[12:02] <HydroYarrGen> I'm sure also
[12:02] <HydroYarrGen> but it is nice
[12:02] <nxv_> if u search for a package and install the packages with lib and dev in it's name u mostly have all u need
[12:03] <Aapzak> I use Gentoo and I wonder if the fact that almost every build Gentoo system might be different is seen as a major drawback
[12:03] <nxv_> afaik if u installe one dev package all dev packages needed for this one will install too
[12:03] <Aapzak> true ... true
[12:04] <Aapzak> Aren't KDE and Suse both German?
[12:04] <nxv_> suse is german
[12:04] <nxv_> and bought by novel quite a time ago
[12:04] <aseigo> Aapzak: no
[12:05] <aseigo> Aapzak: kde started in germany but there are a lot of non-Germans involved. most, in fact
[12:05] <aseigo> Aapzak: SUSE is a german company, though. owned by the american company novell these days now
[12:06] <Aapzak> so they're both not really german anymore :)
[12:06] <nxv_> playing its part in united linux
[12:06] <nxv_> suse is still a german distributor
[12:06] <Aapzak> but owned by an American company
[12:07] <Aapzak> hmmz, maybe I should let it go :)
[12:09] <nxv_> what?
[12:09] <Aapzak> the question why so many KDE developers like Suse so much
[12:09] <nxv_> donno 
[12:09] <Aapzak> and my question ... is there one distro which is most suitable for development
[12:10] <nxv_> cant see any benefit for any linux distribution when developing kde
[12:10] <nxv_> Aapzak: i would suggest kubuntu, ubuntu, as a lot works out of the box
[12:10] <Aapzak> well, I can see drawbacks for certain systems
[12:10] <nxv_> u don't have to spend a lot of time configuring the system if u just want to code
[12:11] <Aapzak> true
[12:11] <HydroYarrGen> but, coders usually end up tweaking their system, and editors, and all that, till its just right for them
[12:11] <nxv_> and as it is debian based it is close to standard and u have a large packagedirectory and most of help in the inet works with ur distri
[12:11] <_blake> Ok, I have been trying to get my kubuntu machine to play dvd's but am having different problems using different players...  okle shuts down when i click 'open disc'  any suggestions?
[12:11] <Aapzak> I like Debian over (k)ubuntu
[12:12] <_blake> is anyone succesfully playing dvds on their kubuntu or ubuntu machine with a different app.?
[12:12] <nxv_> suse imo is closer to windows, as more is hidden from the user and tweaking is no fun as suse has its own way of configs
[12:12] <nxv_> my experience about 3 years from now
[12:12] <nxv_> gentoo has the bigest source tree but spending so much time on compiling made me come back to debian
[12:13] <nxv_> and so try kubuntu
[12:13] <nxv_> just my experience if it might help u
[12:13] <Aapzak> I use Gentoo
[12:13] <Aapzak> I love it
[12:13] <Aapzak> :)
[12:13] <nxv_> i bought an centrino to hear no more of my pc
[12:13] <nxv_> but gentoo compiling :)
[12:13] <nxv_> ...
[12:13] <Aapzak> but ... the system changes day by day, I can't believe thats a good developement environment
[12:14] <Aapzak> the tools are great though
[12:14] <nxv_> i bet on kubuntu now as i don't believe debian will have shorter realesetimes
[12:14] <nxv_> and i don't want to consider my self with stepping between unstable and stable
[12:14] <Aapzak> they tweaked too much I think
[12:14] <nxv_> a realese every 6 month is fine for me
[12:14] <Aapzak> it is
[12:15] <Aapzak> but if you want to play mp3's you'll end up adding other repositories
[12:15] <Aapzak> want this, add that, etcetera
[12:16] <nxv_> an as perhaps many others i tried gentoo for speed benifit
[12:16] <nxv_> an also as many others could feel them in practical use
[12:16] <nxv_> Aapzak: if u just want something to do it is all there
[12:16] <nxv_> of course if u want ur beloving up, might be u need to add an repositories
[12:17] <Aapzak> yeah
[12:17] <nxv_> but afaik gentoo has the bigest source tree but other distributions apart from debian base have a even smaller package tree
[12:17] <Aapzak> well, I like Debian-based distros, but love Debian and Gentoo :)
[12:17] <nxv_> so why du u want to change to another linux system?
[12:17] <Aapzak> I don't
[12:18] <nxv_> ok
[12:18] <Aapzak> I want to understand the need for a stable which does not change that often
[12:18] <nxv_> which do u mean? ubuntu or debian?
[12:18] <Aapzak> both
[12:18] <Aapzak> or suse
[12:19] <trodrigues> is 2gb enough to install kubuntu? i have a breezy preview cd
[12:19] <AndyFitz> hey guys, when are you going to use the ubuntu-title font for the kubuntu logo ?  </pimp>
[12:19] <nxv_> Aapzak: i would say ubuntu has the approach to take thoughts from the user
[12:19] <nxv_> and select packages for them
[12:20] <Aapzak> nxv_: at work I run in all sorts of incompatibility trouble, mostly bash and perl stuff, but it made me think
[12:20] <nxv_> debian wants to be more stable and has that reason for waiting soo long with releases
[12:20] <nxv_> and another thought would be
[12:20] <Aapzak> yeah, today it's allright, but how many years till the next release :)
[12:20] <nxv_> debian is too old an big
[12:21] <nxv_> people aren't as flexible as a young project
[12:21] <Aapzak> ow, don;t get me started
[12:21] <Aapzak> Debian people ....
[12:21] <nxv_> i already heard i lot of people switching from gentoo to archlinux because the developer didn't take care of there wishes
[12:22] <nxv_> what incompatibility do u suffer from? between which systems?
[12:22] <Aapzak> Solaris, Debian, Gentoo
[12:22] <nxv_> solaris i am not very used to
[12:23] <Aapzak> it's old :)
[12:23] <nxv_> what are ur problems?
[12:23] <nxv_> where do they occur?
[12:23] <Aapzak> I had trouble getting Perl + Oracle to work under Debian and Solaris
[12:23] <Aapzak> I had trouble getting svn working under Solaris
[12:24] <Aapzak> and Gentoo does not support MCPAN with perl
[12:24] <nxv_> where the problems part of the installation process on a platform or in interoperability?
[12:24] <Aapzak> install process mostly
[12:24] <nxv_> okay the way of installation ofcourse differes in most distris
[12:24] <Aapzak> partly my mistake too, I'm not a sysadmin
[12:25] <nxv_> and even if gentoo needs a lot of compilation time
[12:25] <nxv_> it has an very easy way to install
[12:25] <Aapzak> it's brilliant
[12:25] <nxv_> are u shure mcpan is realy not supported or just not the default config?
[12:25] <Aapzak> but what I like the most .. the documentation
[12:25] <nxv_> i cant believe it doesn't work
[12:25] <Aapzak> most modules will not install
[12:25] <nxv_> in my experience it didn't make a difference which distri u run
[12:26] <Aapzak> there are ebuilds for them
[12:26] <Aapzak> gentoo is different
[12:26] <nxv_> but u have a lot more work if u want to change the way something is run in a distri by default
[12:26] <Aapzak> true
[12:26] <mike23> do I need to change my sources.list to kubuntu ? I'm running breezy and just completed synaptic kubuntu-desktop install
[12:26] <mike23> sudo aptitude update && sudo aptitude dist-upgrade?
[12:27] <Aapzak> nxv_: thats why I'm looking for something which just works out of the box and is not different from other systems
[12:27] <nxv_> afaik if the installation succeded u don't have to change but i am not firm
[12:27] <mike23> should I run this without doing anything to sources.list?
[12:27] <Aapzak> mike23: what do you want to achieve?
[12:27] <nxv_> mike23: as i could install ubuntu desktop from my kubuntu sources i guess it should work the other way round too
[12:28] <mike23> kubuntu desktop breezy
[12:28] <nxv_> Aapzak: for me this is now kubuntu, i could get all run with an minimal amount of time to setup
[12:29] <Aapzak> whichone is beezy?
[12:29] <nxv_> mike23: i am running horay so u better don't take my notice into account
[12:29] <Aapzak> isn't hoary the current version?
[12:29] <apokryphos> One thing I do love about UNIX: the humour
[12:30] <apokryphos> HydroYarrGen, Aapzak: not sure if you were answered, but it is of course kde-devel
[12:30] <nxv_> but i cant believe they administrate different reproservers for ubuntu and kubuntu
[12:30] <Aapzak> apokryphos: aha!
[12:31] <nxv_> i have ubuntu dirs in my sources list also i have installed from a kubuntu cd
[12:31] <apokryphos> nxv_: eh?
[12:31] <apokryphos> nxv_: Ubuntu/Kubuntu use the same apt archives
[12:31] <Aapzak> kubuntu is installed from ubuntu by installing kubuntu-desktop
[12:32] <nxv_> apokryphos: that was what i thought but wasn't firm enought to tell mike23 with grant
[12:32] <nxv_> is anyone here programming gtk# with mono?
[12:33] <Aapzak> no
[12:33] <Aapzak> I wanna try QT
[12:33] <apokryphos> Aapzak: go for it!
[12:33] <Aapzak> :)
[12:33] <Aapzak> I will
[12:33] <Aapzak> some day
[12:33] <apokryphos> that's what they allll say :D
[12:33] <Aapzak> got kids, work and sports
[12:34] <Aapzak> and Gentoo compiling, no time for dev :)
[12:34] <nxv_> is qt now finaly free for windows too?
[12:34] <apokryphos> Qt4, yeah.
[12:34] <nxv_> i love linux but i want my code to run under all plattforms
[12:34] <Aapzak> java?
[12:34] <apokryphos> kde4 libs are gonna be ported to Windoze
[12:35] <nxv_> no more license cost for qt under windows
[12:35] <Aapzak> yeah
[12:35] <nikkia> nxv, umm, if its a commercial app, there's still a license cost
[12:35] <nxv_> javas gui is not very neat to me
[12:35] <nikkia> heck, if its not a GPL app, there's still a license fee :)
[12:35] <Aapzak> java is funny, no more platform dependent, now its version dependent :)
[12:35] <nxv_> that keeps me from learning qt, as i want a toolkit free every where
[12:35] <HydroYarrGen> Qt is actually fairly nice
[12:36] <apokryphos> nikkia: vi or emacs for you?
[12:36] <HydroYarrGen> well, actually is silly
[12:36] <nikkia> apokryphos: i have emacs sessions that have been running for over 6 months, what do you think ?
[12:36] <nxv_> first i had a short look into wxwidgets but now found glade combined with mono very productive
[12:36] <HydroYarrGen> qt _is_ really nice :)
[12:36] <Aapzak> I was gonna say that
[12:36] <HydroYarrGen> nikkia: _I_ think you still havn't learned the esoteric key combination to save a file :P
[12:36] <nikkia> HydroYarrGen: yeah, i have, its ctrl-x #
[12:37] <Aapzak> :)
[12:37] <Aapzak> gtg now guys and galls
[12:37] <apokryphos> nikkia: I remember you mentioning emacs before, ah yeah.
[12:37] <nxv_> cu Aapzak 
[12:37] <nikkia> a prize to the first person to correctly answer what ctrl-x # does :P
[12:37] <apokryphos> nikkia: according to slashdot, the only commands you need to know are...
[12:37] <Aapzak> gtg get up within a couple of hours
[12:37] <Aapzak> cu !
[12:37] <apokryphos> nikkia: ctrl_x, ctrl-c, vi
[12:38] <nikkia> apokryphos: i fail to see how ctrl-x ctrl-c is any more estoteric than :q! personally
[12:38] <nikkia> (and ctrl-x ctrl-s is one less key movement :)
[12:38] <apokryphos> nikkia: well, slashdot never lies. All other knowledge you have of emacs is superfluous 8)
[12:39] <nxv_> i need more graphical programming environments and don't know how people can work with vi or emacs
[12:39] <nxv_> when i have only rudimentary editing i use vi
[12:39] <apokryphos> nxv_: they're productive if you know how to use them
[12:39] <nikkia> nxv, why on earth would anyone need 'more graphical programming environments' ?
[12:39] <nxv_> but i don't care as every body is lucky with its editor of choice
[12:39] <nikkia> so we can have more VB-like dross in the world?
[12:40] <nxv_> i would even prefere kate over emacs or vi but thats for my own sake
[12:41] <nxv_> and what is so lovely about linux is the freedom for any one to be as close to the command line as he wants
[12:41] <nxv_> and as graphical as he needs
[12:41] <wellso> hi ppl
[12:41] <nxv_> i hate those people telling someoneelse only there way to work is the way things have to be done on the whole planet
[12:42] <apokryphos> nxv_: you're right; just don't use graphical editors.
[12:42] <wellso> when i try to enter admin mode from within the control centre, I get a password prompt but no access to the options i wish to change. is there a reason for this?
[12:42] <nikkia> nxv, yeah, cos F1 to open a file is a great idea, there's a reason why people prefer people stick to 'the way things are done' :)
[12:43] <apokryphos> wellso: a known and annoying bug!
[12:43] <apokryphos> wellso: workaround: alt+f2 -> kdesu kcontrol
[12:43] <wellso> apokryphos: fantastic
[12:44] <wellso> apokryphos: kdesu kcontrol wont summon the panel for me
[12:44] <apokryphos> wellso: sorry?
[12:44] <apokryphos> once that other kcontrol is started up, just go to the part you want
[12:44] <wellso> apokryphos: oh i see, thanks man
[12:45] <wellso> i need to run kcontrol with no priv. then kdesu kcontrol
[12:45] <apokryphos> wellso: only run kdesu kcontrol when you want to alter things with root perms, yes.
[12:45] <apokryphos> for all others it's better to run plain kcontrol
[12:46] <wellso> apokryphos: i hope they sort the bug :)
[12:47] <apokryphos> wellso: it's fixed in Breezy
[12:47] <wellso> apokryphos: what was the projected date for a breezy stable?
[12:47] <wellso> apokryphos: im still in hoary
[12:47] <narg> 05:10 :)
[12:47] <narg> next month
[12:47] <apokryphos> 13th Oct
[12:47] <wellso> cool
[12:48] <wellso> will be a cpl of weeks into uni by then
[12:48] <narg> ...
[12:48] <narg> school hasnt started for you yet?
[12:48] <apokryphos> wellso: nice; what you going for?
[12:48] <narg> lucky :p
[12:48] <apokryphos> narg: Unis start late Sept/early Oct, normally
[12:49] <narg> hrm, not the ones that everyone I know goes to :p
[12:49] <wellso> apokryphos: IT and Media Comms. at Lancaster Uni
[12:49] <narg> maybe its a midwest thing
[12:49] <apokryphos> wellso: cool; good luck at that =)
[12:49] <wellso> apokryphos: thank you
[12:50] <wellso> apokryphos: i need to improve my linux know-how beforehand really, the uni has a big UNIX system
[12:50] <apokryphos> nice
[12:50] <apokryphos> wellso: the best way, as always, is to investigate and be diligent.
[12:50] <narg> wellso: What variant of Unix?
[12:51] <wellso> narg: solaris if I recall corrently
[12:51] <narg> ah
[12:52] <nikkia> wellso, you'll probably find their 'big unix system' turns out to be a pair of IPXs and a couple of dozen Sun3 machines configured as dumb X terminals :P
[12:52] <wellso> nikkia: lol, more than likely
[12:52] <nikkia> wellso, seriously, that's what our 'big unix system' was :P
[12:52] <apokryphos> My Uni warns me they offer no help for OS systems other than Windows, but that they might work on the network :D
[12:52] <wellso> nikkia: where were you based?
[12:53] <nikkia> altho in the second year the IPXs got replaced with a pair of real Sun4's and they added a dozen SPARCstation 2's
[12:53] <nikkia> wellso, teesside
[12:53] <wellso> apokryphos: exactly the same at Lancs
[12:54] <wellso> nikkia: you seem very skilled in UNIX, did Teeside teach you many skills?
[12:54] <nikkia> wellso, a few, most of them not really useful in the real world (unless you want to go to prison :)
[12:55] <nikkia> skills such as 'how to grab the password file because the CS Dept policy is 'no internet access to CS students, they're too dangerous''
[12:56] <wellso> nikkia: lol, thats a bit harsh on the CS guys/gals
[12:56] <nikkia> wellso, thats what we argued
[12:56] <apokryphos> Damn these gentoo users
[12:57] <nikkia> they let the freaking humanities students on the internet, ffs
[12:57] <apokryphos> of all the users not *one* of them can send me a folder they have
[12:57] <nikkia> wellso, as i said, in the end, it boiled down to password cracking lecturer accounts
[12:57] <wellso> lol
[12:58] <wellso> did the admins see the errors of their ways?
[12:58] <nikkia> wellso, no, they fired the admins
[12:58] <nikkia> and hired more competant lackies
[12:59] <nikkia> i think they finally turned around on the policy sometime around '95
[12:59] <wellso> it does seem rather counter-productive
[01:00] <nikkia> wellso, its not even like you could do anything useful without leaving a huge trail of logged activity anyway
[01:00] <nikkia> as we weren't on 'the internet' per se anyway, it was lousy JANet, so you had to CPAD to nsf to get anywhere useful
[01:01] <wellso> lol im lost now
[01:01] <N17R0> Hi can someone tell me how to fix these weird characters in my terminal? http://members.lycos.nl/opslag0004/snapshot8.png
[01:01] <nikkia> wellso, at the time, JANet used its own networking technology, no hostnames, no IP numbers, just 14 digit numeric addresses
[01:01] <wellso> did you have to map them up to the TCP/IP equiv.?
