[12:02] some really accelent firewall === zorba64 [n=zorba64@dsl-210-211-91-151.qld.veridas.net] has joined #kubuntu [12:03] with bio solutions [12:04] real nazi [12:07] blackflag: been playing too much first person shooters today [12:07] ? [12:07] no, sorry Im not [12:08] what do you have?? [12:08] lol, I'm giving you a bit of a hard time because the language barrior is messing up your posts. [12:09] aha [12:10] :) === __Ace__ [n=love@h55l211.delphi.afb.lu.se] has joined #kubuntu [12:10] apokryphos++ [12:10] hi [12:11] tried to give you bot karma :) [12:11] apokryphos/0 :P [12:11] 8) [12:11] uuuuhhhh..... [12:11] some more [12:11] nikkia: whatwhat? [12:12] apokryphos: division by zero, results in you being NaN :) [12:13] nikkia: or... infinite ;-) [12:13] apokryphos: no, NaN isn't infinite, that's what the INF value is for :P [12:14] d'oh [12:14] apokryphos: consider yourself lucky, i could have made you -NaN :P [12:14] phew [12:16] whats NaN? [12:17] is there a way to change all the files in a folder and subfolders permissions in one go? [12:18] Fyawerx: ask nikkia :P [12:18] Pyf: yes; man chmod [12:18] so [12:19] sudo chmod 755 /folder [12:19] ? [12:19] nkwon as nothing [12:19] and that'll do all subfolders and shit...? [12:19] Pyf: no... [12:19] Pyf: check the man page; you'll have to use an option. [12:19] Fyawerx: Not A Number [12:20] ah [12:20] Fyawerx: its a value your CPU uses internally to represent numbers that are error conditions, there are 4 of them on most CPU architectures... [12:20] NaN, -NaN, INF and -INF [12:20] got it. [12:20] ive heard that sudo's caching the password when its given? is this true? and can it be looked at? [12:20] Pyf: a pretty way to view man pages, in Konqueror: #command or man:command [12:20] libben: that's how sudo is supposed to work, you can turn it off [12:21] libben: default is 15mins [12:21] libben: its a bit like saying 'i hear that when you press the 'a' key, it enters an 'a', can we look into this bug please' [12:22] 15 mins? [12:22] sometimes it goes just 2 mins between when im doing sudoing things [12:22] and need to type it agan [12:22] who do i check/change the time ? [12:23] 15minutes? i thought it was 5 [12:23] hm, I could be wrong [12:24] nope, it's 15 === damiano [n=damiano@host-84-222-196-215.cust-adsl.tiscali.it] has joined #kubuntu [12:24] you can change it in sudoers, of course === zorba64 [n=zorba64@dsl-210-211-91-151.qld.veridas.net] has left #kubuntu [] [12:24] and you can kill the session with sudo -k === Glin|Jol [i=bobo@cpe-66-108-244-133.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #kubuntu === klenje [n=klenje@85-18-14-43.fastres.net] has joined #kubuntu [12:29] nalioth: it used to be 5, a long long time ago [12:30] mine is 5 minutes by default === nybble [n=nybble@d36-29-58.home1.cgocable.net] has joined #kubuntu [12:34] apokryphos, what is a man command? [12:35] Pyf: man man 8). They're manual pages [12:35] they instruct you on the usage of commands, options, sometimes file-syntax etc etc [12:35] i dont see how that helps me with chmoding === _zxsykco [n=zxsykco@adsl-68-75-177-197.dsl.emhril.ameritech.net] has joined #kubuntu [12:36] pyf, it helps you learn the command's parameters, and thus not continue asking questions :) [12:36] pyf, the joy of learning, feeling accomplishment, etc [12:38] oic... [12:38] Pyf: the command you want to use is listed in the man page (and it tells you the correct syntax to you). Helping people help themselves is often better =) [12:38] i man chmod in terminal [12:39] Pyf: as I said, if you like, there's a prettier (and probably better viewable) way to view them. You can man:command, or #command. In this case: man:chmod (in Konqueror). [12:39] either way though, really. === nybble [n=nybble@d36-29-58.home1.cgocable.net] has joined #kubuntu [12:42] n8 [12:43] im sorry but im clearly not learning well, that page has nothing about subfolders [12:44] Pyf: check the recursive option :) [12:45] what does recursive mean? [12:45] as a word i mean [12:46] !dict recursive [12:46] gah; useless bot. [12:46] 1. An expression, such as a polynomial, each term of which is determined by application of a formula to preceding terms. [12:46] 2. A formula that generates the successive terms of a recursion. [12:46] Pyf: it does what you want, basically :). [12:47] if you recursively apply a change on X, it will apply it to X, and all its subfolders [12:47] that's what you're doing when you rm -r [12:49] wahey done it, and i now know what recusive means :) === manolista [n=manolist@81-203-86-234.user.ono.com] has joined #kubuntu === JRe [n=jre@pai34-2-82-226-199-36.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu [12:56] Dictionary 'recursive' of or relating to a recursion [12:56] hello everybody [12:57] Haha. Only like ten years late; uboto -- you do indeed crack me up. [12:57] or ubotu, even. === nybble [n=nybble@d36-29-58.home1.cgocable.net] has joined #kubuntu [01:00] can anyone tell me what was the command line to install a deb file trough terminal? === _hippie [n=hippie@pc-200-74-33-92.trinidad1.pc.metropolis-inter.com] has joined #kubuntu [01:00] musashiden, sudo dpkg -i /path/to/the.deb === pc22 [n=up2zion2@222.126.13.162] has joined #kubuntu [01:00] thank you seth_k [01:02] is there like a webpage or help file that contains all of these command lines? [01:06] musashiden: wiki.ubuntu.com/NewToUbuntu and /msg ubotu commands ..is what you want === bleertep [n=bleertep@port-212-202-201-202.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #kubuntu === jrj [n=jrj@65.118.74.73] has joined #kubuntu === jrj is now known as jrjx [01:09] hmm, one question. is it normal so much memory is being used? === kalil [n=kalil@ip177-226.sergipenet.com.br] has joined #kubuntu [01:09] total used free shared buffers cached [01:09] Mem: 631 592 38 0 80 318 === kalil is now known as uhauhahauhuaauh [01:10] musashiden: 194MB of actually usage [01:10] Yes; Linux performs other operations when you're not running a lot of stuff [01:10] musashiden: depending on what you're doing that's either a bit high or about right [01:11] musashiden: the buffers + cached are essentially "dynamic ram discs" managed by the OS as a means to use the RAM you have to keep the system perkier [01:11] aseigo: iam not runing anything exept for Konversation wich is the IRC program [01:12] musashiden: konvi can easily take 20-40MB depending history settings, #of channels, etc [01:12] musashiden: if you have other apps that are "preloaded" such as konq, ff, ooo, etc, those will also take up memory [01:13] musashiden: press Ctrl-Esc to see the process table and what is using what [01:14] musashiden, I have a gig of ram and it's all being used [01:14] that's what I bought it for === Xorlev [n=xorlev@unaffiliated/xorlev] has joined #kubuntu [01:14] The system will give it up as apps need it [01:15] i see [01:15] woohoo... got samba working. pretty easy it was too... 2easy even [01:15] nite [01:16] just install and edit a line with a word share. [01:16] and it was done === softzcar [n=softzcar@200.93.67.166] has joined #kubuntu === Phily [n=phil@ip062.195-51-69.sogetel.net] has joined #kubuntu === Octane [n=octane@dsl092-100-149.nyc2.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #kubuntu === `Nomad [n=Bob@stjhnbsu67w-142167000083.nb.aliant.net] has joined #kubuntu === chavo [n=chavo@217.sub-70-196-175.myvzw.com] has joined #kubuntu [01:28] musashiden: so you can see how it's used.. open kinfocenter, click memory [01:29] ok [01:29] under ms windows the only use it reports is the app data === ORiON [n=orion@cpe-70-117-0-232.satx.res.rr.com] has joined #kubuntu === Phily [n=phil@ip062.195-51-69.sogetel.net] has left #kubuntu ["Parti"] [01:38] hmm, weird [01:39] i cant find Kinstaller, but iam pretty sure i had it before i erased my computer [01:39] i got it from a package trough Kynaptic [01:39] but is not there anymore === arafat [n=arafat@p54981E8F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu [01:40] you meen kpackage? [01:40] no, Kinstaller [01:41] is a application that compiles and installs .tar.gz files automatically [01:41] hoary? [01:42] I remember now.. it's not in breezy [01:42] hoary [01:43] kpackage does almost the same thing [01:44] does it compiles and install .tar.gz files? [01:52] musashiden: there is another [01:52] that does tgz [01:52] lemme go look for it [01:52] here ya go [01:52] http://www.gnu.org/software/sourceinstall/sourceinstall.html [01:53] make sure you read the article linked from that page [01:54] how am i suppose to install it since is a .tar.gz file? === Chambers_ [n=Thom@pcp02906040pcs.roylok01.mi.comcast.net] has joined #kubuntu [01:56] tar -xzvf file.tar.gz [01:56] will untar it [01:57] and how do i install it? [01:58] cause i know how to untar it, i bet everyone knows how to === _tonio [n=tonio@tonio.planetemu.net] has joined #kubuntu [01:59] but i dont know how to install the stuff inside a a tar [01:59] <_tonio> hi guys [01:59] <_tonio> little problem, I really need hep this time ;) [01:59] <_tonio> I've crashed the partition table with fdisk [01:59] <_tonio> stupid error....., my system is still up, but the partition table refers to no partition... [02:00] <_tonio> How to restore it ? === tenshiKur0 [n=tenshiKu@S0106000d93cb5211.vc.shawcable.net] has joined #kubuntu [02:00] _tonio: ask uncle google "gpart homepage" === _nyn_ [n=_nyn_@l05m-212-194-120-39.d4.club-internet.fr] has joined #kubuntu [02:01] <_tonio> nalioth: fantastic ;) === sorush20 [n=sorush20@82-43-184-143.cable.ubr07.newm.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #kubuntu [02:02] _tonio: ;) [02:02] <_tonio> another question, cause I really have a problem for automounting devices.... [02:02] <_tonio> I want to destroy partitions on my usb2 drive. [02:03] <_tonio> launchin cfdisk, then destroying partition, recreating linux type partitions, and writing to disk [02:03] <_tonio> mount tels me that the partition type is incorrect blabla, and dmesg refers to ntfs.... [02:03] <_tonio> have an idea ? === phil_ [n=phil@ip062.195-51-69.Sogetel.net] has joined #kubuntu [02:05] _tonio: did you completely wipe the usb stick? [02:06] <_tonio> not a usb stick [02:06] <_tonio> it is an HDD [02:06] <_tonio> I completly removed all partitions [02:06] <_tonio> recreating new ones, but they are not mountable [02:06] <_tonio> I don't understand..... [02:07] <_tonio> nalioth: gpart doesn't recognize ext2......... damn ! [02:07] <_tonio> ext3 [02:08] _tonio: are you sure it doesnt recognize ext3? it IS a *nix program [02:08] <_tonio> no [02:08] <_nyn_> hi. does anyone here have a clue as to how to send mail (with attachments) via the command-line? there's gotta be a simple way to do it... surpised that i haven't been able to find anything yet... [02:08] <_tonio> but it find ext2 partitions [02:08] <_tonio> i'll convert them to ext 3 after so it is okay ;) [02:08] <_tonio> my problem is with this fu***g external hdd [02:09] <_tonio> I can't mount anything, that incredible ! [02:14] <_tonio> anyway gpart seems to give good results :) [02:14] <_tonio> nalioth: that's the good news ;) tnaks ;) [02:14] _tonio: np === _lon [n=lon@24.176.185.189] has joined #kubuntu === phil__ [n=phil@ip062.195-51-69.Sogetel.net] has joined #kubuntu === lon_ [n=lon@24.176.185.189] has joined #kubuntu === lon_ [n=lon@24.176.185.189] has left #kubuntu ["Konversation] [02:18] <_tonio> nalioth: what would you use to create a fat32 partition on an sda drive ? [02:18] <_tonio> cfdisk makes me crazy actually === jrattner1 [n=jrattner@uhartford216126.hartford.edu] has joined #kubuntu [02:19] _tonio: g- or qt- parted [02:20] <_tonio> that is not stupid ;) [02:21] <_tonio> why going with the cli when good graphical tools can do the job ;) === jsubl2 [n=jsubl2@72.48.95.220] has joined #kubuntu [02:23] <_nyn_> ok. it turns out that mutt does have a cli for sending mail... thought it was all curses based.... === Chambers- [n=Thom@pcp02906040pcs.roylok01.mi.comcast.net] has joined #kubuntu [02:29] _nyn_:mail from the mailx package [02:30] <_nyn_> last i checked, it couldn't send attachments [02:31] <_nyn_> godzero: but mutt seems to able to do the job. just the need to figure out how to tell it to use sendymail as the mta === _tonio [n=tonio@tonio.planetemu.net] has joined #kubuntu [02:36] <_tonio> nalioth: finally it is okay with qtparted ;) thaks !! [02:37] <_tonio> there is really something going wrong with cfdisk....... [02:37] <_tonio> I hope gpart will do the job for mu hda [02:37] <_tonio> myhda === loas [n=loas@201008006219.user.veloxzone.com.br] has joined #kubuntu === F_E [n=f_e@pD9535BFD.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #kubuntu === PaloDeQueso [n=palodequ@pcp02819991pcs.lwrswt01.pa.comcast.net] has joined #kubuntu [02:42] I installed a metabar plugin for konqueror, how do I then use it? [02:42] It doesn't show up anywhere? [02:42] PaloDeQueso, is the sidebar showing? [02:42] Yes. [02:42] and it's not there? [02:42] right click it [02:43] right click it? [02:43] and go to -> Add New [02:43] ok. [02:43] the other mouse button [02:43] ok [02:43] is it in there? [02:43] oh sweet, thanks. === SbCl3 [n=sbcl3@pcp0010580302pcs.coatsv01.pa.comcast.net] has joined #kubuntu [02:43] having a problem...when i installed the mbr was on a hdd that i now want to take out. how do i install grub to the mbr of a different hdd? [02:44] no problem [02:44] :) [02:44] little off topic but i never see anyone in moto4lin anyone herre do any phone modding? [02:45] anyone know? === _tonio [n=tonio@tonio.planetemu.net] has joined #kubuntu [02:47] having a problem...when i installed the mbr was on a hdd that i now want to take out. how do i install grub to the mbr of a different hdd? [02:51] hmmm, what does this means? [02:51] configure: error: no acceptable C compiler found in $PATH [02:51] See `config.log' for more details. [02:52] but i dont see anything useful in the config.log [02:52] SbCl3: Are you able to boot to xp (I guest u dual boot) with a boot disk [02:52] musashiden: you need to install a compiler (sudo apt-get install build-essential or install build-essential using your favourite package manager) [02:52] ideas for Dapper welcome: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuDapperGoals [02:53] phil: yes [02:53] i just typed "grub-install /dev/sda"...does that automatically install what kubuntu did during installation? [02:53] SbCl3: professinal? [02:53] yes [02:54] SbCl3: Look at this page if you want to rewrite xp mbr to the boot device or another hd a metabar plugin for konqueror, how do I then use it? [02:54] It doesn't show up anywhere? [02:54] PaloDeQueso, is the sidebar showing? [02:54] <-- Chambers_ has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) [02:54] Yes. [02:54] and it's not there? [02:55] SbCl3: Look at this page if you want to rewrite xp mbr to the boot device or another hd http://www.microsoft.com/resources/documentation/windows/xp/all/proddocs/en-us/bootcons_fixmbr.mspx [02:55] phil__: ? [02:56] ug, i don't want to go into windows [02:56] how is it done on _linux_? [02:56] i just need grub to go to ubuntu. i won't have windows after taking out this drive [02:56] *kubuntu [02:57] SbCl3: look at this page http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/history/357491 === op [n=op@c-69-180-43-207.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #kubuntu [02:58] i have a quickie...is the /ect/init.d the processes that get loaded on a boot? [02:58] _tonio: glad you got fixed up [02:59] SbCl3: you are correct [02:59] k [02:59] it's no wonder kubuntu boots so slowly... [02:59] um, iam getting this error [02:59] checking for X... configure: error: Can't find X includes. Please check your installation and add the correct paths! [02:59] SbCl3: init is a script that starts the different services in a given order [02:59] musashiden: install "xlibs-dev" [03:00] SbCl3: Why does it boot slowly [03:01] okay i had a drive that was ntfs format so i used "sudo mkdosfs -F 32 /dev/hdg1" to convert it to fat32 i think that worked fine then i mounted it as a fat 32 drive but when i try to right stuff to the drive it says access denied. When i am mounting it do i need to specify who can read and right to the drive or does it do that. ALso is there a way i can check to see if it is infact a fat32 drive now? [03:01] <_tonio> nalioth: damn gpart is loooooooooooooooooooooooooooong to scan.... [03:01] thanks nalioth [03:01] nalioth++ [03:01] it boots tons of things i don't need [03:01] op: use fdisk to print partitiontables and type [03:02] SbCl3: Be very carfull when u edit init.d [03:02] can you write to it as root? [03:02] i tried using fdisk -l but it shows nothing on the sreen. === Jeezis [n=roger@4.23.226.250] has joined #kubuntu [03:02] i probably can but i am not root on the system i used the setup wizard and it made me make this username so wheni run things i have to type sudo first [03:04] op: try sudo "mv dummyanyfile /mountpoint/dummyanyfile" [03:04] op: i'm afraid you've not converted any data on that ntfs drive [03:04] or type su in console and try to write to it [03:04] op, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/InstallingANewHardDrive [03:04] i can't seem to edit it :? [03:04] it's a directory [03:04] according to vim [03:04] nalioth: u can't convert ntfs to fat32 without formating!!!!!!!!!!! [03:04] use that guide, it worked for me :) [03:05] 2 GIG limit on fat32 [03:05] thought that was only with xp [03:05] are you sure? [03:05] theres no 2gig limit === sproingie [i=foobar@64-121-2-59.c3-0.sfrn-ubr8.sfrn.ca.cable.rcn.com] has joined #kubuntu [03:05] nalioth: what do you mean? === ..[topic/#kubuntu:Riddell] : Dapper ideas: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuDapperGoals | Kubuntu Breezy Preview http://www.kubuntu.org/breezy-preview.php | test adept (in Breezy): sudo apt-get install adept | Non-kde-related questions: #ubuntu as well | Nederlands #kubuntu-nl | Espaol #kubuntu-es | Deutsch #kubuntu-de| Unofficial Kubuntu FAQ http://kudos.berlios.de/ [03:05] i got a 30 gb partition with fat32 [03:05] NTFS has no limit (well in theory) [03:06] are you sure? i think they said something like 80 tb [03:06] op: there are no data converting tools in linux for ntfs [03:06] um, iam getting another error [03:06] checking for Qt... configure: error: Qt (>= Qt 3.0) (headers and libraries) not found. Please check your installation! [03:06] xp fat32 - 2 gigs [03:06] 32 [03:06] http://www.microsoft.com/resources/documentation/Windows/XP/all/reskit/en-us/Default.asp?url=/resources/documentation/Windows/XP/all/reskit/en-us/prkc_fil_tdrn.asp [03:06] heh, according to that big ass link [03:07] oh so how do i make this drive have read write access in linux? [03:07] i don't think linux can read/write to ntfs [03:07] only read [03:07] can anyone help me out? [03:08] SbCl3: if the ntfs file system is not encrypted it is possible to read and write with linux but it is not safe (yet) TO WRITE [03:08] linux can write ntfs, but only to change the content of an existing file [03:08] it can't create, delete, do anything with attributes, or work with small files that are in the mft [03:08] musashiden: you have to install qr developpement [03:08] and the file has to be bigger [03:09] phil_: whats that? [03:09] er, nevermind [03:09] musashiden: oops i meant QT developpement files [03:09] topologolinux uses ntfs write to write to loopback filesystems in ntfs === _andrea [n=andrea@200.75.120.136] has joined #kubuntu [03:09] phil_: can you tell me the command line? [03:10] the apt-get line [03:10] sproingie: i wouldn't write to ntfs to do anything [03:11] the write support is solid enough. restricted enough to keep you out of trouble [03:11] so if i have a ntfs drive is there anyway to convert it to fat32 in linu? [03:11] linux? [03:11] cp [03:11] op: no you cannot convert ntfs to fat32 due to file size limitation [03:11] you lose all the metadata ... you would anyway [03:12] you're trying to save your data, op? [03:12] op: if you want to keep the original data [03:12] is there any free space on it at all? [03:12] phil_: can you tell me the apt-get line? [03:13] musashiden: i see you're compiling already [03:14] godzero: yup :) [03:14] musashiden: "sudo apt-get install libqt3-dev" [03:14] musashiden: use kynaptic instead and search for qt select the developpement package [03:14] but iam getting thousands of library errors [03:14] !tell musashiden about apt [03:14] !tell musashiden about synaptic [03:14] musashiden: read a little, learn a lot [03:14] wwhen compiling, it needs to lick to libs, gets that info from the -dev packages [03:15] Nakkel: synaptic kynaptic same thing except kynaptic simpler interface [03:15] i gotta learn to type [03:15] musashiden: what are u trying to compile [03:15] kynaptic. bleh. i'd rather use apt-get [03:15] phil_: Kinstaller === sproingie loves aptitude [03:15] musashiden: I would not touch Kinstaller for now [03:16] how come? [03:16] musashiden: apt-get synaptic kynaptic are tour best friend [03:16] he wants tar.gzs [03:16] kpackage'll do it [03:16] yah, i want tar.gz [03:17] exactly [03:17] musashiden: has new user 99% of the software you need is availaible thru apt-get synaptic... [03:17] does alien do it, or just rpms === troy [n=troy@wnpgmb01dc2-28-41.dynamic.mts.net] has joined #kubuntu [03:17] phil_: i know, but Kinstaller is not there ;) [03:18] <_tonio> nalioth: little question about gpart usage, I feel confused.. === tron [n=tron@201.247.88.96] has joined #kubuntu [03:18] <_tonio> according to the man the correct command to scan, and write the new partition table should be [03:18] <_tonio> gpart -W /dev/hda /dev/hda [03:19] <_tonio> but that doesn't seem to work.... [03:19] nope alien only does binary gzs, not source === tron [n=tron@201.247.88.96] has left #kubuntu ["Konversation] [03:21] musashiden: try kpackage. Plus it's really bad for a new person to compile on his system... conflicts. apt isn't aware.. etc [03:21] _tonio: what does it do? [03:22] _tonio: the usage states it could take a while [03:24] <_tonio> well I'm prompted that -W option is invalid [03:24] <_tonio> I retyped the same command and that's okay -> it late and my eyes have a problem apparently lol [03:24] _tonio: ya gotta be kiddin (did you run it usind sudo?) [03:24] <_tonio> it seems to go now ;) [03:25] <_tonio> yes I did, but well it is 3am in france and my eyes get closed, I have certainly done an error the first time :) === SbCl3 [n=sbcl3@pcp0010580302pcs.coatsv01.pa.comcast.net] has left #kubuntu ["Konversation] [03:26] <_tonio> in any case thanks a lot for you help even if the next reboot is a failure ^^ [03:26] _tonio: time for bed then [03:27] <_tonio> nalioth: I can't, I have to finish a doc or todays meeting.... third time in 2 weeks I have to work all the night === troy notes the topic -- is 'Dapper' new codename? [03:28] ttyl peeps === nybble [n=nybble@d36-29-58.home1.cgocable.net] has left #kubuntu ["Leaving"] [03:28] troy: Dapper Drake [03:28] what does this error means? [03:28] checking for KDE... configure: error: [03:28] in the prefix, you've chosen, are no KDE headers installed. This will fail. [03:28] So, check this please and use another prefix! [03:29] i dont get it === hydrogen [n=hydrogen@londonderry-cuda2-68-171-243-203.lndnnh.adelphia.net] has joined #kubuntu [03:29] it's not finding the KDE development headers [03:30] oh [03:30] you configure script, that is [03:30] do you have the kde-devel package installed? [03:30] nope :P [03:30] well there ya go :-) [03:30] :) === troy hopes kde4 will be stable by 6.10 :) [03:32] musashiden: use kynaptic and search for kde*-dev === fatejudger [n=fatejudg@c-67-169-87-144.