[08:11] <Burglaptop> bon soir, robitaille 
[08:12] <robitaille> hello Burglaptop 
[08:12] <Burglaptop> NM works!
[09:03] <Burglaptop> robitaille, are we an approved loco team (ca)
[09:03] <robitaille> Burglaptop,  I don't think so.    
[09:04] <Burglaptop> robitaille, what needs to happen for that?
[09:04] <robitaille> an approved team is one that appears to be a team, at least according to an email from Matthias a few weeks back.  Until now, I don't think we have done enough to reach that goal.
[09:05] <robitaille> once a team seems to be a "real" team, then he moves you up in the loco wiki page
[09:06] <robitaille> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoTeamList
[09:06] <robitaille> personally I don't disagree with that conclusion based on our activities in recent months
[09:09] <Burglaptop> robitaille, parsing through LocoTeam, it is a good read
[09:10] <robitaille> by the way, you are on their mailing list yet?  loco-contacts@lists.ubuntu.com
[09:10] <Burglaptop> will be soon
[09:11] <Burglaptop> am now
[09:12] <robitaille> oh maybe it wan't an email, but a comment in  an old CC meeting... 
[09:12] <robitaille> s/wan't/wasn't
[09:12] <robitaille> do we keep dates of old CC meetings somewhere on the wiki?
[09:12] <Burglaptop> I will follow up on the Ubuntu Love Day at UBZ tomorrow
[09:13] <Burglaptop> ouch, that is a lot of old log parsing
[09:16] <Burglaptop> anyway, I have to sleep now
[09:16] <Burglaptop> night
[09:18] <robitaille> Burglaptop,  still here?
[09:19] <robitaille> I'll send you an email
[12:20] <mdke> morn
[02:44] <mdke> hey jsgotangco 
[02:44] <jsgotangco> hey
[02:45] <mdke> damn that change of terminal
[02:45] <jsgotangco> yes
[02:45] <mdke> i think we should fix it
[02:45] <jsgotangco> along with the relocation of Add Applications
[02:45] <mdke> you?
[02:45] <jsgotangco> i have no idea how may strings are affected
[02:45] <mdke> we had warning of those from sabdfl before they made the changes, he asked in case they affected docs
[02:46] <jsgotangco> oh right
[02:46] <jsgotangco> damn my reply
[02:46] <jsgotangco> please correct me
[02:46] <mdke> i dunno how many strings are affected either
[02:46] <mdke> probably loads
[02:48] <mdke> jsgotangco, so are we going to fix about-ubuntu?
[02:48] <mdke> it is quite a serious error IMO
[02:49] <jsgotangco> it has been an error since warty
[02:49] <mdke> it is very ugly right now
[02:49] <jsgotangco> yes because its so big
[02:50] <jsgotangco> but if we use a small image, its uglier
[02:50] <mdke> is there no way to put it outside the title?
[02:50] <jsgotangco> i tried it putting on subtitle but i got errors
[02:50] <mdke> maybe even after the subtitle?
[02:51] <jsgotangco> yes that's the only way to go if we still include the logo
[02:51] <mdke> let me see how it looks
[02:51] <mdke> what tag is needed to put it after the subtitle?
[02:51] <jsgotangco> haven't you noticed all docs in yelp don't have an image on the front/title
[02:51] <mdke> i don't look at yelp a lot ;)
[02:52] <jsgotangco> lol
[02:52] <mdke> it might be that the best solution is to remove the image
[02:52] <jsgotangco> let me check my wc
[02:52] <jsgotangco> i'd move for removal
[02:52] <mdke> ok i'm happy with that
[02:52] <jsgotangco> it doesn't affect the overall doc content just the look
[02:53] <mdke> shall we remove it and post to the list?
[02:53] <mdke> if there are objections we can revoke
[02:54] <jsgotangco> gimme a minute heh i'm booting up my other laptop and look at the wc
[02:54] <jsgotangco> i should probably email shaun m and ask his opinon about this
[02:55] <mdke> y?
[02:55] <jsgotangco> for future fixes =)
[02:56] <jsgotangco> make the caption become the navigation tag =)
[02:56] <mdke> ah not sure
[02:56] <mdke> so what shall we do?
[02:56] <jsgotangco> because if you notice in yelp, the caption appeared on the side
[02:56] <jsgotangco> but not at the bottom navigation
[02:59] <jsgotangco> ahhh
[02:59] <jsgotangco> i got it
[02:59] <jsgotangco> it looks better
[02:59] <mdke> ok
[02:59] <mdke> upload?
[03:00] <jsgotangco> i can't my networks not even running because of the lack of internet
[03:00] <jsgotangco> im on a phone line
[03:00] <jsgotangco> mdke: just move the whole <inlinemediaobject> block from <title> to <subtitle>
[03:00] <mdke> ok
[03:01] <jsgotangco> and enclose the string "About Ubuntu" inside <title>
[03:01] <jsgotangco> the image becomes the subtitle
[03:01] <mdke> so, <title>About Ubuntu</title>?
