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CarlFKat this point I am not so interested iin getting it working as getting it docomented that it dosn't work as smooth as it should12:07
CarlFKim just not sure where to put the note12:09
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ograCarlFK, if it didnt change since i used dialup the last time (which is quite a while ago), its enough if you add the user to the dialout group12:26
ograthen  he can use dialup with something like the network admin tool or gnome-ppp12:27
CarlFKnetwork admin tool does way more then just bring up the conection, so I can see that needing root privs.  ill look at gnome-ppp12:31
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ograhmm, i can undestand why network-admin wants sudo privs, but i cant understand why the modem applet should nee them12:35
CarlFKwoa... gnome-ppp is working12:36
CarlFKI will swear it wanted privs before...12:36
ograit shouldnt for the dialot group... but modem-applet shouldnt do that either12:36
ogradialout even12:37
CarlFKis modem-applet = gnome-ppp?12:37
ogramodem-applet is the, hum, modem applet your panel offers in the applet selection...12:37
CarlFKoh that...12:37
ograits a cool app, but its useless for non sudo users... thats wrong imho...12:38
ograit should raher check if you are in the right group instead of generally requiring sudo12:39
CarlFKright - just confirmed. it wants sudo pw12:40
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ograCarlFK, #15752 feel free to follow up :)12:50
tsengr0bby: yarrrr12:50
CarlFKI was trying to figure out what package to bug12:51
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ogra:)12:51
wasabi_haha i think i found my problem.12:51
wasabi_I think it's a bug in libpam-modules12:51
wasabi_woo hoo12:51
CarlFKfirefox does not like the package list ;)12:51
xTinawasabi_: what problem was that? (had fun with libpam-modules myself lately)12:55
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wasabi_Looks like pam lastlog breaks on my uid.12:56
wasabi_That's my suspision, haven't gotten into the code yet.12:56
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wasabi_It's not my full problem though, it's just one of them. =(12:57
xTinawasabi_:  ah. i had fun with pam_unix's password changing mechanism. it's very broken for nis, and it doesn't seem to be getting much better in higher upstream versions, just differently broken :(12:58
wasabi_=(12:59
wasabi_I'm working with pam_krb512:59
xTinawasabi_: ah, that's what i'll have to deal with "soon", we're supposed to move to krb at some point in the near future.01:00
tsengwasabi_: ive not noticed anything strange with pam_krb501:00
tsengwasabi_: i ddint really try to, either01:00
wasabi_tseng, my uid is 26271573801:00
wasabi_It seems to dislike it. ;)01:00
tsengerm01:00
wasabi_Playing around with high UID allocation schemes for distributed ldap/kerberos stuff.01:01
xTinaneat01:01
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eruinis anything blocking avahi0.5 atm?01:25
desrtavahi has a breakneck release schedule01:25
desrtit's quite frightening01:25
eruinyes, but Lathiat promised me! *sobs*01:26
eruinwhich reminds me to take this to #-motu instead01:26
ajmitcheruin: no, the debs are working01:27
ajmitcheruin: I just have to pass them to ross to check, and we can upload, I guess01:27
eruinah, great. that makes me feel better :)01:27
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ajmitchI just had to get the packaging for mono bindings done :)01:28
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shackan__alsa mixer: Master Level volume to zero, and I still can hear sound !03:39
zulmaybe its the voices in your head ;)03:39
shackan__uhm, the voices used to tell me to kill people, now they play electro music ?03:41
bddebianheh03:41
jdubmdz: ping04:01
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magnondoes anyone know who is responsible for ppc-laptopts?04:22
infinitymagnon : No one specifically, though lots of us own them (not I, however)04:23
magnonah04:23
magnonI think we got the newer powerbooks working as well as they can over here now :)04:24
magnonjust wondered if I should try to get some of it into wherever makes it get to other users ;)04:25
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infinityFiling bug on the packages you had to change would be a good start.04:27
infinityWith patches. :)04:27
infinitys/bug/bugs/04:27
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magnonI'd need to talk to whoever knows how and what detects the type of powerbook tho :)04:28
magnonto like, make it work better before submitting stuff04:29
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infinityWell, given that it's still Sunday (or very early Monday morning) in most of the world, you'd probably have better luck looking for people tomorrow.04:31
magnonTrue :P04:32
magnonI'll hack further on the xkb maps.04:32
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wasabi_Hmm. gnome-screensaver has some sort of Pam problem.04:55
wasabi_Doesn't seem to like my pam setup, won't let me unlock.04:55
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wasabi_Anybody wanna talk about the implemtnation of a desktop kerberos key daemon thingy dealy i want to work on sometime? :)05:00
wasabi_Basically it will just keep your key renewed, and give you messages when you need to renew it, or do something... etc etc05:00
jdubwasabi_: you might want to ask around the red hat crew, and search for krb stuff on cvs.gnome.org05:03
wasabi_Do you know anythin about gnome-screensaver and pam? LIke, does it use pam?05:04
wasabi_I don't see it linking too it at all.05:05
wasabi_Ahh there it is.05:06
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poningruguys can I sound off my suggestions in here about possible feature in dapper?05:21
poningruwell I want something to be added into dapper05:21
poningrubrb05:21
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adamhI want to put a "sleep 5" (or so) somewhere in the boot process (initrd) between when sd-mod is modprobed and when udevstart is called. How can I do that?05:32
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adamhI tried putting a file in /etc/mkinitramfs/init-premount and running dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-2*, but the resultant image doesn't actually contain or run the script.05:33
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fabbionemorning guys05:36
infinityfabbione : Awake before dawn again?05:36
bddebianHeya fabbione 05:37
fabbioneinfinity: yeah05:37
fabbionehey bddebian 05:37
infinityUgh.  I just downgraded from Daniel's experimental modular X packages to the packages in breezy, and I'd completely forgotten how slow the radeon driver we're shipping is on this laptop. :/05:38
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adamhmkinitramfs doesn't seem to be including the files I add in /etc/mkinitramfs/*-* in the output image. What am I doing wrong?05:53
adamhIt *did* use my change to the "modules" file, though05:53
Kalozgood (ugt) morning05:56
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fabbionehye Kaloz 05:56
fabbionethanks for isolating that silo problem05:56
crimsunadamh: what do you mean? /etc/mkinitramfs/modules?05:56
adamhcrimsun: yeah05:56
bddebianinfinity: You still here?05:57
infinitybddebian : Yup.05:57
adamhcrimsun: So I mean that mkinitramfs *is* reading /etc/mkinitramfs/modules, but it's doing nothing with /etc/mkinitramfs/local-premount/wait-for-sd-mod, the file I created (permissions 775)05:57
Kalozfabbione: no problems :) i knew it should be smg weird :)05:57
bddebianinfinity: What is Needs-Build?  Does that mean it's waiting for a buildd?05:57
infinitybddebian : Generally, yes.05:57
HrdwrBoBis there a reason why ubuntu made my lo interface down? 05:58
HrdwrBoBit makes some things very unhappy!05:58
infinitybddebian : http://www.debian.org/devel/buildd/wanna-build-states05:59
bddebianinfinity: 05:59
bddebianErr thx05:59
fabbioneis it just me or mozilla is crash-o-rama on amd64?06:01
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Kalozopera ownes me for years now :)06:07
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pittiGood morning07:17
fabbionehey pitti07:19
pittiHi fabbione 07:19
ajmitchhello pitti, fabbione 07:21
fabbioneyo07:22
fabbioneinfinity: ping?07:34
pittijdub: ah, sound-juicer finally got a --device argument, that means g-v-m can use it now for CD playing07:42
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Mithrandiryarrr07:50
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fabbionehey Mith07:56
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pefhello08:37
fabbioneZnarl: ping?08:40
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fabbioneelmo: ?08:41
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dholbachgood morning08:47
jdubpitti: yes, ross is wonderful. mere mention of it and he remembered he'd been wanting to do it... :-)08:47
jdubmorning dholbach 08:47
dholbachjdub: hey jeff, how's it going?08:47
jdubsweet!08:47
jdubahr!08:47
dholbach:)08:47
pittiHi dholbach 08:49
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Burgundaviajdub, are we talking s-j as default cd player?08:50
dholbachpitti: hey martin :)08:50
lifelesspitti: hey there08:51
lifelesspitti: my CF card doesn't work under breezy either.08:51
pittiHi lifeless 08:51
jdubBurgundavia: yes08:51
pittilifeless: can you please do http://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingRemovableDevices and mail me the results? (or put them in a bug report)08:53
lifelesspitti: I did before under breezy, you closed the bug last week :[08:53
lifelesspitti: I presume doing it again will be useful ?08:53
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pittilifeless: I closed it because I never got an answer, feel free to reopen :-)08:54
lifelesspitti: k08:54
pittilifeless: yes, it would be useful to do it on the latest breezy08:54
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pittilifeless: the existing logs are pretty old08:55
pittilifeless: thanks08:55
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dokomdz: still awake? do you have a preference for lp#2401?09:11
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Lathiat_WHOUGH_09:24
Lathiathow much faster did gdm get09:24
dholbachLathiat: it's WAUGH, not WOUGH09:24
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Lathiatthat just spun me out how fast it started09:24
TreenaksLathiat: isn't it just readahead that actually started reading ahead now?09:25
Lathiati havent rebooted09:25
Lathiatbut i read in the gdm changelog09:25
Lathiatthat daniels did somethign to make it real fast09:25
Lathiatand he said it was in the order of 5seconds09:26
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TreenaksLathiat: wow, how did they do that? stip all stat() calls?09:26
jdub  * Disable font server in dexconf for mad startup time victory.09:27
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Treenaksjdub: font server?!09:27
ajmitchrather nice09:27
ajmitchTreenaks: yeah, gdm was stalling with it09:27
Treenakswe started that?09:27
Lathiatalso i found a new gdm theme and gnome splash that made the login even sexier ;)09:28
jdubno09:28
jdubbut it has always been in the font path09:28
TreenaksAh!09:28
Lathiatso what happened with readahead09:28
Treenaksjdub: so the unix:7100 line was stripped and now it's lightning fast?09:29
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jdubaye09:29
Treenakscool :)09:30
jdubMithrandir: ping09:30
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karlhegI just pulled a baz checkout of 'network-manager', but it lacks the debian/ directory structure.  Where do I find that?  Why isn't it under revision control?09:32
karlhegIs there a wiki page documenting this?  Am I in the right channel?09:33
Lathiatkarlheg: you apt-get source the package, debian package dirs are kept separate to the projects (well, usually)09:34
karlhegWhy are they separate?09:38
pittikarlheg: it would neither help upstream nor distros if upstream tarballs were cluttered with build systems and patches for 50 different distros09:39
karlhegOk... I seem to remember seeing somewhere that 'baz' and 'tla' supports a checkout where each of several parts can come from separate repositories...?09:40
karlhegNever mind.09:41
Lathiatkarlheg: sure but that doesn't mean that its being used, or that the debian upstream uses the same rcs, etc, etc09:41
karlhegHmmm....  I could check out the debian/ stuff from RC, in a directory next to the upstream, then go in there and make a symlink out to it.09:42
karlhegThat will do for now, I think.  The main thing is that I can make changes and get useable patches.09:43
Lathiatdoes anyone have GL/dri with nvidia working properly? mine seems to be working, glxinfo says its ok etc but my GL performance is no better than software rendered09:43
Mithrandirjdub: pong09:44
pittiLathiat: works fine for me (amd64, GeForce 5200)09:49
Lathiatpitti: so gl applications give a decent framerate?09:52
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MithrandirLathiat: worksforme with 6600GT on amd6409:52
Lathiatlike glxinfo says yes yes yes, but glxgears does 300fps which is what mesa does, and actual games etc just choke to death09:52
Lathiatweirde09:52
Lathiatmy ati doesn't work either09:52
Mithrandirglxgears is not a benchmark. :-)09:52
Lathiatthis is annoying, sigh.09:53
LathiatMithrandir: as i said, actual games choke to death09:53
pittiLathiat: video playback is much smoother, I didn't play tuxracer for a while09:53
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pittiLathiat: I currently use nv since nvidia breaks hibernation09:54
pittiLathiat: but I can try tuxracer with nvidia if you want09:54
Lathiatpitti: i have a guide on the wiki that gets hibernation working for me09:54
Treenaksmy ati works without 3D accel, or works with 3D Accel but at the wrong resolution (the new FGLRX doesn't understand 1280x800)09:54
jdubMithrandir: hey09:55
Lathiathttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/NvidiaLaptopBinaryDriverSuspend09:55
Mithrandirjdub: yarrrr09:55
jdubMithrandir: was just look at the readahead list -> it looks like the results from warty09:55
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Mithrandirjdub: I was planning on writing something which is run as S01 and starts collecting the files and then stops at S99 and puts that into the list of stuff to readahead next time.09:56
LathiatMithrandir: wasnt behdad working on that kinda thing09:56
pittiLathiat: oh, I'll try that09:56
Mithrandirjdub: but I guess that's dapper, since we're way past featurefreeze09:56
MithrandirLathiat: no idea, it should be about 100 lines of C, I'd imagine.09:56
jdubhow did thom make it earlier?09:56
Mithrandirnot sure.09:57
MithrandirI can ask him.09:57
LathiatMithrandir: iirc his google SoC project was a fancy readahead thing09:57
jdubMithrandir: http://www.cs.toronto.edu/~behdad/blog/preload.txt09:57
MithrandirLathiat: well, this wouldn't be fancy, it's trivial, really.09:57
jdubMithrandir: i noticed because the list includes loading industrial, not clearlooks ;-)09:57
Mithrandiroh, that preload.  It looks crackful on first glance09:57
Lathiatlooked good to me09:58
Lathiatits more than just simple startup readahead tho09:58
jdubLathiat: but you have a history of substance abuse09:58
Mithrandiranyway, it looks similar to what I'd do with readahead too; this was discussed during the mataro sessions09:59
MithrandirI think he's putting _way_ too much "intelligence" into the system, really.09:59
Mithrandirthrowing bayesian filters and markov chains just sounds wrong.09:59
jdubthough fun.10:00
Mithrandirover-engineering can be fun, sure.10:00
Mithrandirit's still over-engineering, though.10:01
Mithrandirwhat's the state of that codebase?10:01
jdubMithrandir: behdad is on #gnome-hackers10:02
jdubon gimpnet10:02
Mithrandirjdub: I'm not on gimpnet and ETOOMANYCHANNELS already. :-)10:03
jdub:-)10:04
jduboh, he's here on #cairo too10:05
Mithrandirjdub: I try to get _something_ else done besides ircing :-P10:05
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sivangMorning all!10:07
smurfixSince I updated to Breezy, *something* is gdk_beep()ing at me all the time. Any ideas how to find the program which does it?10:08
Treenakssmurfix: evolution ?10:08
sivangMithrandir: morning, did you get my email?10:09
Mithrandirsivang: yes, I got it10:09
smurfixTreenaks: Possibly -- I'll check. However, that answer doesn't solve the general problem. ;-)10:10
jdubhey smurfix 10:14
jdubsmurfix: does it do it when you're not usign your terminal? :)10:14
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smurfixjdub: No, the terminal is not the baddie. Seems to be (or have been :-p) evolution. :-/10:16
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smurfixjdub: the question does however come up regularly when I talk to users10:17
Mithrandirsladen: re 4262; do you think powernowd should have a similar big and evil override file?10:18
jdubsmurfix: interesting10:18
smurfixso the best answer would be along the lines of "throw out a dbus message with details, and show them in the panel or whatever"10:19
smurfixI'll file a Gnome bug, maybe somebody will feel motivated ;-)10:19
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seb128jdub: maybe an IRC notify10:23
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Mithrandirsivang: can't you just edit the patch directly in the tree?10:28
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pittiLathiat: penguin racer runs with about 50 frames and is pretty smooth10:30
pittiLathiat: I will switch back to nv and compare at next boot10:30
sivangMithrandir: it's autogenerated, so I think not10:35
sivangmoins pitti 10:35
pittiHi sivang 10:37
pittiseb128: hm, Ross Burton is "ross", right?10:38
pittiseb128: the new sound-juicer option --device does not work for me10:39
seb128pitti: correct10:42
seb128pitti: slap him :)10:42
pittiseb128: which timezone is he in?10:43
