] <Phily> triggerfist: well i had no request on my side
[07:47] <triggerfist> do you want me to cut and paste it?
[07:47] <Phily> triggerfist: yrp
[07:48] <musashiden> phily: yes
[07:48] <triggerfist> # /etc/X11/xorg.conf (xorg X Window System server configuration file)
[07:48] <triggerfist> #
[07:48] <triggerfist> # This file was generated by dexconf, the Debian X Configuration tool, using
[07:48] <triggerfist> # values from the debconf database.
[07:48] <triggerfist> #
[07:48] <triggerfist> # Edit this file with caution, and see the /etc/X11/xorg.conf manual page.
[07:48] <triggerfist> # (Type "man /etc/X11/xorg.conf" at the shell prompt.)
[07:48] <triggerfist> #
[07:48] <triggerfist> # This file is automatically updated on xserver-xorg package upgrades *only*
[07:48] <triggerfist> # if it has not been modified since the last upgrade of the xserver-xorg
[07:48] <triggerfist> # package.
[07:48] <triggerfist> #
[07:48] <Phily> triggerfist
[07:48] <triggerfist> # If you have edited this file but would like it to be automatically updated
[07:48] <triggerfist> # again, run the following commands:
[07:49] <Phily> dont pste in here go paste it
[07:49] <triggerfist> #
[07:49] <triggerfist> #   cp /etc/X11/xorg.conf /etc/X11/xorg.conf.custom
[07:49] <triggerfist> #   sudo sh -c 'md5sum /etc/X11/xorg.conf >/var/lib/xfree86/xorg.conf.md5sum'
[07:49] <triggerfist> #   sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[07:49] <triggerfist> Section "Files"
[07:49] <triggerfist> 	FontPath	"/usr/share/X11/fonts/misc"
[07:49] <musashiden> trigger! stop!
[07:49] <triggerfist> 	FontPath	"/usr/share/X11/fonts/cyrillic"
[07:49] <triggerfist> 	FontPath	"/usr/share/X11/fonts/100dpi/:unscaled"
[07:49] <triggerfist> 	FontPath	"/usr/share/X11/fonts/75dpi/:unscaled"
[07:49] <triggerfist> 	FontPath	"/usr/share/X11/fonts/Type1"
[07:49] <triggerfist> 	FontPath	"/usr/share/X11/fonts/CID"
[07:49] <triggerfist> 	FontPath	"/usr/share/X11/fonts/100dpi"
[07:49] <triggerfist> 	FontPath	"/usr/share/X11/fonts/75dpi"
[07:49] <triggerfist>         # paths to defoma fonts
[07:49] <triggerfist> 	FontPath	"/var/lib/defoma/x-ttcidfont-conf.d/dirs/TrueType"
[07:49] <Phily> triggerfist stop
[07:49] <triggerfist> 	FontPath	"/var/lib/defoma/x-ttcidfont-conf.d/dirs/CID"
[07:49] <triggerfist> EndSection
[07:49] <triggerfist> Section "Module"
[07:49] <triggerfist> 	Load	"GLcore"
[07:49] <triggerfist> 	Load	"i2c"
[07:49] <triggerfist> 	Load	"bitmap"
[07:49] <triggerfist> 	Load	"ddc"
[07:49] <karl_> anyone know how to get rid of the Dummy sound card in alsa? I think since it is card 0 programs are using it instead of my real card, number 1
[07:49] <triggerfist> 	Load	"dri"
[07:49] <triggerfist> 	Load	"extmod"
[07:49] <musashiden> omg, DUDE! STOP YOU EDIOT!
[07:49] <triggerfist> 	Load	"freetype"
[07:49] <triggerfist> 	Load	"glx"
[07:49] <triggerfist> 	Load	"int10"
[07:49] <triggerfist> 	Load	"type1"
[07:49] <triggerfist> 	Load	"vbe"
[07:50] <triggerfist> EndSection
[07:50] <karl_> triggerfist, join #flood
[07:50] <triggerfist> Section "InputDevice"
[07:50] <karl_> omg...
[07:50] <triggerfist> 	Identifier	"Generic Keyboard"
[07:50] <Phily> Phil lololololololololo
[07:50] <triggerfist> 	Driver		"kbd"
[07:50] <triggerfist> 	Option		"CoreKeyboard"
[07:50] <karl_> pasting his entire xorg.
[07:50] <triggerfist> 	Option		"XkbRules"	"xorg"
[07:50] <karl_> lmao
[07:50] <triggerfist> 	Option		"XkbModel"	"pc104"
[07:50] <triggerfist> 	Option		"XkbLayout"	"us"
[07:50] <triggerfist> EndSection
[07:50] <Kamping_Kaiser> um.
[07:50] <triggerfist> Section "InputDevice"
[07:50] <musashiden> isnt there a op in here that can ban him for like 2 minutes?
[07:50] <triggerfist> 	Identifier	"Configured Mouse"
[07:50] <Kamping_Kaiser> kick?
[07:50] <triggerfist> 	Driver		"mouse"
[07:50] <triggerfist> 	Option		"CorePointer"
[07:50] <triggerfist> 	Option		"Device"		"/dev/input/mice"
[07:50] <triggerfist> 	Option		"Protocol"		"ImPS/2"
[07:50] <triggerfist> 	Option		"Emulate3Buttons"	"true"
[07:50] <triggerfist> 	Option		"ZAxisMapping"		"4 5"
[07:50] <triggerfist> EndSection
[07:50] <Kamping_Kaiser> triggerfist: stop it
[07:50] <triggerfist> Section "Device"
[07:50] <triggerfist> 	Identifier	"ATI Technologies, Inc. Radeon 9600 (R300 AP)"
[07:50] <triggerfist> 	Driver		"ati"
[07:50] <triggerfist> 	BusID		"PCI:1:0:0"
[07:50] <triggerfist> EndSection
[07:50] <triggerfist> Section "Monitor"
[07:50] <triggerfist> 	Identifier	"LE500"
[07:50] <triggerfist> 	Option
[07:50] <triggerfist> sorry
[07:50] <triggerfist> hey guys thank you for the negativity, im new to this
[07:50] <triggerfist> i stop already
[07:51] <musashiden> god, thank for the freaking spamming
[07:51] <Kamping_Kaiser> triggerfist: paste lots of stuff in #flood or in pastebin.com
[07:51] <Kamping_Kaiser> not in the channel. 
[07:51] <Foodcoman> Newbie!  Be gentle!   ;-)
[07:51] <Kamping_Kaiser> usualy spamming (5 lines or more) is a ban able offence
[07:52] <hussam> How do I make kdm not remember the last login name? Is it possible?
[07:52] <Kamping_Kaiser> Foodcoman: nail them the first time and they dont do it again ;)
[07:52] <karl_> lol
[07:52] <Foodcoman> hehehe, rough start!  School of hard knocks!
[07:52] <Phily> i cant breath anymore I'm lauging so hard
[07:52] <karl_> i think i'll pipe the cat of my kernel to xchat now...
[07:52] <karl_> i think i'll pipe the cat of my kernel to xchat now...
[07:52] <karl_> hiccup.
[07:52] <Kamping_Kaiser> o_0
[07:52] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi karl_
[07:53] <triggerfist> im just trying to get help but you are just too much
[07:53] <karl_> hey Kaiser
[07:53] <triggerfist> like you born knowing everything mrs wise
[07:53] <karl_> lool
[07:53] <karl_> uninstall.
[07:53] <triggerfist> i mean mr
[07:53] <Kamping_Kaiser> triggerfist: http://pastebin.com/
[07:53] <Kamping_Kaiser> brb.
[07:53] <Foodcoman> triggerfist: There is etiquette online in IRC to keep it managable.  Hang in there and you will get the hang of it.
[07:54] <triggerfist> ok thanks
[07:54] <Foodcoman> Patience is also important.  These guy and girls are helping you for free.
[07:54] <musashiden> so anyways, as i was saying.
[07:54] <Foodcoman> You will be alright, just respect the oldtimers.
[07:54] <triggerfist> foodcoman where can i get the boot log
[07:54] <musashiden> this cvs is being a bish, seriously...
[07:55] <Foodcoman> in a console type dmesg    
[07:55] <Foodcoman> BTW, I am not one of the elite, so dont ask me to many questions!   <wink>
[07:56] <triggerfist> :)
[07:57] <Phily> triggerfist: I'll fix your computer give me your ip adress and paste in here the content of /etc/shadow
[07:57] <Phily> no dont do it
[07:57] <Phily> just kidding
[07:57] <Phily> sory im tired got to get some sleep
[07:57] <Foodcoman> l8r Phily!    =D
[07:58] <triggerfist> weell thank you phily
[07:58] <triggerfist> have a good night
[07:58] <Phily> triggerfist dont listen to me
[07:59] <triggerfist> i think there is something wrong with xorg. it has many symbols like in from of the spec lines
[07:59] <Phily> triggerfist: are you using broadband?
[07:59] <triggerfist> yes
[08:00] <Phily> triggerfist: i think it has to do when your ati driver, try to reinstall
[08:00] <triggerfist> but i guess it will do the same 
[08:00] <triggerfist> i really did not change anything
[08:01] <karl_> anyone know how to get rid of the Dummy sound card in alsa? I think since it is card 0 programs are using it instead of my real card, number 1
[08:01] <triggerfist> yes, take it out of the computer
[08:01] <Phily> triggerfist try installing from ati website
[08:01] <triggerfist> ok 
[08:01] <triggerfist> well i will let you know what happen next time phily
[08:01] <triggerfist> thnak you 
[08:02] <triggerfist> and have a very good night
[08:02] <triggerfist> you and everybody else
[08:02] <triggerfist> Im sorry for the posting
[08:02] <Phily> triggerfist: your welcome
[08:02] <triggerfist> i learned today not to do that anymore
[08:02] <Kamping_Kaiser> back. sorry about the rant triggerfist :)
[08:02] <Kamping_Kaiser> hope to see you again :-/
[08:02] <Phily> triggerfist: no prob I laight so hard
[08:02] <triggerfist> take care :)
[08:02] <triggerfist> no problem guys :)
[08:03] <Phily> laught
[08:03] <Kamping_Kaiser> later triggerfist
[08:03] <triggerfist> later kamping
[08:03] <Kamping_Kaiser> bleeding doze support when i could be in #kubuntu :/ no respect
[08:05] <karl_> check
[08:05] <karl_> wierd
[08:06] <Phily> Kamping_Kaiser: hey i'm french and dont understand what you mean by bleeding doze
[08:07] <Kamping_Kaiser> Phily: doze== windows. bleeding == polite way of swareing ;)
[08:08] <Foodcoman> No parle frances!
[08:08] <musashiden> i quit this shist, its driving me crazy!
[08:08] <Kamping_Kaiser> whats up?
[08:09] <musashiden> no matter wth i do, i cant get cedega to work!
[08:09] <Kamping_Kaiser> cedega or P2P?
[08:09] <Kamping_Kaiser> and whats failing?
[08:10] <karl_> musashiden: wait for the end of the year, wine will be completed.
[08:10] <musashiden> its cedega and i am done compiling everything and making all the folders and stuff
[08:11] <Kamping_Kaiser> 'completed' karl_?
[08:11] <musashiden> but i cant get cedega to run a game
[08:11] <Kamping_Kaiser> use the debs
[08:11] <musashiden> were are they?
[08:11] <anubis> you have to pay to use cedega right?
[08:11] <karl_> wompleted...stable
[08:11] <Kamping_Kaiser> in hte downloads area of transgaming.com
[08:11] <karl_> completed even
[08:11] <Kamping_Kaiser> anubis: yeh, afaik
[08:11] <karl_> it'll work.
[08:11] <karl_> thats waht i mean.
[08:11] <karl_> it'll just work.
[08:11] <Kamping_Kaiser> cool.
[08:11] <musashiden> kamping: you have to pay for those...
[08:12] <Kamping_Kaiser> musashiden: so source is free?
[08:12] <karl_> musashiden: you have to pay for cedega too
[08:12] <karl_> Kamping_Kaiser: no, it's proprietary
[08:12] <Kamping_Kaiser> i dont realy know much, i helped a mate with his :/
[08:12] <musashiden> kamping: yes, source is free
[08:12] <karl_> which is prolly why he's having troubles
[08:12] <Kamping_Kaiser> mmm.
[08:12] <karl_> musashiden: nooo it's not.
[08:12] <musashiden> yes it is
[08:12] <karl_> get over it.
[08:12] <musashiden> source is free
[08:12] <karl_> then compile it into a binary.
[08:12] <karl_> and it'll work.
[08:13] <karl_> just pirate it for cripes sake.
[08:13] <karl_> its on torrentspy
[08:13] <musashiden> karl_ you think i havent tried?
[08:13] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol. 
[08:13] <karl_> torrentspy.com
[08:13] <karl_> go there.
[08:13] <karl_> be enlightened
[08:13] <karl_> cant use p2p without payin tho
[08:13] <_klerm> sdsfdfsdfer
[08:13] <_klerm> hi
[08:14] <karl_> hi 
[08:14] <karl_> get your clown...i mean clone...out please
[08:15] <Kamping_Kaiser> does freenode have a gline policy?
[08:16] <musashiden> hey um, this command doesnt work
[08:16] <musashiden> <!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Strict//EN" "DTD/xhtml1-strict.dtd">
glxinfo | grep #direct rendering#

[08:16] <musashiden> err..wait
[08:16] <musashiden> glxinfo | grep #direct rendering#
[08:17] <musashiden> it outputs this
[08:17] <Kamping_Kaiser> er... escape the #s? 
[08:17] <musashiden> what?
[08:17] <Kamping_Kaiser> glxinfo | grep \#direct rendering\#
[08:18] <musashiden> doesnt work
[08:18] <musashiden> Usage: grep [OPTION] ... PATTERN [FILE] ...
[08:18] <musashiden> Try `grep --help' for more information.
[08:19] <Kamping_Kaiser> oh, space as well
[08:19] <musashiden> can anyone here please tell me after compiling and installing cedega right, WHY IN GODS NAME WONT IT WORK!
[08:19] <Kamping_Kaiser> glxinfo | grep \#direct\ rendering\#
[08:20] <Kamping_Kaiser> or - glxinfo | grep "#direct rendering#"
[08:21] <musashiden> anyone?
[08:21] <Kamping_Kaiser> no, i doubt anyone can tell you
[08:23] <musashiden> ugh, screw this. iam going to bed. i'll deal with this in the morning.
[08:27] <karl_> musashiden: because you made baby jesus cry.
[08:34] <panickedthumb> I always just typed glxinfo | grep 'direct rendering'
[08:35] <panickedthumb> it works fine
[08:35] <panickedthumb> no slashes or hashes or anything
[08:38] <Kamping_Kaiser> you quoted
[08:38] <Kamping_Kaiser> see my 'or - ' option ;)
[09:07] <author_> hi
[09:07] <upster> hello.. anyone here?  I struggling with setting my refresh rate on my monitor.  In the kde control panel at 1280x1024 it only gives me the choice of 60hz.  However, I've set VertRefresh to 46-120 but it seems like it ignores it?  what am I doing wrong?
[09:08] <author_> sudo kwrite /etc/X11/xorg.conf <- done?
[09:08] <Kamping_Kaiser> upster: have you restarted x?
[09:08] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi author_
[09:08] <upster> kamping:  yeah, I've even rebooted
[09:08] <author_> hi Kamping_Kaiser
[09:09] <upster> it shows all sorts of refresh rates for 1024x768 but only 60 for 1280x1024
[09:09] <author_> has anyone allredy installd brezzy?
[09:09] <author_> installed +e
[09:09] <Kamping_Kaiser> yep.
