[12:04] which he has taught me since i first met him were the 5 most important words in computing [12:04] "did you back it up?" [12:04] hey, its ltsp :) you still can access the chroot [12:04] dont worry... [12:05] so what do we do? [12:05] i'm still logged in [12:05] in the client ? [12:05] yes === bdoin [n=coudoin@bla31-1-82-228-70-121.fbx.proxad.net] has left #edubuntu ["Client] [12:05] a different client [12:05] ah, ok... [12:05] if i log out, i wont' be able to log in again [12:06] so what did you do exactly ? [12:06] flint here. I put the gzip stuff in the directory as per the instrux [12:06] ok [12:07] and installed python-gnome2 in the chroot environment ? [12:07] oh, the instructions are wrong i see... [12:07] do: [12:07] sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386/ [12:07] sudo apt-get update [12:08] sudo apt-get install python-gnome2 [12:08] thats should solve it [12:09] oh got it... [12:10] instructions fixed for next time, sorry... [12:12] sudo: unable to lookup edubuntu via gethostbyname() [12:12] remember this bug? [12:14] its no bug [12:14] its another error in my instructions, silly me... you are root after the chroot [12:15] so just drop the sudo (sorry, its late here) [12:18] and the /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/apt/sources.list contains only the cd [12:18] so i needed copy over the other one [12:18] the new login rocks! [12:18] Sauron is dead! [12:18] log live edubuntu! [12:19] great [12:20] nice touch ollie [12:20] it might be taht the pic is a bit moved, i didnt fix that yet and mdz wants me to work on the old ldm [12:20] so that will have to wait... but its *something* you can use that not worse than the other one :) [12:21] s/that not/taht is not/ [12:21] and it took me only a short weekend to write :) [12:23] oh, and there are themes, look at them if you want your own ... [12:24] where do I find the themes ollie? [12:24] (just set the link in /usr/share/ldm/themes to your default theme [12:24] ) [12:25] (in the chroot that is) [12:25] he had so much fun breaking it the first time, he wants to try again ;-) [12:25] god help me! (fllint :^) [12:25] a theme is a color file for the colors, a background image and two button icons [12:25] lol [12:27] ollie jeff is gone so I am gone too! Thanks again!!!!! we meet tomorrow morning! [12:27] yup, bye === nybble [n=nybble@d36-29-58.home1.cgocable.net] has joined #edubuntu === nybble [n=nybble@d36-29-58.home1.cgocable.net] has joined #edubuntu === nybble [n=nybble@d36-29-58.home1.cgocable.net] has joined #edubuntu === fersfeir [n=fernando@201.250.13.118] has joined #edubuntu === gokr [n=gk@62.181.231.43] has joined #edubuntu === Mosheee [n=bundeska@217-162-74-254.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #edubuntu [01:15] RAHALF... === macgyver2 [n=eric@unaffiliated/macgyver2] has joined #edubuntu [01:45] I am the biggest internet-Troll ever! 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[08:48] hi magnon [08:48] magnon: well tuxlabs have been pretty separate from edubuntu [08:49] in that tuxlabs started way before edubuntu was even a twinkle in Mark's eye ;) [08:49] I would need to ask the tuxlabs guys about h/w vendors [08:49] afaik they have received donation of old and used equipment from compnaies etc around the world [08:50] as far as edubuntu goes we have had one or 2 enquiries, but nothing solid yet... [08:50] there are ppl wanting to invest in CSR programs, and see edubuntu as a way to deliver their donations in a useable format :) [08:51] magnon: does that answer your question? [08:54] somewhat :) [09:01] sorry to be a bit vauge [09:01] tackle hughvoltage when he is around wrt tuxlab specifics... [09:03] well, it shouldn't be too hard to just call someone and find out what they can provide [09:03] I mean, who doesn't want their company logo on thousands of clients all over the country (give or take a few thousand :P) [09:05] yes well we still need to release and prove ourselves... [09:06] everybody loves the idea of edubuntu but until they see that it works, and is