[12:03] <phlaegel> ogra: I've noticed that I can't use brightside (screen corner actions) to prevent gnome-screensaver from starting when I watch a movie. do you know if the problem would be in g-s or in brightside?
[12:05] <ogra> no idea, i dont even know brightside, but i guess it needs adjustment to set the gconf key that controls if gnome-screensaver is enabled
[12:06] <Mithrandir> brightside is teh love.  We should desktop seed it
[12:06] <ogra> Mithrandir, after we made it work with gnome-screensaver indeed :)
[12:07] <ogra> it should set /apps/gnome-screensaver/mode to disabled and afterwards back to the former state
[12:11] <phlaegel> ah, here's what it does with xscreensaver: "implemented by running xscreensaver-command -deactivate every 30 seconds"
[12:19] <ogra> phlaegel, yes, that nedds to be changed to a gconftool-2 call that sets the key to disabled
[12:22] <torkel> or changed to run gnome-screensaver-command --deactivate :-)
[12:23] <mjg59> jbailey: Oh nnnnnnngh.
[12:23] <mjg59> jbailey: Can we do the LVM setup there as well?
[12:25] <Mithrandir> ogra: it should probably rather use libgconf, though.
[12:27] <phlaegel> gnome-screensaver has the a command line --deactivate option as well... which way would be better, cmdline or gconf?
[12:28] <Mithrandir> I think gconf, but that might just be me
[12:29] <phlaegel> well, after looking at the brightside source, switching to support gnome-screensaver would be really easy (even I, a non C programmer) could do it.
[12:29] <phlaegel> But really, it should detect whether xscreensaver or gnome-screensaver is in effect and only manipulate the righ tone.
[12:30] <Mithrandir> that's a bit harder, though.
[12:30] <Mithrandir> it could just run -deactivate on both
[12:30] <torkel> expect that gnome-screensaver uses -- and xscreensaver - :-(
[12:31] <torkel> unless you want to run both g-s-c and x-c 
[12:32] <Mithrandir> yes, that was my suggestiong
[12:32] <Mithrandir> suggestion, even
[12:32] <torkel> ah
[12:34] <ogra> torkel, with my next upload you wont be able to run both... they clach if you run both daemons and you got two identical entrys in the menu
[12:35] <ogra> i'll make the packages conflict...
[12:35] <torkel> ogra: great
[12:36] <torkel> ogra: might be an idea to make an xscreensaver-command wrapper in gnome-screensaver?
[12:37] <torkel> it would ease the migration to gnome-screensaver
[12:39] <ogra> hmm, i wonder if we'd really need that, the desktop itself works out of the box without it... and we wont see problems with universe apps
[12:46] <Kamion> wow
[12:46] <ogra> :)
[12:46] <ogra> Kamion, for you http://www.grawert.net/edubuntu/edu_isolinux.png
[12:47] <ogra> 639x320@16
[12:47] <Kamion> thanks, could you mail me that?
[12:47] <ogra> yup
[12:47] <Kamion> er, the URL
[12:47] <Kamion> I'll set it up on Monday
[12:47] <Kamion> thanks
[12:48] <ogra> sure, take your time :)
[12:51] <Riddell> how can I add a trusted key to apt?
[12:51] <Mez> Kamion: is that for the usplash?
[12:51] <Mez> I was wondering about getting a version for that
[12:52] <Mez> Riddell - man apt-key
[12:52] <ogra> Mez, thats for the CD splash, not usplash
[12:53] <Mez> ah
[12:53] <Mez> shame be cool for usplash for kubuntu/edu/ub
[12:53] <ogra> Mez, http://www.grawert.net/edubuntu/edusplash.png thats for usplash
[12:54] <ogra> (in fact its the same pic, just cropped down for isolinux)
[12:54] <Mez> ogra: so there are going to be seperate usplash's for the different ones?
[12:54] <Mez> does that mean kubuntu#'ll get one
[12:54] <Kamion> hopefully
[12:54] <ogra> dunno, depends on Riddell's atr team ;)
[12:55] <ogra> art even
[12:55] <Mez> the new art is looking nice
[12:55] <Riddell> ogra: Mez likes my art at least :)
[12:56] <ogra> Riddell, that was no criticism :)
[12:56] <Mez> Riddell, you made the art?
[12:56] <Mez> I do like the loading screen...
[12:56] <Mez> very tacky, but, still - cool
[12:56] <Riddell> what's the status of usplash support for different graphics?
[12:57] <Riddell> Mez: it's based on the stuff in 3.5
[12:57] <ogra> Riddell, jbailey called for graphics last week... so it seems we'll have them soon
[12:57] <Mez> Riddell: I'm on about the letters being used as the markers... so you slowly revela the word "kubuntu" as you login
[12:57] <Mez> tacky, but uber
[12:58] <Riddell> Mez: yeah, got that idea off someone on kde-look
[12:58] <Mez> lol
[12:58] <Mez> If I'd seen that a few years ago, i would have thought "how tacky" and gone off the distro
[12:58] <Mez> but, it's done well
[01:02] <sladen> Mez: the easter egg is that it changes to   h a h a h a !  on 2006-04-01
[01:02] <mjg59> Right. Is there anything I'm supposed to be fixing right now?
[01:03] <mjg59> Other than yenta-socket and hibernate
[01:03] <mjg59> And gnome-screensaver integration
[01:03] <Mez> lol@ sladen - I woiuldnt be surprised
[01:04] <ogra> Mez, you will be... if it loads GNOME afterwards ;)
[01:05] <sladen> mjg59: my R52 doesn't turn the blacklight off when blanking the screen.  Is that your fault?
[01:05] <Mez> ogra: lol - I've not ever really used ubuntu :D
[01:08] <mjg59> sladen: I don't know. What does xset dpms force off do?
[01:09] <ogra> mjg59, do we want dpms in gnome-screensaver on by default ? 
[01:10] <ogra> i'm just twiddling with the defaults in the package
[01:11] <mjg59> ogra: Yes
[01:12] <ogra> ok
[01:45] <jdub> GOOD MORNING FREEDOM LOVERS!
[01:45] <jdub> jbailey: ooh, good upload! :)
[01:45] <magnon> goood morning jeff :)
[01:59] <bddebian> Heya jdub 
[02:00] <bddebian> Why would xfonts-terminus source be in main but package in Universe?  Or am I reading apt-cache madison output incorrectly?
[02:02] <Mez> bddebian, some packages get overriden if they're inconsequential parts of a source package
[02:02] <Mez> like - technically, k3b-mp3 should be overriden to be put in restricted/multiverse :D
[02:03] <bddebian> Mez: But they are the only part of the source package?