[09:09] <Kamping_Kaiser> but not kubuntu
[09:10] <adwait> hey, can someone help me out with kmail? the filters i create just won't work
[09:10] <author_> Kaiser: i want to compil any programms, but the KDE preafix.. i dont now the path
[09:11] <helpme> quake 2 wont install....help!
[09:11] <Kamping_Kaiser> adwait: im afraid i cant
[09:11] <Kamping_Kaiser> author_: kde prefix? 
[09:11] <Kamping_Kaiser> helpme: any more info?
[09:12] <author_> Kamping_Kaiser: yes, but in breezy any kde path's will be chanched in hoary it still works O_O
[09:12] <Kamping_Kaiser> o_o
[09:13] <author_> sry "preafix" is this richtig english?
[09:13] <author_> richtig= right
[09:14] <Kamping_Kaiser> prefix i think is what your after?
[09:15] <helpme> i wanna install quake 2 demo only
[09:16] <Kamping_Kaiser> what went wrong then helpme?
[09:16] <helpme> i pressed install button and it wud crash...or i dont see anything after that
[09:17] <author_> mhm i think its the wrong place to qestion.. bye
[09:18] <Kamping_Kaiser> helpme: i havent tried to install it, so im not sure what your talking about. which button?
[09:19] <helpme> u know that install button on the quake 2 spash screen when u execute the win-quake2 demo exe file
[09:20] <Kamping_Kaiser> no i dont. i have never installed quake 2. but your using a windows version? so are you trying to install through wine or cedega?
[09:21] <helpme> wine
[09:22] <Kamping_Kaiser> have you tried in the wine channel? someone there might have tried to install quake2 themselfs
[09:23] <helpme> uhh....ok i'lll go to wine channel...funny i never thought about it....whats wine channel #wine right?
[09:24] <helpme> whats name of wine channel?
[09:25] <Kamping_Kaiser> thts it
[09:26] <helpme> but in channel #wine, theres NO ONE! only me!
[09:27] <Kamping_Kaiser> sure?
[09:27] <Kamping_Kaiser> its #winehq
[10:10] <spiral> hi
[10:12] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi spiral :)
[10:44] <ubuntu> hi all
[10:44] <ubuntu> I have some questions according kubuntu vs ubuntu.
[10:45] <ubuntu> Are there any programs or functions missing in kubuntu?
[10:45] <crimsun> no
[10:45] <ubuntu> according to ubuntu
[10:45] <ubuntu> And are all ubuntu packets compatible?
[10:45] <crimsun> kubuntu is just kde installed on top of ubuntu-minimal
[10:45] <crimsun> ubuntu is just gnome installed on top of ubuntu-minimal
[10:46] <ubuntu> So if I install a program it is installed in k menu too?
[10:46] <crimsun> (of course that drags in X.Org, etc.)
[10:46] <ubuntu> crimsun: thanks
[10:46] <crimsun> short answer: more than likely, yes. Long answer: not necessarily. Not all the packages use the same menu system.
[10:47] <nikkia> crimsun: which is the whole point of the desktop-utils stuff
[10:47] <ubuntu> but there are no problems with any packets
[10:47] <ubuntu> except that I have to create an own menu entry?
[10:47] <nikkia> ie, menus for both KDE and Gnome are formed from .desktop files
[10:48] <ubuntu> nikkia: thanks
[10:49] <nikkia> its conceivable that a package could use a .desktop feature that isn't supported properly in one or the other though
[10:49] <nikkia> don't think i've seen it happen so far, tho
[10:49] <nikkia> the most likely cause of an app installing but not getting a menu, is simply that the .desktop file is in the wrong place
[10:50] <nikkia> but kde and gnome *should* look in each directory in your path, then the system-wide defined locations (/usr/share/applications among others)
[10:52] <nikkia> (you may notice that the /usr/share/applications directory doesn't have 'structure', and wonder how it determines where to put them in the menu - simple, the .desktop includes a category field :)
[11:08] <dale> hi
[11:08] <dale> any peoole here?
[11:09] <Kaiser_away> in a manner of speaking
[11:09] <dale> how r u?
[11:09] <Kamping_Kaiser> not bad :) hows it going?
[11:14] <chx> hi. something is wrong with usb mass storage. i plug in a device (tried an usb pen and an sd card reader) dmesg lists /dev/sdc or /dev/sdd but said device does not exist in /dev/* . It was working a few days ago. What should I restart?
[11:15] <nikkia> chx, is dmesg listing partitions on the device?
[11:15] <chx> nikkia: yes
[11:16] <nikkia> chx, odd, in that case, all i could guess is that its a udev issue
[11:16] <chx> Attached scsi removable disk sdd at scsi28, channel 0, id 0, lun 1
[11:16] <chx> ls: /dev/sdd*: No such file or directory
[11:16] <nikkia> no, that hasn't reported partitions
[11:16] <nikkia> the partition report will be along the lines of '[sdd1 sdd2] '
[11:16] <chx> but I can't reach it through fdisk
[11:16] <nikkia> but even so, /dev/sdd should exist
[11:17] <chx> indeed
[11:17] <chx> I thought there must be some daemon which does not run and I should start/restart it
[11:17] <nikkia> chx, i'd check your udev rules, could be that its failing in there... my understanding is that the device name that is reported in dmesg is the pre-udev name, and it hasn't been rewritten yet
[11:18] <nikkia> chx, there is, udev, but its not really a daemon, just a set of rules and a program that is applied whenever a new device is detected
[11:18] <nikkia> udev takes the new device's info (from /sys) and creates device nodes for it
[11:18] <nikkia> if you've unmounted /sys for any reason, it might cause new devices not to be put in /dev too
[11:19] <chx> neh sys is mounted
[11:21] <nikkia> chx, then i'd still say its likely that udev's confused
[11:21] <chx> i am trying
[11:21] <chx>   /etc/init.d/udev restart
[11:21] <nikkia> perhaps your rules are broken *shrug*
[11:21] <nikkia> chx, that doesn't really do anything, sadly
[11:21] <chx> I got a stuck udevstart :)
[11:22] <nikkia> chx, the problem with restarting udev is, it will trash a lot of important runtime nodes, like your ptys, usually ends up needing a reboot :)
[11:22] <chx> great :(
[11:22] <chx> well
[11:27] <dale> gheloo
[11:27] <dale> heloo
[11:27] <dale> helo chx
[11:28] <chx> hi
[11:35] <hussam> crimsun: are you there?
[11:37] <othomas> good morning all..:)
[11:39] <othomas> if it gets any better, i'll just burst into a renditionj of "the hill's are alive"!
[11:41] <othomas> GM libben
[11:44] <libben> gm all
[11:44] <libben> im hungry, thinking of going for some wook
[11:45] <libben> tandori chicken.
[11:45] <libben> btw, isnt americas army for linux ?
[11:47] <othomas> i have chicken thawing..BBQ?
[11:48] <othomas> i think ALL are sleeping or something
[11:49] <othomas> morning onesandzeros
[11:49] <onesandzeros> othomas: what's up?
[11:50] <libben> where can i download americasarmy for linux ?
[11:50] <libben> on their site, its just windows binaries
[11:50] <othomas> no idea libben 
[11:50] <othomas> libben too
[11:51] <othomas> dirt on my screen made that look like libbeh
[11:52] <othomas> good start to the day..LOL
[11:54] <othomas> 6:00 am and still have to do the in-laws...got any excuses for a reason to pass?
[11:55] <libben> ur up early =)
[11:55] <libben> its 11:55 here
[11:55] <othomas> yup. butt feels like i fell on it..pain is an insperation
[11:56] <othomas> you in russia?
[11:57] <libben> sweden
[11:57] <othomas> ahhhh, lovely country..:)
[11:59] <libben> yes it is. 
[11:59] <libben> bbl, food
[12:00] <othomas> kk, take care
[12:02] <othomas> GM smux, sorush20 and jpatrick
[12:03] <jpatrick> :/
[12:04] <othomas> hi Jured
[12:04] <Juerd> Should the person who made the new kubuntu splash screen be in here: I absolutely love it!
[12:04] <Juerd> (Blinking letters, building the word 'kubuntu')
[12:04] <othomas> juerd too
[12:05] <Juerd> And hi
[12:05] <othomas> yes it works for me as well
[12:05] <othomas>  :)
[12:05] <Juerd> It looks better than icons
[12:05] <othomas> much
[12:05] <Juerd> And it's actually quite fun while at the same time staying serious.
[12:06] <othomas> lol
[12:06] <othomas> hi Leshrac
[12:06] <othomas> hi square
[12:07] <[square] > hi othomas 
[12:07] <Leshrac> hlo
[12:07] <[square] > g'day
[12:07] <othomas> breezy won't install here..hangs on usb hardware
[12:07] <Juerd> Why do sleep and hibernate never work on my machines?
[12:07] <othomas> it's hyper active?
[12:07] <Juerd> I've been using all sorts of Linux for the past 7 years. Never have I been able to get them to sleep and wake up again.
[12:08] <Juerd> I've seen people report things working out of the box with ubuntu and this very laptop
[12:08] <Juerd> But for me - of course it doesn't work.
[12:08] <othomas> eck, sorry Juerd
[12:08] <Juerd> I had it working one time. And then wifi died on reboot. It died and didn't come back until I booted Windows.
[12:09] <othomas> how strange
[12:09] <Juerd> Besides, booting from hibernation took as long as a normal boot, making it a bit pointless
[12:09] <othomas> yup
[12:09] <Juerd> I'd like normal stand by to work though :)
[12:09] <burepe> Hello, nice to be back.
[12:10] <burepe> Does anybody know the command to install the gnome desktop?
[12:10] <Juerd> apt-get install gnome-desktop-environment
[12:10] <burepe> Does anybody know the command to install the gnome desktop?
[12:10] <Juerd> Don't repeat, please.
[12:10] <burepe> accident
[12:10] <burepe> cool
[12:10] <burepe> thanks
[12:11] <Juerd> You can search through the repositories with "apt-cache search <keyword"
[12:11] <Juerd> Eh
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[12:11] <Juerd> I found this with "apt-cache search gnome-desktop"
[12:11] <Juerd> Note that this is apt-cache, not apt-get
[12:11] <burepe> the kde one is the same with out -enviroment so I tried that and failed
[12:11] <burepe> thanks for the tip
[12:11] <Juerd> Now get out of here, you gnome fan ;)
[12:12] <Juerd> Just kidding, of course
[12:12] <burepe> no...
[12:12] <burepe> i know
[12:12] <burepe> i just need it for this slow comp
[12:12] <burepe> only had a kubuntu disk
[12:13] <Juerd> Funny. It's usually the other way around for me.
[12:13] <othomas> gnome is only slightly less intense
[12:14] <Juerd> I commonly have 10+ ubuntu discs and not a single kubuntu one lying around spread all over our offices.
[12:14] <Juerd> othomas: What do you mean by 'intense'?
[12:15] <Juerd> Woohoo, a working hibernation
[12:15] <othomas> lol
[12:15] <Juerd> So it crashes during hibernating if I use the hibernate button
[12:15] <Juerd> But echo 4 > /proc/acpi/sleep does work.
[12:15] <Juerd> How weird is that?
[12:16] <othomas> i have never tried the sleep button here..
[12:16] <Juerd> Time to replace 25 line hibernate.sh with a single line!
[12:16] <othomas> whew, does nothing
[12:17] <othomas> lol
[12:17] <Juerd> Or, I could take out the /sys thing and replace it with the /proc thing and see what that does
[12:18] <othomas> hi abbas_sahbaz
[12:18] <Juerd> Let's try the /sys line manually first.
[12:19] <Juerd> That works too.
[12:19] <othomas> do /proc now
[12:19] <Juerd> Did that a few minutes ago
[12:19] <othomas> ahhh ok
[12:20] <Juerd> Something else in the script must be causing the crash then
[12:20] <othomas> yup
[12:23] <Juerd> I can run prepare.sh without a crash too. I can't run hibernate.sh without a crash, so it's not the button that causes the problem.
[12:24] <othomas> does whole system go down or just X?
[12:24] <Juerd> The screen is blanked
[12:24] <Juerd> I hear the harddrive shut down, and then it freezes.
[12:24] <Juerd> I can't find any specific line that has to do with hard drives shutting down, unfortunately.
[12:24] <othomas> sleep does that part..
[12:25] <Juerd> What do you mean by 'sleep'?
[12:25] <Juerd> The echo disk > /sys/power/state?
[12:25] <abbas_sahbaz> hi othomas
[12:25] <othomas> tells the system to shutoff power to the drives and monitor
[12:25] <othomas>  :)
[12:26] <Juerd> If I echo to that semifile manually, it works correctly.
[12:26] <othomas> try doing it line by line till it crashes
[12:28] <Juerd> How do you do it line by line?
[12:28] <Juerd> Does bash have an option for that?
[12:30] <othomas> you know what command works for sleep..so try the next command and see what happens
[12:36] <othomas> musrta crashed
[12:39] <othomas> sec potty time..:(
[12:41] <othomas> bk
[12:43] <Juerd> wb
[12:43] <jpatrick> Wow
[12:44] <jpatrick> Next version is The Dapper Drake 
[12:44] <Juerd> I'm missing a y in there
[12:44] <othomas> ty
[12:44] <Kamping_Kaiser> yeh, its cool
[12:44] <jpatrick> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=350378#post350378
[12:44] <Juerd> After warty, hoary, breezy, I'd almost say dappery :)
[12:44] <othomas> lol
[12:44] <Kamping_Kaiser> i saw the offical anoucement email ;)
[12:45] <othomas> hey Kamping_Kaiser  gm
[12:45] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi othomas. evening :)
[12:46] <othomas>  :)
[12:46] <Kamping_Kaiser> hows it goin?
[12:46] <othomas> good so far..heh
[12:46] <Juerd> I think I'll use bash -x and see if that can tell me more about what goes wrong
[12:47] <Juerd> It's in prepare.sh alright. Even though I can start that manually without any freezeup
[12:47] <othomas> hi elvirolo 
[12:48] <elvirolo> when i change my network settings in "network settings" (kcontrol) from dhcp to static ip and then apply the settings, it goes backto dhcp
[12:48] <elvirolo> does the same happen for you ?
[12:48] <jpatrick> elvirolo: it's some freak bug
[12:49] <elvirolo> will it be fixed?
[12:50] <jpatrick> ...
[12:50] <othomas> elvirolo, does it need to be?
[12:50] <elvirolo> well ... yes! 
[12:50] <othomas> why?
[12:51] <elvirolo> because that means i can't switch to static ip without fiddling with my config files!
[12:51] <othomas> hi burepe 
[12:51] <jpatrick> elvirolo: well yeah
[12:51] <jpatrick> elvirolo: I think it's in /etc/network/interfaces
[12:51] <othomas> elvirolo, aren't you static already?
[12:51] <elvirolo> jpatrick: yeah i know :)
[12:51] <burepe> hi
[12:52] <elvirolo> othomas: no, dhcp 
[12:53] <othomas> wb musashiden 
[12:53] <othomas> wb mustafu
[12:54] <mustafu> oth: thanks, I guess?
[12:54] <othomas> lol
[12:54] <burepe> Someone just told me a command to search for commands, apt-get cache or something, could you tell me one more time I had a crash and lost the command.
[12:54] <elvirolo> so, shall i fill in a bug report ?
[12:55] <othomas> elvirolo, won't hurt to do so
[12:55] <elvirolo> ok
[12:55] <elvirolo> btw, is it relevant to report bugs related to internationalisation yet ?
[12:55] <jpatrick> elvirolo: someone has probably done that
[12:55] <burepe> was it juerd who was helping me?
[12:56] <othomas> yes, i am sure it was
[12:56] <othomas> heh
[12:59] <mustafu> Could anyone give me some pointers concerning the difference between opensource / proprietary Nvidia card drivers?
