[12:02] <blackflag> some really accelent firewall
[12:03] <blackflag> with bio solutions
[12:04] <blackflag> real nazi
[12:07] <godzero> blackflag: been playing too much first person shooters today
[12:07] <godzero> ?
[12:07] <blackflag> no, sorry Im not
[12:08] <blackflag> what do you have??
[12:08] <godzero> lol, I'm giving you a bit of a hard time because the language barrior is messing up your posts.
[12:09] <blackflag> aha
[12:10] <godzero> :)
[12:10] <Fyawerx> apokryphos++
[12:10] <apokryphos> hi
[12:11] <Fyawerx> tried to give you bot karma :)
[12:11] <nikkia> apokryphos/0 :P
[12:11] <apokryphos> 8)
[12:11] <blackflag> uuuuhhhh.....
[12:11] <blackflag> some more
[12:11] <apokryphos> nikkia: whatwhat?
[12:12] <nikkia> apokryphos: division by zero, results in you being NaN :)
[12:13] <apokryphos> nikkia: or... infinite ;-)
[12:13] <nikkia> apokryphos: no, NaN isn't infinite, that's what the INF value is for :P
[12:14] <apokryphos> d'oh
[12:14] <nikkia> apokryphos: consider yourself lucky, i could have made you -NaN :P
[12:14] <apokryphos> phew
[12:16] <Fyawerx> whats NaN?
[12:17] <Pyf> is there a way to change all the files in a folder and subfolders permissions in one go?
[12:18] <apokryphos> Fyawerx: ask nikkia :P
[12:18] <apokryphos> Pyf: yes; man chmod
[12:18] <Pyf> so 
[12:19] <Pyf> sudo chmod 755 /folder
[12:19] <Pyf> ?
[12:19] <blackflag> nkwon as nothing
[12:19] <Pyf> and that'll do all subfolders and shit...?
[12:19] <apokryphos> Pyf: no... 
[12:19] <apokryphos> Pyf: check the man page; you'll have to use an option.
[12:19] <nikkia> Fyawerx: Not A Number
[12:20] <Fyawerx> ah
[12:20] <nikkia> Fyawerx: its a value your CPU uses internally to represent numbers that are error conditions, there are 4 of them on most CPU architectures...
[12:20] <nikkia> NaN, -NaN, INF and -INF
[12:20] <Fyawerx> got it.
[12:20] <libben> ive heard that sudo's caching the password when its given? is this true? and can it be looked at?
[12:20] <apokryphos> Pyf: a pretty way to view man pages, in Konqueror: #command  or man:command
[12:20] <nikkia> libben: that's how sudo is supposed to work, you can turn it off
[12:21] <apokryphos> libben: default is 15mins
[12:21] <nikkia> libben: its a bit like saying 'i hear that when you press the 'a' key, it enters an 'a', can we look into this bug please'
[12:22] <libben> 15 mins?
[12:22] <libben> sometimes it goes just 2 mins between when im doing sudoing things
[12:22] <libben> and need to type it agan
[12:22] <libben> who do i check/change the time ?
[12:23] <nalioth> 15minutes? i thought it was 5
[12:23] <apokryphos> hm, I could be wrong
[12:24] <apokryphos> nope, it's 15
[12:24] <apokryphos> you can change it in sudoers, of course
[12:24] <apokryphos> and you can kill the session with sudo -k
[12:29] <nikkia> nalioth: it used to be 5, a long long time ago
[12:30] <nalioth> mine is 5 minutes by default
[12:34] <Pyf> apokryphos, what is a man command?
[12:35] <apokryphos> Pyf: man man  8). They're manual pages
[12:35] <apokryphos> they instruct you on the usage of commands, options, sometimes file-syntax etc etc
[12:35] <Pyf> i dont see how that helps me with chmoding
[12:36] <nikkia> pyf, it helps you learn the command's parameters, and thus not continue asking questions :)
[12:36] <nikkia> pyf, the joy of learning, feeling accomplishment, etc
[12:38] <Pyf> oic...
[12:38] <apokryphos> Pyf: the command you want to use is listed in the man page (and it tells you the correct syntax to you). Helping people help themselves is often better =)
[12:38] <Pyf> i man chmod in terminal
[12:39] <apokryphos> Pyf: as I said, if you like, there's a prettier (and probably better viewable) way to view them. You can man:command, or #command. In this case: man:chmod (in Konqueror).
[12:39] <apokryphos> either way though, really.
[12:42] <slow-motion> n8
[12:43] <Pyf> im sorry but im clearly not learning well, that page has nothing about subfolders
[12:44] <apokryphos> Pyf: check the recursive option :)
[12:45] <Pyf> what does recursive mean?
[12:45] <Pyf> as a word i mean
[12:46] <apokryphos> !dict recursive
[12:46] <apokryphos> gah; useless bot.
[12:46] <Pyf>    1. An expression, such as a polynomial, each term of which is determined by application of a formula to preceding terms.
[12:46] <Pyf>    2. A formula that generates the successive terms of a recursion.
[12:46] <apokryphos> Pyf: it does what you want, basically :). 
[12:47] <apokryphos> if you recursively apply a change on X, it will apply it to X, and all its subfolders
[12:47] <apokryphos> that's what you're doing when you rm -r <somefolder>
[12:49] <Pyf> wahey done it, and i now know what recusive means :)
[12:56] <ubotu> Dictionary 'recursive' of or relating to a recursion
[12:56] <musashiden> hello everybody
[12:57] <apokryphos> Haha. Only like ten years late; uboto -- you do indeed crack me up.
[12:57] <apokryphos> or ubotu, even.
[01:00] <musashiden> can anyone tell me what was the command line to install a deb file trough terminal?
[01:00] <seth_k> musashiden, sudo dpkg -i /path/to/the.deb
[01:00] <musashiden> thank you seth_k
[01:02] <musashiden> is there like a webpage or help file that contains all of these command lines?
[01:06] <apokryphos> musashiden: wiki.ubuntu.com/NewToUbuntu  and  /msg ubotu commands   ..is what you want
[01:09] <musashiden> hmm, one question. is it normal so much memory is being used?
[01:09] <musashiden>              total       used       free     shared    buffers     cached
[01:09] <musashiden> Mem:           631        592         38          0         80        318
[01:10] <aseigo> musashiden: 194MB of actually usage
[01:10] <apokryphos> Yes; Linux performs other operations when you're not running a lot of stuff
[01:10] <aseigo> musashiden: depending on what you're doing that's either a bit high or about right
[01:11] <aseigo> musashiden: the buffers + cached are essentially "dynamic ram discs" managed by the OS as a means to use the RAM you have to keep the system perkier
[01:11] <musashiden> aseigo: iam not runing anything exept for Konversation wich is the IRC program
[01:12] <aseigo> musashiden: konvi can easily take 20-40MB depending history settings, #of channels, etc
[01:12] <aseigo> musashiden: if you have other apps that are "preloaded" such as konq, ff, ooo, etc, those will also take up memory
[01:13] <aseigo> musashiden: press Ctrl-Esc to see the process table and what is using what
[01:14] <chavo> musashiden, I have a gig of ram and it's all being used
[01:14] <chavo> that's what I bought it for
[01:14] <chavo> The system will give it up as apps need it
[01:15] <musashiden> i see
[01:15] <libben> woohoo... got samba working. pretty easy it was too... 2easy even
[01:15] <libben> nite
[01:16] <libben> just install and edit a line with a word share.
[01:16] <libben> and it was done
[01:28] <godzero> musashiden: so you can see how it's used.. open kinfocenter, click memory
[01:29] <musashiden> ok
[01:29] <godzero> under ms windows the only use it reports is the app data
[01:38] <musashiden> hmm, weird
[01:39] <musashiden> i cant find Kinstaller, but iam pretty sure i had it before i erased my computer
[01:39] <musashiden> i got it from a package trough Kynaptic
[01:39] <musashiden> but is not there anymore
[01:40] <godzero> you meen kpackage?
[01:40] <musashiden> no, Kinstaller
[01:41] <musashiden> is a application that compiles and installs .tar.gz files automatically
[01:41] <godzero> hoary?
[01:42] <godzero> I remember now.. it's not in breezy
[01:42] <musashiden> hoary
[01:43] <godzero> kpackage does almost the same thing
[01:44] <musashiden> does it compiles and install .tar.gz files?
[01:52] <nalioth> musashiden: there is another
[01:52] <nalioth> that does tgz
[01:52] <nalioth> lemme go look for it
[01:52] <nalioth> here ya go
[01:52] <nalioth> http://www.gnu.org/software/sourceinstall/sourceinstall.html
[01:53] <nalioth> make sure you read the article linked from that page
[01:54] <musashiden> how am i suppose to install it since is a .tar.gz file?
[01:56] <narg> tar -xzvf file.tar.gz
[01:56] <narg> will untar it
[01:57] <musashiden> and how do i install it?
[01:58] <musashiden> cause i know how to untar it, i bet everyone knows how to
[01:59] <musashiden> but i dont know how to install the stuff inside a a tar
[01:59] <_tonio> hi guys
[01:59] <_tonio> little problem, I really need hep this time ;)
[01:59] <_tonio> I've crashed the partition table with fdisk
[01:59] <_tonio> stupid error....., my system is still up, but the partition table refers to no partition...
[02:00] <_tonio> How to restore it ?
[02:00] <nalioth> _tonio: ask uncle google "gpart homepage"
[02:01] <_tonio> nalioth: fantastic ;)
[02:02] <nalioth> _tonio: ;)
[02:02] <_tonio> another question, cause I really have a problem for automounting devices....
[02:02] <_tonio> I want to destroy partitions on my usb2 drive.
[02:03] <_tonio> launchin cfdisk, then destroying partition, recreating linux type partitions, and writing to disk
[02:03] <_tonio> mount tels me that the partition type is incorrect blabla, and dmesg refers to ntfs....
[02:03] <_tonio> have an idea ?
[02:05] <nalioth> _tonio: did you completely wipe the usb stick?
[02:06] <_tonio> not a usb stick
[02:06] <_tonio> it is an HDD
[02:06] <_tonio> I completly removed all partitions
[02:06] <_tonio> recreating new ones, but they are not mountable
[02:06] <_tonio> I don't understand.....
[02:07] <_tonio> nalioth: gpart doesn't recognize ext2......... damn !
[02:07] <_tonio> ext3
[02:08] <nalioth> _tonio: are you sure it doesnt recognize ext3? it IS a *nix program
[02:08] <_tonio> no
[02:08] <_nyn_> hi. does anyone here have a clue as to how to send mail (with attachments) via the command-line? there's gotta be a simple way to do it... surpised that i haven't been able to find anything yet...
[02:08] <_tonio> but it find ext2 partitions
[02:08] <_tonio> i'll convert them to ext 3 after so it is okay ;)
[02:08] <_tonio> my problem is with this fu***g external hdd
[02:09] <_tonio> I can't mount anything, that incredible !
[02:14] <_tonio> anyway gpart seems to give good results :)
[02:14] <_tonio> nalioth: that's the good news ;) tnaks ;)
[02:14] <nalioth> _tonio: np
[02:18] <_tonio> nalioth: what would you use to create a fat32 partition on an sda drive ?
[02:18] <_tonio> cfdisk makes me crazy actually
[02:19] <nalioth> _tonio: g- or qt- parted
[02:20] <_tonio> that is not stupid ;)
[02:21] <_tonio> why going with the cli when good graphical tools can do the job ;)
[02:23] <_nyn_> ok. it turns out that mutt does have a cli for sending mail... thought it was all curses based....
[02:29] <godzero> _nyn_:mail from the mailx package
[02:30] <_nyn_> last i checked, it couldn't send attachments
[02:31] <_nyn_> godzero: but mutt seems to able to do the job. just the need to figure out how to tell it to use sendymail as the mta
[02:36] <_tonio> nalioth: finally it is okay with qtparted ;) thaks !!
[02:37] <_tonio> there is really something going wrong with cfdisk.......
[02:37] <_tonio> I hope gpart will do the job for mu hda
[02:37] <_tonio> myhda
[02:42] <PaloDeQueso> I installed a metabar plugin for konqueror, how do I then use it?
[02:42] <PaloDeQueso> It doesn't show up anywhere?
[02:42] <chavo> PaloDeQueso, is the sidebar showing?
[02:42] <PaloDeQueso> Yes.
[02:42] <PaloDeQueso> and it's not there?
[02:42] <chavo> right click it
[02:43] <PaloDeQueso> right click it?
[02:43] <chavo> and go to -> Add New
[02:43] <PaloDeQueso> ok.
[02:43] <chavo> the other mouse button
[02:43] <PaloDeQueso> ok
[02:43] <chavo> is it in there?
[02:43] <PaloDeQueso> oh sweet, thanks.
[02:43] <SbCl3> having a problem...when i installed the mbr was on a hdd that i now want to take out. how do i install grub to the mbr of a different hdd?
[02:44] <chavo> no problem
[02:44] <PaloDeQueso> :)
[02:44] <delltony> little off topic but i never see anyone in moto4lin anyone herre do any phone modding?
[02:45] <SbCl3> anyone know?
[02:47] <SbCl3> having a problem...when i installed the mbr was on a hdd that i now want to take out. how do i install grub to the mbr of a different hdd?
[02:51] <musashiden> hmmm, what does this means?
[02:51] <musashiden> configure: error: no acceptable C compiler found in $PATH
[02:51] <musashiden> See `config.log' for more details.
[02:52] <musashiden> but i dont see anything useful in the config.log
[02:52] <phil__> SbCl3: Are you able to boot to xp (I guest u dual boot) with a boot disk
[02:52] <lonewolff> musashiden: you need to install a compiler (sudo apt-get install build-essential or install build-essential using your favourite package manager)
[02:52] <Riddell> ideas for Dapper welcome: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuDapperGoals
[02:53] <SbCl3> phil: yes
[02:53] <SbCl3> i just typed "grub-install /dev/sda"...does that automatically install what kubuntu did during installation?
[02:53] <phil__> SbCl3: professinal?
[02:53] <SbCl3> yes
[02:54] <phil__> SbCl3: Look at this page if you want to rewrite xp mbr to the boot device or another hd  a metabar plugin for konqueror, how do I then use it?
 It doesn't show up anywhere?
 PaloDeQueso, is the sidebar showing?
[02:54] <phil__> <-- Chambers_ has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))
 Yes.
 and it's not there?
[02:55] <phil__> SbCl3: Look at this page if you want to rewrite xp mbr to the boot device or another hd  http://www.microsoft.com/resources/documentation/windows/xp/all/proddocs/en-us/bootcons_fixmbr.mspx
[02:55] <SbCl3> phil__: ?
[02:56] <SbCl3> ug, i don't want to go into windows
[02:56] <SbCl3> how is it done on _linux_?
[02:56] <SbCl3> i just need grub to go to ubuntu. i won't have windows after taking out this drive
[02:56] <SbCl3> *kubuntu
[02:57] <phil__> SbCl3: look at this page http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/history/357491
[02:58] <SbCl3> i have a quickie...is the /ect/init.d the processes that get loaded on a boot?
[02:58] <nalioth> _tonio: glad you got fixed up
[02:59] <phil__> SbCl3: you are correct 
[02:59] <SbCl3> k
[02:59] <SbCl3> it's no wonder kubuntu boots so slowly...
[02:59] <musashiden> um, iam getting this error
[02:59] <musashiden> checking for X... configure: error: Can't find X includes. Please check your installation and add the correct paths!
[02:59] <phil__> SbCl3: init is a script that starts the different services in a given order
[02:59] <nalioth> musashiden: install "xlibs-dev"
[03:00] <phil__> SbCl3: Why does it boot slowly
[03:01] <op> okay i had a drive that was ntfs format so i used "sudo mkdosfs -F 32 /dev/hdg1" to convert it to fat32 i think that worked fine then i mounted it as a fat 32 drive but when i try to right stuff to the drive it says access denied. When i am mounting it do i need to specify who can read and right to the drive or does it do that. ALso is there a way i can check to see if it is infact a fat32 drive now?
[03:01] <_tonio> nalioth: damn gpart is loooooooooooooooooooooooooooong to scan....
[03:01] <musashiden> thanks nalioth
[03:01] <Fyawerx> nalioth++
[03:01] <SbCl3> it boots tons of things i don't need
[03:01] <phil__> op: use fdisk to print partitiontables and type
[03:02] <phil__> SbCl3: Be very carfull when u edit init.d
[03:02] <Fyawerx> can you write to it as root?
[03:02] <op> i tried using fdisk -l but it shows nothing on the sreen.
[03:02] <op> i probably can but i am not root on the system i used the setup wizard and it made me make this username so wheni run things i have to type sudo first
[03:04] <phil__> op: try sudo "mv dummyanyfile /mountpoint/dummyanyfile"
[03:04] <nalioth> op: i'm afraid you've not converted any data on that ntfs drive
[03:04] <phil__> or type su in console and try to write to it
[03:04] <Pyf> op, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/InstallingANewHardDrive
[03:04] <SbCl3> i can't seem to edit it :?
[03:04] <SbCl3> it's a directory
[03:04] <SbCl3> according to vim
[03:04] <phil__> nalioth: u can't convert ntfs to fat32 without formating!!!!!!!!!!!
[03:04] <Pyf> use that guide, it worked for me :)
[03:05] <phil__> 2 GIG limit on fat32
[03:05] <Fyawerx> thought that was only with xp
[03:05] <SbCl3> are you sure?
[03:05] <Pyf> theres no 2gig limit
[03:05] <op> nalioth: what do you mean?
[03:05] <SbCl3> i got a 30 gb partition with fat32
[03:05] <phil__> NTFS has no limit (well in theory)
[03:06] <SbCl3> are you sure? i think they said something like 80 tb
[03:06] <nalioth> op: there are no data converting tools in linux for ntfs
[03:06] <musashiden> um, iam getting another error
[03:06] <musashiden> checking for Qt... configure: error: Qt (>= Qt 3.0) (headers and libraries) not found. Please check your installation!
[03:06] <Fyawerx> xp fat32 - 2 gigs
[03:06] <Fyawerx> 32
[03:06] <Fyawerx> http://www.microsoft.com/resources/documentation/Windows/XP/all/reskit/en-us/Default.asp?url=/resources/documentation/Windows/XP/all/reskit/en-us/prkc_fil_tdrn.asp
[03:06] <Fyawerx> heh, according to that big ass link
[03:07] <op> oh so how do i make this drive have read write access in linux?
[03:07] <SbCl3> i don't think linux can read/write to ntfs
[03:07] <SbCl3> only read
[03:07] <musashiden> can anyone help me out?
[03:08] <phil__> SbCl3: if the ntfs file system is not encrypted it is possible to read and write with linux but it is not safe (yet) TO WRITE
[03:08] <sproingie> linux can write ntfs, but only to change the content of an existing file
[03:08] <sproingie> it can't create, delete, do anything with attributes, or work with small files that are in the mft
[03:08] <phil__> musashiden: you have to install qr developpement
[03:08] <SbCl3> and the file has to be bigger
[03:09] <musashiden> phil_: whats that?
[03:09] <SbCl3> er, nevermind
[03:09] <phil__> musashiden: oops i meant QT developpement files
[03:09] <sproingie> topologolinux uses ntfs write to write to loopback filesystems in ntfs
[03:09] <musashiden> phil_: can you tell me the command line?
[03:10] <musashiden> the apt-get line
[03:10] <nalioth> sproingie: i wouldn't write to ntfs to do anything
[03:11] <sproingie> the write support is solid enough.  restricted enough to keep you out of trouble
[03:11] <op> so if i have a ntfs drive is there anyway to convert it to fat32 in linu?
[03:11] <op> linux?
[03:11] <sproingie> cp
[03:11] <phil__> op: no you cannot convert ntfs to fat32 due to file size limitation
[03:11] <sproingie> you lose all the metadata ... you would anyway
[03:12] <Fyawerx> you're trying to save your data, op?
[03:12] <phil__> op: if you want to keep the original data
[03:12] <Fyawerx> is there any free space on it at all?
[03:12] <musashiden> phil_: can you tell me the apt-get line?
[03:13] <godzero> musashiden: i see you're compiling already
[03:14] <musashiden> godzero: yup :)
[03:14] <nalioth> musashiden: "sudo apt-get install libqt3-dev"
[03:14] <phil__> musashiden: use kynaptic instead and search for qt select the developpement package
[03:14] <musashiden> but iam getting thousands of library errors
[03:14] <nalioth> !tell musashiden about apt
[03:14] <nalioth> !tell musashiden about synaptic
[03:14] <nalioth> musashiden: read a little, learn a lot
[03:14] <godzero> wwhen compiling, it needs to lick to libs, gets that info from the -dev packages
[03:15] <phil__> Nakkel: synaptic kynaptic same thing except kynaptic simpler interface
[03:15] <godzero> i gotta learn to type
[03:15] <phil__> musashiden: what are u trying to compile
[03:15] <sproingie> kynaptic.  bleh. i'd rather use apt-get
[03:15] <musashiden> phil_: Kinstaller
[03:15] <phil__> musashiden: I would not touch Kinstaller for now
[03:16] <musashiden> how come?
[03:16] <phil__> musashiden: apt-get synaptic kynaptic are tour best friend
[03:16] <godzero> he wants tar.gzs
[03:16] <godzero> kpackage'll do it
[03:16] <musashiden> yah, i want tar.gz
[03:17] <musashiden> exactly
[03:17] <phil__> musashiden: has new user 99% of the software you need is availaible thru apt-get synaptic...
[03:17] <godzero> does alien do it, or just rpms
[03:17] <musashiden> phil_: i know, but Kinstaller is not there ;)
[03:18] <_tonio> nalioth: little question about gpart usage, I feel confused..
[03:18] <_tonio> according to the man the correct command to scan, and write the new partition table should be
[03:18] <_tonio> gpart -W /dev/hda /dev/hda
[03:19] <_tonio> but that doesn't seem to work....
[03:19] <godzero> nope alien only does binary gzs, not source
[03:21] <godzero> musashiden: try kpackage. Plus it's really bad for a new person to compile on his system... conflicts. apt isn't aware.. etc
[03:21] <nalioth> _tonio: what does it do?
