[03:47] <apokryphos> hm, how come the Kubuntu ISOs have GTK and gnome language packs?
[09:16] <verwilst> goodmorning!
[09:42] <verwilst> ok, the kdm splash doesn't look so bad as i first thought it did
[09:47] <verwilst> it has my seal of approval :p
[09:48] <verwilst> btw i don't have the time today to make deb's, but compiling em is no prob
[09:49] <verwilst> so if somebody has the the new orig and stuffs, feel free to send em to me and i'll debuild them :)
[09:49] <verwilst> if i do find the time, i'll create some deb's too
[02:14] <Tm_T> hahahoo
[02:14] <Tm_T> good names for ubuntu releases =)
[02:14] <Tm_T> 15:13 < Humanoid> Ubuntu 6.05 - Merry Mushroom ..hrr
[02:14] <Tm_T> (badger?)
[06:07] <dato> \sh_away: if you really uploaded amarok 1.3.1 to breezy, note that it comes without alsasink support, which may or may not be what you want.
[06:08] <dato> (mentioning because I thought kubuntu used gstreamer/alsa by default)
[06:09] <\sh> what?
[06:09] <\sh> amarok?
[06:09] <dato> yes, bicbw.
[06:10] <\sh> gstreamer/alsa is not in 1.3.1 anymore...they removed it, cause it caused problems..
[06:10] <\sh> please read upstream changelog
[06:10] <\sh> gstreamer/alsa is back in latest svn..i don't know if they are building it in again
[06:11] <Riddell> \sh: data knows :)  that's what he's trying to tell you
[06:11] <Riddell> \sh: dato pacakges amarok for debian
[06:11] <Riddell> s/data/dato/
[06:11] <\sh> uh...
[06:11] <\sh> sry
[06:12] <\sh> I'm just a bit p*ssed, cause all the people wanted to see amarok 1.3.x in ubuntu..now they have it, and are complaining 
[06:12] <Riddell> \sh: what complaints have you been getting?
[06:12] <\sh> sabdfl owes me a beer because of this
[06:13] <dato> basically, what I'm trying to say is that breeze will ship without alsasink being available for amarok, and with autosink and gconfsink making it crash (if I read bug traffic correctly). which, is alsasink is used by many people, is bad.
[06:13] <\sh> riddell: audiocdslave not installed or not depending, no khelpcenter depends, mem leaks...all things i don't understand
[06:13] <dato> \sh: oh, out of curiosity, sabdfl asked for amarok 1.3.1 in breezy?
[06:13] <\sh> he read the MLs and asked why we don't have it..so I said to him, ok test it, and i packaged it...so he tested it, said, ok upload...and mdz agreed
[06:14] <\sh> without this, we wouldn't have 1.3.1
[06:14] <dato> I see
[06:14] <dato> well, just wanted to point out the bit above
[06:14] <\sh> dato: well...xine engine works quite nicley...gstreamer works with audiocds (if you have audiocd slave installed ;)) so it's ok with me
[06:15] <\sh> dato: the rest will come with dapper
[06:17] <dato> ok
[06:17] <\sh> but...
[06:17] <dato> I was also a bit curious why an unoffcial version was imported into ubuntu when higher versions where in the archive, but it's not important. just curious, as I said.
[06:17] <\sh> while u r here ;) can u have a look on a special bug i closed today..
[06:17] <dato> which bug?
[06:18] <\sh> dato: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=15617
[06:18] <\sh> i mean that amarok is not easy on memory, everybody should know..but I don't see the memleak they're talking about
[06:20] <Riddell> dato: which unofficial version was imported into ubuntu?
[06:20] <\sh> 1.3.1 is official right?
[06:20] <dato> Riddell: uh, sorry if I alarmed you. by unofficial I meant from my people.d.o directory
[06:21] <\sh> dato: u mean the debian/* stuff?
[06:21] <dato> yep
[06:21] <\sh> hmmm..riddell pointed me to your svn :)
[06:21] <\sh> blame him :)
[06:22] <\sh> runs even
[06:22] <Riddell> ah, 1.3.0-0precxxabi1 when 1.3.1 is in debian.  that'll be my fault
[06:22] <\sh> anyways...doesn't matter right now
[06:22] <dato> Riddell: yeah, that.
[06:22] <dato> ok, won't take more time from you, I was just curious.