[01:00] <Juerd> F_ound it!
[01:00] <Juerd> s/_//
[01:01] <mustafu> ?
[01:01] <othomas> woohoo
[01:01] <Juerd> It's a combination of having my EDGE card inserted, and cardctl eject
[01:01] <Juerd> Funnily enough, it does work without cardctl eject
[01:01] <othomas> hi JensK and leslie
[01:02] <Juerd> So why is that command even executed. Does anyone know?
[01:02] <othomas> no idea here
[01:02] <mustafu> cardctl eject = similar to using 'safely remove devices' in windows, I wonder?
[01:02] <othomas> does that pop your CDROM drive?
[01:03] <burepe> Can someone tell me how to search for apt-get command names?
[01:03] <Juerd> mustafu: Yes
[01:03] <Juerd> othomas: No, it ejects pcmcia/cardbus devices
[01:03] <othomas> burepe, type apt-get and hit enter
[01:03] <mustafu> Juerd: thanks
[01:04] <burepe> thanks
[01:04] <othomas> Juerd, k thanks
[01:05] <Juerd> I'm getting close to having enough information to write a bug report
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[01:05] <Juerd> With would be the 4th this week :)
[01:07] <othomas> hi Kyaneos 
[01:08] <othomas> Juerd, tell abot the usb stuff too
[01:08] <othomas> lol
[01:08] <Juerd> What USB stuff?
[01:08] <Juerd> I'm not reporting bugs I haven't experienced myself.
[01:08] <Juerd> It's easy to report a bug. Go to bugzilla.ubuntulinux.org
[01:08] <othomas> USB hangs on install of breezy
[01:08] <jpatrick> othomas: it didn't hang here :-/
[01:09] <Dark_Sith> hello people
[01:09] <Juerd> ehm
[01:09] <Juerd> bugzilla.ubuntu.com
[01:09] <Juerd> othomas: Not for me
[01:09] <Juerd> Dark_Sith: hallo
[01:10] <Dark_Sith> Juerd: yo
[01:10] <othomas> hi Dark_Sith 
[01:10] <uli> hi
[01:10] <Dark_Sith> anyone know where i can find mplayer for breezer?
[01:10] <uli> i have question
[01:10] <Juerd> Dark_Sith: multiverse
[01:10] <Juerd> uli: Ask it
[01:10] <othomas> hi uli
[01:10] <uli> in the kubuntu release, are the nvidia drivers installed or not?
[01:11] <uli> because it is told, i MUST remove the nvidia drivers before installing ati
[01:11] <Dark_Sith> Juerd: multiverse?
[01:11] <Juerd> Dark_Sith: Yep. Do you know how to edit a text file as root?
[01:12] <libben> aaah
[01:12] <Dark_Sith> Juerd: sudo gedit filename
[01:12] <libben> im stuffed.
[01:12] <uli> ehm....  well i dont know how to find out, if the driver are installed
[01:12] <libben> shouldent have eaten the last one.
[01:13] <othomas> wb libben
[01:13] <libben> othomas: or anyone else. export path. 
[01:13] <Juerd> Dark_Sith: For example. Are you familiar with /etc/apt/sources.list?
[01:13] <libben> i want my path to be system-wide and permant
[01:14] <jpatrick> Dark_Sith: it's kdesu kwrite filename / gksudo gedit filename
[01:14] <burepe> othomas: I think my question was ambigous. I want to know how to search for apt-get package, for example if I want to install firefox is there a way to search for the specific apt-get command to install firefox. Does that make sense?
[01:14] <uli> mhm :( no one an idea?
[01:15] <jpatrick> Dark_Sith: Never sudo for GUIs
[01:15] <mustafu> uli: I don't believe they're installed by default
[01:15] <libben> hmm
[01:15] <uli> good
[01:15] <libben> just tried the new splash
[01:15] <libben> hmm
[01:15] <libben> just tried the default theme ever.
[01:15] <Dark_Sith> jpatrick: y not if i may ask?
[01:15] <libben> it was real nice
[01:15] <uli> i believed to, but i wasnt sure
[01:15] <libben> something more like that but with kubuntu over it would be nice.
[01:15] <jpatrick> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo
[01:15] <elvirolo> whoops
[01:15] <elvirolo> anyone using amarok 1.3 ?
[01:15] <Dark_Sith> jpatrick: never mind you are right :-)
[01:16] <[square] > hello
[01:16] <elvirolo> amarok uses up > 8O% CPU here
[01:16] <[square] > how to upload hoary to breezy?
[01:16] <othomas> elvirolo, it does use a lot of cpu here too
[01:17] <jpatrick> [square] : upload??
[01:17] <elvirolo> [square] : sudo kwrite /etc/apt/sources.list and replace all ocurences from "hoary" to "breezy"
[01:17] <elvirolo> jpatrick: i suppose he means upgrade
[01:17] <[square] > ops upgrade :P
[01:18] <Dark_Sith> Juerd: jpatrick is right, its: kdesu kate /etc/apt/source.list
[01:18] <[square] > thanks elvirolo 
[01:18] <elvirolo> othomas: there's a bug about a memory leak here :https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=15617
[01:18] <elvirolo> [square] : NP :)
[01:18] <[square] > ^^
[01:19] <uli> anyone tried the ati installer (from which i heard it sucks) for the kubuntu 5.10 ?
[01:19] <Dark_Sith> jpatrick: do you know where i can find mplayer foor breezy?
[01:20] <Noriega> kcik ass
[01:22] <Noriega> now...
[01:22] <jpatrick> Dark_Sith: sudo apt-get install mplayer ?
[01:23] <Dark_Sith> jpatrick: tried that, no results
[01:24] <jpatrick> odd
[01:25] <jpatrick> I thought I saw it esterday
[01:25] <jpatrick> yesterday*
[01:26] <Dark_Sith> jpatrick: according to the kubuntu wiki, i should be installing mplayer-386, but n oluck finding it 
[01:27] <jpatrick> sudo apt-get install mplayer-396
[01:27] <jpatrick> Section: multiverse/graphics
[01:31] <othomas> elvirolo, amarok has a livecd out..now I know why there is a lengthy loadup
[01:33] <libben> what is adept ?
[01:34] <libben> its a package manager
[01:34] <libben> just read the apt-cache about it
[01:34] <libben> is it good ? does it replace synaptic?
[01:35] <jpatrick> libben: it's pretty good
[01:35] <jpatrick> I like it
[01:35] <jpatrick> :)
[01:35] <Noriega> how do I fix so that the letters aren't this darn big?
[01:35] <libben> so compared to synaptic then jpatrick 
[01:36] <jpatrick> libben: It's quite good for a new app
[01:37] <Noriega> there...
[01:37] <elvirolo> it is interesting, but not as good as synapti
[01:37] <elvirolo> c
[01:37] <jpatrick> elvirolo: it's hot new software :)
[01:38] <othomas> lol
[01:38] <elvirolo> :)
[01:38] <othomas> hey nalioth 
[01:39] <nalioth> othomas: howdy
[01:39] <elvirolo> othomas: sry, you know if the amarok bug is going to be fixed?
[01:39] <slow-motion> hallo
[01:39] <elvirolo> it's using up 90 % of the CPU here
[01:44] <ubuntu> hello
[01:44] <ubuntu> arg
[01:45] <othomas> heh
[01:45] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi ;)
[01:45] <Noriega> so, how do I mount my hard drive? :|
[01:45] <othomas> wb
[01:45] <othomas> i like dog style
[01:45] <nalioth> Noriega: what type of hard drive and what's on it?
[01:45] <Noriega> I'm at the "Shell", what commands should I use
[01:45] <Noriega> ntfs, mostly... crap ;)
[01:46] <nalioth> !tell Noriega about ntfs
[01:46] <tilix> hi
[01:46] <othomas> change it to fat32 Noriega 
[01:46] <Noriega> yeah no writing only reading
[01:46] <tilix> I`m trying to compile GPLFlash2
[01:46] <Kamping_Kaiser> hm. downloading lang packs. that could explain some issues i had
[01:46] <tilix> I get this: configure: error: *** cannot find X11 development files
[01:46] <Noriega> but I only want to read right now ;)
[01:46] <tilix> does somebody know the package name for this?
[01:47] <Noriega> thanks nalioth 
[01:47] <nalioth> Noriega: np
[01:47] <nalioth> tilix: you need to install "xlibs-dev"
[01:48] <tilix> nalioth: thanks
[01:48] <nalioth> tilix: np
[01:49] <tilix> Failed to fetch http://bg.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/x/xorg/xlibs-dev_6.8.2-64_all.deb  404 Not Found [IP: 82.211.81.182 80] 
[01:51] <uli> hi, is it possible to installthe kernel headers via apt-get ? 
[01:51] <nalioth> tilix: try changing your archive to gb or no prefix at all
[01:51] <jpatrick> tilix: sudo apt-get update
[01:51] <nalioth> uli: yes it is
[01:52] <uli> sudo apt-get install kernel-headers-`uname -r`  ? but i get a message then:"Couldn't find package kernel-headers-2.6.12-8-amd64-generic"
[01:52] <uli> maybe my apt-get list not updated?
[01:52] <nalioth> uli: amd64 is behind in some packages. are you using hoary or breezy?
[01:52] <uli> breezy
[01:53] <nalioth> uli: yes, give it some time, amd64 and ppc pkgs lag behind x85 in their availability
[01:53] <nalioth> x86, even
[01:54] <uli> aaaah... so i have to compile a kernel myself then :-/ (becuase ati requires at least the kernel sources)
[01:54] <Chousuke> and some packages are not available at all :/
[01:54] <Chousuke> like flash. :P
[01:54] <nalioth> uli: breezy is still under heavy bug smashing developement
[01:54] <nalioth> uli: i'd wait until oct 13 before i started worrying about video drivers and sush
[01:54] <nalioth> such
[01:55] <jpatrick> nalioth: Breezy is quite okay here
[01:55] <uli> you right, i guess. i just couldnt wait to try the new release. lol
[01:55] <jpatrick> I'm using it now :)
[01:55] <nalioth> jpatrick: yes, it is "ok" but with the constant bugfix updates, it might not be "ok" tomorrow 
[01:55] <nalioth> jpatrick: yes i use it also on one of my machines
[02:01] <tilix> nalioth: I`ve installed it. But I still get this message.
[02:01] <uli> aaah, this is the right command right? "sudo apt-get install build-essential linux-headers-`uname -r`"
[02:03] <nalioth> tilix: open kynaptic (kdesu kynaptic) and search for "-dev" look for xorg or xwindows or x something -dev
[02:06] <tilix> nalioth: I found it - x-window-system-dev
[02:06] <nalioth> tilix: cool
[02:14] <othomas> test
[02:15] <nalioth> othomas: test what?
[02:25] <reuben> hi
[02:26] <reuben> is it possible to upgrade to GCC4.0?
[02:26] <Juerd> Depends on your definition of possibility
[02:26] <Juerd> apt-get install gcc-4.0 may help
[02:27] <nalioth> reuben: yes, when you upgrade to breezy
[02:27] <reuben> what sources do i need to add to upgrade to it?
[02:27] <Juerd> Except for the missing sound 
[02:27] <Juerd> reuben: Change all occurences of 'hoary' (or even 'warty') to 'breezy'
[02:27] <slow-motion> re
[02:28] <Juerd> In general, mixing releases in your sources file I advise against
[02:30] <nalioth> !upgrade2breezy
[02:30] <ubotu> The guide to upgrading to breezy (5.10) is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyUpgrade
[02:35] <reuben> do i change apt-get install ubuntu-base ubuntu-desktop to kubuntu?
[02:36] <nalioth> reuben: install "kubuntu-desktop"
[02:37] <Kamping_Kaiser> !extras
[02:37] <ubotu> [extras]  For extra repositories, check out http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969
[02:38] <nalioth_zZz> y'all be good
[02:39] <Kamping_Kaiser> can someone give me the url of hoary-extras? something at mirrormax from memory. firefox isnt working for me :(
[02:42] <libben> deb http://public.planetmirror.com/pub/ubuntu-backports/ hoary-extras main universe multiverse restricted
[02:43] <Kamping_Kaiser> thanks mate
[02:46] <Kamping_Kaiser> libben: are the mirrors only binary or are there src debs as well
[02:47] <klerm> hello anybody there
[02:47] <Juerd> klerm: No :)
[02:47] <klerm> hehehehe
[02:48] <_klerm> hahahahahaha
[02:48] <_klerm> (F)
[02:49] <|apokryp|> Goood morning everybody
[02:49] <|apokryp|> or afternoon, I should say
[02:49] <Kamping_Kaiser> night will do me ;)
[02:52] <apokryphos> how you doin', Kamping_Kaiser?
[02:52] <nikkia> apokryphos: ?
[02:52] <apokryphos> nikkia: hola
[02:52] <othomas> sec batroom
[02:52] <nikkia> apokryphos: don't be getting all spanish on me !!  :P
[02:53] <apokryphos> 8)
[02:53] <nikkia> apokryphos: we had one of the spanish guys visit, last week
[02:53] <libben> how do i make my path perm?
[02:53] <nikkia> it was hiliarious...
[02:53] <Kamping_Kaiser> apokryphos: not bad, thanks. yourself?
[02:53] <libben> ive lost my exported path from yesterday
[02:53] <nikkia> apokryphos: his english was ok, except for one word that he had to constantly keep looking up in his spanish/english dictionary
[02:53] <Chousuke> libben: put it in some initialisation file
[02:53] <nikkia> 'fill'
[02:53] <apokryphos> Kamping_Kaiser: excellent! Had a good sleep.
[02:53] <Chousuke> like ~/.bashrc
[02:53] <nalioth_zZz> libben: put it in your ~/.bashrc
[02:54] <Kamping_Kaiser> great :D
[02:54] <apokryphos> nikkia: don't keep us in suspense ;-)
[02:54] <nikkia> he'd be like 'when you press this button the software will... ummm..ummm...ummm.... <rummage> fill the flash memory'
[02:55] <nikkia> it was hard not to burst into laughter each time he managed to get out 10-20 'technical' words just fine, then fall over at 'fill' :)
[02:55] <apokryphos> hehe
[02:55] <apokryphos> :D
[02:55] <apokryphos> We barely had to know any spanish at all
[02:55] <apokryphos> Just a couple of local cafes it came in handy
[02:55] <libben> nalioth_zZz: thats not system-wide
[02:56] <nalioth_zZz> libben: no. but it works for you
[02:56] <libben> yeah i know. but i feel for a system-wide. no reason to not do it system wide.
[02:56] <libben> or. well. its easier and faster maybe by doing it just in bashrc
[02:56] <nalioth_zZz> libben: yes, do the ~/.bashrc
[02:57] <nikkia> libben, without profile.d its most definitely easier in .bashrc :/
[02:58] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[02:58] <nikkia> apokryphos: its all in the source :P
[02:59] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[02:59] <nikkia> apokryphos: i believe it uses the nicks in the settings first, which are autogenerated from your username the first time you run it, and stuff like user + _, _ + user, [user] , etc
[03:00] <nikkia> apokryphos: if you go to 'identity' in the settings, there is an 'alternates' button which defines the alternate nicknames to use
[03:00] <apokryphos> ah, it was right in front of me
[03:00] <apokryphos> I see
[03:00] <libben> so i just add my export thingy in the end of my bashrx
[03:00] <libben> so i just add my export thingy in the end of my bashrc
[03:01] <kubuntu> where can I define multimedia keys
[03:01] <kubuntu> they doesn't work out of the box
[03:01] <dale> hi
[03:02] <kubuntu> hi dale 
[03:02] <dale> hi
[03:02] <apokryphos> kubuntu: khotkeys, if it's working for you.
