[12:02] <godzero> I seem to remember if you install kubuntu-desktop on ubuntu, on startx, gdm is loaded by default still, and you have to edit some .rc (memory a little fuzzy.. was 6+ months ago)
[12:02] <apokryphos> godzero: what are you trying to achieve?
[12:03] <apokryphos> godzero: get KDM as default?
[12:03] <godzero> I guess I'm thinking outloud
[12:03] <godzero> yes
[12:03] <anatemus> hmm.. totally newbie with kubuntu (and debian)... what's the difference between hoary & breezy?
[12:04] <Juerd> anatemus: Version
[12:04] <apokryphos> Once you install KDM on Ubuntu it asks you if you want to make it default, but if you chose no or want to change in the future: sudo dpkg-reconfigure kdm
[12:04] <godzero> it's just ubuntu + kubuntu-desktop != kubuntu
[12:04] <Juerd> anatemus: Hoary is version 5.04, Breezy will be 5.10 (breezy is not released yet)
[12:04] <Juerd> godzero: Oh?
[12:04] <apokryphos> godzero: kubuntu = ubuntu-base + kubuntu-desktop
[12:05] <apokryphos> godzero: if you install kubuntu-desktop on ubuntu then you do have kubuntu, yes (plus other packs)
[12:05] <godzero> ya, I guess sudo dpkg-reconfigure kdm sounds like it would fix that
[12:06] <anatemus> Juerd: ok, _now_ i see the word 'preview' with 5.10 (here http://releases.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/ )
[12:06] <Juerd> anatemus: It is customary for Linux distribution versions to get names.
[12:06] <Juerd> It's so much better to say "I'm upgrading from potato to woody" than to say "I'm upgrading from 2000 to XP"
[12:07] <Juerd> Microsoft has only recently understood this.
[12:07] <Juerd> They don't understand, unfortunately, that it is important to keep (and express) version numbers too
[12:08] <mikonian> apokryphos, can you run that last how-to by me again? i want to install and use this theme -> http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=29215 but in the instructions is says to extract the file to ~/.kde/share/apps/kdm/themes which is a folder i don't have. What do I do?
[12:08] <apokryphos> mikonian: you can put the theme anywhere you want
[12:09] <Juerd> mikonian: Create the folder, if you want to.
[12:09] <apokryphos> mikonian: in /etc/kde3/kdm/kdmrc just put Theme=/path/tothe/theme
[12:09] <godzero> apokryphos: I was talking about ubuntu (complete with gnome) + kde-desktop != kubuntu... x would start with gdm, not kdm
[12:09] <mikonian> aaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
[12:09] <Juerd> mikonian: Quick, breathe in again!
[12:10] <Juerd> Breathe out. Repeat.
[12:10] <apokryphos> godzero: so change it; it's easy.
[12:10] <godzero> me, no I have kubuntu.... again, I was thinking outloud
[12:10] <Juerd> godzero: If you must, apt-get remove gdm
[12:11] <apokryphos> godzero: well, when you install kubuntu-desktop you get the choice of whether to use kdm or gdm
[12:11] <BROKEN_LADDER> i'm having trouble getting a menu entry to execute the program. it should say: /bin/sh ~/LimeWire/runLime.sh
[12:11] <BROKEN_LADDER> but it only works from the run dialog box, not from the menu selection.
[12:11] <BROKEN_LADDER> anyone know any possible way to fix this?
[12:11] <Juerd> BROKEN_LADDER: Is there the possibility of you changing your nickname to something that isn't so painful for eyes?
[12:12] <Juerd> BROKEN_LADDER: The solution might involve changing ~ to /home/yourusername
[12:12] <Juerd> But this may or may not fix things.
[12:13] <BROKEN_LADDER> ahh!
[12:13] <godzero> sorry, text isn't the best mode of conveying random thoughts... I didn't meen to confuse you... *I* installed kubutu BB from iso (currently yesterday's build).. I was thinking outload
[12:13] <BROKEN_LADDER> i had thought about that but then dismissed it.
[12:13] <Juerd> Still, how about changing your nickname?
[12:13] <apokryphos> godzero: surely if you don't want people to respond to the thoughts then you wouldn't put them on here :P
[12:13] <godzero> never again
[12:14] <BROKEN_LADDER> that fixed it
[12:14] <BROKEN_LADDER> thx
[12:14] <BROKEN_LADDER> why would i change my nick?  i don't ask you to change yours.
[12:14] <Juerd> BROKEN_LADDER: Your nickname is very annoying, because it is uppercase.
[12:14] <apokryphos> BROKEN_LADDER: he/she said why
[12:14] <Juerd> BROKEN_LADDER: Please change it to broken_ladder
[12:15] <BROKEN_LADDER> i think your nick names are annoynig because they are lowercase.
[12:15] <Juerd> It draws attention and messes up the reading flow of the channel
[12:15] <BROKEN_LADDER> i wish lowercase letters did not exist.
[12:15] <BROKEN_LADDER> in any case, that was my only question.
[12:15] <Juerd> BROKEN_LADDER: Okay. I will be ignoring you now.
[12:15] <apokryphos> BROKEN_LADDER: you're missing the point
[12:15] <BROKEN_LADDER> apokryphos your nick, on my display, is almost as long as mine.
[12:15] <apokryphos> BROKEN_LADDER: evidently it has nothing to do with length
[12:16] <apokryphos> BROKEN_LADDER: otherwise we wouldn't suggest a lowercase
[12:16] <BROKEN_LADDER> i think the point is that lowercase letters are tacky and superfluous.
[12:16] <BROKEN_LADDER> so the issue is height? lol
[12:16] <apokryphos> BROKEN_LADDER: the issue is idiosyncrasy
[12:16] <apokryphos> BROKEN_LADDER: and channel flow, as mentioned.
[12:16] <BROKEN_LADDER> i'm done anyway.
[12:16] <BROKEN_LADDER> thanks.
[12:17] <mikonian> apokryphos, all done. restart kde?
[12:17] <apokryphos> mikonian: you used debfoster?
[12:18] <mikonian> and modified the /etc/kde3/kdm/kdmrc so that theme= points to the theme i want to use
[12:18] <apokryphos> oh sorry, kdm, yes
[12:18] <apokryphos> Theme (uppercase T)
[12:18] <apokryphos> yes, that should be it
[12:18] <mikonian> yes
[12:18] <mikonian> excellent. i'll brb
[12:18] <apokryphos> mikonian: make sure you remove any other entries of Theme= in the file
[12:21] <Pyf> hey, is there a program that will organise my mp3s so they are in folders based on the albumname and band name?
[12:21] <apokryphos> nope
[12:21] <Pyf> gutted :(
[12:22] <godzero> I think amarok will dispay that way though
[12:22] <apokryphos> Pyf: do you have many?
[12:22] <Pyf> apokryphos,  yeah loadsa stuff
[12:23] <Pyf> well enough that i dont wanna do it by hand :)
[12:23] <Pyf> itunes does it in windows...
[12:24] <godzero> you want it to organize your file system?
[12:24] <anatemus> Pyf: sort with amaroK, it supports drag & drop =)
[12:24] <Pyf> anatemus, im using amarok and it shows the music, but doesnt sort the file system
[12:25] <Pyf> godzero, yes :)
[12:25] <apokryphos> amaroK just uses the metadata, that's why
[12:26] <godzero> doesn't sound like a totaly useless idea... maybe submit a request to the amarok guys
[12:26] <anatemus> Pyf: yes, i know... but sort the collection, drag & drop album to konqueror... not fully automized, but *little* easier ?
[12:26] <Pyf> apokryphos, ipods use a weird filesystem.... itunes will copy any music u play into folders, so its 1 main folder for each band and then sub folders for each album by that band....
[12:27] <Pyf> anatemus, tis still renaming them all :) but seems like best option
[12:28] <anatemus> Pyf: aaa, renaming =)
[12:28] <apokryphos> Pyf: it uses vfat. Not that weird 8)
[12:28] <Pyf> apokryphos, tis weird to my mind
[12:29] <drasch> right, but the organization of the underlying files is quite wierd
[12:29] <apokryphos> Pyf: you serious? Anything can read fat-systems
[12:30] <Pyf> apokryphos, no what i mean is, on the ipod it puts them into weird folders, which basically make no sense as to which bands song is in each folder
[12:30] <apokryphos> ohh
[12:46] <libben> I want a person to remote my box, what options do i have that is allready installed.
[12:46] <libben> he prolly has vnc client to 
[12:46] <libben> connect with me.
[12:49] <godzero> Krfb looks like it may help you
[12:51] <godzero> breezy or hoary?
[12:51] <godzero> should be installed with BB
[01:02] <blackflag> hello all :-)
[01:03] <blackflag> I wnat to encrypt a document
[01:03] <blackflag> Can I do this over KDE?
[01:03] <blackflag> Is there a package for it
[01:03] <blackflag> I mean I have seen such thing under suse
[01:04] <blackflag> Is it possible under kubuntu?
[01:04] <apokryphos> GPG encryption, sure.
[01:05] <blackflag> do you have a package name?
[01:05] <blackflag> I have kgpg installed
[01:05] <blackflag> but what I mean Is with a right click and then the posibility to encrypt
[01:06] <apokryphos> blackflag: yes, it's there
[01:06] <blackflag> hmm, where?
[01:06] <drasch> blackflag: when i right-click you can click on "actions" and then "encrypt file"
[01:07] <blackflag> ohhhh, okay! im a blind fish :-)
[01:07] <apokryphos> =)
[01:08] <blackflag> tahnx for help
[01:33] <Prodegy> How do I use KDE Themes on KUbuntu?
[01:34] <_alex> a
[01:34] <apokryphos> Prodegy: a little vague there. KDE styles, window-decorations, icons..what? :)
[01:34] <Prodegy> KDE Styles
[01:35] <Prodegy> Cuz Everytime I try to load a theme at the selection it says Theme Files. I go to where I have like a KDE.theme file and it doesnt show up
[01:35] <Pyf> Prodegy,  https://wiki.ubuntu.com//InstallingKDE < explains it all
[01:37] <godzero> My ex borked her hard drive. Her new BF is ... shall we say "special"... so gotta go in a few to fix it for her. This guy know how to fdisk, but didn't know how to clean a mouse... odd guy that..
[01:38] <apokryphos> Prodegy: the .theme file? Are you talking about an SK theme? That's not a KDE theme.
[01:39] <Prodegy> Oi Ok
[01:39] <Prodegy> Do I leave it tarred to install or no?
[01:39] <apokryphos> Prodegy: please don't use this place as a substitute for Documentation or Google :)
[01:41] <Prodegy> Ha It Worked
[01:41] <Prodegy> I got a Theme To Work I Got A Theme To Work WOOT WOOT
[02:02] <Spudchat> does anyone know of a tool to envode video to burn to dvd
[02:02] <Spudchat> encode*
[02:10] <troy> Spudchat: try looking on freshmeat.net
[02:15] <musashiden> hey um, is there a way to make Xorg use less system resources? cause not even windows made my computer lag this bad...
[02:16] <musashiden> and last time i checked, unix based OS should be less of a system hogger than windows
[02:16] <musashiden> i cant even listen to music for crying out loud
[02:16] <thoreauputic> musashiden: are you sure it's X? And what are your system specs?
[02:17] <thoreauputic> musashiden: doesn't sound like an X problem
[02:17] <musashiden> thoreauputic: yes, its X according to the system manager.
[02:17] <musashiden> thats the process thats taking the most system resources
[02:17] <thoreauputic> musashiden: system specs? CPU? RAM ?
[02:18] <thoreauputic> musashiden: X is a server - it is likely a particular app is actually responsible
[02:18] <musashiden> CPU is a 800mhz Duron. 512mb of RAM, 32mb of graphics (nvidia card)
[02:18] <thoreauputic> OK should be reasonable if not exactly quick
[02:19] <musashiden> is was not that slow with windows
[02:19] <musashiden> it*
[02:19] <thoreauputic> musashiden: try killing/closing one app at a time and watch to see which one is eating your X resources
[02:19] <musashiden> ok
[02:19] <musashiden> thanks for the support btw.
[02:19] <thoreauputic> that's what the channel is for ;)
[02:20] <musashiden> guess so :P
[02:20] <thoreauputic> :)
[02:20] <musashiden> whats the process called WC?
[02:21] <musashiden> is it important?
[02:21] <thoreauputic> musashiden: note that because various apps use the X server, the resource use is usually an  app , not the server itself
[02:21] <thoreauputic> WC or wc ?
[02:21] <thoreauputic> (important distinction)
[02:22] <musashiden> wc
[02:22] <thoreauputic> wc on the command line is "word count"
[02:22] <thoreauputic> is some app doing indexing or data processing of some sort?
[02:22] <musashiden> so is it important or not? cause thats in second place of the system hogger processes?
[02:23] <musashiden> i have no idea
[02:23] <thoreauputic> musashiden: what apps are running?
[02:23] <thoreauputic> like are you doing some intensive thing like indexing an mp3 collection?
[02:23] <musashiden> nope, just talking trough irc
[02:24] <musashiden> the other programs are idle
[02:24] <thoreauputic> ok try  sudo pkill wc
[02:24] <musashiden> and according to KDE system guard, iam runing 76 processes
[02:24] <thoreauputic> ignore that - just try  sudo pkill wc
[02:25] <thoreauputic> in a terminal
[02:25] <musashiden> done
[02:25] <musashiden> what about the process sh
[02:25] <thoreauputic> musashiden: OK any output?
[02:26] <thoreauputic> erm - sh is the shell
[02:26] <thoreauputic> actually it's a link to "bash"
[02:26] <musashiden> nope, no output
[02:26] <thoreauputic> OK silence is good
[02:26] <musashiden> so is it safe to kill sh?
[02:26] <thoreauputic> any diff in the X stat?
[02:26] <thoreauputic> no don't kill sh :)
[02:26] <musashiden> nope, X still chugging up
[02:27] <thoreauputic> is this Breezy or Hoary?
[02:27] <musashiden> but sh went to the first place as the system hogger
[02:27] <musashiden> Hoary
[02:27] <thoreauputic> erm - is the machine unresponsive?
[02:27] <musashiden> what do you mean?
[02:28] <thoreauputic> is it slow, as before
[02:28] <musashiden> yup, it still slow
[02:28] <musashiden> is that damned sh process
[02:29] <thoreauputic> musashiden: that is a symptom, not a cause
[02:29] <musashiden> oh
[02:29] <thoreauputic> musashiden: sh is just the shell - which uses hardly any resources
[02:29] <musashiden> i know, thats why iam saying its weird
[02:30] <thoreauputic> musashiden: what does   free -m  say ?
[02:30] <thoreauputic> musashiden: you can paste it - it's only like 3 lines
[02:30] <musashiden> everyone, please excuse the paste
[02:30] <musashiden> total       used       free     shared    buffers     cached
[02:30] <musashiden> Mem:           504        480         23          0         53        237
[02:30] <musashiden> -/+ buffers/cache:        190        314
[02:30] <musashiden> Swap:          831          2        828
[02:31] <apokryphos> just kiddin'  :D
[02:31] <musashiden> x.x;
[02:31] <musashiden> i was scared for a second there :P
[02:31] <thoreauputic> looks OK memory wise
[02:32] <thoreauputic> oh it is using swap?
[02:32] <apokryphos> an awful lot, it seems
[02:32] <musashiden> huh?
[02:32] <thoreauputic> only 2 MB swap free
[02:32] <thoreauputic> weird
[02:32] <apokryphos> and mem, of course
[02:32] <thoreauputic> the swap figure looks alarming
[02:32] <apokryphos> musashiden: only X is high in a 'top' ?
[02:33] <chavo> that's really wierd
[02:33] <musashiden> and sh
[02:33] <musashiden> is sh, then Xorg
[02:33] <chavo> I never use swap here
[02:33] <apokryphos> thoreauputic: it can happen if a *lot* of things are happening
[02:33] <thoreauputic> apokryphos: yes but he says he's just running IRC
[02:33] <thoreauputic> :|
[02:33] <apokryphos> still had 50 megs free or so
[02:33] <musashiden> as i said before, there are 78 processes runing, but all of them are idle, exept for the hoggers
[02:34] <thoreauputic> musashiden: yes, that's normal
[02:34] <musashiden> ok
[02:34] <apokryphos> don't worry about the amount of processes
[02:34] <thoreauputic> musashiden: most processes "sleep"
[02:34] <apokryphos> musashiden: is it always like this, or just this current session?
[02:34] <apokryphos> musashiden: have you tried restarting X?
[02:34] <musashiden> always
[02:34] <musashiden> and yes
[02:35] <apokryphos> musashiden: how about reconfiguring your X?
[02:35] <musashiden> err...how do i do that?
[02:35] <apokryphos> musashiden: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[02:35] <apokryphos> musashiden: after that, restart X. Come back here, and see if anyone else
[02:35] <apokryphos> ..can help. It's worth checking in #ubuntu as well, see if anyone has any ideas.
[02:35] <thoreauputic> musashiden: possibly your nvidia card is using the wrong driver...
[02:36] <apokryphos> it's an nvidia?
[02:36] <thoreauputic> (I'm guessing)
[02:36] <musashiden> yes, is nvidia
[02:36] <apokryphos> musashiden: got all the drivers installed?
[02:36] <thoreauputic> musashiden CPU is a 800mhz Duron. 512mb of RAM, 32mb of graphics (nvidia card)
[02:36] <thoreauputic> from a while back..
[02:36] <apokryphos> right
[02:37] <apokryphos> Not amazing :D, but wouldn't explain that type of bogness
[02:37] <thoreauputic> no it wouldn't - and the massive swap use
[02:37] <apokryphos> especially the RAM part
[02:37] <thoreauputic> yup
[02:37] <thoreauputic> musashiden: fresh install? No special kernels etc?
[02:38] <musashiden> hmm, is asking me for a video card bus identifier
[02:38] <apokryphos> musashiden: did you install nvidia drivers, you said?
[02:38] <thoreauputic> musashiden: leave that blank
[02:38] <musashiden> yes and yes
[02:38] <thoreauputic> ah
[02:38] <apokryphos> musashiden: make sure you select nvidia under driver (not "nv")
[02:38] <musashiden> it has one already in it  PCI:1:0:0_
[02:38] <thoreauputic> musashiden: did you use the ones from the nvidia site?
[02:38] <musashiden> apo: of course
[02:38] <musashiden> tho: not exactly...
[02:38] <apokryphos> musashiden: you didn't use ubuntu's?
[02:39] <thoreauputic> musashiden: not exactly?
[02:39] <musashiden> do i use  PCI:1:0:0 as the bus identifier?
[02:39] <musashiden> apo: i used ubuntus driver
[02:39] <apokryphos> use default
[02:39] <apokryphos> ok
[02:39] <thoreauputic> so much for that theory :|
[02:39] <musashiden> enter amount of memory to be used by your video card: what do i put?
[02:40] <thoreauputic> musashiden: that's only for onboard video I think
[02:40] <musashiden> well is asking for it
[02:40] <musashiden> so what do i put? do i just leave it empty?
[02:40] <thoreauputic> musashiden: just move on
[02:41] <thoreauputic> musashiden: you can rerun this command again if needed
[02:41] <musashiden> use kernel fram buffer device interface?
