[12:00] <Seveas> ttrocal, then check the X logfiles
[12:00] <iratsu> Is there some software that I can use to draw molecule structures?
[12:00] <Seveas> char1iecha1k, both work fine
[12:00] <Seveas> iratsu, yes
[12:00] <Seveas> chemdraw (iirc)
[12:00] <char1iecha1k> Seveas am i right in thinking that they both can do WPA
[12:00] <sorush20> chemdraw
[12:01] <Seveas> iratsu, ghemical
[12:01] <ttrocal> Seveas: Also, on the matter of the four broken packages, the other 3 seem to be dependant on postfix.  I tried to dpkg --configure postfix and I get "invoke-rc.d: initscript postfix, action "start" failed"
[12:01] <persia> iratsu: chemtool, rather
[12:01] <sorush20> Seveas: why did you type (iirc)
[12:01] <Seveas> iratsu, xdrawchem
[12:01] <valerocar> Testing, testing
[12:01] <iratsu> whoa
[12:02] <reiki> sorush20, iirc = if I remember correctly
[12:02] <iratsu> Seveas: are these all equivalent?
[12:03] <Seveas> iratsu, no
[12:03] <iratsu> Seveas: which one do you recommend?
[12:03] <Seveas> these are just the packages i found with apt-cache search chem
[12:03] <iratsu> oh
[12:03] <DansFloyd> why is it when il ockmy screen it dosnt use the screensaver, also theirs 2 different Screensaver options in System>Preferences... why is this?
[12:03] <Seveas> iratsu, I have no experience with either of them, so I can't make recommendations
[12:04] <bamama> somebody have a link for linux-source-2.6.20 download ?
[12:04] <Seveas> there is none
[12:04] <Seveas> 2.6.20 does not exist
[12:04] <DansFloyd> anyone know?
[12:04] <red_blood> question: what's the font's directory in ubuntu?
[12:04] <red_blood> where is?
[12:04] <bamama> somebody have a link for linux-source-2.6.10 download ? :)
[12:05] <Seveas> and with apt-get install linux-source-2.6.10 you can install it
[12:05] <iratsu> sorush20, persia: do you have experience with these software?
[12:05] <Seveas> red_blood, /usr/share/fonts and ~/.fonts
[12:05] <thoreauputic> red_blood: did you mean to ask, "How do I install fonts in Ubuntu" ?
[12:05] <red_blood> thanks
[12:05] <persia> bamama: As you've reported issues with apt-get, you coud also try http://packages.ubuntu.com/cgi-bin/download.pl?arch=all&file=pool%2Fmain%2Fl%2Flinux-source-2.6.10%2Flinux-source-2.6.10_2.6.10-34.5_all.deb&md5sum=3c8d717bc6977b445e3b1a80327610eb&arch=all&type=security if you like.
[12:05] <pluffsy> where in the gnome gui do you setup 24 hour days?
[12:05] <pluffsy> my clock says PM and AM and other confusing stuff :p
[12:06] <pluffsy> Time & Date sounded logical but appearently not.
[12:06] <persia> pluffsy: Right-click the clock, and choose preferences.
[12:06] <Seveas> pluffsy, i'd set LC_CTIME to en_GB in /etc/environment if I were you :)
[12:06] <pluffsy> persia: darn my right click doesn't work :(
[12:06] <Seveas> but what persia said is easier :)
[12:06] <thoreauputic> pluffsy: setting up 24 hour days? Are you running on metric time or something? (/me thought days already had 24 hours *grin* )
[12:07] <pluffsy> Seveas, yours easier as long as my right click doesn't work.
[12:07] <persia> pluffsy: Oh, right, sorry.  OK, you'll need a new mouse?
[12:07] <Seveas> thoreauputic, rofl
[12:07] <pluffsy> persia, I just need mouse emulation to work :(
[12:07] <pluffsy> thoreauputic, hehe. bastard :p
[12:08] <thoreauputic> pluffsy: mwuhahahha ! *evil grin*
[12:08] <bamama> persia: tnx
[12:08] <DansFloyd> anyone know why my lockscreen isnt working correctly?
[12:09] <Seveas> DansFloyd, because xscreensaver got replaced with gnome-screensaver
[12:09] <thoreauputic> DansFloyd: is xscreensaver running?
[12:09] <Seveas> (in Breezy)
[12:09] <thoreauputic> ah
[12:09] <Seveas> this will be fixed :)
[12:09] <sorush20> iratsu: no not really it depend what software you are looking for if you a Dr in chemistry and want to feed structural data and have it model a molecule for you it would be best to talk to and expert.. just find a Dr in chem.. at some university and ask him..
[12:10] <CarlFK> who did the Ubuntu hardware database wizard thing?
[12:10] <DansFloyd> hmmm, how can i fix it?
[12:10] <crimsun> CarlFK: ogra did iirc
[12:10] <thoreauputic> Seveas: does gnome-screensaver still run the xscreensaver hacks we know and love?
[12:10] <sorush20> guys.. this is the directroy that my CD rom is trying to access will it have problems.. /home/sam/Desktop/New Folder
[12:10] <Sgep> Why is mplayer in multiverse?
[12:10] <pluffsy> thoreauputic, no ideas at all to why the emulation doesn't work? I mean not too many things I can do wrong. right? see keycode from xev and type it into /etc/sysctl.conf
[12:10] <crimsun> Sgep: licensing issues
[12:10] <CarlFK> crimsun- thanks.  I want to sugest collecting modem info too
[12:11] <thoreauputic> pluffsy: sounds logical - I've never tried it so I can't really help you, sorry
[12:11] <crimsun> Sgep: mainly, the build-dependencies that mplayer has are in multiverse due to licensing issues
[12:11] <Seveas> thoreauputic, yes
[12:11] <persia> pluffsy: Without right-clicking you can set the clock with the gconf key /apps/panel/applets/clock(underscore)screen0/prefs/format (you want 24-hour).
[12:11] <sorush20> terminal is unable to read the New Folder directory since it has a space in it.. instead it show the directory as New\ Folder
[12:11] <ogra> CarlFK, if the modem is shown in hal it is collected
[12:11] <jtan325> anyone here use the artwiz fonts? what's the safest/easiest way to install them?
[12:12] <CarlFK> hey ogra.  does that include winmodems?
[12:12] <ogra> CarlFK, if they are listed in your device manager...
[12:12] <pluffsy> persia, thanks
[12:12] <DansFloyd> seveas: is there a way to fix this?
[12:12] <Seveas> jtan325, if they're simply ttf files, drop them in ~/.fonts
[12:12] <Seveas> DansFloyd, yes. Wait.
[12:13] <CarlFK> orga - is there a place I can see pci ID's of modems that work?
[12:13] <Seveas> the devs are fixing it and you'll just have to update regularly
[12:13] <jtan325> Seveas, they're bitmap fonts
[12:13] <ogra> CarlFK, or show up in the boot log ... hwdb collects lshal, xorg.conf and your boot log
[12:13] <Seveas> you're running a development version of a distro, things like this happen.
[12:13] <Seveas> jtan325, should work too afaik
[12:13] <DansFloyd> ok...
[12:13] <DansFloyd> thx
[12:13] <jtan325> hmm
[12:13] <jtan325> i've done that
[12:13] <jtan325> but when i use gtkfontsel
[12:14] <jtan325> it doesn't show up
[12:14] <DansFloyd> Ubuntu is the best :D
[12:14] <mushroomblue> I dunno.
[12:14] <mushroomblue> still not sure if I like it as much as gentoo.
[12:14] <ogra> CarlFK, not yet... i'm still working on a SQL backend, currently the data isnt easily searchable and edubuntu doesnt leave me much time
[12:14] <jtan325> or maybe i gotta log out again
[12:15] <sorush20> guys why does this happen..sam@ubuntu:~/Desktop/New Folder$ sudo cp "/home/sam/Desktop/New Folder" /home/sam/ Password: cp: omitting directory `/home/sam/Desktop/New Folder'
[12:15] <thoreauputic> jtan325: apt-cache search artwiz  <-- easy way is install xfonts-artwiz I guess
[12:15] <Seveas> sorush20, cp -r
[12:15] <Seveas> thoreauputic, lol :)
[12:16] <Seveas> ("I-n-v-i-s-i-o-n 2.0 Build 3515") <-- how can you call a script a 'build' ...
[12:16] <mushroomblue> sorush20: don't use quotes.
[12:16] <mushroomblue> sorush20: sudo cp -r /home/sam/Desktop/New\ Folder /home/sam/
[12:18] <joakim> Ok, I really suck at this. How do I install mplayer and all existing codecs?
[12:18] <mushroomblue> joakim: I'll get you a URL. :)
[12:18] <Seveas> joakim, enable multiverse and hoary-extras
[12:18] <Seveas> and apt-get install mplayer-586 w32codecs
[12:18] <Seveas> joakim: Adding Repositories: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[12:18] <Seveas> joakim: For a ready-to-use sources.list with all official Ubuntu repositories, go to paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969
[12:19] <CarlFK> ogra - edubuntu sounds like something more important than me figuuring out which of these modesm I should mess with
[12:19] <Pyf> hey, is there a prgram that will organise my mp3s so they are in folders based on the albumname and band name?
[12:19] <joakim> Wow ^^
[12:20] <waterbaby999> what command can i use to make crossover office let me use office 2k3 (it says newer version of windows needed)
[12:20] <sorush20> mushroomblue: thanks.. I have a CDRW that will not read.. it read partly and misses part of the other file... how can I fix this.. also.. The I I know that a file contains Image data.. but it is an unreadable file type... eg. .dm3, How can etract the data.. I guess what I'm asking is that is there a way for me to read a non standard image file using standard image programs..
[12:20] <ogra> CarlFK, heh, i think its both important, but the hwdb isnt depending on the release schedule i have to set priorities ;)
[12:20] <CarlFK> waterbaby999 - there is a wine.conf option - something like WinVer
[12:20] <mushroomblue> sorush20: dunno. can you get it to read anywhere else? I'm wondering if it's a problem with the disc.
[12:21] <||dave||> how do i get rid of the system beep at startup and shutdown?  the shartup beep happens just before the login screen appears and the beep on shutdown occurs just after the PCI... message flashes
[12:21] <||dave||> this has happened with .04 and with .10
[12:21] <waterbaby999> CarlFK: there is?
[12:21] <CarlFK> waterbaby999 - yes
[12:22] <sorush20> mushroomblue: I should check that.. but technically what does it mean when the disk is only read partly..
[12:22] <mushroomblue> sorush20: either a) bad disc, or b) something wrong with application/driver.
[12:22] <mushroomblue> most likely, A.
[12:23] <selinium> Hi Seveas, dont know if this is a bug, but when I am using phpmyadmin in firefox, if I open a new tab, firefox-bin takes up all the cpu.
[12:23] <apokryphos> selinium: for long amounts of time?
[12:23] <nalioth_wrkn> selinium: ff is known to be a cpu hog. try using galeon or kazehakaze or epiphany
[12:23] <selinium> apokryphos, yep until I kill it
[12:23] <Seveas> selinium, i'd call that a bug
[12:23] <apokryphos> selinium: it's a bug then
[12:24] <Seveas> never happened to me though on 3 different pma version
[12:24] <selinium> lol. Who do i report it to, mozilla?
[12:24] <CarlFK> waterbaby999 - http://winehq.com/site/docs/wine-user/config-windows-versions
[12:25] <Seveas> selinium, only if you can gather more info (like a strace of the problem)
[12:25] <selinium> Seveas: strace? This is where I need to learn more!
[12:25] <poningru> selinium: report what now?
[12:26] <poningru> sorry just came in
[12:26] <persia> selinium: Is it https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=137584?
[12:26] <selinium> poningru, when I am using phpmyadmin in firefox, if I open a new tab, firefox-bin takes up all the cpu.
[12:27] <poningru> hmm
[12:27] <selinium> persia: Was that supposed to be a joke? It doesn't exist! :)
[12:27] <poningru> are you using nightly?
[12:27] <selinium> poningru, not as far as I know! :)
[12:28] <erUSUL> selinium: i think that strace will not help here a debugger or a profiler maybe...
[12:28] <||dave||> how do i get rid of the system beep at startup and shutdown?  the shartup beep happens just before the login screen appears and the beep on shutdown occurs just after the PCMCIA message flashes
[12:28] <Seveas> The best bug I know is http://launchpad.net/malone/bugs/1
[12:28] <poningru> hold on let me ask around
[12:28] <persia> selinium: Oops!  drop the final '?': that wasn't supposed to be in the URL.
[12:29] <selinium> persia: NO, not that one. As far as i know, phpmyadmin does not use dhtml
[12:29] <selinium> erUSUL, I dont even know how to do a strace! :)
[12:30] <eric_> hello all
[12:30] <erUSUL> selinium: neither I :D
[12:30] <selinium> Seveas, ROFL @ bug
[12:30] <poningru> selinium: dude do you know if I can test that?
[12:30] <poningru> is there some place like a sandbox where I can test a phpadmin?
[12:30] <poningru> assumine its a web app type of thingy
[12:31] <HaRDaWaY> hello people
[12:31] <selinium> poningru, have yot got apache?
[12:31] <poningru> hehe no
[12:31] <zxsykco> WEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[12:31] <poningru> this guy is a tiny laptop cant run anything hardcore on it
[12:32] <slack7384> poningru: I once ran Apache on an old 166 MHz Pentium I 64MB RAM with Kernel 2.4.29!
[12:32] <poningru> selinium: my guess would be to download and use 1.5 beta and see if that still gives you trouble
[12:32] <selinium> poningru, phpmyadmin is a mysql admin app coded in php to run on the server.. Did that make sense! You would need to install a LAMP
[12:32] <benplaut> i wonder if my internet is on...
[12:33] <selinium> poningru, 1.5 beta of ?
[12:33] <slack7384> selinium: would XAMPP be an easy choice (after adding security of course)?
[12:33] <poningru> selinium: firefox
[12:33] <MrBoncimerl> arrakis.es
[12:33] <poningru> http://www.mozilla.org/projects/firefox/
[12:33] <slack7384> benplaut: "quote" I wonder if my internet is on: I saw your message?
[12:34] <benplaut> slack7384: good point :P
[12:34] <poningru> selinium: http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/tinderbox-builds/prometheus-mozilla1.8/
[12:34] <poningru> thats from yesterday
[12:35] <poningru> get the 1.4
[12:35] <mushroomblue> does anyone have a newer xmame package? 0.86 is older than dirt.
[12:35] <mushroomblue> or know where to get one?
[12:36] <red_blood> hcan i change the gdm resolution?
[12:36] <esac_> is it possible to not have my 2nd desktop programs show up in the taskbar on the 1st desktop ?
[12:37] <slack7384> red_blood: shouldn't gdm resolution and X.org/XFree86 resoloution be the same?
[12:37] <selinium> poningru, Cheers, i will see if it solves the problem. 23.36 here and I need to finish some work before bed. So i will do it tomorrow.
[12:38] <erUSUL> esac_: 's/desktop/workspace/' is not? i do not have this problem whit gnome. are you dual head?
[12:38] <red_blood> slack the gdm resolution is 1280x1024 and my desktop resolution is 1024x768, i change it, but the gdm resolution is the maximun
[12:39] <tga> howdy
[12:39] <esac_> erusul: yes, workspace. im running kde, not dual head
[12:40] <slack7384> red_blood: so you want the gdm resolution to be 1024x768 like the desktop?
[12:40] <tga> how can I have iptables forward all packages from one interface to another?
[12:40] <persia> mushroomblue: Debian unstable has a newer one, (0.99) but Breezy is in an upstream version freeze.  I don't know if the new one would compile for Ubuntu.
[12:40] <red_blood> yes slack7384 :)
[12:40] <tga> I can't set up a bridge because my wireless driver doesn't support it
[12:40] <nalioth_wrkn> tga: yes
[12:40] <tga> nalioth_wrkn, there was a 'how' in there :)
[12:40] <red_blood> if its is possible
[12:41] <nalioth_wrkn> tga: use a frontend like firstarter or something and tell it that's what you want
[12:42] <tga> nalioth_wrkn, how would you do it with iptables though? frontends tend to add a bunch of rules I don't really need
[12:42] <mushroomblue> persia: I'm trying.
[12:42] <mushroomblue> persia: found a script.
[12:42] <mushroomblue> persia: that would explain why the packages in breezy suck atm.
[12:42] <Seveas> tga forwarding all packets seems a bit weird
[12:42] <Seveas> then your pc would be a simple hub
[12:43] <tga> Seveas, I want a wireless bridge really but I can't use bridge-utils because my orinoco driver doesn't support it
[12:43] <persia> Could anyone recommend another forum where I could ask for assistance configuring xorg to use all the keys on my keyboard?
[12:43] <z|bandito> a system of mine will boot the live cd, but when i put in the install disc it says 'no os found' .. this happens with kubuntu also, and it will boot dynebolic, but also does that with the cd and dvd releases of fedora core 4... but i had successfully installed fc3 on it before.  any ideas why it would suddenly like live CD's but not like any installation media? O.O
[12:43] <mushroomblue> tga: try firestarter. it doesn't suck.
[12:43] <pippijn> hi all
[12:43] <pippijn>   tmw: Depends: libcurl3 (>= 7.14.0-2) but 7.12.3-2ubuntu3 is to be installed
[12:43] <tga> alright, will do
[12:43] <pippijn> where do I get that from?
[12:43] <Seveas> tga, sunno if this works for you, this is a NAT/internet connection sharing setup: http://kaarsemaker.net/~dennis/start_nat
[12:44] <Seveas> pippijn, don''t use 3rd party packages then :)
[12:44] <pippijn> I am going to reinstall
[12:44] <pippijn> I want to try it
[12:44] <tga> I don't want to do NAT though, I want the computers to appear to be in the same segment
[12:44] <thoreauputic> z|bandito: I've only seen "no OS found" when the machine is trying to boot to windows
[12:44] <tga> is that possible or do I need to setup an arp proxy of some kind?
[12:44] <pippijn> if I mess it up it doesn't matter as I am about to reinstall
[12:44] <z|bandito> i've also replaced the optical drive to no avail
[12:45] <z|bandito> it does it at bios
[12:45] <Seveas> tga, ENOCLUE, I'm far from a network guru, sorry
[12:45] <thoreauputic> z|bandito: iirc I fixed it by resetting the BIOS to defaults
[12:45] <slack7384> red_blood: you might have to hack your way through /etc/X11/gdm/gdm.conf file to set the resolution?
[12:45] <z|bandito> hmm ok i'll have a look at that stuff
[12:45] <z|bandito> thanks
[12:45] <pippijn> Seveas: can I force it to accept the older version?
[12:46] <Seveas> pippijn, maybe
[12:46] <Seveas> what is tmw / where did you get it?
[12:46] <pippijn> http://themanaworld.org/
[12:47] <pippijn> they have debian packages
[12:48] <Seveas> pippijn, on breezy it will work
[12:48] <pippijn> okay.. can I get the breezy package from somewhere?
[12:48] <pippijn> it is not in pool
[12:48] <Seveas> hehe
[12:48] <Seveas> breezy is the next ubuntu version
[12:48] <Seveas> which is usable already
[12:48] <spazz> how do i install a debian package? can i?
[12:49] <mushroomblue> dpkg -i <packagename>
[12:49] <nalioth_wrkn> spazz: some debian pkgs will break your box. be careful
[12:49] <pippijn> Seveas: I don't want to use it now
[12:49] <FR500> hello
[12:49] <Kyral> Seveas, is your Repo up? The guy that maintains the build in our ITL saw me looking at the Wiki and was interested
[12:49] <pippijn> I will later
[12:49] <Seveas> kyral it is
[12:49] <Seveas> it just changed
[12:49] <FR500> is it hard to join Active Directory from ubuntu?
[12:49] <pippijn> but now I just want that package to work... can I get the breezy libcurl?
[12:49] <Kyral> ty ty
[12:49] <Seveas> I;ll update the wiki :)
[12:50] <spazz> where do i type that?
[12:50] <nalioth_wrkn> Seveas: would you be interested in offering your java deb as a torrent? i'd host it
[12:50] <nalioth_wrkn> Seveas: and your other large bandwidth sucking files?
[12:50] <Kyral> He doesn't believe you can outdo VNC on a LAN with FreeNX on a 56k :P
[12:50] <WebLOCH> Anyone awake ?
[12:50] <WebLOCH> Ahhh awesome, people that are awake!
[12:50] <Seveas> Kyral, ROFL
[12:51] <slack7384> WebLOCH: I'm awake (hand raised in the air......)
[12:51] <Kyral> I activated SSHD for FreeNX
[12:51] <nalioth_wrkn> off to work
[12:51] <Kyral> and also implemented a kickass IPTables rule to protect it :D
[12:51] <WebLOCH> I've been doing some reading to try and get my keyb/mouse set running but to no avail, I was hoping to find someone that might have an idea
[12:52] <pippijn> where are the breezy packages?
[12:52] <Kyral> I found out the IP Blocks that two computer labs I SSH from use and put an IP Tables rule into effect that only allows SSH connections from there
[12:52] <pippijn> I cant find them
[12:52] <WebLOCH> pippijn are you running hoary?
[12:52] <X7C> un decompilador deflash pa linux?
[12:52] <Seveas> Kyral, allow localhost ssh connections too...
[12:52] <X7C> !
[12:52] <ubotu> I don't know, X7C
[12:52] <X7C> sorry
[12:52] <pippijn> WebLOCH: yes
[12:52] <Seveas> X7C, english please
[12:52] <Kyral> Seveas eh?
[12:53] <X7C> messed up
[12:53] <Seveas> Kyral, freenx uses an ssh -X connection on localhost internally
[12:53] <jediborger> I have WG111t wireless network usb card and I have ndiswrapper 1.2 installed and the driver saying "driver present, hardware present" but it doesn't show up under the networking program
[12:53] <WebLOCH> pippijn, I had to do this today with the help of a friend
[12:53] <persia> pippijn: Take a look at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyUpgradeNotes for notes.  Please note that this is the development version of Ubuntu, and is not quite done yet.
[12:53] <WebLOCH> Can I PM you ?
[12:53] <Kyral> ahh
[12:53] <Seveas> it then captures the X by emulating an X server
[12:53] <Seveas> and tunnels it via the external ssh session
[12:53] <Kyral> so I just have to add || 127.0.0.1?
[12:53] <pippijn> WebLOCH: what did you do? upgrade or use a package from breezy on hoary?
[12:54] <Seveas> with the super-duper NX protocol :)
[12:54] <pippijn> I need to do the latter
[12:54] <Seveas> Kyral, might be a good idea ;)
[12:54] <WebLOCH> Ahh right I upgraded from Hoary to Breezy
[12:54] <waterbaby999> http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-2649.html <-- that helped me with ndiswrapper
[12:54] <Enendar> is there a good linux alt to macromedia flash?
[12:54] <WebLOCH> But its a very similar process
[12:54] <Seveas> Enendar, macromedia flash :)
[12:54] <Kyral> hah its being refused
[12:54] <Seveas> (if not on ppc/amd64)
[12:54] <Enendar> oh, it has linux support? :)
[12:54] <WebLOCH> If you edit your sources list you can get a list of packages from Breezy
[12:54] <WebLOCH> And then select the ones you want specifically
[12:54] <selinium> Enendar, yep
[12:54] <pippijn> yes Enendar
[12:55] <Seveas> Kyral, what is?
[12:55] <sorush20> guys I want to be able to Install the ImageJ program from here http://rsb.info.nih.gov/ij/download.html, there are a few options. but non that can be used with linux which already has the JRE, what can I use..
[12:55] <pippijn> flash-nonfree
[12:55] <Kyral> I assume that the logic operators work in IP Tables
[12:55] <Kyral> Seveas, I opened a terminal and tried to SSH into myself :P
[12:55] <Seveas> hehe :)
[12:55] <pippijn> Seveas: do you know where they are located?
[12:55] <Seveas> flash-nonfree is probably in multiverse
[12:55] <WebLOCH> Anyone here fancy addressing a hardware problem ?
[12:56] <Kyral> oh wait..
[12:56] <sorush20> WebLock ask
[12:56] <pippijn> hrm no I mean libcurl3 breezy version
[12:56] <Kyral> I shut down the Daemon
[12:56] <Kyral> it wasn't even running
[12:56] <persia> WebLOCH: What sort of hardware problem?
[12:56] <WebLOCH> i have the logitech dinovo media desktop 2 and Ive upgraded from Hoary to Breezy
[12:56] <WebLOCH> And during the change over I appear to have lost support
[12:56] <erUSUL> sorush20: is the first one "JAR File (Upgrade or Unix)"
[12:56] <WebLOCH> If I load the console I can type on the keyboard
[12:56] <pippijn> I am now just downloading the package lists from breezy
[12:56] <pippijn> with apt
[12:56] <WebLOCH> but when I get to the login screen I cannot
[12:56] <sorush20> erUSUL: thanks..
[12:57] <Kyral> Okay
[12:57] <Kyral> logging from LocalHost works :D
[12:57] <persia> WebLOCH: That's not a hardware problem.  Many people reported that they needed to edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf when upgrading (although I thought that was fixed).  Check to make sure you are using the kbd driver in the appropriate InputSection.
[12:58] <spazz> is there any way to search a drive like my ipod?
[12:58] <WebLOCH> persia: I dont suppose you have any source material for me to read on that. Im still a *nixnovice
[12:58] <Seveas> WebLOCH, sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[12:59] <persia> WebLOCH: Ummm..   man xorg.conf is fairly unfreindly.  If you don't have a special setup, you could try just running sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg, which ought to fix it.
[12:59] <Answer> Question: Drivers for ATI Radeon Mobility M7 ?   Device managers recognizes the hardware but some programs do not
[12:59] <WebLOCH> Okay
[12:59] <WebLOCH> Would that work from Recovery
[12:59] <WebLOCH> Or do I need to log into an X session
[12:59] <persia> WebLOCH: It should.  It won't work very nicely under X.
[12:59] <spazz> is there any way to run a search on a drive like my ipod?
[12:59] <WebLOCH> okay
[01:00] <erUSUL> !tell Answer about ati
[01:00] <Enendar> umm... where is this macromedia flash for linux (i'm not talking about the player)
[01:00] <Creart> hi all, when downloading a file, do i choose the GTK or the MOTIF version??
[01:00] <mjr> Creart, GTK
[01:00] <Creart> may i ask why?
[01:01] <erUSUL>  there is not Enendar maybe you can run it whith wine
[01:01] <thoreauputic> Creart: because motif is ancient and ugly :)
[01:01] <WebLOCH> thanks guys
[01:01] <WebLOCH> im off to try this ouit
[01:01] <WebLOCH> out **
[01:01] <Creart> fair enough
[01:01] <Pyf> im trying to install id3lib and it says to "1. Configure the source code by typing:
[01:01] <Pyf>         % sh ./configure"  when i do that in terminal it says.... 1. Configure the source code by typing:
[01:01] <Pyf>         % sh ./configure
[01:01] <Creart> ;)
[01:01] <Enendar> ::sigh:: ok...
[01:01] <mjr> Creart, GTK is a modern toolkit used by Gnome and therefore Ubuntu by default, MOTIF is an aged toolkit of which no free version was ever released, and it's quickly sinking into the sands of time
[01:02] <Seveas> mjr, there's openmotif :)
[01:02] <mjr> it wasn't free
[01:02] <apokryphos> Pyf: always read the topic before speaking in a chan. =)
[01:02] <erUSUL> mjr: now it is
[01:02] <Creart> K, thx
[01:02] <mjr> oh, is it?
[01:02] <mjr> I've apparently missed something
[01:02] <Seveas> :)
[01:02] <Seveas> it still sucks though
[01:02] <mjr> luckily something not too critical, 'cause, you know, it's Motif
[01:02] <thoreauputic> mjr: not much really ;)
[01:03] <persia> Pyf: Is there a reason you don't want to use the id3lib provided by the repositories?
[01:03] <Pyf> persia, i dont seem able to apt-get it
[01:03] <Pyf> apokryphos, sorry... it wasnt supposed to be a long paste, but coz im an idiot i pasted the same thing twice ;(
[01:03] <mjr> hmh, the openmotif license does seem to restrict its use to FOSS operating systems
[01:03] <sorush20> how do I run a JAR file
[01:03] <mjr> -> non-free
[01:04] <apokryphos> Pyf: that's ok; no major harm done. :)
[01:04] <Seveas> sorush20, java -jar filename.jar
[01:04] <persia> Pyf: `aptitude search id3` will return a list of all the id3 packages available.  One of these will be libid3-version, which is the one you want to install.
[01:05] <Pyf> persia, cheers i need the version number i want
[01:05] <persia> Pyf: It depends on whether you are running Hoary or Breezy,  Select the one with only a version number after the hyphen for best results.
[01:06] <Pyf> apokryphos, on that note of me pasting twice, how come if i copy something with ctrl c, the first thing it copies fine, then it wont copy anything else with ctrl c....
[01:06] <Pyf> persia, yeah the -dev one prolly aint for me ;)
[01:06] <mjr> erUSUL, well, not according to the OSI guidelines
[01:06] <thoreauputic> Pyf: is there a particular app you need it for? If the app is in the repos apt willget the lib for you....
[01:06] <Kyral> Oh Seveas, my IPTables rule only blocks SSH coming from eth0
[01:06] <spazz> how do i search a drive?
[01:07] <erUSUL> mjr: note the *somehow*
[01:07] <spazz> like an ipod for all .mp3 files?
[01:07] <erUSUL> spazz: where is the ipod mounted
[01:07] <Seveas> spacey, find /mountpoint/of/ipod -name '*.mp3'
[01:07] <erUSUL> ?
[01:07] <Seveas> spazz*
[01:07] <apokryphos> Pyf: in where exactly?
[01:08] <jorge_> hey guys
[01:08] <Pyf> apokryphos,  xchat or terminal or anything in fact
[01:08] <apokryphos> Pyf: terminal doesn't use Ctrl+C for copy; not sure of X-chat
[01:08] <erUSUL> spazz: find /mounted/ipod -name '*.mp3'
[01:08] <blank> hey guys
[01:08] <spazz> uuh
[01:08] <spazz> i just plugged it in
[01:08] <blank> I just installed ubuntu 5.10
[01:08] <apokryphos> Pyf: anything else it should work in... try gedit or whatever.
[01:08] <spazz> and box with the folders in it came up
[01:08] <apokryphos> hi blank
[01:08] <blank> and I wanna su to root, but during installation I dont remember it asking me for root password, and now I can't su to root
[01:08] <blank> hello apokryphos
[01:09] <apokryphos> ubotu: tell blank about root
[01:09] <Seveas> spazz, find /media -name '*.mp3'
[01:09] <spazz> where do i type that now?
[01:09] <mrchicago> gnome settings deamon has quit
[01:09] <mrchicago> what does that mean
[01:09] <blank> thanks apokryphos, but then how may I issue the dpkg command
[01:09] <Seveas> spazz, in a terminal
[01:09] <spazz> ah
[01:09] <apokryphos> blank: did you check the link from ubotu?
[01:09] <sorush20> guys I keep getting this error when I try to run the file. java.lang.ExceptionInInitializerError
[01:09] <sorush20>    at java.lang.Class.initialize (Class.java:159)
[01:09] <sorush20>    at ij.ImageJ.main (ImageJ.java:417)
[01:09] <sorush20>    at java.lang.VirtualMachine.invokeMain (VirtualMachine.java)
[01:09] <sorush20>    at java.lang.VirtualMachine.main (VirtualMachine.java:92)
[01:09] <blank> oh, sorry
[01:10] <thoreauputic> mrchicago: I guess it means it stopped running :)
[01:10] <sorush20> Caused by: java.lang.StringIndexOutOfBoundsException
[01:10] <sorush20>    at java.lang.String.substring (String.java:1018)
[01:10] <mrchicago> so how do i restart it
[01:10] <apokryphos> blank: Ubuntu uses sudo :)
[01:10] <mrchicago> so ill quit getting the error
[01:10] <Seveas> grmpf...
[01:10] <wim> hmm if i open my firefox, it always close after a short time :s
[01:10] <Seveas> &yarr;
[01:10] <thoreauputic> mrchicago: try typing gnome-settings-daemon & in a terminal
[01:11] <janed> Where do i find a list of updatable packages for ubuntu? (Just installed)
[01:11] <thoreauputic> mrchicago: note the &
[01:11] <blank> so instead of su root, sudo root ?
[01:11] <blank> and use my password?
[01:11] <Seveas> sudo -i
[01:11] <thoreauputic> blank: no
[01:11] <blank> oh, okay
[01:11] <Seveas> but better: don't be root all the time
[01:11] <blank> yes I know, thanks
[01:11] <Seveas> use sudo for simple commands
[01:11] <blank> but I'm just trying to issue dpkg
[01:11] <blank> how may I do that, for example
[01:11] <Seveas> like: sudo dpkg
[01:11] <blank> oh, okay, that's it?
[01:12] <thoreauputic> blank: sudo <command>
[01:12] <Seveas> well, the arguments to dpkg are missing ;(
[01:12] <blank> and that would be all?
[01:12] <Seveas> ;)
[01:12] <blank> well yes of course :P
[01:12] <apokryphos> blank: yes. Any commands you want to run as root, just prefix them with sudo
[01:12] <Seveas> that's all
[01:12] <blank> okay, thanks guys
[01:12] <thoreauputic> blank: the pass it wants is *your* password
[01:12] <jediborger> I have WG111t wireless network usb card and I have ndiswrapper 1.2 installed and the driver saying "driver present, hardware present" but it doesn't show up under the networking program can anyone help me?
[01:12] <erUSUL> wim: run it from terminal maybe you can get messages of why it crashes
[01:12] <blank> yes I read that, thanks thoreauputic
[01:12] <thoreauputic> blank: OK :)
[01:12] <dabaR> hi
[01:13] <blank> guys, is it possible to run fluxbox in ubuntu?  I know it's a dumb question but since they made a whole new distro for KDE ubuntu, I'm guessing it'd cause conflicts?
[01:13] <apokryphos> hi dabaR
[01:13] <janed> Any website giving any tutorial for the sudo apt-get commands?
[01:13] <apokryphos> blank: indeed, you just need to install it
[01:13] <thoreauputic> blank: I run flux here all the time
[01:13] <blank> okay, thanks
[01:13] <blank> thanks guys
[01:13] <Seveas> blank, you can have kde, gnome, fluxbox and whatnot installed at the same time
[01:13] <Seveas> kubuntu is not another distro
[01:13] <blank> thanks seveas, hey I remember you seveas! :)
[01:13] <apokryphos> blank: and thoreauputic is our regular fluxbox aficionado :P
[01:14] <blank> ooo cool :D
[01:14] <thoreauputic> heh
[01:14] <blank> hey thoreauputic, can I simply do sudo apt-get <link to fluxbox file online> and it'll install it for me?
[01:14] <Pyf> janed, www.ubuntuguide.org i found useful
[01:14] <thoreauputic> blank: and apokryphos is the resident KDE fanboy ;)
[01:14] <Seveas> Pyf, ubuntuguide is bad
[01:14] <sorush20> 1
[01:14] <blank> haha, kay
[01:14] <janed> Thanks mate ;)
[01:14] <Pyf> janed, maybe im wrong :)
[01:14] <thoreauputic> blank: sudo apt-get install fluxbox
[01:14] <Seveas> 2
[01:15] <apokryphos> 3
[01:15] <Seveas> 5
[01:15] <blank> oh seiously?
[01:15] <jediborger> I have WG111t wireless network usb card and I have ndiswrapper 1.2 installed and the driver saying "driver present, hardware present" but it doesn't show up under System-Administration-Networking. Can anyone help me?
[01:15] <apokryphos> Seveas: you forgot to say fizz :D
[01:15] <Seveas> :p 
[01:16] <slack7384> Seveas: Huh?
[01:16] <sorush20> I was just testing that I was unbaned.. thank you very much.. I'm just happy to see Seveas is so heartless..
[01:16] <slack7384> Seveas: ASCII Code! :P
[01:16] <Pyf> ive got a python script how would i run it?
[01:16] <erUSUL> jediborger: run ifconfig -a
[01:16] <slack7384> Pyf: python yourscript.py
[01:16] <Seveas> sorush20, calling people heartless is a great way to get a ban
[01:16] <jediborger> what does that do?
[01:17] <apokryphos> sorush20: hardly heartless; it should be common practice to read the /topic before speaking in a chan.
[01:17] <erUSUL> show the (net) interfaces you have in your system
[01:17] <jediborger> ok hold let me try it
[01:17] <todd__> terminal says "no command" for alsaconf but i have alsa-utils installed.  tried reinstalling...what could be the prob?
[01:17] <thoreauputic> todd__: Ubuntu has no alsaconf
[01:18] <mrchicago> has anyone read the m$ site
[01:18] <mrchicago> on linux
[01:18] <blank> thoreauputic, sorry for pm flooding you, heh, copied way too much
[01:18] <thoreauputic> blank: ?
[01:18] <mrchicago> ms says something about legal problems with linux
[01:18] <todd__> ohh, heh.
[01:18] <blank> didn I pm you thoreauputic?
[01:18] <mrchicago> shrugs
[01:18] <blank> it says something about
[01:18] <Seveas> mrchicago, FUD
[01:18] <sorush20> you guys are so right but it just feels like Open Source world giving you a kick in the belly.. just for pasting by mistake into a channel.
[01:18] <blank> fluxbox is already the newest version.
[01:18] <thoreauputic> blank: not thatI can see...
[01:18] <mrchicago> microsoft is acting desperate
[01:18] <blank> oh lol
[01:18] <slack7384> mrchicago: They're probably talking about the sco case again :roll:
[01:19] <jediborger> it shows eth0, lo, and sit0 now wlan0
[01:19] <thoreauputic> blank: then you have it installed, clearly
[01:19] <blank> thoreauputic: how can I change window managers
[01:19] <mrchicago> probably
[01:19] <apokryphos> sorush20: you pasted by mistake? Didn't look like it :P
[01:19] <blank> oh, lol, sorry
[01:19] <jediborger> no wlan0 or ath0
[01:19] <mrchicago> whats sco worth now 10 cents
[01:19] <Seveas> blank logout and pick one when you login
[01:19] <blank> will I be able to set it as default?
[01:19] <thoreauputic> blank: log out, choose flucnox from the sessions list
[01:19] <apokryphos> yup
[01:19] <Seveas> blank, it will ask whether you want that :)
[01:19] <Pyf> blank, yep
[01:19] <blank> okay, thanks guys, thanks a lot! :D
[01:19] <sorush20> guys I keep getting this error when I try to run the file. java.lang.ExceptionInInitializerError
[01:19] <mrchicago> how can i get dvdstyler to work
[01:19] <dabaR> blank: $20
[01:20] <mrchicago> lol
[01:20] <blank> by the way, go check out www.codeblank.net sometime, it's geared towards programmers
[01:20] <mrchicago> cool
[01:20] <blank> *takes out gum, power ranger action figure, and a sticker of 'cool' out of his pocket'
[01:20] <mrchicago> if i could get sdl programming code to work in unbuntu id be happy
[01:20] <Seveas> blank, please don't spam in here...
[01:20] <blank> it's got a syntax highlighter bbcode tags for tons of languages, okay fine i'll shut up lol
[01:21] <erUSUL> jediborger: so you dont have wlan nor ath0 nor ra0 or whatever...  are you sure your card is usable in linux?
[01:21] <blank> c ya guys thanks
[01:21] <dabaR> later
[01:21] <blank> c ya seveas
[01:21] <mrchicago> wished the ubuntu guys would just add it to synapsist
[01:21] <Seveas> bye
[01:21] <blank> c ya buds
[01:21] <WebLOCH> Hello
[01:21] <Seveas> mrchicago, libsdl$someversion-dev
[01:21] <jediborger> I don't know if it is but I got ndiswrapper to reconize it
[01:21] <apokryphos> hi WebLOCH
[01:22] <WebLOCH> I was here a little while ago with a problem with my keyboard and mouse setup
[01:22] <WebLOCH> I was offered some advice but it didnt work
[01:22] <WebLOCH> I cant remember who offered the advice tho
[01:22] <WebLOCH> Persia I think
[01:22] <WebLOCH> but if anyone can help I would be greatful
[01:22] <jediborger> It's a netgear wg111t soemone else on one of the forums said they got it to work but I can't get a response from them
[01:22] <mrchicago> heh
[01:22] <dabaR> WebLOCH: you need to be specific.
[01:22] <apokryphos> hola nalioth =)
[01:22] <WebLOCH> Obviously, I was just seeing if the original helpers were here
[01:22] <apokryphos> WebLOCH: state the problem and we'll see =)
[01:22] <WebLOCH> I have a logitech dinovo set
[01:23] <WebLOCH> dinovo media desktop 2.0
[01:23] <WebLOCH> and it worked under Hoary fine
[01:23] <erUSUL> jediborger: i hink i can not help you :( sorry
[01:23] <persia> WebLOCH: Did you get any errors when running dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg?
[01:23] <WebLOCH> I upgraded to Breezy and now cannot login haha
[01:23] <WebLOCH> No i did not
[01:23] <jediborger> ok thanks anyways
[01:23] <get_VoIP_here> Is anyone running Asterisk under Breezy?
[01:23] <thoreauputic> johndarkhorse: I preferred "noirequus" ;-)
[01:23] <Seveas> WebLOCH, can you paste your xorg.conf on the pastebin?
[01:23] <johndarkhorse> thoreauputic: and why is that?
[01:24] <thoreauputic> johndarkhorse: lovely mixture of languages ;-)
[01:24] <WebLOCH> Seveas I cant paste anything, I cant get to it :P
[01:24] <Seveas> WebLOCH, is the machine connected to the internet?
[01:24] <WebLOCH> at the moment it is yes
[01:24] <WebLOCH> This is my WinXP install
[01:24] <persia> WebLOCH: Would you mind putting the InputDevice sections of your xorg.conf in the pastebin?  I'm not sure I can help, but I've been digging through docs on InputDevices recently trying to get all my keys to work.
[01:24] <johndarkhorse> thoreauputic: but the nicks ARE related
[01:24] <WebLOCH> Dual boot machine
[01:25] <Seveas> ok, then login at the command line and type the following commands:
[01:25] <thoreauputic> johndarkhorse: *cough* I guess I worked that out
[01:25] <janed> Another question : Is there any web sites with an overview of diffrent packages? I read that there is thousands of programs accessible for ubuntu, but where do i find a complete list?
[01:25] <Seveas> wget http://ubuntulinux.nl/files/pastebin
[01:25] <h0sl3r> I installed Open Office 2, but now the spell checker wont work. How can I fix this?
[01:25] <Seveas> cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf | python pastebin
[01:25] <johndarkhorse> !tell janed about equivalents
[01:25] <erUSUL> janed: you can view them with synaptic
[01:25] <Seveas> janed, packages.ubuntu.com
[01:26] <oddball_> okay my friend, being goofy, picked that he was in the UK during his install... whats the easiest way to fix this?  now ive set X to be US, but it requires me to hit some keys two times to get the character... such as 
[01:26] <sorush20> do I have to install Java common if I need to run a Java program
[01:26] <apokryphos> janed: if you see there, it's searchable too. Access to around 16K packs, yes. :)
[01:26] <oddball_> and console still doesnt do things correctly.  suggestions would be awesome.
[01:26] <Seveas> sorush20, you might need the sun java runtime for some programs
[01:26] <WebLOCH> Okay I shall try that
[01:26] <WebLOCH> be back soon
[01:26] <janed> Okays :) Thanks, so packages.ubuntu.com then
[01:27] <apokryphos> yup
[01:27] <Seveas> oddball_, system->preferences->keyboard
[01:27] <Seveas> or run base-config again
[01:27] <blank> man, I got some error loading shared library
[01:27] <oddball_> Seveas: that only fixes things in X... not console
[01:27] <thoreauputic> oddball_: not sure, but I think if you rerun sudo base-config that might do it for you
[01:27] <blank> is there a way to uninstall fluxbox
[01:27] <oddball_> Seveas: k ill try base-config
[01:27] <Seveas> blank, paste the error on the pastebin
[01:27] <blank> so that I could reinstall it after
[01:27] <oddball_> blank sudo aptitude remove fluxbox
[01:27] <h0sl3r> I installed Open Office 2, but now the spell checker wont work. How can I fix this?
[01:27] <blank> thanks
[01:27] <Seveas> blank, sudo aptitude purge fluxbox
[01:27] <blank> purge or remove
[01:28] <oddball_> purge removes config files too
[01:28] <oddball_> its a more complete removal i suppose.
[01:28] <blank> thanks
[01:29] <blank> thoreauputic:  what was that command again, sudo apt-get install fluxbox
[01:29] <thoreauputic> blank: did you get fluxbox taking forever to load?
[01:29] <dabaR> Seveas: cann oddball_ try dpkg-reconfigure base-install?
[01:29] <blank> nope, instead I got some error right after logging in
[01:29] <blank> thoreauputic:  what was that command again, sudo apt-get install fluxbox
[01:29] <thoreauputic> blank: yes, but that's unlikely to fix the problem
[01:29] <blank> I'm just gonna reinstall
[01:29] <blank> cause at first I installed from debian package
[01:29] <blank> and it might've been that
[01:29] <blank> so now I'm gonna install using aptget
[01:29] <thoreauputic> blank: yes, well, the hoary version offlux has some issues
[01:30] <blank> no wonder, I'm breezy badger
[01:30] <apokryphos> blank: note that apt-get is the backend of Synaptic, the Ubuntu Package Manager. You can always use that for a pretty way of removing/adding packages
[01:30] <thoreauputic> blank: oh - don't use debian packages
[01:30] <blank> so I'm gonna use apt-get now right?
[01:30] <blank> lol exactly, my fault, sorry, I thought debian package would be easier
[01:30] <hondje> I'm trying to file a bug in breezy, but the package isn't listed in bugzilla
[01:30] <thoreauputic> blank: check what version breezy has
[01:30] <blank> so I should try apt-get now?
[01:30] <blank> synaptic didn't have fluxbox, I searched for it
[01:31] <thoreauputic> blank: apt-cache policy fluxbox - what version is it?
[01:31] <apokryphos> blank: it sure does, if apt does
[01:31] <hondje> oh, typo...ignore me
[01:31] <apokryphos> blank: as I said, Synaptic is a GUI front-end to apt
[01:31] <thoreauputic> blank: it's in universe
[01:31] <janed> Well, one more question ;) : There is diffrent package categories listed. << warty | hoary | hoary-backports | breezy >> Now is this based on diffrent versions of ubuntu, or, why are they categorized like this? (I ask in pure n00bish spirit ;)
[01:31] <Seveas> hondje, don't we always ignore you :)
[01:31] <gpled> does anyone know of a nice texted editor for writing c and assembly? something that uses color text.  would be nice to have mouse overs too.
[01:31] <blank> universe?
[01:31] <hondje> Seveas: If you're smart, yes :)
[01:31] <thoreauputic> !tell blank about repos
[01:32] <Seveas> janed, different versions indeed :)
[01:32] <blank> hey guys, what's the paste bin
[01:32] <whyameye> I see that built-in there is something called "sticky notes" for Gnome. How do I run this?
[01:32] <apokryphos> janed: warty, hoary, breezy are the different versions
[01:32] <thoreauputic> !paste
[01:32] <ubotu> I guess paste is please use http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/ or #flood to paste large amounts of text
[01:32] <Seveas> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl <= pastebin
[01:32] <persia> janed: They are different versions of Ubuntu.  Today Hoary is the most recently released.  Breezy is expected 13th October.
[01:32] <h0sl3r> I installed Open Office 2, but now the spell checker wont work. How can I fix this?
[01:32] <blank> I know, but the universe repository?
[01:32] <apokryphos> janed: hoary-backports is, as it suggests, backports to hoary.
[01:32] <apokryphos> ubotu: tell blank about repositories
[01:32] <Seveas> h0sl3r, by running 1.1.x again
[01:32] <thoreauputic> blank: ubotu sent you an URL
[01:32] <blank> I have breezy badger
[01:32] <Seveas> 2.0 spellcheck on hoary is not functional
[01:32] <apokryphos> blank: established :)
[01:32] <blank> established?
[01:32] <thoreauputic> blank: the method is the same
[01:32] <janed> :) Thanks again, it probably wont be my last question lol
[01:33] <blank> yes, I'm lost but, yeah?
[01:33] <apokryphos> blank: as in, yup, we've established that 8)
[01:33] <thoreauputic> blank: except for the word "breezy"
[01:33] <blank> oh okay
[01:33] <h0sl3r> Seveas, oo2 is much faster. Are you sure there is no other solution?
[01:33] <blank> uh...okay
[01:33] <blank> yeah
[01:33] <apokryphos> janed: no problem; we're here to help :)
[01:33] <blank> so should I use apt get method?
[01:33] <blank> cuase before I used debian package remember, so it might've been taht that cause the problem
[01:33] <thoreauputic> blank: as we've said, apt or synaptic
[01:33] <apokryphos> blank: once again, apt is a backend. Synaptic/apt can both be used.
[01:33] <pakaloca> I
[01:33] <blank> yeah I know, but apt-get seems to be easier for this
[01:34] <thoreauputic> blank: whatever you prefer
[01:34] <apokryphos> blank: sure, go for it then. :)
[01:34] <Seveas> !soureces
[01:34] <ubotu> Seveas: Bugger all, i dunno
[01:34] <apokryphos> whatever floats your boat
[01:34] <Seveas> !sources
[01:34] <ubotu> sources are at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto A list of official repositories can be found at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969
[01:34] <blank> okay, the universe repository is already in synaptic right, or do I have to add it
[01:34] <thoreauputic> ;)
[01:34] <Seveas> ubotu, no sources are at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto A list of official repositories can be found at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969 (Hoary) or http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2325 (Breezy)
[01:34] <ubotu> okay, Seveas
[01:34] <WebLOCH> Hey guys
[01:35] <apokryphos> thoreauputic: you evil you
[01:35] <thoreauputic> blank: *read* the URL ubotu sent you
[01:35] <WebLOCH> Back again
[01:35] <blank> can't find fluxbox in synaptic, you guys know what repositor I can find it in
[01:35] <blank> okay
[01:35] <daaku> any powerbook users? i'm hoping someone has a keymap & xkb file for this thing (en_US)!
[01:35] <WebLOCH> One of the commands you gave me didnt work
[01:35] <apokryphos> blank: it's in Universe, as we said.
[01:35] <Seveas> WebLOCH, which one and what was the error?
[01:35] <WebLOCH> wget blah
[01:35] <WebLOCH> http 404
[01:35] <Seveas> then you mistyped the url
[01:36] <apokryphos> blank: put this in your /etc/apt/sources.list:  deb http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu breezy main restricted universe multiverse
[01:36] <WebLOCH> the link you gave me was   http://ubuntulinux.nl/pastebin
[01:36] <thoreauputic> blank: review the last half hour and see how many times you find the same information :)
[01:36] <Seveas> WebLOCH, no
[01:36] <Seveas> http://ubuntulinux.nl/files/pastebin
[01:36] <apokryphos> blank: replace gb with your local mirror
[01:36] <dabaR> 404-page not found/file not found
[01:36] <WebLOCH> hmmm
[01:36] <WebLOCH> check the log im pretty sure you omitted the files bit
[01:36] <Seveas> *checking*
[01:36] <blank> man this is all too confusing, yeah I know you guys have said the same things over again it's just that since you're all saying it at once it's kinda hard to understand lol, I'll read, thanks guys
 wget http://ubuntulinux.nl/files/pastebin
[01:36] <WebLOCH> hmm
[01:36] <Seveas> So there :)
[01:37] <WebLOCH> excuse my idiocy
[01:37] <apokryphos> blank: go for the last instruction there
[01:37] <waterbaby999> right im off to sleepies now
[01:37] <waterbaby999> gnite everyone :)
[01:37] <Seveas> 'night
[01:37] <dabaR> cya
[01:37] <apokryphos> blank: add that to your sources.list. Then: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install fluxbox
[01:37] <dabaR> apokryphos: the last instruction being the hoary repos on pastebin?
[01:37] <locomorto> /quit
[01:37] <locomorto> /part #ubuntu ermm
[01:38] <apokryphos> dabaR: nope; my last instruction, that is.
[01:38] <dabaR> ok, he is using breezy I think
[01:38] <petersen> hi, can somebody help me? i have problems with installing xserver
[01:38] <persia> petersen: What sort of problem?
[01:38] <whyameye> isn't there a stickies applet built into Gnome? How do I use it?
[01:39] <thoreauputic> Seveas: hah - a nice way to help :)
[01:39] <petersen> dont know how to install it
[01:39] <Seveas> couldn't resist the temptation :)
[01:39] <dabaR> whyameye: right click on the panel. add to panel, select stickies
[01:39] <thoreauputic> heheh
[01:39] <dabaR> petersen: how did you install ubuntu?
[01:39] <petersen> from the cd
[01:39] <whyameye> dabaR: thanks! got it!
[01:39] <sorush20> Could someone take a look at this error I don't know how to fix it.. I have placed the  .class plugin file in the plugin folder as instructed and I keep getting this error.. http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2326
[01:40] <dabaR> petersen: did you choose default install? or server?
[01:40] <blank> guys thanks I wub you!
[01:40] <petersen> first i tried default but hangs up, now "server"
[01:40] <blank> I think it's installed
[01:40] <dabaR> sorush20: context...
[01:40] <Seveas> sorush20, which version of java did you install?
[01:40] <blank> I'm gonna restart now and check :D
[01:40] <dabaR> petersen: sudo aptitude install ubuntu-desktop
[01:40] <Seveas> dabaR, context is a program failing to launch :)
[01:40] <sorush20> dabaR, Seveas I used 1.0.5
[01:41] <Seveas> 1.0.5 ..?
[01:41] <dabaR> a program, eh? *the* program?
[01:41] <dabaR> something he wrote?
[01:41] <petersen> ok running now
[01:41] <persia> sorush20: It looks like you have a StringOutOfBounds error on line 50 of IJ,java.  You might want to trap the exception, and take a look at the details in the Exception object.
[01:41] <mindframe> hrmm having problems with wifi now that i've upgraded to breezy
[01:41] <erUSUL> sorush20: you are refering to 1.5.x for sure
[01:41] <Seveas> sorush20, what's the output of 'java -version'
[01:41] <Seveas> paste it on the bin or in a private chat please
[01:42] <petersen> does it install xserver and all needet? nvidia driver too?
[01:42] <Seveas> petersen, yes
[01:42] <petersen> thx
[01:42] <Enendar> does anyone have comments about enlightenment?
[01:42] <dabaR> good luck.
[01:42] <NegativePlazma> has anyone successfully gotten mac on linux installed and working?
[01:42] <avatar__> hello!
[01:42] <dabaR> Enendar: searched the forums? ubuntuforums.org
[01:42] <apokryphos> Enendar: will never be released, but has some cool things. Worth playing about with.
[01:43] <thoreauputic> Enendar: enlightenment is a good goal to strive towards
[01:43] <Seveas> Enendar, none other than that I think it sucks :)
[01:43] <apokryphos> Enendar: if you want to install, /msg ubotu enlightenment
[01:43] <sorush20> java -version
[01:43] <Seveas> thoreauputic, rofl (almost physically rofl)
[01:43] <oddball_> !w32codecs
[01:43] <ubotu> w32codecs is a set of codecs for popular audio/video formats (wmv etc). Install w32codecs from the hoary-extras repository. AMD64? See http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=54399 Legal issues: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[01:43] <dabaR> sorush20: in a terminal
[01:43] <WebLOCH> Back again
[01:43] <thoreauputic> apokryphos: does ubotu have words of wisdom?
[01:43] <NegativePlazma> !mol
[01:43] <ubotu> I guess mol is See https://wiki.ubuntu.com//MacOnLinuxHowto for help
[01:43] <apokryphos> Seveas: it really does have a few cool things :D
[01:43] <apokryphos> thoreauputic: sometimes the most sane speaker in #ubuntu - yes 8)
[01:43] <WebLOCH> Seveas I am beginning to think that i am retarded
[01:43] <petersen> huh, he dooing much downloads now, how much pakets will he download?
[01:44] <thoreauputic> apokryphos: :D
[01:44] <locomorto> you can also get w32codecs for the marrilat repo
[01:44] <Seveas> WebLOCH, don't :)
[01:44] <erUSUL> Seveas: what is really worth of e17 are the libraries that rasterman writtes
[01:44] <dabaR> WebLOCH: stop that, you are fine, jsut need some guidance.
[01:44] <locomorto> thats how i get it on breezy
[01:44] <johndarkhorse> locomorto: please dont recommend marillat
[01:44] <WebLOCH> Seveas I tried the commands you gave
[01:44] <sorush20> I keep getting this return on the java -verison http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2327
[01:44] <WebLOCH> And apparently I have written to the pastebin
[01:44] <avatar__> people... i need to recompile my kernel without the EFi partition support...
[01:44] <avatar__> Any easy howto?
[01:44] <WebLOCH> But it gave an error at the same time :P
[01:44] <gigaclon> janed, just browse synaptic
[01:44] <avatar__> or precompiled without EFI?
[01:44] <johndarkhorse> locomorto: marillat will break an ubuntu box
[01:44] <WebLOCH> Because there is no such dir as /etc/x11
[01:44] <apokryphos> Older enlightenments did indeed suck completely oO
[01:44] <Seveas> sorush20, eeeek :/ that's a bad java
[01:45] <Seveas> try installing the sun java JRE
[01:45] <johndarkhorse> locomorto: www.mplayerhq.hu on the downloads page is where you get w32codecs
[01:45] <locomorto> johndarkhorse: in what way, and how would you get it on breezy?
[01:45] <mindframe> Seveas, does breezy install ipv6?  the MAC address of my pcmcia wifi card looks crazy now that i've upgraded.
[01:45] <NegativePlazma> !beer
[01:45] <ubotu> NegativePlazma: Syntax error in line 1
[01:45] <Seveas> WebLOCH, then you did not install a GUI environment :)
[01:45] <NegativePlazma> bahahaha
[01:45] <blank> thanks guys, I'm in fluxbox now
[01:45] <NegativePlazma> mmm fluxbox goodness
[01:45] <sorush20> is there an IRC that integrates Paste bin
[01:45] <dabaR> $20 blank, I told you.
[01:45] <Seveas> mindframe, yes it does isntall ipv6
[01:45] <NegativePlazma> sorush20, #flood
[01:46] <NegativePlazma> !beer
[01:46] <ubotu> I don't know, NegativePlazma
[01:46] <avatar__> and about ati radeon in ubuntu?
[01:46] <WebLOCH> Seveas - I used the Breezy CD to upgrade from Hoary
[01:46] <Seveas> NegativePlazma, don't play with the bot
[01:46] <WebLOCH> It is definately graphical
[01:46] <NegativePlazma> Senjin,  sorry
[01:46] <NegativePlazma> err
[01:46] <NegativePlazma> Seveas, sorry
[01:46] <blank> by the way, what file manager can I use for fluxbox
[01:46] <Seveas> WebLOCH, something went very wrong then
[01:46] <blank> thoreauputic, you have a favorite?
[01:46] <johndarkhorse> blank: any of them
[01:46] <locomorto> blank: rox
[01:46] <dabaR> blank: any.
[01:46] <persia> WebLOCH: Ummm...  You really should have an /etc/X11 if you have any X environment.  You spoke earlier of a "login screen".  Can you describe that?
[01:46] <locomorto> blank: nautilus is still pretty lightweight as well
[01:46] <WebLOCH> Seveas I assume the login screen is part of the X
[01:46] <thoreauputic> blank: what does  fluxbox -version  say ? ( I'm curious what version is in breezy)
[01:46] <WebLOCH> yeah
[01:47] <mindframe> hrmm how can i get rid of it, or let my wifi card use its ipv4 mac?
[01:47] <WebLOCH> Console loads
[01:47] <dabaR> WebLOCH: it is separate.
[01:47] <thoreauputic> blank: I like rox-filer
[01:47] <WebLOCH> Presents some information
[01:47] <apokryphos> Errrm, java is in Breezy Multiverse? news to me.
[01:47] <locomorto> blank: you'll want to use a gtk one though (ie not a qt app)
[01:47] <oddball_>  okay is w32codecs still only available from nerim?
[01:47] <WebLOCH> then loads the slightly graphical intro, which shows modules loading etc
[01:47] <locomorto> apokryphos: it is
[01:47] <dabaR> oddball_: no. did you google?
[01:47] <WebLOCH> then a graphical login screen appears
[01:47] <blank> so rox-filer?
[01:47] <blank> or nautilus
[01:47] <WebLOCH> prompting for user name and password
[01:47] <oddball_> dabaR: i meant a deb package of it.
[01:47] <locomorto> apokryphos: I'm using it right now
[01:47] <apokryphos> locomorto: indeed, so I see.
[01:47] <locomorto> apokryphos: its only 1.4 though
[01:47] <locomorto> :(
[01:48] <thoreauputic> blank: I recommend rox
[01:48] <blank> you guys like rox filer or nautilus
[01:48] <blank> rox, okay
[01:48] <apokryphos> locomorto: it was removed from hoary-extras
[01:48] <persia> WebLOCH: It really shouldn't be able to get that far without /etc/X11.
[01:48] <dabaR> I never use rox.
[01:48] <WebLOCH> I would agree
[01:48] <WebLOCH> But the command failed
[01:48] <WebLOCH> so then I tried navigating manually
[01:48] <dabaR> WebLOCH: keep it in one message. easier to read, and get your point.
[01:48] <WebLOCH> Sorry dabaR, it is a poor habit
[01:48] <Seveas> apokryphos, blackdown java is in multiverse now
[01:49] <dabaR> WebLOCH: dont be sorry to me, your point will be lost.
[01:49] <Seveas> WebLOCH, /etc/X11 is /etc/ Capital X - One - One
[01:49] <Seveas> maybe you misspeeled it
[01:49] <apokryphos> Seveas: hoary too?
[01:49] <WebLOCH> Its possible but then I tried
[01:49] <WebLOCH> ls | grep x
[01:49] <WebLOCH> to see if it would show up
[01:49] <dabaR> X
[01:49] <Seveas> apokryphos, no, just breezy
[01:49] <WebLOCH> and did not
[01:49] <apokryphos> Seveas: I'm wondering how/why it was forced out of -extras
[01:50] <persia> WebLOCH: You'd need either ls | grep X or ls | grep -i x.  Try again please.
[01:50] <Seveas> apokryphos, ENOF*INGCLUE
[01:50] <thoreauputic> apokryphos: because distributing sun java is illegal
[01:50] <thoreauputic> apparently
[01:50] <Seveas> it is
[01:51] <locomorto> Did they get permission for breezy?
[01:51] <WebLOCH> okay well lets give it a go
[01:51] <WebLOCH> thanks for your patience
[01:51] <sorush20> do i have to remove SableVM version 1.1.8
[01:51] <thoreauputic> locomorto: no, the blackdown java is different
[01:51] <apokryphos> locomorto: it's blackdown that's in
[01:51] <blank> wtf
[01:51] <blank> I ran nautilus
[01:51] <locomorto> ok
[01:51] <Seveas> locomorto, blackdown isn't sun...
[01:51] <prolsd> urm, guys -- when i try to install a theme (.tar.gz) in ubuntu it says that it's an inappropriate file format
[01:51] <get_VoIP_here> Its not too fifficult to download from Sun and install the binary
[01:51] <blank> and now I dont have the fluxbox menu or anything
[01:51] <dabaR> blank: :P background
[01:51] <FR500> hello
[01:51] <dabaR> open a terminal, and killall nautilus
[01:52] <blank> kay
[01:52] <thoreauputic> blank: and now you can't get rid of the desktop, right?
[01:52] <blank> cept I cant open terminal
[01:52] <dabaR> blank: nautilus --no-desktop
[01:52] <blank> yeah, yeah!
[01:52] <dabaR> go into console
[01:52] <blank> but lol..I cant access console
[01:52] <dabaR> why?
[01:52] <thoreauputic> blank: ctrl-alt-F1, login killall nautilus
[01:52] <blank> cant acess anything
[01:52] <apokryphos> Seveas: how much bandwidth does your repo use roughly a month?
[01:52] <thoreauputic> blank: see above
[01:52] <h0sl3r> I live in an area where there are many wireless hotspots. Is there a program where I can view a list of all the different wireless connections? An example would be the kind that windows xp uses.
[01:52] <FR500> i have a problem, i can ping my default gateway, but whtn i do a trace to the outside network, it doesnt respond my pings, any ideas on why?
[01:52] <dabaR> blank: console is alt+ctrl+f(1-6)
[01:52] <Seveas> apokryphos, no idea, I don't measure it
[01:53] <dabaR> FR500: do you have a router?
[01:53] <Seveas> and since the big downloads (acrobat, java) are quite restricted it's not too much
[01:53] <apokryphos> Seveas: is it still not always up? Can't we get you a ~seveas/ storage account?
[01:53] <Seveas> h0sl3r, sudo iwlist scan
[01:53] <FR500> dabaR, yes, but it worked just fine yesterday and about everyday
[01:53] <dabaR> apokryphos: nothing is always up;)
[01:53] <dabaR> FR500: what can you ping, the router?
[01:53] <thoreauputic> blank: lt-F7 to get back to X
[01:54] <dabaR> thoreauputic: ya, taht was important to mention:)
[01:54] <thoreauputic> blank: *alt-F7
[01:54] <FR500> dabaR yes, but when i trace it wont respond
[01:54] <Seveas> apokryphos, if you don't mind being on very thin legal ice...
[01:54] <johndarkhorse> apokryphos: i've offered to host some torrents of the big files
[01:54] <dabaR> routers dont like traceroutes. Can you ping out to google?
[01:55] <johndarkhorse> if seveas only offered the big files as torrents and some of us hosted them
[01:55] <CarlFK> gnome-ppp - any idea how I can see the AT command/responces?
[01:55] <FR500> dabaR, yes, but it worked like an hour ago
[01:55] <locomorto> h0sl3r: kismet
[01:55] <z|bandito> is there a way to forward the entire screen over ssh?
[01:55] <z|bandito> like to be able to see the desktop
[01:55] <whyameye> When Breezy is released, will my machine automatically update to it with apt-get update or apt-get upgrade?
[01:55] <dabaR> FR500: well, then you changed something, or just need to turn everything off, then on. I dunno. What is your issue? that you cant traceroute?
[01:55] <bur[n] er> anyone know how to change the gtk theme by hand??
[01:55] <ab9id> Is anyone else having a problem accessing www.ubuntuguide.org?
[01:56] <bur[n] er> gnome-theme-manager keeps crashing since I loaded a crappy gtk theme
[01:56] <avatar__> cant access ubuntuguide
[01:56] <FR500> dabaR not exactly, long explanation
[01:56] <petersen> when im installing the ubuntu desktop mybe that im getting a blackscreen?
[01:56] <apokryphos> johndarkhorse: just not as convenient as a repo
[01:56] <dabaR> z|bandito: I think VNC is used for that.
[01:56] <locomorto> h0sl3r: theres also kwifimanager but I can't vouch for it being any good (quite the oppisote really)
[01:56] <prolsd> urm, guys -- when i try to install a theme (GNOME -- .tar.gz) in ubuntu it says that it's an inappropriate file format. Anyone care to help out?
[01:56] <Seveas> not being able to access that crap is not a problem imho avatar__ / ab9id
[01:56] <johndarkhorse> ab9id: the ubuntuguide is poison. use wike.ubuntu.com/UserDocumentation
[01:56] <thoreauputic> z|bandito: or better, freenx
[01:56] <dabaR> bur[n] er: looked at the FAQs at art.gnome.org?
[01:56] <persia> Hurrah!  ubuntuguide is dead!
[01:56] <bur[n] er> dabaR: nope :)  good place to start I guess
[01:56] <bur[n] er> thanks
[01:56] <johndarkhorse> wiki.ubuntu.com/UserDocumention even
[01:57] <apokryphos> persia: probably only temporarily
[01:57] <z|bandito> freenx?
[01:57] <dabaR> prolsd: also for you, look at the faqs at art.gnome.org
[01:57] <thoreauputic> !tell z|bandito about freenx
[01:57] <Seveas> !tell me about freenx
[01:57] <z|bandito> thanks
[01:57] <ab9id> alright
[01:57] <thoreauputic> z|bandito: it's areally good remote X system
[01:57] <ab9id> question two.
[01:58] <dabaR> Seveas: msg the bot in private, why dont you ever do that?
[01:58] <WebLOCH> im back guys, ii appear to have managed finally, you were correct again... http://pastebin.ubuntulinux.nl/2328
[01:58] <thoreauputic> Seveas: is the wiki page still accurate for freenx?
[01:58] <ab9id> is there a guide to sharing my local printer (on ubuntu) by ip.  (so other systems can access it similar to a jet direct?)
[01:58] <Seveas> dabaR, actually, I do that a lot :)
[01:58] <dabaR> oki
[01:58] <SPCcrow> !info limewire
[01:58] <Seveas> thoreauputic, yes
[01:58] <prolsd> dabaR, that was exactly what i was looking for.
[01:58] <thoreauputic> Seveas: OK thanks
[01:58] <prolsd> doesn't help when i look for 'documentation' instead of FAQ. gg.
[01:58] <dabaR> prolsd: there is a tutorial?
[01:58] <x[BrB] x> how can i run MP3?
[01:58] <prolsd> thanks.
[01:59] <dabaR> welcome, is there a faq on that?
[01:59] <bur[n] er> dabaR: no luck there... any idea bout chanign the gtk theme by hand?  know what file it is?
[01:59] <thoreauputic> x[BrB] x: /msg ubotu mp3
[01:59] <kevogod> tell x[BrB] x about restricted
[01:59] <kevogod> !tell x[BrB] x about restricted
[01:59] <x[BrB] x> ty
[01:59] <thoreauputic> x[BrB] x: or just  do sudo apt-get install xmms
[01:59] <h0sl3r> Is there a wireless network viewer. One sort of like windows has? I want to be able to view the essid and choose which network to connect to. Anyone know of one?
[01:59] <thoreauputic> and set output plugin to esound
[01:59] <dabaR> prolsd: tell me, is there an faq about installing themes there?
[02:00] <persia> WebLOCH: I don't see anything wrong with that.  It should be collecting keyboard events from the same source used for the virtual consoles.  My apologies that I cannot be of more help.
[02:00] <prolsd> there is.
[02:00] <z|bandito> is it the same screen as displayed on the local VGA display?  or is it a seperate login?
[02:00] <dabaR> bur[n] er: ^
[02:00] <WebLOCH> thanks anyway persia
[02:00] <WebLOCH> Seveas any further advice?
[02:00] <WebLOCH> I might give up and reinstall hoary
[02:00] <SPCcrow> is there a deb package for limewire?
[02:00] <dabaR> SPCcrow: no.
[02:01] <SPCcrow> and whats a good way to install a .deb package?
[02:01] <regeya> never give up, never surrender!
[02:01] <regeya> yikes.
[02:01] <dabaR> SPCcrow: get the bin from their web site.
[02:01] <bur[n] er> dabaR: it's not there, I swear
[02:01] <Da_SWAT> how can I permanently 'save' options like "xset -b". Can I create a separate textfile and link it to my startup somehow?
[02:01] <persia> WebLOCH: If you decide to reinstall, you may do as well to reinstall Breezy Colony 4, as it may just work.
[02:01] <WebLOCH> haha, easier said than done
[02:01] <dabaR> http://art.gnome.org/faq.php#q6
[02:01] <bur[n] er> dabaR: it says how to install them, but not how to change them... without using gnome-theme-manager that is
[02:01] <z|bandito> there is probably a deb from gnutella, which limewire connects to
[02:01] <regeya> that's like the millionth time someone this weekend has asked for a deb of limewire.
[02:01] <z|bandito> from=for
[02:01] <thoreauputic> Da_SWAT: put it in ~/.bashrc
[02:01] <dabaR> bur[n] er: aha.
[02:01] <WebLOCH> Persia, I tried that first of all, it did not work, It stopped after it got to loading the keyboard and mouse :P
[02:01] <regeya> why would there be a deb of such a blatantly commercial piece of software???!?
[02:01] <WebLOCH> So I had to install Hoary and Upgrade
[02:02] <don824chan> wahoo i got my wireless linux laptop working
[02:02] <dabaR> bur[n] er: it may be in Apps>System Tools>COnf editor, I dont use gnome any more, so I dont kno.
[02:02] <dabaR> regeya: ya !!!???!?!?
[02:02] <h0sl3r> Is there a wireless network viewer. One sort of like windows has? I want to be able to view the essid and choose which network to connect to. Anyone know of one?
[02:02] <persia> WebLOCH: Ah..  Well, at least Hoary will be supported for some time in the future :)
[02:02] <bur[n] er> dabaR: i can't launch gconf-editor either ;)  my gtk theme is all f'd up
[02:02] <regeya> gtk-gnutella - shares files in a peer to peer network
[02:02] <ab9id> question 3, can someone point me at the config file I need to edit to change which NTP server ubuntu attempts to contact at boot?
[02:02] <regeya> mutella - Gnutella client with command line and http interface
[02:02] <get_VoIP_here> regaya: I think its because Limewire used to distribute .deb packages, but stopped not that long ago
[02:03] <Da_SWAT> thoreauputic, thnx :)
[02:03] <regeya> libgnutella-gift - giFT plugin for the Gnutella network
[02:03] <thoreauputic> Da_SWAT: np :)
[02:03] <locomorto> h0sl3r: right click on two windows in system tray
[02:03] <dabaR> regeya: I love you for mutella.
[02:03] <locomorto> h0sl3r: go configure
[02:03] <regeya> heh
[02:03] <locomorto> h0sl3r: go properties -> configure
[02:03] <x[BrB] x> is there a nero for ubuntu?
[02:03] <ab9id> x[BrB] x, it's called cdrecord
[02:03] <locomorto> click on the wireless connection box
[02:03] <rigel> is there something i need to do in k3e in order to burn dvds at higher than 1x?
[02:04] <regeya> just sayin'. there's more than one gnutella client in the repos already.
[02:04] <locomorto> then click on properties
[02:04] <FR500> dabaR man i can't believe it.........routing bit was on 0
[02:04] <thoreauputic> x[BrB] x: Ubuntu is free software - nero is commercial
[02:04] <FR500> dabaR dang forgot about it
[02:04] <rigel> i set it to 8, the speed of the blanks. it recognizes them as such
[02:04] <Iskai> woohoo! - first time with Ubuntu and it works!
[02:04] <rigel> it just doesnt burn at anything greter than 1x
[02:04] <locomorto> you can set it up in there
[02:04] <dabaR> FR500: at least you made it work.
[02:04] <locomorto> Otherwsie use kismet
[02:04] <bur[n] er> dabaR: thanks for the help... i'll just dig through ~/.gconf :)
[02:04] <h0sl3r> locomorto: uhh, what?
[02:04] <locomorto> but i dont think it will let you connect
[02:04] <dabaR> bur[n] er: good luck.
[02:04] <x[BrB] x> ok
[02:04] <dabaR> Iskai: ya, I love ubuntu and linux too.
[02:04] <ab9id> anyone know where the config lives that chooses the NTP server that ubuntu attempts to contact at boot time?
[02:04] <FR500> dabaR well the whol topology was more complex, working on pptp tunnels but the idea was that
[02:04] <benkong2> is there an extras repo for breezy? looking for checkinstall and auto-apt
[02:05] <locomorto> benkong2: checkinstall is in universe...
[02:05] <thoreauputic> x[BrB] x: if you want a nice GUI for CD burning, try graveman or gnomebaker
[02:05] <dabaR> gift is annoying imo
[02:05] <FR500> what is gift?
[02:05] <benkong2> locomorto; ok for breezy?
[02:05] <regeya> never tried it.
[02:05] <thoreauputic> benkong2: those would be in universe
[02:05] <Seveas> !info checkinstall breezy
[02:05] <ubotu> checkinstall: (installation tracker), section universe/admin, is optional. Version: 1.5.3-3 (breezy), Packaged size: 34 kB, Installed size: 132 kB
[02:05] <regeya> k3b is more complete than either graveman or gnomebaker, but I tend to use gnomebaker for most and just use a term for video dvds
[02:06] <locomorto> benkong2: network-manager is in the breezy repos
[02:06] <shawnz> mmk, i'm sshing to my other computer. any way i can run vnc or xdmcp or something on the already-started display?
[02:06] <Seveas> yup it is :)
[02:06] <locomorto> benkong2: but it wont be finsihed
[02:06] <[D] aA`yikes> what kernel version does breezy come with?
[02:06] <locomorto> benkong2: And checkinstall is still in universe there
[02:06] <benkong2> thoreauputic; locomorto thanks they were commented out in my sources.list
[02:06] <locomorto> 2.6.12.4?
[02:06] <WebLOCH> Seveas - Any final offerings before I resort to Hoary again ?
[02:06] <x[BrB] x> does the cd burning in ubuntu support drag and drop?
[02:06] <[D] aA`yikes> thanks a lot
[02:06] <locomorto> or .3
[02:06] <regeya> unsharp mask in gimp is damn slow.
[02:06] <locomorto> not sure i'll check
[02:06] <[D] aA`yikes> okay
[02:06] <Seveas> WebLOCH, not really
[02:06] <thoreauputic> x[BrB] x: yes
[02:06] <khermans> is there a repo to get the Sun JDK for Breezy installed?
[02:06] <WebLOCH> okay well thanks guys
[02:07] <locomorto> 2.6.12-8
[02:07] <mindframe> can anyone tell me why the mac address on my wifi card looks like this: 00-0C-30-E9-7B-D3-30-3A-00-00-00-00-00-00-00-00  now that ive upgraded to breezy?
[02:07] <[D] aA`yikes> thanks locomorto
[02:07] <locomorto> np
[02:07] <[D] aA`yikes> does it by any chance come with inotify?
[02:07] <Seveas> mindframe, funky ... :)
[02:07] <locomorto> yes
[02:07] <[D] aA`yikes> awesome
[02:07] <WebLOCH> take care all
[02:07] <[D] aA`yikes> going to download ubuntu now
[02:07] <[D] aA`yikes> take care everyone
[02:08] <[D] aA`yikes> thanks for the help
[02:08] <apokryphos> Au revoir
[02:08] <x[BrB] x> There were no decoders found to handle the stream, you might need to install the corresponding plugins
[02:08] <x[BrB] x> i still cant run movies
[02:08] <Seveas> khermans, check your private messages :)
[02:09] <mindframe> Seveas, its no fun, my card cant find my router now even when i disable the mac filter.
[02:10] <x[BrB] x> thoreauputic There were no decoders found to handle the stream, you might need to install the corresponding plugins
[02:10] <thoreauputic> x[BrB] x:  libdvdcss2 and w32codecs
[02:10] <khermans> Seveas, is this the sunjdk1.5 ?
[02:10] <Pluto> help with SAMBA, NAUTILUS... I connect using "PLACES" -> "Connect to Server"; the desktop link is fine but where the hell it was mount? I check /mnt and /media..
[02:11] <FR500> Pluto: you need gnome vfs compliant apps to use that mounts i guess
[02:11] <h0sl3r> Is there a wireless network viewer. One sort of like windows has? I want to be able to view the essid and choose which network to connect to. Anyone know of one?
[02:11] <thoreauputic> x[BrB] x: are you using totem? If so I suggest you install totem-xine
[02:11] <SPCcrow> kismet
[02:11] <khermans> x[BrB] x, you should give vlc a try
[02:11] <FR500> SPCcrow: thats killing a fly with a hammer
[02:11] <khermans> x[BrB] x, sudo aptitude install vlc
[02:11] <FR500> h0sl3r: sudo iwlist interface_name scan
[02:12] <h0sl3r> FR500, thanks
[02:12] <Seveas> khermans, jdk and jre for 1.5 and 1.4 are available
[02:12] <Seveas> Pluto, it's not mounted
[02:12] <thoreauputic> x[BrB] x: khermans is right - vlc is also a possibility
[02:12] <Seveas> it uses the gnome virtual filesystem
[02:12] <FR500> h0sl3r: there are some applets to look for that in the gui
[02:12] <Pluto> SEVEAS: YES it is, but just in the desktop.
[02:12] <h0sl3r> FR500: i get errors saying my interface doesnt support scanning. Is this the end of the line?
[02:13] <FR500> h0sl3r: try iwlist scan
[02:13] <x[BrB] x> im installing it now
[02:13] <x[BrB] x> thanks
[02:13] <Seveas> Pluto, that's not mounted :)
[02:13] <FR500> Pluto: it's not really mounted, it's mouted via gnome virtual file system
[02:13] <sorush20> do I need JDK to run Java applications
[02:13] <Seveas> sorush20, no, just the JRE
[02:13] <FR500> with emphasis on virtual
[02:13] <khermans> sorush20, no just the JRE
[02:13] <khermans> lol
[02:13] <fysa> Installation freezing with AMD64/NForce4 and Breezy preview.  After detecting network and whatever comes after that.  CTRL-C brings up "Starting up the partitioner" at 52% and another freeze.
[02:14] <x[BrB] x> i still can't play it :(
[02:14] <shawnz> hello? :(
[02:14] <FR500> Pluto: it you use the mapped drive frequently you can mount it on boot
[02:14] <khermans> fysa, yes the partitioner has trouble -- i have seen that on many machines
[02:14] <Seveas> hi shawnz :)
[02:14] <h0sl3r> FR500: nope. non of my interfaces allow scanning.
[02:14] <Kyral> hmm
[02:14] <FR500> h0sl3r: though luck then
[02:14] <sorush20> Seveas:  khermans, when I type apt-get install sun-j2re1.5  I get the message that it is already installed.
[02:14] <h0sl3r> ok
[02:14] <Kyral> my school maintains an AFS server for students
[02:14] <khermans> sorush20, thats good
[02:14] <FR500> h0sl3r: some cards need different drivers to allow for scanning
[02:14] <Kyral> can I mount that?
[02:14] <khermans> sorush20, so you should be able to run java apps
[02:14] <FR500> h0sl3r: what card is it?
[02:14] <Pluto> SEVEAS:FR500: THANKS: I will mount it, the old way..
[02:14] <Seveas> sorush20, then do: sudo update-alternatives --config java
[02:15] <Seveas> sorush20, then do: sudo update-alternatives --config javac
[02:15] <Kyral> so I can stop having to fire up gFTP?
[02:15] <Seveas> (both)
[02:15] <FR500> Pluto: no prob
[02:15] <fysa> Oh, this is with using linux noapic.
[02:15] <FR500> what is AFS?
[02:15] <khermans> firefox -> wp afs
[02:15] <fysa> khermans: downloading the daily now.. hopefully this will fix it.
[02:15] <Kyral> Andrews File System or something
[02:16] <Fred|Fr3d> hey, how can i *KILL* my iptables firewall? i removed it in synaptic but i still cant access anythnig
[02:16] <sorush20> Seveas: I changed the first config file
[02:16] <FR500> AFS looks cool, but samba via pptp tunnel is sooooooo easy
[02:17] <Fred|Fr3d> how do i kill iptables? i uninstalled it but it's still in effect :S
[02:17] <Seveas> Fred|Fr3d, iptables is part of the linux kernel...
[02:17] <Fred|Fr3d> well, how do i kill it's rules?
[02:17] <mindframe> i think he wants to flush all of the rules
[02:17] <sorush20> Seveas: but the second file says that there is only on app present .. which is the the SableV
[02:17] <Seveas> iptables -F flushes the currently active set of rules
[02:17] <Fred|Fr3d> thanks
[02:17] <FR500> Fred|Fr3d: iptables -F
[02:17] <FR500> dan
[02:18] <FR500> g
[02:18] <sorush20> Seveas: but the second file says that there is only on app present .. which is the the SableVM
[02:18] <Seveas> sorush20, ok, sounds reasonable since you only have the sun jre installed
[02:18] <Seveas> sorush20, then do: sudo update-alternatives --config jar
 mmk, i'm sshing to my other computer. any way i can run vnc or xdmcp or something on the already-started display? << anyone? :(
[02:18] <sorush20> Seveas: I get fast Jar
[02:19] <CarlFK> shawnz - I belive you can start up VNC and take over your current desktop
[02:19] <FR500> shawnz: you have to enable them first
[02:19] <Kyral> I know I can install support on it...
[02:19] <Kyral> but can I mount it.....I know the computers in the lab do
[02:19] <Kyral> (and no they aren't on it)
[02:19] <shawnz> yes
[02:19] <Kyral> Seveas I just gotta install the FreeNX server, fire it up, and then go fire up the client in the labs?
[02:19] <shawnz> but vnc wants to make a new display
[02:19] <shawnz> im wondering if i can start it on the one i have already
[02:19] <khermans> Seveas, did you build this sunjdk-1.5 yourself or rip the debian pkg ?
[02:19] <shawnz> and just continue
[02:19] <x[BrB] x> when i tried to play my mp3 i says file cannot be loaded
[02:19] <FR500> vnc doesn't make new displays
[02:19] <khermans> x[BrB] x, in what?
[02:19] <CarlFK> shawnz - find the option that doesn't create a new display.  it will use the exising one, and thats what you want
[02:20] <Seveas> khermans, it are packages created with make-jpkg on a breezy system
[02:20] <FR500> shawnz: VNC accesses the display "on the screen now"
[02:20] <shawnz> and which option is that :p
[02:20] <shawnz> FR500: not when you run it through ssh remotely.
[02:20] <shawnz> unless im using the wrong command
[02:20] <FR500> oh
[02:20] <khermans> Seveas, sweet dude -- just waiting for it to complete -- grabbing it now from you
[02:20] <FR500> kewl
[02:20] <FR500> lots to lear yet
[02:20] <x[BrB] x> khermans in rhymbox music player
[02:20] <khermans> x[BrB] x, you probably need libmp3
[02:20] <CarlFK> shawnz - read me the part in man vncserver that describes it ;)
[02:21] <Kyral> Seveas anyway to shut DOWN the FreeNX server when I don't need it?
[02:21] <zburns> How do I modify a shortcut in the Applications menu (need to change a parameter)?
[02:21] <Seveas> Kyral, it opens no ports
[02:21] <prolsd> hmm.
[02:21] <shawnz>        vncserver Invokes Xvnc on the next available display and with  suitable
[02:21] <shawnz>                  defaults.
[02:21] <x[BrB] x> what shall i do??
[02:21] <Seveas> shutdown ssh and freenx goes down with it
[02:21] <Kyral> So just shut down SSHD
[02:21] <Seveas> yup
[02:21] <Kyral> still I'd like to kill processes when I don't need them
[02:21] <Seveas> it has no processes :)
[02:22] <blank> ubuntu doesn't come with GCC/G++?
[02:22] <Kyral> eh?
[02:22] <bur[n] er> blank: apt-get install build-essential
[02:22] <blank> I'm downloading it right now, just surprised...
[02:22] <Seveas> funny huh :)
[02:22] <blank> okay
[02:22] <khermans> x[BrB] x, try this http://ubuntuguide.org/#codecs
[02:22] <Kyral> blank sudo apt-get install build-essential
[02:22] <blank> i just used synaptic
[02:22] <shawnz> blank, open a terminal and 'sudo apt-get install build-essential'
[02:22] <Seveas> blank, apt-get install build-essential
[02:22] <CarlFK> wow.
[02:22] <Kyral> then how does it work..
[02:22] <x[BrB] x> thanks
[02:22] <Kyral> no process...*confused...*
[02:22] <Seveas> Kyral, I'm planning on writing a short explanation on it
[02:22] <blank> okay I did the install build essential
[02:22] <blank> that'll give me gcc and g++?
[02:23] <khermans> x[BrB] x, you first need to add the multiverse/universe repos
[02:23] <khermans> x[BrB] x, see step #2
[02:23] <bur[n] er> blank: si senor
[02:23] <blank> yay it works thanks
[02:23] <Seveas> in short: NX connects to your machine using ssh and a well-known private/public keypair
[02:23] <shawnz> blank: that gives you gcc, g++, make, etc
[02:23] <blank> thanks :)
[02:23] <blank> by eguys
[02:23] <Fred|Fr3d> Seveas: iptables -F doesnt help :'(
[02:23] <Seveas> the NX server is the shell of the 'nx' user on your system
[02:23] <Kyral> a well-known...
[02:23] <bur[n] er> Seveas: know if NX can be used to show the same display remotely and locally?
[02:23] <bur[n] er> ala vino style?
[02:23] <Kyral> uhh how can I specifiy MY private/public?
[02:23] <Seveas> Kyral, that has no security implications ;)
[02:24] <Seveas> bur[n] er, NX can tunnel vnc
[02:24] <Kyral> Seveas, I'm paranoid :D
[02:24] <Fred|Fr3d> Seveas: iptables -F doesnt help :'(
[02:24] <x[BrB] x> khermans url cannot be found
[02:24] <Seveas> Kyral, even them it has no security implications
[02:24] <persia> I am running Breezy with a Japanese keyboard, and have not been able to get both '] ' and '_' working at the same time.  I've tried adjusting /etc/X11/xorg.conf, and with XkbLayout set to "jp", I can use '_', but not '] '.  If I set to "jp106", the reverse is true.  Both keys work perfectly in console.  Could anyone point me in the right direction to fix this?  Either a local file or an online resource would be welcome.
[02:24] <bur[n] er> Seveas: uhh?  is it hard to setup that way?
[02:24] <shawnz> mk
[02:24] <Seveas> bur[n] er, read the docs on nomachine.com
[02:24] <Fred|Fr3d> Seveas: nevermind it seems to let me in now :)
[02:24] <shawnz> i dont see an option in man vncserver to start it on the already existing display
[02:24] <shawnz> execpt vncserver :1 which errors
[02:24] <bur[n] er> good call... thanks Seveas
[02:24] <Kyral> so I just install it and let it fly
[02:25] <Seveas> Kyral, no, because even if you know the private key you can't deduct the session key used by ssh
[02:25] <Kyral> then fire up the Windows Client and connect to my IP?
[02:25] <Seveas> read an rsa primer on that ;(
[02:25] <Seveas> ;)
[02:25] <khermans> x[BrB] x, http://67.15.97.2/#codecs
[02:25] <Octane> anyone else here experiencing problems with PHP/MySQL and Apache in breezy?
[02:25] <shawnz> Warning: ubuntu-server:1 is not taken because of /tmp/.X1-lock
[02:25] <shawnz> Remove this file if there is no X server ubuntu-server:1
[02:25] <shawnz> A VNC server is already running as :1
[02:25] <CarlFK> shawnz - that may be it.  you may need to tell X to allow the 2nd connection or something
[02:25] <Seveas> Kyral, install, enable access per-user and then you can fly :)
[02:25] <CarlFK> shawnz - then that isn't it
[02:25] <khermans> x[BrB] x, your DNS servers have probably not updated yet -- the DNS record was recently changed
[02:25] <Octane> Even though I have all the appropriate packages installed, I get " Call to undefined function: mysql_select_db()"
[02:25] <Kyral> Seveas, I'm the only user on my system :D
[02:25] <CarlFK> shawnz - it is probably going to be :0
[02:26] <Seveas> Kyral, then enable access for that user :)
[02:26] <x[BrB] x> ok
[02:26] <shawnz> ...going to be what?