[01:01] <nikkia> wellso, NSF ran a JANet->internet gateway box that connected you to a real hostname-specified-host once you CPAD'ed to its address
[01:02] <nikkia> wellso, no, you memorized the numbers of the handful of sites you used, then used one to access NSF's CPAD interface, which gave you a telnet prompt
[01:02] <wellso> it sounds quite complex
[01:03] <nikkia> and of course, back then, UK addresses were backwards
[01:03] <wellso> lol
[01:03] <nikkia> wellso, email addresses in the UK at the time were of the form user@uk.ac.university.host
[01:04] <narg> which makes more sense btw :)
[01:04] <wellso> lol
[01:04] <narg> One could think you'd start with the most general, and go down from there
[01:04] <nikkia> narg, not from a point of view of implementing hostname lookup, it doesn't
[01:05] <narg> true
[01:05] <wellso> i bet networking was quite daunting back then
[01:05] <nikkia> wellso, 10base2 :)
[01:06] <nikkia> if you had money to burn, 10base5
[01:06] <wellso> lol
[01:07] <nikkia> god, i just had a flashback of hunting in a warehouse for the company's last remaining AUI<>10base2 transceiver from when i was working in california
[01:07] <wellso> nikkia: did ya find it?
[01:07] <nikkia> wellso, yeah, it was in a cardboard box among other assorted sun crap
[01:08] <wellso> im gonna shoot, gotta be up for work in the morning :(
[01:08] <nikkia> (audio adapters, and such that noone used, because even then 8KHz mono audio wasn't worth anything :)
[01:08] <wellso> thanks for all the help
[01:08] <wellso> lol
[01:09] <nikkia> another of sun's great concepts that, put lousy audio on workstation, then sell box to convert your own proprietary connector to normal audio connectors for around $80
[01:10] <wellso> thats the sun way
[01:10] <nikkia> (and yes, that's why /dev/dsp defaults to 8Khz mono, 8 bit :)
[01:11] <wellso> seeya every1
[01:11] <nikkia> night wellso
[01:11] <wellso> nn
[01:17] <lwells> hi all
[01:17] <ManLord> Is there a way to make the headphones volume be "included" into master volume?
[01:17] <lwells> how can i reformat a second harddrive
[01:18] <lwells> the second harddrive is ntf
[01:19] <lwells> kubuntu , cannot see the second drive
[01:24] <delltony> lwells, you should be able to fdisk the drive to partition it (i.e.  fdisk /dev/hdb )
[01:24] <delltony> once partitioned then mke2fs -cv /dev/hdb
[01:25] <lwells> so from terminal , i should be able to do this?
[01:25] <delltony> yeah
[01:25] <delltony> and kubuntu CAN see your ntfs drive
[01:25] <delltony> but it CAN'T write to it
[01:25] <lwells> i do not know the drive number
[01:25] <lwells> it can?
[01:25] <delltony> do you know anything about your system?
[01:25] <delltony> in terms of how many drives you have?
[01:26] <lwells> i have two drives
[01:26] <delltony> ok
[01:26] <delltony> the one your on is hda more than likely
[01:26] <lwells> it was a window machine
[01:26] <delltony> do a ls /dev/hd*
[01:26] <delltony> and look and see what drives you have there
[01:26] <delltony> are they ide drives or scsii?
[01:27] <delltony> scsii are sda iirc
[01:27] <delltony> generally your boot drive is /dev/hda your cdrom is /dev/hdc
[01:27] <delltony> and then other drives are /dev/hdd and so on
[01:27] <lwells> shows hda, hdc, hdc1, hdc2, hdc5 and hdd
[01:28] <delltony> more than likely its hdc then
[01:28] <delltony> cause a cdrom wouldn't have multiple partitions
[01:28] <lwells> hdc is the second drive?
[01:28] <delltony> thats my guess 
[01:28] <delltony> you can fdisk it and see
[01:29] <lwells> said it was unable to open it
[01:29] <delltony> type the following
[01:29] <lwells> ok
[01:29] <delltony> sudo fdisk -l /dev/hdc
[01:29] <delltony> it will list the partition table look to see if its ntfs
[01:30] <delltony> any luck?
[01:31] <lwells> i think that is the boot drive
[01:31] <delltony> tell me what it says
[01:32] <delltony> are you using xchat?
[01:32] <lwells> not yet, just installed linux on this machine
[01:32] <lwells> like 30 min ago
[01:32] <delltony> thats all good
[01:32] <delltony> does that drrive list a swap
[01:32] <lwells> yes
[01:32] <delltony> and linux ext3 and all that good stuff
[01:32] <delltony> o
[01:33] <delltony> then thats your boot drive
[01:33] <delltony> do the same thing for /dev/hda
[01:33] <lwells> ok
[01:33] <lwells> nothing, maybe that is the floppy
[01:34] <lwells> it might be hdc1 then
[01:34] <delltony> no floppies are fd
[01:34] <lwells> found it, it is the hdd drive
[01:34] <delltony> ok
[01:34] <delltony> now
[01:34] <delltony> do the following
[01:35] <delltony> cd /media
[01:35] <lwells> ok
[01:35] <delltony> sudo mkdir ntfsdrive
[01:35] <lwells> ok
[01:35] <delltony> sudo chmod 777 ntfsdrive
[01:36] <lwells> ok
[01:36] <delltony> sudo mount /dev/hdd /media/ntfsdrive -o,ro
[01:36] <delltony> note you can not write to an ntfs drive
[01:37] <delltony> you can only read to it
[01:37] <delltony> to* from 
[01:38] <lwells> huh?
[01:38] <delltony> you can not write to an ntfs drive in linux
[01:38] <delltony> as in store data on it
[01:38] <delltony> you can only read from it
[01:38] <lwells> oh, i want to store to it
[01:39] <delltony> then you need to format it
[01:39] <lwells> so just fdisk it?
[01:39] <delltony> yeah
[01:39] <delltony> that will partition it
[01:39] <delltony> then after you partition it then format it with mke2fs 
[01:39] <lwells> so just fdisk /dev/hdd?
[01:41] <delltony> yes
[01:41] <delltony> and follow the prompts
[01:41] <lwells> it said it could not open it
[01:41] <delltony> of increasing its lba and all that good stuff
[01:41] <delltony> sudo is myfriend and yours too :)
[01:42] <lwells> yep it is, opps
[01:43] <lwells> should i add a new partition, that is one of the options
[01:44] <delltony> what did it say i can't really see it so tell me what it says and ill try and help
[01:44] <delltony> basically in a nutshell you want to delete the old partition
[01:44] <lwells> it has a list of command options
[01:44] <delltony> and maeke a new one
[01:44] <delltony> much like you do in windows
[01:44] <lwells> oh ok, there is a "delete a partition" option
[01:44] <delltony> yeah
[01:45] <delltony> delete it and make a new one
[01:45] <nikkia> cfdisk is easier :)
[01:45] <delltony> thats true too
[01:45] <delltony> use cfdisk
[01:45] <lwells> ok
[01:45] <delltony> forgot about that thanks
[01:45] <mike23> greetings
[01:45] <delltony> whats up mike
[01:46] <mike23> I've got the new kuntu
[01:46] <kalenedrael> I figured out a really random way to back up stuff to DVD while running on a liveCD.
[01:46] <mike23> give me a k-------u----
[01:46] <kalenedrael> See, I have one of those combo drives.
[01:46] <lwells> should it be a logical partition?
[01:46] <lwells> or a primary partition
[01:47] <mike23> I want to add an excutable my edutainment math tab how do I do that?
[01:47] <kalenedrael> It should likely be a primary partition.
[01:47] <kalenedrael> mike23, look in the menu for a menu editor.
[01:47] <kalenedrael> Er, wait, tab?
[01:47] <delltony> make logical lwells 
[01:47] <mike23> I can run octave from the command line bash I'd like to execute from a tab
[01:47] <kalenedrael> Ok, ignore what I said. :P
[01:48] <mike23> thanks
[01:48] <kalenedrael> mike23, ok. I forget what the program is called, but it should be labeled as 'Menu Editor' or something obvious like that.
[01:48] <lwells> should it be bootable?
[01:48] <delltony> no
[01:48] <delltony> you don't want to boot from that drive do you
[01:48] <delltony> your just wantinig to store data on it
[01:49] <lwells> the options are , bootable, delete, help, maximize, print, write
[01:49] <delltony> maximize the partition
[01:49] <lwells> and then write?
[01:50] <delltony> yeah write commits the changes
[01:50] <lwells> ok
[01:50] <lwells> ok , now do i need to still mount it?
[01:51] <delltony> ok so fdisk is done?
[01:51] <lwells> yes, think so
[01:52] <delltony> now mke2fs /dev/hdd
[01:52] <delltony> err 
[01:52] <delltony> sudo mke2fs -cv /dev/hdd
[01:53] <lwells> ok done
[01:53] <delltony> now
[01:54] <delltony> we can mount it to that mount point of ntfsdrive we made
[01:54] <delltony> if youw ant
[01:54] <delltony> but anyway
[01:55] <lwells> how about hd2
[01:55] <delltony> thats fine
[01:55] <delltony> cd /media
[01:55] <delltony> sudo mkdir hd2
[01:55] <delltony> sudo chmod 777 hd2
[01:55] <lwells> did all that
[01:55] <delltony> mount -t ext2 /dev/hdd /media/hd2
[01:55] <delltony> dn't forget to sudo
[01:56] <lwells> ok
[01:56] <lwells> done
[01:56] <delltony> then you can add it to the fstab to mount it on boot
[01:57] <delltony> sudo nano /ect/fstab
[01:57] <lwells> ok
[01:57] <delltony> and add /dev/hdd  /media/hd2  ext2 auto  0 0 
[01:58] <delltony> that should do the trick someone correct me if i'm wrong
[01:58] <lwells> how do i add
[01:58] <delltony> sudo nano /ect/fstab
[01:58] <delltony> and then type 
[01:58] <delltony> type it at the bottom of that list
[01:58] <delltony> then hit control o and save it
[01:58] <lwells> type what
[01:59] <delltony> what  just told you
[01:59] <lwells> i typed sudo nano /etc/fstab, i have am on a information screeen
[01:59] <delltony> you should see stuff like /dev/hdc and so on
[02:00] <delltony> i repeat
[02:00] <lwells> yes
[02:00] <delltony> go to the bottom of that list
[02:00] <delltony> and type /dev/hdd  /media/hd2 ext2 auto 0 0
[02:00] <lwells> how
[02:00] <delltony> with the arrows dude
[02:00] <lwells> duh
[02:01] <lwells> under options, should i just put "defaults?
[02:01] <delltony> dude i told you what to type what part don't you understand :p
[02:02] <delltony> option is auto
[02:02] <delltony> for auto mount 
[02:02] <delltony> 0 for pass
[02:02] <delltony> 0 for dump
[02:03] <lwells> yes yes 
[02:03] <lwells> call me names, i got it
[02:03] <lwells> ok did that,then when finished?
[02:04] <lwells> just exit?
[02:04] <delltony> well ctrl 0
[02:04] <delltony> then hit enter when it ask if you wanna save
[02:04] <lwells> ok did it
[02:05] <delltony> then you shold be all set
[02:05] <delltony> you should see the drive in konqueror ro whatever its called now
[02:06] <delltony> click on the little icon in the system try called system and select storage media
[02:06] <delltony> and it should tae you to /media:
[02:07] <lwells> i see it, but said it was not mounted
[02:08] <lwells> got it, works now
[02:08] <lwells> dang thing was called hdd5
[02:09] <delltony> well that will be a charge of one night with your sister :)
[02:09] <lwells> i messed up
[02:10] <lwells> i need to unmound hdd now, and make it hdd5
[02:10] <lwells> unmount
[02:10] <delltony> umount /media/hd2
[02:10] <delltony> sudo it though
[02:11] <delltony> then remount it but this time hd5
[02:11] <delltony> and then make sure you change your fstab
[02:14] <lwells> now it says wrong fs type
[02:14] <lwells> when i do the mount
[02:15] <lwells> i think you have help a lot, guess i need "special" help
[02:15] <lwells> i have "special" needs
[02:16] <delltony> type fdisk -l /dev/hdd
[02:16] <lwells> does it matter when i mount it?
[02:16] <delltony> and it will tell you what is what
[02:16] <delltony> moe than likely you made a swap file on that drive
[02:19] <lwells> it tells me the size and head and sector info, but not swap
[02:23] <delltony> how many partitions do you have on hat dive though
[02:23] <delltony> hell i don't now i told you what to do :) sorry
[02:23] <lwells> i just looked it up, hdd and hdd5 look the same
[02:24] <lwells> they both say they do not have a valid partition table
[02:27] <lwells> sorry to have bothered you so much about this
[02:40] <lwells> i seem to have made a mess of thins
[02:50] <Octane> i really think that the latest svn version of kopete should be included in breezy, not latest release
[02:54] <HydroYarrGen> svn usually has the probability of including a few more bugs
[02:55] <Octane> thanks captain obvious
[02:55] <Octane> the latest kopete svn is very stable and has been for some time
[02:55] <Octane> its way better than the last "release"
[02:55] <Fiyawerx> hey guys, are there any major reasons to use kubuntu over ubuntu + kde install ?
[02:55] <apokryphos> Fiyawerx: none
[02:55] <Fiyawerx> oh hey :)
[02:56] <Octane> less psace
[02:56] <Octane> space
[02:56] <godzero> I just had a 6+ hour adventure at the command line. It's actully pretty fun
[02:56] <apokryphos> Hi
[02:56] <Fiyawerx> ah, that's not much of an issue for me, hd's plenty, i was wanting to test out kde, and wondered if just installing it on top of ubuntu would give me everything
[02:56] <apokryphos> just sudo aptitude install kubuntu-desktop and you'll have it all
[02:57] <HydroYarrGen> Octane: in that case, kopete needs to make a new release... using svn can always have more bugs, as its a changing target
[02:57] <Fiyawerx> aptitude instead of apt-get?
[02:57] <apokryphos> no major difference
[02:58] <Fiyawerx> great, once those repositories come back for me i'll give it a shot
[02:59] <apokryphos> Fiyawerx: hoary-extras? Why?
[02:59] <apokryphos> nothing to do with Kubuntu 8)
[03:00] <Fiyawerx> is that where w32codecs comes from?
[03:04] <Fiyawerx> hm, ok, i'll try that kubuntu-desktop install, will be back hopefully :)
[03:05] <Bicchi> anyone willing to give me a hand with a dual monitor configuration. i have an ATI video card and i am looking at the X.org log and its giving me (EE) messages.
[03:06] <apokryphos> Fiya_Away: it is, yes. But you can get w32codecs from elsewhere
[03:08] <Bicchi> How do I tell the kernel to use X.org instead of XFree86
[03:14] <godzero> the kernal doesn't control that
[03:14] <godzero> warty?
[03:15] <Bicchi> can anyone take a look at my X.org log and tell me whats wrong. I am trying to use dual monitors. http://pastebin.com/368609
[03:15] <Bicchi> look at line 935
[03:16] <marndt> Hi everyone, 
[03:16] <marndt> I'm doing well using Kubuntu
[03:17] <marndt> Does anyone here know anything about FreeBSD
[03:17] <marndt> ?
[03:17] <sproingie> you could try #freebsd
[03:19] <godzero> bicchi: did you get the fglrx driver from the ubuntu repos?
[03:19] <Bicchi> godzero: yes, but i wasn't working so i also installed the ones from ATI
[03:20] <Bicchi> godzero: so now i am not sure if there is a conflict between the two
[03:20] <mike23> greetings
[03:20] <godzero> Bichhi: I saw at ATI's site the other day ... one of the drivers support xorg and xfree86 (makes sence because they're almost the same)
[03:21] <mike23> is kubuntu based on gtk2 I wasnt to run seamonkey
[03:21] <sproingie> mike23: uh, no, it's based on kde
[03:21] <Bicchi> godzero: so what do you sudgest?
[03:21] <sproingie> mike23: you just need regular ubuntu
[03:21] <godzero> bicchi: what went wrong with the ubuntu drivers?
[03:22] <mike23> I have ubuntu installed with all the libraries
[03:22] <mike23> should seamonkey work
[03:22] <Bicchi> godzero: the same problem i am having now. it does displays my second monitor as a clone but when i use ati instead of fglrx. it works but i get no acceleration at all.
[03:23] <mike23> seamonkey is the new fork of defunct mozilla
[03:23] <lwells> HI all
[03:23] <Bicchi> godzero: plus a lot of ghosting effect. my windows take a long time to refresh plus there is this long drag.
[03:23] <lwells> How can I get KDE 3.4.2?
[03:23] <godzero> bicchi: do you have the ati control program?
[03:23] <Bicchi> yes
[03:23] <Bicchi> but it says its using the mesa drivers
[03:23] <mike23> kde 3.4.2 is a big leap from 3.2
[03:24] <apokryphos> lwells: you on i386?
[03:24] <mike23> I installed breezy badger iso
[03:24] <Bicchi> godzero: its not loading the fglrx driver it shows the mesa driver instead
[03:24] <godzero> It did that (the mesa thing) to me to untill I rebooted
[03:24] <mike23> then installed kubuntu-desktop
[03:24] <lwells> I am
[03:24] <mike23> very nice
[03:24] <Bicchi> godzero: i have restarted X a couple of times now
[03:24] <godzero> a ctrl-alt-backspace doesn't work
[03:25] <Bicchi> ok
[03:25] <Bicchi> brb
[03:25] <lwells> I guess I should just wait for breezy
[03:25] <apokryphos> !kde342
[03:25] <ubotu> [kde342]  at http://kubuntu.org/hoary-kde-342.php
[03:25] <apokryphos> lwells: nope; hoary too
[03:26] <apokryphos> Fiyawerx: konqueror is my default
[03:27] <nalioth> Fiyawerx: i use konqueror, galeon, kazehakase for browsing
[03:27] <Fiyawerx> thanks again :) i'll give it a go, just worried about a few of my companies sites working
[03:28] <apokryphos> try it out
[03:28] <Bicchi> its still showing the mesa drivers.
[03:28] <Fiyawerx> anyone ever try getting lotus notes to run?
[03:28] <nalioth> Fiyawerx: konq uses the khtml rendering thing (safari borrowed it) and ff uses gecko for it's engine
[03:28] <Fiyawerx> with wine?
[03:28] <godzero> Bicchi: can I see your xorg.conf?
[03:28] <nalioth> Fiyawerx: if one wont work the other one should (although i dont recommend firefox to anyone)
[03:29] <apokryphos> nalioth: why not?