[02:41] <thoreauputic> say no
[02:41] <musashiden> frame*
[02:42] <musashiden> XKB rule set to use?
[02:42] <thoreauputic> musashiden: accept defaults
[02:42] <thoreauputic> move on
[02:42] <musashiden> k
[02:44] <thoreauputic> musashiden: when you get to the video driver, be sure to select "nvidia"
[02:44] <thoreauputic> not "nv"
[02:44] <musashiden> yup
[02:44] <musashiden> Select the X.Org server modules that should be loaded by default.
[02:44] <musashiden> move on?
[02:44] <thoreauputic> yes
[02:44] <thoreauputic> umm
[02:45] <thoreauputic> hang on
[02:45] <thoreauputic> what does it say for default?
[02:45] <musashiden> err, i already moved on, how do i go back?
[02:45] <musashiden> x.x;;
[02:45] <thoreauputic> I think you haveto rerun the whole thing
[02:46] <musashiden> Write default Files section to configuration file?
[02:46] <musashiden> yes or no?
[02:46] <apokryphos> yup
[02:46] <musashiden> Write default DRI section to configuration file?
[02:46] <thoreauputic> musashiden: if it doesn't work, you can rerun it
[02:46] <apokryphos> guess 8)
[02:47] <thoreauputic> musashiden: when you are finished, you need to restart X
[02:47] <thoreauputic> or log out /in to KDE or whatever
[02:47] <apokryphos> thoreauputic: needs to restart X too
[02:47] <musashiden> Please choose a method for selecting your monitor characteristics.
[02:47] <thoreauputic> oh - yes of course
[02:47] <apokryphos> (as in, logging out doesn't restart X)
[02:47] <thoreauputic> apokryphos: correct
[02:48] <musashiden> simple, medium, or advanced?
[02:48] <apokryphos> medium!
[02:48] <thoreauputic> heh
[02:49] <thoreauputic> apokryphos: actually, doesn't a logout restart X before you see kdm/gdm ?
[02:49] <apokryphos> nope
[02:49] <apokryphos> looks like it is though, IIRC.
[02:49] <apokryphos> yup
[02:49] <hydrogen> is there a way to get konqueror to show remote cddb entries?
[02:49] <thoreauputic> apokryphos: OK
[02:49] <hydrogen> well, what is the way
[02:49] <musashiden>  Please select your desired default color depth in bits.
[02:49] <hydrogen> I know its possible
[02:50] <apokryphos> thoreauputic: I'm 85% sure
[02:50] <musashiden> 24 i presume?
[02:50] <thoreauputic> musashiden: 24 should be OK
[02:50] <musashiden> ok, done confiiguring
[02:50] <musashiden> now how do i restart X?
[02:51] <thoreauputic> musashiden: logout, then hit ctrl-alt-backspace at the login screen
[02:51] <musashiden> k
[02:51] <thoreauputic> actually the logout is just being nice ;)
[02:51] <musashiden> will it close everything i have on now?
[02:51] <thoreauputic> yes
[02:51] <musashiden> oh, ok
[02:51] <thoreauputic> hence the logout suggestion
[02:51] <musashiden> k
[02:51] <musashiden> brb
[02:51] <thoreauputic> you can save your session if you wish
[02:52] <musashiden> how?
[02:52] <musashiden> nvm
[02:52] <thoreauputic> select to save it on logout
[02:52] <thoreauputic> apokryphos: heh - bets on that having worked ?
[02:53] <apokryphos> Same, probably.
[02:53] <apokryphos> worth a try though I think
[02:53] <thoreauputic> sure
[02:58] <thoreauputic> musashiden: any luck?
[02:58] <musashiden>              total       used       free     shared    buffers     cached
[02:58] <musashiden> Mem:           504        434         69          0         54        264
[02:58] <musashiden> -/+ buffers/cache:        115        388
[02:58] <musashiden> Swap:          831          2        828
[02:58] <musashiden> i dont know 
[02:58] <musashiden> its still a bit laggy
[02:58] <musashiden> and sh is still kill my sstem
[02:59] <musashiden> system*
[03:00] <musashiden> something diferent this time tough, when kubuntu started up, a NVIDIA logo appeared up
[03:00] <musashiden> but i guess thats normal
[03:00] <thoreauputic> musashiden: normal and good I'd say
[03:01] <thoreauputic> also most of your swap is now free
[03:01] <apokryphos> looks better
[03:01] <thoreauputic> and your RAM situation is healthy
[03:01] <musashiden> i see
[03:01] <thoreauputic> in fact it's only using 115 MB effectively
[03:02] <thoreauputic> the firat line of free -m is misleading
[03:02] <thoreauputic> 8first
[03:02] <musashiden> thats solves that. now why is sh taking up so much ram?
[03:02] <thoreauputic> it isn't
[03:02] <musashiden> it is
[03:02] <thoreauputic> musashiden: you mean cpu?
[03:03] <musashiden> yah, cpu
[03:03] <thoreauputic> musashiden: erm - how much doeas "top" say it's using ?
[03:04] <musashiden> top?
[03:04] <thoreauputic> musashiden: type  top  in a terminal, and tell us what % "sh" is using
[03:04] <thoreauputic> top is a monitoring utility
[03:05] <musashiden> i c
[03:05] <musashiden> 10334 root      24   0  3932 1456 1000 S  9.4  0.3 169:11.89 sh
[03:06] <thoreauputic> root? 
[03:06] <musashiden>  PID USER      PR  NI  VIRT  RES  SHR S PU %MEM    TIME+  COMMAND
[03:06] <musashiden> 10334 root      25   0  3932 1456 1000 R 11.5  0.3 169:17.03 sh
[03:06] <musashiden>   743 root      15   0 56528  20m 3600 S  8.9  4.0   1:39.51 Xorg
[03:06] <musashiden> yah, root
[03:06] <thoreauputic> why is sh running as root ?
[03:06] <apokryphos> Should really use a root terminal unless you need to
[03:07] <musashiden> iam not using any root terminals
[03:07] <thoreauputic> musashiden: sudo pkill 10334  ( hope that doesn't do anything drastic *grin*)
[03:08] <musashiden> x.x
[03:08] <thoreauputic> musashiden: just try it and see what happens
[03:08] <musashiden> well i have nothing to loose anyways
[03:08] <thoreauputic> musashiden: you won't break your system
[03:08] <musashiden> lol, hope so
[03:08] <thoreauputic> it won't
[03:09] <thoreauputic> ah sorry
[03:09] <thoreauputic> type    sudo kill -9 10334
[03:10] <thoreauputic> (pkill uses the name not the number)
[03:10] <thoreauputic> musashiden: hello?
[03:10] <musashiden> iam here :P
[03:10] <thoreauputic> musashiden: did you type it?
[03:11] <musashiden> yes
[03:11] <musashiden> and it died
[03:11] <thoreauputic> musashiden: OK and?
[03:11] <musashiden> now Xorg is the system hogger at full capacity
[03:11] <musashiden>   PID USER      PR  NI  VIRT  RES  SHR S PU %MEM    TIME+  COMMAND
[03:11] <musashiden>   743 root      15   0 57004  20m 3600 S  8.5  4.1   2:22.01 Xorg
[03:12] <thoreauputic> musashiden: you mean Xorg is using 100% CPU ?
[03:12] <musashiden> forget the full capacity line :P
[03:12] <musashiden> i just meant is as powerful as before
[03:12] <thoreauputic> erm - that looks normal to me
[03:13] <thoreauputic> what does the top line of the command "w" show ?
[03:13] <thoreauputic> just  w  
[03:13] <musashiden> 21:13:40 up 1 day,  7:41,  1 user,  load average: 2.03, 2.26, 2.44
[03:14] <thoreauputic> hmm OK the load averages are prety high
[03:14] <musashiden> the only thing i have opened besides irc is amarok
[03:14] <thoreauputic> but appear to be going down a bit
[03:14] <thoreauputic> close amarok then
[03:14] <thoreauputic> and rerun   w
[03:14] <thoreauputic> give us the same output
[03:15] <musashiden>  21:15:10 up 1 day,  7:43,  1 user,  load average: 0.60, 1.75, 2.24
[03:15] <musashiden> no music for me i guess :P
[03:15] <thoreauputic> aha!
[03:15] <thoreauputic> amarok is the culprit
[03:15] <musashiden> but i didnt opened it until a while ago
[03:16] <thoreauputic> erm - the load average dropped as soon as you closed it
[03:16] <musashiden> i know, weird x.x
[03:16] <thoreauputic> is the desktop more responsive now?
[03:16] <musashiden> yup
[03:16] <thoreauputic> well - as I said, amarok is the problem then
[03:16] <musashiden> what was that command to test the graphic card?
[03:17] <apokryphos> amaroK is known to have had a potential memory leak
[03:17] <thoreauputic> so you want to play withthe config f amarok
[03:17] <thoreauputic> *of
[03:17] <musashiden> i guess so...
[03:17] <musashiden> but first
[03:17] <apokryphos> There's an open bug on it
[03:17] <musashiden> tell me that command line that test the graphic card
[03:17] <thoreauputic> musashiden: no guess involved - we've established the source of the trouble
[03:18] <musashiden> ok
[03:18] <musashiden> but tell me!
[03:18] <thoreauputic> musashiden: tell you what?
[03:18] <musashiden> whats the command line to test the graphic card, you know, the one that show 3 colored circles rolling around
[03:19] <thoreauputic> glxgears - but it isn't a benchmark at all
[03:19] <musashiden> it isnt?
[03:19] <thoreauputic> glxgears tells you very little
[03:19] <thoreauputic> except how well glxgears runs
[03:19] <musashiden> damn, is going really fast now. before it was going at 400, now its 245,032
[03:20] <musashiden> and it gets faster
[03:20] <thoreauputic> musashiden: because you reconfigured X properly
[03:20] <musashiden> yup, and is all thanks to you :)
[03:20] <thoreauputic> :)
[03:20] <thoreauputic> and apokryphos 
[03:20] <musashiden> and pokyphos
[03:20] <musashiden> i as about to type that :P
[03:20] <musashiden> was*
[03:21] <musashiden> err, apokryphos*
[03:21] <thoreauputic> musashiden: I suspect you need to fiddle with the configuration of amarok
[03:21] <musashiden> yuppers
[03:21] <thoreauputic> musashiden: so - now you have an idea how to troubleshoot your problems
[03:21] <musashiden> yes
[03:22] <thoreauputic> musashiden: but I think everything is pretty normal now
[03:22] <musashiden> yah
[03:22] <apokryphos> musashiden: nah, it was all thor 8)
[03:22] <musashiden> lol
[03:22] <musashiden> one thing tough
[03:23] <musashiden> how exactly configure amarok, in the normal options or?..
[03:23] <musashiden> some kind of special options?
[03:23] <thoreauputic> musashiden: I bow to apokryphos on the subject of KDE apps ;-)
[03:23] <musashiden> lol
[03:23] <musashiden> =P
[03:24] <apokryphos> musashiden: open it up, then Settings -> Configure amaroK. I recommend installing amarok-engines first if you don't have it, so you can switch to xine engine
[03:25] <musashiden> and i do that how?...
[03:25] <apokryphos> the same way you normally install packages on here =)
[03:25] <musashiden> kynaptic?
[03:26] <apokryphos> sure, you can use that
[03:27] <musashiden> i dont see amarok-engine packages
[03:28] <musashiden> you know where i could find them?
[03:30] <musashiden> err, nvm
[03:30] <apokryphos> !info amarok-engines
[03:30] <ubotu> amarok-engines: (output engines for the amaroK audio player), section universe/kde, is optional. Version: 2:1.2.3-1ubuntu4 (hoary), Packaged size: 0 kB, Installed size: 20 kB
[03:30] <thoreauputic> musashiden: the package is in "universe"
[03:31] <thoreauputic> *sigh*
[03:31] <thoreauputic> musashiden: a quick way to look for packages is " apt-cache search <keywords> "
[03:32] <thoreauputic> or   apt-cache search <general word> | grep <specific word>
[03:32] <musashiden> i c, thanks
[03:37] <musashiden> where the heck is the universe seccion?..
[03:38] <thoreauputic> !tell musashiden about repos
[03:43] <musashiden> one problem tough, i dont have synaptic, i have kynaptic
[03:44] <apokryphos> musashiden: edit your /etc/apt/sources.list and uncomment the line with "Universe"
[03:44] <apokryphos> then, sudo apt-get update && sudo aptitude install amarok-engines
[03:44] <musashiden> ok
[03:45] <thoreauputic> hopefully the kynaptic mess will be fixed in breezy...
[03:45] <apokryphos> thoreauputic: i.e. by being obliterated, indeed :D
[03:45] <musashiden> is breezy like a new version of hoary? or whats the difference?
[03:45] <thoreauputic> yes
[03:45] <musashiden> oh
[03:46] <apokryphos> thoreauputic: though I don't think adept is ideal /me ducks. Still, vastly better than kynaptic.
[03:46] <thoreauputic> musashiden: there's a new release of ubuntu/kubuntu every 6 months
[03:46] <musashiden> cool
[03:46] <thoreauputic> Breezy will release on about Oct 13
[03:47] <thoreauputic> apokryphos: heh - I'm so used to apt I hardly ever look at syanptic or kynaptic, to be honest
[03:48] <apokryphos> thoreauputic: same, but it's a pain for new users =)
[03:48] <thoreauputic> true
[03:48] <thoreauputic> although less of a pain than say slackware used to be ;)
[03:49] <thoreauputic> or worse. Red Hat
[03:50] <musashiden> whats apt?
[03:51] <thoreauputic> musashiden: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/index.en.html
[03:52] <thoreauputic> musashiden: Ubuntu uses apt ( like Debian)
[03:52] <thoreauputic> synaptic/kynaptic are just pretty faces for apt/ dpkg
[03:55] <musashiden> oh
[03:55] <musashiden> anyways, i installed the engines now
[03:56] <thoreauputic> musashiden: most linux apps have a commandline backend - and if they don't they should
[03:56] <othomas> hi all
[03:56] <musashiden> hi othomas
[03:57] <musashiden> wow, the xine engine worked
[03:57] <musashiden>  21:57:32 up 1 day,  8:25,  1 user,  load average: 0.96, 0.59, 0.64
[03:57] <musashiden> while running amarok
[03:58] <musashiden> thanks apokryphos
[03:58] <musashiden> and thoreauputic
[03:58] <apokryphos> excellent :)
[03:58] <thoreauputic> musashiden: looks like your troubles are over for the moment ;)
[03:58] <musashiden> yup
[03:59] <musashiden> now theres the whole deal on cedega wich i havent been able to figure out :P
[03:59] <thoreauputic> musashiden: we'll send the bill tomorrow ;-)
[03:59] <musashiden> rofl
[03:59] <musashiden> ill be waiting for it :P
[03:59] <thoreauputic> musashiden: ah - cedega we can't support sorry
[03:59] <musashiden> lol, it's ok, you all already helped enough
[04:00] <apokryphos> musashiden: could you add your experience (the problem you had) to the open bug?
[04:00] <thoreauputic> cedega is non-free and you will need to consult others - there may be a #cedega (don't know)
[04:00] <musashiden> there is, but they are as helpful as a potatoe sack
[04:02] <musashiden> ill be sitting there practically begging for help, and they just ignore
[04:05] <claydoh> try http://www.transgaming.org/forum/
[04:20] <delltony> hey guys
[04:21] <godzero> hi
[04:22] <delltony> anyone here happen to have a motorola v551 and use moto4lin by chance?
[04:22] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi
[04:23] <delltony> anyone know how to play 3gp files?
[04:23] <default> hello
[04:23] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi default
[04:23] <default> anyone know how to play from an ipod using amorok?
[04:23] <default> it's not picking up my pod
[04:24] <Kamping_Kaiser> default: had it picked it up in hte past?
[04:25] <default> no, i just installed kubuntu
[04:25] <godzero> deltony: I only see 1 on sourceforge, and it's for pocketpc
[04:26] <Kamping_Kaiser> default: is there a dir called /media/ipod?
[04:26] <apokryphos> default: mount it under /mnt/ipod
[04:26] <apokryphos> media could work too, but not totally sure (haven't tried)
[04:26] <default> oh ok thx!
[04:27] <godzero> deltony: all the rest are comercial
[04:27] <Kamping_Kaiser> apokryphos: its generaly put under media afaik
[04:27] <Kamping_Kaiser> because tis removeable
[04:28] <apokryphos> if it works, then gravy =)
[04:28] <Kamping_Kaiser> apokryphos: you still here from when i left?
[04:29] <apokryphos> Kamping_Kaiser: when was that? ;-)
[04:29] <Kamping_Kaiser> about 11 hours ago ;)
[04:31] <Kamping_Kaiser> o_0 is there a new emacs comeing out? 22?
[04:32] <apokryphos> Kamping_Kaiser: I've been out in between, I promise *g*
[04:32] <Kamping_Kaiser> heh. sure :P i think your chained to the monitor
[04:34] <apokryphos> and been having a lot of fun with Klik today, admittedly
[04:34] <Kamping_Kaiser> sunday? bastard. its monday here now :(
[04:36] <Kamping_Kaiser> has been for 12 hours and 6 minutes
[04:36] <apokryphos> ah, it is now, yeah.
[04:37] <apokryphos> Kamping_Kaiser: try out Klik! Very cool.
[04:37] <Kamping_Kaiser> what is it?
[04:39] <apokryphos> damn you dot.kde.org! Down AGAIN.
[04:40] <apokryphos> don't believe it
[04:40] <apokryphos> Kamping_Kaiser: http://klik.atekon.de/
[04:41] <delltony> mplayer i just found out plays 3gp so i'm good
[04:42] <delltony> now to find out how i can find the gain_table.bin file on my phone
[04:42] <delltony> so i can make the volume louder
[04:42] <delltony> i have moto4lin but don't see gain_tools.bin
[04:43] <delltony> aww there it is
[04:43] <godzero> have the devs done anything to speed up kde? It seems as fast as HH with prelinking.. or is it because I don't have too much on it yet?
[04:43] <Kamping_Kaiser> apokryphos: still not sure what it does ;)
[04:43] <godzero> delltony: cool
[04:43] <apokryphos> Kamping_Kaiser: the dot is up! One sec.
[04:44] <apokryphos> Kamping_Kaiser: much better explanation:
[04:44] <Kamping_Kaiser> k
[04:44] <apokryphos> ubotu: klick is http://dot.kde.org/1126867980/
[04:44] <ubotu> okay, apokryphos
[04:47] <Kamping_Kaiser> apokryphos: awsome :) now linux can have script kiddies as well ;)
[04:47] <apokryphos> hehe
[04:47] <apokryphos> it works well though, really
[04:47] <apokryphos> tried out loadsa apps today
[04:49] <Kamping_Kaiser> i might look at it another time. sounds neat though
[04:55] <dale> hi
[04:55] <othomas> hi dale
[04:56] <dale> hi
[04:59] <dale> hi every body
[04:59] <Phily> dale: Hello
[05:01] <dale> how r u?
[05:01] <Phily> dale great
[05:01] <dale> any poeple from philippines?
[05:02] <dale> Phily from what country r u?