[02:26] <Kyral> how...
[02:26] <Seveas> sudo nxserver --adduser $USER
[02:26] <Seveas> sudo nxserver --passwd $USER
[02:26] <x[BrB] x> khermans so im in where im i going next?
[02:26] <Kyral> I know how to compile stuff and the inner workings of Linux yet I suck at system admin :P
[02:26] <Xorlev> Okay, I have this fstab line, and it seems to be mounting as read only when I was mounting it under /home, but elsewhere was fine. /dev/sda1       /home               ext3    defaults,errors=remount-ro 0       0
[02:26] <CarlFK> shawnz - what is the vncserver command you ran to get "A VNC server is already running as :1" ?
[02:26] <shawnz> 'vncserver :1'
[02:26] <Kyral> I feel ashamed
[02:27] <shawnz> i guess it said that because x1-lock was there
[02:27] <Kyral> now I have to convince the guy incharge of the COSI Build of Gentoo install a FreeNX client
[02:27] <Seveas> Kyral, not really
[02:27] <Seveas> there is a web plugin :)
[02:27] <Kyral> I'd rather not :P
[02:27] <khermans> x[BrB] x, yeah that IP is weird
[02:27] <Seveas> your call ;)
[02:27] <Kyral> I feel better keeping it local to my campus net
[02:28] <khermans> x[BrB] x, he might be using modrewrite
[02:28] <Seveas> mod_rewrite is nice
[02:28] <Seveas> I use it for the access control bits of my repo :)
[02:28] <Kyral> its installing ssh..
[02:28] <Kyral> But I already HAVE SSH and OpenSSH...
[02:28] <khermans> well ubuntuguides DNS recently changed, so  gave him the IP mine resolves too, but he uses modrewite possibly and I dont know which directory the guide is in
[02:29] <Seveas> what is installing?
[02:29] <Seveas> what is installing *ssh*?
[02:29] <Kyral> a bunch of libs
[02:29] <Kyral> freenx
[02:29] <khermans> Seveas, he wants MP3 support
[02:29] <Seveas> yeah, freenx needs some libs
[02:29] <absenth> can someone point me to a good samba guide for idiots?
[02:29] <Seveas> read the complete list on http://seveas.ubuntulinux.nl (the freenx section ;))
[02:30] <Seveas> absenth, upgrade to breezy
[02:30] <absenth> Seveas, I'm on breezy
[02:30] <khermans> breezy is really nice
[02:30] <Seveas> it has a for-idiots gui to samba
[02:30] <shawnz> doesnt hoary aswell?
[02:30] <shawnz> :/
[02:30] <cafuego_> Hmm, what's the name again of that trojan scanner?
[02:30] <Kyral> I'm wondering why its installing the SSH package when I already have the functionality
[02:30] <shawnz> cafuego_: clamav?
[02:30] <Seveas> system -> administration -> shared folders
[02:30] <absenth> Seveas, ok, um, where might it be?  is it a package I add
[02:30] <FibreOptic> QUESTION: does the breezy installer have an upgrade option?
[02:30] <Seveas> system -> administration -> shared folders <[02:30] <Kyral> ah
[02:30] <absenth> Seveas, does that work for printers?  Thanks.
[02:30] <Kyral> its just the Meta-Package
[02:30] <Seveas> FibreOptic, yes (and please don't use ALL CAPS)
[02:31] <shawnz> FibreOptic: insert the cd while ubuntu is started and you'll get a message asking you to upgrade.
[02:31] <khermans> FibreOptic, dont know -- but you can do that yourself over the network so why download the CD!!??!
[02:31] <LinuxJones> cafuego, chkrootkit ?
[02:31] <Seveas> absenth, no, but the printer setup dialog handles those
[02:31] <cafuego_> shawnz: No... there's one that always reports false prositives in /proc for 2.6 kernels.. can't rememebr the name, though
[02:31] <cafuego_> LinuxJones: thanks :-)
[02:31] <LinuxJones> :)
[02:31] <x[BrB] x> whats next guys hehehe
[02:31] <Kyral> and adding user to nxserver doesn't work
[02:32] <FibreOptic> first, apologies for the caps, secondly thanks for the answer
[02:32] <Seveas> the problem being?
[02:32] <Kyral> its trying to use the password option or something
[02:32] <khermans> x[BrB] x, http://64.233.161.104/search?q=cache:oCNVrC8mgQ8J:ubuntuguide.org/+ubuntuguide+codecs&hl=en&client=firefox
[02:32] <Seveas> what's the error?
[02:32] <khermans> x[BrB] x, go to the CODECS section
[02:32] <Kyral> no error
[02:32] <Kyral> want me to PM the terminal output?
[02:32] <x[BrB] x> khermans ok
[02:32] <Seveas> would help :)
[02:32] <FibreOptic> khermans: okay, how can I do the network install?
[02:33] <johndarkhorse> Kyral: a pastebin allows others to throw in their .02 cents
[02:33] <_n00blar_> Has anyone been able to run LimWire pro on Ubuntu 5.10?
[02:33] <locomorto> _n00bler: yes
[02:34] <locomorto> sudo alien <name of rpm download>
[02:34] <khermans> FibreOptic, type this in your terminal --> sudo sed -ei s/hoary/breezy/g /etc/apt/sources.list
[02:34] <absenth> Seveas, so, from the printer configuration I can SHARE a linux printer via samba to a winderz machine?
[02:34] <_n00blar_> locomorto, for some reason my copy complains on the version of java (1.42) loaded on ubuntu
[02:34] <locomorto> sudp dpkg -i <name of new deb file>
[02:34] <locomorto> It runs though?
[02:34] <khermans> FibreOptic, sorry ---> sudo sed -ei 's/hoary/breezy/g' /etc/apt/sources.list
[02:34] <_n00blar_> locomorto, nope doesn't run
[02:35] <locomorto> what does it say?
[02:35] <Seveas> absenth, ehrm no, my bad
[02:35] <FibreOptic> sounds insanely simple :)
[02:35] <locomorto> hmm
[02:35] <absenth> Seveas, that's the ultimate goal, share a linux printer, to a windows client.
[02:35] <_n00blar_> locomorto, says,...Maybe you're using the wrong version of Java?
[02:35] <sybariten> i've broken my Gnome
[02:35] <locomorto> Its a problemt with the blackdown installers
[02:35] <locomorto> hold on a sec
[02:36] <_n00blar_> locomorto, I installed the latest release from Sun 1.5..but I can't tell it to use that one..don't know how to tell it to use that one instead
[02:36] <FibreOptic> khermans: thanks for that.
[02:36] <absenth> sybariten, I'm sorry, but the FIRST thing that came to mind when you wrote that was EXTREMELY painful to me.
[02:36] <khermans> FibreOptic, you also need to --> sudo aptitude update && sudo aptitude dist-upgrade
[02:36] <locomorto> unistall the blackdown one (its easy to spot (its the version 1.4 one))
[02:37] <locomorto> and did you follow the wiki?
[02:37] <x[BrB] x> khermans it says  Couldn't find package w32codecs
[02:37] <sybariten> absenth: let me guess that you thought of something somewhat more .... 'physical' than my actual problems are
[02:37] <absenth> sybariten, unfortunatly.
[02:37] <khermans> FibreOptic, after you do --> sudo sed -i 's/hoary/breezy/g' /etc/apt/sources.list
[02:37] <locomorto> Your on breezy right?
[02:37] <_n00blar_> locomorto, uninstall the blackdown?..
[02:37] <_n00blar_> yes
[02:37] <x[BrB] x> khermans it says Package gstreamer0.8-plugins has no installation candidate
[02:38] <sybariten> my guess is that if i had broken my "Gnome" (winks eyebrows) ... i wouldnt have this error message   "There was a problem registering
[02:38] <sybariten> the panel with the bonobo-activation server.  The error code is 3. The
[02:38] <sybariten> panel will now exit."
[02:38] <j0nas`> hey... can't seem to find package sun-j2sdk1.5... i have hoary-extras and hoary-backports repositories enabled... what gives?
[02:38] <sybariten> ooops multiline quote, unintentional
[02:38] <khermans> x[BrB] x, type this in a terminal --> sudo sed -i 's/main restricted/main restricted universe multiverse/g' /etc/apt/sources.list
[02:39] <locomorto> _n00blar_: search for j2re-1.4 or something similiar and kill that
[02:39] <locomorto> in a methaphorical sense
[02:39] <x[BrB] x> done
[02:39] <khermans> x[BrB] x, now --> sudo aptitude update
[02:39] <x[BrB] x> khermans nothing happend
[02:39] <x[BrB] x> ok
[02:39] <j0nas`> has the sun-j2sdk1.5 package been removed or something?
[02:39] <_n00blar_> locomorto, I have....and there's nothing like that on my system. I found something else.. gij that relates to that but it has dependencies
[02:40] <apokryphos> j0nas`: yes
[02:40] <khermans> x[BrB] x, and --> sudo aptitude install w32codecs
[02:40] <j0nas`> why?
[02:40] <apokryphos> j0nas`: legal reasons
[02:40] <j0nas`> because the firefox symlink is broken?
[02:40] <j0nas`> oh
[02:40] <apokryphos> j0nas`: i.e. they were illegal :)
[02:40] <j0nas`> so you got to go by hand now
[02:40] <j0nas`> so to speak
[02:40] <locomorto> whats the full error then?
[02:40] <apokryphos> j0nas`: or upgrade to Breezy, yes.
[02:40] <j0nas`> breezy?
[02:40] <locomorto> paste it here: paste.ubuntulinux.nl
[02:41] <_n00blar_> locomorto, ok..I'll paste it...where's the place to paste stuff that's over 3 lines?
[02:41] <BlueEagle> khermans: There's been issues with the w32codecs for a few days. Neems to have fallen out of the hoary-extras repos.
[02:41] <khermans> x[BrB] x, work for ya?
[02:41] <j0nas`> what is breezy?
[02:41] <apokryphos> ubotu: tell j0nas` about breezy
[02:41] <j0nas`> thanks
[02:41] <x[BrB] x> its still updating
[02:41] <magnon> Hm, I just installed Breezy on my powerbook, and although the graphical keymap preview shows the right things, the keymap is still US - not Norwegian. Anyone have any idea?
[02:41] <khermans> Blue-Box, weird
[02:41] <locomorto> paste.ubuntulinux.nl
[02:41] <BlueEagle> khermans: To got mplayerhq.hu and put the essential pack in /usr/lib/w32 (if memory serves)
[02:42] <j0nas`> what is the update-alternatives command to add the sun jdk?
[02:42] <khermans> BlueEagle, i dont use it anyways
[02:42] <johndarkhorse> BlueEagle: its /usr/local/lib/codecs
[02:42] <khermans> BlueEagle, tell x[BrB] x
[02:42] <johndarkhorse> khermans: it's /usr/local/lib/codecs where you put the codecs
[02:42] <khermans> BlueEagle, I use vlc because all the codecs are legal
[02:42] <BlueEagle> khermans: ahh, my bad.
[02:42] <sybariten> i'm in Gnome with one account, have pressed ctrl-F2 to get a new console in order to create a new account... is adduser the command ?
[02:42] <daaku> can someone tell me what package /etc/X11/X belongs to in breezy?
[02:42] <_n00blar_> ok, done
[02:42] <sybariten> any problems with using a commandline version ?
[02:42] <khermans> daaku, Xorg
[02:42] <BlueEagle> magnon: Let me reboot and send a /msg to me while I do that explaining which keys are not working right.
[02:43] <x[BrB] x> is that im going to do after the update?
[02:43] <khermans> x[BrB] x, sudo aptitude install w32codecs
[02:43] <johndarkhorse> sybariten: go right ahead with yoru commandline creation
[02:43] <_n00blar_> locomorto, ok, I think i pasted in the right channel
[02:43] <locomorto> You sure?
[02:43] <x[BrB] x> got it
[02:43] <locomorto> _n00blar_: paste.ubuntulinux.nl
[02:43] <j0nas`> apokryphos: do you happen to know the update-alternatives command to add sun jdk?
[02:43] <daaku> khermans: a little more specific?
[02:43] <locomorto> goto that site
[02:43] <khermans> x[BrB] x, so it installed
[02:43] <apokryphos> j0nas`: how exactly would update-alternatives add the jdk?
[02:44] <Kyral> what what what now?
[02:44] <Kyral> the sunjdk package is gone?
[02:44] <apokryphos> Kyral: yes, and j2re
[02:44] <j0nas`> sorry add apropriate symlinks
[02:44] <j0nas`> appropriate*
[02:44] <Kyral> ...psh who needs them
[02:44] <Kyral> stops a load of banner ads :D
[02:44] <_n00blar_> ok, maybe i'm not familiar with pasting on that channel
[02:44] <apokryphos> Kyral: an awful lot of people, apparently :D
[02:45] <khermans> daaku, xserver-xorg ?
[02:45] <DansFloyd> whats a good TV tuner program for Linux?
[02:45] <apokryphos> j0nas`: not quite sure, I'm afraid.
[02:45] <j0nas`> ok thanks...
[02:45] <khermans> DansFloyd, try mythtv if you want the whole TiVi thing
[02:45] <cafuego_> If they'd used to NORMAL way toa dd java, as opposed to a non-legal apckage, they'd be fine. Blame whoever broke the wiki.
[02:45] <locomorto> DansFloyd: MythTV
[02:45] <DansFloyd> thanks
[02:45] <j0nas`> dansfloyd: xawtv or motv as well
[02:46] <daaku> khermans: maybe the output of dpkg -S /etc/X11/X ?
[02:46] <DansFloyd> i can i install MythTVfrom synaptic?
[02:47] <x[BrB] x> khermans im done
[02:47] <x[BrB] x> it still not working
[02:47] <khermans> x[BrB] x, did you install all the codecs and plugins -- including the gstreamer-plugins ?
[02:48] <daaku> khermans: i'm doing a fine tuned install of the modularized xorg packages to see what i *really* need
[02:48] <bur[n] er> ooh... the new lock screen rules :)
[02:48] <khermans> x[BrB] x, i would try installing vlc and playing things with that -- because all codecs are legal
[02:49] <DansFloyd> nevermind i found it. Thanks!
[02:49] <x[BrB] x> do i have to install all of them
[02:49] <_n00blar_> Ok, how do i paste stuff on past.ubuntulinux.nl ...i don't think joining this does it
[02:49] <SPCcrow> is there a ubuntu package for the JRE
[02:49] <khermans> x[BrB] x, yes all that were listed on the #codecs link i sent you
[02:49] <Madpilot> SPCcrow: in hoary-extras there is
[02:50] <locomorto> its a website
[02:50] <SPCcrow> Madpilot: Do you know the name of it?
[02:50] <khermans> x[BrB] x, lame are probably the only MP3 related ones
[02:50] <poningru> !tell SPCcrow about java
[02:50] <Madpilot> spine55: search for j2re in Synaptic, if you've got -extras repo enabled
[02:50] <daaku> could someone on breezy do me a favor and give me the output of dpkg -S /etc/X11/X ?
[02:50] <locomorto> _n00blar_ did you go to the website?
[02:50] <j0nas`> madpilot: its not there anymore
[02:50] <apokryphos> Madpilot, SPCcrow: java was taken out of hoary-extras
[02:50] <j0nas`> its been removed
[02:50] <poningru> wtf
[02:51] <_n00blar_> locomorto, ok done
[02:51] <j0nas`> which btw sucks big time
[02:51] <SPCcrow> Noticed that one..
[02:51] <cycom> hey, I've got an ntfs drive that I want my normal user to be able to access from gentoo. I don't have permissions to access the partition
[02:51] <Madpilot> apokryphos, j0nas`, SPCcrow: hmmm... I guess I've still got it listed because it's installed here...
[02:51] <apokryphos> cycom: if it's in fstab, just change the umask
[02:51] <daaku> cycom: read only?
[02:52] <apokryphos> Madpilot: yup
[02:52] <cycom> daaku: ya
[02:52] <_n00blar_> locomorto, I have installed Sun java 1.5 and I've got all the env. variables set in my .bashrc_profile
[02:52] <cycom> apokryphos: umask?
[02:52] <Madpilot> apokryphos: well, that sucks... I guess it's still installable from the Sun website...
[02:52] <apokryphos> Madpilot: yeah, but a sucky alternative :P
[02:52] <khermans> daaku, i didnt get anything
[02:52] <apokryphos> Madpilot: unfortunately the ubuntulinux.nl doesn't have a hoary repo anymore
[02:52] <daaku> cycom: what apokryphos said, change the umask or change the uid (if you only want it to be readable by one specific user)
[02:53] <apokryphos> Madpilot: so no java from there
[02:53] <locomorto> _n00blar_ try purging j2re-1.4.2
[02:53] <locomorto> sudo dpkg --purge j2re-1.4.2
[02:53] <khermans> daaku, but /usr/bin/X gives xserver-common
[02:53] <cycom> daaku: there isn't really a manpage on it directly. where can I find man info?
[02:53] <daaku> khermans: alright, thanks
[02:53] <apokryphos> cycom: yes, as an option.
[02:53] <_n00blar_> locomorto, oh, ok...I've been searching using synaptic and nothing came up. let me try that
[02:53] <cycom> apokryphos: same question
[02:53] <Madpilot> apokryphos: the mirrormax backports doesn't have it?
[02:53] <apokryphos> cycom: there is; man fstab
[02:54] <cycom> ok. thanks!
[02:54] <apokryphos> Madpilot: that is hoary-extras, nope.
[02:54] <daaku> cycom: man mount will help
[02:54] <locomorto> try just j2re1.4
[02:54] <Madpilot> apokryphos: isn't Breezy going to ship with one of the Free Javas installed?
[02:54] <locomorto> yes
[02:54] <apokryphos> Madpilot: Breezy Multiverse has Blackdown java though; and ubuntulinux has all the sun packs for breezy
[02:54] <locomorto> it ships with blackdown
[02:54] <_n00blar_> hmmm...nada
[02:54] <apokryphos> Madpilot: correct, yes. In Multiverse.
[02:55] <locomorto> it does not work out of the box with limewire though
[02:55] <_n00blar_> I'm getting: ignoring request to remove j2re1.4 which isn't installed.
[02:55] <_n00blar_> locomorto, nope
[02:55] <apokryphos> _n00blar_: what's the problem?
[02:55] <khermans> Madpilot, i think the jre is installed by default
[02:55] <locomorto> check the paste site
[02:55] <apokryphos> khermans: on breezy? Not at all, nope.
[02:56] <khermans> why did i have java ?
[02:56] <locomorto> it is
[02:56] <apokryphos> khermans: why do you have it? Because you installed it?
[02:56] <locomorto> If you do a clean install then you get it
[02:56] <daaku> khermans: could you tell me if /etc/X11/X is a symlink to something? (startx dies saying no such file for /etc/X11/X)
[02:56] <khermans> i definitely dindt install the jre, but i have it
[02:56] <locomorto> khermans: dont worry
[02:56] <locomorto> khermans: it was preinstalled for me too
[02:56] <apokryphos> khermans: Breezy doesn't ship with multiverse, so it can't really be installed by default.
[02:56] <_n00blar_> 1.4 came with breezy...and my copy of limewire will not work...I tried installing 1.5 and i can't get limewire to use 1.5 instead of 1.4.2
[02:56] <khermans> daaku, /etc/X11/X -> /usr/bin/X11/Xorg
[02:56] <daaku> khermans: nice, thanks
[02:56] <apokryphos> perhaps if you enalbe multiverse it is, I don't know.
[02:57] <locomorto> Ok, BREEZY = JAVA BY ****ING DEFAULT
[02:57] <thoreauputic> apokryphos: breezy comes with some "free" java stuff
[02:57] <apokryphos> What java?
[02:58] <locomorto> blackdown
[02:58] <_n00blar_> yes, and it's called gij from what I gather
[02:58] <apokryphos> the j2re pack is in *Multiverse*
[02:58] <locomorto> BUT IT IS INSTALLED BY DEFAULT
[02:58] <khermans> apokryphos, blackdown is not in universe
[02:58] <thoreauputic> locomorto: cu the shouting please
[02:58] <thoreauputic> *cut out
[02:58] <apokryphos> khermans: I never said it was
[02:59] <thoreauputic> gij = free java
[02:59] <_n00blar_> This is the java installed: /etc/alternatives/java -> /usr/lib/jvm/java-gcj/bin/java
[02:59] <_n00blar_> thoreauputic, yes..that's the one
[02:59] <thoreauputic> right, gcj
[02:59] <khermans> gcj is great for compiling java code to machine code
[03:00] <khermans> instead of into IML
[03:00] <gamer7> hi
[03:00] <apokryphos> locomorto: errr, that's quite different to j2re (as I said), gcj is just a GNU java compiler
[03:00] <zburns> getting an error compiling MPlayer under Breezy - can anybody help moi?
[03:00] <khermans> zburns, just install one from the repos instead
[03:00] <_n00blar_> sorush20, is it ok to remove it?  gij, that is.
[03:00] <gamer7> what folder do i find the installed apps after using wine
[03:00] <apokryphos> locomorto: and read this: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/current/breezy-install-i386.list -- maybe try a search for j2re; that's right, it's not there.
[03:00] <khermans> zburns, sudo aptitude install mplayer-386 i assume
[03:02] <zburns> khermans, didn't see it in a repo and aptitude didn't find anything either.
[03:02] <khermans> zburns, do you have universe and multiverse
[03:02] <apokryphos> zburns: you have to enable the Multiverse repository
[03:02] <_n00blar_> hah, gij4.0 is required for openoffice 2.0 !!
[03:02] <zburns> khermans, ah, let me check multiverse
[03:03] <apokryphos> zburns: add "multiverse" to any line that has "universe", then sudo apt-get update && sudo aptitude install mplayer-386
[03:03] <khermans> apokryphos, i think the preferred apt manager is aptitude now
[03:03] <DansFloyd> does anyone know how to setup myth TV? ive got it installed useing synaptic... now i need to set it up
[03:04] <apokryphos> khermans: it's a matter of preference for many things, but yes, I use it a lot.
[03:04] <khermans> aptitude seems to be a better replacement for apt-get
[03:04] <_n00blar_> DansFloyd, mythtv.org has detailed info on that
[03:04] <khermans> it was just funny because you used both in your command sequence there
[03:04] <johndarkhorse> khermans: whatever floats your boat. synaptic/kynaptic is a gui frontend, aptitude a console one
[03:04] <zburns> khermans, that was it, thanks!
[03:05] <apokryphos> khermans: update comes more naturally with apt-get :). Not that there's any reason an aptitude update is any different..
[03:05] <khermans> zburns, np
[03:05] <khermans> one nice thing about aptitude is that it offers better searching i think
[03:05] <apokryphos> khermans: apt-get can be annoying sometimes (not telling you about some excellent other packs), as can aptitude (installing a zillion language packs for you).
[03:06] <apokryphos> khermans: how so? apt-cache search works well.
[03:06] <khermans> apokryphos, for instance apt-cache will return mane packages that dont have your search term
[03:06] <khermans> but aptitude wont
[03:07] <jk-> khermans: it searches the name, description and summary.
[03:07] <cafuego_> khermans: They *do* have the term, just in the extended destription field, that's not shown.
[03:07] <apokryphos> khermans: it uses the description and apt-cache show info, yes. You can always just use a pipe w/ith it (I do)
[03:07] <khermans> cafuego, right, but that can get really confusing when you have some major lib
[03:07] <_n00blar_> So I guess there's no way to remove Gij so I can tell limewire to use java 1.5 instead of the default?
[03:08] <jk-> Gij ?
[03:08] <_n00blar_> gij the free java that comes with breezy
[03:08] <apokryphos> jk-: a gnu java compiler
[03:08] <jk-> ah.
[03:09] <cafuego_> khermans: I'm sure you can change the baviour in some way, if it bugs you.
[03:09] <cafuego_> behaviour too
[03:09] <test34> so there should be no problems upgrading from hoary to breezy ?
[03:09] <cafuego_> test34: Not after october 13, no.
[03:09] <khermans> cafuego, its all about the default settings -- and ease of use
[03:09] <test34> cafuego, ok
[03:09] <jk-> test34: did it last week, all worked fine.
[03:09] <apokryphos> test34: breezy doesn't have official stable status yet
[03:09] <khermans> cafuego, n00bs can make debian do everything ubuntu does -- but Ubuntu does it out of the box
[03:10] <test34> apokryphos, It works pretty good with a clean install but I was wondering about upgrades..
[03:10] <khermans> hehe
[03:10] <Bad_Magic> can anyone help me get the firefox mplayer plugin working? it just freezes at 99% cached and playing things thru mplayer (not the plugin) doesnt work either
[03:10] <jojomonkey> anyone know why muine crashes/freezes in ubuntu if esd is not being used ?
[03:10] <khermans> cafuego, have you ever installed Debian yourself ?
[03:10] <apokryphos> test34: stable -> stable apt upgrade is fully supported, yes
[03:11] <cafuego_> test34: it *should* work, but if something goes wrong, you'll probably get more sarcasm then help ;-)
[03:11] <khermans> there is a major difference in necessary knowledge level
[03:11] <cafuego_> khermans: I've used Linux in nearly all flavours since 1994.
[03:11] <apokryphos> cafuego_: it's more help these days, really!
[03:11] <test34> ok thanks cafuego and apokryphos
[03:11] <astartoth> hi there.
[03:11] <cafuego_> apokryphos: I can't speak for others ;-)
[03:11] <khermans> cafuego, well i dont think many people in this channel could stomach a default Debian install and setup on a new leptop
[03:12] <astartoth> how can i put those neat [ ok ]  status on every service during boot on a sarge ? any ideas?
[03:12] <Absenth> does anyone have a link to a Sharing linux resources via samba for idiots guide?
[03:13] <cafuego_> khermans: Yes, but then, on the #debian channel I've learned that is sually due to them not reading a SINGLE screen with info during the install. making an install accessible for newbies is a different issue to streamlining it for lazy bastards.
[03:13] <cafuego_> astartoth: Wrong channel, try #debian
[03:14] <astartoth> they told me to ask you guys
[03:14] <khermans> cafuego, how about a grandmother who doesnt care how the computer works, just that "it works"
[03:14] <khermans> you probably dont care about every thing your car does, just that it gets you from home to work
[03:14] <johndarkhorse> Absenth: sharing with windows or another *nix box?
[03:14] <Absenth> johndarkhorse, currently I'd like to share to a windows computer.
[03:15] <Absenth> johndarkhorse, the printer is local on the linux computer.
[03:15] <cafuego_> khermans: They wouldn't install it themselves, but buy a pre-install. Same thing she would now, with a Dell or Mac.
[03:15] <newbie99> good evening
[03:15] <johndarkhorse> Absenth: barring anyone answering in here, uncle google has many links to "samba howto"
[03:15] <test34> when you stop remote desktop the app (System - Preferences - Remote Desktop) by unchecking "Allow users to view your desktop" you get an error ? is that a bug
[03:15] <dabaR_> buenas, newbie99
[03:15] <nail> ...
[03:15] <Seveas> test34, that is a bug
[03:16] <Absenth> johndarkhorse, true.  Unfortunatly a great number of them go back to when samba sucked bad, and another great number of them are not idiot friendly :)
[03:16] <newbie99> could someone direct me to some material that explains how to install software inside of linux
[03:16] <khermans> cafuego, and what if she had to reinstall it herself ?  from the OS cd?
[03:16] <test34> ok thanks Seveas
[03:16] <Absenth> johndarkhorse, however I appreciate the assistance all the same.
[03:16] <johndarkhorse> Absenth: have you checked wiki.ubuntu.com/UserDocumentation   ?
[03:17] <Kyral> Seveas, you are right. Double logging into X is really ugly
[03:17] <Seveas> khermans, grandma would ask her grandson to do that...
[03:17] <Seveas> Kyral, yeah it is
[03:17] <test34> is ubuntu all python ?
[03:17] <khermans> cafuego, im not saying youre wrong, im just saying that computers are about automating borings tasks
[03:17] <Kyral> and it boned my system to the point of having to reboot for some reason
[03:17] <Seveas> btw: your setup would work, tunneling VNC over NX too, but it is still as slow as vnc (the local vnc connection is the bottleneck)
[03:17] <dabaR_> newbie99: do you use ubuntu?
[03:18] <newbie99> yes
[03:18] <Seveas> test34, ubuntu promotes python
[03:18] <Seveas> but most of it is written in C
[03:18] <dabaR>  /msg ubotu tell newbie99 about synaptic
[03:18] <Kyral> what about logging into VNC, logging out of GNOME there, then logging into FreeNX?
[03:18] <Seveas> that would work, but you might as well log out before leaving :)
[03:18] <test34> Seveas, should promote ruby;)
[03:18] <newbie99> synaptic???
[03:19] <Kyral> Seveas: I strive to make it look like I have an incredible uptime :D
[03:19] <dabaR> newbie99: did you get messages from ubotu? if so, read the linked documents
[03:19] <Seveas> logging out does not ruin your uptime ;(
[03:19] <Seveas> ;)
[03:19] <newbie99> no
[03:19] <Seveas>  03:19:37 up 1 day,  5:37,  3 users,  load average: 0.08, 0.14, 0.17
[03:19] <Kyral> from an IM point of view it does :P
[03:19] <dabaR> newbie99: what program are you using?
[03:19] <newbie99> irc
[03:19] <newbie99> x chat
[03:20] <dabaR> Seveas: you use xchat?
[03:20] <Seveas> yes
[03:20] <dabaR> why is he not getting ubotu messages?
[03:20] <test34> I can easily get 2 weeks uptime in windows now, wow..;)
[03:20] <dabaR> Seveas: ^
[03:20] <Seveas> because he does not look good enough...
[03:20] <Kyral> I could go for massive uptime
[03:20] <Kyral> but I like to tweak
[03:21] <Seveas> I like keeping my kernel up-to-date more than massive uptime...
[03:21] <dabaR> ok. newbie99 there are tabs along the top, I think, or the bottom, it should say ubotu, click on it
[03:21] <Kyral> so I'm always going back into the BIOS to see if there is anyway to juice an extra bit of speed outta my system :P
[03:21] <newbie99> i see now
[03:21] <dabaR> newbie99: good, read the linked docs. that is all you need to know about installing, and the ask the bot is useful.
[03:22] <dabaR> newbie99: btw, installing on linux is dependent on the gnu/linux distro you use, debian, and derivatives, like ubuntu, use the apt system. Synaptic is a gui for the apt system.
[03:24] <durt> anyone know how to graph a differential equation in gnuplot?
[03:24] <paco_> hey, how do I change the default OS that grub loads?
[03:24] <Seveas> paco_, by editing /boot/grub/menu.lst
[03:24] <Bad_Magic> Anyone help me get mplayer working? it freezes everytime i try to open a video
[03:24] <dabaR> paco_: the gtrub config file tells you that, that is the file^
[03:24] <newbie99> dabar thank you
[03:24] <Seveas> Bad_Magic, set ao=esd in /etc/mplayer/mplayer.conf
[03:25] <paco_> thanks!
[03:26] <dabaR> or if the file dont tell you, read the referenced online manual pages, known as manpages. the ones on the top of the dile.
[03:26] <dabaR> paco_: ^
[03:26] <djm62> When my laptop isn't plugged in and I close the lid, I want it to sleep: can somebody guide me as to what to modify in /etc/acpi/ to make this happen?
[03:26] <Seveas> djm62, /etc/acpi/lid.sh is a start
[03:26] <paco_> thanks guys. gonna test this out. ttyl
[03:27] <Bad_Magic> seveas: no dice
[03:27] <djm62> Seveas: yeah, I modified that in a way that I thought was right, but it now sleeps if I close the lid, then open it again, and I'm not sure what I'm missing
[03:28] <ksmurf> Can anyone tell me how I can repair my battery moniter in breezy?
[03:28] <Seveas> djm62, then you put it at the wrong part :)
[03:28] <locomorto> ksmurf: whats wrong with it?
[03:28] <dabaR> heh, the menu.lst file says: "Pretty colours"
[03:29] <sorush20> Seveas: can you still ban.
[03:29] <Xenguy> hello - I installed Ubuntu on an old lap-top this weekend, and everything went nicely except for these *dreadful* fonts that appear everywhere now (menus, editors, you name it).  Also the screen resolution is 800X600, and AFAIK the windows installation was able to do better than that.  Can anyone suggest how I can improve the font appearance (and secondly, if possible, the screen resolution) ?
[03:29] <Seveas> sorush20, ?
[03:29] <hybrid> save me! someone talk me out of putting gento on my other computer
[03:30] <sorush20> Seveas: I don't see you as an Op
[03:30] <dabaR> hybrid: are you the hybrid_goth?
[03:30] <ksmurf> loco... it's not working.  No matter what the battery doesn't show it's charge and it always says I'm plugged in
[03:30] <jtan325> anyone here use amarok without kde?
[03:30] <dabaR> sorush20: he gets ops when he needs it.
[03:30] <Seveas> :)
[03:30] <Seveas> hybrid, do you like watching gcc output fly by?
[03:30] <dabaR> oh, I hate that.
[03:30] <sorush20> dabaR are you and op too..
[03:31] <dabaR> no.
[03:31] <dabaR> thanks for asking.
[03:31] <jk-> hybrid: http://funroll-loops.org/
[03:31] <Seveas> sorush20, /msg chanserv access #ubuntu list
[03:31] <hybrid> dabaR: yes
[03:31] <hybrid> Seveas: depends lol
[03:31] <ksmurf> loco... any idEAS?
[03:32] <DaaJeH> Hello
[03:32] <dabaR> hybrid_goth: well, then, what can I tell you...I definitely think you should try it.
[03:32] <djm62> damn, there isn't a right part
[03:32] <hybrid_goth> i wanna try portage
[03:33] <dabaR> hybrid_goth: if you like it better, all the better for you. And you are sure to learn something new, which is good.
[03:33] <BlueEagle> ksmurf: Have you checked to see if there's a but-report on that issue already?
[03:33] <hybrid_goth> dabaR: true
[03:33] <BlueEagle> bug-report
[03:33] <ksmurf> sudo apt-get install gstreamer0.8-lame
[03:33] <silverton> how do I find out what groups a user belongs to?
[03:33] <DaaJeH> I have a question!
[03:33] <thoreauputic> 8)
[03:33] <sorush20> This is to all the regular people on Ubuntu chan, A lot of the question here are about getting a computer to be a multimedia machine just like windows, Is there a project out there at searches your config and sets up your computer for you, eg, install Java, flash plugin, mplayer, xmms, acroread, xine, printer scanner,
[03:34] <Seveas> silverton, groups username_here
[03:34] <ksmurf> BlueEagle   I would if I knew where.... I saw something in the forums but the dates were old
[03:34] <snausages> hey guys, how can i let file roller spread my data into zip archives that are 9mb each?
[03:34] <Bad_Magic> sorush20: www.ubuntuguide.org
[03:34] <silverton> Seveas, thanks
[03:34] <Bad_Magic> has a walkthrough
[03:34] <dabaR> sorush20: search the forums, there is. I cant remember a keyword for you, like, easy, quick install, or something.
[03:34] <Bad_Magic> for the codec installs
[03:34] <Bad_Magic> and such
[03:34] <Seveas> sorush20, there is ongoing effort into making ubuntu rock
[03:35] <botbuilder> at least windows has decent installation stuff
[03:35] <Seveas> java and evince (pdf reader) are there to stay on breezy
[03:35] <locomorto> sorush20: EasyUbuntu
[03:35] <DaaJeH> When you minimize the window,it disapears
[03:35] <Seveas> botbuilder, rofl
[03:35] <thoreauputic> botbuilder: bah
[03:35] <DaaJeH> How do you get it back?
[03:35] <Seveas> windows installers are crap
[03:35] <dabaR> sorush20: locomorto's keyword is what I was thinking of.
[03:35] <BlueEagle> ksmurf: Then file one for breezy with your hardware. These features should be detected and work out of the box, and if it doesn't you should file a bug report. Especially since you're using preview softare.
[03:35] <botbuilder> seveas - well, im talking about the os install
[03:35] <thoreauputic> botbuilder: you are kidding right? apt/synaptic kicks windows butt
[03:35] <BlueEagle> software*
[03:35] <botbuilder> anyway, I
[03:35] <botbuilder> 've got probs with xwindows
[03:35] <Seveas> botbuilder, :|
[03:36] <dabaR> DaaJeH: are you using gnome? meaning, did you install ubuntu, or kubuntu?
[03:36] <Seveas> the windows installer is crap too :)
[03:36] <botbuilder> first off 'Console font generation' or somesuch fails
[03:36] <thoreauputic> botbuilder: and the OS install is easier, too
[03:36] <botbuilder> which seems fine cuz console works
[03:36] <ksmurf> Bot ... they do not.  Linux supports more types of hardware than Windoze.......  It's the vendors that provide the drivers that make windows even work
[03:36] <BlueEagle> sorush20: There is one but it is currently not working as w32codecs has mysteriously disappeard from the hoary-extras repository.
[03:36] <Plazma> hi all, i was working fine on my airport clamshell ibook and then all of a sudden i have no network, airport card is recognized, but now it wont let me ping or go anywhere
[03:36] <botbuilder> I get 'failed to start X server'
[03:36] <botbuilder> in a dialog box
[03:36] <BlueEagle> sorush20: I even think it's in the wiki or in ubuntuguide (last one is unofficial)
[03:36] <DaaJeH> dabar:I'm using ubuntu
[03:36] <botbuilder> and the screen is messed up with a ton of random charachters
[03:37] <botbuilder> never had problems with windows.
[03:37] <dabaR> botbuilder: please refrain from the enter a little. everything is scrolling off my screen.
[03:37] <wastrel> have they unsuckified the save file dialogs in the new gnome?
[03:37] <botbuilder> every linux distro ive tred has failed.
[03:37] <botbuilder> oh. sorry.
[03:37] <ksmurf> BlueEagle... i wasn't complaining bout the preview.  I know things are still being fixed..... I've never filed a bug report bug I'll try
[03:37] <dabaR> botbuilder: graphics card?
[03:37] <thoreauputic> botbuilder: and you blame that on linux? Prize for logical thinking...
[03:37] <BlueEagle> ksmurf: Thanks. :)
[03:37] <botbuilder> lol
[03:38] <BlueEagle> ksmurf: Only if people point out errors will they be fixed you know. :)
[03:38] <botbuilder> well, it does install ok
[03:38] <botbuilder> I can do stuff inside the console
[03:38] <cycom> awright! somone's head is going to roll! GAIM thinks 'Ubuntu' is a spelling mistake!!
[03:38] <dabaR> DaaJeH: do you have a window open now? do you have a bar on the bottom of the screen? does it show the open window in a little rectangle?
[03:38] <ksmurf> I know ..... I'll try to word it right
[03:38] <botbuilder> startup vim lol
[03:38] <thoreauputic> cycom: hahah
[03:38] <BlueEagle> sorush20: https://wiki.ubuntu.com//RestrictedFormats#head-0fe260de2044dc5389a0314a55a72f59dd67f586
[03:38] <dabaR> botbuilder: vim is no laughing matter:) what graphs card?
[03:38] <botbuilder> radeon X700
[03:39] <dabaR> botbuilder: ask ubotu about ati
[03:39] <botbuilder> the newness could be a prob
[03:39] <BlueEagle> sorush20: just need to be fixed so it doesn't err out on not finding w32codecs.
[03:39] <ksmurf> I'll use the bug report tool... Is that ok Blue Eagle?
[03:39] <BlueEagle> ksmurf: That should be "the right way"(tm) to file a bug report.
[03:39] <ksmurf> on a funny note.... Am I a geek if I bring my laptop to bed with me?
[03:40] <sorush20> BlueEagle: thanks..
[03:40] <dabaR> ksmurf: no.
[03:40] <dabaR> or yes, define geek.
[03:40] <silverton> wow, guild wars looks fscked up in cedega >.>
[03:40] <DaaJeH> dabar: I do have 2 windows open, and I do have a bar on the buttom,but it doesn't show a little rectagle
[03:40] <thoreauputic> ksmurf: no, a pervert ;-)
[03:40] <pc22> how can i have a local linux network neighborhood?
[03:40] <botbuilder> uboto, ati
[03:40] <DaaJeH> There is in the corner a Trash thing
[03:41] <botbuilder> uboto ati
[03:41] <thoreauputic> !ati
[03:41] <ubotu> [ati]  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI, or http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=24557&page=1&pp=10&highlight=fglrx
[03:41] <dabaR> DaaJeH: right click on the bar, a.k.a gnome-panel. add to panel. add window list
[03:41] <ksmurf> my wife says she's 8 moths prego so I might as well.....
[03:41] <Agrajag> his name is ubotu, why don't you just use tab completion?
[03:41] <dabaR> botbuilder: his name is ubotu.
[03:41] <botbuilder> eh
[03:41] <botbuilder> never got in the habit
[03:42] <silverton> !nvidia
[03:42] <ubotu> well, nvidia is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia
[03:42] <ssdd65> will a binary built for Linspire 5.0 (Debian k2.6.10), gcc/g++ 3.3.5 run on ubuntu?
[03:42] <botbuilder> usually i type the first 4 letters or so of someones name and leave it at that
[03:42] <thoreauputic> botbuilder: now is a good time to start :)
[03:42] <botbuilder> ok, thoreauputic
[03:42] <sorush20> BlueEagle: I think it would be fantastic.. if the features were added at first boot after an internet connection is detected.. I'm assuming there are rules against it distribution on the UbuntuCD
[03:42] <thoreauputic> botbuilder: aha! i actually saw that you were addressing me!
[03:42] <thoreauputic> *grin*
[03:42] <botbuilder> ;)
[03:42] <DaaJeH> dabar: Thank you very much
[03:43] <DaaJeH> I got it now
[03:43] <dabaR> DaaJeH: worked? wanna know another way to switch b/w windows?
[03:43] <sorush20> *grin*
[03:43] <ksmurf> is there a way to autheticate the extra repo?
[03:43] <DaaJeH> Yes dabar
[03:43] <thoreauputic> botbuilder: in a busy channel unless you tab-complete, people will miss what you say
[03:43] <BlueEagle> "Well, this is a great development for Vorbis hardware support. From January 2006 onwards all Golf, Golf Plus and Touran models will offer an USB port, which support USB sticks with music. Supported formats include MP3, WAV, WMA and Ogg Vorbis."  <= This has to be "a good thing"(tm), don't you think?
[03:43] <ssdd65> will a binary built for Linspire 5.0 (Debian k2.6.10), gcc/g++ 3.3.5 run on ubuntu?
[03:44] <sorush20> it could be less  easier if someone developed threaded IRC
[03:44] <dabaR> alt+tab, I use that all the time. Also, check out System>Prefs>Windows(or the like) find default behavior for double clicking the title bar, and change to roll up, then save out of that window thing, and double click on a windows title bar.
[03:44] <sybariten> anyone know how to get this character: "|"  on a Macintosh?
[03:44] <dabaR> DaaJeH: ^
[03:44] <ksmurf> sudo apt-get install w32codecs
[03:44] <dabaR> sybariten: what mac?
[03:44] <ksmurf> oops
[03:44] <Plazma> hi all, i was working fine on my airport clamshell ibook and then all of a sudden i have no network, airport card is recognized, but now it wont let me ping or go anywhere
[03:44] <sybariten> a.k.a. the biggest marketing plot ever conceived for a lame ass piece of shite machine
[03:44] <sybariten> its an iMac DV
[03:45] <BlueEagle> sorush20: Well, these are not open standards and thus they are depreciated as long as there are open standards of equal or better quality. Ogg Vorbis is a very good replacement for mp3.
[03:45] <DaaJeH> CoOl
[03:45] <DaaJeH> Thank you very much
[03:45] <dabaR> $20
[03:45] <dabaR> hah
[03:45] <ssdd65> will a binary built for Linspire 5.0 (Debian k2.6.10), gcc/g++ 3.3.5 run on ubuntu?
[03:45] <DaaJeH> lol
[03:45] <dabaR> ssdd65: why are you trying to use that?
[03:46] <BlueEagle> ssdd65: Which binary?
[03:46] <sorush20> quit
[03:46] <ssdd65> because i really dont want to complie the program from sorce
[03:46] <BlueEagle> ssdd65: which program?
[03:46] <ssdd65> its a binary for NVU
[03:46] <dabaR> sybariten: are you sure your kybd does not just show you what to press? try the fn key...
[03:46] <johndarkhorse> !tell ssdd65 about nvu
[03:47] <BlueEagle> johndarkhorse: Dang, you beat me to it. :p
[03:47] <ssdd65> NVU
[03:47] <dabaR> | is a common POSIX thing, and mac osX is POSIX compliant, I believe.
[03:47] <ssdd65> html editor
[03:47] <sybariten> dabaR: uh?  ...  and there are no Fn keys on desktop machines
[03:47] <BlueEagle> ssdd65: read what ubotu told you.
[03:47] <johndarkhorse> sybariten: use shift+\
[03:47] <ssdd65> i did...
[03:47] <johndarkhorse> sybariten: on a us keyboard anyway
[03:48] <johndarkhorse> ssdd65: using pkgs made for other distros can cause ubuntu to fail
[03:48] <dabaR> BlueEagle: sent him the nvu factoid?
[03:48] <ssdd65> o
[03:48] <BlueEagle> dabar: johndarkhorse did.
[03:48] <dabaR> heh, its up there.
[03:48] <ssdd65> so should i try a compile?
[03:48] <WebLOCH> Hello all
[03:48] <Inf3ctedfx> Hi, ppl, what is the commando to install debian packges? is:  dkpg?
[03:48] <WebLOCH> Hi again dabaR
[03:48] <apokryphos> dpkg -i <package>
[03:48] <dabaR> ssdd65: you should read the referenced docs.
[03:48] <sybariten> and i would never run os X, at least running *nix makes me not throw this machine out the balcony and onto the street ...
[03:48] <dabaR> hey, WebLOCH .
[03:48] <WebLOCH> I am back with even more questions
[03:49] <WebLOCH> This time simpler I hope :P
[03:49] <sybariten> johndarkhorse: come to think of it ... i dont even know how to make a \
[03:49] <Inf3ctedfx> thx apokryphos
[03:49] <get_VoIP_here> Uhhh - you again
[03:49] <sybariten> its not written on the kb
[03:49] <get_VoIP_here> (just kidding
[03:49] <dabaR> Inf3ctedfx: why are you installing a .deb instead of through synaptic/aptitude?
[03:49] <johndarkhorse> ssdd65: the instructions are quite easy to follow from the factoid
[03:49] <ssdd65> unless there is a ubuntu package out there for it...?
[03:49] <ssdd65> ok
[03:49] <johndarkhorse> sybariten: look under the "delete" key
[03:49] <Inf3ctedfx> well, dabaR , I'm installing Skype
[03:50] <dabaR> ok, valid reason.
[03:50] <dabaR> Inf3ctedfx: read the wiki page on installing? ask ubotu about skype
[03:50] <get_VoIP_here> Inf3ctedfx: Ahhhh!!! Skype is eeeeeeeeeeeeeevil....
[03:50] <WebLOCH> Does anyone know of a way to test to see if a repository has been added correctly?
[03:50] <jk-> heh
[03:51] <jk-> WebLOCH: how do you mean added?
[03:51] <Inf3ctedfx> get_VoIP_here: what about Gizmo Project?
[03:51] <apokryphos> WebLOCH: apt-get update would fail if the syntax in the file was incorrect
[03:51] <dabaR> WebLOCH: try installing something from it. if it reloads when you update the package list, its good
[03:51] <BlueEagle> webloch: if you run sudo apt-get update and don't get any error messages it has been added correctly.
[03:51] <ssdd65> nice... it says the one for linspire will work....
[03:51] <BlueEagle> webloch: if you're looking for w32codecs it's mysteriously disappeared from hoary-extras.
[03:51] <dabaR> BlueEagle: know about aptitude?
[03:51] <WebLOCH> Well I have added the Hoary Extras repository, however the JDK and JRE do not show up
[03:51] <sambagirl> will  MAMBO RUN under ubuntu?
[03:51] <Inf3ctedfx> !skype
[03:51] <ubotu> [skype]  http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SkypeHowto/, or deb http://download.skype.com/linux/repos/debian/ stable non-free
[03:51] <Seveas> WebLOCH, run apt-get update. If it errors out there's an error :)
[03:51] <sybariten> johndarkhorse: well thats maybe the best part ... the machine has no "delete" key
[03:51] <johndarkhorse> BlueEagle: send them to the right place now
[03:51] <ksmurf> !w32codecs
[03:51] <ubotu> w32codecs is a set of codecs for popular audio/video formats (wmv etc). Install w32codecs from the hoary-extras repository. AMD64? See http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=54399 Legal issues: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[03:51] <jk-> WebLOCH: or just 'apt-cache show <package that should be in repo>'
[03:51] <WebLOCH> No errors, just not finding somethingf I expected
[03:52] <BlueEagle> dabar: No, I haven't read up on it yet. Do you want to tell me about it?
[03:52] <apokryphos> WebLOCH: they were taken out of there, that's why. :)
[03:52] <WebLOCH> haha
[03:52] <BlueEagle> apokryphos: I use TAB to autocomplete nicks.
[03:52] <WebLOCH> Someone should update the wiki
[03:52] <Seveas> jk-, that only works after an apt-get update ;)
[03:52] <jk-> that'll tell you about all the versions of <package> that are available
[03:52] <ssdd65> thanks
[03:52] <jk-> Seveas: yep :)
[03:52] <Seveas> WebLOCH, what are you looking for?
[03:52] <WebLOCH> JDK and JRE
[03:52] <WebLOCH> JDK more importantly
[03:52] <apokryphos> WebLOCH: they're no longer there; legal reasons.
[03:53] <dabaR> BlueEagle: sure, it uses apt-get. if you were to install a package with 5 deps, and then decide you dont want the package any more, and remove it using aptitude, aptitude will remove the dependencies it installed along with it, thus kkeeoping your system cleaner.
[03:53] <sybariten> i mean, after all ... why would one need a delete key when theres a backspace key??  Why would one need two or more mouse buttons, when you can have just one?   Why would you need such things as 'choices' when our big american computer company can fix it all for you instead ?
[03:53] <BlueEagle> apokryphos: -irssi- completion_nicks_lowercase = ON
[03:53] <apokryphos> Blue-Box: ah :)
[03:53] <johndarkhorse> sybariten: you on a extended mac kb?
[03:53] <WebLOCH> I thought Sun had finally agreed to allow the JRE to be licenced for install with distributions?
[03:53] <BlueEagle> apokryphos: ...and speaking of auto completing nicks...
[03:53] <WebLOCH> Damnit!
[03:53] <f_newton> !hoary extras
[03:53] <ubotu> f_newton: Are you smoking crack?
[03:53] <Seveas> WebLOCH, nope
[03:53] <dabaR> jk-: same thing for you with apt-get. aptitude search works.
[03:53] <WebLOCH> Evil
[03:53] <f_newton> !extras
[03:53] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, extras is For extra repositories, check out http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969
[03:53] <WebLOCH> Is there another easy way of installing ?
[03:53] <sybariten> read my lips kids - Macintosh, and all thats apple, are made for computer IDIOTS by money-greedy corporate IDIOTS
[03:53] <apokryphos> BlueEagle: not that I care about hte output-method obviously, just thought you may not know :).
[03:54] <Seveas> sybariten, language..
[03:54] <sybariten> johndarkhorse: what does extended mean in this case ?
[03:54] <apokryphos> WebLOCH: nope
[03:54] <sybariten> Seveas: yeah yeah yeah ...
[03:54] <BlueEagle> seveas: "macintosh" is considered profanity now? o.O
[03:54] <sybariten> in my vocabulary, it soon is
[03:54] <apokryphos> BlueEagle: you didn't complete that ... ;-)
[03:54] <fysa> I'm installing Hoary so I can immediatelye upgrade to Breezy (Breezy install froze at detecting partitions) -- should I reboot into Breezy as soon as it's finished?
[03:54] <Seveas> lol BlueEagle :)
[03:55] <BlueEagle> apokryphos: I didn't complete what?
[03:55] <Seveas> anyhow 4AM her
[03:55] <fysa> and just boot off of the CD?
[03:55] <dabaR> fysa: it should start breezy as soon as you are finished.
[03:55] <Seveas> here*
[03:55] <herbalchild> i need some help:(, i cant sudo..i give it the password and it errors...i can su with the same password but sudo doesent work, and if i load an application that asks for root password it errors after i give it that pass
[03:55] <dabaR> later.
[03:55] <fossa> hi. i have a dell latitude d610, and the ubuntu linux won't recognize my wireless network. it's WPA security, and the wireless card is an intel.
[03:55] <Seveas> mv /proc/self /dev/bed
[03:55] <Seveas> sleep
[03:55] <dabaR> later.
[03:55] <apokryphos> BlueEagle: "and speaking of auto completing nicks..." unless that's not mean to be a run-on to another sentence. :)
[03:55] <WebLOCH> fossa have you installed the ndiswrapper module?
[03:55] <apokryphos> s/mean/meant
[03:55] <fossa> no (unless it is installed as part of the base)
[03:55] <fysa> dabaR: I have Hoary and Breezy .ISO burned -- as soon as Hoary is done installing, should I reboot and boot off the Breezy CD?  Will it detect Hoary and upgrade automagically?  Or will I need to use synaptic and do it that way?
[03:56] <BlueEagle> apokryphos: I was refering to: 03:52 < apokryphos> Blue-Box: ah :)
[03:56] <djm62> ping
[03:56] <WebLOCH> fossa I will get you a link for the guide
[03:56] <fossa> ok
[03:56] <WebLOCH> You have to compile the ndiswrapper and load it as a module
[03:56] <djm62> editing lid.sh was a red herring
[03:56] <herbalchild> Seveas do you know how i can fix this pasword issue?
[03:56] <WebLOCH> you will also need the WinXP driver for your card
[03:56] <apokryphos> BlueEagle: hah, indeed. I'm missing the tab-autocomplete-last-nick to tell you the truth (the only feature I'm missing since left konversation).
[03:56] <sambagirl> will  MAMBO RUN under ubuntu?
[03:56] <johndarkhorse> sybariten: the key right above your "enter" key (on the far right) is the | key
[03:56] <dabaR> herbalchild: I do. you can su?
[03:57] <herbalchild> yes
[03:57] <herbalchild> i can su but no sudo
[03:57] <dabaR> so you have a root account enabled?
[03:57] <silverton> When is the kernel source for 2.6.12 going to be released?
[03:57] <djm62> the real solution was mv lid.sh lid.sh.bak&& ln -s sleep.sh lid.sh
[03:57] <WebLOCH> fossa : https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WiFiHowto
[03:57] <silverton> er, put in a repository
[03:57] <WebLOCH> Go on from there
[03:57] <gamer7> how can i run winetools - PLZ help
[03:57] <concept10> sambagirl: yes
[03:57] <dabaR> sambagirl: what is MAMBO? heh
[03:57] <sambagirl> thank you concept
[03:57] <fossa> if i get on the internet via the ethernet port, is there a way i can update all this stuff with synaptic?
[03:57] <herbalchild> yea i can su, but no sudo
[03:57] <sambagirl> what is mambo? :)
[03:58] <dabaR> herbalchild: sudo uses your password, not the root one, try hat one.
[03:58] <BlueEagle> herbalchild: Are you in the admin or adm group?
[03:58] <sambagirl> i dont understand what it is
[03:58] <holycow> content managemetn system
[03:58] <silverton> um...nevermind
[03:58] <djm62> the content engine?
[03:58] <concept10> sambagirl: why ask if it will run if you dont know what it is?
[03:58] <silverton> forgot, it's linux-source   not kernel-source
[03:58] <holycow> that just went through a fork
[03:58] <holycow> and get this, they named the fork 'joomla'
[03:58] <sambagirl> i am on the website looking at it and i can download it if i want to so i was just curious
[03:58] <holycow> >_<
[03:58] <herbalchild> says in not the suedoers file incident will be reported
[03:58] <herbalchild> *im
[03:59] <WebLOCH> fossa - what stuff do you want to update?
[03:59] <get_VoIP_here> Inf3ctedfx: I guess it depends if you are just using it for PC>PC or PC>Phone
[03:59] <get_VoIP_here> lol
[03:59] <dabaR> herbalchild: are you using a hoary install?
[03:59] <djm62> sambagirl: it isn't in my package lists, but you can download and install it manually most likely
[03:59] <herbalchild> yea
[03:59] <get_VoIP_here> Inf3ctedfx: Gizmo actually looks pretty cool. I havent seen it before
[03:59] <get_VoIP_here> Inf3ctedfx: take a look at x-lite
[03:59] <fossa> this ndis stuff
[03:59] <BlueEagle> sambagirl: If you're interested in running Linux inside Mambo, you can download the kernel patch here. ftp://ftp.linuxppc64.org/pub/people/cyeoh/mambo-linux-patches/
[03:59] <Inf3ctedfx> x-lite
[03:59] <Inf3ctedfx> ok
[03:59] <sambagirl> thank you
[03:59] <Inf3ctedfx> cuz I already have VoIP
[03:59] <dabaR> herbalchild: su, then adduser $username(your user name, dunno how much you kknow...) admin
[03:59] <BlueEagle> sambagirl: It's the first thing that pops up when you google for: mambo linux
[03:59] <dabaR> adduser herbalchild admin
[04:00] <benkong2> can I install jdk 5.0 in breezy in /opt for use with eclipse and netbeans? on breezy amd-k8
[04:00] <cevizoglu> robotgeek: are you there?
[04:00] <Inf3ctedfx> but I've been using Gizmo.. and is pretty good
[04:00] <herbalchild> kk
[04:00] <concept10> BlueEagle: Linux inside mambo? wrong link...
[04:00] <bz0b> hey all
[04:00] <WebLOCH> get_VoIP_here,  Because apt-get is clearly superior
[04:00] <dabaR> yo bz0b
[04:00] <djm62> BlueEagle: I'm pretty sure that's not the one
[04:00] <freebase`> where can i locate the apt-get server list?
[04:00] <sambagirl> is only 107kb
[04:00] <sambagirl> wow
[04:00] <WebLOCH> /etc/apt/sources.list
[04:00] <benkong2> apt-get can install the jdk?
[04:00] <locomorto> freebase: /etc/apt/sources.list
[04:00] <herbalchild> "the group "admin" doesent exist"
[04:01] <concept10> sambagirl: Thanks not the Mambo CMS
[04:01] <bz0b> hey guys, I just setup my own SIP server, and even got it working with pin numbers, and even have it setup to a phone number :-)
[04:01] <freebase`> WebLOCH, : thanks
[04:01] <apokryphos> benkong2: currently, for hoary, no.
[04:01] <WebLOCH> No problem
[04:01] <sambagirl> what means CMS?
[04:01] <WebLOCH> Content Management System usually
[04:01] <concept10> sambagirl: Content Management System
[04:01] <sambagirl> i used to know linux
[04:01] <get_VoIP_here> WebLOCH: I dont see how one or the other is superior, but what good does it do if its not in a repo?
[04:01] <pudland> hi all
[04:01] <BlueEagle> djm62: Well, I don't know what mambo is either, I just gave her the first thing google spat out. Also since she doesn't know what mambo does she probably won't know if it works or not. :)
[04:01] <sambagirl> 1.0
[04:01] <cevizoglu> herbalchild: the default admin group on ubuntu is called "root"
[04:01] <benkong2> apokryphos; i'm on breezy
[04:01] <fossa> thanks for the help. i'm going to go read all this stuff now.
[04:01] <sambagirl>  and Sco unix and xenix
[04:01] <freebase`> locomorto, thanks to you too =)
[04:01] <locomorto> Mambo pretty nice
[04:01] <dabaR> herbalchild: did you install hoary, or upgrade from warty?
[04:01] <sambagirl> ahh ok
[04:01] <locomorto> Mambo's*
[04:01] <sambagirl> i explore it
[04:01] <apokryphos> benkong2: seveas.ubuntulinux.nl
[04:02] <dabaR> herbalchild: please prepend your message to me with my nick, so I can see it.
[04:02] <WebLOCH> get_VoIP_here,  I understand what you are saying, but I feel that apt-get is much better than separate binaries
[04:02] <BlueEagle> sambagirl: Did you want the CMS called mambo?
[04:02] <benkong2> apokryphos; thanks
[04:02] <herbalchild> dabaR, fresh install
[04:02] <concept10> I still dont understand why some one wants to download and install some app they dont know about
[04:02] <daaku> anyone using a powerbook and the appletouch trackpad driver? i cant get it to work as a synaptics device (works as normal mouse)
[04:02] <sambagirl> ahh it is a PHP mysql content management system
[04:02] <herbalchild> dabaR, ive installed plenty of times in the past with no problems
[04:02] <sambagirl> yes
[04:02] <dabaR> herbalchild: have gnome?
[04:02] <herbalchild> dabaR, yea im on gnome now
[04:02] <concept10> sambagirl: is that what you want?
[04:02] <pudland> any good sites for promgramming
[04:02] <sambagirl> i think so
[04:03] <sambagirl> mamboserver
[04:03] <sambagirl> something like that
[04:03] <sambagirl> i am looking at it on another thingy
[04:03] <jk-> daaku: yep, i'm using appletouch
[04:03] <bz0b> jk-, what is appletouch?
[04:03] <concept10> sambagirl: are you trying to create a website?
[04:03] <sambagirl> willubuntu run on amiga?
[04:03] <sambagirl> sure all the time concept
[04:03] <jk-> bz0b: driver for touchpad on powerbooks > Jan 2005
[04:03] <ksmurf> have the w32 codec been removed from the extra repo.... I can't find them
[04:04] <bz0b> jk-, ahh
[04:04] <concept10> I smell trollllll
[04:04] <Shadowpillar> ColonelKernel: who me?
[04:04] <Shadowpillar> er
[04:04] <sambagirl> i am trying to learn something new
[04:04] <daaku> jk-: did you do anything special to get it working as a synaptics device? i compiled it, put it in /lib/modules... and loaded the module. so my trackpad works, but the synaptics driver doesnt seem to like it
[04:04] <Shadowpillar> concept10: who me?
[04:04] <apokryphos> ksmurf: yes
[04:04] <spazz> how do i install a .iso file?
[04:04] <Shadowpillar> is it too late to request a package be added to ubuntu?
[04:04] <djm62> sambagirl: http://packages.debian.org/experimental/web/mambo
[04:04] <ksmurf> They have been removed...K thanks
[04:04] <jk-> daaku: I'm not using the synaptics driver at all.
[04:04] <locomorto> ksmurf: you can try marillat though (some people like to say it fucks up you comp
[04:04] <WebLOCH> spazz - generally you do not install ISO files
[04:04] <jk-> you shouldn't need it.
[04:04] <sambagirl> thank you dj
[04:04] <locomorto> spazz: you burn it to a cd
[04:05] <johndarkhorse> spazz: you dont. you burn it with a cdburning tool
[04:05] <Shadowpillar> marillat is out of sync with ubuntu now
[04:05] <spazz> duh ><
[04:05] <ksmurf> locom.... k thanks
[04:05] <spazz> thanks
[04:05] <djm62> sambagirl: and if you have debian on amiga already, there's no reason not to run mambo on it.  ubuntu sticks to more...extant platforms ;)
[04:05] <daaku> jk-: ah. not using the edge scrolling or double tap features?
[04:05] <spazz> so what should i use to burn it?
[04:05] <Shadowpillar> what is mambo?
[04:05] <jk-> daaku: oh, nope.
[04:05] <spazz> does ubuntu come with one?
[04:05] <sambagirl> i love amiga operating system
[04:05] <sambagirl> i not polute it with anything
[04:06] <joseduenas_> hello
[04:06] <herbalchild>  anyone have any ideas for me? i cab su but i cannot sudo
[04:06] <WebLOCH> you sound vaguely unhinged
[04:06] <Inf3ctedfx> dabaR: How can I remove a package that I just install, from terminal?
[04:06] <cevizoglu> herbalchild: is your account in sudoers?
[04:06] <joseduenas_> I need a skype-like but with webcam support, do you know any?
[04:06] <djm62> herbalchild: do you have multiple users on your computer?
[04:06] <daaku> jk-: another question, are you using a US keyboard? (i'm too lazy to make a keymap & xkb)
[04:06] <Shadowpillar> I wanna get debian on a 68k machine
[04:06] <WebLOCH> Inf3ctedfx, you use apt-get remove
[04:06] <xerxas_> someone using NetworkMananger ?
[04:06] <dabaR> what is the command to run the gnome adduser gui?
[04:06] <Inf3ctedfx> ok
[04:06] <Inf3ctedfx> thx WebLOCH
[04:06] <herbalchild> says im not in suedoers file and no im the only user
[04:06] <sambagirl> shadow it runs on amiga
[04:06] <dabaR> WebLOCH: you use sudo aptitude remove packagename
[04:07] <sambagirl> 680x0
[04:07] <djm62> herbalchild: find and edit the sudoers file?
[04:07] <cevizoglu> herbalchild: you can su to root?
[04:07] <herbalchild> yes
[04:07] <durt> whats wrong with console adduser, dabar?
[04:07] <jk-> daaku: yep, but with F11 & F12 mapped to button2 & button3 (though i believe ubuntu does this by default)
[04:07] <WebLOCH> dabaR i know i wasnt asking
[04:07] <cevizoglu> herbalchild, su to root, then add yourself in /etc/sudoers
[04:07] <pudland> ?where can i find the source code for xmms on my pc?
[04:07] <herbalchild> kk, gonna give that a shot
[04:07] <alexandros> hello is there a way to find out what is running and on what port it is binded?
[04:07] <jk-> pudland: apt-get source xmms
[04:07] <dabaR> WebLOCH: you gave wrong answer. install and remove everything with aptitude from a terminal, it handles dependencies better,
[04:08] <djm62> herbalchild: my entry looks like "djm62   ALL=(ALL) ALL"
[04:08] <jk-> alexandros: netstat -apnA inet
[04:08] <alexandros> jk: thank you
[04:08] <djm62> alexandros: netstat is the command
[04:08] <herbalchild> hmm
[04:08] <WebLOCH> dabaR well I use apt-get because its my preference, he stated that was what he was using so I just replied with that...
[04:08] <pudland> jk-  where would it place the source?
[04:08] <jk-> (or 'netstat -apt' or tcp-only, -apu for udp)
[04:08] <BlueEagle> sambagirl: To install mambo you need Apache, MySQL and PHP (all availible in ubuntu afaik=
[04:09] <jk-> pudland: in the current dir
[04:09] <BlueEagle> )
[04:09] <pudland> jk- thanks
[04:09] <joseduenas_> I need a skype-like but with webcam support, do you know any?
[04:09] <silverton> !nvidia
[04:09] <ubotu> well, nvidia is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia
[04:09] <djm62> joseduenas_: who do you need to be compatible with?
[04:09] <daaku> jk-: oh nice. could i get copies of both? if you dont mind..
[04:10] <dabaR> WebLOCH: if you tell someone to apt-get install xfce4 for example. And then after a day, they decide to remove it, and do so, they will be left with a lot of xfce4 packages on their system. if they use aptitude, they all packages installed when the xfce4 package was installed will be removed. Hence, if he wants to remove something he just installed, he should have installed it with aptitude, and removed it with it.
[04:10] <djm62> joseduenas_: gnomemeeting is compatible with netmeeting, and it looks like they're solving the issues with NAT
[04:10] <jk-> daaku: copies of what?
[04:10] <herbalchild> in sudoers i added herbalchild ALL=(ALL) ALL under root	ALL=(ALL) ALL hopefuly itll work
[04:10] <sambagirl> is mysql included in ubuntu?
[04:10] <daaku> jk-: the keymap and xkb
[04:10] <djm62> sambagirl: yes
[04:10] <silverton> is there a forum post on how to install nvidia's official drivers?
[04:11] <sambagirl> thanks dj
[04:11] <jk-> daaku: ahh, i'm just using the default maps...
[04:11] <joseduenas_> djm62, but I need some without problems with NAT
[04:11] <herbalchild> good stuff...it works fine
[04:11] <djm62> sambagirl: to find these things, the command would be "apt-cache search mysql" for instance
[04:11] <joseduenas_> djm62, not yet
[04:11] <daaku> jk-: do pageup/pagedown work for you?
[04:11] <pudland> jk- is gedit a compiler? thats what it opens in?
[04:11] <herbalchild> ty everyone...ive been gone for awhile...great to see the community is still good helpfull people
[04:11] <dabaR> herbalchild: it is weird you dont have the admin group, tho, in hoary.
[04:11] <BlueEagle> sambagirl: apt-cache search mysql-server yelds amongst others: mysql-server - mysql database server binaries
[04:11] <djm62> joseduenas_: who do you need to talk to?
[04:11] <BlueEagle> sambagirl: so, yes.
[04:11] <jk-> daaku: no, i haven't tried to do any of the fn-key bindings.
[04:11] <alexandros> dj2m62: thank you
[04:11] <daaku> jk-: i've got the F11,F12 working
[04:11] <joseduenas_> djm62, with another person who is also behind NAT
[04:11] <cevizoglu> herbalchild: make sure there is no "#" at the start of the line, or it won't work
[04:11] <jk-> ok then.
[04:11] <herbalchild> dabaR, yea it is...ive installed tons of times...never with that issue
[04:11] <daaku> jk-: ah. ok
[04:12] <djm62> joseduenas_: what's wrong with skype?
[04:12] <joseduenas_> djm62, I want video
[04:12] <herbalchild> ebay bought skype
[04:12] <jk-> but i have a (kernel) patch to remap the fn-key to right-control.
[04:12] <silverton> hmm...  herbalchild, you have a demonoid account?
[04:12] <herbalchild> u dont remember me silverton??
[04:12] <djm62> joseduenas_: can either of you get into the DMZ?
[04:12] <jk-> but it's a bit of a stop-gap solution :D
[04:12] <herbalchild> herbal...and ummmm magog
[04:12] <silverton> herbalchild, I didn't think there were two losers with your nick ;D
[04:12] <herbalchild> i had it out with darb like crazu
[04:13] <nomasteryoda|w> herbalchild, well then it will be banned by businesses.... ebay url is banned in some locations
[04:13] <BlueEagle> sambagirl: you will need to install it with sudo apt-get install mysql-server but that is doable. Also apache and php need to be installed.
[04:13] <herbalchild> no im the ONLY herbalchild
[04:13] <joseduenas_> djm62, no, is a student dorm (not access to router)
[04:13] <BlueEagle> sambagirl: Not sure how wellconfigured apache/php is by default, but the documentation is extensive. (php.net for example)
[04:13] <daaku> jk-: ah. i have some fn patch applied too. guess i'm gonna have to make my own xkb/keymap's
[04:13] <dabaR> BlueEagle: use aptitude:)
[04:13] <joseduenas_> djm62, if I could access I know what ports redirectr
[04:13] <silverton> I'm starting to get annoyed with  ubuntu...  prolly gonna run back to debian
[04:14] <BlueEagle> dabar: Old habits. :)
[04:14] <tritium> silverton, what's annoying you?
[04:14] <sambagirl> ok i will play RTCW then Enemy Territory and then True Combat and then watch tv :D
[04:14] <silverton> I can't install the official nvidia drivers
[04:14] <sambagirl> then i will look at documentation
[04:14] <djm62> joseduenas_: you might be able to get a more bleeding edge build of gnomemeeting with more support for rendevous/zeroconf/upnp/blah
[04:14] <tritium> silverton, sure you can
[04:14] <BlueEagle> dabar: But yes, aptitude would be "the bettery way"(tm)
[04:14] <joseduenas_> djm62, yes i know, I'll try to build a cvs version
[04:14] <silverton> it's giving me a bunch of shit about my kernel source not being installed, when I told it where it was, it started to build the nvidia module, then it said it failed to load, and that it was cause the kernel source wasn't there
[04:14] <tritium> ubotu, tell silverton about nvidia
[04:14] <silverton> and I had to smack myself in the forehead for it...
[04:15] <silverton> tritium, the official drivers, not what is packaged for ubuntu
[04:15] <_n00blar_> What's the command to make .deb package out of an rpm?
[04:15] <BlueEagle> dabar: "The better way" was already trademarked :(
[04:15] <cafuego_> Hmm. I bet having 3 files called '?' in / isn't good.
[04:15] <djm62> joseduenas_: other than that it sounds like you're out of luck: roll on IPv6
[04:15] <tritium> silverton, okay, install linux-headers-`uname -r` before you try
[04:15] <alexandros> can someone please help me I am having problem running mldonkey-server when the ui try to connect it says unable to find core
[04:15] <silverton> tritium, I did
[04:15] <joseduenas_> djm62, in my dreams... hehe
[04:16] <tritium> silverton, sounds like a problem with the source package, not with ubuntu
[04:16] <dabaR> _n00blar_: why are you doing that? where did you get the rpm, and why not install from synaptic?
[04:16] <djm62> joseduenas_: you're not in the same NAT-ed network or anything handy like that?
[04:16] <alexandros> but when I try to run the command it say it is already running
[04:16] <_n00blar_> dabaR, I got the new version of Limewire Pro and they only have rpm and zip
[04:17] <dabaR> _n00blar_: alien -i package.rpm might break your system
[04:17] <djm62> _n00blar_: use the zip...you don't need to install it
[04:17] <joseduenas_> djm62, no
[04:17] <dabaR> or use the zip yes
[04:17] <_n00blar_> djm62, dab, that should do, thanks
[04:17] <djm62> _n00blar_: keep it in your home directory, and add a shortcut to the panel to launch it, and forget about it
[04:18] <BlueEagle> djm62: Wouldn't a separat /usr/local partition be "the bettery way"(tm) so that several people can use it?
[04:18] <_n00blar_> djm62,  thanks will do
[04:18] <_n00blar_> dabaR, thanks for the tip
[04:18] <dabaR> yup
[04:19] <BlueEagle> djm62: Did you get that?
[04:19] <djm62> BlueEagle: sort of yes, on the other hand, computers are mostly personal, and it's not a lot of disk to waste
[04:20] <dabaR> and takes longer, involves sudo, and so on.
[04:20] <djm62> BlueEagle: if you have several people using it, the trick is getting them all sharing the same music library ;)
[04:20] <concept10> _n00blar_: Limewire is Java-based.  IIRC, you could unzip that download and run the runLime.sh script and it will launch
[04:20] <roxville> lol
[04:20] <roxville> but in, say, a classroom, it wouldn't be a bad idea
[04:20] <BlueEagle> djm62: That's why all my music is on mediaserver:library which is mounted as nfs on /media/music
[04:20] <_n00blar_> concept10, yeah, I'm going to try my luck and see if it uses java 1.5 instead of the one loaded by default on breeze
[04:21] <BlueEagle> that's mediaserver:musiclibrary
[04:21] <djm62> BlueEagle: on the same machine, just abstracted?
[04:21] <BlueEagle> djm62: No, got a separate media server in the hallway in a closet.
[04:21] <apokryphos> dabaR: woo, congrats. :)
[04:21] <nomad1> hey can any1 help
[04:21] <BlueEagle> nomad1: Not unless you ask a question.
[04:21] <nomad1> how do i configure boot loader from within ubuntu
[04:21] <nomad1> lol every1 says that lol
[04:22] <pepsi_> what program can i use to get a simple serial terminal?
[04:22] <nomad1> im using the 5.10 preview
[04:22] <pepsi_> minicom or something like that
[04:22] <pepsi_> ?
[04:22] <BlueEagle> nomad1: sudo gedit /boot/grub/menu.lst
[04:22] <_n00blar_> Ok, that works...using Limewire from zip and running the script will find the right version of java..1.5 that is!!
[04:22] <BlueEagle> or is it menu.1st?
[04:22] <djm62> hmmm, would actually be quite cool to have /home as nfs by default (breaking the "no services by default" rule)
[04:22] <dabaR> apokryphos: ya, its pretty cool. I will strip it a little, we will use openbox. a lab with computers that can boot off the CD and network configured with dhcp, a class of Unix newbies, from a unix class, what more can you ask for.
[04:22] <BlueEagle> it's .lst
[04:22] <djm62> pepsi_: minicom will do it
[04:22] <apokryphos> dabaR: spread the good news =)
[04:23] <nomad1> blue eagle do i do this in the terminal
[04:23] <djm62> pepsi_: just get the speed etc set right
[04:23] <BlueEagle> nomad1: yes, I don't think ALT+F2 takes sudo too well
[04:24] <dabaR> BlueEagle: console? alt+ctrl+fnum? takes sudo as well as anything else.
[04:24] <BlueEagle> God damned. I just got a deja-vu of something I dreamt about about two years ago typing just that very same thing...
[04:24] <BlueEagle> o.O
[04:24] <nomad1> lol i think i hav ot reinstall
[04:24] <apokryphos> gksudo when using alt+f2
[04:24] <nomad1> i dont recall setting a root password
[04:24] <djm62> woo, sleeping doesn't even interrupt my IRC session
[04:24] <dabaR> nomad1: there is none, it is your password.
[04:25] <BlueEagle> dabar: ALT+F2 (the default combination for the run-dialog in gnome) does not take sudo gedit /boot/grub/menu.lst
[04:25] <dabaR> BlueEagle: aha!
[04:25] <bipolar> does anyone know what might be causing any 3D app to use almost all the cpu and make the whole system lag w/ xorg's ati driver? glxinfo shows it's configured right.
[04:25] <ksmurf> could someone pm me the good addy for debian marralet to add to my sources.list file please?
[04:25] <delltony> hi anyone know how to play 3gp files in linux?
[04:25] <nomasteryoda|w> hiya delltony
[04:25] <dabaR> ksmurf: see, I could, but why do you want that?
[04:25] <BlueEagle> bipolar: It might be due to the fact that ATi made your gfx card </flamebait>
[04:25] <delltony> hey nomasteryoda|w pm me dude
[04:26] <djm62> delltony: realplayer will do them, oddly enough
[04:26] <roxville> ksmurf sometimes marillat is just plain down. you have to try later
[04:26] <dabaR> ksmurf: are you the guy that has that screen tutorial?
[04:26] <delltony> oh it will thats interesting to know
[04:26] <ksmurf> dabaR  .... W32codecs
[04:26] <bipolar> BlueEagle, I agree I like nvidia's better, but it's a laptop. :P
[04:26] <pc22> how do can windows network see my linux pc?
[04:26] <djm62> delltony: and helixplayer, presumably, since it's not a Real codec
[04:26] <ksmurf> which one?
[04:26] <bipolar> It's Xorg that top shows as using all the cpu
[04:26] <nomasteryoda|w> !tell pc22 about samba
[04:26] <dabaR> ksmurf: google for marillat w32codecs, and downlaod, and sudo dpkg -i package
[04:26] <delltony> so you recommend helixplayer?
[04:26] <dabaR> ksmurf: are you in the nun?
[04:26] <BlueEagle> pc22: by "windows network" do you mean the default "file and printer sharing" system (aka smb)?
[04:27] <ksmurf> nun?
[04:27] <pc22> yes
[04:27] <BlueEagle> pc22: You need to configure samba to share the folders you want to share.
[04:27] <dabaR> nm.
[04:27] <nomasteryoda|w> !ubotu, samba
[04:27] <ubotu> samba is, like, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SettingUpSamba or https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently
[04:27] <ksmurf> no..... Not the gamer
[04:27] <dabaR> ksomethingelse then
[04:27] <pc22> im using dhcp, how is that?
[04:27] <djm62> delltony: helixplayer is realplayer without the proprietary bits...I bite the bullet and use realplayer  because I watch the BBC news on the net
[04:27] <dabaR> !nun
[04:27] <ubotu> dabaR: Syntax error in line 1
[04:27] <dabaR> sorry
[04:27] <nomad1> i cant find on that site wat line to edit to set the default os to boot to
[04:27] <BlueEagle> pc22: dhcp is unrelated.
[04:27] <nomasteryoda|w> pc22, dhcp is only to give IP to your system
[04:27] <anethema> how stable is breezy right now?
[04:27] <BlueEagle> pc22: First you need to install samba.
[04:27] <anethema> a month from rel
[04:27] <delltony> djm62, where you find helixplayer?
[04:28] <cevizoglu> anethema: depends on your hardware setup
[04:28] <bz0b> by anychance, does anyone know if the powerbook has a pcmcia slot?
[04:28] <nomasteryoda|w> anethema, i only had 4 updates this weekend... pretty good
[04:28] <nomad1> blue eagle
[04:28] <nomad1> i cant find on that site wat line to edit to set the default os to boot to
[04:28] <pc22> wont it need a static ip?
[04:28] <_n00blar_> Any of you guys installed cedega and played some windows game with it?
[04:28] <BlueEagle> pc22: sudo apt-get install samba
[04:28] <dabaR> bz0b: not afaik
[04:28] <nomasteryoda|w> bz0b, what did papa google say?
[04:28] <delltony> nm
[04:28] <nomad1> i really appreciate it if u could just help on this one
[04:28] <cevizoglu> anethema: I just upgraded to breezy this weekend, and all my hardware works, including my wireless card
[04:28] <nomad1> i was using fedora b4 this
[04:28] <djm62> delltony: first result on helixplayer on google
[04:28] <anethema> yeah i dont have a wireless card or anything
[04:28] <BlueEagle> nomad1: I don't highlight on "blue eagle" just on "blueeagle". Please use that. Also type bluee and press TAB to auto-complete the nickname.
[04:28] <nomad1> i used yum not sudo
[04:28] <anethema> nforce3 mobo, ati vid card
[04:29] <dabaR> nomad1: look at what ubotu sent you.
[04:29] <anethema> nothing fancy
[04:29] <nomad1> ok sorry
[04:29] <nomasteryoda|w> anethema, should be fine
[04:29] <delltony> nah its helix-player on here i was typing it wrong
[04:29] <dabaR> dont be sorry.
[04:29] <anethema> hm, maybe ill switch hoary to breezy in my sources.list soon
[04:29] <anethema> :)
[04:29] <BlueEagle> pc22: holla at me when you've got samba installed and we'll take the next step.
[04:29] <vader1102> well it is gettiing closer to the official release of Breezy
[04:29] <nomad1> i look up grub but it doesnt give any useful tips
[04:29] <BlueEagle> nomad1: hang on.
[04:29] <delltony> nomasteryoda|w, you gettin my pm?
[04:30] <nomad1> here are the search results
[04:30] <nomad1>    1. ComoGrub
[04:30] <nomad1>    2. GrubError18PrzyUruchamianiu
[04:30] <nomad1>    3. GrubHowto
[04:30] <nomad1>    4. HowToMakeAGRUBBootFloppy
[04:30] <nomad1>    5. ItalianGuidaGrub
[04:30] <nomad1>    6. forum/installation/grub
[04:30] <nomad1> sorry about the dump
[04:30] <nomasteryoda|w> delltony, i opened a dialog box to you
[04:30] <dabaR> nomad1: what are you trying to get done?
[04:30] <nomad1> setting the default os to boot in grub
[04:30] <nomad1> i want it to be win xp
[04:30] <reiki> ack! :)
[04:30] <delltony> nomasteryoda|w, aren't you the one that had the v551 phone?
[04:31] <BlueEagle> nomad1: in menu.lst read what it sais after ## default num
[04:31] <nomasteryoda|w> er, nope
[04:31] <dabaR> ok, well, do you know how to use a terminal? you likely do since you used linux... nomad1
[04:31] <nomasteryoda|w> only had skype
[04:31] <Tony_L> Has anyone gotten the mouse wheel button to work in "Cruise Control" mode in Firefox? By "cruise control" I mean you press the wheel button and the circle w/arrows appear. Moving the mouse then scrolls the window. Works in Windows w/IE & Firefox...
[04:31] <enduro> ...
[04:31] <nomasteryoda|w> Tony_L, yes
[04:31] <nomad1> lol
[04:31] <nomad1> i used yum
[04:31] <reiki> Tony_L: mine works... sec... lemme confirm
[04:31] <nomad1> with fedora
[04:31] <Tony_L> Can you point me to a HOWTO or anything? I've looked all over...
[04:31] <djm62> delltony: in fact, do apt-cache search helix, it might already be in your sources
[04:31] <nomasteryoda|w> Tony_L, did you change the option in Firefox preferences?
[04:31] <nomad1> first time with ubuntu
[04:31] <dabaR> nomad1: did you use the terminal?
[04:31] <vader1102> Tony_L, yup
[04:31] <BlueEagle> nomad1: It's just a matter of counting the number of entries in your grub boot menu and set default 4 to load the 4th entry by default (after the timeout ofcourse)
[04:31] <nomad1> ## default grub root device
[04:31] <nomad1> i believe this is it?
[04:32] <Tony_L> No, I did not -- is there a preference for this?
[04:32] <Tony_L> I iwll look...
[04:32] <djm62> BlueEagle: grub counts from zero, no?
[04:32] <pepsi_> djm62, is there anything besides minicom? i want something less fancy
[04:32] <nomasteryoda|w> Tony_L, yes
[04:32] <dabaR> you have the file open? nomad1 ?
[04:32] <djm62> pepsi_: cat?
[04:32] <nomad1> ye
[04:32] <nomasteryoda|w> Tony_L, middle click and then it works
[04:32] <delltony> if i could only find out where the gain_table.bin file is on my phone i could fix my volume issue :)
[04:32] <djm62> pepsi_: what are you trying to do?
[04:32] <pepsi_> but then how do i setup the port?
[04:32] <vader1102> Tony_L,  it did it by default on all of my Hoary installs
[04:32] <pepsi_> i just want to talk to some serial devices that im working on
[04:32] <BlueEagle> nomad1: As I said: It's just a matter of counting the number of entries in your grub boot menu and set default 4 to load the 5th entry by default (after the timeout ofcourse)
[04:32] <reiki> Tony_L, I take that back... mine is no longer working
[04:32] <pepsi_> minicom wants to think theres a modem
[04:32] <nomasteryoda|w> delltony, phraking huh?
[04:32] <dabaR> nomad1: /join #flood
[04:32] <nomad1> wats that
[04:33] <djm62> pepsi_: have you googled the devices plus "linux"?  minicom doesn't insist on it being a modem
[04:33] <Tony_L> It works!! It seems to be a Firefox option..... Theank you all!!! You are great.
[04:33] <nomad1> BlueEagle, is sudo same as yum
[04:33] <nomasteryoda|w> Tony_L, welcome
[04:33] <delltony> helix-player doesn't play the 3gp files by the way
[04:33] <nomad1> like if i wanna install an app
[04:33] <nomad1> do i just do
[04:33] <dabaR> join #flood, nomad1
[04:33] <nomad1> sudo install
[04:33] <nomasteryoda|w> nomad1, sudo is like "root"
[04:33] <djm62> delltony: must be only realplayer for some reason...
[04:33] <pepsi_> djm62, they are my devices.. i am making them.. i just want a real simple terminal session via the serial port... cat would be fine, but how would i setup the port?
[04:33] <djm62> delltony: sorry, my mistake
[04:34] <nomasteryoda|w> nomad1, do this way
[04:34] <nomasteryoda|w> nomad1, sudo -s
[04:34] <nomasteryoda|w> enter password
[04:34] <nomasteryoda|w> apt-get update
[04:34] <nomasteryoda|w> apt-get install
[04:34] <nomasteryoda|w> and the program name
[04:34] <djm62> pepsi_: I've never done anything that low-level...you might be better off with some hand-rolled C?
[04:34] <nomasteryoda|w> or just run synaptic
[04:34] <BlueEagle> nomad1: ## default num  should be the 2nd section in menu.lst (6th line)
[04:35] <dabaR> nomad1: I suggest you read the wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo
[04:35] <delltony> any word of when the breezy backports will be available?
[04:35] <pepsi_> theres gotta be something i can use thats already made.. i just want to redirect stdin to serial TX and serial RX to stdout
[04:35] <nomasteryoda|w> delltony, have not heard... still using hoary here
[04:35] <nomasteryoda|w> hoarybackports that is
[04:35] <nomasteryoda|w> on breezy
[04:35] <dabaR> nomad1: the equivalent of yum is apt-get, aptitude and synaptic are user front-ends to apt-get
[04:35] <pc22> BlueEagle, i had this: E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[04:35] <pc22> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[04:36] <nomad1> can i get yum
[04:36] <nomad1> for ubuntu
[04:36] <vader1102> This is kind of kool, I am using an older iMAC with Ubuntu, quite nice so far
[04:36] <dabaR> nomad1: you dont want it, learn the proper way.
[04:36] <nomasteryoda|w> pc22, did you type sudo -s?
[04:36] <jk-> pc22: you have another apt-get/etc running?
[04:36] <nomad1> lol k
[04:36] <nomad1> how come ubuntu rates better than fc4
[04:36] <nomad1> wat are the reasons
[04:36] <BlueEagle> pc22: have you got synaptic open?
[04:36] <nomasteryoda|w> nomad1, cause it is
[04:36] <cevizoglu> nomad1: rates better where?
[04:36] <nomasteryoda|w> better
[04:36] <dabaR> delltony: backports are versions of software from the unstable for the stable version, breezy-unstable, hoary-stable, so, that is how it has to be.
[04:36] <nomasteryoda|w> distrowatch
[04:36] <nomad1> on distrowatch.com
[04:37] <nomad1> its the nb1 distro
[04:37] <cevizoglu> nomad1: you mean it ranks higher?
[04:37] <nomasteryoda|w> Ubuntu ROCKS!
[04:37] <nomad1> ye
[04:37] <djm62> pepsi_: I think you'd be better off asking on hobbyist electronics sites...the number of them using linux is probably greater than the number of us making serial devices from chips'n'wires
[04:37] <silverton> wtf?
[04:37] <nomad1> its coming first as i said
[04:37] <silverton> nb1?
[04:37] <BlueEagle> nomad1: fc4 has got an installation that is bugged and could be fixed simply but the developers don't feel it is neccessary.
[04:37] <silverton> wtf does that mean?
[04:37] <cevizoglu> nomad1: because more people are clicking the url
[04:37] <dabaR> nomad1: it is based on nothing factual, maybe like, popularity.
[04:37] <pepsi_> djm62, i hang out in #electronics, #robotics, and ##microcontrollers ;)
[04:37] <nomad1> i found fc4 a bit messy
[04:37] <tritium> this is no surprise, folks
[04:37] <dabaR> silverton: no1
[04:37] <SPCcrow> Does anyone know how to get j2re working after you run the bin download?
[04:37] <silverton> .... ?
[04:37] <dabaR> dapper what, thoreauputic ?
[04:37] <silverton> you mean "number one" ?
[04:37] <nomasteryoda|w> thoreauputic, LOL
[04:38] <nomad1> i was hoping this would be simple
[04:38] <tritium> dabaR, breezy+1
[04:38] <silverton> sheesh...    how hard is it to fucking type it out?
[04:38] <BlueEagle> pepsi_: cat something > /dev/ttys0 would send it to the 1st serial port if I am not mistaking (which I may very well be)
[04:38] <dabaR> dapper what? whats it called?
[04:38] <tritium> silverton, please watch the language
[04:38] <nomad1> next i wanna try mandriva
[04:38] <jk-> pepsi_: you can use {g,c}kermit, but it's a little arcane...
