[12:03] <Riddell> means you need to rebuild gwenview and dikikam then
[12:05] <allee> yeap and then remove c2 when backporting to hoary ;)  And main is frozen.  So as far as I understand a libkipi -> libkipi0c2 transistion + rebuild of depends is too late in the game for breezy too. right?
[12:08] <Riddell> allee: I'm not following.  what's the problem here?
[12:09] <Verwilst> hm :(
[12:09] <Verwilst> kubuntu breezy doesn't work on my brandnew pc :$
[12:09] <allee> okay, other way round: is an upload of a new libkipi release that has a NEW libkipi0c2 pkg still possible in breezy main? Including the gwenview (main), showimg, kimdaba, digikam, kipi-plugins rebuild?
[12:10] <Verwilst> first of all, the kernel hangs on bootup when i enable ACPI
[12:10] <Verwilst> with acpi=off, it installs
[12:10] <Verwilst> but when X starts, the screen is just black/white striped
[12:10] <Verwilst> and that's it
[12:10] <Verwilst> amd64, MSI Neo2 Mobo, Geforce 6600GT 256MB
[12:12] <Riddell> allee: there is no need to add c2 to kipi
[12:13] <allee> Riddell: ah, now I see what you miss:  Debian has lib{kipi,kexif}0c2 in unstable already
[12:13] <Riddell> Verwilst: that's a bit low level for me, you might want to try #ubuntu
[12:13] <Riddell> allee: tsk.  why?
[12:14] <Verwilst> Riddell: i really hoped it would install perfectly :'(
[12:14] <allee> He, changelog says to 'sync' with ubuntu ;)
[12:14] <Verwilst> well, i'm off to bed!
[12:14] <Verwilst> see ya
[12:14] <allee> Riddell: but I remember that I complained here that the c2 is not necessary ...
[12:15] <allee> Riddell: so I assume it was removed in ubuntu and Paul did notice in time and uploaded a +c2 pkgs
[12:15] <allee> s/did/did not/
[12:16] <Riddell> allee: arn't they your packages?  how come someone else changed them?
[12:18] <allee> we, Marc (my sponsor) and me are maintaining them, c++ trans in debian started just before I went to holidays and Marc Purcell did the c++ trans
[12:19] <allee> for completeness, Paul Telfort the 'old' maintainer is still on uploaders too
[12:20] <Riddell> ah, so anyone listed as uploader in debian/control file can upload?
[12:20] <allee> Riddell: me not.  Only an official debian maintainer
[12:20] <Riddell> sure
[12:21] <Riddell> allee: well either you or someone fixes it in debian or debian decides they like having excessive c2's on their packages and it'll get synced in dapper
[12:21] <allee> more presize if not on uploader one has to upload an NMU pkg.  Or it's considered hijacking ;)
[12:22] <Riddell> so technically there's nothing to stop you hijacking?
[12:22] <allee> I'm on uploaders ;)
[12:23] <Riddell> I mean anyone can just hijack, it's only a social thing that they don't?
[12:23] <allee> but I can't upload for obvious reasons
[12:24] <allee> Riddell: lintian complains and hijacking is considered a very bad thing in debian
[12:24] <Riddell> yep
[12:24] <allee> AFAIR new ftp-master checks include a is-not-a-hijack-uplaod
[12:25] <Riddell> :)
[12:26] <Riddell> allee: well it's up to you I guess, either fix the debian packages or we'll sync in ubuntu later
[12:26] <allee> So summary: for hoary and breezy, without-c2 are needed.  So I guess I'll try to change it in debian (debian-release will not be happy with all those transitions already going on, but it's better than 'backporting' during the whole life of breezy
[12:27] <Riddell> what's debian-release?
[12:29] <allee> mailing list coordinationg releases and testing.  currently mostly c++ trans stuff traffic and other lib soname changes)
[12:29] <Riddell> just blame it on ubuntu :)
[12:30] <allee> lol
[12:33] <allee> When upstream officially announces the half a dozend new release I come back check how to make them available.