[05:02] <Phily> canada
[05:02] <dale> ok
[05:02] <dale> u r using linux?
[05:03] <Phily> at windows at home linux
[05:03] <Phily> i meant at work windows
[05:03] <dale> can u discribe the linux kubuntu how to use?
[05:03] <dale> a ok
[05:04] <dale> ah ok
[05:04] <dale> can u discribe the linux kubuntu how to use?
[05:04] <Phily> dale: how to install
[05:05] <dale> i now already how to install, my problem is how to use
[05:05] <Phily> dale: the interface is almost like windows but more powerful
[05:05] <Phily> dale: r u in windows or linux noew
[05:06] <dale> do u mean that the linux is more powerful thatn windows?
[05:06] <Phily> dale: yep the kernel and the user interface UI
[05:06] <dale> ok
[05:07] <Phily> dale: what do you need help with
[05:07] <dale> i am using linux kubuntu here
[05:07] <dale> a cannot install an hp printer
[05:08] <Phily> dale: what is the model
[05:09] <dale> 1310 laserjet
[05:10] <orangey> hey all!
[05:10] <orangey> I'm having a kde problem.. everytime i start any (KDE) application, kmail also starts! Any ideas how I could troubleshoot this?
[05:11] <godzero> yep, that sounds like a problem
[05:11] <dale> can u help?
[05:12] <hussam> If I adjust the Date and time from inside KDE, do I need to reboot?
[05:12] <godzero> orangey: any from menu and taskbar?
[05:13] <orangey> huh?
[05:13] <Phily> r u sure its not inkjet
[05:13] <godzero> does it happen both when you launch from the k menu, and the quick launch buttons?
[05:14] <Kamping_Kaiser> hussam: i dont think so
[05:14] <hussam> I'm only going to adjust the time.
[05:14] <orangey> godzero: actually, it appears to only be when I run konversation or kopete..
[05:15] <Phily> dale: r u sure its not inkjet I can't find on goole the 1310
[05:15] <orangey> but yeah, from either kmenu or taskbar
[05:16] <dale> ok
[05:17] <Kamping_Kaiser> http://linuxprinting.org/show_printer.cgi?recnum=HP-LaserJet_1300 this one?
[05:17] <othomas> it's an all in one printer/copier/scanner..
[05:18] <othomas> not likely a driver is available
[05:18] <Phily> dale:  Have a look at http://www.linuxprinting.org/show_driver.cgi?driver=hpijs&fromprinter=HP-LaserJet_1320
[05:21] <Prodegy> Hello
[05:21] <Prodegy> can someone please tell me how to change the clock to 12 Hours only instead of 24 Hours
[05:21] <othomas> i have a Compaq A1500..it only prints in my dreams..LOL
[05:21] <Prodegy> where I have to tell 22
[05:22] <Kamping_Kaiser> bbl. doing stuff outside :O
[05:22] <Prodegy> Hello can someone tell me how to change the clock to 12 Hours only
[05:23] <godzero> orangey: http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=97764
[05:24] <Prodegy> Godzero can you tell me how to configure the clock to 12 Hours only?
[05:24] <godzero> prodgeny: right click clock | date & time format | time & dates | time format : pH:MM:SS AMPM
[05:24] <Prodegy> OK
[05:31] <dale> ty for that phily
[05:32] <Phily> welcome
[05:33] <dale> my another problem is how can i add a file, like a song on my harddisk drive
[05:34] <dale> or mp3s
[05:35] <Phily> dale: you mean like download mp3s or read them from your windows partitiion
[05:35] <dale> yes
[05:37] <dale> i have an extension hard drive it has an mp3s file
[05:37] <Phily> you have to mount yoyr windows partition
[05:37] <dale> a cannot add it to linux 
[05:38] <godzero> dale: usb?
[05:38] <dale> nop
[05:38] <godzero> ATA?
[05:38] <dale> its a dard
[05:39] <godzero> dard? what interface?
[05:39] <dale> its a darddisk drive
[05:40] <godzero> hard disk... k , but the communications... usb, firewire, ata ..?
[05:41] <godzero> is it inside or outside your computer?
[05:42] <godzero> dale : ???
[05:44] <narg> seems he darted away ;)
[05:46] <godzero> ;)
[05:48] <dale> sori 
[05:49] <dale> inside of the computer
[05:49] <dale> 40 gd
[05:50] <delltony> whats a good hex editor for kde?
[05:50] <dale> 40 giga hertz
[05:50] <dale> 40 giga
[05:51] <narg> khexedit or something like that
[05:51] <narg> exists at least
[05:51] <narg> never tried it myself
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[05:51] <dale> any body can help me
[05:52] <dale> i cannot install a winamp
[05:52] <dale> and i cannot a song or mp3s
[05:52] <crimsun> you don't need a winamp
[05:52] <dale> y?
[05:52] <crimsun> you can use amarok, juk, xmms, beep-media-player, or any other from a plethora
[05:53] <dale> ok
[05:53] <dale> but how to play it?
[05:53] <crimsun> how to play what?
[05:53] <dale> the music by using my extra harddrive
[05:54] <dale> or harddisk
[05:55] <dale> i have a harddisk that lots of songs but i cannot play it in linux
[05:55] <delltony> THANKS khexedit will work
[05:55] <godzero> dale ; I'm back
[05:55] <dale> the linux didnot recognize my darddrive
[05:55] <dontknow> maybe dales ? is related to a problem i have, when i try to open a mp3 in amarok i just get static
[05:56] <dontknow> why is this
[05:56] <dale> me too
[05:56] <godzero> no, dale needs to mount the drive first
[05:56] <dale> how to mount?
[05:56] <dontknow> i am running on a g3 imac
[05:56] <dale> what do u mean g3 imac?
[05:57] <thoreauputic> !tell dale about mountwindows
[05:57] <dontknow> well i just get static.... codecs?
[05:57] <pc22> hello
[05:57] <dale> sorry iam asking for that because this is my first time to use linux
[05:57] <godzero> dale: run "kwikdisk"
[05:57] <thoreauputic> !tell dontknow about mp3
[05:58] <godzero> kwik disk will help you mount disk drives
[05:59] <pc22> godzero: is it easier to setup samba in kubuntu?
[05:59] <dale> by using the run command?
[05:59] <godzero> dale: yes, it's also in the menu
[05:59] <godzero> saamba, it's not too hard
[05:59] <Phily> pc22, very easy just use kynaptic
[06:01] <dale> but when i click it the sentence says, "could ot run the specified command
[06:01] <dontknow> thoreauputic: thanks im looking it over, its not a big deal they work with xmms 
[06:01] <dale> but when i click it the sentence says, "could not run the specified command
[06:01] <godzero> dale: to install kwikdisk... type (in shell) "sudo apt-get install kwikdisk"
[06:02] <godzero> or kynaptic
[06:02] <thoreauputic> dontknow:  apt-cache search amarok-engines ; apt-cache show amarok-engines
[06:03] <thoreauputic> dontknow: you might want to use the xine engine with amarok
[06:03] <dale> ok kynaptic is now open, whats next?
[06:03] <Phily> dale: GO IN FIND AND TYPE SAMBA
[06:03] <Phily> sorry for the cap
[06:03] <thoreauputic> dontknow: the engines are in the universe repository
[06:03] <godzero> dale : in the menu, pick "search" type "kwikdisk"
[06:04] <dontknow> yeah its stalling right now argh
[06:04] <pc22> samba is installed
[06:04] <Phily> ok now in kds rigth click on folder you want to share
[06:05] <pc22> Phily, whats kds?
[06:05] <Phily> pc22: sorry in kde "komquoror" the file manager
[06:06] <Phily> right click on a folder and select proproties
[06:07] <godzero> dale: did it find it?
[06:07] <dale> my friends ty for the help, see you next tym a will go for now
[06:07] <dale> bye
[06:08] <dale> i cant find it
[06:08] <godzero> :) bye
[06:08] <othomas> cya dale
[06:08] <dale> ty
[06:08] <dale> ok
[06:08] <dontknow> has anyone here synced a pocket pc 
[06:10] <pedri2> morning all
[06:10] <pedri2> where can i get more icons specially for games
[06:10] <pc22> Phily, it says u need to be authorized to access
[06:11] <Phily> pc22, type in the sudo password
[06:13] <pc22> and then?
[06:14] <pc22> Phily, and then?
[06:15] <Phily> pc22, if the folder is shared and your winodws machine is on the network it should automatically see your folder
[06:19] <godzero> bed time
[06:25] <douglas> How do I launch firefox in safe mode, I installed a theme that it didn't like and now it crashes at startup?
[06:26] <pc22> Phily, how can i enable adminstrator root while in kde?
[06:27] <douglas> you mean, become superuser in the gui or in a terminal?
[06:27] <pc22> gue
[06:27] <pc22> gui
[06:27] <Phily> pc22, there is no need to be root
[06:28] <Phily> pc22, in kde control you can authorise yourself for some administration task
[06:28] <pc22> it is asking me
[06:28] <narg> otherwise, in konsole, just do sudo program
[06:28] <pc22> i cant share without being one
[06:28] <narg> and you run the program as root.
[06:29] <pc22> im so new with linux
[06:30] <pc22> what does it mean by hostname?
[06:30] <Phily> hallo
[06:31] <narg> possibly your machine name, depending on the context
[06:31] <pc22> ok machine name
[07:37] <Phily> hllo
[07:37] <Phily> teting
[07:47] <Phily> I'm listening to "(03) - I Remember You" by Diana Krall
[07:48] <Phily> I'm listening to "(03) - I Remember You" by Diana Krall
[08:03] <rr5050> Hello I have some questions about breezy features, can anyone help?
[08:04] <chavo> rr5050, maybe
[08:05] <Kamping_Kaiser> rr5050: you can only try :)
[08:05] <rr5050> i'm wondering if NTFS is suppose to work in breezy, I do have libntfs5 installed
[08:05] <chavo> you can read ntfs partitions
[08:06] <Kamping_Kaiser> using captiveNTFS you can write, but i hvent tried it
[08:06] <chavo> no me neither
[08:07] <Kamping_Kaiser> therse also 'ntfsprogs' or similr. use at your own risk
[08:08] <rr5050> I also have that installed, would you know the command, I typed "ntfsprogs" and it wasn't found
[08:09] <Kamping_Kaiser> try ntfs <tab>
[08:10] <chavo> they might be installed in /sbin also
[08:10] <chavo> which wouldn't be in your path
[08:11] <rr5050> could it just be this version "kubuntu breezy" ?
[08:14] <rr5050> I tried ntfs and nothing was found
[08:31] <after8> morning all
[08:45] <[square] > hi!
[08:46] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi square
[08:46] <after8> ciao fusta :D
[08:50] <[square] > after8: do you speak Italian?
[09:23] <Tm_T> good day
[09:25] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi Tm_T
[09:26] <Tm_T> hullo, what's up
[09:27] <Kamping_Kaiser> reading some fark.com. and up to date on email at last ;) only took 1.5 months
[09:30] <Tm_T> oooh
[09:33] <Tm_T> oh why, why!!
[09:34] <Tm_T> why all materials in school are doc, ppt etc
[09:34] <Tm_T> :'(
[09:34] <Kamping_Kaiser> hm. i wonder ;D
[09:35] <Tm_T> fucking idiots
[09:35] <_klerm> oi
[09:35] <Tm_T> THERE'S PLAIN TEXT!
[09:35] <Kamping_Kaiser> Tm_T: no one makes money that way  :(
[09:35] <Tm_T> 2mb file for three rows of text, faaaaaak
[09:36] <Kamping_Kaiser> rofl
[09:36] <Tm_T> Kamping_Kaiser: well, we are supposed to become it professionals, but hey, why our school is so fucking blind to anything else but MS !
[09:36] <Tm_T> hate it
[09:37] <Kamping_Kaiser> sure. i know the problem :)
[09:37] <Tm_T> they expect we all own winxp & MS office ] :=
[09:37] <Tm_T> "yeah, I have spare 300e"
[09:38] <Kamping_Kaiser> Tm_T: or a spare $500+ Aus
[09:38] <Tm_T> yup
[09:38] <Tm_T> idiocy
[09:41] <Tm_T> actually I don't know why I even be here
[09:42] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol. should be working?
[09:42] <Tm_T> I mostly know more than our overqualified teatchers
[09:42] <Tm_T> Kamping_Kaiser: well, if I got any job :/
[09:43] <Kamping_Kaiser> :/
[09:43] <Tm_T> but nooo, I need a piece of paper from here, sucky
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[09:43] <Kamping_Kaiser> yep. sounds familar :( *is putting off uni*
[09:47] <_florent> hello
[09:47] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi
[09:47] <Kamping_Kaiser> bbl ;)
[09:47] <eiko> what level do i boot up in to use bash? 3rd? and where do i change it again?
[09:47] <_florent> can you help me
[09:47] <_florent> just a question
[09:49] <_florent> eiko  at boot in grub menu edit line and add the number of the level you want to boot
[09:49] <_florent> a second
[09:49] <_florent> looking for an exemple
[09:50] <eiko> grub menu? whats that?
[09:50] <_florent> for exemple the original line is /vmlinuz-2.6.10-5-386 root=/dev/hdd4 ro quiet splash
[09:50] <Tm_T> you mean init level?
[09:50] <_florent> just add /vmlinuz-2.6.10-5-386 root=/dev/hdd4 ro quiet splash 3
[09:50] <Tm_T> I think 3 is correct
[09:50] <_florent> yep
[09:50] <Tm_T> afaik 5 is for X and 6 for shutdown(?)
[09:51] <_florent> if you've grub installed you'll find a menu.lst file in /boot/grub
[09:52] <_florent> don't suppress lines if you don't know what you do just add them
[09:53] <_florent> my question is are kde apps runable under gnome
[09:54] <Tm_T> _florent: yup
[09:54] <Tm_T> sort of
[09:55] <_florent> caus e i've got some problem with amarok and gnome
[09:55] <_florent> kio_http_debug: WARNING: (10212) Can't communicate with kded_kcookiejar!
[09:55] <_florent> kio (kioslave): WARNING: Can't communicate with kded_kpasswdserver!
[09:56] <[square] > I am trying to upgrade hoary to breezy, but when i do: startx. I have this problem. What can i do?
[09:56] <[square] > xsetroot: unable to open display ' '
[09:56] <[square] > xset: unable to open display ""
[09:56] <[square] > ksplash: cannot connect to X server
[09:56] <[square] > kdeinit: Aborting. $DISPLAY is not set.
[09:56] <_florent> you have to configure your Xserver
[09:56] <[square] > how?
[09:57] <_florent> xorgconfig
[09:57] <_florent> or xorgcfg
[09:57] <eiko> im so retarted i cant find where to change the boot number in the boot/grub/menu.lst file
[09:57] <_florent> for xorg server
[09:57] <_florent> don't know for xfree
[09:57] <[square] > i use x.org
[09:58] <Kamping_Kaiser> back
[09:58] <_florent> so try xorgcfg
[09:58] <[square] > ok. i go
[09:58] <eiko> were is the xorgcfg file located?
[09:58] <[square] > thanks
[09:58] <_florent> eiko do you have this file ? mean do you have grub installed
[09:59] <eiko> yes
[10:00] <particles> hi
[10:00] <_florent> ok ok
[10:00] <eiko> i found the xorg files can i change the boot level in there?
[10:01] <_florent> xorg wasn't for you but for an other guy on the tchat
[10:01] <_florent> ;
[10:01] <_florent> ;)
[10:01] <eiko> oh ha ha ha
[10:01] <eiko> sorry
[10:01] <eiko> im a little new at this
[10:01] <_florent> cat /boot/grub/menu.lst please
[10:02] <_florent> done ?
[10:02] <eiko> ya
[10:02] <eiko> what did that do?
[10:02] <_florent> ok
[10:02] <particles> hi
[10:02] <particles> anybody ther?
[10:02] <eiko> hi
[10:02] <_florent> as you can see lines starting with "#" are commented (don't active)
[10:03] <particles> hi
[10:03] <_florent> cat show you content of a file
[10:03] <eiko> yes
[10:03] <_florent> and you also see groups of lines strating like 
[10:03] <_florent> kernel
[10:03] <_florent> boot
[10:03] <_florent> ...
[10:04] <_florent> at the end
[10:04] <eiko> yes
[10:05] <_florent> thoose line tell grub where to boot the OSZ
[10:05] <_florent> OS
[10:05] <eiko> got it
[10:05] <_florent> your linux or windows if you have it installed
[10:05] <eiko> right now just linux on this computer
[10:06] <eiko> so i can make it boot in bash somewhere in here?
[10:07] <_florent> so you just have to edit the menu.lst with copying lines actually boot your linux and add 3 at the end of options line
[10:07] <_florent> like that 
[10:07] <eiko> oooh
[10:08] <_florent> just add /my linux root=/dev/hdaxx ro quiet splash 3
[10:08] <_florent> do you have msn ?
[10:08] <eiko> boot 3     like that
[10:08] <eiko> oh ok
[10:08] <eiko> cool
[10:08] <eiko> root=/dev/hda1 ro quiet splash 3 got it
[10:08] <eiko> thanks a milliion
[10:09] <eiko> im going to reboot
[10:09] <_florent> you're welcome
[10:09] <_florent> but wait
[10:09] <_florent> you can just test it if you want
[10:09] <_florent> when the computer boot
[10:10] <_florent> press esc at the grub load time
[10:10] <_florent> defaultis 3sec 
[10:10] <eiko> grrrrr it doesnt want me editing the menu.lst file
[10:10] <_florent> you have to be superuser
[10:10] <_florent> root
[10:11] <eiko> oh ya
[10:11] <eiko> ha ha ha
[10:11] <eiko> its been so long
[10:11] <_florent> :P
[10:13] <particles> hi
[10:13] <_florent> don't forget don't modify existing lines just add news
[10:13] <_florent> hi
[10:13] <_florent> hi particles
[10:13] <particles> hi
[10:13] <particles> too
[10:13] <particles> florent
[10:13] <particles> how r u?
[10:14] <_florent> fine fine
[10:14] <_florent> nice day today
[10:14] <_florent> no rain
[10:14] <_florent> :P
[10:14] <particles> its raining here
[10:14] <particles> asl
[10:14] <_florent> may i help you ?
[10:14] <particles> what?
[10:15] <_florent> think that if you're there that's because u'v got some trouble with your computer
[10:15] <particles> yup
[10:15] <_florent> wrong ?
[10:15] <particles> actually
[10:15] <_florent> lol
[10:15] <particles> im...........
[10:16] <particles> i dont know...........
[10:16] <particles> what happen?
[10:16] <particles> im confious..........
[10:16] <particles> i mean ............
[10:16] <particles> i mean its trouble
[10:16] <particles> i dont kow how to chat or what????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!????????????
[10:17] <eiko> is there a way to exit start x if you booted into it?
[10:17] <_florent> might difficult to help you without 
[10:17] <particles> hi hussam
[10:17] <hussam> particles: hello
[10:17] <_florent> eiko press Ctrl+Alt+F1
[10:18] <eiko> nice
[10:18] <_florent> then /usr/bin/kdm stop
[10:18] <particles> how r u hussam?
