[08:37] <pef> hello
[11:12] <verwilst> breezy feels yummie
[11:13] <verwilst> more refined than hoary
[11:13] <verwilst> :d
[11:28] <Mez> verwilst, wait till you get KDE 3.5 :D
[11:29] <verwilst> Mez: hehe i know :p
[11:34] <verwilst> well, it won't be all stable and integrated until breezy+1 eh :p
[11:38] <Mez> well it's working perfectly well for me atm
[11:52] <verwilst> oh? you have 3.5 already?
[11:52] <Mez> yeah
[11:52] <Mez> :D
[11:52] <Mez> the beta pre-release
[12:08] <Riddell> hello _verwilst 
[12:08] <_verwilst> yoyo Riddell 
[12:08] <Verwilst> Riddell: how's the compiling going?
[12:09] <Verwilst> Mez: i meant .deb's :p
[12:09] <Riddell> Verwilst: want to help packaging 3.?
[12:09] <Riddell> 3.5
[12:09] <Verwilst> sure :d
[12:09] <Mez> Riddell: I thought it was already packaged
[12:10] <Verwilst> Riddell: what do you have so far?
[12:10] <Mez> hence how I'm using it
[12:10] <Mez> or are you on about hoary 
[12:11] <Riddell> only libs, base, toys and utils are done
[12:11] <Mez> Riddell: does that include in breezy?
[12:11] <Riddell> compiled for breezy, nothing is in breezy
[12:11] <Mez> yeah
[12:11] <Mez> I mean, are all the packages comnpiled for breezy
[12:12] <Riddell> only the ones listed above
[12:13] <Mez> ahm, fair enough
[12:13] <Mez> I'll try some work over the next couple of days
[12:14] <Riddell> well let us know before you start compiling anything so we don't duplicate work
[12:15] <Riddell> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KDE35Packages  http://kubuntu.org/~jr/3.5-src/  and "deb http://kubuntu.org/kde35beta1 breezy main"
[01:20] <Verwilst> coolness :)
[01:27] <Verwilst> which ones are you doing now?
[01:27] <Verwilst> btw, the new kdm splash looks great!
[01:27] <Verwilst> minus a few minor cosmetics irregularities here and there :)
[01:32] <apokryphos> I really think the KDM theme should be altered
[01:32] <apokryphos> it looks like Mandrake/Mandriva
[01:34] <Verwilst> mandriva always succeeds in making kde as ugly as possible :p
[01:42] <apokryphos> It's gotta be that star in the top. I really t hink we have to alter the theme :D
[01:43] <Verwilst> Riddell: i'm gonna do kdenetwork?
[01:44] <Verwilst> ok true, the star is too much mandriva-like :)
[01:56] <Riddell> Verwilst: cool
[01:56] <Riddell> Verwilst: let me know if you have any questions
[01:58] <Riddell> apokryphos: how about this KDM theme?  http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=29215
[01:58] <apokryphos> Riddell: wow, much nicer.
[02:00] <Verwilst> hm, i like the current one, except the star maybe :)
[02:01] <Verwilst> the colors on this one are too dull
[02:01] <apokryphos> Riddell: that Qt-patch, by the way http://ktown.kde.org/~binner/distributor-patches/SUSE/9.3/qt3-3.3.4-11/rubberband.diff (not sure if you've used it or not)
[02:01] <apokryphos> just told rubberband was guaranteed to be real slow without it; tried rubberband on suse yesterday, and it worked seamlessly
[02:02] <apokryphos> *just was told
[02:03] <Verwilst> rubberband is pretty slow when it gets bigger ( your selection )
[02:03] <Verwilst> but it's sweet none the less ;)
[02:03] <apokryphos> Yup, but I don't think it has to be
[02:05] <Verwilst> imho i would keep the current kdm theme
[02:05] <Verwilst> and just replace the star
[02:05] <Verwilst> it looks sweeet
[02:06] <Riddell> apokryphos: I think that is the patch we use but feel free to check
[02:07] <apokryphos> ok
[02:07] <apokryphos> The other kdm theme definitely gets my vote: smoother, cleaner, lighter, more open
[02:07] <apokryphos> The whole style of the last one shouts Mandrake at me :D
[02:08] <Riddell> I quite like what's he's done with the kubuntu logo in that one
[02:11] <Verwilst> the other one is too light..
[02:11] <Verwilst> it's like a blue t-shirt that's been in the sun for 3 months :d
[02:11] <apokryphos> Verwilst: kde itself is quite bright
[02:11] <Verwilst> all bleached :p
[02:12] <Verwilst> myeah, bright, but not pale :$
[02:12] <Verwilst> and the login button is not consistent with the other 2
[02:13] <apokryphos> Verwilst: I don't think it's pale :P, but the Login button doesn't serve the same function as the others
[02:13] <apokryphos> the style of the tick is different though, sure :)
[02:14] <apokryphos> but it is a matter of aesthetic preference; I think it is also a case of being consistent wth the default kubuntu background (do we have one yet?)
[02:15] <apokryphos> aha, I see it. Hm, it is darker.
