=== Mez [n=Mez@cpc4-lich4-3-0-cust247.brhm.cable.ntl.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === seth_k [n=seth@asmallorange.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === apokryphos [n=apokryph@host-87-74-29-244.bulldogdsl.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === pef [n=loic@lns-vlq-39f-81-56-130-224.adsl.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [08:37] hello === \sh_away is now known as \sh === Mez [n=Mez@cpc4-lich4-3-0-cust247.brhm.cable.ntl.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === hunger [n=hunger@p54A63846.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === KaiL_ [n=KaiL@p548F7F72.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === allee [n=ach@allee.exgal.mpe.mpg.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === verwilst [n=verwilst@212.123.1.32] has joined #kubuntu-devel [11:12] breezy feels yummie [11:13] more refined than hoary [11:13] :d [11:28] verwilst, wait till you get KDE 3.5 :D [11:29] Mez: hehe i know :p [11:34] well, it won't be all stable and integrated until breezy+1 eh :p [11:38] well it's working perfectly well for me atm [11:52] oh? you have 3.5 already? [11:52] yeah [11:52] :D [11:52] the beta pre-release === _verwilst [n=verwilst@212.123.1.32] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:08] hello _verwilst [12:08] <_verwilst> yoyo Riddell [12:08] Riddell: how's the compiling going? [12:09] Mez: i meant .deb's :p [12:09] Verwilst: want to help packaging 3.? [12:09] 3.5 [12:09] sure :d [12:09] Riddell: I thought it was already packaged [12:10] Riddell: what do you have so far? [12:10] hence how I'm using it [12:10] or are you on about hoary [12:11] only libs, base, toys and utils are done [12:11] Riddell: does that include in breezy? [12:11] compiled for breezy, nothing is in breezy [12:11] yeah [12:11] I mean, are all the packages comnpiled for breezy [12:12] only the ones listed above [12:13] ahm, fair enough [12:13] I'll try some work over the next couple of days [12:14] well let us know before you start compiling anything so we don't duplicate work [12:15] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KDE35Packages http://kubuntu.org/~jr/3.5-src/ and "deb http://kubuntu.org/kde35beta1 breezy main" === JRe [n=jre@pai34-2-82-226-199-36.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === apokryphos [n=apokryph@host-87-74-29-215.bulldogdsl.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:20] coolness :) [01:27] which ones are you doing now? [01:27] btw, the new kdm splash looks great! [01:27] minus a few minor cosmetics irregularities here and there :) [01:32] I really think the KDM theme should be altered [01:32] it looks like Mandrake/Mandriva [01:34] mandriva always succeeds in making kde as ugly as possible :p [01:42] It's gotta be that star in the top. I really t hink we have to alter the theme :D [01:43] Riddell: i'm gonna do kdenetwork? [01:44] ok true, the star is too much mandriva-like :) [01:56] Verwilst: cool [01:56] Verwilst: let me know if you have any questions [01:58] apokryphos: how about this KDM theme? http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=29215 [01:58] Riddell: wow, much nicer. [02:00] hm, i like the current one, except the star maybe :) [02:01] the colors on this one are too dull [02:01] Riddell: that Qt-patch, by the way http://ktown.kde.org/~binner/distributor-patches/SUSE/9.3/qt3-3.3.4-11/rubberband.diff (not sure if you've used it or not) [02:01] just told rubberband was guaranteed to be real slow without it; tried rubberband on suse yesterday, and it worked seamlessly [02:02] *just was told [02:03] rubberband is pretty slow when it gets bigger ( your selection ) [02:03] but it's sweet none the less ;) [02:03] Yup, but I don't think it has to be [02:05] imho i would keep the current kdm theme [02:05] and just replace the star [02:05] it looks sweeet [02:06] apokryphos: I think that is the patch we use but feel free to check [02:07] ok [02:07] The other kdm theme definitely gets my vote: smoother, cleaner, lighter, more open [02:07] The whole style of the last one shouts Mandrake at me :D [02:08] I quite like what's he's done with the kubuntu logo in that one [02:11] the other one is too light.. [02:11] it's like a blue t-shirt that's been in the sun for 3 months :d [02:11] Verwilst: kde itself is quite bright [02:11] all bleached :p [02:12] myeah, bright, but not pale :$ [02:12] and the login button is not consistent with the other 2 [02:13] Verwilst: I don't think it's pale :P, but the Login button doesn't serve the same function as the others [02:13] the style of the tick is different though, sure :) [02:14] but it is a matter of aesthetic preference; I think it is also a case of being consistent wth the default kubuntu background (do we have one yet?) [02:15] aha, I see it. Hm, it is darker. [02:16] :d [02:16] but not darker than the current splash :d [02:16] ;) ;) [02:17] I actually think the background itself is too dark (lighter colours encourage happiness :P), but I'll leave it up to TPTB 8) [02:19] i don't like the background either too :p [02:19] it's an ugly shade of blue [02:19] the one from the current kdm theme is way nicer === jjesse [n=jjesse@mail.ftpb.