[12:33] <allee> thx. back to pkging
[03:47] <Riddell> allee: thanks for the feedback on the guidance packaging, I've uploaded that now
[04:39] <Tonio-> Riddell: apparently a problem with last Adept package....
[04:42] <Tonio-> snapshot -> http://planetemu.net/temp/capture1.png
[04:43] <Tonio-> I tried to reboot and that doesn't change....
[11:13] <hunger> How about adding kcalc to kubuntu-devel?
[11:14] <hunger> It is annoying to not have a calculator handy by default.
[11:14] <hunger> s/kubuntu-devel/kubuntu-desktop/.
[11:14] <Tm_T> hmm
[11:15] <Tm_T> Kcalc? it's there?
[11:15] <hunger> Tm_T: Not for me... maybe I did remove it myself? It is not listet in kubuntu-desktop.
[11:15] <Tm_T> oh, then
[11:16] <Tm_T> really should be there
[11:16] <Tm_T> I don't know is it there by default, I never "use" default things
[11:16] <hunger> Tm_T: I trimmed down my installation recently to basically kubuntu-desktop and ubuntu-desktop.
[11:17] <allee> Riddell: np, glad my comments were useful
[11:17] <hunger> Tm_T: And suddenly kcalc is gone:-(
[11:17] <Tm_T> uff
[11:17] <Tm_T> not good
[11:22] <hunger> How does this katapult work?!
[11:22] <hunger> Is it the default run dialog in kubuntu?
[11:26] <hunger> crispin: The latest udev was supposed to have that fixed:-(
[11:44] <hunger> Plus I get lots of failures from alsa now.
[11:50] <hunger> My display has 130dpi... that breaks the layout since the fonts are way larger then expected.
[11:54] <hunger> dmk: Did you try running udevstart on the console?
[11:54] <hunger> dmk: I have that problem for a couple of weeks now.
[11:55] <hunger> dmk: Run udevstart, that should get you set up again (till you reboot).
[12:31] <Riddell> hunger: speedcrunch replaces kcalc
[12:31] <Riddell> hunger: alt-space for katapult
[12:31] <hunger> Riddell: I havn't found that in the menu... will check once my box works again.
[12:44] <hunger> pitti: Ich meine gelesen zu haben, das der auf 120s erhoeht wurde...
[12:46] <Tonio-> hi everyone
[12:49] <hunger> What is the KBluetoothD doing, asking about kbluepin?
[12:51] <hunger> Riddell: Ksysguard applett works again for me... I needed to fix ssh for it to let me loggin to my own account on localhost without passwd.
[12:53] <Riddell> hunger: I need to sort out kbluetooth to stop it getting in the way
[12:54] <hunger> Riddell: Can I just OK the question? I do not understand it, so I am reluctant to do so.
[12:54] <Riddell> just ok it
[12:54] <hunger> Riddell: I never noticed KDE ask so many stupid questions before...
[12:55] <Riddell> it has a habit of that.  I got rid of the amarok stupid startup wizard
[12:55] <Riddell> kwallet is evil
[12:55] <hunger> Riddell: It asked me whether I want to create a index of KDEhelp today... never did that before.
[12:55] <apokryphos> death to kwallet indeed
[12:55] <hunger> Riddell: I have an idea what that wiondow is about (and hatet it in windows already), but my mom would be stomped.
[12:56] <hunger> apokryphos: kwallet rulez! I couldn't access any site without it.
[12:56] <hunger> apokryphos: Make that anything with a password:-)
[12:56] <apokryphos> I've just never had a problem remembering passwords (I don't tend to use the same ones for everything, neither)
[12:57] <hunger> apokryphos: Well... I have about 150 different passwords in kwallet at this time.
[12:57] <apokryphos> hehe
[12:57] <hunger> apokryphos: And that is not counting SSH passphrases to about 200 servers.