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #kubuntu [03:32] nalioth: i know, installing :) === ToyMan2 [n=stuq@user-12lcqia.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #kubuntu [03:33] heh, a hurricane is coming this way [03:33] apt-cache show kde-devel [03:33] then do "apt-get install kde-devel" === op [n=op@c-69-180-43-207.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #kubuntu [03:33] dooglio: i know, i am already installing thme [03:34] them* [03:34] what is Adept? [03:35] musashiden: sorry, i missed your penultimate comment :-) [03:35] the new package manager [03:35] i tried it, like synaptic better tho [03:35] dooglio: lol [03:35] Fyawerx: i was going to ask [03:35] synaptic is pretty cool [03:35] plus at least for me when i did the install for adept it removed most of the other managers [03:36] synaptic is better with the industrial GTK theme [03:36] kynaptic and synaptic are basically the same [03:36] synaptic was faster on searches for me too [03:36] give me a break [03:36] kynaptic is just dynamic [03:36] i mean as opposted to adept, sorry [03:36] so it may take more processing power [03:36] oh [03:37] i did a ubuntu install then added kdesktop, so i still mix and match apps when in kde, i use the regular synaptic lol === vis` [n=crap@c-67-169-198-162.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #kubuntu === Mirussa [n=mirussa@c-67-166-123-104.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has joined #kubuntu [03:39] it was the search function that would hang for me in adept, since it searches after every keystroke i think, rather than just let you type in what you want and hit search [03:39] havnt tried it on my desktop yet which is more powerful, just my laptop [03:40] where is the repository that holds adept? [03:41] hmm [03:41] !adept [03:41] Adept (successor of Kapture) is a package manager for Kubuntu. See http://web.ekhis.org/adept.html === Tonio- [n=tonio@tonio.planetemu.net] has joined #kubuntu === Tonio- is away: Away at the moment === Tonio- is back. [03:46] Tonio-: no /away msgs in #*buntu channels, please [03:46] okay, I was just testing konversation ;) [03:46] sorry [03:47] Tonio-: we all learn incrementally, don't apologize [03:47] well the politic depends on the channels [03:47] I personnaly come from channels where saying that we are away is generally suggested to prevent people from talking to ghosts ^^ :) === slackbob [n=chatzill@156.12.150.233] has joined #kubuntu [03:48] I will remember for #*buntu ;) [03:49] -> configuration -> freenode -> no away messages, done ;) [03:49] Hello, im sorry for starting with a question but i am thinking of swiching from slackware to kubuntu. as such i am acustom to compiling from source. Will this pose a problem when i swich [03:50] slackbob: not at all [03:51] slackbob: why should it be ? === regeya [n=shane@adsl-sp3-cdale176.micgi.com] has joined #kubuntu [03:51] the only poblem is that you profile might not be reusable, but that's all ;) [03:51] i had a fight with suse. it didnt like when i compiled from source [03:51] the packages that is [03:51] Uhad that problem switching from fedora to ubuntu [03:52] well you can built from source with apt, like you can do with gentoo [03:52] but if you are a fan of ompilation, I would suggest gentoo in the first place instead of ubuntu [03:52] but that still means im using the central repository. i compile to get the latest stuff [03:53] gento (when i used it) had a number of outdated packages [03:53] slackbob: If you like to install your linux distro in 3 days go for GENTOO! [03:53] it took me 3.5 ^_^ [03:53] you can compile from the authors tarball if you like, but well, you would use all the advantages of apt, so I don't see the point using ubuntu..... [03:54] I thought the point of gentoo was th epackages were 4.5 seconds old [03:54] it took me 1.5, but I wil never rinstall a gentoo, that's all I know lol [03:54] oh, the adept site is down, but googles cache still works, its what i used to install it, for whoever was asking [03:54] no, the point is that they are blisteringly fast [03:54] http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:akFCsAEZCekJ:web.ekhis.org/adept.html+&hl=en&client=firefox-a [03:54] can you imagine deploying gentoo professionaly ? [03:54] oh, he left [03:55] Tonio: AGHHHHHHH [03:55] when will my computer be ready ? well, common friday, it might be okay ^^ === slackbob twitches [03:55] godzero: running gentoo and keeping up to date involves that your cpu main load is gcc all the time at 50% (if you use a nice nice value) [03:55] I got a celeron. nothing is blisteringly fast - even gentoo [03:56] i would only go back to gento if i got 64bit dual core that would show more advantages on self compiled software [03:56] godzero: well in any case I don't see the real diffrence between "emerge" and "apt-build source" [03:56] I compiled KDE once.. was like 1.5 days === boulala [n=boulala@d213-103-192-59.cust.tele2.fr] has joined #kubuntu === slackbob pats godzero on the back [03:57] how large is the apt system anyway? [03:57] if someone has an explanation I would liketo know..... I keep fighting with gentoo users that there is no difference, but well "gentoo is the only" one for them [03:57] hi [03:57] gentoo users are closer to bsd addicts that to "normal" linux users, that's all I know ;) [03:57] haha [03:57] omg, my eyes! [03:58] what is this adept thing? [03:58] it's horrible... [03:58] i loved slackware because i could muck around in the files and no gui would get angry [03:58] Tonio-: When you spend 10 days compling your system u just don't want to go back to anything because you can't justify waitsting so much time [03:58] slackware has old crappy packages [03:58] that's why I switched to Kubuntu [03:59] phil_ hahaha that's exactly that ;) They have to convince themselves that they have done the good choice ;) === krawek [n=krawek@200.24.112.218] has joined #kubuntu [03:59] yes, i do miss dependency checking [03:59] hi [03:59] I have a problem with breezy [03:59] i once tried to compile somthing that apeared to need itself as a dependency [04:00] dpkg: error al procesar /var/cache/apt/archives/language-pack-kde-es-base_20050907_all.deb (--unpack): [04:00] intentando sobreescribir `/usr/share/locale-langpack/es/LC_MESSAGES/kaffeine.m [04:00] slackbob: whwre you compiling MAKE [04:00] krawek: what kind ? [04:00] slackbob: using MAKE [04:00] no, i think it was beta software [04:00] slackbob: it's called gcc [04:00] i have a probleme [04:00] problem * === dell500 [n=dell500@12-216-244-28.client.mchsi.com] has joined #kubuntu [04:01] boulala: we have all problems we will try to help === troy [n=troy@wnpgmb01dc2-28-41.dynamic.mts.net] has joined #kubuntu [04:01] how to reconfigure "debconf interface"? [04:01] i can connect on IRC, FTP but not on HTTP (with firefox for example) [04:01] but, ping works, lwp-request works and not lynx :( [04:01] I need to get this crappy adept program off of my computer [04:01] I need it to go back to normal [04:02] fatejudger: it is not crapy, it is beta software ;) [04:02] boulala: probably dns issue [04:02] that's the difference ;) [04:03] but with wget, ping or lwp-request, http works [04:03] boulala: have you set firefox to use a proxy server [04:03] ping google.com works? [04:03] yeap it works [04:03] i'm not using a proxy server [04:04] krawek: sudo dpkg-reconfigure language-pack-kde-es-base [04:04] boulala: have u tried other web browser [04:04] krawek: did you try this ? [04:04] konqueror and lynx [04:04] same problem === chuso [n=chuso@240.Red-83-50-72.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #kubuntu === chuso [n=chuso@240.Red-83-50-72.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has left #kubuntu ["Konversation] [04:05] sometimes with konqueror, i can get google homepage, but it's hard [04:05] debconf: no se pudo inicializar la interfaz: Kde [04:05] Tonio-: beta software, bah [04:05] Tonio-: how to reconfigure debconf interface? [04:05] Tonio-: that doesn't excuse its crappy UI [04:05] don't know :) [04:05] boulala: do you time out ? [04:05] no, no response... and i wait /( [04:05] :/ [04:05] sudo dpkg-reconfigure debconf ? [04:06] my modem is a Bewan USB ST [04:06] boulala: firefox konqueror will time out if it cant reach a domaine [04:06] sure but it doesn't [04:06] crappy ? I find it correct concerning the UI [04:06] tonio-: /usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure: debconf is broken or not fully installed [04:07] is there a french channel ? [04:07] krawek: synaptic -> reinstall that package :) [04:07] boulala: I'm french :) [04:07] cool ^^ [04:07] Tonio-: b [04:07] Tonio-: Bonjour [04:07] tonio: /usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure: language-pack-kde-es-base is not installed [04:07] boulala: Comment ca va bouboule [04:08] lol ca va ca va [04:08] phil_ salut, euh, tu pense que ca pas poser de probleme de causer en francais ici ? ca risque d'etre mal vuje pense :) [04:08] krawek: install the package it's calling for [04:08] Tonio-: Je crois que oui [04:08] so let's go in english ;) [04:08] yeap [04:08] so [04:08] Tonio-: What je ne understand pas [04:08] ah boulala you can help me ;) [04:08] monsieurs, si'l vous plait en #ubuntu-fr [04:09] are you with breezy adn up to date ? [04:09] ok, everyone, you convinced me. im heading to kubuntu [04:09] nalioth: I was telling him in french that talking in french was certainly not correct here [04:09] Nakkel: there is like 3 people in unbuntu-fr [04:09] i have breezy === incubii [n=incubii@61.14.142.131] has joined #kubuntu [04:09] pppd 2.4.3 [04:10] Tonio-: just a gentle reminder of ubuntu's language channels [04:10] wait me please... [04:10] boulala: Buy yourself a router and all your trouble will go away [04:10] boulala: I have a problem with ^ key, breezy and up to date, I can't write ^e correctly..... can you confirm this ? [04:10] ^etre m^eme [04:11] up to date, maybe... this is the last distro ^^ [04:11] boulala: it was working fine before last today's xorg update... [04:11] Tonio-: no problem here if u use kde you can setup your keyboard in the control panel [04:11] Tonio-: are you from france or canada because keyboards layout change from both countries [04:11] Tonio-: it will correct itself in the next update(s) [04:12] Tonio-: I think my xorg is up to date and have no problem [04:12] I can't install synaptic again [04:12] it says I have a dependency problem [04:12] phil_ france, and I tried, but that's a bit specific and there is no kde configuration for this [04:12] The following packages have unmet dependencies: [04:12] python-apt: Depends: libapt-pkg-libc6.3-5-3.9 [04:12] E: Broken packages [04:12] this is weird [04:13] nalioth: I hope so but I just wanted a confirmation that it was a problem with xorg and not my configuration :) [04:13] Please enter the installation path of the Mozilla, Netscape, [04:13] or Opera browser (i.e., /usr/lib/mozilla): [04:13] fatejudger: so install it [04:13] but when i enter it, it says this: WARNING: /home/adrian/install_flash_player_7_linux/usr/lib/kde3 is not a directory. [04:13] Tonio-: let me go check on my desktop [04:13] nalioth: it doesn't let me [04:13] nalioth: it says that package is up to date [04:13] any help? [04:13] Tonio-: give 3 minutes [04:14] musashiden: are you entering with proper syntax? "/usr/lib/mozilla" [04:14] anyone know if its possible to mount a p2k phone in linux? [04:14] k thanks phil_ [04:14] i know it shows up as /dev/ttyACM0 [04:14] Tonio-: works fine look [04:14] fatejudger: open a terminal [04:14] nalioth: I did [04:14] fatejudger: and type "sudo apt-get -f install" [04:15] nalioth: I'm trying to use apt-get to install it [04:15] Tonio-: I'm using canada french [04:15] nalioth: yes [04:15] phil did you reboot since last xorg update ? [04:15] Tonio-: yep [04:15] shit lol ;) [04:15] any idea on the way to correct the issue ? [04:15] Tonio-: are you from france [04:15] yep [04:15] Tonio-: well i'm using canadain config [04:15] nalioth: ok, what did that do? [04:15] Tonio-: not the same has yours [04:16] ah, there is certainly a difference in the keymapping [04:16] fatejudger: you were watching the output. what DID it do? [04:16] Tonio-: Yes their is a difference [04:16] okay so this is not a good test, I'll wait a few days, that is not very handicaping [04:16] Tonio-: set your keyboard layout and press shift-(key to right of p) than e it will work [04:16] phil_: thanks [04:16] nalioth: I can pastebin it [04:16] nalioth: it's only a few lines long [04:17] nalioth: but it isn't really anything useful [04:17] fatejudger: did it run w/o errors? [04:17] nalioth: well yeah [04:17] nalioth: but it says that apt is the newest version [04:17] nalioth: and doesn't install the package [04:17] fatejudger: what package? [04:17] Note, selecting apt instead of libapt-pkg-libc6.3-5-3.9 [04:17] apt is already the newest version. [04:18] fatejudger: where are you getting that libapt package? [04:18] nalioth: that's what it says to install when I try to apt-get synaptic [04:18] um, whats the address of the folder where konqueror is? [04:18] breezy update is pretty busy. a package every few(10-20) minutes today [04:19] nalioth: synaptic: Depends: libapt-pkg-libc6.3-5-3.9 [04:19] fatejudger: paste me your /etc/sources.list (in a pastebin, not here) [04:19] nalioth: that would be the output when I try and apt-get synaptic [04:19] nalioth: yeah [04:19] nalioth: ok [04:23] nalioth: sorry it took me so long, I've been trying to comment and uncomment out some sources to see if I could get it working [04:23] nalioth: http://pastebin.com/369612 [04:24] fatejudger: comment all unofficial repos out until you get your synaptic back [04:24] installing the libapt file you keep pasting will most likely hose your box [04:25] nalioth: ? [04:25] fatejudger: comment out the non official repos, reload your apt db and insatll synaptic [04:28] nalioth: nothing [04:28] nalioth: I did apt-get upgrade [04:28] nalioth: and then tried to reinstall synaptic === douglas [n=douglas@pcp02819991pcs.lwrswt01.pa.comcast.net] has joined #kubuntu [04:32] checking for Qt... configure: error: Qt (>= Qt 3.0) (headers and libraries) not found. Please check your installation! ??? === Kheldoron [n=kim@h196n1fls14o1013.telia.com] has joined #kubuntu [04:33] douglas: install "libqt3-dev" [04:33] hey! [04:33] can any one here help me whit a few things.. just installed kubuntu for the first time :) [04:33] nalioth: I can't install kynaptic either [04:34] Kheldoron: well go ahead and explain your problem [04:34] fatejudger: you have major problems, my friend [04:34] nalioth: yeah, I figured that one out === boulala [n=boulala@d213-103-192-59.cust.tele2.fr] has joined #kubuntu [04:34] nalioth: and all I did was install adept! [04:34] fatejudger: that one thing will do it [04:34] this could happen to anyone === boulala [n=boulala@d213-103-192-59.cust.tele2.fr] has left #kubuntu ["Konversation] [04:35] ok.. first.. i havent got enough access to do some stuff i want to.. is there like defualt admin and password? [04:35] cause i haven entered any === varadi [n=varadi@PC185.konkoly.hu] has joined #kubuntu [04:35] fatejudger: which is why we advise not using non official repos (if you HAVE to have it, compile it from source) [04:35] Kheldoron: it should have prompted you for a password during install [04:35] !tell Kheldoron about root [04:35] only for my user account.. [04:35] fatejudger: not here, root is disabled [04:35] Kheldoron: read what ubotu sent you, please [04:36] nalioth: I thought it prompted you to enter a password [04:36] nalioth: for sudo [04:36] thank you! [04:36] fatejudger: only for your user account [04:36] nalioth: yeah, that's what I mean === Tonio- [n=tonio@tonio.planetemu.net] has joined #kubuntu === jrattner1 [n=jrattner@uhartford216126.hartford.edu] has joined #kubuntu [04:37] adept is laughing at me [04:37] adept: connecting processClick har har [04:37] adept: connecting processClick har har [04:37] sproingie: adept is laughing at us all [04:38] sproingie: I tried uninstalling it [04:38] sproingie: and it punished me [04:38] sproingie: never again will I be able to use a GUI based package manager [04:38] ouch [04:38] fatejudger: it's not that bad [04:38] nalioth: hey, I liked synaptic [04:38] just reinstall the gui package manager that's broken [04:38] nalioth: apt-get blows [04:38] sproingie: lol, that would be the FIRST thing I tried to do [04:38] sproingie: read ^^^^ fatejudger can't [04:39] sproingie: if you have any insight into the problem [04:39] sproingie: it would be greatly appriciated === _boulala [n=boulala@d213-103-2-65.cust.tele2.fr] has joined #kubuntu [04:39] fatejudger: sadly i don't === _boulala [n=boulala@d213-103-2-65.cust.tele2.fr] has left #kubuntu ["Konversation] === sproingie uses aptitude pretty much exclusively [04:39] nalioth: he should be able to reinstall it via apt-get, no? [04:39] or was that hosed too? [04:40] aptitude i think is nicer than apt-get, you can uninstall dependencies cant you [04:40] sproingie: he's bodgered his machine with unofficial packages and he can't back out gracefully [04:40] sproingie: I've been trying to install it via apt-get this whole time [04:40] nalioth: oh cmon [04:40] nalioth: unofficial packages? [04:40] sproingie: nor can he install any gui pkg mangler frontends [04:41] fatejudger: /msg ubotu sources [04:41] nalioth: it's unofficial? hm, i thought i only had official repos in mine. [04:41] fatejudger: if it aint on that list, it's not official [04:41] nalioth: that was probably the first unofficial package I've installed besides wine [04:41] fatejudger: it only takes one [04:41] nalioth: well wine didn't do it [04:41] or was this some bleeding edge version of adept? [04:41] adept installed fine for me when i did it, it uninstalled apt-get and synaptic i believe tho [04:41] nalioth: why would it prevent me from install a legit package? [04:41] wine won't do it because it doesn't interface with the package management system itself [04:42] because it installs newer dependices that apt-get cant use i think [04:42] Fyawerx: yeah, it uninstalls synaptic [04:42] fatejudger: because you have pkgs installed that wont let the official pkgs work [04:42] nalioth: so basically it's apt-get or adept [04:42] or aptitude, or synaptic/k [04:42] fatejudger: you can always remove every gui item you have [04:43] Fyawerx: I can't get kynaptic or synaptic to work again [04:43] can you reinstall over your current system with the install disc (not to you, general question i mean) [04:43] they need to have an undo function in apt-get === vis` [n=crap@c-67-169-198-162.