[03:02] <dale> asl?
[03:02] <kubuntu> apokryphos: I have to install it?
[03:02] <apokryphos> kubuntu: no, you should have it
[03:02] <nalioth_zZz> libben: yes
[03:02] <kubuntu> apokryphos: where?
[03:03] <apokryphos> kubuntu: either access it from kcontrol, or terminal -> khotkeys
[03:03] <apokryphos> It hasn't been working for many though, unfortunately.
[03:03] <libben> nalioth_zZz: export PATH=/usr/lib/j2re1.5-sun/bin:"${PATH}"
[03:03] <libben> is in my bashrc
[03:03] <kubuntu> I have no KControl, I have only system settings
[03:03] <kubuntu> Preview 5.10
[03:03] <jpatrick> kubuntu: it should be there
[03:04] <kubuntu> maybe I am blind :)
[03:04] <jpatrick> under Region/Accessibility
[03:04] <kubuntu> oh
[03:04] <libben> but what if i wanna add another path to it, wouldent i make a duplicate of /usr/lib/j2re if i do it like export PATH=/usr/lib/j2re1.5-sun/bin:/my/new/path"${PATH}"
[03:04] <kubuntu> found it, thanks
[03:04] <libben> wouldent my java path be in the {path} thing and be duplicated ?
[03:04] <kubuntu> I have searched it under keyboad
[03:04] <nalioth_zZz> libben: you just add to the end
[03:05] <libben> allready made that change, now im asking what happends if i wanna add another. aa.. u mean a new line ? with same export PATH=/new/path:"${PATH}"
[03:06] <nalioth_zZz> libben: just put a colon : and add the next path
[03:07] <libben> yeah, but when i do that, isnt it gonna be duplicated by the {PATH} ? cause java allready in my main path according to {path}
[03:07] <nalioth_zZz> libben: i dont think there'll be any problems with duplicates
[03:07] <nikkia> libben, the path is searched in order
[03:08] <libben> k
[03:08] <nikkia> the first match is the one executed, after it is found, the path is no longer checked
[03:08] <libben> aah
[03:08] <libben> good to know.
[03:08] <nikkia> (and bash usually stores that location and doesn't check next time you run it, either, which is why you need to run hash -r in bash sometimes)
[03:08] <libben> nikkia: ur female ill take it?
[03:09] <libben> hash -r reloads the bashrc ?
[03:09] <nikkia> libben, yes, does this need to be an issue with everyone ?
[03:09] <nikkia> libben, no, hash -r resets bash's internal hash table of where programs are
[03:09] <othomas> whoa, a woman!
[03:09] <othomas> heh
[03:09] <libben> not at all? has it been an issue before ?
[03:09] <nalioth_zZz> othomas: be civil
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[03:09] <Chousuke> :D
[03:09] <nikkia> libben, everyone seems to make a big deal out of it, it gets irritating
[03:09] <Kamping_Kaiser> i think othomas is in on that info already ;)
[03:10] <nalioth_zZz> we are all the same on irc
[03:10] <othomas> hey, don't blame me..i just got off the truck
[03:10] <Kamping_Kaiser> nikkia: female geeks are ~5% of the total geek population... so its strange to find one
[03:10] <libben> why im asking was because someone refered to u has her yesterday. just wanted to know if it was a female or not behind the nick
[03:10] <nikkia> libben, btw, you can use 'hash' to run a cheat around bash, and temporarily override the program to run for a command, without modifying your path
[03:10] <Chousuke> nikkia: But it's the classic joke. :)
[03:10] <libben> nikkia: why would i wanna cheat bash
[03:11] <libben> any examples of a situation?
[03:11] <nikkia> ie, say you have java in /usr/bin/java, but want java to run /opt/java/bin/java for a while, you can do: 'hash -p /opt/java/bin/java java'  and it tells bash to use that as the 'java' command in its hash table for a while
[03:11] <nikkia> libben, an example would be wanting to run REAL jar rather than GNU jar for a few minutes, without taking the rest of the java executables into the path
[03:11] <libben> instaed of exporting its as a path?
[03:11] <othomas> now there is knowledge spewing forth
[03:12] <nikkia> libben, jar usually exists in the same place as java, if you don't want to use sun's java, but want to use their jar, you can hash it to just use jar from that location
[03:12] <libben> ok.
[03:12] <nikkia> libben, you could do it with an alias, but hash'ing is a bit more of a trick, aliases can be circumvented easier
[03:13] <nikkia> if, in that situation, you added the java bin dir to the path, you'd be forced to use ALL of those programs too
[03:13] <libben> =)
[03:13] <libben> as i have it now
[03:13] <dale> hi what kind of linux you are using
[03:13] <nikkia> ie, if you added /opt/java/bin to the path, everything in that dir would override the system executables, but you might not want that, just one app out of the many
[03:13] <dale> hi what kind of linux you are using
[03:14] <libben> distro u mean dale 
[03:14] <dale> linux software
[03:14] <dale> kubuntu?
[03:14] <nikkia> libben, hash-tricking isn't something you do every day, but its a useful little trick to know about :)
[03:14] <libben> well, we sit in a channel named kubuntu
[03:14] <dale> ok
[03:14] <dale> is it ok
[03:14] <libben> yeah, and i know who to ask for when i need that trick.
[03:14] <dale> is it ok?
[03:14] <libben> yes
[03:14] <libben> the bomb
[03:14] <jpatrick> yeah
[03:15] <dale> what bomb?
[03:15] <libben> Teh BEST EVER! ONEZERO ONE ONE ONE ZERO EVER
[03:15] <libben> this dist
[03:15] <libben> is the BOMB
[03:15] <nalioth_zZz> dale: an american slang. kubuntu is the best
[03:15] <Kamping_Kaiser> othomas: you got rid of a pdp-11 :S
[03:15] <Kamping_Kaiser> ?
[03:15] <dale> ok
[03:15] <othomas> hahaha
[03:15] <Kamping_Kaiser> :(
[03:15] <nalioth_zZz> libben: an american slang usually pronounced "da bomb"
[03:15] <dale> from what country r u?
[03:16] <libben> nikkia: so how old are you and how long have u been using unix/linux os ?
[03:16] <othomas> so much steel..but it ran db's like a champ..64k of memory..
[03:16] <libben> nalioth_zZz: well, americans can use that =)
[03:16] <nalioth_zZz> libben: be civil. it's impolite to ask a lady her age
[03:16] <nikkia> libben: i'm 34, and since 1992 for linux, since 1988/89 (depends on what you count as unix) for unix
[03:17] <klerm> hi
[03:17] <dale> hi
[03:17] <othomas> hi klerm
[03:17] <nikkia> in 1988 i was using a solbourne 2*68020 SMP box running a custom version of unix, in 1989 i used ultrix-32 :)
[03:17] <klerm> hello
[03:17] <libben> ill take it ur highly educated.
[03:18] <nikkia> libben, depends on what you mean by 'highly educated' i suppose
[03:18] <nalioth_zZz> nikkia never fails to flabbergast me
[03:18] <dale> can u teach me how to use a kubuntu os?
[03:18] <nikkia> i don't have a PhD if thats what you mean :)
[03:18] <nalioth_zZz> libben: nikkia is off the scale
[03:18] <libben> well, i know that ppls that sit on those systems at that time. was educated ppls
[03:18] <libben> not like todays teenagers.
[03:18] <dale> ok
[03:19] <Kamping_Kaiser> libben:  :(
[03:19] <dale> ()
[03:19] <gwapa> hello everyone
[03:19] <dale> hi
[03:19] <jpatrick> libben: what?
[03:19] <klerm> hello gwapa
[03:19] <libben> im 25 and bought my first pc when i was 13 years old. been using win 1.0 and 1.1 all the way up to todays.
[03:19] <klerm> kmusta ka?
[03:19] <dale> ok
[03:19] <gwapa> buti naman
[03:19] <gwapa> hi libben
[03:19] <nikkia> libben: actually, the really bizarre stuff i was using at the time, was a solbourne 3*68040 SMP machine, running OS/9 :)
[03:19] <dale> me using windows xp
[03:20] <dale> hehehe
[03:20] <klerm> atik dale
[03:20] <libben> nikkia:  lol =)
[03:20] <klerm> ako lenux lng 
[03:20] <klerm> maot lagi
[03:20] <dale> lol
[03:20] <gwapa> hahahaha
[03:20] <libben> well, bizzare is the word
[03:20] <nikkia> libben, i also had access to a couple of sequent boxes, running an early version of dynix
[03:20] <gwapa> hii nikkia
[03:20] <libben> so what have u doctored in ? 
[03:20] <dale> from what country r u ? people?
[03:20] <Kamping_Kaiser> *sigh* why did i have to be born so im doing computers after all that stuff :(
[03:20] <othomas> dale, us here
[03:20] <klerm> Babuyan island here
[03:20] <Chousuke> Finland. 
[03:21] <Kamping_Kaiser> dale: Aust
[03:21] <nikkia> libben: i haven't, as i said, i don't have a PhD, have an open-ended offer from a lecturer at uni, if i ever want to go back and do one :)
[03:21] <gwapa> kamping where u frm?
[03:21] <libben> dont really know what the word is for the kind of education im guessing uve been thru. but english aint my main mother.
[03:21] <dale> philippines me
[03:21] <ml--> are all outgoing ports open by default in breezy preview? i cant get bittorrent to work? do i need to open any ports?
[03:21] <klerm> hahahaa
[03:21] <othomas> you should nikkia
[03:21] <libben> aah. drop out in other words
[03:21] <gerarcone> hello to all, can someone tell me how to set trasparencies with KDE?
[03:21] <nikkia> libben, i just went as far as undegrad, BSc Computer Science
[03:21] <gwapa> good for you then
[03:21] <nalioth_zZz> ml--: all ports are open by default
[03:21] <nikkia> libben, no, not really, going beyond undergrad isn't 'common' really in this country
[03:22] <Kamping_Kaiser> gwapa: Australia
[03:22] <jpatrick> gerarcone: you have to edit your /ect/X11/xorg.conf file
[03:22] <libben> k
[03:22] <othomas> nikkia, your to on top to quit now..please go on
[03:22] <dale> ok
[03:22] <gerarcone> jpatrick: can you help me? it's difficult?
[03:22] <ml--> nalioth_zZz: are there any configuration needed to get bittorrent to work? (i have a default installation)
[03:22] <dale> yah please go on>>>>
[03:22] <jpatrick> gerarcone: it isn't difficult
[03:22] <apokryphos> gerarcone: fake transparencies can be done from the kcontrol settings there
[03:22] <gwapa> cool kamping
[03:22] <gwapa> where in australia?
[03:23] <apokryphos> gerarcone: for real transparency you'll need a little hacking of xorg.conf, and essentially, an NVidia card
[03:23] <nalioth_zZz> ml--: are you behind a router?
[03:23] <Kamping_Kaiser> gwapa: Adelaide, South Australia
[03:23] <Kamping_Kaiser> well, near there
[03:23] <ml--> nalioth_zZz: yes
[03:23] <gwapa> really?
[03:23] <gerarcone> apokryphos: mmm... i have an ati, then?
[03:23] <Kamping_Kaiser> yes
[03:23] <gwapa> cool kamping
[03:23] <nalioth_zZz> ml--: go to portforward.com and be curious
[03:23] <dale> we use rourter] 
[03:23] <dale> we use rourter
[03:23] <apokryphos> gerarcone: pretty much not possible, then.
[03:23] <libben> so what is your profession then nikkia ?
[03:23] <apokryphos> gerarcone: your system would be unusably slow
[03:23] <gwapa> so kamping what you been up to?
[03:23] <nikkia> libben, software engineer
[03:24] <gerarcone> apokryphos: sure?
[03:24] <gwapa> by the way asl pls kamping
[03:24] <dale> not s slow
[03:24] <libben> for who?
[03:24] <dale> its ok 
[03:24] <dale> for me
[03:24] <apokryphos> gerarcone: indeed. ATI do indeed suck.
[03:24] <ml--> nalioth_zZz: no my wlan, but thanks anyway ;-)
[03:24] <nikkia> libben, a smallish company that makes gambling terminals
[03:24] <othomas> K_K you know drookie? hmm think i already asked that
[03:24] <libben> gambling terminals like ? slot machines that runs poker or mean gambling system terminals?
[03:24] <nalioth_zZz> ml--: bittorrent depends on having a clear shot at the network, so if the router is not allowing incoming packets.. .. ..
[03:25] <Kamping_Kaiser> gwapa: wherea reyou from?
[03:25] <Kamping_Kaiser> othomas: no, i dont 
[03:25] <gwapa> im from philippines 
[03:25] <ml--> nalioth_zZz: ok i see. 
[03:25] <nikkia> libben: yes, like slot machines (we call them fruit machines here), poker, roulette, etc
[03:25] <othomas>  :)
[03:25] <gwapa> kamping ur asl pls
[03:25] <libben> tells us the truth then
[03:25] <libben> what is the percentage of winning =)
[03:25] <dale> bye for now fellowwssssss
[03:25] <jpatrick> gwapa: why?
[03:25] <Kamping_Kaiser> gwapa: why? you wont tell me where you are from.
[03:25] <gerarcone> apokryphos: what can i do to have fake trasparencies?
[03:25] <dale> miss u alllllll mwah
[03:25] <gwapa> i said frm philippines
[03:25] <nikkia> libben, depends entirely on what the machine is set to, and what ruleset the machine is working to
[03:25] <Kamping_Kaiser> gwapa: you could also drop your clone ;)
[03:26] <nikkia> libben, most machines in this country, in public places, are set to 76-80%
[03:26] <gwapa> uhuh
[03:26] <libben> allways go for the highest bet and maximized win. cause when u win u must win =)
[03:26] <nikkia> libben, but that isn't a 'peercntage' of winning
[03:26] <gwapa> how old r u kamping?
[03:26] <Kamping_Kaiser> gwapa: for your info, im under 20
[03:26] <jpatrick> apokryphos: where's the fake stuff?
[03:26] <apokryphos> gerarcone: you can have fake transparency on kicker, the menus etc. For most of the time it does the job pretty well actually.
[03:26] <nikkia> that's the amount that it must payout, ie, if you put 1 in, in theory, it should pay back 80p
[03:26] <jpatrick> apokryphos: oh that...
[03:26] <apokryphos> jpatrick: trans menus/kicker etc
[03:26] <apokryphos> yup
[03:27] <gwapa> ic
[03:27] <gwapa> ok kamping
[03:27] <libben> nikkia: well, thats a fact we all know =) for every coin that goes in, it gets chewed a bit everytime =)
[03:27] <jpatrick> yeah that's the only trans I have :(
[03:27] <gerarcone> apokryphos: just for curiosity, how should i do with the xorg.conf?
[03:27] <libben> although havent lost yet on slot machines or real tables
[03:27] <libben> im glad.
[03:27] <nikkia> libben, its almost impossible to tell you your chance of *winning* at any given point
[03:27] <apokryphos> ubotu: tell gerarcone about composite
[03:28] <gwapa> ok 
[03:28] <gwapa> bye everyone
[03:28] <apokryphos> gerarcone: a good tutorial there.
[03:28] <othomas> cya
[03:28] <libben> nikkia: true. u gotta play with faith
[03:28] <libben> and luck
[03:28] <bazan> Hello
[03:28] <othomas> hi bazan
[03:28] <libben> and if u dont win on the first small amount money, dont bet more in that machine.
[03:28] <bazan> I don't find adept in my repository why? 
[03:28] <gerarcone> apokryphos: im running breezy, it change something?
[03:28] <apokryphos> bazan: I don't think it's in hoary
[03:28] <apokryphos> !info adept
[03:29] <jpatrick> bazan: you have to add it's repos
[03:29] <apokryphos> Apparently not; bazan: you'll have to add the new one.