[03:29] <Fiyawerx> hmm im just sitting here staring at my desktop deciding where to start, im happy this worked as smooth as it did on my laptop
[03:30] <nalioth> firefox has (if you read the logs of *buntu) a bad habit of caching ram away (exponentially)
[03:30] <apokryphos> Fiyawerx: customize customize :). Get some better icons, firstly :P
[03:30] <Bicchi> godzero: http://pastebin.com/368615
[03:30] <apokryphos> nalioth: Oh, yeah; evil leaks
[03:30] <Fiyawerx> what version of kde is this kubuntu using?
[03:30] <Fiyawerx> for themes and whatnot
[03:30] <apokryphos> Fiyawerx: you're on kde 3.4 I imagine
[03:30] <Fiyawerx> oh, 3.4.0 yep
[03:31] <Fiyawerx> answered it right after i looked lol
[03:31] <Bicchi> godzero: lines 77 and 90 are loading the fglrx drivers
[03:31] <mike23> seamonkey work on kubuntu 3.4.2 breezy badger
[03:31] <apokryphos> Firetech: if you're on i386 you can upgrade to 3.4.2 (bugfixes etc)
[03:31] <mike23> seamonkey works on kubuntu 3.4.2 breezy badger
[03:31] <nalioth> i like galeon or kazehakase for a gecko browswer (both are made for gnome)
[03:32] <mike23> I like mozilla now sea monkey because it has a bilt in html authoring tool
[03:32] <mike23> I don't use it often but it's nice to have
[03:32] <Bicchi> godzero: when i use "ati" in those lines, i get dual monitor like big desktop but there is no acceleration.
[03:33] <nalioth> mike23: mozilla suite has had composer since forever
[03:33] <nalioth> mike23: nvu html editor is based on mozilla composer (the html editor)
[03:33] <mike23> right but they disbanded
[03:34] <mike23> firefox is no mozilla
[03:34] <mike23> the new mozilla is seamonkey
[03:34] <Fiyawerx> ah, can't wait to try my desktop at home with kubuntu
[03:34] <Fiyawerx> hope the dual monitors wont be a big problem hehe
[03:34] <mike23> it appears to run fine
[03:36] <godzero> Bichhi: I was comparing to mine... Can you comment out some of the tweaks in sections device0&1
[03:37] <Bicchi> do you also have an ATI?
[03:37] <godzero> bichhi: The ati driver does do good 2d
[03:37] <godzero> Bichhi: yes, but my second output is svideo, so I don't use it much
[03:38] <Bicchi> godzero: my video card has 1 vga and 1 dvi. not sure if that matters.
[03:38] <godzero> Not to the software
[03:39] <godzero> I found the fglrx drive is really bad a probing the monitor(s)
[03:39] <Bicchi> godzero: i have commented the file. now what should i do before restarting?
[03:40] <godzero> Hrm.. a X restart should do it.. but to load gl, a reboot
[03:41] <Bicchi> i online have the identifier, driver, busid and screen.  i am going to reboot.
[03:41] <Bicchi> brb
[03:41] <godzero> k
[03:44] <Bicchi> godzero: no luck
[03:45] <godzero> Bichhi: still using mesa?
[03:45] <godzero> and screens cloned
[03:46] <Bicchi> godzero: still using mesa and screen are cloned
[03:46] <Bicchi> funny because my mouse can go to the second screen yet the second screen displays whats on the first
[03:48] <Bicchi> take a look at the error log line 465                http://pastebin.com/368629
[03:48] <Fiyawerx> is it ok to use synaptic instead of kynaptic?
[03:48] <apokryphos> Fiyawerx: of course; you might want to try Adept out though -- it's to be the package manager for breezy
[03:49] <apokryphos> and KPackage is another option; just go for whatever you prefer.
[03:49] <Fiyawerx> ok
[03:49] <godzero> bichhi: what I would do : back up your xorg.conf, get rid of the driver, apt-get the fglrx stuff, "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" and reboot
[03:50] <Fiyawerx> amarok seems pretty nice
[03:51] <Bicchi> godzero: can i use sinaptic for that?
[03:52] <godzero> Bichhi: ya, give me a sec, I'll give you a list
[03:53] <apokryphos> Fiyawerx: indeed, it's great :). And even better in 1.3
[03:55] <Fiyawerx> under config-amarok / engine, i should have something listed, no?
[03:55] <apokryphos> Fiyawerx: install amarok-engines
[03:55] <apokryphos> (the package)
[03:55] <godzero> bichhi: grab the xorg drivers, the restricted modules.. 
[03:56] <godzero> a search for fglrx does it pretty well
[03:56] <utta> Anybody figure out how katapult works in breezy?
[03:56] <Bicchi> what do you mean the restricted moudles?
[03:57] <godzero> the non-free kernel driver
[03:57] <Bicchi> stlil not sure how do i get those?
[03:57] <apokryphos> utta: works great :)
[03:57] <musashi> hey everyone
[03:57] <utta> apokryphos: How?
[03:58] <musashi> whats the command to reconfigure X.org?
[03:58] <apokryphos> utta: alt+f2 (perhaps for the last time) -> katapult
[03:58] <godzero> search in synaptic for "fglrx", you'll see a line like "linux-restricted-modules-2.6.xxxx"
[03:58] <utta> apokryphos: Hmm, tried that, I'll try again. Thanks.
[03:59] <musashi> anybody?..
[03:59] <godzero> that may be what you're missing now
[03:59] <apokryphos> utta: then just alt+space, and type an app name
[03:59] <Bicchi> godzero: i did the search but nothing shows restricted modules
[03:59] <Fiyawerx> apokryphos: i tried to search synaptic for "Adept" is there a package for it?
[03:59] <apokryphos> !adept
[03:59] <ubotu> Adept (successor of Kapture) is a package manager for Kubuntu. See http://web.ekhis.org/adept.html
[03:59] <apokryphos> Fiyawerx: check that link
[03:59] <Bicchi> godzero: do i have to enable it from the repository list.
[04:00] <apokryphos> musashi: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[04:00] <musashi> thank you
[04:01] <godzero> Bicchi: it may be in uni/multiverse
[04:01] <Fiyawerx> thanks once again
[04:02] <utta> apokryphos: Killed and restarted, now works fine... Wierd, oh well end result is good
[04:02] <apokryphos> =)
[04:02] <apokryphos> utta: good to hear
[04:03] <utta> apokryphos: Thanks
[04:03] <Fiyawerx> argh
[04:03] <Fiyawerx> i cant get to that link either because of dns
[04:03] <Fiyawerx> wonder whats up today :(
[04:03] <Fiyawerx> or down as the case may be lol
[04:03] <apokryphos> weird indeed
[04:03] <godzero> bichhi: I'll be back in five minutes or so
[04:04] <apokryphos> Fiyawerx: add  deb http://pdx.freedesktop.org/~mornfall/adept/hoary/ ./       ..to your /etc/apt/sources.list
[04:04] <Bicchi> godzero: ok thanks
[04:04] <apokryphos> Fiyawerx: you said you were on hoary, right?
[04:05] <izut> What is 'adept'? 
[04:05] <apokryphos> !adept
[04:05] <ubotu> Adept (successor of Kapture) is a package manager for Kubuntu. See http://web.ekhis.org/adept.html
[04:05] <Fiyawerx> yep on hoary
[04:05] <apokryphos> izut: Hoary unfortunately had Kynaptic (ouch), but Breezy is getting the slightly less embryonic adept
[04:07] <izut> Another deb package manager?
[04:07] <jsubl2> madpenguin was quite impressed with (k)ubuntu
[04:09] <Fiyawerx> ok, adept wants to remove synaptic / et. all, thats fine right?
[04:09] <apokryphos> izut: yes
[04:10] <apokryphos> Fiyawerx: not if you want to keep Synaptic ;-)
[04:10] <Fiyawerx> well might as well get used to adept now :)
[04:10] <apokryphos> it's a hoary issue -- adept needs a newer version fo libapt
[04:11] <godzero> Bicchi: have you found it?
[04:11] <Bicchi> nope
[04:11] <Bicchi> i am trying a different approach. i am going to restart now
[04:12] <Bicchi> brb
[04:12] <douglas> for some reason, when I upgraded my system, my local smbmount broke and when it tries to mount it spits out this error? 6480: Connection to Server failed, and the next line: SMB connection failed ?
[04:14] <izut> There are some Known Problems for Breezy?
[04:15] <apokryphos> izut: some people have X issues; kde-wise, things are all pretty well. Breezy's been stabilising as of late
[04:15] <izut> Already found it.
[04:15] <godzero> izut: From what I've seen the real showstoppers are dropping like flies
[04:16] <godzero> Bichhi: wary, hory, or breezy?
[04:16] <Bicchi> godzero: hoary
[04:18] <godzero> Bichhi: bummer, I'm on breezy. But you do need both the xorg driver and the kernel module
[04:19] <Bicchi> godzero: look at my sources.list file http://pastebin.com/368645
[04:19] <Fiyawerx> alright, i think i could get used to adept, thanks :)
[04:19] <Fiyawerx> ok time for a new theme lol
[04:22] <Bicchi> godzero: this is what shows up installed with synaptic: xorg-common, xorg-driver-fglrx, xorg-driver-synaptics, xserver-xorg
[04:22] <apokryphos> Fiyawerx: icon themes, I recommend any "RAD" ones, any Amaranth ones, or the latest NuoveXt ones
[04:23] <godzero> bichhi: can you try searching in synaptic for "resticted", or alternately, the drive should be in "base system (restricted)".. in theleft pane
[04:23] <Bicchi> godzero: am i missing the kernel modules? how do i know?
[04:25] <ncp> gtk i nice in kde, but damm theres alot of buttons :S
[04:25] <ncp> not like xfce
[04:25] <Fiyawerx> apokryphos: thanks, trying to feel my way around kde-look now 
[04:27] <godzero> bichhi: look for something similar to /lib/linux-restricted-modules/2.6.12-8-386/fglrx
[04:27] <Bicchi> godzero: i did searched under restricted and i got a few items. which one should i install.
[04:27] <Bicchi> ok, you read my mind
[04:28] <Phily> hello all
[04:29] <Bicchi> godzero: ok i have it installed. should i reinstall it?
[04:29] <godzero> bichhi: the one(s) that match your kernels , ie, I have both linux-restricted-modules-386 & 686
[04:29] <Bicchi> godzero: yeah i got it. its installed.
[04:29] <Bicchi> i have an AMD 64 and my video card is ati radeon 9800
[04:31] <godzero> K, grab xorg-driver-fglrx also,,,, kernals 386 & k7?
[04:31] <Bicchi> but i do not have a 386
[04:32] <Bicchi> nevermind, i get it
[04:32] <godzero> Bichhi: forget it for now, but I always have a 386 kenel around for backup
[04:32] <Fiyawerx> night apokryphos 
[04:32] <Fiyawerx> thanks for the help
[04:32] <apokryphos> np :)
[04:32] <Bicchi> but should i choose to reinstall it?
[04:32] <godzero> reinstall which?
[04:33] <Bicchi> the restricted
[04:33] <godzero> is it already installed?
[04:33] <Bicchi> i have all that you are saying allready installed.
[04:33] <Bicchi> yes
[04:33] <Bicchi> except for the restricted drivers for 386 
[04:33] <Bicchi> since i do not have a 386 but amd64
[04:33] <izut> Well, I have the 5.04 kubuntu cd here... Is updating to 5.10 smoothly?
[04:34] <godzero> youll only need that if you boot into the 386 kernel
[04:34] <Bicchi> but i wont
[04:34] <Bicchi> so i have everything so far. i am not sure if should reinstall everything to be save
[04:35] <godzero> so you have the ATI driver installed, and the ubuntu ones too?
[04:35] <Bicchi> safe
[04:35] <Bicchi> godzero: yes. i downloaded the ones from the ATI website and I also have the fglrx that i installed with synaptic
[04:36] <godzero> ya, get rid of the ones you got from ati, and then reinstall the kernel module, and the xorg driver
[04:36] <Bicchi> how do i get rid of the drivers from ati
[04:36] <Bicchi> there isn't and uninstaller
[04:36] <godzero> I think they're butting heads
[04:36] <Bicchi> probably but it never worked even before i installed the ati drivers
[04:36] <godzero> sec
[04:36] <Bicchi> k
[04:39] <godzero> k, i think if you reinstall the ubuntu ones, they'll re-take over
[04:39] <godzero> Hey, one thing I had to do...
[04:39] <Bicchi> ok i am going to reinstall all that you told me
[04:39] <Bicchi> what else?
[04:40] <godzero> I exited from X, to commandline did a "sudo -i", startx so it could write to the files
[04:40] <Bicchi> by the way i am also getting a warning for this: fglrx: No matching Device section for instance (BusID PCI:1:0:1) found
[04:41] <godzero> to be honest x always sprays errors for me
[04:41] <Bicchi> so should i run apt-get instead of synaptic? is that what you are telling me
[04:41] <godzero> no
[04:41] <Bicchi> so why sudo -i ?
[04:41] <nalioth> Bicchi: apt-get is the program that synaptic is the front end for
[04:42] <nalioth> Bicchi: use whichever one you prefer
[04:42] <Bicchi> so why do   sudo - i, then startx
[04:42] <godzero> after i set it up, I x couldn't get write access to some files that neeeded changing
[04:42] <musashiden> hey, when iam configurating Xorg, the nvidia driver doesnt appear
[04:43] <godzero> some of the errors were write related
[04:44] <Bicchi> ok let me try updating.
[04:44] <Bicchi> i mean reinstalling
[04:47] <Bicchi> godzero: brb, reboot time
[04:50] <Bicchi> godzero: you the man
[04:50] <Bicchi> :)
[04:50] <godzero> how'd you know?
[04:51] <Bicchi> display: :0.0  screen: 0
[04:51] <Bicchi> OpenGL vendor string: ATI Technologies Inc.
[04:51] <Bicchi> OpenGL renderer string: RADEON 9800 Pro Generic
[04:51] <Bicchi> OpenGL version string: 1.3.4769 (X4.3.0-8.8.25)
[04:51] <Bicchi> display: :0.0  screen: 1
[04:51] <Bicchi> OpenGL vendor string: ATI Technologies Inc.
[04:51] <Bicchi> OpenGL renderer string: RADEON 9800 Pro Generic
[04:51] <Bicchi> OpenGL version string: 1.3.4769 (X4.3.0-8.8.25)
[04:51] <godzero> dual screens ok too>
[04:51] <godzero> ?
[04:51] <Bicchi> nope
[04:51] <Bicchi> but i can work with that
[04:52] <godzero> k, play with section device device 1, and ati control
[04:52] <Bicchi> yeah, thanks again
[04:53] <godzero> no prob... i was pulling my hair out about my ati earlier today too
[04:55] <Bicchi> godzero: i am going to rebooting a couple of times until i get the dual screen configured. talk to you later.
[04:55] <godzero_away> k, back in a few
[04:56] <Spudchat> hi everyone
[04:57] <Spudchat> is there a way to connect to a windows machine through the default software? i mean like remote desktop?
[04:57] <klerm> dunno
[04:57] <Spudchat> heh...me neither :D
[04:58] <jsubl2> checkout rdesktop
[04:58] <klerm> waheheh
[04:58] <klerm> n then
[05:04] <musashiden> hey yall
[05:04] <musashiden> what was that program that mounted the windows harddrive?
[05:05] <godzero> musashiden: kwikdisk?
[05:06] <musashiden> i know it ended with fs..
[05:06] <godzero> ntfs
[05:06] <musashiden> no, i mean the program
[05:06] <godzero> local or remite?
[05:06] <godzero> remote
[05:06] <musashiden> local
[05:08] <Spudchat> it should work fine with a gnome interface right?
[05:08] <Spudchat> or well enough
[05:09] <godzero> autofs? I don't thinkthat's good for local hard drives though
[05:09] <musashiden> iam looking for a program to mount a ntfs partition in kubuntu
[05:11] <lwells> HI all
[05:11] <lwells> How can I get Control Center back on my menu?
[05:11] <aseigo> use the menu editor
[05:11] <aseigo> right click on the kmenu button, select Edit Menu, add it back (the binary name is kcontrol)
[05:11] <godzero> musashiden: try kwikdisk, it runs in the tray
[05:13] <musashiden> so how do i make kwikdisk mount a HD?
[05:14] <musashiden> hello?
[05:14] <lwells> I got it thanks
[05:14] <lwells> I wonder why sometimes it dissappears
[05:15] <musashiden> ...
[05:15] <godzero> soory
[05:15] <lwells> I have one more question
[05:15] <lwells> The time is in military time, can i change that
[05:16] <othomas> hi all
[05:16] <musashiden> godzero: a little help here?
[05:16] <godzero> musashiden: launch it, it'll appear as 3 boxs (red green blue), click it, menu appears, click the one you want to mount
[05:17] <musashiden> i dont see the hd i want to mount
[05:17] <musashiden> is not there
[05:17] <godzero> musashiden: sorry, I was on anout screen for a sec there
[05:17] <musashiden> its k
[05:17] <musashiden> godzero: i dont see hdb1
[05:18] <musashiden> hello?
[05:18] <godzero> is it ntfs?
[05:18] <godzero> or fat32?
[05:18] <musashiden> no, is a hd i had kubuntu installed on
[05:19] <godzero> mount -t type device dir
[05:20] <musashiden> mount -t type device dir
[05:20] <musashiden> mount: mount point dir does not exist
[05:20] <godzero> so like "mount -t ext3 hdb1 /mnt/old" .. but make a /mnt/old dir first
[05:20] <musashiden> huh?
[05:21] <musashiden> whats ext3?
[05:21] <othomas> mmmmmmmmmmmm
[05:21] <musashiden> i dont get it....
[05:21] <godzero> ext3 is the most common format under linux
[05:22] <musashiden> mount: special device hdb1 does not exist
[05:23] <godzero> try (in konqueror) "media:"
[05:23] <musashiden> yes, i see it there
[05:23] <musashiden> but i just cant access it
[05:23] <musashiden> since is not mounted
[05:23] <godzero> sorry, that wont work
[05:23] <musashiden> huh?
[05:24] <godzero> right click it, is there a mount option?