[04:38] <nomad1> and then i pick the bist distro and keep it
[04:38] <dabaR> silverton: it is obvious you are used to #debian:)
[04:38] <djm62> BlueEagle: capital S, but I don't know if that does anything
[04:38] <silverton> I am...
[04:38] <nomasteryoda|w> silverton, substitute fsck for that word
[04:38] <apokryphos> dabaR: next version after breezy -- dapper drake.
[04:38] <silverton> tritium, sorry, I'm pissed off right now
[04:38] <dabaR> no, its not called that.
[04:38] <dabaR> is it?
[04:38] <tritium> silverton, why?
[04:38] <nomasteryoda|w> thoreauputic, LOLRMAO
[04:39] <apokryphos> dabaR: indeed it is.
[04:39] <pc22> it says it is installed
[04:39] <silverton> subwoofer is pissing me off...  inputs are fscked
[04:39] <tritium> yes, dabaR
[04:39] <silverton> and it's annoying me...
[04:39] <BlueEagle> djm62: You're right again.
[04:39] <cevizoglu> nomad1: I've tried the top 12 distros on distrowatch and think ubuntu is twice as good as any other out there, because of hardware support for powerbook and apt-get
[04:39] <dabaR> thanks.
[04:39] <pc22> BlueEagle, its done
[04:39] <apokryphos> silverton: fscked isn't much different; just use "mucked" or something. =)
[04:39] <silverton> oneo f them works...  and the other one works...    if you move it about and get it into a "sweet" spot
[04:39] <silverton> wtf?
[04:39] <silverton> wasn't I just told to use "fsck"?
[04:39] <johnnybezak> linux on ppc = the sux (imho and i'm on a mac w/ linux atm)
[04:39] <delltony> just so you know mplayer plays 3gp's i just tried it
[04:39] <dabaR> silverton: if you ask a question in a good way, you may get an answer.
[04:39] <nomad1> then ubuntu it is
[04:39] <RRubin> cevizoglu: dont forget the ideology of it too.
[04:39] <nomasteryoda|w> silverton, lol
[04:39] <BlueEagle> pc22: Ok, now go to System -> Administration -> Shared folders (might be wrong translation)
[04:40] <BlueEagle> pc22: Then just set up the folders you want to share there.
[04:40] <djm62> delltony: cool, good to have that in the logs
[04:40] <nomad1> im ordering like 20 cd's prolly give them to ppl at my university
[04:40] <nomasteryoda|w> fsck it
[04:40] <nomad1> share the love
[04:40] <cevizoglu> RRubin: the ideology of ubuntu?
[04:40] <SPCcrow> I have a question that takes some explaning, anyone feel up to it?
[04:40] <silverton> nomasteryoda|w, we4rd
[04:40] <BlueEagle> pc22: You might need to sudo /etc/init.d/samba start
[04:40] <tritium> SPCcrow, just ask.  If someone has an answer, they'll reply
[04:40] <nomasteryoda|w> doesn't work on ubuntu... as in automatic ...i had to use Damnsmall to fsck my Ubuntu root
[04:40] <silverton> can't find my debian net inst cd either...  that's rather irritating
[04:40] <BlueEagle> pc22: and edit /etc/samba/smb.conf (or similarly named file) to set up the configuration of the server.
[04:41] <RRubin> cevizoglu: the ideology of non corporate controlled operating system
[04:41] <SPCcrow> Well, I am trying to get j2re to work to use Limewire, I downloaded the .bin and run it, now I don't know what to do next to actually get the j2re to work
[04:41] <dabaR> so vista is coming out?
[04:41] <RRubin> debian/ubuntu/slack/gentoo vs redhat
[04:41] <djm62> RRubin: that doesn't differentiate ubuntu, so much as the "it should Just Work for Normal People" attitude
[04:42] <djm62> IMO
[04:42] <nomad1> thx for the help
[04:42] <tritium> silverton, why would you not use the ubuntu packages of the nvidia drivers anyway?
[04:42] <nomad1> gonna go back to windows
[04:42] <nomad1> cya later
[04:42] <SPCcrow> djm62: i guess i am not a normal person... =)
[04:42] <concept10> what makes ubuntu different is the brown desktop, thats all...
[04:42] <RRubin> djm62: i disagree. without the ideology, an OS is just a windows wanabe
[04:42] <tritium> have fun, nomad1
[04:42] <nomad1> lol k
[04:42] <djm62> SPCcrow: ubuntu doesn't make or distribute limewire ;)
[04:42] <cevizoglu> RRubin: RRubin: or an <put your previous OS here> wannabe
[04:43] <concept10> I was just kidding - the brown is nice but I have a soft blue schema
[04:43] <SPCcrow> djm62: question isnt about limewire, its about setting up the j2re on ubuntu =)
[04:43] <djm62> RRubin: but most any linux distros aren't corporate (some more anti- than others)
[04:43] <djm62> !java
[04:43] <ubotu> java is probably to install Java please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java
[04:43] <Shadowpillar> I say screw ideology for what works
[04:43] <RRubin> cevizoglu: i'm just sayin, windows works for normal people. why go through the hassle of changing and being incompatable etc if not for the ideology of it.
[04:43] <dabaR> SPCcrow: you never installed it?
[04:43] <cevizoglu> apokryphos: my GUI is all black and purple   :)
[04:43] <djm62> SPCcrow: ah, I got the wrong end of the stick
[04:44] <SPCcrow> The java packages have been removed form the repositories
[04:44] <cevizoglu> RRubin: because I come from mac os x and hate windows   ;)
[04:44] <SPCcrow> from even
[04:44] <tritium> no, they've never been allowed in the repositories, thanks to Sun
[04:44] <silverton> tritium, a 3d game I want to play isn't rendering correctly
[04:44] <pc22> is there no automatic start for samba
[04:44] <silverton> figured the official driver would fix it
[04:44] <apokryphos> cevizoglu: nearly as bad :P
[04:44] <concept10> the java packages are still in the repo.....
[04:44] <cevizoglu> RRubin: and mac os x isn't enough to have on your resume' anymore
[04:44] <vader1102> is there a live cd for Breezy for ppc?
[04:44] <apokryphos> concept10: for hoary? Nope.
[04:45] <BlueEagle> silverton: Which game?
[04:45] <concept10> concept10@ubuntuconcept:~$ apt-cache search j2re
[04:45] <concept10> sun-j2re1.5 - Java(TM) 2 RE, Standard Edition, Sun Microsystems(TM)
[04:45] <cevizoglu> vader1102, yes
[04:45] <silverton> guild wars
[04:45] <djm62> so what is the status of https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java ? is it just wrong?
[04:45] <apokryphos> concept10: that just means you've got it, not that it's in a repo.
[04:45] <silverton> the ground looks fine when it first loads, then once you start moving ab00t, it turns white
[04:45] <apokryphos> djm62: it's dated, yes.
[04:45] <BlueEagle> silverton: using cedega?
[04:45] <vader1102> ok, I need to dig a little harder, cannot see it lol
[04:45] <silverton> BlueEagle, of course :P
[04:45] <RRubin> cevizoglu: mac osx is exactly my point. why go through the pain of not being a sheep running windows, if you run right into the arms of a different (less popular sure) wolf.
[04:46] <burepe> I am trying to install realplayer and it is asking me where the file I downloaded with apt-get. Can someone tell me where files downloaded with apt-get are put?
[04:46] <butch> fdrt] 
[04:46] <concept10> apokryphos: its still there
[04:46] <butch> tyuytutyutyrti
[04:46] <apokryphos> butch: what are you doing?
[04:46] <dabaR> SPCcrow: tritium should one install the j2se from breezy onto hoary?
[04:46] <cevizoglu> RRubin, I like ubuntu a lot better than mac os x.  for a multitude of reasons, the most basic of which ubuntu appeals to my geek side much more
[04:46] <apokryphos> concept10: it's not, I assure you. :)
[04:46] <BlueEagle> silverton: "The most recent Guild Wars update has broken support for this game under Cedega. The developers at TransGaming Technologies are currently investigating the situation to determine the best route to fix the issue."
[04:46] <tritium> dabaR, no
[04:46] <dabaR> tritium: where from?
[04:46] <BlueEagle> silverton: Thu Sep 08, 2005 5:43 pm
[04:47] <silverton> BlueEagle, oh...   dammit
[04:47] <silverton> I hate my life >.<
[04:47] <giovann> when i was open the floppy drive, it was said unable to amount the selected volume how to fix it ?
[04:47] <BlueEagle> silverton: It's in the cedega support forums.
[04:47] <RRubin> cevizoglu: im into it for all those reasons too, but i think the ideology of it is important and overlooked a lot lately
[04:47] <BlueEagle> silverton: http://transgaming.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3875
[04:47] <djm62> so, what is the thing for java (just to correct ubotu)?
[04:47] <ksmurf> !keys
[04:47] <ubotu> ksmurf: Did you get hit by a windmill?
[04:47] <thoreauputic> concept10: you are seeing what apt knows is on your drive - java is no longer in hoary-extras
[04:47] <RRubin> its good now, and it will be good forever because its not under some corp thumb
[04:47] <tritium> dabaR, I always suggest that you download the .bin from Sun, and then use make-jpkg (provided by java-package) to build your own .deb to install
[04:47] <concept10> apokryphos: youre correct
[04:47] <djm62> tritium: is that on a wiki?
[04:47] <salamandyr> quick question - i've have a win xp home box coming (need windows, sorry) but want to install linux - does ubuntu offer a nondestructive resize of partitions during install?
[04:48] <tritium> djm62, it always used to be
[04:48] <thoreauputic> salamandyr: yes
[04:48] <cevizoglu> RRubin: I appreciate the underlying ideology a great deal as a developer
[04:48] <dabaR> SPCcrow: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JavaPackageBuildNewVersions
[04:48] <tritium> djm62, that was the preferred method
[04:48] <salamandyr> thoreauputic: thanks
[04:48] <cevizoglu> RRubin: after my experiences with apple's developer attitude in the past
[04:48] <silverton> hmm...  why is gnomebaker in the sound & music menu?
[04:49] <djm62> tritium: well, it's not what ubotu says...do you have the URL to hand?
[04:49] <dabaR> silverton: feel free to move it.
[04:49] <poningru> !dma
[04:49] <silverton> I'm just curious as to why it defaults there
[04:49] <silverton> :P
[04:49] <BlueEagle> salamandyr: ALWAYS make BACKUPS when altering partitions. This is brain surgery on your harddrive and might cause data corruption.
[04:49] <apokryphos> djm62: the wiki speaks of it
[04:49] <tritium> it's the first link, djm62
[04:49] <apokryphos> djm62: it's on the third line of text :)
[04:49] <silverton> and it's only in breezy I've noticed
[04:49] <silverton> it's in accessories in hoary
[04:49] <tritium> well, the second, I suppose
[04:50] <reiki> salamandyr, I keep a windows drive here just in case. It's not in my machine. It's in a dataport carrier. I picked up a cage and 2 carriers on eBay for a total of $5.50 US. If I absolutely need windows I shut down, swap drives, boot up. I figured I'd have to reboot ANYWAYS to switch OS... this seemed a cleaner solution
[04:50] <salamandyr> BlueEagle: of course; this is an emachines coming preconfig'd with winxp - it should have a restore disk, which is all i'll need for backup
[04:50] <cevizoglu> silverton: because they guessed that most people will burn music cd's from there
[04:50] <f_newton> !backports
[04:50] <ubotu> Add "deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-backports main universe multiverse restricted" to /etc/apt/sources.list.  More info @ https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBackports
[04:50] <salamandyr> hi reiki: actually, i;ll need to use win pretty regularily for one app
[04:50] <BlueEagle> salamandyr: Well, that and your documents ;)
[04:51] <salamandyr> BlueEagle - wont have any docs out of the box :)
[04:51] <thoreauputic> salamandyr: emachines are known to have issues with linux, BTW, so be sure...
[04:51] <salamandyr> will repartition for MacOS X and Ubuntu before i put anything on the windows partition
[04:51] <reiki> salamandyr, ok... but you'll have to shut down and reboot to do it. The way I suggested you don't have any worries about one OS corrupting the other :)
[04:51] <Knelix> Anyone have recommendations for a decent economical graphic card?
[04:51] <dabaR> f_newton: did you get the factoids I told ubotu to send you the last time?
[04:51] <BlueEagle> salamandyr: Ahh, well then disregard my statement. :)
[04:52] <salamandyr> reiki: maybe i should repartition outside of the ubuntu installer?  using diskcommander or partition magic or something?
[04:52] <thoreauputic> salamandyr: I suggest you boot a live CD on it before buying
[04:52] <f_newton> just the site pointing to the repos but they are hollow... dont work
[04:52] <BlueEagle> reiki: Also you save the unused drive from spinning up and down unneccessarily reducing wear and tear.
[04:52] <Knelix> Someone mentioned something about open source drivers? Which cards have open-source drivers available?... Anyone have a link to info on this?
[04:52] <salamandyr> thoreauputic: ya, was going to dl a live cd
[04:52] <johndarkhorse> salamandyr: either way will be fine
[04:52] <WebLOCH> ahh nighty
[04:52] <f_newton> !java
[04:52] <ubotu> methinks java is to install Java please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java
[04:52] <salamandyr> k, tkx johndarkhorse
[04:52] <WebLOCH> You cant install java that way anymore
[04:52] <thoreauputic> apokryphos: good night :)
[04:52] <BlueEagle> nn apokryphos
[04:52] <WebLOCH> You have to download the binary from Sun
[04:53] <dabaR> Night apokryphos
[04:53] <tritium> using make-jpkg (provided by java-package) is the preferred method
[04:53] <ksmurf> is there still a libquicktime?
[04:53] <roxville> ksmurf, i think it's all in w32codecs now
[04:53] <giovann> when i was open my floopy disk, it was said the "Unable to amount the selected volume" wow can i fix it ?
[04:54] <WebLOCH> dabaR do you know how I might install the kernel headers?  A couple of things I am trying to install involve some compiling which requires them...
[04:54] <djm62> can I tell ubotu to point to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JavaPackageBuildNewVersions then?
[04:54] <giovann> how can i fix it ?
[04:54] <ksmurf> roxville that sucks because w32 is gone
[04:54] <tritium> WebLOCH, sudo apt-get install linux-headers-`uname -r`
[04:54] <djm62> giovann: lsof | grep fd0
[04:54] <BlueEagle> giovann: "unable to amount" or "unable to mount" or "unable to umount"?
[04:54] <roxville> ksmurf, gone? from backports?
[04:54] <ksmurf> yes
[04:54] <giovann> unable to mount
[04:54] <salamandyr> oh - one last question re partitioning.  i will prob wait for breezybadger final (oct 13th?) to do my install... any caveats about installing on partitions above a certain block, like there used to be in early rh distros?
[04:54] <roxville> shit
[04:54] <WebLOCH> whats uname -r ?
[04:55] <nomasteryoda|w> salamandyr, no
[04:55] <giovann> djm62 what u mean by lsof ?
[04:55] <dabaR> tells you the kernel version you are using.
[04:55] <tritium> WebLOCH, try it on the command line, and you'll see
[04:55] <johndarkhorse> salamandyr: there are no problems re that
[04:55] <ryanpg> hi all... wondering if the next ubuntu release will have modular xorg?
[04:55] <cevizoglu> WebLOCH, kernel release system info
[04:55] <dabaR> WebLOCH: ^
[04:55] <locomorto|food> I'm using breezy and installed samba from the repos
[04:55] <djm62> giovann: never mind, I read it as unmount
[04:55] <salamandyr> great - tkx yall
[04:55] <giovann> lol
[04:55] <thoreauputic> WebLOCH: $(uname -r) or `uname -r` expands to your kernel version
[04:55] <giovann> could u help me pls ?
[04:55] <locomorto|food> When i try to connect to my box, I get asked to input a password
[04:56] <djm62> giovann: how are you trying to mount it?
[04:56] <locomorto|food> I have tried using my username and password but that does not work
[04:56] <roxville> but ksmurf , it's gotta be in debian somewhere
[04:56] <locomorto|food> I can connect to my windows box just fine
[04:56] <giovann> how to amount ?
[04:56] <giovann> how to mount ?
[04:56] <WebLOCH> thanks guys that was helpful
[04:56] <BlueEagle> giovann: in a terminal type this: lsof|grep fd0
[04:56] <WebLOCH> Breezy may not run, but by god Hoary will ride again
[04:56] <BlueEagle> giovann: Give us the string returned if any. If you don't get anything but a new prompt then tell us that.
[04:57] <giovann> kk
[04:58] <cevizoglu> ahhh, wireless on ubuntu is like heaven
[04:58] <BlueEagle> giovann: Also, if you don't know what a command does check the man page for it before executing it. Someone might tell you to remove all files as a joke thinking that you already know what the rm command does. It is not very funny.
[04:58] <WebLOCH> ahh christ
[04:58] <WebLOCH> Why is nothing simple!
[04:58] <thoreauputic> WebLOCH: language please
[04:58] <f_newton> well crap I cant get java installed... or the w32 codecs... cant find them on the repos
[04:58] <djm62> BlueEagle: you been caught with rm -rf
[04:59] <BlueEagle> djm62: I have not, but I know people who have.
[04:59] <Knelix> Anyone have recommendations in getting a video card?
[04:59] <WebLOCH> I do not consider Christ any better or worse than crap or damn
[04:59] <djm62> nasty
[04:59] <BlueEagle> djm62: Indeed.
[04:59] <thoreauputic> WebLOCH: it isn't your opinion or mine that matters though
[04:59] <dabaR> WebLOCH: just chill
[04:59] <djm62> WebLOCH: golden rule...it means what people perceive, not what you want it to
[04:59] <WebLOCH> I was trying to say is it suitable to say either of those?
[05:00] <giovann> i type it already but nothing will happen
[05:00] <nomasteryoda|w> sweet... can we expect to see Splashy in ubuntu repos?
[05:00] <pc22> BlueEagle, smbmount //myserver/myshare /home/yourusrname/mnt: whats myserver and myshare?
[05:00] <djm62> giovann: in linux, commands will say nothing if nothing's gone wrong
[05:00] <thoreauputic> WebLOCH: I was just suggesting you consider what others might feel - it's a fine line, I grant you
[05:00] <f_newton> WebLOCH, the first is a very religious defamation.... for a lot of people
[05:00] <dabaR> f_newton: want help? I can get both set up for you. just have to cooperate. do you get messages from ubotu when I tell him to send them?
[05:00] <johndarkhorse> nomasteryoda|w: i thought splashy was gonna be in breezy (splash screen editor, right?)
[05:01] <djm62> giovann: if you get another prompt, and no other output, that means it's worked, probably
[05:01] <WebLOCH> f_newton yeah I realise, i was just asking
[05:01] <BlueEagle> knelix: It's been my experience that nVidia is faster to make drivers for linux than ATi. Other than that find a reputable board maker and as much video ram and the fastest board that you can afford.
[05:01] <dabaR> WebLOCH: we understand your frustration
[05:01] <nomasteryoda|w> well, let me look... since I'm running it
[05:01] <f_newton> dabaR, I have done this at least a hundred times... the repos arent giving me the apps
[05:01] <BlueEagle> pc22: Do you want to mount a file shared by a windows pc?
[05:01] <WebLOCH> haha, mainly because you guys are the ones sorting it out for me dabaR
[05:01] <dabaR> f_newton: yes, they have been removed
[05:01] <factotum> BlueEagle: as ATI buts it, they say "they should be thankfull we make the drivers we do"
[05:02] <ksmurf> could someone please post that the W32codecs and Java are gone.....  Compile from source or use "other means".  It's not the end of the world.
[05:02] <f_newton> there is no repo for them?
[05:02] <giovann> do i need to change the floppy drive ?
[05:02] <djm62> are any organisations using the remote desktop thing for support yet?
[05:02] <dabaR> f_newton: /join #dabar
[05:02] <BlueEagle> factotum: I've never heard anyone at ATi saying that, but it wouldn't suprise me if someone there did.
[05:02] <factotum> but thats one ATI devs opinion. Cant really judge from one persons opinion i suppose
[05:02] <dabaR> heh, jj, come back
[05:03] <dabaR> I invite him to come, then I kick him...lol
[05:03] <f_newton> nah... I think I'll just reload fedora on this and when I get back into town I'll take ubuntu off of all the machines in the office....
[05:03] <Knelix> BlueEagle, I just built a PC specifically so I could play around with Ubunto. I thought I could get away without a video card for a while (using integrated video instead) but then even the simple included 3D screen saver run like mollases. So, I'm not looking for something cutting edge, just decent.
[05:03] <djm62> giovann: you aren't giving us enough information...what exactly are you typing, and what output do you get?
[05:03] <f_newton> play your silly debian leet  games with someone else asshole
[05:04] <factotum> f_newton: dont bait people for help with your issures
[05:04] <dabaR> f_newton: look it was a joke:) and if you think it will be better, please go ahead.
[05:04] <factotum> issues even
[05:04] <WebLOCH> I don't suppose there are any generic solutions to make errors?
[05:04] <giovann> there is no output
[05:04] <dabaR> WebLOCH: no.
[05:04] <WebLOCH> f_newton : im about 100% sure asshole is a bigger defamation tha "christ"
[05:04] <djm62> giovann: and what exactly did you type in?
[05:04] <dabaR> WebLOCH: dont linger.
[05:04] <BlueEagle> knelix: Well, then a 2nd hand geforce2 MX 400 would suffice.
[05:05] <thoreauputic> WebLOCH: you can debate it on #ubuntu-offtopic :)
[05:05] <WebLOCH> I dont want to debate it
[05:05] <dabaR> f_newton got mad, I am sorry about that...
[05:05] <factotum> if you expect a distro to spoon feed you everything to your liking, take a hammer to your computer and save everyone including yourself the time
[05:05] <WebLOCH> Just a statement, more specifically to him than anyone else :P
[05:05] <djm62> man, I just lost all that commission because he took ubuntu off those machines ;)
[05:05] <WebLOCH> I'm only here because you generally know more than me as it is.
[05:05] <giovann> i type lsof | grep fd0
[05:05] <WebLOCH> Apparently you also know more than the fools that packaged my hardware drivers
[05:05] <nomasteryoda|w> er, so when is the dapper drake dev starting? Oct 14?
[05:06] <todd__> are there any good plugins for gnome that emulate the mac dock?
[05:06] <burepe> I am installing realplayer? What directory should I install it in? What directory are programs normally installed in?
[05:06] <djm62> giovann: that was a command to diagnose what was wrong...what did you type to mount the disk? or is that what you're asking?
[05:06] <dabaR> WebLOCH: you will learn about the IRC netiquette as you go, wikipedia explanation of an internet troll, and the ask factoid from ubotu's linked page have good examples
[05:06] <WebLOCH> burepe, /usr/bin/
[05:06] <burepe> thanks
[05:06] <thoreauputic> nomasteryoda|w: I would guess the devs would want to sober up after the party ;)
[05:06] <giovann> i try to amount
[05:06] <nomasteryoda|w> LOL
[05:06] <nomasteryoda|w> yea
[05:06] <pc22> BlueEagle, i want my windows pc to see my linux pc
[05:07] <WebLOCH> dabaR, I know plenty about it already, I just tend not to subscribe to a lot of the ideas, they might make for a better situation when it comes to overall discussion, but they tend to be unfair
[05:07] <dabaR> todd__: http://www.gnome-look.org/content/preview.php?preview=1&id=13548&file1=13548-1.jpg&file2=13548-2.jpg&file3=&name=MacOS-X+Aqua+Theme
[05:07] <giovann>  this is the output grep: amount: No such file or directory
[05:07] <giovann> grep: disk: No such file or directory
[05:07] <djm62> giovann: try typing "mount /floppy"
[05:07] <Phily> pc22: install samba
[05:07] <nomasteryoda|w> pc22, you need to make sure the smb.conf file has workgroup=yourworkgroup name same as the windows box
[05:07] <Knelix> BlueEagle: then that's your official recomendation? :-)
[05:07] <djm62> mount /floppy
[05:07] <thoreauputic> WebLOCH: you weren't being victimised - just reminded: please, drop it
[05:07] <dabaR> WebLOCH: insight is important. like, when not to reply to something, and when to drop a topic
[05:08] <giovann> no such directory
[05:08] <WebLOCH> precisely...
[05:08] <dabaR> djm62: its likely /dev/fd0
[05:08] <narg> Anyone else noticed that the newest breezy update renders breezy unbootable?
[05:08] <WebLOCH> Do you know where I can lookup Make errors?
[05:08] <todd__> dabaR: thanks!!
[05:08] <dabaR> WebLOCH: what are you making?
[05:08] <nomasteryoda|w> narg, not here.. i hope
[05:09] <WebLOCH> Its meant to be my soundcard drivers, which came with motherboard CD
[05:09] <djm62> dabaR: if the symlink was already there, that would have done it...I don't have a floppy drive, sadly...do you?
[05:09] <dabaR> djm62: happens there is one:))
[05:09] <WebLOCH> It comes with linux drivers and installation instructions, im following them, but when i try to make I get a bunch of errors
[05:09] <pc22> i have samba installed. how do i  put a workgroup in smb.conf
[05:09] <dabaR> djm62: never used prolly
[05:09] <Knelix> I was hoping to get something with a TV out...
[05:09] <narg> nomasteryoda|w: kernel panics, and freezes trying to killy init. If possible, to be safe you might want to wait another day to boot :p (might not affect you, might though :p)
[05:09] <dabaR> WebLOCH: this is a call for....the pastebin.
[05:09] <WebLOCH> haha
[05:09] <dozer> anyone know why I get invalid driver! from ndiswrapper when it says theres nothing installed - or how to uninstall the bcmwl5.inf (or really whats going on) thanks for ANY help
[05:09] <orangey> I'm having a kde problem.. everytime i start any (KDE) application, kmail also starts! Any ideas how I could troubleshoot this?
[05:10] <Knelix> I'm having trouble finding a monitor... maybe I could use a TV for a while... :-)
[05:10] <vader1102> WebLOCH,  are you trying withing the "sudo"?
[05:10] <nomasteryoda|w> narg, i will wait... it's a laptop and Ubuntu handles the standby just peachy
[05:10] <dabaR> orangey: asked #kubuntu?
[05:10] <WebLOCH> vader1102,  yeah
[05:10] <giovann> mount: can't find /floppy in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab
[05:10] <factotum> sorry, i just use a WM, no DE
[05:10] <vader1102> k, beyond my scope then
[05:10] <orangey> dabaR: not yet.. but the numbers here are more encouraging : )
[05:10] <orangey> dabaR: asked : )
[05:10] <WebLOCH> !pastebin
[05:10] <ubotu> from memory, pastebin is a site where you can post large texts and screenshots so you don't flood the channel. You can find it at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl
[05:10] <nomasteryoda|w> giovann, did you do .. mount /dev/fd0 /mnt/floppy?
[05:11] <Knelix> orangey: Well, obviously if you're starting any other app, kmail should also be running... I mean what kind of insult is that to kmail not to have it running to to run other apps.. have some decency...
[05:11] <bartelt>  problem with ltsp thin client boot after new install: /init: 64: syntax error: 0x, help?
[05:11] <johnnybezak> orangey: sudo apt-get remove kde ? :) (jk)
[05:12] <nootrope> Will HH run on a Pentium II?
[05:12] <pc22> nomasteryoda|w,  i have samba installed. how do i  put a workgroup in smb.conf
[05:12] <WebLOCH> dabaR, here is the end of the output, it seems okay up till then... http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2330
[05:12] <orangey> Knelix: : )
[05:12] <djm62> giovann: to get some information, do "grep fd /etc/fstab"
[05:12] <bob2> WebLOCH: the code is broken
[05:12] <Knelix> :-P
[05:12] <factotum> nootrope: i have HH running on a pentium MMX with fluxbox, walk in the park
[05:12] <thoreauputic> nootrope: it will, but you have to do some gymnastics :)
[05:12] <dabaR> nootrope: yes.
[05:13] <bob2> WebLOCH: also, that's an old version of alsa; why are you compiling it at all?
[05:13] <djm62> giovann: if that doesn't give a result, then you have to type a longer command
[05:13] <pc22> nomasteryoda|w, smbmount //myserver/myshare /home/yourusrname/mnt: whats myserver and myshare?
[05:13] <WebLOCH> bob2, its just what came bundled with my soundcard driver
[05:13] <WebLOCH> its part of the "installation"
[05:13] <bob2> WebLOCH: then throw it away
[05:13] <giovann> okey
[05:13] <WebLOCH> bob2, if you would care to guide me thru installing my driver I shall do so gladly
[05:13] <bob2> WebLOCH: ubuntu includes a newer version of alsa than that anyway
[05:13] <factotum> i just use dillo for a web browser and term apps whenever possible
[05:13] <todd__> dabaR, but do you know where the dock plugin in that screen is from?  i know of the theme at gnome-look but where is the download for that plugin located?
[05:13] <bob2> WebLOCH: and the chipset is...?
[05:13] <djm62> giovann: what did you get from that command?
[05:13] <hussam> If I adjust the Date and time from inside KDE, do I need to reboot?
[05:13] <nomasteryoda|w> pc22, you trying to mount a winows share from linux or linux smb share from windows?
[05:14] <dabaR> nootrope: you likely do not want to use gnome, but openbox, or so.
[05:14] <nomasteryoda|w> i thouught it was second choie
[05:14] <WebLOCH> bob2, realtek not sure how to check for a specific version
[05:14] <nootrope> thanks. I keep getting a CXritical temperature reached 127 C. and it shuts down. i have a bigass fan on the open box and it still gives that error. any idea if this is an MMX probelm?
[05:14] <nomasteryoda|w> choice
[05:14] <bob2> WebLOCH: which has drivers inluded in ubuntu already
[05:14] <bob2> nootrope: no, it's not a problem to do with your processor's ability to run mmx instructions
[05:14] <dabaR> todd__: no, I dont happen to know. there are instructions on that page, and it is a good starting point, I just happened to stumble across that in the channel.
[05:14] <pc22> nomasteryoda|w, i want to share my linux to windows
[05:14] <WebLOCH> bob2, Realtek ALC880/882 Audio Driver V5.10.0.5125
[05:14] <bob2> WebLOCH: why do you think you need to install anything at all?
[05:14] <factotum> although it runs fine, i plan on running FreeBSD on it when i have the chance...*ducks down*
[05:14] <pc22> specially for printing
[05:15] <bob2> unles crimsun told you to, I'd assume you don't
[05:15] <WebLOCH> No sound plays
[05:15] <nomasteryoda|w> pc22, ok so that is what I thought
[05:15] <WebLOCH> and last time I installed ubuntu I needed to set up manually
[05:15] <WebLOCH> although it was a different system, it was realtek again
[05:15] <todd__> dabaR, ok, thanks!
[05:15] <dozer> anyone know any good sites on ndiswrapper that will actually tell me how to install it without 900 problems?
[05:15] <nomasteryoda|w> pc22, example here... http://www.faqs.org/docs/securing/chap29sec284.html
[05:15] <djm62> !ndiswrapper
[05:15] <ubotu> from memory, ndiswrapper is a way to support Windows wirless drivers, but it is buggy compared to native support. More info at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HowToSetUpNdiswrapper
[05:15] <bob2> WebLOCH: why do you think you need to set it up manually?
[05:15] <pc22> i want also my other linux pc to print on my printer
[05:15] <nomasteryoda|w> pc22, sudo gedit /etc/samba/smb.conf
[05:16] <WebLOCH> bob2, because i had to last time
[05:16] <nootrope> bob23: so the critical temperature reached error may be an artifact because the innards don't feel hot at all
[05:16] <bob2> WebLOCH: why do you think you needed to?
[05:16] <dabaR> dozer: problems are good, make you learn.
[05:16] <bob2> nootrope: I don't know, but it's certainly unrelated to "MMX"
[05:16] <WebLOCH> bob2, I assume I am missing your point
[05:16] <bob2> I'd think at 127C things would be burning
[05:16] <WebLOCH> bob2, or you are a bot...
[05:16] <dabaR> WebLOCH: he is not;
[05:16] <bob2> WebLOCH: I don't understand why you thought you needed to compile anythign there, either
[05:16] <nootrope> bob2 and otheres: thanks!
[05:17] <DaaJeH> Hello
[05:17] <WebLOCH> I know thats why it was funny
[05:17] <dozer> do make me learn but after 3 weeks of no wireless and having to sit 4 foot from the router WinXP looks better and better
[05:17] <dabaR> yo DaaJeH
[05:17] <WebLOCH> bob2, I cannot play back any sound
[05:17] <cevizoglu> dozer, if you've got some spare change for a different wireless card, the prism drivers make life easy
[05:17] <DaaJeH> DabaR,howdy
[05:17] <bob2> WebLOCH: which is not a very specific problem, and very open to trouble shooting
[05:17] <WebLOCH> bob2, I was following the linux driver install guide from my motherboard
[05:17] <factotum> the pentium mmx i was talking about is basicly a pentium 1 more or less, runs at 166 mHz
[05:17] <bob2> WebLOCH: for instance, is there a sound driver loaded for your card?
[05:17] <cevizoglu> dozer, http://prism54.org
[05:17] <bob2> WebLOCH: that guide is almost certainly wrong
[05:18] <DaaJeH> How do you enable the root account?
[05:18] <bob2> WebLOCH: so, put up your /var/log/dmesg somehwere, to start
[05:18] <WebLOCH> hmm okay
[05:18] <bob2> DaaJeH: wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo
[05:18] <bob2> DaaJeH: the installer explained it to you, as does the FAQ
[05:18] <WebLOCH> you mean like pastebin ?
[05:18] <dabaR> ys, that is what he meant.
[05:18] <DaaJeH> becasue by default its disables
[05:18] <cevizoglu> DaaJeH, are you sure you don't want sudo -s  ?
[05:18] <bob2> WebLOCH: anywhere on line
[05:18] <poningru> guys I had another suggestion for dapper
[05:18] <dozer> well my laptop has it built in and would love to get it running with that - i have read stories of it running and know its possible with ndiswrapper - I even got it installed for once  its running   its just not seeing the drivers   in RIGHT there, ya know soo close but no dice   just lookin for that one last tip to get it fired up and forget about windows
[05:18] <bob2> DaaJeH: yes, the installer explaiend that to you, as did the FAQ
[05:18] <poningru> do we have some sort of explainer thing after the installer
[05:19] <poningru> some sort of walk through thing
[05:19] <thoreauputic> !tell DaaJeH about root
[05:19] <nomasteryoda|w> dozer, i have it working here on ubuntu
[05:19] <durt> dozer, you said its running, whats the problem?
[05:19] <dabaR> poningru: talk to the mailing list, I think. we dont have much to do with the process.
[05:19] <DaaJeH> Thank you all
[05:19] <nomasteryoda|w> but when a kernel update happens, you must uninstall the ndiswrapper loaded driver and install again
[05:19] <pc22> nomasteryoda|w, is there no graphical solution to this? im a beginner
[05:20] <durt> no you dont yoda
[05:20] <nomasteryoda|w> dozer, make sure it matches on versioin too
[05:20] <dozer> ndiswrapper is installed and working   it just says the file is not installed but then it says its an invalid driver when I go to run it    then it wont let me uninstall it because it says theres nothing there
[05:20] <WebLOCH> bob2, http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2331
[05:20] <nomasteryoda|w> pc22, yes
[05:20] <nomasteryoda|w> pc22, swat
[05:20] <djm62> !ndiswrapper
[05:20] <ubotu> well, ndiswrapper is a way to support Windows wirless drivers, but it is buggy compared to native support. More info at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HowToSetUpNdiswrapper
[05:20] <bob2> nomasteryoda|w: no, the ndiswrapper module in ubuntu gets updated with the rest of your kernel
[05:20] <pc22> nomasteryoda|w, where is that?
[05:20] <cevizoglu> dozer, it won't uninstall because it never did
[05:20] <nomasteryoda|w> well, that is true, but the actual driver from windows seems to hang on this delll
[05:20] <cevizoglu> dozer, sounds like ndiswrapper won't support your card
[05:20] <bob2> WebLOCH: sudo modprobe snd_i8x0
[05:20] <dozer> well its listing it as installed and i dont want to gunk up this install with 10 different drivers
[05:21] <nomasteryoda|w> ... removed using ndiswrapper -e and ndiswrapper -i to install again
[05:21] <bob2> WebLOCH: then put the output of "dmesg" on a pastebin again
[05:21] <cevizoglu> dozer, does the fcc id match exactly?
[05:21] <bob2> dozer: what NIC is it?
[05:21] <nomasteryoda|w> have confirmed that behavior 3 times
[05:21] <dozer> it does support it I just cant get the right drivers from broadcom because they are nazi bastards and wanna make me kill my self over wirless internet
[05:21] <WebLOCH> bob2, FATAL: Module snd_i8x0 not found.
[05:21] <dabaR> dozer: life is good.
[05:21] <dozer> whats the command to find the NIC again?  still new to the commands for a little bit
[05:21] <nomasteryoda|w> dozer, yes you can...
[05:22] <dabaR> dozer: I own a iBook, what should I say?
[05:22] <bob2> WebLOCH: er, snd_intel8x0, oops
[05:22] <nomasteryoda|w> dozer, what brand laptop?
[05:22] <WebLOCH> hah okay
[05:22] <WebLOCH> haha*
[05:22] <bob2> dozer: lspci perhaps
[05:22] <dozer> ZD7000 pavilion  HP
[05:22] <bob2> dozer: oh, it's broadcom?
[05:22] <dozer> yuppers
[05:22] <nomasteryoda|w> dozer, i'll be it needs bcmwl5a.in
[05:22] <nomasteryoda|w> f
[05:22] <nomasteryoda|w> ver 2 or 3?
[05:23] <WebLOCH> bob2, http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2332
[05:23] <cevizoglu> dozer, broadcom failed miserably for my powerbook.  I'm using a prism chipset wireless by netgear
[05:23] <dozer> l5a - because im trying to use l5.inf  not "a"
[05:23] <dabaR> cevizoglu: inside the 'book?
[05:23] <nomasteryoda|w> dozer, what version of the card?... ver 2 or ver 3?
[05:23] <cevizoglu> dabaR, pcmcia
[05:24] <dozer> are all the bcmwl5a.inf files all the same or are there different files of the same name?
[05:24] <johndarkhorse> broadcoms are wasted with linux
[05:24] <bob2> WebLOCH: that' from the command "dmesg", or the file?
[05:24] <dabaR> cevizoglu: how, tehre is a slot?
[05:24] <nomasteryoda|w> johndarkhorse, true
[05:24] <WebLOCH> file sorry
[05:24] <bob2> WebLOCH: the command is what we need
[05:24] <nomasteryoda|w> johndarkhorse, but they do work... at least
[05:24] <dozer> if you know where I could find the version of the card I would do so thew a command or any way threw linux?   like i said still new
[05:24] <cevizoglu> dabaR, yes
[05:24] <johndarkhorse> nomasteryoda|w: i have a ppc, i've never gotten it to work
[05:24] <nomasteryoda|w> pc22, did you try swat?
[05:24] <bob2> dozer: getting the driver from your windows partition is probably simplest
[05:24] <nomasteryoda|w> johndarkhorse, yea
[05:25] <nomasteryoda|w> but wine will work
[05:25] <dozer> well i downloaded like 6 different files that were supposed to have it - not sure where to get the drivers from windows
[05:25] <cevizoglu> dabaR, on my 15" powerbook, there's a pcmcia slot on the left side
[05:25] <nomasteryoda|w> and extract the file for you then the process will crash...but driver will sit in the /home/user/.wine/C/temp folder ...
[05:25] <dabaR> got it, thanks...
[05:25] <dabaR> dozer: lspci lists hardware in a terminal
[05:25] <bob2> dozer: so, look on your windows disk for the .inf file
[05:26] <WebLOCH> bob2,  is tghere an easy way to copy terminal output ?
[05:26] <kevogod> If you completely remove a package, is there any way to get it to appear in Synaptic again?
[05:26] <dozer> says bash: lspci: command not found
[05:26] <tritium> kevogod, it doesn't disappear.
[05:26] <dabaR> WebLOCH: how easy? ctrl+shift+c
[05:26] <nomasteryoda|w> LOL
[05:27] <narg> dozer: need to use as root or add /sbin and/or /usr/sbin to path
[05:27] <WebLOCH> didnt know
[05:27] <kevogod> tritium, Well, then are the Sun JRE and SDK packages gone then?
[05:27] <dabaR> WebLOCH: the menu tells you.
[05:27] <tritium> kevogod, yes
[05:27] <Blunted> Hello everyone
[05:27] <giovann> nothing will happen
[05:27] <narg> Is there any way to check what packages are installed in an installation on another partition?
[05:27] <WebLOCH> dabaR it didnt work
[05:28] <dozer> lspci still doenst show under root and /usr/sbin
[05:28] <fysa> boo.  Breezy doesn't come with JFS?
[05:28] <nomasteryoda|w> narg, you mean like in suse or another ubuntu?
[05:28] <Blunted> I hope this isnt too much to ask of anyone but i was having an issue with my webcam in linux. Im woundering what i can type in the console to kill the device
[05:28] <djm62> giovann: what was the output from the command I told you? "grep fd /etc/fstab" ?
[05:28] <fysa> FATAL: Module jfs not found.
[05:28] <Blunted> i want to turn the device off
[05:28] <Blunted> or kill it
[05:28] <Versed> since this is sorta on topic, is it easier to set a 802.11b card then g?
[05:28] <giovann> dj no output
[05:28] <narg> nomasteryoda|w: Im in hoary and I mounted the root of a breezy.
[05:28] <dabaR> WebLOCH: well, what exactly are you trying to do? if you highlight desired text, and press that key combination, text will be copied
[05:29] <WebLOCH> i wanted to copy a LOT of terminal output
[05:29] <narg> dozer: try /bin/lspci
[05:29] <WebLOCH> immediately
[05:29] <Blunted> anyone know how i can kill /dev/video1
[05:29] <djm62> giovann: ok, and what about "mount | grep mnt"?
[05:29] <WebLOCH> I was wondeirng if i could use CAT for example to output a file
[05:29] <nomasteryoda|w> narg, then you should be able to look at the synaptic for that install if you chroot'd it
[05:29] <Versed> because with my g4 450, ubuntu automatically set up and installed the airport card and was up and running right after install and reboot.
[05:29] <dabaR> Blunted: disconnect the camera.
[05:29] <giovann> its not mount also
[05:29] <adamh> I want to put a "sleep 5" (or so) somewhere in the boot process (initrd) between when sd-mod is modprobed and when udevstart is called. How can I do that?
[05:29] <dozer> no such file or directory
[05:29] <Blunted> yes i have disconnected the camera
[05:29] <narg> dozer: try apt-get install lspci :)
[05:29] <Blunted> my problems with VMWARE saying it is in use
[05:29] <daloydoy> good day everyone
[05:30] <ManuelJ> hi, i have a question why isnot evince in the menu?
[05:30] <pc22> nomasteryoda|w, where can i find swat?
[05:30] <hosler> Im running fluxbox. Is there a way to get usb devices to still mount automaticaly?
[05:30] <fysa> I'm stuck.  I installed Hoary and used JFS as the rootfs.  Now I upgraded to Breezy and JFS isn't part of the kernel.
[05:30] <dozer> installing...
[05:30] <WebLOCH> bob2, http://pastebin.ubuntulinux.nl/2333
[05:30] <dabaR> hosler: run gnome-volume-manager
[05:30] <djm62> giovann: you mean you get no output from that?
[05:30] <null> i have sound blaster 5.1 channels, where i configure for that in ubuntu?
[05:30] <kevogod> tritium, Are there any repositories that have Sun's packages for Hoary?
[05:30] <hosler> dabaR: run that command at startup?
[05:30] <dozer> wow still no dice after the install   i dont think its supposed to work on this computer just drive me insane
[05:30] <nomasteryoda|w> pc22, try synaptic
[05:31] <dabaR> ManuelJ: what menu? did you install evince?
[05:31] <adamh> ManuelJ: Because GNOME is meant to be document-based, not application-based. You don't create documents with Evince, so the only appropriate way to invoke it is by double-clicking on a file.
[05:31] <daloydoy> im a newbie... how can i get back to user permission... i have change users settings in user&group now I can't go to Administration>>>
[05:31] <disasm> fysa: i'd say your probly going to have to boot off a live cd, chroot, and either install a kernel with jfs in it, or compile one using kernel-package
[05:31] <tritium> kevogod, not for hoary.  Download Sun's .bin, and use make-jpkg (provided by java-package) to build your own
[05:31] <dabaR> hosler: be creative, that is the gnome-volume-manager, that automounts drives
[05:31] <djm62> giovann: in that case, type "sudo mount -o user,rw -t vfat /dev/fd0 /mnt"
[05:31] <ManuelJ> adamh, and dabaR thanks a lot
[05:31] <a-l-p-h-a> What's a nice and easy to use SFTP client?
[05:32] <hosler> dabaR: does it have a configuration file? I want to change the file browser to something else.
[05:32] <kevogod> tritium, alright, thanks
[05:32] <giovann> djm62 mount | grep mnt not outpud also
[05:32] <thoreauputic> daloydoy: why did you change the user&group settings?
[05:32] <giovann> okey
[05:32] <dabaR> hosler: who has the conf file?
[05:32] <tritium> kevogod, there will be blackdown's java in multiverse in breezy
[05:32] <djm62> a-l-p-h-a: integrated into nautilus: Places->Connect to Server
[05:32] <giovann> they want my password djm62
[05:32] <djm62> giovann: so give it :)
[05:33] <giovann> ya i give it already
[05:33] <daloydoy> have created a new account... user only not root... but i have accidentally unchecked execute admin tasks in my account...
[05:33] <giovann> what next ?
[05:33] <daloydoy> have changed the root in CLI but to no avail...
[05:33] <djm62> giovann: no output? then it's mounted
[05:33] <daloydoy> thoreauputic: have created a new account... user only not root... but i have accidentally unchecked execute admin tasks in my account...
[05:33] <dabaR> daloydoy: so you have no access to that user any more?
[05:33] <a-l-p-h-a> djm62, uh? how do I get SFTP? via ssh? but there's no password section.
[05:33] <bob2> WebLOCH: what did modprobe say?
[05:33] <bob2> WebLOCH: also, your disk is having issues
[05:33] <giovann> i try to open my floopy disk now ?
[05:34] <WebLOCH> modprobe didnt say anything if i recall
[05:34] <disasm> daloydoy: only option i can think of is if no users have sudo priveleges, you may have to boot off a live cd, chroot in as root, and add the user via the cli in a chroot
[05:34] <WebLOCH> what do you mean by that bob2?
[05:34] <djm62> giovann: if you go to /mnt, you can see the files on your disk
[05:34] <giovann> ok
[05:34] <daloydoy> i can still access the same desktop but have problems in administrative tasks like change network, etc...
[05:34] <thoreauputic> daloydoy: the admin group is the sudoers permission group - do you have another account with sudo or root access?
[05:34] <bob2> WebLOCH: oh, hda is your cd drive
[05:34] <djm62> giovann: tell me if that's ok
[05:34] <dabaR> bob2: is mine? http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2334
[05:34] <daloydoy> no other...
[05:34] <djm62> (so I can sleep)
[05:34] <bur[n] er> that was f'd up
[05:34] <giovann> bash: /mnt: is a directory
[05:34] <dabaR> disasm: also, rebootin in safe mode works too.
[05:35] <bur[n] er> my pw was changed
[05:35] <bur[n] er> doh... wrong chan ;)
[05:35] <fysa> how the hell does Breezy kernel not have jfs?
[05:35] <factotum> hmmm... wonder if there is a .tcl for a bot to freak out and start throwing people to the wolves...sorry, random thought
[05:35] <daloydoy> thoreauputic: no other except me
[05:35] <thoreauputic> daloydoy: then you will have to boot in recovery mode and run visudo as root
[05:35] <tritium> fysa, it does
[05:35] <thoreauputic> daloydoy: see above
[05:35] <djm62> a-l-p-h-a: it'll ask you for a password (and if you want to store it on gnome-keyring)
[05:35] <fysa> I just upgraded from Hoary to Breezy.  Hoary worked fine with rootfs as jfs..
[05:35] <disasm> dabaR: you don't have to put the root pw in to get into single user mode? didn't know that
[05:35] <thoreauputic> daloydoy: red man sudoers, reboot in recovery mode and run the visudo command
[05:35] <fysa> after the upgrade, I get module jfs not loaded.
[05:36] <dabaR> disasm: try it one of these days
[05:36] <thoreauputic> s/red/read
[05:36] <WebLOCH> bob2, just tried modprobe again didnt say anything
[05:36] <giovann> djm62 it not yet okey
[05:36] <tritium> fysa, I'm on breezy, and have a jfs module
[05:36] <bob2> WebLOCH: odd
[05:36] <djm62> giovann: if you type "ls /mnt" what do you get?
[05:36] <disasm> dabaR: i have mine set though, so it probably would ask me i'm guessing
[05:36] <giovann> wait
[05:36] <RRubin> is there a tutorial somewhere of building using deb source files?
[05:36] <giovann> djm62 this one winrouteprov4.2.5keymakerror.zip
[05:37] <sono> Hello friends.  Anyone knows if FGLRX AMD64 drivers and modules are working at Breezy by now?
[05:37] <djm62> giovann: that is the file that was on your disk, I'm guessing :)
[05:37] <hosler> dabaR: how do I change the file browser from nautilus to rox in gnome-volume-manager. There is no option in its configuration utility.
[05:37] <locomorto|food> sono: You can always make your own
[05:37] <fysa> trit: 2.6.12-8? (amd64)
[05:37] <fysa> weird.
[05:37] <dabaR> hosler: no idea. I dont think that is where you would change it tho.
[05:37] <sono> they are not compiling either locomorto
[05:38] <tritium> fysa, 2.6.12-8-686
[05:38] <hosler> ok
[05:38] <fysa> after rebooting a few times it worked.
[05:38] <WebLOCH> bob2, are you thinking or have you concluded your assistance?
[05:38] <fysa> oh, wait.
[05:38] <fysa> nevermind.
[05:38] <giovann> then what should i do ?
[05:38] <locomorto|food> sono: remove any instance of fglrx.ko
[05:38] <locomorto|food> sono: and install kernel headers and source
[05:38] <fysa> After saying FATAL: Module jfs not found.  it says.. Mounting /dev/hda3 on /root failed: No such device.
[05:38] <djm62> giovann: /mnt is your floppy disk for now, you can save things to it and all that.  When you're finished using it, save your files, quit the programs, and type "sudo umount /mnt"
[05:38] <hosler> How can I change gnomes default file browser from nautilus to rox? For example I want rox to show the files of my usbdisk when I plug it in and not nautilus.
[05:38] <thoreauputic> WebLOCH: when modprobe says nothing, it has succeeded
[05:38] <locomorto|food> sono: then you sould be able to build without problem
[05:38] <fysa> I think I need jfs compiled into the kernel?
[05:39] <BlueEagle> fysa: is your root filesystem jfs?
[05:39] <fysa> yes.
[05:39] <johnnybezak> whats jfs?
[05:39] <giovann> the problem is i don't know how to mount
[05:39] <WebLOCH> thoreauputic, I know, but I was asking if he had further information or if that was the end, seeing as he was offering to help get sound sorted
[05:39] <djm62> giovann: you have mounted it
[05:39] <daloydoy> thoreauputic: thank you very much
[05:39] <BlueEagle> fysa: Then you would probably need to roll your own kernel as the root filesystem cannot be a module but needs to be in the kernel as far as i can remember.
[05:39] <djm62> giovann: /dev/fd0 is mounted on /mnt
[05:39] <sono> ok locomorto thx, the problem is that breezy's driver and modules, just don't start X, reporting missing GLcore set of symbols
[05:39] <thoreauputic> WebLOCH: if the modprobe succeeded, have you retried sound?
[05:39] <nybble> hey peeps
[05:39] <daloydoy> thoreauputic: i will try...
[05:40] <daloydoy> thoreauputic: salamat...
[05:40] <nybble> hmm...anyone know how i can stop eth0 and eth1 from connecting at bootup?
[05:40] <WebLOCH> you mean retried playing something?  If so then yes I have
[05:40] <giovann> i need to quit the program right now ?
[05:40] <thoreauputic> daloydoy: good luck :)
[05:40] <thoreauputic> WebLOCH: no good?
[05:40] <adamh> nybble: Just once, or every boot?
[05:40] <WebLOCH> nope
[05:40] <djm62> giovann: no, take your time, use /mnt like a normal bit of disk space
[05:40] <WebLOCH> ive tried totem
[05:40] <WebLOCH> and xmms
[05:40] <BlueEagle> fysa: Either that or you need to choose another filesystem for your root.
[05:40] <fysa> BlueEagle: Exactly the problem.  It worked fine with Hoary. :P
[05:40] <nybble> adamh: every reboot... i have no need half the time
[05:40] <adamh> nybble: Every boot: remove the "auto" lines from /etc/network/interfaces
[05:40] <thoreauputic> WebLOCH: and all channels are unmuted in alsamixer?
[05:40] <fysa> Hoary let me make jfs as the rootfs.
[05:40] <nybble> ah ok
[05:40] <fysa> When I upgraded to Breezy (popped CD in) ..
[05:40] <nybble> thx adamh
[05:40] <WebLOCH> havent checked it yet
[05:41] <adamh> nybble: np :)
[05:41] <giovann> bash: /dev/fd0: Permission denied
[05:41] <fysa> it didn't bother checking.
[05:41] <thoreauputic> WebLOCH: check it then - often that's the problem
[05:41] <WebLOCH> thoreauputic, alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device
[05:41] <BlueEagle> fysa: Well, it would appear that the kernel shipped with breezy hasn't got jfs buildt in then. :)
[05:41] <djm62> giovann: what was that the output from?
[05:41] <pc22> nomasteryoda|w, installed now. where can i find it?
[05:41] <thoreauputic> WebLOCH: Ok you have a problem still, evidently :(
[05:41] <nomasteryoda|w> http://localhost:901
[05:41] <fysa> haha.  exactly. :)
[05:41] <giovann> when i was type the /dev/fd0
[05:41] <giovann> that was the output
[05:42] <fysa> Now I'm at a loss though.
[05:42] <thoreauputic> WebLOCH: if you are around when crimsun is here, he might be able to help
[05:42] <fysa> I think I have to reinstall all over with Hoary again? :(
[05:42] <WebLOCH> ahh okay
[05:42] <djm62> giovann: what are you trying to do, if you don't mind me asking?
[05:42] <nybble> oh, adamh, how might i disable ntpupdate on startup?
[05:42] <BlueEagle> fysa: I think chroot is on the breezy install cd
[05:42] <WebLOCH> do you know when he might be around?  I am on UK time so sleep is well overdue
[05:42] <giovann> im trying to mount the floppy
[05:42] <crimsun> fysa: generate a new initramfs with the jfs module included.
[05:42] <djm62> giovann: the floppy is mounted
[05:42] <thoreauputic> WebLOCH: umm.. here he is
[05:42] <BlueEagle> fysa: just boot the breezy install cd and hit ALT+F2 when the install app has started. Mount the root filesystem and chroot into it.
[05:42] <nomasteryoda|w> WebLOCH, that's like what 4am?
[05:42] <giovann> its already mounted ?
[05:43] <djm62> giovann: yes
[05:43] <fysa> I'll see if I can chroot.
[05:43] <WebLOCH> gaga
[05:43] <WebLOCH> haha*
[05:43] <pc22> nomasteryoda|w, were u talking to me? http://localhost:901
[05:43] <giovann> what is the next ?
[05:43] <WebLOCH> its about 4.45
[05:43] <nomasteryoda|w> pc22, yes
[05:43] <adamh> nybble: Erm.... update-rc.d ntpdate remove
[05:43] <djm62> giovann: when you typed "mount -o user,rw -t vfat /dev/fd0 /mnt" you mounted it
[05:43] <BlueEagle> fysa: ofcourse it would help if you had the kernel sources so you might want to run the installer to the point where you have detected ip adress from the dhcp server (if applicable)
[05:43] <adamh> nybble: maybe with a "-f" for good measure :)
[05:43] <BlueEagle> and then copy /etc/resolv.conf to /ubuntu/etc
[05:43] <pc22> nomasteryoda|w, not connection was refused
[05:43] <djm62> giovann: now when you want to put things on and off the disk, you use the directory /mnt
[05:43] <nybble> worked
[05:43] <nybble> thx
[05:43] <nomasteryoda|w> pc22, guessing swat is not running
[05:44] <WebLOCH> hey crimsun, do you fancy giving me a hand with my audiowoe?
[05:44] <BlueEagle> ...provided you mount your ubunto root on /ubuntu ofcourse.
[05:44] <djm62> giovann: and when you're finished using the disk, you type "sudo umount /mnt"
[05:44] <pc22> how do i start it
[05:44] <durt> how can i get the lpr command to stop adding a top margin to my documents when i print?
[05:44] <fysa> unfortunately, Breezy installer won't go beyond detecting partitions for me (hence why I needed to go Hoary->Breezy)
[05:44] <BlueEagle> fysa: The only way that will not work is if the install cd doesn't know what jfs is. :p
[05:44] <Plazma> ubuntu is the greatest linux distro ever!
[05:44] <djm62> and take the disk out
[05:44] <todd__> anyone recommend a good dock plugin for gnome like the bottom dock in mac osx?
[05:44] <caloy> asdas
[05:44] <BlueEagle> fysa: Did you check the md5 sum of the iso?
[05:44] <djm62> giovann: floppies are kind of annoying...I can't recommend USB keys enough ;)
[05:44] <BlueEagle> fysa: ...or the install CD for errors?
[05:44] <dabaR> Plazma: in fact it is gnu/linux
[05:44] <fysa> yeah.
[05:45] <fysa> I tried the daily also..
[05:45] <Divix> what do all of you find is the lowest amount of ram that runs Ubuntu decent ?
[05:45] <nomasteryoda|w> pc22, should be listed in /etc/init.d/
[05:45] <vader1102> todd__, I jave used K-Docler
[05:45] <nomasteryoda|w> gah
[05:45] <nomasteryoda|w> oh well
[05:45] <djm62> giovann: if you type "mount" it will list everything that's mounted, should you get confused
[05:45] <vader1102> docker
[05:45] <adamh> Divix: Totally depends what you want to do with it
[05:45] <Divix> Mainly network diag, web,
[05:45] <nomasteryoda|w> vader1102, kxdocker?
[05:45] <giovann> ok
[05:45] <vader1102> yes...sorry
[05:45] <Plazma> Divix, i have ubuntu on a ppc ibook with 192MB of ram and it runs beatifully
[05:45] <djm62> night all
[05:45] <BlueEagle> divix: web as in webserver or as in web browsing?
[05:45] <dabaR> night
[05:46] <WebLOCH> crimsun, you about?
[05:46] <BlueEagle> divix: is it important for you to see images when browsing?
[05:46] <Divix> smooth,..... my 128 is not working so swift (700mhz)
[05:46] <todd__> vader1102, when i tried installing it the background of it is black, any way to make it transparent?
[05:46] <Divix> yes
[05:46] <nomasteryoda|w> pc22, man swat
[05:46] <nomasteryoda|w> or info swat
[05:46] <Marruk> what clients does ubuntu come with chat client instant and irc?
[05:46] <Plazma> Divix, i use xfce as my desktop and it runs fairly decent.. 366mhz 192mb ram
[05:46] <nomasteryoda|w> pc22, i don't have it installed here
[05:46] <Plazma> Marruk, gaim and xchat
[05:46] <dabaR> Marruk: gaim
[05:46] <thoreauputic> Marruk: xchat IRC, gaim IM
[05:46] <vader1102> todd__,  I have no clue, it is my bedtime
[05:46] <BlueEagle> divix: on 128 mb and 700 mhz you should be able to run xorg and a light-weight windowmanager and opera or firefox smoothly. May I recomend xfce4, openbox or icewm (in random order)
[05:47] <Marruk> thoreauputic thanks
[05:47] <Divix> I am rather new to this, xfce?
[05:47] <crimsun> WebLOCH: yes?
[05:47] <hosler> How can I change gnomes default file browser from nautilus to rox? For example I want rox to show the files of my usbdisk when I plug it in and not nautilus.
[05:47] <WebLOCH>  crimsun, Ive been told you mght be able to help me sort out my audio problems, if you have time?
[05:47] <durt> firefox is not smooth
[05:47] <Phily> divid,I use to run a PII 450 Mhz with enlignement 16 with absolutly no prob
[05:47] <BlueEagle> durt: fact or opinion?
[05:47] <Divix> sweet
[05:47] <todd__> vader1102, ok, thanks!
[05:48] <crimsun> WebLOCH: sure, what're the issues?
[05:48] <Divix> I am a server/network tech and i am just now getting into the open source enviroment...
[05:48] <giovann> what is the command when mounting the floopy disk ?
[05:48] <durt> blueeagle: fact - opera is much more responsive, but it doesnt look as good
[05:48] <Phily> divx: with X you need more  RAM and then its going to run smothrt
[05:48] <Divix> cool... thanks
[05:48] <Plazma> Divix, you want to use ubuntu as a desktop or server?
[05:48] <WebLOCH> crabstic, not sure yet, I just know that current suggestions have lead people not  to know the answer
[05:49] <Divix> Just desktop
[05:49] <BlueEagle> durt: is that before or after you've disabled ipv6 in firefox?
[05:49] <WebLOCH> crimsun, that was for you haha
[05:49] <Divix> using it now as i have heard it is great for a first linux run
[05:49] <WebLOCH> not crabstick
[05:49] <dabaR> lol
[05:49] <Plazma> Divix, ive used linux off and on for 3 years and counting and im stuck on ubuntu now, very good for desktop use
[05:49] <WebLOCH> crimsun, if i load alsamixer i get an error and if i attempt load an mp3 in xmms i get a similar error
[05:49] <WebLOCH> basc
[05:49] <BlueEagle> durt: ..and opera is quite skinnable, so I don't see how you can make looks an issue in the depate.
[05:49] <crimsun> WebLOCH: erm, so essentially you have no sound?
[05:49] <thoreauputic> WebLOCH: you might start by teling him what your sound card is...
[05:49] <BlueEagle> debate*
[05:49] <hosler> Divix, ubuntu=awsome
[05:50] <BlueEagle> (mu b fell over)
[05:50] <Divix> So now i am basically using it for Ethereal, Terminal to my servers, and MISC web browsing/ reseraching
[05:50] <durt> blueeagle, ive done all that tweaking; im talking about the app itself (ie, it takes a while the file menu to open after you click on it)
[05:50] <WebLOCH> crimsun,  yeah its an ASUS mobo with HDA sound, provided by Realtek I can get the exact version if you like
[05:50] <hosler> Divix, I use ethereal too. Its aslo awsome.
[05:50] <crimsun> WebLOCH: is this with Hoary or Breezy?
[05:50] <adamh> Divix: 128MB should be fine. Firefox can be a bit heavy, but otherwise 128MB is plenty, even for GNOME
[05:50] <dabaR> awesome
[05:50] <WebLOCH> crimsun, it is Hoary
[05:50] <nybble> hmm
[05:50] <nybble> adamh: hmm, it seems hotplug is enabling it anyway
[05:50] <disasm> Divix: unless you want to stick with ubuntu i'd say try everything before ubuntu, because once you try ubuntu everything else will just be disappointing to use ;-) j/k
[05:50] <crimsun> WebLOCH: cat /proc/asound/modules
[05:51] <WebLOCH> Breezy rejects my user devices
[05:51] <BlueEagle> durt: Oh, well I've not seen any noticable lag in it. Might be just me that is lucky though.
[05:51] <WebLOCH> cat /proc/asound/modules
[05:51] <WebLOCH> bah
[05:51] <durt> blueeagle, opera also has that add banner
[05:51] <crimsun> WebLOCH: actually if you're on Hoary, you'll need to compile the azx driver. I'm sending you instructions.
[05:51] <fysa> ALT-F2 -> BusyBox doesn't have jfs either. :/
[05:51] <crimsun> !tell WebLOCH about alsa-source
[05:51] <Divix> I have been told that Ubuntu does not use RPM's as i once played with (3 years ago) in redhat, What is its standard?
[05:51] <BlueEagle> durt: No it doesn't.
[05:51] <roxville> Divix, if you wanna try something fun (besides ubuntu) , try elive
[05:51] <BlueEagle> durt: unless you're too cheap to pay for it.
[05:51] <disasm> Divix: debs
[05:51] <Plazma> !elive
[05:51] <ubotu> Plazma: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
[05:51] <thoreauputic> Divix: .deb
[05:51] <anethema> hey whats gonna be the name of the breezy successor?
[05:51] <Divix> thanks
[05:52] <jsgotangco> dapper
[05:52] <hosler> I upgraded to breezy and now when I try to restart my laptop it doesnt turn the computer off after it shuts down everything else. I just have a blank screen and I have to hold the power button to turn off. Is there a way to fix this?
[05:52] <thoreauputic> Divix: Ubuntu is based on Debian
[05:52] <fysa> I've got a GRML CD I can use..
[05:52] <Divix> What is redhat (rpm's) base from?
[05:52] <tritium> hosler, that's a bug with the ipw2200 driver.  Is it a Toshiba Tecra?
[05:52] <thoreauputic> !tell Divix about docs
[05:52] <Plazma> Divix, ubuntu uses an awesome package system that once you use, you wont want to live without
[05:52] <BlueEagle> hosler: Seems like a broken acpi setting. Might be an issue with the kernel. Are you using the 386 ot 686 kernel?
[05:52] <locomorto> !tell Divix about docs
[05:52] <durt> blueeagle: yes im quite niggardly :)
[05:52] <hosler> tritium: Its a Toshiba Satellite.
[05:52] <thoreauputic> Divix: rpm is a Red Hat invention
[05:52] <hosler> BlueEagle: 386
[05:53] <tritium> hosler, a few of us with Toshibas with ipw2200 have that problem too
[05:53] <Divix> the synmantec?
[05:53] <dabaR> anethema: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=65536&highlight=dapper
[05:53] <sono> locomorto|food : I am getting the same error -> Skipping "/usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions/libGLcore.a:m_debug_clip.o"
[05:53] <WebLOCH> crimsun, its giving me a bunch of options, i have no idea which are correct
[05:53] <thoreauputic> !tell Divix about synaptic
[05:53] <sono> locomorto|food : after compiling the driver
[05:53] <WebLOCH> crimsun, nm installing
[05:53] <BlueEagle> hosler: You could try the 686 kernel (if hardware supports it), but it might be the same config bar cpu enhancement so it might be broken in that build as well.
[05:53] <crimsun> WebLOCH: say "no" to isapnp and "yes" to debug
[05:53] <thoreauputic> Divix: check your /msg es :)
[05:53] <dabaR> WebLOCH: use the azx driver
[05:53] <disasm> Divix: after using ubuntu about the only other distro i can stand using is gentoo, and thats only on a really fast machine i dont have to productive on
[05:53] <tritium> BlueEagle, it's an ipw2200 bug
[05:53] <BlueEagle> hosler: In any case you should bug-report it.
[05:53] <nybble> anyone know how to stop hotplug from enabling a net interface
[05:53] <nybble> ?
[05:53] <sono> locomorto|food : of course that's only part of the whole set of missing files
[05:53] <crimsun> evenin', tritium
[05:54] <hosler> tritium: Im not use to linux (native bsd user), so could you tell me the shutdown command? I usually have to exit to gdm and then to shutdown.
[05:54] <hosler> BlueEagle: ok
[05:54] <tritium> hi crimsun :)
[05:54] <BlueEagle> tritium: ?
[05:54] <dabaR> nybble: paste your /etc/network/interfaces to a paste/ubuntulinux.nl page
[05:54] <WebLOCH> crimsun,  i may need to redo this then, I said yes to "isapnp" and no to "debug
[05:54] <Plazma> hosler, shutdown -h now
[05:54] <tritium> BlueEagle, yes>?
[05:54] <locomorto> sono: it hink thats a problem with mplayer
[05:54] <hosler> Plazma: ok thanks
[05:54] <crimsun> WebLOCH: yes, then please ctrl+c
[05:54] <adamh> nybble: /etc/hotplug/blacklist.d: add a file, and put the interface's module name. But you'd be better off letting hotplug load the interface and just not try and get an address for it (i.e., through /etc/network/interfaces)
[05:54] <locomorto> sono: check the mplayer site
[05:54] <crimsun> WebLOCH: then sudo dpkg-reconfigure alsa-source
[05:55] <locomorto> sono: I am assuming of course that you are using mplayer
[05:55] <BlueEagle> tritium: Is it a bug in the acpi implementation of a spesific laptop?
[05:55] <locomorto> sono: Or is this something else?
[05:55] <locomorto> sono: me is confused
[05:55] <sono> locomorto... will that cause a conflict for compiling fglrx drivers?
[05:55] <Divix> Thanks for all the info, i always like to introdue my clients to well created distros...
[05:55] <Divix> Goodbye
[05:56] <disasm> nybble: are you referring to hotplug enabling the module or the actual bringing up of the interface?
[05:56] <tritium> BlueEagle, it's bug
[05:56] <tritium> 13882
[05:56] <sono> s/for/when
[05:56] <BlueEagle> tritium: Ahh, ok.
[05:56] <nybble> disasm: bringing it up...
[05:56] <BlueEagle> hosler: If you've got that spesific hardware that bug 13882 describes then it's a known issue.
[05:56] <nybble> disasm, adamh, dabaR: http://pastebin.ubuntulinux.nl/2335 my /etc/network/interfaces
[05:57] <hosler> ok
[05:57] <disasm> nybble: remove lines 11 - 13
[05:57] <selinium> what is the command line for finding out what flavour linux is installed?
[05:58] <nybble> but i want to be able to easily turn it on when needed...
[05:58] <WebLOCH> crimsun, what exactly was it you wanted me to paste
[05:58] <BlueEagle> selinium: cat /etc/issue will often tell you
[05:58] <nybble> i do that, it doesnt work easily
[05:58] <crimsun> selinium: for LSB-compliant distros, lsb_release -a
[05:58] <WebLOCH> the output from the compile/install ?
[05:58] <dabaR> nybble: comment them out. # is the comment symbol
[05:58] <selinium> cheers guys!
[05:58] <disasm> nybble: ifup ethX where x is number of interface
[05:58] <nybble> i know that
[05:58] <disasm> nybble: err sudo ifup ethX
[05:58] <crimsun> WebLOCH: nothing if the operation's successful. What's the last thing you executed?
[05:59] <nybble> ok...
[05:59] <nybble> brb testing
[05:59] <WebLOCH> did the instruction the bot sent me
[05:59] <WebLOCH> then used the reconfiggure command to change the options i set incorrectly
[05:59] <WebLOCH> no perceivable failures
[06:00] <crimsun> WebLOCH: in that case you need to recompile the modules: sudo debian/rules binary_modules KSRC=/lib/modules/$(uname -r)/build KVERS=$(uname -r)
[06:00] <bz0b> quepapas!
[06:00] <hosler> Are there any good disk defragmentors out there?
[06:00] <BlueEagle> hosler: for which file system?
[06:00] <thoreauputic> hosler: you don't normally need to defrag in Linux
[06:00] <hosler> BlueEagle: ext2, if thats what ubuntu uses.
[06:00] <disasm> hosler: defrag? whats that?
[06:01] <WebLOCH> crimsun,  a lot of output again none of it seems failed
[06:01] <dr_willis> lol
[06:01] <adamh> hosler: It doesn't get fragmented much, you don't need a defragmenter :)
[06:01] <bz0b> QUEPAPAS!
[06:01] <snowowl> linux doesnt need ext3 is journalized
[06:01] <hosler> adamh: ok
[06:01] <thoreauputic> hosler: unless you have a full  drive or something unusual, no need to defrag at all
[06:01] <dr_willis> Ugly windows habbits are hard to kick.
[06:01] <crimsun> WebLOCH: dpkg -l alsa-modules\*|grep ^ii
[06:01] <bz0b> eww, winblows sucks
[06:02] <bz0b> i think dapper drake will rape vista
[06:02] <BlueEagle> hosler: ubuntu can use many filesystems, but they are less prone to fragmentation than other (read fat and ntfs) filesystems.
[06:02] <hosler> disasm: rearanges data on hard drive to make things load faster is a broad definition.
[06:02] <snowowl> any one trying beagle
[06:02] <bz0b> even hoary would be better then vista
[06:02] <WebLOCH> crimsun, ii  alsa-modules-2 1.0.8-4ubuntu4 ALSA driver modules
[06:02] <hosler> ok
[06:02] <WebLOCH> vista = macosx
[06:02] <crimsun> WebLOCH: good. Now sudo modprobe snd-azx
[06:02] <geez> ?
[06:02] <WebLOCH> I ran the beta for awhile
[06:02] <bz0b> is it macos?
[06:02] <adamh> snowowl: I've had it for a while, yeah...
[06:02] <nybble> alright
[06:02] <nybble> didnt work
[06:02] <WebLOCH> crimsun, no output
[06:02] <selinium>  /j #redhat
[06:02] <ksmurf> night all
[06:02] <nybble> Ignoring unknown interface eth1=eth1. when i run ifup eth1
[06:02] <disasm> hosler: yeah, i know, i still run it on client windows machines ;-) just haven't had to ever do it on linux in the last 7 years or so i've been using it
[06:03] <bz0b> brb
[06:03] <WebLOCH> bz0b, it seems like macosx
[06:03] <crimsun> WebLOCH: tail -2 /proc/asound/oss/sndstat
[06:03] <bz0b> WebLOCH, Well, I would doubt it, considering MacOS is good
[06:03] <bz0b> brb
[06:03] <disasm> hosler: can you pastebin output of ifconfig -a
[06:03] <WebLOCH> bz0b, I dont much like it
[06:03] <WebLOCH> crimsun, Mixers:
[06:03] <WebLOCH> 0: Realtek ID 882
[06:03] <hosler> disasm: sure just give me url to pastebin. I dont remembe it.
[06:03] <bz0b> WebLOCH, Well, you do know its based off of FreeBSD
[06:03] <WebLOCH> bz0b, yeah
[06:03] <crimsun> oh geez, an 882.
[06:04] <crimsun> This nightmare will never end
[06:04] <WebLOCH> haha
[06:04] <disasm> pastebin.ubuntulinux.nl
[06:04] <WebLOCH> where did you get the madphatsoundskills?
[06:04] <bz0b> WebLOCH, brb
[06:04] <WebLOCH> bz0b,  ok
[06:04] <snowowl> Im gonna try it
[06:04] <BlueEagle> hosler: There's a subtle difference between defragmenting files (put files in a continuous "line" on the harddisk) and rearranging files so things load faster (arrange several files in a particular order so that they are stored in the sequence most commonly used and thus using some nifty caching side effects to load faster) or so I've been told.
[06:04] <crimsun> WebLOCH: can you hear anything with ''aplay /usr/share/sounds/startup.wav''?
[06:04] <disasm> hosler: oops, that meant to be nybble
[06:05] <nybble> lol...
[06:05] <WebLOCH> Yes
[06:05] <giovann> mount: /dev/fd0 is not a valid block device
[06:05] <disasm> nybble: can you pastebin output of ifconfig -a
[06:05] <WebLOCH> crimsun,  yes I can
[06:05] <crimsun> WebLOCH: excellent, problem resolved.
[06:05] <hosler> disasm: http://pastebin.ubuntulinux.nl/2336 there you go anyway
[06:05] <WebLOCH> so it is
[06:05] <nybble> uhm ok
[06:05] <WebLOCH> crimsun,  "mad props" i believe is the expression
[06:05] <crimsun> WebLOCH: if you're in GNOME, just log out of and back into GNOME
[06:05] <nybble> it'll be diff since i had to re-enable it to be online here
[06:05] <hosler> BlueEagle: i said it was a broad definition, haha
[06:06] <WebLOCH> crimsun, do you know if breezy will have support by default ?
[06:06] <disasm> hosler: is vmnet vmware virtual interfaces?
[06:06] <crimsun> WebLOCH: it will, but we're chasing a driver regression for the ALC880 codec
[06:06] <WebLOCH> ahh
[06:06] <WebLOCH> fair enough
[06:06] <WebLOCH> brb gonna logout
[06:06] <nybble> disasm: http://pastebin.ubuntulinux.nl/2337
[06:06] <hosler> disasm: yeah
[06:06] <giovann> can some one here give me a command by mounting a floopy drive ?
[06:07] <nybble> thats after i renabled it in /etc/network/interfaces tho
[06:07] <selinium> Aaaaargh, 05:07 in the moring here. I really should go to bed!
[06:07] <durt> dont you have school selinium?
[06:08] <narg> self.sleep(selinium)
[06:08] <haja> Anyone have any tips for tweaking Linux for UT2004?
[06:08] <BlueEagle> giovann: sudo mount /dev/fdX /path/to/mountpoint   where X is the floppy drive number (usually 0) and /path/to/mountpoint is the (existing) directory where you want the files on your floppy drive to appear.
[06:08] <giovann> what is the command in mounting by floopy drive ?
[06:08] <WebLOCH> crimsun,  cheers very much, sound appears to be runnin fine
[06:08] <giovann> ok
[06:08] <disasm> nybble: hmmm removing lines 11-13 should have only affected eth0 by the looks of it, eth1 shouldn't have been affected at all
[06:08] <narg> sudo mount /media/floppy0
[06:08] <nybble> oh crap lol
[06:08] <narg> try that
[06:08] <adamh> haja: The one issue I've had (so long ago I forgot about it) is that hotplug loads a crappy AGP module, and the one supplied by the proprietary nVidia driver is way better.
[06:08] <dr_willis> haja,  boot a minimal window manager. or set up a X session that just runs the game
[06:09] <adamh> haja: agpgart, I mean
[06:09] <geez> ive installed ubuntu as server, now i want to install xfce4 how would i do this?
[06:09] <WebLOCH> jdk
[06:09] <adamh> haja: I forget the details, but that could get you started if you're getting a way-too-low framerate
[06:09] <nybble> i'll try that disasm.brb once again
[06:09] <selinium> durt: lol, project supposed to be finished 2 months ago, dead line today... or looking for new job possibly! :|
[06:09] <fysa> Can I mount my initrd and copy jfs.ko to it manually?
[06:09] <haja> Well.... its not really that bad. I mean average around 40 fps... I'm running a 9800 Pro 128mb btw
[06:09] <durt> adamh: whats the option in xorg.conf that loads agpgart?
[06:09] <disasm> geez: sudo apt-get install xfce4 dont forget to add repos to sources.list (universe and multiverse, not sure which one xfce is in)
[06:09] <BlueEagle> geez: did you try sudo apt-get xfce4
[06:10] <hosler> So will windows adopt linux or bsd?
[06:10] <BlueEagle> geez: or even better: aptitude install xfce4
[06:10] <dr_willis> hosler,  they will go back to dos.. ddent you read the anoucements?
[06:11] <hosler> dr_willis: haha
[06:11] <thoreauputic> geez: sudo aptitude install xfce4 x-window-system-core gdm
[06:11] <narg> selinium: How far away from finishing it?
[06:11] <narg> *are you
[06:11] <WebLOCH> How do I install from a .bin file?
[06:11] <disasm> WebLOCH: what is it your installing?
[06:11] <selinium> probably a day.... Depends how many stupid mistakes I can make!
[06:11] <narg> ./file.bin runs it.
[06:11] <WebLOCH> JDK + Netbeans 4.1
[06:11] <dr_willis> you run a .bin file.
[06:12] <WebLOCH> narg I tried that
[06:12] <disasm> WebLOCH: use java-package
[06:12] <dr_willis> sh whatever.bin
[06:12] <narg> install it by putting it your path?
[06:12] <BlueEagle> webloch: chmod u+x filename.bin
[06:12] <Agrajag> narg: not unless it's executable, which it most likely is not.
[06:12] <BlueEagle> webloch: then ./filename.bin
[06:12] <haja> What doe CVS mean?
[06:12] <narg> Agrajag: I assumed the .bin file would be executable, :p
[06:12] <haja> lol..
[06:12] <dr_willis> they need to quiot naming the things .bin and use somthing like foobar.runme
[06:12] <dr_willis> :P
[06:12] <durt> concurrent versions system
[06:12] <WebLOCH> sh doesnt work
[06:12] <narg> concurrent versioning system
[06:12] <disasm> WebLOCH: sudo apt-get install java-package; make-jpkg <name_of_bin>; dpkg -i <name_of_deb>
[06:13] <dr_willis> try  'file whatever.bin' and see what kind of file it is
[06:13] <WebLOCH> I didnt think Java-package was the official Sub set ?
[06:13] <narg> dr_willis: some do, but yea
[06:13] <crimsun> WebLOCH: yw
[06:13] <Agrajag> narg: it might be a binary, but a file you download is not executable until you tell it to be.
[06:13] <WebLOCH> Blue-Box,  ty
[06:13] <nybble> thanks guys, it worked...
[06:13] <narg> I know, I just foolishly assume he had already chmod 777 or whatever'd it. Silly me :)
[06:13] <BlueEagle> webloch: I'm not blue-box. :p
[06:14] <WebLOCH> Blue-Box,  you are now!
[06:14] <WebLOCH> BlueEagle, sorry was me being slack
[06:14] <BlueEagle> ;D
[06:14] <Agrajag> yeah, if he doesn't know how to run it, you gotta assume he doesn't know chmod either :/
[06:14] <BlueEagle> weiss: No problem.
[06:14] <WebLOCH> ive used chmod before
[06:14] <WebLOCH> when I installed warty i didnt need to chmod it
[06:14] <WebLOCH> to run it
[06:14] <WebLOCH> so I wasnt sure what was going on
[06:15] <Agrajag> well now you know
[06:15] <WebLOCH> indeed
[06:15] <cevizoglu> narg, you shouldn't chmod 777, chmod +x is safer
[06:15] <dabaR> wehats a WebLOCH ?
[06:15] <narg> cevizoglu: I have no other users, but 4/5 accounts that I use, so I world allow most everything.
[06:16] <WebLOCH> dabaR, I was writing a program once that was to be called WebLOCH, however I usurped the name when signing up for a new email address one day, and it kind of stuck, been using it as a programming handle since
[06:17] <BlueEagle> dabar: It's a big pool of stuff on the web. From the scottish name for lake. Hence WebLOCH.
[06:17] <shorty114> i've installed XFCE using apt-get, but when i log out, there isn't any XFCE in the Sessions list... how do i use XFCE?
[06:17] <crimsun> shorty114: did you install xfce4?
[06:18] <shorty114> crimsun, i did "sudo apt-get install xfce"
[06:18] <crimsun> shorty114: no, use xfce4
[06:18] <shorty114> should i uninstall xfce?
[06:18] <crimsun> no
[06:18] <haja> Is there anyway to get my extra mouse buttons to work in Firefox as back/forward?
[06:18] <shorty114> and then install xfce4?
[06:18] <shorty114> ok i'll do xfce4
[06:18] <dabaR> shorty114: use aptitude it is better.
[06:18] <dabaR> shorty114: for the task....
[06:18] <shorty114> dabaR, instead of XFCE?
[06:18] <dabaR> no, instead of apt-get
[06:19] <shorty114> oho k
[06:19] <BlueEagle> shorty114: As dabar sais. aptitude is "the bettery way"(tm)
[06:19] <shorty114> aptitude install xfce4?
[06:19] <BlueEagle> shorty114: sudo aptitude install xfce4, but yes.
[06:19] <shorty114> ok
[06:19] <BlueEagle> dabar: I'm going to have to stick with this forever now, you know.
[06:20] <WebLOCH> Does anyone here know if GNU java compiler is for sun java specifically
[06:20] <geez> ive installed ubuntu as server, now i want to install xfce4 how would i do this?
[06:20] <WebLOCH> or is it a custom implementation?
[06:20] <shorty114> ookay this'll take a while
[06:20] <crimsun> WebLOCH: cleanroom implementation
[06:20] <BlueEagle> shorty114: what time is it?
[06:20] <xark> WebLOCH: Its Java, but its specifically not Suns...
[06:20] <pedri2> i'm using kubuntu and i would like to include the games installed in ubuntu, how do i do that?
[06:20] <shorty114> geez, in terminal, sudo aptitude install xfce4
[06:20] <WebLOCH> Hmm
[06:20] <WebLOCH> I might aswell uninstall it then
[06:20] <shorty114> BlueEagle, uh, 9:20 pm?
[06:20] <shorty114> 21 now
[06:20] <xark> WebLOCH: Yes.  I was having problems using Sun's Java with the gcj runtime (almost worked... :)
[06:21] <geez> shorty114: does that install xorg?
[06:21] <geez> as well*
[06:21] <shorty114> geez, idk
[06:21] <WebLOCH> crimsun, xark,  do either of you know if compiling java is actually any faster than interpreted ?
[06:21] <narg> doesnt aptitude keep a seperate database than apt-get/dpkg?
[06:21] <BlueEagle> shorty114: Well, get your evenin' meal done and go to sleep. It might be done when you wake up. :p
[06:21] <WebLOCH> xark, java for windows is appalling, its the main reason for my changeover
[06:21] <shorty114> geez, if it needs it, i guess it'll install xorg too
[06:21] <shorty114> it's already unpacking
[06:21] <BlueEagle> shorty114: it needs it and it will install it.
[06:21] <BlueEagle> shorty114: might not configure it for you though...
[06:21] <xark> WebLOCH: With most JVMs, I think it JIT compiles.  Its possibly to nativly compile with gcj, but I am not sure how much of a win it is (or how well it works).
[06:22] <shorty114> BlueEagle, xorg?
[06:22] <shorty114> i already have GNOMe on here...
[06:22] <BlueEagle> shorty114: yes.
[06:22] <shorty114> so i'd have xorg, right?
[06:22] <BlueEagle> shorty114: if you've got gnome then you've got xorg.
[06:22] <shorty114> sweet
[06:22] <shorty114> i just can't stand gnome
[06:22] <shorty114> and kde's too high-end for my machine :)(
[06:22] <BlueEagle> shorty114: thus it won't install it or touch your xorg.conf
[06:23] <crimsun> WebLOCH: if you can notice the difference, you need to be working for a company to improve the performance of the JITter ;)
[06:23] <disasm> shorty114: i dont think it will install it, at least with debian sarge it doesn't because i have a couple servers with no xserver, but have xfce or fluxbox installed for use in vnc (which doesn't require an xserver)
[06:23] <shorty114> BlueEagle, i know, i was talking to geez
[06:23] <WebLOCH> crimsun, I havent had a chance to try it yet, but judging by the poor state of the garbage collector, I can only imagine natively compiled code being faster
[06:23] <BlueEagle> shorty114: Then you might want to prefix with geez:  hehe
 geez, if it needs it, i guess it'll install xorg too
[06:24] <WebLOCH> crimsun, Also the windows implementation of the JVM is not particularly impressive by comparison to the linux versions for example
[06:24] <shorty114> but that can also be taken as not a nick :)
[06:24] <xark> WebLOCH: I think its just a question of _when_ it gets turned into native code (compile time, or as needed at run time).
[06:24] <dr_willis> doing a server install. then installing X. :P
[06:24] <crimsun> WebLOCH: well, natively compiled code wouldn't help with the garbage collection being any faster
[06:24] <BlueEagle> shorty114: That's what happens when people use nicks that look like d00d sp34k for jees :p
[06:24] <RRubin> when i select a different keyboard layout (dvorkak) all the ctrl-keys are still in the old one. is this a gtk bug?
[06:24] <shorty114> i wonder if he has any problems with people going "geez, shut up" to other people...
[06:25] <crimsun> RRubin: hmm? dvorak variant?
[06:25] <BlueEagle> shorty114: geez, c'mon. :p
[06:25] <shorty114> so after it's done installing, it should be listed in the Sessions thing in gdm, right?
[06:25] <crimsun> shorty114: yes, it will be
[06:25] <shorty114> so i can just log out and it'll be available?
[06:25] <RRubin> crimsun: it changes which keys are which. eg, f becomes u
[06:25] <disasm> shorty114: thats why i use : it tends to break things better than a comma (ntm tab completion puts it in)
[06:25] <shorty114> sweet
[06:25] <shorty114> thanks
[06:25] <geez> what
[06:25] <BlueEagle> shorty114: You might need to restart the X-server with CTRL+ALT+BackSpace before it appears in gdm
[06:25] <crimsun> RRubin: but ctrl doesn't move. Trust me.
[06:26] <RRubin> crimsun: but ctrl-f still is activating ctrl-f menu keys
[06:26] <RRubin> instead of ctrl-u
[06:26] <BlueEagle> selinium: might even need to run /etc/init.d/gdm restart
[06:26] <WebLOCH> crimsun, I can only assume if you have a native executable its memory management is handled by the operating system rather than the JVM
[06:26] <BlueEagle> (although the former should suffice iirc)
[06:26] <WebLOCH> in which case it would be greatly beneficial
[06:26] <crimsun> RRubin: are you using Hoary or Breezy?
[06:26] <RRubin> crimsun: hoary
[06:26] <crimsun> RRubin: did you move the dvorak selection to the top of the list?
[06:27] <RRubin> crimsun: yes, and made it the default
[06:27] <angry_games> hello everyone...I'm a linux idiot who needs to simply figure out how to get 3d acceleration to work on ubuntu 64-bit and have googled all day and only have made things worse i think lol
[06:27] <crimsun> WebLOCH: but the key to the jvm is that it does the garbage collection.
[06:28] <Nilbus> what arch are ubuntu's packages compiled for? They should work on a Pentium2, right?
[06:28] <WebLOCH> crimsun, im not sure I follow, it seems totally random, and in some cases does not appear to collect after objects are destroyed
[06:28] <crimsun> Nilbus: they'll work on 386
[06:28] <Nilbus> thanks
[06:29] <Nilbus> how much disk space does a default install take?
[06:29] <crimsun> Nilbus: ~1 GB
[06:29] <angry_games> is there anyone that can possibly spend a few minutes telling me what I must do to get a Radeon 9800XT to work correctly?
[06:29] <Nilbus> thanks crimsun
[06:29] <dabaR> !tell angry_games about ati
[06:29] <crimsun> WebLOCH: versions of Java prior to 1.5.0 have serious threading and garbage collection issues
[06:30] <angry_games> thx dabaR i'll take a good read
[06:30] <WebLOCH> That might well be it
[06:30] <WebLOCH> And sloppy programmers
[06:30] <angry_games> ok I have read all of this, and the only thing that ended up happening is that instead of glxrinfo showing my 9800, it is now showing Mesa which is worse
[06:31] <angry_games> I am not opposed to completely reinstalling Ubuntu again to get all the way back to scratch if that is necessary
[06:32] <fadumpt> is the ubuntu-desktop package important?
[06:32] <dr_willis> its a meta-package for all the otehr packages included in the standard desktop layout I think
[06:32] <dabaR> fadumpt: remiove it
[06:32] <dabaR> dr_willis: true
[06:32] <fadumpt> dabaR, you're just saying that
[06:32] <dr_willis> of coruse what that REALLY means... I have no clue..