[02:03] <Mez> bddebian, a source package can provide multiple binary packages
[02:04] <bddebian> Aye, I know that
[02:04] <bddebian> I see what you are saying.  X binary package out of Y source package may end up in universe.
[02:05] <bddebian> Right?
[02:05] <Mez> yep
[02:05] <Mez> though for some reason - that seems like a weird package
[02:05] <bddebian> Why?
[02:05] <Mez> Source package: xfonts-terminus (4.12-2ubuntu1)
[02:05] <Mez> The following binary packages are built from this source package:
[02:05] <Mez> console-terminus
[02:05] <Mez>     Fixed-width fonts for fast reading on the Linux console
[02:05] <Mez> xfonts-terminus
[02:05] <Mez>     Fixed-width fonts for fast reading.
[02:05] <Mez> console-terminus = in main
[02:05] <Mez> the rest arent
[02:06] <bddebian> Guess someone felt console-terminus was important? ;-)
[02:06] <bddebian> So can I upload a fix to the xfonts-terminus binary without affecting main?
[02:07] <Mez> er
[02:07] <Mez> no
[02:07] <bddebian> That's what I thought
[02:07] <bddebian> OH well, that bug stays open :-)
[02:07] <Mez> you need to have main upload rights for it as the source package is what your uploading which is in main
[02:07] <Mez> :d
[02:07] <Mez> :P
[02:42] <Riddell> is P1 or P5 highest priority in bugzilla?
[02:45] <Riddell> ah, there's priority and severity
[02:45] <Riddell> I'll go for severity, at least that has descriptive names
[02:47] <tseng> Riddell: http://www.livejournal.com/users/spyderous/51021.html
[02:50] <Riddell> tseng: thanks
[02:51] <tseng> Riddell: nps.
[02:51] <ajmitch> hi
[02:51] <tseng> hi andrew
[02:52] <tseng> thanks for the "beagle leaks" bug
[02:52] <tseng> i need to cool off before addressing it
[02:52] <tseng> w/o sounding like a cock
[02:52] <jdub> thought: why aren't we shipping mysql 4.1 as the unversioned 'mysql-server' package (thus replacing 4.0 in main)?
[02:52] <ajmitch> it looked like a bit more than the usual leakage
[02:52] <tseng> not really
[02:52] <tseng> im not sure what people think happens when you try to index 10s of gigs of data
[02:53] <jdub> tseng: interdimensional quantum cluster indexing?
[02:53] <tseng> jdub: yeah dude
[02:53] <jdub> it's more efficient
[02:53] <tseng> i was just talking to abock about the same thing
[02:53] <tseng> we are going to invent CFQ-MissCleo
[02:53] <jdub> obviously we need to support the atomchip
[02:54] <tseng> miss cleo being a popular psychic on tv in the US
[02:54] <tseng> it will read your mind and assign IO accordingly
[02:54] <ajmitch> jdub: and the quantum optical memory?
[02:54] <tseng> jdub: I hear their x86 emulation is amazing
[02:54] <tseng> jdub: i bet breezy runs out of the box.
[02:54] <tseng> in russian only, though.
[02:55] <tseng> ajmitch: 70 GIGWATZ
[02:55] <tseng> +A
[02:56] <ajmitch> yeah
[02:56] <ajmitch> you require your own fusion plant to run it then?
[02:56] <tseng> jdub: so dude, not making UBZ, but whiprush and I are going to totally hit up the summit
[02:56] <tseng> jdub: SEE YOU THERE.
[02:56] <tseng> (badger badger badger)
[02:57] <sladen> Riddell: http://www.paul.sladen.org/ubuntu/usplash/kubuntu-usplash/ now in exchange, can I steal your living room back to go to sleep?  :-)
[02:59] <tseng> ajmitch: bio-diesel
[03:00] <sladen> jbailey: riddell says "Nice", so you can add the above the initramfs pr0n collection now
[03:01] <tseng> can we get nipples on usplash?
[03:01] <tseng> or too much to ask.
[03:01] <jdub> tseng: oh, elite!
[03:01] <jdub> tseng: well, half elite.
[03:01] <sladen> tseng: 14 colour breast representations... mmm.
[03:02] <jdub> sladen: nicely done
[03:02] <Riddell> sladen: you can have the living room back in a minute yes
[03:03] <tseng> jdub: only half?
[03:03] <jdub> tseng: given !UBZ
[03:04] <tseng> oh, well
[03:04] <ajmitch> tseng: no time/$ for UBZ?
[03:04] <tseng> claire said i smell awful and she would not be having me in the same hotel again
[03:04] <ajmitch> sounds fair
[03:04] <tseng> ajmitch: i could afford it
[03:04] <tseng> ajmitch: but its not worth it for me
[03:05] <tseng> i can get my fix at the boston summit for much less
[03:05] <tseng> and less time off work
[03:05] <ajmitch> that's what I'm thinking of too
[03:05] <sladen> C. needs a bigger fleet of private jets to taxi people
[03:05] <jdub> tseng: plus there will be more mono love at the summit
[03:05] <sladen> Mez: yo
[03:05] <tseng> jdub: yes!
[03:05] <jdub> sladen: we could buy the ones that novell's investors are suggesting they ditch
[03:05] <tseng> jdub: i cant wait to meet miguel
[03:05] <ajmitch> a pity I won't be at the summit then
[03:05] <ajmitch> tseng: you'll have to represent the mono love in ubuntu
[03:05] <Mez> sladen: you were doing the ubuntu t-shirts were you not?
[03:06] <tseng> ajmitch: miguel already represented it at GUADEC
[03:06] <jdub> tseng: i think you will dig hacking with nat, rml, joe and trow
[03:06] <sladen> Mez: nope.  I do the Debian ones...
[03:06] <tseng> jdub: oh man, joe and trow are elite!
[03:06] <ajmitch> tseng: in ubuntu?
[03:06] <tseng> jdub: and nat, but thats given
[03:06] <Mez> sladen: I must have misheard then when you were trying to pedal the debian ones :D
[03:06] <tseng> ajmitch: someone at GUADEC asked when mono will go in fedora
[03:07] <tseng> ajmitch: miguel says "probably never, just get NLD.. actually, get ubunut"
[03:07] <tseng> ubuntu rather
[03:07] <tseng> this was at the keynote, live streaming and all that
[03:07] <ajmitch> hah
[03:07] <ajmitch> nice
[03:07] <sladen> Mez: artwork rather than flog.    https://wiki.ubuntu.com/t-shirt  has details of the ones Simera is flogging
[03:08] <Mez> ty sladen
[03:08] <ajmitch> I just don't know if it's worth me coming to UBZ, given the cost
[03:08] <tseng> exactly
[03:09] <ajmitch> tseng: btw I felt like doing something crazy & hacking DPAP support into f-spot
[03:09] <tseng> ajmitch: dude save it for LCA or something
[03:09] <tseng> ajmitch: hm i heard talk of that on #g-h a few times
[03:09] <ajmitch> LCA is only a short walkl down the street for me
[03:09] <ajmitch> seriously
[03:09] <tseng> i think it was David
[03:09] <tseng> davyd
[03:09] <ajmitch> wouldn't surprise me
[03:09] <jdub> ajmitch: i'm sure we'll have another summit much closer to .au/.nz
[03:09] <Mez> why is it that the only semi-decent linux things in england are never near me
[03:09] <ajmitch> jdub: I hope so
[03:09] <jdub> ajmitch: we're going for regions
[03:10] <Mez> only one I've managed to pull off getting to was LRL
[03:10] <ajmitch> jdub: I would have liked to push a couple of things at UBZ, and take a bit of a holiday in the area afterwards
[03:10] <ajmitch> jdub: I expect you'll be at LCA, of course?