[12:58] <apokryphos> I gotta set up ssh keys ideally; bit too lazy atm.
[12:59] <hunger> apokryphos: I just wish all our customers could agree to using one sane set of rules for remote access...
[12:59] <hunger> apokryphos: Some insist on RSA tokens (onetime passwords) to secure telnet sessions *shivers*
[12:59] <apokryphos> heh
[01:00] <apokryphos> Maybe I should get into kwallet (it could speed up some things I guess); just picture in my mind of annoying KWallet popups for email that wouldn't go away
[01:01] <apokryphos> then you have to dig into places before finding it to disable in kcontrol
[01:01] <hunger> apokryphos: Kmail does not use kwallet IIRC.
[01:01] <apokryphos> it does
[01:01] <Riddell> it dies
[01:01] <Riddell> does
[01:01] <Riddell> silly keyboard
[01:01] <hunger> Not here... strange.
[01:02] <hunger> Maybe I because I am importing my settings for ages now (long before there was a kwallet).
[01:02] <Riddell> you can set up your wallets to not need a password and not time out, makes them a lot less hassle :)
[01:03] <hunger> Riddell: If only someone could fix those annoying missing wallet problems I am seeing occasionally.
[01:06] <hunger> Riddell: What is up with your kde 3.5 beta debs? Are you still working on those?
[01:07] <apokryphos> in all my chroots I get "su: su must be run from a terminal". Weeird.
[01:07] <Riddell> hunger: I don't really have time to work on them, if someone else cjan that would be greaet
[01:07] <Riddell> hunger: what missing wallet problems?
[01:08] <Riddell> apokryphos: when do you get that?
[01:08] <apokryphos> Riddell: on any su in a chroot
[01:08] <apokryphos> (mind you, I've never got sudo to work in chroot, even though I do direct copies of the profile/group etc files)
[01:09] <hunger> Riddell: My wallets "vanish" from time to time... ususlla show up one or two upgrades later.
[01:13] <Riddell> apokryphos: don't run su (I just run everything as root in a chroot)
[01:14] <Riddell> hunger: that's spooky
[01:14] <apokryphos> Riddell: how can I get directly to a root account in chroot?
[01:14] <Riddell> apokryphos: sudo chroot  :)
[01:14] <Riddell> I don't use dchroot
[01:14] <apokryphos> ah; thanks
[01:19] <apokryphos> Riddell: also, how to create new (and edit) patches?
[01:20] <apokryphos> I think if I can get past that hurdle I'll be able to do a lot of these =)
[01:22] <Riddell> cp foo.cpp foo.cpp-orig
[01:22] <Riddell> emacs foo.cpp
[01:22] <Riddell> diff -u foo.cpp-orig foo.cpp
[01:22] <Riddell> it's not pretty
[01:22] <Riddell> you also have to edit the patch to have the correct paths at the top
[01:22] <apokryphos> not a problem
[01:22] <Riddell> and emacs doesn't like editing files that end in .diff, just to be annoying
[01:23] <apokryphos> I presume that in the emacs step I do ctrl+x, ctrl+c, vi foo.cpp ;-)
[01:24] <apokryphos> I didn't think I could use plain diff for it -- that's good. Gotta eat; will do once I get back.
[01:44] <apokryphos> Riddell: ok back. What are the other reasons for a patch not being applied?
[01:45] <apokryphos> with kdegames, the original patch didn't work and there's an .rej
[01:45] <Riddell> apokryphos: it means that what it's trying to patch has changed
[01:45] <apokryphos> ok, no problem
[01:46] <apokryphos> should I delete the .rej after?
[01:46] <Riddell> you need to patch by hand, do a diff and use that diff in the patch
[01:46] <Riddell> and delete the .rej yes
[01:46] <apokryphos> thanks
[01:48] <Riddell> actually I think debuild will delete the .rej file anyway
[01:48] <paines> hi
[01:49] <Riddell> paines: yo
[01:49] <paines> i would like to help with buidling kde packages for amd64
[01:49] <Riddell> rocking
[01:50] <Riddell> paines: do you know where to start?
