[12:16] <ogra> JaneW, 14967 is SOLVED !!!
[12:24] <magnon> don't worry, I'll find you a new one ;)
[12:24] <ogra> there are enough, but thanks
[12:24] <ogra> :)
[12:25] <magnon> inkscape rocks, by the way
[12:25] <magnon> :)
[12:25] <ogra> since i'm the screensaver maintainer and our dear sabdfl decided he wants gnome-screensaver instead of xscreensaver i have to manage that too...
[12:25] <ogra> and screensaver stuff is most time consuming :/
[03:31] <cyphase> brb
[06:58] <highvoltage> JaneW: ping
[08:25] <JaneW> hello highvoltage 
[08:31] <highvoltage> hi JaneW 
[08:31] <shaga> good morning both
[08:31] <highvoltage> morning shaga 
[08:31] <shaga> it's morning for me at least :p
[08:31] <shaga> and already time for a cig/coffee-break
[08:31] <highvoltage> shaga: morning for us too (+2GMT)
[08:31] <shaga> same timezone as for me
[08:32] <highvoltage> where in the world are you?
[08:32] <shaga> in finland ;)
[08:38] <JaneW> highvoltage: pong
[08:39] <JaneW> highvoltage: I am confussed by your license question...
[08:48] <JaneW> highvoltage: I like the new look - comments on the way...
[09:06] <JuICe_schule> hi
[10:48] <JaneW> spacey: I finally answered you mail... sorry it took so long :)
[10:48] <JaneW> spacey: see you at UBZ
[10:51] <jsgotangco> =(
[10:53] <spacey> JaneW, thanks.
[10:54] <jsgotangco> spacey, have fun
[11:06] <spacey> thanks :)
[11:07] <jsgotangco> wish i could join you guys, just can't
[11:09] <spacey> :'(
[11:09] <spacey> JaneW, you got a little reply on your mail :)
[11:17] <JaneW> ok
[11:18] <JaneW> spacey: holding thumbs that your school accepts...
[11:18] <spacey> JaneW, yeah 
[11:18] <jsgotangco> hmmm?
[11:19] <spacey> jsgotangco, if school accepts my proposal i can dedicate a few months time to ubuntu 
[11:19] <jsgotangco> nice
[11:19] <spacey> including edubuntu :P
[11:19] <jsgotangco> i wish i could do that
[11:20] <spacey> if not i will cry :'(
[11:21] <jsgotangco> there is a lot to be fixed; i should find time this weekend to file my bug reports and finish up on the doc for inclusion to yelp
[11:41] <ogra> morning
[11:42] <JaneW> hi ogra
[11:43] <ogra> JaneW, did you get, #14967 is solved....
[11:43] <JaneW> moi!?
[11:43] <JaneW> YAY
[11:43] <ogra> .... with help from linus torvalds ;)
[11:43] <JaneW> (ogra I thought yu said 'did you get #14967 solved' ;) )
[11:43] <ogra> its a heavy kernel bug...
[11:43] <JaneW> no way!
[11:43] <ogra> heh
[11:43] <JaneW> very cool
[11:43] <JaneW> was he your inotify expert then? ;)
[11:44] <ogra> but since sabdfl's decision to switch to gnome-screensaver i recieve about 20 bugs/h
[11:44] <JaneW> oh dear
[11:44] <JaneW> are they bad?
[11:44] <ogra> i'm totally swamped in screensaver stuff :(
[11:44] <JaneW> :(
[11:44] <JaneW> can anyone pick that up for you?
[11:45] <ogra> nope, screensaver is my baby...
[11:45] <JaneW> so with that biggie gone how are we looking?
[11:46] <ogra> still two bad LTSP bugs...
[11:46] <ogra> i'm considering a gcompris update, the new version should solve some issues, but i have to convince mdz and still moodle bugs...
[11:47] <ogra> thats all...
[11:47] <ogra> hey, and we have a really cool CD splash screen :)
[11:48] <ogra> the ltsp stuff is solved over one weekend, my problem here is rather to set up a bazaar repo for mdz he can merge, i'll do a little class with the bazaar guys this week...
[11:48] <jsgotangco> ogra, the workstation mode is almost bug free with the exception of missing khelpcenter
[11:49] <ogra> mdz wont accept any patches from me anymore, so i have to get this running first
[11:49] <ogra> jsgotangco, khelpcenter will be added... i had to shuffle the space a bit... now i have 4MB free again :)
[11:50] <jsgotangco> heh
[11:51] <ogra> apparently someone wrote a teachertool clone and clled it schooltool... i wonder if the schooltool guys know about it...