[06:32] <dr_willis> :P
[06:33] <dr_willis> i think its mainly used - say if they decide a new 'thing' should be standard - they can add it to that package as a dependencie. so its included also by default
[06:33] <dabaR>  dr_willis fadumpt it is a list of packages included in ubuntu desktrop. safe to remove as it is only a list, and is not a package at all
[06:33] <dr_willis> not sure aht other uses all the meta-packages are for,
[06:33] <fadumpt> oh okay
[06:34] <fadumpt> cuz i want totem off
[06:34] <dr_willis> Lol
[06:34] <fadumpt> i just spent the day making mplayer perfect
[06:34] <fadumpt> and now everythign defaults to totem
[06:34] <dabaR> fadumpt: totem is part f the ubuntu desktp~op,, that is why its beng removed too
[06:35] <angry_games> i've figured out how to get mp3's to work, how to install Enemy Territory, etc...but I just cannot get 3d acceleration to work, and all of the ATI stuff I have read and tried only seems to make things worse
[06:35] <giovann> mount: can't find /fd0 in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab
[06:36] <dabaR> giovann: paste ls /dev/fd* to http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl
[06:36] <fadumpt> yeah i can't get 3D nvidia installed, but that's another day
[06:36] <hunterp> how do i turn off password prompt from screensaver
[06:36] <giovann> ok
[06:37] <narg> fadumpt: you installed nvidia-glx, and changed xorg.conf?
[06:37] <giovann> /dev/fd0
[06:37] <giovann> /dev/fd:
[06:37] <giovann> 0  1  2  3
[06:37] <fadumpt> that's next time, but thanks for confirming it narg :)
[06:37] <fadumpt> i tried to do the nvidia driver from thesite
[06:37] <fadumpt> didn't work out
[06:37] <fadumpt> saw an article against debian's install of nvidia
[06:38] <narg> angry_games: ati cards are known for being annoying, I'd help if I didnt have nvidia. Don't know much about ati.
[06:38] <fadumpt> hunterp, go to System, preferences, xscreensaver
[06:38] <dabaR> sudo mkdir /mnt;sudo mkdir /mnt/floppy;sudo mount /dev/fd0 /mnt/floppy. Paste the output to the pastebin, please.
[06:38] <durt> fadumpt: nvidia-glx works fine
[06:38] <fadumpt> uncheck lock screen after
[06:38] <angry_games> the article/forum posts that dabar linked me to told me to NOT install the ATI drivers as the Ubuntu ones were more suited to what I had
[06:38] <angry_games> narg: do you get openGL acceleration by default with nv cards?
[06:38] <hunterp> fadumpt: there is "screensaver" and nothing in there to remove the password prompt
[06:39] <fadumpt> yeah screensaver
[06:39] <fadumpt> and uncheck lock
[06:39] <fadumpt> that should remove it
[06:39] <tjs> trying to find the w32codecs deb for breezy
[06:39] <dabaR> anyone know why a lot of the time when someone says my nick, I dont get his line highlighted? like with the angry_games one just a moment ago. irssi
[06:39] <angry_games> problem is, I have 6800GT, 7800GT, 7800GTX, 6600GT SLI nv cards, but they are all PCI-E and the last time I tried to setup linux on an NF4 it was even worse...at least Ubuntu sees and defaults all the right stuff for this NF3 setup
[06:39] <johndarkhorse> tjs: there is none, go to www.mplayerhq.hu to their downloads page
[06:39] <fadumpt> tjs: i saw a thing on the mplayer (it;s for that right) to make your own .deb, seemed easy
[06:40] <tjs> ah ok
[06:40] <tjs> thanks
[06:40] <fadumpt> it's not *that* hard to install it from source yourself in ubuntu
[06:40] <giovann> mount: mount point /path/to/fd0 does not exist
[06:40] <narg> angry_games: Once I install binary nvidia drivers.
[06:40] <hunterp> fadumpt: it isnt checked
[06:40] <fadumpt> oh, I don't know then....sorry
[06:40] <fadumpt> and i'm going to bed
[06:40] <fadumpt> night
[06:40] <angry_games> narg: argh...then here's a really stupid question...I downloaded the latest ATI rpm package...but I have no clue what to do with them
[06:41] <narg> angry_games: methinks your going to better off with an nvidia card on a wierd port than a ati card.
[06:41] <dabaR> giovann: why /path/to? why not /dev/fd0?
[06:41] <narg> angry_games: sudo alien package.rpm; sudo dpkg -i package.deb
[06:41] <giovann> i want to mount the floopy
[06:41] <angry_games> I've unpacked them...but don't have a clue what to do from there (all linux stuff seems to be for you guys who already know the basics, which leaves super stupid noobs in the dark like me)
[06:41] <angry_games> ok let me try that (THX!)
[06:41] <dabaR> angry_games: you are not super stupid, I am sure.
[06:42] <angry_games> www.dfi-street.com = im not stupid on windows...but on linux i am dumber than Forrest Gump
[06:42] <dabaR> angry_games: you just play games, which is dumbing you down. install using the wiki method, that is the one that is the likeliest to yield results.
[06:43] <qmanman> anyone know if the java install intructions from the hoary "unofficial" guide works with breezy?
[06:43] <angry_games> haha i barely have time for games
[06:43] <qmanman> !java
[06:43] <ubotu> I guess java is to install Java please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java
[06:43] <johndarkhorse> qmanman: the ubuntuguide will lead you into evil
[06:43] <angry_games> i just want to play one in Linux so I can say "I DID IT!!!" and then feel more confident about learning more linux
[06:43] <Toma-> angry_games: in that case, synaptic is your friend. get that setup ight and u can get the ubuuntu deb packages for ati drivers from the right repository
[06:43] <johndarkhorse> !tell qmanman about java
[06:43] <qmanman> hasn't let me down so far =p
[06:44] <narg> angry_games: If the rpms dont work, as Toma said, you might want to try debs.
[06:44] <johndarkhorse> qmanman: it has serious pitfalls for new to *nix users
[06:44] <angry_games> lol im still trying to get to the right ATI dir to run that command
[06:44] <dabaR> johndarkhorse: the packages are not in extras nemore
[06:45] <kewlgurl> hello
[06:45] <angry_games> sudo alien package.rpm; sudo dpkg -i package.deb  (where do i run this from? the same dir as the ATI rpm driver package?)
[06:45] <user_> hello
[06:45] <johndarkhorse> dabaR: then i need to make me a an alias here with the manual instructions, eh?
[06:45] <dabaR> hey kewlgurl!
[06:45] <dabaR> johndarkhorse: true
[06:45] <nybble> hi kewlgurl
[06:45] <Toma-> why bother with rpms :( use the debs that have been built specifically for you
[06:46] <kewlgurl> how do i share printers??? ---newbie
[06:46] <angry_games> Toma-: ok where are they? (remember I have no clue about linux as I have been raised and bred on Windows)
[06:46] <johndarkhorse> angry_games: use synaptic an search to your hearts content
[06:46] <angry_games> i just want to learn this the correct way instead of fumbling through the dark
[06:47] <data_> hi
[06:47] <angry_games> synaptic is a webpage?
[06:47] <johndarkhorse> angry_games: make sure you have all your repositories enabled
[06:47] <johndarkhorse> !tell angry_games about synaptic
[06:47] <Toma-> angry_games: http://ubuntuguide.org/#extrarepositories
[06:47] <data_> hello pips
[06:47] <johndarkhorse> !tell angry_games about sources
[06:47] <Toma-> then run synaptic, and get the flxglx drivers or someting... ill check
[06:47] <johndarkhorse> Toma-: dont recommend ubuntuguide, you will kill his system
[06:47] <angry_games> ubuntuguide.org could not be found
[06:47] <johndarkhorse> !ubuntuguide
[06:47] <ubotu> it has been said that ubuntuguide is out of date, breaks PCs and doesn't explain anything. The official FAQ Guide, which is based on ubuntuguide will soon be the help menu in Breezy. For more information see !faq.
[06:47] <Toma-> sif
[06:47] <Toma-> i used it, and my system is fine
[06:48] <Toma-> oic
[06:48] <johndarkhorse> Toma-: if you use marillat on ubuntu, you will soon find yourself with a dead system
[06:48] <Toma-> nah didnt use that repo
[06:48] <angry_games> ok im reading this synaptic stuff
[06:48] <blank> what's the apt get command to get kde
[06:48] <blank> sudo apt-get install kde
[06:48] <blank> ?
[06:48] <Toma-> kde-base i thinks
[06:48] <angry_games> ps i can afford to kill systems if that is what is needed lol
[06:48] <blank> kay
[06:49] <johndarkhorse> blank: install "kubuntu-desktop"
[06:49] <blank> sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[06:49] <blank> ?
[06:49] <johndarkhorse> angry_games: just stay away from ubuntuguide
[06:49] <johndarkhorse> blank: correct
[06:49] <blank> thanks
[06:49] <blank> it'll still let me choose gnome if it's installed right
[06:49] <johndarkhorse> blank: yes at your login screen under sessions
[06:50] <dabaR>  kewlgurl between ubuntu computers, or ubuntu and oher OSs?
[06:50] <blank> thanks johndarkhorse
[06:50] <beti1> blank : some of  my systemfiles were corrupt, how could i repair this
[06:50] <blank> uh...I'm not a linux pro lol, sorry
[06:50] <DansFloyd> is there anyway to access my windoze partition with ubuntu?
[06:50] <johndarkhorse> blank: i'm not either
[06:50] <blank> LOL
[06:50] <johndarkhorse> !tell DansFloyd about ntfs
[06:50] <blank> well, still, I dont know about that lol
[06:50] <DansFloyd> i could access it when i was useing linspire
[06:51] <blank> how do you install gnome themes
[06:51] <data__> hi 2 everyone
[06:51] <kewlgurl> dabar between ubuntu and other os
[06:51] <blank> do you just run the GTK config file it comes with
[06:51] <angry_games> ubuntu guide doesnt work for me anyway
[06:51] <johndarkhorse> blank: system > prefs > themes
[06:51] <blank> can anyone tell me how to install gnome themes
[06:51] <blank> thanks
[06:51] <Toma-> angry_games: xorg-driver-fglrx is the package you want...
[06:51] <angry_games> ok in this page you sent, ive gotten into the synaptic package manager
[06:52] <kewlgurl> thanks ubotu
[06:52] <angry_games> this picture though shows "Hoary Hedgehog" packages, but my package manager does not
[06:52] <johndarkhorse> angry_games: you should also read the 'sources' link you were sent
[06:52] <blank> if I go to www.gnome-look.org , do I get GTK 2+ themes?
[06:52] <data__> hi poh
[06:52] <DansFloyd> thanks
[06:52] <Ubuntu_NewBie> hello to all masters
[06:52] <data__> hi poh
[06:52] <johndarkhorse> angry_games: synaptic works the same on all debian distros
[06:53] <Ubuntu_NewBie> any pinoy user here?
[06:53] <johndarkhorse> blank: yes gtk2
[06:53] <data__> hi aaron
[06:53] <hondje> isn't gnome 2.12 supposed to have right click to encrypt support in nautilus? If so, where is it in breezy?
[06:53] <blank> thanks
[06:53] <kewlgurl> iam. ubuntu_newbie
[06:54] <omp> hello ubuntists :P
[06:54] <aaron_> dang it. why am i aaron? brb.
[06:54] <Ubuntu_NewBie> kewlgurl, pwede private chat? are you familiar na using linux?
[06:54] <johndarkhorse> hondje: no it is not
[06:54] <sunpascal> can anyone help me to get the login interface to display properly?
[06:54] <sunpascal> I get a blank screen
[06:54] <beti1> hi
[06:54] <sunpascal> and that's it
[06:54] <johndarkhorse> hondje: only konqueror + kgpg
[06:54] <beti1> botom
[06:54] <kewlgurl> quite familiar but not that much
[06:54] <hondje> johndarkhorse: Hrm, okay. I thought it was one of the google SOC things. Thanks :)
[06:55] <sunpascal> the sound works, and if I type my username + password it logs me in
[06:55] <angry_games> ok its downloading something
[06:55] <johndarkhorse> hondje: it may have been, but it hasnt filtered down this far yet
[06:55] <hotgurl_17> hi
[06:55] <Toma-> sunpascal: is the ~/.Xsessions file accessable?
[06:55] <data__> hi poh
[06:55] <hondje> oh well, it's not that much work :) Thanks
[06:55] <beti1> botom
[06:55] <sunpascal> Toma - how do I check?
[06:56] <beti1> botom ngarud
[06:56] <Toma-> ls -sl ~/.Xsessions
[06:56] <volvoguy> much better.
[06:56] <Toma-> actually nevermind
[06:57] <volvoguy> howdy johndarkhorse.
[06:57] <angry_games> ok, i think it updated my Synaptic packages...where am I going from here?
[06:57] <omp> why the +r ?
[06:57] <Hylas> If I install grub on the MBR will it interfer with the 3rd party sata drivers I use to boot windows? Both Ubuntu and windows will be on the same sata drive.
[06:57] <Toma-> angry_games: find the fglrx packages
[06:57] <johndarkhorse> volvoguy: howdy
[06:58] <blank> Hello, I'd like to know if someone could help me installing the additional feautures of clearlooks perfection, found here http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=22989
[06:58] <sunpascal> Toma- where is the ~/.Xsessions file?
[06:58] <blank> I installed the theme
[06:58] <blank> but I need to install the add ons
[06:58] <Toma-> sunpascal: im thinking of another distro, sorry
[06:58] <hondje> ah, it's a plugin...I could just whip up a deb for it
[06:58] <volvoguy> johndarkhorse, i need to catch you over in ##apple for a minute.
[06:58] <johndarkhorse> volvoguy: i'm always there
[06:58] <blank> anyone, please
[06:58] <johndarkhorse> hondje: please do and share the love
[06:59] <angry_games> i see fglrx-control and fglrx-kernel-source in the "all packages" list
[06:59] <sunpascal> Toma- it displayed only 800x600. Then I played around with the xorg.conf and now it works _after_ I log in
[06:59] <johndarkhorse> angry_games: what do you want to install?
[06:59] <blank> what's the apt-get command to install ati drivers
[06:59] <blank> sudo apt-get install ati
[06:59] <Toma-> how about xorg-drivers-fglrx?
[06:59] <blank> or fglrx
[06:59] <omp> hopefully Dapper Drake will be good enough to convince me to switch to ubuntu
[06:59] <sunpascal> Toma- but the login screen doesn't seem to work
[06:59] <sunpascal> what do I do?
[07:00] <angry_games> i just want to enable 3d acceleration on this 9800XT 256MB AGP card
[07:00] <angry_games> it would run the glxgears and the other glxgears thing, but wouldnt run a real openGL application like Enemy Territory
[07:00] <angry_games> it just shuts back to the desktop
[07:00] <sunpascal> can anyone help me please?
[07:01] <blank> angry games
[07:01] <sunpascal> I have display problems....
[07:01] <blank> I can help you, just shut up and let me ask the question
[07:01] <blank> guys
[07:01] <angry_games> blank: er...ok?
[07:01] <blank> what's the apt-get command to install ati drivers, apt-get install ati or fglrx
[07:01] <sanketmedhi> Hello
[07:02] <sunpascal> I feel like going back to windows.....
[07:02] <Toma-> 'apt-get install xorg-driver-fglrx' afaik
[07:02] <blank> afaik?
[07:02] <sanketmedhi> I am on hoary 5.04. I installed amarok using apt-get but i am not able to hear any sound
[07:02] <blank> angry_games, type that in terminal
[07:02] <Toma-> as far as i know ;)
[07:02] <hondje> johndarkhorse: Sure, I'll give it a shot, but the debtools and me never get along too well :)
[07:02] <angry_games> as far as he knows
[07:02] <beti1> try to change the videocard
[07:02] <angry_games> i guess i have to use a 'sudo' before that right
[07:03] <blank> of course
[07:03] <data_> add my account cutyiex_crush09@yahoo.com
[07:03] <Hylas> If I install grub on the MBR will it interfer with the 3rd party sata drivers I use to boot windows? Both Ubuntu and windows will be on the same sata drive.
[07:03] <blank> sudo apt-get install xorg-driver-fglrx
[07:03] <blank> that
[07:03] <angry_games> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[07:03] <angry_games> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[07:03] <Toma-> sudo
[07:03] <dabaR> close synaptic
[07:03] <fysa> is there a howto for using the Ubuntu install CD to chroot?
[07:03] <mushroomblue> angry_games: running synaptic somewhere/
[07:03] <Toma-> and close synaptic
[07:03] <angry_games> oh lol
[07:03] <angry_games> let me close it
[07:03] <CoryK> my cdplayer broke...
[07:03] <Cashel> hi folks.. can anyone tell me what package is the equiv to mysql-devel in hoary? can't find anything that might provide mysql_config for me....
[07:03] <dabaR> we wont let you
[07:04] <johndarkhorse> hondje: get with me when i'm wearing my nalioth suit and i'll see what i can whip up
[07:04] <sanketmedhi> I am on hoary 5.04. I installed amarok using apt-get but i am not able to hear any sound
[07:04] <hondje> johndarkhorse: roger that
[07:04] <angry_games> xorg-driver-fglrx is already the newest version.
[07:04] <angry_games> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[07:04] <sanketmedhi> amarok anyone?
[07:04] <blank> then you already have it installed angry games
[07:05] <crimsun> Cashel: libmysqlclient10-dev
[07:05] <Toma-> i see....
[07:05] <crimsun> Cashel: if you're using 3.23.56
[07:05] <Cashel> ahh its for the client! how wierd.. thanks :)
[07:05] <Toma-> sanketmedhi: make sure youre using the right output driver
[07:05] <Cashel> 12 for me I believe... but that answers it sure enough, appreciate it...
[07:05] <angry_games> Xlib:  extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":0.0".
[07:05] <angry_games> display: :0.0  screen: 0
[07:05] <angry_games> OpenGL vendor string: Mesa project: www.mesa3d.org
[07:05] <angry_games> OpenGL renderer string: Mesa GLX Indirect
[07:05] <angry_games> OpenGL version string: 1.2 (1.5 Mesa 6.2.1)
[07:05] <sanketmedhi> Toma-, I am using GStreamer over artsd
[07:06] <angry_games> (sorry for the multi-line spam)
[07:06] <sanketmedhi> Toma-, it shows me that its playing but I dont hear anything
[07:06] <johndarkhorse> angry_games: do not paste in here
[07:06] <angry_games> where am i supposed to paste?
[07:06] <johndarkhorse> angry_games: use #flood or a pastebin (read the /topic)
[07:06] <angry_games> gotcha
[07:06] <sanketmedhi> Toma-, Rhthymbox works great!
[07:07] <Cashel> angry_games: pastebin.org is good... did you change your /etc/xorg.conf to Driver "fglrx" .. it'd be Driver "radeon" or "ati" by default...
[07:07] <sanketmedhi> Toma-, any idea?
[07:07] <angry_games> yep I did that earlier from what was in the forum and the wiki
[07:08] <angry_games> and instead of it being 9800 fglxrinfo now it shows that Mesa thing
[07:08] <angry_games> so I am pretty sure i totally messed it all up
[07:08] <Cashel> its not you, the ati support in linux has been an uphill battle...
[07:08] <angry_games> this is the 5th time in about 5 years I have attempted linux and this time, I am NOT giving up dammit lol
[07:09] <Cashel> angry_games: you ever compile your own kernel?
[07:09] <angry_games> each time before I have been so angry and frustrated that I swore I would NEVER fool with this stupid OS ever again, and my customers at dfi-street keep telling my Ubuntu is the best and its not as difficult as other linux
[07:09] <blank> hey guys
[07:10] <angry_games> Cashel: nah, I'm a Windows dork...i support DFI motherboards and only Windows so this is all new to me
[07:10] <nybble> hey blank
[07:10] <blank> I'm trying to compile the clearlooks engine, but I get this error
[07:10] <johndarkhorse> angry_games: ubuntu is based on debian, whose package management is applauded
[07:10] <crimsun> blank: it's installed by default in Hoary
[07:10] <blank> error: GTK+-2.0 is required to compile clearlooks-engine
[07:10] <angry_games> well the install of Ubuntu was the easiest linux install i ever tried
[07:10] <johndarkhorse> blank: why are you compiling it?
[07:10] <blank> okay then thanks
[07:10] <angry_games> SuSe, Mandrake, RedHat etc
[07:10] <crimsun> blank: apt-cache policy gtk2-engines-clearlooks
[07:10] <blank> I thought I needed it to install the clearlooks perfection, found here http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=22989
[07:11] <angry_games> and the 'get-apt' stuff is really nice compared to learning Klingon to figure out how to install anything
[07:11] <blank> I want to install that theme, with all the add ons, can anyone give me hints?
[07:11] <blank> http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=22989
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[07:12] <angry_games> i tried SuSe 64-bit about 2 months ago on an NF4 with PCI-Express and X850XT PE and it was a total freakin nightmare
[07:12] <angry_games> but i guess what you guys are saying is that my problem is trying with an ATI card instead of an Nvidia card
[07:12] <mushroomblue> is there a way to install sun-jre inside breezy?
[07:12] <mushroomblue> being it's no longer in the hoary backports.
[07:12] <Cashel> angry_games: this is ATI's fault... I had to do whats on here: http://xoomer.virgilio.it/flavio.stanchina/debian/fglrx-installer.html   .. to get my Radeon 9600 to work.. but this only aplies to r300 and up.... otherwise the "radeon" driver is said to work decently for most r200 etc boards.... if you have one of those you may try http://dri.freedesktop.org/wiki/ATI for good info...
[07:13] <jsgotangco> mushroomblue, enable multiverse you can get blackbox webstart
[07:13] <blank> johndarkhorse: can you tell me how I can install the add ons to this theme? http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=22989
[07:13] <mushroomblue> angry_games: having issues installing the driver?
[07:13] <angry_games> nah...if you tell me that my Nvidia NF4 boards (mainly network) will be ok during install, then I will just dump this install and try again on an NF4 with a 7800 or 6800GT
[07:13] <angry_games> mushroomblue: ^$@$@# ATI drivers wont give me openGL 3d acceleration lol
[07:13] <johndarkhorse> blank: gimme a minute. i'm at work in an office
[07:14] <mushroomblue> angry_games: I'll help.
[07:14] <mushroomblue> angry_games: do "sudo lsmod | grep radeon"
[07:14] <blank> okay john, thanks
[07:14] <angry_games> mushroomblue: it is much appreciated! (I know NOTHING about linux)
[07:14] <mushroomblue> angry_games: I figured. don't worry.
[07:15] <mushroomblue> angry_games: and have you installed the fglrx drivers?
[07:15] <angry_games> it just brings goes to another prompt
[07:15] <mushroomblue> okay.
[07:15] <angry_games> oops that didnt make sense
[07:15] <mushroomblue> that means they're not working.
[07:15] <dr_willis> hmm..
[07:15] <mushroomblue> that's good.
[07:15] <angry_games> i checked from johndarkhorse's instructions and it says i have latest ATI driver package, but it shows Mesa instead of ATI
[07:15] <mushroomblue> angry_games: did you install the fglrx drivers?
[07:15] <mushroomblue> okay.
[07:15] <blank> let me know when johndarkhorse
[07:15] <mushroomblue> angry_games: type "sudo modprobe fglrx"
[07:16] <angry_games> would it be simpler to start all over from scratch since i have edited this and that all day long attempting this?
[07:16] <mushroomblue> angry_games: probably not. I bet I can get you up and running in under 10 minutes.
[07:16] <angry_games> nope didnt do anything either
[07:16] <dabaR> later
[07:16] <mushroomblue> angry_games: heh. type "sudo lsmod | grep fglrx"
[07:16] <angry_games> without quotes correct?
[07:16] <mushroomblue> yup.
[07:16] <dr_willis> Hmm. one of these days i need to get the nvidia drivers qworking on my 5.10  box
[07:17] <angry_games> fglrx                 262240  0
[07:17] <anethema> is there any advantage to installing breezy fresh compared to upgrading?
[07:17] <mushroomblue> angry_games: wh00t.
[07:17] <anethema> like i saw in the notes that they have dmix enabled by default etc
[07:17] <mushroomblue> angry_games: it's loaded.
[07:17] <angry_games> lol ill take that as a good sign
[07:17] <dr_willis> anethema,  gets rid of all the stuff you installed - then never used. :P
[07:17] <mushroomblue> angry_games: now, for the harder part.
[07:17] <anethema> i assume this wouldnt get changed from upgrading
[07:17] <blank> I need a hero! :O
[07:18] <anethema> dr_willis, i mean other than the obvious :)
[07:18] <blank> johndarkhorse, when will you save me :(
[07:18] <johndarkhorse> blank: do you have a theme pkg in synaptic with "qt" in it?
[07:18] <mushroomblue> angry_games: type "sudo vim /etc/modules"
[07:18] <blank> eh?
[07:18] <blank> qt?
[07:18] <mushroomblue> angry_games: press "a" to add text
[07:18] <blank> oh, search qt in synaptic?
[07:18] <mushroomblue> angry_games: and go to the bottom and add "fglrx" to the list
[07:18] <sn0n> is there a REALLY simple way to compile my kernel ?
[07:18] <mushroomblue> angry_games: then type ":wq" to save.
[07:18] <sn0n> the current ones broken with vmware and breezy
[07:18] <sn0n> needs to be compiled with gcc 4
[07:19] <Hylas> If I install grub on the MBR will it interfer with the 3rd party sata drivers I use to boot windows? Both Ubuntu and windows will be on the same sata drive.
[07:19] <mushroomblue> angry_games: if I went to fast, lemme know. I'll repeat. :)
[07:19] <blank> johndarkhorse, i think i do
[07:19] <sn0n> Hylas, use windows bootloader to book win
[07:19] <blank> gtk2-engines-gtk-qt
[07:19] <blank> ?
[07:19] <sn0n> (and ubuntu)
[07:19] <angry_games> it shows ide-cd, ide-disk, ide-generic, lp, mousedev, psmouse, rtc, and fglrx and fglrx in the list
[07:19] <johndarkhorse> blank: is it installed?
[07:19] <angry_games> ie: two instances of fglrx
[07:19] <mushroomblue> angry_games: remove one of the fglrx's
[07:20] <blank> nope, should I install it? it says 'makes your gtk2 apps look like qt ones'
[07:20] <angry_games> arhg hold on i think i really ate dirt that time
[07:20] <mushroomblue> angry_games: either press a to go into edit mode, or press "dd" while on the line
[07:20] <blank> i dont think it has anything to do with this...but should I install it?
[07:20] <sn0n> blank: wats ur problem ?
[07:20] <blank> johndarkhorse: basically I want to install the additional stuff in that theme, I already install the theme itself
[07:20] <mushroomblue> angry_games: if it messed up, just type esc, then :q!
[07:20] <Hylas> sn0n: Have you got some tutorial on how to have both nt loader and grub running? or running ubuntu under nt loader?
[07:20] <mushroomblue> angry_games: I shouldn't have made you use vim, it's not for newbies. :)
[07:20] <blank> sn0n: I'm trying to install this theme http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=22989
[07:21] <angry_games> ok gimme sec
[07:21] <sn0n> Hylas, just google for booting linux from ntloader
[07:21] <blank> sn0n, can you help me?
[07:21] <sn0n> sec
[07:21] <angry_games> E325: Attention
[07:21] <botbuilder> I think I may have picked an ideal setup to not run linux
[07:21] <botbuilder> lol
[07:21] <botbuilder> AMD64 + ATI PCI-E card...
[07:21] <botbuilder> oh well we will see
[07:22] <angry_games> found a swap file by the name "/etc/.modules.swp" etc
[07:22] <sn0n> blank: seems pretty self explaitory to me
[07:22] <blank> it does? :(
[07:22] <angry_games> i think it is saying that ive really screwed this up
[07:22] <blank> can you please help me out
[07:22] <DaaJeH> Hello
[07:22] <mushroomblue> angry_games: bah. don't worry.
[07:22] <mushroomblue> angry_games: are you at a command prompt?
[07:22] <blank> I installed the first download, the actual theme I guess, but I dont know how to install the rest
[07:22] <DaaJeH> I'm having a problem setting up my printer!
[07:22] <angry_games> yar
[07:22] <fysa> mounting my root with rescue mode gives me "Mounting /dev/discs/disc0/part3 on /target failed: Invalid argument"
[07:22] <sn0n> throw the icons folder into ~/.icons
[07:22] <sn0n> the theme into ~/.themes
[07:23] <blank> where's ~/.icons
[07:23] <DaaJeH> Any help?
[07:23] <angry_games> i am at command prompt
[07:23] <mushroomblue> angry_games: okay. then type "sudo nano /etc/modules"
[07:23] <sn0n> blank : gnome-terminal  ;-)
[07:23] <mushroomblue> angry_games: that'll shut it up. :)
[07:23] <sn0n> :"-p
[07:23] <angry_games> ok it looks like it did the first time thank god lol
[07:23] <blank> wait, sn0n, where?
[07:23] <mushroomblue> angry_games: then remove the second fglrx line.
[07:23] <sn0n> and ~/.icons is pretty self explaitory
[07:23] <angry_games> how do i get rid of that second fglrx
[07:23] <blank> I can't find it, I was looking for it
[07:23] <sn0n> ~ = /home/user
[07:23] <blank> I know, but I can't find the, kay
[07:23] <mushroomblue> angry_games: just go down to it and delete it. :)
[07:23] <sn0n> mkdir ~/.icons
[07:24] <blank> there is not icons folder there sn0n
[07:24] <mushroomblue> angry_games: arrow keys are your friend. :)
[07:24] <blank> just Desktop
[07:24] <sn0n> ok..
[07:24] <angry_games> ooooooh
[07:24] <blank> oh I make it?
[07:24] <sn0n> open gnome-terminal
[07:24] <blank> okay open
[07:24] <sn0n> type mkdir ~/.icons
[07:24] <angry_games> highlighting it then hitting delete = doesn't work the way i expected it to =/
[07:24] <angry_games> lol grrrrr
[07:24] <mushroomblue> angry_games: then once the line is removed, type Ctrl-X, Y, enter
[07:24] <angry_games> ok its deleted, ill do that
[07:25] <angry_games> ok back to command prompt
[07:25] <blank> mkdir: cannot create directory `/home/jorge/.icons': File exists
[07:25] <sn0n> ok
[07:25] <sn0n> then you have it
[07:25] <mushroomblue> angry_games: yay.
[07:25] <sn0n> just
[07:25] <sn0n> cd ~/.icons
[07:25] <blank> yes, but I can't SEE it :P
[07:25] <mushroomblue> angry_games: now, for the hard part.
[07:25] <sn0n> ls -Aa
[07:25] <sn0n> its there
[07:25] <angry_games> lol i thought that was the hard part
[07:25] <sn0n> dont use nautilus
[07:25] <mushroomblue> angry_games: this next part is fairly easy.
[07:25] <blank> man, that'll be hard not using nautilus :(
[07:25] <mushroomblue> angry_games: just a little complicated.
[07:25] <angry_games> hehe make up your mind hahaha
[07:25] <sn0n> thats for losers (but there is a 'show hidden folders) in nautiuls
[07:25] <angry_games> I'm ready
[07:26] <blank> how do you check the show hidden folders
[07:26] <sn0n> blank : in nautilus Ctrl + H
[07:26] <mushroomblue> angry_games: type "sudo cp /etc/X11/xorg.conf /etc/X11/xorg.conf.bak
[07:26] <mushroomblue> "
[07:26] <Marxist> CRTL + H would hide/unhinde files in nautilus
[07:26] <fysa> :(
[07:26] <sn0n> Marxist, i just said that  :-p
[07:26] <angry_games> ok...just gave me another command prompt
[07:26] <hondje> johndarkhorse: won't build without some work, so I'll save making a deb for another day
[07:26] <fysa> lord.  why can't rescue-mode busybox mount my rootfs?!
[07:26] <blank> ooo this is nice, thanks sn0n i wub you
[07:26] <hondje> might be feeling more amiable to pbuilder then, too
[07:26] <sn0n> u really should learn the cmd line thou
[07:26] <sn0n> ;-
[07:27] <sn0n> ;-)
[07:27] <johndarkhorse> hondje: i'm useless without my nalioth coat, anyway
[07:27] <blank> yeah I know :P
[07:27] <Marxist> yeah sorry, but i trying to see if Xchat changed the  text i put in the chat from grey to green as i wanted it
[07:27] <hondje> lol
[07:27] <blank> i know the commands, just too tedious for me
[07:27] <Marxist> no luck so far
[07:27] <sn0n> blank,  http://linuxcommand.sf.net
[07:27] <mushroomblue> angry_games: okay.
[07:27] <mushroomblue> angry_games: type "sudo fglrxconfig"
[07:27] <sn0n> blank : the cmd line is 1000000times faster then tinkering with two hands a keyboard and a mouse..
[07:27] <angry_games> done
[07:27] <mushroomblue> angry_games: and go through the configurator.
[07:27] <mushroomblue> angry_games: it's a little daunting, but nothing too bad.
[07:27] <botbuilder> im prolly havign a similar problem
[07:28] <mushroomblue> angry_games: if you have issues, just ask.
[07:28] <angry_games> i use usb optical mouse...do i want Inport Bus?
[07:28] <botbuilder> fglrxinfo doesnt say anythin
[07:28] <angry_games> (i did this earlier and i think it is why everything is worse lol)
[07:28] <blank> yeah I know, lol, but with all the version numbers it makes typing file names soo hard
[07:28] <botbuilder> ewll
[07:28] <mushroomblue> botbuilder: type "glxinfo | grep vendor"
[07:28] <botbuilder> 'unable to open display :0'
[07:28] <mushroomblue> angry_games: well, it's not too hard.
[07:28] <sn0n> blank, huh ?
[07:28] <botbuilder> mushroomblue - k
[07:28] <mushroomblue> angry_games: you have PS2/USB mouse
[07:28] <sn0n> that makes no sense
[07:28] <blank> great
[07:28] <blank> I can't find the
[07:29] <angry_games> mushroomblue, pick any mouse model? (it doesnt list me exact one)
[07:29] <sn0n> right click in nautilus.. and make the folder :-p
[07:29] <blank> i mean this, sn0n "cd someapplication-1-9.1.41.14.1beta-alpha_test"
[07:29] <angry_games> i just picked 2, generic
[07:29] <mushroomblue> angry_games: hold on.
[07:29] <blank> that takes forever lol
[07:29] <sn0n> use TAB completion
[07:29] <sn0n> takes 1/4 second
[07:29] <mushroomblue> Angel-SL: yep
[07:29] <blank> hehe, niiice *grin*
[07:29] <mushroomblue> angry_games: don't emulate 3 buttons
[07:29] <blank> hey, I have all the folders now, but uh...dont know where to put the files, and it doesn't seem to come with a readme or anything
[07:29] <sn0n> u didnt know about typing tab in the terminal window ?
[07:29] <angry_games> mushroomblue, ok....quad buffer stereo?
[07:30] <blank> yeah, from a game, but didnt know it worked here
[07:30] <botbuilder> mushroomblue - glxinfo says unable to open display
[07:30] <bmecoli-> there we go
[07:30] <botbuilder> mushroomblue - grep vendor just sits there
[07:30] <fysa> WHY IS THIS SO BROKEN? :P
[07:30] <mushroomblue> angry_games: not really important.
[07:30] <bmecoli-> anyway what version of gcc do you guys use when you make your packages?
[07:30] <mushroomblue> botbuilder: neat! doesn't look like gl is working at all for you.
[07:30] <angry_games> mushroomblue,  single head (since i only using a single monitor)
[07:30] <mushroomblue> angry_games: yep.
[07:30] <botbuilder> mush - nope
[07:30] <blank> sn0n, can you install it on your box and tell me what you did, pweeze, or something, cause I dont understand this
[07:31] <blank> you just made the terminal my new best friend
[07:31] <sn0n> blank : what exactly isnt working ?
[07:31] <angry_games> mushroomblue, ok now it wants monitor info...i searched where it said to search earlier but to no avail...just use generic/defaults?
[07:31] <mushroomblue> angry_games: hold on.
[07:31] <blank> not that it's not working, it's just i dont know what package goes where
[07:31] <blank> there's like
[07:31] <botbuilder> mushroomblue - i've got an ATI radion x700 and an AMD 64.  And a nforce2 or 3 mobo. a linux no-no
[07:31] <blank> menuaddon.tar
[07:31] <blank> bmpskin.tar
[07:31] <blank> etc. etc.
[07:31] <bmecoli-> uuuh
[07:32] <bmecoli-> anyone?
[07:32] <angry_games> botbuilder, you and i are in the same boat...cant get openGL acceleration with Radeon on an A64
[07:32] <sn0n> ok..
[07:32] <ColonelKernel> whats the command to see your network info?
[07:32] <sn0n> wats wrong with those ?
[07:32] <sn0n> its dead simple..
[07:32] <blank> nothin, i just dont know where they all go
[07:32] <blank> lol
[07:32] <mushroomblue> angry_games: you could simply not customize the refresh rate.
[07:32] <angry_games> ok
[07:32] <botbuilder> angry_games - yeah, mines especially worse because its a PCI-E card
[07:32] <mushroomblue> angry_games: cos then Xorg will autodetect crap.
[07:32] <sn0n> the clearlooks one goes into ~/.themes
[07:32] <botbuilder> I cant get ANY graphics
[07:32] <mushroomblue> angry_games: then you just log in with an insanely high resolution, and tweak. :)
[07:32] <DansFloyd> Question: How prone is linx to viruses, worms, or trojans? is it necessary to get a anti-virus or firewall?
[07:32] <blank> okay
[07:32] <mushroomblue> botbuilder: eek. dunno if the rules of agpgart apply to that.
[07:32] <sn0n> the beep media player one goes into ~/.bmp/skins
[07:32] <sn0n> or Skins
[07:33] <sn0n> the icon into..well.. ~/.icons
[07:33] <giovann> mount: can't find /etc/fstab in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab
[07:33] <sn0n> its really simple..
[07:33] <botbuilder> yeah, new i shouldnt have gotten such good hardware lol
[07:33] <botbuilder> *knew
[07:33] <blank> the beep media player in bmp/skins but from media player right
[07:33] <blank> from media player dir
[07:33] <sn0n> what media player you useing ?
[07:33] <mushroomblue> botbuilder: naw.
[07:33] <ColonelKernel> what do I type in to get my network info?
[07:33] <blank> real media
[07:33] <mushroomblue> botbuilder: I bet it'll work.
[07:33] <sn0n> it done use the skins
[07:33] <blank> well forget about that
[07:33] <blank> that doesnt matter
[07:33] <blank> the point is
[07:33] <mushroomblue> botbuilder: does "sudo lspci" come up with anything?
[07:33] <blank> that I installed the theme
[07:34] <sn0n> the skin is for beep and xmms
[07:34] <blank> but it's not looking like it does on the site
[07:34] <sn0n> url me a screenshot
[07:34] <blank> so i think i did it wrong
[07:34] <blank> okay
[07:34] <blank> http://www.gnome-look.org/content/m1/m22989-1.png
[07:34] <angry_games> mushroomblue, ok, please specify which restriction scheme you want to implement
[07:34] <mushroomblue> angry_games: accept the defaults.
[07:34] <angry_games> no restrictions?
[07:34] <blank> what it should look like, but mine is looking like the default blue one that comes with ubuntu
[07:34] <sn0n> blank : of YOUR desktop
[07:34] <mushroomblue> angry_games: for the most part, you can accept the defaults for the rest of this.
[07:34] <blank> when i installed the theme, it only installed a conf file
[07:35] <botbuilder> mushroomblue - just a sec gotta restart.  that grep thing forze or someat
[07:35] <blank> so i think it doesnt have the necessary icons and all
[07:35] <blank> sn0n, where does menuaddon go
[07:35] <sn0n> :: shrugs ::   ;-)
[07:35] <blank> :'(
[07:35] <fysa> why is the install CD broken for rescue operations? :P
[07:35] <blank> sn0n, can you install the theme on your box and tell me how it goes
[07:35] <angry_games> do i want to initialize xfree86-dga
[07:35] <fysa> I can't mount anything as a rootfs.
[07:35] <fysa> mount gives "invalid argument."
[07:36] <mushroomblue> angry_games: if it defaults to yes, then yes. if not, then no.
[07:36] <mushroomblue> angry_games: like I said, you can accept the defaults from here on.
[07:36] <mushroomblue> angry_games: which is pretty much just pressing enter a lot. :)
[07:36] <angry_games> ok its asking me if its ok to write this config
[07:36] <angry_games> xf86config-4...ill assume to choose yes
[07:36] <mushroomblue> no.
[07:36] <botbuilder> mushroomblue - that command came up with a shitload of stuff
[07:37] <mushroomblue> xorg.conf
[07:37] <mushroomblue> save it as xorg.conf
[07:37] <angry_games> so choose no and it will give me another option to do that?
[07:37] <mushroomblue> angry_games: pretty much.
[07:37] <blank> sn0n, let me know when you're done if you do it
[07:37] <mushroomblue> botbuilder: then "sudo lspci | grep ati"
[07:37] <botbuilder> k
[07:37] <sn0n> i dont plan on it..
[07:37] <sn0n> sry
[07:37] <sn0n> i dont have time
[07:37] <mushroomblue> botbuilder: all we're really wanting is to see if linux sees your card.
[07:38] <blank> *crying* okay
[07:38] <fysa> is there a way to modify an initrd image file by hand and insert a module into it?
[07:38] <mushroomblue> botbuilder: if so, you're halfway there.
[07:38] <sn0n> hehe
[07:38] <sn0n> suck it up  ;-)
[07:38] <hondje> hey botbuilder :)
[07:38] <angry_games> mushroomblue, ooook...back to a command prompt
[07:38] <mushroomblue> angry_games: sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart
[07:39] <botbuilder> mushroomblue - well, It knows ive got an ati card. it says its a 'Unknown device 5e4b'
[07:39] <botbuilder> :(
[07:39] <mushroomblue> botbuilder: hrm.
[07:39] <mushroomblue> that could just be udev.
[07:39] <mushroomblue> might not be a big deal.
[07:39] <mushroomblue> botbuilder: have you installed the fglrx driver?
[07:39] <fysa> Installing from Hoary .. AGAIN.
[07:40] <botbuilder> yep. sudo apt-get install xorg-driver-fglrx
[07:40] <mushroomblue> botbuilder: if you "sudo modprobe fglrx", what happens?
[07:40] <botbuilder> thats for hoary though... i have breezy i believe
[07:41] <mushroomblue> botbuilder: it shouldn't be too big an issue.
[07:41] <mushroomblue> botbuilder: wait.
[07:41] <mushroomblue> hrm.
[07:41] <botbuilder> mushroomblue - it has info about it, ati proprietary, yada yada.  2 irq interrupts
[07:41] <mushroomblue> well, that could explain the suckage.
[07:42] <mushroomblue> botbuilder: okay. so linux sees the card. that makes this way easier.
[07:42] <gfunckers> my Floopy disk drive unable to mount
[07:42] <mushroomblue> botbuilder: might want to go to the ati.com site, and just install the drivers from there.
[07:42] <botbuilder> uhrm
[07:42] <botbuilder> how?
[07:42] <botbuilder> I've got one windows computer im chatting on here
[07:42] <mushroomblue> well, go download the latest (huge) driver package.
[07:42] <mushroomblue> oh. you can't use X.
[07:42] <mushroomblue> hah. hold on.
[07:42] <botbuilder> and my other comp is the one thats dual booting 2 linux
[07:42] <botbuilder> yeah
[07:42] <botbuilder> i cant
[07:43] <mushroomblue> lemme get you a direct link.
[07:43] <mushroomblue> lotta typing, tho.
[07:43] <botbuilder> urg
[07:43] <botbuilder> yeah, i tried this last year with fedora core
[07:43] <botbuilder> XD
[07:43] <khermans> just use a text-based web browser
[07:43] <mushroomblue> yeah, you _could_ use lynx
[07:43] <mushroomblue> but it's a PITA
[07:43] <botbuilder> ooh, command?
[07:43] <mushroomblue> botbuilder: lynx
[07:43] <mushroomblue> :)
[07:44] <mushroomblue> Angel-SL: work?
[07:44] <mushroomblue> bah.
[07:44] <mushroomblue> angry_games: works?
[07:44] <angry_games> ooook let me check with the fglrxinfo thing
[07:44] <mushroomblue> angry_games: screw fglrxinfo
[07:44] <angry_games> ok
[07:44] <mushroomblue> angry_games: glxinfo | grep vendor
[07:44] <angry_games> it still says Mesa
[07:44] <gfunckers> Unable to mount the selected volume
[07:44] <angry_games> ok, SGI, ATI, and opengl is still mesa
[07:45] <mushroomblue> angry_games: is this the fglrx driver from hoary or breezy?
[07:45] <angry_games> has to be hoary i think
[07:45] <patfm> hi folks... any ideas on the easiest way to  set up ssh on my windows box?
[07:45] <angry_games> i downloaded the iso a month ago and just installed today
[07:45] <mushroomblue> angry_games: are you running hoary or breezy?
[07:45] <patfm> so ic an scp, etc back and forth
[07:45] <XdudeX> guyz can u help me set up webcam in my ubuntu box?
[07:45] <angry_games> command to check?
[07:45] <mushroomblue> angry_games: crap. my fault then. you're running xfree86. :)
[07:45] <angry_games> er
[07:45] <mushroomblue> angry_games: you didn't need to save to xorg.conf
[07:46] <mushroomblue> angry_games: let's see.
[07:46] <angry_games> lol
[07:46] <gfunckers> can u help me to mount the floopy ?
[07:46] <mushroomblue> angry_games: just re-run fglrxconfig
[07:46] <mushroomblue> angry_games: and save to the default name. :)
[07:46] <mushroomblue> angry_games: sorry about that. :)
[07:46] <mushroomblue> I just came from gentoo. not having xorg is sorta weird. :)
[07:47] <patfm> heh, xorg.conf, another thing iw as planning to ask about :)
[07:47] <Agrajag> WAIT WHAT
[07:47] <Agrajag> er
[07:47] <Agrajag> wait what
[07:47] <XdudeX> do u guys know how to use webcam with ubuntu?
[07:47] <mushroomblue> botbuilder: URL is http://www2.ati.com/drivers/linux/64bit/ati-driver-installer-8.16.20-x86_64.run
[07:48] <Agrajag> he said hoary, right?
[07:48] <XdudeX> i am using hoary
[07:48] <Agrajag> that's xorg
[07:48] <mushroomblue> hoary is xorg?
[07:48] <mushroomblue> I thought hoary was xfree86
[07:48] <angry_games> ok now startx?
[07:48] <mushroomblue> breezy is xorg.
[07:48] <mushroomblue> angry_games: yup.
[07:48] <XdudeX> pls help
[07:48] <Agrajag> no, warty used xfree86
[07:48] <Agrajag> hoary uses xorg
[07:48] <mushroomblue> Agrajag: wtf...
[07:48] <angry_games> oops  i need to log out first right?
[07:49] <mushroomblue> angry_games: most likely. :)
[07:49] <angry_games> *sigh* instead of thinking in linux, i just cant help myself thinking in windows instead
[07:49] <angry_games> brb
[07:49] <mushroomblue> you get over that quick.
[07:50] <angry_games> whats the command to drop me to the command prompt (kills xserver) that you gave me last time?
[07:50] <mushroomblue> angry_games: sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart
[07:50] <angry_games> better learn these faster than using the gui
[07:50] <mushroomblue> heh.
[07:51] <Ixchael> How can I see what version of the linux kernel I am running?
[07:52] <Marxist> uname -a
[07:52] <botbuilder> ahah
[07:53] <botbuilder> the stuff from the fglrx modprobe says its an agpgart interface and is from 2002.
[07:54] <patfm> ctrl-alt-f1?
[07:54] <patfm> oops
[07:56] <mushroomblue> botbuilder: I'm betting that the new fglrx driver will suck WAY less than the one in ubuntu.
[07:56] <XdudeX> can u tell me wer to get a4tech webcam driver for ubuntu pls?
[07:56] <mushroomblue> XdudeX: www.fuckingoogleit.com
[07:56] <mushroomblue> XdudeX: if it's supported in linux, google will tell you the driver.
[07:57] <XdudeX> shuckz
[07:57] <mushroomblue> XdudeX: then you type "sudo modprobe <driver>", and it'll load.
[07:57] <XdudeX> i've been searching it in google but havent found any
[07:57] <mushroomblue> XdudeX: then you might be outta luck.
[07:57] <angry_games> mushroomblue, well...that didn't really work out too well
[07:57] <mushroomblue> angry_games: howssat?
[07:57] <tommi^> Hi. I really need help: My X stopped working after a normal session and a reboot. Xorg.log says it caught signal 11. What could be causing this? tia
[07:57] <XdudeX> ey guyz have u used gaim-vv?
[07:58] <mushroomblue> XdudeX: about a year ago. not too far along yet. haven't checked back.
[07:58] <angry_games> openGL vendor string = Mesa still
[07:59] <botbuilder> can't X-windows just use VGA or something...
[07:59] <botbuilder> just for a little while!?!?
[08:00] <Ixchael> thanks, Marxist - almost missed your reply, came so fast I thought it was meant for someone else :)
[08:00] <angry_games> it will run the glxgears thing, but not fgl_glxgears
[08:00] <XdudeX> ey guyz have u used gaim-vv?
[08:01] <angry_games> mushroomblue, you going to be here a bit?
[08:01] <angry_games> i think i am just going to destroy this drive and start over one more time...my graphics were totally corrupted after I restarted and they are pretty ugly right now
[08:01] <mushroomblue> angry_games: did you restart the machine?
[08:02] <mushroomblue> angry_games: cos you might want to try that first.
[08:02] <angry_games> yes
[08:02] <mushroomblue> hrm.
[08:02] <XdudeX> can anyone here give me a nice chatting client dat can support yahoo with webcam?
[08:02] <mushroomblue> sadly, no.
[08:02] <mushroomblue> I have to go to bed. getting up in 3 hours for work.
[08:02] <angry_games> i had to hit reset because the corruption was so bad that i couldnt see any menus at all
[08:02] <angry_games> just a bunch of snow on the screen
[08:02] <mushroomblue> bbt or something.
[08:02] <XdudeX> can anyone here give me a nice chatting client dat can support yahoo with webcam?
[08:02] <angry_games> well....does anyone know if latest Ubuntu supports the Nvidia NForce4 network controller without any hassle?
[08:03] <angry_games> if it does, I will easily swap this out for an NF4 board and a 6800GT or 7800GT
[08:03] <botbuilder>  angry games - it should ive downloaded stuff through bash before
[08:04] <botbuilder> (havent gotten to xwindows yet)
[08:04] <botbuilder> I think ive got an nforce4 board
[08:04] <angry_games> i can always put an Intel Pro 10/100 NIC in it to get it up and running i guess
[08:04] <DansFloyd> what a good TV tuner prog, for linux... im a newb so i need one thats easy t install...
[08:05] <angry_games> i know that SuSe 64-bit would not detect anything on the NF4 boards
[08:05] <botbuilder> eeks
[08:05] <angry_games> should I download the 5.10 Breezy stuff, or the 5.04 Hoary?
[08:05] <johndarkhorse> DansFloyd: what client do you use?
[08:05] <botbuilder> im hoping it finds my onboard soung
[08:05] <botbuilder> *sound
[08:05] <darkheart> angry_games 5.10 is still hoary isn't it?
[08:05] <DansFloyd> ubuntu
[08:05] <johndarkhorse> DansFloyd: or have you already been answered re auto id?
[08:05] <DansFloyd> ?
[08:05] <angry_games> it says breezy on the site
[08:06] <robitaille> 5.10 is Breezy.  5.04 is Hoary
[08:06] <darkheart> angry_games Ok. But if you are using Breezy, then download the Breezy stuff.
[08:06] <angry_games> botbuilder, the ALC850 Audio codec that most NF4's use is covered by Nvidia's Nforce chipset drivers....the MSI motherboard that has Creative integrated audio however is not
[08:06] <gn0me> Has anyone had problems using cdrecord?
[08:06] <botbuilder> angry - I think mine's supported then
[08:06] <gn0me> cdrecord: No such file or directory. Cannot open '/dev/pg*'. Cannot open SCSI driver.
[08:07] <No1Viking> Hello: How do I get Firestarter enabled at startup of ubuntu?
[08:07] <angry_games> this that i am using is 5.04 Hoary...I should have asked "should I download Breezy 5.10 and try that?"
[08:07] <johndarkhorse> DansFloyd: what irc client do you use?
[08:07] <angry_games> ie: is breezy 5.10 good and stable enough to fool with?
[08:07] <sn0n> anapivirtua, yes
[08:07] <sn0n> angry_games, yes!
[08:07] <sn0n> :-D
[08:08] <Knelix> Hey guys...
[08:08] <angry_games> haha ok  let me download it on my WINDOWS SERVER lol
[08:08] <robitaille> angry_games,   I use it all the time.  But some small things are still changing between now and the release in October
[08:08] <sn0n> but dont try running vmware with it.. cuz there is a gcc version error or some crap
[08:08] <insta> I've got a problem with my IDE drives.  After a reboot (not sure what I changed, if anything), my secondary master no longer mounts.
[08:08] <angry_games> since i freakin know how to use Windows
[08:08] <darkheart> angry_games I've heard people have some trouble, but I think it's stable enough. If you want to wait, the stable release should be coming out in a couple weeks.
[08:08] <angry_games> sn0n, i dont have a clue what vmware is
[08:08] <Knelix> How's this for a decent non-gaming graphics card for my new system?: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E16814121186
[08:08] <sn0n> and ur on a server ?
[08:08] <sn0n> lol
[08:08] <No1Viking> How do I get Firestarter enabled at startup of ubuntu?
[08:08] <sn0n> vmware is a 'computer emulator' to say it for the uninformed
[08:08] <angry_games> Knelix, that is not a good gaming card, but it is good for surfing the web etc
[08:09] <darkheart> No1Viking Start of Ubuntu or X?
[08:09] <No1Viking> darkheart: ubuntu
[08:09] <sn0n> Knelix, any 32mb and up video card will work for non-gaming
[08:09] <angry_games> a good gaming card is 6600GT Nvidia or higher, or X800 ATI or higher (and I suppose avoid ATI on linux since i am having troubles also lol)
[08:09] <sn0n> im using a tnt2 32mb
[08:09] <angry_games> the only nvidia agp card i have left is an old GeForce4MX
[08:10] <darkheart> No1Viking Hmm..Then you probably have to add a script to the /etc/init.d file.
[08:10] <angry_games> but i have a 6600GT, 6800GT, 7800GT, 7800GTX to test with but only in PCI-E
[08:10] <darkheart> No1Viking err....directory.
[08:10] <botbuilder> gad i should have gone nvidia
[08:10] <angry_games> all of my agp cards are ATI's lol
[08:10] <No1Viking> darkheart: How do I do it in X?
[08:10] <insta> Anybody have an idea about what's wrong with my stuff?  I get the error "/dev/hdc busy or already mounted", even though the mount point is empty, and AFAIK nothing else has tried to use the drive.  It won't unmount ...
[08:10] <chavo> got a 6600GT here and it rocks
[08:10] <botbuilder> and to think i went ati because the drivers seemed stabler
[08:10] <angry_games> i just dumped 6600GT SLI for a single 7800GT
[08:10] <botbuilder> :o
[08:10] <angry_games> botbuilder, they are on the Windows platform
[08:10] <robotgeek> insta: try lsof <mount  point>
[08:11] <angry_games> linux though....i guess we are finding out that it aint so rosy
[08:11] <Knelix> Hmm. Interesting. Thanks for the info. Still considering what card to get. Unfortunately, even the included screen savers don't render well (very slow) using integrated video, which is unacceptable to  me.
[08:11] <botbuilder> yeps
[08:11] <angry_games> and we have a Crossfire ATI motherboard coming out in 3 weeks
[08:11] <botbuilder> the ati website seems reallly slow
[08:11] <insta> robotgeek: What should it do?
[08:11] <insta> When I ran it, it returned nothing, output nothing.
[08:11] <angry_games> so i am trying to get my linux learning in now before that board comes out and we spend 10 months doing 16-hour support days on it
[08:12] <robotgeek> insta: it will tell you if anyprogram is accessing it
[08:12] <insta> I won't run anything else until I'm sure nothing else needs to be run :)
[08:12] <darkheart> No1Viking If you want it to start in X you can add it to your .xsession I believe.
[08:12] <insta> it didn't say anything
[08:12] <angry_games> knelix: go for a 6600GT minimum if you want a card that can do just about anything (including play Battlefield 2) and wont cost arm + leg
[08:12] <chavo> angry_games, I think he's looking for a NON-gaming card
[08:12] <angry_games> ohhh
[08:12] <angry_games> my bad
[08:13] <angry_games> any 32MB card will do as someone already said
[08:13] <botbuilder> yeah gfx cards dont matter unless your gaming
[08:13] <sn0n> i said that
[08:13] <sn0n> ;-)
[08:13] <angry_games> if you look in the refurb or clearance section of newegg they always have 64MB AGP cards for very cheap
[08:13] <sn0n> angry_games, fuck that.. goto ANY ma and pa computer store.. $5
[08:13] <angry_games> i picked up a couple of X300SE ATI pci-e cards for just regular motherboard testing for $32 each
[08:14] <angry_games> true, except I live in Boise, ID which has only rip-off mom & pop stores
[08:14] <sn0n> tellin ya.. ma and pa stores.. they will have a card board box.. with piled of vid cards..
[08:14] <johndarkhorse> sn0n: language please
[08:14] <angry_games> if I was in orlando fl still...i could find all those really good 'dustbin' deals
[08:14] <sn0n> fck, shet, arse, biatch, cnt, whre,
[08:14] <sn0n> :-p
[08:14] <botbuilder> uhrm
[08:14] <angry_games> heh
[08:14] <botbuilder> breezy is "X.Org 6.8"
[08:14] <robotgeek> sn0n: language please
[08:14] <sn0n> angry_games, try ebay ?
[08:15] <sn0n> hehe.. i said no cuss words ?
[08:15] <angry_games> i refuse to use ebay
[08:15] <sn0n> hehe
[08:15] <DansFloyd> so anyone know of a good TV tuner for Ubuntu?
[08:15] <angry_games> only half.com for vids and games
[08:15] <sn0n> its a $5 video card.. you CANT get ripped off
[08:15] <sn0n> lol
[08:15] <insta> robotgeek: Any other advice?
[08:15] <angry_games> id rather get it from the Egg and know i got a good return policy
[08:15] <DansFloyd> i have a ATI all-in-one card
[08:15] <Knelix> $5.. only cards I saw for that price had a little star next to it, which, of course, means damned mail-in rebates which I, as a rule, do not do...
[08:15] <sn0n> angry_games, whats ur address ? (pm it)
[08:15] <robotgeek> insta: it should work and give u the process accessing it. otherwise, try a umount -f
[08:15] <sn0n> i'll mail you a 32mb card
[08:15] <botbuilder> how the hell do i install a rpm off the net?
[08:15] <angry_games> anyway, i think i am going to move over to an Nvidia NF4 motherboard and pci-e vid card and retry this Ubuntu linux thing to see if i have better luck
[08:16] <insta> It says it's not mounted
[08:16] <robotgeek> insta: then it's not mounted!
[08:16] <insta> And no processes are accessing either it, or the mount point.
[08:16] <botbuilder> angry_games - lol
[08:16] <botbuilder> thats what i'm trying
[08:16] <robitaille> botbuilder,   run the command alien on it, then install the resulting deb file with dpkg
[08:16] <angry_games> sn0n, did you get that msg?
[08:16] <botbuilder> 0_0
[08:16] <botbuilder> k..
[08:16] <botbuilder> so like
[08:16] <insta> robotgeek: I was pretty sure it wasn't mounted ... that doesn't mean that mount /dev/hdc works.
[08:16] <botbuilder> alien http://www2.ati.com/drivers/linux/fglrx_6_8_0-8.16.20-1.i386.rpm
[08:17] <botbuilder> ?
[08:17] <ouniqueo> you have to download the rpm then run alien
[08:17] <gn0me> Yeah, that would convert it to a deb file
[08:17] <angry_games> botbuilder,  i downloaded those but they wont install for me either
[08:17] <botbuilder> oh
[08:17] <gn0me> Then you could "sudo dpkg -i <file>"
[08:17] <botbuilder> lol
[08:17] <angry_games> but if you are around in a few hours, i will have setup the NF4 with ubuntu 5.10 lol
[08:17] <gn0me> The new deb file
[08:17] <botbuilder> so how do i download them?
[08:17] <angry_games> and might be slightly more help than I am now
[08:17] <botbuilder> hah
[08:17] <robotgeek> insta: you are trying to mount a device?
[08:18] <botbuilder> well, thats the setup im on
[08:18] <Marxist> is 5.10 stable?
[08:18] <botbuilder> nforce4, athlon64, PCI-E
[08:18] <Burgundavia> Marxist, no, not yet
[08:18] <botbuilder> stable enough ;)
[08:18] <botbuilder> well ok maybe not
[08:18] <Marxist> not gonna take any changes
[08:18] <botbuilder> but im confident the previous versions wouldnt work for me either
[08:19] <angry_games> botbuilder, yep, I'll be on a DFI Lanparty NF4 SLI-DR, with whatever nvidia pci-e card i snatch to use and probably an X2 4400+ cpu (might as well see if Ubuntu supports dual cpu eh?)
[08:19] <insta> robotgeek: yeah.  I have a mountpoint in my fstab which used to work, and now it doesn't.
[08:19] <insta> The drive is ext3
[08:19] <insta> I have a mountpoint (/media/onetwenty) that exists with 0777 permissions
[08:19] <Knelix> Hmm. I'm still trying to decide if it makes sense.. to spend $40 on a card I can't really do any graphic-intensive applications with, when perhaps a sub-$20 would do just fine for what I need.
[08:19] <angry_games> i assume Ubuntu 5.10 supports dual-core cpu's
[08:19] <botbuilder> angry games - you in a hardwrae store then?
[08:20] <angry_games> Knelix, yeah, you can find a good $20 32MB AGP card if you look
[08:20] <insta> If I run the command `mount -t ext3 /dev/hdc /media/onetwenty`, it fails with "mount: /dev/hdc already mounted or /media/onetwenty busy"
[08:20] <angry_games> try Pricegrabber.com or the refurb section of newegg.com
[08:20] <robotgeek> insta: that's weird, try "sudo mount /dev/hdcx /media/wherever"
[08:20] <insta> Even though the lsof command on both /dev/hdc AND /media/onetwenty was blank.
[08:20] <angry_games> botbuilder, no, I am the support manager for DFI-USA (www.dfi-street.com / www.dfi.com.tw)
[08:21] <botbuilder> cool
[08:21] <angry_games> i have to have all this hardware to test (but never get any real enjoyment out of it since i never get to play games since LINUX DOESNT WORK lol)
[08:21] <botbuilder> lol
[08:22] <insta> Oh son of a bitch
[08:22] <Knelix> hmm.
[08:22] <insta> You mount partitions, not drives
[08:22] <robotgeek> insta: language, :)
[08:22] <insta> *bangs head into desk*
[08:22] <insta> robotgeek: I just reformatted the drive thinknig that was a problem
[08:22] <robotgeek> insta: try the gnome drive applet mounter!
[08:22] <insta> Losing 80 gigs of self-ripped media
[08:22] <insta> I think I can swear once ;)
[08:22] <robotgeek> insta: lol
[08:22] <angry_games> johndarkhorse, hey man thanks for being patient with me
[08:22] <johndarkhorse> angry_games: np
[08:22] <Knelix> Oh well, guys. Thanks on the advice. Will sleep on it. Now it's time to go to sleep mode...
[08:22] <botbuilder> nice name
[08:22] <angry_games> ill be back (thats a warning i suppose lol) in a bit with a different Ubuntu machine with just as many stupid questions
[08:23] <botbuilder> hah
[08:23] <botbuilder> man
[08:23] <botbuilder> ahwell
[08:23] <botbuilder> off to bed..
[08:23] <botbuilder> prolly come back to try again in a few months
[08:23] <Knelix> By angry games... C 'ya guys.
[08:23] <gn0me> Linux works!
[08:23] <johndarkhorse> angry_games: there are no stupid questions
[08:23] <botbuilder> see if you guys have fixed this crap
[08:23] <botbuilder> ;P
[08:23] <after8> does here...
[08:24] <gn0me> It's fixed, you just need to find out how! :D
[08:24] <botbuilder> heh
[08:24] <dabaR> http://www.psychocats.net/essays/linuxdesktop.php
[08:24] <robotgeek> johndarkhorse: i know the other part, south park version :)
[08:24] <dabaR> http://linux.oneandoneis2.org/LNW.htm
[08:24] <botbuilder> no, ive just gotta hack arround in the kernel sources
[08:24] <dabaR> read the urls, botbuilder
[08:24] <botbuilder> and thats no fun
[08:24] <johndarkhorse> robotgeek: ??
[08:24] <robotgeek> johndarkhorse: there are no stupid questions, only stupid ppl
[08:24] <johndarkhorse> ngmlinux: welcome
[08:24] <ElNooboStupido> woohoo - I found out how I can use a vanilla kernel again - thank the kernel gods
[08:24] <angry_games> johndarkhorse, true...i get about 200 forum posts or emails a day with questions that are simple to me but impossible to those asking them
[08:24] <ngmlinux> finally
[08:24] <ngmlinux> but wait
[08:24] <johndarkhorse> robotgeek: er, whatever
[08:25] <ngmlinux> still says this nickname is owned by someone else?
[08:25] <angry_games> people who cannot figure out how to plug in a power supply to our motherboard etc
[08:25] <botbuilder> lol
[08:25] <angry_games> simple stuff to me since i do it every day but for first-timers...its like me trying to build a car engine i guess (or run linux)
[08:25] <botbuilder> angry - I built my comp without instructions
[08:25] <ngmlinux> ahh whatever
[08:26] <angry_games> botbuilder, a lot of people can if they are patient and google and read as much as they can before throwing down on a comp and trying to build it
[08:26] <robotgeek> dabaR: neat
[08:26] <botbuilder> oh..
[08:26] <botbuilder> well, i didnt do that either
[08:26] <botbuilder> just bought the stuff and plunked it in
[08:26] <angry_games> i spent about 5 or 6 hours at ubuntu forums and wiki and googling before i finally had enough and came in here to get help
[08:26] <dabaR> robotgeek: just found those now...and read the linux!=windows one, and that, pretty neat
[08:26] <ngmlinux> username@localhost:/lib/modules/2.6.12-8-386/kernel/drivers/usb/media$ sudo insmod ov51x.ko
[08:26] <ngmlinux> insmod: error inserting 'ov51x.ko': -1 Unknown symbol in module
[08:27] <botbuilder> angry - well, I might have done the same
[08:27] <botbuilder> If i could get into X
[08:27] <dabaR> robotgeek: the one I read makes very good points, and has very cool metaphores:)
[08:27] <angry_games> its like if i went to mexico...instead of learning spanish, i would gravitate to english speaking businesses because i know english natively
[08:27] <chrizzly> hi to all
[08:27] <dabaR> !tell botbuilder about nicktab
[08:27] <dabaR> hey chrizzly
[08:27] <angry_games> hola chrizzly
[08:27] <botbuilder> lol
[08:27] <johndarkhorse> angry_games: comprende computadoras en espanol?
[08:27] <chrizzly> hi angry_games
[08:27] <angry_games> i have to support windows day in and day out and so i know it like i know english
[08:28] <ngmlinux> insmod: error inserting 'ov51x.ko': -1 Unknown symbol in module
[08:28] <botbuilder> I have to run windows day in and day out.
[08:28] <botbuilder> because it supports my hardware.
[08:28] <gn0me> What's so bad about that?
[08:28] <botbuilder> ;)
[08:28] <dabaR> angry_games: you can also read the http://linux.oneandoneis2.org/LNW.htm text.
[08:28] <angry_games> johndarkhorse, para jugar noches del neverwinter usted tiene que aumentar su mquina!
[08:29] <johndarkhorse> angry_games: wow more spanish then me
[08:29] <ngmlinux> insmod: error inserting 'ov51x.ko': -1 Unknown symbol in module
[08:29] <dabaR> than
[08:29] <ngmlinux> anybody know about module errors
[08:29] <johndarkhorse> dabaR: fill a cup with stfu, please
[08:29] <angry_games> dabaR, bookmarked that lol
[08:29] <ngmlinux> and how to find missing simbols in ubuntu?
[08:29] <dabaR> johndarkhorse: ok, sorry...
[08:29] <ngmlinux> debian handles that automatically
[08:29] <angry_games> johndarkhorse, i dont speak ANY spanish other than curse words the mexican kids taught me in school
[08:29] <ngmlinux> bye
[08:29] <ngmlinux> this is a waste of time
[08:30] <angry_games> i just cut-n-pasted from a page i put up that you should read (if you have a wife/gf that does not understand your obsession with computers)
[08:30] <angry_games> http://www.angrygames.com/niner.htm
[08:30] <angry_games> it's my gf's interpretation of computer lingo lol
[08:31] <johndarkhorse> angry_games: obsession? i've only got 5
[08:31] <angry_games> lol you are not as bad as some people then
[08:31] <angry_games> but worse than others who cant even get ONE to work
[08:31] <angry_games> the hardest part for me is feeling like a failure because honestly...linux is just so hard for me to grasp
[08:32] <angry_games> i know im not stupid
[08:32] <botbuilder> dabar - (referencing that article) well, perhaps linux is easy to install, etc if you are installing it on a fresh comp.  I was installing it dual booting to XP and overwriting fedora core.  I managed that in about 20 minutes talking with people and messing with teh partitions manager.  Then I reboot, all goes well, and plop, all the text gui has a ton of odd artifacts, strange letters scattered about the screen and a text dialog bo
[08:32] <angry_games> but i just can't seem to grasp the entire concept of linux yet
[08:32] <after8> angry_games> don't feel like a failure..... it gets there eventually dude
[08:32] <botbuilder> (also installing on an outdated comp might help)
[08:32] <angry_games> after8, the worst is that this is the 5th time ive given an attempt to linux
[08:33] <after8> angry_games> patience, and a few broken eggs and you'l have your penguin omelette :D
[08:33] <angry_games> it makes me sooooo angry
[08:33] <gn0me> botbuilder: I hated installing windows+linux because Windows would frequently write over the bootloaders, so you'd have to repair it
[08:33] <fr500> any channel on games?
[08:33] <angry_games> hence my angry_games name lol
[08:33] <botbuilder> gnome - hehe
[08:33] <arkais> hi
[08:33] <botbuilder> angry - yeha this is my 3rd time trying to install linux
[08:33] <after8> angry_games> i had a few tries with debian and mdk, and started again with ubuntu.... but i'd learnt some basics on the way...
[08:33] <botbuilder> 1st time red hat 9, 2nd time fedora core 4 64 bit, now ubuntu breezy
[08:33] <gn0me> I'm downloading Breezy to see if it's any good
[08:34] <angry_games> i actually was able to install and play some games like Unreal Tournament and Quake3 on Mandrake Linux once....
[08:34] <angry_games> it is getting better (ie: easier...or dumbed-down i guess) as the years go on
[08:34] <botbuilder> heh yeah
[08:34] <botbuilder> ahwell
[08:34] <after8> you need to have the basics.   its getting less esoteric, but you still need to know a minimum shell.
[08:34] <botbuilder> I'll be back in 6 months to a year
[08:35] <angry_games> when i first tried RedHat back in the late 90's....holy mother of god it was like the first or second beta of a GUI for linux
[08:35] <botbuilder> maybe by then we will have decent support of my hardware
[08:35] <angry_games> the command line did everything, and the GUI was like Windows 3.1....so weak as to be useless
[08:37] <pef> hello
[08:40] <angry_games> ok kids, be back in less than an hour (re-installing ubuntu on this box since i have hosed it so bad that everything sorta isn't working)
[08:41] <Hylas> agreed
[08:42] <after8> hehe....
[08:43] <Liam> connect irc.dilexnet.net
[08:43] <chrizzly> any Filipino there
[08:47] <abarbaccia> how do i change the default app a filetype opens with
[08:49] <divid> 'System -> Preferences -> Preferred applications' in the system menu
[08:49] <disgrunt_led> ml
[08:51] <disgrunt_led> whats the proper way to check the md5sum of a cd rom
[08:51] <disgrunt_led> *cdrom
[08:52] <patfm> is there some way to re-run the xorg configuration thing that runs during startup:
[08:52] <kingemer> disgrunt_led: read it a few bytes at a time and feed that into something that generates the checksum for you
[08:53] <vladuz976> anybody know if "turtlebeach" sound cards are a problem in ubuntu as far as drivers go?
[08:54] <Draal> Howdy.. Two questions 1) What is the rec. amount of space for Ubuntu (main and swap) 2) What is the partition limit?
[08:54] <Draal> Erm.. Drive space in gigs
[08:54] <disgrunt_led> command?
[08:54] <miclorz> has anybody used hula project in here?
[08:54] <Draal> vladuz ~ do a google search
[08:55] <kingemer> disgrunt_led: hmm, beats me :-/
[08:55] <disgrunt_led> a simple md5sum /dev/cdrom used to work properly bu after last update it dosent
[08:55] <Burgundavia> miclorz, there are some ubuntu users on breezy. #hula might be a better place to find them
[08:56] <miclorz> Burgundavia: the hula group aren't responding
[08:57] <abarbaccia> how do i change the default app a filetype opens with
[08:57] <bam_> rt mouse click properties
[08:57] <bam_> open with
[08:57] <Draal> Oh.. WOW!
[08:57] <bam_> wow?
[08:58] <Draal> Nothing
[08:58] <cevizoglu> why do the vim-gnome and vim-gtk packages not show up in the gnome menu?  which package would?
[08:58] <Draal> bam_; I'm doing a clean install of Ubuntu on a 60 gig drive, I'd prefer to use as little space as possible for the base install and programs.. How much space do you think I should use?
[08:59] <bam_> dunno, why do you want to partition it
[08:59] <bam_> dual boot
[09:00] <bam_> ?
[09:00] <robitaille> Draal,  Ubuntu should fit in 3GB...not counting users files, and if you are conservative in thr number of installed applications
[09:00] <zcat[1] > moo
[09:00] <after8> partition tool question... is gparted 'safe' for resizing fat partitions
[09:00] <cevizoglu> Draal, you also need to partition for your swap space
[09:00] <Draal> What size for swap do you rec?
[09:01] <Draal> bam ~ I just prefer to have as much space as possible for my own files
[09:01] <bam_> depends on how mush ram you have
[09:01] <Draal> 256
[09:01] <robitaille> after8,  I have done it, and  it worked.  but do your backups BEFORE the resizing :)
[09:01] <Draal> megs
[09:01] <bam_> oh i see
[09:01] <after8> robitaille> ;) totally
[09:01] <robitaille> after8,  some people do it afterward....
[09:01] <robitaille> or never...
[09:01] <bam_> whats the rule of thumb 2.5x, or is that just a windows suggestion
[09:02] <bam_> i dont run swap
[09:02] <bam_> *a swap
[09:02] <zcat[1] > Swap:       979956       2908     977048
[09:02] <mindamp> how do i get mysql logging queries?
[09:02] <zcat[1] > I never seem to touch my swap no matter what I do.
[09:03] <mindamp> i can't just add --log=/var/spool/mysql/mysql_all.log to init.d ...
[09:03] <mindamp> it doesn't work
[09:03] <robitaille> bam_, the Breezy installer gave me a default of 512mb for a  machine with 256mb of ram
[09:03] <zcat[1] > .. currently using 3k out of almost a gig?
[09:03] <bam_> ive got 2 gigs of ram so i thought....why?
[09:03] <bam_> im at 20%
[09:03] <Draal> Oh.. So swap is virtual memory?
[09:03] <robitaille> if I had 2gb of ram I wouldn't bother with swap...
[09:03] <No1Viking> !tell me about iptables
[09:03] <zcat[1] > I have 300M of ram and ubuntu never seems to bother with swap..
[09:04] <Draal> !tell me about iptables
[09:04] <bam_> thats why i switched from xp
[09:04] <bam_> faster
[09:04] <No1Viking> How do I enable iptables as a daemon?
[09:04] <TokenBad> I have 1 gig
[09:04] <TokenBad> so not sure what my swap would be
[09:05] <mindamp> how do i get mysql logging queries?
[09:05] <mindamp> i can't just add --log=/var/spool/mysql/mysql_all.log to init.d ...
[09:05] <mindamp> it doesn't work
[09:05] <TokenBad> or even if I knew..I wouldn't know how to set swap for that size
[09:05] <disgrunt_led> whats the proper way to check the md5sum of a cdrom
[09:06] <zcat[1] > disgrunt_led: md5sum /dev/cdrom should work ..
[09:06] <bam_> hmm how odd
[09:06] <mumak> How can I make caps lock an extra control key on my powerbook?
[09:06] <disgrunt_led> it used too
[09:06] <bam_> got 3 files that refuse to delete
[09:06] <disgrunt_led> thats why im asking
[09:07] <disgrunt_led> it no longer works that way
[09:07] <disgrunt_led> wtf happend i wonder
[09:07] <zcat[1] > CD not padded out to full blocks
[09:07] <zcat[1] > ?
[09:07] <disgrunt_led> i get io error
[09:08] <disgrunt_led> its a debian cdrom burned a image
[09:08] <disgrunt_led> *as a image
[09:08] <No1Viking> How do I enable iptables as a daemon?
[09:08] <zcat[1] > md5sum the iso?
[09:09] <er4z0r> hello, I am trying to get vnc4server working by this HOWTO:
[09:09] <er4z0r> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=42941&page=1&pp=10&highlight=vnc4server
[09:09] <disgrunt_led> yeah i  did the downloaded file but i want to check the actual cd
[09:09] <er4z0r> however I cannot find /etc/init.d/inetd
[09:09] <er4z0r> how come?
[09:09] <nige> how do i tell what verision of x i am using
[09:09] <er4z0r> I am using Brezzy btw.
[09:09] <nige> either xorg or free86
[09:10] <zcat[1] > usually --version tells you
[09:10] <No1Viking> !tell me about firewall
[09:10] <Draal> !tell me about partitions
[09:10] <gago> can we play online games with ubuntu?
[09:11] <Draal> Yes
[09:11] <Draal> Try Wesnoth
[09:11] <Draal> Its fun
[09:11] <gago> how about ragnarok online and elysian ragnarok?
[09:11] <Draal> !tell me about partition
[09:11] <Draal> No
[09:12] <gago> no chance at all?
[09:13] <gago> coz the internet cafes here in the philippines r pretty fucked up with this BSA shit..
[09:13] <er4z0r> nobody an idea?
[09:13] <after8> gago> maybe with transgaming cedega
[09:13] <after8> er4z0r> try: sudo find / -name inetd
[09:13] <gago> it's kinda limited..
[09:14] <pcjohn> i must be blind.. but i was thinking of trying ubuntu.. but cant find what the system requirements are.. don't want to download it if its not going to work with my computer.. anyone want to enlighten me?
[09:14] <er4z0r> after8: /etc/webmin/inetd
[09:14] <er4z0r> /usr/share/webmin/mscstyle3/inetd
[09:14] <er4z0r> /usr/share/webmin/inetd
[09:15] <er4z0r> looks like there was not inetd on my system
[09:15] <er4z0r> very strange
[09:15] <mumak> surely someone has a powerbook and cares about caps lock being an extra control
[09:15] <robitaille> pcjohn,  I can't remember seeing an actual doc with system requirements (but I know they are working on one for the release of Breezy).  What are the specs of your machine?
[09:15] <gago> it's very important that i install all the online games that the customers want to play..  namely: gunbound, elysianRO, Khan
[09:16] <pcjohn> celeron 850mhz 256mb ram.. its a laptop.. think it would work ok?
[09:16] <gago> it'll do fine..
[09:16] <after8> pcjohn> no pbs
[09:16] <robitaille> pcjohn,  oh yes it will fine
[09:16] <pcjohn> ok.. thx
[09:16] <after8> i'm on a P3 500 w/ 256...
[09:17] <gago> after8> it'll do fine too
[09:19] <persia> I'm having trouble getting all by (ASCII) keys to work on a japanese keyboard in X.  Does anybody have a good understanding of how xkb selects the mapping?
[09:20] <kingemer> ive installed ubuntu on a 200mhz, 128MB, and it ran just fine
[09:20] <mindframe> i upgrade to breezy and iwconfig is showing both eth1 and eth2 as my wifi card.  how do i remove eth2?  eth1 is the one that i have configured in /etc/network/interfaces (and should be)
[09:20] <kingemer> although the machine did die shortly thereafter, im pretty sure it wasnt ubuntu's fault :-P
[09:20] <er4z0r> how can i get inetd running on my system?
[09:21] <er4z0r> or rather: how can I install it
[09:21] <persia> er4z0r: You probably want inetutils-inetd
[09:23] <er4z0r> persia: any clue why this isn't installed by default?
[09:24] <er4z0r> persia: or is it, but only on the server-installation of ubuntu?
[09:24] <persia> er4z0r: The default configuration includes as few network daemons as possible, to improve security.
[09:24] <x[BrB] x> what does this mean >>>>>>> Setting up gstreamer0.8-plugins (0.8.11-0ubuntu3) ...
[09:24] <x[BrB] x> W: Couldn't stat source package list cdrom://Ubuntu 5.10 _Breezy Badger_
[09:25] <er4z0r> persia: yeah noticed sshd missing either. thanks for your hint
[09:26] <station4> punyeta kau
[09:27] <cevizoglu> how do I put gvim into my gnome menu?
[09:31] <Cryptid> how to i get BMP to play .wma files is there a plugin for it????
[09:32] <creart_> hi all... which program should i use to nake a virtual cd drive?
[09:32] <kevor> anyone here with VPN knowledge?
[09:32] <johndarkhorse> Cryptid: you need w32codecs
[09:32] <johndarkhorse> !codecs
[09:32] <ubotu> from memory, codecs is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[09:32] <kevor> trying to setup a VPN connection, but it's not working
[09:33] <kevor> Using pptpconfig to connect to a vpn, the output of pptpd is: Connect: ppp0 <--> /dev/pts/7
[09:33] <kevor> MPPE required, but MS-CHAP[v2]  auth not performed.
[09:33] <kevor> Connection terminated.
[09:33] <kevor> what's failing here?
[09:35] <x[BrB] x> i cant play my mp3 files
[09:35] <Cryptid> johndarkhorse, i have them but still it dosent work
[09:36] <Cryptid> johndarkhorse, ok its working thanx
[09:36] <volvoguy> pardon my bad memory. is the person that suggested "gpart" for a hard drive problem last night around here tonight?
[09:37] <x[BrB] x> play mp3
[09:37] <Belutz> my friend just ask me, he use slow dial-up with ubuntu, and he can't get the app from repos, can he download the packages in the repos manually?
[09:38] <x[BrB] x> belutz i still cant play my mp3 files :(
[09:39] <Belutz> x[BrB] x: wait
[09:39] <Belutz> x[BrB] x: just got home from campus :p
[09:39] <gn0me> Hmm. I can't seem to mount a FAT32 partition for users to write to.. I set rw,umask=000 .. anyone know what the other options should be?
[09:39] <lastnode|grub> gn0me, vfat
[09:39] <smurfix> *Grumble* my (GNOME) system beeps irregularly. Anybody know how to find out which program is responsible?
[09:40] <gn0me> lastnode|grub: Using that
[09:40] <x[BrB] x> lol
[09:40] <gn0me> It opens and reads, but can't write
[09:40] <lastnode|grub> gn0me, it should boot then
[09:40] <lastnode|grub> i use
[09:40] <lastnode|grub> defaults,umask=0
[09:40] <gn0me> k
[09:40] <lastnode|grub> *mount
[09:40] <persia> Belutz: The applications can be downloaded manually, but there will be no dependency support.  Dial-up users are usually better supported with apt-zip to collect things for them.
[09:41] <Belutz> persia: ok, i'll tell him
[09:42] <Belutz> x[BrB] x: have you installed gstreamer0.8-mad ?
[09:42] <creart_> could someone give me a link, to an installation in linux guide?
[09:42] <x[BrB] x> i forgot already
[09:42] <x[BrB] x> hehehe
[09:43] <Belutz> hehehe
[09:44] <x[BrB] x> what should i do belutz
[09:45] <persia> creart_: Are you looking for https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Installation?
[09:46] <Belutz> x[BrB] x: sudo apt-get gstreamer0.8-mad ?
[09:47] <johndarkhorse> Belutz: nalioth sends regards
[09:49] <Belutz> johndarkhorse: thx :) where is he?
[09:49] <x[BrB] x> belutz W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems
[09:49] <Belutz> x[BrB] x: do you enable the universe/multiverse repos ?
[09:50] <Belutz> johndarkhorse: hahahaha :D
[09:50] <Belutz> johndarkhorse: are you always on PPC?
[09:50] <x[BrB] x> belutz im not sure... how would i know??
[09:50] <johndarkhorse> Belutz: i only own ppc boxen
[09:51] <cevizoglu> johndarkhorse: good  :)
[09:51] <johndarkhorse> x[BrB] x: enable uni and multi repos, you'll be glad you did
[09:51] <Belutz> x[BrB] x: check your /etc/apt/sources.lits and uncomment all the repos
[09:52] <geez> whats the command to reconfigure xserver-xorg?
[09:52] <persia> geez: `sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg`
[09:52] <pc11> hello there.
[09:52] <geez> persia: ah thanks, i was trying dpkg --reconfigure
[09:53] <x[BrB] x> belutz where do i'll check that
[09:53] <pc11> I'm really having a hard time installing programs in ubuntu.
[09:53] <persia> geez: Maybe someday that will work :)  It's been a wishlist bug for years.
[09:53] <Belutz> x[BrB] x: sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list from terminal
[09:54] <h4zn__> Does anyone know how to tell if a laptop has wireless conections
[09:54] <Belutz> smurfix: sorry to pm you without permission, i want to talk about LoCo team?
[09:54] <smurfix> Belutz: #ubuntu-locoteams
[09:54] <Belutz> smurfix: ok
[09:55] <x[BrB] x> belutz a window pup uo sources list
[09:55] <x[BrB] x> then whats next?
[09:55] <volvoguy> final plea. anyone familiar with the "gpart" tool? :-)
[09:56] <Belutz> x[BrB] x: read the text, and uncomment the universe/multiverse repos
[09:56] <h4zn__> Does anyone know how to tell if a laptop has wireless conections
[09:56] <johndarkhorse> volvoguy: you need to ask in here during the daytime (US) when every1 is at their work shirking in here
[09:56] <x[BrB] x> deb cdrom:[Ubuntu 5.10 _Breezy Badger_ - Preview i386 (20050908)] / breezy main restricted universe multiverse
[09:56] <volvoguy> h4zn__, did you ask that last night?
[09:56] <cevizoglu> h4zn__, iwconfig
[09:57] <volvoguy> johndarkhorse, but i SLEEP during the daytime. :-)
[09:57] <volvoguy> i'll try nonetheless. see ya'll tomorrow!
[09:58] <x[BrB] x> belutz how should i know if the text are comments?
[09:58] <Belutz> x[BrB] x: the one begins with # is commented
[09:59] <Belutz> x[BrB] x: why dont you paste your source.list into the pastebin and i'll edit it for you :)
[09:59] <x[BrB] x> belutz so i'll just remove all the text that begins with #
[09:59] <cevizoglu> ubuntu isn't using enough hard disk space.  can anyone help me?
[09:59] <x[BrB] x> damn..... where can i see the pastebin???
[09:59] <x[BrB] x> hahahah
[09:59] <h4zn__> this is just a general question..it is for a friends and he has win xp
[10:00] <Belutz> x[BrB] x: paste.ubuntulinux.nl
[10:02] <x[BrB] x> belutz then.. i'll just copy it?
[10:02] <Belutz> x[BrB] x: yup
[10:03] <TokenBad> what was command to see hard drive space again?
[10:03] <zcat[1] > 'df'
[10:03] <persia> TokenBad: df -k
[10:03] <x[BrB] x> im done
[10:03] <hungsolow> anybody have a free second or two -- got a problem I can't find a solution for anywhere and I think it might be something I've overlooked
[10:03] <Belutz> x[BrB] x: paste the url in here
[10:03] <x[BrB] x> belutz whats next sir?
[10:03] <johndarkhorse> TokenBad: install 'discus' or 'xdiskusage' and make it easy on yourself
[10:03] <charlotte> hgjkyy
[10:04] <Belutz> x[BrB] x: don't call me sir :D
[10:04] <x[BrB] x> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2339
[10:05] <Belutz> x[BrB] x: ok wait
[10:05] <Belutz> x[BrB] x: omg are you using breezy??
[10:05] <x[BrB] x> belutz how i wish i have the same knowledge about linux ;(
[10:05] <er4z0r_afk> hungsolow: don't ask to ask questions. Just do it
[10:05] <x[BrB] x> yap
[10:05] <earth4> hello
[10:06] <warren_> hello
[10:06] <x[BrB] x> belutz yes im using breezy
[10:06] <ColonelKernel> my god make-kpkg takes a long time
[10:06] <warren_> we're Filipino your fellow ubuntu user
[10:06] <keven> hi
[10:06] <warren_> we need help
[10:06] <warren_> hi keven
[10:06] <earth4> wanna help me
[10:06] <TokenBad> thanks persia and johndarkhorse
[10:07] <hungsolow> sorry didn't want to interrupt -- I just went through installing java according to guides and now synaptic won't work and I keep getting an error "E: The package ibmjava2-142-ppc32-sdk needs to be reinstalled, but I can't find an archive for it."
[10:07] <Belutz> x[BrB] x: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2340 <--- i'll already edited it
[10:07] <symbiont> hi, trying to setup 5.1 but the partitioning stuff is not functioning, i'm using vmware to install over a 4.1 setup
[10:07] <er4z0r> hungsolow: How does the guide tell to install it?
[10:08] <er4z0r> hungsolow: I use java-packge thats usually fine for me
[10:08] <johndarkhorse> hungsolow: do you have the ibmjava pkg on your hard disc somewhere?
[10:08] <brownie17> does somebody mind telling me a little about the audio ripping proccess? i.e. without encoding, would an album be 600 meg? what is a good ripper?
[10:08] <x[BrB] x> got it
[10:08] <papa_at_39> hi I trying to setup 5.04 but do not like the gnome default desktop size of 1024x768
[10:08] <johndarkhorse> brownie17: again, a half answer: grip is a good ripper
[10:08] <er4z0r> nmap shows both 5900 and 5901 open (scannend from server itself)
[10:09] <zcat[1] > brownie17: Sound Juicer .. 600M as wav file, about 300 as FLAC,
[10:09] <johndarkhorse> brownie17: uncompressed audio usually runs about 10mb per minute of song
[10:09] <papa_at_39> how to we change the default desktop to 800x600 ?
[10:09] <x[BrB] x> belutz i've paste it already :)
[10:09] <Belutz> x[BrB] x: great
[10:09] <symbiont> did partitioner work for everyone else in 5.1?
[10:09] <pipoun> papa_at_39, you have to edit the xorg.conf file or there an appl which doest that without rebooting
[10:09] <zcat[1] > and about 30-150 as mp3 depending how much you squash it.
