[12:16] JaneW, 14967 is SOLVED !!! [12:24] don't worry, I'll find you a new one ;) [12:24] there are enough, but thanks [12:24] :) [12:25] inkscape rocks, by the way [12:25] :) [12:25] since i'm the screensaver maintainer and our dear sabdfl decided he wants gnome-screensaver instead of xscreensaver i have to manage that too... [12:25] and screensaver stuff is most time consuming :/ === macgyver2 [n=eric@unaffiliated/macgyver2] has joined #edubuntu === Burgundavia [n=corey@S0106000000cc07fc.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #edubuntu === mpt [n=mpt@201-1-132-73.dsl.telesp.net.br] has joined #edubuntu === doko_ [n=doko@dsl-084-059-067-020.arcor-ip.net] has joined #edubuntu === ogra [n=ogra@p5089FBFA.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #edubuntu === Bicchi [n=albert@adsl-065-006-167-199.sip.mia.bellsouth.net] has joined #edubuntu === Bicchi [n=albert@adsl-065-006-167-199.sip.mia.bellsouth.net] has left #edubuntu ["Leaving] === pitux [i=pitux@164-208-246-201.adsl.terra.cl] has joined #edubuntu === jinty [n=jinty@205.134.224.215] has joined #edubuntu === Burgundavia [n=corey@S0106000000cc07fc.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #edubuntu [03:31] brb === cyphase [n=cyphase@adsl-68-125-49-186.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net] has joined #edubuntu === Kingbahamut [n=bahamut@c-24-98-229-28.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #edubuntu === jinty [n=jinty@205.134.224.215] has left #edubuntu ["Leaving"] === KingBahamut [n=bahamut@c-24-98-229-28.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #edubuntu === yvesC [n=yves@81.56.207.189] has joined #edubuntu === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #edubuntu [06:58] JaneW: ping === jsgotangco [n=jsg@202.57.71.235] has joined #edubuntu === BeerDump [n=jsg@202.57.71.235] has joined #edubuntu === BeerDump [n=jsg@202.57.71.235] has joined #edubuntu === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #edubuntu [08:25] hello highvoltage === JaneW takes mute off.... [08:31] hi JaneW [08:31] good morning both [08:31] morning shaga [08:31] it's morning for me at least :p [08:31] and already time for a cig/coffee-break [08:31] shaga: morning for us too (+2GMT) [08:31] same timezone as for me [08:32] where in the world are you? [08:32] in finland ;) [08:38] highvoltage: pong [08:39] highvoltage: I am confussed by your license question... === P3L|C4N0 [n=gcamposm@200.106.9.235] has joined #edubuntu [08:48] highvoltage: I like the new look - comments on the way... === JuICe_schule [n=Anon8098@p5087C32C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #edubuntu [09:06] hi === JuICe_schule [n=Anon8098@p5087C32C.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #edubuntu [] === jsgotangco [n=jsg@202.57.71.235] has joined #edubuntu === JaneW [n=JaneW@wbs-146-149-243.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #edubuntu [10:48] spacey: I finally answered you mail... sorry it took so long :) [10:48] spacey: see you at UBZ [10:51] =( [10:53] JaneW, thanks. [10:54] spacey, have fun [11:06] thanks :) [11:07] wish i could join you guys, just can't [11:09] :'( [11:09] JaneW, you got a little reply on your mail :) [11:17] ok [11:18] spacey: holding thumbs that your school accepts... [11:18] JaneW, yeah [11:18] hmmm? [11:19] jsgotangco, if school accepts my proposal i can dedicate a few months time to ubuntu [11:19] nice [11:19] including edubuntu :P [11:19] i wish i could do that [11:20] if not i will cry :'( [11:21] there is a lot to be fixed; i should find time this weekend to file my bug reports and finish up on the doc for inclusion to yelp [11:41] morning [11:42] hi ogra [11:43] JaneW, did you get, #14967 is solved.... [11:43] moi!? [11:43] YAY [11:43] .... with help from linus torvalds ;) [11:43] (ogra I thought yu said 'did you get #14967 solved' ;) ) [11:43] its a heavy kernel bug... [11:43] no way! [11:43] heh [11:43] very cool [11:43] was he your inotify expert then? ;) [11:44] but since sabdfl's decision to switch to gnome-screensaver i recieve about 20 bugs/h === JaneW is impressed [11:44] oh dear [11:44] are they bad? [11:44] i'm totally swamped in screensaver stuff :( [11:44] :( [11:44] can anyone pick that up for you? [11:45] nope, screensaver is my baby... [11:45] so with that biggie gone how are we looking? [11:46] still two bad LTSP bugs... [11:46] i'm considering a gcompris update, the new version should solve some issues, but i have to convince mdz and still moodle bugs... [11:47] thats all... [11:47] hey, and we have a really cool CD splash screen :) [11:48] the ltsp stuff is solved over one weekend, my problem here is rather to set up a bazaar repo for mdz he can merge, i'll do a little class with the bazaar guys this week... [11:48] ogra, the workstation mode is almost bug free with the exception of missing khelpcenter [11:49] mdz wont accept any patches from me anymore, so i have to get this running first [11:49] jsgotangco, khelpcenter will be added... i had to shuffle the space a bit... now i have 4MB free again :) [11:50] heh [11:51] apparently someone wrote a teachertool clone and clled it schooltool... i wonder if the schooltool guys know about it... [11:53] ogra, we get bootsplash as well? =) i guess no [11:53] jsgotangco, CD splash: http://www.grawert.net/edubuntu/edu_isolinux.png bootsplash: http://www.grawert.net/edubuntu/edusplash.png [11:53] JaneW, ^^ [11:54] ogra: when you have a minute or two, let me know, i need to ask you some questions :) [11:54] the usplash enhancements to support other images isnt in ubuntu yet, i dont know if we'll have it in time... but the CD splash is in, looks good in action :) [11:55] highvoltage, sure [11:55] shoot [11:55] :) [11:55] i installed edubuntu, [11:55] yay [11:55] ogra, same image? [11:56] jsgotangco, yup [11:56] then chrooted to /opt/ltsp/i386, (sorry, interupted by phone call) [11:56] and then apt-get installed edubuntu-desktop [11:56] highvoltage, err why ?? [11:57] and changed login manager to gdm, etc (to use as a diskless fat client). [11:57] it works wonderfully, [11:57] you dont need to touch the /opt/ltsp stuff at all [11:57] but without sound. Gnome seems to insist on using esd. [11:57] ogra: yes, I do. we need to have diskless fat clients at some schools for performance. [11:57] how do you manage the shh tunnel through gdm ? [11:57] ssh even [11:57] i don't. [11:58] so you tested k12 on ubuntu then :/ [11:58] gdm starts on the local machine, so it doesn't need the ssh tunneling stuff. [11:58] ogra: no! [11:58] ogra: the workstations don't work as thin clients, they boot as full machines. [11:58] just from the network :) [11:59] gdm starts on the thin client if you installed it in the chroot... gdm isnt capable of ssh tunneling as is... so you can only do normal X connections... which is k12 and not edubuntu ltsp [11:59] ah, for fat clients... [11:59] ogra: yes, but K12 then uses XDMCP to connect to the server [11:59] ogra: I don't [12:00] now i understand... but you wont be able to run thin clients anymore [12:00] ogra: I run *everything* on local CPU/memory, etc. [12:00] ogra: yes, that's the point :) [12:00] ogra: actually, I can. [12:00] I have another /opt/ltsp [12:00] thast what ldm in dapper will solve [12:00] or an /opt/realltsp [12:00] ogra: [12:00] do you understand what I'm asking now? [12:00] :) [12:01] yes, but you want to separate it in different chroots... i want all in one as long as i use the same arch.... [12:01] I have diskless fat clients, that work find. Except for sound, it seems that the GNOME on edubuntu just wants to use esd. [12:01] I can play ogg's with ogg123 on the client, but not from gnome. [12:01] but its a good workaround for the fat client problem for now, kudos :) [12:02] try using polypaudion, it emulates esd.... [12:02] thanks, this is just a temporary solution that we need now (actually quite urgently) for some multimedia apps. [12:02] *polypaudio [12:02] ogra: thanks, i'll try that. [12:03] its still to buggy to replace esd, we tried to replace esd since warty with it.. but on 80% of the machines it should run fine... hope that you dont belong to the 20% ;) [12:04] yay, another 10 screensaver bugs :/ [12:04] oh my [12:05] *+++++++sigh [12:07] :( [12:10] the complaintments about the old lock dialog were less... [12:10] (that cused sabdfl to request the change, he didnt like it) [12:10] cased