[11:53] <jsgotangco> ogra, we get bootsplash as well? =) i guess no
[11:53] <ogra> jsgotangco, CD splash: http://www.grawert.net/edubuntu/edu_isolinux.png bootsplash: http://www.grawert.net/edubuntu/edusplash.png
[11:53] <ogra> JaneW, ^^
[11:54] <highvoltage> ogra: when you have a minute or two, let me know, i need to ask you some questions :)
[11:54] <ogra> the usplash enhancements to support other images isnt in ubuntu yet, i dont know if we'll have it in time... but the CD splash is in, looks good in action :)
[11:55] <ogra> highvoltage, sure
[11:55] <ogra> shoot
[11:55] <highvoltage> :)
[11:55] <highvoltage> i installed edubuntu,
[11:55] <ogra> yay
[11:55] <jsgotangco> ogra, same image?
[11:56] <ogra> jsgotangco, yup
[11:56] <highvoltage> then chrooted to /opt/ltsp/i386, (sorry, interupted by phone call)
[11:56] <highvoltage> and then apt-get installed edubuntu-desktop
[11:56] <ogra> highvoltage, err why ??
[11:57] <highvoltage> and changed login manager to gdm, etc (to use as a diskless fat client).
[11:57] <highvoltage> it works wonderfully,
[11:57] <ogra> you dont need to touch the /opt/ltsp stuff at all
[11:57] <highvoltage> but without sound. Gnome seems to insist on using esd.
[11:57] <highvoltage> ogra: yes, I do. we need to have diskless fat clients at some schools for performance.
[11:57] <ogra> how do you manage the shh tunnel through gdm ? 
[11:57] <ogra> ssh even
[11:57] <highvoltage> i don't.
[11:58] <ogra> so you tested k12 on ubuntu then :/
[11:58] <highvoltage> gdm starts on the local machine, so it doesn't need the ssh tunneling stuff.
[11:58] <highvoltage> ogra: no!
[11:58] <highvoltage> ogra: the workstations don't work as thin clients, they boot as full machines.
[11:58] <highvoltage> just from the network :)
[11:59] <ogra> gdm starts on the thin client if you installed it in the chroot... gdm isnt capable of ssh tunneling as is... so you can only do normal X connections... which is k12 and not edubuntu ltsp
[11:59] <ogra> ah, for fat clients...
[11:59] <highvoltage> ogra: yes, but K12 then uses XDMCP to connect to the server
[11:59] <highvoltage> ogra: I don't
[12:00] <ogra> now i understand... but you wont be able to run thin clients anymore
[12:00] <highvoltage> ogra: I run *everything* on local CPU/memory, etc.
[12:00] <highvoltage> ogra: yes, that's the point :)
[12:00] <highvoltage> ogra: actually, I can.
[12:00] <highvoltage> I have another /opt/ltsp
[12:00] <ogra> thast what ldm in dapper will solve
[12:00] <highvoltage> or an /opt/realltsp
[12:00] <highvoltage> ogra: 
[12:00] <highvoltage> do you understand what I'm asking now?
[12:00] <highvoltage> :)
[12:01] <ogra> yes, but you want to separate it in different chroots... i want all in one as long as i use the same arch....
[12:01] <highvoltage> I have diskless fat clients, that work find. Except for sound, it seems that the GNOME on edubuntu just wants to use esd.
[12:01] <highvoltage> I can play ogg's with ogg123 on the client, but not from gnome.
[12:01] <ogra> but its a good workaround for the fat client problem for now, kudos :)
[12:02] <ogra> try using polypaudion, it emulates esd....
[12:02] <highvoltage> thanks, this is just a temporary solution that we need now (actually quite urgently) for some multimedia apps.
[12:02] <ogra> *polypaudio
[12:02] <highvoltage> ogra: thanks, i'll try that.
[12:03] <ogra> its still to buggy to replace esd, we tried to replace esd since warty with it.. but on 80% of the machines it should run fine... hope that you dont belong to the 20% ;)
[12:04] <ogra> yay, another 10 screensaver bugs :/
[12:04] <jsgotangco> oh my
[12:05] <ogra> *+++++++sigh
[12:07] <JaneW> :(
[12:10] <ogra> the complaintments about the old lock dialog were less...