[10:18] <_florent> if you're using kde
[10:19] <eiko> bogus
[10:19] <eiko> i never set a root password
[10:19] <hussam> particles: fine, brb I have to reboot
[10:19] <_florent> lol
what?
[10:19] <_florent> you know how to ?
[10:20] <eiko> no ha ha ha
[10:20] <particles> hi after8..........
[10:20] <particles> how r u?
[10:20] <eiko> i used mandrake or mandriva linux for like a month and half about 9 months ago
[10:20] <eiko> im not good with this stuff
[10:20] <_florent> are you actually root logged ?
[10:20] <eiko> whats that?
[10:21] <after8> boing boing!!!
[10:21] <eiko> i need to buy a book on linux or something
[10:21] <eiko> any you recommend
[10:21] <_florent> try: su root please
[10:21] <after8> eiko> google :)
[10:21] <eiko> i need to get this stuff down
[10:21] <eiko> ya
[10:21] <eiko> google is awesome ha ha ha find almost anything
[10:22] <_florent> after8 hi
[10:22] <eiko> _florent: in the run command?
[10:22] <_florent> after8 got some trouble with amarok 
[10:22] <_florent> after8 can you help me ?
[10:22] <_florent> eiko always :P
[10:23] <_florent> eiko command lines, a way of life
[10:23] <after8> _florent> i can try.. ask away
[10:23] <eiko> it didn't do anything
[10:24] <_florent> after8 i try to launch it under gnome but have some trouble with DOCPserver
[10:24] <_florent> eiko show me what you did please
[10:25] <_florent> copy/past
[10:25] <eiko> went into run command              then typed               su root                      then pressed run
[10:26] <particles> hi
[10:27] <eiko> su root
[10:27] <particles> hi hussam
[10:27] <_florent> <eiko > look at the beggenig of your lines if your logged as normal user might start with Your_user_name$computer_name:
[10:28] <hussam> particles: sorry, you were going to ask something and I had to reboot
[10:28] <_florent> and if your logged as root start with root$computer_name:
[10:28] <eiko> im loged in as a normal user
[10:28] <eiko> eiko
[10:28] <particles> i see
[10:28] <_florent> ok
[10:28] <particles> ok
[10:28] <particles> i ahte this happening now
[10:28] <particles> i mean..........
[10:28] <particles> what is it?
[10:28] <_florent> su root
[10:29] <particles> grrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
[10:29] <_florent> sorry sorry
[10:29] <particles> su root?
[10:29] <_florent> just su
[10:29] <particles> hi  xxx 
[10:29] <particles> hi florent
[10:29] <particles> can i ask?
[10:30] <_florent> particles ....
[10:30] <particles> what it is?
[10:30] <particles> i mean happenng in this ???????????
[10:30] <eiko> typeing in su or su root doesnt do anything
[10:30] <particles> wat happens??????
[10:30] <eiko> i must be missing something
[10:30] <hussam> particles: what do you mean?
[10:31] <particles> in this??????
[10:31] <eiko> maybe i should just call it a night
[10:31] <hussam> particles: if you have a question, just ask.
[10:31] <eiko> or read on this stuff before i try to install flash ha ha ha
[10:31] <_florent> wait
[10:31] <particles> new programs??????????
[10:31] <particles> i ahte this.............
[10:32] <particles> its hard.............
[10:32] <particles> ur blocked.............hussam
[10:32] <_florent> did you succes editing the menu.lst before ? if yes you where a super user  (root) to do that 
[10:33] <eiko> _florent no i didn't so im logged on as a normal user
[10:33] <_florent> ok ok
[10:34] <_florent> try sudo kate /boot/grub/menu.lst
[10:34] <eiko> is that LST or iST
[10:34] <eiko> l right
[10:35] <eiko> Lright
[10:35] <particles> hussaam...........
[10:35] <eiko> well either way its not doing it :(
[10:35] <eiko> either im retarted or my run command thing is
[10:36] <_florent>         lol
[10:36] <eiko> most of the time i find its me
[10:37] <_florent> but there are lot of other ways to do what you want ( booting an other runlevel)
[10:38] <Samse> hi, may I pose a question? 
[10:38] <Tm_T> no, sit and listen
[10:38] <Tm_T> ;p
[10:38] <_florent> Samse yep
[10:39] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[10:39] <Samse> If I read somewhere "use cx88xx with option card=19" it means, I have to tell the kernel module cx88xx that it has to use that "card=19" option, right?
[10:39] <klerm> 
[10:39] <Samse> How to do this?
[10:40] <Tm_T> klerm: ok
[10:40] <eiko> if i want to open firefox-installer in bash do i just type the name if im in the folder?
[10:40] <_florent> Samse probably when you compile your kernel
[10:40] <Samse> lsmod shows, that the module is already loaded, only the "card=19" option is to be given and I don know how
[10:40] <eiko> i seem to remember typeing in rpm for stuff before or something like that
[10:41] <eiko> oh well
[10:41] <eiko> thanks florent
[10:41] <_florent> eiko yes 
[10:41] <Samse> eiko: you have to type ./firefox-installer - note the ./ for the "current directory"
[10:41] <eiko> ooooooooooooh
[10:42] <_florent> Samse sorry i don't know ...
[10:43] <Samse> eiko, what is bad about apt-get install mozilla-firefox ???
 apt-get whats that? i don't know to much about linux talk
[10:45] <Tm_T> apt <3
[10:45] <eiko> oh wait ha ha ha i ment flash
[10:45] <Samse> eiko definitely check it out, thats the way to install software on ubuntu, very easy and safe
[10:45] <eiko> sorry
[10:45] <Tm_T> very easy, damn powerful tool
[10:45] <Samse> ok, flash i dont need...
[10:45] <Tm_T> lifesaver
[10:50] <eiko> yes i got flash installed on firefox :) YYYYYYYYYYYYYAAAAY
[10:51] <jignesh> hi
[10:52] <_root> hi
[10:52] <eiko> hi
[11:12] <pc22> hello
[11:13] <pc22> sleeping?
[11:13] <after8> nope...
[11:14] <pc22> what time is it there?
[11:15] <pc22> after8, where from?
[11:16] <pc22> how do i edit grub
[11:16] <pc22> im on dual boot
[11:21] <pc22> be right back
[11:25] <forsaken_> I installed my kubuntu by ubuntu.. I installed Ubuntu as server.. then I installed kubuntu-desktop.. my repositories are all "us.ubuntu.com...." do i have to change it to "us.kubuntu...." ????
[11:25] <Kamping_Kaiser> forsaken_: no,dont
[11:25] <Kamping_Kaiser> kubuntu uses ubuntu repositries
[11:26] <Juerd> forsaken_: Kubuntu is roughly Ubuntu + KDE, -/- GNOME
[11:26] <Juerd> forsaken_: The base system is the same
[11:26] <forsaken_> right ;)
[11:27] <Juerd> I mean, ehm, Arrrh..
[11:27] <forsaken_> english is the only language?
[11:27] <Juerd> (Today be talk like a pirate day, arrghh!)
[11:27] <Juerd> forsaken_: Nut so, matey
[11:27] <forsaken_> I tried to change to portuguese (Pt-BR) but I didnt find it..
[11:28] <Juerd> That's pt_BR
[11:28] <Juerd> Not Pt-BR
[11:28] <forsaken_> whatever.. i didnt find :)
[11:28] <Juerd> Look for the right package to install
[11:28] <forsaken_> ok
[11:29] <forsaken_> damn it.. I have a 2.6.10-5-k7 kernel.. Im upgrading.. and its downloading 2.6.10-5-386 kernel... :/
[11:30] <Juerd> Strange it be.
[11:35] <after8> 386 kernel is the standard, works on all pcs kernel....
[11:35] <after8> never know, can be useful to have.
[11:35] <after8> Arrrrrrrrr matey
[11:37] <after8> kaiser oppression :D
[11:38] <Kamping_Kaiser> :D *pushes after8 onto the plank*
[11:38] <Kamping_Kaiser> eek
[11:38] <Juerd> What's ya eek'n 'bout, scum?
[11:38] <after8> cos i dont know what else to say, im stil sleepy
[11:39] <Kamping_Kaiser> Juerd: 'twas the haulin', for it did do me shirt in :o
[11:39] <after8> looool
[11:40] <after8> pieces of me, pieces of me
[11:40] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol.
[11:40] <Juerd> Kamping_Kaiser: 'nuff with the slap'n then, aye?
[11:41] <after8> pieces of me, pieces of me
[11:41] <Kamping_Kaiser> Juerd: sure, you drive an ard bargin', but 't shall be done
[11:42] <after8> what a lovely ensemble of feathers, and fancy swingin' swing thing in the cage... t'll be all the rage !!
[11:43] <after8> :D
[11:43] <after8> this is getting very silly :D
[11:43] <forsaken_> kate is crached ://
[11:43] <forsaken_> crashed
[11:43] <Juerd> That's a pity, but ye prolly deserved it!
[11:44] <Juerd> It be this century's keelhauling.
[11:44] <Kamping_Kaiser> after8: for sure, it be the day f'r it
[11:44] <after8> oh yeah.... mondays tend to make ppl go nuts.
[11:44] <after8> ARRRRRrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
[11:46] <Kamping_Kaiser> wb ml--
[11:46] <ml--> thanks
[11:47] <Kamping_Kaiser> :)
[11:47] <Kamping_Kaiser> and hallo fluffybunny_ :D
[11:47] <fluffybunny_> hello Kamping_Kaiser 
[11:47] <Kamping_Kaiser> :)
[11:48] <ml--> is it possible for two applications to use the sound card at the same time?
[11:48] <after8> ahoy fluffybunny_ mematey {p_)=
[11:48] <fluffybunny_> :)
[11:48] <ml--> my xmms compains alot when i use Kopete
[11:48] <fluffybunny_> ahoy mateys!
[11:48] <Kamping_Kaiser> ml--:  in theory yes, but it doesnt always
[11:49] <ml--> Kamping_Kaiser: is that a linux-thing or an k/ubuntu feature?
[11:49] <Kamping_Kaiser> ml--: linux thing
[11:49] <Kamping_Kaiser> afaik
[11:49] <ml--> ok. thanks.
[11:50] <fluffybunny_> how has everyone's International Talk Like A Pirate Day been?
[11:50] <after8> oh, it was an actual theme day???
[11:50] <after8> ARRRRRrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
[11:50] <fluffybunny_> did ye scabberous land-lubbers know there is a program that translates ye normal text into scurvy pirate talk?
[11:50] <Kamping_Kaiser> fluffybunny_: only been doing it for 10 minutes ;D and yes, after8 it is
[11:50] <after8> loooooool
[11:51] <fluffybunny_> arg, after8, ye be a mangy bilge rat - did ye not know this be an annual event?
[11:51] <after8> apt-arr gerrit [application] 
[11:51] <after8> nope, i thought everyone had just lost it... :)
[11:51] <fluffybunny_> \j #python
[11:51] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol after8
[11:52] <fluffybunny_> arg! damn forward and back slashes!
[11:52] <Kamping_Kaiser> nah, theres enogh dangerous beasties here without snakes ;)
[11:52] <fluffybunny_> Kamping_Kaiser: aye, but I mean to slay this beastie and hang its fangs on my cabin wall as a trophy
[11:52] <piecesOf8> arrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
[11:53] <Kamping_Kaiser> fluffybunny_: sure, me hopes sucha fluffy bunny can do such a feat.
[11:54] <piecesOf8> Arr, huntin' fer treasure. Gooold.... i scubbered a [bit] map thats says Xorg marks the spot.
[11:54] <piecesOf8> Arrrrr
[11:55] <Kamping_Kaiser> hm. "You last visited: 08-01-2005 at 07:09 PM"
[11:55] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[11:55] <Kamping_Kaiser> i havent been to ubuntuforums for a while :o
[11:58] <piecesOf8> Well, me hearties, lets see what crawled out of the bung hole
[11:59] <Kamping_Kaiser> this is almost #kubuntu-offtopic zone by now... 
[11:59] <sveri> hi everybody, does somebody know which port is used for the remote desktop connection?
[11:59] <piecesOf8> lol...
[11:59] <piecesOf8> er rdp, as in the windows client/server?
[11:59] <sveri> yes
[11:59] <kakalto> hleoe
[12:01] <piecesOf8> sveri> i'm mcse and i cant remember...
[12:01] <piecesOf8> checking !!
[12:01] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[12:02] <piecesOf8> by default 3389
[12:02] <sveri> i've already tried it, but that didnt do the trick
[12:03] <sveri> i think 5900 is the right one
[12:03] <piecesOf8> matey, arr there be a problem. It is w2K or w2k3, me land lubber?
[12:03] <piecesOf8> 5900 be for VNC
[12:03] <sveri> oh sry, i meant vnc and not rdp
[12:04] <piecesOf8> arrrrrrrr, me bilge rat ;)   no worries ;)
[12:04] <sveri> i am really sry about my mistake
[12:05] <piecesOf8> sveri> Ye'll have to walk the plank me little whippersnapper Arrrr!
[12:05] <piecesOf8> sveri> no probs, dont worry :)
[12:05] <fluffybunny_> I be havin' a nasty bit of problem with me KDE ... this problem will be driving me to the drink (not that I mind a bit o' grog): every time I boot and try to log in t' KDE, I have t' log in twice. The whole thing takes an age (about 10 min)
[12:05] <boga>  Auto starting KDE at startup gets me back to the KDM login manager...but If I start with a command prompt by issuing `startkde', it's Ok. Any help?
[12:06] <piecesOf8> fluffybunny_> LOL (no chance giving an anwser, too much creased up larfing!!!) arrrrr!
[12:09] <jeh> hi folks
[12:09] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi Jeh
[12:10] <jeh> anyone using breezy here? quite a few, i assume
[12:10] <Kamping_Kaiser> a few ppl do, yeh
[12:11] <Kamping_Kaiser> hm. where do ppl think i should look for a crash debug info? syslog?
[12:11] <jeh> we use hoary at home on a few machines. no problems at all apart from a few minor hiccups
[12:11] <jeh> what kind of crash?
[12:11] <piecesOf8> Arr, too much grog 'n' hoary can tell a story
[12:11] <Kamping_Kaiser> cpu, hdd, ram , swap usage hit 100% if a bout 30 seconds
[12:12] <jeh> maybe a swap storm?
[12:12] <kartug> hey all :D
[12:12] <Kamping_Kaiser> could be anything, but its the first time this laptop has done it
[12:13] <jeh> maybe acpi related?
[12:14] <nxv_> is there an easy way to lookup the translation of a word? eg mark it with the mouse and rightklick or use an shortcut?
[12:14] <kartug> hey got a bit of a dumb question...but whats the path to the linux kernel
[12:14] <nxv_> kartug: imo /usr/src/linux
[12:14] <kakalto> imo?
[12:14] <kartug> nope its not there...
[12:14] <Kamping_Kaiser> wouldnt afaik be better?
[12:14] <kartug> i checked but its empty
[12:14] <kakalto> yah
[12:15] <kakalto> in my opinion, it's there
[12:15] <kartug> only contains another dir called rpm
[12:15] <nxv_> kartug: it should link to ur kernel
[12:15] <kakalto> !!
[12:15] <ubotu> ! is, like, totally, what you add before a sentence to talk to me
[12:15] <nxv_> and normaly ther kernels are under /usr/src
[12:15] <Kamping_Kaiser> :D
[12:15] <kartug> yeah i checked there with ls -a as well
[12:15] <kartug> dunno why :s
[12:15] <Kamping_Kaiser> kernel sources are. kernels are in /boot
[12:15] <kartug> gimme a sec
[12:16] <jeh> kubuntu doesn't install the kernel sources by default
[12:17] <kartug> oh...
[12:17] <kartug> crap :
[12:17] <kartug> :p
[12:17] <jeh> no worries, it's easy to install
[12:17] <kartug> hehe ok im all ears :)
[12:17] <nxv_> apt-get install linux-source-2.6.10
[12:18] <jeh> you beat me to it
[12:18] <jeh> for once when i could've helped someone...
[12:18] <kartug> hehe sweet...thx to both of ya :D
[12:18] <nxv_> Jeh; it was teamwork u get an assist 
[12:19] <jeh> :)
[12:19] <nxv_> kartug: what are u trying to do with the sources?
[12:19] <jeh> that package however only installs an archive
[12:19] <kartug> i need it for vpnc
[12:19] <jeh> it has to be unpacked too before the sources are really accessible
[12:20] <kartug> jeh: your chance then :D...what do i need to do?
[12:20] <nxv_> may i?
[12:20] <jeh> ok :)
[12:20] <kartug> sure hehe
[12:20] <kartug> :)
[12:20] <nxv_> tar xvjf linux-source* in /usr/src
[12:21] <kartug> you sure??? cuz apt just unpacked them all
[12:21] <jeh> i had to do a symlink to get the nvidia drivers to compile
[12:21] <kartug> ah yeah
[12:21] <kartug> hehe
[12:21] <kartug> thc
[12:21] <nxv_> if it is unpakced
[12:21] <kartug> *thx
[12:21] <jeh> cd /src/src && ln -s linux-source-2.6.10 linux
[12:21] <bufalo73> hello
[12:22] <nxv_> Jeh: now u beat me
[12:22] <jeh> hi bufalo73 
[12:22] <jeh> nxv_: yeah!
[12:22] <bufalo73> I have a problem with my printer: I cancel al printing jobs, clean /var/spool/cups and restart cupsys but the printer still prints
[12:22] <jeh> the strange thing is that i couldn't get the nvidia drivers to compile before i had done a "partial compile" of the kernel sources
[12:23] <kartug> hmm...something went wrong with the untar lol...hold on i think i can fix that
[12:23] <jeh> the installation looked for a .version file (or similar) which isn't created until a compilation has been started
[12:23] <nxv_> Jeh: did u run configure?
[12:23] <jeh> nxv_: yes
[12:23] <kartug> nope...opps
[12:23] <nxv_> okay would have bin my first guess
[12:24] <kartug> no wonder its saying "no such file"
[12:24] <nxv_> kartug: what's up
[12:24] <jeh> nxv_: but, i also started the compilation after that, maybe configure would've been enough
[12:24] <jeh> bufalo73: maybe the printer has the pages cached in its own memory?
[12:24] <kartug> nxv_: its saying no such file on everything it tried to untar
[12:24] <jeh> bufalo73: try resetting the printer too
[12:24] <bufalo73> jeh, I've even unpluged it, but no change
[12:25] <kartug> nxv_: just flooding the console
[12:25] <nxv_> kartug: u said u have allready an untared dir
[12:25] <kartug> nxv_: nope...i thought it did...but it didnt
[12:25] <kartug> nxv_: only got the tarball
[12:25] <nxv_> u have a file linux-source-2.6.10.tar.bz2 in ur /usr/src/
[12:25] <jeh> but you have a file linux-source-2.6.10.tar.bz2?
[12:25] <nxv_> ?
[12:25] <kartug> nxv_: yup
[12:26] <jeh> cd /usr/src && tar jxf linux-source-2.6.10.tar.bz2
[12:26] <nxv_> cd /usr/src && tar xvjf linux-source-2.6.10.tar.bz2
[12:26] <nxv_> yes
[12:26] <nxv_> the v make it verbose
[12:26] <jeh> the "v" is just to see some output
[12:26] <nxv_> it shows u all it unpacks
[12:26] <nxv_> *smoking keyfinger*
[12:26] <nxv_> now who is faster ;p
[12:26] <jeh> it can take a while depending on the speed of the disk
[12:26] <kartug> nxv_: its still floodin the screen
[12:27] <jeh> kartug: with filenames?