[01:50] <paines> no. is there a howto ?
[01:50] <Riddell> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KDE35Packages is a brief guide to making KDE 3.5 beta packages
[01:50] <Riddell> but you can miss most of it out since the packages are already there
[01:51] <Riddell> start by making a breezy chroot (see DebootstrapChroot)
[01:51] <Riddell> then grab the source packages
[01:51] <Riddell> debuild
[01:51] <Riddell> done
[01:51] <apokryphos> Riddell: you're missing out the patches step 8)
[01:52] <Riddell> apokryphos: well he doesn't need to do that if he's just re-compiling the existing i386 packages
[01:52] <apokryphos> oh, yeah; excellent. Easy stuff. :)
[01:52] <paines> well, I am running breezy by default. 
[01:52] <Riddell> paines: chroot is the way to go for building packages
[01:52] <paines> should I reinstall hoary, and install a chroot breezy ?
[01:53] <paines> okay
[01:53] <apokryphos> paines: you can have a hoary or breezy chroot (it sets up the environment as if you had installed either of those).
[01:53] <apokryphos> paines: no, no need to install hoary. You can have a hoary chroot on breezy
[01:53] <paines> apokryphos, correct
[01:54] <paines> okay. I will do the steps provided by https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KDE35Packages, and give it a try
[01:54] <paines> and let you know when I am ready
[01:54] <Riddell> 3.5 beta 1 has just been released by the way
[01:54] <apokryphos> paines: as was mentioned, you can ignore most of those steps though (as you'll only be rebuilding on 64-bit)
[01:55] <Riddell> paines: get the sources from   deb-src http://kubuntu.org/kde35beta1 breezy main
[01:55] <Riddell> apt-get source kdelibs  etc
[01:55] <Riddell> paines: start with arts
[01:56] <paines> allright
[01:59] <apokryphos> Riddell: any special name for patches? Or just kubuntu_XX_application_link.diff ?
[02:00] <Riddell> apokryphos: what is most descriptive.  are you adding new patches or changing existing ones?
[02:00] <apokryphos> changing existing
[02:00] <Riddell> just keep the same name and mention that it's changed in the changelog
[02:01] <apokryphos> ok
[02:08] <verwilst> hi
[02:09] <verwilst> the 3.5 repo has been announced, but only a handful of pkgs are done? :)
[02:10] <apokryphos> verwilst: where was it "anounced"? Note that it's a beta version, too, of course. Hardly any distros would even build packages for this
[02:11] <\sh> apokryphos: it's announced on kde.org in 3.5 announcements
[02:11] <\sh> http://www.kde.org/info/3.5beta1.php
[02:11] <verwilst> i'll help packaging too :)
[02:11] <apokryphos> oh; I only got the kde-announce
[02:14] <apokryphos> evil Make error: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2406 :/
[02:15] <verwilst> but i need kdenetwork + kdepim 3.5 before i need something
[02:24] <verwilst> uh
[02:24] <verwilst> before i see* something :p
[02:27] <apokryphos> verwilst: best to just use a chroot for building the packages now
[02:27] <verwilst> apokryphos: hehe i know :p
[02:27] <apokryphos> so why'd you need those?
[02:32] <Riddell> apokryphos: is that in a file which has been patched?
[02:33] <apokryphos> Riddell: nope; the patch is in kbounce/Makefile.am
[02:41] <apokryphos> s/is in/is of/
[02:44] <Riddell> apokryphos: compiling
[02:45] <verwilst> Riddell: maybe if you could create the 3.5 packages, then i'll compile em?