[02:16] <Verwilst> :d
[02:16] <Verwilst> but not darker than the current splash :d
[02:16] <Verwilst> ;) ;)
[02:17] <apokryphos> I actually think the background itself is too dark (lighter colours encourage happiness :P), but I'll leave it up to TPTB 8)
[02:19] <Verwilst> i don't like the background either too :p
[02:19] <Verwilst> it's an ugly shade of blue
[02:19] <Verwilst> the one from the current kdm theme is way nicer
[03:19] <JRe> Riddell: there is some 3.5 packages which needs amd64 building ?
[03:23] <Riddell> JRe: all of them if you wish
[03:23] <Riddell> JRe: are you still doing kdepim?
[03:24] <JRe> Riddell: I am trying but I have troubles with using pbuilder in a i386 chroot
[03:25] <JRe> Riddell: I have sorted out the unusefull patches
[03:25] <JRe> Riddell: update the nedded ones
[03:27] <Verwilst> Riddell: it's very busy at work today, i won't start on kdenetwork yet, so go ahead if you want to
[03:27] <Verwilst> i'll re-ask tomorrow
[03:27] <JRe> Riddell: there is a wiki page on how to set a good i386 chroot on an amd64 ?
[03:29] <Verwilst> linux32 chroot . ?
[03:31] <JRe> Verwilst: yes
[03:35] <Verwilst> JRe: i meant, that's the command you need to get a 32bit chroot eh :)
[03:53] <Riddell> JRe: I know nothing about 32 bit chroot son 64 bit
[03:53] <Riddell> JRe: but   sudo debootstrap [--variant=buildd]  [--arch i386]  hoary /var/chroot/
[03:53] <Riddell> the --arch should do it
[03:53] <JRe> ok thanks
[03:53] <Riddell> JRe: easiest just to use a chroot rather than a pbuilder
[04:17] <verwilst> wtf man
[04:17] <verwilst> suddenly my X kept on restarting
[04:25] <mez> lo :D
[04:30] <Riddell> just posted http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=29294
[04:30] <Riddell> that should be our breezy background for sure
[04:44] <verwilst> hehe colorful :d
[04:46] <JRe> there is no way to have an user list in the KDM themes ?
[04:47] <apokryphos> it is possible
[04:47] <JRe> it would be cool to have such a theme by default
[04:47] <apokryphos> Gentoo and Fedora have it by default
[04:48] <apokryphos> example kdm theme: http://kdelook.org/content/show.php?content=12544
[04:48] <JRe> cause many users are disturbed to not have the usernames on startup
[04:48] <apokryphos> JRe: what do you think about the two kdm things proposed so far?
[04:49] <JRe> really nice but I think it would rocks to have an user list by default
[04:50] <JRe> i'll see if i can quickly remix a theme
[04:53] <Riddell> suse 10 does that, but that theme posted above doesn't work with KDM
[04:54] <apokryphos> gah, realised it's GDM
[04:54] <apokryphos> but if suse one does it, then fine n' dandy
[05:04] <JRe> apokryphos: mmm i have try to use this fedora theme but it does not work
[05:04] <JRe> apokryphos: and when i copy the user list item into the kubuntu theme it display en empty list :(
[05:05] <apokryphos> JRe: as Riddell mentioned, it's a GDM theme apparently
[05:05] <JRe> apokryphos: yeah it's a GDM one
[05:05] <apokryphos> we could use the SuSE one
[05:05] <Mez> JRe - hows things?
[05:05] <apokryphos> JRe: and we use KDM :P
[05:05] <Riddell> apokryphos: can you find the suse one?
[05:05] <JRe> apokryphos: yeah I know
[05:05] <Mez> evening Riddell :D
[05:06] <Mez> I'll have a look at doing some packages tonight, as soon as I get a pbuild set up on here
[05:06] <apokryphos> Riddell: I have suse here; turning on computer now..
[05:06] <JRe> apokryphos, Riddell: I'll try hack the suse one
[05:06] <JRe> and make a nice kubuntu with user list
[05:09] <JRe> apokryphos: you have it ?
[05:10] <apokryphos> getting it now, one sec
[05:15] <apokryphos> sorry about the delay
[05:15] <apokryphos> giannaros.org/SUSE
[05:15] <JRe> apokryphos: niec! thanks
[05:15] <apokryphos> Riddell: hm, doesn't look like it has user list
[05:16] <apokryphos> :/
[05:16] <Riddell> hmm, I'm sure it did when I saw it
[05:16] <Riddell> can't remember where I saw it though
[05:16] <JRe> hum no user list
[05:17] <apokryphos> this is from the beta2
[05:17] <apokryphos> *1
[05:29] <JRe> mmm I can't find a KDM theme with user list
[05:30] <Riddell> maybe I'm making it up then and it just isn't possible
[07:08] <Riddell> can anyone confirm this problem with amarok and musicbrainz?
[07:08] <Riddell> http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=15708
[07:08] <Riddell> it works for me
[07:09] <Riddell> hmm, wonder if it's MP3 only
[07:11] <Riddell> maybe tvo can :)
[07:11] <tvo> what can I ?