[03:22] <nalioth> _tonio: the usage states it could take a while
[03:24] <_tonio> well I'm prompted that -W option is invalid
[03:24] <_tonio> I retyped the same command and that's okay -> it late and my eyes have a problem apparently lol
[03:24] <nalioth> _tonio: ya gotta be kiddin (did you run it usind sudo?)
[03:24] <_tonio> it seems to go now ;)
[03:25] <_tonio> yes I did, but well it is 3am in france and my eyes get closed, I have certainly done an error the first time :)
[03:26] <_tonio> in any case thanks a lot for you help even if the next reboot is a failure ^^
[03:26] <nalioth> _tonio: time for bed then
[03:27] <_tonio> nalioth: I can't, I have to finish a doc or todays meeting.... third time in 2 weeks I have to work all the night
[03:28] <nybble> ttyl peeps
[03:28] <sproingie> troy: Dapper Drake
[03:28] <musashiden> what does this error means?
[03:28] <musashiden> checking for KDE... configure: error:
[03:28] <musashiden> in the prefix, you've chosen, are no KDE headers installed. This will fail.
[03:28] <musashiden> So, check this please and use another prefix!
[03:29] <musashiden> i dont get it
[03:29] <dooglio> it's not finding the KDE development headers
[03:30] <musashiden> oh
[03:30] <dooglio> you configure script, that is
[03:30] <dooglio> do you have the kde-devel package installed?
[03:30] <musashiden> nope :P
[03:30] <dooglio> well there ya go :-)
[03:30] <musashiden> :)
[03:32] <nalioth> musashiden: use kynaptic and search for kde*-dev
[03:32] <musashiden> nalioth: i know, installing :)
[03:33] <musashiden> heh, a hurricane is coming this way
[03:33] <dooglio> apt-cache show kde-devel
[03:33] <dooglio> then do "apt-get install kde-devel"
[03:33] <musashiden> dooglio: i know, i am already installing thme
[03:34] <musashiden> them*
[03:34] <fatejudger> what is Adept?
[03:35] <dooglio> musashiden: sorry, i missed your penultimate comment :-)
[03:35] <Fyawerx> the new package manager
[03:35] <Fyawerx> i tried it, like synaptic better tho
[03:35] <musashiden> dooglio: lol
[03:35] <dooglio> Fyawerx: i was going to ask
[03:35] <dooglio> synaptic is pretty cool
[03:35] <Fyawerx> plus at least for me when i did the install for adept it removed most of the other managers
[03:36] <fatejudger> synaptic is better with the industrial GTK theme
[03:36] <fatejudger> kynaptic and synaptic are basically the same
[03:36] <Fyawerx> synaptic was faster on searches for me too
[03:36] <fatejudger> give me a break
[03:36] <fatejudger> kynaptic is just dynamic
[03:36] <Fyawerx> i mean as opposted to adept, sorry
[03:36] <fatejudger> so it may take more processing power
[03:36] <fatejudger> oh
[03:37] <Fyawerx> i did a ubuntu install then added kdesktop, so i still mix and match apps when in kde, i use the regular synaptic lol
[03:39] <Fyawerx> it was the search function that would hang for me in adept, since it searches after every keystroke i think, rather than just let you type in what you want and hit search
[03:39] <Fyawerx> havnt tried it on my desktop yet which is more powerful, just my laptop
[03:40] <fatejudger> where is the repository that holds adept?
[03:41] <Fyawerx> hmm
[03:41] <Fyawerx> !adept
[03:41] <ubotu> Adept (successor of Kapture) is a package manager for Kubuntu. See http://web.ekhis.org/adept.html
[03:46] <nalioth> Tonio-: no /away msgs in #*buntu channels, please
[03:46] <Tonio-> okay, I was just testing konversation ;)
[03:46] <Tonio-> sorry
[03:47] <nalioth> Tonio-: we all learn incrementally, don't apologize
[03:47] <Tonio-> well the politic depends on the channels
[03:47] <Tonio-> I personnaly come from channels where saying that we are away is generally suggested to prevent people from talking to ghosts ^^ :)
[03:48] <Tonio-> I will remember for #*buntu ;)
[03:49] <Tonio-> -> configuration -> freenode -> no away messages, done ;)
[03:49] <slackbob> Hello, im sorry for starting with a question but i am thinking of swiching from slackware to kubuntu. as such i am acustom to compiling from source. Will this pose a problem when i swich
[03:50] <nalioth> slackbob: not at all
[03:51] <Tonio-> slackbob: why should it be ?
[03:51] <Tonio-> the only poblem is that you profile might not be reusable, but that's all ;)
[03:51] <slackbob> i had a fight with suse. it didnt like when i compiled from source
[03:51] <slackbob> the packages that is
[03:51] <Tonio-> Uhad that problem switching from fedora to ubuntu
[03:52] <Tonio-> well you can built from source with apt, like you can do with gentoo
[03:52] <Tonio-> but if you are a fan of ompilation, I would suggest gentoo in the first place instead of ubuntu
[03:52] <slackbob> but that still means im using the central repository. i compile to get the latest stuff
[03:53] <slackbob> gento (when i used it) had a number of outdated packages
[03:53] <phil__> slackbob: If you like to install your linux distro in 3 days go for GENTOO!
[03:53] <slackbob> it took me 3.5 ^_^
[03:53] <Tonio-> you can compile from the authors tarball if you like, but well, you would use all the advantages of apt, so I don't see the point using ubuntu.....
[03:54] <godzero> I thought the point of gentoo was th epackages were 4.5 seconds old
[03:54] <Tonio-> it took me 1.5, but I wil never rinstall a gentoo, that's all I know lol
[03:54] <Fyawerx> oh, the adept site is down, but googles cache still works, its what i used to install it, for whoever was asking
[03:54] <slackbob> no, the point is that they are blisteringly fast
[03:54] <Fyawerx> http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:akFCsAEZCekJ:web.ekhis.org/adept.html+&hl=en&client=firefox-a
[03:54] <Tonio-> can you imagine deploying gentoo professionaly ?
[03:54] <Fyawerx> oh, he left
[03:55] <slackbob> Tonio: AGHHHHHHH
[03:55] <Tonio-> when will my computer be ready ? well, common friday, it might be okay ^^
[03:55] <phil__> godzero: running gentoo  and keeping up to date involves that your cpu main load is gcc all the time at 50% (if you use a nice nice value)
[03:55] <godzero> I got a celeron. nothing is blisteringly fast - even gentoo
[03:56] <slackbob> i would only go back to gento if i got 64bit dual core that would show more advantages on self compiled software
[03:56] <Tonio-> godzero: well in any case I don't see the real diffrence between "emerge" and "apt-build source"
[03:56] <godzero> I compiled KDE once.. was like 1.5 days
[03:57] <slackbob> how large is the apt system anyway?
[03:57] <Tonio-> if someone has an explanation I would liketo know..... I keep fighting with gentoo users that there is no difference, but well "gentoo is the only" one for them
[03:57] <boulala> hi
[03:57] <Tonio-> gentoo users are closer to bsd addicts that to "normal" linux users, that's all I know ;)
[03:57] <slackbob> haha
[03:57] <fatejudger> omg, my eyes!
[03:58] <fatejudger> what is this adept thing?
[03:58] <fatejudger> it's horrible...
[03:58] <slackbob> i loved slackware because i could muck around in the files and no gui would get angry
[03:58] <phil__> Tonio-: When you spend 10 days compling your system u just don't want to go back to anything because you can't justify waitsting so much time
[03:58] <fatejudger> slackware has old crappy packages
[03:58] <fatejudger> that's why I switched to Kubuntu
[03:59] <Tonio-> phil_ hahaha that's exactly that ;) They have to convince themselves that they have done the good choice ;)
[03:59] <slackbob> yes, i do miss dependency checking
[03:59] <krawek> hi
[03:59] <krawek> I have a problem with breezy
[03:59] <slackbob> i once tried to compile somthing that apeared to need itself as a dependency
[04:00] <krawek> dpkg: error al procesar /var/cache/apt/archives/language-pack-kde-es-base_20050907_all.deb (--unpack):
[04:00] <krawek>  intentando sobreescribir `/usr/share/locale-langpack/es/LC_MESSAGES/kaffeine.m
[04:00] <phil__> slackbob: whwre you compiling MAKE
[04:00] <Tonio-> krawek: what kind ?
[04:00] <phil__> slackbob: using MAKE
[04:00] <slackbob> no, i think it was beta software
[04:00] <godzero> slackbob: it's called gcc
[04:00] <boulala> i have a probleme
[04:00] <boulala> problem *
[04:01] <phil__> boulala: we have all problems we will try to help
[04:01] <krawek> how to reconfigure "debconf interface"?
[04:01] <boulala> i can connect on IRC, FTP but not on HTTP (with firefox for example)
[04:01] <boulala> but, ping works, lwp-request works and not lynx :(
[04:01] <fatejudger> I need to get this crappy adept program off of my computer
[04:01] <fatejudger> I need it to go back to normal
[04:02] <Tonio-> fatejudger: it is not crapy, it is beta software ;)
[04:02] <phil__> boulala: probably dns issue
[04:02] <Tonio-> that's the difference ;)
[04:03] <boulala> but with wget, ping or lwp-request, http works
[04:03] <phil__> boulala: have you set firefox to use a proxy server
[04:03] <godzero> ping google.com works?
[04:03] <boulala> yeap it works
[04:03] <boulala> i'm not using a proxy server
[04:04] <Tonio-> krawek: sudo dpkg-reconfigure language-pack-kde-es-base
[04:04] <phil__> boulala: have u tried other web browser
[04:04] <Tonio-> krawek: did you try this ?
[04:04] <boulala> konqueror and lynx
[04:04] <boulala> same problem
[04:05] <boulala> sometimes with konqueror, i can get google homepage, but it's hard
[04:05] <krawek> debconf: no se pudo inicializar la interfaz: Kde
[04:05] <fatejudger> Tonio-: beta software, bah
[04:05] <krawek> Tonio-: how to reconfigure debconf interface?
[04:05] <fatejudger> Tonio-: that doesn't excuse its crappy UI
[04:05] <Tonio-> don't know :)
[04:05] <phil__> boulala: do you time out ?
[04:05] <boulala> no, no response... and i wait /(
[04:05] <boulala> :/
[04:05] <Tonio-> sudo dpkg-reconfigure debconf ?
[04:06] <boulala> my modem is a Bewan USB ST
[04:06] <phil__> boulala: firefox konqueror will time out if it cant reach a domaine
[04:06] <boulala> sure but it doesn't
[04:06] <Tonio-> crappy ? I find it correct concerning the UI
[04:06] <krawek> tonio-: /usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure: debconf is broken or not fully installed
[04:07] <boulala> is there a french channel ?
[04:07] <Tonio-> krawek: synaptic -> reinstall that package :)
[04:07] <Tonio-> boulala: I'm french :)
[04:07] <boulala> cool ^^
[04:07] <phil__> Tonio-: b
[04:07] <phil__> Tonio-: Bonjour
[04:07] <krawek> tonio: /usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure: language-pack-kde-es-base is not installed
[04:07] <phil__> boulala: Comment ca va bouboule
[04:08] <boulala> lol ca va ca va
[04:08] <Tonio-> phil_ salut, euh, tu pense que ca pas poser de probleme de causer en francais ici ? ca risque d'etre mal vuje pense :)
[04:08] <nalioth> krawek: install the package it's calling for
[04:08] <phil__> Tonio-: Je crois que oui
[04:08] <Tonio-> so let's go in english ;)
[04:08] <boulala> yeap
[04:08] <boulala> so
[04:08] <phil__> Tonio-: What je ne understand pas
[04:08] <Tonio-> ah boulala you can help me ;)
[04:08] <nalioth> monsieurs, si'l vous plait en #ubuntu-fr
[04:09] <Tonio-> are you with breezy adn up to date ?
[04:09] <slackbob> ok, everyone, you convinced me. im heading to kubuntu
[04:09] <Tonio-> nalioth: I was telling him in french that talking in french was certainly not correct here
[04:09] <phil__> Nakkel: there is like 3 people in unbuntu-fr
[04:09] <boulala> i have breezy 
[04:09] <boulala> pppd 2.4.3
[04:10] <nalioth> Tonio-: just a gentle reminder of ubuntu's language channels
[04:10] <krawek> wait me please...
[04:10] <phil__> boulala: Buy yourself a router and all your trouble will go away
[04:10] <Tonio-> boulala: I have a problem with ^ key, breezy and up to date, I can't write ^e correctly..... can you confirm this ?
[04:10] <Tonio-> ^etre m^eme
[04:11] <boulala> up to date, maybe... this is the last distro ^^
[04:11] <Tonio-> boulala: it was working fine before last today's xorg update...
[04:11] <phil__> Tonio-: no problem here if u use kde you can setup your keyboard in the control panel
[04:11] <phil__> Tonio-: are you from france or canada because keyboards layout change from both countries
[04:11] <nalioth> Tonio-: it will correct itself in the next update(s)
[04:12] <phil__> Tonio-: I think my xorg is up to date and have no problem
[04:12] <fatejudger> I can't install synaptic again
[04:12] <fatejudger> it says I have a dependency problem
[04:12] <Tonio-> phil_ france, and I tried, but that's a bit specific and there is no kde configuration for this
[04:12] <fatejudger> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[04:12] <fatejudger>   python-apt: Depends: libapt-pkg-libc6.3-5-3.9
[04:12] <fatejudger> E: Broken packages
[04:12] <musashiden> this is weird
[04:13] <Tonio-> nalioth: I hope so but I just wanted a confirmation that it was a problem with xorg and not my configuration :)
[04:13] <musashiden> Please enter the installation path of the Mozilla, Netscape,
[04:13] <musashiden> or Opera browser (i.e., /usr/lib/mozilla):
[04:13] <nalioth> fatejudger: so install it
[04:13] <musashiden> but when i enter it, it says this: WARNING: /home/adrian/install_flash_player_7_linux/usr/lib/kde3 is not a directory.
[04:13] <phil__> Tonio-: let me go check on my desktop 
[04:13] <fatejudger> nalioth: it doesn't let me
[04:13] <fatejudger> nalioth: it says that package is up to date
[04:13] <musashiden> any help?
[04:13] <phil__> Tonio-: give 3 minutes
[04:14] <nalioth> musashiden: are you entering with proper syntax? "/usr/lib/mozilla"
[04:14] <delltony> anyone know if its possible to mount a p2k phone in linux?
[04:14] <Tonio-> k thanks phil_ 
[04:14] <delltony> i know it shows up as /dev/ttyACM0
[04:14] <phil__> Tonio-: works fine look 
[04:14] <nalioth> fatejudger: open a terminal
[04:14] <fatejudger> nalioth: I did
[04:14] <nalioth> fatejudger: and type "sudo apt-get -f install"
[04:15] <fatejudger> nalioth: I'm trying to use apt-get to install it
[04:15] <phil__> Tonio-: I'm using canada french
[04:15] <musashiden> nalioth: yes
[04:15] <Tonio-> phil did you reboot since last xorg update ?
[04:15] <phil__> Tonio-: yep
[04:15] <Tonio-> shit lol ;)
[04:15] <Tonio-> any idea on the way to correct the issue ?
[04:15] <phil__> Tonio-: are you from france
[04:15] <Tonio-> yep
[04:15] <phil__> Tonio-: well i'm using canadain config
[04:15] <fatejudger> nalioth: ok, what did that do?
[04:15] <phil__> Tonio-: not the same has yours
[04:16] <Tonio-> ah, there is certainly a difference in the keymapping
[04:16] <nalioth> fatejudger: you were watching the output. what DID it do?
[04:16] <phil__> Tonio-: Yes their is a difference
[04:16] <Tonio-> okay so this is not a good test, I'll wait a few days, that is not very handicaping
[04:16] <phil__> Tonio-: set your keyboard layout and press shift-(key to right of p) than e it will work
[04:16] <Tonio-> phil_: thanks
[04:16] <fatejudger> nalioth: I can pastebin it
[04:16] <fatejudger> nalioth: it's only a few lines long
[04:17] <fatejudger> nalioth: but it isn't really anything useful
[04:17] <nalioth> fatejudger: did it run w/o errors?
[04:17] <fatejudger> nalioth: well yeah
[04:17] <fatejudger> nalioth: but it says that apt is the newest version
[04:17] <fatejudger> nalioth: and doesn't install the package
[04:17] <nalioth> fatejudger: what package?
[04:17] <fatejudger> Note, selecting apt instead of libapt-pkg-libc6.3-5-3.9
[04:17] <fatejudger> apt is already the newest version.
[04:18] <nalioth> fatejudger: where are you getting that libapt package?
[04:18] <fatejudger> nalioth: that's what it says to install when I try to apt-get synaptic
[04:18] <musashiden> um, whats the address of the folder where konqueror is?
[04:18] <godzero> breezy update is pretty busy. a package every few(10-20) minutes today
[04:19] <fatejudger> nalioth: synaptic: Depends: libapt-pkg-libc6.3-5-3.9
[04:19] <nalioth> fatejudger: paste me your /etc/sources.list (in a pastebin, not here)
[04:19] <fatejudger> nalioth: that would be the output when I try and apt-get synaptic
[04:19] <fatejudger> nalioth: yeah
[04:19] <fatejudger> nalioth: ok
[04:23] <fatejudger> nalioth: sorry it took me so long, I've been trying to comment and uncomment out some sources to see if I could get it working
[04:23] <fatejudger> nalioth: http://pastebin.com/369612
[04:24] <nalioth> fatejudger: comment all unofficial repos out until you get your synaptic back
[04:24] <nalioth> installing the libapt file you keep pasting will most likely hose your box
[04:25] <fatejudger> nalioth: ?
[04:25] <nalioth> fatejudger: comment out the non official repos, reload your apt db and insatll synaptic
[04:28] <fatejudger> nalioth: nothing
[04:28] <fatejudger> nalioth: I did apt-get upgrade
[04:28] <fatejudger> nalioth: and then tried to reinstall synaptic
[04:32] <douglas> checking for Qt... configure: error: Qt (>= Qt 3.0) (headers and libraries) not found. Please check your installation!   ???
[04:33] <nalioth> douglas: install "libqt3-dev"
[04:33] <Kheldoron> hey! 
[04:33] <Kheldoron> can any one here help me whit a few things.. just installed kubuntu for the first time :)
[04:33] <fatejudger> nalioth: I can't install kynaptic either
[04:34] <fatejudger> Kheldoron: well go ahead and explain your problem
[04:34] <nalioth> fatejudger: you have major problems, my friend
[04:34] <fatejudger> nalioth: yeah, I figured that one out
[04:34] <fatejudger> nalioth: and all I did was install adept!
[04:34] <nalioth> fatejudger: that one thing will do it
[04:34] <fatejudger> this could happen to anyone
[04:35] <Kheldoron> ok.. first.. i havent got enough access to do some stuff i want to.. is there like defualt admin and password?
[04:35] <Kheldoron> cause i haven entered any
[04:35] <nalioth> fatejudger: which is why we advise not using non official repos (if you HAVE to have it, compile it from source)
[04:35] <fatejudger> Kheldoron: it should have prompted you for a password during install
[04:35] <nalioth> !tell Kheldoron about root
[04:35] <Kheldoron> only for my user account..
[04:35] <nalioth> fatejudger: not here, root is disabled
[04:35] <nalioth> Kheldoron: read what ubotu sent you, please
[04:36] <fatejudger> nalioth: I thought it prompted you to enter a password
[04:36] <fatejudger> nalioth: for sudo
[04:36] <Kheldoron> thank you! 
[04:36] <nalioth> fatejudger: only for your user account
[04:36] <fatejudger> nalioth: yeah, that's what I mean
[04:37] <sproingie> adept is laughing at me
[04:37] <sproingie> adept: connecting processClick har har
[04:37] <sproingie> adept: connecting processClick har har
[04:37] <fatejudger> sproingie: adept is laughing at us all
[04:38] <fatejudger> sproingie: I tried uninstalling it
[04:38] <fatejudger> sproingie: and it punished me
[04:38] <fatejudger> sproingie: never again will I be able to use a GUI based package manager
[04:38] <sproingie> ouch
[04:38] <nalioth> fatejudger: it's not that bad
[04:38] <fatejudger> nalioth: hey, I liked synaptic
[04:38] <sproingie> just reinstall the gui package manager that's broken
[04:38] <fatejudger> nalioth: apt-get blows
[04:38] <fatejudger> sproingie: lol, that would be the FIRST thing I tried to do
[04:38] <nalioth> sproingie: read ^^^^ fatejudger can't
[04:39] <fatejudger> sproingie: if you have any insight into the problem
[04:39] <fatejudger> sproingie: it would be greatly appriciated
[04:39] <sproingie> fatejudger: sadly i don't
[04:39] <sproingie> nalioth: he should be able to reinstall it via apt-get, no?
[04:39] <sproingie> or was that hosed too?
[04:40] <Fyawerx> aptitude i think is nicer than apt-get, you can uninstall dependencies cant you
[04:40] <nalioth> sproingie: he's bodgered his machine with unofficial packages and he can't back out gracefully
[04:40] <fatejudger> sproingie: I've been trying to install it via apt-get this whole time
[04:40] <fatejudger> nalioth: oh cmon
[04:40] <fatejudger> nalioth: unofficial packages?
[04:40] <nalioth> sproingie: nor can he install any gui pkg mangler frontends
[04:41] <nalioth> fatejudger: /msg ubotu sources
[04:41] <sproingie> nalioth: it's unofficial?  hm, i thought i only had official repos in mine.
[04:41] <nalioth> fatejudger: if it aint on that list, it's not official
[04:41] <fatejudger> nalioth: that was probably the first unofficial package I've installed besides wine
[04:41] <nalioth> fatejudger: it only takes one
[04:41] <fatejudger> nalioth: well wine didn't do it
[04:41] <sproingie> or was this some bleeding edge version of adept?
[04:41] <Fyawerx> adept installed fine for me when i did it, it uninstalled apt-get and synaptic i believe tho
[04:41] <fatejudger> nalioth: why would it prevent me from install a legit package?
