[12:03] means you need to rebuild gwenview and dikikam then [12:05] yeap and then remove c2 when backporting to hoary ;) And main is frozen. So as far as I understand a libkipi -> libkipi0c2 transistion + rebuild of depends is too late in the game for breezy too. right? [12:08] allee: I'm not following. what's the problem here? [12:09] hm :( [12:09] kubuntu breezy doesn't work on my brandnew pc :$ [12:09] okay, other way round: is an upload of a new libkipi release that has a NEW libkipi0c2 pkg still possible in breezy main? Including the gwenview (main), showimg, kimdaba, digikam, kipi-plugins rebuild? [12:10] first of all, the kernel hangs on bootup when i enable ACPI [12:10] with acpi=off, it installs [12:10] but when X starts, the screen is just black/white striped [12:10] and that's it [12:10] amd64, MSI Neo2 Mobo, Geforce 6600GT 256MB [12:12] allee: there is no need to add c2 to kipi [12:13] Riddell: ah, now I see what you miss: Debian has lib{kipi,kexif}0c2 in unstable already [12:13] Verwilst: that's a bit low level for me, you might want to try #ubuntu [12:13] allee: tsk. why? [12:14] Riddell: i really hoped it would install perfectly :'( [12:14] He, changelog says to 'sync' with ubuntu ;) [12:14] well, i'm off to bed! [12:14] see ya [12:14] Riddell: but I remember that I complained here that the c2 is not necessary ... [12:15] Riddell: so I assume it was removed in ubuntu and Paul did notice in time and uploaded a +c2 pkgs [12:15] s/did/did not/ === allee was in holidays when this happened [12:16] allee: arn't they your packages? how come someone else changed them? [12:18] we, Marc (my sponsor) and me are maintaining them, c++ trans in debian started just before I went to holidays and Marc Purcell did the c++ trans [12:19] for completeness, Paul Telfort the 'old' maintainer is still on uploaders too [12:20] ah, so anyone listed as uploader in debian/control file can upload? [12:20] Riddell: me not. Only an official debian maintainer [12:20] sure [12:21] allee: well either you or someone fixes it in debian or debian decides they like having excessive c2's on their packages and it'll get synced in dapper [12:21] more presize if not on uploader one has to upload an NMU pkg. Or it's considered hijacking ;) [12:22] so technically there's nothing to stop you hijacking? [12:22] I'm on uploaders ;) [12:23] I mean anyone can just hijack, it's only a social thing that they don't? [12:23] but I can't upload for obvious reasons [12:24] Riddell: lintian complains and hijacking is considered a very bad thing in debian [12:24] yep [12:24] AFAIR new ftp-master checks include a is-not-a-hijack-uplaod [12:25] :) [12:26] allee: well it's up to you I guess, either fix the debian packages or we'll sync in ubuntu later [12:26] So summary: for hoary and breezy, without-c2 are needed. So I guess I'll try to change it in debian (debian-release will not be happy with all those transitions already going on, but it's better than 'backporting' during the whole life of breezy [12:27] what's debian-release? [12:29] mailing list coordinationg releases and testing. currently mostly c++ trans stuff traffic and other lib soname changes) [12:29] just blame it on ubuntu :) [12:30] lol [12:33] When upstream officially announces the half a dozend new release I come back check how to make them available. [12:33] thx. back to pkging === JRe [n=jre@pai34-2-82-226-199-36.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === _tonio [n=tonio@tonio.planetemu.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === _tonio [n=tonio@tonio.planetemu.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === ..[topic/#kubuntu-devel:Riddell] : ideas: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuDapperGoals || Make packages https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KDE35Packages || apt-get install adept kde-guidance || Breezy Preview http://www.kubuntu.org/breezy-preview.php || https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Kubuntu === Tonio- [n=tonio@tonio.planetemu.