[12:00] <opteek> effortless
[12:00] <daaku> Chastaghir: its either your runlevel, or gdm isnt in the in rc* directories. if its a gdm problem then 'sudo update-rc gdm defaults' should fix it
[12:00] <Logtime> dooglus,  last version of wine?
[12:00] <michi> e1vis,  just like every other linux
[12:00] <Madpilot> !tell mkyb14 about lamp
[12:00] <LasseL> e1vis, old gentoooo user :p ?
[12:00] <housetier> oh a namesake... hi LasseL
[12:00] <dooglus> Logtime: I don't know.  I expect they have a website though that would tell you.
[12:01] <mkyb14> no, i hate lamp
[12:01] <alec_> tristanmike: mike I'm talking to you
[12:01] <daaku> Chastaghir: and the default runlevel is selected in /etc/inittab
[12:01] <alec_> tristanmike: talk back
[12:01] <jalvarezrom> elvis, I'll do that
[12:01] <e1vis> people, is there a link that can refresh my memory regarding dual booting, i want to install *now* but am afraid of messing up xp.
[12:01] <tristanmike> alec_, I have another window open for a private chat....check the bottom, you should see my name
[12:01] <Xenguy> Seveas: editing /etc/network/interfaces worked nicely -- thank you (I should have known that by now :-)
[12:01] <dooglus> is there any way of limiting the amount of CPU a job (and its children) can use?  I don't want any more than 50% to be used by 'make' and its children
[12:01] <alec_> tristanmike: mike i go into the box, and i'm typing stuff
[12:01] <alec_> tristanmike: your not anaswering
[12:01] <michi> e1vis,  is xp installed?
[12:01] <Chastaghir>  sudo update-rc gdm defaults
[12:01] <Chastaghir> Password:
[12:01] <Chastaghir> sudo: update-rc: command not found
[12:02] <tristanmike> alec_, hmmm, i don't see it, weird
[12:02] <e1vis> michi: yes, installed
[12:02] <Madpilot> mkyb14: "lamp" is just the Apache-mysql-php stack - see the URL ubotu sent you...
[12:02] <tristanmike> alec_, start one with me
[12:02] <e1vis> xp home
[12:02] <Seveas> ChaKy, update-rc.d
[12:02] <alec_> tristanmike: wait i see yours
[12:02] <QMario> This is ridiculous. All IDEs that are bad force you to create a project, instead of a .java file. Only JCreator works for me, but it is ironic that it only works on Windows. Michi, sorry I haven't tried Oracle yet. I thought Linux was supposed to be good for programming. I guess it is just Java... I dislike JVM and probably Perl6. What happened to just running the program?
[12:02] <e1vis> on laptop
[12:02] <jalvarezrom> elvis, I use grub for multiple operating system booting
[12:02] <QMario> Sorry.
[12:02] <alec_> tristanmike: i can see what you type but i guess you cant se mine
[12:02] <darknature> blah this winex file is still locked up
[12:02] <alec_> ok
[12:02] <freebase`> how do i run chkdsk? '[4369496.715000]  NTFS-fs error (device sdc1): ntfs_readdir(): Directory index record with vcn 0x0 is corrupt.  Corrupt inode 0x5.  Run chkdsk.
[12:02] <freebase`> '
[12:02] <QMario> I was too angry to see that I "flooded" the channel.
[12:02] <tristanmike> alec_, start one with me....
[12:02] <QMario> :'(
[12:02] <mkyb14> i know but i don't need to reinstall all those.... i just need the php-mysql package or something
[12:02] <mcphail> dooglus: i don't know if you can set absolute levels, but you can change the 'nice' level
[12:02] <Chastaghir> System startup links for /etc/init.d/gdm already exist
[12:02] <QMario> Sorry, Seveas.
[12:02] <Chastaghir> Seems to be not a problem from ubuntu
[12:02] <alec_> tristanmike: i dd
[12:03] <Chastaghir> gdm i mean
[12:03] <jalvarezrom> I first installed windows, then linux detect windows and grup (boot loader) install it
[12:03] <tristanmike> hmmmm
[12:03] <Seveas> QMario, vim is an excellent ide :)
[12:03] <dooglus> mcphail: the problem is that 'niced' processes will use 100% CPU if nothing else is running
[12:03] <e1vis> michi: grub, i keep hearing the name.  i suppose if i go to the site it has very clear instructions?
[12:03] <alec_> tristanmike: can you see what i type
[12:03] <dooglus> mcphail: my laptop crashes from overheating if 100% CPU is used for more than a couple of minutes
[12:03] <mcphail> dooglus: yup. Don't know a way around that one
[12:03] <michi> e1vis, look for /boot/grub/grub.conf.sample or so, there should be samples for booting xp from grub
[12:03] <tristanmike> alec_, only on this window, not the private one
[12:03] <XIII> Seveas it's http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2357
[12:03] <alec_> tristanmike: sure
[12:03] <QMario> Seveas, I don't care about IDEs. I just want my program to run. The command prompt can't even find my Java Archives/Classes.
[12:04] <QMario> I am so angry.
[12:04] <LasseL> QMario, if your projects are so tiny that spending two minutes setting up a project is a noticable overhead use a plain text editor -- jEdit is good
[12:04] <alec_> tristanmike: okay
[12:04] <e1vis> jalvarezrom: you mean download ubuntu and it auto detects and prepares for a partition?
[12:04] <mcphail> dooglus: that's one hell of a hardware problem. Have you blown out the dust etc?
[12:04] <Seveas> XIII, so you don't have kubuntu-desktop installed :)
[12:04] <XIII> i have it
[12:04] <alec_> tristanmike: you have AIM?
[12:04] <tristanmike> alec_, anway, check out the wiki here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto?action=show&redirect=HowToEnableTheMultiverseRepositoryInUbuntu
[12:04] <jalvarezrom> elvis, firs install windows
[12:04] <XIII> and i can switch to it in a moment
[12:04] <jalvarezrom> xp or anoter
[12:04] <Seveas> XII install and use debfoster to clean up the things it left on your system (like kde)
[12:04] <dooglus> mcphail: no, I've not.  I don't think it's a hardware problem, because it doesn't happen in windows, or in mandrake.  only ubuntu
[12:05] <jalvarezrom> then install ubuntu or other linus (I installed Debian too)
[12:05] <e1vis> jalvarezrom: yes
[12:05] <Xenguy> I have a new (Hoary) installation.  I installed from CD.  How long should I have to wait, connected to the Net, before I get prompted for updates I doubtless need? (or should I just manually run apt-get update && apt-get upgrade?)
[12:05] <e1vis> ...
[12:05] <Chastaghir> I don't know what to do with /etc/inittab. Any proposals?
[12:05] <e1vis> jalvarezrom: you didn't use a particular tool?
[12:05] <alec_> tristanmike: hmm my internet browser isnt working
[12:05] <XIII> i'm doing that now
[12:05] <tristanmike> alec_, no msn
[12:05] <mcphail> dooglus: your cpu should not overheat just by running at 100% for a few minutes. Something is badly wrong there.
[12:06] <jalvarezrom> elvis, yo should have a free partition
[12:06] <dooglus> mcphail: agreed.
[12:06] <tristanmike> alec_, like won't load?
[12:06] <alec_> tristanmike: yeah not even google
[12:06] <jalvarezrom> for the new OS
[12:06] <michi> e1vis,  if there is nothing in /boot/grub look in /usr/share/doc/grub-$version
[12:06] <dooglus> mcphail: I think the OS is responsible for backing off when the CPU gets too hot.  ubuntu doesn't though.
[12:06] <Gobbla> my eterm shell doesent show swedish letters... how can i fix this?
[12:06] <daaku> what does the line under default runlevel say in /etc/inittab?
[12:07] <Chastaghir> id:2:initdefault:
[12:07] <Seveas> Gobbla, dpkg-reconfigure locales
[12:07] <e1vis> jalvarezrom: did you use grub to make your partition?
[12:07] <Seveas> make sure you select UTF8 locales
[12:07] <e1vis> partitions
[12:07] <jalvarezrom> elvis, not
[12:07] <e1vis> michi: thanks
[12:07] <mcphail> dooglus: someone here might know a bit about ACPI, throttling etc. Ubuntu looks after my fan just fine.
[12:07] <alec_> tristanmike: i think cause i added some of repositories
[12:07] <e1vis> jalvarezrom: fdisk
[12:07] <alec_> tristanmike: on*
[12:07] <dooglus> mcphail: the fan gets faster and faster.  i don't think that's the issue.
[12:07] <jalvarezrom> elvis, grub is only a boot loader
[12:08] <tristanmike> alec_, you said you didn't edit your sources.list
[12:08] <e1vis> jalvarezrom: i see
[12:08] <e1vis> jalvarezrom: you must create a few partitions first
[12:08] <dooglus> Chastaghir: what do you see if you: ls /etc/rc2.d/*gdm*
[12:08] <jalvarezrom> fdisk or if you have an OS use parted
[12:08] <mcphail> dooglus: sounds like an airflow problem.
[12:08] <jalvarezrom> the tool named 'parted'
[12:08] <daaku> Chastaghir: thats odd, i've got gdm in runlevel 2
[12:08] <dooglus> mcphail: it's fine in mandrake on the same laptop.  and windows xp.
[12:08] <e1vis> jalvarezrom: i remember it now, yes...
[12:08] <Chastaghir> ls: /etc/rc2.d/*gdm*: Datei oder Verzeichnis nicht gefunden
[12:08] <dooglus> daaku: the question is, does he have gdm in runlevel 2...
[12:08] <e1vis> jalvarezrom: thank you!
[12:09] <JosephB> okay. atapi-zip was automounting in hoary, but in breezy it's not. so do i need to config something differently?
[12:09] <e1vis> michi: thank you!
[12:09] <jalvarezrom> elvis bay
[12:09] <jalvarezrom> bye
[12:09] <alec_> tristanmike: that's correct
[12:09] <e1vis> bye
[12:09] <mcphail> dooglus: ?? they are doing some throttling. Nevertheless, your CPU should not be frying eggs running make. Blow out your vents.
[12:09] <Gobbla> Seveas: didnt work :(
[12:09] <dooglus> Chastaghir: so do this:  "sudo ln -s ../init.d/gdm /etc/rc3.d/S13gdm"
[12:10] <daaku> dooglus: right. but he ran update-rc.d gdm defaults, so i figured it would be there
[12:10] <Seveas> Gobbla, you need to logout and login for it to take effect
[12:10] <dooglus> daaku: I don't know what that does, sorry.
[12:10] <Gobbla> oh
[12:10] <Gobbla> brb :)
[12:10] <tristanmike> alec_, try "sudo apt-get install sun-j2re1.5" (without the quotes)
[12:10] <alec_> tristanmike: ok
[12:10] <dooglus> daaku: it's not there, you notice?  it was "nicht gefunden"
[12:10] <Gobbla> Seveas: didnt work :(
[12:11] <QMario> Okay, I underestimated NetBeans. At least my program worked.
[12:11] <alec_> tristanmike: didnt work
[12:11] <QMario> I take back all I said about it and Java. Thank God!!!
[12:11] <tristanmike> alec_, what did it say?
[12:11] <QMario> I guess I just wasn't patient.
[12:11] <dooglus> Chastaghir: so do this:  "sudo ln -s ../init.d/gdm /etc/rc2.d/S13gdm"    <-- note, rc2, not rc3.  my mistake
[12:11] <jalvarezrom> exit
[12:11] <QMario> Patience is a virtue thought. :'(
[12:11] <alec_> tristanmike: couldnt find package
[12:11] <Chastaghir> Too late :-) I will change it
[12:12] <Seveas> Gobbla, then you need to be a bit more specific about your problem (which terminal emulator, which shell, how does the error occur)
[12:12] <vrln> http://www.madpenguin.org/cms/?m=show&id=5145 <-- new ubuntu breezy preview
[12:12] <vrln> (no I don't have anything to do with that site)
[12:12] <tristanmike> alec_, ok, have you followed the wiki I gave you?
[12:12] <dooglus> mcphail: I don't think it's 'make' that's killing the CPU, it's all the gccs that make runs
[12:12] <alec_> tristanmike: ....if mozilla worked
[12:12] <freebase`> do anyone know a good codec pack to download?
[12:13] <QMario> Yay!!! It works.
[12:13] <Chastaghir> ok, thanks for your help, I will try it with next boot.
[12:13] <dooglus> mcphail: also, the outlet of the fan is on the bottom of the laptop.  that's where my lap is.  of course it's blocked...
[12:13] <Gobbla> Seveas:  eterm, dunno :(, its not UTF-8
[12:13] <tristanmike> alec_, have you added the backports? from here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBackports?highlight=%28backports%29
[12:13] <XIII> Seveas it asks me for each package on my system ???!!!
[12:13] <Seveas> eterm can't handle utf8 afaik
[12:13] <net_benjo> does anybody know why ubuntuguide.org is not working??
[12:13] <Gobbla> Seveas: well that sucks..
[12:13] <Gobbla> why the hell not? :(
[12:13] <robotgeek_away> Gobbla: get rxvt-unicode
[12:13] <Ice9> how can I empty the trash bin in terminal?
[12:13] <GhostFreeman> Is there a place where I can get icons similar if not the same to those used in OS X? Its for a side project
[12:14] <alec_> tristanmike: umm no
[12:14] <QMario> Good bye Terminal for Java!!! Hello NetBeans 4.1.!!! :)
[12:14] <Gobbla> whats that robotgeek_away?
[12:14] <QMario> Holy, holy, holy!!! Is God Almighty!!! 
[12:14] <alec_> tristanmike: mozilla doesnt work
[12:14] <CookedGryphon> Ice9 rm ~.Trash(user name)
[12:14] <tristanmike> alec_, I can't really help with that, sorry, I'm not a guru, can just make it buy
[12:14] <tristanmike> *by
[12:14] <robotgeek> Gobbla: that's another terminal, but it does support utf-8
[12:14] <alec_> tristanmike: wiat
[12:14] <alec_> tristanmike: wait can you stay on here
[12:14] <dooglus> Ice9: cd ~/Trash; rm *
[12:14] <_blake> i have installed 4 different media players to try and play DVD's on my laptop in ubuntu, all of them crash or pop up different errors when trying to play a DVD... anyone reccomend a certain app for playing DVD's?
[12:14] <alec_> tristanmike: while i resart
[12:14] <stpere> hi there
[12:14] <trilliji> Seveas: Making a /etc/bash.bash_profile had no effect
[12:14] <tristanmike> I try to be here as often as I can
[12:14] <Gobbla> robotgeek: okay thanx
[12:15] <alec_> tristanmike: i mean could you stay here for like another 5 min while i restart my comp
[12:15] <Seveas> trilliji, my bad, it's /etc/bash.bashrc
[12:15] <Seveas> and it should already exist
[12:15] <robotgeek> _blake: totem-xine works well, vlc plays well - but no support for menus
[12:15] <CookedGryphon> Ice9, sry type on mine rm ~/.Trash/*
[12:15] <CookedGryphon> typo*
[12:16] <dooglus> CookedGryphon: that's not too good if there's a lot of trash in there
[12:16] <tristanmike> alec_, dude, save a major disater that blows up my house, I will be on Ubuntu irc
[12:16] <trilliji> Seveas: Excellent, I still have something to try :)
[12:16] <alec_> tristanmike: thanks :)
[12:16] <michi> wow
[12:16] <michi> ubuntu is realy easy
[12:16] <_blake> robotgeek: Totem could not startup.  Failed to create a GStreamer play object.
[12:16] <michi> i think i will install it on my dads laptop
[12:16] <tristanmike> NOOOOOO!!!!!!
[12:16] <darknature> ok i tried installing Cedega and its telling me I am running in the wrong directoryand change to the wine source's main directory
[12:16] <dooglus> CookedGryphon: you'll run up against maximum command line lengths - the ~ gets expanded, and the whole path gets put before every file name.  Try typing "echo ~/.Trash/*" to see what I mean
[12:16] <darknature> how do i find that main directory?
[12:17] <vrln> is it possible to try glitz acceleration with cairo on hoary?
[12:17] <robotgeek> _blake: install totem-xine
[12:17] <vrln> if I just install libglitz1, will it be used?
[12:17] <vrln> or does cairo have a config tool to select the backend
[12:17] <Seveas> vrln, don't you need libcairo2 for that?
[12:17] <Seveas> (I might be talking nonsense here...)
[12:17] <robotgeek> tristanmike: lol!
[12:17] <CookedGryphon> dooglus, okay, my mistake, didnt think it thru as far as u obviously
[12:18] <tristanmike> that's right, GAS-POWERED baby
[12:18] <tristanmike> it's loud, but I get great mileage
[12:18] <jalvarezrom> what is the name of last ubuntu version?
[12:19] <vrln> Seveas: oops, sorry - I meant breezy of course
[12:19] <vrln> not hoary :)
[12:19] <Seveas> Ubuntu 5.04 "Hoary Hedgehog"
[12:19] <_blake> robotgeek: installing totem-xine
[12:19] <vrln> so gtk 2.8/cairo 1.0 are already installed
[12:19] <_blake> robotgeek: vlc sits there and does nothing
[12:19] <Seveas> vrln, I really wouldn't know, sorry :)
[12:19] <tristanmike> soon to be 5.10 Breezy Badger (i can't wait)
[12:19] <robotgeek> _blake: try selecting chapters from video menu
[12:19] <vrln> so to rephrase my question, if I install glitz on breezy, is there a way I could check if it's being used or not
[12:19] <vrln> oh well
[12:19] <vrln> :)
[12:19] <Seveas> tristanmike, why don't you upgrade now?
[12:19] <jalvarezrom> what is breezy?
[12:19] <dooglus> CookedGryphon: yours would probably work most of the time anyway - what is the maximum command line length these days?
[12:20] <Seveas> jalvarezrom, the next version (now still in development)
[12:20] <robotgeek> _blake: though you might have to get the libdvdcss2 package.
[12:20] <tristanmike> Seveas, oh, no, that's way too much for me to handle right now, I'm just catching up. ;)
[12:20] <robotgeek> !tell _blake about codecs
[12:20] <jalvarezrom> thanks
[12:20] <Seveas> tristanmike, breezy is pretty stable :)
[12:20] <_blake> robotgeek:  can i find that in synaptic or apt-get install?
[12:20] <Seveas> the only problem I had so far was freenx (shich is not in the repos anyway :))
[12:20] <jalvarezrom> how to get breezy version?
[12:20] <michi> is there some way to start a programm as root?i need to start a tool as root but i dont want to have a terminal open for it? any ideas?
[12:20] <tristanmike> cool
[12:21] <robotgeek> read the link which ubotu sent you, has all explanation
[12:21] <michi> cause is if id do su -c someapp & and close the terminal the app is killed too
[12:21] <Seveas> michi, sudo
[12:21] <daaku> michi: gksudo
[12:21] <Madpilot> michi: "sudo <app-name"
, even...
[12:21] <michi> problem is just that sudo does not seem to work for what i trie
[12:21] <michi> i dont seem to have access to /proc with sudo
[12:22] <vrln> hm... another question: do kubuntu-desktop and ubuntu-desktop conflict in breezy?
[12:22] <vrln> ie, can I have both installed
[12:22] <michi> sudo echo 3 > /proc/acpi/sleep    permission denied
[12:22] <dooglus> hmm.  128kb is the max length it seems
[12:22] <stpere> michi,
[12:22] <Seveas> vrln, you can have both installed
[12:22] <vrln> Seveas: thanks, sounds great :)
[12:22] <stpere> michi, got same problem
[12:22] <vrln> michi: I think there is a bug with bash on breezy, redirection seems broken
[12:22] <Seveas> vrln, although.... right now you might have a conflict
[12:23] <vrln> michi: I tried to complain about it, but I was ignored :)
[12:23] <darknature> anyone know where i can get a hold of a .tar gz file of Cedega?
[12:23] <michi> ok
[12:23] <Seveas> due to the xscreensaver/gnome-screensaver business
[12:23] <Seveas> sudo echo foo > bla
[12:23] <vrln> Seveas: oh, I can wait though, I was just wondering on a theoretical level
[12:23] <Seveas> the redirection takes place as normal user
[12:23] <darknature> these stupid CVS installtion guides on cedega suck >.>
[12:23] <Seveas> NOT as root
[12:23] <vrln> ah
[12:23] <Seveas> because the redirection is parsed by bash before firing up sudo
[12:24] <michi> hm i will use setup my account with nopass for sudo and exectue sudo su -c"echo "3" /proc/acpi/sleep" in my programm
[12:24] <jalvarezrom> How I change from hoary to breezy?
[12:24] <Seveas> has always been like this
[12:24] <Seveas> tee can work around it
[12:24] <Seveas> echo foo | sudo tee bar
[12:24] <tarawsa33> Hi all! What program to edit mpg files. I downloaded kino but it doesnt seem to imort mpg format files. Should i convert to some format first or is there somthing else i can do?
[12:24] <Seveas> michi, echo 3 | sudo tee /proc/acpi/sleep
[12:25] <CookedGryphon> tarawsa33, have u downloaded all the right mp codecs?
[12:25] <CookedGryphon> mpg
[12:25] <michi> Seveas,  thx will try that
[12:25] <Seveas> it's not a bug, it's how redirection works...
[12:25] <CookedGryphon> tarawsa33, em, not sure what kino runs off... any1 know?
[12:25] <Milk_> can anyone help me install nvidia drivers?
[12:25] <tarawsa33> Cooked... Where can i find what codecs i have? and yes i think so cause i can play such files
[12:25] <vrln> Milk_: sure
[12:25] <vrln> Milk_: are you using the current binary kernel?
[12:26] <Seveas> !tell Milk_ about nvidia
[12:26] <daaku> Seveas: didnt know about tee. more convenient than su -c
[12:26] <vrln> Seveas: hehe
[12:26] <vrln> didn't know such a thing exists :)
[12:26] <JosephB> keep getting 'permission denied' on breezy backports mirrors...bleh
[12:26] <Seveas> vrln, that's what we have the bot for :)
[12:26] <Seveas> !tell vrln about ubotu
[12:26] <tarawsa33> !tell tarawsa33 about tee
[12:26] <Milk_> vrln, I downloaded th latest binary driver and tried isntall, got error
[12:26] <michi> Seveas,  it says memoryaccesviolation
[12:26] <Madpilot> !tell Milk_ about nvidia
[12:27] <Seveas> michi, that sounds like something is fundamentally broken
[12:27] <Seveas> Madpilot, are you lagging? ;)
[12:27] <tarawsa33> anyone here do any video editing?
[12:27] <michi> Seveas,  prob is that its the same on my gentoo box, i allways get acces denied when trieng to echo something into /proc
[12:27] <daaku> anyone know if prelink makes a difference on a gcc4 system?
[12:27] <Madpilot> Seveas: I was for a moment there, it looked like...
[12:27] <dooglus> what does writing to /proc/acpi/sleep do?
[12:28] <JosephB> !tell JosephB about backports
[12:28] <vrln> Seveas: thanks :)
[12:28] <Seveas> tarawsa33, i'm about to start doing video editing after i saw demos about veejay and lives :)
[12:28] <vrln> anyways, sleep... this seems like a nice channel though, I'll hang around in the future
[12:28] <siimo> hi how come sftp:// doesnt work in nautilus 2.12 in breezy
[12:28] <mcphail> tarawsa33: i think MainActor imports mpgs. Kino imports DV. Cinelerra might be worth a look for something a bit more powerful.
[12:28] <Milk_> vrln, would the error help you help me?
[12:29] <Seveas> siimo, works fine here..
[12:29] <tarawsa33> mcphail & Seveas :Mainactor? oki ill look that up! im just looking to downsize some clips and maybe remove and merge
[12:30] <siimo> Seveas, here it says "Please select another viewer and try again."
[12:30] <darknature>  -> c -> r     <<<< what does that mean
[12:31] <mcphail> tarawsa33: MainActor is a commercial app. The free version leaves a watermark across the picture.
[12:31] <erUSUL> darknature: context?
[12:31] <janne_Newbie> Hi! How i can stop showing splash screen....?
[12:32] <tarawsa33> mcphail--- thanx... Uhh long time ago i had to think about buying now that i have linux :)
[12:32] <Seveas> janne_Newbie, remove 'splash' from the NOALTOPTS line in menu.lst and run update-grub
[12:32] <Cathelo> Hey guys, I'm getting some screen flicker in breezy.  So I go check the refresh rate for the monitor and its set to 86Hz and doesn't give any more options.  Is there a way to force the refresh rate to be another value?
[12:32] <mcphail> tarawsa33: mpgs can be easily merged with 'cat' of course...
[12:33] <msti> hi
[12:33] <janne_Newbie> Hard way...i say....i once put it a way somewhere else, but i cant remember.....in menus....
[12:34] <tarawsa33> mchphail: thanks for the cat -tip! i have the demo of mainactor in rpm format now... can i use that?
[12:34] <mcphail> tarawsa33: i think there is a .deb
[12:34] <janne_Newbie>  i dont remember that bec this is my 3rd time when i was installed this ubuntu...
[12:35] <mcphail> tarawsa33: it installs under /opt/
[12:35] <tarawsa33> mcphail: how do i load it with apt-get?
[12:35] <siimo> Seveas, and there is no address bar anymore in nautilus?
[12:36] <mcphail> tarawsa33: download the .deb from the mainactor site (i think there is a link to 'debian port') and install with dpkg -i whatever.deb
[12:36] <tarawsa33> macphail: thanks!
[12:36] <tarawsa33> macphail: with sudo i guess, right?
[12:36] <mcphail> yes
[12:37] <Cathelo> Is there a way for force a monitor refresh rate if I'm only given one choice in System>Preferences>Screen Resolution?
[12:37] <Jowi> Cathelo: yes there is. in /etc/X11/xorg.conf, in the monitor section, add: VertRefresh 60 (or whatever you want
[12:37] <michi> wow i just finished my first gtk app :P http://der-bastard.net/cpu_setter.png   |   http://der-bastard.net/cpu_setter_menu.png
[12:37] <Jowi> Cathelo: had the same prob with my LCD monitor.
[12:39] <Seveas> siimo, <ctrl>L
[12:39] <Seveas> !resolution
[12:39] <ubotu> [resolution]  at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[12:39] <opo> Anyone mind filling me in on the command to restart apache?
[12:39] <darknature> how do you delete a file or folder using sudo?
[12:39] <Seveas> Cathelo, Jowi ^--
[12:40] <Seveas> opo, sudo invoke-rc.d apache restart
[12:40] <apokryphos> darknature: same way you do it without sudo
[12:40] <Cathelo> thnx.
[12:40] <Seveas> darknature, sudo rm
[12:40] <darknature> well this folder is locked
[12:40] <opo> thanks seveas
[12:40] <siimo> thanks
[12:40] <veggie-warrior> hola
[12:40] <apokryphos> darkheart: what's the error message?
[12:40] <Seveas> darknature, there is no such thing as a locked folder
[12:40] <darknature> and since i still don't know how to get owner permission(even though i am the only user) i am trying other methods
[12:40] <opo> I think we need to pay you a salary you know everything
[12:40] <tarawsa33> macphail: thanks for your help ill try this out!
[12:41] <apokryphos> opo: I'm sure he wouldn't object to any cash you'd be willing to provide 8)
[12:41] <opo> invoke-rc.d: unknown initscript, /etc/init.d/apache not found.
[12:41] <mcphail> tarawsa33: np
[12:41] <daaku> wow. the powerbook sound drivers are horrible. anyone know of ways to improve them?
[12:41] <Seveas> apokryphos, not at all 8)
[12:41] <Jowi> Seveas: yeah, that works fine. But problem was that X set the maximum refresh rate supported by the card and monitor so i had to add the VertRefresh option to xorg.conf anyway :)
[12:41] <michi> darknature,  sudo chown your_username:users /folder
[12:41] <Seveas> opo apache2 then :)
[12:41] <michi> darknature,  better use chown -R
[12:41] <opo> <3<3<3
[12:41] <darknature> ok thanks
[12:42] <omp> everything was fine until now (my internet suddenly stopped working in ubuntu)
[12:42] <opo> to bad that wasnt my problem.
[12:42] <omp> i'm on gentoo now
[12:42] <msti> did anyone succeed in installing sun-j2re1.5 today?
[12:42] <Seveas> msti, lots of people :)
[12:42] <apokryphos> msti: different repository
[12:42] <tarawsa33> macphail: hmm now i look stupid but i thought i had an install but all i can find on locate are /var/lib/dpkg/info/mainactor.list and the original .deb... where is the executable?
[12:42] <apokryphos> msti: if you're on hoary,  deb http://ubuntu.tower-net.de/ubuntu/ hoary java
[12:43] <mcphail> tarawsa33: somewhere under /opt/
[12:43] <mcphail> tarawsa33: (there shouldn't be anything else there)
[12:43] <tarawsa33> macphail: ahh oki thats what u ment before :)
[12:44] <darknature> blah wtf! it unlocked the main folder but the stuff in that folder is now locked
[12:44] <darknature> oO
[12:44] <darknature> this is crazy
[12:44] <barongas> Lately many of my internet based programs have stopped working, like gaim for example. I can authorize people but I can't see if they're online or not. Same thing with skype for example. Any ideas?
[12:44] <Seveas> darknature, chown -R
[12:45] <darknature> ok
[12:45] <tarawsa33> macphail: great ! it seems to work!
[12:46] <dooglus> I just compiled the kernel.  Is it supposed to make a new initrd.img?  And if so, why hasn't it?
[12:46] <mcphail> tarawsa33: great. i only played with it for a few minutes. The watermark put me off. Might try it again to see if it is worth buying.
[12:46] <moetia> what application will play mp3?
[12:47] <Xenguy> If I have *really* ugly fonts from a default laptop, CD-only (i.e. no network) install, is it possible I may only need to download some packages?  Or has something gone Very Wrong?
[12:47] <Seveas> xmms, mplay, totem, vlc, beep-media-player, mpg321
[12:47] <darknature> i know yall guys are tired of me asking so much but i am still in a dilemma getting Cedega on my computer
[12:47] <omp> beep-media-player is the best :P
[12:47] <darknature> Cedega CVS*
[12:47] <Seveas> omp, indeed :)
[12:47] <dooglus> lsuactiafner: you must know...  how do you make initrd.img?
[12:48] <tarawsa33> macphail: did u get to try any mpg:s in it? cause it doesnt seem to import them?
[12:48] <mcphail> tarawsa33: yes. Dropped them onto the timeline.
[12:48] <Xenguy> no font wizards in the house then?
[12:48] <erUSUL> tarawsa33: and cinelerra??
[12:49] <tarawsa33> macphail:dropped them from nautilus? ersul: havnt tried it yet
[12:49] <barongas> Nobody have any idea? Is there a way to see what ports are busy/blocked on my computer?
[12:49] <Madpilot> Xenguy: the default fonts - for Hoary, at least - aren't bad looking, and there are some very nice fonts included with Ubuntu...
[12:49] <mcphail> tarawsa33: no, from the file browser in the app
[12:50] <darknature> anyone successful got Cedega through CVS and would like to share their wisedom with me ^^
[12:51] <_rb_> hey this cvs thing, di i use apt-get to get it and then it to get cvs versions of software ?
[12:51] <Seveas> barongas, by default ubuntu blocks no ports
[12:51] <unkn0wn2u> netstat -plunt
[12:51] <Xenguy> Madpilot: that has been my experience with a couple of previous installs, but I had net access with those.  This fresh install on a laptop is displaying very crude fonts, and I'm wondering if I can fix them somehow (fonts so bad that it would be embarassing to show a windows person at work :-)
[12:51] <Seveas> _rb_, if you even have to ask that, installing cvs versions is not suitable for you
[12:51] <Seveas> no offense...
[12:52] <mcphail> Xenguy: have you switched off anti-aliasing?
[12:52] <timewave> I have an existing windows network usin tcp/ip protocol. Will ubuntu connect automatically or is there a way to install the porotocol?
[12:52] <frank23> what program can I use to create an iso image from a cd?
[12:52] <omp> Seveas: he has to learn one day :P
[12:52] <dooglus> frank23: I think 'dd' can do that
[12:52] <tga> frank23, dd if=/dev/cdrom of=foobar.iso
[12:52] <Madpilot> Xenguy: System menu -> Prefs -> Fonts
[12:52] <Seveas> timewave, you're not making sense, what do you mean?
[12:52] <_rb_> none taken. its just that it seems the only recent versions of software, sans bugs, seems to be the cvs version
[12:52] <frank23> dooglus: tga thanks!
[12:52] <Seveas> _rb_, rofl
[12:53] <Seveas> cvs versions often contain more bugs and annoyances :)
[12:53] <apokryphos> ubotu: tell _rb_ about cvs
[12:53] <omp> _rb_: google is your friend :)
[12:53] <apokryphos> and CVS is an old grandaddy; SVN all the way :D
[12:53] <Xenguy> mcphail: not that I know of - the only weird thing I noticed was that when I'm at the console (i.e. non-X) the display only takes up part of the screen display, but I don't know if that's really relevant or not
[12:53] <tga> frank23, or any cd writing frontend
[12:53] <timewave> I have installed ubuntu on my laptop. My home network uses the tcp/ip protocol. Do I need to configure ubuntu to use this protocol?
[12:53] <_rb_> and most of the time people dont seem to get around to finishing what they start, so the only versions available are cvs onces
[12:53] <barongas> Seveas: Yeah, the problem has arosen lately, probly something I apt'd that did something I did not expect. Do you know any tools that could scan my ports and see what's working?
[12:53] <Seveas> apokryphos, the cvs/svn approach (cathedral) is ancient
[12:53] <airmikey> anyone running dual core yet
[12:53] <narg> timewave: most likely not
[12:53] <Seveas> bazaar all the way :)
[12:53] <Xenguy> Madpilot: I'll check (if I didn't already)
[12:53] <apokryphos> boo
[12:53] <Seveas> barongas, nmap
[12:54] <concept10> i cant believe they are calling the new ubuntu "dapper drake"
[12:54] <apokryphos> Seveas: I know of course :P, but CVS is the grandaddy date-wise. I like the way svn state that they're a replacement for cvs in their description :D
[12:54] <Seveas> sudo nmap -sS -t -ports 1-65535 ip.adress.of.your.machine (not localhost)
[12:54] <frank23> tga: I couldn't find how to get k3b to make an iso image
[12:54] <omp> concept10: yeah, it's dapper drake :)
[12:54] <omp> concept10: it sounds cool
[12:55] <stpere> lol
[12:55] <KanRiNiN> Hey guys, I'm getting a lot of g and gtk errors.  what's the easiest way to build these packages?  I made the mistake of upgrading to breezy.
[12:55] <omp> i think the best name so far is breezy
[12:55] <_rb_> well anyway, all of this came up due to the fact that my wiki dump doesn't like importing, and the only version of what appears to be my only alternative is in cvs
[12:55] <veggie-warrior> I am haivng trouble finding my BIOS page
[12:55] <veggie-warrior> just pressing Delete doesnt do anytihng for me
[12:56] <concept10> Excuse my ignorance, what does 'drake' mean?
[12:56] <Seveas> KanRiNiN, you might have luck with dpkg --configure -a   or dpkg --configure --pending   or apt-get -f install   or apt-gt install ubuntu-desktop
[12:56] <unkn0wn2u> veggie-warrior, your bios "page"
[12:56] <Seveas> concept10, young dragon
[12:56] <Madpilot> concept10: a drake is a male duck, usually
[12:56] <apokryphos> and all for different reasons =)
[12:56] <veggie-warrior> yeah that one
[12:56] <unkn0wn2u> I like female ducks
[12:56] <airmikey> lol
[12:56] <Seveas> I like female chicks
[12:57] <_rb_> sometimes its F2, sometimes its F1, ive seen F10 also. its not always delete, specially on name brand systems, unless its your keyboard, if it used to be delete, its prolly yer keyboard
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[12:57] <veggie-warrior> i know my semantics are wrong but i dont have the energy to mince words right now
[12:57] <Snadder> whats recommended to use?.. 5.04 or 5.10?
[12:57] <mcphail> Is there a link to the "dapper-drake" release announcement?
[12:57] <Seveas> Snadder, 5.04
[12:57] <mloskot> Q: Is there any guide for How To Submit a Bug on Ubuntu Bugzilla, besides 2-3 docs on Ubuntu Wiki?
[12:57] <barongas> seveas: (The 3134 ports scanned but not shown below are in state: closed) Does that mean they're unavailable or unused?
[12:57] <msti> apokryphos: thanks! it is installing :)
[12:57] <Snadder> when will 5.10 be stable enough?
[12:57] <KanRiNiN> thanks Seveas
[12:57] <Seveas> barongas, unused
[12:57] <concept10> mcphail: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=350378#post350378
[12:57] <mcphail> thanks
[12:57] <narg> snaddar: October 13th? :)
[12:58] <Seveas> Snadder, it is pretty stable already, but until oct. 13 (release date) 5.04 will be the official recommended version
[12:58] <barongas> Seveas Thanks a bunch, now I just gotto figure out why my programs aren't connecting properly :/
[12:58] <KanRiNiN> does anybody else dual boot ubuntu and fedora core?  why is it that the net config and time sync take So long in ubuntu?  I know there's speculation in the forum.
[12:58] <mloskot> [BUGS]  Any guide besides following Wiki pages: BugTracking - HelpWithBugs - BugResponses ?
[12:58] <Snadder> okay.. but I guess it wont be much work to upgrade it with apt get anyway?
[12:58] <michi> strange
[12:58] <tarawsa33> macphail:that watermark i enormous...gnight ... and gnight all
[12:59] <michi> cpufreq is not working anymore
[12:59] <Snadder> ok.. thx.. got my answers:)
[12:59] <Seveas> mloskot, what is difficult about bugzilla?!?
[12:59] <michi> there is no cpufreq in /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/?
[01:00] <michi> it worked yesterday
[01:00] <michi> and i didnt change the kernel
[01:00] <tga> michi, you don't have the module loaded
[01:00] <tga> michi, what cpu do you have?
[01:00] <michi> tga,  ah thats an idea
[01:00] <mloskot> Seveas - nothing with bugzilla, but I'm lookin for some guide about what info should I provide, how to get this details, etc.
[01:00] <michi> tga,  p3 m
[01:01] <tga> michi, try loading your cpufreq module or /etc/init.d/cpufreqd start
[01:01] <Seveas> mloskot, that is highly situation-dependent and there is no real 'general' guide possible
[01:01] <michi> tga,  FATAL module cpufreq does not exist
[01:01] <Seveas> anyway, 1pm here, so: mv /proc/self /dev/bed && hibernate
[01:01] <lsuactiafner> michi : cat /proc/cpuinfo | grep MHz
[01:01] <QMario> Seveas, where do I place Java Archives?
[01:02] <mloskot> Seveas - I see. OK, I noticed a frequent crash of users-admin from gnome-system-tools under Breezy, and
[01:02] <lsuactiafner> Tue Sep 20 01:02:02 SAST 2005
[01:02] <lsuactiafner> night Seveas (;
[01:02] <Xenguy> Madpilot: well I think this may explain it, my 'Go to Font Folder' button opens a window that contains no font listings :-)
[01:02] <michi> QMario,  how do you mean that?what do you want to do with those jar files?
[01:02] <mloskot> Seveas - can I simply describe the problem, giving g-s-t version etc.?
[01:02] <timewave> Ok my comp can connect to browse but it doesnt recognize the networked computers running windows. Also when i follow a link to download something, it gives me the popup to save to disk but doesnt do anything
[01:02] <QMario> Michi, run my programs from the terminal.
[01:02] <QMario> Even though I have an IDE.
[01:03] <Xenguy> Madpilot: do you know what the actual PATH is to those fonts? (~/.fonts ?)
[01:03] <ChillyWilly7685> Hey guys...anyone feel like answering some stupid questions?
[01:03] <michi> is this failsafe boot option automaticaly booted after improper shutdown?
[01:03] <QMario> I like to do things both ways, michi.
[01:03] <QMario> :)
[01:03] <michi> QMario,  is your program in this jar file?
[01:03] <ChillyWilly7685> anybody?
[01:03] <michi> or what?
[01:03] <narg> timewave: are your computers networked using the SMB protocol?
[01:03] <QMario> No, but my program imports a class from it.
[01:04] <timewave> no I am using the tcp/ip
[01:04] <QMario> For example import java.util.Scanner.
[01:04] <unkn0wn2u> timewave, damn dude
[01:04] <QMario> s/" "/ ,
[01:04] <Jowi> ChillyWilly7685: ask the question(s). you might get lucky
[01:04] <michi> QMario,  ok start it with java --classpath /path/to/file.jar :. Myprogam
[01:05] <QMario> Michi, so is that how I add that .jar to my CLASSPATH?
[01:05] <mloskot> Seveas - OK, I'll take a risk and try to submit my first bug ;-) Thanks!
[01:05] <unkn0wn2u> timewave, does network neighborhood ring a bell?
[01:05] <michi> QMario,  no its only to start your programm and tell it where the jar file is
[01:05] <_rb_> ew
[01:05] <_rb_> smells like windows
[01:06] <QMario> Michi, so how do I add it to my CLASSPATH?
[01:06] <unkn0wn2u> windows is evolving so much faster than linux
[01:06] <unkn0wn2u> ha
[01:06] <QMario> Wrong.
[01:06] <_rb_> oh yeah, and its security is brilliant, and everyone loves it.
[01:06] <michi> windows sucks
[01:07] <_rb_> and its so compatible
[01:07] <ChillyWilly7685> Ok so i know this is dumb but i'm trying to add a partition to my harddrive, by shrinking my current partition and then adding a new one. I tried using GParted, but it just doesn't do anything...it acts like it's working for a few seconds but then my hard drive is back to the way it always was...
[01:07] <michi> the server versions are shit
[01:07] <Jowi> unkn0wn2u: yeah. there is no similarities at all between win95 and winxp ;)
[01:07] <_rb_> and its so safe, and friendly, and helpful
[01:07] <QMario> Linux, gets new patches a lot of times thanks to programmers.
[01:07] <apokryphos> And this is so #ubuntu-offtopic :D
[01:07] <_rb_> tru
[01:07] <dooglus> ChillyWilly7685: bootitng is good for resizing ntfs partitions
[01:07] <QMario> Jowi, but it is still Windows. :)
[01:07] <Jowi> ChillyWilly7685: reboot is needed
[01:07] <ChillyWilly7685> reboot...so in other words if i restart it will be the way it says it will be?
[01:08] <ChillyWilly7685> with the new partition and what not?
[01:08] <michi> the kernel needs to reread the part table
[01:08] <tristanmike> ChillyWilly7685, should
[01:08] <ChillyWilly7685> i'm running linux off the ccd right now
[01:08] <michi> maybe you need to reboot
[01:08] <ChillyWilly7685> hmm ok
[01:08] <_rb_> mount -a
[01:08] <Jowi> QMario: is it? it doesn't look the same or behave the same. there is no start menu in either.... oh wait
[01:08] <ChillyWilly7685> well then in that case brb
[01:08] <tga> you have linux running on a ccd?
[01:08] <ChillyWilly7685> cd
[01:08] <ChillyWilly7685> what's a ccd?
[01:08] <Jowi> ChillyWilly7685: you need to APPLY the changes, then reboot
[01:08] <ChillyWilly7685> or were you just mocking?
[01:08] <Seona> http://www.nextworld.ru/?rid=55967-help me please
[01:08] <concept10> What is a good channel for web development talk?
[01:08] <_rb_> thatd be fancy
[01:08] <ChillyWilly7685> yea i did apply...
[01:08] <_rb_> pointless, but fancy
[01:08] <ChillyWilly7685> didn't know i needed to reboot...my bad
[01:08] <apokryphos> concept10: #html #css etc etc
[01:08] <_rb_> ccd is a chip in a digital camera
[01:09] <Jowi> ChillyWilly7685: sometimes it takes a reboot before you see the changes to the disks
[01:09] <ChillyWilly7685> oh haha nice
[01:09] <concept10> apokryphos: thanks shipmate
[01:09] <timewave> So
[01:10] <QMario> Michi, I am going to paste my errors to you.
[01:10] <QMario> Hold on...
[01:10] <QMario> :)
[01:10] <timewave> So I need to enable SMP protocol to connect ubuntu to the network?
[01:10] <_rb_> is that like coughing on someone when you have a cold ?
[01:10] <Jowi> ubotu, tell timewave about samba
[01:10] <QMario> !Wine
[01:10] <ubotu> wine is a compatibility layer used by linux to let it run [some]  windows programs. To install a recent version, go through the tutorial at http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=29996 ; for more info and apps that work with it, see http://www.winehq.org
[01:11] <Jowi> timewave: read the first link ubotu just gave you. it covers it all
[01:11] <timewave> k thanks
[01:12] <QMario> Michi, http://pastebin.com/368545.
[01:12] <QMario> Those are the errors.
[01:12] <QMario> What should I do?
[01:12] <QMario> Hello jorgp2!!! :)
[01:12] <QMario> Hello opo!!! :)
[01:12] <dsaf> hello, A simple question: synaptic works with aptitude or with apt? Thanks
[01:12] <opo> I'm trying install Cirtix ICA thingy, I have the file downloaded...and in the install documentation it's telling me to run this setupwfc file, and I havent slightest idea how to do this.
[01:12] <opo> hey QMario
[01:13] <QMario> Dsaf, apt.
[01:13] <_rb_> !gzip
[01:13] <ubotu> No idea, _rb_
[01:13] <apokryphos> dsaf: aptitude and synaptic are both front-ends to apt
[01:13] <_rb_> hmm
[01:13] <QMario> !Synaptic
[01:13] <Jowi> dsaf: synaptic and apt-get are both front-ends for libapt
[01:13] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, synaptic is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SynapticHowto
[01:13] <_rb_> !mwdumper
[01:13] <ubotu> Bugger all, i dunno, _rb_
[01:13] <QMario> Ubotu, tell Dsaf about synaptic.
[01:13] <_rb_> ARGH. sniff.
[01:13] <Jowi> s/apt-get/aptitude
[01:14] <lancellor> hey guys i want to buy an mp3 player you know like ipod or zen creative or something else wich do you guys recomend
[01:14] <QMario> Ompaul, michi, are you guys still here?
[01:14] <unkn0wn2u> I am so glad I don't have to use yum anymore apt is so much faster
[01:14] <lancellor> easy to configure on linux
[01:14] <apokryphos> unkn0wn2u: indeed!
[01:14] <dsaf> mmmm, what is recomended then?
[01:14] <apokryphos> dsaf: whatever tickles your pickle
[01:14] <cafuego> dsaf: use whatever you prefer.
[01:14] <QMario> True.
[01:15] <Jowi> lancellor: samsung, 1gb, yp mt-6
[01:15] <dsaf> ok thanks
[01:15] <lancellor> easy to configure??
[01:15] <QMario> Hello cafuego!!! :) I didn't see you there.
[01:15] <_rb_> tickles your pickle ? thats actually new to me
[01:15] <cafuego> QMario: That's coz I'm not here...
[01:15] <QMario> Cafuego, huh?
[01:15] <QMario> Hello seife!!! :)
[01:15] <Jowi> lancellor: best sound ever heard. ogg support. line-recording with autosync for autoconverting to mp3. 40 HOURS playbackimme on one single R6 battery
[01:16] <QMario> Apokryphos,  why would you do that?
[01:17] <apokryphos> QMario: because you'd dramatically reduce the time it takes to write a message, of course =)
[01:17] <QMario> True.
[01:17] <lancellor> that sounds good what about somenthing with more capacity more than 20 gigs
[01:17] <QMario> Can you answer my query?
[01:17] <Jowi> lancellor: then i DO NOT recommend the 1gb player ;-)
[01:17] <_rb_> you cant have that much legal music dude.
[01:17] <brownie17> hey, can somebody tell me how to "cd" (terminal talk)  into a "cdrom" drive?
[01:18] <QMario> Brownie17, "cd /media/cdrom".
[01:18] <unkn0wn2u> brownie17, haha
[01:18] <_rb_> geneerally cd /media/hdc
[01:18] <brownie17> _rb_, nope :) that's why ipods are so popular
[01:18] <_rb_> i think
[01:18] <_rb_> indeed
[01:18] <QMario> Or cdrom0, cdrom1, etc.
[01:18] <tga> Jowi, do you recommend the thing or not?
[01:18] <brownie17> good on ya
[01:19] <Jowi> tga: absoluteley. its absolutely fantastic. but it does not have the disk capacity that lancellor wanted.
[01:19] <tga> Jowi, oh, alright :)
[01:19] <lancellor> Jowi: thanks
[01:19] <_rb_> jowi's day job is a samsung sales rep :P
[01:19] <Viking667> wow. thassalottapeeps...
[01:19] <unkn0wn2u> what a crappy job
[01:19] <Jowi> _rb_: i would loathe that :D
[01:19] <_rb_> lol. i have no idea what they do in the day
[01:20] <lancellor> come on guys be nice
[01:20] <tristanmike> lol, I just sent an angry email to Samsung
[01:20] <_rb_> i cant sell water to thirsty desert doomed people.
[01:20] <DansFloyd> hello all: I copied all music file from my windows partition, to my linux partition. But none of them will play... and its not letting me delete them. what command do i use to kill them all? there in my trash. and im in the terminal under ~/.Trash... now what do i do?
[01:20] <_rb_> i hate sales
[01:20] <DansFloyd> rm *.mp3?
[01:20] <_rb_> wiggle ya nose
[01:20] <DansFloyd> ;)
[01:21] <unkn0wn2u> DansFloyd, rm *.mp3 -f
[01:21] <Viking667> DansFloyd: err, who "owns" them? What are the permissions on them?
[01:21] <_rb_> ....you might need a bell tho
[01:21] <Jowi> tristanmike: yeah, they make crap products like any other company. but this little beauty.... wow.
[01:21] <QMario> Yay, Breezy Badger comes out next month, but what day?
[01:21] <Viking667> you might have to reassign the owner,
[01:21] <unkn0wn2u> DansFloyd, sudo rm *.mp3 -f
[01:21] <DansFloyd> read and execute
[01:21] <QMario> Does anyone program with Java here?
[01:21] <DansFloyd> ok ill try it
[01:21] <DansFloyd> thx
[01:21] <opo> I bet someone does QMario
[01:21] <tristanmike> Jowi, I told them I'm outtie on their products untill they start supporting OSS
[01:22] <_rb_> i used to, before those damned dirty apes messed with my sh!t
[01:22] <QMario> Opo, do you?
[01:22] <brownie17> hey fellas, can ya get quicktime for linux?
[01:22] <michi> QMario,  java -classpath /foo/bar.jar:. Name_of_classfile_to_start
[01:22] <unkn0wn2u> I program with c++ does that count?
[01:22] <opo> Qmario, I wish I only know some c++
[01:22] <michi> it works well here that way
[01:22] <_rb_> get an ebook
[01:22] <tristanmike> like my monitor.... >(
[01:22] <_rb_> better yet, use wikibooks
[01:22] <QMario> Michi, will that solve my problem?
[01:22] <michi> c/c++ seems to be very hard
[01:22] <Viking667> I am learning java, but haven't started that on ubuntu. Mainly cos I couldn't see jdk on any of the repos.
[01:22] <_rb_> cept dont ask for any support with it as they'll say its software, and the software loosers dont say ANYTHING
[01:23] <brownie17> !quicktime
[01:23] <ubotu> quicktime is probably read http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats for information about quicktime support
[01:23] <Seona> http://www.nextworld.ru/?rid=55967-hi guys, i really need your help,my brother is in hospital and i really hope that you can help him..
[01:23] <Seona> http://www.nextworld.ru/?rid=55967-hi guys, i really need your help,my brother is in hospital and i really hope that you can help him..
[01:23] <unkn0wn2u> michi, once you learn it all things else are easy
[01:23] <QMario> Compared to Java right now, it might be just as easy as Python!!! :)
[01:23] <Jowi> tristanmike: OSS support in what way?
[01:23] <michi> unkn0wn2u,  i code in java and c#
[01:23] <unkn0wn2u> michi, plus chicks dig dudes with c++
[01:24] <QMario> Michi, hah!!! C#!!! Hee hee hee.
[01:24] <tristanmike> Jowi, drivers, support, you know, the basics
[01:24] <QMario> Michi, what is it like?
[01:24] <_rb_> yeah, but prettier chicks dig dudes with cobol
[01:24] <michi> but one day i will try to learn c++
[01:24] <QMario> What about Perl?
[01:24] <michi> QMario,  do you mean c#?
[01:24] <unkn0wn2u> ya
[01:24] <Jowi> tristanmike: oh. that sucks.
[01:24] <QMario> Michi, yes.
[01:24] <_rb_> c# is that horrible excuse for a programming language.
[01:25] <_rb_> only interpreted language i like is php
[01:25] <tristanmike> Jowi, yeah, I wanted the horiz and vert refresh rate ranges and they couldn't even tell me that
[01:25] <zxsykco> Whatever.
[01:25] <zxsykco> I use pascal most of the time.
[01:25] <_rb_> pascal is good, you can even compile it
[01:25] <unkn0wn2u> python
[01:25] <michi> QMario,  i think it like java just better somehow
[01:25] <_rb_> prefer delphi to pascal tho
[01:25] <tristanmike> I can't even find my monitor on their site
[01:25] <zxsykco> yep.
[01:26] <michi> m$ learned from what sun did wrong
[01:26] <opo> I wish I didnt suck so bad at linuxing.
[01:26] <_rb_> you can even get kylix and do delphi in linux.
[01:26] <unkn0wn2u> tristanmike, calm down dude
[01:26] <nootrope> hiya. i'm trying to install HH on a P4 laptop. SiS chipset.. It ahngs very near the beginning, while it scrolls text down the screen fast. the last error is: Unable to handle kernel NULL pointer dereference at  virtual address 0000007b printing eip: c0103c48.What's up, d'ya think?
[01:26] <tristanmike> grrrr.....lol
[01:26] <DansFloyd> is there much of a diffence between the Konsole and the Terminal?
[01:26] <zxsykco> Where can I find delphi for linux?
[01:26] <Viking667> nope.
[01:26] <_rb_> what did they do wrong ? deny microsoft access to their source and proprietory knowledge ?
[01:26] <DansFloyd> pretty much the same thing?
[01:26] <QMario> Michi, would that solve my problem?
[01:26] <nootrope> zxsykco: i think it's called kylix
[01:26] <QMario> Let me try again...
[01:27] <Viking667> err, it doesn't exist. The closest you'll get is ahmm....
[01:27] <Jowi> tristanmike: sounds like you had bad luck. i never even heard of a company NOT publishing that info until now. even some stores i go to publish that on the pricelabel, lol
[01:27] <Viking667> lazarus
[01:27] <_rb_> called kylix, and you can get it at borlands website, its not GPL, but the personal version is free as far as i've downloaded
[01:27] <michi> QMario,  if the jar file contains the stuff you want to import,yes
[01:27] <zxsykco> Intereesting, never heard of it.
[01:27] <zxsykco> Thanks.
[01:27] <Jowi> DansFloyd: same stuff.
[01:27] <QMario> Michi, I still have the error.
[01:27] <michi> QMario,  the error says it cant find the classes you want to import
[01:27] <Viking667> and lazarus backends onto fpc
[01:27] <brownie17> it says on the ubuntu wiki that i need to install "w32codecs" to play quicktime files, but it isn't in synaptic
[01:27] <_rb_> looks pretty much exactly the same as delphi3
[01:27] <Jowi> ubotu, tell brownie17 about repositories
[01:28] <_rb_> minus the db and extra goodies past the standard interface
[01:28] <tristanmike> Jowi, Umm, I got my monitor under 2 years ago, and I emailed them, and contacted my Canadian office and they said they only had the manual as reference...
[01:28] <QMario> Michi "Exception in thread "main" java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError:"
[01:28] <Viking667> It's not ... primetime though. I'd suggest kylix if you can get it
[01:28] <DansFloyd> ok, the 'rm *.mp3 -f' isnt working... all the .mp3 files are in folders... casue they were 'organized' by itunes
[01:28] <QMario> Michi, where does it look to?
[01:28] <apokryphos> brownie17: it was taken out of hoary-extras
[01:28] <DansFloyd> any thoughts?
[01:28] <_rb_> hoary-extras: see through crotchless thong.
[01:28] <unkn0wn2u> rm *.mp3 -rf
[01:29] <Jowi> tristanmike: that really IS crap support. less than 2 years old. sheesh!
[01:29] <DansFloyd> k, ill try
[01:29] <unkn0wn2u> oh wait
[01:29] <apokryphos> brownie17: you can wget http://giannaros.org/public/hoarydebs/w32codecs_1%253a20050216-0.0_i386.deb for now though
[01:29] <QMario> Michi?
[01:29] <unkn0wn2u> dont do that
[01:29] <DansFloyd> ?
[01:29] <Jowi> apokryphos: when was w32codecs removed?
[01:29] <DansFloyd> k
[01:29] <apokryphos> Jowi: a few days ago
[01:29] <tristanmike> Jowi, no where to be found on the site, like it doesn't exist
[01:29] <apokryphos> Jowi: along with realplayer, sun java, and a few other things.
[01:29] <Viking667> what about j2sdk, for that matter? I added multiverse, it's not apparently in there.
[01:29] <_rb_> you'd prolly be able to get it from www.mplayerhq.hu then go to the codec downloads
[01:30] <Viking667> mrm.
[01:30] <apokryphos> _rb_: the w32codecs link is above; you can use that.
[01:30] <Viking667> So I get to install Sun's if I install java at all.
[01:30] <brownie17> apokryphos, why was it taken out of extras? and what is "wget"? or was that a typo?
[01:30] <brownie17> jowi: i have repos enalbed
[01:30] <Jowi> apokryphos: any word of why?
[01:30] <apokryphos> brownie17: man wget
[01:30] <apokryphos> Jowi, brownie17: taken out for legal reasons.
[01:30] <michi> QMario,what ide are you using?
[01:30] <Jowi> oh
[01:31] <QMario> Michi, I am using the Terminal.
[01:31] <michi> QMario, ok
[01:31] <_rb_> nothanks, i'm good, i prefer not to taint my system with ugly microsoft crap. thanks all the same
[01:31] <QMario> Michi, NetBeans is "apparently" fine.
[01:31] <apokryphos> Viking667: sun's java debs were taken out of hoary-extras, but you can still get it from this repository...
[01:31] <QMario> Hello cafuego_!!! :)
[01:31] <brownie17> apokryphos, so for wgetting w32, i would need to type "wget http://giannaros.org/public/hoarydebs/w32codecs_1%253a20050216-0.0_i386.deb", exactly?
[01:31] <apokryphos> brownie17: yes, or just download it the way you normally would
[01:32] <brownie17> apokryphos, i laways use synaptic, it is tens times easier
[01:32] <apokryphos> brownie17: well, not this time (it's not in apt)
[01:32] <_rb_> generally easier to get the names right too.
[01:32] <brownie17> ahhhh
[01:32] <_rb_> and as an added bonus you can search repositories
[01:33] <apokryphos> Here it is: deb http://ubuntu.tower-net.de/ubuntu/ hoary java
[01:33] <brownie17> apokryphos, so why are there two of these downloader thingers? ("apt-get" & "wget")?
[01:33] <dooglus> brownie17: wget is general purpose
[01:34] <dooglus> it will download any http:// or ftp:// URL
[01:34] <brownie17> dooglus, gotcha
[01:34] <dooglus> wget doesn't install packages - it doesn't even know it is a package.
[01:34] <GhostFreeman> I keep trying to update a package but it tells me "foobar (=1.1.2-2.1) but 1.2.1.002-1 is to be installed"
[01:34] <mik3> what's a powerful console cd-burning application, this k3b POS application craps out whenever my screen saver goes off (it never did this on fbsd or any MS os's so please hold your trolls)
[01:34] <opo> does open office spreadsheet have a wordwrap thingy?
[01:34] <GhostFreeman> how would I fix this
[01:35] <QMario> Michi?
[01:35] <brownie17> GhostFreeman, you have backports enabled?
[01:35] <GhostFreeman> I believe so
[01:35] <michi> QMario, wasnt there any info on how to use that package? or is it something you have written yourself?
[01:36] <QMario> Michi, TurtleGraphics.jar and BreezySwing.jar.
[01:36] <GhostFreeman> what do I do with backports, disable it
[01:36] <brownie17> GhostFreeman, well (im not real sure) but backports gives you newer version, and if this program is trying to find an older one, and it's getting this new version which technically according to it, does not exist, then it is going to have trouble. i had the same problem with smeg.
[01:36] <_rb_> anyone successfully imported a wiki dump file ?
[01:36] <_rb_> coz i'm getting errors in my stuff. a file named article.php dies on line 934
[01:37] <GhostFreeman> im trying to get libim2lib-dev
[01:37] <_rb_> every Fricken time
[01:37] <GhostFreeman> what would I do from here
[01:37] <brownie17> GhostFreeman, well try uninstalling whatever is causing the problem, then unenable backports, then install the problem file again, then re-enable backports. theoretically. if my assumptions before were correct. but i would double check with someone else first
[01:38] <shadeofgrey> okay...  has anybody tackled how to install openoffice 2 - BETA 2 yet?
[01:38] <shadeofgrey> because the openoffice that installs with breezy is unthinkably antiquated
[01:38] <tristanmike> hmm, why did I leave
[01:38] <brownie17> does anybody know if the openoffice2 official release will co-incide with breezy, at least to some extent?
[01:38] <apokryphos> shadeofgrey: hardly; compare it to hoary's for ancient OOo 8)
[01:39] <QMario> Michi, are you using dial-up?
[01:39] <shadeofgrey> hmmm!  it seems i may have  the latest version afterall
[01:39] <shadeofgrey> hooray!  the ubuntu update really works!
[01:39] <shadeofgrey> ...but stuff is still broken
[01:40] <apokryphos> oh wait, erm, beta2 is in breezy
[01:40] <shadeofgrey> i now have TWO screensaver menus in Preferences that lead to the same place
[01:40] <michi> QMario,  i have dsl here, iam using a wrt54@openwrt as router
[01:40] <brownie17> shadeofgrey, then stick to the proper releases!
[01:40] <dooglus> running 'lilo' in breezy gives me a warning.  is it important?  :
[01:40] <dooglus> Warning: '/proc/partitions' does not match '/dev' directory structure.
[01:40] <dooglus>     Name change: '/dev/dm-0' -> '/dev/evms/hda1'
[01:40] <cafuego_> brownie17: I doubt it. Different organisations working on different products. I doubt OOo2 cares aboot what ubuntu does.
[01:40] <brownie17> shadeofgrey, the next version of smeg will be able to fix this
[01:40] <shadeofgrey> brownie17:  forgive my ignorance but what the hell is smeg?
[01:41] <brownie17> cafuego_, okay
[01:41] <cafuego_> dooglus: As long as it doesn't actually fail, but only prints a warning, you're fine.
[01:41] <cafuego_> !smeg
[01:41] <ubotu> smeg is probably a Simple Menu Editor for GNOME. Get it at http://www.realistanew.com/projects/smeg/ or from backports.
[01:41] <brownie17> !tell shadeofgrey about smeg
[01:41] <shadeofgrey> ...and pardon my profanity, but who the hell decided ubuntu needs to boot like windows??
[01:41] <opo> lol
[01:41] <dooglus> cafuego_: well, I won't know until I reboot - and then it'll be too late I guess.
[01:41] <cafuego_> shadeofgrey: I did.
[01:41] <shadeofgrey> cafuego:  why, in gods name, man...  why???
[01:41] <cafuego_> shadeofgrey: If you remove the 'splash' from the lilo or grub config file, it'll stop doing it.
[01:41] <brownie17> GhostFreeman, did you try that?
[01:41] <michi> wow, how the hell do i install java?
[01:41] <dooglus> cafuego_: maybe I should just report it as a breezy bug, so it can get fixed before release/
[01:42] <GhostFreeman> yeah, I got it fixed
[01:42] <cafuego_> shadeofgrey: It's what desktop users want.
[01:42] <GhostFreeman> thanks
[01:42] <shadeofgrey> I took great pride in the fact that my OS went out of its way to NOT look like windows
[01:42] <michi> there is no sun-jdk or blackdown-jdk in synaptics?
[01:42] <apokryphos> cafuego: talking about the splashy? Seems far too dark to me
[01:42] <shadeofgrey> no, it bloody well isnt!
[01:42] <brownie17> GhostFreeman, no problem
[01:42] <cafuego_> dooglus: No, if it fails to install, it will tell you at run-time. run 'sudo lilo -v'
[01:42] <shadeofgrey> i went to a lot of trouble to stab my windows installation to death with an ice pick....
[01:42] <dooglus> shadeofgrey: apparently seeing the black and white text screen turns people off if they're not techies - it scares them into thinking that they can't use linux...
[01:42] <cafuego_> shadeofgrey: Yes, it is. if YOU don't want it, YOU can disable it.
[01:43] <brownie17> shadeofgrey, hahaha, you an MS hater?
[01:43] <shadeofgrey> brownie17:  isnt everybody?
[01:43] <adjacent> im unable to add myself to the adm group so i can tail var/log/messages, is this normal?
[01:43] <shadeofgrey> okay so how do i turn it off?  better yet - how do i make it hi-res
[01:43] <cafuego_> shadeofgrey: Anyway, it's an OSX type boot progress screen, not a windows one, which trlls you exactly nothing.
[01:43] <shadeofgrey> if it HAS to look like windows it may as well do so with some elegance
[01:44] <dooglus> shadeofgrey: you can't make it any more than 16 colors
[01:44] <cafuego_> shadeofgrey: It uses vgafb, which doesn't do a higher res. You can disable it by removing 'splash' from the ekrnel boot args, like I said before.
[01:44] <brownie17> shadeofgrey, haha, most of the experts in here have been using linux or mac for yonks, they didn't have to wintess the decline of MS personally, so they don't know how bad it got
[01:44] <dooglus> shadeofgrey: something to do with the way hibernation works apparently.
[01:44] <cef> ever since I upgraded to breezy a week ago, I've been getting "XXX quit unexpectedly" and I get a button to reload or not reload them, where XXX is "Show Desktop", "Window List" and "Workplace Switcher". Always the same three. If I hit reload, they all come back fine. Any ideas?
[01:44] <shadeofgrey> tell me theres a way to make it high res, and beautiful, and ill agree that its a mac-os feature
[01:44] <QMario> Michi, are you still here?
[01:44] <michi> do i have to add external repositories to my sources.list?
[01:44] <michi> or how do i install java on ubuntu?
[01:45] <snausages> hey all, im trying to set up a broadband connection on my old system, but my nic doesn'
[01:45] <snausages> t
[01:45] <cef> oh, this is only on login btw
[01:45] <snausages> get recognized
[01:45] <cafuego_> cef: yeah, beta software does that sometimes.
[01:45] <michi> i cant find anything  in synaptics?
[01:45] <michi> QMario,  yes aim still here
[01:45] <brownie17> cef, i am getting the same problem with hoary, except not everytime i startup. if you fix it, please let me know. my email adress is "brownie17@gmail.com"
[01:45] <QMario> Ubotu, tell michi about Java.
[01:46] <brownie17> ubotu, tell brownie17 about java
[01:46] <cef> cafuego_: always at login, never during usage. ahh well.. yeah just wondered if it was a bug in the upgrade process or a real bug
[01:46] <myNegReal> if i start the ubuntu installing without typing expert will it just start installing with all defaults or will it give options
[01:47] <cafuego_> cef: it's a bit odd, I haven't had those at login for months now.
[01:47] <shadeofgrey> where might i find better boot screens, login screens, and overall beautious addons  for ubuntu?
[01:47] <cafuego_> myNegReal: It will just install Ubuntu with Gnome.
[01:47] <DansFloyd> electric sheep is a BAD ASS screensaver
[01:47] <brownie17> ubotu, tell brownie17 about alien
[01:47] <cafuego_> myNegReal: Well, it will give you partitioning options.
[01:47] <myNegReal> will it ask what partition to install on?
[01:47] <myNegReal> ah k
[01:47] <michi> wow
[01:47] <michi> why the hell is there no ready to use package?
[01:48] <cafuego_> for what?
[01:48] <michi> java
[01:48] <cef> michi: license issues
[01:48] <michi> h,
[01:48] <cafuego_> michi: Sun forbids it.
[01:48] <michi> but why do they not include the blackdown jre or jdk builds? like on gentoo?
[01:48] <cafuego_> michi: The wiki has clear instructions, that work fine.
[01:48] <cafuego_> michi: Because they're old.
[01:49] <michi> hm but 1.4 is ok for most stuff
[01:49] <apokryphos> !tell michi about java issue
[01:49] <Viking667> and I'm using 1.5 here on Mandriva. It's okay.
[01:49] <cef> michi: 1/4 has some rather nasty bugs
[01:49] <cef> michi: err, 1.4 even
[01:49] <ubuntuguy> what's worse is that java GUI applications don't work on ubuntu yet
[01:49] <cafuego_> Gentoo users don't care about bugs, they're running one alrge bug.
[01:49] <Viking667> "bugs"?
[01:49] <cafuego_> ubuntuguy: Mine work fine.
[01:49] <Viking667> ubuntuguy: they don't?
[01:50] <_rb_> as do mine
[01:50] <michi> hm
[01:50] <ubuntuguy> some sort of bridging libraries aren't working yet
[01:50] <michi> i never had any problems with gentoo
[01:51] <michi> we do even sell gameservers which have gentoo hardended installed
[01:51] <_rb_> every java app i run works fine. i just dont like java so i dont run much
[01:51] <ubuntuguy> cafuego: what are you running?
[01:51] <cafuego_> ubuntuguy: propietary meeting software
[01:52] <michi> ok
[01:52] <ubuntuguy> is it swing or awt or eclipse?
[01:52] <cafuego_> swing
[01:52] <ubuntuguy> maybe I should check again...
[01:52] <cafuego_> Works fine on everything, except Linux PPC.
[01:53] <timewave> What is the pathway to open a terminal?
[01:53] <bipolar> help!!! I cant get X working. I just upgraded to breezy on my wifes pc. I get the error "could not open default font 'fixed';". I've tried reinstalling xfonts-base. no dice. I've reconfigured xserver-xorg. nothing. I cant find out whats causing the problem?
[01:54] <holycow> does anyone know what app in gnome 2.10 watches for file changes?
[01:54] <holycow> something doesn't let me eject the cdrom and i suspect that is what it is
[01:55] <eduardo_ubuntu> hi guys
[01:55] <shadeofgrey> okay i dound soemthing else broken...  firefox nolonger sets the dedsktop wallpaper directly by rigfht clicking on an image and saying "set as wall;paper"..  it correctly puts it in the background image listr under preferences but thats all...
[01:55] <eduardo_ubuntu> i need some help with windowmaker
[01:55] <shadeofgrey> damn...  theres lots of broken stuff
[01:55] <shadeofgrey> should have waited
[01:55] <holycow> oh its called gam_server
[01:55] <eduardo_ubuntu> i am newbe in linux
[01:55] <shadeofgrey> is breezy officially out?
[01:55] <holycow> if anyone cares
[01:56] <timewave> Can anyone tell me why I can browse website but I cant download anything or connect to internet radio?
[01:56] <robzon> hi all
[01:56] <robzon> who's running breezy + nvidia card?
[01:57] <eduardo_ubuntu> does anyone use windomaker
[01:57] <ubuntuguy> when I try to run a simple java swing program on Ubuntu, I get this ... Exception in thread "main" java.awt.AWTError: Cannot load AWT toolkit: gnu.java.awt.peer.gtk.GtkToolkit
[01:57] <apokryphos> timewave: browsing a website downloads things
[01:57] <sudonim> robzon: I am
[01:58] <TokenBad> install kde
[01:58] <robzon> sudonim: and no problems with it?
[01:58] <TokenBad> and use it for gui
[01:58] <timewave> yeah but I cant download a program or get it to connect to internet radio. Protocol problem, maybe?
[01:58] <sudonim> nope: try the instructions on: http://ubuntuguide.org/#installnvidiadriver
[01:58] <selinium> hi apokryphos
[01:58] <apokryphos> Hi selinium
[01:58] <sudonim> that got my official Nvidia driver working - if you dont see the nvidia logo come up, then 3d wont work well.
[01:59] <robzon> sudonim: the driver loads, and rendering is enabled, but I get VERY low fps in glxgears, and wine won't start
[01:59] <Zodiac> hey guys, sup
[01:59] <dan__> hi
[01:59] <sudonim> robzon: What card have you got?
[01:59] <robzon> sudonim: geforce 6200
[01:59] <Zodiac> my ubuntu desktop manager says there is a "desktop update" that is cant download
[01:59] <Zodiac> how do i get it?
[01:59] <selinium> are there problems at marillet? repos seem to be down?
[02:00] <robzon> sudonim: and when I try to install nvidia-glx-legacy it has some conlicts with libmesa... and I can't remove mesa because the whole OS depends on that
[02:00] <sudonim> that is going to be more than adequate and should work with the Nvidia drivers... check out those instructions because I believe you are using the stock Nvidia driver which will not do opengl very quickly
[02:00] <robzon> on breezy everything was gfine
[02:00] <thwack> What is the command to see where the package manager put all the files for a package?
[02:00] <sudonim> why arent you installing nvidia-glx?
[02:01] <j0nas`> hmm, i seem to have a keyboard mapping problem when i log in through vnc server?  what gives?
[02:01] <Zodiac> How do I get a "desktop update"? Is there a terminal command?
[02:01] <robzon> sudonim: I am SURE that I'm using nvidia's drivers.. believe me, I could configure nvidia drivers manually on slackware ;)
[02:01] <robzon> sudonim: because they don't work... and the older version was ok
[02:01] <j0nas`> i type asd and i get abf
[02:01] <cef> argh! ubuntu's bugzilla is so horribly unusable. it's useless trying to find a bug in it
[02:02] <robzon> sudonim: glxinfo shows that direct rendering is enabled, most things work fine... :/
[02:02] <robzon> it's really weird
[02:02] <dooglus> cef: try the 'launchpad' thing they use on universe if you want unusable!
[02:02] <dooglus> bugzilla is a dream in comparison!
[02:02] <sudonim> Robzon: ah... not sure... Im new to Ubuntu, but not new to the Nvidia drivers or to linux. You could always stray from apt and install the Nvidia drivers from their source files
[02:02] <cef> dooglus: yeah I know.. but it's not like it'd take much to make it usable
[02:02] <dooglus> cef, what's the problem exactly?
[02:03] <sudonim> Robzon: I have to say, the instructions at: http://ubuntuguide.org/#installnvidiadriver made getting opengl working seamless for me
[02:03] <selinium> sudonim: i think ubuntuguide is down.
[02:03] <cef> dooglus: well for a start, there is no way to view the latest 100-200 bugs or so...
[02:03] <bipolar> Gah! I can't figure this out. Can anyone help me with could not open default font 'fixed'
[02:04] <cef> dooglus: and if your search doesn't return a hit in the top 200 bugs, you can't look at the next 200
[02:04] <selinium> !ubuntuguide
[02:04] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, ubuntuguide is out of date, breaks PCs and doesn't explain anything. The official FAQ Guide, which is based on ubuntuguide will soon be the help menu in Breezy. For more information see !faq.
[02:04] <selinium> sudonim, ^^^^
[02:04] <cef> dooglus: and the search dialog is horribly simple or horribly complex.. there needs to be a middle ground
[02:04] <sudonim> you are right... I have it open from before so I could give you the instructions
[02:05] <Knelix> Hello.
[02:05] <cef> dooglus: I'd rather not waste someones time reporting a bug, getting it juggled by 10 people till it gets to the right place, and then getting marked as a duplicate
[02:05] <Zodiac> dammit
[02:05] <Zodiac> sudo apt-get dist-update is not working, I cannot seem to get this ubuntu-desktop update
[02:06] <Zodiac> anybody know what the deal is??
[02:06] <apokryphos> Zodiac: that command's wrong
[02:06] <apokryphos> Zodiac: what are you trying to do?
[02:06] <mik3> why is it so difficult for this box to burn a CD?!
[02:06] <robzon> sudonim: it seems that my DNS server doesn't know the domain... Host ubuntuguide.org not found: 3(NXDOMAIN) :/
[02:06] <Fiyawerx> hey guys, is anyone having problems with the backport servers?
[02:06] <Zodiac> Get this final update
[02:06] <dooglus> cef: when I search the bugs it shows all results, not just the first 200.
[02:06] <Fiyawerx> yeah robzon , ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net also
[02:06] <Fiyawerx> not just the guide
[02:06] <apokryphos> Zodiac: "final update"?
[02:06] <cef> dooglus: interesting.. are you using the simple search or the advanced?
[02:06] <Fiyawerx> no dns for the repositories :(
[02:07] <Zodiac> I got a whole bunch of updates
[02:07] <robzon> damn, not good :/
[02:07] <Zodiac> but one was "held back"
[02:07] <dooglus> cef: simple.  I just searched for "the" and got 429 bugs back
[02:07] <Zodiac> ubuntu-desktop
[02:07] <dooglus> all 429 were shown
[02:07] <Zodiac> How do I get it?
[02:07] <apokryphos> Zodiac: a whole bunch of updates doing....?
[02:07] <rukuartic> Be expectin to see more'f me.
[02:07] <Fiyawerx> oh well guess i have to wait till tomorrow lol
[02:07] <apokryphos> Zodiac: not being very descriptive here :)
[02:07] <rukuartic> We be getting broadband! As in not dialup! ^_^
[02:07] <Fiyawerx> hopefully its back up by then
[02:07] <apokryphos> Zodiac: are you trying to upgrade to breezy or something?
[02:07] <bipolar> wtf
[02:07] <Zodiac> I already have
[02:07] <Zodiac> I ran the terminal
[02:08] <Zodiac> And upgraded
[02:08] <apokryphos> Zodiac: and how did you upgrade?
[02:08] <bipolar> nm all. it just started working. I don't know why.
[02:08] <Zodiac> no
[02:08] <Zodiac> I have been on Breezy for a while
[02:08] <apokryphos> Zodiac: with a sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade?
[02:08] <apokryphos> I see, ok.
[02:08] <cef> dooglus: annoying.. mine is always limited to a max of 200.. grrr
[02:08] <Zodiac> but there have been updates since then
[02:08] <Zodiac> but I cant get one
[02:08] <dooglus> cef, if I use the simple search from the front page, I get all hits. if I go to https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/query.cgi and use simple search I only get 200...
[02:08] <apokryphos> Zodiac: put in that above command then
[02:08] <Zodiac> I did
[02:08] <robzon> and there is a very bad dependency error in nvidia-glx-legacy package
[02:08] <dooglus> cef, search using the box on the bottom of https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/ itself
[02:09] <cef> dooglus: interesting
[02:09] <Zodiac> and I got a message saying that it was held back
[02:09] <rukuartic> WINDOWS! (Sorry, just getting attention.) How do you run root commands with sudo? Isn't that a little comprimising on security? Do you have to enter the root pw to use it or something?
[02:09] <Daehlie> is support for pci-e ati vid cards still broken for xorg in breezy
[02:09] <apokryphos> Zodiac: for several reasons, often. You shouldn't be worried about it or anything
[02:09] <harksaw> I've found that Ubuntu is several orders of magnitude better than Fedora. More stuff works, and it's a lot faster on my ancient old laptop. I'm very pleased.
[02:09] <apokryphos> Zodiac: if you really want to, install the new pack manually.
[02:10] <Zodiac> ? So it is okay?
[02:10] <robzon> rukuartic: you have to be added to /etc/sudoers then you use your user password, but only allowed users may use it, so it's ok
[02:10] <rukuartic> robzon: Gotcha.
[02:10] <apokryphos> Zodiac: yes
[02:10] <rukuartic> robzon: so to add myself, do I just add a shortcut to /usr/myusername ? or edit a text file?
[02:10] <Zodiac> Will I get it eventually?
[02:11] <sudonim> rozon & selinium: Check out: http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:oCNVrC8mgQ8J:ubuntuguide.org/+&hl=en
[02:11] <sudonim> that is google's cache
[02:11] <robzon> rukuartic: you just need to be in admin group
[02:11] <robzon> sudonim: thx
[02:11] <cef> dooglus: thanks.. still annoying that you can't sort backwards by ID number though *sigh*
[02:11] <apokryphos> Zodiac: the packages are held back for several reasons (often). Sometimes it's because conflicting packages; to have one, you won't need/use the other
[02:11] <apokryphos> Zodiac: what package is it?
[02:11] <Zodiac> I have no idea... How do I find out?
[02:12] <rukuartic> robzon: <-- windows user, switching to linux as soon as he gets fiber
[02:12] <apokryphos> Zodiac: it says "the following packages have been kept back:" (and produces a list)
[02:12] <apokryphos> Zodiac: if you're putting that command in, that is.
[02:12] <Zodiac> it just says "ubuntu-desktop"
[02:12] <dooglus> cef, are you sure you can't?  I'll look into it.
[02:13] <apokryphos> Zodiac: that's a metapackage; update it if you like (and take a note of what it would remove if it were installed)
[02:13] <robzon> rukuartic: welcome to the world of linux then :)
[02:13] <_n00blar_> Zodiac, try using Synaptic..I had the same problem and I used synaptic and it did the update
[02:13] <dooglus> cef, although usually I just search on the package name and that cuts it down enough
[02:13] <robzon> rukuartic: well, not yet, but soon
[02:13] <Zodiac> Is that the package name?
[02:13] <Fiyawerx> can anyone successfully look up  ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net ?
[02:13] <CountDown> shiver me timbers... d'any of ye know from which package /usr/include/usb.h come?
[02:13] <apokryphos> Zodiac: ubuntu-desktop is the name of it, yes.
[02:13] <cef> dooglus: yeah well, when you get a lot of hits back, it makes it harder
[02:13] <apokryphos> Fiyawerx: what's the problem?
[02:14] <Fiyawerx> can't find dns entries for it, don't think im the only one having the issue either
[02:14] <Fiyawerx> same as the ubuntuguide problem, basically
[02:14] <Zodiac> WEll I seach for it, but how do I upgrade it with synaptic manager??
[02:14] <sudonim> I have to say, which I am sure you are all aware of: Ubuntu is THE BEST linux distro out there. I have used redhat from version 5, fedora, debian, gentoo, mandrake, suse and handsdown ubuntu has been the best overall experience
[02:14] <robzon> sudonim: well, that worked on hoary, but now it doesn't.. I've got no idea what wrong, the driver loads for SURE.. I see the nvidia logo and glxinfo tells me direct rendering is ok... maybe new drivers have some problems with my card
[02:15] <Fiyawerx> ** server can't find ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net: SERVFAIL
[02:15] <j0nas`> does anyone know, can you do openGL through vnc server?
[02:15] <Zodiac> ahh I see
[02:15] <Zodiac> weird
[02:15] <Zodiac> it is a screensaver upgrade?
[02:15] <Zodiac> strange....
[02:15] <_n00blar_> yes
[02:15] <rukuartic> robzon: How do you log in as root on ubuntu?
[02:15] <Zodiac> whoa
[02:15] <robzon> rukuartic: you don't
[02:15] <snowowl> Say I use apt to install a package with xyz as a dependency (no other packages depend on xyz) if I uninstall that package why doesn't apt also remove xyz. Is there a way to make it do that.
[02:15] <Zodiac> it is removing xscreensaver??
[02:15] <rukuartic> robzon: Thats interesting...
[02:15] <apokryphos> Fiyawerx: could be down; ubuntuforums backports are fairly notorious for that
[02:15] <Zodiac> How come?
[02:15] <_n00blar_> Zodiac, on the left panel you should see an update entry...
[02:16] <apokryphos> Fiyawerx: though it's up from here, it seems.
[02:16] <Zodiac> I hope I dont lose my screensavers
[02:16] <Fiyawerx> can i set the ip somewhere like a hosts file?
[02:16] <robzon> rukuartic: you don't need to, because you can allow users to do administrative tasks
[02:16] <sudonim> robzon: I dont know what to tell you - try from the nvidia sources. They should have instructions on modifying the Xf86config file and everything to replace with your custom compiled driver. It will just take a while
[02:16] <Fiyawerx> i need the IP if you wouldn't mind
[02:16] <robzon> rukuartic: it's more secure this way
[02:17] <_n00blar_> Zodiac, u get an updated xscreensavers
[02:17] <apokryphos> Fiyawerx: weird; I can't ping it apparenlty
[02:17] <rukuartic> robzon: ok... so is there different levels of administrator levels?
[02:17] <Fiyawerx> oh, well, good to know it's not just me :) thank's a lot
[02:17] <Zodiac> I got "gnome screensaver"
[02:18] <Zodiac> never heard of it
[02:18] <robzon> sudonim: I don't think recompiling would help.. now as I think about it more, there was a thread on a similar bug... the GPU won't even get warm and the performance is tragic.. I'll check out nvidia forums.. thx for help!
[02:18] <apokryphos> Fiyawerx: manually go to the URL though, and you can get whatever you want..
[02:18] <Zodiac> :)
[02:18] <Zodiac> brb gotta restart
[02:18] <Fiyawerx> i can't
[02:18] <robzon> rukuartic: well, almost.. you choose what tasks can a user do
[02:18] <Fiyawerx> if i can't ping it, i can't go to the url either
[02:18] <Fiyawerx> i won't look up the dns entry
[02:18] <apokryphos> You'd think so
[02:18] <apokryphos> Fiyawerx: http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net/dists/hoary-extras/ doesn't load for you?
[02:19] <Fiyawerx> oh, i didn't mean my ping times out, it wont evn try to ping
[02:19] <Fiyawerx> ** server can't find ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net: SERVFAIL
[02:19] <Fiyawerx> oops
[02:19] <Fiyawerx> i'll try again
[02:19] <Fiyawerx> apokryphos: nope, hangs on "looking up ..." in the status bar
[02:19] <apokryphos> odd
[02:19] <apokryphos> Fiyawerx: maybe your ip is banned ;-)
[02:20] <Fiyawerx> hmm
[02:20] <Fiyawerx> i tried it from a few different ones
[02:20] <robzon> sudonim: the funny thing is that glxgears doesn't even show fps :) normally it does even in software rendering mode
[02:20] <Fiyawerx> unless silenceisdefeat.org is banned, and rpa.metlife.com, no clue why both would be
[02:20] <Fiyawerx> well you said you couldnt resolve it either, right? like an nslookup?
[02:21] <apokryphos> Fiyawerx: I couldn't ping; loads in browser fine though.
[02:21] <snowowl> oh, ok aptitude removes unused dependencies
[02:21] <rukuartic> robzon: There's a config utility or something?
[02:22] <aarkerio> Hi, Breezy is near of stabilty or far away?
[02:22] <robzon> rukuartic: yup, there is
[02:23] <apokryphos> aarkerio: pretty stable now
[02:23] <robzon> aarkerio: it's pretty near I'd say
[02:23] <Fiyawerx> i found a post about the guide site
[02:23] <Fiyawerx> "I'm currently changing ubuntuguide to another server. It will be down for 2 to 3 days, so they say "
[02:23] <Fiyawerx> so that explains that one
[02:23] <snowowl> Breezy is cool  - I use it - packages are updated all the time (to get ready for the realese) - and already better then Hoary
[02:24] <ssdd65> how do i make a dual head?
[02:24] <rukuartic> can you set up ubuntu to be a firewall?
[02:24] <evian> I have a compact flash card that I can't seem to mount. I kinda thought it would just automount. I see it is /dev/hde, but mount -t vfat /dev/hde /media/cf doesn't work
[02:24] <michi> rukuartic,  sure
[02:25] <michi> rukuartic, why not all you need is netfilter in the kernel and iptables command in userland
[02:25] <evian> it says: mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hde,
[02:25] <evian>        missing codepage or other error
[02:25] <evian> but it mounts fine under windows
[02:25] <robzon> rukuartic: on ubuntu, you can do everything you could do on any other distro :)
[02:25] <ssdd65> how do i mkae a dualhead in ubuntu?
[02:25] <rukuartic> michi: <-- linux n00b.
[02:26] <michi> evian,  sure  your are trying to mount the device not the partition on it
[02:26] <michi> evian,  try /dev/hde1 or so
[02:26] <evian> michi: oh ok thanks
[02:26] <linuxN00b> michi: are those installed by default, or do you aptget them?
[02:26] <evian> hehe I'm the n00b
[02:26] <evian> that worked
[02:26] <evian> /dev/hde1
[02:27] <Zodiac> hey guys, thanks, that update worked
[02:27] <evian> michi: THANKS!
[02:27] <michi> linuxN00b,  dunno if the kernel image comes with the netfilter and routing stuff
[02:27] <robzon> linuxN00b: iptables is in base system
[02:27] <michi> evian,  no prob
[02:27] <Zodiac> but this new screensaver management stinks
[02:27] <robzon> michi: yup, it does
[02:27] <Zodiac> how do I get to the advanced options?
[02:27] <Viking667> err, click on <advanced>> >?
[02:28] <Zodiac> hmm
[02:28] <Zodiac> I dont have those options
[02:28] <karljp> I'm seeing that a lot of networkmagic and laptop mission got deferred from breezy?
[02:28] <ssdd65> how do i setup a dual head?
[02:29] <karljp> how much nicer is breezy looking like being for wireless and laptops?
[02:29] <family> how do i get suspend2 support?
[02:29] <karljp> are there any substantial improvements?
[02:29] <michi> ssdd65,  what gfx card? ati or nvidia?
[02:30] <xareum> I have downloaded the file http://download.ubuntuforums.org/ubuntusetup/sources.list
[02:30] <xareum>  but this say me a error. Where can I find other? Thanks
[02:30] <karljp> networkmanager from redhat looks nice, but hasn' tbeen updated since may? is this still active? is there anything else I should be looking for?
[02:30] <dionysus> why can't I save anything to my floppy drive?
[02:30] <Bicchi> michi, i have dual head configured using ATI but i can not get to use fglrx. can you help?
[02:30] <linuxN00b> michi: robzon: does netfilter work with MAC addresses?
[02:31] <cyphase> is i'm logged onto a computer, and the screen is locked, how does someone else log onto their account?
[02:31] <cyphase> without me entering my password
[02:31] <Fiyawerx> is there any reason why you wouldnt want to use ubuntu, then load kde onto it via synaptic? as opposed to running kubuntu from the start?
[02:32] <michi> Bicchi,  whats the problem?
[02:32] <Bicchi> i can not use the fglrx driver only the ATI
[02:32] <michi> Bicchi,  why?
[02:32] <michi> does x fail to start when using fglrx?
[02:32] <Bicchi> michi, it just does not work. X would not start
[02:32] <Bicchi> yes
[02:33] <michi> Bicchi,  what does the logfile say?
[02:33] <hosler> How do i configure/use tor?