[05:24] <musashiden> yes
[05:24] <godzero> click mount
[05:24] <musashiden> mount: can't find /dev/hdb1 in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab
[05:24] <musashiden> Please check that the disk is entered correctly.
[05:25] <othomas> godzero may i make a suggestion?
[05:26] <godzero> jump in
[05:26] <othomas> musashiden, try "mount /dev/hdb1 /media/hdb1
[05:26] <musashiden> mount: mount point /media/hdb1 does not exist
[05:27] <othomas> you found hdb1 in the media directory?
[05:27] <musashiden> yes
[05:27] <godzero> make a dir called "media/hdb1" first so it can grab it
[05:27] <godzero> lag
[05:28] <godzero> can you navigate into /media/hdb1/ ? it may already be mounted
[05:28] <musashiden> err, how do i make a folder again?
[05:29] <othomas> use mkdir /media/hdb1
[05:29] <musashiden> done
[05:30] <musashiden> now what?
[05:30] <othomas> musashiden, now "mount /dev/hdb1 /media/hdb1
[05:30] <musashiden> yay! it worked!
[05:30] <musashiden> thank you so much othomas and godzero, i really appreciate it
[05:31] <othomas> okay, now you need to add that to fstab or else issue the command each time you wish to use it
[05:31] <othomas> ur welcome
[05:32] <godzero> now if you want to mount it again some day just "mount /dev/hdb1 media/hdb1"
[05:32] <musashiden> err, whats fstab?
[05:32] <godzero> thanks othomas, i'm still green, so help me any time! :)
[05:32] <othomas> hmmm
[05:33] <godzero> it's a list of where to auto mount drives
[05:33] <godzero> at boot time
[05:33] <musashiden> so how do i add it there then?
[05:34] <godzero> edit as root /etc/fstab
[05:34] <othomas> musashiden, that can get quite complicated..there is a file called fstab and one called mtab
[05:34] <musashiden> err..
[05:35] <othomas> you should read up a bit on the filesystem before you edit those
[05:35] <musashiden> i have no time to read right now...
[05:35] <Phily> is updating from hoary to breezy worth it Phily on a stable system!
[05:35] <godzero> fstab (file system table) for hard drives, mtab(media table) for removables
[05:35] <musashiden> isnt there like a command to add it there?
[05:35] <othomas> meanwhile write down the commands..it won't take long before you understand what fstab is saying
[05:36] <musashiden> ...
[05:36] <godzero> read it, you'll get an idea
[05:36] <othomas> dunno, i just edit it..LOL
[05:36] <musashiden> read what?
[05:36] <othomas> fstab
[05:36] <othomas> you will see your drives listed
[05:36] <godzero> it's just a text file
[05:36] <Phily> anyone have comments feedback on upgrade
[05:37] <godzero> Breezy great for me as of abut 3 days ago
[05:37] <othomas> won't work here Phily, I am just waiting for the release
[05:37] <Phily> othomas: what do you mean won<t work
[05:37] <musashiden> is it ok like this? :
[05:37] <othomas> Install of breezy hangs checking USB drives
[05:38] <Phily> othomas: tk for the info
[05:38] <godzero> musashiden: "kate /etc/fstab" to read it
[05:38] <othomas> the live CD works fine
[05:38] <musashiden> nvm..
[05:38] <godzero> othomas: what probs did you have?
[05:39] <musashiden> i dont get this...
[05:39] <godzero> musashiden: give it time.. have fun with it... it'll come
[05:40] <othomas> musashiden, each section has to do with parameters of access..it takes a while before they make sense
[05:40] <othomas> true godzero 
[05:41] <othomas> hi nalioth
[05:41] <nalioth> howdy howdy
[05:41] <othomas> another great day i hope..:)
[05:42] <musashiden> like this? :   /dev/hdb1       /media/hdb1               ext3    defaults,errors=remount-ro 0       1
[05:42] <godzero> change that 1 to a 2
[05:42] <godzero> like this:
[05:43] <godzero> "/dev/hdb1  /media/hdb1 ext3 default 0 2"
[05:45] <musashiden> dont you mean defaults instad of default?
[05:46] <musashiden> hello?
[05:46] <godzero> yes defaults
[05:46] <musashiden> one more thing, how do i make a sudo password?
[05:46] <godzero> i'm multitasking
[05:47] <godzero> the sudo password is your password, so choose a good one
[05:47] <musashiden> yah
[05:47] <musashiden> whats the terminal command for it?
[05:47] <godzero> do you want to change your password?
[05:48] <musashiden> yes
[05:48] <godzero> passwd
[05:48] <musashiden> thx
[05:49] <musashiden> i appreciate your time
[05:49] <godzero> np, glad to be of some help
[05:49] <musashiden> :)
[05:50] <Phily> musashiden: For your password don<t use words from a dictionary and mixe upper case and lower case
[05:51] <musashiden> i know :P
[05:51] <`Nomad> I did a bad thing..!   I wanted to reinstall python, so I did a sudo apt-get remove python, and I didn't check the dependencies it would remove...
[05:51] <`Nomad> Ahhhhhhh..   I sthere an undo?
[05:51] <`Nomad> It's removing every package on my machine!!!
[05:51] <othomas> did apt-get die?
[05:51] <Phily> musashiden: Sorry, you never the newbies from windows what they do
[05:52] <godzero> or you can do as i do, makeareallylongpassworknobodywillguessina100years
[05:52] <othomas> hahaha godzero
[05:53] <othomas> 'Nomad apt-get install python
[05:53] <othomas> 'Nomad many programs use python and the libraries
[05:54] <musashiden> Phily: :P
[05:55] <musashiden> my password is short and sweet
[05:55] <musashiden> and its soo ovious. but sooo hard to guess
[05:55] <`Nomad> I grabbed a list of the packages that were deleted, basically anything that starts with k or other letter.. :(
[05:55] <othomas> i always use password..no one guesses that
[05:55] <othomas> hahahahaha
[05:55] <musashiden> lol
[05:55] <`Nomad> I guess I'll have to re-install from CD
[05:56] <kakalto> I'm looking forward to breezy XD
[05:56] <musashiden> 'Nomad: that'll be the best you can do
[05:56] <musashiden> me too!
[05:56] <`Nomad> arghhh.. Thanks
[05:56] <`Nomad> Live and learn
[05:56] <musashiden> lol
[05:57] <musashiden> will we have to burn the new breezy into a cd or can we just upgrade from hoary?
[05:57] <kakalto> I bet kubuntu breezy will be better integrated
[05:57] <kakalto> either
[05:57] <kakalto> upgrade is easire tho
[05:57] <musashiden> i rather start from scratch, there might be some bugs with updates
[05:57] <godzero> ya know rm -r is faster
[05:57] <musashiden> whats that?
[05:57] <kakalto> although there was bugs with the warty-hoary update, that was because of xorg
[05:58] <godzero> a joke
[05:58] <musashiden> oo..
[05:58] <kakalto> methinks there shouldn't be any major bugs with hoary-breezy update
[05:58] <Phily> godzero: no rm -r  /* is much faster
[05:58] <kakalto> I'm gonna do a fresh install anyway though
[05:59] <godzero> never spell it out all the way, someone will try it...
[05:59] <othomas> lol
[05:59] <kakalto> and?
[05:59] <nalioth> Phily: yes, please dont do that
[05:59] <kakalto> right ;)
[05:59] <othomas> part hda3/F
[05:59] <musashiden> anyways, time to sleep
[05:59] <godzero> bye
[05:59] <kakalto> bye
[05:59] <musashiden> its  4am in here XD
[06:00] <kakalto> in here?
[06:00] <othomas> cya musashiden 
[06:00] <kakalto> so outside it's different time?
[06:00] <kakalto> oh right
[06:00] <othomas> take care
[06:00] <musashiden> lol
[06:00] <Phily> nalioth: sorry!
[06:00] <musashiden> cya all
[06:00] <nalioth> there are new *nix users in here who may not know the effects of random command they see (and not have the sense not to run them)
[06:01] <othomas> smile
[06:01] <Spudchat> wow thank you for that
[06:01] <Spudchat> it works perfectly
[06:01] <godzero> NO CARRIER
[06:01] <othomas> you know who they are cuz they suddenly errored off
[06:03] <othomas> ALT-F4 for free Avatars
[06:03] <godzero> lol
[06:03] <othomas> heh
[06:03] <narg> heh
[06:04] <narg> then the classic 'hit alt-f4 for my free pr0n ftp site'
[06:04] <othomas> hahahahaha
[06:04] <othomas> ROFL
[06:04] <godzero> I feel all AOL-ish again
[06:04] <othomas> LOL
[06:05] <Phily> nalioth: I<ve noticed that kubuntu does not ship with a default .bashrc rm='rm -i' this would insure that newbies dont make mistakes
[06:05] <Phily> nalioth: I<ve noticed that kubuntu does not ship with a default .bashrc alias rm='rm -i' this would insure that newbies dont make mistakes
[06:05] <othomas> Phily, yep same reason 'root' is disabled
[06:05] <narg> wow... doing rm -xx x would be really annoying with -i. Imagine doing y for every stinking file...
[06:06] <Phily> nalioth: And lots of beginners are being intoduced to linux with ubuntu
[06:06] <othomas> passes the time?
[06:06] <othomas> heh
[06:06] <narg> ;p
[06:06] <nalioth> Phily: ubuntu is aimed at new users by not requiring terminal use
[06:06] <Phily> narg: Yeah you can always overide the -i flag
[06:06] <othomas> ubuntu is a good system for a beginner..theya ll did a GREAT job
[06:06] <narg> yea, and you'd probably destroy your system with the first few files.
[06:07] <godzero> i gotta learn pearl... somany scary things out there i can't read like @#$#@$@$%#%^$7
[06:07] <narg>  /boot is high in the list :P
[06:07] <Phily> nalioth: I disagrre with: where are the nice GUI gor setting servers, network samba... like suse
[06:08] <narg> nathioth: still a good idea, anyone who is more advanced can just edit the .bashrc file. Newbies tend to want to screw around in the CLI a bit. I did :)
[06:08] <nalioth> Phily: new ubuntu users aren't likely to need those things.
[06:08] <nalioth> Phily: if they do need those things, they will know how to get them
[06:09] <Phily> Nakkel: Point taken I guest you are right
[06:14] <othomas> it's the little things that grab your cheeks and shake you..WHY did you DO that?
[06:20] <godzero> anybdy know any good linux radio shows like lugradio and tllts?
[06:20] <othomas> no, sure wish i did
[06:20] <narg> there was a very interesting tllts with a kde developer not long ago, but thats not really a new show ;)
[06:21] <othomas> CNET used to have a good radio talk on, but it's gone
[06:22] <narg> ah, dont you love artsd: vmsize: 587megs
[06:22] <narg> *mutter*
[06:22] <godzero> was listening to an old lugradio last night with shuttleworth and had a messed up dreem... spaceships, microsoft stealing children's toys...
[06:22] <narg> 1gig of ram isnt all that nice when you have a memory leak like that...
[06:22] <othomas> heh
[06:23] <godzero> don't fall asleep at the 'puter
[06:23] <godzero> 587? damn, that's xorg territory
[06:23] <`Nomad> I managed to reverse my stupid move from earlier, I grabbed the output from the apt-get remove command and made a script with it to re-install all
[06:23] <`Nomad> so far so good
[06:24] <`Nomad> hope it works  :)
[06:24] <godzero> a true linux hacker
[06:24] <othomas> 'Nomad good deal
[06:24] <`Nomad> never be root when so sleepy as I was... !!! :)
[06:25] <narg> I've done things like that before, so I run a cron job to run 'dpkg --list > /root/packages'
[06:25] <narg> heh
[06:25] <narg> saved me once or twice ;)
[06:25] <`Nomad> hehe, not bad
[06:28] <narg> well, I got a math test and a random us history slough test tomorrow
[06:28] <narg> I should hit the sack
[06:28] <narg> nite all :)
[06:28] <othomas> niters
[06:28] <godzero> 'night
[06:29] <othomas> oops time to re-install beer
[06:29] <nalioth> othomas: go for an upgrade, dont buy the cheap stuff
[06:29] <`Nomad> gnight
[06:34] <othomas> install complete, you clse this window..love it..:)
[06:37] <godzero> I just installed from the newest build today... lots to setup..
[06:38] <othomas> 501?
[06:38] <godzero> some how I messed up the kdm theme.. don't know how
[06:38] <othomas> send it back to defaults and start over
[06:38] <godzero> "/kubuntu/install/current
[06:39] <godzero> no, it's ok.. just have no idea how it got changed
[06:39] <Phily> narg: How can it be random slough test
[06:40] <othomas> Phily, you would think of that..<grin>
[06:40] <Phily> Is my text bold if so you can kill me
[06:40] <godzero> whats a slough?
[06:41] <othomas> hahah, not here
[06:42] <Phily> godzero: Wetland
[06:42] <jaydes> hi
[06:42] <othomas> hi jaydes
[06:43] <jaydes> helo
[06:43] <jaydes> ctc?
[06:43] <godzero> is that a british thing like prat?
[06:43] <godzero> phily
[06:43] <jaydes> huh?
[06:44] <jaydes> hey!
[06:44] <Phily> godzero: Have a look http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slough
[06:44] <jaydes> thomas
[06:44] <Phily> brb for smoke
[06:44] <othomas> jaydes, yes
[06:45] <jaydes> i do'nt understand!clear it up!
[06:45] <jaydes> ctc?
[06:46] <othomas> a proxy like server for linux
[06:46] <jaydes> wat?
[06:46] <jaydes> hi jeezis
[06:47] <Jeezis> hello
[06:47] <jaydes> asl?
[06:47] <jaydes> plz
[06:47] <othomas> with IBM..CTC stands for Client Tech Center
[06:47] <Jeezis> jaydes: is this efnet? :-p
[06:47] <othomas> irc net
[06:47] <jaydes> yap
[06:48] <crimsun> heh, I almost worked @CTC
[06:48] <crimsun> ended up in the blue buildings, though, thank goodness
[06:48] <jaydes> wat i mean is care to chat
[06:48] <Jeezis> sure, why not
[06:48] <Jeezis> 19/m/usa
[06:48] <othomas> ohhh.this is the help channel for Kubuntu
[06:48] <jaydes> ows?
[06:49] <Jeezis> pa
[06:49] <jaydes> wat pa/
[06:49] <Jeezis> pennsylvania
[06:49] <alexandros> can someone pleasse tell if backports are up?
[06:49] <jaydes> othomas:asl plz
[06:50] <jaydes> jeezis:stil stud?
[06:50] <Jeezis> jaydes: i should be, but i took a year off, working as a grunt for a company called jlg
[06:50] <othomas> this is not a general chat channel jaydes
[06:50] <jaydes> so?
[06:51] <jaydes> u dont care
[06:51] <Jeezis> othomas: sorry, i know this is a help channel
[06:51] <othomas> kk
[06:52] <jaydes> jeezis:topic?
[06:53] <godzero> jeezis: you're only 19? I though you were at least 2000... hrm
[06:53] <Jeezis> heh, you know how it goes
[06:53] <jaydes> godzero:funny hahaha
[07:00] <Bicchi> need some help with firefox.
[07:01] <othomas> Bicchi, what's up?
[07:01] <Bicchi> firefox is not displaying the fonts correctly
[07:01] <Bicchi> like the fonts are small and some other things are really big
[07:01] <Bicchi> not sure why i haven't mess with it
[07:02] <Bicchi> i was setting up a dual monitor systems and now that i got that working firefox is not displaying things right
[07:02] <Bicchi> any help?
[07:02] <godzero> um, I think kde's fonts are bigger, so the firefox fonts look smaller (no joke)
[07:02] <othomas> go into edit-prefs-fonts and set them to be static
[07:02] <othomas> in other words don't use the pages fonts
[07:03] <godzero> I'm at 1400x1050 and all the kde fonts are huge
[07:03] <Bicchi> static ? i do not see that
[07:03] <Bicchi> you mean allways use my fonts?
[07:03] <othomas> i am at 1240 and fires defaults are tiny
[07:03] <othomas> yup
[07:04] <Bicchi> that didn't do anything
[07:05] <othomas> you can also change the font by hitting CTRL-+ or CTRL-minus in firefox
[07:05] <Phily> I'm at 640x400 and everything is huge
[07:05] <othomas> have to restart to see the effect
[07:05] <godzero> there's a firefox plugin I used to love, it puts  "A+ a- a=" icons on the toolbar for font zooming
[07:06] <Bicchi> no i fixed it
[07:06] <Phily> The trash takes a quarter of my screen (green monochrome)
[07:06] <othomas> heh phily..I hate when that happens
[07:06] <Bicchi> othomas: it was the display resolution inside firefox
 cool bicchy
[07:06] <Bicchi> godzero: i finally got dual head working
[07:06] <godzero> Phily: so you got rid of your old CGA card?
[07:07] <othomas> oops bicchi too..sorry
[07:07] <Phily> godzero: I finally got some money and put an 80 character card in my Apple II e
[07:07] <godzero> Bicchi: I gathered that... great... post you xorg.conf somewhere
[07:07] <othomas> heh
[07:08] <lwells> HI all
[07:08] <othomas> hi lwells
[07:08] <Phily> godzero: These have a high street price especially since the card can only be found at auction houses
[07:08] <godzero> Phily: So you're not using that vic=20 anymore? You're so bleeding edge
[07:08] <lwells> How can i find out about the cron jobs
[07:08] <Bicchi> godzero: i am going to clean it up a little then i am going to post it on the ubuntuforums for others too see including the video card info and all the shit
[07:09] <godzero> bicchi: great
 what language! i never! heh
[07:09] <godzero> Phily: serious 'bout the Apple 2 card?