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Tonio- is away: Away at the moment === Tonio- is back. [03:47] allee: thanks for the feedback on the guidance packaging, I've uploaded that now === Tonio- [n=tonio@tonio.planetemu.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:39] Riddell: apparently a problem with last Adept package.... [04:42] snapshot -> http://planetemu.net/temp/capture1.png [04:43] I tried to reboot and that doesn't change.... === Tonio- [n=tonio@tonio.planetemu.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === venda-away is now known as venda === \sh_away is now known as \sh === hunger [n=hunger@p54A6144C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [11:13] How about adding kcalc to kubuntu-devel? [11:14] It is annoying to not have a calculator handy by default. [11:14] s/kubuntu-devel/kubuntu-desktop/. [11:14] hmm [11:15] Kcalc? it's there? [11:15] Tm_T: Not for me... maybe I did remove it myself? It is not listet in kubuntu-desktop. [11:15] oh, then [11:16] really should be there [11:16] I don't know is it there by default, I never "use" default things [11:16] Tm_T: I trimmed down my installation recently to basically kubuntu-desktop and ubuntu-desktop. [11:17] Riddell: np, glad my comments were useful [11:17] Tm_T: And suddenly kcalc is gone:-( [11:17] uff [11:17] not good [11:22] How does this katapult work?! [11:22] Is it the default run dialog in kubuntu? [11:26] crispin: The latest udev was supposed to have that fixed:-( === hunger still has the /d/i/mice problem with the new udev. [11:44] Plus I get lots of failures from alsa now. === hunger really hates KDM using properly sized fonts with fixed positions for the rest. [11:50] My display has 130dpi... that breaks the layout since the fonts are way larger then expected. [11:54] dmk: Did you try running udevstart on the console? [11:54] dmk: I have that problem for a couple of weeks now. [11:55] dmk: Run udevstart, that should get you set up again (till you reboot). === JRe [n=jre@pai34-2-82-226-199-36.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:31] hunger: speedcrunch replaces kcalc === apokryphos [n=apokryph@host-87-74-2-161.bulldogdsl.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:31] hunger: alt-space for katapult [12:31] Riddell: I havn't found that in the menu... will check once my box works again. [12:44] pitti: Ich meine gelesen zu haben, das der auf 120s erhoeht wurde... === Tonio- [n=tonio@cac94-5-82-229-219-55.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:46] hi everyone [12:49] What is the KBluetoothD doing, asking about kbluepin? [12:51] Riddell: Ksysguard applett works again for me... I needed to fix ssh for it to let me loggin to my own account on localhost without passwd. [12:53] hunger: I need to sort out kbluetooth to stop it getting in the way [12:54] Riddell: Can I just OK the question? I do not understand it, so I am reluctant to do so. [12:54] just ok it [12:54] Riddell: I never noticed KDE ask so many stupid questions before... [12:55] it has a habit of that. I got rid of the amarok stupid startup wizard [12:55] kwallet is evil [12:55] Riddell: It asked me whether I want to create a index of KDEhelp today... never did that before. [12:55] death to kwallet indeed [12:55] Riddell: I have an idea what that wiondow is about (and hatet it in windows already), but my mom would be stomped. [12:56] apokryphos: kwallet rulez! I couldn't access any site without it. [12:56] apokryphos: Make that anything with a password:-) [12:56] I've just never had a problem remembering passwords (I don't tend to use the same ones for everything, neither) [12:57] apokryphos: Well... I have about 150 different passwords in kwallet at this time. [12:57] hehe [12:57] apokryphos: And that is not counting SSH passphrases to about 200 servers. [12:58] I gotta set up ssh keys ideally; bit too lazy atm. [12:59] apokryphos: I just wish all our customers