[02:33] <robzon> linuxN00b: yup
[02:33] <Bicchi> michi, let me take a look
[02:33] <cef> cyphase: if you're using breezy, the locked screen dialog should have a button saying "switch user".
[02:33] <spazz> what command do i use to install debain packages?
[02:33] <michi> linuxN00b,  netfilter can do almost all you want
[02:34] <cyphase> and if i'm not?
[02:34] <Zodiac> Okay, just an FYI... the new screensaver manager in Breezy is the sucks
[02:34] <_n00blar_> Is there an application that I can use to backup/sync my PocketPC PDA?
[02:34] <cyphase> i have breezy on my test machine, but not the main one
[02:34] <cef> cyphase: then you're out of luck for the moment
[02:34] <cyphase> lol
[02:34] <robzon> linuxN00b: there is advanced routing, traffic shaping, firewalls, everything ;)
[02:34] <yhann> Is there anyone experience Ubuntu on Dell laptop?
[02:34] <dooglus> it's WHAT, Zodiac?
[02:34] <karljp> yhann: probably thousands
[02:34] <Zodiac> The sucks?
[02:34] <cyphase> ok
[02:34] <_n00blar_> yhann, what model?
[02:34] <cef> cyphase: it's been added since hoary shipped
[02:34] <Zodiac> Generally meaning, not good
[02:34] <dooglus> what is the sucks?
[02:35] <spazz> what command do i use to install debain packages?
[02:35] <Zodiac> Where are the advanced options?
[02:35] <cyphase> ceff
[02:35] <cyphase> oops
[02:35] <hosler> How do i configure/use tor?
[02:35] <cyphase> cef, i don't have it on my install
[02:35] <Fiyawerx> im running it on a dell latitude d600 right now
[02:35] <michi> spazz,  dkpg -i package.de
[02:35] <michi> *deb
[02:35] <yhann> ok, Why I can not detect My Palm connected on USB port?
[02:35] <cef> cyphase: it's not available in hoary is what I meant
[02:35] <karljp> probably ntohing to do with dell :)
[02:35] <haja> I installed the Ubuntu Firewall and now I would like to uninstall it. Can anyone give me a hand?
[02:35] <Fiyawerx> agreed lol, no clue on that one
[02:35] <P229> can anyone recommend a wireless pcmcia card for hoary?
[02:35] <Knelix> Hey guys. I just ordered a Geforce FX5200 128MB video card for my new budget Ubunto PC. Anyone had experiences with that particular card? I was told ATI (based) cards were better, driver-wise for Ubunto, which is why I chose this card. Anyone have good or bad to say about it (I can still cancel my order!)?
[02:35] <spazz> thanks michi
[02:36] <Da_SWAT> yhann, palm zire?
[02:36] <michi> yhann,  does lsusb show the device?
[02:36] <dooglus> Zodiac: the advanced settings are go to by clicking 'settings' and then 'advanced'.
[02:36] <goldfish> P229: atheros based card.
[02:36] <dooglus> Zodiac: are you sure it's not YOU who is 'the suck'?
[02:36] <goldfish> chipset.
[02:36] <Da_SWAT> yhann, connect it and try lsusb (see if you see it there, when it's connected)
[02:36] <Zodiac> hmmm, I guess I'm not
[02:36] <hosler> Knelix: Geforce is nvidia, isnt it?
[02:36] <npfet> hi.. have an ibook.. upgraded to breezy.. x doesn't work and for some reason single user freezes, and X freezes after it says it can't start gdm... (or at least grabs keyboard input so I can't change virtual terminals)...
[02:36] <haja> yes
[02:36] <Knelix> hosler:Yes.
[02:36] <npfet> and so I have live cd in..
[02:36] <npfet> but i can't figure out where the partitions are to mount
[02:36] <haja> I installed the Ubuntu Firewall and now I would like to uninstall it. Can anyone give me a hand?
[02:36] <npfet> it says /dev/hda is just free space
[02:37] <cyphase> cef, oh, i see
[02:37] <Fiyawerx> probably just mark for uninstall in synaptic, haja
[02:37] <npfet> (again on ibook)
[02:37] <Zodiac> but this "settins key you are talking about does not exist
[02:37] <yhann> No, Sony
[02:37] <cyphase> thenx anyway
[02:37] <evian> Knelix: that's not an ATI card
[02:37] <cyphase> thanx*
[02:37] <hosler> Knelix: nivida cards are supported well on linux
[02:37] <haja> I didn't install it from synap
[02:37] <cef> cyphase: no problem
[02:37] <yhann> Clie PEG-NX73
[02:37] <Knelix> Yes, sorry-- my mistake. I meant NVIDIA.
[02:37] <Fiyawerx> lol
[02:37] <linuxN00b> any way of verifying that when you data dump zeros to hda1 that you've successfully overwritten everything?
[02:37] <P229> goldfish: thank you
[02:37] <michi> npfet,  use fdisk -l on /dev/hdx to see what partitions are on the disk
[02:38] <dooglus> linuxN00b: you could read them back again
[02:38] <linuxN00b> dooglus: Not quite sure how to do that ;) hence my username
[02:38] <dooglus> linuxN00b: the data will still be recoverable anyway probably
[02:38] <Zodiac> ok well
[02:38] <npfet> michi: that's what i said i did.. and it shows up as just "Free space"
[02:39] <npfet> (so perhaps some partitioning difference between x86 and ppc machines?)
[02:39] <dooglus> your username is 'Administ'?
[02:39] <michi> npfet,  hm if linux was installed before it should be all ok
[02:39] <linuxN00b> dooglus: Aside from sawing the hard drive in half and filling it with cement and then shipping one half to the sun and the other to the bottom of the ocean, is there anything that can be done?
[02:39] <npfet> hmm
[02:39] <michi> did you do some partition rezising or something like that?
[02:39] <npfet> i'm not sure what to do :/
[02:39] <dooglus> linuxN00b: scissors work well
[02:40] <lintao> hello
[02:40] <goldfish> linuxN00b: there are tools for proper dat destruction
[02:40] <goldfish> *data
[02:40] <warren_> hello
[02:40] <lintao> do you want to know how to use ubuntu system
[02:40] <P229> linuxboy:
[02:40] <P229> damn
[02:40] <goldfish> lintao: yes please.
[02:40] <P229> linuxN00b: man shred
[02:40] <Zodiac> ahhh odatubuntu I cant do PMs
[02:40] <yhann> lsusb giving Sony corp Device
[02:40] <lintao> i am in china
[02:41] <warren_> i have a problem regarding server and clients
[02:41] <warren_> i am using ubunto 5.04
[02:41] <linuxN00b> P229: Heheh...
[02:41] <linuxN00b> P229: Boot&Nuke
[02:41] <rob_p> linuxN00b:   wipe is another good utility for destructively erasing data...
[02:41] <hosler> Does anyone in here use TOR?
[02:41] <goldfish> hosler: man tor
[02:41] <P229> linuxN00b: you can edit the disk with a hex editor
[02:42] <hosler> goldfish: i did, i still dont understand.
[02:42] <goldfish> hosler: what's wrong?
[02:42] <Zodiac> Can you just type in the PM channel?
[02:42] <ips> hi all
[02:42] <warren_> hello
[02:42] <P229> linuxN00b: or dd a portion of the disk to a file and open that
[02:42] <Zodiac> I need to register on this server but I forgot my password
[02:42] <warren_> what is the equivalent of internet-connection sharing in ubunto?
[02:42] <ogami1972> is there a way to route all sound thru jack?
[02:42] <hosler> goldfish: am I suppose to have a proxy server set in the tor config or does it just get around stuff on its own?
[02:43] <linuxN00b> P229: how about dd -if=/dev/zero -of=/dev/hda
[02:43] <linuxN00b> P229: and repeat with /dev/random
[02:43] <yhann> Das_Zwat: lsusb giving  Bus 001 Device 002: ID 054c:00da Sony Corp.
[02:43] <yhann> Bus 001 Device 001: ID 0000:0000
[02:43] <dooglus> I used apt-get install linux-source-2.6.12 to get the kernel source, compiled it and installed it.  but now when I boot I see nothing but a black screen until gdm starts up.  any idea how I can fix that?
[02:43] <Bicchi> michi, can you still help me with setting up dual monitor. i have the error log that was produced the X server.
[02:43] <michi> warren_,  iptables and the routing features of the linux kernel
[02:43] <P229> linuxN00b: that will overwrite the disk, but won't really verify the destruction of data
[02:43] <michi> Bicchi,  sure, maybe you can upload the error log to some pastebin or so
[02:44] <Bicchi> michi: i am sorry but do you know of any?
[02:44] <ips> Does anyone know how to increase the mic volume, I am trying to use skype which outputs sound directly to /dev/dsp but my mic volume is not loud enough, I tried to increase OSS and ALSA mic volume but it doesn't seem to work.
[02:44] <michi> Bicchi,  pastebin.com?
[02:44] <Zodiac> odatubuntu can you type what you were going to say in the PM channel anyways??
[02:45] <dooglus> linuxN00b: have you seen package "wipe"?  ("Secure file deletion")
[02:45] <Zodiac> I cant seem to "register" my nick as it "already exists"
[02:45] <bacteria> hello
[02:45] <ips> hi bact
[02:46] <Bicchi> michi: http://pastebin.com/368595
[02:46] <P229> linuxN00b: google "dban"
[02:46] <yhann> Das_Zwat: It is working now...
[02:46] <michi> Zodiac, maybe you can make nickserv send you your pw to the email you registered with?
[02:46] <rob_p> warren_:   If you are interested in setting up Ubuntu as a NAT router to provide Internet Connection Sharing, there's a how-to here: http://rob.pectol.com/content/view/28/76/  It even has a little script that you can use to establish the NAT routing policies.
[02:46] <bacteria> i just installed last night
[02:46] <bacteria> and im happy
[02:47] <bacteria> everything works on the first try
[02:47] <codenut> hi gang, really enjoying learning this. reading lots of papers.
[02:47] <Zodiac> michi how do I do that?
[02:47] <bacteria> so easy a newbie can do it
[02:47] <ogami1972> congrats bact
[02:47] <ogami1972> anyone use jack here?
[02:47] <cafuego_> Well, a newbie witgh the right hardware anyway.
[02:48] <ips> Anyone? Does anyone know how to increase the mic volume, I am trying to use skype which outputs sound directly to /dev/dsp but my mic volume is not loud enough, I tried to increase OSS and ALSA mic volume but it doesn't seem to work.
[02:48] <ogami1972> what are you trying to do- record or broadcast?
[02:49] <ips> ogamil: i'm trying to talk , it an internet phone thing
[02:49] <Bicchi> michi: look at line 892, why is it trying to use XFree86 when i am using xorg. Also line 897 shows an (EE). Maybe i should also post my xorg.conf file so that you can take a look at that also
[02:49] <eric_> can someone help me?
[02:50] <DewDude> oooh....i now have BitlBee and CGI:IRC running on this little box
[02:50] <ips> describe your problem eric
[02:50] <cafuego_> Bicchi: if it's using XFree86, it's not using X.org, in which case your /etc/X11/xorg.conf is also irrelevant.
[02:50] <eric_> i cant run tibia 7.1 coz it says lebtk8.3.so naot found and i cant find it
[02:50] <eric_> libtk8.3*
[02:51] <cafuego_> !find libtk
[02:51] <ubotu> Ubuntu Package Listing of 'libtk' (7 shown): libtk-filedialog-perl ;; libtk-img ;; libtk-objscanner-perl ;; libtk-ruby ;; libtk-ruby1.6 ;; libtk-ruby1.8 ;; libtk-tablematrix-perl.
[02:51] <Bicchi> cafuego: but i do not wish to use XFree86, how can i change it?
[02:51] <cafuego_> Bicchi: Install Xorg and remove xfree86
[02:51] <ips> eric: try a search on synaptic for libtk and install it
[02:51] <michi> Bicchi,  the one error says something that it can initiate dri? maybe you have not loaded some neccesary kernel module?
[02:51] <P8ntKid> What is a good program to make .gif images in linux/
[02:51] <P8ntKid> ?
[02:51] <zenwhen> the gimp
[02:52] <P8ntKid> Gimp can make gifs?
[02:52] <ips> ogamil: are u still there?
[02:52] <eric_> i cant run synaptic dunno why
[02:52] <cafuego_> P8ntKid: With the non-free plugins, yes.
[02:52] <Bicchi> cafuego_: but i have X.org installed
[02:52] <P8ntKid> Well, is there any free programs to make gifs?
[02:52] <cafuego_> Though I think it's gone into the free version after the patent expired as well.
[02:52] <ips> eric: then u can try apt-get
[02:52] <eric_> i did
[02:52] <reiki> you could also make jpg in Gimp and convert it to gif using ImageMagick
[02:52] <Agrajag> that is the gooniest name I have ever seen
[02:52] <cafuego_> P8ntKid: GIF was not free, so no.
[02:52] <eric_> i have tcl and tk installed
[02:52] <cafuego_> P8ntKid: Free as in freedom, not as in money.
[02:52] <eric_> still dont have library of it
[02:53] <ips> eric: but maybe not libtk...
[02:53] <cafuego_> ANyway, gimp should save to gif without any problems.
[02:53] <misfit_toy> weird, I install nvidia 7174 (because I know it's stable) but it keeps reporting it's 7676 and won't load X
[02:53] <Agrajag> P8ntKid: that's free as in speech, not free as in beer.
[02:53] <michi> eric_,  tried to start synaptics from a terminal? maybe it logs errors to the terminal?
[02:54] <ips> eric: ubotu posted the possible things u might wqnt to try to install using apt-get
[02:54] <cafuego_> misfit_toy: WHich nvidia. The kernel one of glx?
[02:54] <sproingie> beer is free?
[02:54] <Fiyawerx> did someone say before that aptitude uninstalls dependencies?
[02:54] <misfit_toy> cafuego, kernel
[02:54] <Agrajag> which never made sense to me because I always have to pay for beer
[02:54] <cafuego_> sproingie: Yes
[02:54] <eric_> apt-get cant find libtk8.3
[02:54] <misfit_toy> cafuego, I had it running on hoary fine, but breezy is not liking it
[02:54] <eric_> neither libtk
[02:54] <Schn311> question to all you out there... is there any reason to use ubuntu over just plain debain... or debian over ubuntu?
[02:54] <cafuego_> misfit_toy: That probably means nvidia-glx is 7667  (There is no 7676 in Ubuntu) and thus mismatched. Also downgrade *it*.
[02:55] <cafuego_> misfit_toy: WHich gfx card you got?
[02:55] <Schn311> i have used several distros in the past, but none were debian based... now i'd like to try one
[02:55] <misfit_toy> cafuego, hmm, let me remove that glx thing then.
[02:55] <reiki> Gimp can save as .gif ... confirmed. I just did it
[02:55] <misfit_toy> cafuego, geforce 400, in a laptop
[02:55] <ips> eric: i would try libtk-img
[02:55] <cafuego_> misfit_toy: That's the *X* driver, it's _needed_.
[02:55] <reiki> default install of Gimp
[02:55] <eric_> what?
[02:55] <sproingie> cafuego_: all this time i've been paying for it
[02:55] <ogami1972> ubuntu kicks a**- i've tried alot of distros- all have problems- ubuntu is consistently heads above
[02:56] <eric_> apt-get install libtk-img ?
[02:56] <misfit_toy> cafuego, per instructions on the forums it says it can be removed for breezy?
[02:56] <ips> eric: yes
[02:56] <cafuego_> Schn311: The main difference between debian and Ubuntu is that ubuntu is geared towards new software for desktop use, wgeeras debian focuses on stability.
[02:56] <ips> Anyone can help? : Does anyone know how to increase the mic volume, I am trying to use skype which outputs sound directly to /dev/dsp but my mic volume is not loud enough, I tried to increase OSS and ALSA mic volume but it doesn't seem to work.
[02:56] <eric_> found, cant install
[02:56] <ips> eric: why?
[02:56] <cafuego_> misfit_toy: Not if you plan on using the 'nvidia' driver in X.
[02:56] <eric_> dunno
[02:56] <misfit_toy> cafuego, ok, so how to downgrade nvidia-glx?
[02:56] <misfit_toy> to 7174
[02:56] <Schn311> thanks cafuego
[02:57] <cafuego_> misfit_toy: Find the old package; install that.
[02:57] <ogami1972> i went out and bought a new card :)
[02:57] <eric_> cant explain it on english, im brazillian and its in portuguese
[02:57] <misfit_toy> cafuego, so no apt on this one eh?
[02:57] <ips> eric: well it must give you some error msg
[02:57] <linuxN00b> eric_ Tough lough ;p
[02:57] <cafuego_> misfit_toy: Oh. does your repo have 'nvidia-glx-legacy' ?
[02:57] <eric_> it gave
[02:57] <linuxN00b> *luck
[02:57] <misfit_toy> cafuego, don't know lemme see
[02:58] <eric_> so?
[02:58] <misfit_toy> cafuego, yeah, installing that now
[02:58] <ips> eric: well not know what the error is it is hard to help!
[02:58] <cafuego_> that ort to sort you out, then :-)
[02:58] <cafuego_> !br
[02:58] <ubotu> Por favor use #ubuntu-br (/j #ubuntu-br) para ajuda em portugues. Obrigado.
[02:59] <cafuego_> They can probably help you better, if you explain in portugese there.
[02:59] <wickedpuppy> hi guys .. in my ibm t43 running breezy , i getting kernel panic when i boot up .. any help ??
[02:59] <harksaw> is there a reason why synaptic has 2.4.27 as the newest kernel? I'm pretty sure I have all the repositories selected
[02:59] <cafuego_> harksaw: Are you using warty warthog?
[02:59] <Burgundavia> harksaw, ubuntu has never shipped a 2.4 kernel
[02:59] <Bicchi> cafuego: i have xorg installed instead of Xfree86 and still see an error message in my X log file
[03:00] <Madpilot> I'm trying to duplicate audio CDs w/ Gnomebaker, but all I'm producing are coasters... what's the trick? (two drives, audio CD in one and 2nd a burner...)
[03:00] <cafuego_> Bicchi: Did you remove all xfree86-specific stuff?
[03:00] <harksaw> i think i'm using Hoary Hedgehog
[03:00] <cafuego_> Madpilot: use temp file
[03:01] <Madpilot> cafuego: use just the one drive, then?
[03:01] <eric_> cant find help on #ubuntu-br
[03:01] <cafuego_> Madpilot: if using two isn't working, yep.
[03:01] <Bicchi> cafuego_: i do not have any of Xfree86 installed, i checked under synaptic
[03:01] <tylo> Anyone here have an All-In-Wonder video card?
[03:01] <Madpilot> cafuego_: thanks - 1st time I've tried CD duplication...
[03:02] <cafuego_> Madpilot: You'd have a heart attack if you saw my workstation :-)
[03:02] <alec_> Can someone help explain how to get GNOME Bittorrent working?
[03:03] <Madpilot> cafuego_: hmmm?
[03:03] <locomorto> alec_ whats your problem
[03:03] <cafuego_> alec_: Click a .torrent in firefox, chosoe to open with gnome-bittorrent, wait for downlaod to complete. Done.
[03:03] <cafuego_> Madpilot: 7 DVDRW drives
[03:03] <linuxN00b> cafuego What the
[03:03] <Madpilot> cafuego: damn... why so many on one box?
[03:03] <alec_> cafuego_: That's all
[03:04] <locomorto> Madpilot: Try using k3b
[03:04] <cafuego_> alec_: yep
[03:04] <Snoman> how do i find out what type of graphics card i have using ubuntu?
[03:04] <cafuego_> Madpilot: I do small run cd and dvd production for clients.
[03:04] <Bicchi> cafuego_: how do i tell kernel to use X.org instead of Xfree86. like i said i do not have Xfree86 installed but do i have to do anything else?
[03:04] <Madpilot> alec_: are you running Firestarter? If so, you need to open the BT ports
[03:04] <alec_> cafuego_: But what if I want to open the actual program
[03:04] <linuxN00b> catfuego_: How many drive bays do you have? O_o
[03:04] <cafuego_> Snoman: 'lspci | grep VGA'
[03:04] <alec_> No I'm running firefox
[03:04] <cafuego_> linuxN00b: 4 spare now.
[03:04] <durt> alec_: "gnome-bittorrent"?
[03:05] <alec_> yes
[03:05] <Madpilot> alec_: Firestarter is a firewall manager, not a browser
[03:05] <durt> run that
[03:05] <cajun> my comp is running REALLY slowly.  what is the command to see how much hard drive space i have available?
[03:05] <cafuego_> linuxN00b: http://www.coolermaster.com/special_report/stc-t01/stc-t01.htm
[03:05] <alec_> Madpilot: Okay I don't thyink I have it
[03:05] <sproingie> cajun: df
[03:06] <Madpilot> alec_: OK. Firestarter isn't installed by default
[03:06] <linuxN00b> What about starting an IRC server? There any freware IRCd's out there?
[03:06] <zer0`> i have a folder with some broken thumbnails in. im guessing that thumbnails are cached, how can i clear the cache?
[03:06] <cafuego_> The disk being full won't slow the machine down though.
[03:06] <alec_> Madpilot: Ok
[03:06] <cajun> well i am only using 53% of space
[03:06] <alec_> Madpilot: So what do I do?
[03:06] <cajun> any ideas why it might be running so slowly?
[03:06] <cafuego_> linuxN00b: yeah. 'apt-cache search ircd'.
[03:06] <alec_> Your processor
[03:07] <alec_> The oldness of your hard drive
[03:07] <linuxN00b> cafuego_: Fun.
[03:07] <misfit_toy> no joy
[03:07] <alec_> Lots of different things
[03:07] <linuxN00b> cafuego_: Nuffin on SF though...
[03:07] <cajun> well i have had ubuntu installed for a few months and it is acting up just now
[03:07] <Madpilot> alec_: no idea; BT works for me, but there do seem to be a lot of defunct torrents out there that don't actually work...
[03:07] <alec_> Madpilot: Wait...
[03:07] <alec_> Madpilot: When I open the BT
[03:07] <cajun> this is more of a spare computer...not my main one.  i'm using it to practice learning linux before i go totally in...but i use it for more secure applications
[03:08] <Snoman> can someone help me? i'm trying to change my resolution...
[03:08] <alec_> Madpilot: It asks for the BT Meta file
[03:08] <alec_> Madpilot: What do I do there?
[03:08] <Madpilot> alec_: you need to have the .torrent file on your HD already, from the net somewhere
[03:08] <nalioth> linuxN00b: you may use the hyperion ircd if you wish. you are using it now.
[03:09] <alec_> Madpilot: What's a good website.
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[03:09] <linuxN00b> nalioth: I'm on a windows box...
[03:09] <sproingie> cajun: run top, and see if there's a process eating up your cpu
[03:09] <ogami1972> yuck
[03:09] <alec_> Madpilot: Wasn't there like suprnova.org
[03:09] <apokryphos> alec_: dead
[03:09] <nalioth> linuxN00b: cygwin to the rescue
[03:09] <alec_> damn
[03:09] <Madpilot> alec_: if you're just testing, try and see if you can get one of the Ubuntu isos down by BT - they're legal...
[03:09] <apokryphos> alec_: There's better ones now, anyhow
[03:09] <nalioth> linuxN00b: switch to linux
[03:09] <linuxN00b> nalioth: Heh... I'm only dreaming... I'm dialup-ped.
[03:09] <alec_> apokryphos: like what
[03:09] <linuxN00b> nalioth: Working on it...
[03:10] <Snoman> how can i change my screen resolution? thre is only one option under screen resolution for me...
[03:10] <nalioth> linuxN00b: irc is the only internet protocol that doesnt require big pipes
[03:10] <linuxN00b> nalioth: Whats holding me back is I have a win modem... which means no internet. which means there's veeeeeery little point in running linux for me.
[03:10] <alec_> then your monitor doesn't support it
[03:10] <alec_> snoman
[03:10] <misfit_toy> sheesh
[03:10] <linuxN00b> nalioth: Unless you're freenode ;p
[03:10] <Snoman> crap
[03:10] <apokryphos> alec_: torrentspy, thepiratebay, bytenova... it goes on
[03:10] <nalioth> linuxN00b: if you are only using the ircd to 'see how it workd' and only want a few folks on it
[03:10] <alec_> apokryphos: are those all .com's
[03:11] <sproingie> irc is in fact a nasty and verbose protocol
[03:11] <apokryphos> alec_: all .org
[03:11] <Bicchi> cafuego: how do i tell kernel to use X.org instead of Xfree86. like i said i do not have Xfree86 installed but do i have to do anything else?
[03:11] <alec_> apokryphos: Hey thank you very much
[03:11] <nalioth> linuxN00b: linux modems are easily acquired
[03:11] <linuxN00b> nalioth: I used fuzzball once... ran a small muck for a few days.
[03:11] <apokryphos> np
[03:11] <dooglus> where can I find the config file used to build the ubuntu kernel?
[03:11] <michi> Bicchi,  no the x server which is installed will be used
[03:11] <psusi> how can I figure out of ubunto supports my motherboard?  specifically the sata raid controller and on board sound?
[03:11] <linuxN00b> I wonder if telnet servers count as "server" in the Verizon "NO SERVER" TOS.
[03:12] <ogami1972> i would like jack mutimedia audio system- any ideas?
[03:12] <Bicchi> michi: but i have X.org installed and not XFree86 yet its looking for a module in XFree86
[03:12] <locomorto> linuxN00b SSH is far far better
[03:13] <locomorto> ogmail1972: elabourate
[03:13] <nalioth> linuxN00b: why would you want to use telnet?
[03:13] <michi> psusi,  make sure the kernel support your hardware
[03:13] <misfit_toy> cafuego,  trying to overwrite `/usr/lib/libGL.so.1', which is also in package libgl1-mesaErrors were encountered while processing:
[03:13] <michi> psusi,  maybe download and boot one of those ubuntu live-cd
[03:13] <DewDude> linuxN00b: technically, yes, it does
[03:13] <Bicchi> michi: here is my X.org log http://pastebin.com/368609
[03:13] <misfit_toy> cafuego, that was while trying to install nvidia-glx-legacy
[03:13] <DewDude> but they've never checked me
[03:13] <DewDude> and i've had http server running on my connection since day 1
[03:14] <psusi> hrm.... I mean is there a list of supported hardware in the install cd somwhere?
[03:14] <locomorto> psusi: Your onboard sound should be good
[03:14] <ogami1972> hi loco- when recording into ardour, i can hear my source piped thru alsa at the same time
[03:14] <linuxN00b> nalioth: go look up fuzzball. It works over the telnet protocall (MUCK)
[03:14] <linuxN00b> nalioth: Its that way so windows users can use it too... not just people who have special apps.
[03:15] <foampeace> hello
[03:15] <sproingie> muck does not speak telnet
[03:15] <sproingie> it's simply a raw tcp socket
[03:15] <foampeace> the synaptic package manager isnt running for some reason
[03:15] <ubuntu> #ubuntu-es
[03:15] <psusi> I mean, there has to be a page listing what modules they built into the cd somewhere right?
[03:15] <foampeace> new install...had problems with the cdrom. i guess cause its old
[03:16] <locomorto> ogami1972: Ardour wont play the sound for you?
[03:16] <sproingie> telnet client's useful to have.  telnetd is pointless
[03:16] <nalioth> linuxN00b: you've lost me with "windows users" and "special apps"
[03:16] <locomorto> ogami1972: If you use gnome then the correct output is esd, not alsa
[03:16] <foampeace> anyone know why the synaptic package manager wont start?. can i reconfig or something?
[03:16] <locomorto> foampeace: can you run sudo synaptic in a terminal?
[03:16] <linuxN00b> wow... paste bin is fun.
[03:16] <dooglus> nalioth: ssh uses special encrypted ports which don't work in windows.  duh!
[03:17] <KanRiNiN> hey, why does sftp using gftp fail?  http://pastebin.com/368611  help me out please
[03:17] <foampeace> locomorto: jus sec ill try
[03:17] <linuxN00b> nalioth: windows has a SSH client?
[03:17] <locomorto> and paste the output in http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl
[03:17] <nalioth> dooglus: they dont? they worked in my windows
[03:17] <ogami1972> i have heard differing opinions on that- will using esd fix this problem?
[03:17] <dooglus> linuxN00b: "putty" is good windows ssh client
[03:17] <nlogax> linuxN00b - yes PuTTY
[03:17] <locomorto> foampeace: and paste the output in http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl
[03:17] <nalioth> linuxN00b: yes there are several SSH clients for windows
[03:17] <linuxN00b> nalioth: Thats not pre-installed ;P
[03:17] <foampeace> locomorto: no output
[03:17] <linuxN00b> I didn't write the software
[03:17] <foampeace> no run
[03:17] <linuxN00b> I just used it ;p
[03:17] <nalioth> linuxN00b: NOTHING but trouble is preinstalled
[03:17] <locomorto> So when you try to run it, nothing at all happens?
[03:18] <dooglus> and notepad.exe
[03:18] <foampeace> locomorto: exactly
[03:18] <KanRiNiN> help out a gFTP noob http://pastebin.com/368611
[03:18] <apokryphos> foampeace: gksudo synaptic  ..no output there?
[03:18] <sproingie> putty's so nice i run a sshd on my windows box and use putty to connect to it
[03:18] <locomorto> foampeace: did it work in the past?
[03:18] <sproingie> beats hell out of a dosbox or even rxvt
[03:18] <foampeace> apokryphos: n may not run sudo on localhost.
[03:19] <foampeace> locomorto: no. new install. hasnt worked yet
[03:19] <apokryphos> foampeace: what? What's the exact output?
[03:19] <alec_> locomorto: how do i download the actual BT
[03:19] <locomorto> alec_ at torrentspy?
[03:19] <psusi> 'the actual BT'?
[03:19] <alec_> locomorto: i get it then i run the program
[03:19] <linuxN00b> nalioth: X3
[03:19] <nalioth> sproingie: i've found a win32 port of an actual 'ssh' client
[03:19] <linuxN00b> brb...
[03:19] <alec_> locomorto: and it's stuck at zero
[03:19] <foampeace> apokryphos: exactly as i pasted
[03:19] <charish17> is ubuntuguide.org down ? ... cant connect to the site ...
[03:19] <alec_> locomorto: yeah at torrent spy
[03:19] <locomorto> alec_ you have to wait a while
[03:19] <apokryphos> foampeace: you don't have sudo powers?
[03:19] <alec_> locomorto: like how long
[03:19] <apokryphos> foampeace: is "n" the username?
[03:20] <locomorto> alec_ and if you get the ones from the top then you get better speeds
[03:20] <alec_> locomorto: it's only 3.7 mb
[03:20] <foampeace> apokryphos: no its jean
[03:20] <nalioth> charish17: you are lucky. use the wiki.ubuntu.com/UserDocumentation insteead
[03:20] <charish17> thanks
[03:20] <locomorto> alec_ it all depends on how many seeds, it can take a little while to start
[03:20] <apokryphos> foampeace: so it says "n may not run sudo". Are you sure?
[03:20] <locomorto> alec: for small file i like to use gtk-gnutella
[03:20] <sproingie> nalioth: there's plenty.  i use putty for its nice terminal window
[03:20] <foampeace> apokryphos: exactly
[03:20] <Kovecses> gtk-gnutella is cool
[03:20] <locomorto> alec_: you can get it in synaptic/apt-get
[03:20] <foampeace> n may not run sudo on localhost.
[03:20] <apokryphos> foampeace: is this the first admin user?
[03:21] <apokryphos> foampeace: can you use sudo otherwise?
[03:21] <apokryphos> (with any other apps, that is)
[03:21] <locomorto> alec_: If you dont mind using the terminal, run sudo apt-get install gtk-gnutella
[03:21] <QMario> h
[03:21] <foampeace> apokryphos: hmmm doesnt look like i can sudo for anything
[03:21] <ghostdog> how do i work  k3b ?
[03:21] <alec_> locomorto: okay let me try
[03:21] <Kovecses> if you cant use the terminal use windows
[03:21] <linuxN00b> nalioth: There's a few things I've learned not to discuss... Religion, Politics, and Windows in a Linux Chatroom.
[03:21] <foampeace> apokryphos: i can be root though
[03:21] <sublime> Hola gente, tengo que crear un archivo de este estilo ".ddclient.cache", Lo creo con cualquier editor de texto. O se hace de otra forma ?
[03:22] <apokryphos> foampeace: you didn't answer the question :)
[03:22] <locomorto> ghostdog: just click on the button in the bottom part
[03:22] <Fiya_Away> apokryphos: that worked great :), last time i just tried to do the kde this seems a bit wiser
[03:22] <alec_> locomorto: couldnt find package
[03:22] <locomorto> ghostdog: you can add new ones by right clicking
[03:22] <locomorto> alec_: two secs
[03:22] <alec_> k
[03:22] <Fiyawerx> now to just customize it, have to find a nice theme lol
[03:22] <psusi> one thing I never understand is why I never get more than around 40 KB/s when downloading with bittorrent
[03:23] <apokryphos> Fiyawerx: it'll get you all the kubuntuisms too
[03:23] <apokryphos> Fiyawerx: kdelook.org!
[03:23] <foampeace> apokryphos: no i cant sudo...whats the command?
[03:23] <linuxN00b> any where to get MotD on ubuntu? apt-get it?
[03:23] <apokryphos> foampeace: so this isn't the first user?
[03:23] <Fiyawerx> yeah i was there when i had done kde, i had a problem with 2 of the themes i tried to install, they added themselves to theme-manager, but then said no preview, and wouldnt do anything when i selected them, going to give it a go again
[03:23] <michi> why cant xmms or bmp open a streaming?
[03:23] <linuxN00b> go download a 16 meg text file with a bazillion quots?
[03:23] <apokryphos> foampeace: for other users to use sudo you have ot add them to the admin group, or edit the sudoer file
[03:23] <michi> i enter the url to the stream but nothing happens
[03:23] <apokryphos> foampeace: both very easy to do
[03:23] <foampeace> apokryphos: the only user i intended to make...
[03:23] <cafuego_> psusi: it's probably using a fair bid of bandwidth to upload as well, thus slowing down downloads. (Welcome to half-duxpex intrenet)
[03:23] <ghostdog> i dont get it locomorto
[03:24] <cafuego_> fair bit
[03:24] <Fiyawerx> i see that it also added my gnome apps to the k menus
[03:24] <Fiyawerx> neat
[03:24] <psusi> cafuego: even when I limit the upload speed to make sure it isn't choking the ACKs to the incoming data, it doesn't help
[03:24] <linuxN00b> whee.
[03:24] <alec_> 
[03:24] <apokryphos> Fiyawerx: :)
[03:25] <ogami1972> how can i kill esd for once and for all?
[03:25] <locomorto> alec_: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2360
[03:25] <apokryphos> foampeace: ok, su then, and type: visudo
[03:25] <locomorto> ghostdog: What dont you get?
[03:25] <psusi> ogami1972: wear shoes that are conductive
[03:25] <ogami1972> lol
[03:25] <ghostdog> which button are u refering ?
[03:25] <ogami1972> no, just esd
[03:25] <ghostdog> locomorto :which button are u refering ?
[03:25] <psusi> I had to get new shoes for work because I was walking around with around 40-80 kV on me
[03:25] <locomorto> ghostdog: see the large buttons with things like copy cd
[03:25] <psusi> fried a few cpus
[03:25] <foampeace> apokryphos: ok...
[03:26] <Fiyawerx> does anyone use konqueror for web browsing or do you use firefox?
[03:26] <apokryphos> foampeace: now, in that file add  jean ALL=(ALL) ALL   ...near the bottom
[03:26] <foampeace> apokryphos: ok ill try..jus sec
[03:26] <apokryphos> Fiyawerx: #kubuntu for kde Qs :P
[03:26] <nalioth> Fiyawerx: i use konqueror, galeon, kazehakase for browsing
[03:26] <Fiyawerx> oh, oops
[03:26] <sproingie> psusi: anyone drawing a spark is carrying that. just tap your co-workers on the neck every so often
[03:26] <Fiyawerx> i thought i was in that chan lol, forgot i switched
[03:26] <Fiyawerx> sorry guys
[03:26] <psusi> sproingie: most peple don't built up more than 20 kV or so
[03:27] <psusi> when you see an arc that's 2 inches long, that ain't good
[03:27] <foampeace> apokryphos: sudoers file unchanged?
[03:27] <ghostdog> locomorto: i only have the  selection :application places system  and the three buttons firefox,Evolution and help
[03:27] <linuxN00b> psusi: Dang. That'd be awesome. Zap someone from 2"...
[03:27] <apokryphos> foampeace: did you add in what I said?
[03:27] <sproingie> yah, 80 kv will draw nearly an inch long spark.  don't get your nipples near any metal
[03:27] <locomorto> ghostdog: OH! So you can't even start k3b
[03:27] <psusi> and every time I'd walk thorugh the door of my office, all the hair on my arms would stand on end ( metal door frame )
[03:27] <apokryphos> foampeace: are you in nano? I think you are. If so, ctrl+x, Y.
[03:27] <alec_> locomorto: what's this for
[03:27] <psusi> iirc, air ionizes at around 40 kV per inch
[03:28] <locomorto> ghostdog: Applications -> Sound and Video -> K3b
[03:28] <psusi> so I figured the 2 inch arcs I was emiting meant I was charged at around 80 kV
[03:28] <locomorto> alec_ you know kazaa?
[03:28] <sproingie> i thought it was higher, like 30kv/cm
[03:28] <foampeace> apokryphos: ok its working now...thanks
[03:28] <thwack> What is the command in apt-get to show where files in a package were installed to?
[03:28] <apokryphos> excellent
[03:28] <locomorto> alec_: Its very much like that, except faster and with less fakes, and no spyware
[03:28] <psusi> got some nice new leather shoes and the static is gone
[03:29] <linuxN00b> psusi: haha.
[03:29] <linuxN00b> Im' out everyone
[03:29] <ghostdog> locomorto i dont see k3b in the sound and video
[03:29] <tristanmike> bye
[03:29] <foampeace> is there a package that configures dialup properly? i figured it out. but i wonder if theres some simpler package granny can use :>
[03:29] <psusi> my boss MADE me get new shoes ;)
[03:29] <sproingie> psusi: fried too much computer equipment?
[03:29] <psusi> yea
[03:29] <locomorto> ghostdog: open terminal, sudo apt-get install k3b
[03:30] <psusi> mice?  that seems like it would be hard
[03:30] <linuxN00b> Part #ubuntu "Ignore this subliminal message."
[03:30] <linuxN00b> doh.
[03:30] <psusi> I handle open circuit boards at work
[03:30] <alec_> locomorto: yes i know kazaa
[03:30] <sproingie> not old fashioned mice, more metal in those
[03:30] <alec_> locomorto: cool
[03:30] <alec_> locomorto: and this is gtk-gnutella right
[03:30] <psusi> old fashioned mice were wood ;)
[03:30] <pauldaoust> yes, and gasoline-driven
[03:30] <sproingie> i thought they were rodents
[03:30] <pauldaoust> so, folks... on the forums, I read a lot of confusion and widely varying opinions of the performance of the new GTK+ 2.8 with its Cairo backend. Have any of you tried it, and do you think it will bring the poor school network I administer (the 700MHz computers with GeForce2 cards are the really really nice ones in the network) to their knees?
[03:30] <pauldaoust> (I have to worry about some 450MHz machines whose ATI onboard chips have no support for 3D acceleration, as far as I can figure out)
[03:31] <thwack> Where does apt-get keep its database, and how do I read it
[03:31] <locomorto> alec_: If you follow that link I gave you
[03:31] <alec_> locomorto: i did
[03:31] <nlogax> pauldaoust me too. I'm trying to see how long I can use my primary system (P3-550 with 192 MB RAM)
[03:31] <cyphase> brb
[03:31] <pauldaoust> thwack: that's a good one. I'm guessing it's in /var somewhere
[03:31] <alec_> locomorto: it's posted by you:)
[03:31] <locomorto> alec_: and then rerun the command sudo apt-get install gtk-gnutella
[03:31] <psusi> can anyone recomend weather I should go for the 386 or the 64 bit install?
[03:31] <thwack> apt-get "where did you install the files for" firefox ?
[03:31] <locomorto> alec_: you can then use it
[03:31] <pauldaoust> nlogax: wow, repesent! that stuff is antique!
[03:32] <thwack> What is the option for that?
[03:32] <locomorto> alec_: Its under Applications -> Internet -> Gtk-Gnutella
[03:32] <alec_> locomorto: i have to have thopse respositories right?
[03:32] <sproingie> thwack: /var/lib/apt ... and you don't, unless you're an experienced apt and perl hacker
[03:32] <locomorto> alec_ yes
[03:32] <nlogax> pauldaoust yeah well I get most of py PCs from the rubbish
[03:32] <pauldaoust> thwack: so are you looking for the package cache, or the list of installed files, or...?
[03:32] <pauldaoust> nlogax: cooool :)
[03:32] <locomorto> alec_: you have access to a lot more stuff with those repositories
[03:32] <thwack> "rpm -qi somepackage" for apt-get
[03:32] <selinium> how do you install a .bin file? (realplayer)
[03:33] <nlogax> pauldaoust and hand-me-downs from work..  I refurb them, install Ubuntu and give them to friends
[03:33] <thwack> Just the list of installed files for a package
[03:33] <sproingie> selinium: you run it
[03:33] <locomorto> sleinium: chmod +x <file .bin>
[03:33] <alec_> locomorto: do you have AIm
[03:33] <thwack> How do I know where it put stuff?
[03:33] <locomorto> ./<file .bin>
[03:33] <thwack> Shouldn't I need to know?
[03:33] <selinium> locomorto, cheers
[03:33] <sproingie> thwack: hopefully you don't have to
[03:33] <pauldaoust> thwack: golly, it's been I while since I used an RPM distro; I don't know what the -qi mean
[03:33] <foampeace> its great that i can use linux at grannies and she can use it too :>
[03:34] <thwack> pauldaoust , -qi will print a list for all files installed by a package.
[03:34] <moshe> what's up with backports?  I can't update my apt source
[03:34] <pauldaoust> thwack: ah, I getcha
[03:34] <thwack> It must keep that record so it knows what to remove when you uninstall
[03:34] <alec_> locomorto: i can't talk like that
[03:35] <alec_> locomorto: i'm not registered
[03:35] <locomorto> type /join #locomorto
[03:35] <pauldaoust> thwack: not sure; I've noticed Synaptic doesn't list the contained files in a package until you actually install it. are you looking for the file list of an already installed package?
[03:35] <sproingie> thwack: that's dpkg.  apt is just a front-end to dpkg (or rpm)
[03:36] <ghostdog> locomorto hmmm i musta done something wrong , i already downloaded the k3b on the internet  in synaptic
[03:36] <pauldaoust> gotta leave, folks. have to restart my compy
[03:36] <pauldaoust> (by the way, I discoverd today that I can actually run my Athlon XP 1600+ for about seven minutes without a CPU fan... oops)
[03:36] <nalioth> pauldaoust: lucky fellow
[03:37] <sproingie> pauldaoust: impressively long time.  run it without a heatsink and it won't live past POST
[03:37] <psusi> pauldaoust: I can run mine indefinately without one... provided the system is idle ;)
[03:37] <locomorto> ghosrdog: you can run it from the terminal
[03:37] <psusi> amd64 cool and quiet rocks
[03:37] <locomorto> alec_: type join #locomorto
[03:37] <alec_> join #locomorto
[03:37] <foampeace> psusi: why so? :>
[03:37] <locomorto> oops
[03:38] <matiu> How come, I don't have deb-make on my ubuntu install? even after apt-get install debmake
[03:38] <sproingie> paulproteus: that athlon is old enough it might not have the thermal overload protection.  if the heatsink falls off, your CPU will let out the magic smoke
[03:38] <locomorto> alec_: /join #locomorto
[03:38] <ghostdog> locomorto cannot execute binary file
[03:38] <airmikey> im trying to unzip a rar file....i have unrar loaded...i keep getting ..Archive type not supported
[03:39] <Madpilot> OK, I just burned another audio coaster w/ Gnomebaker. The last chunk of it's detailed output is here - http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2361 - can anyone help me troubleshoot?
[03:39] <hosler> Where does ubuntu put its startup scripts for programs?
[03:39] <psusi> foampeace: because... when the system is mostly idle, the cpu fan shuts off because it isn't needed... keeps the electric bill down too
[03:39] <locomorto> ghostdog: try running k3b in the terminal
[03:39] <Madpilot> this burner has worked with other burns in Ubuntu before - ISOs and data...
[03:39] <foampeace> psusi: cool
[03:39] <ghostdog> locomorto it gave me this error cannot execute binary file
[03:40] <locomorto> ghostdog: when you tired to run k3b?
[03:40] <ghostdog> yeah using bash
[03:40] <foampeace> psusi: you can save a third on your energy bill also if you buy those twisty bulbs
[03:40] <michi> omg, it took me half an hour to get my bmp working :P it was this stupid esd that was blocking the device
[03:40] <psusi> foampeace: my motherboard came with a neat windows sytem trey app to monitor the cpu speed and voltage... it looks like one of those LED tachometers some cars have
[03:40] <foampeace> psusi: light bulbs i mean
[03:41] <locomorto> psusi: sudo apt-get install gdesktlets-data
[03:41] <locomorto> psusi: sudo apt-get install gdesklets-data *
[03:41] <psusi> I doubt that much seeing as how half the electric bill is running the A/C
[03:41] <psusi> and probably a quarter is the water heater, washer, dryer, and dish washer
[03:42] <Shake> What's the URL for the ubuntuguide.org mirror?
[03:42] <foampeace> psusi: ya i guess a third of regular lightbulbs
[03:42] <Madpilot> Shake: use wiki.ubuntu.com instead of the guide...
[03:42] <TokenBad> have they updated electricsheep on the repositories yet? so it don't install the old one but the knew one?
[03:42] <locomorto> Shake: you can use the google cache of the site
[03:42] <psusi> for some reason my brain is farting and I can't think of the name of those bulbs that are not incandesent
[03:42] <locomorto> you just have to search for things, links dont work
[03:43] <Madpilot> psusi: halogen?
[03:43] <psusi> nope...
[03:43] <ghostdog> locomorto : yeah using bash
[03:43] <cyphase> how easy is it to turn a computer with a Wi-Fi NIC into an access point?
[03:43] <cyphase> using ubuntu
[03:43] <psusi> you can't
[03:43] <jjazz_> psusi, why not?
[03:43] <psusi> weather it is an AP or not is a function of the hardware I believe
[03:44] <jjazz_> interesting
[03:44] <cyphase> psusi, i've seen a laptop be an access point
[03:44] <cyphase> i'm sure it's possible
[03:44] <psusi> you sure it wasn't just running in ad-hoc mode?
[03:44] <misfit_toy> anybody have thunderbird running in breezy? I get a shared library error, missing libXp.so.6
[03:44] <michi> some one using ION?
[03:44] <ghostdog> locomorto : yeah using bash i cant run it
[03:45] <foampeace> anyone used wvdial for dialup?
[03:45] <michi> i would love to switch to a smaler wm
[03:45] <locomorto> ghostdog: whats the error?
[03:45] <cyphase> psusi, the laptop was..
[03:45] <michi> gnome is too fat
[03:45] <cyphase> but not the other few desktops i've seen
[03:45] <psusi> cyphase: ad hoc != AP
[03:45] <cyphase> they were full fledged access point
[03:45] <cyphase> points*
[03:45] <cyphase> i know
[03:45] <psusi> odd... I find that hard to believe...
[03:45] <foampeace> michi: ya i hear ya. i guess you could remove some components no?
[03:46] <ghostdog> locomorto :it gave me this error /usr/bin/k3b: /usr/bin/k3b: cannot execute binary file
[03:46] <psusi> it's like a lot of USB controler chips out there... most can't be either master or slave, because they are entirely different... most are slave only
[03:46] <michi> foampeace,  iam using fb on my other laptop, but would like to test something new
[03:47] <locomorto> ghostdog: try reinstalling k3b (unistall then install agian)
[03:48] <nalioth> ghostdog: how did you install k3b?
[03:48] <Shake> Here's my problem...  I'm trying to get firestarter to run, but it keeps telling me that I need root privleges.  I gave my account root privleges.  Its still telling me I need root privleges... What am I doing wrong?
[03:48] <nalioth> !tell Shake about root
[03:48] <aline> try to start it from a root shell
[03:49] <zxsykco> sudo "x"
[03:49] <rcbarnes> So i'm having issues with my udev switch. I got eveything working, except my software RAID5.  When I start, I get a bad/missing superblock (on md1, my raid device) error.  All the devices are there, under the same names as devFS, and it still works under *shudder* devFS, but not under udev.  I've tried raidstart, but I just get the same error.  Anyone have any ideas?
[03:49] <michi> ubuntu disables the root account or so?
[03:49] <Madpilot> Shake: "sudo firestarter"
[03:49] <Madpilot> michi: yes
[03:49] <ghostdog> nalioth :i used the synaptic package manager  to get the package
[03:49] <dooglus> michi, yes, the root account is locked
[03:49] <Madpilot> !tell michi about root
[03:49] <michi> Madpilot,  why?
[03:49] <zxsykco> Base install for ubuntu does not set root passwd.
[03:49] <nalioth> michi: for safety reasons
[03:49] <Madpilot> michi: see the URL ubotu just sent you
[03:49] <zxsykco> expert install askes for one.
[03:49] <zxsykco> If you sudo passwd you can set a passwd for root.
[03:50] <michi> ok
[03:50] <michi> so root just has no password set?
[03:50] <michi> so no one can login as root
[03:50] <zxsykco> I think so.
[03:50] <dooglus> michi: root has the password locked (as in 'passwd -l')
[03:50] <michi> ah ok
[03:50] <Madpilot> michi: something like that. "sudo <foot>" seems to work just as well
[03:50] <michi> never seen that before
[03:50] <dooglus> The
[03:50] <dooglus>        -l option disables an account by changing the password to a value which
[03:50] <dooglus>        matches  no  possible  encrypted  value.
[03:51] <michi> ah ok
[03:51] <nalioth> michi: keeps new to *nix users from inadvertently having a root terminal open and wiping their system in one easy keystroke
[03:51] <Shake> How can I make it so that every time I reboot Ubuntu, that Firestarter will run under sudo?
[03:51] <michi> nalioth,  yeah rm -rf / rules
[03:52] <michi>  :O
[03:52] <ghostdog> nalitoh : i dont know where i got it wrong
[03:52] <zxsykco> dd if=/dev/null or /dev/random of=/dev/hda
[03:52] <nalioth> Shake: why do you need firestarter to run each time? you make the rules once and forget it
[03:52] <foampeace> anyone remeber the dial prefix for a US robotics 56k sportster external voicemodem
[03:52] <zxsykco> Heh.
[03:52] <psusi>  ATDT
[03:52] <Shake> So it will come up automatically ater a reboot?
[03:52] <nalioth> ghostdog: "sudo apt-get remove --purge k3b" and start over
[03:53] <nalioth> Shake: you only need to set the rules for iptables once.
[03:53] <psusi> foampeace: ATDT... also the USR modems were VERY good with interactive help
[03:53] <shey_16> hi
[03:53] <psusi> iirc
[03:53] <shey_16> hello
[03:53] <jorgp2> is there something wrong with ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net?
[03:54] <cyphase> are there any plans for openMosix to be included in ubuntu (not neccesarily soon)?
[03:54] <zxsykco> Gentoo has a nice openmosix kernel...
[03:55] <Shake> Hmmm.  I guess I'm not following then.  So Firestarter doesn't need to run all the time then?
[03:55] <foampeace> psusi: thanks...how do you mean interactive help?
[03:55] <nalioth> foampeace: where it asks you questions, and waits on your response
[03:55] <psusi> there was a command you could give it to get help on what commands were availible and how to use them... ummm... let me see...
[03:55] <shey_16> hi
[03:56] <psusi> I forget what it was though ;)
[03:56] <foampeace> thanks
[03:56] <psusi> try AT?
[03:56] <Madpilot> Shake: not really, it's just a front-end for iptables, is what I understand
[03:56] <michi> yeah
[03:56] <Shake> Hmmm
[03:56] <michi> it creates an iptable script
[03:56] <psusi> I loved USR modems back in the day... before 3COM bought them out
[03:57] <Shake> I guess I'm used to ZoneAlarm running all the time when I connect via M$
[03:57] <psusi> hey shake... what did you do with meatwad?
[03:58] <Shake> @psusi -- I work tech support for a company that produces win faxing software, and I concurr about USR modems.
[03:58] <psusi> heh
[03:58] <TokenBad> anyone know if electricsheep 2.6 is on the repositories?
[03:58] <Shake> Ask Ignignokt.
[03:58] <Shake> :)
[03:58] <Madpilot> TokenBad: you can check packages.ubuntu.com for it
[03:58] <psusi> that was a long time ago though... how long has it been since I used a modem?  hrm... it's 2005.... probably last time I used one was... maybe in 2000
[03:59] <TokenBad> Madpilot, its normally just electricsheep
[03:59] <TokenBad> it don't say version
[03:59] <Madpilot> TokenBad: the version info will be somewhere, though
[03:59] <ghostdog> nalioth i just removed it
[04:00] <Madpilot> TokenBad: http://packages.ubuntu.com/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=electricsheep&searchon=names&subword=1&version=all&release=all
[04:00] <nalioth> ghostdog: now "sudo apt-get install k3b"
[04:01] <apokryphos> TokenBad: you can always use packages.ubuntu.com, or (in here), /msg ubotu info <package>   ...for all package info. =)
[04:01] <surfdue> hey
[04:01] <opaw> hi!!!
[04:01] <Deekin> Evening all
[04:01] <Deekin> \
[04:01] <surfdue> this guy mailto:n=pw@pool-71-100-133-107.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net  got banned
[04:01] <shey_16> hi
[04:01] <surfdue> another person on his line
[04:01] <shey_16> helo
[04:01] <surfdue> cna it get unbanned cause all of them are now
[04:02] <shey_16> can i join u
[04:02] <ShowerJAde> hi shey
[04:02] <michi> wow ubuntu uses dbus and hal for mounting cdrom and usb hdds automaticaly thats great
[04:02] <hill> hi
[04:02] <ShowerJAde> wakokok
[04:03] <ShowerJAde> this Ubuntu sucks
[04:03] <locomorto> michi: not dbus, udev
[04:03] <shey_16> helo
[04:03] <locomorto> ShowerJAde: in what way?
[04:03] <misfit_toy> man I loved hoary but I just can't get nvidia drivers to load with breezy...darnit
[04:03] <zxsykco> Ahoy.
[04:03] <locomorto> misfit_toy: did you install the repo versions?
[04:04] <Deekin> how are the drivers that do work, misfit?
[04:04] <shey_16> can we b friends
[04:04] <Deekin> or you cant get anything at all?
[04:04] <misfit_toy> locomorto, repo versions of what?
[04:04] <michi> it must be using dbus, how should it notice me pressing the eject button my cdrom drive
[04:04] <zxsykco> Yes, for a dollar shey_16 and I'll be anyones friend!
[04:04] <misfit_toy> locomorto, I installed a fresh breezy preview and download the nvidia drivers, neither 7676 or 7174 work
[04:04] <Deekin> hmmm
[04:04] <misfit_toy> locomorto, they both complain that 7676 is already installed? weird
[04:05] <zxsykco> Or fifty cents if your on a tight budget..
[04:05] <zxsykco> No refunds.
[04:05] <shey_16> njjjjjjkbgft
[04:05] <Deekin> i was about to dl ubuntu meself, but meebe ill look a bit...
[04:05] <shey_16> ghkuhhh
[04:05] <shey_16> nnnk
[04:05] <shey_16> rttuo
[04:05] <shey_16> y78y9
[04:05] <shey_16> yu6ortoey
[04:05] <hill> sdsdsdfsfdg
[04:05] <shey_16> ytoioiwemf'al
[04:05] <hill> dsfg
[04:05] <hill> sdfg
[04:05] <hill> sdfg
[04:05] <hill> sdfg
[04:05] <hill> sdfg
[04:05] <hill> dfg
[04:05] <hill> dsfg
[04:05] <hill> dfg
[04:05] <hill> dsfg
[04:05] <hill> dsfg
[04:05] <locomorto> eh
[04:05] <zxsykco> qwerty?
[04:05] <hill> sdfg
[04:05] <hill> dfsg
[04:05] <Madpilot> !ops
[04:05] <ubotu> [ops]  Help! seb128, bob2, fabbione, lamont, thom, Keybuk, fooishbar, jdub, mdz, Amaranth, tritium, ajmich, crimsun, ogra, CarlK, Seveas, Burgundavia, apokryphos, thoreauputic, and Nalioth
[04:05] <Greg> hello
[04:05] <hill> dsfg
[04:05] <hill> dsfg
[04:06] <psusi> knock it off you stupid son of a bitch
[04:06] <hill> dsfg
[04:06] <shey_16> dfjdg
[04:06] <Greg> anyone knoe of a good temperature monitor for linux?
[04:06] <locomorto> thanks
[04:06] <shey_16> hi
[04:06] <Deekin> woot
[04:06] <locomorto> Greg: gdesklets-data
[04:06] <Madpilot> Greg: lm-sensors works - there's a tutorial on the Ubuntu forum for it
[04:06] <locomorto> Greg: theres heaps in there
[04:06] <Greg> okay, thank you
[04:06] <shey_16> can i join ur conversation
[04:06] <Deekin> anyone play nwn under ubuntu?
[04:06] <locomorto> Deekin: I did
[04:07] <Deekin> what did you think?
[04:07] <zxsykco> Talk away!
[04:07] <shey_16> tuytiu
[04:07] <locomorto> Worked great
[04:07] <psusi> more important question... anyone play WoW under ubunto? ;)
[04:07] <shey_16> jhoul
[04:07] <Deekin> its my first order of business hehe
[04:07] <Deekin> awesome thanks
[04:07] <locomorto> Try the loki installer
[04:07] <shey_16> koiuplo
[04:07] <Deekin> loki? ok
[04:07] <locomorto> google that
[04:07] <shey_16> nhkkfssyl;
[04:07] <shey_16> khd
[04:07] <psusi> Loki?  Norse God of mischief?
[04:08] <tylo> Hello. I've installed my ATI drivers, and I cannot get my desktop resolution above 1280x1024. Might anyone no why?
[04:08] <jjazz_> How can I add a root user and password?  I just need it for a minute to run some samba/cups stuff that doesn't seem to know about sudo.
[04:08] <slicslak> the default torrent downloader.  what port does it listen on?
[04:08] <Deekin> heh just did thanks again
[04:08] <locomorto> tylo: you have to change the vaules in xorg.conf
[04:08] <nalioth> slicslak: 6881
[04:08] <Deekin> ill worry about WoW after hehe
[04:09] <jjazz_> slicslak, 6881-6889
[04:09] <slicslak> cool, thx
[04:09] <La_PaRCa> heeey... anyone know where I can go for some help with pydev?
[04:09] <locomorto> Deekin: WoW == pain
[04:09] <tylo> locomorto: Thing is, when I generated the xorg.conf from the website, I set it to be a higher resolution. What happens is that my Welcome Screen is of that higher resolution (I think), but when I get to my Desktop, I can see my monitor blacking out (as if it were making a resolution adjustment).
[04:10] <Deekin> So I hear loco - I hear Cedega mentioned a lot...
[04:10] <Deekin> My XP box died today and I am not resurrecting it
[04:10] <psusi> Blizzard sure does know how to ink every last ounce of performance out of a machine
[04:10] <locomorto> Deekin: it still is pain even with cedega
[04:10] <Deekin> running now on a nix cd heh
[04:10] <Deekin> really?
[04:10] <jtan325> La_PaRCa, what do you need help with?
[04:10] <Deekin> bleh
[04:10] <locomorto> tylo: Check your xorg.conf
[04:10] <Deekin> slow?
[04:10] <locomorto> tylo: Only have the resolution you want in there
[04:10] <locomorto> Deekin: not really
[04:11] <tylo> locomorto: Alright, I'll see what happens.
[04:11] <locomorto> Deekin: just annoying to instal
[04:11] <benplaut> no more uber-ugly WINE'd apps!
[04:11] <ghostdog> nalioth: i just removed it and installed it but i dont see the k3b
[04:11] <Deekin> Hmm - is the config a pain Loco?
[04:11] <benplaut> yipee!!!
[04:11] <Deekin> Ah
[04:11] <ghostdog> sudo k3b
[04:11] <locomorto> Deekin: If you use point2play it supposed to be much easier
[04:12] <nalioth> ghostdog: open a terminal, and type "which k3b"
[04:12] <durt> benplaut: what happened?
[04:12] <benplaut> editing of the fake registry files
[04:12] <La_PaRCa> jtan325, I cant get code autocompletion to work
[04:12] <benplaut> everything was a dull, uber-ugly gray
[04:13] <benplaut> now, it's nice and almost native looking :)
[04:13] <jtan325> La_PaRCa, do you mean when you type a "."
[04:13] <La_PaRCa> jtan325, yeah
[04:13] <jtan325> hrmmm
[04:13] <jtan325> are your import paths correct?
[04:13] <nalioth> ghostdog: also, you should never run gui apps as root (some exceptions, of course)
[04:13] <tylo> locomorto: Is this the section I want to change? "Modes "1280x1024" "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480""
[04:13] <jtan325> and are you working across several "projects"
[04:13] <Madpilot> Cool, k3b *finally* copied my audio CD... wth was wrong with gnomebaker?
[04:13] <La_PaRCa> jtan325, a self. and the ctrl+space does nothing for some reason
[04:13] <locomorto> tylo: yes
[04:14] <jtan325> hrmmmm
[04:14] <ghostdog> nalioth it gave /usr/bin/k3b
[04:14] <tylo> Can anyone name some of the higher resolutions off by heart? :-P
[04:14] <jtan325> and there's an __init__.py in the project folder?
[04:14] <psusi> 1600 x 1200
[04:14] <durt> 1400 x 1050
[04:14] <psusi> but I don't recomend it unless you have a big ass 21 inch crt
[04:14] <La_PaRCa> jtan325, yeah
[04:14] <jtan325> and if you're working across multiple "projects"
[04:15] <nalioth> ghostdog: try typing "/usr/bin/k3b" in the terminal
[04:15] <jtan325> then you might have to cross-reference by setitng the "external source folder" for each project
[04:15] <jtan325> what version of eclipse?
[04:15] <lancellor> if i buy a extrnal hard drive it will be plug and play with ubuntu// LIKE A USB Thumb drive
[04:15] <La_PaRCa> jtan325, 3.1 let me try that
[04:15] <kevin007> I wish I could get 1400x1050 working on my D600
[04:16] <locomorto> kevin007: you can
[04:16] <jtan325> La_PaRCa, there is something better than autocomplete then
[04:16] <jtan325> it's called hippie complete
[04:16] <Madpilot> lancellor: it should be...
[04:16] <locomorto> kevin007: Edit your xorg.conf
[04:16] <jtan325> type the first two or three letters of some name
[04:16] <lancellor> ok
[04:16] <jtan325> and then do alt + /
[04:16] <kevin007> Tried that, but still didn't have the option in gnom e
[04:16] <jtan325> and it finishes the name
[04:16] <locomorto> kevin007: So that it has that in there, you'll see the correct format once you go in
[04:16] <jtan325> it's like autocomplete except better
[04:16] <La_PaRCa> jtan325, wait... umm.. what was that you said about __init__.py?
[04:17] <kevin007> Have you gotten it working?
[04:17] <ghostdog> nalioth it work but theres a problem install CDrDAO
[04:17] <lancellor> i habe been tryng to install a second hard drive for storage but did not worked so i think i'm going to buy a usb 2.0 hard drive enclosure
[04:17] <ghostdog> nalioth it work but theres a problem install CDrDAO package
[04:17] <ngmlinux_> anybody know why i might get a !MESSAGE /usr/local/lib/eclipse/plugins is not a valid plugins directory.
[04:17] <ngmlinux_> error when booting eclipse?
[04:18] <jtan325> La_PaRCa, you should have an __init__.py in your project folders
[04:18] <adjacent> hmm. what happened to the ubuntuguide.org DNS servers? or is it godaddy?
[04:18] <nalioth> ghostdog: so "sudo apt-get install cdrdao"
[04:18] <jtan325> it's just an empty file
[04:18] <jtan325> but yea
[04:18] <jtan325> or at least that's how it goes at work...
[04:18] <nalioth> ghostdog: and dont use sudo on gui apps
[04:18] <La_PaRCa> jtan325, um... I dont have that... what should go in that file?
[04:19] <ghostdog> sudo apt-get install cdrdao
[04:19] <jtan325> nothing
[04:19] <jtan325> it's empty
[04:19] <ngmlinux_> anybody know why i might get a !MESSAGE /usr/local/lib/eclipse/plugins is not a valid plugins directory.
[04:19] <ghostdog> nalioth , tnx man
[04:19] <jtan325> actually
[04:19] <jtan325> La_PaRCa, does your program run?
[04:19] <jtan325> if it doesn, then you probably don't need __init__.py
[04:19] <adjacent> will someone tell me the ubuntuguide.org ip?
[04:19] <La_PaRCa> jtan325, yes, it does
[04:20] <jtan325> hmmmm
[04:20] <jtan325> well i have no more ideas
[04:20] <jtan325> like i said
[04:20] <La_PaRCa> jtan325, wait... it runs independent, but I havent got it running from eclipse
[04:20] <jtan325> hippie complete
[04:20] <jtan325> ah
[04:20] <La_PaRCa> jtan325, hippie complete wont work either
[04:20] <jtan325> ...
[04:20] <Madpilot> adjacent: use wiki.ubuntu.com instead...
[04:20] <ngmlinux_> sorry wrong room
[04:20] <ngmlinux_> exit
[04:20] <nalioth> adjacent: ubuntuguide is down, use wiki.ubuntu.com/UserDocumentation
[04:21] <lancellor> how do i install a second hard drive for storage???
[04:21] <locomorto> adjacent: you can also use the google cache of it
[04:21] <jtan325> anyway, try the __init__.py and then right click on each project and set the external source folder in "properties" to point to the other folders
[04:21] <apokryphos> lancellor: plug it in then mount =)
[04:21] <jtan325> i gotta go, but hope it works
[04:21] <tylo> Thanks for helping me with my resolution everyone.
[04:21] <tylo> My optomitrist's pocket book will be very happy.
[04:21] <La_PaRCa> jtan325, ok, thanks
[04:22] <adjacent> locomorto: nalioth: Madpilot: thanks.
[04:22] <lancellor> ok but how i forgot to tell you i'm a newbie
[04:22] <jessid> some of you know what is this?: Xlib: extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0"
[04:22] <jessid> and how can I fix it?
[04:23] <kevin007> when do you get that message?
[04:23] <jessid> when the screen saver starts
[04:23] <apokryphos> !tell lancellor about windowsdrives
[04:23] <locomorto> jessid: the drivers didn't load the 3d part properly
[04:23] <lancellor> can i mount it even if is formated in fat 32??
[04:23] <apokryphos> lancellor: use that script that ubotu just linked to; it'll do it all for you. =)
[04:23] <kevin007> yeah I would say it's a 3d issue
[04:23] <locomorto> !tell me
[04:23] <apokryphos> lancellor: of course, yes.
[04:23] <jessid> locomorto don you know what can I do to fis it?
[04:24] <kevin007> what video card are you using?
[04:24] <jessid> Nvidia
[04:24] <fossa> hi
[04:24] <locomorto> jessid: where did you get the drivers from?
[04:24] <fossa> how do i upgrade hoary to breezy?
[04:24] <usr13> anyone have any luck with xine?
[04:24] <nalioth> !tell fossa about upgrade2breezy
[04:24] <apokryphos> !upgrade2breezy
[04:24] <ubotu> The guide to upgrading to breezy (5.10) is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyUpgrade
[04:24] <jessid> using synaptic
[04:24] <locomorto> usr13: yes
[04:24] <locomorto> usr13: i use totem-xine though
[04:25] <jessid> locomorto using synaptic
[04:25] <kevin007> is dri on?
[04:25] <kevin007> should say in glxinfo
[04:25] <usr13> totem-xine ?
[04:25] <jessid> it was working ok, but I don't know if it is because of an upgrade
[04:25] <usr13> I tried xine and  gxine and no luck.
[04:25] <locomorto> usr13: It uses the xine backend, in totem
[04:25] <fossa> is it still a risk that my system might become unusable?
[04:25] <usr13> what is totem-xine
[04:25] <locomorto> usr13: sudo apt-get install totem-xine
[04:26] <jessid> kevin007 are you talking to me? do I have to do something with glxinfo? if so, what is that?
[04:26] <nalioth> fossa: not as much of one, you should be ok
[04:26] <fossa> ok thanks
[04:26] <kevin007> jessid: does glxinfo report that direct rendering is on?
[04:27] <kevin007> "glxinfo | more" it should be towards the top
[04:27] <usr13> do I need to uninstall xine or gxine first?
[04:27] <locomorto> usr13: no
[04:27] <jessid> kevin007 give me a second I check
[04:28] <lancellor> i saved the file do i hve to rename it to winmac_fstab
[04:28] <jessid> kevin007: Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0"
[04:28] <jessid> Error: couldn't find RGB GLX visual
[04:28] <jessid> it was working ok, but from one momento to other, it ws dead...
[04:28] <jessid> :-(
[04:28] <ugo> hey what's the package name for the x-free devel libraries?
[04:28] <usr13> "totem-xine is already the newest version."
[04:29] <usr13> How does one run totem-xine?
[04:30] <DjKritical> jessid:... you're going in the wrong direction
[04:30] <lancellor> or how do i rename it
[04:30] <DjKritical> jessid: I had heaps of problems with my nvidia card aswell.. same as you're decribing
[04:30] <DjKritical> jessid: first of all don't use the apt-get/synaptic packages for the nvidia drivers
[04:30] <ugo> found it
[04:30] <ugo> thanks
[04:31] <lancellor> http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/files/winmac_fstab i just download this file how do i save with name
[04:31] <jessid> DjKritical what do I have to do? It was working ok, but no any more
[04:31] <DjKritical> jessid: go download the newest nvidia drivers from the nvidia website.. they're incredibly easy to download... just type... sudo ./NIVIDIA...blahblahblah
[04:31] <kevin007> jessid: I would reinstall the nvidia driver
[04:31] <DjKritical> DjKritical, my drivers drop working ALL THE TIME
[04:31] <DjKritical> err
[04:31] <nalioth> lancellor: read the winmac_fstab in a text editor
[04:31] <jessid> kevin007 ok ok
[04:31] <Deekin> thanks for the nvidia info - thats helpful stuff
[04:31] <DjKritical> jessid: whenever they do I just go into the vc and reinstall them... takes like 1 minute
[04:32] <jessid> I'll do it right now...thanks
[04:32] <kevin007> NP
[04:32] <cafuego_> DjKritical: Odd, those drivers have been working fine since the first day I installed them.
[04:32] <lancellor> Open a terminal and type sudo bash winmac_fstab so i just type this??
[04:32] <kevin007> speaking of video though... anyone have any luck running 1400x1050 on Dell laptops?
[04:32] <nalioth> lancellor: yes, that would do it
[04:32] <jessid> DjKritical what is vc? virtual console?
[04:32] <DjKritical> cafuego, They work fine for me.. but every couple of reboots they hang on the glx module
[04:32] <kevin007> It's more than configuring xorg.conf
[04:32] <cafuego_> jessid: DjKritical is on crack, the prepackaged drivers are fine.
[04:33] <DjKritical> jessid: yeah virtual console.. if x fails to start up just go into ctrl+alt+1 and reinstall the drivers
[04:33] <cafuego_> kevin007: You need a modeline for Xorg, use google to find it.
[04:33] <DjKritical> cafuego, oh really? then why isn't jessids computer working?
[04:33] <cafuego_> DjKritical: karma?
[04:33] <jessid> DjKritical very good...i'll do it rignt now. Thanks
[04:33] <kevin007> okay, will look for the modeline
[04:33] <DjKritical> cafuego, have you experienced the same problem as him? no? then stfu
[04:33] <cafuego_> Installing non-packaged software isn't a great idea.
[04:34] <DjKritical> cafuego, the packaged nvidia drivers ARE OLD
[04:34] <bob2> DjKritical: you're experiencing problems with ubuntu's pre-packaged nvidia drivers today?
[04:34] <DjKritical> bob2: no like 2 weeks ago
[04:34] <cafuego_> DjKritical: Maybe a better suggestion then would be to use backported Breezy ones?
[04:34] <foampeace> stfu?
[04:34] <capiCrimm> When installing programs it says I should never run as root. What type of user should I run it under?
[04:35] <foampeace> who is saint fu?
[04:35] <DjKritical> lol
[04:35] <bob2> DjKritical: so, that seems entirely unrelated to any issues kevin007 might be having
[04:35] <bob2> capiCrimm: your regular one...
[04:35] <usr13> anyone have any luck getting totem to play dvds?
[04:35] <DjKritical> bob2: that was regarding jassids issuesm not kevin007
[04:35] <usr13> "libdvdread: Encrypted DVD support unavailab"
[04:35] <usr13> "libdvdread: Encrypted DVD support unavailable"
[04:35] <Madpilot> !tell capiCrimm about root
[04:35] <bob2> usr13: /msg ubotu restricted
[04:35] <cafuego_> usr13: ls /usr/share/doc/libdvdread3/examples
[04:36] <dabaR> DjKritical: please follow the behavior guidelines for the Ubuntu community. http://www.ubuntu.com/community/conduct
[04:36] <nalioth> !tell usr13 about restricted
[04:36] <dabaR> heh, but serious. You can just say something else than stfu
[04:36] <lodis4> What settings in fstab will allow Ubuntu to recognize a reiserfs partition?
[04:36] <usr13> install-css.sh
[04:36] <usr13> ?
[04:36] <bz0b> i think i messed up my /etc/sudoers file, how do I fix it
[04:36] <cafuego_> Yes, giving good advice for example.
[04:36] <DjKritical> hah yeah I know you're most likely right :P
[04:36] <bob2> lodis4: ubuntu will never magically mount things like that; just add the right line to /etc/fstab
[04:36] <cafuego_> usr13: Yep, run that via sudo.
[04:36] <DjKritical> it was good advice cafuego
[04:36] <bob2> lodis4: copy the one for your root partition and modify it to suit
[04:37] <lodis4> I have added the correct information in fstab
[04:37] <cafuego_> DjKritical: "Downlaod this thing, then run it without knowing what it does and where it puts files" is not good advice.
[04:37] <capiCrimm> Madpilot, I'm actually running debian in this case... I just like the Ubuntu community.
[04:37] <bob2> lodis4: and it doesn't work?
[04:37] <DjKritical> cafuego, I can almost garuntee it will fix his problem, because I had the exact same problem.. and it took me like a week with the help of people in this channel to figure it out
[04:37] <lodis4> but I get errrors regarding the file system type
[04:37] <lodis4> I put in reiserfs as the type
[04:37] <Madpilot> capiCrimm: I've never visited it, but I've heard... stories... about the debian IRC channel... ;)
[04:37] <cafuego_> DjKritical: I think still backporting the breezy driver would be a much better idea.
[04:38] <cafuego_> lodis4: why?
[04:38] <DjKritical> cafuego, backporting a driver?... "waves his hand over his head"
[04:38] <bob2> lodis4: then show us your /etc/fstab in #flood
[04:38] <lodis4> cafuego_:why what?
[04:38] <usr13> ?There is no plugin to handle this movie.?
[04:38] <cafuego_> DjKritical: The right way to do what you're proposing.
[04:38] <cafuego_> lodis4: Why reiser?
[04:38] <bz0b> bob2: if i messd up my sudoers file to were i cant even use the command sudo, what do I do? failsafe?
[04:38] <bob2> bz0b: yes
[04:39] <bz0b> alright
[04:39] <lodis4> it was an experiment w/dual booting Ubuntu and SuSE
[04:39] <DjKritical> cafuego, like you said before... whats the point in getting someone to do something complicated like that when nvidias website has simple instructions on how to install the newest drivers with one command that will fix the problem?...
[04:39] <foampeace> will we have to live in tunnels underground after saint fu? its the curse of saint fu the man achooo! bless me
[04:39] <cafuego_> lodis4: Is it reiser3 or reiser4?
[04:39] <DjKritical> cafuego, simple solution for a simple problem...
[04:39] <p00f> D.A.M. ...... Mothers Against Dyslexia.
[04:40] <lodis4> I dunno, the suse install just said reiserfs.........I didnt install the machine
[04:40] <cafuego_> DjKritical; because they'll end up with unpackages software on their system, in critical locations. That *can* fuck up future upgrades. They will then come here and complain... will YOU be here then to tell them they broke the apckage system?
[04:40] <lancellor> lancellor@ubuntu:~/Documents$ sudo bash winmac_fstab
[04:40] <lancellor> By default the disks will be writable only by root and
[04:40] <lancellor> Lancellor (lancellor)
[04:40] <lancellor> Do you want to make the disk writable by all users instead? (y/n)
[04:40] <lancellor> y
[04:40] <lancellor> No usable windows/mac partitions found
[04:40] <DjKritical> and dabaR can you direct one of those ubuntu policy things at cafuego for claiming I was on crack? thats where the s*** came from :P
[04:40] <nalioth> lancellor: please dont paste in here
[04:40] <lancellor> sorry
[04:40] <bob2> lancellor: plese don't paste in here
[04:40] <nalioth> lancellor: read the /topic or use #flood
[04:41] <lancellor> that is what i got from the script
[04:41] <bob2> lodis4: just paste your /etc/fstab to #flood
[04:41] <cafuego_> DjKritical: I know the policy, that's why I said you were on crack, as opposed to saying stfu.
[04:41] <nalioth> lancellor: you can paste anything you want in a pastebin
[04:41] <michi> lancellor,  do you have windows or mac partitions?
[04:41] <lancellor> sorry about the pasting..
[04:41] <lodis4> I dont have access to it right now, I typed out the line I added to fstab in there though
[04:41] <DjKritical> cafuego, are you trying to say that the newest nvidia drivers are going to scerw his system... both you and I know that's a fallacy
[04:41] <lancellor> is a fat 32 partition i formated the hard drive with gparted
[04:42] <p00f> qtparted?
[04:42] <foampeace> windows came i was looking outside them. I stole those windows. Now im outside in the open and free
[04:42] <gn0me> I can't see my FPS in glxgears anymore. :(
[04:42] <lancellor> gparted
[04:42] <cafuego_> DjKritical: They *may* screw his system up when an update wants to install  a new nvidia-glx and fails. Then it'll be up to US to fix the mess YOu made him create.
[04:42] <cafuego_> DjKritical: See my point?
[04:42] <Madpilot> gn0me: start it via the command line?
[04:42] <gn0me> Did that
[04:42] <cafuego_> DjKritical: If he fixes the problem properly to begin with, that won't happen.
[04:42] <robotgeek> gn0me: you have to launch it with glxgears --iagreethisisnotabenchmark
[04:42] <gn0me> ahaha
[04:42] <nalioth> p00f: there are g- and qt- parted
[04:42] <Madpilot> robotgeek: ha!
[04:43] <ColonelKernel> anyone ever seen one of these? http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=1530726
[04:43] <michi> lancellor,  so you have created a fat32 partition?
[04:43] <robotgeek> Madpilot: i remember that one!
[04:43] <p00f> oh, neat... the G one for Gnome?
[04:43] <ColonelKernel> ive never heard of a sempron64
[04:43] <hyphenated> I hope this hasn't been asked a hundred times... can other people resolve ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net ?
[04:43] <ColonelKernel> I thought semprons were 32 bit
[04:43] <lancellor> yes
[04:43] <regeya> doubtful.
[04:43] <bob2> lodis4: why do you have "automount" in the options field?
[04:43] <nalioth> ColonelKernel: amds new low end 64bit proc
[04:43] <bob2> lodis4: replace it with default,auto
[04:43] <gn0me> hyphenated: deb http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net/ hoary-backports main universe multiverse restricted
[04:43] <michi> lancellor,  how did you create the partition? which fdisk?
[04:43] <bob2> michi: please don't run that in here
[04:43] <nalioth> p00f: the "g" for gtk
[04:43] <michi> bob2,  ok
[04:43] <gn0me> hyphenated: Works fine for me
[04:44] <DjKritical> cafuego, I see your point yes, but however your solution of installing backported drivers isn't even proven to work.  You're saying my solution is flawed, I'm challenging that your solution wouldn't even work.
[04:44] <ColonelKernel> nalioth, the drawback being the low cache?
[04:44] <lancellor> i nstalled the hard drive and i went to GParted and created the fat32 partition
[04:44] <lodis4> bob2: I copied another line in fstab and changed the info to suit my need for this one
[04:44] <nalioth_wrkn> bbl
[04:44] <p00f> Oh, the all mighty Gimp tool kit... wow, Wilbur partitions hardisks now :) neat. Thanks for th einfo :)
[04:44] <hyphenated> gn0me: 'host ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net' gives you an IP address? won't work for me here (indonesia) or my other shell (New zealand)
[04:44] <bob2> lodis4: that's wrong, anyway
[04:44] <ColonelKernel> my god, 62 bucks, thats cheap
[04:44] <gn0me> sec.
[04:44] <ColonelKernel> 63 I mean
[04:44] <lodis4> bob2: what is
[04:44] <bob2> lodis4: as above
[04:44] <DjKritical> cafuego, also if he were wanting to upgrade his drivers in the future the easiest option is to get them straight from nvidia instead of waiting weeks for the repositories to be updated
[04:44] <michi> lancellor,  if you do fdisk -l /dev/hdx    do you see the partition? replace x with the right disk
[04:45] <bob2> hyphenated: someone broke their dns
[04:45] <cafuego_> DjKritical: Yeah, it can't POSSIBLY work if it's a good idea.
[04:45] <gn0me> hyphenated: Must've been overnight then.
[04:45] <gn0me> Worked fine yesterday for me.
[04:45] <lancellor> let me check
[04:45] <hyphenated> nobody knows the IP address, by any chance? ;-)
[04:45] <lodis4> I think it will mount if I can figure out what to call the reiser fs
[04:46] <gn0me> lodis4: Bilbo
[04:46] <dabaR_> hyphenated: I think backports are at several servers, check out what ubotu sends you.
[04:46] <DjKritical> cafuego, how abot you go hold his hand through it and prove me wrong :P
[04:46] <freeman_08> hello people
[04:46] <gn0me> Hello Gordon Freeman! You're late!
[04:46] <lodis4> gn0me: bilbo?? uhhh joke?
[04:46] <lancellor> nope
[04:46] <freeman_08> hehehe
[04:46] <regeya> hyphenated, if you look at the ubuntu backports home, there are a few mirrors listed
[04:46] <freeman_08> im a newbie using linux
[04:47] <usr13> totem complains "There is no plugin to handle this movie"
[04:47] <Mostro> Hello all..... Is there a way to force a cron job to run
[04:47] <usr13> anyone know how to get totem to work?
[04:47] <lancellor> i did   fdisk -l /dev/hdb1
[04:47] <usr13> any totem experts?  :)
[04:47] <lancellor> Cannot open /dev/hdb1
[04:48] <usr13>  cafuego_, R U still here?
[04:48] <dabaR> usr13: what are you playing? dont ever ask a question like any $program experts.
[04:48] <dabaR> usr13: what type of file, that is.
[04:48] <lodis4> lencellor: try fdisk /dev/hdb
[04:48] <foampeace> usr13: whats wrong?
[04:48] <lancellor> ok
[04:48] <Mostro> What version are you running?
[04:48] <usr13> totem complains "There is no plugin to handle this movie"
[04:48] <Mostro> Do you have Gstreamer installed?
[04:49] <foampeace> usr13: follow the wiki instructions
[04:49] <michi> hm
[04:49] <michi> win32codecs installed?
[04:49] <foampeace> usr13: you need the w32codecs also which is in the restricted source i think
[04:49] <usr13> michi:was that for me?
[04:49] <dabaR> you guys should know about what type of file he is playing to know that.
[04:50] <hyphenated> thanks guys
[04:50] <dabaR> This way, you are just guessing. w32codecs play .wmv .wma files.
[04:50] <lancellor> i have to use sudo y tried with sudo and worked
[04:50] <jimurine> hey i'm having some trouble getting Grub to recognize my windows partition to boot WinME
[04:51] <usr13> palying [file type] : VIDEO_TS/VIDEO_TS.BUP
[04:51] <lancellor> this is what i type    "sudo fdisk fdisk -l /dev/hdb1"
[04:51] <dabaR> is it a dvd, usr13?
[04:51] <michi> usr13,  yeah you need w32codecs, cause there is no native librarys for the most codecs
[04:51] <dabaR> michi: ...that is so incorrect, afaik
[04:51] <lastnode> apt-get installer mplayer
[04:51] <lastnode> bah
[04:51] <ColonelKernel> evidently the sempron64 is an overclocking BEAST
[04:51] <lastnode> sorry
[04:51] <ColonelKernel> whe i have more dough im gonna do that
[04:52] <usr13>  michi; is w32codecs installable via apt-get?
[04:52] <michi> dabaR,  why do i need w32codec then?
[04:52] <foampeace> jimurine: windows must be stuck...try rolling it back and forth
[04:52] <dabaR> michi: ^ says.
[04:52] <jimurine> what do you mean by that foam?
[04:52] <Madpilot> lastnode: totem can play everything, with the right codecs...
[04:53] <lancellor> i see the hard drive but does not tell me the kind of partition
[04:53] <foampeace> jimurine: i dont know...its too complicated to explain
[04:53] <michi> dabaR,  what is with quicktime? are there native codecs availiable?
[04:54] <michi> i know that divx and xvid are supported nativ under linux
[04:54] <dabaR> michi: read the wiki
[04:54] <jdermer> i got an intel gma900 integrated video
[04:54] <jdermer> is there opengl for it ?
[04:55] <ojt> hi guys
[04:55] <foampeace> steal in windows? come outside and play
[04:55] <rigel> if you install an sata raid card, and the card's bios doesnt come up, how would i go about troubleshooting that?
[04:56] <rigel> or is it just not supported by this hw
[04:56] <rigel> i didnt see anything in the bios settings
[04:56] <rigel> ubu sees it at bootup
[04:56] <rigel> but im not sure how to go about changing the settings
[04:56] <kevin007> Still can't get 1400x1050 to work on my Dell D600
[04:57] <ghostdog> nalioth , where can i get a rar file extractor ?
[04:57] <dabaR> michi: what you are calling native you must mean there is open source codecs. There is no open source for .wmv files, and even the binary is illegal. w32 codecs can not be installed through any ubuntu repo atm, and the .deb can be gotten from a unofficial debian repository, and that is the only file that could be gotten from a debian repo. People like to recommend getting the w32codecs from mplayerhq.hu the downloads page.
[04:57] <ojt> does anybody here i can count for help?
[04:57] <dabaR> ghostdog: you can get it from synaptic. there is unrar-nonfree, and rar.
[04:57] <dabaR> ojt: no. you can ask a question, and if someone knows the answer, they will tell you.
[04:58] <michi> dabaR,  ok
[04:59] <ojt> okz
[04:59] <michi> iam just wondering why it is so diffucult, its the same on debian or suse
[04:59] <cafuego_> rigel: You shouldn't use the card's raid anyway. use the card like a normal sata controller and then use kernel software raid.
[04:59] <lancellor> any tutorial on the web about adding a second hard drive??
[05:00] <jessid> dabaR: where can i find some repositories for Ubunto
[05:00] <michi> in gentoo i type emerge w32codecs and it gets installed
[05:00] <esac> does anybody know what the shortcuts to switch between virtual desktops are in KDE ?
[05:00] <jsubl2> !sources
[05:00] <ubotu> I heard sources is at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto A list of official repositories can be found at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969 (Hoary) or http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2325 (Breezy)
[05:00] <michi> lancellor,  just create the partition and mkfs it then mount it
[05:00] <cafuego_> michi: because Ubuntu (and Debian) care that the w32codecs are not free software.
[05:00] <dabaR> michi: at the mplayer page, they are not a package, afaik, and need to be put in a folder like, /usr/codecs, but I do not know this, so dont take that as granted.
[05:00] <michi> nothing special about that
[05:00] <ojt_> guys why i can't open up my firefox web browser?
[05:00] <cafuego_> dabaR: No, there is a w32codecs package. In hoary-extras, afaik.
[05:01] <cafuego_> !w32codecs
[05:01] <ubotu> w32codecs is a set of codecs for popular audio/video formats (wmv etc). Install w32codecs from the hoary-extras repository. AMD64? See http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=54399 Legal issues: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[05:01] <pc2__> u nid 2 renstal dat ojt!
[05:01] <dabaR> yesterday there was not. cafuego.
[05:01] <kevin007> ojt: have you rebuilt your profile?
[05:01] <kevin007> I would try that first
[05:01] <kevin007> always
[05:01] <tga> lancellor, you can use cfdisk /dev/hdb to partition the drive (if the drive is hdb, primary slave)
[05:01] <michi> yeah cfdisk ist easy
[05:01] <ojt_> iim currently upgrading my ubuntu now
[05:01] <tga> lancellor, then you use mkfs to create a filesystem on, say, hdb1, hdb2, etc
[05:02] <tga> lancellor, then you add that partition to /etc/fstab to be mounted at startup
[05:02] <foampeace> how might updates be made available on a cd
[05:02] <dabaR> pc2__: why reinstall? and the person obviously cant even speak english great, and you speak l33t.
[05:02] <foampeace> or on a usb drive
[05:02] <ghostdog> dabaRi tried to open a rar file it gave an error could not open file
[05:03] <ghostdog> dabaR: tried to open a rar file it gave an error could not open file
[05:03] <user_> hi
[05:03] <freeman_08> just want to ask... how can i install an new program?
[05:03] <lancellor> apreciate it your help but if i knew how to do that i would not be here with all your respect
[05:03] <kevin007> kk
[05:03] <dabaR> ghostdog: I tried to open is concept, tell me what command exactl did you do?
[05:03] <user_> hi
[05:03] <ghostdog> dabaR: i just double clicked it
[05:04] <michi> ghostdog,  ok
[05:04] <michi> thats it
[05:04] <ghostdog> dabaR: i'm a mud in linux
[05:04] <freeman_08> k... tnx
[05:04] <michi> your desktop does not know how to open the rar file
[05:04] <ghostdog> dabaR: i'm a dum  in linux
[05:04] <tga> ghostdog, use rar -x archive.rar from the console
[05:04] <ogulcan> hi all i a newbie and i am using ubuntu
[05:04] <michi> ghostdog,  or install file-roller if you want a graphical tool
[05:04] <ogulcan> and how can i install kobete
[05:04] <tga> ghostdog, sudo apt-get install rar if you don't have it
[05:05] <tga> ogulcan, it's kopete and you'll need half of kde with it
[05:05] <mahangu> the letter e is being repeated in ever shell or program i open
[05:05] <cafuego_> freeman_08: System -> Administration -> Synaptic Package Manager (type YOUR password) -> Search and install.