even [12:11] grr [12:11] caused [12:12] err [12:12] i like the new lock dialog [12:13] he didnt... and i doubt mdz will change back to xscreensaver again after all the work that has gone into gnome-screensaver [12:13] ogra: i can't find polypaudio in edubuntu, should i get it from universe? [12:13] yup [12:13] things we dont ship are in universe ;) [12:16] highvoltage, you could try the themeable ldm for your thin clinets, it doesnt look as scary as the current one... [12:17] its here: http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/edubuntu/ [12:19] ogra: aha, I'll try that for the next setup (i want to make minimal changes to current setup, keep things working :) ) [12:19] ogra: will ldm also work on "diskless fat clients"? [12:19] highvoltage, not yet i guess... [12:19] but it will have xdmcp capabilitys for every machine running ssh in your network ;) [12:20] no need to set up X to have a server ;) [12:21] i simply havent done any testing with fat clients... since is not on the agenda for breezy === Rondom [n=andreas@A49f6.a.pppool.de] has joined #edubuntu [12:25] ogra: yes, i understand. [12:25] ogra: i'm going to test this setup in a 27 seat lab next week, [12:25] yay [12:26] ogra: so i'm going to put what i've done on the wiki, so perhaps you could help me clean it up for breezy+1? [12:26] yup, no problem :) [12:28] highvoltage: excellent :) [12:28] highvoltage: where's the lab? [12:29] JaneW: Mitchells Plein [12:29] ogra: how's your ldap skills :) [12:30] very light :) [12:30] i will have to improve them for dapper ;) [12:31] yep. using diskless fat clients with ldap should work nice. [12:32] yup [12:32] for the tests, i'm just adding users to the /chroot. but i'll probably us NIS for a bit longer term test. [12:32] ldap is on the agenda for dapper in any case... [12:32] my ldap is terrible, but i'll have to work on it. [12:32] and i will use everything but nis in dapper :) [12:32] for certain. [12:33] it would make a joke out of the security improvements we did with ltsp :) [12:33] it will still be a temporary solution (for about 4 of our schools) [12:33] yes, we're going to skip breezy for our schools, and hold on for dapper. [12:36] hrm, why does the whole world send me their teachertool clone that cant work with our ltsp *sigh* [12:38] i have mails with link to 3 different teacher tools now... all telling me how cool it would work with edubuntu... all run xhost+ on the client and monitor X exports *doublesigh* [12:39] because it's "ltsp" :) [12:39] symbiont won't work with our ltsp either. [12:39] nope... [12:40] but thats ok, i'm not really after supporting webbin stuff... [12:40] its not supportable [12:40] nah, I don't think it should be too much of a problem. [12:40] webmin indeed heh [12:40] highvoltage, we wont support webmin at any time [12:40] so thats a blocker... === highvoltage doesn't use webmin === highvoltage didn't suggest webmin [12:41] oh, right, symbiont has a web interface too, sorry. [12:41] yes, let's avoid that alltogether then :) [12:41] symbiont doesnt work without webmin ... its 100% based on it [12:41] ah, I didn't know that. [12:41] thats my prob with it [12:42] that's actually quite sucky. [12:42] its a cool interface... but its based on sowtware that gives a shit on security (pardon my french)999999999999 [12:42] so it's really just better to put more effort into teachertool. [12:43] thats my plan... SCP is in a good state to be used as a base for further enhancements, i plan a plugin system for it so from dapper people can easily write python plugins to enhance it [12:44] SCP? [12:44] my hope is to once have a universal tool to manage all the stuff you need in one place [12:44] as in scp? [12:44] student control panel.... [12:45] even a plugin for the old ltsp should be possible, so it should integrate fine with existing infrastructure [12:45] i wonder how this will affect old ltsp. [12:45] it's obvious even to me how much better it is. [12:46] i think they could use the chroot environment as a replacement for the old ltsp chroot [12:46] (or at least a modifies version) [12:46] i think the LTSP team does their summit at UBZ for a reason this year ; [12:46] it would already be an