[12:23] <segfault> should we translate the ubuntu logo?
[03:42] <jeffsch> segfault: ping
[03:47] <segfault> pong
[03:53] <jeffsch> segfault: i think i have a solution to your faq guide build problem
[03:53] <jeffsch> can i send you a makefile so you can test it?
[03:56] <segfault> sure
[03:56] <jeffsch> segfault@ubuntu.com?
[03:56] <segfault> yeap
[03:57] <jeffsch> ok
[03:59] <jeffsch> ok, sent
[04:00] <jeffsch> i hope it works :)
[04:01] <jeffsch> if it does, we should find some spot on the wiki for it, so other translators can use it
[04:03] <segfault> ok, i'll test it know
[04:08] <segfault> shouldn't the makefile have a call for xml2po?
[04:08] <jeffsch> hmmm.... that would be good. 
[04:09] <jeffsch> for now though, can you do xml2po manually, and then use the makefile?
[04:09] <jeffsch> i can add xml2po and then fix up any problems with the makefile
[04:10] <segfault> yeah, just a minute
[04:11] <jeffsch> we should add an aboutubuntu target also
[04:14] <segfault> that's weird, i'm getting some segfaults while trying to convert some xmls
[04:14] <segfault> Converting C/applications.xml...
[04:14] <segfault> ./pt_BR.sh: line 3: 19098 Segmentation fault      xml2po -p pt_BR/pt_BR.po "$i" >pt_BR/$(basename $i)
[04:14] <jeffsch> hmm...
[04:15] <jeffsch> ok, i know what it is
[04:16] <jeffsch> rob stoffers just changed the faqguide to all one big file about an hour ago
[04:16] <jeffsch> you don't need to convert each one individually any more
[04:16] <segfault> is it on branches/breezy?
[04:17] <jeffsch> i think so. I don't have branches/breezy, only trunk
[04:18] <segfault> lemme see
[04:18] <segfault> Checked out revision 1801.
[04:18] <segfault> nothing new
[04:19] <segfault> well, your script worked for the C stuff
[04:19] <segfault> i guess it is know a problem in our translations
[04:20] <segfault> err, s/know/now
[04:22] <jeffsch> open applications.xml and see if there is anything there
[04:24] <segfault> humm, it worked
[04:24] <segfault> :)
[04:24] <jeffsch> ok good.
[04:24] <segfault> with some hacks, here's what i did:
[04:25] <segfault> for i in C/*xml
[04:25] <segfault> do
[04:25] <segfault>         echo "Converting $i..."
[04:25] <segfault>         xml2po -p pt_BR/pt_BR.po "$i" > pt_BR/$(basename $i)
[04:25] <segfault> done
[04:25] <segfault> so, i parse every xml file..
[04:25] <segfault> then i go up one level, and run your makefile
[04:26] <segfault> it couldn't load some external entities, so i did some symlinks to bypass it:
[04:26] <segfault> lrwxrwxrwx  1 segfault segfault    12 Sep 18 23:23 common -> ../../common
[04:26] <segfault> lrwxrwxrwx  1 segfault segfault    17 Sep 18 23:24 menus -> ../../gnome/menus
[04:26] <segfault> and ran the makefile again, and it generated the html translated files
[04:33] <jeffsch> ok. what can we do to make this easier?
[04:33] <jeffsch> i can change the target to faq instead of faqi386
[04:33] <jeffsch> i can add a target 'au' for about ubuntu
[04:34] <jeffsch> i can add a LANG variable, so you only have to modify the language in one place
[04:34] <jeffsch> is there anything we can do about the symlinks?
[04:36] <segfault> wait..
[04:37] <segfault> just did a cp -r C pt_BR, and ran the make again
[04:37] <segfault> and it built without errors
[04:38] <segfault> and without the symlinks
[04:41] <segfault> i'm trying to find where those entities come from
[04:42] <segfault> global.ent
[04:47] <jeffsch> hmm... you should run the makefile in gnome/ and not generic/
[04:48] <segfault> but the faquide is inside generic
[04:49] <jeffsch> i know. but the makefile contents are copied from the gnome/Makefile
[04:49] <jeffsch> all the directories are relative from gnome/
[04:49] <jeffsch> about ubuntu is in gnome too
[04:50] <jeffsch> a big mess
[04:50] <segfault> hehe
[04:50] <jeffsch> we have a lot of fixing to do after breezy release
[04:50] <jeffsch> live and learn :)
[04:51] <jeffsch> ok i have to go
[04:52] <segfault> me too, tomorrow we can make new tests
[04:52] <segfault> cya, and thanks for the help
[04:52] <jeffsch> np. cya.
[05:31] <Burgundavia> robitaille, which docs?
[05:32] <robitaille> do we talk about the screensaver anywhere?