[06:23] <\sh> dato: i think we will sync it during the next release cycle
[06:23] <dato> sure
[06:23] <Riddell> there's a tradition of screwing up the amarok packaging in ubuntu, look at that epoch :)
[06:23] <\sh> oh crap yes..we can't sync it...we have to merge it by hand..damn
[06:24] <dato> heh, I see
[06:25] <\sh> only 15 mins from me
[06:35] <_tonio> Hi everyone
[06:35] <_tonio> Riddell: you asked for bugs on knetworkconf, I inform you incase you still don't know that switching to administrator mode still doesn't work
[06:37] <Riddell> _tonio: same old problem, hopefully I'll get a ch
[06:37] <Riddell> chance to look at it this week
[06:38] <Riddell> s/hopefully/damn well better/
[06:39] <_tonio> Riddell: and concerning the default route and subnet bugs . did you manage to find the solution ?
[06:40] <Riddell> _tonio: I havn't looked at them, could you report to bugzilla
[06:43] <_tonio> done 20times :)
[06:44] <_tonio> it seems to be a problem wil many debian based distros like mepis or xandros
[06:44] <_tonio> Riddell: ArkLinux I think have done a patch, mayvbe you could put it I don't know ;)
[06:44] <Riddell> arklinux is redhat based
[06:45] <Riddell> so probably wouldn't work
[06:45] <\sh> arklinux is bero
[06:45] <\sh> isn't it?
[06:46] <Riddell> yes
[06:47] <Riddell> I don't hear much from him/arklinux
[06:47] <\sh> i worked together with bero when he was still at redhat...and me too :)
[06:48] <\sh> hehe...was quite fun, seeing him working on kde on the linux console :)
[06:48] <Riddell> \sh: you worked at red hat?
[06:49] <\sh> yes...2001 redhat europe...web marketing and engineering for Redhat EMEA
[06:49] <_tonio> Riddell: maube it is not ark..... I have found a working deb with modifications, let me check one second
[06:53] <_tonio> Riddell: ASLinux have done a a patch apparently
[06:53] <_tonio> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=39098
[06:53] <_tonio> and a correct deb is available
[06:54] <_tonio> maybe that could be applyed to yours i don't know
[06:54] <_tonio> ;)
[06:56] <Riddell> _tonio: can you try it out to confirm it fixes it?
[06:57] <_tonio> I can
[06:57] <_tonio> let me 10 minutes
[06:58] <Riddell> you may have to recompile
[06:58] <_tonio> yep
[06:58] <_tonio> what would be interesting is to extract the patch and applied to your maybe
[06:58] <_tonio> I will first recompile and let you know ;)
[06:58] <Riddell> knetworkconf in kubuntu is already patched to hell
[06:59] <Riddell> with a branch patch
[06:59] <_tonio> lol okay ;) that app does seem to be very buggy, I can't understand it hasn't been done before by the kde team...... configuring the network is a must have in my view !
[07:00] <Riddell> most distros have their own tools
[07:05] <apokryphos> Riddell: btw, I forgot to mention, it _is_ the same patch as the one I linked to (for rubberband). Annoying; they have it so smooth!
[07:06] <_tonio> hum designed to work on kde 3.3 ->not sure it will work there.... and I don't find the source package
[07:06] <_tonio> sh**t
[07:06] <Riddell> apokryphos: actually I'm surprised at the lack of complaints I've had about rubberband
[07:06] <_tonio> isn't there another tool that could act as a replacement for knetworkconf ?
[07:06] <Riddell> _tonio: not that I know of
[07:07] <_tonio> damn ;)
[07:07] <_tonio> Riddell: i imagine you would get hapy to find that out ;)
[07:07] <apokryphos> Riddell: It's reasonably perfect for smaller selections (and faster on the desktop), but cripples for bigger ones. Mind you, I'd still personally have it (as it is) of course
[07:29] <_tonio> Riddell: unable to find the sources for that package..... I may send a PM to the poster asking him for the diff extraction and let you know ;) We just can hope that it'll be fixed with kde 3.5 since kdenetworkconf will be part of it...
[07:30] <Riddell> knetworkconf get very little review in kdereview, I wish I'd had time for a clo
[07:30] <Riddell> closer look
[07:32] <_tonio> Riddell: i just know that kdenetworkconf is the only this that sounds crappy in my breezy installation, the rest is like a charm ;)
[07:34] <Riddell> _tonio: how is kaffeine?