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #kubuntu [04:43] Fyawerx: no. once you've updated with apt, your cd is obsolete [04:43] fatejudger: i have an idea [04:43] i mean to not lose data [04:43] well u see the reason why i need to log in as root/admin is that i have like 30 gig, on a partition that i cant mount.. Any ideas? [04:43] nalioth: what? [04:43] fatejudger: it may totally break your box [04:44] can you just reinstall the base system and then reupdate? [04:44] Fyawerx: if he wants to back up his $HOMEDIR [04:44] libqt3-dev does not seem to be a packaged [04:44] fatejudger: go to packages.ubuntu.com and d/l the synaptic deb for your arch [04:45] douglas: search in synaptic for "libqt3" and install the -dev part === phil__ is now known as philyco [04:45] !info libqt3-dev [04:45] libqt3-dev: (Qt development files), section libdevel, is optional. Version: 3:3.3.3-7ubuntu3 (hoary), Packaged size: 37 kB, Installed size: 128 kB [04:45] kheidoron: ? [04:46] khelderon: sudo mount [04:46] what? [04:46] oh.. can i use that as a command? [04:46] nalioth: this is probably a stupid question, since I probably can't [04:46] yep [04:46] nalioth: but can I download apt from ubuntu.packages.com [04:47] nalioth: and uninstall/reinstall on my system? [04:47] fatejudger: i just asked you to go get it. read above please [04:47] cool.. let me try that [04:47] I currently have a dual boot windows/ubuntu set up. I am brand new to linux and would like to try out a couple more distros. If I wanted to install kubuntu/suse over ubuntu (completely get rid of ubuntu) and try those out, without destroying the dual boot or windows..is that easily done? [04:48] vis`: pssst, kubuntu is ubuntu, only with kde (install "kubuntu-desktop") [04:48] vis`: ya.. when it gets to the partion part of install, just write over the ubuntu [04:48] godzero: still dosent appera.. [04:48] nalioth: I'm talking about downloading apt, not synaptic [04:48] godzero: please [04:48] nalioth: I'll try the synaptic thing first though [04:49] nalioth yea I know..I've never seen/tried kde..didn't know if I needed to do full kubuntu install for that [04:50] vis`: installing "kubuntu-desktop" in ubuntu isnt that much [04:50] godzero what would such a partition be called do you think? hda? or some nuber after? [04:51] kheldoron: create a directory where you want to mount it to then sudo /dev/hdX /path/to/mount/point [04:51] sudo mount /dev/hdX /path/to/mount/point [04:52] what does it show up as right now? [04:52] must specify the file system type? [04:52] godzero and nal thanks for the help. [04:53] sometimes [04:53] nalioth: ok, I have a plan, why don't I dpkg -r apt and then reinstall the package? [04:53] what format is the drive? linux, ntfs.. [04:54] i dont think it got formatted.. so i bet its still windows.. [04:54] fatejudger: you can try that (make sure you have the deb available [04:54] do you want to format it first? [04:54] why not :) === philyco [n=phil@ip062.195-51-69.Sogetel.net] has left #kubuntu ["Parti"] [04:55] well first, gotta know where it is... === _boulala [n=boulala@d213-103-198-5.cust.tele2.fr] has joined #kubuntu === _boulala [n=boulala@d213-103-198-5.cust.tele2.fr] has left #kubuntu ["Konversation] [04:56] well in dev i find one hda1 (wich is mounted) and one hda [04:56] so i guess its the hda... [04:56] nalioth: i used sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop as I found in a tutorial and I get "reding package lists..done. Building dependency tree..done. E: Couldn't find package kubuntu-desktop. what am I missing [04:56] no hda is your harddrive, hda1 is prolly your boot partition [04:56] *reading [04:56] so how do i find the other one? [04:56] vis`: really? that's unusual [04:56] a second drive would usually be hdb [04:56] i made 2 partitions.. [04:57] vis`: you ARE using ubuntu right now, right? [04:57] nalioth correct [04:57] but its still the same drive.. just another partition [04:57] hda2?> [04:57] shouldnt it be hda2? [04:57] mabey [04:57] nalioth: Yes! It worked! [04:57] vis`: open synaptic an search for kubuntu [04:58] but i cant find no hda2 in dev.. [04:58] there is no /ved/hda2 or hda5? [04:58] fatejudger: lets get synaptic in now [04:58] hda, hda1 and hda.. [04:59] no.. hdc was the last one [04:59] no hda2 or 5 [04:59] hdc is prolly you cdrom/dvd [04:59] nalioth: I already apt-got synaptic [04:59] nalioth: that's why I said it worked [04:59] mabey i didnt get the partitoning right? [04:59] k, so it's not formated === _exec [n=dominik@p54AE0168.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu [04:59] it's ok [05:00] nalioth i'd love to..but I literally don't know what that is. I define the word NOOB for linux. this is my first distro [05:00] just wanted to se if it was formated [05:00] fatejudger: great! now remember, official repos or compiled from source works best [05:00] aha.. ok.. [05:00] !tell vis` about synaptic [05:00] can i do that now? [05:00] apt-get qtparted [05:01] apt-get install qtparted [05:01] nalioth: thanks a bunch [05:01] nalioth: I had totally forgotten about dpkg [05:01] nalioth: didn't think of it until you mentioned it [05:01] should i type both? [05:02] kheldoron: got it? [05:02] fatejudger: cool [05:02] no last one === eastwest [n=eastwest@203.215.93.130] has joined #kubuntu [05:02] my bad [05:02] fatejudger: if you need help compiling things, i'm around most all the time === eastwest is now known as irvin [05:02] access denied.. [05:02] sudo? [05:02] yep [05:03] nalioth not one thing for kubuntu in syn === othomas [n=othomas@71-12-17-242.dhcp.spbg.sc.charter.com] has joined #kubuntu [05:03] hi all [05:03] could not find package qtparted [05:03] nalioth: I usually compile things with checkinstall no problem [05:03] should be in universe [05:04] nalioth: I wanted to ask you though, is it safe to use multiverse? [05:04] huh? [05:04] nalioth: or would you consider that bad as well [05:04] have you added universe to sources.list? [05:04] vis`: that is really really weird [05:04] don think so.. [05:04] !info qtparted [05:04] qtparted: (A parted frontend using QT), section universe/x11, is optional. Version: 0.4.4-3ubuntu2 (hoary), Packaged size: 197 kB, Installed size: 724 kB [05:04] beginner :) [05:04] nalioth i guess so. it's a fresh install. like 2 weeks old..no changes made to system [05:04] :( [05:05] fatejudger: yes, uni and multi are great. be wary of backports (hoary) and extras [05:05] k ... edit /etc/sources.list uncomment the universe part. [05:05] nalioth: ok thanks [05:05] Kheldoron: qtparted is in universe [05:05] !tell Kheldoron about repos [05:05] Kheldoron: hoary ubuntu? [05:06] sudo nano /etc/sources.list [05:06] sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list [05:06] nalioth: when I upgrade with universe and multiverse uncommented it asks me to upgrade a whole range of KDE packages [05:06] yep sorry, i always forget /apt/ [05:07] nalioth: why aren't those part of the main repository? [05:08] fatejudger: great! [05:08] so how much should i uncomment? [05:08] fatejudger: legalities [05:08] nalioth: legalities? [05:09] fatejudger: yes, licence restrictions, etc [05:10] just the 2 line that start # deb... end in ....universe [05:10] cool [05:10] and to save? just exit? [05:10] save first [05:10] ctrl o === _boulala [n=boulala@d83-177-195-137.cust.tele2.fr] has joined #kubuntu [05:11] and now? the previous part? [05:11] sudo apt-get update === _boulala is now known as boulala [05:11] hey somethings doing something :) [05:12] done.. [05:12] yep, reading in the new files [05:12] sudo apt-get install qtparted [05:12] u are really good at this :) [05:13] I learn from these other guys [05:13] hehe.. i hope i will too one day :) [05:13] next? [05:13] alt-f2 [05:13] kdesu qtparted [05:14] extended partition right? [05:14] ya === ztonzy [n=ztonzy@blender/artist/ztonzy] has joined #kubuntu [05:15] then just mount it? [05:15] no, you gotta make a new home for it [05:15] Kheldoron: if you make an extended part, you'll have to put a logical drive inside [05:16] so i should have done a primary? [05:16] pick a spot, like /media/newpartion [05:16] no [05:16] extended is fine [05:17] ok.. should i mount it to media/newpartion? === boulala [n=boulala@d80-170-4-55.cust.tele2.fr] has joined #kubuntu [05:17] mount it where you want... just make a brand new folder for it [05:18] Kheldoron: linux is only limited by your knowledge (unlike a certain MS OS) [05:18] like example.. goto /media right click, new folder [05:18] Kheldoron: i personally have all my mounted HDs in /mnt [05:18] ok.. just tell me what to type.. its getting late here.. im getting stupid :) [05:18] incorrect [05:18] Kheldoron: it's your personal prefs [05:19] linux is limited by a lot more than your knowledge [05:19] hydrogen: really? [05:19] my hdds are in mnt, cds and thumbdrives in media [05:19] aye === boulala [n=boulala@d80-170-4-55.cust.tele2.fr] has left #kubuntu ["Konversation] [05:20] hydrogen: i've not come close to realizing all that can be done with linux on my boxen [05:20] correct, but there are still limits [05:20] hydrogen: there are limits to the universe [05:20] and most of the stuff you can do on linux can be done on windows too, just requires more inguity [05:20] kheldoron: go in konqueror... navigate where you want it right click (pick new folder) name it what you want [05:21] and limits right now include desktop usability, unless you are gonna pull the "you can just modify the code" arguement [05:21] nalioth: many of the things you can do on windows, you can't do on linux [05:21] nalioth: hardware support in Windows is unmatched by any other OS [05:21] nahg [05:21] that I disagree on === othomas now there's a new one [05:21] hydrogen: how so? [05:21] try getting windows run on a SGI Octane 2 [05:22] :P [05:22] let's continue in #kubuntu-offtopic, please (i'll be glad to debate there) [05:22] hydrogen: take for example many video cards [05:22] fatejudger: you are looking at one archeticture, there are many more that linux supports that windows doe snot [05:22] yes.. then? [05:22] anyways, bed [05:22] kheldoron: picked a spot yet? [05:22] hydrogen: give me a break [05:22] ok [05:22] hydrogen: almost the entire ATI line is designed for Windows [05:22] yep [05:23] thats still only a small fraction [05:23] hydrogen: a small fraction? [05:23] hydrogen: that's almost half of the mainstream video cards [05:23] alpha.. sparc.. mips.. sh... s390... all sorts of archetictures that are _not_ supported AT ALL under windows [05:23] hydrogen: NVidia is really the only major player supporting OpenGL and Linux [05:23] oh, and ppc [05:23] now sudo mount /dev/hd4 /path/to/the folder/yoou/just/made [05:23] ati is supported under linux [05:23] by ati [05:23] maybe not as well [05:23] but it is [05:23] barely [05:23] please [05:24] I'm running fine on an ati [05:24] hydrogen: Nvidia is the one with all the OpenGL support [05:24] I'm gone [05:24] bed [05:24] hydrogen: bah [05:24] sudo mount /dev/hda4 /path/to/directory [05:24] niters hydrogen [05:25] it shows like a help thingy [05:26] ? === nybble [n=nybble@d36-29-58.home1.cgocable.net] has joined #kubuntu [05:27] what do you meen by help thingy? [05:28] copy pasted to you [05:28] ok.. so that was illeagl.. [05:28] it tells me all the lables and flags that i can use with the comand [05:29] if you type mount -h it should appear [05:29] ok [05:30] um, what did the new partiton get named? [05:30] hda4? [05:31] hda2.. but the logic partition seems to be named hda-1 [05:31] is ther a /dev/hda2? === fatejudger [n=fatejudg@c-67-169-87-144.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #kubuntu === Tonio- [n=tonio@tonio.planetemu.net] has joined #kubuntu [05:33] not that i can find.. no [05:33] any /dev/hdaX where X>1? === jmg [n=cartel@shinobi.thoughtcrime.org.nz] has joined #kubuntu [05:34] lol.. no === qbit [n=qbit@66-44-108-5.s1529.apx2.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com] has joined #kubuntu [05:35] hey all [05:35] is it 'safe' to upgrade to breezy at the moment? [05:35] hrm.. I think it should have showed up.. [05:36] you ran qtparted, formated the extra space right? [05:36] jmg: it wont be 'safe' til oct 13 [05:36] jmg: but it isnt to bad atm [05:36] it says filesystem is free? shouldnt it be lite ext or something? [05:36] yes [05:37] not formated.. [05:37] ext3 is best for this [05:37] abd status is hidden in qtparted [05:38] not abd.. and.. === jrattner1 [n=jrattner@uhartford216126.hartford.edu] has joined #kubuntu [05:39] nalioth: ill try the livecd before i upgrade === regeya [n=shane@adsl-sp3-cdale176.micgi.com] has joined #kubuntu [05:39] k, in qtparted... click /dev/hda.. then at the top right right click the epty part of the drie, select format [05:39] jmg: no need to jump on the bandwagon cuz everyone else is [05:40] bandwagon? === regeya just tuned in [05:40] cant... its shaded [05:41] can only choose property [05:42] kubuntu is absolutely astounding. despite having the no-root hacks and whatnot, it's user-friendly *and* largely unadulterated. take that, major desktop distros. [05:42] no create? [05:43] nope === bpuccio [n=brian@ool-457a9d77.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #kubuntu [05:43] unclickable [05:44] just want to confirm -- is there any advantage whatsoever to installing Ubuntu (with GNOME) then installing the kubuntu-desktop package and removing all the GNOME stuff, as opposed to just straight installing kubuntu? [05:44] when you left click on it.. what hilghts? [05:44] bpuccio: the size isnt that much different having both gnome and kde [05:45] when i left click what? the partition? [05:45] yes [05:46] nothing except the little box.. [05:46] does a line in the tree below it hilight? [05:46] k [05:46] nalioth: yes, I realize that, its just someone was telling me that to do a clean install, they download Ubuntu with GNOME, install kubuntu-desktop, then remove all the GNOME stuff, they don't just download the kubuntu CD, I was wondering if doing this resulted in something different [05:46] thank you though, nalioth [05:47] othompson: do you have to reboot after a qtparted? [05:47] othomas or nalioth === bpuccio [n=brian@ool-457a9d77.dyn.optonline.net] has left #kubuntu [] [05:48] bpuccio: not much different at (if anything) [05:49] oh, menu bar : device | udo [05:49] undo [05:50] ok.. [05:50] did that un lock it [05:50] now i can create again atleast [05:51] right click format the divice | commit [05:51] still cant format.. dont i need to create one again? [05:52] sure [05:52] it's so hard to do gui over a text chat [05:53] yeah i know.. but i really appretiate it.. [05:53] I'm just sorry it's going slow [05:53] when i choose extended partition i can no longer choose partition type.. [05:54] better slow than nothing :) [05:54] is that ok.. the partition typ.. or should i do a primary anyhow? [05:55] my english is a bit off to so that helps slowing down the process ,) [05:56] I think you may need to reboot in between steps, not sure [05:56] there is no need to reboot, ever [05:56] primary is best [05:56] nalioth: can you help a bit? [05:57] ok.. and label? does that mather? [05:57] no [05:57] godzero: with the partitioning opeations? [05:57] still can format! [05:57] ya [05:57] you can? [05:57] Kheldoron: what language do you speak? [05:58] swedish [05:58] format ext3 [05:58] cant format, and cant get ext3 on partition type.. only ext2 [05:59] ext2 ok, the 3 is just journaling [05:59] k... but i still cant format.. [05:59] hang on a minute guys [06:00] ait === Bicchi [n=albert@adsl-065-006-167-199.sip.mia.bellsouth.net] has joined #kubuntu [06:00] nalioth: he's trying to format a second partion on hda === Bicchi is now known as john123 === john123 [n=albert@adsl-065-006-167-199.sip.mia.bellsouth.net] has left #kubuntu ["Leaving] [06:01] Kheldoron: what is the partition name (something like /dev/hda1) [06:01] the fat that hda1 is mounted is what's holding up the writes to mft [06:01] nailoth: /dev/hda2 === Bicchi [n=albert@adsl-065-006-167-199.sip.mia.bellsouth.net] has joined #kubuntu [06:02] Kheldoron: in a terminal, type "sudo tune2fs -j /dev/hda2" [06:03] cant find file or dir [06:03] I know that this is an out channel question but i am a kubuntu user and i allready have gnome installed but it does not want to start. how can i use synaptic to reinstall gnome? [06:03] "/dev/hda2" doesn't exist yet [06:03] Kheldoron: in the terminal type "sudo fdisk -l" and paste it into a pastebin, please === jrattner1 [n=jrattner@uhartford216092.hartford.edu] has joined #kubuntu [06:04] Bicchi: you are selecting it from the login sessions menu? [06:04] were trying to make/format free space on hda ->hda2 [06:04] godzero: yes i've been watching [06:04] Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System [06:04] /dev/hda1 1 1216 9767488+ 83 Linux [06:04] nalioth: i have gnome installed and i have used it before but it does not want to start. i would like to reinstall it. [06:05] nalioth: i would like to know what is the command that i need to type in apt-get that would reinstall gnome. i guess thats my question [06:06] Bicchi: "sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop" [06:06] Kheldoron: is that all of the output? [06:06] nailoth: yepp [06:06] Kheldoron: you have no /dev/hda2 [06:06] nope [06:06] nalioth: but like i said its allreday installed [06:07] Bicchi: i answered your question [06:07] nalioth: that does not rebuild the system [06:08] let me ask it a different way. How do i remove gnome from my computerrr? [06:08] Bicchi: it should, if packages are missing [06:08] nalioth: no packages are missing [06:08] Bicchi: do you have synaptic/kynaptic? [06:08] yes [06:08] Bicchi: if packages are missing, installing "ubuntu-desktop" will replace them [06:09] no packages are missing. i was changing one of the themes in gnome and the system crashed now gnome would not start [06:11] Bicchi: use synaptic/kynaptic and remove the gnome-core stuff [06:12] Kheldoron: can you type "sudo cfdisk /dev/hda" in a terminal? and let me know if you see "free space" [06:13] Khelderon: If what I think is going on is correct.. you'll have to do it from ou tside the sytem because hda1 is mounted, locking the master tartion table [06:13] partition [06:13] yes.. freespace === hussam [n=Hussam@194.126.31.19] has joined #kubuntu [06:13] should tell the free space though [06:14] Kheldoron: how much free space? [06:14] 30 gig.. the same as i tried to partition [06:14] so its like godzero said? [06:15] Kheldoron: Kheldoron use your arrow keys and highlight the free space [06:15] then new? [06:16] Kheldoron: yes [06:16] primary or logical? [06:17] Kheldoron: primary [06:17] either should be ok, primary slightly better [06:18] k.. done [06:18] quit? or is there more to be done here? [06:18] Kheldoron: you must select "write" [06:19] now all of a sudden hda1 lost its bootable flag.. [06:20] toggle it back? [06:20] Kheldoron: not necessary with grub [06:20] ok.. cool.. [06:20] so then quit? [06:20] you should see 2 partitions now [06:20] cfdisk is great! I didn't know about it [06:21] yepp one linux ext 3 and one linux [06:21] Now I know why I come here [06:21] Kheldoron: you can quit now [06:21] godzero: you want to know something funny? [06:21] k [06:21] i usually help in #ubuntu [06:21] ok.. next? [06:22] kheldoron: remember that folder you made? [06:22] Kheldoron: in the terminal type "sudo tune2fs -j /dev/hda2" [06:22] yeah [06:22] godzero: wait a minute [06:22] yep [06:22] should i exit qtparted? [06:22] yes [06:22] and type? === nybble [n=nybble@d36-29-58.home1.cgocable.net] has joined #kubuntu [06:23] Kheldoron: yes, the command i just posted [06:23] still does not exist [06:24] ok, that command turned you ext2 to a ext3 [06:24] godzero: something is fishy [06:25] well mabey it should have.. but it still cant find hda2 [06:25] Kheldoron: type in the terminal "sudo fdisk -l" please and see what you've got [06:25] now ie got 2 linux systems.. [06:26] seems right there [06:26] need to format before i can see it? [06:26] Kheldoron: you are formatted [06:26] Kheldoron: what is the address for the 2nd linux? [06:26] well i cant see it [06:27] Kheldoron, try a reboot and see if it picks up the new drive [06:27] under device [06:28] ok.. be right back then [06:28] reboot isnt necessary === hussam_ [n=Hussam@194.126.31.19] has joined #kubuntu [06:28] language barriers suck === nybble [n=nybble@d36-29-58.home1.cgocable.net] has joined #kubuntu [06:28] yup, but adding a device is a chore too..had to add sda1 to get my usb drive going [06:29] anybody here good with reparing grub? [06:29] hussam_: i have a link for you [06:29] hussam_: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows [06:29] hussam_: it will show you how to repair grub [06:30] I already read that and I have a Linux live cd but I don't know how to translate the hd(0,0) stuff to my case. === Kamping_Kaiser [n=Karl@ppp241-137.lns2.adl2.internode.on.net] has joined #kubuntu [06:31] hi K_K [06:31] hussam_: open a terminal and type "sudo fdisk -l" [06:31] hi othomas :) [06:32] hi nalioth === kheldoron [n=kim@h196n1fls14o1013.telia.com] has joined #kubuntu [06:32] k back.. now lets see [06:32] nalioth: I'm at work now and not near my computer. [06:32] wb kheldoron [06:33] woohoo! i can see it in dev now :D [06:33] oh good, nalioth and godzero got you on ur way [06:34] o yes they did [06:34] nalioth: rebooted safely ;) a big thank you for your help :) [06:34] nalioth: will a simple /sbin/grub-install /dev/hda fix it? [06:35] hussam: i'm sorry i dont run a grub able machine [06:35] i run macintosh [06:35] hussam: the wiki has good instructions [06:35] so if i want to be able to access it from "storage media" ? how do i do that? [06:36] sudo mount /dev/hda2 /media/newfoldername [06:38] is that really the same media as the one in the menu? [06:38] media:/ = /media [06:38] cool [06:40] so if you were to make a folder /media/sparedrive, you would want to sudo mount /dev/hda2 /media/sparedrive [06:40] how do i delete a