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| apokryphos | hm, how come the Kubuntu ISOs have GTK and gnome language packs? | 03:47 |
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| verwilst | goodmorning! | 09:16 |
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| verwilst | ok, the kdm splash doesn't look so bad as i first thought it did | 09:42 |
| verwilst | it has my seal of approval :p | 09:47 |
| verwilst | btw i don't have the time today to make deb's, but compiling em is no prob | 09:48 |
| verwilst | so if somebody has the the new orig and stuffs, feel free to send em to me and i'll debuild them :) | 09:49 |
| verwilst | if i do find the time, i'll create some deb's too | 09:49 |
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| Tm_T | hahahoo | 02:14 |
| Tm_T | good names for ubuntu releases =) | 02:14 |
| Tm_T | 15:13 < Humanoid> Ubuntu 6.05 - Merry Mushroom ..hrr | 02:14 |
| Tm_T | (badger?) | 02:14 |
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| dato | \sh_away: if you really uploaded amarok 1.3.1 to breezy, note that it comes without alsasink support, which may or may not be what you want. | 06:07 |
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| dato | (mentioning because I thought kubuntu used gstreamer/alsa by default) | 06:08 |
| \sh | what? | 06:09 |
| \sh | amarok? | 06:09 |
| dato | yes, bicbw. | 06:09 |
| \sh | gstreamer/alsa is not in 1.3.1 anymore...they removed it, cause it caused problems.. | 06:10 |
| \sh | please read upstream changelog | 06:10 |
| \sh | gstreamer/alsa is back in latest svn..i don't know if they are building it in again | 06:10 |
| Riddell | \sh: data knows :) that's what he's trying to tell you | 06:11 |
| Riddell | \sh: dato pacakges amarok for debian | 06:11 |
| Riddell | s/data/dato/ | 06:11 |
| \sh | uh... | 06:11 |
| \sh | sry | 06:11 |
| \sh | I'm just a bit p*ssed, cause all the people wanted to see amarok 1.3.x in ubuntu..now they have it, and are complaining | 06:12 |
| Riddell | \sh: what complaints have you been getting? | 06:12 |
| \sh | sabdfl owes me a beer because of this | 06:12 |
| dato | basically, what I'm trying to say is that breeze will ship without alsasink being available for amarok, and with autosink and gconfsink making it crash (if I read bug traffic correctly). which, is alsasink is used by many people, is bad. | 06:13 |
| \sh | riddell: audiocdslave not installed or not depending, no khelpcenter depends, mem leaks...all things i don't understand | 06:13 |
| dato | \sh: oh, out of curiosity, sabdfl asked for amarok 1.3.1 in breezy? | 06:13 |
| \sh | he read the MLs and asked why we don't have it..so I said to him, ok test it, and i packaged it...so he tested it, said, ok upload...and mdz agreed | 06:13 |
| \sh | without this, we wouldn't have 1.3.1 | 06:14 |
| dato | I see | 06:14 |
| dato | well, just wanted to point out the bit above | 06:14 |
| \sh | dato: well...xine engine works quite nicley...gstreamer works with audiocds (if you have audiocd slave installed ;)) so it's ok with me | 06:14 |
| \sh | dato: the rest will come with dapper | 06:15 |
| dato | ok | 06:17 |
| \sh | but... | 06:17 |
| dato | I was also a bit curious why an unoffcial version was imported into ubuntu when higher versions where in the archive, but it's not important. just curious, as I said. | 06:17 |
| \sh | while u r here ;) can u have a look on a special bug i closed today.. | 06:17 |
| dato | which bug? | 06:17 |
| \sh | dato: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=15617 | 06:18 |