[07:35] <_tonio> fine to me
[07:35] <_tonio> with gstreamer you mean ? it works great ;)
[07:35] <_tonio> not as much configuration optios that with xine of course shince the integration is very new but that's okay Riddell  ;)
[07:36] <_tonio> just one thing, it was completly crashing when I updated to breezy
[07:37] <_tonio> I had to create a new profile and then it was okay
[07:48] <Riddell> hmm, bit like amarok
[09:20] <apokryphos> Riddell: KPackage in default Breezy install? Interesting to see. Though, it still needs patching, really =)
[09:20] <Riddell> apokryphos: it's not
[09:20] <apokryphos> was casually ignored when I mentioned that in ubuntu-bugs ;-), and Malone wouldn't let me report a bug on it for some reason
[09:21] <Riddell> apokryphos: did you do a dist-upgrade?
[09:21] <apokryphos> ok, just currently? It's needed that sudo patch for ages though :P
[09:21] <apokryphos> yup
[09:21] <apokryphos> (on another Computer, with a plain default Hoary install)
[09:22] <Riddell> I wonder why people pick up on kpackage
[09:22] <Riddell> apokryphos: is there a patch available?
[09:23] <apokryphos> I don't like it that much (it's my favourite when I venture into GUI though; I think it *could* be good)
[09:23] <apokryphos> I doubt there is; not many distros default with sudo 8)
[09:24] <apokryphos> Do you know what I'm referring to, btw? Raised some time ago, as I recall. It's currently made to look/ask for the root pass
[09:26] <Riddell> yes
[09:26] <Riddell> but it's not a priority 
[09:27] <Riddell> kiosk is more of a priority
[09:27] <apokryphos> ok
[09:29] <Riddell> but all patches accepted of course
[09:30] <apokryphos> when I learn to code I'll be sure to ;-) (sorry)
[10:13] <\sh> Riddell: again rebuild of python-qt3?
[10:15] <Riddell> \sh: kde-guidance/libpythonize wasn't working, a rebuild fixed it
[10:15] <\sh> Riddell: ok..u think we need to rebuild python-kde3 as well?
[10:17] <Riddell> \sh: hopefully not, it was just a small error in py.so (userconfig worked fine but kcmshell userconfig didn't so libpythonize doing strange things)
[10:17] <Riddell> but do test it out please :)
[10:18] <\sh> Riddell: yeah...because this sip stuff is quite nasty sometimes...and upstream is not really well documenting all the changes and the connections between sip4-qt3 and sip4-kde :(
[10:19] <Riddell> yeah
[10:19] <Riddell> we should all use ruby, at least that's well maintained in KDE :)
[10:19] <\sh> hehe
[10:19] <\sh> but python is too nice...but reading the missing changelogs of pyqt...grmpf
[10:26] <JRe> \sh: is it possible to use kconfigxt and ui files with pykde ?
[10:27] <\sh> yes
[10:27] <\sh> in our version its possible
[10:27] <\sh> not in upstream version...at least when I checked out new versions of them
[10:27] <JRe> \sh: :) :)
[10:27] <\sh> JRe: upstream never applied existing patches for this problem since 2004
[10:28] <JRe> \sh: mmm anoying it's very usefull to have kconfigxt
[10:28] <\sh> yes...and it's quite nice in python as well...
[10:28] <JRe> \sh: have you advanced a little your bittorent client ?
[10:29] <\sh> no time...:(
[10:29] <\sh> i want but i can't :(
[10:29] <JRe> \sh: :(
[10:29] <JRe> \sh: is there the sourecode somewhere on the web?
[10:29] <\sh> JRe: hmm..yes on berlios
[10:30] <_tonio> is it me or automounting of external HDD doesn't work on breezy acually ?
[10:30] <_tonio> 2 machines installed and same problem....
[10:30] <JRe> _tonio: you have installed from kubuntu preview ?
[10:30] <_tonio> kubuntu preview yes
[10:31] <\sh> JRe: http://developer.berlios.de/projects/kpybt/
[10:31] <_tonio> JRe: didn't try from "g"ubuntu"
[10:32] <JRe> _tonio: you have the last version of kdebase?
[10:32] <_tonio> I think so
[10:32] <JRe> \sh: thanks, I'll take a look at it
[10:32] <_tonio> kubuntu breezy preview, all up to date
[10:32] <JRe> _tonio: manual mounting works ?