could agree to using one sane set of rules for remote access... [12:59] apokryphos: Some insist on RSA tokens (onetime passwords) to secure telnet sessions *shivers* [12:59] heh [01:00] Maybe I should get into kwallet (it could speed up some things I guess); just picture in my mind of annoying KWallet popups for email that wouldn't go away [01:01] then you have to dig into places before finding it to disable in kcontrol [01:01] apokryphos: Kmail does not use kwallet IIRC. [01:01] it does [01:01] it dies [01:01] does [01:01] silly keyboard [01:01] Not here... strange. [01:02] Maybe I because I am importing my settings for ages now (long before there was a kwallet). [01:02] you can set up your wallets to not need a password and not time out, makes them a lot less hassle :) [01:03] Riddell: If only someone could fix those annoying missing wallet problems I am seeing occasionally. [01:06] Riddell: What is up with your kde 3.5 beta debs? Are you still working on those? === apokryphos would continue working on them but has a problem he can't figure out [01:07] in all my chroots I get "su: su must be run from a terminal". Weeird. [01:07] hunger: I don't really have time to work on them, if someone else cjan that would be greaet [01:07] hunger: what missing wallet problems? [01:08] apokryphos: when do you get that? [01:08] Riddell: on any su in a chroot [01:08] (mind you, I've never got sudo to work in chroot, even though I do direct copies of the profile/group etc files) [01:09] Riddell: My wallets "vanish" from time to time... ususlla show up one or two upgrades later. [01:13] apokryphos: don't run su (I just run everything as root in a chroot) [01:14] hunger: that's spooky [01:14] Riddell: how can I get directly to a root account in chroot? [01:14] apokryphos: sudo chroot :) [01:14] I don't use dchroot [01:14] ah; thanks [01:19] Riddell: also, how to create new (and edit) patches? [01:20] I think if I can get past that hurdle I'll be able to do a lot of these =) [01:22] cp foo.cpp foo.cpp-orig [01:22] emacs foo.cpp [01:22] diff -u foo.cpp-orig foo.cpp [01:22] it's not pretty [01:22] you also have to edit the patch to have the correct paths at the top [01:22] not a problem [01:22] and emacs doesn't like editing files that end in .diff, just to be annoying [01:23] I presume that in the emacs step I do ctrl+x, ctrl+c, vi foo.cpp ;-) [01:24] I didn't think I could use plain diff for it -- that's good. Gotta eat; will do once I get back. [01:44] Riddell: ok back. What are the other reasons for a patch not being applied? [01:45] with kdegames, the original patch didn't work and there's an .rej [01:45] apokryphos: it means that what it's trying to patch has changed [01:45] ok, no problem [01:46] should I delete the .rej after? [01:46] you need to patch by hand, do a diff and use that diff in the patch [01:46] and delete the .rej yes [01:46] thanks [01:48] actually I think debuild will delete the .rej file anyway === paines [n=paines@p508920C3.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:48] hi [01:49] paines: yo [01:49] i would like to help with buidling kde packages for amd64 [01:49] rocking [01:50] paines: do you know where to start? === m-fox [n=m-fox@port-212-202-8-119.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:50] no. is there a howto ? [01:50] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KDE35Packages is a brief guide to making KDE 3.5 beta packages [01:50] but you can miss most of it out since the packages are already there [01:51] start by making a breezy chroot (see DebootstrapChroot) [01:51] then grab the source packages [01:51] debuild [01:51] done [01:51] Riddell: you're missing out the patches step 8) [01:52] apokryphos: well he doesn't need to do that if he's just re-compiling the existing i386 packages [01:52] oh, yeah; excellent. Easy stuff. :) [01:52] well, I am running breezy by default. [01:52] paines: chroot is the way to go for building packages [01:52] should I reinstall