dir? [06:40] kheldoron, /media/sparedrive is the mount point for yout new drive [06:41] godzero: next lesson: the fstab [06:41] yep === phil__ [n=phil@ip062.195-51-69.sogetel.net] has joined #kubuntu === phil__ is now known as philco [06:41] gui: right ckick menu, cli: rm [06:42] "you must specify the filesystem type" [06:42] godzero: perhaps you should set up the fstab first [06:43] godzero: mounting will be easier after that === chavo [n=chavo@217.sub-70-196-175.myvzw.com] has joined #kubuntu [06:44] hello. i've some old packages of kubuntu-desktop. where can i get order of installing dependend packages? [06:44] sudo mount -t ext3 /dev/hda /medai.... [06:44] d'oh. disconnected. i've some old packages of kubuntu-desktop. where can i get order of installing dependend packages? [06:45] Kheldoron: do you want it to auto mount with every boot? [06:45] ttyS0: in a terminal type "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade" [06:45] godzero: duh [06:45] mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hda2, [06:45] missing codepage or other error [06:45] In some cases useful info is found in syslog - try [06:45] dmesg | tail or so [06:45] the trouble never ends! [06:46] nalioth, it will download all new packages, right? [06:46] nalioth: he do convert to ext3 right? [06:46] did [06:47] godzero: he has an ext3 partition i believe [06:47] godzero: enlighten kheldoron about his fstab [06:47] no that didn work.. remember.. i tried that before i reeboted [06:48] how did i do it ext3? [06:48] so there's not any place where order of packages can be found? [06:48] fs2 -l or something [06:49] probably have to do it know when the drive works :D [06:50] kheldoron: type in a terminal "sudo fdisk -l" and see what you have there [06:50] how do we verify ext2/3? [06:50] Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System [06:50] /dev/hda1 1 1216 9767488+ 83 Linux [06:50] /dev/hda2 1217 4864 29302560 83 Linux [06:51] but i havent made it ext3 yet.. i didnt work before the reeboot.. so what was it? [06:51] ok [06:51] kheldoron: type "sudo tune2fs -j /dev/hda2" [06:51] it's still ext2... sudo tune2fs -j /dev/hda2 [06:52] bad magic nuber in superblock.. [06:52] this is so starting to anoy me... [06:52] lol [06:52] kheldoron: i suggest you find a friend at the local uni to help you === phil__ [n=phil@ip062.195-51-69.Sogetel.net] has joined #kubuntu [06:53] i afraid thats gonna be a problem.. small windows city [06:53] come on, were so close.. dont give up now :) [06:53] sudo mount -t ext2 /dev/hda2 /media/yourfolder [06:54] kheldoron: i'm not going to continue with the weird errors you're telling us [06:54] y'all have fun [06:54] see if it lets you [06:54] mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hda2, [06:54] missing codepage or other error [06:54] In some cases useful info is found in syslog - try [06:54] dmesg | tail or so [06:55] i always get wierd errors.. with everything i do.. [06:55] that one again. reformat it with sudo cfdisk again [06:56] something didn't write out [06:57] godzero: no [06:57] godzero: it's written [06:57] godzero: y'all need to get the proper command sequence to mount it [06:58] didnt help.. how about trying to fromat with qtparter? [06:59] qtparted.. it's worth a shot I guess. I'm trying to remember what messes with the magic number [07:00] i'm gunna ask uncle google.. brb === zxsykco [n=zxsykco@adsl-68-75-177-197.dsl.emhril.ameritech.net] has joined #kubuntu [07:01] as soon as i exit qtparted it went back to unknown instead of ext3 === ws01 [n=ws01@203.177.237.111] has joined #kubuntu [07:01] omg [07:01] weeeeeeeeeeeee [07:01] what is an active partition? [07:01] u know.. set active [07:02] your boot partition is considered the active one [07:02] ok.. we don want to change that [07:02] nope [07:04] what did you call it in your media dir kheldoron [07:04] active partitions are not necessary with grub [07:04] Media heh [07:04] can't find any good info on magic numbers.. but IIRC... it only IDs the format type [07:05] try sudo mount /dev/hda2 /media/media [07:05] you don't meen /media? [07:05] hehe.. qtparted bugged out :) [07:06] godzero, he called the new drive "media" in there [07:06] "must specify the file system type" [07:06] godzero: listen to me. make his fstab. [07:06] k [07:06] so something is hosed ubuntu is good about recognizing file systems [07:07] its like it doesnt save the type.. [07:07] I wanted to see if we could mount first, but we'll do that [07:07] what ever i format it in it always says unknown when i get back in qtparted.. [07:08] change the /media/media dir to /media/hda2 dir [07:08] kheldoron: lets set up fstab.. sudo nano /etc/fstab... add a line "/dev/hda2 /media/media ext3 defaults 0 2" === shogouki [n=nicolas@AMontpellier-251-1-87-139.w86-197.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #kubuntu [07:09] two media directories may be confusing the issue [07:10] othomas: I wouldn't think so, but I've heard of stranger things [07:11] ok.. so ive donw the fstab.. save and quit? [07:11] save = ctrl o [07:11] then enter [07:12] exit = ctrl x [07:12] im way ahead of you.. heh [07:12] and then? [07:12] kheldoron: now you should be able to just type "sudo mount /dev/hda2" [07:12] mount -a [07:13] godzero: -a? [07:13] either way [07:13] mount all [07:13] -a =auto [07:13] hahaha [07:13] auto wrecks things [07:13] uhhuh [07:13] oh [07:13] ok.. same as ususal.. [07:14] kheldoron: there is something we're not getting here [07:14] magic number? [07:14] im pretty convinced that we should focus on the formatting here.. [07:14] i think thats the problem [07:14] yeah.. in wonderland === hater2win [n=hater2wi@adsl-69-152-240-183.dsl.snantx.swbell.net] has joined #kubuntu [07:15] hey guys, i just set up my computer for "fish" and "ssh" capabilities, i was wondering, how can i limit specific users to only their assigned /home/username/ folder????? [07:17] ok.. so now it has appeard in the media storage... but now it says that only root can mount it.. [07:17] headway at last [07:20] if you were to reboot, the root /init envoronment should mount it [07:20] ok.. brb then [07:20] anybody? [07:21] hater2win, set privilages on each home directory to the specific user [07:21] hater2win: not w/o heave chmod [07:21] heavy [07:21] isnt there something in /etc/ for that? [07:22] some security files? [07:22] anyway, brb [07:22] Kamping_Kaiser! lol [07:22] you can use konqueror to do it.. [07:22] well, see, i have a friend that i use fish to send files back n forth [07:22] but i dont want him getting in my /media/ folder [07:22] to check out my shit [07:22] lol [07:22] I had it under mandrake.. and a cron job that checked 'em all [07:23] i just want to restrict axss to just his specific /home folder [07:23] just set yours to owner all priv, others none [07:24] <_exec> is there now other change to keep the user in his home? [07:24] <_exec> *chance === kheldoron [n=kim@h196n1fls14o1013.telia.com] has joined #kubuntu [07:25] denie access to the root directory [07:25] noope.. [07:25] how othomas ? [07:25] godzero: still i think we need to focus on the formatting [07:25] yep [07:26] so except from qtparted.. where else can i do it? [07:26] I'm pretty out of ideas [07:26] I only ran into magic number once [07:26] thats pretty bad.. :( === asechris [n=asechris@whthyt238-195.northwestel.net] has joined #kubuntu [07:26] hi [07:26] 1 thing i can think of [07:26] anything.. [07:27] use knoppix to format hda2 [07:27] how? [07:27] silly name.. :) [07:27] _exec, to keep all from exploring will require a lot of work..they need to have execute on many programs..restricting "home" is usually good enough [07:27] download & burn the iso to a cd rom, use the commands you seen here [07:28] Hi 'all. Total newbie here .. looking for some help to install Firefox on my KUBUNTU system (Trying to get off my Redmond Dependancy)... Can anyone please PM me ? [07:28] so knoppix is a boot cd? [07:28] kh: yep [07:28] doh [07:28] <_exec> k [07:28] <_exec> thx [07:28] asechris: type this in the command line sudo apt-get install mozilla-firefox [07:29] asechris: we can help you in the channel [07:29] its 7:29 am here now.. [07:29] Thanks hater2win. (the terminal window?) === kheldoron yawn [07:29] 1230 here [07:29] ok, thanks guys (& Gals ...) [07:29] asechris: as we help you, we help others who see how we help you [07:29] sudo tells your b0x that you want to perform an action as root. apt-get is telling it to get a specific package from a repository, install mozilla-firefox tells it what program to find and install [07:29] lucky bastard! [07:29] brain going mushy [07:29] terrific. [07:29] asechris: yes, in the terminal window [07:30] what are you complaining about? i havent slept yet.. [07:30] I tried to D/L the binaries & then I used ARK to extrac them into my ASECHRIS directory.... but I am lost after that [07:30] lol [07:30] now I don't feel so bad... [07:30] _exec, if they know user names they can jump there..so you may need to go deeper in the user directories to prevent exploring those [07:30] i do [07:30] :'( [07:30] <_exec> othomas: they can't ;) [07:30] so would I just goto my directory & use an 'install' command? [07:31] kk [07:31] depends [07:31] when you use apt-get [07:31] <_exec> if u give /media chmod 700... no one without owner can'T jump in a deeper dir [07:31] you are basically getting a file from a repository === pc11 [n=pc11@203.177.247.139] has joined #kubuntu [07:31] asechris: it doesnt matter where you are in a terminal [07:31] and this repository has ".deb" packages [07:31] thats what it installs [07:31] kk [07:31] asechris: for easier installations, use kynaptic [07:31] so sometimes, you can download debian (.deb) packages off the net in diff places and install those [07:32] anyone got a good divx player for kubuntu? [07:32] <_exec> so see you guys gonna to school .( [07:32] anyone knows how to make online games with gameguard work? [07:32] ok, BRB going to try some of these great suggestions. ( At least I can get onto IRC !! ) [07:32] kh: I use kaffiene + ffmpg [07:32] lol, l8r asechris [07:32] cya _exec [07:33] asechris: it is not advised to install debs from off the web (although sometimes it can be done without breaking your kubuntu) [07:34] nalioth: how can i restrict a user's access to ONLY the /home/userName folder? [07:34] kh: [07:34] ffmpg? [07:35] kh: let me look up the right name... [07:35] sorry.. i think i died for a moment.. ,) [07:35] thanks [07:35] hater2win: yes [07:35] nalioth: how? [07:36] hater2win: set the permissions so only the owner(s) can get into their data [07:37] kh:ffmpeg [07:37] OK, got it installed using sudo apt-get install mozilla-firefox. It said it was installing something for GNOME. I am using KUBUNTU and it seems to be working. Is it the same version ? [07:37] hater2win: owners include "root/system" "hater2win" "hater2win'smother" [07:37] asechris: same version [07:37] Kewl.. Thanks tons. [07:38] ok.. you know where i can get it? [07:38] Now if I can figure out how to get to my MP3's on the NTFS partition I'll be laughing !! [07:38] kh: kubuntu live should handle the formating too [07:38] whats that? [07:38] the live cd? [07:38] !tell asechris about ntfs === othomas installs beer and thinks, now we having FUN! [07:39] kh: synaptic/kynaptic.. search for ffmpeg, grab all [07:39] Thanks nalioth !!! Back in a bit !!! === Delphinus [n=jack@202.124.106.91] has joined #kubuntu [07:39] asechris: you can read the linked file in a text editor for instructions [07:40] nalioth: so do i change the permissions to / [07:40] or on the user's folder [07:40] brb === Delphinus [n=jack@202.124.106.91] has left #kubuntu ["Konversation] [07:41] hater2win: you do your homework on the numbers and what they mean, and you set no-read no-write no execute on directories you dont non owners into (make sure you allow owners into their directories) [07:41] i see i see === Delphinus [n=jack@202.124.106.91] has joined #kubuntu [07:41] hater2win: keep track of what you do, so you can undo it [07:42] hater2win: and test each step of the way === Delphinus [n=jack@202.124.106.91] has joined #kubuntu [07:42] nalioth: ty ty [07:42] hater2win: wrong permissions will make your box unusable [07:43] godzero: im so tired here man that i dont know what im thinking.. i have to hit the sack.. ill talk to you later! [07:44] take care kheldoron [07:45] OK.. totally Learning here tonight !! You guys rock ! [07:45] thanks for all your help guys! u are great! [07:45] I can now mount the NTFT partition & see all my MP3's. Can anyone suggest a good player ? [07:45] lol [07:46] amarok is ok [07:46] (Damn I feel needy..... I hate being a newbie) [07:46] asechris: there are many to choose, you'll probably need the software to play them === asechris [n=asechris@whthyt238-195.northwestel.net] has joined #kubuntu [07:46] oops [07:46] wb asechris [07:46] Thanks.... [07:47] amarok is ok [07:47] !tell asechris about restricted [07:47] lol [07:47] amarok tells me it can't play MP3s unless I have a different engine [07:48] oh, needs the xine engine..xmms does well too [07:48] asechris: read what ubotu has sent you [07:48] kh: later [07:48] peace out! [07:48] just got the info from ubotu .. Thanks.. I'll go through it [07:50] I never had any friend with linux.. I had linux for 1/2 year before I learned about repositories.. was compiling every thing... then when I did find out, I felt like a moron. [07:51] godzero, awwww, hope you fell better now [07:51] a little [07:51] feel too [07:51] oh good [07:51] I'm up to "special" now [07:52] lol [07:52] me3 [07:53] haha [07:54] hi Tm_T [07:55] hi kids [07:55] :) [07:55] heh [07:55] bah, I need caffeine! [07:55] I need beer [07:55] lol [07:56] apt-get re-install beer [07:56] godzero: well, it doesn't make _you_ look good... === Kamping_Kaiser is now known as Kaiser_away [07:56] later K_away [07:56] later mate [07:56] Kaiser_away: tsadaam! [07:57] :) hi Tm_T hows it? [07:57] what you saying, I'm "special" and ugly? [07:57] oh, you finally realised it? :o [07:57] ;---P [07:57] lol [07:57] ok, coffee -> [07:57] oops === nybble_ZzZ is away: I'm busy [08:00] wb nybble [08:00] what does it meen to run "nice", just lower priority? === nybble is back (gone 00:00:03) === othomas thinks was a bit longer [08:01] why thankyou, it was a brief trip...but i got shirts for everyone [08:01] *hands them out* [08:01] hahahaha [08:03] mine says "support your orleans dis-possesed" === _avatar [n=avatar@203.177.14.238] has joined #kubuntu [08:07] lol [08:08] press ALT_F4 for a free avatar === othomas [n=othomas@71-12-17-242.dhcp.spbg.sc.charter.com] has joined #kubuntu [08:13] OMG..ALT-F4 works here toooo [08:13] thought it was just a windoze thing [08:14] lol === othomas thinks maybe 2am is late enough..you all take care.. [08:15] othomas: lots of windows keys shortcuts work [08:15] othomas: try em [08:15] godzero, no more beer install here..lol === grifter17 [n=grifter1@222.126.49.33] has joined #kubuntu [08:16] hiiiiiiiiiiiii [08:16] hi grifter17 [08:17] im a newbie user of linux [08:17] will some one pls teach me [08:17] im really having problems [08:17] linux guru pls help [08:17] err [08:18] with what? [08:18] just spit it out [08:18] lol [08:18] and there's no gurus [08:18] just old farts and young geeks [08:18] (and married men with pron) [08:18] grifter17, ? [08:19] im having a hard time how to install programs in my new linux kubuntu [08:20] tried synaptic? [08:20] i just installed this last nyt [08:21] i want to put yahoo messenger but i dunno haw [08:21] how [08:22] don't you have Gaim? === CaiN_SA [n=cain@rrba-146-76-48.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #kubuntu === scally [n=scally@210.213.213.213] has joined #kubuntu === pc1 [n=pc1@202.93.36.58] has joined #kubuntu === Kaiser_away is now known as Kamping_Kaiser === chavo [n=chavo@217.sub-70-196-175.myvzw.com] has joined #kubuntu === hussam [n=Hussam@194.126.31.19] has joined #kubuntu === scally [n=scally@210.213.213.213] has joined #kubuntu === Chambers_ [n=Thom@pcp02906040pcs.roylok01.mi.comcast.net] has joined #kubuntu === aseigo is now known as aseigo_znore === alexandros [n=alexandr@63.245.118.115] has joined #kubuntu === JakubS_ [n=qba@ain131.internetdsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #kubuntu === Chambers- [n=Thom@pcp02906040pcs.roylok01.mi.comcast.net] has joined #kubuntu === klerm [n=klerm@210.213.142.94] has joined #kubuntu === klerm is now known as boy [09:14] kj === boy is now known as biBOY [09:20] ello peepz === kakalto [n=kakalto@wired-210-54-56-129.ps.net.nz] has joined #kubuntu === johan [n=johan@d83-177-234-160.cust.tele2.fr] has joined #kubuntu === Lichte [n=lichte@unaffiliated/klementas] has joined #kubuntu === chavo [n=chavo@217.sub-70-196-175.myvzw.com] has joined #kubuntu === pc11 [n=pc11@203.177.242.216] has joined #kubuntu [09:37] hello === pc11 is now known as kianziack [09:38] hello === pointwood [n=pointwoo@212.242.222.232] has joined #kubuntu === Kamping_Kaiser is now known as Kaiser_away [09:55] Your kernel was built with "gcc" version "3.4.5", while you are trying to use [09:55] "/usr/bin/gcc" version "4.0.2". This configuration is not supported and VMware [09:55] Workstation cannot work in such configuration. === Lichte [n=lichte@unaffiliated/klementas] has left #kubuntu [] === Lichte [n=lichte@unaffiliated/klementas] has joined #kubuntu === cb68 [n=cb@meinau-2-81-56-126-12.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu === wincide [n=trax@159.Red-81-37-49.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #kubuntu === konfuzed [n=konfuzed@H129.C72.B0.tor.eicat.ca] has joined #kubuntu === JakubS_ [n=qba@ain131.internetdsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #kubuntu === rockin_stan [n=stan@dsl-082-082-051-213.arcor-ip.net] has joined #kubuntu === Lichte [n=lichte@unaffiliated/klementas] has left #kubuntu ["Konversation] [10:13] anybody has Kgpg running in kubuntu? === cb68 [n=cb@meinau-2-81-56-126-12.fbx.proxad.net] has left #kubuntu [] === amadeus [n=amadeus@84-73-3-137.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #kubuntu === after8 [n=aftertaf@sara2lee.agns.fr] has joined #kubuntu [10:27] morning all === shogouki [n=nicolas@AMontpellier-251-1-18-30.w81-251.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #kubuntu [10:36] where is www.ubuntuguide.org? [10:44] uhm lol [10:44] amadeus, down atm [10:44] that makes more senso [10:44] *sense === phazeman [n=phazeman@mandriva/channel-support/Phazeman] has joined #kubuntu === jeh [n=jeh@ext122.almare.com] has joined #kubuntu [10:50] i have 2 questions. 1. what is the way to see the installed packages list (and find for somehting instaqlled) with the apt ? 