supportable, it's not on 1000's of clients [09:06] which is why I said give or take a few thousand [09:06] in SA ppl are also fairly wary of good simaritans who swoop in and donate something and disappear and it quickly becomes a white elephant [09:07] as in "who knows" [09:07] so support is a big factor [09:07] hey, that's what I live for :P [09:07] also a big part of the cost (and effort) of implementing labs here is the physical security [09:08] as well as other constraints like electricity, phone line, internet connection etc [09:08] h [09:08] these thinsg are a given in the developed world [09:08] yeah* [09:08] you'd be surprised how often it isn't... [09:08] oic [09:08] you can't take a fast net connection or electricity for granted [09:08] physical security is easier, of course [09:09] so it's far more complex than just having a piece of hardware and some software [09:09] then the other big problem, which ppl complain about, is lack of adequate training [09:09] but outside Oslo, electricity is unstable and phone lines downright suck :P [09:10] yup [09:10] so the cool equipment in the lab, get pushed to the side and 'out of the way', because no one knows what to do with it. [09:10] that's what we're working on too [09:10] I found the best way to create interest [09:10] Applets :) [09:10] heh [09:10] seriously. Teachers love applets [09:11] yes the gimmicky things work well, I find most ppl learn PC literacy easilly once they are comforatble with one thing, whether is e-mail, a game, browsing etc. Once the fear is gone they are more open to try things and experiment a bit [09:11] not that it solves the problem of adequate knowledge about computing, but it makes them open [09:11] yeah [09:12] also they need to find someting that interests them [09:12] there's always an applet ;) [09:12] at a previous company I worked for users would get their PC and be terrified [09:13] most were 40 somthing females never touched a PC before [09:13] hm [09:13] with in a week they have all changed the fonts, colours, screen saver, wall paper etc... [09:13] they'd need to be at least 50something to never have used a pc before [09:13] here [09:13] looked hideous, but it was THEIRS and they felt they knew it [09:13] hehe [09:13] was a property company [09:14] wish I could have some people who never used a pc before, but were open minded [09:14] previous house wives... [09:14] my step dad was old [09:14] he died earlier this year at 84 [09:14] and he would try just about anything [09:14] sorry to hear that [09:15] I helped him to increase his font sizes about 2 weeks before he died, because he was battling to read the screen easily [09:16] he e-mailed, and practised writing little programs, created spreadsheets and docs etc, it was amazing [09:16] wow [09:16] he also tuaght me how to fix my car ;) [09:17] not that I would bother to do much anymore, but at least I know enough now to know when the mechanic is ripping me off ;) [09:18] old people are such an underused resource. [09:19] well the ubuntu devel guys have an expression 'could my granny do it' [09:19] grannies are way different though [09:19] true [09:19] but that's the acid test [09:19] esp with pcs [09:19] me and my friend went to this pub, pretty brown place [09:20] if your granny could do it it is technically EASY [09:20] met some guy, old sailor who had been in cosmetics (!) [09:20] true [09:20] had a long chat with him, four hours went by and we didn [09:20] 't notice - however, he told us about his business, we discussed politics, he told sailor stories, and I told him about wikipedia, online gaming and open source [09:21] cool [09:21] Sid was like that [09:21] he was in the war [09:21] most open minded guy I ever met, guess he was sixty-something [09:21] (lived through both, but fought in #2) [09:21] all the way to CD, cell phones, programmming his pc and playing games (doom) etc! [09:21] hehe [09:22] we met another guy at the same place though, he asked about my friends t-shirt [09:22] it has the norwegian flag, uncolored, and it says "paint with your own