[03:10] <Mez> ajmitch: then come, or pass them off to someone else to push at it
[03:11] <sladen> Mez: Linux Expo is in a fortnight, if you come and do there stand you might be lucky enough to get an exclusive Ubuntu t-shirt :)
[03:11] <jdub> ajmitch: on the VP's arm :-)
[03:11] <ajmitch> jdub: good :)
[03:11] <Mez> sladen: I was meant to get one at LRL  but noone was around
[03:11] <Mez> and I'm working when it's on
[03:11] <Mez> hence why I cant make it
[03:12] <sladen> Mez: ah, if you did the stand there and didn't get one, it might be possible to sort one out
[03:13] <Mez> I sort of did
[03:13] <Mez> but because the guy i was meant to talk to - I couldnt find
[03:13] <Mez> causde noone was on the stand
[03:13] <Mez> the best I could do was stand in front talking to people (inluding you)
[03:14] <sladen> Mez: the problem with Ubuntu stuff in the UK is everyone with 1 foot in Ubuntu is too busy pimping Debian, KDE or other $foo of choice
[03:15] <jdub> sladen: i think this is a 'problem' in general, but it's easy to work around
[03:15] <jdub> sladen: ubuntu is a great vehicle for pimping your other projects
[03:16] <jdub> [ the plural 'your' ;-) ] 
[03:17] <Mez> :P
[03:17] <Mez> sladen: too true
[03:17] <sladen> jdub: indeed :-).  I think the better take to solve this is probably to sucumvent the other projects and get the GNOME stand demo'ing Ubuntu, KDE Ubuntu, LTSP... etc
[03:17] <Mez> lol
[03:17] <sladen> get it into people's heads that Ubuntu is the _means_ rather than the _end_
[03:17] <Mez> :P
[03:18] <Mez> and how you gonna get that to happen
[03:18] <jdub> sladen: though that becomes problematic in some circumstances (GNOME is very aware of its distributors, so favouring one seems unfair)
[03:18] <sladen> Mez: know any other people who aren't working.  Need to find about 15 people for the Ubuntu stand, onto of about 15 for the Debian stand, minus all the ones that Canonical won't let have time off...
[03:18] <jdub> LTSP are very ubuntu focused atm, but that may change
[03:19] <sladen> (* and it's release date about then)
[03:19] <jdub> why do you need 15?
[03:19] <jdub> that's a *lot* of people
[03:19] <Mez> sladen: not anyone that'd want to do it
[03:19] <sladen> jdub: that's about what it takes to man the Debian stand at the expo.  We normally have a constant 7-10 conversations happening and it's nice to give people time off over the two days
[03:20] <Mez> anyways
[03:20] <Mez> I'm gonna walk the dog
[03:30] <Mez> sladen: did you get my /query?
[03:30] <sladen> Mez: yes, and I even replied to it
[03:30] <Mez> hmm
[03:30] <Mez> I didn gtet your reply
[03:30] <Mez> weird
[03:31] <Mez> sladen: you're not id'd to nickserv thats why
[03:32] <Mez> and I cant seem to turn off +E
[03:33] <sladen> ta, solved.
[04:05] <jdub> bddebian: please stop destroying global productivity by uploading new versions of wesnoth. kthxbye.
[04:05] <bddebian> Uhm, is that sarcasm?
[04:06] <jdub> no. wesnoth is a stain upon the free software movement.
[04:06] <jdub> it must be stopped.
[04:06] <bddebian> Well someone needs to tell me this stuff
[04:06] <jdub> whatever you do, don't play it.
[04:06] <jdub> don't even test the packages.
[04:07] <jdub> it's just too dangerous.
[04:07] <bddebian> Oh I've played it before.  Sorry, it doesn't compare to NeverWinterNights ;-P
[04:25] <ajmitch> tseng: is there a monodoc 1.1.8 floating around the net?
[04:50] <bddebian> infinity: ping?
[05:18] <bddebian> jdub: Well you will be happy to know that I broke wesnoth
[05:20] <jdub> ha ha ;-0
[05:20] <jdub> ;-)
[05:21] <jdub> that will keep the evil at bay!
[05:21] <bddebian> :'-(
[05:22] <wasabi__> I seem to be unable to get libnss-ldap to work with gssapi properly. =(
[05:27] <LinuxJones> Can someone pop in #ubuntu and kick Hommm he's a spamming/annoying twat !!
[05:31] <bddebian> mdz: You around?
[05:39] <Lathiat> hrm, i'm not getting DRI with fglrx despite xorg.log showing it all good
[05:46] <bddebian> Heya tritium 
[05:46] <tritium> Hi bddebian 
[05:47] <bddebian> tritium: Got any extra space in NM? ;-)
[05:47] <tritium> bddebian, sure, are you driving through>?
[05:48] <bddebian> tritium: Nah, I think I'm going to have to go into hiding :-)
[05:48] <tritium> bddebian, oh?  Why's that?
[05:48] <bddebian> For being stupid :-)
[05:49] <tritium> bddebian, I'm sure it's nothing too serious.
[05:50] <bddebian> I asked for a sync of Wesnoth and somehow missed a dep on ttf-dejavu.  Which wouldn't be so bad because it would be new to us.  However, ttf-dejavu build-deps on a newer version of fontforge, which is in main.. :'-(
[05:53] <tritium> bddebian, don't beat yourself up about it
[05:58] <wasabi__> we need bigger uid space. =(
[05:59] <wasabi__> I wonder perhaps if we shouldn't be using uids past a certain range as part of the system (nobody comes to mind)
[06:33] <elmo>    * Rebuild for glibc
[06:33] <elmo> bddebian: eh?
[06:36] <bddebian> elmo: Malone bug #1082.  Bad description,sorry
[06:36] <crimsun> elmo: not sure if someone else to requested this; please sync openafs from Sid
[06:37] <crimsun> wow, I can't type. "...if someone else has requested..."