[12:10] <ogra> (that cused sabdfl to request the change, he didnt like it)
[12:10] <ogra> cased even
[12:11] <ogra> grr
[12:11] <ogra> caused
[12:12] <jsgotangco> err
[12:12] <jsgotangco> i like the new lock dialog
[12:13] <ogra> he didnt... and i doubt mdz will change back to xscreensaver again after all the work that has gone into gnome-screensaver
[12:13] <highvoltage> ogra: i can't find polypaudio in edubuntu, should i get it from universe?
[12:13] <ogra> yup
[12:13] <ogra> things we dont ship are in universe ;)
[12:16] <ogra> highvoltage, you could try the themeable ldm for your thin clinets, it doesnt look as scary as the current one...
[12:17] <ogra> its here: http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/edubuntu/
[12:19] <highvoltage> ogra: aha, I'll try that for the next setup (i want to make minimal changes to current setup, keep things working :) )
[12:19] <highvoltage> ogra: will ldm also work on "diskless fat clients"?
[12:19] <ogra> highvoltage, not yet i guess...
[12:19] <ogra> but it will have xdmcp capabilitys for every machine running ssh in your network ;)
[12:20] <ogra> no need to set up X to have a server ;)
[12:21] <ogra> i simply havent done any testing with fat clients... since is not on the agenda for breezy
[12:25] <highvoltage> ogra: yes, i understand.
[12:25] <highvoltage> ogra: i'm going to test this setup in a 27 seat lab next week,
[12:25] <ogra> yay
[12:26] <highvoltage> ogra: so i'm going to put what i've done on the wiki, so perhaps you could help me clean it up for breezy+1?
[12:26] <ogra> yup, no problem :)
[12:28] <JaneW> highvoltage: excellent :)
[12:28] <JaneW> highvoltage: where's the lab?
[12:29] <highvoltage> JaneW: Mitchells Plein
[12:29] <highvoltage> ogra: how's your ldap skills :)
[12:30] <ogra> very light :) 
[12:30] <ogra> i will have to improve them for dapper ;)
[12:31] <highvoltage> yep. using diskless fat clients with ldap should work nice.
[12:32] <ogra> yup
[12:32] <highvoltage> for the tests, i'm just adding users to the /chroot. but i'll probably us NIS for a bit longer term test.
[12:32] <ogra> ldap is on the agenda for dapper in any case... 
[12:32] <highvoltage> my ldap is terrible, but i'll have to work on it.
[12:32] <ogra> and i will use everything but nis in dapper :)
[12:32] <highvoltage> for certain.
[12:33] <ogra> it would make a joke out of the security improvements we did with ltsp :)
[12:33] <highvoltage> it will still be a temporary solution (for about 4 of our schools)
[12:33] <highvoltage> yes, we're going to skip breezy for our schools, and hold on for dapper.
[12:36] <ogra> hrm, why does the whole world send me their teachertool clone that cant work with our ltsp *sigh*
[12:38] <ogra> i have mails with link to 3 different teacher tools now... all telling me how cool it would work with edubuntu... all run xhost+ on the client and monitor X exports *doublesigh*
[12:39] <highvoltage> because it's "ltsp" :)
[12:39] <highvoltage> symbiont won't work with our ltsp either.
[12:39] <ogra> nope...
[12:40] <ogra> but thats ok, i'm not really after supporting webbin stuff...
[12:40] <ogra> its not supportable
[12:40] <highvoltage> nah, I don't think it should be too much of a problem.
[12:40] <ogra> webmin indeed heh
[12:40] <ogra> highvoltage, we wont support webmin at any time
[12:40] <ogra> so thats a blocker...
[12:41] <highvoltage> oh, right, symbiont has a web interface too, sorry.
[12:41] <highvoltage> yes, let's avoid that alltogether then :)
[12:41] <ogra> symbiont doesnt work without webmin ... its 100% based on it
[12:41] <highvoltage> ah, I didn't know that.
[12:41] <ogra> thats my prob with it
[12:42] <highvoltage> that's actually quite sucky.
[12:42] <ogra> its a cool interface... but its based on sowtware that gives a shit on security (pardon my french)999999999999
[12:42] <highvoltage> so it's really just better to put more effort into teachertool.
[12:43] <ogra> thats my plan... SCP is in a good state to be used as a base for further enhancements, i plan a plugin system for it so from dapper people can easily write python plugins to enhance it 
[12:44] <highvoltage> SCP?
[12:44] <ogra> my hope is to once have a universal tool to manage all the stuff you need in one place
[12:44] <highvoltage> as in scp?
[12:44] <ogra> student control panel.... 