[04:41] <sproingie> wine won't do it because it doesn't interface with the package management system itself
[04:42] <Fyawerx> because it installs newer dependices that apt-get cant use i think
[04:42] <fatejudger> Fyawerx: yeah, it uninstalls synaptic
[04:42] <nalioth> fatejudger: because you have pkgs installed that wont let the official pkgs work
[04:42] <fatejudger> nalioth: so basically it's apt-get or adept
[04:42] <Fyawerx> or aptitude, or synaptic/k
[04:42] <nalioth> fatejudger: you can always remove every gui item you have
[04:43] <fatejudger> Fyawerx: I can't get kynaptic or synaptic to work again
[04:43] <Fyawerx> can you reinstall over your current system with the install disc (not to you, general question i mean)
[04:43] <fatejudger> they need to have an undo function in apt-get
[04:43] <nalioth> Fyawerx: no. once you've updated with apt, your cd is obsolete
[04:43] <nalioth> fatejudger: i have an idea
[04:43] <Fyawerx> i mean to not lose data
[04:43] <Kheldoron> well u see the reason why i need to log in as root/admin is that i have like 30 gig, on a partition that i cant mount.. Any ideas?
[04:43] <fatejudger> nalioth: what?
[04:43] <nalioth> fatejudger: it may totally break your box
[04:44] <Fyawerx> can you just reinstall the base system and then reupdate?
[04:44] <nalioth> Fyawerx: if he wants to back up his $HOMEDIR
[04:44] <douglas> libqt3-dev does not seem to be a packaged
[04:44] <nalioth> fatejudger: go to packages.ubuntu.com and d/l the synaptic deb for your arch
[04:45] <nalioth> douglas: search in synaptic for "libqt3" and install the -dev part
[04:45] <nalioth> !info libqt3-dev
[04:45] <ubotu> libqt3-dev: (Qt development files), section libdevel, is optional. Version: 3:3.3.3-7ubuntu3 (hoary), Packaged size: 37 kB, Installed size: 128 kB
[04:45] <godzero> kheidoron: ?
[04:46] <godzero> khelderon: sudo mount
[04:46] <Kheldoron> what? 
[04:46] <Kheldoron> oh.. can i use that as a command? 
[04:46] <fatejudger> nalioth: this is probably a stupid question, since I probably can't
[04:46] <godzero> yep
[04:46] <fatejudger> nalioth: but can I download apt from ubuntu.packages.com
[04:47] <fatejudger> nalioth: and uninstall/reinstall on my system?
[04:47] <nalioth> fatejudger: i just asked you to go get it. read above please
[04:47] <Kheldoron> cool.. let me try that
[04:47] <vis`> I currently have a dual boot windows/ubuntu set up. I am brand new to linux and would like to try out a couple more distros. If I wanted to install kubuntu/suse over ubuntu (completely get rid of ubuntu) and try those out, without destroying the dual boot or windows..is that easily done?
[04:48] <nalioth> vis`: pssst, kubuntu is ubuntu, only with kde (install "kubuntu-desktop")
[04:48] <godzero> vis`: ya.. when it gets to the partion part of install, just write over the ubuntu
[04:48] <Kheldoron> godzero: still dosent appera..
[04:48] <fatejudger> nalioth: I'm talking about downloading apt, not synaptic
[04:48] <nalioth> godzero: please
[04:48] <fatejudger> nalioth: I'll try the synaptic thing first though
[04:49] <vis`> nalioth yea I know..I've never seen/tried kde..didn't know if I needed to do full kubuntu install for that
[04:50] <nalioth> vis`: installing "kubuntu-desktop" in ubuntu isnt that much
[04:50] <Kheldoron> godzero what would such a partition be called do you think? hda? or some nuber after?
[04:51] <godzero> kheldoron: create a directory where you want to mount it to then sudo /dev/hdX /path/to/mount/point
[04:51] <godzero> sudo mount /dev/hdX /path/to/mount/point
[04:52] <godzero> what does it show up as right now?
[04:52] <Kheldoron> must specify the file system type?
[04:52] <vis`> godzero and nal thanks for the help.
[04:53] <godzero> sometimes
[04:53] <fatejudger> nalioth: ok, I have a plan, why don't I dpkg -r apt and then reinstall the package?
[04:53] <godzero> what format is the drive? linux, ntfs..
[04:54] <Kheldoron> i dont think it got formatted.. so i bet its still windows..
[04:54] <nalioth> fatejudger: you can try that (make sure you have the deb available
[04:54] <godzero> do you want to format it first?
[04:54] <Kheldoron> why not :)
[04:55] <godzero> well first, gotta know where it is... 
[04:56] <Kheldoron> well in dev i find one hda1 (wich is mounted) and one hda
[04:56] <Kheldoron> so i guess its the hda...
[04:56] <vis`> nalioth: i used sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop as I found in a tutorial and I get "reding package lists..done. Building dependency tree..done. E: Couldn't find package kubuntu-desktop. what am I missing
[04:56] <godzero> no hda is your harddrive, hda1 is prolly your boot partition
[04:56] <vis`> *reading
[04:56] <Kheldoron> so how do i find the other one?
[04:56] <nalioth> vis`: really? that's unusual
[04:56] <godzero> a second drive would usually be hdb
[04:56] <Kheldoron> i made 2 partitions.. 
[04:57] <nalioth> vis`: you ARE using ubuntu right now, right?
[04:57] <vis`> nalioth correct
[04:57] <Kheldoron> but its still the same drive.. just another partition
[04:57] <godzero> hda2?>
[04:57] <Kheldoron> shouldnt it be hda2?
[04:57] <Kheldoron> mabey
[04:57] <fatejudger> nalioth: Yes! It worked!
[04:57] <nalioth> vis`: open synaptic an search for kubuntu
[04:58] <Kheldoron> but i cant find no hda2 in dev..
[04:58] <godzero> there is no /ved/hda2 or hda5?
[04:58] <nalioth> fatejudger: lets get synaptic in now
[04:58] <Kheldoron> hda, hda1 and hda..
[04:59] <Kheldoron> no.. hdc was the last one
[04:59] <Kheldoron> no hda2 or 5
[04:59] <godzero> hdc is prolly you cdrom/dvd
[04:59] <fatejudger> nalioth: I already apt-got synaptic
[04:59] <fatejudger> nalioth: that's why I said it worked
[04:59] <Kheldoron> mabey i didnt get the partitoning right?
[04:59] <godzero> k, so it's not formated
[04:59] <godzero> it's ok
[05:00] <vis`> nalioth i'd love to..but I literally don't know what that is. I define the word NOOB for linux. this is my first distro
[05:00] <godzero> just wanted to se if it was formated
[05:00] <nalioth> fatejudger: great! now remember, official repos or compiled from source works best
[05:00] <Kheldoron> aha.. ok.. 
[05:00] <nalioth> !tell vis` about synaptic
[05:00] <Kheldoron> can i do that now? 
[05:00] <godzero> apt-get qtparted
[05:01] <godzero> apt-get install qtparted
[05:01] <fatejudger> nalioth: thanks a bunch
[05:01] <fatejudger> nalioth: I had totally forgotten about dpkg
[05:01] <fatejudger> nalioth: didn't think of it until you mentioned it
[05:01] <Kheldoron> should i type both?
[05:02] <godzero> kheldoron: got it?
[05:02] <nalioth> fatejudger: cool
[05:02] <godzero> no last one
[05:02] <godzero> my bad
[05:02] <nalioth> fatejudger: if you need help compiling things, i'm around most all the time
[05:02] <Kheldoron> access denied..
[05:02] <Kheldoron> sudo?
[05:02] <godzero> yep
[05:03] <vis`> nalioth not one thing for kubuntu in syn
[05:03] <othomas> hi all
[05:03] <Kheldoron> could not find package qtparted
[05:03] <fatejudger> nalioth: I usually compile things with checkinstall no problem
[05:03] <godzero> should be in universe
[05:04] <fatejudger> nalioth: I wanted to ask you though, is it safe to use multiverse?
[05:04] <Kheldoron> huh?
[05:04] <fatejudger> nalioth: or would you consider that bad as well
[05:04] <godzero> have you added universe to sources.list?
[05:04] <nalioth> vis`: that is really really weird
[05:04] <Kheldoron> don think so.. 
[05:04] <nalioth> !info qtparted
[05:04] <ubotu> qtparted: (A parted frontend using QT), section universe/x11, is optional. Version: 0.4.4-3ubuntu2 (hoary), Packaged size: 197 kB, Installed size: 724 kB
[05:04] <Kheldoron> beginner :)
[05:04] <vis`> nalioth i guess so. it's a fresh install. like 2 weeks old..no changes made to system
[05:04] <vis`> :(
[05:05] <nalioth> fatejudger: yes, uni and multi are great. be wary of backports (hoary) and extras
[05:05] <godzero> k ... edit /etc/sources.list uncomment the universe part.
[05:05] <fatejudger> nalioth: ok thanks
[05:05] <nalioth> Kheldoron: qtparted is in universe
[05:05] <nalioth> !tell Kheldoron about repos
[05:05] <nalioth> Kheldoron: hoary ubuntu?
[05:06] <godzero> sudo nano /etc/sources.list
[05:06] <jsubl2> sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list
[05:06] <fatejudger> nalioth: when I upgrade with universe and multiverse uncommented it asks me to upgrade a whole range of KDE packages
[05:06] <godzero> yep sorry, i always forget /apt/
[05:07] <fatejudger> nalioth: why aren't those part of the main repository?
[05:08] <nalioth> fatejudger: great!
[05:08] <Kheldoron> so how much should i uncomment?
[05:08] <nalioth> fatejudger: legalities
[05:08] <fatejudger> nalioth: legalities?
[05:09] <nalioth> fatejudger: yes, licence restrictions, etc
[05:10] <godzero> just the 2 line that start # deb... end in ....universe
[05:10] <Kheldoron> cool 
[05:10] <Kheldoron> and to save? just exit?
[05:10] <godzero> save first 
[05:10] <godzero> ctrl o
[05:11] <Kheldoron> and now? the previous part?
[05:11] <godzero> sudo apt-get update
[05:11] <Kheldoron> hey somethings doing something :)
[05:12] <Kheldoron> done..
[05:12] <godzero> yep, reading in the new files
[05:12] <godzero> sudo apt-get install qtparted
[05:12] <Kheldoron> u are really good at this :)
[05:13] <godzero> I learn from these other guys
[05:13] <Kheldoron> hehe.. i hope i will too one day :)
[05:13] <Kheldoron> next?
[05:13] <godzero> alt-f2
[05:13] <godzero> kdesu qtparted
[05:14] <Kheldoron> extended partition right?
[05:14] <godzero> ya
[05:15] <Kheldoron> then just mount it?
[05:15] <godzero> no, you gotta make a new home for it
[05:15] <nalioth> Kheldoron: if you make an extended part, you'll have to put a logical drive inside
[05:16] <Kheldoron> so i should have done a primary?
[05:16] <godzero> pick a spot, like /media/newpartion
[05:16] <godzero> no
[05:16] <godzero> extended is fine
[05:17] <Kheldoron> ok.. should i mount it to media/newpartion?
[05:17] <godzero> mount it where you want... just make a brand new folder for it
[05:18] <nalioth> Kheldoron: linux is only limited by your knowledge (unlike a certain MS OS)
[05:18] <godzero> like example.. goto /media  right click, new folder
[05:18] <nalioth> Kheldoron: i personally have all my mounted HDs in /mnt
[05:18] <Kheldoron> ok.. just tell me what to type.. its getting late here.. im getting stupid :)
[05:18] <hydrogen> incorrect
[05:18] <nalioth> Kheldoron: it's your personal prefs
[05:19] <hydrogen> linux is limited by a lot more than your knowledge
[05:19] <nalioth> hydrogen: really?
[05:19] <godzero> my hdds are in mnt, cds and thumbdrives in media
[05:19] <hydrogen> aye
[05:20] <nalioth> hydrogen: i've not come close to realizing all that can be done with linux on my boxen
[05:20] <hydrogen> correct, but there are still limits
[05:20] <nalioth> hydrogen: there are limits to the universe
[05:20] <hydrogen> and most of the stuff you can do on linux can be done on windows too, just requires more inguity
[05:20] <godzero> kheldoron: go in konqueror... navigate where you want it right click (pick new folder) name it what you want
[05:21] <hydrogen> and limits right now include desktop usability, unless you are gonna pull the "you can just modify the code" arguement
[05:21] <fatejudger> nalioth: many of the things you can do on windows, you can't do on linux
[05:21] <fatejudger> nalioth: hardware support in Windows is unmatched by any other OS
[05:21] <hydrogen> nahg
[05:21] <hydrogen> that I disagree on
[05:21] <fatejudger> hydrogen: how so?
[05:21] <hydrogen> try getting windows run on a SGI Octane 2
[05:22] <hydrogen> :P
[05:22] <nalioth> let's continue in #kubuntu-offtopic, please (i'll be glad to debate there)
[05:22] <fatejudger> hydrogen: take for example many video cards
[05:22] <hydrogen> fatejudger: you are looking at one archeticture, there are many more that linux supports that windows doe snot
[05:22] <Kheldoron> yes.. then?
[05:22] <hydrogen> anyways, bed
[05:22] <godzero> kheldoron: picked a spot yet?
[05:22] <fatejudger> hydrogen: give me a break
[05:22] <godzero> ok
[05:22] <fatejudger> hydrogen: almost the entire ATI line is designed for Windows
[05:22] <hydrogen> yep
[05:23] <hydrogen> thats still only a small fraction
[05:23] <fatejudger> hydrogen: a small fraction?
[05:23] <fatejudger> hydrogen: that's almost half of the mainstream video cards
[05:23] <hydrogen> alpha.. sparc.. mips.. sh... s390... all sorts of archetictures that are _not_ supported AT ALL under windows
[05:23] <fatejudger> hydrogen: NVidia is really the only major player supporting OpenGL and Linux
[05:23] <hydrogen> oh, and ppc
[05:23] <godzero> now sudo mount /dev/hd4 /path/to/the folder/yoou/just/made
[05:23] <hydrogen> ati is supported under linux
[05:23] <hydrogen> by ati
[05:23] <hydrogen> maybe not as well
[05:23] <hydrogen> but it is
[05:23] <fatejudger> barely
[05:23] <hydrogen> please
[05:24] <hydrogen> I'm running fine on an ati
[05:24] <fatejudger> hydrogen: Nvidia is the one with all the OpenGL support
[05:24] <hydrogen> I'm gone
[05:24] <hydrogen> bed 
[05:24] <fatejudger> hydrogen: bah
[05:24] <godzero> sudo mount /dev/hda4 /path/to/directory
[05:24] <othomas> niters hydrogen
[05:25] <Kheldoron> it shows like a help thingy
[05:26] <godzero> ?
[05:27] <godzero> what do you meen by help thingy?
[05:28] <Kheldoron> copy pasted to you
[05:28] <Kheldoron> ok.. so that was illeagl..
[05:28] <Kheldoron> it tells me all the lables and flags that i can use with the comand
[05:29] <Kheldoron> if you type mount -h it should appear
[05:29] <godzero> ok
[05:30] <godzero> um, what did the new partiton get named?
[05:30] <godzero> hda4?
[05:31] <Kheldoron> hda2.. but the logic partition seems to be named hda-1
[05:31] <godzero> is ther a /dev/hda2?
[05:33] <Kheldoron> not that i can find.. no
[05:33] <godzero> any /dev/hdaX where X>1?
[05:34] <Kheldoron> lol.. no
[05:35] <jmg> hey all 
[05:35] <jmg> is it 'safe' to upgrade to breezy at the moment?
[05:35] <godzero> hrm.. I think it should have showed up..
[05:36] <godzero> you ran qtparted, formated the extra space right?
[05:36] <nalioth> jmg: it wont be 'safe' til oct 13
[05:36] <nalioth> jmg: but it isnt to bad atm
[05:36] <Kheldoron> it says filesystem is free? shouldnt it be lite ext or something?
[05:36] <godzero> yes
[05:37] <Kheldoron> not formated..
[05:37] <godzero> ext3 is best for this
[05:37] <Kheldoron> abd status is hidden in qtparted
[05:38] <Kheldoron> not abd.. and..
[05:39] <jmg> nalioth: ill try the livecd before i upgrade 
[05:39] <godzero> k, in qtparted... click /dev/hda.. then at the top right right click the epty part of the drie, select format
[05:39] <nalioth> jmg: no need to jump on the bandwagon cuz everyone else is
[05:40] <regeya> bandwagon?
[05:40] <Kheldoron> cant... its shaded
[05:41] <Kheldoron> can only choose property
[05:42] <regeya> kubuntu is absolutely astounding.  despite having the no-root hacks and whatnot, it's user-friendly *and* largely unadulterated.  take that, major desktop distros.  </fanboy>
[05:42] <godzero> no create?
[05:43] <Kheldoron> nope
[05:43] <Kheldoron> unclickable
[05:44] <bpuccio> just want to confirm -- is there any advantage whatsoever to installing Ubuntu (with GNOME) then installing the kubuntu-desktop package and removing all the GNOME stuff, as opposed to just straight installing kubuntu?
[05:44] <godzero> when you left click on it.. what hilghts?
[05:44] <nalioth> bpuccio: the size isnt that much different having both gnome and kde
[05:45] <Kheldoron> when i left click what? the partition?
[05:45] <godzero> yes
[05:46] <Kheldoron> nothing except the little box.. 
[05:46] <godzero> does a line in the tree below it hilight?
[05:46] <godzero> k
[05:46] <bpuccio> nalioth: yes, I realize that, its just someone was telling me that to do a clean install, they download Ubuntu with GNOME, install kubuntu-desktop, then remove all the GNOME stuff, they don't just download the kubuntu CD, I was wondering if doing this resulted in something different
[05:46] <bpuccio> thank you though, nalioth
[05:47] <godzero> othompson: do you have to reboot after a qtparted?
[05:47] <godzero> othomas or nalioth
[05:48] <nalioth> bpuccio: not much different at (if anything)
[05:49] <godzero> oh, menu bar : device | udo
[05:49] <godzero> undo
[05:50] <Kheldoron> ok..
[05:50] <godzero> did that un lock it
[05:50] <Kheldoron> now i can create again atleast
[05:51] <godzero> right click format the divice | commit
[05:51] <Kheldoron> still cant format.. dont i need to create one again?
[05:52] <godzero> sure
[05:52] <godzero> it's so hard to do gui over a text chat
[05:53] <Kheldoron> yeah i know.. but i really appretiate it.. 
[05:53] <godzero> I'm just sorry it's going slow
[05:53] <Kheldoron> when i choose extended partition i can no longer choose partition type.. 
[05:54] <Kheldoron> better slow than nothing :)
[05:54] <Kheldoron> is that ok.. the partition typ.. or should i do a primary anyhow?
[05:55] <Kheldoron> my english is a bit off to so that helps slowing down the process ,)
[05:56] <godzero> I think you may need to reboot in between steps, not sure
[05:56] <nalioth> there is no need to reboot, ever
[05:56] <godzero> primary is best
[05:56] <godzero> nalioth: can you help a bit?
[05:57] <Kheldoron> ok.. and label? does that mather?
[05:57] <godzero> no
[05:57] <nalioth> godzero: with the partitioning opeations?
[05:57] <Kheldoron> still can format! 
[05:57] <godzero> ya
[05:57] <godzero> you can?
[05:57] <nalioth> Kheldoron: what language do you speak?
[05:58] <Kheldoron> swedish
[05:58] <godzero> format ext3
[05:58] <Kheldoron> cant format, and cant get ext3 on partition type.. only ext2
[05:59] <godzero> ext2 ok, the 3 is just journaling
[05:59] <Kheldoron> k... but i still cant format..
[05:59] <nalioth> hang on a minute guys
[06:00] <Kheldoron> ait
[06:00] <godzero> nalioth: he's trying to format a second partion on hda
[06:01] <nalioth> Kheldoron: what is the partition name (something like /dev/hda1)
[06:01] <godzero> the fat that hda1 is mounted is what's holding up the writes to mft
[06:01] <Kheldoron> nailoth: /dev/hda2
[06:02] <nalioth> Kheldoron: in a terminal, type "sudo tune2fs -j /dev/hda2"
[06:03] <Kheldoron> cant find file or dir
[06:03] <Bicchi> I know that this is an out channel question but i am a kubuntu user and i allready have gnome installed but it does not want to start. how can i use synaptic to reinstall gnome?
[06:03] <godzero> "/dev/hda2" doesn't exist yet
[06:03] <nalioth> Kheldoron: in the terminal type "sudo fdisk -l" and paste it into a pastebin, please
[06:04] <nalioth> Bicchi: you are selecting it from the login sessions menu?
[06:04] <godzero> were trying to make/format free space on hda ->hda2
[06:04] <nalioth> godzero: yes i've been watching
[06:04] <Kheldoron>  Device Boot      Start         End      Blocks   Id  System
[06:04] <Kheldoron> /dev/hda1               1        1216     9767488+  83  Linux
[06:04] <Bicchi> nalioth: i have gnome installed and i have used it before but it does not want to start. i would like to reinstall it.
[06:05] <Bicchi> nalioth: i would like to know what is the command that i need to type in apt-get that would reinstall gnome. i guess thats my question
[06:06] <nalioth> Bicchi: "sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop"
[06:06] <nalioth> Kheldoron: is that all of the output?
[06:06] <Kheldoron> nailoth: yepp
[06:06] <nalioth> Kheldoron: you have no /dev/hda2
[06:06] <Kheldoron> nope
[06:06] <Bicchi> nalioth: but like i said its allreday installed
[06:07] <nalioth> Bicchi: i answered your question
[06:07] <Bicchi> nalioth: that does not rebuild the system
[06:08] <Bicchi> let me ask it a different way. How do i remove gnome from my computerrr?
[06:08] <nalioth> Bicchi: it should, if packages are missing
[06:08] <Bicchi> nalioth: no packages are missing
[06:08] <nalioth> Bicchi: do you have synaptic/kynaptic?