[07:11] <OculusAquilae> Riddell: with my mp3s it doesn'
[07:11] <OculusAquilae> t work
[07:12] <Tm_T> tvo: sure you can
[07:12] <tvo> oh cool :)
[07:12] <OculusAquilae> with my 4 mp3s :-)
[07:12] <Tm_T> ;--P
[07:13] <Tm_T> tvo: high hopes ;p
[07:14] <OculusAquilae> Riddell: with ogg-vorbis-files it works
[07:28] <Tm_T> hermanni hiiri
[07:28] <Riddell> \sh: any idea why guidance isn't working
[07:29] <Riddell> the stuff works when run as a command but run through kcmshell I get an evil qt.so location error
[07:29] <apokryphos> Riddell: that musicbrainz error has been ther efor ages
[07:30] <apokryphos> Riddell: it's because the MC in the repo doesn't have mp3 support, as I recall. I thought it wasn't allowed to be cause it's in main
[07:31] <Riddell> apokryphos: MC?
[07:31] <apokryphos> musicbrainz; libtunepimp or whatever
[07:31] <apokryphos> s/mc/mb
[07:38] <Riddell> apokryphos: it's the whatever part I'm trying to work out now :)
[07:39] <apokryphos> Riddell: pretty sure it's libtunepimp.. I remember trying to manually get it from their site
[07:39] <apokryphos> not that easy for non-Win users
[07:42] <apokryphos> erm, well, that seems to be the tagger
[07:43] <apokryphos> libmusicbrainz probably what you need
[07:43] <Riddell> I think it's taglib that's the fault, taglib has no mp3 support so it can't read the tags so it can't query the database
[07:44] <apokryphos> ah
[07:45] <apokryphos> would there need to be a patched taglib in multiverse or something? At least there'd be a way to get it working for the end-user
[07:45] <Riddell> hmm no, it has no dependencies
[07:45] <Riddell> must be tunepimp then
[08:50] <JRe> is it normal that superkaramba depends on xmss ?
[09:03] <_tonio> hi everyone ;)
[09:03] <OculusAquilae> hi _tonio
[09:07] <apokryphos> JRe: yes
[09:08] <apokryphos> JRe: SK has some built-in xmms options with its themes
[09:08] <apokryphos> useful back in the day when people only used that; more annoying now though.
[09:10] <JRe> apokryphos: oki
[09:10] <JRe> hi _t
[09:10] <JRe> hi _tonio 
[09:11] <apokryphos> JRe: any idea why I get a "su: must be run from a terminal" whenever I try to su in a chroot?
[09:11] <apokryphos> Used to work perfectly, then one day.. bam. :O
[09:11] <JRe> mmm stange!!!!!
[09:11] <JRe> strange!
[09:12] <apokryphos> one of the funniest errors I've had, definitely 8)
[09:12] <JRe> ;)
[09:12] <apokryphos> mind you, my chroots have never supported sudo, even though I did straight copies of the user files
[09:12] <JRe> really ?
[09:13] <JRe> there are always trouble witch the chroots :)
[09:13] <apokryphos> copy over /etc/passwd, groups, and hosts -- that would do it, no?
[09:13] <JRe> apokryphos: ho BTW i was not able to found a KDM theme with a working userlist :-
[09:13] <JRe> :(
[09:13] <apokryphos> As I'm finding, yeah 8)
[09:13] <apokryphos> That does indeed suck; I was sure I saw one on Gentoo too; wondering if that was a GDM now
[09:14] <JRe> apokryphos: may be the userlist element from GDM theme is not already supported on KDM :(
[09:14] <JRe> apokryphos: and google does not know :(
[09:15] <apokryphos> hm, annoying
[09:18] <apokryphos> asked in #kde too, no real help
[10:09] <apokryphos> JRe: apparently default Gentoo theme has it..
[10:10] <apokryphos> JRe: if you can press any Gentoo user to get them to give you their /usr/kde/3.4/share/apps/kdm/themes/circles  then we might be in luck
[10:10] <_tonio> little question
[10:10] <_tonio> If I need to package 2 apps, on depending on the other, How can I make for the pbuilder to build the second if it is not already uploaded?
[10:10] <apokryphos> JRe: #gentoo seem nicely unhelpful, unfortunately.
[10:14] <allee> _tonio: pbuilderrc: did you try to add 'deb file:///...' and buildmount the dir ?  At least that's what I'll try later this week ;)
[10:19] <_tonio> I mean that I will upload that on revu ;)
[10:19] <crimsun> apokryphos: someone has a Kubuntu splash in the works.
[10:19] <_tonio> locally I know how to do that's not a problem
[10:19] <crimsun> either sladen or paulproteus iirc
[10:19] <apokryphos> nice
[10:19] <_tonio> but on the server, will not that create an issue ?
[11:03] <lamont-away>     131   Dependencies: kdelibs4-dev (>> 4:3.4.2-0ubuntu3)
[11:04] <lamont-away> s a kde upload, it switches hppa to g{cc,++}-3.4...
[11:36] <_tonio> \sh: do you know if riddell finally found a solution for kdenetworksconf bugs ?
[11:42] <\sh> no sorrz