jdubpitti: UK10:43
seb128pitti: uk10:43
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Mithrandirmjg59: what's the state of 559110:44
Mithrandirmjg59: ?10:44
seb128pitti: I get "** (sound-juicer:18234): CRITICAL **: nautilus_burn_drive_door_is_open: assertion `drive != NULL' failed" messages10:44
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pittiseb128: same for me10:50
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Lathiatpitti: was pmount ever goign to get iso support?10:53
pittiLathiat: it will, but not in Breezy10:53
Lathiatok10:53
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seb128anybody here has a xinerama setup?11:04
ograseb128, Mithrandir 11:05
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seb128Mithrandir: ping?11:05
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ograseb128, while we're at it, why is gnome-screensaver complied without xinerama and xrandr ? any known problems or can i safely enable it ? 11:06
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seb128ogra: it's not11:07
Mithrandirseb128: pong11:07
seb128Mithrandir: does gnome-screensaver work with xinerama for your (#15777)11:07
ograseb128, --with-xinerama-ext isnt set and xinerama doesnt work apparently11:07
seb128s/your/you/11:07
Mithrandirseb128: as of last night, no.11:07
seb128k11:07
Mithrandirseb128: hm, though, both screens are locked11:08
Mithrandirbut the greeter is displayed in the middle11:08
seb128build log has11:08
seb128checking for XineramaQueryScreens in -lXinerama... yes11:08
ograseb128, do you mind if i care for it ? i have made a lot of config modifications locally already11:08
seb128ogra: no, but do you have a xinerama setup ?11:08
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ograseb128, nope, but i'm testing with Mithrandir already11:08
seb128checking for X11/extensions/Xrandr.h... yes11:09
seb128too11:09
ograbut apparently it doesnt use it11:09
seb128ogra: create a gnome-screensaver bugzilla component and assign it to you so11:09
ograi think i cant edit components...11:09
seb128hum, I can11:10
seb128let's do it11:10
ogra Sorry, you aren't a member of the 'editcomponents' group, and so you aren't allowed to add, modify or delete components.11:10
seb128what email do you use?11:10
ograyup, i cant :)11:10
ograograqubuntu.com11:10
ogradamned, my altgr is broken since yesterday11:10
ograogra<at>ubuntu.com11:10
seb128yeah, I assumed it was that from the previous line :p11:11
ograheh11:11
dholbachmorning ogra11:11
sivangogra: would be an interesting domain to buy though ;-)11:11
sivangmorning dholbach 11:11
ogramoin dholbach 11:11
sivangmoin ogra 11:11
dholbachhey sivang 11:11
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ogradholbach, what did you do !11:12
sivangelection for what?11:12
\shgerman elections ;)11:12
ograsivang, german government11:12
\shtwo losers11:12
sivangeh, hehe11:12
\shor two winners...depends ;)11:12
ogra60 million loosers i'd say11:12
sivangdid dholbach tamper with the results? :-D11:13
ograsivang, sure, its all his fault ;)11:13
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dholbachi see11:13
ogra;)11:13
azeemI thought it was Microsoft's fault.  Their logo was prominent on the vote polls11:13
ograhehe, yes, the NDR seems to have a goot connection to the court11:14
seb128ogra: bug reassigned11:16
ograseb128, thanks :)11:17
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pittiHi Kamion 11:29
fabbionejdub: pinh?11:30
fabbioneping even11:30
jdubfabbione: pong11:31
seb128fabbione: is somebody working on this inotify bug?11:31
fabbionejdub: did you add my image to planet?11:31
fabbionecan i remove it from my webserver?11:31
fabbioneseb128: not me.. did you ask BenC?11:31
jdubyeah11:31
fabbionejdub: thanks11:31
jdubplanet uses its own11:31
seb128fabbione: not yet11:31
seb128BenC: are you working on the inotify bug?11:32
seb128fabbione: do you know if we have 2.6.12 or 2.6.13 inotify code?11:32
fabbione2.6.13 11:32
fabbione2.6.13rc6 i think11:32
fabbionethat's last time i synced iirc11:33
seb128k11:33
seb128I had some mails with John McCutchan11:33
seb128"Late in 2.6.13, Linus and I discussed changing where in the code we send11:34
seb128the DELETE_SELF event. " he said11:34
seb128and "11:34
seb128It was supposed to fix a kernel problem, but I think we overlooked one11:34
seb128case where this could be called when it wasn't from a delete operation."11:34
seb128so I want to be sure we have current inotify code before replying11:34
fabbioneseb128: one second..11:34
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SteveAany breezy install CD gurus around?11:37
ograSteveA, not a guru, but i know some stuff on the surface11:37
pittiinfinity: is there something wrong with the buildds? they don't seem to attempt to build util-linux for {warty,hoary}-sec11:38
SteveAi'm installing the latest colony on a new laptop11:38
SteveAi asked to repartition11:38
SteveAthe installer stopped working.  i could type on that screen, and the text would appear.  in terminal 2, nothing strange in /var/log/messages11:39
SteveActrl+c in terminal 1, and the partitioner seems to be preparing to run again11:39
ograSteveA, the CD is proven good ? not burned to fast, md5sum checked etc ?11:39
mjg59Mithrandir: The smart battery support?11:40
mjg59Mithrandir: The code hasn't been touched since then11:40
SteveAi'll grab the CD and check it11:40
ograSteveA, make sure not to write fater than 8x if you burn it11:40
ografaster even11:40
Mithrandirmjg59: ok11:43
ograMithrandir, do you use xinerama on your amd64 ?11:43
Mithrandirogra: on one of them, yes.11:43
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Mithrandirogra: my home box, not my work box.11:44
ograMithrandir, could you test a (probably) fixed package ? 11:44
ograhttp://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/screensaver/11:44
Mithrandirogra: when I get home, yes.11:44
ograMithrandir, thanks11:44
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seb128_if somebody said something for me, say it again11:47
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siretartogra: is that package because of that probable mergedfb bug?11:50
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ograsiretart, for missing xinerama, your report differs from what i heard from others about broken xinerama...11:52
fabbioneseb128: the last update to inotify was done around the 19 Aug11:52
fabbioneseb128: there is another "off by one fix"11:52
fabbioneand that's it11:52
fabbioneafter that there are no entries in the changelog11:52
seb128_fabbione: k, I'll ping BenC about it and open a bug upstream if he's not working on it, thanks11:54
pittiinfinity: please forget about util-linux, all fine now11:55
fabbioneinfinity: you around?11:55
ograsiretart, but if you run xinerama on amd64, feel free to test 11:56
siretartogra: ok. when I get home, will check gnome-screensaver with twinview, does this count as xinerama?11:56
fabbioneogra: i am on amd64+xinerama11:56
fabbionewhat's the problem?11:56
ografabbione, could you test gnome-screensaver for locking as is and with the package from http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/screensaver/ ?11:57
ografabbione, xinerama seems not to work right, the unlock screen is shown in the middle between the two screens11:57
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fabbioneogra: ah.. i can't test that11:57
ografabbione, that'd be cool11:58
fabbionei know for sure that it appears on the monitor where you clicked with the mouse11:58
fabbioneogra: read again.. i caN'T test that11:58
ograoh11:58
fabbionenot immediatly at least11:58
fabbionei am on 3 heads11:58
fabbionethat would happen only with 211:58
fabbionebecause the center is in the middle11:59
seb128pitti: re #15692, libao seems to have issues with esd as default though11:59
fabbionebut the center here is on a full monitor11:59
ograbut it deosnt appeare always on the center monitor ? 11:59
fabbioneogra: no11:59
ograok11:59
fabbioneas i wrote before, it appears on the monitor where i have the mouse11:59
fabbioneso at the first movement is there12:00
ograthen lest see what Mithrandir tells me later, he has the problem it seems...12:00
fabbioneok12:01
seb128ogra: the current package is built with xinerama ...12:01
ograseb128, sure its not only checked by configure but disabled ? 12:01
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fabbionelater12:02
fabbioneogra: if you don't find anybody within the next hour or so i will test it12:02
seb128ogra: the config.h list it as defined12:02
ografabbione, ok, thanks12:02
seb128ogra: and the configure.ac is quite clear, if it finds the lib it builds with it, which is the case since the Build-Depends are correct and the configure list it correctly12:03
fabbioneahhh12:03
fabbioneogra, seb128: you need something more than just xinerama for that12:03
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seb128fabbione: for what?12:04
fabbionelibxxf86vm-dev - X11 XFree86 video mode extension library (development headers)12:04
fabbionelibxxf86vm1 - X11 XFree86 video mode extension library12:04
fabbioneyou need to be sure to have that library12:04
fabbioneor that gnome-screensaver actually uses it12:04
ograseb128, i dont see any useful mentioning of xinerama stuff in the code either... only a "disable MIT extension if xinerama is enabled"12:04
fabbionexinerama is not enough to work on multihead12:04
ograok, adding that12:04
fabbioneogra: check for that one12:04
fabbioneit's a bit complex to explain12:05
fabbionebut basically xinerama gives you access to the extension12:05
ograok12:05
ografabbione, thaks a lot :)12:05
fabbionebut libxxf86vm is the one that returns proper disaply info to the program requesting them12:05
seb128fabbione: checking for X11/extensions/xf86vmode.h... no12:05
fabbionein the case you get something in the middle12:05
seb128fabbione: that's probably it, thanks for the hint12:05
infinityfabbione : Yes, I'm aorund, just not staring at this channel.12:06
fabbioneinfinity: ok.. for how long are you going to be around?12:06
Kamion\sh: when doing "resynchronise with Debian" uploads, please use debuild/dpkg-buildpackage's -v switch to include all changelog entries since the last version in breezy in the .changes file12:06
fabbioneogra, seb128: without that lib the apps sees only on huge display made of the sum of the xinerama displays12:07
Kamionah, I see you did that for oo2c but not for gaphor12:07
ografabbione, ah, that explains everything :)12:07
fabbioneogra, seb128: that lib returns to the apps the proper info per screen/monitor12:07
seb128fabbione: cool, thanks12:07
infinityfabbione : Next couple of hourse, I'm sure.12:07
infinityhours, too.12:07
seb128fabbione: enjoy your lunch :)12:07
fabbioneinfinity: ok.. than i am going to eat something and ttyl12:07
infinityfabbione : Mmkay.12:08
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pittiseb128: it seems that the default libao output driver is already esd, so is there any action to be taken? (#15692)12:19
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seb128pitti: esd seems to have issue, so I was wondering if we should switch it12:22
seb128pitti: if we keep esd we need to figure why gaim sound events don't work out of the box12:22
Lathiatthey dont? mine do and piss me off12:22
Keybukhmm, where do we remount filesystems readonly?12:23
Keybuksorry, I mean readwrite12:23
seb128Lathiat: read #1569212:23
pittiseb128: that's really  odd, why should esd fail for gaim when it works for other programs?12:23
seb128pitti: what other program uses libao?12:24
seb128pitti: not sure, maybe libao is bugged12:24
pittiseb128: mpg321, gnomoradio, vorbis-tools, quake2 :-)12:26
pittiseb128: I try mpg321 now12:26
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ajmitchand I think I had sound issues there12:26
pittiseb128: mpg321 works OOTB, and stops as soon as I kill esd12:27
seb128pitti: cool12:28
danielser, what?12:29
pittiseb128: lemme remove my gaim conf12:29
danielsyou don't need xxf86vm unless you want hardcore details like the exact timings of the current mode12:29
pittiseb128: works perfectly OOTB12:30
pittiseb128: not for you?12:30
seb128pitti: gaim automatic and libao default works fine here12:33
seb128pitti: WORKSFORME12:35
seb128pitti: thanks12:35
seb128pitti: BTW, did you ping ross about sj?12:35
bob2wow, the version of host in breezy is a lot more chatty12:39
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pittiseb128: ross was not online in #gnome-hackers last time I checked12:44
Keybukhmm, interesting, syslogd hangs when I start it12:45
seb128pitti: he's on jabber12:45
Robot101redoing the sound was my first gaim patch... :)12:45
seb128Robot101: using libao sucks :p12:45
Robot101that wasn't me12:45
Robot101it'd be trivial to patch it to use gstreamer12:46
Robot101I nearly did once12:46
seb128pitti: I pinged him on that12:46
Robot101they might do for 2.0 if they're going multimedia stuff12:46
infinitybob2 : bind9-host, or 'host'?... 'host' hasn't changed for eons, and has the behaviour/output I prefer, but people tell me I'm outdated and I suck.12:46
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bob2infinity: bind9-host, I guess12:47
bob2maybe I just didn't have it installed on hoary12:47
Mithrandirinfinity: no, we just tell you you're outdated, not that you suck.12:47
pittiseb128: I mail him (CC you)12:47
seb128pitti: don't bother ... or you have a fix?12:47
pittiseb128: I didn't look into the code, but it looks easy12:48
pitti(I saw the patch)12:48
seb128(what patch? the --device=?)12:49
pittiyes12:49
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fabbioneinfinity: ping?01:02
bob2baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah01:02
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bob2dovecot-common indirectly conflicts with mysql-serv-4.1 in hoary01:02
infinityfabbione : pong.01:02
fabbioneinfinity: i think our chroots on the buildd are dirty.. but i need you to check with me if you have time01:03
fabbioneinfinity: can you please bootstrap a clean buildd chroot and tell me if you have /usr/lib/menu ?01:03
fabbioneif so what pkg does own it?01:03
infinityIs there a specific buildd you're concerned about, or just in general?01:04
fabbionegeneral01:04
fabbionei think it's on all arches01:04
fabbionelike one pkg that hasn't been deinstalled properly01:04
infinitybuildd@yellow:~$ sudo chroot build-breezy/chroot-breezy/ su - root@yellow:~ # ls /usr/lib/menu ls: /usr/lib/menu: No such file or directory01:06
fabbioneinfinity: ok can you please install hpliph build-deps01:06
fabbioneand tell me if you get that dir?01:06
fabbioneif so what file is in it?01:06
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fabbioneinfinity: yes but please use a buildd chroot01:08
infinityNo difference between local and the buildds.01:08
fabbioneok01:08
infinityI assume you meant 'hplip'? :001:09
fabbionemeh yes01:09
\shKamion: thx...I forgot it for one package though...sry01:09
Lathiatanyone with xorg clue about?01:09
infinity(breezy)root@cthulhu:~ # ls /usr/lib/menu01:09
infinityls: /usr/lib/menu: No such file or directory01:09
Dizietinfiniti: You want adsnhost :-).  </plug>01:10
Diziets/iti/ity/; #oops01:10
Lathiatfor some reason on both my machines with ati and nvidia, the drivers load fine glxinfo shows DRI fine etc but performance is akin to mesa on both, i even tried installing the drivers official from nvidia.. so i think theres something whack happening, any clues?01:10
fabbioneinfinity: ok, can you please build hplip now?01:10
fabbioneinfinity: it should fail at dh_something01:10
infinityDiziet : Hrm?01:11
fabbioneinfinity: if you can also repeat the checks using /usr/share/applications01:12
fabbioneinfinity: because that dir is not on a default buildd chroot01:12
fabbioneor shouldn't01:12
infinityI have /usr/share/apps, but no applications.01:12
infinity(with the build-deps installed)01:13
fabbionewhat pkg is pulling it in?01:13
infinitypython01:13
fabbioneinfinity: no i meant /usr/share/applications <-01:14
fabbionein full path01:14
\shdoko: ping01:14
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Mithrandirjbailey: isn't 13387 fixed with the last upload?01:14
pittiseb128: cool, Ross sent a patch01:15
ograKamion, ping01:15
Kamionogra: pong01:15
infinityfabbione : Yes, like I said, I have no "applications" file/directory, just "apps"01:15
fabbioneinfinity: ok perfect. can you please build hplip in that chroot+01:16
infinityhplip is FTBFS before it hits any dh_ stuff.01:16
infinityDies in make install.01:16
ograKamion, i had to split out anouther package from xscreensaver (xscreensaver-utils) since some hacks need the text and the image loader, could you new it after my next upload ? xscreensaver-data depends on it01:16
fabbioneinfinity: ok thanks!01:16
Dizietinfinity: adnshost is a tool for querying the DNS from command lines, shell scripts, and the like.  It has sensible behaviour unlike the various versions of host (most of which are on crack).  host is usually trying to be a DNS _diagnosis_ tool which is not what you usually want, and of course if you wanted that you wanted dig not some lame luserified thing.01:16
infinityrm -f ./01:16
infinityrm: cannot remove `./': Is a directory01:16
infinitymake[4] : *** [install-data-hook]  Error 101:16
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fabbioneinfinity: that means we had dirty chroot for a while, or one build-dep has changed...01:17
Kamionogra: is elmo not around? (please don't ask me unless he's not)01:17
fabbioneinfinity: thanks for the tests01:17
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fabbioneinfinity: now the funny thing is that there is no way to tell configure about that dir without chainging configure.in test :/01:17
Keybuk... I think I may finally have a hold on what's causing missing /dev/input/mice01:17
ograKamion, away since 7h ... i just want to avoid broken CD builds...01:18
Keybukit'd also explain why joysticks don't appear after boot01:18
fabbioneinfinity: or pull in a build-dep of whatever pkg foo that has that dir01:18