| \sh | i mean that amarok is not easy on memory, everybody should know..but I don't see the memleak they're talking about | 06:18 |
| Riddell | dato: which unofficial version was imported into ubuntu? | 06:20 |
| \sh | 1.3.1 is official right? | 06:20 |
| dato | Riddell: uh, sorry if I alarmed you. by unofficial I meant from my people.d.o directory | 06:20 |
| \sh | dato: u mean the debian/* stuff? | 06:21 |
| dato | yep | 06:21 |
| \sh | hmmm..riddell pointed me to your svn :) | 06:21 |
| \sh | blame him :) | 06:21 |
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| \sh | runs even | 06:22 |
| Riddell | ah, 1.3.0-0precxxabi1 when 1.3.1 is in debian. that'll be my fault | 06:22 |
| \sh | anyways...doesn't matter right now | 06:22 |
| dato | Riddell: yeah, that. | 06:22 |
| dato | ok, won't take more time from you, I was just curious. | 06:22 |
| \sh | dato: i think we will sync it during the next release cycle | 06:23 |
| dato | sure | 06:23 |
| Riddell | there's a tradition of screwing up the amarok packaging in ubuntu, look at that epoch :) | 06:23 |
| \sh | oh crap yes..we can't sync it...we have to merge it by hand..damn | 06:23 |
| dato | heh, I see | 06:24 |
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| \sh | only 15 mins from me | 06:25 |
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| _tonio | Hi everyone | 06:35 |
| _tonio | Riddell: you asked for bugs on knetworkconf, I inform you incase you still don't know that switching to administrator mode still doesn't work | 06:35 |
| Riddell | _tonio: same old problem, hopefully I'll get a ch | 06:37 |
| Riddell | chance to look at it this week | 06:37 |
| Riddell | s/hopefully/damn well better/ | 06:38 |
| _tonio | Riddell: and concerning the default route and subnet bugs . did you manage to find the solution ? | 06:39 |
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| Riddell | _tonio: I havn't looked at them, could you report to bugzilla | 06:40 |
| _tonio | done 20times :) | 06:43 |
| _tonio | it seems to be a problem wil many debian based distros like mepis or xandros | 06:44 |
| _tonio | Riddell: ArkLinux I think have done a patch, mayvbe you could put it I don't know ;) | 06:44 |
| Riddell | arklinux is redhat based | 06:44 |
| Riddell | so probably wouldn't work | 06:45 |
| \sh | arklinux is bero | 06:45 |
| \sh | isn't it? | 06:45 |
| Riddell | yes | 06:46 |
| Riddell | I don't hear much from him/arklinux | 06:47 |
| \sh | i worked together with bero when he was still at redhat...and me too :) | 06:47 |
| \sh | hehe...was quite fun, seeing him working on kde on the linux console :) | 06:48 |
| Riddell | \sh: you worked at red hat? | 06:48 |
| \sh | yes...2001 redhat europe...web marketing and engineering for Redhat EMEA | 06:49 |
| _tonio | Riddell: maube it is not ark..... I have found a working deb with modifications, let me check one second | 06:49 |
| _tonio | Riddell: ASLinux have done a a patch apparently | 06:53 |
| _tonio | http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=39098 | 06:53 |
| _tonio | and a correct deb is available | 06:53 |
| _tonio | maybe that could be applyed to yours i don't know | 06:54 |
| _tonio | ;) | 06:54 |
| Riddell | _tonio: can you try it out to confirm it fixes it? | 06:56 |
| _tonio | I can | 06:57 |
| _tonio | let me 10 minutes | 06:57 |
| Riddell | you may have to recompile | 06:58 |
| _tonio | yep | 06:58 |
| _tonio | what would be interesting is to extract the patch and applied to your maybe | 06:58 |
| _tonio | I will first recompile and let you know ;) | 06:58 |
| Riddell | knetworkconf in kubuntu is already patched to hell | 06:58 |