[06:08] <Bicchi> yes
[06:08] <nalioth> Bicchi: if packages are missing, installing "ubuntu-desktop" will replace them
[06:09] <Bicchi> no packages are missing. i was changing one of the themes in gnome and the system crashed now gnome would not start
[06:11] <nalioth> Bicchi: use synaptic/kynaptic and remove the gnome-core stuff
[06:12] <nalioth> Kheldoron: can you type "sudo cfdisk /dev/hda" in a terminal? and let me know if you see "free space"
[06:13] <godzero> Khelderon: If what I think is going on is correct.. you'll have to do it from ou tside the sytem because hda1 is mounted, locking the master tartion table
[06:13] <godzero> partition
[06:13] <Kheldoron> yes.. freespace
[06:13] <othomas> should tell the free space though
[06:14] <nalioth> Kheldoron: how much free space?
[06:14] <Kheldoron> 30 gig.. the same as i tried to partition
[06:14] <Kheldoron> so its like godzero said?
[06:15] <nalioth> Kheldoron: Kheldoron use your arrow keys and highlight the free space
[06:15] <Kheldoron> then new? 
[06:16] <nalioth> Kheldoron: yes
[06:16] <Kheldoron> primary or logical?
[06:17] <nalioth> Kheldoron: primary
[06:17] <godzero> either should be ok, primary  slightly better
[06:18] <Kheldoron> k.. done
[06:18] <Kheldoron> quit? or is there more to be done here?
[06:18] <nalioth> Kheldoron: you must select "write"
[06:19] <Kheldoron> now all of a sudden hda1 lost its bootable flag..
[06:20] <Kheldoron> toggle it back?
[06:20] <nalioth> Kheldoron: not necessary with grub
[06:20] <Kheldoron> ok.. cool..
[06:20] <Kheldoron> so then quit?
[06:20] <nalioth> you should see 2 partitions now
[06:20] <godzero> cfdisk is great! I didn't know about it
[06:21] <Kheldoron> yepp one linux ext 3 and one linux
[06:21] <godzero> Now I know why I come here
[06:21] <nalioth> Kheldoron: you can quit now
[06:21] <nalioth> godzero: you want to know something funny?
[06:21] <godzero> k
[06:21] <nalioth> i usually help in #ubuntu
[06:21] <Kheldoron> ok.. next?
[06:22] <godzero> kheldoron: remember that folder you made?
[06:22] <nalioth> Kheldoron: in the terminal type "sudo tune2fs -j /dev/hda2"
[06:22] <Kheldoron> yeah
[06:22] <nalioth> godzero: wait a minute
[06:22] <godzero> yep
[06:22] <Kheldoron> should i exit qtparted?
[06:22] <godzero> yes
[06:22] <Kheldoron> and type?
[06:23] <nalioth> Kheldoron: yes, the command i just posted
[06:23] <Kheldoron> still does not exist
[06:24] <godzero> ok, that command turned you ext2 to a ext3
[06:24] <nalioth> godzero: something is fishy
[06:25] <Kheldoron> well mabey it should have.. but it still cant find hda2
[06:25] <nalioth> Kheldoron: type in the terminal "sudo fdisk -l" please and see what you've got
[06:25] <Kheldoron> now ie got 2 linux systems..
[06:26] <Kheldoron> seems right there
[06:26] <Kheldoron> need to format before i can see it?
[06:26] <nalioth> Kheldoron: you are formatted
[06:26] <nalioth> Kheldoron: what is the address for the 2nd linux?
[06:26] <Kheldoron> well i cant see it
[06:27] <othomas> Kheldoron, try a reboot and see if it picks up the new drive
[06:27] <godzero> under device
[06:28] <Kheldoron> ok.. be right back then
[06:28] <nalioth> reboot isnt necessary
[06:28] <nalioth> language barriers suck
[06:28] <othomas> yup, but adding a device is a chore too..had to add sda1 to get my usb drive going
[06:29] <hussam_> anybody here good with reparing grub?
[06:29] <nalioth> hussam_: i have a link for you
[06:29] <nalioth> hussam_: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows
[06:29] <nalioth> hussam_: it will show you how to repair grub
[06:30] <hussam_> I already read that and I have a Linux live cd but I don't know how to translate the hd(0,0) stuff to my case.
[06:31] <othomas> hi K_K
[06:31] <nalioth> hussam_: open a terminal and type "sudo fdisk -l"
[06:31] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi othomas :)
[06:32] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi nalioth
[06:32] <kheldoron> k back.. now lets see
[06:32] <hussam_> nalioth: I'm at work now and not near my computer.
[06:32] <othomas> wb kheldoron 
[06:33] <kheldoron> woohoo! i can see it in dev now :D
[06:33] <othomas> oh good, nalioth and godzero got you on ur way
[06:34] <kheldoron> o yes they did
[06:34] <Tonio-> nalioth: rebooted safely ;) a big thank you for your help :)
[06:34] <hussam_> nalioth: will a simple /sbin/grub-install /dev/hda fix it?
[06:35] <nalioth> hussam: i'm sorry i dont run a grub able machine
[06:35] <nalioth> i run macintosh
[06:35] <nalioth> hussam: the wiki has good instructions
[06:35] <kheldoron> so if i want to be able to access it from "storage media" ? how do i do that?
[06:36] <godzero> sudo mount /dev/hda2 /media/newfoldername
[06:38] <kheldoron> is that really the same media as the one in the menu?
[06:38] <godzero> media:/ = /media
[06:38] <kheldoron> cool
[06:40] <godzero> so if you were to make a folder /media/sparedrive, you would want to sudo mount /dev/hda2 /media/sparedrive
[06:40] <kheldoron> how do i delete a dir?
[06:40] <othomas> kheldoron, /media/sparedrive is the mount point for yout new drive
[06:41] <nalioth> godzero: next lesson: the fstab
[06:41] <godzero> yep
[06:41] <godzero> gui: right ckick menu, cli: rm
[06:42] <kheldoron> "you must specify the filesystem type"
[06:42] <nalioth> godzero: perhaps you should set up the fstab first
[06:43] <nalioth> godzero: mounting will be easier after that
[06:44] <ttyS0> hello. i've some old packages of kubuntu-desktop. where can i get order of installing dependend packages?
[06:44] <godzero> sudo mount -t ext3 /dev/hda /medai....
[06:44] <ttyS0> d'oh. disconnected.  i've some old packages of kubuntu-desktop. where can i get order of installing dependend packages?
[06:45] <godzero> Kheldoron: do you want it to auto mount with every boot?
[06:45] <nalioth> ttyS0: in a terminal type "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade"
[06:45] <nalioth> godzero: duh
[06:45] <kheldoron> mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hda2,
[06:45] <kheldoron>        missing codepage or other error
[06:45] <kheldoron>        In some cases useful info is found in syslog - try
[06:45] <kheldoron>        dmesg | tail  or so
[06:45] <kheldoron> the trouble never ends! 
[06:46] <ttyS0> nalioth, it will download all new packages, right? 
[06:46] <godzero> nalioth: he do convert to ext3 right?
[06:46] <godzero> did
[06:47] <nalioth> godzero: he has an ext3 partition i believe
[06:47] <nalioth> godzero: enlighten kheldoron about his fstab
[06:47] <kheldoron> no that didn work.. remember.. i tried that before i reeboted
[06:48] <kheldoron> how did i do it ext3?
[06:48] <ttyS0> so there's not any place where order of packages can be found?
[06:48] <kheldoron> fs2 -l or something
[06:49] <kheldoron> probably have to do it know when the drive works :D
[06:50] <nalioth> kheldoron: type in a terminal "sudo fdisk -l" and see what you have there
[06:50] <godzero> how do we verify ext2/3?
[06:50] <kheldoron>    Device Boot      Start         End      Blocks   Id  System
[06:50] <kheldoron> /dev/hda1               1        1216     9767488+  83  Linux
[06:50] <kheldoron> /dev/hda2            1217        4864    29302560   83  Linux
[06:51] <kheldoron> but i havent made it ext3 yet.. i didnt work before the reeboot.. so what was it? 
[06:51] <godzero> ok
[06:51] <nalioth> kheldoron: type "sudo tune2fs -j /dev/hda2"
[06:51] <godzero> it's still ext2... sudo tune2fs -j /dev/hda2
[06:52] <kheldoron> bad magic nuber in superblock..
[06:52] <kheldoron> this is so starting to anoy me... 
[06:52] <godzero> lol
[06:52] <nalioth> kheldoron: i suggest you find a friend at the local uni to help you
[06:53] <kheldoron> i afraid thats gonna be a problem.. small windows city
[06:53] <kheldoron> come on, were so close.. dont give up now :)
[06:53] <godzero> sudo mount -t ext2 /dev/hda2 /media/yourfolder
[06:54] <nalioth> kheldoron: i'm not going to continue with the weird errors you're telling us
[06:54] <nalioth> y'all have fun
[06:54] <godzero> see if it lets you
[06:54] <kheldoron> mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hda2,
[06:54] <kheldoron>        missing codepage or other error
[06:54] <kheldoron>        In some cases useful info is found in syslog - try
[06:54] <kheldoron>        dmesg | tail  or so
[06:55] <kheldoron> i always get wierd errors.. with everything i do.. 
[06:55] <godzero> that one again. reformat it with sudo cfdisk again
[06:56] <godzero> something didn't write out
[06:57] <nalioth> godzero: no
[06:57] <nalioth> godzero: it's written
[06:57] <nalioth> godzero: y'all need to get the proper command sequence to mount it
[06:58] <kheldoron> didnt help.. how about trying to fromat with qtparter?
[06:59] <godzero> qtparted.. it's worth a shot I guess. I'm trying to remember what messes with the magic number
[07:00] <godzero> i'm gunna ask uncle google.. brb
[07:01] <kheldoron> as soon as i exit qtparted it went back to unknown instead of ext3
[07:01] <ws01> omg
[07:01] <ws01> weeeeeeeeeeeee
[07:01] <kheldoron> what is an active partition? 
[07:01] <kheldoron> u know.. set active
[07:02] <othomas> your boot partition is considered the active one
[07:02] <kheldoron> ok.. we don want to change that 
[07:02] <othomas> nope
[07:04] <othomas> what did you call it in your media dir kheldoron 
[07:04] <nalioth> active partitions are not necessary with grub
[07:04] <kheldoron> Media heh
[07:04] <godzero> can't find any good info on magic numbers.. but IIRC... it only IDs the format type
[07:05] <othomas> try sudo mount /dev/hda2 /media/media
[07:05] <godzero> you don't meen /media?
[07:05] <kheldoron> hehe.. qtparted bugged out :)
[07:06] <othomas> godzero, he called the new drive "media" in there
[07:06] <kheldoron> "must specify the file system type"
[07:06] <nalioth> godzero: listen to me. make his fstab.
[07:06] <godzero> k
[07:06] <othomas> so something is hosed ubuntu is good about recognizing file systems
[07:07] <kheldoron> its like it doesnt save the type.. 
[07:07] <godzero> I wanted to see if we could mount first, but we'll do that
[07:07] <kheldoron> what ever i format it in it always says unknown when i get back in qtparted..
[07:08] <othomas> change the /media/media dir to /media/hda2 dir
[07:08] <godzero> kheldoron: lets set up fstab.. sudo nano /etc/fstab... add a line  "/dev/hda2       /media/media      ext3    defaults        0       2"
[07:09] <othomas> two media directories may be confusing the issue
[07:10] <godzero> othomas: I wouldn't think so, but I've heard of stranger things
[07:11] <kheldoron> ok.. so ive donw the fstab.. save and quit?
[07:11] <godzero> save = ctrl o
[07:11] <godzero> then enter
[07:12] <godzero> exit = ctrl x
[07:12] <kheldoron> im way ahead of you.. heh
[07:12] <kheldoron> and then?
[07:12] <nalioth> kheldoron: now you should be able to just type "sudo mount /dev/hda2"
[07:12] <godzero> mount -a
[07:13] <nalioth> godzero: -a?
[07:13] <godzero> either way
[07:13] <godzero> mount all
[07:13] <othomas> -a =auto
[07:13] <othomas> hahaha
[07:13] <nalioth> auto wrecks things
[07:13] <othomas> uhhuh
[07:13] <godzero> oh
[07:13] <kheldoron> ok.. same as ususal..
[07:14] <nalioth> kheldoron: there is something we're not getting here
[07:14] <godzero> magic number?
[07:14] <kheldoron> im pretty convinced that we should focus on the formatting here.. 
[07:14] <kheldoron> i think thats the problem
[07:14] <kheldoron> yeah.. in wonderland
[07:15] <hater2win> hey guys, i just set up my computer for "fish" and "ssh" capabilities, i was wondering, how can i limit specific users to only their assigned /home/username/ folder?????
[07:17] <kheldoron> ok.. so now it has appeard in the media storage... but now it says that only root can mount it.. 
[07:17] <othomas> headway at last
[07:20] <godzero> if you were to reboot, the root /init envoronment should mount it
[07:20] <kheldoron> ok.. brb then
[07:20] <hater2win> anybody?
[07:21] <othomas> hater2win, set privilages on each home directory to the specific user
[07:21] <godzero> hater2win: not w/o heave chmod
[07:21] <godzero> heavy
[07:21] <Kamping_Kaiser> isnt there something in /etc/ for that?
[07:22] <Kamping_Kaiser> some security files?
[07:22] <Kamping_Kaiser> anyway, brb
[07:22] <hater2win> Kamping_Kaiser! lol
[07:22] <othomas> you can use konqueror to do it..
[07:22] <hater2win> well, see, i have a friend that i use fish to send files back n forth
[07:22] <hater2win> but i dont want him getting in my /media/ folder
[07:22] <hater2win> to check out my shit
[07:22] <othomas> lol
[07:22] <godzero> I had it under mandrake.. and a cron job that checked 'em all
[07:23] <hater2win> i just want to restrict axss to just his specific /home folder
[07:23] <othomas> just set yours to owner all priv, others none
[07:24] <_exec> is there now other change to keep the user in his home?
[07:24] <_exec> *chance
[07:25] <othomas> denie access to the root directory
[07:25] <kheldoron> noope..
[07:25] <hater2win> how othomas ?
[07:25] <kheldoron> godzero: still i think we need to focus on the formatting
[07:25] <godzero> yep
[07:26] <kheldoron> so except from qtparted.. where else can i do it?
[07:26] <godzero> I'm pretty out of ideas
[07:26] <godzero> I only ran into magic number once
[07:26] <kheldoron> thats pretty bad.. :(
[07:26] <asechris> hi
[07:26] <godzero> 1 thing i can think of
[07:26] <kheldoron> anything..
[07:27] <godzero> use knoppix to format hda2
[07:27] <kheldoron> how?
[07:27] <kheldoron> silly name.. :)
[07:27] <othomas> _exec, to keep all from exploring will require a lot of work..they need to have execute on many programs..restricting "home" is usually good enough
[07:27] <godzero> download & burn the iso to a cd rom, use the commands you seen here
[07:28] <asechris> Hi 'all. Total newbie here .. looking for some help to install Firefox on my KUBUNTU system (Trying to get off my Redmond Dependancy)... Can anyone please PM me ?
[07:28] <kheldoron> so knoppix is a boot cd?
[07:28] <godzero> kh: yep
[07:28] <kheldoron> doh
[07:28] <_exec> k
[07:28] <_exec> thx
[07:28] <hater2win> asechris: type this in the command line          sudo apt-get install mozilla-firefox
[07:29] <nalioth> asechris: we can help you in the channel
[07:29] <kheldoron> its 7:29 am here now.. 
[07:29] <asechris> Thanks hater2win. (the terminal window?)
[07:29] <godzero> 1230 here
[07:29] <asechris> ok, thanks guys (& Gals ...)
[07:29] <nalioth> asechris: as we help you, we help others who see how we help you
[07:29] <hater2win> sudo tells your b0x that you want to perform an action as root. apt-get is telling it to get a specific package from a repository, install mozilla-firefox tells it what program to find and install
[07:29] <kheldoron> lucky bastard! 
[07:29] <godzero> brain going mushy
[07:29] <asechris> terrific. 
[07:29] <hater2win> asechris: yes, in the terminal window
[07:30] <kheldoron> what are you complaining about? i havent slept yet..
[07:30] <asechris> I tried to D/L the binaries & then I used ARK to extrac them into my ASECHRIS directory.... but I am lost after that 
[07:30] <godzero> lol
[07:30] <godzero> now I don't feel so bad...
[07:30] <othomas> _exec, if they know user names they can jump there..so you may need to go deeper in the user directories to prevent exploring those
[07:30] <kheldoron> i do
[07:30] <kheldoron> :'(
[07:30] <_exec> othomas: they can't ;)
[07:30] <asechris> so would I just goto my directory & use an 'install' command?
[07:31] <othomas> kk
[07:31] <hater2win> depends
[07:31] <hater2win> when you use apt-get
[07:31] <_exec> if u give /media chmod 700... no one without owner can'T jump in a deeper dir
[07:31] <hater2win> you are basically getting a file from a repository
[07:31] <nalioth> asechris: it doesnt matter where you are in a terminal
[07:31] <hater2win> and this repository has ".deb" packages
[07:31] <hater2win> thats what it installs
[07:31] <othomas> kk
[07:31] <nalioth> asechris: for easier installations, use kynaptic
[07:31] <hater2win> so sometimes, you can download debian (.deb) packages off the net in diff places and install those
[07:32] <kheldoron> anyone got a good divx player for kubuntu?
[07:32] <_exec> so see you guys gonna to school .(
[07:32] <pc11> anyone knows how to make online games with gameguard work?
[07:32] <asechris> ok, BRB going to try some of these great suggestions. ( At least I can get onto IRC !! )
[07:32] <godzero> kh: I use kaffiene + ffmpg
[07:32] <hater2win> lol, l8r asechris 
[07:32] <othomas> cya _exec 
[07:33] <nalioth> asechris: it is not advised to install debs from off the web (although sometimes it can be done without breaking your kubuntu)
[07:34] <hater2win> nalioth: how can i restrict a user's access to ONLY the /home/userName folder?
[07:34] <godzero> kh:
[07:34] <kheldoron> ffmpg? 
[07:35] <godzero> kh: let me look up the right name...
[07:35] <kheldoron> sorry.. i think i died for a moment.. ,)
[07:35] <kheldoron> thanks
[07:35] <nalioth> hater2win: yes
[07:35] <hater2win> nalioth: how?
[07:36] <nalioth> hater2win: set the permissions so only the owner(s) can get into their data
[07:37] <godzero> kh:ffmpeg
[07:37] <asechris> OK, got it installed using sudo apt-get install mozilla-firefox. It said it was installing something for GNOME. I am using KUBUNTU and it seems to be working. Is it the same version ?
[07:37] <nalioth> hater2win: owners include "root/system" "hater2win" "hater2win'smother"
[07:37] <nalioth> asechris: same version
[07:37] <asechris> Kewl.. Thanks tons. 
[07:38] <kheldoron> ok.. you know where i can get it?
[07:38] <asechris> Now if I can figure out how to get to my MP3's on the NTFS partition I'll be laughing !!
[07:38] <godzero> kh: kubuntu live should handle the formating too
[07:38] <kheldoron> whats that?
[07:38] <kheldoron> the live cd?
[07:38] <nalioth> !tell asechris about ntfs
[07:39] <godzero> kh: synaptic/kynaptic.. search for ffmpeg, grab all
[07:39] <asechris> Thanks nalioth !!! Back in a bit !!!
[07:39] <nalioth> asechris: you can read the linked file in a text editor for instructions
[07:40] <hater2win> nalioth: so do i change the permissions to           /
[07:40] <hater2win> or on the user's folder
[07:40] <godzero> brb
[07:41] <nalioth> hater2win: you do your homework on the numbers and what they mean, and you set no-read no-write no execute on directories you dont non owners into (make sure you allow owners into their directories)
[07:41] <hater2win> i see i see
[07:41] <nalioth> hater2win: keep track of what you do, so you can undo it
[07:42] <nalioth> hater2win: and test each step of the way
[07:42] <hater2win> nalioth: ty ty
[07:42] <nalioth> hater2win: wrong permissions will make your box unusable
[07:43] <kheldoron> godzero: im so tired here man that i dont know what im thinking.. i have to hit the sack.. ill talk to you later! 
[07:44] <othomas> take care kheldoron 
[07:45] <asechris> OK.. totally Learning here tonight !! You guys rock !
[07:45] <kheldoron> thanks for all your help guys! u are great! 
[07:45] <asechris> I can now mount the NTFT partition & see all my MP3's. Can anyone suggest a good player  ?
[07:45] <othomas> lol
[07:46] <othomas> amarok is ok
[07:46] <asechris> (Damn I feel needy..... I hate being a newbie)
[07:46] <nalioth> asechris: there are many to choose, you'll probably need the software to play them
[07:46] <asechris> oops
[07:46] <othomas> wb asechris 
[07:46] <asechris> Thanks.... 
[07:47] <othomas> amarok is ok
[07:47] <nalioth> !tell asechris about restricted
[07:47] <othomas> lol
[07:47] <asechris> amarok tells me it can't play MP3s unless I have a different engine
[07:48] <othomas> oh, needs the xine engine..xmms does well too
[07:48] <nalioth> asechris: read what ubotu has sent you
[07:48] <godzero> kh: later
[07:48] <kheldoron> peace out! 
[07:48] <asechris> just got the info from ubotu .. Thanks.. I'll go through it
[07:50] <godzero> I never had any friend with linux.. I had linux for 1/2 year before I learned about repositories.. was compiling every thing... then when I did find out, I felt like a moron.
[07:51] <othomas> godzero, awwww, hope you fell better now
[07:51] <godzero> a little
[07:51] <othomas> feel too
[07:51] <othomas> oh good
[07:51] <godzero> I'm up to "special" now
[07:52] <othomas> lol
[07:52] <othomas> me3
[07:53] <Tm_T> haha
[07:54] <othomas> hi Tm_T
[07:55] <Tm_T> hi kids
[07:55] <Tm_T> :)
[07:55] <othomas> heh
[07:55] <Tm_T> bah, I need caffeine!