hoary, and install a chroot breezy ? [01:53] okay [01:53] paines: you can have a hoary or breezy chroot (it sets up the environment as if you had installed either of those). [01:53] paines: no, no need to install hoary. You can have a hoary chroot on breezy [01:53] apokryphos, correct [01:54] okay. I will do the steps provided by https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KDE35Packages, and give it a try [01:54] and let you know when I am ready [01:54] 3.5 beta 1 has just been released by the way [01:54] paines: as was mentioned, you can ignore most of those steps though (as you'll only be rebuilding on 64-bit) [01:55] paines: get the sources from deb-src http://kubuntu.org/kde35beta1 breezy main [01:55] apt-get source kdelibs etc [01:55] paines: start with arts [01:56] allright [01:59] Riddell: any special name for patches? Or just kubuntu_XX_application_link.diff ? [02:00] apokryphos: what is most descriptive. are you adding new patches or changing existing ones? [02:00] changing existing [02:00] just keep the same name and mention that it's changed in the changelog [02:01] ok === verwilst [n=verwilst@212.123.1.32] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:08] hi [02:09] the 3.5 repo has been announced, but only a handful of pkgs are done? :) [02:10] verwilst: where was it "anounced"? Note that it's a beta version, too, of course. Hardly any distros would even build packages for this [02:11] <\sh> apokryphos: it's announced on kde.org in 3.5 announcements [02:11] <\sh> http://www.kde.org/info/3.5beta1.php [02:11] i'll help packaging too :) === verwilst restarts with kde3.5 [02:11] oh; I only got the kde-announce === verwilst [n=verwilst@212.123.1.32] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:14] evil Make error: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2406 :/ === verwilst is in kde 3.5 [02:15] but i need kdenetwork + kdepim 3.5 before i need something [02:24] uh [02:24] before i see* something :p [02:27] verwilst: best to just use a chroot for building the packages now [02:27] apokryphos: hehe i know :p [02:27] so why'd you need those? [02:32] apokryphos: is that in a file which has been patched? [02:33] Riddell: nope; the patch is in kbounce/Makefile.am [02:41] s/is in/is of/ [02:44] apokryphos: compiling [02:45] Riddell: maybe if you could create the 3.5 packages, then i'll compile em? [02:45] i don't have time to fiddle with the patches myself now because of work [02:45] verwilst: can't really do one without the other [02:45] but since i work in a datacenter, i have lots of machines that can compile ;) [02:45] Riddell: well, i can compile, and send you error messages [02:46] and fix some myself even [02:46] verwilst: if you want to give me ssh and a chroot on those that would be lovely :0 [02:46] i wish i could :p [02:46] but every change in the firewalling rules is logged [02:47] i do most of my compiling on the mysql cluster i've setup :p [02:47] since i set em up and admin em, nobody notices :p [02:49] apokryphos: libkdegames compiles fine for me [02:49] gah [02:50] apokryphos: are you using unsermake or normal make? [02:51] Riddell: I took the unsermake dependencies out; doing a simple debuild [02:52] apokryphos: breezy chroot? [02:52] yup [02:53] maybe try installing libqt3-compat-headers [02:53] then debuild -nc [02:56] ok [03:17] Riddell: hm, same error. [03:41] Riddell: if we could have some shared thingy where we can put the packages, then i can compile and report succes/failure, while you can focus on porting em === tvo [n=tobi@5354EA9B.cable.casema.nl] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:52] verwilst: it's the porting that takes time [03:53] Riddell: compiling too no? [03:54] so i could take the compiling part out of your hands :d === jjesse [n=jjesse@mail.ftpb.