[05:05] <tga> ogulcan, I suggest you use gaim
[05:05] <ogulcan> i downloaded KDE too
[05:05] <Madpilot> mahangu: got a stuck "e" key on your keyboard?
[05:05] <michi> ok
[05:05] <mahangu> eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
[05:05] <user_> 1234
[05:05] <tga> ogulcan, use synaptic then
[05:05] <ogulcan> and how can i install them
[05:05] <mahangu> Madpilot: the last time it was 3
[05:05] <mahangu> before i rebooted
[05:05] <cafuego_> ghostdog: You'll most likely need unrar-nonfree, which I think is in the 'universe' repository.
[05:06] <freeman_08> anyone here from the philippines?
[05:06] <Antioch> Anyone know how to get mp3/mpeg playback?
[05:06] <cafuego_> !restrictedFormats
[05:06] <tga> !restricted-formats
[05:06] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, restrictedformats is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats or 'codecs'
[05:06] <ubotu> tga: No idea
[05:06] <Madpilot> mahangu: sounds like a dying kb - my previous did something similar when I poured a mug of tea over it...
[05:06] <ghostdog> i download the file using synaptic
[05:06] <mahangu> Madpilot: im holdimg dowm backspace to type this
[05:06] <rigel> cafuego_ i dont want to use the raid anyhow, its just the cheapest ata133 controller i can find. i have a 200gb hd and am running into the 137gb limit
[05:06] <Antioch> Thanks
[05:06] <cafuego_> Antioch: Check that url.
[05:06] <mahangu> Madpilot: shite
[05:06] <ogulcan> any one can help me
[05:06] <ogulcan> any one can help me
[05:06] <blank> what's your poblem
[05:07] <tga> ogulcan, what is the problem?
[05:07] <cafuego_> rigel: *nod* Does it show up in 'lspci' ?
[05:07] <robotgeek> ogulcan: asking repeatedly will not help!
[05:07] <mahangu> ah
[05:07] <rigel> cafuego_ 0000:00:11.0 RAID bus controller: VIA Technologies, Inc.: Unknown device 3249 (rev 50)
[05:07] <ogulcan> tga : i downloaded KDE and kopete how can i install them
[05:07] <joyce> hi
[05:07] <mahangu> this sucks
[05:07] <Madpilot> does anyone know how I can find out where Enemy Territory hides it's .desktop file?
[05:07] <tga> ogulcan, how did you download kde?
[05:07] <cafuego_> ogulcan: 'sudo apt-get install kopete'. You should not have downloaded anything.
[05:08] <tga> ogulcan, and sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop for kde
[05:08] <Kalidarn> hmm ubuntuguide.org is down, anyone got a copy of the complete TGZ?
[05:08] <ogulcan> i downloaded kdenetwork-3.4.1
[05:08] <Kalidarn> (never grabbed it before it went down)
[05:08] <dabaR> for new people, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuHowCome may help.
[05:09] <cafuego_> ogulcan: You never bneed to downlaod anything. Use Synaptic, it's in your System menu.
[05:09] <Kalidarn> im talking about the popular unnoficial one, at www.ubuntuguide.org
[05:09] <tga> !tell Kalidarn about ubuntuguide
[05:09] <ogulcan> where
[05:09] <Madpilot> Kalidarn: wiki.ubuntu.com/UserDocumentation
[05:09] <robotgeek> tga: too fast for me!
[05:09] <jdermer> i got an intel gma900 integrated video
[05:09] <jdermer> is there opengl for it ?
[05:09] <Kalidarn> hmm okay then.
[05:10] <lancellor> sudo mkfs
[05:10] <Kalidarn> !faq
[05:10] <ubotu> I guess faq is The Ubuntu FAQ Guide: select System -> Help (in Breezy)
[05:11] <ogulcan> cafuego: what i must to start kopete
[05:11] <ogulcan> cafuego: what i must do to start kopete
[05:11] <Toma--> oh glorious ubotu, where can i find gxmame for ubuntu package?
[05:11] <ojt_> guys, why i cant open up my firefox web browser?
[05:11] <michi> jdermer,  look in the drivers readme
[05:11] <dabaR> ogulcan: is kde installed?
[05:11] <tga> ogulcan, get it from the Internet menu or from the console
[05:11] <Madpilot> !info gxmame
[05:12] <michi> jdermer,  but i think most xfree/xorg drivers do only support software rendering
[05:12] <Toma-> !info gxmame
[05:12] <ogulcan> i don't know how can i understand
[05:12] <Madpilot> Toma-: "no such package", sez ubotu...
[05:12] <Toma-> damn it.
[05:12] <ksmurf> hello all....... what happened to the backports?  there gone? (extras?)
[05:12] <dabaR> ogulcan: do you know how to install anything?
[05:12] <tritium> chill out, Toma-
[05:12] <Toma-> :P
[05:12] <tritium> :)
[05:12] <jabra> has anyone gotten mp4's to play nicely with xmms?
[05:13] <joebu23> quick question
[05:13] <jabra> ma4's?
[05:13] <dabaR> jabra: yes, have the xmms-mp4 package installed?
[05:13] <ksmurf> I keep losing my damn connection at this hotel......
[05:13] <jabra> where can I find it?
[05:13] <jabra> been looking
[05:13] <joebu23> why does my system sometimes lock when starting hotplug subsystem
[05:13] <dabaR> jabra did you search for xmms through the packaging system? what repos do you have enabled?
[05:14] <Sonny_Wertzik> does anyone here have dvdrip installed on hoary 64 bit?
[05:14] <ksmurf> good question joebu23.... when u figure it out let us know (just joking)
[05:14] <Toma-> joebu23: id say somethings wrong with hotplug. but thats just me.
[05:14] <kevin007> you mean m4as
[05:15] <joebu23> just wondering smurf, I'm still a linux newb
[05:15] <jabra> don't have the repo with xmms-mp4
[05:15] <Toma-> m4as are just fancy mp3s ight?
[05:15] <kevin007> I just use gnormalize to run a lame command to turn them to mp3s
[05:15] <tga> joebu23, sounds like trouble with the usb drivers, heh
[05:15] <jabra> was recently looking for source to build
[05:15] <ksmurf> so am I.  What distro are you using?
[05:15] <jabra> but I if you have the repo for mp4's that would be aweome
[05:15] <kevin007> the only way I get m4as is after I strip DRM from the iTMS songs I get
[05:15] <dabaR> jabra: enable everything, probably in multiverse is where xmms-mp4 would be.
[05:15] <kevin007> true
[05:16] <ksmurf> what version of ubuntu
[05:16] <joebu23> ubuntu 5.10
[05:16] <Madpilot> ogulcan: you should be able to start Firefox by using the Applications menu --> Internet --> Firefox Web Browser
[05:16] <kevin007> so what is the official date for Breezy again?  Oct. 1?
[05:16] <jabra> so something like deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ hoary multiverse
[05:16] <jabra> dabaR: your awesome
[05:16] <tritium> s/your/you're
[05:16] <tritium> ;)
[05:16] <jabra> I had that just had it set to warty not hoary
[05:16] <ghostdog> where can i get a gui on rar ?
[05:17] <dabaR> jabra: ya, I know...hah
[05:17] <Madpilot> back later, all
[05:17] <ksmurf> joebu23 waht platform... kernel ectra
[05:17] <Toma-> ghostdog: fileroller
[05:17] <jabra> dabaR++
[05:17] <carthik> Madpilot, i'll watch this place when you are away - have fun
[05:17] <dabaR> :)
[05:17] <jabra> # being awesome
[05:17] <Sonny_Wertzik> does anyone here have dvdrip installed on hoary 64 bit? anybody...please?
[05:17] <robotgeek> carthik: hi
[05:17] <digitalfox|sleep> how do I prevent services from starting?
[05:18] <kevin007> not me.  I've never used 64bit
[05:18] <Toma-> Sonny_Wertzik: i wish. i tried to get ranscode but it freakd out when trying to install :(
[05:18] <robotgeek> carthik: nice work with ubuntu wordpress
[05:18] <x_o1> Is it possible to give an X11 a "null" display?  I need to run an app and fool it into thinking it has an X11 context in which to run, but I don't want to X11 forward my SSH session.
[05:18] <dabaR> ok, I gotta do constructive stuff, though. Well, this is somewhat constructive, but I gotta do school related things.
[05:18] <digitalfox|sleep> I have apache installed, for instance, but I don't want it to start every time I boot up
[05:18] <kevin007> Wow there are a lot of questions in this channel compared to most
[05:18] <kevin007> LOL
[05:18] <Sonny_Wertzik> Toma-, heh souds familiar
[05:18] <tga> digitalfox|sleep, sudo update-rc.d -f apache remove for example
[05:18] <digitalfox|sleep> oh
[05:18] <digitalfox|sleep> awesome
[05:18] <joebu23> smurf, where do I find that info?
[05:18] <joebu23> sorry
[05:18] <digitalfox|sleep> thanks tga :)
[05:18] <digitalfox|sleep> looks a lot like Gentoo's rc-update
[05:18] <digitalfox|sleep> :D
[05:19] <Sonny_Wertzik> Toma-, are u using something else thats comparable to dvdrip?
[05:19] <durt> how can antialiasing be enabled with an nvidia card?
[05:19] <tga> digitalfox|sleep, the symlinks in /etc/rc*.d pointing at scripts in /etc/init.d do all the work
[05:19] <Toma-> acidrip
[05:19] <kevin007> nvidia has a panel built into their driver.   I forgot the command for it though
[05:19] <carthik> robotgeek, thank you!
[05:20] <kevin007> something like nv-panel on the command line
[05:20] <Toma-> uses mencoder rather than transcode
[05:20] <ksmurf> joebu23 uname -s
[05:20] <Sonny_Wertzik> durt, type nvidia-settings in a terminal window
[05:20] <robotgeek> carthik: already got some useful stuff off there
[05:20] <carthik> robotgeek, it is a pretty stupid task - trawl mailing lists and write up interesting stuff - is all it is
[05:20] <durt> oh thanks guys, i just noticed that option ;)
[05:21] <carthik> robotgeek, good to know it is useful - everytime i read something useful at the mailing list, i used to want to write it down :)
[05:21] <pestilence> anybody have any hardware recommendations for use with ubuntu?  i just want something that has a reasonable bus and ide controller
[05:21] <hygl> hi,somehow the .iso image I have downloaded is broken, how can I update/fix it with rync?
[05:21] <robotgeek> carthik: :)
[05:21] <joebu23> smurf, that just says "Linux" back to me
[05:21] <robotgeek> carthik: hey, u got the wordpress invite, not me :)
[05:21] <durt> does it require restarting x to take effect?
[05:21] <Toma-> hygl: should have used bittorrent to get it ;)
[05:21] <ssdd65> can i upgrade my hoary to brezzy with out losing all my data?
[05:21] <carthik> robotgeek, uh oh - I invited a bunch of folks, one of them could invite you i guess...
[05:22] <tga> ssdd65, why would you want to do that?
[05:22] <carthik> ssdd65, yes you can
[05:22] <tga> ssdd65, you do know breezy is not a stable release yet, right?
[05:22] <Sonny_Wertzik> Toma-, do you know another program like dvdrip that works?
[05:22] <ssdd65> i know
[05:22] <robotgeek> carthik: does it allow photos too?
[05:22] <tga> Sonny_Wertzik, vobcopy then mencoder
[05:22] <carthik> robotgeek, a 100 gig
[05:22] <ssdd65> just wanted to know so when it comes out....
[05:22] <Toma-> Sonny_Wertzik: yeh i said acidrip... it uses mencoder rather than transcode
[05:22] <carthik> hah! i wish - 100 mb
[05:22] <robotgeek> carthik: please an invite :)
[05:22] <hygl> Toma-: does not help me now, how do I use an ubuntu rsync server?
[05:22] <Sonny_Wertzik> ahhh ok thanx Toma
[05:22] <ssdd65> how would i do it?
[05:23] <Toma-> hygl: no idea
[05:23] <carthik> robotgeek, #ubuntu-offtopic?
[05:23] <carthik> hygl, what do you want to use it for?
[05:23] <jabra> hmm doesn't seem to be able to play .ma4's
[05:23] <ksmurf> joebu23 uname -nmosvr
[05:23] <lancellor> i think i did it mount my second hard drive
[05:23] <esac> anybody having problems with ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net .. I am trying to run an apt-get update, and it keeps timing out, sometimes succeeds, but fails a lot
[05:24] <hygl> carthik: I want to fix my broken iso download with it.
[05:24] <ksmurf> esac yes it's down
[05:24] <joebu23> smurf: 2.6.12-8-386
[05:24] <ascher> anyone can teach me how to install yahoo messenger in Ubunntu
[05:24] <ksmurf> where does it freeze
[05:25] <carthik> hygl, did you download it without using a torrent?
[05:25] <Toma-> is ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net working from anywhere else?
[05:25] <esac> ksmurf: is this a new development, or has it been this way for a while and i shouldn't try again in an hour ?
[05:25] <ksmurf> toma... pm me
[05:25] <ghostdog> nalioth where can i get fileroller?
[05:25] <esac> Err http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net hoary-extras Release.gpg
[05:25] <esac>   Temporary failure resolving 'ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net'
[05:25] <robotgeek> ghostdog: i beliebe it's file-roller
[05:25] <Toma-> dang.
[05:25] <carthik> hygl, in any case, the iso image is one file, so i dont think resumin using rsync will serve your purpose
[05:25] <lancellor> now how do i make it write and read i tried   sudo chmod 777 /mnt/storage    but did not work
[05:26] <Agrajag> lancellor: what filesystem is it?
[05:26] <ghostdog> robotgeek it doesnt support rar files
[05:26] <robotgeek> ghostdog: get unrar-nonfree
[05:27] <lancellor> fat32
[05:27] <tga> ghostdog, get rar
[05:27] <bob2> lancellor: that's not how file system work
[05:27] <bob2> esac: ask on the forums, none the backport people are ever here, afaict
[05:27] <Agrajag> oh, then try setting umask to 0000 in /etc/fstab
[05:27] <Agrajag> for that mountpoint
[05:27] <tga> umask=0 is enough
[05:28] <lancellor> http://www.linuxgazette.com/node/10485  this is what i did
[05:28] <carthik> esc, use a different backports mirror, the acm one works for me...
[05:28] <brownie17> hey everyone, should my micrphone work if i don't have drivers for my sound card but my sound card works?
[05:29] <lancellor> i munt it and tells me the right size on the disk but i can't write to it
[05:29] <carthik> esac, ^^^
[05:29] <ghostdog> k tnx
[05:29] <bob2> brownie17: if it works, you have drivers
[05:29] <tga> lancellor, your fstab line should read /dev/hd[whatever]  /mnt/storage vfat defaults,umask=0 0 0
[05:29] <esac> carthik: can you pmsg me your sources.list line, im not familiar with the mirrors
[05:29] <brownie17> bob2, well generic ones, but should my mic work?
[05:29] <ojt> guys,why does my fedora wont run when i installed ubuntu?
[05:29] <ascher> can i install chikka in linux ubuntu?
[05:30] <bob2> brownie17: there's no such thing as "generic" sound drivers
[05:30] <tga> lancellor, vfat doesn't support file permissions so you set a single umask for the whole mountpoint
[05:30] <bob2> ojt: you need to be a lot more specific about what "wont run" means
[05:30] <lancellor> that will allow mw to read write??
[05:30] <brownie17> bob2, well i didn't install any drivers, and my sound card works fine
[05:30] <tritium> ascher, you can run the chikka-lite (java) version after installing java
[05:30] <lancellor> where is that fstab file
[05:30] <bob2> brownie17: yes, ubuntu includes drivers for basically all hardware in common use
[05:30] <bob2> (aside from shitty broadcom cards)
[05:30] <ascher> thanks
[05:30] <tritium> lancellor, /etc
[05:30] <bob2> brownie17: and your microphone should work, yes
[05:30] <tga> lancellor, sudo gedit /etc/fstab
[05:31] <bob2> ojt: please don't /msg me
[05:31] <brownie17> bob2, hahaha i didnbt have it plugged in
[05:31] <lancellor> got it
[05:31] <tga> ojt, maybe the bootloader installed by ubuntu doesn't know about your fedora
[05:31] <hygl> carthik: so how do I fix it?
[05:31] <ojt> how can i fixed it?
[05:32] <bob2> does fedora use an initd?
[05:32] <brownie17> bob2, when i go to use sound recorder to record sound, it goes "ALSA device "default" had an error
[05:32] <sudonim> bob2: Ubuntu has drivers for my broadcom card built into my Asus A7V8X
[05:32] <ksmurf> this is funny..... the best wifi reception in my hotel room is in the bathroom
[05:32] <jjazz_> I have samba up and running on an Ubuntu box, and I can print to it from my debian box.  But my WinXP box lets me install the printer and select a driver, but then it says access denied and unable to connect.  Googling the error doesn't tell me how to solve it.  Anybody have any bright ideas?
[05:33] <bob2> sudonim: wired nic?
[05:33] <brownie17> ksmurf, hahah, because it's designed so you can use it to look up porn
[05:33] <sudonim> yeah 10/100
[05:33] <netbugz> LOL coz all the conductor is in there
[05:33] <trigger_ph> hi everyone. quick q...does totem need proprietary plugins for it to read VCDs?
[05:33] <netbugz> hehehehhehe
[05:33] <tritium> ksmurf, don't even tell me you're using the laptop while you're on the can...
[05:33] <netbugz> like water
[05:33] <carthik> hygl, you have to download it again....
[05:33] <bob2> sudonim: yeah, wired ones have drivers, it's just the wireless ones that do not
[05:33] <ksmurf> sorry no more potty talk from me
[05:33] <sudonim> oh, whoops - jumped in in the middle of that one :)
[05:34] <bob2> trigger_ph: just use mplayer
[05:34] <ksmurf> tritium... war sh*tt*ng.... kinda lick war driving
[05:34] <ksmurf> like
[05:34] <volvoguy> well, i made it in here a little earlier tonight. is the person that was helping me with gpart the other day around?
[05:34] <bob2> this sounds off-topic
[05:34] <ksmurf> sorry
[05:34] <lancellor> shnoul i reboot??
[05:34] <tritium> ksmurf, sick, dude
[05:34] <trigger_ph> bob2: that's not on the default package listing right?
[05:35] <bob2> trigger_ph: indeed, it's in multiverse. /msg ubotu repositories
[05:35] <brownie17> LANCELLOR SAID REBOOT!
[05:35] <brownie17> sorry about caps
[05:35] <bob2> lancellor: no
[05:35] <aline> btw of laptops, I have ubuntu 5.10 on an old toshiba laptop, everything is fine, exept the sleep function
[05:35] <trigger_ph> bob2: thanks! i'll check it out.
[05:35] <Agrajag> lancellor: the only time you ever need to reboot is when you update your kernel.
[05:35] <aline> after I put it to sleep, I need a cold restart
[05:35] <lancellor> shoul be mount it now??
[05:36] <bob2> aline: do file a bug
[05:36] <tga> lancellor, first umount whatever you have on that mountpoint by `sudo umount /mnt/storage`
[05:36] <Agrajag> lancellor: sudo mount -a
[05:36] <brownie17> bob2, i have a problem, when i use the "hibernate option", it works, but then i cannot bring it out again, what are you supposed to do?
[05:36] <Agrajag> should bring your mounts in sync with fstab
[05:36] <bob2> brownie17: file a bug
[05:36] <aline> brownie17 same problem here
[05:36] <esac> dang, ubuntuguide.org seems to be down as well
[05:36] <kevin007> yeah, my hibernate doesn't come out either.  Used too, but not now
[05:37] <bob2> brownie17: if you're using binary-only drivers, tho, you probably just lose
[05:37] <tga> brownie17, I have the same problem, get in line
[05:37] <esac> !java
[05:37] <ubotu> methinks java is to install Java please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java
[05:37] <kevin007> video never comes up
[05:37] <bob2> suspend-to-disk is broken on my x40, too
[05:37] <bob2> so everyone not using an x40 should file a bug
[05:37] <bob2> now!
[05:37] <trigger_ph> !repositories
[05:37] <ubotu> somebody said repositories was probably at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto A list of official repositories can be found at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969
[05:37] <bob2> mjg59 needs more to do!
[05:37] <brownie17> bob2, file a bug report about the suspend thing or the sound thing?
[05:37] <brownie17> bob2, what is an x40?
[05:38] <tga> brownie17, it's an IBM lappy
[05:38] <brownie17> bob2, where i rport bugs?
[05:38] <benplaut> a rather good lappy, at that :P
[05:38] <brownie17> !bug reporting
[05:38] <ubotu> brownie17: I haven't a clue
[05:38] <volvoguy> bob2, i was just giving mjg59 more to do. :-)
[05:38] <bob2> brownie17: suspend breaking
[05:38] <bob2> brownie17: bugzilla.ubuntu.com
[05:38] <jabra> after I installed  libfaad2-dev I can't load the mp4 plugin into xmms
[05:38] <lancellor> looks like is workink thanks so much...
[05:38] <brownie17> how do you report bugs?
[05:38] <tga> one fresh new bug coming up
[05:38] <brownie17> ok
[05:38] <bob2> tga: those little life books are pretty bloody cute, tho
[05:38] <bob2> volvoguy: haha
[05:38] <jabra> dabaR, thoughts?
[05:39] <tga> brownie17, bugzilla.ubuntu.com
[05:39] <lancellor> so every time i turn my computer will mount my storage drive??
[05:39] <tga> bob2, I have an S-series lifebook and I had a few hardware problems with it, support hasn't been great either
[05:39] <tga> lancellor, if it's correctly specified in /etc/fstab, yes
[05:40] <TeamCriptaCorp> #ubuntu-es
[05:40] <tga> lancellor, you'll notice that's how your / file system is nounted
[05:40] <tga> TeamCriptaCorp, Bad command or file name
[05:40] <bob2> tga: ah, ok
[05:40] <lancellor> yes
[05:40] <bob2> lancellor: if it's in /etc/fstab and has "auto" in the options field, yes
[05:40] <tga> or 'defaults'
[05:41] <tga> isn't 'auto' a default option?
[05:41] <brownie17> bob2, how are you supposed to bring it out of "suspend-to-disk"?
[05:41] <lancellor> no should i type auto???
[05:41] <blank> has it happened to anyone that you install the ati drivers and it doesn't seem like they're actually running, like any 3D is laggy and stuff
[05:41] <tga> lancellor, you're okay if you have "defaults" in there
[05:41] <blank> I did fglrxconfig and all
[05:41] <ojt> what does these means?
[05:41] <blank> but still nothing
[05:42] <lancellor> /dev/hdb1       /mnt/storage    vfat   defaults,umask=0 0 0
[05:42] <jabra> anyone have any idea how to get mp4's to play in xmms with multiverse?
[05:42] <lancellor> this what i have
[05:42] <ojt> Failed to fetch http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/o/openoffice.org/openoffice.org-bin_1.1.3-8ubuntu2.3_i386.deb  MD5Sum mismatch
[05:42] <ojt> E: Unable to fetch some archives, maybe run apt-get update or try with --fix-missing?
[05:42] <planet> hmm
[05:42] <lancellor> exactly how you told me
[05:42] <carthik> brownie17, pressing the power button on my lappie just a wee bit does it for me
[05:42] <bob2> brownie17: by booting it
[05:42] <planet> hello
[05:42] <planet> my friend
[05:42] <blank> Anyone here use ATI Graphics Cards?
[05:42] <bob2> brownie17: the kernel notices it suspened last time, and should resume
[05:42] <tga> lancellor, try a reboot, it should work
[05:43] <lancellor> thnak you
[05:43] <carthik> ojt try getting it again - md2sum mismatch means the file that was retrieved was not identifiable as the "right" file
[05:43] <lancellor> ok i'm going to reebot now se ya thanks iwill came back in a minute...
[05:43] <blank> Anyone here use the ATI proprietary drivers
[05:43] <ojt> what would i do?
[05:44] <trigger_ph> bob2: thanks for the help. got to go
[05:44] <bob2> adios
[05:44] <blank> does anyone here use ATI
[05:45] <michi> cya guys
[05:45] <michi> got to work
[05:45] <bob2> blank: it's a lot easier if you just ask your question
[05:45] <michi> :P
[05:45] <blank> I just did
[05:45] <bob2> blank: yes, lots of people use ATI
[05:45] <bob2> did you have a follow up question?
[05:45] <blank> I installed ATI drivers (I think, apt-get xorg-driver-install or something) and it seems as if they're not even running, crazy laggy, no it's not my card, I even did the fglrxconfig thing
[05:45] <blank> I've had it work on Suse once, very well, but I forgot how I did it
[05:46] <bob2> wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[05:46] <bob2> follow that again
[05:46] <blank> for example
[05:46] <shorty114> how far out is breezy?
[05:46] <blank> I use super tux and even that lags
[05:46] <shorty114> final
[05:46] <blank> bob2, was that link to me
[05:46] <bur[n] er> shorty114: early october
[05:46] <carthik> ojt, just mention my name when you type a message, and i'll know its for me... yes, apt-get upgrade again
[05:46] <bob2> blank: yes
[05:47] <carthik> ojt, to remove the previously downloaded packages use apt-get autoclean or clean....
[05:47] <ojt> carthik: ahh sowee
[05:47] <shorty114> bur[n] er, sweet, new nickelback cd, new ubuntu version, looks like a good month ;)
[05:47] <justin-> hey everybody, just switched to ubuntu
[05:47] <carthik> ojt, no problemo
[05:47] <blank> bob2: thanks, I remember that, but I just forgot about it
[05:47] <juan1delgado1> ei need help here
[05:48] <ojt> carthik, ok i try using that
[05:48] <blank> bob2: im running breezy, do I just use the warty warthog one or hoary hedgehog
[05:48] <carthik> juan1delgado1, ask
[05:48] <jessid> chao y gracias por todo!!! Nos vemos luego!!!
[05:48] <bob2> blank: the latter, I'd think
[05:49] <blank> thanks
[05:49] <Schn311> quick question to everyone...  i am getting back into linux and i'm going with ubuntu.  should i wait till the next release to put it on my system, or can i get the current release and use the updater to get everything that the new one will have?
[05:49] <carthik> Schn311, latter
[05:49] <juan1delgado1> had error saying x window may not be installed properly go to wiki.x.org
[05:49] <Schn311> will i be able to update gnome that way?
[05:49] <blank> bob2: i already did step one yesterday, but should I start all over
[05:49] <bur[n] er> Schn311: i concur with carthik
[05:49] <juan1delgado1> had error saying x window may not be installed properly go to wiki.x.org
[05:49] <brownie17> bob2, well pressing it does nothing, and i have to reset, which just starts it normally
[05:49] <carthik> juan1delgado1, so?
[05:50] <bur[n] er> Schn311: you'll be able to do everything.. from kernel to gnome to gaim to firefox
[05:50] <Schn311> sweet
[05:50] <Schn311> thanks
[05:50] <bob2> blank: just make sure all are done
[05:50] <carthik> Schn311, never have to reinstall, at all, unless everything blows up in your face or you hard disk dies or soemthing
[05:50] <juan1delgado1> why it didn't installed properly when i was able to install it to other pc very well
[05:50] <bob2> brownie17: "have to reset"? it doesn't even power up when you hit the power button?
[05:50] <Schn311> lol
[05:50] <Schn311> yeah
[05:50] <carthik> juan1delgado1, trying to install breezy, i suppose?
[05:50] <juan1delgado1> i tried to reinstall it several times same error
[05:50] <bob2> brownie17: you're not confusing suspend-to-disk and suspend-to-ram, are you?
[05:51] <juan1delgado1> the new version ok
[05:51] <juan1delgado1> im downloading it now
[05:51] <juan1delgado1> another question
[05:51] <Lafy> what's a good way to burn an iso to a cd in ubuntu?
[05:51] <brownie17> bob2, i just press the "hibernate" button in the logout menu
[05:51] <juan1delgado1> on my other pc
[05:51] <bob2> Lafy: right click on it in the file manager
[05:51] <carthik> juan1delgado1, no, breezy is the next release , not stable, try hoary, and always, try the live cd first if you can to see how things will turn out before you install
[05:51] <bob2> brownie17: then the machine powers off entirely (eventually)?
[05:52] <prince29> can i install yahoo messenger in my Ubunu OS
[05:52] <brownie17> bob2, well tje power light is still on, but it doesn't make any noise
[05:52] <prince29> ?
[05:52] <brownie17> bob2, and keyboard presses do nothing
[05:52] <prince29> can i install yahoo messenger in my Ubuntu OS?
[05:52] <robotgeek> prince29: u can use gaim
[05:52] <juan1delgado1> ok i can't seem to logon with my win xp it says invalid fle system
[05:52] <juan1delgado1> this is with another pc
[05:53] <juan1delgado1> tnx
[05:53] <bob2> brownie17: how long did you leave it?
[05:53] <prince29> but i cant use my webcam there and even view my friends cam
[05:53] <bob2> oh no!
[05:53] <tritium> prince29, the linux version does not support webcams
[05:53] <tga> prince29, there is no real yahoo messenger for linux
[05:53] <justin-> heh
[05:53] <tga> lol, he didn't like that
[05:53] <ojt> anyone knows if can linux support Online Games?
[05:53] <juan1delgado1> this is with another pc
[05:53] <bur[n] er> ojt: depends on the game
[05:53] <juan1delgado1> ok i can't seem to logon with my win xp it says invalid fle system
[05:54] <juan1delgado1> nut ubuntu is ok
[05:54] <juan1delgado1> but ubuntu is ok
[05:54] <Schn311> how many install disks does ubuntu use?
[05:54] <brownie17> bob2, before i pressed the power button again? i don't know about a minute or two, could it just be slow?
[05:54] <prince29> is it possible to use a webcam in Gaim
[05:54] <bur[n] er> Schn311: 1
[05:54] <tritium> Schn311, one CD
[05:54] <prince29> is it possible to use a webcam in Gaim?
[05:54] <Schn311> thanks
[05:54] <cafuego_> Schn311: Normally just one CD, but you can also get a DVD with more stuff.
[05:54] <bob2> brownie17: it could be, sometimes it takes a lloooooong time
[05:54] <cafuego_> prince29: Not yet./
[05:54] <bob2> brownie17: leave it for 10 minutes or so if yo ucan
[05:54] <justin-> i switched to linux mostly because console games are just better nowadays
[05:55] <brownie17> bob2, yeah i'll try that. but it isn't worth doing if it takes ten minutes to do
[05:55] <ojt> can i run yahoo messenger on ubuntu?
[05:55] <justin-> yahoo messanger is crap...
[05:55] <kevin007> considering how expensive video cards still are I don't blame you for doing the console for your gaming
[05:55] <cafuego_> ojt: In theory you cna, but in practive the ymessenger deb is horrible broken.
[05:55] <blank> I installed kde-base
[05:55] <blank> how can I uninstall it
[05:55] <blank> in other words
[05:56] <juan1delgado1> ok i can't seem to logon with my win xp it says invalid fle system
[05:56] <juan1delgado1> but ubuntu is ok
[05:56] <blank> what's the inverse of apt-get install kde-base
[05:56] <tga> ojt, there are clients that canconnect to the yahoo network but you will not have audio, video, games, audibles, environments, etc
[05:56] <nalioth> blank: remove
[05:56] <brownie17> bur[n] er, hey, out of interest, how do you actually transfer th emulators to the xbox, and for what console or sytem are the emulators on there for?
[05:56] <juan1delgado1> ok i can't seem to logon with my win xp it says invalid fle system
[05:56] <bur[n] er> juan1delgado1: not sure what you're asking
[05:56] <juan1delgado1> but ubuntu is ok
[05:56] <blank> instead of install
[05:56] <juan1delgado1> at bot
[05:56] <prince29> can i install photoshop or corel draw in ubuntu?
[05:56] <tga> blank, man apt-get
[05:56] <ojt> ahh, thnx for info guys
[05:56] <prince29> can i install photoshop or corel draw in ubuntu?
[05:56] <cafuego_> ojt: gaim speaks the yahoo protocol, though.
[05:56] <bur[n] er> juan1delgado1: aww, your grub is b0rked
[05:56] <bob2> brownie17: right, but it gives you more info for the bug report :)
[05:56] <tga> prince29, not the recent versions
[05:56] <tga> prince29, not the recent versions
[05:56] <blank> apt-get remove kde-base
[05:56] <juan1delgado1> at boot up GRUB
[05:56] <blank> kay
[05:56] <bur[n] er> juan1delgado1: just use ubuntu ;)
[05:56] <juan1delgado1> hehehe
[05:56] <brownie17> bob2, yeah
[05:56] <cafuego_> prince29: Yes, but you'd need 'crossover office', which is payware.
[05:56] <bur[n] er> or edit your /boot/grub/menu.lst file
[05:57] <prince29> thanks...
[05:57] <juan1delgado1> how to
[05:57] <juan1delgado1> ...
[05:57] <tritium> blank, if you use aptitude in the future, when you go to remove a package, it can also remove packages that were pulled in as dependencies
[05:57] <cafuego_> prince29: You might consider the alternativrs, gimp for bitmaps and inkscape for vector.
[05:57] <tga> cafuego, does corel draw actually work in cxoffice?
[05:57] <tga> heh, not much of an alternative
[05:57] <cafuego_> prince29: inkscape is VERY nice indeed these days, I like it better than Illustrator now.
[05:58] <cafuego_> tga: SOME version of corel probably does.
[05:58] <prince29> ahhh i c thanks cafuego
[05:58] <bur[n] er> brownie17: msg ;)
[05:59] <cafuego_> prince29: And when you pu them all together, 'scribus' can do the pre-press layout :-)
[05:59] <nalioth> tritium and ronald mcdonald are my heroes
[05:59] <blank> k
[05:59] <ojt> cafuego_, can gaim senn msg. to yahoo messenger?
[05:59] <cafuego_> ojt: Yes.
[05:59] <bur[n] er> ojt: yes
[05:59] <regeya> it'st time to not party!
[05:59] <tritium> nalioth, you're so sweet...
[05:59] <regeya> WHOOO
[05:59] <ojt> ah
[05:59] <carthik> sounds like an orgy around here
[06:00] <tga> ojt, and msn, aim, gtalk
[06:00] <justin-> haha
[06:00] <justin-> yes yes oh whoo yes ah ah yes
[06:00] <prince29> gosh it takes a long process...
[06:00] <bur[n] er> ojt: and jabber, gadu-gadu and irc
[06:00] <cafuego_> and irc, and jabber...
[06:00] <ojt> can it support webcams?
[06:00] <regeya> boom chick boom chick boom chick boom chick boom chick
[06:00] <bur[n] er> ojt: no
[06:00] <cafuego_> ojt: No, it doesn't supportw ebcams yet. Support is being worked on.
[06:00] <ojt> ahh
[06:01] <cafuego_> You REALLY don't want to have to look at most poeple in here, though ;-)
[06:01] <ojt> because in our country microsoft has an operation
[06:01] <SPCcrow> What is a good mp3 player to use with ubuntu?
[06:01] <netbugz> LOL
[06:01] <netbugz> what operation???
[06:01] <carthik> SPCcrow, what do you like in an mp3 player?
[06:01] <blank> does anyone know how to remove kde
[06:01] <regeya> SPCcrow: mpg321
[06:01] <blank> i installed kde
[06:01] <blank> but i wanna remove it
[06:01] <ojt> they search through all internet cafes and busted all non lisenced windows user
[06:01] <netbugz> General Surgery type of operation??
[06:01] <cafuego_> SPCcrow: totem, beep-media-player, rhythmbox... take your pick.
[06:01] <_n00blar_> has anyone setup a tftp server here? I think I'm close to get it to work, but I can't write files on the box where tftpd is running
[06:02] <netbugz> LOL
[06:02] <SPCcrow> cafuego_: tried rhtymbox, wouldn't play the songs
[06:02] <blank> can anyone please help me uninstalling kde
[06:02] <nalioth> blank: "sudo apt-get remove kde-base" <<<<opposite of what you asked
[06:02] <bz0b> hey guys
[06:02] <bz0b> hey its nalioth
[06:02] <regeya> I betcha if you removed libqt, blank, that'd do it
[06:02] <bz0b> yay
[06:02] <bz0b> nalioth: can you hel;p me
[06:02] <cafuego_> SPCcrow: Did you install the mp3 codec libs?
[06:02] <bur[n] er> blank: why you wanna uninstall anyway?
[06:02] <carthik> ubotu tell SPCcrow about restricted formats
[06:02] <regeya> NOT PAAAARTAY!!!!
[06:02] <bz0b> nalioth: hahaha i am soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo drunk!
[06:02] <blank> cuase now the main logon screen is kubuntu
[06:02] <nalioth> bz0b: if it's about your sudoers, maybe
[06:02] <regeya> everybody get SANE!  everybody get SOBER!
[06:02] <blank> :"(
[06:02] <tritium> bz0b, that is so offtopic
[06:02] <regeya> it's a NOT PARTY!
[06:02] <blank> brb
[06:03] <jdermer> a lot of people love firefox... i dont get it.. i always have probs with it... be it on linux or windows
[06:03] <justin-> on a lighter note, sproingies is a cool screen saver
[06:03] <bz0b> nalioth: i fixwed that
[06:03] <bur[n] er> !tell SPCcrow about restrictedformats
[06:03] <bz0b> yyayay
[06:03] <cafuego_> blank: You cna still choose to log in to Gnome from that login window.
[06:03] <bur[n] er> jdermer: you're kidding?
[06:03] <nalioth> bz0b: so what can i help you with?
[06:03] <bob2> jdermer: please do file bugs!
[06:03] <jdermer> nope
[06:03] <cafuego_> justin-: Did Qbert make you say that?
[06:03] <bz0b> nalioth: you had said apples didnt come with pcmcia
[06:03] <netbugz> firefox is 64bit Iexplore is 128 bit
[06:03] <justin-> no.....
[06:03] <nalioth> bz0b: i said ibooks dont come with pcmcia
[06:03] <bz0b> nalioth: and i just saw my teachers 17inch powerbook with one today
[06:03] <bz0b> nalioth: oh
[06:04] <nalioth> bz0b: i dont own any powerbooks
[06:04] <ojt> why does my firefox web browser wont run?
[06:04] <bz0b> nalioth: does the 12 inch powerbook have ne?
[06:04] <tga> ojt, did you install it?
[06:04] <bob2> what would a "128 bit" browswer mean?
[06:04] <cafuego_> bz0b: Yes, one.
[06:04] <nalioth> bz0b: on that i'm not sure
[06:04] <ojt> tga, yup
[06:04] <bur[n] er> lol @ tga
[06:04] <bur[n] er> ojt: get any errors?
[06:04] <bz0b> nalioth: yeah i aint rich! i cant afford no freaking powerbook
[06:04] <jdermer> like sometimes firefox will just seem to lock up. like the program is responsive but if i were to type an addy in the address bar and hit enter nothing would happen
[06:04] <cafuego_> bz0b: You cna verify that by going to the Apple website.
[06:04] <tga> ojt, try running 'firefox' in a terminal and see what error you get
[06:04] <prince29> gosh it takes a long process...?
[06:04] <justin-> firefox worked for me immediately
[06:04] <prince29> ?
[06:04] <prince29> .
[06:04] <bz0b> but it aint on the dman specs man!
[06:04] <psusi> firefox supports 128 bit ssl if that's what you were refering to
[06:04] <ojt> tga, i can click the icon, but wont load
[06:04] <cafuego_> bz0b: Lacking pcmcia, a 12" iBook can use USB wifi, though.
[06:04] <ojt> tga,okz
[06:05] <nalioth> bz0b: if you pull off your whiskey glasses, it is there in the specs
[06:05] <cafuego_> My firefox does 256bit TLS actually.
[06:05] <tga> stop clicking icons and get busy
[06:05] <bz0b> nalioth: man, i wish the apple store was open right now, i wanna go buy an apple damnit!
[06:05] <cafuego_> Not, admittedly, with IIS hosted sites, but with apache ones it does.
[06:05] <carthik> bz0b, store.apple.com ?
[06:05] <cafuego_> bz0b: Just order it online.
[06:05] <netbugz> buy an APPLE then eat it
[06:05] <bz0b> cafuego_: oh yeah, my firefox does C++ when its sipping bacardi!
[06:05] <netbugz> LOL
[06:05] <Lafy> are there any command line cd burning programs packaged with ubuntu besides cdrecord?
[06:05] <tga> online commerce when drunk.. not a good idea
[06:06] <cafuego_> Lafy: No
[06:06] <tga> Lafy, k3b, eroaster
[06:06] <carthik> Lafy, search in synaptic?
[06:06] <regeya> meh.
[06:06] <netbugz> gnome
[06:06] <bz0b> tga: good idea
[06:06] <nalioth> tga: esp when TWO ups trucks show up
[06:06] <regeya> boom chacka boom chacka boom chacka boom chacka
[06:06] <netbugz> use its filebrowser
[06:06] <cafuego_> Lafy: And all the GUI ones use cdrecord as back-end anyway.
[06:06] <netbugz> ryt klik on the ISO
[06:06] <ojt> tga, wew i can run it in terminal
[06:06] <carthik> General Question - is there a how things work in Ubuntu document?
[06:06] <bur[n] er> any ops around?   I for oen am sick of boom chacka
[06:06] <ojt> tga,but in desktop wont work
[06:06] <tga> ojt, your icon calls the wrong thing then
[06:06] <bur[n] er> carthik: wiki.ubuntu.com
[06:06] <ojt> tga,ah
[06:07] <nalioth> bur[n] er: boom chacka?
[06:07] <cafuego_> Lafy: What are you trying to do?
[06:07] <ojt> tga,how can i correct it?
[06:07] <justin-> any ops at all is the question
[06:07] <psusi> not that it really matters... I mean the odds on someone sniffing your network traffic are quite low... let alone sniffing it and then attempting to crack an ssl connection
[06:07] <tritium> yes, but what for?
[06:07] <Lafy> cafuego_: burn an iso to a cd from a command line...
[06:07] <bur[n] er> nalioth: look at regeya's last couple posts
[06:07] <tga> hmm.. not sure.. the menu item should Just Work
[06:07] <bz0b> cafuego_: so i should get the 17inch powerbook with 2gb ram and all the software and accessories!
[06:07] <nalioth> quite
[06:07] <bz0b> nalioth: yeah!
[06:07] <nalioth> folks, lets get back on topic here, please
[06:07] <ojt> tga,heres an erros
[06:07] <carthik> bur[n] er, document - that explains how things work - i know the wiki exists, i am looking for a simple 1000 word document that should tell ubuntu users how things are to be installed, how things are managed, where the files are etc - else i will write it now
[06:07] <tga> bz0b, get one of me too, will ya? I'll msg you the address
[06:07] <bz0b> yeah what nalioth says
[06:07] <cafuego_> Lafy: 'cdrecord dev=/dev/hdc -v -eject -data foo.iso'  (where hdc is whatever your CDR device is)
[06:08] <Lafy> cdrecord keeps complaining that /dev/pg* doesn't exist
[06:08] <bz0b> tga: but you have to pay for shipping!
[06:08] <bur[n] er> carthik: u check the new user documentation on the wiki?
[06:08] <nalioth> musical notation, drunken shopping sprees and all else not related to ubunt help can go to #ubuntu-offtopic
[06:08] <tga> bz0b, $3k shipping by any chance?
[06:08] <ojt> tga,(firefox-bin:9161): Gdk-WARNING **: locale not supported by Xlib
[06:08] <ojt> (firefox-bin:9161): Gdk-WARNING **: cannot set locale modifiers
[06:08] <carthik> bur[n] er, i havent post reorganization
[06:08] <regeya> bur[n] er, settle down, it was exactly two lines.  that's the same number of lines you devoted to bitching about it.  had you asked me I would have stopped, instead you had to be a dick about it and raise the ire of both an op, and of me.
[06:08] <cafuego_> Lafy: It complains about pg* when you don't pass it a correct device param.
[06:08] <blank> my drivers say they're all right, supposedly, but when I run supertux with opengl it lags like crazy
[06:08] <Lafy> oh
[06:08] <Lafy> ok
[06:08] <bz0b> tga: oh, just remmebered apple has free shipping i think
[06:08] <auk> what version of firefox will be packaged with 5.10?
[06:08] <bz0b> tga: pm me your address
[06:08] <blank> what's that sled tux game, that your tux rides a sled
[06:08] <cafuego_> Lafy: What I typed will work, provided you use the right device file.
[06:09] <bob2> auk: what's the latest release?
[06:09] <bob2> auk: 1.0.6, afaik
[06:09] <cafuego_> blank: tuxracer?
[06:09] <tga> ojt, that is a warning, not an error
[06:09] <tritium> bur[n] er, which boom chaka?
[06:09] <tga> bz0b, will you ship to PO boxes?
[06:09] <nalioth> tritium: regeya was 'singing' earlier
[06:09] <cafuego_> Apple don't ship to PO boxes
[06:09] <Schn311> when i am installing the various distro's i've used it always asks for parameters i want to pass to the kernel... is this something that i would possibly have use for?  or is it only for very advanced users?
[06:09] <bz0b> umm, what the hell man, i am drunk off my a** and like i feel like singning now!
[06:09] <carthik> Ubuntu should really add it's own certificates into firefox... its a pain to have to say yes each time i visit the wiki
[06:09] <auk> bob2: 1.0.6, but 1.5 (beta) is not at all unstable
[06:09] <ojt> tga, is there something wrong with it?
[06:09] <Lafy> cafuego_: so -scanbus just doesn't work?
[06:09] <tritium> nalioth, ah, okay
[06:09] <blank> not tuxracer, is it? the one in the snow
[06:09] <nalioth> apple talk to ##apple or #ubuntu-offtopic please
[06:10] <bz0b> tga: umm  god, it wont fit in the PO box
[06:10] <cafuego_> Schn311: The kernel is pretty clever these days, you shouldn't need params unless you have odd hardware.
[06:10] <bob2> auk: but not actually released yet
[06:10] <regeya> nalioth, bur[n] er, I must point out that the griping about past transgressions is also offtopic.
[06:10] <bz0b> ok, i am going to #apple!
[06:10] <auk> bob2: :(
[06:10] <auk> 1.5 is ssooooooo frikin fast
[06:10] <Schn311> so cd burning and such are no longer need to be passed
[06:10] <auk> :)
[06:10] <cafuego_> Lafy: scanbus works, provided you tell it to use the ATAPI: bus.
[06:10] <auk> i wish...
[06:11] <bur[n] er> carthik: try here... and add to it :)  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUserGuide
[06:11] <psusi> so what's the deal with dvd burning support?  I read that the maker of cdrecord decided to withhold dvd support from the open source version and made a comercial product to do it
[06:11] <regeya> auk, talking about firefox?  agreed, but I'm waiting for more plugin devs to port to 1.5. :)
[06:11] <cafuego_> Lafy: it traditionally whines about pg* when you don't specific atapi and don't have the scsi emulation modules loaded. Just telling it to use /dev/hdX works fine with 2.6 kernels, though.
[06:11] <cafuego_> Lafy: (using scsi emu with 2.6 is not recommended)
[06:12] <auk> anyoen have a nice, thourough link to somehtign explaining the philosophy of not updating software till next release?
[06:12] <regeya> auk...
[06:12] <agent> i need to find out my ap's ip address. how do i do this? my internet connection (using ap) works
[06:12] <psusi> auk: you mean as opposed to beta testing?
[06:12] <auk> regeya: yes?
[06:12] <regeya> auk, sorry, looking.  I've seen it before.
[06:13] <psusi> agent: ask ipconfig what your default gateway is
[06:13] <auk> psusi: i mean, when ff 1.5 actually does come out, i won't get to see the new features till ubuntu 'dapper' comes out
[06:13] <auk> regeya: cool
[06:13] <psusi> auk: or you can just install the ff 1.5 package when it comes out for ubunto
[06:13] <auk> psusi: adn then you get compatibility issues with upgrading to 'dapper' w/ apt
[06:14] <gfunckers> how to save a file to my floopy drive ?
[06:14] <regeya> auk: unless of course you happen to use backports, which isn't officially recommended and has been rumored to cause problems, though I've not yet met anyone who's had major problems with a backport.
[06:14] <blank> hey my drivers seem to work now
[06:14] <blank> i ran planepenguin and it doesn't lag at all, i still wonder why supertux does though
[06:15] <agent> psusi, what do you mean by ipconfig?
[06:15] <freeman_08> how come i cant share my HDD? it says that i need to install samba or NFS yet i already could see computers with windows OS
[06:16] <gfunckers> how to share my printer, and how to save a file to my floopy disk ?
[06:16] <auk> stupid xchat
[06:16] <auk> anyway, i've had severe problems with backports
[06:16] <auk> i couldn't upgrade from warty to hoary
[06:16] <blank> wow guys i love you all my drivers work now
[06:16] <psusi> agent: man ipconfig
[06:16] <AngryParsley> yeah, my XP CD was scratched, so I went to the computer lab and burned an ubuntu CD
[06:17] <agent> psusi, are you sure its ipconfig? ifconfig and iwconfig i know about, but i dont remember ipconfig (also, no man page for ipconfig)
[06:17] <psusi> freeman_08: because samba is the server program that shares files in a way that windows boxesn can see it
[06:17] <AngryParsley> I'm impressed with the ease of use compared to other linux distros
[06:17] <psusi> oh damnit... that's right... it's ifconfig in linux... ;)
[06:17] <AngryParsley> heh
[06:17] <psusi> used to saying ipconfig
[06:18] <auk> regeya: any luck w/ that link?
[06:18] <agent> psusi, :)
[06:18] <freeman_08> do i really need to download it to see my ubuntu folders? isn't it included in my ubuntu 5.04 installer?
[06:18] <DansFloyd> hey, i installed dvd author... but for some reaon i get this error: "Cannot launch entry
[06:18] <DansFloyd> Details: Failed to execute child process "/usr/bin/qdvdauthor" (No such file or directory)" anyone know why? i used synaptic to install...
[06:19] <adrian_> what's that one other repository, the universe one
[06:19] <esac> Kubuntu comes with amaroK 1.2.3 .. breezy comes with 1.2.4 .. yet 1.3.1 is the newest. if i want the newest do i just have to install from source ?
[06:19] <freeman_08> do i really need to download samba to see my ubuntu folders? isn't it included in my ubuntu 5.04 installer?
[06:19] <nalioth> DansFloyd: seems "qdvdauthor" isnt present on your box
[06:19] <freeman_08> or NFS?
[06:19] <ojt> guys, what does these means? Errors were encountered while processing:
[06:19] <ojt>  /var/cache/apt/archives/libc6-dev_2.3.2.ds1-20ubuntu14_i386.deb
[06:19] <ojt> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[06:19] <SySiphus> is this a room where i might ask for help?
[06:19] <rob^> Fred|Fr3d, what are you trying to do?
[06:19] <adrian_> hey angry games
[06:19] <adrian_> i got my ati drivers to work
[06:19] <rob^> freeman_08, what are you trying to do?
[06:19] <angry_games> lol
[06:19] <adrian_> have you?
[06:19] <angry_games> no
[06:20] <adrian_> i'll help you tomorrow
[06:20] <angry_games> i gave up and installed a 6600GT instead
[06:20] <adrian_> what's your msn
[06:20] <adrian_> <---blank
[06:20] <freeman_08> i want to see my other computers at network
[06:20] <angry_games> zendiesel@hotmail.com
[06:20] <auk> SySiphus: read the topic :)
[06:20] <adrian_> add me, im not on my computer
[06:20] <DansFloyd> how do you get ati drivers to work>
[06:20] <adrian_> blankdev@gmail.com
[06:20] <DansFloyd> ?
[06:20] <freeman_08> just like network neighborhood in windows
[06:20] <angry_games> now i can't get 3d acceleration to work on my 6600GT
[06:20] <rob^> freeman_08, are they windows pcs?
[06:20] <adrian_> anyone that wants help on installing ati drivers, add me on msn blankdev@gmail.com i'll tell you tomorrow
[06:20] <adrian_> or email me
[06:20] <adrian_> either way
[06:20] <adrian_> c ya
[06:20] <freeman_08> i dont see any ubuntu computers working in my network places... using ubuntu also
[06:20] <SySiphus> ok so im not all that observant
[06:21] <angry_games> adrian_,  i just added you to my second msn that is running on this linux box
[06:21] <rob^> !samba
[06:21] <ubotu> it has been said that samba is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SettingUpSamba or https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently
[06:21] <rob^> freeman_08, check out the urls ubuntu just said
[06:21] <angry_games> when i first installed ubuntu 5.10 this time with a 6600GT...it wouldnt even run X server
[06:21] <rob^> ubotu that is
[06:21] <ubotu> rob^: Are you on ritalin?
[06:21] <SySiphus> could someone tell me what to do about the installation disk giving a strange error?
[06:21] <billytwowilly> well, my group's ubuntu installfest was a success. We did over 20 installs total. check out the pics here: http://members.shaw.ca/quilley/
[06:22] <freeman_08> *i need to see ubuntu - ubuntu... not ubuntu - windows
[06:22] <angry_games> corrupted screen...i fooled and fooled with it, and finally got the nvidia logo to come up and get to hte desktop...but now i cant get 3d acceleration to work just like last night
[06:22] <MIkee> hello
[06:22] <rob^> !nfs
[06:22] <rob^> ubotu tell freeman_08 about nfs
[06:22] <adrian_> okay angry_games, see ya tomorrow
[06:22] <adrian_> anyone know what the other repository is
[06:22] <rob^> ubotu tell freeman_08 about samba
[06:22] <Mikee> hello can anyone help me on how to install java?
[06:22] <angry_games> adrian_,  aight mang
[06:22] <rob^> freeman_08, they are your choices
[06:23] <esac> has anybody ever installed the terminus font ? i can't seem to get it to work
[06:23] <BlueEagle> !tell mikee about java
[06:23] <freeman_08> tnx bro
[06:23] <rob^> np
[06:23] <ashwani> Hi ALL
[06:23] <freeman_08> !samba
[06:23] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, samba is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SettingUpSamba or https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently
[06:23] <freeman_08> !NFS
[06:24] <carthik> hi ashwani
[06:24] <ashwani> do anybody knows how to make a normal user a sudo user
[06:24] <freeman_08> !nfs
[06:24] <ashwani> hello carthik
[06:24] <carthik> ashwani /etc/sudoers is the file you are looking for
[06:24] <ashwani> can you help me
[06:24] <carthik> have already :)
[06:24] <ashwani> ya, but what to edit there
[06:24] <tritium> ashwani, add that user to the admin group
[06:24] <angry_games> here's a question...i somehow got the Nvidia drivers installed...but STILL cannot get 3d acceleration to work
[06:24] <BlueEagle> ashwani: usermod -G admin,adm,audio,video,othergroupsetheuserismemberof username
[06:24] <justin-> is there no such thing a root password in ubuntu?
[06:24] <justin-> or for that matter, root account
[06:25] <bob2> that's not a question
[06:25] <bob2> justin-: /msg ubotu root
[06:25] <BlueEagle> ashwani: Note that there are no spaces between the comma and the next groupname
[06:25] <bob2> justin-: the installer did explain this...
[06:25] <SySiphus> i keep getting an error-- "isolinux: loading spec packet failed trying to wing it"  wtf does that mean??
[06:25] <freeman_08> rob... how can i get to NFS configuration
[06:25] <agent> psusi, okay... just so you know there does not seem to be a way to check gateway from ifconfig.... using netstat it gave me a gateway, but the "gateway" of my router, not AP... any other ideas?
[06:25] <ashwani> I am new to linux
[06:25] <carthik> ashwani, add hte users to the admin group which might be esier
[06:25] <ashwani> can you tell me step by step
[06:25] <ashwani> ok, let me try this
[06:25] <psusi> agent: ohh, you have a seperate AP and router?  not one of those combo jobs?
[06:26] <psusi> what kind of AP is this?
[06:26] <rob^> freeman_08, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NFSClientHowTo and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NFSServerHowTo
[06:26] <agent> psusi, that is correct... two seperate... ap is linksys wap11 v2.6... basically i want to configure it using ap-config
[06:26] <psusi> you might look up its default address in the manufacturer's specs
[06:26] <BlueEagle> ~a
[06:27] <BlueEagle> agent: try looking in /etc/resolv.conf
[06:27] <psusi> iirc, linksys defaults to 192.168.1.250
[06:27] <esac> amarok calls for libz, anybody know what i install to get that ?
[06:27] <bob2> esac: amarok is in ubuntu already
[06:27] <rob^> ubotu no nfs is see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NFSClientHowTo and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NFSServerHowTo for information on installing and configuring NFS.
[06:27] <ubotu> okay, rob^
[06:27] <agent> psusi, yeah... i looked up the ip in the manual and its not it... (192.168.2.251)
[06:27] <esac> bob2 : 1.2.3 is .. 1.3.1 is the latest
[06:27] <SySiphus> can someone help me please?
[06:27] <ojt> guys
[06:27] <psusi> whoa... that's weird
[06:27] <carthik> ashwani, do $man adduser an read it to find out how to add a user to a group and then add the user to the admin group
[06:28] <auk> SySiphus: just ask, don't "ask to ask"
[06:28] <ojt> whats these errors:
[06:28] <agent> BlueEagle, nope.... has by router ip not ap
[06:28] <ojt> Unpacking replacement libc6-dev ...
[06:28] <ojt> dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/libc6-dev_2.3.2.ds1-20ubuntu14_i386.deb (--unpack):
[06:28] <ojt>  corrupted filesystem tarfile - corrupted package archive: Success
[06:28] <ojt> dpkg-deb: subprocess paste killed by signal (Broken pipe)
[06:28] <ojt> Errors were encountered while processing:
[06:28] <ojt>  /var/cache/apt/archives/libc6-dev_2.3.2.ds1-20ubuntu14_i386.deb
[06:28] <SySiphus> i already did
[06:28] <ojt> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[06:28] <carthik> ojt, dont paste here!!
[06:28] <SySiphus> noone answered
[06:28] <bob2> ojt: do. not. crapflood.
[06:28] <psusi> being that it's .2.251 it wouldn't even be accessible for most people using 192.168.0.0/24
[06:28] <carthik> SySiphus, repeat the problem/question
[06:28] <ojt> ow sorry
[06:28] <bob2> ojt: also, that error explained the problem
[06:28] <SySiphus> i keep getting an error-- "isolinux: loading spec packet failed trying to wing it"  wtf does that mean??
[06:28] <justin-> okay, i understand sudo know, to be honest, i tried 3 different distros today, so by the time i got to ubuntu, i didnt read anything in the installation
[06:28] <ashwani> thanks yaar, let me try these
[06:28] <angry_games> anyone can help me get my 6600GT to do 3d acceleration?
[06:28] <psusi> err, 192.168.1.0/24 ;)
[06:28] <carthik> SySiphus but hwat are you trying to do?
[06:28] <auk> SySiphus: oh sorry, i see it now
[06:28] <SySiphus> i get the error when i try to boot from the install disk
[06:28] <bob2> ojt: also, why are you touching libc6-dev?
[06:28] <angry_games> justin-, ive tried a few and Ubuntu is the best so far
[06:29] <bob2> esac: sudo apt-get build-dep amarok
[06:29] <angry_games> and im NOT a linux guy at all
[06:29] <bob2> !+info amarok breezy
[06:29] <ubotu> amarok: (versatile and easy to use audio player for KDE), section kde, is optional. Version: 2:1.2.4-0ubuntu4 (breezy), Packaged size: 5727 kB, Installed size: 11292 kB
[06:29] <justin-> neither am i
[06:29] <SySiphus> it starts to boot from cd then gives me that
[06:29] <BlueEagle> agent: Well, it has got the gateway ip the dhcp server gave you. If you don't want to have the router give you a gateway ip or want it to give you a different gateway ip then you need to configure the dhcp server of the router.
[06:29] <justin-> very sleek looking, which is very inviting for a new linux user
[06:29] <ojt> bob2,what is libc6-dev?
[06:29] <esac> bob2 : thanks
[06:29] <auk> !+info mozilla-firefox breezy
[06:29] <ubotu> mozilla-firefox: (dummy transitional package), section universe/devel, is optional. Version: 1.0.6-1ubuntu12 (breezy), Packaged size: 35 kB, Installed size: 84 kB
[06:29] <bob2> ojt: the package you're breaking
[06:29] <bob2> ojt: what did you do to get that error?
[06:29] <tga> ojt, apt-cache show libc6-dev
[06:29] <SySiphus> a couple of seconds later it says... "isolinux: Failed to locate C-ROM dvice: boot failed"
[06:30] <auk> well poofy
[06:30] <agent> psusi, damn... forgot about that (am using 192.168.1.0/24!!
[06:30] <ojt> bob2, i typed in apt-get upgrade
[06:30] <psusi> are you quite sure it isn't 192.168.1.250 or .251?
[06:30] <BlueEagle> sysiphus: Did you check the md5sum of the iso image before burning it?
[06:30] <SySiphus> i have been away from linux for about 3 yrs now so i am totallyl lost
[06:30] <SySiphus> BlueEagle: yes it is fine
[06:30] <tga> 1.3.3.0/24 makes for better addresses
[06:31] <ojt> what can i do to fix this erors?
[06:31] <psusi> if it really is .2.251 then you will need to expand the interface to /23, or manually add a route to .2.0/24 to your route table
[06:31] <esac> bob2 : after i build amarok is there a way to remove those build-dep's ?
[06:31] <bob2> ojt: try again
[06:31] <bob2> esac: write them down
[06:31] <agent> psusi, well, not 100% sure but ap-config cannot find an ap on any of those ip addresses
[06:31] <ojt> okz
[06:31] <BlueEagle> sysiphus: What kind of CD-rom drive have you got? Which bus is it on and which chip is controlling the bus? Also are you installing hoary or breezy?
[06:31] <psusi> agent: try ping
[06:31] <tga> SySiphus, you shouldn't be, none of the basics have changed
[06:32] <`helix> is breezy still broke?
[06:32] <esac> bob2 : nice, very nice. i should file a bug against apt
[06:32] <ojt> bob2, why i cant run firefox web browser?
[06:32] <psusi> otherwise, use ifconfig to set the netmask to be /23 and then see if you can ping it
[06:32] <BlueEagle> sysiphus: The fact that it has got trouble loading a packet indicates a bad .iso image or bad burn.
[06:32] <tritium> esac, why do you think that's a bug?
[06:32] <ojt> bob2, even in terminal?
[06:32] <SySiphus> Blue eagle: i have tried 3 different ones. one is a lit on ones is an old hp
[06:32] <SDFH_Linux> how do i upgrade from hoary to breezy
[06:32] <SySiphus> and i bel;ieve the other is  a sony
[06:32] <SDFH_Linux> including the backports repos?
[06:33] <carthik> SDFH_Linux, read the breezy upgrade notes at the wiki searching will help
[06:33] <esac> tritium : if you install the dependencies JUST to build something, most likely you will want to remove them afterwards, wouldn't you think ?
[06:33] <BlueEagle> sysiphus: IDE/ATAPI drives?
[06:33] <bob2> ojt: I don't know what "cant run" means
[06:33] <SDFH_Linux> k
[06:33] <tritium> esac, so remove them
[06:33] <bob2> esac: hmm, it's more aptitude's fault than apt's
[06:33] <SySiphus> ide
[06:33] <bob2> SDFH_Linux: get rid of backports before you upgrade
[06:33] <BlueEagle> sysiphus: Which IDE chipset have you got?
[06:33] <bob2> SDFH_Linux: wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyUpgradeNotes
[06:34] <ojt> bob2, i mean my firefox webbrowser wont works
[06:34] <SySiphus> Blue: i have no idea
[06:34] <ar1f_pr1atna> fgfg
[06:34] <BlueEagle> sysiphus: Which motherboard have you got?
[06:34] <agent> psusi, no workie with ping... manual says ip should be 192.168.251 :/
[06:34] <bob2> ojt: I still don't know what you mean.  does it not run? kick you in the face? print an error?
[06:34] <ar1f_pr1atna> hello everybody
[06:34] <SySiphus> Blue: its an old dell mobo that i got out of someones basement
[06:35] <ar1f_pr1atna> Mmmm... oh yeah??
[06:35] <BlueEagle> sysiphus: how far into the install process do you get? Do you get the select lanugage dialog at all or are you not even getting that?
[06:35] <SySiphus> Blue: could the age of the parts have anything to do with it... i mean drivers not being on the cd because the parts are outdated?
[06:35] <BlueEagle> !autocomplete
[06:35] <ubotu> BlueEagle: Bugger all, i dunno
[06:35] <ar1f_pr1atna> hey is anybody out there??
[06:35] <BlueEagle> !nickcomplete
[06:35] <ubotu> Bugger all, i dunno, BlueEagle
[06:35] <freeman_08> where can i do the configurations?
[06:36] <auk> regeya: ping
[06:36] <cafuego_> SySiphus: That would be extremely unlikely, unless it's a 486.
[06:36] <SySiphus> Blue: hangs on boot ffrom cd
[06:36] <regeya> auk, I forgot.  oopse.
[06:36] <SySiphus> PPro 200
[06:36] <auk> regeya: :)
[06:36] <ar1f_pr1atna> hey did you hear me
[06:36] <ojt> bob2, yup, i can click the icon but it does not execute
[06:36] <cafuego_> Probably piix4 then.
[06:36] <auk> regeya: np, nvm then
[06:36] <ohphracku> whasszz upp!
[06:36] <ohphracku> ;-P
[06:36] <regeya> k auk, sorry
[06:36] <bob2> ojt: and when you run it fro ma terminal...
[06:36] <cafuego_> *maybe* piix3, but that ought to still work fine.
[06:37] <regeya> ohphracku, the ot police will get you, that's 2 lines of ot!
[06:37] <freeman_08> where can i do the configurations like "/etc/....
[06:37] <ar1f_pr1atna> f**k you b**ch
[06:37] <esac> is there a logfile for apt so i can remove those deps ?
[06:37] <BlueEagle> sysiphus: I doubt it, however it is a possibillity. The .iso is <650 mb, so even legacy hardware should boot it. Not familiar with dell mobos, so I've go no idea which chipset it's got and wether or not there's an issue with it.
[06:37] <ohphracku> ot?
[06:37] <bob2> esac: no
[06:37] <cafuego_> ohphracku: sky, still up.
[06:37] <ohphracku> wha??
[06:37] <bob2> esac: apt-get is not intended for end-user use, it was a sample app for libapt. aptitude has all these features (/var/log/aptitude)
[06:37] <BlueEagle> sysiphus: Still, unless you've checked the md5sum of the cd I would think that it's the crulpit.
[06:38] <SDFH_Linux> are there breezy backport repos yet?
[06:38] <ojt> bob2, nothing happens
[06:38] <cafuego_> esac: aptitude writes a lot. Easiest way to remove now would be 'debfoster'.
[06:38] <bob2> I hope not
[06:38] <FR500> hi
[06:38] <bob2> ojt: nothing at all?
[06:38] <ojt> bob2,but i can run it in console
[06:38] <cafuego_> SDFH_Linux: Nope, manual job.
[06:38] <bob2> ojt: nevermind then
[06:38] <ojt> bob2,yup
[06:38] <SySiphus> BlueEagle: could it be scince it was burnt on a 700mb disk even though ther image is small emnough?
[06:38] <bob2> SDFH_Linux: how could there be a backport repository? there's nothing newer than breezy for them to crib from
[06:39] <esac> debfoster .. now there is a politically correct name
[06:39] <FR500> i have a folder set to 700 permissions so noone else than me has access, but when i try to mount it in another pc i can't access either, what can i do?
[06:39] <BlueEagle> sdfh_linux: Afaik a "backport" repository is a repository containing newer versions of applications included in the dirstro. Since the distro hasn't been released yet I would doubt that any programs have been backported yet.
[06:39] <regeya> lol
[06:39] <SySiphus> ^scince^since
[06:39] <auk> bob2: define 'end-user'
[06:39] <FR500> it's shared via samba
[06:39] <bob2> auk: "people who don't develop apt-get"
[06:39] <BlueEagle> sysiphus: I am not sure.
[06:39] <SDFH_Linux> is it safe to upgrade to breezy?
[06:39] <regeya> ohphracku, I could tell you but it's ot ;-)
[06:39] <auk> bob2: :(
[06:39] <bob2> auk: ?
[06:39] <SySiphus> BlueEagle: i have check the cd iand it is good
[06:39] <auk> i like using apt-get
[06:40] <ohphracku> is there anyway we can adjust the fan speed on a laptop, bios settings suck. :-[
[06:40] <tga> mm, the polymer qt theme makes qt apps look nice in gnome
[06:40] <bob2> auk: then go for it, but don't complain if it's missing features
[06:40] <ohphracku> ok regeya
[06:40] <ohphracku> ;] 
[06:40] <bob2> auk: aptitude is almost a drop in replacement, anyway
[06:40] <cafuego_> ohphracku: Probably not without a small stick.
[06:40] <BlueEagle> sysiphus: How did you check it?
[06:40] <auk> bob2: i wasn't complaining.
[06:40] <SySiphus> BlueEagle: fastsum
[06:40] <esac> ive always been told to use apt-get, i didn't even know about aptitute (well i did, i just thought that aptitude==apt)
[06:40] <ojt> bob2, i got a warning
[06:40] <auk> "pat-get is sweet sweet jelly on toast"
[06:40] <auk> *pat-get = apt-get
[06:40] <ojt> bob2, (firefox-bin:10633): Gdk-WARNING **: locale not supported by Xlib
[06:41] <SDFH_Linux> is it safe to upgrade to breezy?
[06:41] <da_bon_bon> SDFH_Linux: wait for a few weeks
[06:41] <SySiphus> BlueEagle: i also found on google that some people were having this problem with slack back in like 2002 and someone said to switch out the version of isolinux
[06:42] <bob2> SDFH_Linux: do you care about binary drivers or suspend-to-disk?
[06:42] <SDFH_Linux> no
[06:42] <bob2> SDFH_Linux: then go for it, and file bugs if you have issues
[06:43] <SDFH_Linux> when is breezy expected to go final?
[06:43] <bob2> october
[06:43] <BlueEagle> sysiphus: Well, it might be that the version of isolinux used with the image has got some compatibility issues. First I've heard of it, but if it's not bug-reported I would recomend getting the name of the mobo and reporting it as a bug.
[06:43] <FR500> i have a folder set to 700 permissions so noone else than me has access, but when i try to mount it in another pc i can't access either, what can i do? it's shared via samba,
[06:43] <regeya> auk, can't find it, but the general idea is that you have this group of what's supposed to be stable packages, then you only release bug/security fixes during the release cycle, so as to not break anything during the stable release's lifespan.
[06:44] <BlueEagle> sysiphus: Also there is an alternative method of installing from a floppy and d/l-ing all packages. Not sure where I saw that guide though.
[06:44] <SySiphus> BlueEagle: sounds good, you sjust answred my next q
[06:44] <auk> regeya: seems liek much mroe work to work security patches in than to just update that package
[06:44] <BlueEagle> sysiphus: Are you installing breezy or hoary?
[06:45] <bob2> auk: except updating the package can randomoly break things
[06:45] <bob2> auk: e.g. new versions of firefox break old extensions
[06:45] <SySiphus> is there a place jsut to dl the floppy images?
[06:45] <bob2> SySiphus: don't believe they exist
[06:45] <SySiphus> BlueEagle: not sure what ever was avail for dl yesterday
[06:45] <SySiphus> poo
[06:45] <regeya> auk, my thoughts too, but I used to run distros like gentoo, so I can't fully agree ;)  true, with a decent ports-like system with good backwards deps it wouldn't be a big issue but hey, i'm getting into rough flame-worthy territory here so I'll just stop. ;)
[06:46] <BlueEagle> sysiphus: Breezy has been avail for d/l for a while, but it's still preview software.
[06:46] <BlueEagle> sysiphus: Hoary is the lastest stable.
[06:46] <auk> bob2: yes, but doesn't working in the security stuff break even more things, because that code is nto meant to be taken out?
[06:46] <SySiphus> thats the one then
[06:46] <SySiphus> breezy that is
[06:46] <bob2> auk: not usually
[06:46] <bob2> mozilla stuff is about the only case where that happens
[06:46] <auk> regeya: i'm not trying for flames, i'm just trying to understand...just doesn't make sense to me
[06:46] <bob2> since they don't actually make security patches available
[06:46] <SySiphus> BlueEagle: should i try hoary instead?
[06:46] <lxuser> hi
[06:47] <lxuser> hi
[06:47] <BlueEagle> sysiphus: Well, it is the latest stable, however I do not know if they have changed isolinux on the install cd from hoary to breezy.
[06:47] <BlueEagle> bob2: do you know?
[06:47] <auk> bob2: i'll take your word for it, that it doesn't usually
[06:47] <SySiphus> BlueEagle: it would be in the realse notes wouldnt it?
[06:48] <da_bon_bon> is there any milestone between a preview release and a final release
[06:48] <SySiphus> BlueEagle: ill find it somewhere
[06:48] <BlueEagle> sysiphus: Well, since it's such low-level and not really a part of the end-installation I don't think so.
[06:48] <alexandros> can someone pleasse tell if backports are up?
[06:48] <bob2> da_bon_bon: another colony release
[06:48] <bob2> alexandros: ask on the forums (no)
[06:48] <bob2> BlueEagle: no
[06:48] <BlueEagle> sysiphus: As a developer that's something I would think as irrelevant to include.  :)
[06:48] <lonasindi> i have a question about the latest release of ubuntu
[06:48] <BlueEagle> bob2: no you don't know or no they haven't changed it?
[06:49] <esac> how do i add sommething to the PATH
[06:49] <da_bon_bon> bob2: but .. the colony release .. whats the point ?
[06:49] <lonasindi> namely, does it support 802.1x authentication out of the box or am I going to have to find an application for that?
[06:49] <da_bon_bon> between preview and final, do software versions change, bob2 ?
[06:49] <bob2> BlueEagle: I don't know
[06:49] <Dr_Willis> export PATH=$PATH:new/place/to/add
[06:49] <bob2> da_bon_bon: to test again
[06:49] <BlueEagle> bob2: k thx.
[06:49] <bob2> da_bon_bon: yes, every day new things get uploaded
[06:49] <Dr_Willis> esac,  thats normally how. I think.
[06:49] <SySiphus> BlueEagle: well thanks for all the help
[06:49] <bob2> lonasindi: define "802.1x authentication"
[06:49] <alexandros> bob2: Thanks
[06:49] <auk> esac: echo PATH = $PATH:<blah>
[06:49] <da_bon_bon> bob2: ok..
[06:49] <bob2> lonasindi: wep is pretty trivial to get going
[06:49] <BlueEagle> sysiphus: no problem. :)
[06:50] <lonasindi> bob2: not wep
[06:50] <bob2> lonasindi: wpa is less so
[06:50] <lxuser> hello world...
[06:50] <lonasindi> bob2: 802.1x is a wired network port-based authentication standard
[06:50] <lxuser> im here..........
[06:50] <auk> err...what Dr_Willis said
[06:50] <SDFH_Linux> thanks for the help guys
[06:50] <Dr_Willis> auk,  :P
[06:50] <lxuser> wiil anyone here want to entertain me.........
[06:50] <bob2> lonasindi: oh, duh me, sorry
[06:50] <auk> echo, export, too much alliteration
[06:51] <auk> adn then there's those spaces bafore/after the '='
[06:51] <kevin06> Anyone have any thoughts on what the Adobe buyout of Macromedia will mean for us OSS peeps?
[06:51] <auk> *before
[06:51] <auk> kevin06: suckier flash, i smy bet ;)
[06:51] <bob2> kevin06: both of them continuing to provide low-quality unmaintained binary-only software
[06:52] <eyequeue> is there a common reason why usplash appears to do nothing on my laptop?
[06:52] <bill_> I'm still trying to figure out Ubuntu
[06:52] <regeya> I wonder how hard the gnomebaker dev would have to work to get the default action on "OK" "Cancel" dialogs to be "OK".  The only thing more irritating than being prompted twice in a diskcopy is to hit "Enter" and wonder WTF happened to the disk-burning half of the process. :)
[06:52] <bill_> and Java on it
[06:53] <Dr_Willis> regeya,  lol...
[06:53] <Dr_Willis> or at least double check and ask again.
[06:53] <lxuser> hi hello anyone here want to entertanin me??////
[06:53] <lonasindi> no ideas on 802.1x then?
[06:53] <Dr_Willis> moo
[06:53] <bob2> lxuser: this is a channel for ubuntu support
[06:53] <FR500> i have a folder set to 700 permissions so noone else than me has access, but when i try to mount it in another pc i can't access either, what can i do? it's shared via samba,
[06:53] <regeya> not even that.  even better:  detect that there's media in there.  other programs can do it.  don't irritate me with two separate #$%!ing dialog boxes.
[06:54] <bob2> lonasindi: nothing appears to be in ubuntu, and wikipedia doesn't even know what it is
[06:54] <regeya> oh, wait, I use irc, I'm not a typical user.  nevermind.
[06:54] <Dr_Willis> FR500,  samba has its own methods of setting the permissions.
[06:54] <lonasindi> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/802.1x
[06:54] <Dr_Willis> FR500,  this being shared to a windows or linux machine?
[06:54] <FR500> Dr_Willis: in both cases
[06:55] <FR500> wont work
[06:55] <tga> *sigh* Scribus is a sorry excuse for a DTP app
[06:55] <regeya> tga: I'd disagree but I can't.  what's your particular gripe, though?
[06:55] <Dr_Willis> FR500,  if using linux to linux - you may want to use nfs, OR you could just say heck with samba and use some form of ssh. or scp.
[06:55] <Dr_Willis> FR500,  the main issue is with how samba sets permissions however.
[06:56] <FR500> Dr_Willis: setting up ldap or something would allow me to do it?
[06:56] <regeya> tga: or you just don't like it in general?  that's understandable too.
[06:56] <Dr_Willis> FR500,  not sure - never used ldap
[06:56] <tga> regeya, the interface mostly.. I select something, hit ctrl+b to make it bold and the line disappears..
[06:56] <jmark> anybody know why unbuntuguide.org doesn't seem to be up any longer?
[06:56] <Dr_Willis> FR500,   you can set a samba share where only 1 person has access - no need to use the 700 permission
[06:56] <tga> regeya, just to use an example
[06:57] <FR500> Dr_Willis: there are other shared folders for other users
[06:57] <regeya> tga, I'll take your word for it; the WYSIWYG way of setting text sucks in Scribus so I always use the story editor.
[06:58] <bill_> how the heck do I get Java to work with Ubuntu 5.04?  Can anyone help me?  I have a WindowsME machine and I just added Ubuntu to it...I have java on Windows, but not on Ubuntu.  I like to play Poppit on Pogo.com, and cant now unless I reboot into Windows
[06:58] <Dr_Willis> !java
[06:58] <ubotu> hmm... java is to install Java please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java
[06:58] <lonasindi> alright. looks lik ubuntu is out.
[06:58] <lonasindi> laterz
[06:58] <Dr_Willis> rember - check the wikis :P
[06:58] <carthik> jmark, use the mirror of the guide...
[06:58] <tga> regeya, a dtp app with a crappy wysiwyg text editor kinda sucks, don't you think?
[06:58] <jmark> carthik: where is that?
[06:59] <jakelo> I'm having an issue with upgrading a system from debian to ubuntu breezy, apt-get attempts and fails at removing x-common.  Anyone know how I can fix this?
[06:59] <bill_> will that link get java on my system?  I went to java.com and was unable to download
[06:59] <jakelo> debian sarge that is.
[06:59] <regeya> tga, well, hell, I have to use an old version of QuarkXPress (4.11) for a living, so Scribus isn't that much more painful! *wink*
[07:00] <cafuego_> jakelo: Yes, don't "upgrade"
[07:00] <eyequeue> how do i work around this error at boot?  it is the first thing on the screen and appears to be preventing usplash from working here? (2-line error paste follows)
[07:00] <eyequeue> [4294669.125000]  8139cp: pci dev 0000:02:08.0 (id 10ec:8139 rev 10) is not an 8139C+ compatible chip
[07:00] <eyequeue> [4294669.125000]  8139cp: Try the "8139too" driver instead.
[07:00] <bill_> I am new to Ubuntu and Linux, but just about an expert in Windows.  Wiki's?
[07:00] <tga> you have my sympathy regeya, I was only trying to craft a resume and I'm already annoyed
[07:00] <eyequeue> !wiki
[07:00] <Dr_Willis> eyequeue,  i see that error also.. and my card works fine.
[07:00] <cafuego_> jakelo: Alternatuively, remove any packages that are causing issues, then cross-upgrade, then reinstall them.
[07:01] <Dr_Willis> eyequeue,  and to get the splash from shown i use some option in the grub menus to make it a normal console boot.
[07:01] <locomorto> !list ops
[07:01] <ubotu> locomorto: I don't know, could you explain it?
[07:01] <cafuego_> eyequeue: add 8139cp to the hotplug blacklist
[07:01] <regeya> tga:  I suggest using the story editor and defining styles from there.  it will be less painful.  if you're crafting a resume, though, I suggest just using oowriter.
[07:01] <locomorto> !ops
[07:01] <ubotu> rumour has it, ops is Help! seb128, bob2, fabbione, lamont, thom, Keybuk, fooishbar, jdub, mdz, Amaranth, tritium, ajmich, crimsun, ogra, CarlK, Seveas, Burgundavia, apokryphos, thoreauputic, and Nalioth
[07:01] <volvoguy> ok. last plea for the night. does anyone know about recovering data from a drive whos (ext3) partition table got corrupted or deleted?
[07:01] <tritium> hi locomorto
[07:01] <nalioth> locomorto: what did you need?
[07:01] <eyequeue> Dr_Willis:  i want to suppress the error, so thar the usplash package in breezy works (i already have a splashscreen in grub, thanks :) )
[07:02] <cafuego_> volvoguy: There's a tool that scans the disk for partition boundaries and files... I forget its name, though.
[07:02] <eyequeue> cafuego:  thanks
[07:02] <bill_> can anyone help me?
[07:02] <locomorto> Nono, I'm right thank you, just checking something
[07:02] <Dr_Willis> eyequeue,  - i REMOVED the splash. :P it was Ugly.
[07:02] <volvoguy> cafuego, gpart? didn't find anything.
[07:02] <benplaut> locomorto who cried wolf!
[07:02] <bill_> am I visible?
[07:02] <benplaut> bill_: no
[07:02] <locomorto> bill_ no your invisble
[07:02] <volvoguy> i'm even open to commercial software to recover my data if anyone knows of some.
[07:02] <cafuego_> volvoguy: Then you're probably out of luck.
[07:03] <locomorto> bill_: we can't hear you
[07:03] <bill_> thanks ben...
[07:03] <cafuego_> volvoguy: maybe a commercial data recovery service..?
[07:03] <bill_> at least I know my messeges are getting out
[07:03] <cafuego_> bill_: We can only see what you type, not you.
[07:03] <bill_> hopefully someone will be able to help me
[07:04] <cafuego_> Not if you don't ask your question.
[07:04] <volvoguy> cafuego, there's a link on ubuntuforums for "Nucleus Technologies". ever heard of them? $50 to supposedly do what i need done.
[07:04] <locomorto> bill_: whats your problem?
[07:04] <bob2> locomorto: what?
[07:04] <cafuego_> Oh, the java?
[07:04] <bob2> locomorto: please don't do that unless there's an actual emergency
[07:04] <cafuego_> bill_: Go to java.sun.com (Follow the link on the wiki page) and the download jre1.5sun.....bin (NOT the .rpm.bin) file.
[07:05] <esac> how do i switch from KDE to GNOME ?
[07:05] <locomorto> cafuego_: the wiki page was been reworked
[07:05] <locomorto> esac: sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[07:05] <bill_> thank you, trying to load Java on a windows machine that I loaded Ubuntu on.  System cant find /usr/sbin/lpc
[07:05] <Dr_Willis> esac,  install the ubuntu-desktop then at the GDM login - select kde from the menus
[07:05] <cafuego_> What does lpc have to do with Java?
[07:06] <bill_> I like to play games at pogo.com and cant without Java
[07:06] <tritium> locomorto, you didnt' tell us why you did that...
[07:06] <Marxist> bill_ hold on i got the right doc for you
[07:06] <bill_> I don't know, but that is the file that I was told I was missing when I tried to troubleshoot it
[07:06] <bob2> bill_: the fact you're using windows has nothing to do with this issue
[07:07] <bill_> ok bob2...do you have an idea as to what I can do to fix the problem?
[07:07] <DansFloyd> how do i access my windows partition? :)
[07:07] <bob2> by reading the documentation you've been pointed at?
[07:07] <bob2> DansFloyd: /msg ubotu ntfs
[07:08] <Marxist> omg they took ubuntuguide.org off the ent?
[07:08] <Marxist> net*
[07:08] <bob2> omg
[07:08] <bill_> where is it?
[07:08] <nomad1> hey i was just wondering how do u log into ubuntu using root login
[07:08] <nomad1> cant do that on the login screen
[07:09] <bob2> nomad1: why would you want to do that?
[07:09] <bill_> I am trying not to be confused, but I have gone to a lot of different webaddressess and not found any info
[07:09] <nomad1> so i can mount partitioms
[07:09] <FR500> nomad1: you can mount from the console
[07:09] <bob2> nomad1: which does not require logging into gnome as root
[07:09] <trigger_ph> bob2: i got mplayer and only got to try it out on the CLI..how is the GUI made?
[07:09] <bob2> nomad1: login as your normal user
[07:09] <nomad1> how
[07:10] <bob2> trigger_ph: gmplayer, I guess
[07:10] <bob2> it always seemed pretty useless to me
[07:10] <nomad1> i cant find a good help site for ubuntu
[07:10] <jakelo> If anyone is interested I think I fixed my issues with debian sarge to ubuntu.  I swapped the source.list files adn ran apt-get -f install and it seemts to be continuing the install
[07:10] <Dr_Willis> ubuntu wiki and forums are the key.
[07:10] <jblack> Just wanted to let you guys know that I got a specific request from a certain 11 year old that she have ubuntu on her laptop instead of "that broken windows stuff"
[07:10] <Marxist> How to install J2SE Runtime Environment (JRE) with Plug-in for Mozilla Firefox?
[07:10] <Marxist>    1. Read General Notes
[07:10] <Marxist>    2. Read How to add extra repositories?
[07:10] <Marxist>    3.
[07:10] <Marxist> sudo apt-get install sun-j2re1.5
[07:10] <Marxist> java -version
[07:10] <Marxist>    4. Restart Mozilla Firefox
[07:10] <Marxist> do that bill_
[07:10] <jakelo> looks like ubuntu sources being installed.
[07:10] <tritium> Marxist, please don't paste
[07:10] <Marxist> sorry
[07:10] <Madpilot> jblack: that's cool - smart kid! ;)
[07:11] <bob2> jblack: haha
[07:11] <locomorto> Marxist: I'm fairly sure 1.5 was moved out of the repos
[07:11] <bill_> I have firefox
[07:11] <trigger_ph> bob2: ah so mplayer is meant to run on a terminal? that's fine with me
[07:11] <nomad1> bob2, how do u mount from terminal
[07:11] <bob2> nomad1: /msg ubotu ntfs
[07:11] <locomorto> nomad1: mount <device> <mount point> <commands>
[07:11] <Marxist> why?
[07:12] <locomorto> Marxist: legal issues
[07:12] <nomad1> but locomorto i need still need to kno how set permissions and stuff for my folders
[07:12] <bob2> bill_: http://therning.org/magnus/archives/63
[07:12] <bob2> nomad1: so, read what the bot said
[07:12] <nomad1> i didnt get anything from the bot
[07:13] <Marxist> alright that is bullshit, I'm tired of deb systems having to take off needed programs to honor legal problems
[07:13] <locomorto> nomad1: check your other windows/tabs
[07:13] <nomad1> lol none
[07:13] <gloc_nine> u
[07:13] <carthik> jmark, the mirror is at http://www.frankandjacq.com/ubuntuguide/5.04/ if you havent found it already
[07:13] <AngryParsley> yeah, why is it so damn hard to get the java plugin working in firefox?
[07:13] <locomorto> !tell nomad1 ntfs
[07:14] <bob2> nomad1: then try again
[07:14] <bill_> thanks everyone who responded...I will try all...I hope that next time I chat with you I have the answers and can help someone else.
[07:14] <locomorto> !tell me ntfs
[07:14] <tritium> locomorto, what were you checking exactly, regarding ops?
[07:14] <nomad1> !tell me ntfs
[07:14] <nomad1> so i cant login as root
[07:14] <nalioth> ubuntuguide is mirrored?
[07:14] <nomad1> on the login screen
[07:14] <ashwani> thanks   CARTHIK and other friends
[07:15] <carthik> nalioth, yes
[07:15] <carthik> ashwani, anytime
[07:15] <ashwani> I have successfully added sudo users
[07:15] <bob2> nomad1: correct
[07:15] <nomad1> how do i sign my current login owner status
[07:15] <AngryParsley> ok, so I've read like 10 ways to install the java plugin for firefox, and I've tried a few and they don't work
[07:15] <carthik> nalioth, i searched for google cache and got the url of the mirror
[07:15] <bob2> nomad1: it's possible to change that, but there's no reason to
[07:15] <Marxist> is anyone is not going to then i will, ubuntuguide was kickass quick solutions to get what i needed on here
[07:15] <Dr_Willis> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java?action=show&redirect=AddingJavaSupport
[07:15] <bob2> nomad1: you don't...
[07:15] <ashwani> hey carthik can you help me in one more matter
[07:15] <nomad1> lol
[07:15] <nomad1> then i cant change permisssions
[07:15] <carthik> ashwani, shoot
[07:15] <nomad1> on folders
[07:15] <bob2> nomad1: sure you can
[07:15] <AngryParsley> I'm using breezy, so a lot of the stuff doesn't apply
[07:15] <bob2> nomad1: also, you will very very rarely be touching things outside of your home dir
[07:16] <bob2> nomad1: what specific folder are you trying to change the permissions of?
[07:16] <carthik> ashwani, so what is it?
[07:16] <volvoguy> i'd like to add to jblack's success story by saying that i *easily* converted a slackware user since version 1 to ubuntu this week. he'll have ubuntu on all his machines by the weekend. :)
[07:16] <odat> k
[07:16] <nomad1> well i created two folders on my desktop
[07:16] <trigger_ph> brb
[07:16] <ashwani> carthik - one of the senior person in my organisatoin was sudo user
[07:16] <nomad1> C:\ and D:\
[07:16] <Dr_Willis> AngryParsley,  - Hmmm i am using breezy.., and i THINK all i did was use the 'add new applications' menu item. clicked on a few things and it even added Multiverse and isntalled java... let me check...