[07:55] <godzero> I need beer
[07:55] <othomas> lol
[07:56] <othomas> apt-get re-install beer
[07:56] <Tm_T> godzero: well, it doesn't make _you_ look good...
[07:56] <othomas> later K_away
[07:56] <Kaiser_away> later mate
[07:56] <Tm_T> Kaiser_away: tsadaam!
[07:57] <Kaiser_away> :) hi Tm_T  hows it?
[07:57] <godzero> what you saying, I'm "special" and ugly?
[07:57] <Tm_T> oh, you finally realised it? :o
[07:57] <Tm_T> ;---P
[07:57] <othomas> lol
[07:57] <Tm_T> ok, coffee ->
[07:57] <othomas> oops
[08:00] <othomas> wb nybble
[08:00] <godzero> what does it meen to run "nice", just lower priority?
[08:01] <nybble> why thankyou, it was  a brief trip...but i got shirts for everyone
[08:01] <nybble> *hands them out*
[08:01] <othomas> hahahaha
[08:03] <othomas> mine says "support your orleans dis-possesed"
[08:07] <nybble> lol
[08:08] <othomas> press ALT_F4 for a free avatar
[08:13] <othomas> OMG..ALT-F4 works here toooo
[08:13] <othomas> thought it was just a windoze thing
[08:14] <godzero> lol
[08:15] <nalioth> othomas: lots of windows keys shortcuts work
[08:15] <nalioth> othomas: try em
[08:15] <othomas> godzero, no more beer install here..lol
[08:16] <grifter17> hiiiiiiiiiiiii
[08:16] <othomas> hi grifter17 
[08:17] <grifter17> im a newbie user of linux
[08:17] <grifter17> will some one pls teach me
[08:17] <grifter17> im really having problems
[08:17] <grifter17> linux guru pls help
[08:17] <Tm_T> err
[08:18] <othomas> with what?
[08:18] <Tm_T> just spit it out
[08:18] <othomas> lol
[08:18] <Tm_T> and there's no gurus
[08:18] <Tm_T> just old farts and young geeks
[08:18] <Tm_T> (and married men with pron)
[08:18] <othomas> grifter17,  ?
[08:19] <grifter17> im having a hard time how to install programs in my new linux kubuntu 
[08:20] <othomas> tried synaptic?
[08:20] <grifter17> i just installed this last nyt
[08:21] <grifter17> i want to put yahoo messenger but i dunno haw
[08:21] <grifter17> how
[08:22] <othomas> don't you have Gaim?
[09:14] <boy> kj
[09:20] <biBOY> ello peepz
[09:37] <pc11> hello
[09:38] <kianziack> hello
[09:55] <morrow> Your kernel was built with "gcc" version "3.4.5", while you are trying to use
[09:55] <morrow> "/usr/bin/gcc" version "4.0.2". This configuration is not supported and VMware
[09:55] <morrow> Workstation cannot work in such configuration.
[10:13] <rockin_stan> anybody has Kgpg running in kubuntu?
[10:27] <after8> morning all
[10:36] <amadeus> where is www.ubuntuguide.org?
[10:44] <kakalto> uhm lol
[10:44] <rockin_stan> amadeus, down atm
[10:44] <kakalto> that makes more senso
[10:44] <kakalto> *sense
[10:50] <phazeman> i have 2 questions. 1. what is the way to see the installed packages list (and find for somehting instaqlled) with the apt ? 2. is there any way to update the whole distro with apt like i can do with urpmi ? thanks in advance
[10:50] <jeh> dpkg -l
[10:50] <jeh> for the first
[10:51] <phazeman> thanks !
[10:51] <Tm_T> sources.list is the key for second
[10:51] <jeh> do you wish to update a hoary to breezy or just get the newest packages for your current version?
[10:51] <phazeman> jeh: i thought to try out the breezy but i don't want to reinstall everything
[10:52] <phazeman> just run the apt-get update && upgrade
[10:52] <phazeman> is it possible ?
[10:52] <Tm_T> phazeman: yes, after you modified your sources.list
[10:52] <jeh> check sources.list to point it to breezy
[10:52] <phazeman> ok... going to hunt for some info 
[10:52] <phazeman> thanks muc
[10:52] <phazeman> much*
[10:52] <jeh> then apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade
[10:53] <phazeman> is there any known page that list the sources ? something like easy urpmi ?
[10:53] <Tm_T> hmm, what about replacing all "hoary" parts with "breezy" ?
[10:54] <Tm_T> I think it'll do the trick
[10:54] <phazeman> ahhhh
[10:54] <jeh> can't be that easy
[10:54] <phazeman> thanks.. going to tray that
[10:54] <phazeman> try*
[10:54] <phazeman> jeh: why not ? lets try :)
[10:54] <Tm_T> haha
[10:54] <jeh> please be my guinea pig :)
[10:54] <jeh> oink! oink!
[10:54] <Tm_T> jeh: well, apt is easy
[10:55] <phazeman> did any of you see this article ? http://www.howtoforge.com/perfect_setup_ubuntu_5.04
[10:55] <jeh> Tm_T: i was more thinking about that something would break. i know that apt is easy 
[10:55] <phazeman> i just wonder if thats that easy as they say to do....
[10:55] <Tm_T> jeh: breaking things... fun \o/
[10:55] <phazeman> jeh: i don't mind to break the system....
[10:55] <phazeman> it's fun :)
[10:55] <after8> phazeman> page listing sources? yes
[10:55] <phazeman> much more fun is to fix the broke...
[10:55] <jeh> fun for the whole family when daddy curses at the computer :)
[10:55] <after8> !repositories
[10:55] <ubotu> methinks repositories is at at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto A list of official repositories can be found at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969 (Hoary) or http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2325 (Breezy)
[10:56] <phazeman> thanks after8 
[10:56] <Tm_T> =)
[10:56] <Tm_T> ubotu: !wtf
[10:56] <ubotu> Tm_T: NO SPEAKE ENLISH!
[10:56] <phazeman> jeh: LOL
[10:56] <Tm_T> ubotu: !perkele
[10:56] <ubotu> Tm_T: Do they come in packets of five?
[10:56] <phazeman> heh
[10:56] <Tm_T> ubotu: sure
[10:56] <ubotu> Tm_T: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
[10:56] <Tm_T> ubotu: well, it MUST be
[10:56] <ubotu> Tm_T: Did you get hit by a windmill?
[10:56] <jeh> Tm_T: don't think it groks finnish...
[10:57] <Tm_T> jeh: me neither, but "good" way to spent couple minutes
[10:57] <Tm_T> spend
[10:57] <jeh> of course :)
[10:57] <Tm_T> ubotu: moron
[10:57] <ubotu> I haven't a clue, Tm_T
[10:57] <Tm_T> as I said...
[10:58] <jeh> phazeman: is it broken already?
[10:58] <phazeman> jeh: what ?
[10:58] <phazeman> what broken >
[10:58] <phazeman> ?
[10:59] <Tm_T> I'm not
[10:59] <jeh> phazeman: your breezy update
[11:00] <phazeman> jeh: i didn't start it yel lol
[11:00] <phazeman> i'm still in the consideration state
[11:00] <jeh> heh
[11:00] <after8> phazeman> break it ;) ! !! !!
[11:00] <after8> if you know how to repair, that is.
[11:00] <phazeman> hehe
[11:00] <jeh> putting peer pressure on poor phazeman 
[11:01] <phazeman> actually.. i'm a mandriva person... but i don't mind to play :)
[11:01] <phazeman> hehe
[11:01] <Tm_T> bah, I can't see any reasons why it'll break anything
[11:02] <morrow> hmmmmmm xfonts-terminus installs to a wrong location :/
[11:02] <jeh> nah, it shouldn't break anything. but the emphasis is on the word "shouldn't"
[11:02] <after8> jeh> a new PPP protocol?
[11:02] <after8> PPPP even ;)
[11:02] <jeh> heh
[11:03] <phazeman> actually i think i will not upgrade
[11:03] <phazeman> since i already have what i need
[11:03] <phazeman> and, anyway, i have to wait until my download finish
[11:03] <phazeman> :))))
[11:03] <Tm_T> =)
[11:03] <phazeman> but it's good to know how
[11:04] <phazeman> why would i upgrade if i have all the functionality already ?
[11:04] <phazeman> did any of you look into the link i gave about the server install ?
[11:04] <phazeman> http://www.howtoforge.com/perfect_setup_ubuntu_5.04
[11:04] <phazeman> i just wonder if it's any good
[11:05] <phazeman> ha ?
[11:06] <jeh> well, i don't run an isp so i have no idea
[11:09] <phazeman> i think it's a cool thing to build your home server when you are a newb and this is what you want your linux machine to be
[11:09] <phazeman> but it's me
[11:10] <after8> phazeman> loooots of ppl share your opinion, for it is a fine one ;)
[11:10] <phazeman> after8: i didn't try it yet but definatly think to do so the next week
[11:10] <phazeman> if it all works as it says it is - definataly great thing
[11:12] <after8> it works, with a bit of 
[11:12] <after8> sweat, but thats how we learn... and remember uncle google ;)
[11:16] <lonewolff> hmm, is something majorly broken in the lastest packages in breezy? i installed the newer packages earlier on my Mac and my x86 laptop, the mac is fine but the laptop doesnt load X anymore
[11:26] <timlinux> is there any plan to fix firefox so that it uses kde style file dialogs? The gnome file dialog drives me up the frigging wall...
[11:26] <shogouki> there is an ugly hack
[11:27] <timlinux> I spose  I could use konqi with the moz engine....if thats still possible...
[11:27] <timlinux> shogouki: ugly hacks are fine
[11:27] <aftertaf> lonewolff> check if xfs is installed
[11:27] <timlinux> shogouki: do you have a url?
[11:27] <aftertaf> X failed on 3 pcs for me....
[11:27] <shogouki> http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=14785
[11:28] <timlinux> thanks!
[11:29] <Tm_T> hummmm
[11:32] <lonewolff> hmm, it appears there are problems when inserting quite a few modules
[11:33] <nikkia> lonewolff: reported by hotplug? that's 'normal'
[11:33] <lonewolff> and lots of cpufreq: change failed with new_state 1 and result 0
[11:34] <aftertaf> i have hotplug pbs too
[11:35] <lonewolff> its very weird, everything was working fine, updates today, now i have no wireless, no X, when i goto f7 (the tty where x should be) they keyboard stops working
[11:36] <lonewolff> (at least the mac updated alright otherwise i'd have major problems)
[11:38] <aftertaf> lonewolff> try reconfing xorg & install xfs
[11:39] <lonewolff> aftertaf: tried that
[11:39] <lonewolff> startx gives a message about there being no core pointers
[11:39] <aftertaf> you too?
[11:39] <aftertaf> try:       Option          "Device"                "/dev/psaux"
[11:40] <aftertaf> on mouse section instead of input/mice
[11:40] <lonewolff> im using psaux atm
[11:40] <aftertaf> erf!
[11:40] <lonewolff> /dev/psaux doesnt exist, which may pose a problem
[11:41] <lonewolff> (but it existed before this update)
[11:42] <lonewolff> neither /dev/input/mice or /dev/psaux exist
[11:43] <lonewolff> methinks something is broked
[11:43] <aftertaf> me 2!!!
[11:55] <aftertaf> lonewolff> you under 64 bit by any chance???
[12:17] <sveri> hi, i have a soundcard (sb audigy) and
[12:18] <sveri> a tv controller (bt878) in my computer, how can i tell arts or kde that the primary sound controller should be my sb audigy and not the tv controller sound card?
[12:18] <ca5s4va> hallo everyone ... 
[12:20] <ca5s4va> is there any ubuntu repository that provide libdvdcss and/or win32codec ???
[12:31] <nikkia> morning apokryphos
[12:31] <nikkia> thought you had enrollment today?
[12:31] <chx> it's soooooo great that Kubuntu desktop now rotates as it should.
[12:32] <apokryphos> nikkia: allo -- I did; went and came back already :D.
[12:32] <apokryphos> nikkia: pretty speedy process. You're talking to an official King's student now 8)
[12:32] <nikkia> apokryphos: wow, that was quick
[12:33] <apokryphos> nikkia: only stuff I really got today was ID card, email etc, computer logons. Gotta wait tomorrow for timetables, course registration etc
[12:33] <apokryphos> which will cost me another 4.70! Gah. London Underground.
[12:33] <nikkia> apokryphos: still, used to take me an hour or two
[12:33] <nikkia> and that was when i was already ON campus, and not travelling back and forth :)
[12:34] <apokryphos> nikkia: I was surprised with the ID card. The lady barely took my picture and it came out all ready
[12:39] <lonewolff> aftertaf: no its i386, but im back on hoary now and all is well
[12:39] <aftertaf> oki.. cool.
[12:39] <aftertaf> sth not right with the x package... a lot of ppl having same pb.
[12:47] <Tonio-> hi everyone
[12:47] <aftertaf> lonewolff> there is a workaround for the pb...
[12:47] <aftertaf> udev not creating some devices.....
[12:48] <lonewolff> aftertaf: oh? got a url?
[12:49] <aftertaf> http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=15932
[12:49] <aftertaf> /etc/init.d/udev restart
[12:49] <aftertaf> /etc/init.d/gdm restart
[12:49] <aftertaf> makes it work temporarily
[12:49] <aftertaf> a workaround, but not yet bugfixed.
[12:50] <lonewolff> ah ic
[12:53] <lonewolff> im just upgrading the laptop again now, so i will give it a try
[12:55] <Cyberjames> hello...
[12:56] <chx> hibernate? you mean, next spring Kubuntu will be able to hibernate straight from KDE desktop?
[12:57] <Cyberjames> hello. how can I share my printer on network? anyone has appreciated idea?
[12:58] <aftertaf> hi Cyberjames 
[12:58] <aftertaf> ive no idea, never ever done....
[12:58] <aftertaf> is it installed locally to begin with?
[12:59] <Cyberjames> aftertaf: yeah
[12:59] <Cyberjames> aftertaf: I want to share it on my other PC.. how?
[01:02] <aftertaf> ok. open up your print manager
[01:02] <aftertaf> system;settings, printers
[01:03] <Cyberjames> aftertaf, and then?
[01:04] <aftertaf> do you see your local printer?
[01:04] <Cyberjames> aftertaf, no
[01:04] <Cyberjames> aftertaf, it looks disable button...
[01:04] <aftertaf> ah, then it isnt installed locally then...
[01:05] <tucoz> Hi, sorry for the newbie question, but... I am looking for a osx-style theme for my kubuntu hoary install but get scared by the install processes in kdelook.org
[01:05] <Cyberjames> aftertaf, but I can able to print/./..
[01:05] <aftertaf> in kde?
[01:05] <tucoz> So I thought that there might be some unoffical theme packages available through apt-get
[01:07] <aftertaf> see the print server part? you need to go in there and set it up as a print server
[01:07] <aftertaf> i'm sort of guessing cs i've never used that before.
[01:07] <Cyberjames> how to configure cups?
[01:08] <aftertaf> that i dont know.... try uncle google
[01:08] <Cyberjames> lol
[01:08] <tucoz> Not really scared, but I do not really understand the internals of kde so is there something that may break by installing for install baghira
[01:09] <tucoz> s/install/instance
[01:09] <aftertaf> tucoz> no idea..... 
[01:10] <tucoz> aftertaf: :) ok
[01:11] <aftertaf> though you can play around alot with themes and stuff....
[01:12] <tucoz> yes, I know. But a lot of the themes in kdelook does not come in 'theme-packages'. It seems that you have to install by doing some sudo work
[01:13] <apokryphos> for styles and window decorations; for other things, nope.
[01:13] <tucoz> ok. I think I'll just download a theme and read the README then :)
[01:13] <apokryphos> (in theory you don't even need sudo for those, if you compile the style/windec and install it user-side somewhere)
[01:14] <aftertaf> tucoz> ohh the kde lok site.. true...
[01:14] <apokryphos> tucoz: it's better to just individually pick what you want from styles, windecs etc and investigate
[01:15] <aftertaf> apokryphos> isnt there a new tool in kde soon that can d/l the themes directly?
[01:15] <tucoz> apokryphos, probably. Just like the apt-get way, to install stuff with a bang
[01:15] <apokryphos> aftertaf: KNewStuff, but it's hard to implement with styles/windecs (which require compiling); even icons won't have knewstuff for kde 3.5, unfortunately.
[01:16] <apokryphos> tucoz: some styles and icons are available from apt; you could try some of those.
[01:16] <tucoz> yes, I have found a few. Like the kde-themes(or whatever it was called) for instance
[01:16] <apokryphos> cool
[01:17] <aftertaf> apokryphos> it can grab new wallpaper tho (even if only about 15 of em ;) )
[01:17] <jeh> yesterday in the dot there was a mention about some guy packaging themese & stuff
[01:17] <tucoz> jeh: oh, really? cool
[01:17] <apokryphos> aftertaf: yup; it's also implemented in Kopete, superkaramba and amaroK so far
[01:18] <jeh> ok, that was apparently for debian, but maybe it works: http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=29317
[01:18] <tucoz> jeh: I'll check it out.
[01:19] <jeh> someone is building kubuntu packages too 
[01:22] <tucoz> thanks for the help. got to go
[01:27] <incubii> breezy is lookin very nice
[01:27] <aftertaf> incubii> hehe
[01:28] <aftertaf> it is yeah :D
[01:28] <aftertaf> xept when X goes dead on you ;)
[01:28] <incubii> any idea when we will get a kubuntu bootsplash though. the ubuntu one kinda ruins the moment
[01:28] <jeh> you boot too often
[01:29] <incubii> im on a laptop
[01:30] <incubii> and its gettin kinda old this whole rebooting thing :)
[01:31] <jeh> sorry, couldn't resist
[01:31] <aftertaf> lol incubii .....   ubuntu != gnome
[01:31] <jeh> one day linux will work fine on laptops too so that one doesn't have to boot them either
[01:31] <aftertaf> you can have both, whichever iso you grab ;)
[01:31] <incubii> yeah i know aftertaf , but the officials only come as ubuntu :P
[01:31] <jeh> aftertaf: no, quite the reverse. ubuntu has nothing to do with kde
[01:32] <incubii> and i didnt have time to download kubuntu
[01:32] <incubii> so i apt-get kubuntu-desktop
[01:32] <aftertaf> jeh> yeah i know....... but you dont have to have gnome, you can just grab kde
[01:32] <jeh> can you nuke the gnome stuff from an ubuntu?
[01:33] <incubii> apt-get remove gnome* ?
[01:33] <aftertaf> apart from the default gnome -vs- kde, ubuntu is kubuntu & vice versa.....
[01:33] <jeh> ...without making the system more or less unusable?
[01:33] <aftertaf> incubii> probably
[01:33] <aftertaf> jeh> think so.... ubuntu depends neither on kde or gnome.
[01:33] <jeh> on a fedora you can't really get rid of the gnome stuff
[01:34] <aftertaf> ubuntu is in a debian world :)
[01:34] <incubii> we do things the right way :P
[01:40] <aftertaf> incubii> yeahhhhhhhhh :)
[01:41] <jeh> i should actually nuke this fedora
[01:43] <paines> hi
[01:44] <aftertaf> hi
[01:45] <aftertaf> Jeh probably yeah ;)
[01:45] <aftertaf> redhat... :/    never got on with them
[01:45] <paines> i am a bit  pissed off about the situation for amd64. everytime kde releases something, the same minute (k)ubuntu packages are released for it too, but only for i386. I would like to help with that, like compiling and so on for amd64. 
[01:46] <jeh> aftertaf: i inherited this machine at work with fedora already on it. i think when i get a quiet day i'll shove my hoary dvd to it
[01:46] <chx> the big problem is, that my favourite mp3 player beep-media-player needs gnome :(
[01:46] <jeh> chx: is it such a big problem then?
[01:46] <aftertaf> chx> then install bmp and the other packages.... you can get by without having the whole gnome package
[01:47] <aftertaf> paines> hmm. speak to apokryphos , maybe he can point you in the right direction.
[01:47] <paines> aftertaf, okay. thank you very much
[01:48] <paines> or maybe i should contact jon riddel directly
[01:48] <chx> aftertaf: how could I remove what's not necessary? this is a wider question actually... apt-get now is not too snappy 'cos there are 100 000 files installed and I do not really have an idea how did I get that much since Hoary is out...
[01:48] <apokryphos> paines: help is certainly accepted :). Join #kubuntu-devel and let Riddell in there know
[01:48] <paines> all right
[01:48] <paines> :-)
[01:48] <paines> thanks
[01:48] <chx> deporphan lists only very few packages
[01:48] <aftertaf> :)
[01:48] <aftertaf> hehe
[01:48] <apokryphos> paines: the main problem was that we plainly didn't have AMD64 people ready to compile.
[01:49] <aftertaf> 100000 files or packages?
[01:49] <paines> apokryphos, i thought about something like that
[01:49] <chx> aftertaf: files
[01:49] <aftertaf> thats maybe not a pb you know.......
[01:49] <chx> (Reading database ... 102862 files and directories currently installed.)
[01:50] <aftertaf> but go into synaptic/adept and search for gnome string in description, then remove all you see.... preview what it will remove and make sure nothing you want to keep has dependencies
[01:50] <chx> aftertaf: that's OK for gnome, but I doubt I need all the 1143 that got slipped on my system. I guess most are were used for compiling this or that but no longer needed :(
[01:51] <chx> 1143 packages, that is
[01:51] <chx> adept is for Breezy, isn't it?
[01:51] <aftertaf> chx> hehe.... sort of, but you can get it in hoary too.
[01:51] <aftertaf> need to add a special repository ;)
[01:52] <chx> oh shit, firefox also depends on gnome stuff :(
[01:52] <aftertaf> chx> yep... 
[01:53] <mornfall> just drop ffox, easy ;-)
[01:54] <chx> mornfall: despite I am a registered Opera user for years, Firefox is still needed sometimes
[01:54] <aftertaf> hehe mornfall 
[01:54] <aftertaf> purist !