improvement. [12:46] hehe :) [12:47] i think it will cause a bit of confusion, they'll talk about ltsp, ubuntu will talk about ltsp, but it will be two different ltsp's. I think it's important for people to realise that. [12:48] i think we'll talk about the same ltsp ;) [12:49] aaaaaah [12:50] the ltsp team works tightly with mdz... pere_gone is working on getting mdz's ltsp into debian afaik, so skole will probably switch too at some point [12:56] that's excellent. [12:56] ubuntu is great for bringing the different people together. [12:57] or at least, the people who work for ubuntu/canonical :) [01:00] http://www.opera.com/pressreleases/en/2005/09/20/ [01:00] <3 [01:00] lovely [01:00] time for a cig/coffee-break again.. === mpt [n=mpt@200-171-140-32.dsl.telesp.net.br] has joined #edubuntu === jinty [n=jinty@205.134.224.215] has joined #edubuntu === TheRondom [n=andreas@mrbg-d9b953cf.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #edubuntu === yvesC [n=yves@81.56.207.189] has joined #edubuntu === jonathan-ftsp [n=jonathan@196.36.161.235] has joined #edubuntu [02:52] ogra: have you used the /opt/lts/lts.conf before? i tried it with edubuntu this weekend, but my keyboard freezes when i use it, and the changes to lts.conf make little difference. [02:54] whoops, missed him === jonathan-fc [n=jonathan@196.36.161.235] has joined #edubuntu [03:00] ogra: i installed the polypaudio package, but gnome doesn't see the sound card. [03:00] although, if i do a "ogg123 file.off -d alsa09", then it plays. [03:01] is there any way i could get alsa support into gnome? [03:01] its there [03:01] just select it [03:01] if i go to the selector, it shows no sound cards. [03:01] but alsa only works if the soundcard has dmix suport [03:02] which is still not every soundcard, thats why we have a mixed architecture for breezy [03:02] (esd+alsa/dmix) [03:02] i'm having trouble understanding. [03:03] would the ac97 sound cards in the thinpad laptops support dmix? [03:03] and i810 onboard sound? [03:03] dmix is a kernel enhancement that does the same a sound daemon does, its a part of alsa... [03:03] ah. [03:03] would it have a kernel module in ubuntu? [03:03] it only works for cards that are "real" soundcards.... most of the onboard soundcards arent [03:04] i.e. it will work with a soundblaster [03:04] so esd is my only option here then? [03:04] strangely enough, gdm plays the ubuntu startup sounds when it's booted up. [03:04] a "soundserver" is your only option then [03:04] thats done by alsaplayer afaik [03:05] just try to select alsa in the multimedia settings.. [03:06] how did i miss that... when i click on test, it says failed to contruct pipe. [03:06] hmm, so no dmix support for you... [03:07] you could use oss as well, but it blocks the sound device [03:07] oss also says failed to contruct pipeline :( [03:08] that part in the pipeline field, is that supposed to be an executable? [03:08] i can't find a osssink or alsasink on my system [03:09] its part of gstreamer... all the sinks are in the default install [03:09] perhaps it's a gstreamer package i have missing. [03:09] you cant if you have one of the -desktop packages installed [03:10] they depend on it [03:10] (both edubuntu-desktop and ubuntu-desktop) [03:11] oh, indeed you dont have gstreamer0.8-polypaudio installed... so polyp cant work... [03:11] install that and try again with it [03:12] i can't find such a package, even in universe. === jonathan-fc checks spelling [03:14] nope. do you have additional sources? [03:14] nope [03:15] apt-cache show gstreamer0.8-polypaudio gives nothing ? [03:16] W: Unable to locate package gstreamer0.8-polypaudio [03:16] E: No packages found [03:16] hmm [03:16] this is my source: [03:16] deb http://za.