[03:01] <jsgotangco> yes
[03:02] <mdke> and <subtitle>Welcome to Ubuntu <image stuff></subtitle>?
[03:02] <mdke> or remove the subtitle text?
[03:02] <jsgotangco> remove the string
[03:02] <jsgotangco> it doesn't need one anymore
[03:02] <jsgotangco> because of the caption
[03:02] <jsgotangco> if there is no image the caption is shown
[03:02] <mdke> ok pasting in here
[03:02] <mdke>     <title>About Ubuntu</title>
[03:02] <mdke> 	<subtitle>
[03:02] <mdke>         <inlinemediaobject>
[03:02] <mdke>             <imageobject>
[03:02] <mdke>                 <imagedata fileref="../../images/&language;/UbuntuLogo.png" format="PNG"/>
[03:02] <mdke>             </imageobject>
[03:02] <mdke>         </inlinemediaobject>
[03:02] <mdke> 	</subtitle>
[03:02] <mdke> which caption?
[03:03] <jsgotangco> there's no <caption>?
[03:03] <mdke> no i don't see one
[03:03] <jsgotangco> strange my source has one
[03:03] <jsgotangco> its supposed to be under <imageobject>
[03:03] <mdke> i'm in branches/breezy
[03:03] <jsgotangco> ah right
[03:03] <jsgotangco> hrmmm
[03:03] <mdke> maybe you put it in your wc
[03:03] <jsgotangco> this is a terribly old copy
[03:03] <mdke> ok gimme the caption
[03:04] <jsgotangco> ok just put <caption>Ubuntu Logo</caption>
[03:04] <mdke> where?
[03:04] <jsgotangco> after </imageobject>
[03:04] <mdke> k
[03:05] <jsgotangco> i'll co branch tommorow when the phone company fixes my line
[03:05] <mdke> it doesn't validate
[03:05] <jsgotangco> gyahh
[03:06] <mdke> this is what I have:
[03:06] <mdke> (pasting)
[03:06] <mdke>     <title>About Ubuntu</title>
[03:06] <mdke> 	<subtitle>
[03:06] <mdke>         <inlinemediaobject>
[03:06] <mdke>             <imageobject>
[03:06] <mdke>                 <imagedata fileref="../../images/&language;/UbuntuLogo.png" format="PNG"/>
[03:06] <mdke>             </imageobject>
[03:06] <mdke> 		<caption>Ubuntu Logo</caption>
[03:06] <mdke>         </inlinemediaobject>
[03:06] <mdke> 	</subtitle>
[03:06] <jsgotangco> i guess it does not follow the DTD
[03:06] <mdke> it doesn't like it
[03:06] <jsgotangco> yeah
[03:06] <mdke> let's scrap the image
[03:06] <jsgotangco> there's not supposed to be an image on subtitle
[03:07] <jsgotangco> but it'll open in yelp hehehe
[03:07] <jsgotangco> how crackful can you get
[03:08] <mdke> removing the image works for me
[03:08] <mdke> what do you think?
[03:08] <jsgotangco> eeekkk the other method is uglier, lets just scrap the image
[03:08] <jsgotangco> ive tried putting it in the body
[03:08] <jsgotangco> horrible
[03:09] <mdke> how come the second page has the title on it, but the third doesn't?
[03:09] <jsgotangco> should be
[03:09] <jsgotangco> Welcome to Ubuntu
[03:10] <mdke> nope
[03:10] <jsgotangco> 1. Welcome to Ubuntu
[03:10] <jsgotangco> 2. Participate in Ubuntu
[03:10] <jsgotangco> 3. Core Components
[03:10] <mdke> i mean
[03:11] <mdke> the first two pages have the title of the whole document on
[03:11] <mdke> the third doesn't
[03:11] <mdke> hence the image was on the first and second pages, but not the third
[03:12] <jsgotangco> what the heck
[03:13] <mdke> so what are we gonna do, remove the image?
[03:13] <jsgotangco> yeah
[03:13] <jsgotangco> it'll fix everything
[03:14] <mdke> it will also mean that the firefox home page will not have the image
[03:14] <mdke> jdub, any thoughts on this? we have an issue with about-ubuntu.xml such that yelp can't show the document properly unless we remove the image
[03:14] <mdke> if we remove the image, yelp is happy and it looks fine
[03:14] <mdke> is that a problem for the firefox homepage?
[03:17] <jdub> hrm, why does the image break in yelp?
[03:19] <mdke> because it is in the document title, and so it shows on the second page too, and looks silly
[03:19] <mdke> actually I might have a solution
[03:19] <mdke> jsgotangco, how about putting the image in the first paragraph of the first page?