[02:45] <verwilst> i don't have time to fiddle with the patches myself now because of work
[02:45] <Riddell> verwilst: can't really do one without the other
[02:45] <verwilst> but since i work in a datacenter, i have lots of machines that can compile ;)
[02:45] <verwilst> Riddell: well, i can compile, and send you error messages
[02:46] <verwilst> and fix some myself even
[02:46] <Riddell> verwilst: if you want to give me ssh and a chroot on those that would be lovely :0
[02:46] <verwilst> i wish i could :p
[02:46] <verwilst> but every change in the firewalling rules is logged
[02:47] <verwilst> i do most of my compiling on the mysql cluster i've setup :p
[02:47] <verwilst> since i set em up and admin em, nobody notices :p
[02:49] <Riddell> apokryphos: libkdegames compiles fine for me
[02:49] <apokryphos> gah
[02:50] <Riddell> apokryphos: are you using unsermake or normal make?
[02:51] <apokryphos> Riddell: I took the unsermake dependencies out; doing a simple debuild
[02:52] <Riddell> apokryphos: breezy chroot?
[02:52] <apokryphos> yup
[02:53] <Riddell> maybe try installing libqt3-compat-headers
[02:53] <Riddell> then  debuild -nc
[02:56] <apokryphos> ok
[03:17] <apokryphos> Riddell: hm, same error.
[03:41] <verwilst> Riddell: if we could have some shared thingy where we can put the packages, then i can compile and report succes/failure, while you can focus on porting em
[03:52] <Riddell> verwilst: it's the porting that takes time
[03:53] <verwilst> Riddell: compiling too no?
[03:54] <verwilst> so i could take the compiling part out of your hands :d
[05:49] <apokryphos> Riddell: figured I'd try my luck with kdeedu; it contains two patches, but both of which are about a file that doesn't seem to exist (langen2kvtml) at all.
[05:49] <Riddell> apokryphos: then you can probsably remove the patches :)
[05:50] <apokryphos> woo
[06:32] <JRe> wow new udev package does not work at all
[06:36] <Riddell> JRe: yes, I discovered this too :(
[06:37] <Riddell> changelog from upload a couple of hours ago "Well, that didn't work so well now, did it folks?"
[06:37] <JRe> :)
[06:41] <\sh> hmmmm...
[06:42] <\sh> 0.060-1ubuntu14 works for me :)
[06:43] <JRe> \sh: ho for me last version is ubuntu13 
[06:44] <\sh> JRe: apt-get update dude..and dist-upgrade...then /etc/init.d/udev restart ; /etc/init.d/{kdm,gdm} restart
[06:44] <\sh> then u have ubuntu14
[06:44] <\sh> and a running x with mouse and everything :)
[06:45] <JRe> \sh: i think the package is not already on mirror (i did an update of course =) =))
[06:45] <\sh> JRe: use archive.ubuntu.com...it was there at 18:00
[06:45] <JRe> \sh: ok! thanks :)
[06:46] <\sh> 18:00 == 16:00 UTC :)
[06:53] <Riddell> sebas: do you know why libpythonize requires the /usr/lib/libpython2.4.so link from python2.4-dev?
[06:55] <\sh> Riddell: in pyqt?
[06:55] <Riddell> \sh: well pyqt all works, if I run userconfig on its own it works fine, but kcmshell userconfig needs that link
[06:56] <\sh> Riddell: argl...is it this pykde extentions stuff?
[06:57] <\sh> Riddell: because in those extensions are the kcontrol center plugin interfaces..right?
[06:58] <Riddell> \sh: yes, that's libpythonize
[06:58] <\sh> crap
[06:59] <Riddell> but ldd on libpythonize says it doesn't need that link
[06:59] <Riddell> nor indeed /usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/qt.so
[07:00] <\sh> hmm...
[07:00] <\sh> kde-guidance is the package with userconfig inside...and what was the source pkg name for the extentions??