2. is there any way to update the whole distro with apt like i can do with urpmi ? thanks in advance [10:50] dpkg -l [10:50] for the first [10:51] thanks ! [10:51] sources.list is the key for second [10:51] do you wish to update a hoary to breezy or just get the newest packages for your current version? [10:51] jeh: i thought to try out the breezy but i don't want to reinstall everything [10:52] just run the apt-get update && upgrade [10:52] is it possible ? [10:52] phazeman: yes, after you modified your sources.list [10:52] check sources.list to point it to breezy [10:52] ok... going to hunt for some info [10:52] thanks muc [10:52] much* [10:52] then apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade [10:53] is there any known page that list the sources ? something like easy urpmi ? [10:53] hmm, what about replacing all "hoary" parts with "breezy" ? [10:54] I think it'll do the trick [10:54] ahhhh [10:54] can't be that easy [10:54] thanks.. going to tray that [10:54] try* [10:54] jeh: why not ? lets try :) [10:54] haha [10:54] please be my guinea pig :) [10:54] oink! oink! [10:54] jeh: well, apt is easy [10:55] did any of you see this article ? http://www.howtoforge.com/perfect_setup_ubuntu_5.04 [10:55] Tm_T: i was more thinking about that something would break. i know that apt is easy [10:55] i just wonder if thats that easy as they say to do.... [10:55] jeh: breaking things... fun \o/ [10:55] jeh: i don't mind to break the system.... [10:55] it's fun :) [10:55] phazeman> page listing sources? yes [10:55] much more fun is to fix the broke... [10:55] fun for the whole family when daddy curses at the computer :) [10:55] !repositories [10:55] methinks repositories is at at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto A list of official repositories can be found at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969 (Hoary) or http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2325 (Breezy) [10:56] thanks after8 [10:56] =) [10:56] ubotu: !wtf [10:56] Tm_T: NO SPEAKE ENLISH! [10:56] jeh: LOL [10:56] ubotu: !perkele [10:56] Tm_T: Do they come in packets of five? [10:56] heh [10:56] ubotu: sure [10:56] Tm_T: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? [10:56] ubotu: well, it MUST be [10:56] Tm_T: Did you get hit by a windmill? [10:56] Tm_T: don't think it groks finnish... [10:57] jeh: me neither, but "good" way to spent couple minutes [10:57] spend [10:57] of course :) [10:57] ubotu: moron [10:57] I haven't a clue, Tm_T [10:57] as I said... [10:58] phazeman: is it broken already? [10:58] jeh: what ? [10:58] what broken > [10:58] ? [10:59] I'm not [10:59] phazeman: your breezy update [11:00] jeh: i didn't start it yel lol [11:00] i'm still in the consideration state [11:00] heh [11:00] phazeman> break it ;) ! !! !! [11:00] if you know how to repair, that is. [11:00] hehe [11:00] putting peer pressure on poor phazeman [11:01] actually.. i'm a mandriva person... but i don't mind to play :) [11:01] hehe [11:01] bah, I can't see any reasons why it'll break anything [11:02] hmmmmmm xfonts-terminus installs to a wrong location :/ [11:02] nah, it shouldn't break anything. but the emphasis is on the word "shouldn't" [11:02] jeh> a new PPP protocol? [11:02] PPPP even ;) [11:02] heh [11:03] actually i think i will not upgrade [11:03] since i already have what i need [11:03] and, anyway, i have to wait until my download finish [11:03] :)))) [11:03] =) [11:03] but it's good to know how [11:04] why would i upgrade if i have all the functionality already ? [11:04] did any of you look into the link i gave about the server install ? [11:04] http://www.howtoforge.com/perfect_setup_ubuntu_5.04 [11:04] i just wonder if it's any good [11:05] ha ? [11:06] well, i don't run an isp so i have no idea [11:09] i think it's a cool thing to build your home server when you are a newb and this is what you want your linux machine to be [11:09] but it's me [11:10] phazeman> loooots of ppl share your opinion, for it is a fine one ;) [11:10] after8: i didn't try it yet but definatly think to do so the next week [11:10] if it all works as it says it is - definataly great thing [11:12] it works, with a bit of [11:12] sweat, but thats how we learn... and remember uncle google ;) [11:16] hmm, is something majorly broken in the lastest packages in breezy? i installed the newer packages earlier on my Mac and my x86 laptop, the mac is fine but the laptop doesnt load X anymore === zAo^ [n=zao@zAo.xs4all.nl] has joined #kubuntu === aftertaf [n=aftertaf@sara2lee.agns.fr] has joined #kubuntu === Chambers_ [n=Thom@pcp02906040pcs.roylok01.mi.comcast.net] has joined #kubuntu === sorush20 [n=sorush20@82-43-184-143.cable.ubr07.newm.blueyonder.co.uk] has left #kubuntu [] === timlinux [n=timlinux@216.127.72.22] has joined #kubuntu [11:26] is there any plan to fix firefox so that it uses kde style file dialogs? The gnome file dialog drives me up the frigging wall... [11:26] there is an ugly hack [11:27] I spose I could use konqi with the moz engine....if thats still possible... [11:27] shogouki: ugly hacks are fine [11:27] lonewolff> check if xfs is installed [11:27] shogouki: do you have a url? [11:27] X failed on 3 pcs for me.... [11:27] http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=14785 [11:28] thanks! [11:29] hummmm [11:32] hmm, it appears there are problems when inserting quite a few modules [11:33] lonewolff: reported by hotplug? that's 'normal' [11:33] and lots of cpufreq: change failed with new_state 1 and result 0 [11:34] i have hotplug pbs too [11:35] its very weird, everything was working fine, updates today, now i have no wireless, no X, when i goto f7 (the tty where x should be) they keyboard stops working [11:36] (at least the mac updated alright otherwise i'd have major problems) [11:38] lonewolff> try reconfing xorg & install xfs [11:39] aftertaf: tried that [11:39] startx gives a message about there being no core pointers [11:39] you too? [11:39] try: Option "Device" "/dev/psaux" [11:40] on mouse section instead of input/mice [11:40] im using psaux atm [11:40] erf! [11:40] /dev/psaux doesnt exist, which may pose a problem [11:41] (but it existed before this update) [11:42] neither /dev/input/mice or /dev/psaux exist [11:43] methinks something is broked [11:43] me 2!!! === phazeman [n=phazeman@mandriva/channel-support/Phazeman] has left #kubuntu [] === lonewolff reinstalls, at least i know Hoary works [11:55] lonewolff> you under 64 bit by any chance??? === eggi_ [n=einstein@dsl-084-059-209-084.arcor-ip.net] has joined #kubuntu === chavo [n=chavo@217.sub-70-196-175.myvzw.com] has joined #kubuntu === Chambers- [n=Thom@pcp02906040pcs.roylok01.mi.comcast.net] has joined #kubuntu === Papero [i=paperone@host20-120.pool8248.interbusiness.it] has joined #kubuntu === Papero [i=paperone@host20-120.pool8248.interbusiness.it] has left #kubuntu [] === sveri [n=sveri@p54B91974.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu === aitech3 [n=aitech3@203.215.66.40] has joined #kubuntu === JRe [n=jre@pai34-2-82-226-199-36.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu === aitech3 is now known as liyu === aitech3 [n=aitech3@203.215.66.40] has joined #kubuntu === aitech3 is now known as liyu [12:17] hi, i have a soundcard (sb audigy) and [12:18] a tv controller (bt878) in my computer, how can i tell arts or kde that the primary sound controller should be my sb audigy and not the tv controller sound card? === ca5s4va [n=aries@219.94.72.110] has joined #kubuntu [12:18] hallo everyone ... [12:20] is there any ubuntu repository that provide libdvdcss and/or win32codec ??? === [square] [n=chatzill@d81-211-255-175.cust.tele2.it] has joined #kubuntu === apokryphos [n=apokryph@host-87-74-2-161.bulldogdsl.com] has joined #kubuntu [12:31] morning apokryphos [12:31] thought you had enrollment today? === chx [n=chx@unaffiliated/chx] has joined #kubuntu [12:31] it's soooooo great that Kubuntu desktop now rotates as it should. [12:32] nikkia: allo -- I did; went and came back already :D. [12:32] nikkia: pretty speedy process. You're talking to an official King's student now 8) [12:32] apokryphos: wow, that was quick [12:33] nikkia: only stuff I really got today was ID card, email etc, computer logons. Gotta wait tomorrow for timetables, course registration etc [12:33] which will cost me another 4.70! Gah. London Underground. [12:33] apokryphos: still, used to take me an hour or two === gilnove [n=mlab@203.177.247.86] has joined #kubuntu [12:33] and that was when i was already ON campus, and not travelling back and forth :) [12:34] nikkia: I was surprised with the ID card. The lady barely took my picture and it came out all ready === timlinux [n=timlinux@216.127.72.22] has left #kubuntu [] [12:39] aftertaf: no its i386, but im back on hoary now and all is well [12:39] oki.. cool. [12:39] sth not right with the x package... a lot of ppl having same pb. === Cem_ [n=cem0r@dsl-084-060-159-083.arcor-ip.net] has joined #kubuntu === sveri [n=sveri@p54B91974.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu === Belutz [n=Belutz@202.155.150.76] has joined #kubuntu === Belutz [n=Belutz@202.155.150.76] has left #kubuntu ["Leaving"] === Tonio- [n=tonio@cac94-5-82-229-219-55.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu [12:47] hi everyone [12:47] lonewolff> there is a workaround for the pb... [12:47] udev not creating some devices..... === pantens [n=pantens@gw.sangine.com] has joined #kubuntu [12:48] aftertaf: oh? got a url? [12:49] http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=15932 [12:49] /etc/init.d/udev restart [12:49] /etc/init.d/gdm restart [12:49] makes it work temporarily === pantens is now known as sugardaddy [12:49] a workaround, but not yet bugfixed. [12:50] ah ic [12:53] im just upgrading the laptop again now, so i will give it a try === Cyberjames [n=freenode@unaffiliated/cyberjames] has joined #kubuntu [12:55] hello... === sveri [n=sveri@p54B91974.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu [12:56] hibernate? you mean, next spring Kubuntu will be able to hibernate straight from KDE desktop? [12:57] hello. how can I share my printer on network? anyone has appreciated idea? === MrRagga [n=jonas@p54A531AD.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu [12:58] hi Cyberjames [12:58] ive no idea, never ever done.... [12:58] is it installed locally to begin with? [12:59] aftertaf: yeah [12:59] aftertaf: I want to share it on my other PC.. how? === NSK [n=nsk@unaffiliated/nsk] has joined #kubuntu === DocTomoe [n=martin@p54A91E62.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu [01:02] ok. open up your print manager [01:02] system;settings, printers === DocTomoe [n=martin@p54A91E62.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has left #kubuntu ["Konversation] [01:03] aftertaf, and then? [01:04] do you see your local printer? === tucoz [n=martin@hornved.ii.uib.no] has joined #kubuntu [01:04] aftertaf, no [01:04] aftertaf, it looks disable button... [01:04] ah, then it isnt installed locally then... [01:05] Hi, sorry for the newbie question, but... I am looking for a osx-style theme for my kubuntu hoary install but get scared by the install processes in kdelook.org [01:05] aftertaf, but I can able to print/./.. [01:05] in kde? [01:05] So I thought that there might be some unoffical theme packages available through apt-get [01:07] see the print server part? you need to go in there and set it up as a print server [01:07] i'm sort of guessing cs i've never used that before. === David_WI [n=David_WI@cpe-66-87-4-181.ut.sprintbbd.net] has joined #kubuntu [01:07] how to configure cups? [01:08] that i dont know.... try uncle google [01:08] lol [01:08] Not really scared, but I do not really understand the internals of kde so is there something that may break by installing for install baghira [01:09] s/install/instance [01:09] tucoz> no idea..... === martin [n=martin@213.253.92.142] has joined #kubuntu [01:10] aftertaf: :) ok [01:11] though you can play around alot with themes and stuff.... [01:12] yes, I know. But a lot of the themes in kdelook does not come in 'theme-packages'. It seems that you have to install by doing some sudo work === ca5s4va [n=aries@219.94.72.110] has left #kubuntu ["Konversation] [01:13] for styles and window decorations; for other things, nope. [01:13] ok. I think I'll just download a theme and read the README then :) [01:13] (in theory you don't even need sudo for those, if you compile the style/windec and install it user-side somewhere) [01:14] tucoz> ohh the kde lok site.. true... [01:14] tucoz: it's better to just individually pick what you want from styles, windecs etc and investigate === David_WI [n=David_WI@cpe-66-87-4-181.ut.sprintbbd.net] has left #kubuntu ["Leaving"] [01:15] apokryphos> isnt there a new tool in kde soon that can d/l the themes directly? [01:15] apokryphos, probably. Just like the apt-get way, to install stuff with a bang [01:15] aftertaf: KNewStuff, but it's hard to implement with styles/windecs (which require compiling); even icons won't have knewstuff for kde 3.5, unfortunately. [01:16] tucoz: some styles and icons are available from apt; you could try some of those. [01:16] yes, I have found a few. Like the kde-themes(or whatever it was called) for instance [01:16] cool === ztonzy [n=ztonzy@blender/artist/ztonzy] has joined #kubuntu [01:17] apokryphos> it can grab new wallpaper tho (even if only about 15 of em ;) ) [01:17] yesterday in the dot there was a mention about some guy packaging themese & stuff [01:17] jeh: oh, really? cool [01:17] aftertaf: yup; it's also implemented in Kopete, superkaramba and amaroK so far [01:18] ok, that was apparently for debian, but maybe it works: http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=29317 [01:18] jeh: I'll check it out. [01:19] someone is building kubuntu packages too [01:22] thanks for the help. got to go === tucoz [n=martin@hornved.ii.uib.no] has left #kubuntu ["Leaving"] === Cem_ [n=cem0r@dsl-084-060-159-083.arcor-ip.net] has joined #kubuntu === incubii [i=incubii@cor9-ppp1465.hay.dialup.connect.net.au] has joined #kubuntu [01:27] breezy is lookin very nice [01:27] incubii> hehe === ToyMan [n=stuq@user-12lcqia.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #kubuntu [01:28] it is yeah :D [01:28] xept when X goes dead on you ;) [01:28] any idea when we will get a kubuntu bootsplash though. the ubuntu one kinda ruins the moment === Glin|Jol [i=bobo@cpe-66-108-244-133.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #kubuntu [01:28] you boot too often [01:29] im on a laptop [01:30] and its gettin kinda old this whole rebooting thing :) [01:31] sorry, couldn't resist [01:31] lol incubii ..... ubuntu != gnome [01:31] one day linux will work fine on laptops too so that one doesn't have to boot them either [01:31] you can have both, whichever iso you grab ;) [01:31] yeah i know aftertaf , but the officials only come as ubuntu :P [01:31] aftertaf: no, quite the reverse. ubuntu has nothing to do with kde [01:32] and i didnt have time to download kubuntu [01:32] so i apt-get kubuntu-desktop [01:32] jeh> yeah i know....... but you dont have to have gnome, you can just grab kde [01:32] can you nuke the gnome stuff from an ubuntu? [01:33] apt-get remove gnome* ? [01:33] apart from the default gnome -vs- kde, ubuntu is kubuntu & vice versa..... [01:33] ...without making the system more or less unusable? [01:33] incubii> probably [01:33] jeh> think so.... ubuntu depends neither on kde or gnome. [01:33] on a fedora you can't really get rid of the gnome stuff [01:34] ubuntu is in a debian world :) [01:34] we do things the right way :P === sveri [n=sveri@p54B91974.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu === ToyMan2 [n=stuq@user-12lcqia.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #kubuntu [01:40] incubii> yeahhhhhhhhh :) [01:41] i should actually nuke this fedora === _thomas [n=thomas@d54C3D639.access.telenet.be] has joined #kubuntu === konfuzed [n=konfuzed@H129.C72.B0.tor.eicat.ca] has joined #kubuntu === paines [n=paines@p508920C3.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu [01:43] hi [01:44] hi [01:45] Jeh probably yeah ;) [01:45] redhat... :/ never got on with them [01:45] i am a bit pissed off about the situation for amd64. everytime kde releases something, the same minute (k)ubuntu packages are released for it too, but only for i386. I would like to help with that, like compiling and so on for amd64. === `Nomad [n=Bob@stjhnbsu67w-142167000083.nb.aliant.net] has joined #kubuntu [01:46] aftertaf: i inherited this machine at work with fedora already on it. i think when i get a quiet day i'll shove my hoary dvd to it [01:46] the big problem is, that my favourite mp3 player beep-media-player needs gnome :( [01:46] chx: is it such a big problem then? [01:46] chx> then install bmp and the other packages.... you can get by without having the whole gnome package [01:47] paines> hmm. speak to apokryphos , maybe he can point you in the right direction. [01:47] aftertaf, okay. thank you very much [01:48] or maybe i should contact jon riddel directly [01:48] aftertaf: how could I remove what's not necessary? this is a wider question actually... apt-get now is not too snappy 'cos there are 100 000 files installed and I do not really have an idea how did I get that much since Hoary is out... === jjesse [n=jjesse@mail.ftpb.com] has joined #kubuntu [01:48] paines: help is certainly accepted :). Join #kubuntu-devel and let Riddell in there know [01:48] all right [01:48] :-) [01:48] thanks [01:48] deporphan lists only very few packages [01:48] :) [01:48] hehe [01:48] paines: the main problem was that we plainly didn't have AMD64 people ready to compile. [01:49] 100000 files or packages? [01:49] apokryphos, i thought about something like that [01:49] aftertaf: files [01:49] thats maybe not a pb you know....... [01:49] (Reading database ... 102862 files and directories currently installed.) [01:50] but go into synaptic/adept and search for gnome string in description, then remove all you see.... preview what it will remove and make sure nothing you want to keep has dependencies === m-fox [n=m-fox@port-212-202-8-119.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #kubuntu [01:50] aftertaf: that's OK for gnome, but I doubt I need all the 1143 that got slipped on my system. I guess most are were used for compiling this or that but no longer needed :( [01:51] 1143 packages, that is [01:51] adept is for Breezy, isn't it? [01:51] chx> hehe.... sort of, but you can get it in hoary too. [01:51] need to add a special repository ;) [01:52] oh shit, firefox also depends on gnome stuff :( [01:52] chx> yep... [01:53] just drop ffox, easy ;-) [01:54] mornfall: despite I am a registered Opera user for years, Firefox is still needed sometimes [01:54] hehe mornfall [01:54] purist ! [01:54] chx> wine & IE is the way!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! [01:54] hahahahahahaha [01:54] [01:54] aftertaf: i don't use ffox unless forced [01:54] I am also a registered Crossover Office user and yes, I run IE sometimes [01:54] but then, i recently got rid of kmail :-) [01:54] mornfall: nod [01:55] mutt [01:55] how good is adept? [01:55] kmail? what link to firefox? [01:55] aftertaf: purism [01:55] jeh> ask its mum ;) [01:55] aftertaf: heh, i'm slightly blind :) [01:55] adept doesn't cook you a dinner yet [01:56] lol mornfall [01:56] mornfall: not even expected. coffee would be nice though [01:56] you notice the edinting of deb http:// thing i mentioned? === aftertaf wants a coffee [01:56] lemme try [01:56] aftertaf: you really need to file b.k.o entries ;-) [01:57] i cant get my head round how to use that site..... makes me go all sweaty and afraid ;) [01:57] aftertaf: ur right [01:57] aftertaf: bugzilla sucks, but tough luck [01:58] sp++ === sveri [n=sveri@p54B91974.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu [01:59] O.o === ztonzy [n=ztonzy@blender/artist/ztonzy] has left #kubuntu ["Leaving..."] [02:00] *frown* my head hurts [02:01] lol [02:02] it ain't funny [02:02] oh, for real? erf! [02:02] not funny!!! [02:03] listening to Katatonia - Rainroom (0:04/6:31) [02:03] whats the ting with kmail then? [02:03] kmail sucks [02:03] kinda [02:03] crashy and unreliable [02:03] and i hate unreliable soft [02:04] wow we are down to 95K files... [02:04] kmail-- [02:04] Opera M2++ [02:04] When I had about 1000 messages in a folder [02:04] really not mcuh [02:04] kmail and search became orthogonal :) [02:05] Opera M2 can deal with 100 000 mails in a folder and still do incremental search without any noticeable delays. [02:05] that's virtually impossible you know :) [02:05] mornfall: heard of databases :) ? [02:06] chx: yeah, but you need to do linear search here [02:06] hmmm [02:06] prefix tree I gues. [02:06] chx: and linear search on substrings is, well, linear search on substrings [02:06] Not if you index them as they come in. [02:06] yes, there is definitely an index [02:07] erm, what kind of index? if it only matches on words, it's useless [02:07] well [02:07] yeah, i guess you can do an index and match that index === verwilst [n=verwilst@212.123.1.32] has joined #kubuntu [02:07] Yes. That's how most indexes work... like htdig or... uhh... Google. [02:07] JabberWokky: htdig and google only matches on words [02:07] (I'd assume) [02:08] that's _easy_ [02:08] opera installs oracle 9i hidden version for mail searching ... hehe [02:08] mornfall: No, they can match on phrase. [02:08] of course Opera matches only words [02:08] JabberWokky: that's an easy extension of easy concept [02:08] i need _substrings_ [02:08] mornfall: there is a non-incremental search , too [02:08] chx: incremental search needs to work on substrings, too [02:09] mornfall: what's more you can make that search permanent... very convinient... no folders just filters [02:09] No it doesn't... not if the start falls at a word. [02:09] JabberWokky: exactly [02:09] Besides, there are other ways to index. [02:11] yeah, if you have an per-word index over message headers, you could do substring match on that and then make union over the matching words [02:11] question is, how big such an index becomes [02:12] opera quicksearch works on more than headers -- full text. [02:13] btw. is there a good algorithm to match 1000 search strings at once against a text? [02:13] I guess some preprocessing needs to be done and then it'll be blazing fast === verwilst [n=verwilst@212.123.1.32] has joined #kubuntu === pier [n=pier@62-101-126-224.ip.fastwebnet.it] has joined #kubuntu === pier [n=pier@62-101-126-224.ip.fastwebnet.it] has left #kubuntu ["Konversation] === othomas [n=othomas@71-12-17-242.dhcp.spbg.sc.charter.com] has joined #kubuntu === incubii [i=incubii@cor14-ppp1361.hay.dialup.connect.net.au] has joined #kubuntu === incubii [i=incubii@cor14-ppp1361.hay.dialup.connect.net.au] has joined #kubuntu === pravas [n=pravas@ICHE73.kfunigraz.ac.at] has joined #kubuntu === chx [n=chx@unaffiliated/chx] has left #kubuntu ["Konversation] [02:38] hi all..:)... [02:38] hi:) === Prodegy [n=jicp1972@ip-69-30-172-158.valornet.com] has joined #Kubuntu === chavo [n=chavo@217.sub-70-196-175.myvzw.com] has joined #kubuntu [02:41] another great day aftertaf [02:41] lol [02:41] Im tired [02:41] Bout to go to work though [02:42] Everyone have a good day [02:42] u2 prodegy [02:42] thanks mate === nxv_ [n=nxv_@dsl-084-056-090-188.arcor-ip.net] has joined #kubuntu === ..[topic/#kubuntu:Riddell] : KDE 3.5 Beta 1 http://kubuntu.org/kde-35beta1.php | Dapper ideas: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuDapperGoals | Kubuntu Breezy Preview http://www.kubuntu.org/breezy-preview.php | test adept (in Breezy): sudo apt-get install adept | Non-kde-related questions: #ubuntu as well | Nederlands #kubuntu-nl | Espaol #kubuntu-es | Deutsch #kubuntu-de| Unofficial Kubuntu FAQ http://kudos.berlios.de/ === MrFaber [n=user@ip176.134.1511H-CUD12K-03.ish.de] has joined #kubuntu [02:48] oh yeah..... seems 2 be a good day. === Mirussa [n=mirussa@c-67-166-123-104.