[03:29] <apokryphos> ubotu: tell bazan about adept
[03:29] <nikkia> libben, actually, that can be counter productive thinking like that
[03:29] <jpatrick> No wait..
[03:29] <nikkia> libben, the longer it goes without a win, the more likely the next win will be big
[03:29] <bazan> ok, so I have to add the breezy repository?
[03:29] <libben> also true
[03:29] <libben> it all depends on luck in the end
[03:29] <othomas> ubotu will actually join you for private chat..hehe
[03:29] <ubotu> No idea, othomas
[03:29] <libben> i prefer the real deal http://libben.fnutt.org/?m=2&dir=images/k750i&imgname=DSC00938.JPG&single=1
[03:29] <apokryphos> bazan: nope, there's a hoary repository with it. Check the link ubotu gave you
[03:31] <bazan> apokryphos: I'm checking
[03:31] <libben> nikkia: u work in same conditions as in the film office space ?
[03:31] <libben> =)
[03:31] <nikkia> libben, nope, not really
[03:32] <nikkia> there's only 8 of us in our dept for a start, so things are a lot less faceless than in office space
[03:32] <apokryphos> bazan: got it?
[03:33] <ztonzy> apokryphos, where's the page/url for fixing kaffeine?
[03:34] <ztonzy> !kaffeine
[03:34] <ubotu> Wish i knew, ztonzy
[03:34] <ztonzy> !bugs
[03:34] <bazan> !kaffeine
[03:34] <ztonzy> oh
[03:34] <apokryphos> !probkaffeine
[03:34] <ubotu> apokryphos: Are you smoking crack?
[03:34] <ztonzy> !kaffiene
[03:34] <ubotu> No idea, ztonzy
[03:34] <apokryphos> !kaffeineprob
[03:34] <ubotu> rumour has it, kaffeineprob is at http://kudos.berlios.de/kf/kf1.html#probkaffeine
[03:34] <apokryphos> There
[03:34] <libben> nikkia: must be nice to work with a tight group like that.
[03:34] <ztonzy> ehhe
[03:35] <ztonzy> thanks
[03:35] <ztonzy> apokryphos, it is for a swedish kubuntu user
[03:35] <apokryphos> ok
[03:35] <nikkia> libben, it has its pros and cons
[03:36] <libben> yeah. like a marriage
[03:36] <libben> =)
[03:36] <libben> the good part is u dont have sex or forced to lay spoon
[03:37] <ztonzy> is there any way except logging out from a session to autostart apps/services in KDE ?
[03:38] <apokryphos> ztonzy: autostart them?
[03:38] <bazan> why the "kubuntu-desktop" package will be REMOVED when installing adept in hoary?
[03:38] <ztonzy> apokryphos, yes, telling some apps to always load at startup
[03:38] <libben> bazan: its ok, its just a meta package.
[03:38] <jpatrick> bazan: that doesn't matter
[03:39] <bazan> libben: ok, I did'nt know
[03:39] <bazan> thx
[03:39] <apokryphos> bazan: make sure you reinstall kubuntu-desktop before you dist-upgrade to breezy though
[03:39] <libben> now, anyone know on how to get aa for linux ?
[03:39] <libben> cant find it on their hp?
[03:39] <althea> .
[03:40] <bazan> apokryphos: thx for the advice
[03:42] <libben> none plays americas army in here ?
[03:48] <gerarcone> how can i know my version of KDE?
[03:49] <apokryphos> gerarcone: kde-config --version
[03:50] <gerarcone> apokryphos: tx
[03:52] <apokryphos> the new kdm login looks like Mandrake!
[03:53] <apokryphos> hola thoreauput1c =)
[03:53] <thoreauput1c> hello :)
[03:53] <apokryphos> thoreauput1c: how's it going?
[03:54] <libben> none plays americas army in here ? i wanna know where i can download it ? cant find it on their hp
[03:55] <thoreauput1c> apokryphos: not bad :) ompaul has given me a shell on a server in the UK - but the lag is a bit much on dialup ;-)
[03:55] <apokryphos> thoreauput1c: cool! I wouldn't buy any server/go-with-host without shell access -- far too useful since I've come to Linux.
[03:56] <Kamping_Kaiser> thoreauput1c: hallo :)
[03:56] <thoreauput1c> hi Kamping_Kaiser :)
[03:56] <Kamping_Kaiser> :)
[04:10] <thoreauputic> weee! I'm in two places at once :D
[04:11] <jpatrick> okay
[04:11] <apokryphos> thoreauput1c: impossible; law of noncontradiction says: no.
[04:11] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[04:11] <thoreauputic> apokryphos: haha
[04:11] <apokryphos> ok, it doesn't really, but still.
[04:12] <thoreauput1c> hmm - would be nice if typing stuff from half way around the world was a *bit* less slow
[04:13] <Kamping_Kaiser> gets that way :/
[04:15] <apokryphos> thoreauput1c: shell is slightly slower than locally, of course. /me decides to try
[04:17] <apokryphos> gah, no irssi on servers. May install locally later
[04:18] <thoreauputic> apokryphos: the shell is a debian box - so ompaul did an apt-get install irssi-text for me and I scp ed my settings over to the server
[04:19] <apokryphos> thoreauput1c: only ever had RedHat; debian/ubuntu would be interesting. That's nice of him. :)
[04:20] <thoreauputic> apokryphos: yes - it was quite funny actually - we were co-ordinating over skype :)
[04:20] <apokryphos> cool
[04:21] <thoreauputic> mmmm - Carbonated chestnuts!
[04:22] <thoreauputic> my fave
[04:23] <thoreauputic> apokryphos: speaking of skype - do you have it running at the moment?
[04:23] <apokryphos> thoreauput1c: nope
[04:23] <apokryphos> Haven't tried to see if it still works on latest breezy versions, I should.
[04:24] <thoreauputic> ah - OK :)
[04:24] <thoreauputic> well I just fired mine up if you want to test
[04:46] <blackflag> Hello all :-)
[04:46] <blackflag> I have a problem with openoffice
[04:47] <blackflag> I need the microsoft truetype fonts to edit documents that are created with M$- office
[04:47] <blackflag> but cant find a package for debian or ubuntu
[04:48] <blackflag> I downloaded a rpm and convert it with alien
[04:48] <blackflag> I installed it
[04:48] <blackflag>  but I have no success
[04:48] <blackflag> I dont have the fonts in openoffice
[04:48] <blackflag> can someone help?
[04:49] <Futal> the name of the package is something like msttf...
[04:49] <Futal> I'm searaching
[04:49] <Kamping_Kaiser> msttcorefonts - Installer for Microsoft TrueType core fonts
[04:49] <Kamping_Kaiser> found ;)
[04:50] <Futal> Kamping_Kaiser: 2 sec before me :)
[04:50] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[04:50] <Kamping_Kaiser> its multiverse btw
[04:50] <Kamping_Kaiser> *made use of the 2 sec to get extra info*
[04:51] <Futal> multiverse of course, MS -> not free (as in free speech) but still good free (as in free beer) fonts
[04:52] <libben> !tell libben about windows
[04:52] <libben> !tell libben about mounting partitions
[04:52] <libben> !tell libben about mount
[04:52] <blackflag> I ccant install msttcorefonts
[04:52] <eckhart> hi, how can i reinstall a config file that i accidentally deleted?
[04:53] <blackflag> It refernced by another paket
[04:53] <blackflag> Wich paket is it?
[04:53] <libben> !tell libben about windowsdrives
[04:53] <Futal> U have to edit /etc/apt/source.list and add multiverse source
[04:53] <Futal> sudo nano  /etc/apt/source.list
[04:53] <eckhart> i deleted /etc/cups/cupsd.conf, i tried to reinstall it with apt-get install cupsys --reinstall, but without luck
[04:54] <Futal> blackflag: then in the second part you have to enable universe and multiverse
[04:54] <libben> !tell libben about mounting
[04:54] <libben> !tell libben about java
[04:55] <libben> !tell libben about repos
[04:55] <jpatrick> lol
[04:55] <Futal> blackflag: then "sudo apt-get update" and you be able to install it
[04:55] <blackflag> should all be on
[04:55] <jpatrick> I thought that said !tell libben about nothing
[04:56] <libben> =)
[04:56] <blackflag> I'll have alook moment...
[04:57] <blackflag> I have universe but not multiverse!
[04:57] <jpatrick> :P
[04:57] <blackflag> What is the correct url ?
[04:58] <Kamping_Kaiser> blackflag: for what? multiverse?
[04:58] <blackflag> multiverse
[04:58] <Futal> deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu breezy universe multiverse
[04:58] <Kamping_Kaiser> or hoary. if thats what hes using
[04:59] <jpatrick> that's for breezy
[04:59] <Futal> yep, you can also change "us" by your country
[04:59] <libben> gonna install quake3 on this..
[05:00] <libben> is /usr/local/games/quake3 a ok place to install it to?
[05:00] <Kamping_Kaiser> should be
[05:01] <libben> lol
[05:01] <libben> i may need to use sudo on installing process =)
[05:02] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol. you might just :)
[05:08] <libben> anyone has quake3 installed ?
[05:09] <libben> can remember what to type for getting the mods started in cmdline
[05:09] <libben> fs_game something
[05:11] <blackflag> okay, I was able to install msttcorefonts
[05:12] <blackflag> but in openoffice I have the same problem
[05:12] <libben> think u need to restart kde
[05:12] <blackflag> there are not the characters I need 
[05:12] <libben> ctrl alt backspace for that...
[05:12] <libben> u need  ?
[05:12] <libben> swedish?
[05:12] <blackflag> 
[05:12] <blackflag> no german
[05:12] <libben> k
[05:13] <blackflag> should I do a rebbot?
[05:13] <blackflag> reboot
[05:13] <jpatrick> no
[05:13] <libben> i think u need to restart kde, but im not sure
[05:13] <Kamping_Kaiser> should be able to just restart X
[05:13] <blackflag> Okay I'll try it later
[05:13] <jpatrick> log out and press Crlt-Alt-Backspace
[05:14] <blackflag> okay
[05:21] <blackflag> okay, all is working now
[05:21] <blackflag> thanks for help ! :-)
[05:22] <blackflag> going voting now
[05:22] <blackflag> In germany is today a great voting
[05:22] <blackflag> till later .....
[05:22] <Kamping_Kaiser> realy?
[05:22] <Kamping_Kaiser> o_0
[05:28] <mcscruff> lo
[05:29] <mcscruff> i need help
[05:29] <mcscruff> how do i install install-crossover-standard-demo-4.2.sh
[05:31] <Kamping_Kaiser> open konsole -> sudo chmod 750 ./install-<tab> -> sudo ./install<tab>
[05:31] <libben> where should i place my mods ?
[05:31] <libben> in /usr/local/games/quake3/? or in ~/.q3a/ ?
[05:31] <Kamping_Kaiser> libben: in the quake 3 dir is the usual place isnt it?
[05:31] <libben> yeah, but i made a change in the q3config.cfg and it wont read that cfg
[05:32] <libben> and ive made change in the other place also
[05:32] <libben> and it wont read from that cfg either
[05:32] <libben> so i wonder what im doing wrong
[05:33] <Kamping_Kaiser> libben: sure you have read perms on the directory? 
[05:33] <Kamping_Kaiser> does quake need write to be able to launch?
[05:34] <libben> i can launch quake3 and with mods... but when i change the config file for being able to hit console ~ button wich is another char in terminal and quake3... it wont take it
[05:34] <libben> ooh. ive also copied the mods and baseq3 from my ntfs partition from windows, that i just mounted
[05:34] <libben> what should i do with the folders so they work
[05:35] <Kamping_Kaiser> permisions?
[05:35] <libben> well, it was the quake3 installer that putted it in that spot
[05:35] <libben> usr/local/games
[05:36] <Kamping_Kaiser> well ill trust it then
[05:36] <libben> yeah,,, but i havent tried to change anything on original quake3 =) only in the mods dir
[05:36] <Kamping_Kaiser> check the folder permissions both rwx and ownership
[05:36] <libben> and those i copied from ntfs
[05:36] <libben> im a noob
[05:36] <libben> tell me what to do
[05:38] <Kamping_Kaiser> im not sure what perms files in /usr/local should have, but try "sudo chmod -R 750 /usr/local/games/quake3 && sudo chown -R youruser.yourgroup /usr/local/games/quake3/"
[05:38] <libben> -r-xr-xr-x  1 root root      9639 2005-09-18 17:24 q3config.cfg
[05:39] <libben> thats from my usr/local/games/quake3/q3ut3
[05:39] <Kamping_Kaiser> that looks fine. and btw. there should be a / in front of usr
[05:40] <libben> yeah
[05:40] <Kamping_Kaiser> as in /usr/local ;)
[05:40] <libben> i typed it by hand
[05:40] <Kamping_Kaiser> its very different when your going rm -rfvi :S
[05:41] <ml--> what do i need to do to get bittorrent working on a default installation of breezy? 
[05:41] <Kamping_Kaiser> what form of working?
[05:42] <ml--> Kamping_Kaiser: ive installed bittornado, ktorrent and azureus. and noone works. ive disabled the router now so i connect straight into my modem. 
[05:43] <libben> ml-- u need some things for azureus to work
[05:43] <libben> u need latest java
[05:43] <troy> hrm, maybe I'm strange, but I always use a program called bittorrent for my torrents, and it works behind my router ;)
[05:43] <troy> it requires python ;)
[05:44] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol. queer ;)
[05:44] <ml--> all the clients start, but when i add the torrent it never downloads it.
[05:44] <troy> how reliable are the torrents you're starting?
[05:45] <troy> if there aren't any seeders, nothing will download
[05:47] <libben> http://www.hamachi.cc/
[05:48] <Kamping_Kaiser> night all
[05:48] <Kamping_Kaiser> sleep becons :O
[05:48] <Kamping_Kaiser> when i do this bug report :/
[05:57] <Kamping_Kaiser> night this time :)
[06:14] <Lichte> is there a freakin tag editor for KDE that will do mp3 and ogg ??
[06:15] <drasch> Lichte: JuK
[06:16] <Lichte> drasch: will it strip embedded images from mp3 ?
[06:16] <thoreauputic> Lichte: amarok does tags as well
[06:16] <drasch> Lichte: no idea
[06:16] <Lichte> thoreauputic: amarok won't strip the images
[06:17] <Lichte> I need a tag editor that will allow me to work with the embedded images
[06:18] <Lichte> easytag keeps crashing
[06:20] <Lichte> nope, juk doesn't see the embedded pictures either
[06:20] <Lichte> crap
[06:25] <libben> i need heeelp ?=)
[06:26] <libben> someone that is good with q3 and permissions
[06:28] <nickv111> Hey
[06:28] <nickv111> I'm on the kubuntu livecd, running on my iBook, and I must say it's quite nice
[06:28] <nickv111> Everything works really well
[06:28] <nickv111> I'm seriously considering replacing debian with kubuntu
[06:28] <libben> why not. 
[06:29] <libben> =)
[06:29] <libben> its such a good deal
[06:29] <nickv111> I know
[06:29] <nickv111> The only problem is that my backup drive is fubar
[06:29] <nickv111> So I don't have a great way to back stuff up right now
[06:29] <libben> 2bad.
[06:29] <nickv111> Indeed.
[06:29] <libben> burn burn burn then =) if u have a cdwriter
[06:29] <nickv111> Yeah
[06:29] <apokryphos> Mez: hey; out of interest, what else was taken out of extras?
[06:30] <Mez> acroread, java, and realplayer
[06:30] <nickv111> I'll probably just use squashfs to compress all my stuff and burn it all to a DVD
[06:30] <nickv111> Or get my backup drive working.