[07:00] <\sh> let me have a lookk
[07:05] <\sh> hmmm
[07:05] <\sh>         dh_install -plibpythonize0-dev debian/pykdeextensions/usr/lib/lib*.so usr/lib
[07:08] <\sh> Riddell: check the .la file..it's wrong
[07:09] <\sh> # Directory that this library needs to be installed in:
[07:09] <\sh> libdir='/build/buildd/pykdeextensions-0.3.1/debian/pykdeextensions/usr/lib'
[07:09] <\sh> # Names of this library.
[07:09] <\sh> library_names='libpythonize.so.0.0.0 libpythonize.so.0 libpythonize.so'
[07:11] <Riddell> ll
[07:12] <\sh> i think u have your enemy
[07:12] <Riddell> libtool is evil
[07:12] <\sh> yepp
[07:20] <Riddell> yo amu
[07:21] <apokryphos> Riddell: for icons, there's a cyrstalsvg, hicolor, and locolor -- should that be the case? And, should I only replace entries for where they really don't exist?
[07:22] <Riddell> apokryphos: a lot of the icons have moved around (from crystal to hicolour mostly but I also moved some from locolour to hicolour in kdegames)
[07:22] <Riddell> apokryphos: just make sure the .install files match what's really there
[07:22] <Riddell> apokryphos: did you get it compiled then?
[07:22] <apokryphos> and cyrstalsvg shoudl exist?
[07:23] <apokryphos> ok
[07:23] <Riddell> apokryphos: the icon theme should exist yes, most icons will get installed to crystal
[07:34] <amu> hey Riddell 
[07:35] <\sh> huhu amu
[07:35] <amu> .oO moin sh 
[07:37] <Riddell> \sh: you were saying something about amarok epochs the other night.. :)
[07:37] <\sh> ah
[07:37] <\sh> yes
[07:38] <\sh> amu: the epochs in amarok are nasty..i wanted to come to dueren to kick u ;)
[07:38] <\sh> amu: i can't sync it directly anymore from debian now *gnarf*
[07:39] <amu> \sh: hehe, i did it? amarok sounds for me unkown :D   
[07:40] <amu> btw. we're evaluating our +1 mil. domains moving from debian to ubuntu 
[07:41] <\sh> amu: we did it already at ish :)
[07:41] <\sh> running 5 dns on ubuntu..
[07:41] <\sh> and we're moving more services from sun sparc/slowlaris to ubuntu
[07:41] <amu> \sh: those server in our DC? 
[07:47] <\sh> amu: no...the servers at ISH DC
[07:47] <\sh> amu: the servers in HE DC are running with redhat 7.3, gentoo and mine on ubuntu
[07:47] <\sh> Riddell: i just kicked amu for nothing...
[07:47] <\sh> amarok (2:1.2.3-1ubuntu1) hoary; urgency=low
[07:47] <\sh>   * Sync with Debian
[07:47] <\sh>  -- Jonathan Riddell <jr@jriddell.org>  Wed, 30 Mar 2005 04:25:27 +0000
[07:47] <\sh> or i forgot one entry...
[07:47] <\sh> amu: when breezy is out i have to come to your office and update the little bastard 
[07:48] <\sh_away> grmpf
[07:49] <Riddell> hmm, there's something missing from that changelog, I wouldn't have just upped the epoch to 2 for no reason
[07:50] <\sh_away> Riddell: i will look on the other laptop later
[07:50] <\sh_away> so i missed something
[07:50] <Riddell> or a previous packager did
[07:52] <\sh> me needs a short rest...
[07:52] <\sh> laters
[07:55] <amu> Riddell: who's working on 3.5? i'm the only one?
[07:55] <Riddell> amu: apokryphos was doing kdegames
[07:55] <Riddell> JRe said he'd do something but I'm not sure what he's got to
[07:55] <apokryphos> Riddell: I had that evil problem, doing kdeedu now
[07:56] <Riddell> apokryphos: right
[07:56] <apokryphos> harder to change all these icons than I'd thought; no sed usage here :D. Nevermind, done that now. /me crosses fingers and debuilds
[07:56] <Riddell> apokryphos: good luck :)
[07:57] <amu> Riddell: ok .. testing now the live, brb 
[07:57] <Riddell> amu: good luck
[09:01] <apokryphos> Riddell: what happened with kmessedwords executable? cp: cannot stat `debian/tmp/usr/bin/kmessedwords': No such file or directory
[09:02] <amu> uff all time the image is 702mb 
[09:02] <Riddell> apokryphos: didn't it change name to something else?