[07:16] <Dr_Willis> brb
[07:16] <nomad1> to mount my ntfs partitions into them
[07:16] <derk> hi
[07:16] <ashwani> but today his user id was not in admin group
[07:16] <nomad1> they got a lock icon onthem
[07:16] <ashwani> is there any way i can trace who had done this
[07:17] <AngryParsley> no I have java installed
[07:17] <AngryParsley> I can run java stuff
[07:17] <ashwani> who had removed his from admin and other groups
[07:17] <bob2> nomad1: they're just regular folders?
[07:17] <AngryParsley> but the plugin for firefox isn't working
[07:17] <nomad1> yeo
[07:17] <carthik> ashwani, i wouldnt know how, sorry :(
[07:17] <nomad1> yep*
[07:17] <Marxist> lol ubuntu has more users than freebsd's channel
[07:17] <nalioth> AngryParsley: what arch?
[07:17] <keith-> AngryParsley: what plugin for firefox?
[07:17] <AngryParsley> nalioth: x86
[07:17] <keith-> my flash plugin hangs like a bitch now
[07:17] <SuperQ> Marxist: uh.. slackware has more users than freeBSD
[07:17] <carthik> ashwani, anyone with privileges
[07:17] <bob2> nomad1: then show us the output of "ls -l ~/Desktop" in #flood
[07:17] <AngryParsley> flash works fine, but java is a no-go
[07:17] <odat> anyone have any experience with samba?
[07:18] <Marxist> SuperQ, im sure that's nice, but i never denied that
[07:18] <ashwani> carthik:  there are lots of sudo users, how should I trace who has done it or if the server was hacked
[07:18] <AngryParsley> keith-: umm... the java one?
[07:18] <keith-> anyone else had problems with flash hanging?  also, flash audio doesn't always work for me... it is trying to open /dev/mixer1 which doesn't exist...
[07:18] <odat> bob2: sup man
[07:18] <yhann> Hi guys, how can I test my modem?
[07:18] <nalioth> AngryParsley: hoary or breezy?
[07:18] <bob2> odat: lots of people, best to just ask your problem
[07:18] <AngryParsley> breezy
[07:18] <keith-> AngryParsley: k.  well i just got here... i'm trying to catch up.
[07:18] <AngryParsley> oh
[07:18] <nalioth> AngryParsley: custom java ubuntu debs here http://giannaros.org/tor/bt/
[07:18] <bob2> keith-: sudo modprobe snd_mixer_oss ; pkill esd, try again
[07:18] <highvoltage> SuperQ: any figures to back that up? (i'm not arguing, i'd just like to see them for future reference)
[07:18] <AngryParsley> nalioth: sweeeet
[07:19] <ashwani> please tell
[07:19] <odat> well i can currently acces my xp machine from ubuntu and can see my unbuntu machine on xp but can not access anything from my ubuntu box from my xp machine
[07:19] <bob2> nomad1: so, your actual problem is that you made folders on your Desktop as root, for no apparent reason
[07:19] <yhann> Hi guys, how can I test my modem?
[07:19] <keith-> bob2: tried that.  i have /dev/mixer ... i don't have /dev/mixer1 ... and so sound only works with some stuff.
[07:19] <SuperQ> highvoltage: haha.. no.. it was more a joke than anything
[07:19] <bob2> nomad1: 'sudo rm ~/Desktop/*:*'
[07:19] <carthik> ashwani, i don't know - sorry - there must be some log /var/log/syslog or similar that logs messages
[07:19] <AngryParsley> nalioth: thanks for your help
[07:19] <SuperQ> highvoltage: I suppose I could find out
[07:19] <nalioth> AngryParsley: that's what i'm here for
[07:19] <ashwani> carthik:  how has you changed your color to red
[07:20] <bob2> keith-: I can't think of any reason a working program should touch that
[07:20] <carthik> ashwani it is because i mention your name
[07:20] <AngryParsley> now that I have that working, I can do everything I did in windows
[07:20] <carthik> now it doesnt
[07:20] <ashwani> ok
[07:20] <ashwani> do you see my text in red
[07:20] <AngryParsley> well I will have it working once the torrent finishes
[07:20] <ashwani> carthik, do you see myb test in red
[07:20] <faddat> anybody know what to make of this?
[07:20] <carthik> ashwani, no, you have to say carthik
[07:20] <keith-> bob2: ran an strace on it... well a friend did... then he made the device, and sound worked... but i haven't remade it since i rebooted
[07:20] <faddat> configure: error: expected an absolute directory name for --prefix: =/usr
[07:20] <nalioth> AngryParsley: you should. it was custom compiled for breezy x96
[07:20] <bob2> keith-: very odd
[07:20] <carthik> ashwani nowi do - it is a way for others to know they are being talked-to by you
[07:21] <faddat> should /usr be /home/myusername?
[07:21] <bob2> faddat: what are you trying to compile?
[07:21] <faddat> or should /usr be /usr/myusername
[07:21] <CountDown> Hi all.  How can I find out to which package a system file belongs.  For example, I'm interested in knowing which package is responsible for installing the /usr/include/usb.h file.
[07:21] <AngryParsley> nalioth: yeah, I haven't had a problem getting debs to work
[07:21] <keith-> bob2: yeah flash is acting all bad for me now... i'm not sure what it is
[07:21] <AngryParsley> I'm just new to linux on the desktop environment
[07:21] <faddat> The clearlooks theme that uses cairo.
[07:21] <odat> i can currently acces my xp machine from ubuntu and can see my unbuntu machine on xp but can not access anything from my ubuntu box from my xp machine
[07:21] <odat> need help with samba
[07:22] <faddat> bob2: the clearlooks theme that uses cairo
[07:22] <bob2> nomad1: so, stop being so annoying and ignoring me
[07:22] <bob2> nomad1: I already told you how to fix it
[07:22] <faddat> bob2: I'm referencing this article http://madpenguin.org/cms/?m=show&id=5145&page=2
[07:23] <volvoguy> faddat, where'd you find that? i thought it was only barely started.
[07:23] <ashwani> carthik, thanks
[07:23] <carthik> ashwani, if you are interested in avoiding it in the future or something, read up on it: http://www.seifried.org/security/index.php/Linux_System_and_User_Logging
[07:23] <jmark> what happens to my ubuntu system if I uninstall ubuntu-desktop?
[07:23] <ashwani> carthik, that do you do actually, where are you working
[07:23] <faddat> volvoguy: http://madpenguin.org/cms/?m=show&id=5145&page=2
[07:23] <volvoguy> heh. that was a fast answer. :)
[07:23] <AngryParsley> jmark: you probably want to keep ubuntu-desktop
[07:24] <bob2> faddat: it's broken, no space between --prefix=/usr
[07:24] <bob2> faddat: but I'd be very wary of bothering with that
[07:24] <carthik> ashwani, no, i never have had a network/security problem - i am a graduate student :)
[07:24] <FR500> dr_willis: i had it set as a public share........duh
[07:24] <jmark> AngryParsley: i'm trying to remaster a ubuntu cd and need to remove openoffice.org, when I do apt-get remove openoffice.org it also removes ubuntu-desktop???
[07:24] <bob2> since clearlooks is in ubuntu already
[07:24] <faddat> bob2: thanks man.  I'll probably do what the article says and use it and then drop it
[07:24] <faddat> bob2: just want to try it for the cairo more than anything.
[07:25] <Madpilot> AngryParsley & jmark: ubuntu-desktop is just a meta-package, you can delete it without any major issues - but it's probably a good idea to re-install it before doing any major system upgrades - like when you move up to Breezy...
[07:25] <ashwani> carthik, from how much time you are using ubuntu
[07:25] <bob2> faddat: bear in mind you're already using cairo
[07:25] <carthik> ashwani, since nov'04 ?
[07:25] <ashwani> carthik, what are these green text coming on.
[07:25] <faddat> ?
[07:25] <dr_willis> FR500,  :P
[07:25] <volvoguy> bob2, might checkinstall help faddat uninstall things if it doesn't work?
[07:25] <bob2> volvoguy: ah, yes, good idea
[07:25] <AngryParsley> Madpilot: oh
[07:25] <ashwani> carthik, I am also using linux from nov 04 but ubuntu from 1 month only
[07:25] <bob2> faddat: gtk in ubuntu uses cairo
[07:25] <cafuego_> faddat: Ubuntu includes cairo, it's just that not all of Gnome ahs been ported over to it as of yet.
[07:25] <carthik> ashwani, messages to tell you someone joined or parted, turn them off in preferences if you dont like
[07:25] <nalioth> volvoguy: if he used it TO install, yes
[07:25] <cafuego_> (afaik)
[07:26] <volvoguy> nalioth, right.
[07:26] <volvoguy> faddat, are you familiar with checkinstall?
[07:26] <ashwani> carthik, this is first time I am or IRC chat
[07:26] <jmark> Madpilot: I am going to remove it from a livecd. As such it will not be upgraded
[07:26] <faddat> bob2: I'm confused-- the article would lead me to believe that since my theme is not set to use cairo, I'm not using it.  Ah, okay-- more things to put on my wishlist for 6.04 :).
[07:26] <ashwani> is there any ubuntu group on Yahoo messanger
[07:26] <Myrtti> <3 irssi "/ignore #ubuntu JOINS QUITS"
[07:26] <cyphase> Good Review of Ubuntu : http://www.madpenguin.org/cms/?m=show&id=5145
[07:26] <ashwani> carthik,is there any ubuntu group on Yahoo messanger
[07:26] <faddat> volvoguy: can't say that I am
[07:26] <dr_willis> ashwani,  ewww... :P
[07:26] <bob2> faddat: gtk uses cairo to draw in breezy
[07:26] <cafuego_> !checkinstall
[07:26] <dr_willis> last i was in the yahoo messenger rooms - they were all porn chat.
[07:26] <ubotu> checkinstall is, like, http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CheckInstall
[07:27] <Myrtti> joins quits parts even
[07:27] <bob2> faddat: so I'd assume at least the default theme engine does
[07:27] <Madpilot> jmark: that might not be a good idea, but I'm not an expert.
[07:27] <volvoguy> faddat, yeah. do what ubotu said. :) it makes uninstalling much easier.
[07:27] <ashwani> carthik, is there any ubuntu group on Yahoo messanger
[07:27] <Antioch> Doesn anyone have Gnome power manager installed on ubuntu?
[07:28] <ashwani> dr_willis, why laughing on me sir
[07:28] <faddat> thanks :).  Sounds like a good tool for a guy who likes to break his comp as much as I do
[07:28] <volvoguy> faddat, since i'm curious myself, i'll give it a try and see if i can help you out.
[07:28] <volvoguy> faddat, yeah.... it rocks for us bleeding edge types. :)
[07:28] <cyphase> Anyone have any ideas for the defualt homepage in Ubuntu?
[07:28] <Antioch> ubuntulinux.org?
[07:28] <cyphase> I'm planning on making a new one
[07:28] <ashwani> cyphase, what you want to kow
[07:28] <dr_willis> ashwani,  why not just go LOOK at the list of the yahoo chat rooms and see whats tehre.. i tried their linux room once.. you are better off here..
[07:29] <HiddenWolf> cyphase, talk to #ubuntu-docteam about that
[07:29] <nalioth> Antioch: yes
[07:29] <cyphase> no, a file on the drive that can be used as a homepage
[07:29] <Antioch> nalioth does it work well?
[07:29] <ashwani> dr_willis, did you find any room there
[07:29] <cyphase> with links to the forums, ubuntuguide.org, brief description, etc
[07:29] <ashwani> dr_willis, did you find any room there
[07:29] <dr_willis> ashwani,  a linux room yes... and they were.. well .. not very bright...
[07:29] <nomad1> bob2, rm: cannot remove `/home/nomad/Desktop/C:': Is a directory
[07:29] <cyphase> HiddenWolf, thanx
[07:30] <ashwani> dr_willis, that means just a new growing community
[07:30] <yhann> Hi guys, how can I test my modem?
[07:30] <nalioth> Antioch: the website?
[07:30] <bob2> nomad1: sudo rm -r ~/Desktop/*:*
[07:30] <dr_willis> ashwani,  i dont think so...
[07:30] <dr_willis> ashwani,  those that are in the know.. use irc.
[07:30] <bob2> nomad1: but, seriously, don't make folders in ~/ ownde by root in future
[07:30] <nomad1> thx
[07:30] <cyphase> i'll try and catch the first one to log on :)
[07:30] <nomad1> sure
[07:30] <ashwani> dr_willis, ok
[07:30] <nalioth> Antioch: not familiar with gnome power mangler
[07:30] <nomad1> i learnt my lesson
[07:30] <Antioch> nalioth sorry... mistake
[07:30] <nalioth> Antioch: missed your earlier question
[07:30] <ashwani> dr_willis, actually this IRCChat is not that good how much yahoo messanger is
[07:30] <CountDown> Hi all.  How can I find out to which package a system file belongs?  For example, I'm interested in knowing which package is responsible for installing the /usr/include/usb.h file.
[07:30] <Antioch> nalioth its ok
[07:31] <bob2> CountDown: dpkg -S file
[07:31] <dr_willis> ashwani,  that made no sence to me.
[07:31] <nomad1> lol bob2 check this
[07:31] <nomad1> nomad@ubuntu:~$ sudo rm -r ~/Desktop/C:\
[07:31] <nomad1> >
[07:31] <CountDown> bob2: Thanks... exactly what I was looking for.  Cheers.
[07:31] <ashwani> dr_willis, ok
[07:31] <nomad1> coz its called C:\
[07:31] <cyphase> ashwani, basically any ideas people might have
[07:31] <nomad1> the back slash i think takes me to a new line
[07:31] <dr_willis> thers a \ in the file name. :P lol
[07:31] <ashwani> dr_willis, well thanks very much everyone
[07:32] <nomad1> lol
[07:32] <ashwani> well thanks very much everyone, i got good help here
[07:32] <nomad1> how can it be read as a string rather than command
[07:32] <bob2> CountDown: dlocate is anoter package that works more quickly by indexing the db daily
[07:32] <ashwani> I got to do some work so will have to leave now
[07:32] <ashwani> thanks
[07:32] <FR500> dr_willis: where can i ask for a feature to be added, for instance to the shared folders dialog? (i wan't it to be able to control the public parameter)
[07:32] <dr_willis> FR500,  no clue. :P if its a gnome feature - ya may want to check the #GNOME guys,.
[07:33] <dr_willis> FR500,  i manually edit my samba share configs. :P lol
[07:33] <FR500> dr_willis: come on not all users are ready to learn
[07:33] <FR500> dr_willis: not many end users can user gedit_p
[07:33] <FR500> :p
[07:33] <dr_willis> FR500,  too bad for them.. :P what makes ya think i care about them.
[07:33] <CountDown> In other news, I'm trying to make a Python wrapper for libusb based on the BitPim codebase.  Anyone interested in helping in this endeavor.  Right now I'm stuck with the SWIG build script.  No one over at #python seems to be biting.
[07:33] <FR500> dr_willis: but it would help linux advance even further
[07:34] <bob2> swig is pretty unpleasent
[07:34] <bob2> and not very pythonic
[07:34] <mwright1night> Hello
[07:34] <faddat> volvoguy: checkinstall is brilliant!
[07:34] <dr_willis> im constantly having to explain bear bones FUNDAMENTAL stuff to people at work..  that think renaming a .jpg to .bmp actually does somthing because thei icon changes....
[07:34] <faddat> volvoguy: now I can take out all that stuff as though it came in a package
[07:34] <mwright1> Quick question about users properties within users and groups
[07:34] <volvoguy> faddat, i thought you'd like it. :)
[07:34] <mwright1> then in the advanced section you've got "User privileges"
[07:34] <FR500> lol
[07:34] <mwright1> how do I add to the user priviliges list?
[07:35] <volvoguy> faddat, you can even see those packages in synaptic.
[07:35] <mwright1> Ie the user privliges list relates to a particular user group
[07:35] <cafuego_> mwright1: Set up groups with specific rights
[07:35] <mwright1> I know how to setup groups, but how do i put the descriptions under User privliges
[07:35] <mwright1> i want to add descriptions that you can check with teh mouse and make them ticked
[07:35] <mwright1> and have them link to a group in /etc/group
[07:35] <dr_willis> FR500,  to be honest.. i used the gnome thinggies to set up the users home as a share on 2 machines so i could copuy stuff back and forth and it worked fine for me.
[07:35] <volvoguy> faddat, how'd the install go by the way? i haven't gotten that far yet.
[07:35] <dr_willis> FR500,  im guessing they defaulted to private
[07:36] <cafuego_> mwright1: probably in the data file for the users/groups applet.
[07:36] <FR500> dr_willis: yes, but that little checkbox could do a lot
[07:36] <mwright1> cafuuego_ where is this data file stored
[07:36] <cubeness> hmm.. just updated to breezy to test it..
[07:36] <shekhar> help i have screwed up my sources.list and didn't backup the old one
[07:36] <mwright1> or which dpkg should I query to try and find the file
[07:36] <cafuego_> mwright1: good question ;-)
[07:37] <cubeness> nomatter what i do, i get out of scan range on my monitor when xorg starts
[07:37] <cubeness> whats the deal?
[07:37] <cubeness> using nv driver
[07:37] <dr_willis> FR500,  iswent what you are refering to the "allow browsing" check box... NOW ya see why i HATE dumbing down things for 'less then educated people' by dumbing this down . they make it harder to realize whats going on
[07:37] <dr_willis> :P
[07:38] <cafuego_> gnome-system-tools: /usr/bin/users-admin
[07:38] <FR500> dr_willis: nom browseable parameter and public are different
[07:39] <mwright1> cafuego_ thats where we were
[07:39] <dr_willis> FR500,  if you say so, :O Ive never done much more then share the HOMES dir.
[07:39] <dr_willis> i notice the help file for that interface/tool is missing on my system :P
[07:39] <faddat> volvoguy: are you getting the PMs that I've been sending you, or did I mess up using the PM system?
[07:40] <volvoguy> faddat, nope. not getting them.
[07:40] <FR500> dr_willis: i havent accessed the help files too much
[07:40] <dr_willis> all that  thing did was add about 5 new lines to the end of the samba.conf and restarted samba
[07:40] <dr_willis> :P
[07:40] <FR500> dr_willis: well i'm accessing my shares over a pptp tunnel so this little things make a difference for me
[07:40] <nomad1> !tell me mp3
[07:40] <dr_willis> FR500,  yea.. ive noticed a lot of little details in gnome are well lacking in ways..
[07:40] <bob2> nomad1: /msg ubotu restricted
[07:40] <dr_willis> but all i need to do is share my porn with the other pc's
[07:41] <nomad1> thx
[07:41] <FR500> lol
[07:41] <faddat> volvoguy: basically
[07:41] <FR500> dr_willis: but you don't want ur little bro to access your porn
[07:41] <FR500> !!!
[07:41] <ubotu> ! is probably what you add before a sentence to talk to me
[07:41] <nomad1> how do u tell apt to dl and install an app
[07:41] <nomad1> i used to use yum
[07:41] <dr_willis> FR500,  My little bro is 26 :P
[07:41] <faddat> volvoguy: I got "checking for GTK... configure: error: GTK+-2.7 or newer is required to compile clearlooks-cairo
[07:41] <faddat> "
[07:41] <FR500> nomad1: apt-get install app
[07:41] <faddat> volvoguy: and a wicked case of insomnia
[07:42] <volvoguy> faddat, you're using breezy, right?
[07:42] <FR500> dr_willis: lucky you
[07:42] <faddat> yeah
[07:42] <nomad1> so i justthx
[07:42] <nalioth> nomad1: it works the same way (yum is son of apt-get_
[07:42] <nomad1> thx lol
[07:43] <faddat> volvoguy: yeah
[07:43] <volvoguy> faddat, hmm... i have e17 compiling right now. if you'll be around tomorrow or later this week, i'll let you know how far i got.
[07:43] <nomad1> !tell me root
[07:43] <jmark> is there a way to see what exactly apt-get install ubuntu-desktop will install?
[07:43] <nomad1> wats the topic for setting and removing root account
[07:43] <nomad1> i want to demolish that account
[07:43] <faddat> yeah, I should be around
[07:43] <shekhar> can someone help me with a fresh sources.list -- i have screwed mine up without backing up
[07:43] <faddat> volvoguy: thanks man, I'll let you know if I can trick it into working...
[07:43] <Madpilot> jmark: mark in for un-installation in Synaptic, and it'll tell you want else it'll remove - nothing else, if I remember right...
[07:43] <volvoguy> faddat, ok. good luck. and from one insomniac to another - go rest your brain. :o)
[07:44] <jmark> Madpilot: k, will check that
[07:45] <cafuego_> mwright1: share/setup-tool-backends/scripts/users-conf
[07:45] <cafuego_> mwright1: /usr/share/setup-tool-backends/scripts/users-conf
[07:45] <faddat> volvoguy: wish I could.... I've still got that "quite awake and alert" feeling that = your mind telling you "YOU SHALL NOT SLEEP, EVEN THOUGH YOU HAVE CLASS IN SEVEN HOURS!"
[07:46] <shekhar> can someone help me?
[07:46] <carthik> shekhar, ask
[07:46] <shekhar> carthik, i have screwed up my sources.list and forgot to backup the original
[07:46] <nalioth> shekhar: if you ask a question
[07:46] <cafuego_> shekhar: Just run 'apt-setup' to create a new one.
[07:47] <carthik> shekhar, i see...
[07:47] <nalioth> !tell shekhar about sources
[07:47] <volvoguy> faddat, i feel your pain. red wine works best for me. :)
[07:47] <nalioth> shekhar: you can put this one in its place
[07:47] <nalioth> shekhar: read what ubotu sent you
[07:47] <faddat> volvoguy: hashish.....
[07:47] <nalioth> cafuego_: apt-setup?
[07:47] <carthik> shekhar: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/339
[07:47] <cafuego_> nalioth: yah. Does Ubuntu not have it?
[07:48] <AngryParsley> oh hells yeah
[07:48] <AngryParsley> java works like a charm
[07:48] <shekhar> ubotu nalioth carthik thanks!
[07:48] <ubotu> shekhar: Did you get hit by a windmill?
[07:48] <carthik> ubotu shut up
[07:48] <ubotu> carthik: What?
[07:48] <tristanmike> now, now, let's not be mean to the bot
[07:48] <volvoguy> faddat, i'm fresh out. bad back and on enough drugs as it is anyway. :)
[07:48] <dr_willis> ubotu take over the world!
[07:48] <shekhar> ubotu, no, just got hit by having to reinstall ubuntu from scratch :)
[07:48] <ubotu> dr_willis: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
[07:48] <ubotu> NO SPEAKE ENLISH!, shekhar
[07:48] <nalioth> cafuego_: not sure, i was just wonderin how it genned a sources.list out of its ****
[07:48] <carthik> shekhar ubotu is a bot
[07:49] <cafuego_> nalioth; it contains a list of mirrors and repo names.
[07:49] <Madpilot> !tell shekhar about ubotu
[07:49] <tristanmike> shekhar, meaning, it has programed response
[07:49] <nalioth> cafuego_: the "apt-setup" program?
[07:49] <cafuego_> nalioth: yes.
[07:49] <tristanmike> it's got a man page
[07:49] <cafuego_> nalioth: it's a curses based tool to select mirrors and repos.
[07:50] <mwright1> cafuego_: thanks that did the trick
[07:50] <mwright1> how did you find it
[07:50] <cafuego_> mwright1: rgrep :-)
[07:51] <nalioth> cafuego_: imagine that. i've been recommending the wget way to replace hosed sources.lists
[07:51] <shekhar> ah ubotu is a bot
[07:51] <cafuego_> AngryParsley: Are you related to MadCelery?
[07:51] <nalioth> cafuego_: i dont show apt-setup in the cache search
[07:51] <AngryParsley> cafuego: what? n
[07:51] <AngryParsley> o
[07:51] <cafuego_> nalioth: Well, when i just tried it, I did get an error about a missing cd, so perhaps the Ubuntu (breezy anyway) one isn't working as it should.
[07:52] <AngryParsley> oh, I thought someone else here had an angry vegetable name
[07:52] <cafuego_> !find apt-setup
[07:52] <AngryParsley> I just got this name from a random nick generator, but most people seem to like it
[07:52] <cafuego_> AngryParsley: nah, just dizzy fruit.
[07:52] <jmark> ok, I understand what a hedgehog is, but what makes it "hoary"?
[07:52] <AngryParsley> heh
[07:52] <yhann> Hi guys, how can I test my modem?
[07:52] <cafuego_> nalioth: it's in base-config
[07:52] <bob2> jmark: en.wikitionary.org/wiki/Hoary
[07:52] <carthik> jmark, whats in a name?
[07:52] <nalioth> cafuego_: breezy or hoary?
[07:53] <mwright1> is that an ubuntu tool or a parent debian tool?
[07:53] <tristanmike> cafuego, no such file or directory
[07:53] <jmark> HA! there is a wiki about hoary
[07:53] <bob2> er, http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Hoary
[07:53] <omnibong> greetings
[07:53] <Madpilot> !+hoary
[07:53] <ubotu> hmm... hoary is a word that means grey or ancient.  Shakespeare made a joke about it in his play Romeo and Juliet
[07:53] <cafuego_> nalioth: hoary
[07:53] <cafuego_> nalioth: /usr/sbin/apt-setup
[07:53] <omnibong> can anybody assist me with a livecd question?
[07:54] <jmark> ah, I feel uneducated
[07:54] <mwright1> does the first user of the system have admin rights when you first install breezy breeze?
[07:54] <tristanmike> cafuego, I don't have it, and I'm running Hoary
[07:54] <mwright1> I'm trying to think this through from a non technical user perspective
[07:54] <nalioth> omnibong: if you ask one
[07:54] <tristanmike> cafuego, wait, I take that back
[07:54] <bob2> mwright1: indeed
[07:54] <cafuego_> mwright1: yes, due to it being in the 'admin' group, and this having permissions in sudo.
[07:54] <tristanmike> cafuego, sorry, I do have it after all
[07:54] <mwright1> do you have to use sudo though?
[07:54] <cafuego_> tristanmike: Not in tehd efault path eh
[07:54] <bob2> mwright1: no, but it's far simpler
[07:55] <bob2> mwright1: why wouldn't you want to?
[07:55] <cafuego_> mwright1: You could set a root password, but 'sudo -s' is just as easy.
[07:55] <tristanmike> cafuego, nah, there, I just had them sorted differently
[07:55] <mwright1> mp O dpm
[07:55] <mwright1> t
[07:55] <mwright1> no I don't want to
[07:55] <tristanmike> cafuego, but !find apt-setup doesn't work for me
[07:55] <mwright1> we just fooled around with the system and forgot to check
[07:55] <mwright1> We're @ HP and we're going to be supporting Ubuntu so we want to get familiar
[07:56] <cafuego_> tristanmike: Are you identified with nickserv?
[07:56] <chromate> ok so i installed a package, played with one of the configuration scripts, and deleted it, assumnig that if i reinstalled the package it would come back, but it didnt. is there any way to do a *thorough* removal and reinstall of a package with apt?
[07:56] <tristanmike> cafuego, I believe so
[07:56] <cafuego_> mwright1: Just don't make the mistake of testing it on an nx9005 laptop.
[07:56] <bob2> chromate: no, do not delete files that come with packages, ever
[07:56] <omnibong> nalioth: what does it mean when livecd doesnot load a complete desktop?  the only thing I get is a pointer on the screen
[07:56] <cafuego_> tristanmike: odd, ubotu msg'd me the results.
[07:56] <Madpilot> mwright1: if you're at HP, shouldn't you get familiar with the Ubuntu-recommended method of admining, namely sudo?
[07:56] <cafuego_> !find sbin/apt-setup
[07:56] <bob2> chromate: sudo dpkg -P --force-depends whatever ; sudo apt-get install whatever
[07:56] <chromate> bob2: now that its too late how do i repair =)
[07:56] <chromate> bob2: thanks
[07:56] <tristanmike> yup, already identified
[07:56] <cafuego_> !test
[07:56] <ubotu> Passed.
[07:56] <ubotu> Ubuntu Search of 'sbin/apt-setup' (1 shown): (/usr/sbin/apt-setup) in base/base-config.
[07:57] <cafuego_> slow-ass bot
[07:57] <tristanmike> cafuego, ha, but no, "event not found"
[07:57] <nalioth> cafuego_: time for you to buy him a quad-opteron motorcycle, then
[07:57] <cafuego_> tristanmike: Aiyee.
[07:57] <tristanmike> weird
[07:57] <cafuego_> nalioth: I could plonk him on my desltop box I suppose.
[07:58] <cafuego_> But I can't allow him to search the lowly x86 repos when he runs on x86_64 himself.
[07:58] <cafuego_> tristanmike: Can you try again?
[07:58] <tristanmike> try which?
[07:59] <cafuego_> tristanmike: !find apt-setup
[07:59] <cafuego_> tristanmike: Oh, hold on, you typed it in bash. Ha, no.
[07:59] <tristanmike> cafuego, sure, I'm in root too
[07:59] <cafuego_> tristanmike: '!find' is a command on irc, for ubotu. he has searchable package lists.
[08:00] <tristanmike> cafuego, oh, I thought you were talking about something else
[08:00] <omnibong> is there any documentation that I can read that can explain if livecd doesn't work properly?
[08:00] <cafuego_> tristanmike: if you type that in the shell, bash will tried to run the last command that staretd with whatever follows the exclamation mark.
[08:00] <cafuego_> ie: ls /bin;  !l;
[08:00] <tristanmike> cafuego, I got lost there
[08:01] <tristanmike> cafuego, that hints very much at bed time very shortly
[08:01] <cafuego_> tristanmike: ! on the shell prompt is a way to run commands from the bash command history without retyping the whole thing.
[08:01] <cafuego_> tristanmike: ... and without having to hit allow-up a million times.
[08:01] <cafuego_> arrow-up even
[08:02] <tristanmike> lol
[08:02] <cafuego_> tristanmike: You can type !<string> and it will execute the last command in your command history that started with <string>
[08:03] <omnibong> what does it mean when livecd doesn't load a complete desktop?  the only thing I get is a pointer on the screen
[08:03] <mwright1> cafuego_: what was your egrep syntax?
[08:03] <mwright1> I don't know how to use it and wan to learn
[08:03] <cafuego_> mwright1: rgrep 'Connect to Internet' /usr/share
[08:03] <Madpilot> hmmm... K3B rocks... all GnomeBaker was producing was audio CD coasters, K3B actually works... too bad it looks funny on a Gnome desktop...
[08:03] <mwright1> easy
[08:03] <mwright1> i meant rgrep, sorry getting tired
[08:04] <jtan325> amarok is the shiznit
[08:04] <GhostFreeman> why must we fight
[08:04] <GhostFreeman> KDE vs Gnome
[08:04] <cafuego_> GhostFreeman: KDE must just die, not fight.
[08:04] <Padden> hi folks, hows it going?
[08:04] <tristanmike> thanx cafuego :)
[08:04] <GhostFreeman> lol
[08:05] <omnibong> does it mean that there is some incompatible hardware in my system if the livecd does not completely boot into the desktop?
[08:05] <Madpilot> GhostFreeman: because KDE looks too much like WinXP ;) ... but I'll happily steal it's better apps!
[08:05] <cafuego_> omnibong: Is the cd still spinning?
[08:05] <GhostFreeman> I don't care, I use Xfce, lol
[08:05] <cafuego_> Madpilot: Does that mean you'll stop using fvwm2 when Vista is released? ;-)
[08:06] <jtan325> i use fvwm
[08:06] <jtan325> fvwm is the shiznit
[08:06] <omnibong> cafuego_: no it isn't still spinning.  I used the amd64 version and the x86 version with the same results
[08:06] <GhostFreeman> no but he'll give up fvwm for TCG
[08:06] <cafuego_> omnibong: Anything logged on consoles 2 or 3?
[08:06] <Madpilot> cafuego: I've got no idea what fvwm2 even is...
[08:06] <GhostFreeman> Grammatical errors: TCG will give up YOUR SOUL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[08:06] <mwright1> going home now
[08:07] <mwright1> btw: we are testing on an IBM notebook hehe
[08:07] <mwright1> cafuego_: thanks for your help
[08:07] <omnibong> cafuego_: the only thing I see is the pointer on the screen and I can't click any buttons to bring up a menu
[08:07] <locomorto> Madpilot: fvm2 is a window manager
[08:07] <cafuego_> mwright1: no prob, send me free stuff
[08:07] <mwright1> we have to look after Debian, REdhat, Suse and now Ubuntu
[08:07] <cafuego_> omnibong: ctrl-alt-F2
[08:07] <locomorto> Madpilot: fvwm2 *
[08:07] <mwright1> don't have any this place is tight
[08:07] <_rb_> heyas all. tried searching on google, where would i find out the name of an animation i had once in the past and want again
[08:08] <cafuego_> omnibong: that will give you a console. F3 is the next one.. they may contain logs
[08:08] <_rb_> someone here might have seen it
[08:08] <cafuego_> _rb_: Oh yeah, i saw it too.
[08:08] <_rb_> lol
[08:08] <_rb_> yeah yeah, wait up
[08:08] <omnibong> cafuego_: I haven't tried that yet.  I'll try it now
[08:09] <_rb_> the animation is a 3d thing with a little pigme and a coyote or fox who are constantly at each others throats.
[08:09] <omnibong> cafuego_: I'll try it now, brb
[08:09] <cafuego_> omnibong: Is it the breezy livecd or hoary, btw?
[08:09] <cafuego_> _rb_: mpeg/avi or flash?
[08:10] <_rb_> it was compressed with divx, but the mpeg would be better.
[08:10] <_rb_> done by 3 french guys i think
[08:10] <louisjohn> y0 i got a 20/20 on my hard drove
[08:10] <louisjohn> halfs xp pro and the other is ubuntu
[08:11] <omnibong> cafuego_: It's version 5.04
[08:11] <louisjohn> how do I erase the xp pro
[08:11] <louisjohn> just format the disk or what
[08:11] <louisjohn> im me
[08:11] <louisjohn> brb
[08:11] <snausages> hahah
[08:11] <omnibong> cafuego_:don't know if it's hoary or breezy
[08:11] <cafuego_> omnibong: *nod* Maybe try 5.10, see if you have more luck witht hat one.
[08:11] <cafuego_> omnibong: 5.04 is Hoary
[08:12] <omnibong> cafuego_:ok, didn't know there was 5.10
[08:12] <cafuego_> _rb_: I'm afraid google is only giving me pygmy sex links
[08:12] <tristanmike> good night all, interview tomorrow
[08:12] <louisjohn> hey come on
[08:12] <louisjohn> someone tell me
[08:12] <cafuego_> omnibong: it's not officially released yet (October 13)
[08:12] <louisjohn> how do I earse the other 20 gigs on the xp side
[08:12] <snausages> louisjohn i think you'd have to format
[08:13] <cafuego_> omnibong: But if 5.04 ain't working, it might be worth a try.
[08:13] <snausages> but you'd lose everything
[08:13] <snausages> then you could do a clean-install of ubuntu
[08:13] <_rb_> any ideas onb it ? anyone seen anything fitting that description ?
[08:13] <cafuego_> louisjohn: You might be able to delete the XP partition, then resize the Linux one with parted.
[08:13] <louisjohn> nice
[08:13] <louisjohn> sounds good but I dont understand it
[08:13] <cafuego_> Note: BACK UP YOUR DATA FIRST
[08:14] <louisjohn> linux is all about commands
[08:14] <louisjohn> i havent gotten it down yet how to install programs
[08:14] <louisjohn> I just learned about the su
[08:14] <louisjohn> and all that
[08:14] <LasseL> louisjohn, synaptic is your friend here
[08:14] <louisjohn> I got my printer hooked up
[08:14] <louisjohn> I love ubuntu but want to learn it
[08:14] <cafuego_> louisjohn: You can run 'synaptic' from the System -> Administration menu and install applications.
[08:15] <louisjohn> I dont see the install applications
[08:15] <louisjohn> I see the synaptic manager
[08:15] <cafuego_> "Syanptic Package Manager"
[08:15] <cafuego_> That's the one, run it.
[08:16] <cafuego_> right click any package you want, then click 'Apply'.
[08:16] <louisjohn> i see the package manager
[08:16] <louisjohn> where can i get support for this
[08:16] <cafuego_> right here.
[08:16] <LasseL> louisjohn, you might want to check with google or here on which package you need for a specific program
[08:16] <louisjohn> how am I gonna learn this comeing off of xp pro
[08:16] <carthik> louisjohn, http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuHowCome
[08:17] <soLeMn> hehe
[08:17] <nalioth> !tell louisjohn about synaptic
[08:17] <carthik> and other such docs will help
[08:17] <cafuego_> If you ask a coherent, concise question, you'll get a coherent answer.
[08:17] <LasseL> It would be really nice if synaptic had pictures
[08:17] <carthik> LasseL, pictures of?
[08:17] <cafuego_> LasseL: Did you file a wishlist bug on that/ ;-)
[08:17] <louisjohn> i need interaction learning
[08:17] <LasseL> like if the desc linked to some website with a desc on the program and screenshots
[08:17] <louisjohn> I cant read something and do it
[08:17] <louisjohn> i need help
[08:17] <elmer> knuybhytby
[08:18] <elmer> hgvgujjohvgtu;[lpjhggfcdjilp;[
[08:18] <cafuego_> louisjohn: Well, you can get paid support from Canonical, Inc.
[08:18] <carthik> louisjohn, heh :) interact with the guides, step through them, do the things they mention....
[08:18] <cafuego_> They'll be glad to step you though anything.
[08:18] <carthik> louisjohn, or solve one little problem at a time as and when they occur
[08:18] <elmer> hayop
[08:18] <elmer> hayop
[08:18] <elmer> hayop
[08:18] <elmer> hayop
[08:18] <elmer> hayop
[08:18] <elmer> hayop
[08:18] <elmer> hayop
[08:18] <cafuego_> !ops
[08:18] <elmer> hayop
[08:18] <ubotu> I heard ops is Help! seb128, bob2, fabbione, lamont, thom, Keybuk, fooishbar, jdub, mdz, Amaranth, tritium, ajmich, crimsun, ogra, CarlK, Seveas, Burgundavia, apokryphos, thoreauputic, and Nalioth
[08:18] <elmer> hayop
[08:18] <cafuego_> elmer: Go away.
[08:18] <elmer> hayop
[08:19] <elmer> hayop
[08:19] <elmer> hayop
[08:19] <elmer> hayop
[08:19] <elmer> i kickur ass cafuego
[08:19] <elmer> i kick ur ass cafuego
[08:19] <elmer> i kick ur ass cafuego
[08:19] <soLeMn_mAyHEm> hehehe
[08:19] <cafuego_> fabbione: cheers
[08:19] <louisjohn> paid support
[08:19] <louisjohn> fuck u
[08:19] <NAJJAR> hai
[08:20] <volvoguy> language please.
[08:20] <NAJJAR> salam kenal u/ semua
[08:21] <carthik> najjar, this is primarily an english language support channel
[08:21] <deFrysk> !indonesia
[08:21] <ubotu> deFrysk: NO SPEAKE ENLISH!
[08:21] <deFrysk> ok ;p
[08:21] <Vespoli> lol
[08:21] <cafuego_> Hahaha :-)
[08:22] <volvoguy> nalioth, thx. :)
[08:22] <omnibong> cafuego_: I just used ctrl-alt-f2
[08:22] <cafuego_> omnibong: ANything there in the way of useful logs?
[08:22] <NAJJAR> i can't language english well
[08:22] <omnibong> cafuego_: not really, I'm not sure what to look at
[08:23] <cafuego_> omnibong: Anything that might mention "error".
[08:23] <volvoguy> nalioth, for louisjohn.
[08:23] <omnibong> cafuego_: I check /var/log/messages
[08:23] <omnibong> cafuego_: I also check .xsession-errors
[08:24] <cafuego_> Is there anything in .xsession-errors?
[08:24] <Vespoli> !tell Vespoli about sudo
[08:24] <volvoguy> i should be an op. i love busting troublemakers. hehe.
[08:24] <omnibong> cafuego_: .xsession-errors has the following info....
[08:24] <cafuego_> omnibong: if it's a lot, please use the pastebot.
[08:24] <Vespoli> wtf? why is it whenever I sudo I can never get the command to execture
[08:24] <Vespoli> *execute,
[08:24] <locomorto> Vespoli: exactly what happens
[08:24] <Vespoli> ?
[08:24] <Vespoli> question ?
[08:24] <cafuego_> Vespoli: What error do you get?
[08:24] <locomorto> Vespoli: and what command are you trying to execute
[08:25] <omnibong> cafuego_: (gnome-cups-icon:26016): waring **:failed request with status 1030
[08:25] <Vespoli> Password:
[08:25] <Vespoli> adam@tux:~$
[08:25] <cafuego_> omnibong: *nod* that one's not a problem
[08:25] <Vespoli> Password:
[08:25] <Vespoli> adam@tux:~$
[08:25] <cafuego_> Vespoli: Which command are you trying to run?
[08:25] <soLeMn_mAyHEm> #^%$*(_&&)^^%(+)_@##!!!
[08:25] <nalioth> soLeMn_mAyHEm: in #ubuntu-offtopic with that, please
[08:25] <Vespoli> look at my pm cafuego
[08:26] <kevin06> How do I get the control menu back after I closed it?
[08:26] <soLeMn_mAyHEm> FUNK U
[08:26] <kevin06> Oops,...
[08:26] <kevin06> In XINE
[08:26] <Vespoli> or even when I try to update packages, type in my password, and *NOTHING* happens
[08:26] <DansFloyd> hey, i have files in the trash... but it wont let me delete them... what command do i use to kill them all?
[08:26] <cafuego_> is it just past full moon or soemthing? the morons seem thicker on the ground than usual
[08:26] <Vespoli> no error, just plain old nothing
[08:26] <Vespoli> and this is a _fresh_ 5.10 install
[08:26] <Vespoli> :-/
[08:26] <nalioth> DansFloyd: how did they get in the trash?
[08:27] <cafuego_> Vespoli: I didn't get your pm.
[08:27] <Vespoli> k
[08:27] <DansFloyd> well their folders with files
[08:27] <DansFloyd> :)
[08:27] <cafuego_> DansFloyd: right click on the trash icon
[08:27] <Vespoli> cafuego, its like I sudo blah blah blah and then press enter and nothing happens
[08:27] <DansFloyd> ...
[08:27] <Vespoli> just as if I typed nothing and pressed enter
[08:27] <cafuego_> Vespoli: is your sudo install setuid-root ?
[08:27] <omnibong> cafuego_: /var/logs/messages is report localhost kernel segfault errors
[08:27] <DaOne> hey can someone help me set up gimp?
[08:27] <DansFloyd> it says access denied... i have like 90 files in there...
[08:27] <cafuego_> omnibong: Yeah, that would be BAD.
[08:28] <Vespoli> cafuego, dunno ...
[08:28] <cafuego_> DansFloyd: Are they owned by root perhaps?
[08:28] <omnibong> cafuego_: what does that mean?
[08:28] <DansFloyd> i just nee to know the command to delete all files
[08:28] <cafuego_> Vespoli: ls -l /usr/bin/sudo
[08:28] <DansFloyd> in ternminal or konsol
[08:28] <Vespoli> k brb
[08:28] <cafuego_> omnibong: Basicallt the equivalent of a blue screen of death
[08:28] <Vespoli> -rwsr-xr-x  1 root root 93076 2005-07-07 05:44 /usr/bin/sudo
[08:28] <DaOne> plz can someone help me set up gimp??
[08:29] <cafuego_> DansFloyd: they're in ~/.Trash
[08:29] <omnibong> cafuego_: I only see 2 errors in /var/log/messages
[08:29] <nalioth> DaOne: how would you like to be helped?
[08:29] <DansFloyd> yeah, but what command do i use... rm *.*?
[08:29] <Madpilot> DaOne: Gimp should be installed by default for you
[08:29] <cafuego_> omnibong: How new is your machine, hardware wise?
[08:29] <cafuego_> DansFloyd: NO!
[08:29] <cafuego_> DansFloyd: rm *
[08:29] <cafuego_> DansFloyd: no dots.
[08:29] <DansFloyd> lol\
[08:29] <DansFloyd> ok
[08:30] <kevin06> That would be bad...
[08:30] <omnibong> cafuego_: I just installed a new abit av8 motherboard
[08:30] <cafuego_> DansFloyd: using *.* may include '..', which would be your homedir.
[08:30] <Vespoli> heh cafuego_ maybe this can help
[08:30] <DaOne> nalioth: well currently gimp boots into my ubuntu installation & i would like 2 set it up to boot into my m$ installation by default
[08:30] <Vespoli> Sorry, user adam may not run sudo on localhost.
[08:30] <cafuego_> Vespoli: Ha, yes.
[08:30] <Vespoli> :D
[08:30] <cafuego_> Vespoli: Do you have another user account?
[08:30] <Vespoli> ok so how can I fix that >:o
[08:30] <Vespoli> no I don't
[08:30] <DansFloyd> so just do rm *
[08:30] <DansFloyd> and that should wok
[08:30] <DansFloyd> work*
[08:31] <Myrtti> DansFloyd: errmmmmmm
[08:31] <Myrtti> say that again
[08:31] <Myrtti> you want it to do WHAT?
[08:31] <cafuego_> Vespoli: You need to get user 'adam' to be in the 'admin' group. Without a working sudo account, you'll need to reboot, choose 'Recovery' from the boot menu, then run 'adduser adam admin' and type 'exit'.
[08:31] <Myrtti> sorry, not you, DansFloyd
[08:31] <omnibong> cafuego_: you think that might be the problem?
[08:31] <Myrtti> DaOne
[08:31] <cafuego_> DansFloyd: yes. if not, run 'sudo rm *'
[08:31] <Vespoli> oooooh yes ty :D
[08:31] <DansFloyd> k
[08:31] <kevin06> ANybody know how I can get that xine menu back?
[08:32] <cafuego_> omnibong: I wonder if it might be too new for that kernel version. Give 5.10 a try.
[08:32] <locomorto> kevin06: I prefer to use totem-xine
[08:32] <Vespoli> woooah
[08:32] <locomorto> kevin06: You get the xine backend in totem
[08:32] <omnibong> cafuego_: ok, thanks
[08:32] <DaOne> yes, myrtti?
[08:32] <Myrtti> you want your Gimp to do what?
[08:32] <cafuego_> omnibong: it's nearly stable and runs OK on my amd64.
[08:32] <Madpilot> DaOne: you'll have to install the GIMP seperately in Windows - there is a Windows version
[08:32] <omnibong> cool
[08:32] <cafuego_> Though mine is well over a year old.
[08:33] <Vespoli> cafuego, how can I change myself to admin group w/o removing account ?
[08:33] <omnibong> cafuego_: did version 5.04 have issues with amd64?
[08:33] <cafuego_> Vespoli: By booting into recovery mode, then running that adduser command.
[08:33] <Vespoli> ah k
[08:33] <DaOne> madpilot: so there isnt a way to simply change the current settings?
[08:33] <cafuego_> omnibong: Not here, but then again, my hardware is probably 18 months other then yours.
[08:33] <omnibong> cafuego_: what motherboard do you have?
[08:33] <Vespoli> brb
[08:34] <cafuego_> omnibong: Gigabyte K8NS Pro (nForce3)
[08:34] <omnibong> cafuego_: hmmm...that's the nvidia chipset right?
[08:34] <Madpilot> DaOne: the Ubuntu version won't run on Windows, you'll have to do a seperate Windows install
[08:34] <cafuego_> omnibong: yep
[08:34] <DansFloyd> ok it deleted some of my files... but it wont delete some other files casue it says 'rm : cannot remove: is a directory'
[08:35] <Madpilot> DansFloyd: see "man rm" for info on removing directories
[08:35] <omnibong> cafuego_: my abit board has the via k8t800 pro chipset.  I wonder if that is the problem
[08:35] <cafuego_> DansFloyd: for each of those directories, run 'rm -rf <directoryname>'
[08:35] <cafuego_> omnibong: it shouldn't, that's old enough to be tried & tested.
[08:35] <DansFloyd> ok
[08:36] <userver> Hello to all!
[08:36] <locomorto> hey userver
[08:36] <DaOne> madpilot: yes.  i have 2 installations.  one is windows, the other is ubuntu.  gimp boots into ubuntu by default and has the option to boot into windows.  i just want to change windows to the default.
[08:36] <cafuego_> DaOne: gimp boots? Did you mean Grub?
[08:36] <DansFloyd> could i do 'rm -rf *'
[08:36] <locomorto> DaOne: gimp?
[08:36] <DansFloyd> ??
[08:36] <locomorto> DaOne: you mean grub?
[08:36] <userver> Hey locormoto.. jeje..
[08:36] <Madpilot> DaOne: you're talking about grub, not the gimp!
[08:36] <userver> This is my firts time here and my english is not very good
[08:36] <cafuego_> DaOne: Edit /boot/grub/menu.lst and change the number behind 'default' to the windows entry. note that entry #1 is 0.
[08:37] <DaOne> locomorto: yeah sry grub
[08:37] <locomorto> DansFloyd that would delete everything down from where you are
[08:37] <cafuego_> DansFloyd: yep
[08:37] <cafuego_> locomorto: he isn ~/.Trash (or should be)
[08:37] <DansFloyd> so is that a yes...?
[08:37] <cafuego_> DaOne: Alternatively, move the menu entry for windows to the top.
[08:37] <locomorto> yes
[08:37] <locomorto> As long as you in ~/.Trash
[08:38] <DansFloyd> ok
[08:38] <locomorto> Personally i just use the trash applet
[08:38] <DansFloyd> yeah :)
[08:38] <locomorto> right click empty trash
[08:38] <cafuego_> locomorto: that did apparently not work
[08:38] <DaOne> thanks cafuego_ & sry about the confusion madpilot
[08:38] <DansFloyd> i did that... it dosnt work
[08:38] <DansFloyd> :\
[08:38] <locomorto> odd
[08:38] <locomorto> Maybe you moved root stuff there
[08:39] <alexandros> chack who owns the files
[08:39] <DansFloyd> YAY it worked
[08:39] <locomorto> So did the rm -rF command work?
[08:39] <DansFloyd> thx!
[08:39] <locomorto> lol
[08:39] <locomorto> We typed at the same time
[08:39] <louisjohn> I need a mentor friend who would like to enjoy asisting someone who wants to learn linux and become a amazing producer to the welfare of linux
[08:39] <locomorto> Quick question, how do i get two commands to execute simultaniesoly?
[08:40] <louisjohn> I am useing ubuntu and am studing the wiki page
[08:40] <cafuego_> locomorto: 'foo & bar'
[08:40] <louisjohn> I would like someone to stand up to this minor task
[08:40] <louisjohn> someone with yahoo-msn or aol messenger to corespond witha newbe
[08:40] <Myrtti> why on yahoo or aol?
[08:40] <locomorto> cafuego_: thx
[08:40] <DaOne> cafuego_: i cant edit it.  :(  it says that i'm not the owner
[08:40] <Myrtti> why not IRC?
[08:40] <nalioth> louisjohn: just ask a question
[08:41] <locomorto> cafuego_: I got confused with &&
[08:41] <dhonn> what package do i install for a webcam?
[08:41] <louisjohn> ion what than
[08:41] <louisjohn> on what than
[08:41] <cafuego_> DaOne: Yes, you need to be root. use sudo.
[08:41] <louisjohn> irc chat
[08:41] <louisjohn> how bout u didnt catch what I said
[08:41] <cafuego_> dhonn: try camorama
[08:41] <DaOne> kk
[08:41] <louisjohn> read again
[08:41] <DaOne> cafuego_: thanks.
[08:41] <nalioth> louisjohn: this is a public ubuntu help channel
[08:42] <louisjohn> ok
[08:42] <limer> I installed ubuntu server to play with and would like it to look to a repository rather than the cdrom for all packages. what do I need to do?
[08:42] <Myrtti> hm, I don't have classes today but I think I'll go to school anyway, now that I've eaten my morning porridge
[08:42] <cafuego_> locomorto: Yeah, the single & backgrounds & continues.
[08:42] <nalioth> louisjohn: when we answer any question you may have, others may read and learn from the interaction
[08:42] <cafuego_> limer: Run apt-setup.
[08:42] <limer> ty
[08:42] <louisjohn> ok
[08:42] <nalioth> Myrtti: must be some porridge, to motiviate you like that
[08:42] <louisjohn> may
[08:42] <louisjohn> i just want to download music now
[08:42] <louisjohn> and some movies
[08:42] <cafuego_> limer: .. then pick some HTTP soruces. You may need to edit /etc/apt/sources.list and explicitly disable the CD sources.
[08:43] <Myrtti> nalioth: that or homework I haven't yet done
[08:43] <nalioth> louisjohn: your ubuntu system should contain all you need for those activities
[08:43] <NAJJAR> he you all what you can speak with lowo language
[08:43] <louisjohn> where are they
[08:43] <louisjohn> the bittorrent
[08:43] <Madpilot> locomorto: I use Muine now - which does do the systray thing - but I thought RythymBox did it too?
[08:43] <louisjohn> how do i work it
[08:43] <cafuego_> louisjohn: try google.
[08:43] <nalioth> louisjohn: look in Applications for internet applications
[08:44] <louisjohn> yea the gnome bittorrent
[08:44] <louisjohn> right
[08:44] <cafuego_> louisjohn: This is a support channel for specific problems, not a "hold my hand I can't click stuff by myself" channel.
[08:44] <locomorto> Madpilot: It has a tray thing, but you need to keep the main window open
[08:44] <louisjohn> hey cafuego
[08:44] <louisjohn> go fuck urself
[08:44] <louisjohn> asshole
[08:44] <louisjohn> talk to me like that again
[08:44] <Myrtti> what a lovely attitude
[08:45] <nalioth> definitely not a learning attitude
[08:46] <nalioth> locomorto: did you get your messages?
[08:46] <locomorto> which ones?
[08:46] <limer> cafuego, it wants me to define ftp (what I chose)  where might I find a list
[08:46] <nalioth> locomorto: about pinging whole channels
[08:46] <cafuego_> limer: It's not giving you a list of mirrors?
[08:47] <limer> cafuego, after I ran apt-setup, it prompted for cdrom
[08:47] <limer> which is what I was trying to avoid.  I cancelled and asked for location of packages
[08:47] <cafuego_> limer: *nod* Just exit apt-setup, we'll dio it the traditional way.
[08:47] <limer> I chose ftp
[08:47] <cafuego_> !repos
[08:47] <ubotu> I guess repos is at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto A list of official repositories can be found at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969
[08:47] <limer> cafuego, ok
[08:47] <qEx4z> hello
[08:47] <cafuego_> limer: Go to the pastebin ul ubotu just posted, replace your sources.list with its contents.
[08:48] <cafuego_> 'wget -c http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/d969'
[08:48] <airros> tae
[08:48] <airros> tae
[08:48] <volvoguy> hey folks, if louisjohn comes back, give him to me and i'll see what i can do. you use "offer direct client to client chat" to talk to someone one on one right?
[08:48] <airros> tae
[08:48] <cafuego_> limer: That will give you a current set of online repositories.
[08:48] <nalioth> volvoguy: he's gone for a while
[08:49] <nalioth> volvoguy: you are free to chat him up, tho
[08:49] <cafuego_> he changed his nick
[08:49] <cafuego_> I tried to ask him what he was going to threaten me with, but he'd already gone.
[08:49] <Myrtti> volvoguy: I'd prefer if you'd use retractable rubber baton instead of an IM-client on him
[08:49] <limer> hmm, now how to copy paste via ssh (putty)
[08:49] <cafuego_> limer: seelct = copy, middle-click = paste
[08:50] <Myrtti> or right-ear-click
[08:50] <Myrtti> (I call mouse buttons "ears")
[08:50] <Myrtti> sorry bout that ;-)
[08:50] <volvoguy> nalioth, ok. is that how you start a private chat though? i'm in a particularly good mood tonight.
[08:50] <limer> cafuego, can't see text pasted
[08:50] <Myrtti> /query or /msg
[08:50] <pc2> hi to all
[08:50] <Myrtti> /query <nick> or /msg <nick>
[08:50] <pc22> pls help me with this: http://kudos.berlios.de/kf/kisimlar/pkglist.html#samba
[08:50] <cafuego_> limer: odd... ought to work.
[08:50] <nalioth> volvoguy: you can /msg or /query any nick you like
[08:50] <Madpilot> volvoguy: and you're going to waste your good mood on that clown? Why? Gunning for sainthood? ;)
[08:51] <pc22> what does it mean with control center here: http://kudos.berlios.de/kf/kisimlar/pkglist.html#samba
[08:51] <cafuego_> volvoguy: NO! HELP ME FIX MY PROBLEMS INSTEAD! ME ME ME!
[08:51] <limer> it may have but I can't see the text.  let me try again
[08:51] <zxsykco> Ahoy!
[08:51] <cafuego_> sorry ;-)
[08:51] <volvoguy> it's like on the family guy when peter falls off the roof and spider man saves him and says "everybody gets one". :-)
[08:51] <pc22> what does it mean with control center here: http://kudos.berlios.de/kf/kisimlar/pkglist.html#samba because i cant find control center in KMenu
[08:51] <limer> cafuego, there we go.  odd
[08:51] <poningru> wtf is going on?
[08:52] <cafuego_> pc22: Try #kubuntu, they all use kde (or should)
[08:52] <AnatomyAnomaly> mometary lapse of reason
[08:52] <pc22> sorry
[08:52] <cafuego_> no problem
[08:56] <qEx4z> just installed breezy and i have a strange problem... all the glx screensevers works very slowly.... any one know some thingy about it ?
[08:56] <limer> cafuego, how do you select copy paste cli only?
[08:58] <Myrtti> graphics card driver
[08:58] <cafuego_> limer: I normally use 'screen' to do that in the console.
[08:58] <qEx4z> Myrtti,  i have installed it  =] 
[08:58] <Vespoli> I have LILO and want to install GRUB
[08:58] <Vespoli> how can I do this
[08:58] <cafuego_> limer: If not, install 'gpm'.
[08:59] <Vespoli> I don't even have grub.conf
[08:59] <limer> I installed screen just now :P
[08:59] <Vespoli> I apt-get install grub
[08:59] <cafuego_> limer: 'gpm' also does select, middle click
[08:59] <limer> don't know the capability you speak of
[08:59] <Vespoli> and got grub
[08:59] <Vespoli> just need to configure it
[08:59] <Vespoli> and I really just want to get into recovery mode
[08:59] <Vespoli> which lilo won't let me do :'(
[09:00] <cafuego_> limer: Ok. ctrl-a+ESC to go into command mode. Scroll to the start of the selection. hit space. scroll to the end of the selection, hit space. Selection done. hit ESC. Start editor. ctrl-a+]  to paste.
[09:00] <Vespoli> how can I configure grub?
[09:00] <emperon> how can i construct debian packages ?
[09:00] <limer> cafuego, ty.  I will test
[09:00] <cafuego_> Vespoli: hit tab at the lilo prompt, then run 'Linux single'.
[09:00] <Vespoli> it loads linux without user interaction
[09:00] <nalioth> emperon: for your machine or for distribution?
[09:01] <emperon> nalioth, if possible both
[09:01] <cafuego_> Vespoli: yes. Hold down a key when it boots
[09:01] <nalioth> emperon: for your own personal use, use "checkinstall" instead of "make install" when you compile
[09:01] <Vespoli> k
[09:01] <Vespoli> ty
[09:01] <locomorto> cafuego_: on my install it has to be esc
[09:01] <nalioth> emperon: for "Official" debian pkg manufacturing, see the debian.org website developers docs
[09:01] <limer> cafuego, crazy!  :D  thx
[09:01] <locomorto> but then again, im using breezy
[09:02] <emperon> nalioth, there's  no such thing like "checkinstall" in my comp
[09:02] <P-NuT> Hi all, when is the official release date for the new Breezy?
[09:02] <pc22> how do i enable samba?
[09:02] <trigger_ph> hello...can anyone point me to a UML authoring tool for linux?
[09:02] <nalioth> emperon: install it
[09:02] <Myrtti> 13th Oct
[09:02] <locomorto> trgger_ph: UML?
[09:03] <P-NuT> pc22: apt-get install samba
[09:03] <nalioth> emperon: ubotu loves you
[09:03] <volvoguy> emperon, i think it's in universe.
[09:03] <pc22> i have samba already
[09:03] <P-NuT> pc22: then edit /etc/samba/smb.conf
[09:03] <Madpilot> trigger_ph: what's UML?
[09:03] <trigger_ph> locomorto: yes..like IBM's rational rose and the ones available in Visio by M$
[09:03] <emperon> thx
[09:03] <P-NuT> pc22: you'll also need to add a user, you can do that with smbuseradd i think
[09:03] <trigger_ph> UML: Unified Modeling Language
[09:04] <locomorto> trigger_ph: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_UML_tools
[09:04] <pc22> is there a graphic version?  im a beginner
[09:05] <locomorto> trigger_ph: Look at the the gnome and mono projects
[09:05] <volvoguy> trigger_ph, the only thing in the repos related to UML is a library. Library for UML 1.4 metamodel. It could be used for constructing applciations
[09:05] <volvoguy> based on UML 1.4.
[09:05] <trigger_ph> locomorto: thank you! should i steer clear of java-deployed tools?
[09:06] <locomorto> Well, if you have Java installed then there fine
[09:06] <trigger_ph> volvoguy: are these libraries sufficient for database design?
[09:06] <locomorto> But Java apps use lots of memory, so if you can find a equivalent C/C++ application go for that instead
[09:06] <volvoguy> trigger_ph, i don't have a clue. i just did a search in synaptic for ya. :)
[09:06] <aurax> ubuntuguide.org is dead?
[09:06] <trigger_ph> locomorto: i don't have it at the moment..
[09:07] <locomorto> aurax: there still is a google cache of it
[09:07] <Madpilot> aurax: use wiki.ubuntu.com/UserDocumentation instead
[09:07] <aurax> how can i create directory linked ?
[09:07] <nalioth> aurax: long live http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UserDocumentation
[09:07] <aurax> so its dead?
[09:07] <trigger_ph> volvoguy: ah :) thanks for the heads up tho..
[09:07] <volvoguy> aurax, there's a mirror - http://www.frankandjacq.com/ubuntuguide/5.04/
[09:07] <locomorto> http://64.233.179.104/search?q=cache:oCNVrC8mgQ8J:ubuntuguide.org/+ubuntuguide&hl=en&client=firefox  :: for ubuntu guide
[09:07] <Myrtti> !ubuntuguide
[09:07] <locomorto> or use that
[09:07] <ubotu> I guess ubuntuguide is out of date, breaks PCs and doesn't explain anything. The official FAQ Guide, which is based on ubuntuguide will soon be the help menu in Breezy. For more information see !faq.
[09:07] <cafuego_> frigging WEIRD
[09:07] <Myrtti> or read that
[09:07] <volvoguy> :o)
[09:07] <aurax> nah it is working
[09:08] <aurax> WORKED
[09:08] <trigger_ph> ubuntuguide's been down since yesterday i think
[09:08] <locomorto> aggh
[09:08] <nalioth> volvoguy: arrrrgh!
[09:08] <locomorto> it wont talk to me ;(
[09:08] <volvoguy> a lot of it is't version specific... it's just handy tips. *shrug*
[09:08] <aurax> so dudes how can i create symbolic links to a directory
[09:08] <aurax> i forgot
[09:09] <volvoguy> nalioth, are you trying to kill ubuntuguide?
[09:09] <cafuego_> locomorto: It will if you don't start the commands in PRIVMSG with '!'
[09:09] <apsync> how can I kill a process?
[09:09] <locomorto> yeah just figured that out
[09:09] <locomorto> apsync killall <proccess name>
[09:09] <trigger_ph> apsync: kill -9 <process_id>
[09:10] <trigger_ph> hehe
[09:10] <locomorto> apsync ps -A displays a list of proccess and there process id
[09:10] <apsync> thank you, and how can I list all processes?
[09:10] <apsync> ah great :)
[09:10] <BasK> Hi, does anybody know how to change the kernel on a (breezy) livecd?
[09:10] <locomorto> I prefer using killall
[09:10] <locomorto> Oh, and sometimes you need to be root to kill a proccess
[09:11] <trigger_ph> yes..killall does the job nicely though..just be careful that u'r not on one when you do a killall
[09:11] <apsync> can't find gedit in the list, what can the name else be ?
[09:11] <apsync> n/m 'killall gedit' worked
[09:11] <BasK> apsync, ps axf|grep gedit
[09:11] <apsync> thank you
[09:11] <apsync> :)
[09:12] <limer> good ol grep
[09:12] <locomorto> Oh that reminds me, one time i did
[09:12] <locomorto> sudo apt-cache search dia | grep dia
[09:12] <locomorto> lol
[09:12] <BasK> *grin*
[09:12] <limer> :P
[09:13] <limer> only ~ 3hours til I can buy beer and be drunk in the mornin
[09:13] <locomorto> eh?
[09:13] <BasK> limer, birthday?
[09:13] <cyphase> limer, Happy Birthday :0
[09:13] <cyphase> :)
[09:13] <locomorto> You can only buy bear at certain times?
[09:13] <locomorto> And if its your birthday, Happy Birthday!
[09:13] <limer> thx guys, but not til nov.  just want to be drunk is all :D
[09:13] <cyphase> lol
[09:13] <BasK> :D
[09:14] <BasK> but does anybody have any experience with modifying an ubuntu livecd?
[09:14] <limer> BasK, very limited.  using synaptic :P
[09:14] <BasK> I can change the packages/kernel, it just uses the wrong kernel when booting
[09:15] <trigger_ph> i can't believe open-source UML tools (or any CASE tools for that matter) are offering code-generation features as well!
[09:15] <BasK> it uses /install/vmlinuz, which is cool, since there is no /install on the cd
[09:16] <limer> BasK, not sure what you're trying to do, but maybe you can pass parameter upon boot like you can with knoppix
[09:16] <limer> but this may not be the 'customization' you're looking fo
[09:17] <BasK> limer, I'm trying to boot from a different kernel
[09:17] <BasK> I need a livecd with a customized kernel for a project
[09:17] <limer> but you want to be able to customize of the fly?
[09:17] <limer> rather than recompiling the iso?
[09:18] <licadho> yello, anybody got a minute to solve a LILO mysterie?
[09:18] <[Wiebel] _> ask
[09:18] <bob2> don't use lilo
[09:18] <licadho> first hrm, how to we re-install lilo in the mbr using the install cd of breezy?
[09:18] <bob2> mystery solved
[09:18] <BasK> limer, recompiling the iso is no problem
[09:18] <licadho> bob2, thats the default configuration with breezy
[09:19] <bob2> really?
[09:19] <volvoguy> trigger_ph, i take it that's a good thing?
[09:19] <[Wiebel] > nothing wrong with lilo
[09:19] <[Wiebel] > what's the mistory
[09:19] <[Wiebel] > mystery even
[09:19] <BasK> limer, I've changed the installed kernel, which is now in /boot and the symlinks are correct as well
[09:19] <licadho> my problem is quite simple: lilo doesnt offer a menu to select with OS to boot with, and mysteriously erases my windows xp os entry
[09:19] <BasK> recompiled the iso, booted, different kernel
[09:19] <[Wiebel] > paste your lilo.conf in a paste buffer
[09:20] <BasK> it somehow boots from a kernel I cant even find on the cd
[09:20] <licadho> wiebel, I'll like to do that, but then I first need to reinstall LILO to access breezy :)
[09:20] <limer> BasK, not sure man.
[09:20] <trigger_ph> volvoguy: personally, quite the opposite..it would seem that open-source is advocating laziness as well..
[09:20] <BasK> limer, thanks anyway
[09:20] <[Wiebel] > licadho: use a boot cd/flop
[09:21] <limer> BasK, maybe groups.google.com
[09:21] <BasK> limer, I'll check that out, thanks
[09:21] <licadho> wiebel, I got my breezy install cd but I forgot the what to input when you have the boot: prompt
[09:21] <limer> BasK, yw.  nice to have a usenet archive handy
[09:21] <volvoguy> trigger_ph, interesting. not that i know anything about it. i was just curious about your exclamation. :)
[09:21] <bob2> licadho: so, it's not the default for breezy
[09:21] <bob2> according to two different ubuntu developers
[09:22] <licadho> bob2, according to my default installation (i.e. not selecting LILO or GRUB, just let it go), it installed LILO
[09:22] <bob2> licadho: are you sure yo udidn't just have lilo on the mbr before?
[09:22] <[Wiebel] > licadho: just boot the live cd
[09:22] <[Wiebel] > mount your install on /mnt
[09:22] <[Wiebel] > chroot /mnt /bin/bash
[09:22] <[Wiebel] > fix lilo.conf
[09:22] <[Wiebel] > run lilo
[09:22] <[Wiebel] > and your done
[09:23] <trigger_ph> volvoguy: hehe it was the last thing i expected to see from an open-source project :)
[09:23] <licadho> wiebel, hrm, any other options? I'm in Cambodia and it took like 3 days to download the install cd so I'm afraid running the live cd is not an option here :/
[09:23] <licadho> that means I have to re-install over the previously installed breezy, not that big of a deal, just thought we had more elegant ways to get around this problem
[09:23] <cafuego_> Wiebel: you forgot the 'bind mount /proc in the chroot' step
[09:23] <[Wiebel] > licadho: erm
[09:24] <[Wiebel] > boot root=/dev/hda1 ?
[09:24] <[Wiebel] > cafuego_: :>
[09:24] <[Wiebel] > licadho: try boot the cd and start with "ubuntu boot=/dev/hdaX
[09:24] <[Wiebel] > "
[09:24] <[Wiebel] > er
[09:24] <[Wiebel] > s/boot/root
[09:25] <cafuego_> licadho: You can also mount the harddisk from the install cd. Boot that, wait for it to get to the partition menu, then jump to console #2, mount the harddisk, mount proc, chroot... etc.
[09:25] <trigger_ph> brb
[09:26] <JairunCaloth> can a dvd be burned off of a ntfs hdd using the live cd?
[09:27] <licadho> cafuego, I follow you until that jump to console #2 :) mount the harddisk is quite simple. Mount proc? you lost me there, can you be a bit more specific (I've some linux background, just not used to terms)
[09:29] <licadho> wiebel, so when it says boot: I write 'ubuntu boot=/dev/hdaX' ?
[09:29] <vindya> #semarang
[09:29] <[Wiebel] > licadho: where X is the number of your partition
[09:29] <[Wiebel] > of course
[09:29] <[Wiebel] > licadho: and it's root=/dev/hdaX
[09:29] <licadho> btw, I'm surprised I got help as soon as I asked, thanks
[09:29] <[Wiebel] > not boot
[09:30] <licadho> wiebel, and that will load ubuntu, x, gnome, etc.?
[09:31] <[Wiebel] > that wil boot from /dev/hdaX
[09:31] <[Wiebel] > as you installed it
[09:31] <[Wiebel] > with errors
[09:31] <licadho> great
[09:32] <zakame> hello all
[09:32] <kuru> which nfs server should I get the user or kernel one?
[09:32] <BlueT_> hi :)
[09:32] <transgress> hasn't been many updates on breezy past couple days... i take it this means it's getting fairly stable then eh?
[09:32] <licadho> k I'll do that; whats the location for lilo.conf?
[09:33] <nalioth> licadho: /etc/
[09:35] <licadho> k ... oh while I think about it, do you think might problem with LILO erasing Windows OS entry + not offering menus at boot time has anything to do with the fact that I had to install breezy using those 'linux noapic nolapic' parameters ? otherwise it would simply hang there without getting to the installation screen
[09:35] <fek> moin
[09:37] <cafuego_> licadho: No. You can add a windows boot menu entry back in by hand anyway.
[09:38] <cafuego_> licadho: .. provided you don't tell ubuntu to use the entire disk and thus wipe windows.
[09:38] <aftertaf> hehe
[09:38] <cafuego_> (In which case it will indeed not detect it)
[09:40] <cafuego_> your keyboard seems to be typing in the wropng direction
[09:44] <Inf3ctedfx> Hello everyone, does anyone knows whats the name of the package for Java?
[09:45] <licadho> cafuego_, no wipping was involved ;) the strange thing is previously, I manualy added the windows partition in lilo.conf but he ignored it at boot time and removed the section afterwards...
[09:46] <ubuntu> hi
[09:46] <ubuntu> dam
[09:46] <limer> hmm, can't login into the samba server
[09:46] <Inf3ctedfx> !limewire
[09:46] <ubotu> methinks limewire is at http://ubuntuguide.org/#limewire ; or for a gtk-based P2P client that runs on the Gnutella network, try gtk-gnuttela
[09:48] <limer> cafuego, you here man?
[09:51] <cafuego_> limer: all teh time
[09:51] <limer> :P  you have any idea why I can't seem to login to samba on the other box?
[09:51] <cafuego_> licadho: You need to run 'lilo -v' after updating lilo.conf
[09:51] <limer> the default acct I use in ssh doesn't seem to work in network neighborhood
[09:52] <cafuego_> limer: Did you add a user account to samba via 'smbpasswd' ?
[09:52] <twibbler> so this may be an interesting ?. after the latest round of hoary updates .... quite a few of my settings got changed including the keyring ... has anybody else experienced this ?.
[09:52] <limer> :p no
[09:52] <cafuego_> limer: No, samba uses its own password file.
[09:52] <limer> ty
[09:52] <cafuego_> Also, it's "neighbourhood"
[09:55] <vladuz976> bob2: hey you helped me dissable gdm the other day, can you tell me how to enable it again?
[09:55] <cafuego_> vladuz976: edit /etc/X11/default-display-manager
[09:55] <limer> cafuego, british?
[09:55] <cafuego_> limer: Nah
[09:55] <limer> I have no idea what the old passwd is
[09:55] <limer> where is the file located that stores this info?
[09:56] <cafuego_> limer: You need to add a new user
[09:56] <vladuz976> cafuego_: i have only one dm installed. but gdm is disabled, i forget how i did that
[09:56] <limer> cafuego, how?
[09:56] <cafuego_> sudo smbpasswd -a username
[09:56] <onkarshinde> Is eclipse available for hoary?
[09:56] <cafuego_> vladuz976: 'rcconf' ?
[09:56] <cafuego_> !info eclipse hoary
[09:56] <cafuego_> onkarshinde: No.
[09:56] <vladuz976> cafuego_: maybe
[09:57] <jtan325> onkarshinde, it's in breezy
[09:57] <jtan325> and it's awesome
[09:57] <volvoguy> cafuego_, i didn't know you could do that. does that keep X from starting as well?
[09:57] <cafuego_> volvoguy: Do what?
[09:57] <volvoguy> cafuego_, editing the default-display-manager file.
[09:57] <onkarshinde> jtan325: I know it is awesome. I just wanted to decide whether to download from repos or from official site for hoary.
[09:57] <cafuego_> volvoguy: yeah, if you mess it up, X won't start.
[09:58] <volvoguy> cafuego_, cool! :)
[09:58] <limer> cafuego, so you need to have the user exist at the local OS level before you can create it for smbpasswd?
[09:58] <Kromonos> huhu
[09:58] <cafuego_> volvoguy: basically, etc/rc.d/*dm check the default-display-manager file to see if they should run.
[09:58] <cafuego_> LiIndeed
[09:58] <cafuego_> limer: Indeed.
[09:58] <limer> interesting.  ok
[09:58] <volvoguy> is there a better method for "usually don't run X, but may need to occasionally"?
[09:59] <cafuego_> limer: it's becausde windows passwd encryption uses a different algorithm from Linux; it thus needs to store the password differently. /etc/passwd has no space.
[09:59] <cafuego_> volvoguy: Disable it altogether and run 'startx' from the console when you want X.
[10:01] <pepperpot> I have a sempron 3000+ but in /proc/cpuinfo i don't see sse2. Does that mean my cpu does not have sse2?
[10:01] <Nermal> I guess
[10:02] <volvoguy> cafuego_, disable it by.... removing the relevant file in /etc/rc.d/?
[10:02] <pepperpot> so /proc/info is based on actually probing the cpu during bootup?
[10:02] <pepperpot> /proc/cpuinfo i mean
[10:04] <eran> hello. can some 1 help me set my home network?
[10:04] <eran> pls
[10:04] <Nermal> more info
[10:05] <eran> i have 2 computers 1 with ubuntu and 1 with xp
[10:05] <mrdeath> eran: sure
[10:05] <apsync> when I type "/proc/cpuinfo" it says command not found, but when I type "cat /proc/cpuinfo" it works fine, what kind of command is an does 'cat' ?
[10:05] <mrdeath> eran: and?
[10:06] <BasK> apsync, it outputs the contents of a file to your screen
[10:06] <apsync> oh
[10:06] <apsync> so my pc specs are saved in that file?
[10:06] <BasK> kinda
[10:06] <volvoguy> eran, how are your computers networked together?
[10:06] <apsync> I see, ok
[10:07] <BasK> "/proc" explanations are a bit more highend
[10:07] <BasK> if you want full info on your machine, install/use lshw
[10:07] <eran> I m new with linux and I have no idea how to share or view files throou the network
[10:08] <cafuego_> apsync: The files in /proc are not real files. Accessing them causes the kernel to print some run-time configuration data to the screen. Which data depends on which files you access.
[10:08] <eran> direct line
[10:08] <apsync> Oh..
[10:08] <cafuego_> apsync: others can be written to as well, allowing you to tweak the running kernel in real-time.
[10:08] <eran> no router
[10:08] <mrdeath> eran: you need samba or ftp server
[10:08] <apsync> cool
[10:09] <apsync> ok, thanks for the info
[10:09] <ndazza> hello!
[10:09] <eran> I downloaded smaba 3 but I dont know how to install it
[10:09] <mrdeath> eran: sudo apt-get install samba :)
[10:10] <cafuego_> eran: 'sudo apt-get install samba'. No dowmnlaoding of anything needs to be done by hand.
[10:10] <nalioth> eran: use synaptic to install
[10:10] <volvoguy> eran, they type faster than me. if you need an explanation, let me know. :)
[10:10] <eran> does it metter to where i downloaded it??>
[10:11] <volvoguy> eran, there is a tool called synaptic that downloads and installs the software automatically.
[10:11] <zakame> hi, back again
[10:11] <NilXu> if i was needing to get an older version of isolinux onto an ubuntu iso what would i have to do?
[10:11] <neoxan> hey
[10:11] <iandexter> hey zak
[10:11] <zakame> broken -mm
[10:11] <eran> ok
[10:12] <volvoguy> eran, in the top panel, click on "system > administration > synaptic package manager"
[10:12] <eran> it is runing nad?
[10:12] <neoxan> anyone using a geforce 2 gpu with breezy?
[10:12] <zakame> volvoguy, or apt-get
[10:12] <walde> It is really not important, but is there a way, to make the scrolling in the breezy bootup smoother?
[10:12] <cafuego_> neoxan: use the 'nvidia-glx-legacy' package.
[10:12] <eran> now what?
[10:12] <neoxan> yes, cafuego_, but i cant install it
[10:12] <cafuego_> Why not?
[10:12] <volvoguy> eran, just click on search and type the package name "samba".
[10:13] <volvoguy> eran, when you have it, right click and select install. then hit the apply button.
[10:13] <neoxan> it says it needs nvidia-glx but it will remove nvidia-glx-legacy if i install i
[10:13] <neoxan> tt
[10:13] <Magilla_> I have some customers who aren't so good with computers, but bought ubuntu and asked me to install it for them. We are having problems with the customers digital camera
[10:13] <eran> it is installed allready
[10:13] <cafuego_> neoxan: What says it needs nvidia-glx?
[10:14] <neoxan> the legacy package
[10:14] <volvoguy> mrdeath, that's all eran needs, isn't it?
[10:14] <cafuego_> neoxan: Okay, file a bug against it.
[10:14] <Myrtti> Magilla_: aaaaannnnnnnnddd? we're not telepathics, you know
[10:14] <eran> but istill cant c my other computer or use its printer
[10:14] <neoxan> what?
[10:14] <eran> and share the internet connection
[10:14] <transgress> is there a way to change which audio player gnome uses for it's key bindings setup?
[10:15] <volvoguy> eran, you're trying to use windows to share the internet connection?
[10:15] <cafuego_> neoxan: if it depends on it AND wants to remove it, you should file a bug against nvidia-glx-legacy, so it can be fixed.
[10:15] <neoxan> oh ok
[10:15] <shandar> grr.. this is driving me nuts now. how do I change the refresh rate? mine is stuck at 60 Hz but I know it supports up to 75 Hz..
[10:15] <eran> I tried
[10:16] <Magilla_> after I plug it in and turn it on, I have to *su* to the administrator account (first account created) and then sudo to mount the media.  If I turn the camera off and then back on again, it comes back as the next SD device and has to be remounted.  Does ubuntu have an automounter or something?
[10:16] <eran> my ubuntu computer has the connection and I want to share it with my xp
[10:16] <snausages> shandar System > Preferences > Screen Resolution
[10:16] <Magilla_> Myrtti: sorry, I hate typing on laptop keyboards; I'm a bit slow on them
[10:16] <emperon> take a look at and have fun: http://esr.ibiblio.org/index.208.html
[10:16] <volvoguy> eran, i think you are going to need someone more awake than i am for this one. :)
[10:17] <pc22> i lost my xp entry in grub after update to breezy? how do restore it
[10:17] <neoxan> cafuego_: i installed it with the nvidia package from the site (old one) now it says screen(s) found but no usable configuration?!
[10:17] <eran> is there any1 more awake then volvoguy in here?
[10:17] <cafuego_> pc22: System -> Administration -> Boot
[10:17] <volvoguy> :o)
[10:17] <limer> I don't think I need beer anymore
[10:18] <shandar> snausages, yeah, but I can only select 60 Hz in the list, that's the problem. I've edited the xorg.conf by increasing the HorizSync & VertSync quite a lot but it doens't help..
[10:18] <neoxan> limer, its 10 am
[10:18] <neoxan> o0
[10:18] <Myrtti> Magilla_: per default, there is not everything that needs administrator rights is done with sudo. Automounting should be on on the first user accound made (as it has the rights to automount) but you may want to adjust /etc/fstab accordingly.
[10:18] <volvoguy> eran needs some help with samba and maybe a proxy server. can someone help out?
[10:18] <snausages> shandar ahhh, im sorry i'm just a newb myself. ;\
[10:18] <cafuego_> Filthy liar! It's 18:19
[10:18] <Myrtti> sorry
[10:18] <shandar> snausages, allrigt :) thanks anyway!
[10:18] <limer> I should stay up and go get beer and go to bed drunk :D
[10:18] <pc22> thanks will boot and try
[10:18] <Myrtti> Magilla_: s/there is not//
[10:19] <limer> play a little wiz8 and bitch at my gadgeteer . . . pass out
[10:19] <shandar> Any Idesa? I can only select 60 Hz in the the screen resolution applet. I've edited the xorg.conf by increasing the HorizSync & VertSync quite a lot but it doens't help..
[10:19] <eran> my ubuntu computer has the connection and I want to share it with my xp. can some 1 help?
[10:19] <volvoguy> eran, someone will help eventually. i promise. it seems like we're having a shift change in here or something. : )
[10:19] <cafuego_> shandar: Did you restart X?
[10:19] <nalioth> shandar: have you run from a terminal "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" ?
[10:20] <shandar> cafuego, Yeah, I've done it quite a few times
[10:20] <shandar> nalioth, I've run it, didn't help
[10:20] <cafuego_> shandar; CRT or LCD?
[10:20] <Magilla_> Myrtti: so by editing the /etc/fstab I can make the devices automount for all accounts then?
[10:20] <shandar> cafuego, CRT
[10:20] <concept10> eran: Did you install Samba?
[10:20] <dade`> i need vlc on ubuntu breezy
[10:20] <Myrtti> Magilla_: if you add the correct parameters to it, I believe so yes.
[10:20] <eran> yep
[10:20] <concept10> eran: also, you should attempt to post how your computers are connected.
[10:20] <dade`> there are alternative working repositories ?
[10:21] <eran> throu a direct line
[10:21] <eran> no router
[10:21] <cafuego_> dade`: Nope, not until it's released afaik
[10:21] <dade`> mm ?
[10:21] <Inf3ctedfx> Ppl, I just install LimeWire, but I dont know where the executable is... how can I find out? I already try the command "whereis" but it wont show me anything
[10:21] <dade`> the old release ?
[10:21] <concept10> Inf3ctedfx: runLime.sh
[10:21] <Inf3ctedfx> thx
[10:22] <dade`> i just need a vlc.
[10:22] <shandar> dade, add the extra repostitories listed in the ubuntuguide.org, then install it through synaptic
[10:23] <shandar> dade`, add the extra repostitories listed in the ubuntuguide.org, then install it through synaptic
[10:23] <nalioth> shandar: ubuntuguide is poison
[10:23] <dade`> let's see
[10:23] <nalioth> !tell shandar about ubuntuguide
[10:23] <nalioth> !tell shandar about sources
[10:23] <[Wiebel] > !tell wiebel where to find the pot of gold
[10:23] <[Wiebel] > :>
[10:23] <[Wiebel] > 10:23 ubotu No, [wiebel] , I won't. (target invalid?)
[10:23] <[Wiebel] > hehe
[10:24] <dade`> ubuntuguide.org could not be found. Please check the name and try again.
[10:24] <dade`> WTF
[10:24] <shandar> nalioth, It has worked perfectly for me?
[10:24] <dade`> works ?
[10:24] <shandar> odd
[10:24] <Madpilot> dade`: wiki.ubuntu.com/UserDocumentation instead...
[10:24] <nalioth> shandar: if you are a brand new to *nix user, and follow the 'guide, you may kill your box
[10:24] <NilXu> i have an older box running suse 7.3 and want to put ubuntu on it (it meets all the system requirements), but it will not let me boot the ubuntu installer cd...  it will let me boot onto the suse 7.3 cd, but not knoppix either.  what is going on?
[10:25] <ghostdog_> can we be infected with virus or spywares here ?
[10:25] <shandar> nalioth, I am a brand new user! :-) And so far I've gotten almost everything to work
[10:25] <nalioth> ghostdog_: not on linux
[10:26] <nalioth> shandar: if you have any non official ubuntu repositories, i suggest you disable them immediately
[10:26] <dade`> i think url: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu
[10:26] <dade`> should be what i need
[10:26] <dade`> works also with breezy?
[10:27] <neoxan> when will breezy stable be released?
[10:27] <NilXu> BlueEagle: i have an older box running suse 7.3 and want to put ubuntu on it (it meets all the system requirements), but it will not let me boot the ubuntu installer cd...  it will let me boot onto the suse 7.3 cd, but not knoppix either.  what is going on?
[10:27] <nalioth> neoxan: oct 13
[10:27] <locomorto> neoxan: 6 months after hoary
[10:27] <neoxan> nice
[10:27] <neoxan> thats my birthday
[10:27] <neoxan> :D
[10:27] <shandar> nalioth, AFAIK all repositiories I have are on ubuntu servers
[10:27] <locomorto> lol
[10:27] <ndazza> happy birthday from the ubuntu team :)
[10:27] <locomorto> im on breezy now btw, and its quite stable
[10:27] <nalioth> shandar: compare with the list ubotu sent you
[10:28] <nalioth> shandar: using non official repos WILL cause trouble down the road
[10:28] <dade`> no
[10:28] <dade`> does not work for breezy
[10:28] <dade`> FFF
[10:29] <Magilla_> Myrtti: what is the correct way to add this new entry?
[10:29] <shandar> nalioth, I'll do that. Thanks for the warning!
[10:29] <Myrtti> Magilla_: sudo nano /etc/fstab is nice
[10:29] <nalioth> shandar: read the factoids ubotu sent you
[10:29] <twosharp> Seveas, could i please get a
[10:30] <Myrtti> Magilla_: http://www.tuxfiles.org/linuxhelp/fstab.html
[10:30] <heartzel21> hi!ctc!
[10:30] <twosharp> Seveas, could i please get an acccount on your repository so i can download java?
[10:30] <Myrtti> :-o
[10:30] <luite_> is it possible to get a list of installed packages, ordered by size?
[10:31] <Magilla_> Myrtti: man page says to put in the volume label or uuid rather than the block device, so if the device changes, it will still work
[10:32] <Myrtti> Magilla_: then do it by man
[10:32] <Myrtti> Magilla_: but the link I gave you explains the terms used pretty well
[10:32] <Magilla_> oh, I missed that
[10:32] <Magilla_> thanks
[10:33] <heartzel21> thhtj
[10:33] <heartzel21> ll.
[10:33] <ColonelKernel> theres no devfs support in the vanilla kernel like there is in ubuntu, and when I boot up it says it is trying to mount devfs over a temporary file system , is there any fix to this?
[10:33] <nalioth> twosharp: what programs do you want from seveas?
[10:36] <kairu0> hi. i am running breezy. can i delete ubuntu-desktop safely?
[10:37] <volvoguy> kairu0, it should be safe if breezy is installed ok.
[10:38] <nalioth> volvoguy: i hate spambots
[10:38] <volvoguy> kairu0, that metapackage just makes sure that everything gets installed properly initially.
[10:38] <kairu0> cool thnkx
[10:38] <twosharp> nalioth, java and adobereader
[10:38] <volvoguy> nalioth, what's goin' on that there's so many lately?
[10:39] <nalioth> volvoguy: lately? as in the last few weeks?
[10:39] <volvoguy> nalioth, yeah.
[10:40] <hermione> dsdsddssd
[10:40] <nalioth> twosharp: for now you can get the java from here (you must be running breezy) http://giannaros.org/tor/bt/
[10:40] <hermione> dsdsdds
[10:40] <BasK> Hi, does anybody know how to change the kernel on a (breezy) livecd?
[10:40] <twosharp> nalioth: thanks :) Im running breezy btw :)
[10:40] <nalioth> volvoguy: some group has a stupid amount of compromised boxen and has handed their evil spambot fleet a copy if mirc and let them loose upon the world
[10:41] <volvoguy> nalioth, great. the fifth graders attack.
[10:41] <nalioth> twosharp: seveas has bandwidth caps you see
[10:43] <twosharp> nalioth, ok, thanks.. but are there only bt-download? cause I'm setting up a computer at school, and all ports are blocked :s
[10:43] <nalioth> twosharp: for now that is all. Seveas will be around later, tho
[10:44] <nalioth> twosharp: you can't use an alternate port?
[10:46] <nalioth> volvoguy: note where the vast majority of the spambots come from
[10:47] <volvoguy> nalioth, .ro?