[06:30] <apokryphos> Mez: w32codecs?
[06:31] <nickv111> The only thing I wonder about is a network manager
[06:31] <nickv111> Is there a program that would go in the KDE Panel which would manage networks?
[06:31] <apokryphos> nickv111: not manage, but monitor.
[06:31] <nickv111> apokryphos: What would do that?
[06:31] <apokryphos> knemo
[06:32] <pedri2> breezy rocks
[06:32] <apokryphos> =)
[06:32] <libben> anyone wanna go thru with me what has happend with my q3.. its a permission thing im allmost sure of. but im quite new to this.. so anyone wanna help me with right perm on my quake3 stuff ?
[06:32] <apokryphos> Mez: because, quickly looking through the repo, I don't see it.
[06:34] <slow-motion> re
[06:41] <nickv111> Well, I'm gonna reboot.
[06:41] <nickv111> See ya
[07:05] <ProdegyX> Hello
[07:05] <ProdegyX> I need help using Kopette Messenger.
[07:05] <ProdegyX> I added a MSN Account
[07:05] <ProdegyX> and everytime I use it it says Password wrong
[07:07] <Prodegy> Hello
[07:07] <Prodegy> Will someone Answer me Please
[07:08] <apokryphos> Prodegy: sorry, must've missed you
[07:08] <apokryphos> Prodegy: if you install the latest version of Kopete from that repository you will be a.o.k.
[07:08] <Prodegy> Thats what I tried to do, but I cannot find it
[07:09] <Prodegy> Can you tell me how to get to Repositories through Kynapatic
[07:10] <apokryphos> !kde342
[07:10] <ubotu> [kde342]  at http://kubuntu.org/hoary-kde-342.php
[07:10] <apokryphos> Add     deb http://kubuntu.org/hoary-kde342 hoary-updates main         ..to your /etc/apt/sources.list
[07:11] <Prodegy> OK it is updating right now
[07:11] <Prodegy> Thank you
[07:11] <Prodegy> I was using Regular Ubuntu almost since it came out
[07:11] <Prodegy> I didnt think kubuntu would be much different
[07:11] <Prodegy> but switching from gnome to KDE is a big change
[07:11] <apokryphos> indeed :)
[07:12] <apokryphos> Different DEs can be like a whole new world
[07:12] <Prodegy> Yea
[07:12] <Prodegy> But Im glad I can come in here
[07:12] <Prodegy> and get help from the best
[07:12] <Prodegy> Ok well I updated now should I just run Kopete agian?
[07:13] <apokryphos> Prodegy: kopete updated, definitely?
[07:13] <Prodegy> Yes
[07:13] <apokryphos> Prodegy: kopete --version  gives?
[07:14] <Prodegy> 4.3.4.0 or something close
[07:14] <Prodegy> but since I updated
[07:14] <Prodegy> I can run my Messenger now
[07:15] <apokryphos> Kopete version should be 10.0.3
[07:15] <Prodegy> Oh Ok
[07:15] <Prodegy> well I gotta run to Walmart
[07:15] <apokryphos> but actually, I thought that fix was backported into normal repo.. anyway
[07:15] <Prodegy> BBL
[07:15] <apokryphos> yeah, try it.
[07:15] <Prodegy> and thank you for your help
[07:15] <apokryphos> oh it works, excellent.
[07:16] <Prodegy> BleedingSkarz@Brokenveins.net is my MSN and BleedingSkarz is my aim if you wanan add me
[07:28] <LokeDK> I've just installed kubuntu-desktop.. was wondering.. where's my "My Computer" icon and trash?
[07:29] <jpatrick> LokeDK: Right click the panel -> Add to panel -> Special button -> System/Trash
[07:29] <lonewolff> LokeDK: trash should be next to your clock in the bottom right, and the other stuff can be accessed using the menu next to the K menu
[07:31] <LokeDK> oh thanks
[07:31] <apokryphos> LokeDK: and, erm, there's no My Computer.. this isn't windoze :P
[07:32] <jpatrick> It's System
[07:32] <LokeDK> Just used to gnome :P 
[07:32] <LokeDK> system then
[07:32] <LokeDK> Perhaps a window with all the drives
[07:32] <apokryphos> Yup, you want System then
[07:32] <thoreauputic> gnome doesn't have a "My Computer" either, actually
[07:33] <LokeDK> no it's just "Computer"
[07:33] <apokryphos> LokeDK: you can always access it from Konqueror -> System:/
[07:33] <LokeDK> oh okay
[07:33] <apokryphos> and gnome people critisize kde for being like Windows? Heh. :D
[07:33] <slow-motion> kde has a controlcenter
[07:33] <LokeDK> Can I get the trash from the panel on the desktop?
[07:33] <LokeDK> heh :P
[07:33] <apokryphos> LokeDK: indeed
[07:33] <jpatrick> slow-motion: System Settings all the way!
[07:33] <apokryphos> LokeDK: check the FAQ
[07:33] <thoreauputic> :D
[07:34] <apokryphos> thoreauputic: I personally don't think either of them are like Windows at all
[07:34] <thoreauputic> apokryphos: I agree :)
[07:34] <apokryphos> thoreauputic: many seem to approach Linux with the mindframe that it's going to be TOTALLY different
[07:34] <apokryphos> and that Linux throws out things like actual "windows" and the web etc
[07:35] <thoreauputic> apokryphos: I think we should make fluxbox compulsory ... /me ducks
[07:35] <jpatrick> :o
[07:36] <thoreauputic> .... or better still, for maximum shock value, twm *evil grin*
[07:36] <apokryphos> force you into submission!
[07:37] <thoreauputic> ;)
[07:37] <jpatrick> what tail...
[07:37] <thoreauputic> jpatrick: you haven't met me - it has a fork at the end ;)
[07:38] <jpatrick> Oh I see :)
[07:38] <thoreauputic> oh and of course the cloven hooves are a giveaway...
[07:39] <apokryphos> hehe
[07:40] <LokeDK> Could you give me a link to get trashcan on the desktop? found some unofficial kubuntu faq.. says to edit trash.desktop.. but it doesn't exist
[07:41] <thoreauputic> heh - I find it amusing when people want a trash can on the desktop: I spent hours in other distros trying to get rid of the damn thing :D
[07:41] <jpatrick> I don't know why one would want the trash icon on the desktop :/
[07:42] <LokeDK> bad habit :)
[07:42] <jpatrick> http://kudos.berlios.de/
[07:43] <thoreauputic> LokeDK: on the contrary, makes me think carefully before deleting stuff ;)
[07:43] <LokeDK> Heh yeah :)
[07:44] <LokeDK> ah well skrew the trashcan.. rm -rf all the way
[07:46] <apokryphos> LokeDK: yes, use that FAQ; it has a correct method.
[07:46] <LokeDK> Okay thanks
[07:47] <apokryphos> LokeDK: if it doesn't exist, create it.
[07:47] <apokryphos> LokeDK: you definitely should have it though; ls ~/Desktop 
[07:48] <musashiden> hey, can i get a little help here? i have a question
[07:48] <musashiden> when you check out something from cvs
[07:48] <musashiden> how do you compile it?
[07:49] <musashiden> whats the syntax line?
[07:50] <LokeDK> apokryphos, it ain't there
[07:50] <apokryphos> alright, one sec
[07:50] <root__> anyone else have trouble getting the X server to start after attempting to upgrade to breezy?
[07:51] <nmorse> It keeps complaining about fonts
[07:51] <apokryphos> LokeDK: create trash.desktop and put this in it: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2305
[07:51] <apokryphos> nmorse: a few have; have you reconfigured your X?
[07:51] <musashiden> can i get a little help here?...
[07:51] <apokryphos> musashiden: as always, all you need to do is ask your question, if someone's willing/able to help, they will.
[07:52] <apokryphos> I recommend checking out a tutorial on CVS
[07:52] <musashiden> when you check out something from cvs, how do you compile it, whats the command line?
[07:52] <LokeDK> apokryphos, okay will try.. thanks a lot
[07:53] <apokryphos> musashiden: obviously a CVS repository can have *absolutely anything*.
[07:53] <LokeDK> it worked.. thanks again :)
[07:53] <apokryphos> cool
[07:54] <apokryphos> musashiden: what is it you're getting from CVS?
[07:54] <musashiden> libtool
[07:54] <nmorse> any reason xf86config isn't installed by default when you upgrade from hoary to breezy?
[07:54] <musashiden> and cedega
[07:54] <nmorse> Cedega's site has the specific instructions for getting it.
[07:54] <apokryphos> nmorse: what is it? Sounds like XFree.
[07:54] <nmorse> And you have to sign their license agreement anyway
[07:55] <nmorse> It's a tool to configure X.
[07:55] <musashiden> nmorse, they say how to get it, but not how to compie it
[07:55] <nmorse> What's the default tool for that job on Ubuntu?
[07:55] <nmorse> I was planning on just using the xorg.conf file I used on hoary.
[07:55] <apokryphos> nmorse: dpkg configure, of course. :)
[07:56] <apokryphos> nmorse: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[07:56] <apokryphos> musashiden: I'm wondering why you're trying to manually grab/install CVS source, when the wiki entry apparently links to an .sh file to do it all for you
[07:57] <musashiden> apo: it didnt worked
[07:58] <musashiden> thats why iam trying to do it manually
[07:58] <nmorse> weird.
[07:58] <nmorse> Why would it have font issues using the old xorg.conf file?
[07:58] <nmorse> But when I reconfigure with the same options it works just fine?
[07:58] <apokryphos> musashiden: "it didn't work" isn't too descriptive, unfortunately. But, #ubuntu is essentially the right place for that.
[07:59] <apokryphos> nmorse: slight differentces to the configuration of it, I presume.
[07:59] <musashiden> well, it did made all the folders it was supposed to make and everything
[07:59] <musashiden> but how do i start a game using it
[07:59] <apokryphos> musashiden: you're more likely to have luck with non-kde-related questions in #ubuntu (really)
[08:00] <musashiden> ok
[08:00] <musashiden> well back to libtool
[08:00] <apokryphos> musashiden: again, #ubuntu
[08:05] <nmorse> Great, now my usb mouse isn't working and I can't seem to disable the Synaptics touchpad.
[08:05] <nmorse> Oh well, that's the risk of beta software.
[08:07] <nmorse> I think I may fixed it now.
[08:07] <nmorse> It switched all my dev numbers for mice around.
[08:20] <silver_cpu> hi, everyone. i notice that kaffine is the standard dvd playback software for kubuntu, but i prefer to use vlc. when i right click on dvds on my desktop, "play in kaffine" is listed in the menu, but not vlc. how can i get vlc listed, and remove kaffine?
[08:22] <silver_cpu> hi, setite. are you familiar with kde, also?
[08:23] <Tm_T> hmh
[08:23] <Tm_T> I use Okle
[08:23] <silver_cpu> okle?
[08:24] <setite> yea i suppose so
[08:24] <setite> i prefer it... i do miss some of the gnome tools
[08:24] <setite> i will probably be installing kde over gnome from now on....
[08:24] <setite> anyoen wanna help me configure my wifi... im not 100% sure abotu this
[08:24] <setite> and the man pages arent helping
[08:25] <setite> and the wiki isnt helping as much as id like either...
[08:25] <setite> !wifi\
[08:25] <ubotu> setite: Are you smoking crack?
[08:25] <silver_cpu> i notice that kaffine is the standard dvd playback software for kubuntu, but i prefer to use vlc. when i right click on dvds on my desktop, "play in kaffine" is listed in the menu, but not vlc. how can i get vlc listed, and remove kaffine?
[08:25] <setite> !wifi
[08:25] <ubotu> methinks wifi is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WiFiHowto
[08:25] <LokeDK> After I installed kubuntu, the fonts in gnome are small.. can't change them
[08:28] <setite> i think there is a way to chagne them... i dunno how
[08:28] <setite> a gtk theme manager perhaps
[08:35] <libben> anyone wanna go thru with me what has happend with my q3.. its a permission thing im allmost sure of. but im quite new to this.. so anyone wanna help me with right perm on my quake3 stuff ?
[08:43] <libben> ello!
[08:43] <libben> =(
[08:43] <jpatrick> lo
[08:44] <libben> ^^
[08:44] <libben> i need help =)
[08:44] <jpatrick> I don't game a lot
[08:46] <libben> u know permissions+ 
[08:46] <libben> ?
[08:53] <_orochi> hi
[08:53] <`Nomad> hi
[08:54] <setite> hi
[08:54] <setite> anyoen know how to get eh gnome network application on kde...
[08:54] <setite> people tell me its called network-admin but i dont see that package
[08:55] <apokryphos> setite: alt+f2->network-admin
[08:55] <apokryphos> setite: you can probably use KNetworkConf though, I'd guess.
[08:57] <setite> well apokryphos im attempting to get my wifi working... and ive always had better luck teith teh gnome app
[08:58] <apokryphos> ok, go for it then
[08:58] <setite> well i need the app first... thats my question
[08:58] <setite> i dotn have it and i dont see it on the repo
[08:58] <setite> ill do anything... except use ndiswrapper.. to get my wifi working...
[08:59] <setite> i need to get linux-wlan-ng actually... and i cant figure out how to get it on amd64... and a build from source failed miserablly
[08:59] <setite> !pastebin
[08:59] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, pastebin is a site where you can post large texts and screenshots so you don't flood the channel. You can find it at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl
[08:59] <setite> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2303
[09:07] <Juerd> I have both suspend to memory and suspend to disk working
[09:07] <slow-motion> bye
[09:07] <Juerd> This is a personal victory, after 7 years of using linux
[09:07] <Juerd> and never having been able to get any of these working correctly.
[09:08] <Juerd> Long live thinkwiki.org for useful info about thinkpads
[09:08] <Juerd> And long live much improved kernels :)
[09:08] <Juerd> And my own investigation re cardctl 
[09:10] <eiko> hello
[09:11] <eiko> hi
[09:11] <eiko> :)
[09:12] <eiko> /ubuntu
[09:12] <Juerd> Hello
[09:12] <eiko> how long have you had kubuntu?
[09:12] <Juerd> Hm
[09:12] <Juerd> Let me think
[09:12] <Juerd> A week :)
[09:12] <setite> !wifi
[09:12] <ubotu> wifi is probably https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WiFiHowto
[09:13] <Juerd> eiko: I'm a long time Debian user though
[09:13] <eiko> hows debian?
[09:13] <Juerd> Good, but less stuff works out of the box.
[09:13] <eiko> i used mandrake linux for like a month but that was more then a half a year ago
[09:14] <eiko> but i ordered it again
[09:14] <Juerd> Since Breezy, I find Kubuntu nicer to work with than Debian proper
[09:14] <eiko> and im waiting for it to come in
[09:14] <Juerd> I don't like mandrake
[09:14] <eiko> whys that?
[09:14] <Juerd> I like debian and debian derivatives
[09:14] <Juerd> Mandrake isn't one
[09:14] <Juerd> I dislike RPM
[09:15] <Juerd> Mandrake has been very good for spreading KDE, though
[09:15] <setite> how can i force synaptic to list 32bit packages not safe for 64bit
[09:16] <eiko> oh anyone know what type of file to download and how to install stuff?
[09:16] <eiko> or a tutorial online
[09:17] <Juerd> eiko: Start synaptic and try to figure out yourself
[09:17] <Juerd> That's usually a better learning experience
[09:17] <eiko> ok :)
[09:17] <Juerd> And un-teaches you to hunt for packages yourself
[09:17] <Juerd> Debian is for lazy people.
[09:17] <eiko> ha ha ha whats synaptic is it in the kde menu?
[09:17] <setite> wow.. that was a stupid answer
[09:18] <Juerd> setite: Thanks!