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu breezy main restricted universe [03:17] should work [03:19] Sound preferences doesn't show any soundcard under default sound card. do you know where it gets its list from? [03:19] nope, ask pitti in -devel [03:20] ok. won't they complain if i as in devel? [03:21] nope [03:22] ok, i should ask him where the gstreamer0.8-polypaudio package is, right? [03:22] nevermind [03:22] thanks :) [03:22] heh [03:29] jonathan-fc, i'd start with installing gstreamer backends... and try to find a workng one... [03:30] apt-cache search gstreamer0.8 [03:30] will show you a bunch of audiosinks you can use... even arts is supporte [03:30] i just did a apt-cache install gstreamer0.8*, fwiw [03:30] d [03:30] apt-get [03:31] i think jack might work but it has very bad security issues === guim [n=glederer@193.190.183.237] has joined #edubuntu === Seveas [n=seveas@seveas.demon.nl] has joined #edubuntu [04:02] ogra: I even get the "failed to construct pipeline" message when i use autodetect in multimedia systems selector. any ideas? [04:03] i never used/tried autodetect... [04:03] all of them just says the same thing. i'm completely stumped. [04:04] i think i should look at this again friday. [04:05] gdm uses 'gdmplay' [04:07] which is a script and calls /usr/bin/aplay -q -N $@ 2> /dev/null [04:08] ok. [04:08] which in return is in alsa-utils :) [04:08] so why would alsa work so easily from the console, but not from gnome? am I missing something in gstreamer? [04:09] dpkg -l gstreamer0.8-alsa ? [04:11] i have gstreamer0.8-alsa installed, not sure i understand the entire output, /msg'ing to you [04:11] ok [04:11] err, you cant msg if your user isnt registered [04:11] Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge/Hold [04:11] | Status=Not/Installed/Config-files/Unpacked/Failed-config/Half-installed [04:11] |/ Err?=(none)/Hold/Reinst-required/X=both-problems (Status,Err: uppercase=bad) [04:11] ||/ Name Version Description [04:12] +++-==============-==============-============================================ [04:12] ii gstreamer0.8-a 0.8.11-0ubuntu ALSA plugin for GStreamer [04:12] oops [04:12] ii means installed correctly [04:13] ah [04:13] i can't play alsa sounds as a normal user, only root. [04:13] i wonder if that's part of the cause. [04:14] hmm, is your user in the audio group ? [04:14] ogra: got my /msg ? [04:14] i don't think so [04:14] huh, why ? [04:29] ogra: thanks for your help, i would have wasted many more hours trying to get gstreamer to work :) [04:30] seems like it's always the simple things causing the trouble. [04:30] cheers! [04:30] :) === rickfitz [n=chatzill@82.152.83.141] has joined #edubuntu === ogra_ [n=ogra@p5089CF8E.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #edubuntu [04:50] ogra: do you want reports on daily builds? or just the official preview for now? [04:51] rickfitz, every report helps... [04:51] but i know that the weekend build was broken apparently [04:51] should be solved in todays [04:51] ogra_: so I just found... [04:52] there was a bug in the module-tinit-tools that prevented the xserver from starting on the thin client [04:52] *module-init-tools [04:54] I tried 20050919 - base system install failed at initrd-tools. I didn't check the md5sum, so might be a bad download. [04:54] hmm, sounds like a bad cd [04:54] also tried rsync to save bandwidth, but doesn't seem to save anything. [04:54] i used it yesterday [04:57] is there a magic block-size or something to get rsync to work well? [05:03] nope [05:03] whats the commandline you use ? [05:06] took it off the GettingUbuntu page, with the url changed to ...edubuntu/daily/current... [05:07] Added more -v's and saw it seemed to be working, but still wanting over 3hrs to download. [05:07] which is about the same as a full download. [05:08] also tried block-size of 2048 to attempt better alignment with iso file structure, but no better [05:08] rsync -a --progress rsync://cdimage.ubuntu.com/cdimage/edubuntu/daily/current/breezy-install-i386.iso breezy-install-i386.iso breezy-install-i386.iso [05:08] thats the command i use [05:08] indeed you have to run it in the dir the iso is located [05:09] only difference is the -a [05:09] i get an updated iso in about 10-15 mins [05:09] you also have the breezy-install-i386.iso twice in the end ? [05:10] yes - although don't know what the second one does (from reading the manpage) [05:10] hmm, strange then [05:11] between two dailies you only have a difference of 1-10 MB ... it shouldnt take this long [05:11] only other thing is I copied the original from elsewhere, but I did alter the timestamp with touch to make it older