[12:27] <kartug> nxv_: oh wait...got an idea
[12:27] <kartug> nxv_: says mkdir fails
[12:27] <kartug> nxv_: gonne try it with sudo
[12:27] <nxv_> kartug: do u have the right to write in /usr/src
[12:27] <jeh> kartug: yeah, has to be done as root...
[12:27] <kartug> hehe i totally forgot about that
[12:28] <jeh> or someone belonging to the "src" group
[12:28] <nxv_> with no rights it should finish even faster ;)
[12:28] <nxv_> here on my laptop it needs _only_ one minute to unpack. disk realy slow
[12:29] <kartug> sweet :)...thx to both of ya again...running smooth and steady :)
[12:31] <jeh> great
[12:32] <jeh> i wonder if pyqt has been fixed in breezy
[12:32] <jeh> or rather, pyuic
[12:32] <kartug> hmm...not my day today lol...now the make for the vpnclient failed :s
[12:34] <nikkia> heh, i have the mailbox of the devil!
[12:34] <nikkia> 'Junk Mail (666)'
[12:34] <jeh> evil
[12:34] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[12:35] <Kamping_Kaiser> all you need is for it to be your outlook mailbox ;)
[12:35] <jeh> quick, sacrifice a mouse
[12:35] <kartug> jeh: its not doing it :s....
[12:35] <jeh> kartug: what goes wrong?
[12:36] <kartug> jeh: its tossing a shitload of compiler errors
[12:36] <jeh> kartug: ah. i've never used vpn on linux, can't really help with that
[12:36] <jeh> of course, you could paste the errors on some paste server and maybe someone has a hint
[12:36] <kartug> hmm...guess im going with vpnc then...slightly different :p
[12:37] <jeh> http://rafb.net/paste
[12:37] <kakalto> iwpwsusa.
[12:37] <jeh> kakalto: time to change that password now
[12:38] <kakalto> not a password, an acronymp
[12:38] <kakalto> *acronym
[12:38] <kakalto> it stands for
[12:38] <kakalto> I Wish People Would Stop Using Stupid Acronyms.
[12:39] <nikkia> pptp, even
[12:39] <kartug> nikkia: needs to be cisco copmatible :s
[12:39] <kartug> nikkia: is it?
[12:39] <nikkia> kartug, dunno, pptp is just ppp encapsulated in tcp/ip
[12:40] <nikkia> so probably not, that'd be far too close to an open standard for cisco :P
[12:40] <kartug> :p
[12:40] <kartug> ok im gonne try to get vpnc to work
[12:49] <kartug> hey one more thing...how do i get root access in "system settings"...need to activate my eth1
[12:49] <kartug> wont work with my passw :s
[12:50] <kartug> or how would i just be able to set a root passw to use...was something like su 
[12:58] <sveri> in which package can i find make-jpkg?
[12:59] <aftertaf> java-package
[01:00] <aftertaf> apparently... i did an apt-cache search
[01:01] <sveri> thank you very much, i searched too, but it didn't find anything
[01:01] <StarScream> anyone know if  sleep work on the ibooks again in breezy ?
[01:01] <sveri> ok, because it cant find java-package
[01:02] <aftertaf>  java-package: (utility for building Java(TM) 2 related Debian packages), section multiverse/misc, is optional. Version: 0.23 (hoary), Packaged size: 18 kB, Installed size: 264 kB
[01:02] <aftertaf> multiverse....
[01:02] <aftertaf> you need to add the word multiverse to each deb url that has universe.... in your sources.list
[01:02] <thoreauputic> aftertaf: You know that ubotu lives here too?
[01:03] <sveri> ok, i'll try that, thx
[01:03] <thoreauputic> !good bot
[01:03] <ubotu> :)
[01:03] <aftertaf> arrr
[01:03] <aftertaf> oh yeah, he didnt reply before cos i perr disconnected, matey
[01:04] <aftertaf> s/perr/peer
[01:04] <aftertaf> !shiver me timbers
[01:04] <ubotu> aftertaf: Are you on ritalin?
[01:04] <aftertaf> arrrrrr
[01:04] <thoreauputic> aftertaf: sommething has to be done about those peers - always reconnecting/disconnecting us plebs
[01:05] <sveri> aftertaf: thank, now i have it
[01:05] <aftertaf> s'cool ;)
[01:05] <aftertaf> i'll give me proxy a taste o' me cutlass
[01:06] <lyzter> hi
[01:06] <lyzter> piol
[01:07] <lyzter> pipol
[01:07] <aftertaf> ppl
[01:07] <lyzter> hirap ng sofware now
[01:07] <aftertaf> :)
[01:07] <lyzter> from wer u??
[01:08] <aftertaf> arrrr i be in france, matey.
[01:08] <lyzter> ahhh
[01:08] <lyzter> too far
[01:08] <aftertaf> not from here, skipper ;)
[01:08] <lyzter> ahhh
[01:08] <lyzter> now wers ur location??
[01:08] <lyzter> lolz
[01:09] <kakalto> hey, it's international speak-like-a-pirate day today aye?
[01:09] <aftertaf> arrrrrr, i be in a town in france, landlubbers everywhere ahoy ARrrr!!!!  
[01:09] <kakalto> yarr!
[01:09] <lyzter> ur gender wat??
[01:10] <aftertaf> i'm a pirate, arr.
[01:10] <lyzter> wat it means\||||||
[01:11] <lyzter> nonsense
[01:11] <lyzter> lolz
[01:11] <lyzter> jejeje
[01:11] <aftertaf> wtf?
[01:11] <thoreauputic> aftertaf: ye be not disguised in yer black cape and sea boots, Billy Gates!
[01:11] <thoreauputic> I know  thee from afar!
[01:12] <lyzter> yep i know
[01:12] <aftertaf> </nixon mode>
[01:12] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[01:12] <thoreauputic> haha -indeed Mr President
[01:13] <aftertaf> yarrrr apokryphos ahoy there :D
[01:13] <apokryphos> Aloha
[01:14] <aftertaf> ^^hawaiian pirate?
[01:14] <thoreauputic> apokryphos: this be national pirates day, it appear, matey!
[01:14] <apokryphos> today's the day? Arr.
[01:14] <kakalto> Arr, 'tis almsost over, yarr.
[01:15] <apokryphos> I definitely need a hook
[01:15] <aftertaf> kakalto:  not for GMT lubbers arr!
[01:16] <thoreauputic> (multi tasking and skilling)
[01:16] <kakalto> arr, i need more practice.
[01:17] <Lupin__III> hi all
[01:18] <Lupin__III> i'm trying to upgrade to breezy
[01:18] <apokryphos> Hi there
[01:18] <apokryphos> ubotu: tell Lupin__III about upgrade2breezy
[01:18] <kakalto> shiver me timbers, it's Lupin__III 
[01:18] <Lupin__III> :)
[01:19] <Lupin__III> i now have hoary with backports enabled
[01:19] <Lupin__III> what about breezy bacports?
[01:20] <apokryphos> thoreauputic: heh
[01:20] <thoreauputic> Lupin__III: how do you backport to something that hasn't happened yet ?
[01:21] <thoreauputic> apokryphos: *wink*
[01:21] <Lupin__III> mmm that's why i get an error :-)
[01:21] <apokryphos> Lupin__III: if you check that link, it provides you wth an example sources.list
[01:22] <thoreauputic> Lupin__III: you are in the midst of the temporal bug : known issue I'm afraid
[01:22] <apokryphos> though all you need to get going is deb http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu breezy main restricted universe multiverse
[01:22] <Lupin__III> that's all?
[01:22] <ml--> is it possible to enable backports in breezy?
[01:22] <Lupin__III> packages like flash, java etc. are there?
[01:23] <apokryphos> No..
[01:23] <apokryphos> I mean, wait, yes :D. Java is in Multiverse now
[01:23] <thoreauputic> methinks there is confusion about the difference between "extras" and "backports"
[01:23] <apokryphos> as is flashpayer (it always was, too)
[01:23] <apokryphos> Yes
[01:24] <apokryphos> thoreauputic: particularly since the original backports was extras
[01:24] <thoreauputic> heh
[01:24] <wildman> hello *
[01:24] <aftertaf> ubotu:  tell Lupin__III about International Speak Like A Pirate Day
[01:25] <apokryphos> ml--: read up -- breezy hasn't been released yet. A backport can't exist for something that isn't out :P
[01:26] <Lupin__III> so, adding deb http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu breezy main restricted universe multiverse is enough to upgrade my system with java, flashplayer and so on?
[01:26] <aftertaf> !SLAP_Day
[01:26] <ubotu> well, slap_day is Arrrrr, speak like a pirate matey, or something
[01:26] <apokryphos> Lupin__III: Blackdown java, yes indeed. 
[01:26] <apokryphos> Lupin__III: though you might want to add deb-src too etc
[01:27] <ml--> apokryphos: ok, so is it possible to add "extras" then?
[01:27] <Lupin__III> yes, i mean that repository
[01:28] <Kamping_Kaiser> either ubuntuforums have changed stuff or im an idiot
[01:28] <nalioth> howdy
[01:28] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi nalioth
[01:28] <apokryphos> ml--: yes, but bear in mind extras is for Hoary. Some things may not work
[01:29] <ml--> apokryphos: ok, so there is no official extras-server for breezy yet?
[01:29] <apokryphos> Correct
[01:29] <ml--> ok, i see. thank you.
[01:29] <Lupin__III> thank you all
[01:29] <apokryphos> ml--: though, mind you, most of the good stuff has been taken out of extras
[01:30] <ml--> apokryphos: and theyve been placed in..?
[01:30] <apokryphos> They haven't. They were taken out for legal reasons
[01:30] <aftertaf> boo
[01:30] <ml--> oh, ok
[01:33] <ml--> apokryphos: is it possible to search an "old" extras-server? im looking for an ftp-client that supports tls. ive found one called "Kasablanca" which looks nice in the screenshots. However, i cant find it in my current apt-get setup.
[01:33] <aftertaf> ml--:  looked in sourceforge?
[01:33] <apokryphos> Nope, it's not. Though extras wouldn't have that anyway
[01:35] <aftertaf> http://kasablanca.berlios.de/
[01:36] <kakalto> I hope you appreciate the irrelevance of the lemon.
[01:41] <ml--> aftertaf: yes, but i wanted to go the ubuntu-way and use apt-get if possible.
[01:41] <aftertaf> ml--:  arrrrrrr
[01:42] <aftertaf> make a deb and contact the coder behind kasablanca ;)
[01:43] <kakalto> ahoy
[01:46] <ml--> aftertaf: if you can point me to a "make a deb tutorial" id be happy to. it sure looks like a nice ftp-client.
[01:47] <thoreauputic> ml--: not official Debian but --> http://www-128.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/library/l-debpkg.html
[01:48] <aftertaf> ahoy srcTodeb link matey :)
[01:49] <thoreauputic> ml--: however, another way (compromise) is to compile it and install with checkinstall, which makes a deb ( but not a "proper" one - just a "local" one)
[01:50] <thoreauputic> ml--: I use checkinstall here (for instance I made a deb of fluxbox 0.9.14)
[01:51] <aftertaf> im gonna try the holy trinity
[01:51] <kakalto> btw, is kopete fixed now?
[01:51] <kakalto> a while ago it was screwy
[01:52] <aftertaf> kakalto:  still seems ungood 
[01:52] <apokryphos> nope, it's fine
[01:52] <apokryphos> upgrade to 3.4.2
[01:52] <kakalto> but it doesn't support gtalk, aye?
[01:52] <apokryphos> !kde342
[01:52] <ubotu> kde342 is, like, at http://kubuntu.org/hoary-kde-342.php
[01:52] <nalioth> checkinstall, mmmmmmmm
[01:52] <apokryphos> kakalto: you mean the google jabber?
[01:52] <apokryphos> course it does
[01:52] <kakalto> jah
[01:53] <kakalto> I tried it a little while ago, it didn't work >.<
[01:53] <apokryphos> I think it needed fiddling, but it does work; many mentioned in #kde some time ago
[01:53] <kakalto> ohk
[01:54] <ml--> ..or maybe you know of another good ftp-client with tls-support?
[01:54] <ml--> kftpgrabber looks nice. http://kftpgrabber.sourceforge.net
[01:55] <aftertaf> id like one that can get thru a http proxy
[01:55] <kakalto> thanks apokryphos 
[01:56] <kakalto> ye have a good slap day, matey!
[01:56] <kakalto> yarr.
[02:00] <pc22> people sleeping?
[02:00] <aftertaf> arrrr
[02:01] <_pavel> hello . anyone have tried to install oracle client ?
[02:08] <ml--> thoreauputic: is checkinstall in ubuntu by default?
[02:09] <thoreauputic> ml--: it's in the universe repository
[02:09] <thoreauputic> !info checkinstall
[02:09] <ml--> i cant check in kynaptic since it has crashed - again
[02:09] <ubotu> checkinstall: (installation tracker), section universe/admin, is optional. Version: 1.5.3-3 (hoary), Packaged size: 34 kB, Installed size: 132 kB
[02:09] <thoreauputic> ml--: do you have universe enabled?
[02:09] <ml--> yes. ill install from the terminal window
[02:10] <thoreauputic> ml--: yes, just do sudo apt-get install checkinstall  (it's a very small package)
[02:10] <ml--> "E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)"
[02:10] <ml--> gotto reboot i think
[02:10] <thoreauputic> ml--: no
[02:10] <thoreauputic> ml--: do you have kynaptic running?
[02:12] <ml--> it crashed
[02:12] <ml--> i killed the process manuall
[02:12] <ml--> ..manually now
[02:12] <thoreauputic> ml--: pgrep kynaptic says nothing now ?
[02:12] <thoreauputic> if it is dead you should be able to do apt-get
[02:12] <ml--> correct
[02:12] <ml--> yes
[02:12] <ml--> done
[02:13] <thoreauputic> OK
[02:14] <p0> Have anyone tried to install oracle client?
[02:14] <othomas> hi all
[02:15] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi othomas
[02:15] <Kamping_Kaiser> hows it going?
[02:17] <othomas> hi Kamping_Kaiser : still here, or here again?
[02:17] <othomas> good ty
[02:17] <Kamping_Kaiser> still here
[02:17] <othomas> you?
[02:17] <Kamping_Kaiser> *shrug* iv been worse
[02:17] <wildman> bye all
[02:17] <Kamping_Kaiser> later Wil
[02:17] <Kamping_Kaiser> wildman: 
..glad to here not a *total* bad monday
[02:18] <othomas> here=hear too
[02:18] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[02:18] <Kamping_Kaiser> monday was good. when it hit evening things started to go down hill :/
[02:19] <othomas> ewww..well you brb'd to do yard work and that was last I saw of you..LOL
[02:21] <othomas> I ended up hitting the bed about 1 a.m. and saw only darkness till 6 a.m.
[02:22] <Kamping_Kaiser> heh
[02:23] <othomas> Kamping_Kaiser, : the heat and humidity goes on here..can't wait for fall..course I am sure I'll complain about the cold later..LOL..no end to the whining!
[02:24] <Kamping_Kaiser> othomas: where is "here"?
[02:26] <Juerd> arrr, why are ye not talking like them pirates?
[02:28] <ml--> why do i get this error when trying to ./configure: "checking for C compiler default output file name... configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables"
[02:28] <apokryphos> ml--: sudo aptitude install build-essential
[02:28] <aftertaf> !SLAP_day
[02:28] <ubotu> slap_day is probably Arrrrr, speak like a pirate matey, or something
[02:29] <pc22> how do i edit my grub?
[02:30] <aftertaf> gedit /boot/grub/menu.list
[02:30] <Juerd> othomas: www.parrotcode.ogr
[02:30] <Kamping_Kaiser> pc22: with a kniffe :)
[02:30] <Kamping_Kaiser> aftertaf: that would be kate?
[02:30] <othomas> lol juerd
[02:30] <Kamping_Kaiser> ;)
[02:30] <Juerd> ehm
[02:30] <Juerd> othomas: www.parrotcode.org
[02:31] <aftertaf> hehe Kamping_Kaiser :)
[02:34] <aftertaf> arrrrrrrrrrrrr time for a cigarette
[02:34] <Kamping_Kaiser> http://bash.org/?40948 you know the sadest thing about this quote? the quote mentioned (7755) now exists ;)
[02:36] <hussam> I'm having a problem with breezy. kicker keeps crashing on logout. here is the stack trace: http://pastebin.com/367974
[02:36] <hussam> anybody here on breezy getting a kicker crash on logout?
[02:37] <hussam> I remember this was a bug that was fixed in kde 3.4.2 but I still see it here.
[02:38] <othomas> hussam: breezy won't install here..but live cd works well..only problem is sound..
[02:38] <apokryphos> othomas: won't install? What's the error?
[02:39] <othomas> apokryphos, it checks the HDD and hangs on the USB drive..81 gig Maxtor
[02:39] <apokryphos> othomas: Ctrl+C?
[02:40] <hussam> I got this crash as well with the kde 3.4.2 for hoary and it still happens on Breezy.
[02:40] <apokryphos> hm
[02:41] <othomas> hussam: hoary has treated me very well..so I am content to wait for breezy to get settltd a bit..:)
[02:42] <othomas> my spelling is fun, huh?
[02:42] <hussam> othomas: but this bug was on hoary as well
[02:42] <othomas> lol
[02:43] <hussam> apokryphos: I had reported my bug here: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=12096 . According to kde.org changelog for kde 3.4.2, it is fixed in kde 3.4.2 but kicker still crashes every logout even after I upgraded to breezy.
[02:44] <hussam> apokryphos: are you on breezy?
[02:44] <apokryphos> the kicker crash was an issue, and was in 3.5 alpha, but it's apparently fixed now.
[02:44] <Flying_Eagle> hussam, how did your dist-upgrade went?
[02:44] <Flying_Eagle> (hi btw...)
[02:44] <apokryphos> Yeah, breezy
[02:45] <hussam> Flying_Eagle: excellent. It's as stable as hoary.
[02:45] <Pyf> ive just installed a new hard drive, ive mounted it to a folder but when i try and copy a file to that folder it says i dont have permission, also when i try to change the owner of the folder it says operation not permitted....
[02:45] <Pyf> what have i done wrong?
[02:45] <Flying_Eagle> nice
[02:46] <hussam> apokryphos: if a fix is in kde 3.5, can we checkin the fix into breezy's kde 3.4.2 ?
[02:46] <Flying_Eagle> pyf, you have to edit your /etc/fstab or create a folder in the mounted folder, there you can chown/chmod as you like
[02:46] <Flying_Eagle> the folder, where you mount devices, cant be chmoded directly
[02:48] <Pyf> how do i create a folder in the mounted folder
[02:48] <Pyf> coz it wont let me :(
[02:49] <hussam> hussam: is there any workaround for the crash?
[02:49] <othomas> Pyf ganna have to have root priv to do that
[02:49] <Pyf> othomas, so how would i create the folder in the terminal?