[06:40] <elmo> crimsun: done
[06:40] <crimsun> thanks!
[06:40] <tritium> hi crimsun
[06:40] <crimsun> 'lo tritium 
[08:46] <mdz> bddebian: am now
[09:11] <spstarr> thanks for making hplip (HP Printing daemons) optional with /etc/default/hplip :-))
[10:11] <jbailey> sladen: Eh, what? =)
[10:31] <pef> hello
[10:46] <jbailey> mjg59: The problem with doing the lvm setup there is that in the multipath case, some of the components of the LVM volume might be on the USB, so you risk corruption.
[10:46] <jbailey> mjg59: What I've done for now is test if the device exists at that point.  If not, I proceed as before.
[10:47] <jbailey> So for people with USB that doesn't suck they can recover from it too.
[10:47] <sladen> jbailey: http://www.paul.sladen.org/ubuntu/usplash/kubuntu-usplash/kubuntu-usplash-640x480-14.png  however I've just noticed that the gradient on the reflection looks better the other way up, so there'll probably be a newer version later
[10:47] <jbailey> sladen: Nice. =)
[10:47] <jbailey> sladen: Is this correctly pallette matched for foreground/background/failed text?
[10:48] <jbailey> (0,2, and 12 or 13 IIRC)
[10:49] <jbailey> Mm, no 0 has to be background.
[10:49] <sladen> jbailey: nope, because I couldn't find what they were.  There's 14 colors meaning there are two to play with and two that should be stealable
[10:49] <jbailey> Lemme look them up, justasec.
[10:49] <sladen> jbailey: I'll do a wiki page if you let me in on the secret :)
[10:49] <jbailey> #define TEXT_BACKGROUND 0
[10:49] <jbailey> #define TEXT_FOREGROUND 2
[10:49] <jbailey> #define RED 13
[10:50] <jbailey> #define BACKGROUND_COLOUR 0
[10:50] <jbailey> #define PROGRESSBAR_COLOUR 1
[10:50] <jbailey> Those are hardcodes atm, and should probably stay that way for breezy.
[10:50] <jbailey> When we have time for cleverness, they can become configurable.
[10:51] <fabbione> hey jb
[10:51] <jbailey> Heya Fabio!
[10:51] <jbailey> sladen: I'll even tell you what the alternative will be once I get it setup.
[10:51] <jbailey> I'm not in much shape to be hacking atm.
[10:53] <sladen> jbailey: don't worry.  btw, do you/Kamion know off the top of your head what isolinux uses to select its colours?
[10:53] <jbailey> I have no experience with isolinux
[10:55] <sladen> ogra: for edubuntu-artwork, is it possible to make it use dpkg-divert against ubuntu-artwork if not much has changed?
[11:07] <Kamion> sladen: don't worry about that, I can deal with the isolinux palette when running ppmtolss16 to convert to rle format for isolinux
[11:08] <Kamion> sladen: just make sure one colour in the palette is black or very close to black (for background) and one is close to white (for text underneath the image)
[11:08] <Kamion> isolinux wants background as colour 0 and text as colour 7, but the conversion program has options to rearrange the palette arbitrarily
[11:11] <jdub> sladen: and you can use any of those colours in your image (they're not changed, they're just used for other things)
[11:23] <sladen> Can $people fixup https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Usplash/Artwork
[11:51] <ogra> sladen, nope, it uses many of the ubuntu-artwork contents, i just set some cdd gconf keys and use other splash and background images
[11:51] <ogra> thats why edubuntu-artwork depends on ubuntu-artwork
[12:24] <Micksa> gnyah
[12:25] <Micksa> how do I get ~/.xsession to run?
[12:26] <Micksa> or achive the same effect - per user X startup commans
[12:27] <mdke> Micksa, try #ubuntu for support
[12:31] <Micksa> ubuntu doesn't like me
[12:32] <Micksa> #ubuntu even
[12:33] <mdke> sorry to hear that
[12:33] <mdke> keep trying though!
[12:33] <mdke> someone will help
[01:01] <elvirolo> hi all
[01:01] <elvirolo> is it relevant to report bugs related to internationalisation yet ?
[01:02] <mdke> sure
[01:03] <elvirolo> ok thanks
[01:03] <elvirolo> cause about 20 % of kubuntu isn't translated into french 
[01:04] <\sh> elvirolo: please join #kubuntu-devel ,-)
[01:05] <elvirolo> ah yeah you're right :)
[01:17] <vrln> I think I found a serious bug in sudo @ breezy (updated ~1 hour ago), should I file it or can I just say it here? I don't have a bugzilla account
[01:18] <vrln> vrln@core:~$ sudo echo "opt/e17/lib" >> /etc/ld.so.conf
[01:18] <vrln> bash: /etc/ld.so.conf: Permission denied
[01:18] <vrln> --> the ">>" isn't working perhaps?
[01:18] <vrln> I can sudo nano /etc/ld.so.conf and edit it manually
[01:18] <vrln> and the permissions for /etc/ld.so.conf are ok
[01:20] <Lathiat> vrln: that is not a bug
[01:20] <Lathiat> vrln: the redirection is done by your shell
[01:20] <Lathiat> vrln: as such runs outside the sudo
[01:20] <vrln> ehm, sorry, so it's bash related instead? :)
[01:21] <vrln> I don't see anything wrong with the syntax though
[01:23] <\sh> vrln: use tee ,-)
[01:24] <Lathiat> vrln: its not a bug at all
[01:24] <\sh> vrln: echo "opt/e17/lib" | sudo tee -a /etc/ld.so.conf
[01:25] <vrln> ok, sorry - and nevermind :)
[01:35] <tseng> ajmitch: nope.
[01:35] <tseng> ajmitch: 1.0.7->1.1.9
[01:38] <ajmitch> tseng: right, I built avahi 0.5 without monodoc support anyway
[01:38] <tseng> ajmitch: nod
[01:39] <tseng> new monodoc would be a pretty serious repackage
[01:39] <ajmitch> so we'll have a new libavahi-cil in soon ,I guess
[01:39] <ajmitch> yeah
[01:39] <tseng> stuff was split into a seperate package
[01:39] <tseng> we cant do it.
[01:39] <ajmitch> I wasn't expecting it in breezy
[01:39] <tseng> rock on
[01:40] <Lathiat> ajmitch: have you got me a patch i can send to ross yet? :)
[01:41] <ajmitch> Lathiat: if you really really want
[01:41] <\sh> mjg59: http://www.flybook.biz/en/?section=generic&page=flybook <- something for your notebook collection? ,-)
[01:41] <ajmitch> but the debdiff would include the 0.4->0.5 code changes
[01:41] <Lathiat> ajmitch: why wouldnt i want it?