[10:32] <JRe> _tonio: (just cliking on the icon in media:/
[10:32] <JRe> )
[10:32] <_tonio> even my usb key doesn't work, and that on my 2 machines.....
[10:32] <\sh> JRe: i have as well the pyqt code..which is somehow working :)
[10:32] <_tonio> done, I can't see anything ;) I have to mount manually
[10:32] <JRe> :)
[10:33] <_tonio> I was just wondering if anyone else had the same problem ;)
[10:33] <JRe> \sh: you use kconfigxt in it ?
[10:33] <_tonio> AHHHHHHHHHHHH it works ;)
[10:34] <_tonio> but it is SLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOW
[10:34] <JRe> _tonio: lol :)
[10:34] <\sh> JRe: yeah in kpybt sure
[10:34] <_tonio> about 3 minutes for my usb key.....
[10:34] <JRe> \sh: what's the current TODO :) ?
[10:34] <_tonio> and three more minutes o remove the icon.......; strange
[10:35] <\sh> JRe: including BitTorrent...i mean the code is there...I just played with something new...
[10:35] <JRe> _tonio: it's a USB1 or 2 device you plugged ?
[10:35] <_tonio> usb 1 works
[10:35] <\sh> JRe: e.g. putting gauges into listboxes or listviews :)
[10:35] <_tonio> usb2 doesn't seem to be mounted automatically..... but works manually
[10:36] <JRe> _tonio: because vfat devices are not synced so they finish writing before unmount
[10:36] <JRe> \sh: ok I'll see if I can hack a little :)
[10:36] <_tonio> my external usb2 drive doesn't mount, with usb1 or IEEE1294....
[10:36] <_tonio> 1394
[10:36] <\sh> JRe: w8 until tomorrow..i'll send the pyqt code as well..so u know what i mean
[10:36] <JRe> \sh: ok!
[10:37] <\sh> i just didn't have my other laptop online :)
[10:37] <_tonio> and about usb2, is that normal that it doesn't mount at all ?
[10:37] <JRe> :)
[10:37] <JRe> _tonio: no of course
[10:37] <_tonio> ;)
[10:38] <_tonio> that's the point, but I don't know i it is a linux or kde problem in fact.... do you know ?
[10:38] <\sh> usb2 mounts here niceley...sticks, hdds and cdroms
[10:38] <\sh> on gnome as well on kde
[10:39] <_tonio> breezy ?
[10:39] <\sh> yes
[10:39] <\sh> even on kubuntu hoary it was working :)
[10:40] <_tonio> cdroms is okay for me, usbkey (usb1) take about 2 minutes to mount, and I assume it is longer with hdd.... ad that's a fresh install.
[10:40] <_tonio> I never had problems with hoary
[10:43] <JRe> \sh: it's still not possible to open a torrent ?
[10:43] <\sh> JRe: i think in my source on my drive is it possible :) as i said, i have a working threaded pyqt version
[10:43] <\sh> which is working
[10:44] <JRe> ok :)
[10:47] <Tm_T> _tonio: heh, in hoary it takes whole second to mount usb flash :o
[10:48] <_tonio> but for me on breezy it doesn't work at all..... strange cause it works apparently fine for other people
[10:48] <_tonio> i'm wondering if I have a problem on my exernal HDD structure.....
[10:49] <Riddell> _tonio: what doesn't work?
[10:49] <_tonio> my external HDD doesn't mount, I have to perform that automatically...
[10:49] <_tonio> It was working before breezy
[10:50] <Riddell> _tonio: does it get picked up in media:/  ?
[10:50] <_tonio> no
[10:50] <Tm_T> you mean manually?
[10:50] <Riddell> _tonio: does it work in ubuntu?
[10:50] <_tonio> nothing ;), but don't mind, it is certainly a local problem cause it seems to work people
[10:50] <_tonio> ah on ubuntu, I don't know, I don't install ubuntu (I really dislike gnome)
[10:50] <Riddell> _tonio: has anyone else tested it with a USB hard disk?
[10:51] <Riddell> _tonio: if you could test it on ubuntu that would be useful
[10:51] <_tonio> \sh and according to him it is okay, so I assume it is a local problem....