[07:09] <Phily> godzero: Its got a fill rate of 3/4 pixel a second using opengl (software(
[07:10] <Phily> godzero: what about the apple 2 r card
[07:11] <godzero> that 80 char card.. guess you were joking
[07:11] <lwells> what are the commands to run the cron jobs
[07:11] <godzero> Iwells: cron
[07:12] <othomas> cron as root
[07:12] <Phily> godzero: nope in the old days if you apple ii e had 40 char wide screen to get 80 (for text processing) you had to buy an Addison card
[07:12] <othomas> except if it's running you get a "file in use" error
[07:12] <Phily> oops add-on card
[07:12] <lwells> what about anacron
[07:12] <godzero> the iic had em built in
[07:13] <godzero> Phily: I remeber the apple ] [ series pretty well, but I was a c=64 guy
[07:14] <godzero> I'm an old fart (35)
[07:14] <Phily> godzero: I too had C64 also an Amiga A500 which still works
[07:14] <godzero> my 2 amy500s died :(
[07:14] <Phily> godzero: I just turned 30
[07:15] <godzero> loved the amiga... friggen sweet machine
[07:16] <Phily> godzero: Amiga's where way ahead of their time
[07:17] <godzero> when commodore died, there was nowhere to go, pcs sucked hard, apples couldn't multitask propper... wasn't till linux we had something to be proud of again
[07:19] <Phily> godzero: The Amiga was the computer I owned and used the longest, if you calculate a payback from the thing you cannot get more bang for your money
[07:20] <Phily> godzero: Today you change hardware faster than u buy a new pair of jeans
[07:21] <godzero> I figured it out once, I computed more cycles in 1 week on this machine than those 2 a500s did in thier whole lifes
[07:21] <Phily> Anyway see u all got to get some sleep before work [1:20 Eastern time] 
[07:21] <godzero> bye
[07:24] <godzero> Iwells: what did you want to cron?
[07:25] <lwells> just run them i suppose
[07:25] <lwells> i turn my laptop off at night
[07:25] <lwells> they run in the middle of night right?
[07:26] <godzero> ya
[07:26] <godzero> you can set it
[07:26] <lwells> is there a log 
[07:26] <godzero> yes
[07:26] <lwells> i should probably buy a book huh
[07:27] <lwells> just hard to know these things
[07:27] <godzero> there's alot to learn
[07:27] <lwells> it is fun though
[07:28] <lwells> i was so frustrated with windows
[07:28] <godzero> 100% agree
[07:28] <lwells> do you recommend any good books?
[07:28] <godzero> linux  gives you somuch to do
[07:28] <godzero> not off the top of my head
[07:29] <godzero> I learned unix off and on for 20 years
[07:29] <nalioth> uncle google can point you to cron howtos
[07:29] <lwells> i have been on it for like 10 days
[07:29] <nalioth> although i usually leave my box running and have the screen depower
[07:30] <lwells> just not convident to leave my laptop running
[07:30] <godzero> you want it to auto power off?
[07:30] <lwells> sure, how do i do that
[07:31] <godzero> set a cron job to "poweroff"
[07:41] <lwells> hi again, i tried it , nothing
[07:41] <godzero> hey
[07:41] <godzero> kcron
[07:41] <lwells> yep, that is what i used
[07:42] <godzero> "init 0" 
[07:42] <lwells> on the program like i used poweroff
[07:43] <lwells> on the program line i put "init 0"?
[07:43] <godzero> poweroff should work, but if not init 0 should work
[07:43] <godzero> yes
[07:43] <lwells> k, put that, should turn off in 2 min
[07:44] <lwells> when do the normal cron jobs run anyway
[07:44] <godzero> init 0=off, 1=recovery, 3=commandline, 5=norma turn on, 6=reboot
[07:45] <godzero> depends on how they're set
[07:45] <godzero> most nightly
[07:45] <lwells> huh, did not turn the computer off
[07:46] <godzero> run as root
[07:46] <lwells> so, i should put sudo init 0?
[07:46] <godzero> no, sudo kcron
[07:47] <lwells> oh run the program under root
[07:47] <godzero> yes
[07:47] <godzero> then the init 0 will run as root
[07:48] <godzero> sudo init 0 would countdown, then ask for password
[07:48] <lwells> does it matter what catergory i put it in?
[07:49] <godzero> ?
[07:49] <lwells> when i run kcron as root it has many different jobs and catagories
[07:49] <godzero> oh
[07:49] <lwells> i guess it should be under the root section
[07:50] <godzero> im launching it so i can see what you see
[07:51] <lwells> ok
[07:51] <godzero> um, where ever it looks good
[07:51] <lwells> did it, hopefully in 4 min it will shut down
[07:52] <lwells> i just now need to know when the maintenance programs run
[07:53] <godzero> most are at night, not sure about kubuntu
[07:53] <godzero> nothing you haveto worry about
[07:54] <lwells> just want to make sure the computer turns off after the normal cron jobs
[07:54] <godzero> looks like they run daily, not at a defined time
[07:54] <lwells> ok cool
[07:55] <lwells> this is just so fun
[07:55] <godzero> about that time?
[07:55] <lwells> huh still did not work, funny huh
[07:55] <godzero> hrm
[07:57] <godzero> oh, you set minutes?
[07:58] <lwells> i did
[07:58] <lwells> i changed it again, used poweroff instead
[07:58] <godzero> that = 12:00 am +minutes
[07:58] <godzero> not what you want
[07:58] <lwells> why
[08:00] <godzero> check "run every day", then in hours pick one, then in minutes, pick one... it will shut down at that time
[08:00] <lwells> i did
[08:00] <godzero> it isn't a relative setting
[08:00] <lwells> and used poweroff as the program
[08:01] <lwells> did not work anyway
[08:01] <godzero> did you set the "run as root" at the top?
[08:02] <lwells> at the top of kcron?
[08:02] <godzero> yes looks like "run as {box}"
[08:02] <godzero> put root in the box
[08:03] <lwells> so put "run as {root} poweroff" ?
[08:04] <MrFaber> hi all
[08:05] <godzero> run as: [root]  ... program: [init 0] 
[08:05] <godzero> hi
[08:05] <godzero> or program: [poweroff] 
[08:05] <lwells> ok, i will do that one
[08:06] <lwells> ok, now in 4 min, lets see again
[08:06] <godzero> k
[08:06] <lwells> you cant set anything to turn the computer on in the morning?
[08:08] <godzero> hrm... no, the OS isn't booted
[08:08] <lwells> that is kind of what i figured
[08:08] <godzero> I can think of ways to do it
[08:08] <lwells> i saw something about a way a mac can do htat, but not sure here
[08:08] <godzero> but it involves another pc, and a network
[08:09] <lwells> yea that makes sense
[08:09] <lwells> here we go, almost time
[08:10] <godzero> ?
[08:10] <lwells> nope
[08:10] <godzero> sorry
[08:10] <godzero> brb
[08:11] <lwells> i can hear the hard drive spin, so i think it is trying, just not set up right i guess
[08:12] <lwells> well i need to get going, good night and thanks for the help
[08:27] <frank23> I rebooted and lost my kde preferences such as background and file associations. why is that?
[08:47] <hussam> Kaffeine 0.7 on breezy keeps crashing terribly. Is there an alternative program that also uses win32 codecs?
[08:48] <hussam> also it has to use xine
[08:50] <transgress> kaffeine normally uses xine... and yes... totem-xine does... mplayer can... 
[08:51] <hussam> transgress: I'm using kaffeine on breezy with xine and win32 codecs but it crashes whenever I open a file
[08:53] <pc22> what does it mean with control center here: http://kudos.berlios.de/kf/kisimlar/pkglist.html#samba because i cant find control center in KMenu
[08:53] <transgress> hussam: herm, don't have that problem... but i just answered your other question... totem-xine uses them, and so does mplayer...
[08:53] <hussam> transgress: both are gtk right?
[08:53] <Firetech> hussam: try Codeine. http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=17161
[08:54] <Firetech> it uses xine and mostly is more stable than Kaffeine
[08:56] <hussam> Thanks, I'll try that
[08:56] <pc22> hi firetech
[09:07] <pc22> transgress, you familiar with my problem?
[09:25] <aftertaf> mornfall:  u there man? got a backtrace for ya ;)
[09:33] <nalioth> aftertaf: you chasing someone across the matrix?
[09:34] <delmonico> hi :) what package contains this mini-filesharing-webserver in kde's kicker?
[10:05] <_ivan> 
[10:07] <mornfall> here
[10:08] <ndazza> wow, i didn't even know i could display those characters...
[10:33] <othomas> hhi all
[10:48] <boerjesl> I tried to install the latest Opera 8.5 ..I get dependency problem:
[10:49] <boerjesl> ow, I have checked my lib files and it appears that the version I have is libstdc++.so.6
[10:49] <boerjesl> Is this an instance of my distro being too new for the software? Is there a way to replac
[10:49] <boerjesl> oops
[10:49] <boerjesl> wait
[10:49] <boerjesl> that wasn'tit
[10:49] <boerjesl>  /usr/lib/opera/8.50-20050916.6/opera: error while loading shared libraries: libstdc++.so.6: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[10:49] <boerjesl> where can I get libstdc++.so.6 ?
[10:50] <amu> install opensource software :)
[10:50] <boerjesl> I have
[10:50] <amu> gimme the sourcecode of opera i'll fix your problem 
[10:51] <boerjesl> I installed it from a deb
[10:52] <boerjesl> you want the tar?
[10:52] <boerjesl> http://opera.com/download/linux.html?platform=linux&x=86&y=27
[10:52] <BlankB> boerjesl: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=40467 is any of this info helpful?
[10:52] <amu> yep or a source.deb 
[10:53] <boerjesl> source.deb ?
[10:53] <boerjesl> sorry, I'm not a newbie but I'm not a pro either
[10:54] <boerjesl> BlankB: no, I don't think so. That's what I used, and it's for the old one
[10:54] <amu> a source deb is orig.tgz + deb diff  
[10:55] <boerjesl> amu: sorry, I don't quite follow
[10:55] <boerjesl> deb diff?
[10:55] <amu> boerjesl: see ex. http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/a/a52dec/
[10:56] <amu> you have different {arch}.deb a  a52dec_0.7.4-1.diff.gz and  a52dec_0.7.4.orig.tar.gz
[10:56] <amu> with the a52dec_0.7.4-1.diff.gz and a52dec_0.7.4.orig.tar.gz you can build the deb
[10:56] <boerjesl> where?
[10:57] <amu> that was for a52dec, now point me to the sources of opera and i'll build you a fixed debian package 
[10:57] <boerjesl> only stuff they give is this: http://opera.com/download/linux.html?platform=linux&x=86&y=27
[11:00] <amu> looks like opera is fucking closed software :) better use mozilla or konqueror  
[11:06] <boerjesl> problem solved. 8.5 works now. went to synaptic and installed libstdc++6
[11:06] <BlankB> boerjesl: now go add what you did to that howto.
[11:07] <BlankB> I tried opera just then using the version 8.5 that was made for debian woody. It seemed to work ok.
[11:20] <compagnons> t
[12:11] <othomas> test
[12:12] <burepe> I got a crashing synaptic and kynaptic. Can someone rec
[12:13] <burepe> oops
[12:13] <burepe> recommend a way to go about fixing this
[12:16] <zxsykco> What is wrong?
[12:17] <zxsykco> burepe: What is wrong?
[12:17] <zxsykco> Free! Tacos for everyone!
[12:18] <burepe> The programs blink in the task bar and vanish,
[12:18] <burepe> Crash
[12:22] <zxsykco> I'm not sure I would need more info.
[12:22] <zxsykco> I don't think my gung-fu is up to par.
[12:23] <BlankB> burepe: what happens when you run them from a shell. do you get any error messages.?
[12:23] <burepe> hold on
[12:24] <burepe> It says "sudo /etc/init.d/apache2 restart"
[12:24] <BlankB> what did you type to get that?
[12:24] <burepe> Sorry
[12:25] <burepe> that is wrong
[12:25] <burepe> KCrash: Application 'kynaptic' crashing...
[12:25] <burepe> thats what it says
[12:26] <burepe> It says "kynaptic has caused  signal 11 (SIGSEGV)" in the KDE crash handler
[12:28] <burepe> wait, this popped up "Error: "/tmp/kde-burepe" is owned by uid 1000 instead of uid 0.
[12:28] <burepe> Link points to "/tmp/kde-root"
[12:28] <BlankB> when was the last reboot?
[12:29] <burepe> a few min ago
[12:29] <burepe> maybe I should just restart. But I was having other programs crash like firefox. so I thought the problem was more serious
[12:30] <burepe> I will do a restart and see what happens.
[12:30] <BlankB> when it comes back see if /tmp/ has been cleared.
[12:31] <burepe> synptic said "Segmentation fault"
[12:32] <BlankB> that sounds bad...esp if you are having problems with other apps.
[12:38] <zxsykco> you got owned?
[12:38] <zxsykco> Oops.
[12:39] <zxsykco> I think a nice reinstall would be a good idea...
[12:39] <zxsykco> Just a suggestion.
[12:40] <zxsykco> Unless you've already tried that!
[12:40] <BlankB> better than a re-install is restore from last backup. 8)
[12:40] <zxsykco> Backup? In kubuntu?
[12:40] <zxsykco> Your pulling my leg!
[12:41] <verden01> hey
[12:41] <BlankB> I am always amazed that people never consider it.
[12:42] <zxsykco> I prefer virtual filesystem overlays!!
[12:42] <zxsykco> Ofcourse I usually don't use them as I'm lazy!
[12:42] <verden01> i haven't used kubuntu for a while, is 5.10 preview much different to hoary?
[12:43] <zxsykco> Yes, indeed.
[12:43] <verden01> anyone
[12:43] <zxsykco> I'd wait until october 13 before using it.
[12:44] <verden01> cool
[12:44] <zxsykco> as am I.
[12:45] <verden01> i've been using FC4  for a while and its great but it would be good to get back to a Debian based system
[12:47] <BlankB> verden01: is it because of deb/apt verses rpm?
[12:48] <zxsykco> I have slackware 10.1, suse 9.1, gentoo, phlak 0.30, and cl2.5 installed currently.
[12:48] <verden01> yeah and debian just works 
[12:48] <zxsykco> Along with winders, pleh.
[12:50] <BlankB> I switched from suse to kubuntu because of apt. 
[12:50] <verden01> i've used Libranet for a long time but i think kubuntu will be the distro to use in the future
[12:52] <BlankB> hope so. I have really enjoyed it. Much easier to keep up to date than something on rpm.
[12:52] <verden01> apt is a great tool and synaptic is good for people who don't want to do command line stuff
[12:53] <pc22> how do i share my printer to others?
[12:55] <BlankB> pc22: need more info. What would connect to it other kubuntu boxes or windows boxes?
[12:55] <pc22> ubuntu and windows?
[12:55] <pc22> is it possible?
[12:56] <BlankB> dunno about windows. I only have kubuntu installed on all my machines and they share 1 printer.
[12:57] <BlankB> im sure to have windows print to it you would have to do something with samba.
[12:58] <pc22> what about kubuntu? how do i configure them?
[01:00] <BlankB> On the machine with the printer. You will use the Printing manager. From there you can do Print Server->Configure Server
[01:01] <BlankB> you want to make sure that under security that you allow machines to connect from your network.
[01:03] <pc22> and?
[01:04] <BlankB> then add that printer based on the urI to other machines.
[01:05] <pc22> Some options were not recognized by this configuration tool. They will be left untouched and you won't be able to change them.
[01:05] <pc22> configfileperm = 0600
[01:05] <pc22> runasuser = Yes
[01:05] <pc22> include = cupsd-browsing.conf
[01:05] <pc22> when i clicked the clicked the configure: 
[01:07] <BlankB> it aint perfect.
[01:09] <BlankB> here is what I did you may want to do it in a more secure way:
[01:09] <BlankB> under security -> locations -> root i hit edit.
[01:10] <BlankB> then i hit add and told it allow with 192.168.99.*
[01:10] <BlankB> cause 192.168.99.0 is my local network.
[01:10] <BlankB> yours is probably different.
[01:11] <BlankB> I did the same thing under print jobs.
[01:12] <BlankB> The machine that my printer is on has a static ip so on the machine I wanted to print from I added a printer with this uri:   ipp://192.168.99.50:631/printers/HL1440
[01:25] <BlankB> !faq
[01:25] <ubotu> I guess faq is The Ubuntu FAQ Guide: select System -> Help (in Breezy)
[02:05] <othomas> corned beef hash and eggs...hmmmm
[02:22] <St^Anger^19m> hey guys...I've got a very old machine: 486 Dx4 120Mhz with 16Mb of ram...it currently runs Windows 3.11 but I never really use it. I'd like to try some small linux on it...any suggestions?
[02:23] <Tm_T> dsl
[02:23] <Tm_T> Damn Small Linux
[02:23] <othomas> look up "live cd+linux on google..there are several smal distros to try
[02:23] <Tm_T> actually my only choice in this case
[02:23] <St^Anger^19m> thanks
[02:23] <St^Anger^19m> thank Tm_T and thanks othomas :)
[02:23] <aftertaf> but there'll be not much fun to be had in X..... :/
[02:23] <Tm_T> btw that's not that old pc
[02:23] <othomas> coyote is pretty good too
[02:24] <Tm_T> I have 486 in use
[02:24] <Tm_T> dx2 20Mhz
[02:24] <Tm_T> "rrrrrockett!!"
[02:24] <othomas> heh
[02:24] <kartug> hi @ all
[02:24] <St^Anger^19m> i currently have office suite etc etc on my win3.11
[02:24] <othomas> hi kartug
[02:25] <aftertaf> hehe :D
[02:25] <St^Anger^19m> will i have the same stuff on dsl?
[02:25] <Tm_T> uhm
[02:25] <Tm_T> well, there's nano? ;--P
[02:25] <kartug> hey i was wondering something bout grub bootsplash...anybody know their way around there?
[02:25] <othomas> no 16 meg can't run X
[02:26] <St^Anger^19m> :(
[02:26] <kartug> greetz nxv_ :)
[02:27] <kartug> Anybody know what this "message" file is for grub bootloader?
[02:27] <kartug> I tried to install a splash for it and supposedly I only have to replace that file (instead of changing the conf like I did for the splash i currently use)
[02:28] <nxv_> hi kartug 
[02:30] <kartug> nxv_:  hey you know anything bout grub bootsplash? I have one installed and it works but I want to change it...install says something about a message file
[02:36] <MrFaber> Are there plans to replace the framebuffer ubuntu logo with one of kubuntu?