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has joined #kubuntu [02:48] Riddell> 3.5 will be released for breezy sometime soon after the oct13 release? [02:49] aftertaf: KDE 3.5 doesn't have a release date but it'll be after breezy [02:50] yeah i thought so.... it it stable enought to be tested out on breezy now? [02:50] i know you would like testers though....and id be willing. [02:50] Does anyone know how caching works with arts? [02:51] Doesn't it desynchronize movies? === station04 [n=station0@210.213.243.56] has joined #kubuntu [02:58] <`Nomad> Hi all.. Any suggestion for a free IMAP mail account for use in a demo to my boss? [02:59] tried free imap in uncle google? [02:59] ;) [03:00] (other way of saying, nope sorry!!!) [03:01] kelly rippa is so skinny, her ribs show between her breasts [03:07] <`Nomad> oops.. Got one yes, fastmail. :) [03:07] whois kelly rippa? [03:07] she's host on regis and kelly === klerm [n=klerm@210.213.142.94] has joined #kubuntu [03:08] sorry inoticed cuz they talking about diets [03:09] whatis regis & kelly? [03:09] ribs between breasts? sounds like a barbecue ;) [03:09] LOL [03:10] any going spare ;) ? [03:11] don't think so.she seems to save her ribs..hahah === Flying_Eagle [n=f_e@pD9537D92.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #kubuntu === Budda [n=aaron@p54ABC9D5.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #kubuntu [03:29] i've downloaded following splashscreen : [03:29] http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=28731 [03:30] and theres a theme.rc in it but i can't see it with the kcontrolcenter someone has a idea what to do? [03:31] nice [03:32] yeah...but how can i use it? [03:33] dunno. === buz [n=buz@80-218-105-74.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #kubuntu [03:34] Budda: just add the tar.gz which you downloaded [03:34] is kde 3.5beta safe for use? (still laughing about the code name, btw) [03:34] copy to /usr/share/apps/ksplash/Themes [03:35] thanks === caspar [n=caspar@ip3e83b99e.speed.planet.nl] has joined #kubuntu === caspar [n=caspar@ip3e83b99e.speed.planet.nl] has left #kubuntu ["Ik] === Kamping_Kaiser [n=Karl@ppp241-137.lns2.adl2.internode.on.net] has joined #kubuntu [03:39] hi K_K [03:39] hi othomas. how are you? === Budda_ [n=aaron@p54ABF825.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #kubuntu [03:43] Unpacking kanzler (from .../kanzler_18_09_2005.deb) ... [03:43] dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of regierung: [03:43] kanzler depends on mehrheit ; however: [03:43] Package mehrheit is not installed. [03:43] ROTFL [03:44] package schrder conflicts with package merkel [03:44] both want to install data into kanzlersitz === Kamping_Kaiser blinks. thats not english [03:44] they dont speak english in germany you know ;) [03:45] backward race ;) === slow-motion [n=xxx@p548DD199.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #kubuntu [03:45] not my fault that KDE's codename is kanzler :-) [03:45] lol [03:45] as i say, kde is fsater than zee germans themselves ;) === othomas loves it when mutual dependencies conflict with each other [03:45] but is kanzler useable? [03:45] how can i change the size of the desktop icons? [03:45] or best left alone? [03:45] hallo [03:45] lol buz === tvo [n=tobi@5354EA9B.cable.casema.nl] has joined #kubuntu [03:46] (well neither schrder nor merkel is really useable if you ask me. KDE for chancellor!) [03:46] lol [03:47] but then both kde and gnome would get 35% and neither one could rule i guess === keijo [n=keijo@a81-197-172-136.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #kubuntu [03:47] does nobody know how i can change the size of icons on the desktop? === Budda_ is now known as Budda^AA === faked [n=faked@83-65-238-179.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has joined #kubuntu === Chambers_ [n=Thom@pcp02906040pcs.roylok01.mi.comcast.net] has joined #kubuntu [03:52] loool morrow :) [03:52] !start a chancellor war [03:52] aftertaf: Are you on ritalin? [03:52] Budda: go to the control center [03:52] oh it already started ;) [03:53] Budda: appearance & themes -> icons [03:57] mhh somehow, ubotu isnt very friendly ;) [03:57] lol [03:57] keeps telling people they are on drugs ;) [03:57] apokryphos, thx [03:57] ask if he's a bot.. [03:57] buz. its probably right :) [03:58] ubotu: are you a bot? [03:58] buz: I haven't a clue [03:58] that explains [03:58] !bot [03:58] I'm a bot, I'm a bot. Set fire to me, I'll get hot. Reply to aftertaf? I think not. Bot, got, chicken... rhyming sucks. === chavo [n=chavo@217.sub-70-196-175.myvzw.com] has joined #kubuntu [03:58] !ubotu [03:58] Thaaat's me! I'm a bot, not a human. I'm sometimes the most coherent poster on #ubuntu! For more, ask me about "add". You can browse my brain on http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/ [03:58] lol [03:59] lol. love it [03:59] cc.com.au? [03:59] boing..... [03:59] im outta here ;) [04:05] ok lets see if kanzler works ;) [04:05] i'll upgrade to breezy later this week any way === buz [n=buz@80-218-105-74.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #kubuntu [04:11] ok, kde still comes up [04:11] but the window deco looks kinda weird [04:12] pager now displays contents, nice [04:12] mmmmmmmmmmmmm [04:13] it still is plastik [04:13] but somehow, the buttons look quite edgy [04:13] might be intentional though [04:13] i think they were more rounded before [04:14] decoupled taskbar now has some animations === ml-- [n=kenta@c-b574e353.022-2027-73746f16.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #kubuntu === DaSkreech [n=Me@port0006-abm-adsl.cwjamaica.com] has joined #kubuntu [04:21] i think it might have somehow done something to my fonts === uc50_ic4more [n=robert@d36-69-80.home1.cgocable.net] has joined #kubuntu [04:24] is replacing hoary by breezy in sources.list enough to update to breezy [04:24] (i have backups ;) === Budda^AA [n=aaron@p54ABF825.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #kubuntu ["ich] [04:25] then usual update and dist-upgrade yes [04:25] 906 upgraded, 357 newly installed, 44 to remove and 2 not upgraded. [04:25] After unpacking 453MB of additional disk space will be used. [04:25] buz: In general, yes. [04:25] is that normal? [04:26] sounds about right [04:26] It's possible your installation wasn't complete before [04:26] it probably was ;) [04:26] is it hard to get tv-out working properly? [04:26] ml--: Depends on much [04:26] the 2 not upgraded worries me somewhat [04:26] ml--: Best way to find out is to try [04:27] buz: You can do those manually afterwards if you like [04:27] ah well lets have it download the stuff [04:27] i'll be having holidays as of tomorrow [04:27] Juerd: can you point me to a tutorial? the ones ive found have been tied to the nvidia chipset. [04:27] ml--: No, sorry [04:27] Juerd: ok. ill keep looking. thanks. === iceman005 [n=iceman00@210.213.173.2] has joined #kubuntu === jjesse [n=jjesse@mail.ftpb.com] has joined #kubuntu === Kejk_PL [n=konrad@ark10.internetdsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #kubuntu [04:34] Hello, Kubuntu will be relesed with stable 3.5 or with 3.4? === uc50_ic4more [n=robert@d36-69-80.home1.cgocable.net] has left #kubuntu ["Kopete] [04:34] 3.4 [04:35] 3.5 missed stable by about 2 weeks iirc === iceman005 [n=iceman00@210.213.173.2] has joined #kubuntu [04:35] we'll still get 3.5 first I'd say [04:35] I found in wiki, that Kubuntu's autors will wait if 3.5 will be relesed soon after Ubuntu === uc50_ic4more [n=robert@d36-69-80.home1.cgocable.net] has joined #kubuntu [04:36] ok. [04:36] *shrug* doesnt matter to me :) [04:37] 3.5 is still beta, so i would wait putting it into an stable release. :) === thoreauputic [n=prospero@wolax6-099.dialup.optusnet.com.au] has joined #kubuntu === JakubS [n=qba@ain131.internetdsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #kubuntu [04:39] hi thoreauputic [04:39] hi Kamping_Kaiser :) [04:39] :) how are you? [04:39] I hope they release kubuntu soon, I'll install 3.5 from unoficial repo, but now I need next stable release :P [04:39] morrow: so far 3.5 works nicely [04:39] whereas sofar is the last 20min [04:40] Kejk_PL: soon is about 25 days :) [04:41] in first day of October would be great :) [04:41] not gonna happen [04:41] try 13th :) [04:41] */days [04:41] Dapper is the next release after Breezy? [04:41] yep === soliste [n=soliste@cimiez-1-82-228-241-32.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu [04:42] What animal? [04:42] Dodo? :-) [04:42] it is not for me in fact, but I don't want to installl preview version for my sisters - they won't cope with any bug :P [04:42] DaSkreech: duck [04:42] *drake === Kamping_Kaiser bangs head on wall. i have to stop saying *duck* fsk.it === sveri [n=sveri@p54B91974.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu === DaSkreech liked the hog theme :-( [04:44] o_0 there was only one hog. not long to get to like it === mihai [n=mihai@85.186.104.14] has joined #kubuntu [04:44] Ground hog === regeya [n=shane@adsl-sp3-cdale176.micgi.com] has joined #kubuntu [04:44] Hedge hog [04:45] Wart hog [04:45] there was 'hoary hedgehog' and 'breezy badger' [04:45] Warty Warthog [04:45] and they are debating a 'grumpy groundhog' [04:45] true. my bad :/ [04:45] and breezy was to be Grumpy Ground hog [04:45] They switched it like two weeks before === uc50_ic4more [n=robert@d36-69-80.home1.cgocable.net] has left #kubuntu ["Kopete] [04:46] grumpy groundhog is being thought of to be ubuntus Sid === DaSkreech needs to stop putting a space before hog [04:46] lol [04:46] i'm for humping ape [04:46] With Mono? [04:46] how about ubuntu 7.20, the Randy Geek release? [04:47] Comes with Sex? [04:47] would be good. [04:47] http://projects.df.net/sex [04:47] df ==sf [04:47] Bah I know you are lazy [04:47] http://projects.sf.net/sex [04:49] lol. yeh, i waited [04:49] Oh wait :) [04:49] http://bofh.ntk.net/Bastard2.html [04:50] http://sourceforge.net/projects/sex/ [04:50] Whoops :-) [04:50] rock ooooooon! [04:51] mmmm [04:51] apt-get install sex [04:51] depends: whois man finger [04:51] ;) === avinoam [n=avinoam@cablep-179-173-212.cablep.bezeqint.net] has joined #kubuntu [04:53] I have a question- I'm trying to install kmuddy and there are ubuntu versions of files that are not enough up to date === ilba7r [n=ilba7r@d141-64-4.home.cgocable.net] has joined #kubuntu [04:54] Kamping_Kaiser:Oh Right you don't know the meaning of Randy Geek [04:54] apt: updatedb; locate; talk; date; cd; strip; look; touch; finger; unzip; uptime; gawk; head; apt-get install condom; mount; fsck; gasp; more; yes; yes; yes; more; umount; apt-get remove --purge condom; make clean; sleep, or super extractor, http://sf.net/projects/sex/ [04:55] LOLOLOL [04:55] DaSkreech: i didnt have time for that... geek :P [04:55] I even tried updating based on debian unstable files, but that's also problematic [04:55] That was the ad for SuperEXtractor :) === othomas wonders what DaSkreech is thinking of to see all that === Kamping_Kaiser blocks 'dirty' sites like sf/sex ;) [04:56] lol [04:56] DaSkreech: yes is kind of infinite, though. [04:56] DaSkreech: the original unix 'sex' was funnier, those apt-get's just ruin the tempo [04:56] anyone have any idea how i can get that package running? [04:56] Juerd: I noticed [04:57] also, 30 year old unix jokes get tired :P [04:57] Yeah well they fit the Randy Geek theme [04:57] pass on viagra, they say it causes blindness....hmmmmmmmmmmmm === Kamping_Kaiser thinks his Randy Geek theme has support ;) [04:58] lol [04:58] DaSkreech: i actually think implementing the DEC wombat is more in keeping with ubuntu style [04:58] wombat was fun [04:58] othomas: pfft, don't pretend you know what i'm talking about, it doesn't work :P [04:59] lol === DaSkreech was just wondering what they heck you were talking about === verwilst [n=verwilst@212.123.1.32] has joined #kubuntu [04:59] As In Alpha DEC? [04:59] 'wombat' == about 30-40 help pages about wombats, their eating, mating, and general habits, hidden deep with DEC's database software [04:59] rofl [05:00] the Wired Wombat... hm... [05:00] Kamping_Kaiser: the best line was 'Wombats: Eating They don't taste too good' [05:01] lol. bloody dec [05:02] Kamping_Kaiser: and DEC's 'make' had the old 'make love' -> 'not war?' 'make war' -> not love?' responses [05:02] mmm. good old days :P [05:03] nikkia, why do you think I have no experience with DEC vax's and microvax's [05:04] othomas: well, it was humourous, perhaps even funny, but i would be surprised to see anyone ever describe a help system as 'fun' [05:05] fun is in a geeks vocabulary when dealing with problems..we live for solving it...:) [05:06] is why your on a help channel...:) === Bicchi [n=chatzill@pur23f5.fiu.edu] has joined #kubuntu [05:06] no, othomas, your here to laugh at new users ;) [05:08] HAHAHAHAH [05:08] i just found where 'terminal' has moved to [05:08] after how long using breezy? *slaps head* === Kamping_Kaiser searches for root term now [05:08] Kamping_Kaiser: a small bungalow outside southend ? [05:09] nikkia: close === Bicchi [n=chatzill@pur23f5.fiu.edu] has left #kubuntu [] [05:17] o.+ [05:17] o_o [05:17] +.o [05:17] 0.o [05:17] o.0 [05:17] in ktorrent is there a way to see if your connecting to the tracker properly, so if your port forwarding is working? [05:20] how will the policy for oo2 be in breezy? [05:20] right now it's very up to date [05:20] later all. [05:21] have fun. good luck [05:21] u2, sleep well === nikkia laughs at her electricity bill === pcaro [n=pcaro@19.Red-80-59-20.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #kubuntu === mikl [n=mikkel@pdpc/supporter/active/mikl] has joined #Kubuntu [05:25] quit === pcaro [n=pcaro@19.Red-80-59-20.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has left #kubuntu ["Konversation] === hussam [n=hussam@194.126.31.19] has joined #kubuntu === _jose_ [n=jose@n104135.unileon.es] has joined #kubuntu === _jose__ [n=jose@n104135.unileon.es] has joined #kubuntu === _jose__ [n=jose@n104135.unileon.es] has joined #kubuntu === _jose_ [n=jose@n104135.unileon.es] has left #kubuntu ["Konversation] === _jose_ [n=jose@n104135.unileon.es] has joined #kubuntu [05:33] It's a reall pitty Breezy won't have kde 3.5 === nathan_ [n=nathan@220-253-101-38.TAS.netspace.net.au] has joined #kubuntu === apokryphos nods === LokeDK [i=loke@216-55-137-12.dedicated.abac.net] has joined #kubuntu === `TUX` [n=princosc@ppp-217-133-31-196.cust-adsl.tiscali.it] has joined #kubuntu [05:35] Where can I choose alsa as sound server? [05:35] It there any change that kde 3.5 can hit archive.ubuntu.com once it goes final? [05:35] instead of arts [05:36] hussam: i doubt it [05:36] then again, i barely care [05:36] buz: when is kde 3.5 due for release? [05:36] dunno, really [05:36] but it would have to be fast it's only beta 1 after all [05:36] works btw [05:36] LokeDK: alsa is no sound server, its the interface to the card (aka driver) [05:37] Errors were encountered while processing: [05:37] /var/cache/apt/archives/openoffice.org2-common_1.9.129-0.1ubuntu1_all.deb [05:37] hussam: I heard kde 3.5 would be backported ASAP === nathan_ [n=nathan@220-253-101-38.TAS.netspace.net.au] has left #kubuntu ["Leaving"] [05:37] ok aside of that, breezy install went flawless save for the usual LOCALE complaints [05:37] Okay what I meant.. but I prefer alsa than arts [05:37] kubuntu pride itself on being first with releasing binary kde updates [05:37] ok lets see if the updat eworked [05:37] buz: Yeah I upgraded to breezy as well a week ago [05:38] Beautiful KDE PDF docs: http://users.ox.ac.uk/~chri1802/kde/pdf-stuff/userguide-index.pdf === m-fox [n=m-fox@port-212-202-8-119.dynamic.qsc.de] has left #kubuntu ["Kopete] [05:38] LokeDK: you may be confused - alsa is a sound architecture, artsd is a sound daemon like esound [05:38] Eventually all of them will be available from a site (and there'll be an easy make file for them) [05:38] LokeDK: IOW, artsd uses alsa [05:38] thoreauputic: thats a gross oversimplification :) [05:39] nikkia: of course it is [05:39] Okay I guess I have misunderstood something [05:39] :) [05:39] thoreauputic: weirdly, alsa *can* act as a sort of sound daemon [05:39] nikkia: KISS principle? === LokeDK [i=loke@216-55-137-12.dedicated.abac.net] has left #kubuntu ["Leaving"] [05:40] nikkia: but if you can explain it more accurately, of course that would be preferable :) [05:40] thoreauputic: the problem is, there are two aspects of alsa, that are *usually* interconnected, but not necessarily so [05:40] there are the drivers, and the sound library (asound) [05:40] nikkia: OK that's interesting [05:40] the sound library doesn't actually have to use alsa as its back end [05:41] for example, and this is where its going to get weird... [05:41] i have alsa as my sound drivers, on top of that runs jack, then i have alsa configured to use jackplug as its output device [05:41] anybody had trouble with ppc networking with the last few updates? [05:41] that means programs that try to write to alsa for audio playback, play via jack, which plays via alsa :) === [ITA] MisterX [n=casadio@host190-175.pool8257.interbusiness.it] has joined #kubuntu [05:42] nikkia: good luck walking hussam through that labyrinth - you've lost me now too :D [05:42] thoreauputic: I'm not the one who asked about alsa [05:42] nikkia: sond on linux is a mystery wrapped in an enigma for me :) [05:43] my breezy test box is dead-in-the-water [05:43] thoreauputic: jack is the key, IMO [05:43] hussam: oops - sorry [05:43] hussam: I meant LokeDK of course [05:43] thoreauputic: the only limitation i have, with jack, is that i have to stop the jack server to run my (work) java apps with sound, because the lwjgl doesn't like being wrapped with any 'oss wrapper' for some reason [05:44] thoreauputic: got that :) [05:44] can anyone see me? === nikkia stares blindly at noatun [05:44] it just popped up a OSD with 'Lick your partners flac' :) [05:45] o_O === regeya uses amarok, so ok, heh [05:46] good morning everyone [05:46] morning nalioth :) [05:46] Hi nalioth [05:46] was wonderin if anyone could see me [05:46] eep [05:46] nalioth: I ccan confirm your virtual existence ;) [05:46] the korean versions of firefox binaries were infected with a linux virus! [05:47] bugzilla is down [05:47] nalioth, yeah, network and X both died on me after yesterday's update [05:47] (re: your question in u-devel) [05:47] nikkia: link? [05:47] seth_k: well then, that begs the question.. .. .. [05:47] thoreauputic: http://www.viruslist.com/en/weblog?calendar=2005-09 [05:47] thoreauputic: front page of /. === thoreauputic realises he should google [05:47] thoreauputic: i imagine the distro specific builds were ok [05:47] ah /. OK [05:48] thank you both :) [05:48] seth_k: how does one recover from the network snafu? my x works fine on the ibook, just no network [05:48] before anyone says 'this is fine, don't run it as root' remember that you're actually supposed to run firefox and thunderbird as root *once* initially to seed the global profile stuff === nalioth alreaday knows the answer to his own question [05:49] nikkia: really? i haven't run any member of the mozilla family as root in a long long time [05:50] nalioth: yep, its 'required' to setup stuff like the plugin registry [05:50] nalioth: presumably the apt install scripts run as root though - well , not presumably; they have to === freemanen [n=freemane@h30n2fls22o1051.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #kubuntu [05:50] thoreauputic: they probably install a pre-seeded global profile [05:50] um.. dpkg [05:50] and i'm surprised, its actually a proper virus === nalioth counts on his fingers when the optimum day would be to d/l a daily breezy image [05:51] as in old school 'attaches itself to other executables and spreads' stuff [05:51] nikkia: as you say, distro specific versions should avoid this issue [05:51] thoreauputic: yeah, i imagine most distros build from source [05:52] nikkia: and hopefully *look* at the source code... umm .. I wonder === sorush20 [n=sorush20@82-43-184-143.cable.ubr07.newm.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #kubuntu [05:52] guys where are the kde headers [05:53] i update to breezy an now seem to have spellchecking activated in kopete and kmail. how can i switch the languages there? [05:53] sorush20: look in kynaptic for kde*-dev === ml--- [n=kenta@c-9a2ce655.217-9-64736c12.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #kubuntu === _patrick [n=patrick@g87066.upc-g.chello.nl] has joined #kubuntu [05:57] nxv_: it checks what locales you're using, likely; check in systemsettings [05:59] apokryphos: i switch between german and englisch but i use us als keyboard layout [05:59] ok [05:59] apokryphos: no way to have a switch like those for the keyboard layouts ? === `TUX` [n=princosc@ppp-217-133-31-196.cust-adsl.tiscali.it] has joined #kubuntu [06:03] nxv_: what switch does it have? Some keypress? [06:04] apokryphos: its a switch in the taskbar, but a shortcut would be fine too [06:05] nxv_: there doesn't seem to be one like that, nope [06:05] it wouldn't be easily implemented though (apps would have to be restarted for it to take effect etc) [06:05] a pity === _pablo [n=pablo@25.Red-80-59-30.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #kubuntu [06:06] thats one of the advantages of having a system-wide spell check provider :/ === Doncasper [n=Fahey@66.158.77.250] has joined #kubuntu [06:08] Thar music player can you choose to kubuntu i don't like kaffeine? 