[12:45] <ogra> even a plugin for the old ltsp should be possible, so it should integrate fine with existing infrastructure
[12:45] <highvoltage> i wonder how this will affect old ltsp.
[12:45] <highvoltage> it's obvious even to me how much better it is.
[12:46] <highvoltage> i think they could use the chroot environment as a replacement for the old ltsp chroot
[12:46] <highvoltage> (or at least a modifies version)
[12:46] <ogra> i think the LTSP team does their summit at UBZ for a reason this year ;
[12:46] <highvoltage> it would already be an improvement.
[12:46] <highvoltage> hehe :)
[12:47] <highvoltage> i think it will cause a bit of confusion, they'll talk about ltsp, ubuntu will talk about ltsp, but it will be two different ltsp's. I think it's important for people to realise that.
[12:48] <ogra> i think we'll talk about the same ltsp ;)
[12:49] <highvoltage> aaaaaah
[12:50] <ogra> the ltsp team works tightly with mdz... pere_gone is working on getting mdz's ltsp into debian afaik, so skole will probably switch too at some point
[12:56] <highvoltage> that's excellent.
[12:56] <highvoltage> ubuntu is great for bringing the different people together.
[12:57] <highvoltage> or at least, the people who work for ubuntu/canonical :)
[01:00] <shaga> http://www.opera.com/pressreleases/en/2005/09/20/
[01:00] <shaga> <3
[01:00] <shaga> lovely
[01:00] <shaga> time for a cig/coffee-break again..
[02:52] <jonathan-ftsp> ogra: have you used the /opt/lts/lts.conf before? i tried it with edubuntu this weekend, but my keyboard freezes when i use it, and the changes to lts.conf make little difference.
[02:54] <ogra> whoops, missed him
[03:00] <jonathan-fc> ogra: i installed the polypaudio package, but gnome doesn't see the sound card.
[03:00] <jonathan-fc> although, if i do a "ogg123 file.off -d alsa09", then it plays.
[03:01] <jonathan-fc> is there any way i could get alsa support into gnome?
[03:01] <ogra> its there
[03:01] <ogra> just select it
[03:01] <jonathan-fc> if i go to the selector, it shows no sound cards.
[03:01] <ogra> but alsa only works if the soundcard has dmix suport
[03:02] <ogra> which is still not every soundcard, thats why we have a mixed architecture for breezy
[03:02] <ogra> (esd+alsa/dmix)
[03:02] <jonathan-fc> i'm having trouble understanding.
[03:03] <jonathan-fc> would the ac97 sound cards in the thinpad laptops support dmix?
[03:03] <jonathan-fc> and i810 onboard sound?
[03:03] <ogra> dmix is a kernel enhancement that does the same a sound daemon does, its a part of alsa...
[03:03] <jonathan-fc> ah.
[03:03] <jonathan-fc> would it have a kernel module in ubuntu?
[03:03] <ogra> it only works for cards that are "real" soundcards.... most of the onboard soundcards arent
[03:04] <ogra> i.e. it will work with a soundblaster
[03:04] <jonathan-fc> so esd is my only option here then?
[03:04] <jonathan-fc> strangely enough, gdm plays the ubuntu startup sounds when it's booted up.
[03:04] <ogra> a "soundserver" is your only option then
[03:04] <ogra> thats done by alsaplayer afaik
[03:05] <ogra> just try to select alsa in the multimedia settings..
[03:06] <jonathan-fc> how did i miss that... when i click on test, it says failed to contruct pipe.
[03:06] <ogra> hmm, so no dmix support for you...
[03:07] <ogra> you could use oss as well, but it blocks the sound device
[03:07] <jonathan-fc> oss also says failed to contruct pipeline :(
[03:08] <jonathan-fc> that part in the pipeline field, is that supposed to be an executable?
[03:08] <jonathan-fc> i can't find a osssink or alsasink on my system
[03:09] <ogra> its part of gstreamer... all the sinks are in the default install
[03:09] <jonathan-fc> perhaps it's a gstreamer package i have missing.
[03:09] <ogra> you cant if you have one of the -desktop packages installed
[03:10] <ogra> they depend on it
[03:10] <ogra> (both edubuntu-desktop and ubuntu-desktop)
[03:11] <ogra> oh, indeed you dont have gstreamer0.8-polypaudio installed... so polyp cant work...
[03:11] <ogra> install that and try again with it
[03:12] <jonathan-fc> i can't find such a package, even in universe.
[03:14] <jonathan-fc> nope. do you have additional sources?