| Riddell | with a branch patch | 06:59 |
| _tonio | lol okay ;) that app does seem to be very buggy, I can't understand it hasn't been done before by the kde team...... configuring the network is a must have in my view ! | 06:59 |
| Riddell | most distros have their own tools | 07:00 |
| apokryphos | Riddell: btw, I forgot to mention, it _is_ the same patch as the one I linked to (for rubberband). Annoying; they have it so smooth! | 07:05 |
| _tonio | hum designed to work on kde 3.3 ->not sure it will work there.... and I don't find the source package | 07:06 |
| _tonio | sh**t | 07:06 |
| Riddell | apokryphos: actually I'm surprised at the lack of complaints I've had about rubberband | 07:06 |
| _tonio | isn't there another tool that could act as a replacement for knetworkconf ? | 07:06 |
| Riddell | _tonio: not that I know of | 07:06 |
| _tonio | damn ;) | 07:07 |
| _tonio | Riddell: i imagine you would get hapy to find that out ;) | 07:07 |
| apokryphos | Riddell: It's reasonably perfect for smaller selections (and faster on the desktop), but cripples for bigger ones. Mind you, I'd still personally have it (as it is) of course | 07:07 |
| _tonio | Riddell: unable to find the sources for that package..... I may send a PM to the poster asking him for the diff extraction and let you know ;) We just can hope that it'll be fixed with kde 3.5 since kdenetworkconf will be part of it... | 07:29 |
| Riddell | knetworkconf get very little review in kdereview, I wish I'd had time for a clo | 07:30 |
| Riddell | closer look | 07:30 |
| _tonio | Riddell: i just know that kdenetworkconf is the only this that sounds crappy in my breezy installation, the rest is like a charm ;) | 07:32 |
| Riddell | _tonio: how is kaffeine? | 07:34 |
| _tonio | fine to me | 07:35 |
| _tonio | with gstreamer you mean ? it works great ;) | 07:35 |
| _tonio | not as much configuration optios that with xine of course shince the integration is very new but that's okay Riddell ;) | 07:35 |
| _tonio | just one thing, it was completly crashing when I updated to breezy | 07:36 |
| _tonio | I had to create a new profile and then it was okay | 07:37 |
| Riddell | hmm, bit like amarok | 07:48 |
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| apokryphos | Riddell: KPackage in default Breezy install? Interesting to see. Though, it still needs patching, really =) | 09:20 |
| Riddell | apokryphos: it's not | 09:20 |
| apokryphos | was casually ignored when I mentioned that in ubuntu-bugs ;-), and Malone wouldn't let me report a bug on it for some reason | 09:20 |
| Riddell | apokryphos: did you do a dist-upgrade? | 09:21 |
| apokryphos | ok, just currently? It's needed that sudo patch for ages though :P | 09:21 |
| apokryphos | yup | 09:21 |
| apokryphos | (on another Computer, with a plain default Hoary install) | 09:21 |
| Riddell | I wonder why people pick up on kpackage | 09:22 |
| Riddell | apokryphos: is there a patch available? | 09:22 |
| apokryphos | I don't like it that much (it's my favourite when I venture into GUI though; I think it *could* be good) | 09:23 |
| apokryphos | I doubt there is; not many distros default with sudo 8) | 09:23 |
| apokryphos | Do you know what I'm referring to, btw? Raised some time ago, as I recall. It's currently made to look/ask for the root pass | 09:24 |
| Riddell | yes | 09:26 |
| Riddell | but it's not a priority | 09:26 |
| Riddell | kiosk is more of a priority | 09:27 |
| apokryphos | ok | 09:27 |
| Riddell | but all patches accepted of course | 09:29 |