[03:19] <jsgotangco> it doesn't look nice
[03:20] <mdke> like this:
[03:20] <mdke> http://mdke.org/au.png
[03:20] <jsgotangco> there's a toc at the top of the image
[03:20] <mdke> yes
[03:20] <mdke> the toc is wrong too :/
[03:21] <mdke> the first page doesn't have a <sect1>
[03:21] <mdke> so you think that looks bad?
[03:21] <jsgotangco> it doesnt look bad..just awkward
[03:22] <mdke> ok I have made a <sect1> for the first page now, hang on
[03:26] <mdke> jsgotangco, what about this:
[03:26] <mdke> http://mdke.org/au.png
[03:26] <mdke> http://mdke.org/welcome.png
[03:27] <jsgotangco> err what is About Ubuntu? it now has 4 sections
[03:27] <mdke> 3 sections
[03:27] <mdke> no good?
[03:27] <mdke> that is the only thing I can think of to keep the image
[03:28] <jdub> mdke: welcome.png looks great
[03:28] <jsgotangco> yeah but that's not the first page
[03:28] <jdub> what's on the about ubuntu page?
[03:28] <jsgotangco> that's the second
[03:28] <mdke> jdub, just the toc
[03:28] <jsgotangco> jdub: the toc
[03:28] <jdub> that's pretty icky
[03:28] <mdke> yeah
[03:28] <jsgotangco> yeah
[03:28] <jdub> the first one looked fine
[03:28] <mdke> with the toc above the image?
[03:29] <jsgotangco> yeah that's better than this
[03:29] <mdke> ok lemme get that one back
[03:31] <mdke> ok like this?
[03:31] <mdke> http://mdke.org/au.png
[03:31] <mdke> jdub, jsgotangco ^
[03:32] <jsgotangco> this isn't so bad
[03:32] <jsgotangco> how come About Ubuntu is too small its supposed to be <title>
[03:33] <jsgotangco> must be your resolution
[03:33] <mdke> default breezy install here
[03:33] <mdke> so shall we go with that?
[03:34] <mdke> i'd like to see how the html looks
[03:35] <jsgotangco> pretty bad i'd say
[03:35] <mdke> what package do I need for the stylesheets?
[03:37] <jsgotangco> err docbook-xsl methinks
[03:37] <mdke> alright
[03:37] <mdke> so any thoughts?
[03:37] <mdke> can I commit this version?
[03:38] <jsgotangco> yes please
[03:39] <mdke> done
[03:42] <mdke> damn, the image is missing from the built html
[03:43] <jsgotangco> hrmm
[03:43] <jsgotangco> i gotta switch
[03:43] <jsgotangco> brb
[03:43] <mdke> maybe just a problem with the makefile
[05:45] <segfault> hi
[05:46] <segfault> i generated the html file for aboutubuntu doc, however the "Welcome to Ubuntu" is not translated and it is not in the rosetta template
[05:46] <segfault> it is, however, in the original pot.
[08:02] <mdke> segfault, maybe you didn't do it right
[08:02] <mdke> what language?
[08:03] <mdke> the ones I've downloaded from rosetta and uploaded look ok
[08:37] <segfault> mdke: pt_BR
[08:38] <segfault> brazilian portuguese
[08:40] <segfault> it has 30 strings
[08:40] <segfault> but the original has 31
[08:42] <segfault> well, dunno
[08:42] <segfault> lemme check again
[08:42] <segfault> :P
[08:47] <mdke> segfault, you are probably working on the wrong original
[08:48] <mdke> the correct one is in our breezy branch
[08:52] <segfault> which is not the same in rosetta?
[08:52] <mdke> segfault, erm... you need the original xml document in order to convert the translation to an xml file
[08:52] <mdke> this original is not in rosetta at all
[08:52] <mdke> it is in our repository
[08:53] <mdke> under branches/breezy
[08:54] <segfault> f0ae5a8ba03686fc4be1a87859575167  about-ubuntu.xml
[08:54] <segfault> this one?
[08:54] <mdke> not sure
[08:54] <mdke> where did you find that one?
[08:54] <segfault> svn checkout https://docteam.ubuntu.com/repos/trunk ubuntu-doc
[08:55] <mdke> segfault, no, that is the trunk, the correct file is in branches/breezy
[08:55] <mdke> segfault, don't worry, we will take care of it
[08:55] <segfault> i'll get the repo, thanks anyway
[08:56] <mdke> ok
[08:57] <segfault> so the breezy one is frozen?
[08:58] <mdke> yep
[09:06] <sivang> mdke: ping
[09:06] <sivang> mdke: I saw your message from yesterday, about rtl in yelp?
[10:53] <mdke> sivang, that's right but I don't have a lot of time now, could you mail the author of this email if you know how to help?
[10:53] <mdke> http://mail.gnome.org/archives/gnome-doc-devel-list/2005-September/msg00024.html
[10:53] <mdke> thanks :)