[05:32] <Burgundavia> don't think so
[05:32] <robitaille> so we're fine  I guess
[05:45] <Burgundavia> robitaille, the faqguide talks little about what is on the system. It mostly talks about what you need to add
[05:52] <Burgundavia> salut jsgotangco 
[05:52] <jsgotangco> hi Burgundavia 
[05:52] <jsgotangco> how's quickguide?
[05:52] <Madpilot> hi everyone
[05:52] <jsgotangco> i finally got my dsl back
[05:53] <Burgundavia> jsgotangco, there are some edits on my laptop that I need to get off, didn't have a chance to get them off last night
[06:02] <jsgotangco> pinay, hi
[06:03] <pinay> jsgotangco: hi, how is up diliman?
[06:05] <jsgotangco> up pa rin hehehe...seriously though, its been a while since ive been there, but the last time i went there, i did a talk
[06:06] <pinay> jsgotangco: the up campus looked so different when i went home last december, even my school (miriam/maryknoll) looked so different. nakakalito ang katipunan.
[06:07] <jsgotangco> Burgundavia, what does Rosetta mean that it can't handle plurals?
[06:08] <jsgotangco> pinay, its so different now, with the MRT and traffic re-routing
[06:08] <Burgundavia> jsgotangco, I think that is a gettext limitation. I really don't understand it
[06:08] <jsgotangco> i guess manual pot work would be the workaround instead of Rosetta
[06:09] <pinay> jsgotangco: yes, i tried driving there and what a mistake that was
[06:10] <Burgundavia> jsgotangco, I don't think that it is a rosetta thing. it is an underlying gettext thing
[06:11] <pinay> jsgotangco: my husband asked me if i'd be interested in translating documentation for ubuntu, as i am not technical, i told him i'll try
[06:11] <jsgotangco> pinay, are you aware of Rosetta? It's a web interface that allows you to translate
[06:11] <tritium> jsgotangco, I haven't shown her anything yet...
[06:11] <pinay> jsgotangco: no i'm not
[06:12] <jsgotangco> tritium, about-ubuntu is open for translation, its a short doc. the faq guide has a plurals issue with tagalog
[06:12] <jsgotangco> https://launchpad.net/products/ubuntu-doc/+translations
[06:12] <tritium> jsgotangco, okay.  We'll take a look at it.
[06:13] <tritium> Thanks
[06:13] <jsgotangco> a "steve torrefranca" has also contributed
[06:13] <Burgundavia> rob^, shouldn't you have killing the various files that bits of the faqguide?
[06:14] <jsgotangco> tritium, there's also the downloadable pot file but i wouldn't recommend her doing that
[06:15] <tritium> jsgotangco, okay.  If she can do the translating, I can work the the pot file
[06:16] <pinay> jsgotangco: I'll do my best
[06:17] <tritium> jsgotangco, is registration on launchpad enough to get her started?
[06:17] <jsgotangco> pinay, good luck! its fun
[06:17] <jsgotangco> yeah
[06:17] <tritium> awesome, thanks
[06:17] <pinay> jsgotangco: salamat po
[06:17] <jsgotangco> there were a lot of translations of apps pulled from debian already
[06:18] <jsgotangco> the d-i didn't make it though but is currently in sid
[06:18] <jsgotangco> im going to grab a sandwhich for lunch, bbl
[06:18] <tritium> see you
[08:02] <rob^> Burgundavia, ?
[08:05] <Burgundavia> rob^, you emptied the files of contents but didn't delete the files themselves
[08:05] <rob^> Burgundavia, no I didn't did I
[08:05] <rob^> does it matter?
[08:05] <Burgundavia> not really, just making sure that is what you intended
[08:06] <rob^> yeah
[08:06] <jsgotangco> Burgundavia, i have the MS OEM CD here with me FYI
[08:06] <rob^> Whoever did the xinclude tags missed a whole chapter
[08:09] <jsgotangco> why is work being done in trunk?
[08:10] <jsgotangco> Burgundavia, the WindowsXP OEM Preinstallation kit contains a ton of documents and scripts, but it has a basic document called Step-by-Step Guide mabye this is the one you are looking for?
[08:14] <Burgundavia> jsgotangco, ya, that is likely what i looking to replicate
[08:15] <Burgundavia> jsgotangco, but the whole kit would be nice to parse
[08:15] <Burgundavia> jsgotangco, how did you get yours?
[08:15] <jsgotangco> Burgundavia, that's hard, I was browsing at the cd now and it looks terribly complicated really
[08:15] <jsgotangco> the step by step alone is 48 pages
[08:15] <Burgundavia> ouch
[08:15] <Burgundavia> we can do better than that
[08:16] <jsgotangco> well the oem stuff has branding covered as well
[08:16] <jsgotangco> like adding logos and stuff
[08:16] <Burgundavia> yes, that is other side I was looking at
[08:17] <jsgotangco> now if we had a working OEM cd, when a user clicks about ubuntu, it would probably show diagnostics and the logo of the oem
[08:17] <Burgundavia> hmm
[08:18] <jsgotangco> wonder where gnome can do something like that
[08:20] <Burgundavia> the diags?