| apokryphos | when I learn to code I'll be sure to ;-) (sorry) | 09:30 |
| \sh | Riddell: again rebuild of python-qt3? | 10:13 |
| Riddell | \sh: kde-guidance/libpythonize wasn't working, a rebuild fixed it | 10:15 |
| \sh | Riddell: ok..u think we need to rebuild python-kde3 as well? | 10:15 |
| Riddell | \sh: hopefully not, it was just a small error in py.so (userconfig worked fine but kcmshell userconfig didn't so libpythonize doing strange things) | 10:17 |
| Riddell | but do test it out please :) | 10:17 |
| \sh | Riddell: yeah...because this sip stuff is quite nasty sometimes...and upstream is not really well documenting all the changes and the connections between sip4-qt3 and sip4-kde :( | 10:18 |
| Riddell | yeah | 10:19 |
| Riddell | we should all use ruby, at least that's well maintained in KDE :) | 10:19 |
| \sh | hehe | 10:19 |
| \sh | but python is too nice...but reading the missing changelogs of pyqt...grmpf | 10:19 |
| JRe | \sh: is it possible to use kconfigxt and ui files with pykde ? | 10:26 |
| \sh | yes | 10:27 |
| \sh | in our version its possible | 10:27 |
| \sh | not in upstream version...at least when I checked out new versions of them | 10:27 |
| JRe | \sh: :) :) | 10:27 |
| \sh | JRe: upstream never applied existing patches for this problem since 2004 | 10:27 |
| JRe | \sh: mmm anoying it's very usefull to have kconfigxt | 10:28 |
| \sh | yes...and it's quite nice in python as well... | 10:28 |
| JRe | \sh: have you advanced a little your bittorent client ? | 10:28 |
| \sh | no time...:( | 10:29 |
| \sh | i want but i can't :( | 10:29 |
| JRe | \sh: :( | 10:29 |
| JRe | \sh: is there the sourecode somewhere on the web? | 10:29 |
| \sh | JRe: hmm..yes on berlios | 10:29 |
| _tonio | is it me or automounting of external HDD doesn't work on breezy acually ? | 10:30 |
| _tonio | 2 machines installed and same problem.... | 10:30 |
| JRe | _tonio: you have installed from kubuntu preview ? | 10:30 |
| _tonio | kubuntu preview yes | 10:30 |
| \sh | JRe: http://developer.berlios.de/projects/kpybt/ | 10:31 |
| _tonio | JRe: didn't try from "g"ubuntu" | 10:31 |
| JRe | _tonio: you have the last version of kdebase? | 10:32 |
| _tonio | I think so | 10:32 |
| JRe | \sh: thanks, I'll take a look at it | 10:32 |
| _tonio | kubuntu breezy preview, all up to date | 10:32 |
| JRe | _tonio: manual mounting works ? | 10:32 |
| JRe | _tonio: (just cliking on the icon in media:/ | 10:32 |
| JRe | ) | 10:32 |
| _tonio | even my usb key doesn't work, and that on my 2 machines..... | 10:32 |
| \sh | JRe: i have as well the pyqt code..which is somehow working :) | 10:32 |
| _tonio | done, I can't see anything ;) I have to mount manually | 10:32 |
| JRe | :) | 10:32 |
| _tonio | I was just wondering if anyone else had the same problem ;) | 10:33 |
| JRe | \sh: you use kconfigxt in it ? | 10:33 |
| _tonio | AHHHHHHHHHHHH it works ;) | 10:33 |
| _tonio | but it is SLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOW | 10:34 |
| JRe | _tonio: lol :) | 10:34 |
| \sh | JRe: yeah in kpybt sure | 10:34 |
| _tonio | about 3 minutes for my usb key..... | 10:34 |
| JRe | \sh: what's the current TODO :) ? | 10:34 |
| _tonio | and three more minutes o remove the icon.......; strange | 10:34 |
| \sh | JRe: including BitTorrent...i mean the code is there...I just played with something new... | 10:35 |
| JRe | _tonio: it's a USB1 or 2 device you plugged ? | 10:35 |
| _tonio | usb 1 works | 10:35 |
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| \sh | JRe: e.g. putting gauges into listboxes or listviews :) | 10:35 |