[02:36] <MrFaber> And use blue style instead of orange/brown?
[02:36] <othomas> mine uses blue
[02:37] <othomas> oh, your talking breezy, sorry
[02:38] <MrFaber> othomas: yes
[02:38] <MrFaber> It is only a gimmick and not important but it would look great :)
[02:39] <othomas> uhhuh
[02:40] <MrFaber> another point is that the multimedia keys of my Dell inspiron aren't recognized automatically in breezy kubuntu but in ubuntu without interaction
[02:41] <MrFaber> It is no big deal to configure keyboard but it is one of the biggest points of ubuntu that it runs out of the box normally :)
[02:41] <MrFaber> at least for me
[02:42] <fluffybunny_> hello Kamping_Kaiser 
[02:42] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi fluffybunny_ :)
[02:42] <othomas> kubuntu live works fine but install fails to recognize the usb drives
[02:42] <MrFaber> And why need metapaket kubuntu-desktop the paket koffice-data when koffice isn't installed?
[02:43] <MrFaber> othomas: this is fixed if you update
[02:43] <fluffybunny_> my days in kubuntu are limited - my install is so broken, i am either going to have to wipe and reinstall, or wipe and install gentoo (cause I have a local gentoo bloke who can help) :(
[02:43] <othomas> hi K_K and FB
[02:43] <MrFaber> But you can't with live cd :)
[02:43] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi othomas
[02:43] <fluffybunny_> othomas: hey
[02:44] <othomas> well, hoary works fine so hanging in there waiting
[02:45] <fluffybunny_> every time i boot up, i log in... 5 minutes later, I'm still waiting, and then I get returned to the login screen, which then works on the seond time around
[02:45] <othomas> eck
[02:45] <fluffybunny_> needless to say, its very annoying
[02:45] <fluffybunny_> :)
[02:46] <othomas> guess you need to go do toilet etc, on first go, eh?
[02:46] <fluffybunny_> and i don't know whats gone wrong or how to fix it
[02:46] <othomas> heh..sorry had to say it
[02:46] <fluffybunny_> yes - wake up, boot, login, go make a cup of tea... drink the tea, login again
[02:47] <othomas> are the drives  running while itr doe this Flu?
[02:48] <othomas> <who typed that?>
[02:48] <fluffybunny_> uhm, i can't say that i've noticed othomas (next time, i will look for the blinking light and make a note)
[02:48] <othomas> just wondering if it was doing hardware stuff
[02:48] <fluffybunny_> this didn't used to be a problem
[02:48] <fluffybunny_> is a new problem
[02:49] <fluffybunny_> newish
[02:49] <fluffybunny_> (about a week or so)
[02:49] <othomas> oh, with same install..
[02:49] <burepe>  BlankB: I still got the kynaptic synaptic crashing problem. same symptoms. Recommendatios?
[02:50] <fluffybunny_> othomas: well... i did update a few things (synaptic)... but I also installed a few new things, played around in the boot scripts 
[02:50] <fluffybunny_> othomas: I think I broke somethign
[02:50] <fluffybunny_> othomas: and I can't find a list of default boot scripts so I can switch on whatever I switched off... :(
[02:51] <MrFaber> burepe: I wouldn't use kynaptic at all, it is not good. Synaptic is much mor better.
[02:51] <MrFaber> burepe: when does it crash?
[02:51] <burepe> when it starts
[02:52] <MrFaber> Kynaptic and Synaptic too?
[02:52] <burepe> I do the password, it blinks in the task bar and crash
[02:52] <burepe> yes
[02:52] <MrFaber> But all other sudo tasks work?
[02:52] <burepe> for example what?
[02:52] <burepe> give me one to run
[02:52] <MrFaber> hm
[02:52] <MrFaber> just a test
[02:52] <MrFaber> open console
[02:53] <MrFaber> and give in
[02:53] <MrFaber> sudo synaptic
[02:53] <MrFaber> maybe you have luck :)
[02:53] <burepe> crash
[02:53] <MrFaber> What is the error message?
[02:53] <burepe> Segmentation fault
[02:54] <MrFaber> burepe: start user manager
[02:54] <burepe> for synaptic
[02:54] <MrFaber> you need sudo fir it too
[02:54] <MrFaber> under System
[02:54] <MrFaber> called KUser
[02:54] <burepe> KCrash: Application 'kynaptic' crashing...
[02:54] <burepe>  for kynaptic
[02:55] <MrFaber> Does kuser works?
[02:55] <burepe> yeah
[02:56] <burepe> yeah/
[02:56] <burepe> What now?
[02:56] <kartug> hey sorry but i gotte ask again...anybody know their way around Grub?
[02:56] <MrFaber> maybe your debian database is damaged
[02:56] <burepe> really
[02:56] <burepe> that sucks
[02:56] <MrFaber> kartug: lilo?
[02:56] <MrFaber> burepe: does apt-get works?
[02:57] <MrFaber> If you install something with apt-get?
[02:57] <burepe> Give me a program to install
[02:57] <Chambers`> hey guys, where do we post problems with the latest beta live cd?
[02:57] <burepe> i don't really know any 
[02:57] <MrFaber> sudo apt-get install mozilla-thunderbird
[02:57] <MrFaber> :)
[02:57] <burepe> cool
[02:57] <Chambers`> cause it keeps disabling my wireless connection for some reason
[02:58] <kartug> nope :)...grub boot loader 
[02:58] <burepe> Segmentation faulty Tree... 50%
[02:58] <kartug> :)
[02:58] <MrFaber> Chambers, have you updated your system?
[02:58] <kartug> just got a general question
[02:58] <MrFaber> burepe: that's the problem
[02:58] <Chambers`> MrFaber: I'm just running the LiveCD
[02:58] <MrFaber> Chambers, many things have been fixed
[02:58] <MrFaber> e.g. usb sticks doesn't work with it
[02:58] <MrFaber> but after update it works fine
[02:58] <Chambers`> 5.4 release candidate livecd
[02:59] <Chambers`> ok, i will run the update
[02:59] <MrFaber> burepe: Ask an expert how to update or repair database. I am no debian expert :)
[02:59] <MrFaber> Chambers`: you can't with live CD afaik
[03:00] <Chambers`> oh wait..lol, i can't run the update cause my network cards are disabled..lol
[03:00] <MrFaber> You have to download 80 MB or something like that
[03:00] <MrFaber> LOL
[03:00] <Chambers`> guess i'll wait for another livecd :P
[03:00] <MrFaber> Chambers`: maybe for the final one :)
[03:00] <burepe> Segmentation faulty Tree... 50%?
[03:00] <Chambers`> exactly :)
[03:01] <MrFaber> burepe: it seems that you package database is damaged but I have no clue how to update since I am new to debian
[03:01] <MrFaber> maybe google can help you or someone in this or #ubuntu channel
[03:01] <burepe> Could it be caused by the extra repositories that I added from the unofficial ubuntu starter guide?
[03:01] <MrFaber> I don't know
[03:01] <Chambers`> do the devs plan to include support for volume buttons on laptops?  I have a volume up/down/mute button that doesn't work with the livecd
[03:02] <burepe> Do you think I should just reinstall or try to fix it
[03:02] <MrFaber> Chambers`: it works
[03:02] <burepe> ?
[03:02] <MrFaber> at least with ubunut Chambers` 
[03:02] <MrFaber> Chambers`: which laptop do you have?
[03:02] <Chambers`> and the volume bar in the systray comes up when the buttons are used?
[03:02] <MrFaber> burepe: I would try to fix it
[03:02] <MrFaber> burepe: Ubuntu is not windows :)
[03:02] <Chambers`> it's a Compaq Presario 1.4 Centrino
[03:03] <MrFaber> burepe: I don't know how but it shouldn't be to hard
[03:03] <burepe> what do you mean?
[03:03] <burepe> I have a crashing firefox too
[03:03] <burepe> any suggestions on that
[03:03] <MrFaber> burepe: ask someone who have some debian experience and I am sure that he can help you to repair your database in some seconds or minutes :)
[03:03] <burepe> ok
[03:03] <burepe> cool thanks
[03:03] <MrFaber> burepe: or maybe google
[03:04] <MrFaber> burepe: np
[03:04] <MrFaber> Chambers`: you use live cd?
[03:04] <Chambers`> MrFaber: yes i do
[03:04] <MrFaber> You can set your keys under System Settings
[03:04] <McScruff> lo
[03:05] <Chambers`> really?
[03:05] <Chambers`> let me try
[03:05] <MrFaber> than Regional
[03:05] <McScruff> i have just installed kxdocker, but how do i get it to run :S
[03:05] <MrFaber> Chambers`: than keyboard layout
[03:05] <MrFaber> Why are there two Chambers? :O
[03:06] <MrFaber> that is annoying :)
[03:06] <Chambers`> i'm at work with this one, the other is at home :)
[03:07] <MrFaber> LOL
[03:07] <Chambers`> so what else do I do?  I don't know what these volume buttons are (it just has volume on the key)  not really sure what button combinations they do when pressed
[03:07] <MrFaber> Ok, Chambers, found it?
[03:07] <Chambers`> maybe
[03:08] <MrFaber> you have to choose your keyboard modell
[03:08] <Chambers`> ahh
[03:08] <Chambers`> how cool, i never knew this existed
[03:08] <MrFaber> it works with my Inspiron Laptop
[03:08] <Chambers`> it works
[03:08] <Chambers`> you rock!
[03:08] <MrFaber> With ubuntu it works out of the box but I think that they will fix it
[03:09] <Chambers`> thanks so much :)
[03:09] <MrFaber> np, someone helped me too with it some days ago
[03:10] <nxv_> i have gtk-sharp2-examples installed, but i cant find those examples only changelog under /usr/share/doc/
[03:10] <Chambers`> does a bar come up for you when you raise volume?
[03:10] <MrFaber> yes
[03:11] <Chambers`> cause i pressed mute and it says "mute on"  but when i raise volume nothing comes up
[03:11] <apokryphos> No more ads for Opera, ever! Wow.
[03:11] <Chambers`> apokryphos: what do you mean?
[03:11] <MrFaber> You have to unmute it I think
[03:11] <Chambers`> i did unmute
[03:11] <apokryphos> Chambers-: http://www.opera.com/pressreleases/en/2005/09/20/
[03:11] <nxv_> how do i find out which files where in a packages i installed?
[03:11] <MrFaber> Chambers`: both works for me, unmute and increase sound while muted
[03:12] <abdeslam> hi every1
[03:12] <Chambers`> hmm...wierd
[03:12] <MrFaber> Chambers`: but the live cd seems to have some serious bugs
[03:12] <Chambers`> i will try a different keyboard layout
[03:12] <MrFaber> Chambers`: I wouldn't if you keys work
[03:12] <Chambers`> yeah, plus it's a release candidate also
[03:12] <MrFaber> it seems to be a softwar problem
[03:12] <abdeslam> can some1 help me with this kopete?
[03:13] <nxv_> afaik those speacial buttons for sound brightness etc need acpi to work 
[03:13] <nxv_> keyboard layouts only help with deadkey problems
[03:13] <Chambers`> does kde have a mount/unmount administration gui?
[03:13] <MrFaber> nxv_ no
[03:13] <nxv_> and u can use xev to test if extrabuttons on your notebook like for mail internet etc are recognized by xserver
[03:13] <MrFaber> it just a defination problem
[03:13] <MrFaber> but I have to go
[03:13] <MrFaber> bbl
[03:14] <kartug> hmm...not my day today :s...ok last try...anyone here who can help me with a trivial Grub question?
[03:16] <Chambers`> linux needs to adopt the idea of Apple's dmg files, that would fix the headache of installing stuff
[03:17] <nalioth_zZz> Chambers`: each method has it's pros and cons
[03:17] <Chambers`> true, Apple's method can really eat up hdd space
[03:17] <Chambers`> because it doesn't care if a certain library is already installed
[03:18] <Chambers`> because it's already in the dmg
[03:18] <nxv_> which apt command shows me which files are included in a package?
[03:19] <burepe> MrFaber: I am stupid. It was as simple as apt-get update. live and learn, right?
[03:19] <Kejk_PL> nxv_: try packages.ubuntu.com
[03:19] <slow-motion> hallo
[03:20] <nxv_> Kejk_PL: i did, but it is in backports: gtk-sharp2-examples is the package name
[03:20] <nxv_> hi slow-motion 
[03:20] <slow-motion> hi nxv_ 
[03:21] <Kejk_PL> nxv_: I forgot apt- command, I'm using "mc" and kpackage for it
[03:22] <nxv_> mc = midnight commander?
[03:22] <apokryphos> yuck :D
[03:24] <Kejk_PL> nxv_: yes
[03:25] <burepe> can someone tell me how to install firefox? I added extra repositories from the unofficial ubuntu starter guide 5.04, but I keep getting errors that the file doesn't exist.
[03:25] <aftertaf> kartug:  what is your trivial pursuit grub question?
[03:26] <aftertaf> burepe:  what des apt-cache search firefox give you?
[03:26] <Kejk_PL> nxv_: dpkg --contents file.deb
[03:26] <aftertaf> s/Des/does
[03:26] <Kejk_PL> dpkg -L package   # show files of package
[03:27] <Kejk_PL> nxv_: dpkg -L package   # show files of package
[03:27] <apokryphos> burepe: you don't need to add any extra repositories. Make sure you disable backports, then sudo aptitude update && sudo aptitude install mozilla-firefox
[03:27] <nxv_> Kejk_PL: thx a lot
[03:28] <Kejk_PL> nxv_:  NP, BTW, I found it on google and in man pages :)
[03:29] <nxv_> i was to focused on the apt-cache manpage
[03:29] <nxv_> and already started updating apt-file
[03:29] <nxv_> but apt-file is for finding the package in which a file is some other prog needs
[03:30] <Kejk_PL> nxv_: hehe, it was my first thought too :P
[03:30] <nxv_> don't know if it works the other way round
[03:30] <Kejk_PL> I was surprised too by using dpkg
[03:32] <burepe> apokryphos: how do I disable backports and what are they?
[03:32] <apokryphos> burepe: backports is a repository; you disable it by commenting it out in /etc/apt/sources.list. Just put a # in front of them
[03:33] <burepe> I mean how is it different from a normal repository? What is its function?
[03:34] <nxv_> backports are newer versions of progs not already in the stable branch
[03:34] <nxv_> some one build them to work with the libs in the current release
[03:34] <nxv_> so u could use programms without having to switch to testin/unstable
[03:34] <burepe> ok thanks
[03:39] <arele> nass
[03:43] <burepe> apokryphos: Thanks. what is aptitude exactly? Also, firefox installed but it is crashing, any suggestions?
[03:44] <apokryphos> burepe: aptitude is just another front-end to apt; like apt-get, but with a few differences. You can use whichever you like, really. 
[03:44] <apokryphos> it's "crashing"?
[03:44] <burepe> yeah blip in the task bar with the bouncing thing and nothing
[03:44] <burepe> and then nothing I mean
[03:45] <apokryphos> burepe: this has happened multiple times? But the installation went ok? No errors?
[03:45] <apokryphos> What's the exact version of the package?
[03:46] <burepe> sudo aptitude install mozilla-firefox
[03:47] <burepe> I am not sure
[03:47] <burepe> how do I check the version?
[03:47] <apokryphos> burepe: dpgk -l|grep mozilla-firefox
[03:48] <burepe> this is the error
[03:48] <burepe> burepe@gikochinai:~$ sudo firefox
[03:48] <burepe> You should really not run firefox through sudo WITHOUT the -H option.
[03:48] <burepe> Anyway, I'll do as if you did use the -H option.
[03:48] <burepe> Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server
[03:48] <burepe> Xlib: No protocol specified
[03:48] <burepe> (firefox-bin:7934): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display:
[03:48] <burepe> burepe@gikochinai:~$                          
[03:48] <apokryphos> burepe: don't paste in here; you should use a pastebin.
[03:48] <apokryphos> Why the heck are you running firefox with sudo? =)
[03:49] <burepe> to try to find the error
[03:49] <burepe> This is new to me
[03:49] <apokryphos> that would certainly only produce more errors; you only ever run things with sudo when you want to use root priveleges
[03:49] <apokryphos> burepe: let me know the version number, then run plain firefox in a terminal, and pastebin the output of it
[03:49] <aftertaf> burepe:  we all learn sth new every day..... :D
[03:50] <burepe> it says the command you gave me doesn't exist
[03:50] <apokryphos> You didn't put it in correctly then :)
[03:51] <burepe> copy and paste
[03:51] <burepe>  dpgk -l|grep mozilla-firefox
[03:52] <apokryphos> gah, typo
[03:52] <apokryphos> dpkg -l|grep firefox
[03:52] <burepe> it just returns
[03:52] <burepe> no output
[03:53] <burepe> where do I find a pastebin
[03:53] <aftertaf> !paste
[03:53] <ubotu> hmm... paste is please use http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/ or #flood to paste large amounts of text
[03:53] <apokryphos> mozilla-firefox is more specific, if you put it in that command, but doesn't really matter
[03:54] <burepe> i did firefox alone and the profile manager came up
[03:54] <apokryphos> burepe: close other instances of firefox first of course
[03:55] <burepe> there are none that I know of
[03:55] <apokryphos> ps aux|grep firefox   to see if any are running
[03:56] <burepe> system process says one is running
[03:56] <burepe> i just killed it
[04:00] <burepe> dpkg -l|grep firefox and mozilla-firefox just return. no out put. when I run firefox from the command line the choose user profile dialog comes up. And it appears that there was no other occurance running before I started it. If I run firefox from the menu nothing happens.
[04:01] <apokryphos> they *do* give output
[04:01] <burepe> It says that the defaut profile is in use, so I tried to make another profile and run that and it just disappeared.
[04:02] <burepe> dpkg -l|grep firefox and mozilla-firefox just return. no out put. when I run firefox from the command line the choose user profile dialog comes up. And it appears that there was no other occurance running before I started it. If I run firefox from the menu nothing happens./
[04:02] <burepe> oops
[04:02] <burepe> Japanese keyboard
[04:02] <burepe> Where do I find that output?