[01:41] <ajmitch> unless I just diff the debian dirs
[01:41] <Lathiat> ajmitch: cant you just diff the debian dirs
[01:44] <infinity> debdiff *dsc | filterdiff -i */debian/* > 0.4-0.5.debdiff
[01:45] <infinity> (If you don't want to diff the twon unpackaged trees by hand)
[01:47] <ajmitch> infinity: thanks :)
[01:47] <fabbione> hey guys
[01:47] <fabbione> who is fluent in "SQL"?
[01:47] <fabbione> i need help for a couple of query...
[01:48] <tseng> fabbione: i can help you with the basics
[01:49] <tseng> fabbione: no crazy view/subselect whatever is the rage now
[01:49] <fabbione> tseng: i need nothing too fancy
[01:49] <tseng> great.
[01:49] <fabbione> it seems that all my sql tables contains tons of duplicate entries
[01:49] <fabbione> note that i did a dump -> import
[01:49] <fabbione> so that might have gone wrong
[01:49] <fabbione> so i would like to kill all the duplicates
[01:50] <infinity> Good argument for having unique keys. :)
[01:50] <fabbione> infinity: i am not a SQL god..
[01:50] <tseng> http://www.petefreitag.com/item/169.cfm < google wins
[01:51] <infinity> fabbione : Are the rows identical (ie: yo udon't even have an auto_increment ID tag or something?)
[01:51] <tseng> http://www.sql-server-performance.com/rd_delete_duplicates.asp
[01:52] <infinity> If the rows are completely identical, there's no way to identify one from another, so there's no way to delete one without deleting both.
[01:52] <fabbione> infinity: they look perfectly identical
[01:52] <fabbione> or it looks like
[01:52] <tseng> oh, ew
[01:52] <tseng> is it an option to drop the db and import again?
[01:52] <infinity> In that case, you want a query that will collapse identical rows, then dump the whole table into a temp table.
[01:52] <fabbione> tseng: yes it is
[01:53] <infinity> Then turn around and rotate your temp table back over your original.
[01:53] <fabbione> infinity: i can do that.. it's no issue..
[01:53] <fabbione> infinity: i just need to figure how :)
[01:53] <infinity> Which SQL engine?
[01:54] <fabbione> mysql
[01:54] <tseng> add each item to a keyed array with the most unique field?
[01:54] <tseng> so you overwrite the block w/ each duplicate
[01:54] <fabbione> you guys talk already too complicate for me
[01:55] <tseng> if you do a select on the table, and do a foreach on every row
[01:55] <tseng> say there is a field 'joe@blah.com' that is "unique"
[01:55] <tseng> make an array from each row with array['joe@blah.com'] 
[01:55] <fabbione> that should be unique
[01:56] <tseng> and all the data
[01:56] <fabbione> and now it's duplicated
[01:56] <tseng> then
[01:56] <tseng> the next time you see joe@blah
[01:56] <fabbione> i skip it
[01:56] <tseng> it just overwrites that bit of the array with no data
[01:56] <tseng> sure, or check for that row and skip it
[01:56] <tseng> "row" being array item
[01:56] <fabbione> there is always data.. where there is duplication, the entire row is duplicated
[01:57] <fabbione> i wonder if i could do that with grep...
[01:57] <tseng> s/no data/the same data
[01:57] <tseng> you coul do it with | sort | uniq if you have a way to put the output back in the table
[01:57] <fabbione> sure..
[01:57] <fabbione> dump/restore?
[01:58] <tseng> hm yeah i bet the rows in the .sql do look the same
[01:58] <tseng> but the sort will screw things up
[01:58] <fabbione> we will know in a few secs :)
[01:58] <tseng> if you get the table header below the body :P
[01:58] <mjg59> jbailey: Argh.
[01:59] <infinity> NO need to sort, if you have uniq.
[01:59] <tseng> oh yeah?
[01:59] <tseng> for some reason i thought uniq required sorted input
[02:00] <tseng> thats handy
[02:00] <tseng> or, it does and his file will already be in that kind of order
[02:00] <fabbione> tseng: in both cases it is not an issue..
[02:00] <tseng>        Discard  all but one of successive identical lines from INPUT (or stan
[02:00] <tseng>        dard input), writing to OUTPUT (or standard output).
[02:00] <fabbione> the table creation is 20 lines..
[02:00] <fabbione> anc i can copy paste them
[02:00] <tseng> good :)
[02:01] <infinity> I don't think I've ever had a table without a unique constraint on at least one column.
[02:02] <tseng> i should learn some more clever sql trickery, i usually do simple stuff in sql and let my programs sort the rest
[02:02] <tseng> usually faster for the db to do it
[02:04] <infinity> Oh, duh.  It's been too long since I've done SQL.
[02:05] <infinity> select distinct * from test;
[02:05] <tseng> (oh yeah...)
[02:05] <infinity> I feel very incredibly lame for not remembering that.
[02:05] <tseng> infinity: we suck.
[02:05] <infinity> Oh well, my excuse is that I've been SQL-free for quite a while now.
[02:05] <fabbione> ehehe
[02:05] <infinity> (And hope to continue that trend, professionally)
[02:05] <fabbione> dump | sort -u | reimport is a good alternatice
[02:06] <fabbione> alternative even
[02:06] <fabbione> well it seems to be working fine
[02:07] <\sh> infinity: deal first with ace ;) 
[02:07] <infinity> \sh : I saw something up there about you messing with it.  Did you give up again?
[02:08] <\sh> infinity: the patch is crap
[02:08] <infinity> Right. :)
[02:08] <\sh> but if you want...I can send it to you ;)
[02:08] <infinity> What was it a patch to do?
[02:09] <\sh> this patch disables -fvisibility-inlines-hidden for amd64 and powerpc
[02:09] <infinity> Compile the libs with -fPIC?
[02:09] <\sh> but
[02:09] <\sh> 00list looks like this
[02:09] <\sh> #if defined(DEB_BUILD_ARCH_amd64) || defined(DEB_BUILD_ARCH_powerpc)
[02:09] <\sh> /* this patch disables -fvisibility-inlines-hidden for amd64 and powerpc */
[02:09] <\sh> 93-compiler-options-for-noni386
[02:09] <\sh> #endif
[02:09] <\sh> but it doesn't apply correctly :( 
[02:10] <infinity> Ahh, I see, it is compiled with -fPIC, but g++ is doing Really Bad Thngs.
[02:10] <infinity> Well, send me your patch, and I'll let you know what you did wrong. :)
[02:11] <fabbione> thanks guys!
[02:11] <fabbione> you rock
[02:11] <\sh> infinity: it's bmonties ;)
[02:11] <infinity> Well, whoever. :)
[02:12] <infinity> -e 's/your patch/the patch you have/' -e 's/you did wrong/they did wrong/'
[02:12] <\sh> infinity: dcc or mail?