[10:51] <Riddell> Ubuntu: a useful testing environment for Kubuntu
[10:51] <_tonio> I will repartition my hdd and let you know :)
[10:51] <Tm_T> Riddell: =)
[10:51] <Riddell> _tonio: no need to repartition, just apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[10:51] <_tonio> Riddell: yes, but Gnome: I really pain in my ass ^^^^
[10:52] <\sh> Riddell: no i had kubuntu iso installed :)
[10:52] <_tonio> no I mean repartition my external HDD ;) first partition is SDA5 while it has only one partition, that's not normal ;)
[10:52] <\sh> Riddell: right now in our company there r 6 ubuntu and 2 kubuntu users ;)
[10:52] <\sh> _tonio: ??
[10:53] <_tonio> I can't understand how people apreciate gnome, really....
[10:53] <JRe> _tonio: it has some good features
[10:53] <_tonio> it is ugly, limited, beuarkkkkkkkkkkk ;) -> troll of the day
[10:53] <Riddell> _tonio: does it get picked up by lshal?
[10:53] <JRe> _tonio: enlightment is nice, too
[10:53] <_tonio> I now, but I can't, sorry ;) and I've tried :)
[10:53] <_tonio> I like enlightment !
[10:54] <_tonio> ishal ? I don't know ;) what is it ?
[10:54] <Riddell> console program to output hal's view of the computer
[10:54] <Riddell> lshal, with an L
[10:57] <_tonio> Riddell:  yes it picks up
[10:57] <_tonio> but I start undersanding my problem, kde wants to mount the partition with sda1 while the partition is SDA5
[10:58] <_tonio> it is a logical partition and no promary on the hdd...
[10:58] <_tonio> and nothing appears in media:/
[10:59] <_tonio> Riddell: I have something with dmesg, maybe that could interested you
[10:59] <\sh> _tonio: where is your first partition?
[11:00] <_tonio> there is no "first" partition
[11:00] <\sh> i have sda1 and sda2 (two primary ones) and one of them is ntfs which isn't mounted at all...
[11:00] <\sh> but the second is reiserfs and it's mounted as sda2
[11:00] <_tonio> no primary partition on that disk (it was partitionned by Windows xp you now lol
[11:00] <_tonio> do you have primary or logical partitions ?
[11:01] <_tonio> \sh: okay excuse me primary, so logicall coming on the 5 is "normal" no ?
[11:02] <_tonio> [4295395.845000]  Attached scsi disk sda at scsi3, channel 0, id 0, lun 0
[11:02] <_tonio> [4295395.847000]  usb-storage: device scan complete
[11:02] <_tonio> [4295456.871000]  ide-cd: cmd 0x1e timed out
[11:02] <_tonio> [4295456.871000]  hdb: lost interrupt
[11:02] <_tonio> that's apparently the problem.....
[11:02] <\sh> _tonio: 5 is normally logical..it means u have somewhere an extended
[11:02] <\sh> _tonio: i hope your extended is not the first one :)
[11:03] <_tonio> \sh: yes that is normal ;)
[11:03] <_tonio> but what is this message "lost interrupt" ?
[11:03] <\sh> but hdb
[11:03] <\sh> all usb storages have sdX
[11:03] <_tonio> I know that
[11:04] <_tonio> but why hdb ?
[11:07] <_tonio> I will format and retry with a primary partition and compare, maybe the problem is just the automatic mounting of logical......
[11:07] <_tonio> it was worlking a few days ago, and then on my three machines the problem is the same....
[11:46] <allee> Riddell: big mess: c2 versus "" of libkexif and libkipi in debian kubuntu 
[11:46] <allee> I've ported the debs of not yet annnouced tarballs
[11:46] <allee> http://svn.debian.org/wsvn/pkg-kde/kde-extras/libkexif/branches/kubuntu/?rev=0&sc=0
[11:48] <allee> questions: how is this handled in the future? Will ubuntu backport the *c2 pkgs from debian automaticly?
[11:49] <allee> If the 'c2' strip pkgs should go into kubuntu. how to proceed? (libkexif0 is main, libkexif1 is universe)
[11:50] <allee> libkipi0 is main that is
[11:57] <Riddell> allee: both kipi and kexif depend on qt, there's no need to change anything
[12:00] <allee> Riddell: digikam, gwenview (main), showimg and kimdaba depend on libkipi :(
[12:00] <allee> Little mini trans
[12:01] <Riddell> allee: and they all depend on qt, no need to change anything
[12:01] <allee> to change?  you mean the 'c2' in debian?  Yes this was unnecessarily introduced :(
[12:02] <allee> I removed 'c2' from libkipi0, when apt-get wanted to remove gwenview, digikam, etc