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| jsgotangco | hi miss JaneW | 10:27 |
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| JaneW | hi Mr jsgotangco | 10:49 |
| jsgotangco | JaneW, i've stirred up the natives here over Edubuntu in LinuxWorld | 10:51 |
| JaneW | really? | 10:51 |
| jsgotangco | JaneW, i've been a good ambassador in case you haven't been reasing planet.ubuntu.com | 10:54 |
| jsgotangco | s/reasing/reading | 10:54 |
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| jsgotangco | JaneW, I've always been doing my talk/demos on edubuntu instead of ubuntu | 10:55 |
| JaneW | cool | 10:56 |
| jsgotangco | i gotta go i have an appointment will catch you later | 10:58 |
| jsgotangco | been moving stuff | 10:58 |
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| magnon | woho | 02:12 |
| magnon | just lacking wireless and 3d accel for a perfect ubuntu on powerbook | 02:13 |
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| ogra | yvesC, could you file a bugreport for the gcompris issues, in case i want to update the package to a new upstream version i need to show some user complaints to base my request on | 04:30 |
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| ogra | (in bugzilla, not malone) | 04:31 |
| jelkner | ogra: can i ask you a few questions? | 04:31 |
| ogra | jelkner, sure | 04:31 |
| jelkner | first off, let me introduce Nick Wheeler (spec) | 04:31 |
| ogra | hi Spec | 04:31 |
| Spec | Hello. | 04:31 |
| jelkner | he was the ltsp admin two years ago | 04:31 |
| jelkner | he's here to get "watch teacher" working | 04:32 |
| jelkner | and i wanted him to talk to you first | 04:32 |
| ogra | watch teacher ? | 04:32 |
| jelkner | so that whatever he comes up with will be useful to edubuntu | 04:32 |
| Spec | Watch Teacher is just a system to watch the teacher's desktop | 04:33 |
| ogra | ah | 04:33 |
| Spec | without letting students take over the teacher's (vnc?) server | 04:34 |
| Spec | I'm wondering what the best way to do this is...Xvnc and vncreflector? | 04:34 |
| jelkner | or something else? | 04:34 |
| ogra | i'd do it with vino, so you dont need to install additional software | 04:34 |
| Spec | Vino is VNC for gnome? | 04:35 |
| jelkner | the long term goal would be for edubuntu to have as much of the funtionality of netop as possilbe | 04:36 |
| jelkner | (see http://www.netop.com/netop-8.htm) | 04:37 |
| jelkner | (actually http://www.netop.com/nsch-features gives a list of features) | 04:39 |
| jelkner | right now i'll be happy with what nick setup before | 04:39 |
| jelkner | a way to project a desktop to the class for teaching purposes | 04:40 |
| jelkner | ogra: next question (while nick looks into vino)... at the edubuntu lab we setup at the mount rainier library | 04:44 |
| jelkner | we have two guest accounts that folks will use who walk in (not regulars) | 04:44 |
| jelkner | the librarian wants the guest accounts to either have "locked" desktops | 04:46 |
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| jelkner | or at least set it up so they return to new each time she logs out and then logs in again | 04:46 |
| jelkner | how best to do this? | 04:46 |
| ogra_ | grmpf | 04:47 |
| ogra_ | jelkner, if you said something to me during the last 10 mins you need to repeat it, my DSL dies silently... | 04:47 |
| ogra_ | deid even | 04:47 |
| ogra_ | argh | 04:47 |
| ogra_ | died | 04:47 |
| jelkner | ogra_: where did you leave off? | 04:48 |
| jelkner | i was talking about netop, did you get that? | 04:48 |
| ogra_ | after i explained the gconf stuff fo vino | 04:48 |
| ogra_ | about 10 mins ago | 04:48 |
| ogra_ | nope | 04:48 |
| Spec | you, uhh, didn't :p | 04:49 |
| jelkner | i was saying that the "dream" would be for edubuntu to have as much of the netop functionality as possible. | 04:49 |
| jelkner | see: http://www.netop.com/nsch-features | 04:49 |
| ogra_ | Spec, vino is in the default gnome install, its a implementation of vnc integrated with gnome... | 04:49 |