[03:14] <ogra> nope
[03:15] <ogra> apt-cache show gstreamer0.8-polypaudio gives nothing ? 
[03:16] <jonathan-fc> W: Unable to locate package gstreamer0.8-polypaudio
[03:16] <jonathan-fc> E: No packages found
[03:16] <ogra> hmm
[03:16] <jonathan-fc> this is my source:
[03:16] <jonathan-fc> deb http://za.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu breezy main restricted universe
[03:17] <ogra> should work
[03:19] <jonathan-fc> Sound preferences doesn't show any soundcard under default sound card. do you know where it gets its list from?
[03:19] <ogra> nope, ask pitti in -devel
[03:20] <jonathan-fc> ok. won't they complain if i as in devel?
[03:21] <ogra> nope
[03:22] <jonathan-fc> ok, i should ask him where the gstreamer0.8-polypaudio package is, right?
[03:22] <jonathan-fc> nevermind
[03:22] <jonathan-fc> thanks :)
[03:22] <ogra> heh
[03:29] <ogra> jonathan-fc, i'd start with installing gstreamer backends... and try to find a workng one...
[03:30] <ogra> apt-cache search gstreamer0.8
[03:30] <ogra> will show you a bunch of audiosinks you can use... even arts is supporte
[03:30] <jonathan-fc> i just did a apt-cache install gstreamer0.8*, fwiw
[03:30] <ogra> d
[03:30] <jonathan-fc> apt-get
[03:31] <ogra> i think jack might work but it has very bad security issues
[04:02] <jonathan-fc> ogra: I even get the "failed to construct pipeline" message when i use autodetect in multimedia systems selector. any ideas?
[04:03] <ogra> i never used/tried autodetect...
[04:03] <jonathan-fc> all of them just says the same thing. i'm completely stumped.
[04:04] <jonathan-fc> i think i should look at this again friday.
[04:05] <jonathan-fc> gdm uses 'gdmplay'
[04:07] <ogra> which is a script and calls /usr/bin/aplay -q -N $@ 2> /dev/null
[04:08] <jonathan-fc> ok.
[04:08] <ogra> which in return is in alsa-utils :)
[04:08] <jonathan-fc> so why would alsa work so easily from the console, but not from gnome? am I missing something in gstreamer?
[04:09] <ogra> dpkg -l gstreamer0.8-alsa ?
[04:11] <jonathan-fc> i have gstreamer0.8-alsa installed, not sure i understand the entire output, /msg'ing to you
[04:11] <ogra> ok
[04:11] <ogra> err, you cant msg if your user isnt registered
[04:11] <jonathan-fc> Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge/Hold
[04:11] <jonathan-fc> | Status=Not/Installed/Config-files/Unpacked/Failed-config/Half-installed
[04:11] <jonathan-fc> |/ Err?=(none)/Hold/Reinst-required/X=both-problems (Status,Err: uppercase=bad)
[04:11] <jonathan-fc> ||/ Name           Version        Description
[04:12] <jonathan-fc> +++-[04:12] <jonathan-fc> ii  gstreamer0.8-a 0.8.11-0ubuntu ALSA plugin for GStreamer
[04:12] <jonathan-fc> oops
[04:12] <ogra> ii means installed correctly
[04:13] <jonathan-fc> ah
[04:13] <jonathan-fc> i can't play alsa sounds as a normal user, only root.
[04:13] <jonathan-fc> i wonder if that's part of the cause.
[04:14] <ogra> hmm, is your user in the audio group ?
[04:14] <jonathan-fc> ogra: got my /msg ?
[04:14] <jonathan-fc> i don't think so
[04:14] <ogra> huh, why ? 
[04:29] <jonathan-fc> ogra: thanks for your help, i would  have wasted many more hours trying to get gstreamer to work :)
[04:30] <jonathan-fc> seems like it's always the simple things causing the trouble.
[04:30] <jonathan-fc> cheers!
[04:30] <ogra> :)
[04:50] <rickfitz> ogra: do you want reports on daily builds? or just the official preview for now?
[04:51] <ogra_> rickfitz, every report helps...
[04:51] <ogra_> but i know that the weekend build was broken apparently
[04:51] <ogra_> should be solved in todays
[04:51] <rickfitz> ogra_: so I just found...
[04:52] <ogra_> there was a bug in the module-tinit-tools that prevented the xserver from starting on the thin client
[04:52] <ogra_> *module-init-tools
[04:54] <rickfitz> I tried 20050919 - base system install failed at initrd-tools. I didn't check the md5sum, so might be a bad download.