[01:54] <aftertaf> chx> wine & IE is the way!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[01:54] <aftertaf> hahahahahahaha
[01:54] <aftertaf> </evil bill mode>
[01:54] <mornfall> aftertaf: i don't use ffox unless forced
[01:54] <chx> I am also a registered Crossover Office user and yes, I run IE sometimes
[01:54] <mornfall> but then, i recently got rid of kmail :-)
[01:54] <chx> mornfall: nod
[01:55] <mornfall> mutt
[01:55] <jeh> how good is adept?
[01:55] <aftertaf> kmail? what link to firefox?
[01:55] <mornfall> aftertaf: purism
[01:55] <aftertaf> jeh> ask its mum ;)
[01:55] <jeh> aftertaf: heh, i'm slightly blind :)
[01:55] <mornfall> adept doesn't cook you a dinner yet
[01:56] <aftertaf> lol mornfall 
[01:56] <jeh> mornfall: not even expected. coffee would be nice though
[01:56] <aftertaf> you notice the edinting of deb http:// thing i mentioned?
[01:56] <mornfall> lemme try
[01:56] <mornfall> aftertaf: you really need to file b.k.o entries ;-)
[01:57] <aftertaf> i cant get my head round how to use that site..... makes me go all sweaty and afraid ;)
[01:57] <mornfall> aftertaf: ur right
[01:57] <mornfall> aftertaf: bugzilla sucks, but tough luck
[01:58] <mornfall> sp++
[01:59] <mornfall> O.o
[02:00] <mornfall> *frown* my head hurts
[02:01] <aftertaf> lol
[02:02] <mornfall> it ain't funny
[02:02] <aftertaf> oh, for real? erf!
[02:02] <aftertaf> not funny!!!
[02:03] <mornfall> listening to Katatonia - Rainroom (0:04/6:31)
[02:03] <aftertaf> whats the ting with kmail then?
[02:03] <mornfall> kmail sucks
[02:03] <mornfall> kinda
[02:03] <mornfall> crashy and unreliable
[02:03] <mornfall> and i hate unreliable soft
[02:04] <chx> wow we are down to 95K files...
[02:04] <chx> kmail--
[02:04] <chx> Opera M2++
[02:04] <chx> When I had about 1000 messages in a folder
[02:04] <chx> really not mcuh
[02:04] <chx> kmail and search became orthogonal :)
[02:05] <chx> Opera M2 can deal with 100 000 mails in a folder and still do incremental search without any noticeable delays.
[02:05] <mornfall> that's virtually impossible you know :)
[02:05] <chx> mornfall: heard of databases :) ?
[02:06] <mornfall> chx: yeah, but you need to do linear search here
[02:06] <chx> hmmm
[02:06] <chx> prefix tree I gues.
[02:06] <mornfall> chx: and linear search on substrings is, well, linear search on substrings
[02:06] <JabberWokky> Not if you index them as they come in.
[02:06] <chx> yes, there is definitely an index
[02:07] <mornfall> erm, what kind of index? if it only matches on words, it's useless
[02:07] <mornfall> well
[02:07] <mornfall> yeah, i guess you can do an index and match that index
[02:07] <JabberWokky> Yes.  That's how most indexes work... like htdig or... uhh... Google.
[02:07] <mornfall> JabberWokky: htdig and google only matches on words
[02:07] <JabberWokky> (I'd assume)
[02:08] <mornfall> that's _easy_
[02:08] <aftertaf> opera installs oracle 9i hidden version for mail searching ... hehe
[02:08] <JabberWokky> mornfall: No, they can match on phrase.
[02:08] <chx> of course Opera matches only words
[02:08] <mornfall> JabberWokky: that's an easy extension of easy concept
[02:08] <mornfall> i need _substrings_
[02:08] <chx> mornfall: there is a non-incremental search , too
[02:08] <mornfall> chx: incremental search needs to work on substrings, too
[02:09] <chx> mornfall: what's more you can make that search permanent... very convinient... no folders just filters
[02:09] <JabberWokky> No it doesn't... not if the start falls at a word.
[02:09] <chx> JabberWokky: exactly
[02:09] <JabberWokky> Besides, there are other ways to index.
[02:11] <mornfall> yeah, if you have an per-word index over message headers, you could do substring match on that and then make union over the matching words
[02:11] <mornfall> question is, how big such an index becomes
[02:12] <chx> opera quicksearch works on more than headers -- full text.
[02:13] <chx> btw. is there a good algorithm to match 1000 search strings at once against a text?
[02:13] <chx> I guess some preprocessing needs to be done and then it'll be blazing fast
[02:38] <othomas> hi all..:)...<waves>
[02:38] <aftertaf> hi:)
[02:41] <othomas> another great day aftertaf
[02:41] <othomas> lol
[02:41] <Prodegy> Im tired
[02:41] <Prodegy> Bout to go to work though
[02:42] <Prodegy> Everyone have a good day
[02:42] <othomas> u2 prodegy
[02:42] <Prodegy> thanks mate
[02:48] <aftertaf> oh yeah..... seems 2 be a good day.
[02:48] <aftertaf> Riddell> 3.5 will be released for breezy sometime soon after the oct13 release?
[02:49] <Riddell> aftertaf: KDE 3.5 doesn't have a release date but it'll be after breezy
[02:50] <aftertaf> yeah i thought so....   it it stable enought to be tested out on breezy now?
[02:50] <aftertaf> i know you would like testers though....and id be willing.
[02:50] <MrFaber> Does anyone know how caching works with arts?
[02:51] <MrFaber> Doesn't it desynchronize movies?
[02:58] <`Nomad> Hi all.. Any suggestion for a free IMAP mail account for use in a demo to my boss?
[02:59] <aftertaf> tried free imap in uncle google?
[02:59] <aftertaf> ;)
[03:00] <aftertaf> (other way of saying, nope sorry!!!)
[03:01] <othomas> kelly rippa is so skinny, her ribs show between her breasts
[03:07] <`Nomad> oops.. Got one yes, fastmail. :)
[03:07] <aftertaf> whois kelly rippa?
[03:07] <othomas> she's host on regis and kelly
[03:08] <othomas> sorry inoticed cuz they talking about diets
[03:09] <aftertaf> whatis regis & kelly?
[03:09] <aftertaf> ribs between breasts? sounds like a barbecue ;)
[03:09] <othomas> LOL
[03:10] <aftertaf> any going spare ;) ?
[03:11] <othomas> don't think so.she seems to save her ribs..hahah
[03:29] <Budda> i've downloaded following splashscreen :
[03:29] <Budda> http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=28731
[03:30] <Budda> and theres a theme.rc in it but i can't see it with the kcontrolcenter someone has a idea what to do?
[03:31] <aftertaf> nice
[03:32] <Budda> yeah...but how can i use it?
[03:33] <aftertaf> dunno.
[03:34] <morrow> Budda: just add the tar.gz which you downloaded
[03:34] <buz> is kde 3.5beta safe for use? (still laughing about the code name, btw)
[03:34] <aftertaf> copy to /usr/share/apps/ksplash/Themes
[03:35] <Budda> thanks
[03:39] <othomas> hi K_K
[03:39] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi othomas. how are you?
[03:43] <morrow> Unpacking kanzler (from .../kanzler_18_09_2005.deb) ...
[03:43] <morrow> dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of regierung:
[03:43] <morrow> kanzler depends on mehrheit ; however:
[03:43] <morrow> Package mehrheit is not installed.
[03:43] <buz> ROTFL
[03:44] <buz> package schrder conflicts with package merkel
[03:44] <buz> both want to install data into kanzlersitz
[03:44] <buz> they dont speak english in germany you know ;)
[03:45] <Kamping_Kaiser> backward race ;)
[03:45] <morrow> not my fault that KDE's codename is kanzler :-)
[03:45] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[03:45] <buz> as i say, kde is fsater than zee germans themselves ;)
[03:45] <buz> but is kanzler useable?
[03:45] <Budda_> how can i change the size of the desktop icons?
[03:45] <buz> or best left alone?
[03:45] <slow-motion> hallo
[03:45] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol buz
[03:46] <buz> (well neither schrder nor merkel is really useable if you ask me. KDE for chancellor!)
[03:46] <othomas> lol
[03:47] <buz> but then both kde and gnome would get 35% and neither one could rule i guess
[03:47] <Budda_> does nobody know how i can change the size of icons on the desktop?
[03:52] <aftertaf> loool morrow :)
[03:52] <aftertaf> !start a chancellor war
[03:52] <ubotu> aftertaf: Are you on ritalin?
[03:52] <apokryphos> Budda: go to the control center
[03:52] <aftertaf> oh it already started ;)
[03:53] <apokryphos> Budda: appearance & themes -> icons
[03:57] <buz> mhh somehow, ubotu isnt very friendly ;)
[03:57] <othomas> lol
[03:57] <buz> keeps telling people they are on drugs ;)
[03:57] <Budda^AA> apokryphos, thx
[03:57] <othomas> ask if he's a bot..<grin>
[03:57] <Kamping_Kaiser> buz. its probably right :)
[03:58] <buz> ubotu: are you a bot?
[03:58] <ubotu> buz: I haven't a clue
[03:58] <buz> that explains 
[03:58] <aftertaf> !bot
[03:58] <ubotu> I'm a bot, I'm a bot. Set fire to me, I'll get hot. Reply to aftertaf? I think not. Bot, got, chicken... rhyming sucks.
[03:58] <buz> !ubotu
[03:58] <ubotu> Thaaat's me! I'm a bot, not a human. I'm sometimes the most coherent poster on #ubuntu! For more, ask me about "add". You can browse my brain on http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[03:58] <othomas> lol
[03:59] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol. love it
[03:59] <Kamping_Kaiser> cc.com.au?
[03:59] <aftertaf> boing.....
[03:59] <aftertaf> im outta here ;)
[04:05] <buz> ok lets see if kanzler works ;)
[04:05] <buz> i'll upgrade to breezy later this week any way
[04:11] <buz> ok, kde still comes up
[04:11] <buz> but the window deco looks kinda weird
[04:12] <buz> pager now displays contents, nice
[04:12] <othomas> mmmmmmmmmmmmm
[04:13] <buz> it still is plastik
[04:13] <buz> but somehow, the buttons look quite edgy
[04:13] <buz> might be intentional though
[04:13] <buz> i think they were more rounded before
[04:14] <buz> decoupled taskbar now has some animations
[04:21] <buz> i think it might have somehow done something to my fonts
[04:24] <buz> is replacing hoary by breezy in sources.list enough to update to breezy
[04:24] <buz> (i have backups ;)
[04:25] <Kamping_Kaiser> then usual update and dist-upgrade yes
[04:25] <buz> 906 upgraded, 357 newly installed, 44 to remove and 2 not upgraded.
[04:25] <buz> After unpacking 453MB of additional disk space will be used.
[04:25] <Juerd> buz: In general, yes.
[04:25] <buz> is that normal?
[04:26] <Kamping_Kaiser> sounds about right
[04:26] <Juerd> It's possible your installation wasn't complete before
[04:26] <buz> it probably was ;)
[04:26] <ml--> is it hard to get tv-out working properly?
[04:26] <Juerd> ml--: Depends on much
[04:26] <buz> the 2 not upgraded worries me somewhat
[04:26] <Juerd> ml--: Best way to find out is to try
[04:27] <Juerd> buz: You can do those manually afterwards if you like
[04:27] <buz> ah well lets have it download the stuff
[04:27] <buz> i'll be having holidays as of tomorrow
[04:27] <ml--> Juerd: can you point me to a tutorial? the ones ive found have been tied to the nvidia chipset.
[04:27] <Juerd> ml--: No, sorry
[04:27] <ml--> Juerd: ok. ill keep looking. thanks.
[04:34] <Kejk_PL> Hello, Kubuntu will be relesed with stable 3.5 or with 3.4?
[04:34] <Kamping_Kaiser> 3.4
[04:35] <Kamping_Kaiser> 3.5 missed stable by about 2 weeks iirc
[04:35] <buz> we'll still get 3.5 first I'd say
[04:35] <Kejk_PL> I found in wiki, that Kubuntu's autors will wait if 3.5 will be relesed soon after Ubuntu
[04:36] <Kamping_Kaiser> ok. 
[04:36] <Kamping_Kaiser> *shrug* doesnt matter to me :)
[04:37] <morrow> 3.5 is still beta, so i would wait putting it into an stable release. :)
[04:39] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi thoreauputic
[04:39] <thoreauputic> hi Kamping_Kaiser :)
[04:39] <Kamping_Kaiser> :) how are you?
[04:39] <Kejk_PL> I hope they release kubuntu soon, I'll install 3.5 from unoficial repo, but now I need next stable release :P
[04:39] <buz> morrow: so far 3.5 works nicely
[04:39] <buz> whereas sofar is the last 20min
[04:40] <Kamping_Kaiser> Kejk_PL: soon is about 25 days :)
[04:41] <Kejk_PL> in first day of October would be great :)
[04:41] <Kamping_Kaiser> not gonna happen 
[04:41] <Kamping_Kaiser> try 13th :)
[04:41] <Kejk_PL> */days
[04:41] <DaSkreech> Dapper is the next release after Breezy?
[04:41] <Kamping_Kaiser> yep 
[04:42] <DaSkreech> What animal?
[04:42] <DaSkreech> Dodo? :-)
[04:42] <Kejk_PL> it is not for me in fact, but I don't want to installl preview version for my sisters - they won't cope with any bug :P
[04:42] <Kamping_Kaiser> DaSkreech: duck
[04:42] <Kamping_Kaiser> *drake
[04:44] <Kamping_Kaiser> o_0 there was only one hog. not long to get to like it
[04:44] <DaSkreech> Ground hog
[04:44] <DaSkreech> Hedge hog
[04:45] <DaSkreech> Wart hog
[04:45] <Kamping_Kaiser> there was 'hoary hedgehog' and 'breezy badger'
[04:45] <DaSkreech> Warty Warthog
[04:45] <Kamping_Kaiser> and they are debating a 'grumpy groundhog'
[04:45] <Kamping_Kaiser> true. my bad :/
[04:45] <DaSkreech> and breezy was to be Grumpy Ground hog
[04:45] <DaSkreech> They switched it like two weeks before
[04:46] <Kamping_Kaiser> grumpy groundhog is being thought of to be ubuntus Sid
[04:46] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[04:46] <buz> i'm for humping ape
[04:46] <DaSkreech> With Mono?
[04:46] <Kamping_Kaiser> how about ubuntu 7.20, the Randy Geek release?
[04:47] <DaSkreech> Comes with Sex?
[04:47] <Kamping_Kaiser> would be good. 
[04:47] <DaSkreech> http://projects.df.net/sex
[04:47] <DaSkreech> df ==sf
[04:47] <DaSkreech> Bah I know you are lazy
[04:47] <DaSkreech> http://projects.sf.net/sex
[04:49] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol. yeh, i waited
[04:49] <DaSkreech> Oh wait :) 
[04:49] <Kamping_Kaiser> http://bofh.ntk.net/Bastard2.html
[04:50] <DaSkreech> http://sourceforge.net/projects/sex/
[04:50] <DaSkreech> Whoops :-)
[04:50] <regeya> rock ooooooon!
[04:51] <Kamping_Kaiser> mmmm
[04:51] <Kamping_Kaiser> apt-get install sex
[04:51] <Kamping_Kaiser> depends:  whois man finger
[04:51] <Kamping_Kaiser> ;)
[04:53] <avinoam> I have a question- I'm trying to install kmuddy and there are ubuntu versions of files that are not enough up to date
[04:54] <DaSkreech> Kamping_Kaiser:Oh Right you don't know the meaning of Randy Geek
[04:54] <DaSkreech> apt: updatedb; locate; talk; date; cd; strip; look; touch; finger; unzip; uptime; gawk; head; apt-get install condom; mount; fsck; gasp; more; yes; yes; yes; more; umount; apt-get remove --purge condom; make clean; sleep, or super extractor, http://sf.net/projects/sex/
[04:55] <othomas> LOLOLOL
[04:55] <Kamping_Kaiser> DaSkreech: i didnt have time for that... geek :P
[04:55] <avinoam> I even tried updating based on debian unstable files, but that's also problematic
[04:55] <DaSkreech> That was the ad for SuperEXtractor :)
[04:56] <othomas> lol
[04:56] <Juerd> DaSkreech: yes is kind of infinite, though.
[04:56] <nikkia> DaSkreech: the original unix 'sex' was funnier, those apt-get's just ruin the tempo
[04:56] <avinoam> anyone have any idea how i can get that package running?
[04:56] <DaSkreech> Juerd:  I noticed
[04:57] <nikkia> also, 30 year old unix jokes get tired :P
[04:57] <DaSkreech> Yeah well they fit the Randy Geek theme
[04:57] <othomas> pass on viagra, they say it causes blindness....hmmmmmmmmmmmm
[04:58] <othomas> lol
[04:58] <nikkia> DaSkreech: i actually think implementing the DEC wombat is more in keeping with ubuntu style
[04:58] <othomas> wombat was fun
[04:58] <nikkia> othomas: pfft, don't pretend you know what i'm talking about, it doesn't work :P
[04:59] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[04:59] <DaSkreech> As In Alpha DEC?
[04:59] <nikkia> 'wombat' == about 30-40 help pages about wombats, their eating, mating, and general habits, hidden deep with DEC's database software
[04:59] <Kamping_Kaiser> rofl
[05:00] <Kamping_Kaiser> the Wired Wombat... hm...
[05:00] <nikkia> Kamping_Kaiser: the best line was 'Wombats: Eating     They don't taste too good'
[05:01] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol. bloody dec
[05:02] <nikkia> Kamping_Kaiser: and DEC's 'make' had the old 'make love' -> 'not war?'  'make war' -> not love?' responses
[05:02] <Kamping_Kaiser> mmm. good old days :P
[05:03] <othomas> nikkia, why do you think I have no experience with DEC vax's and microvax's
[05:04] <nikkia> othomas: well, it was humourous, perhaps even funny, but i would be surprised to see anyone ever describe a help system as 'fun'
[05:05] <othomas> fun is in a geeks vocabulary when dealing with problems..we live for solving it...:)
[05:06] <othomas> is why your on a help channel...:)
[05:06] <Kamping_Kaiser> no, othomas, your here to laugh at new users ;)
[05:08] <Kamping_Kaiser> HAHAHAHAH
[05:08] <Kamping_Kaiser> i just found where 'terminal' has moved to
[05:08] <Kamping_Kaiser> after how long using breezy? *slaps head*
[05:08] <nikkia> Kamping_Kaiser: a small bungalow outside southend ?
[05:09] <Kamping_Kaiser> nikkia: close
[05:17] <Kamping_Kaiser> o.+
[05:17] <Kamping_Kaiser> o_o
[05:17] <Kamping_Kaiser> +.o
[05:17] <Kamping_Kaiser> 0.o
[05:17] <Kamping_Kaiser> o.0
[05:17] <Pyf> in ktorrent is there a way to see if your connecting to the tracker properly, so if your port forwarding is working?
[05:20] <buz> how will the policy for oo2 be in breezy?
[05:20] <buz> right now it's very up to date
[05:20] <Kamping_Kaiser> later all.
[05:21] <Kamping_Kaiser> have fun. good luck
[05:21] <othomas> u2, sleep well
[05:25] <pcaro> quit
[05:33] <hussam> It's a reall pitty Breezy won't have kde 3.5
[05:35] <LokeDK> Where can I choose alsa as sound server?
[05:35] <hussam> It there any change that kde 3.5 can hit archive.ubuntu.com once it goes final?
[05:35] <LokeDK> instead of arts
[05:36] <buz> hussam: i doubt it
[05:36] <buz> then again, i barely care
[05:36] <hussam> buz: when is kde 3.5 due for release?
[05:36] <buz> dunno, really
[05:36] <buz> but it would have to be fast it's only beta 1 after all
[05:36] <buz> works btw
[05:36] <morrow> LokeDK: alsa is no sound server, its the interface to the card (aka driver)
[05:37] <buz> Errors were encountered while processing:
[05:37] <buz>  /var/cache/apt/archives/openoffice.org2-common_1.9.129-0.1ubuntu1_all.deb
[05:37] <thoreauputic> hussam: I heard kde 3.5 would be backported ASAP
[05:37] <buz> ok aside of that, breezy install went flawless save for the usual LOCALE complaints
[05:37] <LokeDK> Okay what I meant.. but I prefer alsa than arts
[05:37] <buz> kubuntu pride itself on being first with releasing binary kde updates
[05:37] <buz> ok lets see if the updat eworked
[05:37] <hussam> buz: Yeah I upgraded to breezy as well a week ago
[05:38] <apokryphos> Beautiful KDE PDF docs: http://users.ox.ac.uk/~chri1802/kde/pdf-stuff/userguide-index.pdf 
[05:38] <thoreauputic> LokeDK: you may be confused - alsa is a sound architecture, artsd is a sound daemon like esound
[05:38] <apokryphos> Eventually all of them will be available from a site (and there'll be an easy make file for them)
[05:38] <thoreauputic> LokeDK: IOW, artsd uses alsa
[05:38] <nikkia> thoreauputic: thats a gross oversimplification :)
[05:39] <thoreauputic> nikkia: of course it is
[05:39] <LokeDK> Okay I guess I have misunderstood something
[05:39] <thoreauputic> :)
[05:39] <nikkia> thoreauputic: weirdly, alsa *can* act as a sort of sound daemon
[05:39] <thoreauputic> nikkia: KISS principle?
[05:40] <thoreauputic> nikkia: but if you can explain it more accurately, of course that would be preferable :)
[05:40] <nikkia> thoreauputic: the problem is, there are two aspects of alsa, that are *usually* interconnected, but not necessarily so
[05:40] <nikkia> there are the drivers, and the sound library (asound)
[05:40] <thoreauputic> nikkia: OK that's interesting 
[05:40] <nikkia> the sound library doesn't actually have to use alsa as its back end
[05:41] <nikkia> for example, and this is where its going to get weird...
[05:41] <nikkia> i have alsa as my sound drivers, on top of that runs jack, then i have alsa configured to use jackplug as its output device
[05:41] <nalioth> anybody had trouble with ppc networking with the last few updates?