| jelkner | this is windows only software, but it is really cool what it can do for a classroom lab setting | 04:50 |
| ogra_ | you can see its settings in system->settings->remote desktop | 04:50 |
| Spec | it seems easy enough... | 04:50 |
| Spec | how do I connect to a server though? | 04:50 |
| Spec | localhost.localdomain:0 ? | 04:50 |
| ogra_ | you connect with vncclient to the ip | 04:51 |
| ogra_ | since its ltsp you can adjust user settings on the fly with gconf (even set apassword you delete after the session) | 04:51 |
| ogra_ | jelkner, netop is in fact what SCP will be... | 04:52 |
| Spec | what is SCP? | 04:52 |
| ogra_ | SCP is 90% done but the missing 10% are to essential to have it in breezy | 04:52 |
| ogra_ | in fact a reimplementation of teacher tool with enhancements and a rewritten backend for our new LTSP arch | 04:53 |
| ogra_ | since all the "old" management tools dont work with the eedubuntu ltsp... we simply dont use X | 04:53 |
| ogra_ | its outlined on the edubuntu wiki as TeachersPet | 04:54 |
| Spec | cool | 04:55 |
| ogra | Spec, but it sadly wont make it into this release... | 04:56 |
| ogra | i'll put the code in bazaar around release time, so others can contribute... :) | 04:57 |
| Spec | I notice there isn't any requirement for being able to view any client's desktop... :p | 04:59 |
| ogra | its already implemented | 04:59 |
| ogra | http://www.grawert.net/SCP.png | 04:59 |
| ogra | (thats a very old shot from the early days, the UI already changed a lot | 05:00 |
| ogra | ) | 05:00 |
| Spec | wow, that's impressive | 05:00 |
| ogra | the "network" button now has a screenshot from the students desktop, it automatically generates a password for the vnc server and enables it if you click it | 05:00 |
| ogra | i'm lacking the vnc eroor handling and the unsetting of the changed student settings after the vnc session currently... | 05:01 |
| Spec | jelkner wants a vnc instance that he can connect to and read/write, and that the students can (forcibly) connect to with only read permissions | 05:01 |
| Spec | and not to only display his current desktop | 05:02 |
| ogra | if you write that in python, i'll integrate it in SCP ;) | 05:02 |
| ogra | some kind of "playout" feature was in the SCP/TeachersPet spec iirc | 05:03 |
| Spec | I don't know how to do this via vino, I know how to do this with Xvnc though :p | 05:04 |
| ogra | its the same... | 05:04 |
| Spec | then in that case, I know how to do it with both equally well. | 05:05 |
| ogra | vino == vnc with gconf settings and desktop integration... | 05:05 |
| ogra | you just have the advantage that gconf can hold global or user settings so you can adjust either of them on the server directly and affect all students settings :) | 05:06 |
| ogra | note that SCP is planned as a framework for plugins to enhance it over time with contributions from several sides :) | 05:07 |
| Spec | How do I run vino without desktop integration? | 05:08 |
| ogra | hmm, you need a separate desktop ? independent from the teachers desktop ? | 05:10 |
| Spec | The teacher wants a desktop to show the students different than the one the teacher *actually* works on. :p | 05:11 |
| ogra | yes, thats eiher a Xvnc thing or another desktop with a special demo user :) | 05:13 |
| Spec | The problem then becomes, how will Xvnc know that when the teacher connects, he gets read/write, and when students connect, they get read only? | 05:15 |
| ogra | hmm | 05:16 |
| ogra | you'd have to do that on the clientside while connecting... | 05:16 |
| ogra | the students automatically connect with the -viewonly option attached to the vncviewer command... write a wrapper script for vncviewer that checks for the "teacher" group and sets this if its not privileged ? | 05:18 |
| Spec | yeah, that's what I did in the past | 05:19 |
| Spec | or, something similar | 05:19 |
| Spec | I was just told vnc is broken in breezy and won't work no matter how hard I try, and that I should check out freenx? | 05:19 |