[10:48] <BasK> twosharp, I can get the torrent and put it online for you for now if you want
[10:48] <Magilla_> Myrtti: I added the new entry to /etc/fstab, and I can now manually mount the camera as a normal user.  Is there a way of setting it up to auto mount/umount? These people know nothing of the CLI, and I don't think they want to either
[10:48] <volvoguy> nalioth, i can't tell. (of course i'm drugged and half asleep). they seem to be all over.
[10:49] <tga> Magilla_, doesn't gnome automagically mount your camera?
[10:49] <Myrtti> Magilla_: auto allows automount, noauto disallows it
[10:49] <Magilla_> tga: no, it's not automounting
[10:49] <twosharp> BasK: that would be great :D
[10:49] <nalioth> volvoguy: just an observation
[10:49] <twosharp> nalioth, no, ive scanned everything and no ports where open...
[10:50] <Cossins> hey, is there a channel for breezy help questions?
[10:50] <nalioth> twosharp: there are ways to piggyback via port 80 (or so i've heard)
[10:50] <twosharp> nalioth, there was one tcp-port open though, but no udp..
[10:50] <nalioth> Cossins: you're in it
[10:50] <Magilla_> Myrtti: auto is set, but seems (from the link) to refer to either (1) auto detection of the filesystem or (2) automounting when the computerboots, depending on which column it is in fstab
[10:50] <tga> Cossins, knee-deep
[10:50] <BasK> twosharp, I see that you can download the file normally from ubuntu
[10:50] <Nameeater_> I have upgraded the X packages on Ubuntu that came up recently and now X/gdm die. I have dual monitors and it works with the older PCI card but when I try and use the NVIDIA it doesn't work, are there any fixes for this?
[10:50] <BasK> twosharp, http://se.releases.ubuntu.com/5.10/
[10:50] <Cossins> :-
[10:50] <Cossins> :_P
[10:50] <twosharp> nalioth, yes, ive heard it too.. but i don't have time/interest in that now..
[10:50] <Cossins> bleh
[10:51] <Viking667> evening, you lot.
[10:51] <Nameeater_> Hoary Ubuntu, not breezy for my Q
[10:51] <Nameeater_> ello Viking667  ;)
[10:51] <Cossins> anyways, X.org is being a bitch as usual...
[10:51] <Magilla_> is there a gnome setting for automounting?
[10:51] <twosharp> Bask: what about Breezy? i am currently running breezy preview..
[10:52] <BasK> twosharp, thats the latest one afaik
[10:52] <Cossins> Magilla_: that would be gnome-volume-manager something-something
[10:52] <twosharp> BasK: yes I know =) but what about the link http://se.releases.ubuntu.com/5.10 ?
[10:53] <nalioth> BasK: we are appreciative, but twosharp wants some custom debs for breezy
[10:53] <BasK> ah, sorry, wasnt reading correctly
[10:53] <pitti> Magilla_: System -> Preferences -> Removable Devices
[10:53] <pitti> Hi [Chameleon] 
[10:53] <nalioth> [Chameleon] : welcome
[10:54] <twosharp> BasK: =)
[10:54] <emperon> How can i hibernate my laptop when i close its lid ?
[10:54] <BasK> but maybe I can still help, just tell me what tottents to get
[10:54] <BasK> torrents
[10:54] <[Chameleon] > hi pitti, nalioth and the rest of you people
[10:55] <Magilla_> pitti: weird.  It's already set to automount
[10:55] <nalioth> twosharp: you want the 1.4 or .5 jre or sdk?
[10:55] <Magilla_> I wonder why it's not working...
[10:55] <twosharp> BasK: if you could please download the j2re1.5 from http://giannaros.org/tor/bt/ .. thanks a lot if you can do that :)
[10:55] <nalioth> twosharp: jre or sdk?
[10:55] <twosharp> nalioth, BasK: jre 1.5
[10:56] <twosharp> hehe
[10:56] <Cossins> oooh... is there a 1.5 jdk in anyverse?
[10:56] <BasK> twosharp, I'm on it
[10:56] <twosharp> :D
[10:56] <pitti> Magilla_: and it doesn't work? Please open a bug and do the debugging steps on wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingRemovableDevices
[10:57] <nalioth> Cossins: can you torrent?
[10:57] <Java_the_Hutt> Cossins, i think yes
[10:57] <Nameeater_> anyone had any problems with Hoary and NVIDIA dying after installing the recent X upgrades
[10:57] <Java_the_Hutt> How can i hibernate my laptop when i close its lid ?
[10:57] <Cossins> cool...
[10:57] <bob2> ColonelKernel: why?
[10:58] <bob2> Java_the_Hutt: that's a bad idea
[10:58] <BasK> twosharp, 10 mins
[10:58] <Cossins> but anyways... how to fix the latest "could not find default font 'fixed'" FontPath hell?
[10:58] <Java_the_Hutt> bob2, why is that so ?
[10:58] <Magilla_> pitti: not it doesn't work, but I'm assuming that's because it shows up as an SD device (currently sdf1)
[10:58] <ColonelKernel> bob2, because I like them!
[10:58] <nalioth> Cossins: you can get breezy java pkgs here (for now) http://giannaros.org/tor/bt/
[10:58] <pitti> Magilla_: that should be fine, most removable devices show up as SCSI
[10:59] <bob2> Java_the_Hutt: because it takes quite a while to happen; do you want to not be able to move it for that period? or what if you accidentally close it, you can't do anything until it finishes and resumes
[10:59] <ColonelKernel> bob2, I like having more options I guess
[10:59] <Nameeater_> Cossins: are you using the nvidia drivers?
[11:00] <ColonelKernel> its fun to play w the kernel
[11:00] <ColonelKernel> teaches me more about linux
[11:00] <Cossins> Nameeater_: yup
[11:00] <Java_the_Hutt> bob2, accidentally ? I could excidentally push the turn of button
[11:00] <Nameeater_> I'm wondering if thats breaking things, I get errors further up in my Xorg log
[11:00] <bob2> Java_the_Hutt: which does nothing by default, either
[11:01] <twosharp> Bask: thanks again =)
[11:01] <bob2> Java_the_Hutt: anyway, look in /etc/acpi/events/ if you really think it's a good idea
[11:01] <Cossins> Nameeater_: does that make any difference at all for the FontPaths? :-S
[11:02] <ColonelKernel> bob2, any idea when breezy might move to a 2.6.13+ kernel?
[11:02] <bob2> haha
[11:02] <bob2> never
[11:02] <ColonelKernel> why never?
[11:02] <bob2> because breezy is very deep in freeze
[11:02] <Vespoli> hmmm why does xmms crash :o
[11:02] <bob2> Vespoli: are you using el dodgo nvidia drivers?
[11:02] <Vespoli> nop
[11:03] <osfameron> bob2, Java_the_Hutt: I like sleep on close lid too.  I always get bad tempered when I reopen and realize it's run out of juice unlike a Win/Mac laptop
[11:03] <Vespoli> standard ATI radeon
[11:03] <Nameeater_> Cossins: I have no idea, but thats what I reckon is crashing my X when I try and use the nvidia drivers ;)
[11:03] <ColonelKernel> but theyre coming out with a new linux-source every week or so, just more 2.6.12's though
[11:03] <Vespoli> well, erm, the xorg free stuff
[11:03] <bob2> ColonelKernel: if you have a really reason for wanting 2.6.13, you can file a bug asking whatever change you care about be backported
[11:03] <bob2> ColonelKernel: yes, which only contain bug fixes
[11:03] <Nameeater_> I also get those font path errors
[11:03] <bob2> osfameron: sleep != suspend to disk
[11:03] <Vespoli> *** glibc detected *** double free or corruption (out): 0xb6a12738 ***
[11:03] <Cossins> Nameeater_: I see the NVIDIA logo, and then it crashed with the FontPath message
[11:03] <Java_the_Hutt> How can i hibernate my laptop when i close its lid ?
[11:03] <osfameron> bob2: ah
[11:03] <bob2> Java_the_Hutt: as I said, /etc/acpi/events/
[11:04] <osfameron> bob2: what's the difference between sleep and hibernate?
[11:04] <ColonelKernel> bob2, it would require a LOT of work cause they take out devfs support, and that is evidently important to ubuntu kernels
[11:04] <Java_the_Hutt> sorry ok
[11:04] <Vespoli> how can I get xmms to work ?@
[11:04] <Nameeater_> I see the logo then it crashes and I don't catch anything, it then retries to load 2 more times, and when I look at the logs I have Font errors at the bottom
[11:04] <osfameron> all I want is a) not drain battery, b) start where I left off when I reopen
[11:04] <Vespoli> sleep
[11:04] <Nameeater_> further up I have (EE) NVIDIA(0): errors, maybe you should see if you have them too?
[11:04] <Vespoli> don't hibernate, its still unstable
[11:05] <Vespoli> :o
[11:05] <osfameron> so...
[11:05] <Java_the_Hutt> even in Breezy ?
[11:05] <bob2> osfameron: sleep shuts down most things and just keeps the ram running, so you can com eback to life in ~5s or so.  suspend to disk saves everything to swap, then powers the whole machine down.
[11:05] <osfameron> How can i sleep my laptop when i close its lid ?
[11:05] <bob2> osfameron: the former needs hardware support, the latter does not
[11:05] <bob2> osfameron: 19:03:58           bob2 | Java_the_Hutt: as I said, /etc/acpi/events/
[11:05] <osfameron> ok, just checking was same for sleep :-)
[11:05] <bob2> Vespoli: if it doesn't work for you, please file a bug
[11:05] <bob2> Java_the_Hutt: it works for lots of people
[11:05] <bob2> but is indeed broken on some machines
[11:05] <Vespoli> erm , I don't have much info here ........
[11:06] <osfameron> I've poked around in /etc/acpi/events a bit, got kinda confused.  Is there a documented overview somewhere?
[11:06] <Java_the_Hutt> bob2, that reminds me the famous murphy laws
[11:06] <Belutz> bob2: how do I test the ACPI on my notebook?
[11:06] <tga> methinks the polymer qt theme should be included with Ubuntu
[11:06] <Vespoli> i.e., I have no idea how to give the core dump, etc.
[11:06] <Vespoli> bob2,
[11:06] <bob2> Vespoli: there's no core to dump
[11:06] <tga> to make Skype & co look nice in Gnome
[11:06] <bob2> Vespoli: disable DPMS blanking in /etc/default/acpi-support, file a bug using whatever info you can see
[11:06] <Vespoli> :P I mean I dunno how to file a bug report
[11:06] <bob2> Belutz: what part of it?
[11:06] <Vespoli> k
[11:07] <bob2> Vespoli: bugzilla.ubuntu.com
[11:07] <bob2> osfameron: the acpi-support package has no docs in the usual place?
[11:07] <Belutz> bob2: suspend to disk and suspend to ram
[11:07] <bob2> Belutz: suspend to disk has nothing to do with acpi; sudo /etc/acpi/hibernate.sh
[11:08] <bob2> Belutz: suspend to ram requires your hardware to be sane, sudo /etc/acpi/sleep.sh
[11:08] <bob2> Belutz: also, wiki.ubuntu.com/HoaryLaptopTesting and wiki/LaptopTestingTeam
[11:08] <tga> should I add a feature request as a bug?
[11:10] <BasK> twosharp, http://edison.luon.net/~bas/sun-j2re1.5_1.5.0+update04_i386.deb
[11:10] <osfameron> bob2: there's not a great deal in /usr/share/doc for acpi nor acpi-support.  No man acpi-support, and man acpi is about the client command
[11:11] <osfameron> I'm sure it's documented somewhere, I'll search wiki
[11:11] <twosharp> BasK: thanks :D you're the best!
[11:11] <bob2> oh well
[11:11] <bob2> each script in /etc/acpi/events/ gets called for a particular event
[11:11] <BasK> twosharp, np
[11:11] <bob2> the names are pretty self-evident
[11:11] <tga> bob2, I'd like to suggest Ubuntu packages and includes the polymer QT theme as the default to make QT apps fit in with Clearlooks.. should I add that as a bug?
[11:11] <bob2> you can modify what they do
[11:11] <Belutz> bob2: ok, i'll try that
[11:12] <bob2> tga: wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU, first get it into Ubuntu at all
[11:12] <ColonelKernel> i dont know how to wake my system back up out of sleep
[11:12] <ColonelKernel> it sleeps ok though
[11:12] <bob2> ColonelKernel: suspend to ram or suspend to disk?
[11:12] <ColonelKernel> bob2, ram - i havent messed with disk yet
[11:12] <ColonelKernel> in windows I just hit enter
[11:12] <Java_the_Hutt> bob2, i saw that there's a lid.sh file to be prepared for the action
[11:12] <bob2> closing and opening the lid might do it
[11:13] <bob2> or it might be hung
[11:13] <bob2> Java_the_Hutt: yes
[11:13] <osfameron> bob2: yes, I got that far, but then you have to work out what to put is lid.sh
[11:13] <ColonelKernel> its a desktop system
[11:13] <osfameron> it seems to just mess about with the screensaver by default
[11:13] <bob2> osfameron: no, in /etc/acpi/event/lidbtn
[11:13] <osfameron> and it has an uncommented if else block, one part of which is presumably lid up, the other lid down
[11:13] <bob2> dude
[11:13] <bob2> 19:11:40           bob2 | each script in /etc/acpi/events/ gets called for a particular event
[11:13] <osfameron> bob2: yes, lidbtn calls lid.sh :-)
[11:14] <bob2> osfameron: yes, so change it to call something else
[11:14] <bob2> e.g. /etc/acpi/sleep.sh
[11:14] <bob2> assuming you've made sure sleep works reliably
[11:14] <osfameron> ah, except, presumably lidbtn gets called both on close and open?
[11:14] <ColonelKernel> bob2, so I need to look at /etc/acpi/resume.sh?
[11:14] <osfameron> yeah, sleep works fine, ta
[11:15] <bob2> osfameron: good point, you'll need to hack lid.sh
[11:15] <bob2> (my apologies, I haven't looked at it in ages)
[11:15] <bob2> ColonelKernel: the hardware has to wake up before the acpi scripts get to run
[11:15] <bz0b> hey guys
[11:15] <apsync> each time I edit and save a document, my text editor makes backup.txt~, how do I turn this off?
[11:15] <ColonelKernel> yeah i gotta figure out the key for that in linux I gues
[11:15] <bob2> that's editor specific, of course
[11:15] <ColonelKernel> any hints?
[11:16] <bob2> that sounds a lot more like it isn't going to wake up
[11:16] <tombs> hi ppl
[11:16] <ColonelKernel> agreed
[11:16] <bob2> lid close and open doesn't work?
[11:16] <Madpilot> what's the command to background an app that you've started via the terminal?
[11:16] <bz0b> god damn, I have the worst hangover from last night right now.
[11:17] <bob2> Madpilot: %1&
[11:17] <bz0b> I honestly don't remember one thing I even did last night
[11:17] <[Chameleon] > bz0b: and you think we care?
[11:17] <bz0b> haha
[11:17] <[Chameleon] > bz0b: go drink some coffee
[11:17] <Madpilot> bob2: I thought it was Ctrl+<something>?
[11:17] <bz0b> I do remember coming in IRC, just don't remember what I was saying
[11:18] <ColonelKernel> bz0b, the best cure for a hangover is oxygen
[11:18] <Java_the_Hutt> bob2, sorry for the delay what should i write in that  file in order to commence the hibernate
[11:18] <bz0b> Well then being on the shitter right now isnt giving me the best oxygen.
[11:18] <bob2> Madpilot: ctrl-z suspends it
[11:19] <bob2> Java_the_Hutt: you really think it's a good idea?
[11:19] <bob2> Java_the_Hutt: it's pretty non-trivial, too; you need to edit /etc/acpi/lid.sh
[11:19] <nalioth> bz0b: you are probably not gonna want to come back. i have detailed logs of your activities.
[11:19] <Belutz> bob2: if i tested my notebook, can i add it to wiki?
[11:19] <bz0b> nalioth: huh?
[11:19] <Java_the_Hutt> bob2, HELL YES!
[11:19] <bz0b> nalioth: what are you talking about? what did I say?
[11:20] <ColonelKernel> nalioth, someone gotta drinkin problem in here or something?
[11:20] <kairu0> since i upgraded to breezy, i cant reboot (although i can shut down). where should i start troubleshooting this?
[11:20] <nalioth> bz0b: when you are sober, you may read the /topic here and see what you did
[11:21] <bob2> Belutz: yes, that would be good
[11:21] <Java_the_Hutt> bob2, hope you never design a GUI otherwise we would see, "are you sure you wanna quit ?, are you really sure you wanna quit?, really ?" lol
[11:21] <bz0b> ColonelKernel: I think if anyone were to drink a whole bottle of Absolute Vodka and half a bottle of bacardi superior in a 10 minute frame would seem to have a drinking problem too
[11:21] <bob2> Java_the_Hutt: okiedokie
[11:21] <bob2> good luck then
[11:21] <Belutz> bob2: ok :D
[11:21] <ColonelKernel> bz0b, how big bottles?
[11:22] <bz0b> nalioth: I am sober now, just have a horrible hangover, anyways, so I just do what to read topic?
[11:22] <ColonelKernel> I gotta assume pints because youd be dead as a doornail if you did that with fifths
[11:22] <bz0b> the absolute was i think almost a gallon, and the superior was like a liter
[11:22] <bz0b> Not too sure, have to go look
[11:22] <nalioth> bz0b: go to bed, and we'll see you later
[11:23] <osfameron> yay, sleep seemed to work, though on opening the screen blanked and had to Ctrl-Alt-F7 to view login, guess I need to add something to wakeup part
[11:23] <bz0b> nalioth: I had gone to bed, and now I just woke up, I couldn't sleep
[11:23] <ColonelKernel> bz0b, well pardon me for saying so, but you are a f*****g liar.
[11:23] <bob2> osfameron: hm, it should run chvt for you
[11:23] <bob2> osfameron: you can probably crib the right bit from the old lid.sh
[11:23] <osfameron> bob2: oh, I just added a call to sleep.sh within the old lid.sh
[11:24] <BasK> twosharp, let me know when you finish the dl ok?
[11:24] <bz0b> ColonelKernel: I am not sure if its exactly a whole gallon, but maybe a little less, and actually no, I am not lying, it would be pointless to lie to a chatroom full of people I would never meet in real life, why would I need to ly?
[11:24] <ColonelKernel> bz0b, for attention
[11:25] <ColonelKernel> if you drank a gallon of vodka in 10 minutes you'd be dead.
[11:25] <bob2> if you drank a gallon of vodkay in a night you'd be dead
[11:25] <bz0b> Not with a 320 pound body weight to back it up.
[11:25] <bob2> or in a coma
[11:25] <apsync> what package do I need to play .wmv files?
[11:25] <bob2> apsync: /msg ubotu restricted
[11:25] <fredric> Hi.. Extream newbie alert but.. How do I install Java and W32codecs on Ubuntu.. I've tried UbuntuGeeks script on the forum, but that seems somewhat broken..
[11:25] <Cossins> mplayer-custom or whatever...
[11:25] <ColonelKernel> no bz0b even with a 320 pound body weight, you'd be dead as a doornail.
[11:26] <bob2> fredric: /msg ubotu restricted
[11:26] <ColonelKernel> bob2, a gallon of vodka in 10 minutes is pushin daisies
[11:26] <nalioth> bz0b: go to sleep, friend and come back here in a couple of days
[11:26] <bz0b> Would you like to explain to me then why I have 2 empty bottles downstairs then
[11:26] <Viking667> oh - time for bed. Night, all.
[11:26] <ColonelKernel> bz0b, get a life.
[11:27] <bob2> anyway
[11:27] <nalioth> bz0b: you and ColonelKernel are offtopic, please use #ubuntu-offtopic
[11:27] <ColonelKernel> nalioth, dont include me in on it please - he's ignored.
[11:29] <bz0b> nalioth: I will see ya in a few days, this is getting out of hand man, see ya soon.
[11:29] <Seveas> fredric, unfortunately they both got removed from hoary-extras
[11:29] <Seveas> are you running hoary or breezy?
[11:31] <CrashBox> hey all, ne1 know of an mp3 media player software that supports archived file formats?
[11:31] <mcphail> When we all dist-upgrade in October, will our existing W32codecs still work?
[11:31] <Magilla_> pitti: it's working much better now, thanks. However, my screwing around has had side-effects. There are now 4 icons on the desktop ( Camera, camera(2), camera(3), and camera(5) ) and gnome won't let me delete them
[11:31] <fredric> Seveas, Im running Hoary..
[11:31] <Magilla_> how do I get rid of them?
[11:32] <nalioth> mcphail: they should
[11:32] <Seveas> fredric, java -> http://ubuntu.tower-net.de  w32codecs -> http://www.mplayerhq.hu
[11:32] <b-movie> hi, what about the w32codecs? why they disappeared?
[11:32] <pitti> Magilla_: it seems that there are five partitions on the camera. Please open a bug, do "lshal > lshal.txt" and attach lshal.txt to it
[11:32] <fredric> Seveas Thanks a bunch!
[11:33] <CrashBox> Magilla_: are deleting as root?
[11:33] <bob2> CrashBox: "archived file formats"?
[11:33] <Magilla_> CrashBox: no
[11:33] <CrashBox> yeah, like rars, zips, etc
[11:33] <Seveas> b-movie, we're not the hoary-extras maintainers; we don't know :)
[11:33] <Magilla_> pitti: they are on the desktop whether the camera is attached or not
[11:33] <CrashBox> Magilla_: try deleting from command line using sudo
[11:33] <bob2> CrashBox: I'd hope not
[11:33] <b-movie> okay, sorry. but maybe its due to some drm-stuff?
[11:33] <bob2> compressing mp3 files is silly
[11:33] <pitti> Magilla_: ouch; however, it comes from the camera, so please open a bug
[11:33] <apsync> how can I get wma2 codec?
[11:33] <CrashBox> i used to use foobar2000 on windows and it would play mp3 from archived files
[11:34] <bob2> b-movie: because no one has any right to distribute them
[11:34] <ColonelKernel> arent they already compresssed?
[11:34] <Seveas> apsync, w32codecs :)
[11:34] <bob2> ColonelKernel: yes
[11:34] <CrashBox> bob2: it helps keep things more organized
[11:34] <Inf3ctedfx> hello people
[11:34] <bob2> CrashBox: how?
[11:34] <Magilla_> pitti: I assume it has to do with me mounting and not umounting the camera before unplugging it multiple times
[11:34] <Inf3ctedfx> question: i can't play mp3's on XMMS, any suggestions
[11:34] <thenuke> bob2: I think that he packs the up as one big packages ;)
[11:35] <apsync> "ubotu: Install w32codecs from the hoary-extras repository." <-- what does he mean :P
[11:35] <thenuke> bob2: not like compressing them file by file
[11:35] <pitti> Magilla_: ah, yes, that makes sense
[11:35] <Seveas> Inf3ctedfx: To make xmms or beep-media-player actually play things, change the audio output plugin to eSound
[11:35] <CrashBox> i dont like to have a bunch of files scattered about, instead, i just rar them up, and have 1 file for a whole allbum
[11:35] <Magilla_> pitti: is it safe to sudo del them?
[11:35] <pitti> Magilla_: if you mounted it with "sudo mount" or whatever
[11:35] <Seveas> apsync, he's a liar (or actually his info needs to be updated)
[11:35] <pitti> Magilla_: not del
[11:35] <Magilla_> ah
[11:35] <Magilla_> ok
[11:35] <Seveas> apsync, hoary or breezy?
[11:35] <pitti> Magilla_: sudo umount ...
[11:35] <bob2> oh god, rar
[11:35] <bob2> that's even worse
[11:35] <apsync> breezy
[11:35] <Seveas> apsync, then wait a few seconds
[11:36] <CrashBox> thats what i used originally
[11:36] <apsync> Ok :)
[11:36] <Inf3ctedfx> how do i change the audio output on XMMS Seveas ?
[11:36] <bob2> please don't increase the badness of the world by using rar
[11:36] <Seveas> Inf3ctedfx, open the preferences (ctrl p), go to plugins, output plugin
[11:36] <Java_the_Hutt> osfameron, solved your problem ?
[11:36] <CrashBox> bob2: what do u suggest then?
[11:36] <CrashBox> just leaving them extracted?
[11:36] <bob2> CrashBox: a "directory"
[11:37] <bob2> CrashBox: it's like a .rar, but not some stupid proprietary format, and usable by every tool o nyour system
[11:37] <max_> quit
[11:37] <Seveas> rar is nice (compression-wise) but the proprietary-ness sucks
[11:37] <nalioth> Seveas: bzip2 is nice that way
[11:37] <Seveas> indeed
[11:38] <bob2> I bet .rar cannot beat rzip
[11:38] <Inf3ctedfx> Seveas: got a message said couldn't open audio
[11:38] <osfameron> Java_the_Hutt: well, I got it to sleep, I'll worry about the finer points of waking up later :-)
[11:38] <bob2> also, "compresing" mp3s is pointless
[11:39] <Seveas> kinda...
[11:39] <CrashBox> isnt 7zip best compressionb?
[11:39] <Java_the_Hutt> osfameron, in deed you check out the /etc/acpi
[11:39] <zenrox> no it ant bob2  just makes it easer to transfer
[11:39] <zenrox> lol
[11:39] <Seveas> zenrox, how on earth does that make it easier?
[11:39] <bob2> CrashBox: no
[11:39] <zenrox> one big file
[11:39] <bob2> zenrox: wtf
[11:39] <zenrox> not 20
[11:39] <bob2> fine, I adumit
[11:39] <zenrox> lol
[11:39] <zenrox> lol
[11:39] <Java_the_Hutt> osfameron, you will see the scripts written ther all you have to do go to /etc/acpi/events/lid.sh and change the lid.sh to hibernate.sh
[11:39] <bob2> if you're a warez kiddy with too much time on your hands, rar is clearl ythe solution
[11:39] <xukun> my desktop switcher is not starting anymore. how can I start it manualy? I,m using Breezy
[11:40] <bob2> if you want to play your damn music, use a directory
[11:40] <CrashBox> well, if u can do both, y not
[11:40] <Seveas> xukun, rightclick on the panel, select add to panel, select the desktop switcheer
[11:40] <osfameron> Java_the_Hutt: ah.  I thought that would hibernate (as you wanted) rather than sleep (my preference) ?
[11:40] <Java_the_Hutt> i love linux because of that power. You could even turn off your refrigirator when you turn off the lid
[11:40] <bob2> I want to make an island
[11:40] <bob2> and put all the people who use rar on it
[11:41] <osfameron> the acpi stuff isn't very well documented that I can see
[11:41] <Magilla_> pitti: w00t.  Got them
[11:41] <Magilla_> thanks
[11:41] <zxsykco> Ha!
[11:41] <Seveas> bob2, and then rar-compress the island I guess? :)
[11:41] <Java_the_Hutt> osfameron, no need for documentation
[11:41] <osfameron> it's ok for me as I *can* grok shell scripts (though by and large I'm too lazy to bother)
[11:41] <osfameron> Java_the_Hutt: eh?  In an ideal world, it would be gui-editable, or be a config file (and even that should be documented)
[11:41] <Inf3ctedfx> hey guys another question: slave harddrive that was running on WIN partition how do i access files
[11:41] <bob2> osfameron: yes, there have long been plans for some actual ui for it, but it seems no one has had time to implement it
[11:41] <osfameron> if you have to edit shell scripts, it should be documentable
[11:42] <bob2> Inf3ctedfx: /msg ubotu ntfs
[11:42] <Java_the_Hutt> osfameron, well that's the linux world, if you want power
[11:42] <bob2> osfameron: I think gnome-power-manager is the current dealy
[11:42] <osfameron> bob2: ta
[11:42] <Inf3ctedfx> !ubotu ntfs
[11:42] <ubotu> ntfs is, like, the (N)(T) (F)ile(S)ystem, the filesystem normally used under Windows XP.  To automatically mount your NTFS partition/s, you can use this utility: http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/files/winmac_fstab . It handles HFS+, NTFS and FAT32 partitions.
[11:43] <Java_the_Hutt> osfameron, suppose that you really want to turn off your refrigrator when you turn off the lid. What gui would allow this ? But shell scripts does!
[11:43] <osfameron> Java_the_Hutt: yeah, but this is Linux for Human Beings, no?  I like the pointy clicky stuff too, because then I can spend my brainpower grokking the stuff I actually need instead
[11:43] <transgress> dist-upgrade is trying to install a linux-image-386... i don't even have a 386 installed... only k7... how i can i tell it not to?
[11:44] <transgress> nm
[11:44] <bob2> it's "Ideally we would be for human beings, but due to the amount of work involved, we're currently only for human beings who like defaults or are happy to dig deeper and change things themselves."
[11:44] <transgress> i found the problem
[11:44] <Inf3ctedfx> does anyone knows which line do I have to add under my fstab??
[11:44] <Java_the_Hutt> bob2, totally agree
[11:44] <Inf3ctedfx> to access to my slave HDD?
[11:44] <nalioth> Inf3ctedfx: read the file ubotu pointed you to
[11:44] <bob2> Inf3ctedfx: did you read what the bot said?
[11:44] <xukun> I,m getting the warning "Show Deskop" has quit unexpectedly. I can choose "Don't reload or reload"
[11:44] <desplesda> you guys know if it's possible to get the update manager to limit its download rate?
[11:44] <Inf3ctedfx> I'm reading that bob2
[11:45] <bob2> desplesda: run it under trickle
[11:45] <Inf3ctedfx> but it wont help me at all that document
[11:45] <Java_the_Hutt> but what osfameron wants is to use linux as his daily routine, he might not want to be a rocket scientst for a god damn lid button
[11:45] <osfameron> can't see gnome-power-manager in synaptic, I'll google for it later, thanks &
[11:45] <bob2> desplesda: (or run apt or aptitude or synaptic under it)
[11:45] <desplesda> bob2:  trickle being a package?
[11:45] <bob2> osfameron: breezy
[11:45] <bob2> desplesda: yes
[11:45] <desplesda> bob2:  thanks
[11:45] <bob2> Java_the_Hutt: yes, ubuntu is not ready for those people yet
[11:45] <osfameron> bob2: but it's getting very close :-)
[11:45] <Java_the_Hutt> there's a better reason for that
[11:45] <osfameron> I'd say it's pretty much ready for a desktop
[11:46] <osfameron> and just really not there yet for laptop
[11:46] <Java_the_Hutt> current multimedia support out of box!!
[11:46] <xukun> is there some kind  of howto for installing all the multimedia staff for Breezy?
[11:46] <Java_the_Hutt> no average user would use Ubuntu because of that
[11:46] <bob2> Java_the_Hutt: that's your responsibility
[11:46] <bob2> Java_the_Hutt: ubuntu cannot change the laws in your country, sorry
[11:46] <bob2> xukun: /msg ubotu restricted
[11:46] <nalioth> xukun: read your ubotu msg
[11:47] <ghostdog> is Breezy any good ?
[11:47] <Java_the_Hutt> bob2, laws ?
[11:48] <nalioth> ghostdog: of course it is
[11:48] <bob2> Java_the_Hutt: ubuntu cannot ship divx or mp3 mpeg or etc support because various countries forbid it
[11:48] <Java_the_Hutt> bob2, this has nothing to do with laws. My country - Turkey - isn't interested with software patents at all. But for example i am still unable to run VCD's with my computer here
[11:49] <Magilla_> watching quicktime movies on totem is very unpleasant - very jerky.  Anyone know why this would be?
[11:49] <bob2> Java_the_Hutt: I'm pretty sure the mp3 patent is valid in turkey nonetheless
[11:49] <athlon> Java_the_Hutt, lowest common denominator in law
[11:49] <Java_the_Hutt> see
[11:49] <nalioth> Magilla_: newer version of qt then linux supports?
[11:49] <bob2> Java_the_Hutt: and there's nothing stopping you making your own version of ubuntu that includes things that you think are legel in turkey
[11:49] <Java_the_Hutt> lol :)
[11:50] <Inf3ctedfx> Seveas: do u remeber how can i access to my slave HDD? from linux?
[11:50] <bob2> Inf3ctedfx: dude
[11:50] <Java_the_Hutt> Ubuntu, Java_the_Hutt versiyon (in Turkish) lol
[11:50] <Magilla_> nalioth: I was thinking drivers, but it could be...
[11:50] <bob2> Inf3ctedfx: read. what. the. bot. says.
[11:50] <Inf3ctedfx> bob2: bot said anything
[11:50] <osfameron> I've never understood why you can't reverse engineer something that will play .mp3 format.  How can the format itself be patented?  Oh well...
[11:51] <athlon> cos Fraunhofer created it, so its their proprietary format ?
[11:51] <Inf3ctedfx> and i'm not really good on linux
[11:51] <bob2> Inf3ctedfx: then ask it again
[11:51] <Inf3ctedfx> how can i ask it?
[11:51] <Java_the_Hutt> EU has rejected the software patents recently  hasn't they ?
[11:51] <nalioth> Inf3ctedfx: the bot sent you a link. follow it and read it
[11:51] <Java_the_Hutt> hasn't it
[11:51] <shai__> errr... who should I talk to about being banned from this channel for now reason?
[11:51] <elwood> hi all
[11:51] <bob2> osfameron: fraunhoffer claims that any implementation of an mp3 encoder or decoder violates their (effectively) maths patents
[11:51] <Inf3ctedfx> I didnt see it can I get it again?
[11:51] <Java_the_Hutt> shai__, me too!
[11:51] <bob2> osfameron: there's lots of Free software that can do it, it's just that using it or distributing it can violate the patent
[11:51] <nalioth> shai__: ask your question
[11:51] <bob2> !tell Inf3ctedfx about ntfs
[11:52] <shai__> a fried of mine woke up this morning to find out that he's banned
[11:52] <elwood> i have strange net problem with ubuntu...someone have 5 min of his time?
[11:52] <osfameron> ah, because of the compression technology involved
[11:52] <Java_the_Hutt> nalioth, some people banned from this channel for no reason
[11:52] <Java_the_Hutt> including me
[11:52] <athlon> EU  reject soft patents as a whole, but most of its member country have their own patent / copyright laws
[11:52] <Java_the_Hutt> Suse guys hacked this channel!  lol
[11:53] <nalioth> shai__: was your friend drunk or of nasty disposition?
[11:53] <Magilla_> reverse-engineering is illegal in most western countries
[11:53] <shai__> nope
[11:53] <bob2> Magilla_: not strictly true
[11:53] <Java_the_Hutt> nalioth, don't say that, happened to me too
[11:53] <shai__> he was upgrading his system all night long
[11:53] <bob2> most explicitly allow it for interoperability
[11:53] <shai__> and when he woke up in the morning he was banned
[11:53] <bob2> even the us
[11:53] <Inf3ctedfx> bob2: it said: Your windows and mac partitions will now be mounted everytime   I dont have  Mac
[11:53] <bob2> Inf3ctedfx: ...
[11:53] <bob2> Inf3ctedfx: then ignore it
[11:54] <Java_the_Hutt> How can i fasten my boot up process especially "Configuring network interfaces" ?
[11:54] <bob2> fix your network config
[11:54] <Inf3ctedfx> alright
[11:54] <bob2> that stage only takes a long time if your dhcp server is crap or unavailable
[11:54] <djp> hi. can anyone tell me if it is a known issue with the default music player (rhythmbox), to cut off the end of a track, if that track normally blends into the next? for example, Jeff Wayne's War of the Worlds is a good example. tracks fade into the next and the album is pretty continuous, however under rhythmbox, tracks end abruptly and the next track then begins...
[11:54] <elwood> i configured the net but when i do an apt-get upgrade the box lose all the setting of router and eth0...
[11:54] <Inf3ctedfx> there is any other document will help me to mount my HDD??
[11:54] <Magilla_> is it safe to install the linux drivers supplied by nvidia on ubuntu?
[11:55] <nalioth> shai__: are you sure he was banned or just not able to join for another reason?
[11:55] <osfameron> yeah, booting up offline always takes a while
[11:55] <bob2> Inf3ctedfx: dude
[11:55] <shai__> yep
[11:55] <bob2> Magilla_: why not use the ones in ubuntu?
[11:55] <bob2> Inf3ctedfx: just do what the bot said
[11:55] <nalioth> Java_the_Hutt: shai__: this channel is locked down sporadically to preven spambot interference
[11:55] <shai__> unless the line "can't join #ubuntu (banned)" does'nt seem unambiguous to you
[11:55] <Magilla_> bob2: they don't stay current forever...
[11:55] <b-movie> the network configuration tool of gnome is buggy. better look at /etc/network
[11:55] <shai__> he can't join as we speak
[11:56] <nalioth> shai__: most bans are lifted every 24 hours (unless you've done something VERY nasty, in which case, the ban may stay a while)
[11:56] <Magilla_> damn, I'm going to be late for volleyball
[11:56] <Magilla_> again
[11:56] <Magilla_> bye, and thanks all!!
[11:57] <b-movie> and delete the "interfaces~". on my pc it was keeping the wrong values
[11:57] <shai__> nalioth, could you please just unban him? His nickname is H0lyD4wg, and he's online rigt now so you can get all the details you need
[11:57] <Seveas> hmm, did we ban holyd4wg?
[11:57] <Seveas> probably a spambot-ban-victim
[11:58] <nalioth> shai__: he doesnt show banned under his current info
[11:58] <bob2> he/she does not appear to be banned
[11:58] <bob2> recently, anyway
[11:58] <osfameron> there doesn't seem to be an acpi event for "Oh, crap, I'm about to run out of juice!"
[11:59] <shai__> I asked him to try again, he said "12:58 -!- Cannot join to channel #ubuntu (You are banned)"
[11:59] <bob2> osfameron: yeah, which is odd
[11:59] <shai__> here we go :)
[11:59] <shai__> thanks, bye
[12:01] <nalioth> i do not like this random nick changing behavior
[12:01] <Java_the_Hutt> bob2 fixing of my network config ?
[12:01] <nalioth> it has been goin on for a while today
[12:01] <bob2> so
[12:01] <bob2> I really hate that "almost a question" thing
[12:01] <chrissturm> guys, whats a good gnome app that converts from a dvd to mpeg4?
[12:01] <nalioth> chrissturm: dvdrip
[12:01] <bob2> a) don't direct questions directly to me, b) ask an actual question
[12:01] <Java_the_Hutt> bob2, ok sorry
[12:02] <b-movie> Java_the_Hutt: look at /etc/network , dont use the gnome-tool
[12:02] <Java_the_Hutt> bob2,typically what should i do to configure my network to overcome such problems
[12:02] <xukun> anybody know if the ubuntuaddon.zip will also work for Breezy?
[12:02] <Java_the_Hutt> b-movie, ok thx
[12:02] <thenuke> hmm what is ubuntuaddon.zip
[12:02] <Seveas> xukun, it will not
[12:02] <srv4nt> just got mplayer installed, video works but audio doesnt.  system audio works fine, what mite the problem be?
[12:02] <Seveas> just like it does not work on hoary
[12:03] <bob2> Java_the_Hutt: if you're not going to be plugged in at boot, don't have "auto eth0" in /etc/network/interfaces
[12:03] <bob2> srv4nt: pkill esd, try ahain
[12:03] <b-movie> Java_the_hutt: on my system there were 2 files: "interfaces" and "interfaces~". the second had wrong values, i deleted it and then it worked
[12:03] <xukun> Seveas, it doesn't
[12:03] <xukun> ?
[12:03] <srv4nt> what was that bob2?
[12:04] <bob2> a suggestion
[12:04] <srv4nt> translate plz
[12:04] <Java_the_Hutt> b-movie, bob ok thx
[12:04] <locomorto> Out of curisoity does anyone know where the lkl package in the repository places its keymaps files?
[12:04] <bob2> b-movie: editing blah~ will not help
[12:04] <locomorto> I compilied my own copy, but it would be nice to know for future reference
[12:04] <dealt> hello
[12:04] <bob2> srv4nt: ...
[12:04] <bob2> srv4nt: "pkill esd" is a command to run
[12:05] <b-movie> but deleting ;-)
[12:05] <srv4nt> ookay
[12:05] <dealt> is there a log file for apt that i can monitor?
[12:05] <Seveas> locomorto, dpkg -L lkl
[12:05] <locomorto> Seveas: thx
[12:05] <bob2> dealt: no
[12:05] <maradong> dealt, if you are using aptitude, I think that it keeps a log somewhere
[12:05] <maradong> dealt, i am not sure though
[12:05] <bob2> dealt: that's actually reason #4553 why you should use aptitude instead of apt-get
[12:05] <Seveas> /var/log/aptitude maradong ;)
[12:06] <az[a] zel> hey does the evolution "Junk" button actually do anything other than move it to the junk folder? (i.e., does it learn what's spam and autodetect it)
[12:06] <dealt> bobt: i guess i'll have to goole aptitude, thanks :)
[12:06] <maradong> Seveas, thanks ;-) It's like the most obvious place to look for, right? :)
[12:06] <dealt> s/bobt/bob2
[12:06] <bob2> dealt: it's already installed
[12:06] <Seveas> az[a] zel, only if you install spamassasin
[12:06] <Seveas> maradong, sort of
[12:06] <maradong> Seveas, :)
[12:06] <hyper> l
[12:06] <Seveas> m
[12:07] <talios> anyone done dvd ripping on ubuntu?  what package provides subtitle2vobsub?
[12:07] <az[a] zel> Seveas, will it automatically pick up spamassassin? Or is some complicated configuration required? :D
[12:07] <hyper> Hello, I have troubles installing my nvidia card on Breezy, somebody could help me?
[12:07] <talios> n/m
[12:07] <Seveas> az[a] zel, all autmoagically
[12:07] <Seveas> subtitleripper: usr/bin/subtitle2vobsub
[12:08] <creart> Hi all. How do i remove write protection on a usb harddisc ??
[12:08] <Seveas> creart, probably it has some sort of write protection switch
[12:08] <Seveas> or an ntfs filesystem in which case the answer is: you can't
[12:09] <creart> darn... then thats it
[12:09] <hyper> Hello, I have troubles installing my nvidia card on Breezy, somebody could help me?
[12:09] <Seveas> !nvidia
[12:09] <ubotu> methinks nvidia is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia
[12:09] <creart> so i have to format the harddrive to use my HD?
[12:09] <nalioth> creart: if you want to write to it
[12:09] <H0lyD4wg> Gtk and Firefox use Cairo for font rendering on Breezy, right?
[12:09] <Seveas> if you want to write to it from linux either do that or buy the paragon ntfs driver
[12:10] <Java_the_Hutt> bob2, what do you mean by "pluggin in at the boot"
[12:10] <creart> k... thx
[12:11] <bob2> Java_the_Hutt: ethernet
[12:11] <bob2> anyway, whatever, good luck
[12:11] <hyper> well my problem is I dont have linux-restricted-modules installed, cant install them thru Synaptic because they are just not avaible
[12:11] <Java_the_Hutt> bob2, i usually use my wireless and i am not pluggin in anything
[12:12] <Java_the_Hutt> neah
[12:12] <locomorto> hyper: sudo apt-get install xorg-driver-nvidia
[12:12] <Seveas> hyper, enable the 'restricted' section then
[12:13] <locomorto> Can ubuntu do WPA-SPK?
[12:13] <Seveas> and simply install linux-686 (intel) linux-k7 (amd) or linux-ppc (apple)
[12:13] <Seveas> locomorto, yes, but it's not easy
[12:13] <hyper> how can I do that? enable restricted section
[12:13] <locomorto> Seveas are there any plans to add it?
[12:13] <locomorto> Seveas using WEP and MAC filtering is very weak
[12:13] <[LethAL] > Wow... the guys in #fedora are retards
[12:14] <Seveas> locomorto, plans enough but no code
[12:14] <locomorto> lol
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[12:14] <Seveas> [LethAL] , they use fedora, what did you expect....
[12:14] <[LethAL] > I'm using at the moment, but I'm still helping people here ;)
[12:14] <locomorto> fedora is the place where all the bad sides of the linux community seems to collect
[12:15] <hyper> after doing sudo apt-get install xorg-driver-nvidia
[12:15] <hyper> , that file couldnt be found
[12:15] <maradong> [LethAL] , so, what makes you say they are retards? On what point can you fix your argumentation ;-)
[12:15] <nalioth> fedora stories work best in #ubuntu-offtopic
[12:15] <maradong> locomorto, hey, what about gentoo :) after all they are the cause of the global warming, not those poor cars :p
[12:15] <locomorto> hyper: enable the restricted repos
[12:15] <locomorto> maradong: lol
[12:15] <maradong> nalioth, you're right ;-)
[12:16] <hyper> locomorto, how do I do that?
[12:16] <b-movie> locormoto: synaptic, "wpasupplicant"
[12:16] <locomorto> b-movie: thx
[12:17] <locomorto> hyper
[12:17] <locomorto> !repositories
[12:17] <ubotu> rumour has it, repositories is probably at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto A list of official repositories can be found at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969
[12:17] <dave> Hi all, ive just started to muck around with ubuntu been a madrake user for a few years but still see myself as a newbie. i need some guidance regarding my inability to see my ms drives please
[12:17] <nalioth> !tell dave about ntfs
[12:18] <dave> thanks
[12:18] <nalioth> Seveas: see what i mean about the random nickchange spambots?
[12:19] <Seveas> dave: Download and run http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/files/winmac_fstab to make your windows and mac partions mount automatically
[12:19] <Seveas> nalioth, yes
[12:19] <locomorto> Seveas: already done ;)
[12:19] <nalioth> somebody is up to no good
[12:19] <ghostdog> does any1 know how to create a bot on IRC for evil reasons heheheh
[12:19] <Seveas> ghostdog, no
[12:19] <apsync> :/
[12:19] <nalioth> ghostdog: sure thing, /msg ubotu help
[12:19] <KillerKiwi2005> is it possible to turn the thumbnails frame off for a mimetype ?
[12:19] <[LethAL] > ghostdog, try sudo apt-get install blootbot ;)
[12:20] <[LethAL] > ghostdog, ubotu = blootbot
[12:20] <Seveas> KillerKiwi2005, don't want pr0n thumbnails heh? ;)
[12:20] <[LethAL] > LOL
[12:20] <locomorto> The one thing I hate about wireless security is that it is fools gold
[12:20] <KillerKiwi2005> Seveas, :) no got frames around images with transparent backgrounds looks naff
[12:21] <[LethAL] > locomorto, Get my router, it hides itself (no, not the SSID, itself) from scans
[12:21] <Seveas> wireless security is an oxymoron
[12:21] <clem_yeats> Hi, is there a web page that explains the codenames of Ubuntu releases ??
[12:21] <er4z0r> Seveas: do you have any plans to move your repository of freenx to a server with better availability?
[12:21] <osfameron> weird, nautilus can't get access to my default keyring
[12:22] <Seveas> er4z0r, yes
[12:22] <osfameron> and isn't accepting my normal password for it
[12:22] <locomorto> [LethAL]  So kismet can't see it O.o
[12:22] <Seveas> but I'm figuring out how to rsync it :)
[12:22] <locomorto> [LethAL]  what router
[12:22] <[LethAL] > locomorto, WMR-G54
[12:22] <nalioth> er4z0r: plans are in the works
[12:23] <er4z0r> ok, thank you for your work
[12:23] <angelus1969> I have installed 5.04 on an AMD 64, it installed properly, but if I reboot, I see GRUB and a flickering cursor and then nothing
[12:24] <bong> hi
[12:24] <ColonelKernel> +r is registered users only, right?
[12:24] <Seveas> yes
[12:24] <nalioth> ColonelKernel: correct
[12:24] <nalioth> it's about time for the daily bot swarm
[12:25] <er4z0r> nalioth: ?
[12:25] <hyper> ok did the repos... thing, but still cant find the proper linux-restricted-modules for my kernel version (2.6.12.8))
[12:25] <lesshaste> anyone know of plans relating to releasing a 64 bit firefox for linux?
[12:25] <lesshaste> or why it can't be done?
[12:25] <er4z0r> nalioth: having troll-bots in here?
[12:25] <Seveas> there is no 2.6.12.8
[12:25] <Seveas> it's 2.6.12-8
[12:25] <nalioth> er4z0r: you'll need to identify to nickserv if you want to come back in the immediate future
[12:25] <Seveas> (yes, that is a big difference
[12:25] <Seveas> )
[12:25] <hyper> true
[12:25] <hyper> failed in -
[12:25] <ColonelKernel> Linux p4ht 2.6.12-8.13 #1 SMP Mon Sep 19 14:31:40 PDT 2005 i686 GNU/Linux
[12:26] <nalioth> er4z0r: yes, there has been a major spambot incursion the last few weeks
[12:26] <nalioth> hyper: type /msg nickserv help and identify yourself
[12:26] <angelus1969> I have successfully installed 5.04 x64 on an AMD64, but now it won't boot, it goes to the GRUB and then a flickering cursor and the system hangs
[12:26] <angelus1969> anyone any ideas?
[12:27] <nalioth> angelus1969: the liveCD work?
[12:27] <Buddha|> I am interested in installing Ubuntu on a 2004 iBook.  Does anyone know of any problems/hardware not supported/etc.?
[12:27] <angelus1969> nalioth, yes the live cd works
[12:27] <nalioth> Buddha|: only the airport extreme
[12:28] <Buddha|> nalioth - that doesn't work?
[12:28] <nalioth> Buddha|: but that is not limited to apple. it's a broadcom issue
[12:28] <nalioth> Buddha|: everything works except APX
[12:28] <Seveas> broadcom is 't4h 3v1L'
[12:29] <[LethAL] > My router is broadcom-based
[12:29] <[LethAL] > And has USB
[12:29] <[LethAL] > EVIL!
[12:29] <Seveas> asus?
[12:29] <Seveas> or linksys?
[12:29] <nalioth> angelus1969: does grub hand off control to the kernel?
[12:29] <locomorto> Buffalo
[12:29] <[LethAL] > Buffalo ;)
[12:29] <jc-denton> anybody here into swsuspend?
[12:29] <angelus1969> nalioth, can you explain that please? :)
[12:30] <[LethAL] > Seveas, I don't think he wants it
[12:30] <Seveas> hmm, a nucket may be more useful
[12:30] <Seveas> bucket*
[12:30] <siimo> anyone using gnome 2.12? every once in a while i click on the gnome menu and also when my system first boots into gnome it seems to want to connect to my sftp bookmark i have in nautilus - why would it want to do this?
[12:30] <locomorto> I am
[12:30] <nalioth> angelus1969: grub is a bootloader. it accepts machine control from the bios and hands off control to the operating system kernel it has been told to
[12:31] <[LethAL] > So am I, afaik
[12:31] <[LethAL] > :P
[12:31] <ColonelKernel> hmph - firefox is now taking an awfully long time to start
[12:31] <angelus1969> nalioth, yes I understand that
[12:31] <ColonelKernel> I didnt do a damn thing to it either
[12:31] <angelus1969> nalioth, but how can I check what you asked me :)
[12:31] <nalioth> angelus1969: if grub is handing off to the kernel, it is a kernel issue
[12:32] <[LethAL] > Does anyone know why I get loads of "sed: Unsupported Command: I"'s when I boot? Might it be that which is stopping USplash from working?
[12:32] <nalioth> angelus1969: if grub is malfunctioning, it's a grub issue
[12:32] <angelus1969> nalioth, how can I tell?
[12:32] <nalioth> angelus1969: the only way i know is this: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows
[12:32] <Seveas> angelus1969, does it say 'Uncompressing linux, ok... booting the kernel'
[12:32] <angelus1969> nalioth, noooooo, it doesn't get that far
[12:32] <angelus1969> it's just the first word from the first line, GRUB
[12:33] <Seveas> that's a grub issue
[12:33] <nalioth> ah
[12:33] <Seveas> reinstall grub per the wiki instructions
[12:33] <nalioth> angelus1969: follow the URL i sent
[12:33] <clem_yeats> any idea about Ubuntu codenames ??
[12:33] <nalioth> clem_yeats: Stinky Skunk is down the road a ways
[12:33] <enyc> clem: I dont know what you mean
[12:33] <angelus1969> nalioth, but there has never been windows on this system
[12:34] <angelus1969> only other linux'es
[12:34] <nalioth> angelus1969: the instructions will repair your grub
[12:34] <clem_yeats> I mean, is there some explanations about the Ubuntu releases codenames ? (Warty, Hoary ...etc)
[12:34] <zxsykco> Gray or white with or as if with age...
[12:34] <angelus1969> nalioth, ah okay, will try
[12:34] <nalioth> angelus1969: sometimes it doesnt take windows to bodger a perfectly good machine
[12:34] <Seveas> clem_yeats, there is somewhere deep down in the mailinglist archive
[12:35] <nalioth> clem_yeats: ultimately, they come from Mr. Shuttlesworth
[12:35] <freeza> im trying to compile a vanilla kernel.org kernel, 2.6.13 but i am getting a kernel panic cannot load vfs root error after the compile
[12:36] <Seveas> freeza, correct your initrd/initramfs to include the modules you need or compile them into our kernel.
[12:37] <angelus1969> nalioth, I thought those occasions were very rare ;)
[12:38] <freeza> ohh
[12:38] <freeza> how do i exactly go about doing that?
[12:38] <Seveas> read the kernel compilation manual...
[12:38] <Myk3> go fuck ur self
[12:39] <freeza> i have the kernel comp howto
[12:39] <Live> hello~
[12:39] <nalioth> Seveas: i love lag
[12:39] <Live> How use root account at Ubuntu 5.04?
[12:39] <Seveas> Live, not
[12:39] <nalioth> !tell Live about root
[12:39] <Seveas> you shouldn't need it
[12:39] <Seveas> and when you need root provoleges, use sudo
[12:40] <bigfoot1> hello
[12:40] <vladuz976> why do debian ppl always talk bad about ubuntu?
[12:40] <Seveas> vladuz976, ask them...
[12:40] <locomorto> because we stole the userbase
[12:40] <locomorto> well not really
[12:40] <Live> I use sudo, but it need password ^
[12:40] <thoreauputic> vladuz976: they don't all, you know
[12:40] <nalioth> vladuz976: but wear a firesuit when you do
[12:41] <locomorto> We just made something that was exciting
[12:41] <bigfoot1> Does anybody know a good media player for streaming audio? My goal is to able to control playback (pause, go back, go forward).
[12:41] <vladuz976> Seveas, i did, but didn't get a good answer
[12:41] <nalioth> Live: your  user password is what it wants
[12:41] <Seveas> vladuz976, then they don't have a good answer :)
[12:41] <locomorto> !tell Live about sudo
[12:41] <bigfoot1> streaming audio = streaming wma, real audio stream, etc
[12:41] <savanna_cat> i all
[12:41] <savanna_cat> hi all
[12:41] <nalioth> howdy
[12:41] <b-movie> bigfoot1: vlc
[12:42] <Seveas> forward/back/pause goes against the concept of streaming...
[12:42] <vladuz976> Seveas, they said it's better, and i said, i haven't had any trouble with it yet, so no reason to change
[12:42] <savanna_cat> On Redhat boxes, network drivers are aliased using /etc/modprobe.conf eg alias eth0 tulip Where's the equivalent on Ubuntu?
[12:42] <bigfoot1> b-movie, thank you. I have that. How do I get the webbrowser ( i use galeon) to open streaming audio to VLC?
[12:42] <savanna_cat> It's not in /etc/modules or
[12:42] <savanna_cat> /etc/modprobe.d/*
[12:43] <bigfoot1> Seveas, I think streaming audio is all about not needing to download the whole audio file for playback. I think also it's used for stuff that the transmitter doesn't want others to copy.
[12:43] <b-movie> bigfoot1: for gaeon i dont know. for firefox there is a alc-plugin. perhaps it works on all geckos
[12:44] <Seveas> savanna_cat, it should be in /etc/modprobe.d/*
[12:44] <ompaul> a happy Tuesday to you all
[12:44] <nalioth> bigfoot1: edit your mimetypes
[12:44] <b-movie> bigfoot1: vlc-plugin of course :-)
[12:44] <Seveas> hi mr. O'malley
[12:45] <bigfoot1> nalioth, how do i edit mimetypes
[12:45] <bigfoot1> ?
[12:45] <Live> eh..what the default root password ? if it saved...
[12:45] <Seveas> there is none...
[12:46] <Myrtti> !root
[12:46] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, root is disabled in Ubuntu, you can read all about it on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo
[12:46] <Seveas> read the wikipage someone gave you
[12:46] <larsrohdin> Hi, Im just trying the firewall firestarter, and I was wondering one thing. If i start it and then close it, is it still active?
[12:46] <Myrtti> yes
[12:46] <Seveas> larsrohdin, yes
[12:46] <Seveas> it is started during boot
[12:46] <nalioth> bigfoot1: i'm not sure on the proper procedure, did someone mention the vlc-plugin?
[12:46] <Seveas> the gui is merely a fronend to change the rules
[12:46] <bigfoot1> how do i do vlc-plugin for galeon?
[12:46] <savanna_cat> seveas, thanks. But a grep eth * doesn't turn up anything (??)
[12:46] <larsrohdin> ok thanks, because I couldn't see it anywhere... ok, then I know. Is it any good?
[12:47] <Myrtti> savanna_cat: prolly because its eth0?
[12:47] <ompaul> Seveas, less of the Mr :)
[12:47] <thoreauputic> larsrohdin: seems to work well, yes
[12:47] <[A] ndy80> hi
[12:47] <ce_liar> adelivia
[12:47] <savanna_cat> myrtti: then grep eth0 * would've turned it up :)
[12:47] <[A] ndy80> how can I set the Sun JDK /usr/lib/j2sdk1.5-sun/jre/bin/java as default Java VM on my Ubuntu?
[12:48] <locomorto> [A] ndy80: you dont
[12:48] <locomorto> [A] ndy80: you dont need to
[12:48] <[A] ndy80> locomorto: andy80@ubuntu:~$ /usr/bin/java --version
[12:48] <[A] ndy80> java version "1.4.2"
[12:48] <locomorto> [A] ndy80: the java VM is the JRE not the JDK
[12:48] <savanna_cat> andy80: wiki shows you how to install java - would that help?
[12:48] <nalioth> bigfoot1: is it not available in the repos?
[12:48] <locomorto> [A] ndy80: you need to install the 1.5 JRE
[12:49] <[A] ndy80> locomorto: I need SDK not JRE
[12:49] <ompaul> !msg ubotu java
[12:49] <ubotu> ompaul: Are you on ritalin?
[12:49] <bulletino> hi all
[12:49] <Seveas> [A] ndy80, if you install it properly, then sudo update-alternatives java
[12:49] <Myrtti> gosh I hate sql
[12:49] <ompaul> hehe
[12:49] <locomorto> [A] ndy80: If you want the JDK you need the JRE as well
[12:49] <bigfoot1> nalioth, i haven't checked. How do i search repos using terminal?
[12:49] <[A] ndy80> I've both
[12:49] <ompaul> Myrtti, it is not that bad, it seems like it
[12:49] <savanna_cat> myrtti: sql is the one try language </religion>
[12:49] <Seveas> DELETE FROM #sql WHERE nick = 'Myrtti'
[12:49] <Seveas> ;)
[12:49] <locomorto> [A] ndy80: Installing the JDK does nto install the JRE
[12:49] <nalioth> bigfoot1: "apt-cache search vlc"
[12:49] <bigfoot1> nalioth, thanks.
[12:49] <[A] ndy80> locomorto: I've both: jre and sdk
[12:49] <Myrtti> actually I do like it, but right now I'm too tired to understand the logic
[12:50] <hyper22> I got this file linux-restricted-modules-2.6.12-8-386_2.6.12.4-3_i386.deb since I cant install it with synaptic, now what I should do next to install it?
[12:50] <Seveas> Myrtti, and it's so easy ;)
[12:50] <Nameeater_> that guy with the X font problems still here?
[12:50] <locomorto> [A] ndy80: Did you install the 1.5 JRE though?
[12:50] <[A] ndy80> locomorto: yes
[12:50] <bigfoot1> nalioth,  is what I'm looking for this: "mozilla-plugin-vlc - multimedia plugin for Mozilla based on VLC"
[12:50] <[A] ndy80> locomorto: using Synaptic
[12:50] <nalioth> bigfoot1: that is the critter you're lookin for
[12:51] <locomorto> [A] ndy80: Did you unistall the 1.4 packages?
[12:51] <bigfoot1> nalioth, why can't this work: sudo apt-get mozilla-plugin-vlc
[12:51] <DMarin> Hi all
[12:51] <[LethAL] > How can I automagically configure my network (DNS and defaults gateway) on boot?
[12:51] <bigfoot1> hi DMarin
[12:51] <locomorto> bigfoot1: what happens when you install that?
[12:51] <moomooboy> can someone tell me how to play DVD Movies?
[12:52] <bigfoot1> locomorto, i get this error: E: Invalid operation mozilla-plugin-vlc
[12:52] <forkqueue> [LethAL] : Run a DHCP server on your network
[12:52] <nalioth> bigfoot1: you forgot the "install" word
[12:52] <locomorto> moomooboy: add marillat repos, sudo apt-get install libdvdcss2
[12:52] <savanna_cat> moomooboy: http://www.ubuntuguide.org/
[12:52] <[LethAL] > forkqueue, I have one, I prefer the static option though
[12:52] <bigfoot1> nalioth, i see.
[12:52] <Myrtti> !ubuntuguide
[12:52] <ubotu> I guess ubuntuguide is out of date, breaks PCs and doesn't explain anything. The official FAQ Guide, which is based on ubuntuguide will soon be the help menu in Breezy. For more information see !faq.
[12:52] <nalioth> bigfoot1: "sudo apt-get install mozilla-plugin-vlc"
[12:52] <fishor> Hi all! I need halp! Is eny body know why in Breezy  tag_c.h missed?
[12:52] <locomorto> moomooboy: remove marillat repo
[12:52] <hyper22> I got this file linux-restricted-modules-2.6.12-8-386_2.6.12.4-3_i386.deb since I cant install linux-restricted modules in synaptic, now what I should do next to install it?
[12:52] <DMarin> I've got a problem compiling programs using glib in Breezy
[12:53] <siimo> hyper22, sudo dpkg -i *.deb
[12:53] <DMarin> All them, when linking, say: undefined reference
[12:53] <DMarin> :-(
[12:53] <[A] ndy80> locomorto: gij was installed too, I'm removing it
[12:53] <siimo> hyper22, after you navigate to it
[12:53] <hyper22> thanks siimo
[12:53] <locomorto> the faq is horrible as it stands and contains virtually nothing. It is not a subsitute
[12:53] <thoreauputic> hyper22: was that generated with checkinstall ? (looks like it)
[12:53] <bigfoot1> is everyone here excited for the next version of Ubuntu coming out next month?
[12:53] <[LethAL] > bigfoot1, I'm allready using it
[12:53] <moomooboy> remove marillat ??
[12:53] <nalioth> bigfoot1: of course we are
[12:53] <moomooboy> whats that?
[12:54] <nalioth> moomooboy: marillat can wreck your ubuntu box
[12:54] <bigfoot1> nalioth, me too.
[12:54] <maradong> bigfoot1, ;-)
[12:54] <moomooboy> how do i remove it?
[12:54] <Madpilot> locomorto: wiki.ubuntu.com/UserDocumentation is better..
[12:54] <locomorto> nalioth: is that an issue only with <= hoary?
[12:55] <twibbler> hum .... isnt ubuntu much better on a desktop than laptop ?.....
[12:55] <locomorto> nalioth it seems to work fine for me in breezy
[12:55] <moomooboy> nalioth locomorto told me to add marillat repos? what does that mean?
[12:55] <maradong> locomorto, the only thing I use from marillat on Ubuntu is the w32codecs package. But I download that manually, and install it manually, without adding the rep. to my sources.lust
[12:55] <maradong> emile, make that sources.list ;-)
[12:55] <bigfoot1> i just installed mozilla plugin for vlc. Don't i have to uninstall mplayerplug-in?
[12:55] <thoreauputic> locomorto: marillat will only work if debian is currently in synch with ubuntu
[12:56] <DMarin> anyone with problems when developping in a breezy system??
[12:56] <locomorto> ic
[12:56] <siimo> DMarin, developing what
[12:56] <larsrohdin> Seveas, my connection failed...I dropped out. I asked, is firestarter a good firewall?
[12:56] <DMarin> siimo: gnome programs
[12:56] <b-movie> moomooboy: http://developers.videolan.org/libdvdcss/
[12:56] <Seveas> larsrohdin, fairly good
[12:56] <DMarin> for example
[12:56] <DMarin> I cannot compile any program that uses glib
[12:56] <thoreauputic> locomorto: so, as time moves on, marillat becomes a problem, since ubuntu once released remains stable
[12:56] <savanna_cat> larsrohdin: I prefer shorewall
[12:56] <larsrohdin> Seveas, ok, sounds good enough for me, thanks
[12:57] <siimo> some guy just reported he couldnt compile epiphany cause it complained glib problem too :S
[12:57] <bigfoot1> nalioth, i just installed mozilla plugin for vlc. Don't i have to uninstall mplayerplug-in?
[12:57] <Seveas> siimo, apt-get install epiphany
[12:57] <DMarin> i've made a test problem
[12:57] <ColonelKernel> larsrohdin, I have always had very good results with firestarter
[12:57] <DMarin> test program, i mean
[12:57] <locomorto> thoreauputic: so using the dev version is basically safe with marillat?
[12:57] <DMarin> that only calls g_type_init
[12:57] <bigfoot1> b-movie, i just installed mozilla plugin for vlc. Don't i have to uninstall mplayerplug-in?
[12:57] <Seveas> if you insist on compiling it: apt-get build-dep epiphany (that gets all the build dependencies)
[12:57] <DMarin> and I get a "undefined reference to g_type_init"
[12:57] <locomorto> bigfoot1: it wont hurt
[12:58] <DMarin> the same program compiles ok in my other system (with gentoo)
[12:58] <Seveas> DMarin, then get the glib headers...
[12:58] <b-movie> bigfoot1: sorry, i dont know
[12:58] <larsrohdin> ColonelKernel, ok Ill run with it, see if I like it
[12:58] <locomorto> DMarin: do you have build-essential?
[12:58] <thoreauputic> locomorto: I don't know - I just avoid marillat now: possibly it is currently in synch since breezy is based on a debian sid snapshot
[12:58] <bigfoot1> locomorto, coz when i cilck on a streaming audio hyperlink, mplayerplug-in is what is used.
[12:58] <DMarin> locomorto: wait for a moment
[12:58] <moomooboy> is there a program i can use to watch DVD???
[12:58] <DMarin> locomorto: yes, i have
[12:58] <locomorto> Well, lets put it this way, im on breezy with marillat and everything works fine
[12:59] <moomooboy> something i can just type in... and it will install itself?
[12:59] <locomorto> fully dist-upgraded
[12:59] <larsrohdin> moomooboy, lots of em
[12:59] <bigfoot1> how do i uninstall mplayer plug in from terminal. I don't know the exact name.
[12:59] <larsrohdin> mplayer, kaffeine, ogle, vlc, totem
[12:59] <moomooboy> which one will work .. instantly :)
[12:59] <Seveas> sudo aptitude purge mozilla-mplayer
[12:59] <locomorto> bigfoot1: sudo apt-get remove mozilla-plugin-mplayer
[12:59] <bigfoot1> does anybody here use a pocket pc with their ubuntu?
[12:59] <Seveas> ^-- bigfoot1
[12:59] <moomooboy> someone told me to install ogle before.. i did.. but it wont run the dvd
[12:59] <thoreauputic> locomorto: yes, but it isn't good to encourage marillat, since down the road it *will* cause troubles
[12:59] <larsrohdin> moomooboy, all of them... try vlc, its rather easy to use
[12:59] <locomorto> ok ic
[01:00] <bigfoot1> seveas, what's the difference between your command and locomorto's?
[01:00] <locomorto> Then where do we refer people to for libdvdcss2?
[01:00] <DMarin> it seems as if ld coudn't get the symbols from glib .so
[01:00] <larsrohdin> moomooboy, kaffeine to but i requires kde I think
[01:00] <moomooboy> well im installing vlc now..
[01:00] <locomorto> kaffeine just uses xine/gstreamer so its no better then totem
[01:01] <bigfoot1> how do i use my pocket pc with ubuntu?
[01:01] <bigfoot1> what program must i use?
[01:01] <bigfoot1> etc?
[01:01] <locomorto> bigfoot1: use aptitude i prefrence to apt-*
[01:01] <thoreauputic> locomorto: fair question - I guess as long as people know to remove marillat after getting codecs and libdvdcss2 it's OK - problem is, people don't do that in general
[01:01] <locomorto> bigfoot1: its does lost of nice things
[01:01] <bigfoot1> locomorto, aptitude is better than apt-?
[01:01] <siimo> root, dont log in as root :S
[01:01] <bigfoot1> okay, locomorto. thanks.
[01:02] <thoreauputic> locomorto: then they come back here with broken systems...
[01:02] <siimo> root, unless you are not and this is just your user name on IRC
[01:03] <root> who have the alsa sound driver for conexant ac-link 2 channel sound ?
[01:03] <DMarin> any other clue of the problem when linking to glib?
[01:03] <bigfoot1> any flickr users here
[01:03] <bigfoot1> ?
[01:04] <bigfoot1> any zoto.com users here?
[01:04] <root> thanks
[01:04] <larsrohdin> where can I change which drive Totem uses for dvd?
[01:05] <Kromonos> kromonos@KromBox:~/Desktop$ sudo dpkg -i sun-j2re1.5_1.5.0+update04_i386.deb
[01:05] <Kromonos> Selecting previously deselected package sun-j2re1.5.
[01:05] <Kromonos> (Reading database ... 104125 files and directories currently installed.)
[01:05] <Kromonos> Unpacking sun-j2re1.5 (from sun-j2re1.5_1.5.0+update04_i386.deb) ...
[01:05] <Kromonos> dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of sun-j2re1.5:
[01:05] <Kromonos>  sun-j2re1.5 depends on libasound2 (>> 1.0.9); however:
[01:05] <Kromonos>   Version of libasound2 on system is 1.0.8-1.
[01:05] <Kromonos>  sun-j2re1.5 depends on libc6 (>= 2.3.4-1); however:
[01:05] <Seveas> NEVER paste in here
[01:05] <locomorto> Or Seveas will get angry and gline you
[01:06] <nalioth> not just seveas.. ..
[01:06] <ompaul> Kromonos, use http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl <<< for pasting
[01:06] <bigfoot1> i installed the vlc plugin for mozilla and  uninstalled the mplayer plugin in for mozilla. Now when I click on a hyperlink, Galeon asks me what to use to open the file with.
[01:06] <nalioth> it's considered proper netiquette not to paste in chat channels
[01:06] <locomorto> yeah but seveas is scary, your just... I dunno... like all wavery?
[01:06] <reiki> hehe
[01:06] <locomorto> You know the sweet guy who everyone walks over?
[01:06] <savanna_cat> seveas: thanx: I did  find . -type f -exec grep -H -C 1 eth0 '{}' ';' | less
[01:07] <savanna_cat> the file is /etc/fstab
[01:07] <Seveas>  /kick #ubuntu locomorto I'm not scary
[01:07] <Seveas> :p
[01:07] <bigfoot1> and the choices it gave were: oo spreadsheet, abiword word processor, oo wordprocessor, text editor. How come the vlc plugin is not starting up?
[01:07] <locomorto> Seveas: tut tut
[01:07] <locomorto> /kick
[01:07] <nalioth> locomorto: i'm not competing
[01:07] <thoreauputic> locomorto: hah - nalioth justs uses a stealth banning technique and it's all over before you notice ;)
[01:08] <zxsykco> Sending fin packets.....
[01:08] <thoreauputic> locomorto: well, not the ban - the op staus :)
[01:08] <thoreauputic> *status
[01:08] <locomorto> /cs kick?
[01:08] <locomorto> you dont even need to get out of your seat
[01:09] <angelus1969> nalioth, I get an ' error 15: file not found' error message now
[01:09] <nalioth> locomorto: when folks op up, it's usually to perform some channel maintenance
[01:09] <DMarin> does anyone with breezy and glib2.0-dev installed could test and compile a little program for testing glib?
[01:09] <nalioth> locomorto: when someone with a guilty conscience sees the @ enabled, they may suspect they're the 'maintenance'
[01:09] <DMarin> I'd like to know if it's only a problem in my PC, or is a problem in Breezy
[01:10] <locomorto> eh
[01:10] <Seveas> DMarin, sure, where's the source?
[01:10] <nalioth> angelus1969: i recommend you reinstall. check your md5s for your iso image and install cd
[01:10] <DMarin> whell
[01:10] <angelus1969> nalioth, I already install twice, so best get a new iso
[01:10] <DMarin> Seveas: well
[01:11] <locomorto> Hmm, anyone here use the optusnet gdesklet monitor?
[01:11] <nalioth> angelus1969: check your md5s, and if burning, burn slowly
[01:11] <locomorto> The 2.1 version
[01:11] <DMarin> Seveas: wait for a moment
[01:12] <angelus1969> nalioth, okay will try that
[01:12] <bigfoot1> using the terminal, how do i install synCE and all depending packages?
[01:12] <siimo> OMG!! Opera browser has become freeware without ads  www.opera.com
[01:12] <angelus1969> another question, another machine, a laptop with 5.04 on it, it's a p4 HT where I manually had to install an smp kernel
[01:12] <locomorto> bigfoot1: aptitude search synce
[01:12] <bigfoot1> [LethAL] , there's bloatware for linux?
[01:12] <[LethAL] > siimo, I have free -LEGAL- keys anyway
[01:12] <angelus1969> after a while the system freezes, eventhough I disabled
[01:12] <locomorto> then pick the main synce package
[01:12] <locomorto> then
[01:13] <[LethAL] > bigfoot1, acroread and plugins for it
[01:13] <angelus1969> suspend and hibernate
[01:13] <[LethAL] > 96MB!
[01:13] <locomorto> sudo aptitude install <package name>
[01:13] <siimo> [LethAL] , me too but now its not needed its free
[01:13] <[LethAL] > siimo, Does it use GTK2 yet?
[01:13] <DMarin> Seveas, hey! it seems that a new upgrading this morning fixed the bug
[01:13] <ColonelKernel> angelus1969, ill trade you a p4ht desktop for it...
[01:13] <angelus1969> the mouse still works, well, I can move the cursor, that is about it
[01:13] <bigfoot1> locomorto, that command will install package and all the stuff it needs?
[01:13] <siimo> no its QT
[01:14] <locomorto> no acroread == GTK2
[01:14] <locomorto> bigfoot1: thats the wonders of apt-get/aptitude
[01:14] <angelus1969> ColonelKernel, unless it's a small desktop, I don't have the room for it :)
[01:14] <nalioth> bigfoot1: ubotu loves you
[01:14] <[LethAL] > siimo, Which, IIRC, is ugly, no?
[01:14] <sivang> hi all
[01:14] <bigfoot1> nalioth, i thought uboto was a robotic spammer, until i read its message.
[01:14] <locomorto> !love
 this place has got more love than a bus full of hippies
[01:15] <sivang> can anybody tell me why I have a 10 minutes delay when my Ubuntu server tries to mount all NFS mounts that it has in fastb?
[01:15] <sivang> err, fstab even
[01:15] <Kromonos> Sry for pasting so much
[01:15] <er4z0r> bigfoot1: apt-cache search synCE shows you the packages you are searching for
[01:15] <er4z0r> oh sorry
[01:15] <Kromonos> now I got the trick from ompaul with the pastebin: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2367 <-- that's my problem
[01:15] <angelus1969> why does my keyboard stop working after some idle time, and most functions of the mouse?
[01:16] <nalioth> bigfoot1: ubotu is OUR robotic spammer
[01:16] <thoreauputic> sivang: do you have portmap, nfs-kernel-server and nfs-common installed?
[01:16] <sivang> the same operation on the RHEL3's take a couple of seconds, maybe I have some version conflicts ?
[01:16] <sivang> thoreauputic: let me check that now
[01:18] <sivang> thoreauputic: I didn't have those. I installed them now, should it make a difference?
[01:18] <[LethAL] > Does anyone know why I keep getting 169.254 IP's in rausb0 and occasionally lo?
[01:18] <_pir> helo, any one can help?
[01:18] <_pir> I have nvidia 5500, and I installed the nvidia driver.
[01:18] <_pir> When I turn on the pc and login, I have only 640x480,
[01:18] <_pir> I fix this problem by pressing ALT+CTRL+BACK and than get the login screen again, but this time it is followed by the "NVIDIA" title and I can work with all the screen resolutions.
[01:18] <_pir> When I reboot the pc (only by typing : "reboot" ) everything is ok , I get the nvidia title and I can work with all the screen resolutions...
[01:18] <_pir> whta's wrong? ..What is not saved.... ?
[01:18] <_pir> T
[01:18] <thoreauputic> sivang: yes :)
[01:18] <sivang> thoreauputic: why do I need the nfs-kernel-server ?
[01:19] <thoreauputic> sivang: well, that's the nfs server
[01:19] <ompaul> _pir, ou should use http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl for pasting
[01:19] <bigfoot1> is it safe to get synCE from outside of repo? Coz I want the newest version?
[01:19] <bigfoot1> Any synce users here?
[01:19] <nalioth> bigfoot1: not really
[01:19] <bigfoot1> ok
[01:19] <sivang> thoreauputic: I got this on installing it:
[01:19] <sivang> thoreauputic: Setting up nfs-kernel-server (1.0.6-3.1ubuntu1) ...
[01:19] <sivang>  * Not starting NFS kernel daemon: No exports.
[01:20] <nalioth> bigfoot1: if you cant find it in the repos, it's best to compile it your self
[01:20] <thoreauputic> sivang: have you configured your /etc/exports ?
[01:20] <nalioth> bigfoot1: but even that is not recommended
[01:20] <bigfoot1> okay.
[01:20] <sivang> thoreauputic: ah right DOH! sorry, thanks alot!
[01:20] <bigfoot1> i guess not having the newest is okay.
[01:20] <thoreauputic> sivang: :)
[01:20] <YuWei> hi all, any body can teach me how to play mms:// stream in ubuntu?
[01:20] <angelus1969> how can I disable all hybernating, suspending and so on?
[01:21] <nalioth> bigfoot1: in the *nix world, stability is preferred over *bling*
[01:21] <bigfoot1> nalioth, for some reason, I think that getting the newest version is always best. Maybe it's a thought that I have to discard and leave behind with my Windows days.
[01:21] <sivang> angelus1969: you can just not use it, why disable it altogether?
[01:21] <Kromonos> YuWei: Use MPlayer for MMS Streams :)
[01:21] <YuWei> ok, thanks
[01:21] <Kromonos> np :)
[01:21] <angelus1969> sivang, because it renders my laptop useless after a while
[01:22] <angelus1969> it is the only thing I can think of
[01:22] <ColonelKernel> angelus1969, any chance there may be a hardware problem?
[01:22] <ColonelKernel> been messin with the bios maybe?
[01:23] <angelus1969> ColonelKernel, i have gotten this laptop from someone who had win running on it without probs
[01:23] <ColonelKernel> i had that exact same problem with I was messing with my bios
[01:23] <ColonelKernel> memory timing settings
[01:23] <angelus1969> ColonelKernel, I have changed nothing, either hardware or bios
[01:23] <ColonelKernel> angelus1969, were they using windows?
[01:23] <angelus1969> ColonelKernel, just removed win :)
[01:23] <ColonelKernel> yeah I didnt have problems in windows either
[01:24] <ColonelKernel> but in linux I had your exact same error
[01:24] <angelus1969> ColonelKernel, so what did you do to fix it?
[01:24] <angelus1969> ColonelKernel, because there is no problem as long as I keep using it :)
[01:24] <ColonelKernel> angelus1969, I had to change my memory timing settings a little bit
[01:25] <angelus1969> ColonelKernel, strange though then that it only happens when idle
[01:25] <ColonelKernel> angelus1969, does /var/log/messages have anything in there about it?
[01:25] <_pir> Is CTL+ALT+BACK do restart for the Xserver or just terminate it?, cuz after I press it I return to the login screen..
[01:25] <ColonelKernel> mine didnt have to do with being idle, just after i'd start X i'd get a freeze but the mouse would still work
[01:25] <Seveas> _pir, in breezy there seems to be an error restarting the X server
[01:25] <thoreauputic> _pir: stops it and restarts gdm (login screen)
[01:25] <xukun> did the libmikmod changed in breezy, apt doesnt find it
[01:26] <Seveas> !info libmikmod breezy
[01:26] <_pir> I have hoary..
[01:26] <angelus1969> ColonelKernel, my problem seems only to happen with idle
[01:26] <Seveas> (ubotu told me it does not exist)
[01:26] <ColonelKernel> thats very odd.
[01:26] <angelus1969> but I do see some worrying messages about the drive
[01:26] <thoreauputic> _pir: then see above
[01:26] <Seveas> xukun, it's libmikmod2 now :)
[01:26] <_pir> ah..
[01:27] <xukun> Seveas, thanks
[01:27] <thoreauputic> _pir: if you need to kill X completely,  sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop
[01:27] <angelus1969> ColonelKernel, I have disabled the display power management already
[01:28] <angelus1969> because then I could never get back into my system
[01:28] <angelus1969> after being idle for a while
[01:28] <angelus1969> that is why I think this has to do with suspending, hybernating as well
[01:28] <markuman> whats/where is the standart network device by ubuntu?
[01:28] <_pir> I dont's understand what's my problem.. I have installed the Nvidia driver , all OK,  but each time I turn on the PC I have to restart the Xserver in order to get all the screen resolution...
[01:28] <[A] ndy80> when I try to run the Application menu editor on Ubuntu it's not started. I cannot see the error. How can I start it from command line?
[01:29] <angelus1969> _pir, have you also changed your xorg.conf file?
[01:30] <angelus1969> ColonelKernel, that is why I want to disable all suspeding and so on, to see if that helps
[01:30] <_pir> it's was changed , by the configuration which I run,,
[01:30] <_pir> some thing like dpgk - reconfigure... I dont remember...
[01:31] <angelus1969> _pir, have a look see yourself in the file, I never 'trust'  the configure programs for xorg
[01:31] <Kromonos> could anyone help me with http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2367 ?
[01:32] <_pir> in the login screen I get 640x480.. and after I press ALT+CTRL+BACK I get the "nvidia title" and every thing is ok...
[01:32] <thoreauputic> _pir: in  sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg , did you choose the nvidia driver, or " nv" ?
[01:32] <_pir> nvidia
[01:32] <thoreauputic> OK
[01:32] <Seveas> Kromonos, that package is made for breezy and you run hoary
[01:33] <Kromonos> hmm
[01:33] <Seveas> either upgrade to breezy or get a hoary package
[01:33] <angelus1969> so how can I disable *all* suspending and hybernating features?
[01:33] <_pir> some thing is not saved... or not started,,, this problem occur only when Turn on the pc..
[01:33] <Kromonos> Seveas: Where can I find hoary package?
[01:33] <Seveas> http://ubuntu.tower-net.de/
[01:34] <Kromonos> Seveas: thx
[01:35] <markuman> is that the network device?/etc/network/interfaces
[01:35] <Seveas> no that is the configuration file
[01:35] <markuman> where is the network device?
[01:35] <markuman> where can i find it?
[01:36] <Seveas> there is no file in /dev/ that represents the network device...
[01:36] <nalioth> Seveas: i find it unusual the spambots are only visiting some channels
[01:37] <bigfoot1> does anybody know if in ubuntu 5.10, there's better support for Pocket PCs?
[01:37] <Seveas> nalioth, probably hardcoded big channels
[01:37] <markuman> seveas: there are lot of files....but what is the network device from that?
[01:37] <markuman> how to find out?
[01:38] <Seveas> there is ***no*** file in /dev/ that represents the network device...
[01:38] <markuman> hm
[01:38] <markuman> why
[01:38] <Seveas> because it's not needed
[01:39] <Seveas> if you want to know their names: ifconfig -a
[01:39] <Seveas>  or: cat /proc/net/dev
[01:41] <markuman> eth0 works
[01:42] <reiki> I have a CONVERT at work! One of my colleagues took a Hoary LiveCD out on the sales floor and booted a ThinkPad T43 with it and after about 20 minutes playing with it just said, "Wow... this is amazing". Now he's going to try his machines at home. :)
[01:43] <reiki> this is almost too easy :)
[01:43] <[A] ndy80> is it possible tu launch Application Menu Editor from command line?
[01:43] <Seveas> lol reiki :)
[01:44] <Seveas> [A] ndy80, it's called smeg
[01:44] <angelus1969> is there perhaps a special package for laptops or is this installed automaticly?
[01:47] <cef> anyone made any ubuntu themed grub splash images?
[01:47] <[A] ndy80> Seveas: thanks :)
[01:47] <Seveas> cef, I found one once
[01:48] <Seveas> cef, http://seveas.ubuntulinux.nl/~dennis/ubuntu.xpm.gz
[01:49] <er4z0r> I am having trouble with my printing system: I use a HP Officjet 7110 whcih is attached to a printserver on the lan (BSD-Printing)
[01:49] <cef> Seveas: thanks.. looking now
[01:49] <er4z0r> when I try to print a testpage via gnome-printer-manager it pringt me some gibberish:
[01:49] <cef> Seveas: woo.. thanks.. time to install it *grin*
[01:50] <er4z0r> %%DocumentNeedeResources: font Hel
[01:50] <er4z0r> doesn't fit the page. I suppose it means Helvetica
[01:50] <er4z0r> what am I doing wrong?
[01:51] <er4z0r> I have ha HP Laserjet 1300 which is set up the same way and it works perfectly fine
[01:53] <angelus1969> how can I get the Trash icon on the desktop?
[01:56] <rockin_stan> angelus1969, drag and drop
[01:57] <Java_the_Hutt> angelus1969,  notice it is at right bottom currently
[01:58] <cef> bbk
[01:59] <twoSharp> is it possible to use "ordinary" debian .debs on ubuntu breezy?
[01:59] <Seveas> twoSharp, possible but not recommended
[01:59] <vladuz976> how cani found out in what order "~/.bash_profile ~/.bashrc /etc/profile /etc/bash.bashrc /etc/profile" run?
[01:59] <rockin_stan> twoSharp, it is possible, but not advisable
[02:00] <Seveas> ubuntu includes almost the complete debian archive, so not even neccessary usually :)
[02:00] <twoSharp> Seveas, OK :) Why is that really? Isn't ubuntu based on debian?
[02:00] <nalioth> twoSharp: it is, but it's been polished a bit
[02:00] <twoSharp> ok=)
[02:01] <vladuz976> the last configuration file called, overwrites everything right?
[02:01] <Seveas> s/a bit/a lot/
[02:02] <dabaR> vladuz976: it overwrites the parts it has mentioned. if it is empty, the old ones are still used.
[02:02] <cef> Seveas: looks good.. thanks. *grin*
[02:02] <vladuz976> dabaR, how do i know, which one is called last?
[02:02] <dabaR> vladuz976: all parts that are not mentioned are used from the previous config files.
[02:02] <dabaR> the one in your folder.
[02:03] <vladuz976> dabaR, oh ok
[02:03] <dabaR> ~/.bashrc /etc/profile?
[02:03] <dabaR> whats that, that works?
[02:03] <vladuz976> dabaR, iam just trying to figure out where to change my path
[02:03] <Seveas> vladuz976, ~/.bashrc
[02:03] <dabaR> in any of the files.
[02:04] <nalioth> vladuz976: change it in your ~/.bashrc
[02:04] <nalioth> vladuz976: mucking about with system files is asking for trouble
[02:04] <Seveas> export PATH=/things/to/add:/more/things/to/add:$PATH
[02:04] <angelus1969> nalioth, the amd64 prob is fixed
[02:04] <nalioth> angelus1969: amd64 problem?
[02:04] <vladuz976> Seveas, that is only for this session tho. i wanna change it for good
[02:05] <angelus1969> nalioth, that I could install but not boot
[02:05] <dabaR> vladuz976: add that line to .bashrc
[02:05] <angelus1969> nalioth, the installer made the sata disk, disk1 and the pata disk disk0
[02:05] <nalioth> angelus1969: is that what it was? an amd64 issue?
[02:05] <angelus1969> nalioth, when booting however, it's the other way around
[02:05] <vladuz976> dabaR, what is that dd:$PATH thing for?
[02:06] <angelus1969> nalioth, no, not really a amd issue, more an installer issue I think
[02:06] <nalioth> angelus1969: breezy?
[02:06] <kamelion> hello, I use breezy but it trashed my xorg display, but that doesn't really matter, I just want to be able to configure my wireless connection, but how do I do that using the terminal?
[02:06] <dabaR> :$PATH ensures that the path is added to, not overwritten. so your path will have everything that was in PATH - $PATH
[02:06] <angelus1969> no, hoary
[02:06] <Seveas> kamelion, iwconfig/ifconfig
[02:06] <kamelion> Seveas: thank you, i'll try that :)
[02:07] <angelus1969> nalioth, this is the first linux which has this problem, on this machine I have installed both FC as well as Centos without this problem
[02:07] <Seveas> angelus1969, the installer looks at the bios
[02:07] <twoSharp> I'm having trouble with the screensaver.. in System -> Preferences there are 2 "Screensaver" entries. The one listed first is the "Screensaver"-entry I know from Hoary, but the bottom one, is a nice clean new one.. I liked the new one better but it misses "Properties".. But back to my problem, I can't update "gnome-screensaver" and after opened the "old" "Screensaver"-entry The computer doesn't lock the desktop after 10min anymore...
[02:07] <twoSharp> What could this and what can I do to fix it?
[02:07] <Seveas> if it says pata first, it will do pata first
[02:07] <angelus1969> Seveas, yes, but doesn't it also do that when booting?
[02:08] <Seveas> it should
[02:08] <Seveas> mixing pata and sata is always hairy business though
[02:08] <angelus1969> Seveas, yes I know that, 5.04 is even the first version which would even boot on this system
[02:09] <heatxsink> I was trying to delete a directory named "~" in a subdirectory of my home, I think I might have whiped out my home directory, I still have the terminal open where I was working in, and I'm copying everything from my HOME directory to another server for now
[02:09] <angelus1969> Seveas, I have tried before, but always failed to even boot the livecd
[02:09] <heatxsink> is there any way to undo this?
[02:09] <twoSharp> Seveas: Ubuntu is the only OS I've never had troubles with SATA/PATA on..
[02:09] <Seveas> twoSharp, *g*
[02:09] <Seveas> heatxsink, if you still have access to these files, then they did not get wiped
[02:10] <Seveas> Angel-SL, make sure your bios is set to sata-first
[02:10] <Seveas> angelus1969*
[02:10] <angelus1969> twoSharp, that is not completely true, Suse didn't like my setup either
[02:10] <Seveas> that's what ubuntu assumes if it can't get the data
[02:10] <thesaltydog> who knows which is the default PIN of bluetooth soon after installation?