| _tonio | usb2 doesn't seem to be mounted automatically..... but works manually | 10:35 |
| JRe | _tonio: because vfat devices are not synced so they finish writing before unmount | 10:36 |
| JRe | \sh: ok I'll see if I can hack a little :) | 10:36 |
| _tonio | my external usb2 drive doesn't mount, with usb1 or IEEE1294.... | 10:36 |
| _tonio | 1394 | 10:36 |
| \sh | JRe: w8 until tomorrow..i'll send the pyqt code as well..so u know what i mean | 10:36 |
| JRe | \sh: ok! | 10:36 |
| \sh | i just didn't have my other laptop online :) | 10:37 |
| _tonio | and about usb2, is that normal that it doesn't mount at all ? | 10:37 |
| JRe | :) | 10:37 |
| JRe | _tonio: no of course | 10:37 |
| _tonio | ;) | 10:37 |
| _tonio | that's the point, but I don't know i it is a linux or kde problem in fact.... do you know ? | 10:38 |
| \sh | usb2 mounts here niceley...sticks, hdds and cdroms | 10:38 |
| \sh | on gnome as well on kde | 10:38 |
| _tonio | breezy ? | 10:39 |
| \sh | yes | 10:39 |
| \sh | even on kubuntu hoary it was working :) | 10:39 |
| _tonio | cdroms is okay for me, usbkey (usb1) take about 2 minutes to mount, and I assume it is longer with hdd.... ad that's a fresh install. | 10:40 |
| _tonio | I never had problems with hoary | 10:40 |
| JRe | \sh: it's still not possible to open a torrent ? | 10:43 |
| \sh | JRe: i think in my source on my drive is it possible :) as i said, i have a working threaded pyqt version | 10:43 |
| \sh | which is working | 10:43 |
| JRe | ok :) | 10:44 |
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| Tm_T | _tonio: heh, in hoary it takes whole second to mount usb flash :o | 10:47 |
| _tonio | but for me on breezy it doesn't work at all..... strange cause it works apparently fine for other people | 10:48 |
| _tonio | i'm wondering if I have a problem on my exernal HDD structure..... | 10:48 |
| Riddell | _tonio: what doesn't work? | 10:49 |
| _tonio | my external HDD doesn't mount, I have to perform that automatically... | 10:49 |
| _tonio | It was working before breezy | 10:49 |
| Riddell | _tonio: does it get picked up in media:/ ? | 10:50 |
| _tonio | no | 10:50 |
| Tm_T | you mean manually? | 10:50 |
| Riddell | _tonio: does it work in ubuntu? | 10:50 |
| _tonio | nothing ;), but don't mind, it is certainly a local problem cause it seems to work people | 10:50 |
| _tonio | ah on ubuntu, I don't know, I don't install ubuntu (I really dislike gnome) | 10:50 |
| Riddell | _tonio: has anyone else tested it with a USB hard disk? | 10:50 |
| Riddell | _tonio: if you could test it on ubuntu that would be useful | 10:51 |
| _tonio | \sh and according to him it is okay, so I assume it is a local problem.... | 10:51 |
| Riddell | Ubuntu: a useful testing environment for Kubuntu | 10:51 |
| _tonio | I will repartition my hdd and let you know :) | 10:51 |
| Tm_T | Riddell: =) | 10:51 |
| Riddell | _tonio: no need to repartition, just apt-get install ubuntu-desktop | 10:51 |
| _tonio | Riddell: yes, but Gnome: I really pain in my ass ^^^^ | 10:51 |
| \sh | Riddell: no i had kubuntu iso installed :) | 10:52 |
| _tonio | no I mean repartition my external HDD ;) first partition is SDA5 while it has only one partition, that's not normal ;) | 10:52 |
| \sh | Riddell: right now in our company there r 6 ubuntu and 2 kubuntu users ;) | 10:52 |
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| \sh | _tonio: ?? | 10:52 |
| _tonio | I can't understand how people apreciate gnome, really.... | 10:53 |
| JRe | _tonio: it has some good features | 10:53 |
| _tonio | it is ugly, limited, beuarkkkkkkkkkkk ;) -> troll of the day | 10:53 |