[04:02] <apokryphos> burepe: please pastebin the output of dpkg -l|grep mozilla-firefox
[04:03] <burepe> nothing happens
[04:03] <burepe> it just returns.
[04:04] <burepe>  to burepe@gikochinai:~$
[04:04] <apokryphos> burepe: are you on hoary?
[04:04] <burepe> yes
[04:04] <burepe> 5.04
[04:04] <apokryphos> dpkg -l displays the list of packages, grepping it limits it to mozilla-firefox
[04:04] <apokryphos> you'd only get no output if you didn't have mozilla-firefox installed
[04:05] <burepe> the profile manager comes up and I watched it install
[04:05] <apokryphos> burepe: you sure you didn't install this from their site or something?
[04:06] <burepe> I had the repositories that came in the install and I added the extra repositories from the unofficial userguide
[04:06] <apokryphos> gah
[04:06] <apokryphos> !ubuntuguide
[04:06] <ubotu> well, ubuntuguide is out of date, breaks PCs and doesn't explain anything. The official FAQ Guide, which is based on ubuntuguide will soon be the help menu in Breezy. For more information see !faq.
[04:06] <burepe> ok
[04:07] <burepe> I used it months ago and it made everying easier
[04:07] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol. ubotu owns ubuntuguide :D
[04:07] <burepe> so what should i do?
[04:07] <apokryphos> in all the wrong ways 8)
[04:07] <burepe> ha
[04:07] <Kamping_Kaiser> !tell Kamping_Kaiser about faq
[04:08] <apokryphos> burepe: apt-cache show mozilla-firefox|grep version
[04:08] <apokryphos> burepe: apt-cache show mozilla-firefox|grep Version
[04:08] <apokryphos> (uppercase is important)
[04:09] <burepe> I sent it to the paste bin
[04:10] <apokryphos> link?
[04:10] <burepe> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2374
[04:11] <apokryphos> burepe: pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list
[04:13] <burepe> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2375
[04:14] <burepe> there it is 
[04:15] <burepe> do you think I screwed my system? I've been having various problems. Especially with Gnome.
[04:17] <apokryphos> burepe: disable the two lines with hoary-updates, then sudo apt-get remove mozilla-firefox && sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install mozilla-firefox
[04:25] <burepe> worked like a charm. thank you so much.
[04:25] <apokryphos> cool
[04:27] <burepe> I installed a lot of stuff with thoes repostitories. If I have problems with other applications should I just follow the steps that you gave me? in install update  and reinstall?
[04:28] <apokryphos> Nah
[04:28] <apokryphos> They're generally ok; just the firefox is a known problem
[04:29] <burepe> oh 
[04:30] <burepe> I have been having problems with gnome. should I do that one?
[04:31] <burepe> I also tried installing apache2 and mysql from the unofficial users guide. Do you think that might become a problem?
[04:31] <apokryphos> Nope
[04:31] <apokryphos> I'm not sure how they tried to install it
[04:31] <apokryphos> It's pretty standard though; just install apache2 package
[04:32] <burepe> They didn't go over to well so I was like "uh oh"
[04:33] <burepe> Thans again for your help.
[04:33] <apokryphos> burepe: running gnome there is a pretty big bug though; did the ubuntuguide advise that? ;-)
[04:33] <burepe> no
[04:33] <burepe> the guide is for gnome so it is tricky sometimes since I have a kde install
[04:33] <apokryphos> burepe: /topic =)
[04:34] <burepe> What do you mean?
[04:35] <apokryphos> burepe: there's a Kubuntu FAQ =)
[04:35] <burepe> really
[04:35] <burepe> ?
[04:35] <burepe> I didn't know that. Is that out of date too?
[04:36] <apokryphos> it's better :D
[04:36] <burepe> You said that there was going to be a new one for breezy. When does that come out and if I use it am I gonna mess stuff up?
[04:37] <burepe> is this the right faq http://kudos.berlios.de/kf/kf1.html
[04:39] <burepe> very nice. really, thanks again
[04:41] <apokryphos> yeah
[05:18] <Pyf> i just installed php and apache and all that jazz, how do i set up a database and give myself a database username etc....?
[05:19] <verwilst> Pyf: phpmyadmin is cool for that
[05:21] <Pyf> cheers
[05:40] <chx> after mv * I got -bash: /bin/mv: Argument list too long
[05:40] <chx> any ideas of how to move a few files fast?
[05:45] <zAo^> what is an EASY program to make websites?
[05:45] <zAo^> with some templates or so
[05:49] <libben> sup all
[06:15] <arentie> Is there a way to install Xen on Kubuntu?  If so, how?
[06:16] <op> Is there a way to reformat one of my ntfs drive into a fat32 drive in linux without loosing the data
[06:17] <chase> hay, can anyone tell me what the address is for kubuntus APT source? i know there is an uptodate KDE running somewhere but i dont know the apt-get source?
[06:18] <BlankB> op: make a backup. Its the only way to be safe.
[06:18] <op> okay then how do i format the drive as fat32?
[06:18] <BlankB> op: I know of no way to go from ntfs to fat32 without wiping the partition at the same time.
[06:19] <op> that is fine how do i do it with the partition wipe
[06:19] <op> i can back up the stuff on it
[06:21] <BlankB> have a look at man mkfs.vfat 
[06:21] <op> okay thanks
[06:22] <BlankB> But do make a backup to external media before proceeding. Hate to see you lose anything.
[06:22] <op> i am making the backup now thanks so much
[06:24] <sveri> hi, i want to add a kolab resource in the control center under kde resources, but its not available, but after the kolab doc it should be available there, can somebody explain this to me?
[06:50] <othomas> hi all
[06:55] <MrFaber> hi all
[06:56] <jjesse> hello MrFaber 
[06:56] <MrFaber> hi jjesse 
[07:03] <MrFaber> Where can I post Feature Requests for Ubuntu?
[07:06] <apokryphos> MrFaber: on the wiki; go to wiki.ubuntu.com/Kubuntu -- there's a link to the page there
[07:07] <JabberWokky> Uhhh... dumb question.  If one were to accidently remove apt, is there an easy way to reinstall it?  (That's a lession learned).
[07:08] <JabberWokky> I can dpkg -i the files I guess, but is there a nice list to go through or pointers anybody can offer?
[07:08] <MrFaber> apokryphos: thanks
[07:08] <JabberWokky> (For the record, I was trying to uninstall Adept and reinstall kynaptic)
[07:08] <apokryphos> hah
[07:08] <apokryphos> JabberWokky: you'd have to manually dpkg -i I guess
[07:09] <apokryphos> why would you want to go back to Kynaptic though?
[07:09] <JabberWokky> Yeah... I just need to figure out what I need to install.  Since I no longer have a nice smart system to figure that out for me.
[07:09] <JabberWokky> Or aptitude... just something nice to browse through package lists and poke around.
[07:11] <apokryphos> JabberWokky: check the things it removed
[07:11] <apokryphos> I doubt it removed a lot; only a few .debs I'd imagine
[07:12] <JabberWokky> Yup.  I'm working on it, and will likely be able to do it... Iwas checking if there was a backup utility to fix this or even just a document that had the "So, you went and removed apt" instructions.
[07:12] <JabberWokky> Google isn't helpful when you are looking to "install" "apt"
[07:13] <apokryphos> I seriously doubt it
[07:13] <apokryphos> it's not common procedure 8)
[07:17] <spiral> hi
[07:17] <JabberWokky> That was painless.
[07:17] <JabberWokky> I feel bad having asked... installed the one deb, and then apt-get installed the list it told me it had removed.  Thanks for the help anyway.  :)
[07:18] <JabberWokky> I was expecting a much more involved procedure. 
[07:21] <apokryphos> haha, nah; good to hear it went ok 8)
[07:25] <godzero> is the a update notifier for kde?
[07:26] <seth_k> godzero, there is not to my knowledge.
[07:27] <godzero> k
[07:27] <BlankB> will the notifier from ubuntu work in kubuntu?
[07:27] <seth_k> methinks not... the ubuntu one talks directly to gnome-panel, doesn't it?
[07:27] <seth_k> I know that an update notifier is in the works for kubuntu
[07:28] <slow-motion> re
[07:28] <BlankB> seth_k: what is the one in the works called? I would like to see what state it is in.
[07:28] <seth_k> BlankB, I don't think it's far enough along to be "in the works" :P I don't think it really exists yet
[07:28] <BlankB> hehe.. Understood.
[07:29] <BlankB> should be easy to write.
[07:30] <seth_k> yay, I finally heard back on getting bumped into the Ubuntu Members group
[07:30] <seth_k> about time, I was only confirmed in July... :P
[07:31] <BlankB> can kdialog open something in the 'systray'?
[07:32] <bazan> I feel my system generaly slow
[07:33] <bazan> how can I monitor/profile whats happening?
[07:33] <BlankB> in a shell use top
[07:35] <godzero> bazan: If you prefer a gui one, ksysgaurd is good too
[07:38] <BlankB> what steps are invloved in putting an icon in the system tray. I'm looking at kdialog and dcop...am I on the right trail?
[07:40] <othomas> do you mean add to the panel?
[07:42] <BlankB> I wanted to see how difficult it would be to write an update notifier and have it show up in the 'system tray'
[07:42] <othomas> oh ok..no idea there..
[07:42] <apokryphos> BlankB: you'd use ksystraycmd
[07:42] <apokryphos> BlankB: check through the KDE Userguide; there's a few quick pointers on it there.
[07:43] <apokryphos> and some advanced usages, IIRC>
[07:43] <BlankB> thanks...thats the kind of stuff its hard to search for... I didnt know what the name was. Ive been searching google for 10 mins and didnt run across it.
[07:44] <apokryphos> The Userguide is always a good place to start; every KDE user should read through it 8)
[07:47] <BlankB> by kde user guide you mean the one when you go to K-> Help -> "KDE Users' Manual" ?
[07:47] <godzero> I thiought about setting up a cron job to "apt-get update && apt-get upgrade", but I like to know what I just installed for error tracking & curiosity
[07:47] <othomas> and, after you read it when stuff still don't work then you read it and do what it says
[07:48] <BlankB> I'm thinking about the same thing but instead of doing apt-get update then checking to see if updates are available.... if they are then notify via system tray.
[07:49] <apokryphos> BlankB: the one in help:/khelpcenter/userguide 
[07:49] <apokryphos> (in Konqueror)
[07:49] <godzero> maybe run apt-get update, then synaptic with the "upgradabel" pane open
[07:49] <godzero> upgradeable
[07:49] <Tm_T> noooo
[07:50] <BlankB> how many pages is the userguide? is it available as a single printable file?
[07:50] <Tm_T> no gui, no way
[07:51] <DaSkreech> any one runs music across the network>
[07:51] <DaSkreech> I want to be able to have a lightweight web server so I can stream my music across the network
[07:51] <DaSkreech> Any Suggestions?
[07:51] <godzero> Tm_T: thoughts?
[07:51] <apokryphos> BlankB: it's quite a few :D. Though, with the new advances you can get it as PDF now IIRC
[07:52] <BlankB> daskreech: I have used icecast and shoutcast in the past with success. 
[07:52] <godzero> DaSkreech: there's a few to choose from, what format.. etc
[07:52] <DaSkreech> BlankB: Ah Those point to actual files or can they use a database?
[07:52] <DaSkreech> godzero: Of Music?
[07:53] <Tm_T> DaSkreech: how about amaroK&shouter
[07:53] <godzero> yes: the streamer has to read the metadata to know how fast to streem
[07:53] <DaSkreech> Oh.
[07:53] <BlankB> http://www.icecast.org/ its a streaming media server. 
[07:54] <DaSkreech> Mp3/ ogg  AND WAVS mostly
[07:54] <DaSkreech> godzero: Some video files but I'll take things one step at a time
[07:54] <Tm_T> icecast is good choice
[07:54] <Tm_T> hmh, away ->
[07:55] <DaSkreech> Tm_T: It can read the amarok database?
[07:55] <BlankB> daskreech: are you talking about streaming them or just having the files available across the network?
[07:57] <godzero> I think he just wants to bypass the whole "download the whole friggin file before play" issue
[07:59] <BlankB> godzero: what is the download before play issue?
[08:00] <godzero> BlankB: say you browse to a internet site, you see a .ogg, right click "open with app".. the file downloads to /temp.. then it plays the file from temp
[08:02] <godzero> icecast is good for a webinterface, but vls would work too, one as server, one as client
[08:02] <godzero> vlc
[08:04] <DaSkreech> BlankB: Well if I could have both that would be very cool :-)
[08:04] <BlankB> godzero: couldnt you just make a .pls on the server that just has a link to the .ogg file. Then the player would stream and play it from the server.
[08:05] <DaSkreech> Thats not really an option when you have a whole lotta music
[08:06] <BlankB> why not... just write a php script that generates .pls files dynamically. Or if the server is local just share it across a samba share.
[08:06] <BlankB> I think I am missing something about what you are trying to do.
[08:06] <DaSkreech> well thats what winamp does So i guess ...
[08:06] <arentie> Does anyone know of good doucmentation on how to install Xen?
[08:07] <Dark_Sith> hello people 
[08:08] <othomas> arentie, this will get you started  http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Xen_Install
[08:09] <arentie> othomas, thank you! :)
[08:09] <godzero> DaSkreech: what we're having a problem with is that your question can be interpretad as "I want to serve files from my closet to my livingroom" all the way to "I'm setting up a huge web site with streaming pay content"
[08:09] <othomas>  :)
[08:10] <BlankB> godzero: yeah.
[08:10] <BlankB> daksreech: could you redefine your problem.
[08:11] <othomas> DaSkreech, are you wanting to DJ an online radio station?
[08:11] <arentie> othomas, this link will work with kubuntu?
[08:13] <elvirolo> hi all
[08:13] <elvirolo> i suppose KDE 3.5 beta1 won't come into the main repos, will it ?
[08:13] <seth_k> elvirolo, http://kubuntu.org/kde35beta1/
[08:14] <seth_k> riddell made packages
[08:14] <elvirolo> actually i saw them on ftp.kde.org :)
[08:15] <elvirolo> is it safe to use them ? (i'm not talking of stability here, i just want to know whether i'll be able to upgrade easily to breezy final when it's out)
[08:15] <BlankB> so the kde user guide on my hdd says revision 0.0.1 2004-06-16 but the one on kde.org says version 3.00.00 and is copyright 2000-2002 which one is more current?
[08:18] <seth_k> elvirolo, methinks yes, they're straight from Riddell
[08:18] <BlankB> and why are they so out of sync?
[08:18] <seth_k> so he wouldn't make non-upgradeable packages
[08:18] <elvirolo> ok thanks :)
[08:19] <DaSkreech> othomas: No Just an office Jukebox 
[08:21] <DaSkreech> Essentially I'd like a database of media that I can organize and edit search etc. Then have that streamed across the network to some small number of remote computers
[08:21] <elvirolo> i've just finished installing them :)
[08:21] <arentie> I'm trying to install Xen...where can I install twisted-web?
[08:21] <DaSkreech> If they can download a file at their choice that would be pretty cool as well
[08:21] <godzero> DaSkreech: share a directory foll of content with samba, and then you can just click on the file fron across the network
[08:22] <DaSkreech> It's on 5 hard drives
[08:22] <BlankB> mount all 5 hdd's on one server then share that back as 1 big drive.
[08:24] <DaSkreech> Well as they stand now one particular file is pretty hard to find
[08:24] <DaSkreech> And there are always the ones you forget until you see them so a Web page would be pretty ideal for me
[08:24] <DaSkreech> has any seen how Winamp does it?
[08:25] <godzero> If you add the remote drives to amarok's collection area, amarokwill organize it in the interface
[08:25] <BlankB> nothing says a url on a website cant have a local path. 
[08:25] <DaSkreech> BlankB: ?
[08:26] <DaSkreech> godzero: Thats true but a website would allow anyone who comes in to sit down and stream something they like with no fuss
[08:26] <DaSkreech> It's universal and needs no explanation
[08:27] <godzero> nope, still easy
[08:27] <godzero> apache, plus icecast
[08:28] <DaSkreech> Ah
[08:28] <DaSkreech> And a PHP script?
[08:29] <godzero> sure, php scripts are allover the net for stuff like that
[08:29] <_blank> <a
[08:29] <_blank> href="/home/blank/komba/CLONUS/music/music/mpd1/80s/A-Ha/A-ha_-_Take_On_Me.mp3">file.mp3</a>
[08:30] <DaSkreech> So I just need the PHP script to read from amaroks' database then
[08:30] <DaSkreech> Cool
[08:30] <_blank> that is across a samba share and I browsed a html file with that link.  It opened xmms and played the file.
[08:30] <mianos> hi
[08:31] <mianos> i've downloaded a package from kde-apps.org (it was kding) - it is for (Kubuntu 5.04 i386 package)"! but when trying to install it - dpkg says that it needs kde3.4.2
[08:31] <mianos> what? is kde 3.4.2 available for ubuntu?
[08:32] <godzero> I was using 3.4.2 in 5.04
[08:32] <godzero> had to add a repo to sources.list
[08:34] <godzero_away> next year, summer maybe
[08:36] <_blank> so there are 2 documents pretending to be the kde userguide one at http://www.kde.org/documentation/userguide/ and one at  http://docs.kde.org/development/en/kdebase/userguide/
[08:36] <godzero_away> to get kde 3.4.2 ad this to sources.list: deb http://kubuntu.org/hoary-kde342 hoary-updates main
[08:38] <_blank> how am i supposed to know which one to read. the one that looks older has a newer version #. 8(
[08:38] <Mirussa> is kde 3.4.2 that much better than the earlier release?
[08:49] <frank> Mirussa: there is not a huge difference between kde 3.4.2 from 3.4.1 but if you still have 3.4.0 I suggest you switch since it fixes the frequent Konqueror crashes 
[08:51] <lotusleaf> I have gtk-qt installed after installing kubuntu in ubuntu hoary but when I load konq to change the preferences via look n feel the gtk icon doesnt show up, this happened after I ran k3b as root, how may I correct this so I can have normal fonts in gtk apps please? :-)
[08:55] <lotusleaf> >.<
[08:56] <elvirolo> it looks like kopete hasn't been packaged
[08:58] <lotusleaf> this has to be simple
[08:58] <lotusleaf> I duuuunnt wanna post to the foruuummss abuutt diss.. whurrzz me haggis?