| ogra | thats nonsense | 05:20 |
| Spec | and the person who told me was confident that he could call matt zimmerman and he would agree with him? | 05:20 |
| ogra | if vnc is broken in breezy and you can confirm that, please file a bug | 05:20 |
| ogra | we'll fix it before release then | 05:20 |
| Spec | naa, i'm going to just ignore what he says | 05:20 |
| ogra | if you find it broken, please file a bug, but since i didnt hear anything about it, i dont think its broken ;) | 05:22 |
| Spec | over ltsp? | 05:23 |
| Spec | I think that might've had something to do with it, too. not just breezy | 05:23 |
| ogra | *over* ltsp ? what do you mean ? | 05:24 |
| ogra | ltsp only eports the ltsp desktop... every vnc traffic is managed via vnc... | 05:25 |
| Spec | it makes more sense to ignore what he said :p | 05:25 |
| ogra | in fact you open parallel X traffic for vnc... | 05:26 |
| ogra | thats why NX might be better, but the NX packaging is to bad, so we didnt even include it in universe yet, someone within canonical is working on a fixed package, but i dont know if it will be ready in breezy time | 05:27 |
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| magnon | ogra, I meant to ask, do you have any hardware vendors who have been particularily nice towards ubuntu edu efforts? | 07:43 |
| magnon | tuxlabs etc. | 07:43 |
| ogra | magnon, not that i'm aware of, but probably JaneW know something here, i know she also talked to HW vendors (not sure if it was wrt edu) | 07:44 |
| magnon | JaneW, same question to you then ;) | 07:45 |
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| Rondom | hello | 09:04 |
| Rondom | anyone here? | 09:04 |
| Rondom | i still have some hoary-cds an I want to install edubuntu | 09:04 |
| Rondom | what shall I do | 09:04 |
| ogra | install hoary, upgrade to breezy and install edubuntu-desktop :) | 09:05 |
| Rondom | install normal, upgate to breezy ,uninstall ubuntu-dekstop and install edubuntu? | 09:05 |
| Rondom | so does that mean I shall install the thing normally | 09:05 |
| Rondom | why not remove ubuntu-desktop | 09:05 |
| ogra | it doesnt matter if you do that... do as you like ;) | 09:06 |
| ogra | edubuntu-desktop contains all apps from ubuntu-desktop | 09:06 |
| Rondom | including the games | 09:07 |
| ogra | so uninstall it if you feel that looks cleaner in the package manager ;) | 09:07 |
| Rondom | ? | 09:07 |
| ogra | yup | 09:07 |
| Rondom | ok | 09:07 |
| Rondom | thx for your help | 09:07 |
| ogra | youre welcome :) | 09:07 |
| Rondom | what's your motivation for edubuntu development? I mean why don't you do somthing else? | 09:08 |
| linescann | ogra: you get anywhere with the booting issue ? | 09:13 |
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| magnon | Rondom: Why should one do something else? | 09:49 |
| Rondom | I know ogra is also responsible for universe. I am interested in hte motivation of helping with creating a ubuntu for schools | 09:57 |
| magnon | I'd say it's a very rewarding cause | 09:58 |
| Rondom | magnon: I didn't mean that he shouldn't do it, or that I don't understand it. | 09:58 |
| magnon | aha, ok :) | 09:59 |
| magnon | it sounded a bit like it | 09:59 |
| Rondom | I also released some (crappy :oops:) stuff under the GPL and helped at several projects | 10:04 |
| Rondom | so I didn't want to say: "Are you stupid? Why the hell do you do this stuff?" | 10:04 |
| magnon | hehe | 10:06 |
| Rondom | not that familiar with linux and c-programming | 10:06 |
| Rondom | I didn't use linux for a long time, because I wanted to learn c first to write an import-plugin that imports from miranda (www.miranda-im.org) to gaim | 10:07 |
| Rondom | :-D | 10:08 |
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| magnon | ogra: what's Claire's nick on IRC again? | 11:48 |
| ogra | magnon, cvd | 11:49 |
| magnon | ty | 11:49 |
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