[09:18] <Juerd> eiko: It was for me, but I upgraded from Ubuntu.
[09:18] <Juerd> eiko: Alternatively, try kynaptic
[09:18] <Juerd> (kynaptic doesn't provide a graphical interface for adding universe and multiverse yet)
[09:19] <apokryphos> Juerd: it probably won't ever, too =)
[09:19] <Juerd> apokryphos: Oh, why?
[09:19] <apokryphos> Juerd: Adept is to be default in Breezy.
[09:19] <Juerd> I see
[09:21] <nickv111> Hmm
[09:21] <eiko> oh neat this allows you to choose more stuff to install
[09:21] <nickv111> Is there a way to get KWifiManager to scan wireless networks properly on an Airport (not Extreme)?
[09:22] <nickv111> It doesn't return any networks when I tell it to scan
[09:22] <Juerd> I see adept isn't in kubuntu-desktop yet
[09:23] <nickv111> Hmm.
[09:24] <Juerd> Oh, adept is nice.
[09:24] <nickv111> I don't have much to back up on this machine
[09:24] <nickv111> in fact, I don't think I have anything I need on this
[09:24] <libben> ill convert to it when it takes down synaptic. or well, replaces synaptic
[09:24] <libben> just need something as good as syn
[09:24] <libben> anyone wanna go thru with me what has happend with my q3.. its a permission thing im allmost sure of. but im quite new to this.. so anyone wanna help me with right perm on my quake3 stuff ?
[09:25] <setite> !wifi
[09:25] <ubotu> rumour has it, wifi is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WiFiHowto
[09:28] <setite> who has wifi working
[09:28] <Juerd> I do.
[09:29] <setite> on ubuntu
[09:29] <nickv111> Oh, I know why scanning isn't working:
[09:29] <nickv111> nicklaptop:~# iwlist eth0 scan  
[09:29] <nickv111> eth0      Interface doesn't support scanning : Operation not supported
[09:29] <setite> nickv111: ndiswrapper?
[09:29] <nickv111> Nah, I'm on airport
[09:29] <setite> ndiswrapper doesnt allow scanning
[09:29] <nickv111> My laptop's WiFi card must suck
[09:29] <setite> i was asking how you installed it
[09:29] <setite> oh yea ndis is windows... sorry
[09:29] <setite> Juerd: did your device just work or did you set it up
[09:30] <setite> nickv111: how did you install it...
[09:30] <nickv111> setite: There's a kernel driver
[09:31] <nickv111> The driver is built into the kernel
[09:31] <setite> the card doesnt suck... im sure airports scan... its just that the driver included didnt add thatoption... apparently some people dont think scanning is a necessary feature so they dont bother to get it working
[09:31] <Juerd> setite: It did just work, and I use waproamd for automatic configuration
[09:31] <nickv111> setite: Right.
[09:31] <nickv111> setite: Well, maybe I'll just buy a hardware wifi scanner or something
[09:32] <eiko> can you use kynaptic to install something you downloaded off the internet?
[09:32] <setite> Juerd: can you show my your /etc/network/interfaces
[09:33] <setite> eiko: maybe? synaptic supposedly does it.. but i prefer the console... its easier
[09:33] <setite> eiko: is it a .deb
[09:33] <Juerd> setite: The relevant line in my /etc/network/interfaces is "iface wifi inet dhcp"
[09:33] <Juerd> My interface is called wifi with ifrename. It's probably called eth0 or eth1 on your system.
[09:34] <setite> wifi eh...
[09:34] <setite> oh ok
[09:34] <carlson> is there any email client shipped with kubuntu with the qt laf?
[09:34] <setite> where is that line exactly... because i have that added in
[09:34] <Juerd> setite: Last line.
[09:34] <Juerd> setite: What do you get if you execute, in a root terminal, "iwconfig"?
[09:34] <eiko> no i was trying .gz first :(
[09:34] <setite> nickv111: the cvs version of the drivers supports iwlist scan according to this thread
[09:34] <setite> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=33038&highlight=airport+scanning
[09:35] <setite> bla bla no wireless extensions
[09:35] <setite> ifconfig -a shows my wlan0 device
[09:35] <setite> but nothing else does...
[09:35] <Juerd> Does iwconfig show that wlan0 has no wireless extensions?
[09:35] <setite> yes
[09:35] <Juerd> Because then basically, linux doesn't know it's a wifi card.
[09:36] <setite> well why is that
[09:36] <Juerd> You can then only use it if you use an access point, no encryption and happen to be lucky.
[09:36] <Juerd> setite: I don't know.
[09:36] <eiko> setite: is synaptic in the kde menu?
[09:36] <setite> no eiko - get it on the repo
[09:36] <nikki2> there are two sets of wifi drivers
[09:36] <nikki2> one uses iwconfig, the other doesn't
[09:36] <setite> i dont need encryption juerd... i dont even need scanning.. i just need it to work in ad hoc for my psp
[09:37] <setite> yea from what i read my driver... for the prism 2 comes from linux-wlan-ng.. which doenst support iwconfig....
[09:37] <nikki2> unfortunately, i can't remember the name of the util to set wireless parameters in the other set of drivers
[09:37] <eiko> setite: is that in the kynaptic thing where you install programs that arnt installed yet?
[09:37] <nikki2> wlancfg perhaps
[09:37] <setite> but also im buggered as i cant install linux-wlan-ng as its a 32bit app and i cant compile it
[09:37] <eiko> setite: or does repo mean something else
[09:37] <Juerd> wlan-ng is a pain in the ass, in my opinion.
[09:38] <Juerd> I made myself forget it.
[09:38] <setite> yea i suppose eiko.. "sudo apt-get install synaptic" works
[09:38] <Juerd> setite: What happens if you run "dhclient wlan0"?
[09:38] <setite> repo is the list of available apps installed or not yet install
[09:38] <setite> it did some interesting stuff ill run it again and #flood it
[09:39] <Prodegy> Hey Im Back
[09:39] <Prodegy> BRB Im getting some food
[09:39] <nickv111> Where /are/ the airport drivers?
[09:40] <nickv111> I can't find them
[09:40] <setite> good question... its on a cvs somewhere
[09:40] <Juerd> setite: Try "ifconfig wlan0 up" and then "dhclienth wlan0" again
[09:40] <Juerd> setite: This because of the "network is down"
[09:41] <setite> no such device
[09:42] <setite> Juerd: i dont think ifconfig or all that works... 
[09:42] <setite> this is partly a 64bit ubuntu problem.. but im not gonna downgrade... i will remove ubuntu before i do that
[09:42] <Juerd> setite: Then I'm out of ideas - sorry.
[09:43] <setite> ok then
[09:43] <setite> freebsd 6.0 it is
[09:43] <setite> this is bs
[09:44] <setite> hmmm
[09:44] <setite> ok took all wifi lines out except for iface wlan0 inet dhcp in my interfaces
[09:44] <setite> restarting
[09:45] <rr700> Is there NTFS support on breezy?
[09:46] <Tm_T> you can read it
[09:46] <eiko> i installed gimp but its not in the kde menu. what folders are the programs in?
[09:46] <setite> ok wish me luck... the network interfaces part of the boot didnt hang this tiem... maybe thats a good sign
[09:47] <godzero> rr700: yes
[09:47] <setite> fuck.. dont think im so lucky
[09:47] <godzero> libntfs5
[09:47] <setite> hey Juerd  look in #flood again
[09:49] <setite> Juerd: you there?
[09:49] <Juerd> That hardware address of all zeroes doesn't look promising.
[09:49] <setite> oh nm... there is no HWaddr listed for that device... that cant be good
[09:49] <setite> yea this is shit
[09:49] <Juerd> Try to use ndiswrapper with the Windows driver for your card
[09:49] <setite> someone told me this device work ootb with ubuntu... 
[09:50] <setite> no
[09:50] <setite> thats the step i wont do....
[09:50] <Juerd> Then at least you can use the standard linux wireless extensions
[09:50] <Juerd> (iwconfig)
[09:50] <setite> i know that will work but the goal is not using ndiswrapper since it doesnt support scanning or most features
[09:51] <Juerd> Where did you get that from? I have a card here with which I can use almost all features, including scanning with iwlist
[09:51] <setite> when i used ndiswrapper with my broadcom it wouldnt scan.. said it wasnt supported.. and someone in ubuntu sadi that scanning isnt implemented for wifi using ndiswrapper
[09:52] <eiko> how do you change rooms again?
[09:52] <Juerd> eiko: /join
[09:52] <Juerd> eiko: They're called "channels" on IRC, by the way
[09:52] <eiko> cool thanks
[09:52] <rr700> godzero: is the libntsf already installed, or do I need to install it?
[09:52] <rr700> currently my ntsf partition doesn't load
[09:52] <Juerd> ntfs, not ntsf, I guess.
[09:53] <rr700> right
[09:53] <Juerd> NT FileSystem
[09:54] <rr700> I noticed the partitions load in the Media directory
[09:54] <rr700> not mnt
[09:54] <setite> this would probably all work if i could build linux-wlan-ng on amd64
[09:54] <setite> how do i remove a package with dpkg
[09:54] <Juerd> setite: dpkg --help
[09:55] <Juerd> setite: man dpkg
[09:55] <Juerd> setite: This way, you can read about how to use dpkg
[09:57] <setite> stupid ass shit
[09:57] <setite> why wont it build
[09:58] <Prodegy> Many Men
[09:58] <setite> ok forget this... im going back to windows... if ubuntu wont port linux-wlan-ng over than i cant use this distro
[09:59] <godzero> rr700: yes, you have to download it
[09:59] <Juerd> setite: You could be less stubborn use the 32bit version
[09:59] <Juerd> s/use/and use/
[09:59] <Juerd> setite: Is the performance of whatever other OS you're going to run more important than user experience?
[10:00] <libben> nikkia: u here ?
[10:00] <setite> Juerd: no... i dont want to use that... its not being stubborn... there are better distros so i will just get freebsd 6 when final is out
[10:00] <godzero> rr700: it's in main
[10:00] <setite> im lookinf for a better distro anyway... ubuntu is slow
[10:00] <Juerd> setite: If you think there are better distros, why use ubuntu in the first place? :)
[10:00] <rr700> godzero: through Kpackage?
[10:01] <Juerd> And the runtime speed is quite acceptable
[10:01] <setite> to test it out... which is what ive been doing... but this issue is the end of me on ubuntu...
[10:01] <Juerd> If you remove hotplug from /etc/rc2.d, even bootup is rather speedy :)
[10:01] <setite> when firefox loads faster on windows... how is that acceptable
[10:01] <nikki2> libben: no, but her evil laptop using twin is, why ?
[10:01] <godzero> rr700: have you edited your sources.list?
[10:01] <Juerd> setite: It doesn't on my computer.
[10:01] <rr700> no
[10:01] <setite> on my pc... windows spanks ubuntu on apps that run on both
[10:01] <godzero> rr700: no, not kpackage.
[10:02] <godzero> rr700: kubuntu?
[10:02] <Juerd> setite: Which ubuntu are you running?
[10:02] <setite> that should never happen... espcially usign a "64bit" distro
[10:02] <setite> hoary
[10:02] <rr700> yes breezy ver
[10:02] <setite> it was the same on warty and same on breezy
[10:02] <Juerd> setite: What kind of hard drive does your machine have?
[10:03] <setite> amd64 3400+ running at 2.75.... seagate 200gb sata drive... 512 megs ocz el-4000. bfg 6800gt
[10:03] <setite> want to know peripherals too :)
[10:03] <godzero> rr700: k, open konquror, navigate to //etc/ right click sources.list, pick edit as root... uncomment the extra repositoies
[10:03] <Juerd> setite: Install blktool, run "blktool /dev/sda dma on" and see if that improves performance
[10:04] <setite> lets prat that blktool is ported to 64
[10:04] <Juerd> setite: If you care about performance, by the way, upgrading to 1024 MB ram is probably going to do more overall than changing distros or using 64 bits
[10:04] <setite> not in this case... i have more than enough ram to open firefox... 
[10:04] <Juerd> I said overall
[10:05] <godzero> rr700: after that use kynaptic, oe better synaptic (more options / info with synaptic)
[10:05] <setite> im fully aware of how ram affects performance
[10:05] <Juerd> setite: Have you seen in top if any process uses your CPU too much?
[10:05] <setite> nope
[10:05] <Juerd> Run top
[10:05] <setite> looks like your tool isnt ported
[10:06] <Juerd> setite: It's not in the standard repository.
[10:06] <Juerd> setite: I don't know if it's from universe or multiverse, but one of those two.
[10:06] <setite> i have both of those
[10:06] <setite> and its not there
[10:06] <Juerd> That's unfortunate.
[10:06] <setite> so it must noe ba a 64bit package
[10:06] <Juerd> It could be that it's only in breezy.
[10:06] <setite> yup.. unfortunate that many apps dont get ported
[10:07] <setite> if they just had one dev work on just that... they would do a better job than they do... but it seems the pick and choose what they think should be ported... or they just dont give a f***
[10:07] <setite> there are no apps using very much cpu
[10:07] <eiko> is it possible to put stuff in the kde menu?
[10:07] <Juerd> They give a fuck, but everyone's time is limited.
[10:07] <setite> i like that less than 1.0% of my cpu is used when im doing nothing
[10:07] <Juerd> Please note that f*** is still the same word. If you don't want to use it, don't use it at all.
[10:08] <setite> ok fuck
[10:08] <setite> and legally.. its not.. thats why forums get away with auto censoring that way
[10:08] <Juerd> Personally I think that's overly stupid.
[10:09] <godzero> eiko: right click the kgear, menu editor. After you edit hit save (the floppy icon)
[10:09] <Juerd> It's about the intention of profanity, not the actual expression used. Everyone knows what f*** stands for. That makes it no better than the original.
[10:09] <setite> everyone knows the word... but the point is so that people who dont know the word(small ignorant children) dont learn it from that instance
[10:09] <Spudchat> hi guys
[10:09] <setite> when it comes to the reasons for censorship intention is irrelevant
[10:09] <Juerd> I think that the grown up ignorant adults need a lesson in what kids learn then.
[10:09] <Spudchat> whats a tool to encode avi to mpeg4 to burn to dvd?
[10:09] <Juerd> If you want to be friendly for the kids, don't use the word at all.
[10:10] <setite> Juerd: argue that with the fcc then.. its a waste of breath in all honesty.. but id prefer not to hear some idiot telling me to watch the language... so i chose that version
[10:10] <libben> nikki2: i need some help with permissions
[10:13] <nikki2> libben: what kind of help ?
[10:13] <godzero> any body using ATI on breezy?
[10:14] <libben> anyone wanna go thru with me what has happend with my q3.. its a permission thing im allmost sure of. but im quite new to this.. so anyone wanna help me with right perm on my quake3 stuff ?
[10:14] <libben> that kind of help
[10:14] <libben> quake3 (a game) wont read or take what i want it to take.
[10:14] <nikki2> libben, i know what quake3 is, dunno what permissions it should have tho
[10:15] <libben> well. ive installed it with a .run file. and then copied the rest that was needed from my ntfs partition... think i have some perms wrong. dont copying stuff from other partitions makes it fubar with perms ?
[10:15] <godzero> libben: q3 should run as *you* so should read anything you can. are you sure it's not write that it wants?
[10:16] <libben> hmm
[10:16] <libben> let me start the console and read the output
[10:16] <libben> Couldn't write q3config.cfg.
[10:16] <libben> Couldn't write baseq3.
[10:17] <setite> !univers
[10:17] <ubotu> Syntax error in line 1, setite
[10:17] <setite> !universe
[10:17] <ubotu> ask me about !repositories
[10:17] <libben> point is that i can launch the game and all that. but then i have my cfg in /usr/local/quake3/q3ut3
[10:17] <libben> and i wanna be able to take down the console ingame
[10:17] <libben> but it wont let me.