[09:03] <apokryphos> oh, kanagram. And I just wrote a doc not too long ago on it as kmessedwords. I'll just edit the .install file then
[09:04] <Riddell> apokryphos: you should change the package name too (change the .install and in debian/control)
[09:04] <apokryphos> hm, well, I'd have to edit loads of things I guess
[09:04] <Riddell> grep is your friend :)
[09:04] <apokryphos> oh wait, I see the actual kanagram/ is ok
[09:04] <apokryphos> Yup, no problem.
[09:11] <\sh> JRe: ping
[09:12] <JRe> \sh: pongue
[09:12] <\sh> JRe: where should i send u the pybt source as template for kpybt?
[09:13] <JRe> \sh: sent in private
[09:53] <Riddell> amu: still battling with live CD?
[10:01] <amu> Riddell: yep, acpi is not working, it hangs at boottime at the acpi-check, now i removed it and rebuild it ....      
[10:01] <amu> looks like nobody takes care in past about liveCD's :D
[10:03] <amu> gimme 15min. than i can tell you, there's a live or not  
[10:04] <amu> S99acpi-support there it hangs, at least at my laptop ...  
[10:05] <Riddell> acpi=off is your friend
[10:05] <amu> doesnt work :D
[10:07] <amu> the good news is, if it works, it runs on every laptop or desktop :)
[10:10] <amu> case "$1" in
[10:10] <amu>   start)
[10:10] <amu>     log_begin_msg "Checking battery state..."
[10:10] <amu>     if [ -d /proc/acpi/ac_adapter ] ; then
[10:10] <amu>         grep -q off-line /proc/acpi/ac_adapter/*/state >/dev/null 2>&1
[10:10] <amu>         if [ $? = 0 ] 
[10:10] <amu>         then
[10:10] <amu>                 $LAPTOP_MODE start
[10:10] <amu>                 $HDPARM -S 12 /dev/hda
[10:10] <amu>                 $HDPARM -B 1 /dev/hda
[10:10] <amu>         fi
[10:10] <amu> 
[10:10] <amu> "Checking battery state..." there it loops
[10:11] <amu> cannot check atm, if the proc file is there or not or $LAPTOP_MODE $HDPARM isnt set  
[10:12] <amu> burning ... 
[10:17] <amu> yes, yeah now kdm starts
[10:18] <Riddell> amu: that's always useful I find :)
[10:18] <Tonio> hi everyone ;)
[10:18] <Riddell> evening Tonio 
[10:18] <Tonio> Riddell: I saw you integrated that kdm ;)
[10:18] <Tonio> kdm theme
[10:18] <Riddell> yes
[10:18] <Tonio> thanks ;) ^^
[10:19] <Riddell> we could do with a decent splash screen though
[10:19] <amu> 435%$% hangs on initalizing system services 
[10:19] <Tonio> did you receive my mail concerning kaffeine and amarok ? I have found many issues with gstreamer.......
[10:19] <Riddell> Tonio: I did, it was useful
[10:20] <Riddell> Tonio: how would you fancy backporting the amarok alsasink to 1.3.1?
[10:20] <amu> Riddell: hehe 
[10:20] <Tonio> you mean ?
[10:21] <Riddell> Tonio: alsasink was got rid of in amarok 1.3.1, but it's back now
[10:21] <Tonio> ahhhhhhhhhhhh nice ;)
[10:21] <Riddell> Tonio: so we could do with patching amarok 1.3.1 to include the current SVN alsasink
[10:22] <Tonio> oss is really............. bad ;) i was dissapointed having to use it ;)
[10:23] <Tonio> little question about xine, is it able to use gstreamer plugin ?