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === verwilst [n=verwilst@212.123.1.32] has joined #kubuntu-devel === \sh is now known as \sh_away === m-fox [n=m-fox@port-212-202-8-119.dynamic.qsc.de] has left #kubuntu-devel ["Kopete] [05:49] Riddell: figured I'd try my luck with kdeedu; it contains two patches, but both of which are about a file that doesn't seem to exist (langen2kvtml) at all. [05:49] apokryphos: then you can probsably remove the patches :) [05:50] woo === \sh_away is now known as \sh === sebas [n=sebas@vhe-382306.sshn.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === allee [n=ach@allee.exgal.mpe.mpg.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === JRe [n=jre@pai34-2-82-226-199-36.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [06:32] wow new udev package does not work at all [06:36] JRe: yes, I discovered this too :( [06:37] changelog from upload a couple of hours ago "Well, that didn't work so well now, did it folks?" [06:37] :) [06:41] <\sh> hmmmm... [06:42] <\sh> 0.060-1ubuntu14 works for me :) [06:43] \sh: ho for me last version is ubuntu13 [06:44] <\sh> JRe: apt-get update dude..and dist-upgrade...then /etc/init.d/udev restart ; /etc/init.d/{kdm,gdm} restart [06:44] <\sh> then u have ubuntu14 [06:44] <\sh> and a running x with mouse and everything :) [06:45] \sh: i think the package is not already on mirror (i did an update of course =) =)) [06:45] <\sh> JRe: use archive.ubuntu.com...it was there at 18:00 [06:45] \sh: ok! thanks :) [06:46] <\sh> 18:00 == 16:00 UTC :) [06:53] sebas: do you know why libpythonize requires the /usr/lib/libpython2.4.so link from python2.4-dev? [06:55] <\sh> Riddell: in pyqt? [06:55] \sh: well pyqt all works, if I run userconfig on its own it works fine, but kcmshell userconfig needs that link === tvo [n=tobi@5354EA9B.cable.casema.nl] has joined #kubuntu-devel [06:56] <\sh> Riddell: argl...is it this pykde extentions stuff? [06:57] <\sh> Riddell: because in those extensions are the kcontrol center plugin interfaces..right? [06:58] \sh: yes, that's libpythonize [06:58] <\sh> crap [06:59] but ldd on libpythonize says it doesn't need that link [06:59] nor indeed /usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/qt.so [07:00] <\sh> hmm... [07:00] <\sh> kde-guidance is the package with userconfig inside...and what was the source pkg name for the extentions?? [07:00] <\sh> let me have a lookk [07:05] <\sh> hmmm [07:05] <\sh> dh_install -plibpythonize0-dev debian/pykdeextensions/usr/lib/lib*.so usr/lib === JRe [n=jre@pai34-2-82-226-199-36.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [07:08] <\sh> Riddell: check the .la file..it's wrong [07:09] <\sh> # Directory that this library needs to be installed in: [07:09] <\sh> libdir='/build/buildd/pykdeextensions-0.3.1/debian/pykdeextensions/usr/lib' [07:09] <\sh> # Names of this library. [07:09] <\sh> library_names='libpythonize.so.0.0.0 libpythonize.so.0 libpythonize.so' [07:11] ll [07:12] <\sh> i think u have your enemy [07:12] libtool is evil [07:12] <\sh> yepp === JRe [n=jre@pai34-2-82-226-199-36.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === amu [i=amu@debian/developer/amu] has joined #kubuntu-devel [07:20] yo amu [07:21] Riddell: for icons, there's a cyrstalsvg, hicolor, and locolor -- should that be the case? And, should I only replace entries for where they really don't exist? [07:22] apokryphos: a lot of the icons have moved around (from crystal to hicolour mostly but I also moved some from locolour to hicolour in kdegames) [07:22] apokryphos: just make sure the .install files match what's really there [07:22] apokryphos: did you get it compiled then? [07:22] and cyrstalsvg shoudl exist? [07:23] ok [07:23] apokryphos: the icon theme should exist yes, most icons will get installed to crystal [07:34] hey Riddell [07:35] <\sh> huhu amu [07:35] .oO moin sh [07:37] \sh: you were saying something about amarok epochs the other night.. :) [07:37] <\sh> ah [07:37] <\sh> yes [07:38] <\sh> amu: the epochs in amarok are nasty..i wanted to come to dueren to kick u ;) [07:38] <\sh> amu: i can't sync it directly anymore from debian now *gnarf* [07:39] \sh: hehe, i did it? amarok sounds for me unkown :D [07:40] btw. we're evaluating our +1 mil. domains moving from debian to ubuntu [07:41] <\sh> amu: we did it already at ish :) [07:41] <\sh> running 5 dns on ubuntu.. [07:41] <\sh> and we're moving more services from sun sparc/slowlaris to ubuntu [07:41] \sh: those server in our DC? [07:47] <\sh> amu: no...the servers at ISH DC [07:47] <\sh> amu: the servers in HE DC are running with redhat 7.3, gentoo and mine on ubuntu [07:47] <\sh> Riddell: i just kicked amu for nothing... [07:47] <\sh> amarok (2:1.2.3-1ubuntu1) hoary; urgency=low [07:47] <\sh> * Sync with Debian [07:47] <\sh> -- Jonathan Riddell Wed, 30 Mar 2005 04:25:27 +0000 [07:47] <\sh> or i forgot one entry... [07:47] <\sh> amu: when breezy is out i have to come to your office and update the little bastard === \sh is now known as \sh_away [07:48] <\sh_away> grmpf [07:49] hmm, there's something missing from that changelog, I wouldn't have just upped the epoch to 2 for no reason [07:50] <\sh_away> Riddell: i will look on the other laptop later [07:50] <\sh_away> so i missed something [07:50] or a previous packager did === \sh_away is now known as \sh [07:52] <\sh> me needs a short rest... [07:52] <\sh> laters === \sh is now known as \sh_away [07:55] Riddell: who's working on 3.5? i'm the only one? [07:55] amu: apokryphos was doing kdegames [07:55] JRe said he'd do something but I'm not sure what he's got to [07:55] Riddell: I had that evil problem, doing kdeedu now [07:56] apokryphos: right [07:56] harder to change all these icons than I'd thought; no sed usage here :D. Nevermind, done that now. /me crosses fingers and debuilds [07:56] apokryphos: good luck :) [07:57] Riddell: ok .. testing now the live, brb [07:57] amu: good luck [09:01] Riddell: what happened with kmessedwords executable? cp: cannot stat `debian/tmp/usr/bin/kmessedwords': No such file or directory [09:02] uff all time the image is 702mb [09:02] apokryphos: didn't it change name to something else? [09:03] oh, kanagram. And I just wrote a doc not too long ago on it as kmessedwords. I'll just edit the .install file then [09:04] apokryphos: you should change the package name too (change the .install and in debian/control) [09:04] hm, well, I'd have to edit loads of things I guess [09:04] grep is your friend :) [09:04] oh wait, I see the actual kanagram/ is ok [09:04] Yup, no problem. === \sh_away is now known as \sh === JRe [n=jre@pai34-2-82-226-199-36.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [09:11] <\sh> JRe: ping [09:12] \sh: pongue [09:12] <\sh> JRe: where should i send u the pybt source as template for kpybt? [09:13] \sh: sent in private [09:53] amu: still battling with live CD? === Tonio [n=tonio@tonio.planetemu.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === \sh is now known as \sh_away [10:01] Riddell: yep, acpi is not working, it hangs at boottime at the acpi-check, now i removed it and rebuild it .... [10:01] looks like nobody takes care in past about liveCD's :D [10:03] gimme 15min. than i can tell you, there's a live or not [10:04] S99acpi-support there it hangs, at least at my laptop ... [10:05] acpi=off is your friend [10:05] doesnt work :D [10:07] the good news is, if it works, it runs on every laptop or desktop :) [10:10] case "$1" in [10:10] start) [10:10] log_begin_msg "Checking battery state..." [10:10] if [ -d /proc/acpi/ac_adapter ] ; then [10:10] grep -q off-line /proc/acpi/ac_adapter/*/state >/dev/null 2>&1 [10:10] if [ $? = 0 ] [10:10] then [10:10] $LAPTOP_MODE start [10:10] $HDPARM -S 12 /dev/hda [10:10] $HDPARM -B 1 /dev/hda [10:10] fi [10:10] [10:10] "Checking battery state..." there it loops [10:11] cannot check atm, if the proc file is there or not or $LAPTOP_MODE $HDPARM isnt set [10:12] burning ... === Tonio [n=tonio@tonio.planetemu.