[10:18] <libben> and ive changed in the cfg to a valid key in both places.
[10:18] <libben> so im getting to wonder if it inherited a owners thing when i copied the stuff while i was root into /usr/local/games/quake3
[10:19] <nikki2> libben, if you copied from ntfs, it will have copied with read-only permissions
[10:19] <nikki2> libben, basically, what you need to do is... chmod -R +w /usr/local/quake3
[10:20] <setite> wtf.. now i cant even find ndiswrapper.. ok my repos must be broken
[10:20] <libben> now tell me what that does so i understand it also. so i just dont do the quick line
[10:21] <godzero> libben: chmod (changes permissions)
[10:22] <godzero> libben: you want to sudo chmod the file to world writable
[10:22] <libben> so -R removes the read on it ? and +w is write
[10:22] <nikki2> no
[10:22] <nikki2> -R = recursive, process the directory specified, and all sub files/directories
[10:22] <nikki2> +w means 'add write permissions'
[10:22] <Prodegy> Hey anyone want to help me dock something on My Desktop?
[10:23] <Prodegy> Will someone tell me who to Dock someonething on my desktop
[10:23] <Prodegy> I download a plugin for GClock
[10:24] <godzero> prodegy: ?
[10:24] <godzero> gnome?
[10:24] <Prodegy> Kubuntu
[10:24] <godzero> use superkaramba
[10:24] <Prodegy> How do I load Super Karamba?
[10:25] <godzero> install, execute it, then goto the website from in it's interface, download & run the plugins from there
[10:25] <Prodegy> How do I install it> is there a source code for it?
[10:26] <godzero> only if you really want to
[10:26] <godzero> use kynaptic
[10:26] <godzero> new to linux?
[10:27] <godzero> if so, you should know to edit your sources.list
[10:27] <Prodegy> I know how to run stuff yea
[10:27] <Prodegy> and I know how to install a repositorie
[10:28] <godzero> should be in main I think
[10:28] <godzero> let me check
[10:28] <godzero> sorry, it's in universe
[10:29] <Prodegy> How do I add it?
[10:31] <godzero> edit /etc/sources.list as root/sudo, uncomment the universe lines, run kynaptic, update list (left most icon), serch for "karamba", check super karamba
[10:32] <godzero> then "commit" (right most icon)
[10:35] <Prodegy> uncomment means take the # out of them rihgt?
[10:35] <godzero> yepp, pluss the space for good measure
[10:35] <Prodegy> Ok
[10:36] <Prodegy> Ok how do I login under root
[10:36] <Prodegy> do I need to change anything
[10:36] <godzero> do you know how to sudo?
[10:36] <Prodegy> I know
[10:36] <Prodegy> sudo passwd
[10:36] <Prodegy> that changes the root password
[10:36] <Prodegy> I dunt know sudo root or anything
[10:36] <godzero> no
[10:37] <godzero> sudo [command to be run as root] 
[10:38] <Prodegy> so what would I put to run as root?
[10:38] <Prodegy> like sudo /etc/sources.list?
[10:38] <godzero> so "sudo nano //etc/sources.list" would do what you want here
[10:38] <godzero> nano is a text editor
[10:39] <Prodegy> so how would I edit in terminal;
[10:40] <godzero> did you try/see nano?
[10:40] <Prodegy> I see nano
[10:40] <Prodegy> but I dont see any text
[10:41] <Prodegy> Now its not even opening
[10:41] <godzero> great, just use he arrow keys to get around, delete the "# " and hit ctrl-o to write and ctrl-x to exit
[10:41] <godzero> ctrl-x
[10:42] <Prodegy> Ok but how do I see the text
[10:42] <godzero> the type exactly:
[10:43] <godzero> sudo nano //etc/apt/sources.list
[10:43] <godzero> sorry I forgot /apt/
[10:49] <godzero> maybe there should be a icon on the desktop of a new install that leads to a .html howto on this stuff
[10:53] <libben> hmm dident work
[10:54] <libben> the chmod thing on q3
[10:54] <libben> hmm... how do i uninstall q3?
[10:54] <godzero> did you install using kynaptic?
[10:55] <godzero> (or any *apt*
[10:55] <libben> no, i downloaded a bin file that fixed all symlinks and all that. then copied the rest stuff from quake3 folder on my ntfs partition that i mounted
[10:57] <gerarcone> how can i do to set the dimensions of the terminal window permanently?
[10:57] <godzero> oh, well then I'd say to delete it's folder, search for symlicks and delete them if it doesn't have a uninstall command
[10:57] <libben> i know where the symlink is
[10:58] <libben> in /usr/local/bin/*quake3
[10:59] <godzero> gerarcone: stretch to taste, then (menu bar) sttings |save session profile
[11:00] <godzero> rm the real files, then rm the symlink
[11:00] <libben> and its uninstalled the hardway?
[11:00] <gerarcone> godzero: tx
[11:00] <libben> no other place where its a trace of it
[11:00] <libben> except my home folder
[11:00] <libben> wich has .q3a
[11:01] <godzero> might as well rm that too 
[11:01] <libben> ofcuz
[11:02] <godzero> ps: I think q3 is in universe (with out maps), but I never installed it cause my video driver sucks
[11:03] <godzero> are the wads on the cd or are the all packed up in a big file?
[11:03] <godzero> I should find it and find out
[11:05] <libben> pak files not wads
[11:06] <libben> and their just plain containers.
[11:11] <marndt> Hi everyone
[11:11] <marndt> Is anyone here familiar with Xen?
[11:12] <godzero> libben: ah, thanks.. when I get my video fixed I'll have to try that. (if can still find my cd)
[11:13] <libben> its just download the .run file from ids ftp server. and install it. and then copy the baseq3 folder to the installed dir 
[11:16] <godzero> ah ya found it: media:/hdd/Quake3/baseq3 .. thanks
[11:17] <libben> lol
[11:18] <godzero> I was expecting a big .msi or something
[11:18] <libben> just found out that my "" the one above TAB is called KP_DOWNARROW
[11:18] <libben> hmm
[11:18] <libben> weird
[11:18] <libben> why would it be one config in xterm and another in quake3
[11:18] <libben> any comments anyone ?
[11:18] <lonewolff> godzero: nah, after running the installer, you just need pak0.pk3 from the install disc
[11:19] <libben> lonewolff: u know why layout is a diffrent then the xterms one ?
[11:19] <lonewolff> what layout?
[11:19] <libben> keymap
[11:19] <lonewolff> oh! i dont know
[11:19] <lonewolff> sorry
[11:19] <libben> my tilde key is "" in xterm
[11:20] <libben> and ingame, it tells me kp_downarrow
[11:20] <libben> weird =)
[11:20] <lonewolff> yeh, never had that problem, maybee you can set it ingame
[11:20] <godzero> i get ` or ~ in xterm (unshifted, shifted)
[11:21] <godzero> us/104
[11:21] <lonewolff> me 2
[11:21] <godzero> you forgot the aol tags
[11:21] <libben> how can i check mine in xterm?
[11:22] <libben> i have pc105 and SE layout
[11:22] <Prodegy> godzero im back
[11:22] <mikonian> Hi. Can someone answer some question?
[11:24] <Prodegy> What you need Mikonian
[11:24] <mikonian> How easy is it to upgrade to 5.10 from 5.05?
[11:24] <Prodegy> 5.10 Kubuntu?
[11:27] <mikonian> yup
[11:28] <apokryphos> mikonian: change one file and put in one command
[11:28] <apokryphos> pretty simple, I'd say. :)
[11:28] <mikonian> sweeeet
[11:29] <apokryphos> Though you mean 5.04 ;-)
[11:29] <mikonian> oh yeah, sorry
[11:29] <anatemus> hello all =) I'm selecting a distribution for my parents and I'd like to ask few things..
[11:29] <mikonian> i switched from ubuntu to kubuntu so i'm thinking of just clean-installing
[11:29] <mikonian> will the iso work for that too?
[11:30] <apokryphos> mikonian: of course, but there's no real need
[11:30] <apokryphos> mikonian: to convert to a default kubuntu installation (if you had ubuntu before), you can just use the debfoster command.
[11:30] <apokryphos> anatemus: fire away
[11:31] <mikonian> really? how does that work?
[11:31] <anatemus> allright, is everything they might need on that one cd?
[11:31] <prodegy> Hey can someone help me on how to edit the source list
[11:31] <prodegy> because when I sudo nano it, it doesnt show the text in the file
[11:31] <apokryphos> mikonian: it works by using two metapackages -- one to keep, and one to dish out (see /msg ubotu metapackage )
[11:32] <apokryphos> anatemus: if it isn't they can get practically anything from the package manager
[11:32] <apokryphos> prodegy: alt+f2 -> kdesu kwrite /etc/apt/sources.list
[11:33] <mikonian> so i konsole->debfoster
[11:33] <anatemus> apokryphos: but they are living behind slow dial-up connection, and i'd like to download everything from my adsl-connnection before installation..
[11:33] <apokryphos> mikonian: what's the output of exactly dpkg -l|grep buntu-desktop ?
[11:34] <prodegy> I edited the sources now how do I find Super Karamba
[11:34] <mikonian> apokryphos: ii  ubuntu-desktop 0.43           The Ubuntu desktop system
[11:34] <apokryphos> anatemus: the DVD iso has more packages; but, might be worth installing everythng from your connecting, then taking it to them
[11:34] <apokryphos> mikonian: how did you install Kubuntu then?
[11:35] <apokryphos> prodegy: always search the repositories before asking how to get an app
[11:35] <mikonian> oops, one sec
[11:35] <anatemus> apokryphos: good point. but box is already there :(
[11:36] <apokryphos> anatemus: there and installed, you mean?
[11:36] <apokryphos> anatemus: well, what exactly are their needs?
[11:38] <prodegy> I cannot find it anywhere
[11:38] <anatemus> apokryphos: websurfing, email, organizing & editing digital photos, simple games (no 3d) etc... and there's also damn winmodem which might need some nasty packages...
[11:38] <apokryphos> prodegy: you evidently don't have the basic repositories enabled. 
[11:38] <apokryphos> ubotu: tell prodegy about repositories
[11:39] <apokryphos> anatemus: their own games, or kde games?
[11:39] <apokryphos> anatemus: on all the others (bar winmodem), Kubuntu default is a definite -> check.
[11:39] <prodegy> Im on KubUntu that is for Ubuntu
[11:39] <prodegy> Im using Kynapatic not Synapatic
[11:40] <apokryphos> prodegy: almost irrelevant
[11:40] <prodegy> well there is no thing for Repositories on Kynapatic
[11:40] <apokryphos> prodegy: paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969    -- use that samble sources.list
[11:40] <apokryphos> prodegy: there is; it tells you to use the sample sources.list file
[11:41] <apokryphos> s/samble/sample
[11:41] <anatemus> apokryphos: just kde-games, like soitaire =) can i find acomplete list of kubuntus packages somewhere?
[11:41] <apokryphos> anatemus: yes, kdegames/kdetoys is installed on Kubuntu. A complete list of available, or ones coming with the ISO?
[11:41] <apokryphos> well, for both it's a yes
[11:42] <anatemus> apokryphos: just those on the iso. and thanks for help =D
[11:42] <apokryphos> anatemus: all the things installed: http://releases.ubuntu.com/hoary/ubuntu-5.04-dvd-i386.list
[11:42] <apokryphos> whoop, that's the ubuntu list
[11:43] <apokryphos> anatemus: there http://releases.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/5.04/kubuntu-5.04-dvd-i386.list
[11:44] <anatemus> thanks=)
[11:45] <anatemus> no digikam =(
[11:45] <apokryphos> anatemus: mind you, it's only things in /pool/* that they'll be able to use
[11:45] <apokryphos> hm, yeah
[11:46] <apokryphos> anatemus: it's 5 megs
[11:46] <prodegy> Now that I used the example source list should I run Kynapatic again and search for Karamba or Super Karamba
[11:46] <apokryphos> wouldn't take long on a modem
[11:46] <apokryphos> prodegy: did you uncomment the relevant repositories before saving the sources.list ?
[11:47] <prodegy> Yes
[11:47] <mikonian> sorry apokryphos...the output was the same
[11:47] <apokryphos> mikonian: eh?
[11:47] <anatemus> and any dependencies? (did i spell it right? ;)
[11:47] <apokryphos> mikonian: I just said, "how did you install kubuntu then"?
[11:48] <mikonian> oh. i followe dthe instructions on how to migrate from ubuntu to kubuntu
[11:48] <apokryphos> anatemus: it can probably get all the dependencies from the CD, actually.
[11:48] <apokryphos> mikonian: eh? What's that? Link?
[11:48] <mikonian> apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[11:48] <apokryphos> anatemus: spelt correctly, yes :)
[11:49] <mikonian> http://www.kubuntu.org/documentation.php
[11:49] <apokryphos> mikonian: then evidently you would have kubuntu-desktop :)
[11:49] <mikonian> yuppers. it's been kinda acting weird the last few weeks...guess i should stop messing with it. 
[11:49] <mikonian> i can't stand the login screen through. how do i change it?
[11:50] <apokryphos> mikonian: install kubuntu-desktop and then use debfoster if you want to remove traces of normal ubuntu
[11:50] <mikonian> what's the command?
[11:50] <apokryphos> mikonian: it's a KDM theme; you can grab one from kdelook.org
[11:50] <apokryphos> mikonian: sudo aptitude install kubuntu-desktop
[11:51] <anatemus> hey, if i do a "training" install on my machine, is there some kind of rpm cache what i can burn to cd and use elsewhere?
[11:51] <apokryphos> anatemus: kubuntu is debian-based ;)
[11:52] <anatemus> oh, deb-cache i mean ;)
[11:52] <apokryphos> anatemus: apt cache is at /var/cache/apt/archives/
[11:52] <apokryphos> all the .debs will be in there
[11:52] <mikonian> ok, done. now i restart kde?
[11:53] <apokryphos> mikonian: did what? Got a new kdm theme?
[11:53] <anatemus> yeah, that's the way to do it =) install on my machine, grab the install-medium & burn archives and configs to other cd =)
[11:53] <mikonian> sudo aptitude install kubuntu-desktop
[11:54] <apokryphos> mikonian: no restart needed; now use debfoster
[11:54] <apokryphos> anatemus: would of course work, yes 
[11:54] <mikonian> just type in debfoster
[11:54] <mikonian> ?
[11:54] <apokryphos> mikonian: you should generally always see the man and/or --help page before using a command
[11:54] <libben> damit, i wont let the game win over me.
[11:55] <mikonian> debfoster = command not found
[11:55] <anatemus> apokryphos: there wasn't a question, i was only thinking aloud ;) but thanks for confirming :
[11:55] <apokryphos> mikonian: idea! Install debfoster. :)
[11:56] <godzero> I ran off for a minute to eat, and everyone starts telking
[11:56] <apokryphos> anatemus: 8)
[11:56] <mikonian> i'm such a dork sometimes
[11:56] <apokryphos> godzero: no rest for the wicked!
[11:57] <apokryphos> mikonian: :P
[12:00] <godzero> I saw a question back a but about ubuntu -> kubuntu, and someone mentioned kubuntu-desktop... but will that start kdm with x?
[12:00] <godzero> bit
[12:00] <apokryphos> eh?
[12:00] <mikonian> thanks for debfoster, apokryphos. the KDM theme, i tried to follow the instructions, but i don't have a kdm folder to work with
[12:00] <apokryphos> godzero: KDM uses X, KDE uses X, so, erm, yes.. =)
[12:01] <apokryphos> mikonian: you don't need one; you point to the kdm theme location in the kdmrc file