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:19] Riddell: there is some 3.5 packages which needs amd64 building ? [03:23] JRe: all of them if you wish [03:23] JRe: are you still doing kdepim? [03:24] Riddell: I am trying but I have troubles with using pbuilder in a i386 chroot [03:25] Riddell: I have sorted out the unusefull patches [03:25] Riddell: update the nedded ones [03:27] Riddell: it's very busy at work today, i won't start on kdenetwork yet, so go ahead if you want to [03:27] i'll re-ask tomorrow [03:27] Riddell: there is a wiki page on how to set a good i386 chroot on an amd64 ? [03:29] linux32 chroot . ? [03:31] Verwilst: yes [03:35] JRe: i meant, that's the command you need to get a 32bit chroot eh :) [03:53] JRe: I know nothing about 32 bit chroot son 64 bit [03:53] JRe: but sudo debootstrap [--variant=buildd] [--arch i386] hoary /var/chroot/ [03:53] the --arch should do it [03:53] ok thanks [03:53] JRe: easiest just to use a chroot rather than a pbuilder === verwilst [n=verwilst@212.123.1.32] has joined #kubuntu-devel === tvo [n=tobi@5354EA9B.cable.casema.nl] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:17] wtf man [04:17] suddenly my X kept on restarting === mez [n=mez@82-46-210-44.cable.ubr01.perr.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:25] lo :D === OculusAquilae [n=oculus@p548D0A3C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:30] just posted http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=29294 [04:30] that should be our breezy background for sure === Mez [n=mez@82-46-210-44.cable.ubr01.perr.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:44] hehe colorful :d [04:46] there is no way to have an user list in the KDM themes ? [04:47] it is possible [04:47] it would be cool to have such a theme by default [04:47] Gentoo and Fedora have it by default [04:48] example kdm theme: http://kdelook.org/content/show.php?content=12544 [04:48] cause many users are disturbed to not have the usernames on startup [04:48] JRe: what do you think about the two kdm things proposed so far? [04:49] really nice but I think it would rocks to have an user list by default [04:50] i'll see if i can quickly remix a theme [04:53] suse 10 does that, but that theme posted above doesn't work with KDM [04:54] gah, realised it's GDM [04:54] but if suse one does it, then fine n' dandy === JRe [n=jre@pai34-2-82-226-199-36.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === JRe [n=jre@pai34-2-82-226-199-36.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:04] apokryphos: mmm i have try to use this fedora theme but it does not work [05:04] apokryphos: and when i copy the user list item into the kubuntu theme it display en empty list :( [05:05] JRe: as Riddell mentioned, it's a GDM theme apparently [05:05] apokryphos: yeah it's a GDM one [05:05] we could use the SuSE one [05:05] JRe - hows things? [05:05] JRe: and we use KDM :P [05:05] apokryphos: can you find the suse one? [05:05] apokryphos: yeah I know [05:05] evening Riddell :D [05:06] I'll have a look at doing some packages tonight, as soon as I get a pbuild set up on here [05:06] Riddell: I have suse here; turning on computer now.. [05:06] apokryphos, Riddell: I'll try hack the suse one [05:06] and make a nice kubuntu with user list [05:09] apokryphos: you have it ? [05:10] getting it now, one sec [05:15] sorry about the delay [05:15] giannaros.org/SUSE [05:15] apokryphos: niec! thanks [05:15] Riddell: hm, doesn't look like it has user list [05:16] :/ [05:16] hmm, I'm sure it did when I saw it [05:16] can't remember where I saw it though [05:16] hum no user list [05:17] this is from the beta2 [05:17] *1 === Mez [n=mez@82-46-210-44.cable.ubr01.perr.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #kubuntu-devel === JRe [n=jre@pai34-2-82-226-199-36.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:29] mmm I can't find a KDM theme with user list [05:30] maybe I'm making it up then and it just isn't possible === apokryphos [n=apokryph@host-87-74-29-215.bulldogdsl.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === \sh is now known as \sh_away === OculusAquilae [n=oculus@p548D0A3C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === \sh_away is now known as \sh === seth_k [n=seth@asmallorange.