[04:54] <ogra_> hmm, sounds like a bad cd
[04:54] <rickfitz> also tried rsync to save bandwidth, but doesn't seem to save anything.
[04:54] <ogra_> i used it yesterday
[04:57] <rickfitz> is there a magic block-size or something to get rsync to work well?
[05:03] <ogra_> nope
[05:03] <ogra_> whats the commandline you use ? 
[05:06] <rickfitz> took it off the GettingUbuntu page, with the url changed to ...edubuntu/daily/current...
[05:07] <rickfitz> Added more -v's and saw it seemed to be working, but still wanting over 3hrs to download.
[05:07] <rickfitz> which is about the same as a full download.
[05:08] <rickfitz> also tried block-size of 2048 to attempt better alignment with iso file structure, but no better
[05:08] <ogra_> rsync -a --progress rsync://cdimage.ubuntu.com/cdimage/edubuntu/daily/current/breezy-install-i386.iso breezy-install-i386.iso breezy-install-i386.iso
[05:08] <ogra_> thats the command i use
[05:08] <ogra_> indeed you have to run it in the dir the iso is located
[05:09] <rickfitz> only difference is the -a
[05:09] <ogra_> i get an updated iso in about 10-15 mins
[05:09] <ogra_> you also have the breezy-install-i386.iso twice in the end ? 
[05:10] <rickfitz> yes - although don't know what the second one does (from reading the manpage)
[05:10] <ogra_> hmm, strange then
[05:11] <ogra_> between two dailies you only have a difference of 1-10 MB ... it shouldnt take this long
[05:11] <rickfitz> only other thing is I copied the original from elsewhere, but I did alter the timestamp with touch to make it older than the new one.
[05:12] <ogra_> hmm
[05:12] <rickfitz> I'll start again and see if I can sort it out... Sounds like it's something my end.
[05:12] <rickfitz> Thanks for all your help.
[05:13] <ogra_> :) 
[05:13] <ogra_> thanks for all the testing
[05:14] <rickfitz> I'm just sorry I got too busy after the summit to get more involved then. Contract extension followed by holidays ruined all my plans.
[05:18] <ogra_> its fine, you are one of the active testers, thats invaluable
[05:18] <ogra_> :)
[06:11] <magnon> hey oliver
[06:11] <ogra> hey
[06:12] <magnon> apologies for not getting all the testing I wanted done
[06:12] <magnon> hope to get some more time now, but life in a new business is unplannable :P
[06:13] <magnon> still, as I said earlier, since release is closing in, if you have any specifics you need help with just let me know
[06:14] <ogra> i will, crrently there is not much you can do to help me.... there is a lot internal stuff to sort out
[06:14] <magnon> right
[06:14] <ogra> most intresting are test results and bug reports :)
[06:15] <magnon> hopefully where we're going will benefit in the long run :)
[06:16] <ogra> surely :)
[06:19] <magnon> trying to get a hold of a price on the new xfire servers from sun outside office hours in Norway is haaard. :P
[11:17] <flint_> hi there!!!
[11:18] <flint_> anyone know where ollie is?
[11:18] <ogra> if you say ogra to me, you get highlighted and i hear a beep flint_ 
[11:18] <ogra> :)
[11:19] <flint_> olllie!!!! (or ogra) I got a favor to ask...
[11:19] <ogra> go ahead
[11:20] <flint_> where did you say the lotr login patch was?  I wrote it down (er...)
[11:20] <flint_> I am now at a system where I can check it and report it as working (or not).
[11:20] <ogra> http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/edubuntu/
[11:21] <ogra> read ldm_installation.txt
[11:21] <flint_> thanks ace!
[11:21] <flint_> on it.
[11:21] <ogra> its writte that you can copy/paste the commands needed
[11:30] <flint_> ogra, I lost the url AGAIN!  It is Elkner's fault!
[11:31] <flint_> i was reading the txt file and we started talking about rebooting... and ....
[11:31] <ogra> http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/edubuntu/
[11:31] <ogra> :)
[11:32] <flint_> ollie, THANKS!  (I am such a fuuul)
[11:32] <ogra> nah :)
[11:32] <flint_> bye we reboot....
[11:43] <rejden> re
[12:02] <jelkner> ogra: ollie, help! the mean consultant broke my edubuntu server :-(
[12:03] <jelkner> it keeps recycling and you don't get a login screen
[12:03] <jelkner> and *he didn't back it up*