[10:23] <Riddell> no
[10:24] <Tonio> I thought it could only with mplayer ones, but while testing i saw it could play about anything, and I didn't install w32codecs......
[10:24] <Tonio> I was surprised..... really, and I still don't understand what it was using..... it was a fresh install though
[10:25] <Tonio> reboot time see ya ;)
[10:31] <Tonio> Riddell: Idon't understand.....
[10:32] <Tonio> I have kaffeine with xine, on a fresh default install, no w32codecs installed, and everything plays fine..............
[10:34] <Tonio> is that normal ??? According to what I know you don't get anything if you don't install msodecs....
[10:36] <amu> Riddell: no way, booted from my desktop, acpi is fine, could be a problem with my testlaptop, but there it hangs at the starting panel, than a messagecome cannot start process, cannot talk to klauncher
[10:37] <apokryphos> Tonio: let's put it down to one of life's great mysteries and say nothing more of it *cough* 
[10:38] <Tonio> ^^
[10:40] <amu> s/starting panel/loading the panel
[10:52] <Riddell> Tonio: plenty stuff plays without w32codecs
[10:56] <Tonio> I may have a lot of chance ;)
[10:56] <Tonio> gstreamer doesn't play much without libs installation :)
[10:57] <Riddell> the streamer plugins in universe and multiverse help
[10:57] <Tonio> okay I have to leave, I'm up for 39 hours..... a bit tired ;)
[10:57] <amu> Riddell: is there someone else who tried the hoary packages? 
[10:58] <Tonio> good night everyone :)
[10:58] <Riddell> amu: hmm, quite possibly not
[10:58] <amu> Tonio: n8
[10:58] <Tonio> Riddell: are you going to implement gstreamer alsa in amarok before breezy's out ? not to give preasure, just to know ;)
[10:59] <Tonio> amu: ^^
[10:59] <amu> Riddell: is it a known problem with klauncher?  
[10:59] <Tonio> amu -> could not talk to klauncher when logging out ?
[11:00] <Tonio> talking about that one ??
[11:00] <Riddell> Tonio: I don't know, I'll try and look at it
[11:00] <Tonio> okay ;) thanks ;)
[11:00] <Tonio> 'nite all
[11:02] <amu> Riddell: i'll up the image, please check with your hardware :) it could be cause my spacial hardware *g*   
[11:02] <Riddell> amu: ok
[11:03] <amu> scp kubuntu-hoary-live-i386.iso amu@kubuntu.org:
[11:03] <amu> kubuntu-hoary-live-i386.iso                     0%  360KB 117.0KB/s 1:13:09 ETA
[11:12] <apokryphos> Riddell: is there no command to make it scan all the relevant files (.install etc), and check if they exist?
[11:13] <apokryphos> doing a debuild (even with -nc), seems like an awful lot of time is wasted
[11:13] <Riddell> apokryphos: dh_install --list-missing
[11:13] <apokryphos> arghh
[11:13] <Riddell> as mentioned on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KDE35Packages
[11:14] <apokryphos> I think you even told me that last time; what a dunce. Thanks again.
[11:14] <Riddell> you might also need a --source-dir=debian/tmp in there
[11:14] <amu> 59aa34f1e6a84d6669310150181480ad  kubuntu-hoary-live-i386.iso
[11:14] <apokryphos> yes, I even *used* it last time. Geez; bad memory.
[11:24] <apokryphos> Riddell: in this package there are quite a few libkvoctraincore.so (and variants), and there's no libkvoctraincore.install -- should I make one and put the relevant .so inside?
[11:28] <Riddell> apokryphos: sounds like a good id,ea yes
[11:49] <amu> gn8 all
[11:49] <Riddell> night amu, thanks
[11:52] <amu> Riddell: np, letme know where's the bug