[05:41] <nikkia> that means programs that try to write to alsa for audio playback, play via jack, which plays via alsa :)
[05:42] <thoreauputic> nikkia: good luck walking hussam through that labyrinth - you've lost me now too :D
[05:42] <hussam> thoreauputic: I'm not the one who asked about alsa
[05:42] <thoreauputic> nikkia: sond on linux is a mystery wrapped in an enigma for me :)
[05:43] <nalioth> my breezy test box is dead-in-the-water
[05:43] <nikkia> thoreauputic: jack is the key, IMO
[05:43] <thoreauputic> hussam: oops - sorry
[05:43] <thoreauputic> hussam: I meant LokeDK of course
[05:43] <nikkia> thoreauputic: the only limitation i have, with jack, is that i have to stop the jack server to run my (work) java apps with sound, because the lwjgl doesn't like being wrapped with any 'oss wrapper' for some reason
[05:44] <hussam> thoreauputic: got that :)
[05:44] <nalioth> can anyone see me?
[05:44] <nikkia> it just popped up a OSD with 'Lick your partners flac' :)
[05:45] <regeya> o_O
[05:46] <nalioth> good morning everyone
[05:46] <thoreauputic> morning nalioth :)
[05:46] <DaSkreech> Hi nalioth
[05:46] <nalioth> was wonderin if anyone could see me
[05:46] <nikkia> eep
[05:46] <thoreauputic> nalioth: I ccan confirm your virtual existence ;)
[05:46] <nikkia> the korean versions of firefox binaries were infected with a linux virus!
[05:47] <nalioth> bugzilla is down
[05:47] <seth_k> nalioth, yeah, network and X both died on me after yesterday's update
[05:47] <seth_k> (re: your question in u-devel)
[05:47] <thoreauputic> nikkia: link?
[05:47] <nalioth> seth_k: well then, that begs the question.. .. ..
[05:47] <nikkia> thoreauputic: http://www.viruslist.com/en/weblog?calendar=2005-09
[05:47] <nalioth> thoreauputic: front page of /.
[05:47] <nikkia> thoreauputic: i imagine the distro specific builds were ok
[05:47] <thoreauputic> ah /. OK
[05:48] <thoreauputic> thank you both :)
[05:48] <nalioth> seth_k: how does one recover from the network snafu? my x works fine on the ibook, just no network
[05:48] <nikkia> before anyone says 'this is fine, don't run it as root' remember that you're actually supposed to run firefox and thunderbird as root *once* initially to seed the global profile stuff
[05:49] <nalioth> nikkia: really? i haven't run any member of the mozilla family as root in a long long time
[05:50] <nikkia> nalioth: yep, its 'required' to setup stuff like the plugin registry
[05:50] <thoreauputic> nalioth: presumably the apt install scripts run as root though - well , not presumably; they have to
[05:50] <nikkia> thoreauputic: they probably install a pre-seeded global profile
[05:50] <thoreauputic> um.. dpkg 
[05:50] <nikkia> and i'm surprised, its actually a proper virus
[05:51] <nikkia> as in old school 'attaches itself to other executables and spreads' stuff
[05:51] <thoreauputic> nikkia: as you say, distro specific versions should avoid this issue
[05:51] <nikkia> thoreauputic: yeah, i imagine most distros build from source
[05:52] <thoreauputic> nikkia: and hopefully *look* at the source code... umm .. I wonder
[05:52] <sorush20> guys where are the kde headers
[05:53] <nxv_> i update to breezy an now seem to have spellchecking activated in kopete and kmail. how can i switch the languages there?
[05:53] <nalioth> sorush20: look in kynaptic for kde*-dev
[05:57] <apokryphos> nxv_: it checks what locales you're using, likely; check in systemsettings
[05:59] <nxv_> apokryphos: i switch between german and englisch but i use us als keyboard layout
[05:59] <apokryphos> ok
[05:59] <nxv_> apokryphos: no way to have a switch like those for the keyboard layouts ?
[06:03] <apokryphos> nxv_: what switch does it have? Some keypress?
[06:04] <nxv_> apokryphos: its a switch in the taskbar, but a shortcut would be fine too
[06:05] <apokryphos> nxv_: there doesn't seem to be one like that, nope
[06:05] <apokryphos> it wouldn't be easily implemented though (apps would have to be restarted for it to take effect etc)
[06:05] <nxv_> a pity
[06:06] <nikkia> thats one of the advantages of having a system-wide spell check provider  :/
[06:08] <freemanen> Thar music player can you choose to kubuntu i don't like kaffeine?
[06:09] <nalioth> freemanen: there are several music players to choose from
[06:09] <nalioth> freemanen: use kynaptic and search
[06:09] <freemanen> oki
[06:10] <apokryphos> freemanen: amaroK and JuK are installed by default in Kubuntu
[06:14] <nxv_> i looove amarok
[06:25] <buz> mhh that breezy update ain't quite right
[06:25] <buz> after the first reboot, x wont come up
[06:25] <buz> i figure out it has only installed about 100 out of 700 packages
[06:25] <buz> apt-get -f dist-upgrade (runnin TWICE, first time choked on oo2, again)
[06:25] <buz> fixed that
[06:26] <buz> but then the real showstopper started
[06:26] <buz> the newly installed kernel wont boot from my XFS root filessystem
[06:32] <elmago> hi guys is anyone familiar with winex?
[06:32] <elmago> i need some help plz
[06:51] <slow-motion> re
[06:58] <toma> will kde 3.5 beta1 be limited to the packages currently available or will the rest follow?
[07:00] <spiral> hi
[07:01] <chx> Any tried apt-get dist-upgrade to breezy preview?
[07:01] <nalioth> chx: lots of us
[07:02] <_andreas> works fine here
[07:02] <_andreas> breezy is really nice
[07:02] <_andreas> my last dist-upgrade brought me a shining new kdm
[07:03] <chx> OK
[07:03] <chx> Then... how do I do it? Looked at the breezy-preview page
[07:03] <chx> I guess I need to change apt sources
[07:04] <jjesse> chx:  just edit your sources.lst and change references from hoary to breezy
[07:04] <jjesse> chx:  however there are no backports section last i heard
[07:04] <_andreas> what's a backport
[07:05] <jjesse> things backported into hoary
[07:05] <chx> geez
[07:06] <chx> that's deep. 593 Mbytes of packages?
[07:06] <jjesse> for the upgrade? a little more for me
[07:06] <jjesse> depends on how much you have installed i guess
[07:07] <chx> sure
[07:07] <chx> a new libc? 
[07:08] <spiral> hmmm, does anyone here know if breezy will come with KDE 3.5 or not ?
[07:09] <chx> spiral: likely not. 
[07:09] <jjesse> Riddell: what version of kde will breezy be? 
[07:09] <nalioth> spiral: you living in the future?
[07:09] <jjesse> isn't it 3.4.x or something like that?
[07:09] <nalioth> jjesse: 3.4.2 currently
[07:12] <Riddell> jjesse: 3.4.2
[07:12] <jjesse> thanks Riddell 
[07:12] <Riddell> spiral: 3.5 will be out too late for breezy
[07:13] <spiral> Riddell: all right, thanks for the confirmation... We'll have to wait for the backports
[07:14] <toma> Riddell: will the beta1 packages be complete later on?
[07:15] <nalioth> backports will provide for your *blinG* addictions
[07:15] <Riddell> toma: probably not I'm afraid but I'll do what I can
[07:16] <toma> Riddell: ok, fair enough.
[07:16] <chx> to my understanding, Debian Sid / Etch is undergoing something called a "C++ ABI transition". Some packages (konversation for eg.) are available for this new system only. Question is: Breezy is after or before this?
[07:17] <Riddell> chx: breezy has completed that transition
[07:17] <chx> cool. It's not that I have the slightest idea of what I am talking of, I just would like to get Konversation 0.18 from a deb and for that I am dist-upgrading now.
[07:17] <nikkia> chx, the transition is scarier than it sounds
[07:18] <nikkia> it basically boils down to 'compile the OS and apps with gcc 4.0 instead of 3.3'
[07:18] <Johnny-> Is the preview version how "preview", stable?
[07:18] <nikkia> erm
[07:18] <nikkia> i mean 'sounds scarier than it is'
[07:18] <jjesse> Johnny-: I've had no problems with it
[07:18] <nikkia> not sure how i managed to type the exact opposite
[07:18] <chx> nikkia: you mean that Deb. and Ubuntu folks have recompiled _all_ stuff?
[07:18] <Riddell> I got scared by it, I still get c++ transition nightmares sometimes
[07:18] <nikkia> chx, i imagine so, it doesn't take long
[07:19] <nikkia> chx, i'm running LFS, it took me about 2 days to build the base OS, and another 3-4 to get KDE, et al, compiled
[07:19] <chx> nikkia: from what Riddell said, it does not sound like a garden party
[07:19] <nikkia> chx, packaging new packages necessarily involves recompiling them anyway
[07:19] <Johnny-> jjesse, good to know :)
[07:20] <nikkia> chx, for 99% of the apps on the OS, it probably isn't an issue at all, you just recompile
[07:20] <nikkia> chx, for that 1% that's where the mess is, if the compile fails because of a 4.0 change (and there are a few) then you have to patch it, or hope someone upstream already has
[07:20] <chx> Johnny-: several people in this channel said to me that breezy preview is already OK
[07:21] <Johnny-> chx, ok
[07:21] <nikkia> chx, the hardest part of such a transition is actually probably organising the contributors to rebuild their packages, debian has more contributors than ubuntu, thus it will take longer for them
[07:21] <chx> Johnny-: and quite frankly, just a month before release it needs to be nearly stable... 
[07:21] <spiral> ohhhhwww.... kdm launches but it then falls back to console, & I don't see it again with kde 3.5beta1... am I the only one ?
[07:22] <Johnny-> Yep
[07:22] <nalioth> chx: it is if you remember it's goin thru major bugfixes atm
[07:24] <nikkia> chx, btw, in one sense an ABI transition can be a good thing
[07:24] <nikkia> chx, it gives you a good excuse to sort out the no-longer-responding contributors from the general pack
[07:25] <chx> oh yes
[07:26] <chx> I am a lead programmer of a much smaller project (Drupal CMS) and we learned that one of the good things in not keeping backwards compatibility is that non-maintained contributed modules will nicely not work :)
[07:27] <Riddell> spiral: check /var/log/kdm.log
[07:27] <godzero> I thought the 4.0 transistion would wind up pushing back breezy. A lot of unknowns when you switch ABIs
[07:27] <spiral> Riddell: looks like he lost the mouse ? :-P
[07:27] <Riddell> spiral: can you start X?
[07:28] <spiral> Riddell: it wants to use /dev/input/mice, & I don't have it ? :-P
[07:29] <Riddell> spiral: could be the broken udev
[07:29] <Riddell> what version of udev do you have?
[07:29] <spiral> Riddell: 0.060-1ubuntu13
[07:30] <rrichie> hi all
[07:30] <Riddell> spiral: that's the broken one, you want ubuntu14, try using the .gb mirror if it's not on your one
[07:31] <spiral> Riddell: all right, I'll check this, thanks
[07:31] <rrichie> i just installed kde 3.5beta 1 ubuntu packages but i don't have any more the bottom bar. Is there a command to make it appear?
[07:31] <Riddell> rrichie: kicker
[07:32] <rrichie> riddell : it says it is already running 
[07:32] <toma> rrichie: did you restart kdm after updating?
[07:32] <rrichie> yes
[07:32] <chx> the wonders of the 'Net. The lead developer tells you off head that "you want ubuntu14". But of course. There are only a few thousand deb packages it's not a wonder he knows all versions.
[07:32] <rrichie> i reseted my computer
[07:33] <toma> rrichie: is it in your ps ?
[07:33] <Riddell> chx:  I got hit with the udev problem earlier today :)
[07:33] <othomas> hi all
[07:33] <Riddell> hello othomas 
[07:33] <spiral> Riddell: this might explain why my sound didn't work without doing snddevices at boot
[07:33] <rrichie> ok i killed kicker but when i relaunch it the bar appear but disappear just after (seems it is outside the screen)
[07:33] <othomas> :)
[07:34] <toma> rrichie: which version of kicker is installed?
[07:35] <rrichie> 3.4.91
[07:35] <rrichie> do i need to delete my old kde settings ?
[07:35] <rrichie> (~/.kde) ?
[07:35] <chx> Riddell: but still, it's a warm and comfortable feeling to talk directly to someone who surely knows :)
[07:35] <toma> rrichie: no, but you could try with a new user to see if it is the problem
[07:36] <OculusAquilae> hi
[07:36] <Riddell> rrichie: can you cp ~/.kde/share/config/kickerrc somewhere, killall kicker, rm that rc file then start kicker again?
[07:36] <othomas> hi OculusAquilae 
[07:36] <rrichie> ok let's try it
[07:37] <rrichie> YES
[07:38] <Riddell> rrichie: fixed?
[07:38] <rrichie> yes
[07:38] <rrichie> thank you very much for the help riddell
[07:38] <Riddell> rrichie: can you put that nasty kickerrc file on a web server somewhere so I could take a look at it
[07:39] <rrichie> euh
[07:39] <rrichie> where ?
[07:39] <Riddell> anywhere I can get it
[07:39] <Riddell> or e-mail to jriddell@ubuntu.com
[07:40] <rrichie> ok i'm mailing it
[07:40] <apokryphos> Riddell: pastebins are good =)
[07:40] <rrichie> can i upload a file on pastebin ?
[07:40] <apokryphos> rrichie: go to http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl  and paste it in there
[07:42] <rrichie> pasted in paste.ubuntulinux.nl
[07:43] <rrichie> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2417
[07:44] <rrichie> is it  ok ?
[07:44] <Riddell> rrichie: yep, seems to have worked
[07:44] <rrichie> good :)
[07:45] <rrichie> do you know if there will be the others kde 3.5b1 packages like kdenetwork ?
[07:45] <rrichie> for ubuntu i mean
[07:46] <Riddell> rrichie: you have AutoHidePanel=true
[07:46] <Riddell> that's why it was disappearing :)
[07:46] <toma> ;-)
[07:46] <rrichie> no because when i put my mouse cursor on bottom it didn't come back
[07:47] <Riddell> hmm, works fine for me
[07:47] <rrichie> baah everything is ok for now :)
[07:49] <rrichie> please will there be the rest of kde 3.5b1 packages for ubuntu ?
[07:50] <toma> Riddell told me earlier that probably will not happen
[07:50] <rrichie> arggg
[07:52] <buz> can anyone confirm or deny that breezy's kernel supports xfs?
[07:52] <Riddell> rrichie: upgrading to 3.5 I can confirm your problem
[07:53] <rrichie> ahhh :)
[07:54] <othomas> lol
[07:54] <toma> buz: grep -i xfs /boot/config-<kernel>
[07:54] <buz> well i guess it has xfs.
[07:55] <buz> xfs complains about the partition not being right but the old kernel boots just fine
[07:55] <mcp_dk> can anyone recommend at easy to use FTP client for Kubuntu with a graphical interface
[07:56] <toma> mcp_dk: konqueror?
[07:56] <othomas> mozilla?
[07:57] <buz> konqi ;)
[07:57] <buz> mozilla aint a real client, it only supports downloads afaik
[07:57] <buz> is there a video player with native support for kioslaves?
[07:58] <toma> buz: konqueror?
[07:58] <toma> just kidding
[07:58] <apokryphos> well, konqueror *can* embed videos :D
[07:59] <buz> yes
[07:59] <nalioth> kftpgrabber
[07:59] <buz> but it's not entirely useful for that ;)
[08:00] <mcp_dk> i need a client that will allow for uploads as well and that is good and stable. and preferrably also has a sitelist or something like that. Is konquror good as FTP client or does it simply also work as a FTP client ?
[08:00] <apokryphos> mcp_dk: it's great as an ftp client
[08:01] <apokryphos> mcp_dk: and, what would a sitelist do exactly?
[08:01] <toma> mcp_dk: it is good. you can easily split your screen to see a traditional ftp layout and you can make favorites. 
[08:01] <buz> to konqi, ftp is just like any other kioslave it uses
[08:02] <buz> so basically the same as locally
[08:02] <apokryphos> well, if I'm using GUI
[08:04] <buz> mhh yeah fish and sftp are nice ;)
[08:05] <buz> mpf
[08:05] <buz> kat makes kded crash
[08:05] <nalioth> mcp_dk: kftpgrabber
[08:05] <apokryphos> I wonder if kbear is still being developed
[08:05] <buz> htf do i get rid of kat
[08:06] <apokryphos> buz: ctrl+alt+esc! 
[08:06] <buz> mhh that ended up killing kicker as well 
[08:07] <apokryphos> did you click on the kicker entry or something? :/
[08:07] <buz> might have done, thinking of it
[08:07] <buz> in blind rage ;)
[08:07] <apokryphos> still, I thought that was only ever set to kill one app/window, weird.
[08:07] <apokryphos> hehe
[08:08] <Riddell> rrichEating: http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=113022
[08:08] <buz> mhh not giving kat anything to index helps ;)
[08:08] <buz> it was in fact kat killing kded ;)
[08:09] <apokryphos> kat's seemed really slow for me; might have to change options
[08:09] <apokryphos> Ubuntu is actually the first distro I've had where the conventional gui find doesn't crash on opening
[08:09] <buz> it seems pretty useless
[08:09] <buz> at least until it get spotlight like integration
[08:10] <buz> is kde 3.5 featurefrozen?
[08:10] <Riddell> buz: it is
[08:10] <jjesse> if i want to download the daily kubuntu build where do i go?
[08:10] <buz> too bad
[08:10] <apokryphos> locate/find/greps generally do the job for me. But a GUI find is useful for seeing-and-dragging
[08:10] <buz> the pop up on the pager is really neat
[08:10] <Riddell> buz: but the kat GUI is a throwaway
[08:10] <apokryphos> jjesse: cdimage.ubuntu.com
[08:10] <buz> even neater would be the ability to click on individual apps ;)
[08:10] <Riddell> jjesse: don't use todays
[08:11] <Riddell> jjesse: today's CD build is boken
[08:11] <jjesse> Riddell: ok i won't
[08:11] <Riddell> jjesse: yesterday's was fine (but doesn't come with adept)
[08:11] <jjesse> Riddell: that's what i wanted, see my email to you
[08:12] <jjesse> Riddell: if i just do an apt-get update apt-get dist-upgrade does it update it to include apdet then or should i want for another day?
[08:12] <buz> now if i could figure out what's wrong with my kernel...
[08:13] <Riddell> jjesse: yes in theory it should
[08:13] <Riddell> although I just did that from hoary and it doesn't seem to have brought it in.. wonder why
[08:13] <jjesse> Riddell: grin i guess the only way tto know is try it ?
[08:13] <Riddell> apt-get install kubuntu-desktop  does
[08:14] <apokryphos> jjesse: did you not have kubuntu-desktop before dist-upgrading?
[08:14] <jjesse> apokryphos: i installed from the preview cd and it didn't include adept
[08:14] <jjesse> so is the best way just to update or install it?
[08:15] <buz> there might be something wrong with the postfix deb
[08:15] <buz> it tries to start postfix without stopping it first?
[08:15] <apokryphos> jjesse: it wasn't in back then, as far as I know; if you had k-d (before upgrading) though it should bring adept in anyway
[08:16] <jjesse> checking
[08:16] <buz> wow adept is neat
[08:16] <buz> somewhat unconventional gui though
[08:18] <apokryphos> buz: good way of putting it; I just said it reminded me a little of html frames :P
[08:18] <pc22> any here can play with ragnarok under ubuntu?
[08:19] <buz> mhh well the upper part is uhm special
[08:20] <buz> especially those weird blue arrows
[08:20] <buz> i understand what they're for
[08:20] <buz> but good ui design it aint
[08:20] <apokryphos> buz: you should let mornfall know what you think :)
[08:20] <buz> mhh i'm no usability whiz
[08:21] <jjesse> i like this version a ton better then the alpha release of it
[08:21] <buz> mhh amarok 1.3 wants to rescan my collection? will me nice settings be gone?
[08:21] <buz> (maybe it wont crash all 3 tracks, if so, i'm happy ;)
[08:22] <apokryphos> I think I preferred the design of the alpha, but not all the features of it.
[08:24] <buz> maybe if my screen wasnt 1600*1200 i had actually use for the arrows in adept ;)
[08:25] <mornfall> buz: some people have either small screens or like to keep more space for the package list etc... that's why the filters are collapsible
[08:26] <buz> it just looks... unconventional
[08:26] <mornfall> buz: i don't think it complicates their use as far as you ignore the arrows
[08:26] <buz> that's true
[08:26] <buz> the fact that you cant sort by attributes is more irritating
[08:26] <mornfall> hmm, sort by attributes?
[08:26] <mornfall> (sorting is completely not implemented atm, so that may be why :-))
[08:27] <buz> yeah say packages, installed.... by clicking column header ;)
[08:27] <mornfall> well, that's not very useful is it?
[08:27] <mornfall> maybe give an use-case :-)
[08:27] <buz> well it's helpful if you know that something is installed
[08:28] <buz> or not installed (say with a lot of *openoffice* packages)
[08:28] <buz> oh and it reliably crashes when i try to install mozilla-mplayer
[08:28] <mornfall> there's the status filter for that
[08:28] <mornfall> buz: broken packages?
[08:28] <buz> mhh dunno
[08:28] <buz> doesnt even start it seems
[08:28] <mornfall> buz: SIGABRT?
[08:28] <buz> let's see what apt-get says
[08:29] <buz> yeah apt says thepackage is broken
[08:29] <buz> it cant find mplayer itself
[08:29] <buz> which is kinda weird
[08:29] <mornfall> i need to fix this broken packages snafu
[08:30] <buz> yeah it might scare people ;)
[08:31] <buz> but otherwise its above and beyond kynaptic and even beats synaptic
[08:31] <buz> kudos
[08:32] <mornfall> yay :-)
[08:34] <buz> now if i could figure out how to use katapult
[08:35] <apokryphos> !katapult
[08:35] <ubotu> Katapult is an application for KDE designed to provide faster access to applications, bookmarks and other items. Once you've installed it, alt+f2 ->katapult, then hit Alt+Space.