[10:09] <warren_> hello people
[10:09] <johndarkhorse> papa_at_39: System > prefs > resolution
[10:09] <warren_> we just run out of time
[10:09] <warren_> please help us to install the client server configuration
[10:10] <warren_> we just shift to ubuntu
[10:10] <persia> er4z0r: What sort of problem are you having with your vnc server again?
[10:10] <brownie17> johndarkhorse, so another question, if i were to put a cd i know has audio on it, but the computer is only recognising the data, what could i do?
[10:10] <warren_> we don't know to configure it
[10:10] <johndarkhorse> brownie17: use grip on the audio portion
[10:10] <papa_at_39> johndarkhorse: i'll try ur suggestion, wait a moment...
[10:10] <warren_> we're just so attached with microsoft
[10:10] <warren_> and now
[10:10] <hungsolow> johndarkhorse: yeah I've still got it -- it had me use the fakeroot alien to cnvert the rpm file
[10:10] <warren_> we don't know what to do
[10:10] <brownie17> johndarkhorse, but Grip does not recognise audio either
[10:10] <er4z0r> persia: well, I can not connect to it from my windows box (used 2 different clients)
[10:11] <marianne> hi
[10:11] <er4z0r> persia: I used a howto from the forums
[10:11] <johndarkhorse> hungsolow: then open a terminal where the ibm pkg is and use dpkg to reinstall it
[10:11] <zcat[1] > what's the CD?
[10:11] <x[BrB] x> belutz W: Couldn't stat source package list cdrom://Ubuntu 5.10 _Breezy Badger_ - Preview i386 (20050908) breezy/multiverse Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/Ubuntu%205.10%20%5fBreezy%20Badger%5f%20-%20Preview%20i386%20(20050908)_dists_breezy_multiverse_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
[10:11] <er4z0r> persia: http://ubuntuforums.org/search.php?searchid=1751294
[10:11] <brownie17> zcat[1] , it is "the very best of led zeppelin"
[10:11] <persia> er4z0r: You can ping ubuntu from windows, right?  Also, does the output of netstat -ntlp include the port to which you are trying to attach?  If so, it it open from your vnc server?
[10:11] <johndarkhorse> x[BrB] x: you'll be getting that a lot
[10:11] <johndarkhorse> x[BrB] x: breezy is still not ready
[10:12] <Belutz> x[BrB] x: hmm you can't comment the cd-rom repos
[10:12] <Belutz> x[BrB] x: i mean you can comment the cdrom repos
[10:12] <x[BrB] x> so what will i do?
[10:12] <er4z0r> persia: I scanned my vnc-server with nmap and they show up as open
[10:12] <johndarkhorse> x[BrB] x: try again later to update
[10:13] <Belutz> x[BrB] x: hmm i'm still using hoary, haven't got guts to move to breezy yet
[10:13] <Belutz> :D
[10:13] <x[BrB] x> :(
[10:13] <geez> i installed gdm, xfce4, and xserver-xorg but when i try to get to gdm it says 'i cannot start the x server. it is likely it is not setup correctly. would you like to view the x server output to diagnose the problem' yes-no, but i cant select yes or no with the keyboard any idas
[10:13] <persia> er4z0r: Which vnc server?
[10:13] <x[BrB] x> im really getting confused with linux
[10:13] <x[BrB] x> huhuhu
[10:13] <er4z0r> persia: vnc4server
[10:14] <Belutz> x[BrB] x: don't be :D
[10:14] <brownie17> johndarkhorse, if i give you a pastebin screenshot of my grip window and my "computer" window, will you please tell me what the label is for my dvd drive? because i think it isn't working in Grip becasue it's default is my other cd drive
[10:14] <zcat[1] > I installed breezy on the kid's PPC .. works like a dream. Now I have breezy kubuntu on it
[10:14] <cevizoglu> johndarkhorse: I moved my powerbook to breezy two days ago and I had zero problems
[10:14] <er4z0r> persia: tcp6       0      0 :::5900                 :::*                    LISTEN     5685/inetutils-inet
[10:14] <zcat[1] > I'm gonna love installing breezy when it goes to release..
[10:14] <x[BrB] x> W: Couldn't stat source package list cdrom://Ubuntu 5.10 _Breezy Badger_ - Preview i386 (20050908) breezy/universe Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/Ubuntu%205.10%20%5fBreezy%20Badger%5f%20-%20Preview%20i386%20(20050908)_dists_breezy_universe_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
[10:14] <er4z0r> persia: thats what netstat sais, and ping also works properly
[10:15] <johndarkhorse> x[BrB] x: quit pasting in here please
[10:15] <x[BrB] x> sorry
[10:15] <johndarkhorse> brownie17: please do
[10:15] <persia> er4z0r: You've picked a server I can't install here.  Sorry I can't help more.
[10:15] <marianne> hhi
[10:15] <x[BrB] x> so what's the best thing i have to do?? try to update later??
[10:16] <marianne> howna
[10:16] <johndarkhorse> x[BrB] x: yes
[10:16] <er4z0r> persia: :(
[10:16] <marianne> hi what na
[10:16] <zcat[1] > na ?
[10:16] <johndarkhorse> cevizoglu: i installed breezy last week on my ibook and it was challenging to recover from it
[10:16] <persia> er4z0r: You might try taking a look around the package (especially in /usr/share/doc/vnc4server/ to see where the logs are kept.  It should either show something (perhaps useful) or indicate that although the port is open, the server isn't seeing the connection.
[10:16] <marianne> ok ka lng
[10:17] <marianne> how old na u?
[10:17] <papa_at_39> johndarkhorse: thanks a lot, i got my desktop to 800x600 already.
[10:17] <johndarkhorse> papa_at_39: np
[10:17] <Vampis> 800x600 is the shit :P
[10:17] <johndarkhorse> tagalog in #ubuntu-ph
[10:17] <cevizoglu> johndarkhorse, in what way?  I couldn't get nalioth to tell me what trouble he had
[10:17] <papa_at_39> johndarkhorse: u mean there is a 5.1 ubuntu, my 5.04 just got installed moments ago!
[10:18] <marianne> iam 78
[10:18] <johndarkhorse> papa_at_39: it's ok. upgrading is seamless
[10:18] <marianne> u
[10:18] <johndarkhorse> papa_at_39: official release date is oct 13
[10:18] <x[BrB] x> johndarkhorse but it says that my breezy is upto date] 
[10:18] <marianne> ikdtriykyu
[10:18] <johndarkhorse> x[BrB] x: it is lying. it wont be up to date until oct 13
[10:18] <marianne> ku6or
[10:18] <papa_at_39> ok, so u mean breezy (5.1) is still beta ?
[10:18] <johndarkhorse> good thing too
[10:18] <cevizoglu> papa_at_39, yes
[10:18] <brownie17> johndarkhorse, is pastebin down!?!?!
[10:18] <zcat[1] > 5.10 (the 10 means October)
[10:19] <johndarkhorse> brownie17: idk
[10:19] <x[BrB] x> dami palang pinoy d2
[10:19] <x[BrB] x> :)
[10:19] <papa_at_39> i'd rather with my 5.04, i believe in being content...hehehehe
[10:20] <x[BrB] x> how can i play my movie files
[10:20] <zcat[1] > I'm not going to upgrade my main box till it's out, but I've been playing with breezy on the kid's box.
[10:20] <papa_at_39> hi <x[BrB] x> ! kababayan ko...I'm from Oroquieta City, Mindanao, Phils
[10:20] <johndarkhorse> papa_at_39: ubuntu releases every 6 months
[10:20] <x[BrB] x> papa_at_39 im from cavite dude
[10:20] <x[BrB] x> :)
[10:20] <johndarkhorse> papa_at_39: x[BrB] x in #ubuntu-offtopic or #ubuntu-ph please
[10:21] <papa_at_39> Mine just got installed, because of impending Microsoft / BSA raid in our place
[10:21] <x[BrB] x> how can i play my movie files
[10:21] <tsk> hellow
[10:21] <marc`> i downloaded a theme and it didnt install, where do i extract it to?
[10:21] <after8> !tell x[BrB] x about restricted
[10:21] <marc`> downloaded a .jar file
[10:21] <Belutz> x[BrB] x: since you're using breezy, i can't help you
[10:21] <papa_at_39> how's the BSA / Microsoft / NBI doing in Cavite, dude ?
[10:22] <zcat[1] > where is Cavite?
[10:22] <ishai> where can I find the option for devfs in the kernel config?
[10:22] <disgrunt_led> has anyone elses mdsum /dev/cdrom stopped working after last apt-get upgrade
[10:22] <disgrunt_led> ?
[10:22] <disgrunt_led> *md5sum
[10:22] <zcat[1] > I wouldn't want the BSA snooping around up my Cavite..
[10:22] <after8> papa_at_39> we all have our reasons for turning to linux :D
[10:22] <warren_> may alam ba kayo sa inspection ng NBI sa mga pirited ng OS?
[10:23] <warren_> papa_at_39
[10:23] <marc`> where do i extract firefox themes?
[10:24] <johndarkhorse> tagalog in #ubuntu-ph, please guys
[10:24] <beti8> gfgfg
[10:24] <zcat[1] > usually you just go back to the theme manager and pick 'use this theme'
[10:24] <beti8> tagalogba
[10:24] <warren_> opo
[10:24] <ishai> where can I find the option for devfs in the kernel config?
[10:24] <warren_> install kami ng ubuntu pano
[10:24] <marc`> i click install on the addons.mozilla page and it downloaded a .jar file
[10:24] <disgrunt_led> under filesystems
[10:24] <gunza> hi benji
[10:24] <disgrunt_led> i think
[10:24] <warren_> running na yung server namin
[10:25] <jsgotangco> if you want to talk in tagalog or in the philippines, please go to #ubuntu-ph instead of asking in tagalog here
[10:25] <warren_> tulong naman sa mga client
[10:25] <station08> hi everu
[10:25] <Belutz> english please
[10:25] <station08> hi every1
[10:25] <warren_> ok sorry
[10:25] <disgrunt_led> hello
[10:25] <gunza> hi Benji
[10:25] <beti8> bakit ano ba ang problema
[10:25] <gunza> how areyou
[10:25] <gunza> long time
[10:25] <Belutz> beti8: english please
[10:25] <jsgotangco> beti8, english only please
[10:25] <station08> pede simali s in u jan
[10:25] <Belutz> wew
[10:25] <jsgotangco> station08, english only please
[10:25] <madsab> anyone had problems with gcc? I get "C compiler cannot create executables"
[10:25] <Belutz> no one are listening
[10:25] <beti8> englich language ok
[10:26] <ishai> where can I find the option for devfs in the kernel config?
[10:26] <warren_> ok sorry if i speak tagalog...im' just a beginner
[10:26] <station08> bkit taga san ba kau\
[10:26] <johndarkhorse> madsab: have you installed "build-essential"/
[10:26] <jsgotangco> TAGALOG speakers PLEASE move to #ubuntu-ph
[10:26] <station08> bt klangan ng english
[10:26] <persia> ishai: You really don't want that for Ubuntu.  Everything is configured for udev.
[10:26] <Belutz> warren_: i'm a beginner too and my english is not good enough too
[10:26] <disgrunt_led> someone kick'em
[10:26] <madsab> hmm let me see
[10:26] <johndarkhorse> tagalog in #ubuntu-ph please
[10:26] <ishai> persia vanilla kernels just work like crap on ubuntu
[10:27] <marc`> !tell marc` mp3
[10:27] <ishai> for some reason its looking for devfs
[10:27] <marc`> !tell marc` about mp3
[10:27] <disgrunt_led> later homies :-P
[10:28] <johndarkhorse> spambots
[10:28] <madsab> johndarkhouse: no thanks. I will try that
[10:29] <madsab> johndarkhouse: Thanks, that solved my problem
[10:30] <priest> I'm running Breezy and after an upgrade i can't boot, I'm getting this error: "/init:64 Syntax error: 0x   Kernel panic - not syncing: Attempted to kill init!" I have tried 2 diffrent kernels and i have rerunned grub-install. Someone know something to do?
[10:31] <nimra> hello there, is there anybody who can help me with POWER PC support?
[10:31] <persia> nimra: You'd do best just to ask.
[10:32] <nimra> I have a Power Macintosh G3 (beige) running Mac OS 9.2 and I'm trying to boot the live CD of 5.04
[10:33] <johndarkhorse> nimra: and?
[10:34] <nimra> it won't boot from the cd... i've read through a bit of the user manual but none of the boot commands work
[10:34] <zcat[1] > You can't boot the live CD on an OldWorld mac
[10:34] <brownie17> priest, probably an install problem, did it go to the second stage the FIRST time you rebooted after the first stage of install?
[10:34] <johndarkhorse> nimra: thank zcat[1]  for his info
[10:34] <nimra> really? damn, thank you
[10:35] <zcat[1] > http://wlug.org.nz/UbuntuOnOldWorldPPC
[10:35] <zcat[1] > Technically you could boot it, but you'd have to install BootX, copy the kernel over, yada yada..
[10:36] <priest> brownie17, i wasn't upgrading -to- breezy, i already run breeze, it just stoped work after an ordinary upgrade.
[10:36] <brownie17> priest, ok, sorry
[10:36] <brownie17> zcat[1] , what other way can you install ubunutu?
[10:36] <johndarkhorse> brownie17: on an old world mac, you have to install it, not run the livecd
[10:36] <brownie17> zcat[1] , i mean without booting, how cna you install ubuntu
[10:36] <brownie17> johndarkhorse, oh ok, so install boot works fine?
[10:37] <zcat[1] > Follow the wiki howto
[10:37] <johndarkhorse> brownie17: yes, with the steps zcat[1]  pointed out in the wiki
[10:37] <nimra> thank you for your help, another question... i have a pentium4 premade computer and my C-Media soundcard wont work, (or on knoppix) but it works on Fedora Core 4, any help?
[10:37] <brownie17> johndarkhorse, i dont have a ppc, i'm just interested
[10:38] <zcat[1] > You have to use BootX to get the kernel loaded, after that everything works the same way as a regular boot.
[10:38] <cevizoglu> brownie17, you're planning to buy an old-world mac?
[10:38] <nimra> thanks, i'm reading through it now
[10:39] <zcat[1] > nimra: Find out what module(s) FC4 loads to make it work, and add that to /etc/modules
[10:39] <zcat[1] > usually that's all you need..
[10:40] <pipoun> do you know where I can find some themes for xmms? I've already been on xmms.org an freshmeat
[10:40] <brownie17> cevizoglu, nah, just asking for interest sake
[10:41] <rabbit78> hi
[10:41] <cevizoglu> brownie17, it's really annoying for a linux newbie without proper directions, but not too bad otherwise.  you fake out a mac os system which is really yaboot
[10:43] <brownie17> cevizoglu, oh ok. yeah, without all the internet linux documentation and ubuntu, there amount of people using linux for everyday use would probably be halved
[10:43] <brownie17> gtg
[10:44] <rabbit78> I updated to breezy-preview (via dist-upgrade). However, the usplash does not work out of the box. Am I missing a setting?
[10:44] <cevizoglu> wow, freedoom works on breezy.  sweet  :D
[10:45] <klepas> any chance of turning off the action sounds in breezy beta?
[10:50] <Viking667> Got a quick question I don't know the answer to. What's the equivalent to update-menus for updating the Gnome menu? The reason I ask is because I've added some apps but they're not turning up in my menus.
[10:50] <johndarkhorse> Viking667: if they are console apps, they wont show up
[10:51] <johndarkhorse> Viking667: and usually you need to kill your gnome-panel or log out and back in to see the entries
[10:51] <Viking667> they're not. They're X clients, some of them gtk
[10:51] <Viking667> I logged out, logged in. Hell, I even rebooted.
[10:51] <johndarkhorse> Viking667: then it depends on if the packagers wrote the script to install to the menu
[10:51] <johndarkhorse> Viking667: hoary or breezy?
[10:52] <Viking667> Hoary, with everything updated except for openoffice.
[10:52] <johndarkhorse> !tell Viking667 about smeg
[10:52] <Viking667> oh, and lots of stuff from <universe>
[10:52] <johndarkhorse> Viking667: i recommend you use the installsmeg script from the homepage
[10:52] <Viking667> ah huh. I'll take a look at that.
[10:52] <Viking667> thank you.
[10:53] <agrisb> I am not sure is this a right place for that question, but after installing usplash how can i make it work?
[10:54] <shawarma> agrisb: dpkg-reconfigure your linux-image
[10:54] <gfunckers> #ubuntu-ph
[10:54] <shawarma> agrisb: That'll include it in you initrd image.
[10:54] <agrisb> shawarma: - Thanks!!!
[10:55] <shawarma> agrisb: Any time
[10:55] <cute_bettong> !repos
[10:55] <ubotu> repos is, like, totally, at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto A list of official repositories can be found at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969
[10:56] <beerockxs> can anyone help me to install the sun java sdk?
[10:58] <shawarma> beerockxs: Add multiverse to your sources.list
[10:58] <Viking667> heh - multiverse? lol. I'm just getting used to universe.
[10:59] <shawarma> Viking667: Heh...
[10:59] <johndarkhorse> Viking667: install uni and multi, you'll be glad you did
[10:59] <beerockxs> I have multiverse in sources.list
[10:59] <x[BrB] x> how can i use yahoo messenger ?
[10:59] <Viking667> what's in multi that's not in uni, apart from java...?
[11:00] <beerockxs> but I still can't find the j2se
[11:00] <shawarma> beerockxs: j2sdk1.5
[11:00] <slept> I'm looking for a quick way to split an 60mb archive to files with size round 3mb
[11:00] <shawarma> Viking667: Stuff with restrictive licenses.
[11:00] <johndarkhorse> Viking667: add it and you'll see the wonders
[11:00] <beerockxs> apt-cache search j2sdk1.5 finds nothing
[11:00] <Viking667> right.
[11:00] <shawarma> beerockxs: Have you added multiverse?
[11:00] <beerockxs> i did
[11:01] <beerockxs> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary multiverse
[11:01] <shawarma> beerockxs: How about j2sdk1.4 ?
[11:01] <pcharky> Hello people, got a little problem. For some obscure reason (seems out of the blue) xorg won't start, and locks my entire pc. The logs say "Caught signal 11. Server aborting". Can anybody help me
[11:01] <Viking667> o.
[11:01] <beerockxs> shawarma: even searching for "j2s" yields no results
[11:01] <shawarma> beerockxs: Have you run apt-get update ?
[11:01] <beerockxs> shawarma: yes.
[11:02] <shawarma> beerockxs: Weirdness.
[11:02] <x[BrB] x> how can i use yahoo messenger ?
[11:02] <beerockxs> x[BrB] x: use gaim
[11:02] <slept> or to create an archive that is splited into small parts, what is the right expression for that
[11:03] <beerockxs> shawarma: isn't acroread in multiverse, too? I do find that, for example
[11:03] <marc`> i only have one song at the moment
[11:03] <shawarma> beerockxs: yes, it is.
[11:03] <marc`> only file that isnt MP3
[11:03] <shawarma> beerockxs: How about apt-cache search java sdk ?
[11:03] <Viking667> err, I suspect he wants the RE, not the SDK
[11:04] <beerockxs> shawarma: gives me free-java-sdk and the gcj sdk
[11:04] <priest> I'm running Breezy and after an upgrade i can't boot, I'm getting this error: "/init:64 Syntax error: 0x   Kernel panic - not syncing: Attempted to kill init!" I have tried 2 diffrent kernels and i have rerunned grub-install. Someone know something to do?
[11:04] <beerockxs> Viking667: I do want the SDK.
[11:04] <x[BrB] x> beerockxz theres alot of version of gaim and flatform..  which is which :)
[11:04] <bob2> multiverse is for non-free stuff that ubuntu can still legally distribute
[11:04] <Viking667> oh. then do you want the 1.4 or the 1.5 one?
[11:04] <bob2> java and w32codecs etc do not fit that
[11:04] <beerockxs> 1.5
[11:04] <Viking667> mmmm.
[11:04] <bob2> in fact, no one can distirbute them, so they're not in any legitmate apt repository
[11:04] <shawarma> beerockxs: deb http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net/ hoary-extras main universe multiverse restricted
[11:04] <bob2> they were in hoary-extras, but were removed the other day for this reason
[11:04] <Viking667> then what shawarma suggested.
[11:05] <shawarma> beerockxs: Add that to your sources.list and magic will happen.
[11:05] <Viking667> hrm. Hoary-extras?
[11:05] <bob2> it's not in hoary-extras anymore
[11:05] <x[BrB] x> beerockxz fedora, mandrake, redhat & etc
[11:05] <beerockxs> shawarma: If what bob2  says is correct, it won't. because I do have hoary-extras
[11:05] <beerockxs> x[BrB] x: apt-get install gaim should work
[11:05] <shawarma> bob2: It's in  multiverse in breezy...
[11:06] <beerockxs> bob2: So I need to get the rpm from sun and alien it?
[11:06] <bob2> shawarma: java is not
[11:06] <bob2> beerockxs: no
[11:06] <bob2> beerockxs: use make-jpkg or whatever
[11:06] <Viking667> Right. I'd better go try out this script
[11:06] <beerockxs> bob2: uhh?
[11:07] <shawarma> bob2: j2sdk1.4 is.
[11:07] <beerockxs> breezy will have native eclipse, right?
[11:07] <shawarma> http://packages.ubuntu.com/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=j2sdk1.4&searchon=names&subword=1&version=all&release=all
[11:07] <bob2> hm, I guess somsone got permission from blackdown
[11:08] <shawarma> bob2: it shows the EULA when installing it.. Maybe that's why it's ok.
[11:08] <shawarma> bob2: And you have to accept it before it proceeds with the install
[11:09] <johndarkhorse> ibm is not sun
[11:09] <Viking667> heh. And to think I'm using Eclipse 3.1 on Mandriva and j2sdk1.5.0
[11:09] <bob2> blackdown is not from ibm
[11:09] <beerockxs> Viking667: native Eclipse 3.1, or the normal one?
[11:10] <Viking667> normal one. I don't have the room to recompile. I just went and got the bl**dy big tarball, extracted, then ran.
[11:10] <er4z0r> ok problem again: I am trying to install freenx on breezy like specified in the howto
[11:11] <er4z0r> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FreeNX?highlight=%28freenx%29
[11:11] <rabbit78> dpkg-reconfigure <linux-image> does not find a splash image
[11:11] <er4z0r> could it be that http://seveas.ubuntulinux.nl/ is down?
[11:11] <Viking667> And I'm not game to install/recompile Eclipse on this box.
[11:12] <er4z0r> Seveas: can you help me?
[11:13] <johndarkhorse> er4z0r: seveas takes his server offline when he is not here
[11:14] <er4z0r> johndarkhorse: hmm bad ;( Can anyone tell me a better source for freenx?
[11:14] <johndarkhorse> er4z0r: if you wait a few hours, you can get it from Seveas
[11:14] <er4z0r> btw. why specify a host in a wiki-howto which isn't reachable all the time
[11:14] <johndarkhorse> er4z0r: that is being rectified
[11:15] <er4z0r> johndarkhorse: thanks
[11:15] <er4z0r> johndarkhorse: hmm well I'll try to put it up
[11:16] <er4z0r> johndarkhorse: doing this for work, so its always a bit shitty to explain things like this to your boss
[11:16] <rabbit78> which package contains an actual splash image for usplash?
[11:17] <bob2> I'm pretty sure the warning you're looking at is a red herring
[11:17] <Viking667> Right. I must depart.
[11:17] <zcat[1] > http://kanotix.com/files/debian/pool/f/freenx/ ?
[11:18] <Myrtti> smile, you're on candid camera!
[11:18] <er4z0r> zcat[1] : naa, thanks. don't want to mix distros
[11:18] <er4z0r> zcat[1] : still, thaks for the link
[11:18] <bob2> e.g.
[11:18] <bob2> Searching for splash image... none found, skipping...
[11:18] <bob2> rabbit78: I get that and still have a splash on boot
[11:18] <zcat[1] > you could build from source?
[11:19] <rabbit78> bob2: I get that too but have no splash
[11:20] <bob2> rabbit78: then it is unrelated
[11:20] <rabbit78> bob2: do I need to change some settings after hoary->breezy upgrade?
[11:20] <bob2> rabbit78: are you on ppc or amd64?
[11:20] <Myrtti> http://velhottaret.net/~myrtti/19-09-05.png (not that anyone would be interested, and most of you don't get the reference :-D)
[11:21] <rabbit78> bob2: no, i386
[11:22] <beerockxs> gah
[11:22] <beerockxs> running just java still gives me gij
[11:22] <Myrtti> if however somebody would be interested, here's another link: http://www.kirjasto.sci.fi/akivi.htm
[11:24] <er4z0r> zcat[1] : not familiar with debian-packaging. I'll just wait
[11:30] <CrTr> how to change my kbd layout ?
[11:30] <[LethAL] > CrTr, System, Preferences, Keyboard
[11:30] <Da_SWAT> how do I start the device manager from console?
[11:31] <CrTr> [LethAL] ,  by console ?
[11:31] <[LethAL] > CrTr, the only way I know is sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[11:31] <[LethAL] > Da_SWAT, hal-device-manager
[11:32] <Da_SWAT> thnx :)
[11:32] <rabbit78> so, no way to get my usplash working?
[11:33] <[LethAL] > I'd like to know how to as well rabbit78
[11:33] <Da_SWAT> Does anyone in here own a DVD drive from Pioneer? (I have a DVR-108) It's not recognized (special device not found @ boot) at all. Any pointers?
[11:34] <[LethAL] > Da_SWAT, Does is work in Winblows?
[11:34] <[LethAL] > it*
[11:34] <Da_SWAT> [LethAL] , yes
[11:35] <[LethAL] > O.o
[11:35] <Da_SWAT> I've even started a topic on this |---> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=34516&page=3
[11:35] <[LethAL] > lol
[11:36] <Da_SWAT> I'm just hoping that it will be resolved in the breezy release, but I won't bet my money on it. It just sucks that I MUST boot to Windows to burn anything here
[11:36] <after8> rabbit78> you mean a splash image when you choosewhat to boot?
[11:37] <ompaul> Da_SWAT, are u running Hoary at the moment?
[11:37] <Da_SWAT> ompaul, yes
[11:38] <ompaul> Da_SWAT, have you got a CD that we could play with and maybe turn into a coaster if it does not work?
[11:38] <rabbit78> after8: no, an usplash image
[11:38] <ompaul> Da_SWAT, (doh) does work?
[11:39] <Da_SWAT> :-P
[11:39] <Madpilot> Da_SWAT: I've got a Poineer 109, and it works fine in Ubuntu...
[11:39] <Da_SWAT> Madpilot, hmmmmm.....
[11:39] <Da_SWAT> it's that my drive isn't even showing up in the device manager!
[11:40] <ompaul> Da_SWAT, if your interested please paste the contents of /etc/fstab into paste.ubuntulinux.nl
[11:40] <ompaul> Da_SWAT, then I will guess if I can do anything or not
[11:41] <Antiliis> hi!
[11:41] <[LethAL] > Yello
[11:42] <Antiliis> I have a problem with text-mode console
[11:42] <Madpilot> Da_SWAT: I actually bought this DVR-109 after I switched completely to Ubuntu; it plays & burns fine...
[11:42] <Antiliis> I'm Spanish and I use accented keys, like 
[11:42] <Antiliis> but this characters doesn't appears in the text-mode console
[11:42] <Antiliis> the problem is in Hoary and Breezy, too
[11:42] <Da_SWAT> ompaul, http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2342
[11:42] <Antiliis> anyone can help me?
[11:43] <after8> Antiliis> have you set locales correctly?   sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales
[11:43] <ompaul> Da_SWAT, so where is the hard drive?
[11:43] <Antiliis> yes, perfectly. My locale is es_ES.UTF-8
[11:43] <hansi_xp> newbie question: no dvd sound playback - can somebody help me please?
[11:43] <shawarma> Antiliis: Try dpkg-reconfigure console-data
[11:43] <Da_SWAT> ompaul, I took those parts out, because they work just fine.
[11:44] <Antiliis> shawarma, mmm ok, I try this now
[11:44] <zcat[1] > so you have two cdrom's and a burner?
[11:44] <ompaul> okay - so my next qestion have you got anything inthe burner drive?
[11:44] <ompaul> Da_SWAT,  that we could burn to
[11:45] <Da_SWAT> ompaul, especially for you    http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2343
[11:45] <geez> whatup ompaul
[11:45] <hansi_xp> who knows how to use mplayer?
[11:46] <zcat[1] > do the other two cd drives work normally?
[11:46] <Antiliis> shawarma, thanks for the tip, but it didn't work
[11:46] <ompaul> geez, I am going to insall you on a mainframe with so many acls that you will never ever be able to change you nick again :) other than that its good
[11:46] <Antiliis> shawarma, I tried all the chances, but without success
[11:47] <Antiliis> shawarma, I think the problem is in the keyboard. showcfont shows all the characters correctly (including the accented ones)
[11:47] <bob2> hansi_xp: you run it like any other program
[11:47] <after8> hansi_xp> do you have sound enabled otherwise? does it work elsewhere than mplayer?
[11:47] <hansi_xp> i can't listen to dvd's but i can play video clips
[11:48] <shawarma> Antiliis: Oh, right. 2 secs.
[11:48] <hansi_xp> same deal with vlc player, dvd has no sound
[11:48] <ompaul> Da_SWAT, tell me have you got a disk there we can use to test my brilliant theorys (at least thats what they will be if this works)
[11:48] <shawarma> Antiliis: dpkg-reconfigure console-common
[11:48] <Antiliis> shawarma, mmmm ok, i'm going of it now
[11:49] <Da_SWAT> ompaul, I have a lot of empty cd's here, so I have stuff to burn. But first ubuntu needs to recognize the drive
[11:49] <after8> hansi_xp> but otherwise, sound works fine with other apps?
[11:50] <hansi_xp> yep, xmms i had to use the esound output, so i run mplayer -ao esd and it works for small video clips, just not dvd
[11:50] <hansi_xp> i have to run mplayer dvd://1 -nosound for dvd to play at all
[11:51] <Jacko115> HELP! I am trying to sync my Zire 21 through USB with Gnome pilot, but when i try and sync it for the first time nothing happens. How do I know what port thing I should be selecting?
[11:51] <shawarma> hansi_xp: In hoary, right?
[11:51] <Antiliis> shawarma, sorry, it does nothing :(
[11:51] <ompaul> Da_SWAT, but first nothing - have you an iso you want worked with - not audio as iso
[11:51] <hansi_xp> i think so
[11:51] <ompaul> Da_SWAT, an iso
[11:51] <Antiliis> shawarma, it says: 'Looking for keymap to install: es'
[11:51] <ompaul> Da_SWAT, or will we make one for testing
[11:51] <shawarma> Antiliis: Did you run /etc/init.d/keymap.sh after running dpkg-reconfigure console-data
[11:51] <Da_SWAT> uhm.... I'll have a quick look see
[11:51] <Antiliis> shawarma, I'm going to do now
[11:51] <Da_SWAT> ompaul, I think I have one hanging around
[11:52] <ompaul> Da_SWAT, lets make one
[11:52] <ompaul> Da_SWAT, it is easy
[11:52] <[LethAL] > Could someone please explain why various GTK apps don't look like GTK apps?
[11:52] <Marruk> hello I'm having trouble partitioning my hd
[11:53] <Da_SWAT> ompaul, ROFL. Found a ISO (UBCD) So I'm good to go
[11:53] <zcat[1] > what kind of trouble?
[11:53] <ompaul> Da_SWAT, have you got any files on your desktop?
[11:53] <hansi_xp> mplayer gives me crashed by signal 11, if i try and use the -ao esd stuff
[11:53] <Da_SWAT> ompaul, yeah
[11:53] <Marruk> zcat[1] , i run window's and i dont have enough free space so i tried to resize my ntfs formatted partition but nothin happens!
[11:54] <zcat[1] > ahhh.. that's trouble.
[11:54] <Marruk> and ... i dont wanna delete windows
[11:54] <hansi_xp> Anybody got any idea's why dvd wouldn't play sound?
[11:54] <Marruk> so i dont think i will be able to install on a seperate parition
[11:54] <ompaul> Da_SWAT, okay, start a terminal & do this >> tar  cvf desk.tar Desktop/
[11:55] <Marruk> zcat[1]  i dont think i will do that becuase i dont know if i like linux and i have alot of important stuff on windows
[11:55] <Marruk> anyway
[11:55] <zcat[1] > You could reinstall windows on a smaller partition and then install ubuntu.. but I would not recommend trying to resize an NTFS partition.
[11:55] <[LethAL] > Marruk, Try a live CD
[11:55] <Antiliis> shawarma, I tried this, I run /etc/init.d/keymap.sh after dpkg-reconfigure console-data, but the problem remains
[11:55] <ompaul> hansi_xp, before that gets answered (most likely not by me) do you have other sound running
[11:55] <Antiliis> shawarma, I think this is a problem with Unicode
[11:55] <hansi_xp> ompaul: no
[11:55] <Marruk> [LethAL]  i have tried a liveCD before they run extemly slow
[11:56] <Antiliis> shawarma, (in Debian that problem doesn't exists)
[11:56] <Kalidarn> can i use old backports for hoary on breezy preview?
[11:56] <[LethAL] > Marruk, I know
[11:56] <zcat[1] > Get a second drive, they're cheap!
[11:56] <ompaul> hansi_xp, so it is a sound issue not a sound with DVD issue
[11:56] <marc`> where to install a theme for firefox? .jar fie
[11:56] <Marruk> i dont get it
[11:56] <marc`> faile
[11:56] <johndarkhorse> Kalidarn: backports ARE the same versions as are in breezy
[11:56] <marc`> file*
[11:56] <Kalidarn> ah perfect.
[11:56] <johndarkhorse> Kalidarn: BACKports (from breezy)
[11:56] <hansi_xp> ompau: but xmms works, and mplayer works with video clips with sound good
[11:56] <Marruk> when i installed Mandrivia , it resized and created a new partition
[11:56] <ompaul> hansi_xp, so you have sound running just not with the DVD
[11:57] <hansi_xp> ompaul: yep
[11:57] <Kalidarn> hmm then where would Azureus be stored, it was on hoary im pretty sure. not in the breezy repo though
[11:57] <zcat[1] > Marruk: you were lucky..
[11:57] <Marruk> zcat[1]  i spose i was
[11:57] <bob2> so
[11:57] <johndarkhorse> !info azureus
[11:57] <ompaul> hansi_xp, I was bitten by that before - then all I got to ask is have you all the varios codecs that you need installed?
[11:57] <Kalidarn> installing the package is a pain in the arse ;)
[11:57] <bob2> azureus is not a backport of anything
[11:57] <Kalidarn> !info azureus
[11:57] <bob2> it's a random new package
[11:57] <bob2> I wish they hadn't mixed up the repositories like that
[11:58] <Kalidarn> !info azureus
[11:58] <marc`> anyone?
[11:58] <Da_SWAT> ompaul, done (sorry for the delay)
[11:58] <Kalidarn> lol i could have been told that from http://packages.ubuntu.com/
[11:59] <zcat[1] > not sure what ubuntu will let you do about resizing, apparently it's possible but I would never recommend it, very high chance of messing up windows.
[11:59] <Kalidarn> it was in the old repository though "apparently" and i know for a fact its in the debian one
[11:59] <johndarkhorse> Kalidarn: just d/l it from azureus.sourceforge.net
[11:59] <Marruk> Well thanks anyway guys no ubuntu for me
[12:00] <hansi_xp> ompaul: would you know which one i need for dvd :D
[12:00] <Kalidarn> johndarkhorse: done but it aint working and thats why i attempted this method ;) or attempted to find out why.
[12:00] <ompaul> Da_SWAT, ls -alh desk.tar show a size greater than the size of a CD ?
[12:00] <johndarkhorse> Kalidarn: is it a java problem?
[12:00] <johndarkhorse> Kalidarn: java is evil
[12:01] <Da_SWAT> ompaul, no
[12:01] <ompaul> hansi_xp, I will get the bot to give you a web page with more codecs than you can shake a stick at :)
[12:01] <ompaul> !tell hansi_xp about restricted
[12:01] <Jacko115> what would be the /dev/... thing for this if I used the command lsusb? Bus 001 Device 008: ID 0830:0060 Palm, Inc. Palm Tungsten T / Zire 71
[12:01] <Kalidarn> yes and i have set up java properly symbolic links etc works in firefox ;)
[12:01] <ompaul> Da_SWAT, good we may proceed do this in your terminal >> mkisofs -o my.iso desk.tar
[12:01] <johndarkhorse> Kalidarn: do other java apps work? (not java plugins for browsers)
[12:02] <hansi_xp> omppaul: thanks dude, i'll try that now
[12:02] <Kalidarn> unfortuantly the Azureus team decided to stray away from the standard DHT networks that the other clients were using and make their own, if the tracker uses the "azureus one" i can only connect to it from azureus
[12:02] <ompaul> bob2, any time soon can we declare the 16 hour java ban? ;-)
[12:02] <Kalidarn> johndarkhorse: havnt tried any :) havnt got any installed lol
[12:02] <marc`> what is the equivalent of program files?
[12:02] <marc`> IE: where is firefox
[12:02] <ompaul> ie is ireland
[12:03] <[LethAL] > lmao
[12:03] <[LethAL] > He means that is
[12:03] <Kalidarn> use find :)
[12:03] <Da_SWAT> ompaul, done
[12:03] <Kalidarn> like windows ;) i am a windows n00b too and i wouldn't ask something like that
[12:03] <ompaul> [LethAL] , maybe I was joking
[12:03] <johndarkhorse> !tell marc` about equivalents
[12:03] <[LethAL] > ompaul, I know ;)
[12:03] <marc`> thanks
[12:04] <ompaul> Da_SWAT, just a moment please brb
[12:04] <Kalidarn> is there a request page for stuff to go onto the repository?
[12:06] <Kalidarn> that would seriously rule a package request page for open sourced apps to be added to the repo
[12:06] <Madpilot> Kalidarn: have a look around the Ubuntu wiki, I think it already exists...
[12:06] <nomad1> where can i find on configuring grub
[12:07] <Madpilot> nomad1: try "man grub" at a command prompt...
[12:07] <GatoLoko> somebody has freepascal working in breezy?
[12:08] <ompaul> Da_SWAT, try this NB the use of hdd could be hdc on your machine so if you have nothing in the other drive it will fail in a second and then you can change the hd* setting >>>  cdrecord -pad -eject dev=/dev/hdd my.iso
[12:08] <Seveas> mornin' all :)
[12:08] <bob2> Kalidarn: you can add them yourself
[12:08] <hansi_xp> ompau: i got the vlc dvd to play, i found a esd plugin
[12:08] <bob2> GatoLoko: if it doesn't work, file a  bug
[12:08] <ompaul> Moring Seveas
[12:08] <hansi_xp> ompaul: i got the vlc dvd to play, i found a esd plugin
[12:09] <GatoLoko> bob2 freepascal isn't included in breezy
[12:09] <Seveas> GatoLoko, get the sources from debian and compile them :)
[12:10] <GatoLoko> Seveas freepascal is writen in freepascal
[12:10] <GatoLoko> xD
[12:10] <bob2> yay pascal
[12:10] <Seveas> then get the debs to to bootstrap it...
[12:10] <ompaul> {begin to weep}
[12:10] <GatoLoko> i'm trying to make deb packages of freepascal, but it fails to compile
[12:11] <Da_SWAT> ompaul, I'll try it (yet I'll imediately try it with the hdc because that the 'kaput' drive)
[12:11] <Seveas> all th build-deps installed?
[12:11] <johndarkhorse> Seveas: you gonna be around in a couple of hours?
[12:11] <Seveas> I hope so
[12:11] <GatoLoko> and i think there is a problem with libc (in freepascal or in the breezy libc, i dont know yet)
[12:12] <GatoLoko> i can compile it in hoary and sarge, but in breezy it fails
[12:12] <Da_SWAT> ompaul, it didnt' work
[12:12] <[LethAL] > Anybody know why some of my GTK apps don't look like GTK apps?
[12:12] <bob2> e.g...
[12:12] <[LethAL] > BitTornado, gtkBitchX...
[12:13] <Yohohosfameron> what do they look like?
[12:13] <Juhaz> those wouldn't by any chance be gtk1 apps?
[12:13] <[LethAL] > Gry and ugly
[12:13] <[LethAL] > Grey*
[12:13] <[LethAL] > Well, I've seen BitTornado actually look nice here :S
[12:13] <ompaul> Da_SWAT, sorry change that to dvdrecord
[12:14] <Da_SWAT> ompaul, what's the difference with cdrecord?
[12:14] <nomad1> i dunno wat im doing
[12:14] <nomad1> i really need a help site
[12:14] <Seveas> GatoLoko, might be a gcc4 problem
[12:14] <Juhaz> bittornado is wxpython app, and wx can be compiled to use either gtk1 or gtk2
[12:14] <[LethAL] > Can I force it to use GTK2?
[12:14] <bob2> [LethAL] : bitchx only uses gtk1.2
[12:14] <bob2> ie you lose
[12:14] <bob2> [LethAL] : no
[12:14] <GatoLoko> Seveas freepascal don't use gcc for compilation, and i've set it to gcc-3.4
[12:14] <Da_SWAT> ompaul, and I don't have dvdrecord on my system (or in my universe). I do have k3b
[12:15] <[LethAL] > Fair enough, bitchx isn't a loos to me ;)
[12:15] <[LethAL] > lss*
[12:15] <[LethAL] > loss*
[12:15] <ompaul> Da_SWAT, try to install dvdbackup
[12:15] <Da_SWAT> ompaul, done
[12:16] <GatoLoko> the problem start when freepascal try to use de libc mem management (a program that simpli includes de "cmem" unit fails to compile)
[12:16] <ompaul> Da_SWAT, the nice thing was in universe :)
[12:16] <bob2> that's way way more likely to be a freepascal bug
[12:16] <ompaul> Da_SWAT, now try dvdrecord
[12:16] <Da_SWAT> ompaul, dvdrecord: command not found :P
[12:17] <Da_SWAT> dvdbackup: A tool to rip DVD's from the command line :P
[12:17] <nomad1> please help
[12:17] <nomad1> im crap at this
[12:17] <ompaul> Da_SWAT, ahh bother1
[12:18] <nomad1> i dunno how to configure grub at all
[12:18] <nomad1> i just need a good link
[12:18] <nomad1> cant find anything on the site
[12:18] <thenuke> man grub
[12:18] <nomad1> then wat
[12:18] <ompaul> info grub :)
[12:18] <Seveas> nomad1, what do you want to accomplish?
[12:18] <[LethAL] > !tell nomad1 about grub
[12:18] <thenuke> man grub gives pretty good and simple details for config
[12:18] <bob2> hitting enter every two words is not a valid replacement for actually explaining your problem
[12:18] <nomad1> set the default os to boot to
[12:19] <[LethAL] > nomad1, Open /boot/grub/menu.lst as root
[12:19] <nomad1> ye
[12:19] <nomad1> in it
[12:20] <nomad1> those links dun help lethal
[12:20] <[LethAL] > See the default entry?
[12:20] <nomad1> they dun hav wat im looking for
[12:20] <nomad1> You can specify 'saved' instead of a number. In this case, the default entry
[12:20] <nomad1> is that the one
[12:20] <[LethAL] > Yeah
[12:20] <Da_SWAT> ompaul, what now?
[12:20] <nomad1> ok where do i find the number for wiindows
[12:21] <[LethAL] > Change 0 to 4 if you're on hoary
[12:21] <Seveas> just pick a default and set it in the line that starts with default....
[12:21] <Da_SWAT> Madpilot, does your Pioneer drive have it's own IDE channel or something?
[12:21] <nomad1> im using ubuntu 5.10 preview release
[12:22] <Seveas> nomad1, then use the gui...
[12:22] <Madpilot> Da_SWAT: It's Master on an IDE cable with my ordinary CD-ROM drive
[12:22] <[LethAL] > I think it's 5 or 6... set it to saved and boot into windows
[12:22] <zcat[1] > so it's /dev/hdc then..
[12:22] <Da_SWAT> Madpilot, OK. The same is done here. Just checking
[12:22] <Seveas> nomad1, system -> administration -> boot
[12:22] <ompaul> Da_SWAT, is that any use?  >> apt-cache show dvdrtools
[12:22] <ompaul> Replaces: dvdrecord
[12:23] <Da_SWAT> ompaul, package not found
[12:23] <Madpilot> Da_SWAT: I can't remember if the drive jumpers are set to Master/Slave, or if they're both on Cable-Select (they both work, though)
[12:23] <nomad1> OH SWEET thx a lot
[12:23] <nomad1> legends
[12:23] <[LethAL] > lol
[12:23] <zcat[1] > Madpilot: can you paste the output of dmesg ?
[12:23] <nomad1> do i need to get mp3 plugin for breezy
[12:23] <ompaul> Da_SWAT, its in multiverse
[12:24] <zcat[1] > sorry, Da_SWAT I mean..
[12:24] <Da_SWAT> I have universe I think. OK, I'll have to add some things
[12:24] <Madpilot> zcat[1] : the whole load of it?
[12:24] <Seveas> nomad1, only if you did not yet install it in hoary before you upgraded
[12:24] <Madpilot> nomad1: you'll need to install mp3 codecs
[12:24] <nomad1> i didnt upgrade lol
[12:24] <nomad1> i delete fedora
[12:24] <Madpilot> !tell nomad1 about mp3
[12:24] <zcat[1] > the part that describes /dev/hdc at least
[12:25] <zcat[1] > or /dev/hdd, whever
[12:25] <P-NuT> Hi all
[12:25] <ompaul> nomad1, that is a real upgrade then :)
[12:25] <Seveas> nomad1, i'd call that an upgrade ;)
[12:25] <kelmo_lap> hey P-NuT ; )
[12:25] <P-NuT> Hey
[12:25] <nomad1> i kno lol
[12:25] <nomad1> messy fedora
[12:25] <[LethAL] > FC isn't that bad...
[12:25] <nomad1> too confusing
[12:25] <P-NuT> I have an Atheros Wireless nic and am wanting madwifi to work with it,
[12:25] <zcat[1] > hdd: LITE-ON COMBO SOHC-5236K, ATAPI CD/DVD-ROM drive
[12:25] <ompaul> [LethAL] , its worse
[12:25] <zcat[1] > You have a line line that somewhere?
[12:25] <nomad1> man its crammed with stuff
[12:26] <Seveas> P-NuT, that should work out of the box
[12:26] <nomad1> its amazing it never crashed with me
[12:26] <[LethAL] > Well, my wireless adapter doesn't crash it.
[12:26] <P-NuT> now I went to the madwifi chatroom and they said that the version that ships with 5.04 is ancient
[12:26] <P-NuT> it doesnt
[12:26] <P-NuT> work
[12:26] <P-NuT> out of the box
[12:26] <Da_SWAT> zcat[1] , my dmesg? |---> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2344
[12:26] <P-NuT> dmesg gives me errors
[12:27] <P-NuT> Sevas, this is what dmesg says.
[12:27] <P-NuT> ath_hal: module license 'Proprietary' taints kernel.
[12:27] <P-NuT> ath_hal: 0.9.12.14 (AR5210, AR5211, AR5212)
[12:27] <Seveas> P-NuT, put the errors on the pastebin
[12:27] <Seveas> that's not an error :)
[12:27] <P-NuT> its only 2 lines though
[12:28] <P-NuT> should I dump my whole dmesg there?
[12:28] <nomad1> if only microsoft allows windows media on linux
[12:28] <Seveas> P-NuT, only if it's relevant
[12:28] <Seveas> nomad1, mplayer+w32codecs plays windows media just fine
[12:28] <Madpilot> nomad1: you can get codecs for wmv, if that's what you mean...
[12:28] <kelmo_lap> hi, would anyone like to comment on the cross-compatabilty between module-source packages of debian and ubuntu, for example madwifi
[12:28] <zcat[1] > hdd: SAMSUNG CDRW/DVD SM-348B, ATAPI CD/DVD-ROM drive  <- that's the burner you're trying to use, or the other cd drive?
[12:28] <Seveas> P-NuT, what is the real error? no /dev/ath0 ?
[12:28] <Seveas> well, that should not exist
[12:29] <Seveas> I mean: no ath0 in ifconfig -a?
[12:29] <Seveas> kelmo_lap, do not use debian packages for that.
[12:29] <P-NuT> umm..
[12:29] <kelmo_lap> Seveas: i have developed madwifi-source for debian
[12:30] <nomad1> u kno how much ive struggled with mplayer
[12:30] <P-NuT> when i ttype iwconfig theres no ath0
[12:30] <P-NuT> yeah
[12:30] <kelmo_lap> Seveas: and am also interested in offering up-to-date packages for ubuntu users, such as P-Nut
[12:30] <Seveas> kelmo_lap, nice, maybe you can help P-NuT then :)
[12:30] <nomad1> i kept getting the command line version
[12:30] <Da_SWAT> zcat[1] , could you please use my name in the lines that are ment for me. It's a bit too much IRC traffic. The samsung is my working one. hdc is my pioneer which isn't even recognized
[12:30] <Seveas> kelmo_lap, as a general rule it is advised not to use packages from debian when ubuntu offers packages too
[12:30] <kelmo_lap> yeah, of course
[12:30] <zcat[1] > Da_SWAT: ahh, ok.. now I understand.
[12:30] <johndarkhorse> later all
[12:30] <kelmo_lap> Seveas: the madwifi in ubuntu seems to be quite ancient
[12:31] <P-NuT> So......
[12:31] <Tomcat_> kelmo_lap: Shouldn't be too difficult to get over... I doubt it's 100% compatible though.
[12:31] <Seveas> but offering up-to-date atheros would rock, contact the MOTU/backports team
[12:31] <Madpilot> nomad1: use Totem, it plays everything - with the right codecs installed - and is installed by default in Ubuntu...
[12:31] <er4z0r> Seveas: is the repository for freenx reachable again?
[12:31] <Seveas> er4z0r, yes
[12:31] <Da_SWAT> ompaul, I'm here. dvdrecord is installed
[12:31] <Seveas> deb http://seveas.ubuntulinux.nl/ ubuntu-seveas freenx
[12:31] <Seveas> (for breezy only)
[12:31] <kelmo_lap> Tomcat_: ok, any chance you may know some of the small differences?
[12:31] <nomad1> well first i want to mount my ntfs partitions
[12:31] <Tomcat_> kelmo_lap: No, I'm sorry... haven't done any packaging for Ubuntu.
[12:32] <Da_SWAT> ompaul, dvdrecord. No such file or directory. No read access for 'dev/dev/hdc'.
[12:32] <Seveas> nomad1, system -> administration -> disks
[12:32] <Mez> Seveas - ubuntu-backports@lists.ubuntu.com
[12:32] <Seveas> Mez, merci beaucoup
[12:32] <P-NuT> So umm.. Should I just install breezy or what?
[12:32] <Seveas> kelmo_lap, did yoy get that?
[12:32] <Da_SWAT> zcat[1] , you can also have a look at my ubuntuforums-thread..  |--->  http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=34516&page=3
[12:32] <Mez> Seveas : np :P I get a ding everytime someone mentiones backports
[12:32] <Seveas> hehe
[12:32] <kelmo_lap> Seveas: a repo?
[12:32] <Seveas> I'll abuse that :)
[12:33] <nomad1> i cant seem to enable access to my partitions
[12:33] <Seveas> kelmo_lap, no, what Mez said
[12:33] <Mez> Seveas, not If I'm not online you wont
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[12:33] <ompaul> Da_SWAT, now do dvdrecord (I am off to make a coffee back in a couple of mins)
[12:33] <Da_SWAT> ompaul, dvdrecord. No such file or directory. No read access for 'dev/dev/hdc'.
[12:33] !lilo:*! Services will be restarted in a moment. Apologies for any inconvenience.
[12:33] <Seveas> If you want up-to-date packages to be included in ubuntu backports (which would rock) send them a message
[12:33] <Da_SWAT> ompaul, and the hdc is the one that isn't recognized
[12:34] <kelmo_lap> Seveas: ok, humor me, what is ubuntu-backports goal/directive?
[12:34] <Mez> kelmo: how do you mean?
[12:34] <Seveas> exactly what you want, provide more up-to-date packages in a stable release (just like any backport)
[12:34] <kelmo_lap> Seveas: like providing updated packages to legacy releases?
[12:35] <Seveas> yup
[12:35] <Da_SWAT> ompaul, when will you be back from your coffee break? :D
[12:35] <Mez> kelmo_lap, that's exactly what it is :d
[12:35] <BockBilbo> is it possible to get previous cvs versions of a program using cvs?
[12:35] <Seveas> Da_SWAT, when he runs out of coffee ;)
[12:35] <Da_SWAT> zcat[1] , did you find anything usefull or maybe solutions in my thread etc. ?
[12:35] <Da_SWAT> Seveas, LOL
[12:36] <kelmo_lap> Mez: i've never used ubuntu, but would like to provide some basic support with my madiwifi-source package, that could be used with make-kpkg
[12:36] <kelmo_lap> i'm not really interested in backporting per-se
[12:37] <P-NuT> Kelmo, was I just talking to you about this in #madwifi?
[12:37] <kelmo_lap> P-NuT: yes
[12:37] <nomad1> how do i login as root
[12:37] <Seveas> kelmo_lap, if your more recent debian package works on Ubuntu it's a backport :)
[12:37] <nomad1> i dun remember making such settings during ubuntu setup
[12:37] <Seveas> nomad1, not
[12:37] <Seveas> and you should not need it
[12:37] <Belutz> !tell nomad1 about rootsudo
[12:38] <kelmo_lap> Seveas: point taken ; )
[12:38] <kelmo_lap> now i just need some testers ; )
[12:38] <P-NuT> dude I'm here!
[12:38] <P-NuT> if it works I'll use it!
[12:38] <Seveas> I'll test (Ubuntu breezy + atheros card here)
[12:38] <[LethAL] > lol
[12:38] <P-NuT> I'll test hary
[12:38] <[LethAL] > Does it work with rt2570-based cards?
[12:38] <kelmo_lap> http://kanotix.com/files/debian/pool/m/madwifi/
[12:38] <nomad1> how do u highlight the text u send to me
[12:39] <kelmo_lap> [LethAL] : i do a rt2570 package too
[12:39] <Seveas> nomad1, that's a secret :)
[12:39] <Belutz> i'll test it too, hoary using ipw2200
[12:39] <[LethAL] > kelmo_lap, And you don't get any crashes when you enable it? :S
[12:39] <kelmo_lap> Belutz: hehe, i don't do ipw200
[12:39] <nomad1> lol
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[12:39] <Belutz> kelmo_lap: ic, nvm then :D
[12:39] <kelmo_lap> [LethAL] : are you on smp kernel?
[12:39] <[LethAL] > kelmo_lap, one mo, but I severly doubt it
[12:40] <Seveas> kelmo_lap, is it a standard mosule-assistant thing?
[12:40] <P-NuT> So, why does madwifi wirk for everyone else and not me? Revision of the card>
[12:40] <P-NuT> ?
[12:40] <kelmo_lap> Seveas: mod-ass or make-kpkg, whatever tickles your fancy
[12:40] <[LethAL] > P-NuT, Hehe... I had a similar problem with my ADSL modem ages ago
[12:40] <kelmo_lap> P-NuT: the old hal version you currently have probably does not support your card
[12:40] <nomad1> u kno in system->administration->disk manager
[12:40] <P-NuT> oh
[12:40] <P-NuT> is this fixed in breezy?
[12:40] <nomad1> i set the access path for a partition
[12:41] <kelmo_lap> P-NuT: hence the need to update the driver +> new hal
[12:41] <nomad1> and then press enable
[12:41] <nomad1> but nuthing happens
[12:41] <[LethAL] > kelmo_lap, No, no smp, just 386
[12:41] <Seveas> GatoLoko, still there?
[12:41] <GatoLoko> Seveas here i am
[12:41] <kelmo_lap> [LethAL] : well, rt2570 is quite good here, i am waiting for rt2x00 to improve, then you will have excellent support
[12:42] <[LethAL] > Fair dos
[12:42] <[LethAL] > I'lll try downloading a new snapshot
[12:42] <Seveas> GatoLoko, I just tried to build fpc on breezy, works like a charm
[12:42] <nomad1> any tips
[12:43] <GatoLoko> argh!
[12:43] <ompaul> Da_SWAT,  anytime I feel like it :-) anyway I'm back now
[12:43] <ompaul> Da_SWAT, did u do that with dvdrecord ?
[12:44] <Da_SWAT> yes
[12:44] <Seveas> GatoLoko, if you want the debs: deb http://seveas.ubuntulinux.nl/ ubuntu-seveas freepascal
[12:44] <Da_SWAT> ompaul, yes
[12:44] <ompaul> Da_SWAT, and
[12:44] <[LethAL] > kelmo_lap, Where's the rt2570 package you do?
[12:44] <[LethAL] > this*
[12:44] <kelmo_lap> http://kanotix.com/files/debian/pool/r/rt2570/
[12:44] <GatoLoko> Seveas i will kiss you if that works, but somebody tell me that is a problem with MY libs
[12:44] <Da_SWAT> ompaul, dvdrecord. No such file or directory. No read access for 'dev/dev/hdc'.
[12:44] <zcat[1] > Da_SWAT: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-38527.html suggest trying hdc=noprobe hdd=noprobe.
[12:45] <larsrohdin> im having troubles playing dvd:s on mplayer. It gives the error 'Mplayer interupted by signal 11 in module decode:audio' how can I fix it?
[12:45] <ompaul> Da_SWAT, come on that was not the command
[12:45] <kelmo_lap> [LethAL] : obviously i can't support ubuntu users yet, that why i'm looking for testers, so give it your best shot
[12:45] <Da_SWAT> that was the output of the command for dvdrecord
[12:45] <Da_SWAT> ompaul, that was the output of the command for dvdrecord
[12:45] <Seveas> larsrohdin, signal 11 is a segfaulf -- you found an mplayer bug
[12:45] <ompaul> Da_SWAT, this  >>>  dvdrecord -pad -eject dev=/dev/hdd my.iso    <<   note the equals  just in case
[12:46] <[LethAL] > kelmo_lap, Yes, but that package on that pacge only mentioned atheros cards
[12:46] <Da_SWAT> zcat[1] , I'll try it (I'm desperate :D)
[12:46] <kelmo_lap> [LethAL] : http://kanotix.com/files/debian/pool/r/rt2570/
[12:46] <[LethAL] > ty
[12:46] <kelmo_lap> no atheros support there
[12:46] <zcat[1] > ompaul: I thought we established that the missing drive was definately /dev/hdc (master secondary)
[12:47] <aftertaf> lu thoreauputic :) arrrrrrr
[12:47] <larsrohdin> Seveas, so does that mean there's nothing I can do?
[12:47] <kelmo_lap> lots of australian ubuntu users
[12:47] <kelmo_lap> good to see
[12:47] <ompaul> zcat[1] , this is true I was pointing to the original example :) with a minor edit for Da_SWAT to use - however if Da_SWAT was to up arrow we could see the command to be sure
[12:47] <Da_SWAT> ompaul, damn, then I did something wrong. Anyway, my hdc device (pioneer) gives an error. Cannot open /dev/hdc. No such file/direcotry
[12:47] <Proof> Can somone help me out?
[12:48] <thoreauputic> aftertaf: quite a welcome was that - especially combined with the beep from my client ;)
[12:48] <[LethAL] > !helpme
[12:48] <ubotu> If you don't actually ask a question, we can not actually help you.
[12:48] <Proof> !helpme
[12:48] <Belutz> !tell Proof about ask
[12:48] <aftertaf> thoreauputic> you got arrrrr in beep words?
[12:48] <larsrohdin> what other players are there? for playing dvd:s?
[12:48] <ompaul> Da_SWAT, so what is confusing the living ** out of me is what is that /dev/hdc entry in your fstab
[12:48] <Belutz> ompaul: hai :)
[12:49] <ompaul> Belutz, good morning/evening
[12:49] <Belutz> ompaul: evening in here :)
[12:49] <Belutz> ompaul: 17:49
[12:49] <Turicas> hello all..i want to execute an command when system initializes (AFTER ppp connects - in my adsl provider). how i can do it?
[12:50] <zcat[1] > ompaul: yeah, I think there's a kernel bug.. rolling back to 2.6.8 might fix the problem until a better patch comes along..
[12:50] <bob2> Turicas: what's the command?
[12:50] <[LethAL] > kelmo_lap, You nearby?
[12:50] <aftertaf> Turicas> maybe add sth to ifup.d script?
[12:50] <kelmo_lap> [LethAL] : sup
[12:50] <Da_SWAT> ompaul, I think I made that manually once or something. It SHOULD work this way, yet it doesn't. I've tried countless number of things.... none were succesfull
[12:50] <[LethAL] > I installed it and module-assistant
[12:50] <[LethAL] > Now what?
[12:50] <ompaul> zcat[1] , yuk - I hate backwards :)
[12:50] <Turicas> aftertaf, what?? excuse me, but i'm newbie on linux :(
[12:50] <thoreauputic> aftertaf: arrrrrrrrr! She be breakin up, matey! Me beeps be warnin' me of yer boardin' party!
[12:50] <zcat[1] > the /dev/hdc entry suggest that it was working once ( or added manually : )
[12:50] <Proof> I've just started ubuntu, setup was completed n' all but.. all i see is a dos window with postfix, how do i skip this process or go straight to desktop?
[12:51] <ompaul> Da_SWAT, have you tried breezy or hoary, or both?
[12:51] <kelmo_lap> [LethAL] : module-assistant is really for when using a native repository
[12:51] <aftertaf> loool thoreauputic,  Well, me hearties, lets see what crawled out of the bung hole
[12:51] <[LethAL] > kelmo_lap, I got it from the ubuntu repos, don't worry
[12:51] <kelmo_lap> [LethAL] : i would suggest using make-kpkg, as i cannot supply an ubuntu compat. repository
[12:51] <Da_SWAT> ompaul, only hoary. I'll try breezy when it's gold :P
[12:51] <Seveas> kelmo_lap, build failed :|
[12:51] <kelmo_lap> Seveas: any specific error?
[12:52] <Da_SWAT> zcat[1] , it never worked :(
[12:52] <Seveas> do you use gcc-3.4 explicitely in your makefiles?
[12:52] <kelmo_lap> no
[12:52] <nomad1> i cant use system -> administration -> disks      utility
[12:52] <thoreauputic> aftertaf: do *real* pirates say "bung hole" ? ;)
[12:52] <Seveas> then that's the proble
[12:52] <Seveas> breezy uses gcc 4 by default :)
[12:52] <kelmo_lap> so do i
[12:52] <nomad1> when i try to enable acess to a partition nuthing happens
[12:53] <Seveas> the ubuntu kernels are compiled with 3.4 though
[12:53] <kelmo_lap> ahh
[12:53] <kelmo_lap> thats a nightmare to support . . .
[12:53] <zcat[1] > Da_SWAT: ahh, ok.. it's kinda late here so I'm probably not helping much. My brain has gone to sleep. I'll stop typing when my fingers fall asleep..
[12:53] <Whistler> is it possible to install rox via apt-get?
[12:53] <nomad1> any tips plz
[12:53] <thoreauputic> Whistler: yes
[12:53] <kelmo_lap> Seveas: how about when you export CC ?
[12:53] <deFrysk> !rox
[12:53] <ubotu> deFrysk: No idea
[12:53] <Seveas> Whistler, apt-get install rox-filer
[12:53] <thoreauputic> Whistler: rox-filer
[12:53] <Da_SWAT> zcat[1] , late is only a state of mind :D
[12:53] <deFrysk> hmz
[12:54] <bob2> nomad1: "enable access"?
[12:54] <CaiN_SA> im trying to delete a user and userdel tells me : user cain is currently logged in ?
[12:54] <nomad1> u set an access path
[12:54] <bob2> CaiN_SA: so log them out
[12:54] <zcat[1] > "sleep is for the weak!" :-)
[12:54] <Seveas> kelmo_lap, after installing gcc3.4 build succeeded :)
[12:54] <nomad1> then there is a button called enable
[12:54] <kelmo_lap> cool
[12:54] <CaiN_SA> bob2, they are not logged in
[12:54] <mrp_> Im new to the whole ubunto system, and all that is related, just installed and ran into a quite silly problem, i did not get the possibillity to set a password for the user 'root' i.e cant change nor configure nothing, is there a default password for root, which i will run into while RTFM? :P
[12:54] <bob2> nomad1: a button? where?
[12:54] <nomad1> i press it and nuthing happens
[12:54] <bob2> mrp_: wiki.ubunut.com/RootSudo
[12:54] <CaiN_SA> bob2, i reboot and try and then it tells me that
[12:54] <ompaul> Da_SWAT, zcat[1]  that has physical implications - that needs to be taken to #offtopic :)
[12:54] <kelmo_lap> Seveas: are you using make-kpkg?
[12:54] <Da_SWAT> ompaul, the thing that is scaring me is that my drive works perfectly under winblows :(
[12:54] <bob2> mrp_: the installer did point this out to you,and it's in the FAQ
[12:54] <Seveas> I'm about to install it so if my connection drops and I don't come back, things went wrong ;)
[12:54] <Turicas> i want to execute an command when system initializes (AFTER ppp connects - in my adsl provider). how i can do it?
[12:54] <bob2> CaiN_SA: who are you logged in as?
[12:55] <Seveas> kelmo_lap, no, module-assistant
[12:55] <nomad1> so u go system -> administration -> disks
[12:55] <ompaul> Da_SWAT, does not scare me
[12:55] <Da_SWAT> ompaul, LOL
[12:55] <CaiN_SA> bob2, root
[12:55] <nomad1> then u go to paritions tab
[12:55] <bob2> Turicas: and the command is...?
[12:55] <thoreauputic> CaiN_SA: are you trying to delete yourself? *grin*
[12:55] <nomad1> the laast option is status
[12:55] <kelmo_lap> Seveas: how do you use mod-add without having the source repo in your sources.list?
[12:55] <kelmo_lap> mod-ass*
[12:55] <Turicas> bob2, curl -o ~/logs http://...
[12:55] <mrp_> ah, thanks, maybe not so alert while installing then
[12:55] <CaiN_SA> thoreauputic, no its in a chroot env
[12:55] <ompaul> Da_SWAT, what does ls -l /dev/hdc tell you?
[12:55] <nomad1> and it says inaccessible and next to it there is a couple of buttons
[12:55] <Seveas> I installed your .deb before running module-assistant
[12:55] <kelmo_lap> ahh
[12:55] <nomad1> one of which is enable
[12:55] <kelmo_lap> of course
[12:55] <bob2> Turicas: add it as a if-up.d script, man 5 interfaces
[12:55] <nomad1> i press it and nuthing happens
[12:55] <Da_SWAT> ompaul, no such file or directory
[12:56] <mrp_> ok, cheers
[12:56] <Turicas> bob2, i'll test now..tkz :)
[12:56] <GatoLoko> Seveas i've installed your packages and still failing, i think is a problems with the libs, but a dist-upgrade don't change anything :(, may be i must reinstall
[12:56] <kelmo_lap> [LethAL] : how are you going over there?
[12:56] <Whistler> how do i update without using  update manager?
[12:56] <bob2> nomad1: what do you expect it to do?
[12:56] <[LethAL] > I just ran module-assistant
[12:56] <Whistler> can i update using bash?
[12:56] <bob2> Whistler: you mean the terminal? of course.
[12:56] <nomad1> to mount the partition so i can access its contents
[12:56] <bob2> Whistler: use aptitude or apt
[12:56] <ompaul> Da_SWAT, that might have lot to do with your problems
[12:56] <Proof> Can somone help please?
[12:56] <Turicas> bob2, the file is /etc/ifup.d ?
[12:56] <Belutz> wew the channel is busy
[12:56] <Whistler> bob2 what command?
[12:56] <bob2> Turicas: no, /etc/network/
[12:57] <thoreauputic> Whistler: sudo apt-get upgrade
[12:57] <bob2> Whistler: sudo aptitude...
[12:57] <Da_SWAT> ompaul, you mean the fact that my drive isn't recognized by Ubuntu? (what I have been saying all along)
[12:57] <marc`> GAIM dings when someone signs in, can i make it popup who signed in like MSN/Yahoo
[12:57] <ompaul> no the fact that you had fstab settings and there was no thing there for it
[12:57] <ompaul> no device
[12:58] <[LethAL] > kelmo_lap, just getting headers now
[12:58] <Turicas> bob2, tkz =D
[12:58] <Jurgeni> marc`: install guifications
[12:59] <Seveas> kelmo_lap, how to make sure *your* ath_pci.ko (etc) are loaded instead of the ubuntu ones?
[01:00] <kelmo_lap> Seveas: easy, remove the ubuntu ones first ; )
[01:00] <malv> Ubuntu is great. I am so used to fiddling with stuff at night with other linux distro's, but with Ubuntu, everything is in it's place.
[01:00] <Seveas> *g*
[01:00] <Seveas> I'll move them to a backup location :)
[01:00] <kelmo_lap> yep
[01:00] <aftertaf> malv:  :) yeah
[01:00] <Seveas> ok, modprobe -r / modprobe time
[01:01] <Seveas> brb (I hope)
[01:01] <aftertaf> !info java-package
[01:01] <ubotu> java-package: (utility for building Java(TM) 2 related Debian packages), section multiverse/misc, is optional. Version: 0.23 (hoary), Packaged size: 18 kB, Installed size: 264 kB
[01:02] <nomad1> wats a good program i can use to sync my pda
[01:03] <aftertaf> nomad1:  kde or gnome? i use kpilot, worked out of the box
[01:03] <nomad1> gnome plz
[01:03] <nomad1> i got a dell axim x50
[01:03] <nomad1> does kpilot work in gnome
[01:04] <Turicas> bob2, it doesnt worked :/
[01:04] <marc`> finally got mp3 working..
[01:04] <bob2> Turicas: that's a pretty vaue statement
[01:04] <Turicas> bob2, i put curl -o ~/FILE http://www.somesite.com/ and ~/FILE doesnt exist.. ;~
[01:04] <Turicas> bob2, ?
[01:04] <nomad1> aftertaf: any tips
[01:05] <aftertaf> nomad1:  probably yeah... but there is a gnome version (ish) too i think. gpilot
[01:05] <nomad1> does it work for pocket pc or just palm
[01:05] <aftertaf> nomad1:  not the same thing.....
[01:05] <aftertaf> palm != pcket pc.
[01:06] <aftertaf> mine is a palm and works fine with kpilot
[01:06] <Turicas> bob2, what happened?
[01:08] <Da_SWAT> ompaul, what you would recommend I do now?
[01:08] <ompaul> Da_SWAT, try a live CD of breezy badger to see if it can see the CD
[01:09] <Da_SWAT> so the hdc=noprobe wouldn't do any good for me
[01:09] <Da_SWAT> ?
[01:10] <bob2> Turicas: er
[01:10] <bob2> Turicas: you mean you made a script that does that, right?
[01:10] <bob2> and made it executable?
[01:10] <Turicas> bob2, yeh..
[01:10] <Turicas> bob2, i did cd /etc/network/if-up.d/; ./my_script and it executed successfully
[01:11] <[LethAL] > kelmo_lap, I'm in networking. If I automagically disappear, you'll know why.
[01:12] <Da_SWAT> ompaul, well, thanks for your time and help. I'll try the live CD and hope for better days
[01:12] <kelmo_lap> [LethAL] : heh, good luck
[01:12] <Turicas> bob2, but this script don't executes when system starts
[01:13] <ompaul> Da_SWAT, just check that both drives are set to master and slave and not cs
[01:14] <Da_SWAT> ompaul, done... twice or thrice or something
[01:15] <ompaul> k
[01:15] <ompaul> da
[01:15] <bob2> Turicas: if you replace it with a "touch /tmp/blahblah", does it work?
[01:15] <ompaul> Da_SWAT, one of the drives is faulty - is it faulty under windows also?
[01:16] <Turicas> bob2, replace what?
[01:16] <Da_SWAT> ompaul, nope. I burn my DVD's (winblows) with the faulty drive (ubuntu)
[01:16] <bob2> Turicas: your script
[01:16] <ompaul> Da_SWAT, are both working in windows was my question
[01:17] <Da_SWAT> nomad, jpilot is the one of my choice :)
[01:17] <Whistler> how do i know what kind of ram is in my pc?
[01:17] <ompaul> Da_SWAT, sorry bad way of phrasing it
[01:17] <Da_SWAT> ompaul, yes. In windows everything works fine :)
[01:17] <Turicas> bob2, i'll try..tkz
[01:19] <kelmo_lap> Seveas: i assume you had issues
[01:19] <kelmo_lap> yeah?
[01:19] <Seveas> kelmo_lap, yeah, brain issues :)
[01:19] <kelmo_lap> hehe
[01:19] <kelmo_lap> Seveas: so the new snapshot is working for you then
[01:19] <Seveas> apparently modprobe -r ath_* wlan_* and then modprobing them again (your version or mine) fucks up things
[01:20] <Seveas> so i rebooted and your modules work fine
[01:20] <kelmo_lap> Seveas: only trick would be to install gcc-3.4 before hand?
[01:20] <Seveas> and linux-headers-$(uname -r)
[01:20] <kelmo_lap> Seveas: and remove existing modules of course
[01:20] <kelmo_lap> ok, and linux-headers*
[01:20] <kelmo_lap> excellent
[01:20] <kelmo_lap> Seveas: thank you very much for testing that out man
[01:21] <Seveas> Isn't there a way to make /lib/modules/kernel version/drivers/net.. (your modules) be preferred over /lib/modules/kernel version/madwifi (ubuntu modules)?
[01:21] <kelmo_lap> hmm, not easily
[01:21] <Seveas> ok
[01:22] <Seveas> I'll write a howto on the wiki and will provide -386 -686 and -k7 packages shortly in my repo :)
[01:22] <kelmo_lap> Seveas: i'm really trying to figure out howto tweak modutils so that three rate modules can be installed, when only one is used
[01:22] <kelmo_lap> Seveas: awesome, that would be fantastic
[01:22] <Seveas> how often fo you update your sources?
[01:23] <Seveas> or packages?
[01:23] <Seveas> (which means: how often do I have to rebuild the modules :))
[01:23] <kelmo_lap> Seveas: i update quite often, but can contact you to notify of the more important upgrades
[01:23] <Seveas> that would rock
[01:23] <kelmo_lap> Seveas: i have a swag of other module packages if you are interested
[01:24] <Seveas> you have a list somewhere?
[01:25] <kelmo_lap> Seveas: no, but maybe i should grab your mail adress, then you can contatc me directly, if you wish to do so of course
[01:25] <kelmo_lap> contact*
[01:25] <Seveas> kelmo_lap, dennis [at]  kaarsemaker.net
[01:25] <kelmo_lap> Seveas: i hack for kanotix, anything that is not in debian, or old, that we want kernel support for is mostly my domain
[01:27] <Seveas> nice
[01:27] <reiki> quick note to Seveas, nalioth, ompaul, cafuego and the many folks who spend a great deal of time in here helping us be successful with Ubuntu... many many years ago I *did* what you're doing on a channel in Efnet for a new OS called Windows95. It was sometimes a thankless job and took an incredible amount of time. Just wanted to say "thank you" for all the help. It is much appreciated. .... gotta get ready for work now...
[01:27] <marc`> is if possible to get ubuntu recognising my media keys on my keyboard?
[01:27] <CaiN_SA> hmmmm so nobody helped me , gr8
[01:27] <kelmo_lap> marc`: acerhk?
[01:27] <Seveas> do you take stuff from ubuntu too? I know for instance that during the last days of hoary they were really fast with nvidia updates
[01:27] <ompaul> reiki, enjoy :)
[01:27] <nalioth> reiki: be safe today
[01:27] <kelmo_lap> marc`: ah, mm keyborad, not laptop . . .
[01:27] <Seveas> reiki, thanks!
[01:28] <aftertaf> reiki:  Hon Sha Ze Cho Nien dude
[01:28] <reiki> aftertaf: Dai Ko Myo
[01:28] <kelmo_lap> Seveas: to be honest, i have hardly looked at ubuntu, i should really get more information about their packaging practisices and repositories
[01:28] <kelmo_lap> practices*
[01:29] <Seveas> kelmo_lap, hanging out at #ubuntu-kernel (very low traffic) may be useful :)
[01:29] <ompaul> what is the command to get seconds since the epoch?
[01:29] <Seveas> date
[01:29] <Seveas> with some arguments
[01:29] <LethAL-Rocks> kelmo_lap, Same problem I had with FC4, can talk to router but not the world
[01:29] <Seveas> date +%s
[01:29] <marc`> so no idea kelmo_lap ?
[01:30] <Seveas> 1127129402
[01:30] <ompaul> Seveas,  thanks, I was just about to look under a rock for my brain but you saved me :)
[01:30] <marc`> its a microsoft media keyboard
[01:30] <aftertaf> argh... that word!! ;)
[01:30] <thoreauputic> marc`: language! please!
[01:30] <Seveas> guys...
[01:30] <LethAL-Rocks> Which one aftertaf, brain or microsoft?
[01:30] <kelmo_lap> marc`: i would use xev to get keycodes, then map them with xmodmap
[01:30] <kelmo_lap> hehe
[01:31] <kelmo_lap> [LethAL]  ?
[01:31] <[LethAL] > Ya?
[01:31] <[LethAL] > I can't ping my default gateway, but my router can. Any ideas?
[01:32] <bob2> CaiN_SA: remember everyone in here is a volunteer
[01:32] <kelmo_lap> [LethAL] : yeah
[01:32] <[LethAL] > kelmo_lap, Go on then
[01:32] <aftertaf> CaiN_SA:  wazzup?
[01:32] <kelmo_lap> [LethAL] : prey that the new rt2x00 module gets good fast, because the legacy driver is no longer getting any (if at all) attention
[01:33] <hansi_xp> whaza
[01:33] <kelmo_lap> [LethAL] : sorry, i can't really vouch for that driver, its still got heaps of hidoeus code innit
[01:33] <[LethAL] > I have the 2570-cvs-daily tar, maybe I should try that?
[01:33] <[LethAL] > Or get the 2x00 daily one?
[01:33] <kelmo_lap> [LethAL] : has not changed since my snapshot,
[01:34] <[LethAL] > ah
[01:34] <kelmo_lap> [LethAL] : the rt2x00 is _very_ experimental
[01:34] <kelmo_lap> don't expect it to work at all yet
[01:34] <hansi_xp> has anybody had any problems with mplayer and dvd and sound?
[01:34] <[LethAL] > Oh
[01:35] <MarzBar> anyone got an ATI Radeon 9550 to work with ubuntu properly? or using dual monitors? At the moment al i can get is clonedd view on the monitors
[01:35] <MarzBar> :S
[01:35] <kelmo_lap> [LethAL] : but thanks for testing out man
[01:35] <[LethAL] > Sure
[01:35] <kelmo_lap> [LethAL] : will come back t find you if the situation gets brighter ; )
[01:36] <[LethAL] > :)
[01:36] <[LethAL] > It's a shame the autoinstall feature doesn't work on Linux :P
[01:36] <kelmo_lap> bloody aussies
[01:36] <P-NuT> Hi all, I am happy to report that breazy has fixed my problem.
[01:36] <P-NuT> :-)
[01:36] <P-NuT> hey
[01:36] <P-NuT> I'm an aussie
[01:37] <[LethAL] > I think that's why he said it
[01:37] <CaiN_SA> aftertaf, i want to delete a user and it doesnt want to delete it
[01:37] <CaiN_SA> its in a chroot
[01:37] <kelmo_lap> P-NuT: can you come over to #madwifi so i can interigate you about the madwifi/hel version in breezy
[01:37] <hansi_xp> has anybody had success playing dvd with mplayer?
[01:37] <Seveas> kelmo_lap, if you want I can give you shell access to a breezy machine
[01:37] <hansi_xp> is there anybody out there? hehe
[01:38] <fadumpt> how do I free up /dev/dsp?
[01:38] <fadumpt> is there a lock file I can delete?
[01:38] <aftertaf> CaiN_SA:  did you synch the /etc/passwd et al? or add new users from within the chroot?
[01:38] <kelmo_lap> Seveas: thats cool, i've had enough ubuntu'ing for the night, but maybe i'll come back and hit you up for it in the future ; )
[01:38] <Seveas> k :)
[01:38] <CaiN_SA> aftertaf, i can add a new user, and the old one is in the files but i cant remove it
[01:39] <P-NuT> shall do
[01:39] <aftertaf> in the files on the master system or the chroot system?
[01:40] <hansi_xp> anybody use mplayer?
[01:40] <hansi_xp> anybody at all?
[01:40] <bob2> hansi_xp: asking the same uninformative question over and over seems suboptimal
[01:40] <bob2> hansi_xp: yes, lots of people use mplayer succesfully to watch dvds
[01:40] <aftertaf> hansi_xp:  have you checked all the mixer settings see if any are at 0 or muted?
[01:41] <CaiN_SA> aftertaf, both :)
[01:41] <aftertaf> suboptimal :D
[01:41] <hansi_xp> aftertaf: yes, the best i can do is mplayer dvd:// -nosound
[01:41] <hansi_xp> bob2: why don't you help me?
[01:41] <bob2> hansi_xp: why don't you explain the actual issue?
[01:41] <aftertaf> CaiN_SA:  does it cause an error on both systems?
[01:42] <bob2> any plan involving dvds and esd is doomed
[01:42] <fadumpt> can delete /de/dsp to free it up?
[01:42] <fadumpt> will it come back
[01:42] <hansi_xp> bob2: mplayer dvd:// -ao esd , i can't listen to dvd
[01:43] <aftertaf> fadumpt:  dont break what you dont know how to repair...... advice from a mostly newbie ;)
[01:43] <CaiN_SA> aftertaf, no just in the chroot
[01:43] <fadumpt> aftertaf, well i know that a lot of files reload
[01:43] <bob2> hansi_xp: pkill esd, mplayer -ao oss
[01:43] <fadumpt> so i was kinda hoping this would just reload too
[01:43] <x[BrB] x> bob2 can i make a shortcut of my download folder on my desktop?
[01:43] <aftertaf> CaiN_SA:  and if you go into the files themselves you can't remove them?
[01:43] <bob2> x[BrB] x: sure...
[01:43] <fadumpt> cuz it's saying something about [OSS]  cant open /dev/dsp
[01:44] <hansi_xp> bob2: still no sound
[01:44] <aftertaf> fadumpt:  u on gnom eor kde?
[01:44] <x[BrB] x> can you help me?
[01:44] <Pyf> hi i just installed a secondary/slave hd how do i get ubuntu to detect it?
[01:44] <fadumpt> aftertaf, gnome
[01:44] <othernoob> does anyone have a nec nd2500A ?
[01:44] <bob2> hansi_xp: define "no sound"?
[01:44] <bob2> Pyf: it's already detected
[01:44] <CaiN_SA> aftertaf, i can but its annoying cos i have to delete that user from the group / shadow and passwd file :/
[01:44] <fadumpt> it's video files under mplayer
[01:44] <aftertaf> x[BrB] x:  in nautilus, do a drag n drop to Desktop, it should ask you if you want to make a shortcut.
[01:45] <Pyf> bob2, hw do i access it?
[01:45] <hansi_xp> bob2: no sound, in the cli it says audio: no sound, you press zero on the keyboard you can't move the volume slider at all
[01:45] <aftertaf> x[BrB] x:  OR... right click desktop, new shorcut to: and follow the next> button :D
[01:45] <bob2> hansi_xp: ignore that
[01:45] <bob2> hansi_xp: where does sound work?
[01:45] <bob2> Pyf: /msg ubotu ntfs
[01:45] <dealt> greetings
[01:45] <bpuccio> so what's the new place to get w32codecs?
[01:45] <hansi_xp> bob2: on a wmv file, mov file, and in xmms, general ubuntu
[01:46] <aftertaf> CaiN_SA:  hmm weird... uncle google come up with anything?
[01:46] <fadumpt> mplayer's site bpuccio
[01:46] <bpuccio> fadumpt: thanks!
[01:46] <bob2> hansi_xp: and with "mplayer -ao oss whatever.mp3"?
[01:46] <dealt> just a quick q: how can i tell apt to use proxy? im using 5.04 and /etc/apt/apt.conf doesnt exist
[01:46] <fadumpt> under downloads
[01:46] <hansi_xp> bob2: give me a second
[01:46] <aftertaf> dealt:  you create it;)
[01:47] <dealt> aftertaf: under /etc/apt or /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/?
[01:47] <Pyf> bob2, it might be formatted ntfs how do i format it to fat32?
[01:47] <aftertaf> dealt:  /etc/apt   > create apt.conf
[01:47] <aftertaf> dealt:  you know what t put?
[01:47] <bob2> Pyf: er, you want to delete everythogn on it?
[01:47] <Pyf> bob2, yeah tis fine
[01:48] <LethAL-Rocks> Pyf, You can't convert ntfs to FAT32 in Linux, use a Windows partitioner instead
[01:48] <dealt> aftertaf: ACQUIRE { ...} ?
[01:48] <LethAL-Rocks> Pyf, Well, I meant not without losing data ;)
[01:48] <hansi_xp> bob2: it doesn't work with -ao -oss but it does work with -ao -esd
[01:48] <bob2> Pyf: mkfs -t vfat /dev/whatever
[01:48] <Pyf> LethAL-Rocks,  i dont wanna convert, just format, is that possible?
[01:48] <aftertaf> dealt:  more or less..... 2 secs...
[01:48] <bob2> hansi_xp: then you didn't run "pkill esd"
[01:48] <fadumpt> aftertaf, here it is: [AO OSS]  audio_setup: Can't open audio device /dev/dsp: Device or resource busy
[01:48] <hansi_xp> bob2: whoops sorry dude
[01:48] <LethAL-Rocks> Pyf, Yeah, use GParted
[01:49] <aftertaf> dealt:  Acquire::http::Proxy "http://10.130.8.254:8090";; <--- my settings
[01:49] <fadumpt> ooh! how do I set the gui to use -ao -esd?
[01:49] <dealt> aftertaf: :) thanks
[01:49] <hansi_xp> bob2: okay -ao oss works now
[01:49] <bob2> dealt: now try a dvd
[01:49] <fadumpt> nevermind
[01:49] <fadumpt> thanks bob2
[01:49] <aftertaf> fadumpt:  better not using esd, afaik
[01:49] <bob2> bah
[01:49] <fadumpt> bob2 fixed my issue
[01:50] <bob2> hansi_xp: now try a dvd
[01:50] <hansi_xp> bob2: doesn't work yet
[01:50] <aftertaf> bah.. ;)
[01:50] <dealt> let me test this "thanks"
[01:50] <bob2> so, mysql users
[01:50] <iLLf8d> anyone have working colorschemes in vim in rxvt or some other term? seems they're hosed in debian and I was curious if they're hosed in ubuntu too?
[01:51] <dealt> i thought the "now try a dvd" was an auto-reply :)
[01:51] <bob2> how do I allow the account 'rob' to use the "mysql" command with a password?
[01:51] <bob2> (with mysql-4.1)
[01:51] <Yohohosfameron> bob2: grant access ?
[01:51] <ompaul> hansi_xp, mplayer gives a lot of helpful info such as --  Your system is too SLOW to play this! -- then it goes on to do stuff like explain what you might do do overcome this problem
[01:51] <ompaul> hansi_xp, read the output and try some of the stuff there
[01:52] <hansi_xp> ompaul: where dude? try what?
[01:52] <Yohohosfameron> oh, hang on, it's grant <<priveleges>> on db.* to username identified by password or something like that - should be documented on mysql.com
[01:52] <ompaul> hansi_xp, please be aware that I know very little about audio
[01:52] <dealt> aftertaf: should i restart any service after creating apt.conf, i assume there's none
[01:52] <bob2> Yohohosfameron: roc, thanks
[01:52] <ompaul> hansi_xp, start mplayer on the command line
[01:52] <aftertaf> dealt:  nope works straight after
[01:52] <hansi_xp> ompaul: my computer is a 1 ghz celeron. windows xp plays dvds no problems
[01:52] <hansi_xp> ompaul: i have been mplayer dvd:// -ao esd
[01:53] <hansi_xp> bob2: so what you reckon bob
[01:53] <hansi_xp> i know that i am dumb, but too dumb
[01:53] <hansi_xp> i don't think do
[01:53] <ompaul> hansi_xp, and read the output to yourself it might just give you the clue you need
[01:53] <ompaul> hansi_xp, in the terminal where you start it don't worry about the film first
[01:54] <x[BrB] x> bob2 can i user other irc rather than xchat??
[01:54] <apokryphos> x[BrB] x: there are many IRC clients
[01:54] <ompaul> x[BrB] x, you could use lots of them - there are many more clients than just many
[01:54] <apokryphos> x[BrB] x: irssi, gaim, kopete, konversation, kvirc, ksirc etc etc
[01:54] <fadumpt> irssi, BitchX
[01:55] <apokryphos> =)
[01:55] <hansi_xp> ompaul: do you want me just to type mplayer in the cli?
[01:55] <x[BrB] x> i like downloading mp3 and i find it hard using xchat
[01:55] <x[BrB] x> so what can you recommend guys?
[01:55] <x[BrB] x> thankws in advance
[01:55] <hansi_xp> what dude?
[01:55] <ompaul> hansi_xp,  yes with the command line and read the output it is very very helpful - as I said before I am not much good with sound but it is very very useful
[01:56] <apokryphos> x[BrB] x: kvirc, personally.
[01:56] <hansi_xp> b@ubuntu:~$ mplayer
[01:56] <hansi_xp> MPlayer 1.0pre6-3.3.5 (C) 2000-2004 MPlayer Team
[01:56] <hansi_xp> CPU: Intel Celeron 2/Pentium III Coppermine,Geyserville (Family: 6, Stepping: 10 )
[01:56] <hansi_xp> Detected cache-line size is 32 bytes
[01:56] <hansi_xp> MMX2 supported but disabled
[01:56] <hansi_xp> CPUflags:  MMX: 1 MMX2: 0 3DNow: 0 3DNow2: 0 SSE: 1 SSE2: 0
[01:56] <hansi_xp> Compiled for x86 CPU with extensions: MMX SSE
[01:56] <x[BrB] x> thanks :)
[01:56] <ompaul> x[BrB] x, well sirc or irssi for cli and xchat / ksirc for gui
[01:57] <ompaul> hansi_xp, okay - number 1 don't paste here
[01:57] <ompaul> hansi_xp, okay - number 2 use paste.ubuntulinux.nl
[01:57] <hansi_xp> ompaul: are you familiar with mplayer?
[01:58] <ompaul> hansi_xp, you were given command lines there a few moments ago - use them in the terminal and read the output - how hard is that - it gives lots of clues
[01:58] <hansi_xp> where did bob2 go?