[08:20] <jsgotangco> i think the same docs/apps can be pulled from microsoft.com/oem
[08:20] <jsgotangco> but that defeats the purpose of the oem
[08:20] <jsgotangco> heh
[08:22] <Burgundavia> nto really
[08:22] <Burgundavia> a lot fo the windows oem branded stuff is extra programs
[08:22] <Burgundavia> oems are in the business of services and hardware, not software develoment
[08:22] <Burgundavia> remember, even the largest OEM is a minnow to MS. We can and are different
[08:22] <jsgotangco> our best conservative target is just to make a guide for now
[08:22] <Burgundavia> yes
[08:22] <jsgotangco> Burgundavia, what's your jabber id?
[08:24] <Burgundavia> Burgundavia@jabber.org
[08:30] <jsgotangco> Burgundavia, looks like our OEM stuff is non-existent in the help department i couldn't even find it on the cd
[08:31] <Burgundavia> we have no OEM help
[08:38] <jsgotangco> nice
[08:38] <Burgundavia> hence why I started thinking about it
[08:42] <Madpilot> in the context of help, what is OEM help, vs any other sort
[08:42] <Madpilot> ?
[08:42] <jsgotangco> a guide to have ubuntu pre-installed
[08:42] <jsgotangco> its a system builder thing
[08:43] <Madpilot> ah, OK. got it. 
[08:43] <Madpilot> so the target would be the computer companies themselves, and/or the resellers?
[08:44] <Burgundavia> anybody that needs to put Ubuntu on a machine and sell it
[08:44] <jsgotangco> the the computer manufacturters is a different level
[08:57] <jsgotangco> night
[09:48] <dholbach> hi
[09:48] <jsgotangco> hi dholbach fancy seeing you here =)
[09:49] <dholbach> hey jerome :)
[09:49] <dholbach> i asked this already some days ago - do you cover gnome-bittorrent on any screenshots or somewhere in the documentation?
[09:49] <dholbach> somebody wnats me to change the menu entry to say something else
[09:49] <jsgotangco> somebody is influential? =)
[09:50] <dholbach> somebody is "Evandro Fernandes Giovanini <evandrofg@ig.com.br>" :)
[09:50] <jsgotangco> im not sure if its in the faqguide...
[09:50] <dholbach> or in a menu editor screenshot or something
[09:51] <dholbach> if it isn't, i'll ask mdz/kamion for approval
[09:51] <dholbach> and then upload it :)
[09:51] <jsgotangco> change the name to what?
[09:51] <dholbach> from GNOME BitTorrent to BitTorrent
[09:52] <jsgotangco> not sure how big an impact that is but documentation wise, it shouldn't be that much on an effort
[09:52] <jsgotangco> unless there are already finished docs that are translated
[09:52] <jsgotangco> its only 1 string
[09:53] <dholbach> yeah, that's what i thought
[09:53] <dholbach> the change would make sense for me
[09:53] <pedri2> hello jsgotangco 
[09:53] <jsgotangco> hi irvin 
[09:54] <irvin> how was linuxworld?
[09:54] <jsgotangco> awesome
[09:54] <jsgotangco> i had a pic with 3 MS booth girls
[09:54] <dholbach> haha :)
[09:54] <irvin> i've been so busy
[09:54] <jsgotangco> dholbach, yeah we had an MS booth
[09:55] <jsgotangco> it was BIGGER han Red Hat's booth
[09:55] <irvin> i had to migrate two internet shops to kubuntu
[09:55] <jsgotangco> ahh
[09:55] <jsgotangco> irvin, we're planning a hackfest sometime in november, its possible RMS will come
[09:55] <irvin> really? nice if i could join
[09:56] <jsgotangco> sure its supposed to be open not like linuxworld
[09:57] <irvin> what did you talk about in linuxworld?
[09:57] <jsgotangco> since stallman is working with the undp and iosn lately, he's more than willing to go over here
[09:58] <irvin> it would be a wonderful opportunity for him to meet with politicians to push through open source
[09:58] <irvin> its about time
[09:59] <irvin> i'm doing my share here in the province
[09:59] <jsgotangco> sure marvin (pascual) got to have dinner with him in bangkok
[09:59] <jsgotangco> PLUG is already recognized by the IOSN and UNDP
[10:00] <irvin> that is good news. what we need are stronger lobbyists in congress
[10:01] <jsgotangco> irvin, let's move to #ubuntu-ph (this is a doc channel btw)
[10:01] <irvin> i'll be writing to my congressman soon
[10:01] <irvin> i see
[10:01] <irvin> sorry didn't know
[10:01] <jsgotangco> no worries
[10:07] <sivang> morning all
[04:34] <mgalvin> hi all, long time no see