[02:50] <hussam> apokryphos: sorry, is there any workaround for the crash? does it have to do with /tmp or anything like that?
[02:51] <othomas> mdir should be mkdir..sorry
[02:52] <Pyf> othomas,  hmmm, so ive made the folder in the mounted folder, but i still cant write to that folder, or change permissions of it
[02:53] <hussam> Riddell: are you there?
[02:54] <apokryphos> hussam: sorry, back now
[02:54] <apokryphos> hussam: I'm not sure it was *that* prevalent in 3.4, but if you're experiencing it..
[02:55] <apokryphos> hussam: it's best to wait n' see, since you do have a bug report opened
[02:56] <hussam> apokryphos: according to http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=106922 , the fix is in svn but did not make kde 3.4.2
[02:56] <Pyf> Flying_Eagle, errr how would i edit my /etc/fstab file, at the mo ive got it so the hda1 line and hdb1 line are basically the same but with different mount points, is this wrong?
[02:57] <aftertaf> odd thing.i installed xfce & gnome, for testing purposes.... and since i did, when i boot or restart kdm i go automatically into gnome.... I sice removed gnome. Pah!!! and now i boot into xfce... why doesn't kdm give me the choice?????
[02:57] <apokryphos> hussam: wow, a popular one.
[02:57] <hussam> apokryphos: I know it is harmless crash since it happens at logoff and not login, but it gets pretty annoying when it happens every single time.
[02:58] <hussam> apokryphos: 130 votes http://bugs.kde.org/votes.cgi?action=show_bug&bug_id=106922
[02:58] <apokryphos> it mentions the workaround there, no?
[02:59] <hussam> apokryphos: not sure but some people said closing systray items before logoff helped
[03:00] <apokryphos> it mentions optional menus
[03:00] <hussam> apokryphos: I didn't quite get that. what are "optional menus"?
[03:01] <apokryphos> hussam: configure panel -> layout -> [menus] 
[03:02] <Riddell> hussam: hi
[03:02] <hussam> so I should press default under Layout -> Menus ?
[03:02] <apokryphos> yup, go for it
[03:03] <othomas> then reboot..<grin>
[03:03] <hussam> Riddell: hi, is it possible to backport the fix here http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=106922 to breezy?
[03:04] <hussam> Riddell: I'm getting that crash everytime I logoff and according to the bug, the fix is in svn but didn't make kde 3.4.2
[03:05] <othomas> hi mornfall
[03:05] <mornfall> hello
[03:06] <othomas> another great day..:)
[03:06] <aftertaf> yeah back in kde
[03:09] <hussam> Riddell: according to this comment http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=106922#c31 , it is in hoary's kde 3.4.2 but I also see it in breezy
[03:11] <Riddell> hussam: have you tried compiling 3.4 SVN kicker to see if it fixes?
[03:12] <hussam> Riddell: not really.
[03:13] <aftertaf> hi mornfall 
[03:13] <aftertaf> just noticed sth in adept mornfall .... when editing repositories
[03:14] <aftertaf> you know you can click and type to change url etc.....?
[03:14] <mornfall> right
[03:14] <mornfall> that's the idea :)
[03:14] <aftertaf> well the last bit (universe, main, etc...) cant be edited
[03:14] <mornfall> huh?
[03:14] <mornfall> that sucks :)
[03:15] <aftertaf> yeah i know ;)
[03:15] <Kamping_Kaiser> what cant edit what?
[03:17] <mornfall> brb
[03:17] <aftertaf> hehe morn ;)
[03:17] <douglas> The new 5.10 preview has a boot up splash screen which still shows the progress of booting, how does one enable such a screen?
[03:17] <aftertaf> douglas:  upgrade to breezy ;)
[03:18] <douglas> I did.
[03:18] <douglas> and it's still not there.
[03:18] <aftertaf> did u reboot? (silly question)
[03:18] <douglas> yes
[03:18] <Kamping_Kaiser> douglas: make sure grub has no 'vga=' lines
[03:18] <Kamping_Kaiser> aftertaf: how would he know its missing without reboot?
[03:18] <aftertaf> arrrrrrrrrr
[03:19] <hussam> Riddell: I'm getting timeouts when I try to checkout kde from svn. I'm behind a proxy server.
[03:19] <Kamping_Kaiser> and make sure you have a 2.6.12 (iirc) and over kernel. not just an upgraded 2.6.10
[03:19] <douglas> Kamping_Kaiser: You mean in my menu.lst?
[03:19] <Kamping_Kaiser> douglas: yes
[03:19] <hussam> Riddell: I'm getting this message: svn: Can't connect to host 'anonsvn.kde.org': Connection timed out
[03:20] <douglas> Kamping_Kaiser: nope, nothing.
[03:20] <Kamping_Kaiser> hm. ok
[03:20] <douglas> Is there a package for it?
[03:21] <Kamping_Kaiser> douglas: no, its part of teh new kernels. 
[03:21] <Kamping_Kaiser> are you running a new kernel? or an upgraded old kernel?
[03:21] <douglas> ok, I'm running 2.6.12
[03:21] <Kamping_Kaiser> that should iirc have it
[03:21] <douglas> hrm...
[03:22] <hussam> brb,
[03:22] <douglas> so you guys just changed your sources.list and changed everything to breezy, and now you have a splash?
[03:22] <Kamping_Kaiser> yep
[03:23] <douglas> damn
[03:23] <douglas> This sucks
[03:23] <Kamping_Kaiser> title           Ubuntu, kernel 2.6.12-8-386
[03:23] <Kamping_Kaiser> is my kernel
[03:24] <douglas> same one.
[03:24] <douglas> I run kubuntu though.
[03:24] <douglas> however this is the kubuntu channel
[03:24] <aftertaf> douglas: try reupdating apt surces and apt-get upgrade, apt-get dist-upgrade and apt-get install -f
[03:24] <hussam> apokryphos: that workaround does indeed work
[03:24] <douglas> ok.
[03:24] <apokryphos> hussam: excellent
[03:25] <aftertaf> ubuntu is kubuntu..... just with kde instead of gn00b
[03:25] <Kamping_Kaiser> o_0
[03:26] <aftertaf> anyone using nvidia restricted package drivers on breezy?
[03:26] <douglas> In console, is there a keyboard shortcut to making a new tab?
[03:26] <douglas> er Konsole.
[03:26] <hussam> aftertaf: yes me
[03:26] <aftertaf> im on nv open source drivers and my screen is a bit skewy
[03:26] <aftertaf> hussam:  the nvidia ubuntu packages? they work ok?
[03:26] <Juerd> aftertaf: That's a free extra
[03:26] <douglas> you should just use the actual nvidia drivers.
[03:27] <hussam> aftertaf: they work perfectly. :)
[03:27] <aftertaf> douglas:  on breezy i can't, says error compliling kernel module na na na
[03:27] <douglas> especially since they are an ubuntu package.
[03:27] <douglas> um...
[03:27] <douglas> damn
[03:27] <douglas> well what are the actual error.
[03:27] <aftertaf> douglas:  the package you apt-get? and not the NVIDIA.run binaries.??
[03:27] <douglas> s
[03:27] <douglas> yea
[03:27] <douglas> you can apt-get a package
[03:27] <aftertaf> oki. i'll give em a whirl
[03:27] <douglas> nvidia-kernel something.
[03:27] <aftertaf> when i get home
[03:28] <douglas> just do apt-cache search nvidia!
[03:28] <hussam> aftertaf: I'm using nvidia driver though apt-get
[03:28] <aftertaf> yeah thats the baby... i had pbs with that pkg in hoary, so i used NVIDIA binaries
[03:28] <douglas> oh :(
[03:28] <aftertaf> i'l give it a bash........ (no shell pun intended)
[03:28] <douglas> hah
[03:28] <douglas> oi
[03:28] <hussam> aftertaf: you want to reinstall from .run installer?
[03:29] <aftertaf> i'm upping to breezy right now on my laptop...
[03:29] <aftertaf> hussam:  i wanted to, but ill try the package instead...... what do you put in module in xorg when you use the nvidia package?
[03:30] <hussam> aftertaf: ubuntu's nvidia driver package works for me. change driver in xorg.conf from "nv" to "nvidia"
[03:30] <aftertaf> oki
[03:30] <aftertaf> and i'll do a NVIDIA.run --uninstall too ;)
[03:30] <douglas> yarg
[03:31] <hussam> aftertaf: but apt-get install restricted modules and nvidia-glx AFTER you NVIDIA.run --uninstall
[03:31] <aftertaf> yep
[03:31] <douglas> Man, they do so many updates daily to breezy
[03:31] <douglas> It's freakin' sweet
[03:31] <aftertaf> right way anda wrong way......
[03:32] <aftertaf> douglas:  yep.... we'real gonna get reported by our ISP for pirating.
[03:32] <aftertaf> ARRRRRRRRRrrrrrrrrrrrr
[03:32] <douglas> hehe
[03:32] <aftertaf> !slap_day
[03:32] <ubotu> methinks slap_day is Arrrrr, speak like a pirate matey, or something
[03:33] <_malik> hi
[03:33] <aftertaf> hi
[03:33] <counts> ey
[03:33] <_malik> im new here
[03:33] <aftertaf> have a strawberry then...
[03:34] <Kamping_Kaiser> so i see ;)
[03:34] <aftertaf> gklek is a polymorph
[03:34] <aftertaf> lool Kamping_Kaiser 
[03:35] <aftertaf> breezy: install 281    upgrade 1036    remove 43.... will hit $df when done.....
[03:36] <LEILANI> HELLO
[03:36] <aftertaf> and now you're history...
[03:36] <aftertaf> dont shout, we're sleeping....
[03:36] <ml--> checking for gcc... gcc
[03:36] <ml--> checking for C compiler default output file name... configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables
[03:37] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi LEILANI
[03:37] <Kamping_Kaiser> weird name
[03:38] <othomas> LOLOL
[03:38] <counts> ey pipol....
[03:38] <aftertaf> ml--:  http://www.brandonhutchinson.com/c_compiler_cannot_create_executables.html
[03:39] <aftertaf> ml--:  useful for solaris.... erf!
[03:39] <Kamping_Kaiser> hm. ok. so your problem leilani (counts)?
[03:39] <aftertaf> we have some very interesting specimen in here today
[03:39] <Kamping_Kaiser> aftertaf: yeh, very true
[03:39] <aftertaf> Kamping_Kaiser:  counts was gklek..
[03:40] <Kamping_Kaiser> and lani was_gklek
[03:40] <Kamping_Kaiser> check ips
[03:40] <aftertaf> counts:  hi can we help you?  are you new to linux?
[03:40] <Kamping_Kaiser> looked similar to me :/
[03:40] <aftertaf> same person, 3 nick changes...
[03:40] <aftertaf> maybe a bot.
[03:41] <aftertaf> counts:  are you a bot?
[03:41] <Kamping_Kaiser> seen a lot os sus clones happneing recently
[03:41] <counts> wats bot?
[03:41] <aftertaf> a bot is not human.... 
[03:41] <counts> nup...
[03:41] <aftertaf> is on IRC but is a program...
[03:41] <counts> pure human dude
[03:41] <aftertaf> cool.... 
[03:42] <counts> im new to this linux thing
[03:42] <Kamping_Kaiser> sounds human to me ;)
[03:43] <ml--> aftertaf: yea, gcc isnt in my path
[03:44] <Kamping_Kaiser> counts: got a problem? or just chilling?
[03:44] <aftertaf> just wondering, as you came in here and changed name, and disappeared and came back.....
[03:44] <aftertaf> you using linux?
[03:44] <counts> ey...im frezing over here
[03:45] <othomas> where is here, counts?
[03:45] <counts> im in phils...how bout u dude?
[03:45] <Kamping_Kaiser> phils?
[03:45] <Kamping_Kaiser> staying at a mates?
[03:45] <aftertaf> adelhia?
[03:46] <hussam> ml--: try sudo apt-get install build-essential 
[03:46] <ml--> hussam: thats the one i was looking for yesterday! thanks!
[03:46] <aftertaf> looooool Kamping_Kaiser staying at a mate's :D
[03:46] <othomas> carolina's in us..hot here
[03:46] <aftertaf> france, cold hre
[03:47] <aftertaf> +e
[03:47] <Kamping_Kaiser> aftertaf: ;) well i can only guess
[03:47] <aftertaf> rofl ;)
[03:47] <counts> philippines dude
[03:47] <aftertaf> ok..... cooL.
[03:47] <counts> france is very far dude
[03:47] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol. hi  :)
[03:47] <aftertaf> seems a lot of pl going to linux over there
[03:47] <counts> but im very interested in going there
[03:47] <aftertaf> counts:  not from where  am ;)
[03:48] <Kamping_Kaiser> im in aust
[03:48] <aftertaf> counts:  a big bit of planet between aftertaf and the rest of you all...
[03:48] <Kamping_Kaiser> aftertaf: the frogy govt is using mandriva (or planing to roll it out in a lot of places)
[03:48] <aftertaf> yeah i heard..... would use a better nux than that tho..... imho
[03:49] <aftertaf> not too impressed with mdk.
[03:49] <aftertaf> but they are going open source and that is a good thing.
[03:49] <Kamping_Kaiser> mandriva (aka manrape) is french. so its logical for them to use it
[03:49] <aftertaf> yeah 'course
[03:49] <ml--> "checking for X... configure: error: Can't find X includes. Please check your installation and add the correct paths!"
[03:49] <aftertaf> ubuntu is gonna whup.
[03:50] <Kamping_Kaiser> lets hope
[03:50] <aftertaf> ml--:  hmmm.... not normal all that.
[03:50] <Kamping_Kaiser> ml--: install the xlib-dev or simliar package
[03:50] <aftertaf> Kamping_Kaiser:  it will... most userfriendly one ive seen yet. and still lets you have all the power under the bonnet if you want to.
[03:51] <Kamping_Kaiser> aftertaf: yes, i try not to be optomistic though :)
[03:52] <aftertaf> im gonna try n push it to people.... those who are fed up with zindope and have an ethernet connection;)
[03:52] <aftertaf> so counts, are you a new user or an oldtimer on linux?
[03:52] <Kamping_Kaiser> aftertaf: every time i help someone with their windows box imgoing to say "to have someone do that for you would cost 200 dollars. its free with linux" and see how fast i can convert ppl
[03:53] <ml--> aftertaf: im installing in a weird way. 
[03:53] <aftertaf> yeah... nice one.
[03:53] <aftertaf> ml--:  hehe it hapens dude ;)
[03:53] <aftertaf> how weird tho?
[03:53] <ml--> aftertaf: using svn/subversion
[03:53] <ml--> which is weird to me
[03:54] <aftertaf> ml--:  me too!!!!! but i think its sth to do with cvs right?
[03:54] <counts> aftertaf...im new to this linux...wer used to use microsoft and the like
[03:55] <aftertaf> counts:  yeah, and a lot of people changing to linux with m$ trying to get people... right?
[03:56] <counts> ey
[03:56] <LEIA> HU
[03:57] <LEIA> linux is weird
[03:57] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[03:58] <LEIA> i cant go to yahoo messenger
[03:58] <aftertaf> to begin with it is...... but afer its windows that is weird
[03:58] <counts> aftertaf...still there?
[03:58] <othomas> bill is even switching..lol
[03:59] <aftertaf> yep
[03:59] <aftertaf> lol othomas 
[03:59] <Kamping_Kaiser> after using linux for a few months solid i know MSCEs who forget basic windows stuff :o
[04:00] <aftertaf> i'm outta here... work is done and ive got the kids to get from sk00l
[04:00] <aftertaf> Kamping_Kaiser:  i am mcse and i am forgetting (or being purged lol)
[04:00] <Kamping_Kaiser> rofl
[04:00] <Kamping_Kaiser> aftertaf: ;)
[04:00] <Kamping_Kaiser> keep up thej good work lol
[04:00] <Kamping_Kaiser> have fun getting the kids. ill see you tomorrow i hope
[04:00] <othomas> laters aftertaf
[04:01] <aftertaf> take care all..... and KEEP UP THE FIGHT 
[04:01] <aftertaf> ARRRRRRRRRrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr mateys
[04:01] <othomas> lol
[04:02] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[04:06] <LEIA> hi kamping kaiser
[04:08] <counts> hi lai
[04:08] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi
[04:08] <LEIA> hi counts
[04:09] <LEIA> wer u from kaiser
[04:09] <Kamping_Kaiser> Australia (no, not Austria) :)
[04:10] <counts> hahay lai...ambot aning mga pips dani
[04:12] <cbo> hello all, could someone please tell me if the permissions accessing a mounted partition are given on the device file, the mounting point, or /etc/fstab?
[04:13] <Kamping_Kaiser> cbo. fstab and the filesystem... could yoiu be more specific?
[04:13] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi LEIA. where you from? and got a question?
[04:13] <LEIA> philippines
[04:13] <othomas> cbo: user means the owner has full rights..users means all have full rights
[04:14] <othomas> heh K_K
[04:15] <Kamping_Kaiser> :/
[04:15] <Kamping_Kaiser> :'(
[04:15] <othomas> throw another shrimp on that barbie..:)P
[04:16] <Kamping_Kaiser> :P prawn you bloody redneck yobo
[04:16] <othomas> LOL
[04:17] <Kamping_Kaiser> ;)
[04:17] <cbo> Kamping_Kaise, othomas:  i mount the partition with this line in fstab: /dev/sda3       /media/compartido0      vfat    rw,users        0       2
[04:18] <cbo> the mount moint looks like this: drwxr-xr-x  7 root root  16K 1970-01-01 01:00 compartido
[04:18] <Kamping_Kaiser> hm. your clocks wrong
[04:18] <cbo> i cannot write on this device with an ordinary user
[04:19] <Kamping_Kaiser> have to set uids for vfat? you do for ntfs... anyone know?
[04:19] <cbo> i also have a symlink compartido0->compartido
[04:19] <Kamping_Kaiser> er....
[04:20] <Kamping_Kaiser> your mounting on a sym link?
[04:20] <othomas> what's that 2on the end for?
[04:20] <Kamping_Kaiser> it changes the order its scaanned oon reboot
[04:21] <Kamping_Kaiser> *-a -o
[04:21] <cbo> i do this because that's what i've seen is the default for floppy,cdrom, althought i don't know what's the point
[04:21] <othomas> ahhh
[04:21] <Kamping_Kaiser> i set it to 0 myself
[04:21] <othomas> me3
[04:21] <Kamping_Kaiser> just to be different :P
[04:22] <othomas> the mount point is read, execute for all but root..change the group to disk and then you should have rw for others
[04:22] <othomas> as long as they part of the disk group
[04:22] <Kamping_Kaiser> cbo: http://www.frankandjacq.com/ubuntuguide/5.04/#mountunmountfat
[04:22] <Kamping_Kaiser> give it a go
[04:22] <cbo> othomas ok
[04:23] <Kamping_Kaiser> umask is the killer :O i forgot
[04:23] <othomas> uhhuh..gets deep fast when you start sec levels for linux
[04:24] <othomas> LOVE IT..lol
[04:24] <Kamping_Kaiser> sec levels?