than the new one. [05:12] hmm [05:12] I'll start again and see if I can sort it out... Sounds like it's something my end. [05:12] Thanks for all your help. [05:13] :) [05:13] thanks for all the testing [05:14] I'm just sorry I got too busy after the summit to get more involved then. Contract extension followed by holidays ruined all my plans. [05:18] its fine, you are one of the active testers, thats invaluable [05:18] :) === rickfitz [n=chatzill@82.152.83.141] has left #edubuntu [] [06:11] hey oliver [06:11] hey [06:12] apologies for not getting all the testing I wanted done [06:12] hope to get some more time now, but life in a new business is unplannable :P [06:13] still, as I said earlier, since release is closing in, if you have any specifics you need help with just let me know [06:14] i will, crrently there is not much you can do to help me.... there is a lot internal stuff to sort out [06:14] right [06:14] most intresting are test results and bug reports :) [06:15] hopefully where we're going will benefit in the long run :) [06:16] surely :) [06:19] trying to get a hold of a price on the new xfire servers from sun outside office hours in Norway is haaard. :P === kwak [n=kwak@210.1.27.242] has joined #edubuntu === nickm_ [n=nickm@82.153.107.192] has joined #edubuntu === nickm_ [n=nickm@82.153.107.192] has left #edubuntu ["Leaving"] === jeang [n=jeang@c6-dbn-118.absamail.co.za] has joined #edubuntu === pips [n=pips@151.228.76.83.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #edubuntu === pips [n=pips@151.228.76.83.cust.bluewin.ch] has left #edubuntu ["Leaving"] === yvesC [n=yves@81.56.207.189] has joined #edubuntu === bdoin [n=coudoin@bla31-1-82-228-70-121.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #edubuntu === jeang [n=jeang@c6-dbn-118.absamail.co.za] has left #edubuntu [] === bdoin is now known as bdoin_away === bdoin_away is now known as bdoin === LinuxJones [n=willy@blk-222-89-108.eastlink.ca] has joined #edubuntu === Seveas [n=seveas@seveas.demon.nl] has joined #edubuntu === Burgundavia [n=corey@S0106000000cc07fc.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #edubuntu === bdoin is now known as bdoin_away === linescann [n=linescan@62.121.26.69] has joined #edubuntu === rickfitz [n=chatzill@82.152.83.141] has joined #edubuntu === flint_ [n=flint_@dsl092-145-252.wdc2.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #edubuntu [11:17] hi there!!! [11:18] anyone know where ollie is? === bdoin_away is now known as bdoin [11:18] if you say ogra to me, you get highlighted and i hear a beep flint_ [11:18] :) [11:19] olllie!!!! (or ogra) I got a favor to ask... [11:19] go ahead [11:20] where did you say the lotr login patch was? I wrote it down (er...) [11:20] I am now at a system where I can check it and report it as working (or not). [11:20] http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/edubuntu/ [11:21] read ldm_installation.txt [11:21] thanks ace! [11:21] on it. [11:21] its writte that you can copy/paste the commands needed === Burgundavia [n=corey@S0106000000cc07fc.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #edubuntu === flint_ [n=flint_@dsl092-145-252.wdc2.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #edubuntu [11:30] ogra, I lost the url AGAIN! It is Elkner's fault! [11:31] i was reading the txt file and we started talking about rebooting... and .... [11:31] http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/edubuntu/ [11:31] :) [11:32] ollie, THANKS! (I am such a fuuul) [11:32] nah :) [11:32] bye we reboot.... === aladds [n=aladds@dsl-88-111-114-110.access.as9105.com] has joined #edubuntu === aladds [n=aladds@dsl-88-111-114-110.access.as9105.com] has left #edubuntu ["meh"] === rejden [n=rejden@147.175.55.175] has joined #edubuntu [11:43] re === nybble [n=nybble@d36-29-58.home1.cgocable.net] has joined #edubuntu === apokryphos [n=apokryph@host-87-74-2-161.bulldogdsl.com] has joined #edubuntu === jelkner [n=jelkner@dsl092-145-252.wdc2.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #edubuntu [12:02] ogra: ollie, help! the mean consultant broke my edubuntu server :-( [12:03] it keeps recycling and you don't get a login screen [12:03] and *he didn't back it up*