colors", anti racist movement shirt [09:23] he's like "uhm, isn't that supposed to be red white and blue?" [09:23] my mate says "hey, it can be whatever you want!" and he mumbles "bah, youth are so naive..." and wanders off [09:23] that's what I meant with grannies are different [09:24] some grannies just don't WANT to send the email, or play Doom :P [09:24] yes === JaneW 's MIL is very closed minded [09:24] irritates me a lot [09:24] and in her mind anything she doesn;t agree with is deemed rubbish [09:25] I get that a lot [09:25] i.e. most things [09:25] be it politics or computers === magnon calls Sun [09:26] want a price quote on the new Fire servers :) [09:33] hahaha. I love local sales offices. [09:33] "Hey, I wondered if the local pricing for the new Fire servers are ready, and when it is due to relase here?" [09:33] "Sorry, I haven't heard of those" [09:37] and the resellers are full of crap [09:37] "The company values and goals are efficiency, X-factor, customer focus, innovation, team orientation and execution" [09:37] you were doing what, again? :P [09:53] heh === amadeus [n=amadeus@84-73-3-137.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #edubuntu === yvesC [n=yves@81.56.207.189] has joined #edubuntu === JaneW [n=JaneW@wbs-146-149-243.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #edubuntu === pere_gone is now known as pere === mwest [n=mwest@tsl.uct.ac.za] has joined #edubuntu === shaga [n=sha@rikos.org] has joined #edubuntu [11:56] oh, I accidentally disconnect myself from freenode network [11:56] gdm/Xorg just said kosh after dist-upgrade and reboot :D [11:57] shaga, sounds like http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=12915 [12:00] I hate browsing with elinks without framebuffer-resolutions, I'll look into it once this situation cools down a bit here at work [12:01] look if the mousedev modules s loaded === kwak [n=kwak@210.1.27.242] has joined #edubuntu [12:17] it's not, and amixer also gives some serious errors about missing files while shutting down.. [12:26] try to run: sudo udevstart, that should give you the devices back, then you can run sudo /etc/init.d/gdm start to have a working X again [12:28] it works, thanks for the help. :) === apokryphos [n=apokryph@host-87-74-2-161.bulldogdsl.com] has joined #edubuntu [12:31] :) === jinty [n=jinty@205.134.224.215] has joined #edubuntu [01:26] **Reminder** update meeting in 35 mins in #ubuntu-meeting [01:33] does anyone know if Sun Ray clients have ever been used against LTSP? === mark__ [n=mark@64.241.37.140] has joined #edubuntu [01:35] Hello edubuntu folk ... I'm having a little difficulty setting up edubuntu - is anyone available to chat a little? [01:37] ask away [01:37] hey - thanks :) [01:38] I'm not a geek with ubuntu at all but I'm watching ;) [01:38] Here's my setup - A server with 2 nics (1 internal 1 pci) - I have ltsp running with kubuntu - but it's been misbehaving [01:38] so I decided to try edubuntu - [01:39] install went ok - but I was a little confused that it asked for a static ip for the nic [01:39] that's my first question - can I force dhcp for that nic - since I have 2 [01:39] 1 nic for internet - 1 nic for ltsp [01:39] mark__, ltsp needs a static ip [01:39] since you run a dhcp server on it [01:40] yeah - my 2nd nic takes care of that - but the install is forcing eth0 to be static [01:40] cat you just change the cables ? [01:40] *cant [01:40] :) -- I prefer not to ... but I suppose that is an option ... [01:40] ok - so we'll switch the cables ... question 2 ... [01:41] (i.e. does it matter which one you use for ltsp ? ) [01:41] not really [01:41] Once it's all installed / running - I cannot, for the life of me, get the dhcp server to run [01:42] I copy over my dhcpd.conf and re-assign the address of the interface but it complains of no 'subnet declaration' [01:42] mark__, there is a bug in the ltsp setup that i hopefully have solved by the beginning of next week... if you accept the defaults everything will work fine [01:42] argh, dot do that [01:42] ah ... accept the defaults [01:42] ltsp brings its own dhcp.conf [01:42] oh - don't copy over the file :) [01:42] gotcha .. [01:43] thats the one that will be generated automatically by determining the static ip in the future [01:43] ogra - is edubuntu cool with setting up 2 nics? [01:43] I prefer to keep the internet traffic primarily on 1 and ltsp on the other - but it seems edubuntu only anticipates 1 nic? [01:44] its not prepared for 2 nics in this release, but its quite easy to set up the second post install [01:44] so - if I have 2 I just have to figure that eth0 will be ltsp/dhcp3-server and eth1 I can configure as my internet [01:44] yup [01:45] hrm ... I see -- so, let me recap for myself ... [01:45] just do a chicken install (hitting enter all the time)and configure your eth1 post install [01:45] **Reminder** update meeting in 15 mins in #ubuntu-meeting [01:45] that should give you a working environment immediately [01:45] hm -- that's pretty funny .. never heard 'chicken-install' before... [01:46] ;) [01:46] put some seeds on the enter key and put a chicken in front of your kbd ;) [01:46] ok - I guess the only thing I have to fill in is the ip address for the static nick (and buy a chicken...) [01:46] yup [01:46] mark__: preferably unfrozen! [01:46] :) [01:47] we consider if we ship chickens in future bxed releases ;) [01:47] the frozen ones can be so non-cooperative ... [01:47] and seeds indeed in a extra box ;) [01:47] send peeps -- then people are like 'oooh, they're so cute' - and then they won't mind when the chicken is pooping all over the house later... [01:48] :D [01:48] Content filtering -- are there any instructions on using squidguard (I think that's what the site lists) [01:49] I currently use Dansguardian with KDE and lock-down everything with the kioskadmin tool - but I like Gnome too much ... [01:49] except - one smart child and they've reset their proxy info ... [01:50] a good content filtering solution didnt make it into this release, just install squidguard... there are some notes i have to copy over from the ubuntu wiki [01:50] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ContentFiltering [01:50] does squidguard do system - wide filtering? [01:50] ^^ [01:50] oh - cool -- thanks [01:50] all http traffic... if you set it up as transparent proxy [01:51] we'll have a gui and metapackage in the next release with a easy configuration [01:51] ooo, gui ... gui's make me happy ... [01:52] if you want additional firewalling, i'd suggest firestarter for now its not good, but the best we have currently [01:52] I'm not too worried about firewalling -- I'm double nat'd and I turn the machine off after our after-school program [01:53] ok [01:53] with squid-guard ... does the install come with transparent proxy already set - or do I need to tinker (scanning the wiki now ...) [01:53] we have a ongoing firewalling bounty but that didnt make this release [01:53] its described in the wiki [01:54] shucks ... [01:54] you'll need to set up a blacklist manually, get it from squidguard.org.... [01:54] to transparently proxy - I need those IPTables rules? [01:54] yup [01:54] that's cool ... [01:54] ok - and that's where the gui will come in in the future - to set iptables rules and the like... [01:54] I have disabled router-based nat/firewall and all that, I'm behind active connection. are there much leaks if I use software firewall? [01:55] mark__, yup [01:55] I haven't even thought about security, only good p2p connections :p [01:55] connectivity, easily.. [01:55] you have a "real" ip on the server ? [01:56] (an external one assigned by your ISP ?) [01:56] I have real ip on my computer, I don't have any other computers(servers) connected just yet.. [01:56] Thanks ogra ... [01:57] edubuntu comes with a good bunch of server software preinstalled, this will be accessible from the internet, i'd strongly suggest to enable NAT on your router again... [01:58] **Reminder** update meeting in 3 mins in #ubuntu-meeting [01:58] ... if you want p2p capability your router should offer a method to forward just the ports you need for