[01:58] <puterfixer> greetings, ladies and gentlemen. I'm looking for some help on setting up my TV tuner, it's a KWorld V-Stream StudioTV Terminator, VS-LTV7131RF, with a Philips SAA7131 chip. I see the saa7134 module being loaded, but I don't think it's using the correct card and tuner number
[01:59] <puterfixer> so I'd need the list of cards and tuners supported by Ubuntu kernel, but I have no idea where to find it; I'm following some instructions from gentoo-wiki.com site.
[01:59] <hansi_xp> ompaul: would you like to see my output?
[02:00] <kelmo_lap> puterfixer: you need to modprobe saa7134 card=SOME_NUMBER
[02:00] <jannaa> Hi, im a fresh ubuntu user, and im wondering whats the default root pw is for ubuntu?
[02:00] <aftertaf> !tell jannaa about root
[02:00] <aftertaf> !tell jannaa about sudo
[02:00] <hansi_xp> there is no default root pw is there?
[02:00] <aftertaf> jannaa:  there isnt one, check those links
[02:00] <kelmo_lap> SOME_NUMBER is listed in the kernel documentation, can't remember exactly where though
[02:01] <hansi_xp> bob2: are you still there?
[02:01] <puterfixer> I know, kelmo_lap; I need the list of cards and tuners for the module, though :)
[02:01] <puterfixer> can't guess card=2 and tuner=17...
[02:01] <Whistler> i have installed rox using apt-get install rox-filer how do i log on to it?
[02:02] <nalioth> Whistler: open a terminal or go to applications > run application  and type "rox-filer"
[02:02] <thoreauputic> Whistler: you don't log on to a file manager :)
[02:02] <battletux> does anyone know a working backport for installing java?
[02:02] <nalioth> thoreauputic: dont be a prude
[02:03] <thoreauputic> prude? Is that the word you  were looking for?
[02:03] <BockBilbo> how do i do to make the beagle deamon start on boot in breezy?
[02:03] <fortnox> Hey everyone
[02:03] <Whistler> s***
[02:03] <Whistler> i wanted to install rox gui
[02:03] <Whistler> not file manager
[02:03] <kelmo_lap> puterfixer: /usr/src/linux/Documentation/video4linux/CARDLIST.saa7134
[02:03] <ompaul> hansi_xp, pastebin it and see what happens, I more than likely will not have any useful comment in which case you will nothing from me
[02:03] <housetier> #rox might be able to help
[02:03] <nalioth> Whistler: i dont think rox is offered in the repos
[02:04] <ompaul> s/will nothing/will see nothing/
[02:04] <apokryphos> hi fortnox =)
[02:04] <fortnox> :)
[02:04] <hansi_xp> ompaul: what is pastebin?
[02:04] <puterfixer> kelmo_lap, I looked there, but there's no linux in /usr/src
[02:05] <kelmo_lap> puterfixer: fecth it ; )
[02:05] <Seveas> !paste
[02:05] <ubotu> [paste]  please use http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/ or #flood to paste large amounts of text
[02:05] <kelmo_lap> fetch*
[02:05] <puterfixer> I guess I need to install the linux documentation or something, but don't know which package :)
[02:05] <Seveas> hansi_xp, ^==
[02:05] <kelmo_lap> puterfixer: you can always just get a massive tarball from kernel.org
[02:05] <ompaul> hansi_xp, I am now putting you on ignore, I told you that 3 minutes go - in over 10 years of IRC I have used ignor 5 times well done
[02:05] <jtholmes> puterfixer:  you want the kernel source package(s)
[02:05] <hansi_xp> ompaul: thanks dude
[02:06] <puterfixer> ok, what should I search for? I'm a noob...
[02:06] <Whistler> so rox GUI isnt aviable via apt-get?
[02:06] <battletux> Could someone give me a pointer to a repo with java please?
[02:06] <Pyf> hmmm using gparted ive converted the ntfs hd to fat32, how do i copy a file onto it say?
[02:06] <jtholmes> puterfixer: what release r u using
[02:06] <puterfixer> Hoary
[02:06] <giovann> why i cant save with my floppy ?
[02:07] <puterfixer> with all updates... kernel 2.6.10-5
[02:07] <thoreauputic> Whistler: not as far as I know - rox uses its own app install methods iirc
[02:07] <segosa> when's breezy gonna be final (and don't hit me if it's a common question =p)
[02:07] <jtholmes> puterfixer: hold on
[02:07] <Pyf> segosa, 18th octorber if my memory serves me
[02:07] <procrastinator> anyone knows why i don't have /dev/ircomm0 even though ircomm-module is loaded?
[02:07] <segosa> thanks.
[02:08] <ompaul> !breezy
[02:08] <fadumpt> !breezy
[02:08] <fadumpt> ?
[02:08] <segosa> how's that for a breeze :p
[02:08] <fadumpt> obotu yelled at me :(
[02:08] <segosa> !breezy
[02:08] <segosa> pfft
[02:08] <ompaul> segosa, the 13th think
[02:08] <ompaul> fadumpt, that is a message
[02:09] <fadumpt> !breezy
[02:09] <segosa> lol
[02:09] <ompaul> fadumpt, not a yell, yelling is CAPS :)
[02:09] <dealt> hi, is there a scp gui tool for gnome?
[02:09] <dealt> thanks
[02:09] <jtholmes> puterfixer: ok from cmd line    apt-cache search *kernel* that should give list of kernel pkgs avail
[02:09] <giovann> there is no paste in my floppy
[02:09] <Seveas> dealt, places -> connect to server
[02:09] <fadumpt> !fadumpt
[02:09] <ubotu> fadumpt: Do they come in packets of five?
[02:09] <fortnox> brb
[02:09] <CrTr> What is that port for  : 2628/tcp open  dict  ?
[02:09] <dealt> Seveas:thanks
[02:09] <dealt> :)
[02:09] <fadumpt> !fadumpt
[02:09] <ompaul> fadumpt, please do not play with the bot
[02:09] <fadumpt> :(
[02:10] <jtholmes> puterfixer: running suse 9.3 right now so can do it to see what comes back
[02:10] <fadumpt> kill my fun why dontcha
[02:10] <puterfixer> got the list in synaptic, trying to pick packages that seem interesting... docs, sources, things like that. thanks :)
[02:10] <ompaul> fadumpt, there are 411 people in the channel and it is not fair on them
[02:10] <jtholmes> puterfixer: ok anytime
[02:10] <Jowi> hi all, probs with fetchmail+sendmail+pop3. How do I resolve the error "SMTP error 552 message too large"?
[02:10] <CrTr> What is that port for  : 2628/tcp filtered   dict  ?
[02:10] <p0> Hello ! Have anyone tried to install oracle client?
[02:11] <Jowi> CrTr: man dict will give you best answer
[02:12] <smott> ./ut2004-bin: error while loading shared libraries: libstdc++.so.5: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory .... hm what?
[02:12] <CrTr> there`s no info about dict
[02:12] <Jowi> CrTr: dict is a dictionary service.
[02:13] <CrTr> 10x
[02:13] <x[BrB] x> wht is ubuntu slackwave or debian?
[02:13] <CrTr> debian
[02:13] <x[BrB] x> thanks :)
[02:13] <giard> breezy question:  anyone else getting: Gtk-WARNING **: Locale not supported by C library.
[02:14] <CrTr> dpkg-reconfigure locales
[02:14] <giard> CrTr: thanks!
[02:14] <Jowi> CrTr: dict is running in the background listening for local applications that need the dictionary probably.
[02:15] <CrTr> how could I close that dict port ?
[02:15] <giard> CrTr: Should I choose the UTF-8 version or the other one?
[02:16] <Jowi> CrTr: shutdown dict itself is the most obvious way: killall dict
[02:16] <aleitner> Does anybody successfully use AFS on Hoary?
[02:16] <maswan> aleitner: yes.
[02:16] <aleitner> maswan: Do you use a 2.6 or 2.4 kernel?
[02:16] <maswan> aleitner: 2.6 kernel
[02:17] <Jowi> CrTr: for a more permanent solution: uninstall it :-)
[02:17] <aleitner> maswan: cool. how did you install it. i tried to build the kernel modules, but it failed
[02:17] <maswan> aleitner: you need a newer openafs than is shipped, unfortunately
[02:17] <aleitner> maswan: ahh, i see. how do i get that?
[02:18] <catfox> is there a way of having xinerama with a laptop, rather than just duplicating the screen through tv out?
[02:18] <aleitner> maswan: (or do you know if breezy will have it, cause maybe i just wait then)
[02:18] <maswan> aleitner: breezy hopefully, if ogra remembers to get it in.
[02:18] <aleitner> maswan: (;
[02:19] <ogra> maswan, i asked for a sync several times now... but somehow keep missing elmo... i wont forget it
[02:19] <maswan> ogra: thanks
[02:20] <CrTr> How could i see which programs are running at the moment ?
[02:20] <aleitner> ogra: thanks from me too
[02:20] <maswan> aleitner: hmm. here seems to be hoary compatible arla packaging. http://www.hpc2n.umu.se/staff/torkel/arla/Ubuntu/
[02:20] <aftertaf> CrTr:  type ps -A in a shell
[02:20] <Jowi> CrTr: ps -A
[02:20] <CrTr> 10q
[02:20] <maswan> aleitner: don't know if I have openafs around right now.
[02:21] <aleitner> maswan: interesting. is orla known to work well?
[02:21] <aleitner> maswan: erm, i mean arla
[02:22] <maswan> aleitner: well, we run it in production. it doesn't have a working afs server though, but the client seems to be doing well enough.
[02:23] <aleitner> maswan: i am only interested in the client part...
[02:23] <maswan> yeah, we run a mix of openafs and arla clients, mostly since arla was first with 2.6 support.
[02:23] <CrTr> what`s better .. filtered port or closed port ?
[02:25] <[LethAL] > CrTr, Stealthed
[02:25] <Jowi> CrTr: depends on what you want. "closed" is closed. not accessible. shut.
[02:26] <Jowi> CrTr: a stealthed port is still open, but is not so obvious about it.
[02:26] <Jowi> CrTr: a stealthed port can also be closed though.
[02:27] <puterfixer> terminology can be a little misleading, CrTr ... I think "closed" means that the remote system WILL return an ICMP package to say "this port is closed", while "stealth" will just ignore everything and not return any error messages, making the system look "stealth" or "black hole" or "invisible" or "non responsive"
[02:27] <Jowi> CrTr: that's sort of the whole point of stealthing them....
[02:28] <puterfixer> the port is closed in both situations, but the second method doesn't generate unnecessary traffic and doesn't reveal the presence of the system
[02:28] <bob2> if you're using the term "stealthing", you shouldn't be messing with firewalls at all
[02:28] <bob2> at least until you read about how networks actually work
[02:28] <CrTr> 10x alot
[02:30] <{cYanide}> hi
[02:30] <puterfixer> it's the same difference than "drop" and "reject" options for packet filtering in iptables. "drop" ignores a packet, "reject" also sends back a message - which you don't want to do.
[02:30] <{cYanide}> my glgears fullscreen is like 70 fps o_O, but in windows gl apps are way fast
[02:30] <{cYanide}> i have a er
[02:30] <bob2> ignore glxgears
[02:30] <{cYanide}> Intel 845GV in this pc
[02:30] <Jowi> bob2: well, "stealth" is a common word to use. Even if it is not the 100% correct one, heh
[02:30] <selinium_> is there part a apt-get command that installs the recommended packes aswell?
[02:30] <bob2> Jowi: in windows-land maybe
[02:30] <{cYanide}> in windows, it runs pretty well, but im thinking i can update drivers and that should speed it up in ubuntu but im not sure how
[02:30] <bob2> selinium_: that's what (among other things) aptitude is dfor
[02:30] <Jowi> bob2: in internet-land
[02:30] <bob2> apt-get was a demo program for libapt
[02:31] <pc22> how do i edit grub?
[02:31] <bob2> Jowi: no actual network person I've ever met has used that term
[02:31] <BockBilbo> hello
[02:31] <bob2> pc22: to do what?
[02:31] <Seveas> selinium_, it's a commadn-line option
[02:31] <BockBilbo> pc22, sudo nano /boot/grub/menu.lst
[02:31] <Seveas> like --with-recommends
[02:31] <bob2> Seveas: depends on your version of apt
[02:31] <BockBilbo> any of you know where does ubuntu have the default icon set at?
[02:31] <Seveas> bob2, true... but afaik hoary had it already
[02:32] <pc22> my comp is dual os
[02:32] <bob2> Seveas: doesn't appear to for me
[02:32] <bob2> not in the manpage or help output, anyway
[02:32] <pc22> i dont want to see my microsoft. i just want to put a dot
[02:32] <Jowi> bob2: i use it because i've been dealing with actual end-users. "how do i stealth?" is a very common question if you are or have been in tech-support for network products - including Cisco believe it or not.
[02:32] <bob2> hah, wow
[02:33] <selinium_> Seveas, bob2, I thinkyou are getting me wrong, when installing via apt-get it installs the dependentcies and also shows you recommended installs. But it does not install these recommended files. I could not find a flag that would do this, is it possible?
[02:33] <puterfixer> yeah, some software firewalls also use the "stealth" word, I guess it sounds good for marketing.
[02:33] <Seveas> selinium, at least aptitude has it in hoary
[02:33] <bob2> selinium_: yes, we understood you
[02:33] <Seveas> but i thought apt-get too (aooarently i was wrong)
[02:33] <dzik_24> Hello to all
[02:33] <Jowi> hello dzik_24
[02:34] <pc22> BockBilbo, how do i save?
[02:34] <puterfixer> "my ports are stealth, I am the undercover invisible supergeek of the network, mwahahahaha"
[02:34] <BockBilbo> pc22 ctrl+o
[02:34] <Seveas> puterfixer, don't be a gibson in here...
[02:35] <selinium_> Seveas bob2: This is one of those conversations I wish was on a telephone! I thought aptitude was the same as apt-get?
[02:35] <puterfixer> sorry mate :)
[02:35] <dzik_24> I have problem with my SB Audigy NX
[02:35] <Seveas> selinium_, they are both frontends to apt
[02:35] <Pyf> ive mounted a new hard disk i just installed, but when i try to copy files to it i dont have permission, have i done something wrong?
[02:35] <Seveas> aptitude is more powerful
[02:35] <pc22> i will try now thanks
[02:35] <sipior> daft question, but i can't seem to find the answer in any man pages: how does one list the files provided by a given package?
[02:35] <dzik_24> I can't hear anything from my back speakers
[02:35] <sipior> i seem to remember doing this in debian, years ago...
[02:36] <dzik_24> Only the front speakers are working
[02:36] <x[BrB] x> how can i install automake
[02:36] <dzik_24> Help ME plz
[02:36] <Antioch> Does Ubuntu have ATI support yet?
[02:36] <BockBilbo> Antioch, yes
[02:36] <CrTr> E: Couldn't find package xchm   : It has another name ?
[02:36] <Antioch> BockBilbo I've been away from linux for a while - since when has ATI support been solved?
[02:37] <BockBilbo> Antioch, well... the support isnt built in ubuntu
[02:37] <Nermal> dzik_24, check mixer
[02:37] <Antioch> Drivers finally came out?
[02:37] <BockBilbo> you need to install the propietary ati drivers
[02:37] <selinium_> Seveas, Another cog falls into place!
[02:37] <Nermal> try aumix
[02:37] <Antioch> Did ATI finally release Xorg drivers?
[02:37] <BockBilbo> Antioch, yes
[02:38] <Antioch> Thank goodness
[02:38] <Antioch> =)
[02:38] <dzik_24> I checked it and I don't have output for back speakers
[02:38] <BockBilbo> igoota go brb
[02:38] <CrTr> E: Couldn't find package xchm   ; Does it have another name or .. ?
[02:39] <x[BrB] x> how to install automake
[02:40] <Seveas> !info xchm
[02:40] <ubotu> xchm: (Compiled HTML Help (CHM) file viewer for X), section universe/x11, is optional. Version: 0.9.7-1ubuntu1 (hoary), Packaged size: 212 kB, Installed size: 812 kB
[02:40] <Seveas> CrTr, enable universe...
[02:41] <sipior> x[BrB] x: doesn't apt-get install automake work?
[02:42] <CrTr> Seveas, if I enable universe there are some errors ..
[02:42] <CrTr> Packages in this component are not supported
[02:45] <selinium_> Seveas: sorry, i wissed the --with-recommends thing! Cheers for that!
[02:47] <selinium_> sorry bob2 I didn't see the discussion going on about --with-recommends :) DOh!
[02:51] <x[BrB] x> how to install automake
[02:51] <x[BrB] x> i cant isntall it :(
[02:52] <bob2> x[BrB] x: why do you want it?
[02:52] <bob2> x[BrB] x: and you need to know which version you need
[02:53] <x[BrB] x> i need it to kvirc :)
[02:53] <bob2> kvirc is in ubunt
[02:53] <bob2> kvirc - Fully scriptable graphical IRC client with plugin support
[02:53] <x[BrB] x> so how can i install that?
[02:54] <bob2> x[BrB] x: sudo aptitude install kvirc
[02:54] <x[BrB] x> i think i'll have a hard time here downloading mp3 :)
[02:54] <bob2> or with whatever package manager you normally use
[02:55] <mpt> Somehow I ended up with two copies of gnome-panel running, the second of which puts up an error alert of the form "I've detected a panel already running, and will now exit", but then is restarted as soon as it exits. Logging out and logging in again still gives me two gnome-panels. Even using the terminal to kill both of them at once doesn't work, as both come back. How can I vanquish one of them permanently?
[02:55] <x[BrB] x> bob2 how can i go and make a shortcut on my download folder?
[02:56] <bob2> mpt: system -> prefereneces -> session, maybe
[02:56] <bob2> (hi)
[02:56] <Jowi> mpt: have a look in gnome-session-properties to see if you've got two panels there. if so remove one of them.
[02:56] <mpt> hi bob2
[02:57] <mpt> this is where I wish preferences tools had an Edit menu so I could copy and paste
[02:57] <aftertaf> x[BrB] x:  didnt you see my answer an hour ago?
[02:58] <x[BrB] x> no aftertaf
[02:58] <x[BrB] x> :(
[02:59] <mpt> bob2, Jowi: thanks, that worked
[02:59] <x[BrB] x> bob2 whats next?
[02:59] <Antioch> hmph... even thought xorg drivers came out, I guess ati in linux is a bit of a dream still
[03:00] <bob2> x[BrB] x: all done
[03:00] <bob2> I don't understand your shortcut question, but you have kvirc now
[03:00] <imterro> hi....] 
[03:00] <imterro> is there a command to check the pc temp?
[03:01] <bob2> it's hardware specific, sadly
[03:02] <imterro> hmm.... so how would i go about finding out such things?
[03:04] <dealt> hi just a quick q: wat does CVS: login failed?
[03:04] <dealt> means?
[03:04] <dealt> how do i configure cvs client?
[03:04] <robotgeek> dealt: just try again
[03:04] <mpt> imterro: is there a "digitemp" package in universe? (it's in debian)
[03:05] <imterro> ill check now
[03:05] <imterro> apparently not
[03:06] <mpt> narf
[03:06] <Jowi> !info digitemp
[03:06] <ubotu> digitemp: (Program to read from temperature sensors in a 1-Wire net), section universe/electronics, is optional. Version: 3.3.2-2 (hoary), Packaged size: 109 kB, Installed size: 376 kB
[03:06] <Jowi> :)O
[03:07] <imterro> bleh it didnt show up when i searched for it on aptitude
[03:07] <dealt> robotgeek:thanks
[03:08] <lifeless> jdub says sorry, his net is down
[03:08] <imterro> hmm stil doesnt show up....
[03:08] <imterro> odd
[03:09] <imterro> although i did find the following
[03:09] <imterro> libsensors-dev - Lm-sensors development kit
[03:09] <imterro> libsensors3 - Library to read temperature/voltage/fan sensors
[03:09] <imterro> lm-sensors - Utilities to read temperature/voltage/fan sensors
[03:09] <imterro> sensord - Hardware sensor information logging daemon
[03:09] <imterro> phpsysinfo - PHP Based Host Information
[03:09] <KriS83> Hi
[03:09] <battletux> hi all
[03:09] <Seveas> NEVER paste in here
[03:10] <Seveas> there are pastebins for that
[03:10] <nightswim> and rubbish bins
[03:10] <puterfixer> bah, I downloaded like 30 megs of docs and still didn't get what I wanted.
[03:11] <DewDude> oooh....i now have BitlBee and CGI:IRC running on this little box
[03:11] <Seveas> hi jdub :)
[03:12] <imterro> sorry about that
[03:12] <jdub> GOOD MORNING FREEDOM LOVERS!
[03:12] <kevor> b
[03:12] <aftertaf> jdub:  Arr matey
[03:12] <bob2> Seveas: I'd think /remove would be better than banning someone
[03:13] <Seveas> bob2, it's not a ban
[03:13] <Seveas> it's a +q
[03:13] <bob2> yes, I know
[03:13] <Seveas> the new freenode servers just show it as bans
[03:14] <bob2> alriiighty then
[03:15] <battletux> why is sun-j2re1.5 always disappering from the repos?
[03:15] <apokryphos> battletux: legal issues
[03:16] <battletux> really? what a pain in the butt
[03:17] <apokryphos> battletux: Indeed. Currently you'll either have to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JavaPackageBuildNewVersions or be on Breezy, unfortunately.
[03:17] <reiki_work> so is there a correct method of getting j2re from Sun and installing it properly in Ubuntu? (I admit I haven't looked at the wiki yet on that question)
[03:17] <reiki_work> answered while asking.... you guys are psychic
[03:17] <Seveas> reiki_work, yes there is, th wiki explains it
[03:17] <battletux> apokryphos: i just got rid of breezy arghh!
[03:18] <battletux> wiki it is then
[03:18] <tylo> hello fellows
[03:18] <apokryphos> aloha =)
[03:18] <battletux> hi
[03:19] <mik3> is there a command i can use to see all the applications i've installed?
[03:19] <apokryphos> mik3: dpkg -l
[03:19] <apokryphos> mik3: will list all installed packages
[03:19] <Seveas> dpkg --get-selections
[03:20] <afaik> is security.debian.org down!?
[03:20] <WebLOCH> oreet everyone
[03:21] <bob2> neither of those show what mik3 asked for
[03:21] <WebLOCH> Seveas, how are you doing today?
[03:21] <WebLOCH> morning bob2 !
[03:21] <bob2> mik3: "dpkg -l | grep ^ii" or "dpkg --get-selections | grep installed$"
[03:21] <WebLOCH> I am back with yet more entertaining problems
[03:22] <Seveas> bob2, grep -v deinstalled ;)
[03:23] <Seveas> ;)
[03:23] <WebLOCH> hahaha
[03:23] <WebLOCH> I have some Java based problems
[03:23] <WebLOCH> You'd love to help me
[03:23] <Seveas> WebLOCH, how did you install java
[03:24] <WebLOCH> unfortunately, I have installed the JDK using a binary
[03:24] <WebLOCH> it was netbeans + jdk
[03:24] <Seveas> dang :\
[03:24] <WebLOCH> however I have come to realise that it didnt register the JRE on my system
[03:24] <Seveas> you should use make-jpkg with those binaries...
[03:24] <battletux> apokryphos: Wiki helped with installing java thanks :)
[03:24] <WebLOCH> wassat ?
[03:24] <Hoxzer> can somebody help me to use direct connect?
[03:24] <Seveas> WebLOCH, remove whatever it installed
[03:24] <apokryphos> excellent
[03:24] <Seveas> and apt-get install java-package
[03:24] <phlax> hi - does anyone know the status of the ltmodem driver in breezy - it says its supposed to be in the linux-restricted-mods packages - but its not there?
[03:25] <WebLOCH> is java-package the Sun setup ?
[03:25] <Seveas> WebLOCH, it can create debs from sun bin files
[03:25] <WebLOCH> oh
[03:25] <Seveas> look at wiki.ubuntu.com/Java for details
[03:25] <bob2> phlax: find it on packages.ubuntu.co
[03:25] <battletux> WebLOCH: follow the wiki: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JavaPackageBuildNewVersions but goto www.java.com for the .bin download
[03:26] <WebLOCH> battletux, Seveas,  I am following that guyide now, but how do I uninstall the bin i have already installed?
[03:27] <phlax> bob2: thanx - ill take a look
[03:27] <battletux> pass, proberbly
[03:29] <WebLOCH> Seveas - Is there a way to remove the bin installation or do I simply delete the program folders?
[03:32] <WebLOCH> anyone about ?
[03:32] <WebLOCH> Am I still connected?
[03:32] <aftertaf> lol....
[03:32] <Seveas> WebLOCH, install /usr/local/java or wherever it installed
[03:33] <Seveas> WebLOCH,*remove* /usr/local/java or wherever it installed
[03:33] <WebLOCH> okay
[03:33] <aftertaf> in cyberspacenoone can hear you scream, when you peer disconnect anyway
[03:33] <WebLOCH> Seveas, I sometimes use command line and other times use netbeans, is it possible to install both the JRE and JDK
[03:33] <WebLOCH> (i know the JDK has a version of the JRE bundled)
[03:37] <phlax> bob2: no the lrm packages listed on packages.ubu... are out of date and the only one in the repositories is the version i have (wout ltmodem)
[03:45] <battletux> is it safe to assume that the disapperance of w32codecs is due to legal reasons too?
[03:48] <Echelon-H> is there a program to edit MP3 information?
[03:48] <robotgeek> Echelon-H: easytag
[03:48] <battletux> sudo apt-get install easytag
[03:49] <Echelon-H> thx
[03:53] <battletux> does anyone know a source for w32codecs for hoary?
[03:53] <Nermal> aye
[03:53] <Nermal> hmm.. no ibot
[03:54] <reiki_work> if I've already pulled down the w32 codecs... is my system storing the package or do they get purged from time to time
[03:55] <Nermal> storing it
[03:55] <aftertaf> reiki_work:  check in /var/cache/apt
[03:55] <Nermal> in /var/cache/apt/archives/
[03:55] <aftertaf> ubotu:  tell battletux about restricted
[03:55] <reiki_work> aftertaf: okies... at work at the moment but I'll look when I get home to see how much space that stuff is taking up. :)
[03:56] <Nermal> battletux, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUserGuideMultimedia?highlight=%28w32codecs%29#head-555ae0b86e1dd8f327d8c042589100b9d889fcb6
[03:56] <aftertaf> reiki_work:  hehe... but when yopu update, it updates part of the package, not a full d/l of each package each time.......
[03:57] <Echelon-H> what's the command to change permission?
[03:57] <kemik> chmod
[03:57] <battletux> aftertaf, nermal: thanks all i know is that it worked on the repos yesterday
[03:57] <djtansey> is there a way change the method gnu/linux/ubuntu allocates memory to swap? I just upgraded to 1.25GB of ram and want things to stay in memory as long as possible.
[03:59] <Nermal> djtansey, erm... thats fine.. I presume you are running a 686 kernel though to get high memory support ?
[03:59] <aftertaf> battletux:  you can get it IIRC on the mplayer homepage...
[04:00] <battletux> aftertaf, odd i already have restricted et all in the backports, but it just comes up that the package is not availalble
[04:00] <bob2> dj	the kernel almost certainly knows better than you
[04:00] <Nermal> bob2, I was thinking the same
[04:00] <bob2> djtansey: /proc/sys/vm/swappiness lets you influence it, tho, if oyu insist
[04:01] <Nermal> oooh
[04:01] <selinium> oooh!
[04:01] <djtansey> Nermal: yes, i am.
[04:03] <djtansey> bob2: probably... just don't know how quickly it moves things to swap. I upgraded to 1.25 so I could stop worrying about openoffice or something that has been in the background all day taking forever to come out of swap.
[04:03] <mypapit> hey guys..
[04:03] !lilo:*! A momentary bit of senility will now ensue for [freenode-hints]  and freenode-connect's VERSION request. Please bear with us.
[04:03] <markrian> I'm having problems with gnome-screensaver activating whilst I'm still actively using the machine - moving the mouse etc.. Anyone else having that problem?
[04:04] <mypapit> suddenly i lost all my menu icons in ubuntu 5.04 (GNOME) ... i dont know why... anybody know about this?
[04:04] <selinium> Anyone know of a decent mysql admin app other than phpmyadmin?
[04:04] <markrian> (Obviously I'm using breezy)
[04:04] <ORiON2012> selinium: mysql-admin
[04:04] <ORiON2012> selinium: :)
[04:04] <ORiON2012> selinium: GTK based
[04:04] <bob2> djtansey: there are people who basically work full time on tuning the algorithm that decides when to swap stuff out
[04:05] <selinium> ORiON2012, ROFL, I'll take a look!
[04:05] <zack> markrian: i've seen it once before on my X41, but not since
[04:05] <bob2> markrian: do file a bug
[04:05] <djtansey> bob2: very well, then. i will trust you and the kernel. thanks for the info, thoguh.
[04:06] <nygma> i'm trying to configure my onboard realtek alc880 sound device... i have a asus 95gpl motherboard and am running horary
[04:06] <nygma> any idea how to ?
[04:06] <ORiON2012> nygma: configure in what way?
[04:07] <Atarax> Hello
[04:07] <bob2> djtansey: the kernel sometimes decides the perforance gain from having more disk cache outweighs the potential cost of swapping back in bits of openoffice
[04:07] <nygma> as in get sound to play frm the speakers ;)...currently i have no sound output
[04:07] <bob2> (i nthe case you're asking about)
[04:08] <zack> as i understand it OOo's startup has less to do with disk swapping and more to do with actual processing
[04:08] <zack> in which case the only way to make it start up faster is to not quit it in the first place
[04:09] <nygma> basically i got fed up with xp so i switched to linux..managed to get everything setup properly with no hassles except sound
[04:09] <nygma> have no idea how to get alsa or esd to work
[04:10] <nygma> so any one have any clue how to proceed ?
[04:10] <twoSharp> nygma: have you checked alsamixer?
[04:11] !lilo:*! FYI, the VERSION command is per http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#freenodeconnect .... this utility had not been running due to the hyperion upgrade, and we're just putting it back online. It seemed a good time to do a complete stats run and clonebot check, and while some of you will have seen the message twice, this should be the last time you get one (other than at connect) for a while.
[04:11] <Jowi> djtansey: sorry for getting in late in the discussion. I set my swappiness to 10 which suit my system well. a good intro to the swappiness behaviour and how to change it can be found here (scroll down for swappiness): http://gentoo-wiki.com/FAQ_Linux_Memory_Management
[04:11] <nygma> in wht way...i have no idea abt alsamixer...complete linux noob :(
[04:11] <ORiON2012> nygma: try an "sudo lspci", is your card detected?
[04:12] <Jowi> oh, he quit :-/
[04:12] <Jowi> heh
[04:13] <Jowi> i think that means its time for a coffee
[04:13] <nygma> nope, it detects the graphics card, processor, ethernet controller and usb, sATA, IDE controllers
[04:14] <twoSharp> nygma: open terminal and write "alsamixer" then press enter ;) and then you use the arrows to navigate trough the output/input channels
[04:14] <ORiON2012> nygma: realtek offers drivers for your ACL880   http://www.realtek.com.tw/downloads/dlhd-2.aspx?lineid=2004052&famid=2004052&series=2004061&Software=True
[04:15] <ORiON2012> nygma: I can't actually find if anything in the official kernel supports that chipset
[04:15] <zack> nygma: what kernel are you on?
[04:17] <zack> nygma: i think 2.6.12 supports it. the module is called 'snd-hda-intel'
[04:17] <nygma> i'm on a 2.6.10.5-386
[04:17] <zack> try 'modprobe snd-hda-intel' anyway
[04:18] <nygma> btw alsamixer threw an error : alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such file or directory
[04:18] <nygma> how do i upgrade the kernel ?
[04:18] <zack> nygma: did you try loading the module?
[04:18] <nygma> synpatic shows no upgrades ?
[04:19] <puff> Morning... ubuntu is failing to bring up gnome fully... I get the login screen, log in, get the plain brown background and blank white menu bars across the top and bottom, and then it displays a "Cannot bring up HAL" popup.  Click "OK" and the popup goes away, and gnome still doesn't finish coming up.
[04:19] <pitti> puff: argh, that again?
[04:19] <puff> pitti: YeaH?
[04:19] <nygma> not found :(..hopefully the realtek drivers will fix the problem
[04:19] <pitti> puff: please upgrade to the latest breezy dbus and reboot
[04:19] <puff> I hit ctl-alt-f1 to ssh out to login.
[04:20] <puff> Er, to login and ssh out to an account where I can run an irc client :-)./
[04:20] <puff> pitti: Breezy dbus?
[04:20] <pitti> puff: erm, or are you using hoary?
[04:20] <puff> hoary.
[04:20] <pitti> puff: ah, ok
[04:20] <pitti> puff: that's an entirely different bug then
[04:20] <zack> nygma: those drivers are for 2.2.14, i wouldn't even bother
[04:20] <pitti> puff: breezy preview had a nasty dbus bug
[04:20] <puff> issuing reboot as root didn't reboot, had to finally hold down the power switch... same thing happened again, so here I am.
[04:21] <pitti> puff: please try the current daily breezy live CD in that case, can you?
[04:21] <nygma> so then what do i do ?
[04:21] <zack> nygma: if you upgrade to breezy, it should work.
[04:21] <zack> then again, that in itself might be frustrating.
[04:21] <puff> Weird... gnome just chuckled at me, so I hit alt-f7 and now I have the desktop background and icons, but no menu bars :-).
[04:21] <nygma> breezy stable enough yet ?
[04:22] <zack> it has been quite good here
[04:22] <ORiON2012> nygma: relatively, still lots of updates going on
[04:22] <puff> pitti: Is there a good mailing list for ubuntu beginners?
[04:23] <zack> oh, which type of 'stable' did you mean?
[04:23] <sproingie> occasional calamitous need to fix xorg.conf aside, breezy's pretty stable for me
[04:23] <pitti> puff: ubuntu-users is meant for user support, but it is high traffic
[04:23] <nygma> stable as in 24X7 non crash
[04:23] <pitti> puff: many folks prefer the forum
[04:23] <waterbaby999> can anyone recommend a good dvd player? used to use ogle under redhat/fedora...anything better?
[04:23] <ORiON2012> sproingie: I don't get it, been running since Colony CD 1 and I've never had X break
[04:24] <pitti> puff: www.ubuntuforums.org
[04:24] <x[BrB] x> bob2 how can i set my computer not to go idle?
[04:24] <puff> pitti: Is there a mailing list gateway?
[04:24] <sproingie> ORiON2012: lucky you.  the font path thing was deadly right from the start.  ATI cards also have the fglrx driver conflict with another module, so that has to be commented out
[04:24] <zack> nygma: hard to say, i have some very new hardware not supported by hoary - i expect a few crashes.
[04:24] <ORiON2012> waterbaby999: VLC and XINE both have menu support, mplayer if you don't care about fancy full motion menus
[04:25] <sproingie> ORiON2012: a shutdown still locks something up
[04:25] <zack> waterbaby999: try totem-xine.
[04:25] <pitti> puff: yes
[04:25] <zack> nice and easy
[04:25] <puff> pitti: Cool.
[04:25] <ablyss> l'o all
[04:25] <waterbaby999> ahh i need to have menus for these dvd's really
[04:26] <sproingie> nygma: you want 24x7 reliability, you want a tandem.  otherwise, depends on what sort of thing you're expecting it to do
[04:26] <x[BrB] x> how can i set my computer not to go idle? after a long time inactivity
[04:27] <nygma> actually was looking at more like stability like no unexpected fatal crashes (windows style :-) )
[04:27] <k31th> power settings'
[04:27] <Mez> anyone know how to turn off the tap to click on a laptop?
[04:27] <ORiON2012> nygma: I'm using it as my LAN's file, print, mythtv, backup server for a while with no random crashes
[04:28] <x[BrB] x> k3lth where can i find that?
[04:28] <puff> How do I list the original windows partition on this machine?
[04:28] <nygma> anyway, can anyone point me to a good resource for configuring sound on linux
[04:28] <k31th> api i think
[04:28] <k31th> might be some where in gnome
[04:28] <sproingie> nygma: kernel panics or hard lockups?  pretty unlikely.  individual apps crashing?  perhaps, depends what you use
[04:28] <puff> I want to copy the data I put on this drive to the original windows partition, do a fresh ubuntu install, then copy it back over to the ubuntu partition.
[04:29] <x[BrB] x> if im downloading a file from irc then my computer has benn inactive will my downloading stops???
[04:29] <nygma> individual apps crashing is expected...what i wouldn't want is another parition table screwup, my bro managed to screw the mbr and partitions when he was fiddling round with xp...don't want anything like that happening ever again
[04:30] <ORiON2012> nygma: as per this page (http://wiki.ubuntu-fr.org/materiel/chipset_intel_hda_realtek) it appears you need the 1.0.9 alsa drivers which aren't included in hoary, so you can compile yourself or upgrade to breezy
[04:30] <p0windah> msg seveas username:password for freenx repository ?
[04:30] <p0windah> I say, oops
[04:30] <waterbaby999> yeah, totem is installed .. do i need to do anything else to allow it to play dvd's at all ?
[04:30] <ORiON2012> nygma: in frenh but you get the idea
[04:31] <Phily> Any xchat guru here?
[04:31] <nygma> yep, small question how do i go about upgrading via snaptic ?
[04:31] <nygma> synaptic i mean
[04:31] <waterbaby999> hehe, i use xchat but wouldnt proclaim to be an expert
[04:31] <sproingie> nygma: that's something a bleeding edge kernel would do ... breezy uses stable kernels afaik, so you're safe
[04:32] <sproingie> nygma: of course since linus now considers the stable kernel branch to be the playground of developers, there really is no "stable" 2.6 kernel now, just older ones
[04:32] <ORiON2012> nygma: change you /etc/apt/sources.list to read "breezy" instead of "hoary" then sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[04:32] <puff> pitti: For reference, this is a thinkpad t43p, and it seemed fairly stable for the first month or so.  I can't pin-point when problems started, but I attempted to apt-get linux-686 shortly before things started getting wacky.
[04:33] <Phily> waterbaby999, do you know how to set a keyb shortcut to change tabs
[04:34] <x[BrB] x> if im downloading a file from irc then my computer has benn inactive will my downloading stops???
[04:34] <waterbaby999> Settings>advanced>keyboard shortcuts?
[04:35] <ORiON2012> x[BrB] x: inactive as in hibernating, or just the monitor is off?
[04:35] <x[BrB] x> so you mean it wont affect my downloading
[04:35] <waterbaby999> urrrrrrrrrrgh why do people insist on using realplayer
[04:35] <waterbaby999> WHYYYYYYY
[04:36] <tristanmike> it's quaint
[04:36] !lilo:*! hints and freenode-connect should be through playing catch-up, thank you for your patience!
[04:36] <Phily> waterbaby999, theirs an option to move the tab order but not swithc from one to the other unless I dont understant
[04:36] <ORiON2012> x[BrB] x: no, as long as it doesn't go into some sort of power saving mode
[04:36] <x[BrB] x> orion2012 how can i check on that??
[04:36] <waterbaby999> have u tried asking around on xchat.org and the xchat irc room?
[04:37] <ORiON2012> x[BrB] x: if you hear the fans turn off on your computer... ?
[04:37] <ablyss> where do I report bugs in breezy ?
[04:37] <Phily> waterbaby999, im on xchat channel now but its a graveyard now
[04:37] <waterbaby999> aww, maybe wait till laters :)
[04:37] <waterbaby999> someone might know, i dont unfortunately :)
[04:37] <ORiON2012> ablyss: http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/
[04:37] <ablyss> also where do I report security holes in all versions of ubuntu?
[04:38] <ORiON2012> ablyss: http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/
[04:38] <ablyss> ty
[04:38] <tamarack> hi
[04:38] <ablyss> saved to bookmarks
[04:38] <tamarack> has anyone figured out what happened to j2re and w32codecs in the repos?
[04:38] <x[BrB] x> coz everytime i left my computer when i came back it ask me for a password
[04:38] <tamarack> they're still missing
[04:39] <x[BrB] x> thats y i just want to make sure of it :)
[04:39] <Robinho_Peixoto> when it goes to happen the string frezer
[04:39] <ORiON2012> x[BrB] x: that's just a screensave, just because the monitor powers down doesn't mean the computer does too
[04:39] <clem_yeats> tamarack : which repos ? This are non-free..
[04:39] <clem_yeats> s/this/these/eg;
[04:39] <tamarack> I think they were in backports or extras
[04:39] <x[BrB] x> ok thanks :)
[04:39] <tamarack> of which I have both
[04:39] <clem_yeats> hmm... ok.
[04:39] <tamarack> I've seen some mentions of other people on the forums having the same issue
[04:40] <tamarack> they just disappeared maybe yesterday or the day before
[04:40] <tamarack> and I just did a fresh install on my laptop :(
[04:40] <tamarack> heh
[04:41] <narkceh> Whats the problem with my sources.list? I cannot install azureus, w32codecs, java? http://pastebin.com/368042
[04:41] <apokryphos> narkceh: they were taken out of hoary-extras
[04:41] <apokryphos> narkceh: legal issues.
[04:41] <tamarack> heh
[04:41] <tamarack> well there's someone with the same problem
[04:42] <tamarack> they're missing from the repositories
[04:42] <tamarack> oh
[04:42] <tamarack> doh
[04:42] <narkceh> apokryphos: dammit. how can i install those than?
[04:42] <tamarack> pardon me :)
[04:42] <waterbaby999> do i need to get some codecs and whatnot to play mpegs and mp3s/dvd's/etcetcetc?
[04:43] <apokryphos> narkceh: azureus, you can use the pack from their website; w32codecs isn't really available, and java: either https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JavaPackageBuildNewVersions or upgrade to breezy
[04:44] <Hajuu> Hi
[04:44] <d2dchat_> how do i setup my wireless?
[04:45] <tamarack> D2DChat, depends on your card
[04:45] <tamarack> the chipset that is
[04:45] <d2dchat_> how can i look that up?
[04:45] <[LethAL] > d2dchat_, Which card is it?
[04:45] <Hajuu> Um.. I used to use a generic sound blaster sound card... It had some really wierd name with numbers and stuff but used pretty much any standard creative drivers.. Um.. Just upgraded to a soundblaster live... it automatically picked it up and installed some drivers and *was* working.. Then I had my mic throughput turned on so I went into mixer settings and disabled it and it made this really high pitch squeel through the speakers and th
[04:45] <narkceh> apokryphos: well. thanks.
[04:45] <Hajuu> en I restarted and now I have no sound at all and nothing is detecting my card :/ any ideas?
[04:46] <d2dchat_> Its a linksys i believe
[04:46] <tamarack> D2DChat, what's the brand name?
[04:46] <tamarack> ah
[04:46] <[LethAL] > Model number?
[04:46] <tamarack> do a google search on the model number
[04:46] <[LethAL] > ^^
[04:47] <tamarack> I think linksys uses their own chipset
[04:47] <tamarack> you might have to use ndiswrapper with your windows drivers to get it to work
[04:47] <nygma> hello, can someone tell me how to upgrade from horary to breezy via synaptic (if that is possible)
[04:47] <tamarack> nygma: sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[04:47] <sproingie> nygma: replace hoary with breezy in sources.list, then sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[04:48] <Hajuu> Anyone? :(
[04:48] <tamarack> heh, yah that part too
[04:48] <d2dchat_> its hard to look in there lol
[04:48] <anatole> okt 1
[04:48] <anatole> wooo
[04:48] <tamarack> do you still have the box the card came in?
[04:48] <anatole> not here
[04:48] <anatole> :D
[04:48] <tamarack> or the manual?
[04:49] <tamarack> is it a G card?
[04:49] <ORiON2012> nygma: click settings->repositories->edit each one, replace "hoary" with "breezy".  click reload, mark all upgrades and you're done
[04:49] <Hajuu> how do I start alsa from the commandline?
[04:49] <d2dchat_> its a G
[04:49] <apokryphos> ubotu: tell nygma about upgrade2breezy
[04:49] <tamarack> did you check under System -> Administration -> Networking?
[04:49] <sproingie> Hajuu: sudo /etc/init.d/alsa restart
[04:49] <tamarack> your card might already be working
[04:50] <d2dchat_> i only have eth0
[04:50] <Hajuu> if there was something wrong with my drivers or something, alsa should fail to start or error or something yeah?
[04:50] <tamarack> and I'm assuming that's your wired interface?
[04:50] <d2dchat_> yes
[04:50] <d2dchat_> Ethernet
[04:50] <tamarack> k
[04:51] <tamarack> well get ndiswrapper from synaptic
[04:51] <d2dchat_> utils?
[04:51] <puff> How friendly is the breezy install?
[04:52] <puff> Er, how upgrade-friendly?  I have data on this machine that I want to keep.
[04:52] <tamarack> the upgrade went well for me
[04:52] <tamarack> D2DChat, yes
[04:52] <puff> Hm.
[04:53] <Red_Bullet> please help me how to stat perl irc bot ?
[04:53] <puff> So I guess I could download & build a breezy CD.
[04:53] <Red_Bullet> does aybody knows about perl irc bot ?
[04:53] <d2dchat_> why is it asking for the cd rom?
[04:54] <tamarack> it's on the cdrom I believe :-)
[04:54] <avalost> Red_Bullet: why 'perl' sepcifically?
[04:54] <brrrt> hello all
[04:54] <d2dchat_> shit i dont it with me right on?
[04:54] <d2dchat_> wow
[04:54] <d2dchat_> i didnt understand what i said
[04:54] <d2dchat_> i dont have it with me
[04:54] <d2dchat_> the cd
[04:54] <tamarack> lol
[04:54] <brrrt> does anyone know how to mount a mac os 9 harddisk on a i386 ubuntu?=
[04:54] <FallenOne> can anyone help me?
[04:55] <puff> brrrt: Hello.  No, I don't.
[04:55] <p0windah> hey I just installed seveas freenx stuff, and it all works good. except fonts arent being rendered...
[04:55] <d2dchat_> why isn't there a place online to get it
[04:55] <puff> FallenOne:  Depends on what your problem is, but lots of people are helpful here, ask and see.
[04:55] <tamarack> actually, it may be in the hoary extras repositories
[04:55] <Red_Bullet> avalost: i dont know how to start perl bot
[04:55] <avalost> p0windah: unicode?
[04:55] <tamarack> I don't remember
[04:55] <FallenOne> Well , i left the password field blank at the intall and now i leave the password field blank and it says it wrong =S
[04:55] <avalost> Red_Bullet: err, try ./botname
[04:55] <p0windah> avalost: the system is using unicode, yes
[04:56] <tamarack> you should add hoary extras and hoary backports to your repositories
[04:56] <avalost> p0windah: that may be the problem
[04:56] <Red_Bullet> avalost:  because perl is easyest
[04:56] <p0windah> avalost: it no longer works with unicode ?
[04:56] <avalost> Red_Bullet: err, no it's not
[04:56] <avalost> get yourself an energymech and start there
[04:56] <Red_Bullet> which bot is the easyest
[04:56] <avalost> p0windah: it *should* work with unicode, however some machines tend to get bungled
[04:56] <Red_Bullet> avalost:
[04:56] <p0windah> avalost: well the unicode on this machine is not bungled
[04:57] <avalost> you're certain
[04:57] <narkceh> apokryphos: could you please tell me how to install azureus because I have no idea. I downloaded Azureus_2.3.0.4_linux.GTK.tar.bz2 is this right?  btw. Java installation system worked and thanks for you.
[04:57] <d2dchat_> i dont see hoary extras and backports
[04:57] <Seveas> p0windah, fonts aren't rendered where?
[04:57] <p0windah> avalost: unicode is working a-ok with traditional and simplified chinese and english and scim is working good
[04:57] <kevor> isn't there anything like the OsX launchbar with the enlarging icons (something less buggy then gdesklets)
[04:57] <apokryphos> narkceh: untar it first, yup
[04:58] <avalost> hmm, interesting
[04:58] <p0windah> Seveas: I fired up fvwm95 and menus are blank boxs, same with twm
[04:58] <narkceh> apokryphos: how can i untar it?
[04:58] <Seveas> check the fontpaths in /etc/nxserver/node.conf
[04:58] <apokryphos> narkceh: tar jxf <file>
[04:58] <Seveas> compare them with the ones in /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[04:58] <p0windah> Seveas: gotcha
[04:59] <p0windah> Seveas: thanks for the repo. btw
[04:59] <Seveas> yw
[05:00] <No1Viking> What happened with the ubuntuguide?
[05:00] <tamarack> d2dchat_, add the following to your /etc/apt/sources.list file
[05:00] <tamarack> deb http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net/ hoary-extras main universe multiverse restricted
[05:00] <tamarack> just put it at the end
[05:00] <tamarack> then type sudo apt-get update
[05:01] <tamarack> then try and get it
[05:01] <d2dchat_> i already have that at the bottom interestingly enough
[05:01] <narkceh> apokryphos: and than?
[05:02] <apokryphos> narkceh: check the readme
[05:02] <apokryphos> narkceh: you just have to open a file there; don't recall the exact name
[05:03] <FallenOne> lol im not getting support :/
[05:03] <Hajuu> Ok so um.. alsa gives no error when starting... but I get no sound... any ideas why?
[05:03] <tamarack> d2dchat_, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HowToSetUpNdiswrapper?highlight=%28ndiswrapper%29
[05:03] <p0windah> Seveas: its the AGENT_EXTRA_OPTIONS_X line ? I made it match everything in xorg.conf and it didnt help
[05:04] <tamarack> that should be more help than I am
[05:04] <d2dchat_> tamarack, hehe ty
[05:04] <tamarack> np
[05:04] <FallenOne> ok i'll ask it again
[05:04] <tamarack> and don't worry, it's usually pretty painless to setup
[05:04] <FallenOne> Well , i left the password field blank at the intall and now i leave the password field blank and it says it wrong =S
[05:05] <Seveas> p0windah, in that case I have no more ideas
[05:05] <apsync> hi, where/how can I see how much space I have left on my harddisk(s) ?
[05:05] <p0windah> k
[05:05] <Jowi> apsync: df -h
[05:06] <p0windah> I'll fiddle, thx anyway seveas
[05:06] <apsync> thank you
[05:06] <tamarack> is anyone using the i810/i915 drivers?
[05:06] <tamarack> mtrr: base(0xe8020000) is not aligned on a size(0x600000) boundary
[05:06] <FallenOne> omfg..l.
[05:06] <apsync> Jowi,  and where stands 'df' for?
[05:06] <FallenOne> Seveas
[05:07] <FallenOne> Do u understand my problem which i get no help for
[05:07] <FallenOne> (no replies)
[05:07] <p0windah> FallenOne: I'm pretty sure "I forgot my password" is covered in the multitude of guides
[05:07] <Jowi> apsync: NO idea. not even the man page say what it stands for. But it does list the filesystem information.
[05:08] <puff> Hm, do I need to make a breezy install CD, or can I download it to the drive and run it from there?
[05:08] <_rb_> hey. anyone really good with gzip ?
[05:08] <apsync> ah Ok, thank you :)
[05:08] <Seveas> FallenOne, I don't even know the problem :)
[05:08] <Jowi> apsync: just type "df -h" in a terminal
[05:08] <apsync> jup worked
[05:08] <FallenOne> Saveas: Well , i left the password field blank at the intall and now i leave the password field blank and it says it wrong =S
[05:09] <avalost> _rb_: problem?
[05:09] <puff> FallenOne: Simply repeating your problem is generally considered rude and annoying, and likely to decrease your odds of getting help.
[05:09] <_rb_> i wanna know how to get gzip to output files as it decompresses, but i want it to start a certain number of files in
[05:09] <pl_ice> hi, got a problem killed my Desktop ...
[05:09] <FallenOne> Puff:i replied to savea
[05:09] <_rb_> ive been importing a dump, and the problem is that i crashed after 100700 pages, and i want to resume further down
[05:10] <avalost> erp, unsure
[05:10] <puff> FallenOne: Try this URL:  http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&q=ubuntu+%22forgot+my+password%22&btnG=Search
[05:10] <_rb_> its just using -dc > then a script running thru php
[05:11] <_rb_> i just want to "resume" by telling it to start decompressing and supply the files 100k into it or so
[05:12] <bob2> to be fair, your problem is fairly self-inflicted
[05:12] <Seveas> FallenOne, login in recovery mode and use passwd your_username
[05:13] <FallenOne> i did in recovry but then
[05:13] <FallenOne> it says
[05:13] <trigger_ph> howdy
[05:13] <FallenOne> root @ my local host name
[05:13] <FallenOne> in sum command prompt
[05:14] <Seveas> good
[05:14] <sertmann> hey, breezy doesn't detect my soundcard, a Creative SoundBlaster Live, what gives?
[05:14] <Seveas> then type passwd your_username_here
[05:15] <trigger_ph> hi. would anyone know of nice repositories of themes for ubuntu?
[05:15] <Seveas> !themes
[05:15] <ubotu> methinks themes is at http://art.ubuntu.com -  http://art.gnome.org - http://www.gnome-look.org - http://kdelook.org - http://themes.freshmeat.net/browse/58/ - http://themes.freshmeat.net/browse/57/ - http://www.guistyles.com
[05:15] <trigger_ph> thanks Seveas
[05:15] <bob2> sertmann: you're sure? the snd_emu10k1 module really isn't loaded?
[05:16] <sertmann> bob2, sure no... but it says it's not detected
[05:16] <bob2> sertmann: "it says"? where?
[05:16] <sertmann> bob2, under the boot
[05:17] <sertmann> bob2, ALSA that is....
[05:17] <bob2> alsa prints "I did not find a SB Live card"?
[05:17] <sertmann> bob2, alsa prints something along the lines of 'soundcard not detected'
[05:18] <Hajuu> Ok so um.. alsa gives no error when starting... but I get no sound... any ideas why?
[05:18] <Nermal> breezy preview install cds working ok ?
[05:18] <bob2> sertmann: so, run lsmod and see if the module is loaded?
[05:18] <bob2> actually, nevermind
[05:18] <apsync> what's a good place to put data in ? /etc/ ?
[05:19] <Seveas> apsync, your homedir...
[05:19] <AndieB> Hi all!
[05:19] <sertmann> bob2, well emu10k1 is there...
[05:21] <sertmann> conflict with my onboard ac97 maybe?
[05:21] <apsync> Seveas, homedir = personal folder ? (Where Desktop is)
[05:21] <Hajuu> Ok so um.. alsa gives no error when starting... but I get no sound... any ideas why?
[05:21] <FallenOne> saveas
[05:21] <FallenOne> like this
[05:21] <Seveas> apsync, yes
[05:21] <AndieB> Anyone who can help me out with adding CODECs for TOTEM player?
[05:21] <apsync> ah Ok, thank you
[05:21] <FallenOne> passwd fallenone
[05:21] <FallenOne> ?
[05:21] <AndieB> Or should I use another player for Video?
[05:21] <Seveas> AndieB, install gstreamer-plugins-universe
[05:22] <Seveas> or w32codecs if you use totem-xine
[05:22] <AndieB> Seveas: Thank you!
[05:22] <Nermal> apsync, /opt
[05:22] <Nermal> or your home dir
[05:22] <apsync> ok
[05:22] <sktrdie> where's the linux kernel source located in ubuntu
[05:23] <ORiON2012> sktrdie: linux-source
[05:23] <narkceh> apokryphos: I installed azureus and it worked. But it didn't make any shotcuts. Before when apt-get worked it make a shortcut in gnome -> internet -> azureus
[05:23] <Seveas> sktrdie, package linux-source-2.6.10
[05:23] <AndieB> Seveas: I don't have it in Synaptic Package Manager...?
[05:23] <sktrdie> ORiON2012: where is that?
[05:23] <Seveas> AndieB, enable universe :)
[05:23] <sktrdie> ORiON2012: I mean in which path
[05:23] <netbugz> anyone know a cdwriting app for ubuntu??
[05:23] <apokryphos> narkceh: you can make them; use smeg or whatever =)
[05:23] <ORiON2012> sktrdie: it's a package you must install, then you can find it in /usr/src
[05:24] <narkceh> apokryphos: smeg?
[05:24] <sktrdie> ORiON2012: I have it already installaed
[05:24] <sktrdie> but it's not there
[05:24] <bob2> sktrdie: why do you want the kernel source?
[05:24] <Seveas> netbugz, gnomebaker, graveman, serpentine, k3b, nautilus, cdrecord....
[05:24] <puff> Blah.
[05:24] <puff> Hm.
[05:24] <apokryphos> ubotu: tell narkceh about smeg
[05:24] <ORiON2012> sktrdie: /usr/src/linux-(version)
[05:24] <bob2> netbugz: the gnome file manager can burn data cds
[05:24] <AndieB> Seveas: Universe? You mean repository?
[05:24] <netbugz> something that can duplicate even a copyrighted CD??
[05:24] <Hajuu> I know you were all very concerned, but I got it going
[05:25] <sertmann> mpg123 gives, "can't open default sound device"
[05:25] <narkceh> apokryphos: cool. thanks.
[05:25] <bob2> netbugz: that appears to be off-topic
[05:25] <Seveas> AndieB, yes
[05:25] <Seveas> !tell AndieB about repos
[05:25] <sktrdie> ORiON2012: but I want the one that is already configured the way I have my kernel now
[05:26] <sertmann> !sound
[05:26] <ubotu> sound is, like, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/DebuggingSoundProblems/
[05:26] <sproingie> netbugz: not many linux cd burners handle copy protection unless it's something trivial.  you'll need a windows app like alcohol 120
[05:26] <ORiON2012> sktrdie: its a kernel image, there is no source
[05:26] <Jowi> netbugz: graveman is pretty nice. it has got a duplicate-cd option.
[05:26] <sktrdie> ORiON2012: basicallyI just need to change something in the config, what should I do?
[05:26] <ORiON2012> sktrdie: roll your own
[05:27] <tylo> is there a way to display the line numbers in gedit?
[05:27] <morbius> how to make a cd installer bootable??
[05:27] <morbius> how to make a cd installer bootable??
[05:27] <Gman> i have a question regarding breezy
[05:27] <morbius> how to make a cd installer bootable??
[05:28] <sertmann> abd aplay -l gives: device_list:218: no soundcards found...
[05:28] <netbugz> Jowi netbugz: graveman is pretty nice. it has got a duplicate-cd option. <<< TNX
[05:28] <Gman> can you upgrade to breezy from hoary without reinstalling?
[05:28] <sproingie> Gman: yes.  change hoary to breezy in sources.list, then apt-get dist-upgrade
[05:28] <morbius> how to make a cd installer coming from net bootable
[05:29] <morbius> how to make a cd installer coming from net bootable?
[05:29] <sproingie> morbius: stop repeating
[05:29] <morbius> sowi
[05:29] <sktrdie> just get it from kernel.org and do it from there?
[05:29] <morbius> ok tbx
[05:29] <sktrdie> But I dont know how to configure most of the stuff
[05:29] <Gman> thanks sproingie - so i need to edit the repositories first..
[05:30] <ORiON2012> sktrdie: may as well use the stuff with ubuntu patches for maximum compatibility
[05:30] <sproingie> Gman: yep.  it's a simple patch
[05:30] <sktrdie> ORiON2012: How do I install patches btw?
[05:30] <sproingie> Gman: er, s/patch/edit/  (got patching on my brain today)
[05:30] <ORiON2012> sktrdie: google can tell you that
[05:31] <sktrdie> ORiON2012: can I use the .config I have now and use to compile the new kernel in that .config?
[05:31] <Gman> thanks for the info!...i installed ubuntu only 2 days ago and i love it!
[05:32] <ORiON2012> sktrdie: if all you're doing is changing one configuration option then yes, but if its a different kernel version .config then it is not wise
[05:32] <MaCa> Is it possible to install ubuntu from its liveCD?
[05:32] <sktrdie> no it's the same
[05:32] <sktrdie> I guess
[05:32] <sproingie> MaCa: not last time i looked
[05:32] <sktrdie> it's 2.6.12
[05:32] <sktrdie> just i think the config is from 2.6.12-8
[05:33] <narkceh> apokryphos: how can i make a script named 'azureus'; ex. "./azureus" because i cannot make shortcut that i have to use terminal and go to azureus directory and use ./azureus?
[05:33] <nxvl> hi
[05:33] <nxvl> i have just download ans unpack DBDesigner4
[05:34] <nxvl> but when i try to run it
[05:34] <nxvl> i got this error: libXft.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[05:34] <sproingie> narkceh: you could just put the azureus directory in your path
[05:34] <Frafra> hi all
[05:34] <_rb_> or drag the thing out of konqueror
[05:34] <nxvl> i have install libXft, libXft-dev and libXft-dbg
[05:34] <sproingie> narkceh: or just create a link from the current azureus directory to your ~/bin directory
[05:34] <_rb_> navigate there iusing the terminal if you wish
[05:34] <nxvl> but it still doesn't work
[05:35] <Pyf> how do i update my aptitude list?
[05:35] <Frafra> I'm trying to use efax, but it says me: "efax: 35:19 done, returning 4 (no response from modem)"
[05:35] <sproingie> or what _rb_ said, just drag the exe to your desktop with konq and click "make link here"
[05:36] <Frafra> why?
[05:36] <oO[NOVA] Oo> MY BUTT SAYS
[05:36] <oO[NOVA] Oo> damn. sorry. my brother's messing with my pc
[05:36] <narkceh> sproingie: i got it. thanks
[05:38] <Cathelo> If I have a fresh install of breezy beaver, is there an easy way to downgrade to hoary hedgehog or do I have to reinstall from scratch?
[05:38] <ORiON2012> Cathelo: I've heard from several that downgrading does weird and bad things
[05:38] <ORiON2012> Cathelo: but I've never tried
[05:39] <p0windah> software configurations dont downgrade well
[05:39] <Cathelo> Fair enough.
[05:40] <nybble> i'd just re-install...
[05:40] <Cathelo> Have people been having lots of problems with beaver?  I'm finding it to be slow and having other little problems as well.  Any big known issues?
[05:40] <nybble> beaver?
[05:40] <p0windah> he means breezy
[05:40] <nybble> ah
[05:41] <nybble> lol
[05:41] <nybble> i thought so
[05:41] <ORiON2012> Cathelo: no
[05:41] <nybble> i was just about to say that lol...
[05:41] <nubbe> I was hoping he didn't  :)
[05:41] <LokeDK> Would like to have mplayer for i686, but mplayer-686 - transitional dummy package which can be safely removed < what does that mean? that's the package description
[05:41] <ORiON2012> nybble: hedgehogs, badgers, it's all a bit confusing :)
[05:41] <netbugz> anyone know an app for writing ISO image to CD graveman cant do the job..
[05:41] <nybble> Cathelo: i was running it, but it broke on an X upgrade,
[05:41] <nybble> netbugz: use gnome?
[05:42] <nubbe> netbugz, nautilus
[05:42] <netbugz> i use Ubuntu
[05:42] <nybble> netbugz: i beleive you can right-click on an ISO and click burn or something
[05:42] <nybble> Gnome = Ubuntu default desktop
[05:42] <nybble> Nautalius = Gnome's File browser
[05:42] <netbugz> tnx
[05:42] <netbugz> got
[05:42] <netbugz> it
[05:42] <netbugz> LOL
[05:43] <nybble> did it work, netbugz?
[05:43] <Jowi> netbugz: graveman can absolutely burn ISO to CD.
[05:43] <netbugz> yah
[05:43] <fortnox> hey guys i dont know if anyone of you can give me a hint on what could be the problem i am having. when i do a "modprobe fglrx" its says fatal module not found. but if i do "vi /etc/modules" fglrx is added in there. Could anyone perhaps help?
[05:44] <netbugz> Jowi, it cant detect my writer
[05:44] <netbugz> only the image drive
[05:44] <xKintaro> Ubuntu is the worst distro in Linux history.
[05:44] <Jowi> netbugz: ouch. ok.
[05:44] <fortnox> xKintaro, then dont use it? nobody forcing you :)
[05:44] <xKintaro> I hate it.
[05:44] <narkceh> Could someone tell what should i write in my fstab that i could mount hdb ntfs?
[05:45] <Antioch> Why do you dislike it?
[05:45] <Frafra> !fax
[05:45] <ubotu> I don't know, Frafra
[05:45] <Jowi> ubotu, tell narkceh about windowsdrives
[05:45] <p0windah> I hate being a fatty, but I just cant stop eating fries baby
[05:45] <netbugz> ubuntu has online support
[05:45] <nybble> p0windah: i hear ya
[05:45] <netbugz> and its free
[05:45] <nybble> your looking at it lol
[05:46] <Butcherbird-Jr> !ubotu
[05:46] <ubotu> Thaaat's me! I'm a bot, not a human. I'm sometimes the most coherent poster on #ubuntu! For more, ask me about "add". You can browse my brain on http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[05:46] <netbugz> !add me
[05:46] <ubotu> netbugz: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about
[05:46] <netbugz> LOL
[05:46] <nybble> i've spent many an hour talking to ubotu...
[05:46] <nybble> ubotu, tell nybble about add
[05:47] <netbugz> use the !
[05:47] <nybble> ubotu, your so darn smart
[05:47] <ubotu> nybble: Are you smoking crack?
[05:47] <nybble> hehe
[05:47] <narkceh> Jowi: how can i run winmac_fstab?
[05:48] <Jowi> narkceh: it is all explained in the file itself
[05:48] <Echelon-H> hi.
[05:48] <oO[NOVA] Oo> get a winmac_f knife to winmac_fstab ;);)
[05:48] <Echelon-H> Is there any midi-gui player?
[05:48] <EnderNine> anyone know how to stop the screen from locking in breezy?
[05:48] <narkceh> Jowi: sorry. i didnt read any.
[05:49] <Jowi> narkceh: look in the winmac_fstab that ubotu just gave you the link to.
[05:49] <bur[n] er> EnderNine: turn off the checkbox in your screensaver that says "lock screen on screensaver"
[05:49] <robotgeek> anyone using bittorrent, could you volunteer to test something for us?
[05:49] <netbugz> anyone here know how to make Ragnarok Online run on Wine??
[05:49] <Frafra> can i receive fax on ubuntu?
[05:49] <bur[n] er> robotgeek: ?
[05:49] <Jowi> narkceh: look for "instructions for use:"
[05:49] <robotgeek> bur[n] er: http://www.giannaros.org/tor/bt/ download a torrent, and see if you can download?
[05:50] <AndieB> I've downloaded Apache2 via Synaptic Package Manager and installed it and at the same time de-installed Apache 1.13. Is there any Graphical config for Apache2?
[05:50] <EnderNine> bur[n] er: I did that.. still locks up
[05:50] <bur[n] er> robotgeek: i'm goin for it
[05:50] <robotgeek> bur[n] er: thanks
[05:50] <bur[n] er> EnderNine: as in a "hard" lock?  like you can't do anything?  or just lcoks the screen so you need to enter a password?
[05:50] <butcherbird> !ubotu
[05:50] <ubotu> Thaaat's me! I'm a bot, not a human. I'm sometimes the most coherent poster on #ubuntu! For more, ask me about "add". You can browse my brain on http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[05:51] <EnderNine> bur[n] er: just locks it so I need to type my password
[05:51] <bur[n] er> robotgeek: loads up fine.. though 0 peers & seeders
[05:51] <apokryphos> bur[n] er: doesn't try to d/l ?
[05:51] <bur[n] er> robotgeek: plus, it's old versions of java :)  update 1.5_05 was released
[05:51] <bur[n] er> apokryphos: it's in my azureus... but no one to download from
[05:52] <trigger_ph> !themes
[05:52] <ubotu> well, themes is at http://art.ubuntu.com -  http://art.gnome.org - http://www.gnome-look.org - http://kdelook.org - http://themes.freshmeat.net/browse/58/ - http://themes.freshmeat.net/browse/57/ - http://www.guistyles.com
[05:52] <bur[n] er> EnderNine: i'm not sure there... u on breezy?
[05:52] <robotgeek> the site did register your download, weird
[05:52] <EnderNine> bur[n] er: yeah
[05:53] <nybble>  ibetter put on some pants, i can feel a breez-y
[05:53] <nybble> hehe
[05:53] <bur[n] er> EnderNine: u have both gnome-screensaver and xscreensaver installed by chance?
[05:53] <EnderNine> bur[n] er: yeah.. they both came installed
[05:53] <bur[n] er> EnderNine: update ;)
[05:53] <bur[n] er> gnome-screensaver knocks out xscreensaver now
[05:53] <pippo> help install  skype_1.2.0.11-1_i386.deb
[05:53] <Antioch> Does it?
[05:54] <morbius> how do i install java in fc2?
[05:54] <apokryphos> bur[n] er: ok, thanks for testing
[05:54] <ORiON2012> morbius: are you serious?
[05:54] <bur[n] er> apokryphos: np
[05:54] <morbius> yes y?
[05:54] <ORiON2012> morbius: look at the channel title
[05:54] <Palaiyot> LOL
[05:54] <nybble> morbus, join #fedora
[05:54] <nybble> i think
[05:55] <tommi^> Hi. I'm installing gforge and it is a mess. I'm at a point where apt-get repots "/etc/php4/cgi/php.ini already configured, not changing." and it seems to hang there. How can I get more information from apt-get?
[05:55] <Belutz> just tried the breezy preview livecd.... the new gnome is cool :D
[05:55] <bur[n] er> i have a favor to ask of someone now... can anyone test the "search" box in breezy's rhythmbox?  anytime I type something in there, RB crashes and won't come back till i dump my ~/.gnome2/rhythmbox directory
[05:55] <Palaiyot> this is UBUNTU not Fedora
[05:55] <morbius> ic i tot you can give me some help
[05:55] <Palaiyot> yeah but not Fedora
[05:55] <AndieB> Seveas: I downloaded the gstreamer as you said, but I can not view AVI files in my Totem player?
[05:55] <bur[n] er> morbius: nope ;)  with ubuntu sure, not fc ;)
[05:55] <Palaiyot> channel is UBUNTU
[05:55] <Belutz> tommi^: go to #gforge
[05:55] <bur[n] er> !tell AndieB about restrictedformats
[05:55] <pippo> help install  skype_1.2.0.11-1_i386.deb
[05:56] <tommi^> Belutz, it's a configuration issue with dpkg's. Not specific to gforge, I guess. But I'll try there too, thanks
[05:56] <morbius> ok palaiyot!!!
[05:56] <Seveas> morbius, why on earth do you think we support fedora..?
[05:56] <EnderNine> im having a problem with azureus too if anyone wants to help with that =p it just doesnt want to download and it crashes after awhile(thought the crashing was because of the screen locking)
[05:56] <ORiON2012> pippo: sudo dpkg -i skype_1.2.0.11-1_i386.deb
[05:56] <morbius> umiyot ka na lng ng umiyot!!!!!
[05:56] <Jowi> pippo: simply .. ehhh... ORiON2012 beat me to it :-)
[05:56] <Palaiyot> Ulol
[05:56] <AndieB> bur[n] er: Thank you!
[05:56] <Seveas> morbius, stick to english in here...
[05:57] <pippo> tnx i try
[05:57] <morbius> gago!!! hindi ka naman kinakausap!!!
[05:57] <Palaiyot> kick him he told me to feck my self
[05:57] <AndieB> Another quess... i'm installing OpenOffice 2... do I have to Uninstall OpenOffice 1.1??
[05:57] <morbius> pilipino nga naman!!!
[05:57] <narkceh> Jowi: /dev/hda1 /mnt/hda ntfs rw,user,fmask=0111,dmask=0000 0 0 says now: bash: cd: /mnt/hda/: Permission denied
[05:57] <ORiON2012> Seveas: thanks
[05:58] <Palaiyot> your fault we tried to help but you cussed me
[05:58] <narkceh> Jowi: that script made those directories but they were not good because they were something like /media/0 GB Disk (hdb1)/
[05:58] <deFrysk> !info msttcorefont
[05:58] <deFrysk> !info msttcorefonts
[05:58] <ubotu> msttcorefonts: (Installer for Microsoft TrueType core fonts), section multiverse/x11, is optional. Version: 1.2ubuntu1 (hoary), Packaged size: 21 kB, Installed size: 160 kB
[05:58] <narkceh> Jowi: so i changed fstab and now i cant use that
[05:58] <Proteque> hey.
[05:58] <Proteque> I suddenly got a problem on my computer,
[05:58] <Seveas> narkceh, the script also creates symlinks like /dev/hdb1
[05:58] <FallenOne> saveas:i fallowed ur info but it doenst work , i do passwd fallenone, then it said new UNIX password then if i wanne type something it doenst show up
[05:59] <Proteque> psmouce.c bad data from kbc fills the screen and then it instant reboots.
[05:59] <EnderNine> having a problem with azureus
[05:59] <Seveas> FallenOne, nothing should show up....
[05:59] <butcherbird> EnderNine, what kind of problem
[05:59] <Jowi> narkceh: well, obviously. try something like this then: /dev/hda1       /mnt/hda       ntfs    defaults,umask=000        0       0
[05:59] <EnderNine> butcherbird: it wont download at all
[06:00] <EnderNine> butcherbird: sometimes I get a green smiley and such.. no errors and no nat problems but it just doesnt download
[06:00] <apsync> ask in #azureus  ?
[06:00] <pippo> i install skype but don't start because?
[06:00] <Seveas> pippo, because something is wrong...
[06:00] <FallenOne> Seveas , well if i type something it keeps staying blank but if thats good k , but if i type the pass 2 times it said : Failed to auth password info or sumthing :S
[06:00] <Seveas> post the error on the pastebin
[06:01] <Seveas> FallenOne, without an exact error I can't say anything about it...
[06:01] <ORiON2012> FallenOne: its a security feature, you don't want passwords displayed in plaintext so anyone walking by can see it
[06:01] <snowowl> EnderNine: the torrent could be at fault
[06:01] <butcherbird> EnderNine, if you change the port to like 8080 does it work? Showind any seeds?
[06:02] <EnderNine> snowowl: I thought that but I have 3 different torrents up and none work
[06:02] <j0nas`> hey, what file do you need to edit to set an environment variable for all users at boot up?
[06:02] <j0nas`> for example say i wanted to make JAVA_HOME available to all users
[06:02] <FallenOne> Saveas : Ok it says Failed to auth the password infomation
[06:02] <Palaiyot> anyone know where i can ask help for WINE??
[06:02] <EnderNine> butcherbird: ive changed the port multiple times and seeds do show up.. but it still doesnt download
[06:02] <Seveas> j0nas`, you should install java properly so you don't need that...
[06:02] <Seveas> Palaiyot, #wine
[06:02] <j0nas`> java package has been removed from hoary-extras repository
[06:02] <j0nas`> gotta go by hand now
[06:02] <Seveas> #winehq even
[06:03] <Palaiyot> no one there
[06:03] <Seveas> j0nas`, even than you can install it properly
[06:03] <j0nas`> how so?
[06:03] <Seveas> with make-jpkg (exactly how the hoary-extras debs are made)
[06:03] <apokryphos> j0nas`: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JavaPackageBuildNewVersions
[06:04] <butcherbird> EnderNine, sorry dont use azureus that much maybe someone else can help.
[06:04] <j0nas`> nevertheless, how would you set the env variable?
[06:04] <EnderNine> butcherbird: alright, thanks anyway =p
[06:04] <Seveas> in /etc/bash.bashrc / /etc/profile / /etc/gdm.conf
[06:04] <Seveas> (all of them)
[06:04] <FallenOne> Saves : did u even read?
[06:04] <j0nas`> i cant imagine why you would need to set it in all 3 files...
[06:05] <Seveas> because the all reset the path depending on how you login...
[06:05] <j0nas`> oh okay
[06:05] <Seveas> FallenOne, yes and I do not believe that that's the exact error
[06:05] <Echelon-H> can anyone help me with playing midi files?
[06:05] <j0nas`> what about if i add a dir /etc/rc.d and set the variables in a script, say java.sh?
[06:06] <Seveas> wouldn't help
[06:06] <FallenOne> sigh let me check again...sigh
[06:06] <Seveas> because the all reset the path depending on how you login... <---- 'reset'
[06:06] <Rawn027> hello all, i have a quick questions on ppc64 ubuntu
[06:07] <Rawn027> when i go to shutdown or restart it freezes when my USB ports
[06:07] <snowowl> This is a stark, but I am starting a project to rewrite the linux kernel in common lisp - with comaptibilty, (extreme) modularity, correctness as main goals. Does anyone know of a similar project that I can reference.
[06:08] <j0nas`> how about if i created a symbolic link in /usr/local/bin, say "java", and added a link to the java path in alternatives?
[06:08] <j0nas`> would that work?
[06:08] <dr_willis> seen a Linux Perl kernel project once...  :P
[06:08] <dr_willis> as a joke.
[06:08] <ORiON2012> j0nas`: make-jpkg is your friend
[06:08] <dr_willis> j0nas`,  thats how ive done it in the past. but its proberly not needed now.
[06:09] <j0nas`> make-jpkg is a program?
[06:09] <Seveas> j0nas`, that's what installing it properly does...
[06:09] <odatubuntu> hello everyone
[06:10] <j0nas`> or is make-jpkg an apt command?
[06:10] <j0nas`> i dont see in my path
[06:10] <Seveas> read the wikipage you were given...
[06:10] <Frafra> can i receive fax on ubuntu?
[06:10] <ORiON2012> j0nas`: sudo apt-get install java-package
[06:10] <odatubuntu> anyone able to help with networking?
[06:11] <Jowi> odatubuntu: that is a very general question
[06:11] <odatubuntu> lol
[06:11] <odatubuntu> Jowi: i have a xp machine that i am able to access from ubuntu but not visa versa
[06:12] <Jowi> odatubuntu: via what? ssh, samba?
[06:13] <odatubuntu> jowi, samba
[06:14] <Jowi> !samba
[06:14] <ubotu> well, samba is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SettingUpSamba or https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently
[06:14] <Jowi> odatubuntu: have a look there :-)
[06:14] <GhostFreeman> Where would I place a replacement icon for Firefox?
[06:14] <odatubuntu> k
[06:14] <apsync> where can I see my system info (cpu speed,etc..)?
[06:15] <Da_SWAT> ompaul, for the record, Ubuntu breezy just recognized my DVD burner :D
[06:15] <ompaul> apsync, cd /proc and poke about in there
[06:15] <apsync> thank you
[06:15] <DewDude> breezy is nice
[06:15] <ORiON2012> yup
[06:16] <Jowi> apsync: hal-device-manager if you want something graphical
[06:16] <apsync> thanks
[06:17] <Palaiyot> anyone here got Ragnarok to run in WINE?????
[06:17] <ompaul> Da_SWAT, great, emmmm so are you going to do the brave thing and upgrade - or wait for release :)
[06:17] <dr_willis> Palaiyot,  check the wine forums perhaps?
[06:17] <Palaiyot> opsssss wrong chan sorry
[06:19] <jdermer> god limewire molests my bandwidth
[06:19] <dr_willis> :)
[06:19] <ompaul> Jowi, not really a patch on cat /proc/cpuinfo :)
[06:19] <apokryphos> Anyone want to test one of the sun torrents (http://www.giannaros.org/tor/bt/)?
[06:20] <dr_willis> downloading the sun?
[06:20] <jbroome> i don't have enough drive space for the sun
[06:20] <apokryphos> dr_willis: if you can, please test one of the sun debs there to see if it downloads for you
[06:20] <Jowi> ompaul: yeah that's my favourite as well. so much fun info in /proc :-)
[06:21] <Butcherbird-Jr> apokryphos, I got it but i dont see any peers or seeders
[06:21] <ThePyromaniac> hey guys
[06:21] <ThePyromaniac> what P2P software (if any) are you all using?
[06:21] <apokryphos> butcherbird: what pack and what client you got there?
[06:21] <ompaul> jbroome, just compress it using a black hole - and then we can all take this to #ubuntu-offtopic
[06:21] <dabaR> gtk-gnutella
[06:21] <jbroome> ompaul: :)
[06:21] <jbroome> noted
[06:21] <Butcherbird-Jr> apokryphos, sun-j2re1.4_1.4.2+09_i386.deb
[06:22] <ThePyromaniac> dabaR: may have to investigate. i tried limewire but i need new java but cant get it :(
[06:22] <ORiON2012> ThePyromaniac: mldonkey
[06:22] <ThePyromaniac> whats this i see about sun j2rel?
[06:22] <dr_willis> seems to be working for me.
[06:22] <apokryphos> Butcherbird-Jr: gar
[06:22] <dr_willis> firefox sent it to the gniome torrentt client and it took off. :P
[06:22] <apsync> when I want to run something with 'sudo' do I still need the './' (./something, sudo ./something, or just sudo something)
[06:22] <dr_willis> apsync,  of course
[06:22] <Da_SWAT> ompaul, I'm playing safe. I've been waiting for months (since the last release) so I can wait a few days more. Do you know the exact ETA?
[06:22] <apsync> ah ok
[06:23] <Butcherbird-Jr> apokryphos, now it is going
[06:23] <apokryphos> woo
[06:23] <ompaul> Da_SWAT, well the rumour mill says the 13th of October
[06:23] <apokryphos> Butcherbird-Jr: yeah, it may take time to get going. Excellent, it's working. :)
[06:23] <ThePyromaniac> so any of you know where i can get new sun j2re for 64-bit?
[06:23] <Da_SWAT> ompaul, I hope so. Then I can show breezy off at my LAN :D
[06:25] <ThePyromaniac> guys? How can i get new Java Runtime Envireoment?
[06:25] <fallenone> finaly
[06:25] <ThePyromaniac> i have looked on symantec
[06:25] <fallenone> lol
[06:25] <fallenone> it worked
[06:25] <fallenone> im alive!1
[06:25] <Jowi> wb fallenone
[06:25] <Da_SWAT> ThePyromaniac, download it?
[06:25] <ThePyromaniac> Da_SWAT : Now why did I think of that :p
[06:26] <darren_> Yesterday I installed about 200MB of updates. Today I can't seem to play music. I think that an update has affected the sound card. What can I do to rectify this?
[06:26] <sktrdie> jeez
[06:26] <ThePyromaniac> Da_SWAT: sun-j2re1.5 does not exist
[06:26] <sktrdie> I cannot find a guide on how to build a kernel from source
[06:26] <fallenone> can anyone help me :P
[06:26] <ORiON2012> ThePyromaniac: try https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JavaAMD64
[06:26] <fallenone> i cant see my other drives like C:/ D:/ and E:/ only file system 0.o
[06:26] <ThePyromaniac> nice, thanks dude
[06:26] <imnes> Is there a package I can reinstall that will wipe out and recreate the default menu structure?  After a run with the latest smeg, I can't get my menu back.
[06:27] <ompaul> !tell fallenone about ntfs
[06:27] <[LethAL] > fallenone, That's a feature, not a bug
[06:27] <imnes> Even after deleting my local .config/menu files
[06:27] <ThePyromaniac> imnes: yes, tell me if anyone answers. mine is messed
[06:27] <fallenone> ah
[06:27] <ORiON2012> ThePyromaniac: and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JavaPackageBuildNewVersions
[06:27] <fallenone> linux cant see ntfs file systems?
[06:27] <apokryphos> fallenone: it sure cna
[06:27] <apokryphos> s/cna/can/
[06:27] <ORiON2012> fallenone: yes it can
[06:27] <apokryphos> ubotu: tell fallenone abotu ntfs
[06:28] <Kuolio> ThePyromaniac: go to ubuntuforums, hoary support, amd64 forum and look for tamirs thread of amd64 packages, he has a repo with newes java and such, wich you can apt-get after adding hes repo to your sources.list
[06:28] <bob2> fallenone: there's a difference between "the partition is available and could be mounted" and "the partition is mounted in /mnt somewhere"
[06:28] <fallenone> thank u :D
[06:29] <ThePyromaniac> Thanks guys, I have had many responces to that one about amd64 stuff :D
[06:29] <fallenone> ok ...
[06:29] <fallenone> anyway
[06:29] <fallenone> anyone know a linux msn messenger
[06:29] <fallenone> behalf amsn
[06:29] <ThePyromaniac> GAIM
[06:29] <[LethAL] > Gaim
[06:29] <fallenone> because it sais this
[06:29] <fallenone> Details: Failed to execute child process "amsn" (No such file or directory)
[06:29] <bob2> fallenone: ignore it, use gaim
[06:29] <bob2> ignore amsn
[06:29] <[LethAL] > Mercury is good as well, if you can bear the UI
[06:29] <ompaul> fallenone, there are 426 people in the channel - please keep the oh and ah on the same line as the other comment - and if you do what I told you it will see that neanderthal technology file system
[06:30] <gn0me> Hey there, I upgraded to breezy and there's one little thing different that I am having trouble getting over.  Right-clicking the desktop, the first item used to be "New Terminal".. now it isn't.. anyone know how I could re-add that entry?
[06:30] <fallenone> ok...
[06:31] <fallenone> how the f*ck can i save the large mount file 0.0
[06:31] <[LethAL] > large mount file?
[06:31] <bob2> gn0me: apt-cache search nautilus terminal
[06:31] <bob2> gn0me: there's some other package you have to install to get it
[06:31] <odatubuntu> still having networking problems
[06:31] <odatubuntu> and that page you sent me too is frustrating
[06:32] <sertmann> !sound
[06:32] <ubotu> rumour has it, sound is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/DebuggingSoundProblems/
[06:32] <odatubuntu> it says (((Q: I don't have a 'Windows Networking' section, only Hostname and Domain-name. What do I do now?)))   and then no answer to it
[06:32] <[LethAL] > Does anybody know why when I do something remotely resource-intensive, rhythmnbox stutters? Any way round it?
[06:32] <sambagirl> which gaim should i download?
[06:32] <sambagirl> is there a icq for linux?
[06:32] <bob2> sambagirl: you already have it installed, use it
[06:32] <bob2> sambagirl: gaim also does icq
[06:32] <[LethAL] > s/rhythmnbox/rhythmbox
[06:32] <bob2> [LethAL] : use something other than rhythmbox
[06:33] <sambagirl> wow bob2 your awesome
[06:33] <ORiON2012> [LethAL] : what engine are you using?
[06:33] <[LethAL] > No idea which engine I'm using
[06:33] <ORiON2012> [LethAL] : sorry, RB, not amarok...
[06:33] <[LethAL] > lol
[06:33] <odatubuntu> bob2: sup man
[06:33] <scorpio2002> hi there!
[06:33] <[LethAL] > bob2, And you would recommend (For gnome)
[06:33] <scorpio2002> I've got a problem
[06:33] <sambagirl> i hate to ask this but where is it bob2?
[06:34] <scorpio2002> basically, whenever I try to use a command with su, I get "id program:name unknown"
[06:34] <sambagirl> bob2 they take your ops away?
[06:34] <ORiON2012> [LethAL] : muine is nice and minimal
[06:34] <ompaul> sambagirl, try applications - internet - some program
[06:34] <bob2> sambagirl: applications -> internet
[06:34] <bob2> sambagirl: no
[06:34] <bob2> [LethAL] : I use cplay, but it's not a gnome app. perhaps xmm.
[06:34] <scorpio2002> can you help me?
[06:34] <sambagirl> i found it gracias
[06:34] <ORiON2012> [LethAL] : personally, I love amaroK....   but no, I don't know why it would skip
[06:34] <sambagirl> ubuntu is awesome
[06:34] <fallenone> erm lol :P
[06:35] <fallenone> how can i save the mount thingie?
[06:35] <bob2> scorpio2002: so, don't use su, problems solved
[06:35] <apokryphos> ORiON2012: skip?
[06:35] <ORiON2012> [LethAL] : have you tried other players?  xmms or beep?
[06:35] <odatubuntu> sambagirl: heya does that mean you know a lot about samba?
[06:35] <[LethAL] > No, will do though
[06:35] <bob2> odatubuntu: hi
[06:35] <ORiON2012> apokryphos: ^^
[06:35] <[LethAL] > Do any have a Gnome-applet (plugin)
[06:35] <apokryphos> ORiON2012: what's the problem? amaroK skips?
[06:35] <ompaul> !tell scorpio2002 about root
[06:35] <scorpio2002> bob2, you must be joking... how can I now use su?
[06:35] <ORiON2012> apokryphos: no, RB skips for [LethAL] 
[06:36] <ORiON2012> apokryphos: stutters, whatever
[06:36] <bob2> scorpio2002: why would you bother? just use sudo
[06:36] <apokryphos> [LethAL] :  probably down to not having mp3 codecs; install akode-mpeg and gstreamer0.8-mad
[06:36] <imnes> They might need to consider removing smeg from ubuntu for final release, I've eventually lost my menu every time I've used it. Not a good experience especially for any new users trying things out.
[06:36] <scorpio2002> ok guys, it's always worked since yesterday....
[06:36] <apokryphos> [LethAL] : good idea to also install amarok-engines
[06:36] <sambagirl> sure i love samba i was born in bahia
[06:36] <sambagirl> home of samba
[06:36] <ORiON2012> apokryphos:  not using amarok
[06:36] <ORiON2012> apokryphos: no KDE involved
[06:36] <bob2> imnes: have you filed a bug?
[06:36] <apokryphos> ORiON2012: you're not, or they're not?
[06:37] <scorpio2002> bob2, you know? I'm stupid :| :D
[06:37] <sambagirl> ohh you mean computer samba?
[06:37] <sambagirl> no
[06:37] <ORiON2012> apokryphos: [LethAL] isn't
[06:37] <[LethAL] > I allready had gstreamer0.8-mad but I'll get akode-mpeg too
[06:37] <ORiON2012> [LethAL] : no you don't need it
[06:37] <gwenks> guys, just a simple question but i hope u'll help a newbie... how do i get to adjust the resolution of my monitor? pls...
[06:37] <fallenone> how do i save this : http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/files/winmac_fstab
[06:37] <apokryphos> ORiON2012: so what's all this about amarok then, with them?
[06:37] <apokryphos> ubotu: tell gwenks about resolution
[06:37] <bob2> fallenone: hwo do you normally save files with firefox?
[06:37] <apokryphos> gwenks: the link ubotu just gave you hsa the solution =)
[06:38] <pvh> The KDE applications I have installed are no longer appearing in my Applications menu. Why?
[06:38] <fallenone> erm i dont know 0.o
[06:38] <gwenks> i'm listening.. i mean reading... :)
[06:38] <odatubuntu> sambagirl, i am having some problems setting it up so i was hoping you could help
[06:38] <fallenone> oops srry bob :P
[06:38] <ORiON2012> apokryphos: confused amarok with RB at first, then I just said I like amarok out of all other music players
[06:38] <fallenone> i know it
[06:38] <Gnonthgo1> how to install (any) linux on my Comandore 386 Laptop?
[06:38] <bob2> pvh: if you're using ubuntu, that's to be expected
[06:38] <apokryphos> gwenks: follow that and you should be ok; if you have problems, come back here and let us know :)
[06:39] <bob2> Gnonthgo1: www.debian.org, assuming it has a floppy or cd driver, or can pxeboot
[06:39] <darren_> Something seems to be blocking my soundcard. Any help on finding out what it is?
[06:39] <pvh> bob2: I am using Ubuntu, but they were there before.
[06:39] <bob2> darren_: fuser -v /dev/dsp /dev/snd/*
[06:39] <apokryphos> darren_: lsof /dev/dsp ?