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[07:01] chx: lots of us [07:02] <_andreas> works fine here [07:02] <_andreas> breezy is really nice [07:02] <_andreas> my last dist-upgrade brought me a shining new kdm [07:03] OK [07:03] Then... how do I do it? Looked at the breezy-preview page [07:03] I guess I need to change apt sources [07:04] chx: just edit your sources.lst and change references from hoary to breezy [07:04] chx: however there are no backports section last i heard [07:04] <_andreas> what's a backport === JRe [n=jre@pai34-2-82-226-199-36.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu [07:05] things backported into hoary [07:05] geez === godzero [n=godzero@c-24-118-30-116.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #kubuntu [07:06] that's deep. 593 Mbytes of packages? [07:06] for the upgrade? a little more for me [07:06] depends on how much you have installed i guess [07:07] sure [07:07] a new libc? === chx fears a little. === ubuntu [n=ubuntu@adsl-219-15-232.asm.bellsouth.net] has joined #kubuntu === konfuzed [n=konfuzed@H129.C72.B0.tor.eicat.ca] has joined #kubuntu [07:08] hmmm, does anyone here know if breezy will come with KDE 3.5 or not ? [07:09] spiral: likely not. [07:09] Riddell: what version of kde will breezy be? [07:09] spiral: you living in the future? [07:09] isn't it 3.4.x or something like that? [07:09] jjesse: 3.4.2 currently === jukka [n=jukka@a81-197-117-40.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #kubuntu === qbit [n=qbit@66-44-107-2.s1272.apx2.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com] has joined #kubuntu [07:12] jjesse: 3.4.2 [07:12] thanks Riddell [07:12] spiral: 3.5 will be out too late for breezy === rafael [n=rafael@201-13-43-199.dsl.telesp.net.br] has joined #kubuntu [07:13] Riddell: all right, thanks for the confirmation... We'll have to wait for the backports === rafael is now known as forsaken_ === forsaken_ [n=rafael@201-13-43-199.dsl.telesp.net.br] has left #kubuntu ["Konversation] [07:14] Riddell: will the beta1 packages be complete later on? === JRe [n=jre@pai34-2-82-226-199-36.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu [07:15] backports will provide for your *blinG* addictions [07:15] toma: probably not I'm afraid but I'll do what I can [07:16] Riddell: ok, fair enough. [07:16] to my understanding, Debian Sid / Etch is undergoing something called a "C++ ABI transition". Some packages (konversation for eg.) are available for this new system only. Question is: Breezy is after or before this? [07:17] chx: breezy has completed that transition [07:17] cool. It's not that I have the slightest idea of what I am talking of, I just would like to get Konversation 0.18 from a deb and for that I am dist-upgrading now. === Johnny- [n=johnny-@dsl-hmlgw1ida.dial.inet.fi] has joined #kubuntu === bazan [n=bazan@APlessis-Bouchard-152-1-51-6.w82-121.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #kubuntu [07:17] chx, the transition is scarier than it sounds [07:18] it basically boils down to 'compile the OS and apps with gcc 4.0 instead of 3.3' [07:18] Is the preview version how "preview", stable? [07:18] erm [07:18] i mean 'sounds scarier than it is' [07:18] Johnny-: I've had no problems with it [07:18] not sure how i managed to type the exact opposite [07:18] nikkia: you mean that Deb. and Ubuntu folks have recompiled _all_ stuff? [07:18] I got scared by it, I still get c++ transition nightmares sometimes [07:18] chx, i imagine so, it doesn't take long [07:19] chx, i'm running LFS, it took me about 2 days to build the base OS, and another 3-4 to get KDE, et al, compiled [07:19] nikkia: from what Riddell said, it does not sound like a garden party [07:19] chx, packaging new packages necessarily involves recompiling them anyway [07:19] jjesse, good to know :) [07:20] chx, for 99% of the apps on the OS, it probably isn't an issue at all, you just recompile [07:20] chx, for that 1% that's where the mess is, if the compile fails because of a 4.0 change (and there are a few) then you have to patch it, or hope someone upstream already has [07:20] Johnny-: several people in this channel said to me that breezy preview is already OK [07:21] chx, ok [07:21] chx, the hardest part of such a transition is actually probably organising the contributors to rebuild their packages, debian has more contributors than ubuntu, thus it will take longer for them [07:21] Johnny-: and quite frankly, just a month before release it needs to be nearly stable... [07:21] ohhhhwww.... kdm launches but it then falls back to console, & I don't see it again with kde 3.5beta1... am I the only one ? [07:22] Yep [07:22] chx: it is if you remember it's goin thru major bugfixes atm [07:24] chx, btw, in one sense an ABI transition can be a good thing [07:24] chx, it gives you a good excuse to sort out the no-longer-responding contributors from the general pack [07:25] oh yes === Cem_ [n=cem0r@dsl-082-083-033-133.arcor-ip.net] has joined #kubuntu [07:26] I am a lead programmer of a much smaller project (Drupal CMS) and we learned that one of the good things in not keeping backwards compatibility is that non-maintained contributed modules will nicely not work :) [07:27] spiral: check /var/log/kdm.log [07:27] I thought the 4.0 transistion would wind up pushing back breezy. A lot of unknowns when you switch ABIs [07:27] Riddell: looks like he lost the mouse ? :-P [07:27] spiral: can you start X? === Kinomees [n=kinomees@85.196.202.25] has joined #kubuntu [07:28] Riddell: it wants to use /dev/input/mice, & I don't have it ? :-P [07:29] spiral: could be the broken udev [07:29] what version of udev do you have? [07:29] Riddell: 0.060-1ubuntu13 === Gimist [n=rrichie@vfc69-1-82-233-45-250.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu === Gimist is now known as rrichie [07:30] hi all === smux [n=smux@home.mescaline.fr] has joined #kubuntu [07:30] spiral: that's the broken one, you want ubuntu14, try using the .gb mirror if it's not on your one [07:31] Riddell: all right, I'll check this, thanks [07:31] i just installed kde 3.5beta 1 ubuntu packages but i don't have any more the bottom bar. Is there a command to make it appear? === totom [n=totom@ANancy-151-1-35-5.w83-196.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #kubuntu [07:31] rrichie: kicker [07:32] riddell : it says it is already running [07:32] rrichie: did you restart kdm after updating? [07:32] yes [07:32] the wonders of the 'Net. The lead developer tells you off head that "you want ubuntu14". But of course. There are only a few thousand deb packages it's not a wonder he knows all versions. [07:32] i reseted my computer === pc22 [n=quicksil@222.126.13.162] has joined #kubuntu [07:33] rrichie: is it in your ps ? [07:33] chx: I got hit with the udev problem earlier today :) === othomas [n=othomas@71-12-17-242.dhcp.spbg.sc.charter.com] has joined #kubuntu [07:33] hi all [07:33] hello othomas [07:33] Riddell: this might explain why my sound didn't work without doing snddevices at boot [07:33] ok i killed kicker but when i relaunch it the bar appear but disappear just after (seems it is outside the screen) [07:33] :) [07:34] rrichie: which version of kicker is installed? [07:35] 3.4.91 === dominik [n=dominik@p54AE08F4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu [07:35] do i need to delete my old kde settings ? [07:35] (~/.kde) ? [07:35] Riddell: but still, it's a warm and comfortable feeling to talk directly to someone who surely knows :) [07:35] rrichie: no, but you could try with a new user to see if it is the problem === blueyed [n=daniel@i538716AD.versanet.de] has joined #kubuntu [07:36] hi [07:36] rrichie: can you cp ~/.kde/share/config/kickerrc somewhere, killall kicker, rm that rc file then start kicker again? [07:36] hi OculusAquilae [07:36] ok let's try it [07:37] YES [07:38] rrichie: fixed? [07:38] yes [07:38] thank you very much for the help riddell [07:38] rrichie: can you put that nasty kickerrc file on a web server somewhere so I could take a look at it === sorush20 [n=sorush20@82-43-184-143.cable.ubr07.newm.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #kubuntu [07:39] euh [07:39] where ? === sorush20 [n=sorush20@82-43-184-143.cable.ubr07.newm.blueyonder.co.uk] has left #kubuntu [] [07:39] anywhere I can get it [07:39] or e-mail to jriddell@ubuntu.com [07:40] ok i'm mailing it [07:40] Riddell: pastebins are good =) === spiral [n=spiral@laf31-2-82-224-249-43.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu [07:40] can i upload a file on pastebin ? [07:40] rrichie: go to http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl and paste it in there === joni [n=joni@a84-230-191-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #kubuntu === KWizzard [n=wizzard@chello085216170248.chello.sk] has joined #kubuntu === hstirler [n=hstirler@p54841994.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu === hstirler [n=hstirler@p54841994.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has left #kubuntu ["Konversation] === The|Brain [n=hstirler@p54841994.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu === The|Brain [n=hstirler@p54841994.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has left #kubuntu ["Konversation] [07:42] pasted in paste.ubuntulinux.nl [07:43] http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2417 === Cem_ is now known as Plastefuchs [07:44] is it ok ? === chx [n=chx@unaffiliated/chx] has left #kubuntu ["Konversation] [07:44] rrichie: yep, seems to have worked [07:44] good :) [07:45] do you know if there will be the others kde 3.5b1 packages like kdenetwork ? [07:45] for ubuntu i mean [07:46] rrichie: you have AutoHidePanel=true === jps [n=jps@a84-230-191-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #kubuntu [07:46] that's why it was disappearing :) === michael [n=michael@0x535b0d16.virnxx15.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has joined #kubuntu [07:46] ;-) [07:46] no because when i put my mouse cursor on bottom it didn't come back [07:47] hmm, works fine for me [07:47] baah everything is ok for now :) [07:49] please will there be the rest of kde 3.5b1 packages for ubuntu ? [07:50] Riddell told me earlier that probably will not happen === mcp_dk [n=michael@0x535b0d16.virnxx15.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has joined #kubuntu [07:50] arggg [07:52] can anyone confirm or deny that breezy's kernel supports xfs? === JensK [n=JensK@p54907E69.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #kubuntu [07:52] rrichie: upgrading to 3.5 I can confirm your problem [07:53] ahhh :) === `TUX` [n=princosc@ppp-217-133-31-196.cust-adsl.tiscali.it] has left #kubuntu ["Hello,] === rrichie is now known as rrichEating [07:54] lol [07:54] buz: grep -i xfs /boot/config- [07:54] well i guess it has xfs. [07:55] xfs complains about the partition not being right but the old kernel boots just fine [07:55] can anyone recommend at easy to use FTP client for Kubuntu with a graphical interface [07:56] mcp_dk: konqueror? [07:56] mozilla? [07:57] konqi ;) [07:57] mozilla aint a real client, it only supports downloads afaik === KWizzard [n=wizzard@chello085216170248.chello.sk] has joined #kubuntu [07:57] is there a video player with native support for kioslaves? [07:58] buz: konqueror? [07:58] just kidding [07:58] well, konqueror *can* embed videos :D [07:59] yes [07:59] kftpgrabber [07:59] but it's not entirely useful for that ;) [08:00] i need a client that will allow for uploads as well and that is good and stable. and preferrably also has a sitelist or something like that. Is konquror good as FTP client or does it simply also work as a FTP client ? [08:00] mcp_dk: it's great as an ftp client [08:01] mcp_dk: and, what would a sitelist do exactly? [08:01] mcp_dk: it is good. you can easily split your screen to see a traditional ftp layout and you can make favorites. [08:01] to konqi, ftp is just like any other kioslave it uses [08:02] so basically the same as locally === apokryphos fishes everything on his server [08:02] well, if I'm using GUI [08:04] mhh yeah fish and sftp are nice ;) [08:05] mpf [08:05] kat makes kded crash [08:05] mcp_dk: kftpgrabber [08:05] I wonder if kbear is still being developed [08:05] htf do i get rid of kat [08:06] buz: ctrl+alt+esc! [08:06] mhh that ended up killing kicker as well [08:07] did you click on the kicker entry or something? :/ [08:07] might have done, thinking of it [08:07] in blind rage ;) [08:07] still, I thought that was only ever set to kill one app/window, weird. [08:07] hehe [08:08] rrichEating: http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=113022 === buz [n=buz@80-218-105-74.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #kubuntu [08:08] mhh not giving kat anything to index helps ;) [08:08] it was in fact kat killing kded ;) [08:09] kat's seemed really slow for me; might have to change options [08:09] Ubuntu is actually the first distro I've had where the conventional gui find doesn't crash on opening [08:09] it seems pretty useless [08:09] at least until it get spotlight like integration [08:10] is kde 3.5 featurefrozen? [08:10] buz: it is [08:10] if i want to download the daily kubuntu build where do i go? [08:10] too bad [08:10] locate/find/greps generally do the job for me. But a GUI find is useful for seeing-and-dragging [08:10] the pop up on the pager is really neat [08:10] buz: but the kat GUI is a throwaway [08:10] jjesse: cdimage.ubuntu.com === slicslak [n=slicslak@S0106000f66e13f97.ed.shawcable.net] has joined #kubuntu [08:10] even neater would be the ability to click on individual apps ;) [08:10] jjesse: don't use todays [08:11] jjesse: today's CD build is boken [08:11] Riddell: ok i won't [08:11] jjesse: yesterday's was fine (but doesn't come with adept) [08:11] Riddell: that's what i wanted, see my email to you [08:12] Riddell: if i just do an apt-get update apt-get dist-upgrade does it update it to include apdet then or should i want for another day? [08:12] now if i could figure out what's wrong with my kernel... [08:13] jjesse: yes in theory it should [08:13] although I just did that from hoary and it doesn't seem to have brought it in.. wonder why [08:13] Riddell: grin i guess the only way tto know is try it ? [08:13] apt-get install kubuntu-desktop does [08:14] jjesse: did you not have kubuntu-desktop before dist-upgrading? === slow-motion_ [n=xxx@p548DD199.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #kubuntu [08:14] apokryphos: i installed from the preview cd and it didn't include adept [08:14] so is the best way just to update or install it? [08:15] there might be something wrong with the postfix deb [08:15] it tries to start postfix without stopping it first? [08:15] jjesse: it wasn't in back then, as far as I know; if you had k-d (before upgrading) though it should bring adept in anyway [08:16] checking [08:16] wow adept is neat [08:16] somewhat unconventional gui though === setote [i=0@ip68-108-160-170.lv.lv.cox.net] has joined #kubuntu [08:18] buz: good way of putting it; I just said it reminded me a little of html frames :P === qbit [n=qbit@66-44-107-2.s1272.apx2.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com] has left #kubuntu [] === `Nomad [n=Bob@stjhnbsu67w-142167000083.nb.aliant.net] has joined #kubuntu [08:18] any here can play with ragnarok under ubuntu? === maram [n=mametlle@170.51.236.72] has joined #kubuntu === konfuzed [n=konfuzed@H129.C72.B0.tor.eicat.ca] has joined #kubuntu [08:19] mhh well the upper part is uhm special [08:20] especially those weird blue arrows [08:20] i understand what they're for [08:20] but good ui design it aint [08:20] buz: you should let mornfall know what you think :) === maram [n=mametlle@170.51.236.72] has left #kubuntu ["Konversation] [08:20] mhh i'm no usability whiz [08:21] i like this version a ton better then the alpha release of it [08:21] mhh amarok 1.3 wants to rescan my collection? will me nice settings be gone? [08:21] (maybe it wont crash all 3 tracks, if so, i'm happy ;) [08:22] I think I preferred the design of the alpha, but not all the features of it. === tenshiKur0 [n=tenshiKu@S0106000d93cb5211.vc.shawcable.net] has left #kubuntu ["--out"] [08:24] maybe if my screen wasnt 1600*1200 i had actually use for the arrows in adept ;) === Flying_Eagle [n=f_e@pD9537D92.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #kubuntu [08:25] buz: some people have either small screens or like to keep more space for the package list etc... that's why the filters are collapsible [08:26] it just looks... unconventional [08:26] buz: i don't think it complicates their use as far as you ignore the arrows [08:26] that's true [08:26] the fact that you cant sort by attributes is more irritating [08:26] hmm, sort by attributes? [08:26] (sorting is completely not implemented atm, so that may be why :-)) [08:27] yeah say packages, installed.... by clicking column header ;) [08:27] well, that's not very useful is it? [08:27] maybe give an use-case :-) [08:27] well it's helpful if you know that something is installed [08:28] or not installed (say with a lot of *openoffice* packages) [08:28] oh and it reliably crashes when i try to install mozilla-mplayer [08:28] there's the status filter for that [08:28] buz: broken packages? [08:28] mhh dunno [08:28] doesnt even start it seems [08:28] buz: SIGABRT? [08:28] let's see what apt-get says [08:29] yeah apt says thepackage is broken [08:29] it cant find mplayer itself [08:29] which is kinda weird [08:29] i need to fix this broken packages snafu [08:30] yeah it might scare people ;) [08:31] but otherwise its above and beyond kynaptic and even beats synaptic [08:31] kudos [08:32] yay :-) === Gimist [n=rrichie@vfc69-1-82-233-45-250.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu === Gimist is now known as rrichie [08:34] now if i could figure out how to use katapult [08:35] !katapult [08:35] Katapult is an application for KDE designed to provide faster access to applications, bookmarks and other items. Once you've installed it, alt+f2 ->katapult, then hit Alt+Space. === apokryphos wonders why ubuntu starts hp printing daemons by default === slow-motion_ is now known as slow-motion [08:36] has anyone tried kopete from svn ? [08:36] mhh katapult is kinda daft [08:36] doesnt seem to want to use urls [08:38] buz: good for bookmarks [08:38] i dont use bookmarks in konqi === uc50_ic4more [n=robert@d36-69-80.home1.cgocable.net] has joined #kubuntu [08:38] i think ill stick to the run applet then === __Ace__ [n=love@h55l211.delphi.afb.lu.se] has joined #kubuntu [08:42] is there any chance to see firefox 1.5 in breezy? [08:42] buz: upstream version freeze [08:43] by means of supplementary repo like for kde maybe? [08:43] that's a different story === buz thinks this whole patch backporting biz for firefox kinda weird [08:44] especially because firefox is pretty much self contained anyhow [08:44] hmh? [08:44] well instead of simply upgrading to the latest version, patches were backported to 1.0.2 for a while [08:45] buz: right, because only bugfixes are allowed -- since they have much smaller risk for regressions [08:45] pretty logical :) === nxv_ [n=nxv_@dsl-084-056-103-207.arcor-ip.net] has joined #kubuntu [08:45] not so sure about that. backporting a bugfix would seem more risk than using an approved vendor release [08:46] (which they eventually did with 1.0.6 ;) === nxv__ [n=nxv_@dsl-084-056-103-207.arcor-ip.net] has joined #kubuntu === zAo^ [n=zao@zAo.xs4all.nl] has joined #kubuntu [08:53] anyone useing kde 3.5 beta? [08:53] yes [08:53] works fine === kalenedrael [n=kalene@c-24-34-92-68.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #kubuntu [08:53] so far anyway [08:53] any new features? [08:54] found some ui tweaks [08:54] thats all? :$ [08:54] yes [08:54] like pager displaying icons of the stuff === konfuzed [n=konfuzed@H129.C72.B0.tor.eicat.ca] has joined #kubuntu [08:55] buz: that's been there for ages, just probably not default [08:55] mhh [08:55] tweaks to default settings then ;) [08:58] does anyone here know wether kde 3.5beta1 apps will also make it to the kde 3.5beta1 repository ? [08:58] Riddell told me earlier that probably will not happen [08:58] toma: sgnifff === |maddox| [n=dox@a212-113-184-103.netcabo.pt] has joined #kubuntu === slow-motion [n=xxx@p548DD199.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #kubuntu ["Verlassend"] [09:00] yeah amarok has played 5 tracks without crash [09:00] new record *EG* === adrianoc [n=adrianoc@c91187fe.bhz.virtua.com.br] has joined #kubuntu === musashi [n=musashi@pool-162-83-57-13.sal.east.verizon.net] has joined #kubuntu [09:09] breezy: celestia has no icon, and segfaults, stellaruim runs great, but no icon again [09:09] I gotta start a list === johlin [n=johan@c-3884e055.441-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #kubuntu === JRe [n=jre@pai34-2-82-226-199-36.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu [09:11] installing a new copy of kubuntu preview shouldn't it say Kubuntu configuration instead of Ubuntu Configuration === konfuzed [n=konfuzed@H129.C72.B0.tor.eicat.ca] has joined #kubuntu === freemanen [n=freemane@h30n2fls22o1051.