p2p [01:58] ogra - he could serve out ltsp to the world though ... that would be friendly :) [01:58] lol [01:58] i doubt booting would work (never tried it though) [01:58] okay, will do, thanks.. I've been thinking about it for some days now as I could use even udp.. :) time for a cig, damn I've worked hard for today.. === ogra quickly makes some fresh coffee for the meeting [01:59] is this a private meeting or can public schmoes like me 'listen' in? [02:02] anyone is welcome [02:03] fun ... If I don't need to pack up right away I'll be over ... (I'm in a Panera ... I feel compelled to buy something now since I'm mooching free wifi) === rickfitz [n=chatzill@82.152.83.141] has joined #edubuntu === mpt [n=mpt@200-171-140-32.dsl.telesp.net.br] has joined #edubuntu === mark__ [n=mark@64.241.37.140] has left #edubuntu ["Leaving"] === jsgotangco [n=jsg@info12-76.info.com.ph] has joined #edubuntu [02:31] JaneW: busy with the wiki eh [02:33] jsgotangco, meeting ;) [02:33] gaahhh === guim [n=glederer@193.190.183.237] has joined #edubuntu === Grant_ [n=orbman@85-210-24-65.dsl.pipex.com] has joined #edubuntu === Yagisan [n=jamie@220-244-253-135-nsw-pppoe.tpgi.com.au] has joined #edubuntu [03:26] ogra: If I install edbuntu amd64 on my server, do I need to do anything special for my i386 clients to set them up ? [03:27] ltsp currently has no multiarch feature.... you'd have to do a i386 install on the server too... [03:27] i'm not sure if mdz planned to add this before release... [03:27] really [03:27] damm [03:27] it will be there eventually, but needs some tweakage in the install scripts... [03:28] and i'm not sure if we will see it before release [03:28] ok [03:29] I'll grab the i386 iso to test. Whats quicker torrent or http ? [03:29] i'm not even sure how many people grab the torrent yet, but i guess there are not many so the speed might be the same... [03:30] are there problems with the speed? [03:30] I might start seed-help [03:30] I'll grab the torrent then === guim [n=glederer@193.190.183.237] has joined #edubuntu [03:31] shaga, i didnt test the torrent yet ... [03:31] I'll see how it runs [03:31] if you do, reeport errors ere, i'll care for it === guim is now known as bllllaaa === bllllaaa is now known as guim [03:33] ok - the last time I did a ltsp install was back with ltsp 3. Is there anything I should look out for ? [03:33] Yagisan, http://edubuntu.org/EdubuntuTesting :) [03:34] I'm only getting 2-3kb/s [03:34] I get 809 bytes on torrent :( [03:34] but it seems that 6 are seedonly, and no other downloads [03:34] if you follow that and leave the defaults as is during install (you can change them post install), it should work out of the box [03:34] quite strange [03:34] oh, there are 9 downloading as it seems [03:34] ogra: no more dhcp config? === guim [n=glederer@193.190.183.237] has joined #edubuntu [03:34] thats what i suspected, not enough users for the torrent [03:34] I have port forwarding set up, and don't use 6881 [03:34] :( [03:34] I'll help with the seeding [03:35] I only tested to download to different folder [03:35] jsgotangco, not completely, but it works with the defaults... [03:35] ogra: please fill up the release notes as it progresses at your free time =) [03:35] jsgotangco, i still need to write the dynamically generation of the dhcp.conf [03:35] there's not much technical details i can put [03:35] i'll do [03:35] since you're the one who's most involved with development [03:36] I've a slightly technical question [03:36] lol [03:36] jsgotangco, most involved is funny... [03:36] opengl - is it render client side or server side ? [03:36] edubuntu is a one man show wrt development [03:36] client side indeed === sivang [n=sivang@box79162.elkhouse.de] has joined #edubuntu [03:36] hi all [03:36] but the datsa still needs to go through the net [03:37] I am downloading the preview right now, as per Jane's email for requesting tester [03:37] s [03:37] however, BitTorrent is SO SLOW... [03:37] sivang, rather take the daily [03:37] there were some improvements... [03:37] so the geforce 4 in my