[06:41] <darren_> They both return nothing
[06:41] <fallenone> erm looky bob
[06:41] <fallenone> fallenone@j35089:~$ sudo bash winmac_fstab
[06:41] <fallenone> Password:
[06:41] <fallenone> bash: winmac_fstab: No such file or directory
[06:41] <darren_> darren@Nexus:~$ fuser -v /dev/dsp /dev/snd/*
[06:41] <darren_> darren@Nexus:~$ lsof /dev/dsp
[06:41] <darren_> darren@Nexus:~$
[06:42] <apokryphos> darren_: do not paste in here
[06:42] <apokryphos> fallenone: same for you
[06:42] <bob2> fallenone: is that really surprising? you're not in the dir that the file is.
[06:42] <fallenone> ok
[06:42] <fallenone> erm its on desktop
[06:42] <bob2> yes
[06:42] <bob2> so cd Desktop
[06:42] <apokryphos> fallenone: and you're not there
[06:43] <elad_> How do I quit X?
[06:43] <fallenone> sorry :( im just new to linux
[06:43] <bob2> elad_: are you compiling nvidia junk?
[06:43] <elad_> No.
[06:43] <elad_> I just want to find out how to quit X. Nothing behind this.
[06:43] <bob2> elad_: then ctrl-alt-f1
[06:43] <bob2> or sudo invoke-rc.d gdm stop
[06:43] <bob2> depending on what your aim is
[06:44] <Config>  Hi... I could use some help - I have updated to hoary and suddenly, hd performance goes down like hell (4mb/sec) - however, dma is turned on. Any idea?
[06:44] <bob2> Config: nforce?
[06:45] <fallenone> anyone know a good music program like winmx to download music on linux?
[06:45] <darren_> I can't hear any sounds and I need to listen to something. Any way to fix this?
[06:45] <apokryphos> fallenone: gtk-gnutella and limewire are the popular ones
[06:45] <elad_> bob2, it doesn't work.
[06:45] <gn0me> fallenone: Nicotine?
[06:45] <gn0me> Soulseek linux client
[06:45] <chicken-man> Hi every one ?
[06:45] <pvh> Nicotine doesn't connect to the bulk of Soulseek users anymore.
[06:45] <chicken-man> ooops
[06:45] <Config> bob2, no, a pretty old via
[06:45] <bob2> elad_: "doesn't work"?
[06:45] <pvh> I have switched to running the newest Soulseek under Wine, but it's a bit of a pain to get set up.
[06:45] <apokryphos> hi chicken-man :)
[06:45] <Config> bob2, VT8363/8365
[06:46] <bur[n] er> elad_: ctrl+alt+bksp
[06:46] <apokryphos> bur[n] er: that generally only restarts X
[06:46] <bob2> Config: file a bug I guess, then
[06:46] <fallenone> hmm i get a error when i start a music file :/
[06:46] <chicken-man> can i network a computer running ubuntu to a computer running winblows XP ?
[06:46] <bob2> chicken-man: sure
[06:46] <chicken-man> good :-P
[06:47] <apokryphos> ubotu: tell chicken-man about samba
[06:47] <gn0me> I like how you called it winblows to get accepted. :)
[06:47] <sertmann> could someone take a look at this: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=67151
[06:47] <chicken-man> :-D
[06:47] <[LethAL] > Speaking of Samba, anyone know why shares 'require' a login and don't accept it?
[06:47] <apokryphos> fallenone: you will of course have to produce more info than that
[06:47] <bob2> [LethAL] : because yo uconfigured them to require authentication
[06:47] <fallenone> i cannot paste so i cannot say it
[06:47] <bob2> which is kinda pointless, since SMB is insecure anyway
[06:47] <fallenone> here were no decoders found to handle the stream in file :D
[06:48] <chicken-man> i am writeing a guide for ubuntu :-)
[06:48] <apokryphos> ubotu: paste.ubuntulinux.nl
[06:48] <ubotu> Wish i knew, apokryphos
[06:48] <bur[n] er> smb is insecure?
[06:48] <apokryphos> erm
[06:48] <bur[n] er> how so bob2 ?
[06:48] <apokryphos> fallenone: paste.ubuntulinux.nl
[06:48] <bur[n] er> that sounds like FUD ;)
[06:48] <bob2> chicken-man: pleae do license it under the GPL or MIT/X11 license
[06:48] <chicken-man> bob2, i will :-P
[06:48] <bob2> yay
[06:48] <apokryphos> chicken-man: let us know in here when it's done =)
[06:48] <fallenone> Apo why that? do i need to post it there?
[06:48] <chicken-man> :-D
[06:49] <[LethAL] > bob2, The point is they don't accept my user password
[06:49] <apokryphos> fallenone: that's a pastebin. If you want, paste there, and then produce the url here
[06:49] <chicken-man> [LethAL] , try your root password ?
[06:49] <bob2> [LethAL] : great
[06:49] <bob2> chicken-man: no
[06:49] <ribbo> Hi, what happpens to home/<username> when upgrading and the main user you are creating in the upgrade is the same username? /home is mounted on a different partition than /
[06:49] <chicken-man> bob2, ?
[06:49] <bob2> bur[n] er: hm, I can't find any linke aside from those for lanman 1
[06:50] <[LethAL] > Something's broke...
[06:50] <fallenone> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2351
[06:50] <pvh> bob2: The KDE applications not appearing in the menu do appear (and are set to display) in the Menu Editor.
[06:50] <bob2> pvh: ok
[06:50] <chicken-man> pvh, go in kubuntu
[06:50] <bob2> ribbo: what does "ain user you are creating in the upgrade is the same username" mean?
[06:51] <pvh> chicken-man: ?
[06:51] <ORiON2012> fallenone: you need gstreamer0.8-mad
[06:51] <pvh> bob2: Are they deliberately suppressed? Sorry, I guess I didn't understand your point earlier.
[06:51] <chicken-man> pvh, if you need help with KDE go in kubuntu
[06:51] <bob2> pvh: I don't know
[06:51] <pvh> chicken-man: It's not a KDE bug, it's a Gnome bug. (Bug? Feature?)
[06:51] <bob2> pvh: my point before is that they will not appear without manual intervention
[06:52] <ribbo> bob2: I am upgrading from Warty to Breezy, the only user on my system will be the same in theupgrade. What I am asking is whether or not my /home/ribbo directory would be overwritten
[06:52] <apokryphos> pvh: that's not to do with KDE
[06:52] <bob2> ribbo: that's going to screw up
[06:52] <chicken-man> pvh, oh
[06:52] <bob2> ribbo: please stop before you break things terribly
[06:52] <fallenone> how can i get this gstreamer0.8-mad
[06:52] <ribbo> bob2: thought so, that is why I am asking
[06:52] <bob2> ribbo: no, because you're going warty to breezy, which is explicitly not supported
[06:52] <bob2> ribbo: upgrade to hoary, then, if you insist, breezy
[06:52] <apokryphos> fallenone: make sure you have the repos, and install from synaptic
[06:53] <bob2> ribbo: no upgrade is ever going to touch /home. tho
[06:53] <ORiON2012> fallenone: the same way you get the rest of your software in Ubuntu, apt-get or synaptic
[06:53] <ORiON2012> or aptitude....
[06:53] <ribbo> bob2: sorry will be going to Hpary not Breezy .. typo
[06:54] <ribbo> bob2: thanks
[06:54] <fallenone> wtf is repos and synapatic? i just installed linux and i got the live cd and the install cd
[06:54] <fallenone> !theme
[06:54] <ubotu> parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, fallenone
[06:54] <fallenone> !themes
[06:54] <ubotu> themes is, like, at http://art.ubuntu.com -  http://art.gnome.org - http://www.gnome-look.org - http://kdelook.org - http://themes.freshmeat.net/browse/58/ - http://themes.freshmeat.net/browse/57/ - http://www.guistyles.com
[06:55] <ORiON2012> fallenone: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewToUbuntu read it, then ask questions
[06:55] <bob2> if you want ubuntu to have the proper firefox logo, bitch at mozilla.org
[06:55] <bob2> it's their decision
[06:56] <bur[n] er> not that... I use my own
[06:56] <bur[n] er> but the human theme shouldn't include anything ;)
[06:56] <bur[n] er> or at least switch both firefox and thunderbird ;)  looks funny to have a globe next to my thunderbird icon
[06:57] <bloodnik> !repos
[06:57] <ubotu> repos is, like, at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto A list of official repositories can be found at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969
[06:58] <darren_> My sound isn't working anymore. I installed a few updates yesterday and the system was fine. When I booted up today the only sound I got was the login screen loading up. Can anyone help?
[06:58] <adamh> I've set up a hostap-based access point. Clients receive an address via DHCP, but they can't ping the access point (or the rest of the Internet). Any ideas?
[06:58] <adamh> tcpdump on the ap shows an "arp who-has" without a reply
[06:58] <odatubuntu> anyone able to help with samba networking?
[07:00] <chicken-man> can any one give me some advice on a good engine to use to make 3D games in Linux ?
[07:00] <ORiON2012> darren_: GNOME has no sound events... ?  Or within specific applications?
[07:00] <chicken-man> for C++
[07:00] <adamh> chicken-man: Well, the Quake 3 engine is pretty cool... it's only in C
[07:00] <darren_> ORiON2012, GNOME has no sound events
[07:00] <darren_> I think that the soundcard is blocked
[07:00] <chicken-man> adamh, i don't do C :-)
[07:01] <darren_> How do I check what's using it and terminate the process?
[07:01] <adamh> chicken-man: I was reading about "sylphis3d" yesterday... it looks totally awesome, I dunno what languages it supports though
[07:01] <ORiON2012> darren_: is ESD enabled?
[07:01] <chicken-man> adamh, i'll take a look
[07:01] <ORiON2012> darren_: System->Prefs->Sound->Enable sound server
[07:01] <bob2> I'm not sure 3d game engines would fit a in an ubuntu newbie guide...
[07:01] <Soldier_laptop> hola
[07:02] <Soldier_laptop> alguien me puede decir como escuchar la radio por internet'
[07:02] <Soldier_laptop> ?
[07:02] <deFrysk> !es
[07:02] <ubotu> Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #ubuntu-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda.
[07:02] <bob2> Soldier_laptop: pretty clearly not a spanish-speaking channel
[07:02] <darren_> ORiON2012, that's already enabled
[07:02] <ORiON2012> darren_: is your card unmuted?
[07:03] <darren_> How do I check that?
[07:03] <ORiON2012> darren_: should be a little volume icon in the panel
[07:03] <mititelu> how can i make an old printer work, it's connectet via old way printer port
[07:03] <ORiON2012> darren_: or use alsamixer on CLI
[07:04] <sertmann> hmmm still playing around with my non-working sound, why does everyone seem to be using 2.6.12x kernel when the highest kernel-image i can find is 2.6.8-1?
[07:04] <bob2> mititelu: use the printer dialog to add it...
[07:05] <bur[n] er> sertmann: 2.6.12 is on breezy
[07:05] <bob2> sertmann: because you're using warty from mid 2004
[07:05] <bur[n] er> aww. warty even
[07:05] <sertmann> hmmm
[07:05] <sertmann> but
[07:05] <sertmann> im on breezy
[07:05] <mititelu> bob2 where is that, i have a hp deskjet 840C
[07:05] <fallenone> ok lol
[07:05] <bob2> sertmann: then you removed ubuntu-desktop
[07:05] <bur[n] er> mititelu: system -> administration -> printing
[07:05] <bob2> which was silly
[07:05] <fallenone> how the damnit can i find multiverse universe to download getstreamer mad
[07:06] <mititelu> k, thanks
[07:06] <Soldier_laptop> im sorry
[07:06] <bob2> fallenone: /msg ubotu repositories
[07:06] <ORiON2012> fallenone: you obviously didn't read, that's all covered in the wiki page I sent you too
[07:06] <Proof> what program supports exe for ubuntu?
[07:06] <ORiON2012> fallenone: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUbuntuUsers under MP3, Flash, Java, and other Proprietary Formats
[07:07] <bob2> Proof: none, in general
[07:07] <bob2> Proof: wine can run some programs, appcd.codeweavers.com
[07:07] <redon2> what's the correct way of installing a .deb I downloaded? (the Opera browser, to be more specific)
[07:08] <ORiON2012> redon2: sudo dpkg -i foo.deb
[07:08] <redon2> thanks man
[07:08] <ORiON2012> redon2: it will complain if they're are unmet dependencies
[07:08] <ORiON2012> cool spelling
[07:11] <HiddenFly> when i try to install cvs cedega, it tells me during installation to delete /usr/X11R6/lib/libGL.a. would that be a stupid move or is it ok to do it without breaking something?
[07:11] <redon2> why wouldn't the system be able to find 'make' in $PATH?
[07:11] <bob2> that's a very bad idea
[07:11] <ORiON2012> redon2: if it's not installed
[07:11] <bob2> redon2: because you didn't install build-essential
[07:12] <redon2> it's essential, shouldn't the base installer take care of essential packages?
[07:12] <redon2> anyway, `apt-get install build-essential'?
[07:12] <HiddenFly> bob2: yea thats what i thought, anyways i could still install cedega? it doesnt let me continue after that message
[07:12] <ORiON2012> redon2: essential to building, not to the base system
[07:12] <redon2> ah
[07:12] <redon2> all right, thanks again.
[07:12] <HiddenFly> i mean, is there any way to install it without deleting the file
[07:13] <Proof> i need to run a cd, but it's exe I've also tried installing wine but no success
[07:13] <pvh> HiddenFly: Actually, I believe it's alright.
[07:13] <pvh> HiddenFly: My advice is to rename rather than to delete the file.
[07:13] <fallenone> when i brouwse to my hard disc everytime i click on a folder it opens a new widow , how can i solve this?
[07:13] <ORiON2012> redon2: I'll bet there are people on Ubuntu that have never compiled a piece of software
[07:13] <bob2> HiddenFly: that's ridiculous
[07:13] <HiddenFly> yea i was just thinking about renaming
[07:13] <matitaccia> Hello! I have got a very old notebook. It's still a 486 it works perhaps at 66mhz (don't remember) and has something like 36 mb Ram. I would like to use it with a very small linux installation. Note: I don't have any cdrom drive.
[07:13] <ORiON2012> redon2: not that that's a bad thing
[07:13] <pvh> HiddenFly: If all hell breaks loose, move it back. I believe it conflicts with something.
[07:13] <HiddenFly> ok
[07:13] <bob2> wtf does it care about the static GL lib?
[07:13] <HiddenFly> so im gonna rename it and put a text file to my dekstop telling me the names so i dont forget them
[07:13] <HiddenFly> dunno
[07:14] <Proof> I cannot even install limewire or any audio codecs.
[07:14] <pvh> HiddenFly: Do some googling if you are (rightly) skeptical.
[07:14] <HiddenFly> it says that that file prevents linking to opengl
[07:14] <HiddenFly> k
[07:14] <pvh> HiddenFly: But I can tell you that it WFM.
[07:14] <redon2> ORiON2012, really? Conformists :)
[07:14] <HiddenFly> WFM?
[07:14] <pvh> worked for me
[07:14] <HiddenFly> k
[07:14] <matitaccia> Should I better go to some linux channel, instead of the ubuntu one?
[07:15] <bob2> matitaccia: yes
[07:15] <[LethAL] > matitaccia, apparently Damn SMall Linux would be good
[07:15] <matitaccia> bob2, thanks, was already going.
[07:15] <matitaccia> [LethAL] , thanks.
[07:15] <apsync> how can I find out the kernel version?
[07:16] <Config> apsync, uname -a
[07:16] <apsync> thank you
[07:16] <Proof> Hm, I click tools/wineinstall but nothing happens after i choose '' run ''. What should I do?
[07:16] <bur[n] er> can anyone recommend a gtk-based scanning program?
[07:17] <HiddenFly> erm, what is the terminal command for renaming? im a bit noob on these things :P
[07:17] <ORiON2012> bur[n] er: scanning like network or image?
[07:17] <apokryphos> HiddenFly: rename or mv
[07:17] <filleokus> can some help me to identify wich desklets that they us as a menu on this screen http://vidalinux.com/gallery/albums/album01/screen_vlos_02.sized.png ?
[07:17] <bob2> HiddenFly: mv
[07:17] <filleokus> please!
[07:17] <HiddenFly> thx
[07:17] <bur[n] er> ORiON2012: image... like on my HP PSC 1209 :)
[07:17] <bob2> does "rename" DTRT if you only give it two arguments?
[07:17] <bob2> filleokus: please try to not be annoying
[07:17] <filleokus> what?
[07:17] <ORiON2012> bur[n] er: xsane has a nice plugin for gimp, or just use xsane by itself
[07:17] <filleokus> sorry but i want to know wich one
[07:18] <HiddenFly> mv is move
[07:18] <bur[n] er> i like the gimp plugin idea... i have never attempted linux scanning before :)
[07:18] <HiddenFly> not rename
[07:18] <bur[n] er> thanks ORiON2012
[07:18] <bob2> filleokus: then ask, once, and wait
[07:18] <bob2> HiddenFly: how are they different things?
[07:18] <HiddenFly> dunno :P
[07:18] <filleokus> oh, u mean a "please" is not so good?
[07:18] <apokryphos> HiddenFly: mv <oldname> <newname>
[07:19] <HiddenFly> ok lol
[07:19] <apokryphos> bob2: apparently not
[07:19] <HiddenFly> sry for my noobiness
[07:19] <filleokus> does gdesklets have an irc channel?
[07:19] <apsync> uname -m returns i686, this means I have a i686 machine? or i686 version?
[07:20] <bur[n] er> filleokus: just open gdesklets and look for that widget, you'll find it
[07:20] <fallenone> anyone know some cool theme for ubuntu??
[07:20] <ORiON2012> filleokus: #gdesklets on GIMPnet (irc.gnome.org)
[07:20] <darren_> What is "gam_serve" ?
[07:20] <ngmlinux_> FINALLY
[07:21] <bur[n] er> fallenone: gperfection!  www.gnome-look.org
[07:21] <filleokus> widget?
[07:21] <filleokus> xplain a bit more
[07:21] <jontiz> ?
[07:21] <bur[n] er> filleokus: you don't know what I mean when I say widget?  go read :P
[07:22] <ngmlinux_> please do not post links to websites, bur[n] er, read irc-doc
[07:22] <bur[n] er> ngmlinux_: you kidding?
[07:22] <bur[n] er> ngmlinux_: ubotu is full of links
[07:22] <filleokus> bur[n] er: What? Cant u xplain, it's easyer for me
[07:23] <sertmann> just tried to apt-get ubuntu-desktop, which did indeed install upgrade 20 or so packages, but i still only get the option to install 2.6.8-1 kernel, which repo is it supposed to be in?
[07:23] <bob2> ngmlinux_: what are you talking about?
[07:23] <bob2> sertmann: past your /etc/apt/sources.list to #flood
[07:23] <jontiz> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Widget
[07:24] <sertmann> bob2, ok, hold on...
[07:24] <pussfeller> is there native drivers now for linksys wmp54g based on broadcoms?
[07:24] <pussfeller> or just the newer broadcoms chipsets
[07:25] <odatubuntu> anyone able to help me work out a samba problem?
[07:25] <filleokus> bur[n] er: I cant find anything that look like the picture, but on the websiter for vidia ( the distro the screen was shot on) they say that they use gdesklets
[07:25] <[LethAL] > odatubuntu, What is it?
[07:26] <Proof> What mp3 encoder should i download?
[07:27] <odatubuntu> LethAl, i am able to access my xp machine but not visa versa
[07:27] <sertmann> bob2, there
[07:27] <bob2> sertmann: well, you have other kernels available
[07:28] <[LethAL] > odatubuntu, DO you have samba installed? You might just have samaba-client
[07:28] <odatubuntu> [LethAL] , samba is installed i can see my machine on the ubuntu network but i can't access it because i don't know the password
[07:28] <filleokus> bur[n] er: There aint no "application lanuchers" in gdesklets
[07:29] <[LethAL] > odatubuntu, I'm having the same problem
[07:29] <bob2> sertmann: er, they're not called kernel-image
[07:29] <bob2> sertmann: and never have been in ubuntu
[07:29] <sertmann> ah...
[07:29] <bob2> sertmann: sudo aptitude install linux-686
[07:29] <[LethAL] > odatubuntu, I can't even access my shares locally
[07:29] <Hoxzer> can somebody help me to use direct connect?
[07:29] <darren_> Is the person with the sound problem still here?
[07:30] <[LethAL] > darren_, Which one?
[07:30] <odatubuntu> [LethAL] ,  can you access your stuff from an xp machine?
[07:30] <sertmann> ah, that might be the reason then :)
[07:30] <[LethAL] > I don't have one, but apparently not
[07:30] <Jowi> odatubuntu: back from shopping. can you put your /etc/samba/smb.conf in the pastebin please
[07:30] <Jowi> !pastebin
[07:30] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, pastebin is a site where you can post large texts and screenshots so you don't flood the channel. You can find it at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl
[07:31] <filleokus> bur[n] er: Please cant u tell me what the name is
[07:32] <filleokus> i most now
[07:32] <filleokus> know now i mean
[07:32] <ngmlinux_> figured out my own error in the time it took to register on IRC :-)
[07:32] <sertmann> linux686 doesn't seem to exist
[07:34] <darren_> [LethAL] , the person that updated to breezy
[07:34] <scenestar> hey
[07:34] <[LethAL] > Unlikely to be me then
[07:34] <scenestar> quick question
[07:34] <bur[n] er> filleokus: look under "toolbar/launchers" and it's called "StarterBar" :P
[07:35] <filleokus> is it that one?
[07:35] <scenestar> for ubuntu, is there a gnome-core package
[07:35] <scenestar> without the entire open office suite etc?
[07:35] <filleokus> fuck, i need to use it in xfce and it just work under gnome
[07:35] <odatubuntu> jowi, http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2352
[07:35] <mumbles> wah who hilighed me ?
[07:35] <apokryphos> scenestar: there is
[07:35] <Jowi> odatubuntu: ok, brb
[07:35] <apokryphos> scenestar: search for packages using apt-cache search <package>
[07:36] <scenestar> allready did
[07:36] <mumbles> bur[n] er mumbles about people being lazy --- oh no one wanted me
[07:36] <bur[n] er> lol
[07:36] <apokryphos> scenestar: or, on here, /msg ubotu find <package>
[07:36] <mumbles> goes back to working on website
[07:36] <apokryphos> scenestar: it's in Universe; enable that repository, then you can get it.
[07:36] <bur[n] er> filleokus: that's not true either
[07:36] <Marconian> hi
[07:36] <apokryphos> scenestar: of course, it's just a metapackage
[07:36] <Marconian> i have a problem
[07:36] <scenestar> ah ok, i suspected that
[07:36] <Marconian> my optical mouse doesnt work
[07:37] <Marconian> :(
[07:37] <scenestar> i hate that sources list
[07:37] <scenestar> its so nub friendly :P
[07:37] <Marconian> can anybody help me?
[07:37] <filleokus> bur[n] er: Huh? If u open the source of that one it says on the top: !-- The GNOME Starter Bar - you need GNOME to use it -->
[07:38] <bur[n] er> filleokus: worked for me under xfce
[07:38] <Marconian> please?
[07:38] <filleokus> Nice: Ok one last question: Where do i find icons, or "widgets" :D ?
[07:38] <Absenth> I don't suppose anyone here has connected Evolution to an exchange 5.5 server?
[07:39] <Absenth> filleokus, art.gnome.org ?
[07:39] <redon2> where are the kernel sources if not in /usr/src?
[07:39] <xareum> hello, I have downloaded ubuntusetup.sh from ubuntu forums and I have the next error when apt-get update runs:
[07:39] <xareum> W: GPG error: ftp://mirror.mcs.anl.gov hoary Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 40976EAF437D05B5
[07:39] <xareum> W: GPG error: ftp://mirror.mcs.anl.gov hoary-updates Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 40976EAF437D05B5
[07:39] <xareum> W: GPG error: ftp://mirror.mcs.anl.gov hoary-security Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 40976EAF437D05B5
[07:39] <xareum> W: Tal vez quiera ejecutar 'apt-get update' para corregir estos problemas
[07:39] <filleokus> maybee, but i want a bit more cool icons
[07:39] <bur[n] er> filleokus: gdesklets.gnomedesktop.org
[07:39] <filleokus> oh bur[n] er u is a god!
[07:39] <redon2> xareum, no pegues tantas lineas seguidas!
[07:39] <nomike> hi
[07:39] <bur[n] er> oh oh oh, icons... nevermind that site... art.gnome.org or gnomelook.orgf
[07:39] <odatubuntu> jowi, any hints??
[07:40] <ompaul> xareum, 1) no pasting 2) use pastebin.ubuntulinux.nl
[07:40] <Hoxzer> can somebody help me to use dcgui?
[07:40] <redon2> this channel is chaotic. where are the kernel sources? (tried /usr/src)
[07:40] <xareum> ok, sorry
[07:40] <butcherbird> Slightly offtopic: Anyone here speak mandarin or recommend any software in repos that might help a student? Thinking I might have to resort to wine for some windows softare
[07:40] <filleokus> ok thanx anyway
[07:40] <nomike> I have a HP LaserJet 4Plus attached to LPT1 and the printer is working fine. But now I want to print to it from a windows client....Samba file sharing is working. Any suggestions on how to get this running?
[07:40] <scx> hello all
[07:41] <Jowi> odatubuntu: might be that your share name is a bit off since it contain a space. try to put quotes around it and try to add this to the bottom of the smb.conf: force group = sambauser. Also, make sure that your workgroup "MSHOME" is set to the same in Windows. When you try to connect to Ubuntu from Windows it should pop up a dialog box asking for a user and a password. does it?
[07:41] <scenestar> butcherbird: google it
[07:41] <xareum> redon2, sabes qeu me puede estar pasando?
[07:41] <ompaul> redon2, cd /usr/src/ and have a look if they are not there then you need to download them
[07:41] <butcherbird> scenestar, no you are my slave find and bring it back to me
[07:41] <Butcherbird-Jr> butcherbird, stop causing trouble
[07:41] <redon2> ompaul, they're not there. how can I get apt-get to fetch them?
[07:41] <filleokus> i need "cool" icons for webbrowser, mai, on and off, etcetcetc
[07:42] <filleokus> not gnome icons
[07:42] <Proof> lol.
[07:42] <odatubuntu> jowi, no it doesn't even show the icon for this computer yet besides i don;t know the password
[07:42] <redon2> xareum, no lo se. this is an English channel anyway.
[07:42] <Jowi> odatubuntu: then disable the firewall
[07:42] <ompaul> redon2, which kernel version are you running?
[07:42] <Jowi> odatubuntu: in winxp; disable firewall.
[07:42] <redon2>  2.6.12-8-amd64-generic
[07:43] <odatubuntu> jowi, i use zonealarm in windows and i have it setup to allow connection from this machine via ip addy
[07:43] <ompaul> butcherbird, have a look at redflag linux ... if you can't find what you want in ubuntu
[07:43] <Marconian> my ps2 optical mouse doesnt work
[07:43] <bur[n] er> odatubuntu: u run smbpasswd -a on the linux box?
[07:43] <Marconian> the laser is tuned off during the boot
[07:43] <Marconian> :(
[07:43] <filleokus> i need "cool" icons for webbrowser, mai, on and off, etcetcetc, somebody that gots an idea?
[07:43] <Marconian> can anyone help me on this?
[07:43] <filleokus> yes i can
[07:43] <Jowi> odatubuntu: when it ask you for a username and password you just have to use your own ubuntu username and password. Yeah i use zonealarm on my Win2k machine and it DOES block traffic anyway. you should minimum see the ubuntu share. if you don't its probably zonealarm blocking it.
[07:43] <Marconian> please
[07:43] <butcherbird> ompaul, redflag,, good idea ty
[07:44] <Marconian> filleokus :)
[07:44] <ompaul> redon2, go to system administration synaptic and then click on repositories
[07:44] <filleokus> run "sudo dpkg-rconfgiure xserver-xorg
[07:44] <ompaul> butcherbird, never ever say w*s to me  :-) it just makes me mad, as the hulk said :)
[07:44] <redon2> ompaul, what next?
[07:45] <mititelu> i have a problem with my printer, hp 840C, i installed it (selected hpijs as driver) and when i try to print instead of printing text it makes some black lines
[07:45] <ompaul> Marconian, there are a lot of things going on - please wait a few minutes like 10 / 15 and if no body has said anything to you then ask again
[07:45] <mititelu> won't work with any other driver
[07:45] <Jowi> odatubuntu: as soon as i disable zonealarm i am able to see my ubuntu share :)
[07:45] <ompaul> redon2, there is a repositories button
[07:46] <redon2> Yes, I'm looking at the repository list.
[07:46] <ompaul> redon2, you need to add source
[07:47] <ompaul> redon2, click on settings and show hidden repos
[07:47] <redon2> oh ok... should I switch back to the other repository after I finish this?
[07:47] <IceShaman> how do I play minesweeper on ubuntu?
[07:47] <ompaul> no you never turn them off just on :)
[07:47] <Jowi> IceShaman: the same way as in windows?
[07:47] <svu> is there a way to setup normal rsync server (without ssh) on ubuntu?
[07:47] <redon2> ok cool
[07:47] <mititelu> i have a problem with my printer, hp 840C, i installed it (selected hpijs as driver) and when i try to print instead of printing text it makes some black lines, with other drivers it won't even do that
[07:48] <mititelu> what can i do...
[07:48] <ompaul> redon2, may be the source be with you
[07:48] <IceShaman> I typed 'LOAD minesweeper' in /etc/fstab but it isn't working
[07:48] <scenestar> IceShaman: have you trried browsing the repository yet
[07:48] <creart> hi all, a question; how do i set my removeable Harddisc to "write mode" ??
[07:49] <redon2> what category should it be into, ompaul?
[07:49] <ompaul> Marconian, so do tell us more about this mouse, is it usb? and which version of ubuntu are you running
[07:49] <HiddenFly> i got cvs cedega installed now, but when i write cvscedega as told in the instructions, nothing happens, whats wrong?
[07:50] <Jowi> IceShaman: nice try. try gnomine instead
[07:50] <creart> anyone, a
[07:50] <IceShaman> who?
[07:50] <creart> little help with a harddisc?
[07:50] <scenestar> creart: wait your turn
[07:50] <Jowi> creart: be specific
[07:51] <creart> fair enough
[07:51] <ompaul> redon2, click all and then on the right hand side click and start to type kernel you will find the info you need
[07:51] <odatubuntu> this is ridicolous
[07:51] <Sarr-chan> Please, help me. I need to install a i386 version of ubuntu instead of my amd64 one. Yesterday I both tried 1 Hoary and 1 Breezy .iso. When I get to insert Full Name, username and password 2 times it just makes me do it again, and again and so on. When I choose Go Back and selects the next point in the install (w/o inserting a pass) it installs everything, and asks me to remove the cd and...
[07:51] <Sarr-chan> ...reboot. I do so. When Im on the next stage of the install, it tells me that I inserted a blank password. And makes me enter a new password. And the same bug occurs. I need to do it again and again. And when I just ignore that stage of installing, it countinues. But when I boot ubuntu i cant login with any password, or even a blank password field. Please help me.
[07:52] <Jowi> odatubuntu: so it worked fine by shutting down zonealarm?
[07:52] <redon2> I just can't find it. I can't find my exact kernel version there.
[07:52] <redon2> Are you sure its there?
[07:52] <scenestar> redon uname -a
[07:52] <ompaul> redon2 sorry it is, I forgot a step :-/
[07:52] <Sarr-chan> hey hey, help me guys..
[07:53] <ompaul> redon2 tell it to reload
[07:53] <ompaul> or apply
[07:53] <creart> I got a external harddrive, which worked fine with Win-XP, but when connected to Ubuntu it says its write protected?! how do i change this?
[07:53] <odatubuntu> jowi, nope
[07:53] <Sarr-chan> <.< after writing all that, i want some help..
[07:53] <scenestar> Sarr-chan: and i want a pony
[07:53] <ompaul> Sarr-chan, I am reading it
[07:53] <redon2> Also, I couldn't find that "Show hidden repositories" option you were telling me about.
[07:53] <Sarr-chan> =P
[07:54] <Sarr-chan> ompaul: thanks =D
[07:54] <odatubuntu> jowi, i still don't know how to set the password
[07:54] <ompaul> redon2, several steps back - settings repositories settings
[07:54] <odatubuntu> jowi, i have swat installed but i can't access it
[07:54] <ompaul> redon2, thats hidden
[07:54] <ompaul> redon2, thats where hidden is
[07:55] <scenestar> wouldnt it just ve easier to uncomment in the sources.list file?
[07:55] <redon2> "Show disabled software sources" is the closest match I can see.
[07:55] <kahuna_> Hi
[07:55] <Jowi> odatubuntu: exactly what are you doing and what happens. Swat the game?
[07:55] <ompaul> redon2, if you can't do this then I do not think that you should be playing with the kernel you could break the machine in new and interesting ways
[07:55] <redon2> Oh, I am new to Ubuntu, that's all.
[07:55] <scenestar> ompaul: isnt that the way we learn?
[07:55] <odatubuntu> jowi, swat the webadmin for samba
[07:55] <unperson> Anyone here had luck installing Mathematica on their Ubuntu system?
[07:56] <wezzer> nope...
[07:56] <Jowi> odatubuntu: yeah, i know thanks :-)
[07:56] <Jowi> odatubuntu: but i don't use it myself.
[07:56] <redon2> I just want my damn kernel sources so I can compile ndiswrapper and a few other apps.
[07:56] <ompaul> scenestar, there are some breaks I would not wish on anyone
[07:56] <scenestar> redon2: slocate sources.list
[07:56] <scenestar> there should be a feww lines in there that are commented
[07:57] <scenestar> uncomment those and you will have acces to "the universe"
[07:57] <redon2> ahh
[07:57] <redon2> I see, well, thanks.
[07:57] <scenestar> dont forget to back it up first
[07:57] <scenestar> and IIRC you have to be root to change it
[07:57] <Sarr-chan> ompaul: any ideas?
[07:57] <Jowi> odatubuntu: in the link https://wiki.ubuntu.com//SettingUpSamba you will see there how to add a samba user.
[07:58] <markab3> how about installing the nForce3 drivers? i'm having kernal-source-tree problems
[07:58] <Jowi> odatubuntu: it's about on the middle of the page. read it and follow the guide. you can not fail.
[07:58] <unperson> I'd like to move our research group's main computer from Red Hat to Ubuntu, but we absolutely have to be able to run Mathematica on it.
[07:58] <odatubuntu> jowi, been there and i love this comment on it (((Q: I don't have a 'Windows Networking' section, only Hostname and Domain-name. What do I do now?)))   but there is not answer well guess what i need an answer
[07:59] <ompaul> Sarr-chan, no, md5sum both CDs
[07:59] <Sarr-chan> ompaul: done that.
[07:59] <sertmann> ok now on a 2.6.12 kernel, sounds still not working though, exact same errors
[08:00] <scenestar> ac97 codec?
[08:00] <sertmann> nah SBLive
[08:00] <Jowi> odatubuntu: i followed the guide and had no probs setting it up. works flawless here. you probably missed a step somewhere.
[08:00] <ompaul> Sarr-chan, I find it strange it will not just go for it
[08:00] <redon2> scenestar, ok, I uncommented the apropriate line, then did `apt-get update' but I still can't find sources for 2.6.12-8-amd64-generic. Where should I look? Synaptic isn't listing them.
[08:01] <sertmann> it's detected allright, in gnome device manager and all, and my user is in audio grups, but alsa claims it can't find it during boot
[08:01] <scenestar> redon2: apt-cache search kernel-image-2.6.12-8
[08:01] <odatubuntu> jowi, thanx for your help but i am not an idiot i have followed that thing a thousand time and i don't have that one section that they don't answer
[08:02] <Absenth> Is anyone here fairly familiar with Evolution?
[08:02] <Kernel-Kris> i am
[08:02] <redon2> no results :|
[08:02] <odatubuntu> it just silly that i can access my xp machine from ubuntu but not ubuntu from xp its not the firewall either
[08:02] <sertmann> all the output from different commands are posted here: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=67151
[08:02] <jbroome> Absenth: i have thumbs, that's about as far as my knowledge goes
[08:02] <Absenth> Kernel-Kris, Is there any information on how to perhaps Stroke Evolution into working with Exchange 5.5
[08:02] <Absenth> that was good, I liked that.
[08:03] <redon2> this is the line I uncommented from sources.list: deb-src http://ar.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu breezy universe
[08:03] <Kernel-Kris> Absenth, you've used the exchange connector?
[08:03] <redon2> IOne would think that corresponds to the 'src' of the 'universe' of packages meant for 'breezy'.
[08:03] <redon2> s/IOne/One
[08:04] <Absenth> Kernel-Kris, well, I launched Evolution for the first time on ubuntu, it asked me what kind of server I wanted, I chose exchange.  It asked for a Username, and a OWA
[08:04] <Jowi> odatubuntu: i don't have it either. it works for me anyway. alright. strange though.
[08:04] <ompaul> Sarr-chan, when you boot you might try the server install (typing server at the beginning) and after that apt-get ubuntu-desktop and build-essentials - it might work
[08:04] <Kernel-Kris> Absenth, for some  reason it doesnt work right like that you need to run ximian-connector-setup-2.2 from console
[08:04] <Absenth> Kernel-Kris, is there a seperate exchange connector I should be aware of perhaps?  When I use the Authenticate I get an error saying Exchange 5.5 isn't supported only 2000 and 2003
[08:04] <Kernel-Kris> Absenth, for some  reason it doesnt work right like that you need to run ximian-connector-setup-2.2 from console
[08:04] <Absenth> Kernel-Kris, fantastic.  I'll give that a shot.
[08:06] <[LethAL] > Does anyone know more about the sudoers file than man tells me?
[08:06] <Absenth> Kernel-Kris, "The  Exhange server URL you provided is for an Exchange 5.5 Server, Ximian Connector supports MS Exchange 2k, and 2k3 only."  Guess my mail server = old and busted :(
[08:06] <sertmann>  Capabilities: <available only to root> <-- is there something i can do to change this?
[08:07] <Kernel-Kris> Absenth, i thought the ximian-connector-setup-2.2 supported 5.5
[08:07] <Kernel-Kris> Absenth, let me check a lil
[08:07] <Absenth> Kernel-Kris, many thanks for the assistance.
[08:09] <ompaul> redon2, for fun /msg ubotu sources and restricted that should keep you busy for ohh 5 minutes :)
[08:10] <redon2> the bot isn't alive
[08:10] <redon2> I just did `apt-get install linux-headers-2.6.12-8-amd64-generic
[08:10] <redon2> '.
[08:11] <Gundjah> Does anyone know a good transparent desktop calendar app?
[08:11] <redon2> I'm now waiting for it to finish.
[08:12] <Gundjah> l
[08:12] <Jowi> Gundjah: if by transparent you mean transparent background, you can try gdesklets
[08:13] <Gundjah> Jowi - I mean a calendar with a transparent background
[08:14] <ompaul> redon2, get some messages from ubotu?
[08:14] <Jowi> Gundjah: gdesklets is the only app i have tried that has got something like that.
[08:15] <Kernel-Kris> Absenth, sorry looks like youll have to upgrade exchange.....lol
[08:15] <gearshifter> hello
[08:15] <sasch1> somehow I cant use us_intl keyboard anymore after upgrading to breezy and using fglrx? I have a us-keyboard but I need german "umlaute". Can anybody help please?
[08:15] <Absenth> Kernel-Kris, I figured.  That's a project for a few months from now.  I guess in the interim, I'll use Crossover to install Outleak.
[08:15] <Absenth> Kernel-Kris, Thanks for looking into it for me though.
[08:16] <redon2> thanks paul.
[08:16] <Jowi> sasch1: the keyboard option is in /etc/X11/xorg.conf. look for the option "XkbLayout"
[08:16] <gearshifter> I am also having a problem.  When attempting to install ubuntu (breezy edition).  I pressed enter to intall the normal editon.  The computer is having problems with loading things.  It went through initializing all my drivers etc and now it went to a black screen
[08:16] <Kromonos> I've added #ubuntu to my auto connect in xchat, but he always connect to #ubuntu-unregged. Why?
[08:16] <lsuactiafner> 12197: tree connect failed: ERRDOS - ERRnosuchshare (You specified an invalid share name)
[08:17] <lsuactiafner> trying to smb mout
[08:17] <lsuactiafner> mount -t smbfs -o username=tridge,password=foobar,lfs //192.168.0.4/J /mnt/02
[08:17] <Kernel-Kris> Absenth, i have always had problems with X-over and outlook......it always crashes on me when i want to send and recieve mail
[08:17] <lsuactiafner> remote share is a USB mobile drive
[08:17] <ompaul> Kromonos, also put the same password into server password and you will end up here
[08:18] <lsuactiafner> err i mean if i specify correcnt name
[08:18] <lsuactiafner> 12229: tree connect failed: ERRDOS - ERRnomem (Insufficient server memory to perform the requested function.)
[08:18] <Absenth> Kernel-Kris, worst case I just use the web interface
[08:18] <gearshifter> after i hit instalation when my cd of breezy boots.  IT runs through different inputs (aka keyboard etc) and it stops at my usb driver
[08:19] <Kernel-Kris> Absenth, well if you need help upgrading exchange let me know.....lol just did it
[08:19] <redon2> Finally, I am compiling the needed sources.
[08:19] <Absenth> Kernel-Kris, you spend much time here in #ubuntu?
[08:19] <Absenth> I'll probibly take you up on that offer once we get our action pack.
[08:19] <jc-denton> how can i tell my sys to automatically start beagle
[08:19] <jc-denton> its not in /etc/init.d
[08:19] <sasch1> Jowi: I found it..do I have to change it to "us_intl"?
[08:20] <Kernel-Kris> Absenth, a lil each day but i have MSN if not
[08:20] <ompaul> Kromonos, put the same password into nickserv into server password and you will end up here - you register by typing /msg nickserv register [your_password_here] 
[08:20] <apsync> with which extension can I compare (windows's) .exe files in linux?
[08:20] <Absenth> Kernel-Kris, mind if I add you?
[08:20] <ompaul> apsync, there is none
[08:20] <Kromonos> ompaul: thx
[08:20] <Kernel-Kris> Absenth, no its crazy_kirk@hotmail.com
[08:20] <Jowi> sasch1: probably. i don't know that keyboardlayout you are using specifically.
[08:20] <lsuactiafner> apsync : there is no extention, but sometimes ppl use .bin
[08:20] <apsync> hmm Ok...
[08:20] <Absenth> danke.
[08:21] <apsync> and what about virii
[08:21] <apsync> they use .bin? or none
[08:21] <sasch1> Jowi: its a simple us-keyboard
[08:21] <gearshifter> Anyone know what might be causing my initialization of the install to freeze?  It freezes when running through my ucf drivers
[08:21] <lsuactiafner> apsync : there is no virii for linux
[08:21] <ompaul> apsync, or type >>file Filename<< which will tell you what is in a file --- whats a virus this is linux you must be thinking of something else
[08:21] <redon2> ok now, what's the ubuntu way of setting up wifi cards?
[08:21] <rabbit78> [LethAl] : you also had a problem with usplash, right?
[08:21] <apsync> lol
[08:21] <apsync> cool :p
[08:21] <Jowi> sasch1: i'm european. french keyboard with swedish layout.
[08:22] <[LethAL] > rabbit78, Well, it doesn't /start/work/etc
[08:22] <D1> redon2, depends on your card.
[08:22] <lsuactiafner> apsync : linux is fundamentally secure, very difficult for a virus to run on linux because of user accounts, filesystems ect.
[08:22] <sasch1> Jowi: hehe, I am dutch, us keyboard without any options anymore
[08:22] <D1> ndiswrapper or the traditional way.
[08:22] <redon2> I just installed drivers for the card and is working.
[08:22] <redon2> Had to use ndiswrapper.
[08:22] <D1> ah.
[08:22] <ompaul> !tell redon2 about ndiscwrapper
[08:22] <Jowi> sasch1: ah. hehe
[08:22] <D1> I'd try using the gnome util
[08:22] <ompaul> !tell redon2 about ndiswrapper
[08:22] <redon2> yeah okl
[08:22] <D1> now that the card is detected and all.
[08:23] <D1> if not, then just manually with iwconfig and friends.
[08:23] <sasch1> Jowi: but why cant I use the Gnome-internal Keyboard selector anymore?
[08:23] <Jowi> sasch1: can't answer that either since i am not using gnome.
[08:23] <sasch1> Jowi: ok..restarting X
[08:24] <redon2> Starting the ssh daemon, how?
[08:24] <redon2> I was hoping there was an init script at /etc/init.d, but no.
[08:24] <Jowi> redon2: /etc/init.d/ssh start
[08:25] <redon2> that script isn't there, so I am assuming I have to install OpenSSH
[08:26] <Jowi> redon2: yeah that'll help :)
[08:26] <rabbit78> [LethAL] : I got it working. I had to remove the vga= and video= options from the kernel command line in /boot/grub/menu.lst
[08:26] <redon2> damn, this thing doesn't have anything I need installed by default
[08:27] <[LethAL] > rabbit78, I don't have either
[08:27] <ompaul> redon2, apt-get install build-essential you will want that for your compiler - remember this distro was not designed for the power user :)
[08:28] <nightswim> it wosnt? :(
[08:28] <ompaul> redon2, but many many of them use it :-) ease of use
[08:28] <ompaul> nightswim, see what happens if you jump in before I finish :-) hehehe
[08:29] <redon2> ease is what I'm looking for and still haven't found. j/k
[08:30] <pratyk> hi
[08:30] <rabbit78> [LethAl] : Then I don't know ... sorry
[08:30] <[LethAL] > rabbit78, No problem
[08:30] <Jowi> hello pratyk
[08:30] <[LethAL] > Grrr
[08:31] <pratyk> i'm having video driver problem with 865GBF board
[08:32] <fallenone> !themes
[08:32] <ubotu> from memory, themes is at http://art.ubuntu.com -  http://art.gnome.org - http://www.gnome-look.org - http://kdelook.org - http://themes.freshmeat.net/browse/58/ - http://themes.freshmeat.net/browse/57/ - http://www.guistyles.com
[08:33] <xor2k5> Hi!
[08:34] <jalvarezrom> hello all
[08:34] <xor2k5> I got the latest ubuntu, but networking doesn't work. The 8139too driver seems to be broken for my chip
[08:34] <xor2k5> Both Knoppix and Kanotix work, but Ubuntu doesn't want to let me use my network
[08:35] <lsuactiafner> xor2k5 : wont be the 8139 driver, since its a kernel driver. the kernel has no bugs
[08:35] <nerdunit> hello
[08:35] <lsuactiafner> xor2k5 : prolly the driver aint inserted in the kernel but the module insert scripts.
[08:35] <nerdunit> dang it took me forever to figure out what do to to get registered
[08:35] <jalvarezrom> I don't view the package file "java-package" in repositories. Where is it?
[08:35] <xor2k5> lsuactiafner: I inserted it manually
[08:36] <macavelimc> join #ubuntu channel
[08:36] <xor2k5> lsuactiafner: I configured the whole network - my IP and a gateway - in the console
[08:36] <Seveas> macavelimc, you're there already :)
[08:36] <Jowi> macavelimc: you're already here
[08:36] <Jowi> welcome
[08:36] <nerdunit> who can i chat to walk my through setting up ubuntu on my imac
[08:36] <[LethAL] > and goodbye
[08:36] <jalvarezrom> anyone know where is "java-package" in repositories? I'm looking for it
[08:37] <kemik> its been removed, legal issues
[08:37] <xor2k5> But however. What's the easiest way to build a linux-kernel package for ubuntu?
[08:37] <lsuactiafner> xor2k5 : then it is definatly the boot scripts that aint inserting int automatically
[08:37] <lsuactiafner> xor2k5 : not sure where ubuntu puts the command
[08:37] <xor2k5> lsuactiafner: They inserted it, but I deleted it and modprobed it again
[08:37] <macavelimc> can someone help me install JEdit??
[08:38] <odatubuntu> anyone familiar with swat for samba?
[08:38] <xor2k5> lsuactiafner: .oO(some network drivers need to be kicked)
[08:38] <dooglus> xor2k5: amazing.  I was just about to ask exactly the same question.  is there a guide somewhere to building the ubuntu kernel from source?
[08:38] <lsuactiafner> xor2k5 : not for ubuntu, but for your machine, the kernel is independant of ubuntu, but you wont get it right so dont bother, its not as difficult, but just too much effort to explain
[08:38] <lsuactiafner> its NOT an ubuntu kernel. its the linux kernel
[08:38] <lsuactiafner> the kernel is not dependant on ubuntu @ all
[08:38] <macavelimc> can someone help me install JEdit??
[08:38] <lsuactiafner> kernel.org <-- go there.
[08:38] <Jowi> macavelimc: it is not available in the repos. you're installing from source?
[08:39] <xor2k5> yeah, sure, but I guess the ubuntu guys patched it a little bit
[08:39] <dooglus> lsuactiafner: there are ubuntu specific kernel patches aren't there?
[08:39] <lsuactiafner> dooglus : no
[08:39] <lsuactiafner> dooglus : and there shouldnt be
[08:39] <xor2k5> And I want to build  a package, not just an image. Would be too easy
[08:39] <dooglus> lsuactiafner: oh
[08:39] <nerdunit> Please, i'm about to oull my hair out
[08:40] <xor2k5> So ubuntu uses the f*kn standard debian kernel?
[08:40] <dooglus> nerdunit: use a razor instead.  far less painful
[08:40] <lsuactiafner> !imac
[08:40] <ubotu> I don't know, lsuactiafner
[08:40] <ompaul> macavelimc, have you got sources for it?
[08:40] <nerdunit> I am attempting(very badly to install ubuntu on my apple imac
[08:40] <prof> alguien que hable espaol por aqui
[08:40] <ompaul> !es
[08:40] <ubotu> Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #ubuntu-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda.
[08:40] <lsuactiafner> xor2k5 : it uses sources from kernel.org and puts in every possible module it can. nothing special.
[08:40] <lsuactiafner> xor2k5 : just like slackware would do, its the correct way.
[08:41] <nerdunit> and  its not reading the cd
[08:41] <nerdunit> at least that what i think
[08:41] <xor2k5> lsuactiafner: Yeah, but why is 8139too broken then?
[08:41] <Nicks68> There must be some patches, like the AVI-radeon.
[08:41] <prof> no puedo montar mi disquete de 3 1/2 ayudenme por favor
[08:41] <lsuactiafner> tho slackware kernels have less options, but it works most of the time to get a running system, tho not always working, but definatly booting+running
[08:41] <xor2k5> lsuactiafner: I can't remember it being broken in a vanilla kernel
[08:41] <lsuactiafner> xor2k5 : do you listen @ all? <lsuactiafner> xor2k5 : prolly the driver aint inserted in the kernel but the module insert scripts
[08:42] <lsuactiafner> xor2k5 : you're being annoying. am going back to work.
[08:42] <redondos_> I'm finally free.
[08:42] <[LethAL] > free of what?
[08:42] <[LethAL] > Winblows?
[08:42] <xor2k5> lsuactiafner: do so, but though thx
[08:42] <redondos_> After installing ndiswrapper, I can now move my ass off the chair.
[08:42] <nerdunit> I burn the CD from my pc with deepburner and then attempted to boot to it and it simply ingnore my command and booted to the mac os that is currently installed
[08:42] <nerdunit> all i want is ubuntu on my imac
[08:43] <Dr_Willis> nerdunit,  have you googled for the alternative4 ways to make the thing boot the cd?
[08:43] <Jowi> nerdunit: i though you needed to press a key to boot from CD on an imac?
[08:43] <Dr_Willis> just "C" does not always work
[08:43] <nerdunit> I tried to do that and it didn;t work
[08:43] <odatubuntu> anyone familiar with swat for samba?
[08:43] <dave_> are there any extra repo's for the breezy preview?
[08:44] <nerdunit> I didn't find any other ways of booting from cd on google, just "C"
[08:44] <apokryphos> dave_: extra repos? There's plenty of mirrors, if that's what you mean.
[08:45] <yipangel> Could someone please answer a question for me about shockwave/flash?
[08:45] <zyph> i can't get my nvidia card up and running
[08:45] <zyph> well the accelerated drivers
[08:45] <dave_> apokryphos, like it says to do on ubuntuguide for hoary
[08:45] <ompaul> yipangel, is your question hard or easy (if you asked you could have found out by now :))
[08:45] <dave_> still a bit of a newbie
[08:45] <jessy> #ubuntu-fr
[08:45] <mchammer> ubuntuguide seems to be down
[08:45] <odatubuntu> zyph did you check synaptic?
[08:45] <yipangel> LOL!
[08:45] <Dr_Willis> nerdunit,  thers at least 3 ways.  ->   just googled and found -->  holding down shift-command-option-delete instead
[08:46] <yipangel> I need to update shockwave, and I'm not sure which version to install.
[08:46] <apokryphos> ubotu: tell dave_ about ubuntuguide
[08:46] <zyph> odatubuntu, does synaptic have the official accelerated drivers?
[08:46] <yipangel> the auto get doesn't work for that
[08:46] <mchammer> hi @all does anyone know how to run the version probe from the installer in a running ubuntu
[08:46] <nerdunit> command is open apple Right?
[08:46] <Red_Bullet> how can i close one channel in irssi
[08:46] <odatubuntu> zyph, yea
[08:46] <jbroome> Red_Bullet: /window close
[08:46] <Red_Bullet> blagodarq
[08:47] <Red_Bullet> ooo
[08:47] <Red_Bullet> 10x
[08:47] <Red_Bullet> :)
[08:47] <Dr_Willis> nerdunit,  no clue. - also you may want to be sure the caps lock is OFF.. hold down c.. reboot and KEEP the C held down..
[08:47] <zyph> odatubuntu, i'll have to check that again
[08:47] <dave_> apokryphos, still a bit of a newbie, :-/
[08:47] <LiberalTugboat> exit
[08:48] <zyph> odatubuntu, is that in the linux restricted modules?
[08:48] <pratyk> does any one know how to video driver in 865GBF intel boeard
[08:48] <nerdunit> okay i'll try again
[08:48] <fallenone> Nice im getting used to ubuntu :D
[08:48] <apokryphos> dave_: well, state what it is you're trying to do =)
[08:48] <zyph> because i have that installed
[08:48] <odatubuntu> zyph, go in synaptic and do a search for nvidia using the search names and descriptions
[08:48] <dave_> apokryphos, in hoary i think i had to add the repos to get xmms, thunderbird, etc
[08:48] <zyph> odatubuntu, i have done that
[08:49] <fallenone> does counterstrike run in linux ubuntu??
[08:49] <zyph> odatubuntu, i see many many many many files
[08:49] <apokryphos> dave_: xmms and thunderbird are both in the main repository. Just sudo aptitude install xmms mozilla-thunderbird
[08:50] <macavelimc> Anyone have a recommendation for what program to use to program java on Ubuntu?
[08:50] <Dr_Willis> a text editor. :P
[08:50] <zyph> odatubuntu, i see nothing about 3d accelerated drivers
[08:50] <dave_> apokryphos, ah right, and i can get firefox flash, etc there? synaptic?
[08:50] <pratyk> does any one know how to video driver in 865GBF intel boeard
[08:51] <apokryphos> dave_: you will have to enable extra repositories for that. Follow the instructions that ubotu gives you
[08:51] <odatubuntu> zyph, use nvidia-glx  and nvidia-kernel-common
[08:51] <dave_> apokryphos, what does the aptitude after sudo signify
[08:51] <zyph> odatubuntu, yeah but will that allow me to run 3d games?
[08:51] <apokryphos> dave_: aptitude is a front-end to apt, another way of using Ubuntu's package manager. Synaptic is a GUI front-end to it.
[08:51] <odatubuntu> zyph, yes
[08:51] <apokryphos> dave_: I'm off for a bit now, but follow those instructions and let anyone here in know if you encounter any problemos
[08:51] <dave_> apokryphos, cheers will have to do that once its finished updating
[08:52] <dave_> apokryphosthanks
[08:52] <darknature> anyone here can help me install Cedera CVS I am having alot of trouble following these instructions
[08:52] <zyph> odatubuntu, i was always under the impression i had to use the drivers from the nvidia site
[08:52] <zyph> odatubuntu, i'm not from a debian environment, so this is new to me
[08:52] <darknature> blah Cedega i mean*
[08:52] <odatubuntu> zyph, they are the same that are in synaptic and or the ubuntu/debian repositories
[08:53] <Butcherbird-Jr> what is the easiest way to install xserver with apt-get.  Are there a couple of packages or is there one big one.
[08:53] <yipangel> Shockwave version needed, anyone?
[08:53] <odatubuntu> anyone familiar with swat for samba?
[08:53] <zyph> odatubuntu, so the module is 'nvidia'?
[08:54] <zyph> odatubuntu, sorry i just want to be positive we are on the same page here
[08:54] <nerdunit> dr_willis the follwoing happened
[08:54] <odatubuntu> zyph, are you in synaptic right now?
[08:54] <zyph> odatubuntu, already done downloading, but i'll load it back up
[08:54] <darknature> Anyone here knows how to install Cedega CVS pretty well ?
[08:55] <zyph> odatubuntu, ok yeah, it's on
[08:55] <alec_> anybody here?
[08:55] <benkong2> I followed this http://wiki.osuosl.org/display/DEV/Java+on+Debian still no java on AMD64 breezy fresh install. What am I doing wrong
[08:55] <Seveas> alec_, no
[08:55] <odatubuntu> zyph, are you using ubuntu?
[08:55] <zyph> odatubuntu, oh ok now i see
[08:55] <nerdunit> dr_willis I attempted both way and they both yielded a little folder with a question mark and the finder logo, after which the os. booted to a error message that said the disk is not readable and needs to be initialized with a drop  down menu that offer initialization options
[08:56] <odatubuntu> zyph, ok
[08:56] <alec_> I need help installing LimeWire
[08:56] <Seveas> benkong2, grab the amd64 bin from sun and use make-jpkg
[08:56] <alec_> I'm brand new at Ubuntu
[08:56] <zyph> odatubuntu, thanks big time =D
[08:56] <Seveas> the osuosl stuff is out of date
[08:56] <odatubuntu> zyph, no prob
[08:56] <benkong2> Seveas; k I'll try now
[08:56] <alec_> Can anybody help me>
[08:57] <alec_> hello?
[08:57] <alec_> ...
[08:57] <Dr_Willis> nerdunit,  time to go check in #OSX or other channels  then.
[08:58] <Dr_Willis> work time for me
[08:58] <alec_> Can somone help me install LimeWire
[08:58] <mike-m> hello
[08:58] <nerdunit> k, thanks
[08:58] <mike-m> is dpkg in the basic installation of ubuntu ?
[08:58] <alec_> Can somone help me install LimeWire?
[08:58] <lsuactiafner> alec_ : dont repeat your question. there are instructions on the limewire site, follow them.
[08:58] <Seveas> mike-m, of course...
[08:59] <Jowi> mike-m: yes
[08:59] <lsuactiafner> mike-m : apt-get is
[08:59] <lsuactiafner> alec_ : if you repeat your question that often you will get banned from the channel. ask every 10 minutes
[08:59] <pratyk> does any one know how to video driver in 865GBF intel boeard
[08:59] <alec_> please anybody i really need help i'm brand new
[08:59] <lsuactiafner> if someone wanted to help you they would. i already answered you
[08:59] <mike-m> yeah, I was thinking so, a guy said he needs to install it .. WEIRD :)
[09:00] <alec_> you answered me?
[09:00] <Seveas> mike-m, that guy is crazy
[09:00] <Seveas> the installer needs dpkg...
[09:00] <Seveas> so if it's not there, he did not install Ubuntu
[09:01] <yipangel> so there is no shockwave for Linux, at all??? I just found a thread in the forums....
[09:01] <alec_> does anybody have LimeWire on their computer
[09:01] <mike-m> yes he is!
[09:01] <yipangel> yet at the site they list some O.o
[09:01] <mike-m> Seveas, he is searching since 5 minutes for "dkpg" and not for dpkg, and I told him again and again, he is stupid
[09:02] <alec_> mike-m do you have wine?
[09:02] <mike-m> alec_, no
[09:02] <mike-m> I don't need it
[09:02] <elmago> hi  guys
[09:02] <mike-m> CU
[09:02] <elmago> i have a big problem, since a few days cant i go on some websites
[09:03] <pratyk> name it
[09:03] <Elko> parents installed a pronfilter?
[09:03] <CyberNaja> hello
[09:03] <CyberNaja> ^^
[09:03] <elmago> no i dont think so
[09:03] <pratyk> pron is bad
[09:03] <elmago> because on my laptop i can go on all websites
[09:03] <yanis> hi,what is the name of the bit torrent client that comes with ubuntu???
[09:04] <alec_> Does anybody havge Wine on their computer?
[09:04] <pratyk> sorry porn
[09:04] <CyberNaja> I've just finish installing ubuntu... i've got a small pb
[09:04] <elmago> azureus is a good client
[09:04] <pratyk> ya inside it
[09:04] <pratyk> mine's run on wine
[09:04] <alec_> It's called: GNOME BitTorrent
[09:04] <benkong2> Seveas; do I do the make-jpkg in my home dir or mv the file to /opt or something?
[09:04] <alec_> pratyk could you help me?
[09:04] <butcherbird> alec_, you should not need wine for limewire but I believe ( Ive never user limewire) you will need to install java support
[09:05] <CyberNaja> the installer hadn't ask me a passwd for the root access... therefore i've no access to root
[09:05] <alec_> Java Support
[09:05] <alec_> hmmm
[09:05] <alec_> at the wensite it says .rpm file
[09:05] <pratyk> ya
[09:05] <alec_> pratyk could send me a private message
[09:05] <Jowi> CyberNaja: that's correct. The root account is not in use by default
[09:05] <alec_> i dont know how
[09:05] <Elko> CyberNaja: sudo -s, then passwd root
[09:05] <butcherbird> alec_, you have the rpm?
[09:05] <Jowi> ubotu, tell CyberNaja about root
[09:06] <pratyk> alec_ change .rpm to .deb
[09:06] <CyberNaja> Jowi, what ???? !!
[09:06] <elmago> has noone a idea, when i tried to update my system on my home pc, i even cannot conect to a us.archive.ubuntu server
[09:06] <CyberNaja> oh, thanks :)
[09:06] <Jowi> CyberNaja: Ubuntu uses Sudo by default. read the link that Ubotu provided you :)
[09:06] <elmago> plz i didnt have a idea
[09:06] <alec_> yes i have the rpm
[09:06] <Micksa> uboto, tell me about root
[09:07] <Micksa> er
[09:07] <Micksa> ubotu, tell me about root
[09:07] <lucaas> can i upgrade to breezy in x, or should i run it in console mode?
[09:07] <apokryphos> Micksa: you can investigate with ubotu in /msg
[09:07] <elmago> x
[09:07] <crimsun> lucaas: you can dist-upgrade while running X Window System, sure
[09:07] <benkong2> error from make-jpkg "dpkg-shlibdeps: warning: could not find path for libXp.so.6" is this abnormal?
[09:07] <lucaas> crimsun, ok, thanks
[09:07] <CyberNaja> yes, thanks Jowi :)
[09:07] <pratyk> Alec_ use this command to change rpm to deb "alien -d filename.rpm"
[09:07] <Jowi> CyberNaja: You're welcome
[09:08] <crimsun> benkong2: that's a bug, you'll need to install libxp6 separately
[09:08] <alec_> ok let me try
[09:08] <alec_> in root
[09:08] <benkong2> crimsun; k off to synaptic
[09:08] <alec_> or regualr
[09:08] <pratyk> regular
[09:08] <jmazaredo_> any filipino here
[09:08] <elmago> come on guys someone must have an idear why i can not conect to some servers and not to others
[09:09] <dieppiej> anyone have any experience with an medion md40900 usb wlan adapter, getting it working in 5.10?
[09:09] <pratyk> sorry in root
[09:09] <alec_> lol, i got the error
[09:09] <elmago> what error
[09:09] <adjkasjdklas> Hello.
[09:10] <adjkasjdklas> I have a problem.
[09:10] <pratyk> olleh
[09:10] <alec_> it says not found
[09:10] <adjkasjdklas> I wanted to give Ubuntu a chance.
[09:10] <adjkasjdklas> But I need to have some help.
[09:10] <pratyk> r u using ubuntu
[09:10] <deFrysk> !ask
[09:10] <] N[ame> anyone know how to add a network printer thats shared out through ADS
[09:10] <alec_> pratyk send me one of those private chat things
[09:10] <pratyk> adjka.. then try
[09:10] <elmago> how could it be that i cant conect to some servers
[09:10] <sweeny> i don't suppose anyone's had any luck running the nomachine nx client on amd64
[09:10] <Jowi> elmago: are you behind a router?
[09:10] <elmago> and a few time later i can
[09:11] <elmago> yes
[09:11] <adjkasjdklas> It's about MP3-files.
[09:11] <alec_> pratyk send a private chat, i dont know how to
[09:11] <Jowi> elmago: try to connect to another eth-port on the router. it might be messed up
[09:11] <adjkasjdklas> Totem won't play my MP3.
[09:11] <elmago> how??
[09:11] <adjkasjdklas> It says something about a plugin.
[09:11] <grant__> having trouble getting xine or gxine to work
[09:11] <[LethAL] > adjkasjdklas, sudo apt-get install gstreamer0.8-mad
[09:11] <reiki_work> adjkasjdklas: readwhat it says
[09:11] <alec_> pratyk send a private chat, i dont know how to
[09:11] <] N[ame> adjkasjdklas, did you install the codecs to play mp3's
[09:12] <Jowi> elmago: you can also try to connect to the same plug in the router as the laptop uses since you're sure that one works fine at least
[09:12] <pratyk> me too first time in irc
[09:12] <alec_> i see
[09:12] <alec_> let me try
[09:12] <apsync> how can I burn iso on a cd in ubuntu?
[09:12] <elmago> yes im on it
[09:12] <adjkasjdklas> gstreamer0.8-mad?
[09:12] <[LethAL] > apsync, right-click it in Nautilus
[09:12] <elmago> because i cannot conect to this server on my home pc
[09:12] <grant__> it says:  Error reading NAV packet
[09:12] <apsync> Ok, Nautilus? :o
[09:12] <[LethAL] > adjkasjdklas, Yes, Mpeg codecs for gstreamer
[09:12] <adjkasjdklas> Ehm, I'm no computer person.
[09:13] <adjkasjdklas> How do I do that?
[09:13] <alec_> pratyk look at bottom of screen
[09:13] <grant__> libdvdread: Encrypted DVD support unavailable.
[09:13] <[LethAL] > adjkasjdklas, Open a terminal
[09:13] <grant__> aaahhhh
[09:13] <adjkasjdklas> Yes.
[09:13] <apsync> ah lol
[09:13] <[LethAL] > adjkasjdklas, "sudo apt-get install gstreamer0.8-mad"
[09:13] <[LethAL] > adjkasjdklas, Then type in your password
[09:13] <alec_> pratyk look at bottom of screen
[09:13] <adjkasjdklas> Yes.
[09:13] <] N[ame> adjkasjdklas, then it will install itself and it should work after that
[09:13] <pratyk> nothin
[09:14] <alec_> hmm
[09:14] <adjkasjdklas> Hm...
[09:14] <adjkasjdklas> Couldn't find the package.
[09:14] <deFrysk> adjkasjdklas, did you add repositories universe , multiverse ?
[09:14] <alec_> now look at bottom
[09:14] <[LethAL] > !tell adjkasjdklas about repos
[09:14] <[LethAL] > adjkasjdklas, Take the first link ubotu sent you
[09:14] <alec_> i sent you a diff window thing.
[09:15] <pratyk> i'm using icechat in damn windows
[09:15] <alec_> o you are
[09:15] <alec_> damn
[09:15] <] N[ame> ubuntuguide.org is down?
[09:15] <alec_> you have AIM
[09:15] <deFrysk> !tell adjkasjdklas about synaptic
[09:15] <pratyk> nope
[09:15] <alec_> google talk
[09:15] <pratyk> ya
[09:15] <deFrysk> !tell adjkasjdklas about apt-get
[09:15] <alec_> do you know how to use it
[09:15] <pratyk> off course
[09:15] <adjkasjdklas> deFrysk: I'll have a look ;)
[09:15] <alec_> ok
[09:15] <alec_> my email is
[09:16] <DaSkreech> Does Brezzy ship with ono?
[09:16] <alec_> ravage928@gmail.com
[09:16] <GhostFreeman> is it safe to upgrade bsdutils, mount, and util-linux
[09:16] <DaSkreech> mono?
[09:16] <deFrysk> DaSkreech, yoko ono ?
[09:16] <GhostFreeman> Synaptic tells me there are new versions on repo
[09:16] <reiki_work> GhostFreeman: yes... I did those last night
[09:16] <DaSkreech> bahMono
[09:16] <Elko> GhostFreeman: no prob here
[09:16] <ubuntu> hallo
[09:16] <DaSkreech> deFrysk: :-)
[09:16] <Elko> reiki_work, reiki, eh? :)
[09:16] <GhostFreeman> aight, thanks
[09:17] <reiki_work> Elko: indeed :)
[09:17] <alec_> pratyk you got it
[09:17] <Elko> heh, niceee
[09:17] <tylo> Does anyone have an onboard ac97 soundcard and full duplex sound?
[09:17] <deFrysk> DaSkreech, yes btw :)
[09:17] <crimsun> tylo: most AC'97 codecs control a DSP that supports full duplex, why?
[09:18] <DaSkreech> deFrysk: Thanks :-)
[09:18] <tylo> I can't get mine working.
[09:18] <crimsun> tylo: you can't hear what you're recording simultaneously?
[09:18] <pratyk> yup
[09:18] <alec_> pratyk i can't
[09:18] <alec_> im using linux
[09:18] <tylo> What I can't do is listen to music and hear Skype ring when someone calls.
[09:18] <pratyk> oh
[09:19] <pratyk> i'm having prob with my modems in linux
[09:19] <tylo> I've been posting about it in the forums, and only one guy has hinted that he might have an answer. But I don't know if he'll respond.
[09:19] <alec_> o ok
[09:19] <alec_> why dont you get aol instant mesenger
[09:19] <crimsun> tylo: that has nothing to do with "full duplex"
[09:19] <crimsun> tylo: that's known as pcm multiplexing
[09:20] <crimsun> tylo: "full duplex" is recording and playing back simultaneously for this context
[09:20] <Hoxzer> somebody here uses valknut?
[09:20] <grant__> libdvdnav: Using dvdnav version 1.0 from http://xine.sf.net
[09:20] <grant__> libdvdread: Encrypted DVD support unavailable.
[09:20] <grant__> any clues?
[09:20] <pratyk> too many ids
[09:20] <tylo> Alright, does anyone have an onboard ac97 soundcard that is able to pcm multiplex?
[09:20] <dooglus> does anyone know how to turn on boot logging into /var/log/boot.log?
[09:20] <alec_> all you do is make one and talk to me
[09:21] <deFrysk> tylo, do u use kde ?
[09:21] <crimsun> tylo: many are able - see the Nvidia SoundStorm or various VIA chipsets.
[09:21] <deFrysk> tylo, no privating , thanks
[09:21] <crimsun> tylo: however, not all drivers are capable of exploiting full capabilities - for instance, Nvidia does not release the specs for their sound chip (rather the one they use), so you cannot use its pcm multiplexing.
[09:22] <alec_> pratyk just create one then unistalll it
[09:22] <Cathelo> How do I get the kernel source?  I have some graphics drivers and they tell me to go into /usr/src/linux-2.6, but I have no subdirectories under /usr/src.
[09:22] <deFrysk> tylo, the txt is red becouse I use your name in this line
[09:22] <tylo> interesting
[09:22] <crimsun> tylo: you can use the dmix pcm plugin that comes standard with alsa-lib, but you may not have much luck with Skype, as it requires OSS [emulation] 
[09:23] <deFrysk> its called highlighting tylo
[09:23] <tylo> yeah I know, i never saw that stuff in mIRC though. :-)
[09:23] <pratyk> sorry
[09:23] <Pluk> Hoxzer, i do use valknut
[09:23] <tylo> crimsun, I've been trying to use the alsa-lib settings
[09:23] <alec_> pratyk, is there any other way to talk?
[09:24] <dooglus> Cathelo: "sudo urpmi linux-source"
[09:24] <Cathelo> thanks dooglus
[09:24] <tylo> crimsun, how can i know if Nvidia makes me onboard sound?
[09:24] <tylo> er, my onboard sound
[09:24] <crimsun> tylo: do you have an Nforce motherboard?
[09:24] <dooglus> Cathelo: that'll get you a '.tar.bz2' file in /usr/src.  use 'tar xfj' to extract it
[09:25] <alec_> pratyk can you send me an email with a description on how to do it?
[09:25] <Seveas> dooglus, ewww urmpi...
[09:25] <dooglus> Cathelo: have about 300Mb of disk space before you attempt to untar it!
[09:25] <pratyk> ok
[09:25] <Seveas> you're in #ubuntu, not #redhat :)
[09:25] <dooglus> Seveas: sorry...  :)  it's an alias.
[09:25] <alec_> pratyk thanks
[09:25] <MaCa> Could someone with sun-j2re1.5 please send me the output of "apt-cache policy sun-j2re1.5"...
[09:25] <dooglus> Seveas: I didn't realise I was going to be staying here
[09:25] <Cathelo> dooglus: I'm getting "sudo: urpmi: command not found"
[09:25] <dooglus> alias urpmi='sudo apt-get install'
[09:25] <tylo> crimsun, I'm not really sure. If my box came with a layout of the innards, i don't have it anymore. Is there someway I can find out in the terminal?
[09:26] <Cathelo> ah, k. :)
[09:26] <crimsun> tylo: you could inspect the output from lspci (don't paste here)
[09:26] <dooglus> Cathelo: I meant "sudo apt-get install linux-source"...  urpmi is a bad habit I picked up from #mandrake
[09:26] <tylo> crimsun, right, because it's really long. :-P
[09:26] <dooglus> (although it's a lot easier to type)
[09:27] <tylo> crimsun, which line exactly am I looking for?
[09:27] <crimsun> tylo: something that says nforce
[09:28] <tylo> crimsun: I don't see any Nforce.
[09:28] <czerwiecc> hello
[09:29] <grant__> anyone have any luck getting xine to work?
[09:29] <tylo> crimsun: So I don't have an Nvidia onboard sound. What does that mean for me?
[09:30] <grant__> I suppose I'll not be able to get it working... running outta time here.  Thanks anyway.  C U all later... :)
[09:32] <crimsun> tylo: that means you're going to have to use dmix with Skype if you can.
[09:32] <Elko> xine works ootb here
[09:32] <sweeny> anyone here manage to get nxclient working on amd64?
[09:32] <Elko> ain't I lucky :)
[09:33] <tylo> crimsun: Or get a sound card, right?
[09:33] <arkais> hi
[09:33] <vrln> anyone on a breezy default install here, who hasn't manually touched any of the symlinks at /etc/rc2.d and /etc/rc5.d?
[09:33] <benkong2> Seveas; I did the make-jpkg on the java.bin loggoed out, shutdown, cold boot, restarted and I still have java 1.4.2 gij GNU java. Any suggestions?
[09:34] <benkong2> vrln; I haven't
[09:34] <Seveas> benkong2, you need to install the .deb it creates
[09:34] <vrln> benkong2: can you copypaste me ls -l /etc/rc2.d and then the same for /etc/rc5.d
[09:34] <vrln> I deleted a few symlinks there and now I want them back to default
[09:34] <vrln> :)
[09:34] <vrln> would be REALLY appreciated
[09:35] <vrln> I never new there was a cool tool for selecting bootup scripts (bum)
[09:35] <vrln> knew*
[09:35] <benkong2> Seveas; i did the dpkg -i blah blah before shutting down
[09:35] <benkong2> vlrn yes
[09:35] <ericz> the newest ubuntu is still 5.04 (Hoary Hedgehog) right?
[09:35] <vrln> benkong2: could you pm me those? (probably too much to spam to this channel)
[09:35] <Seveas> benkong2, then sudo update-alternatives --config java
[09:35] <Seveas> benkong2, then sudo update-alternatives --config javac
[09:35] <Seveas> benkong2, then sudo update-alternatives --config jar
[09:36] <annex> Is it possible to use an older driver than the ones that come with xorg?  I'm trying to test something and I want to use an older version of the free ati driver.  How can I do this?
[09:36] <adjkasjdklas> Thank you very much for the links. I tried to understand them, but I'm still not sure how to get my Media Player play my MP3? :)
[09:36] <benkong2> msg vlrn
[09:37] <tylo> speaking of sound cards, if I end up having to purchase one, does anyone have any suggestions on one that would work either out of the box or quite easily with Ubuntu?
[09:37] <redondos_> adjkasjdklas, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats?action=show&redirect=mp3
[09:37] <IHATEUSINGWINBUG> anyone know how to uninstall .deb packages??
[09:37] <alec_> Sound Blaster 24 bit PCI
[09:37] <alec_> that's what i have
[09:37] <tylo> my requirement for the sound card is that it be able to let me hear Skype ring and listen to music simultaneously
[09:37] <alec_> works fine
[09:37] <benkong2> vlrn i'm an xchat newbie i did a dcc is that correct?
[09:38] <benkong2> Seveas; working on it
[09:38] <alec_> tylo: what state are you located
[09:38] <tylo> alec_ : I'll take a look into it, thanks.
[09:38] <tylo> alec_ : Pennsylvania
[09:39] <IHATEUSINGWINBUG> you see i messed up my cedega and i want to remove it completely
[09:39] <alec_> tylo: do you have comp usa's over there or best buy
[09:39] <tylo> alec_ Best buy, I believe.
[09:39] <alec_> tylo: look in the sunday paper or check the websites
[09:39] <alec_> tylo: they have great deals
[09:39] <jdef> hi all
[09:39] <tylo> alec_ : Thanks for the tip.
[09:39] <alec_> tylo: that's where i got  mine infact
[09:39] <alec_> tylo: no problem
[09:40] <jdef> I use peachtree in windows is there a equivalent accounting program in linux
[09:40] <benkong2> vrln; got it?
[09:40] <vrln> benkong2: yes, thank you
[09:40] <vrln> you just saved my day :)
[09:40] <jdef> basic accounting and invoicing capability are all I require
[09:40] <IHATEUSINGWINBUG> hello anyone wnna know?? itd be appreciated
[09:41] <benkong2> k
[09:41] <IHATEUSINGWINBUG> hello anyone know?? itd be appreciated
[09:41] <vrln> benkong2: oops, sorry - actually /etc/rc5.d is still missing
[09:41] <vrln> I only got the first two lines from it
[09:41] <apokryphos> IHATEUSINGWINBUG: don't flood
[09:41] <tylo> alec_ : Is it a Sound Blaster Live! ?
[09:41] <Twiggy> Anybody here running mythtv via ubuntu?
[09:41] <vrln> got the /etc/rc2.d one though
[09:41] <Twiggy> with mythgames
[09:42] <holycow> Twiggy, yes, but just myth
[09:42] <holycow> not with mythgames
[09:42] <Twiggy> holycow: No mythmusic either?
[09:42] <holycow> nope
[09:42] <alec_> tylo: yes i think so
[09:42] <IHATEUSINGWINBUG> damn im lagged
[09:42] <alec_> tylo: what's your price budget
[09:43] <benkong2> Seveas; whoopie!!! you're great. Where could I have learned about that alternatives thing without bugging the channel?
[09:43] <tylo> alec_ : Alright. I remember seeing on the forums that some people were actually having trouble with SB Live cards, but something cheap is definetly what I am looking for. Afterall, I was expecting my onboard sound to suffice.
[09:43] <Seveas> benkong2, the manual :)
[09:43] <Gnonthgo1> help, I typhed ' sudo sh -c "LANG= chroot /media/hdb1 /bin/bash" ' ( changing / to /media/hdb1) then most of my devices dissapeard
[09:43] <crimsun> tylo: just avoid the 7.1-channel and 24-bit sblives
[09:43] <alec_> tylo: makes sense
[09:43] <crimsun> tylo: get the "old" sblive
[09:43] <lsuactiafner> Seveas : 13246: tree connect failed: ERRDOS - ERRnomem (Insufficient server memory to perform the requested function.) smb mount operation.. ideas?
[09:43] <IHATEUSINGWINBUG> hello
[09:43] <alec_> tylo: i beleive that's the 16-bit
[09:43] <Seveas> lsuactiafner, none at all
[09:43] <IHATEUSINGWINBUG> anyone with some suggestion??
[09:44] <benkong2> :-) manual hmmm.....man alternatives?
[09:44] <alec_> about your lagging
[09:44] <lsuactiafner> thanks
[09:44] <IHATEUSINGWINBUG> nope
[09:44] <Elko> IHATEUSINGWINBUG: change your nick into something more pleasing to the eye ;p
[09:44] <tylo> alec_ crimsun: get the 16-bit one?
[09:44] <Elko> just a suggestion..
[09:44] <svu> what would be the simplest way to restore linux loader after macos upgrade?
[09:44] <oO[NOVA] Oo> how do i run a command at startup with root privileges, and after the network stuff is running?
[09:44] <crimsun> tylo: yes
[09:44] <SEXY> there
[09:44] <SEXY> LOL
[09:44] <Elko> lol
[09:44] <alec_> tylo: yes
[09:45] <tylo> alec_ : But you said your's was 24-bit. :-P
[09:45] <Blissex> oO[NOVA] Oo: add a script to do so to '/etc/init.d/' and then link it in the runlevel directories you want it to run for.
[09:45] <alec_> tylo: sorry
[09:45] <alec_> tylo: i meant 16-bit
[09:45] <alec_> tylo: i had just checked the box
[09:45] <SEXY> heres my problem
[09:45] <SEXY> how to uninstall .deb packages
[09:45] <tylo> alec_ Ah. Nice, it'll be even cheaper now.
[09:46] <jc-denton> SEXY: aptitude purge name
[09:46] <crimsun> SEXY: use a package manager like Synaptic, aptitude, ...
[09:46] <alec_> tylo: like... $25,00
[09:46] <alec_> tylo: or something like that
[09:46] <tylo> Do you guys think 24 bit will be supported in Breezy?
[09:46] <jc-denton> SEXY: are u male or female?
[09:46] <Gnonthgol> SEXY: as a normal package
[09:46] <crimsun> tylo: it is currently supported, and it sucks.
[09:46] <jmazaredo_> think he's male
[09:46] <jmazaredo_> hehe
[09:46] <jc-denton> we shouldnt help him then
[09:46] <jc-denton> :P
[09:46] <crimsun> tylo: you'll have many fewer headaches with the old sblive, trust me.
[09:46] <jmazaredo_> wahaha
[09:46] <oO[NOVA] Oo> Blissex: i create a file called mountsmbshares in /etc/init.d/ and i put this command in: sudo mount -t smbfs "//192.168.0.250/ADMIN 2" "/mnt/smb/192.168.0.250/ADMIN 2" -o username=narf,password=narf,rw,fmask=777 and i ran init-rc.d mountsmbshares defaults to get it hooked up, but it's not working.
[09:47] <alec_> tylo: it was easy for me, it's easy for you
[09:47] <SEXY> LOL
[09:47] <crimsun> s/many//g
[09:47] <jmazaredo_> SEXY : u planning to play on ubuntu
[09:47] <oO[NOVA] Oo> Blissex: the command does work when executed from a root terminal.
[09:47] <SEXY> nope
[09:47] <tylo> alec_ crimsun: Thanks gentlemen (I'm assuming).
[09:47] <jmazaredo_> hmm
[09:47] <SEXY> they said they wanted my name nice in the eye
[09:47] <alec_> tylo: no problem
[09:47] <Elko> SEXY: \rm package-version.deb ;p - seriously, can't you click your way through that instead of using apt-get remove --purge package?
[09:47] <crimsun> tylo: yes (/whois would confirm)
[09:48] <libben> is there any easy way on making ICS ?
[09:48] <tylo> crimsun: ah, indeed.
[09:48] <Seveas> libben, firestarter offers the one-click solution
[09:48] <Blissex> oO[NOVA] Oo: it is not as simple as that...
[09:48] <alec_> crimsun: do you know anything about wine?
[09:48] <||cw> have an odd thing, I'm trying to figure out what package gnome-video-thumbnailer comes in, dpkg-query -S says it's not installed, but I most certainly do have it
[09:48] <jmazaredo_> SEXY:u want to uninstall trans..
[09:48] <Seveas> (if you use stat ip addresses on the internal network)
[09:48] <Blissex> oO[NOVA] Oo: first of all there is no need to 'sudo'.
[09:48] <crimsun> alec_: I don't use WINE often at all, sorry.
[09:49] <oO[NOVA] Oo> Blissex: alright.. i tried with and without..
[09:49] <SEXY> yah
[09:49] <Blissex> oO[NOVA] Oo: second that kind of stuff should be in '/etc/fstab'
[09:49] <alec_> crimsun: do you know how to install it?
[09:49] <alec_> crimsun: or you never bothered
[09:49] <SEXY> you see imessed the fecking thing
[09:49] <SEXY> and i cant use it
[09:49] <jc-denton> humm
[09:49] <jc-denton> alsa-space: xrun of at least 0.176 msecs. resetting stream 36.4% 682 0 98%
[09:49] <||cw> googling says it comes in nautilus-media, but that packages doens't exist in ubuntu
[09:49] <jmazaredo_> u from where
[09:49] <Blissex> oO[NOVA] Oo: third the script must be executable *and* linked into the relevant runlevel libraries.
[09:49] <crimsun> alec_: enable universe, then sudo aptitude install wine
[09:49] <jc-denton> mplayer is slow and i dont know why
[09:49] <jc-denton> it has a nice value of 0
[09:49] <Elko> so you didn't tell us the details... want us to guess.. duh
[09:50] <jmazaredo_> SEXY: i saw u on winehq
[09:50] <SEXY> yah
[09:50] <Kejk_PL> jc-denton: have you tried mpayer with "-vo xv" option
[09:50] <cs_DK> gnome-media maybe?
[09:50] <Kejk_PL> ?
[09:50] <SEXY> i got both
[09:50] <oO[NOVA] Oo> blissex: i really can't get it to work in /etc/fstab, i've run through about 3 different configurations but it won't take. something with the space in the sharename throws it off-whack
[09:50] <SEXY> wine and cedega
[09:50] <Elko> irc support never changes, from rh to lfs to gentoo to this thing, lol
[09:50] <jc-denton> Kejk_PL: nope
[09:50] <Blissex> oO[NOVA] Oo: thats rather unfortunate.
[09:50] <SEXY> and they said its bad having both
[09:50] <jmazaredo_> you planning to play?
[09:50] <alec_> crimsun; i sent you a message
[09:51] <Gnonthgol> Why did my devices dissapear after ' sudo sh -c "LANG= chroot /media/hdb1 /bin/bash" ' ?
[09:51] <jdef> any good accounting apps in the repositories?
[09:51] <jmazaredo_> and you tried both but didnt work right
[09:51] <Elko> Gnonthgol: /dev?
[09:51] <alec_> anybody know how to install wine on ubuntu?
[09:51] <jc-denton> that's not the problem
[09:51] <Seveas> apt-get install wine
[09:51] <Kejk_PL> alec_: sudo apt-get install wine, but if U want newer want, ask again :)
[09:51] <Blissex> oO[NOVA] Oo: I'll try to find you the relevant docs, but in the meantime look at 'man update-rc.d'
[09:52] <Gnonthgol> Elko: ls: /dev/sd*: No such file or directory
[09:52] <oO[NOVA] Oo> blissex: already have.. but sure i'll just run through it again, perhaps i see something now that i missed earlier
[09:52] <Elko> Gnonthgol: you are in a chroot...
[09:52] <alec_> Kejk_PL: could you explain that more plz
[09:52] <alec_> i'm new at linux
[09:52] <alec_> Kejk_PL: i'm new at linux
[09:52] <Kejk_PL> alec_: open termin and type that
[09:52] <jc-denton> -ao esd seems to help
[09:52] <alec_> root or regualr
[09:52] <Kejk_PL> alec_: OR use synaptic
[09:53] <alec_> Kejk_PL: i don't like synaptic
[09:53] <SuperQ> alec_: regular is fine, as you can use sudo
[09:53] <aquadeluxe> hey
[09:53] <alec_> Kejk_PL: ok
[09:53] <Gnonthgol> Elko: yes, I just found out that the real problem is that my /proc is empty
[09:53] <Blissex> oO[NOVA] Oo: try 'update-rc.d smbmountshares defaults 70'
[09:53] <SEXY> waaaaa anyone tell me how to remove cedega
[09:53] <aquadeluxe> i have a problem with the ubuntu livecd i just burnt
[09:53] <jmazaredo_> omg
[09:54] <ColonelKernel> is there a howto anywhere on how to use vanilla kernels on ubuntu?
[09:54] <Kejk_PL> alec_: so use aptitude - it is for terminal, but is quite easy
[09:54] <CookedGryphon> my mp3 player doesn't register as its full size on ubuntu, it readsall the files on it, but it says its full well before it is, when i do a df it gives the correct capacity but says it has more on than it actually does
[09:54] <Elko> Gnonthgol: you need to mount /proc, /dev before the chroot :)
[09:54] <jmazaredo_> SEXY: where r u from
[09:54] <alec_> Kejk_PL: it didnt work
[09:54] <Seveas> ColonelKernel, the wiki has several
[09:54] <alec_> Kejk_PL:Reading package lists... Done
[09:54] <alec_> Building dependency tree... Done
[09:54] <alec_> Package wine is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[09:54] <alec_> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[09:54] <alec_> is only available from another source
[09:54] <alec_> E: Package wine has no installation candidate
[09:54] <jc-denton> hmm
[09:54] <Seveas> DO NOT PASTE in here
[09:54] <SEXY> Y??
[09:54] <jc-denton> i never had these probleme
[09:54] <Seveas> ever.
[09:54] <jc-denton> s
[09:54] <ColonelKernel> Seveas, ok - for some reason my vanilla kernel is trying to use devfs and device mapper is screwed too
[09:54] <tylo> crimsun: Do you think a CREATIVE LABS 16 BIT 5.1 SURROUND SOUND BLASTER LIVE would be alright?
[09:54] <jmazaredo_> nothing, im from philippines
[09:54] <Blissex> oO[NOVA] Oo: after doing so try to do '/etc/rc3.d/S70smbmountshares'
[09:54] <Kejk_PL> alec_:  U haven't add additional repositories
[09:55] <SEXY> LOL same here
[09:55] <jmazaredo_> hehe
[09:55] <jmazaredo_> sabi na
[09:55] <crimsun> tylo: it would be fine.
[09:55] <jmazaredo_> wahahaha
[09:55] <SEXY> hehehe
[09:55] <SEXY> bakit tol?
[09:55] <adjkasjdklas> Nice, looks like it's working.
[09:55] <tylo> crimsun: Great. Thanks.
[09:55] <Seveas> jmazaredo_, SEXY, stick to english in here.