[09:15] <lotusleaf> I have gtk-qt installed after installing kubuntu in ubuntu hoary but when I load konq to change the preferences via look n feel the gtk icon doesnt show up, this happened after I ran k3b as root, how may I correct this so I can have normal fonts in gtk apps please?
[09:16] <apokryphos> lotusleaf: the option is in kcontrol, not konq
[09:17] <lotusleaf> apokryphos, in look and feel right?
[09:17] <lotusleaf> aaaahhhhh
[09:17] <lotusleaf> ooooohhhhhhh
[09:17] <lotusleaf> apokryphos, you said the magic words!
[09:17] <lotusleaf> it wasn't there earlier.. how odd
[09:17] <lotusleaf> it just.. appeared with your advice
[09:19] <apokryphos> lotusleaf: heh, np :)
[09:20] <lotusleaf> apokryphos, ;)
[09:24] <BlankB> are there any docs for ksystraycmd?
[09:25] <apokryphos> BlankB: the userguide has quite a bit, as I said =)
[09:25] <apokryphos> well, not too much, but probably enough to get it working, I imagine
[09:26] <BlankB> Yeah I read it...its got 1.5 pages of info. A couple examples but no docs. 
[09:36] <porter235> If i wanted to run katapult on the current kubuntu, what steps would I have to take.. 
[09:37] <apokryphos> install it, alt+f2 -> katapult
[09:37] <porter235> :)
[09:37] <porter235> thanks man.
[09:37] <porter235> where do I get it... do i have to download a crap load of dependencies i don't have yet? is there a klik distribution of it?
[09:38] <porter235> https://developer.berlios.de/project/showfiles.php?group_id=4243 shows no files
[09:38] <porter235> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Katapult?highlight=%28katapult%29 gives no info
[09:38] <apokryphos> no crapload of dependencies
[09:39] <apokryphos> I guess you can't apt for it if you're on hoary
[09:39] <apokryphos> But you can always just get it from kde-apps. Re: klik, I don't know -- check.
[09:39] <porter235> i will check kde-apps.
[09:39] <cheesie> Be Back Later
[09:41] <porter235> i would pref to apt-get it... which repository would i find it in?
[09:42] <apokryphos> porter235: it's not in apt for hoary; only for breezy. You could gamble with that if you like
[09:43] <porter235> understood
[09:44] <Jwir3> hey is there any way to set it up so that if I just hit the windows key, the menu will come up, without having to hit another key?
[09:45] <apokryphos> nope
[09:46] <Jwir3> damn that sucks heh
[09:46] <Jwir3> I suppose I could write a quick script to catch it
[09:47] <Jwir3> but that is way too much work lol
[09:48] <BlankB> Now I realise why nobody has written a update notifier for kde.
[09:49] <_michael> evening all
[09:50] <BlankB> I thought I could just write a little script to do it...no such luck.
[09:50] <_michael> anhyone in here who can help me get support for WMV files in Kubuntu ?
[09:51] <DaSkreech> Mplayer ... I think
[09:51] <DaSkreech> They may have been asked to stop but I'm not sure
[09:52] <_michael> hmm i tried in Kaffeine and Noatin but they both complain about missing codec.. Would it be solved in by installing Mplayer ?
[09:52] <DaSkreech> Currently yes
[09:52] <DaSkreech> Which is in Multiverse as I recall
[09:53] <_michael> cool Is it in the standardrepositories ?
[09:53] <_michael> ahh thanks
[09:53] <apokryphos> it certainly won't without w32codecs, no
[09:54] <apokryphos> don't entirely recall if it will with that, but it probably should
[09:54] <_michael> how do i get those codecs ?
[09:54] <apokryphos> hoary?
[09:54] <_michael> yep
[09:54] <apokryphos> get it from giannaros.org/public/hoarydebs/ then
[09:55] <apokryphos> w32codecs was taken out of hoary-extras a few days ago
[09:55] <_michael> typical :s
[09:55] <apokryphos> "Legal issues"
[09:55] <_michael> okay..
[09:56] <_michael> sorry if this is very noobish but how to install when i got the deb package downloadged ?
[09:57] <BlankB> dpkg -i filename.deb
[09:57] <_michael> thanks
[09:59] <DaSkreech> Whats the advantages of apt-* over dpkg?
[10:01] <_michael> excellent it works now :D
[10:01] <BlankB> hmmm...apt is used for managing working with a repository... dpkg is for working with a package.
[10:02] <_michael> thanks.. good to know there is always a place to get help for begginner such as myself
[10:02] <DaSkreech> _michael: Promote Theora :-)
[10:02] <DaSkreech> BlankB: k that was my understanding
[10:03] <_michael> DaSkreech: what do you mean by that ?
[10:04] <DaSkreech> _michael: Theora is a open source Video Codec so if someone is posting files Email them and ask them to support Theora :)
[10:05] <BlankB> I thought theora was alpha.
[10:05] <apokryphos> apt and dpkg are for different things, generally
[10:05] <MrFaber> What should I prefer, Arts or direct Alsa?
[10:06] <paines> hi
[10:06] <paines> playing around with kubuntu breezy pre release. could it be that libc is build without nptl support ?
[10:06] <BlankB> hmm looking at theora.org it looks like its further along than i knew.
[10:11] <_michael> bye for now. thanks for the help
[10:11] <DaSkreech> If I cancel a Download in apt will it resume from the start of the file or from where it had reached?
[10:12] <paines> DaSkreech, proceed.
[10:12] <paines> but sometimes it is borken and you have to delete it by hand
[10:12] <DaSkreech> Umm
[10:12] <DaSkreech> Ok
[10:12] <DaSkreech> Thanks
[10:12] <paines> np
[10:25] <wellso> hello everyone
[10:33] <othomas> hi all
[10:42] <godzero> shhhh... they're sleeping...
[10:43] <othomas> heh, apparently
[10:43] <godzero> now that I got my ati card working with fglrx, I'm gunna try torcs
[10:44] <othomas> oh good on getting it working...what is torcs
[10:44] <godzero> nascra 3d race game
[10:44] <godzero> nascar
[10:45] <othomas> you got the acceleration working as well?
[10:45] <godzero> yep
[10:45] <othomas>  :)
[10:45] <godzero> It was like 1 frame every 4 seconds
[10:47] <godzero> I'm apt-getting a bunch of stuff, so it'll be 15 minutes before I can try it... arg
[10:47] <othomas> bet that drove ya nuts
[10:47] <godzero> frame 1: go ....   .....  frame 2: wall
[10:48] <othomas> hi nikkia
[10:48] <godzero> I don't care if the game is only so-so, I wanna see 3d again
[10:49] <nikkia> godzero: torcs isn't really a game
[10:49] <DaSkreech> UT!! :)
[10:50] <nikkia> godzero: and its less of a game than Flight Simulation is on windows
[10:50] <nikkia> the cars are basically undrivable, the graphics never look anything like the screenshots on the web
[10:50] <godzero> in software render it looked like a playstation 1 game
[10:51] <godzero> that's all I'm expecting
[10:51] <nikkia> godzero: thats how it looks with 3d acceleration too, just faster :P
[10:55] <DaSkreech> Is Breezy stable?
[10:55] <othomas> hi nalioth
[10:55] <DaSkreech> I haven't done an update in a Week
[10:55] <nalioth> othomas: hody
[10:55] <nalioth> howdy all
[10:57] <DaSkreech> HI nalioth
[10:57] <nalioth> y'all doin alright today?
[10:59] <trigger> hi everyone, does anyone here know how to install java plugins for mozilla mplayer and transcode, and 
[10:59] <othomas> nalioth, good here thanks
[11:00] <nikkia> evening nalioth
[11:01] <nalioth> nikkia: salutations
[11:02] <Fiyawerx> hey all
[11:03] <trigger> does anyone here have experience watching tv on the monitor or using the tv as a monitor with the ati cards, that can explain me a few things? :)
[11:03] <nalioth> nikkia: on what? and was it a pleasurable waste or a stupid one?
[11:03] <nikkia> nalioth: stupid waste
[11:03] <nikkia> nalioth: i was trying to build a 'child in time' patch for my soft-synth, and couldn't get it to sound right
[11:04] <nikkia> nalioth: then realised that jon lord's b3 on that song is modified
[11:04] <nalioth> nikkia: you'll get it tomorry
[11:04] <nikkia> nalioth: no, i (sort of) know what to do to get it sounding right
[11:04] <nikkia> but it means modifying my code quite severely
[11:04] <godzero> what does that sound like?
[11:04] <nalioth> nikkia: be gentle
[11:04] <nikkia> godzero: what does what sound like ?
[11:05] <godzero> the effect you're trying to reproduce
[11:05] <seth_k|lappy> DaSkreech, it is unless you run an ATI card
[11:05] <nikkia> godzero: its just a hammond b3 :)
[11:06] <godzero> I used to hand draw waves for mu musid... usually used a bell of all things as a source
[11:06] <nikkia> godzero: the problem is, real B3s, and my soft-synth, use the 1' drawbar to determine percussion... jon lords doesn't, its probably using the 4' or 2' drawbars
[11:09] <DaSkreech> seth_k|lappy: Scuse?
[11:10] <seth_k|lappy> [15:55]  <DaSkreech> Is Breezy stable? --- you asked if it was stable; it is stable unless you run an ATI card
[11:10] <seth_k|lappy> the fglrx drivers in breezy are kinda naff as of last week
[11:10] <blackflag> hello all :-)
[11:11] <DaSkreech> seth_k|lappy: Ah Ok :) We run some kind of sis on vboard card
[11:11] <blackflag> are here some routing experts?
[11:11] <seth_k|lappy> DaSkreech, then stable :) go for it :P
[11:11] <blackflag> TCP/IP ?
[11:11] <godzero> torcs ran ok, only 30fps @ 800x600 window... but good enough
[11:11] <morrow> anyone tested baghira as style with breezy?
[11:11] <DaSkreech> seth_k|lappy:  Well yeah I've been running it for a while but it used to update so much it was near driving me to depression
[11:11] <seth_k|lappy> DaSkreech, I update multiple times a day :P
[11:12] <othomas> godzero, good deal
[11:12] <DaSkreech> seth_k|lappy: I haven't had an update in a week
[11:12] <blackflag> I wnat to know something about the last mile!
[11:13] <blackflag> imagine: A wirelss internet over the city
[11:14] <blackflag> okay, you get a connection
[11:14] <Pyf> what repository would i need to apt-get azureus
[11:14] <blackflag> maybe 2 Mbit bthe first time
[11:14] <Pyf> or can anyone recommend a bit torrent client similar?
[11:15] <blackflag> and you want to connect over the houses
[11:15] <nalioth> Pyf: use bittorrent (regular client) it's already on your machine
[11:15] <godzero> pyf: the new ktorrent is simmilar, but I can't get it to work
[11:15] <Pyf> nalioth, im using the gnome one and i dont like it. it doesnt say how many ppl your connecting to....
[11:16] <blackflag> you get some oficial nets ( mayby some class c)
[11:16] <nalioth> Pyf: if you use it with "gnu screen" and the console bittorrent, you can have many torrents open at once, w/o the system load that azureus has
[11:16] <blackflag> how could you do  a good routing?
[11:16] <Pyf> nalioth, how do I use it with gnu screen?
[11:16] <godzero> az is great,but it eats, and eats, and.....
[11:17] <blackflag> ap to ap = private addresses
[11:17] <nalioth> Pyf: are you familiar with "gnu screen"
[11:17] <blackflag> and to the "custemors" an offizial IP
[11:17] <Pyf> nalioth, nope, not at all :)
[11:18] <blackflag> Is radius a good idea?
[11:18] <izut> I installed koffice now, and when I start any koffice application, I have a message like this: "koffice (lib kofficecore): ERROR: Couldn't find the native MimeType in kword's desktop file. Check your installation !"
[11:18] <izut> Any thoughts?
[11:18] <nalioth> Pyf: read these links on using 'screen' http://jmcpherson.org/screen.html http://www.macdevcenter.com/pub/a/mac/2004/07/06/unix_gems.html
[11:18] <godzero> hrm... installed a few 3d games to test fglrx.. but many don't hake entrys in the k menu
[11:19] <nalioth> Pyf: gnu screen is a wonderful productivity enhancing (yes torrenting is productive) terminal app
[11:19] <seth_k|lappy> godzero, a lot of the games don't... file bugs in launchpad about missing .desktop files
[11:20] <godzero> ya, but I can't remeber all the names now.. 
[11:20] <nalioth> seth_k|lappy: file a bug about packager laziness, you mean
[11:20] <godzero> pysol, torcs.. the rest I can't remeber
[11:20] <seth_k|lappy> in the end they are the same ;)
[11:21] <Pyf> nalioth, i think i prefer gui's
[11:22] <nalioth> Pyf: then use "btdownloadgui.py"
[11:23] <godzero> where's launchpad? I only know about bugzilla
[11:24] <nalioth> godzero: launchpad.ubuntu.com
[11:24] <godzero> tks
[11:25] <Pyf> nalioth, i dont think u understand that im a massive noob :)
[11:28] <DaSkreech> Whats adept?
[11:30] <nalioth> Pyf: 3 words: learn by doing
[11:31] <godzero> oh ya... 3d is _much_ better now
[11:33] <Pyf> nalioth, i am doing, i managed to install azureus last time... but now i get azureus: Depends: sun-j2sdk1.5 but it is not installable  when i try to apt-get it
[11:33] <nalioth> Pyf: i find java apps to be evil (java sucks system resources)
[11:34] <Fiyawerx> yeah azureus is my favorite but ouch on the memory it uses
[11:34] <Pyf> nalioth, im not too bothered about system resources :)
[11:34] <apokryphos> well, getting there.
[11:34] <godzero> sun java 1.5 requires gnu java to be removed iirc
[11:34] <nalioth> Pyf: well i wish i weren't bothered by system resources
[11:35] <nalioth> Pyf: hoary or breezy?
[11:35] <Pyf> hoary
[11:35] <BlankB> pyf: have you tried just using the version from off the azareus site without using something from apt.
[11:35] <godzero> get the gtk build of azureas
[11:36] <nalioths_dog> Pyf: for java: download the .bin file from java.sun.com, sudo apt-get install java-package, chmod +x [the .bin file] , fakeroot make-jpkg [the bin file] , sudo dpkg -i [the generated .deb file] 
[11:36] <BlankB> yeah...im using the linux gtk version of azureus.
[11:37] <apokryphos> nalioths_dog: unnecessary; there's a java repo out there
[11:37] <nalioth> Pyf: remove all gnu java crap you may have installed
[11:37] <nalioth> apokryphos: there are ?
[11:37] <apokryphos> !sunjava
[11:37] <ubotu> For Sun-Java debs add this line to your /etc/apt/sources.list (for hoary) deb http://ubuntu.tower-net.de/ubuntu/ hoary java  ; or go to seveas.ubuntulinux.nl (for Breezy)
[11:38] <nalioth> apokryphos: i thought they  were removed due to nondistribution legalities
[11:38] <izut> Hi. Where can I find the Luxi font family?
[11:38] <apokryphos> nalioth: they were; I found another (someone in here mentioned it, in fact).
[11:39] <blackflag> free Internet for all!!!!
[11:40] <Fiyawerx> yeah, and no support!
[11:40] <izut> Someone knows what package the Luxi fonts are?
[11:40] <blackflag> <<<<<<<<<<<<imagine
[11:40] <aseigo> .. all the people
[11:41] <Pyf> ill try the gtk version of azureus from the azureus site...
[11:42] <blackflag> fuck, what a dirty....
[11:42] <nalioths_dog> Pyf, if it doesnt see the sunjava, it wont matter where you get azureus
[11:42] <nalioth> blackflag: watch your language please
[11:44] <blackflag> okay, sometimes you have to get out...
[11:44] <blackflag> ... and why not ??
[11:44] <godzero> blackflag: something on your chest?
[11:44] <blackflag> what si chest??
[11:44] <blackflag> is
[11:46] <Fiyawerx> is there a list of !commands ?
[11:46] <apokryphos> Fiyawerx: for the obt?
[11:46] <apokryphos> *bot
[11:46] <Fiyawerx> yeah
[11:46] <apokryphos> Fiyawerx: /msg ubotu help
[11:46] <Fiyawerx> i know he has a lot of answers, but not if you dont know what to ask :)
[11:47] <apokryphos> Fiyawerx: oh, you mean list of factoids, then (not commands :p). Indeed, ther eis
[11:47] <apokryphos> !list
[11:47] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, list is you can see a list of things I know at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au or https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbotuUsage
[11:47] <blackflag> okay, (need some time for translation)in the moment not
[11:47] <blackflag> but let us do!!
[11:48] <godzero> do what?
[11:49] <blackflag> Internet for all and free..
[11:49] <Fiyawerx> hmm, i cant remember what i set my password to, heh
[11:49] <seth_k|lappy> ok blackflag, you pay for it and I'll use it
[11:49] <godzero> you got some copper you want to get rid of?
[11:50] <blackflag> no, I dont want to pay
[11:50] <seth_k|lappy> lol
[11:51] <godzero> I keep an open wifi for passers by.. I guess I'm doing my part. Noone's abused it yet.. so it stays open.
[11:51] <blackflag> but it has to be    after      ....personal contacts......
[11:53] <blackflag> so, how can someone like me do something and how is it about you?
[11:54] <Fiyawerx> hm
[11:56] <godzero> I think in 5-10 years, there'll be somay wifi cards, there'll be 2 internets. The wired one of today, and the peer to peer wireless one. All we really need is some good routing software
[11:56] <Fiyawerx> or everyone just goes with verizon wifi broadband
[11:56] <Fiyawerx> lol
[11:56] <Fiyawerx> or whatever it is i see them advertising everywhere now
[11:57] <Fiyawerx> and as for 2 internets
[11:57] <Fiyawerx> http://www.internet2.edu/
[11:57] <godzero> ok 3
[12:01] <izut> Do you know how to get Luxi fonts displayed correctly?