[02:13] <infinity> Mail.
[02:13] <\sh> on its way
[02:14] <infinity> People still DCC in today's age of triple-NATs and fascist firewalls?
[02:14] <\sh> infinity: we can use as well jabber bytestream proxy ;)
[02:15] <tseng> infinity: my facist firewall is no match to ssh tunnels over port 443 authenticated to the proxy
[02:16] <\sh> and what firewall can prevent xmlrpc bugs :(
[02:17] <Kaloz> fabbione: around?
[02:17] <Kaloz> fabbione: do you know about any problems regarding silo with 1gb memory? :p
[02:18] <fabbione> Kaloz: hmm what problem do you have?
[02:19] <Kaloz> fabbione: well, with 1gb memory, the boot cds give me "Fast Access MMU Miss" after "S" of SILO
[02:19] <fabbione> Kaloz: and if you leave 512Mb does it boot?
[02:19] <Kaloz> both you hoary installer (silo 1.4.8) and sarge's (1.4.9)
[02:19] <Kaloz> yep
[02:19] <Kaloz> this is on a netra t1 105
[02:20] <fabbione> Kaloz: we should ask BenC
[02:20] <Kaloz> slowaris 10 works perfectly, but i hate it :p
[02:20] <fabbione> he is one of the silo upstream authors
[02:21] <fabbione> Kaloz: but i never had this problem
[02:21] <fabbione> well in older versions of silo i did boot on a E10000K with 32GB of RAM
[02:21] <Kaloz> as I saw almost everyone is running his 105 with 512 ram only
[02:21] <fabbione> so i am not exactly sure how 1GB exactly can make that problem
[02:21] <Kaloz> maybe it's t1 specific
[02:21] <fabbione> i do have only 512MB here on the Netra T1
[02:23] <Kaloz> well, i know it works on a 420r with 2gb of memory
[02:23] <Kaloz> so it has to be smg with the netra only
[02:23] <fabbione> Kaloz: i really dunno...
[02:23] <fabbione> BenC: ping?
[02:29] <Kaloz> fabbione: hmz.. okay, same after obp upgrade (3.10.24 -> 3.10.27), so that doesn't helps
[02:34] <fabbione> Kaloz: we need to ask BenC
[02:34] <Kaloz> i see, just wanted to say i've just tried that, too :)
[02:42] <bddebian> Hmm, what does uploads to main are flowing again mean?
[02:47] <HiddenWolf> bddebian, bugfixing again in progress.
[02:47] <HiddenWolf> bddebian, after stopping everything to fix preview-critical bugs a bit before it's release
[02:47] <fabbione> Kaloz: that's nice :) for breezy we might have even install CD's
[02:47] <fabbione> Kaloz: we published one, but it doesn't boot yet
[02:48] <Kaloz> :)
[02:48] <Kaloz> to be honest, it would be nice to fix this CHS crap d-i intrioduced
[02:48] <bddebian> HiddenWolf: Can that include fixing my screwups? :-)
[02:48] <Kaloz> with the old woody, partitions were detected right on sparc
[02:49] <HiddenWolf> bddebian, chuckle
[02:50] <spayne> why are there now two screensaver properties in GNOME 2.12?
[02:50] <spayne> there is xscreensaver (nicer imho)
[02:50] <spayne> and gnome screensaver
[02:50] <spayne> well, gnome screensaver is actually nicer thinking about it
[02:51] <spayne> since it passwords it automatically
[02:51] <spayne> will one of them be removed?
[02:52] <jdub> yes
[02:52] <jdub> just remove the xscreensaver package
[02:52] <mdke> is that going to be the solution for breezy?
[02:53] <jdub> it's in at the moment
[02:53] <spayne> but it will be removed at some point?
[02:53] <infinity> \sh : Uploaded, BTW.
[02:53] <jdub> spayne: no, we're going to leave it in to confuse all of the users
[02:53] <spayne> and the age old question, will the gnome foot be replaced by the ubuntu logo?
[02:53] <spayne> jdub: good thinking ;-)
[02:53] <jdub> the applications menu one will if the human icon theme becomes the default
[02:54] <jdub> (or we may do it anyway)
[02:54] <spayne> nice
[02:54] <infinity> \sh : For future reference, using CPP preprocessing in 00list doesn't work unless you enable dpatch's optional CPP parsing. :)  (DPATCH_OPTION_CPP=1 in debian/patches/00options)
[02:54] <bddebian> infinity: Can I ask what is probably a dumb question?
[02:54] <spayne> jdub: from my experience, most people seem to do it anyway
[02:54] <infinity> bddebian : I suppose.
[02:54] <jdub> spayne: this word, "most"... i do not think this word means what you think it means.
[02:54] <mdke> jdub, i have a quick question about the recent menu changes
[02:55] <jdub> mdke: ja?
[02:55] <bddebian> infinity: sawfish-xmms is supposed to be built from rep-xmms source.  Building here locally works and the deb installs but it's not showing up in the archive.  How would I check that out?
[02:55] <spayne> jdub: i personally love the Human theme, what is the chance of it becoming default for breezy?
[02:55] <mdke> jdub, is there going to be discussion at UBZ to try to ensure that they happen a bit earlier, rather than very late?
[02:55] <mdke> we are struggling a bit with the docs
[02:55] <jdub> spayne: not wildly fantastic atm. but we'll see.
[02:55] <jdub> mdke: yes, i'm going to pitch for a ui review two weeks before preview freeze.
[02:56] <mdke> jdub, that would be good
[02:56] <mdke> mark gets a lot of ideas right at the last minute :D
[02:57] <jdub> dunno if a "mark's bright ideas" freeze is going to fly
[02:58] <bddebian> Heh
[02:58] <mdke> :)
[02:58] <bddebian> infinity: I take it that was a dumb question? :-)
[02:59] <infinity> bddebian : Check the build logs, notice that rockhopper (the i386 buildd) was configure to to arch-only uploads back in 2004, when the package last build, go "oh, that's weird", then upload a new 0.4-4build1 with no changes, so the i386 buildd will now upload the arch:all sawfish-xmms package you want.
[02:59] <infinity> bddebian : And then wait for someone to process it in binary NEW.
[02:59] <bddebian> infinity: Great thanks.  I was gonna try that but wasn't sure.
[02:59] <\sh> infinity: thx :) 
[03:01] <\sh> infinity: so u can remove dbbalancer as well from the frozenapps list ;)
[03:01] <infinity> bddebian : For future reference, arch"all packages are always supposed to be built on i386 (and only on i386), so if you check the i386 build log, and see "arch-dependent upload, not including arch-indep packages" (or whatever), and the .changes in the build log doesn't include the _all.deb, you know something went horribly wrong.