[09:55] <Kejk_PL> alec_: U have to add "universe" reposity, and probably "restricted" and multiverse" too
[09:55] <SEXY> ops sorry
[09:55] <jmazaredo_> u planning on installing ragnarok
[09:55] <ColonelKernel> Seveas, wheres that wiki>
[09:56] <ColonelKernel> ?
[09:56] <Seveas> wiki.ubuntu.com
[09:56] <aquadeluxe> i burnt a recent build of ubuntu, the PPC version and it boots up until the a point where it just hangs. it is after the little ubuntu logo is and on the messages on the startup it says it cant find some sort of debian-installer or something like that
[09:56] <odatubuntu> anyone familiar with webmin?
[09:56] <ColonelKernel> Seveas, thank you
[09:56] <Blissex> oO[NOVA] Oo: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-system.en.html#s-boot tells most of the story
[09:56] <aquadeluxe> i burnt it with firestarter
[09:56] <Seveas> odatubuntu, somewhat...
[09:56] <Kejk_PL> alec_: you can do it in synaptic
[09:57] <Versed> aqua which mac?
[09:57] <ColonelKernel> Seveas, Title Search: "vanilla kernel"
[09:57] <ColonelKernel> 0 results of about 4653 pages. (2.37 seconds)
[09:57] <Versed> mine went flawless on a g4 450
[09:57] <Seveas> ColonelKernel, so a title search for kernel
[09:57] <aquadeluxe> emac 1ghz 256meg ram it is the 2g
[09:57] <jc-denton> its probably cos beagle is indexing the same disk where the movies are
[09:57] <odatubuntu> seveas: i just installed it and i can't log in
[09:57] <SEXY> jmazaredo, yah
[09:57] <Seveas> the kernelcompilehowto and the like will help
[09:57] <jmazaredo_> im also installing it
[09:58] <SEXY> any success?
[09:58] <odatubuntu> seveas, i have no idea what it wants as a user name and password
[09:58] <jmazaredo_> it is patching now
[09:58] <jmazaredo_> but
[09:58] <SEXY> jmazaredo, what you use??
[09:58] <jmazaredo_> it closes (crashes) upon starting
[09:58] <jmazaredo_> wine
[09:58] <SEXY> LOL
[09:58] <jmazaredo_> also u crashing?
[09:58] <SEXY> mine got this damn DX errors
[09:59] <jmazaredo_> aw
[09:59] <aquadeluxe> ...
[09:59] <dreameen> guys
[09:59] <Seveas> odatubuntu, odatubuntu search the wiki
[09:59] <Seveas> it has a guide on hoe to get you started
[09:59] <dreameen> do you know a program that can monitor running processes for some time and log it into a file
[09:59] <jmazaredo_> im using ubuntu and updated wine
[09:59] <dreameen> ?
[09:59] <SEXY> i can see the login but the game is like a fast moving cartoon film
[09:59] <jmazaredo_> do u have a screen shot?
[10:00] <ColonelKernel> Seveas, nothing on the wiki about it. :( my only complaint about ubuntu is the inability to use vanilla kernels
[10:00] <SEXY> no
[10:00] <odatubuntu> jesus doesn't anyone have a friggin answer in here its always go read like we don't try that first
[10:00] <jmazaredo_> what video card d u use
[10:00] <nlitement> hi =)
[10:00] <aquadeluxe> hey
[10:00] <nlitement> i just tried the live version
[10:00] <St-> hi folks,
[10:00] <oO[NOVA] Oo> odatubuntu: well.. usually that does solve the problem
[10:00] <adjkasjdklas> Thanks everybody!
[10:00] <St-> aboulouz@ubuntu:~$ sudo synaptic
[10:00] <adjkasjdklas> It's working!
[10:00] <St-> FaBouLoUz sudo: timestamp too far in the future: Sep 19 23:18:30 2005
[10:00] <St-> why ?
[10:00] <nlitement> it kicked ass imvho
[10:00] <Seveas> ColonelKernel, bs, you can use them perfectly fine..., just use make-kpkg to compile them
[10:00] <nlitement> in my very humble opinion :p
[10:00] <odatubuntu> in other words no one knows jack shit most of the time
[10:00] <Seveas> that's what I sent you to the wiki for...
[10:01] <SEXY> and while im tweaking the wineconfig i messed it up. now i cant even config the goddam sh*t
[10:01] <pluggo> dreameen, google for process accounting
[10:01] <libben> isnt there any apps for making ICS in linux ?
[10:01] <Seveas> odatubuntu, language
[10:01] <nlitement> Does the "full" version (rather than the live version) have more stuff, packets to choose from to install, etc.? :(
[10:01] <dreameen> pluggo, thanks
[10:01] <aquadeluxe> is anyone trying to help me at all???
[10:01] <jmazaredo_> hmm
[10:01] <ColonelKernel> Seveas, BS - I did use make-kpg. It tries to use devfs and gives me device-mapper errors.
[10:01] <nlitement> can someone answer me? :(
[10:01] <pluggo> aquadeluxe, I didn
[10:01] <Seveas> ColonelKernel, then your .config has errors.
[10:01] <pluggo> 't see your ???
[10:01] <SuperQ> nlitement: the installed version has full access to "universe"
[10:02] <aquadeluxe> it was with a livecd for ppc
[10:02] <nlitement> SuperQ: it has apache etc?
[10:02] <aquadeluxe> it hung after awhile
[10:02] <SuperQ> nlitement: correct
[10:02] <nlitement> yay!
[10:02] <nlitement> \o/
[10:02] <nlitement> \,,/
[10:02] <Seveas> nlitement, the live version loses everything when rebooting, sort of a difference :)
[10:02] <aquadeluxe> on the messages it said it couldnt find debian-installer or something like that
[10:02] <ColonelKernel> theres nothing wrong with my .config.
[10:02] <SuperQ> aquadeluxe: that's no good
[10:02] <St-> help me! pls... sudo: timestamp too far in the future: Sep 19 23:18:30 2005
[10:02] <jmazaredo_> SEXY: have you tried as root then manual delete?
[10:02] <nlitement> Do the default ATI drivers support OpenGL??
[10:02] <Seveas> aquadeluxe, bad cd then, check the iso before burning and the cd after burning...
[10:03] <aquadeluxe> it did that on another one of my macs, i guess it is a bad cd
[10:03] <bur[n] er> nlitement: yes
[10:03] <sudo> what are the packages that I need to compile? (./configure,make, make install)
[10:03] <nlitement> thehil: this linux distro is the best ive seen so far :)
[10:03] <bur[n] er> nlitement: if you are using breezy, it's a bit f'd up right now
[10:03] <SEXY> jmazaredo, i cant even find the folder for the fake drive
[10:03] <Seveas> sudo, build-essential
[10:03] <dooglus> lsuactiafner was telling me that ubuntu uses a vanilla kernel.org kernel.
[10:03] <jmazaredo_> hahaha
[10:03] <ColonelKernel> Anyone else? howto for vanilla kernels with ubuntu?
[10:03] <jmazaredo_> its easy lol
[10:03] <nlitement> bur[n] er: i used 5.04, whats that called? Does it work?
[10:04] <CookedGryphon> GAIM and BMP seem to be quitting randomly, anyone got any idea y? i quit windows to get away from all that, i'm using the hoary stable vbersions
[10:04] <dieppiej> anyone have any experience with an medion md40900 usb wlan adapter, getting it working in 5.10?
[10:04] <jmazaredo_> its in /home
[10:04] <bur[n] er> nlitement: hoary... yes
[10:04] <nlitement> funny names
[10:04] <dooglus> however, breezy uses 2.6.12 and has inotify.  vanilla 2.6.12 doesn't have inotify.
[10:04] <SEXY> jmazaredo, i deleted the folder which contains the windows DIR but still tono avail
[10:04] <pluggo> nlitement, most people think that about their favorite distro :) (I'm more of a Gentoo fan... :-P)
[10:04] <dooglus> so are there specific ubuntu kernel patches?
[10:04] <Seveas> dooglus, linux-patch-ubuntu is the package you are looking for
[10:04] <nlitement> =)
[10:04] <odatubuntu> lololol on the homepage they say here is a utililty you can use if you have this problem i check and the utility isn't included lololol friggin linux crap
[10:05] <dooglus> Seveas: so lsuactiafner was telling porkies?
[10:05] <nlitement> Seveas: is the pacake updating done through ui or through commands?
[10:05] <ColonelKernel> dooglus, yeah, the ubuntu kernels and the vanilla kernels are drastically different, enough that vanilla kernels do not work properly on Ubuntu
[10:05] <Seveas> dooglus, he may be misinformed
[10:05] <Seveas> nlitement, whatever you want
[10:05] <jmazaredo_> SEXY: in ubuntu Desktop Places-> Home Folder
[10:05] <scenestar> well for some reason
[10:05] <scenestar> i enjoy ubunut
[10:05] <scenestar> its just well enginered
[10:05] <SEXY> yeah been there
[10:05] <Seveas> there's command line, curses UI and GUI
[10:06] <jmazaredo_> SEXY: your missing something
[10:06] <jmazaredo_> its hidden
[10:06] <dooglus> 20:39 < dooglus> lsuactiafner: there are ubuntu specific kernel patches aren't there?
[10:06] <dooglus> 20:39 < lsuactiafner> dooglus : no     20:39 < lsuactiafner> dooglus : and there shouldnt be
[10:06] <SEXY> jmazaredo, deleted eveything scept HOME
[10:06] <ColonelKernel> Ubuntu is fantastic , but w/o the ability to use a vanilla kernel its kinda  screwy
[10:06] <jmazaredo_> so just click VIEW Show hidden files
[10:06] <jmazaredo_> its there
[10:06] <Seveas> ColonelKernel, why do you insist on a vanilla kernel so much btw?
[10:06] <dooglus> ColonelKernel: what happens if you build a vanilla kernel and try using it with ubuntu?
[10:06] <ColonelKernel> Seveas, because I like them
[10:07] <dooglus> (I was just about to to fix the inotify bug)
[10:07] <jmazaredo_> SEXY: did ui see it?
[10:07] <SEXY> yah
[10:07] <jmazaredo_> hahaha
[10:07] <SEXY> no one told me
[10:07] <ColonelKernel> dooglus, gives a devfs error - I dont think im even using devfs, and device-mapper gives errors too
[10:07] <jmazaredo_> omg give me solar god helm
[10:07] <jmazaredo_> lol
[10:07] <SEXY> they just said to delete something
[10:07] <dooglus> ColonelKernel: 2.6.13?
[10:07] <SEXY> LOL
[10:08] <fooboy> this may be off topic
[10:08] <SEXY> IM no Ragna player
[10:08] <Seveas> jmazaredo_, SEXY, this is not a social chat channel, use #ubuntu-offtopic for that
[10:08] <ColonelKernel> dooglus, that is correct sir - 2.6.13.2 - latest stable from kernel.org
[10:08] <fooboy> is their a way to search for not inurl:ww.bal.com in google?
[10:08] <SEXY> hes helping me
[10:08] <dooglus> ColonelKernel: devfs has been removed from the kernel in 2.6.13.  (see http://lwn.net/Articles/149479/ for confirmation)
[10:08] <Seveas> ah 2.6.13 - that's not supported yet afaik
[10:08] <SEXY> it just so happens we are not that serious
[10:09] <StyXman> not-too-related question: any mp3/ogg organizer? juk keeps crashin on me...
[10:09] <apsync> 'ls' is showing old files, how can I refresh the terminal ?
[10:09] <Seveas> SEXY, then talk in private chats instead of disturbing the channel
[10:09] <Seveas> apsync, ls is always showing the current status
[10:09] <ColonelKernel> dooglus, I was under the impression that ubuntu uses UDEV
[10:09] <apsync> hmm Ok
[10:09] <dooglus> apsync: are you running 'ls' on a remotely mounted disk?
[10:09] <Seveas> ColonelKernel, ubuntu uses udev indeed
[10:10] <ColonelKernel> then why would the kernel be lookign for devfs?
[10:10] <Seveas> how should I know, it's your kernel...
[10:11] <scenestar> ugh
[10:11] <apsync> what is delete command from terminal?
[10:11] <scenestar> is there any way to get rid of the main synaptic screen?
[10:11] <apokryphos> apsync: rm
[10:11] <StyXman> apsync: rm
[10:11] <apsync> thank you
[10:11] <ColonelKernel> dooglus, considering its pretty much the same kernel config as the breezy 2.6.12 that works just fine - why would the vanilla kernel be looking to use devfs?
[10:11] <Seveas> scenestar, aptitude purge synaptic
[10:11] <apokryphos> ubotu: tell apsync about commands
[10:12] <StyXman> IMtooSEXY: I honestly doubt so :)
[10:12] <Seveas> /boot/config-2.6.12-8-686:CONFIG_DEVFS_FS=y
[10:12] <Seveas>  <-- hoary and breezy kernels do compile devfs in...
[10:13] <dooglus> ColonelKernel: I don't know, but I would guess some part of ubuntu references devfs by mistake.
[10:13] <ColonelKernel> lovely
[10:13] <nation> hi! how to get mp3 codec to ubuntu?
[10:13] <apokryphos> ubotu: tell nation about mp3
[10:13] <ColonelKernel> dooglus, do you know where I can find this stuff in the .config?
[10:13] <dooglus> fooboy: searching for "-inurl blah.com" will only find pages which don't have "blah.com" in their URL.
[10:13] <fooboy> chanks
[10:13] <dooglus> ColonelKernel: 'this stuff'?
[10:13] <fooboy> dooglus, thankyou
[10:14] <ColonelKernel> dooglus, apologies - where can I locate UDEV in the kernel config?
[10:14] <dooglus> ColonelKernel: no.  isn't it obvious though?
[10:14] <dreameen> where can i put a script that i want to start with ubuntu at boot time???
[10:15] <ColonelKernel> dooglus, no it isnt - I actually did a text search through the .config for udev and devfs and got nothing on either one
[10:15] <Seveas> dreameen, boot or login?
[10:15] <Seveas> ColonelKernel, devfs has been removed from .13 while ubuntu .12 still compiles it in
[10:15] <dreameen> boot time
[10:15] <dooglus> ColonelKernel: you're ahead of me.  I've never built a kernel in ubuntu before.  If I overtake you, I'll be sure to let you know.  :)
[10:15] <Seveas> and udev isn't just a kernel thing
[10:15] <dreameen> i need turn on process accounting at boot time
[10:15] <ColonelKernel> dooglus, alrighty, thanks anyhow
[10:15] <war-totem> can somemone tell me what i need to do to send an email through mutt?
[10:16] <Seveas> no offence, but it sounds like you would be better off sticking to ubuntu kernels
[10:16] <Seveas> dreameen, /etc/init.d and link it from /etc/rcS.d
[10:16] <odatubuntu> does anyone know how to login to webmin for the first time?
[10:16] <tylo> Anyone here have an AIW video card?
[10:16] <war-totem> i get to a screen where i type it up, but i dont see any options to send
[10:16] <vrln> anyone on breezy & noticed that there's a little aesthetic bug/error during boot?
[10:16] <Seveas> odatubuntu, did you search the wiki?
[10:16] <vrln> http://tolu.edu.hel.fi/~vrln/script.png
[10:17] <vrln> --> one of the [ok]  texts isn't positioned correctly
[10:17] <vrln> would this be worth reporting?
[10:17] <odatubuntu> seveas: i don't know what wiki your talking about and if you know why won't you just fucking tell me
[10:17] <dreameen> lemme try that
[10:17] <Raysiel> hola, can somebody please help me? kppp segfaults when i try to connect. i tried upgrading but there's no way to make it run correctly
[10:17] <Seveas> odatubuntu, last time, watch your language
[10:17] <Seveas> wiki is wiki.ubuntu.com
[10:18] <Seveas> and I don't tell you directly because i don't want to spell it out all the time. That's why it's on the wiki.
[10:18] <tristanmike> odatubuntu, why the poor att.?
[10:18] <tristanmike> odatubuntu, having a *real* bad day I hope
[10:18] <bur[n] er> lol
[10:19] <bur[n] er> Seveas: I still think you're great ;)
[10:19] <dooglus> is there a GNOME kernel config utility?  'make xconfig' seems to want me to have QT libraries.  yuck!
[10:19] <bur[n] er> dooglus: make menuconfig is curses based
[10:19] <lsuactiafner> dooglus : make menuconfig
[10:19] <annex> Is there an easy way to install an older version of the nVidia driver?  Synaptic only lists one possible version?  Or will I have to go through the steps of manually installing it?
[10:19] <Raysiel> or can somebody suggest me a graphical alternative to kppp?
[10:20] <odatubuntu> well just like always a couple of suggestion that don't work
[10:20] <odatubuntu> typical linux
[10:20] <bur[n] er> :)
[10:20] <ompaul> devfs - ahhh all hail reg Kroah
[10:20] <dooglus> lsuactiafner: I found out there are lots of ubuntu-specific kernel patches.  why were you telling me ubuntu uses a vanilla kernel?
[10:20] <tristanmike> ouch
[10:20] <ompaul> greg that is
[10:20] <alec_> hi everyone
[10:20] <lsuactiafner> dooglus : then make bzImage modules modules_install ; your kerel should be in arch/x86_64/boot/bzImage where x86_64 refers to your cpu type
[10:20] <Raysiel> Seveas: he deserved it
[10:21] <alec_> anybody know how to use wine to install LimeWire????
[10:21] <lsuactiafner> dooglus : because it should. actually i didnt know there was patches, i make+run my own kernel.
[10:21] <dooglus> lsuactiafner: with ubuntu?
[10:21] <lsuactiafner> i think ppl who produce+release the kernel would include patches if they were any good to start with.
[10:21] <mike23> greetings
[10:21] <bur[n] er> alec_: just use gtk-gnutella
[10:21] <lsuactiafner> on any linux distribution i compile my own kernels.
[10:22] <Seveas> lsuactiafner, that is soooo 2003 ;)
[10:22] <scenestar> hmmm
[10:22] <lsuactiafner> old skool
[10:22] <vrln> what package contains the scripts in /etc/rcS.d
[10:22] <vrln> ?
[10:22] <vrln> I'd need to file a bug about one of the scripts
[10:22] <vrln> err
[10:22] <vrln> sorry, I meant the ones in /etc/init.d of course
[10:22] <Seveas> vrln, every package can contain a script there
[10:22] <Seveas> which one specifically?
[10:22] <dooglus> lsuactiafner: ColonelKernel was just saying that vanilla 2.6.13 kernel won't even run with ubuntu
[10:22] <scenestar> Seveas: google it
[10:23] <vrln> Seveas: http://tolu.edu.hel.fi/~vrln/script.png <- the one that mounts local filesystems
[10:23] <scenestar> and the vanilla kernel sucks
[10:23] <scenestar> if you want that
[10:23] <lsuactiafner> root@infant-finite ~
[10:23] <scenestar> you should consider using debian
[10:23] <lsuactiafner> 4926 uname -a
[10:23] <lsuactiafner> Linux infant-finite 2.6.13 #1 Wed Aug 31 22:04:16 SAST 2005 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[10:23] <vrln> it echoes the [ok]  part in a wrong place geometry wise
[10:23] <vrln> Seveas: not a huge deal, but a little aesthetic problem :)
[10:23] <lsuactiafner> obviously it works on ubuntu
[10:23] <mike23> downloaded kde edutainment package and the tab shows up under the gnome foot on my tool bar but after 10 or fifteen minutes it disappears. the programs are still executable from the command line?
[10:23] <Seveas> lsuactiafner, as i thought already
[10:23] <tylo> Anyone here have an All-In-Wonder video card?
[10:23] <lsuactiafner> and if a patch debian applies to a kernel is so great ect, it would be included in the vanilla kernel.
[10:23] <vrln> Senjin: it's one of the scripts that are always run by default, "out of the box"
[10:23] <mike23> has anyone else seen this odd behavior?
[10:24] <Seveas> he SO gave the impression of being clueless :)
[10:24] <Seveas> vrln, package is initscripts
[10:24] <alec_> bur[n] er: wheres that at
[10:24] <vrln> Seveas: thank you
[10:24] <scenestar> hmmm
[10:24] <bur[n] er> !tell alec_ about repositories
[10:24] <scenestar> i got a silly question
[10:24] <bur[n] er> !tell alec_ about synaptic
[10:24] <scenestar> how can i fully stop using windows?
[10:24] <alec_> bur[n] er: what are you doing
[10:25] <Seveas> scenestar, mkfs.ext3 /dev/your_windows_partition
[10:25] <alec_> bur[n] er: cool
[10:25] <mike23> screenstar:use ubuntu
[10:25] <alec_> bur[n] er: i made those other ones
[10:25] <ompaul> scenestar, return your windows disk to its maker, use ubuntu, learn stuff
[10:25] <alec_> bur[n] er: that you had to add
[10:25] <dooglus> scenestar: I went to a hypnotist.
[10:26] <scenestar> meh
[10:26] <dooglus> scenestar: now, whenever I boot into Windows I get violently ill.
[10:26] <Seveas> and when I snap my fingers you will all wake up
[10:26] <dooglus> scenestar: I recommend it.
[10:26] <Seveas> *snap*
[10:26] <scenestar> dooglus: i allways force myself to us elinux
[10:26] <scenestar> i start to love it
[10:26] <Seveas> good
[10:26] <Seveas> that's phase 1 :)
[10:26] <scenestar> than i go back to school and they force me to sue doze
[10:26] <scenestar> use*
[10:26] <lsuactiafner> one thing that still pissed me off about linux is not being able to write to NTFS.
[10:27] <Seveas> lsuactiafner, captive is a possibility
[10:27] <scenestar> yeah
[10:27] <lsuactiafner> need to keep hogging my flatmate
[10:27] <scenestar> well
[10:27] <lsuactiafner> 's pc to write to my mobile disk
[10:27] <Seveas> otherwise: blame MS for not releasing the specs
[10:27] <scenestar> the best reason for me to use windows
[10:27] <calaretu> hi all
[10:27] <scenestar> is that is pisses off my teachers
[10:27] <lundner> lsuactiafner, but thats not linux's fault ;-)
[10:27] <lsuactiafner> still, someone should be able to crack ntfs / reverse engineer it
[10:28] <somedude_> I wanna buy more mem for my ubuntu sys.. i have 512 PC2700 and want 512 more.. the thing is pc3200 is cheaper so could i buy that for my Abit NF7 V2.0 mobo??
[10:28] <Seveas> that would be illegal and not really tolerated in kernel land...
[10:28] <lundner> lsuactiafner, but one could use ext3 as well or not?!
[10:28] <scenestar> yes it should
[10:28] <scenestar> MSFT abuses open standards
[10:28] <lsuactiafner> lundner : needs to be compatible with windows pcs..
[10:28] <Seveas> somedude_, mixing PC2700 and PC3200 may prove to be 'interesting'
[10:29] <scenestar> anwyasy
[10:29] <calaretu> running a liveCD first time... for test... and... i don't now how to view what is in my comp. (hard drive)...
[10:29] <somedude_> Seveas, how? :/
[10:29] <lundner> lsuactiafner, there is a driver for windows that works without any bugs ;-)
[10:29] <scenestar> calaretu: you have to get used to it
[10:29] <scenestar> theres no c:\
[10:29] <bur[n] er> the pc3200 just runs slower
[10:29] <Seveas> bur[n] er, ah
[10:29] <kemik> mixing diff. RAM isnt adviced (at least not if you gonna run dual channel mode)
[10:29] <calaretu> ?
[10:30] <alec_> can anybody help me install limewire with wine
[10:30] <lundner> lsuactiafner, http://e2fsprogs.sourceforge.net/ext2.html
[10:30] <scenestar> dammit
[10:30] <scenestar> why wont wine utils run
[10:30] <pluggo> captive is pretty easy to get going... unmask, emerge captive
[10:30] <pluggo> err... forgot this isn't the gentoo channel :)
[10:30] <kemik> emerge? gentoo
[10:30] <kemik> :P
[10:30] <Seveas> lol :)
[10:30] <kati> ???
[10:30] <pluggo> misfire! :)
[10:30] <somedude_> kemik, hmm.. okey.. that sounded like u knew something hehe.. so ill take your word on it! :) hehe
[10:30] <alec_> can anybody help me with limewire
[10:31] <Seveas> alec_: please stop repeating the same question. If someone knows, (s)he will answer. You can try posting on the mailing list too.
[10:31] <ompaul> !tell calaretu about ntfs
[10:31] <ompaul> calaretu, well you can have a look at the info that ubotu just sent you
[10:31] <kati> seid ihr alles irgendwie so computerfreaks?
[10:31] <tristanmike> yuk limewire
[10:31] <alec_> Seveas: what is the mailing list
[10:31] <pluggo> alec__, just install wine and run the installer with wine
[10:31] <kemik> somedude_:  well, it works for some ppl, and not for some.. its a bit of a gamble.. but if you're not dualchanneling (ie nForce 2 or better then there shouldnt be a problem)
[10:31] <Seveas> kati, ein bisschen, aber wir sprechen english hier
[10:31] <kati> Oh, sorry
[10:31] <Seveas> fuer deutsch -> #ubuntu-de
[10:31] <ompaul> !nl
[10:31] <ubotu> Op #ubuntu-nl staat de koffie al voor je klaar.
[10:31] <scenestar> hahaha
[10:31] <alec_> plugoo: hey thanks
[10:31] <scenestar> is dat zo?
[10:31] <ompaul> !de
[10:31] <ubotu> de is probably #ubuntu-de bitte.
[10:31] <scenestar> lekker
[10:31] <Seveas> ompaul, wrong language ;)
[10:31] <lundner> Seveas, looool
[10:31] <alec_> plugoo: let me try
[10:31] <lsuactiafner> !tell lsuactiafner about ntfs
[10:32] <ompaul> Seveas, well you answered and there were no caps :)
[10:32] <kati> Are you only talking about computer?
[10:32] <somedude_> kemik, i have a nforce2 mobo = dualchannel?
[10:32] <Krneki> hay
[10:32] <kati> ?????????
[10:32] <Seveas> kati, well, this is a support channel for ubuntu linux, so yeah :)
[10:32] <Krneki> which package is for g++
[10:32] <kemik> somedude_:  nforce2 are capable of dualchannel (however you're not required to use the ability... but it's a nice speedup)
[10:32] <Seveas> Krneki, g++ :)
[10:32] <Seveas> (or better: build-essential)
[10:32] <Krneki> yes if i use apt-get
[10:32] <alec_> plugoo: i can't find the installer
[10:33] <kemik> somedude_:  i recommend you to read at arstechnica/anandtech/tomshardware or some website like that
[10:33] <kemik> for more insight ;)
[10:33] <Seveas> Krneki, g++ is in the package named g++
[10:33] <pluggo> alec__: You have to download the installer from wherever you get limewire for windows, it's the same installer
[10:33] <ompaul> Seveas, sorry just read what you said ... I need my eye to brain channel fixed :)
[10:33] <Seveas> but you'd better install build-essential since you might need more than just g++
[10:33] <somedude_> kemik, hehe.. ok ok.. im not sure if im using dualchannel.. Maybe u know a easy way of finding out? :P
[10:33] <alec_> plugoo: OOo i downloaded the linux version
[10:33] <kemik> somedude_:  consult your motherboard manual ;)
[10:33] <alec_> plugoo; the rpm package
[10:33] <calaretu> have ubuntu a kde interface... gnome seems to be dificult for me...
[10:33] <ompaul> wheres the mirror
[10:34] <calaretu> look for a live cd
[10:34] <somedude_> kemik, hehehe.. ok! >;)
[10:34] <lundner> calaretu, it's called kubuntu ;-)
[10:34] <Seveas> calaretu, if you want just kde, give kubuntu a try (ubuntu with KDE only, no gnome)
[10:34] <pluggo> alec__: are you trying to use limewire or openoffice?
[10:34] <lsuactiafner> ...install-static-1.1.5.tar.bz2:  ETA: 130:43    0.01/  2.87 MB  383.37 B/s
[10:34] <lsuactiafner> bleh
[10:34] <somedude_> kemik, ill hang out here while reading.. just in case - lol
[10:35] <calaretu> aha... thank's... and is a liveCD ?
[10:35] <Seveas> calaretu, it has a live cd too
[10:35] <lsuactiafner> good thing gentoo mirrors almost any conceivable source package
[10:35] <ompaul> calaretu, yes, you can get it with the liveCD
[10:35] <calaretu> want to test it first... to know what is good for me...
[10:35] <alec_> plugoo: limewire
[10:36] <ompaul> lsuactiafner, out the door turn left third door on the right thats #gentoo this is #ubuntu
[10:36] <calaretu> ok, thank's!
[10:36] <kemik> somedude_:  http://www.digit-life.com/articles2/nforce2-1vs2channels/ try that link
[10:36] <alec_> plugoo: how do i open the installer
[10:36] <pluggo> alec__: What are you doing with OOo then? You need wine first, then the limewire windows installer
[10:36] <alec_> plugoo: i have wine
[10:36] <somedude_> kemik, ok - thanks!! :)
[10:36] <alec_> plugoo: and the LimeWire win installer
[10:37] <ompaul> lsuactiafner, and you are sure there is no .deb of this package?
[10:37] <lsuactiafner> ompaul : just saying, nice to have source mirrors where i can ls *captive*
[10:37] <lsuactiafner> to get source
[10:37] <alec_> plugoo: what's is the command to run it
[10:37] <lsuactiafner> ompaul : apt-cache didnt say anything
[10:37] <pluggo> alec__: OK, open a shell and do "wine installer.exe"
[10:37] <alec_> plugoo: terminal or root
[10:37] <ompaul> lsuactiafner, have you installed universe and multiverse?
[10:38] <ompaul> lsuactiafner, for apt?
[10:38] <lsuactiafner> ompaul : yes
[10:38] <ompaul> lsuactiafner, hoary-extras (or breezy if that is what you are running)
[10:38] <Seveas> is captive in -extras now?
[10:39] <alec_> plugoo: it syas it cannot find the installer
[10:39] <lsuactiafner> deb http://public.planetmirror.com/pub/ubuntu-backports/ hoary-extras main universe multiverse restricted
[10:39] <alec_> plugoo: does it need to be in the home directory
[10:39] <pluggo> alec__ not sure how permissions are in ubuntu, user should work though
[10:39] <ompaul> Seveas, no I am asking lsuactiafner if that has been checked
[10:39] <pluggo> alec__: What does, Wine?
[10:39] <alec_> plugoo: wait what?
[10:39] <alec_> plugoo: no limewiere
[10:40] <ColonelKernel> ok so it appears the problem is that the ubuntu kernels use the devfs option even w/o load automatically at boot, and the vanilla kernel 2.6.12.2 doesnt have this option, so basically ubuntu cant use vanilla kernels. Lovely.
[10:40] <alec_> plugoo: i open the terminal, and type
[10:40] <nlitement> live cd again :D
[10:40] <alec_> plugoo: wine install.exe
[10:40] <ColonelKernel> what a shame, the distro is so nice.
[10:40] <ompaul> Seveas, I just checked - guess I did things wrong way around that time
[10:40] <Seveas> ColonelKernel, once again, BS
[10:40] <dooglus> scenestar: 22:04 <@Seveas> dooglus, linux-patch-ubuntu is the package you are looking for
[10:40] <alec_> plugoo: it says file cannot be found
[10:40] <Seveas> ubuntu runs even 2.6.13 just fine, ask lsuactiafner
[10:40] <alec_> plugoo: code error #1
[10:40] <ColonelKernel> Seveas, sorry, but thems the breaks.
[10:40] <dooglus> Seveas: is that really the name of the package?
[10:40] <nlitement> how can i open a new server connection in xchat?
[10:40] <pluggo> alec__: And the file is called install.exe in the current directory?
[10:40] <lsuactiafner> dooglus : it does run fine
[10:40] <Seveas> ColonelKernel, correct your config and fix your other errors, this is not ubuntus fault.
[10:41] <dooglus> lsuactiafner: tell ColonelKernel
[10:41] <alec_> plugoo: let me check
[10:41] <nlitement> hey? :(
[10:41] <Hoxzer> you're beautiful you're beautiful its truth
[10:41] <alec_> plugoo: sorry if i'm wasting your time
[10:41] <alec_> plugoo: i'm sort of new
[10:41] <ColonelKernel> Seveas, kernel config is fine, its the same config ubuntu uses. Vanilla doesnt have the same options as the ubuntu.
[10:41] <Seveas> dooglus, linux-patch-ubuntu-2.6.10 (hoary) or ..12 (breezy)
[10:41] <lsuactiafner> ColonelKernel : Linux infant-finite 2.6.13 #1 Wed Aug 31 22:04:16 SAST 2005 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[10:41] <bur[n] er> alec_: check out gift or gtk-gnutella
[10:41] <Seveas> ColonelKernel, thats exactly you problem
[10:41] <bur[n] er> limewire is just a gnutella client... (and is crap)
[10:41] <ColonelKernel> lsuactiafner, thats nice.
[10:41] <somedude_> kemik, fyi - "t needs two smaller memory modules instead of one big module" thats dual channel :)
[10:41] <blueyed> Can I see how the kernel I use was configured? The value of CONFIG_BRIDGE for example..
[10:41] <dooglus> Seveas: duh, of course.  sorry.
[10:41] <ColonelKernel> Seveas, yes, since I created the kernel source.
[10:41] <Seveas> don't use a config made for ubuntu on a vanilla kernel
[10:42] <ColonelKernel> I didnt use the straight config.
[10:42] <Seveas> rolling your own kernel means rolling your own config
[10:42] <lsuactiafner> blueyed : grep CONFIG_BRIDGE /usr/src/linux/.config
[10:42] <dooglus> Seveas: one last thing...  if I install "linux-src", does that already have the patches applied?
[10:42] <din> imo making your own kernel is better
[10:42] <lundner> what is the adress of the breezy backports and extras?
[10:42] <Seveas> linux-source-2.6.* includes the patches
[10:42] <alec_> plugoo: no it says wine cant open it
[10:42] <lsuactiafner> din : agreed.
[10:42] <apokryphos> lundner: think about what you're saying there
[10:42] <kemik> somedude_:  mmh i know.. but you had 1 512mb and was gonna buy anohter 512, right ?
[10:42] <apokryphos> lundner: breezy *backports*?
[10:42] <alec_> bur[n] er: gift?
[10:42] <lsuactiafner> more effort, but keeps things smoother for me
[10:43] <din> heh, you guys wanna see the webcam in my office ? :p
[10:43] <alec_> bur[n] er: gtk-gnutella
[10:43] <alec_> bur[n] er:?
[10:43] <apokryphos> lundner: some breezy-extras at seveas.ubuntulinux.nl though
[10:43] <somedude_> kemik, no :( i hade 2 x 256
[10:43] <somedude_> *had
[10:43] <din> mplayer http://24.144.40.2:1234
[10:43] <lsuactiafner> din : what program you use to run the webcam?
[10:43] <kemik> somedude_:  if youre adding a 512 to that you can still do dualchannel
[10:43] <alec_> bur[n] er: can you explain to me
[10:43] <ompaul> din, your connection is about to fall through the floor I think :)
[10:43] <din> i use the pwc driver to run it, vlc to stream it out
[10:44] <din> ompaul: nah, i have 10mb up
[10:44] <somedude_> kemik, ooh??.. are u sure?.. i have to admit i didnt read all of it..
[10:44] <alec_> plugoo: you there?
[10:44] <nlitement> what proggies do i need in ubuntu to get .mov files worx? :(
[10:44] <ompaul> din in that case :)
[10:44] <din> heh
[10:44] <Seveas> nlitement, mplayer or totem-xine
[10:44] <Seveas> and w32codecs
[10:44] <pluggo> alec__: Not sure what your problem is... I'd try downloading another windows program and seeing if you can make that work in wine first
[10:44] <pluggo> alec__: Try something simple, like PuTTY
[10:44] <kemik> somedude_:  if you have 3memory slots and your mobo supports it, yes
[10:45] <alec_> plugoo: i dont think wine works
[10:45] <alec_> plugoo: what's putty
[10:45] <ompaul> din you readin the logs or this?
[10:45] <kemik> somedude_:  "there are two most optimal cases: equal memory modules inserted into the first and second slots, or three modules, with the first one being equal to the sum of the other two modules. "
[10:45] <alec_> plugoo: can you talk to me in a seperate window please?
[10:45] <lsuactiafner> din : pwc drivers?
[10:45] <dooglus> Seveas: thanks a lot.
[10:45] <din> i can see when people connect if that's what you mean
[10:45] <fooboy> is thier anyway to use ipfilters on ubuntu
[10:45] <din> lsuactiafner: one sec
[10:46] <din> lsuactiafner: http://www.saillard.org/pwc/
[10:46] <michi> hi folks, why does ubuntus module-assistant not contain the ndiswrapper kernel module? like its on debian?
[10:46] <ColonelKernel> nope, no devfs options in 2.6.13 - I dont know how you got that working with ubuntu lsuactiafner, but it aint gonna happen here.
[10:46] <somedude_> kemik, ahaaaa.. schweeet
[10:46] <alec_> plugoo: please help, no one will help
[10:46] <din> hah my boss walked in :p
[10:46] <somedude_> kemik, so that means ive goto put my (soon to be) 512 in the first slot and the rest on the others right?
[10:46] <Pshivers>  anyone know wich desklets that they us as a menu on this screen http://vidalinux.com/gallery/albums/album01/screen_vlos_02.sized.png
[10:46] <Seveas> din, I saq that
[10:46] <Seveas> busted! :)
[10:46] <kemik> somedude_:  yea
[10:46] <din> lol
[10:47] <lsuactiafner> where do i put in hoary-extras in my sources for captive?
[10:47] <kemik> somedude_:  but i would consult the motherboard manual to make sure
[10:47] <Seveas> saw*
[10:47] <din> :)
[10:47] <somedude_> kemik, ok - im with you! :) Now ive goto make sure it supports dual channel
[10:47] <lsuactiafner> thanks din
[10:47] <din> lsuactiafner: np
[10:47] <somedude_> ok brb :)
[10:47] <nogf> people may i ask : can i use the tar comand to view a .tgz with out extracting it to a folder?
[10:47] <din> one sec, shutting my door
[10:47] <nogf> (im out of disk space
[10:47] <nlitement> hmm
[10:47] <nlitement> where can i get the mov plugin from?
[10:47] <ColonelKernel> lsuactiafner, how did you get 2.6.13 to work with ubuntu? Is there a howto anywhere?
[10:47] <somedude_> wtf was that stream?.. only grean
[10:47] <michi> nogf,  man tar
[10:48] <dooglus> nogf: you can use tar to list its contents without extracting it, but not to view the files.
[10:48] <Seveas> nogf, tar ztf file.tgz
[10:48] <lsuactiafner> nogf : i use mc to open it and browse it (mc - midnight commander)
[10:48] <dooglus> that will just like the contents
[10:48] <blueyed> lsuactiafner: thanks. But it seems I have no "/usr/src/linux/.config" (also after apt-get install linux-source-..) - it's the default hoary kernel that's installed.
[10:48] <nogf> thanks guys :)
[10:48] <GhostFreeman> ok, I can't get sound in Totem-xine
[10:48] <michi> why does ubuntus module-assiatnt not contain ndiswrapper?
[10:48] <lsuactiafner> ColonelKernel : just make menuconfig your own .config file. should work.
[10:48] <dooglus> lsuactiafner: you have to 'configure' the sources
[10:48] <michi> or am i blind?
[10:48] <nogf> im in a terminall only so that is helpfull
[10:48] <ompaul> din what do you use for that output?
[10:48] <ColonelKernel> sigh
[10:48] <durt> if i set my VertRefresh too high, will it kill my laptop?
[10:48] <Seveas> michi, because it comes preinstalled
[10:48] <ompaul> din what do you use for capturing that output?
[10:48] <dooglus> "make menuconfig"
[10:49] <ColonelKernel> oh well. Thanks anyhow.
[10:49] <alfonso> hi
[10:49] <din> ompaul: vlc streams it
[10:49] <Kejk_PL> durt: probably no
[10:49] <ompaul> ahh
[10:49] <Kejk_PL> durt: i'm pretty sure that no
[10:49] <ColonelKernel> maybe the release on oct 13 will give me better results.
[10:49] <durt> ok
[10:49] <alfonso> just a doubt... how could I add and additional session to GDM? i want to be able to run enlightenment from GDM Menu... I'm using Ubuntu 5.10
[10:49] <lsuactiafner> blueyed : not sure if this will work : cat /proc/config.gz > config.gz ; gunzip config.gz
[10:49] <din> hah, you guys see yourself typing
[10:49] <Seveas> :)
[10:49] <nlitement> How can i open a new server window in xchat? :(
[10:50] <fooboy> does ubuntu use packet filters
[10:50] <lsuactiafner> durt : might hurt it
[10:50] <lsuactiafner> in theory
[10:50] <Seveas> alfonso, the enlightenment packages should install such a session file
[10:50] <michi> Seveas,  ok
[10:50] <tristanmike> "X-Chat-New-ServerWindow"
[10:50] <Seveas> nlitement, /newserver server.name.here
[10:50] <michi> i never used ubuntu before
[10:50] <Kejk_PL> lsuactiafner: and on very old CRT monitors
[10:50] <ompaul> nlitement, x-chat serverlist
[10:50] <apokryphos> Seveas: I don't think they do actually
[10:50] <nlitement> yay! \o/
[10:50] <sambagirl> what is gentoo?
[10:50] <durt> will the screen explode?
[10:50] <apokryphos> Seveas: tutorials on installing E mention that you should make the respective enlightenment.desktop
[10:50] <Seveas> sambagirl, gentoo is a file manager
[10:50] <alfonso> mmm Seveas where is that file supposed to be installed? I think it shoudl be located in /etc/gdm/Sessions... but there's no directory called like this
[10:50] <ompaul> michi, out the door turn left third door on the right thats #gentoo this is #ubuntu :-)
[10:50] <sambagirl> oh
[10:51] <din> gentoo is a distro too
[10:51] <dooglus> nlitement: use "connect in new tab" in the server list
[10:51] <apokryphos> sambagirl: an X file manager, that is.
[10:51] <Seveas> (there also exists a linux distribution with that name)
[10:51] <sambagirl> Seveas, you just konw everything.
[10:51] <din> i think the file manager came first
[10:51] <nlitement> ty for the info!
[10:51] <Seveas> sambagirl, not nearly...
[10:51] <ompaul> it is also a type of penguin
[10:51] <apokryphos> din: it did
[10:51] <sambagirl> bob2 knows the other stuff then
[10:51] <blueyed> lsuactiafner: /proc/config.gz: No such file or directory :(
[10:51] <din> i use both ubuntu and gentoo
[10:51] <Seveas> bob2, knows much more than me :)
[10:52] <nlitement> Where does the livecd put all the stuff i save???
[10:52] <michi> blueyed,  so your kernel does not keep its config in /proc
[10:52] <tristanmike> i wish i know 1/32 as either of you
[10:52] <ompaul> bob2, knows more than almost anyone ever anytime and then some
[10:52] <lsuactiafner> as i heard, the guy that started gentoo is working for microsoft now
[10:52] <ompaul> lsuactiafner, you heard correctly
[10:53] <apokryphos> ompaul: if we're having competitions, I think Zimmerman beats him :P
[10:53] <alec_> my wine program doesn't work, what do i do????
[10:53] <dooglus> Seveas: the enlightenment package doesn't install a session file - i raised a bug about it just a few days ago: https://launchpad.net/malone/bugs/2381
[10:53] <blueyed> michi: any chance to get it? it's the hoary kernel (2.6.10)
[10:53] <Seveas> nlitement, in memory
[10:53] <Seveas> so you lose it when rebooting
[10:53] <tristanmike> w.e.a.k.
[10:53] <ompaul> apokryphos, that would be Phil?
[10:53] <Seveas> dooglus, the e17 packages do ;)
[10:53] <lsuactiafner> i wouldnt mind to work for them. nice benefits, but heard some employees prefer google.
[10:53] <dooglus> Seveas: the "enlightenment" package doesn't
[10:53] <dooglus> (in universe)
[10:53] <apokryphos> ompaul: nope, mdz.
[10:54] <dooglus> Seveas: are the e17 packages in universe?
[10:54] <tristanmike> at google, you get one of those motion propelled scooter things, I forget what they're called
[10:54] <michi> blueyed, maybe ubuntu install stuff like the config of the kernel images somewhere in /usr/share or so, iam totaly new to ubuntu so i dnt know
[10:54] <Seveas> Matt Zimmermann aka Ubuntu CTO
[10:54] <apokryphos> ubotu: tell dooglus about e
[10:54] <Seveas> dooglus, no, 3rd party repo
[10:54] <alec_> wine doesn't work anybody know why????????
[10:54] <Seveas> alec_, because wine sucks
[10:54] <nlitement> seveas: RAM?
[10:54] <ompaul> apokryphos, yeah, read what I said again, :) there was room :)
[10:54] <tristanmike> lol
[10:54] <Seveas> find a linux alternative for what you want to run
[10:54] <nlitement> seveas: what if i dl 100gigs of l33t pr0n?
[10:54] <alec_> Seveas: then what do i use
[10:54] <apokryphos> ompaul: eheh?
[10:54] <Seveas> nlitement, you'll get an out-of-memory error
[10:54] <alec_> Seveas: Limewire doesnt work
[10:55] <Seveas> alec_, gtk-gnutella
[10:55] <Seveas> or mldonkey
[10:55] <alec_> Seveas: what is that?
[10:55] <Seveas> or whatever...
[10:55] <QMario> How do I tell Ubuntu where to find Java Archives in order to use them for compilation?
[10:55] <pussfeller> whats the thingge that sets the network up called
[10:55] <Seveas> those are linux p2p programs
[10:55] <ompaul> apokryphos, I siad almost - that gave me room to have more people in there
[10:55] <pussfeller> from te cli
[10:55] <apokryphos> alec_: a GTK client that runs on the gnutella network
[10:55] <fooboy> can i run ipfilters on ubuntu
[10:55] <alec_> Seveas: it's a p2p for Linux?!?!
[10:55] <tylo> Anyone here have an All-In-Wonder video card?
[10:55] <Seveas> yes
[10:55] <Seveas> ^-- to alec_
[10:55] <somedude_> kemik, this is what i got.. FYI.. my mobo (Abit NF7 v2.0) only supports 2 DDR400 and only then "DUAL CHANNEL".. problem solved.. i goto by 2 mems and throw away my others.. hehe.. Thanks for your help VERY much appriciated!!!
[10:56] <dooglus> alec_: no.  it can't be done.  p2p only runs on windows xp.  linux is for boring stuff like servers only.
[10:56] <tristanmike> lol
[10:56] <gasp> hullo
[10:56] <fredforfaen> I want to get my hdc disk on my desktop , as a icon , how do i do that?
[10:56] <Seveas> grin@dooglus
[10:56] <Seveas> fredforfaen, ln -s /mountpoint/pf/dev/hdc ~/Desktop
[10:56] <tristanmike> and the common man should stay away from Linux is for the programming elite
[10:56] <bur[n] er> alec_: amule, gift, gtk-gnutella, etc.
[10:56] <dooglus> bittorrent works on linux, but only for downloading more linux isos.
[10:57] <Seveas> fredforfaen, ln -s /mountpoint/pf/dev/hdc ~/Desktop/hdc (this works better)
[10:57] <fooboy> can i use Ipfilters on ubuntu
[10:57] <dooglus> it has a built-in "pink filter" which detects porn.
[10:57] <fredforfaen> cool Sevas
[10:57] <alec_> bur[n] er: so those are p2p's
[10:57] <apokryphos> ompaul: cheater 8)
[10:57] <fredforfaen> thanx a lot
[10:57] <dooglus> alec_: see also azureus
[10:57] <Seveas> alec_, how hard is it to understand the word 'yes'?
[10:57] <ColonelKernel> make oldconfig uses the options from your old config and asks you about the differences, right?
[10:57] <QMario> Hello ompaul and Seveas!!! :)
[10:58] <vrln> dooglus: if you'd like to see e17 packages in backports, go vote for it at http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=64759&page=2 :)
[10:58] <dooglus> vrln: I wouldn't.
[10:58] <lsuactiafner> ColonelKernel : its ugly.
[10:58] <alec_> dooglus says only for server stuff
[10:58] <dooglus> vrln: I don't use backports.
[10:58] <kemik> somedude_:  np.... but dont expect too dramatic speedups.. (i hope you read the conclusion from my link at least ;) )
[10:58] <dooglus> alec_: I was being silly.
[10:58] <Seveas> ...as usual
[10:58] <alec_> i see
[10:58] <QMario> I haven't seen you in a long time.
[10:58] <Seveas> :p
[10:58] <vrln> dooglus: hm... is universe actively maintained these days?
[10:58] <dooglus> alec_: amule, bittorrent, azureus, gift and many more are p2p for linux, yes.
[10:58] <bamama> i have a problem with 'dpkg'
[10:58] <Seveas> hi QMario
[10:58] <ompaul> apokryphos, na just been caught once or four times :)
[10:59] <alec_> i guess thats what i get for being new
[10:59] <vrln> last time I tried ubuntu, it wasn't - it was just a snapshot of debians contrib
[10:59] <alec_> hey thanks
[10:59] <ompaul> QMario, evening
[10:59] <dsas> vrln: yes, some of it
[10:59] <dooglus> vrln: I don't know.  They sure are slow to respond to any bug reports.
[10:59] <ColonelKernel> lsuactiafner, ok, so I should just give up because the vanilla kernel doesnt work with ubuntu without some serious patching. THanks.
[10:59] <vrln> dooglus: (just switched back 2 days ago)
[10:59] <Seveas> vrln, universe is very actively maintained
[10:59] <apokryphos> vrln: we have the dear MOTU
[10:59] <vrln> Seveas: does this mean I could try to request them to package E17 and update the packages every now and then?
[10:59] <Seveas> vrln, if you're interested: wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU (and the pages it links to) have more info
[10:59] <vrln> :-)
[10:59] <dsas> vrln: the guys in #ubuntu-motu keep the universe going
[11:00] <vrln> interesting
[11:00] <bamama> when I type dpkg -i sd.deb it says: error in file /var/lib/dpkg/avaible - field name 'onal' must be followed by colon. What is that?
[11:00] <dooglus> Seveas: I waited months for a simple re-upload of a universe package because someone uploaded an 'empty' version.
[11:00] <vrln> nice system, things have surely changed since the first release
[11:00] <Seveas> vrln, if e17 wouldnt suck so hard they might ;)
[11:00] <vrln> Seveas: ehm...
[11:00] <vrln> Seveas: I've been using it as the only WM for a year already
[11:00] <bamama> when I type dpkg -i sd.deb it says: error in file /var/lib/dpkg/avaible - field name 'onal' must be followed by colon. What is that?
[11:00] <alec_> dooglus: which one is the best
[11:00] <vrln> it's quite usable actually, depends on how you define usable
[11:00] <jdermer> wuts a good alternative to firefox
[11:00] <Seveas> vrln, I just expressed my opinion :)
[11:00] <alec_> dooglus: sorry for bothering
[11:00] <michi> is the /etc/sudoers file replaced if sudo is updated? cause during setup i have never been asked for the root pw? would be bad to not have a pw set or dont know it if sudo would stop working
[11:01] <bamama> anybody?
[11:01] <Seveas> michi, no, /etc/sudoers is not altered during updates
[11:01] <nlitement> Is there a trash bin in the full ubuntu version??
[11:01] <dooglus> alec_: I like bittorrent, but it's command line.  azureus is a graphic bittorrent client, but it's java.
[11:01] <michi> ok
[11:01] <michi> :P
[11:01] <fredforfaen> Seveas ok now its a folder on my desktop , thats all good , but i want it to be a hd icon for it , any ideas?
[11:01] <dsas> nlitement: yes, it's in the bottom left corner
[11:01] <holycow>  nlitement full ubuntu? no such thing, but yes there is a trash b in
[11:01] <Seveas> bamama, it means your 'available' database is screwed up
[11:01] <dsas> nlitement: sorry bottom right
[11:01] <Seveas> bamama, sudo dselect update may help
[11:01] <dooglus> alec_: amule connects to the edonkey network - there's a lot of stuff there, but it takes ages for your downloads to get going fast.
[11:01] <nlitement> dsas: i have live, no bin :S
[11:01] <nlitement> ah
[11:01] <alec_> dooglus: hmmm i always get into trouble with java
[11:01] <nlitement> didn notice dsas :D
[11:02] <tristanmike> Seveas, since I have never used it, and I do hear good things about it, why about e17 don't you like so I can weigh that against the good?
[11:02] <dalamar> my trashbin is never full! or so breezy likes to think ;)
[11:02] <alec_> dooglus: i would like a graphic one
[11:02] <jdermer> anyonW ?
[11:02] <jdodson> \q
[11:02] <alec_> dooglus: so bittorrent is good
[11:02] <dooglus> alec_: bittorrent runs in a terminal.
[11:02] <alec_> dooglus: when i want to download something i have to type the exact file name
[11:02] <Seveas> tristanmike, I couldn't get used to the way it works/doesn't work in the few days I tried it
[11:02] <dooglus> alec_: try amule
[11:02] <Seveas> so don't take my opinion as too valuable :)
[11:03] <alec_> dooglus: i tried to load it
[11:03] <tristanmike> lol, ok
[11:03] <tristanmike> thanx
[11:03] <alec_> dooglus: but i had to open some file
[11:03] <dooglus> alec_: nicotine is good for music, too
[11:03] <alec_> dooglus: what about programs
[11:03] <apokryphos> tristanmike: it has a few good things, a few aesthetically pleasing things; it's worth trying out for the "cool" shock. It's just simply not complete enough to be too efficient
[11:03] <apokryphos> (it is only a WM, too, of course)
[11:04] <dooglus> I use a wicked cool app to get all my programs.  it's called "apt-get".  don't tell anyone though or all the lamers will start using it.
[11:04] <lsuactiafner> blackbox is the way to go..
[11:04] <tristanmike> ahh i see, i was intending when the stable version came out :)
[11:04] <pussfeller> has amule gotten better, it was faily unusable last time i tried it
[11:04] <dsas> dooglus: does nicotine take notice of the soulseek privileges?
[11:04] <jdermer> can firefox be removed from ubuntu ?
[11:04] <apokryphos> !start a wm war
[11:04] <ubotu> apokryphos: I haven't a clue
[11:04] <Seveas> jdermer, sure it can
[11:04] <apokryphos> heh
[11:04] <Seveas> !start a desktop war
[11:04] <ubotu> twm is much better than gnome!
[11:04] <apokryphos> jdermer: make sure you re-install ubuntu-desktop if you try getting to breezy though
[11:04] <dooglus> dsas: the soulseek server takes notice of them, doesn't it?  (translation: I don't know!)
[11:04] <Kyral> heheheh
[11:04] <dalamar> ive got two bucks on gnome
[11:04] <alec_> dooglus: no i meant liek
[11:05] <alec_> dooglus: adobe photoshop
[11:05] <dsas> dooglus: I'm pretty much clueless tbh
[11:05] <pussfeller> if you want music collections, emule is the way to go
[11:05] <alec_> emule
[11:05] <Seveas> jdermer, using equivs to install a fake firefox helps,.. you can then keep ubuntu-desktop installed :)
[11:05] <alec_> what about nicotine
[11:05] <jdermer> apokryphos, i dont understand
[11:05] <lsuactiafner> jdermer : yes, but why would you?
[11:05] <pussfeller> nicotine is all individual files afaik
[11:06] <alec_> pussfeller: i heard amule is slow
[11:06] <apokryphos> jdermer: ubuntu-desktop is a metapackage (/msg ubotu metapackage), and a dist-upgrade specifically uses it. So, when you plan on upgrading to breezy, just make sure you have it.
[11:06] <lsuactiafner> its a mule..
[11:06] <jdermer> Seveas, wut equivs
[11:06] <dooglus> alec_: I don't think abobe photoshop works very well in ubuntu
[11:06] <pussfeller> you have to pay soulseek to get real access
[11:06] <jdermer> well removing firefox will remove ubuntu-desktop
[11:06] <jdermer> so how can i reinstall it
[11:06] <lsuactiafner> where do i put hoary-extras for captive?
[11:06] <pussfeller> any p2p netowrk is slow, depending on seeders and bandwidth
[11:06] <alec_> dooglus, why?
[11:06] <Seveas> jdermer, use equivs to install a dummy firefox package
[11:06] <apokryphos> jdermer: when you want to upgrade to breezy temporarily reinstall it; or, try Seveas' method if it works.
[11:06] <pussfeller> but emule has hard to find stuff
[11:07] <alec_> dooglus: you mean not at all
[11:07] <Jwir3> hey everyone.  I am using kubuntu, and I just did an apt-get upgrade to update pkgs.  Unfortunately, I can no longer login to Xwindows with a normal user.  Root can login fine if I login via vterminal and then do a startx, but any other user just crashes back to the login screen
[11:07] <jdermer> Seveas, such as...
[11:07] <QMario> Ompaul, do you program in Java?
[11:07] <QMario> Does anyone here use Netbeans for Java programming?
[11:07] <pussfeller> photoshop works fine with wine
[11:07] <alec_> pussfeller, so which one do you recomend
[11:07] <Jwir3> QMario: I do sometimes
[11:07] <dooglus> alec_: you might be able to run it under 'wine' or some other windows work-alike.  but I've not tried.
[11:07] <Seveas> jdermer, equivs-control firefox-dummy
[11:07] <Seveas> edit firefox-dummy
[11:08] <alec_> dooglus, ok thanks
[11:08] <Seveas> equivs-build firefox-dummy
[11:08] <pussfeller> alec_: get mldonkey and just bite the bullet and figure out how to configure it
[11:08] <Seveas> and install the .deb
[11:08] <martii> pussfeller: did you try to play with lest say 200mb file in photoshop under wine?
[11:08] <QMario> Jwir3, how did you add .jar files in netbeans?
[11:08] <omnibong> greetings
[11:08] <QMario> Hello omnibong!!! :)
[11:08] <alec_> pussfeller: do you have that
[11:08] <QMario> Or classpaths, Jwir3?
[11:08] <dooglus> I've recently installed the firefox 1.5 beta in my home directory.  Some apps still insist on running the old 1.0.6 version.  can I stop them, tell them where the new version is?
[11:08] <Jwir3> Qmario: ah, yeah, I didn't really get into that level of things.  I do most of my programming in C/C++.  I've never really worked with self-executing files
[11:08] <Jwir3> QMario: Sorry :(
[11:08] <pussfeller> alec_: no, i dont use p2p, I rip cds from the library
[11:09] <Jwir3> Qmario: I know how to do classpaths
[11:09] <alec_> pussfeller: haha nice
[11:09] <QMario> Jwir3, it's okay.
[11:09] <omnibong> I'm looking for some assistance getting ubuntu livecd to work on my system
[11:09] <QMario> Jwir3, how?
[11:09] <alec_> pussfeller: so mldonkey is hard
[11:09] <QMario> !Java
[11:09] <ubotu> it has been said that java is to install Java please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java
[11:09] <QMario> !Botsnack
[11:09] <ubotu> :)
[11:09] <alec_> pussfeller: or worth it
[11:09] <QMario> Hello jessid!!! :)
[11:09] <lsuactiafner> dooglus : nice -n -10 updatedb ; locate firefox | grep bin
[11:09] <Jwir3> QMario: Gimme a sec to open my NetBeans so I can remember
[11:09] <Seveas> QMario, java -cp /path/to/jar:$CLASSPATH
[11:09] <ompaul> QMario, no, it is my opinion that java is not a good thing(TM)
[11:09] <pussfeller> alec_: it can be a pain, but theres just more stuff, alot of asian stuff, anime, manga, etc
[11:09] <dooglus> lsuactiafner: I don't think that would do it!
[11:09] <lsuactiafner> dooglus : then rm old firefox binary and ln -s new_location old_location
[11:09] <pussfeller> it just takes awhile
[11:09] <lsuactiafner> dooglus : but thats just an ugly hack
[11:10] <Seveas> or export CLASSPATH=/path/to/jar/:$CLASSPATH
[11:10] <alec_> pussfeller: i dont like cartoons :)
[11:10] <pussfeller> if you want fast, get a usenet account somewhere
[11:10] <pussfeller> or allofmp3.com :)
[11:10] <alec_> pussfeller: what's usenet
[11:10] <pussfeller> newsgroups
[11:10] <dooglus> lsuactiafner: isn't there a clean way?  I wouldn't mind keeping 1.0.6 for comparison purposes.  but I want to make the 1.5 the default.
[11:10] <pussfeller> you have to pay to get decent access tho
[11:10] <Seveas> can we stop the illegal file sharing talk please?
[11:10] <pussfeller> the isp accounts suck
[11:10] <alec_> o
[11:10] <alec_> so allofmp3.com
[11:10] <omnibong> when I use the live cd on my amd64 machine it doesn't completely load.  The only thing I get is a pointer on the desktop with no panel, etc.
[11:11] <pussfeller> illegal? what have we mentioned thats illegal
[11:11] <dooglus> lsuactiafner: what I did was renamed /usr/bin/firefox to /usr/bin/firefox.dis - but now some apps can't run firefox at all.
[11:11] <alec_> it's not illegal
[11:11] <mrdeath> anyone use framebuffer enabled with running xorg?
[11:11] <alec_> i share files with my friends
[11:11] <Jwir3> http://faculty.ed.umuc.edu/~arnoldyl/NetBeansTutorials/Predefined-Classes.html
[11:11] <mkyb14> can anyone tell me how to keep ubuntu from trying to install things from the cd rom and change it to the http only.
[11:11] <Jwir3> Qmario: I think this will help you
[11:11] <alec_> pussfeller do you have AIM
[11:11] <pussfeller> no
[11:11] <Seveas> alec_, even if it's not illegal, it's way off-topic in here
[11:11] <omnibong> is there some sort of incompatible hardware that will not work witn ubuntu?
[11:11] <Jwir3> QMario: Er, that website should help you out
[11:11] <Seveas> uese #ubuntu-offtopic or a private chat
[11:11] <alec_> sorry but it was regarding wine
[11:12] <alec_> how do we private chat
[11:12] <QMario> Okay. Thank you Seveas, ompaul, and Jwir3. :)
[11:12] <apokryphos> alec_: /query <username>
[11:12] <alec_> pussfeller private chat?
[11:12] <alec_> thank you
[11:12] <test34> I have a web page (on a CD) that says you have to rollback to netscape 4.0 (you have netscape 6..) is it possible to emulate it ?
[11:12] <Jwir3> Anyone know how to fix the X-Windows problem I was having where users other than root can't login?
[11:12] <apokryphos> alec_: though you can just use #ubuntu-offtopic as suggested
[11:12] <Seveas> test34, :|
[11:12] <alec_> i want to talk to this helpful guy though
[11:13] <omnibong> anybody having a problem using the livecd?
[11:13] <alec_> pussfeller, private chat?
[11:13] <ColonelKernel> lovely no tmpfs option in 2.6.14
[11:13] <jessid> hello! i want to ask something: how can I do to see other partitions in "places->partitionOne...."
[11:13] <test34> Seveas, aint this stupid hehe
[11:13] <omnibong> I'm having some problems using the live cd
[11:13] <mkyb14> can anyone tell me how to keep ubuntu from trying to install things from the cd rom and change it to the http only.
[11:13] <apokryphos> mkyb14: edit /etc/apt/sources.list
[11:13] <mkyb14> thankyou
[11:14] <apokryphos> mkyb14: remove the CDROM source by commenting it out. Put a # at the first of the line
[11:14] <Jowi> mkyb14: just put a # infront of the CD source.
[11:14] <mkyb14> i know, just didn't know what file it was again
[11:14] <test34> mkyb14,  or remove the cdrom repository from synaptic
[11:14] <Hoxzer> is there any way to search files from the directory and then easily open them?
[11:14] <Hoxzer> :E
[11:15] <gasp> hrm.....where di  all the admin tools go?
[11:15] <Hoxzer> its really hard to find a song from the directory that has like 50 files of same type
[11:15] <omnibong> can anybody help me with a livecd problem?
[11:15] <rulebraker> i have a sound blaster 16 isa sound card and have to configure it every time i boot via alsaconf does anyone know why this is?
[11:15] <test34> Hoxzer, Places - Search for files
[11:15] <apokryphos> Hoxzer: I always use a combination of find/grep/ls for things like that. Quite quick if you know how.
[11:16] <Seveas> rulebraker, try: alsactl store
[11:16] <ompaul> Hoxzer, so if you are sitting in that directory on the command line you can >>ls | grep [keywordFromTitle] <<
[11:16] <Seveas> that will store your settings :)
[11:16] <rulebraker> k i will thanks
[11:16] <jessid> hello. My question is this: have you seen that when you plug a flash usb memory I can access it with "places->memory"....where is the file to do that with other partitions????
[11:16] <robotgeek> jessid: /etc/fstab
[11:16] <rulebraker> ok im gonna reboot see if it worked
[11:17] <ompaul> din had a look at that, will explore with a fresh head on me tomorrow, lots of documentation for vlc
[11:17] <lsuactiafner> i think he wants an icon for the 'other partitions'
[11:17] <Seveas> jessid, it's not a file
[11:17] <Seveas> pluggable devices are simply handled this way by hotplug/hal/pmount
[11:17] <alec_> pussfeller: talk in the private chat
[11:17] <spazz> how do i install the .run file for my ATI drivers?
[11:18] <pussfeller> alec_: i did
[11:18] <apokryphos> spazz: what's wrong with Ubuntu's drivers?
[11:18] <Seveas> spazz, you throw out the thing and use ubuntu-provided drivers
[11:18] <robotgeek> jessid: generally, if you plug in something, it should mount automagically to /media/<label>
[11:18] <gasp> Seveas:: where did the admin tools go in breezy?
[11:18] <jessid> Seveas, so what is it?
[11:18] <spazz> k
[11:18] <Seveas> gasp, system -> administration
[11:18] <spazz> now how do i set up dual monitors
[11:18] <apokryphos> ubotu: tell spazz about ati
[11:18] <herzi> which part of the ubuntu installation does create /etc/iftab ?
[11:18] <Seveas> jessid, you can't put other partitions in the places menu
[11:18] <gasp> Seveas:: yeah, i found them, but they don't start up
[11:18] <alec_> pussfeller: i need to say something
[11:18] <Dreamer3> ok
[11:18] <Seveas> gasp, then edit xorg.conf
[11:18] <Dreamer3> does ubuntu hoary's gaim work with google talk?
[11:19] <pussfeller> alec_: click on the tab that says, pussfeller :)
[11:19] <Seveas> you would have to do that with the .run file drivers too...
[11:19] <Dreamer3> ie, is it broken or am i just doing it wrong?
[11:19] <apokryphos> Dreamer3: yes!
[11:19] <robotgeek> Dreamer3: yes, but minus the sound
[11:19] <Seveas> Dreamer3, yes
[11:19] <Dreamer3> apokryphos: i keed getting a stream error
[11:19] <apokryphos> Dreamer3: instructions on their site, no?
[11:19] <alec_> pussfeller: you don't answer
[11:19] <jessid> Seveas, so what happens when I plug in an usb memory?
[11:19] <Seveas> Dreamer3, yes <-- yes meaning it works
[11:19] <Dreamer3> yes, i found the instructions, just doesn't seem to work
[11:19] <gasp> Seveas:: for?
[11:19] <Seveas> jessid, hotplug/hal notice it and launch pmount to mount it
[11:20] <QMario> Grrr.... I am starting to dislike Java.
[11:20] <Seveas> gasp, maybe this helps
[11:20] <Seveas> !ati
[11:20] <ubotu> ati is probably https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI, or http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=24557&page=1&pp=10&highlight=fglrx
[11:20] <jessid> seveas gracias
[11:20] <jessid> thanks
[11:20] <Dreamer3> ok
[11:20] <Dreamer3> i'm on google talk with no one to talk to
[11:20] <Dreamer3> how sad is that
[11:20] <QMario> It can't even import any of my predefined classes. :'(
[11:20] <pussfeller> and see my wondrous remarks
[11:20] <pussfeller> whats the name of the ubuntu network setter upper
[11:20] <spazz> thanks
[11:20] <apokryphos> Dreamer3: very very very sad
[11:20] <Seveas> Dreamer3, lol :)
[11:20] <Dreamer3> apokryphos: and with gaim not like a new IM service is even a big deal
[11:20] <ompaul> Dreamer3, your on irc with loads to talk to how sad is that ?
[11:21] <gasp> Seveas:: no ati here
[11:21] <QMario> Seveas, I did what you said and it still can't find my Java archives.
[11:21] <apokryphos> Dreamer3: just think of everyone in here as a personal great friend 8). 438 members surely compensates.
[11:21] <tristanmike> i'm on google talk too, with no one to chat to
[11:21] <opteek> can someone tell me how to aptget cdrdao in hoary? seems theres a dependency bug with k3d
[11:21] <anderson> @
[11:21] <anderson> @find engenheiros
[11:22] <tristanmike> but does it bother me?.....yes, I'm so lonley
[11:22] <Seveas> jabber has been around for a long time already :)
[11:22] <mkyb14> ok if i can't create a file in a folder how do i give my self permissions to create a file in my /var/www folder
[11:22] <Dreamer3> Seveas: yeah, i know :)
[11:22] <opteek> anyone know?
[11:22] <Dreamer3> Seveas: and i figured google woudl use something open :)
[11:22] <ompaul> right so night ya all
[11:22] <test34> mkyb14, use sudo
[11:22] <Seveas> mkyb14, sudo chown -R $user:$user /var/www
[11:22] <mkyb14> what's chown vs chmod?
[11:22] <Seveas> chown = change owner
[11:22] <Seveas> chmod = change permisions
[11:22] <opteek> chgrp
[11:23] <apokryphos> mkyb14: man pages are always good
[11:23] <rulebraker> i have tried "alsactl store" and no change i still have to configure my sb16 via alsaconf at every boot i also have to run "modprobe snd-sb16" any ideas?
[11:23] <opteek> sunova
[11:23] <QMario> Seveas, what should I do?
[11:23] <mkyb14> chown: `:': cannot omit both user and group
[11:23] <opteek> anyone have k3b working in hoary??
[11:23] <daaku> rulebraker: did you try adding the module to /etc/modules?
[11:23] <jessid> chao a todos!
[11:23] <apokryphos> opteek: hundreds here, yes.
[11:23] <butcherbird> apt-get install cdrdao?
[11:24] <jessid> y gracias!
[11:24] <kemik> !tell kemik about ntfs
[11:24] <rulebraker> no how do i do that?
[11:24] <opteek> that obviously doesnt work butcher
[11:24] <opteek> !
[11:24] <ubotu> opteek: Did you get hit by a windmill?
[11:24] <Madpilot> opteek: sure - just install in via Synaptic, and you'll need to install a bunch of KDE libraries...
[11:24] <apokryphos> opteek: sure does; what's the problem?
[11:24] <daaku> rulebraker: just add a line with the name of the module you would use with modprobe
[11:24] <rulebraker> ok thanks i will try
[11:24] <opteek> apokryphos, cdrdao doesnt have an installation candidate in hoary, but k3b doesnt install it as a depend
[11:25] <butcherbird> opteek, i just apt got it
[11:25] <opteek> in hoary?
[11:25] <butcherbird> yes
[11:25] <apokryphos> opteek: that's an issue, yes, but if you install it from Universe it'll work
[11:25] <opteek> well, my sources must be gay then
[11:25] <mkyb14> chown: `:': cannot omit both user and group .... why does it say that
[11:25] <apokryphos> opteek: no, you're just lacking the Universe repository :)
[11:25] <apokryphos> ubotu: tell opteek about repos
[11:26] <gasp> Seveas:: other than help, i don't even get any output from apt-get....
[11:26] <lsuactiafner> heh umm still wondering where do i put hoary-extras to get captive package?
[11:26] <alec_> what's the off topic channel called
[11:26] <lsuactiafner> in sources..
[11:26] <Seveas> mkyb14, replace $USER with your username
[11:26] <mkyb14> which one there's two
[11:26] <mkyb14> chown: `:': cannot omit both user and group
[11:26] <tristanmike> alec_, #ubuntu-offtopic
[11:26] <Seveas> mkyb14, both :)
[11:26] <jdermer> sometimes synaptic asks me for my ubuntu cd
[11:26] <jdermer> is it possible to download the iso and like mount it so it wont bug me heh
[11:27] <alec_> Seveas: what's the off topic channel called?
[11:27] <mkyb14> kyb14@ubuntu:/var$ sudo chown -R $mkyb14:$mkyb14 /var/www
[11:27] <tristanmike> alec_, #ubuntu-offtopic
[11:27] <alec_> thanks
[11:27] <mkyb14> chown: `:': cannot omit both user and group
[11:27] <Seveas> mkyb14, drop the two $ characters
[11:27] <daaku> mkyb14: what exactly are you typing?
[11:27] <Madpilot> mkyb14: leave the $ off
[11:27] <Seveas> hmm, google talk won't let me login
[11:28] <Seveas> bother, said poo :)
[11:28] <opteek> anyone gotten google earth to run under nix?
[11:28] <Seveas> opteek, wine/cedega/crossover can't run it
[11:29] <michi> re
[11:29] <michi> damn
[11:29] <michi> i should not have closed the lid
[11:29] <daaku> jdermer: if you use the live repositories and have a broadband connection, you can remove the cd as a source
[11:30] <magne_> hi
[11:30] <michi> after doing so i got asked for some pass i dont know
[11:30] <LittleDan> how can I get gcc >=3.4 without using debian repositories?
[11:30] <michi> looked like some screen saver with pw protection
[11:30] <michi> but my password from /etc/shadow did not seem to work for that
[11:30] <michi> i had to power off my laptop
[11:30] <michi> very strange
[11:31] <michi> LittleDan,  compile gcc by hand maybe?
[11:31] <QMario> Why is NetBeans so ridiculous?
[11:31] <Seveas> LittleDan, breezy has gcc 3.5 / 4.0 and i though hoary had them too
[11:31] <Seveas> !info gcc-4.0
[11:31] <ubotu> gcc-4.0: (The GNU C compiler), section universe/devel, is optional. Version: 4.0-0pre6ubuntu7 (hoary), Packaged size: 458 kB, Installed size: 3116 kB
[11:31] <QMario> You can't even create a new .java file, but it "forces" you to create a new project. >:o
[11:31] <rulebraker> ok back this time to say thanks sound is working perfectly now cheers
[11:32] <Seveas> yep, in universe :)
[11:32] <daaku> QMario: didnt they phase that out for sun one or something?
[11:32] <QMario> What is sun one?
[11:32] <michi> QMario,  iam using oracle`s jdev i like it more than eclipse or netbeans
[11:32] <LittleDan> Seveas: why doesn't that install when I apt-get install gcc?
[11:32] <daaku> QMario: i may be wrong, but i though thats the new netbeans
[11:33] <QMario> Michi, is it free?
[11:33] <daaku> michi: is it free?
[11:33] <Seveas> because gcc is a dummy package depending on the recommended version of gcc
[11:33] <LittleDan> oh
[11:33] <QMario> Daaku, it is the new Netbeans?
[11:33] <michi> qmanman,  yes u only need to register at oracle
[11:33] <QMario> Daaku, heh.
[11:33] <LittleDan> and if I apt-get install gcc-4.0, it'll delete 3.3?
[11:33] <QMario> Jynx. ;)
[11:33] <michi> QMario,  sorry
[11:33] <Seveas> LittleDan, no
[11:33] <Seveas> multiple versions of gcc can happily coexist
[11:33] <QMario> Michi, it isn't?
[11:34] <LittleDan> so then how do I set it as the default C compiler?
[11:34] <michi> QMario,  it is free
[11:34] <ColonelKernel> well, at least breezy has a new kernel source out
[11:34] <daaku> QMario: double jynx :p
[11:34] <daaku> LittleDan: update-alternatives i think
[11:34] <michi> QMario,  just register ,download,unpack,and start it
[11:34] <QMario> Daaku,  Heh !!!
[11:34] <QMario> Michi, thank you! :)
[11:34] <Seveas> yep, with update-alternatives
[11:35] <michi> what is this thing that is started if i close the lid on my laptop?
[11:35] <Seveas> michi, probably the screensaver
[11:35] <michi> i got asked for a pass but my login password was not acceptet
[11:35] <Seveas> hmm
[11:35] <apokryphos> If anyone can, please test one of the java/w32 torrents on http://www.giannaros.org/tor/bt/
[11:35] <Seveas> that's odd
[11:36] <wixtech> #quit
[11:36] <michi> hm
[11:36] <xami> hello all
[11:36] <LittleDan> it couldn't find gcc-4.0, even after a fresh update
[11:36] <michi> on vt1 something like starting laptop_mode was displayed
[11:37] <Seveas> LittleDan, did you enable universe?
[11:37] <daaku> QMario: looks like netbeans is not sunone, my bad
[11:37] <LittleDan> no, I didn't know I had to do that
[11:37] <xami> I am sorry but I am having soft modem issues please help?
[11:37] <QMario> Seveas, what did you do to that person?
[11:37] <Seveas> LittleDan, well you have :)
[11:37] <Seveas> QMario, which person?
[11:37] <jrattner1> How come I dont here sounds from gaim when I have XMMS open (all in KDE)?
[11:37] <robotgeek> hmm..nobody seems to be grabbing the url for testing the torrent's. Seveas ?
[11:37] <Seveas> robotgeek, I tested them
[11:38] <QMario> Seveas, "mode (+b *!*@*ae ) by Seveas" ?
[11:38] <Madpilot> apokryphos: the w32 torrent seems to work fine
[11:38] <Seveas> (briefly)
[11:38] <Seveas> QMario, spambot ban
[11:38] <robotgeek> thanks Seveas, Madpilot
[11:38] <QMario> Oh, who was the Spambot?
[11:38] <apokryphos> Madpilot: excellent, thank you
[11:38] <daaku> jrattner1: what output plugin are you using with xmms?
[11:38] <QMario> !spam
[11:38] <ubotu> from memory, spam is Freenode is being affected by spammers at present. To overcome it please type '/mode *your nickname* +CE' and hit enter
[11:38] <Seveas> !forget spam
[11:38] <ubotu> i forgot spam, Seveas
[11:38] <jrattner1> daaku, OSS, and ARTS in Gaim
[11:38] <mkyb14> anyone know what root-tail does??
[11:38] <Seveas> outdated crud :)
[11:39] <QMario> Hee.
[11:39] <QMario> !Botsnack.
[11:39] <ubotu> :)
[11:39] <bdda> i need help with ubuntu
[11:39] <daaku> jrattner1: iirc there's a arts plugin for xmms, try switching to that
[11:39] <jrattner1> daaku, and you think that will resolve the problem?
[11:40] <daaku> jrattner1: should. i dont think oss can do multiple sources for sound
[11:40] <jrattner1> daaku, I only have OSS, eSound and ALSA under Output plugin in XMMS
[11:40] <lordgoth> lol
[11:40] <opteek> can anyone comment on the advantages of blackdown vs sun java
[11:40] <daaku> jrattner1: apt-cache search xmms arts
[11:40] <Seveas> opteek, blackdown seems o be free
[11:41] <Seveas> breezy includes blackdown java now
[11:41] <LasseL> opteek, sun 1.5 is faster and newer, blackdown is Free
[11:41] <opteek> thankyou
[11:41] <apokryphos> There's a hoary java deb repository now, if anyone needs it
[11:41] <apokryphos> (sun java, that is)
[11:41] <opteek> were at
[11:42] <Seveas> ubuntu.nooms.de
[11:42] <Seveas> (afaik)
[11:42] <Seveas> or maybe that was warty...
[11:42] <alec_> how do i run bittorrent??
[11:42] <Seveas> hmm, nooms stopped serving java too :)
[11:43] <opteek> seems so
[11:43] <apokryphos> opteek: deb http://ubuntu.tower-net.de/ubuntu/ hoary java
[11:43] <amadeus> hi, i just installed breezy, but my xserver won't run, the log said something about fonts so i modified the /etc/X11/xorg.font and set /usr/share/X11 as a FontPath, but it didn't work, someone can help me?
[11:43] <mkyb14> anyone know what root-tail does??
[11:43] <jrattner1> When is breezy to be officially released?
[11:43] <Seveas> mkyb14, read the manpage...
[11:43] <Madpilot> jrattner1: Oct 13
[11:43] <dsas> jrattner: 13th of Oct iirc
[11:43] <daaku> alec_: azureus.sourceforge.net/faq.php
[11:43] <jrattner1> Madpilot, sick thanx
[11:43] <mkyb14> there's no manual entry for it
[11:44] <alec_> daaku: is that GNOME Bittorrent?
[11:44] <trilliji> Can anyone tell me where the environment variables for a user come from in Breezy
[11:44] <daaku> alec_: it java/swt bittorrent
[11:44] <Seveas> mkyb14, then the package description...
[11:44] <Seveas> trilliji, from all over the place...
[11:44] <alec_> daaku: i don't know what that means
[11:44] <amadeus> no idea?
[11:44] <alec_> daaku: i'm new at linux
[11:45] <LittleDan> trilliji, do you have a specific issue?
[11:45] <amadeus> by the way, the dist-upgrade semmed to go pretty wrong
[11:45] <trilliji> Seveas: I expected that they came from /etc/profile but I've found that that is not the case
[11:45] <mkyb14> i'm lost ... i tried apt-cache root-tail
[11:45] <jrattner1> I cant wait for KDE bluetooth
[11:45] <Seveas> trilliji, only for root :)
[11:45] <trilliji> LittleDan: Yes, the path is wrong
[11:45] <Seveas> the others use /etc/bash.bash_profile
[11:46] <Seveas> or per-user settings in ~/.bash_profile and ~/.bashrc
[11:46] <opteek> apokryphos, thanks
[11:46] <daaku> alec_: it runs on java. its in the repositories, so apt-get install azureus should install it
[11:46] <LittleDan> but not all environment variables are defined there, it's just that you can define them there
[11:46] <CookedGryphon> i'm still having trouble with updates not downloading
[11:46] <alec_> ok
[11:47] <alec_> daaku: couldn't find package
[11:47] <CookedGryphon> can someone help me, it might be somethignm to do with them working first attempt, but then when i try and download them a second time, after attemptikng once, they don't download, come up with a bad header line or something
[11:47] <trilliji> Ok, so what I am looking for is a place to update the path and environment variables for all users. If a user modifies it then that is their problem, but I want to det it up by default
[11:47] <ugo> hey guys...
[11:47] <Seveas> trilliji, /etc/bash.bash_profile it is
[11:48] <Seveas> (provided all users use bash)
[11:48] <ugo> in code land...whats the typical preferred integer values to represend true and false in c
[11:48] <trilliji> Seveas: Yes they do
[11:48] <trilliji> Thanks a bunch
[11:48] <ugo> is it like 0 true -1 false
[11:48] <ugo> ?
[11:48] <daaku> alec_: probably in universe
[11:48] <jalvarezrom> hello all
[11:48] <ugo> or 0 false -1 true
[11:48] <Seveas> ugo, the latter
[11:48] <alec_> daaku: it syas could not find
[11:48] <Seveas> but in shell scripts it's the other way around :)
[11:48] <ugo> danke!!!
[11:49] <daaku> alec_: have you enabled universe?
[11:49] <LittleDan> so what's the command I do with update-alternatives?
[11:49] <XIII> hi
[11:49] <alec_> yes
[11:49] <XIII> how can i remove kubuntu desktop?
[11:49] <jalvarezrom> anyone know the repositorie for "java-package"?
[11:49] <Seveas> XIII sudo aptitude purge kubuntu-desktop
[11:49] <Seveas> jalvarezrom, multiverse
[11:49] <Madpilot> !tell jalvarezrom about java
[11:50] <mkyb14> AHAH I LOVE the Remote desktop.  so niceeeee
[11:50] <trilliji> Seveas: I'm assuming that if I copy /etc/profile to /etc/bash.bash_profile that should do the trick
[11:50] <ugo> nother question....how do i set my login shell to always be bash
[11:51] <daaku> alec_: do you have java installed? you can always download it from their website
[11:51] <ugo> if its the case i dont have permission  to /etc
[11:51] <Seveas> trilliji, they differ quite a bit by default...
[11:51] <alec_> daaku: i dont know
[11:51] <alec_> daaku: how do i check
[11:51] <Seveas> ugo, by default on ubuntu systms your shell is bash
[11:51] <Xenguy> Need a little help - is there a 'dpkg-reconfigure' command I can run to set up networking on a
[11:52] <LittleDan> How do I use update-alternatives to set my default gcc version to 4.0?
[11:52] <daaku> alec_: see if running 'java' gives you anything
[11:52] <Xenguy> ... DHCP like network?
[11:52] <alec_> ok
[11:52] <Seveas> Xenguy, just edit /etc/network/interfaces
[11:52] <alec_> daaku: wait where do i run it
[11:52] <Seveas> LittleDan, sudo update-alternatives --config gcc
[11:52] <Gobbla> umm I got some shit I don't want on startup because i tried "hibernate the computer" how do I get rid of this?
[11:52] <tristanmike> alec_, in the terminal
[11:52] <Xenguy> Seveas: OK, will do - there was no /etc/resolv.conf either, but I manually added that just now
[11:53] <ugo> Seveas: i know...im talking about another system not Ubuntu
[11:53] <Seveas> ugo, then ask for support somewhere else ;)
[11:53] <alec_> daaku: what do i type
[11:53] <alec_> daaku: run java
[11:53] <Seveas> (btw: yhe chsh command will help)
[11:53] <alec_> daaku: or just java
[11:53] <tristanmike> alec_, no, just "java"
[11:53] <daaku> alec_: just java
[11:53] <Seveas> (btw: the chsh command will help)
[11:53] <ugo> Seveas: not nice!
[11:53] <XIII> Seveas it didn't work
[11:53] <CookedGryphon> Sorted my package problem! thanks to nobody!! it seems that some of the downloads can't be resumed and cause the download to fail!
[11:53] <twoSharp> a bit off-topic, but how would it be to use linux on a dual-cpu opteron server, and by use I mean use as an desktop PC..? I have an exam tomorrow and I would really appreciate any help :)
[11:54] <alec_> command not found
[11:54] <Seveas> XIII, how informative... :)
[11:54] <alec_> daaku: commnad not found
[11:54] <CookedGryphon> so i jsut deleted the partial files out of the apt-cache
[11:54] <CookedGryphon> and it works
[11:54] <XIII> i want to remove that kubuntu
[11:54] <Seveas> CookedGryphon, hint: apt-get clean
[11:54] <Seveas> :)
[11:54] <XIII> i'm on Gnome now
[11:54] <ugo> Seveas: long day  Seveas....getting cranky?
[11:54] <Seveas> ugo, ?
[11:54] <CookedGryphon> Seveas, y did no1 tell me that b4
[11:55] <Seveas> (btw: the chsh command will help) <-- ugo, maybe you missed this
[11:55] <darknature> ok this is weird I am the only user of this computer yet its saying I am not the root user....
[11:55] <XIII> Seveas  i want to remove that kubuntu
[11:55] <Seveas> CookedGryphon, must have missed your problem
[11:55] <alec_> tristanmike: so it doesnt show anything
[11:55] <CookedGryphon> neway i ahven't deleted all the packages, jsut the partial ones
[11:55] <darknature> how do i obtain being the root user
[11:55] <CookedGryphon> nope, u spoke to me about it
[11:55] <Seveas> XIII aptitude pure kubuntu-desktop didn't work?
[11:55] <Seveas> if not: what was the error?
[11:55] <freebase`> how do i run chkdsk?
[11:55] <CookedGryphon> and said check my sources.list for errors
[11:55] <tristanmike> alec_, so you don't have it installed....you've changed your sources.list, it take it?
[11:55] <alec_> tristanmike: no
[11:56] <LasseL> argh! is there a way I can force nautilus to always start as nautilus --browser?
[11:56] <XIII>  This aptitude does not have Super Cow Powers.
[11:56] <XIII> that's what i got Seveas
[11:56] <darknature> ok this is weird I am the only user of this computer yet its saying I am not the root user....
[11:56] <alec_> tristanmike: i'm new at ubuntu
[11:56] <Seveas> XIII, that's not an error, paste the complete output on the pastebin
[11:56] <CookedGryphon> LasseL, yeah i ahve it set to that, go to the preferences and tick browser mode
[11:56] <alec_> tristanmike: can you show me how to put Java on my computer
[11:56] <XIII> Seveas give me it
[11:57] <opteek> darknature, ubuntu disables root by default
[11:57] <opteek> darknature, use sudo or renable root
[11:57] <Madpilot> darknature: you aren't root, that's why
[11:57] <Chastaghir> hi @ll, at last boot ubuntu discovers errors on root file system and wants me to check this manually with fsck. I did this with knoppix and now the file system seems to be correct. But now the xserver starts no more automatically
[11:57] <Logtime> hi
[11:57] <Madpilot> !tell darknature about root
[11:57] <XIII> darknature system -->>>> adminstration---->>>>users and groups then search for the root and change the password by editing its properiteies
[11:58] <LasseL> CookedGryphon, I must be blind? Can you point me closer to the exact option?
[11:58] <michi> i need to get newer mono packages? what do i have to add to my sources.list?
[11:58] <Logtime> what is the last version of wine for ubuntu?
[11:58] <Logtime> 19/04?
[11:58] <darknature> thats all i have to do?
[11:58] <Chastaghir> I must type startx and the xserver starts up without any problems
[11:58] <XIII> Seveas give me the pastebin
[11:58] <darknature> ok thanks
[11:58] <CookedGryphon> LasseL, course, gimmie a moment...
[11:58] <XIII> yeah
[11:58] <dooglus> Logtime: the last version hasn't been released yet - they've still not given up.
[11:58] <alec_> tristanmike: mike talk to me
[11:58] <opteek> Chastaghir, yo uneed to change your runmode
[11:58] <LasseL> CookedGryphon, got it
[11:58] <Seveas> XIII, look at the /topic :)
[11:58] <Chastaghir> ehmm, runmode?
[11:59] <LasseL> ColonelKernel, "Always open i browser windows"
[11:59] <dooglus> Chastaghir: runlevel
[11:59] <daaku> Chastaghir: you were using gdm before?
[11:59] <mcphail> Hmm. Rather a lot of security upgrades today. Downloading v_e_r_y__s_l_o_w_l_y_._._.
[11:59] <CookedGryphon> LasseL, edit > preferences, behaviour tab, always open in browser window tick box
[11:59] <Chastaghir> yes
[11:59] <CookedGryphon> ah ok
[11:59] <tristanmike> alec_, check you bar at the bottom, I pm'd you
[11:59] <Logtime> dooglus,  in this moment what is it?
[11:59] <LasseL> ColonelKernel, thanks
[11:59] <dooglus> Logtime: 23:59:28 here
[11:59] <ColonelKernel> crack rocks?
[11:59] <JosephB> hey, how do i get backports back after installing breezy?
[11:59] <alec_> tristanmike: I had already answered.
[12:00] <mkyb14> is there a php-mysql package? i'm getting a can't connect ot database check php config
[12:00] <e1vis> how difficult is it to dual boot ubuntoo??????