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infinityfabbione : Dozens of packages have that dir.01:18
Kamionogra: you won't break CD builds; all binaries from a given source are held in the queue until the new ones are processed01:18
fabbioneinfinity: yes.. but not hplip B-D :)01:18
infinityfabbione : A nice lightweight one for /usr/lib/menu would be procps. :)01:18
ograKamion, ok01:18
fabbioneinfinity: check at least the 4 chroots that did build hplip last01:19
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fabbioneinfinity: they managed to build with /usr/lib/menu or /usr/share/applications (i386 at least)01:19
ograKamion, i'll mail him ...01:19
Kamionogra: elmo processes NEW pretty regularly; I don't think there's any need at all to nag01:20
ograKamion, ok01:20
infinityfabbione : Curious, amd64 was build on yellow, and that's the one I just checked.01:20
infinityfabbione : The chroot WAS dirty, but not with those two directories.01:20
fabbioneinfinity: probably when it was built, there was extra clutter01:21
fabbionethese 2 dirs, disappear on pkgs purge01:21
fabbioneso they are not left there or something01:21
infinityfabbione : Or, a build-dep changed from under our feet.01:21
fabbionethat's possible too01:22
fabbionenow the question is..01:22
fabbionewhere do we want these .desktop files?01:22
infinityDirty chroots don't clean themselves.  If there was a package installed with that dir, it would still have been isntalled when I got there.01:22
fabbione./usr/lib/menu or /usr/share/applications ?01:22
\shfabbione: the correct location is /usr/share/applications 01:24
\shfabbione: or /usr/share/applications/kde for kde application .desktop files01:24
infinity\sh : BTW, I fixed up oleo for you (which was FTBFS)... You owe me a favour.01:24
\shinfinity: arg...jbailey told me that we can morgue it ,-)01:25
infinity\sh : Can you forward my changes to the Debian maintainer?01:25
\shinfinity: but I have to transition the ace package...or did u change the rdepend package?01:26
infinity\sh : I rebuilt dbbalancer.01:26
infinity\sh : Was there anything else that needed a build?01:26
\shinfinity: I don't think so...we will morgue yehia and gql 01:27
\shlibhid I fixed01:27
\shthe only lib which is left is aqsis (http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=11387)01:27
\shand this is upstream bug...but upstream never responded...01:28
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infinityOh, I meant to smack you for that one.01:28
fabbioneinfinity: well it makes absolutely no difference..01:28
fabbioneinfinity: we only need to make the build happy..01:28
Lathiatinfinity: can you clear dep-waits?01:28
infinityUsing the term "FTBFS" with upstreams who aren't Debian is likely to cause great confusion. :)01:28
fabbionethe only .desktop is shipped somewhere completely different01:28
danielsoh shit, I bet xresprobe got rejected earlier01:28
infinity\sh : "FTBFS" is a pretty Debian-centric term.01:29
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danielselmo: unstable -> breezy suite mapping in katie plskthx01:29
infinityLathiat : I can.  What's got a broken dep-wait?01:29
Lathiatbochs01:29
Lathiatassuming ajmitch didnt get it cleared earlier01:29
infinitydaniels : If that happened, I'd misfire Debian uploads at Ubuntu and they'd get accepted.  Best if we never have suite name overlap.01:30
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\shinfinity: well...it's not compiling thats all 01:30
infinity\sh : Right, then say that. :)01:31
\shinfinity: it's not compiling01:31
\sh,-)01:31
Lathiatinfinity: yeh so its dep-waited on aalib-dev but thats old and its been fix in the last sync to libaa-dev01:32
infinityLathiat : Done.01:33
Lathiatinfinity: cheers01:34
Mithrandirdoko: 15452, re the java support in ooo2.  Can you answer that?01:35
infinity\sh : Have you seen Debian bug #317542?01:35
infinity\sh : Looks like your GCC 4.0 failure is fixed ina newer CVS snapshot (and in Debian)01:36
dokoMithrandir: that's mpeg2dec?01:36
Mithrandirdoko: uhm, sorry, wrong bug01:37
Mithrandirdoko: 15521 is the one I meant01:37
infinity\sh : Shall I upload a fixed version for you?  (It will also require the patch from #324025)01:37
\shinfinity: i will do it :)01:37
infinity\sh : Alright, no need to request a sync, since you'll have to do a manual -Xubuntu1 upload anyway to include the patch from bug# 32402501:38
\shinfinity: I think this patch I have included...anyways...I will work on this 01:38
MithrandirKamion: have you gotten anywhere with the /part problem in partman?01:39
infinity\sh : Note that nothing rdepends on aqsis-libs, so not renaming the package (as the Debian maintainer didn't do so either) is probably no big deal.01:39
\shinfinity: k01:40
dokoahh, ok: replace the first ooo2 with ooo2-writer, the second ooo2 with ooo2-base01:40
dokoMithrandir: ^^^01:40
infinity\sh : So, I'd just take his latest upload, apply the patch, call it -2ubuntu1, and upload.  But that's just me.01:40
dokoKamion: what's the easiest way to see, if a package is on the livecd/desktop/ship ?01:41
Mithrandirdoko: for -base it's already there?01:41
Keybukusplash gets very upset if you don't switch to gdm afterwards01:41
Keybukshouldn't there be a chvt 1 as S99 if vt != X01:42
dokoMithrandir: no01:42
Mithrandir: tfheen@golem ~ > apt-cache show openoffice.org2-base |grep ^Recommends01:42
MithrandirRecommends: lib32gcj6 | java-gcj-compat | j2re1.4 | java2-runtime01:42
Mithrandirdoko: say again? :-)01:42
spaceyI'm running breezy on a server with 4GB memory, however the ubuntu kernels only see 3GB. is this supposed to be?01:43
dokoMithrandir: please _read_ the report01:43
Mithrandirdoko: hmm01:44
infinityKeybuk : Or something like that, yeah.  I was going to poke at it later to figure out what the least icky way to fix it is.01:45
Mithrandirdoko: why doesn't one of them suffice, and if it doesn't why isn't there a dependency in place?01:45
infinityKeybuk : Especially ugly for server installs with usplash installed (though, I'm not sure why you'd do this)01:45
mjrspacey, I take it it's a 32-bit server; you need to use a kernel where 4 gig addressing is enabled01:45
mjrspacey, (it slows things down a bit so it may not be by default)01:45
spaceymjr, to set it to 3 is a bit wierd?01:46
dokoMithrandir: we already had this discussion ... one time the interpreter is called, one time, the library is dlopened, so you need both. we don't have a complete 32bit java runtime.01:47
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infinityLathiat : Feh, there's no libsvga1-dev on amd64.01:47
Lathiatinfinity: hrm01:48
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spaceyCONFIG_HIGHMEM4G=y is in the kernel config file01:48
Lathiatdoesnt it have an arched build-dep for that01:48
dokoMithrandir: it was not a dependency, because you can use -base using another db as well. In 1.9.129, it will be a dependency, ooo2-writer will have a recommends, and ooo2 still has the suggestion01:48
Lathiatoh i see, libsvga1-dev [i386 amd64] , to include it not exclude it ;)01:48
spaceyhave to go now, i'll check further later. 01:49
Lathiatinfinity: weird, i cant see any attempts to build svgalib on !i38601:49
Lathiatinfinity: is something blocking it?01:49
KamionMithrandir: partman-auto 41ubuntu5 is intended to get me more information, and maybe fix some of it01:50
Kamiondoko: look at the .list (install) / .manifest (live) files on cdimage01:50
Mithrandirdoko: I just think it looks _bloody_ ugly and would so much rather have java-gcj-compat produce a metapackage or something like that.01:51
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dokoMIthrandir: why? it's only OOo2 dlopening libgcj6, I don't know of any other app01:52
Kamionok, it's deeply confusing that we're now getting security vulnerabilities discovered by "David Watson"01:52
Kamion(since that's my father's name)01:52
Mithrandirdoko: I guess I'll make it a hard dependency on lib32gcj6, then.  Just to unbloat the depends line a little.01:53
dokoMithrandir: ok with me01:53
dokoMithrandir: hopefully there's still place on the amd64 CD, maybe Kamion knows better01:54
Kamionyou could look yourself :)01:54
dokosyncing :-)01:54
infinityLathiat : Yes, it's in Packages-arch-specific as i386-only.01:54
Kamionhttp://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/current/, subtract displayed size from 65001:54
Kamionyou've got 9MB left on amd6401:54
Lathiatinfinity: it says Arhchitecure: any here..01:55
Lathiatin showsrc01:55
Kamionnote that that isn't necessarily free-for-all space though; the more space we have left at the end to fill up with language packs, the better01:55
infinityLathiat : P-a-s is a file specifically to override that.01:55
Lathiatinfinity: oh right01:55
Lathiatinfinity: why is it overriden?01:55
KamionLathiat: because people suck01:55
Kamion(approximately :-))01:55
Lathiat;)01:55
infinityLathiat : What Kamion said.01:55
infinityLathiat : There's  along-held belief in Debian that a select few people are a bit less clueless than most of the developers.  While this view ois obviously unpopular, it turns out to be generally true.01:56
infinityAlso, typing skills do not correlate iwht clue, just in case you're about to invoke some irony clause.01:56
mjg59seb128: Have you had a chance to include that hibernat key patch?01:56
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YagisanG'day, is it too late to ask for a driver to be included in the kernel ?02:01
hungerpowernowd still claims [ ok ]  even when it failed to start:-(02:03
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magnonis there known problems with update-notifier? It keeps running away with my CPU on my powerbook :P02:07
YagisanWould it be possible to add the ITE8212 IDE driver to breezy's kernel ? It can be found in vanilla 2.6.13 /drivers/ide/pci/it821x.c02:08
YagisanThere are people regularly asking how to use ITE8212 IDE interfaces on ubuntu-users so it would be really nice to have.02:08
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sivangmjg59: around?02:10
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seb128mjg59: not yet, I'll look that this afternoon02:14
fabbioneYagisan: yes, it's a bit too late02:14
fabbioneYagisan: kernel feature freeze was done quite a while ago02:14
fabbioneand full freeze is in less than 10 days02:14
Keybuk*giggle* I like the fact that if you put "reboot" in your startup sequence, all the shutdown messages still go to usplash <g>02:15
fabbioneKeybuk: ahaha02:16
KeybukBenC: ping?02:17
fabbioneKeybuk: re 14131.. i will test it tomorrow02:17
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jbaileyMithrandir: Yes, several of them are.  I need to go through and do a mop-up of the initrd-tools/initramfs-tools bugs today.02:26
Mithrandirjbailey: ook02:27
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mjg59sivang: Hi02:31
mjg59seb128: Thanks02:31
sivangmjg59: I've seeing weird hickups from my Dell 8200 Inspiron machine, everytime you attempt CPU speed scaling, everything freezes up until it's over, known?02:32
siretartogra: thank you for fixing gnome-screensaver :) - I closed the bug02:33
ograsiretart, it works ? 02:33
sivangmjg59: other then that, breezy now beats XP allowing this machine to work 1:20hrs instead of 20m 02:33
sivangmjg59: so , power saving support rocks02:34
siretartogra: yepp, as expected!02:34
ograYAY !!02:34
siretart:)02:34
ograthats a bug i carry with me since ages, even with xscreensaver :)02:34
mjg59sivang: what processor is it?02:34
sivangmjg59: Pentium M 1.8Gigs02:34
sivangmjg59: sorry, Pentium IV MObile02:35
sladensivang: there'll be (a little) bit more from dynamic tick eventually02:35
sivang(that is the older series)02:35
sivangsladen: what do you mean? (Excuse my ignorance)02:35
mjg59sivang: What cpufreq module is being loaded?02:36
sivangmjg59: let me check, I'll pull it out and power it02:36
mjg59sivang: Thanks02:36
mjg59elmo: Is power management still broken on your Powerbook?02:36
danielsit's still broken on my X40, but I'd rather complain than give you the debugging output you want02:39
magnonhm :/ update-notifier keeps running away here02:40
mjg59daniels: Yeah, and your mother dresses you funny02:40
bob2siretart: crumbs.ertius.org/~rob/debian/lyx/ has been sitting there for a while, btw. not in sid yet due to gcc being broken.02:41
seb128mjg59: have you tried the hibernate patch?02:42
sladenLathiat: are you confident that g-s-t is putting on the volume mute/change head-up-display.  I can't find it in the source02:42
Lathiatg-s-*t* ?02:42
mjg59seb128: No02:43
seb128mjg59: "do_sleep_action ("gdm-signal -z");" but "do_sleep_action (char *cmd1, char *cmd2)", I'll put a NULL for the second argument, or do you have an alternative hibernate action?02:44
jdubsladen: gnome-settings-daemon02:44
mjg59seb128: Ah, shit, sorry. Yes, NULL is fine.02:44
seb128mjg59: np, will do the patch/upload now. Any other patch/change for g-c-c since I'm working on it atm?02:44
danielsmjg59: DOES NOT02:45
mjg59Nope, should be fine02:45
seb128k02:45
danielsfabbione: please add a dep on libstdc++5 to xorg-driver-fglrx02:45
danielsi thought I did this, but evidently not02:45
fabbionedaniels: argh ok...02:46
siretartbob2: cool. I'll throw it in my pbuilder02:47
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sladenjdub: ah, gnome-control-centre, ta02:47
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fabbionedaniels: why do we need that Depends btw? i can't remember02:48
siretartdaniels: is the xorg ati/radeon driver in breezy latest? I wonder if it is supposed to work with non rectangular desktop sizes in mergedfb mode ( I saw a commit message that this feature was ported from the sis driver)02:48
danielsfabbione: fglrx_dri has a whole bunch of C++ code that links against it02:48
fabbioneok02:48
danielsso presumably dh_shlibdeps doesn't pack that up from within /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/dri02:48
fabbionehmm strange because we force GCC and CC to 3.402:49
danielssiretart: no, and non-rectangular mergedfb support won't be added02:49
infinityfabbione : Which means what, exactly, when shipping pre-build binaries we didn't compile?02:49
infinitys/build/built/02:49
danielsfabbione: yes.  but how much of the userspace stuff is compiled? :P02:49
fabbioneinfinity: right...02:49
danielsdamnit.  outwitted by a combination of infinity and burstlag.02:50
siretartdaniels: :( - due to lack of time or because it is fundamentally broken?02:50
danielssiretart: partially lack-of-time, partially because I have no desire to make our patchset even betigger02:50
fabbionedaniels: anything else?02:50
siretartdaniels: ok02:51
danielsfabbione: not that I can think of02:51
fabbioneok02:51
fabbionedaniels: fixed...02:53
fabbionei am off for the day02:53
fabbionecan you please keep an eye that it will hit archive?02:54
fabbioneSuccessfully uploaded packages.02:54
danielsmmm02:54
fabbionedand: ?02:55
fabbioneops02:55
fabbionedaniels: ?02:55
danielsokay02:55
fabbionethanks02:55
seb128ogra: could you document from the changelog the files you modify when you change a GNOME package? thanks02:56
ograseb128, ok, sorry02:56
seb128ogra: that makes the sync job with Debian much easier02:56
seb128np02:56
ograseb128, yup... it was the schemas file, i think we'll use our own anyway in the future02:57
ograsince the selection of the defaul saers is done there...02:57
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ogradefault savers, grmpf02:57
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DizietMy `System / Preferences' menu has two entries labelled `Screensaver' with different icons.  Is this a known bug ?03:00
ograDiziet, upgrade ;)03:00
sivangmjg59: how to check which modules are loaded?03:00
Dizietogra: That was from an hour or two ago.  If it's fixed since then, fine, I'm sure it'll sort itself out tomorrow :-).03:01
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ograDiziet, the most recent gnome-screensaver solves that :)03:01
mjg59sivang: lsmod03:01
Dizietogra: Fair enough.  Thanks for saving me writing a bug :-).03:02
ogra:)03:02
sivangmjg59:  no , I meant - should I grep for anything specific ?03:02
mjg59sivang: clockmod or speedstep03:03
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sladenmjg59: please can you give me your preference on   {kernel driver, userspace daemon} that punts fake {acpi hkey events, keypresses matching your keycode map}03:03
sivangmjg59: no clockmod, just speedstep stuff03:03
mjg59sladen: Context?03:04
mjg59sladen: If they're generic laptop hotkeys, then generate key events03:04
mjg59acpi_fakekey is probably the easiest way of doing that03:05
mjg59sivang: Ok. In that case, I'm not sure why you have the latency03:05
jbaileyKeybuk: *poke* re: 1510303:05
sladenmjg59: thinkpads that don't have hardware volume.  aka R30, R31, R32, R40e03:06
jbaileyKeybuk: I accept the drop to enhancement for severity, since that's what it is.  I had placed it at major since it blocks two major bugs.03:06
sivangmjg59: it more then latency, the machien stops for the duration of the attempt. 03:06
Keybukjbailey: right, but it can't block those bugs because we don't have a time-machine :)03:06
sladenmjg59: and for doing head-up display of the changed state on all the rest of the laptops and hooking the [ThinkPad] /[Access IBM]  button03:06
Keybukso it can't be a fix for those bugs03:07
mjg59sivang: Yes, that's what I mean03:07
jbaileyRight, but I need a suggestion from someone who knows dpkg/apt and such.03:07
Keybukimplementing Breaks for breezy would only be useful for preventing those kind of bugs in future03:07
mjg59sladen: Detect those machines and *only for them* send volume events03:07
sivangmjg59: hmmm, apparently I get [X.Y]  cpufreq: change failed with new_state 1 and result 0 several constantly on the tty103:07
mjg59Look at the way that the Toshiba acpi scripts do it03:07
Keybukjbailey: what exactly is the problem, with which packages?03:07
mjg59sivang: Ok, in that case we probably shouldn't be loading that module03:07
sladenmjg59: yes but $what to "send volume events"03:07