[02:10] <er4z0r> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=360885#post360885
[02:10] <nalioth> heatxsink: rm is usually the final command you hit the <enter> key for
[02:11] <angelus1969> twoSharp, Suse didn't like the combo pata/sata/realscsi (yes, there is some scsi in the box as well :) )
[02:11] <nalioth> angelus1969: have you tried a daily breezy install?
[02:11] <heatxsink> Seveas:  so why can't I open another instance of my terminal?
[02:11] <angelus1969> nalioth, my laptop was downloading it, before it frooze earlier :)
[02:11] <heatxsink> and why can't I open a root terminal?
[02:12] <nalioth> angelus1969: hopefully you were using a resumable client
[02:12] <foampeace> hi
[02:12] <nalioth> !tell heatxsink about root
[02:12] <angelus1969> nalioth, one can hope ;)
[02:12] <angelus1969> nalioth, but no such luck
[02:12] <angelus1969> nalioth, have to get this laptop issue fixed soon
[02:12] <nalioth> angelus1969: what were you d/l with?
[02:12] <foampeace> say i dont need to install everything...just the new kernel how do i? its dialup
[02:13] <angelus1969> nalioth, http :(
[02:13] <foampeace> i mean update just the kernel
[02:13] <heatxsink> nalioth:  I know about root man
[02:13] <vladuz976> when i change all "hoary" in my sources.list to"breezy" isn't apt then also gonna ask me for the breezy cd instead of the hoary occasionally for some packages? so i do need to download the cd image?
[02:14] <foampeace> no
[02:14] <dabaR___> vladuz976: you should really comment out the cd line.
[02:14] <nalioth> angelus1969: hmmm. what client was doing the downloading?
[02:14] <foampeace> vladuz976: you dont need the cd once you have a something on there
[02:14] <leopard> Not a lot of scanners on that Hardware Support, none that are current scanners selling on the market.
[02:15] <vladuz976> dabaR, then it is getting everything from the net?
[02:15] <twoSharp> angelus1969, OK, I'm not an expert when it comes to hardware and stuff, but personally I have been f**king around with the SATA/PATA in every OS, except Ubuntu. Ubuntu have always found my HDDs and set them up correctly =) But I don't have SCSI though... Maybe tahts the problem?
[02:15] <angelus1969> Seveas, the SATA is the first, so can't explain why the installer thinks it's disk1 instead of disk0, this is the only installer I know which has this issue
[02:15] <foampeace> vladuz976: you just type sudo apt-get update to update sources for breezy then sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[02:15] <angelus1969> nalioth, downloading through the browser(firefox)
[02:15] <foampeace> vladuz976: or you can use synaptic package manage to upgrade the dist
[02:16] <foampeace> vladuz976: yes everything from the net
[02:16] <dabaR> vladuz976: from wherever you set up the repos to pull from, but, yes. Why are you calling for trouble by upgrading to unstablE?
[02:16] <nalioth> angelus1969: ouch. may i recommend some fine *nix download clients such as wget (my fave) and curl
[02:16] <nalioth> angelus1969: a good rule of thumb is: if it's over 25mb, use wget or curl on it
[02:16] <vladuz976> dabaR, will be stable next month no?
[02:16] <Java_the_Hutt> is there anyone here officially working for ubuntu ?
[02:16] <angelus1969> twoSharp, the real scsi was the problem with a number of linux'es, but changing the card helped with most except the previous ubuntus
[02:17] <angelus1969> nalioth, thanks will use that from now on, but that still leaves the problem of a freezing laptop :)
[02:17] <nalioth> vladuz976: oct 13
[02:17] <nalioth> angelus1969: thought you'd figured it out
[02:17] <foampeace> dabaR: im using breezy. no real problems
[02:17] <twoSharp> angelus1969, have you tried to remove the SCSI just to check if it works then?
[02:18] <angelus1969> nalioth, no, not really, I think it has to do with that the system goes into suspend or hybernation, and then it doesn' t come out of that properly
[02:18] <leopard> Java: AFAIK no one works for Ubuntu, they might work on Ubuntu, but the only employees related to Ubuntu would work for Canonical.
[02:18] <foampeace> how do i update just the kernel?
[02:18] <angelus1969> twoSharp, the scsi prob went away for most distros after changing the card to a more current one
[02:18] <dabaR> foampeace: my friend has been using it since 5.04, but he knows what to do. vladuz976 seems to be still learning the basics even.
[02:19] <nalioth> angelus1969: want to know a secret: suspend and hibernation dont work well on most portables
[02:19] <dabaR> foampeace: and there is no need to upgrade. I use hoary just fine.
[02:19] <thesaltydog> help on bluez-utils...?
[02:19] <angelus1969> nalioth, that is why I asked how to turn it off :)
[02:19] <nalioth> foampeace: in the *nix world, stability is favored over "the latest and greatest"
[02:20] <nalioth> angelus1969: i dont know a way to do it. i always shut fully down when i travel
[02:20] <angelus1969> nalioth, yes, but the system goes into these stages when idle as well doesn't it?
[02:21] <angelus1969> nalioth, how do I keep the os from doing this
[02:21] <foampeace> nalioth: yes but what if someone wants a version of something in the unstable?
[02:22] <foampeace> nalioth: what do they do then?
[02:22] <aftertaf> weird, after upping to breezy, no X available on the laptop. xfs was no longer installed and hadn't been included in the dist-upgrade
[02:23] <elad`> Hi. I have this gimpshop.tbz file, and I need help installing it.
[02:23] <nalioth> angelus1969: that is in your power mangling settings
[02:23] <nalioth> angelus1969: you can turn those off
[02:23] <leopard> nal: heh, I smiled the other day when one of the IT heads was talking about the *best box* in the whole place, it was a 3.3GHz Windows system, but I think it had an uptime of about 30 days - little did he know one of the Debian GNU Linux database servers we keep in the basement had been up 180 days, only out because of a power failure.
[02:23] <nalioth> elad`: you'll need to ask uncle google for the "gimpshop install howto"
[02:23] <angelus1969> nalioth, perhaps i'm blind, but where are these settings?
[02:24] <angelus1969> nalioth, I found these settings for the screen
[02:24] <foampeace> aftertaf: did you just hit enter at install time?
[02:24] <elad`> nalioth, if I find anything, I doubt it will take into account that I have no idea what a .tbz is.
[02:24] <nalioth> angelus1969: in the screensaver dialog?
[02:24] <Java_the_Hutt> ok
[02:24] <angelus1969> nalioth, yes,but those are only for the display
[02:25] <thoreauputic> elad`: probably not a great idea to install it unless you have some experience compiling stuff in linux
[02:25] <aftertaf> foampeace:  could you recompile that last request please?  ;)
[02:25] <nalioth> elad`: i'll give you this one hint, open a terminal and type "tar xvjf filename.tbz"
[02:25] <elad`> thoreauputic, I won't have any experience if I don't compile anything.
[02:25] <nalioth> elad`: ubotu is giving you another pointer
[02:25] <foampeace> aftertaf: did you do the full install?
[02:26] <dabaR> leopard: your story is heart warming.
[02:26] <elad`> Thanks.
[02:26] <aftertaf> foampeace:  afaik yeah.
[02:26] <dabaR> heh
[02:26] <vladuz976> foampeace, can i use sudo sed "s/breezy/hoary/g" to change the hoary to breezy and then upgrade?
[02:26] <nalioth> thoreauputic: gimpshop is a good practice. the install is well documented on the walkthrough
[02:26] <thoreauputic> elad`: that's true - but compiling something as complex as this is probably not the best to start with :)
[02:26] <thoreauputic> nalioth: is it? well then I retract my comments
[02:26] <leopard> dabaR: and we're talking about a PII 400MHz with 64MB RAM that we recycled...lol.
[02:27] <elad`> Good point.
[02:27] <nlogax> leopard - old hardware is kewl
[02:27] <nalioth> thoreauputic: there is a very good walkthrough on compliling gimpshop on an asian-named gentlemans page
[02:28] <elad`> The first hit on Google gave me a .deb and a complete howto. Didn't imagine I'd find anything this comprehensive.
[02:28] <thoreauputic> elad`: if as nalioth says, there is a good walkthrough, then go for it
[02:28] <foampeace> vladuz976: not sure about that command whats it for?
[02:28] <vladuz976> foampeace, i think to replace all the hoary with breezy. thats it
[02:28] <Java_the_Hutt> Question: I can not install gnome-bluetooth because of the dependancy problems through Synaptic. What should i do ?
[02:29] <leopard> nlogax: Yeah, I'm going to be moving it over to a donated Compaq Proliant 1600 that got donated. I just bought 3 hot swappable 9.1GB SCSI drives for it, and I'm working on the second processor.
[02:29] <bigfoot1> how do i install a tar.gz file?
[02:29] <foampeace> vladuz976: in the sources.list?
[02:29] <elad`> Should I get rid of my current installation of GIMP first?
[02:29] <leopard> leopard: okay that made a lot of sense...sleepy still.
[02:29] <vladuz976> foampeace, i forgot to specify the file
[02:29] <nalioth> elad`: read what ubotu sent you
[02:29] <thoreauputic> elad`: no
[02:29] <Java_the_Hutt> bigfoot1, tar -xzvf file
[02:29] <nalioth> elad`: and lets get gimpshop built first
[02:29] <bigfoot1> Java_the_Hutt, thank u.
[02:30] <dabaR> people buy into the GHZ thing so easy...little do they know;)
[02:30] <heatxsink> woohoo
[02:30] <thoreauputic> elad`: the compiled version should install in /usr/local/ , which won't affect your existing gimp
[02:30] <heatxsink> so how do I make my terminal have those cool color highlighting again?
[02:30] <nalioth> thoreauputic: except gimpshop wont start, gimp will
[02:30] <foampeace> vladuz976: you can just change the name hoary to breezy sure
[02:30] <Java_the_Hutt> bigfoot1, please note that it is not "installing" but extracting the tar.gaz file. Installing the contents is a seperate issue
[02:30] <aftertaf> Java_the_Hutt:  you on breezy or hoary?
[02:30] <leopard> bigfoot1: It's more than 1 step. First you have to uncompress it: tar -zxvf filename.tar.gz. Step 2 is to change into the untarred directory and read the README for instructions on how to install. less README
[02:30] <thoreauputic> nalioth: it doesn't install in /usr/local/bin ?
[02:31] <Java_the_Hutt> aftertaf, hoary!
[02:31] <nalioth> thoreauputic: yes, but the /usr/bin/gimp is executed first, if still in place
[02:31] <nalioth> thoreauputic: they are both "gimp", one has different skins
[02:31] <thoreauputic> nalioth: why? /usr/local/bin is before /usr/bin in the PATH
[02:32] <nalioth> thoreauputic: is it?
[02:32] <thoreauputic> echo $PATH
[02:32] <nalioth> mine always started the regular gimp until i removed it. then gimpshop started
[02:32] <aftertaf> Java_the_Hutt:  what dependency does it not find on your system?
[02:32] <nalioth> hmmph
[02:32] <bigfoot1> leopard, Java_the_Hutt i extracted the files into a folder. I read the readme. instructions in it are: Usage:
[02:32] <bigfoot1> On Linux:
[02:32] <bigfoot1>   ./jUploadr
[02:32] <bigfoot1> so what in the world does that mean?
[02:33] <thoreauputic> nalioth: maybe gimpshop is badly behaved and puts a symlink in /usr/bin/  ?
[02:33] <Java_the_Hutt> bigfoot1, write that "./jUploadr" to console and press enter
[02:33] <nalioth> bigfoot1: means that jUploadr is a program, and the inst want you to start it where it sits
[02:33] <elad`> Why does dpkg -i gimp...deb requires su privileges, when I have chmoded it to 777?
[02:33] <Seveas> too bad it does not help...
[02:33] <nalioth> !tell bigfoot1 about cli
[02:34] <nalioth> elad`: b/c installing anything into system space requires sudo to be used
[02:34] <Java_the_Hutt> bigfoot1, in Linux to run a program in current directory you should write "./program_executable_file_name"
[02:34] <elad`> -i - install, oh
[02:34] <bigfoot1> Java_the_Hutt, what do you mean?
[02:34] <nalioth> Seveas: something to be said for "fuzzy logic filtering"
[02:34] <leopard> Java: change into the directory where jUploader is and type: ./jUploader
[02:34] <thoreauputic> elad`: BTW chmod 777 is generally evil ;-)
[02:35] <nalioth> bigfoot1: read the link ubotu sent you, please
[02:35] <Java_the_Hutt> bigfoot1, suppose that there's an executable called "runme" in the current directory (you might consider it as runme.exe in Windows), you have to run it as "./runme"
[02:35] <bigfoot1> Java_the_Hutt, can't i just double-click something?
[02:35] <Seveas> nalioth, ;)
[02:35] <leopard> oops sorry Java: getting confused who I'm talking to.
[02:36] <bigfoot1> Java_the_Hutt, oh yeah, actually i can!
[02:36] <Java_the_Hutt> bigfoot1, for installing such type of programs no
[02:36] <bigfoot1>  yippee.
[02:36] <elad`> thoreauputic, why?
[02:36] <gerarcone> how can i stop the kernel messages to copy them on a piece of paper?
[02:36] <Java_the_Hutt> bigfoot1, but you will see that is the power of linux, extremely customizable, and respects you as a true Master where as Windows does whatever it wants
[02:37] <Java_the_Hutt> aftertaf, please look at: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2369
[02:38] <elad`> Now that I've installed gimpshop, gimp won't run.
[02:38] <Java_the_Hutt> that is the output of my synaptics shows the dependancies i  need
[02:38] <aftertaf> ;) Java_the_Hutt looking
[02:38] <foampeace> elad`: only because it gives all priviledges to everyone
[02:38] <elad`> Everyone being me.
[02:39] <aftertaf> Java_the_Hutt:  paste your sources.list too....
[02:39] <foampeace> foampeace: ya i dont think its anything to run and hide about
[02:40] <foampeace> elad`: ya i dont think its anything to run and hide about
[02:41] <aftertaf> Java_the_Hutt:  strange... libbluetooth1 is part of official BlueZ BT stack... what do you get if you just try installing that package?
[02:41] <Java_the_Hutt> aftertaf, http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2370
[02:41] <Seveas> it's almost as if they see it....
[02:42] <gerarcone> nobody can help me?
[02:42] <nalioth> Seveas: every day about this time, the swarm arrives, lol
[02:42] <gerarcone> i just want to stop the boot-messages to copy them
[02:42] <Seveas> school's out I guess :)
[02:42] <z0unds> hi, when i rightclick a file on the desktop and choose properties (in this case it was a .mp3) my desktop crashes, i can open applications but the desktop is empty, how do i refresh it?
[02:43] <Seveas> gerarcone, you can't
[02:43] <osfameron> Java_the_Hutt: yeah, I get similar dependency problems trying to install gammu
[02:43] <nalioth> Seveas: whats the file to read of all that stuff?
[02:43] <gerarcone> Seveas: there is not a way to copy those messages?
[02:43] <osfameron> don't those messages get logged somewhere?
[02:44] <aftertaf> Java_the_Hutt:  ok... your sources.list is not very standard ;)
[02:44] <nalioth> they do, i cant remember where, though
[02:44] <Seveas> gerarcone, dmesg
[02:44] <z0unds> and is there a built in program to burn audio cds?
[02:44] <aftertaf> why have just backports stuff?
[02:44] <elad`> How come Synaptic requires my user's pass, not my rootpass?
[02:44] <nalioth> z0unds: no, but you can install many
[02:44] <Seveas> elad`, because it uses sudo
[02:44] <aftertaf> elad`:  sudo!!!!
[02:44] <nalioth> !tell elad` about root
[02:44] <Java_the_Hutt> aftertaf, i dunno in deed, there should be more
[02:44] <z0unds> nalioth, can you recommend any?
[02:44] <Seveas> on ubuntu you don't need a root password
[02:44] <nalioth> z0unds: k3b, gnomebaker, graveman, and some others
[02:44] <gerarcone> Seveas: thanks!
[02:44] <nybble> nalioth: well it aint out around here (school), its just begun!
[02:44] <Java_the_Hutt> aftertaf, can you send me a good working sample of ubuntu.list that responds to most needs
[02:45] <elad`> Doesn't sudo require the rootpass?
[02:45] <Java_the_Hutt> sources.list
[02:45] <sexcopter8000m> are there any rss feeds for ubuntu news and developments, in particular regarding breezy?
[02:45] <Seveas> !sources
[02:45] <ubotu> from memory, sources is at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto A list of official repositories can be found at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969 (Hoary) or http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2325 (Breezy)
[02:45] <Seveas> ^-- Java_the_Hutt
[02:45] <aftertaf> Java_the_Hutt:  yep.... better off removing the cd link and check the link uboto sent you for a good link.... where R U ?
[02:45] <aftertaf> !good bot
[02:45] <ubotu> thanks aftertaf :)
[02:45] <Echelon-H> Can anyone help me running MIDI over ubuntu?
[02:45] <er4z0r> clear
[02:45] <Java_the_Hutt> i live in Turkey
[02:45] <elad`> By the way, I still haven't figured out a way to leave X. Ctrl-Alt-F1 doesn't work, and Ctrl-Alt-Backspace kicks me right back in.
[02:46] <DewDude> mmmm....breezy updates
[02:46] <nybble> DewDude!
[02:46] <DewDude> hi
[02:46] <nybble> be care ful!
[02:46] <Echelon-H> elad`, Are you Israeli?
[02:46] <DewDude> heh
[02:46] <Kromonos> So, bin arbeiten. Bis spter
[02:46] <nybble> esepecially if tehy are X updates :S
[02:46] <nalioth> elad`: ctrl-alt-f4
[02:46] <elad`> Echelon-H, aye.
[02:46] <DewDude> haha
[02:46] <DewDude> it was
[02:46] <DewDude> bunch of X updates
[02:46] <nybble> i just fudged my install like yesterday
[02:46] <nybble> :S
[02:46] <DewDude> heh
[02:46] <nybble> maybe its fixed :S
[02:46] <DewDude> how'd you do that?
[02:47] <nalioth> Kromonos: english here, deutch en #ubuntu-de, please
[02:47] <Java_the_Hutt> I had already done those but i 'll go through it once more
[02:47] <nybble> it all started with an apt-get update && apt-get upgrade
[02:47] <DewDude> heh
[02:47] <thoreauputic> Echelon-H: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-8736.html  <-- midi stuff
[02:47] <Kromonos> nalioth: Sry, it was a /amsg
[02:47] <nybble> and then an inability to find any pointing devices, etc
[02:47] <DewDude> i tried to dist-upgrade...failed once
[02:47] <DewDude> so i formatted and started over
[02:47] <DewDude> cuz my drive was partitioned all funky
[02:47] <thoreauputic> Echelon-H: also  http://www.lesbell.com.au/Home.nsf/0/c4b39482154feb03ca256f8100150ad9?OpenDocument
[02:47] <nybble> eww... that sucks
[02:47] <DewDude> ever since i fixed that....the upgrades have been easy
[02:48] <DewDude> heh, it did
[02:48] <aftertaf> Java_the_Hutt:  ok... cos you need to have a good few.. you can put them local to turkey, or just aim at archive.ubuntu directly.....
[02:48] <DewDude> my home was six gigs, root was 2
[02:48] <elad`> nalioth, doesn't work.
[02:48] <DewDude> which, didn't work too well
[02:48] <nalioth> elad`: what doesnt work?
[02:49] <Echelon-H> thoreauputic, i've followed the instructions on the first link.
[02:49] <elad`> nalioth, ctrl-alt-f4 doesn't get me out of X
[02:49] <nalioth> holy cow where has that dog been?
[02:49] <nalioth> elad`: what does it do?
[02:49] <elad`> Nothing.
[02:49] <DewDude>  nybble: i've been running breezy since it came out and i've not had a problem
[02:49] <nalioth> elad`: you are on an x86 box, right?
[02:49] <nybble> ah... hmm... lucky
[02:49] <Echelon-H> thoreauputic, I modeprobed all the necessary stuff, and downloaded all the things I needed (except alsa-modules which i couldn't find), and it can recognize the synthesizer, but i can't hear aney output
[02:49] <DewDude> heh
[02:50] <DewDude> i'm also running PPC ubuntu
[02:50] <elad`> Right. Maybe it's VMware that's the problem?
[02:50] <DewDude> which everyone said was a bad idea
[02:50] <thoreauputic> Echelon-H: it's possible to use timidity + freepats as a "server" for other midi apps - man timidity has the options
[02:50] <Java_the_Hutt> aftertaf, let me check one thing, this file is under /etc/apt is that right ?
[02:50] <nalioth> elad`: you didnt say anything about vmware
[02:50] <Dalik01> I installed 5.04 on two computers and I installed mplayer to watch DVD's.  But both setups fail to play dvd's because of an audio error.  I can watch movies if I start mplayer with -nosound through CLI, anyone know of a fix?
[02:50] <elad`> I didn't figure it was improtant.
[02:51] <nybble> wow... lucky... yea.. PPC rocks some times, eh DewDude?
[02:51] <DewDude> some times
[02:51] <DewDude> yeaqh
[02:51] <DewDude> for a box i paid nothing for, it's a nice little machine
[02:51] <reiki_work> !wireless
[02:51] <ubotu> hmm... wireless is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsWirelessNetworkCards
[02:51] <thoreauputic> Echelon-H: getting midi working is not trivial, in my experience - I did it a while ago and got Roesegarden 4 working but mostly I just play midi with timidity now
[02:51] <DewDude> nalioth, how goes it?
[02:52] <nalioth> DewDude: alright (although it's approaching my bedtime)
[02:52] <nalioth> DewDude: and you?
[02:52] <DewDude> not bad
[02:52] <DewDude> tryin to keep breezy preview runnin
[02:52] <thoreauputic> Echelon-H: the modules need to be added to /etc/modules to have them load on boot, of course
[02:52] <nalioth> DewDude: on what?
[02:53] <DewDude> my PPC
[02:53] <DewDude> it's stable, just, i'm constantly updating
[02:53] <DewDude> i'm just trying to break this box
[02:53] <nalioth> DewDude: such is the last month of ubuntu preview releases
[02:53] <LethAL-Rocks> Yeah, I'm installing 103 updates >.<
[02:54] <nalioth> DewDude: you'll get into the habit of several updates per day and on oct 14. NOTHING
[02:54] <DewDude> nalioth, yeah, i've been told
[02:54] <Java_the_Hutt> Question: Is it still early to go through with Breezy for production ?
[02:54] <DewDude> yup, totally aware
[02:54] <anura1> help....... there is huge lag in mplayer while running in full screen mode............
[02:54] <DewDude> dude, i made a page for my box
[02:54] <DewDude> http://itux.ath.cx
[02:54] <LethAL-Rocks> Java_the_Hutt, I wouldn't advice is
[02:54] <LethAL-Rocks> s/advice it/advise it
[02:55] <Dalik01> just for kicks I tried this command, sudo apt-get install w32codecs
[02:55] <Dalik01> and the package has no installtion canidate?
[02:55] <Dalik01> but I am able to install libdvdcss2
[02:55] <anura1> help....... there is huge lag in mplayer while running in full screen mode............
[02:55] <gnumbo> hi all, anyone got a solution to apt-get install sunj2re problem?
[02:56] <Dalik01> anural: audio lag I take it?
[02:56] <Dalik01> anural: try using a different audio service.
[02:56] <anura1> Dalik01: video lag
[02:57] <nalioth> DewDude: cool page (more discussion in -offtopic)
[02:57] <Java_the_Hutt> aftertaf, problem solved! thx
[02:57] <anura1> Dalik01 i am a newbie...i don't know nething..please guide me
[02:57] <nalioth> Dalik01: you using breezy?
[02:57] <DewDude> nalioth, yeah, sorry, i just wanted to give you the URL
[02:57] <DewDude> i'll get in -offtopic
[02:58] <florg> hi, is it possible to install ubuntu offline from a set of cd's? Where can i get the cd's or can i make them on my own?
[02:58] <LethAL-Rocks> I've got a problem with gksudo, it doesn't ask for a password but comes up with "Unable to copy the user's Xauthorization file". Anyone know any fixes for this (I've tried sudo -k)
[02:59] <nalioth> florg: www.ubuntulinux.com/download
[03:00] <thoreauputic> LethAL-Rocks: chown youruser:youruser .Xauthority
[03:00] <spite> hmm, no win32 codecs for breezy?
[03:00] <nalioth> spite: http://giannaros.org/tor/bt/btdownload.php?type=torrent&file=w32codecs_20050412-0.0_i386.deb.torrent
[03:00] <thoreauputic> LethAL-Rocks: you will need to sudo that, I expect
[03:01] <OSx86_Mafia> is it just me, or does banshee/sonance crash a hell of alot?
[03:01] <onlinebacon> hello
[03:01] <spite> nalioth, thanks
[03:01] <heatxsink> what happened to the root terminal menu item?
[03:01] <LethAL-Rocks> thoreauputic, Doesn't exist
[03:01] <onlinebacon> wow, tonnes of people>>>
[03:01] <nalioth> onlinebacon: metric or english?
[03:02] <thoreauputic> LethAL-Rocks: it does : ~/.Xauthority
[03:02] <onlinebacon> enlglish, of course
[03:02] <onlinebacon> :)
[03:02] <Dalik01> sudo apt-get install w32codecs doesnt find the installation package, but I can install libdvdcss2 anyone know why?
[03:02] <thoreauputic> LethAL-Rocks: it's in your home dir ( note the dot)
[03:02] <aftertaf> sorry Java_the_Hutt was absent.... happy you got your sources.list sorted out. I gather you found it ok then ?
[03:02] <onlinebacon> i am gonna test badger in a bit, anyone know of any serious probs?
[03:03] <LethAL-Rocks> thoreauputic, ls -a doesn't show it
[03:03] <aftertaf> Java_the_Hutt:  For breezy you can wait 3 more weeks.... you can install it now but you may have a couple of problems restarting correctly to begin with. If you know a bit of X and a bit of console you can get it working, but if not, i'd wait.
[03:03] <OSx86_Mafia> onlinebacon, working great for me, although ymmv
[03:03] <heatxsink> ???
[03:03] <heatxsink> root terminal?
[03:03] <onlinebacon> ymmv?
[03:03] <LethAL-Rocks> thoreauputic, My bad, damn caps
[03:03] <thoreauputic> LethAL-Rocks:  ls -al ~/.Xauthority
[03:03] <aftertaf> anyone had pbs with breezy?   kernel 2.6.12 & hotplug hanging on boot?
[03:03] <thoreauputic> it probably has root:root currently
[03:04] <florg> nalioth, there only seems to be an install cd available - i couldn't find a set of images which provide some more packages as the install cd.
[03:04] <nalioth> Dalik01: do you use breezy?
[03:04] <LethAL-Rocks> thoreauputic, done it, says it's mine, still nothing
[03:04] <nalioth> onlinebacon: go for it
[03:04] <emiles> hi all
[03:04] <Dalik01> nalioth: no, 5.04
[03:04] <onlinebacon> cool
[03:04] <thoreauputic> LethAL-Rocks:  ls -al .ICEauthority
[03:05] <onlinebacon> cos most of me 5.4 cds dont work :(
[03:05] <emiles> is this more a user-support kind of channel or a dev channel? :)
[03:05] <nalioth> Dalik01: w32codecs have been removed for legal reasons
[03:05] <LethAL-Rocks> thoreauputic, also mine
[03:05] <nalioth> Dalik01: get them from www.mplayerhq.hu on the downloads page
[03:05] <Dalik01> nalioth ok thnx
[03:05] <thoreauputic> LethAL-Rocks: and you still get that error?
[03:05] <aftertaf> nalioth:  is that just in hoary, w32codecs being removed?
[03:05] <apokryphos> nalioth: we got a ready-made deb for that, remember ;-)
[03:05] <nalioth> aftertaf: all versions
[03:05] <Java_the_Hutt> aftertaf, bluetooth manager is installed but, while i am scanning new devices it get stucked at (5%)
[03:05] <LethAL-Rocks> thoreauputic, Ya, anything to do with them being -rw-...
[03:05] <aftertaf> oki
[03:05] <twibbler> ive just installed ubuntu on my desktop but it hasn't configured the sound card... can anybody help please ...
[03:06] <nalioth> apokryphos: it only works on breezy, not hoary (as Dalik01 is using)
[03:06] <emiles> oh. i just read the topic :)
[03:06] <apokryphos> nalioth: I told you about hoary w32codecs yesterday :)
[03:06] <aftertaf> twibbler:  what is your soundcard? and can you see it when you type lspci?
[03:06] <thoreauputic> LethAL-Rocks: no that should be right - the perms are 600
[03:06] <twibbler> aftertaf: the problem is I dont know what the sound card is .....
[03:06] <nalioth> apokryphos: i was not me yestern, please instruct Dalik01 the easier method
[03:06] <apokryphos> Dalik01: http://giannaros.org/public/hoarydebs/
[03:07] <aftertaf> twibbler:  type lspci and post the results to pastebin...
[03:07] <emiles> so, are there any known problems with breezy and xorg? i got a broken xorg (and a broken initrd, but i fixed that) when dist-upgrading vom hoary to breezy..
[03:07] <Dalik01> ok at the site
[03:07] <aftertaf> !tell twibbler about pastebin
[03:07] <heatxsink> can someone please tell me where the Root Terminal menu item got put from Hoary to breezy?
[03:07] <twibbler> what is pastebin?....
[03:07] <spite> hmm, anyone able to add insight into this:
[03:07] <spite> OIL: ERROR liboiltest.c 247: (): illegal instruction in idct8x8_s16_mmx
[03:07] <aftertaf> ubotu just told you... ;)
[03:07] <ubotu> aftertaf: I give up, what is it?
[03:07] <thoreauputic> !paste
[03:07] <ubotu> methinks paste is please use http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/ or #flood to paste large amounts of text
[03:07] <Dalik01> downloading, where do I put it to install it?
[03:07] <apokryphos> Dalik01: anywhere at all
[03:07] <apokryphos> Dalik01: then just sudo dpkg -i <package>.deb
[03:08] <Dalik01> apokryphos: awesome thnx
[03:08] <twibbler> aftertaf: pasted ...
[03:08] <spite> seems like everything i've been grabbing via apt has been coming back with an error in OIL
[03:08] <Dalik01> apokryphos samething with sun-j2re ?
[03:08] <nalioth> heatxsink: there is no need for a root terminal
[03:08] <heatxsink> eh?
[03:08] <aftertaf> ok twibbler . loking
[03:08] <heatxsink> nalioth:  I liked that
[03:09] <heatxsink> I thought it was cool
[03:09] <apokryphos> Dalik01: you can use those ones, but there's a sunjava repository if you want it
[03:09] <osfameron> Anyone know: what's the password of the "default keyring" ?
[03:09] <spite> have you tried your password
[03:09] <Dalik01> apokryphos: will work on that later, more important things to get working like.  mplayer and dvd with audio.
[03:09] <apokryphos> ok
[03:09] <aftertaf> twibbler:  line 5 is your onboard SIS soundcard...
[03:09] <nalioth> heatxsink: you can right click on the menus and add it back if you wish
[03:10] <apokryphos> Dalik01: if you want it later, /msg ubotu sunjava
[03:10] <thoreauputic> heheh - Black helicopters ETA 3 minutes ;-)
[03:10] <Dalik01> apokryphos: will do cheers.
[03:10] <spite> thoreauputic, ?
[03:10] <twibbler> aftertaf: ok got it .... so how to configure ... do I need to find a driver ?
[03:10] <thoreauputic> spite: nm ;)
[03:10] <spite> all right
[03:10] <aftertaf> twibbler:  you have a [SiS]  5513 card.
[03:11] <thoreauputic> spite: wrong window ;-)
[03:11] <aftertaf> twibbler:  ill search the alsa matrix....
[03:11] <Dalik01> I have installed mplayer-386 and it crashes because of an audio error.  But I can watch movies without sound if I start it from CLI.  Can anyone help or point me to a fix?
[03:11] <nalioth> thoreauputic: black helos in the wrong window? horrors
[03:12] <thoreauputic> nalioth: mwuhahahah!
[03:12] <leopard> Why might packages get held back?
[03:12] <twibbler> aftertaf: thank you ....
[03:12] <nalioth> leopard: dependencies not available
[03:13] <leopard> ah, probably need to add the UNIVERSE/MULTIVERSE.
[03:13] <nalioth> leopard: running breezy?
[03:13] <aftertaf> twibbler:  hehe. you on a laptop by any chance?
[03:13] <osfameron> spite: yeah, I tried my own password
[03:13] <osfameron> I thought that'd be what's needed for the default keyring
[03:14] <osfameron> but it's still bringing up the password box
[03:14] <twibbler> aftertaf: nope ..... main box ...
[03:14] <leopard> oh brb...upgrades..
[03:14] <twibbler> aftertaf: laptop is already ubuntu and working great ...
[03:14] <aftertaf> oki.
[03:15] <aftertaf> twibbler:  have you checked that volume isnt muted?   does gnome cofing show any soundcard detected?
[03:16] <spite> hmm, breezy needs e17 packages!
[03:16] <aftertaf> twibbler:  if ALSA recongises the soundcard it will load the correct module for it, can you post your lsmod?
[03:16] <twibbler> aftertaf: just get error when try to set volume or sound ..... does not show card is configured ...
[03:16] <nalioth_zZz> spite: patience
[03:16] <spite> nalioth_zZz, :D
[03:17] <twibbler> aftertaf: pasted ....
[03:19] <aftertaf> twibbler:  the module is loaded: it's snd_intel8x0
[03:19] <Dalik01> ok wmv works with some audio delay
[03:19] <aftertaf> twibbler:  so theoretically its configured and installed.....
[03:19] <aftertaf> !audio
[03:19] <ubotu> aftertaf: Are you on ritalin?
[03:20] <Dalik01> hmmm could have been the video
[03:20] <twibbler> aftertaf: ok .... I get failed to construct test pipeline ?...
[03:22] <dabaR> Dalik01: ....
[03:23] <Dalik01> only have two wmv files and the 2nd one was right
[03:23] <jkl-> how do can i print a list of all installed packages in my ubuntu? (in rpm world it was: rpm -qa, im searching for something similar)
[03:23] <twibbler> aftertaf: I also get when trying to set volume ... No volume control elements and/or devices found ...
[03:25] <aftertaf> anyone any clues on this?
[03:25] <aftertaf> see above (damn proxy!!!)
[03:26] <thoreauputic> jkl-: dpkg -l | less
[03:26] <twibbler> aftertaf: when running esd on command line I get No such device .... (arrrrggghhhhhhhh)....
[03:27] <aftertaf> twibbler:  what does aplay -l give you?
[03:27] <thoreauputic> jkl-: the | less is important if you actually want to read them ;)
[03:27] <twibbler> aftertaf: No sound cards found ....
[03:27] <aftertaf> esd shouldn't really be used any more(apparently)
[03:27] <jkl-> thoreauputic: thx!
[03:27] <thoreauputic> jkl-: np :)
[03:27] <aftertaf> twibbler:  yet when you lsmod you can see snd_intel8x0,snd_ac97_codec..
[03:28] <aftertaf> anyone got 5 mins expert time for a sound problem?
[03:28] <twibbler> aftertaf: yep .... and also have switched off esd and tried alsa... same result ...
[03:29] <aftertaf> tried rmmod snd_ac97_codec ?
[03:29] <twibbler> aftertaf: ps -ef on esd no process running....
[03:32] <aftertaf> i can't help then.... i don't know . maybe its not properly supported by alsa yet.
[03:32] <er4z0r> anybody ever installed a Tomcat on Ubuntu?
[03:32] <er4z0r> where does JAVA_HOME need to point to?
[03:33] <twibbler> aftertaf: thank you for trying.... ill continue with google but not getting very far very fast ...
[03:34] <aftertaf> twibbler:  at least you know what your soundcard is now...
[03:34] <Dalik01> where can I tell where files where installed such as w32codecs package?
[03:34] <aftertaf> and you have that failed to construct test pipeline error to work on too... ;)
[03:34] <Echelon-H> arrg I got disconnected.
[03:34] <Dalik01> I need to copy the files to totems plug in dir to get some support and I cant find them
[03:34] <Echelon-H> thoreauputic, do you remember what you told me earlier about midi files?
[03:35] <thoreauputic> Echelon-H: well, i just gave you some URLs I think... ?
[03:35] <Java_the_Hutt> Question: I have my phone paired through bluetooth. Now i want to connect to internet through GPRS (my phone is already configured for it). What should i do ?
[03:35] <Echelon-H> yeah, I used the how-to on ubuntu wiki, but it still doesn't work. I couldn't find the alsa-modules package, and for some reason the pmidi and other stuff works, but i dont hear any sound.
[03:36] <thoreauputic> Echelon-H: I don't recall needing a special alsa-modules package
[03:37] <Echelon-H> thoreauputic, nvm I still got this issue, regardless of that package.
[03:37] <thoreauputic> Echelon-H: have you tried installing timidity ?
[03:37] <er4z0r> Dalik01: try "sudo find / -name w32codec"
[03:38] <Echelon-H> can't find package, though im not sure of the spelling i used, so one moment
[03:38] <apokryphos> Dalik01: I'm pretty sure it should detect them automatically
[03:38] <Dalik01> its asking for the codecs I will try that command hold on
[03:39] <apokryphos> The .deb will put them in a directory which totem scans
[03:40] <manubuntu> hello... some one can help me to set correctly a htaccess for apache ???
[03:40] <manubuntu> ??
[03:41] <manubuntu> i read a much about it
[03:41] <manubuntu> but it doesn t function properly
[03:41] <jkl-> manubuntu: try #apache .)
[03:41] <Renski> manubuntu: I wrote a tutorial for .htaccess, once second
[03:41] <Renski> (one
[03:42] <Renski> manubuntu: https://www.bsrf.org.uk/article.php?story=2005060213452177
[03:42] <r0sk> Hi ppl
[03:42] <r0sk> How can I uninstall grub to load lilo?
[03:42] <r0sk> any tip?
[03:42] <Echelon-H> thoreauputic, the timidity got problems with some cfg file.
[03:42] <Renski> just install lilo, it should overwrite grub
[03:42] <r0sk> "lilo -u" says: "/proc/partitions does not existt"
[03:43] <thoreauputic> Echelon-H: erm - that's a bit vague...
[03:43] <r0sk> reiki, that's the problem
[03:43] <Echelon-H> thoreauputic, im sorry, vague?
[03:43] <r0sk> lilo -U tp uninstall
[03:43] <sp4rKy> hi, anyone know a chan about javascript ?
[03:43] <Renski> r0sk: I dont understand the problem then, ignore me
[03:43] <markuman> i try to build a .deb from source but he don t build the .deb
[03:43] <markuman> http://paste.debian.net/1978
[03:43] <manubuntu> renski:nice tutorial .... thanks
[03:43] <thoreauputic> Echelon-H: "problems with some cfg file" ? Like what?
[03:44] <Echelon-H> thoreauputic, one moment
[03:44] <Echelon-H> /etc/timidity/freepats.cfg: No such file or directory
[03:44] <Echelon-H> timidity: Can't read any configuration file.
[03:44] <Echelon-H> Please check /etc/timidity/timidity.cfg
[03:44] <thoreauputic> Echelon-H: install freepats
[03:44] <Echelon-H> ok
[03:45] <Java_the_Hutt> Question: I have my phone paired through bluetooth. Now i want to connect to internet through GPRS (my phone is already configured for it). What should i do ?
[03:45] <Hoxzer> aaaaaargh
[03:45] <Hoxzer> losing my mind
[03:45] <Hoxzer> I cant run commands to with that bash :E
[03:46] <jkl-> sp4rKy : #javascript ?
[03:46] <sp4rKy> thx
[03:47] <jkl-> np
[03:47] <thoreauputic> Echelon-H: if you want a GUI frontend for timidity install timidity-interfaces-extra
[03:47] <Echelon-H> thoreauputic, ok, i'm still dling freepats first.
[03:48] <Hoxzer> aaargh
[03:48] <Hoxzer> I just set the second display as clone >:E
[03:48] <stoeptegel> Is there a way to know if my webhost has cvs installed? (besides asking)
[03:48] <Hoxzer> this sucks
[03:48] <thoreauputic> Echelon-H: the gtk frontend is started with  " timidity -ig "
[03:48] <Seveas> stoeptegel, try to connect to a pserver on their host...
[03:49] <Hoxzer> :D
[03:51] <twibbler> aftertaf: just a quick ? could it be two cd devices clashing on the IDE driver ?.
[03:51] <stoeptegel> Seveas: primary server? i am properly too new for this shit :p
[03:52] <aftertaf> cd devices???? dunno... but does seem to have 2 driver modules for one card.....
[03:52] <aftertaf> AC97 & i810.
[03:52] <CyberNaja> ^^
[03:52] <server_> yahoo
[03:53] <twibbler> aftertaf: so looks like a master / slave clash somewhere ...
[03:53] <aftertaf> try sudo rmmod   one of the modules.... (they begin with snd i think_
[03:53] <cyrus> help pls
[03:53] <cyrus> how can i run the games in ubuntu????????????
[03:53] <Seveas> cyrus, applications -> games -> [pick a game] 
[03:53] <cyrus> where should i get the free cedega to run the games?
[03:54] <aftertaf> hehe Seveas ;)
[03:54] <_n00blar_> cyrus, u mean windows games or linux games?
[03:54] <aftertaf> cyrus:  it isnt free!
[03:54] <cyrus> no
[03:54] <cyrus> online games
[03:54] <oceandead> will opera be added to repos now that its free (though still not open source)
[03:54] <Seveas> cyrus, if thy are windows games, use windows...
[03:54] <oceandead> ?
[03:54] <Seveas> cedega can handle a lot but not all..
[03:54] <ompaul> cyrus, use bzflag and start there
[03:54] <cyrus> how can i install an online games here in ubuntu?
[03:54] <_n00blar_> cyrus, cedega is not free and the windows game that cedega try to run under linux don't always run properly
[03:54] <elad_> root@ubuntu:/home/elad/Desktop/atk-1.9.0 # apt-get upgrade cppThe following packages will be upgraded:
[03:54] <elad_>   bsdutils kappfinder kate kcontrol kdebase kdebase-bin kdebase-data
[03:54] <elad_>   kdebase-kio-plugins kdepasswd kdeprint kdesktop kdm kfind khelpcenter
[03:54] <elad_>   kicker klipper kmenuedit konqueror konqueror-nsplugins konsole kpager
[03:54] <elad_>   kpersonalizer ksmserver ksplash ksysguard ksysguardd kwin libdmx1
[03:54] <elad_>   libdps1 libfs6 libice6 libkonq4 libmysqlclient12 libnspr4 libnss3
[03:54] <elad_>   libsm6 libssl-dev libssl0.9.7 libx11-6 libxau6 libxaw7 libxaw8
[03:54] <elad_>   libxcomposite1 libxdamage1 libxdmcp6 libxext6 libxfixes....
[03:55] <Seveas> NEVER paste in here fool
[03:55] <cyrus> what is bzflag?
[03:55] <oceandead> yo whats with the pasting
[03:55] <ompaul> elad_, you could have read the topic and pasted where it said
[03:55] <_n00blar_> cyrus, and what kind of online games?
[03:55] <jadedstar> seveas: lol
[03:55] <cyrus> like MU,RAGNAROK OR GUNBOUND
[03:55] <jadedstar> Seveas: thank you
[03:55] <cyrus> pls help me
[03:56] <Seveas> cyrus, if they are windows games, use windows...
[03:56] <Seveas> cedega can handle a lot but not all..
[03:56] <cyrus> ah ok
[03:57] <_n00blar_> cyrus, yeah, cedega as an emulator will attemp to run them...but the games don't play like they do in windows
[03:57] <elad`> Hmm, sorry.
[03:57] <cyrus> any1 here can help me where i can buy an original OS of windows 98 for a cheap cost,,pls
[03:57] <Seveas> cyrus, in a store...
[03:57] <cyrus> nah
[03:57] <ompaul> cyrus, go to a shop
[03:57] <elad`> So anyway, I can't install atk because, I'm told, my cpp is insane. What do I do?
[03:57] <_n00blar_> cyrus, or try ebay
[03:57] <Seveas> we don't support illegal activities in here...
[03:57] <jadedstar> cyrus: any local computer show
[03:58] <apokryphos> elad`: install build-essential
[03:58] <cyrus> i need a dozens of OS
[03:58] <elad`> apokryphos, what?
[03:58] <ompaul> cyrus, ask microsoft
[03:58] <apokryphos> elad`: and, er, evading bans is a good way to get rebanned :)
[03:58] <phantombrainm> cyrus, consider ebay
[03:58] <jadedstar> ompaul: i don't think Microsoft sells Win98 anymore
[03:58] <elad`> I didn't evade, or didn't mean to.
[03:58] <nxv_> when i try to run drawing-sample.exe from the gtk-sharp2-examples it complaines i dont have gtk-dotnet
[03:58] <cyrus> thats why i'm loking here if they know any other store
[03:58] <elad`> I changed my nick to be able to private message him.
[03:58] <ompaul> jadedstar, ahh that would be closed source then :)
[03:59] <elad`> Then, I private messaged him, waited, and tried to join. I supposed he let me back in.
[03:59] <nxv_> with google i found a advice i would have to compile gtk-sharp myselfe
[03:59] <apokryphos> elad`: no
[03:59] <nxv_> do i realy have to do and how?
[03:59] <cyrus> ok
[03:59] <apokryphos> elad`: but anyway, you need to install build-essential
[03:59] <bur[n] er> opera is free!!! w00000t!
[03:59] <cyrus> no one knows?
[03:59] <elad`> apokryphos, just apt-get install it?
[03:59] <cyrus> thankas anyway
[03:59] <elad`> What is it?
[03:59] <apokryphos> bur[n] er: great news indeed
[03:59] <ompaul> bur[n] er, no it is not free as in software
[03:59] <mathieu> hi, is it possible to upgrade ubuntu through different releaeses like it is possible with debian?
[03:59] <apokryphos> elad`: yes
[03:59] <ompaul> bur[n] er, free in price but what is the cost
[03:59] <apokryphos> mathieu: of course
[04:00] <prime1> hello
[04:00] <mathieu> apokryphos: ok, thanks, just making sure
[04:00] <prime1> hi guys
[04:00] <cyrus> what about, is it possible to use a webcam or mic in yahoo here in ubuntu?
[04:00] <prime1> u there
[04:00] <BurgerMann> ??
[04:00] <elad`> Seveas seems alive, so I guess I'm allowed back.
[04:00] <prime1> hi burgerman !
[04:00] <cyrus> what about, is it possible to use a webcam or mic in yahoo here in ubuntu?
[04:00] <BurgerMann> hi prime1 :s
[04:00] <bur[n] er> ompaul: the price is a lot less load time than firefox ;)
[04:01] <userver> Hello to all
[04:01] <prime1> what a day
[04:01] <cyrus> what about, is it possible to use a webcam or mic in yahoo here in ubuntu?
[04:01] <prime1> cant get me msn messenger nto work
[04:01] <elad`> apokryphos, so what is build-essential?
[04:01] <apokryphos> elad`: apt-cache show build-essential
[04:01] <prime1> any ideas ?
[04:01] <bur[n] er> prime1: use gaim?
[04:01] <ompaul> bur[n] er, go take the closed source route, I am sure when you think you need something like cyrus thinks cyrus does they will look after you or you will be able to look after yourself
[04:01] <userver> I have trouble with my  scanner.. I have  all in one scanner and printer.. Printer is OK.. scanner can't work
[04:01] <prime1> gaim ?
[04:02] <prime1> whats that or do i just google it
[04:02] <apokryphos> prime1: it's the Ubuntu IM client
[04:02] <er4z0r> no
[04:02] <bur[n] er> ompaul: i just think it's a good quality browser... I speak nothing of philosophies
[04:02] <cyrus> what about, is it possible to use a webcam or mic in yahoo here in ubuntu?
[04:02] <er4z0r> its the GNOME IM Client ;)
[04:02] <bur[n] er> prime1: you have it already
[04:02] <prime1> really ?
[04:02] <bur[n] er> er4z0r: it's a GTK IM client
[04:02] <bur[n] er> :P
[04:03] <prime1> i love microsoft !
[04:03] <bur[n] er> prime1: if you have ubuntu, you have gaim
[04:03] <apokryphos> prime1: congrats
[04:03] <prime1> cant get gaim up !
[04:03] <apokryphos> why ever not?
[04:03] <bur[n] er> prime1: viagra
[04:03] <cyrus> is it possible to use a webcam or mic in yahoo here in ubuntu?
[04:03] <elad`> I love MS too.
[04:03] <er4z0r> prime1: caialis
[04:03] <nybble> elad` those words scare me
[04:03] <Ng> cyrus: probably not
[04:04] <userver> somebody can help me about my scanner please??????
[04:04] <cyrus> waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
[04:04] <elad`> Nobody has raped me into using their products yet. If I don't like one of their OSes, I don't use it.
[04:04] <_n00blar_> is anyone here using gmail-notify?
[04:04] <markuman> ive build  xfce4-taskmanager_0.3.1-1_amd64.deb from source....someone want to test?
[04:04] <elad`> And WinXP I like. I'd change an awful lot, but overall, I'm not uncontent.
[04:04] <apokryphos> cyrus: please don't be annoying
[04:04] <elad`> or is it discontent?
[04:05] <nybble> just say 'i'm content'
[04:05] <Ng> cyrus: there is GnomeMeeting, which lets you use a webcam/mic with other GnomeMeeting users and NetMeeting users, that can probably talk to other things too, like VOIP and stuff, but I don't know
[04:05] <jadedstar> yes
[04:05] <elad`> nybble, I'd rather say it my way.
[04:05] <nybble> elad` whatever, your choice...
[04:06] <_n00blar_> is anyone here using gmail-notify? I got the package through apt-get but it appears that something's wrong with it. It keeps saying that login/password are incorrect
[04:06] <nybble> _n00blar_: it doesnt work for me either
[04:06] <jadedstar> _n00blar_: nope sorry :-(
[04:06] <nybble> its probably working off of old gmail code,
[04:06] <_n00blar_> nybble, ok...I'll get the source and compile it then
[04:06] <nybble> i cant get mail-notification or whatever working iehter
[04:06] <userver> somebody know something about HP 1210 ???
[04:07] <Seveas> _n00blar_, you can use any mail notifier that supprts pop3s...
[04:07] <elad`> Gnome's (pronounced nowm?) top bar is pretty, makes the desktop symmetrical, but it's a waste of screen realestate (I hate this catchphrase).
[04:07] <_n00blar_> nybble, I know the Mozilla extension works nicely
[04:07] <Echelon-H> thoreauputic, thanks a lot it worked
[04:07] <bur[n] er> userver: i have a 1209... works with the hpijs driver to print
[04:07] <prime1> where do i find gaim guys ?
[04:07] <bur[n] er> userver: try "xsane" to scan
[04:07] <nybble> yea, but i dont like having mozilla open to know when i have email, _nooblar_
[04:07] <_n00blar_> Seveas, can u recommend one?
[04:07] <bur[n] er> prime1: applications -> internet -> instant messenger
[04:07] <Seveas> no :)
[04:07] <elad`> How is Gnome pronounced?
[04:08] <_n00blar_> nybble, true, that's why I was looking for gmail-notify :)
[04:08] <nybble> GaNome
[04:08] <bur[n] er> guh-nome
[04:08] <prime1> thank you burgerman !!!!!!
[04:08] <nybble> yea,
[04:08] <elad`> You've got to be kidding me...
[04:08] <Ng> as in GNU :)
[04:09] <elad`> Anyhow, I tried "apt-get install build-essential", and it requires the CD, which I no longer have. How do I make it download whatever it needs?
[04:09] <Seveas> remove the CD line from /etc/apt/sources.list
[04:09] <elad`> Thanks.
[04:09] <elad`> Wait, but the WORD "gnome", that midget thingie, it's pronounced "nowm", right?
[04:10] <Seveas> yes
[04:10] <elad`> The world makes sense once more.
[04:10] <Seveas> more like nohwm
[04:10] <prime1> ok ive got gaim in front of me but how do i get me msn messenger up ?
[04:10] <Seveas> add your msn account to it...
[04:11] <elad`> I can't find the CD line in my sources.list.
[04:11] <OSx86_Mafia> elad`, i thing its cause rms says guh-noo, although i thought the animal gnu, was pronounced noo
[04:11] <butcherbird> elad`, very top
[04:11] <Seveas> elad`, probably the first one
[04:11] <bur[n] er> prime1: gaim.sf.net <---read :P
[04:12] <elad`> Oh, before the first comments.
[04:13] <elad`> I didn't know the animal gnu was pronounced noo. Sounds very odd.
[04:13] <Seveas> the animal is pronounsed as guh-noo
[04:14] <userver> bur[n] er  THat is the problem. Printer can work fine with hpijs.. But i try to open XSANE and say "no hay dispositivos disponibles" (can't find the scanner)
[04:15] <reiki_work> would that make those teeny, tiny, flies, guh-nats?
[04:15] <bur[n] er> userver: honestly, i haven't tried to scan yet ;) sorry man
[04:15] <ugly_naked_guy> echo "Hello World";
[04:16] <elad`> Hello world
[04:16] <ugly_naked_guy> ....
[04:16] <ugly_naked_guy> you mean
[04:16] <userver> bur[n] er OK.. don't worry .. I will try...
[04:16] <userver> byeee
[04:17] <nybble> lol
[04:17] <Seveas> nybble, you've seen too much of friends...
[04:17] <ugly_naked_guy> oh~my god
[04:17] <beti7> any body who knows how to speak tagalog
[04:17] <nybble> i'm just joking with you, ugly_naked_guy
[04:17] <elad`> So, GIMP still isn't working.
[04:17] <jkl-> "dpkg -S mysql_config" is for checking from which package is a selected file - but what if i dont have this package installed and i still want to know from which package it comes? how do i do that?
[04:17] <Hugge> mount /etc/pretty_naked_girl /dev/penis
[04:17] <Seveas> beti7, wouldn't #ubuntu-id be more appropriate for that...
[04:17] <Seveas> jkl-, apt-file
[04:18] <ugly_naked_guy> em~I think my nickname is neat
[04:18] <nybble> and from friends...
[04:18] <Ungy_> I am having trouble with the breezy installer
[04:18] <ugly_naked_guy> yeah you got it
[04:18] <firestor1> I'm having trouble finding linux-image 2.6.13 in synaptic and apt-get....I only seem to have linux-image 2.6.11...Any hints?
[04:18] <jkl-> Seveas: lemme try that :)
[04:18] <reiki_work> Seveas: same guy that ran liveCD on our ThinkPad demo yesterday, took liveCD home and ran it on his HP laptop. He said it all worked fine except the linksys pcmcia wireless card. I showed him the Wiki.  HIs response..."Incredible"... hahahha... way too easy! He's hooked!
[04:18] <Seveas> firestor1, 2.6.11 packages are broken
[04:18] <beti7> thanks
[04:18] <Seveas> stick to .10 on hoary
[04:19] <ugly_naked_guy> apt-cache search linux-image*
[04:19] <firestor1> Seveas: 2.6.11 has *mostly* worked for me...what specifics are broken? and why isn't there a 2.6.13 yet?
[04:20] <apokryphos> firestor1: because it was only just released, and breezy is coming up
[04:20] <Hoxzer> can I somehow increase the font size in xine-totem?
[04:20] <firestor1> ugly_naked_guy: I know that command but its result set is 2.6.10 and 2.6.11....there is no 2.6.12 or 2.6.13
[04:20] <Seveas> firestor1, 2.6.11 was a testbuild with known issues
[04:20] <Seveas> and there is no newer since hoary is *stable*
[04:20] <ugly_naked_guy> mine is 2.6.10-5
[04:20] <Ungy_> I downloaded te installer for Breezy yesterday and I have had two problems when I atempt to set the time I say that my hardware clock is no tset to UTC and then I tell it my time zone but the damned clock ends up telign me I am on UTC and then drops my system tim eby 4 hours which doesn't even figure in my actual time zone
[04:20] <elad`> configure: error: *** Didn't find any of FreeType, X11, or Win32. *** Must have at least one backend to build Pango.
[04:20] <firestor1> apokryphos: okay...so if I want 2.6.13 I'd have to roll my own from source?
[04:20] <Seveas> ugly_naked_guy, that's the correct one for hoary
[04:20] <apokryphos> firestor1: correct
[04:20] <Ungy_> Secondly the installer hangs at 4% not sure why but i tjust hangs and I don;t know how to fix it
[04:20] <elad`> fontconfig?
[04:21] <elad`> Nope. So, what's my problem?
[04:21] <firestor1> apokryphos: thanks :)
[04:21] <elad`> apt-get install WinXP
[04:22] <ugly_naked_guy> -_-!
[04:22] <nybble> lol
[04:22] <elad`> What's my Pango problem?
[04:22] <lesshaste>  is there a linux equivalant to the dos "fdisk /mbr"?
[04:22] <ugly_naked_guy> god bless me
[04:22] <Seveas> lesshaste, grub-install hd0
[04:22] <moyk> hi
[04:23] <psusi> lesshaste: yea... run lilo and have it install to the MBR
[04:23] <Elko> where can I find a document explaining howto update a fresh hoary to warty?
[04:23] <Ng> Elko: that would be a downgrade ;)
[04:23] <apokryphos> Elko: that would be downgrading
[04:23] <Seveas> Elko, hoary is newer...
[04:23] <Ng> and you don't want to do that
[04:23] <Elko> oh
[04:23] <apokryphos> Elko: what are you running? Hoary?
[04:23] <Elko> ic
[04:23] <moyk> can some1 help on how to use run ym using wine?
[04:23] <elad`> checking for fontconfig >= 1.0.1... Package fontconfig was not found in the pkg-config search path.
[04:23] <Elko> apokryphos: hoary 5.04
[04:23] <Ungy_> So I take it noone can help me with my problems
[04:23] <Seveas> moyk, use gaim, ym sucks and won't run with wine
[04:23] <ugly_naked_guy> ym?what's the ym
[04:24] <lesshaste> Seveas psusi thx
[04:24] <Seveas> yahoo messenger (i assume)
[04:24] <apokryphos> Elko: you're running the latest stable. You can upgrade to breezy on Oct 13th when it's officially released, if you like. Just by altering one file and entering one command =)
[04:24] <ugly_naked_guy> ~
[04:24] <ugly_naked_guy> oh~I use gaim
[04:24] <moyk> seveas, where can i find that? is it easy to install? and will it work with other ym users?
[04:24] <Seveas> gaim is installed by default and works fine
[04:24] <elad`> erhaps you should add the directory containing `fontconfig.pc' to the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable - How do I do that?
[04:24] <er4z0r> I want to run tomcat as another User
[04:24] <er4z0r> how do I prevent this user from becoming a security-risk to my system
[04:24] <Seveas> elad`, what are you compiling?
[04:25] <moyk> i'm using Ubuntu
[04:25] <elad`> Pango
[04:25] <ompaul> if you have your panels hidden and you click on a menu on the top one (system) and then try to get a program into the foreground from the bottom panel (also hidden) does the fact that you have to cancel the top item or complete an action before you can get the bottom panel to react, would you consider this a bug or a feature?
[04:25] <Elko> apokryphos: good to hear
[04:25] <er4z0r> I mean how can I prevent $evilguy to login with that username?
[04:25] <er4z0r> is setting the login-shell to /bin/false or something?
[04:25] <Ungy_> apokryphos so should I install hopary?
[04:25] <Seveas> er4z0r, or simply passwd -l $evilguy
[04:25] <Elko> er4z0r: passwd -l #evilguy
[04:25] <Elko> heh
[04:25] <apokryphos> Ungy_: you're running warty?
[04:25] <Seveas> :)
[04:26] <Ungy_> apokryphos no I am tryign to do an install
[04:26] <elad`> add the directory containing `fontconfig.pc' to the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable - How?
[04:26] <apokryphos> Ungy_: Hoary is the latest stable, yes.
[04:26] <Seveas> elad`, what are you compiling? <---
[04:26] <elad`> Pango
[04:26] <jkl-> Seveas: thanks for the info about the apt-file - btw. is there a website that has similar functionality? (ie: ability to search from which package the file is)?
[04:26] <elad`> Seveas, Pango.
[04:26] <Ungy_> apokryphos I am going to give ubuntu a try I have beenrunning debian for a couple years now
[04:26] <Seveas> jkl-, packages.ubuntu.com
[04:26] <apokryphos> jkl-: packages.ubuntu.com
[04:26] <apokryphos> geh
[04:26] <Ng> ompaul: that's perhaps unhelpful, but intended behaviour, popup menus tend to prevent other things from happening until they are dismissed, otherwise they'd hang around for ages ;)
[04:26] <Seveas> elad`, install it with apt...
[04:26] <jkl-> neat :)
[04:26] <apokryphos> Ungy_: a good idea =)
[04:27] <elad`> How should I call it?
[04:27] <ugly_naked_guy> :)
[04:27] <Ungy_> apokryphos I want to install it for my wife but I gotta get familiar with it. So when she runs into problems I can fix it
[04:27] <ompaul> ng that makes sense at several levels, just the one I was on a minute ago it didn't :)
[04:27] <Seveas> apt-get install libpango1.0-0
[04:27] <psusi> I'm trying to get ubuntu to recognize my via sata scsi raid array... right now it only sees the two seperate disks instead of the array.... can someone help?
[04:28] <apokryphos> Ungy_: it's very similar to Debian, and there's a lot of great documentation on the Wiki. We're also always here to help :)
[04:28] <Ungy_> apokryphos but my initial impression given the installer for breezy isn;t very good
[04:28] <Ng> ompaul: it was a perfectly reasonable question :)
[04:28] <Elko> Ungy_: I never used Debian before, but LFS. I'm using ubuntu since last sunday and it works ootb here
[04:28] <apokryphos> Ungy_: the Ubuntu one is pretty quick
[04:28] <elad`> Seveas, it says it's already installed. This... makes little sense.
[04:28] <Ungy_> apokryphos the time thing is messed up on the image I got yesterday
[04:29] <Seveas> elad`, so you have pango already (which i expected...)
[04:29] <apokryphos> Ungy_: easily changeable
[04:29] <Seveas> why were you trying to xompile it?
[04:29] <ompaul> Ng, well I do _try_
[04:29] <Ungy_> apokryphos I attempt to set my time I tell it hardware is not set to UTC and then specify EST and the damn thing still says hardware is UTC and then adds 4 ours to my machines time
[04:30] <elad`> I was lead to believe it's missing. Never mind. On to the next prequisites for gimpshop.
[04:30] <Seveas> elad`, hint: apt-get install gimp
[04:30] <Seveas> that drags in all dependencies
[04:30] <Ungy_> apokryphos and then the installer hangs when it reaches 4% I think it is determining video modes I know I have an ATI 9600 Pro but I have never had an installer hang like that
[04:30] <Seveas> if you want to compile gimpshop: apt-get build-dep gimp
[04:30] <apokryphos> Ungy_: don't worry about the time issue for now; that can be resolved later.
[04:31] <elad`> Seveas, it's gimpshop I'm trying to install. GIMP I had installed already (and it stopped working since I've tried installing gimpshop).
[04:31] <apokryphos> Ungy_: sounds like theirs a problem with the image; hm
[04:31] <gremid> hi, can someone tell me, whether breezy will have builtin wpa support?
[04:31] <Seveas> elad`, I know gimp isn't gimpshop but the dependenies are about the same, so the apt system can help you anyway
[04:31] <Ungy_> apokryphos yeah I know I can fix it once it is installed I guess I can try the hoary image I downloaded both
[04:31] <Seveas> especially the build-dep trick if you are trying to compile it
[04:32] <apokryphos> Ungy_: what image were you trying then, if not hoary?
[04:32] <elad`> Seveas, but since it's already installed, apt-getting it shouldn't really reinstall anything. Or if it did, what good would it do?
[04:32] <lokadin> is there any way to make the stupid dell pads from not clicking when you touch them?
[04:32] <elad`> Supposing gimpshop is installed, how do I launch it?
[04:32] <lokadin> stop them from clicking*
[04:32] <lokadin> on like laptops
[04:32] <apokryphos> elad`: alt+f2 -> gimpshop (whatever that is)
[04:32] <Seveas> elad`, depends on how you installed it. I don't know gimpshop at all so don;t count on me to know more about it :)
[04:33] <Ungy_> apokryphos ubuntu-5.10-preview-install-i386.iso
[04:33] <jadedstar> Can someone point me to the differences between Ubuntu and Kubuntu (and the first person who says gnome vs. kde gets kicked in the head...) :-)
[04:33] <boogster> d
[04:33] <Ungy_> jadedstar that is it
[04:33] <Seveas> jadedstar, that IS the difference
[04:33] <apokryphos> Ungy_: oh. That ISO is a little dated; CD ISOs are built daily; better to grab a newer one, preview was quite some time ago :P
[04:33] <elad`> Intermittent Thank you all.
[04:34] <Ungy_> apokryphos I got it yesterday from teh website? I will try the 5.04 oen then
[04:34] <jadedstar> Ungy_, Seveas: lol i meant i'm not that advanced with Ubuntu (or Linux in general) so I don't the pro's/con's of each
[04:34] <Java_the_Hutt> Question: I have my phone paired through bluetooth. Now i want to connect to internet through GPRS (my phone is already configured for it). What should i do ?
[04:34] <Seveas> jadedstar, then go for gnome :)
[04:34] <boogster> gnome sucks balls, kde is the best
[04:34] <Ungy_> jadestar you can have both if you like and try them out as well just install ubuntu and run a simple command
[04:34] <apokryphos> Ungy_: I'd say go for Hoary if you want guaranteed stability, or go for yesterday's Breezy ISO :P
[04:34] <Seveas> boogster, language...
[04:35] <nybble> Java_the_Hutt, well you need to have it work as a modem, and then config it to dial your service providers gprs access number
[04:35] <fredforfaen> boogster you should repect gnome
[04:35] <fredforfaen> respect*
[04:35] <Ungy_> apokryphos ok I will install hoary then dist-upgrade
[04:35] <apokryphos> boogster: trolling is pretty lame
[04:35] <boogster> gnome is 3 years behind kde in all respects
[04:35] <fredforfaen> i dont like kde , but i still give it the respect it deserves
[04:35] <jadedstar> Seveas: I figured as much, but i here Kubuntu is a bit more...attractive
[04:35] <boogster> i'm not trolling, i'm being honest
[04:35] <Seveas> boogster, get a clue, it is not
[04:35] <nybble> boogster: then why did i switch from kde?
[04:35] <Java_the_Hutt> nybble, currently it is connected to rfcomm0, but i cant get to next step!
[04:35] <apokryphos> boogster: you're trolling
[04:35] <Seveas> and go to another channel for gnome/kde wars
[04:35] <apokryphos> Ungy_: either way :)
[04:36] <boogster> because you obviously didn't like your previous kde distro
[04:36] <Ungy_> jadestar kde does have nice features but it is bloatwarte lots of crap you don't need
[04:36] <prolsd> the fact is that no one cares, boogster.
[04:36] <nybble> boogster.... join #gnomevskde
[04:36] <prolsd> now crawl back in that poohole.
[04:36] <apokryphos> !start a desktop war
[04:36] <ubotu> fluxbox is much better than kde!
[04:36] <nybble> amen ubotu...
[04:36] <Seveas> prolsd: Please keep the code of conduct in mind when chatting here. You can find it at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/community/conduct
[04:36] <nybble> if only you were real
[04:36] <apokryphos> boogster, Ungy_: #ubuntu-offtopic is ready for both :)
[04:36] <Ungy_> fluxbox rocks
[04:36] <prolsd> Auch. Sorry about that. :)
[04:36] <elad`> Setting up gimp (2.2.4-2) ... <newline> root@ubuntu:/home/elad/Desktop #
[04:37] <fredforfaen> yeah fulx ias tha best
[04:37] <boogster> fluxbox is so 90's
[04:37] <fredforfaen> flux*
[04:37] <apokryphos> boogster: eh? I use KDE now; I think I do like it.
[04:37] <elad`> Is it just me, or has the dpkg -i crashed?
[04:37] <nybble> lol!
[04:37] <nybble> he actually went there!
[04:37] <nybble> hah!
[04:37] <s-ndh-c> re
[04:37] <prolsd> hahah
[04:37] <apokryphos> nybble: why not?
[04:37] <fredforfaen> haha
[04:37] <apokryphos> nybble: that's the channel for general chatter
[04:37] <s-ndh-c> will i break something if i enable the root account?
[04:37] <nybble> i just created #gnomevskde
[04:38] <fredforfaen> lol
[04:38] <[LethAL] > thoreauputic, You around?
[04:38] <fredforfaen> good one nybble
[04:38] <prolsd> s-ndh-c, that entirely depends what you do after you enable it :D
[04:38] <Seveas> s-ndh-c, ye
[04:38] <Seveas> s-ndh-c, yes
[04:38] <s-ndh-c> iam so stupid i used setuidroot and wondered why it didnt run as root
[04:38] <elad`> Help?
[04:38] <thoreauputic> [LethAL] : kind of...
[04:38] <s-ndh-c> :P
[04:38] <Ungy_> apokryphos  I just burned the Hoary ISo wish me luck.
[04:38] <[LethAL] > thoreauputic, That problem means I can't login :(
[04:38] <thoreauputic> [LethAL] : in and out :)
[04:38] <simzim> hi
[04:39] <s-ndh-c> Seveas:  i want to start a programm with chmod +s
[04:39] <simzim> could someone help me
[04:39] <apokryphos> Ungy_: good luck :)
[04:39] <thoreauputic> [LethAL] : sorry, refresh my memory please
[04:39] <boogster> kde 4 is going to kill gnome
[04:39] <s-ndh-c> cause sudo does not echo into /proc
[04:39] <s-ndh-c> that sucks
[04:39] <simzim> i try to install vlc
[04:39] <Seveas> s-ndh-c, bs it does
[04:39] <Seveas> you just don't understand redirecting
[04:39] <[LethAL] > thoreauputic, "Can't copy your Xauthorization file" or something similar
[04:39] <simzim> how could i get it to work under ubuntu
[04:39] <guidouil> hello, I have something strange with Breezy Ubuntu, the local consoles is out of range for my screen... (I don't have the same problem with hoary)
[04:39] <Seveas> sudo echo foo > bar runs the redirect as you not as root
[04:39] <s-ndh-c> Seveas:  why?
[04:40] <butcherbird> simzim, sudo apt-get install vlc did that work?
[04:40] <Seveas> because > is parsed by bash
[04:40] <Seveas> not by sudo
[04:40] <Seveas> just like *any* redirect
[04:40] <thoreauputic> [LethAL] : ah I remember now - and changing ownership of .Xauthority didn't help?
[04:40] <[LethAL] > nope
[04:40] <lesshaste> Seveas: the answer is : http://ms-sys.sourceforge.net/ is seems :)
[04:40] <[LethAL] > thoreauputic, Here it says 100 owns it, which I guess makes sense
[04:40] <[LethAL] > 1000*
[04:41] <simzim> no, there are unmet dependencies
[04:41] <s-ndh-c> Seveas:  but how do i do that then?
[04:41] <thoreauputic> 1000 would be the first user, yes
[04:41] <guidouil> someone now how to change the resolution/frequency of the local consol ?
[04:41] <Seveas> s-ndh-c, echo foo | sudo tee /proc/whatever
[04:41] <guidouil> ctrl+Alt+F1
[04:41] <cyphase> can someone name a good open source database design tool
[04:41] <butcherbird> simzim, sudo "gedit /etc/apt/sources.list" uncomment everything
[04:41] <lesshaste> cyphase: database design...hmm... try freshmeat.net.. what is a commercial one?
[04:42] <__filip_> someone know an webpage maker tool in ubuntu?
[04:42] <simzim> ok i will try it
[04:42] <butcherbird> simzim, well not "everything"
[04:42] <[LethAL] > __filip_, nvu
[04:42] <butcherbird> simzim, just the urls
[04:42] <guidouil> cyphase, mysql and phpmyadmin ;)
[04:42] <cyphase> design, not admin :)
[04:42] <Seveas> guidouil, *design* not administration
[04:42] <Seveas> lol :)
[04:42] <thoreauputic> [LethAL] : is your use id 1000 ? type  "id" without quotes to see
[04:42] <cyphase> :)
[04:42] <lesshaste> __filip_: nvu ?
[04:42] <Howdy> Is ubuntuguide.org off line or doesn't exsist anymore ?
[04:42] <bulletino> hi all
[04:42] <thoreauputic> *user id
[04:42] <s-ndh-c> Seveas:  that segfaults here
[04:42] <Alex_BO> HELLO!How can i export a file from OO to the Post Script format?
[04:42] <__filip_> thnax
[04:42] <apokryphos> Howdy: we'd wish it wouldn't exist, but alas, it's probably just temporarily down
[04:43] <[LethAL] > thoreauputic, If I was on Ubuntu, I'm damn sure it would be ;)
[04:43] <Seveas> Howdy, hopefully the latter but probably the former
[04:43] <guidouil> seveas, what is wrong with pen & paper for the design ?
[04:43] <cyphase> Howdy, the url is not registered
[04:43] <Seveas> s-ndh-c, then you have broken something :)
[04:43] <cyphase> could not be found it says
[04:43] <Howdy> LOL .. ok thanks ..
[04:43] <lesshaste> cyphase: what is a commercial one?
[04:43] <esiqio> hi
[04:43] <bluesceada> Alex_BO: you can to pdf by exporting as pdf ...
[04:43] <Seveas> guidouil, that's an awful job for large databases :)
[04:43] <bluesceada> but postscropt dont know .. when printing it gets converted to that
[04:43] <Seveas> but dia (or any diagram editor) should work :)
[04:43] <yao> who can tell me how to install msn in ubuntu
[04:43] <[LethAL] > thoreauputic, If you think of anything else, send me a pm. I'm going out now
[04:43] <thoreauputic> [LethAL] : seems odd - I can't really help you if the usual fix didn't work
[04:43] <Alex_BO> bluesceada, yes, but pdf is a propetary format
[04:43] <cyphase> lesshaste, i don't know :)
[04:43] <Seveas> yao, applications -> internet -> gaim
[04:44] <[LethAL] > yao, sudo apt-get install gaim
[04:44] <cyphase> oracle designer..
[04:44] <lesshaste> cyphase: have you ever seen or used a database design tool?? I mean.. what do you expect it to :)
[04:44] <Seveas> Alex_BO, the pdf format is open..
[04:44] <apokryphos> [LethAL] : it's in Ubuntu by default; no need to try to install
[04:44] <handy_man21> hello guys...
[04:44] <apokryphos> Hola
[04:44] <thoreauputic> [LethAL] : try just removing those files instead ( sudo rm ) - they regenerate
[04:44] <Alex_BO> Seveas, really?so it's under GPL licence or something like that?
[04:44] <guidouil> does someone know how to change the resolution/frequency of the local consol ? when I do CTRL+ALT+F1 my screen says OUT OF RANGE :( please help (ssh from another machine work thought and gnome load ok)
[04:44] <lokadin> so anyone know how to get laptop mouse pad things to not click when you touch them?
[04:45] <Seveas> lokadin, it's an option in xorg.conf
[04:45] <guidouil> lokadin, not on my side sorry :(
[04:45] <Seveas> (don't know the details sorry)
[04:45] <nybble> so boogster. if your still going to flame about that, come bck
[04:45] <nybble> *back
[04:45] <yao> but it can connect with msn?
[04:46] <handy_man21> can somebody help us setup the file sharing in Kubunto distro.
[04:46] <Seveas> yao, msn, icq, aim, yahoo, google talk, jabber
[04:46] <Seveas> irc
[04:46] <yao> thanks
[04:46] <lokadin> Seveas, do you know which option it might be? or perhaps point me in a direction from which i might find out
[04:46] <s-ndh-c> hm
[04:46] <handy_man21> can somebody help us setup the file sharing in Kubunto distro.
[04:46] <Seveas> lokadin, www.google.com/search?q=synaptic+click+xorg :)
[04:46] <guidouil> man xorg.conf ;)
[04:46] <s-ndh-c> next prob is that cufreq is not working anymore
[04:47] <s-ndh-c> there is nothing in /sys
[04:47] <guidouil> does someone know how to change the resolution/frequency of the local consol ? when I do CTRL+ALT+F1 my screen says OUT OF RANGE :( please help (ssh from another machine work thought and gnome load ok)
[04:47] <s-ndh-c> dunno why
[04:47] <lokadin> Seveas, thanks :D
[04:47] <s-ndh-c> do they apply pacthes to the ubuntu kernel sources? or are those plain vanilla kernels?
[04:47] <Seveas> s-ndh-c, patched :)
[04:47] <TFM> I wanna play wmv files on ubuntu
[04:48] <s-ndh-c> if i compile from source the kernel seems to be broken
[04:48] <s-ndh-c> i cant load my ndiswrapper module
[04:48] <TFM> I tired to instal the w32codecs, but it says it could not find the code
[04:48] <guidouil> TFM, try mediaplayer
[04:48] <Seveas> TFM, then install mplayer or totem-xine
[04:48] <s-ndh-c> it says invalid module format
[04:48] <Seveas> and w32codecs
[04:48] <oceandead> apt-get install w32codecs
[04:48] <Seveas> s-ndh-c, ubuntu kernels come with mplayer
[04:48] <s-ndh-c> i did make clean and recompiled but it reamains
[04:48] <TFM> ya I tired this command sudo apt-get install w32codecs, it did not worked
[04:48] <oceandead> have to add repos
[04:48] <oceandead> !repos
[04:48] <ubotu> somebody said repos was at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto A list of official repositories can be found at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969
[04:48] <Seveas> TFM, www.mplayerhq.hu
[04:49] <Seveas> w32codecs is no longer in hoary-extras
[04:49] <apokryphos> Seveas: I got site with the deb; no need
[04:49] <apokryphos> TFM: grab the one from here then use dpkg to install http://giannaros.org/public/hoarydebs/
[04:49] <guidouil> i think it's in multiverse now :)
[04:49] <apokryphos> guidouil: nope
[04:50] <fredforfaen> is this a good choice for a agp graphics card? ; http://www.pcutstyr.no/main.php3?PI=info&PNO=136462
[04:50] <yao> thanks, it's ok
[04:51] <boogster> FX5200 sucks azz
[04:51] <simzim> thx butcherbird, now it works :-D
[04:51] <s-ndh-c> can i find howtos for installing and seting up ser orb asterisk in the bubuntu wiki?
[04:51] <Masterkong> eh..hi'
[04:51] <nybble> wow, thanks apokryphos
[04:51] <s-ndh-c> or is that too not dekstop use stuff
[04:51] <fredforfaen> boogster i have a fx5200 already and it works just fine , but its msi this is Gainward
[04:51] <Masterkong> what is the name of the kernel package.. i wanna know if i can upgrade my kernel via aptitude
[04:52] <s-ndh-c> kernel-image-something
[04:52] <s-ndh-c> i guess
[04:52] <Seveas> Masterkong, install linux-686 (intel cpu) or linux-k7 (amd) to keep your kernel current
[04:52] <Seveas> s-ndh-c, wrong guess :)
[04:52] <s-ndh-c> damn why is everything different here?
[04:53] <s-ndh-c> is that to confuss those who worked with debian befobbre :P
[04:53] <Seveas> s-ndh-c, yes ;)
[04:53] <fredforfaen> bye all
[04:53] <psusi> is there any chance that dmraid will be built into the breezy final release?
[04:54] <yao> and who can tell me install the chinese
[04:54] <Masterkong> how do i know what kernel i am using now?
[04:54] <Seveas> Masterkong, uname -r
[04:54] <psusi> or cat /proc/version
[04:55] <Masterkong> hm.. it says 386.. but i know i have an amd...
[04:55] <Masterkong> strange
[04:55] <s-ndh-c> hm
[04:55] <psusi> that is because you installed the i386 build
[04:56] <s-ndh-c> but thats not bad is it?
[04:56] <s-ndh-c> it is not optimized
[04:56] <s-ndh-c> b ut should work without ptoblems i guess
[04:56] <Seveas> Masterkong, install linux-k7 :)
[04:56] <psusi> the 64 bit build probably will be a bit faster
[04:56] <s-ndh-c> damn i need ton of those athlon 64 dualcores
[04:57] <s-ndh-c> *one
[04:57] <lokadin> Seveas, :( it didn't work
[04:57] <s-ndh-c> they realy rock
[04:57] <lokadin> oh well
[04:57] <lokadin> does anyone know how to disallow linux to beep?
[04:57] <lokadin> short of disconnecting the speakers
[04:58] <s-ndh-c> but i will allways love my quad ultrasparc2@470mhz sun server :P
[04:58] <s-ndh-c> lokadin:  sure unload the speaker support module
[04:58] <lokadin> s-ndh-c, will i still have sound?
[04:58] <s-ndh-c> lokadin:  yes
[04:58] <lokadin> s-ndh-c, cause i just can't take the bleeping it drives me crazy
[04:58] <lokadin> oh okay
[04:58] <lokadin> thanks:D
[05:00] <s-ndh-c> some one want to change a dual p3 for some ultrasparc or alpha? :P
[05:00] <lokadin> s-ndh-c, :S say i was wondering if perhaps you could point me in the right direction
[05:00] <Ankka> hello
[05:00] <s-ndh-c> lokadin:  wait i look for the name
[05:00] <lokadin> s-ndh-c, :D thanks
[05:00] <Ankka> I just installed ubuntu a day or two ago, but I can't get it to connect to the internet via a router
[05:01] <s-ndh-c> but if this is build static in the kernel you wont have a chance but build by hand
[05:01] <lokadin> Ankka, do you have dhcp on the router?
[05:01] <Ankka> I think it should
[05:01] <lokadin> Ankka, does your ubuntu see the ethernet card?
[05:01] <Ankka> yes
[05:01] <apokryphos> Ankka: sudo dhclient gives?
[05:01] <Ankka> hmm
[05:01] <Ankka> wait I'll try
[05:01] <lokadin> kk
[05:02] <s-ndh-c> lokadin:  its named  pcspkr
[05:02] <s-ndh-c> do lsmod and look if you can see it
[05:04] <lokadin> s-ndh-c, thanks :D
[05:04] <s-ndh-c> lokadin:  no prob
[05:04] <H0lyD4wg> i recently upgraded to Breezy and now fonts look blurry. is there a way i can make them look sharper? (when checking with xmag i see that straight vertical black lines have gray lines right next to them)
[05:05] <Toma-> H0lyD4wg: turn anti-aliasing on?
[05:05] <Toma-> or off
[05:05] <lokadin> s-ndh-c, !!! yay it's heaven
[05:05] <lokadin> s-ndh-c, :D!
[05:05] <yao> all 88
[05:05] <Dalik01> I got dvd playback with audio in totem
[05:06] <s-ndh-c> some hints on my invalid module format error?
[05:06] <Ankka> lokadin:  sudo dhclient gives
[05:06] <lokadin> s-ndh-c, say is there any way to make sure it doesn't load on boot?
[05:06] <Ankka> what should it give, really?
[05:06] <Dalik01> still having problems with mplayer, mplayer-custom wont even start.  But I am having a audio lag issue with totem, any ideas?
[05:06] <lokadin> Ankka, so problem fixed?
[05:06] <Ankka> well, dunno
[05:06] <Seveas> Dalik01, don't use the -custom
[05:06] <lokadin> try ping the router
[05:06] <Ankka> it says there's some unknown hardware address
[05:06] <s-ndh-c> lokadin: look around in /etc/ there must be something like a blacklist for modules that should not be loaded
[05:06] <H0lyD4wg> Toma-: where can i turn AA off for firefox and gaim conversation windows?
[05:07] <lokadin> hmmm do ifconfig eth0
[05:07] <lokadin> s-ndh-c, thanks
[05:07] <lokadin> Ankka, do ifconfig eth0 see if it sees the device
[05:07] <Toma-> id say its in gconf somewhere... but i use kde so no clue sorry.
[05:07] <Seveas> lokadin, s-ndh-c, /etc/hotplug/blacklist
[05:07] <Ankka> lokadin:  the ping just sits there
[05:07] <guidouil> does someone know how to change the resolution/frequency of the local consol ? when I do CTRL+ALT+F1 my screen says OUT OF RANGE :( please help (ssh from another machine work thought and gnome load ok)
[05:07] <s-ndh-c> use fb and be happy :P
[05:07] <H0lyD4wg> Toma-: also, i had AA on in Hoary but it wasn't that bad.  the default fonts don't look very good without AA
[05:08] <Ankka> lokadin:  it does nothing, except says it pings
[05:08] <Toma-> could be pixel hinting aswell
[05:08] <lokadin> Ankka, means it's not working
[05:08] <lokadin> Seveas, thanks :D
[05:08] <H0lyD4wg> Toma-: pixel hinting? as in ttf hinting?
[05:09] <Ankka> lokadin: well, that's kinda what I guessed
[05:09] <guidouil> does someone know how to change the resolution/frequency of the local consol ? when I do CTRL+ALT+F1 my screen says OUT OF RANGE :( please help (ssh from another machine work thought and gnome load ok)
[05:09] <Toma-> nope. its a new thing with fonts and LCD monitors i do believe.... google it
[05:09] <Seveas> guidouil: please stop repeating the same question. If someone knows, (s)he will answer. You can try posting on the mailing list too.
[05:09] <lesshaste>  what's the most popular distro for ppc64?
[05:09] <lesshaste> is there a website for that kind of info?
[05:09] <Toma-> lesshaste: macos :)
[05:10] <lokadin> Ankka, so do ifconfig eth0
[05:10] <guidouil> Toma-, I was going to say freBSD ;)
[05:10] <lesshaste> Toma-: :)
[05:10] <Toma-> hehe
[05:11] <Ankka> lokadin: well, it knows the addr, Bcast and mask
[05:11] <aboyousif> hi all, any arabs here ?
[05:11] <Ankka> lokadin: it tells there are packets there
[05:11] <lokadin> hmmm
[05:11] <Ankka> lokadin: and then it tells me thet there's "UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST"
[05:12] <Ankka> whatever that means
[05:12] <Ankka> yet it doesn't ping the router
[05:12] <lokadin> Ankka, is there an inet addr?
[05:12] <Ankka> lokadin: yes, there is
[05:12] <lokadin> Ankka, and you can't ping your router?
[05:12] <Ankka> lokadin: and an inet6 addr
[05:13] <lokadin> Ankka, are they those of your network?
[05:13] <Ankka> lokadin: hmm
[05:13] <Ankka> lokadin:  should be, but I'll check
[05:13] <lokadin> Ankka, kk
[05:13] <Ungy_> ok I just installed Hoary can I set a root password or what?
[05:13] <lokadin> Ankka, say i g2g, cause i have class now, sorry :S hope you fix your problem
[05:13] <reiki_work> ubotu tell Ungy_ about root
[05:15] <aboyousif> ubotu:
[05:15] <ubotu> aboyousif: Syntax error in line 1
[05:15] <aboyousif> ubotu: i wanna to ask if ubuntu support arabic
[05:15] <ubotu> parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, aboyousif
[05:15] <Ungy_> reiki_work, thanks
[05:15] <reiki_work> np
[05:16] <aboyousif> guys, is ubuntu support arabic?
[05:16] <Seveas> aboyousif, ubotu is a bot (and ubuntu does support arabic)
[05:17] <aboyousif> sevas: thanks alot, but what is ( a bot) ?
[05:17] <jadedstar> aboyousif: it's an automated program
[05:18] <jadedstar> aboyousif: it responds to key phrase (such as "where can I find...")
[05:18] <reiki_work> father of yousif?
[05:18] <aboyousif> oh, i c , sorry for that .
[05:18] <aboyousif> reiki_work: yes it means that, but it is just a nickname to me :)
[05:18] <jadedstar> aboyousif: don't be sorry, just know that you might get...unexpected...answers
[05:18] <reiki_work> aboyousif: I have a friend in Kuwait. I recognized the abo part :)
[05:19] <Ungy_> so there is no security for multiverse repository?
[05:19] <aboyousif> jadedstar, thanks alot
[05:19] <aboyousif> reiki_work: nice to hear that.
[05:20] <aboyousif> your kuwaiti friend is linuxer also :)
[05:20] <Toma-> ubotu: what is the matrix?
[05:20] <ubotu> Toma-: what are you talking about?
[05:20] <reiki_work> aboyousif: I do not know. I haven't been able to reach him in months.  But we'll talk again soon... inshallah
[05:20] <Toma-> must be an agent.
[05:21] <aboyousif> reiki_work: i hope so, inshallah
[05:21] <jadedstar> aboyousif: yw :-)
[05:21] <aboyousif> jadedstar: what is (yw) ?
[05:21] <Pyf> your welcome
[05:22] <jadedstar> aboyousif: I'm sorry, it's abreviated for your welcome
[05:22] <aboyousif> :), guys .. make it easy to me i'm not fleunt in english :)
[05:23] <lesshaste> is there a ppc64 version of ubuntu?
[05:23] <aboyousif> jadedstar: no need to be sorry
[05:24] <reiki_work> ahh... I have a meeting in 3 minutes... I'll be back in a bit
[05:24] <Seveas> lesshaste, not yet
[05:24] <Seveas> there is work going on
[05:24] <lesshaste> ok thx
[05:24] <fusioncow> hi.. anyone gotten an ma111 usb wireless to work on ubuntu?
[05:25] <GhostFreeman> what
[05:25] <GhostFreeman> what's the command to run the Gnome Search utility
[05:26] <jadedstar> GhostFreeman: which search utility?
[05:26] <GhostFreeman> the default search utility included with Gnome
[05:26] <jadedstar> GhostFreeman: You mean for the rep? apt-cache search <name>
[05:26] <GhostFreeman> no
[05:26] <transgress> hey is there a way to make the gnome keyboard-shortcuts use beep-media-player instead of rhythmbox?
[05:27] <GhostFreeman> the one that searches the filesystem
[05:27] <aboyousif> i think he mean the (findfile like) in windows
[05:27] <jadedstar> oh
[05:27] <Seveas> slocate
[05:28] <jadedstar> bah beat me to it :-(
[05:28] <GhostFreeman> thanks
[05:28] <boogster> G G G G G G G UNIT!!!!
[05:29] <Seveas> boogster, ?
[05:30] <jadedstar> Why does ubotu always ask me if I'm on ritalin =/
[05:30] <jadedstar> Am I that hyper? lol
[05:31] <boogster> lol
[05:31] <transgress> also, does anyone know about how much space it would take if i let beagle index my hard drive?
[05:31] <boogster> how big is your hd?
[05:31] <transgress> 80 gigs
[05:31] <transgress> about 50 used
[05:32] <psusi> the more important question is how many files are on the drive
[05:33] <transgress> give or take 2000 mp3s... 500 or so html pages... a few text here and there... 60 or so mpegs...