[03:01] <infinity> bddebian : If it's a recent build log, yell at me (but it should never happen now), if it's an ancient build log (as in this case), just push a rebuild.
[03:01] <infinity> \sh : Once ace build and installs everywhere, yes.  It takes a while to build. :)
[03:01] <bddebian> infinity: OK, thanks.
[03:01] <\sh> infinity: actually it's finished...argl....w8
[03:02] <infinity> Uh.
[03:02] <infinity> Finished?
[03:02] <\sh> that reminds me of something
[03:03] <\sh> infinity: cxx transition
[03:03] <\sh> libace5.4c2 libacexml5.4c2 libciao1.4c2 libkokyu5.4c2
[03:04] <\sh> I think I have to do it after it's build ;)
[03:04] <infinity> Yeah, it'll be a while.
[03:05] <infinity> The builds will start in the next 15 mins, I figure they'll all be done and installed in another 2 hours or so.
[03:06] <bddebian> OK, so the next question is what to do about my wesnoth fuck up.. :-(
[03:06] <infinity> The "I synced a version that's too new" fuckup?
[03:07] <\sh> infinity: want to have another one? http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=11387
[03:07] <bddebian> infinity: Yep, that'd be the one
[03:07] <infinity> Did it build?
[03:07] <infinity> If not, you may be able to bed elmo to UNACCEPT the source.
[03:08] <infinity> If it did, you're better off uploading a package with a really ugly version like "0.9.7-1+really0.oldversion" that is the old version, masquerading as "slightly newer than the new one you uploaded".
[03:08] <bddebian> infinity: Yes.  The problem is is that it has a depends for ttf-dejavu, which could be a new package, but ttf-dejavu depends on a newer fontforge which is in main.
[03:09] <infinity> See, for instance, firefox in warty for an example of this kind of ugly.
[03:09] <infinity> Either that, or make ttf-dejavu work with the fontforge in main.
[03:09] <infinity> OR, justify a UVF exception for fontforge, if it's not a massive upgrade.
[03:10] <bddebian> I don't think it is.  It only has 3 rdepends, one of which it builds itself
[03:11] <jdub> elmo: ping
[03:11] <infinity> Then talk to mdz about it.  Test the new version first, including testing the rdepends, and take that info to him.
[03:11] <infinity> And make sure the debian BTS doesn't have any new bugs against the new version.
[03:11] <bddebian> infinity: Fair enough, thanks
[03:31] <SteveA> Kamion: ping?
[03:35] <slomo> elmo: ping?
[03:36] <SteveA> can anyone tell me which key is used to sign md5sums of CD images?
[03:41] <Mithrandir> SteveA: gpg: Signature made lr 17-09-2005 10:26:50 CEST using DSA key ID FBB75451
[03:41] <SteveA> ah -- how did you get that?
[03:42] <Mithrandir> wget http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/current/MD5SUMS.gpg -O -  | gpg
[03:42] <SteveA> would be nice if the "releases" page gave the fingerprint or key id
[03:42] <Mithrandir> yeah
[03:42] <Mithrandir> file a bug, I guess.
[03:43] <SteveA> willdo
[03:43] <SteveA> cheers
[04:55] <Mez> who is Wouter Stomp?
[05:21] <jdub> whiprush: ping
[06:55] <tseng> jdub: YARRRRR
[06:56] <jdub> tseng: AHR!
[07:17] <spayne> hmm, gnome-obex-server is crashing on me
[07:17] <spayne> giving me a libc6 error
[07:19] <spayne> *** glibc detected *** double free or corruption (!prev): 0x080ead80 ***
[07:19] <spayne> what does that mean?
[07:19] <bob2> it's bug-e
[07:20] <spayne> bug-e?
[07:20] <bob2> it's ab ug
[07:20] <bob2> er, "A bug"
[07:21] <spayne> i somehow guessed that
[07:21] <bob2> it's a bug in gnome-obex-server, where, as it says, it's freeing the same bit of memory twice, or it corrupted it's own heap
[07:22] <bob2> valgrind will probably help with debugging it
[07:22] <spayne> is there any way around it?
[07:22] <spayne> i will do that
[07:22] <spayne> but atm, what can i do?
[07:22] <bob2> not use it?
[07:22] <bob2> or find a workaround
[07:22] <spayne> i am trying
[07:23] <spayne> obexserver also fails
[07:25] <\sh> doko_: ping 
[07:25] <spayne> i am building 0.5.1 from tarballs
[07:57] <eruin> Lathiat, got any ~eta on avahi 0.5?
[08:28] <Mithrandir> ogra: ew, gnome-screensaver looks _horrible_ in xinerama setups
[08:29] <ogra> Mithrandir, inwhich respect ?
[08:29] <Mithrandir> ogra: the dialog is in the middle of two screens
[08:30] <Mithrandir> ogra: want a picture?
[08:30] <ogra> ok, thats what i expected... its complied without xinerama support, i'll correct that in the next upload... 
[08:30] <\sh> Mithrandir: winndows behaviour ;-)
[08:30] <ogra> i just wanted someone to confirm that
[08:30] <ogra> Mithrandir, thanks for now
[08:30] <Mithrandir> ogra: ok, good
[08:30] <ogra> i'll ping again after the next upload ;)
[08:31] <\sh> ogra: what did u do...we will have cdu+spd ,)
[08:31] <ogra> not my choice..
[08:32] <ogra> and no final numbers, wait ... ;)
[08:33] <shackan> why if a program crashes and I chose 'close' instead than 'restart', the program is restarted anyway ? this leads often to (boring) infinite loops
[08:34] <ogra> shackan, #ubuntu please
[08:34] <shackan> k
[08:45] <sivang> mjg59: ping, you around ?
[08:57] <bddebian> Hi folks
[08:57] <Kaloz> fabbione, BenC: re. from hdd, silo works happily with 1gb ram. so it has to do smg with silo vs isofs
[08:59] <bddebian> mdz: You around?
[09:20] <shackan> your nautilus-python seems buggy, the latest cvs works fine, is there any chance to update it ?
[09:23] <sivang> hey bddebian 
[09:24] <bddebian> Heya sivang 
[09:24] <sivang> bddebian: what are you up to?
[09:24] <sivang> ;-)
[09:24] <bddebian> Breaking stuff :-(  You?
[09:24] <sivang> bddebian: the same, I have a prbolem with gnome-panel and cdbs-edit-patch that is a PITA
[09:25] <sivang> bddebian: I am trying to edit the 12_autotools patch, but to no avail - moreover the weirdest thing is the when I edit each patch befpore that one it works, and even when I attempt debuild -us it, it works as well
[09:25] <sivang> only cdbed-edit-patch gets angry
[09:25] <sivang> and this is with a prestine ubuntu source pkg :-)
[09:26] <sivang> any idea?