jbaileyKeybuk: 11135 and 14661 shows the problems.03:08
mjg59sladen: See /etc/acpi/volupbtn.sh03:08
DizietI think Breaks might be just a little late for breezy, unfortunately.03:08
mjg59sivang: Which speedstep module is running?03:08
Kamionyes, I was about to say the same; it's a big change03:08
sivangmjg59: let' see:03:08
jbaileyKeybuk: glibc upgrade breaks partial upgrades of old initrd-tools (can't boot the system), and kills upgrades of any debconf using package when the user uses readline  mode.03:08
Keybukjbailey: why can't <package that causes the problem> depend on the <package that catalysts it> ?03:08
KamionWill breezy's apt fall over trying to read Packages files from dapper if dapper's Packages files start including Breaks fields?03:09
MithrandirKamion: it shouldn't no.03:09
Kamionhopefully not03:09
jbaileyKeybuk: initrd-tools and libreadline-gnu-perl aren't essential on breezy systems.  I don't want to force them to be installed.03:09
MithrandirKamion: it should just ignore them.03:09
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Mithrandirjbailey: any idea on 8517 ?03:09
Kamionalthough it wouldn't handle the upgrade properly to take account of them, so we'd have to wait 'til dapper+1 anyway03:09
jdub_lifeless: please ignore recent transmission :-)03:09
jbaileyMithrandir: I'd like to finish harrassing Scott on this if I could, first...03:09
Dizietkamion: Indeed so.  The timeline for getting the new support working is quite long.03:10
Mithrandirjbailey: please do.03:10
Keybukthere really isn't any way to fix this kind of problem with the current dependency set03:10
sladenmjg59: so answering part (b) Keycode 176 is your preference.  Now onto part (a) is a userspace daemon and accessing /dev/nvram better.  Or toshiba style kernel driver.03:10
DizietAIUI apt doesn't have the stuff that the dselect methods have, where first thing they try to do is upgrade the tools.03:10
Keybukyou could make the preinst fail if an old version of one of those packages is installed and not to be upgraded03:10
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DizietUrgh.03:10
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KamionDiziet: apt does upgrade dpkg and apt very early in practice, but it doesn't re-exec itself to recalculate the upgrade using any new algorithms therein.03:11
sivangmjg59: speedstep_smi, speedstep_lib, freq_table, cpufraq_stats03:11
mjg59sivang: Ok, you probably ought to be on speedstep-ich03:11
Dizietk: Hmm.03:12
jbaileyGoing once..03:12
jbaileytwice...03:12
mjg59sladen: It's already exposed to userspace, so do it in userspace03:12
sladensivang: that's a fallback, can you get one of the other speedstep drivers to drive it03:12
ograseb128, do you know if there is any work for #12620 planned by the gnome-screensaver guys ? i see a fade option in the code, but it seems not to be used yet03:12
jbaileyLooks sold.  preinst check it is. =)03:12
mjg59sladen: Sounds like the same problem with speedstep-ich not being loaded on machines it should be loaded on03:12
DizietAlso, remember that Breaks would replace some other dependency fields, so you might well find that apt was working on a subset of the dependencies.03:12
DizietNow I come to think of it that might work rather well :-).03:12
mjg59sladen: Any P4 is going to be on an ich system03:12
Dizietdpkg would still know to autodeconfigure.  (I assume apt passes that option.)03:12
sivangmjg59: AFAICT I am, this is a speedstep machine, as noted by the CMOS setup03:13
sladenmjg59: yes, there's a bug and patch about it.  The regex that checks /proc/ioports needs a .* adding when grepping for ICH03:13
Mithrandirmjg59: uhm, so my p4-clockmod fix is useless, really?03:13
sladenmjg59: it's now showing up as  Intel 12345ICH  which no-longer matches the Regex 'Intel ICH'03:13
sivanglol, so we need apply this patch and be done with it or is there more to that?03:14
sladenmjg59: it's a 2 byte patch   s/Intel ICH/Intel.*ICH/ in the grep /proc/ioports line of cpufreq-detech.sh03:14
KamionDiziet: it doesn't appear to03:14
bob2is the "print timestamps in dmsg" thing an ubuntu patch or a 2.6.12 thing?03:15
shackanwhy my launchpad account does not work on bugzilla? do I need another registration for that ?03:15
Kamionbob2: 2.6.12 I believe03:15
sladenMithrandir: I thought p4-clockmod was a hack so hackish that the author (davej) recommends against using it03:15
Mithrandirsladen: that might be, but we're getting bugs about it not being enabled.03:16
mjg59Mithrandir: No, some P4s don't have speedstep03:16
sladenshackan: in future, you will only ever need *one* launchpad login, launchpad will take over your soul03:16
mptshackan: Bugzilla will be retired in a few months, so it's not worth implementing the shared login scheme03:16
sladenMithrandir: the correct response is that it shouldn't be03:16
sladenMithrandir: (IMHO)03:16
sivangshackan: I think it's planned that launchpad's malone will be the sole bugtracker for ubuntu, so then you wouldn't have to have more the one account.03:17
jbaileyMithrandir: The author of 8517 is confused.  Sarge's initrd-tools always loads fan and thermal.03:17
sladenMithrandir: hence the string that says "This is intentionally disabled"03:17
shackanok thanks, I've found a bug and posted it on malone, then I've been told to post it on bugzilla, I want to avoid duplicating stuff, what should I do ?03:17
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sivangshackan: you can open it up in bugzilla as well, and link it from malone, so both people using those will be alerted to the bug03:18
sladenMithrandir: could change it to  "workaround enabled.  p4-clockmod disabled"03:18
seb128ogra: put a bug on bugzilla.gnome about it, upstream is quite responsive03:18
mjg59sladen: Is the patch in bugzilla somewhere?03:18
mptsivang: in theory ;-)03:18
ograseb128, ok, i think the already planned it, else the option would make no sense... i'll look for a bug then...03:19
Mithrandirjbailey: ok, so it's not a problem now that we've switched to initramfs?03:19
Robot101yay initramfs :)03:19
sladenmjg59: yes.  I was looking at it yesterday and did a couple of checks that it fixes other people's bugs too03:19
jbaileyMithrandir: I don't think that the problem is any different than before.  Just that his assertion that it worked with Sarge seems unlikely.03:19
jbaileyOh wait.03:19
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sladenmjg59: http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/1578803:20
mjg59sladen: Thanks03:20
jbaileymjg59: thermal loads processor.03:20
sivangmpt: in theory re: cpufreq, or launchpad' tagging of bugzilla bugs? :-)03:21
mptsivang: the latter03:21
jbaileymjg59: So I still maintain that it wasn't different in sArge, unless the older kernel didn't have this dependancy.03:21
sivangmpt: lol, IIRC , I saw some bugs already linked that way, no? 03:21
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sladenmjg59: I've just viciously marked several as duplicates of that03:23
slomoseb128: ping?03:25
seb128slomo: pong03:25
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bddebianMorning03:26
slomoseb128: do you plan to add a gst cdio plugin later? https://launchpad.net/malone/bugs/175003:26
seb128slomo: yep03:27
slomoseb128: ok, already for breezy?03:27
seb128slomo: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MainInclusionReportLibcdio03:27
seb128slomo: I'll ping mdz later, I've not noticed that pitti did approve the wiki page03:28
slomoseb128: fine :) less work for me ;) otherwise i would've added it to gstreamer-plugins-multiverse for breezy03:28
slomoseb128: libmms is already uploaded and should be in NEW currently03:28
mptsivang: Yes, they're linked, but the link doesn't do anything yet03:28
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seb128slomo: please don't create potential conflict for gst-plugins0.803:29
seb128slomo: I appreciate you packaging gst-plugins-multiverse, but that should be a place for non-free stuff, not for non-pushed-to-official-package ones03:30
slomoseb128: ok, that's why i asked you before... but another question... would it make problems for the wavpack plugin for example when you add it to the official gst plugins later? when you keep the binary package name nothing should collide, correct?03:32
seb128slomo: if 2 packages ship the same file we have an issue03:33
Lathiatfabbione: did daniels say something about the libstdc++5 thing or did you just happen to pick that up at the same time as i was tlaking about it?03:33
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seb128slomo: and if -multiverse ship a package which should be moved to the official package we have to "Replaces" the previous version which create diff from Debian and sync work, and issues, etc03:34
slomoseb128: even when the package name stays the same and just moves from one source package to another with higher version number?03:35
seb128slomo: if the package name is the same no, but we can't ship 2 packages with the same name03:36
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MithrandirKamion: what do you think about http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=315929 ?  (And the fix from bubulle)03:37
seb128slomo: ie: you have decided to make a gstreamer0.8-wavpack, but you don't know if the Debian maintainer will do a separate package for it, or ship it with -misc by example, or if he will use the same name for the binary package03:38
slomoseb128: ok... well, when wavpack is ready i won't ship it anymore so it should be no problem :) but in the future i'll talk to you about every new plugin i want to add unless it's clearly a multiverse candidate03:38
=== magnon wonders if there really should be bible study programs in universe :P
ogramagnon, why not ?03:38
sivangmjg59: let me know if you have a testing package with the fix in, so I can test 03:38
mjg59sivang: I'll upload one later today03:38
seb128slomo: thanks. So we can at least talk with the Debian maintainer to pick the same choices03:39
slomoseb128: hmm... -misc would be not intelligent as it adds one dependency imho... i'll talk to the debian maintainer when the time has come ;)03:39
sivangmjg59: cool then, just if you need preupload testing.03:39
siretartbob2: in lyx, you disallow python 2.4 (control states python << 2.4). Is this for a reason?03:39
seb128slomo: you can talk about it on #gnome-debian (gimpnet) with lool03:39
seb128he's the maintainer03:39
magnonogra, because "linux for human beings" should thereby include features for those studying the Koran or writings about Vishnu ;)03:40
Mithrandirmagnon: sure, is there free software which does that?03:40
magnonnever seen any03:40
Mithrandirmagnon: it's a bit hard to include non-existent software03:41
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ograi heard about some quran software, nobody seems to have packaged it yet03:41
slomoseb128: ok, i'll do when it has matured enough... currently it segfaults much too often :( i'll investigate further after my exams this and next week... shouldn't be that hard to fix03:41
magnonwe're just having a laugh of all the stuff lying around in Universe. Nothing more :)03:41
ogramagnon, if someone writes/packages such software, we'll ship it03:41
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seb128slomo: thanks03:41
seb128wb pitti, feeling better?03:42
bddebianpitti: Hello.  Did you see my message about libpgtcl the other day?03:42
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ogramagnon, and a broken gnomesword at warty time caused a ML thread with a huge amount of msgs, so it seems this package is demanded a lot03:43
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magnonseems so03:44
KamionMithrandir: bubulle's fix doesn't seem obviously wrong, but I'd have to test it in (a) normal path (b) backup (c) preseeding03:45
MithrandirKamion: so post-breezy?03:46
magnonCould anyone give me a tip in debugging update-manager?03:46
magnonIt chugs 100% CPU here all the time until killed03:46
magnonit starts gracefully sometimes though, but seldomly03:47
KamionMithrandir: no, if you want to run through a quick test of those three scenarios it can certainly be pre-breezy03:50
ogramagnon, file a bug for mvo ?03:51
mvomagnon: ppc?03:51
MithrandirKamion: my d-i test environment isn't really working well atm due to a broken dvd burner03:51
magnonmvo? (sorry, just got up)03:51
magnonmvo, yeah03:51
pittiseb128: slightly better, thnaks03:51
magnonoh, mvo the person? :)03:51
mvomagnon: good timing, I just build a package that may fix the problem03:51
pittibddebian: hm, not sure03:51
KamionMithrandir: ah, ok, added to my list of stuff to test03:52
magnonah, ship it over if you want me to test it :)03:52
seb128pitti: ross rolled a sj 2.12.2 with the patch and dholbach packaged it03:52
bddebianpitti: I was tryin to package that libpgtcl from the URL that you sent me but I was looking over their site and it has only been built/tested against postgre 7.4 afaict.03:52
mvomagnon: please give http://people.ubuntu.com/~mvo/update-notifier/update-notifier_0.40.8.fix1_powerpc.deb a try03:53
magnonwill do03:53
pittiseb128: rock - that was fast :-)03:53
seb128pitti: yep :)03:53
pittibddebian: it should be a mere client application, and only use libpq-dev03:53
mvomagnon: can we discuss the details on #update-notifier? it's probably not interessting for everyone in this channel :)03:53
magnonsure03:53
pittibddebian: therefore the server version should not matter03:53
bddebianpitti: Hmm, ok03:55
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ogradesrt, who is john ? (#14967) 04:03
Keybukbah, well, I've rebooted this box nearly 200 times and still can't make /dev/input/mice vanish04:03
desrtogra; john mccutchan -- inotify coauthor04:04
desrtwe had coffee on the weekend and discussed all things inotify :p04:04
jdubdesrt: :-)04:04
jdubcool04:04
ogradesrt, you should probably mention the full name in bugreports, there are *some* other johns out there ;)04:04
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WaterSevenUbkamion, post-install "ubuntu-configuration" ... the strings "Installing Packages" and "Preparing X" package are not translated? The title now is translated (to pt.po). Did you see the email I mentioned to u during the weekend?:)04:04
desrtjdub; arrrr!!!04:05
seb128desrt: I mailed him, he said I should send a bug upstream04:05
desrtya.  he mentioned that the kernel actually has a _bugzilla_04:05
desrti had no idea04:05
seb128"It was supposed to fix a kernel problem, but I think we overlooked one04:05
seb128case where this could be called when it wasn't from a delete operation.04:05
seb128"04:05
desrthttp://bugzilla.kernel.org/04:05
seb128he said that04:06
seb128oh cool, it was on my list to do04:06
seb128"search the linux bug tracker :)"04:06
desrti'll do it04:06
desrti have a bit of time to kill before class04:06
jdubseb128: oh, you looking into the icons-with-text-previews-disappear issue?04:06
ogradesrt, that'd be sooo cool, its release critical for edubuntu to have this one solved :)04:06
seb128jdub: I don't have this issue and the first bug we got today about this was today04:07
ogra(since i mix gnome and KDE there)04:07
seb128jdub: why do you speak about this like it was a known issue :)04:07
seb128desrt: thanks04:07
jdubboh! i thought i found a report04:07
jduboh man04:07
jdubnow i have this stupid feenode bot pinging me all the time04:07
seb128jdub: we have "KDE entry are not listed by the GNOME menu" bog, but I found that a nice feature :)04:08
ograseb128, :P04:08
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jdubheh04:09
desrtpitti; don't trust the dissenter! (your package is fine)04:09
mxpxpodpitti: can you test something out for me on your ppc?04:09
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pittidesrt: I trust him, there is probably another bug somewher04:10
pittimxpxpod: sure, what?04:10
desrt:)04:10
mxpxpodpitti: wait, first is your ppc updated to the latest breezy?04:11
pittimxpxpod: nope, it has a preview install04:11
pittimxpxpod: I usually work on my amd64 desktop04:11
mxpxpodpitti: I think that'll do... could you try running beagled --fg --debug from a terminal?04:12
mxpxpodpitti: it keeps dying on me when it gets to the evolution data server plugin04:12
pittimxpxpod: ouch, I have to install a huge pile of packages for that, moment04:14
mxpxpodpitti: sorry :(04:14
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KamionWaterSevenUb: those strings are not translated because there are no up-to-date translations for them to pt04:16
Kamionsee the base-config package04:16
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pittimxpxpod: is that the "beagle" package?04:18
mxpxpodpitti: yup04:18
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TreenaksKeybuk: _fresh_ warty install?04:18
pittiKeybuk: upgrade test?04:18
Keybukpitti: several people who had the /dev/input/mice problem said their boxes were upgraded into breezy, rather than fresh installed; and a few claim it went away on a fresh install04:19
Keybukso I'm trying this to see whether it's caused by a difference between an upgraded box and a fresh one04:19
KamionWaterSevenUb: your e-mail's in my queue of things to look it, which tends to be large after the weekend04:19
Keybuksweet, the box is actually installing security packages from the archive automatically at the same time as the CD install04:20
Keybukthat's kinda cute04:20
desrtuh guys04:21
desrtwhat changed in the kernel update?04:21
pittijbailey: you tried pbbuttonsd  0.7.1, right? and you had a problem with it which I forgot the details about, but was that a regression to 0.6.6?04:21
sivanghey desrt 04:21
desrtmy computer (normally solid as a rock) just took a dive *hard*04:21
SpecI want to set up (for edubuntu) a system in order for all the clients (running edubuntu/ltsp) to view the Teacher's desktop (or a desktop that only the teacher has permission to read/write to), is the best way to do this via vncreflector?04:22
desrt(having just rebooted it yesterday to upgrade to the new kernel package)04:22