[05:34] <s-ndh-c> i will try to build a vanilla kernel
[05:35] <Seveas> Belutz, ?
[05:35] <boogster> only 60 pornos?
[05:35] <s-ndh-c> the ubuntu kernel images and selfbuild kernel from ubuntu sources seems buggy on my computer
[05:35] <aboyousif> :)
[05:35] <transgress> ah only about 3 pornos... i don't keep those on hand.  download them atm
[05:36] <s-ndh-c> yesterday my computer just freezed, i opened dd and clicked on the backbutton and my hwole system froze
[05:36] <transgress> i'm just wondering if i'm gonna add like a massive amount of indexed stuff if i index the entire drive... suppose it can't be too much bigger since most of that stuff is in my home drive that is already indexed ...
[05:36] <transgress> i'm lacking quick logical thinking this morning
[05:36] <s-ndh-c> hm
[05:37] <s-ndh-c> its 17:36 here
[05:37] <s-ndh-c> i should watch tv or so
[05:37] <Seveas> 17:37
[05:37] <Seveas> your watch is behind :p
[05:37] <s-ndh-c> while my kernel builds
[05:37] <MrMaDSeN> yes
[05:37] <transgress> 10:30 here... and i have no fucking clue why i'm up...
[05:37] <MrMaDSeN> 17,37
[05:37] <Blazint> in nautilus, i can preview(listen) MP3 files, but i can't preview OGG files, what software do i need to install?
[05:37] <transgress> but for some reason ... i am awake... and not real happy about it... i haven't been getting up before 2pm or 14:00...
[05:38] <s-ndh-c> watches are clocks that can be weared?(or is it worn)?
[05:38] <onkarshinde> How can i configure Nokia 6610 as modem using Infrared?
[05:38] <creart> Hi all, a question; when i download stuff with the package handler, does it then auto install?
[05:38] <s-ndh-c> i have never benn good with the tenses :P
[05:39] <darkheart> creart Typically, yes.
[05:40] <Ankka> ubuntu doesn't connect to the net
[05:40] <Ankka> nor does it even find my router or adsl modem
[05:41] <Ankka> and when I try to connect to the net with it, it kills the router somehow so I need to restart it to connect with other machines either
[05:41] <creart> K, i just downloadet some stuff which should add ntfs support, but nothing changed..
[05:41] <onkarshinde> Ankka: how did you try to configure it?
[05:41] <Ankka> onkarshinde: well, I haven't gotten very far
[05:41] <Ankka> nor do I even know the tools to do so
[05:42] <Ankka> I did do a ifconfig eth0
[05:42] <onkarshinde> Ankka: Did you use command pppoeconf to configure adsl?
[05:42] <Ankka> onkarshinde: no, I don't think I did
[05:42] <ekimus> any snmp gurus here, i did an "snmpwalk -c default -v 2c localhost ifDescr" and the names i get seem to be encoded in a wrong way (non printable chars in the description), any hints on this?
[05:44] <Ankka> onkarshinde: should that be done with or without the router in between?
[05:44] <Ankka> since if the router needs to be removed, then I'll again need to reconnect this machine
[05:44] <ghtyuu> im just after installing ubuntu and when im booting in for the first time i get a kernel panic. hold for error
[05:44] <bipolar> wow... lots of package updates today
[05:44] <ghtyuu> sdc: asking for cache data failed
[05:45] <transgress> is there a way to edit the commands gnome keyboard-shortcuts use?
[05:45] <ghtyuu> sdc: assuming driver cache: write through
[05:45] <onkarshinde> Ankka: Is router same as adsl modem?
[05:45] <ghtyuu> pivot_root: No such file or directory
[05:45] <Ankka> onkarshinde: no, it isn't
[05:45] <Ankka> onkarshinde: the adsl modem connects to the internet, and the router then divides that to more than one machine
[05:46] <onkarshinde> Ankka: What i know is once you connect adsl modem to ethernet jack, pppoeconf is all you need.
[05:46] <onkarshinde> I think you better put router in between.
[05:46] <Ankka> onkarshinde: well, at least now it didn't get anything done
[05:47] <ghtyuu> whats the story
[05:47] <Ankka> onkarshinde: "Access concentrator of your provider did not respond"
[05:47] <ghtyuu> the main error seems to be cannot open dev/console
[05:47] <ghtyuu> No such file
[05:47] <ghtyuu> ive just installed two sata drives
[05:47] <catfox> how can you check if an ip is valid? ie it will be acessable from outside
[05:48] <ghtyuu> and ubuntu is installed on a SCSI
[05:48] <creart> Could someone, please, link me to a good guide in learning to install programs in linux?!
[05:49] <darkheart> creart What exactly do you mean that you had installed ntfs support?
[05:49] <deFrysk> creart,  http://www.us.debian.org/doc/
[05:49] <onkarshinde> creart: go to wiki.ubuntu.com
[05:50] <deFrysk> creart, have a good read
[05:50] <creart> i must admit iam not sure... (noob you know:) but i found some stuff in the package dowloader that said it was support for ntfs in linux..
[05:50] <creart> thx
[05:50] <butcherbird> creart, you might also just type "man apt-get" and take a look at that
[05:52] <ghtyuu> ok, it boots when i disable BIOS detection
[05:53] <ghtyuu> of the new SATA drives that is
[05:53] <creart> but my intentions was to install an "outside" program (fx: crossover office)?!
[05:54] <Ankka> ubuntu doesn't find any ethernet device with pppoeconf
[05:55] <x[BrB] x> im trying to use k3b to burn cd... my problem is i cant see my hdd that im going to copy
[05:55] <Herbal_child> whats the easiest way to get dvd's to play in VLC?
[05:55] <Bad_Magic> can anyone tell me how to get X11 forwarding working over SSH?
[05:55] <x[BrB] x> im trying to use k3b to burn cd... my problem is i cant see my hdd on k3b that im going to copy
[05:56] <djm62> Bad_Magic: do you control the server?
[05:56] <Ankka> does someone know to get ubuntu to find the ethernet?
[05:56] <Bad_Magic> do i have root access? yes
[05:56] <psusi> Bad_Magic: man ssh, iirc it was as simple as passing a flag to ssh telling it to forward X11
[05:56] <Ng> -X
[05:57] <Bad_Magic> we shall try that
[05:57] <ghtyuu> ifup eth0
[05:57] <djm62> Bad_Magic: check that it's enabled in /etc/ssh/sshd_config
[05:57] <Herbal_child> is there any package i can get apt-get for DVD, i wanna watch not burn
[05:57] <lakcaj> Enable X11Forwarding **on the server** (/etc/ssh/sshd_config) and install xauth (in xbase-clients) on both the client and the server. Then you can use ssh -X on the client side. Ssh will run xauth and set the DISPLAY variable automatically. Neither xhost, nor X tcp support are necessary. Hint: ssh -X root@localhost, or http://www.linuks.mine.nu/windows/sshx.html
[05:57] <Bad_Magic> xauth:  error in locking authority file /home/justin/.Xauthority
[05:58] <lakcaj> Herbal_child, ogle
[05:58] <ish> Without an xv package, what command can one use to set the X root image from the command line?
[05:58] <x[BrB] x> im trying to use k3b to burn cd... my problem is i cant see my hdd on k3b that im going to copy
[05:58] <Ng> ish: possibly xsetroot I think
[05:58] <lakcaj> Herbal_child, you will need libdvdcss2 from somewhere also.
[05:58] <Ng> it's been a while since I used that kind of x tool ;)
[05:59] <djm62> ish: what wm are you using...I think blackbox has bsetroot
[05:59] <lakcaj> ish, Esetroot, which comes with eterm is another option.
[05:59] <lakcaj> ish, Esetroot -s /path/to/image
[05:59] <ish> fvwm, but I could still use bsetroot.. or esetroot.. thanks
[05:59] <Herbal_child> ty
[06:00] <jfarrell> hey all, I need to get >=automake-1.7
[06:00] <lakcaj> Bad_Magic, did you see my comment above on x11 forwarding?
[06:00] <jfarrell> but i cant find it on my respositories, suggestions?
[06:00] <libben> anyone knows what i should do when doing samba sharing with xbox? using xbmc. just install samba from sources? and choose something to share with it ?
[06:00] <Maschine> Hi! I have a problem with booting 2 raid devices! I have one SCSI-Raid 1 with 2hdds where the system is installed, which is set as /dev/md0. Now I attached another Raid(5) system with 3 IDE hdds and on bootup the system thinks the IDE Raid is /dev/md0 though this should be /dev/md1... Any ideas where to set the mapping which raid is /dev/mdX?
[06:01] <Bad_Magic> lakcaj: nope must have missed it
[06:01] <lakcaj> Bad_Magic, Enable X11Forwarding **on the server** (/etc/ssh/sshd_config) and install xauth (in xbase-clients) on both the client and the server. Then you can use ssh -X on the client side. Ssh will run xauth and set the DISPLAY variable automatically. Neither xhost, nor X tcp support are necessary. Hint: ssh -X root@localhost, or http://www.linuks.mine.nu/windows/sshx.html
[06:01] <Bad_Magic> its enabled and i tried that
[06:01] <butcherbird> jfarrell, Im seeing it on mine you have universe, multiverse, and extras in sources.list?
[06:01] <Bad_Magic> im getting an error about locking the .Xauth file
[06:01] <djm62> jfarrell: packagename is automake1.7
[06:01] <Kagome_006> ?
[06:01] <lakcaj> Bad_Magic, you installed xauth?
[06:01] <Bad_Magic> that could be it ^^
[06:01] <lakcaj> Bad_Magic, you installed xauth << in xbase-clients
[06:01] <jfarrell> djm62, already tried, said my 1.4 is latest
[06:02] <Bad_Magic> lakcaj: im running from a standard ubuntu install... im not entirely sure what it installs by default
[06:02] <Kagome_006> i need help with sound cards
[06:02] <Fiyawerx> can anyone offer advice on this? in my wireless card properties, if i input my wep code, hit ok, the net works fine, but as soon as i say ok to the "network settings" window, i lose my inet address and get disconnected
[06:02] <djm62> jfarrell: do they conflict?
[06:03] <jfarrell> not that i am aware, should just be a simple upgrad
[06:03] <djm62> jfarrell: they do conflict, because of compatibility problems
[06:03] <Kagome_006> fiyawerx is it wifi
[06:03] <Kagome_006> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WiFiHowto
[06:03] <Fiyawerx> thanks
[06:03] <jfarrell> djm62, I only have universe, how do I add mutliverse and extras
[06:03] <ghtyuu> any1 here own a dell server
[06:03] <tylo> Kagome_006: What about sound cards?
[06:03] <Fiyawerx> will check that out
[06:03] <djm62> "Automake 1.7 fails to work in a number of situations that Automake 1.4 and 1.5 did..."
[06:03] <ghtyuu> if so, what does the ABCD lights stand for on the front
[06:03] <Bad_Magic> lakcaj: how do i check if xauth is installed?
[06:03] <AndieB> How do I shutdown the Apache2 DAEMON and then RESTART it up via a Terminal window?
[06:03] <Kagome_006> sound CARD PLEASE!
[06:03] <jfarrell> so ill remove 1.4 and install 1.7, no big deal
[06:04] <djm62> jfarrell: does apt-cache show automake1.7 show you it?
[06:04] <lakcaj> Bad_Magic, apt-get install xbase-clients
[06:04] <Kagome_006> how do i configure it?
[06:04] <Bad_Magic> lakcaj: yes its installed
[06:04] <jfarrell> yeah
[06:04] <Kagome_006> gtg
[06:04] <jfarrell> hold on, ill remove 1.4
[06:04] <lakcaj> Bad_Magic, you need it installed on both the client and server.
[06:05] <Herbal_child> grrr i cant find the libdvdcss2
[06:05] <x[BrB] x> im trying to use k3b to burn cd... my problem is i cant see my hdd on k3b that im going to copy
[06:05] <Ungy_> hmm I am getting a bunch of lacal errors on my upgrade to Breezy
[06:05] <emile> AndieB: i dont know about apache but usualy there are scripts in /etc/init.d (eg. /etc/init.d/httpd restart)
[06:05] <djm62> x[BrB] x: I don't understand your question
[06:05] <jkl-> AndieB: /etc/init.d/apache2 restart ?
[06:05] <Bad_Magic> i would assume its installed on these computers... its a lab at school tho and i dont hav eaccess to apt-get
[06:05] <Ungy_> LC_ALL unset how do I set it?
[06:05] <AndieB> emile: oki
[06:05] <AndieB> jkl-: Thank you, I'll try it!
[06:06] <jfarrell> djm62, that worked, thanks
[06:06] <SQFreak> Two questions: 1) Is there a backported amaroK 1.3 to hoary? 2) How do I make the boot sequence attempt to mount local drives again (mount -a) AFTER initializing hotplug?
[06:06] <djm62> x[BrB] x: do you mean a hard disk drive, or /dev/hdd ?
[06:06] <Bad_Magic> lakcaj: it appears to be installed (x-window-manager is there)
[06:06] <djm62> jfarrell: coolcool...hope the incompatibilities aren't too nasty ;)
[06:06] <AndieB> What do I write to see what DAEMONs are up and running in a TERMINAL window?
[06:07] <lakcaj> Bad_Magic, "dpkg -l | grep xbase" on the server
[06:07] <x[BrB] x> im trying to use k3b to burn cd... my problem is that, k3b cant see my other drives where my mp3's are stored
[06:07] <Bad_Magic> lakcaj: ii  xbase-clients  6.8.2-10.1     miscellaneous X clients
[06:07] <djm62> SQFreak: update-rc.d
[06:07] <emile> AndieB: to get an overview of running processes type ps auxw|more
[06:07] <Ungy_> x[BrB] x, mount the drive then
[06:07] <AndieB> emile: Thank you!
[06:08] <djm62> AndieB: netstat with the appropriate flags will show you network daemons
[06:08] <lakcaj> Bad_Magic, and you were able to edit /etc/ssh/sshd_config on the server?
[06:08] <nybble> back am i must be
[06:08] <Bad_Magic> lakcaj: correct
[06:08] <AndieB> djm62: Thank you, I'll try it!
[06:09] <Bad_Magic> lakcaj: any idea what the X11 display offset should be set to?
[06:10] <lakcaj> Bad_Magic, no.  It should just automagically work now.  I've gotten it working in the past, just by following those few steps.
[06:10] <Ungy_> I am gettgin a bunch of Locale errors how do I fix them
[06:10] <djm62> AndieB: netstat -lt shows daemons listening on tcp ports (rather than all the IPC guff)
[06:10] <Ungy_> locale: Cannot set LC_ALL to default locale: No such file or directory
[06:10] <AndieB> djm62: Ah, I see!
[06:10] <djm62> Bad_Magic: when you ssh -X user@server, and type echo $DISPLAY, do you get anything?
[06:11] <AndieB> A total different question... How do I search through my harddrive (starting with / (root) ) after a specific file, using wildcards?
[06:11] <Bad_Magic> djm62 localhost:11.0
[06:12] <djm62> AndieB: with the find command, and you're best with man find to see the details/examples
[06:12] <zaphy> Hello
[06:12] <Bad_Magic> djm62: X11 connection rejected because of wrong authentication.
[06:12] <Bad_Magic> when i try to run gedit
[06:12] <AndieB> djm62: Thank you! I ought to use the MAN much more frequent than I do today... .D
[06:13] <zaphy> How do I kill a process that doesn't respond to kill -9 <pid>
[06:13] <djm62> Bad_Magic: what species of X11 is running on the local computer?
[06:13] <transgress> anyone had problems with firefox locking up?
[06:13] <emile> AndieB: find / -iname
[06:13] <Bad_Magic> djm62: in english please? =x
[06:13] <Ungy_> Bad_Magic, Xfree86 x.org
[06:13] <djm62> Bad_Magic: it just might be a problem with xorg vs xfree86...
[06:14] <Bad_Magic> the default install for ubuntu
[06:14] <luite> is it possible to list alle installed packages ordered by size (installed size)?
[06:14] <Ungy_> Bad_Magic, which ubunut
[06:14] <AndieB> emile: Thank you!
[06:14] <Bad_Magic> latest stable
[06:14] <Ungy_> Bad_Magic, breezy = x.org all before are xfree86
[06:14] <nybble> bad_magic: hoary is x.org
[06:14] <nybble> Ungy_ hoary is xorg
[06:14] <djm62> Ungy_: yeah, hoary is x.org
[06:14] <Ungy_> nybble, it is?
[06:14] <nybble> yes, it is
[06:14] <Ungy_> oh ok
[06:15] <nybble> *checks*
[06:15] <Ungy_> wierd
[06:15] <nybble> yes it is
[06:15] <Ungy_> my bad
[06:15] <nybble> np:)
[06:16] <Bad_Magic> beyond that, any idea why im getting an invalid authentication?
[06:16] <Bad_Magic> wrong authentication
[06:16] <Bad_Magic> pardon me
[06:16] <AndieB> I get this errormeassge when trying to start up my Apache2: apache2 -k start
[06:16] <AndieB> (13)Permission denied: make_sock: could not bind to address [::] :80
[06:16] <AndieB> no listening sockets available, shutting down
[06:16] <AndieB> Unable to open logs
[06:17] <nybble> try running 'sudo apache2 -k start', AndieB
[06:17] <SQFreak> All right, how do I change the rc order?
[06:17] <Ungy_> anyone kno whow to fix my locale error
[06:17] <AndieB> nybble: Ah, of course that might help! Silly me!
[06:17] <nybble> lol, np AndieB
[06:17] <djm62> Bad_Magic: you have a DISPLAY set? I'm baffled
[06:17] <Ungy_> locale: Cannot set LC_ALL to default locale: No such file or directory
[06:18] <tritium> AndieB, nybble to restart apache, use sudo /etc/init.d/apache2 restart
[06:18] <nybble> that too....
[06:18] <twoSharp_> I'm having trouble with the screensaver.. in System -> Preferences there are 2 "Screensaver" entries. The one listed first is the "Screensaver"-entry I know from Hoary, but the bottom one, is a nice clean new one.. I liked the new one better but it misses "Properties".. But back to my problem, I can't update "gnome-screensaver" and after opened the "old" "Screensaver"-entry The computer doesn't lock the desktop after 10min anymore...
[06:18] <twoSharp_> What could this and what can I do to fix it?
[06:18] <Bad_Magic> djm62: echo $DISPLAY
[06:18] <Bad_Magic> localhost:11.0
[06:18] <nybble> tritium: yea, thats what i use...but some prefer using the apache tools
[06:19] <djm62> Bad_Magic: and when you run...oclock for instance?
[06:19] <AndieB> tritium: Thank you!
[06:19] <Bad_Magic> djm62: X11 connection rejected because of wrong authentication.
[06:19] <Bad_Magic> X connection to localhost:11.0 broken (explicit kill or server shutdown).
[06:19] <tritium> AndieB, :)
[06:19] <cheesie> !java
[06:19] <ubotu> well, java is to install Java please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java
[06:20] <markuman> apt-cache source gpartet - where i can find than the source???
[06:21] <cheesie> how do i un-install a sudo package on ubuntu?
[06:21] <cheesie> sudo apt-get remove ?
[06:21] <djm62> hmm, that's not a real xserver anyway
[06:21] <nybble> cheesie: unintsall sudo? or uninstall something?
[06:22] <Bad_Magic> djm62: could my X11displayoffset be set too high?
[06:22] <Bad_Magic> djm62: although its at the default
[06:22] <cheesie> a sudo package mybble
[06:22] <Myrtti> uninstall what?
[06:22] <jfarrell> hey all, I am told that I need gtk+2.7, I have 2.6.4 - I am running Hoary, what is the best way to get
[06:22] <cheesie> sudo apt-get remove ? << is it that
[06:22] <djm62> Bad_Magic: no, that's not the error, and it's set automatically (you didn't set it manually right?)
[06:22] <jfarrell> i did an apt-cache search and didnt see it
[06:22] <Bad_Magic> djm62: nope... default
[06:22] <Myrtti> WHY do you want to uninstall SUDO?!?!?!
[06:23] <nybble> cheesie: to uninstall sudo, type 'sudo apt-get remove sudo'... BUT WHY?
[06:23] <tritium> cheesie, that is a very bad idea
[06:23] <nybble> dont run that yet cheesie...
[06:23] <Bad_Magic> i think he means he instaled it with sudo
[06:23] <Myrtti> me not understand, me just a stupid girl.
[06:23] <nybble> CHEEEEEEEESIE!
[06:23] <djm62> jfarrell: if you're developing you might be as well using breezy, or partitioning to use both
[06:23] <Myrtti> me very confused
[06:23] <Bad_Magic> sudo is a command to run the command as a priviledged user
[06:23] <nybble> myrtti: me too
[06:23] <Bad_Magic> ie roto
[06:23] <pipoun> what is channel bonding? I can't get it very well
[06:23] <Bad_Magic> er root
[06:23] <GhostFreeman> whats the command to copy a folder over into another
[06:24] <Myrtti> mv
[06:24] <jfarrell> djm62, how is the upgrade
[06:24] <jfarrell> does it tend to break anything
[06:24] <deFrysk> GhostFreeman, cp
[06:24] <djm62> for that matter, make sure you have an alternative way to get privileges, or removing sudo would be disastrous
[06:24] <osfameron> cp -r
[06:24] <osfameron> cp just gives a helpful message like "skipping directory" :-)
[06:24] <nybble> yes, cheesie... if your going to remove sudo, type 'sudo passwd' and set a root password
[06:24] <SQFreak> How do I change the boot order so that the system attempts to mount drives AFTER starting hotplug?
[06:25] <nybble> FIRST
[06:25] <Bad_Magic> djm62: any other ideas? =\
[06:25] <nybble> uh oh... i think i just told cheesie how to bork his system...
[06:25] <djm62> jfarrell: the reports are varied (I'm not running it...I like stability :) ), but running a system with all kinds of strange packages could be painful, and breezy will be stable in less than a month
[06:25] <jfarrell> djm62, is their anyway to get it for hoary
[06:25] <ghtyuu> how can I see what hard drives are visiblt to the system
[06:25] <jfarrell> like is it on multiverse, or one of te unsable repositotires
[06:26] <ghtyuu> *visible
[06:26] <Bad_Magic> oooh djm62: http://www.scd.ucar.edu/nets/intro/staff/siemsen/hints/x11auth.html
[06:26] <nybble> way 2 go djm62
[06:26] <libben> cheesie: or just type sudo -s everytime u wanna be root until u type exit
[06:26] <tritium> or sudo -i
[06:26] <nybble> cheesie!
[06:26] <nybble> are j00 alive?
[06:26] <djm62> jfarrell: you might be able to get it as a backport
[06:26] <Bad_Magic> djm62: could this be related at the start of my session? /usr/bin/X11/xauth:  /home/justin/.Xauthority not writable, changes will be ignored
[06:26] <tritium> jfarrell, what are you looking for?
[06:27] <jfarrell> djm62, i am just trying to install clearlooks from this review, it looks like a cool desktop theme
[06:27] <nybble> uh oh, cheesies dead... or his eyes fell out
[06:27] <jfarrell> gtk+>=2.7
[06:27] <nybble> jfarrel: pm me the link to the review...
[06:27] <djm62> Bad_Magic: try rm-ing .Xauthority, and logging in again
[06:27] <nybble> jfarrell: pm me the link to the review...
[06:27] <nybble> woops
[06:27] <djm62> hey, let everyone see the review
[06:27] <Bad_Magic> djm62: would that hurt my user thats logged in at home?
[06:27] <tommi^> Hi. I would like to build a firewall with fwbuilder. I have successfully done that before to a server using example firewall with modifications to the policies. Now I'm using cable modem so I have static eth0 connected the cable modem box and dynamic ppp0 which uses the eth0 connection. I'm kinda lost here. An example firewall with this type of setting would be perfect. Other comments are also more than welcome. TIA.
[06:27] <moogman> Hello. I was wondering if it is possible to add the contents of a directory to a drawer panel applet, or something similar?
[06:28] <djm62> Bad_Magic: I don't think so
[06:28] <tritium> jfarrell, 2.8.3 in breezy
[06:28] <jfarrell> tritium, so my question was, does the upgrade break a lot of things
[06:28] <tritium> !info libgtk2.0-dev
[06:28] <ubotu> libgtk2.0-dev: (Development files for the GTK+ library), section libdevel, is optional. Version: 2.6.4-0ubuntu3 (hoary), Packaged size: 6970 kB, Installed size: 35104 kB
[06:28] <Bad_Magic> djm62: and would i possibly need a second user (ie one that isnt already logged into X) to use X11 forwarding
[06:28] <jfarrell> and if there is an easy way to get it other then upgrading
[06:28] <tritium> jfarrell, nah, it's pretty safe
[06:28] <jfarrell> alright then, I shall commence the download
[06:28] <jfarrell> thanks all
[06:29] <Bad_Magic> gluck
[06:29] <Bad_Magic> =)
[06:29] <djm62> Bad_Magic: nope, unix is a multi-user system, include multiple instances of you with X
[06:29] <tritium> jfarrell, it has a few dependencies from breezy that you'll also need.  You can't install just the one package
[06:29] <djm62> Bad_Magic: although if you feel skittish, you could create a test user and log in as him/her
[06:30] <Bad_Magic> djm62 Xauth is created on login im assuming... and im not doing anything mission critical inside X at home so its not a huge deal if it gets borked
[06:30] <Bad_Magic> djm62: so just rm .Xauth?
[06:30] <djm62> Bad_Magic: well, massacre that .Xauthority and log in again
[06:30] <Bad_Magic> in my home dir
[06:31] <oceandead> ill have to re-add base and desktop metapackages back before i try to upgrade to breezy
[06:31] <ggeller> One of my computers is hanging after installing and upgrading ubuntu (both 5.0.4 and 5.10.0 preview).
[06:31] <djm62> Bad_Magic: sounds like a plan
[06:31] <creart> when i installed Breez, i only made one account... is that account also the root?!
[06:31] <ggeller> How can I diagnose the problem?
[06:31] <goldfish> LOL
[06:31] <tritium> ggeller, at which point is it hanging?
[06:31] <djm62> creart: there is no root login, use sudo to get root privileges
[06:31] <creart> sudo?
[06:31] <ggeller> After running X for a while.
[06:32] <ggeller> Anywhere from a few seconds to several hours.
[06:32] <tritium> ubotu, tell creart about rootsudo
[06:32] <cheesie> !java
[06:32] <ubotu> hmm... java is to install Java please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java
[06:32] <ggeller> It is not just X hanging.  The box doesn't respond to pings.
[06:33] <Bad_Magic> djm62: well its rw------- now... should it be different?
[06:33] <lucaas> creart, yes, "sudo command"
[06:33] <Bad_Magic> and its owned by root
[06:33] <SQFreak> cheesie: I've heard that the package mysteriously dissapeard from that repo...
[06:33] <creart> thx
[06:34] <djm62> Bad_Magic: it can't have loose permissions, or it gets rejected
[06:34] <ggeller> It seems to be OK before I do apt-get upgrade or if I muck around with /etc/rc2.d so that gdm doesn't launch, then run from a virtual terminal.
[06:34] <lucaas> im dist-update'ing to breezy, but im getting lots of: perl: warning: Setting locale failed.
[06:34] <djm62> Bad_Magic: vamoosh it as root, then re-login
[06:34] <Bad_Magic> djm62: but shouldnt it be owned by the user and not root?
[06:34] <Bad_Magic> id prefer to not have to rm it everytime i want to use xforwarding
[06:34] <Bad_Magic> =P
[06:34] <djm62> Bad_Magic: I think this is a one-time strange thing...
[06:35] <Bad_Magic> trying to get a permanent solution
[06:35] <transgress> okay everytime i view flash now... it locks up firefox
[06:35] <transgress> if i try to install extensions... locks up firefox...
[06:35] <Bad_Magic> djm62: kk
[06:35] <djm62> Bad_Magic: do you get root by doing ssh root@localhost?
[06:35] <transgress> anyone else having problems with firefox?
[06:35] <Slant_Laptop> How do I enable USplash on my breezy box?
[06:35] <djm62> Bad_Magic: it should be owned by the user
[06:35] <Bad_Magic> im not at localhost
[06:35] <Bad_Magic> im remote atm
[06:35] <Slant_Laptop> I just upgraded from Hoary.
[06:36] <tritium> Slant_Laptop, sudo dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-`uname -r`
[06:36] <Bad_Magic> that worked
[06:36] <Belutz> tritium: long time no see, how are you? :)
[06:36] <Bad_Magic> maybe its due to me having two ssh clients open
[06:36] <Slant_Laptop> tritium, Thanks.
[06:36] <tritium> Hi Belutz.  Fine, thanks.  You?
[06:36] <Bad_Magic> let me try logging out totally and restarting... brb
[06:36] <Slant_Laptop> tritium, any other suggestions for post-upgrade?
[06:36] <Belutz> tritium: i'm fine too thanks :)
[06:36] <tritium> Slant_Laptop, can't think of anything...enjoy ;)
[06:37] <DaaJeH> How do you install realplayer for ubuntu?
[06:37] <djm62> !restricted formats
[06:37] <ubotu> it has been said that restricted formats is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats or 'codecs'
[06:38] <djm62> DaaJeH: have you looked at that link from ubotu?
[06:39] <DaaJeH> djm62: yes I did,but it says to save to disk when downloading it
[06:39] <Bad_Magic> djm62: yay irl it works
[06:39] <Bad_Magic> djm62: nice to use xChat instead of irssi =P
[06:39] <Slant_Laptop> tritium, "Searching for splash image... none found, skipping..."
[06:39] <djm62> Bad_Magic: I can't think exactly what went wrong, but at least it's solved :-/
[06:39] <Slant_Laptop> tritium, where do I download/configure a splash screen?
[06:40] <tritium> Slant_Laptop, don't worry...that's grub talking
[06:40] <Slant_Laptop> Ok, thanks.
[06:40] <Slant_Laptop> I'll give it a whirl.
[06:40] <Bad_Magic> djm62: probably due to a bad command on my part at some point
[06:40] <tritium> You'll still have your usplash
[06:40] <djm62> DaaJeH: can't you save to disk?
[06:40] <Bad_Magic> djm62: do you know if gzip is enabled by default?
[06:40] <transgress> looks like i'll be using epiphany until i can figure out what's wrong with firefox :(
[06:41] <djm62> Bad_Magic: no idea...
[06:41] <Bad_Magic> djm62: kk thanks ill look into it, appreciate the help
[06:42] <DaaJeH> it only gives
[06:42] <afaik> is there a way to apt-get install the flash plugin for firefox? I try to do the installer like I normally do, but it says I need to do it manually :(
[06:42] <apokryphos> afaik: yes
[06:42] <apokryphos> afaik: enable multiverse and install flashplayer-mozilla
[06:42] <djm62> DaaJeH: what is "it"? what file are you saving to disk?
[06:42] <tritium> hello apokryphos
[06:42] <apokryphos> Hey, how's it going?
[06:43] <djm62> DaaJeH: realplayer is in multiverse (for me at least)
[06:43] <DaaJeH> What should Firfox do with this file?
[06:43] <ompaul> !tell afik about restricted
[06:43] <ompaul> izmaelis, Turn that OFF
[06:43] <djm62> DaaJeH: in which case you can install it with aptitude install realplayer
[06:43] <DaaJeH> djm62:How?
[06:43] <DaaJeH> I want the easiest way
[06:44] <apokryphos> DaaJeH: if you've enabled multiverse, enter the command djm62 gave you there
[06:44] <ompaul> afik afik the bot has told you how to install flash and a lot of other toys
[06:44] <djm62> DaaJeH: otherwise https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats#head-4c69034d5cc6530951eee44239cdf2c2a76049c1
[06:45] <djm62> DaaJeH: follow that step, then aptitude install realplayer
[06:45] <DaaJeH> I'll try.Thanks :-)
[06:45] <qEx4z2> hello
[06:45] <Gil> hey this is Gil from foresight - anybody here using the latest ubuntu unstable?
[06:46] <afaik> I found it
[06:46] <afaik> thanks
[06:46] <tritium> Gil, are you referring to breezy?
[06:46] <qEx4z2> i have a problem with firefox. every time i star firefox my machine work slowly ( i m useing breezy )
[06:46] <cheesie> how can i get a list of currently installed packages in terminal?
[06:46] <afaik> heh, anyone here play halo 2?
[06:47] <apokryphos> cheesie: dpkg -l
[06:47] <djm62> cheesie: there are literally thousands, probably
[06:47] <Gil> tritium I guess so - the version that's about to be released in a few weeks?
[06:47] <tritium> yes, Gil
[06:47] <djm62> cheesie: redirect that command into a file then grep the file
[06:47] <Gil> tritium cool - can I ask you something about a few versions it uses?
[06:48] <tritium> Gil, sure
[06:48] <Gil> tritium can you tell me what versions you guys are at for: dbus, hal, udev, pmount and g-v-m please?
[06:49] <apokryphos> Gil: packages.ubuntu.com
[06:49] <ompaul> Gil, what is foresight?
[06:49] <apokryphos> Gil: or, in here, use /msg ubotu info <package>
[06:49] <Gil> ompaul www.foresightlinux.com
[06:49] <ompaul> ahh
[06:49] <Gil> apokryphos great thanks!
[06:49] <Gil> and how is mounting working for you guys generally in breezy?
[06:50] <tritium> Gil, I'll let you try that.  If you have other questions, come back and ask
[06:50] <apokryphos> pretty great; auto-detection as usual (kde).
[06:50] <Gil> it appears latest udev is breaking things with usb sticks, but I'm wondering if that's foresight specific
[06:50] <Echelon-H> Is there a terminal text editor? my linux got smacked and I dont know why
[06:50] <Echelon-H> all my display is faulty, can't run anything, not even console, and got loads of bugs.
[06:51] <oO[NOVA] Oo> echelon-h: um i know of vi.. is that any help?
[06:51] <Gil> apokryphos any way to persuade ubotu to show me versions of breezy packages rather than hoary packages?
[06:51] <Echelon-H> quit
[06:51] <djm62> Echelon-H: emacs
[06:51] <ompaul> Gil, I have no problem with my usb sticks
[06:51] <Juhaz> someone who needs to ask that question probably doesn't find vi particularly friendly :)
[06:51] <apokryphos> Gil: oh, sorry, yeah, /msg ubotu info <package> breezy
[06:51] <vader1102> Hello folks, this Breezy stuff is awesome
[06:52] <Gil> apokryphos thanks :)
[06:52] <djm62> d'oh, I was going to say pico or nano
[06:52] <Gil> ompaul kk thx
[06:52] <ompaul> vader1102, it is nice is it not :)
[06:52] <vader1102> ompaul, it sure is ;-)
[06:53] <Gil> ahhhh as I expected, breezy is using 060 - I have a feeling that 064 is bad :-\
[06:53] <vader1102> it does get hung on starting hotplug services worse than Hoary but other than that
[06:53] <twoSharp> I'm having trouble with the screensaver.. in System -> Preferences there are 2 "Screensaver" entries. The one listed first is the "Screensaver"-entry I know from Hoary, but the bottom one, is a nice clean new one.. I liked the new one better but it misses "Properties".. But back to my problem, I can't update "gnome-screensaver" and after opened the "old" "Screensaver"-entry The computer doesn't lock the desktop after 10min anymore...
[06:53] <twoSharp> What could this and what can I do to fix it?
[06:54] <Dalkus> Hi, my two cddrives arn't being mounted (in /mount/cdrom*) how can I fix this?
[06:55] <tritium> Dalkus, are they mounted under /media?
[06:55] <Dalkus> sorry mount == media
[06:55] <Dalkus> typo
[06:56] <ompaul> Dalkus, are they in /etc/fstab ?
[06:56] <nnonix>   It seems I cannot upgrade ubuntu-desktop with apt or synaptic. Keeps telling its been kept back. Tips?
[06:56] <nybble> smart-upgrade?
[06:56] <tritium> nnonix, dist-upgrade
[06:57] <nnonix> tritium: kept back
[06:57] <Akhen> hello everyone. I was wondering whether anyone here has qtparted running on hoary?\
[06:57] <Dalkus> ompaul, yes
[06:57] <LasseL> Akhen, i have gparted running
[06:57] <ompaul> dalamar, got a data CD anywhere near?
[06:57] <nybble> hmmm...howsw the breeze today?
[06:57] <tritium> nnonix, with dist-upgrade, rather than upgrade?
[06:57] <Dalkus> ompaul, me? should do
[06:57] <ompaul> nybble, a cool 60oC
[06:57] <nnonix> tritium: yes, and its still kept-back
[06:58] <ompaul> Dalkus, pop it in the drive
[06:58] <Echelon-H> can anyone help me? all my computer has gone mad.
[06:58] <ompaul> Dalkus, pop it in one of the drives
[06:58] <Akhen> LasseL, I can't get it to work I can start it, but when selecting my device it just exits
[06:58] <nybble> sweet...
[06:58] <nybble> well, i'll guess i'll upgrade again
[06:58] <nybble> :D
[06:58] <LasseL> Akhen, sounds nasty, I had no problems with gparted
[06:58] <Dalkus> ompaul, same thing. ls on /media/cdrom* gives nothing
[06:59] <Akhen> LasseL, I reckon my partition table is messed up (my disc includes some nbtfs partitions with windowsXP) powerquests PM8.0 won't start either
[06:59] <chrissturm> how can i save only one sheet in oo.org2 calc?
[06:59] <ompaul> Dalkus, ls /media/cdrom[0-1] 
[07:00] <Akhen> LasseL, All I want to do is resize an NTFS partition, any idea on how else to do this?
[07:00] <Echelon-H> Please, anyone, my ubuntu has gone mad!
[07:00] <Dalkus> ompaul, all are empty
[07:00] <ggeller> See http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=361344&postcount=17
[07:00] <Dalkus> I have cdrom, cdrom0 and cdrom1
[07:00] <LasseL> Akhen, what does sudo fdisk -l tell you
[07:00] <Dalkus> (no idea why three..)
[07:00] <ggeller> I could use some help here.
[07:00] <ompaul> Dalkus, what version of ubuntu are you using?
[07:00] <Akhen> LasseL,  it shows me the partitions on my HD
[07:00] <Dalkus> hoary
[07:00] <matucha> I've just installed ubuntu and im having problems with internet connection. I can ping to my ISP, but thats it. Can anyone help me, please ?
[07:01] <tritium> Echelon-H, that's not a very good description of the problem...
[07:01] <ompaul> Dalkus, mount /media/cdrom and then 1 and two
[07:01] <ompaul> Dalkus, mount /media/cdrom[0-1] 
[07:01] <ggeller> matucha: Did you set you DNS servers?
[07:01] <Echelon-H> All my view is very funky, It's for sure no longer my xfce, nothing works, can't activate almost a thing.
[07:01] <Gundjah> Hi. After upgrading to Breezy with apt-get dist-upgrade, how can I get rid of the old kernel?
[07:01] <Echelon-H> i think the problem is in the xfce though i cant be sure.
[07:01] <ompaul> Dalkus, anything mount?
[07:02] <matucha> i set up my dns as my ISP in resolv.conf, but it doesnt work
[07:02] <Gundjah> Is there a way to do it with apt-get as well?
[07:02] <tritium> Gundjah, you uninstall it (only after you confirm that the new kernel boots properly)
[07:02] <ggeller> Gundjah: Not apt-get.
[07:02] <tritium> yes, you can apt-get remove
[07:02] <Dalkus> ompaul, I get an error. wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hdd
[07:02] <Echelon-H> how can i reload or log off and get onto the session?
[07:02] <Gundjah> tritium - it does. uninstall how?
[07:02] <ggeller> You delete the files and edit /boot/grup/menu.lst
[07:02] <matucha> i think that i shoul somehow set up teir gateway as my default ona, but dont know how
[07:03] <tritium> ggeller, no
[07:03] <djm62> Echelon-H: ctrl-alt-backspace
[07:03] <Gundjah> tritium, ggeller - LOL
[07:03] <tritium> Gundjah, apt-get remove <packagename>
[07:03] <tritium> there's also a --purge option
[07:03] <ompaul> Dalkus, are you running that as root?
[07:03] <Dalkus> nope
[07:03] <tritium> good stuff to know, Gundjah.  man apt-get for more info
[07:03] <ggeller> OK.  I think you're right.
[07:03] <Gundjah> tritium - have any idea what-s the packagename for Hoary default kernel?
[07:03] <tritium> ggeller, you never want to delete files that belong to packages.  Let the package management system work for you
[07:04] <Dalkus> same error as root, ompaul
[07:04] <tritium> Gundjah, dpkg -l | grep linux-
[07:04] <tritium> Gundjah, the kernel is the linux-image, and there will also be linux-restricted-modules as well
[07:05] <tritium> make sure that you do NOT remove the kernel matching the version given by `uname -r`
[07:05] <Gundjah> tritium - so grep linux should get them all?
[07:05] <tritium> I'd grep linux-
[07:05] <ompaul> Dalkus, you have me confused, because it should have shouted at you that you could only mount as root or more to the point 'only root can do that'
[07:06] <Gundjah> tritium - right. but should show the complete kernel rumba?
[07:06] <tritium> Gundjah, it should be something like 2.6.10-5, I believe.  You can also remove the restricted modules of the same version
[07:06] <Dalkus> ompaul, hmm - perhaps because I've set the 'user' option in fstab for them? (I'm not sure..)
[07:06] <ompaul> Dalkus, how many cdroms have you actually got?
[07:06] <Dalkus> I have two cddrives
[07:06] <tritium> yes, Gundjah
[07:06] <Dalkus> three cdrom folders in media
[07:06] <Gundjah> tritium - that's it. The default kernel is 2.6.10-5-386.
[07:07] <ompaul> Dalkus, paste your /etc/fstab in paste.ubuntulinux.nl
[07:07] <tritium> Gundjah, okay.  You can remove that -image and -restricted-modules, since you've confirmed that the new 2.6.12-8 works
[07:07] <pc22> how do i check my memo on irc?
[07:07] <ggeller> How do I tell apt-get I don't want to upgrade a particular package?
[07:07] <ompaul> Dalkus, which one of the cd's has the data disk in it?
[07:07] <tritium> ggeller, you can use pinning
[07:08] <Dalkus> ompaul, cdrom1
[07:08] <ompaul> pc22, /memoserv help I would imagine
[07:08] <tritium> Gundjah, good luck.  I'll be away now...
[07:08] <ompaul> pc22, might help - oops hit enter too early
[07:08] <pc22> thanls
[07:08] <ggeller> tritium: Thanks.  I remember it talked about pinning in the Debian book I bought.  I'll go read it now.
[07:08] <Gundjah> tritium - Naturally :-) Tnx. At this moment I only have the base system ("server" install), upgrade just ready. let's see what that dpkg command brings out
[07:09] <matucha> any ideas whats wrong if i can't ping at anything else that my ISP ?
[07:09] <cheesie> where can i get ubuntu linux themes from?
[07:09] <Dalkus> ompaul, paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2378
[07:09] <apokryphos> cheesie: /msg ubotu themes
[07:09] <ggeller> matucha: What is in /etc/resolv.conf?
[07:09] <cheesie> !themes
[07:09] <ubotu> well, themes is at http://art.ubuntu.com -  http://art.gnome.org - http://www.gnome-look.org - http://kdelook.org - http://themes.freshmeat.net/browse/58/ - http://themes.freshmeat.net/browse/57/ - http://www.guistyles.com
[07:09] <transgress> okay running an strace on firefox i've gotten the following two lines
[07:09] <transgress> gettimeofday({1127236147, 993080}, NULL) = 0
[07:09] <transgress> select(0, NULL, NULL, NULL, {0, 11000}) = 0 (Timeout)
[07:09] <transgress> ^  it hangs doing those repeatedly
[07:09] <apokryphos> cheesie: better to /msg when it's for yourself :)
[07:09] <matucha> nameserver = isp's ip
[07:09] <cheesie> apokryphos- which one should i go too?
[07:09] <apokryphos> transgress: not a good idea to paste in here at all :)
[07:10] <transgress> anyone have a suggestion as to go about fixing this?
[07:10] <transgress> apokryphos: it was two lines.
[07:10] <apokryphos> cheesie: I don't really know about gnome, sorry. I imagine gnome-look is popular
[07:10] <apokryphos> transgress: I know; check the topic.
[07:10] <ggeller> matucha: what does "dig google.com" tell you?
[07:11] <transgress> apokryphos: it's two lines.  i'm not using a god damn paste page for two lines... the bot just spit out 4 lines.
[07:11] <Flying-Penguin> anyone here know abought mouses?
[07:11] <ggeller> Either the nameserver isn't working.  Or your ISP is not acting as a gateway.
[07:11] <matucha> dont know what does dig do
[07:11] <ggeller> dig translates a url into an IP address.
[07:12] <matucha> im now connected alright from winxp
[07:12] <apokryphos> transgress: I don't mind that much; I'm saying you might well have been /removed if others were here/active
[07:12] <matucha> but i can't even ping using an IP
[07:12] <transgress> it's yet to happen.
[07:12] <ompaul> Dalkus, try >>sudo mount /media/cdrom1<<
[07:12] <ggeller> It will tell you if the name server is working.
[07:12] <ompaul> Dalkus,  if that does not work try removing the ro, in fstab
[07:12] <Gundjah> Next... how can I get a bit more useful text mode than the standard whatsit, 80*25 with Grub?
[07:12] <matucha> ok, i'll try that, thanx
[07:12] <Dalkus> okay thanks ompaul
[07:13] <ompaul> Dalkus,  so that is ro, <<<<<<< the comma
[07:13] <transgress> okay this bickering isn't helping me.  has anyone else had a problem with firefox hanging?
[07:13] <ggeller> I wonder if you need to have something like "route add default gw ..."?
[07:13] <apokryphos> transgress: it's a common problem. What version are you using?
[07:13] <transgress> running firefox 1.5b1 ... it works fine... of course there is no install.
[07:14] <transgress> i'm using 1.06
[07:14] <apokryphos> transgress: the one in backports/updates is known to be more problematic
[07:14] <matucha> i did route add default gw isp' ip, but its the same
[07:14] <transgress> not from backports... from breezy
[07:14] <moogman> Hello. I was wondering if it is possible to add the contents of a directory to a drawer panel applet, or something similar?
[07:14] <apokryphos> transgress: ohh, ok. It's working fine here (and has been), though I don't use it much.
[07:14] <matucha> maybe my isp is not default gateway, but what to do then ?
[07:15] <matucha> is there way how to get their default gateway ?
[07:15] <transgress> call and ask matucha
[07:16] <matucha> :) will do
[07:16] <transgress> apokryphos: well mine is hanging after i visit a flash page... or try to install extensions.  strace is showing it's hanging at those two lines i pasted... trying to get the time repeatedly...
[07:16] <apokryphos> transgress: link?
[07:16] <apokryphos> (to the flashpage)
[07:17] <spiral> hi
[07:17] <transgress> apokryphos: any flash page... although i've noticed aeonflux.com and a couple others don't render properly
[07:17] <transgress> but they act cool in 1.5b1
[07:18] <ggeller> I think the default gatway is set automatically if you use DHCP, but you have to set it manually if you have a static IP.
[07:18] <apokryphos> transgress: aha, problems indeed. Check if that's been reported, if not, file a bug report
[07:19] <apokryphos> pretty sweet flash page in full, though, I must say.
[07:19] <spiral> where should I report a dependancy problem in breezy between xscreensaver & gnome-screensaver ?
[07:20] <apokryphos> spiral: I don't think it's a problem; I think it's intentional that there be only one screensaver app installed
[07:20] <apokryphos> happens with kde screensavers too; they conflict intentionally, so they're not both installed at the same time.
[07:21] <spiral> apokryphos: but when I have kde & gnome on the same system..., it wants to uninstall ubuntu-desktop or kubuntu-desktop, & both should be able to cohabit, isn't it ?
[07:21] <apokryphos> spiral: not necessarily, no.
[07:21] <Riddell> spiral: do you know why?
[07:21] <spiral> apokryphos: they did until yesterday...
[07:21] <transgress> apokryphos: k.  i will do that.
[07:22] <apokryphos> Riddell: screensavers
[07:22] <spiral> Riddell: when I dist-upgrade, he wants to update gnome-screensaver, & it breaks xscreensaver, kscreensaver & then kde...
[07:22] <Riddell> they seem to both install here fine
[07:22] <Riddell> (from a fresh daily CD install)
[07:22] <transgress> apokryphos: using 1.5b1 it renders well... but i take it ... you see a big grey box for part of it too eh?
[07:22] <apokryphos> yes
[07:22] <spiral> Riddell: have you got kde or just kubuntu-desktop ?
[07:22] <leopard> Does mirrormax have a breezy-extras universe and multiverse?
[07:22] <Riddell> spiral: just kubuntu-desktop
[07:23] <apokryphos> Riddell: installing gnome-screensavers tries to remove kdescreensavers
[07:23] <spiral> Riddell: 'get the problem with full kde, not kubuntu-desktop, sorry
[07:23] <apokryphos> whoop, no trailing s on both
[07:24] <apokryphos> Yes, that's it
[07:24] <apokryphos> ubuntu-desktop depends on gnome-screensaver, which conflicts with kdescreensaver (which kubuntu-desktop brings in)
[07:25] <Riddell> kscreensaver-xsavers
[07:25] <apokryphos> transgress: it works perfectly in Konqueror of course 8)
[07:25] <spiral> Riddell: yeah, it's it
[07:25] <enyc> erm
[07:25] <enyc> can ubuntu effecticely be switched <> kubuntu  or not ?
[07:26] <apokryphos> enyc: of course, yes.
[07:26] <Goshawk> hi
[07:26] <transgress> apokryphos: yeah i noticed that... but konq acts as a PITA sometimes.
[07:26] <spiral> enyc: normally you just have to install ubuntu-desktop or kubuntu-desktop
[07:26] <Riddell> ogra: why does gnome-screensavers conflict with xscreensavers?
[07:26] <Goshawk> upgrading from hoary to breezy rhythmbox do no recognise pls files
[07:26] <enyc> spir: aaaaaaah thats really useful to know.. do you hvaeto change respoistories tec. all the same?
[07:26] <Goshawk> can someone conferm it?
[07:26] <psusi> from my research, it seems that to get ubunto to access my SATA RAID volume, I need to use mdraid to configure the kernel mapper to access the volume, then install.  How can I modify the initrd during installation so that mdraid gets run during boot up so the kernel can mount the root filesystem on the raid volume?
[07:26] <spiral> enyc: not at all, same repo
[07:27] <ogra> Riddell, because they clash
[07:27] <transgress> that's odd about the screensavers... i'm running kubuntu and ubuntu desktop ... both packages are installed and not conflicting
[07:27] <spiral> transgress: if you install kde package, it will conflict :-P
[07:27] <enyc> spir: aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah thats handy ;p
[07:27] <ogra> Riddell, you cant run both daemons
[07:27] <enyc> spir: just the kubuntu cd has different stuff to the ubuntu cd  on the cd an dinstalle kubuntu-desktop instead o ubuntu-desktiop
[07:27] <transgress> spiral: ah i see
[07:27] <enyc> spir: I get it now ;p
[07:29] <FR500> hello
[07:29] <apokryphos> hi
[07:29] <spiral> ogra: yeah, I don't wanna run both, just one when I use kde, and the other when I use gnome...
[07:29] <FR500> i forced depends installing a package, it works well but synaptic marks it as broken, anyway to override it
[07:29] <FR500> ?
[07:30] <ogra> spiral, i have no clue about kde's screensaver...
[07:31] <spiral> it worked nicely until yesterday, so I suppose this might be possible
[07:32] <transgress> okay and when i try installing an extension for firefox i get this:
[07:32] <transgress>  read(4, 0xbfb1f3df, 1)                  = -1 EAGAIN (Resource temporarily unavailable)
[07:33] <transgress> it hangs doing that... so gettime and read are hanging... should i report these as bugs or am i the only this is happening to?
[07:33] <psusi> from my research, it seems that to get ubunto to access my SATA RAID volume, I need to use mdraid to configure the kernel mapper to access the volume, then install.  How can I modify the initrd during installation so that mdraid gets run during boot up so the kernel can mount the root filesystem on the raid volume?
[07:34] <Riddell> spiral: I could remove kscreensaver-xsavers from the kdeartwork depends to fix the issue
[07:34] <ogra> spiral, i wouldnt have added a conflicts to the package if it would work nicely...
[07:34] <Goshawk> who here is using rythmbox on breezy?
[07:34] <Goshawk> s/rythmbox/rhythmbox
[07:34] <enyc> psus: im not sure ;p
[07:34] <ogra> Riddell, what is in kscreensaver-xsavers ?
[07:34] <enyc> psus: erm.. this is a hardware controller that handles all the raid functions [?] 
[07:35] <apokryphos> Riddell: I think it would be nice to have them both installed at once
[07:35] <enyc> psus: or using the  linux 'md' driver ?
[07:35] <spiral> ogra: kscreensaver-xsavers            - KDE hooks for standard xscreensavers
[07:35] <ogra> Riddell, so thats the daemon ? or are that the hacks ?
[07:35] <ogra> Riddell, note that all hacks moved to xscreensaver-data
[07:36] <psusi> enyc: no, not md... it's a hardware fakeraid setup
[07:36] <spiral> ogra: I don't think it's the daemon
[07:36] <psusi> i.e. the bios writes tables to the disk and handles int 13 to access the raid volume
[07:36] <enyc> psus: aah, like, where there is a BIOS on the hardware that
[07:36] <psusi> so you can boot from it
[07:36] <enyc> psus: aah ok
[07:36] <ogra> spiral, then there shouldnt be any problem
[07:36] <psusi> it seems that for linux to access the raid volume, you have to use dmraid to parse the bios table and configure the kernel mapper device to access the raid volume
[07:36] <spiral> ogra: yeah, tell this to apt then ? :-P
[07:36] <ogra> the hacks are independent from the daemon
[07:36] <enyc> psus: sound complicated
[07:37] <psusi> only ubunto doesn't really support that... so I think I have to manually run dmraid then install to the raid volume
[07:37] <enyc> psus: Ill just stick to using my DAC960 cards or Linux-MD for RAID ;-)
[07:37] <enyc> psus: sure...
[07:37] <psusi> but then when the kernel goes to boot up, the initrd needs to run dmraid to access the raid
[07:37] <pc22> how can my network print my ubuntu machines?
[07:37] <psusi> and I'm not sure how to modify the initrd during ubuntu setup
[07:37] <enyc> psus: have you considered installing on a seaprate disk and settuing up the raid for /home and linking /var/spool onto that?
[07:37] <ogra> spiral, gnome-screensaver doesnt conflict with anything in kde... only with the old xscreensaver package we'll throw away once we do the final switch to gnome-screensaver
[07:37] <enyc> pc22: you mean print TO ubuntu machines?
[07:38] <psusi> don't have a seperate disk
[07:38] <enyc> psus: im sorry, I fully understand what you are saying but I dont have the answer ;p
[07:38] <pc22> yeah
[07:38] <psusi> heh...
[07:38] <enyc> pc22: first, get printing working to a local printer on the ubuntu machine (easy easy)
[07:38] <spiral> so this should be fixed when kscreensaver packages will depend of gnome-screensaver ??? gahhh ?
[07:39] <spiral> 've gotta go... cya
[07:39] <ogra> spiral, why shoud it depend on gnoem stuff ?
[07:39] <pc22> enyc, its done. i have other ubuntu and windows machine too
[07:39] <ogra> *gnome
[07:39] <enyc> pc22: then, modify /etc/cups/cupsd.conf
[07:39] <spiral> ogra: because it now depends on xscreensaver...
[07:39] <ogra> why that ?
[07:39] <pc22> how do i do it?
[07:39] <enyc> pc22: change 'Listen 127.0.0.1:631' in that file, to say 'Listen 0.0.0.0:631'
[07:39] <pc22> im a beginner
[07:39] <FR500> i forced depends installing a package, it works well but synaptic marks it as broken, anyway to override it
[07:39] <FR500> ?
[07:39] <enyc> pc22:  'sudo nano /etc/cups/cupsd.conf'
[07:39] <spiral> ogra: don't know, & I've got to go... I'll come back soon
[07:39] <enyc> pc22: ill write to you in private msg ;p hangon
[07:39] <glyph> If I were foolish enough to try breezy, where would I go to discuss problems with it?
[07:40] <aleitner> when I plug a usb joystick into a hoary system, is it supposed to just work (because here nothing happens) or do i have to do something manually?
[07:40] <Bad_Magic> complete newb question but is there a way to break away from a process run in a terminal w/o suspending it?
[07:40] <glyph> Suspend-to-disk appears to be broken, and it wasn't yesterday.
[07:41] <[LethAL] > glyph, YOu'd come back here ;)
[07:41] <glyph> [LethAL] : OK.  So, I'm here :)
[07:41] <[LethAL] > :D
[07:41] <aleitner> Bad_Magic: CTRL-Z and then enter the command 'bg'
[07:41] <Bad_Magic> nice
[07:41] <glyph> [LethAL] : I'm running breezy on a laptop, and suspend-to-disk is broken.
[07:41] <aleitner> Bad_Magic: or run it with the command 'nohup'
[07:42] <Bad_Magic> ie xchat nohup?
[07:42] <[LethAL] > glyph, I know nothing about power-related stuffs, sorry
[07:42] <nightswim> nohup xchat
[07:42] <Bad_Magic> gotcha
[07:42] <glyph> it was working like a charm yesterday.  Today, kern.log complains that swsusp "can't find swap file, try swapon -a", despite the fact that swapon -s clearly shows the swap partition is being used, and is listed as resume= on my grub boot line
[07:42] <Bad_Magic> also, do you need to restart the sshd when you edit sshd_config or will a simple reconnect do?
[07:43] <_maney> qt2: why does it take forever (minute or more) for a USB stick to be accessible?  What's it doing, virus-scanning every byte of the device?  :-)
[07:43] <_maney> err, I'm sure I typed "Q:" there...
[07:44] <glyph> Through some kind of insane miracle though, suspend-to-*ram* works
[07:44] <qt2> _maney: its auto-nick-complete. lol.
[07:45] <_maney> qt2: hmmm, thought that only bit if I hit tab...
[07:45] <_maney> qt2: did it do it again?
[07:45] <qt2> _maney: its an option somewhere i believe.
[07:45] <_maney> oh.... server-side?  didn't show in the typer.  okay...
[07:46] <[LethAL] > _maney, no, it's in the client
[07:47] <Bad_Magic> is there anyway to reduce the lag on X11 forwarding? (compression specifically)
[07:48] <darkheart> Bad_Magic Maybe try FreeNX?
[07:48] <eSPete> when i try to bunr a cd with gnomebaker, i get an error saying somthing about access to fstab and something about mounting, how do i fix this?
[07:48] <Bad_Magic> i think theres a compression option in sshd
[07:48] <_maney> so anyway, does anyone else notice it taking a really long time before you get more than an empty file-browser-ish window after plugging a USB memory stick in?  It's not stick-specific, but it might be worse on this machine than others.  it doesn't appear to be a delay in the recognition or mounting per se - shows up in mount long before the content is listed in the browser
[07:49] <darkheart> Bad_Magic If you haven't tried, freenx, I would suggest it.
[07:49] <Bad_Magic> ill look at it, thanks
[07:50] <_maney> LethAL: thought i had that configured to use tab.  (I will *not* think about writing yet another IRC client.  Not.  Not, not not.)
[07:51] <[LethAL] > _maney, It's either
[07:53] <_maney> [L: hah, is that the switch?
[07:53] <_maney> yes!
[07:53] <tommi^> Hi. Sound configuration problems: I can hear everything just fine: multiple apps can play at the same etc. but I can't record. For example audacity says: "There was an error initializing the audio i/o layer." vumeter -r doesn't show anything.
[07:53] <Flying-Penguin> can anyone help me get my Intellimouse Explorer 2.0 to work?
[07:53] <[LethAL] > Woah... phreaky... Wireless Link keeps going down from 100% to ~60%
[07:53] <butcherbird> Flying-Penguin, well..I cant
[07:55] <enntee> Hello. I'm thinking about getting a laptop, and it MUST run Ubuntu (and do wi-fi)... Anyone have any experience or links for which laptops work well and which don't?
[07:56] <enyc> flyi: you dont need to do anythign to make it work rally, you just connect it and boot ;-)
[07:57] <pkern> Were there big changes in d-i from warty to breezy or could one install breezy with the warty disk?
[07:57] <butcherbird> Flying-Penguin, some of the buttons not working or can you not use the mouse at all?
[07:58] <[FiDO] > I'm having some problems with ubuntu hanging overnight
[07:58] <[FiDO] > I have to come in the next day at work and restart it
[07:58] <[FiDO] > its running on an IBM eServer
[07:58] <_n00blar_> after the latest update, Is xscreensaver locking up your machine?
[07:59] <[FiDO] > umm I think I have screensaver turned off
[07:59] <_n00blar_> [FiDO] , I think I will do same or just set it to blank...after the latest update it locks up your machine badly.
[08:00] <_n00blar_> I can't pinpoint which screensaver does it; since I had it set to random, but it appears that its more than one that locks up Ubuntu
[08:00] <[FiDO] > ok
[08:00] <[FiDO] > I'll check on that
[08:00] <lucaas> should dist-upgrade say anything when its done, or just stop after the last package?
[08:01] <_n00blar_> And nothing in the logs since I have to press On/Off button to get back on
[08:01] <lucaas> bc, i got: Setting up gnome-system-tools (1.4.0-0ubuntu4) ...
[08:01] <lucaas> lucas@ubuntu:~$
[08:01] <lucaas> (end)
[08:01] <elad`> I really need to get out of X.
[08:01] <jmain> How do you get GDM to launch programs at startup?
[08:01] <elad`> Well, not really. But I really want to.
[08:03] <elad`> So, how do I get out of X. Get me something to type at a shell.
[08:03] <elad`> Is terminating X's PID unclean?
[08:03] <darkheart> elad` Try 'sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop'
[08:03] <Bicchi> I am new to gnome but not to kde. Is there another option to nautilus when it comes to file browsing?
[08:04] <elad`> Why does sudo require a passowrd different than su's?
[08:04] <jmain> I have installed Fluxbox and would like to startup some Slit apps on startup.  They say to use a .xsession but GDM seems to ignore it
[08:04] <Amaranth> !sudo
[08:04] <ubotu> methinks sudo is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[08:04] <Dr_Willis> jmain:  you need to check the fluxbox docs.. supposubly - it can save a session then restart it.
[08:05] <Dr_Willis> jmain:  if you make a .xsession i THINK the gdm xsession login entry may start it.
[08:05] <jmain> That doesn't appear to work
[08:05] <elad`> What? Isn't that effectively making all users (or the first one - whatever) root?
[08:06] <Amaranth> elad`: ctrl-alt-f1 will get you to a console, ctrl-f7 will get you back to X from that console
[08:06] <lucaas> ok, im going to restart and hope it works
[08:06] <jmain> Unless there is something I need to add to the gdm xsession file.
[08:06] <elad`> Amaranth, no, this isn't working.
[08:06] <elad`> I'll try the sudo gdm stop as soon as I get an answer to my other questions.
[08:06] <Bicchi> How can i right click on a file an open it as root?
[08:07] <Amaranth> elad`: err, the only times that hasn't worked for me was when the keyboard config was broken in breezy and when a bad driver made switching to a console corrupt the display
[08:07] <Amaranth> elad`: what other questions?
[08:07] <elad`> Amaranth, how did you fix it the first time?
[08:07] <butcherbird> Bicchi, not what you had in mind im sure but midnight commander isnt a bad file manager
[08:07] <Amaranth> elad`: i don't remember, this was back when breezy was very much broken
[08:07] <elad`> The other question was the sense of making the normal user a root.
[08:07] <Dr_Willis> jmain:  no clue there. i normally manually make a entry in GDM just to start fluxbox and any other variant window managers i use
[08:07] <Amaranth> elad`: you aren't root unless you use sudo
[08:08] <elad`> But I use the same password, so I'm effectively root.
[08:08] <Amaranth> elad`: it makes it easy to use but still secure, http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo explains
[08:08] <elad`> Well, let's try the gdm stop. How do I get back after that, btw?
[08:09] <winkle> what's the way to go to get the nvidia driver working in breezy?
[08:09] <xkpe_> hi
[08:09] <Amaranth> sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop will stop gdm and X, sudo /etc/init.d/gdm start will start it
[08:09] <jmain> Dr_Willis: I have no issue getting GDM to launch fluxbox.  I would like it to start fluxbox then several other apps during startup
[08:09] <darkheart> elad` You misunderstand sudo. It's a tool to allow user some root privileges. If the password was the same as root, then it defeats the purpose.
[08:09] <elad`> elad@ubuntu:~/Desktop$ sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop sudo: /etc/init.d/gdm: command not found
[08:09] <Amaranth> hrm
[08:09] <Dr_Willis> jmain:  fluxbox is SUPPOSED to some how save what you got started. i saw it mentioned in the fluxbox docs just last night
[08:09] <darkheart> elad` To get back, 'sudo /etc/init.d/gdm start'
[08:09] <xkpe_> has anyone tryed to play nibbles over a network ?
[08:09] <Amaranth> this would be easier if i wasn't on a windows machine right now :)
[08:10] <pkern> Is there any breezy netinst image?
[08:10] <Uruclef> hi all!
[08:10] <Dr_Willis> jmain:  so you some how start the stuff.. then  supposiuly fluxbox writes some config file in .fluxbox i think that saves/rembers it all.
[08:10] <xkpe_> the option to create a server is disabled on my computer :/
[08:10] <elad`> elad@ubuntu:~/Desktop$ /etc/init.d/kdm stop
[08:10] <elad`>  * Stopping K Display Manager...
[08:10] <elad`>  not running/etc/init.d/kdm: line 106: kill: (5907) - Operation not permitted
[08:10] <elad`> elad@ubuntu:~/Desktop$
[08:10] <elad`> crap
[08:10] <elad`> I was going to cut the <enter>s
[08:10] <Dr_Willis> elad`:  not that would of really told us much either. :P
[08:11] <Uruclef> guys, I need a hand if you can :)
[08:11] <freddy_s> Hi, I have an Intel manufactured integrated WLAN card, I'm having problems to connect to wireless networks... can anyone help me?
[08:11] <darkheart> elad` What WM do you use?
[08:11] <freddy_s> I'm on a laptop by the way if it's any use
[08:12] <seth_k> elad`, you just forgot the sudo on that kdm stop command
[08:12] <darkheart> elad` Do you use a display manager?
[08:12] <Dr_Willis> freddy_s:  time to do some googling :P see if other disrtos/people with same laptop have gotten it working.
[08:12] <Uruclef> I neend a hand with gdesklets
[08:12] <Uruclef> I googled but found nothing useful :/
[08:12] <Amaranth> Seveas: ...
[08:13] <xkpe_> has anyone seen my question?
[08:13] <freddy_s> Well that's why I came here... I have tried to google it but nothing works
[08:13] <Amaranth> Seveas: it's generally a good idea to give them a warning first
[08:13] <Seveas> it was the 2nd time...
[08:13] <Seveas> plus mute evading...
[08:13] <jadedstar> Amaranth: he was pasting earlier
[08:14] <jadedstar> Amaranth: then evaded ban
[08:14] <Dr_Willis> freddy_s:  nothing works as in "their suggestions" dont work.. or some parts of it dont work... or....... cant find any info at all?
[08:14] <Amaranth> ah
[08:14] <jadedstar> Seveas: got your back, guess it pays to sit here for a few hours lol :-)
[08:15] <Uruclef> Guys, can you help me with gDesklets plz? When I run one, I get a blank window
[08:16] <pkern> Any netinst image available for Breezy Preview?
[08:16] <_n00blar_> Woah, I just my ATI drivers to properly work on Ubuntu..at least that's what fglrxinfo says. Anyone knows of a game that I can download to test OpenGL drivers?
[08:16] <Dr_Willis> tuxracer
[08:16] <Bicchi> How can i right click on a file an open it as root? for example i have a link to synaptic but its telling me to open it as root instead.
[08:17] <pkern> _n00blar_: glxgears
[08:17] <bpf> when I run glxgears in breezy, I don't get any text output of the fps, just a window with the gears in it
[08:17] <seth_k> Seveas, regarding that e-mail from you re: previously approved members, any idea on a timeframe for poking those through?
[08:17] <ompaul> Bicchi, sudo <command>
[08:17] <pkern> elad`: You shouldn't evade bans.
[08:17] <Dr_Willis> Bicchi:  not very easially that i can think of
[08:17] <seth_k> bpf, known bug
[08:17] <freddy_s> i couldn't find anyone with the same problem as me, but now now i think i found something
[08:17] <creart> when installing with a script, do i then get a confirmation notice or something, when succesfull?!
[08:17] <bpf> thx
[08:17] <_n00blar_> pkern, yeah that comes up nicely, but just wanted to test it with a game that can 'push' the drivers
[08:17] <ompaul> !tell Bicchi about root
[08:17] <FlyingSquirrel32> I just installed glade but when I try to build the source code for my ui it complains that I don't have glade-- where can I get this?
[08:17] <Seveas> seth_k, I'm waiting for the replies and give mako the list at the next CC meeting
[08:18] <pkern> _n00blar_: Then tuxracer probably yes ;)
[08:18] <Seveas> so exactly one week from now it'll be taken care of i suppose
[08:18] <seth_k> Seveas, thanks
[08:18] <Amaranth> FlyingSquirrel32: you have the -dev package?
[08:18] <FlyingSquirrel32> yup installed from synaptic.
[08:18] <_n00blar_> pkern, cool, then I'll install it, ty
[08:18] <pkern> Ok, then I'll just use warty to install breezy ):
[08:18] <winkle> nvidia driver seem broken in breezy, worked fine in hoary
[08:18] <pkern> winkle: Bug in linux-restricted-modules
[08:18] <FlyingSquirrel32> Right now I have glade-gnome and glade-gnome-2
[08:19] <pkern> winkle: Edit lrm-manager and replace ld with ld_static
[08:19] <winkle> pkern: thanks
[08:19] <FlyingSquirrel32> before I had glade and glade-2 pkg's and had the same issue
[08:19] <pkern> winkle: I really hope that they fix it in the final release. Took quite some time to track it down.
[08:19] <freddy_s> Ahh Tuxracer :) that reminds me, the sound doesn't work for me while playing tuxracer: "Warning: Couldn't set 22050 Hz 16-bit audio
[08:19] <freddy_s>   Reason: No available audio device"
[08:19] <TMM> hey all
[08:20] <erich> How do I re-enable ctrl+alt+f1 etc. in Ubuntu breezy?
[08:20] <Amaranth> FlyingSquirrel32: libglade2-dev
[08:20] <TMM> can someone tell me what version of X is in ubuntu breezy now? I got the feeling that it was a 7.0 prerelease, but the server reports itself as 6.8.2
[08:20] <Amaranth> erich: you have keyboard-config installed?
[08:20] <TMM> because of the new way of packaging it that is
[08:20] <FlyingSquirrel32> Amaranth: thanks, but that's there too.
[08:20] <Seveas> TMM, ii  xserver-xorg   6.8.2-67       the X.Org X server (dummy package)
[08:21] <TMM> Seveas, yeah, I got that... I was just wondering if it was a cvs prerelease or something, because of the new way of packaging it
[08:21] <jadedstar> lol, comical response from ubotu... NO SPEAKE ENLISH!, jadedstar
[08:21] <Amaranth> TMM: The server is 6.8.2 with the modular bits (i think daniels was using us as a guinea pig for the 7.0.0 xserver) and the rest is a bit of 6.8.2 and a bit of 7.0.0, afaik
[08:21] <jadedstar> i think it needs a course on spelling :-)
[08:21] <TMM> Amaranth, ahh, so no EXA yet?
[08:21] <Amaranth> FlyingSquirrel32: i'm out of ideas
[08:22] <Amaranth> TMM: nope, not that exa is very useful right now
[08:22] <Uruclef> guys
[08:22] <Uruclef> can you give a hand me too please?
[08:22] <TMM> Amaranth, too bad, I wanted to test it :)
[08:22] <Uruclef> I need a little help with gdesklets
[08:22] <FlyingSquirrel32> Amaranth: Me too. I guess I'll just install it old school ;)
[08:23] <erich> Amaranth: xkeyboard-config? yes.
[08:23] <Amaranth> erich: that's the only voodoo trick i can remember from back when i was having problems, sorry
[08:24] <mdz> pkern: yes, there is
[08:24] <Uruclef> My problem is that when I start a gdesklet, al I get is an empty window
[08:24] <Uruclef> I tried to look around but found nothing :/
[08:24] <erich> Amaranth: but reinstalling it gave me a trail... apparently we have the old "replacing directories by files" problem...
[08:24] <Uruclef> any ideas?
[08:24] <Amaranth> erich: ook, that one
[08:25] <Kamion> pkern: but any netinst-a-like image will have to download most of that 700MB anyway
[08:25] <pkern> mdz: Where could I get it? I thought of something which loads most of the debs from the net.
[08:25] <Kamion> pkern: so you don't particularly gain much
[08:25] <Amaranth> erich: appearently a lot of magic went into making that package work from a hoary upgrade and work with a clean install of breezy, maybe it broke
[08:26] <erich> Not sure if the box was a hoary before I upgraded...
[08:26] <pkern> Kamion: Well, it's a prerelease so I probably wouldn't use it later one. It would save me time because I could burn it now and run the fetch tonight.
[08:26] <Kamion> pkern: still, http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/breezy/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot/; burn mini.iso from there if you want to boot from CD
[08:26] <Uruclef> -_- ok, thank you anyway
[08:26] <Uruclef> bye, have a nice talk
[08:26] <pkern> Kamion: Does it load the installer from the internet then or only from local TFTP?
[08:26] <erich> Amaranth: anyway, rm -r /etc/X11/xkb/symbols/pc and then reinstalling that package or so helped.
[08:26] <Kamion> pkern: mini.iso has the kernel and enough of the installer to get started; it gets the rest from the Ubuntu archive
[08:27] <pkern> Kamion: Thanks, that's exactly what I need
[08:27] <Kamion> pkern: the other images in that directory are if you want to do TFTP stuff
[08:27] <drelle_work> i currently use suse 9.3... what advantage would there be to changing to ubuntu?
[08:27] <Amaranth> erich: ctrl-alt-f1 and friends work again?
[08:27] <pkern> Kamion: Ok, thanks.
[08:27] <Kamion> np
[08:27] <erich> Amaranth: yes.
[08:28] <Amaranth> erich: cool, you should be good until the next xkeyboard-config upgrade then ;)
[08:28] <H0lyD4wg> what grabs my microsoft internet keys and how do i tell it not to do so?
[08:30] <TMM> hey
[08:30] <Seveas> H0lyD4wg, system -> prefs -> keyboard shortcuts
[08:30] <erich> Amaranth: ;-) or did upgrades file->dir work? ;-)
[08:30] <TMM> am I do the only one seeing breakage with xcompmgr and breezy?
[08:30] <pkern> TMM: xcompmgr is broken on many systems anyway
[08:30] <pkern> TMM: It's highly unstable |:
[08:30] <TMM> yeah...
[08:31] <TMM> didn't metacity sport its own composite manager?
[08:31] <H0lyD4wg> Seveas: shortcuts defined there will work anywhere as long as i run gnome-settings-daemon, right?
[08:31] <Amaranth> erich: i don't quite remember. i know for awhile upgrading was broken, then fixing that broke new installs, and i think it went back in forth a couple times
[08:31] <butcherbird> drelle_work, no experience with suse not sure about their community etc but I've never used a distro I liked quite as much as Ubuntu
[08:31] <H0lyD4wg> TMM: xfwm has one
[08:32] <drelle_work> just wondering... thanx for the comment :)
[08:32] <TMM> I thought metacity had one too
[08:32] <TMM> brb
[08:34] <Seveas> H0lyD4wg, guess so...
[08:35] <erich> So I only need to fiddle things right that kerberos users can still login and have their dirs automounted while local users can login at the same time, too... right now it's an either both can login or the dirs are automounted... :-(
[08:36] <H0lyD4wg> Seveas: does it change the xmodmap? Xev reports the just-unbound keys as NoSymbol even though their names were correctly reported when i was using hoary
[08:37] <fivetwentysix> Anyone here use Quanta for web development?
[08:38] <psusi> let's say I have a driver that the kernel needs to access my hard disk... how can I go about installing ubuntu so that it loads that driver at boot time and thus, can mount my hard drive as the root filesystem?
[08:38] <bartp> hi
[08:38] <TMM> well... no composite goodness in ubuntu apparently
[08:40] <[A] ndy80> Seveas: one tip: the timeout of #ubuntu channell is too low. Sometimes we're kicked before our nick can be authenticated
[08:40] <jadedstar> [A] ndy80, Seveas: Yeah, i've had that happen once/twice too.
[08:42] <LasseL> jadedstar, [A] ndy80, set your nick password as the server password
[08:42] <jadedstar> LasseL: I have, still times me out every once in a while tho :-(
[08:42] <Kamion> authenticate before joining the channel?
[08:43] <jadedstar> Kamion: could do that...but I'm lazy :-)
[08:43] <LasseL> I autojoin via x-chat
[08:43] <jadedstar> ditto
[08:43] <Chastaghir> Hi @ll, my GDM does not start automatically anymore. sudo gdm starts it without problems. What can I do to change this?
[08:43] <LasseL> but after I set my password in both the nickserv and server password field it didn't happen to me
[08:43] <MatC> hi folks.... I've just changed video card and am looking at a text screen now (x won't start).  I've tried xconfig, XF86Setup, etc. searched the ubuntu page, read the x man page, but nothing works (can't get the configurator thing started), any ideas ?
[08:44] <jadedstar> It may be because I'm running on a virtual machine sometimes, normally when it happen =/
[08:44] <tritium> Chastaghir, what caused it to stop?
[08:44] <spiral> hello, I'm back
[08:44] <spiral> Riddell & ogra... So, how should it be fixed ?
[08:44] <ompaul> LasseL, the same password may not be in both boxes :)
[08:44] <Chastaghir> yesterday something hit my root file system, so that I have to repair it with fsck
[08:45] <LasseL> ompaul, well, that is what i have
[08:45] <heatxsink_> if I wanted to make a kernel with the one I'm running now
[08:45] <heatxsink_> I apt the kernel source
[08:45] <ompaul> MatC,  sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[08:45] <heatxsink_> cp the proper config file
[08:45] <Chastaghir> a sudo dpkg-reconfigure gdm brings
[08:45] <heatxsink_> to /usr/src/linux
[08:45] <ompaul> LasseL, okay I suggest you try again
[08:45] <MatC> ompaul: I tried that I think, will try again, brb :)
[08:45] <heatxsink_> then make oldconfig?
[08:45] <Chastaghir> invoke-rc.d: dangling symlink: /etc/rc2.d/S13gdm
[08:46] <TMM> meh, I want dropshadows
[08:46] <darkheart> heatxsink_ Please type 1 idea per message...You just flood the channel that way and it's hard to follow.
[08:46] <LasseL> ompaul, try what?
[08:46] <ogra> spiral, no idea, since i dont know how ksceeensaver works... feel free to jointhe TB meeting at 20:00 UTC in #ubuntu-meeting where well discuss gnome-screensaver
[08:46] <Chastaghir> Google does not help. Any ideas?
[08:46] <heatxsink_> when compling a kernel with an existing config file, what do I type?
[08:47] <ompaul> LasseL, to enter both passwords in the xchat dialog box
[08:47] <spiral> ogra: this evening ?
[08:47] <spiral> ogra: they speak about 21st
[08:48] <darkheart> heatxsink_ Existing..Like the one used to compile the current kernel?
[08:48] <ogra> spiral, every tuesday... CC and TB changing in a two week schedule
[08:48] <sonnyjz> hello
[08:48] <psusi> let's say I have a driver that the kernel needs to access my hard disk... how can I go about installing ubuntu so that it loads that driver at boot time and thus, can mount my hard drive as the root filesystem?
[08:48] <spiral> ogra: all right then
[08:48] <sonnyjz> is there any online documentation I can look for ?
[08:48] <sonnyjz> through rather
[08:49] <elvirolo> KDE 3.5 rocks
[08:49] <Seveas> ogra?
[08:49] <Datcrack> /server irc.secureturkey.net - turkish linux help channel
[08:49] <Datcrack> /server irc.secureturkey.net - turkish linux help channel
[08:49] <elvirolo> thanks for the nice packages Riddell :)
[08:49] <wfc> in gpdf - im trying to print as a pdf but get the error message "You were trying to print to a printer using the "gnome-print-pdf" driver. This program requires a PostScript printer driver."
[08:50] <[Wiebel] > hmm
[08:50] <[Wiebel] > are there any ubuntu install flops? :)
[08:50] <ogra> Seveas, ?
[08:51] <Seveas> ogra, can I pm you for a sec?
[08:51] <ogra> sure
[08:51] <heatxsink_> darkheart: yes
[08:51] <erich> How can I remove the update-notifier from the default session?
[08:52] <Seveas> system -> preferences -> session
[08:52] <darkheart> heatxsink_ Well, I'm sure google can help you out with that, but I believe you copy the config file found in /boot to your kernel source tree root. I forget what it's named as though.
[08:53] <thomerz> 
[08:53] <mjr> thomerz, that's pretty, but doesn't really belong here :)
[08:53] <erich> Seveas: for all users that might login.
[08:54] <thomerz> ??
[08:54] <Seveas> thomerz, stick to english in here..
[08:54] <Seveas> erich, ehrm, /etc/gdm or /etc/X11/Xsession.d oslt...
[08:54] <thomerz>  Unicode 
[08:58] <MatC> ompaul, Chastaghir: thanks, got x reconfigured, the new card works now :)
[08:58] <darkheart> !ja
[08:58] <ubotu> darkheart: Did you get hit by a windmill?
[09:01] <Hoxzer> what is good sound editor for ubuntu?
[09:02] <CookedGryphon> Hoxzer audacity
[09:02] <CookedGryphon> well, it does everything i want it to, not sure if tis professional quality or anything
[09:02] <Tomcat_> Not really professional... :o
[09:03] <chaosmind> hey all-- Breezy rocks!  ... but what happened to all the radio stations in Rhythmbox?
[09:03] <Tomcat_> But quite good, still.
[09:03] <CookedGryphon> but tis fine for splicing up mp3 files and adding the odd effect/fadeout etc
[09:03] <CookedGryphon> i may nopt be doign it justice, as i've never had the need to use it for anythign more
[09:03] <psusi> let's say I have a driver that the kernel needs to access my hard disk... how can I go about installing ubuntu so that it loads that driver at boot time and thus, can mount my hard drive as the root filesystem?
[09:03] <creart> hi all. iam trying to use an install.sh script, but apparently it wants to use the kernel source... aint these included in ubuntu?
[09:04] <MatC> creart: doubt it, mine didn't even include gcc :)
[09:04] <Xenguy> Hi - the package 'msttcorefonts' does not seem to be currently available in Hoary -- does anyone know if it has been removed from Ubuntu?
[09:04] <freddy_s> Hey... how do I get w32codecs?
[09:04] <creart> but can't i get them with the package system then?
[09:04] <CookedGryphon> psusi, it *might* work if u put it in /etc/modules ... tho surely that would need to be mounted for it to read it.. so u will probs have to compile it into thekernel
[09:04] <MatC> freddy_s: look on mplayer's site, they have them there
[09:05] <CookedGryphon> creart, MatC the install CD has them on, it jsut doesn't install them by default
[09:05] <psusi> CookedGryphon: isn't /etc/modules in an initrd so that lilo can load them all, pass the initrd to the kernel, and then the kernel uses the drivers to access the disk?
[09:05] <CookedGryphon> u can install them via synaptic using just the cd as a repository
[09:05] <freddy_s> okay I'll try that
[09:05] <MatC> freddy_s: http://www.mplayerhq.hu/homepage/design7/dload.html
[09:05] <darkheart> thomerz #ubuntu operator +b you. If you type something, people cannot see it.
[09:06] <CookedGryphon> psusi, emm.... yes?
[09:06] <psusi> CookedGryphon: ok... so the question then is, how do I go about adding the driver to the initrd?
[09:06] <creart> but how do i install them from the cd, through the package system?
[09:06] <blank> yay
[09:06] <mihaie> hi, does ubuntu have a graphical interface to start/stop services ?
[09:06] <blank> can someone tell me the file that contains all the repositories
[09:06] <blank> for aptitude
[09:07] <CookedGryphon> psusi well if u think it will load /etc/modules anyway can't u jstu add it to the list
[09:07] <blank> someone told me yesterday but I forgot
[09:07] <tritium> mihaie, there's one in breezy
[09:07] <tritium> blank, /etc/apt/sources.list
[09:07] <blank> please :'(
[09:07] <blank> yay thanks!
[09:07] <freddy_s> "essential codecs package" ?
[09:07] <MatC> yeppers
[09:07] <psusi> CookedGryphon: well, it depends... is /etc/modules inside the initrd, or on the root filesystem?  if it's on the root filesystem, it won't be able to access it
[09:08] <freddy_s> ok but I don't know how to install from source, can I just do it with a command with the console?
[09:08] <CookedGryphon> psusi, i was under the impression that it was in the root filesystem, hence the hesitancy as to whether it would work, i think you may have to compile the module into the kernel
[09:08] <CookedGryphon> which is, i'm afriad, beyond me
[09:08] <creart> CookedGryphon, could you tell me the name of the kernel source ?
[09:08] <CookedGryphon> afraid*
[09:09] <freddy_s> MatC how do I install it?
[09:09] <psusi> CookedGryphon: I think it is too... I don't think I CAN compile it into the kernel, so I need to add it in with the other boot time drivers in the initial ramdisk image I think
[09:09] <psusi> but I'm not quite sure how to do that
[09:09] <blank> tritium: what's the command to refresh/update the aptitude thing, I remember I did it yesterday too
[09:10] <tritium> blank, sudo aptitude update
[09:10] <blank> thanks bud
[09:10] <tritium> sure
[09:11] <freddy_s> okay i have downloaded the codecs, but where do I put them?
[09:11] <Adsum> i have kind of a problem, when i've compiled and command my mud-server to run it says: "telnet bind: Permission denied". works as it should when i sudo it.
[09:11] <freddy_s> ssential-20050412.tar.bz2
[09:11] <Adsum> can anyone help me with this?
[09:12] <CookedGryphon> Adsum, change the permissions on it
[09:12] <chaosmind> tritium: what's the name of the GUI start/stop services app in Breezy?
[09:12] <freddy_s> I have downloaded essential codecs from mplayer homepage. but where do i put them?
[09:12] <CookedGryphon> with sudo chmod a+x (executble name here)
[09:12] <boxerboy> hi everyone
[09:13] <CookedGryphon> Adsum, or u may need to give the program itself root privelidges
[09:13] <Adsum> CookedGryphon, that sounds a bit risky
[09:13] <Adsum> CookedGryphon, the chmod didnt work btw
[09:13] <psusi> Adsum: non root users can not bind to ports under 1024
[09:13] <CookedGryphon> Adsum the second one maybe, the first one jstu means u can run it as anyone
[09:13] <Morimando> hello there
[09:13] <boxerboy> i sent in a bug and now they came back asking for the xsession-errors fille in home dir. i searched home all over and i cant find it is there  away to locate it?
[09:13] <Adsum> psusi, ah :D
[09:14] <CookedGryphon> oh rite okay, the second option i'm not so sure about ( a little knowledge is a dangerous thing)
[09:14] <tritium> chaosmind, services-admin is the program, and it's part of the gnome-system-tools package
[09:14] <Morimando> Anybody here able to help me with Ubuntu & Compaq Evo N610c?
[09:14] <psusi> Adsum: so either run the program as root, or bind it on another port ;)
[09:14] <Adsum> CookedGryphon, i wouldnt want a remote controlled program to have root access on my computer, it sounds very unsecure
[09:14] <psusi> or maybe you can use tcpwrappers or some sort of program that runs as root to do the bind, then drops to a normal user to run the mud
[09:14] <tristanmike> Does anyone know why when I try and resize firefox windows, it's all jittery, and very difficult to handle?
[09:15] <CookedGryphon> yeah, so bind it to another port?
[09:15] <chaosmind> tritium: thanks!  VEDDY cool!
[09:15] <Morimando> tristanmike, any specific graphics card driver?
[09:15] <freddy_s> MatC: can you help me installing the codecs?
[09:15] <tristanmike> nVidia, the ones from the repos
[09:15] <freddy_s> or anyone else
[09:15] <gn0me> Anyone had any experience with Apache? I tried their channel with no answer.  I edit the config (to change the basedir) and try to restart apache and it doesn't update to the new basedir, any ideas?
[09:15] <Adsum> psusi, thanks alot for the info. Worked when i changed the port
[09:15] <tristanmike> fx5200, it's only firefox Morimando
[09:16] <Morimando> tristanmike, exclusively? No other problems?
[09:16] <tritium> chaosmind, are you running breezy?
[09:16] <chaosmind> freddy_s: unfortunately, http://www.ubuntuguide.org/ is down right now, but google has it cached!  (very good instructions!)
[09:16] <peter1984> how do i make an initrd image?
[09:16] <chaosmind> tritium: yeah, more or less up-to-the-minute preview!  ;-)
[09:16] <tritium> chaosmind, if you are, System->Administration->Services will get you there
[09:16] <psusi> peter1984: I've been wondering that myself
[09:16] <tritium> cool, chaosmind :)
[09:16] <freddy_s> i've found the codecs I need at mplayer homepage, but i don't know how to install them
[09:16] <florg> hi there, i can't write to a file on my fat32 partition because it belongs to group "root". when i try to make "sudo chgrp <me> <file>", it comes "operation not permitted". what to do?
[09:16] <tristanmike> Morimando, yup, not that I've notice, sometimes, when I'm trying to resize it, it will close all windows, but that's very rare
[09:16] <Morimando> peter1984, "man mkinitrd" should give you some clues
[09:16] <boxerboy> it wont open  from google either ive tried everything to get back in that site
[09:17] <psusi> or more specifically, how can I add a boot driver to the initrd ubuntu installs
[09:17] <freddy_s> and the ubuntu guide instructions won't let me install w32codecs
[09:17] <chaosmind> tritium: thx, very cool... now all we need is a decent runlevel editor! ;-)
[09:17] <Seveas> ubuntuguide is crud
[09:17] <Morimando> tristanmike, have you looked for updates for firefox/updated the repos in Synaptic? Have you installed firefox-gnome?
[09:17] <Adsum> so when im here i just thought i would ask: aren't i suppose to be able to run executables by just typing in the name and not having to do the ./ before it??
[09:17] <CookedGryphon> florg, how have u mounted it?