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [10:17] yes, yeah now kdm starts [10:18] amu: that's always useful I find :) [10:18] hi everyone ;) [10:18] evening Tonio [10:18] Riddell: I saw you integrated that kdm ;) [10:18] kdm theme [10:18] yes [10:18] thanks ;) ^^ [10:19] we could do with a decent splash screen though [10:19] 435%$% hangs on initalizing system services [10:19] did you receive my mail concerning kaffeine and amarok ? I have found many issues with gstreamer....... [10:19] Tonio: I did, it was useful [10:20] Tonio: how would you fancy backporting the amarok alsasink to 1.3.1? [10:20] Riddell: hehe [10:20] you mean ? [10:21] Tonio: alsasink was got rid of in amarok 1.3.1, but it's back now [10:21] ahhhhhhhhhhhh nice ;) [10:21] Tonio: so we could do with patching amarok 1.3.1 to include the current SVN alsasink [10:22] oss is really............. bad ;) i was dissapointed having to use it ;) [10:23] little question about xine, is it able to use gstreamer plugin ? [10:23] no [10:24] I thought it could only with mplayer ones, but while testing i saw it could play about anything, and I didn't install w32codecs...... [10:24] I was surprised..... really, and I still don't understand what it was using..... it was a fresh install though [10:25] reboot time see ya ;) === Tonio [n=tonio@tonio.planetemu.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [10:31] Riddell: Idon't understand..... [10:32] I have kaffeine with xine, on a fresh default install, no w32codecs installed, and everything plays fine.............. [10:34] is that normal ??? According to what I know you don't get anything if you don't install msodecs.... [10:36] Riddell: no way, booted from my desktop, acpi is fine, could be a problem with my testlaptop, but there it hangs at the starting panel, than a messagecome cannot start process, cannot talk to klauncher [10:37] Tonio: let's put it down to one of life's great mysteries and say nothing more of it *cough* [10:38] ^^ [10:40] s/starting panel/loading the panel [10:52] Tonio: plenty stuff plays without w32codecs [10:56] I may have a lot of chance ;) [10:56] gstreamer doesn't play much without libs installation :) [10:57] the streamer plugins in universe and multiverse help [10:57] okay I have to leave, I'm up for 39 hours..... a bit tired ;) [10:57] Riddell: is there someone else who tried the hoary packages? [10:58] good night everyone :) [10:58] amu: hmm, quite possibly not [10:58] Tonio: n8 [10:58] Riddell: are you going to implement gstreamer alsa in amarok before breezy's out ? not to give preasure, just to know ;) [10:59] amu: ^^ [10:59] Riddell: is it a known problem with klauncher? [10:59] amu -> could not talk to klauncher when logging out ? [11:00] talking about that one ?? [11:00] Tonio: I don't know, I'll try and look at it [11:00] okay ;) thanks ;) [11:00] 'nite all [11:02] Riddell: i'll up the image, please check with your hardware :) it could be cause my spacial hardware *g* [11:02] amu: ok [11:03] scp kubuntu-hoary-live-i386.iso amu@kubuntu.org: [11:03] kubuntu-hoary-live-i386.iso 0% 360KB 117.0KB/s 1:13:09 ETA [11:12] Riddell: is there no command to make it scan all the relevant files (.install etc), and check if they exist? [11:13] doing a debuild (even with -nc), seems like an awful lot of time is wasted [11:13] apokryphos: dh_install --list-missing [11:13] arghh [11:13] as mentioned on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KDE35Packages [11:14] I think you even told me that last time; what a dunce. Thanks again. [11:14] you might also need a --source-dir=debian/tmp in there [11:14] 59aa34f1e6a84d6669310150181480ad kubuntu-hoary-live-i386.iso [11:14] yes, I even *used* it last time. Geez; bad memory. [11:24] Riddell: in this package there are quite a few libkvoctraincore.so (and variants), and there's no libkvoctraincore.install -- should I make one and put the relevant .so inside? === apokryphos looks over the huge output of dh_install but is *determined* to finish tonight :D [11:28] apokryphos: sounds like a good id,ea yes [11:49] gn8 all [11:49] night amu, thanks [11:52] Riddell: np, letme know where's the bug