jbaileypitti: I don't know that it was a regression.  I hadn't noticed my machine slowing donw in ages, so it probably wasn't.04:22
desrtsivang; 'sup04:22
pittimxpxpod: started04:22
mxpxpodpitti: did it start OK?04:22
mxpxpodor did you get an exception?04:22
pittimxpxpod: I get a DllNOtFoundException: glib-2.004:22
mxpxpodpitti: install libmono-dev04:22
pittimxpxpod: that can hardly be the solution?04:22
mxpxpodpitti: (that makes no sense to me, but I guess that works...)04:22
pittimxpxpod: that rather looks like a missing dependency04:23
mxpxpodpitti: yeah :)04:23
mxpxpodpitti: but that's not the exception I'm talking about04:23
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pittimxpxpod: now I get DllNotFoundException: glibsharpglue04:28
mxpxpodpitti: that's strange04:28
mxpxpodpitti: I keep getting DllNotFoundException: edataserver04:28
pittimxpxpod: in any case it seems that beagle needs much love - good that it is universe...04:29
mxpxpodpitti: yeah..04:29
magnonbeagle is very unstable in breezy atm04:29
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mxpxpodmagnon: obviously :)04:31
DizietI assume there's no good reason not to sync to Debian's foomatic ppd database ?04:32
DizietI've taken a look at the situation and it seems like we just ought to have the more recent version of the data.04:32
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infinityDiziet : Unless you see something specific in the changelogs to to contrary, the general rule with PPDs is "the newer, the better, please hurt my printer, oh please yes".04:39
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mxpxpoddesrt: have you guys figured out the pbbuttonsd startup issue with 100% cpu being used?04:40
\shinfinity: can u have a look on this http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/a/aqsis/1.1.0.20050815-2ubuntu2/aqsis_1.1.0.20050815-2ubuntu2_20050919-1510-amd64-failed.gz04:41
\shinfinity: it says in the end in build-arch : dh_testdir not found...and this is not true ,-)04:41
desrtmxpxpod; yes.04:42
desrtmxpxpod; it's due to an event device being destroyed and pbbuttons spinning on trying to read() it04:42
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desrtmxpxpod; martin just uploaded a new one that should fix it04:42
mxpxpoddesrt: awesome!!04:42
lamont-away\sh: sigh04:43
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lamont-awayprocesses running04:44
pittimxpxpod: there does not seem to be "the" reason, but it works for 2/3 people04:44
mxpxpodpitti: haha04:44
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infinitylamont-away : It used to happen all the time on one (and only one) m68k buildd, but I never bothered to figure out why.04:45
infinitylamont-away : Did you fix up king already and give-back aqsis for \sh?04:45
lamont-awaydealing with it04:45
elmoinfinity/lamont: btw king was taken out by a build over the weekend04:45
WaterSevenUbkamion, which package? I can provide updated translations.04:45
infinityOh, cool.  You rule.  Thanks.04:45
WaterSevenUbkamion, the one of the "post-install" ... debconf?04:45
elmoinfinity/lamont: it'd be nice if you could find out what it was, and why it was being so unfriendly04:45
\shinfinity / lamont-away: thx guys04:45
lamont-awayelmo: sigh. do we know which one?04:45
infinityI'll compare log timestamps with /var/log/messages and see.04:46
infinityThanks for the heads up.04:46
lamont-awayinfinity: I'll leave that task to you, since i'm supposed to be doing other things today04:46
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infinityYeah, I'm supposed to be sleeping, but I just wrote myself a note to look at it in the morning.04:46
KamionWaterSevenUb: 15:16 < Kamion> see the base-config package04:46
KamionWaterSevenUb: that one04:46
desrtpitti; pfah.  just admit it.  you're great and everyone knows it :)04:46
Robinho_Peixotowhy don't have update-manager in rosetta ?04:47
sladenit is better to detect the model of laptop, at package install time;  at start up, or per invocation04:47
ogra_pitti, ping04:47
mxpxpodpitti: if only we could just get rid of pbbuttonsd :)04:48
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pittidesrt: hehe :-) thanks04:48
pittimxpxpod: what's so bad about it? 04:48
desrtpitti; it gives PC users jealousy.04:49
mxpxpodpitti: well, it takes over volume, brightness, keyboard function key mode, mouse trackpad mode, and other things that should be left to GNOME or another userspace program04:49
mxpxpodpitti: basically, it does too much for its own good04:49
desrtmxpxpod; i'm honestly with pbbuttons handling all things things and not gnome04:50
desrt*honestly happy04:50
mxpxpoddesrt: I would be too if they'd allow a way for gnome to hook into it04:50
desrtmxpxpod; the only thing that would be nice is if it had a better configuration interface04:50
mxpxpoddesrt: I agree there04:50
mxpxpoddesrt: I tried HIG-ifying their interface, but I gave up04:51
desrtoh also... s/notap/drag/ in martin's default config file would be nice too :)04:51
pittimxpxpod: you mean, it makes my iBook work like it should? :-)04:51
mxpxpodpitti: :P04:51
pittidesrt: what's wrong with powerprefs? this is a nice setup program04:51
mxpxpodpitti: powerprefs has things hidden deep within it04:51
mxpxpodpitti: it takes a lot of digging to find what you want04:52
WaterSevenUbkamion, the strings "Preparing X" package... " are not in here https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/breezy/+sources/base-config/+pots/base-config/pt/+translate. If they are in debconf, this package is 100% translated. Maybe they aren't simply in the POT.04:52
Dizietinfinity: re ppds> That was what I thought :-).04:53
WaterSevenUbkamion, plus "Installing package"... "Configuring X"04:53
DizietSo should I ask one of the infrastructure people to sync it ?  Just importing the current Debian version would be fine (our only local patch is included).04:53
ogra_pitti, another ping04:54
Robinho_Peixotowhen it goes to happen the string frezer04:55
pittiogra: I'm right here, sorry04:55
ograpitti, http://hwdb.ubuntu.com/buildlogs/?show=http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/x/xscreensaver/4.21-4ubuntu13/xscreensaver_4.21-4ubuntu13_20050919-1239-amd64-failed.gz04:55
ograpitti, pkgstriptranslations is freaking out it seems04:56
ograpitti, it works on all other arches tho...04:56
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pittiogra: hm, that rather looks like a buildd problem04:57
ograinfinity, pinggg04:57
pittiogra: can you please ping infinity?04:57
pittiah, ok04:57
ograinfinity, ^^^04:57
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zygapitti: you are being nagged05:02
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pittizyga: ah, ok :-) what was the issue again? you need all pot files from all packages?05:03
zygapitti: yes, but not only that05:03
zygapitti: if possible it would be really usefull to get all strings from the source05:04
KamionWaterSevenUb: I don't know whether Rosetta is out of date on this. It might be. I'm absolutely certain that base-config is not fully translated into pt.05:04
pittizyga: ok, added to my TODO list05:04
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zygapitti: thank you :)05:05
zygapitti: any news on when will rosetta export really work? (so that breezy will recieve translation upgrades) ?05:05
KamionWaterSevenUb: alternatively perhaps nobody told me that base-config had translation updates in Rosetta. base-config is one of those packages where I have to import the translations manually; language packs don't work for it.05:05
pittizyga: I tested a new tarball at Friday; it was better, but still not usable05:06
DizietCan anyone answer my question about synching a package from Debian to Ubuntu ?  I'm sure this is routine but I can't find the documentation ...05:07
MithrandirDiziet: what is your question, then?05:08
ograDiziet, you ping or mail elmo about it05:08
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Dizietogra: Right.05:08
ograDiziet, let me give you an example :)05:08
ograelmo, ping05:08
KamionDiziet: the canonical procedure is "if elmo's around on IRC, ask him there; otherwise send him e-mail"05:08
Kamionno don't ping with no content05:08
infinitypitti, ogra : lamont's already fixed that (king was running two buildd instances, YAY!)05:08
Kamionthat's just annoying and incurs round-trip times05:08
MithrandirDiziet: ask for syncing of $package with $version and whether it's ok to override ubuntu changes (those have to be verified first)05:09
ograelmo, (now Kamion fixed) please sync openafs from debian unstable05:09
Kamionoh, for pity's sake, I can't do Rosetta exports by a simple URL any more?05:10
Kamionthat used to work05:10
elmoogra: nothing to sync05:10
ograhuh ? 05:10
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elmo   openafs |   1.4rc1-1 | breezy/universe | source05:10
siretartiirc this is about openafs-docs05:10
siretartwhich should be in sync with openafs, but seperate source package05:10
ograsiretart, nope, its about openafs... 05:10
siretartok05:11
elmo[maybe I should write a wiki page about this...] 05:11
elmo[including documenting some sort of penalty system.. :P] 05:11
ograi get nagged about that since some time, but had no time to test before the weekend...05:11
DizietSo, elmo, can you please sync foomatic-filters-ppds and foomatic-db ?05:12
sivangelmo: did you get my email about additional files Emiko uploaded?05:12
sivangelmo: they are needed in order to complete the certification..05:12
DizietMaybe I should make an email.05:12
ogragah, crimsun already snyced it...05:12
elmosivang: yes, breezy ate my mail tho - once I've recovered from that, I'll sort your stuff out05:12
sivangelmo: gazillion thanks, I know how busy you might be these days.05:13
elmo[Updating]  foomatic-db (20050705-1 [Ubuntu]  < 20050720-1 [Debian] )05:13
elmo[NOT Updating - Modified]  foomatic-filters-ppds_20050720-1ubuntu1 (vs 20050913-1)05:13
DizietTrash that update in filters-ppds.05:13
DizietIt's included in the Debian version.05:13
elmoiwj: those both need UVF exception approval from kdz or mamion first, and I need to know if it's ok to override the ubuntu changes05:13
elmoerr, mdz or kamion.  that was special05:13
KamionWaterSevenUb: it's https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/breezy/+sources/base-config/+pots/pkgconf-base-config/pt/+translate anyway - +pots/base-config is the program translations, but we need the debconf translations05:14
ograelmo, lol05:14
ogranice one05:14
DizietUm, UVF> Yes, but it's just printer data.  I think it's clear that it ought to be taken.05:14
WaterSevenUbkamion, ok... I'll translate it and then you can import from rosetta.05:14
elmoDiziet: sure - but I'm still not mdz or kamion, I don't get to make exceptions, even obvious ones05:15
DizietRight.05:15
Kamionelmo: yes, that's fine05:15
DizietI'm hoping Kamion is watching.05:15
DizietAh :-).05:15
Kamionas infinity/diziet say, printer data's pretty much "take the newest" I think05:15
DizietThose two are the packages with data in; the other foomatic packages seem to have actual version numbers and appear to contain code.05:17
DizietAnyway, thanks.05:17
sivangDiziet: what printer data are you chaning?05:17
sivangs/chaning/changing/05:17
DizietThe proximate cause is 7384, about LJ 6MP printable area.  But it seems silly to chase that kind of thing piecemeal.05:18
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elmoDiziet: done05:18
Dizietelmo: Ta.05:18
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elmoogra: why have you split out a 3rd package for xscreensaver?05:18
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ograelmo, because i need xscreensaver-text and xscreensaver-getimage-* its used by some hacks... i dont think its appropriate to put it in the -data package05:19
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elmoogra: why not?05:20
Kamionas mdz said, the -data name hardly seemed appropriate in the first place05:20
elmoyeah, I agree with  that too05:20
Kamionxscreensaver-hacks?05:20
Kamion*shrug*05:20
ograthe -data name is the right name05:20
elmoogra: err, why?05:21
ograeven if its binary data, its not installed in PATH and gets only executed by a screensaver daemon program05:21
infinityHacks are applications/programs, not data.05:21
ograso omho -data is the right name05:21
elmoogra: your definition of data is boken05:21
elmobroken too05:21
infinity-hacks would have made more sense to me.05:21
ogradata isnt allowed to be binary ? 05:21
Kamiondata implies non-execution to me05:22
bddebianelmo: Are you who I need to ask to revert my wesnoth fuckup?05:22
elmobddebian: I can't revert uploads05:22
Kamionbddebian: you can't run version numbers backwards, ever05:22
bddebianIsn't that what mdz meant?05:22
Kamionif possible, fix ttf-dejavu05:22
infinity-data is general arch-independent (though could be dependant, if it;s something like a BDB database, argh) junk that gets read by executables.05:22
bddebianKamion: It requires an updated fontforge05:22
Kamionor tweak wesnoth not to need it05:22
infinitybddebian : I gave you options.05:22
craftongreat argument infinity 05:23
infinitybddebian : The most sever of which is reuploading the old wenoth under a new version like the ugly mozilla-firefox version in warty.05:23
infinitys/sever/severe/05:23
dilingerKamion: --- Private messages from unregistered users are currently blocked due to spam problems, but you can always message a staffer. Please register! ( http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#privmsg )05:24
ogra*sigh* ok, how do i change the package name without breaking everything now ? elmo is conflicts+replaces appropriate here ? 05:24
dilingerer05:24
dilingers/Kamion/Keybuk/, rather05:24
infinitybddebian : Less severe being to try to get a UVF exception for fontforge, after proving it's not going to hurt ANYTHING (has this been shot down), or fix the thing that wants a new fontforge to no longer need it.05:24
bddebianinfinity: Yes, it breaks ttf-freefont I think05:24
Kamionogra: conflicts/replaces would be normal, yes, possibly provides as well05:25
ograok05:25
ografixing it...05:25
infinityProvides is overkill for a package that's existed for all of a few days.05:25
infinityNo one will be trying to install is manually anyway.05:25
infinitys/is/it/05:25
Kamionyeah, that's probably true05:25
elmoogra: please consider merging the third package intot his new package too05:26
elmoI'm not going/can't veto it, but I'd sure as heck reject this 3rd package from Debian without best justification for it's existence05:26
infinityIn fact, the conflicts/replaces could probably go away again after a couple of weeks, if you're just trying to ease the pain of people wh otrack breezy daily.05:26
infinityBut don't bother with that. :)05:27
elmos/best/better/ - jesus05:27
ograelmo, ok05:27
KamionI'd prefer the utils package to be merged into -hacks too, yes05:27
Keybukdilinger: /msg nickserv register ...05:27
Keybuk:)05:27
ograKamion, elmo who am i to argue with you two ;) fixing ...05:27
Keybukdilinger or see the #12788 bug I just punted at you -- is there any way for ndiswrapper to build module alias table strings for the devices it can support?05:28
Kamionogra: thanks05:28
dilingerKeybuk: /server irc.oftc.net :P05:28
ograKamion, elmo but note it will be very weird once we have spliut the hacks into 4 packages as sabdfl wants it05:28
dilingerKeybuk: anyways, yea, i saw the bug.  responding now..05:28
elmo... what?05:28
Kamionoh, I'd forgotten about that madness, gar05:29
ograhe wants to have separate packjages for shipped/non shippes screensavers, that will split -gl-extras and -hacks-extras05:29
ograso we'll have 4 (probably 6 if i have to split rss-glx too) packages with hacks05:30
elmoumm, why?05:30
ograanyway, mdz made that a dapper goal, so i have tim to think about it 05:31
ogratime even05:31
ograelmo, to only ship the selected screensavers and demote the rest to universe05:31
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infinity-hacks, -hacks-gl, -hacks-extra, -hacks-gl-extra?05:32
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ograyup, something like that... except i merge gl/non-gl extras05:32
WaterSevenUbkamion, you can import https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/breezy/+sources/base-config/+pots/pkgconf-base-config/pt/+translate if you want. Though, it doesn't have "Configuring..." ... "Preparing..." strings I think.05:32
Keybukmjg59: does my comment on #8575 seem reasonable?05:33
WaterSevenUbkamion, maybe I just didn't notice those strings. Nevermind. IMport the pt.po if you can:)05:33
KamionWaterSevenUb: yeah, I'm just downloading that to have a look05:34
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ograMithrandir, any chances we'll se a fixed NX in universe for breezy ? i get a lot of requests from edubuntu people05:38
spaceywhats the purpose of /dev/shm / tmpfs thingy?05:40
spaceythat is substracted from your normal memory, no?05:40
spaceyits really huge and unused05:40
siretartspacey: unused parts of that can be paged out to swapspace05:41
siretartno need to worry, imo05:41
spaceysiretart, things is that i'm missing 1GB of memory05:41
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spaceyso i wondered if that was the place it went05:42
spaceyits some sort of ramdisk i assume?05:42
spaceysiretart, can you tell what /dev/shm is used for?05:44
siretartspacey: yes, tmpfs is comparable to a ramdisk05:44
siretartspacey: no, but I find it quite handy from time to time05:45
spaceysiretart, so its reasonable to think that GB of lost memory is allocated to /dev/shm? since it has a size of 1.5GB05:45
bddebianmdz: ping?05:45
KamionWaterSevenUb: ok, grabbed, will upload shortly05:45
siretartspacey: why 1.5gb? over here, thats only 252mb05:46
spaceysiretart, i have no clue, but it is tmpfs                 1,5G     0  1,5G   0% /dev/shm05:46
bddebianIs mozilla just broken?  I get all kinds of dep errors for it.05:47
siretartspacey: strange05:47
spaceysiretart, you know where that size is configured?05:47