[09:17] <psusi> florg: you want chown not chgrp
[09:17] <tristanmike> Morimando, lemme check
[09:17] <Morimando> freddy_s, w32codecs is not available at the moment
[09:17] <Seveas> freddy_s, hoary or breezy?
[09:17] <peter1984> damn in suse i just added the path in etc/sysconfig/kernel. but where is it in ubuntu???
[09:17] <Seveas> Morimando, it is...
[09:17] <lonewolff> Seveas: both crud and down it seems
[09:17] <lonewolff> so all is good
[09:17] <freddy_s> hoary.
[09:17] <CookedGryphon> florg, and what he said
[09:18] <florg> CookedGryphon, with user,exec,uid=<my uid"
[09:18] <[Wiebel] > breezy here :)
[09:18] <gn0me> adsum: I think you make a link to it in one of the dirs in your $PATH.. like /usr/bin
[09:18] <chaosmind> freddy_s: it's actually easier to update your repositories, then do "apt-get install w32codecs" (or od the same via Synaptic)
[09:18] <[Wiebel] > same problem :)
[09:18] <Seveas> freddy_s, grab the codecs from mplayerhq.hu...
[09:18] <Morimando> peter1984, mkinitrd is the program you need, i dunno the syntax by heart, though, but it ain't too hard
[09:18] <florg> psusi, it belongs to me as user but to root as groop!?
[09:18] <freddy_s> chaosmind: ive been trying that for a couple of days, didn't work for me
[09:18] <Seveas> chaosmind, there's no repo with w32codecs for hoary currently
[09:18] <Adsum> gn0me, so its not automagically when files are marked as executables
[09:18] <psusi> florg: man chown... it changes both the owning user and group
[09:18] <[Wiebel] > Reinstallation of w32codecs is not possible, it cannot be downloaded.
[09:18] <chaosmind> freddy_s: D'oh!  guess it's down for themoment, sorry...
[09:18] <freddy_s> seveas: yes but how and where do install them
[09:18] <Morimando> chaosmind, seach synaptics for w32codecs, it's gone
[09:19] <peter1984> i know i have used it in suse
[09:19] <Seveas> freddy_s, mplayerhq.hu
[09:19] <gn0me> Adsum: yeah
[09:19] <Seveas> search for the download link
[09:19] <gn0me> Adsum: ./<file> if it isn't
[09:19] <Seveas> it has install instructions too
[09:19] <butcherbird> someone know why w32codecs were removed from the repo?
[09:19] <Earthen> freddy_s, did you look at the readme file on the mplayer page it tells you how to install the codecs
[09:19] <freddy_s> seveas: i have downloaded essential-20050412.tar.bz2
[09:19] <freddy_s> , but where do i put the files which are inside?
[09:19] <tristanmike> Morimando, ok, I've got firefox-gnome-support if that's what you mean, and I'm not quite sure what you mean when you say "firefox/updated" I don't see that in synaptic under a search for "firefox"
[09:19] <Morimando> peter1984, you probably just need to insert te modules needed in /etc/mkinitrd
[09:19] <freddy_s> earthen: no i didnt ill have a look now
[09:19] <Adsum> gn0me, damn. I'm dissapointed
[09:19] <chaosmind> Morimando: you are correct, sir!  (I'll stop giving bunk advice!!)
[09:20] <Morimando> tristanmike, i meant if you updated firefox since you first installed Ubuntu
[09:20] <Seveas> freddy_s, /usr/lib/win32/
[09:20] <Earthen> freddy_s, http://mplayerhq.hu/DOCS/README
[09:20] <freddy_s> seveas: okay! thanks
[09:20] <Morimando> chaosmind, no problem there, i just realized it yesterday
[09:20] <Morimando> hope it'll be back soon
[09:20] <boxerboy> ok this si really strange i opened terminal and typed "locate xsession"
[09:20] <chaosmind> so the w32codecs thing... technical glitch or the Pointy-Headed Bosses playing DRM?!?
[09:20] <psusi> Morimando: ubuntu installs a prepackaged initrd from the installer cd right?  is there any way I can open up that initrd image while running the install, and add a driver to it, then install?
[09:21] <Seveas> chaosmind, ENOIDEA
[09:21] <Seveas> I have breezy debs though...
[09:21] <CrTr> dc++ client for ubuntu ?
[09:21] <Morimando> psusi, you can open it and take a look at it but you can only change it using mkinitrd, unfortunately
[09:21] <boxerboy> it gave me home/boxerboy/.xsession-errors   i swear i dont have it
[09:21] <freddy_s> Seveas: the win32 folder isn't there, how do i create it?
[09:21] <chaosmind> Seveas: LOL!
[09:21] <Seveas> freddy_s, sudo mkdir /usr/lib/win32/
[09:22] <peter1984> But it is an DSDT.aml file, is it the same for that kind of file?
[09:22] <tristanmike> Morimando, I've taken all updates that have been offered, aside from that I haven't gone looking for updates, was I suppose to?
[09:22] <GhostFreeman> wait, is Breezy out
[09:22] <boxerboy> yes
[09:22] <Seveas> GhostFreeman, no
[09:22] <psusi> Morimando: so mkinitrd builds the initrd image from a directory tree you give it?  so I should be able to mount the initrd that the installer puts on the hard disk, copy the files in it to a temp directory, add the driver, then run mkinitrd to build a new image?
[09:22] <Seveas> not until oct. 13
[09:22] <boxerboy> colony 4 is lateset
[09:22] <Seveas> boxerboy, nonsense
[09:22] <GhostFreeman> ok
[09:22] <freddy_s> Seveas: so i guess i will have to chmod 770 /usr/lib/win32 as well?
[09:22] <Seveas> there's been a preview release already :)
[09:23] <boxerboy> i just ordered the ship it cds
[09:23] <Morimando> tristanmike, When you start Synaptic, there is a button saying "reload" or something like that, hit this button to refresh the repositories, it will then show you, if updates are available (in the system notification area)
[09:23] <Seveas> freddy_s, no, you unpack the tarball and move the files in there as root...
[09:24] <Morimando> psusi, I believe if you add the modules in /etc/mkinitrd and then run mkinitrd -o /boot/initrd.name it will build the new initrd according to the new filestructure
[09:24] <tristanmike> Morimando, ok, just did it, no updates, but I didn't think there would be, my computer tells me shortly after I log in.
[09:24] <psusi> hrm... ok... I'll have to give that a try
[09:25] <tristanmike> Morimando, Its been like that for a while now, just never spoke up before, it's just been getting real annoying, ya know :)
[09:25] <Morimando> tristanmike, ah okay. Then you should e running the latest firefox version. I am not sure what causes the provlems you got, then... but I believe it has something to do with refreshrate and/or the nvidia driver configuration in /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[09:25] <chaosmind> where can I download the Colony 4 release of Breezy (assuming that's newer than the preview?)
[09:26] <nlogax> chaosmind Preview is newer tahn Col4
[09:26] <chaosmind> nlogax: thanks!  (love this community  ;-)
[09:26] <Seveas> chaosmind, it isn't
[09:26] <Seveas> preview is the latest
[09:26] <Seveas> hmm nvm, i should read first, then talk
[09:26] <Seveas> :)
[09:26] <chaosmind> =)
[09:26] <nlogax> chaosmind me too!
[09:27] <Seveas> anyway, if you run hoary, then simply dist-upgrade to breezy :)
[09:27] <tristanmike> Morimando, yeah, I'm pretty sure I'm all up to date, I'm running Hoary, if that helps. I've recently re-configured xserver for something else, but the problem still persits. You don't have the issue, when trying to resize windows via the bottom right corner resizer?
[09:28] <Morimando> tristanmike, no i don't have this problem, neither with my nvidia (FX5600 Ultra) nor with my Laptop (Radeon Mobility 7500)
[09:28] <creart> when you use the sudo command in the terminal, will your actions outside the terminal then also be done as root?
[09:28] <Fiyawerx> if all compaq's were exaclty the same, someone could probably help you so "everything just works" i wish it was that easy
[09:28] <psusi> compcrap = beat repeatedly with a hammer or other blunt object untill you feel better
[09:28] <Seveas> creart, only if you launched them with sudo...
[09:28] <psusi> creart: no
[09:28] <psusi> only the command you ask sudo to run is run as root
[09:28] <Morimando> tough I use the drivers from the Nvidia homepage and I use Sourcemage on my Desktop computer
[09:29] <creart> so how can i make "root actions" out side the terminal?
[09:29] <redlounge> hi. anyone knows if there is an easy way to use dnsbl with thunderbird in ubuntu? i used spampal back in the windows times...
[09:29] <Morimando> I only use Ubuntu on my laptop at the moment, and not sure if i continue using it, if i don't get the friggin Fn key to work
[09:29] <psusi> why do you want to?
[09:29] <Seveas> crabstic, be a bit more specific...
[09:29] <pkern> Is Ubuntu Breezy able to have its root filesystem on LVM?
[09:29] <Morimando> pkern, I think so
[09:29] <Seveas> hoary can have that too
[09:30] <Seveas> it's just /boot that can't be on lvm
[09:30] <florg> i still can't change neither group nor user :-( not with chgrp or chwon
[09:30] <tristanmike> Morimando, hmmm, is there any way I can take a video of that cause it's whacky as heck! When I click and drag, up becomes down, but then reverts to up, but then reverts to down again, left and right, same thing. But I should also say, that it only seems to happen when I move outside of the window frame. If I stay inside the frame, it's ok, but that means I have to resize the windows really slowly, you can see how this is an annoyance.
[09:30] <tritium> Morimando, have you tried setting up keyboard shortcuts?
[09:30] <freddy_s> Seveas: okay great, thanks. but everything isn't working, is that package really everything in w32codecs? because when i had w32codecs on another install  i could view those i can't now
[09:30] <pkern> Because my initrd just dropped into busybox after pre-install boot from lilo. LVM was initialised, but it wasn't able to find /etc/fstab, it didn't load the reiserfs module and I had to run-init it manually.
[09:31] <Seveas> freddy_s, you may have luck with the w32codecs package on seveas.ubuntulinux.nl
[09:31] <Seveas> it;s made for breezy but might work on hoary too
[09:31] <Morimando> tritium, I have setup the Multimediakeys and the volume keys, those where easy because they created an ordinary event, i used "dmesg" to see what event and then assigned the key a keycode. But Fn and Fn+something doesn't create any event visible in dmesg
[09:32] <tritium> Morimando, I see.
[09:32] <apokryphos> freddy_s: there's a hoary w32codecs at giannaros.org/public/hoarydebs
[09:32] <tritium> Morimando, which model?
[09:32] <florg> oops - is it normal that all files on a vfat fs belong to group root?
[09:32] <Morimando> tristanmike, sorry, but i got no idea what the problem is with your Firefox. I could only guess it's about a) refresh rate b) mouse difficulties. You should try the Ubuntu forums
[09:32] <psusi> florg: unless you specify another group when you mount it, yes
[09:32] <freddy_s> Seveas: i need to enter username and password. arent those for breezy?
[09:32] <Morimando> tritium, a Compaq N610c, newest firmware ("new" being relative, the last BIOS is from 2004)
[09:33] <florg> psusi, ok, means i also should the option "gid=<my group>" to the mount?
[09:33] <florg> in fstab
[09:33] <tristanmike> Morimando, I've checked, saw one thread with only 2 posts, and a vauge maybe fix
[09:33] <freddy_s> apokryphos: .dev package, how to install it?
[09:33] <psusi> florg: if yuo want it owned by your group, yes
[09:33] <Morimando> tristanmike, and that didn't work?
[09:34] <florg> thx
[09:34] <Seveas> freddy_s, sudo dpkg -i filename.deb
[09:34] <yahalom> anyone know of  a good movie editor , for avis?
[09:34] <tristanmike> Morimando, I can't figure out what the heck the poster is talking about
[09:34] <Morimando> tristanmike, post me the link, i'll take a look
[09:35] <pkern> Hm. It seems that the Breezy installation from netboot is completely broken in pre-install.
[09:35] <tristanmike> Morimando, thanx that's nice of you, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=28164
[09:35] <tritium> yahalom, perhaps kino
[09:35] <yahalom> tritium, kino does do it
[09:35] <freddy_s> Seveas: okay
[09:35] <tristanmike> Morimando, but I don't have any of those extensions, just the media player connectivity
[09:35] <Morimando> tritium, you got no idea?
[09:36] <tritium> Morimando, no, I looked into it, but didn't find much
[09:36] <Morimando> damn
[09:36] <birna90> irc.trivia.is
[09:36] <tritium> Morimando, you can check this page: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LaptopTestingTeam/CompaqEvoN600c
[09:36] <tritium> But that's a slightly different model
[09:36] <jjb> Hi, I need help abut network, cannot manage to configure my printer which is on a Windows network
[09:37] <freddy_s> Seveas, apokryphos: i installed it now, great thx :)
[09:37] <cristiano> hi guys i need help
[09:37] <Morimando> tristanmike, did you try the suggested fix? opening a firefox window, typing "about:config" in the location-bar and then changing the mentioned values?
[09:37] <tristanmike> Morimando, I don't have those values :(
[09:38] <tristanmike> ?
[09:38] <yuyudhana> On hoary, when I add a new user using users-admin, it does not get added to sudoers and I had to do it manually. Is this how it is to be done? The wiki mentions that "Executing system administrator tasks" privilege should be checked. I don't see this option at all. Thanks in advance
[09:39] <freddy_s> Seveas, apokryphos: i still can't play the files though, do you need to register the codecs before it works? I saw some command with register in ubuntu guide about codecs
[09:39] <dreamstar> hi guys i need help
[09:39] <Seveas> freddy_s, which player?
[09:39] <cheesie> Be Back Later
[09:40] <Morimando> tristanmike, try creating them
[09:40] <dreamstar> i installed the 5.10 right now and i'm not able to play mp3 files with whatever player: why?
[09:40] <freddy_s> Seveas: xine, totem, mplayer :P preferably mplayer i heard it's the best
[09:40] <jjb> what kind of help ?
[09:40] <ninjafish> yuyudhana go to properties -> User privileges
[09:40] <Morimando> type "nglayout" in the bar were it says "filter", then right click, then "New" and "String" and then copy what the tread says
[09:40] <Seveas> freddy_s, mplayer should pick them up automagically
[09:40] <apokryphos> freddy_s: no need to register; should be fine if you restart the player in theory
[09:40] <apokryphos> dreamstar: do you have the gstreamer0.8-mad package?
[09:41] <dreamstar> yep everything
[09:41] <tristanmike> Morimando, and how would I go about that....?
[09:41] <Morimando> likewise with the other value, just change the filter
[09:41] <apokryphos> dreamstar: and what happens when you do try to play?
[09:41] <Morimando> tristanmike, you enter those values as New Strings and then restart firefox
[09:41] <dreamstar> it says it cannot find the codecs
[09:41] <yuyudhana> ninjafish: I saw Properties -> User Privileges and that option is not present
[09:42] <tristanmike> Morimando, lol, ok, let's go one step further...how do I add a new string
[09:42] <apokryphos> dreamstar: I doubt any extra mp3 package is required; I've always used juk/amarok here fine, and I haven't heard other complaints...
[09:42] <apokryphos> dreamstar: when did you upgrade?
[09:42] <DVSoftware> hellooo ppl
[09:42] <freddy_s> Seveas, apokryphos: I killed MPlayer, and the other media players. tried to play the videos, *.mov *.wmv *.avi
[09:42] <ninjafish> yuyudhana, what is below enable access to external storage devices?
[09:42] <tristanmike> Morimando, it doesn't appear I can edit it from here
[09:43] <Morimando> tristanmike, like i said, you're in 'about:config', you enter nglayout as "Filter" (right under the location bar), then there should be two values and much free space, you rightclick the free space and in the appearing menu you select 1) NEW and then 2) String
[09:43] <dreamstar> i upgraded right now, i installed the 5.10 and made a complete upgrading
[09:43] <DVSoftware> why i can't intall damn vlc in breezy?
[09:43] <apokryphos> freddy_s: are you sure you installed w32codecs correctly, and that you're running i386? dpkg -l|grep w32codecs gives?
[09:43] <yuyudhana> ninjafish: Monitor system logs
[09:43] <freddy_s> Seveas, apokryphos: but no luck, it still doesn't work, xine only plays sound, and shows some messed up graphics,Mplayer hangs, and totem shuts down immediately
[09:43] <tristanmike> Morimando, sorry, thanx, I wasn't really aware of the right click-New, sorry
[09:44] <apokryphos> freddy_s: erm, cancel the i386; you just need 32-bit
[09:44] <Morimando> tristanmike, as value, set 0
[09:45] <freddy_s> dpkg -l|grep w32codecs gives ii  w32codecs      20050216-0.0   win32 binary codecs
[09:45] <tristanmike> Morimando, yeah I was just going to ask
[09:45] <apokryphos> freddy_s: hm, looks like it's installed ok
[09:45] <dreamstar> i really don't know why mp3 doesn't work :(
[09:45] <DVSoftware> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2381
[09:45] <JDigital> Hey. Can anyone tell me how to up the subtitle font size on mplayer?
[09:45] <DVSoftware> why?
[09:45] <JDigital> Maybe there's a command-line option to do it
[09:45] <freddy_s> apokryphos: i have 32 bit processor
[09:45] <ninjafish> yuyudhana - ok go to advanced and select administrator from the profile dropdown
[09:45] <JDigital> I read the man page but it doesn't give me anything.
[09:45] <JDigital> I read the official documentation but it doesn't give me anything either.
[09:46] <Morimando> tristanmike, for the other value: set it to 5000
[09:46] <JDigital> I asked in #mplayer but they won't tell me because I got the package with Ubuntu and didn't compile it myself.
[09:46] <shrike__> bastards
[09:46] <tristanmike> Morimando, your quicker then I can get the question out, nice, thanx
[09:46] <LittleDan> when I do sudo update-alternatives --config gcc, it says no alternatives for gcc
[09:47] <tritium> LittleDan, try cc
[09:47] <Morimando> tristanmike, I hope that works. When you entered both strings, restart firefox and see if that helped
[09:47] <tristanmike> Morimando, out of curiosity, how did you arrive at those numbers, if you don't mind?
[09:47] <tritium> LittleDan, all the atlernatives are in /etc/alternatives
[09:47] <LittleDan> it says that only gcc (3.3.5) will work, but I've apt-gotten gcc-4.0
[09:47] <tritium> alternatives, that is
[09:48] <Morimando> tristanmike, I just used the link the guy added in his post and searched for the two values he had mentioned
[09:48] <tristanmike> Morimando, nope, no go
[09:48] <tristanmike> Morimando, oh, I didn't see them, sorry
[09:48] <Morimando> damn :(
[09:48] <freddy_s> apokryphos: mpq files works, but only with totem, xine shows messed up graphics and mplayer hangs. totem playback isn't perfect though, it's very choppy and laggy
[09:48] <LittleDan> tritium, what do I have to put in /etc/alternatives to make it work?
[09:49] <Morimando> tristanmike, maybe you should read the linked page, maybe it has the right solution somewhere, if those two don't work i have no other idea :)
[09:49] <Morimando> :) ==> :(
[09:50] <tristanmike> Morimando, thank you very much for your time, you taught me a thing or two anyway :( ==> :)
[09:50] <Morimando> tristanmike,  you're welcome
[09:50] <tristanmike> Morimando, and I know it doesn't work, so that's good too
[09:50] <up2zion22> i cant install my local printer
[09:50] <up2zion22> pls help
[09:51] <freddy_s> apokryphos: any idea what to do?
[09:51] <tristanmike> Morimando, will a right click-reset on my entry delete it?
[09:51] <apokryphos> freddy_s: not quite sure why that's happening, I'm afraid.
[09:51] <ninjafish> up2zion what modal printer
[09:51] <fivetwentysix> can i play wmv in ubuntu?
[09:51] <Morimando> up2zion22, is it a Lexmark?
[09:51] <tritium> LittleDan, you don't put anything there
[09:51] <Morimando> tristanmike, I dunno, maybe yes ;)
[09:51] <ninjafish> fivetwentysix yes, google 'restricted formats ubuntu'
[09:51] <tristanmike> Morimando, nope, took away the value
[09:51] <LittleDan> tritium, but how do I inform the system of gcc-4.0's presence?
[09:52] <fivetwentysix> thanks
[09:52] <DVSoftware> why i can't install vlc
[09:52] <Morimando> tristanmike, well it won't hurt leaving the two entries in there, as long as the behaviour off FF isn't getting worse
[09:52] <tritium> LittleDan, try update-alternatives with --set <name> <path>
[09:53] <tristanmike> Morimando, that's yet to be determined.....
[09:54] <freddy_s> apokryphos: think i should try VLC?
[09:54] <tristanmike> Morimando, I'm the kinda guy, if I don't need it, then I don't want it
[09:54] <apokryphos> freddy_s: sure
[09:54] <up2zion22> epson
[09:54] <up2zion22> i cant detect anything
[09:54] <LittleDan> tritium, it says it can't find the alternative `/usr/bin/gcc-4.0'
[09:54] <yuyudhana> ninjafish: thanks. The profiles drop-down is shown only when adding the first user. I had missed that
[09:55] <Morimando> tristanmike, me either, normally, i added the values myself to see if it works the way i described it, now i too can't get rid of em ;)
[09:55] <tristanmike> Morimando, d'oh!
[09:55] <ninjafish> yuyudhana - np
[09:56] <tritium> LittleDan, perhaps with --install, then?
[09:58] <LittleDan> what's <link>?
[10:01] <Oli> hello
[10:02] <Floaties> hey oli
[10:02] <Floaties> uk oli?
[10:02] <Oli> No, .ch :)
[10:02] <Floaties> :O
[10:03] <LittleDan> tritium, what do I put for <link>?
[10:03] <yuyudhana> Another problem: I moved from FC4 to Hoary. While installing I left /home (ext3) unformatted. Now Hoary says fsck.ext3 has detected some new features on the /home partition and a new version of e2fsck is needed. When I do apt-get update, I see that I have the most recent e2fsprogs. Please help.
[10:03] <Oli> Well, I have just fresh installed an Ubunto, seems good, except that my mouse wont run (ps/2) - X is up, no fun without mouse :/ ways to go? :)
[10:04] <Floaties> im still at the bottom of the food chain,mine is locked ar boot
[10:04] <Morimando> Oli look for /dev/input/mouse or /dev/psaux if it's tere
[10:05] <typo> how stable is breezy right now? (I have been using linux for many years and debian for a few, I know about apt and dpkg)
[10:05] <thoreauputic> Oli: have you tried  sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg? There you can probably choose options for your mouse
[10:05] <Morimando> if yes, then manually edit your /etc/X11/xorg.conf and change the mouse device
[10:05] <Oli> thoreauputic, Morimando: problem is X is up (at boot time), no mouse - I'm kinde bullshited, dont know any shortcuts or should i hit ctrl/alt/backspace and kill xserver?
[10:06] <up2zion22> cant print locally: unable to open parallel port device file  "/dev/lp0": Permission denied
[10:06] <Morimando> Oli restart X won't get you anywhere. You need to figure out where your mouse is linked (in /dev/, most likely /dev/input) and insert that into your xorg.conf at the appropriate place
[10:06] <thoreauputic> Oli: ctrl-alt-F1 (or F2, F3 etc) and rune the command I suggested, then restart X
[10:07] <Oli> Ah, good I see a shell *feels better now*
[10:07] <thoreauputic> Morimando: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg is the correct way to reconfigure X
[10:07] <Morimando> xorgconfig will probably do it, if a) you haven't customized any things in xorg.conf and b) you know where your friggin mouse is
[10:07] <Morimando> thoreauputic, these are all correct ways to reconfigure X
[10:08] <Morimando> thoreauputic, though your way would anihilate all changes he has possibly made to xorg.conf, so it's only a good way, if the xorg.conf is fresh anyways
[10:08] <thoreauputic> Morimando: I'll rephrase that. In Debian - based distros, the canonical method is as I said
[10:08] <chemisus> hi, i am pretty new to linux, and i just installed ubuntu (hoary hedgehog) and am trying to share folders. which should i install, nfs or samba?
[10:08] <tritium> Morimando, no, use sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[10:08] <Oli> Next stupid question, is there a default root password, I dont remeber that I was asked at install time, only to set up a normal user :/
[10:09] <Morimando> sudo passwd root <= to set a root password, since Ubuntu doesn't have one normally
[10:09] <jadedstar> Chemisus: I prefer samba
[10:09] <tritium> !rootsudo
[10:09] <ubotu> I guess rootsudo is at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[10:09] <thoreauputic> Morimando: there's a long explanation at the top of the xorg.conf file
[10:09] <apokryphos> Morimando: don't tell 'em that =)
[10:09] <Morimando> Ubuntu recommends using sudo exclusively
[10:09] <chemisus> jadedstar: any specific reasons?
[10:09] <tritium> Oli, see that URL above
[10:09] <up2zion22> why is it so hard to print in linux
[10:09] <up2zion22> why is it so hard to print in ubuntu
[10:09] <jadedstar> Chemisus: Honestly? It has that 'Windows' feel lol
[10:09] <thoreauputic> Morimando: you are giving out advice that isn't appropriate for Ubuntu
[10:09] <Morimando> up2zion22, because the hardware manufacturers don't care about Linux
[10:10] <Morimando> thoreauputic, why?
[10:10] <Seveas> Morimando, read that wikipage
[10:10] <Seveas> it has a lengthy discussion about it
[10:10] <chemisus> jadedstar:  ok, thanks. is there anything that it has to offer over nfs? or vice versa?
[10:10] <Draal> Howdy.. Trying to install Ubuntu, I'm able to do everything up until the "instal Base system" step, wherein half way through, a red screen flashes that says "Unable to Install Base System, et, etc" and asks me to view a log
[10:10] <Seveas> simpy said: it's safer
[10:10] <LittleDan> up2zion22, it's not an ubuntu thing
[10:10] <Draal> Gone through two CD's (ordered from the main website) and both have the problem
[10:10] <Draal> Whats wrong?
[10:10] <apokryphos> It's a superior model
[10:10] <thoreauputic> Morimando: because there are better ways that have been worked out over years of Debian development
[10:10] <Seveas> Draal, how much memory/diskspace do you have?
[10:10] <Oli> k, i've tail -f now on /dev/input/mouse0 /dev/input/mice and /dev/psaux  just to see if there anything happen, nothing. Maybe my psport is fuxx0red
[10:11] <jadedstar> Chemisus: Not that I'm aware of. As with most things in Linux, it's all about preference and trying everything to see what you in specific like best.
[10:11] <up2zion22> Seveas: pls help
[10:11] <Draal> Seveas 9 gig partition for Ubuntu, 1 gig for swap and 256 megs
[10:11] <Morimando> Seveas, well if it's safer.. he asked how to add a root password, i told him... i myself prefer using "su" over sudo also, so I didn't see a problem with that
[10:11] <chemisus> jadedstar: ok, thanks
[10:11] <jadedstar> Chemisus: No problem. :-)
[10:12] <LittleDan> how do I make a symlink (sorry for all of these questions)?
[10:12] <apokryphos> Morimando: ubuntu isn't set up to use su
[10:12] <arkais> when i try to install de sdl, in the instructions says type ./configure, but is not in de SDL file
[10:12] <Seveas> Morimando, policy in here is that if someone asks how to set a root password that someone cleraly does not know enough about sudo so we educate about sudo instead
[10:12] <apokryphos> Morimando: hence, you shouldn't advise members to use the idiosyncratic method, when they're starting up.
[10:13] <thoreauputic> Morimando: you might have noticed by now that several people have said similar things: perhaps there's a reason for that?
[10:13] <Oli> mhh i go check BIOS, alse I take my ps2/usb adapter
[10:13] <lewion> hey Seveas merci vor de opmerking op unregged e
[10:13] <lewion> and now i'll talk english :p
[10:13] <Morimando> I just don't think he'd get it working with just reconfiguring X. If the install hasn't made it right, why should it work now?
[10:13] <Seveas> lewion, ?
[10:14] <paines> hi
[10:14] <epyon> hi
[10:14] <lewion> Seveas, dacht even dat ik ubuntu zat in plaats van unregged
[10:14] <lewion> in ubuntu
[10:14] <Seveas> :)
[10:14] <lewion> :p
[10:14] <lewion> dus merci
[10:14] <paines> any other amd64 pre breezy users experiencing cedega not working anymorre after updating to breezy from hoary
[10:14] <tritium> Morimando, because it's a reconfiguration where he can fix things
[10:14] <Seveas> anyway, brb, router is acting up on me so i'll have to reset the bastard
[10:14] <paines> amd64 users
[10:15] <Morimando> so i suggested he takes a look himself. With that "su" thing, i think it's a choice about what one likes best. But well I won't suggest "sudo passwd root" anymore, aight?
[10:15] <lillpelle> Hello. I have problems playing movies from my digital camera with mplayer and vlc. mplayer can't even play them and vlc plays them, but sound and video is not synced. Sound plays alot faster than video. Any ideas? Running the versions from Ubuntu 5.04.
[10:15] <apokryphos> Morimando: yes, good idea. Link to the Wiki always.
[10:15] <Morimando> tritium, as long as it doesn't ASK him where his mouse's node is...
[10:15] <nlogax> Draal - I had the same problem, it's a corrupt CD or ISO file
[10:15] <lillpelle> If it helps, I can put one video online...
[10:16] <apokryphos> heh, same
[10:16] <deadcat> the mouse on my powerbook g4 1.6gig doesnt move. any idea why?
[10:16] <Morimando> o'aight then, tritium ;)
[10:16] <thoreauputic> Morimando: the distinction is this: more experienced users may use differing methods - new users benefit by being taught the usual/ traitional Debian/Ubuntu methods
[10:16] <Draal> Nlogax ~ Really? These CD's came from the official Ubuntu presses
[10:17] <nlogax> Draal well, either that or the CD drive is faulty
[10:17] <Morimando> thoreauputic, what's enerving about sudo is the total lack of tab completion of the desired command, which i don't think to be very friendly
[10:17] <spayne> can i have any advice on installing RealPlayer and Sun Java
[10:17] <nlogax> Draal ...presuming that you're not out of disk space
[10:17] <spayne> since they have been removed from Hoary Extras
[10:17] <spayne> any wiki page?
[10:17] <Draal> Spayne ~ Ya.. Don't
[10:17] <tritium> ubotu, tell spayne about java
[10:17] <thoreauputic> Morimando: you can change thet by editing /etc/bash.bashrc
[10:18] <nlogax> Draal I had the same problem repeatedly - could be a bad batch of CDs at the pressing factory
[10:18] <ken> hello
[10:18] <ken> hello
[10:18] <Morimando> no tool for that *sinister smile*
[10:18] <toshi> hello everybody
[10:18] <Snoblower> can someone help me discover whether or not i still have windows xp? i installed ubuntu for the first time and didn't know what i was doing, so when i came to something about partitions i think i may have installed ubuntu over windows xp, i need help :(
[10:18] <Draal> nlogax ~ Did you burn your own CDs?
[10:18] <spayne> it has been removed from hoary extars
[10:18] <thoreauputic> Morimando: there's a block there you can uncomment for tab completion
[10:18] <spayne> so why does the wikipage mention hoary-extras
[10:18] <nlogax> Draal Yes.  I think in my case it was due to the fact that I copied the file whilst I was sharing it with BitTorrent
[10:19] <nlogax> Draal I tried 2 different burners and 3 x different CD-RWs, 3 different downloads of the .ISOs
[10:19] <LittleDan> Snowblower, if you did the default partitioning, you don't have windows anymore
[10:19] <bobbyd> Snoblower, run cfdisk, see if the partition is there
[10:19] <thoreauputic> Morimando: you should be happy - wow ! Something you can edit *grin*
[10:19] <LittleDan> Snowblower, or you could just restart the computer
[10:19] <Draal> nlogax took ya awhile to figure out I guess
[10:19] <nlogax> I thought default partitioning was to resize the Windows partition !?
[10:19] <LittleDan> that's not what it did to my computer
[10:19] <LittleDan> but I'm not sure
[10:19] <Draal> heh heh
[10:20] <LittleDan> maybe it was my fault that it deleted windows
[10:20] <Morimando> thoreauputic, I'd be more happy if someone told me how to catch and edit/assign the events my Fn key generates
[10:20] <nlogax> Draal yep!  I was very annoyed - I even tried the Gnome 2.12 liveCD and had the same prob
[10:20] <spayne> what about RealPlayer?
[10:20] <tritium> Snoblower, what does sudo fdisk -l tell you?  Do you see an NTFS partition?
[10:20] <ken> oh
[10:20] <Draal> nlogax So it was bittorent?
[10:20] <thoreauputic> Morimando: hmmm (guess follows)  xev ?
[10:20] <Draal> Spayne ~ Use Totem Player
[10:20] <Draal> Or mplayer
[10:20] <esac_> is there a way to get amarok 1.3.1 without installing breezy ?
[10:20] <Morimando> thoreauputic, nope xev catches the multimedia keys but doesn't react to Fn+something
[10:20] <nlogax> I was SCP copying the file off my Internet box whilst it was still being shared on BT. Not sure if that caused it, but as soon as I Ctrl+C killed BT and copied it again it worked
[10:21] <spayne> but i would like RealPlayer :)
[10:21] <Snoblower> tritium, i don't know, i'm new to linux, i don't know what i'm looking for...
[10:21] <Draal> Spayne ~ Try Helix player
[10:21] <toshi> does anyone use apache, and have the libapache-mod-php5 installed? I can't view my pages, I get error messages
[10:21] <bam_> xmmms
[10:21] <thoreauputic> Morimando: ah well, worth a guess anyway - otherwise I don't know :)
[10:21] <bam_> or beep
[10:21] <Draal> nlogax Good good
[10:21] <ken> hohohoho
[10:22] <Draal> This is a real bitch though..
[10:22] <tritium> Snoblower, does sudo fdisk -l list any partition as HPFS/NTFS under the "System" heading?
[10:22] <spayne> i would like to play Real Media Files
[10:22] <Morimando> thoreauputic, i was impressed how much of it Ubuntu setup by default, but now i am stuck. Seems like i first need to built my own kernel and then look closely at ACPI events
[10:22] <Snoblower> tritium, no
[10:22] <spayne> i will get the bin
[10:22] <tritium> Snoblower, it sounds unlikely that you kept WinXP
[10:22] <Snoblower> shit
[10:23] <thoreauputic> Morimando: I would suggest posting a question to the users mailing list
[10:23] <Morimando> But well... better than waiting all day for my poor Pentium IV M 1,8 to compile Sourcemage and then working all that by hand ;)
[10:23] <dazzed> is ubuntuguide.org down?
[10:23] <ken> nope
[10:23] <Morimando> thoreauputic, I posted it at a German linux forum, the Ubuntu forum and the Gentoo forum, now i need to wait, it seems
[10:24] <fivetwentysix> whats a good media player for ubuntu that can play most codecs?
[10:24] <apokryphos> dazzed: it goes down often
[10:24] <Oli> Okey mouse is running :o)
[10:24] <Draal> Morimando ~ I'm sure they will appreciate multiple forum postings
[10:24] <dazzed>  apokryphos gay
[10:24] <dazzed> lol
[10:24] <ken> iin
[10:24] <Morimando> fivetwentysix, i'd say mplayer
[10:24] <Draal> fivetwentysix: mplayer
[10:24] <apokryphos> dazzed: no, not gay; just bad servers.
[10:24] <thoreauputic> Morimando: I strongly recommend the users mailing list - high traffic and read by some very clueful people
[10:24] <fivetwentysix> can i get it from repositries, Morimando?
[10:24] <dazzed> thoreauputic: long time  no see
[10:24] <arkainium> how do I wake the machine from acpi suspend?
[10:24] <Draal> fivetwentysix: Check out the Official Ubuntu FAQ for a way to get mplayer up and running with mp3 support
[10:24] <Gobbla> fivetwentysix: vlc
[10:24] <shrike__> fivetwentysix, I like vlc for most stuff
[10:24] <Morimando> Draal, sure they will, I worked long with gentoo, so they won't mind
[10:25] <up2zion22> is the printer port lp0=parallel or serial
[10:25] <Morimando> fivetwentysix, you should
[10:25] <tritium> parallel, up2zion22
[10:25] <fivetwentysix> whats the command?
[10:25] <thoreauputic> dazzed: oh, I've been around - just less active than usual :)
[10:25] <up2zion22> tritium, you mean the big cable? not the usb?
[10:25] <Morimando> thoreauputic, I will frequent the mailing list, too, thanks for the tip
[10:25] <Gobbla> fivetwentysix: sudo apt-get vlc
[10:25] <Gobbla> :)
[10:25] <dazzed> thoreauputic: its me that has been less active...since i have been home from college this is one of the first times i have got my linux machine on the net :)
[10:25] <tritium> up2zion22, yes, it's large
[10:26] <Draal> fivetwentysix: Why not just use synaptic?
[10:26] <Morimando> there's so little information about specifics like that, i think i need every ressource i can get
[10:26] <fivetwentysix> good question :-)
[10:26] <ken> 
[10:26] <ken> huhu
[10:26] <ken> micha
[10:26] <ken> jona
[10:26] <ken> koli
[10:27] <Gobbla> fivetwentysix:  ive heard good things about kaffein too, try it if you want
[10:27] <tritium> strange
[10:28] <dazzed> i have a question for anyone that can solve this complex trivia....all my internet applications (limewire, gaim, irssi...etc) work just fine EXCEPT mozilla firefox...i find i have to disable and enable the lan connection on the host computer (winblows machine) for web browsing to work...this is on all computers on the network not just nix machines
[10:28] <Morimando> By the way: does anyone know exactly why w32codecs isn't in the repos any more?
[10:28] <Gobbla> *kaffeine
[10:28] <Oli> nice nice this ubuntu :O
[10:28] <apokryphos> Morimando: legal reasons
[10:28] <arkainium> anyone know how to resume after an S3 suspend?
[10:28] <nlogax> Draal, use CTRL+ALT+F2 to get a terminal and look in /var/log at the various files there
[10:28] <apokryphos> Gobbla: it's pretty good; newer versions have gstreamer/xine choice, which is cool.
[10:28] <Draal> Dazzed; erm.. Pretty obvious something is wrong with the host machine
[10:28] <Draal> nlogax: you can do this on the CD during installation?
[10:29] <Morimando> apokryphos, it was in restricted because of that, but now it's even gone there
[10:29] <apokryphos> Gobbla: there hadn't been much progression video-player-wise in KDE because there were so many people making different players. Kaffeine is getting more organised, though, now.
[10:29] <dazzed> Draal: well duhhh...but i have tried everything...and everything is most definately configured right...and its awkward that it only affects web browsing and no other internet application
[10:29] <Gobbla> anyone got a solution for me not being able to play (unencrypted) dvds?
[10:29] <apokryphos> Morimando: then it was moved to hoary-extras, and it was taken out of there too eventually.
[10:29] <thoreauputic> dazzed: sounds far fetched, but some people have found disabling ipv6 in about:config has made FF work for them
[10:29] <Draal> dazzed: may want to try #windows
[10:30] <psusi> arkainium: hit the powe rbutton
[10:30] <LittleDan> I did "sudo update-alternatives --install gcc-4.0 cc /usr/bin/gcc-4.0 30" and then when I tried cc, it said command not found
[10:30] <Draal> Or a forum for the OS
[10:30] <Gobbla> apokryphos: ok
[10:30] <dazzed> Draal: you may want to try actually helping people if your going to talk
[10:30] <Draal> Since you already identified its not the Unix boxes
[10:30] <nlogax> Draal yep
[10:30] <dazzed> Draal: and if i were to boot that machine up in nix then it would still have the same problem
[10:30] <up2zion22> tritium, ubuntu detected the printer. but still it wont print
[10:30] <dazzed> so its not the os its the connection between the computers and the sharing
[10:31] <dazzed> please if you dont know what your talking about please just keep quiet
[10:31] <tritium> up2zion22, did you configure it?  are you using hoary?  what printer?  Please provide as much detail as you can
[10:31] <nlogax> Draal - also, if it were bad sectors on the CD, swapping the CD for the other one you've got when it has the error might get you past (presuming they have random bad sectors)
[10:31] <Morimando> apokryphos, means i need to get & compile the codecs myself?
[10:31] <tritium> dazzed, you mean "you're" ?  ;)
[10:31] <Draal> nlogax: they seem to stop around the same area, I'll try that though
[10:32] <apokryphos> Morimando: hoary?
[10:32] <nlogax> I'd check the logs etc then
[10:32] <Draal> I ordered a Debian DVD set, so perhaps I'll just wait for that
[10:32] <Gobbla> no one huh? :(
[10:32] <dazzed> hehe
[10:32] <ips_> Hello
[10:32] <nlogax> Gobbla unencrypted DVDs?  home-made?
[10:33] <Gobbla> nlogax: nope
[10:33] <nlogax> can you play standard encrypted DVDs?
[10:33] <thoreauputic> dazzed: seriously, try disabling ipv6 in about:config and see if it helps - you can reverse it with a click anyway
[10:33] <Gobbla> nlogax: havent tried
[10:33] <ips_> Anyone knows anything about the audio on ubuntu?
[10:33] <shrike__> dazzed, can you ping using dns names before you disable/enable?
[10:33] <Gobbla> it plays in windows just fine
[10:33] <nlogax> can you access files on data DVDs?
[10:33] <Gobbla> dunno
[10:33] <Draal> Gobbla: You mean region free?
[10:33] <Morimando> ?
[10:33] <Gobbla> i mean some dude have decrypted it
[10:33] <dazzed> thoreauputic: gave that a shot no luck
[10:33] <thoreauputic> ips_: no, no-one knows anything about audio </joke>
[10:33] <dazzed> shrike__: yes
[10:33] <nlogax> Gobbla hmm you'd need to find out what CoDec it uses...
[10:33] <thoreauputic> dazzed: OK
[10:34] <Gobbla> i found some info on a ubuntu page
[10:34] <Gobbla> didnt help
[10:34] <nlogax> for encrypted DVDs it's the DeCSS thingy
[10:34] <Gobbla> installed some packages that is
[10:34] <ips_> thor: would you know how to increase the mic volume directly (not oss or alsa or anything)
[10:34] <thoreauputic> ips_: it might help if you made your question more specific
[10:34] <Gobbla> nlogax: cant find that pakage in synaptic
[10:34] <Morimando> apokryphos, I need to compile w32codecs myself, then? sorry for re-asking, i accidentally stepped on my switch and the cable slipped out (clip is damaged :( )
[10:34] <tritium> Gobbla, that's a really vague explanation of what you did
[10:35] <Gobbla> ok, lemme bring more clarity in it then
[10:35] <thoreauputic> ish: have you tried running alsamixer in a terminal ?
[10:35] <apokryphos> Morimando: you didn't answer the Q (or I didn't see). Are you on hoary?
[10:35] <Morimando> apokryphos, yes I am on hoary
[10:35] <Gobbla> libdvdcss2
[10:35] <Gandi> Guten Abend.
[10:35] <dazzed> shrike__: when i ping...it only returns one ping
[10:35] <dooglus> when I install a new package using apt-get, it installs all the dependancies too.  when I uninstall it, it never removes the dependancies.  can I ask it to?
[10:35] <Gobbla> shouldnt that ber enough?
[10:35] <apokryphos> Morimando: giannaros.org/public/hoarydebs/ -- you can grab it from there.
[10:36] <Morimando> thanks
[10:36] <Seveas> you can't compile w32codecs yourself
[10:36] <ips_> thor:I am trying to use Skype under Linux and my mic volume is too low, if I increase the alsa or oss mic volume it doesn't do anything. Skype seems to access /dev/dsp directly.
[10:36] <shrike__> dazzed, ehh? thats a little strange
[10:36] <Seveas> they're binary-only...
[10:36] <dazzed> shrike__: your telling me
[10:36] <dooglus> for example, I install "circuslinux".  it also installs "circuslinux-data".  I then uninstall it, and "circuslinux-data" stays behind, even though it's now useless to me.
[10:36] <Gobbla> tritium, nlogax i have installed the libdvdcss2 pakage
[10:36] <tritium> dooglus, aptitude can do that
[10:36] <dooglus> tritium: I tried aptitude.  it did the same.
[10:36] <dooglus> tritium: is there some special aptitude command I should use?
[10:36] <tritium> dooglus, you have to use aptitude to install as well as remove for that to work
[10:37] <dooglus> tritium: so it's too late for me?
[10:37] <lucaas> i've dist-upgraded to breezy, but x wont work directly, should i reinstall nvidia-glx or install kerne source + nvidia driver?
[10:37] <shrike__> dazzed, I have had problems with ipv6 in firefox but this seems unrelated..this is accross win and unix machines?
[10:37] <dazzed> hmmmm...guess its back to using the 56k then since i can't get this connection to work properly
[10:37] <thoreauputic> dooglus: you might want to try installing deborphan
[10:37] <dazzed> shrike__: yes
[10:37] <dooglus> thoreauputic: might I?
[10:37] <tritium> dooglus, you could try using debfoster
[10:38] <shrike__> dazzed, what kind of router?
[10:38] <dazzed> shrike__: it has nix on the box...but i use windows since its my sisters computer and she is computer illeterate
[10:38] <dooglus> tritium: could I?
[10:38] <thoreauputic> dooglus: well, deborphan will find orphaned packages :)
[10:38] <dazzed> shrike__: Dlink
[10:38] <dooglus> thoreauputic: ooh, that sounds good.
[10:38] <tritium> dooglus, yes, or deborphan as thoreauputic suggests
[10:38] <apokryphos> dooglus: what are you trying to do?
[10:38] <dazzed> shrike__: i use the router to connect to my laptop...and my laptop ddials up and everything is just fine web browsing pinging and all
[10:38] <dooglus> apokryphos: I'm trying to make some disk space...  I'm very low after compiling a kernel.
[10:38] <thoreauputic> apokryphos: burn his dead wood :)
[10:39] <jadedstar> apkrphos: he's trying to remove orphaned dependancies
[10:39] <dazzed> but i can't do dialup
[10:39] <apokryphos> Ok; deborphan is perfect, yes. Debfoster for more, if need be.
[10:39] <jadedstar> apkryphos: he's trying to remove orphaned dependancies
[10:39] <dooglus> apokryphos: and I noticed that I had "circuslinux-data" installed, without "circuslinux".  so I imagine I have many more 'useless' orphans on my system.
[10:39] <loki> hello
[10:39] <apokryphos> =)
[10:39] <ips_> thor: so do u have an idea as to what I should try?
[10:39] <loki> hello
[10:40] <ips_> loki: hi
[10:40] <jadedstar> loki: Hi :-)
[10:40] <shrike__> dazzed, does this happen only when it goes from your sister using windows to you booting *nx or vis-versa?
[10:40] <thoreauputic> ips_: well, skype is mystery wrapped in an enigma - it is closed source
[10:40] <shrike__> dazzed, other words if it is windows and you reboot do you have the problem
[10:41] <shrike__> dazzed, win- reboot to win
[10:41] <thoreauputic> ips_: by the way if you want me to see your posts, tab complete my nick
[10:41] <loki> o ok you can see me can some one tell me a way to get voice working in yahoo i am a new person to this flavor of linux i am a fc3 person and not to good with linux yet
[10:41] <loki> brb
[10:41] <loki> sorry
[10:42] <GhostFreeman> I need some help picking out a kernel to build
[10:42] <ips_> thoreauputic: Oh ok. Right.. but I think that if I manage to directly increase the /dev/dsp mic volume things should work, would u know how to do that?
[10:43] <thoreauputic> ips_: I don't personally - someone else might: is your pcm volume high?
[10:43] <ips_> thoreauputic: yeah my pcm volume is on max, but I think this is only the alsa and oss settings.
[10:44] <ips_> GhostFreeman: why don't you just build the latest?
[10:45] <GhostFreeman> which one, 386 486 or 686?
[10:45] <thoreauputic> ips_: the resident sound guru is crimsun - if he's around he might have words of wisdom for you
[10:45] <ompaul> dooglus, you could do a make clean at the top of the tree where you did you make in the first place
[10:45] <GhostFreeman> I have a (rather old) 600MHz Celeron
[10:45] <david_2k5> hy
[10:45] <Seveas> GhostFreeman, 686
[10:45] <ips_> thoreauputic, ok, thanks :)
[10:45] <GhostFreeman> alright
[10:45] <fivetwentysix> i cant find mplayer in the reposotries?
[10:45] <Seveas> fivetwentysix, enable multiverse then
[10:46] <GhostFreeman> Isnt there an application on APT that will help me compile a kernel
[10:46] <Seveas> GhostFreeman, if you don't know how to cimpile a kernel, then don't...
[10:46] <fivetwentysix> Seveas how?
[10:46] <ips_> fivetwentysix,  u have to add multiverse
[10:46] <Seveas> !sources
[10:46] <ubotu> methinks sources is at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto A list of official repositories can be found at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969 (Hoary) or http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2325 (Breezy)
[10:46] <Seveas> ^-- fivetwentysix that's how
[10:46] <dooglus> thoreauputic: thanks for suggesting deborphan.  that helped a lot
[10:47] <Seveas> dooglus, debfoster is even better ;)
[10:47] <thoreauputic> dooglus: you're welcome :)
[10:47] <david_2k5> I have a problem with installing java application =>david@linux:~/download/pakete/azureus$ java -jar Azureus2305-B27.jar
[10:47] <david_2k5> Exception in thread "main" java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: org/apache/commons/cli/CommandLine
[10:47] <ompaul> dooglus, make clean at the top of the tree may help
[10:47] <fivetwentysix> Yes
[10:47] <fivetwentysix> I have all those enabled
[10:47] <fivetwentysix> But they dont have mplayer
[10:47] <david_2k5> can anybody help me?
[10:48] <Seveas> david_2k5, sun java installed?
[10:48] <ips_> fivetwentysix, add multiverse!
[10:48] <ompaul> !tell fivetwentysix about restricted
[10:48] <dooglus> ompaul: rm -r at the top of the tree will probably help more :)
[10:48] <bobbyd> this is weird, I can't see gimp in synaptic
[10:48] <Seveas> fivetwentysix, they do
[10:48] <Seveas> search better :)
[10:48] <Seveas> !info gimp
[10:48] <ubotu> gimp: (The GNU Image Manipulation Program), section graphics, is optional. Version: 2.2.2-1ubuntu5 (hoary), Packaged size: 2755 kB, Installed size: 7704 kB
[10:48] <dooglus> Seveas: I looked at debfoster but wasn't sure it's what I need
[10:48] <Seveas> it's there though bobbyd if your sources.list is correct
[10:49] <david_2k5> yes Seveas
[10:49] <thoreauputic> uh oh
[10:50] <skel_> breezy rules
[10:50] <peter1984> makre
[10:50] <david_2k5> breezy is great
[10:50] <pkern> Seveas: Just ban 85.105.21.37?
[10:50] <thoreauputic> Seveas: they never give up, it seems...
[10:50] <fivetwentysix> Seveas you mean deb http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net/ hoary-extras main universe multiverse restricted?
[10:50] <Seveas> pkern, won't help....
[10:50] <pkern> k
[10:50] <Seveas> they have a big botnet..
[10:51] <Seveas> fivetwentysix, no
[10:51] <david_2k5> java version "1.5.0_05"
[10:51] <david_2k5> Java(TM) 2 Runtime Environment, Standard Edition (build 1.5.0_05-b05)
[10:51] <david_2k5> Java HotSpot(TM) Client VM (build 1.5.0_05-b05, mixed mode, sharing)
[10:51] <peter1984> In suse there is a file called kernel, located in etc/sysconfig. Where is it in ubuntu?
[10:51] <Seveas> peter1984, that's some suse-specific crud, what does the file specify>?
[10:51] <Seveas> fivetwentysix, I meant multiverse...
[10:51] <deadcat> the mouse is not moving on my powerbook. what do i need to do?
[10:52] <peter1984> The initrd location
[10:52] <fivetwentysix> ahh
[10:52] <Seveas> deadcat, mice don't like cats, morph into a piece of cheese :)
[10:52] <fivetwentysix> nevermidn got it :-)
[10:52] <thoreauputic> deadcat: change your nick to livecat ;-)
[10:53] <peter1984> I need to load a dsdt file in the initrd, but how!!!
[10:53] <david_2k5> what signs this message "org/apache/commons/cli/CommandLine"
[10:53] <Seveas> peter1984, on ubuntu systems the kernel packages take care of that
[10:53] <skel_> how do i minizmize the gnome-xchat
[10:53] <deadcat> help me please (=. not working
[10:53] <skel_> dotn see a way
[10:53] <Seveas> hit the minimize button....
[10:53] <Seveas> in the top right corner
[10:54] <skel_> i mine go to the tray
[10:54] <peter1984> Seveas How do i do it?
[10:54] <skel_> mean*
[10:54] <skel_> :P
[10:54] <Seveas> skel_, install the xchat-systray (oslt) package
[10:54] <kevor> http://www.lynucs.org/index.php?screen_type=1&screen_id=32572101041c04d88a5aa3&m=screen <-- what's the top right program called?
[10:54] <Seveas> peter1984, i must confess to have no idea about it sinc eI never needed to do it :)
[10:55] <Seveas> kevor, probably it's a gdesklet
[10:55] <TokenBad> ok folks...I don't have electricsheep installed and I downloaded deb file for the new electricsheep 2.6 and did sudo dpkg -i electricsheep_2.6.2-1~hoary1_i386.deb and during the proccess of installing it errors out saying it can't overwrite /usr/share/xscreensaver/config/electricsheep.xml...anyone tell me how to fix this?
[10:55] <kevor> gdesklets is rather buggy... nothing else that does something like that?
[10:55] <peter1984> Ohh ive done it many times on suse, but it is a lot harder on ubuntu!
[10:56] <skel_> Seveas:  is then says i must remove gnome-Xchat
[10:56] <lucaas> i dist-upgraded to breezy, and tried installing the nvidia driver, but i couldnt get the 2.6.12 kerne source as there only is a 2.6.11 package, what should i do?
[10:56] <lucaas> :S
[10:57] <Seveas> skel_, where did you get that from? it's not an Ubuntu package...
[10:57] <TokenBad> anyone know?
[10:58] <ompaul> TokenBad, where did you get that .deb from?
[10:58] <lucaas> TokenBad: you run itn with sudo, right?
[10:58] <skel_> yea it is lol i am on breezy
[10:58] <skel_> its this sweet new version of x-chat
[10:59] <loki> back sorry
[10:59] <ompaul> TokenBad, where did you get that .deb from? if it is not for you exact distribution then don't use it
[10:59] <TokenBad> ompaul, got the deb file from http://packages.ubuntu.com/cgi-bin/download.pl?arch=i386&file=pool%2Funiverse%2Fe%2Felectricsheep%2Felectricsheep_2.6.2-1~hoary1_i386.deb&md5sum=c0b47404763b62b7b9f4cc681a64d316&arch=i386&type=main
[10:59] <TokenBad> thats where got the deb file from
[11:01] <ompaul> TokenBad, do this, ls /usr/share/xscreensaver/config/electric* and see if you get a result
[11:01] <loki> dose anyone use yahoo messanger here
[11:01] <lucaas> anyone gnows what i should do?
[11:01] <LinuxJones> lucaas, did you re-boot your computer after the upgrade ?
[11:01] <ompaul> loki, use gaim
[11:01] <lucaas> LinuxJones: i did
[11:02] <loki> i know that but gaim dose not have voice
[11:02] <LinuxJones> lucaas, breezy uses the 2.6.12 kernel and you should have no problems with installing the nvidia drivers
[11:02] <GhostFreeman> Whats the command for the Xorg config utility
[11:02] <LinuxJones> lucaas, did you compile your own kernel ?
[11:02] <shrike__> loki, you cant use messenger with wine?
[11:02] <ompaul> TokenBad, is there something there?
[11:02] <lucaas> LinuxJones: no, i got one precompiled
[11:02] <LinuxJones> GhostFreeman, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[11:02] <GhostFreeman> ok, thanks
[11:02] <LinuxJones> lucaas, do uname -r in a terminal window
[11:03] <loki> no it just plan will not work it is to laber dependent
[11:03] <lucaas> LinuxJones: 2.6.12-8-386
[11:03] <loki> all i need is voice in yahoo
[11:03] <TokenBad> ompaul says no file or dir
[11:04] <LinuxJones> lucaas, ok now do sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx
[11:04] <funkyHat> is anyone else having trouble getting all the breezy repositories? i seem to be getting similar problems to the ones i was getting on hoary :(
[11:04] <loki> you would think the linux world some one would have done it by now
[11:04] <funkyHat> it's being worked on loki. lol
[11:04] <lucaas> LinuxJones: ok, done
[11:04] <dooglus> I built and installed a kernel yesterday.  How can I uninstall it now?
[11:04] <loki> and its a big thing for me so i eather find a way or i use windows for it
[11:05] <h08817> i was wondering if anyone knows what a RAM parity error means?
[11:05] <psusi> means you have bad ram
[11:05] <LinuxJones> lucaas, perfect now do  sudo nvidia-glx-config
[11:05] <nalioth> loki: look at gaim-vv
[11:05] <h08817> psusi: o ok thanks i get it every once in a while but if i reboot it goes away
[11:05] <bobbyd> loki, there is a messenger that does voice, a newish one
[11:05] <ompaul> TokenBad, so do this >>sudo touch /usr/share/xscreensaver/config/electricsheep.xml<< then try again - report it as a bug if that is the fix point that out :)
[11:06] <GhostFreeman> What would be the ideal xorg driver for a 16MB Voodoo 3?
[11:06] <lucaas> LinuxJones: it tells me that my x configuration is altered and that it cannot proceed automatically
[11:06] <LinuxJones> lucaas, ok we can do it manually
[11:06] <lucaas> alter driver to nvidia?
[11:07] <lucaas> change*
[11:07] <TokenBad> says same thing
[11:07] <loki> so i get to go learn how to install stuff in this distro ok
[11:07] <loki> and is gnome all i can use
[11:08] <LinuxJones> lucaas, do sudo gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[11:08] <TokenBad> ompaul, says same thing...
[11:08] <ompaul> TokenBad, check if the file now exists - use the up arrow to go back the couple of commands to the >>ls ... << command
[11:08] <thoreauputic> loki: you can use anything you like - xfce4, KDE, fluxbox, etc etc
[11:08] <TokenBad> say its there now
[11:08] <LinuxJones> lucaas, yes if your familiar you can change the driver to nvidia and ensure that glx is added to the loadable modules section
[11:08] <dooglus> if I run "dpkg -l" I don't see anything that looks like the kernel I built and installed yesterday.  any idea what the package I built would be called?
[11:08] <Echelon-H> what is the command to shutdown totally?
[11:09] <loki> what is the defalt package handeler
[11:09] <thoreauputic> dooglus: you built a deb for it?
[11:09] <fivetwentysix> How do i get w32codecs installed?
[11:09] <ompaul> Echelon-H, sudo shutdown -h now
[11:09] <lucaas> LinuxJones: i have Load   "glx" under Section "module, and driver   "nvidia" under Section "device"
[11:09] <Echelon-H> loki: synaptic?
[11:09] <Echelon-H> ompaul: thanks
[11:09] <dooglus> thoreauputic: I did.  I ran "make-kpkg --initrd --revision=cim.2.6.12.1 kernel_image" like the readme told me to.
[11:09] <thoreauputic> loki: apt or synaptic (GUI front end)
[11:09] <lucaas> LinuxJones: i cant use gedit since im in console :>
[11:09] <loki> package
[11:10] <loki> .package
[11:10] <loki> not the gui sorry
[11:10] <thoreauputic> dooglus: is it in /var/cache/apt/archives ?
[11:10] <dooglus> hahah.  so it's called "kernel-image".  duh.  I was grepping for "linux" and couldn't find it...
[11:10] <ompaul> TokenBad, paste the whole output of the dpkg command to paste.ubuntulinux.nl
[11:10] <thoreauputic> dooglus: aha
[11:10] <lampshade> dooglus:  Happened to me before too
[11:10] <LinuxJones> lucaas, that's ok now type sudo modprobe nvidia, then sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart
[11:10] <dooglus> thoreauputic: I clean the cache regularly
[11:10] <thoreauputic> dooglus: OK
[11:11] <fivetwentysix> How do i play Windows Media 9 files ?
[11:11] <thoreauputic> dooglus: but you just discovered that the system believed you when you named it kernel-image *grin*
[11:11] <dooglus> the kernel I built works fine other than the screen is black while it boots.
[11:11] <Seveas> fivetwentysix, grab the w32codecs deb from seveas.ubuntulinux.nl
[11:12] <dooglus> I don't see anything at all until the gdm login screen appears (other than the bios stuff, and the dots while the kernel uncompresses)
[11:12] <thoreauputic> dooglus: you should suggest this as a way to reduce confusion among new users ;-)
[11:13] <dooglus> thoreauputic: my 6 'virtual consoles' are all black on black too.
[11:13] <dooglus> I can log into them and work in them, but it's all black.
[11:13] <TokenBad> ompaul, done
[11:13] <thoreauputic> dooglus: ah - not so good
[11:13] <thoreauputic> dooglus: setterm might help...
[11:13] <funkyHat> dooglus, you could try looking up various vga= kernel modes and trying them
[11:13] <funkyHat> or thoreauputic's suggestion sounds better ;)
[11:14] <thoreauputic> or both indeed :)
[11:14] <dooglus> actually today they're not black.  I see what looks like an alien's version of gnome in them.
[11:14] <ompaul> TokenBad, I have no further ideas, I was hoping for that to be the way
[11:14] <thoreauputic> dooglus: well, your new kernel is entertaining at least :)
[11:14] <dooglus> funkyHat: I don't need to specify a vga= when booting the regular kernel.  and mine has the same config as the regular one.
[11:14] <ompaul> TokenBad, I would figure something else out
[11:14] <funkyHat> oh
[11:14] <dooglus> what's setterm?
[11:15] <thoreauputic> dooglus: man setterm *evil grin*
[11:15] <funkyHat> lol
[11:15] <ompaul> thoreauputic, :0
[11:15] <funkyHat> you aren't allowed to say that in here
[11:15] <funkyHat> ;)
[11:16] <thoreauputic> actually  man setterm is that rare thing: a man page that makes sense ;)
[11:16] <lucaas> LinuxJones: it still doesnt work :/
[11:17] <dooglus> thoreauputic: setterm doesn't seem to have any effect on the VCs
[11:17] <thoreauputic> setterm --help is probably useful enough actually
[11:17] <thoreauputic> dooglus: oh. Is your /etc/inittab normal looking?
[11:18] <thoreauputic> should be I guess, since the kernel has nothing to do with it really
[11:18] <LinuxJones> lucaas, you were messing around with your xorg config file manually, follow the steps at the top of the file. then sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg follow the prompts, ask if you don't know the answer to any question
[11:18] <fivetwentysix> seveas
[11:18] <dooglus> thoreauputic: I have 2 kernels installed - the regular breezy one, and the one I built myself.  One has working VCs, the other doesn't.  So it can't be anything about /etc/inittab, right?  Or vga= options.  Can it?
[11:18] <fivetwentysix> do i need a password?
[11:18] <apprentice> when is the new ubntu out
[11:19] <LinuxJones> apprentice, the 13th of Cot I believe
[11:19] <LinuxJones> err Octpber
[11:19] <apprentice> will it have cool things?
[11:19] <TokenBad> ubuntu is what...breezy or what?
[11:19] <LinuxJones> wtf October
[11:19] <Gobbla> LinuxJones: haha
[11:19] <LinuxJones> Gobbla, :)
[11:19] <thoreauputic> dooglus: right to /etc/inittab - vga= can be set per kernel in /boot/grub/menu.lst I think
[11:19] <apprentice> GOBBLA!!!!!!
[11:19] <Gobbla> apprentice: yeah?
[11:19] <dooglus> I use lilo, but both kernels use the same kernel flags.
[11:19] <thoreauputic> dooglus: on the kernel line
[11:19] <apprentice> i like ur nick,. its cool
[11:20] <TokenBad> is ubuntu breezy, warty, or hoary?
[11:20] <Gobbla> why thank you..
[11:20] <dooglus> thoreauputic: I compared the list of modules in /lib/modules for the two kernels.  I found that the one that works has initrd/vesafb.ko and mine doesn't...
[11:20] <thoreauputic> dooglus: then I know not, I fear
[11:20] <ORiON2012> TokenBad: Ubuntu is all of those
[11:20] <thoreauputic> dooglus: aha!
[11:20] <TokenBad> then how know what version of a package to download?
[11:20] <Gobbla> huh?
[11:20] <Gobbla> whatcha talking about?
[11:20] <ORiON2012> TokenBad: Hoary is the current release, Breezy is the release in development
[11:20] <dooglus> thoreauputic: I'm guessing that's the problem.  but how can I get mine to build that?  Mine has "kernel/drivers/video/vesafb.ko", as does the working one, but the working one also has vesafb.ko in '.../initrd/'
[11:21] <nalioth> TokenBad: you need to know what ubuntu you are running
[11:21] <thoreauputic> TokenBad: umm - your sources.list specifies where apt looks
[11:21] <TokenBad> # hoary-backports (x11): screensaver showing collective dream of sleeping computers [universe] 
[11:21] <TokenBad> 2.6.2-1~hoary1: amd64 i386 so that file should be on the hoary repositories right?
[11:21] <nalioth> TokenBad: open a terminal and type "lsb_release -a" . it will tell you what you have
[11:21] <ORiON2012> TokenBad: I should think so
[11:21] <thoreauputic> dooglus: I don't know - you need someone versed in the ways of kernel building
[11:22] <TokenBad> what is the url to that..cause when I check after doing update its not there
[11:22] <dooglus> thoreauputic: hmmm.  where might I find such a creature?
[11:22] <lucaas> LinuxJones: should i use kernel framebuffer device interface?
[11:22] <thoreauputic> dooglus: erm... dare I suggest #debian ?
[11:22] <coax> how do i edit whats in the applications menu in gnome... i can't go to the location preferences:/// in nautilus!
[11:22] <dooglus> according to lsb_release -a I have release 5.10.  I didn't think breezy was released yet.
[11:22] <apprentice> someone use vmware?
[11:23] <TokenBad> the url for the hoary-backports what is that or where would I find that?
[11:23] <Seveas> coax, use smeg...
[11:23] <thoreauputic> dooglus: of course any mention of Ubuntu is deprecated if you try that ;-)
[11:23] <dooglus> thoreauputic: I heard that way be dragons.
[11:23] <coax> apprentice, i did some time ago...
[11:23] <thoreauputic> dooglus: well, there be some clever dragons there
[11:23] <apprentice> oh well
[11:23] <fivetwentysix> can i get w32 codecs on amd64?
[11:23] <coax> Seveas, command not found!
[11:23] <dooglus> thoreauputic: I'll be sure to take some gold coins with me and an offering.
[11:23] <Gobbla> fivetwentysix: dont think so..
[11:23] <Seveas> coax, install it then
[11:23] <Seveas> !smeg
[11:23] <ubotu> hmm... smeg is a Simple Menu Editor for GNOME. Get it at http://www.realistanew.com/projects/smeg/ or from backports.
[11:24] <ORiON2012> dooglus: I hear they're fond of humans too
[11:24] <thoreauputic> dooglus: I suggest sacrificing a goat at the full moon before proceeding
[11:24] <dooglus> one last thing - is it safe to "apt-get remove" the kernel that you are currently running?
[11:25] <mkyb14_> anyone with knowledge of a "kernal panic - not syncing: fatal exception in interrupt"
[11:25] <thoreauputic> dooglus: never tried it - why would you want to do that?
[11:25] <mkyb14_> please help
[11:25] <dooglus> thoreauputic: curiosity
[11:25] <LinuxJones> lucaas, no
[11:26] <thoreauputic> dooglus: I assume apt/dpkg is clever enough to warn you if you are about to commit sepuku
[11:26] <mkyb14_> anyone?
[11:26] <zxsykco> What's the problem?
[11:26] <apokryphos> mkyb14_: time to change your pass 8)
[11:26] <mkyb14_> how
[11:27] <zxsykco> passwd
[11:27] <apokryphos> zxsykco: nope; I mean IRC
[11:27] <zxsykco> Oops.
[11:27] <dooglus> in breezy, the kernel is at version 2.6.12, but the "linux-kernel-headers" is at 2.6.11.  is that a bug I should report?
[11:27] <ORiON2012> apokryphos: are you up to no good?
[11:27] <mkyb14_> passwd <password>?
[11:28] <apokryphos> mkyb14_: for irc... /chanserv set password <password>
[11:28] <zxsykco> Are you registering your nick or changing your users passwd in ubuntu?
[11:28] <apokryphos> ORiON2012: always ;)
[11:28] <mkyb14_>  /chanserv set password mike14
[11:28] <mkyb14_> ha
[11:28] <mkyb14_> neg
[11:28] <ORiON2012> zxsykco: non regged users aren't aloud in #ubuntu
[11:28] <apokryphos> mkyb14_: and that's your old pass
[11:28] <ORiON2012> zxsykco: allowed*
[11:28] <apokryphos> ORiON2012: they are now
[11:29] <ORiON2012> apokryphos: oh
[11:29] <mkyb14_> eh
[11:29] <mkyb14_>  /chanserv set password mikeyb14
[11:29] <mkyb14_> that work
[11:29] <zxsykco> That's what I've heard but my friend insists he hasn't registered and he's never been redirected to unregged.
[11:29] <mkyb14_> i dunno
[11:29] <ORiON2012> lol
[11:29] <ORiON2012> that's hilarious
[11:29] <apokryphos> mkyb14_: /msg chanserv set password <password>    ..maybe?
[11:29] <zxsykco> I told him that that never worked for me, but he insists.
[11:30] <apokryphos> mkyb14_: and maybe you have to type it in your server window. What client have you got?
[11:30] <mkyb14_> password in <>'s
[11:30] <Seveas> zxsykco, this channel is not on +r all the time
[11:30] <{cYanide}> hi
[11:30] <thoreauputic> mkyb14_: /msg chanserv help set
[11:30] <Seveas> only during spambot showers
[11:30] <mkyb14_> firefox's chatzilla
[11:30] <zxsykco> Interesting.
[11:30] <Seveas> so what he claims may very well be true depenfing on when he tried to access the channel
[11:30] <zxsykco> How do you determine when a shower is occuring?
[11:30] <{cYanide}> ive noticed in ubuntu an opengl app i made to test with runs ALOT slower than in windows, im using a system with inbuilt intel graphics, anyone have any idea how i can improve perf upto windows speed?
[11:30] <oO[NOVA] Oo> anyone ever dealt with mounting samba shares to mounting points with spaces in them, when doing so in /etc/fstab ?
[11:31] <lucaas> LinuxJones: it worked now, thank you very much
[11:31] <Seveas> simple, the bots join and part quickly
[11:31] <lucaas> :)
[11:31] <zxsykco> Packet logging or something?
[11:31] <nalioth> mkyb14_: what client are you using?
[11:31] <zxsykco> I see.
[11:31] <mkyb14_> firefox's chatzilla
[11:31] <Seveas> avibAbx, is one for instance
[11:31] <fanskapet> hmm anyone succeded in compiling quake3 in hoary 64bit?
[11:31] <zxsykco> Yes.
[11:31] <TokenBad> I even tried apt-get install electricsheep
[11:31] <mike__> Help! The buttons on my bottom bar and everything other than the trash can has disappeared!
[11:31] <nalioth> mkyb14_: i suggest using another client, chatzilla doesnt have a lot of features (like chanserv password issuance)
[11:31] <TokenBad> it downloads then errors out
[11:31] <Seveas> you can recognize them bu nick/ident/ip, but not enough for bans to be effective....
[11:32] <thoreauputic> mike__: right click the panel, choose from the list
[11:32] <LinuxJones> lucaas, excellent :)
[11:32] <Jowi> hi all
[11:32] <apokryphos> Seveas: ever ventured into #gentoo? Their handling of it is a complete mess
[11:32] <zxsykco> Hmmn, interesting indeed.
[11:32] <mkyb14_> so what one then for XP
[11:32] <Seveas> apokryphos, gentoo is a mess, so i'm not surprised #gentoo is a mess too :)
[11:33] <fivetwentysix> if i use the cd/dvd creator to write to a dvd, i'll still be able to rewrite yea?
[11:33] <{cYanide}> if its a dvdrw
[11:33] <funkyHat> if it's a DVDRW
[11:33] <apokryphos> Seveas: they ban every bot they notice.. surprise surprise, that will only produce more traffic. If you're brave enough, /mode #gentoo +b
[11:33] <fivetwentysix> ok
[11:33] <zxsykco> I stay in #ubuntu #kubuntu # phlak #slackware #gentoo #flood #hardware.. Gentoo always seems to have the most users by far.
[11:33] <ORiON2012> fivetwentysix: assuming it's a rewritable
[11:33] <kemik> !dma
[11:33] <fivetwentysix> yeah its rw
[11:33] <TokenBad> anyone know how to fix the apt-get error when installing electricsheep?
[11:33] <mike__> ah! i see! i have my desktop and multiple screen items back!
[11:33] <apokryphos> zxsykco: it does; #debian comes next generally.
[11:34] <fivetwentysix> anyone know whats the difference between a DVD-RW and DVD+RW?
[11:34] <fivetwentysix> which is better?
[11:34] <ORiON2012> TokenBad: what's the error?
[11:34] <thoreauputic> zxsykco: of course - gentoo needs the most help to get it running ;)
[11:34] <zxsykco> I should stay on there as well...
[11:35] <TokenBad> ORiON2012, I pasted what it said on the paste site
[11:35] <david__> hy
[11:35] <mike__> tis back to how it was and i have learnt something about gnome on the way, thanks!
[11:35] <zxsykco> Yeppers.
[11:35] <Jowi> fivetwentysix: minor ones. DVD+ is to be preffered though. DVD- has got VR capabilities that are not used at all as far as i have seen. I always used + since more players seem to support it.
[11:35] <eric_> can someone help me starting tibia? it cant find libtk8.3.so even when i intakked libtk-img, tcl and tk packages
[11:36] <Kejk_PL> eric_: tibia clint for linux is VERY old
[11:36] <eric_> installed*
[11:36] <bluefoxicy> sudo /etc/init.d/dbus restart
[11:36] <Jowi> fivetwentysix: most players should support both formats though
[11:36] <eric_> i know
[11:36] <eric_> but i cant get either Wine to work
[11:36] <bluefoxicy> What is with this
[11:36] <fivetwentysix> i see
[11:36] <mirak> honestly, does anyone manage to build packages with apt-build ?
[11:36] <david_2k5> hy
[11:36] <Kejk_PL> eric_: use wine and windows version
[11:36] <fivetwentysix> but the  ps2 doesn't support DVD+RW
[11:36] <fivetwentysix> :-(
[11:36] <eric_> i cant get wine to work
[11:36] <bluefoxicy> "Notice:  A new version of HAL has been installed.  You should reboot to make the changes take effect"
[11:36] <bluefoxicy> what the crap
[11:36] <Seveas> tk8.3: usr/lib/libtk8.3.so.1
[11:36] <Seveas> tk8.3-dev: usr/lib/libtk8.3.so
[11:36] <mirak> lol
[11:37] <mike__> has anyone had a problem with usb memory sticks etc on hoary?
[11:37] <Seveas> ^-- eric_
[11:37] <TokenBad> ORiON2012, http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2383 thats the error msg
[11:37] <bluefoxicy> Seveas:  do i really need to reboot for hal to work
[11:37] <zxsykco> I think where tibia looks for libtk and where libtk reside now are different.
[11:37] <{cYanide}> ive noticed in ubuntu an opengl app i made to test with runs ALOT slower than in windows, im using a system with inbuilt intel graphics, anyone have any idea how i can improve perf upto windows speed?
[11:37] <ORiON2012> TokenBad: Can always try a force, but it might cause problems later when updating xscreensaver
[11:37] <Seveas> bluefoxicy, I suppose /etc/init.d/hal should do the trick too...
[11:38] <bluefoxicy> Seveas: dbus actually restarts hal
[11:38] <Kejk_PL> Seveas: he needs much more than tk/tcl, he need old libc
[11:38] <eric_> i need step-by-step installing and using tibia, tcl and tk or installing wine coz im too new to ubuntu
[11:38] <david_2k5> I have a problem with java "root@linux:/home/david/download/pakete/azureus# java -jar Azureus2305-B27.jar
[11:38] <david_2k5> Exception in thread "main" java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: org/apache/commons/cli/CommandLine
[11:38] <david_2k5> " can anybody help me??
[11:38] <bluefoxicy> Seveas:  but why do both dbus AND hal recommend a reboot as soon as possible?
[11:38] <Kejk_PL> eric_: what error do you et with wine?
[11:38] <zxsykco> Hmmn, yep.
[11:38] <Seveas> bluefoxicy, dunno
[11:38] <TokenBad> ORiON2012, how you use force?
[11:38] <eric_> it cant find config file and when i click create new confige file it get some sort of error and closes itself
[11:39] <mirak> does the package management and naming in ubuntu can be a problem for apt-build ?
[11:39] <mike__> whenever i connect my camera or usb memory it gets installed then after a seemingly random period it disappears from the system
[11:39] <eric_> and i cant get the package list updater to work
[11:39] <mloskot> Q: Is this possible to install vim-gnome along with vim-python and vim-tcl ?
[11:39] <mike__> sometimes it will reappear again, sometimes not
[11:39] <bluefoxicy> Seveas:  Reducing the number of recommended reboots would be nice.  :P
[11:40] <nalioth> mloskot: sure
[11:40] <eric_> it asks password, but when i put it, it does nothing
[11:40] <bluefoxicy> Seveas:  The only real ones I've seen are rebooting for a new kernel, which can be avoided in many cases too.
[11:40] <mloskot> nalioth: How? Synaptic allows me to check only one vim-* package
[11:40] <dooglus> every time I boot, I see a message telling me that my MAC address is NULL in line 2 and that I should "correct or remove" that line.  Any idea how to fix this?
[11:40] <warlock666> anyone got an Airlink 101 wireless G card working?
[11:40] <dooglus> and which file's "line 2" is it talking about?
[11:41] <bluefoxicy> mmm
[11:41] <bluefoxicy> actually
[11:41] <bluefoxicy> that'd be neat
[11:41] <mloskot> nalioth: I check vim-gnome, then check vim-python and then vim-gnome gets unchecked. Is that correct behaviour?
[11:41] <nalioth> mloskot: i wonder why you can have two but not 3
[11:41] <mloskot> without any message.
[11:41] <Kejk_PL> eric_: hmm, remove .wine directory and use terminal
[11:41] <mloskot> nalioth: I can not get even 2, only 1
[11:41] <mloskot> of them
[11:42] <nalioth> mloskot: it's the same vim underneath. pick a display option and run with it
[11:42] <umberleigh> hi, how do i free up my soundcard.. i'm using artsd and alsa, and when  launching audacity it gives the error message 'there was an error initalizing the audio i/o layer' due to my soundcard being occupied by another process
[11:42] <Kejk_PL> eric_: U do not need to upgrade - tibia works well on old wine too
[11:42] <eric_> i
[11:42] <eric_> canbt
[11:42] <eric_> cant*
[11:42] <bluefoxicy> You could use an atomic path and halt all other SMP operations, as well as disable preempt during the atomic path. . . . which would exchange an existing kernel symbol with a replacement
[11:42] <eric_> run wine!
[11:42] <TokenBad> how do you use force with apt-get?
[11:42] <mloskot> nalioth: pick a display option? Sorry, any details? ;-)
[11:42] <robotgeek> mloskot: vim python is meant for scripting vim in python, any version of vim will indent/hilight python in the same way
[11:42] <bluefoxicy> minor fixes (security and bug fixes) would be safe to dothis with, and the change would basically be loading a module
[11:42] <yhann> hi guys, please I need help to how to test my modem?
[11:43] <Almindor>   wesnoth: Depends: ttf-dejavu but it is not installable
[11:43] <Almindor>  :(
[11:43] <mloskot> robotgeek: I think I see the point.
[11:43] <Almindor> anyone knows if this'll get fixed anytime soon?
[11:43] <{cYanide}> http://downloadfinder.intel.com/scripts-df-external/filter_results.aspx?strTypes=all&ProductID=1764&OSFullName=Linux*&lang=eng&strOSs=39&submit=Go%21  will these work in ubuntu?
[11:43] <nalioth> mloskot: -gnome, -python and -gtk are just wrappers
[11:43] <mloskot> robotgeek: vim-python is not a version dedicated for Python programmers but those who want to extend VIM in Python, right?
[11:43] <eric_> cant run: Tibiawish - Wine - Tk/cl packages - Package list updater
[11:43] <bluefoxicy> fabbione:  ever hot-patched sys_fork() in a running kernel without a reboot?  :)
[11:43] <rejden> re
[11:43] <Kejk_PL> eric_: wine is a console application, so U wont see anything if yu run it from menu
[11:44] <eric_> i know
[11:44] <robotgeek> mloskot: exactly
[11:44] <lampshade> Anyone here use intel built in wireless with Ubuntu?  It work out ok?  I noticed that the drivers for it are sourceforge projects
[11:44] <Kejk_PL> eric_: I can;t help U - simple, wine doesn;t work is not enought
[11:44] <eric_> but when i put "wine tibia75.exe" where tibia7.5 fow windows is, it says that wine command not found
[11:44] <mloskot> robotgeek and nalioth: Thanks a lot!
[11:45] <robotgeek> mloskot: np
[11:45] <david_2k5> can anybody help me?? root@linux:/home/david/download/pakete/azureus# java -jar Azureus2305-B27.jar
[11:45] <david_2k5> Exception in thread "main" java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: org/apache/commons/cli/CommandLine
[11:45] <umberleigh> Jowi: ps aux | grep esd gives nothing
[11:45] <eric_> like wine doesnt exists
[11:45] <mloskot> cya
[11:45] <eric_> and i cant get acess to hda1 when mounted
[11:45] <umberleigh> Jowi: sorry i can't msg you... i'm getting a 505 error
[11:45] <TokenBad> can someone tell me the apt-get command to use with force-yes
[11:45] <Kejk_PL> eric_: ph! so install it :)
[11:45] <Jowi> umberleigh: yeah, accepting regged users only
[11:46] <TokenBad> how that is typed out
[11:46] <Kejk_PL> eric_: sudo apt-get install wine
[11:46] <umberleigh> Jowi: k
[11:46] <eric_> it says i dont have aithorization to get there and close folder explorer
[11:46] <thoreauputic> umberleigh: try  killall artsd && audacity
[11:46] <Phuzion> Is SSH access enabled by default in Ubuntu?
[11:46] <Kejk_PL> eric_: but forstly U have to add Univerce repository
[11:46] <eric_> how
[11:46] <Jowi> umberleigh: try to... ehhh, thoreauputic was quicker
[11:46] <eric_> im newbie to linux OSes
[11:47] <eric_> i just know very simple sudos
[11:47] <eric_> like apt-get ifconfig, etc...
[11:47] <typo> I've just dist-upgrade'd to breezy. Went smooth. I think this is the first time a dist-upgrade hasn't crashed on me a few times.
[11:47] <thoreauputic> umberleigh: also note that you can configure artsd to stop after, say, 5 seconds of inactivity (in kcontrol for instance)
[11:47] <Phuzion> Does anyone know if SSH access enabled by default in Ubuntu?
[11:47] <typo> rebooting to try it out now
[11:47] <david_2k5> breezy is stable
[11:47] <Kejk_PL> eric_: do you have Synaptic>?
[11:48] <david_2k5> fine to work
[11:48] <Seveas> Phuzion, by default there is no service installed, not even ssh
[11:48] <drelle_work> can the live cd be used to install?
[11:48] <eric_> sure
[11:48] <umberleigh> thoreauputic: cheers, that's done the trick
[11:48] <nalioth> drelle_work: nope
[11:48] <thoreauputic> Phuzion: if you need to ssh in to ubuntu, insatll openssh-server
[11:48] <Seveas> drelle_work, not easily
[11:48] <eric_> i use 5.04 hoary hedgehog
[11:48] <Kejk_PL> in Synaptic U can add repositories
[11:48] <Seveas> only if you know debootstrap and friends intimately :)
[11:48] <drelle_work> ill just download the regular... bummer
[11:48] <Phuzion> thoreauputic, will apt-get do that for me?
[11:48] <lampshade> drelle_work:  no, unless it is the cool combination livecd and install cd  (That I think is really a DVD)
[11:48] <thoreauputic> umberleigh: artsd was hogging your sound card
[11:48] <TokenBad> I did apt-get install --force-yes electricsheep and it still errors out
[11:48] <coax> is there a good reason why i can't delete programs from the menu uning smeg
[11:48] <Kejk_PL> eric_: I'll show you - w8 a minute, I'l pasce URL
[11:48] <thoreauputic> Phuzion: sure - sudo apt-get install openssh-server
[11:49] <lampshade> Phuzion:  You can install them pretty easily with apt-get
[11:49] <lampshade> and by pretty easily I mean super easy
[11:49] <umberleigh> thoreauputic: i figured, though it normally gives up the card the second time i try running audacity
[11:49] <Phuzion> Thanks guys, I'll be back in a sec
[11:49] <umberleigh> thoreauputic: shall check the timeout setting now
[11:49] <nybble> okii
[11:49] <thoreauputic> umberleigh: yes, it is good to have it set for a short timeout, I found
[11:50] <piero> hi. do you know how to configure a usb modem?
[11:50] <TokenBad> can anyone help me figure out how to fix this please?
[11:50] <nico8481> hi
[11:51] <Kejk_PL> eric_: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UniversePackages?highlight=%28synaptic%29%7C%28universe%29
[11:51] <umberleigh> thoreauputic: egads. it was set to 60secs. thanks for your help
[11:51] <Kejk_PL> eric_: use sometimes google :)
[11:51] <eric_> i cant find nothing on goole -.-
[11:51] <thoreauputic> umberleigh: no worries :) The fruit of bitter experience ;-)
[11:52] <jdermer> wuts a good video player for linux ?
[11:52] <mkyb14> ok back to my previous question.  "<0>Kernal panic - not syncing: Fatal exception in interrupt"  this only happens when i shutdown and then boot up.  ???
[11:52] <david_2k5> vlc
[11:52] <jdermer> is it in apt ?
[11:52] <nalioth> jdermer: yes
[11:52] <thoreauputic> jdermer: of course
[11:52] <umberleigh> whilst were on the subject, is there any way to route audacity through artsd, or would it significantly hamper the program's performance
[11:52] <lampshade> vlc is hot
[11:52] <batoms> i've got a funny bug using linux-image-2.6.12-8.13
[11:52] <david_2k5> how can i install kmdr script?
[11:52] <batoms> it causes X to not start and dumps me to a login prompt where i can login to any account w/o a passwd
[11:52] <Kejk_PL> eric_: in the same way add "restricted" and "multiverse"
[11:52] <nalioth> jdermer: /msg ubotu info vlc
[11:53] <Kejk_PL> eric_: then do update sources and install wine
[11:53] <mkyb14> anyone?
[11:53] <jdermer> that didnt do anything
[11:53] <coax> jdermer, mplayer is quite good!
[11:53] <pesco> Any user of proofgeneral/isabelle here, by any chance?
[11:53] <nalioth> jdermer: it didnt get you a msg from ubotu?
[11:54] <Kejk_PL> eric_: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SynapticHowto
[11:54] <mkyb14> ok back to my previous question.  "<0>Kernal panic - not syncing: Fatal exception in interrupt"  this only happens when i shutdown and then boot up.  ???
[11:54] <mkyb14> anyone
[11:54] <Kejk_PL> eric_: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[11:54] <mkyb14> know why
[11:54] <thoreauputic> umberleigh: I haven't tried this, but see if  artsdsp audacity  works
[11:54] <Seveas> mkyb14, sounds like you found a big. Collect more info and file it
[11:54] <jdermer> nalioth, nope
[11:55] <thoreauputic> umberleigh: heh -  just ried it and got a segfault :|
[11:55] <thoreauputic> umberleigh: looks like that won't work...
[11:55] <mkyb14> how?
[11:55] <mkyb14> ther's like 20-30ln's of code with that kernal panic at the bottom
[11:55] <up2zion22> cant print. epson driver is not a problem
[11:55] <umberleigh> thoreauputic: okay.
[11:56] <up2zion22> connection is a problem too
[11:56] <up2zion22> what could be wrong
[11:56] <mkyb14> Seveas...what's a "big" and how do i file it, or what ever that is
[11:56] <Phuzion> Is there a package with Apache, MySQL, and PHP for apt-get?
[11:56] <mkyb14> LAMP
[11:57] <Phuzion> No.
[11:57] <Phuzion> Insecure.
[11:57] <mkyb14> sudo apt-get lamp
[11:57] <mkyb14> or lighttpd
[11:57] <nalioth> jdermer: i tried /msg ubotu info vlc and uboto told me where to get it
[11:57] <Kejk_PL> eric_: I have to go - it is quite late here in Poland :)
[11:57] <Kejk_PL> bye
[11:57] <mkyb14> Seveas...what's a "big" and how do i file it, or what ever that is
[11:58] <thoreauputic> mkyb14: I think that was a typo for "bug" ;-)
[11:58] <HerdsmanMarengo> anyone know where ubunutu's startup directory is located?
[11:58] <dooglus> HerdsmanMarengo: what do you want to do?
[11:58] <mkyb14> so how do i get info on this? so that it won't happen again when i shutdown and reboot
[11:58] <XFreeMan> i installed slackware on my laptop, the ps/2 touchpad is working but the usb mouse isn't, how can i make it work
[11:58] <FatDarrel> XFreeMan, you need a set of lines in your xconfig
[11:58] <dooglus> XFreeMan: this is #ubuntu
[11:58] <Jowi> XFreeMan: check in #slackware maybe
[11:58] <HerdsmanMarengo> dooglus:  add a couple of lines so it boots an app on startup
[11:59] <dooglus> HerdsmanMarengo: when you log in, or when the system boots?
[11:59] <oO[NOVA] Oo> i really am starting to hate smbmount. now it nags about 'only root can do that'
[11:59] <HerdsmanMarengo> when the system boots
[11:59] <thoreauputic> mkyb14: if it is a bug as Seveas says, you report it on bugzilla and hope it gets fixed
[11:59] <Seveas> oO[NOVA] Oo, sudo smbmount
[11:59] <mkyb14> ok
[11:59] <oO[NOVA] Oo> Seveas: i have a line added in /etc/fstab/ and i don't think i can do a sudo in there. i have a share mounted and i can see it when i go to places > computer. but when i doubleclick it.. i get that message.
[11:59] <thoreauputic> mkyb14: bugzilla URL is in the /topic
[12:00] <FatDarrel> XFreeMan, you basically need to have two pointers. One is the ps2 /dev/ps2 and the other /dev/usb/mouse or something