[04:24] <othomas> security
[04:25] <Kamping_Kaiser> oh yeh :) 
[04:25] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol. now i get it
[04:26] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[04:26] <othomas> heh
[04:28] <Mez> anyolne know how to turn off tap to click on a laptop?
[04:28] <othomas> should be in bios setup Mez
[04:28] <cbo> Kamping_Kaiser: I've seen the link, but i'm curious why is fsck disabled in the example? should i do the same?
[04:29] <Mez> othomas: haven't looked at bios yet  :D but it'svery fecking sensitive and very annoying on here
[04:29] <Kamping_Kaiser> cbo: i dont think it matters, but i dont have vfat, so i didnt research
[04:29] <cbo> Kamping_Kaiser: ok, thanks
[04:30] <othomas> cbo: you want it disabled on vfat systems..enabled on ext2-3 etc. though
[04:31] <Kamping_Kaiser> so vfat is like ntfs when it comes to fsk. not a goer?
[04:31] <othomas> yep, it can see a problem and fix and ole billy's system gets confused
[04:32] <Kamping_Kaiser> yeh, not suprised :)
[04:32] <othomas> heh
[04:32] <Kamping_Kaiser> *fat is easy to confulse
[04:33] <Kamping_Kaiser> *confuse
[04:33] <othomas> toasted more then one drive watching scandisk choke
[04:33] <othomas> lol K_K
[04:34] <Kamping_Kaiser> ;)
[04:34] <slow-motion> hallo
[04:34] <Kamping_Kaiser> *halts server*
[04:35] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi slow-motion
[04:35] <slow-motion> hi Kamping_Kaiser 
[04:35] <othomas> good lord, that prawn just popped and spewed juice on the coals..guess it's done..:)
[04:35] <forsaken_> is there any way to get my root password?
[04:36] <Kamping_Kaiser> all your root password are bellong to us!!!
[04:36] <Kamping_Kaiser> my server owns. im going to ahve industrial deafness after a few more weeks with that thing on
[04:36] <othomas> open a console and type su then type passwd and set roots password
[04:36] <Kamping_Kaiser> surely sudo?
[04:36] <slow-motion> i dont have a root password
[04:36] <Kamping_Kaiser> sudo passwd root would be the trick?
[04:37] <forsaken_> othomas is doesnt acept my su password
[04:37] <forsaken_> accept
[04:37] <Kamping_Kaiser> what about sudo?
[04:37] <forsaken_> accept..
[04:37] <forsaken_> but.. I wann use root password..
[04:38] <forsaken_> and when I type sudo passwd root
[04:38] <othomas> use your own to start
[04:38] <forsaken_> it says that I cant change the pass
[04:38] <othomas> su <enter>
[04:38] <othomas> paswword: <your password> <enter>
[04:39] <othomas> passwd <enter>
[04:39] <othomas> change to new password for root
[04:39] <forsaken_> su <enter>
[04:40] <forsaken_> password <passwaord>
[04:40] <othomas> do all that in a console window
[04:40] <forsaken_> then.. its denie it
[04:40] <forsaken_> it denies
[04:40] <Kamping_Kaiser> sudo -s
[04:40] <othomas> are you on Gnome?
[04:40] <forsaken_> KDE
[04:40] <Kamping_Kaiser> then enter *your* password
[04:40] <forsaken_> not now.. Im using windows now.. cause Im at work
[04:40] <Kamping_Kaiser> that will give a root terminal
[04:40] <Kamping_Kaiser> then passwd root
[04:41] <forsaken_> Kamping_Kaiser yes.. my password.. or root passwd.. I use the same
[04:41] <othomas> ohhh.not gonna work from there...LOL
[04:41] <Kamping_Kaiser> then exit
[04:41] <Kamping_Kaiser> forsaken_: are you usig the default account?
[04:41] <Kamping_Kaiser> or an account created after?
[04:41] <forsaken_> default..
[04:41] <forsaken_> I installed Ubuntu as server mode
[04:41] <forsaken_> the it created my account..
[04:41] <Kamping_Kaiser> .....
[04:42] <forsaken_> but didnt created the root account
[04:42] <Kamping_Kaiser> ok
[04:42] <forsaken_> the I installed kubuntu-desktop
[04:42] <forsaken_> then
[04:42] <Kamping_Kaiser> so your account is teh 'administrator' acount
[04:42] <forsaken_> yes
[04:42] <Kamping_Kaiser> try using single user mode if you cant do it through a shell
[04:42] <Kamping_Kaiser> because thats reasonably easy
[04:43] <Kamping_Kaiser> and night everyone. i have to be up early to take my sister to work experiance :S
[04:43] <Kamping_Kaiser> and shit like that
[04:43] <othomas> eck Kamping_Kaiser  have a good sleep
[04:44] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol. night othomas have fun. see you around :D
[04:45] <othomas> foresaken: you can't change the root password if your remote usually
[04:47] <othomas> forsaken: if you have it set so you can..you have created a security hole big enough to drive a truck through..:(
[04:48] <forsaken_> right.. tks for the help
[04:48] <forsaken_> i have to go
[04:48] <othomas> kk take care
[05:04] <chakie> hm, plugging in an ipod on hoary gave an oops and a dead usb subsystem
[05:05] <othomas> ouch chakie
[05:05] <chakie> i had expected it to show up as an usb mass storage device, like my usb-hd and card reader
[05:05] <ml---> "checking for Qt... configure: error: Qt (>= Qt 3.2 and < 4.0) (headers and libraries) not found. Please check your installation!"
[05:06] <chakie> ml---: do you have "libqt3-mt-dev" installed?
[05:06] <othomas> chakie:try a reboot with it plugged in
[05:06] <chakie> othomas: heh, i can't go on booting this machine just for a silly ipod
[05:07] <chakie> but i'll have to do it now, my usb mouse died too
[05:08] <othomas> ack..
[05:10] <ml---> chakie: youre right! im installing now..
[05:13] <ml---> "checking for KDE... configure: error: in the prefix, you've chosen, are no KDE headers installed. This will fail. So, check this please and use another prefix!"
[05:13] <chakie> i might as well install 2.6.11 first though
[05:13] <ml---> --prefix=`kde-config --prefix`
[05:21] <chakie> ml---: kdelibs4-dev
[05:26] <ml---> chakie: thanks again!
[05:32] <chakie> np :)
[06:46] <MrFaber> hi all
[06:49] <apokryphos> Hi there
[06:49] <nikkia> hi apokryphos
[06:49] <apokryphos> nikkia: hey; how you doin?
[06:50] <nikkia> blurrily
[06:52] <apokryphos> my eyes are a little blurry too in fact
[06:53] <apokryphos> nikkia: spent half the day trying to get tracker things wiht torrents to work
[06:53] <nikkia> yeah, but i doubt yours are blurry cos you just took makeup off :P
[06:54] <apokryphos> I download all the time, but never attempted to make+seed them. Harder than it should be
[06:54] <apokryphos> nikkia: true 8)
[07:04] <slow-motion> http://www1.mplayerhq.hu/homepage/design7/codecs.html < dowload there the all paket and copy it into /usr/lib/win32
[07:06] <slow-motion> deb http://ubuntu.tower-net.de/ubuntu/ hoary java << there you can get java
[07:10] <lonewolff> hmm, that reminds me, is there java available for ppc? ( i heard about something by ibm but cant find much)
[07:13] <apokryphos> slow-motion: hah, hadn't heard of that repo. You tested it?
[07:15] <slow-motion> no but i have jre15 in the list when i use it
[07:16] <nikkia> lonewolff: IBM's is on their site, its a little 'hidden' tho, its listed as java for pSeries (linux) or something
[07:16] <slow-motion> bye
[07:16] <lonewolff> nikkia: aha, i shall have another look then, thanks, do you know if it works well?
[07:17] <nikkia> it worked 'alright' when i ran it on a G3
[07:22] <nikkia> lonewolff: here: http://www-128.ibm.com/developerworks/java/jdk/linux140/download.html
[07:22] <nikkia> see the iSeries/pSeries links ?
[07:23] <lonewolff> nikkia: yeah, already downloading it, but thanks ;)
[07:24] <nikkia> naturally, its 1.4.2 so don't expect 1.5 features to exist :P
[07:36] <Prodegy> hello
[07:36] <Prodegy> How do I configure my clock to 12 Hours only
[07:37] <MrFaber> Prodegy: System Setting
[07:37] <Prodegy> How do I get there
[07:37] <Prodegy> new user to Kubuntu
[07:37] <MrFaber> K Menu
[07:37] <MrFaber> five point from the bottom
[07:37] <MrFaber> System Settings
[07:37] <Tm_T> 12h day... a bit short to me
[07:37] <Prodegy> its 24 Hours
[07:37] <Prodegy> but like 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 1 2 3 etc..
[07:37] <MrFaber> np
[07:38] <Tm_T> =)
[07:38] <Prodegy> all I see is control center
[07:38] <MrFaber> ok, then control center
[07:38] <Tm_T> Prodegy: I was joking =)
[07:38] <MrFaber> oh, you have Hoary?
[07:38] <MrFaber> much easier
[07:38] <MrFaber> right click on the clock
[07:38] <Tm_T> Prodegy: but I think you should use 24h clock, unless you're yankee-moron ;--P
[07:38] <Prodegy> Im using KDE
[07:38] <MrFaber> and click und date & time format
[07:48] <apokryphos> If anyone wants to, idle in #ubuntu-unregged to help newbies with registering/identifying
[07:48] <apokryphos> they come every few minutes
[07:49] <pussfeller> whats the cli wireless tools called, i forget
[07:53] <CellarDoor> hi folks I (as a n00b) just have a quick question about chkrootkit If I may
[07:53] <MrFaber> apokryphos: just remove this "spam safer"
[07:54] <CellarDoor> everything looks good except for one line where I'm not sure what it means
[07:55] <CellarDoor> Could someone tell me what this means:  eth0: PACKET SNIFFER(/sbin/dhclient3[5881] )
[07:57] <apokryphos> MrFaber: no; there's a reason it's there, obviously.
[08:02] <setite> !resolution
[08:02] <ubotu> resolution is probably at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[08:07] <MrFaber> apokryphos: but it hurts more than it helps imho
[08:08] <apokryphos> MrFaber: pretty much any way you calculate it that's not the case
[08:08] <apokryphos> spambots are supremely annoying
[08:08] <apokryphos> and it's few that have problems with registering
[08:10] <MrFaber> annoy many because of some spammers, funny isn't it, that's real humanity
[08:10] <MrFaber> but that's my oppinion
[08:13] <MrFaber> apokryphos: and if it is so easy to register spambots should have no problems
[08:14] <apokryphos> MrFaber: don't understand your first sentence, but on the latter you're evidently wrong
[08:14] <apokryphos> join #ubuntu and tell me how many spambots you see
[08:16] <MrFaber> it is a question of time
[08:17] <apokryphos> MrFaber: it is a question of noting that the Freenode spambots don't register
[08:17] <MrFaber> my first sentence mean that they should remove the spam security options like the unregged channel
[08:18] <MrFaber> Have you seen spam in #ubuntu-unregged?
[08:18] <apokryphos> Yes.... that's why it's there
[08:18] <MrFaber> Have you sean it?
[08:18] <MrFaber> *seen
[08:19] <MrFaber> I haven't seen any spam since yesterday in open #kubuntu and kubuntu-de channel
[08:19] <MrFaber> but hey, we need security
[08:20] <apokryphos> what *are* you talking about?
[08:20] <MrFaber> that the #ubuntu-unregged channel is needless
[08:20] <apokryphos> obviously not; you not seen how much traffic it takes away?
[08:20] <MrFaber> that spam security of #ubuntu is annoying
[08:21] <MrFaber> #kubuntu is an open channel without special spam protection and I have seen no spam
[08:21] <MrFaber> but who cares
[08:21] <MrFaber> bbl
[08:22] <apokryphos> MrFaber: obviously this isn't one of the channels that has been targetted
[08:22] <apokryphos> unlike #ubuntu
[08:24] <apokryphos> MrFaber: the "spam security" of #ubuntu is there for a reason, like I said
[08:24] <apokryphos> if it wasn't there would be a zillion join/part messages
[08:24] <libben> what happends if i put in a net ethernet card ? will it show up in menu?
[08:25] <libben> net==new
[08:28] <lwells> HI all
[08:28] <rrichie> is breezy useable for now ?
[08:28] <lwells> Does anyone know the system requirements for Kubuntu
[08:29] <Tm_T> lwells: pc
[08:29] <Tm_T> hmm, no
[08:29] <Tm_T> computer
[08:29] <Tm_T> that's about it
[08:29] <lwells> sorry, a pc yes
[08:29] <Tm_T> I'll recommend pentium though or equiv
[08:30] <lwells> it is a pentium, only 4 gig drive and 32 mg ram
[08:30] <Tm_T> but working fine in 486dx4 for examle
[08:30] <m0ns00n> Hey
[08:30] <m0ns00n> :-)
[08:30] <Tm_T> lwells: works, but might be slow with X
[08:30] <lwells> that is ok, just want to replace win 2000 
[08:31] <Tm_T> ooh, go ahead
[08:31] <lwells> cool thanks, hate win, keeps getting infected
[08:31] <libben> what happends if i put in a new ethernet card into my box ? will it be avaible after starting it all up again?
[08:31] <_glen> I can't get apt-get to work.
[08:32] <_glen> I'm using sudo
[08:32] <lwells> it should just boot to Kubuntu right?, the win machine wont let me even format  the disk
[08:32] <_glen> Do I just update the package list the use the command   sudo apt-get install firefox 
[08:33] <keijo> if you can not get apt-get to work, you should check file: sources.list
[08:34] <keijo> apt-get install mozilla-firefox
[08:38] <_glen> Is their a graphical package manager?
[08:40] <slow-motion> re
[08:40] <_glen> What other package managers are their besides apt-get
[08:41] <slow-motion> aptitude, synaptic, kynaptic, kpakage
[08:41] <slow-motion> +c
[08:42] <_glen> Thanks.
[08:42] <slow-motion> for a system upgrade is aptitude good
[08:43] <slow-motion> for a grafikal packet manager is synaptic good
[08:44] <libben> synaptic is the top of the line
[08:45] <jjesse> use adept the new package manger for kubuntu
[08:45] <slow-motion> and kpackage is unuseable *imo*
[08:45] <jjesse> i like it better then synaptic
[08:45] <_glen> Yay! I can see a list of packages, thank you.
[08:46] <slow-motion> adept ist the new one? with hoary it was kynaptic
[08:47] <jjesse> slow-motion:  yeah adept is goin to be the default one in  breezy
[08:48] <slow-motion> never heard of it. but i dont care so much about software polizics
[08:48] <slow-motion> -z+t
[08:51] <slow-motion> http://web.ekhis.org/adept.html < have found it and i will give it a try
[08:53] <m0ns00n> Heheh
[08:53] <m0ns00n> Sooo many websites are made without specifying background color and foreground color
[08:53] <m0ns00n> I get black text on a black background
[08:54] <m0ns00n> on the url posted above
[08:55] <slow-motion> strg+a can help
[08:57] <m0ns00n> strg+a?
[08:57] <m0ns00n> Oh
[08:57] <m0ns00n> ctrl+a
[08:57] <m0ns00n> Sure
[08:57] <m0ns00n> But it's still annoying, although I've done it myself on many occations
[08:59] <slow-motion> sorry i have a german keyboard and we have strg and not ctrl.
[09:05] <m0ns00n> Hehe, ok
[09:05] <slow-motion> hmm where is the reinstall option in adept?
[09:05] <m0ns00n> Understandable
[09:05] <m0ns00n> What does strg stand for?
[09:05] <slow-motion> it ist the same like the ctrl key
[09:05] <slow-motion> just the german translation
[09:06] <m0ns00n> Yeah, what is that?
[09:06] <slow-motion> steuerung = strg
[09:06] <m0ns00n> ok
[09:06] <m0ns00n> steuerung
[09:06] <m0ns00n> Haven't heard that word before. Thanks
[09:06] <m0ns00n> :-)
[09:06] <m0ns00n> Ages since I had german
[09:08] <slow-motion> dont worry i have to use it everyday
[09:11] <musashiden> hey y'all
[09:11] <musashiden> i have a question
[09:11] <musashiden> iam about to move my harddrive to a completely new computer
[09:12] <musashiden> is kubuntu gonna be able to recognize all the new hardware and stuff?
[09:12] <musashiden> or should i just install kubuntu again from scratch?
[09:16] <jjesse> is there a way to configure konverstation not to use tabs? so i can have two channels oppen in two windows?
[09:21] <othomas> hi all
[09:24] <m0ns00n> hey
[09:27] <libben> lol
[09:28] <libben> why cant i get the Administrator mode to kick in?
[09:28] <libben> still greyed out after i typed my password
[09:28] <apokryphos> evil bug
[09:29] <apokryphos> workaround: alt+f2 -> kdesu kcontrol
[09:31] <musashiden> hey apokryhos
[09:31] <musashiden> i have a question
[09:31] <musashiden> iam about to move my harddrive to a completely new computer
[09:32] <musashiden> is kubuntu gonna be able to recognize all the new hardware and stuff?
[09:32] <musashiden> or should i just install kubuntu again from scratch?
[09:36] <libben> apokryphos: well, now it wont let it be enabled =)
[09:36] <libben> it gets enabled for one-two secs
[09:36] <apokryphos> libben: you're already administrator, that's why
[09:36] <libben> then it goes greyed again
[09:36] <apokryphos> musashiden: you should install from scratch
[09:37] <apokryphos> ubotu: tell musashiden about tab
[09:37] <othomas> musashiden, it would be interesting to see if it does..if it's going to be the boot device...if not the boot device you may have to do some fanagaling to get it working again.
[09:37] <apokryphos> libben: use the workaround I said
[09:38] <libben> apokryphos: ive done that
[09:38] <libben> and it worked.
[09:38] <apokryphos> ok
[09:38] <libben> but then it goes grey when im editing it.
[09:38] <libben> but ive hit aply
[09:38] <libben> and now its enabled permant
[09:38] <othomas> apokryphos, I am on hoary and mine does the same thing..acts like it is gonna start then goes back to user mode
[09:39] <libben> soo, what do i need for ICS ?
[09:39] <apokryphos> Yup, it's a known bug. Fixed in Breezy, pretty much.
[09:39] <libben> is there any ICS tut or guide ?
[09:39] <lwells> hi al
[09:39] <lwells> i need help
[09:40] <libben> shoot lwells 
[09:40] <lwells> I just installed Kubuntu on my pc and not when it boots up, it only goes the the command promt
[09:40] <libben> weird
[09:40] <Kejk_PL> lwells: youmisconfigured X.org
[09:40] <musashiden> apokryphos: is there a way to save the pakages i have already installed and put them in the new kubuntu installation?
[09:41] <libben> musashiden: if u have a big cache its all there =)
[09:41] <musashiden> libben: err, what?
[09:41] <lwells> i can login and put a password in, it just does not go to the GUI
[09:41] <libben>  its in /tmp
[09:41] <libben> or wait
[09:41] <libben> not packages.