spaceynot sure if its ubuntu or edubuntu thing, on the server edubuntu preview release was installed05:47
ograKamion, elmo, hmm, if i add the utils to -hacks, every package containing hacks has to depend on the -hacks package in the future, so you wont be able to only install GL based screensavers for example... i still think a -utils package would make more sense05:47
siretartspacey: look in /etc/default/tmpfs05:48
ograthis way it brings odd dependencys to xscreensaver...05:48
spacey"by default kernel sets this upper limit to half of available memory." 05:49
Kamionspacey: as siretart says, unless that's actually being used it's irrelevant to your actual physical memory use05:49
spaceyexplains a bit i guess, since there is 4GB in the machine05:49
spaceyKamion, will it get auto resized if more memory is used?05:49
Kamionit's not relevant. it's a red herring. don't worry about it05:50
Kamionyou might need to turn on PAE to get the kernel to map the top gigabyte?05:55
Kamionnot absolutely sure there05:55
elmono, you only need PAE for > 4GB05:55
spaceyyeah that limit is 4GB05:57
spaceyalready checked the kernel config file05:57
WaterSevenUbkamion, thx.05:57
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Mithrandirogra: I've not worked on it since it got deferred..06:00
ograMithrandir, ok06:00
Mithrandirmdz: if it's ok with you, I can devote some time to getting NX in reasonable shape.  It will take some days, but I think it may be worth it; see ogra's request for it above.06:01
spaceyaaah i still only have 3GB of mem :S thats wierd. and for sure its not /dev/shm now, because its 256M.06:02
spaceyi'm sure the bios said 4GB06:02
jordisivang: can't find the url. Can you ask mdke?06:03
jordigotta go06:03
ograMithrandir, its not release critical, i just get requests about it and wanted to know if you work on it for universe even if it was deferred... there is no rush06:03
Mithrandirogra: I'm leaving for dinner at my father's place in a short while, but if you can talk with mdz about getting me to work on NX, I'm absolutely open towards it, but I'd like him to say "sure, go ahead"06:04
dokoKamion: openoffice.org1-debian-files should stick in NEW, would be nice, if you could process this?06:04
Mithrandirogra: given that I have a bunch of bugs and there's still > 200 RC bugs left.06:04
ograMithrandir, he wont, the release is more important :)06:04
ograMithrandir, and i wont, its not that serious, i can point people to vnc06:05
ograwas just a request for information ;)06:05
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Mithrandirogra: ook06:05
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Kamiondoko: elmo's around, no reason to ask me06:10
dokoKamion: sorry06:10
dokoelmo: openoffice.org1-debian-files should stick in NEW, would be nice, if you could process this?06:10
Keybukcan you correct Bugzilla quips? ... this Tolkien quotation is wrong06:11
Kamioncan we just *delete* most of those stupid Bugzilla quips?06:12
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Keybukhmmm06:17
Keybuknow this is interesting06:17
KeybukAug 31 20:41:01 localhost udevd[2372] : udevd.c: seq 0 forked, pid 18491, 4357606:17
Keybukseconds old06:17
KeybukAug 31 20:41:01 localhost udev[18491] : udev.c: action, subsystem or devpath missing06:17
KeybukAug 31 20:41:01 localhost udevd[2372] : udevd.c: seq 0 exit, 43576 seconds old06:17
Keybuk... Mr Kernel is not giving /proc/sys/kernel/hotplug all the variables it's supposed to06:18
KeybukBENC!06:18
hungerKeybuk: I told fabbione that it is a kernel bug!06:20
Keybukdid he agree, or not?06:20
hungerKeybuk: He did not.06:20
hungerKeybuk: I never had the issue with a 2.6.13 kernel...06:21
Keybukthis may be part of the general "input subsystem is snorting 2-year-old crack" problem06:21
Keybuk(ie. hasn't been updated to the new world order yet)06:21
Keybukfabbione ?06:21
Keybukthe kernel should _at_least_ be supplying ACTION=add though06:22
Keybukotherwise it's kinda going to userspace "yeah, some device thing just happened, dunno what or who though, sorry, will pay more attention next time"06:23
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ograsilbs, !06:30
ograsilbs wb :)06:30
silbsogra: I'm not really here till tomorrow. This is just a mirage06:30
ograheh06:30
bob2a psuedo-silbs06:30
ograsilbs, a relaxed one i hope ;)06:31
bob2also, someone did something to my laptop and now it beeps at random intervals06:31
elmogrr, why _did_ we switch to gnome-screensaver anyways?06:34
ograelmo, what dont you like about it ? 06:34
ograits much better integrated06:34
elmowell for starters my aliases and keyboard mappings that talk about 'xscreensaver-foo' are broken06:35
ograhmm, the lock shortcut from metacity works fine here...06:36
elmoand 'gnome-screensaver-command -activate' doesn't appear to actually, err, work06:36
elmoogra: custom keyboard mappings06:36
ograelmo, its like xscreensaver, use gnome-screensaver-command --activate :)06:37
DizietI'm starting to wonder if I should feed the firefox source to glimpse.06:37
elmoogra: err, no06:38
elmoxscreensaver-command takes '-activate'06:38
elmoif g-s-c takes --activate, fine, but it shouldn't silently do nothing on '-activate'06:38
ograelmo, did you just upgrade right now ? you need to logout and in again to add gnome-screensaver to your session (or start it manually)06:39
ograoh06:39
ograits a -- vs - thing06:39
elmoand g-screensaver just seems SLOW06:39
ograit is06:39
ograit uses xembed for the lock window, thats a bit solwer than direct x programming06:40
ograslower even06:40
elmoalso there's no way to disable it?06:41
ograin gconf06:41
ograerr, and in the settings panel indeed06:41
Keybukdilinger: #12788, another reply for you <g>06:42
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Treenaksare there known problems with sound on via VT8233/A/8235/823706:50
Treenaksmusic is playing (according to ogg123), channels are not muted.. no sound can be heard06:51
ograTreenaks, switch on your speakers ? 06:52
Treenaksogra: ha. ha.06:52
Treenaksogra: they work fine :)06:52
ogra:)06:53
Treenaksogra: (i.e. if I stick the plug in my mp3 player, music _does_ come out)06:53
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dilingerKeybuk: tag, yerit!06:57
Keybukdilinger: sounds perfect, if -m would write the modprobe.d files properly, hotplug would just work06:59
Keybukshould I tickle upstream, or are you willing to do it yourself?06:59
dilingerKeybuk: i dunno about tickling them, that sounds kind of scary07:01
Keybuk"asking" :)07:01
dilingerKeybuk: i'd suggest you do it, since i don't really do much w/ hotplug/udev atm07:02
Keybukok07:02
Keybukgot a url for their bts?07:02
Keybukor address for a mailing list?07:02
dilingerthey use sf07:02
dilingerndiswrapper.sf.net07:02
ograKeybuk, dilinger you are working on our ndiswrapper ? 07:02
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Keybukogra: mdz assigned me the "make ndiswrapper hotplugishnessable" bug07:03
dilingerogra: not specifically ubuntu's.. ndiswrapper is in universe, right?  at least, ndiswrapper-utils (i know fabbione was including the module in the stock kernel)07:04
jbaileyKamion: dilinger just asked me to pick a less sucky directory than /etc/mkinitramfs.  He's suggesting /etc/initramfs-tools, which would make sense.07:04
ograKeybuk, dilinger, if you fiddle with it anyway could you add adm64 to the control file, so i dont need to compile it myself all the time ? 07:04
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jbaileyKamion: I generally think that it's too late in the cycle to change that, but I'm not entirely sure.  Does the installer poke its head in there at all?07:04
dilingerogra: you mean for breezy?  i believe that's already set in sid07:05
ogradilinger, the ndiswrapper module is in our default kernel07:05
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DizietGah !  The bookmarks.html that it seems to be using for new profiles claims to be an autogenerated file.  But it contains URL domain names in it that appear nowhere else in the entire firefox source tree.07:05
bddebianOh sure and I can't get a newer fontforge?? ;-P07:05
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ogradilinger, i doubt we just grab the sid settings since the module is in the kernel package07:05
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Treenaksogra: it was a hardware thing I think...07:07
ograTreenaks, ??07:07
Treenaksogra: it's now outputting on line-in instead of line-out07:07
Treenaksogra: even on the old kernel#07:07
ograah07:07
ograyou talk about the sound issue :)07:07
Treenaksbut that's new afaik07:07
Treenaksheadphone and master controls are mixed up as well07:08
mdzdilinger: ndiswrapper-utils is in ubuntu main and always has been (since Warty)07:08
mdzMithrandir: NX -> not for breezy07:09
Kamionjbailey: yes, base-installer does07:09
Kamionjbailey: it's easy to change and avoid breakage if you give me a bit of warning07:10
dilingermdz: ok07:10
Kamionjbailey: you'd have to be sure to migrate the old config file from /etc/mkinitramfs/07:10
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Keybukmdz: morning07:10
ogramdz, any opinion on the xscreensaver splitting story ? (i need some utils and wouldnt like to put them in the -hacks (future name of -data) package) 07:11
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Keybukpython*-musicbrainz can't be upgraded (hoary->breezy)07:11
Keybukknown?07:11
jbaileyKamion: 'k, thanks.07:11
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mdzogra: story?07:13
ogramdz, some of the hacks need the xscreensaver text and image loaders, so i packaged them into a -utils package, Kamion and elmo oppsed that and asked me to put all hacks and utils into a -hacks package07:14
ogramdz, but then we would have to have *any* hacks depending on that package in the future, that disables users to only install GL screensavers for example07:15
mdzogra: just put them in the existing -data package07:15
ogramdz, so i'd like to keep the -utils package and rename -data to -hacks...07:15
ograok07:16
mdznow is not a good time for more package churn07:16
ogramdz, so i also keep the name for now, if i understand you right ? 07:16
mdzogra: yes07:16
ograok :)07:16
mdzI thought we discussed it already07:16
ogramdz, it came up due to my splitting out of the -utils package and elmo opposing to NEWing it 07:17
mdzpackage splits/merges/etc. should be minimized this late in the release07:17
ograok07:17
mdzbddebian: argh, so doko's rrdtool update is also broken due to the same fontforge dependency chain07:18
DizietI reckon they should be minimised completely.  It's usually better to have a misnamed packages than to constantly be moving stuff around.07:18
DizietOr would we suggest renaming /usr now ? :-)07:19
elmoerr07:19
bddebianmdz: Mwuhahah, it's a conspiracy ;-)07:19
elmothat's a ridiculous comparison07:19
dokomdz: please see my email07:19
bddebianmdz: Sorry, that probably isn't funny.07:19
mdzdoko: yes, I just did07:19
DizietBut perhaps this is rather a philosophical argument to be having at this point in the release.07:19
mjg59elmo: Did you get a chance to check whether sleep had started working on your machine?07:19
mdzdoko: it looks like ttf-freefont is the only package in main which uses it07:19
elmomjg59: no, sorry - my powerbook is at home; I'll look tonight07:20
mdzdoko: but it needs to be tested07:20
mjg59elmo: Thanks07:20
mjg59elmo: Has cwd left?07:20
elmocvd?  no07:20
dokomdz: looking at it07:20
mjg59Uh, yes. Her.07:21
Kamionphew, getting #15513 out of the way is nice07:21
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bddebianmdz: Anything I can do to help?07:21
mdzdoko,bddebian: if it doesn't break ttf-freefont, updating fontforge is a possibility07:21
Kamionmdz: I'm thinking Colony 5 later this week, FYI07:21
mdzbddebian: you could see what in universe uses fontforge and test it with the new version as well07:21
Kamionhopefully Thursday07:21
elmooh, is this why cricket is uninstallable?07:21
mdzKamion: sounds good07:21
mdzelmo: yes07:21
elmoI'll not file a bug then ;)07:22
bddebianmdz: I've already hit all the rdepends for fontforge and they all are fine afaict07:22
mdzwe are going to need to be more rigorous about checking dependencies before syncs07:22
elmodoko: do you know about lm-sensors FTBFS?07:22
bddebianmdz: Wesnoth was totally my fault, I will take complete blame for that one07:22
dokoelmo: yes, needs librrd2 -> ttf-dejavu07:23
mdzbddebian: by "rdepends" do you mean "apt-cache rdepends" or "all reverse build-depends, build-depends-indep and depends"?07:23
elmodoko: oh, for that too?  meh07:23
bddebianmdz: Oh, I just hit apt-cache rdepends07:23
elmowah, out-of-date's exploded again07:23
bddebianHow can I get at reverse build-deps, etc?07:24
mdzbddebian: grep-dctrl07:24
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bddebianHmm, apparenlty I don't know how to use grep-dctrl :-(07:25
Kamionit has a good man page07:26
Kamionand you can use /var/lib/apt/lists/*_Sources as input07:26
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bddebianUghh, wine07:27
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bddebianHeya mbreit07:30
bddebianOK, doko can test wine ;-P07:30
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jdubogra: so, can we dump gnome-screensaver from breezy yet? reiterating: it's seriously not ready, and was added *way* too late. :-)07:35
jdubit will definitely be on the agenda (a much bigger one) for dapper and gnome 2.14.07:35
ograjdub, *sigh* i even get PM asking why we changed it07:35
jduball reasons for changing it are good, it's just too early07:36
ograjdub, err, you arent serious, are you ? 07:36
jdubi'm completely serious.07:36
jdubwould far prefer to stick with xscreensaver for breezy, and work on gnome-screensaver for dapper.07:36
ograjdub, so convince sabdfl i've put the last 3 days into integrating it07:36
jdubok07:36
ograi think its ok now, the only thing it really lacks is the option to change the settings for single screensavers07:37
jdubbtw, have you received "lock dialogue keeps crashing" bug yet?07:37
ogranope07:37
jdubpipka was going to file it, dunno if she did07:37
ogranot one about the lock dialog07:37
jdubshe couldn't unlock her session without killing the daemon07:38
ograand i just shrunk my screensaver buglist from 40 to 14 today07:38
mdzjdub: can you give me some concrete data to support the case for swapping it back?07:38
ograjdub, are you sure pia just didnt run both screensaver daemons ? they clash badly ... it was solved with todays upload...07:40
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jdubmdz: could start with... days since feature/preview freeze that it was added? age of codebase? extreme lack of testing both within ubuntu and without? ;-)07:40
jdubogra: no, she was using my laptop07:40
ograok07:40
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mdzjdub: is it a new codebase? I thought it was based on xscreensaver07:41
jdubnup07:41
Kamion"Ubuntu" in Macedonian == ""07:41
Kamioncool07:42
\shmdz: which kernel version is used for breezy install iso boot kernel?07:42
ogra2.6.1207:42
Kamion\sh: same as the regular system07:42
mdz\sh: the same one used everywhere else in breezy; it only has one ;-)07:42
\shmdz: aehm..benc wrote in one of the bugzilla reports regarding marvel yukon2 drivers...that in rev 13 the sky2 driver is enabled..but not on the boot kernel for the latest daily i386 iso ;)07:43
ograjdub, i would say whats there runs stable but i agree that its lacking features07:43
jdubogra: i don't think we can say 'stable' with any serious credibility07:44
mdz\sh: it's possible it's a rev behind, depending on when the builds happened07:45
jdubmdz: it's certainly copied some code from xscreensaver, but it's by no means a fork or anything07:46
Kamion\sh: it's also possible the kernel team forgot to put it in any udeb07:46
mdzjbailey: this mean anything to you?07:47
mdzjbailey: > > /init: 64: Syntax error: 0x07:47
\shmdz / Kamion : ok..so I have to tweak the initrd ;)07:47
\shthx...cu later...trying to install the portege again :(07:47
ograjdub, i ran it for some weeks on all machines here and had neither crashes nor any other probs and i think seb128 tested it too... indeed it didnt recieve a big field test07:47
mdzjdub: it's going to be a hard sell sabdfl-wise to change it back07:47
jdubogra: dude, it's not even highly distributed among developers, let alone by another distributor07:47
Kamion\sh_away: if my guess is correct, I'd prefer it if you could inform the kernel team that that driver needs to be added to some udeb07:47
mdzjdub: we'll need to uncover actual bugs07:48
jdubmdz: yeha07:48
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jdubmdz: did it go through security review?07:48
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elmowell I can't prove it (yet) but I'm pretty sure it's taking down my machine at home07:48
mdzjdub: no, by virtue of the fact that I thought it used xscreensaver's basic stuff07:48
Keybukisn't the bulk of "screensaver" the programs being run by it, and those are from xscreensaver anyway, no?07:48
mdzKeybuk: well, there's that, plus some incidental bits which do things like carry your password around ;-)07:49
elmoand there's that -activate thing too07:49
ograKeybuk, yup07:49
mdzelmo: -activate thing?07:49
jdubKeybuk: those aren't the interesting bits07:49
Keybukhmm, the screensaver preferences I have here claim to be XScreensver07:49
elmomdz: gnome-screensaver-command -activate does nothing07:49
elmoit wants --activate instead07:49
ogramdz, gnome-screensaver requires two dashes, xscreensaver only one for options07:49
elmowhich is fine, but it could be more useful than "do nothing"07:49
elmowhen passed the "wrong" thing07:49
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Keybukelmo: System -> Preferences -> Keyboard Shortcuts -> Lock Screen07:49
Keybukand don't nih next time <g>07:49
elmoKeybuk: don't be silly07:50
Keybukunless I'm missing something silly?07:50
elmoI know there are alternatives, but changing command names at this point in the release is total and utter crack07:50