[09:27] <bddebian> I'm probably the wrong person to ask at this point in the game :-)
[09:30] <adamh> When I try booting to a USB device (with usb-storage), I get a complaint that /dev/sda1 doesn't exist, and then I'm dumped to a busybox shell. If I "modprobe sd-mod" and run "udevstart", I can create /dev/sda1. As far as I can tell, that's my only problem with booting from USB. What files do I edit to make my system boot? :)
[09:33] <sivang> bddebian: I see, anyway, what were you breaking if we speak ?
[09:34] <bddebian> sivang: wesnoth
[09:34] <sivang> bddebian: /me apt-cache show info
[09:35] <sivang> bddebian: nice, what p[roblem do you have with it?
[09:36] <sivang> bddebian: (may I try to help?)
[09:36] <bddebian> sivang: I asked for a sync of a new version (first mistake) and didn't catch the depends on ttf-dejavu which needs a newer fontforge, which is in main (biggest mistake). :-(
[09:36] <bddebian> sivang: I have a "fix" thanks, I just need to catch mdz or someone
[09:37] <sivang> bddebian: so you need someone from main to sync in a new version ?
[09:38] <bddebian> sivang: Of fontforge yes but I need approval
[09:39] <adamh> So, anybody know how to boot from USB flash? Or how to reorder udevstart, sd-mod loading, or anything else I could have done wrong?
[10:02] <mdz> bddebian: yes?
[10:03] <bddebian> mdz: I made a major boo boo and was hoping we could sync the latest fontforge from Debian
[10:06] <bddebian> I have tested it as well as rebuilding all the rdepends.
[10:07] <Mithrandir> bddebian: why does it need a newer fontforge to get ttf-dejavu, really?
[10:08] <bddebian> Mithrandir: I don't know specifically but there is a BTS bug on it as well
[10:09] <bddebian> What's a little strange is that I don't see anything in main that redepends on fontforge
[10:09] <bddebian> Err rdepends even :-)
[10:09] <sivang> Mithrandir: maybe you can help me as well? I have some gnome-panel fix I need to do but cdbs-edit-path just won't let me do it, and I Sense there is something wrong with the source pkg due to that
[10:11] <Mithrandir> sivang: hmm, that might be; is it something I could take a look at, or is it a more complicated patch?
[10:12] <sivang> Mithrandir: now , couldn't be more trivial then that - and you can test it with my patch using the source pkg from the repo
[10:12] <sivang> s/now/no/
[10:12] <sivang> Mithrandir: apt-get source gnome-panel; cd srctree; cdbs-edit-patch 12_autotools and see how it fails
[10:13] <Mithrandir> sivang: can you send me a mail about it then?  I'm off to bed soonish and would rather do uploads when I'm awake :-)
[10:13] <mdz> bddebian: germinate will show you what depends on it
[10:13] <mdz> bddebian: what's the bug?
[10:14] <sivang> Mithrandir: sure think , I thank you very much for your help
[10:14] <sivang> Mithrandir: remind me your email address? :-)
[10:15] <Mithrandir> tfheen@ubuntu.com
[10:15] <sivang> Mithrandir: cool, thanks
[10:15] <magnon> has anyone ever found _the_ solution to openoffice being a bitch, by the way?
[10:15] <Mithrandir> thanks to you too.
[10:15] <sivang> Mithrandir: about what?? ;-)
[10:16] <Mithrandir> sivang: I appreciate it when people submit fixes for problems. :-)
[10:16] <sivang> Mithrandir: ah well, I acutally somewhat created the problem....and it's only my responsibility to fix it and not let someone else to do it.
[10:17] <sivang> Mithrandir: I had the idea that launchapd should pop to the user out of any applet , not just the gnome-panel, but it seems that most people think it should be only for the panle itself as it clutters the some of the applets menus.
[10:18] <sivang> Mithrandir: so my change is to drop individual patching of the applets, and leave lpi on for only the panle itself/
[10:18] <Mithrandir> sivang: ah, sounds fine.
[10:24] <bddebian> Ohh, its a build-dep for ttf-freefont
[10:25] <bddebian> mdz: ^^  Oh and which bug?  You mean the ttf-dejavu one?
[10:25] <mdz> bddebian: the bug which you need the newer fontforge to fix
[10:26] <bddebian> mdz: Oh, I asked for a sync of wesnoth (like an idiot).  It needs ttf-dejavu which build-deps on the newer fontforge.
[10:27] <mdz> it's a new upstream, it hasn't made it into testing yet, and things in main build-depend on it
[10:27] <bddebian> Which, fontforge?
[10:28] <Mithrandir> I would rather say we should roll back wesnoth
[10:28] <bddebian> Would it hurt to try ttf-dejavu with the older fontforge?
[10:29] <sladen> or just distribute a pre-compiled .ttf in the ttf-dejavu source
[10:35] <magnon> man, people STILL bother ranting about utf-8
[10:49] <bddebian> Any thoughts folks??
[10:51] <mdz> bddebian: it wouldn't hurt to try, but presumably the maintainer  versioned the dependency for a reason.  the changelog probably has details.
[10:51] <mdz> reverting wesnoth may be the best option
[11:01] <bddebian> pitti: !!
[11:04] <bddebian> pitti: I was trying to package libpgtcl but the site says it was built for postgresql 7.4.. :-(
[11:04] <Lathiat> bddebian: .. ?
[11:05] <bddebian> Lathiat: ??
[11:06] <bddebian> mdz: Nope, it won't build with the older fontforge.  FuXX0r
[11:09] <shackan> sorry, when reporting a bug on lauchpad, I use the package name in the "Source Package Name" field, but it insists that 'python-nautilus' is an invalid value, why ?
[11:09] <shackan> what format does it expect?
[11:18] <robertj> hrmm, has anyone heard from the UbuntuExpress folk recently?  The last mention I can find was on the 6th.
[11:52] <CarlFK> can someone name a package that might let a user create a dialup connection.  If I can't get it to work, it will be the package I file a bug report against, even if that just results in some other package being named
[11:53] <CarlFK> the mail list pointed me to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NetworkMagic but I don't see how that fits
[11:54] <Lathiat> CarlFK: system->administration->networking
[11:54] <CarlFK> Lathiat - sorry, I forogt: user as in no root/sudo privs
[11:55] <Lathiat> CarlFK: uh no, you could however modify sudoers to say, allow only execution of that command (network-admin)
[11:56] <CarlFK> right. which I have heard is "bad" in the big picture and was trying to get this item into the to be fixed list
[11:57] <Lathiat> grrrrrrrr, i thought the ubuntu-forums ubuntu-devel forum was read only