thin client will do all the opengl work ? [03:37] yes [03:37] bah, just leech iso :) [03:38] Yagisan, yup... the Xserver runs locally on the client, everything else comes form the server [03:38] heh - I'm upping the torrent at 32k, and getting 4k down [03:38] I'm seeding it 30kB/s and it's still going up [03:39] thanks ogra. It helps to test my deng if it has client side opengl [03:39] :) [03:39] time to some test my first ebay pentium 2 [03:39] ogra: ok, now downloading the daily :) [03:39] s/some/smoke/ [03:39] magnon: leeching the iso as you suggested [03:40] I haven't tested much opengl in edubuntu yet with my gf6600gt pci/e [03:40] finally 81k [03:40] we have etherboot ? [03:41] none of my net cards are pxe [03:42] sivang: it can be excused for testing imo ;) [03:42] Yagisan, ouch... [03:42] Yagisan, we have etherboot, but nobody has tested it at all yet [03:42] magnon: k === Yagisan will test it [03:42] reatlek 8139, amd pcnet32 thanks :) [03:42] damm can't type today [03:50] yes - it passed the smoke test :) [03:52] http://edubuntu.org/EdubuntuTesting updated with the latest instructions :) [03:53] thanks [03:53] my wife will get an interesting thin client - P2 233 64MB + Geforce 4MX 440 64MB [03:53] I love spare parts [03:54] sounds good for a thin client [03:55] I'm planning to use it for my business [03:55] I have one overpowered box [03:55] and several "relics" [03:55] hehehe [03:56] perfect [03:56] I'm still chuckling over the poor Sun lady [03:56] "Sun... fire? servers? uhm..." [03:57] 64bit kernel should be fine on i386 (for the server) ? [03:58] don't want to lose my 64bit chroots for testing [03:58] hmm, unlikely, but try it... [03:59] the libc and other stuff at least needs to be 64bit too... i doubt it will work mixed up [03:59] really ? [03:59] yup [03:59] I thought it would be fine with i386 support in kernel [03:59] thats how I test deng [03:59] else we wouldnt have probs with things ike flash/firefox on amd64 [04:00] you could just run the 32bit version... === Yagisan thinks flash is a parasite on the web [04:00] but running 32bit ff in a 64bit system is a PITA... [04:01] and requires a lot of manual work [04:01] I was just interested in a 64bit kernel [04:01] I can change userland to 32bit [04:01] as i said, try it, but i doubt it will work [04:01] will give it a go soon [04:02] just need to get a keyboard + monitor for the 1s client [04:03] ogra: Flash isn't working in 64bit environments? [04:03] magnon, macromedia doesnt offer t [04:03] it [04:04] personally - I don't miss flash. The web has less ads without it [04:04] Doh [04:05] norway does some (lots ? ) of its school tests in flash [04:05] politically, those school tests can go hang themselves [04:05] and all [04:05] shoot any supporters etc. [04:05] anything more contra-educative... sigh [04:05] yes, but its a decision blocker for lnux i think... [04:05] linux even [04:06] Flash should be a decision blocker for Flash [04:06] heh [04:06] there's no a11y, and it's a pain to support [04:06] but again, bureaucrats aren't good at these things anyway [04:07] most teachers who raise concern about flash would probably be happy if I said it made them unable to take those national tests :P [04:08] no issues with nvidia or ati drivers on clients ? [04:09] my guess is that those tests will disappear now that we got a new govt [04:09] Yagisan: I would think that they work fine [04:10] hmm, there may besome out of sync prob with the restricted drivers... its a normal problem in our development releases... [04:10] ok. I'd just like to check as I haven't seen any notes [04:11] why nfs ? [04:13] because its common ? [04:14] we already have a complete new shiny ltsp that doesnt use X exports... [04:14] i want to try to switch to a cluster filesstem for dapper... until the nfs is stable and proven to be good [04:14] s/until the/until then/ [04:15] ok - nfs 2 ? 3 ? [04:15] 3 [04:15] the default in the current kernel [04:15] (I ask, because I have to start analysing the security implications of these choices) [04:15] ok - 2 [04:16] oh [04:16]