| Riddell | _tonio: does it get picked up by lshal? | 10:53 |
| JRe | _tonio: enlightment is nice, too | 10:53 |
| _tonio | I now, but I can't, sorry ;) and I've tried :) | 10:53 |
| _tonio | I like enlightment ! | 10:53 |
| _tonio | ishal ? I don't know ;) what is it ? | 10:54 |
| Riddell | console program to output hal's view of the computer | 10:54 |
| Riddell | lshal, with an L | 10:54 |
| _tonio | Riddell: yes it picks up | 10:57 |
| _tonio | but I start undersanding my problem, kde wants to mount the partition with sda1 while the partition is SDA5 | 10:57 |
| _tonio | it is a logical partition and no promary on the hdd... | 10:58 |
| _tonio | and nothing appears in media:/ | 10:58 |
| _tonio | Riddell: I have something with dmesg, maybe that could interested you | 10:59 |
| \sh | _tonio: where is your first partition? | 10:59 |
| _tonio | there is no "first" partition | 11:00 |
| \sh | i have sda1 and sda2 (two primary ones) and one of them is ntfs which isn't mounted at all... | 11:00 |
| \sh | but the second is reiserfs and it's mounted as sda2 | 11:00 |
| _tonio | no primary partition on that disk (it was partitionned by Windows xp you now lol | 11:00 |
| _tonio | do you have primary or logical partitions ? | 11:00 |
| _tonio | \sh: okay excuse me primary, so logicall coming on the 5 is "normal" no ? | 11:01 |
| _tonio | [4295395.845000] Attached scsi disk sda at scsi3, channel 0, id 0, lun 0 | 11:02 |
| _tonio | [4295395.847000] usb-storage: device scan complete | 11:02 |
| _tonio | [4295456.871000] ide-cd: cmd 0x1e timed out | 11:02 |
| _tonio | [4295456.871000] hdb: lost interrupt | 11:02 |
| _tonio | that's apparently the problem..... | 11:02 |
| \sh | _tonio: 5 is normally logical..it means u have somewhere an extended | 11:02 |
| \sh | _tonio: i hope your extended is not the first one :) | 11:02 |
| _tonio | \sh: yes that is normal ;) | 11:03 |
| _tonio | but what is this message "lost interrupt" ? | 11:03 |
| \sh | but hdb | 11:03 |
| \sh | all usb storages have sdX | 11:03 |
| _tonio | I know that | 11:03 |
| _tonio | but why hdb ? | 11:04 |
| _tonio | I will format and retry with a primary partition and compare, maybe the problem is just the automatic mounting of logical...... | 11:07 |
| _tonio | it was worlking a few days ago, and then on my three machines the problem is the same.... | 11:07 |
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| allee | Riddell: big mess: c2 versus "" of libkexif and libkipi in debian kubuntu | 11:46 |
| allee | I've ported the debs of not yet annnouced tarballs | 11:46 |
| allee | http://svn.debian.org/wsvn/pkg-kde/kde-extras/libkexif/branches/kubuntu/?rev=0&sc=0 | 11:46 |
| allee | questions: how is this handled in the future? Will ubuntu backport the *c2 pkgs from debian automaticly? | 11:48 |
| allee | If the 'c2' strip pkgs should go into kubuntu. how to proceed? (libkexif0 is main, libkexif1 is universe) | 11:49 |
| allee | libkipi0 is main that is | 11:50 |
| Riddell | allee: both kipi and kexif depend on qt, there's no need to change anything | 11:57 |
| allee | Riddell: digikam, gwenview (main), showimg and kimdaba depend on libkipi :( | 12:00 |
| allee | Little mini trans | 12:00 |
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| Riddell | allee: and they all depend on qt, no need to change anything | 12:01 |
| allee | to change? you mean the 'c2' in debian? Yes this was unnecessarily introduced :( | 12:01 |
| allee | I removed 'c2' from libkipi0, when apt-get wanted to remove gwenview, digikam, etc | 12:02 |
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