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === \sh is now known as \sh_away [07:08] can anyone confirm this problem with amarok and musicbrainz? [07:08] http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=15708 [07:08] it works for me [07:09] hmm, wonder if it's MP3 only === tvo [n=tobi@5354EA9B.cable.casema.nl] has joined #kubuntu-devel [07:11] maybe tvo can :) [07:11] what can I ? [07:11] Riddell: with my mp3s it doesn' [07:11] t work [07:12] tvo: sure you can [07:12] oh cool :) [07:12] with my 4 mp3s :-) [07:12] ;--P [07:13] tvo: high hopes ;p [07:14] Riddell: with ogg-vorbis-files it works === \sh_away is now known as \sh [07:28] hermanni hiiri [07:28] \sh: any idea why guidance isn't working [07:29] the stuff works when run as a command but run through kcmshell I get an evil qt.so location error [07:29] Riddell: that musicbrainz error has been ther efor ages [07:30] Riddell: it's because the MC in the repo doesn't have mp3 support, as I recall. I thought it wasn't allowed to be cause it's in main [07:31] apokryphos: MC? [07:31] musicbrainz; libtunepimp or whatever [07:31] s/mc/mb === \sh is now known as \sh_away [07:38] apokryphos: it's the whatever part I'm trying to work out now :) [07:39] Riddell: pretty sure it's libtunepimp.. I remember trying to manually get it from their site [07:39] not that easy for non-Win users === \sh_away is now known as \sh [07:42] erm, well, that seems to be the tagger [07:43] libmusicbrainz probably what you need [07:43] I think it's taglib that's the fault, taglib has no mp3 support so it can't read the tags so it can't query the database [07:44] ah [07:45] would there need to be a patched taglib in multiverse or something? At least there'd be a way to get it working for the end-user [07:45] hmm no, it has no dependencies [07:45] must be tunepimp then === \sh is now known as \sh_away === \sh_away is now known as \sh [08:50] is it normal that superkaramba depends on xmss ? === _tonio [n=tonio@tonio.planetemu.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [09:03] <_tonio> hi everyone ;) [09:03] hi _tonio [09:07] JRe: yes [09:08] JRe: SK has some built-in xmms options with its themes [09:08] useful back in the day when people only used that; more annoying now though. [09:10] apokryphos: oki [09:10] hi _t [09:10] hi _tonio [09:11] JRe: any idea why I get a "su: must be run from a terminal" whenever I try to su in a chroot? [09:11] Used to work perfectly, then one day.. bam. :O [09:11] mmm stange!!!!! [09:11] strange! [09:12] one of the funniest errors I've had, definitely 8) [09:12] ;) [09:12] mind you, my chroots have never supported sudo, even though I did straight copies of the user files [09:12] really ? [09:13] there are always trouble witch the chroots :) [09:13] copy over /etc/passwd, groups, and hosts -- that would do it, no? [09:13] apokryphos: ho BTW i was not able to found a KDM theme with a working userlist :- [09:13] :( [09:13] As I'm finding, yeah 8) [09:13] That does indeed suck; I was sure I saw one on Gentoo too; wondering if that was a GDM now [09:14] apokryphos: may be the userlist element from GDM theme is not already supported on KDM :( [09:14] apokryphos: and google does not know :( [09:15] hm, annoying [09:18] asked in #kde too, no real help === OculusAquilae [n=oculus@p548D0A3C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === venda [n=sean@ndn-165-138-62.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #kubuntu-devel === apokryphos_ [n=apokryph@host-87-74-2-161.bulldogdsl.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel [10:09] JRe: apparently default Gentoo theme has it.. [10:10] JRe: if you can press any Gentoo user to get them to give you their /usr/kde/3.4/share/apps/kdm/themes/circles then we might be in luck [10:10] <_tonio> little question [10:10] <_tonio> If I need to package 2 apps, on depending on the other, How can I make for the pbuilder to build the second if it is not already uploaded? [10:10] JRe: #gentoo seem nicely unhelpful, unfortunately. [10:14] _tonio: pbuilderrc: did you try to add 'deb file:///...' and buildmount the dir ? At least that's what I'll try later this week ;) === apokryphos wonders if Kubuntu should use the Ubuntu splashy === venda is now known as venda-away [10:19] <_tonio> I mean that I will upload that on revu ;) [10:19] apokryphos: someone has a Kubuntu splash in the works. [10:19] <_tonio> locally I know how to do that's not a problem [10:19] either sladen or paulproteus iirc [10:19] nice [10:19] <_tonio> but on the server, will not that create an issue ? [11:03] 131 Dependencies: kdelibs4-dev (>> 4:3.4.2-0ubuntu3) === lamont-away really hopes that if there' [11:04] s a kde upload, it switches hppa to g{cc,++}-3.4... === \sh is now known as \sh_away === \sh_away is now known as \sh [11:36] <_tonio> \sh: do you know if riddell finally found a solution for kdenetworksconf bugs ? [11:42] <\sh> no sorrz