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #kubuntu === _greg [n=greg@ppp-70-226-156-25.dsl.mdsnwi.ameritech.net] has joined #kubuntu [09:16] and the start up splash screen shouldn't that be Kubuntu instead of ubuntu? [09:17] jjesse: breezy is under heavy developement [09:17] mhh heavy is wrong if there's already upstream freeze [09:17] it's under intense bug fixing ;) [09:17] when i click on Devices in configuration in kopete in kde3.5 it crashed saying :unable to resolve GL/GLX symbols - please check your GL library installation. [09:17] nalioth: i understand that [09:20] Is kde 3.5 using gl tweeks? [09:20] don't know but it seems it does === _rikva|laptop [n=rikva@213-84-30-137.xs4all.nl] has joined #kubuntu [09:22] i think it uses plain xorg [09:22] cause i dont have gl configured ;) [09:23] let's see [09:23] buz : what version are you using ? === adrianoc [n=adrianoc@c91187fe.bhz.virtua.com.br] has joined #kubuntu [09:23] 3.5b1 === _rikva|laptop [n=rikva@213-84-30-137.xs4all.nl] has left #kubuntu ["Konversation] [09:23] like me great :) [09:23] but kopete has no devices?? === Spudchat [n=Spuddle@ppp-69-222-176-208.dsl.chcgil.ameritech.net] has joined #kubuntu [09:23] does it work for you ? [09:24] buz ? [09:24] what === _StarScream [n=am@81-178-240-82.dsl.pipex.com] has joined #kubuntu [09:25] does click on the device menu make kopete crash ? [09:26] where0s that menu?? === spiral [n=spiral@laf31-2-82-224-249-43.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu [09:28] in configuration === krawek [n=overman@dinip129.univalle.edu.co] has joined #kubuntu [09:28] hi [09:29] cant find it [09:29] ?? [09:29] <_StarScream> anyone here have an ibook? [09:29] I have problems with sound in breezy [09:30] <_StarScream> krawek: you may need to be more helpful in your description === Somez [n=somez@dsl51B66012.pool.t-online.hu] has joined #kubuntu === Somez [n=somez@dsl51B66012.pool.t-online.hu] has left #kubuntu ["Konversation] === ToyMan2 [n=stuq@69.86.106.74] has joined #kubuntu [09:31] I does't have sound but the drivers are loaded [09:31] I update to breezy (yesterday) [09:32] <_StarScream> krawek: and it was working before breezy [09:32] I don't know... [09:32] <_StarScream> is your card supported under linux? [09:32] _StarScream: yes but i run osx on it [09:33] yes, in hoary works... [09:33] the chipset is VIA [09:33] <_StarScream> krawek: well thats what i was asking before! Anyway, breezy isn't stable yet. [09:33] krawek: what board [09:33] <_StarScream> might be worth seeing if there is a known problem [09:34] buz: asus [09:34] which one [09:34] <_StarScream> buz: k thanks but i was looking for someone running linux of some description on it [09:34] i got a asus k8v se which works fine on breezy [09:34] <_StarScream> buz: trying to speed up the graphics [09:34] that could be hard [09:34] i dont think theres binary ati drivers for ppc [09:34] ?8v-deluxe [09:35] is it socket939 oder 754? [09:35] 939 [09:35] that's the a8v [09:35] i had that until i killed it [09:35] worked under hoary [09:35] cant tell about breezy [09:35] i think it got realtek sound on it, though [09:35] <_StarScream> buz: yeh i realise that. Just not sure why i can run tuxracer without lag but switching desktops is fairly latent === _dennis [n=dennis@p50902B80.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu [09:35] that is kinda weird, yes [09:37] ok === freemanen [n=freemane@h30n2fls22o1051.bredband.comhem.se] has left #kubuntu ["Konversation] === Timmmm [n=t@host86-132-26-5.range86-132.btcentralplus.com] has joined #kubuntu [09:42] Hi, how can I make kubuntu *not* load the prism54 module ever. It conflicts with ndiswrapper. On Gentoo I think there was an /etc/modules.ignore file or something but debian/kubuntu doesn't seem to have that. [09:43] Question mark. === uc50_ic4more [n=robert@d36-69-80.home1.cgocable.net] has left #kubuntu ["Kopete] === libben [n=libben@c80-216-84-228.cm-upc.chello.se] has joined #kubuntu [09:44] Timmmm: echo "prism54" > /etc/hotplug/blacklist.d/prism [09:44] Timmmm: Remove it from /etc/modules and add it to /etc/hotplug/blacklist [09:44] .d, right [09:44] Ahh cool. Thanks [09:44] That new modular stuff still isn't reaching my brain. [09:44] Everything's .d nowadays. [09:44] /nick morrow.d :-) [09:45] Juer.d :) [09:45] Yeah crazy linux. Removes the useful file extensions and adds crazy pointless directory extensions. [09:45] Instead of changing package management to deal with portions of text files, the system is changed to deal with the package managers [09:46] I blame lack of C++ [09:46] I really do miss the good old [09:46] # DO NOT EDIT BELOW THIS LINE [09:46] # YOU CAN EDIT THINGS BELOW THIS LINE AGAIN [09:46] And too much bash/sh/awk/sed/perl/etc [09:46] heh [09:46] That in fact you weren't supposed to edit either, although it usually didn't mention that. [09:46] booting breezy now, fingers crossed. === toma is now known as toma_ [09:47] toma: Don't cross fingers. It makes typing hard. === regeya [n=shane@adsl-sp3-cdale176.micgi.com] has joined #kubuntu === chx [n=chx@unaffiliated/chx] has joined #kubuntu [09:50] I have a serious problem [09:51] ls -l /usr/lib [09:51] total 0 [09:51] how can i list what is loaded ? [09:51] i can't even run apt to fix [09:51] daemons === Tonio [n=tonio@tonio.planetemu.net] has joined #kubuntu [09:58] Help! It seems I nicely fucked up everything. Now I will need to reinstall OS that's fine how could I that so that my settings are not touched? === rafa [n=rafa@85.136.70.111] has joined #kubuntu [09:59] chx: How did you manage to delete all of that? [10:00] hi! [10:00] Mirussa: I have ideas but should I make it public how fucking stupid I am? [10:00] I wanna remove useless daemons, like hprinting services... i dont have a printer. how do i remove them? [10:00] chx: yes =) [10:00] Mirussa: instead, please, help :) [10:00] just tell us what u did [10:01] chx: I'm fairly new at all of this myself, so I'm just wondering so I know what to avoid so I don't get in the same mess myself.. because I'm likely to do stupid things myself [10:01] everyone is n00b at some point on everything they do === chx admitts that he fsck'd a mounted filesystem. [10:02] at least my home dir in not on that FS. [10:02] so, how do we proceed? [10:02] nikkia: ping === rikva|laptop [n=rikva@213-84-30-137.xs4all.nl] has joined #kubuntu === godzero [n=godzero@c-24-118-30-116.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #kubuntu [10:04] maybe the newly joined can help.. It seems I nicely fucked up everything. Now I will need to reinstall OS that's fine how could I that so that my settings are not touched? [10:04] Hi all, I'm completely confused. I want to install w32codecs on Hoary, and I activated universe and multiverse but I can't find the package. I copied the sources.list from my desktop PC (that can find w32codecs) en reloaded, but I still can't find it. Any suggestions? [10:04] chx: if your /home is on a different partition just reinstall and set that partition to be /home without formatting it [10:05] I use kubuntu, and I have problems with those windows where is an "administrators mode" button === wincide [n=trax@159.Red-81-37-49.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #kubuntu [10:05] rafa its a known bug [10:05] ok [10:05] think u can use [10:05] alt + F2 === toma_ is now known as toma [10:05] and type kdesu kcontrol [10:05] ok [10:05] thanks [10:05] Riddell: KDE settings are only saved under /home ? [10:05] think ull get to a menu where u can controll things [10:06] do you know if it will be fixed for the next release of kde ?? or it is a kubuntu problem? [10:06] Riddell: and yes, i only fucked up / but not /home . [10:06] rafa: its a breezy problem [10:06] ok, thanks libben [10:07] the problem is gonna be gone in the final breezy [10:07] I wanna remove useless daemons, like hprinting services... i dont have a printer. how do i remove them? and list what i have loaded [10:07] chx: specific user configurations are in /home only, yes. [10:08] libben you can use ksysV [10:08] apokryphos: huh, that's a bit cryptic. What I am going to loose? :( [10:08] I also can't find w32codecs on packages.ubuntu.com -- is it gone? [10:08] chx: kde settings are saved in ~/.kde yes [10:09] rikva, it is only to make sure, but did you do apt-get update after adding universe and multiverse ? [10:09] how do i activate that nice graphical boot thingie of breezy? [10:09] chx: if you borked your /? A lot of stuff, but your kde specifics (mail, icon sets, backgrounds, shortcut commands, specific configs to apps etc) you'll have === jrattner1 [n=jrattner@uhartford216126.hartford.edu] has joined #kubuntu [10:10] rafa: yes i did [10:10] apokryphos: huh, that's reassuring. I think I'll save my modeline from X, too :) [10:12] rikva: apt-cache search w32codecs tell something ? [10:13] rafa: tried that, can't find anything. [10:13] isnt it in extras ? === golanz [n=golan@85.116.131.5] has joined #kubuntu [10:13] I also activated extras === JensK [n=JensK@p54907EA8.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #kubuntu [10:14] The weird thing is, I'm using the exact same sources file as my desktop PC, with w32codecs (installed a while ago) [10:14] rikva|laptop: is it a breezy? [10:14] next time I will put /var on a separate partition too [10:14] libben: nope, both hoary [10:15] k [10:15] my poor mysql databases :( [10:15] |usplash [10:15] and u have made a apt-get update [10:15] and then a apt-cache search [10:15] yes [10:15] yes [10:15] beats me then [10:15] install it from a deb file then? [10:16] rikva [10:16] http://packages.ubuntu.com/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=w32codecs&searchon=names&subword=1&version=hoary&release=all [10:16] could someone please send me (email or dcc) some magical binary with which I can burn a CD ? [10:16] toma: you mean the ugly dark one? ;-) === godzero [n=godzero@c-24-118-30-116.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #kubuntu [10:16] apokryphos: no that brown one? [10:17] toma: sudo dpkg-reconfigure linux-image$(uname -r) [10:17] yeah [10:17] please... [10:17] I wanna remove useless daemons, like hprinting services... i dont have a printer. how do i remove them? and list what i have loaded [10:17] apokryphos: thanks === Tonio [n=tonio@tonio.planetemu.net] has joined #kubuntu [10:17] toma: er, extra hyphen after the image [10:17] I only have a Warty live CD at hand [10:18] downloaded the Breezy preview ISO [10:18] but now what.. [10:18] rikva: here is another repository with w32codecs http://nozell.com/blog/taxonomy/categories/linux/ubuntu/ [10:18] rafa: I see, thanks [10:19] I think I need a static linked cdrdao. Please, please, pretty please! [10:19] "You have searched for w32codecs in packages names and descriptions in all distributions, all sections, and all architectures (including subword matching)." Can't find that string. [10:19] so it's not in my computer ^ === _ethan [n=ethan@pool-70-20-99-251.pitt.east.verizon.net] has joined #kubuntu [10:20] I wanna remove useless daemons, like hprinting services... i dont have a printer. how do i remove them? and list what i have loaded [10:21] libben: /etc/rc2.d/ === david_ [n=david@dslnet.85-22-4.ip84.dokom.de] has joined #kubuntu === _ethan [n=ethan@pool-70-20-99-251.pitt.east.verizon.net] has left #kubuntu ["Konversation] === toma is now known as toma_ [10:24] k [10:24] and then? [10:24] hmm [10:24] please, i dont make ... mount -t vfat //13.13.13.16/Pub /media/pub, what of it has made a mistake ? === ubuntu [n=ubuntu@0x3e42b4d3.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #kubuntu [10:25] libben: remvoe those links you do not need === toma_ is now known as toma === ubuntu is now known as ino === chx prays for a static linked cdrdao. Please, please, pretty please! [10:26] apokryphos: hmm, somthing more sophisticated is needed I guess, but i can live with this, not really important [10:26] rikva: the repository on that link dosen't work for me [10:26] toma: I don't like it much. Looks like an embedded terminal [10:26] (with different colours) [10:26] but googling a little more .... http://wiki.arslinux.com/Ubuntu , and yes, this contains w32codecs [10:26] rafa: you've been looking for w32codecs? [10:26] yes [10:27] I have the link for it :) === m2evorah [n=m2evorah@cs181075115.pp.htv.fi] has joined #kubuntu [10:27] apokryphos: ah yes, true, but having to see the same textt over and over again, is not really sexy wither [10:27] fyi, i'm not the only one with this prob. http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=66693 [10:27] rafa: for hoary, giannaros.org/public/hoarydebs [10:27] either [10:27] Ok nice === david_ [n=david@dslnet.85-22-4.ip84.dokom.de] has left #kubuntu ["Konversation] [10:27] thanks apokryphos [10:28] chx: well, cant see hpprinting services in there === Tonio [n=tonio@tonio.planetemu.net] has joined #kubuntu [10:28] is rc2.d the right place ? [10:28] liben, i have done alt+f2 and then kdesu kcontrol, but it doesn't activate the panels (administrators mode) [10:28] rafa: when u do it it will pop up and ask for ur user password [10:28] and get u to a control program [10:29] where ur supposed to be SU in . [10:29] yes, liben, rc2.d is where all the links to the demons for runlevel 2 are [10:29] what are runlevel 2 ? [10:29] liben, yes I am asked for passwd [10:30] libben, in unix systems there are several runlevel, they are differents "configurations", (please don't kill me for this "definition" :) ) [10:31] well, it was a simple and good explenation [10:31] ur excused =) [10:31] in kunbunt the default one is 2, runlevel 0 is usually single user mode, and 6 is for shutting down [10:31] so runlevel is the normal one ? when booted [10:31] so if i wanted to shutdown the box [10:31] i could enter start rc6.d [10:31] =) [10:32] the S20hotkey-setup i can remove? i dont have a laptop here === Chambers- [n=Thom@pcp02906040pcs.roylok01.mi.comcast.net] has joined #kubuntu [10:32] S20pcmcia i can remove, still no laptop here. [10:33] yes you can delete that link [10:34] those 2 u mean [10:34] yes [10:34] but i cant see where the hpprinting service is. [10:34] grrr [10:34] by the way, if i just rm -rf those 2 files. [10:34] is that a proper way of doing it? [10:34] how do you know that you have hpprinting ? [10:34] rm is the way [10:35] cause when ubuntu starts it tells me in that fancy boot loading that hpprinting is loaded [10:35] and when i saw that i figured i wanted rid of it. [10:35] perhaps it is in cups [10:35] cause i dont use printer [10:35] whats cups then === adrianoc [n=adrianoc@c91187fe.bhz.virtua.com.br] has joined #kubuntu [10:36] cups is something like common unix printing service [10:36] but before we go deep into that, its ok just rm the two files, and its a proper way of doing it. [10:36] libben, just rm the links (they are not files) === chx [n=chx@unaffiliated/chx] has left #kubuntu ["Konversation] [10:37] you could use unlink too, but it is up to you [10:37] tell me the unlink way also [10:37] knew the rm way was the lazy way [10:37] wanna do the proper way [10:37] sudo unlink name_of_the_link [10:38] and when i do that, it will be gone from the folder ? [10:38] cause its just a link in that folder [10:38] and not really a file. [10:38] well, its a file created by link [10:38] ? [10:38] well I think it is a way of doing it, I don't think one is more proper than another [10:39] in unix almost everything is a file, you see the link as a file [10:39] but it is a link === rikva|laptop [n=rikva@213-84-30-137.xs4all.nl] has joined #kubuntu [10:40] when you rm it (or unlink) it will desapear from the directory but not the file that it points to [10:40] what more can i remove in that folder [10:40] what do you have ? [10:40] synaptic will take care about that later =) [10:41] http://pastebin.com/370333 [10:41] thats my ls of rc2.d [10:41] my pc is just a p4 1.7 ghz. 5 years old. [10:41] I don't know if synaptic is aware of the changes in runlevels dirs === ChaKy [n=chaky@83-131-134-168.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #kubuntu [10:42] i was more thinking of uninstalling the hotkeysoftware also. [10:42] after ive unlinked it === smux [n=smux@home.mescaline.fr] has joined #kubuntu [10:42] like hotkey-setup for instance. [10:42] its installed [10:43] and after ive unlinked it, i can also uninstall it. [10:43] yes you can remove that too [10:43] I think that hprinting is S19hplip [10:43] if you don't use modem you can remove S14ppp === test [n=test@205.130.76.83.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #kubuntu [10:43] just use nic's for my internet [10:44] no modem here. [10:44] other one is S19cupsys this one is for cups [10:44] hmm [10:45] why not just complete removal in synaptic on hpprinting packages ? [10:45] one thing, what we are doing du estart this runlevelosen't uninstall or remove the daemons only it won't load the next time yo [10:45] it should unlink it too [10:45] yes, but I don't know in which package is hpprinting [10:45] :D [10:46] hplip-ppds [10:46] for starter [10:46] i only searched for "printing" [10:46] and found som HP things [10:46] that all points to be printing daemons etc etc. [10:47] if you don't need them remove them [10:47] kdeprint i can leave. cause of kde sake, but all that has HP in its name, i will uninstall completly [10:47] well, this box wont get a printer . [10:47] has it been without one in 5 years. === toma [i=toma@62.58.32.83] has left #kubuntu ["Konversation] [10:47] ill think it wont be bothered with one later anyway [10:47] <`Nomad> I have a good one.. I need to find a dial-up router (physical, not a PC). :) Any idea? [10:49] no ideas nomad, may be use an old pc as a router [10:50] <`Nomad> it's my thought too, but I have to leave it behind and they're very non-technical.. I wouldn't want to have to come back down here to reboot anything :) === narg [n=narg@dsl-65-171-97-57.tcq.net] has joined #kubuntu [10:50] <`Nomad> still.. That's probably the best bet. No HD, just a floppy or CD like Freesco [10:51] nomad, there are many linux distros to do routing and fix in a floppy [10:51] rafa: i should be good with removing all that has with printing to do. [10:51] it souldn't be difficult to find one for you [10:51] use knoppix =) [10:52] is cups crucial to the system? its ok to remove all that printing software? [10:54] <`Nomad> thanks.. that's what I think I'll end up doing.. a physical router that does that is probably too expensive for them too === ToyMan2 [n=stuq@user-12lcqia.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #kubuntu [10:55] and old 386 would be enough, nomad [10:56] I think you can remove all the printing software without problems === lubosh [i=0a030f22@gw1-gtsi.roburnet.sk] has joined #kubuntu === chx [n=chx@unaffiliated/chx] has joined #kubuntu [10:58] libben, where I can find more info about the administrators button bug ??? [10:59] i need to fool tar to chmod , that's --mode , but neither tar --mode 700 cf nor tar cf --mode 700 owrks [11:01] well, I must leave [11:01] see you [11:02] what's bus,id,lun for hdc? === |maddox| [n=dox@a212-113-184-103.netcabo.pt] has joined #kubuntu [11:04] oh. scandev. nice cdrdao! === lubosh [i=0a030f22@gw1-gtsi.roburnet.sk] has left #kubuntu ["Konversation] === chx [n=chx@unaffiliated/chx] has left #kubuntu ["Konversation] === Gimist [n=rrichie@vfc69-1-82-233-45-250.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu === Gimist is now known as rrichie === sorush20 [n=sorush20@82-43-184-143.cable.ubr07.newm.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #kubuntu === sorush20 [n=sorush20@82-43-184-143.cable.ubr07.newm.blueyonder.co.uk] has left #kubuntu [] [11:14] i need prog to create image from web page (complete). Any suggestions? [11:19] would pdf work, or do you want a png.... === sorush20 [n=sorush20@82-43-184-143.cable.ubr07.newm.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #kubuntu === sorush20 [n=sorush20@82-43-184-143.cable.ubr07.newm.blueyonder.co.uk] has left #kubuntu [] === sorush20 [n=sorush20@82-43-184-143.cable.ubr07.newm.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #kubuntu === sorush20 [n=sorush20@82-43-184-143.cable.ubr07.newm.blueyonder.co.uk] has left #kubuntu [] === _greg [n=greg@66-168-30-219.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has joined #kubuntu === spook [n=spook@201.15.208.102] has joined #kubuntu === spook [n=spook@201.15.208.102] has left #kubuntu ["Konversation] === leonardo [n=leonardo@cruz.lrg.ufsc.br] has joined #kubuntu === leonardo [n=leonardo@cruz.lrg.ufsc.br] has left #kubuntu ["Konversation] === lyndy [n=lyndy@cpc1-seve3-4-0-cust74.popl.cable.ntl.com] has joined #kubuntu [11:35] hmmm, just a notice : amarok 1.3.2 out... :-P [11:36] amarok or kaffeine [11:37] libben: amaroK [11:37] amarok only plays music right? [11:37] or does it do video also? [11:37] libben: music only [11:38] k [11:38] then i dont need to stress it [11:38] just listen to shoutcasts servers anyway, and thats thru my xbox with xbmc === dave_ [i=bobo@cpe-66-108-244-133.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #kubuntu === othernoob [n=othernoo@p54A2E8AA.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #kubuntu === MrFaber [n=user@ip176.134.1511H-CUD12K-03.ish.de] has joined #kubuntu === igu [n=igu@100-136-246-201.adsl.terra.cl] has joined #kubuntu === igu [n=igu@100-136-246-201.adsl.terra.cl] has left #kubuntu ["Konversation] [11:49] could a firmware update of a dvd burner done in windows cause speed problems in linux? === _P_ [n=princosc@host-84-220-132-248.cust-adsl.tiscali.it] has joined #kubuntu [11:52] Has anyone problems with the new breezy update? [11:53] Hi my cups is down [11:53] i mean i can't view the admin web page [11:53] I'm under hoary is this a known issue? [11:58] cu all === dell500 [n=dell500@12-216-244-28.client.mchsi.com] has joined #kubuntu