elmocompound that with changing the option parsing...07:50
dilingerKeybuk: nice!07:50
jduband you have crack brownies07:50
jdubirresistable, delicious, and bad for babies07:51
elmoKeybuk: the fact that there's a way to make it work, doesn't mean the way I've been using since before I even used Debian should suddenly stop working07:51
mdzjdub: the buttons are totally reasonable; that was what attracted sabdfl07:51
ograand the userlist ...07:52
mdzmuch better than what we have in xscreensaver presently07:52
jdubmdz: the swappy switch/unlock stuff is nuts though07:52
jdubi totally agree that gss is the right thing 'going forward'07:52
jdubbut not now07:52
Keybukelmo: it doesn't pretend to be xscreensaver, does it?07:52
mjg59Nnngh.07:52
mjg59I don't give a shit which screensaver we ship, but could you please MAKE YOUR MINDS UP07:52
ograjdub, mpt works on a redesign since friday afaik... sabdfl ordered that07:52
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mdzmjg59: dude, calm down, we switched from one to another07:53
ogramjg59+++++++++++++07:53
ograand plus07:53
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mjg59mdz: Sure, which is a bit of a pain in terms of updating packages that interact with the system screensaver07:53
mdzmjg59: yes, there are getting to be rather more of those...07:54
mjg59But if there's a last minute change back from gss to xscreensaver, I'm going to kill people07:54
jdub"lock screen when active" -> grr.07:54
ogramdz, for me it were 4 switches in complete and two attepmts to rewrite the lock screen it goes back and forth since we started that cycle... and in the end a hasty implementation ...07:54
Keybukit'd be so unlike jdub to suggest we remove some package right before release that he suggested in the first place07:54
ograwhich made us switch to gnome-scr.07:55
jdubKeybuk: i did not suggest switching to gss in breezy.07:55
ograjdub, you did at guadec when i asked you07:55
mdzblame whoever showed gss to mark07:55
mjg59Can we please agree never to show anything to Mark after preview?07:55
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mjg59It just leads to crack07:56
jdubogra: "yes, we should switch to gss *now* or for breezy+1" most likely.07:56
ograjdub, yup07:56
jdubnot after *feature freeze and preview release*07:56
jdubyou have much better things to fix :)07:56
ograjdub, so i dropped my laock patch... and heard from seb it wouldnt be ready a week after UVF07:56
ogra*lock07:57
ograand started working on it again... 07:57
ograi dont mind either one... but as you said, i have some edu distro to fix so i dont want to waste my time for something we dont ship07:58
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Keybukisn't Mark on holiday?07:58
ograsabdfls word on friday seemed quite final...07:58
jdubgiven mjg59's POV, it's unlikely that even common sense would convince mark otherwise now07:58
mdzKeybuk: yes07:59
ograas i said, i dont mind either one, but mpt should be notified what he should beautify now, i'll implement whatever he sends me for whatever package we want08:00
jdubogra: i don't think there's much life in this discussion.08:00
jdubso don't worry about it08:00
ograjdub, ok08:00
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mdzit's going to stay unless it can be shown to be a fuckup08:01
Keybuk(was just wondering the timescale for someone to show Mark gss for him to get hooked on it)08:01
elmocan we at least retroactively security check it?08:01
mdzelmo: yes, we should.08:01
seb128dunno if that matter but Suse did a security audit and said it's fine08:02
Keybukare SuSE shipping this too?08:02
jdubthey might be for 1008:03
Keybukisn't that coming out at the same time as us?08:03
seb128I guess they are08:03
jdubthey're putting a lot of crazy shit in 1008:03
elmousr/bin/oo, ick                                             universe/devel/clc-intercal08:03
elmoclassy filename08:03
Keybukso it's not really any worse than anything else gnomey we shove in before release ... when it breaks, it breaks for other distros too and looks like a gnome bug08:03
seb128yep08:04
elmoexcept a broken screensaver is a good way to make any remotely security concious user run screaming in the opposite direction and never come back08:04
Keybukrun where though, if the same thing breaks on other distros too?08:05
mjg59Keybuk: MacOS X08:05
maswanKeybuk: debian stable?08:05
mjg59Windows08:05
mjg59Christ knows08:05
elmoKeybuk: what other distros will be shipping this thing on the same timescale as us?08:05
mjg59Remember when MacOS had a buffer overflow in the screensaver?08:05
Keybukelmo: SuSE 10, apparently08:05
elmoSuse 10 are coming out in October?08:05
elmos/are/is/08:05
mjg59"Hey, we're no worse than Suse" is not really a good argument...08:06
Keybukmjg59: no...08:06
mjg59It would be nice if someone could read the code and stress it08:06
Keybuksure, I'm not arguing against reading the code ;)08:06
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mdzelmo: suse is now mimicking our release schedule08:12
elmobwahahahaha08:12
jdubnight all08:12
bddebianheh08:12
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bddebianHeya ivoks08:14
ivokshi08:14
mdzelmo: there are very few things you need to get right to have a secure screen locker; they tend to fail safe leaving your screen even more secure by making it impossible to ever unlock08:16
mjg59mdz: Providing that the daemon doesn't fall over08:16
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mdzmjg59: you mean, preventing the screen from locking after the timeout?08:17
mjg59mdz: Yeah08:18
mdznobody seriously relies on the timeout to lock the screen, do they?08:18
mdzogra: why did you remove the xscreensaver conflict that I asked you to add?08:19
sivangmjg59: your package is up already? I can now do through testing on the laptop08:19
ogramdz, you asked me to add a Replaces08:19
mdzogra: no, between gnome-screensaver and xscreensaver08:19
mjg59sivang: No08:19
mjg59sivang: Give me a moment08:19
mdzogra: oh, you were talking about a different one in your changelog08:20
ogramdz, i added that today ?08:20
sivangmjg59: no pro, I will hang here, justping me when we're up with it08:20
ogramdz, ah, yes and youre looking at xscreensaver ;)08:20
mdzogra: reading breezy-changes, it looks like this:08:20
mdz   * add a Conflicts: xscreensaver to avoid clashes and doubled08:20
mdz     menu entrys08:20
mdz   * remove the Conflicts again (not necessary)08:20
mdz;-)08:20
mdzogra: thanks08:21
ograheh... i'll make them more readable in the future :)08:21
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dokomdz: the ttf-freefont's generated by the new fontforge look ok, I cannot see visual differences08:24
mdzKeybuk: are you sure about this pcmcia-cs change?08:25
mdzKeybuk: things were as they were because probing hangs some desktops08:25
mdznotably some very common Dells08:25
Keybukit only probes when it's a laptop08:26
ograit would also be nice if pcmcia could ask again before it shuts down the network on upgrades, thats very annoying...08:26
bddebiandoko: all the apt-cache rdepends work OK too.  I'm working on some of the build-deps now08:26
ograespecially if you just run update-manager in the background during a IRC meeting :)08:27
dokobddebian: what do you work on?08:28
Keybukbtw, GNAHSR, packages which rewrite debian/control SHOULD BE FUCKING ILLEGAL08:28
bddebiandoko: I need a newer fontforge for ttf-defavu for my wesnoth fuckup ;-)08:29
dokobddebian: but you did see to main inclusion reports?08:29
bddebiandoko: ??08:30
Keybukmdz: have_pcmcia=0 on desktops without hotplugged pcmcia cards (desktop ISA owners will have to go the /etc/modules route)08:30
dokobddebian: what are you trying to do?08:30
Keybukbut on laptops we try anyway, as there's a high probabilty it does have an old ISA socket08:31
Keybukmjg59 claims it won't hang them08:31
bddebiandoko: I need ttf-dejavu which needs an updated fontforge.  I already tested all the repends on fontforge in Universe.08:31
mjg59Autoprobe i82365 on laptops. Don't do it on desktops.08:31
mjg59Only attempt it if there isn't a cardbus bridge08:31
jbaileymdz: That means that stat could find the major/minor of the swap device...  I've seen that where the device didn't exist yet for some reason. 08:31
jbaileymdz: Are you using the current initramfs-tools in the archive, or the snapshot I had put up on p.u.c?08:32
jbaileyThe one in the archive should have a check to not try the resume if the swap partition doesn't exist.08:32
dokobddebian: ahh, ok. I don't care that much about universe at the moment, just did it for main08:34
jduboh man08:35
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jdubi comment on a story on drupal.org08:35
jduband guess who turns up?08:35
jdubHostingGeek08:35
jdub*insane*08:35
ogralol08:35
bddebiandoko: I know and I love you for this btw ;-)08:36
ograhe wasnt in -motu for ages08:36
smurfixjdub: ouch. Is he as bad there?08:36
bddebianhaha, hostinggeek08:36
ograi think tseng had a lot of fun with him in -motu ;)08:37
jdubhe just said "hi jdub!!!!!!!!!!"08:37
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ograyes, tseng taught him a lot :)08:39
bddebianHey, tseng doesn't teach me anything :-)08:39
ogradesrt, you rock !08:40
mdzjbailey: that was from a report on -devel08:40
ogra(14967)08:40
mdzjbailey: and it caused the boot to fail08:40
mdzjbailey: if it's as you describe, it's probably broken all thin clients08:40
jbaileymdz: Ugh, thanks.08:41
ograjbailey, mdz, i'm just doing my daily burn and installation of edubuntu, wait 2h and you got a guineapig08:41
jbaileymdz: The patch causing this is that USB and Ethernet don't like to be loaded before a resume, so the process has to be split up.08:42
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Keybukbiab; gonna try and duplicate this on laptop now08:45
\shBenC: ping08:46
\shBenC: I would say remove the sky2 driver before it annoyes more people ,-)08:47
\shmdz: on the installed kernel from todays daily iso, 2.6.12-8.14 is installed...but not as boot iso kernel08:47
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Kamion\sh: be patient, it takes a little while to propagate08:48
\shKamion: no it's ok..the driver is useless08:48
\shi will file bugreports now 08:48
mjg59sladen: Around?08:48
Kamionbecause it requires a daily debian-installer build, which has to be BYHANDed into the archive, etc.08:48
ogramdz, err, looking at the initramfs report again, thats the one jbailey solved with me on the phone (a small quoting bug)... he must have a pre preview mkintitrams-tools08:48
Kamionand somewhat unfortunate timing means that the byhand generally happens just after the daily CD image build08:48
ograjbailey, do you agree ? Syntax error: 0x ?08:49
\shKamion: well..problem is, the driver is not usable right now..it will annoy more people then no driver08:49
Kamion\sh: ok08:50
Kamion(not my problem really, I don't do kernel)08:50
Kamion(unless I have to)08:50
jbaileyogra: Well, the three lines I've seen that on are basically: if [ -e ${resume} ] ; then major=$((0x$(stat -c%t ${resume})));  minor=$((0x$(stat -c%T ${resume})))08:51
jbaileyogra: but the whole if -e bit is supposed to protect against stat not giving something useful in that spot.08:51
Kamiondoesn't that need to be $(( 0x(...) ))?08:51
Kamionare you sure busybox parses the )) right?08:51
ograjbailey, thats a ltsp boot, there is no resume involved08:51
\shmjg59: would u agree, that it is a better solution to remove the driver from the kernel? sky2 driver08:51
Kamion(I might be wrong)08:51
mjg59\sh: I'm afraid I don't understand the question08:52
jbaileyKamion: I'll double check it, thanks for the heads up.08:53
\shmjg59: right now the sky2 driver for marvel yukon2 hangs after a few seconds (bug report will be filed in a minute)08:53
\shmjg59: it's quite useless, and i think it annoyes more people to have this driver in the kernel, then no driver in the kernel08:53
ograjbailey, i talk about this one: http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2005-September/011182.html08:53
jbaileyogra: Right.  But in any event, resume not being defined to something useful would take care of that08:53
mjg59\sh: Yes, it will be removed08:53
mjg59I've already sent a patch08:53
ograjbailey, ah, k, sorry for the noise then08:54
jbaileyogra: Don't be.  Any insight as to why it might be failing despite the safeguard is always welcome. =)08:54
ogra:)08:54
bddebianHmm, wine might have a problem with fontforge LD_LIBRARY_PATH="../libs/unicode:$LD_LIBRARY_PATH" ../tools/sfnt2fnt wine_courier. 13 1252 96 128 808:55
bddebianCan't open face08:55
jbaileyHmm.  In hex a leading zero is always insignificant, right?08:55
jbaileyI can work around this bug by placing a leading zero so that at least busybox would see 0x008:55
jbaileyBut I'd rather fix it so that the code isn't run there.08:56
thesaltydogjbailey, not only in hex..08:56
thesaltydogin decimal too08:56
thesaltydog:-)08:56
jbaileythesaltydog: Unless your interpretor assumes that you really mean octal.08:56
thesaltydogyes!08:56
crimsunmdz: would it be possible to apply the patch in bugzilla#14232 from Thomas Hood for alsa-utils?08:57
jbaileyogra: I'd like to take you up on your guinea pig offer to figure out why it's failing there.  The only thing I can think of is that for some reason either [ -e "" ]  is matching true, or that the file that is in resume is a regular file and doesn't have a major,minor08:58
ograjbailey, since he says he runs preview, i certainly cant confirm it... i ran several install since then... its unlikely tht the one currently running here is broken for me... but i'll report08:59
jbaileyogra: Oh, I had missed that he was running preview.09:00
jbaileyogra: I assumed it was from the upload this weekend.  I've been worried over those lines of code.09:00
jbaileyBut they were only added in the Saturday upload.09:00
ograah, ok, i didnt do an install over the weekend, i played with screensavers :)09:01
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jbaileyAh!09:01
jbaileyIs that why my screensavers now all ask for a password? =)09:01
ograheh09:03
ograjbailey, xinerama should be fixed now btw09:03
jbaileyAh, cool.  I saw a couple more xinerama things pop by, so I was thinking of dusting that machine off.09:04
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sivangogra: as you did in Mataro, the images of your playing with the retro version of the screen saver still with me :)09:08
Kamionmdz: please merge colin.watson@canonical.com--2005/casper--translations--0; does what it says on the tin09:09
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dilingerKamion: that's one thing i wouldn't show up late for, i'd be afraid of getting my ass handed to me :)09:11
ograsivang, :)09:11
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sivangdilinger: lol09:15
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vrlnthe freetype2 package in breezy is version-locked already I guess? It has issues with certain E17 themes (the fonts are cut off in themes that use a very small window border) - it's an issue with all freetype versions under 2.1.809:19
crimsunis there a simple fix for it, like a few one-liners, or is it more intrusive?09:23
sladenmjg59: re: 12547.  r.09:23
sladenmjg59: that guy was going to get back about his fan though09:24
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mjg59sladen: I'm rewriting cpufreq-detect.sh. There's various nicer ways of doing the logic09:30
mjg59I'll send you a copy later on09:30
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sivangmjg59: send one to me as well, the hickups are killing my WOTW music :-)09:33
sladenmjg59: ideally, rip the stuff out of x86info, or the kernel detect code.  They use the family/model/stepping bit mask for most of the work and only resort to the ID strings to tell apart idividual processors09:33
sladenmjg59: no clue how to detect the chipset, currently it's hackish, but... working09:34
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sivangmpt: ping09:37
elmodoko: ?09:38
crimsunmdz: please consider merging the patch referenced from http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=324783 for xmms-flac09:38
dokoelmo: here09:39
sladensivang: edit cpufreq-detect and change 'Intel ICH' to 'Intel .*ICH' and then you can get rid of the hickups09:40
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sivangsladen: k, let me try that09:40
mptsivang: pong09:43
elmoRejected: ttf-opensymbol_1.1.4-7ubuntu2_all.deb: old version (1.9.125+2.0beta2-1ubuntu2) in breezy >= new version (1.1.4-7ubuntu2) targeted at breezy.09:43
elmodoko: ^--09:43
elmofrom openoffice.org_1.1.4-7ubuntu2_i386.changes09:44
dokoelmo: ahh, ok. are the other binaries in the archive?09:44
elmoamd64, powerpc?09:44
elmoor what do you mean?09:44
dokono, I think you accept the other binaries built from the source, even if one fails09:45
elmoerr, heck no09:45
elmoan upload is an upload (or: everything associated with a .changes); if  one part fails, the whole thing fails09:46
bddebiandoko: How's fontforge coming? :-)09:47
dokobddebian: see main inclusion queue ...09:47
bddebiandoko: And where is that?  I live in the Universe ;-)09:49
sivangmpt: I'd like to leave lpi still for all of the alike panel behaving applets: showdesktop, notification area, workspace switcher. I still want to have the lpi items pop to the user if he right clicks those, to provide consistent behavior. What do you think?09:49
seb128BenC: around?09:50
mptsivang: Consistent with what?09:50
crimsunelmo: please sync openafs-doc from Sid09:51
crimsunelmo: err, scratch that. Sorry.09:52
sivangmpt: with the panel itself, for example, if someone right cliks the panel, he can see the lpi items, if we drop it from show desktop applets, the part of the panel with that "button" on it , when right clicked won't have the items. this is somewhat inconsistent since I don't think user distinct that from the rest of the panel. same goes for the workspace switcher status and notification area.09:54