[08:36] <rrichie> has anyone tried kopete from svn ?
[08:36] <buz> mhh katapult is kinda daft
[08:36] <buz> doesnt seem to want to use urls
[08:38] <apokryphos> buz: good for bookmarks
[08:38] <buz> i dont use bookmarks in konqi
[08:38] <buz> i think ill stick to the run applet then
[08:42] <buz> is there any chance to see firefox 1.5 in breezy?
[08:42] <mornfall> buz: upstream version freeze
[08:43] <buz> by means of supplementary repo like for kde maybe?
[08:43] <mornfall> that's a different story
[08:44] <buz> especially because firefox is pretty much self contained anyhow
[08:44] <mornfall> hmh?
[08:44] <buz> well instead of simply upgrading to the latest version, patches were backported to 1.0.2 for a while
[08:45] <mornfall> buz: right, because only bugfixes are allowed -- since they have much smaller risk for regressions
[08:45] <mornfall> pretty logical :)
[08:45] <buz> not so sure about that. backporting a bugfix would seem more risk than using an approved vendor release
[08:46] <buz> (which they eventually did with 1.0.6 ;)
[08:53] <zAo^> anyone useing kde 3.5 beta?
[08:53] <buz> yes
[08:53] <buz> works fine
[08:53] <buz> so far anyway
[08:53] <zAo^> any new features?
[08:54] <buz> found some ui tweaks
[08:54] <zAo^> thats all? :$
[08:54] <rrichie> yes
[08:54] <buz> like pager displaying icons of the stuff 
[08:55] <mornfall> buz: that's been there for ages, just probably not default
[08:55] <buz> mhh
[08:55] <buz> tweaks to default settings then ;)
[08:58] <spiral> does anyone here know wether kde 3.5beta1 apps will also make it to the kde 3.5beta1 repository ?
[08:58] <toma> Riddell told me earlier that probably will not happen
[08:58] <spiral> toma: sgnifff
[09:00] <buz> yeah amarok has played 5 tracks without crash
[09:00] <buz> new record *EG*
[09:09] <godzero> breezy: celestia has no icon, and segfaults, stellaruim runs great, but no icon again
[09:09] <godzero> I gotta start a list
[09:11] <jjesse> installing a new copy of kubuntu preview shouldn't it say Kubuntu configuration instead of Ubuntu Configuration
[09:16] <jjesse> and the start up splash screen shouldn't that be Kubuntu instead of ubuntu?
[09:17] <nalioth> jjesse: breezy is under heavy developement
[09:17] <buz> mhh heavy is wrong if there's already upstream freeze
[09:17] <buz> it's under intense bug fixing ;)
[09:17] <rrichie> when i click on Devices in configuration in kopete in kde3.5 it crashed saying :unable to resolve GL/GLX symbols - please check your GL library installation.
[09:17] <jjesse> nalioth: i understand that
[09:20] <godzero> Is kde 3.5 using gl tweeks?
[09:20] <rrichie> don't know but it seems it does
[09:22] <buz> i think it uses plain xorg
[09:22] <buz> cause i dont have gl configured ;)
[09:23] <buz> let's see
[09:23] <rrichie> buz : what version are you using ?
[09:23] <buz> 3.5b1
[09:23] <rrichie> like me great :)
[09:23] <buz> but kopete has no devices??
[09:23] <rrichie> does it work for you ?
[09:24] <rrichie> buz ?
[09:24] <buz> what
[09:25] <rrichie> does click on the device menu make kopete crash ?
[09:26] <buz> where0s that menu??
[09:28] <rrichie> in configuration
[09:28] <krawek> hi
[09:29] <buz> cant find it
[09:29] <rrichie> ??
[09:29] <_StarScream> anyone here have an ibook?
[09:29] <krawek> I have problems with sound in breezy
[09:30] <_StarScream> krawek: you may need to be more helpful in your description
[09:31] <krawek> I does't have sound but the drivers are loaded
[09:31] <krawek> I update to breezy (yesterday)
[09:32] <_StarScream> krawek: and it was working before breezy
[09:32] <krawek> I don't know...
[09:32] <_StarScream> is your card supported under linux?
[09:32] <buz> _StarScream: yes but i run osx on it
[09:33] <krawek> yes, in hoary works...
[09:33] <krawek> the chipset is VIA
[09:33] <_StarScream> krawek: well thats what i was asking before!  Anyway, breezy isn't stable yet.
[09:33] <buz> krawek: what board
[09:33] <_StarScream> might be worth seeing if there is a known problem
[09:34] <krawek> buz: asus
[09:34] <buz> which one
[09:34] <_StarScream> buz: k thanks but i was looking for someone running linux of some description on it
[09:34] <buz> i got a asus k8v se which works fine on breezy
[09:34] <_StarScream> buz: trying to speed up the graphics
[09:34] <buz> that could be hard
[09:34] <buz> i dont think theres binary ati drivers for ppc
[09:34] <krawek> ?8v-deluxe
[09:35] <buz> is it socket939 oder 754?
[09:35] <krawek> 939
[09:35] <buz> that's the a8v
[09:35] <buz> i had that until i killed it
[09:35] <buz> worked under hoary
[09:35] <buz> cant tell about breezy
[09:35] <buz> i think it got realtek sound on it, though
[09:35] <_StarScream> buz: yeh i realise that. Just not sure why i can run tuxracer without lag but switching desktops is fairly latent
[09:35] <buz> that is kinda weird, yes
[09:37] <krawek> ok
[09:42] <Timmmm> Hi, how can I make kubuntu *not* load the prism54 module ever. It conflicts with ndiswrapper. On Gentoo I think there was an /etc/modules.ignore file or something but debian/kubuntu doesn't seem to have that.
[09:43] <Timmmm> Question mark.
[09:44] <morrow> Timmmm: echo "prism54" > /etc/hotplug/blacklist.d/prism
[09:44] <Juerd> Timmmm: Remove it from /etc/modules and add it to /etc/hotplug/blacklist
[09:44] <Juerd> .d, right
[09:44] <Timmmm> Ahh cool. Thanks
[09:44] <Juerd> That new modular stuff still isn't reaching my brain.
[09:44] <Juerd> Everything's .d nowadays.
[09:44] <morrow> /nick morrow.d :-)
[09:45] <Juerd> Juer.d :)
[09:45] <Timmmm> Yeah crazy linux. Removes the useful file extensions and adds crazy pointless directory extensions.
[09:45] <Juerd> Instead of changing package management to deal with portions of text files, the system is changed to deal with the package managers
[09:46] <Timmmm> I blame lack of C++
[09:46] <Juerd> I really do miss the good old
[09:46] <Juerd> # DO NOT EDIT BELOW THIS LINE
[09:46] <Juerd> # YOU CAN EDIT THINGS BELOW THIS LINE AGAIN
[09:46] <Timmmm> And too much bash/sh/awk/sed/perl/etc
[09:46] <Timmmm> heh
[09:46] <Juerd> That in fact you weren't supposed to edit either, although it usually didn't mention that.
[09:46] <toma> booting breezy now, fingers crossed.
[09:47] <Juerd> toma: Don't cross fingers. It makes typing hard.
[09:50] <chx> I have a serious problem
[09:51] <chx> ls -l /usr/lib
[09:51] <chx> total 0
[09:51] <libben> how can i list what is loaded ?
[09:51] <chx> i can't even run apt to fix
[09:51] <libben> daemons
[09:58] <chx> Help! It seems I nicely fucked up everything. Now I will need to reinstall OS that's fine how could I that so that my settings are not touched?
[09:59] <Mirussa> chx: How did you manage to delete all of that?
[10:00] <rafa> hi!
[10:00] <chx> Mirussa: I have ideas but should I make it public how fucking stupid I am?
[10:00] <libben> I wanna remove useless daemons, like hprinting services... i dont have a printer. how do i remove them?
[10:00] <libben> chx: yes =)
[10:00] <chx> Mirussa: instead, please, help :)
[10:00] <libben> just tell us what u did
[10:01] <Mirussa> chx: I'm fairly new at all of this myself, so I'm just wondering so I know what to avoid so I don't get in the same mess myself.. because I'm likely to do stupid things myself
[10:01] <libben> everyone is n00b at some point on everything they do
[10:02] <chx> at least my home dir in not on that FS. 
[10:02] <chx> so, how do we proceed?
[10:02] <chx> nikkia: ping
[10:04] <chx> maybe the newly joined can help..  It seems I nicely fucked up everything. Now I will need to reinstall OS that's fine how could I that so that my settings are not touched?
[10:04] <rikva|laptop> Hi all, I'm completely confused. I want to install w32codecs on Hoary, and I activated universe and multiverse but I can't find the package. I copied the sources.list from my desktop PC (that can find w32codecs) en reloaded, but I still can't find it. Any suggestions?
[10:04] <Riddell> chx: if your /home is on a different partition just reinstall and set that partition to be /home without formatting it
[10:05] <rafa> I use kubuntu, and I have problems with those windows where is an "administrators mode" button
[10:05] <libben> rafa its a known bug
[10:05] <rafa> ok
[10:05] <libben> think u can use
[10:05] <libben> alt + F2
[10:05] <libben> and type kdesu kcontrol
[10:05] <rafa> ok
[10:05] <rafa> thanks
[10:05] <chx> Riddell: KDE settings are only saved under /home ?
[10:05] <libben> think ull get to a menu where u can controll things
[10:06] <rafa> do you know if it will be fixed for the next release of kde ?? or it is a kubuntu problem?
[10:06] <chx> Riddell: and yes, i only fucked up / but not /home .
[10:06] <libben> rafa: its a breezy problem
[10:06] <rafa> ok, thanks libben
[10:07] <libben> the problem is gonna be gone in the final breezy
[10:07] <libben> I wanna remove useless daemons, like hprinting services... i dont have a printer. how do i remove them? and list what i have loaded
[10:07] <apokryphos> chx: specific user configurations are in /home only, yes. 
[10:08] <rafa> libben you can use ksysV
[10:08] <chx> apokryphos: huh, that's a bit cryptic. What I am going to loose? :(
[10:08] <rikva|laptop> I also can't find w32codecs on packages.ubuntu.com -- is it gone?
[10:08] <Riddell> chx: kde settings are saved in ~/.kde yes
[10:09] <rafa> rikva, it is only to make sure, but did you do apt-get update after adding universe and multiverse ?
[10:09] <toma> how do i activate that nice graphical boot thingie of breezy?
[10:09] <apokryphos> chx: if you borked your /? A lot of stuff, but your kde specifics (mail, icon sets, backgrounds, shortcut commands, specific configs to apps etc) you'll have
[10:10] <rikva|laptop> rafa: yes i did
[10:10] <chx> apokryphos: huh, that's reassuring. I think I'll save my modeline from X, too :)
[10:12] <rafa> rikva: apt-cache search w32codecs    tell something ?
[10:13] <rikva|laptop> rafa: tried that, can't find anything.
[10:13] <libben> isnt it in extras ?
[10:13] <rikva|laptop> I also activated extras
[10:14] <rikva|laptop> The weird thing is, I'm using the exact same sources file as my desktop PC, with w32codecs (installed a while ago)
[10:14] <libben> rikva|laptop: is it a breezy?
[10:14] <chx> next time I will put /var on a separate partition too
[10:14] <rikva|laptop> libben: nope, both hoary
[10:15] <libben> k
[10:15] <chx> my poor mysql databases :(
[10:15] <toma> |usplash
[10:15] <libben> and u have made a apt-get update
[10:15] <libben> and then a apt-cache search
[10:15] <rikva|laptop> yes
[10:15] <rikva|laptop> yes
[10:15] <libben> beats me then
[10:15] <libben> install it from a deb file then?
[10:16] <rafa> rikva
[10:16] <rikva|laptop> http://packages.ubuntu.com/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=w32codecs&searchon=names&subword=1&version=hoary&release=all
[10:16] <chx> could someone please send me (email or dcc) some magical binary with which I can burn a CD ?
[10:16] <apokryphos> toma: you mean the ugly dark one? ;-)
[10:16] <toma> apokryphos: no that brown one?
[10:17] <apokryphos> toma: sudo dpkg-reconfigure linux-image$(uname -r)
[10:17] <apokryphos> yeah
[10:17] <chx> please...
[10:17] <libben> I wanna remove useless daemons, like hprinting services... i dont have a printer. how do i remove them? and list what i have loaded
[10:17] <toma> apokryphos: thanks
[10:17] <apokryphos> toma: er, extra hyphen after the image
[10:17] <chx> I only have a Warty live CD at hand
[10:18] <chx> downloaded the Breezy preview ISO
[10:18] <chx> but now what..
[10:18] <rafa> rikva: here is another repository with w32codecs http://nozell.com/blog/taxonomy/categories/linux/ubuntu/
[10:18] <rikva|laptop> rafa: I see, thanks
[10:19] <chx> I think I need a static linked cdrdao. Please, please, pretty please!
[10:19] <rikva|laptop> "You have searched for w32codecs in packages names and descriptions in all distributions, all sections, and all architectures (including subword matching)." Can't find that string.
[10:19] <rikva|laptop> so it's not in my computer ^
[10:20] <libben> I wanna remove useless daemons, like hprinting services... i dont have a printer. how do i remove them? and list what i have loaded
[10:21] <chx> libben: /etc/rc2.d/
[10:24] <libben> k
[10:24] <libben> and then?
[10:24] <libben> hmm
[10:24] <adrianoc> please, i dont make ... mount -t vfat //13.13.13.16/Pub /media/pub, what of it has made a mistake ?
[10:25] <chx> libben: remvoe those links you do not need
[10:26] <toma> apokryphos: hmm, somthing more sophisticated is needed I guess, but i can live with this, not really important
[10:26] <rafa> rikva: the repository on that link dosen't work for me
[10:26] <apokryphos> toma: I don't like it much. Looks like an embedded terminal
[10:26] <apokryphos> (with different colours)
[10:26] <rafa> but googling a little more .... http://wiki.arslinux.com/Ubuntu , and yes, this contains w32codecs
[10:26] <apokryphos> rafa: you've been looking for w32codecs?
[10:26] <rafa> yes
[10:27] <apokryphos> I have the link for it :)
[10:27] <toma> apokryphos: ah yes, true, but having to see the same textt over and over again, is not really sexy wither
[10:27] <rikva|laptop> fyi, i'm not the only one with this prob. http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=66693
[10:27] <apokryphos> rafa: for hoary, giannaros.org/public/hoarydebs
[10:27] <toma> either
[10:27] <m2evorah> Ok nice
[10:27] <rafa> thanks apokryphos
[10:28] <libben> chx: well, cant see hpprinting services in there
[10:28] <libben> is rc2.d the right place ?
[10:28] <rafa> liben, i have done alt+f2 and then kdesu kcontrol, but it doesn't activate the panels (administrators mode)
[10:28] <libben> rafa: when u do it it will pop up and ask for ur user password
[10:28] <libben> and get u to a control program
[10:29] <libben> where ur supposed to be SU in .
[10:29] <rafa> yes, liben, rc2.d is where all the links to the  demons for runlevel 2 are
[10:29] <libben> what are runlevel 2 ?
[10:29] <rafa> liben, yes I am asked for passwd
[10:30] <rafa> libben, in unix systems there are several runlevel, they are differents "configurations", (please don't kill me for this "definition" :) )
[10:31] <libben> well, it was a simple and good explenation
[10:31] <libben> ur excused =)
[10:31] <rafa> in kunbunt the default one is 2, runlevel 0 is usually single  user mode, and 6 is for shutting down
[10:31] <libben> so runlevel is the normal one ? when booted
[10:31] <libben> so if i wanted to shutdown the box
[10:31] <libben> i could enter start rc6.d
[10:31] <libben> =)
[10:32] <libben> the S20hotkey-setup i can remove? i dont have a laptop here 
[10:32] <libben> S20pcmcia i can remove, still no laptop here.
[10:33] <rafa> yes you can delete that link
[10:34] <libben> those 2 u mean
[10:34] <rafa> yes 
[10:34] <libben> but i cant see where the hpprinting service is.
[10:34] <libben> grrr
[10:34] <libben> by the way, if i just rm -rf those 2 files.
[10:34] <libben> is that a proper way of doing it?
[10:34] <rafa> how do you know that you have hpprinting ?
[10:34] <rafa> rm is the way
[10:35] <libben> cause when ubuntu starts it tells me in that fancy boot loading that hpprinting is loaded
[10:35] <libben> and when i saw that i figured i wanted rid of it.
[10:35] <rafa> perhaps it is in cups
[10:35] <libben> cause i dont use printer
[10:35] <libben> whats cups then
[10:36] <rafa> cups is something like common unix printing service
[10:36] <libben> but before we go deep into that, its ok just rm the two files, and its a proper way of doing it.
[10:36] <rafa> libben, just rm the links (they are not files)
[10:37] <rafa> you could use unlink too, but it is up to you
[10:37] <libben> tell me the unlink way also
[10:37] <libben> knew the rm way was the lazy way
[10:37] <libben> wanna do the proper way
[10:37] <rafa> sudo unlink name_of_the_link 
[10:38] <libben> and when i do that, it will be gone from the folder ?
[10:38] <libben> cause its just a link in that folder
[10:38] <libben> and not really a file.
[10:38] <libben> well, its a file created by link
[10:38] <libben> ?
[10:38] <rafa> well I think it is a way of doing it, I don't think one is more proper than another
[10:39] <rafa> in unix almost everything is a file, you see the link as a file
[10:39] <rafa> but it is a link
[10:40] <rafa> when you rm it (or unlink) it will desapear from the directory but not the file that it points to
[10:40] <libben> what more can i remove in that folder
[10:40] <rafa> what do you have ?
[10:40] <libben> synaptic will take care about that later =)
[10:41] <libben> http://pastebin.com/370333
[10:41] <libben> thats my ls of rc2.d
[10:41] <libben> my pc is just a p4 1.7 ghz. 5 years old.
[10:41] <rafa> I don't know if synaptic is aware of the changes in runlevels dirs
[10:42] <libben> i was more thinking of uninstalling the hotkeysoftware also.
[10:42] <libben> after ive unlinked it
[10:42] <libben> like hotkey-setup for instance.
[10:42] <libben> its installed
[10:43] <libben> and after ive unlinked it, i can also uninstall it.
[10:43] <rafa> yes you can remove that too
[10:43] <rafa> I think that hprinting is S19hplip
[10:43] <rafa> if you don't use modem you can remove S14ppp
[10:43] <libben> just use nic's for my internet
[10:44] <libben> no modem here.
[10:44] <rafa> other one is S19cupsys this one is for cups
[10:44] <libben> hmm
[10:45] <libben> why not just complete removal in synaptic on hpprinting packages ?
[10:45] <rafa> one thing, what we are doing du estart this runlevelosen't uninstall or remove the daemons only it won't load the next time yo
[10:45] <libben> it should unlink it too
[10:45] <rafa> yes, but I don't know in which package is hpprinting
[10:45] <rafa> :D
[10:46] <libben> hplip-ppds
[10:46] <libben> for starter
[10:46] <libben> i only searched for "printing"
[10:46] <libben> and found som HP things
[10:46] <libben> that all points to be printing daemons etc etc.
[10:47] <rafa> if you don't need them remove them 
[10:47] <libben> kdeprint i can leave. cause of kde sake, but all that has HP in its name, i will uninstall completly
[10:47] <libben> well, this box wont get a printer .
[10:47] <libben> has it been without one in 5 years.
[10:47] <libben> ill think it wont be bothered with one later anyway
[10:47] <`Nomad> I have a good one..   I need to find a dial-up router (physical, not a PC). :)  Any idea?
[10:49] <rafa> no ideas nomad, may be use an old pc as a router
[10:50] <`Nomad> it's my thought too, but I have to leave it behind and they're very non-technical..  I wouldn't want to have to come back down here to reboot anything :)
[10:50] <`Nomad> still.. That's probably the best bet.  No HD, just a floppy or CD like Freesco
[10:51] <rafa> nomad, there are many linux distros to do routing and fix in a floppy
[10:51] <libben> rafa: i should be good with removing all that has with printing to do.
[10:51] <rafa> it souldn't be difficult to find one for you
[10:51] <libben> use knoppix =)
[10:52] <libben> is cups crucial to the system? its ok to remove all that printing software?
[10:54] <`Nomad> thanks.. that's what I think I'll end up doing.. a physical router that does that is probably too expensive for them too
[10:55] <rafa> and old 386 would be enough, nomad
[10:56] <rafa> I think you can remove all the printing software without problems
[10:58] <rafa> libben, where I can find more info about the administrators button bug ???
[10:59] <chx> i need to fool tar to chmod , that's --mode , but neither tar --mode 700 cf nor tar cf --mode 700 owrks
[11:01] <rafa> well, I must leave
[11:01] <rafa> see you
[11:02] <chx> what's bus,id,lun for hdc?
[11:04] <chx> oh. scandev. nice cdrdao!
[11:14] <PiRX[lv] > i need prog to create image from web page (complete). Any suggestions?
[11:19] <godzero> would pdf work, or do you want a png....
[11:35] <spiral> hmmm, just a notice : amarok 1.3.2 out... :-P
[11:36] <libben> amarok or kaffeine
[11:37] <spiral> libben: amaroK
[11:37] <libben> amarok only plays music right?
[11:37] <libben> or does it do video also?
[11:37] <spiral> libben: music only
[11:38] <libben> k
[11:38] <libben> then i dont need to stress it
[11:38] <libben> just listen to shoutcasts servers anyway, and thats thru my xbox with xbmc
[11:49] <othernoob> could a firmware update of a dvd burner done in windows cause speed problems in linux?
[11:52] <MrFaber> Has anyone problems with the new breezy update?
[11:53] <bazan>  Hi my cups is down
[11:53] <bazan> i mean i can't view the admin web page
[11:53] <bazan> I'm under hoary is this a known issue?
[11:58] <MrFaber> cu all