[09:41] <libben> its in another place
[09:41] <Kejk_PL> lwells: try this command:: 
[09:41] <libben> cant remember where theyr stored for cache
[09:41] <lwells> ok
[09:42] <libben> sudo apt-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[09:42] <libben> change apt with dpkg
[09:42] <Kejk_PL>  sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[09:42] <libben> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[09:42] <lwells> thanks ok, will stry that
[09:43] <slow-motion> re
[09:43] <Kejk_PL> lwells: i you don;t have that package, try:
[09:43] <Kejk_PL> sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[09:44] <Kejk_PL> musashiden: U want to install the same packeges or do something like backup?
[09:44] <lwells> ok
[09:44] <lwells> will do that, i will be back
[09:47] <libben> apokryphos: is there any easy way in doing ICS?
[09:47] <apokryphos> don't know, sorry.
[09:47] <libben> k
[09:48] <jjesse> NO	NO	NO	NO	NO	NO	NO	NO	NO	NO	NO	NO	NO	NO	NO	NO	NO	NO	NO
[09:48] <jjesse> doh sorry
[09:49] <libben> maybe our beloved girl knows
[09:49] <libben> nikkia: 
[09:49] <libben> ICS ? u know any tut or easy steps on it?
[09:51] <lwells> ok thanks it seems to be installing now
[09:51] <rafa> hi !
[09:51] <rafa> what is ICS ?
[09:52] <lwells> After this , it should boot to the GUI right?
[09:52] <libben> Internet Connection Sharing
[09:52] <libben> i just wanna let my xbox be connected to the internet also
[09:52] <othomas> libben are you wanting to do internet connection sharing?
[09:52] <rafa> like in window$ ?
[09:52] <Kejk_PL> lwells: it depens on how you configure X.org - if correctly, then yes :D
[09:52] <lwells> ok, well i will see soon i suppose
[09:53] <libben> othomas: isnt it obvious? =)
[09:53] <libben> u know any way ?
[09:53] <othomas> libben, here is a start poin t http://www.homenethelp.com/web/howto/linux-share-internet.asp
[09:53] <rafa> as far as I know, you only have to activate ip forwarding
[09:53] <othomas> yup
[09:53] <libben> rafa: yeah. i know its pretty simple. but i have never done it in linux.
[09:53] <libben> just in windows.
[09:53] <rafa> ok
[09:53] <libben> and thats programs that does it =) in linux its the user who does it all =)
[09:54] <rafa> so you know yet what you have to do, no ?
[09:54] <Kejk_PL> libben: search for NAT and masquerade
[09:55] <jdef> any good accounting apps in linux
[09:56] <Kejk_PL> jdef: no :(
[09:56] <Kejk_PL> jdef: but maybe in english they are
[09:58] <othomas> jdef: here is a start point for accounting software..http://www.aaxnet.com/design/linuxacct.html
[09:58] <libben> hmm
[09:58] <libben> cant i just configure iptables in a easy way
[09:59] <othomas> libben, did you look at that how to page?
[09:59] <lwells> hi, still have problems
[09:59] <Kejk_PL> libben: to share connection you need tree commands
[09:59] <jdef> othomas: thanks
[09:59] <Kejk_PL> libben: but i forgot what command :)
[09:59] <jdef> Kejk_PL: thanks
[09:59] <lwells> still just comes up with the command prompt
[10:00] <lwells> do i need to go to the GRUB menu and configure it there?
[10:01] <Kejk_PL> lwells: no, just do what  I said: dpkg-refconfigure etc. I should work
[10:01] <lwells> ok
[10:01] <Kejk_PL> lwells: read /ver/log/Xorg.0.log
[10:01] <Kejk_PL> eg.: less /ver/log/Xorg.0.log   from terminal
[10:05] <lwells> hi, it told me now that xserver was not installed
[10:05] <othomas> now there is an OOPS
[10:06] <othomas> wonder how that happened
[10:06] <lwells> what is the command for installing xserver
[10:06] <mrdeath> apt-get install xserver-xorg
[10:07] <lwells> i only have 16 mg ram, does that have something to do with it?
[10:07] <Kejk_PL> lwells: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop (or ubuntu-desktop if you want gnome)
[10:08] <Kejk_PL> lwells: !? grafical subsytem won't run on 16 MB!
[10:08] <othomas> 16 meg prolly not enough mem
[10:08] <Kejk_PL> u need at least 64 MB
[10:08] <lwells> so it wont work KejK?
[10:08] <gdh> lwells: Kubuntu will work perfectly - you just need to visit this site first:
[10:08] <gdh> lwells: www.dell.com
[10:08] <Kejk_PL> hehe :)
[10:08] <gdh> lwells: have a credit card handy ;)
[10:08] <lwells> yea yea
[10:09] <lwells> its ok, i will just work from the command prompt
[10:09] <lwells> I really just wanted to get rid of windowns
[10:09] <Kejk_PL> lwells: 16 is deffinately too low
[10:10] <othomas> lwells, hmmm you did..:)
[10:11] <lwells> I wonder how win2000 can work with so little ram
[10:11] <othomas> whole lot of swapping going on
[10:12] <lwells> well thanks, talk to you later
[10:13] <Kejk_PL> who wanted ICS?
[10:13] <othomas> libben
[10:13] <Kejk_PL> libben: I found that command
[10:14] <libben> moi
[10:14] <libben> shoot
[10:14] <libben> let me hear the magic
[10:14] <libben> =)
[10:15] <Kejk_PL> if U know Polish, U can read: http://hoth.amu.edu.pl/~szurek/linux24-nat-big.html  - section 4.1
[10:15] <othomas> hahahaha
[10:16] <Kejk_PL> if not I wil translate that five line 
[10:16] <Kejk_PL> */lines
[10:16] <libben> well, think this works better http://www.e-infomax.com/ipmasq/
[10:16] <libben> but thats just me
[10:16] <libben> but why aint there a program for settings these things up?
[10:16] <libben> must be one
[10:17] <Kejk_PL> libben: it is - webmin (web interface for controling system) and firewall section
[10:19] <Kejk_PL> http://www.simonzone.com/software/guarddog/
[10:19] <othomas> network magic does it easily..they let you try it free, but costs $40
[10:19] <Kejk_PL> http://www.barkosoftware.com/GuideDog/
[10:19] <Kejk_PL> libben: for KDE
[10:19] <Kejk_PL> brb
[10:25] <Kejk_PL> libben: you could try this two program
[10:25] <libben> guidedog and guarddog ?
[10:25] <Kejk_PL> libben: there are firewals, but have functions to share interet (using iptables)
[10:25] <libben> guarddog i understand. but guidedog seemed to be something else.
[10:26] <libben> Kejk_PL: it should be easier just to write ur own iptable in a file and let it be loaded.
[10:26] <Kejk_PL> oh, sorry http://www.simonzone.com/software/guidedog/#screenshots
[10:26] <mike23> greetings
[10:26] <Kejk_PL> libben: yes, it will be easier
[10:26] <mike23> I'm using ubuntu breezy badger can I run kuntu ?
[10:26] <Kejk_PL> libben: so this is why there are not applications to do thius :)
[10:26] <Kejk_PL> mike23: yes
[10:27] <libben> Kejk_PL: but when i look at the howtos... its not just writing some iptables =)
[10:28] <mike23> I really only need the edutainment package of kde and I have it loaded but it disappears from the gnome foot pull down window regularly is there a fix for that?
[10:28] <Kejk_PL> libben: yep, it's true. 
[10:28] <libben> im just intressted in passing internet to my other nic. dont need firewall on it.
[10:28] <libben> or anything else. just raw internet sauce
[10:28] <Kejk_PL> iptables is firewall :)
[10:29] <mike23> I use ipkungfu
[10:29] <mike23> simple iptable setup
[10:30] <mike23> I've used it for over 2 years
[10:30] <mike23> as a router and firewall
[10:30] <mike23> 4 nic system
[10:30] <mike23> 4 nics one boxen
[10:31] <rafa> libben, if what you want is transparent sharing without NAT neither firewall nor etc etc etc
[10:31] <libben> yes. just raw pure internet sperm into my other nic yes.
[10:31] <libben> without the nasty things. just pure right on it.
[10:32] <Ricey_UK> hi all, any 'chroot' experts in?
[10:32] <Kejk_PL> libben: guidedog is only for NAT, masquerade etc, no firewall
[10:33] <libben> rafa: u had some thoughts for me ?
[10:33] <rafa> only echo "1" /proc/.../ip_forward
[10:34] <rafa> sorry, some tipping mistakes
[10:34] <rafa> i am checking it
[10:34] <rafa> 1 min
[10:34] <Kejk_PL> modprobe iptable_nat
[10:34] <Kejk_PL> iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o ppp0 -j MASQUERADE
[10:34] <Kejk_PL> echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward
[10:34] <mike23> I saw it here last week a sed script to run which replaces sources.list and executes what is need to get kubuntu going
[10:35] <mike23> does anyone know the script?
[10:35] <Kejk_PL> mike23: kubuntu repositories are the same as ubuntu
[10:36] <rafa> just what kejk_pl said :)
[10:36] <mike23> but don't you need to change breezy to kubuntu?
[10:37] <Kejk_PL> mike23: no, kubuntu IS Ubuntu, but you should install kubuntu-desktop instead of ubuntu-desktop
[10:37] <apokryphos> ubotu: tell mike23 about upgrade2breezy
[10:39] <mike23> just a simple apt-get kubuntu-desktop will do it? I'm running breezy all repositories active
[10:40] <mike23> standars, updates ,universe, multiverse
[10:40] <apokryphos> mike23: no; make sure you have kubuntu-desktop installed, then sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[10:41] <mike23> thanks
[10:41] <Kejk_PL> mike23: best way is to use aptitude
[10:41] <libben> so what? i just type that once and it works directly from the box ?
[10:41] <libben> and is it perm?
[10:41] <apokryphos> a sed wouldn't entirely work (well, not easily), plainly because -extras and other repos aren't available for breezy
[10:42] <Kejk_PL> libben: you have to change some thing, like: -o ppp0 to you internet device
[10:42] <libben> eth0 and eth1 ?
[10:42] <libben> eth0 is my internet
[10:42] <libben> eth1 is xbox nic
[10:42] <Kejk_PL> eth0
[10:42] <Kejk_PL> can Xbox use gataway or it need DHCP?
[10:43] <libben> xbox can use static and dhcp
[10:43] <Kejk_PL> ok, good, so this wil do the thing
[10:43] <Kejk_PL> modprobe iptable_nat
[10:43] <Kejk_PL> iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o eth0 -j MASQUERADE
[10:43] <Kejk_PL> echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward
[10:44] <libben> is that all?
[10:44] <Kejk_PL> you can add #!/bin/sh  adn put in file and you wil have a wirking script
[10:44] <Kejk_PL> libben: yes
[10:44] <mike23> sudo aptitude update && sudo aptitude dist-upgrade?
[10:44] <libben> Kejk_PL: and its not perm?
[10:45] <libben> so ill have to do this everytime i wanna share internet with my xbox
[10:45] <libben> how do i make it perm
[10:45] <Kejk_PL> no, this have to be done every reboot
[10:45] <Kejk_PL> mike23: run aptitude
[10:45] <libben> so how to make it perm
[10:45] <mike23> sudo aptitude update && sudo aptitude dist-upgrade?
[10:45] <Kejk_PL> and then pres "u" to update
[10:45] <apokryphos> mike23: that command is fine, yes.
[10:46] <Kejk_PL> and then pess "+" to select all packeges U want to upgrade
[10:46] <apokryphos> Pointless, pretty much.
[10:46] <Kejk_PL> apokryphos: hmm yes :P
[10:46] <mike23> thanks
[10:47] <Kejk_PL> apokryphos: I forgot about that
[10:47] <mike23> I'm loading kubuntu-desktop now and my connection is preety slow
[10:48] <apokryphos> mike23: upgrading via apt isn't the best decision then
[10:48] <apokryphos> mike23: what connection have you got?
[10:49] <mike23> calbe 2mb
[10:49] <apokryphos> That's more than fine
[10:49] <libben> Kejk_PL: i need to install iptables also i guess.
[10:49] <Kejk_PL> U call this SLOW!!
[10:49] <Kejk_PL> libben: yes
[10:49] <libben> is there any problems with iptables on 2.6 ?
[10:50] <Kejk_PL> no
[10:50] <libben> k
[10:50] <Kejk_PL> libben: I'v made server using only this three command :)
[10:53] <libben> well. u need to run them manually every time u start the box =(
[10:53] <libben> looking at ipkungfu right now
[10:54] <libben> and saved the way u said
[10:54] <Kejk_PL> you can add this to you init.d scripts
[10:54] <libben> and it will allways be started ?
[10:55] <Kejk_PL> libben: yes
[10:55] <libben> is this a good way of doing ICS ? or is it a lazy workaround 
[10:55] <libben> ?
[10:56] <Kejk_PL> libben: hmm,on real servers it is unacceptable, but on home computer it is something like  right click -> share in windows
[10:56] <Kejk_PL> simplest way to do this
[10:56] <libben> why is it unacceptable to do it on a server ?
[10:56] <Kejk_PL> on servers you need to set up more rules, like forwarding, firewall, rejects rules etc
[10:57] <Kejk_PL> maybe tranfer shaping etc
[10:58] <Kejk_PL> but on small school network on 1 MB connection is is working pretty good without all this stuf :0
[10:58] <Kejk_PL> :P
[10:58] <libben> hmm. i have iptables installed
[10:58] <Kejk_PL> you need to do all this commands from root
[11:00] <Kejk_PL> if you want an init.d script better ask now that later - it is quite late here in Poland :)
[11:00] <libben> root@burken:~# modprobe iptables nat
[11:00] <libben> FATAL: Module iptables not found.
[11:00] <libben> i want the init.d script 
[11:00] <libben> but i dont get it
[11:00] <libben> its installed
[11:00] <libben> why does it wine
[11:00] <Kejk_PL> modprobe iptable_nat
[11:01] <libben> ooh =)
[11:01] <libben> gimme the script
[11:01] <libben> and tell me where to put it
[11:01] <Kejk_PL> w8
[11:02] <Kejk_PL> libben: do you have e-mail?
[11:03] <libben> ja.persson@gmail.com but isnt it just plain file? just pastebin the text. and ill sudo nano plainfile and put it in right place
[11:03] <libben> ?
[11:03] <Kejk_PL> it is, but for IRC it is too long
[11:04] <libben> http://pastebin.com
[11:04] <Kejk_PL> I'll make proper init.d script :)
[11:04] <Kejk_PL> oh, e-ail is faster - I started writing :)
[11:04] <libben> k
[11:04] <libben> =)
[11:05] <Jwir3> hey everyone.  I am using kubuntu, and I just did an apt-get upgrade to update pkgs.  Unfortunately, I can no longer login to Xwindows with a normal user.  Root can login fine if I login via vterminal and then do a startx, but any other user just crashes back to the login screen
[11:06] <Kejk_PL> Jwir3: try on #ubuntu
[11:07] <Jwir3> ok thanks
[11:08] <Kejk_PL> libben: copy it to /etc/init.d/icm file (icm or something else)
[11:10] <Kejk_PL> then add privilages to run this script: chmod +x /etc/init.d/icm
[11:10] <Kejk_PL> libben: then run:  update-rc.d icm defaults
[11:10] <Kejk_PL> libben: everything from root or sudo
[11:11] <Kejk_PL> then you can do: /etc/init.d/icm start to star sharing and /etc/init.d/icm stop  to stop
[11:12] <libben> havent got any mail yet
[11:13] <Kejk_PL> "I'm afraid I wasn't able to deliver your message to the following addresses."
[11:13] <Kejk_PL> wrong e-mail :P
[11:13] <libben> ja.persson@gmail.com
[11:14] <libben> same addy ur using ?
[11:15] <Kejk_PL> on pastebin: http://pastebin.com/368415
[11:15] <Kejk_PL> I thought it would be harder - great thing that pastebin :)
[11:16] <libben> yeah
[11:16] <libben> so i put this in a file called icm or whatever it now was?
[11:17] <pussfeller> i cant get my linksys card to work
[11:17] <pussfeller> no way no how
[11:17] <pussfeller> :(
[11:17] <pussfeller> it worked on gentoo
[11:18] <Kejk_PL> put it in /etc/init.d/
[11:18] <libben> what should i name the file?
[11:18] <Kejk_PL> what you like
[11:18] <Kejk_PL> can be isc or xbox or XXHurhqqfo if U want :P
[11:22] <libben> Kejk_PL: http://pastebin.com/368426
[11:24] <libben> so now what ?
[11:24] <Kejk_PL> use command:  /etc/rc6.d/K20MyownICS Unknown command
[11:24] <Kejk_PL> and try if it work
[11:25] <libben> su?
[11:25] <Kejk_PL> sorry, mistake
[11:25] <Kejk_PL> sudo  /etc/rc6.d/K20MyownICS start
[11:25] <Ricey_UK> anyone know why i cant mount my /proc into a chrooted env?
[11:25] <Ricey_UK> hi btw  :)
[11:26] <libben> reload the addy http://pastebin.com/368432
[11:27] <libben> so know what Kejk_PL ? will ICS allways be on every time i boot?
[11:27] <Kejk_PL> yes
[11:27] <libben> so why would i need to type that?
[11:27] <libben> the last line?
[11:27] <Kejk_PL> to check if there are not mistaces in my script :P
[11:28] <libben> is there any easy way to hook up samba ? i think my xbox app xboxmediacenter uses samba. would like to view my films streamed from my box to xbox
[11:29] <Kejk_PL> just install samba
[11:30] <Kejk_PL> yu will need probably to change one liine in smaba config
[11:30] <Kejk_PL> file: /etc/samba/smb.conf
[11:31] <Kejk_PL> line security = host/user   to security = share
[11:31] <Kejk_PL> and then right click -> share
[11:34] <libben> need to get some sleep. but ill have this logged now. and look into it later. thxs for all the help Kejk_PL 
[11:35] <Kejk_PL> libben: I go sleep to, my e-mail: konrad@linux.pl
[11:36] <libben> nn, take care
[11:38] <jrattner1> How come I dont here sounds from gaim when I have XMMS open (all in KDE)?
[11:54] <samdfo0l> hi all
[11:56] <Aapzak> aseigo: do you do your developing on Suse or Debian box?
[11:56] <aseigo> Aapzak: suse
[11:56] <Aapzak> is there a reason for suse? I see lots of KDE dev-ers use Suse
[11:59] <apokryphos> Aapzak: they're drawn in by the possible cash they can get *g*
[12:00] <Aapzak> hey apokryphos , we meet again :)
[12:00] <HydroYarrGen> probably suse has the option to install all coresponding -dev packages :P
[12:00] <apokryphos> Aapzak: yup, hi :)
[12:00] <apokryphos> HydroYarrGen: as do most distributions
[12:00] <Aapzak> Kubuntu's synaptic?
[12:01] <HydroYarrGen> or kynaptic for that matter, yes
[12:01] <Aapzak> Debian has a serious set of dev packages
[12:01] <HydroYarrGen> right
[12:01] <HydroYarrGen> but suse's packet manager has an option "install all related -dev packages
[12:01] <HydroYarrGen> and does it automatically
[12:01] <Aapzak> ah
[12:02] <Aapzak> tthats nice, but I'm sure that can't be all