sivangmpt: so "regular" applets are excluded, but those will still tickle the user to open a launchpad browser window.09:55
mptsivang: They have context menus specific to the applet, so if they have LPI items as well, those items should also be specific to the applet.09:55
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mptsivang: I thought the reason for removing them was that they were too much clutter, not that they were going to the wrong place.09:56
sivangmpt: true, this is still the reason for the "regular" applets - clock , fish ,etc. But I am talking about hte applets which are essentialy a part of the gnome-panel, and that IMHO can still carry lpi since it would look as this is part of the panel.09:57
mptsivang: How they look isn't quite as important as what their context menu already contains09:59
mpte.g. the workspace switcher's context menu is all about the workspace switcher, so if it contained LPI items I'd expect those to be about the workspace switcher too.09:59
mptsame for Show Desktop09:59
mptsame for notification area10:00
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sivangmpt: they are, bare in mind that those all part of the gnome-panel package, so lpi items there is meaningful to their regard.10:03
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sivangmpt: (users clicking on the panle's get help, will reach the same url one cliking the get help of showdesktop)10:03
sivangerr, /me curses this laptop kbd10:04
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vrlnI found a little aesthetic bug in the breezy bootup scripts: http://tolu.edu.hel.fi/~vrln/script.png10:05
vrlnthe "Mounting local filesystems..." displays the [ok]  in a wrong location geometry-wise10:06
Keybukgrr10:06
vrlnis this worth filing a bug about, or is this "normal"?10:06
Keybukfabbione: so, talk to me about the input subsystem ;)10:06
fabbioneKeybuk: it sucks?10:07
fabbionewhat else do you need to know?10:07
mptsivang: Hmm, this is like whether "Back" and "Forward" should be in the menu when you right-click on a link :-)10:07
sivangmpt: so do you agree? ;-)10:08
Keybukit seems to think it can get away with not passing all the environment to hotplug10:08
mptsivang: ok, I suppose so10:09
mptsivang: with the disclaimer that I think including LPI items in gnome-panel's context menu is not useful to begin with10:10
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sivangmpt: but then, how would you help people one-click to launchpad it? (btw - I am really not trying to push, just want to follow what you say to be ok with spec/intent)10:11
mptHow would I help people what to what?10:12
ografabbione, seen 14967 recently ? :-D10:13
sivangmpt: to have them open gnome-panel in launchpad as they do for "regular" apps ;)10:13
vrlnanyone? Just a simple yes/no would be great and I'd be glad :)10:13
fabbioneogra: no.. i am not following that bug...10:13
sivangogra: malone/bugzilla?10:13
vrln(in regards to the 3 lines I said earlier)10:13
fabbioneogra: and no.. i am not going to debug inotify anymore :)10:13
fabbioneogra: i refuse :P10:14
seb128fabbione: what shoud I do to rebuild a linux package with a patch? apt-get source linux-source-2.6.12, drop the patch somewhere or apply it and debuild?10:14
ografabbione, we apparently have a patch 10:14
fabbioneseb128: we use dpatch10:14
fabbioneseb128: create a dpatch and stick it in the usual place10:15
fabbioneBUT10:15
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fabbionewe don't use 00list directly10:15
fabbioneyou need to add it to 00list-$version10:15
fabbioneso just look around there10:15
mptsivang: I wouldn't. I think the kind of people who need tech support with gnome-panel are unlikely to understand that it's a distinct item from the rest of the OS, and I don't think there are significant people who want to translate gnome-panel but not the rest of Ubuntu.10:15
fabbioneand you will easily understand10:15
fabbioneseb128: if you build on concordia (I STRONGLY SUGGET IT)10:15
fabbioneseb128: export CONCURRENCY_LEVEL=20010:16
fabbionethat will speed up things10:16
mptsivang: So I'd have a general "Help" menu for LPI with Ubuntu-in-general (including panel), but that's Dapper material.10:16
vrlnok fine - I'll try #ubunty instead, thanks anyway10:16
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fabbioneseb128: there is also another kind of speedup you can do10:16
fabbioneseb128: before building go into debian/config/$arch10:16
fabbioneand remove the flavours you don't need10:17
fabbioneso if you use 686, just kill 386 686-smp k7*10:17
fabbioneand use the binary-debs target10:17
seb128fabbione: in fact that's to try the inotify patch ... maybe I should ping BenC to know if he can do 1 build and put here somewhere so people can try it and note if that fixes the issue?10:17
fabbioneit will build only the image you need10:17
fabbioneseb128: i just gave you everything you need.. really10:18
fabbioneit's few simple steps10:18
seb128fabbione: thanks for the explanations, I'll give it a try now10:18
fabbioneseb128: use concordia10:18
seb128and maybe using concordia is a good idea, right :)10:18
fabbioneit will save your life :)10:18
fabbionebut don10:18
sivanglol10:18
fabbionebut don't export more than 20010:18
fabbioneotherwise it will crash under your feet10:18
seb128k10:18
fabbioneand elmo will start yelling and screaming at me10:18
seb128could be fun :p10:18
seb128but then I need to start running from you which is not really that fun :)10:19
sivangfabbione: concrodia will crash? ;-)10:19
sivangmpt: agreed, what should I do for now? (want to "fix" this "bug")10:20
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mptsivang: <mpt> sivang: ok, I suppose so10:20
mptso, include them if you like10:20
fabbioneseb128: ahahha10:20
mptI don't think it'll make any difference either way10:21
fabbionesivang: if you export 500 yes10:21
fabbionesivang: it will exhaust all the memoru10:21
fabbionememory 10:21
fabbioneand become kind of unresponsive10:21
sivangfabbione: how much RAM does it have?10:21
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sivangmpt: ok, if only to not annoy some people who have reported it to be annoying in the clock and other applets.10:22
fabbionesivang: 2Gb + 2Gb swap10:22
fabbionesivang: but running 500 instances of gcc is not exactly light10:23
sivangfabbione: true :)10:24
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WaterSevenUbKamion, installing everything in PT language and allowing connection to the network do download additional language packages as requested during install (doesn't give an error in the end), firefox in the end appears in plain English, do you know why?10:28
WaterSevenUbkamion, if the download of language support doesn't give an error, the package mozilla-firefox-locale-pt should have been installed.10:32
mjg59www.codon.org.uk/~mjg59/tmp/powernowd_0.96-1ubuntu3_i386.deb10:34
mjg59If people could test that, I would love them forever10:34
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sivangmjg59: it it works, I will love you back with a beer on UBZ, if you're coming there10:36
mjg59sivang: Grab it and install it10:36
mjg59You may need to reboot10:36
Robot101oh yes10:36
sivangmjg59: trying now10:36
fabbioneKamion: ping?10:38
fabbionemehsorry10:38
fabbionemdz: ping?10:38
fabbionemdz: librrd2-dev needs promotion to main. It's a B-D of lm-sensors10:39
fabbionei think something was done recently to these 2 pkgs..10:39
fabbionebecause i don't recall them being part of main10:39
sivangmjg59: how do I know if I have to reboot? if hickups are gone iz ok ;-)10:43
mjg59sivang: Has it loaded speedstep-ich ?10:44
sivangmjg59: should I check with lsmod again?10:44
mjg59sivang: Yup10:44
sivangmjg59: module list as the same as before, IIRC10:44
sivangspeedstep_smi           5680  010:45
sivangspeedstep_lib           4228  1 speedstep_smi10:45
sivangfreq_table              4388  2 speedstep_smi,cpufreq_stats10:45
mjg59sivang: Ok. Can you try rebooting, then?10:45
sivangmjg59: sure, be back in a sec.10:45
sivanger, have to wait for a package build. in a couple of minutes then.10:45
siretartfabbione: around? your sparc is ready :)10:45
mjg59sivang: No problem10:46
sivangsiretart: are you and fabionne starting to play with sparc? I have a new machine in the office, could try installing there.10:47
siretartsivang: A friend of mine wants to provide hosting and hardware for use as buildd10:48
seb128jbailey: around?10:48
sivangsiretart: whee cool10:48
jbaileyseb128: Yup10:48
seb128jbailey: do you know something about http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=15826 ?10:48
jbaileyOnly sort of.  I know the code that's crashing, but it's not obvious to me how it's doing so.10:49
jbaileyogra: Did you get a failure with your LTSP install?10:50
seb128jbailey: k, so no idea of that a linux or something else bug and what to do?10:50
ograjbailey, i burned the wrong iso :( still installing10:50
fabbionesiretart: great!10:51
fabbionesiretart: but i am about to go and crash in bad..10:51
fabbionebed even10:51
ograseb128, thats the bug we just talked about10:51
seb128jbailey: it happens to the gnome-vfs upstream and a friend to him on a clean install, and it doesn't crash with -710:51
fabbionesiretart: mind if i take it over tomorrow?10:51
ograseb128, there is also a mail on -devel10:51
seb128ogra: who, where, when?10:51
siretartfabbione: 10:51
siretartfabbione: I'll write you an encrypted and sign mail with credential, ok?10:51
ograseb128, this morning... it has ltsp in the title... exactly the same symptom10:52
siretartfabbione: which mail do you prefer?10:52
fabbionesiretart: sure.. that works for me..10:52
seb128ogra: did you figure what is wrong?10:52
jbaileyseb128: Any of them on IRC?10:52
fabbionesiretart: anything that's in my gpg keys is fine and known to work10:52
sivangmjg59: rebooting now10:52
ograseb128, i'm just installing a edubuntu, i'll try to track it once its finished10:52
jbaileyseb128: I'd love to troubleshoot this interactively.  That's why I was waiting for ogra.10:52
fabbionesiretart: they all land in the same inbox :)10:52
siretartfabbione: okay :)10:52
seb128jbailey: gicmo is coming 10:53
jbaileyseb128: Thanks, just grabbing a drink.10:54
seb128jbailey: he's one of the gnomevfs upstream and he opened the bug I just pointed10:54
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gicmohey hey10:54
seb128hi gicmo :)10:54
gicmojbailey, you wanna track the kernel stuff down?10:55
jbaileygicmo: Please.10:55
jbaileygicmo: Let's take it to a /msg so that you can paste things at me without annoying the neighbours. =)10:56
seb128gicmo: dunno if you use freenode, but you need to be registred to /query now ...10:56
jbaileyseb128: I have that turned off on my nick.10:57
seb128oh, cool10:57
jbaileyseb128: /msg nickserv set unfiltered on10:57
jbaileyIIRC10:57
seb128jbailey: I just say it to people now because it's not easy to notice first 10:57
jbaileyYup10:57
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maswanelmo: if you are around and feel like some dns changing, tutankhamon.acc.umu.se (130.239.18.137) is down with some undiagnosed hardware failure for now. fix eta anything from days to weeks.10:59
fabbionemaswan: yo10:59
fabbionemaswan: do you think i can get (tomorrow) buttercup online to grab the config files for the other buildd?11:00
fabbione(tomorrow = when you can. not now ;))11:00
maswanfabbione: ah, right, I'll see when we get around to doing that. probably not tomorrow, hopefully this week. :)11:02
fabbionemaswan: for now i will be glad to backup the config files11:03
fabbionemaswan: so i can just replicate them to another buildd11:03
fabbioneit looks like we will make it for breezy :)11:04
maswanfabbione: :)11:04
fabbionewe only have one issue to solve11:04
fabbioneand test the install cd11:04
maswanfabbione: well, it is booted in solaris now (other disks)11:04
fabbionemaswan: ah cool11:04
fabbionedid you put some load on it?11:04
fabbioneor is it just idling?11:04
mjg59sivang: Any joy?11:07
sivangmjg59: seems so :)11:08
sivangmjg59: now let's try with some music, as there it was the worst hickups.11:08
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sivangnigh fabi11:09
maswanfabbione: I don't remember if they put osme load on it on if we're going to do that tomorrow. I was thinking something like while(1) {compile gcc; rm -rf}11:09
sivanggrr, night fabbione 11:09
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mjg59sivang: Cool11:11
sivangmjg59: you rock man, I will report back if I'll have more problems.11:12
mjg59sivang: Is speedstep-ich loaded?11:12
sivangmjg59: acutally, I didn't see any speedstepish loaded, is this okay?11:12
mjg59sivang: Hmm.11:12
mjg59sivang: Yes, that's a problem11:12
sivangpooh@bluespace ~ $ lsmod | grep "speedstep"11:13
sivangpooh@bluespace ~ $11:13
mjg59sivang: Can you please do11:13
sivangmjg59: sure, whatever you say11:13
mjg59sivang: . /usr/share/powernowd/cpufreq-detect.sh; echo $MODULE $MODULE_FALLBACK11:14
mjg59sivang: The first ". " is important11:14
wasabiOh this is weird.11:14
sivangmjg59: what does it do? (the first "." ?)11:14
wasabiFakeroot breaks when using libnss-ldap in the way I am doing so11:14
mjg59sivang: It sources the file into your current shell, rather than executing it in a new one11:15
dholbach good night11:15
sivangdholbach: night d11:15
sivangmjg59: ah k, do I need to run this as sudo'd since I get a permissions error11:15
mjg59sivang: No, that should be fine11:16
mjg59If it's just the /dev/mem error11:16
sivangmjg59: yes, it is11:16
mjg59Do you get any output?11:16
sivangpooh@bluespace ~ $ . /usr/share/powernowd/cpufreq-detect.sh; echo $MODULE $MODULE_FALLBACK11:16
sivang/dev/mem: Permission denied11:16
sivangnone acpi-cpufreq11:16
mjg59Hm.11:16
mjg59What CPU do you have?11:16
sivangmodel name      : Mobile Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 - M CPU 1.80GHz11:17
sivangflags           : fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush dts acpi mmx fxsr sse sse2 ss ht tm pbe cid11:17
sivangcurrently operating in 1.20GHz11:17
mjg59sivang: What does the cpu family line say?11:17
sivangcpu family      : 1511:18
mjg59sivang: Ok, hang on a moment11:19
sivangmjg59: sure no prob11:19
sivangmjg59: I'm getting much less hickups now, although spotted on or two since I booted11:20
mjg59sivang: Can you download the package again and reinstal it?11:20
sivangofcourse11:20
sivangyou changed anything?11:20
mjg59Yup11:20
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sivangmjg59: ok, installed, reboot again?11:23
mjg59sivang: Please11:24
sivangmjg59: ok, be back in a sec.11:24
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sivangmjg59: ok, back now11:29
sivangmjg59: lsmod | grep "speedstep" again?11:29
mjg59sivang: Please11:29
sivangHuston, I think we have a take off :-)11:30
sivangpooh@bluespace ~ $ lsmod | grep "speedstep"11:30
sivangspeedstep_ich           5164  011:30
sivangspeedstep_lib           4228  1 speedstep_ich11:30
sivangfreq_table              4388  2 speedstep_ich,cpufreq_stats11:30
mjg59Excellent11:30
mjg59That seems more promising11:30
mjg59Hmm. Is powernowd running?11:31
sivangyes, it does11:31
mjg59Rock11:31
sivangso now I should be able to use the laptop witout hickups?11:31
mjg59Yup11:31
sivang(none spotted so far, even network seem faster)11:31
sivangmjg59: how does it do that? what was the error?11:31
mjg59sivang: I had some incorrect shell syntax11:31
sivangmjg59: so you were loading  the incorrect modules due to that?11:32
sivangmjg59: (hope you don't me asking)11:33
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sivangweird, gnome-terminal eats up 30MB, that normal?11:36
sivang(with irssi in)11:37
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seb128jbailey, gicmo: have you figured what is wrong? I've the same issue now here with a linux rebuild I made with an inotify patch11:41
jbaileyseb128: We're working on multiple bugs at once. =)11:41
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seb128jbailey: oh, and the bugzilla I pointed 1 hour ago?11:42
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seb128jbailey: the syntax error 0x0 stuff11:44
ograjbailey, same symptom...11:44
mjg59sivang: Yup11:45
tsengogra: oh man11:45
tsengogra: hosting geek.11:45
ogratseng, lol11:45
bddebianheh11:45
jbaileyseb128: Right.  We're fixing that.11:45
jbaileyWe've also fixed update-initramfs to work right too in the case I hadn't tested.11:46
jbailey*joy*11:46
seb128jbailey: what is wrong for the syntax error? Something I can workaround? I would like to comment on this patch before going to sleep :p11:46
seb128s/workaround/workaround now/, I"m sure I'll get it fixed by an upload anyway :)11:47
jbaileyseb128: As a workaround, edit /usr/share/initramfs-tools/scripts/functions11:47
jbaileyGo to line 231.11:47
mjg59jbailey: Right. I'll be looking at the hibernate issue soon11:48
mjg59It seems to be broken for everyone (hurrah hurrah hurrah)11:48
jbaileyComment out that section for now, and regenerate the initramfs with mkinitramfs -o /boot/initrd.img-2.6.12-8-FOO 2.6.12-8-FOO11:48
seb128thanks11:48
seb128if that happens to everybody this bug is going to make some bad pub11:48
seb128"my box doesn't box" is something most user will not fix11:49
jbaileyseb128: It'll be gone as soon as I figure out what it is.11:49
seb128k, thanks11:49
gicmojbailey, so reboot now?11:49
jbaileygicmo: Please.11:49
gicmook brb11:49
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sivangnight all11:56
bddebianLater sivang11:58
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jmghi all11:58
jmgdoes ubuntu use the debian menu system for registering/deregistering11:58
elmook, so yeah, gnome-screensaver is definitely entirely breaking my box11:59
ograelmo, ?11:59
elmoevery time it starts the load ramps up and up, with X spinning hard11:59
jmgif not, how do i add a menu item. thanks11:59
ograelmo, bug please :)12:00
ograelmo, i havet heard such a case yet...12:00
ograwhat arch is that ? ppc ?12:00
elmoi38612:00
ograhmm12:00

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